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NEAL MCDONOUGH Becoming the Bad Guy for his Faith & Family

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

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NEAL MCDONOUGH Becoming the Bad Guy for his Faith & Family

"You're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum. I hope you're enjoying your week ryan. It's always a pleasure to see my friend. Hello can see to like my energy is down but then you don't wanna be all high strung on these things when people listening on the road and it's easy going. It's easy to listen to. How are you. Don't want to hear that joe comforting. You wanna comforting. All announcer should talk like this ryan should be gentle inside of you gently inside of you. I appreciate all the fan mail. I appreciate all the well wishes You guys great all my patrons. I love you. You know that if you want to support the podcast in more than one way go patriots dot com slash inside of you a right a little message to you. It's awesome there's lots of perks. Some people get boxes for me every couple months. And there's just tons of stuff. Check it out. Patriot dot com slash inside and also. We're going to get right into the interview but If you want follow us if you're listening for neal mcdonough. I love for you to follow the podcast on the social and subscribe means a lot spread the word Inside of you. Podcast on the instagram and facebook at inside you pod on the twitter and that's how that is and then you can subscribe on youtube. You can watch the whole video or you could listen to your car like some of you are doing right now. Raj i know you're there. I know you're listening. Just a random name. i mean. He's a patron. So i thought michelle. You know what i mean. Isn't crashing ears that yeah. So what the heck no probably just be upset about it And if you wanna shop at the inside of you online store go there. And there's there's tons of stuff lex. Luther autographed pictures. There's you can get small the lunchboxes inside you tumblers t shirts much more. Also my band son. Spend more in the sunshine shirt and go to sun spin dot com. Get shirts book. Zooms with me Lots of other stuff and Yeah that's that's that and great guests. Did you enjoy this one. Yeah it was fun i did. This guy has been in everything like a desperate housewives. Band of brothers minority report flags of our father Walking tall Just i mean everything. He's been in everything and he's always so committed and what a great story. how open he was I'm excited about this one. I think this one's I think people are going to like this one. I hope you like it. I'm sure you'll tell me if you don't. He's also a friend of mine. I play ice hockey with him. He he he and his wife have a wonderful relationship. I love watching them together. The perfect example of the rare example. When a couple just works they work so well together. And i love the love that they share and It It gives me hope. Let's get inside of neal mcdonough. It's my on listening to inside with michael rose by only inside of you with michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of live studio audience. All right so look. We know each other. We we go to these hockey tournament. It's been many years. But i always. I always just loved you and revere your wife and you have this energy together. We see a couple together. And you're like oh that couple that couples gonna make it last couple. You look at you. Don't see that but with each other twenty one years later. Kind of the heater. It's you know we're sitting here last night. You're having dinner We're back here. Candidate or team for awhile. In song comes on the radio in the kids against amaral having dinner Revenge started dense. Rebel kids during during history. Do you gotta sure your kids love and affection nail. This podcast isn't about me. But i never saw that once i never saw my father grabbed my mother and kiss her and i mean maybe i saw him kisser once but like yeah. It was very rare to see them different different times a kiss each other. Suddenly groping a there were affectionate enough in time in age into different time. It's okay to show your feelings and your emotions towards people in. And i think if there's anything good come out of all says latest. You know finding people that you love love snot out. Don't don't stop loving and enjoying because you don't know what's next year was tomorrow. You're you can't worry about what happened yesterday. Reverse what's happening in this mode right now. Just fine the lusk in michael. You've always been that way. Always been about okay. It will be locker room soon. Be you know ten boring You committed in start cracking jokes and make everyone you know light and happy in your amazing you are the love infused Well i think it comes from insecurity. I come into a room and i just feel like i have to say something to do something if they laugh. They like me delight. Serious is very serious consuming levels Shaded up and it's it's it's by the way i hide cast. This is the very first podcast. You're doing very very first. One of honor them on your show where i am honored to and i give credit a lot to the wife. The wi fi revere 'cause revealed that happened in she absolutely if it weren't you your pre private giant. Why is it. why is it. you don't do podcasts. have you not been asked. I'm sure you've been asked. Yeah i never a like. I love acting in love. The mystique of neal mcdonough as actor in that. No one really knows that much about him. But real from this really goofy family guy you know and i kind of i like my private life with with kids as as i put myself out there. You know coach all the kids in their word sort near near for all. Meetings differ whatever. It tasted to make the kids sixteen whenever they can succeed in or be happier. I'm always amal in. But i think he is my job and i generally don't talk about too much colorado well while a by the way we have this new segment call them. How you doing. It's kind of a mental health check and it just how you doing and and it just right now. I know you're quarantining in canada and you've got the family you got five of six of the account and privee seven accounting you seven. You're the brady bunch. But i mean how are you doing are you. Are i mean look. You're happy go lucky guy. But the high feeling so he's been a guy Great relationship with god. That's got airmont. Made i first second or family. I e second you know those kinds of the mantras announced invite so you know through all this you know as horrible horrific As it has been for so many people you know just tragic on personal as economic ways in so many ways. That's been so far as been hard on us too. But overall is giving me phenomenal gift that i got this spending exorbitant amount of time with my wife my kiss you know and we say film. This last year on boone that ran increase to get We didn't spokane which was which was awesome. And the whole family was with us the whole time so literally roundtable We hadn't been with his twenty four seven for a year and we love each other more today than yesterday in. It's it's been such a blessing to get to hang out with them and get to know them because usually Work travelling explore to their layers of. It's been great on one level that spent so much damage other learn. Learn in trying to make each other better. But don't you. Don i mean come on. You gotta have bad days. You gotta have lose your stuff every once in a while you're redacted or humans but you're always trying to be a blessing that intelligent neo that i can just keep down keep pressing stand at a message in my head of trying to find goodness Can be every bit Wow so it's always a driving with andrew to make Beard so like five years ago as young as a good irish guy. I love drink artemije. My everyday thing was always there accessible special hollywood drink in five years ago. Cut it out I can't do this anymore. In for five years i've been sober in. It's been you know the greatest decisions gris decision. I have made of obviously ask him rebate. Mary were you. Were you drinking a lot. Though for someone opposite hollow guy. You're always strict is arnhem irish. Show it definitely became a problem for me. It was a problem that i didn't want my kids to see. I didn't want being being trying to be the best daddy can be. That doesn't fit trying to be the best husband you can be. It doesn't fit and try to be great at work in the last five years worked for me been really just phenomenal from. Just being the bagai. Everything to near the guy in grinnell Doing right murphy's communist Play eisenhower in american horse. Look wow why. I could totally see that. Oh fantastic yes. So you know could learn worth in strange ways Are are moving back to california. Don't know where know what we're gonna do. We get this new shooting the show now this all at fox. It is a great way to come back into los angeles. And i couldn't be happier more blessed that this gift is given to me for above and from ryan murphy. That's amazing stuff. Our meet ryan is going to be i in his way. Is that such a great gift to play someone that i've always looked up to as a centrist when it comes to holidays as eisenhower. You're the things the that guy did your everyone. You're almost ran the democratic But he was amazing. Guide cared so much about humanity and learning so much now unless days when more research. I'm just i'm gobsmack unfortunately Place on the mazing like that is freaking awesome. You know you talk about religion and your devout catholic. And you've been i. Was this something that was instilled on you by your parents and or from from a young age that you just kept with you and it got stronger and stronger. Was that kind of thing. Did you find Had happened now it was. It was aunts. Were you know. Grandma's right across the street from the church. Sap's so i was always at the church or state. All furniture cod. I spent a lot of time. You're going to mass. Every sunday with So mama go early mass My dad go to the name. S your parents. Own their motel owners small motel alp forty room motel on cape cod way. Grow up at lake had coffee shop. You know by is five washing dishes in a restaurant showing rooms and you invite someone's twenty running Second motel in it was a great way wrote Business was really fantastic. Light's ryan but yes while ago. Church with my dad on on sundays at five o'clock and it was always just a bonding time with me and my dad. I always loved time in the basket to do the collections Jones law restaurant which is enhanced. The whole family meet after my brothers and my sister Resonances ailment broken school. I was only. When did so. Emily dealing really still practicing calls. It was interesting. It was more organic Relationship that i that i had when i was in high school. I did this thing. Called echo in a really became close to god Relationship try spire to be air instead of being you know. I just tried to be the best at everything i do. I became very competitive just myself knowing anybody else in relationship to always. Just try yaar. That's got to be tough. That's gotta be tough because in hollywood to be someone who's religious now obviously we talked this ad nauseam and people know about it but like you've gotten like released or couldn't do roles or refuse to do roles based on like you won't do a kissing scene right but some degrade Never wanna do. It got crucified by ten years ago. Where they don't religious zealot that i wouldn't do. Sexiness was really because element whiteboard. Melania craft people couldn't understand Grasp lance guy guy. Because i had to provide for my five kids and a beautiful life and so that's what i am not going and then filing Years ago when i started to executive produce stated is greater which with the space-based football film phenomenon movie and you know that started me on a trend of doing these good guys with this great passed in grappling with their face and now the stone that we just finished called boone is that he's a Fine is laced with god. And it's great that i raid nuggets create from me that i get to write and be in that i don't have to just do you know movies. That are out there that i have to go fight for. Bill lay on movies in in craftsman that way so for me to also have dead ability to to make movies that talk about gun. Talk about how we are flying now. We all make mistakes and how it's how you get up you make mistake not not wallowing in your state. Yeah In in making movies and tv shows like that. If i never make a movie for anyone else against f-. I'm okay with it as long as a making movies. That has doing a great message. I mean you know you talk about that and do you think it was scoundrels right. That was the big thing that scoundrels. You wouldn't do a sexy or something. And then they released you and so you saying after that it was. It was a very difficult time in your life for work. I mean where you or you only get back. Two years of me getting a job and losing to hang up park in Everything begging from this guy who would ask to borrow money from anyone at rather just myself so basically everything And then you know. I've told the story before that a a great you know. Go to church every day. You always pray trying to figure out what's going on in one day in my house before we sell it. Before foreclose starbucks remember got white. We forgot about me. But by deserve this and suzanne came out of my mouth. Michael i fell to the ground started sobbing and tunas later local. From grandiose bureau at rosenbloom was villain couple episodes justifies. Yes i do. It was kind of a grazing ever happen to the installing ways. Because i fell in love acting again because i had something to prove to everyone that diana ray actor in that. You're a person you wanna have under set and after the very first shake of the first seen grant you under the all year. Don't chapman yet. I do and i was because now awards and attention came in all of a sudden would start forgetting about the other stuff in the last ten years of work has been coming up here in vancouver with all the shows so much to greg berlanti for for for our flash legends ryan stone came. That suits is other shows movies today. Just been. it's just been a phenomenal phenomenal couple of years I couldn't be happier inside of you is brought to you by better help. Better help online therapy. I can't tell you how much this works. It's obvious they're still in my sponsor i love them. Ryan uses them. 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Don't 'cause you you've played it so many times. It's not that i really like play guys more leg us guys who were human guys guys. Trying to the right set in right. Visit the guys that that that. I've always gravitate towards always love your john wayne movies. Hours loved Clint eastwood Simple messages of this guy's flawed today. He's gonna be the Is gonna to get the job done however he has to do. He's going to get the job done and love those guts Might add or my family growing up your job the guys Play villains. yeah fun absolutely I am you know to to have that kind of fun in you can ever made a bad choice. As long as you believe you can raise Smallish on his bill. No one ever gives you those guys get notes. That's for sure for me. I can still fifty is in a scene that you'll ra- laughing going back home and school but if it as a great guy with the hardened sleep Plane suit last years. It's hard slow those guys Go back to you. Know by continent bend brothers or you know. White cane intimidate. Those are the guys that i played at really hard for me to shake off because i had Into me and pull out more of the real gun at a play those characters instead of playing dadar which was a blast. Get your wrong and ahead a phenomenal time playing gaming darker all these years In look forward. Play again. But i do love a good guys because they get to learn more about me appreciate what i have is morgan. Little book is that the is bigger than me. No is fifteen six foot one is just as great all kid. You're really well Just the most incredible mother Julie will school really well for its last year as a freshman data gateway this award citizen of the year in high school in your mortgage because he got all as canada's team that has the principal notes is what he does with the developmentally disabled kids. When you didn't know this. I didn't know any wants every morning case. The kids does it room or autism in walks Cap tears lunch. And how old in fourteen time when a freshman great of your So asa Cool kid so is that you know. I don't wanna see these kids get laugh as to lynch that just makes me want wanna tear up right there. I just felt it like right when you said that and that i gotta tie. That's good parenting. I mean you know things like that. It's it'll we try to infuse in. We're talking about god a lot about your relationship with god in life and how you can strive to be the best you can be at whatever you do is try to do the right thing. When blunt contests the bravery were the you know the In indiana do the right thing in in that kid is your and now that permits to all of our leykis know our kids are. They're all dynamite in their own different ways and still blessed to as our kids begin to know that so well last year. There's been less k. I love it. You just did a A june sixth Zoom with hundred people from band of brothers who was on that zoom with you. Anybody famous funny done it was in a obata was on their fragile art tranquil advisor in a bunch of the cast and it was basically mostly is kind tuning in again. You know i don't. This is the first time i've done in kind of zoom Brothers and it was awesome. Matthew put this whole thing together into talk about braver these guys you know. Enron was part of. Eta brothers learned so much because we got to learn from from a generation. That didn't complain. Here's your late. Isn't trees plus going into normandy for a day or two with elaine bag is probably gonna get blown off your light that is of course if you survive the landon in either for almost two months without chem scrounge for food spreads for weapons You know these guys. Learn thomas at a young age and i it permeated through us light crazy. I remember we were talking about the other day but four or five days in boot camp. It was almost like a mutiny because being a sub so bad which you know joy Really enjoyed that. I started the army. So i i love. I love yoga. The i enjoy. I really do it so did you see other guys cry. Did anybody get just a lot of the english. Rises could cause a pro so pro-american Has a lot of english. Guys is the sweetest nicest guys link. What is what are we. Sign up for tom. Hanks game in a helicopter with his castaway beard and hair in the speech as to why we go into the men easy company to work our butts off to tell the truth because they died for us. And we're not for them. We wouldn't be speaking english from now. We wouldn't be america all right now. We wouldn't be the great country that became more enough for these men gave their lives for us. Mike laughter that which is like you sir. Was he emotional was he. Emotional during that speech is meant. Mental world wasn't just because it was show in the cruiser writers record it he he tanks different from from. But everyone else. I've ever met because it because it was the right thing. He flew all the way from hawaii. Just for a twenty minute speech and then flew right back. Who does that. You know you video conference or something where Note tommy's listless gonna blame fly over there entitled boys Make sure they're on the right track after that. We toured up because we knew we ordered to these guys. Get everything for our free. What was the worst day that you can remember that you were just physically mentally done more so than you've ever been there had to be Was a winter's day. I would assume yet no with the hardest for me always knowing my territory is going to have a mental breakdown. A greatest acting lesson here when series adversity atlanta in london greatest schools theoretical place. Pure method actor crazy in about two months into dating rebate. We met in the first day of the town. She's looking My sergeant you've a light. Work punctured carded clocking. Done working workers as in work in your life. That method actor live my character. Twenty four seven news. Let's listen to. Those are the two loneliest days i've ever had volume back to rebalance you get laid to live life boards carrigan after that you know since it might It helps so much with acting. I couldn't explain to you at nafta open up to life to really denigrate vessel for whoever is giving us the dialogue. So you're able to turn off like you're able to turn off now. You're not up between tastes. I figured out a way to really to do that. Because you know the gift that related. When i'm working i'm working but when i'm when not Challenge in in such the worst thing doing knowing that my heart is gonna break down when you're near the end when by conference starters Thou that was by far the hardest thing that probably had to do as Spending so much time with these guys knowing what went through And see is friends is blown up in front of a meta fox. Drama helmet was just. It was headed to promotion from several months of knowing moments. Coming in what came out of it was unscripted ingest raw in Choosing canvas and i love is shooting my soul on kant's now as that was one of my best you know emphasizes let it all out there because you know i i to to buchan in his family into everyone to make sure that i did it. Right i think it was such a blessing. Do you like direction. Do you like a director comes up to you and tells you first of all. I hate direction on the first take. Let me do it. I take before you give me any notes here. Let's let's let let me get into this a little bit but is it something that you you you welcome it. You enjoy it you or something that just you know always rubs you the wrong way usually like faulk here. We go again. Well that was. You know played so many years in sports that i treated. I take like it's game day. So i get repaired for things you know. I don't mind i backwards and forwards upside down. Everything idea jimmy stewart Was kid just memorize your lines over and over and over and over again saying it of intruder that so for me. I is always my best. Take so always really prepared. And i come with such choices beforehand. You kind of say okay. what are you feeling for. What's your take on. This will take their information is over direction and in the back of my head and work with it. So i don't generally get a lot of direction because i'm so care you know. Tv you don't have a lot of direction anyone is getting Move what we get twelve. Eighty dago so you better be prepared when it when it comes to feature films directors had a little more time can kind of tweak in get will nuances such so i do late or when you're good records have good ideas. I don't particularly like when bad reconcile got roms a thank you and try and try to make them trying to make an attitude. Everybody gets team player right. I i definitely prefer direction. I mean have have you ever had it where you have this direction and you're so set on what you wanna do and it's like a one eighty and this guy's asking you to do things that you're like i and it's frustrating and you like how do you deal with that. Have you dealt with that in my earlier years would come in with. This is going to do in. Wouldn't take into consideration when everyone else is doing. You know. then that will be hard Learn quick to this isn't about me. it's a team. Sport acting to me is ready team for so for me. It's it's being as malleable as as possible. Big piece of clay just memorized my dialogue intake in with the director. So if you come in so set as this is your game l. Aline going to fight really watch which david see it field unchanged Cutting it through in. That's kind of atkin for me at a winless listed the game plan. If this is exactly what i'm gonna do. The director wants something exactly different That's not gonna work right so it it. It's producing now because it long enough. Doing one hundred thirty movies and tv shows out. Oh tattoos now this. I just celebrated by fifty deaths in a move guide fifty three times. Eight prejudge day. Clueless early leading wasn't good. Solid death seemed jesusa. It somebody needs to do a compilation of that and show all your death scenes in order. That would be good isn't it. Wouldn't that be great. Really be right. What's your best death your favorite that same. But you're in be stabbed to death in the chesler. Hawkins ready to is just a blast. Because i was pretty great. deaths scenes So many good ones Dine ravenous died in rabat's rabbits yet. I got eaten in revenue out screen. Fun hung upside down. And kill me and dr Land skewer in this flavius sums of the best in that movie you in carlisle. Let like that. There is is one Method that shooting in begins avakian Take my hotel room on the floor late soldier in run obscene amounts of miles Water mains cle- Ostra phobic so figuring that character had overcome. His fears are abyss. I was nuts. Ice cold baths every day disapprove. Chai fire was brazilian. Pushups in ways. now Thing but different. It's i wrote as human being. I think you know even after doing all this activists years i feel like i'm just scratching at now really starting understand. Oh that's the new ones. That i was looking for years ago. There was smart enough confidence now after doing with so many evil enforce people. You know it's it's it's a lot easier for me now to be able to really act weller in again so much for when you have lifelock vein. Five kids in a great life is tons of things you so by having a bay also life did certainly for serve you. You do what i do you. You say you said it a couple times where. You're not that smart. which is bullshit. I say that my listeners always stop saying you're not smart. Stop doing that to yourself. It stems from childhood and not thinking it was smart enough. People me about smarter so i say it. I think i'm an idiot. I just think everybody's different different caliber of smart street smart whatever. Obviously you're smart intelligent guy. I mean you couldn't be doing the things you're doing ryan. I always really good. Yeah you can go to the great universities in the world. Is this the only smart. You'll remain in college. Is by far the scores. Spur certainly the most streetwise savvy. Person that i know and she can ask people things that you didn't have balls to even think about asking and she has done and Such a great career like that has a great career as artery is so phenomenal. And she craning. She's like dude. When you moved needle forward you know so you always having that in. My quarter is is immeasurable. 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You really when you hear about these actors who just love acting are you. Do you really truly just love it. You wanna act every day. If you could not every day for certain you know when i do play villains on. Tv less six years Two days a week. And you know the cushy our doctors against that have a life. You know if you're the i've been lead guy in tv shows before that's brutal is so gillers arts. Do your fourteen hours a day travelling. Aaron vacuum air makeup of your sixteen seventeen hours a day for nine months of the year And you don't really get to act or enjoy it so much now with detective. So types of orders is so much more refreshing in writing. It's better shows a better. I faced you right now. We're in that you're in a perfect time for for acting that of stuff out there Yet i'm blessed. I get were asked were a ton but as i love being in front of the camera. It's is my favorite team sport getting in front of that camera in creating something really terrific. And it's for me it's only really adds in Ever saying the bunce's more mcdonagh. I just noticed lead to here. Yeah so Yet long keep working as something. You can't I'm not good a lot of things or my catchphrases but man and you know it's a works. You don't get irony because i'm really good at what i do it on a set in you know i. I love doing what i do. Elston aloma with kids. That shows onset. I would enjoy acting more if it just didn't take as long like these. Tv shows there's like all of a sudden four hours on one scene. And when i was younger i would do it. I would play around but now you get to be in your forty. You almost fifteen like these. It's it's a lot of work of doing the same redundancies europe. The biggest shows of all time playing The village of alta. What was that like. i mean it was. I wasn't the lead. So even though i had to shave my head and work you know three or four days a week and there were long hours. But i wasn't working five six days a week. Fourteen hours like you were talking about like tom was tom had that was. That was a handful. That was not easy. But you know when you talk about committing playing that villain it was. It did weigh on me though. It did weigh on me. Because i felt like i was always just intense. I was trying. I would try when the cameras stopped. I would make jokes and laugh and far but like a had to because it was just so intense especially some seasons where i had to flip out but look i i think for me. I did acting because you know. I was accepted. I think that people as a young. When i was in high school. No one knew who i was. No one cared. Who i was and then i did a play and all of a sudden people like oh. You're pretty good at that. And then i was like oh hell i guess i should just do that and i told the story but it's it's true and then i just started doing it because oh you're good at it and people like when you do that but i never thought for a second do you how much i enjoyed it and i. I enjoyed it for a time. And i think i will again. But i'm definitely not so eager like i used to be like i gotta work. I gotta do this. I think and i'm very lucky in a lot of ways and i'm very grateful but also you know i'm always curious to see you know how much actress really love acting. That's just their passion or they do it because it's a paycheck or so i don't know it gets a little convoluted says for the wrong reasons you have yet to do until my kids or rachel's don't play a sport because you think that's going to be your key to getting a scholarship for college mortgage loveland sport in the best you can be. It's simple but you a practice time again for work hard towards the one great so for me. I love a literally loves being in front of the camera in creating something. Different of your play relies do. It's the play that everybody does see if you name it as an all's closed greece rich i played this guy. I played this guy. Vince fontaine he was just the wacky. Dj came to goes. Hey i'm the main brain vince. Fontaine spin the stacks of wax here at the house of wax. wfan cruising time. Ten twenty six sharpshooters. And i did this us. And i remember. Oh yeah and for the first time. I i remember i was terrified. I mean tariff to the point where they had this little w asx box dj box on the second floor of the stage and the director said michael. We need to see you. Because i was hiding behind this. You could just hear me as we need to see your face. We need to see your face. Keep moving keep moving. I was so scared to be seen and it wasn't until that play ended. And i walked out. I wasn't the lead role. I wasn't a big role and the applause. You hear a difference in applause. And i was listening. I was like wait a minute. They just applauded lot loud louder loudly. Whatever for me and they just went nuts. And i it felt. It had a feeling that. I never had a had before. Where hey you're good at something. That was the first time. I thought and that that's how i became. An actor is really. Because i think they would move me off the stage. Or i don't know if i was okay or i needed to be great in that moment to then become an actor. I had to be great. I think in that moment in order to keep doing it and having the confidence to keep doing it was. When i was in high school it was a totally kids. I Confined was my brother My horses from freshman year he was. This is crazy. Smart guy in my. I was failing my freshman year. My schooling at didn't make team in didn't make the baseball team as what is going on with my life and their addition four Snooping guman charlie brown in wednesday edition my mom practice with me at home and when finishing nailed it in the directors who kneeling firmly from from here my s. Ooh wherever seeing any placing ya'll to say the same thing. I tried the first second third fourth fifth. Sixth eighth grade plays. And i got nothing in finally yuma freshman year. I get this in my opening night. I of After that everything in my life change is because of theater that all of a sudden i started building that confidence yet and before you know it was you know back on the sports teams class president class clown all of these things. You listen to an alibi. George carlin unity among Anything in life it starch. Ud coming the class clown. And i took that to heart. And you know i've became the class clown when i go into hollywood they need. I turn into very dramatic actor. became creator because those always goofy guy but if warning we're similar we had that that rush at fourteen years. Old of complete acceptance rate year is a good phenomenon. Keep doing this and after that it was just it was the only job of really analyzes is entertaining people. Yeah i think the stars have to align. I think they did in a lot of ways of sounds for you. I mean for me. Even when i went to college i was still terrified and in these look variety listening acting classes in the green rooms where the actress hang out. They are the most intimidating effing rooms that you could be in. They all are like. Oh he sucks. I'm better than him. And they had this look on their faces. Like they're just olivier. And i'm just going guys trying to befriend everybody making jokes like didn't locker room like you were talking about earlier and then i remember. Just finally you know in class. I was i was i did something. And an actor comes up to hand directing this play and my actor just fell off. What will you do it. And i was like. I don't know if i even want to become an actor. Really but he he just says you please do it and i said yes and it was prelude to a kiss and it was the role of her father and again scared to death but then i heard that applause again and that something rang my brain. That said okay dude down. This is obvious you have to do this. Which way to push wasn't a like my father. I remember taking us out the denny's he was a fancy guy. We liked denny's. And i. I wanna be an actor. I was a sophomore in college and he goes. Eat your steak. I'll never forget that because your stick. He didn't wanna talk about that. It was like he works for pharmaceutical plant. He busted his ass. He's never missed a day of work. He worked hard. he worked. You know and you want to be an actor. You're going to college to become f- an actor and so you know. I didn't get that immediate support. I don't think they. I proved myself and prove to them and i was good enough so i think you're always doing that right. You're always trying to prove to everybody. That you're good is once in life. You only have to prove to yourself that you get freedom you once you you know any size. You played a game of state pool somewhere and you get nervous because he think they're better than you. You're gonna lose that game once uses give over to Presiding compete with myself and be the best kneeling then. Competition is at the window and then you can really zone in on being the best actually handy. You can't be if you are taking on people in consideration for competition and a hard lesson to learn going to audition rooms Fresh accurate both the all. These name faces in the one. Even doing your you've already lost. You know so. It's once you realize how unique in austin you are that god creating only one me or when you don't care so much into immune doesn't go your way you don't take a so brutally at times you know in your way you don't get over excited you know so you'll get your roger federal playing tennis when he wins. It's me Office when he loses okay I'll try to figure out you got an excellent. Those athletes are the ones. I always love watching because it's not overly emotional The they get their job done end home kissed wife in. That's kind of how. I run my rear at least the last one win. So you never. You've gotten over that whole thing of doubting or oh my god this guy's better this year. Not you've been done with that for years you go in and you do your job and you know what you're gonna do and there's no fear there's no sort of worrying about can i. Can i do this when you get a role or no. No never never been guy always really look. I know god gave me this great talent. I'm not gonna waste it. So when it comes to entertaining i know how to entertain know-how be in front of the camera to get most of other actors out scene veteran. Yup it's always. I'm always been really good at and when you play with better players you're gain gets lifted Play with Use the crap worries if it were in as always gonna stuck in brandon. When when you play with better players you game goes up is so. I love playing with great players It's been you know. I've been blessed to be able to work with some of the greatest actors and directors in hollywood. It's it's erasing reviews. You got read a book staying just famous enough because you can. You can travel everywhere. Everyone knows your face. You know everyone says i but but you don't cameras stuck up your backside were you go. Yeah because i love acting graded what i do but you know it's it in my life is so much more important than than just acting in a Bring up these five kids. That's aspera for day. That's beautiful you know. Ryan was ryan. My engineer editor was just talking before this. he's like. He was an angels in america. The outfield angels in the outfield. It's totally different thing. Angels yeah because angel's in the field. But like i was and he was like there's so many names you here. Here's the here's so my mom. Just ask the way it just devastated back in. Nineteen ninety-three back Doing this i just got into hollywood to miniseries Starting a Devastated and then. I came out to hollywood because they're edition or the is funny Eisenhower's favorite all time. Is your original angels. Feel to their nice. So addition for Ask throws pitch director Play college baseball. Acas line Really corky in in different in such in grain or depart human conference so during a boot camp and kearney lance bernales pro guys you know after a couple of days taking week off and do whatever you want to get to work these guys for baseball baseball her late so i went back to my hotel room in every day. Our look in the mirror. Trying to figure out goofiest things just character and so i came up with the idea of the director anders tens of thousands of fans in the stadium in oakland as i shot i found the Of eight movie. You follow me with the camera. Commute from Prefers something going into the med. It looks like nine heads glint. Distrust is great idea to work in total last week. Go dear less zoll said okay care and work thing sliding in might mind room so i run in from space sliding into the pitchers mound circle amount. A few times grabbed the rosin bag. Us crazy stuff. I catch and place when bunkers just loss in bills You want your Instead of working views on is this what that had had. Since i was a kid. My mom instilled in me is knowing like union is no eleven as a kid. I had dyslexia list all these impediments against me to have this confidence that my mom is still in me. You know was amazing. And then you know thousand. I finally had someone woman in my mind corner again in. Still infusing that confidence in me in just kept going. But i've been blessed offence to women mentors always privy to be in that i have is dumb confidence and i can get serve. Thousands of people speak in. You know endure these things because that's the message What stand for is is you know. It's i guess it's kinda unique in it's me and have you ever had a director call you like spielberg or anybody like that. Just you just nodded your head. Spielberg called you. Best call stephen over me was We just done pilot You're just invented rudders A minority report And you're supposed to be jimmy. Smith was supposed to play this hispanic. The lover type guy on a dropped on our students said what about and It nick Addition forgot part in pilot. Great authorship enr in montreal. Doing timeline in still didn't didn't have a lot. Money and rain i wins is really high. End driller store looking at wedding rings and she saw one and this one was never given for this limited women. Hey shocking for rain for a by one texas. Because boone terms got picked up for full season. Okay thank you buying what he called you in. That was it. The is that might be for for a month or two years. A little lame iceland. Make sure when he's coming in but this is the For any did a if it weren't for students spielberg might gosh. I certainly not. You're talking you right now because you giving a guy you know. Basically stopped acting in the late nineties. Ninety nine degree well. A career wasn't really really taking off yet. Ten years now unit and fun unscom into your local theater in boston or whatever but oklahoma. Run the motel with Might my dad inch in. We'll do that. And i got a call. A friend of mine steven spielberg is looking for. Reasons really edition win tuesday. I got a one way. Ticket is not good not going to get one way to six hundred ninety three dollars. That's all slept by winning. Edition ford in when Addition fifteen people in the room but at this point i had no fear whatsoever. Does if it didn't work con good in Readings almost handed reaches up tom. Hanks what is going on here. In after ten seconds he diffused any tension and the dish in in afghanistan. He says you know that you crush that yet When back tomorrow Great gimmick next day river Slept on my buddies Closet floor for three months waiting for the final callback in got phone. Call back in the. I got the part I might add dad. Got any brothers. i i got to london bay and because of that happened Other great stephen stories At the better brothers at the golden globes. We just wanted to local best mini series. We try to get into trading vix vein Run his guys in the security guys. Early no is certain. Wrote up area that were just all huge celebrities. And they were having none of us in stephen sovereign day-night and you want to cross in grabbed me Wrote this committee Filming it was it was a great night As hard her hand. Like i literally thought to grow every trying to be like steven pinker. Yes as meanwhile inside him just like fireworks skull bonkers in style or via. I would be an idiot me. I'd like what are you kidding. Hell yeah i would pronon you know other flights for father's Morals in your missile He loves you. Wow the have steven spielberg in your corner. All right is he was. he's been certainly a mentor to me in phenomenal mike Ever say thank students still given the opportunity With but the Ever since student concurred requirements as Keeps given every day right. This is called this. Is it this is called rapid fire with Ap sorry this is called shit talking with neal mcdonough. This is a rapid fire. So you just answer fast. These are from patrons you want to join patriot. Please do patriot dot com slash inside you. It's a fun family here. We go leeann p. You've been in many tv series over the years and played many roles. Are there any roles or genres that you refuse to portray are acting lauren. W you're such a nice guy in real life. What is the most fun. Bad guy you have ever played was a blast. Because i got to do it opposite wayne. Such greater but one of my favorite scenes of all time was last seen where he takes a the would in smashes Trees williams a hard time coming up with better instead of look on his face. The direct signal emotional emotional get emotional cameras on. My face is right here. The cameras writers read motion motion olympic igor to the craft service table. Four or five Conference it before. Five packets ketchup squeeze minimus directors representative do yells action and he smashed my legs in Blood all over his face which is catching look joins face. I thought he was literally going to kill me and he swung so hard rubber mallet the inaccurate. I felt the floor. Laughing is derek's because i it works. I got him but it was to play to be into that kind of arrogant played the in type into it and also to help another actor to to get a best that he can possibly be was whether it was legal. Goals atlanta play. A lot of it's hard to beat out your yellow. I got to go opposite. 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This Is Us Chris Sullivan: Pre Grieving & Gratitude

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

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This Is Us Chris Sullivan: Pre Grieving & Gratitude

"You're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum If you're watching. And i tend to look shittier than normal if you're listening. I sound shittier. The normal it's because i got coverted. That's right folks i I was vaccinated. And i still got kobe but let me. Let me tell you about the discrepancy. There's this notion that wait a minute. You get vaccinated. You shouldn't get that's not. That's not how it goes. It's it's it cuts down the severity. So if you get vaccinated and you get sick. You co vid. You won't have to go to the hospital. You won't have worse problems as you would if he weren't vaccinated so i'm saying is that it was shit. Dude it was it was a tough week. and Yeah i got it somehow. I got it and I'm doing better. So thank you for all the messages It is no fun. All i can tell you is please. Please get vaccinated. I don't i don't care what your theories are. i don't care what you believe. I got covert. And i'm telling you get vaccinated. That's all. I'm going to talk to you about that. You could do what you want all right but it is fucking brutal. Great guest today mister. Chris avin very excited about cristovao. Misses us gardens of galaxy. United a show A year ago. A podcast together and It's it's so great. Having him back. And i think you're going to really enjoy yet a baby so much fun to talk about. So let's do that and Hey i couldn't do the stage at this last weekend. Because i was sick. But this coming. Saturday robin i will be doing a stage. It we will be doing our state it just to stage at dot com are banned son. Spin will be playing two shows two pm six. Pm pacific standard. Time very excited about that. Sorry we had to cancel for a week. But i had I just felt like shit. So stick around lot lots to talk about after the show. But why don't we just jump into. Let's get inside of chris sullivan. It's my listening to you. Inside of you with michael rose by Inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded. In front of a live studio audience again. A little teary eyed. When you walked in just forgot how much i liked you. Yeah seriously because we're pretty comfortable isolating. Yes and a lot of times for me. I'm like it's just as easy for me to back. You know an artist stay home. I'm just gonna stay home. I know and at least you but you have a wife and a kid so you have reason to do so reason but also excuse. Oh do so you know what i mean. Excuse no but it can't the summit somebody said you know when you have a kid You eat you tend to miss out on some things that you wanna do but you also have an excuse to not do all those things you don't wanna do can't do it. Man the kid. I have to stay home Immediately understand that and you compound that with the last year's global pandemic did you hear about this aisle. I heard about that And rachel and i would never have to leave home ever again which has been really. You know the it's been nice and it's also it's good to get a call from you and say hey come visit and then to be like absolutely. That's exactly what i wanna do. So you need that so well. The first the i i wanna say is we have a segment called know mental health check and called. How you doing. Perfect perfectly jingle. Common here comes And it's just kind of like how how are. How are you feeling at this moment. How you feeling in the last week. I mean 'cause i know we go through anxiety and we deal with a lot of stuff. You've got a lot of things comply. Yeah aisling up here. Yeah i feel great really. Yeah i'm so. Glad to hear that. Because i thought you know that because there's so much i wanna talk to you about that on the way over here. I had one question for you. Is you know it's been a year since we've seen each other. It has been almost exactly one year. It's just too much and i feel bad about that. I feel terrible about that. What are we going to do. Well i guess you. This is the thing that we were. We were the world. Put us in that position. And that's and that's the way it is. But mike the one thing i want to know from us what you've learned in the last year. What have what have you learned in the last year. We don't have to get into a right now. I'm just saying like this is what i was wondering as i was driving. I bet i bet. Michael has learned some incredible things in this last year. I have i mean. Look when you're forced to be by yourself and you know with the exception of you know another person that i would hang out with who we an album together which kept me going some kind of like incentive to get out of bed some kind of but you need more than that so i made an album and That was really exciting. Kept me busy but like not being able to help people not being able to see people for the most part You know in everybody dealt with this and a lot of people death and sickness. And all this and i dealt with some death. I mean you know my grandfather died right before the pandemic and my sister passed away last fall in the my dog just died so i've had some things godman but i didn't know what you know. What's weird is i. don't really share it too much. I mean. I share on the podcasts. A little bit. But surprisingly i'm sort of i was scared. How i dealt with it. Because i dealt with it pretty well and I don't know if it's medication. I don't know what it is. But like i don't know if it's you know. My sister was sick for a long time. So i think i was morning her throughout the years. My grandfather had alzheimer's freer so morning. Him over the years sure dog was sick for a long time. It wasn't a sudden death. And i think that i dealt with it good but i still sometimes really wanna cry and i feel like i don't cry enough. I really wanna get it out and I did this breathing. Exercises woman came over the other day and it was breath work and i hadn't done it as these things where it's like. Oh yeah and i'm like. Oh my gosh listening. We're gonna do this for eighteen minutes straight. I go your fuck off. I cannot do this rating and my hands nominee because this is all normal and then all of a sudden i start getting emotional and it was really weird and i think it helped me so i said i wanna see you again. It was a friend's wife. And yeah. yeah yeah she came over. But it's those things that i think i need to do. That would sort of connect myself to the things to loss to the things that have dealt with. And i think because if you just bottle it up i feel like you need some release. Grief is a very interesting topic in our in american culture. we don't Value it the same way other cultures. Do we don't Put an importance on grieving the way a lot of Other cultures do and it leaves a lot of us feeling like what. You're talk feeling that that that that feeling of i've skipped a step here. Ill what's going on. I've missed something. There's an important part of this process. That i haven't i haven't gone that's it and and it'll come. Have you dealt with a lot of death. I haven't you. Haven't you have your mother and father and my one grand grandparent. Until i was one grandparent left when i was born. They all passed before i was born. And wow and so. I've only dealt with the passing of one grandparent. I've dealt with a lot of death in the last year. You know as far as people passing from cova but nothing immediate in my wife. Does that scare you because it scares me when you know home guy. If i can't imagine losing my you know. And i'm not incredibly close. I love my parents. But like i would go. I would go nuts. If i lost any sibling or any family member. And that's like. I'm getting to the age where it's like it starts to happen. You hear people die in their fifties six years in a lot of my contemporary of practice in my meditation or my prayer. I actually do imagine that. I spend time imagining what it will be like. Or what it would be laws. Grieving pre grieving but also front loading my gratitude in front loading my My approach to the relationship with these people. You know if i've spent enough time wondering what my life would be like without my mother. My father my wife. My son which i have her. Yes spent very little time delving into that. But you know we recently learned of somebody who had lost their son and to to to imagine that and to to grieve in a way Improves my life. so much. because. I because i when i see this person my heart is just when i see you. You know to go a year without seeing you and then to see you know the gratitude rushes back in. I opened the front door. And i hear you upstairs playing guitar and singing and i'm like i didn't even know you're here. Well i the door was unlocked. I you're always welcome to walk him. But i didn't mind guitar and i was just feeling in my heart. Just my heart leapt for you. My friends we will get together before we did. Our podcast together and we play music. We'd play a song play song and it's a beautiful thing so that's how i'm doing. I'm doing all right. it's been it's been a template of year it's been It has been a good year because rachel we started the pandemic on vacation. We were literally application. Had to come home. Rachel was six months pregnant. We spent the last three months of pregnancy and quarantine. We spent the first six months of of three or four months of bears. Life and quarantine that i went back to work on. This is us and and we managed to navigate an entire season of television with with nobody getting sick in our cast. Store was. I mean statistically incredible And so it's been it's been a real like we re rachel and i've really had to turn towards each other because every time we turn around there we are like okay. So what are we gonna do with this time. And how are we going to. How are we going to push through. Maybe some of the sticking points you know the of our of our relationship and it's been it's been really really fucking hard. Yeah and and really beneficial. I'm shocked it. It's not that. I was hoping come in here and you'd say come off but i thought you know i know chris and you know he gets anxiety he deals with. He has this. He has an anxiousness that i have and he deals with certain demons and Then i will add into the equation. A new baby boy and add equation. The show. this is us just was cancelled not cancelled. It's always been that's been saying. Cancel but it just has. It's just a season six's always so next year. This the right. The next season will be the last season and that is where dan fogelman has always wanted to end. So you always knew. This show is going end after six seasons. Yeah yeah i mean. I don't know if i believe you know we've all he says that but as a creator you can only go so far because the studio my jump in and say no. We want another season. Oh so you probably were thinking. We're gonna get another we want we. Maybe we were hoping maybe we were hoping right. Or maybe i thought it was the greatest negotiating tactic of all time on dance. Part for you know at season three being like no no. I wanted to suggest jet. I might try No no because he's told us the ending of the show. We know the you know the end. We know how ending do people die. I mean everyone dies. Michael does it. Ambiguous answer well. I mean but that's the kind of the point of of the show is it goes back and forth in time to show you a time before people are born and a time after people are dead and the fact that the world continues and these relationships continue And i know this. We've already shot scenes from the final episode. Did you cry. I wasn't part of them. But we the production has has captured scenes for the final episode. Did people cry people. Cry people people cry. People always cry. It's cry you. You're not done filming. No we have a whole. We have a whole nother season. Another season. shoot yet to shoot. Oh fuck then. that's not. that's not cancelation. that's a whole season ago here. That's what i mean. Bethany land how many episodes eighteen more to go eighteen more to go. Do you already start thinking about your next job. You know what i do. Yes i there are things. I'm i'm trying to put into the lineup for a year and a half from now But as you know that that is always a guessing game But i do know this. I've never been sentimental for the ending of things. Because i it doesn't it doesn't ever feel like an ending doesn't like the ending of our podcast. Okay this only means that that that things were about to evolve right to something bigger and we'll work together in some were. This podcast room is now a full blown production studio and your podcast went to the next level. And obviously i had a child and and I've been that way since high school. you know. The theater production ends and all the kids gather round the cry. And they're so. Don't get like that. I don't i don't i don't know why i it's not it's not i i don't like i always want things to end. My thing is. I want things to end. Which is not a good thing right. Good things happen to me. And i'm like pau was it's the whole actor thing. I just want a job. I wanna job. I have a job window. Have off one off the shogun and okay. We've done it. And i always feel like i think it was with my add. It's like it's like after. I do a pilot episode. Oh my god that was great. I'm good or i know you have a whole season left right really. There's a creative side of of of what we do. Obviously and then there's a business side right and you and i are It's hard for a lot of people are like. I am product right. I am what i am selling to to a tv. Show to a movie to whatever. I i say to a production. Here's the value. I bring to to your product right then. That creative work is something that happens kind of in another section of my brain but for this wonderful thing like this is us to happen to the cast into the creators into myself in order for it to mean anything it has to end like in order for it to for in order for me to take this wonderful occurrence in my life out into the world and parlay it into more creative collaboration and more Creative challenge it has to end. That's a very positive ryan. Put the microphone. Your mouth for god's sakes down one of those good. What do you think about that. I think it's great. I mean cheese. I'm really thought about it like that. Do you think like like you. Everything has to end. Do you have a healthy attitude like that or you have the appropriate. I don't want this to end all be devastated. If it ends. I need this to continue Having a sense of finality is definitely preferred for me. Because then. Because i like having things done so then i can move onto the next thing so that it is not just sort of hanging there and then you sort of know. Okay that thing is done and now it's an ex Applies to work for me. yeah just like just like i need just even day to day activities like i just need to be done so then i can do the next thing and then the next and i can't do the next thing until at first because it is the reality of everything ends right so understanding that is is only beneficial for me. You know. I think the most important thing is and i struggle with this is just enjoying time you have before and is the beginning and then there's enjoyment and then there's the end and then it's it's sort of like god i shitting on the you know my my old therapist who i fired any fire therapist. Yeah okay i remember stood up like he was standing up like he was taking a piss and he goes the one foot in the past. Your right. foot's here in the present and you're pissing on the future. No yet one foot in the past one fit in the future and you're pissing on the present And he had his. You know showing a lot any of these pants down van. That would have been appropriate. I'd say you're although for him. It might have been appropriate because that was kinda got kind of guy who i'm sitting there and he's eating subway sandwich and he's just devouring and he's do you mind if i eat i. It's my our paying a lot of money. He's like. I didn't say that. Yeah sure. easily Over zoom or is l. This was years ago. Let him go after that. You felt like you know this is where too comfortable. he's too i'm uncomfortable. This is not comfortable. You're sitting with the bathroom door open now. Yeah but do you enjoy the moment. Are you going on said every day and enjoying the days i have gotten better at it and had gotten much better at it since bare arrived. Bear your son. Bear sun bear solvent. What's his middle maxwell. Bear maxwell. I was kind of lobbying for maximus but ms to bear bear sullivan. Yeah i think of like this comes to mind and starting linebacker number thirty to bear maxwell hundred six five six five senior from absolutely is he big for his age. He's ten months old and he's wearing eighteen month clothing. So he's he's. He's very large for his age. But the the sinc- since he has arrived all the paradigms have shifted in out. Ns in an instant and it's been very difficult to To realign and to ground myself in the new reality that is everything and that includes my work. And i haven't figured out how to express his yet. I keep talking to people about hoping that each time i talk about it will Coalesce in my brain as a as a co coherent idea. But but i i just don't care about anything else anymore really it's bad and then there's a big something in between and then everything else. There is my relationship with rachel. There is my love for bear. Really doesn't exceed rachel No i don't. I don't that's a tough one. There is a tough one. But i also i think it's important for bear as he grows up to see that to see that my love for rachel is the reason for his existence. You know is. Is this the foundation of everything. But but what i mean is an and when i say i don't care it sounds negative. It's just the importance of these other. Things in my life have fallen away and the the anxiety around showing up for a big scene is gone and what has happened is i can just show up for the big scene really. It's been insane. Michael the that we used to talk about is just not there because bear is the most important thing to you this creature. This thing that you created with rachel and all of a sudden you're telling me this little child brings you so much joy in importance that everything else seems not trivial but just less important thing. I don't know how to explain. It's not that things become trivial. It's not that they're unimportant. It's not that i don't care. 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He's like if families the most important thing in the world. Once you have a family. Mike everything else. Just it doesn't matter your family's the most important thing in my grandma. You would be such a and i think wow and so i've been i went where i i was in those stages where i wanted kit and then i'll stages right you know what the fuck i came to take him myself on the and then i thought you know maybe having a kid would really just. There's that that kid becomes a center of attention. That's your main focus. And maybe that's sort of what you need not to have a kid as a as a test to see. That didn't work. Sorry buddy house go get yourself a beer You know it's not like that. But you know i'm starting to think if i do meet the right person if i had the right thing you know maybe if that works out because you and rachel had a strong bond and you've been through thick infinity you went through. You know you went through ups and downs. That's a relationship and then you get it together and then you have this child and that's that's a great thing and that doesn't always happen usually. It's a lot of times it's an accident or i'm getting older. I need to have a baby and is with the wrong person right. So i don't know i now. It occurs to me that may be. Maybe it could be a good thing for me actually. It's it's it's let's put it this way it. It is a a surefire way. Well that's not even true. It was a surefire way for me to enter the second half of life. You know the first half of life. I spent building up this persona and this ego and this container and now i've entered a section of my life where i figure out what goes in that container what i want to fill it with. What the purposes For for myself what. What type of impact to do. I wanna have on the on the world around me And what type of Values do i want to instill and pass along to this new person who is going to have his own his own path and rezoned struggles in his own pain and his own anxieties And can i can i Die into myself enough can kill my ego enough to get out of the way and and help be an emotional coach or emotional support a mentor pure for this new being now. Look yeah. you're making it sound like look. Obviously this is fantastic. But it'd be kidding yourself not to say it's can't be easy so far it's pretty easy because really well he. He doesn't communicate yet. So the hardest thing i wish i knew juwan. What's the matter. why are you cry when he cries. It's very very brief. Okay you're you're you're one of those who have hit and angel and they have a second damian from the woman of course and he. Let's put it this way. He can't speak yet but he can. He does communicate very well. He he he fusses when he needs something and usually he only needs one of three things. You know food sleep or or or a new set of clothes And that's easy. That that part's easy. So what has been difficult is. Bare requires my constant attention when he's not sleeping even when he's sleeping which means that. Whatever i'm doing you know worrying about the future regretting the past running around busying myself. I'm constantly being brought back to the present moment that ceases. That's that's done that cease it like it like fires you know. Acdc alternate current like okay. Okay here okay can focus on now. I'm immediately brought back to the moment. Is that frustrating. No it well. It wasn't i because i would get. I would get frustrated with myself. I will get impatient. And then i just realized this moment this is a this is all there is is this moment and so bear is just here. Reminding me of that come back. Come back come back. Come back to this moment. Come back to now. Okay yeah take care of that and come back Yeah you can worry for a second. You're you're you're my mind can wander for a minute but there's this child you know and at first it was frustrating and then i just realized where else where else where else could i go. Where else do. I want to be than right here right. You know. that's been a big part of the paradigm shift. Is you know when when you call and you say hey come over to the house. Hang out with stool podcast. I have to think to myself. Is that two hours. That i wanna spend away from bear like the answer was yes. Dancer was the answer is. Is this going to feed feed me in a way that makes it valuable enough to be away from bear. Sure you know. And it's healthy to say you still have to do things you go to work you do this. They're still if you thought for a second. I'm not spending enough time with child. You wouldn't be here. That's right and the the lesson. The lesson that we've i've i learned over the the the pain by you but during the pandemic. I was busier than i'd ever been right at home. You know because everybody knew you're at home right. You're not going anywhere. I know you don't have anything to do. So would you mind hosting this virtual gala for my charity. Like you know what i mean. And of course i want to engage the world. I wanna be helpful. I wanted to be of service. But i was saying yes to everything really. Yeah and and i realized jura good guy. Yes most i mean more a good guy you you you try to be but what i did realize is that i. Sometimes i was doing things that were outside of my Sorry jason sorry jason for his. Yeah does elbowed jason in the face. Yes Get rid of this ship away. If i had a child these days i keep the seat. Not we've talked about the. They're valuable lessons and horror movies. Yeah the i was committing to things that i didn't have the energy for and so by the time i was i was doing them. I was already resenting them and that's not that's not the way i should move through this world. Where and if. I have committed something i need to get my head on straight and take care of my own resentments and then move through it. You know present in the moment bringing all of the energy that i have know. Come over to come over here and what lay around on the couch. You know i'm not What's his name. Your last guest. Who was just laying. joel mchale. Well if few. I don't know if he'd be like last-gasp joe mattel did lie around get out he's a big guy and i asked chris. I said chris you know. Feel free to lie there. And then you know of course ryan would have to sit on a stool near and his five but noted for is the corner. Nobody puts ryan in the stool. Yeah my ass appreciative of invite me over and and i wanna show up and be here right. And isn't that isn't that you're talking about with with bear. Isn't it an analogy for life. Imagine just every situation is bare. And like if i am i organize a softball thing on sunday. Go for two hours and play softball and give softball in your friends. Attention to hours right and then go off and do something else but everything you do should have that sort of attention your work your love life your the dishes that in the moment that is the key to what we have been talking about from our last podcast that we did to this podcast to to somehow just being in the moment and that is very hard for me. I'm almost ahead of myself. And i'm working on that and then what i'm saying is the only thing i've ever come across that that that brings me back into the moment without fail. Every time is bare. See and that didn't happen before you have that thing to bring you back. I had to work really hard at work really hard. Do work as hard you think. Do you think everybody on that show. Obviously you're gonna say yes. Everybody works hard. Every has different work ethics. When you're doing this as us do you see that some people are just so like there's some people that are the method that you just don't want to be around them because they're just sue hyperfocused. They need to stay in the moment the whole day. They're just in. There are the people who are just like any way. Oh my gosh chrissy. Your voices do people on the set like that. Everybody's different. I mean it depends on the day you know i have a. I have a good deal of respect for for what's going on that day. There are certain days that are much heavier than others. And i can be the same way if i know at the end of this day. I'm gonna have to have a panic attack. Nervous breakdown on camera. I'm not going to be goofing. Around all day the way i normally would right to have some preserve that energy preserved the energy kind of focus the mind It doesn't mean that. I need to be and i learned this because it doesn't mean i can be rude to other people. It doesn't mean. I can be snippy with other people and i've let those things bleed over in the past where i'm so focused on my work and somebody comes up and i get i get short. I get right and that's inappropriate. Everyone are on. Our show is very good about being present for the work that they have to do and and letting it go when it's done and being respectful to each other now. There are certain people who everyone works like you said. Everyone works very hard. Some people make it look a lot easier. Justin hartley is the most effortless actor. Many thuc effortless fuck. He's the most effortless actor i've seen and i'm sure that the wheels are turning and i know he puts the work in and i know he has his you know routines or whatever it is when shows up it is. It is the most effortless thing i've ever seen. You know who. I think is probably the most intense. And he's such a great actor and this is this is. It's a good thing. But i picture sterling. Oh yeah being very like. Hey i love you all but don't fuck with me. He doesn't even have to say that he he just. He is focused and he is a technician when it comes to emotion like we've talked about he can he can if the the cameras on the left. I'll make sure the tier comes out the left. I you know like really he walked do that. I don't know if he can do that. Certainly appears that way. It's like just it's crazy to me wild and he shows up and he he brings the energy to to the set he is. He is amped up. He is ready to go and the best thing about our sad is that nobody has to say stuff like that. Everybody gets it. Who has it the toughest who do you think handy mandy mandy has at the tough man. Yeah because mandy has played everything from her as herself from sixteen years old to ninety and so she spends every generation of the tv show so she is onset more than anyone and she's emotional lot she. Yeah she's in every time line. She has to play most often a sixty five sixty seven year old woman. She does an incredible job. She is the most overlooked person on our show because she is so ever present. I think i think her. Lack of nominations for awards and things boggles my mind because the work he's doing is better than anything else on on network television right now. It's it's it's insane. And and her level of emotionality issue upset by that. Even she gets upset by that thinks she would. We look we all would like the recognition emotionally spiritually. Whatever it is some time well but also like we're talking about you know that that type of recognition ups are value for the business side of this of this job so nominations in a war is said you were nominated for an emmy. I was dank. Dank glen haege son of a b. But those those things add to your value in this industry so in order not to do six years mandy to do six seasons of some of the best acting i've seen on. Tv you know she wants to. She wants to roll over and other things and she'll be fine. Incredible actor an incredible singer but She definitely has it. The hardest on our show who cries the most chrissy chrissy cries emoji. She's a good cryer. she's very good cryer. She well she. She has the thing that makes her. Such a brilliant actor is that she has access her emotions are on call like they are right below the surface so if she needs them. They're they're ready. And i can't say that for myself like i have like i said i work in to to an emotional scene where you have to cry you do you constantly think or dwell on fuck. I've bet crab got crime. Gotta gimme glacier. I've only emmy glycerin spray. Bliss reminds. I've done glycerin and shit. I've done it all the the i've only had to do at once on this is us all right It happened spontaneously a second time and then the rest of the time. I've kind of made the choice not to for that not to be a path for me chrissy. Chrissy has that path That emotion that emotional level sterling has that emotional level. We can't all be we can't be crying are but you know what i mean like like so i've avoided it probably mostly from my own comfort level and ease. It's gotta be when you see a scene. Where like i gotta get emotional cry kind of like fuck. Yeah i mean it's work know like an extra what's going to be a long day it's gonna be a long. It's not fun. And how long do you shoot like a scene before you get usually do. They really just milk it. I mean it's tv. It's network tv. We're moving you know you you've done but you're doing three or four hours of seen it least de for hours of sand. Yeah so you're going to do a close up amid shot. A wide shot their coverage. That's the other thing. Yeah if you have to be emotional. Can you do it fifteen times and by the way. Do you prefer doing the motion. Seen the camera having anew at first to see you don't lose that It's been yeah. Yeah prob- that's better because at the end you're getting everything the and then you turn around and you get nothing left. Yeah has it ever happened to you. Yes early on. When i didn't quite realize the structure of television i realized. Oh well. I gave everything i had you know while the camera was pointed it gave everything they knew. What a great performance. That's the camera's not on you. Yeah and they turn around. I'm like i don't know guys. I don't even know the lines anymore. What i'm doing. And i'm like what happened to him. I don't know that's happened before. I used to be the guy that they go. We've got thirty minutes left. You know we'll just go turn around rosenbaum for the last ten minutes or close up. And he's got all the dialogue. He'll do it. He'll he'll be a professional and i get so upset on mike. I'm stressing my ass out because you're gonna turn around me at the end of the night when we're all going home at like eleven at night or one in the morning. Yeah and they would turn around a man tom. It'd be like hey you need me and like yes here inside to you is brought to you by untuckit. 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Because i said you know he's working with tyler. He goes taylor goldsmith from dawes. You knew. I love the way he writes. Really love like the because it almost feels like punch lines away but like they're just like really like he like he really sets it up and then like the final rhyme is like whole jesus did yeah he. He is one of the great living americans singer songwriters. And when i first met him Through mandy right. They were just dating and it was early on in the season. One or two of this is us and he said. I got this band called ause and i don't know how this band escaped me up until four years now but i went home and i and i bought all their album every single album and listen to them in chronological order and would text him as i was listening to songs when something would come to me and i have a question. Okay track for your second album and as it was that writing style that you're talking about ryan that that a bell went off for me and i was like this guy listens to a lot of john prime and just knew it. I texted him. I said listen to a lot of jump ryan. Don't you said yeah. How'd you know. I said because this lyric and it was one of these punch. Line will really intelligent witty. It's a little bit of everything that one song where it's like three different stories right and i think the best lines ever written was a things happen. That's all they ever do right. That blew my fucking mind things happen. That's all they ever do. So simple as an. It's it's an. It's so witty. And it's so heartfelt trying that has not trying that hard thing and and so one day i was writing a song and the opening verse sounded just like john prien song and i texted it to him. I played it and saying it. And i texted it to him and i said you are right john bryan song and he texted back the first half of the first chorus and then i texted back the second verse and then he did the second half of the second verse and over two days. We had written this song over text message. That was one hundred. You put it together probably and send it back to him and like this. Let's do this and we have such a good time. We wrote you know five or six more. And then. I had a couple that i had already written with other friends. And we put an album together and we were playing shows around los angeles you know year and a ago when when the world shutdown and And so we we were going to. In the in the hiatus between seasons. I was planning a tour. We were gonna go play shows and none of that happened so so we finally just released the record and let people have a listen and it Know we're really happy with it. I i wanted to play a song just a little bit just to the audience here. I think we played anyway right. We can play a little bit can't we. Why don't you play job. The spouse so yeah. Why don't i. That's a better idea. We're gonna come from so tehran. Yeah please interview him. And taylor taylor and i were trying the the song That i was just talking about is called deaf ears. If if you're looking for songs to to insert Taylor and i had been trying to decided he'd been kind of consulting. Obviously i didn't have a band really a didn't really feel like releasing the record under my own name Because i felt like. I felt like the music deserved a character like it. Deserves a context outside of chris. Sullivan the actor. I wanted people to come to it without that without that context and so and so we had decided that maybe a moniker would be appropriate. And i was sitting in an easter sunday catholic mass. I am not catholic. My sister-in-law is. I love going to her church. She has this incredible irish priest in father doni and they started listing saints and it went on for a long time listing all the saints and it was all the ones you know saying ignatius oilla pray for us all of these all of these popular saints and then they started getting into these more rare sounding saints and one of them was joseph. The spouse and i didn't want didn't realize that joseph of the jesus. Mary and joseph had been canonized as a saint too. I didn't realize that he was identified for just being a spouse and i thought that's an incredible connotation for that character in literates the cool. It's a cool tie. It just flows. It's just a character of literature. Who is recognized for being a witness to a miracle and something about it struck me and i don't know about you michael but when when i'm writing a song i don't feel i feel like the song is coming through me. It's not coming from me. And i feel like i am witnessing a miracle especially when i get together with other musicians and everyone starts collaborating this song. A plan comes together out of nowhere just becomes something. You couldn't imagine his something out of nothing. Yeah it is sound of silence. And so joseph spouse was this. Was this character. Who was this witness to a miracle. And that's how. I feel about writing these songs and and i always feel like when i write stuff it you know. I start mumbling things. An eighty percent of the words come from mumbles idea. So it's almost subconscious and so yeah. The song first song taylor and i wrote is called deaf ears. Collect is way as fan. Malvo busying ran out of the fifty. Must they wanna cannot that on the away. Yeah i mean come on. It's honestly beautiful. Listen to go. That's just a gorgeous song. thanks. I appreciate us. If the spouse what's title the album the album is called six feet from under six feet from under. You gotta listen to it. Please go to spotify. go to itunes. Go to wherever you get your music you're gonna find it This is Shit talking with chris sullivan right now. This is these are Rapid fire from my patrons go to patriot dot com slash inside of you. If you wanna join a message after nico p. are there any philanthropic organizations that are near and dear to you that you can share with us. Yeah i work pretty closely with a A mental health organization called to write love on her arms That helps connect people with mental health. Services counseling Crisis hotlines people are struggling with depression. Suicide any of those things. I've done a lot of work with an where can they go. t. w. l. o. H. a. dot com. I like it. Emily asked what did it feel like to go. Back to the set of to film this us The app probably issue really means after after being in quarantine for so long. I mean it was. It was stressful. We were we were put in these giant plexiglas boxes. There were all of these. We had a lot of testing. We tested three times a week. Monday is up then probably on some little bit a little bit. But i also knew that we had all of the safety precautions in place. There were masks and shields and you know the only people without masks the actors and that was only happening between action and cut of the that would give me anxiety. Always having to wear a mask i really. I always do but now backs. But i it's just being on set the where it's like. This is my work in wearing a mask the whole day young having going with your trailer. Yeah a lot but we as a cast were all on the same page so that gave us all a good deal of confidence as far as you know staying quarantined staying healthy right staying because it could've been a disaster. Be the asshole that ruins it for reservedly. Dana dana asked if you had had a theme song plan when you walked around. What would it be obvious. Child by. Paul simon really. Yeah you know. The song do know the song i think my would be. It's a mistake the minute work. I think my dad would say that lee. Mp now that things are opening up a bit what you looking forward to doing mostly I am looking forward to traveling. We have Rachel and i have a a bunch of family and close friends who Who wanted take bear to meet. So we're going to be traveling pretty soon. I'm gonna come visit bear. Come roll around in the backyard. I'd love that. Dude i have to. Yeah you look into his eyes. Michael and you'll you'll see what i'm talking about if you just kind of over here me and i'm just holding him ago you're the most important thing ever to me. There's nothing else. It's christmas right looking into your eyes. I know that you most. It's not having a baby. That's not your not your kiss baby. This is the child. Maya p how has becoming a father changed. You've pretty much covered mary. Be rosie's blessed to have you as a friend. What word of advice. What advice that you give him that you really wish he would take to heart I am blessed to have you as a friend. rosie too so everybody's clear piece of advice. What advice could i give you. We we live our lives As as an example of i. I tried to live my life as an example of what i hope for the people around me not in specifics not in a hope everything happens the same way but i i i try to deal with the difficult things head on and i try to share them with my share. The way that i've dealt with the difficult things with my friends as as encouragement as encouragement. And you do the same and encourage it. Well i i would say ultimately and it's just so cliche but honestly the one thing that i'm learning is you gotta do whatever it takes to to learn to love yourself. You've got to fuck dude. I have got to learn to just love myself and be the best person i could be that. That's it just be grateful every day. Try to be grateful. I'm trying these aren't when i say this isn't me like i'm grateful every day and i am. This is not me saying that this is like to love myself more. I'd like to be more grateful. I want to do these things. And i really am trying to do. These things. there will always be a balance and both things will always be true. And and i have days when i really start to focus on the things that i lack right and it's an it's an awful fucking day and a simple shift of perspective Towards the things that i have and the blessings and the gratitude that i have both things exist. I lack things and i have everything i need in it. All depends it all depends on which Which wolf i feed you know. Do i feed the the of of contentment. Or do i feed the wolf of fear and whoever i throw scraps to get stronger and gets louder so now i never just like look at bear and just it just tear up. Yeah i made this. Almost i told. I told rachel yesterday i was like this is the best. He's the best thing i've ever done. And i did almost nothing. That's a line in a song right there. He's the best thing i've ever done. He's the best thing i've as i almost ambigous. What does it mean. Yeah he's the best thing of and and i've tried hard to create wonderful things. Yeah and he's the most wonderful thing that i've created. Well you're very important to me. This has been a blessing. I love having you here. It's been too long and we've never done the video so people can watch. They could listen. It's dec- you. I'm glad you're happy. Glad you got a whole another season here. i am thinking you're cancel. You're done you're now. We're only eighteen episodes so that wasn't exactly true but Thank you for sharing this with me. Rachel yeah that's special to me your special to me. That was a text message from me. You it's what we as what we talked about with. Chris hardwood as i'm saying. Yeah so it's very hard to When you're talking to someone in person and just leave and go all right. Well i'm gonna go now. All right well did take care of la so we just have a line that just like you say it and then fuck off walkaway your special to me and then you leave and then that's it. That's it ryan your special to me i. Yeah no all right. Thank you for allowing me to be inside your chris as cuddly malka upgrade all right I love that man. I love him. I love him dearly. Sometimes you don't see people often enough and then you see them and it feels like yesterday and it was beautiful having here in the studio and talking about having a child and talking about his life and This is us and the last season and It was always a joy always a real joy having him around me. he's a good spirit. Good soul. I love his be in his presence. So that's all say about that. Like i said kobe. No joke I'm doing a little bit better Just got some lingering effects and trying to the half a Little bit of fluid in the lung and the left lung and But she wasn't concerned about that and But that's a holy shit man. I'm pretty healthy. I doesn't matter cova. it's unpredictable. You be perfectly healthy. Could be shit when it hit you. You don't know how it's going to hit you till it hits you. So that's that that's what happened to me. You've heard many stories on one of the millions of stories. You've probably heard but all i would say is just just faxed. Why would doctors. Why would doctors idea. Why would doctors. Who since the beginning of time of we only tried to help you feel dumb. yeah get into. We don't need to get into it. Just get taxed get faxed be safe we healthy. I don't want you to get sick help. He had a great week. Big shot out to my patrons. I love you guys if you wanna join patriot and help the podcast in any way possible. Patriot dot com slash inside of you and Hope you do that. I'll send you a message. Like i always do right after you Join patron we've got a lot of members. Some members get boxes sent to them from me and messages. 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Ethan Suplee: Recovery & Learning to Love Yourself

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:11:22 hr | 2 months ago

Ethan Suplee: Recovery & Learning to Love Yourself

"You're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum. I want to say thanks for listening and got a great even supply today Been in everything. We'll get to that in just a moment this brief but i want to thank everybody out there for thanking me in wishing you happy thoughts on my birthday and also having surgery a little back surgery and i happy birthday. Thank you for the happy. Belated birthday thank you. My friend The back is is doing better. Good you know. It's three weeks out. So thank you everyone for worrying about me or thinking about me. So that's awesome and Hey if you're if you enjoy this podcast today if you here for and you're interested over the stick around we've got a lot of great guests coming. We've had a lot of great guests in the past. Hopefully you'll subscribe. And he'll he'll give it a listen to give it a chance. And that's how we get more listeners. Hopefully you're here freeth and but you stick around for little old me Ryan it's at inside of you. 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You get all the merchant everything you want there. Also i will be at dragon con in atlanta in september fourth. Weekend with tom welling. We're gonna probably do a smallville nights. I think i'm not sure yet. Lexington comic con dot com september ninth through the twelfth and west. Virginia mountaineer comic con dot com. You can go to september twenty fourth weekend I'll be there. There's other ones as well. So just Follow me on the socials right now. Ethan's is the guest today. He talks about everything. Is heroin addiction. How he had to go to rehab. House wife helped him love life. Make life matter if you will How he dropped out of school How he nailed his first audition and so much more. This guy's and inspiration. I love him dearly. Let's get inside of ethan supply. It's my you're listening to inside of you with michael rose by Inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Well yeah looked. I haven't seen you in quite a while. And i know we were kind of friends. We're friends you know like more acquaintances but not close friends. But back in the days. When i would hang out with you know at leo's house namedrop total namedrop right there but and i remember it was just a good time and he was a great guy. You're you were always so pleasant. So sweet. So and i. I remember something funny because i have a video of view in jay ferguson's blue truck and we're singing sting. You're singing in one car. And i'm seeing it in the other car. Oh wow you remember that song. God it's been on my mind the nineties. This was the nineties. How would i remember. Twenty years ago. Yeah but i remember it. I remember and i remember just Enjoying your presence and then seeing your whole metamorphosis or whatever you're just evolution has been just fucking what the like. It's just incredible. I know that every podcast you do. And i know you have your podcast. American glutton podcast which in california. I think they should have an american gluten podcast. They probably do. But by the way what what do you do. On the podcast. american glutton. Podcast it's really. You know at another guy who who you will remember from back. Then kevin connolly. We were going to japan like maybe ten years ago and we got on the plane and he was like what the hell are you going to do for fourteen hours and i said i'm gonna listen to this. Dan carlin podcast about you. Know the history of the mongols or something whatever it was some serious where you got. Fourteen hours of content from dan carlin who said the god of history and he was like. What's a podcast. So i showed him. He downloaded the app. He didn't sleep on the claim he listened to the whole thing's straight through. We landed in japan and then the entire trip we were on. He was consumed with podcasts. Interests like couldn't believe that this existed in that people were just talking and having conversations and so he became kind of obsessed and he created this podcasting studio called action park media and he before before they launched. He was kind of saying to me. You have to come to a podcast He wanted me to do one about politics. Because i'm very much a contrarian and i kind of a overtly despise all politicians so no matter what anybody's happy about in politics i'll just try to rein shit down on it. And i said to him. There is no way that i'm going to do that. At such like a nada. And to do because i have conversation view but it's not a public conversation. It's not anything. I'm interested in talking about publicly. And he was like come on like one day. I woke up when he was asking me. And i was like. Oh i can fully talk about health and fitness. Because i've done that and it a lot of the way i look at it. It's very analogous to how i look at politics for philosophy or any of these things So we talk about health and fitness but if anybody wants to like listen to it and you can very easily figure out that i am just not interested in the political system that we have right and also there's enough shows about politics and about health and life and my show we talk about anxiety and facing adversity in this and that and it's something that some people can relate to in politics is just something that everybody starts arguing about and everybody has their own opinion. Health is something you know. Health is something that's universal in that. I think anybody can listen to so it makes more sense. I think he'd be. You're probably happier than would be if you were doing. A political podcast. Yes yeah. I mean i would. Yes for sure. Because i i you know. I don't think it's fun. I think it's a fun conversation to how somebody who you know at the end of it even if they get mad at you. They're not her like write you off as a bad person right there. I can't. I can't do that with the with puppy. I don't think anybody can like. I think it's it's a divide that said that once you're on whatever line you're on and i don't even believe in in the left right lines so much but just like whatever team you somebody associates you with some team and if that's not your team fuck you on the so it's like it's just not a and to your point like it's the most disgusting erica. Since biden got elected. I'd just turned off the tv. I'm like okay. I mean. I turned off the tv many years ago. I think the last time. I voted was obama the first round and then i became so disillusioned by him and his foreign policy that i was just like. I'm done i quit. I'm no longer interested in american by he starts. Does it matter anymore. Does it really matter what i say or would i do. And how much breath. And my wasting exactly. And i'm not. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything right. You know you just get tired of it on this. Podcast we right now. This is called how you doing. It's a it's a mental health moment So how are you right now. How are you mentally physically and what are you. What are you doing right now to kind of keep a positive. Yeah so i'm in mexico I have four kids. They all go to school in other states. So i don't see them a lot and then we had this awful thing the pandemic so they all came home and it was like like christmas. Groundhog's day of christmas over and over where it's like. They're all here. This is kind of fun. And then you know and then you get sick of at some point. You're kind of like. I wish they'd go back to school but in the schools are open but having spent the last year so in such tight family mode. It's very rough to be away from them. And so I'm trying to concentrate on work. And is also proven quite difficult to adhere to my nutrition. Plan one hundred percent now. And i have a little kitchenette in my hotel and and that's super helpful but it's not nearly as convenient. It's not a full kitchen enough. You know like. I walked to the grocery store basically every morning before work and buy food and then make sure i have food to take the work with me because i just don't trust set food. So that's what. That's how i'm doing right so you're a little anxious. There's some anxiety there you miss your family. Miss your wife. You missed the kids. You're in a different country. You're trying to work. You're trying to have the same regiment that you you've been doing for a while that's kept you in this great shape this new person you become So that's that's stressful. Because you wanna maintain that you don't wanna get off the wagon right. Yeah there's a fair amount of anxiety right now for sure and so it's important for you to keep your workout if you stopped working out. If you stop doing these things that's probably gonna come back. Yeah the workouts are key and then we'll have night shoots which kind of decimate the workout because You know you just been up all night and so like leading up to the night shoot by the night before the night of the day before the night shootout get a my workout. I'll be perfect and then night shoot start and it just is like almost too hard to go to the gym before work the next day. Especially if you're turnaround is highly a. I don't want to work out. i wanna eat. I wanted one if eat and go to bed. I don't it's easy to jump into that room service. And i wanna turn on. Hbo max and you know or net flicks or something and relax and it's okay to do that once or twice but if you continue to do it and get into the habit that's where the bad habits again start that's right. Well you know everybody knows you. I mean look if you if you don't know them you've seen him in everything. American history x remember the titans wolf of wall street without a paddle work. Our buddies dax and kevin smith films in my name is earl and it just goes on and on. You've been working so long but if you go back to you know i think i always think it's interesting too because my my family always talk about the dysfunction and how it happened how i became an actor and you know people know that who listen but for you. What was it like growing up in your house. Because i read that your parents met in summer stock theater and so they were actors and so you grew up with two actors right. Well they quit asking. At when i came along they were they. They met in summer stock. they toured with shows. My mom was on broadway and then I think it was a decision where they sat down when she was pregnant. With me. and we're just like this is not a conducive lifestyle to have kids. They were both actors. I don't know how. And i'm sorry if you're a significant other if you have i don't alone. I'm allow kate good very long. I don't understand to actors in our relationship like it just doesn't The relationships that i've been aware of where that's the that's the dynamic. They don't seem to be cohesive. I think about like ed harris. I guess he's got a solid long-term thing with acts and kristen seemed to be solid examples rider with iran. They're rare yeah and my parents kind of recognize that and they weren't doing movies it was all a feature but they would tour and so one would be off on a tour with one clay and other would be either in new york or on some other tour and You know they just they. They opted out. But so but i was raised with plays and i had cats named stanley and stella growing up. Like you know. Pray right right. I mean what. What did they just decide when you were born. Like we're not gonna act so they got real jobs and what were those jobs. And how did they support you. My dad is a painting contractor and my mom ran that business and they've been running that business since you were a kid. Yep do you talk to them about projects. You're going to do it. Maybe your house gas for their input. I mean i tell them when their stuff. I think there's a lot of Anxiety about work as an actor as you would know. And so i remember when i was first starting out and i had gotten this job and i was thrilled about it and my dad said you're only as good as your next job is kind of like fuck great okay I'd i'd have a next job. So i'm i'm not a worthless so there is definitely something and then about you know stuff falls through and and stuff Falls apart you know financing goes away. So i i actually don't like to talk about it with them at all until i'm like onset and and it seems like the article the plug at any minute right. Yeah because i remember you know. And i've told the story but i remember my dad. I told them i'm i'm. I'm doing this movie. it's this because what kind of movie is well. it's an independent independent. What do you mean independent. Well it's an independent movie. It's you know private financing as well so it's not a studio picture. It's not a real movie. I didn't say it was it a real fucking now. It's a it's a real movie just that hopefully we'll get a fuck it. You know what i mean. it was just. You taught yourself into feeling like it's shitty. Yes that's exactly what it is. I start to talk. Like i'm just like negative like this isn't a good thing. Well i got a movie but not onset yet. That's not a real. It probably won't go anywhere. So what are you doing. He's the fun. This is the way things were supposed to be. You're supposed to graduate high school and he became something you did things this is. This is good. But i always think like that and i'm trying i'm trying to change that positive thinking in therapy and things like that but we're your parents supportive did did they try to get you away from acting or did you have the bug. 'cause you around them and you knew so much about plays and and did they kind of just say all right. This is what you wanna do. I think my parents were just happy. That i was doing something there was not. I left school at fourteen. And i was a. What do you mean you left. School at fourteen says i'm leaving school at for. I just refused to go. i just stopped going. You know and and basically said to my mom like are you going to call the truant officer and send me to jail. And i and she wasn't prepared to do that and i just wasn't i no longer when And had some some arrests and you are arrested. Yeah i yeah i was. How old in the eighties in the late. Eighties very young I was a pain in the ass. And so you know. I had a friend who who was an actor and he had seen me in a play at school at when i was like fourteen right at the end and he and he was aware that i was doing nothing and left school and said to me like you should come to my acting class. You should just do that like this guy needs something to do and whereas this is this all in la all in la so you went to this act in class. Went to the zaken glass for a year from sixteen seventeen kind of got frustrated with the acting class and then was like i'm gonna go and you know there were levels. There was like the the beginners class and then there was the intermediate. My friend was in the advanced class. So i was like i had to get to the advanced class with my buddy. That'll be fun. Never got past the beginner class and quit and started working. You know like taking a a magazine backstage and sending agents my picture and the agents like you look interesting. i'll send drought audition. We'll see what happens. Why i that's rare. My first day of auditions. I had melrose place and boy meets world. I went to melrose place. No i went to boy meets world. I then driving melrose place. I was told. I had a callback for born each world. After melrose place go to melrose place. Get a call. That i got the job. But then they're discussing it and they're like oh he's not inside. We're not we're not going to hire him. Go back to boy meets world and get world which i did for three years. That was day. One of auditioning out. This is the most bizarre crazy start to occur. You hear about these things but these are incredibly rare things. This is a kid who says fuck school. I'm done with school. Oh yeah. I'll take an acting class. Fuck that. I'm not taking acting class. I'll do it myself. I'll send pictures to backstage. And then you land a job on your first day of auditions and you were on that show for three years and you're starting to make money. Yeah and i think at that point. My parents were just utterly relieved. Were you in good spirits like it sounds to me like you were problematic like you were troubled and you like i don't know how your attitude was with. Did you have like a bad attitude this whole time or you were just kind of going with the flow or could you turn on the charm. I had about it with myself. I had a bad attitude with my parents. But i work i was. I was thrilled to be at work. I was thrilled to have a job that That was fun. It was fun thing to do right. Were you heavier at this time already. Yeah so you. I got bigger overtime. I remember between season. One and season two boy meets world. My agents called and said the producers say you do not have to gain weight for this role and and i didn't think through that comment as clearly as i should have because i was just like okay all right. I don't have to gain weight. If i don't maybe i want to. Why didn't i didn't have that. Maybe i want to. I just had like. I'm not you know i wasn't getting on scales. 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Use the code inside use code inside for twenty percent off your first purchase at untuckit dot com. Do you think that had something to do with being a fourteen year old in high school. Did you feel like the way people were treating you the way do you think that's sort of how that whole. Just your feeling how you felt about things and your parents trying to tell you that they ever say you lose some weight or you need to like when you hear. These is explained that. I was on diets from five a until basically until until i just started telling my parents to fuck off which was fourteen and I was you know was there was a sense of wrongness. My first my first idea of self. You know you're a little kid and there's no idea that like oh this body like there was no awareness of it. The first bit of awareness. That i had about my body was that it was wrong And and so. And then i was just and then it was just constantly reaffirmed. Through you know my whole family would go macrobiotic but really it was just because they thought this by you know and you can name any diet atkins at some point in the eighties and fit for life and there were adele davis books which she was like the first diet person. I was ever truly like here. We're going to read this book together in your seven and i'm like okay but there was just a constant feeling of being off from like five on And so when. I just kind of got sick of it and was like i'm not gonna conform to what i'm not gonna do what you tell me to do. Any more know i went. I like a runaway train. Down the road away from goals they were setting for me while because you know it's developmental stages as young five six seven that little that i remember your short. You're know you're you're not smart. You're those things stick with you. No matter how smart you get or how tall you get you always remember for some reason. I wish i could just stop that little fucker from thinking these things that you weren't good enough you weren't smart enough you want whatever but y- you're saying ultimately that at that young age you're like what's wrong with me ultimately like i n does that carry with you throughout your adulthood like even though you're in great shape now you look great. You feel great. Do you still think back. I'm still that kid you know. It's a very tricky thing. Because i don't know i can. I can mentally work myself through it today but there is always kind of my my gut reactions myself in the mirror or a photograph or anything like that is always kind of disgust. And and as of today. I can definitely stop that because i know that's a dark road if i allow myself to sit back so i take time and i find something about myself that i'm not disgusted by and i build on that and then i feel a little bit better and but yeah there there. There's no like true escape from the off. Switch where just goes away. I haven't found that for myself prime and you think about like even some injuries physical injuries. You break your arm and you're always kind of aware that that are might be weaker something like that. It's it's similar. it's not as heavy as it was at one point and there was a long time where i use drugs to to block out those thoughts and i suddenly had never understood this sense of confidence. That drugs gave me and it was just like well. This is fucking great. If i can just do this all the time but then you know you wake up and you feel like even worth worth said. Yeah yeah so. That was kind of trapped for me to It is something that i can work through but it hasn't. It's not something i've cured. Bright also at this young age you start th seventeen years old. You start getting roles and that doesn't stop you. Don't stop working. You haven't stopped working but you starting to get roles and you're playing your heavier on in all the roles correct. Yes so do you start to feel like why lose weight anyway. Why try to change wyant. Because i'm getting all the jobs now. You know it was something that by the time i guess like i did want meets world for three years and so i'm like in that time period. I started doing drugs while i was doing drugs. I was not thinking about any of it. Nothing there were no thoughts like that. It wasn't wasn't thinking about the future at all. It was just very much in the moment and the moment is nomin comfortable and And so there was no thought about like if i lost weight there was no thought about weight. It was just like i. I have this crippling disgust for myself. That That i can turn off with drugs and if i do that then i'm happy and i can be happy doing all this other stuff that is supposed to make you happy. Lots of money and attention and you know success to some degree so there wasn't a lot of thought about the future. What kind of drugs heroin cocaine really you got in heroin. Yeah for a while for a few years. Yeah i mean they. They always say that. That's one drug. Get on you. Never get off for the most part. It's a rough one. I went to rehab a few times. I remember being so envious of the the crackheads at rehab because they would come in and the first thing you do as detox like right you don't go to group if you're still strung out You're like kind of off another area in these crackheads. Come in and they just sleep and then they they get woken up and they go to meals and they eat everything and they have these furry huge appetites and then they go back to sleep and the junkies are sitting there awake for days on and can't eat. Anything asked is like it's really rough. Mike god has nothing is rough as the the ones that the of the guys came in with like furious alcohol dependency or serious benzoate dependencies because those guys are at risk of death like other drugs are not at risk of f- when you're coming off of it's not comfortable it's miserable but like you see guys like real alcoholism You can die just quitting those drugs right. I mean i read. This article are something that you quoted where you went into a starbucks and used to memorize everything you're going to order to a t. Explained explain that story paint that picture. Yeah i still do that You know there there was a there was there was always a feeling of being in a position and not wanting any attention to myself and so in any interaction. I would have where other people were around. I would want it to be as efficient and smooth and quick as possible so i would never stand online and then arrived somewhere and make a decision at that point. The decision is made. Before i get out of my car. I basically know exactly what i want. I know how to order it. I know where to pick it up. I know where to stand so that. I'm not in anybody's way while i'm waiting for them to prepare it like all of that is stuff that i'm aware of and i would have. I would lash out at people who didn't do that in my mind. Going like how. Rude and presumptuous of that person not to have figured it out. And so i would build up these resentments but really it was all about like fucking cares dude. We're getting coffee. Like you know if you arrive at the taylor and you and you notice like wow. They've got a flavor of coffee. I'm not familiar with asked him about that. Like you have the right to do the right. I would never give myself the right to do that. Because i wouldn't want to spend another moment because i picture that arriving at that place you're almost on a stage and i don't wanna be looked at in that context because not context. I'm me. I'm not acting when i'm acting. I'm not like to be noticed you didn't like to be recognized. You don't want people to say. Hey aren't you that guy from whatever you do not want that i didn't mind. Hey are you that guy. From whatever as much. And i'll tell you why because that was a veil and a facade that blocked them to some degree or lessen their awareness to some degree of seeing my grotesque nece. Does that make sense. Yeah so i mean. I pictured myself moving through society as an eyesore as a burden. And if i could throw up things like this identity actor that would distract you from the burden that i'm presenting. That was fine so so in that sense. I didn't remind simply because it was a distraction from what i thought of myself. I mean that's just. I mean it's horrific to think that you know it's just it's such a sad thing that it almost takes in other words people noticing you from something is a distraction of who you think you are like you. You're it's kinda takes your mind away from who you believe you really are. And they're not seeing because they're putting you on a pedestal in a sense totally and that's what it was and that's probably still what it is a little bit today but you're unrecognizable. You're a different person. Like honestly when i look at you. I don't know anybody who go where you remember the titans or are you in this because you looked so different. Yeah it's such. It's very rare now and you like that. Yeah i mean. I like i like anonymity i like. I don't wanna be looked at really i. I am cleese. That i can show that perseverance on a giving course can be successful because i failed so many times at this course so in that respect. I'm happy to put a picture up. Which but even that. There is something painful about social media because it just so judgmental of myself a czar. Now that i can have a doing ideas about myself especially when you're trying to work on musculature of being too fat i can feel and i did today. I felt too fat into thin at the same time and didn't know what to do with this thought in this feeling and it's just like you know at some point you got gotta laugh because it's like i recognized that there will be no perfection. There will be no turning off of the need of of change. So it you know. It's just a burden. And i say that it's gotten much better is much better. How easy is it for you too. We hinted at this but for someone who had for so long. What was someone else you know. In a way you are obese. And now you're in great shape and working hard and use feel great. How easy or how easy would it be for someone to fall off the wagon. Is it something like alcoholism is food. Something like alcoholism where you know you get down about something you you have loss. You have whatever in that. Just spirals you is something that you're aware of or you talk to someone about. I talked to my wife about it. But but i don't. I don't put absolute restraints on food in the same way that i do drug alcohol drugs. Alcohol is a very either or for me foods. The tricky thing is that you can't stop eating you die the end result of of not eating his death and so that's not a solution. That's never a solution. And so you find a lot of diets that will present you with just quit this type of food and even that i was unsuccessful at because you game that you can you can if if the point is like look. I understand if you're actually allergic to wheat or gluten and you have cer or hashimoto's or something of that nature yes. you shouldn't gluten. You gotta cut that out of your of your diet. But if you're if your goal is weight loss and you and you and you go about it by just removing gluten from your diet i i would just say from my anecdotal experience not successful. It's not a successful way to lose weight or not exploring in that instance was the way we were interacting with food that got us to the point that we needed to lose weight at all. Were just saying the of burden is on this thing gluten. Which if you're obese if that's the only issue you're dealing with it's scientifically not gluten fault so there's a lot in that. I don't like to put multiple days consecutive days together of not sticking to my program so the holidays. I'm not going to be the guy. Christmas dinner weighing my roast beef and porsche. Rat-a-tat your holidays right. Yeah but i'm not also gonna take out on leftovers on the twenty six. So there's there's a little balance there. Was this whole time to growing up i mean. Did you date girls. Did you have a lot of dates were you. I mean this is something you always wanted to date and you can keep. It'd be what was what was that like. I definitely had confidence. Once i was on drugs To talk to women string. And i had a few i definitely had interactions with girls. Unfortunately a lot of the time. I was on so much drugs that there would be an in your no longer effectual when it comes to doing that deed So i didn't have any like really successful relationships before my wife Who really was the spark that turned my life around and You know it was weird cycle of like. I wasn't going to talk to girls before. I did drugs because i thought so low of myself. Or if i wasn't talked to girls it was gonna be. I was going to be the safest person they could ever talk to. You know what i mean by not going to be a hint of sexuality might communication with them. Yeah i just recognized that even back in the day. When i knew you were kind of a you know you talk funny but you didn't. You weren't going on hitting on girls you weren't you. Were just minding your own thing and just hanging out with the guys and just kind of i. I just remember that. I remember that. Just know one of those top notch guys. Did you say your wife brandy who you've been married to since two thousand six right we've been married since two thousand six together since two thousand to almost win. She saved your life. You say i i. I don't wanna say she's a. I didn't care about my life. Prior to her my life meant very little to me prior to her and once i started seeing her i was newly sober. I started seeing her. It was the very first time. I started thinking about future. And that was really how. I clawed my way out of this pit was going like having you know looking up and seeing the light weight at the top like that. There was life until their until then i didn't. I never thought about the future. That wasn't a. I went to bed. So many nice totally convinced. I was going to die my sleep and this was nothing that sparked huge change. Wow almost makes me want to cry. Because it's yeah. There's certain things about it that i can understand but but having not seeing a future is perhaps the saddest thing there is. If you don't see a future if you just wake up every day saying when is it going to happen or what am i gonna wanna one of going to be done. And i'm fine with it just ended already. It's almost like you know. And the fact that someone comes into your world and for the first time your eyes open wide and you're thinking hey wait a minute there. There's a future maybe there is a future. Maybe i'm worthy of someone or someones worthy of me. You know what i mean. It's it's that's that's amazing they can meet someone and not only that but you probably opened up to her and she had to see your true colors. Come out and see how it for. You know damaged you or not damaged but fractured or like you know how much baggage or you had weighing on you for your entire existence and this point you realized i've thrown everything atr and did you. My question is did you throw everything at her and she's not running. Yeah the the moment. I broke down and and and it was. It was a very bizarre thing that i don't even know the adequate words to communicate exactly what occurred for me but i had i had this. I had this brutal conversation with a guy that was basically saying like you're going to how you need to lose weight and i hadn't had a conversation like that before it was it was like so Kurt and and righteous and i- i landed in another country. And i was kind of like in a state of shock and i and i was like also going like holy shit. He's kind of write about some things. Like i'm not thinking about anything but like immediate gratification. And i've got this girl who i love. Who wants to do all these things that i'm not physically capable of doing like going on a hike or You know spending the day at the beach or going to a museum like was not in real estate to do that kind of stuff. And i remember thinking i got to tell her about this condition. I have as as though she wasn't aware any weirdest thing it was like. I gotta tell her the secret. That's not a secret. She knew but she's going. Hello yes but talking to her about it was as though she didn't know it literally fell to me in that moment like i'm gonna say this to her and this could be the end of us so it was either it. It felt very much. Like if i don't say this to her need help with us. I loser for sure at some point because her future is a path that i'm not going to be able to keep up with and if i do say to her. I risk exposing this truth to her. That is ugly and awful and damaged and and so. I just thought like well at least i. I'm taking a shot at winning there. And so i had this conversation with her and she was like so fucking cool dude she was like. Oh yeah we're going to do that as soon as you get back to. La have something ready for you. And i was like oh okay. And she was like. Yeah and for right. Now i was in romania and and she said for right now just while you're there just don't eat bread and i was like okay and that was kind of her. It was laying out this thing of like you're gonna take a baby step in the arena of being responsible with food and it wasn't like don't ever eat bread again just on this two weeks you're going to do one thing that is going to be your beating food and it's gonna be. You're gonna leave the dinner roll. You're not eat sandwiches. It's very sigit. Dylan's way and i did and i made it two weeks or three weeks or whatever. It was without eating bread. And i landed in l. a. And she picked me up and she had gone to the nutritionist. And gotten this. Like liquid diet thing and the nutritionist gives you big bottles of fiber pills and vitamins. And she individually bagged. Everything spent a whole day preparing the stuff for me and she was like. I've made each day of all your supplements and your protein shakes and all you have to do is just do this and i was like great. I'll do it. And i did that for sixty days. A liquid diet. I lost eighty pounds and as far as roller coaster guiding goes that's eighty pounds that i've never get back into never gotten those eighty pounds were permanent weight loss. And then i got into you know and then you go back to work. And you're like lightheaded half the time. And it's not conducive so you have to eat. And i would never recommend somebody do a liquid diet from whatever. They're morbidly obese until their goal. Like i don't think that's wise but it was a great kickoff in. Saudi is brought to you by better help. Better help online therapy and You know i've been talking about these guys. They've been a sponsor for a long time for a reason because they're helping people there helping people like ryan helping people like me. They're helping people like you out there who don't have someone to talk to someone who could be objective and someone who could help you out when you're going through some struggles and we all need. That were human beings as we begin to see the light at the end of the cova tunnel. A lot of people are still feeling down and emotionally out of sorts. I would say that is is in what's to come. And how are we gonna you know. We see the light at the end of the tunnel. Things are opening up. But there's this other strain as other things going on in life and that we can't really control and that's the thing you can't really control life killing control so much. Look you may not be feeling depressed or at a total loss. But if you're a little bit off or your relationships are suffering. This could be a sign. You should talk to somebody online. Therapy in help ryan is helping you. It is it does help to have the third party to of bounce things off. And then he say things out loud and I didn't think he'd ever do it. I thought you were the kind of guy the kind of reserve that you know on. That doesn't always dies. that's what i'm saying. You're a human being dammit. 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Here's what you're going to do despite what you want and you know like is there a way that could have been invested as a kid if my parents would use different language with maybe i don't know but all i know is a kid it was now you're gonna eat this way. And and here's why because you're fat or because you're overweight and it's not healthy in all of this stuff which just compounded how i felt badly about myself and made me rebel and and ultimately you know. I got really bad when i became autonomous and was making money and was rivers living for the moment and doing whatever i wanted with. No restraint but yeah. It was the first time i went. Hey i need help with this. I want to change. I will do whatever. Tell me which i think i also had success being sober in that way and in talking to people about sobriety like i have no interest in my wife is not sober and i have no interest in anyone in trying to make somebody sober like this is not my mission at all. In fact to the point where. I've had people say we talk my kid or will you talk to my friend and it's like now because it didn't work for me and i don't have the understanding of making it work for somebody else by creating with them or describing some utopian future by changing your behavior. I know it works when the individual goes. I wanna make a change. That's how that's how. I've seen it work. That's how i've experienced at work and so the kind of the same thing with food. I think if you ask yourself for many years your life if that stupid question that people are like that such a stupid question when you say you love yourself but it would have been easy for you to say. Fuck no it. Don't it sounds like right for most of your life. I could say that a lot of my life. I would probably say now. No i don't i. Sometimes i think i'm are i. I sometimes like myself. I love myself i talk. How do you love your sets a lot to say. It's just such a mind bottle that people you should be able to say you love yourself pretty easily and that always fucked with me because it never was easy to go. Yes i love myself. That's not something that occurs to me at all. So when did you start. Do i mean do you now feel like you're loving yourself more. i mean. obviously. I feel like it's been very helpful to be responsible for other people and by doing that. I have to be responsible for myself. And and and and i do think i've learned to have a certainly a higher level admiration for myself especially when it's like setting achieving goals in sticking to things that i've made decisions about because i was not good at that forever so this idea of love i don't know yet it's very abstract thing for me to you. Know you love other people. You love your kids. You love your wife. Obviously yes you know. You're on an airplane. And they tell you like if we have to do oxygen masks you gotta put your oxygen mask on first because if you pass trying to put your kids ask you to mask on. Then they don't get. There's either so in that way. I think that's a road to loving yourself right if you can. Yeah kind of play. This mental hopscotch. A little bit where you have to treat myself well. Because i have people dependent on me and i actually love my wife and the fact that she loves me and i and i don't have a really a critical thought about her leads me to believe. There's something lovable about me. Which absolutely gymnasts that. We have to play absolutely by the way before you started this big die. Which started you know losing weight. What was the most you ever way the most i ever weighed. A objectively where i saw on a scale was five thirty six but i did gain weight from that point so i say five fifty which fourteen pounds at that weight. That could have just been a little extra salt one night and a bunch of booze to get me up fourteen pounds but i did see five thirty six on a scale. Do you sometimes look back and go. How did i survive. How am i still here. Yeah it's wild. I mean there were there. Were as i said many nights that i was convinced i wasn't going to be here. You know. I think if i if i make it if i make it to the average life span of an american i. I'm going to be very proud of myself. we'll did. I'm glad you're alive. I'm glad you're here. You have a it's a. It's such an amazing story. And you're an amazing human being and i'm glad gives me hope because a lot of people hope that you know you find love sometimes and you find somebody who really loves you inside out and accepts you for who you are no matter what and that that does a lot for your mental wellbeing as left your soul. It's like when you can find someone who just like. wow. I cannot do. And i've done. I've dated people where i try to do. See i told you. I'd fuck up. See i'm a fuck up. See you should leave me and when someone sticks around and says no asshole i love you and you know there's just you know i'm glad you're here. This is the it's such a wonderful story. And i like seeing you and i don't like putting qualifications on i feel bad because i think if there's a a single person out there struggling with this i don't want them to think like they have to find love in order to make some change and so i think about sobriety because i did get sober before i met my wife which was in another was a battle and and i do think there is some truth in when we when you're talking about do you love yourself finding something to at least respect about yourself. Finding areas you contribute to others or whatever gives you that sense of decency or a the idea of belonging to a group. Whatever that group is whether it's a family or a group of friends or business or work or a fucking video game online community. Whatever it is now. I think that everybody can spend a minute in and locate some way that they have interactions with others and are contributing something. Even if you're just saying hi and smiley it's a barista at your local starbucks twice a week or something like this. So i i do feel bad sometimes talking about myself in what i've gone through in terms of brandy just because i don't want somebody to think like that's gonna fix you. Yeah i have to find sarai. It's been a shitload work. And i've gone back and forth. It wasn't a straight line. And i don't i don't believe that in order to make yourself better you have to have someone Significant other so. I just want i just wanted to add that on kids. I you often feel that. I do believe that everyone is capable of making some kind of change. And i don't think there should be qualifications i've heard so many times. People say you can't love someone you love yourself so i think there's some truth to that. Yeah i think you know. Sometimes i been relationships from like you know. I'm not i'm just not going to you. There's just no way and that's just all on me that's just me going. You're just having that love for yourself or they like to the fuck talking about every day. Yeah i am definitely not good enough for my wife. And i every day winning in this exchange i love that i love that i saw something on on the internet. It was probably what you're doing now but you were just ripped up. Radha tat tat. Did it was recent post and your sister-in-law julia. Louis namedrop said I'm sensing this guy is What's the word evil. So is that. Is that the role you're playing now. Yeah lot of fakes. Choose which strangely Many people on that post thought that i had overnight gotten a full body and face tattoos and the whole nine End growing my beard. Like they look good though. Those tasks look good. Yeah these guys are doing a great job. It really quick. This called shit talk. I'm just gonna ask you a few questions. Fans that could be fast. Rapid fire know. I'm interested in this. Somebody says You know connor walker. Do you have any funny stories experiences while filming the wolf of wall street and on top of that my question was i mean gimme something. What was it like working with. Uh scorsese for god's sakes. It was awesome. It was it was a lot of fun i the The only funny weird story was there there. We were filming kind of two different things. And and and me and the rest of the guys the the the brokers were kind of off on a break and then. I got a call like your needed on that close set and it was a closed at like nobody's allowed on set and i was like i'm needed. What am i needed for. And there were like you just have to go in there and i went in and somebody was like. We can't figure out how to do cocaine asshole. Can you heard you and i was. I mean how do you do that. It's almost like sucking up a fart or sucking up air from your asshole. You load it into a straw and then you apply pressure to one into the straw in the cocaine comes at the at the other into the cell you help them. I helped them. But i'm just saying i was the guy called to the guy who can help us with batman's that's when you should have known all right. I gotta get my shit together. That's it that's rock out of. I've been sober point for almost ten years. So i'll okay. You know some of the people involved in that movie were had known me prior. And we're like he knows outta do this. Well look man. This has been extraordinary. I hope you enjoyed it i i. It's very inspiring to me. And i love hearing the story and it's just because i didn't know it. It's a lot of times. You know you and i haven't had a conversation like this ever and so if this is what it takes getting to know you a little bit more on kind of knowing a little inside your an what goes on inside your head and all that but i i really appreciate you. You coming on air thank you. You're a great conversationalist. This was really fun. Do thanks man. This is great. I really love doing this. And i have such. Add that put the headphones on. It just helps just makes me. Just listen and i'm sort of forced to listen but it's it's very easy to listen to you when you speak eloquently in mind. You have to come when i get back to. La you have to come online and we'll talk about health and fitness. I would love that. I love you all my best to you. Kicks amass thank you. I loved ethan story. I thought it was a lot of people won't talk about the things that happened in their lives in things that have happened in their lives. That are so hard. Know you know. He went through to go through heroin addiction to go through. You know most of his life use obese and didn't love himself and didn't like being recognized and you heard all that and Now he's an inspiration you see. The guy has gotten his life together. He's he's lost so much weight he's Strengthened more importantly. I think is that. He's learning to love himself and that's shows yet he's capable of it wasn't really about the losing of the way. It was just making sure that you were okay with you know with who you are and So that was pretty special. So thanks for listening again. If you want to follow the podcast ryan. Oh at inside of you. Pod on twitter at podcast on instagram and facebook and please write a review. Please subscribe if he really enjoyed this today. I appreciate it. You could also joined the wonderful patriot and family that support the podcast and so many ways and keep this thing afloat really There's different tiers. Where yet boxes of merch and a letter from me. Every couple of months and Get to ask guests questions There's so much that the patron involves and if you join patriot dot com slash inside of you. I'll write you a message after and just become such a great family. 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Smallvilles Laura Vandervoort: Gut Check & NXIVM

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:09:43 hr | 3 months ago

Smallvilles Laura Vandervoort: Gut Check & NXIVM

"You are listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum. I hope you're having a lovely day. Maybe you're in the car right now. Just on my voice and ryan's tariffs gush effects special effects. Which is he's feisty. Today ryan ryan's fights comes segment mental health. Check in how you doing how are you. I'm alright what. I went on a run and that helped look good. You're starting to do things that you're not doing things constantly working. But it's doing things for yourself that the odd thing. I have a friend. Who's in town stressful. No that's a good thing you get out of the house. I get out of the house and actually in play. Music is my friend of on since high school together. You play music together. Oh yeah you did an album with him. Yeah yeah like that can listen to that. Tell more to get a go to or recalled connie's spelled m. a. t. a. c. a. n. e. s. Yeah take a listen. It's really good. There's one song in particular. I liked on spotify. What's the song alike. Probably suckered in suckered in. Yeah yep there you go Take a listen ryan's a talented talented guy. And he's not only talented at Editing but a lot of other things singing acting loving living live love and the day to day watch. We're going to get like yelled out. Bison long enough or good enough. Thank you for listening guys very special guest on the podcast today. If you're here for laura. I really encourage you to support the podcast because we have so many great guests. And i really think you're gonna like and if you do please subscribe. Please subscribe on youtube If you're watching it or if you wanna listen apple or stitcher or spotify it means the world to me and i really believe you're gonna like it. I'm here for laura. I hope you'll stick around maybe writer review but I won't get my hopes up but also the handles ryan what are the handles on the social. They are at anxiety pod on twitter ad side of the podcast on facebook and instagram. Yeah that's exactly right. And i i read this last week but You know i. I just like this. I need to get into it. But you can't wait until life isn't hard anymore before you decide to be happy. You can't wait until life isn't hard anymore before you decide to be happy. I want you to think about that. Because i thought about it. And it makes a lotta sense that you take with it. What you will Laura really opened up. Today she She opened up last time. But this time is different because we get to see her on video. So you get to watch the beautiful laura. And she's very articulate. She was open honest and forthcoming all that stuff and I really appreciated this interview. So let's not even wait around Before that i will tell you if you want to join patriot The lovely paper patron community. It's like a family. If you don't know what it is check it out. It supports the podcast and other ways. 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You were on here about A while ago about a while ago two years ago. I think i had you on. Just did audio you okay with adjusting fine. You are yes. First of all he coronary well. Nobody puts baby in the corner guys from. I hope you know that's from. You should be listening to podcasts. If you don't know that trump's from thirty dancing second did you notice. I know you're a big hoorah family me and that's why we get along so well. Did you notice. All the posters are of course. Which movies have you seen. Have you seen fright. Night evil dead. I haven't seen a lot of like more classic ones. I'm going to have to write you a list feel like you did. At one point obviously dracula. Yes aliens the thing yes ago. Return on a return of the living dead. Okay let super into the zombie like the psychological thriller like that. Which is one. Niger shot you. what was called lack. Okay first of all. I say bag. I'm canadian big bad. It's called black bag. Not black bag. Right but i have to say that word the they tell you how you should beg again. No i just consciously like before. I say the word say bad bad bag not didn't for this interview. That's when it doesn't matter. My podcast doesn't matter So he did a horror movie psycho thriller. Yeah and it's a little india. I remember talking to you about this. So you know it's great because you do these projects like handmaid's tale and Supergirl and all these stars and whatever blah blah blah but you make a little money but on the independent films. You probably don't make much money none none whatsoever but you make something to pay you right enough to enough to get by and pay your bills. Yeah the per diem. also helps but Give for per diem hundred and fifty bucks sixty five sixty five dollars a day. That's pretty well not on your days off because sixty five. I'm trying to build a fence. So you're trying to build the fence at your house my first house but This is a good movie because let me tell you something. I am horrified for lack of a better word. Because i've been watching a lot of harm movies and you could see some mike tweets. I did a tweet. it's a deer horror. Would ha where are you what happen to you with. This isn't horror this is this is a thriller. This is about two women whose lives kind of collide due to unforeseen circumstances and all i can give anything away. It's it's an indie film. The script was great And i haven't seen two female leads in awhile. That have written have been written so while i mean this woman woman. I was originally written by a man rewritten. A woman go figure right there you go. Yeah and The the this is the first time. I've done a film where it's basically a play. I was doing toll pages a day. Just like monologue. So you're good with dialogue now. I mean you've always been pretty good with it. If it's well written it's it's completely easy to memorize right close. But the ones that aren't that are trouble You also might my by dogar of past as you know and it was very honest. Thank you because you sent me a nice message and it was really sweet and it was I know you made me a t shirt with herbs face on it once remember that s so. That was very kind. You know ryan lord scared ryan's never on the on the air. You know she's canadian. Can you give me three canadian Words to iraq. It's a hat dini yes. Poteen it's not really a canadian word to get sinus. that is it's fries with gravy and cheese curd team. I've never been those the looney lucious one dollar and the tuning tools. Yeah can you name three provinces in canada. This was going to happen. Yeah british columbia. Alberta and Let's see sketch. One moose jaw schedule. That's correct Do you find it unnerving when you get a job in canada they hire you because they know they pay a lot less of course. When is that going to stop a higher for. Us productions that are filming in canada and yet they pay you canadian rates. Because you're from canada. Well yeah i mean some. You can get deals. Like like smallville. I was egg sag right so they give you a better deal right so you can try to negotiate that but yeah if they're looking for a tax write off i mean. The thing is in canada. We have a lot of really talented crew and cast and writers directors but they the american shows come in and take over and then we really only get cast for small guest stars Which is fine like we. It's not fine. But we all wanna work and i think canadians are working actors. We don't obviously we care about the craft but we just like to consistently work like i'll do a big show like handmaid's are like jigsaw or whatever and then i'll also do tiny films that feed my soul. The big ones. Don't you seem very. I don't know you have a good energy about you today tired. It's not maybe maybe you're tired. I don't know what it is but not that the last time because last time was a great interview but this time he just. I don't know you feel more together. Maybe do you think it's because age old. Don't get into age with me and don't get an age guises of people that are older than you but i know you move back home. You get kind of tired of the la scene. Kinda tired of hollywood maybe tired of dating which we of course talk about but you move back home you live near your folks you live near sister currently with my sister you live with your sister so what happens. Just sorta do just open okay. Well first of all. I love my family so like a big deal over. I was shooting show in toronto when the pandemic hit and My sister has two kids and her husband. So i went to live with them. Because i someone broke my heart. I had a really bad break up. I lost the house in toronto. Kinda didn't have anywhere to go. So i moved in with her for what i thought would be like two weeks for this weird pandemic thing to help with the kids like i did hold home schooling. And all of that four months later i was still home schooling and Luckily they got a sitter eventually. But i'm still living there. I bought a house. It's being demoted now. So you're not gonna continue where. I'm just going back for like three more months until my house is ready. I think we have similarities. I think that you know we like everyone out there. Who hate saying this but we ever we all want to be happy and sometimes it gets convoluted what we think. Happiness is so we don't look at our lives. We forget that we had success or have success. Or what we're doing or where you know. All these great things are happening our life and we the attention is Gets kinda put in place where we're focusing on other people's success and we're comparing it to ours and then it looks as though like even like your sister. She has two kids. she's married. And i know you. So i know you think that success that's happiness. Why can't i have that right. We look at other people. I have friends that are married and have kids going to school. And i you know i'm sometimes alone and a mike. You know wound forty eight years old and do you ever. I mean you're not as old as i am but do you think sometimes you're chasing the wrong things that you think suddenly the same things that you're after the matt because we're insatiable we get a job and we feel good for. I got a job acting. And i'm acting and then that kind of it goes away. So it's not sustainable. So maybe what. My grandmother and other people have been trying to tell me from long. Time is have a family you have. They'll do all the other things but it fills the void in between so. Do you think that your sister you look up to her like god. I wish i had your life either. As portions of can laugh She's a great woman. Great mom bad ass like right now. She's handling my renos basically for me. She's got a job. Two kids a husband. Like i can't keep up with everything is scheduled. Everything is organized. I admire that. I am and she's so fucking smart. I am not that kind of smart Do this to myself. All the time ryan knows that i constantly say Just not that smarter than people. There's constantly like yeah like you know the street smart. There's book smart. There's common sense smart. I don't know where ally. I don't know where you lie either. You're a little of everything roy. How would you describe me. What kind of smart. You will kind of smart my. You're like oh okay great. I don't know healing street. Smart but also i wouldn't say book smart. I think you're just intellectually. You're not an idiot. No i think you use the skills you have and and use them wisely. I know how to use my skills to the best of their abilities. Yeah what you're good at into economic nominate you for jeopardy but also not going to do all right in jeopardy. I'm not going to take you to like to a drug dealer there. You're like somewhere in between the street. Smart and your medium smart a medium smart medium smart. I think a lot of us are medium smart. I think that's okay. I think you're smarter than i think ryan's naturally i think ryan's a lot of common sense but this isn't about him no But but but happiness is like. That's what i'm always wondering. I'm always thinking doing everything wrong. And how long. I'm i going to chase this. Because you know. I've i've talked to people who don't get started chasing fame because that's a dead end road. Don't start chasing fame and start chain. I need more followers because you look online sometimes and you're like i never smith. I ju yeah it's never enough right. You look online. I just made the funniest video. And i got fifteen thousand views or whatever the fuck it what this all means nothing in the real world. No you can't die with those views. No legacy family does what i'm saying. Is i look at that. And then i'll send i saw. I see somebody who has three million followers and three hundred thousand people like to pose of them doing a yoga pose. Like three hundred thousand this fucking yoga pose fan base no. It's not that it's like. I don't have that meant as many fans so what i'm saying. Is you start to compare and like what are you doing. You made fifteen thousand people happy with your post what are you. What are you comparing yourself. That's what i do a lot. I compare and i was talking about. Don't compare but i think we compare ourselves and we're like if we just in the moment do you do that. Which part in. Why are you yelling Do you do you tend to post something and then go look at this look at this. I'm i'm i'm human. I'm in an industry where the social media is necessary. In fact i just worked with an actress. Who makes a lovely prophet on catering her social media to branding and she was teaching me a little bit for me. It's a tool. Of course there's days where you're feeling like shit about yourself and you're like no you know you look at your posts and how many people commented and what's negative but i really just try to view it as a business a use it as a tool to promote my work to talk about products i liked. Talk about eco. Friendly happy though. Do you see a rise in happiness. Tons of people like no one likes it. So you like. Oh it's perceive. Oh of course which is why wrote my home. Which is about that really. What's it called My soul to take one directed. Ooh yeah so. You're doing a lot of stuff now. Do you tend to do a lot of stuff because you really love doing it. You wanna do it or is part of it that you want to prove yourself. One hundred percent both hundred percent as a woman. And i've been acting since i was twelve of always been an actress. I don't think i'm a stellar actress. I think a working actor. And so i want to show that i can do other things. The definitely approve yourself. Part to writing and directing and i've been producing but also i really enjoyed it like i i enjoy. I enjoy the control. my soul to take looks. Beautiful had crude. I'll send you a link from canada. My composer was stellar. Like it was a lot of women But you just said something. A few minutes ago you said to myself as stellar actress. Is that true. Do you look at yourself. And say i know what i'm good good you think are good. I think i'm good. You know you're good and getting better. Yeah i don't think you're great. You don't think you know. I think i'm i'm i'm going to say it's hard to somebody said. Are you a great actor. I'm not gonna compare myself to you. Know meryl streep. I think i'm a working actor who do a good job you know. That's why i get cast in shows. That i do because i i can bring it and leave and you know handmaid's if i died that yet but i hear that you have. It's a fantastic role. Can i spoil it. Yeah i mean if you haven't watched it yet just just mute the next few minutes but supposedly you poison all these men while they're having this big party and you just kill them all all the commanders. Yeah a my friend. Alex who listened to the podcast said she's really great. Man thanks academe. I think. Just an aside as i'm getting older. I'm like sitting into things more and i'm finding it much quicker. You know back on. Smallville giving tears stick. I need like an hour. I need to look videos of dogs. Being put down like i need to do that. And now it's like okay. Just let me know more rolling. Gimme a minute and then like i know where it is now. I feel comfortable in it. Like i experienced life for thirty six years and i wanna share this. I'm always on edge. I feel like i'm always. I have like my whole life's been mapped great. I have to be great at this. I have to come through a half to show them that. I'm great. i can't. I have to know my lines. Instead i have class in that drives me up a wall where i wish i could sit there and say have settled into myself. I'm fine i'm fine. I can just do this. i know what i'm doing. It's not that. I don't know what i'm doing but i ask second guess myself a lot. I think that's normal like i still do that. The the project. I just did was an indie film so i felt very comfortable to explore. There wasn't really a clock. Ticking we would do three takes an idea the director if you get what you want and you have time. Give me one in. Just tell me to play. And when i got to play ended things that i would never have been comfortable with when i knew they might use the take like this was like. Oh it's a throwaway take. I'm going to do this now. Like i change. I lay down. I get on the floor. Do weird shit and then it turns out being great. Because i i knew i'd done my job. I knew the lines. And now i can play when you get a role. Are you immediately nervous. Yeah i'm like. Why did the cast me. They're gonna fire me. I hear that a lot from lassiter's and then you settle in once you learn the line you start to get into it a couple of days in right so give yourself a couple of days to just the you're going to be nervous you're going to be this and then you'll start to get into it. That sort of thing. Also that project. I was talking about was replacing actress. Four days before production wistar aerosols. That's hard there's that A second choice thing. I've been listening to me. I've made my career being someone's second choice. I have i have They have recast using me in in many enroll and they're like what rosenbaum's probably available. Let's get him to do it. I don't i don't mind it I think i got frustrated. My ego definitely was up there with you. Know i should be getting bigger roles as history of. That's the way i can. I just on my shed do. I really needed to audition for this. Come watch cocky asiago sending the real what the fuck amine cinema seen. What can i do. And then i realize no matter who you are no matter what you're doing you gotta prove yourself and unless you're deniro the i realize that years ago and then that you know kind of it makes you a little bit more. What's the word ryan. It makes you feel it makes well. It's definitely what we definitely more humble. It's it's humbling to think. Hey the fucker you did. Yeah he did some good work. This great work. If you want to do more great work you're gonna have to fuck and bust your ass for it like everybody else does. And that's what i did realize right and also just keeping those muscles active doing these indie films that feel good for your soul and trying things out. I mean for for a handmaid's i booked it. I had to do three. Auditions and i was two days out from my days. Starting my days onset pandemic it. 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So we did all of her coverage though when they turned around on me. She told me her standing was gonna do her lines. She was going to go home so as wasn't like it was a respect thing it was going to say. I know you're not gonna say who's worth a shot cheese. Can you imagine. I've had other bad you know i did. I did an hbo show that i left. I didn't go back and they apologize for what had happened. What happened little metoo stuff really ants. I yeah i didn't return. And and i was like. Oh god they're never gonna. Hbo's never gonna work with me again and it was just that particular and you say at the medicine on social media mentioned. No it wasn't a it wasn't like a director thing it was it was anyway something made you uncomfortable. Yes very uncomfortable and you said i'm not coming back. I don't feel safe. I went to my hotel room that night and called major and i was shaking But again it wasn't a direct thing. It was the environment of the show. And what they were doing especially with like sudden rewrites where you're doing something that wasn't script was not appropriate But it wasn't hbo. It was that environment whomever was running the show with allowing that right. So i've had different situation when you go on a show like supergirl right If you go on a show and super grow and you played supergirl that's gotta be a weird thing to say. Okay i'm going to be a guest star on a show called supergirl. When i was super girl in smallville and then was that was that a fun experience. It was okay so we don't wanna talk about this. We don't wanna talk of this. Because i talked to erica durant's who was on there and you know She said it was fine. It was fine where the people nice some of them. Yeah some of them are really nice. Yeah yeah and fuel nice. Yeah some of them. Didn't some of them didn't the character was fun. I was blue. And i was a villain and it was very different. I'm parlaying. I'm pivoting giving do it. Your blue play all right It's got to be like. I don't think i could do it. Like for instance. There was a show called lex. Luther and they said hey we want you come into play a character. I don't know. I don't know if i'd feel i. It depends my ego. Would say there's only one fucking lex luther. Definitely he goes. Say good enough role. Maybe i would think differently. But if i got on set and i was people are acting little weird to me or something and it's always different for guys guys had a lot easier. Women don't women it's not easy. It's not easy always having to look right and always having to be thin and always having to you know it's all about your looks and you guys could grow a beard in go. I think i got an audition. Have you had four beers and no one gives a shit getting beard. Shaving my beard i and i have a new segment. I'm calling it. It's called how you doing This is a mental health check. And just how you doing and it could be anything. So laura hayden that's a broad question will ultimately how you feeling how you're for instance ryan how you doing doing okay. I'm right notes that's I'm i'm i'm i'm doing well In a much better place than the last time i was here i just started listening to my gut and changes everything listening to your gut. Your gut always knows doesn't it does and you always think I think you're wrong. How often do we date someone in your gut says get out but you say there's just a subtraction and maybe my guts wrong and i'm just like what i and you end up right where you knew you'd end up five years. I'm sorry was. I'm not a personal story But were you so you do you. Do you have a propensity to. I like this word to date. Actors mostly date actors. Don't you people in the industry. Yeah would you rather not. Why did you do that. I don't wanna date anymore actors. Excuse excuse me why do you why do you. Why do you think you do that. Why do you think Honestly it's just the only people that i meet right. Also i like the energy. I like personality alike quirkiness and he. You don't often get that if you're gonna data banker you know and they don't understand the lifestyle they don't understand the weird things that we do as actors to prepare. You know like. I go to places you go. How dr can you answer that. Well i mean i. Is it one of those things where you're drinking a half a fifth of whiskey. You're listening to mazzy star for forty minutes straight and you're going canadian. I hate my life anymore. I mean what is it what happens. I'd say like fifty percent that it's more like red wine. No i just. I just i just sort of separate myself from society and like shut off a little bit. That's i have my you know my tools. What's the go-to if you want a good cry and we know a lot of times we want a good cry so we do something that would provoke a good cry like. There's a certain song. If the played that i could cry to let one fade into you by mazzy star. That is a song. That's a that's a trigger may be sailing. Christopher cross i could definitely tear up on that one big world by it's got your fears is a to world wide world nod world. That's one that. I always listen to before a heavy scene and you can get going. You know my my therapist. Say thank you feed into it a little bit. I think you're like self aware it's like here. I go into my darkness and this is kind of cool and it's good to feel dark and in so many words. I don't think i'm articulating it. Well what you're saying. do you do that. I used to yeah and then i realized it was super unhealthy. It is so now. It's it's just like like i said you. You have to just have a spot in you that you can go into and it's it's easier you don't have to sit in it for months you know while you're shooting something my therapist said you know what listen to mazzy star fade into you mega really. She's yeah once so don't listen to five times. You're torturing yourself so that's why don't date actors anymore because they're just they're too much on too much. Yes yes yeah well we we dated yet. We did and we're still good friends we are. That's it took a while. It took a little while but there was I think there's more there's an understanding a very good understanding that we have with each other now but also it wasn't you know it was it was. It was a time. It was a nice time. We had some great times. I just moved to la and you similar to when we were shooting in vancouver you the first person to kind of reach out and say i got you and took me out on the town so we both had significant others at the time. I was dating someone. You were dating someone who was very very friendly and again you guessed and i was like you know yester- you season seven. You were eating. How many times you going to recur superhero. Do you miss the conventions genus. Going to khan's i feel like the thing. I dislike the most about conventions. I'm still doing which is traveling But i do miss meeting the people. I miss like hanging out with you guys in the green room and doing the panels and shooting you with nerf. Guns is almost took. My i got your head and you had just had neck surgery. So i shouldn't have me in the eye. Okay well i'm sorry your But other than that like. I just did alive Signing were starting to do. These live conventions on instagram. I did it yesterday. And people by the items on dot com. Yeah so strongly dot com slash. Hang on i gotta strongly dot com slash laura of and avert and you can buy your posters your eight by tens. I'm gonna start selling Some of the paintings people saw me doing that. They wanted to buy sell smoltz. Crips on there. But i'm going to do live signings in the schedule them like maybe once among people ill tune in and watch me sign their items and then we send it. I miss cons i do. I miss the people. I miss this. Just this mutual respect and love and a great energy. And you know it's nice. It's nice to go these places and you know. See people that you've seen before and there's another fans and i'll see you feed off of energy that's try did for me. It's like i can do it. But then i need recovery. Time it drains. I enjoy but look for me by the end of these days. I'm definitely spent. And that's because i give so much of myself that within an hour like hey what's going on. How are you all my just want everybody to feel special and at the end of the day. You're just you're wiped out if you do well if you do it the right way. If you're just sit there and sign and don't talk to people in like don't ask a matter. Don't he's not gonna do it. Why go to these fucking cones. Because we've circus. Who's your favorite actor. You've worked with that. You really would like this. Guy's a professional and just fund arco or or or actor. They say what i say. Or i said guy said actor and then this guy is fine. What's actor Actors find for both I mean elisabeth. Moss just blows me away. Just 'cause she's an ep and director and lead and i watched her like seamlessly flow between those roles and graciously and humble and and kind so watching her was incredible And then joseph gordon levitt. I worked with when i was younger. And he blew me away really. Yeah what about ian some holder. Yeah he seems like a lovely guy He was on smallville and he was big following. Doesn't he okay empire. Diaries one of the guys last time we talked about that. Whole thing with You know the nexium. Yeah the holes going on trial. I think this alison she is and i remember. We talked about that. But i hadn't really seen next the the show. It was a call down to write the valiant. Seen it where you blown away when you watched it. Yeah how did you feel after watching that. Sad sad sad for her but also Hurt but she came for me too. So were you close to doing it. you think. I wasn't not claiming she invited me. It was that weekend. I just couldn't or to do think you could have gone through because when you watch the first episode i said this before in a podcast i was like i'm an. I'm fucking in. These people are motivational. They're here to help you. They're supportive they invite you in and if you're at all vulnerable you could easily slip inside this this world and think this is gonna help me the best i can be and unfortunately and i think that's why everybody got into it and then all the shit happens it makes you question everything you also wonderful. You're in it. You would re how quickly you would realize what it was like. it took them awhile. yet And i was enclosed with allison. So i i. I struggled with my feelings about it because i had always wanted to get to know her when we were shooting. Yeah and then the one time she did reach out to me. Years after smallville was for that so it was kind of a weird. Will you her kind. I just moved. La 'cause she she found out. I just moved two thousand ten of them. Yeah i don't know and was it. A big sell. Was it like a no. It was a very soft sell it like in terms of always you know he come join us and we'll do your books women's group and it's this much money and thought about i thought about it also thought it sounded odd as listening weird here because she's never talked to me about you know she really never talk to you on the set. She she would in passing. We never really had scenes together. Choose pleasant to you but not overtly. Yeah she didn't need to be. We never worked together. I never spent time which i was off when she reached out. How did you feel about. I figure i was just in denial with tom. We were just now. I really didn't pay attention to it for a while until it was in. Everyone's face around the news. Well so i didn't know her. Well i was on set with her. We'd seen together. I directed her She was always sweet. She was always always. Newer line's always gave one hundred percent. it was a joy to work with You never think in a million years that that would happen and you go back though you back. You like Like you saw that. She needed attention. But i'm like okay. I need attention union attention. We all need attention. But i don't know what she was. I didn't know her well enough because it was obvious that she needed something she needed. Something else and i don't think it was what it ended up being. I think she just thought i need some. I wanna be loved. I wanna be in a group that i feel comfortable be the best i can be. She didn't go in knowing. Of course not so. You can't walter for that. I think they should just got lost. It's kind of like a break-up in that you think you know someone and then you find out they cheated and then you'd go back moment by moment trying to figure out where things were starting to unravel so for her. When you say you're going back thinking about her onset over the years it's it's that same thing. Yeah do you or your parents to kind of folks that give you call after. They saw something say he were just great. We loved you. Do you get that from both your mom and dad. Ni- dad communicates through my mom. I my mom takes the electron device and text me on my dad's not much of a texter remembers call you and say we saw handmaid's yes she will. It's it's oftentimes just like a whatsapp. Um in the mizoram person shall zana's while so she does she gives you commends. You support like the i started. I was twelve they. She was long journey with me so for her now. She still wants to read scripts. And i send her them. I took this project on. Read it yes you know. She re entry reads and she gave the she'd give any notes. Yeah she'll give notes on things. I write as well. She likes to help. Correct grammar doesn't get too involved now. My dad's my dad He's very supportive. They both are but my dad's more stand off with that stuff. I guess what about when you you know things. Like if you're unclothed or like for instance she did a pita thing years ago. No but were like you know you did it because it was trying to help raise money for for animals and things like that we get it and you did it and it was just kind of but it was. He bothered by like that. You didn't weren't wearing these clothes or reason why you never talked about it now. My ma i don't know if he ever saw it they knew it was doing it. My mom's i but no. I never talked about him. It if there's projects that they wanna watch that amend and there's an appropriate thing. I'll just say just be aware now. If you've ever had to show your muslims took a turn noordin if you ever had to show like if i had to show my wang chung you now if i had to show something would you know we're not on howard stern would you. I'm just saying. Would you tell your parents. Well i would tell them you would. I would tell my mom who had been eventually. Pass it on my dad's i don't have to directly. Tell him but i also don't do those roles. I mean look if somebody asked me. Spielberg had a role. And he's like listening. We're going to see your schnitzel and you know. This is the i would probably say. Hey mom and dad. I don't want you to see this movie. Because i really feel uncomfortable. If you saw me my weiner because if there's one thing that steven spielberg is known for is asking his actors to shuffle trump's rally. I'm just wondering how you tell your parents got for me. I would be like. Oh my god. I want the to this. Yeah you just tell them. Don't don't watch it even. If it's a little provocative like i've had some sex scenes in smallville that i think got a little heated. I don't know if they cut. I remember say. Don't watch this episode. Now that they did. But i. But i felt uncomfortable. I feel kind of you know my my family's kind of weird like that. 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Let's talk about Let's talk about covert and the pandemic and how you did as an extroverted person. Who likes to our friends on all the time. Was that really tough for you. I was thinking about that. You know what i did. I ordered a ton of food from the grocery store. I loaded up the refrigerator. And i took pictures of the refrigerator. All the food is in there. And i ate a lot and i cooked a lot. Is you take pictures of it. Because they just loved having a stocked fridge personal restaurant. Jusqu'a look at bed at night in. Scroll through your phone root beer. I got sprite. And i got you know. I've got all these lineup cans. It was like a concession. Stand as just say all these ships and had oranges grapefruits lemon. I had so much. Good stuff in there that i just wanted to take a picture of all the great stuff. I had doesn't answer the question. I'm thinking of what i did. I watched a lot of movies. Him away what you did. I'm asking how you doing i struggled. I struggled i struggled like a lotta people and a lot of people struggle way more than i did but i definitely struggled for my mental. Health wasn't great. It wasn't great. Not conversing with people not hanging out with people but i did have my friend rob who he had cove it early on so once he got through that i felt safe with him and we started recording a lot of music and play music and that saved me. That was my savior and a lot of darkness and things. It was very cathartic to to write the album for sons spin I don't know if you heard the album yet you should. I think you'd like it. I worked hard on it. A lot happened to you during yell. I lost my grandfather. But he was right before cove. It started so. I lost irvin on thanksgiving right the november before so just months before that. The last thing i did was went with tom. Welling to go to sign autographs. And that's when they were starting to wear masks. Don't wear masks wear math. Doa math rosenbaum were met. It was kinda like nobody knew. What the hell's going different lockdown l. a. I left a day early from mexico. Boom jet jetted home. And next thing. I know i am in my home for a week and then i go. This is going to be done and remember conversations everyday to have conversations of. Yeah we'll be done with this in a month two months. Oh my god. It's an my grandma calling me and crying. And i miss my my irv e. and then me. It was an emotional. It was a lot. And there's a lot and i haven't Society therapist i do. I need to see when more. But i see i see my therapist and You know i get lost. I get lost. Sometimes i feel like you just can't be helped and i feel like you're an idiot. Of course you could help. This is exactly the mentality that you cannot have that when you're talking to people on the podcast and you're like you know you can get through this. This is the only life we get. It is true managed with as far as we know this is it. We have to do whatever it takes. And if you don't take a step forward if you don't take a walk if you don't take a little hike if you don't go play with your dog if you don't do things that make you happy. Make you smile. If you don't do these things. Yes you are going down a black hole. you're going downward spiral and there's no getting out of it. Unless you take that first step and so i do that man i find myself down low and then one thing trigger a response go. Wow i did that. I felt good will. Why don't you do it again. Yeah and that's what i do did you. How were you. And i saw helping my sister with her kids but Then i went into the project and had in vancouver or no in ontario. We were the first production back in ontario like a month or whatever it is for munson to the pandemic and So i had to rent an apartment. So i was separate from her and the kids and my first quarantine of fourteen days. This'll i saw. This'll be my fourth quarantine going back. His candidate still in lockdown. So my first quarantine of fourteen days was in a small apartment on the twentieth floor. In the winter i was super depressed And that's when. I wrote my first film so you i just was. I just leaned into it and you did the work. It is what she did. You knew that this is what i have to do to create something. This is going to get bad. Get worse get worse. Yeah well. I'm i'm super proud. If if it means anything. I i really always wanna see you. Thrive i always want to see you happy and it just makes me really makes me happy when i hear that you're doing nice things and you're taking care of yourself. It's time for she talking with laura vandort. These are van questions. My from my lovely patriot. If you wanna join patriot patriotic slash inside of you Message after and So wonderful family and check it out. Patriot dot com slash inside. This is from kalima g. Which one would you rather have the ability to understand and talk to animals or the ability to speak and understand all languages. I think the ability to speak and understand all languages. I gotta go with that one ryan languages to wouldn't it be great to just go to like a. Gimme the the the bangkok or what's what's a similar site. Suburbia not suburbia serbia. So hervey movie. What languages street-smart what's that big frozen country no way. No it's not. Even it's part of russia siberia iberia siberians to start talking to someone or being like vietnam or be what just to be able to understand everybody. That's the key to happiness in this world man if we could just understanding indication to indication of how great would it be able to talk to your dog. I do every day. Yeah but to actually doggy park. You go crazy. Should go with me to doggy. Part leeann p memory of your time on smallville. I wanted to say my first time in the harness flying freely. Yeah and then on like that was by myself There was a moment where they have me on the water tower. And i stand up and do supergirl thing. And i vote pretty cool Otherwise it was probably when. Tom was directing and you had to get shot. That whole thing was quite an experience for me. Oh yeah were you directing no tunstall director the reaction out of you until you visit bam know. Holy shit yeah. He scared the shit. I mean he did. He did a couple of times. Tom prick kelly. S this well. I don't know when i'm reading this. When while working on the set of small did you have any conflicts or issues with michael. Don't be a smart ass. Yeah although i did think you're really charming and sweet. Cute data conflict. Well conflict for me. I remember the day you brought your girlfriend. Who said my boyfriend was onset rove okay. That was just like you. You can be attracted other people. It's healthy to be relationship attracted other people. that's just. that's life matt. w was your spaceship on smallville. Cgi or did they actually build out of foam or something like that spaceship. That i have questions for. I don't think addis spaceship. Unless i'm forgetting ship in some barn or some factory i'm gonna say cgi cgi in and if we were if we had seen it. It was a practical. I do remember a scene with allison in something. Mechanical might have been ship was a tangible. Was it real. can you touch it. Okay little lisa. What's been your most memorable moment at a con probably This is just something. I heard out of convention. The the seats were filling up for one of our panels. Are if you were there. Her this and i guess two people were fighting over a seat and someone took pan out and poke the other guy in the. I like pocket protector pen. Got him in the eye just to get the seat moment. That's just memorable tense moment on the cat. That's my seat. I'm here cara. Cara cara her i. I'm sure more memorable ones usually. It's just like green room stuff though. Germany see i already answered this so she answered this. Who's your favorite actress to work with. And she said elizabeth so there you go. You had so many people that i thought were great to remember. Clint eastwood as a director was so sweet. Made me feel so good at midnight. In the garden of naval i just remember goes you know i had to cry and this one thing and you know the end up cutting that scene but i remember he is my first moment. Spacey's there and john kusak there. And i have to cry and after the courtroom scene and i'm sitting there and i'm just listen fleetwood mac in my headphones trying to think of something sad my grandma and he comes over and sits next to me and he just kind of puts his hands on his face and he goes pretends he's cries. Gosh now mike a client and he goes well. I'm just trying to make loosen up a little bit. And i kinda smile and he goes. Just we've got all day. Just let this happen naturally. Just you when you're ready. You let me know. Oh it's going to be great. It's amazing he got up and walked away. And i kinda just from their got the confidence and i remember looking at 'em about a minute later. And he was behind the camera and i give me a thumbs up his and i go thumbs up. There was no action. Said he looked at his dp said jack and he did that little rolling sound with his finger and said everything started to go in place. The lights the camera that everybody was where they needed to be where they had to be and we went in and he pushed in on me. Pushed on me goes right. I'll how'd that feel and i go. Well had it. How did you feel and he goes out. Felt great to me. And i go on another one ago. Okay one more and like in the sweetest bike. Those fantastic on the next takeaway recognize the jury a little bit like in the courtroom scene. Just like little notes little things. He didn't come at me over the. You know i gotta do this. You got to do this one or two things. Gentle relaxed atmosphere. I was at my best gets a one of my better performances. Because i was really relaxed and comfortable and confident. That's the thing that That i've been finding it's it's obviously the environment of the set. It's it's the level of which the director talks to you but for me. It's it's someone checking if you're okay. There's something triggering to that. Hey you're okay you're like god. Yeah no i'm fine and it immediately just like makes you want to get emotional kosovans checking in on you like if i do a crying scene. An director comes over after his like. That was greed. You want another one. And i'm like normal. Get you want water. Non find uk as soon as they ask. If i'm okay i ball. You have to know what each actor needs some actors. I don't want you near me. I don't need you got this. Some actors need a little love. Some actors need a little. That's just who we are as humans. We only different things. I remember alison on swamp directing episode. Remember she came up and she had to cry in the scene and she goes michael he just and we're about to roll called me or oh no. She said he told me that story about your grandmother. But my grandmother ruth you passed them and i started to tell her the story and said her is just went watery and let's roll cameras at an action and it just was really nice moment. Lisa h i absolutely loved you in the remake. Avi i think the dynamic of your character of dynamic your character is so dynamic so interesting. What was your favorite memory of working on that show and did you feel the cancellation of it was premature. And that was from who that was from. Lisa h hello. Lisa h Thank you. V was an interesting beasts because My character lisa basically was a lizard In human skin. So i wasn't allowed to remote very much which was interesting. Everything had to be very calculated and subtle I had a lot of fun playing the role Do think it was. It ended too soon. We had a great following. It was abc. People were loving it. But i just think you know. They didn't know where to take it. The producers weren't communicating. We got a call got three calls in one day. Hey we're getting we're just going to be miniseries. Hey were going to get another season. Hey we just got cancelled and then there was hours apart so they know newell was happening and we still don't know why it was broken canceled. I've at the time you know. 'cause i was like this gabrieli movie last job. We always think that yeah tom. And what's your favorite property kept from. Tv's or movies and no longer have it. Because i sold everything off to on my phone. No i did yeah. It was the biggest seller my krypton bracelet. How march remember the thousand. I think it was like to buy. I'd have turns him. Maybe i should sell my lex luther. It's actually a. It's the trench coat that i wore when i was odd. Yeah i built for me. I wonder if i sold that for charity. I could do one of my charities and give it to charity. That'd be great. I sold off our crew warmup jacket that said smallville season seven eight anything that i could do to create this film that i wanted to. I was willing to part with that stuff. Although i'm i'm fairly sad about it but What do you. What are you looking for for for in in the future do what he what do you want like what do you do. You want to continue working. I mean obviously you want family still wanna family all that stuff to get into that but i mean what makes you happy. What makes you what gives you. Joy family brings me joy That's sure it's a loaded question. It is a tough. One wasn't a very good one. Either wasn't good wasn't my best. Now we're used to that thoughts. Okay yeah it's that's a tough one. I think i'm i'm i'm going towards the things that bring joy right now so i can be can swim in it rather than visit. I think your gut reaction when you said family boom ios a. I think that's where you're not my family like the potential of my own your own family when you work and work and work and like i need work. I'm never gonna stop working. That's a passion right. I think when you care about someone else and you take care of someone else like a child and they become the center of attention and you're not the center of attention anymore. I think that will become something special for for anyone who has a assume. That's i think my mother loved us but my mother is still young when she had all of us and she was always the center of attention. And that that's not you have to give that up. I don't like being the center of attention anyway. I liked taking care of people and things you know. That's my dog is been things like my dog so i don't think that would be a rough transition for me. I think more so. It's like trying to find where to how to separate the focus. Because when i work i'm all in so it's finding the balance but this has been easy and fun wasn't it are we done. I think so. I mean what was your What's your handle so people would follow you on instagram. It's super van de although guys. I'm trying to get my name so if you can help me. I don't know how to do that. someone has it. Laura vandort salsa and it won't fit on on twitter. that's why mine's the the minds. Michael rosenbaum confident a in their side. Put bomb on twitter atlanta. Like you show that often. Thank you and twitter is vandyken. Twenty two Thurgau anything You wanna say that's coming out. You just worked on this film. It's done this film My hit the the film. I've just directed will be hopefully getting into festivals or call coming year. My soul to take shelter take Our instagram for that is my soul to take film. Follow a guys found out. She's worked very hard. She sold all her smallville memorabilia to make it. Oh sad day day come so it's all right that so worth your dreams are coming true. I hope the rest of your dreams come true. Thank you and It's yeah. I think we can do it right. Indie indiana jones. If you're watching if not you don't know what i'm talking about Laura thank you for to be inside of you. This is awesome. I i love the it's alive. It's your here with me. It's different isn't ryan. Do you find it awkward. Yeah i i'm not. I'm not ready. That lord just touched ryan. Everything's just going out of control back to canada and locked down. And i can't be near anyone so this is this is the most get so thank you guys. This was a pleasure. It was fun. So he's having a good time hopefully every couple years. Come back yeah anytime. i'm in la. It's not too soon. we'll do it again. All right i thought laura was really good today. Thought she You know she. He thinks he's not going to say much. You think she's not going to tell it how it is but she. She can't help herself. She's like me. She just got if she doesn't like something she says if something happened she kind of insinuates. I like having her on the show. I wanna have around the show as you know at least once a year or something like that There's a few guests. Like to have on the stephen amal's the tom wellings. The maybe kristen crooks the old deal. Gang from smallville erica But and i also appreciate you guys always chiming in saying you should get this guest. It's not that i don't listen. It's that a try. And a lotta times i fail. Remember i get ninety. Nine percent on my guests i email them or i get their email from someone and then i message them like keenan thompson from snl heiki and you don't know me but you worked with my friend so and so and i was just wondering if he did. Hello hello but you didn't gain in thompsons which no not yet. But i'm gonna keep trying. I love him. He's hilarious isn't he. Funny great it'd be great. Yeah that'd make my day. I'm trying for keenan i'm trying for. 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Leo XIII, October 13th, and the Feast of St. Michael

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Leo XIII, October 13th, and the Feast of St. Michael

"Praised be Jesus Christ now and forever, you're listening to the Bellman Forum podcast. Today is September 29th, the Feast of the archangels in particular the feast of Saint Michael the Archangel title. Today is October 13th in the feast of Saint Michael recall last time we were talking about the event of our lady's hand on the Statue Nikita blading. Feast of Saint Michael the Archangel goes back through almost all of the church. In fact, the Roman bravery the years of him in The Vespers for today is Britney the 9th century was altered. It's attributed to blessed roubanis Morris listen to this. Oh, yeah, ZooLights spring of the soul. The father's power and Glory bright D with the angels we extol from thee they draw their life and light bulb 8,000 hosts are spread and battled over the Azure sky, but Michael Bears die standard red and lift. Thy Mighty cross on high. Saint Michael you see was charged with the task of leading the Heavenly Army of angels and the first task was to evict Satan in the other evil angels to hell so much for hell being empty, right? It's tragic today that many people have this soft puny chut chubby kind of toddler image of angels. They you know, they they kind of look like a pin cushion or some sort of dead reading item on like a craft table, you know, something like that. No, no no, no, no, no no recall that, you know when our Lord was in front of pilot. In a few episodes ago. I talked about less The Angels Take stock and we mentioned this exchange between our Lord and pilot and our Lord tells pilot pilot keeps asking. Are you a king art thou then a king? The Lord tells him unless I had been handed over to you. in other words if it wasn't this time now when I meant to be crucified My subjects would be fighting for my freedom. Who is the prince of those subjects who leads that Army Saint Michael and wage increase thing. so We mentioned in the last episode the wound on the right hand of our Lady statue and Nikita would stop bleeding today on September 29th. And we got into a little bit of the tie to Fatima, but it was fifty six years earlier actually 57 because it occurred in 1916. The children at Fatima would see that same right hand. Well, no, it was Saint Michael appeared in 1916. When they saw the image was Nineteen Seventeen, so it was fifty six years earlier, but they would see that same right hand of our Lady. Stop the fire coming from The Sword of Saint Michael. They saw the angel with the sword and his a flaming sword and his left hand and he put the sword towards the Earth and Flames shot towards the Earth. It was terrifying and then they saw our lady left to right hand up. In the hand of our Lady stopped the flames. It's all going to tie together in a minute. Just hoping the remind you of these pertinent little facts that all work together. In 1916. That's why I was a little mixed up now Sister Luchia could not remember the exact date. She was late September maybe mid-october so it could be October 13th could be today September 29th. And actually my coordinates on the evening of the 28th. Probably then the vigil the night before the feast of Saint Michael when we get into this just for your recollection. Maybe you never heard this before Saint Michael prepared the children to be with our lady he made three visits to the children in 1916 the third of which happened likely today. Sister Luchia describes it like this. After we had repeated this prayer. I don't know how many times we saw the shining over us of a strange light. We lifted up our heads to see what was happening with the angel at the Saint Michael was holding in his left hand a chalice and over it in the air was a host from which drops of blood fell into the Chalice. The Angel leaves the Chalice in the air comes and kneels near us and tells us to repeat three times the following prayer. Most Holy Trinity Father Son and Holy Spirit, I adore you profoundly and I offer you the most precious body blood soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present and all thoughts and actions of the world in reparation for the outrages sacrilegious and indifferences by which he is offended. By the infinite merits of his most Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg conversion of poor sinners. He said that prayer three times after that say Michael Rose took again in his hand the chalice and the host and he gave to meet the content with the host. He gave to me in the contents of the child as he gave to Jacinto and Francesco saying at the same time eat and drink the body and blood of Jesus Christ terribly outraged by the ingratitude of men offer reparation for their sakes and console God. Once again, he bowed on the ground repeating with them that prayer again three times. Most Holy Trinity Father Son and Holy Spirit, I adore you profoundly and I offer you the most precious body blood soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present and all the Tabernacles of the world in reparation for the outrageous sack religious and in differences. By which he is offended and by the infinite merits of his most Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg conversion of poor Sinners Amin. On the third time of saying that prayer st. Michael disappeared. Sister Lucia's says that overwhelmed by the supernatural atmosphere that involved us. We imitated the angel and everything kneeling prostrate as he did in repeating the prayers. He said no in the middle of all that did you catch something last time we talked about the blood in the wound of the hand of our lady and it would drip here. We see save Michael earlier showing the children the host and it's dripping blood the Precious Blood of our Lord and he saw it drip from the host that Saint Michael was holding in his hand. It's just this imagery Heaven new. Saint Michael and our lady working together to tell us or lady tells us dedicated the two weapons the rosary and the Blessed Sacrament to sign left by her son. Fatima rosary and the Blessed Sacrament Now more Curious that connection October 13th 1917. Was the miracle of the sun October 13th 1973 was the message of Akita. But October 13th 1884. Witnesses are at Mass with Pope Leo XIII in the Vatican chapel after Mass. Pope Leo stopped in front of the altar the witnesses described his face as showing horror and wonder at the same time. They did not know what happened. But the pope immediately ran to his study afterwards and wrote the prayer to st. Michael. After writing the prayer down he gave it to a secretary and ordered him to have copies of it made and sent to all the Bishops of the world ordering them to say this prayer after each, Mass. Hopefully, oh would describe the vision later. He said that he had seen a chilling vision of legion of demons attacking the church. So Fierce was the attack that they almost destroyed it. Then he saw Saint Michael intervening decisively to defend the church, not immediately. But much later and only after the faithful had multiplied their fervent prayers to the archangel. Seems like we're much later. It seems like our lady had a plan in this but she brought it Fatima Fatima was much later eighteen eighty four to nineteen seventy years 36 years. Where what a hundred and a hundred thirty hundred forty years later now seems like it's much later. Maybe we haven't prayed this prayer enough. The children saw Saint Michael. They saw our lady called the fire from heaven so that we could pray and offer more reparation seems that's our ladies plan. The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart is tied in home with our lady somehow making us part of that Heavenly Army, you know, you had the blue Army you have the, you know, the idea of the church militant you have the idea of us being soldiers in our lady teaching us how to offer up our sufferings of reparation for Sinners say our rosaries and you have say Michael jab it into this commander of the Heavenly Army. Prince of the legions of of God's Army teaching the children how to be Warriors our lady teaching us say your Rosary offer these things up reparation for poor sinners. Saint Leo he sees they will almost destroy the church I don't know how you feel about things today. But communion in the hand the sorry state of liturgy the sad state of people that don't even believe in the real presence. the the sacraments just kind of laughed at think we do think we do Saint Michael the fulfill what Saint Leo saw Leo XIII Pope Leo XIII at that altar on that October 13th in 1884. The point is Saint Michael's not a chubby face little toddler that gets, you know, cross stitched on a on a stuffed pillow. He's a warrior. imbued with the power of God to lead the Heavenly Army the time when our Lord was in front of pilot wasn't the time yet for Angelic intervention in our lord said that We're not at that time now, are we? Let's pray. Let's pray it together the prayer that written by Saint Leo XIII on October 13th, 1884 and honors Saint Michael. Name of the father and the son and the holy spirit. Amen Saint Michael the Archangel defend Us in battle be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him. We humbly pray and do them open to the Heavenly hosts by the power of God cast into hell Satan and all evil spirits who prowl throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls all men Hail. Mary full of grace name is with the blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen Saint Michael the Archangel pray for us our lady of Akita and Fatima pray for us. You've been listening development Forum podcast. The government form is produced by the element form, which was founded in nineteen sixty-five as The Wanderer form foundation on the heels of Vatican II to be a faithful stalwart test witness to the truth of the Catholic faith that our Lord is risen from the dead. 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De RetailTrends Podcast

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#54 | Retaillessen met Mitch van Deursen, CEO van Shoeby | De RetailTrends Podcast

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SOPHIA BUSH: One Tree Hill Manipulation & Immature Love

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

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SOPHIA BUSH: One Tree Hill Manipulation & Immature Love

"You're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum. I hope you guys had a glorious week or you're having good week. Thanks for listening. In tuning into the podcast. Ryan always good to see you good to see you as well right before we get on the arrow talking about pounding alcohol and i'm not a powder and nor nor you not a pounder but i guess my marathoner you'd like to drink for long periods of time at night like you start early and you're the one who drinks to in the morning. Yeah that i drank pry about eight o'clock at night and by three drinks by by nine. I want everybody the fuck out of my house by nine by nine well tan. Maybe because i just feel guilty or feel like old man. My friends call me grams about any after party started to. That's okay yeah. Let them go after party. I just never had it in me. I mean maybe in college. I stuck around and like you know you see what happens. But what's the point of staying up so late finding somebody else drunk to hook up with. I think so why. I don't know if that's such a good idea. Hey thanks for listening You know ryan. Why don't you tell them the handles if you guys want if you here for sophia bush. It's a we're going to get right into it but We really do appreciate if you if you enjoy the interview. Hopefully you're gonna stick around and hear the handles at inside of you pod on twitter at inside of you podcast on instagram and facebook. That is correct and you can subscribe. Watch it on youtube which is always great Ryan is an amazing editor shows. Look fantastic and you can also to it where wherever stitcher apple all that stuff we really appreciate that and thanks for all the kind words i had coverted and I'm over it now and tested negative and feeling a little bit back to myself. But i don't have any taste or smell it's the real deal it's It sucks you've never had any taste. Real dick move ryan real dick move host. Cova got here that it was right. There was right. 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I just found this out i gotta taxed and But you know you know for one tree hill. But she's been a ton of stuff False positives a movie on netflix. Which is really dark and she was a great guests. You so articulate I was intimidated by orion. Yes i just thought. Oh she's a beautiful woman and She's very intelligent. And she's perfect for me because I think Piketty smart for me which is too smart. I know you are smart person. Well i just felt a little like you know. She's got so much going on that. I would probably bore her. Even though i find myself to be somewhat amusing. Not that i mean. It's all i'm saying. Is that thou when i was interviewing are like. Wow this is this is a real woman here. This is a really really liked her. She's amazing It's an amazing interview. I think i got under nerves once. But i think that's par for the course but it was a great interview. So what do we step right into it. Let's get inside of sophia bush. It's my pawn listening to you inside of you with michael rose inside of you with michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded from the studio audience. So e come over immediately play with my dog and five seconds she knocks over your entire full cup of iced coffee all over the living room. And then you proceed to help me clean it up. Obviously i brought it over then. You train my dog. i just needed to you know. Be her camp counselor for a minute. Calmer down like bring her energy on Safe post coffee disaster. Can you do that with humans to. I've been told yes. I have that vibe i. I'm one of the people who always winds up hearing. Everyone's deepest darkest secrets and problems. Can confide in you. Is that what you're saying. Yeah why is that is that you do have certain voice. Doesn't she have a voice. Ryan put the makeup. God's sakes yes we can't hear your voice. She has the soothing voice. Do you do a lot of voice over work. Interestingly not as much as you would think really 'cause it's very unique. I could see you playing even a teenager of like more like kind of like a parker. Let's show not. Parker lewis can't with pinky brewster punky bruce hunky brewster you could use funky bruce turkey brewster big mouth any of the funds staff. Incredible to did the ba-. I mean just the best i also and you and you'll know the feeling i was at a lunch with friends. You know this was pre pandemic when we still aid inside. And i was at a lunch with friends In venice and my agent called and was like what is the matter with you. Why have you not responded to me today. And i was like what are you talking about first of all. I don't look at email. So what do you know. I hate it. I think email is archaic and tortuous. And i can't believe has developed a better user interface but that's a separate conversation and so i i opened the email and there's a it's just a pdf so i opened the pdf. And it's a letter on incredible letterhead from brad bird asking me to play void and i screamed at a pitch that i didn't know my voice could make i thought i lost that at like eight that level of high leather it go. It just happened in. The whole restaurant turned tonight as well. I'm so sorry it's really good news. There really laugh. No some people were laughing and like a couple of when i left and what's incredible to you play void like i've done a lot of voice over work. And how did you find it nerve wracking or you acting with other actors. Were you shooting by yourself or would you do how you doing. I didn't find it nerve wracking. What i what was really interesting. And how fun is an adult to be really surprised right. What was really interesting to me was figuring out how to create a sound to go along with something that doesn't exist. Oh yeah because they hadn't showed they show you any examples or like little drawings. Animation wasn't done yet. I had drawings but you know. I was in the booth with brad. Which is the most incredible thing i was like. Please do not please do another voice. Okay okay okay. Do this now and he was like. We're here to record you cam. But it was really fun to get to play with a writer director of that caliber and and also to feel free enough in the room when he'd say okay. You're going to jump You know from the stoop to the sidewalk off of. Let's say six years land. We need the sound of you landing. Okay fine okay. What happens when you jump off one hundred story building and land. I have no idea what that sounds like so we had to just come up with things and and it was fun. Moments the sound effect for jumping off the stoop just the small version. I mean how would you land. I'm going to ask you a little breath because you get the wind slightly knocked out you try it. You just call that in sound good. When was your last negative mine. Was yesterday great. Same tested negative yesterday because doing the low energy tired so like i got it. I must have it. I had to do a shoot this morning. So i tested tuesday and yesterday really which actually gave me a lot of peace of mind given the current. Would you shoot i had to shoot for allure. Oh that's a fancy magazine. Lures never called me very fans female right. I mean i think largely you're also Maximums top hundred back in the day. Not that fargo. Fargo fargo fargo show. Great movie cureton dunstan fargo. We saw season love. She's so good seen her. No other guys yes. I won't take it out. I only saw season. One of fargo karston dunces in. Yes wait a minute that i just didn't recognize you. Might you also might have thought you saw season one in. You didn't watch which won't season one. It was what the guy that really quirky guy. He's in one of colin hanks. Yes yeah oh. Does she starting season two wrong season to so sure he know what where do we don't need to talk about fargo anymore. It's just a great show is the point. It is a great. So i i was talking about top hundred maximum because as you can see up there back in the day i was hundred fifty most eligible bachelors. I don't know how they determine that. And why is my picture drinking a glass of milk. I don't know either. It's just really weird. Get it. I really do. Yes but do you hate shoot doing shoots like that being pretty glamorous and stuff like that or do you ever feel comfortable you just go with it you just. It's part of the job. I mean i always feel awkward with life in general getting my picture taken. Everyone assumes you're good at that if you are an entertainer. But i immediately i'm like but what is my body. Where do my arms go like. I've never gotten relaxed about that And you know there are times in your life where people pressure you to to do things that you may not have wanted to do Like a shoot or totally. So i would always much rather do the cool editorial thing you know strange fashion stuff. That feels more like a character. i mean you're diner photo like oh man. If there were a place that i could do a shoot. I think i'd wanna shoot in russ and daughters in new york will say oh like the best deli around so you'd like to shoot in a deli something territory something cool. It'd be so happy so doing some who get snacks. On the way home to go it would be great so but doing something. Like a lure you're saying is a little bit more it's it's it's What's the word. I'm thinking it's everybody's tense. It's gotta be great. It's gotta be we've got to capture beauty and just allegance. I didn't feel tense this morning. I just kept laughing. I kept interrupting myself. Being what am i doing. I don't know what i'm doing is this as any of this is what you're asking for. I i have no idea And i think what's nice at least about this sort of moment in my life is that i'm less nervous to admit i have no fucking idea what's going on like when i showed up on my first you know fulltime set at twenty one. I was like okay. That was one tree hill. One twenty was young. I knew you had to be. I don't know what i'm doing I just kind of like learned a mark was recently. And i'm just gonna pretend like i know what they're talking about an i'll learn and you do you learn quickly but i think for me reflecting and being able to reflect with you know my co stars about that you you get sort of adult fide in ways you don't realize when you're young and and looking back i wish we'd had more of a you know a young cast person a mentor in the production department situation. But we didn't help because you're you're saying is that they're sort of like an lure no clear but there's sort of this idea that you have two people need to see you as confident. I need to see you know you're doing and or if you if you don't know what you're doing. Are you unprofessional. Are you wasting people's time. Do you deserve to be here. Those are all the fears. we carry which are bogus. But that doesn't mean we don't worry about them. I can't imagine getting famous. Twenty one being elite on a show your leads and i. I don't think i you know it happened. Really till i was twenty seven or twenty six. But i'm very immature. I think i've always been incredibly immature. You seem like you are very mature like with your activism and all these things. You're beyond your years. I really believe that. Don't you think so. That's really nice. Yeah i've always been a little old person like even as a little kid i was. What does that stemmed from. I don't know but i remember. I saw this video of myself on a camping trip with my dad. And my grandpa and i was talking to the two of them. I sound like jack lemmon in grumpy old men. And i'm like well you know what would be a hoot and i'm like what i have no idea where i got it. What was happening. Yeah i kind of feel like I've always been zone up. But i feel the old solar energy. If that's the right term more for us for humanity for a collective the activism the the work on behalf of a community has always made sense to me and then i think the you know pervasive anxiety about not knowing the answer or perhaps desire to be professional as possible. All stems from a very young. You know well of self doubt and fear and and that's kind of an interesting dichotomy when people say to me. You seem confident. I'm confident for us. Robbery confident as an individual Just choose was kind of like now. Pay attention to that part and do the rest. Will your parents always about doing the right thing. They instill that in you at a very young age where they always were they not maybe activists but always talking about the right things or do they have beliefs that you don't kinda share you know it's interesting. I think the thing. I respect so much about my parents is that they even in their seventies are very willing to inquire where their beliefs from i've watched my dad get so progressive and recently we were talking about it and i was complimenting you know things he sends me and and just saying you know how much i love seeing a man of his age seeming to learn all these things that my dad looked at me and was like Do you not know we were out protesting vietnam. Do you not know. And i learned all these things about my parents before i was born. I'm like oh never share their and maybe they did but you know what is a kid. Remember i don't know maybe maybe they shared some of that stuff with me when i was just young enough that it didn't entrench itself in my memory But you know really just really cool to hear them talk about their upbringings and there are things i knew i knew about my dad's story immigration to america and how long it took him to get his green card and become a citizen and i understand how tough that is Well my dad came in the sixties. And he didn't become a citizen. Until i was twelve and i was born in eighty two so that would have been ninety four. So it's it takes a long time crazy and you know my mom. My mom's mom came to america on a boat through ellis island My mom grew up in a housing project in the bronx. And you know. She was exposed to so many of the things that i've leaned into my activism In terms of communities that are disenfranchised in and it's really interesting. Now you know. I'll tell her about something and she's like yeah i know then. She talks about something from her childhood. And i'm going. Wow this is a. this is a wild sort of full circle experience. Were they always supportive. Like when you went off to college. I read this thing. I'm sure you've talked about it but where you you love volleyball. You're playing volleyball and the ad this school makes you in for a play or you have to be in a plan. We had arts requirements in middle school arts requirements in middle school and middle school. Talking about middle school. I went to the most phenomenal middle school and high school and there were four semesters of arts requirements seventh and eighth grade and i was like i'll do it. My friend does plays upset it. I yeah i was kind of like. I don't care about that. i'm going to go to medical school. I'm going to be hard. Surgeon like business my heart search with my plan and so i thought you know being like a smart goofy kid i was like wow if i do my play second semester of eighth grade that spring season. That's volleyball you know so. I won't have to do it because i'm going to play volleyball and the school was like you chose this. This is your choice. You had the freedom to do your play last semester induced ceramics this semester. You didn't so you're doing a play. And i remember just thinking it was so stupid the play just the whole or what play was it. It was our town. Our town sure a very famous every high school college. Everyone does it so good and what was really interesting to me was that i realized in real time that we were bringing a book to life essentially and it just changed my whole view of everything and i realized you know the reason that i can't ever give a book to anyone. Because they're underlined dog-eared and noted in the margins and i love reading and learning and here was a book come to life and i leaned into theater really hard all through high school and just loved it so much and got so nerdy like in the ways that i was such a little kid and sort of sheltered for longtime i was also such an old man. I started doing research about you. Know the traditions of human story. Pre the written word sacred. I was in. You're doing this in highschool practically failing out e- eh. i was like this is how humanity came to be before we could write things down we would do plays for each other. This is why we know. I really get fired up about nerdy stuff boat. Wait a minute so the play. Did you have a big part in the play now. Small part yeah and through high school. I did leads plays tech plays. I was prop master on many plays i. I played supporting roles in plays. I mean it was yeah. I was like behind the scenes trading. A love i love. Prop master the property of all props. We don't use that word anymore. I assume now we say properties manager Both right and Oh man. I just love de. Don't want to be a heart surgeon anymore. I want to be an actor is imagine going to my immigrant. Father and my daughter of an immigrant mother and saying so mom and dad. I don't think i'm going to go to medical school. I'm going to go to the theater. They were just pissed horrified. Did they see they see him. Play disney so she's good. Yeah j. but my mom was just like that's not a real job stable life. You do that not doing. And it is crazy. what we do But my parents. My dad Prior to retiring a couple years ago was of advertising photographer. And you know he is a creative and they told me years later that they had this conversation after. I had this talk with them about going to you. Know get a bfa instead of a medical degree and my mom was like this is all your fault. You turn your hobby into your career and she can do it. Do you know she was just so nervous. For me Because your dad's photographer photographer of what he did. You know advertising celebrity beauty campaigns. Like the ever shoot you He did i. Had somebody do my head shots for free for you. Know twenty years was. Yeah i mean. My dad was like doing campaigns for neutrogena and in vogue. He's wildly talented. That's exciting just so nice. He's a nice guy. My dad's really nice. There's a lot of people in that world who aren't nice and he inside of you is brought to you by helix sleep. I don't know about you ryan but what's the most important part of your day for night. Well it sleep with closely followed by breakfast but it's definitely sleep sleep because what we do mostly in our lives. We spend most of our life sleeping. That's absolutely right and if you're not staying in a sleeping in a bed that's comfortable and not getting a good night's rest what you're not going to be at your best. It's just at. This is just obvious folks. 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I think In the same way that i've lacked some confidence joel side lacked a bit of discernment or perhaps having a like a bullshit meter in my personal life. So i've dated people who i thought. Were really nice. Who were not what is that. So do you think the lesson got a lesson. But don't you think there is sort of this feeling you have when you're on set and you meet someone and there's an attraction to his his or her talent. Are you attracted to talent. Are you or more attracted to. I don't know about if i would put it that way. I'm attracted to You know creativity to ambition intellect to service I also think. And i'd be curious about your experiences there. I think there's like a very. It's funny because you realize that everybody you've ever made met in this business has like dated everybody else and when you when you spend a hundred hours a week on set and you literally you don't even get home for eight hours to sleep like yeah. I'm not surprised that every twenty year old on a set has dated every other twenty year old on a set who care idols. Your this is your life. You don't know much. And it's like i don't know we we act like it's not common in it's wildly common and you know some of our favorite like quote unquote. Celebrity couples are like people who married the fourth coast. Are they dated. Like i don't know. I don't particularly care about anybody's personal life. So long as it's not like disruptive to work. But i do think there's just a a a thing that happens to a lot of people whereby as you get older and you get more stability outside of work that you know you're just your perspective changes i mean how. How does it work for you. The more i'm just immersed in work the more. I'm just hyperfocused the less happy i am. I'm and i'm learning. That as i get older and older like this. Can't you can't be thinking about this. All you have to disconnect you have to take a trip you have to explore you have to educate yourself whatever it is because i mean for many years i was just so you know i'm on said i'm this is this is who i am. This is my world but it's a different scenario. I talked about on the podcast before. Because i i me it was. Somebody who didn't have confidence didn't have the i did. I did a play some. Wha- i i was good. Somebody said you're really good. You're really funny and sounds like oh i'm funny. This person thinks i'm funny. I need to just be on stage all the time so i was about finding myself. I think my journey really trying to find out who i really am. Yes they didn't know who. I was and i well. I think that especially when you are working young. What a what an easy pit to fall into. Because you're figuring out who the people you play are and you're supposed to figure out who you are and and your experiences are conveyed on screen but if you don't have a lot of experiences because you're young you're looking for them and it's a conundrum indeed and i think you know when you when you mix all of that reality with the fact that you're performing fear on a show like you know the ones we used to be on your working sixteen or seventeen hours a day. Your whole life revolves around the people. You're around so it's like i get it you know i've been that young person and i give advice to a lot of young people in the same positions and the thing i always try to say. Is i understand why you're trying to build a home where you are. You know i think especially for me and many of my friends who were in similar positions to me when we talk about it now you realize when you pick up and you move away from home and you literally. You don't see anyone except the people you work with for ten months a year. I'm like i get it. You want to build a home. You wanna feel like it was worth it to leave everyone you love and to be away from your family and your parents and to miss weddings and birthdays and you know people having babies and i get it. You really wanna build and cultivate a real work family sense of home i get it. I'm also just very deeply committed to my real home stage in my life. I mean they have to be so difficult for you to be twenty one years old and has a lead on show getting started and it's just it's overwhelming right a lot of ways and and for me especially going to do that kind of show you know going back to high school after only three years in college and doing a version of high school that i'd only heard about. I went to an all girls school fried. I didn't have one iota of experience with boys being in class with bad guys. Who'd lie to you with dramatic. You know girls fighting over boys in school. I didn't have any of that but you just learn to act through. We have to. That's your job but it you know. God what a i mean. What a crazy. What a crazy ride we went on. It was holy cow soon after you started. One tree hill did you. You'd already met chad. Michael murray but i wanna talk about now zero. I'm not. I'm not allowed to because i've tried to poke fun at being dumb kid right ever. I've that it gets twisted into. I'm talking shit about somebody who i don't even know anymore. Who's clearly a grownup like but i'm i think you have to like laugh. It who used to be but when people ask me about history that involves someone else wrote. I unfortunately like i just well. It's it's just not worth. It's not worth my time. It's not a place where i harbor You know ill will or a can't write. It never does. And i've tried to like you know. Do the thing where. When i get stuck i live on the air which has happened to getting asked about it where i like. Give a little like like jazz hands on and it doesn't. It just doesn't work. So i'm not going to i i you know i was very naive. Twenty one year old kid and that's all. There is say something that i read about. I knew that. I was getting into and i will always believe in love that my twenties when i was just trying to keep everybody happy. Well you said something where you want when you got married you go in and get married because you think you're going to be married once michael. We're not really going to talk about this are we. I'm just thinking. I think that that's why i'm single reasonable. Hear me out is because think. I've seen so much dysfunction in my family you have it. Maybe i think every family has. I've seen extreme dysfunction. My sister's married five times mother three times a lot of different things so i feel that fuck man. I'm not getting married until it's the one and that may sound naive. But that's why. I think i've waited so long. Yeah i get that. But you know what i think. Look i think lots of people do stupid ship before their prefrontal cortex are fully formed. And they're not until they're twenty six so you do the math on my time line. I literally didn't have a whole brain. So i have like humor and grace for like being a kid and you know having the experience that i had but but i also think we're at a really interesting time. We're we're look. We're looking at systems in general and marriage I learned so much about reading. Elizabeth gilbert's book committed and one of the things. I thought was so interesting and i read it years ago so i won't have the fact perfect for you which i like to but here we are but she essentially talks about. How early early evidence of the church trying to ban marriage because you were not as you know of member of the faithful supposed to be devoted to anyone but god and then they realized they couldn't keep people from getting married people in villages towns. Were just doing this thing. So then they said. The only recognized marriages in the church. So we have to look at what our motivations are what the politics are churches by. The way are so political is crazy me. They don't pay taxes again separate conversation but you know it used to be that the person on this farm and the person on this farm would get married so they could join farms and there was a dowry and somebody got like livestock and i like really weird patriarchal nonsense and now we're in this time. Where as many if not more women in our country anyway are the breadwinners of their household People want to build families. They wanna have kids. They wanna have these experiences. That i think we all deeply romanticize and you look at a divorce rate of over fifty percent. It's really complicated You know it's something like this was a statff years ago. So i'd be curious to know if numbers of the same now but seventy two percent of men cheat on their wives followed by forty one percent seventy two that correctly and followed by growing forty one percent of women who are now cheating on their husbands. I know we're just talking about how to normative relationships with the staff that iran and that number is growing as more and more women become the economic leaders of their households. And so i think over all. We have to have a much more real conversation as a society and within our own romantic relationships and our friendships with our friends who are likely in romantic relationships. Have their own. What our motivations like. What are we looking for. I grew up on disney movies and watching rom coms went to an all girls school. I was the prime like right out of the cartoon factory candidate for like a fairytale ideal of young love. Come like wrote itself really now as an adult. And for you in this position where you're saying you have your own skittishness and nervousness about really diving in I imagine that you have trust issues and also feel really nervous. Truly opening up and being your false self with someone thank you. So how do we begin to unpack these things for each other and figure out. Like what is your motivation is your saying i wanna make sure. It's absolutely the one is that actually. Just an avoidance tactic to prevent being intimate with anybody. god. I knew this around on me. Yeah it probably is defensive defense mechanism. I think i mean because there's no perfect one out there. There's just that they don't exist. I'm not perfect and neither well. You're closer than i am very kind and ryan here but rans obviously perfect except for the fact that he is not easy microphone. Exactly this is accurate. I don't know let me ask you what what is now going from this twenty one year old girl really girl to whatever you are now woman. What how do you feel about it. How do you feel about marriage. How do you feel about i mean. Do you wanna get married largely. I feel great about it. But again i think it depends on what people's motivations are and i wanna make sure whether it's myself or one of my best friends that were clear on what it is. Were signing up for rather than thinking. We're getting some like you know kate. Hudson and matt mcconnell h-have rom com life. You know this notion that you're gonna meet your person and they're gonna make you so happy that you're going to be fulfilled and you'll never be nervous again. You'll never ever think anyone else's hot like what it's such an absurd Joke and so what i am a fan of. When i'm a believer in is real partnership real intimacy that comes with radical honesty and with ground rules always giving your partner the benefit of the doubt while asking questions while being able to be vulnerable. Admit when you're afraid admit when you're being triggered by something else like you have to do a lot of work. That sounds i mean. It sounds the first thing i thought of was this needs to be a course in college. I agree i seriously just really sit down and talk to you about look. These are the and i think earlier. I had a really fascinating conversation with esther parral. Who was talking about certain countries That begin empathy education in preschool and every couple of years there's more curriculum which is about holdings base for each other and what what consent means. We don't hit our classmates. If you wanna hug someone ask those kinds of things for little kids. That steadily evolve into sex. Ed in you know whether it's middle school high school. I don't know when they do that for kids anymore Clearly we're doing a terrible job of it so that it's it is about consent. It is about intimacy it is about sexual safety and and and they learn about relationship building from the time that they're you know four. Can you imagine if we'd had fourteen. God oh my god. I just never existed with me. All i saw. I was surrounded by just dysfunction and i didn't so imagine at a young age if you had because in the developmental years when you're five savon whatever it is if you're not receiving love and all these things that you should be receiving as a young kid it changes the whole outcome. It really does. And you don't know what that is and your. I think that's what a lot of people do go through. I mean unless you have really great parents and you know I don't know sounds like you had a great experience with that. I mean my parents have done the work we had years. That weren't great. How do you do with your parents. I do a lot of work on my own and bring my work home. How do you do that though. How do you say okay family meeting. Yeah you do. I started instituting family meetings about five years ago. Does it include. Maybe the person you're dating now or is it just strictly you and your parents. Well no at that at that time and for many years it was really about the three of us in working through some stuff you know. I needed to talk to them about experiences. I had as a kid. And my you know the vestiges of childhood trauma that i carry from those things and and we we all needed to get clear on certain matters because the reality is everyone has a memory of an experience you tomorrow. Each of the three of us will have a memory from today and they might be different and so to be able to sit. Maybe i don't think so feel like ms. I was hoping she would. I don't think no go ahead. You know it's it's really important to ask people what they remember to share with them. What you remember. It was very hard very hard for me to say something that this is my experience and my father and mother. Whoever says i'll get outta here. That's not what happened at all. What are you talking about. I wasn't my. This is an experience. I have that. I kept with me now. They're just belittling it. Yeah i would offer that. There's a lot of power in letting them do that. And just watching it and then saying okay so if you want to say to me that that didn't happen. Why is this my memory. Why is this my experience. Why have i gone through work on this therapy. Why do you think. I'm bringing it up to you now. You can really disarm someone's desire to avoid their mistakes and you can also offer the kindness of. We've all made mistakes. And i'm not bringing this up with you because i blame you. I'm bringing it up with you. Because i want to heal it between us gives me anxiety. Of course it does fucking anxiety thinking of having that conversation with. It's really certain people hard but it is. I believe something we all deserve. And i think can be a real sign of progress and personal growth when you can just say like okay. You all can flail around me and i'm gonna stand here like a concrete post and when you've tired yourselves out i'm still going to be holding space to talk about it. It it's kind of like is to be a camp counselor. It's not far off on how you deal with. Kids that are throwing temper tantrums people revert to childish avoidance selves. When they think they're going to get criticized we all become a five year old. Who thinks we're going in the principal's office you know it's just human tendency. If you understand the tendency you can kind of deep personal is the the response and frankly you also have to have a moment. I think in your adult self. I did where i finally said. I might not ever get the moment on this issue that i want from my parents. They may not parent me through this example in the way that i want them to and weirdly as soon as i accepted that they became the best version of my parents. They've ever been. I've given up. i think. I think i've given up on that. Yeah because i i feel like They see what they wanna see. They hear what they want to hear. They they don't want acknowledge things. Because i think it hurts them and it embarrasses them and As an old school mentality. Maybe that's an excuse but I just feel like it's not even worth and i've had therapists in the past kind of say will you should bring this up. Mckee just understand. I i know in there like you. Don't deal with people. All the time i go. I know you do not this one. This is different. My father's different. You know what i mean. And you know my father actually. We have a much better relationship in recent years. But i was going to be my next question. Yeah i kinda wrote him a letter. 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If they did it'd be yeah you know. I do a lot of their career. You haven't watched false positive. You did and love false positives dark. My mother told me to watching movies together. Wow she's on told me to watch it. You're mom think of it. She was like you should watch this false positive. And after i wash like a why the fuck would you tell me to watch that fucked. It's pretty dark. it is really dark and your characters dark to twisted corrigan. God i know but we before we get to her fun because this is an easy moment for you to flip to a joke or to change the subject. So you don't have to talk about yourself i do. We're not done it done. But why pastor. What did if you feel comfortable sharing any part of it. What what do you think you were able to communicate in that letter that gave you by getting it out of your body and onto paper that gave you a little bit a freedom to have some space for different kind of relationship with your dad. I called him out on things that he had said or done his actions. Which were unacceptable. I felt and ultimately in the letter. I said you've got a a really wonderful kid out here in california that you could have so much fun with and spend time with and actually get to know and you just shitting on time. Something along those lines and it took awhile and he didn't respond to me and then i was like faulkner. So then i chaman email a couple months later as we talked a. Did you get my email. He goes yes. All i can say is i love you. That was his now. Such a particular kind of generation isn't it don't want to get into it didn't wanna. He didn't divulge didn't answer things didn't say but the thing is i think with him is a lot of people. You have your own problems and you forget that you're still a father you forget that. You're steve still have to do the the right things. And you don't have to follow in your father's footsteps and you don't have to. And i've done everything i can to not do that. To be approachable to be loving to be giving to be all these things that saying. My father is. I'm just saying in general. I wanna be all these. Why are you getting me into tacos talking about just unpacking stuff. Because you have a podcast too. Yeah drama queens. Yeah well. that's the second. Podcast aggressors my show that i started In twenty nineteen. That is not dissimilar to this. It's sort of you know we get into the deep stuff about incredible people culture leaders and politicians and writers and actors and comedians and authors. Just everybody out there doing interesting stuff which is really fun. You know i've interviewed scientists and Be so overwhelmed. I couldn't interview a scientist got. I love it all day. You do the research right. Yeah but research is what i do all day anyways so i finally have been able to put it into something which is really fun and and it was off of doing work in progress then i i don't know i have found that. There is such space for exploration and for healing in conversation with people for learning and all of us girls who worked on trio really have always carried a thorn in our side. Since and i just want you know what there might be something there. One of one of my awesome agents asked me. If i'd ever consider you know doing a podcast about it. Kind of is like a cogan project or prog. About what about the show about one tree hill but jonah quiz right. Yeah and. I didn't want to do that by myself. But i sorta chewed on it and then i called hillary and just said look i had something suggested to me and now it's become this idea in my head and if you hate it you know because she left i she had a really gnarly experience with our boss and i said if you hate it i'll never speak of it again and we. No one ever asked to know that we talked about this. But if you don't hate it. I think we should call joy. She was like paul joy and then the three of us launched show. And it's it's so so awesome. Do you guys get into the stuff too. Yeah about your experiences. Hopefully i knew we would. And i knew there would be a lot of opportunity. We talk about this letter to your dad like to leave it on the page to get it out of our bodies And to to also reminisce on everything. That was so good. 'cause it was all of the things. It was the best of times in the worst of times as they say and what. I wasn't quite prepared. For was the ways that we were going to kind of big sister our younger selves and each other. You know we've been able to talk about all the things that we were too scared to bring up back then and we've really been able to kind of come to each other's rescue and defense and we just laugh a lot and the coolest part is that were finally seeing our show the way our audience saw it. We'd never done that as a fan in a way. Yeah i you know. Even if we'd catch an episode to live tweet or something we would have just made it. It was like everything was jumba league. Now we are just seeing the episodes and it's wild and the number of times we'll all get choked up. Oh man it really hits it adds. It's a really good show. That's really sweet. What are you talking about all this stuff that you guys went through and i know you talked about it a lot. I mean and you paint the picture of that. This guy was the creator of the show is basically a monster. I mean there's no secret to that. It's amazing to me how he could be so open. Usually think that it'd be one or two people that experience it but how many people experienced this Eighteen women on our show signed a collective letter that was eighteen people willing to be public about their experiences in the cast and on the crew and twenty five women on the cast and crew of his subsequent show signed a letter in response about his behavior and it was obvious in front of the crew. Oh yeah he was very open. I think the worst of what he did was hidden but yeah he. He was not embarrassed to be hansie to make inappropriate. Commentary can get away to pull people into side rooms for conversations To keep it's funny when you think about the things that men right you know. We would have these scenes written for us. You know being with our intimate partners on the show scenes written were we'd be in our underwear and whatever and we found out from a writer that he kept a board of the fitting photos of each girl in underwear up in his office. Pictures of us. That were taken by the wardrobe supervisor. Who was a woman of us in different versions of underwear and or lingerie that the that then had to be approved picked and you know that one would wind up in the show. He just would keep a board of all these house and we were like. Wow that's super violating than anybody. Ever say get help to get fucking help. Yea certainly but when someone's in complete and total control of two hundred and fifty people's jobs and livelihoods. It's pretty hard to force them to listen. But it was interesting for us. You know when the show was over Really to hear that it was no secret in the industry either and he kept working as they all do until you know this all came out the movement and then he was fired off royals or whatever that you ever do. How do you feel if you ever were face to face with him in a room. Just the two of you to have a conversation. Do you think you could keep your composure. I could do a conversation like this. You could but even as you ask me to imagine like the sensation of white hot rage in my chest is not small because not only was it the really over just abuse and manipulation that he you know put so many women through but it was also the more insidious shit it was telling me that joy and hillary were supposedly talking all this shit about me and then telling joy that me and hillary were talking shit about her and telling hillary that me enjoy talking shit about her he he hate each other. He pitted us against each other. And when you're twenty one and you're forty-five-year-old married boss is telling you that people are coming into his office to talk about you. You don't think he's making it up. And so the ferocity that i feel about the time he stole from us this. We clicked fast and we were really really close. And he didn't like it and it took us a long time to realize that you know when he would talk about never letting us be like the friends cast we always thought like yeah l. o. l. like what cast is ever going to get paid that much money in episode. But what we didn't realize was he never wanted us to be best friends because then we would talk about money and then we would advocate together. It wouldn't be that kind of money but join forces we join forces and we didn't get that at the time we were kids. We didn't know anything about the business. This was my first. tv show. You know hillary had been working on. Mtv is a vj like none of us had experience in this arena. So we didn't. We didn't know that we should have questioned him. The most we we listened to him and we questioned each other. So you for find that really unforgivable. So you confide in him. You really trusted him for a while. Yeah i think there were periods of where we all did and especially in the earlier years when he wasn't like has overtly disgusting be inappropriate in the need like laugh. I don't know anything door can highschool. None of the girls liked me like he always make these kinds of excuses. It takes a long time to realize that that's just an mo that's not genuine And in learning about as the years went on and he felt more and more powerful. How much more Violent and inappropriate. He got with women makes it very clear that it was always you know. It was always rooted in the same desire to kind of control in conquer But i just yeah. I find it really unforgivable. We could have had a we had the most exquisite famille. Y'all experience we didn't get to but we get it now and it's really nice. We have it now. We like facetime and cooked together. We get on zoom once week and we do. The show vessels ironic. It's yeah i get it now. You still get to have at least. That's beautiful thing. We always had moments and then we all kind of get a little nervous. You'd fall back into your closeness and then you go. Oh god on my vulnerable. Now what does it mean so. It was like this ebb and flow. I nine years. We did our show. And now it's just flow all the time and the difference between those two things is not small and it's delicious and i love that this belongs to us. You know the three of us share it. Equally were executive producers. It is our show as a unit of women and we are literally healing old wounds and you know if it irks him that we have the power. I'm thrilled well said well said This is called shit talkin. Oh with sophia. Bush cities news. Talk this shit talk and this is just for my level patrons. I love it and they get to ask questions. i mean. this is kind of a question that's been asked sophie. Mp tummy whose idea was to start. The drama queens podcast. It was you know someone came to you and then you came to the others right. Yeah i was having a conversation about A a an imprint of podcasts. I wanted to build out. And i have this amazing agent. Who's like you know. Full gems jamesy. Who was just like okay. But what if you did this. And she really sparked the idea for me and my initial reaction was absolutely not and then. I sat with it. Then i was like. I don't wanna do it by myself. I got a call. I got a call. The girl so i was like. Oh hillary i and then she was like called joy and the best part is we call join drugs absolutely not and i was just way way way way. Here's my idea you know. I think we were all so like louis shuttering about it and i just you know. Hillary and i talked to her about the conversation. We'd had you know when. I when i pitched her And just said look we can take it back we can reclaim all of it together. And then she was like wait a second. This is cool and And it's interesting the way that the three of us can as a unit advocate for each other and when one person gets understandably nervous about something we can come together and talk about it and solve for and and yes. Oh it's it's been. It's been great nancy. D- what is what's the one role that you would drop everything to play or one director. You drop everything to work with I would drop everything to work with. Taika with ryan kugler Was zoe lister jones. Oh i i would. I just wanna play a superhero guys. Do yeah like i'm scrappy. And i'm good stunt driver very proficient with weapons. And i'd like to work i've seen black widow twice. I think it is so good. Ooh i love it. It is so early. It's so good. And i'm just like i want to do this. You should do it. I think you will. We'll see i guess. Yeah oh yes is an actor actress that you were inspired by while growing up. Say meryl streep well. I mean look course. Obviously merrill is like da. Everyone but i'm trying to think in high school. I i think. I became like four. Die hard kate blanchett stand by just think she's so believably talented and you know. Obviously merrill and and kate have been women who i. I just love to watch an an god vile davis i mean. She just came in so hot and is so exquisite. And i mean there's so many women who i who i learned from watching but man i think in in terms of people who can just made me feel like they've ripped my heart out of my chest those three really our top tier. Those are good ones steph. Just said learned a lot from work in progress. Podcast thank you for using your voice for good. You're a real inspiration staff little. Lisa says you have any funny behind. The scene stories from john tucker must die. Oh my god we had so much fun. i'm that movie. oh man I have a lot of stories. I can't tell any of you but really yeah. We just had a ball. We had absolute ball. But what was really fun While we were working up there my sweet angel. Brittany snow wound up Adopting this cute little dog and so suddenly we had a set dog which was heavenly. Because i i was really missing my dogs that summer So it's really nice. We got a little a little mascot. That's a little behind the scenes for you. The last question is will you train michael's dog i. I can give you some tips because you really are good. You're very there's something about you that's just very. I mean right when you walked in you just my dog kind of jumped on ya and your your your patient. You seem like you're just. You're you're disposition your whole you just seeing relaxed. I don't know what it is. I wish i had more of that. You just seem relaxed. Are you relaxed. No okay so. I was wrong completely wrong. I am very taipei. I'm high stress and probably a bit high strung but the place where i get really grounded and still is in good conversation so well. You're welcome. you're welcome as going to kill you. Say so. I feel very relaxed. Now thank you this guy interrupting do that but i think that it's also part of the reason that i love hosting the show. So much is. Because i i do feel really. I grounded when when we do this. Yeah i like her orion think she's she's a she's inspiration. You're you're you're you're a good woman. You're a good human being links. Yeah there's something just. I feel comfortable when i'm talking to you. I think the audience will say the same thing. There's you speak your mind. You're very confident. But you're also realistic. And you're honest and sweet sweet in there. This has been a great time. I really enjoy this time. I did was it. Was i really like talking to you. Glad you finally came in here and maybe one little trick for blanche before we leave she was sitting for you. You're staying for her. She doesn't stay for anyone. Gotta make yourself clear. That's the thing that i think is really helpful is can start working on them to sit. Do any hand motions with her. Do snap sit interesting. sit down. Shut down allure. Her good throwback and gal aubert. This is why. I love talk show. Oh my god. Do you wanna know the most embarrassing thing that i have ever done. Yeah and his wife. And i laugh about it. Thank god. she's my friend. So the first week that seth meyers was ever on late night i went on. I was one of his guests in the first week. I've never been more flattered by anything. I just love him. i think he's amazing. And i was working in chicago and having like an extra miserable time at work and Which is no secret. Anybody which is why. I think i've busted my ass and the last couple of years to make such good projects. Such wonderful people like false positive working with alana working with women and really good dudes and gearing up to issue. Could sam and you show which is all you know. Helmed by incredible women and the men who've come in or phenomenon Because you know. I went from a show where every time our boss was in town. It sucked to working on a show. That like sucked. Most of the time for me as a woman. Shocker crit right before me to hit the news. That was fun. I was working there and reading. I was reading aiming fuller's book when weekend my best friend coming to visit me and we've gone to the rooftop of the soho house in chicago. We were like laying by the pool. It was summertime and we were having rosa and like i don't. I'm sensitive to these guys. I'd probably had to gaza zeh. Everyone else was tipsy. I was hammered. And i'm reading. Amy poehler book just crying laughing. How sweet it is. And then i get to the chapter that seth meyers wrote about being her friend and looking up to her and what it was like to be supported by her and how it made him feel like he can do anything. And i've been texting with seth and with his wife alexi About like charity stuff in new york. And i in my semi-drunken do percents. Seth meyers a text message. Saying hey i'm reading amy's book and laughing crying and now i read your chapter and i'm crying and just want you to know that. Like even in the boost that you give to people who come on your show me when you tell them they're great and you love their work. You make us feel like. Amy made you feel and i sent it. I sent nice. I was like own now. What what's wrong with a bubble and then it went away and then there was a bubble off and the next day i looked at my phone and i was like so sorry about the data. I'm rosa yesterday. I was chatting with his wife. We do a lot of advocacy for women together. And i was excited. This really embarrassing being reading. And i drunk texted seth about how he's like a leader for people in a great ally to women and she was like oh god he doesn't know how to feel feelings like oh i could see his face. I text you back. I don't know what the fuck to say. This is what happens. I do conversations like this. I'm not really the person people come for a quick one liner and when you're one of the world's greatest comedians like comedies. What you do ansa next time is headed next time. I'll send you a joke. That's gone sure. He appreciated and see that if we were in fact doing late night. Which is what the comeback was. All about would be a great late night story and i think it was sweet. I wouldn't feel god. Like oh my god thank you so much. She's drunk. that's so cool. that's what i do. I'm such a good time. I get drunk and read books to the figure interview science people. Good for you. Well so to podcasts in progress drama queens. Listen to them both. I mean. She's really enjoyable to listen to and What other products you have going on. Oh gosh well. False positive just came as positive on fox so creepy. I'm so sick she. We're really watch you know. I love our movies. it's creepy. you're gonna dig it pierce brosnan. Can you believe how scary. So he's just it's just bizarre. He's just tabula. He's bizarre he's these terrifyingly. He's just so nice without giving away the end. That story has happened multiple times. I can't even. that's where the whole thing comes from. We were going to end my god. You were going to end the movie with pictures of all. The doctors who've been caught. Don't say anything pictures of all those kinds of doctors and we were told to me but yeah it's fucked now. You wanna listen to it and she's really good. You play a really cool character that you're there's a nice twist to it and i'm so glad i watched that thanks. Yeah she's she's a strange kind of villain. I didn't watch it. 'cause you're coming on the podcast. I'd watched it randomly. Oh she's in this cool. I love that. How your mom i said thanks will so yeah that just came out. It's streaming on hulu and then good sam Here's another callback for you. The irony good. Sam the show on which i play a heart surgeon is coming out on. Cvs in january. We came full circle. Heart surgeon your data will be proud. You're a heart surgeon. yeah. I love it i've been. I've been shadowing surgeons. And actually i know and open heart surgeries the coolest thing i've ever seen in my life. Real-life sa- coolest experience. I have ever quit everything and be a heart surgeon late. You're still young. I could you imagine. I could actually can you imagine that i. I think you could do whatever you want to do. Well i appreciate that you had a choice right now to be a top heart surgeon or atop superhero. It'd be can. I be the superhero now and like go to med school in ten years to do that but you might get tired of forty. I don't even know. I don't feel like i'd get tired of tired right now. Talk marrying. you're tired thinking about being superhero or being a surgeon though. Talking about being assertion. Oh my god. I couldn't even imagine all the years of school and i could barely get through school as it was. You know it was. I have to be interested if occasionally you had a great teacher. That would keep your interest. Somebody who really lumbered they were doing. And you saw that and had an interest in you and those are always the best teachers and they were rare. They were few and far between but Anyway and what's your handles by the way l. That's nothing. I don't have like a fun name on the internet. Society names at sophia bush. Your that followed the how. This has been a real treat. Thank you and i love having yawn. You're welcome anytime and key. And i hope you'll hopefully you'll post when this is out listen as conversations day and yeah we should get blanche maggie on awas. 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Joey 'em thank you lovely patrons from making the show possible and you subscribing to patron Like i said over and over really does wonders for the show and keeps us ticking and we wanna keep on doing this show I certainly enjoy it and Ryan did you have a week. I know you or you had to isolate. Since i tested positive ed isolate for fourteen days. I mean i know it's not my fault but were you mad at me at all. Yes you are why. Because i don't think anyone should have been at your house. What do you mean would include his. But not i don't think now let's talk about it and i don't want to Not i think If you're feeling shitty. On tuesday wednesday and wednesday you took the test on thursday. I was negative but took the pr. And i came in on friday. That came in friday. But i was. I was hear me out. Honest to god. I wouldn't have ahead anybody here. In the reason why i had somebody here is because i was feeling tired and i just had back surgery. Now is still on pain meds. And i'm still like you know recovering so wednesday. I was a little fatigued but nothing. Nothing major at all thursday still just a little fatigued so i didn't feel an by the way. My symptoms only were extreme fatigue. Just got worse and worse. Until i was finally like there's no way i could have vaccinated. I'm just tired. I just was in. Houston it's two hours ahead in my mind. I really felt like there's no way i have covert. There's just no fucking way. I was pretty pretty good in. Houston they had a plexiglass in front of me. Suggest to you know. Let you understand if i had congestion and if sore throat and swollen lymph nodes and all these things i didn't lose my sense of smell or taste so it wasn't until i got that tasos i ca and what happened. I went and got tested again immediately. Because i didn't. I didn't know if i believed it. I thought it was a false positive. So that's why. I got tested getting immediately the next day. 'cause thinking there's you know and then friday night. I started to feel more tired and saturday. And i felt like wow. This is a fatigue that i haven't had so i really apologize. But i but i really didn't believe i had it and i was. I was thinking you know i. It just crossed my mind. That i had cova. When you're vacs you just don't think you know. I'm pretty cautious. And i didn't get it for a year and a half. I just didn't think i was going to get it. And i didn't have these extreme symptoms. I just was really tired. I thought i'm just fucking tired. That's why i got tested thursday and when that first came back negative well of course some negative and the guy goes it's ninety six percents effective and i'm like all right. I'm just tired or anything. Maybe a cold. You hear me out. Yeah he's still mad. I mean it was. It was a rough a rough week. Man it was just a it was not something i really needed to to be dealing with and i know you had the whole disease. Sorry you had. It sounded really shitty. And i guess the time. Oh sort of feeling like he's feeling chitty early in the week but there's no way we should have been here on mass. There's just no way we should have been here well again it. It didn't feel like i had anything other than fatigue. In fact like i said for the next twelve days would i have extreme fatigue. That's no other symptoms so if started to get a sore throat and i started to feel these things i'd be like fuck is i'm sick. I'm not going to be in front of people. And i'm sick but the fact that it was negative and it was fatigue and i'd just had gotten back and it was my first trip and i was tired. You don't realize my back was all swollen. When i was there so's constantly icy down. Which made me feel like shit. I was just constantly running around. And i just felt like i was just drained. Never thought for a second. I had covert. I mean i swear to god. I did not think i had go but i mean i'll just say like it was very long to say what it was like for me was just very sudden and i'll immediately just sort of felt like fuck this this. This is really an everything up. So i had a call and on my way home. Is it okay. So michael just got a positive test for kobe and I'm going home like shit. I still have auditions do so. I went into my apartment because my our closet is the recording studio right so right because we had to turn that into covert so i just. I went into my apartment. A shower state masks the whole time. She came in masked she has editions and then she sort of like took some food out of the fridge. Like fucking by and so she had to go to a place and she And you had fourteen days of. Yeah and as riceland so yeah so she. She lost the recording booth. She had her microphone but she sort of lost sound quality. And that was kind of a big bummer for her. And i mean this is obviously not your fault but this is just something that really should really happened like what we're quarantining one of her her childhood friend just fucking died from covert not covert night even cove. He died in a car accident in france who and she was. It was killer just all of a sudden. She got a tax on morning and that was super bummed. Because i couldn't comforter. I couldn't comfortably any to and it's i mean it's obviously it's part of the isolation process. It was just really shouldn't happen ever but she's really shitty timing and she was just retired. She's fucking mess. Still the funerals today. I'm so sorry ma'am so that was just sort of it was just one sort of thing. Then after another shields she had like a big job on tuesday so like pretty much like the second call. I gotta fuck off because it's a jolly a huge like job in three days. I i was just baffled by whole fucking thing. I was baffled because for a year and a half I didn't get it and it was very careful. And then i get faxed and then then i randomly get it and let me tell you something. I will say this. Thank god i was axed. Because i feel like if i wasn't faxed i probably would have gone to the hospital. I felt like i couldn't move by the next week. It wasn't even till the next week. I started to feel really bad. That was like wednesday that following week. Where i just it was one of these things where you're just lying there and you know you have to eat because you have no daniel like i can't came came go going post many times the strength post meets or something just so tired. I remember the guy at the door. I post mates knocked. And he stood there and i go. Hey you can just leave it there. It goes alot you could just leave it there. He goes well. I just wanna make sure i got. Hey buddy i am cova dude he just fucking took off like get the fuck outta here. Well i'm sorry about all this. I mean if i can go back in time and really think that i had it. I never would have done that friday. Certainly wouldn't have had an interview. I mean it was. If i thought i had fucking cove. Here's a lasting. I thought i had and It's just a drag this whole situation's a drag. But you know. I feel really safe now. Now that i've had an i'm back. That's like almost super vaccine away. Yeah but you know you still got to be you know. We have a rule now. I mean we had a rule anyway. It's like you're not coming in here unless you're axed and just goes you know we have a guest. That's coming in next week. You're not you're not coming in of surprised to hear. The potential guest is not paxton. Surprised that yeah. We don't have to bring that up. I won't but yes. Yeah i know. I just don't get it. I don't get especially when you're working in this industry sort of i think you have to be faxed. Yeah i won't include that. But i'm not going it you can thank you. Want people early the listening or not. You don't have to you know by this point they're gone anyway. Don't you agree. You guys are still listening. We just got into a little conversation about this. And i thought it was healthy and it was real and it was. You know it was what's going on in the world and so have it's scary. Get back at vaccinated. Please get vaccinated for your own benefit for people around you You don't know how you're gonna respond. I'm pretty healthy. And i felt like i was about a day away from going to the hospital. I felt like. I just can't function as a human being and and then my doctor said take z. Pack do this and then turned around for me. I took z. Pack loaded up vitamin c. Vitamin d zinc. All these other things and three days later it just completely turned around and But yeah do yourself a favor you don't you don't wanna you don't wanna go. It doesn't give us yet. Cova doesn't care who you are. 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Buffys JAMES MARSTERS: Dark Side of Playing Spike

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

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Buffys JAMES MARSTERS: Dark Side of Playing Spike

"You're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum. I hope you guys are having a incredible week. And i really appreciate. You listened to the podcast. Great guests that james marsters. He's been on before but we got him in studio and boy was what's the word forthcoming open. Honest talked about joe. Sweden talking about all that stuff which we know is an all over the media for some time and is still is and i love having james on again. He's a great great guest and i'm glad he didn't get covert because i got co vid around that time and he didn't get it so i would have felt bad. Yeah i was troubling. It was but thanks for listening. I hope you guys if you're listening for james and you haven't listened before i hope you subscribe to the podcast. It really helps and trying to build an audience here so A lot of great guests from the past a great guests coming up. We really opened up about mental health and anxiety and life and career. And it's not just a celebrity talk. 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For god's sakes smallville lunchboxes there's inciting mugs there's a lot of cool stuff and also if you want to zoom me you could zoom me go to sun spin dot com. That's my son's been. We chose coming up october. Ninth is the next show will be putting something up soon and you can get cool merch and assume with us but Yeah i also will be in west. Virginia this coming weekend Doing a smallville nights and i'll be signing autographs in west. Virginia mountaineer com mountaineer calm. So join me join me. Who said that. Darth vader darth vader. That yeah anyway ryan Week ese. Did i mean. I guess they're listening. It's tuesday tuesday. You have the weekend. Did you know my regularly softball is back in. You know honestly that makes me happy. It gives you something to do. Does somehow looks soared to I need something to look forward to. I need to do more things. I think i'm going to do more things. Yeah but i realized how badly i missed hanging out with people outside. No well if you need a player we let me know you all cool Thank you for listening again. And please subscribe. Like i said and We'll talk to you right after the podcast is over. Let's get inside of james marsters. It's my view you're listening to inside of you with michael rose by Inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. See you feel like you're choosing a tv show right now. You're like how much how much move. How tight are you guys on this. Close professional professor mica. You are not to do. Are you one of those guys that always hits your mark. That always knows what to do that. Never hears from anyone. James mrs mark again now. I are we recording. Because i'm going to give you the good stuff now interesting door. No i'm a guy that noses lines really well But i don't know. I'm i'm good at the marks but i do remember Going from buffy to angel on on buffy were shooting film and they were just blown out with light. So if i was within a foot of my mark. They're like gotcha. And on angel we were shooting digitally and so they were using a lot of bounce for the fill light and it was just lower light levels and they were they were james mr mark and i'll be off by that much and that fox with your performance too because you can't have as much freedom right exactly and i kept thinking. These guys aren't very tight. They're not a tight crew like they should hire people who can focus the camera and it took me about nine months. Well six months to think back to when i was a teenager. I had a stepfather who photographer and he was talking about. Depth of field and lower light level means that there's less like a wide for those of you at home the y. Depths of field is when you know. I would be in focus if i'm here or if i'm here there's a depth of field here but with low levels at shrinks and you're only infocus if you're right there and they were. They were a very tight crew. They knew exactly what they were doing. And i went to apologize to them. And they said yeah. We'll we were confused because we kept telling you were on a long lens. And i was like i don't know about that. I just one thing. I know and i finally figured it out. So i'm sorry. But i i'm i'm pretty good with the technical. I'm very good with the technical up in a much. Better known my lines than than hitting marks although no one's complained but no one's complained. I was like dude. He hit mrs market. And you always know that too because the cruise like you've gotta hit this mark. Sometimes if i'm in a real intense scene. And i've got to walk up to somebody and i have to hit this mark. And being it. I might put a fucking sandbag down. Oh sandbag down. Because i don't wanna think about hitting that mark. I wanna just hit that mark and just continue with what i'm doing. You know it's the sweetest thing is when the actors are giving printable takes the crew is blowing them. I love i love when the crews blowing them. Well you know like yeah. There can be any number of mistakes on any take. And there's yeah. Hey blatch quiet plant understands english. Did you hear that you hear barking. Now she gets it. She's probably would you hear another ryan. He did doesn't just like michael but wasn't that when the when the crew blows you know. No no no. That's actually uncomfortable when it's when it's when the actors are giving printable takes but the crew is the one have to say i need another one i know and you know what's funny. Is there such like genius. Most crews were fantastic and they'd just perfectionists so that takes probably fine a little soft person on for for a second. You know we didn't talk about this last time you're on your such a great gas and you. You're so open that i'm glad you back. I'm glad i'm glad. I didn't really prepare anything because i just wanna talk. But there's a couple of things like for instance your transition into angel. That was that something that they approached you early on to joss or anybody say. Hey we have these plans for you to be on angel where you were. You surprised that. They're they want you to be on angel they to me It was certainly before we finish filming. Buffy was before the the summer And it was a few months before. So yeah i had some lead time And apparently they had gotten cancelled and joss was trying to go back and forth with network cancelled. Angel angels and season going into sees faisal after season four. They cancelled it and john was like well. What if we do this can i. Can i have another season. What if i do that. And then he found when he said what. If i can get spiked. They were like oh well. If you can get spike you can. You can go for another thing. And so he called me you know that he needed you or did you not realize that didn't know that dynamic thing called leverage well i found it out in yes helps it did but It took a long time and it. It taught me to not be angry with producers when they tried to screw me so hard because you take it personally. Yeah and and i thought back to the days when i was paying actors When i had a theater company we only had sixty seats so it's the same problems but in a smaller writing. I paid people eighteen dollars performance. And but that's what you had. Yeah but that's what they had and you think that's the that's what they tell you. They have well here. We go here. We go so I i held out for the amount of money that i was making on. Buffy i i guess joss said. We don't have a lot of money on angel's not like buffy we we have some money's not cheap show obviously but it's not the same as buffy And i told him. I said it looked when you told me that. I said i'm not going to hold out for more than i was making on buffy. But you're offering me less. And i didn't really the divide that was going to happen and i'm not really gonna gonna go for that right. and charisma Got a phone. Call saying that we. We can't have you in for the season. Five which was very painful for her and i have to ask myself. Did i in me holding to that amount of money. Mean that they had to make a decision and shrink to cast so they didn't bring her back for season five yay and by an partially. Probably pay me so you feel bad. Even though it's not your fault you were just getting what you were. Thought you're worth it's called business. Obviously it makes you think oh shit. I hope that she has kid kids. Could you ever talk to her about that. Yeah you did. Yeah and what did you say to her. That i didn't you know i mean. She knows she's part of the bids she's doesn't hold any grudges or anything but But i have a feeling that that obviously you know. That's if i was signing the check so that would be my thinking. We can only afford these many actors. Now if i could have gotten james for half price of goaded christmas for half price or whatever and maybe we could keep everybody round but but you're right about it you take things personally like It's hard to go on where you're working in that atmosphere and separate business from from work you know you're there to also the crew. They're working their ass off. They have nothing to do with us. The other actors have nothing to do with us. But there's this resentment that fills inside of you and you start to think. I'm not appreciate appreciated. I just they don't really care about me. They don't you know. So what do i do. Value me so hard remember. Tom welling setting. Because i was going through negotiations and i remember i was like i. They just made all these promises and they just keep them And so he's like. Hey you know. I see help set. You are like you're not you're fund self. You're not doing stand up to the crew. You're not hanging out. you just go on your trail. You're living your lines unlike but they don't care the business side doesn't care as long as you're delivering your lines they don't care happy you are so don't let them dictate what i mean your happiness and that changed my perspective and a lot of ways like i started thinking you know. What do i do. What you're doing right now is just punishing yourself You're like i'm not worthy. And i'm did you go through any of that. I was playing a character. That was pretty much unhappy. All the time. And i was like super like Mr method actor. So i was getting consumed by this character and i was getting in touch with all the darkness and loneliness isolation the whole time. you're really method on for and i gotta say it's dangerous. The method can be used for film. Because you're in and out for a specific period of time which is usually less than a year and when you're doing it for six or seven years it just keeps eating you and you just keep climbing in especially with character like that. Jesus when you say method what do you like explained for the audience. What you mean. Thank you for a role or a series. What are you doing. That makes it method. Yes so the method gets a kind of a bad rap because people you know Can mean anyway it. Basically you don't get out of character. You're that guy forever. Yeah and you're you're trying. You're just building like i was building a little tiny town in my mind called sunnyvale and in that little tiny town. What's a little tiny. Buffy there was little tiny spike love buffy. But she didn't love him back the way he wanted her to. And and i. I provide all those details so that in an imagination imaginative way i kind of escape into that and it seemed real Sean penn calls it the box meryl streep calls it the sandbox of the playpen. But it's the boundaries. It's that it's it's the boundaries of sunnyvale. You know for for for buffy And it means that once. I escape into that reality once fully kind of believing it. You don't you're not psychotic you don't really believe it but you you you have. This detail. Demanded it of life You can just kind of move within that and in in once you're sunk into that in a way can't make a mistake. Whatever you do is kinda appropriate because you're really living living that life like Daniel day lewis. Who does this a lot when he did lincoln weld everything. Everything he thought. There's one That he Scarlet letter and he was playing a quake quaker. I think Early protestant of some kind He was flayed guy who was a carpenter and so he to the set very early and built his own house and we learned carpentry and he lived in that house vigo morrison slept with his his horse for lord of the rings so that there was a reality being built. That you really can't act. And when you watch daniel day lewis in that film the way he uses. His hands is a workman because he is now and the way that vehicle morrison was was The relationship that he had with his horse because he played a ranger who is all about his horse. That relationship was real so he provided that it didn't have to act and it just was and so it's very useful for film because it you know film is so intimate that it catches acting acting as basically lying rail it really is hungering for an a real docket a real event to happen to document and is not really satisfied with anything less and so the more that that that i can provide myself either through imagination through doing it The less i'm acting in the more. I have it right But it ate me for buffy ages eight me a lot because films for lack of a better word ephemeral. You know it's sort of like you know it's these four months. It's this six months it's three months. It's whatever it is but a series is so when you're going get yeah and i guess you know with the hair and stuff you you. You kept the hair i mean. Obviously it's your hair beside saw some interviews always went on with the colored hair and they'd have to redo it every so often and in a way that helps you keep that character with you doesn't it. I mean they wanna think about method. It's like you're carrying the character with you home at night. Yeah inside of us brought to you by nitsa. It could be a little frustrating folks. Especially if you're in a hurry or you're running late to find yourself at a railway crossing waiting for a train and if the signals are going in the trains not even there yet you may feel a bit tempted to try and sneak across the tracks will don't ever to the naked eye. Trains often appear to be further away and moving slower than they are and they can't stop quickly. Even if the engineer hits the emergency brakes right away it could take a train over a mile to stop over a mile to stop and by that time. 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It's pretty easy inside. He was sponsored by better help online therapy and our listeners. Get ten percent off their first month of online therapy at better help dot com slash inside. That's better h. e. l. p. dot com slash inside get matched with a better help therapist and get started. Did you feel like that. Did you feel like with whoever you're with at the time your loved one was like your spike dude. For most of the time. I i i just went home. I was alone the whole time really. Yeah i was. I would just go into my crypt. I would drive home and being a little tiny apartment studying my lines or walk on the beach alone. Because that's spike. And i didn't. I didn't really consciously do that. I just realized that all of my stage acting was not really working very well for film. And i had to try a new way and i guess i just without consciously making the decision decided to to step into the character and to feel that way but it was a. It was a lonely time really production. Yeah yeah personally. Speaking was it was not the happiest time of my life. Why is that exactly well because you know. The character of spike is all of my darker parts to the side that i try not to inflict on the world. Being a nice person is really the act of not telling everyone what i'm thinking all the time you know right true Trying to give people the best of me not not the worst end so spike spike is all of the frustration. All of the loneliness. All of the anger That i have in me and you don't wanna you don't wanna have dinner with that guy. That guy's not fun so you aren't fun to be around for seven years correct. But jesus but you know you combine that with the script which is delightful and funny and sparkling and everything and that's the character of spike dynamic. You know that's true with any character. You know you you bring what you bring in a new add the script to that and then that's when the character happens but No the the best thing that i did was. I just didn't talk to anybody on the set. I was known as the ghost really. Yeah i know that's a you really didn't talk to. But he kept yourself. I knew nothing about what was going on around me. I like i would freak out the crew because when they said when say second team on a set those of you that means that you actors can go fuck off for a while and when they call first team that means we want you back close to the set and so when as soon as they call second team i would just go and disappear see never ate lunch with people for the most part you never converse with them about unless it was about a scene in how you gonna work. Yeah yeah so you you. you're approachable. You were there if someone needed you but you just didn't prefer being around people. Yeah and. I'm i'm remembered as being very nice guy on the set. I wasn't like you know being a deck or anything. I just wasn't really hanging out with anybody and so what i would do. Is i would lie out. Find a little dusty corner of the set within earshot of the first ad and lie down and rest. Close my eyes all the time all the time. And if i heard either james james marsters or first team i would just appear on my mark and the director of the be like james well. She's we know we. We didn't call first team. We're just talking about you. Want us to heard it over the. I team's being relaxed after a while the cash. You got along with the cast. Yeah they liked you. Did you think probably the always have you always think about what people think about you. That's what we do. I mean that's what i do want people to like me. They'll do right. But did you feel like the cast likes me. They think i'm a weirdo. All the above. I think i understood that. They're both true. I think they. I think they liked me I was easy to work with I didn't. I didn't come in screaming. You know. I didn't didn't have you ever get gerald's temper got upset a lot. I didn't lose my temper. I would go back in my trailer and throw things. Sometimes you would. Oh yeah. But i wouldn't my wouldn't so nobody saw no no scream in your trail out what you'd have to ask them. He can't recall. 'cause you only remember the things that make you look good so i really i. I'm pretty confident. Also in you know. I see i see the cast conventions are we call each other and they always reflect back that i was always really easy to work with and i like they like me so i think i'm probably right. I probably kept that. I think it would have come out by now that you were real dick Yeah i also saw the you know. I know that you did a lot of love scenes or with sarah michelle gellar now. She's obviously adorable and she's great and you're working with and you're lonely and you go home. Was there ever a time where you're like. I've got a little crush on her. I wish she liked me the opposite really the opposite. Yeah so the opposite like you didn't have a crush on her at all. Well i had so. Spike is alive in me and spike is off with buffy right. So that's true but for for many seasons. We weren't in love. And i came to think of sarah's my kid sister who i love very much and who drove me crazy sometimes. I'd know that i drove her crazy. Sometimes course And and we're you know you're working on a tv show in your all. Nobody gets sleep and you know. And so you see the best and the worst in people i like. I like my kid sister but wish he would derive right and so when they said I remember i went to and went jocelyn. I was like look if you ever want me to take my shirt off. Can you not mark ba- lucas me. And just give me some. Give me some lead time. Because i can give the difference between having a body looks good and t shirt and the body looks good without one is just a mountain to climb so just give me a little time to get ready and and he goes. Oh well i'm glad we have the conversation because Get ready over the summer because next season you You're gonna fall in love with buffy. And i was like great idea. Do i've always thought that that was the answer. Because the whole the whole the whole truth was is like if you're gonna put spike in the show as as a cast member right you've gotta you've gotta have him. Stop trying to kill buffy in some way because that was his whole reason for being But if he keeps trying he either succeeds and we don't have show which obviously not going to do or he keeps failing and that's just going to get repetitive. And ridiculous and i always thought they put a chip in my head which meant that. I couldn't even kill a fly and that was funny. But i thought a better idea was to have him fall in love with buffy. Of course she never reciprocates. That would be ridiculous but you can see you. Could you have him try to win her. Love either to an fail either to horrific effect or comedic effect and you could run that one in many different ways that you probably could could put together some seasons on and so i just assume that was what he was doing and he goes. Oh no no she's gonna fall for you to. You're going to have sex so get ready. I was like what. I just couldn't excited me. I would have been like. Oh my gosh. that's great. I mean that's a professional of course but still it's you know people always ask how like doing make out scenes or succeed mike. It's work it's not fun at all. It's like you know but if you're attracted to someone and it's not it doesn't suck i'm gonna be a liar someone to sit here and go well. It's all when i was kissing christian crew. It was it was just. It was like kissing my sister gross. It'd be a fucking liar. She's a beautiful woman. And i was it was. It was didn't suck. Well this is. What had just did not soccer. It's also yeah. This is what happened so so i have this problem. I'm i know. I'm going to have to fall in love with sarah and falling with your sister is a weird thing to be asked to do right now and I went in and shooting a scene where she's selling burgers outside the drive through. And she's got this ridiculous hat on For for her job and her character is just saved. The world obviously dyed gone to heaven. And she gets pulled back by witchcraft. Back down to earth earth in comparison to heaven is hell so she's in hell now she wakes up now she's got this magical kid sister out of nowhere that now. She has to raise because her mother has died. Boy this is complicated so anyway. She's in the shit right and she has to. She has to provide for the kid sister and So she's working burger shop and she's the frigging slayer she's she's like superman to sell burgers for living and she's not bitching about it and she's trying to be nice to rude customers and she's being really really cool about being in this horrible place and so. I'm watching her illness. And i fall in love with buffy. Wow and i was like that's my in. I just found it. I got it. Oh my god. I don't have to pull him up. Sir i love sir but not an and And i was just sitting there kind of like this. This looking at her with misty is she turns around and goes what not youtube james. Everyone's been making fun of me with this hat. I didn't think you would to god broker art. I couldn't tell her no just fell in love with you. Baby no no. I just fell in love my character film. Yeah it's so it's sound psychotic but that's what it is and and yes so. I very much enjoyed kissing her. Because when i was kissing her i was spike in it. Again that imaginative world allowed me the license to to admit that yes. She's very good person to kiss but mark good answer good answer good answer you know what i hate. Hate love cd. I don't like him either. Hey i just feel uncomfortable. 'cause i never feel sexy and other feel like i've looked sexy. No matter what. I workout for a month. Mike you still rosenbaum in a. You're not that you know. I don't know i just i am but i can do it. I could turn it on if i have to. And hopefully they'll cut around it and make it look sexy. They'll add some mike portishead. It's just it's a it's a. It's usually a glamorous scene. They wanted to be glamorous on some way and the word glamour means illusion. So it's very far. It's it's it's far away from reality so the shots have to look so good that it takes a lot more work to create something that is far away from what's actually happening so the more glamorous it is like oh go on and kiss her own lobby above james. 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That's go- chrp dot com and enter the promo code inside and you're gonna get ten percent off sitewide that's go chirp dot com and enter the promo code inside to get ten percent off sitewide. You know look you talked about this. You said what you said there was a lot. It was a big thing with joss weeden onset and you know the whole Way cast mates were treated. What was it something you were privy to something that you noticed something that or did you always feel like he was just a a tough guy knew what he wanted was intense. What was it. Like for you your. I'm not saying that you're you don't agree or you agree with whatever everyone had. Their own experiment has to tell them. They didn't exactly that you're telling you but your experience i'm going to. New york's yeah because i remember you telling me in the first interview that there was a time where he kinda puts you against the wall and said something to you and that was like i said he was joking. And you know so maybe just recap that briefly but but then go into what your perception. Yeah so just in injustice world evil is not cool and i really respect him for that Vampires were just a metaphor for the challenges. That you get over in your adolescence so vampires is supposed to be overcome and He got talked into one sexy vampire. That's not going to be killed off. That was angel. And i was supposed to come in and get killed off and The audience immediately reacted to me. In a way that that made it was gonna make it very difficult to kill me off and the network was telling him. Oh my god keep this guy on the show and all of that and he's like you're basically ruining his show basically forcing him to keep you on. Because you're doing so well. Yes but the thing is is that that is going to change the show from being about a teenager overcoming adolescence into a show. Where where those problems. Kind kinda sexy. Aren't they all those. All this this this psychotic. I was killing people all the time i was shredding. Them and the audience was going. Oh we want more of that. Just like no. No the point is that you overcome the evil. That's the point. So if i was in his shoes i would have killed me off. I wouldn't have pushed me up against the wall. I do wish. I would have killed him off immediately. Saying i know you. I told you five episodes will pay you for five of your dead after two. Sorry that's what i would have done. But he didn't do that. We didn't just got frustrated and figuring it out but there was that day when he he pushed me up against the wall and it started immediately. Go up to you. I don't remember. I don't remember it's there yeah. Yeah and he's in life. I don't i don't care how popular you are. Could you are dead. You're dead you're dead. You got me but you never were dead. But he didn't because he slight smirk to it was your dad. No i said it's your football dude. You got you wanna district all i. You know i. I'd come off producing so i was always on the side. I'm always on the side of production so Your experience onset like the you can remember like you're sitting there and you're in your head cause remember i. You just told me you kind of alone. Are you doing your own thing. So i don't know what you saw peripherally where they're kind of little things that you're like. Oh that's pretty intense. Or that's two things i i kind of. I kind of thought of him as a mad was like as a wizard like able to create magic. And here's another amazing thing but also like don't piss off gandalf because he might smile. Yeah snap will tell you exactly what he's thinking but i just remember one time i went up to him and i said you know it must be wonderful to to wind up this universe and watch it play out. Isn't that exciting. And he goes. Yeah it's great. James except i have to keep winding and so he put an enormous amount of pressure on himself and so i i saw his his Intensity as that as as as trying to accomplish something that was a very high bar and that he most of all put the pressure on himself to deliver that And the other thing. I wanted to say is i was mostly angry at him. That he wasn't around by the time. I got 'cause i i you know i was. He was around for my second season. And i was in ten out of twenty two episodes of that the third season i was in one episode by season four when i became a cast regular and was around all the time he was off doing angel and by the time i was on angel he was off doing firefly so hughes. I never saw around and this is the thing though. This is why. I was mad because when he did come around and and and direct an episode. I was never in it. I was like musical. Well that is yeah. I had a couple of scenes in that. I think i had who seems a nut. But oftentimes i was i. I knew that i'd have the most time off if jostles directing for some reason when he came on. I just wasn't very much party then. He didn't like you. That's what i thought. That's all i was just like. You still think that you still think he never liked. You know not not anymore no It's just that. I think that his mind went to the original conception of the show. Which was his scooby. Gang going through Macintoshes and overcoming things that you know. I'm a purist by nature as well so understand that his mind kind of goes back to the thing But at the time. I was like so the truth is is there was a lot that went on that i that i i didn't see really just didn't see you hear about things. Probably yeah and the thing is that that that spike usually spikes storyline was kind of like a miniature movie within the other movie within the main movie it was a subplot so most of my scenes were with guest stars. I didn't have that many. You know i had scenes with the other cast members certainly but but not all the time a lot of times it was it was with a another. Cast telling a separate story. Would you do a buffy reunion if they did something you know if yes if i have i have i have reticence about it because you know spike is a vampire and i'm not you know. Looks really good for his age. That's that's not what you talk about. A vampire like with the great scene would be buffy and spike it back together and spike. Skit sack li like he did back in the show but they haven't they to look a little younger that you could look. They can use things for you. Still look damn good. But you're not like you know it's you're not gonna twenty years ago i know but stat would. That would be amazing to see buffy with that one like spike still beautiful and buffy aged like that is. That's great but that's sort of what would happen in the vampire world right. The vampire stays young. Yes yes that's the whole sleep all day night rule never die. It's funny of empire and to take a take. Any of that away from vampire character is to diminish them. So i'm that's my reticence. That's why i'm kind of like. I'm maybe the one character where you could do. You could do another a another buffy and see all the characters the see how they were doing now with spike. It's just you take them down off of what makes some cool to begin with just by men they're so might be it might be best to recast it. Do you think will happen. I don't think white no-one wait a minute. Go back you said recast someone well never recast you. There was never if you're spike's spike. I mean they've replaced me. So i don't know why then are replaced me on smallville but they have used other lex luther but there's your spike buffy. Yeah i felt really guilty about doing really well. You lex luther. Oh shit the voice. Just voice for a car. I don't i was i was not bad. I i'm sure you were great now. I'm going to listen to it on what what was it on the cartoon called doomsday. A fuck you had to do is call me. Get average video game called. Dc universe online. But the the thing that i was thinking when they offered it to me was like. I don't know if i don't know if i can have fun doing this character because i know that michael rosenbaum did seriously like like okay. I would never wanna do rebel without a cause because james dean did that perfectly he. I'm never going to be a better. I don't know the name of that character in that film Would've ryan looked at me like. Don't ask me hudson hawk. Maybe whatever was never going to be a better version of that character. He aced that one. So just leave that alone. Conversely item. not sure how good james dean would be doing spike go. We all have the things we all have things we do all right. He probably freaking out if he was if he was cast as spike. Like james actually did very well on that. I don't know if i'm gonna be able to to you know. Make sing the same way. So i was. I was just thinking man. Like i don't i don't know if i can have fun with it because i'm always gonna be worried that i'm just. I'm just down here where it's are. you know. Everyone knows what can be done with the role now. I'm going to be not that. So look more paying me yeah. I'm always happy when i hear civil. How's the voice lex luther. Of course i go. I don't know what an call me. But you have a different voice than i do and you could do. Maybe voice that they wanted her. They wanted to i. This is this is acting. This is this is the world i don't i'm like hey man people like what do you think jay jesse eisenberg. I almost said jason. What do you think. Jason is and my good for him. lex luther. hey. I wish you the best. Did i worked with him. he's really sweet guy. He's talented fuck. Yeah i'm always room for people deep down to. I go to forgive me. Why wouldn't you give me an audition for it. Monday test me. Maybe who whatever reason. That's the only thing that i think bothers me because i did. I was like. Did you like me on that. Show that i do a great job and if the answer is yes then why would you. At least let me say. Let's see what he does for this. Well this is the. That's the only thing that you know. This is the thing bothers me as well. So when i was when i was doing theater i talk about that too much but it was. It really was a a formative time. In my life. I would do a lot of auditions and then out of the auditioners a small group of actors that i thought were really really good and that was my treasure chest and i held that. That was the way money you know. And i would try to add to that treasure chest. I would audition hundreds of. And i might find one more. And i put that in the treasure box but when i cast i went back that treasure box and i find that the best directors you see they do that they bring them back tarantino. Does it says he does it. Allows to gilbert. Have you like somebody and you like working with them. And you think they're good actor then you work with him again. And i and i think you know we're in a very large market here in los angeles millions of so. There are a lot of very good actors. But i'm not sure how many people in town have that mentality. Rather than one of there's so many actors i will find the one that fits the image that i woke up this morning and they will punch the button and they often find someone who will fit that but may not be as good of an actor. Frankly i remember. I was directing a A play called Life is a dream great. Play it's known as a spanish hamlet and sky Robertson layer Who is an incredible actor. Great directors park bucket guy with an l. Problem he is l. Is a little bit back misquote like that right. And he wanted to play the the prince who starts as a deadly villain in and becomes a heroic romantic character. It's incredible role. And he wanted that rolls up and he came up to me and goes and he knew that i was not probably going to cast him any any of those amass co question. James what is more important to have a good actor in the role or someone who fits the role. And i said well robert has kind of. It's a balancing act to try to get both those bullshit. And i'll tell you why because when you you are going to direct us thing and you're gonna go off and perform at larger theater. I know your schedule and your and your customer is going to be alone with the raptors. And they're going to create the product. And you want a really tight actor delivering these words or do you want a lesser actor delivering these words and i took that to heart and cast him and he was the best thing in that. Show the best thing in the show and work ethic new newest part. Could everything everything that it takes to be a good actor. He checks all the boxes. I think a lot of times nowadays. They go connie or john. How many instagram followers have three point. Nine million okay. that's good what's his imdb rating. Oh okay it. There's a lotta things. There's a lot of ables that go with that. But i kind of say yeah i try to be at my age i kind of think i'm just grateful i'm just doing my thing i'm loving you know life is best. I can and trying to navigate through at that. I don't have time to think about why they people we out on a level all we did. Who gives a who gives shit. If i could say if i'm ninety years old when i say you know i did. This did this role in this role. What if you told. I always say this if you told your ten year old self. You're going to do this and you're gonna you take a shit right there on the street like all of the the miracles that had to happen to us. Dude like just coming in town and getting any agent yes any agent is like the biggest miracle to to to get any real job through that agency is easily be working staples right now where we could. Easily by william really like staples and i would be horrible at. I was the worst waiter godawful. It was the only other thing actually get hired for. Yeah there was nothing else that could get hired for. I got fired from so many jobs. Because i was just. I was just pathetic. I was horrible. Maybe because you miserable. 'cause you weren't doing what you love i for whatever reason that is just not the one you wanted to give you the ice water. How long were you on torchwood. Only two episodes. You just did to episode two and they gave me a frigging action figure dude and i only got to episode and i actually got resentful at math in bringing it back from whereas i was like iraq. Come on yeah they will. Yeah and i did. And you work with john barrowman. I loved it. Yeah you did. You hear what happened just in the news today. No john barrowman has opened up on what he exposed himself on the set of torchwood claiming it was up to him to keep the cast entertained. The dancing on ice judge has been at the center of a anyway. His behavior onset of blah blah blah. They came to light this year and the accusations of sexual harassment were made by his former co star. Noel clarke All i could say on this and you know him too is. He's a flamboyant of larger than life. Guy i'm not saying any of this is okay whatever but you know he kinda just. He said he stated like you know. I had sex scene on the show. And so i just try to make people comfortable by just being naked and running around and like there's a certain flamboyance and openness and whatever and that can certainly backfire what it is. I was wondering if you experienced anything like that and and the thing is that he is such. This is my experience. And i can't speak to the john who was harassed. I know exactly what that obviously had a very different reaction to or different right. Take that away from. What i experienced was a man that was so sweet and so supportive so loving so giving That nothing about the behalf. And i've seen his penis. Nothing about his behavior. Made anyone feeling comfortable it. Nothing Which is not to say that. I mean i would say that. His behavior was was was advisable in that it could be taken wrong by. Some people did not know that we gonna upset who you're making uncomfortable and so i'm sure you know we all we all live in the decade that we live in and we all learn from each other. And we all are each other's mirrors you know said that in no exit. We are each other's mirrors. And we we we. We judge what's acceptable by what other people are doing. And we learned from that and and now in this decade remember doing runaways and the first day of work was meeting with the lawyer Though you know hundreds of people in the theater and the lawyer talking about What we do now in hollywood and what we don't do around sexual stuff and i remember thinking. Oh thank christ. Like a thank god. We're going to get all of the rules now and we can all kind of be comfortable together and there's not gonna be all this drama anymore. Thank god you know. But that's not. When when i shot torchwood was before all of this stuff was was given to us by lawyers before all of the people you knew it was made mistakes and and we're learning together and so i i tried for myself. I tried to not judge people for not knowing what we know now Not saying you should've. You should have been where we are now. Ten or fifteen years ago. it's not that long ago but at the same time it it. It seemed very risque but also sort of acceptable at the time. What you heard robin williams on the set of more committee. He would run around naked constantly and he wasn't doing it to in a sexual way and again i'm not saying i'm just saying if you know robin williams and you look at robin williams. And he's wearing. Oh look at me. i'm naked and it's like. Oh my god he's he's he's out of his mind. Yeah he is that season eccentric person. And it's better if we don't do that stuff and we know that now we know that now right. Yeah then he's better. I'm here to say. I was much more relaxed on runaways than any other show because of this because of too because of all the other people. Yeah you just have to. Yeah and you know. And so if he could go back in time he'd probably say keep the pants on today. John i probably would have a sex scene. Well whatever it was i mean. The person got uncomfortable and You're you're right that you make a good point. We know. now it's like well no your behavior that you should have known we all make mistakes. We've all said things that we regret. We had that we're human beings. When are we going to get a break. If we really apologize and want to be a better person yeah and it's it historically. I think because we're looking back now on On political figures you know especially the founding fathers and we're we're really coming to terms with a lot of them had slaves you know and we're recognizing And i think that slavery is the one of the worst things that humanity has ever come up with. A three hundred. Fifty million people died of slavery. That's that's a lot of blood and the ground men and we're still dealing with that. We're recognizing that there is. There is an inherent hypocrisy between the documents that we started with and the behavior of the people who wrote them absolutely. I have to think of. How is my generation going to be thought of in hundred years. And they're going to look back at our behavior and say they were monsters. What what are those issues. And i think the way we treat animals the way we treat planet and things that i can't even be here. There's stuff that. I'm not even conceiving of that that we are going to be judged on but i'm a part of my time i'm doing the best. I can trying to to to be a moral person with what i've got now. Yeah because i think. I always think i'm doing the best. I can argue though locking really doing the best you are you doing. Enough charitable work. Are you doing enough no. You're not just not good feeling what you can now. By the way how are you doing. I mean it's been a been a rough year for you. Oh no pandemic baggage shows. Yeah it's been tough it has been everybody's had their time. But how are you holding up. I very well say yeah. Yeah i. i'm a gamer. So i'll have to stay in in in in This is such a change. I'm going to stay in my bedroom and play video games like okay. I get to do more of that I you know. I mean it was scary. And certainly the convulsions in the country We're scary as well So there was some stress eating. I won't lie you know But you know general My family's done well. I'm doing well. We're both grow everyone's still here. I'm very lucky Most of my friends are still this and whatnot. what's what's what's next year. You know you're always working on something you always writing. You're trying to produce things. Your yeah what do you wanna do. Oh man i i. I'm hoping that a shot. Six episodes of an update of upstairs downstairs in napa valley during the pandemic And i hope that that gets picked up. It was really weird that they decided to shoot six pilots. Six episodes And i think it's because they had a they had a really good relationship with warner brothers and they really were being being told that they had a very good chance of this getting picked up On one of the streaming platforms Upstairs downstairs yet. That was an english show about an english manor where you have all the rich people on one side. You have all the servants on the other. And there's a gulf in between and they're all human beings and we recognize them as full human beings even though there's gulf and so this update is the rich people are winegrowers ranchers up in napa valley and the servants or the latinos who worked the land. And there's a gulf but they're all human whether they recognize that or not. And i just thought what a genius update especially right now to kind of make that point like we're all human beings no matter what the gulf is. We're all human beings here. So yeah yeah. I hope that gets picked up. And i get to play a douchebag you know for a change really yeah. You allows lovable. Abby lovable canvas bags had this shit. Talk with james mars jerseys from my lovable patrons you could join patriot. Patriot dot com slash inside of you and All right message joint supports the podcast These are rapid fire. Or whatever you want kelly s which fellow cast mate. Did you become closest with in buffy. Tony hit amer benton amber benson. Yeah what is the tony headbutt. But because we did chance together which is a movie that she wrote produced directed and started and she asked you to be in it. Yeah wow and and. I came to respect her deeply. Because i i produced on a dime. When was doing theater. It was not expensive by big budget. And she did it she she got a really good film out of almost nothing and she was so smart about how she approached the entire process So yeah i came to love and respect very much my appeal. What is the most rewarding moment of your career. There are so many with so many my god. How can i choose between my children. I it has to be one. I know what that's hard that's hard that's hartman Okay well. I can pull stuff that i've enjoyed and so there was a A i did a six hour original play about the french revolution and six. Our play is back when nicholas nickleby was popular knows in chicago and stand up in an hour so delightful it was. It was so we spent like the normal six-week rehearsal process getting the first three hours ready and we opened that and then the player was struggling. With the second part he was supposed to deliver on opening night so we could start rehearsing opening night of the first three hours. Deliver the second three hours and we start rehearsal at the same time and he didn't and We had about a. I think we had about a week and a half to two weeks to rehearse the second part before we put it up and and that was stressful and i was playing the lead and i was just basically on stage the whole time. Six hours of lines. Yeah yeah and and people would cycle in and out and and a member kind of freaking out and then we go to open the second half and we have no you know and and all of the the the the lighting cues get dumped out of the computer and we have all of the critics off because the first half was kind of a hit and everybody was really excited about the play. And all of the major papers. The tribune was there. All of the big people. Sometimes was there waiting and We don't have any lights and the thing. Is that all of the visuals for the play. Were all lighting because we're changing From france to england we go here and there. And you can't change outset so it's all different lighting and very complex lighting and it's all gone and the director comes backstage and he's like well we're just going to bring up the house lights so they can see your face. Let's let's go guys. We gotta go. We did like that and we did it. And we got a huge standing ovation. And i realized if you have a good script and you have actors who knew what to do with it you can create a product and you can see there is and there's just enough light to see them. You can create a product. That's that's worth money In theater you that's great. That was that was pretty good. That's the highlight this interesting jason. Be what are your thoughts on technology advancements that allow actors to not only reprise their roles with their youth restored if they wished but can actually allow stars to be in films and shows after their death. How do you feel about that well. For like carrie. Fisher or like we were talking about making you look younger a spike. He prefer. I don't think we're there yet. I don't think. I have not yet seen a credible instance of this happening legless in lord. The rings didn't well. How about the tarantino film. He looked younger. And you know what Yeah yeah him to capri all right. Yeah younger definitely One did work and during proving proving. Also irishman was the big one. Oh you know what though that kind of bothered me. Carrie fisher. i didn't buy. I didn't even by the new luke skywalker. Even though i wanted to my mandal oriented. Yeah i gave in. That's that's exactly what i was. I was so invested in that moment. That that i was like i don't care i'm there anyway. If i'm really honest about technology as impressive as it was just not quite to the point where i am not. I'm just. I don't know i don't have to cross any gulf to to to ban so but we're gonna get there as what's your favorite show on tv right now. What are the shows that you're watching you like games see. I just can't keep up ever since it was just. I like up down left right red button. It's it's hard for me. That's easy for me. But i like to be an interactive part of the story where i can decide. I'm gonna talk to you. Know i'm not well. What game you know right now i'm playing New saturns create again because it's so beautiful I have that. But i just i can't even. I don't even want to know what i'm doing so wasted four hours. My neck hurts. And i haven't moved an inch. Just put it on easy so hard difficulty on easy and my favorite game of all time is wolfenstein two because like a castleblaney kind of feel no. It's a total ups to the original. Was probably like that is a first person shooter and use basically know go shot a bunch of nazis but this one is about what if germany won world war two and then came and invaded and took over. The us and half of the us is just fine with that. Oh boy so it's kind of in a way the civil war. It is another the answer. You know what i mean. It's it is it's a way I from where. I'm coming ship of admitting where we are as a country. Just split down the middle yeah and And you get to go down I think it's in louisiana. And her people run around with hoods white hoods and you get to shoot them. And it's you do i read a lot Wolfenstein to the wolfenstein one is amazing. Great game and it's again about killing nazis but the nazi idea killing nazis. It's always fun. Nazi movies. I always love. Inglorious bastards always love documentaries about that stuff. I'm fascinated by it. Because it's such an astonishing time in history that i think you're just it's like you can't get any more evil than mean you can but yeah well that's the thing how can you. How can you get the audience comfortable with killing people and in the if you can someone really villainous than it feels good yeah and down and so that just on conceptual level of of of having me looking at in my own country an honest way and also just. It's fun to kill people in hoods. I'll be honest by the way. Leeann p asks and we talked about the controversy regarding buffy and your fellow cast mates. But you have. You reached out to any of them after all that i reached out to sarah And but that was just texting. That's it i put. I put out a again. You know i feel like i'm i am a. I put out like on twitter and facebook. I put out support right now. you did yeah towards the cast members and and sarah couldn't believe like you didn't know about that stuff going on and i was like i was just about me. I'm sorry i was just into character. She's like oh you're that guy But but that's it. That's it really but you would do. A- buffy reunion. You said you would. If if a script could come. That would be delightful. A that could incorporate the fact that spike aged can't vampires aids. If they want to well yeah. Can i gain a few years because loved you so much. Buffy that aged a few years to be or he's just he's just cannot accept the fact that he's aging. He's just i look horrible. Oh my god. I'm just fooling a pot because he's like at this point one hundred fifty years old. He's one hundred thirty years of not aging at all and suddenly. He's you know spike. You look fine for my age. You know that would be kind of hilarious but it would have to be on the page that would have to be dealt with in a way. That was very very delightful on cool work with. Yeah got along really well. you don't really hang out. Hang out but worked well together always always well in fact he i was really jealous of him in the beginning because my girlfriend told me that she had a crush on him so i hated him but he was nice to meet from the very beginning he was the one to go over to my little trailer and say hey man Can i show you where the bathroom is. Can you know this is where we keep the coffee and and you're doing so well. I imagine the same thing is going to happen for you as did for me. Which is. I started out in the same trailer. You're in now little triple banger. And now i have a bigger trailer. And i suspect next year. You're gonna you're gonna move up and and how nice so nice all the time That's good a good leader. Yeah and and he was just a workhorse on on angel awesome. Yeah i remember. A there was one episode where i was the lead on angel and he had kind of. I think he had the week off and I got toasted. And i came back after shooting that we was monday again. We're starting a new episode. And i sat down next to him. I was like how do you do it man. I don't how do you keep showing seriously. How do they do it. I don't i don't ever want to be the lead on a one hour serious especially network television. I just don't. I never do it. I say never. I'll never do that. I would never do that. I just can't do enough to try. But i don i never asked it would just be the death of me. Michael rosenbaum fifty five years old dies onset of absolute exhaustion. Yeah i don't wanna be that guy. Rather i'd guy who who gets the morning off you know. Yeah yeah yeah but be. The third as lead fifthly come in their skillet crush. It liang seah. Let's do it. Let's caraway actors character. Thank you last. Question your edition. I think we might have talked about this but was the accent your idea or was it. They wanted someone english. They want someone english they they. They They did you tell them. You're english or they knew you weren't english. No they knew. I wasn't An and he wanted a an original london punk rock vampire. That's what he wanted. That was the ju- really work on that accent no I got the audition. The the day that i edition. I think that there was four days until filming. They had their backs up against the wall. They'd been looking for someone for a long time and had found them. And so the call. I guess went out around town. Scraped the bottom of the barrel. You know And they found me down there so i pulled out the accent that i had Just from doing plays you know. I kind of have a workable accents that i would get cast as you know and so i had a good enough one to audition with and remember the lines to remember any of those lines that you i said the first words you uttered on maybe on addition or Or maybe first words on buffy you with that if everyone who said he was at woodstock was know if everyone who was at obviously not well on your hair you were there you that if everyone is said they were the crucifixion actually was the it would have been like woodstock that was the first thing that was one of the first things the one i remember. That's such a good accent. Though i mean people applauded that didn't they love the it got better. I mean like if you do anything for six or seven years. You're gonna get pretty good if we decided to juggle. I imagine in seven years to be really good. So did you find yourself on dates going. Yes i like large glasses. Did you ever do jackson-lee jump in your home. So sorry. I remember one time. I was with a girlfriend in canada. Who's also an actor and we decided to have english accents just walking around a mall. We got invited to three parties in half an hour. Are you serious mike. Wow they really do like english people. Yeah well this was a tree. I li- i like being in person with. You'd like to see you and talk to you and i'm so glad you're doing well. You look great. You look better than you did last time. I had surgery. So i don't look that great but i'm doing fine. Yeah everything's great. okay okay. What kind of search. That was a little mac surgery. They just went in there and they took some things out. That didn't belong in there and now just healing but Should be good to go very soon kick ass. Will you look like you're still doing sit ups which is impossible. Not ryan's laughing's he's sit up. Ask james mars. Thank you for allowing to be inside of you once again. The song street. You're so kind when you're inside. Thank you great guest. 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Canelo, Golden Boy Headed For Standoff With DAZNOver GGG Negotiations

Tha Boxing Voice

1:38:54 hr | 2 years ago

Canelo, Golden Boy Headed For Standoff With DAZNOver GGG Negotiations

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eleven by deal three hundred and sixty five million gennady bingo bingo deal a lot of these purses a lot of his money being floated around was thrown to these people in hopes of making these big matchups canelo vs andre canelo versus gennady body but in these guys the john skipper i accu doesn't make sense perhaps adam fight andre or even a covert lead before facing gennady and risking that trilogies but this we're gonna be discussing this morning ended this topic topic doesn't do it for you guys depending on how fast we get in and out of here we could be back with another topic that's already scheduled set and ready to go is just a matter of turning a key but i'm host nesta gibbs instagram and twitter ness gt oh let me head on out to my co host big mike in indiana a box dot com slash wave home i am not a fan of what we stand for what you believe in something called comeback box dot com yo yo yo yo yo morning ammo nearby bb universe backward another one happy up a if you guys have you show you're gonna like this guy hell a static going on i mean my my my breath when you go back to my champion never guy who should they get us a man i know i'll be back in all my no i do but a you know he's just lay faces man he never get aboard time the renault a cool early morning a what do you call it test to know whether or not is mike is right but mars is right and you know what we're talking about we discuss obviously canelo alvarez is this zoning canelo headed for four eight standoff or they not on the same page are they not seeing eye to eye 'em and i think it's true i think that keep fighting did a good job only article i think that a even if it's in opinion base article i think that there is a lot of credence to what he is saying i mean if i'm skipper the zone and i gave canal almost four hundred million dollars and i gave gennady lufkin man how much do we give nadi like fourteen million the fight steve rose i'm kind of expecting canelo in gennady defy especially when i was a fight that the general public paid for twice upwards of eighty dollars and they did over two million pay per view buys with both fights so of course that is the big fight if you're just zone in john skipper not andre not kover that the pre existing fight the pre existing fight with all the hype with all the controversy with all the highlights alvarez lufkin three easily would be a pay per view extravaganzas if they were still on h b o or showtime it would still cost us anywhere from eighty five to ninety five dollars but dissolve would be pulling a netflix movie given to us at that twenty dollar monthly and if you're ray yearly subscriber you're paying eight dollars for that month when this fight whenever it happens happens but that is the business plan you gotta think if you're john skipper you go out there grabbing all these big fish in the same division not had the face each other but might make good morning how's everything good to have you back 'em how is the fourth of july man and then obviously while you still got that back on what's going on over but it's got back well no i mean i don't know if his background or you're you're you're you're mike has a i dunno it's just like did you just turn it down maybe maybe now is better middle way better we don't already hired my grandmother ever but yeah man have a good for my daughter been here all week all weekend should be here all month so half the top where north and got play more fun activities to do but also the show man seems like a no host the cars but he's really not interested in fighting triple g a third time which i thought was kind of crazy seeing that you signed his contract and they still have trouble gene you know when i'm infamous cutting you off but it's just bringing a little tidbit quote here according to the article boxing seen says they received numerous sources letting them know that canelo has already put you know that line in the sand and say he doesn't wanna fight gennady like he feels good nadi needs to go and do something i could understand i mean i'd be twice notice in a certain time in my opinion with more definitive doing a first time but i buddy one of the first to a as far as the nutty man he might have some you know what i'm saying it doesn't like he's gonna get a big fight which he probably doesn't matter if they had like a car instead the plant a make a bike canelo ticket that big money so if he doesn't like another other still get it this one question i wanna know in a glove condemned by condello who is fighting it if you can't get off my who does look good talk to it seems like another holding all the cards you got code leveling did you know did he got a when worker now that you're issue i think for us this fight fans is like these guys got predetermine purses you know what i'm saying they got the big checks both of them right so they signed to the same network they've already had two fights i don't think any fight fan that's in the know an relies they both went to the same network after h b o demise were packed it up i don't think anyone thought that it would take nearly this long to solidify that third fight i mean you could say there were from joe said man you gotta go fight andre get that bill then i'll fight you did not practice so they always lubick another one that built but he didn't wanna go give us all he wants to see picco proven somebody can be one of these upcoming a one hundred sixty pounds and get their bill but i i have fans as fight fans in you think like you know john gate is due for hunting mill there's no way he's still in control like they own kind of like honestly i thought they own canelo like for hunting male i thought you get to make you get the call the calls right like it's four hundred million dollars i thought they probably did too are or i thought they could have more influence on who could have a face and what i'm saying but it seems like no don't put another fastball up his sleeve have the control of who he wants to fight it is like you guys are worsening triple treat me like jalen smith a circuit court up in who's the other guy cabbages on on guy and i mean just the facts facts callum hasn't gotten they offer any quite mad there was an article we could have done about him but i'm like you know joe gallagher getting upset that he hasn't got an offer simply because canelo as mentioned you're listening canelo can mention you name the same way the ford may whether mentioned andre burrito incurring may feel and boosted both of their profiles you should only be happy not talking back not being disrespectful giving ultimatums when your you're tadpole in this pond the boxing when it comes to comparing canelo so eating getting offer but char loaded on getting offer i'm calling callum smith of tap or when you're when you're comparing canelo alvarez you can make demands contributory no no no no but triple g is not a typo buddies the fading fraud that that that fraud needs the kids the prince a princess real quick i wanna know where i think you turned herself down too much will get it together so good lot edits this hour we do a let me go to super chat while michael dresses that we got sergio goal man says kings nello king of kings her what they're doing i guess that means the he's not upset if gennady doesn't get the third fight maybe he feels the same way king nello feels go do something and you know what my god i hate to be the guy since they already pygmy as the buyers latin kohl's but like bra cannot look at is rising may look what he's done like why should he keep giving you a chance like wilder ninety five steve rose canelo for a two one division above you know how much we beg denying the move up we want it to super fight woodward he refused he talked likely to be ward they talk like they want it that smoke with war but now they were that fine so canelo moves up and were were criticizing him no gennady needs to do something he knew canelo just for jacobs good not just for rose i mean come on so now if canelo gets the super fight wick overlap he goes improve your i'm going up against the solar guy against the proven puncher i'm open up divisions now just sick not just sixty eight seventy five to one common what's he gonna do in the meantime i don't want you to address anything i just said except who the fuck you think he fights and keep in mind the he's gonna wanna lose only raising the profile i'm also the star fight gets even better yeah i mean there's only two options in my opinion you has you gotta look at kevin smith as big a uk fight possibly bushes bank brand over there or pasta look at the wb oh the majors andre fight they could possibly be a big fight warm in the bill or that this is us a slippery out here what about billy joel's audience we all know billy joel's at one sixty eight but he might have interest in coming back down to one sixty i think rick warren was on a interview last saying that the big fight bilbo arc no low energy but it became then he will stay at one sixty eight so i think that could be another little a monkey or rich whatever you wanna call it that could be a and the players but yeah if skill of color mantra but you gotta find somebody that is credible in is far better than rose well how much time just cannot have to make a decision september fourteenth is the date right so today is july fifth should be by now about a week ahead he's so he's got a week but by the fourteenth 'cause you want like a credit came right you want that they want a personal right you want to show you gotta you gotta make a decision and this is exactly why this article came out today because if you're dissolve you don't wanna rush promotion this is your biggest promotion 'cause if you're his own you're pushing triple gee versus canelo three this year biggest promotion everybody expected this'll be on pay per view now you you just bombard to world would advertisements get the men here at that hundred dollars a year or that twenty dollars a month you know that's a steal canelo pay per view at sweney you could even advertising like that canelo paper views no longer eighty dollars one time fee on dissolve twenty plus you get the whole month keep the one you know what i mean but what i'm saying they can't do because they did a good job with jacobs econo with oppressed or they can't wait to city weeks six weeks and try nelson and tried to rush out oppressed or maybe they could maybe that's part of the the playbook over the no one saying get him in a quick care and take them out who knows exactly caesar canelo just for jacobson everyone was saying that he's finally finding someone victim seven billion humans on earth can't all the same drink that's why circle k has pulled her popping flavors and make about one in seven million next just right for you in just seventy nine cents each when it comes to investing in innovation trustee experts robo global provides laser focused investment portfolios the deliver access to robotics eight i in healthcare innovation globally vh tack portfolio captures the technology is transforming the medical space providing unique exposure to best in class companies investors returned to this diversity approach back by research from experts learn more today at robo global dot com slash htc pete canelo what happened just took care business again and they hate continues it's like and that's what i'm saying about superstars superstars is handled at do that or you know jess tuneups like tuneups handled it do you perceive to be their biggest threats as non threats you know 'em but if you're gennady he might or at least if you're you're tom offer would you really let gennady fight andre because let's say he could knock out andre let's say he could land the punch in those twelve rounds i still believe andre makes them look very bad until the punch lanes do you think he making the worst of already like already in the first six rounds i don't know i think i think andreas fresher has has had less battles laura but by laura back dealing with pretty fresh though he wasn't like we we we we come up and that was buddy you know laura unfortunately is swaggers andre has slack you know what i mean in that carries into the ring i believe i people gonna be like what the fuck this mythical swagger that so joe louis slag mess all right maybe they they used that back then but i i just i feel that that confidence you know the way he talks and don't get laura talks that taught in spanish though it just ain't coming across you know he's older at this point i can't go back in time machine i can't jump in a hot tub he now any shorter been andre andre this bigger so no man i think i think they don't want that if you triple g you you you you take that fight listen you can do a lot you can do it it's a double edged sword right you take that fight and you prove assigned to the fans but you're also proven to yourselves self the canelo who's the boss he just told you what the fuck to do and you had to do it right and if you do take that fight then you risk andre being as slick as good as we think is and making you look bad or old we already perceive you'd be so then now you look old it could take some of the lost off the fact is not automatically saying canelo spence that version of triple gee lookout andre did but honestly know what i'm saying if you already got their forty five million in the banks do you really give a damn if you if you if you say i'm sorry you already got their forty five million dollars from others zone in the bank do you really care efficiency subject guys are will you get another contract from his own after this one is up well according to the article and then let me see if i could just find in tom doing if alvarez word fight kover lead andre monkey a it's tricky because the zone gave the lufkin that fourteen million and a half have to fight steve rose fourteen point five yeah hey hey not gonna do that again while canelo goals in fights one of those bigger names right but the issue is that alvarez contract is a little bit different right if he loses it changes so he also can't risk you know i'm looking for the actual line in this article i don't know if you could find it wouldn't be just a rush thing it says skipper skipper king give the look and another over mess opponent yet you former ears being present also offer will be gotta be careful for about not getting the looking knocked off by some someone such as andre looking could be andre as well if andre defeated looking however it would be almost impossible to go back only third elbow array of a tribute to fight insect next line be four lows reasons skipper committed more than a hundred million three thirty silvio hundred mil they gave that chant now obviously i know doesn't no the exact number more than a hundred mil it was a nine figure six fight deal you know so photo afterwards he is in the article chat nine figure deal six fights plus remember this day gio plus two minutes to me how in the fuck are you gonna offer deontay wilder undefeated wbz chevy just saying they offered triple g the save ain't it ain't the same they they they may triple take two extra fight sport don't go on a million yeah but you can't get mad at dumped triple gee got two million pay per views under his belt why would a guy and who he knew it don't matter you know he got it out of here right now do matter you're right name is his residence just cooper who who am i gonna put the left in the ring with i don't wanna get embiid i mean i i gotta fight i know i know we know we need he's the star by did you see rose no i know watch defining moments you fucking a dominican republican joy mother fucking vacation you're about heroes or could you know i i don't even go watch a chance they are number go well again it's like you're arguing it depends we match but what you do know is that he's had so absolutely lutely he's a star or he wouldn't have gotten off biggest six fights he just won the got it he's still dead listen the same way we discredit triple g for doing a hundred and seventy versus david lemieux in a hundred and ninety one hundred and sixty vs daniel jacobs you gotta give him credit for doing a million at the partner with canelo like you can't do that mike he he did two million pay per views pro now you'll even be other one that's right and guess what his own son do offer and big bucks defy sergio martinez so mad mad mad mad at madison mattis mattis arm saying there's another this kind of housing william smith like another do we know about three hundred thousand will share so yeah you know twentyfive bro he just six we're con but then people trying to diminish that say like full something with a okay okay okay okay okay but i always run with the first number because i feel like the first numbers over the the right number you know i i don't know which one you want that first number this is how normally works in my almost ten years maybe more now at this point of doing this when they bring out that first number the company that you know put on a show always tries to say that isn't the right number so why wouldn't you believe it's the right number right of the company the put on a show oh he's gonna wanna greater number so i mean at least it's the gauge at the i'm not getting why why what john is coming up at the server and they're kind of position because he thought like all of us that they canelo would do the fight while but how'd you well you're talking about the canelo fight then you talking about building andre 'cause you wanna listen you want cannot win if you're skip you gave him more money than you gave triple g you almost tripled right so what you wanna do is you wanna get that last fight and then when you got triple gee done now you used to build up a middle way it's like it's all lesson with andre don't give a fuck that's what we page for bill dandridge younger career using your name and will be interrupted in a possible another then he jacob prematch or is it still going to know jay according to ronnie shield so obviously pbc in in in the know obviously because he has jamaal charles blow and i interviewed him a couple of days ago and i'm like yo charles still got jacobs beefy like jacobs moving and one six he moved over he's gone that's what he said he's gone we can't think about on jacobs is gone he moved to just sixty eight m so you know look but chase so my man that's what the fuck i'm saying only cannot be a superstar bye bye bye unbiased 'cause i i'm i like my champions the do trust things you know connecticut fucking are moving a sixty yeah you got beef with his do motor sixty eight turnaround hold a press conference like wow the give some big dog shit my man makes you beat me up and you're headphones tra low get some big dog shit or should i say some lions only shit do a press conference and say i'm i'm issuing a challenge to daniel jacobs if i gotta go to dissolve one fight so beer you got deontay wilder sentiment and why does he think of one fight deal so why do you can't say the same same thing you ducking me i wanna one fight deal with his own i wanna fight daniel jacobs says sixty eight i wanna do canelo they cannot look to move up and fight somebody at sixty eight who wait really a sixty eight pound will suck it out move up in really fight of a a a dude who at least you guys think is good great but but understanding the but not everybody has the cash shape or be lottery ticket like nettle has we know if another moves up to one sixty eight one fifty four one seventy five he is automatically gonna be in a big sur five years canelo lufkin guys him like a hey eighties me more down the hill kevin like i think probably would do a good against a a glove but what kind of cash i do to kevin gift from beating a thirty seven year old man who's coming up to lost were who's coming up one into rector of hell are you telling me the callum smith will look at triple g and think that's not a big fight for him i think triple we look at kevin smith staying that's too big of a risk in the lower war in kevin probably would like the fight but at the same time i'm like yeah but that's what i'm saying ended a big fight whatever the point of this article like is it is it is it the zoning golden boy in in canelo headed for some beef or is it the zone where everybody because now you're telling me triple g doesn't want cabin so like you gave these dues a hundred million plus four hundred million may still get to decide like what the fuck what kind of nick hundley licking watch who triple gee versus so like you know what that's a safe fight that is safe fight but it's not not the right fine you wager building a fight you ain't road to know who we gotta check your i can't do it you check google marquez and then you'll be able to see pack out who they fall before they fought each other every time they fought each other like come on man triple g the stop this you need to stop this we deserve mccallum smith fight we deserve i dunno challenge let me go to my rankings here at sixty eight we got one sixty obviously is andre you that's a bit dangerous so move up to sixty eight do like canelo look it's vacant any idea that number one number two look in the wb see yvonne year germans did people for him right people for whom anthony darrelle for him chris eubank for him maybe that's the fight chris eubank is a big name but he's went out human understanding might be difficult but it also so might not be difficult because these kind of his own strike some of these uk do you own boss like amir khan maybe the eubank gennady lufkin fight which was rumored before this history they sell this you can build this maybe that's it but you can't sit around and fucking fight nobody's at one sixty you know what i'm saying don't put amid i mean i yo hey before her may men were more careful becky on the first time called a guy named derek gardener thirty thirty five and one the second time going through the second fight you guys any rocky warriors twentyseventh three your fourth time he fought a guy name liker ramos yeah all tuneups cubs game mona about it before you even say anything else who's older who's retired who's living off that loss or win you know marquez had to do that he is the triple g o v equation bet you pat guy wasn't doing that you go back i bet you he was fighting names he fought sir he fit in to go there many packed rally there mike operetta to finish up her career and that is bradley that's a that's a man we're mark two oh four fights were were packed yeah yes yes yes not packed smoke member mark here at the first term he fault shit marcos antonio beretta yeah they in fact that i see back yeah you go venue for the second time before these guys follow shane mosely i put forth out any team braley demand will then you fall britain areo dinner dinner timbale unless i'm saying they saw him where carrying the east side is 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the debate mhm i just hope the song was smarter the net when they sign these guys had to put some stipulation in in in the contract that you guys must fight each other or you can't get this money on saying we want this to be maybe fall twenty nineteen or summer of twenty twenty i we need despite so hopefully there's almost no i know john skipper is there any man what we do know is this delay on why came out and said that in his tyson fury sbn deal there was no tyson fury attached to it so who knows if on this natty his own deal there's a canelo attach but if you're i mean like you said like the whole show if you're upstart in the usa and you're trying to box what bigger fight is their side where weather by josh when the water but in the states is canelo in the left his mark kelly fans know that five because it's own tysoe why not have that that that stipulation in the country i'm not understanding that i mean maybe they do end up not just choosing to exercise their right now in maybe it comes next year but hopefully just put that in the country so what do you think happens i think a a covert in a in a in a fight i think either triple jeez fights kevin smith or i mean who else what what we sell me like billy joel song this andre but those a tough fight for y'all y'all wanna lose maybe callous no he's he's he's still green still your so i just don't see him be andre or maybe maybe not bill let's go to joe like good boxer on the back foot and joe's i really liked the hard things but the right version of andre despite the the boxing technique is you're both both southpaw both both are very very good boxer so i just think that fight i really see no sam before everything happened between billie joe andre i really really want to see how that i would have played out but we ain't get that she so a bank is a ballot briefly portrait pudgy andre smith soccer's that's apple nobody else like this and nobody knows mixing danny jacobs but who knows well about the get adam cup knock your yes becoming a shoe heavyweight contender cnn had a very very impressive victory over joel joel watched in his last time out they also had a good fight with charles martin in a really really been on they know it's a really got the ball rolling it really a i wanna see how this fight with him in a chris chris early right it's correctomundo i wanna see how that goes across the area that's coming up a big a knockout down in dallas only a space in garcia card there man this rat so it's gonna be exciting to see him in a human adam you know speaking up and we got adam hockey on the line now adam how are you good morning and first and foremost thank you for taking out the time the give us an opportunity to interview you know you need deep in training camp where you're fight with chris ever yola and you're getting that aside treatment man you're main event you're gonna be headlining in the barclays center how how are things going with camping out how were you feeling about being this a headline is good right on tatum train hard 'em misprint already doing on eight ten round so 'em in good shape already a goal more weeks left so just stay healthy keep picking the co workers are kelly to a showcase myself opposite speaking of spiderman a i posted the picture from i think staples your instagram a big babies but it definitely showed that in camp your with joey to well go who is just in campbell anthony joshua and rumors were running rampant did he dropped sparring and you were in their way they are obviously controversial controversial big headlines with big baby miller who tested positive for banned substance in one of my favorite up and coming prospects in the heavyweight division might polite coffee so first and foremost i guess you care about the whole big baby in the speculation you guys go back i know big baby said you're brothers so you had no fear stepping in the ring spar yankee coming back he's given the jury you're i don't wanna get back on my you know eight eight cabbage the the old me i'm also trained what you guys work yeah you know the gym is open for you whatever you like we responded i said a fighting can't he came through punishment go round i know he's he's he's back in shape seeking the last two rounds but you go fight you know you're also has a fight so a a heart to around a rather jolie so a great sparring a keep going on and you know what i mean like i dunno where you're baseball than the who i have right now but no no fears that you know i mean obviously he was just throwing some banned substance no fused in any of that stuff were still in his system that could it could add some sort of advantage to him in sparring at all i mean yeah it sucks but he told me the story a you said it was emotional he will work that's where the sun some positive i dunno it is what it is that meeting is to round out they only you got beat up you know for sure so so how was it man i mean hot 'cause obviously the that fight was a you know rumored between you in in in in in in big baby 'em you know we don't know if it will ever happen but i mean obviously you spar with him before i've i've i've gotten the cu spar in upstate new york with him in my polite coffee so i mean but what do you think do you feel like you could be a bandage all over him i mean it's foreign i mean we that's very don't make sure we all before things in sparring right now he's in shape i'm trying to look up some things that could look at every ula so there's definitely a sponsored by bad as what sparked that that school or matters is the fight night where everybody sees what you liberty it's far in exchange for sure let me introduce you to my co host michael gross i'm gonna pass through to him and when i come back i'll have some people's questions might take it away how's it going mr cohen now ski right cornell ski 'cause i'm primarily south of my my draws a little bit different how how's it going this morning man is good for the weekend wasn't while birthdays back to stay a buffet breakfast at that a spot where they say all smiles in my first question is you coming out some pretty dominant performance is how important is it to get chris area all the out of there is spectacular fashion to just create more buzz about you i think it's key i mean everybody's like reading him all a little bit older so i gotta go in there in a perform very well but a fight man he he's a warrior comes clarence thomas i'll be right but i gotta make a statement you know i've been doing in the senate as quite now a i have a question for you before andy rubies was offered the aj if i was there any discussions over you and him possibly fighting on down the line a report of a human he he called me out a show may maybe yeah of course i don't see why not me a little bit of grief fight i think so there's a great fight alice better place to get those adults are definitely a it was definitely probably one of the options now i have a question about you for the you're aj jay standpoint as a heavyweight it it's like so different guys you got hit so hard it was knocked out his last night do you think they should rush back into a rematch horse shit he say you know what i might need a tuna then go back in or she go right back into a rematch after being knocked it out i think yes rematch is he willing to trade away a he couldn't he will be able to match is a rematch clause and they have to remind you again which would it took a long time maybe so are you a but i think he he's showing the world was a fluke or or he's not that great you know so i think think a man he took he took he made the right choice especially because that kitchen york because we might hear i think that he should have said they're so you respect that decision i i respective from a like you said a man standpoint but i think it's the wrong decision man he loses a controversial fight my man got a little bit beat up in there so you know he needs to recover mentally but who am i tell them not the get i do have some people's questions for you 'em rock monitoring group says do not take it personal that big baby might have been taken juice when sparring i mean it is what it is i mean we spot you gotta redo like it wasn't like fight still loves her bigger so it's a tough question i hope he wasn't taking i never asked about about it you have your passwords that site which which i was h h kept within that time so i'm not really goes wrong you know those words we got brandon more recent cincinnati says do you regret not taking the shot against aj seeing the success we've had an westport sees in possibly two more fights with fury it doesn't look like you will get wild the shot any time soon a boxing is crazy i mean even the opportunities that supposedly came around you know i have a great team behind me from my train coaches kick kick symbol to my managers without him in the economy i mean you have a robert half of which were on a clear right now like i'm the headline the cabal consensus on building my pain better to have that fight to be around one of the champions i won't be a big star to which will make a lot more says no but it's more like a small part of you like man fuck i knew i could be the guy may be i know i can veto why i take their fight part of you that this that i mean i i only my bed i'm gonna play out there with my style it's really hard to a will try to silence me on i wasn't ready six weeks six weeks out i was lying in fighting shape posted being oh what a risky and then you never know what will happen with with with the sparring stuff you maybe a new agey would have had that he will have a good day around will look like like like you know like not that great ever like why took it a schedule schedule and stuff like that i think i've got my role is focused on myself a this little mix charlotte good on a start speaking of a sparring did you hear any rumors or things coming out there they're aj was knocked out like it'd be more been been a public hurt since you spawn with joey i mean you know i had i had a spy chastain spy 'cause just pouring in the idea that you know honorably the first hurting that might that might not be there you know i also just wanna say before i move onto the next question that i respect a you know what you just said about not taking the fight because he was not in fighting shape you know a lot people with a ticket because of the opportunity and the financial gain but you truly believe you could beat him if you would have had eight ten week camp and i respect you for saying that you were not in shape where many would have just you know made it about other things except actual you know physically not being ready we got jordan baker in california says seen how eddie hearn does things would you trust him with you're career i mean i just i imagine you know i'm tony i would trust that that their career i will for four year our five years i that's the guy they trust you know i i've been pushed right way the right fights very competitive fight a social that that's how i feel right now that's why i trust all right matthew gar ceasing texas says thoughts on chris our yola things you see that he does that goes with your game plan so what do we fight i mean i mean people watch that fight it will be at war so we go string offenses strikes again knock a he goes i i thought last week both soft opening then we personally like we like i grew up i was thinking i just to say he was like on top of the hill fighting like attack lipscomb all like big names so if somebody like i grew up watching to you know so they fight fight somebody a they just do the same size me and they took as a fan i love towards the fight for the like they'll be chose you know but yeah but still a purchase or lease of a little bit of cash by some of that now obviously deontay wilder faced in back in two thousand sixteen as they late men front of bird watching nurse to online dancing firefighter nobody's just one thing that fly polar pop and foster earn either choose from all kinds of flavors and make your next polar pop and foster just seventy nine cents each at circle k limited time only at participating locations now's the time to find you're color you're page and everything gets dirty dirty red white and blue savings at the home depot transform any room is easier than ever with the best deals online and in store you can confidently selectric color in the tools where you're next paint project get a colorful experience experience of the right people the right price save ten dollars off one gallon cans and forty dollars off three and five gallons from limited time only at the home depot more saving more doing limit twenty gallons per household see store for details replacement a because war checks a test positive and he got him out of there in eight obviously you've been linked to wilder as a potential next fight a are you thinking about that in the back of your mind you gotta do a better performance than him or is the win just a win oh yeah i think like deep in my heart i won't get him out earlier you know a guy at this overthrow washington chris ivory over is you're gonna be our third common opponent i think i hope to stop earlier than a better fashioned while they're did it all right the next one comes from add this year mohammed are you a think that's the same one about big baby so will move on thomas boy says has wilders people reached out to you for a fight a i mean both human so it's definitely somebody works but a i think a i gotta bring august third you know that you're right now that's what got scale i went august third man we gotta see a he's i know you gotta take his business and a will see but the boxing is crazy so a abc's overnight like we just saw without injuries won't fight between all the game over all the peace around so i got they focus on myself up to look will preserve so i wanna go back to the shears even though he did ask you a question we've already axe you don't need the answer that but i did wanna give it a second part which is a some sort of a compliment it says a word of spot and big baby since he was coming off a steroid band o n did you warned him about his health taking such things by the way i'm ready to die is a great line you should have a copyrighted will be talking about i'm ready to die that's something you said in the post fight yeah you're intimidated me in a while they're just want wanna knock out everybody just play on words wilder said he wants to kill somebody in the ring your rate that has like you now like director okay now he says you should have it copyrighted so we got two more the latter it comes from christian fight fan he says what's up champ how many more fights do you think you need before you will be ready for a shot at a strap i think you worry problem any of the top dog seems division because you let him go i i think i'm ready to be a former champion charles martin former contender now just a waiting game you know making sure the starting lineup and the right way well i've got a you know a full week for camp in a note gets gets a world that none of us had we out there how's it going adam my last question is we have a boy fight later on this morning doing why after rebirth how do you think frank going you know who you think wins a great fight vote for a great great fighters both come forward so conscious so that the the british isles don't get a knockout you know what you're thoughts on dillion white 'cause he's obviously in the running for a while defy himself especially from a political standpoint you know he's pushing the fact that he's been a wbz contender for over six hundred days do you feel a with the level of opposition denise face he does deserve that while the shot and he should be next before fury a smattering i suppose preventing suicide man oh oh that's again to the talk talk politics tough situation over a boxing is it's the way it works sometimes you know it is what it is i mean if he does that mean they are sweet a little bit more not that a ray of course who they who could they be less anyways i haven't really i don't remember any mickley brown like i never which is laura directors are okay oh yeah i mean i guess he has some pieces me i mean why is it that you go see some every challenge you took you you know like he he's not afraid to like credentials his fight fighter maybe you go out at two oh to get that number one spot in the future you know who's gonna be mandatory oh so you would ever know what happened in a fight why as they final eliminated from the wild shot is that's what happens that means you gotta win see what happened you know what i mean that's what takes maybe i'll go get like i'm pied i've yes i'm getting before right now they bid hey it's it's definitely an option definitely well that's okay i do wanna thank you are number four in the in the guy bs and i see you as number five in the wb b c m wow okay twelve in the wb hey no wb offer you see it's like they like on you hey in so how does how does that work do you have to pay each individual sanctioning body to be ranked or do they ranked when you only pay when you gotta go for a title or eliminated i think you only pay when you go like title but i mean the guy that is for somebody to which was shot you know like what's what's bad real bad hey he's number fifteen at three went from number two overall in the rankings yeah that's crazy i mean i don't mean why wouldn't oh so you hold heavyweight linear titled thing right do you do you put any credence to that or is it just this fictitious thing that people have gravitated towards no no no no no no no let's keep keep it real saying what everybody's been thinking do you think this lenient title shit is something that wilder created to make a big fight with tyson fury now has gotten out of control yeah i think so i mean listen to the rules like stashing bodies to make rules to make sure everybody's fouls and that that's what it's made for i definitely have government that's why the vote counts and can be a halfway house doing drugs and being a world champion what kind of had to to the regular price fans i mean so he lost the title and that's it i mean then type in a deadly crash one the while they're full for instead of doing a rematch way he decides how top rank so we created bs title yeah i mean it's it's crazy man i mean overall i wanna title the one one time he has and that everybody agrees to you know for sure man that would be a beautiful anytime that you have see that has right i mean wherever they did you have see campaign is known as the best fighter in a may right boxing we have the b c w i began the day all these titles and it's like like a casual boxing fan of federal court fan because the world champions and it gets confusing so my thoughts silver tyson fury is he's a fucking great box man the trooper the he's a great boxer i am really like the vladimir performance in eighty four punches between two people divided in the twelve rounds it wasn't good wild the performance i was like holy shit he's back he's a sub style for anybody would you take that fight is it because it's not necessary obviously you've been fighting common opponents were deontay wilder so you're lincoln yourself to him you're highly ranked any idea you're highly ranked in the wb see tyson fury is obviously going for that wb oh they just ranked higher than dillion white who's been there longer so you know do would you take a fury fight right now i gotta go like i mean he's he's i think he's drawn to the top top three top foreign fighters right now in the region but but i mean i wanna be a champion you know a social that gets a title shot and yes you know the reason i ask because obviously e s p n is offering everybody in you know in the media the headlines have been looking for unamerican opponent there even considering general miller you know so that consider is someone who just tested positive who's who's only gonna be off his band in october they would obviously consider someone who's gonna you know who us the media perceived to a company brooklyn versus aerial and we we think you're gonna put on a star performance so it's only gonna build your profile even bigger in new york city where fury needs to come back and fight right it just makes sense as a new york city fight you versus him but again it came for you team it might not make sense because there's no physical title unless you believe in that league title but he claims the half that size is yes but all of that fight like i see all the way down the road and like it makes it being a superstar i'd be very definitely agree and he housing on the fight i see how turns out he'll sell that fight how how do you think the press conference we go with with you and him i mean you see he was trying to get on the while the skin he'll get all in your face i mean how would you handle the pressure of tyson fury in a in a three city press to the i met him and he was very respectful shows me that he mentioned like a couple of comments to me i could fight a mother mastermind they kill you fight when a lot of their fourth street for the other companies to take you out of a great fighter and she the real cool you know so i ask for news on the economy kudos to him so yeah i'm only very respectful silencing the media but you know like i was in brooklyn meal that little talk star of the show where we wanna take too much more it's on my jumping in the car don't want to drive in and talk and i wanna thank you obviously again for coming on the show we truly appreciate you coming on the show man people's chamoun like we like to say if you can't give about the social media for those that are involved you can do so by eight k baby face on twitter and on instagram at a i don't want to be on a baseball look at a man once again thank you so much and a can't wait to get you back on so good looking you fight we know you're gonna you know bringing home a they added ladies and gentlemen adam come knocking 'em said all the right things might all the things answered all the people's questions and a definitely i like he i look at how really kept it would be baby you like shit i didn't know you were taking office and we talked to said it was a heck elbow sudden about the elbow surgery 'cause that's where i respect respect number four the fact he said he'd take the aj fight because he just wasn't in shape and then you gotta respect and forget and then they would pay be a no right i should have other things actly but that's what friends before right big lead they were brothers and they were in fight unless they may send send a review my brother then in a time where the world center back on me the last thing i want is my brothers and my back on me so shutouts adam gates a lot more respect for him to this interview just little things you pick up as you you find out about a person's character but i do think that he in tyson fury if you know if he just feel that fury fight from wilder and i say feel because top top rank is looking for in american the looking for an american maybe the situation with big baby gets a little too sticky right he tested positive maybe they can't get him approve maybe the commission says no the city's the top rank wants to host scary right let's hypothetically assume be obvious vegas new york what if new york where he is from says not chat you only the best six months that's not even enough in our eyes so adam becomes a player you know he's gotta shut out the barkley bro like he's it's it's it's time you know i'm shocked that into potential i i believe it's because they obviously got brett your michael naughty advisory team with hey man and he his brother fucks with or he fucks barkley barkley got the pbc deal but your potential center is where the m pose people like yo adamant what's killing the potential center now i guess it don't matter because it's like on the tickets new jersey okay okay they got parking man come on y'all like what's up boxing fans we gotta start standing up for us i wanna go to new york and ripped off or adam come knocking at sixty eight dollars parking or have income potential same size arena parking you know joe's crash right oh goodness you man i i just be forgetting that you guys got people parking area part i man i gotta say brianna brianna order tunnel you know and i do need the bridge or a ton of every zano bridge i'm i'm i'm boozy like that like i don't fuck with traffic so i go i go to the gospels bridge in of arizona's british come into brooklyn and get there faster but that's expensive you taking the most expensive bridge which is the very zama benue taken the gospels which is an extra fucking so so you know what you gotta do what you gotta do 'cause you know the workers in new york 'em gonna open up these phone lines i'm gonna give mike obviously it's time and say some final thoughts and we're gonna get out to see what you guys think and maybe we'll be right back like i said i got another one already it's you know it's locked and loaded i'm telling you all i gotta do is cock it back and we could go live but mike a final thoughts before i go to the super chats and the people triple g you gotta do some baby yeah yeah yeah yeah i agree i agree let's get this refreshing but in the meantime we got nazia with another one with some screen sharing this says if king mellow fights earl nella wins by stoppage you'll do it right you celebrate july fourth throwing a backyard barbecue lows does it right civil july fourth savings help get you started treat yourself to a new grille and save fifty dollars in a char broiled performance five burner gas grill now just two hundred seventy nine dollars an spruce up your landscape before guests arrived in save in stormy with five bags of premium mulch for just ten dollars whatever you need to get ready for the holiday do it right for less start with lowe's 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when they fight canelo in texas stop it let's do this cannot lose the ace champ piece you gotta remember the shit ain't no bias just eight side is always gonna be d h own would people girls could be bro usa man i wish i had that sound by are you dumb because let me tell you something when has al hayman fuck fox and earl gaining control when has out not sent his fighter to go fight canelo go ahead i wait 'cause let me let me let me just give me refresh refresh your memory daniel jacobs still human fighter for low end left pbc the go find the canelo all right he he went h b o laura to oh don't forget trout to why won't he sent her the next star why won't do the same thing that they did they cannot lincoln number four forty one little lost to the superstar pound for pound king is moving up to hunt it inside of you lose earl go get that cash like hey i don't they know the girls are the are the pearl that everybody think earliest known saying so i don't i mean i will be a hard argument none of who god what do you mean what do you mean laura trout and i said oh so you daniel jacobs inject you cook my what my jacob mike daniel jacobs wednesday equivalent in a hundred and sixty pound division closest thing equivalents andre ward stop it i know whoa i know whoa whoa let me let me explain before you leave all right i know who this war didn't do a big pay per view numbers ward was considered the darling ward what's considered an american hero meddling gold medalist year so what i'm saying entire division champion yes yes and daniel jacobs is a two time one divisional chan multiple offers come the the the beyond burger now they're doing i mean you you know they know who were who are going well absolutely no way i can literally kind of because guess what we counted if canelo right we just canada over there by hey we just canada's canelo and you you my friend count it when we just had it right then reaches for the regular no well you kind of helping you count of his his little you count is local wbz what's taking pictures with mike style ended it with the interim titles essay bang same same as a regular come on chat same as regular now it's totally different guess why is only different 'cause now the wbz decided to make a franchise champ we're no different different knowing 'cause think about it it ain't franchise champ is not divisional it's fighter based on fighter so in actuality the interim title still closed as much weight as the regular wb eight title all right so so back to the main topic how do the halos they jacobs one sixty fucking andre ward let do first of all he was a a fee nom coming up right to go into multiple multiple talking about right now and again i'm going to explain you said well he's more like how you know what i mean so 'cause you keep saying he said it wants to guess what he never move he's only forty one sixty four career so so let me let me defend myself i so coming up my man is like earl like hot hot to how the market new york the multiple division golden state national champ all i said golden gloves everything nickname golden child went up for title like at twenty years old live orange peel off his face on h b o to boom you've got stop right so the news is oh he got stop wilder fight what's happening grandmother died he was diagnosed with cancer he he supposed to walk let alone fight he comes back bills that becomes champion again knocks out peter calling in new york becomes the new york chant so to speak right and then hunker down triple gee some believe he beat some gets the canelo shot like what i don't understand what you're talking about brother absolutely like he had the story and that's why i think heyman did allow because he could have he could have built offer canelo win like if if if earl wins what does he become chant so you're saying no he let him go 'cause he's secondary no i think he let him go because jacobs with that story in a win over canelo would have been a franchise franchise listen over here i know the numbers on pay per view versus cannot work over here in the tri state area which means new york a connecticut in philadelphia but you got a squeeze in new jersey because that's where i'm from and i got to see him plastered on buses you know for the new york presbyterian church he was a the you know the face of cancer in new york h b o the numerous stories disowned numerous stories pbc see the numerous stories like he was given the thought she decided when he can he can you know it's fighting style didn't indicate he will get that win but he had the story the takeoff come on man no no you're there in the story there but you store you and you and you're not saying i but did they did they only let him go 'cause he will secondary i just think he's not secondary may maybe now 'cause he failed twice versus jacobs i mean versus the lufkin incan also maybe now is different book calm i think aerosmith if he wants to fight canelo would draw harder bargain you will give more money than david jacobs what they're up there i mean well he's already getting more money and that's what i'm trying to tell you that's why out half the let him go bra remember bill jacobs just got rumored to to to episodes ago two days ago the he may twelve point firing and then they retracted historian change the two he made eight figgers right so done a whole you're already came on quoted in the media he'll offer earl sweney chant now no we don't know whether delahoya means twentyfour multiple fight so twentyfour one fight but twenty years beginning twelve in the school locking from all right so you oh he's gonna get that brad you can't hold back the back from that they were saying listen out came out is how soda speak out the cave you know how likely obama bin lana this male come out the moles eight came out to sit down with his own champs so he he got the money talking stop it i remember i should do do if i ever put obama you know summer named kevin right you but you know you know they don't you don't see them do you know where no one number twos was they names who's in the headlines the tools can be found in holes we'll never see out i luckily and i love the say got the meet and greet and so two three time but people don't get the fuck that's you know that's what it is you know you don't get to see him let alone talk to him so he came out he came out and sat down the whole team so when is money talk he come the talk but anyway let's go back to these calls we got first of all super chat from the company that's jr just sending love thank you weather we've got another one from our pound for pound supporter andre de i knew who says tom laufer call houston offered salo would do make a splash for the fourth quarter take some sign off with some twitter news good to see you back my a highly doubt gennady versus cannot a char low makes the slash the chopping finger andre carter photographer and not only that might think about it from a fucking like a tv standpoint if it's fucking i just went through the whole spew of how dare you should have been a star should have been a stall he already for getting out of your pay per view when that didn't work he already was on h b o for his whole career any did it work in building him into trouble hasn't been on h bill he just on again on fox but the only one doing it for on a thousand let's remind the world if they're free tv not not not not pay well that's premium you gotta put that out as a month off those kind of his own who not only do you gotta pay ten dollars one but you also gotta put your cable bill 'cause that's just additional ten dollars a month you get a basic cable then you say you're not necessarily not necessarily 'cause you could have a do be out but not okay okay okay okay you still internet though by you know you're you're heavy hellier a one thing they're fucking got a notice that a spoiler say am i i just come through a guy but we got super chat we went to we go go to call up the i mean 'em nope nope nope but i go to calls anyway these calls are brought to you by el camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations in turnkey installation visit remax dot com that's lifestylesunlimited it own it is hard to continue developing new content and covering the sport as thorough as we do without contributions from loyal listeners like you if you enjoy listening to the boxing voice radio and find it informative and entertaining please consider making donation texas mastermind joseph big super max would do when you're mourning mourning mourning mourning you i gotta be honest i personally i'm a little burn down the trip but you know things were right now obviously like you could put on the back end jimmy quite honest man you know when you're that starting a business i don't think anybody could tell you what moves to make you know we never saw anybody buddy telling floyd who the fight and kennels in the very same situation with those i gotta come on is no he called are you work with somebody tell you oh what do i guarantee you they pushed that kinda go ahead of knee surgery they were they were but obviously though i got to admit look triple g has a very big right look he had my teeth out of defense just had the drawl brawl then he finally lost about how do you not get immediate rematch man i mean he's got one i got to pay per views this sloppy fly man she's like i hop pancakes two hundred in a competitive additive in a competitive aspect maxine side of the fence is you know what i mean you look at that trying to negotiate in that kind of puts the day they sent me away by name five of them title defenses nursery that that way but i gotta admit that is really give me ten then how you did it again i'm not a non drinking again saying bra but in the same said how could you not happy even find forever i think i could give you turn off the head to new by the rest i said that's still that's still like to me he has a legitimate i'd rather say hey i should get my immediate rematch i'm not doing a ton of getting or media reported by his role as you do marquez used to be in a in a in a meter talking about your i beat him he need fight me yo i beat him he need the fight me it's like come on bro beat him decisively denny beat on this i do never gave back out a rematch but you took a month ago whole damn near a whole year all came back and policy roadwork and it'll be the guy at one sixty eight came back an interview fireworks sixty no no while while he beat rocky fielding at one sixty eight for the regular title you never did you know you had a big go off on the table the move up pay per view pay per view and you said no right and then or you can download comes in fights daniel jacobs a common opponent which would beat some better because which is controversial ain't nobody running right somebody daniel jacobs be canelo now i think even the fucking paypal color jd call him the ibra i'm disappointed in take man come on i gotta do more i can't just be accident facades do more to talk about it more because when you say oh you know somebody who always do more box no place to go i'll tell you i'll tell you know h money my man that oh it's busy we're going to talk to me like this long we're you now i was going oh it's so boy ace money mr does own the boxing boys two thousand nineteen rookie of the year in this i got lots of talk about i would love to use my boomerang i wanna talk about earl space real quickness 'cause you brought it up in the i mean the offer was there after he be mikey garcia they offered him twenty million dollars earl space he went to canelo versus gyco fight now she told is if you wanna make a fight again a ring i don't understand why earl space is doing all this cloud chasing well he didn't get in the ring after the canelo that you that he's going through all that asked now's the time to find you're color you're page and everything started dream red white and blue savings at the home 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law man again so when he fight canelo it'd be eight versus eight you're trying to get a more some young floyd whether versus canelo see oh no no i mean aerosmith about thirty any about tony not thirty years old man wait now for new weight in fucking nello we're we're all these rumors about earl smith florida back a black guy all these rumors about earl spins being a book he may well he only be broke a vicious being why triple g he got trouble jeez leftovers ain't got mikey garcia see those two weight classes that's all i'm saying is adrian brunner come over to way classes if like paul and by the way why earl sprints who's walking around two hundred pounds it saying he's fighting heavy wages far imagine why he came back in the under way energy is hey you know he busy though he got why don't we gotta fight though yes shop for the quarter lost account who who everybody say loss oh god oh no champ shaw porto's a two time welterweight champion in this generation of these young hungry welterweight with backout still fighting and floyd existed this man is a two time champion once in a year and wants to the wb cu disrespectful well hold on hold on wait a minute i gotcha big don't miss yes who were calling for baking bill who can make it you're calling you calling danny garcia see that's the problem with the boxing fan so you don't wanna tell them read out this means you're not no no no no listen you know why people call a people person if i saw big inside of a paper chant 'cause he for someone for that title the memory but danny versus first is going on now now it's about men all you gotta do is now it's all you gotta do is the public bro all you gotta do is hey bob you telling me right now in the wb oh it was making very dillion white fight for that's here payment you hear white papers yet i mean based i'll be mother fucking again the yes man may declare a national problem let me ask you about paying off on this that should be given these famous with a whole year dinner bell modify paper champion nigger you paypal nobody will consider that a paper tribute to nobody not casual i guess i just wanna say like well nello his next possible opponent i mean like it is andrew audi coal eleven triple g or moon gain that i just wanna speak on gear mcgann he's definitely moving up to one sixty aerate morale is a hall of famer mexican legend he he is what he will trying to give for his next fight you know so that's a big deal right there like that and i'm looking forward to like a middle way turnament either i'm in will give where's this triple gee canelo vs all andretti winters meet up oh you switch it around canelo versus andretti bars his triple g in a winter's made up you know so little box of voice shout out to my brother eric rose shutouts oh no i'm not we're brought talk to me y'all like i got i don't compare a nearly w m i five talk to me i compare why get higher young earl sprint to a gain jake as well let me gives you a real comparison danny jacobs compares more to tim rally an early compared more to quote made with liberal don't do that comparison everyday that makes no sense though tim rally got his money and find a big fires got like a what's it called to a pack your fights jacobs got a triple g five and then another fight don't compare bro earth bested i'd do everything above one wrote an end who did earl good but i'm saying the trajectory bro either pay per view fighter that's where you find out if i if i just like floyd so you can't compare a dedicated that said nobody and then say oh hey i'm dating i i don't think daniel jacobs is and nobody that's that's the issue right there i i was defending daniel jacobs not comparing errol spence i i was saying the daniel jacobs isn't hey guys this out just throws away he was the guy that our believed in because of his story so because of that i feel out will still allow earl spencer to go and fight canelo i don't understand what you want to be no no no by by by doing that you overvalue attempt okay let me go back to the nello are sensing you're saying that twenty million a for a canelo make note says while you gotta flip the currency for the trajectory of he's fighting for his own while you gotta play five oh six owes right behind it bugging he's gonna they're gonna earl spencer fifteen million they just gave gennady a hundred something million six fifty one bro you must i know from now on the call him nine fifty i'm a i'm a hope is the number one earl fair from now or man this guy bargain from let me see what we got going on over here man who's who's who's who's here who's here no bumi still aj fifty million they are fighters early will need that much america momber earl say gonna call his bluff would that i know when you when you look i know but i gotta teach people when you say i'm a call somebody bluff mean you ain't got no issue that means you about the see if it's real real that that you wouldn't say yo i'm fighting for twenty that shooting and now you say oh i'm a call is bluffs if it's real but i still got real beating canelo to this day to this sort of put money on it because just because we do you know what i mean he changed my life forever troy in baltimore talk to me what's going on to say oh well you know i had something to discuss but mike maybe change my mind what do you see that makes you believe that url there's gonna be a bigger better box at chanel no go ahead i pray downloads brings up down to one forty seven so i think were removed nothing radar losing all the way he will be stronger and i i think earl does good body very similar to good no and i got a phone call sorted right okay good i'm glad you said that you know why because they're not at the shovels body get inside now now i gotta talk domestic is running on the phone right now still i'm half brother you do gotta get inside that is the show you what seventy whatever it was around that but still his one sixty two to whatever cutting comes in at is not gonna be the same thing an nfc couldn't that might be go see you then i don't i really don't see how he really damage that marian i'm dr are now i may not that we've seen in a few days at least eight or nine brown had his ads fucked up but mighty god just can't get knocked out we see diamond in trouble twice in that everybody in your mouth you everybody has cut its closest someone who isn't making their core of the other ball high surf who are you or madam hello good morning hello hey hey who's this hey that'll miss a minute of the block block numbers like the audience knows blocks i'm always i'm just listening oh good all right a good to you you need is doing better coach midair we're going out to big brother new set of what's going on about a t o j o a i always call in our in you know give love no i know the stock up put some respect on canelo name as number one south of town i we talk about all stop and top of how come out everybody get out visa is just weird to me he's number one proper saw all even know second nobody will be worthy right now all that the triple gee continues to get everybody let's say art it's absurd like this do does nothing no one says anything his best fight on is what makes was banned who jacobs is white with daniel jayco his his that's why it's camello canelo what my weight class underneath the massive that's why he couldn't beat up well we can't give it impacted by please explain to me why do is immune again tosses the white black he could what i what i got a few like no no no they are because it ain't because of that is because people believe he'd be canelo just like people believe he'd be daniel jacobs that's the problem eating that would be condello you tell me saying the circuit court documents say he ate 'cause i was the first run does that not only do that don't mean just a little bit better the second saami thirty one the first one champion wiler right now but i was all over the place we're gonna marcus in dc the last caller city got the best we available nest go straight to wherever you get about as she he's smoking weed big hey check this out this is why they won't saying earl defy camello there's two different ways that people associated with our allies adviser and being under the al hayman unbrella earl is under the alabama umbrella which means allies and if i am out determinist promotional outcomes they in jacobs users out as an adviser the promoted by match room keep calmly as a manager in those association's that i've seen where out amy he's since those type of fighters it's a fight 'em i believe it was quill in who gotten eight purse paid off for the largest amount that he would have ever had in our life that fight he wound up going to a bad fiber annually in place there that if somebody really wants to use leverage to get a better fight for camello they don't fight sean vitamin c bowl you may have thought hold on hold on i just made up the division which is terence crawford which gives you leverage but i think everyone understand that the weight class is in there for serious greta in the same way it looked like mikey pretty pat against earl spent earl spence will be pretty padden against canelo mike to disclaim which just saying just because you walk around underweight does not mean you use the fighting fires also don't have to make that weight regularly we find out what kale broke we found that out but mikey walking around at one seventy and coming down one forty seven does not necessarily qualify you want sixty fighter because then you have to apply the same metric as well what is the one sixty five walking around in crime themselves into so that doesn't work you wanna see worthy late in the fight somebody cutting i'm not going after brother i'm going out the theory of in my opinion fighters who fight close to to their walk around way normally do better invites i've seen that will thought may well over the years i've seen it with andre ward over the years i've seen which is becoming a why like like headway in a jesuit west who could probably make once you ate easy way to find out if i i just think guys will fight at the walk woke hosted a walk rate are lot stronger when it comes to the fight night my personal being super tired from sergio goma's monkey a beast jim mail you heard it here first what monkey a beach front german now jim now the fifty four pound you heard it here first man muggy a fucking did even be fucking a dennis togan lobo but from a job lip hook only realistic fight if andre chaba senior said out of chicago in everyone else andre gift could have problems okay okay stop everything you see after a good one from now is there a king king fifty million since you doing terrible busy working mellow energy illinois up the zone already on bad business get it came to the wrong man yeah that i cannot like overlook a thirty seven year old triple g you gave me a hundred million dollars and i know there were some for a g a promotion but who knows that triple g you know what i'm saying he didn't have money i just don't know i don't let me go out to a rule five oh four what up route fucking that would have gone on what's happening are good deceived adam m i think that going forward we're just gonna see how much pulled his own actually has it's obviously they want this fight and canelo doesn't so another situation according eddie hearn does own once the aj fight back in america but he wants it in the uk so i it's it's really gonna let us know just how much power these guys have over the fighters that they're dealing with i at the end of the day he mayor very well waste at one hundred million on gluskin if canelo never fight some because can i mean for one hundred million what other fight is meaningful for disown what the canelo fight he doesn't have anything else coming up i mean he could take on armed grade that that's a good fight but i don't know if he's gonna take take that risk 'em well yeah that's michael and his own even name even taking 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Would you do a gap year working on a farm?

Hack

29:19 min | Last month

Would you do a gap year working on a farm?

"This is an abc podcast. We know a lot of young people are unemployed. Looking for more work at the moment so would you go to a farm and work on it. Farmers in parts of the country are getting ready to bring in the season's harvest but there aren't backpack is overseas. Work is around to help them so they calling for young people to step in in a second. We're going to hear from them as well as people doing this work and find out if it's worth it because they have been issues around underpayment in the past. Hello avenue dies and later on these episode of hack. You've probably got a friend who's either overseas. Who's into state and struggling to connect with you in terms of how you're dealing with the pandemic all just someone generally you just don't know how to connect we're going to talk about our friendships. Covert and how to reconnect with old friends. Cochran has historically paying quite reliance on foreign backpackers and try to get busy on. How is your work situation going if you are looking to make more money. Pharma's want young people to work within the harvest. Season is starting and they're like these the gap you you could have in regionalists stralia because usually overseas workers and backpackers through those kinds of jobs bought. These industry has had scandals in the past including massive underpayment of workers. If you are looking for work or young pests than considering these or who's done this sort of work before. I'd love to hear from you. One three hundred or five three six coal me. Let's find out if things have changed in this industry. Ten rows reports it was pretty dayton the work you would doing like it's very repetitive. Very long you know meant to but if you have been that pays pissed. Flint is nineteen and this is his gap year earlier in the year. He was harvesting apples at a farm near his house on the mornington peninsula in victoria. So i'd have a clip bag. That i just walk up and down at the strip picking which is picked by color size. Just eyeballing it and figuring out if it was wrapping up. He really enjoyed the job. When the right held off the best thing would be probably honestly advance to the end of the year. He wanted to go north. I was planning to go up to queensland in the summer of ginger like i would have been probably cooked. Well there are some exemptions for farmwork is being able to cross borders all the closures have made things hotta and pharma say they need thousands more workers. In the coming months we've got shortages massive life as shortages on tom in particular in the in the picking and packing area or cultural products. Such racial andrew mckillop but works with a hape of grow growers in queensland. You're looking at products. What strawberries when there's no live in productivity picked it just goes to waste in the paddock and vistas creating message issues and volubility problems for those girls consent last week. The federal government announced a new phase of program for foreigners to work on australian femmes. That's going to be up and running next month. But it's not yet clear where the workers will be coming from when they will arrive or how many will take up the offer. So famous aunt banking on a quick fix. There'd be serious. Conversations being held around a genotype viability of even planting next season. All being involved in the industry going fold national federation president. Fiona simpson wants young people to answer the call. He got from unique just finishing school. Do the sort of person that wanted to have a bit of a gap year out of the season. He can't do that now. We'll just think about going on adventure touring australia and it. She says there are opportunities all over the place for every ability level. There's lots of what can be done in in australia and stuff with big mitch technology. It's a good time actually debate bush. She says the situation for farmers is even worse than last year. Now that most of the overseas backpackers have gone on and so. Many people are in lockdown victorian. Dairy joe kennedy hopes. The crisis can be a wake-up coal shortage stock. We're saying is probably a a lot of a problem in our industry and not as soon as old as been shot and we have limited access to foreign star asia the question to auditees with twenty four twenty five million strahan's breathing in up border while we pointing so hard to point. Joe wants a hate of young people like him to give it a guard for a few weeks. All longtime it does speak to a larger problem that destroys out looking for work in agriculture. And for something that way off. Good asked never stopped wandering. Why more youngest tryon's back say a career in. This industry is career option. Hack on triple j thames. Roy's with that story. i'd love for you. You will obama or young person. Who's done this sort of work on a farm will considering at one three hundred triple five. Three six call me. Let's speak to michael right so. He's from the australian national university. He's been researching this industry. So what effect is this having on femme. As the fact that people on taking up these jobs. That's the guy. Well look it's it's more than people not taking up jobs at the moment eats issues to do. With the movement of people who would usually take these jobs Being disrupted By code The impacts having well. it's obviously making. It's very very hard for the harvest. Take place and things are really Unfortunately this year on the getting worse with the delta variant entering the country. I mean even the workers who are here. It's it's gonna make it very difficult sort of managing lodge Sort of harvest workforce If there's the potential of a covert outbreak amongst the tickets themselves so I don't think there's any doubt about it. It's going to be a very difficult youthfulness. And yeah we probably are going to see sort of price increases in berries and things like that in the supermarket. it's i mean. Fresh produce getting more expensive. It has an effect on the entire country. Obviously let's get afam perspective. Jack creswell ease the host of the femme advice. Podcast He speaks to people in industry all the time jack. Obviously they're into state borders as well. Obviously there's issues that michael's touched on about cova too. I mean what is the feeling among farm is right now. Jack doesn't seem to be. Let me try that again. Jackie there can you hear me. They are yeah. How afam is feeling right. Now thank you Bombers are pretty worried at the myron panicking. it's nearly september and the crops are turning and we're looking to start to get some numbers and names on the book so berries farmers looking to get it off. We've got twenty thousand seven hundred farms across australia producing grind and they really need to get these crop off looking to be a bumpy she We've topping last of fifty one million tonnes and jack. Can you tell us what is actually needed on. A farm like how many young people would be needed on an average femme dates. Day so to give you some perspective of a farm around maureen yousef wiles generally the ten workers throughout the enduring harvest. They need sixty workers Up there same. Haney is the farmer And it's just an astonishing amount of people that you need eight fifty more people just for this fun to get the crop poll. Yeah it's a lot of people. Michael you've been obviously researching dc issue. I mean what about the underpayment issue. Because that's something that's a real concern over the years. A young people actually gonna get the riots that they need if they take up. This work sure researching. And i do a bit of kicking myself just to sort of get a sense of the reality of it. The underpayment issue year. Well i think the underpayment issue is actually really interesting in that. I mean when. I go to do a little bit of picking when i speak to people about it often. They're guston like oh my goodness me actually going to be like terribly exploited. I heard about this person getting paid three dollars an hour. And this certainly issues in the industry But it's not a foregone conclusion that people will be exploited and the issue is basically with something that we call pace rights. So that's A system where you get paid by what you pick now. That's a pretty good idea and that can sort of workout really well for everyone If it's many properly which unfortunately too often eats isn't so the minimum pay raise Under the agricultural for alley work On casual rights is twenty five. Forty one. now if you're not on an alley right if you're being paid by the amount you pick right the pace right the right per kilogram or whatever it is has to be set at such a level that a competent worker right can make fifteen percent more than twenty five forty one. This is like a hectic math lesson. Michael i kind of goes to the issue right. If it is so complicated for us to even think about i mean should they just be a base right across the board that was about to get say twenty nine twenty nine twenty two right super complicated and there's another thing when you're talking about the agricultural workforce right. You're talking about a pretty vulnerable workforce. You're talking about People in the pacific here under these the worker program who are supposed to stay with one employer again you're talking about people backpackers here on the working whole. They make us game who may be trying to get their visa extended You're talking about Relatively recently arrived. Destroy the maybe from refugee backgrounds and not fully understand they entitlements show so what you have as you as you're pointing out you've got the super complicated tastes right system and there's no base rate when people are when this pace right isn't being set high enough people often don't realize or don't feel free to sort of move on or Let the boss know good And that's where you have the exploitation happening right so this obviously things that the farmers could fix in that regard. But what you're saying is that you know it's not every pharma that stodgy on paying people and a lot of people texting in because clearly you know there is that reputation. Someone says i would do these if i got a livable income not minimum wage and came to he edwards perspective on that edward. You're twenty-eight your mom from gonda How you feeling about that reputation. Do you think that you know. Femme is getting a bad rap for underpaying people. I think at any industry is obviously good and bad and i think it's a bit of a broad spectrum idea that all of a sudden farmers ripping off a workforce and that's certainly not true a my thumb we have workers that come and pick our fruits where citrus on and we Have workers come and they will you know ten ten to twelve bins a day and they clearing civil thousand dollars awake so i think that wouldn't be on the paying someone. Yeah an intensive the underpayment issue. In that sort of thing i mean. Do you feel like these are good joke. The young people because some people are saying on not really came to do that kind of thing. What do you think about that. I think if someone walked in and said. I'm not really came to do the type of thing that i probably wouldn't employ them scott with We have the reins of spectrum of workers. Attitudes comes from The pacific island nations that work on charity vases to be able to bring money back to their countries and help they communities and they work extraordinarily hard to people who come to the farm to fill out government forms to try and say the seeked work and not a full day's work i've had extraordinary situations where people have even resigned before signing onto the first day and it was just pure coming out to say that they tried to joann. Yeah obviously a lot of different elements to this but definite concerns there. We've as we've heard about you know especially overseas work is being exploited. Legally is in victoria. You're originally from the uk but you've done some at this week. What was it like. I'm i actually worked on a farm. 'em peaking pez and apples. I was meant to for the three months. Which is required to get my second j. visa I only what that for two weeks. Because of how poorly i was paid and i couldn't really afford to live i was spending olam rent And i ended up going and doing the other two and a half months whacking blaze. Eight the australian bushfire relief service so actually opted to rather volunteer for two and half months getting paid nothing and working as hard as i did for such little money. Yeah so what were the main issues. Was it underpayment purely because someone sexy and saying there's not decent accommodation or incentives. Was it more than not yet. I think it's a bit broader than it just being on the phone Definitely i could only get this job. If i went through a satin accommodation and a lady who ran the accommodation. It was really pole and it was a lot of sharing one cabin crazy amounts. I mean i was paying more rent than i. I'm here in melbourne On the hours like we. What from six until two my stays on it was on a piece rate basis We worked pretty average sort of middle of the spectrum with our pace and after working for a week and then having to pay this lady rent because the only way we could have the job was three staying at her dacian Yeah we had like thirty dollars left. Oh gosh yeah that. That sounds really tough. Really appreciate you calling in and sharing your experience with us. Michael hearing different perspectives. If i'm saying yeah this is good. Lillies obviously had a tough experience. How do you know as a young person if you are opting into this work that you're going to have someone who's going to treat you well if you'll going to do this work on a phone. Yes thanks look. It's a really great point. Look i think the takeaway is that young people in australia. Shouldn't be scaled by the sort of horror stories. You hear necessarily like it can be a good way to sort of spend a few weeks a month in some make some sort of good money. Hopefully but it's pretty important to go into it knowing what your rights and entitlements are so there's the complicated situation i was talking about there with the pace writes the information or at their sir. I'd say equip yourself with An understanding of How much You're entitled to get paid and if you're being paid Listen just don't put up with it. Michael rise remain. You appreciate you chatting to us on the show and before we go jack creswell. Who's from farm advice podcast. What do you want young people to know about this industry and is there anything. The government can do to support farmers. Because we know that there's been a pretty rough trot is as well in terms of produce not being sold for very high prices and so on yet definitely. I think young people are on a young person in agriculture. Already and We just needed debunk. The myth of low pay in the grain harvest must've time you receive free food and accommodation included don't believe in people getting charged for the accommodation as before And i think maybe for the travel should be some subsidy in place for those traveling across to these firms could be idea was a ally especially from sydney all the coastlines from perf in woods to the weight belt Some big distances to travel to get to these crops to be out to take them off shore all right jack creswell appreciate you chatting to us as well. Brent has texted from grenfell. Bena farmhand mars my life. Unfortunately he says biggest advise everyone needs is watch who you're going to work for. Don't settle for minimum wage and learned to drive as many machines as possible which banks you much more valuable and in turn. You're paid a lot more. I think we will have to reevaluate the people that we are close to and y workless what we get out of those relationships on triple j right lease andrea. My name's avenue dies. And i a lot of my friends. Some of them are overseas others into state others adjusting in a different local government area to me so i can't say them with so separated from the people we love right now. Research is has found. Cova dis making up personal welds shrink but there are both good and bad pots to that. I want some wholesome cools. Now tell me about your friends who you'll missing. Let's give them shout outs on the radio and i want to know how cold it is affected. Your friendships one. Three hundred or five three six shalala. Madeira has been chatting to some triple j. leeson is about this story down at the local. I found that. I was going to the pub four or five nights a week just because i knew that there would be people that who i knew before the emma kid. Loa's worked in hospitality. She'd go to her local off to work because she couldn't really handle being learn. Just that sort of that drive to be around people all the time. She pulled all her time and effort into these people she bailing and then covert hit and the pub shot. It wasn't something that i wanted to do. Four or five nights a week so cova kind of forced me to break that habit. They prompted a bit of soul-searching because of the space that had developed i was able to look at it and say okay well. What do i want to prioritize. Who do i want to invest. My time and energy into elway's reconnected online with good mates in the uk who was struggling during their own. Look down. Because i wasn't doing anything in lockdown i was able to get up at five o'clock in the morning and join these calls and she decided to catch up with old friends from primary school people. She'd wants being super close to but at full out of touch with it was like nothing had ever change. There was no awkwardness. That wasn't any lost ground to cover. It was just straight back in covert has made us see the world through different eyes. And sometimes we're surprised by what we've found grains council end shake up regular adam. It was really surprised how much he missed talking to people he barely knew processes have narrowed down from hundreds of people away to say four people that i'd say regularly. He's mooning that social contact you get when you weren't in lockdown and surrounded by the same full walls every day prepo vid h rakyat interacted hundreds of april. Whether that's colleagues or like your local burster at a cafe friends of friends. People at the gym adamson melvin and he says dealing with the psychological impact of multiple long running lockdowns. Many sometimes wasn't as supportive as he wished he could be into a bit of a fun verbiage of a a bad spot and i literally have energy to reply to messages from friends or text from friends being vulnerable with friends it does take that extra of energy and and a lot of us are just running on zero e can be especially tough for young members of the lgbtq community for many people. Their friends become their family because their immediate family may have been already set them. Love them for for who they are because of their sexuality or their gender identity. What about the impact of coded. When you experience the pandemic has been wildly different from your friends. It was tough in short. It was a tough time to bay malyn to be locked down and working in a hospital. It was pretty affected by quoted. Alex is a junior doctor and she spent the last eighteen months on the frontline of the pandemic one of the big parts of my job was to make phone calls to families every day. And tell them how they were doing and that was really hard. When i shouldn't didn't make it. I found explaining what was going on to people who aren't necessarily involved in that included my family. I found that really hard to bridge. That gap alex struggled to explain her experiences to biscedie a friend. She'd been super close to for a decade and considered to be like a system that i think last year was a really stock contrast for us because her experience of lockdown of cloven was totally different to mind she was in regional victoria down by the beach able to socialize a bit more. I will have different rules. It was like they will leaving. Very separate realities shave would have spent the morning staffing and i had spent twelve hours in full pay. Pa on a card ward and the the contrast really hard to bridge between us. Alex says she closed itself off from explaining how tough things worth her and that increase the distance between them even further friendships are what we make them. You know they're always dynamic. They're always going to be changing based on your experiences. And i think we've all had to reevaluate the people that we are close to and why we're closer to them and what we get out of those relationships. She tried to explain how. Tough things at bain to have framed earlier. This year with repeated lockdown. Since then we haven't really been able to move past that. I guess then i asked her to be part of the story and she decided to pick up the phone to old friend. I did actually have right. Come the session with last night as cold a teller that i had been thinking about our friendship change because of this discussion. He kinda helped clearly and we've had a really amazing daybreak about what we think. Some of the drivers of not sharing and and feeling resentment have been. She thinks that opening up. That conversation is going to have lifelong impacts. Hopefully it does mean that we're going to have a more transparent friendship going forward so sort of a blip but a change for good but hopefully a change said better. Hack on triple j salvador with that story. She's literally bringing friends back together. Feel like we should all high shalala to do some friend. Mending and over. Melvin texas shout out to my favorite human being john. Allan cameron soupy uranus. Abby towns alive and melvin lockdown. We've had more time to do weekend video alcohols. I love my humans yet. Text me how you feeling about your code friendships over three nine seven five seven triple five elizabeth shore from relationship australia. How's it going oviously. We're feeling these some kind of disconnect with friends. How do we cope with that because it can be really hard to lose friendships for no other reason than covert look absolutely true and i think some people Sort of rushing to in touch with lots of paper because then they're disparate and they know that that's going to help them now. The papal just hiding away you know and everything in between and you can feel like doing one or the other on any given day so it's messy And and sometimes to we can end up inventing stories in our own minds about friends. Well they haven't contacted me and you know I haven't heard from them. So why should i contact. Sometimes that can be quite damaging to that we you know. We wonder if someone else's problem with someone else's responsibility and that can make us feel a bit more helpless and hopeless. What about that. Lack of sort of incidental. Hang out you know even close friends but even friends that you not that close with but you just would say you around at events and so on that you not saying anymore. How do we cope without thurs. Because i've noticed even that they can affect you when you're just purely interacting with people online look. I think it's true that it the you do often. Surprisingly rely on those incidental contacts. You don't walk around thinking there that important but it's a pleasure to you to run into them when you do. If there's a way of getting in touch with them. I think right now. It's a real opportunity to see if those friendships could be more now. You may not want them to be. But i think to reach out to someone and say you know how i normally say you hero there and i haven't wanted how you going. It also could be a chance to build a friendship that you might leave in the category of incidental under normal circumstances. So i think that's an opportunity I think though too that we've got a good chance to recover things because everybody's going through this. It's not as if you've had your own crosses and disappeared for a few months because everybody's going through these Think when we eventually get back to something close to normal. They'll be a lot of opportunity for forgiveness and just repairing mash In a way that we wouldn't if we would just doing something all by ourselves. Yeah tight in melvin. Texted throughout code actually realized how caught off. I was when we have such hauch lockdowns and nothing really changed for me. It made me wanna change. How i was living my life. That's really interesting. So if he is colby and how you feeling about your friendships Well my best friends actually moved up to breezy before this all happens. Because 'cause shows the worst I love and actually one good thing about carbon. She like my little escape to the outside world. Because i'm in that lower. Lga that's being like heavily locked down And also just means. I mean we previously contacted each other all the time on social media But now it's also just the it makes us can each other like checking in about a mental health. Really really really normal totally really good opportunity just to talk all the time and i told her to listen to the radio. Cushy absolutely adores triple j but she's been going through a bit of a rough time recently so as part of you know reaching out with clarity. I just want to tell her that. I love her and i think she's beautiful and she's the best thing that's ever happened to me. That's so sweet. So what's your friends name. Addy anne massive shoutouts anti. that's so swayed. It's yeah very nice. Fives what do you think like. I don't know what to say next like this is just so nice. But obviously you know you've had that feeling of being leaving ulmer's through different pandemic to anne who's in brisbane. What are you feeling about that. Disconnect almost living separate lives in the same country except for much in the same country. I think me. I'm a bit of a home body so it doesn't bother me that much. What is difficult is g. We ironically had babies at the same time so daughter was born the day before mine And so that's been really tricky. Because they were really really good friends. Yep and so that disconnected sorta there. But now it's sort of normalize things a bit because my daughter's talking to all of her friends on skype and things now anyway so it's Other than i somehow. It's nice feel closer to her friends. That's not because that's what everybody's going through. Yeah like runs on exactly the same level at hardly know what you mean because it feels normal to reach out to people and normal to be online so thanks so much for calling in and yet big Outs to your friend. Anne as well a lot of texts on the salmon switzerland. I'm in switzerland. That's cool haven't been able to visit my friends and family back home since twenty nine teen got it to be missing milestones in their life and still have no idea when i'll see them again. Yeah i totally know that feeling of having friends and family overseas that you just like what's next elizabeth. Before we go. I mean how do we sort of deal with being far away from friends as this goes on. It's gonna keep going for at least a few months. what's your boss. look. I think the The previous Had great tips about reach out. Reach out and explain what's happening to you if you haven't been in touch just let people know look on online low for a few days Rather than let your absence be misinterpreted. I think just say something but also this is a chance to ask about the deeper issues to silent. Really how i you. I really wanna know. It's beyond a social catch. And that's really healthy just to just to have a really main foot meaningful conversation or outrage out to your friends. I think that's the general sentiment elizabeth shula. Thanks so much for chatting to us. Thanks so much for listening to this episode. Oh catch next time.

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Lady in the Water: Jan Roseboro

True Crime Brewery

1:29:12 hr | 2 months ago

Lady in the Water: Jan Roseboro

"True crime brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment listener discretion is advised. Welcome to true crime. Murray i'm jill and i'm dick. When jen rose boroughs husband michael found her unconscious and bleeding in their new swimming pool. There was no reason to suspect him of anything nefarious. even though his nine one one call was unusual. It wasn't proof of a crime but then a motive for murder was discovered michael's lover angela funk when angeles computer and phone records were examined thousands of romantic and lustful messages with michael roseborough were discovered and in these messages. He professed his love for her and his desire to marry her. In fact he was planning to leave chan and asks for a divorce on july. Twenty second the day jan died. Join us at the quiet end for lady in the water. The murder of jan roseborough within days of jan staff investigators decided that michael roseborough had beaten and strangled his wife before tossing her into the pool to drown. All of this happened while three small children slept inside. The home michael's family and his lover didn't believe that michael could do such a thing but john's family had no doubts that michael had killed jan in order to be with his mistress and keep his well and they were really some good points on both sides. Well there might be but if you divorced her. He was going to lose a lot. Yes a lot of money. Possibly his children his business would have been difficult so not that. I'm condoning what he did. Well thank you yet but yeah. It's tough at a good beer today. It's called dirt wolf from victory brewing company in downington. Pa this is an imperial ip that measures in at eight point. Seven percent alcohol by volume nice amber colour whitehead plenty of lace is a good aroma sweet fruit and some piney hops before you go on the about that. Pine it subtle tastes of mango pineapple. Tiny bit of pine of nice background of bread and fruity the hampshire. Settle the. thank you like it. We're gonna try it anyway. Yeah it doesn't sound too bad. I'm willing let's open it. I yeah it'd be a good idea. It's a pretty beer. I always like. Ipa's visually really nice looking ones. Although these hazy ones. I'm not real sure of that. Most of the time you get a nice clear golder amber colour. Good head. Plenty of lacing. It's pretty beer all right. So why don't you join me down here at the quiet end. It's really good to be back two weeks off. We haven't done that in a while. Choose i was starting to have some withdraw. I think well. I don't know how he was still writing to people and getting feedback together so i was but it's not the same as taping an episode. Now you're right. it's not so it is good to be back and let's get started. Okay so both. Jan bentley and michael roseborough grew up living lives of privilege. Janse father sanyal dunkley own the denver national bank in the area where she grew up in. This is the town of denver. Pennsylvania michael sam had on and operated they respected and profitable roseborough funeral home for over a century so both these folks are pretty long-term residence with a history in the area very prominent really in that small town of denver. Pennsylvania wrote no the two families the brinkley's in the rose boroughs know each other very well. Jan and michael had been introduced by jen's brother michael and they dated for a year before michael proposed then in nineteen eighty nine. I got married and chan took the roseborough name friends who got another couple over the years so supportive relationship between two people who shared similar interests at least in the early years as what they saw things start getting a little rocky so jan and michael settled down and began to raise a family. They eventually had four children. Jan quit her job with the bank and she became a fulltime mom in late. Two thousand seven jan and michael move their family into a house given to them by john's parents before moving in they head over half a million dollars worth of renovations and additions done so this must have been some house in oh giant. Yeah yeah it was already a good sized house. And then they added onto it with a ton of money here. You get this pretty good sized house at five hundred thousand dollars worth of renovations. Yeah they were pretty. Loaded really. must've been now. Michael was very well liked in the community and he is trusted to handle most of the funerals there in fact anytime someone in the neighborhood died. Michael roseborough took care of everything. According to some customers michael rossborough was the kindest man they had ever met. But of course things are never as perfect as they seem. And in fact michael had developed a nasty habit. He cheated on his wife. Not just once repeatedly now. Michael roseborough didn't show up as well too much although he did like his beautiful house his expensive vacations his designer clothes as luxury suv. So i'm not sure that means he's not showing off his wealth too much and i guess some of his other relatives were more show offi than he was okay so he is the less ostentatious of the family. Well at least when it came to you know cars and houses and stuff but he was very into the way he looked friends of his would say he dressed like wanted to be g. q. Magazine or something like that. So he definitely had his own vanities he did. Actually he was more into impressing impressing women with as charms and luring them into his bed. The knowledge among family members was michael had had many extramarital affairs throughout his john's marriage but was something that just wasn't discussed openly across night michael's father had confronted him a few times and told him to stop sleeping around her is going to be kicked out of the family business. Which would mean that he lose money and prestige other rosborough family members who tucked jin after she found out michael had cheated on her again. And i told you gotta live with it. It's the roseborough away. Now because jan left her for kids and she actually truly believed in her marriage she put up with a lot now. Michael is known in the town of denver and again. This is not a large town but he was well known that he'd had multiple girlfriends over the years sometimes more than one at a time. I'll keep him busy. Wife and kids at home couple of girlfriends on the site. Plus a business to run was even a rumor an affair with a female cousin at one point so as far as we know angie funk was the only extramarital affair michael was carrying on at the time of john's death but angie did seem different she was different than the others for sure for one thing. The pair seemed to be obsessed with one another and for another. They were talking about marriage to each other within a month of their first hookup so angie had grown up in a very conservative mennonite family in the town of corey ville just outside of lancaster pennsylvania. There's a large amish and mennonite community inquiry ville and the surrounding areas. Outsiders might confuse the amish mennonites. Angie's grandparents wore the amish clothing and drove a horse and buggy but then her parents were more modern as mennonites. They had the christian values beliefs in routes similar to those of the amish but they acted in dressed more like most people but of course they do lean very much toward the conservative end of things in their lifestyle choices sure adultery is not one of those things that they condone. No i think most religions don't really so. Angie live next door to michael's parents and just down the block from the roseborough funeral home. She was acute woman in her late thirties. With brown short hair in a pixie style in a pretty young looking face. She tended to dress very conservatively wearing long skirts and prim blouses. And angie seemed to be living what you would call a wholesome life. She was married to randall funk and they had two daughters together and angie had a good job as a claims adjuster for a local insurance company. According to angie her affair with michael roseborough began with an exchange of smiles during a chance meeting at the coffee counter inside a local convenience store to angie. Neither she nor michael was feeling loved. Appreciated by their spouse so in a weak moment she said that it escalated very quickly but before their romantic relationship began. Angie knew michael was married and had kids. Michael knew that angie lived with her husband and her two children. Angie's husband randall. Didn't like to talk much. According to angie and one neighbor would later tell the police that angie would sit on her porch and point at michael roseborough as he was walking into the funeral home and she would say things like he'll be mine some day and this was a long time before they had that cute meet supposedly at the convenience store so although she would tell this story in joking tone angie would admit that she and her girlfriend would walk their children down the street and talk about how cute michael roseborough was when they saw him once about two years before they hooked up and she said to her friend. I would like to be married to him. So after some self described encounters at the local store angie and michael began sharing phone calls emails text messages and eventually clandestine meetings for saks and exchanging promises of a future together. Some day so throughout this. Angie would try and kind of paint michael as the aggressor but there were other people that pointed to her as the aggressor so it definitely seems like it was a two way street where she's talking to folks on her porch and stuff about how is gonna be hers someday. She definitely was crushing on him for a long time. Personally yeah so. Once they were together they would talk about how much they loved being together. Not just sexually but together as a couple and making a family with their combined. Six children within one week they were talking about leaving their spouses and beginning life together. I think they really thought they'd found their soulmate. Seems that way now. A lot of it of course was lust though her roosters gonna point that out. Yeah they didn't really know each other well enough to be in love her. I don't see how. But michael told angie over and over in emails calls and texts that he was falling in love with her. But maybe this was more of a game. That michael roseborough was familiar with. He done similar. Things played a similar game with other women at different times during his marriage. But it did seem to go further with angie. It seemed that angie had become an obsession. Unlike anything he'd ever experienced. And angie had done something to him that no other woman had before so he definitely saw her as special. He definitely did still well. He's obsessing over. Angie at the same time. He's making plans to surprise jan with the vacation to renew their wedding vows. They're going to do it a ceremony. In the outer banks in north carolina he had actually gone on. The internet hired a pastor. He looked for rental homes and venues. It talked to friends and family who he thought jan would like to have attend and at the same time. Also jan and michael planning a family trip to niagara falls. His affair with angie could destroy his family life and possibly caused them to lose everything that he his father and his grandfather had worked for in the funeral business while we already know that his father was more than willing to take the business back your after jan johnson out about an earlier fear. She told her husband that she had no problem. Walking out of the marriage with children and half their assets so he's been put on notice he knows that the stakes are pretty high. Oh absolutely so. That's what makes you wonder. Was he really planning to leave her or was he plotting to kill her. We don't know or maybe she just found out about the affair and she was gonna leave anyway really michaels. The only one that will know that that's possible. I mean thing. I'm thinking is it. He's probably fed this line to a bunch of other women. Yes i'm sure but he seemed to be much more serious about this one year. I don't know maybe it's because he's being pushed a little bit banji. Maybe but i mean hundreds of texts today. He was pretty obsessive. Sure was yeah. So angie and michael had sex for the first time on june eighth two thousand eight in an empty apartment provided by one of michael's friends now after that angie started seeing him at the funeral home now according to her they mostly chatted as he did paperwork or polished coffins but she did admit to having sex with him in the parlour area. You know where they have the viewings of the dead bodies according to her happen just once where your she spent one time. But that's like when someone tells you. They smoke one cigarette a day. You're gonna multiply that by at least ted her her a couple of drinks a day. Yeah that's the kind of thing that it's pretty easy to multiply. Get the correct answer or get more in the neighborhood anyway. So with the exception of a few dead bodies in that basement. I guess it was a place where they felt like they could be alone for sure. I would imagine the families of the dead would have been really shocked to know that their funeral director was having sex with his mistress in the same room. Where they mourn their deceased family member so pretty weird but then you know just. After these ten days they'd been together. Angie and michael roseborough declared their love for each other and not really together for ten days right they just been flirting for like a week and then had sex for a day or two and then they're in love. Thanks you just know right away. Well that's what they would say they just knew it. They talked about finally finding the love of their lives. Michael said he definitely wanted to marry. Angie but you know. They had spouses at home to hide their affair from. They had children to raise. And of course they had all the trappings of real life. All the responsibilities so they needed to come up with a plan soon because the sneaking around was not going to work in the long term. Like you said dickey. This was a smallish town and everybody knew the rose boroughs. Everybody knows everybody. Else's comings and goings very much. Yes it's common knowledge that he's a michael's assyria philanderer. They're not gonna keep this trista seek very long now. Probably not but you know. I don't know if he was delusional or if he was just deluding angie because he was really moving quickly with this to say the least hard yes he started discussing having a wedding on the beach in california and they looked into going to other places to like disneyland because of course they expected that all the children would attend their wedding. I think that's a little delusional to think that that would happen. Can tell you for sure that delusion. But michael insisted that his friends and his children would just love angie. Angie was a little more realistic. She said well they might not love me right away. Might take a while for them to accept me. But michael just didn't seem worried about that at all. She just seemed more grounded than he was. I guess she said something to him about. Sam michel's oldest child who was seventeen and who apparently knew about the affair. After seeing a text from angie on his father's phone one day so sam of course like john's other children loved his mother. So why would he love angie. Angie knew he wouldn't even if michael didn't so regardless the plan. Michael in angie made to be married was to do it within a year. That was going gonna be some quick moving going on killing her go to tell their spouses that they're in love with each other and they need a divorces and that's going to happen boom. I'm not sure that was ever really the plant. That's the thing we don't know how much of the truth and she has told was that ever the plan was murdered. The plan or was there really no plan in something spontaneous and violent happened we will go over the evidence and everybody can develop their own opinion on this but despite what he was telling angie michael was not trying to find a way to let jan down easy and get a divorce so this is what makes me wonder if he was really in on this plan or if he was just stringing along angie because he was really planning to renew their marriage vows on a romantic vacation in the outer banks and also of course they were planning that weekend trip to niagara falls with the kids to celebrate. Sam's high school graduation. Angie wasn't happy about him going to niagara falls and she certainly would not have been happy with the upcoming north carolina trip if she knew about it but michael didn't tell her about that. I'm sure didn't so. I could look at this trip as yes. He was definitely planning to stay with his wife even though he was misleading his mistress. Or you could look at it as well you know. Maybe this was just a way to make himself not look guilty. His they could say. Did you kill your wife. And he could say well no look. I had a vacation plan to renew marriage vows. I've already hired a minister. I love my wife here perleberg. It's a good explanation. I think it might be the ladder. Yeah so on. June seventeenth at ten twenty in the morning. Michael emailed angie to remind her that he was gonna leave at the end of the week for niagara falls with his family now. Angie said she'd forgotten about his leaving that friday she encouraged him to have a good time with the kids. Only and now good times with the wife moves man no way sir. She said it would feel like an eternity while he was gone. Even those just a three day weekend. The michael ended his next email with words of reassurance that he is going on the trip purely out of obligation to his kids. Angie answered that her biggest fear was at roseborough was going away to rekindle his romance with his wife. I could see that no kidding. Angie developed a habit of printing out her emails michael so she could read them and reminisce about them later. She deleted emails daily from her inbox and also from the deleted mail folder. Yes and she would only email him from her office. Email didn't give him her home email address. I guess to make sure that randall didn't see any of it or you probably know each other's passwords and stuff right. Yeah they probably do. There was no email communication. Between angie and michael after he left for niagara falls on june twentieth until his return on june twenty third but there were twenty five phone calls. Five were made on friday june twentieth eight on saturday. The twenty first nine on sunday the twenty second and then on monday the twenty third. When michael was back in town they spoke three times before they even met up for morning coffee. So those four days. That angie didn't see michael. She said were very difficult for her. A new string of emails under the subject. I miss you was started by angie in one. She wrote that anytime she spent with. Her man was a time in her life. She cherished with oliver heart besides not being able to talk to him whenever she wanted and she said she had trouble not being with him physically and she called him the most amazing man on earth. So she's definitely into him her refer. It's kind of sickening. Their letters for anybody. Who's not one of them. They're sickening to read roy. Victor fewer fifteen years old. Who would read better. Yeah and that's kind of what they were being like is lovesick teens now. Michael rose boroughs cell phone bill for that. One month that he'd been with. Angie the six hundred eighty eight dollars the texan phone calls were that plentiful and she is and i guess he didn't know that you need to get a burner phone for that kind of thing. The second cellphone to something. Because what if jan is still in pain. The bills slushy comes across that one. Be having some questions. Well and that's a big part of this. Yes yes ca. Zanji funk's number was listed over and over. Course it was. It's pretty much the only person he was talking to now. According to one close friend jan knew about michael's affair she didn't know the details but she has been cheated on enough times and she could recognize the science. I'll bet she did well. Yeah one friend of hers head overheard her saying to her daughter. Why dad's sure has a lot of paperwork at the funeral home lately because he was you staying out being out at work more. Often people were dying yes well. She just likely didn't know how consumed with this other woman. He had become though she might have been really shocked by that so jan and her sister susie were close and they lived about three miles from one another. Suzy described her sister as down to earth and kind and for the most part of very happy woman so jan owned a cell phone but she rarely used it. She preferred to spend time with her children or her dogs win. The pool was finally opened on july fourth weekend that year jan called her sister and told her that she should come by use it anytime she wanted so she was a very generous kind person. Jannine michael had invited suzie her fiance and her family to north carolina that summer and there were other family members going as well also a few friends michael said he planned on renewing his vows with jan down there and he was making all the arrangements so he seemed like a really romantic husband. He said it was going to be on the beach. But you know this is just like he had suggested suggested to angie for their wedding nerves. Grim assume that rings a few bills so both of these women wanted a wedding on the beach. One of renewal won a new wedding guests. Roy annuity fruit the for that couple. Yeah so just really living a double life. on the morning. Of june thirtieth. Two thousand eight. Angie senator work computer and wrote another series of emails to her. Mary lower. Angie said she knew she was going to have to wait and the thought of having him to herself when day was all the kept her going. Michael answer that. He didn't wanna wait any longer something he needs to be done. He said fast. Now the topic of what john would do when she found out about their affair came up between michael and angie more than once he and jan had four kids a big house lots of money and a family business so if he left jan michael is certainly looking at potentially losing a lot as you realize this and she was unsure if he was willing to risk everything for her if she finds out about us she's gonna take the kids and everything and she told him and michaels concerned about the family business and he told angie that he was looking into put in a funeral home in his father's name so jan couldn't take any but he never did. He didn't do that so that's another reason. I think maybe he was just leading her around. Could but something. That wouldn't work anyway. I don't think well. Maybe not. But i just don't see how he could be making this stuff up because he did seem obsessed with her right back way and michael was having an affair with a different woman. In this was years earlier. Jan had found out about that affair after going through the cell phone bills. Yeah so in this happened. He discussed the financial consequences of getting a divorce from jan with an attorney and when his father found out he was super angry. His father told michael that if he continued the affair the funeral business would be divided into quarters between himself his mother his sister and him and after that michael had real concerns about the stakes of his cheating he was well aware that he could lose everything and you know after that he went a couple of weeks without sleeping around but then he was back to his old ways pretty quickly so on tuesday july. First of two thousand eight. Angie emailed michael and they got into a discussion about how the relationship had developed over the past few weeks. She said it was still hard for her to believe that the michael roseborough loved her. He responded by telling her that part of the alert driving. The relationship was to see what the future help for them. He said he couldn't wait to wake up each morning with angie and tell her how much he loved her. He added that he knew this was going to happen. So any worry. Angie had could be helped by just a few emails from michael. He was a sweet talker. Plus michael and experienced cheater was really good at making things seem. Okay and possible. Your who's been around this block before so he might be able to deal with things a little easier. Yes he could weave a tale. I'm sure eight days before jane's death. This is july fourteenth two thousand eight. Michael roseborough wrote angie poem and he emailed it to her he titled it my heaven now. This was just a poorly written immature poem and headlines leg. I feel you need against my thigh. All that sounds like something you'd read in one of those romance novels here. One of those pope things. God but angie loved it she got real emotional over it. Well yes she's just looking at him through some rose colored glasses. Here well honestly. It's like almost like she can't imagine that the michael rose boroughs interested in her. It's like she's a high school kid. He in the quarterback on the football team is looking at her. Yeah exactly but then totally forgetting the rest of their lives and what they need to deal with exactly so three days later july seventeenth. Michael wrote to angie about an idea. He had for throwing a party for angie's fortieth birthday which was still over five months away. He wanted to be a surprise in. Throw it when she least expected it so he didn't wanna do it around her birthday. Which is kinda weird pursue. Toner this stuff. Yeah good question. But he told angie he'd call her mother and get the names and numbers of her friends and family. He said all this but didn't give any plan for how and when he was going to divorce jan so i think he was just really good at throwing up these distractions like any good con. Will your the way he was making these other fantasy plans made. It seem like jan was already dead or you know even worse that she'd never really existed. She's just out of the picture for him and then he began searching the internet for wedding dresses for at for angie sending her length since suggesting what kind of dress she should get so these are delusional people and we know love can make you foolish but this is beyond foolish. Yes the day before. Jane's death michael's emails expressed. What would come across. As a state of euphoria. There is a sense of contentment and urgency at the same time. He needed to be with. Angie all the time every morning when he saw her walk into the convenience store michael wrote was like seeing her for the first time. It was magical it was. He seemed unable to separate reality from fantasy or to be able to restrain himself at all he would repeat phrases over and over as if this would somehow make what he had to say true or at least believable to angie. Well that's kind of late. Cult leader stu. If you say something enough people start to believe it now in reality michael was really terrified of losing. Everything he'd worked for there was no way he was gonna let jan take his children his home or part of the family business. He wanted it all and he also wanted angie funk well i guess murders the only option then while you have to wonder here. He did on ninety five percent of the funeral home and been estimated to be worth over three million dollars. He had joined the businesses of former partner in nineteen ninety and is the great grandson of the founder of the business. That was harry. Melander is kind of a big deal in little denver pennsylvania. He was so i mean. That's that's a significant hit. That's a funeral home that he has close to three million dollars from. Yes but i'm not much of a business person but for some reason his father still had some control even though michael owned ninety five percent. Maybe the father was the ceo. Or something. something like that. So michael angie talked on the phone thirty four different times on the day before john's death. They sent thirty text messages and for emails to each other now. Only partially meals could be recovered. So whatever they discussed isn't really known but things did seem to be ramping up and michael had to be. She'll and a pressure living a double life. So as angie plotting to kill john roseborough along with her lover help him out or was she discussing how they would tell their spouses about the leaving to be together. Yeah well there's really no evidence that angie was part of a murder plot but there's certainly plenty of doubts and there's room for doubt michael and angie met on the morning of july twenty second as they always did afterwards. Michael was at his desk writing his first e. Mail the day to angie and this was still before eight. Am he wrote about his deep desire. That he had never felt before that angie had brought out in him and ending the email he wrote that he adored her and wanted to be with her and she wrote back that she couldn't wait any longer to be in his arms every morning when she awoke and every night when she went to bed they made plans to meet at the vacant apartment that afternoon and have sex ending her email and she wrote that she couldn't wait for all of her dreams to come true. 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Angie funk had a pretty good idea that jan was going to find out about the affair sin because it was the time of the month in the roseborough house when jan paid the household bills and remember in the past by seeing michael cell phone bill. She had caught him cheating. So there'd be suspicious if the cell phone. Bill is like times what it usually is. And there's angie's number ninety percent of the time under bill page. Yeah that would be my question. Sure right yes so before. He started emailing just before eight o'clock that morning. Michael had called. Angie seven times already beginning at five thirty a. He called her from his cell phone then from his home phone and even from the fax machine at the funeral parlour so between five thirty and eight. am on the day. His wife would be killed. He had spoken to angie for a total of thirty minutes already. Angie emailed him a few minutes after eight saying she had always wondered what life would be. Like as mrs angela lin roseborough adding that she wasn't going to have to wonder much longer so that line was unfortunate considering. What would happen that same night. The to texted each other five times between ten and ten thirty a. m. angie wrote another email to him at eleven o one a. m. telling him how much she missed him and how much she was looking forward to holding him and being with him that day. They texted each other five additional times between eleven. O two and eleven forty nine. Am when angie called michael on and his cellphone then less than a half an hour later at twelve twenty six and then at one forty. They spoke a total of eight times by cell phone since michael had woken up at five thirty six. Am that morning and called. Angie they had communicated over the phone text or email thirty eight times already. So if you listed the times michael angie communicated with each other on july twenty second not an hour passes without an email a call or a text but between one forty and four fifty nine. Pm the phone and computer contact between them stopped. And that's because they were inside of that vacant apartment together pretty much having sex for three hours between the previous morning. July twenty first and the afternoon of july twenty second the two had communicated over one hundred times but when interviewed later by the police and she told them that she couldn't remember anything they discussed. Angie was asked about scratches on michael's face and if she had seen them that afternoon being with him for hours that day close enough to kiss him and having sex with him if he had scratches on his face she should have seen them but she said no. He didn't have any scratches on his face. And you'll find out why that significant yes. You will know almost immediately after leaving the apartment in our own car. Angie called michael cell phone so this first call at exactly four fifty nine. Pm was a two minute call than five. Oh five the next call lesson thirty six minutes then for the next forty minutes. There wasn't any communication and then michael called angelie cellphone from his home phone at five forty five and after that and she sent a text and michael answered her then at six o one angie replied but she got no response to her lover. She sent another text at six forty six and again michael didn't respond so that's very unusual. Just hadn't happened before always better. Angie's get nervous. I think she was unless she knew what was going on. He called angie sitton. He called angie cellphone from his house at seven nineteen and they talked for seven minutes and at eight forty two. He called her back and during that. Call the eight forty two call. They talked about how much they loved each other and their plans to leave their spouses. Well yeah that's kind of like a broken record. it is so on. The night of jan rose boroughs murder. Jazz husband michael and michael's lover and she talked about leaving their spouses to be together. So could that be a coincidence. It could be but not likely yes. So michael and angie had actually spent more time together on that afternoon then they ever had before. Mr wanted to be with each other. They did so it must be true. Love must be. They ate lunch together and had sex that afternoon and that evening michael had to be feeling a lot of pressure to tell jan about angie but remember he's very afraid of losing that funeral home and whatever else he could tell her and likely lose his money job children and home or maybe he could kill her and try and make it look like an accident. We just don't know was going through his head but the last two phone calls. Angie made to michael on the night of july twenty second were significant between nine thirty seven and ten fourteen pm. Angie called him three times and sent one text message on their final communication. That day. Angie sent michael a text message at ten fourteen pm and he never responded to any of the calls or the text so we don't know head. Angie told him that she was pregnant with his baby she might well. Yeah she could have now. She would deny that because she would say. She didn't take a pregnancy test or know that she was pregnant until august. I but we definitely know it was michael's baby because her husband had had the secta me and of course down the road we would get some. Dna testing to confirm that. Michael roseborough made his nine one. One call at eleven to that night saying that his wife had drowned in the family. Pool has been a lot of talk about this call especially regarding michael's lack of emotion and some contradictory statements that he made so. Let's listen and then we'll discuss it afterwards. County nine one one. Sorry my way around. Okay and what happened to go outside. And i just wanna fool on. It'd be okay. Is she breathing. She's still in the water. Okay do you wanna try to start. Cpr on her. I will yeah okay. Doing need help. Do that can give you instructions on what to do. I i i would gorgeous. I i know right. I can walk you through it if you want help. That says i want to get around the pool. What's that i worked at the pool. She's still in the pool. I you said she was out of the pool. I oh my god she's. I'm sorry the tool helped me through three. Okay you so. She is out of the pool. Okay well why don't you do or anybody else there. Might my our children called nine. Okay well we need to do is get her on her back okay. You ever flipped over onto her back. He's on her back yet. Okay i want you to check and see. She has a pulse. You now to do that. I do okay. There is none. we're gonna do is. We're going to start the cpr. Okay keep her head tilted. Back pincher knows closed. Cover her mouth with yours and gave her to deep regular brett's about one second each this iron for the fire department there. Okay hold on. Hold on okay okay. That's fine is there somebody there. No okay we're going to do is start to compressions. Okay go ahead and put your hand on her chest. I want you to pumper. Chest hardened fast about thirty times about poise a second. Okay okay but the chest come up all the way between pumps and let me know when you've done into thirty tonnes okay. Okay go ahead and do that do that about thirty times. Okay go ahead and look in your mouth and anything in there. Okay yeah meals is there. Okay sure go get them. Okay thank you all right. So what do you think well. I know that people have different ways of expressing their emotions but this is probably the least emotional. Nine one one call. I've ever heard that is striking about it is. He's reading a laundry list. Or something. I know and then also he starts out of giving himself an alibi saying i went to bed an hour ago. That's critical we gotta have that alabama established yes then. He says he took her out of the pool but he didn't take her the pool. That's like the most suspicious thing isn't it. He says he dragged her out of the pool that he says i'd like to get her out of the pool. Twice says that you're so that's very suspicious. Also the mentioning of being a lifeguard seems extraneous and the times for checking the pulse and giving the compressions seemed kind of short. And he doesn't really seem outta breath no you if you've jumped in the pool pull your wife out. You've done some chest compressions and some mouth-to-mouth you to be a little more winded. Yeah that would really be exhausting. It would be hard to pull someone out of the pool She was in the deep end so close to six feet down. He said she was down under the water. Who's gonna get her get her to the surface and in moisture up over the side of the pool he. Mp sounded pretty cool and relaxed for all that so the first responders showed up at the house within a few minutes. We heard the sirens and the three younger roseborough. Children were asleep in the house. At the time. Michael told the police he'd gone to bed and jan had stayed out by the pool then about an hour later. He noticed that the lights were still on around. The pool said he went outside to turn off the lights and then he saw jan was underwater in the deep end so he pulled her out called nine one one and gave cpr until the ambulance arrived. So that's his story. But then his cohen who nine one one operator. She still in the water. Yes so well. She could have been in the water anywhere from one to sixty minutes. According to that timeline. Michael told the police he'd gone to bed at ten and nine one one call was made at eleven o two zero. That's assuming that june was alive ten. Yes that's a big assumption. Now as medics got her inside the ambulance drove off to the hospital. Some blood poured out of the back of her head turning the pillow. Bright red kind of like maybe a blood vessel had burst in her head. His there hadn't been any blood visible on the pool. Deck or inside the water. Jan was rushed to the hospital where she was pronounced dead just before midnight. So there wasn't much resuscitation. It could be done now. The belief is that she was dead for quite a while. You're michael never approached the ambulance at all or asked to ride along with her. He didn't ask anyone which hospital his wife was being taken to. You know how she was even if she was alive maybe he was still in shock or too upset to react but this behavior was not what we would expect of someone in this kind of position. Not at all. No here's a crazy thought. Probably he's a mortician right. Yeah he deals with death all the time he does so maybe he's more matter of fact about it. Yes i could see that but then you could turn that offer and say maybe it's easier for him to kill then so that could work for him or against him also. he had access to some chemicals. That could probably clean up blood pretty well. Betty has plenty of chemicals. Now family members began to show up pretty quickly at the house. Phone records would show that michael called his father at home and then for some reason he called the funeral home which is closed. I mean there's no reason to call it. No one's going to answer. Michael state at the house while janice taken away and there are many relatives by this time to watch the kids so he could go to the hospital but he didn't go stayed home police on the sand. Nc anything out of place. Everything looks normal. Seen didn't appear to be too perfect either. As if someone had cleaned up the area was well maintained more than anything else. They were looking for signs that jan had accidentally tripped on something and fallen into the pool. If that's the case it had to be evidence left behind indicating that she had slipped and fallen and hit her head. There wasn't anything that indicated that while the lights inside the pool were on so it was easy to see the bottom. There was a red cell phone sitting by a pair of reading glasses and there were two small stones. The stones were similar to those in the landscaping around the pool. Michael who hadn't gone to the hospital was walking around being comforted by family members near the screened in porch on the opposite side of the deep end of the pool. Police did find a bucket and when they smelled it. It had a strong odor of a cleaning solution. The fluid was whitish and there was a rag floating in the bucket. Sure it wasn't blood tinged. No i don't think it was but you know there are some chemicals that the sun stupid saying make blood disappear but they make it not visible anymore like peroxide if you pour peroxide on a spilled blood it just kinda eats it up. I don't know what the chemical reaction is. More wasn't through some blood in the pool. Yeah i don't know it. Almost seems like the wound she had had kind of coagulated and then opened up then. Didn't open up until they were getting her in the ambulance or curry. Well it's what it seems like. If you believe everyone's descriptions of the night now mike texter. He was best friends with jannine. Michael rose boroughs oldest child sam on july second two thousand eight after he got out of work at nine. Pm mike went to the roseborough house and he arrived around nine thirty. He parked his car in the gravel section of the driveway which was near the pool and sam met him outside. He walked around the pool toward the screened in porch. And he said hello to michael and jan who were sitting near each other on the deck and he would say that all the lights were on. Mike and sam went into the pool house. Got something to eat watched a little tv and then they went out back to the patio after another friend came by and they decided to go swimming in a fourth friend's house that was nearby when they left. It was ten oh five. Pm michael was sitting on the steps inside the pool with his arms out along the edge and half his body underwater jan was lying on the deck in back of him supposedly looking at airplanes or the stars the tiki lamps the pool lights and the floodlight in the back of the house that was in the garage area. We're all on and after swimming for an hour at the other friend's house. The boys were getting ready to go to mcdonald's for late night snack mike texture and sam heard sirens and then they wondered what was going on then. Sam heard that an ambulance was at his house so he and mike took off for sam's house to see what was going on once they got there. Mike notice that michael was wearing the same red swim trunks that he had on when he was sitting in the water about an hour earlier realizing that jan was in an ambulance on her way to the hospital salmon. Mike would into the house to find out what had happened so he said the he had gone to bed is going to sleep in his bathing suit. Now that's one of the things about his story. That doesn't really out or model slow. I just picked up on. Yeah so the first officers responding had asked a few people at the rose boroughs home if john had been drinking that night. Who's usually if something like this happens at someone who's drunk or on drugs. It just doesn't normally happen to a normal adult mcgurk. We now it did seem like she hadn't been drinking. There was no evidence of it. No empty glasses or bottles of alcohol. And according to michael jan light going out and looking at the star sitting by the pool now. The police initially believed that they could figure out a logical explanation for this accident. May janet falon and hit her head while she was out there by herself or maybe she had some medical problem like a heart attack so outside around the home all those lights were on and the grounds of the entire roseburg home were always lit up according to neighbors and friends and family especially because it was summer the kids had been staying up till eleven twelve at night normally and they'd be out there playing and make noise until sometimes ten or eleven but for some reason that night the younger children had gone to bed. Early generals boroughs pronounced dead at eleven fifty seven. Pm renault enter told michael that he had no idea what was going on with her but at the same time he never asked he hadn't driven to the hospital he hadn't asked to go in the ambulance. He had not gotten any information on her condition. Yet it it just seemed that everyone walking around was under the impression that she had died. Michael had told someone in a group of family members and friends at the scene that his wife had died. I said this without knowing for sure. Well yes but it's kind of a safe assumption in some ways of course if you're the spouse though. I don't think you'd assume something like that. No you'd be hoping for her to be resuscitated. She was severely injured in pulse. Lewis i guess you could infer from. That shoe is dead. Yeah well when a detective arrived in evaluated the scene. He found it really odd. That michael roseborough was still at the house. He seemed to be engaging with the crowd in almost a casual way and showing no concern about getting to the hospital. No need to go to his wife side. Nothing like that. He was in the back of the house inside the screened in porch surrounded by family and now this included his oldest son sam. Those other three children were still sleeping. Around thirty people were roaming around that scene including family friends. Medics fire personnel neighbors. And even with all this going on the children didn't wake up so this would later lead to some speculation that maybe michael head drugged the younger kids with benadryl or something like that so they would sleep through it. That's possibility now. There wasn't anything unusual about the police. Being there. it was protocol unexplained death and that had to be explained. Although michael was with family. He seemed uninterested in finding out what was going on with his wife. So detective call the hospital for information. He was told that jan had a deep puncture wound behind her left ear that was about when centimeter in diameter. So it's possible that it was a gunshot wound. Her body was x-rayed and there was no sign of any gun. Scheider bullets any of that now. And after examining the scene the police found no blood anywhere outside. So could she have fallen. Hit her head hard enough to get such a severe wound and not leave any blood behind now. It did begin raining hard off and on that night and one of those downpours. It was one of those downpours that seem to come out of nowhere and then just abruptly stop and then start again so the rain could have washed away the blood concealing where janet fallen and also there was that bucket of cleaning fluid to consider of course the cleaning fluid had been used than jen's death was not an accident at all. Because of someone's cleaning it up. Something has happened like murder. You're i'm still having a tough time explaining how there wasn't blood in the pool. Yeah it's a little lot. Although a little blood might just dissipate in the water. You might not know. But what you were describing. When they had her in the ambulance was that it was soaking the pillow. Shoe is on yes but they also said they didn't see it until they got in there and it was like a burst vessel. So that's what i was thinking. Maybe there was a clot forming. That had broken loose. Sure i guess there could happen now. Detectives asked michael to come down to the police station and help them clear up. What had happened one. Detective notice that michael kept dabbing at his face and that there was something oozing from an area around his chin and upper lip. There was using coming out of his upper lip and he kept wiping out with his finger so looked like losing blood like maybe he did have some injuries on his face. But at that point the detective didn't bring it up. I think they were giving him a little more benefit of the doubt because of his standing in the community upstanding community member toxicology tests. Chance blood. we're going to take some time. You're never sure if somebody could be a closet alcoholic or drug user so they needed to find out what had happened but at this point they didn't think there was a crime michael over the evening and what had happened. When he found his wife in the pool he said that he walked outside his boxer shorts to blow out the tiki torches and noticed that his wife was in the bottom of the pool so he jumped in swam down into the deep end grabbed her out to hold her and pulled her out then he called nine one one and we must have been out of breath after then probably frantic but once the nine one one call was listened to detect us would know that he didn't seem at all short of breath or upset and this is all from a guy who was a heavy smoker heavy drinker. Who just didn't exercise. I so so he should have been very out of breath when get drowned on his by. Try to rescue his wife. Yeah have a heart attack in with her we'll after consulting the. Da police asked michael for his consent to do a walk through of the house. They've got no evidence of a crime at this point so they couldn't get a search warrant yet after two. am the interview with. Michael was still going on. He told the detective that his wife took ten to twenty milligrams of adderall every day. But no other medications so adderall. And it's an amphetamine stimulates the central nervous system pretty much prescribed for narcolepsy or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder or attention deficit disorder and according to michael. John had been diagnosed with. Add and needed the medication just to maintain a stable moods stable life. Jan didn't drink anything. But i had a few beers. Michael said when asked about their marriage. He said it was good. He did not mention his affair with angie her he added that he and jan had a plan to renew their vows on the beach. In the outer banks in north carolina. They were going to go on the tenth to the seventeenth of august. And when asked he agreed to a walk through the house and he signed the consent form. So it's interesting to me that he volunteered about the vow renewal but kept the affair a secret through it's gonna put them in better late talkin by renewing their vows. Sure but if it was an accident why would you need to plant yourself in a better light. You should just be honest. i would imagine there. He wasn't thinking their way. So not once during that interview. Did michael ask about the status of jan. It was three to four hours. After janet had been taken from her home in an ambulance and he had never asked about her and of course he hadn't gone to the hospital either. In fact not once did michael or even any one of his family members or friends call the hospital to see if jan was alive and no one had asked if for win. Jan had been pronounced dead. Let's really bizarre to me. It's bizarre not so much that her husband wasn't doing that but none of the relatives or friends right. You would think the husband's distress than another family. Member would do that here or they'd take him to the hospital but for no one to show up or call sperry strange moose to me so it was a woman with a big family around well loved a lot of people so it's really odd that they were all just kind of supporting him and not checking on her. That gives me a bad vibe about the whole relationship. Yes no the wounded jan had on the back of her head turned out to be a deep gash the shape like the litter l this designer scout behind her left ear and a tunnel to her skull so this is not a wound that could happen easily. That's for sure. The doctor detective were convinced. There had to be evident somewhere around the house explaining how jan had received such an injury. 'cause you couldn't get an injury like this one without leaving a clue as to got. They're mainly bled somewhere or hair but there should be some signs now as the doctor began the autopsy. He kept an open mind about the cause of death. But the more he looked at jen's body the more it appeared that she had been murdered. He took scrapings from underneath her fingernails and put them in evidence bags to senator the forensic lab. He noted that jan had short fingers. He noted that chan had short fingernails and honor left hand. He was able to obtain scrapings and just four of the fingers. That's because several years back. Janet but a juicy machine and she had misadventure with it and stuck her hand into it. Ground her left middle finger down pasa cuticle. That must've hurt like hell must've been on. There wasn't just a quick slice since down to the ground at down melbourne. Wow so she. As a result had no left middle finger tip and this is going to be coming important piece of evidence after he finished. Documenting all of the bruises and abrasions on john's body the dr dini autopsy began his his internal examination. Yes so after. He shaved her head. He saw that the wound to her scalp was worse than they had thought so. He made an with the scalpel above. Janse forehead back down over each ear and peeled the scout back from john's head. This exposed her skull. The tissue underneath her scalp with their scout pulled back off her skull. The coroner could see that she had actually been beaten over the head and killed. It was very clear to him. This wasn't just a few bruises in a certain part of her head where she may have bumped it like if she'd fallen there were sections which showed violent contusions obtained before her death so he had no doubt that she had been beaten over the head. Now also her body had no abrasions. Bruises from being dragged from the pool. If michael had pulled her out in a hurry to save her life she should had some scrapes on the trunk of her body or her legs so once the examiner opened up janssen neck. He found bruising along the area of the carotid arteries on each side of her neck. So she'd been choked to at some point close to her death than inside of her chest. He found a frothy substance coming from her lungs. So jan had been alive when she went into the pool and she had actually drowned. She had been beaten strangled and put in the water to die so john's death was ruled a homicide by multiple head injuries strangulation and drowning with this new information. Detectives went back to talk to michael again. There were two scratches on the left side of his mouth and one on the right side and the number and placement of the scratches. They thought were very significant. Because jan had that one fingertip missing. It was really just a stub. So if she had scratched her husband's faced with that hand it would leave only three scratches as opposed to what you would normally see would before so about an hour into this interview. Michael said he had to work on john's obituary so he couldn't talk anymore but he agreed to go to the police station later to talk more as they walked away from the house it again astonished the detectives that michael had not asked one single question of them about what happened to his wife and when he arrived at the police station that evening he was told that jan had been beaten in drowned and that her death had been ruled a homicide. But according to the police interviewers michael showed no reaction at all to. This news didn't even seem surprised by that. So search warrants were signed by judge on july twenty fourth. Two thousand eight the weren't stipulated some of the items. They were looking for as trace evidence including hair fibers. Lead bodily fluids fingerprints and anything with bloodstains. They presses the pool area patio and any other common area for blood. Splatter now the fact that it had rained so heavily the night before and throughout the next day made the possibility of finding blood slim and after photographing the inside and outside areas of the house they worked in the backyard and in the pool area. It looked like people who've been hanging out at the pool since the murder. So let's discuss is disturbing to think of family members and friends join the pool where john had been found dead just days before. Well yeah i mean it would still be the same water that she had died in it. Just see some disrespect here like maybe the family and friends aside from john's family and her children didn't really respect her checking her. Yeah it's just weird the way. They were kind of circling michael as if they were protecting him and then being disrespectful and very nonchalant about her death her. No it's disturbing to me. One neighbor seemed to care more. She told the investigators that she is disgusted. 'cause she looked out and saw kids and adults swimming in the pool in the days after john had been found dead there. So that's just so disrespectful. I don't get this was supposed to be a lovely woman that people cared about but was michael religious running things that seems japan impression so even after they sprayed the hole pull dick area with blood detection. Chemicals investigators could find no trace of bled though. If john had bled outside someone had to know what he or she was doing when they cleaned it up the accidental slipping theory. That jan could have fallen on a planter. Split her head open and then fell into the pool and drowned. Just didn't have the evidence to support it especially with the autopsy results that can does man. She got bashed in the head. Yes terrible and not. One hit several hits. Yeah there was definitely a struggle here so there goes the tripping and falling aspen. Yes so it's possible that jan could have been killed inside the house and then brought outside share but at this point investigators had no motive. They had little in the way of circumstantial evidence and absolutely no forensic evidence. Well yeah they don't even know about the affair ni- yet now. Police decided to canvas the neighborhood and there was a house directly across the street from the roseborough pool. If a person stood on the second story and looked out a window they directly sought into the roseborough pool area so a couple lived there with the initials. Sm j. m with their three siberian huskies. Sm had a routine with the huskies. The last time to go outside was at nine so she took them out herself each night and because she worked the night shift at the denver. Pepperidge farm plant. She took the dogs out got her lunch ready and then left her house at ten fifteen pm so her car was parked in the garage and when she left she drive out of her driveway and she'd be looking straight at the rose boroughs yard so on the night of john's murder. Sm said that the roseborough house was pitch black. There were no cars in the driveway. There weren't any lights on outside at all which was very unusual because the rose boroughs always had that backyard lit up so as sm was getting ready to go to work she was looking out at the rose boroughs backyard and this was around ten pm so michael had said that he left jan outside at that time and then all the lights had been on supposedly so jan could enjoy the night scott but as sam said that she could see the pool and the house she could see that the tiki lights were out and all the other lights were out as well not even that light on the overhead garage which is turned off. Only by a breaker switch or by unplugging it was lit so that seems very purposeful. Certainly there's then there's a second neighbor who had been driving by the house at ten thirty five that night the night jan was murdered and this neighbor also reported that the backyard was completely dark. So here you've got to separate witnesses. Who didn't know each other making the same observation and the second witness also said that the front of the house was dark and usually that was lit up to. I guess the rose boroughs like the have light side. He while we have four kids kind of understandable plus it was summer so there was a lot of partying and good times with family out there. The pool was new. it had just been opened. Or you're gonna use it. Yes michael roseborough said. The only reason he went outside that night was because he saw the tiki lights were still lit so if an intruder had gotten into the backyard and killed jan does that mean the intruder relive those tiki torches. That made absolutely no sense. I suppose you could decide. The janet turned off the lights so she could see the stars in the airplanes in the sky. Better but then what kind of killers gonna walk around in re light the torches after they murder somebody. It's just not probable or even believable soon. The police got a phone call from a lawyer. Who michael it hired. Then the same day a call came in from someone who knew angie funk and this person told the police that something was going on between angie and michael. So here was the motive. They'd been looking for and it was easy to find angie. She was a married mother of two. Who live just one block away from roseborough funeral home. Detectives went to. Angie funk's home which looked out on the business sign of the funeral home. The employee entrance and the garage and also michael rose boroughs. Parents lived right next door to angie so if she is having an affair with a man whose wife had been murdered. Then why hadn't angie called. The police told him well. I know why admit that. Well i think if you're a concerned citizen you would but yeah. I see what you're saying. But angie now told the police that and roseborough had plan on getting married according to angie. Her affair with michael began with a smile and a chance meeting near the coffee counter inside a convenience store it escalated quickly and quickly became all consuming. Sure and then. Angie said that she told michael on august first two thousand eight that she was pregnant so they'd use condoms as birth control. She said but she talked about a condom breaking or coming off. She couldn't recall exactly what had happened. Michael said that. Maybe she should have an abortion considering the circumstances of his wife just dying and all that but she wouldn't even consider it she was going to have michael rose boroughs baby and there was nothing he could say to change that she was actually pretty excited about it. So angie had called the police when she found out and told them that she was pregnant with michael's baby and she made a strong point of saying that she just found out that it was after john's murder she wanted to make that clear. Police arrested michael for the murder of his wife. The next day august second. They wanted dna and fingerprints from him. According to the warrant. Michael roseborough had intentionally knowingly recklessly or negligently caused the death of his wife. Jan roseborough michael's attorney's theory about john's murder was that it was a robbery by someone. She didn't know just a random person came by the random dude into go into their house. Rob them so days. After her death. Michael decided to bring this up with the police and now he claimed that janet wearing forty thousand dollars in jewelry out by the pool that night and that it was gone when he pulled her from the pool. But this is the first time he mentioned that jan was wearing very casual clothing of a hoodie and shorts and a friend of hers recalled seeing her earlier that day at the bank. She wasn't wearing any jewelry and she was wearing the same hoodie shorts. She'd been found in the pool wearing so if you're going to believe that it was a robbery. You're going to have to think. She came home in her hoodie and shorts and decided to put on the forty thousand dollars worth of jewelry to wear by. The pool. Here are concealed when you put it that way. It sounds a little incredible. It does and by pretty much every account. She was not the kind of person who dressed up in wore jewelry. Normally in the middle of the day she was more of a casual person. But michael and his supporters would claim that it was definitely a robbery. Michael had not killed jan but a stranger had done it. And the stranger had stolen her jewellery. So that's who they wanted the police to look for right. The one armed man at trout the da. Put much of. Its focus on. Angie funk and angie took a lot of heat from both sides. I'm sure she did during the trial. Neighbors had reported that. Angie had been seen pushing michael's baby matthew in the stroller passed the funeral home and michael's parents house. Yes so she'd given birth while he was in jail the. Da says about. Angie and feelings toward michael that he was like a rockstar to her. He discussed the thousands of phone. Calls texan emails. Exchange between angie and michael in a relatively short time very short time. This is all like within five weeks. I meet your soulmate. You know yeah. I guess so a fulltime detective on the case testified and explain the lighting on the rose boroughs property to the jury and this was at some length. This testimony supported the prosecution's determination that it would be impossible for an intruder to turn out every light after cleaning up a crime scene. He also explained a series of photos showing the inside and outside of the roseborough home. Detectives also described the second interview. Michael roseborough he has asked to give the police more details about how they had found. Jan the defense attorney tried everything. He could to raise doubt in the jury's minds but detectives testified that michael had seemed evasive unemotional and not at all upset by the loss of his wife of nineteen years. Yeah and in day to day. Life that significant. But i would say as far as the law in his innocence. I can't judge him on that. Especially you know like you said. He's probably more used to death than the average person and maybe he's used to be calm so even though i don't like it i don't think that could really be used against him too much although they certainly tried garwood while the defense attorney talked about how michael had pulled jan from the pool and tried to save her then he talked about sam and the other three children how they all got along so well and how distressed michael was. When sam friend returned to find the police in the family at the house with jan on her way to the hospital michael had cooperated with the police from the beginning his attorney said and there was no evidence to indicate a murder would certainly wasn't true but the defense had hired medical experts who were willing to contradict. The state's expert really convincing witness for the prosecution was adopted siebert. He had cared for jan when she's taken to the hospital. The doctor describes the scene at the hospital on the night she was brought in and he said it was his decision and stop cpr. Because jan was dead. There's no hope of bringing back the other key piece of information. Dr zebra offered was shocked at nanette. Call the hospital to check on jan status and michael roseborough also never showed up to see his wife and talk to her. Doctor and zebras said he had never experienced that before. Now that is really weird. Yes in july of two thousand nine. After his three week jury trial. Michael roseborough was convicted of first degree murder which carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison without. I disagree with the jury's decision roseborough sad after the verdict was read. But i respect it. That was big of him. Argue the pennsylvania superior court denied. Michael rose boroughs appeal of his first degree murder conviction for killing us white. His attorney appealed the conviction arguing. That a new trial should be granted and this was based on the comments of two jurors who had posted on facebook. According to the appeal the two young jurors ignored the court's instructions not to discuss the case with anyone during the trial and interfered with. Michael rose boroughs legal right to a fair trial. The panel of three judges concluded in an eleven page opinion that the comments were not enough to win a new trial so according to the court records one of the jurors stated he was depressed by learning how and why the murder happened and later made posts complaining about the length of the trial and in response a friend had commented. Fry the defendant another juror road on facebook that jury duty blows but they decided that wasn't enough and i agree. That's not a lot particularly that sirkin. Were jury duty blows. And that's nothing. Yes now michael is serving his sentence in the state prison near muhanna city. 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This case involves a little bit of everything from research of elaine. Fail a bathing. Even a false confession. It took two years. For the case to come full circle community outrage vilified the family and allegations will social media. Who had worked to said alarm. Larval person the shocking conclusion will leave you astounding. I feel this is a unique. An interesting case with a lot of revenue comes as for beer. I would recommend bo. And luke and imperial stout out of louisville kentucky. You'll love it. Keep up the good work have a great day. Thank sought shelly. That does sound interesting. And i think maybe we won't tell any of the outcomes of this one so that we can cover it. I don't think. I wanna give it all away. I'm saying that's fine okay. Cruise we're gonna look. Yeah because it sounds like a really offensive crime. Well this poor kid. I say kids. She's nineteen shoes like the size of a five year old. That's really sad. Shoes really developmentally delayed. That'd be a good case at also. I just one final note for shelley. I've had bowen luke good beer all right great so if we do the case we can do that. Beer if you can find it great so next. We have a case suggestion from dieppe. Hi dicken gel. This is diane calling from the great prairie of minnesota southern minnesota near the iowa and south dakota border. I am a retired paramedic. My husband is a district court. Judge here or he practiced criminal defense law for twenty two years. And i think after all the podcasts. I've listened to. He's pretty much convinced. That might be up to some nefarious things soon. But this joking We've been happily married from this thirty years now so but anyway just wanted to let you know that i'm a very very much. Enjoy your podcast. Research is wonderful your production and presentation is so engaging despite the topics and i did have a case that you might be interested in than happened in two thousand seventeen and you can find it. It happened in bucks. County pennsylvania just north of philadelphia. Where i grew up and my husband new jersey. So this really hit home for us. The man convicted of these murders. This name cosmo denardo and on discovery. Id you can find a show called the lost boys of bucks county and you know it was very it hit home because it was in bucks. County is very very nice area to live and low crime rate and these crimes are so heinous in there. Were missing young one year olds for quite some time. Sadly no beer recommendations. Because we don't get a lot of good beer out here on the prairie and my husband will will only drink newcastle brown ale and guinness doubt so But anyway thank you. So much for your podcasts. The are engaging. I enjoy them And okay so day in was cut off but thank you diane very much. We appreciate that. What do we know about this crime. Anything you'd like to say about it. Well these killings there are three killings to the victims were together. The time they were killed denardo was a schizophrenic on and off medication and he is dealing marijuana and these boys young men. We're going to buy some marijuana from fairly good quantities. I think the first one was gonna buy four pounds of marijuana. That personal use probably don't know sounds like they were going to sell some and his his excuse was that he thought that is going to be robbed three times three three events for for men. Three events right okay. Well sure i'll look into that some more. That does sound interesting. doesn't it. So now we have a couple of emails. I'll do this when you can do the next so this first one is from yvette. Who says i would love to hear you do an episode on the kendra hatcher case. I found your youtube channel by chance a couple months ago and have been a fan ever since keep up. The great work thinks that. Thank you kendra. Hatcher was a pediatric dentist. And she was killed in two thousand fifteen and turned out that the person who killed her as a hitman hired by her boyfriend's former girlfriend so she's a little trouble letting go and that's all. I'm going to say about that okay. So our next email is from audrey and audrey rights three-year-old. Marcus feazel goes missing. His foster mother told police she had four or five kids at the park. It was a hot and humid day in cincinnati and she got dizzy and blacked out. She said when she came to. Marcus was gone so the community was distressed. Of course they had many searches to no avail. The foster parents did multiple news interviews and press releases the foster mother slash father seemed distraught and held nothing back about their unconventional personal life. Airing their dirty secrets gave them ara of believability for a time. A won't reveal the rest of the story as it's almost too unbelievable to be true that is horrifying or reduce. There has to be a special place in hell for people who do this to a kid. Yeah what's wrong with people and these are supposed to be foster people so these kids are already at risk in need someone to care for them. You're so suffice it to say the foster parents were responsible for doing something to this little boy. Her story was ally which it sounds like a lie. Your who was yeah. We went to a wedding or something story about how she gun faint and passed out briefly. Yeah totally well sure but were they at the park. No they're at a wedding or something for two days left a little kid home. okay. And i'll leave it there. Oh that's horrible. Yes okay really horrible. Don't think i'll cover it. But audrey i do appreciate you writing in so one thing i wanted to say is every month. We do a premium episode for our subscribers that support this show and this month dick is gonna do something interesting. Wanna tell us about it. Sure Take a few cases that has some follow up to him. I know that lori. What's your name day bell. Yeah some interesting stuff on her. Look i got four or five other episodes that we've done. That would be good to follow up on saw. We'll be doing something. Yeah and what i was going to do is just throw out a request. If anybody has updated information on a case we've covered that you'd like to share. We could certainly do that. That could be part of our show kirby so if you have any updates feel free to email them to us or calling with the voice mail and talk about them dorfman. that'd be great to well. Thank you everyone for joining us at the quiet end today. It's great to be back and we'll see you next time we will. We'll save a chair for the bar. Okay bye bye bye guys.

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Arizona State scandal & CFP expansion update

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Arizona State scandal & CFP expansion update

"Welcome to the audible presented by trader. Joe's i'm stewart mandel joined by bruce feldman it is the middle of june bruce which is usually one of the quietest times in college football of the year. And i'm i'm i'm you know i've been as busy as ever been i. You are to. It's just been in explosion of news in college football. Let's talk about a pretty explosive story. That emerged on wednesday in terms of recruiting violations at arizona. State that You and are. Asu writer. doug taylor have been on top of so Herm edwards obviously has had an interesting time as the head coach at a issue and Look i think he really is handed the keys of his program largely to his defense coordinator antonio pierce. Who's i think has been promoted four times there and there has been a lot of chatter on the west coast especially over the last week about Some questionable recruiting Tactics and one of the things that come to light. As we reported at the athlete was that arizona state was hosting recruits on campus and in their building during the dead period that was imposed related to covid throughout. And this was like it was interesting after our story went up. I got a call last night which being wednesday night From a coach. Who's in the afc who said who's who's like we heard about this because we had two kids we were recruiting are recruiting who just matter-of-factly had talked about how they had been at asu. And we're like why you know. This was back earl much earlier in the spring way before this month started obviously And this coach made an interesting point. He's like you know a lot of kids most kids. You recruit do not know the ncaa recruiting rules. They do not know the recruiting calendar. They they just don't understand it. It's like something where it's complicated for high school coaches to know. So what you're doing is you're going to have family members in some cases recruits you know in on basically A somewhat of a secret That's probably getting out. And what we have found with duggan. I of reporting we talked to a bunch of former. Asu coaches and staffers. As well as. I've talked to a lot of people around the pac twelve and coaches around the country This was kind of an open secret on that was That was out there and so it got into a little bit as we reported of what one former. Asu coach described as a quote rogue culture and had corroborated that At one point a year ago. Asu for three assistant coaches. Were guys that this particular person said were of high integrity in wouldn't cheat And they were guys that were fired in. This person felt antonio pierce you know. It was really the one that herm edwards leaned on a lot and it was like basically these guys were guys that they knew were wouldn't probably do some of these things and they replace them with younger coaches who would kind of just basically do whatever they were told in that regard and which you've gotten some really really dubious Conduct in it and One of the things we'd report on was like this coach talked about personally. Witnessing an instance last season in the twenty twenty season Where ran into a recruit being brought up like backstairs by some recruiting assistance during coded. And they were taking him to meet meet up with her and this person was like it was blatant You know and so there. That's seems to be the tip of the iceberg here and one of the one of the Coaches i talked to today made the point that was like here. You're having all the stuff go in the pac twelve with asu and your you know it's it's out there now and it doesn't right now it doesn't right to the threshold of some of the stuff you see at some other like programs like people have made this comment to me in the conference. It's like it's not like arizona. State has had like a top ten recruiting class. They had the eighth ranked recruiting class according to two four seven last year. So it's not like yes. They landed jaden daniels. Who was who has been a terrific player for them. It was a big get for them. But it's not like they've been recruiting top ten classes in the wake of all this so it's gonna be really interesting to see how much of this pours out but i think it is going to bring to light. You know it's a really interesting situation. Because i know you and i've talked about this a lot over a couple years. When ray anderson the arizona state. ad hired herm edwards. He boasted about how they're going to do things a certain way and really look towards this. You know kind of almost like an nfl model and where her is delegating. A lotta stuff. Well the nfl model is one thing but the ncaa is going to view it. As head coaches are responsible for what goes on in their program. Now one of the things. I had heard from a former f. Asu staffer was. You know some of the guys who are deeply rooted in the nfl world but maybe new to college coaching. And that's that was the case of you know what's the leadership at a issue. Right now is they may not really they think these some of these rules are really stupid. They may not respect them and it sounds like they didn't care about bendon them a couple of things that that really stand out to me for wine. I mean you know for the most part. People are focused on the when you talk about a recruiting violation somebody trying to get an edge. It's a competitive advantage But in this case we're talking a kind of a blatant disregard for health and safety. You know all teams in the country last year. We're trying so hard to basically form a bubble around their football program to keep You know people from coming in that might Spread covid and i. We don't know. I don't know what the crime the order of events was here with when the recruits came in and went but asu had one of the worst outbreaks in the country. Last year. they had to cancel three straight games. Herm edwards tested positive. Half the coaching staff tested positive. I remember when matt berry the sportscenter anchor who went to a issue and clearly connected. There tweeted early on during that stretch that they didn't have enough guys on one side of the ball to practice so year. They were having massive cova issues. Amidst all that you know based on the description it was just kinda like free rein they're bringing in recruits and their families and having visits just like normal times they're hiding recruits in this in the stadium. Sweet during a game You know that. Put the players in the staff in the building endanger. And i think that because of that you know the ncaa is going to take a much harsher look view of this then just like you know they. They brought in some kids when they shouldn't have you know if there were just like run of the mill recruiting violation And then yeah the other thing that really stands out to me in your reporting pete damn has a story about this on yahoo Is you you rarely see a situation. Where so many people are so eager to dunk on the asu to to to out them like usually no. There's this unwritten code where everybody knows who's cheating but nobody turns them in or not rats them out you got if former Staffers there guys like you said they run off guys who didn't want to be part of this. Who are jumping at the chance to talk to the ncaa who were eager to let somebody know how shady it was there. And you know we like you said like what we've reported so far is probably just the tip of the iceberg in terms of this rogue recruiting operation. That was going on and yeah. This is where that that infamous press release when in and by the way for people who don't know or don't remember rare anderson. The ad there was herm edwards agent when he was an nfl agent so first he hires his former client and then they put out this press release. That makes a point not just. They hired a coach but they are going to invent. When i looked at up yesterday they called the new leadership model. A new model for college. Coaching with the coaches the ceo. Who is you know the leadership guy. The big picture strategy guy. It was their admission that her has no college coaching experience. And yet they think this is going to be great. Because they'll just structured in a different way where he is the big picture guy and the coordinators and the assistant sir. Maybe more empowered to run the day to day and based on this early description. I mean it just blew up spectacularly. So i think they're in big trouble You know without knowing all the full details yet. It just seems like when you got this when they when the compliance people are already the ncaa already they're interviewing people There's a reference and one of the stories to there being video You know well the video. So the video part of this. I can get. This is something we talked about. You know a little bit internally is their security but yeah so and one of the coaches has said one when the coaches has said look you know you're gonna get caught at this because their security video Unless you're gonna erase the security video which puts it into another threshold That is kind of mind. Boggling that this now keep in mind. This is not two thousand. Twenty obviously was not a normal season. So i know you. And i talked about this a day earlier about well. How could people not in the building see we remember. It wasn't like you're having the normal foot traffic. You're having the normal day to day where you know. Certain people are around. There's there's receptionists. there's admins whatnot. This is a little different dynamic. But you still have the security footage and so you know as Doug and i had talked about there. Have been You know what we have heard of this. This packet that has been sent A whistleblower in the program You know somebody had said to me. I don't know what's in the package specifically but what i've heard it's like three dozen pages and that there's some receipts in there. That could be very very damning and as you mentioned there is a lot and i you know this a couple of the people i spot spoke to who fit in this category. Who are not going to hold back and not going to lie to the ncaa when they get contacted about it and also in this point got made to me by a coach in the pac twelve is that there's a lot of kids that asu probably did not sign who were part of Some illegal recruiting tactics. Those players are going to likely get contacted and they are going to be told if you lied. The ncaa causes all sorts of problems for you. There is no just like the fourth of the former assistants. Do not seem to have any allegiance right now to the regime at arizona state. There's not gonna be much allegiance to to players who may have been recruited. There were part of some sketchy behavior and then they may be turned to. I don't know how long that process because that's not something here. We are sitting here in the middle of june Pac twelve media days like five weeks away campus. Six weeks away. I don't know how quickly this all ramps up. I don't know if it's like you know not to show our cards too much. But i know doug and i have a lot more in our reporting that like it's not ready. What a t-that but there but there's there's a lot of there's a lot more stuff that we have And i'm sure that there's a lot of other people who are also now in on this especially you know not to give away show too much of the hand but it's like we'll we'll talk about this for a second is. There's a lot of a lot of parts of this that have tentacles into southern california Recruiting and seven on seven and high school football in. So it's not going to surprise me fs some newspapers get involved in the reporting as well So it's you know it's it's pretty unwieldy in terms of where this story covers where it may end up going. What i'm it's gonna be fascinating to see is how does arizona state because again the ad as we just talked about ray. Anderson is really tied into this in a way that a lot of times a dis are but not to this degree. And so you know what happens in this and i don't want to speculate too far beyond that but you know we're not that far from training camp and this thing is really kind of exploding and again as our story that we that went up on the athletic on wednesday points out it was like it's they're direct ties to her involvement. I wouldn't try to predict how the ncaa part of it plays out. Because as as we've talked about a million times it's completely unpredictable and it might take who knows what it'll take them six months a year. Two years hour-long long to do that investigation. But in the meantime we've seen schools handle this differently but it's generally based on. How successful is the coach. You know we see in basketball you know. Kansas is going to protect bill. Fight for bill self to the death. Arizona tried to fight for shawn miller for years until he stopped winning as many games and then in football league. We saw ole miss standby hugh freeze during that thing until until he had his other scandal. But we just saw tennessee. Toss cheering for it aside Want some something kind of like this. You know once kind of similar where there was a whistle blower and suddenly choice but to investigate themselves so You know herm has given them optimism But it's not like he's really won anything significance yet. There was a lot of optimism that this could be their breakout season. But we haven't seen it yet and in fact you know. Ironically that thing that he has given the most That the that the asu fans have been most excited about is the recruiting in our starting to find out. That was a house of cards. So i can't imagine there won't be some some some pink slips here and it's just a matter. How high up does it go. You know their physician assistance antonio pierce and whatnot who are directly implicated. They're probably gonna get fire. Is hurrying to get fired. I think that depends on whether this gets pinned on Whether they can prove that he had knowledge of these things or that he was directly responsible for them. If he if he needs to be fired then. I think you've gotta look at the ad rain or sin. Because this was his higher heat this was his idea and you would think he'd be held accountable for it as well. So could be just a just a complete shake-up at asu. Yeah and again. I think it's it's going to be interesting to see how they handle it because as we saying it butts up against training camp and i don't know like can you suspend assistance pending an investigation. If it's you know again it's how quickly does. Asu kind of jump into this. Because they're already there's already investigation the ncaa's ordina involved. The compliance people at asu are already involved You know put aside just what it does for the recruiting part of it for the class of of twenty twenty two but just in terms of what it means for the guys on the field and then there's also the specter of okay. Well there are players. They recruited And have signed. What does it mean for their eligibility. Yeah potentially You know there's still. There's a lot of stuff that asu compliance especially is going to have to try to get to the bottom of and they're gonna have to. I don't wanna say they're gonna have to get to bottom in a hurry but the question is going to be as You know it's like we haven't mentioned this part of it. Also you have a new pack twelve commissioner. Who is starting in thirteen days. Right and you ever anderson who was pretty prominent in terms of the president of the school at asu Those were strong voices in in the pac. Twelve in a place where you didn't have a lot that's something else. I wanted to bring up real quick michael crow the president of arizona state some presidents. Aren't that involved in athletics. He is very involved in athletics. He is probably the most prominent voice in the pac twelve among the pac twelve presidents. a lot of people say he used the reason. Larry scott stay in power for as long as he did. And there's no question his his a. I've talked to people who Work at asu and that new leadership model that that press releases in keeping with just michael rose approached everything. Everything at asu academically always framed around how they're the innovators how they're going to reinvent things. So i mean. I think he was probably i know he was. This was not entirely ray. Anderson thing like michael crow was definitely involved in the hiring and approval of edward so And i would all the other thing. I was told is that you know. He was very You know made a really big deal. About how serious they were about. Taking covid protocol seriously last year on the campus. And and how well they did completely giving an f you to that so I don't think this is going to end well for people. They're back to the podcast in a second. But i listen up. I have the scoop on your new favorite podcast. It's stars your dad or your best friend or your grandma and forcing yourself hang on. Grandma doesn't even know what a podcast is. Well that's where the people at artifact come in artifact is an audio company that captures your personal stories as one of a kind podcasts that you can share with your loved ones and keep for future generations to hear whether it's your parents telling the tale of how they met your grandma recording her life story or your nine year old talking about being nine artifact makes it easy. They connect the people in your life professional interviewers than edit those conversations into private radio quality episodes that sound like the real thing. 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So last week the working group the four people who had apparently in total secret credit to them for keeping this a secret from the media for to spend two years Hashing out this. This proposed format as recording this. All of the commissioners are in chicago troop true days of meetings. And that's where they're gonna have their first. You know kind of open. Discussion and debate over what was proposed in the next week in dallas. That same group will meet with the presidents of a group of presidents who are basically the board of the cfp not expecting them to come out of those meetings having signed sealed and delivered anything Basically they just need to give the sign off and say you know we want. We want you to keep pursuing this. We want you to to make this happen so in everybody in the industry you know The nobody thinks that greg sankey in jacksonville brick and bow these very prominent figures would have gone on national teleconference with the media. Touting all the great things about twelve team playoff if they thought there was any chance that their presence were gonna come and say nah. No we're staying for. I think everybody expects this is the model and it will happen. But it's going to take all summer and possibly into the fall to kneel down all the details to you know have to rework contracts. Possibly with the spn and the bowls so it's a long process from here but in you know we've spent a lot of time in the last week making calls talking to people around the industry and i would i get the sense that it's very popular like they. They put a lot of thought into it and people are very impressed with the overall proposal. The one element that's kind of controversial and took people by surprise is that the quarter finals will be played at ball games. I think people assumed that those would be on campus. That bowl games which have really just can't quit them. Just can't quit the habit i mean. It's it's it's amazing because the bulls have is not the days of ten fifteen years ago john. Junker at the fiesta bowl. Running up those huge expense account like the bulls. Don't have nearly the power that used to and yet you know you listen to bob. Dole's be on. that call. Talked about the sanctity tradition. And yeah i agree with you. I think they can't quit them. My story the up on the athletic on thursday gets into some of the reasons why they people feel like they can't quit them. One is just flat out there and contracts with them until twenty twenty six and if they want to do this sooner they may have no choice but to honor those contracts but also you know just is you know as much as people mock the and i know you hate it when they do mock. The lower level bowls As glorified exhibitions or whatnot. It is it is important for them to keep that going and keep that healthy because at the end of the day even in a twelve team playoff. You're talking about nine percent of the fbi. Teams are going to be in this thing in any given year. And i would say it's an even smaller percentage of teams that will regularly go to the cfp so that leaves a whole lot of schools. That still need something meaningful to play for at the end of the year So it is important to them to keep the bowl system going and maybe they feel that if they if they were to kick the the rose in the fiesta and the sugar and everything out. Completely that the trickle down effect would just kill the other bowls That's a that's a. that's a possibility. I just get the sense that the idea of you know our colleague. Andy staples definitely leading the charge on this. Dan wetzel who wrote death to the bcs a decade ago. They do. They really loved the idea of alabama florida. Florida has to go play Wisconsin and the bitter. I love the idea of that. I think a lot of fans loved the idea. I think a lot of people love the idea of that. I don't know that commissioners feel strongly about that though. I mean does it. Yeah because the commissioners outside of kevin warren You know like greg thank. You probably doesn't love. You mentioned florida. Which is obviously. It's not you know there's probably worse weather states in his footprint in terms of that but like yeah it takes it puts them at a disadvantage to go. If you're gonna go play a game against wisconsin. I covered a packers. Vikings playoff game in january. I mean it's an awesome place to be but you know. I'm not playing in the game and i'm not somebody who grew up in a warm weather state. So it's i kinda get that part of it but to me. You know that should be part of football. It's part of the nfl and the bucks went up to green bay last year. one But the interesting thing about sankey being one of the authors of this is that i i know for sure that the abc's and his conference are probably more than any other not on board with it Because they look at this as a chance to you know college. Football tendency has been in decline for a decade or more. Even at the even the alabama's even the george like everybody has trouble filling their stands especially for those early non conference games and for them. If they're if they knew that going into a year giving any given year you know that they felt like they have a pretty good chance to finish high enough to host a playoff game that becomes part of the enticement of by season ticket. You know by your season tickets. You will have first dibs on playoff tickets but under this proposal. Yeah four teams that you would have to be specifically seated five through eight to get one of those. If you're higher you don't get one of those you go straight to the to the bowl part of it so i think it's very clunky and i think the logistics of it are daunting and i think that even if they do it they'll get three years into it and be like this isn't sustainable But as of now. I think that the support for it among the commissioners is much stronger than maybe people would realize. Let me ask you a question. An inside baseball question. You talked about this a little bit. Offline but i kind of pick your brain more on it Our pow ross dellinger of sl dot com had a fascinating story. He did two days ago. About how this has been in the works for a long time and it was kept under wraps and credit to ross four Bringing it to light. I'm curious like you know. We both talked to a lot of people in college. Athletics this was not you know there was a lot of people involved in this. Like how surprised. Are you that. It was kept under wraps to this degree. And like i don. I wanna i wanna take a question beyond that which is almost like what does that tell you about how we're going with. This is last year around this time. We kind of realized how fractured the leadership of college. Football was right. It was every man or every leader every person for themselves every conference for themselves right. That's to me that was one of the takeaways from all that And yet this was like seemed to be seemed to be a very concerted effort where everybody was on board So i don't know exactly. I'm trying to phrase the question to you but like what is your read on how they were able to kind of keep that under wraps the way they were and crew presents a unified voice on something that has rarely uniform. Yeah i think that it is. I can't emphasize enough how different this process has been that covered years and years of of. Bcs meetings you know. I can remember being at a at a hotel in south florida in two thousand eight. When mike's live i proposed they don't even call it a playoff at the time of plus one nobody would dare utter playoff I was in a covered. All the meetings in two thousand twelve. They lead to the fourteen playoff. It was nothing like this. It was all public leaks. They basically looked like nick there. I guess what i would say was very adversarial. Jim delany wanted. What was best for the big ten mics live. Obama was best for the sec and everybody had their agenda and it was just kinda. It was very college. Football is very disorganized. Chaotic kind of like what we saw with covid last summer. This has been much more organized. I think they picked the right for people to to. You know wasn't the. I think the whole group had been working on it the whole time it would have leaked out. You picked four people. They swore themselves to secrecy Lots of smokescreens. Along the way rick. Sankey up until this year every time you he was asked about it. I like four teams. I'm fine with four teams. And apparently all the while he was plotting out in ross one point they talked about twenty four teams so they did very good job of that and then i really do think i don't want to sound cheesy but is really the first time in all my time covering this that they put together something where they it seems like they genuinely looked out for what's best for the sport. Not just what's best for them because it's not best for the power five to give the group of five not only to give the group of birth but to leave open the possibility they might take birth from the power five if one of the power five times as to how is how is this. Aside from the part about homes home games vs bowl games if you're the sec. You go from having a chance. You're not you're probably not getting to your rarely getting two teams. Now you may get four. I think twelve teams is definitely better for the sec than aid. No question about that yeah. Twelve teams also. Good for everybody else. This trying to get You know i mean the big ten has his is a realistic one to send multiple teams. It's great for the group of five Last year they had to they would have had to In this in the in the playoffs so they found something that everybody. That's good for the sec. That's good for the big ten. That's good for the good for. Yeah it's it's seems to be good for everybody. The only thing that i i mentioned this before and i don't know how much this'll be an issue or not is just it's more games for players to play. And but you know. Look with an i l. there there's more visibility more opportunity because as we're talking about now these some of these games in late october november should have more marketability more visibility for them so. I think that's seems to be a win win. I mean i think if you're a player for for iowa and and you're not necessarily a high round draft pick and now you get a chance instead of going to the outback bowl to play in the playoff. You're not going to be all that worried about. I have to pay extra games. I think if you're you know Name the alabama star player or the clemson star player georgia star player. Who has serious. Nfl aspirations who is going to play in this thing maybe every year of their career almost every year of their career. You know that's a whole different. That's a different animal. And i didn't think that the commissioners on that call last week. I thought their answers. We asked him about player. Safety and length Their answers were not satisfactory. I don't think in this climate where i mean literally the day were reporting this. There's like the eighteenth congress hearing about and i l. and you safety athletes safety and is a huge issue on that front for them absolutely an end. The athletes obviously are more emboldened aware than they ever have been. We saw that during covid out there. They're very aware that they are kind of you. Know like all the lanes that they went through to play the football season last year warranty. You know in large part about we can't lose the money. We can't lose the money so to your point. I think if they do this they're going to have to find a way for the athletes to be compensated for those extra games and it may be that and i l. is the way to do that. That it won't is. There's we're not. You know nobody is remotely entertaining the idea of paying players a salary or anything where the schools are writing a check to their players. Or even if the ncaa's radio but could it be that that come twenty twenty three Everybody who plays in the allstate sugar bowl gets an gets appearance fee and i'm using air quotes right now. An appearance fee from That they're like you know police for one game that they're kind of like Influence or or folks. That could be a possibility but i. i don't think. I think they will be met with fierce resistance from congress state politicians. They'll be lawsuits if they just say all right. This is the system you could play. Seventeen games and amateurism amateurism amateurism. That's just not gonna fly in the current climate all the while that these the you know the these stories have been dominating. The news cycle in college. Football mean we talk about michigan and boesch becker. Last week in that has not let up there was another round of protests. And you're seeing more former michigan. Athletes come forward to say. They were abused by that. Dr to To two point two you just the horror. The fact that michigan had so many opportunities to stop this and didn't and now there's obviously in terms of the the football program aspect of it. There's calls to remove the bone. Becker statue and to rename becker hall. And i'm always a little leery of awaiting into that when it's somebody else's campus what. I'm starting to wonder about what this thing is. Where's jim harbaugh and He he had one comment a little ago. Constant you know saying defending rochemback ler boesch. boeckler is was his undisputed mentor The guy he styles himself after as michigan's football coach and as this goes on and as more comes out As the face of michigan football like he'll go to big ten media days. He'll get asked about this. How does he respond to this in a way where. I'm sure he doesn't wanna step by. He may truly believe that both dzhembekov did nothing wrong. But there's a danger there have going to bat for him and looking like you're just being completely on sympathetic to the victims right. I do think this is a unique dynamic in that. Like you and i talked about whatever parallels there are two penn state and gop. Turn aware you boesch amac or has been an iconic figure in college football and especially tied to the university of michigan. The team the team the team there are so many people not just former players but even people we we know you know in media circles who has spent a lot of time around michigan and so there's a reverence there well as people are trying to reconcile that it's it's kinda unique in that even though boashan bekker's been gone for a long time in. This doctor has been gone for a long time. You have a head coach. Who enlarge part was brought back to his alma mater because of his connection as affinity and all things both shimba cler. And so as we've seen. Jim harbaugh is kind of an unpredictable guy when it comes to what he says in front of a microphone to I i very fascinated by this dynamic as it's relating because we've seen a lot of former standout players at at at michigan people were now twenty years removed from their playing careers speaking up and the story as you know our story on site is. We're not quitting. Robert anderson survivors demand action from michigan Jim harbaugh is going to as you said. Gonna be back in the spotlight. Some people i've talked to about then the last week about how the sham boeckler story and how it's being handled by the college football media you know. I had this conversation with somebody on a last thursday. And they've like well it's in the tapping in the off season. And you know games are not going to be played for a couple of months and as you pointed out you know one of the not one of the only times. It's been in the news but one of the flashpoints where it was in the news where there was a press conference happen the same day as the cfp announcing that there was movement towards twelve team. Playoff at that. News comes and goes. The ugliness of the michigan scandal is not going away Does what what is jim. Harbaugh's answer's going to be to this when he is going to be asked about it and he is gonna be asked about it. I think he's going to be asked about it more than one. Time as you said big ten media days announced that it's gonna be In indianapolis like a month from now a little more than a month from now that is gonna come up. I mean bo- shambo goes not just any other former coach and his relationship with jim. Harbaugh is not just i made. It is much different and so You know does what. Jim harbaugh say. It's from the heart. Does that ended up. Inflaming the situation further in causing even more You know even more headlines. Even more attention because jim brandstatter who at least people in the big ten probably know of his a longtime voice of michigan football. He gave some comments. I think they were to the detroit. Free press earlier in the week. That certainly you know Inflamed a lot of people in terms of You know let question timeline of of shock. Sign as one as one of many of the accusers. And so how does jim harbaugh handle this publicly. It's it's going to be something to keep an eye on its i. I don't know how he'll handle it. But it's gonna it's gonna it's going to be a lot different than it's going to have a lot different impact than the radio voice saying something pretty much. Anybody else connected to michigan football. It's almost a situation where the current michigan football coach was when rich rodriguez was michigan football. Coach i give somebody from the outside. Who has no previous ties to that era Dower probably be a little bit less messy than a guy who played for beauchamp sham boeckler models his whole program after bo sham boeckler basically moved into the neighborhood that bo used to live in to try to kind of almost like get that same. Feel of what it's like. Bose existence was to coach. The the michigan wolverines. I mean it's really like It's a very unique dynamic. That i don't think there's quite anything like it in college. Football right now. And you've got unfortunately sadly tragically and hundreds of of Victims out there from this doctor and you know they weren't certainly weren't all michigan football players by any means but they now know or they've now heard from several of beauchamp bekker's players just his son who the family has come out and disputed you know. Non family member michigan football players. Who said they told beauchamp boeckler about this and we're disregarded You're gonna have a whole lot of people out there that if the face of michigan football tries to defend this guy or certainly worse than that tries to you know like like some other. People don't question the credibility of the people bringing these four that. That's not going to go well so i don't I don't pretend to know how that's gonna play out But you know to me that to me that's more. I guess you can take down the statue and you can rename the football building. Those things to me are symbolic. It's how does michigan football deal with this. This you know drastic Trap this this tragedy and how it's impacted the legacy of the guy who is the base of Was the michigan football for so long. You know penn state in many ways is still dealing with that or has been for a long time in terms of you know they brought in james franklin who has no Connection to that era and who has for years had to deal with the fact that they're still a fraction of that fan base. I don't know how big it is. That still reveres. Joe paterno and you know Resents that he does things differently than joe paternity to cetera et cetera. So this is going to impact michigan football. I think for a long time all right. Well we've run out of time for this week. We will open the mail bag next week. I'm sure you guys have a lot of questions about the playoff. Our encourage you to go on the athletic where we've written eight gazillion articles about the playoff including a qa nicole. Our back and i did with the subscribers and answered a lot of those questions. But we'll see next time.

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1133: Systemology

The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes

44:57 min | 6 months ago

1133: Systemology

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All right today's guest loves to talk about one of my favorite topics and that is systematisation. David jenin's is the author of system aji and in two thousand sixteen. David successfully systemized himself out of his business. One of australia's most trusted digital agencies melbourne. Seo services dot com through this process he became a systems. Dot founding systems hub and system all Today his mission is to free all business owners worldwide from the daily operations of running their business. Welcome to the podcast david. Yeah fantastic thing for having me on the show looking forward to it. Yes i'm intrigued by your history and how you are able to system is your way out of a job. That sounds awesome. So if you could start by giving us a little bit of background on on On your past business and what. You're doing yeah so like a little sign is from different businesses and a lot of different positions out of the year. The one that i got stuck in all the longest and really kinda gave me to be inside on how to build a defense that works at me with digital agency by t as you said melvin strategy or built-up. Nobody feel over the course of about ten years when i was heavily working in the goose we had of about the team that were around me but it at that time i very much one make everything was going through a odd trained prospect and client to want to talk to me. Ask me questions when they had questions team members when they had challenges come to me everything would come through me and both into a fanned out. We were pregnant. Answer child that i saw. I don't wanna be that dad who's always to the unique. Those working really long hours in the wake early morning we can. I just go off to sing. other business. Artist and digital agency honors that were able to build businesses. That which would happen. But for some reason i had all the baggage. I used to think that that because creepy system is because things change like google updating algorithm belief system but quickly get out of date eating got systems and processes in place. My team wouldn't really follow them. And i thought i'd have to. Create hundreds of systems complicating. The for is sorry about that. It just kind of froze me and trapped me until i had that turning point and then the short version of what happened after that could rock one data figure out how to teach them is how to create processes and how to step out of the operations. Then i ended up bringing on a lady who became really worked well together. I was more than later. She became the manager and she really helped me. System is the operation to the point about a nine to twelve month period. And then i thought down of those operations and and took a couple of us off then she a very much more of a leadership role heading. We've on a monthly basis than we reviewed the business but she would be running the day-to-day operations the net. That was really where i had to be. When i started my nick business. was kind of just looking back on weather. That's the problem. I mean business owners and so few of them end up soulsby that problem. Sure so. I'm curious how many people were working for your firm When you were considered when you consider your sock bottleneck now i would say As it was growing we will put it up to about the team on and then we had a handful a contract people doing odd jobs and things like that condo as well because i think prior to that like it was able to italy is that i think when you're probably around closer to about inclusive and saw it really felt like i spent most of my time just assigning work and double checking things team members were doing and i wasn't really doing a huge amount of productive work myself other than what phil wife just keeping everyone busy now but might be a little bit different in Maybe the dental practices of imagining the dentist Oftentimes you know. They're all the tools in their working with the client thought of that. They probably been trying to manage. People taupe practice and make sure all team members of doing the most clarity. I think with his aren't his way to get stuck in doing business. Free also have to manage the team as well feels like they're doing two or three jobs at any one time one hundred percent. You know that that's the thing about dental practices as you know. We're constantly wearing so many hats as down. Practice owners often refill. Like where the office manager. We are you know in charge of marketing. Were in charge of you know making sure that all the equipment is running correctly. Were ordering supplies. That is when we become the bottleneck in our business. And that's why we believe that organizational charts are so important and stuff like that but when you got on your ceo and you began to delegate certain tasks to her or him How long was it before you got good at delegating and not being that micromanager where you're constantly checking your work. All the time definitely is reached that point whereas into myself in my head speak miscount work without they encourage and when she first to the time when and she really strongly Manager because i worked with before we built up a great relationship so she was able to push back on. So i remember what the real quick time. Exactly my head. When i had this habit of she'd creating prison had a many team members. Workloads and i would go direct to the team and say hey. I need you to work on this particular time for you. Know what accreditation. Next week and i need you to do the slide dick and because of the top. I always felt like it was the most important gun. The business ida felt that way is well. And i did that once or twice. Melissa pulled me outside and she said when you do that you're kind of making it as your above the law and we're gonna pros. This is the way that i want you to do it. I wanted to go through the appropriate channels blow that so can manage the workload a dozen other down. I listened to the line for bantam waco to back into old habits and i ended up going direct to a team in the window. I saw that she did something that really was like a big blow to my ego. She'd probably thing to todd team on bulletin board which means the business and she has like manager. basically said to the team. Any time that. I've come to you with an urgent request and hasn't gone truly appropriate channel. I want you to ignore and tell him it was epic. She said i want you to tell him that he needs to go through. And submit it through assan management platform and get aside and at the time i was like you know by felt lodge. Have dead you undermined You know thursay conditioning is the business. Took it back and cut it. Just put my ego under wraps. And then i realized hang on. That's what i was doing to who. I was actually on the body. Halla as manager. And as you know to tell the team this is the way that we do things he out. So part of that challenge always lucky them. Someone who is strong and who understood had a message and we had a really good sort of relationship with with gonna push each other. And that's what really got the best result otherwise eighty but these realizes that if the business always depend upon them then they never really go to the way so the only way that someone can dip away at some point if actually give the responsibility to someone else and yes. That's hot of the business arda especially in all of your success successes come from. You're doing what you've done us build up practice does these poems and best something to be celebrated but if you want to grow beyond that point it really does need to grow the on year and you have to let go of that responsibility in it has to go to someone else That's a that's a great example. I don't know if i'd be able to to adhere to that quickly. You know. I am very kind of quickstart. I come up with ideas and march into the office. And i'll basically celebrated drop what they're doing. This is what we're focusing on. Now i could see the value in having the discipline to go through the proper channels and do things a certain way. But i do believe it probably takes a certain type of personality in order to to ever get used to that type of that type system. I'm somewhat like you know big picture. Inca visionary creative type so the idea of systems and processes it doesn't get made super excited hundred love riding j. tout the presidency but i feel in love with the results at the what a good system in prison bring to the business and melissa basically said. Hey you know. 'cause i've my executive assistant and she most of that when you're working with your executive did you work however you want you want to be often crazy and shooting things are email going lift and coming up with all these provide us. You want with your sister and works that way but when you want to interact with contain that's when we have a way of doing things and we need up between you and the tape so you still come up with all of you. Great idea. Because that's when i do my work before it gets through to the pain. It has to go through a process. Now i don't even mouth jumping into assad or assigning things right so i made it easy for myself. I taught my executive assistant how to do that. So i love the idea that executive assistant daddy executive assistant logged in in the appropriate way. So you have to kind of find the shortcuts. And you realize way your strom and way you'll wake and i i like i said i feel in love with what systems in prices bring auditing joy the documentation but now having seen to be that worked on this as one. Just don't they're not day. Like i was able to build up that digital agency to the point where i really operated a business where she would would run. The day to day i would get a quarterly profit distribution and it was like a business that i was like. Oh i'm never gonna own these business that was So those you've read the books victimology a spoil the ending for you have basically what happens at the end of. The book is On that melissa visas for the next three years and then she's by Israeli but just family state and she got a coal out of the book which she said. Look i'm gonna have to swallow back to the states and some family style She trained up the allow. You return returned like they can charge and she was running watts but when melissa came back she resides basically rick like you know she just dropped the ball and she look back to the site and i really many while. I'm in the state so we have to resign and always kind of left at that point an interesting place because Business i'd be patrol year. Melissa he'd been running debate it. I like what do i do. 'cause i thought i'd never don't let these good little cash. It'd be to me. i didn't really have to work. You know I was really took the business. Owner row They don't know well. Maybe this is the rock concerts. Tell it and i've i've found. Somebody bought it a couple of Zine and voted the tutoring and avoid one because of the financial performance and two because the people of kit crisis. Isn't it hasn't been woods with you for the pa for years. Knowing what gig. They gave me an auction. That i didn't know until it was already too late like guy. Patty and lowest ahead left I would have not been able to sell it or would have been pulled back into the So says systems that today was another reason. Why not isolated reduce stress and reduce errors and make a business more profitable but then it also gives you a in something bad or unexpected happens. Yes excellent excellent. so you know One of the books that that. I'm very fond of as the myth revisited by michael gerber and he talks a lot about systems in that book and he talks about the difference between delegation and abdication so delegation may meaning that you hand over specific tasks to people that can get them done. Maybe not one hundred percent as well as you could to some degree. Well enough good enough abdication being you just turned something over to somebody without having the proper training and on boarding and and you're just handing handing it over to them and they may or may not do it correctly. So how in your system of system deal avoid advocation versus delegation. Yes i'm marco martins being supporter symptomology michael. Actually the fall with the book house said i An interesting story of how. I came to know him. And it was watching plate conflict Chance huron within the digital age in the systemized that melissa was running the day-to-day operations. And i started doing the work on the mola g and system In the background was my little side project you know. I read the union. Traction built zell went the system. I'm always. I got really interesting with these audio systems when i been system is the business. And now my head was loaded with the No missio services website. And my first book that i wrote with the go cold authority content and i go and aim out completely out of the blue by a lady called bush. You and i didn't know. I need a second night into the website was mockery of companies and the email that she sent the was calming and the ad about what i call the phone number. Early voting in strategy and they're in Our west coast in in the us so agai- try and and I called her up You know you mentioned choline. And then she basically went on this Little journey to tell me that with michael de la in his image series cold beyond and He was just turned eighty and it was the cook that he wanted to sell publish the previous books he has published colony and this came on and to maintain the rod because he's getting toward the end of the quad Thinking about that legacy and He's gonna look after the work to it so he wanted to maintain that control. Now look you happen to completely out of the bushing. Ain't nothing what i was doing with. Technology offseason hub. And say. Oh my so what you think. The all claunch authority content. Can you do that. Michael and i said well. I started really books but you know bockel goodbye and it would be an add on. I volunteered to do the position and she did all just so you know pretty on going be full pod for at least three to four months. We'll have to devote yourself to the book okay. My my businesses cut him humming title. Lot of what. I've learned from michael and it would just be on honest so i worked on it Three month in the long story short The was really good at the first book march. That became an amazon chiller. Twenty four hours and then he wouldn't be state to say thank you and went through. And then he goes. The dreamy word is writing in how bad and waiter with a couple of fringe. A help to watching michael Amazing eating count hanging on the rocks overlooking the if we went today amazing The conference but he had these twinkie her tail Where he was running event. And i can better day and then The the lop day that comes up to me and she said look. We're supposed to have these mastermind Tomorrow it's in the presidential suite. We're gonna get tiny romans to combat and facilitate you. Then all about the future of being and markle's gets the wear all of these works go and is gonna look after Be on there. And she said but we still tighten up and then i just said Rookie extent funding old. The type the group And i i stopped my hand. I'm she said. Look i'll go. I'll take you up on that. and here. i am standing in his presidential suite with the. Who's who would be sitting on the catch. Updating from these flip shot and we talking it out what was going to do and this is You know the modern standing up for something. And i thought well hold on. I didn't even. I wasn't even a blitz on markle's right up and here i am standing in his presidential suite talking about the future direction the business and that's when i had that bug world wow business system and allows you to take opportunities because you never know when a big opportunity is gonna fall in your lap and most business owners who caught up in the day-to-day operation. Maybe because listening to these has the opportunity for the dental association of america to average to them. And say you know you watch to fly over to this conference in the doors and in most dental practice people would say hey. I can't really leave next week to. The patient moved up from nine to five for the next week. So i'm afraid. I'm not gonna be able to take that opportunity. Some people say the opportunity in down. Some people don't even see the opportunity because they started caught up in their business And systems enables you to Follow opportunities when my happen. Because you business functions without your. They're not now the the the ending for the markova story when we build a great friendship off the back of that and he started supporting symptomology right the phone to the book because what is the extension of the game. You you make the case for Why should i see the mind and we all know. Green business systems are important. Like there's no discussion me on. Everybody knows it's just guard lawn personal. I tried it. Didn't work or the biggest one is way to stop. So you're demolishing the answer to that which is way too i started. It goes through a seven six process. Now this is an incredibly long answer to a short question. Gave me some context because The the symptomology one you mentioned martin good or couldn't help mentioned story but the the other one is so seven step process and the stanton of the fide in the process is around integration and it all has to do with any. Get the ball from the team. You get them to get involved in what you're doing and really take artists she all. But there's a few pieces to it. You have to understand that. The ideas systematising at business. It's more than just a wanna dump scenario. What you're actually looking at doing is is changing the culture. You want the team to serve the systems you man to say. This is how we do here. You want them to be involved in the development of those those processes and you wanna make it easy then and everybody's different. Some people enjoy system something dirt bikes some people a data already decided some people The most business interests business conditions on. What's the benefit to then as the business are not and you know what i think i should do when i should be thinking about are the benefits and the team about so. You're introducing systems to attain. Want them to understand that these your job when you go away on holidays you know. If you're the receptionist is the dentist don't have to call you up and say oh. Did you put your notes about joe. Bloggs she's coming in this way you stay indoors or hey what is the follow up procedure for these the wadey that if the system and approach fit the team member can go away on holiday. Have a great holiday when they come back. They don't come back to sixteen things that hasn't been done because nobody can do them while they're laying on all ninety two attainment but more ambitious. You're like hey system sister-in-law's your role and then you can teach an assistant underneath. You likely get a junior in a junior dental work it and you can share with them. And then they take over some of the That free you up that makes you more valuable to the disney to work on higher quality so it helps you to move the organization so the short version to that very little question is You need to get into to buy in on the president. We need to stop to change the culture. Everybody's different and you name tonight. Show the dic- with a feeding to the teacher and what happened before them. What happened after the war that they're important in this. And i realize i probably just talked on talk say minutes. I'll take a brand and that anything that you want to see out from that. No i'm glad you went to the team with that. Because that's a big part of you know dental practice ownership and the bottom line is just like just like michael talks about in the ease meth. You know just because you are a skilled technician. You could be the best five star chef in the world. You could be the best mechanic in the world. You could be the best dentist in your community But that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to have a successful business. Because we've never been taught formally most of us how to run a successful business how to select the right people. How to system is a business how to train people in their roles so my next question was going to be about on boarding and training. So you know just like you said. We've all agreed that station. And a business is very very important in in order to remove yourself from the bottleneck and to liberate yourself from the business and to be able to walk away at some point and still retain the business as a cash flow generating mechanism. We're going to have to figure out how to system is but as far as onboard ios. Is there a trick to on boarding and training is that part of the systematization that you talk about. Yes so if it comes a little bit food down the lawn. The theory into the mola g is is identified what we call critical coins flood. And that is the lineages that was a dentist example but patient goes through. How do you grab the attention of the patient. How do you handle that incumbent inquiry. How do you post appointment. What do you do when they broke up. And get ready to say the dumpster and they're filling out the forms. What happens when they go. Wait a minute the doctor and they what happens when like. How will you the next appointment. You need a nap. That linear ginny and focused on getting that houston clear so the team knows. Because that's ultimately a core function of the business is getting patient getting them being solving problems. Delivering that cole. Productivity whether it's a feeling or crown check whatever that is and then getting them to come back getting very clear on that that that that number one into the mola g. e. we talk is because the prices around how to identify with the jews had to extract it out of bed grain outta then stole that knowledge in essential occasion had to get the team to buy. And then now we try to get to stage number secrecy. You're talking about which. I call scale. And that is one of all of the distance required to grow your practice that fall. Outside of the critical point was which includes recruitment and on boarding it includes financial systems and other hey chow systems management. So we instant number six when we think about It's the recruiting and it's also the on boarding rookie things to think about is one you made a for the way that you recruit and identify talent and get them to come into your business and it's it's critical because a good team nba can make an average system great but no matter how good you system is. If you have average team members you still gonna get an average result so one of the most important things you can do is get great team in this so you wanna have some incident. I mean if you're not in their way to stop it's something like breads nuts book talk grading and then he stumbled from jeffrey's in the study all around recruiting. Am i know. Michael had some great singles impresses around that too. So obviously looking into that Anybody the great stuff that i can add when it comes to the demonisation actually thinking about the recruitment and the old boarding and building systems thinking into your been your on boarding so when you run your all bad in the job at the bottom you might say oh very early on in the process kierra two or three systems that you will be completed as part of your role so right up front shit linked to the system of the project because right up front. You'll broadcasting to everybody that we are systems driven company races. You know we have a way of doing things. And he is what it looks like so. That's one little tweak. You can make and couple of tweaks When it comes to on boarding you also want to talk about. She's thinking talk about the fact that you go. I've doing things shaved some systems and processes and let them know that it's part of their responsibility to improve the system to catch and create. What it is that they doing as part of a system in a person and share with the met critical quad slows. That i talked about that number one. I understand that the business is one big system and they must components within that and then they understand which pieces being responsible ball to make sure that the overall system leaving the result and you know makes for healthy business a few little tweaks they can go very long wi will pre frayed and setting up the success. Because most of the that you'll have what introducing systems come up front what you're team. 'cause they're they're stuck in the way that they're doing not all the way out of this way. Why do we need to change. But they don't want that you'll have the budget challenge with new team but if you get it rai and for day one you say this is we. It's not resisted. Because that's all i've ever known so important to get on rise. Yeah i like that little subtle thing that you talked about As far as during the on boarding process during the training process part of their responsibility is improvement of the system so these systems are fluid and they have the ability to put their stamp on these systems to make them better to help the organization run smoother with their input. I think that's really really important. I think a big a big point of contention of a big pushback with team members is often. I don't want to be a bunch of or i don't wanna be a robot. A cog in the wheel. I wanted to input as far as how the operation is run. And i think that leads to especially with this. New generation that leads to a lot more fulfillment in the workplace. I really wanna stay to that because that is one of the biggest pushback that you get from the team with. I feel like it'll suck the creativity out of business. Ill name it. Everybody's robot and who really wants to be and eight players don't wanna be robot so and a lot of the Comes from the misconception. That acl has these are and donald is at fault here because when everybody thinks of the most business i think of mcdonald's. Mcdonald's has the system for everything and advanced painstaking detail on how to take out the trash harrison. The live song had a wall on the grill. Like because what they're are doing is they're taking a fifteen year old keyed off the street. Who doesn't know anything. I want to make him courtesy handbook and they wanted to do inside a week so they have to have the process of three that level because they read the untrained talents. Now i do business differently. I'm not building a handbook appeasement. And i love cruising great team than and i want them to think so you dark need over engineered systems if you getting great team but because if you you the engineer the tuba and your roth and damage too much detail. What happened is the team. The goes up. This system is written for daily. Another dummy i shouldn't be working here so you need a balance the twain way you respect the fact that you've got intelligent members and you wanted to think so you need to give them enough of a framework that they do what they need to do but you gotta system that they'd left click on file click on a right click on the client may but that's just it's insulting join intelligent team member. Yeah and in macdonalds defense. They're typically hiring. You know fifteen to seventeen year old teenagers. Who who are working in the job force for the very first time. So that's why it works for their model but you know when you get to a point where you're where you're wanting to expand beyond a fifteen to seventeen year old workforce and you're getting into more skilled employees. I can definitely see how that could be problematic if you over engineering you over. System is and you're overly rigid with what you put in front of them yet. And that's a real problem artists. They get overwhelmed. Tweaks compatible system is my business. Because i sit there and i think it's the mind avery little faster and really the best way to do it at the eighty twenty one of the twenty percent of the systems that deliver eighty percent of the result in your practice. Just system is though is because even if you don't systemized something it doesn't mean that it's going to magically stuff happening in u business businesses still working so you just want to talk to my most important critical views and stop as i guess yes. That's a great point. That's a great point. And i think that's a really nice logical place to stop here david. If you wouldn't mind can you give everybody out there your contact information and a good place to reach out to you for sure book. The book is to create time reduce errors and garo profit with proven feel like extension of the and michael rose afford intends to agree. And that's the best place to get started kind of explain my philosophy and they give you a framework so if you hit them dot com forward slash book or just go to amazon and talking to the moldy. There's the the audio version as well. You can get the soft cover of kindle but seemed to think we're listening to the audio people and markle raising four and there's a little cameos from his wife as well for the the audiobook version. Good that's great. That's great is is the audio version on audible or only through your website on audible that he hid amazon and then Or go to dot com slash links back to amazon anyway Well this is a great interview. This is right up my alley. And i know that a lot of people listening to this. They're going to get a lot of value out of the The points that you discussed today and are going to get a lot of value out of your book. So i really thank you so much david for being here today for the unity and Tokyo aride ladies and gentlemen david. Jenin's this episode is being brought to you by the front office academy imagine never again having to overpay for an average applicant just because they have a basic knowledge of dentistry and a rudimentary skill. Set the goal of the front office academy is to significantly increase the knowledge and performance of your existing team and make possible for practice owners to take a brand new team member with zero dental background and train them to become a highly skilled dental administrator or assistant. 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"Watch coach prime in all access. Look at one of the greatest players and icons in. Nfl history during his first season as a college football head coach in the six episode documentary series we follow dion sanders mission of leveling the playing field between hughes and power five programs. It's prime like you've never seen prime before. Only that barstool sports presented by chevy silverado. Our bank today is thursday. It is september second. Welcome to the dog walk. Present barstool sports. We got another free swim here for you and we got an extra guests here for. We've got the man of my love if you're watching youtube. His name is dave. How do you feel about him calling. You guessed you're sitting in your chair fucked up. Yeah you knew. That was something that would get him going until he brought it all. I know that's why i'm here. Just knew i mean it is what it is. It is what it is. Are you happy to be here at least not particularly up. I invited you. I know. I mean i took that out of. I should probably do it out of necessity more than i wanted to do a favor. I yeah. I'm doing all us favor. So time zoe. Oh you yeah you do all you guys. Me guys ballsy. He ripped off his head. Yeah well can you explain why he was wearing tom. Brady tb twelve hat in my home. Dante hates tomatoes. Consider that now. He's avocado ice cream. Buy in that fully. But do you hate tomatoes. Dave not fucking tomato really. Yeah i like tomatoes i know. Are we talking about the actual fruit like the food. You talked about a metaphorical. Is this an analogy of technically. She had some tomatoes honor. Technically i've heard that before you saw the wonder years. I remember the big fat tits. I know you enjoy that version of and she would like be peeping tom out his window. Who would What's his name. Arnold nano paul. The kid never kid. Paul evan arnold kevin i forget i watched like thirty years ago fucking. I don't all. The neighbor was gardening. I member and she'd be like bending over and the irony was was. She had these big ass like beefsteak tomatoes at you hold. She also had big as beefsteak tomatoes on her chest. I don't remember that episode. I it's all the episodes. No but kevin was far from a perv. He was like around. I i'm problem hall. Made her or even the older brother. Brothers wayne wayne wayne was a fucking played was a piece of shit stink. Might be thinking of the wrong show. What was again not wouldn't be surprised if he were dave kevin arnold open up the jets jacket. Yep were yeah. Yeah yeah yeah right. Show on that The voice overs. We're not like daniel stern did. You did not know that from home. Loan wow. i knew that. I never knew that why what happened to him. He needs to be in more things. He's the best. Let's do an investigation. But should we pivot only typecast as marvin did. He was fucking hot ice. He was yeah he did City slickers two did celtic pride. Yup city slickers a great movie. He was good. Celtic pride was a tough one. You don't like that one. What was again daniel stern. You'll stern hasn't done much. Twenty twelve looks. I mean he did something to twenty eight thousand two hundred nineteen but doesn't look like a ton doesn't look like he's he's one of those guys. I would just like to walk into some random dive juice. I like that. He get so much on home alone residuals every year that he doesn't have to work and he just like chilin. I've told the story a million times over. My buddy from college was gunther in a dennis. The menace and he would a couple of hundred bucks a month in residuals because using the movie for thirty seconds and then he was in miracle on thirty four th street as well wait a couple of hundred bucks a month yeah He deserves more than that. That's a terrifying. See that's like a huge fucking gift in now. Is the apple young now. Do you remember that. I'm talking about no. That movie was very dark. it was really dark. It was not christopher lloyd. mike user student. What he was scared. Michael richards fucked up character. Who was michael rose. The homeless guy. Who knows was christopher lloyd. Michael richards kramer. I know that he was in an wrong super. Lloyd green lake field in and back to the future you got. Yeah yeah you're right. You're right michael rich. He's in in problem child. You're right you're right you no daily he the felon and then moving. Get those confused. I'm blanking the only time i ever. This was like five six years ago. I went out with a buddy from my old job. Who's the super fucking fat dude and jackass. Why am i blanking on pressingly. Presently see is. I ran into him at a bar. Super nice guy roux. He's all he's doing appearances and ship. Not he's just in there. Drinking with the buddy knows. I said hi to woman. He was super day. Look this if they see someone he can't help himself he just said he just said he told the story for the million and one time today. You dave can't help himself. I mean that was a relevant store right okay. I just didn't like bedroom like hey personally. Like clack clock lord lord no. I didn't didn't. I didn't i didn't i I let him be. I didn't. I didn't even ask for a picture. I'm like hey leg love jackass series. Which i do another one's coming out to right yes no bam bam bam. Yeah these suing them. Zam does not seem like he's doing too well is a goddamn shame. Shame stevo on. The other hand flipped his life around from everything. I understand steve. I was like blown up again. Now whether it's podcast stand up and stuff have you ever seen. He's like very very very educated. And smart union. Yeah you'd never think. So i mean just because you do dumb shit and while that's going to give you a stigmas right yeah correct. We do dumb shit all the time. Yeah we can relate to that. I remember i feel later on fairly. He did like an ask me anything on twitter. This is also a few years ago. Stevo did in Someone asking why who who actually types you on twitter because he's got very good grammar and punctuation you know set right. He's like no he does. My mom always made sure. Like i had insanely good grammar when i was writing. Shit like that speaking of which mardi bush's blog after the ball. He's a youtube third and read it. It was one sentence in one. Thousand words wasn't that it was life. Did he do that ironically. I thought he was drunk and wrote it. I thought he did the dictate to end. Just had that pasted. No i just think he just started writing and he just didn't even use stream of conscious. Exactly hit the delete button. Once you know he just keep going out was marty. That was real. Yeah speaking of which we are going to get into a little bit of a dock. Talk today But i also have another announcement. I have a documentary coming out next week. Who is it finally time. You see what it's about wait leave it there. Yeah dot com out by this. Yeah i don't know about this. Are we going to review it. We could if you guys want we have to. We should do one without you know not explain explain so i been working on a documentary time though mardi and oh yea couple couple producers barstool and that's been over a year i we've been working on this thing for over and don't get me wrong we've taken breaks and stuff but you know did interviews in saint louis connecticut We were kind of all over the place. Doing it wait. Is this martin mars thing. Yeah yes dude i remember. You did that like two years ago. And i have been wondering what the fuck happened to it. It's taken that long to just come together. I feel like we saw a cut of the old office did yes. How much different is what. We're going to see the final product from that. Now talk different at all. It's very close to the same thing. We were debating throwing more interviews in there. We were debating but these people have been hard to find correct. Yeah and also like something of that magnitude. It's kind of you know kind of bar so you kind of got to make sure everything's ready to go a little bit so it sounds like it's finally cleared because we want to make sure it got off before football season so pomp. Yeah probably sometime next week. It's going to be out so when we review this documentary. Are we supposed to promote to the people every day. We like it even if we thinking oh crashing. I want what we're going to do it is. It's pretty good though. Everybody's going to scoot down one chair. Meaning ed gets pushed up and then we are all going to review it the three of together and no. Yes you fucking a war. i've seen. Yeah and it's pretty good. Yeah i enjoyed it. But i also love that story. Yeah it's a it's a great story. I mean the guy trash. Talk them in the car to recover flag minutes. I have this image burned into my head of this monkey seat. Belted to like a dodge fucking caravans give anything and then all of a sudden has got flicks. Don't giving away. I don't want any your stories already out there. I know but. I want to go into this. I wanna go fresh. Yes so yeah that side to documentary on track all my god nominee. I think people rate it ended up taking a lot of times. We got a very exclusive interview that go way we should have gotten this guy saw. Can you we actually got the cop killed. Yeah that's what i thought. Okay i was just going to be great. I'm excited to watch. This guy turned on netflix. Yeah this guy turned down like he turned out so many things. That just lucky is kid. How long is this. It's like a half hour. We're definitely reviewing this grain is going to be nobody can. Can we agree that. Sure if you guys want okay. You don't have an actual release date. It's it's it's gonna be. It sounds like it's going to be next week. Most likely tuesday or wednesday. Just because like i said we wanted to get it off before football and mondays labor day so i would assume tuesday or wednesday but stay posted. We'll be promoting the shit out of it on twitter and such can't nother promotion of mine. Can we talk about. How rediscovering america's coming out next week barrier with that is that come on It's going to be either the second or the third. When is this This airs in the second coming out. There we go why I heard it is a masterpiece. I have seen a couple of social clips myself and being in the situations that myself. Nick trainy Danny and it's doozy. It was a mix i really. It's those guys crack me. Yeah it was laugh. It's going to be up point. Not because of me. Walk every michigan. Yeah we just random places in detroit. Awesome so go. Check that out All right before we really get into it today. They'll folks we do want to talk about the beef kit. I don't know i stumbled there If you're watching this on youtube you see these lovely things on our desk and tis. The season is really the season. It's always been the season But you know it's kinda goes from like graduation beef to poppies. It's always been the season but this is the season. Yeah this is fair to say. Yeah this is this to me. When you loading up on the beefs yup tastes world. Chicago dot com. You get your kit from there or you could stop at one of those five home depot locations niles. There's the cormack in lincoln. I believe so. Go go check that out. If you wanna go get it or you get at the store when know one west. Randolph and in edison motives grudge renault on the northwest. Yes i'm doing it on the low. What's your address I'm gonna guess about fifty three forty two senlis taiwa city hall edison par. You almost got. I wanted to give a fake address. But i didn't think famous one quick in ten sixty westinghouse elected someday to be the alderman. I feel like you probably could i. Were you know they used to let you do two jobs. They used to let you do that. I would have done that for sure. Yeah easily you still could my mouth stop you though. I don't think so my alderman. When i lived in wicker park. I think he's in jail now who you're a printing company moonlighted as like seals. You pretty sure all hell absurd. They they take care of themselves very well. i have. budget cuts can come from somewhere else. I'm talking. i'm talking with jim this week. But i have a pasta sauce recipe that i'm working on beautiful with this kid sunday. Sunday pundit gravy. It is spin tinker. Almost i know so. How'd you pork shoulder. Come out fucking awesome. This guy said he didn't think italian season would work with pork. Poor cat of row. You four cata. maybe it was. I'll make you on this fully reserved. The right to be in corrected. That statement i jerry correct so you take a coin right. Y'all can you. Jam close the garlic into it. And then you season it and you bake it for hours It's fucking comes out and you slice it ought delicious. I've done cork shoulders in the crock. Pot many a time with ec seasoning with red wine. And like you do all these different like. There's so many ways report. Dave how this came out awesome. Did it awesome amazing. You're you're a jerk. Cook man the shoulder you did for us for Bears kickoff last season was offered a sucked thinking excellent. I've made. I've made better ones in that before. The tv he was he was until i was on the tv putting any work and didn't account for the glare was about a lot of haters a lot of the haters. The hairs are fine. I'm fine with it but you gotta relationship with the haters. Yeah suppose killing us for like twenty of us. The one guy subject nine the angle who that was scott brother-in-law hitting a corner three think the backboard sticks out. Go round these pages. Tanaka vich tastes chicago. dot com. Going to be kit all so the dock. We will watch this week or watch previously. I guess i feel many people have seen it. At this point it's called untold malice at the palace the detroit pistons indiana pacers fight. That happened in two thousand four Initial thoughts is anything. Jump off for anybody then. Everyone everybody like put it that way. Yes yes it was excellent. I thought the best part about it was and if you haven't if you're watching or listening to this or now and you haven't seen it yet. You already know story obviously. But it's only like an hour long our our fifteen minutes our ten dollars. Tatsuo sweet spot. I mean it's it's bang. Bang was good and it was perfect completely like easy to watch. You don't have to take any time. Also i'll say this. I never thought i i don't i didn't remember at least that the pacers were awesome. I had forgotten that element of that story in that. Obviously losing jermaine o'neal and ron tests and these guys are like the bulk or in some cases duration the season ruin their year. And i never thought it was possible. But that doc made me feel bad for reggie miller. I've always liked reggie miller foil in life. I know but he took a swing at jordan. I know you know what i liked that it's a story line in your jordans like god in this town in in basketball but i like those guys. Yeah he's like they're kind of in a way cut from the same chloride right right. I thought it was okay. Not great oh. I thought i thought it was an easy watch. I enjoyed it but as far as like critically putting everything together felt got do saying that. Would you think lacking guy document. I saw this course as you know. Ed fan experience was vital. The who do they talk to. That knocked down shirt hispanic guy that got nakada dad. What a scumbag. That guy in the fucking guy who started all off bags hate that. And that's the thing. They showed. John green they could even give us the screen of like the prince of what that guys up to now. Unlike like what happened. What the case. They brought him up. They showed his horrible presser about how he's like. Oh yeah problems triple. I didn't put my leg out further. It's like all right do basle And they just like stop there. They didn't bring him back. So i feel like that's a valid kant from my point. Yep so did you guys. This is great stroll down memory lane for me because like i was watching this game. Live do you guys remember where you were when this happened. I remember being in my locker room for some reason so it was friday night. Yeah i mean you probably were. That's that's what i remember. I don't remember. I was watching it. Lie was at duffy's which was like the spot they had. They had guns n. Roses cover band. Who was fucking awesome. And duffy's was slammed packed. It was november. I i went to school. I mean you know keith. And paul and all my friends from college day are die. Hard detroit fans so pistons were like in the eastern conference finals every year that year. So everybody was pistons fans from michigan. So everyone's watching the game. Listen to guns and roses. Drinking like dollar miller lights or something. They're everyone's tuned up and then all of a sudden like hell breaks loose in this game and it was like the most surreal fucking thing watching it like out of body experience. Almost like you didn't know if what you were seeing was actually like real life happening. It was fucking crazy crazy. I still remember. I have a remember experience. You know it was one of the things where were you. Yep and that's crazy. There's not many things are for sports. I remember i had basketball practice the next day. It was like saturday morning. Nine fifteen and i remember going in. How was your you leak that shit. Sophomore year. Every fucking. Stephen jackson knock like we all thought it was like the coolest thing look pretty rough like pretty dumb pretty ever remember that i was at prep school and like this is back in the days. Internet was what's your fucking face day No but like we didn't have tv's in the dorms like the dorms are old and shitty. We had one communal room and then same thing. We had a football game on saturday. So we all got up and like some people were like talking about on the boss the way of the game and everyone's like oh fight in an nba game. Like all like hold me back. Everyone is like the way it was described to us was like where i'm sure it was just like a pussy fate. Like we've seen one hundred times and then we got home from the game. And i remember like every the whole dorm was like in arlit communal room just watching sports on repeat and then you saw it holy thought this was like dropping. It was in georgia. It would have been more like accurate to describe it as a riot as opposed to fight the like the people coming on the state. Coming out of the stands jermaine o'neal and that were the comment that reggie miller made where it was the best miss of jermaine o'neal or is it was a sad jackson and jemaine o.'neil were. They came flying in west germany. Yeah if he had connected that guy's dead like he's snapped his neck or jaw brielle legit. Thank you would kill. It was the best. I don't know if you would have killed boy. He would've he would've fucking incapacity you take a guy who a professional athlete against that guy who's seven feet tall coming in with all the fours all the adrenaline all these and he hit square. You absolutely can. I give you another thing that i think deserves a valid con. What happened the pacers at your guys. Remember or what not. I don't remember when the tight what was in that year. There was spurs nets spurs against detroit. Okay he tried to pacers in the playoffs. Like no mention. Yeah come on they matt up again in like you're just not gonna say anything but it wasn't a fight between the pacers in the i mean it was but it was more fans verse pacers than but still they were good teams in the east but it felt like all the teeth taken out of it by the league right. Yeah like like are tested and play in that playoff series. No the other did. Yeah but like no mention of not definitely. Should've yeah rounded that take place that was in the second round so the so. The pacers actually wanna series the pacers series against boston and seven. Okay and then. Detroit beat them for two two. And he tried loss to title to the spurs in game seven so relevant. Yeah very relevant would say yeah definitely one thing. The doc did a great job of for me was framing the characters as like human people or human beings before it got into the whole melee and all that shit it showed signs sides of these guys that honestly i mean i'm not a huge mba guy but jermaine o'neal he came to. Boston seemed like a really good guide. After this whole debacle in detroit. I think he managed to clean up his image a lot. Better than like. Stephen jackson did and detrimental team off awesomeness super intelligent super wall slow and but honest like he was very honest like he. He wasn't he's changes image. So much that i. I was surprised when some of his teammates were like. Yeah he in. Our tests are cut from the same cloth that was like i never did. I never thought that at all. But then when they did kind of because i think they just whitewashed his whole image when he came back from that and he went to different teams Had become this guy but then they showed the clips of him like having other altercations on the floor and like body guys like he was like us like a bad dude. It almost in like what i would say in a good way like was like you want a little bit of that on your team especially from a big. And he he but he had like some grit and some sandpaper to him. It's like fuck with that guy that those probably on the court though is what they're talking about yeah. I don't i thought that was maybe structural. I never thought in between. I thought your nelson caught up in that thing like i. Never you know steven jack. I thought there was a big difference. See obviously crazy. Level stephen jackson's behind him. I didn't think o.'neil ever in that fifteen guys on the team. Yeah and three of them. Were who is the other austin. Crozier was out there. What you want him fucking point is that you know it wasn't like this is a malay with everybody. Just offer survival. It was like who got involved the three corrects. I did find maybe the most interesting tidbit to be the tinsley. Jamaal tinsley right. Yes so If he doesn't say. I mean it. Probably his fucking fault right entire thing might be as far. Obviously the astle has was he that season two. He has an old. It was very interesting. Sling vow hearts like that. And how the reggie miller is like we were blown out. Fans in the good seats left the shit bags came down and bowl that party that though but that played a part in this and that was all news todor fly fact man everything to mall tinsley but that is a good point. Everybody after jamaal tinsley dude. Why the fuck would you say that. You don't need to give him an ounce of extra motivation to go and thousand buddy heart cells it. That's given like the troublemaker in school. Hey you want some firecrackers in my locker. You're asking for trouble right. That's that's another thing though with talking about like how they played again in the in the rivalry. I think that it probably would have been like a blood feud just because our tests laid on the table like that like all the skirmish going on he just kinda like mentally checks out and goes and lays on the table to me. That was just like all that. If i were on the pistons and ics guy who caused the whole thing just laying cash. I would have been like one takes head off. Oh dude like he that guy rightful city. That's yes some. You know coming off. They were they were. I mean they were right. Troy pistons have a swagger to them. Watch those teams. Add your fuck. Yeah so people forget that year before when they won the championship. The beat the brakes off the lakers. That should have been la. The one game. They won that series one on a bullshit foul hall on kobe. They escaped again. But the pistons should have swept the lakers out of the fucking day just to mean for them. They were so good and they went to six straight eastern conference finals. They was like death tax on pistons in the final and six years. They were the worst wash. They under eighty point series against the nets. You we might have had a game that was like seventy one to sixty five. Yeah you broke. Eighty against those pistons. Seems i was like an accomplishment. The score to that stern though the game they lost before to go to. The finals was like sixty nine. Sixty four exact crazy and then you got good mouthpieces. Give them more apart. And when i saw tim donigi all he was at a fish. I feel like he a couple of soundbites at the top of the never saw. What a fucking scumbag. That guy is when he goes. Oh you got our tests. Jackson and o'neal of course you're going to. It's a recipe for disaster. Like he some fucking moral right. Fuck your fucking tim. Donning such ships. And then i did agree with the narrative. Though that jermaine o'neal was the biggest loser. Because obviously ron are fast. One title later. Stephen jackson still went on for a long career and that was germain o'neill's best chance. And reggie and you know who give you my third one donnie walsh. Yeah he was like an all time. Great exac do. It's not easy to assemble a team. You trade you make that trade you trade jalen rose you make that other trade you get stephen he like. You took a risk there. They were it but to retool and go young like that but he built a powder keg and he He he had not been very surprised. He knew that that like he was walk. Confined line like this could be like. We could win a championship or multiple championships. Or this could be the mouse at the. I mean that was a good roster crate bulky man and it was kind of like if you look at it. It's like of course they're the team who can give the peasants trouble geserum like the only ones that are like mean enough competitive enough defensive oriented enough. That could really go with them. Like they had tashaun. Pacers had our test and like they had been wallace and that you know the band. Brad miller exact definitely who is a bad as to fought shack. Remember that wall. That is the best that could have almost killed him. Yes drown. you'll thing though. Brad miller is also seven feet and a professional athlete professional athlete. I mean he was not really looking. Yeah i don't know the other guy wasn't looking either us down on his knees departments of his career. Yeah we we have to have to have to talk about the cup. One in a million shot. actually hit him square in the chest. Yeah like he was aiming for that. That was exactly what he hit and he fucking hit is ever hit a bullseye as much of a bullseyes. Al isn't that one of those things that just makes you think like something was destined to happen like fate. Yeah that crazy right in something like that happen. You give him that cup and say do that again. He's not hitting that well centripetal force. Yeah i mean and it's it's not one sport out of the major four that this can happen because you're right on top that yeah horton your i like. I know milton bradley. When added with a fan and you know right field close when you go to the foul lines. But you can't. This can't happen in hockey or football. It has happened in hockey with the bruins. Louis ended up I can't remember who they're playing but it. It was like milk dairy terry o'reilly to what they had to climb over the shit out of the fan. I wanna say maybe tied domi did it to whereas name thing where he noted psychopath right always nice. Yes so i'm gonna say something might be controversial. I have no your album with fans doing this or with the players. Doing this to fans i i was. I was re watching this. I had zero sympathy for the fans. What about our test. Don't honestly if you're that big of a piece of shit of as a fan. I think you deserve to get the app switch. No this is like somebody's like someone threw a bb gun at me and i retire. Retaliate with a nuclear bomb. Like that to me. It's like it's not the same apples at the same time though canoe yourself. It's not that hard. Don't throw shit at the players for sure. Like that guy's an asshole. He should have a lifetime ban. I don't know that going into the crowd in beating the shit out of somebody is an appropriate reaction. They having a little bit. If if that happens to you in a bar. If that happens to the street you're beating. The shit is somebody who does it. There's just there's a weird disconnect between people that feel. I bought a ticket. I can say whatever the fuck i want to these people with these people. They think they have the right to act in. Speak to other human beings just because they paid to walk into a place. That doesn't give you any right whatsoever. And the fact that players are basically handcuffed they can acknowledge they can't say anything back or you know it ends up on social media or your fine. Yeah it's it's a lose lose situation layers the these people that go and hackel. These people are just bags of shit. If you throw something on the field or you take if you take a game that seriously usurps. Get your ass kicked. I'll say that i see i'm with. I'm okay with stephen jackson jermaine o'neal going in because then it's like i have to like then. It was like a crowd like i. We have to either help. Get our tests out of there. We have to like. That's our guy he could get mobbed by like twenty people and get seriously injured. I'm fine mogollon. Like being the second and third guy in that situation are test like that was an absurd over reaction to getting a little bit wet. I mean he's a lunatic in. I was honestly at watching him on his couch talk. He's not all there on on on. It sounded like a child in some parts talking and reasoning and obviously mental health is a much more public thing today than it was back then and especially in sports. I just feel like he got did such a disservice back then when it was like you know. Mental health was still a stigma. I think he was around today. H- you'd be a much better place. He'd be oh yeah medicated. He would have much more support. And i don't think that situation happens today but the thing is as well. It was the perfect storm to of course. Maybe he's the only one that would later. How mike that but in the last two decades. He's a top ten like craziest player in any sport. Out quest. right. I'm trying to think who else will be in that. Category like milton bradley milton bradley antonio brown. Yes yes i don't know like. I can't see milton bradley or antonio brown doing what all are tested. I- carl everett like like those guys. He hates that. You can't see milton. Bradley some thrown at and you remember when he towards acl screaming at the hump. Who's frank francisco. Hit some with a fucking chair in the bullpen in texas. Do remember that yep Gate there while he decided kill people he. He's actually now know. I think people on fire. I don't know already sure like. He attacked his landscaper documentary on that. But the thing is in. That's that's what i want to get you here because we talked so much but we like we have to talk about run tests guy. He deserves his own doc. He's the most fascinating guy. Maybe that is not realized is not enough. Time hasn't passed for us to really talk about the lore. The cornerback from the bulls that he would walk to the liquor store and hennessy at halftime to bike. And that's sad man like what i say crazy. I don't mean like crazy like a lunatic. Deserve a little bit. I mean just the fact concentric wall like this guy like rodman. Well the difference is that rodman seem like he was like softspoken. And i don't think you'd try fuck but those things where he was like the camera guy not. Yeah and the whole thing. We're from the last dance robbins. Like yeah i gotta go out to go out to like a wrestling thing vacation. Go to vegas for a few days. I'm just stressed out from playing basketball. Like our tests had very similar to that in the stock. he's like. Hey i gotta you know. I'm promoting my my my album. He's like have he's like. I have other interests. I want to do it. I don't want to be known as just a basketball player. So it's like to me like there are a lot of parallels there the differences he was he. He had a big role. I guess on one of those laker teams with kobe. Where they want it But he wasn't like he wasn't like the third wheel on that team. Like you know like it was colby. And then kobe's guys where rodman who was like he was like the third face of he writes Pretty sure he was a little more up there than that with with those teams with those laker. I remember him having a big role but it was. It was clearly like kobe's the alpha. Papa saul i think they had buying among one of those teams to like and then maybe they had another wing two thousand three thousand three beat boston twice in los. Okay yeah so the in right in our tests are tests. Was i would say robin had had a bigger role on the bulls teams that are tested on those. They beat boston. Wants in las once. It was two or three. Sorry they beat the magic another time. Yes yeah there is also footage in this. That was never shown. Never saw the light of day like the guy throwing a chair. Yeah that until this. I remember that. I remember that the also out. I just remember. Remember that the other thing with the police though to three cops building and they had like zero interest in doing anything. Yeah why they were back under the like in the fucking supposed to do but are reggie miller who the fuck suit on your team trying to arrest germaine. O'neil in the locker room so not a good look for the police. No not at all. And then i mean people were calling nine one one people down here. The basketball game are fighting the fans now. We have been spinning the wheels on getting this guy on red line radio for a few weeks. Now chris chelios Are you aware that he was in the building watching the game with kid rock. I'm looking at wikipedia patriots. Let's only long gone by that now. They're not staying around all the scumbags from the upper down. You know coming down a lower bowl snow way to answer your question too. He was not that he was ever a big score but he was the fourth leading score on those championship teams. Okay so you're pretty directionally correct. Yeah thank you and And but he was leading. He was gardner basketball. Oh for sure. Yes his role wasn't so definitely. Yeah a huge huge piece. Yeah and obviously like the jordan gravitational pull is gonna shine more laid on those guys around of than maybe those lakers teams would have to but right but that's probably factor but yeah i that goes back to like we do need more on dennis rodman. Something tells me like his story. Just not done on rodman yes. Did you see that movie out. They're shooting a movie on his forty eight hours. He spent in vegas the play the championships. It's amazing. utah that yeah we. So did this dog walk with a kfc. I was in new. York was january or something. I don't know. I remember doing it for my hotel room but anyways it was places you'd like to be or was it exact topic Things you wish he expresses gotta be up there. I mean i don't wanna be on the court. Getting steven jackson death haymakers. Don't let me but how fucking awesome. You just have did you. Text chelios tied and actually do okay. But like i want. I would i would. That's a story you'd be telling the rest of your life would you have So you would have rather attended this over the person who ate the coronavirus bat. I would have to think about no need a bat. Dave was chemically engineered in hundred percent. Chemical weapon this. Deep dive was a chemical weapon but it was engineer. Hey i hate that my brain goes here watching this kinda shit because i know what you're going to hate social media but watching this thing i just kept thinking. Can you imagine if twitter was around back then when this when this happened. What would what would have happened on twitter during the spite and after subsequently all the hot takes. Do you know what i think i. I thought this is where you're going to go. And this is what we're my mind went to. When i was watching it is i would have been plenty of virtue signaling Afterwards because like the players got arrested a stern didn't like even get their side of the story from what the document we're gonna. We're gonna talk about. I think that there is definitely some racism. Volved all my god. Yeah absa fucking the branded these guys as such thugs. They had all the clips going to each and every sport station. These guys are thugs. It's like then you hear jermaine o'neal chocolate drain. O.'neil seems like a very Very good duke ryan tests obviously loose fucking cannon but like i was like holy fucking shit if that was happening in two thousand twenty four social media. They would like the nba would be almost done and that mba's like the v league of progressive values in everything you know. This is like reggie miller had to feel like his dog was misbehaving out in public. And you're died late shit plays and he shouldn't and you're just like you're you're totally powerless. But you also know like you ultimately are the only one who's going to be able to clean this whole thing up and it's like you're like fuck and like that like i can't tell you that was my poor reggie miller. He thinks he finally has a championship. Unlike like his last year is this like that was just. He was Just a terrible situation so and like he seemed like he was very ready to talk about all of this to like i almost. I almost forgotten that. He was even on that team because he wasn't in the lamp that night. It was unbelievable he. He got a game right suspension. I don't think so. And then he was in a suit and tie and then the cops. Were like trying to drag walrus-like motherfucker. I'm reggie miller. Yeah like. I will protect player. Whatever he said you know also another. I mean he maybe he must not have gone up to participate. But rick carlisle was. The coach is one of the biggest eddie. If you were there and you know the scene were were runner. Tests arms are up in assistant coaches like shielding his face and they're dumping beer and popcorn skills. That's i was one of those guys. That's what i'm talking about that. You're just a shitty fucking disgrace. Honor tests would have ripped through his coaches hands right there and went up and just fucking beat the shit out of one of those guys. He should not seen an ounce of of discipline in an legally or from the week. Do you would've injustice honestly goes back to fucking woodstock ninety nine. i think people just started going haywire. And it's like you have like a fucking weird instinct takeover who i know you guys and i don't think for a second one of you would go and dumps double earing your dave. Possibly no. i wouldn't know. I really enough. I'm not kidding. I would never in a million years. Consider doing that. If you're if you're in one off their you torrent party your popcorn on them. Absolutely not no abso fucking lutely not you. Would've i mean dude is like a dickhead. Kid in the chaos. I can't say i wouldn't. I like to think that i wouldn't have done that. I've done stupid shit of gone fucking egging and all the stupid shit you due mostly to yourself. Yeah sure it is true. I'm not trying to sound like. Oh yeah would have been right in the mix fuck and i wouldn't have been the mix but if you're yeah popcorn like you might have through something that's the thing where it's like also like you said you were eighth grade. Yeah okay so that means you're at the game with your dad. Yeah july bodies of my dad. Of course not right. There's my fucking buddies trying. Wendy start calling games alone not a coms games. Six fifth grade zero addison. Bus started going. I started taking the train. Downtown was like freshman then once could drive. Yeah yeah i think for the record. Another thing i should have given us. They went forty one and forty one the next year. Such tests are tested lost in the first round of the playoffs. Yeah jackson and o'neal or still there. That was the end. That was the end for the pace. Yeah they alluded to that. Obviously but still just like. Give me something where. I could give me the graphics at the end. That's that's a big part of my and they had the they had that one team with. Who was the the center from georgetown. They have our weenie behaviorally and they went to the conference but the pacers like they used to be for all of the nineties and then into the early two thousand fifteen year stretch where they were one of the premier. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah if feels like they never really recovered even as an organization from this moment i mean they definitely have recovered. Since i mean you could. You could argue obviously so bonus. And but i don't know but they're not they're not the pacers. I mean they used to have the nba on nbc. Like the pacers were on a lot. Yes s guys they were and they were like one of those teams that you had to watch and there are great nba. Champion to smith miller. Yes when i really liked the nba. We're back when the peyser like these years on their. I would watch all the time. But i'd be like a b minus c. Plus your critiques are fair. I i would just say like i. I'm more of on a binary grading skit Scale where it's like. Was i entertained. Yes then that's kind of like it for me so it's not like i watch docs to learn. I watched movies to be entertained. Who is that fair fair. Very i i think i do watch world. War color would sure fucking ten part series so long when his whole on last thing has anyone's legacy taken a bigger hit since they passed away and david stern so you think his legacy took a hit. I feel like the more and more. I don't know that his name comes up. It's associated with just terrible fucking moments. I would say that of all the people that have been a commissioner in my lifetime. He still ranked number one. I paul tagliabue all the concussion stuff next. Okay david stern. We'll talk about corrupts. He's the ultimate cleaner ultimate cleaner of what though evli seemed like a mapo exactly jordan gambling thing swept under the rug. The tim donaghy thing the most for him to call that an isolated incident and just buried on a he and move on and say we did our own internal. It was one row guy. There's nothing else to see. Here was the biggest crock. Shit on the fucking planet. Has there been more evidence coming out because he covered up because turned it his job as what i mean like he. He didn't put like he's a cleaner. The kobe rape cleaner this malice at the palace. The pistons are thugs. were i'm judge jury and executioner. They're all gone for the year. I don't fucking care. I don't need to hear anything else. i don't need any testimony. I don't need to see any other video. Solid i saw. This is at like he. I i think he was lucky that he was commissioner. At the time he was because if he was in silvers place today he's getting fucking crucified. Seattle like goodell may. Oh i don't think so. I don't think he also ran the league. From what eighty four until he did it for thirty something years there forever. I thought he was a perfect character. Though you know like the the rigging stuff the angel of stern yeah. I mean sure. Maybe as like that whole kind of thing cleaning stuff. Sure but as far as entertainment standpoint to be guy like ham. Chris paul to the lakers. No way down. I watch was like a perfect kind of villain like he's rob enjoy villain whereas roger goodell is like the villain by he brings like the cool like ville also was smart. Goodell's a fucking idiot. And i also think i also think adele's like an actual bad person. I don't think that about stern and i lied opposite. I think adults. I think the i think they both suck. I don't he doesn't strike me as a bad guy shirks. Just kind of like i think hoof. Oh i think he's terrible. At his job he lies about shit all the time. He's a terrible human being. Yeah stern. I stern warning. I remember he was announcing the first pick of whatever draft it was and he's getting ship out of man he was doing like vincent man like like. Come on give me all the poops target logged the character. The other thing about stirring that. I would give him credit for this kind of going off the rails as we're ending the show the nba was like fucking debt. When he took over. You know he take. You took over in the early. Maybe late seventies early eighties. Like games are on tape delay. And then he like boosted up like magic and bird and then jordan. He created like this. Nba that we that we know about where goodell was basically like just given this thing that was like a well oiled machine in the nfl. Anyone of us idiots could fuck not fuck it up right right and you're right. Yeah and i think stern he should get a lot of credit for building the nba. Into what it is today. And i think silverstone a great job too but But yeah it was. It was an entertaining dock. That i i don't know i really really enjoyed it. I heard there's another one in this series. There's actually six. I believe they two of them already out. One of them was about tennis. I believe another one was about caitlin jenner. So wait no someone blog today. What about one out was one about the thrashers. Whoever rashes aren't someone said that. It's like moss watch like hockey. I'm i'm guessing yet okay. Oh it's not. Maybe it's not and i think like six but they're releasing them. What makes for that one with the thrashers. Yeah what could. What did they do that. They were the they got atlanta. They got an expansion team and then they had they had bad teams and shitty owners and shitty general managers. They made one playoff series where they got swept and and they just then they had basically like a feud in the ownership where somebody was like. Well we're out. We're not putting any more money into this. So then they're like a stalemates. Elite came in was like. Are you guys just have to sell the team. Winnipeg had a stadium. They had ownership group sh three months. Who was devastated by that. Little john was big huge drafters number. One fan the head cool uniforms. You can hear all about it on our barstool backstage interview. There you go there you go I don't know the other ones so it was a boxing. Sorry love to watch them in real. Yeah this is fun. all right. good episode That's it guys. Thank you for listening back tomorrow. We'll see then if you're still listening. It sounds like wednesday at seven. Pm central travis. The chimpanzee donald premier see either.

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Leslie Jordan: From Dance Floor Drugs to Daily Gratitudes

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:06:27 hr | 2 months ago

Leslie Jordan: From Dance Floor Drugs to Daily Gratitudes

"You're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum. It's funny. I was just playing a song then us who's that it's d- barge like i was gonna know and he's like them now. I don't rarely do. I get them right. It's an eighties thing. man. I'm lost in the eighties. Lost any emotion to get that reference. To lost in most sean. Anyway lisa leeson the culture off the coast. Hopefully you're enjoying your week your week day weekend. And you're feeling good and you're doing stuff yourself man You know. I've been going through the surgery. It's like a week and a half now and Starting to feel a little bit better. Thank you for all the wishing wells kissing tells another song from the eighties. Or maybe it's ninety anyway. We've got a great podcast today. Just letting you know we're gonna get right to it but please subscribe if you're listening today for the leslie jordan And you like the podcast. Love feta subscribe unless another episode. You might just learn something. 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I hope you guys iraq and let's get into this episode. This is a guy who you know from will and grace he's also got millions and millions of followers is his following has just exploded. Hasn't ryan all of a sudden. He found a place on instagram. To he's got more followers. Anybody i now. I mean really. I mean. people just love watching his tick toxin his instagram. I wish i hope. I'm not vivacious. When i'm in my sixties. I don't i don't think i am now but He really tells it all he does. He's got a book out he's He's pretty magnificent. Tease just a a little ball of fun. A little ball of fun and Very likable likable guy. And i think you're going to really enjoy this in. He talks about everything. So why don't we just get into it. Let's get inside of leslie jordan. It's my pawn listening to you inside of you with michael rose by inside of you with michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in from the belive studio audience. You like recording in your bedroom. I notice leslie where the action Away that's not true. You have a love life don't you. I don't talk about it. It's a long long your fair. It's insane crazy in not allowed to talk about this. You think i could whisper it to you. But so you've had a hot claiming loving relationship for five years. That's been pretty intense that you can't talk about it's like a vanity fair article wedding. Anyone does the other person is he. Just he won't let you say anything. He doesn't want it out there. He's just very you would know his job and everything a very very high pressure job at stuff and it's more it's more about that all right. We really can't go there well. I'm glad that you're fulfilled. You seem like you're you know you've fulfilled. I guess failed. Gary everything you know. I lay in bed at night. And i can't. I wanna make a list. I'm perfectly happy with who. I am what i am. I have no worries none my family. You know the the the phone will ring in my identical twin sisters mothers. Got to go in the hospital and get you're going to. You're going to shock her heart. I said well it's not even really bad for saderat. This talk to or in nigeria. I go in and just shock it. Get it back on rhythm and it's not that big day deal not got to laugh as the shock maple years so you know. Eighty seven year. Old mother in good hail family hails dollars in the buying. You know it's just can you ask for but it's funny because we have a segment. We just started called. Well it's like your books called how y'all do but we have a segment called how you doing And it's a mental health check in and so you kind of answered that you feel like mentally mentally feel pretty damn good and i. I have not always been drug problems ahead. you know. Look back on my drug years and alcohol years started at fourteen was an easy. I remember the first thought when i got. Hi how easy it was to be gay how you know how how first of all i had never used drugs and an ad always been kinda awkward in and it was that i had this secret but it wasn't the kind of thing that i needed to worry about it i. I don't think people would have cared even back then when i ended up telling people in high school said listen. I've got a secret i'm gay. They're like yeah. And the sacred is your like a guy murderer remorse mortar secret and so it anyway when i when i find the Came to terms with that. It was like i am. I knew you know. I just didn't have any problems. It's weird you know. I fell out of the womb landed mothers high heels. And so i've always been you know constable with myself and that was this other little thing so anyway. How old are you. How old are you leslie. Sixty six and you're so vibrant. I see you dancing your ass off on the instagram and by the way sixty six is an old. You're not old but sixty six is still for someone to be dancing around and having as much fun as you are. I think people. It's pretty obvious. I think they're envious. They're like they want your life especially at your age. People say god. How could this guy be so happy. Well here's here's my mantra. Happiness is choice happiness as a habit in happiness is something you have work or and i work really hard i. I know that. I have with sugar so i eat right now. I know that. I have problems in. I eat right. Exercise is of the mirror. I was gifted with his wonderful. They call them nearer. Which is a huge yup life-size nearer they put me through my paces. And i fussed at mechanic here is says do one more. I say fuck you now. I know you're talking about like i have one. That's an echelon where they sit there and they talk to you all right five more reps and you could sit there and say what you want because obviously they can hear you do. The are slim to swim. I just in ten lamps. You know. I do something i eat ride i sleep. I decided when i was sixty years old. That at six o'clock curtain goes down non. My friends go. Would he may not go. Exactly what i say and i mean it they go. No no no. We're going to go have dinner. No launch six o'clock curtain goes down. I'm getting ready by nine o'clock. Everything's unplugged ten o'clock down. You know i. I sleep and i can sleep in ours too so loud you can really turn. Have you turn off work at. It's not going to have you turn shit off. You turn all your electronics off their gun an hour before you go to bed or something. Yeah i have to 'cause you could be a dicker that turn the tv on for turn anything off a turn a wonder and then i get you know it. Ready to get into band not usually got a book. I'm reading and you know what else i. I'm very very lucky in that. I do not know this ceiling. Only i'm not lonely ever really fell to someone i was younger. But as i've gotten over specially you know. I talked to friends. And they're not just some i won't somebody i don't because the difference you got somebody that's why they don't have anybody they're lonely and you're like well. I'm not lonely because i have someone. He adores the united organ but words separate students so bright. You said happiness is a habit. So are you saying you create what is that. What does that mean. It means that you make a habit of you know in other words. Wake up every morning insight she it. What is it if if you create good habits you govern the morning say okay. How can i make this great what you know. I've got this to do this to do. I don't wanna do this. I gotta do it. Well you gotta do you know you make a habit of not You know not going near you. Make a habit of get nothing smiling and saying hello to heap orrin. You know just all that shit. Mary sunshine mary. But i am. I try to make a habit of being happy. That's what i want to be. It's like you wanna have a habit of of. Yeah no. I think it's it'll just trying to have. That's where you'll go. You're grateful you go to bed. You say your gratitude. You're grateful that's what they teach. Recover twenty two months. You know off the sauce. And that's that's part of it. Alcohol alcohol no alcohol and no drugs in those cigarette is a big part in now. That's hard to get off that stuff. Isn't that hard. Was it very difficult for you to get off that twelve days in the central jail. That's all it too in the men's central jail. What what happened at the jail that you decided. I can't do this anymore. I was sitting there in Judge had said. I'm gonna give you if you messed up. I'm gonna give you one hundred twenty days. And i messed up and i showed up in there and i got a hundred hundred and twenty dad's in the men's central jail and I was you know people take it. It's I don't know i had a friend. A guy friend is said was a roddick. Roddy showering name prisoners now. Also ernie people nasty ugly horrid big all and it wasn't funny. It's like the playground and there were mentioning me. General exploited happened after. I got a jail at made. The big difference i i got. I did my time when i got out. I've got my first job in it was on caroline in the city i remember show and i had never worked completely sober. I mean not that. I was ever really loaded at were but i was either coming off of some weight gain band or looking anyway. I went to my sponsor time. And i listen i. I don't know how to work. I don't know what to do is sell camel tastes. Show up to be of love and service. I so that's a budge on pablo bullshit. Run by hippie. I'm gonna show of look look of love and service from a show with flowers. He said no. No no no. Listen to me i want you to show up and be of service to your director. This means that you have your lines. Are this means that it's his project. It's his story. Is the director use actual out of rain things on board. But you you are of service to a director europe service to producers therefore you are on time he don't make aids you know you show up you your your worker among workers said you're of service to your fellow actors which means you steal. The show is holiest show up. And i'm and the earth this little tiny script supervisor. Wish i remember her name. She whispered in my ear. She said a little bird told me. You're getting sober. She's thirty five years in. Need any advisory kamai weiss if i may thought round is supposed to be observed. She goes yeah. I know so. I was of service or carolina in the city. And i'm telling change arou- works today. I don't think about it today but people use over and over. I don't make a show up. I have my lines learn. I you know. I'm a actor among others. I you know i do my job in directors know that they They can rely on. You can rely on you. I was probably the biggest gift getting sober gays me. Is you know you don't think like that. You're you so not. So were you more ornery or did you. Did you ever get angry when you were drinking. Because you look like someone who doesn't get angry at all no on jay tell you one. It's it's all chemical shiver lead sugar in. How is your blood. sugar. Go into nine. The life of the party in my friend can do he said you. Turn on a dime. He said you'll turn on me like a mother in law is it. We'll be just talked all set. You'll go ahead. This is not always achieve and every time. We are drinking my frail aside less than we go through this every time we promise i go ahead and i wanna fight. I just want you to know that is not always about you and i. I drank in a bar down on santa monica boulevard. Russell is on like voice that you know Pag bocom with it was rough and they used to say you've been always telling lessons work in. There is not a boy on the boulevard than have brand new tennis shoes. What is in the guy bench bartender. As i hit him. I had info. Slant wait a minute so you you you like these tough big guys and you'd come at them and a lot of times they didn't want anything to do with you. Need still come at while it'd be had and you know about something and then it just turned out on sample like a girl would see you know and benjamin grabbed me of where the guy had get any in lobbying firm where they kept the beer in the back. Got tom nile. You just look for trouble. You're looking for trouble and benji set in over yet about this on said banji j. Forget in there no not them out yet and he said i love you. Did you ever pay benji of visit after you got sober just to say hey. I got him. he doesn't work anymore. It's not it's not. Even honors is right next to the avocado hamburger. Places of famous sweetser thing on santa monica boulevard. Burger was the corner right. There was the corner right date of hunters and all those aref. We're talking to eighties. Talk ryan's were on long and that's when the boys were boulevard. See they would work the boulevard ahead crack habits already dollars. So they ended up trade to get their cry so they will bear. B- is is. Hey do you let me ask you. Do you think people obviously they look at you like oh my god. This guy hysterical. He's so funny. We got higher and we got get hired to do all these funny roles. Is there a party. You that wants to do more drama. Do you think you could handle something really dark. And something where you just completely the opposite of people think you are again. I had a festering in college was really rough on tummy. Light ruin couldn't understand. Why so rough on me on rough on everybody else can do anything wrong you know. And he finally pulled me aside after the or years and he said you know that you're edible genuine artistry. Now i've been this way you are. That good of you are so lies. I had never seen a no matter. How hard i've tried ended up on sensitive You're gonna do really rail but no one will ever know. I thought wow. I was hired to The american horror story the first season. I didn't know jessica line. I didn't know. I shot up on set down in orleans and i've flown. I wasn't even in. La was another job. So i just kinda flew in real fast. And i turned around unless if you met jess Bitter budget cuts now as That you're the mind. She goes a hallmark. God it was sarah paulson. So the is it. it's like it's like kindergarten with is to apples already. We're just excited. Well i remember thinking what my professor told me. And i thought i know how to work. I know how to work. I can do this. In buckled down. You know. And i pulled it out of my ass in weren't run murphy has used me over and over number not really big parts of oil sticky in when he needs that kind of comedic relief but still serious loves the murder me alaska but Way that's that's what it figured out. You know that that's his. I'm the funny guy comes in. You know like unwilling greis. That's my job of done at a one. Emmy though i do it i do. 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2021-08-27 - REMEMBERING FATHER NEUHAUS, DION SINGS THE BLUES

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2021-08-27 - REMEMBERING FATHER NEUHAUS, DION SINGS THE BLUES

"A special lost interview reappears. Featuring a dear friend of the show for the richard john neuhaus and he's a rock and roll hall of famer still going strong after sixty years in the business. The wander himself dion. Talk to us about his most recent album. Blues with friends the world over begins right now now raymond arroyo a warm welcome to all of you joining us in the united states in the world over. We're delighted that. You're with us tonight. For the richard john. Neuhaus and dion domenici are straight ahead. If you'd like to comment on tonight show and you better say nice things. Send me a tweet at raymond. Arroyo let's get started now as many of you are where we are approaching the shows. Twenty fifth anniversary. I think i was too when i started this show. I wanted to share an interview that was lost for about eighteen years. I'd wanted to bring this to you many many times over the last several years and no one could find it then. My producer chris. Edwards recently discovered the tape while going through our archives. It's a profound interview with my dear friend and beloved member of our show the late father. Richard john neuhaus in the interview. He discusses a book he wrote about his near death. Experience as i lay dying but when we took a closer look he also addresses the sex abuse crisis in the church. His reflections are as relevant today as they were when this first aired in two thousand two. Here's an interview with my great friend. For the richard john neuhaus and some questions from the audience as well take a look. Let's talk about the bishops proposal to clear up this sexual crisis in our midst. Generally your thoughts on this proposal does it address the real situation as you see In many ways it's a good beginning. That's very tough very straightforward. But it's a deal with illegal dimensions and the public relations dimensions in the managerial dimensions of the crisis. That is upon us. And i would suggest that the crisis that is upon us is not essentially about public relations or law or management. The crisis upon us is about doctrine and morality. And it's a spiritual crisis. I mean this whole issue. I mean what has happened is a breakdown in fidelity. All of this is about three things fidelity fidelity fidelity. This is so blindingly obvious that i think many people are blinded to and that is that if bishops and priests were were teaching what the church teaches about human sexuality and we're living faithfully in accord with their sacred vows. We wouldn't have a crisis. We wouldn't be discussing this now. Something much more fundamental has happened and this could be a marvelous moment. Indeed i believe and i earnestly pray that years from now. I don't know how long it's gonna take three years from now. Ten years from now we're going to look back and we're going to say thank god. This happened that it was a moment of painful truths painful for an awful lot of people for the people who have been wickedly abused for the people who have betrayed the churches face and their own sacred vows for bishops. The bishops are cord to this. They're at the heart of of it Unless there's a change of heart and of practice on the part of the bishops Noah guidelines and proposals charters. Yeah all the rest of it is just damage control. That's that's what the dallas document is damage control now. I'm not saying damage. Control is not important institutional viewpoint but it's not what has so rightly shocked and indeed. In many cases traumatize the catholic people as they have looked at a church leadership that as the holy father said the most important thing he said in that meeting in april when he called him in the cardinals and the bishops he said look all this begins with a total commitment to the church's teaching. And he tied this exactly to the renewal of marriage and family life very bluntly he said. Look if you guys the bishops and the priests are not keeping your sacred vows. How do you expect the catholic faithful to take their own vows seriously. Does this document accomplish that. Does it show in his words. The faithful that the bishops and priests are totally committed to the fullness of catholic teaching on sexual morality. No no. This document doesn't even address that the document it refers to catholic teaching and fidelity to catholic teaching but it proposes nothing that is to be done about the fact that for decades for decades. Now now let's be fair and say that in the early nineties the bishops did get on to right. Yeah right and that. It is very noteworthy that almost all the cases. We have our from twenty thirty many years ago. But that was a period in which bishops as a body and they're very very good bishops that let that be underscored but as a body presided over a time that is aptly described as kind of lincoln with regard to both teaching and morality. I mean if we want to we can go right back and put a date on it. It was the response to the nineteen sixty eight encyclical humani on human sexuality in particularly on contraception but a more comprehensive encyclical on sexuality which was reacted to here in this country and in western europe by an organized systematic public campaign of defiance and ridicule by many of the elite theologians many of the priests and not a few bishops. And you see this as a final playing out of that that descent that undermining the doctrine raymond sure. What did it say what it said to people who were in seminary at that time people were thinking about the priesthood and across the board. It said that the church's teaching did not need to be taken seriously that the church didn't really mean what it said it meant and they'd say good vows don't really mean what they signed with the nineteen seventy-nine. The catholic theological society of america puts out a book called human sexuality which at every point from Adultery to homosexuality and even very delicately on beastie -ality was an act of total defiance the church's teaching and No heads rolled. Nobody was called to account fidelity fidelity fidelity they say in the dallas document that the bishops must faster fidelity. That's true there are times when fostering fidelity requires also enforcing requiring people to be faithful and not being intimidated when they say. Oh well if you require me to live by my say goodbye. I'm going to leave or people are going to leave. A lot of people are now saying that especially some of the gay because they're saying if they press the quite the church's teaching on homosexuality that you're going to have a mass exodus from the priesthood First of all. I think they greatly exaggerate the number of homosexual or out of the closet gay priests but secondly a bishop esta simply say. You must understand that. I have a job to do that. I have solemnly sworn before. God before the altar of god when i was ordained a bishop and you cannot intimidate me by saying that if i require review fidelity to the church's grand vision and it is an exciting vision of human sexuality infidelity in discipleship. And you cannot say to me that you're gonna leave Because i will say to you. Good bye As of this day we need to find a bishop. There's a speech that a priest friend of mine is written a speech in search of a bishop date to give it To his dialysis in which he simply says As of today any of you who are living in violation if you say good vows whether it be a man living with women are having an affair on the side of whatever or priest with cruising the gay bars whatever i have here a letter Applying for your lease asian view being lazy. Is i want you to sign it today. It stops today. You make the decision. You made a decision you see when you were ordained now. I know that there are some priests and we get back to that. Lincoln jr era. Who will say and with you have to have some sympathy for them. They'll say hey. This isn't fair. When i was in seminary when i was ordained in nineteen seventy three seventy four. I've talked to priests who said that. I was being told. Express my my sexuality exactly. It's a explore. The full range of my sexual. Exactly and at this celibacy requirement would be dropped and this seminaries and in some perhaps in many and many of the religious orders and the formation houses permission so all of this is now coming home you know. The we sewed the Wind we're reaping the whirlwind and it just defies logic and i think the sound common sense of the catholic faithful to say that there is no connection between dissent from and defiance of doctrine. And how people live their lives. If that's true why are we even concerned about correct doctrine and back to the world over live. Replace to be joined once again in studio by father. Richard john neuhaus editor first things magazine. A good friend of our program. He also is the author of a marvelous book. I lay dying meditations upon returning. And i want to talk a little bit about this book. You you mentioned somewhere in in the book you quote I don't know who this was. I forgot to noted but our little stories one of unrequited love for a world that moves on a little grim. Don't you think not really raymond you'll get a little older and then what and maybe find yourself in the same situation where all of a sudden it hits you like Great brick wall talking on you at what you always knew theoretically hypothetically of course it you're going to die But then all of a sudden you know it in a way that you never knew before that we're all as i've seen the book born toward dying which doesn't mean to the purpose of life is to die right but it is that we live out each day against the horizon of our mortality. And it's a beautiful thing. It's a very profoundly christian catholic thing to know that we're creatures creatures. We're not the creator. We're not god because most of our lives just really learning that we're not god that's the hardest single lesson to learn and to be glad you're not going to thank god you're not god and Mortality is is part of being a creature and being critically ill and lying by death stores. I did for weeks and months was Something i look back on I mean do. I say that I would just assume that didn't have happened from view. Yes but no anymore. sobering level. I'm deeply grateful. And you saw that. As a moment of god chiseling something into your life making you aware of a reality. Deepening you as a person through that experience. Oh it's very difficult And can be sinful boastful tongue but one's own spiritual growth. So i'm not. I'm not to get kind of estimated it won't dignify that with how much better person i am. But no but what did i experience what i experience in a way that i Had not before in my life through these series of operations and medical missteps and is that I'm not in control And that's a very good thing that there is a surrender there is. There is a surrender. That is not simply resignation. It's not simply shrugging your shoulders but it is a surrender of discovery of discovering that there is a Control there is a power. There is an intention -ality that can be absolutely trusted. After i mean when you're in this situation you've gone through a couple of these catastrophic operations as some of the doctors edge like being hit with a mack truck our several times over and you're lying there in the intensive care unit. Now i spend a lot of time. I describe in the book. How when i was a lutheran pastor was chaplain at a big king's county hospital in brooklyn for What then was called a charity hospital public hospital. And i've been with a lot of people as they died and in their very last moments of life. And then you find yourself. And so i'd been in intensive care unit before but i'd never been there as the one on the other end so to speak but It's it's it's a very personal book. And as i lay dying and very painful in many ways in the writing of it But i hope that the end. I mean person a person can read in just one or two sittings and it's a short book. I hope at the end that they participate at least a little in my Sense of grace field discovery that Everything is ready now I wanna talk about that. You bring up the moment you had. We should tell our audience for those not familiar with the book The you had cancer clearly lard that ruptured that was not taken care of what it was not found through a number of colonoscopy. Some people know don't know what to that Experiences and so that everything had gone wrong medically and so they'd open me up. taken out. This large tumor locked the guts cetera. Then sewed me up After hours and hours of operation only to discover that i was losing all vital signs and that there clearly was a hemorrhage inside and so then the question was what are they gonna do They open you up again. It'll probably kill you if they don't open you up. It'll certain they opened you up again. Open me up right all over again and discovered that surgeon. I don't blame him for this. And he was operating under very difficult circumstances but anyway head to nick spleen. Yes and that's where the blood was coming from and and so But i don't want to give the wrong impression of the book. It's not about a lot of gory. Medical background tried to downplay somewhat. Some of the Medical details which were gory into and you were out for period. They didn't have any recognition and cardinal o'connor shows up briefly They never is the most remarkable thing This was now the next morning after these two massive surgeries and i found myself The doctors were around there. A half dozen or more of them and they were all discussing. What was wrong. And i was My experience was a being encased in a marble slab on the wii marble slab it so it seemed to me with my body totally disengaged mind so that there was there was no complete disconnect. I mean there was nothing it was is this where the body of a corpse there and and and they were all discussing. Why isn't he coming out of it. As i learned later there'd been another mistake with the anesthesiology and then i'm lying there and listen to all this and then the doctor says the cardinals here. The cardinals here and this is my dear dear friend john connell. Connor who received into the church were daime a priest and to him. He turned indebted and so Do they had all been saying well. You know wiggle your toe or or wiggle your thumb or something like that which i was trying to intensively and cardinal got right up to my ear and and he says richard wiggle your nose and now in this circumstance i was actually. My mind was racing. I'm terribly saying why does he say wiggle my nose everybody else says wiggle your and he says we and i thought well he was in vietnam he was a chaplain. He is with a lot of people and maybe he found that people on the edge of death can wiggle or no. I don't know. And so i'll tell you raymond This is a true. Saying i have never in my entire life. Try to do something as much as i tried to do that. but your dad. You see it's just like a corpse ended again. This disconnect your mind sending out commands to. It's the body is totally different and then finally all with such an intense effort. It must have wiggled maybe one sixty four and the cardinal says he did it he did it and the surgeon is standing there and he says no he didn't. He didn't see it your eminence and he said i he did it. He says richard. Wiggle your again s. marshall energies. I'd do it again. And then the doctor saw it and then it was. Someone is i saying. The book is someone had risen dead and they were. It was quite Quite remarkable but No it was a whole series of Moments in which you were led through as the psalm says to the valley of the shadow of death and discovered that in the deepest darkness There is finally No reason to fear that even at the heart of darkness is Is hope because of the heart of darkness is christ. We've got so many calls and emails. I have to go to but before we do that very briefly you said a moment ago. Everything is ready now. There were and you described it. The last time we talked briefly about this to presences. You describe to you and your room and they announced to you. Everything is reading now. What were those presences. I've got more male about this. You'd better explain it now. I can't explain it if you asked me to explain it. No i wouldn't presume. What do you think they too. Let's just first of all. I was acutely alert and aware and brought all of my intellectual energies to bear upon what had happened immediately upon it's happening and i tend to be rather skeptical and critical in my intellectual position There was a message. They let me put a very precise. I know there was a message. I heard this message. Everything is reading i. If there is a message that must have been messengers and the christian word. For messenger from the greek is ongoing angel There were two more than one. It was very unclear. What the import of this message was. I mean it wasn't as though they're saying you know now your your time is kind of your life is supposed to go with whatever i took it as a kind of invitation but not a not a pressing invitation. Simply letting me know that if i was ready to go they. Have you ever ready to take me At least that is how i interpret this. And i i must say for a long period of time after that as i described in the book. I pondered this so Well i really had a choice. It isn't a sense up to me. Whether i'm going to live or whether i'm going to die and i must say it. The answer was by no means self-evident. By no means self-evident I mean considering what christians have to hope for to look forward to vision. Which by the grace of god We will reach There's an awful lot to be said for answering the other way. But one of the things that i don't think i really made a firm answer one way or another but i was swayed by a lot of friends and colleagues and others who wrote in a visited and it was as though they knew that i was thinking what this message meant and whether i should go or stay because they kept giving me detailed arguments about why i should stay. I mean like the one constitutional lawyer robbie george at princeton Almost like re writes lawyers. Brief here's a bump bump or these ten through twelve and And so i did stay. And we're happy made that choice because now you have all these questions segment now to our first call on the phones joanne from pennsylvania. You're on the world over live. What your question. good evening. good evening joanne. A my question is to father. newhouse I heard him say tonight. And it's not the first time i've heard it that we are going to and i and i and i say this loosely asked the lady to determine The situation with regard to the crisis in the church right now. The the priests the bishops. I am proud of the fact that our faith decides who is going to run our church In the in the protestant churches and the jewish churches it is their laity that makes those decisions and this concerns me that we're we're giving up the power of the holy spirit to the lady of the church concerned that i think you may be misinterpreting. Would father was saying. I hope you also heard me say that. Our jesus christ established his church on the basis of the apostles and the apostles in communion with and under peter The successor to peter the bishop of rome the pope That is how the catholic church is constituted by our lord and savior. Jesus christ and that is how it will be until the end of time. the bishops. Who are the successors to the apostles must be effective leaders to be an effective leader. You have to engage the people whom you're leading you have to understand their questions. Their sensibilities live with them. You have to be among them. You have to be in a sense of their world and yet always leading their world to a higher dimension of adventure in christian faithfulness so Yes those catholics. Who have used exploited if i may Employed the term exploited this crisis in order to advance weary tired tattered agitations for the protestant -tising of the catholic church and for the quote democratizing and decision making and the election of bishops. And so what did i know that that is That would be to simply descend deeper into the abyss of infidelity. That has created the current crisis. The real renewal we need is a renewal that will be thoroughly and authentically and vibrantly catholic joan from tennessee. Joan what's your question john. I'm sorry i gave a gender change their john. I definitely don't let the wouldn't give that particularly in the midst of this. I have a. I have a comment. My comments i. I think it's also about the lady. I think that the lady has been very disobedient in the last twenty or thirty years and my question for father is does. He think that there's going to be any change in the catholic church until the priest on their own accord or Maybe the bishops of forcing them to speak about issues of morality from the pulpit and specifically contraception because we very rarely ever hear that from the pulp. God bless you know you're quite rashawn and of course It now becomes evident that at least in many cases we didn't hear that from priests and bishops is that they didn't believe it and they weren't living the catholic teaching regarding human sexuality on a whole range of questions so that the renewal that we have to pray god will work out of this. Time of purification will be a renewal that as the holy father told the cardinals and the bishops in april in their meeting in rome encourages catholic laypeople precisely to enter into the high adventure of fidelity Because they will see the example of their bishops and the end result is a holy father. Said we'll be holier bishops holier priests and a holy church please god please god harvey from iowa. You're on the world over live. How are you this evening. Harvey thank you. I'm fine raymond. Be brief i. I love this book. And i have a very direct question. How does one surrender. Let go in a situation. Such his are well. That's it thank you very much okay. Well that's a tough question. That's a tough question. Cbs one says how one surrender even that way of phrasing. It and i don't say this critically because we all do that betrays the notion that it's something we're doing namely oh let's see. I got such and such to do today. Such and such and then is i evaluate my life. What i need to do is is Learn how to surrender. It's the grace of god. We simply have to be open to the fact that we're not in control that we are as i said earlier limited and don't resent those limitations but rejoice in those limitations to know that we are creatures which is to say limited which is to say mortal and that god intends us to be that way and he loves us that way and he loves us the more we abandon any pretensions that we are anything other than limited mortal creatures. It's very difficult when you're well. I dunno it's not only illness. I mean it can be. I mean a lot of people. I have discovered this radical abandonment to the grace of god through other crises in their lives marital crises crisis with children. The job etcetera But i think every time we come to mass. It's one of the reasons why mass there have to be periods of silence and in which we are not busy in which all business mentally psychologically emotionally it set aside and we simply let christ be i think the adoration of the blessed sacrament of course is so attuned to this awareness that it is possible for human beings to Enter into not some kind of spectacular pyrotechnics spiritual experience but simply the awareness of an emptiness that god fields and. This is a surrender that is firefighter beyond beyond mere resignation maureen from pennsylvania on the world over live. What your question laurie. Yes my question is for father. Newhouse course as devastating as devastated as i am with the current crisis. I am very happy that there was a renewal at hand. And i am praying very hard for this reno. I'm also wondering if there's going to be any positive campaign that will run simultaneously. That will help borderline catholics that confused. Catholics are skeptical catholics through this crisis to see the wonderful side of their faith. And i'll hang up now. okay I i hope so. I hope you know there are lots of movements of we knew in the church Full kalari and legionary of christ and random christie and you can go on and on and on the holy father has been as you know raymond throughout his twenty four years of the ticket so encouraging of nurturing you know what i'll drop drop here name-dropping but once when i was having lunch with the holy fall okay. Let me get away with that. He said my listening Yes he would always ask how john. Connor is cardinal. O'connor is and i'd always say very strong and positive things. And i said you know what cardinal o'connor said breakfast somewhile back and he says no what did he say he said. I get up in the morning. Praying that i will go to bed that night with hat without having discouraged any impulse of the holy spirit. Isn't that a beautiful thing for bishop to say holy father said yes. I told him that. But i think but this. So he's name-dropping seriously young people. We're going to see this again in the world youth day in toronto. This summer as we've seen in so many world youth days We run a seminar. And i say we George weigel michael novak in a number of others of us with our polish friends in krakauer pulling during the summer i am I never fail to be astonished. It takes my breath away at young people. Breitbart ticket On fire on fire. Not in any kind of cramped and and Stifling pyatt cystic but vibrant alive whole who want nothing. More than in whatever way god calls them to throw away their lives which jesus and And that's there in the holy spirit is there. And just as jesus promised that he get the powers of hell will not prevail against the church so a lot of negligent and a few complicit bishops increase are not going to prevail against the church. This thing is rolling on and on reeling at time staggering at times wandering off the path at times but always brought back. because it's the work of god. It's not our work. here's an email very interesting. Dear world over live father. Could you tell me what's going on in the hearts of the good holy priests at this time of crisis do you share your sorrow disappointment fear etc god bless rosana. Yeah because of course For a lot of pres These guys who have done wicked things and have betrayed their vocations their ordination our friends. You know insured breaks your heart new york we have priest. Who's been one of the outstanding leaders of the diocese But you know there was an old thing you see. And that's part of what got us into this. We talk a little bit earlier about the clerical bubbled little kind of viewing of the church. Really being the clergy and the clergy. Being the on you belong to the club and there can be a sense which that's good any kind of profession. Any kind of institution has to have a sense of solidarity and you try to protect the weaker brother etcetera and that's understandable but it is a false compassionate is no compassionate all it is no love at all to enable someone to continue on a course or to repeat an act which is doing great injury to others and great damage spiritually and in every other way to him two more minutes. He's a quick call. James from ohio very quickly. What your question for for the new us other. There is a book out by michael rows of cincinnati from cincinnati and he states that homosexuality is rampant and perhaps a majority of our seminaries. And my question is as it's been true in the past and maybe even more importantly is it still Going on today I read the michael rose book goodbye. Good man his basic thesis is eh. What you said. And behind that he says is a The pre sleep shortage appreciate vocations is to quote archbishop courtesy of maha artificial and contrived because there are lots of people including gay or lavender mafia. In some places that are keeping people out or Just simply making the priesthood unattractive for a lot of people. I think the rose book. It's important to keep in mind as he himself would say that he's describing a circumstance that prevailed in the late seventies in the nineteen eighties. Not so much. In the last ten years as we said at the top of the program the bishops did in the early ninety s tried to get on top of this managerial viewpoint. At least but There is much truth in the rose description ended up to be a matter of continuing a concern and prayer by all of the catholic faithful public. Richard john neuhaus. I thank you so much for being here. We could do another four hours. You'll have to come back to keep it needling you. The book is father of other new book as i lay. Dying is available in fine bookstores everywhere and from wtn catalog. There was only one richard. John neuhaus boy. I miss his clarity. His wit and that rumbling. Baritone is no raymond anyway. God bless him and my next guest is a rock and roll legend one of the most successful performers of the pre british invasion era. And he's still recording. Today he had a dozen top forty hits in the late fifties and sixties. I with the belmont and later as a solo artist. The wanderer runaround soon so many others have become standards throughout his six decade career. He's recorded well over forty albums. His latest blues with friends is just that fourteen tunes steeped in the blues featuring his friends who happen to be some of the greatest musicians in the business. I spoke with him recently about his new album. Rock and roll hall of famer. My pal dion dan. Thanks for being with us. Yo good to be with you all. Well it's always a pleasure to have you back on the show. Let's start with this new album. Blues with friends and boy. You've got great friends. Bruce springsteen van morrison paul. Simon jeff beck. The list goes on. How did the idea for this album. Come about and how did you manage to corral this talent. It's crazy raymond. I wouldn't be able to plan it if i tried. I had fourteen great songs that i wrote. They seem to have been the best batch of songs i ever wrote. I was under the spout where the glory comes out or under the wells of creativity and i. I had two months off a while. I was working on the play. The wanderer and i thought let me go into the studio and not these songs. Zaka took me for about four years. You know in the writing. So i went in cut them in three days. Giovanna masa comes over to my house and listen to a song called blues with blues coming on. He says dion adds a great track. I'll i'll let me play on it. I said joe be my guest. Well when he played on it. Raymond i kid you not. I know how to write a song. I know how to sing a song. I know how to make a great record. But i truly believe after listening to him. I said i am limited in my ideas. And my you know the concept of how i want these things to evolve. And i think it's fair to say that joe bonham mazda gave me the vision for it because when i went when i started listening to the other songs that i i you know my other tracks. I don't had a balance for instance. I had a ballot. I said who could play on this and i thought of jeff beck said. He's only guitar player. Who can make me cry. Heard him do puccini's aria nessun. Dora sure he can make me cry. I i sent them the song and he said i'd love to play on it will when jeb back said yes. I knew he was like the gold standard you know. He has magic in his hands. I thought i thought this is a good thing you know. And then i recall bambang boom so i. I sent it to billy gibbons from z. Z. top. He's like sure john garand steroids. And things started shaping and i just rode the wave. I kept asking friends and it's which it it is an incredible outpouring of who you are in your artistry and also these other people coming in and it's interesting as i read some of the reviews they say as great as these people are around you. You have the distinction of being able to retain your brand your power your artistry and they never according to these reviewers. They never bypass you were overwhelm. You which sometimes happens when you have guests come into a piece. I want to give people a sense of the album. Here's one of the first tracks it features bruce springsteen and his wife patti. It's called him to him. Listen to this. I want you to comment on comm misfortune from chain snafu law. You're vanished your saw. That is such a gorgeous piece. Kion tell us about the song it was originally recorded for an album. You did in the mid eighties. Why did you decide to resurrected here. This is the one song that i had recorded of back in the eighties. And i just didn't like where it was where it settled i. I always thought that i could. I wanted to live somewhere else. And i said you know pani scalpels scalpels would be a great person to sink some hominy with me. She's the jersey soul girl. So i sent it to patty and she loved the song. And so did bruce. And she went into the studio and this is the great thing about this album. I it's just it. It's thrilling to get these Masterful monster distinctive mesmerizing artists. That get their concept and fears it on my song. It's like so patty goes in. I thought she was gonna sing harmony with a few lines. And maybe echo align here or there she stacked she stacked nine or ten vocals and she captured like the win of the holy spirit or something. You know a higher reality then. Bruce walks in the room with his gravitas toss guitar and he captures the universe for sure with this big sound and you know and and i'm listening and this is the the fun thing about this album. I had such a great time. Playing you know working with designers goes every time i heard a contribution i it was thrilling to me. It was like so much fun to listen to. And i got excited for the next song and i started casting different guitar. Plays the songs. But i didn't have any stress about it was such a a laborer. Love fun for me. It all came together. Yeah it just all came together. You've never shied away from your religious convictions. Dion were you worried that the subject matter of that particular him to him might scare off patty. And and bruce springsteen no they embraced it they have then naturals. Bruce grew up right in back of him was a catholic church so he has a lot of stories. I read his book. But you know it's in his dna you know so. They responded to it so lovingly. They didn't have there was no pushback or anything. They embraced it and they well. We love each other. Actually you know so. We support each other. But let me tell you that that that covers this album dionne. It's you hear the love and the effect and the camaraderie and the respect. Everybody has for one another on this project. But you wanted to say something go well wanted to tell you. A funny story My wife susan. We've been married. Fifty seven years have three beautiful children. Five great grandchildren. I mean wonderful. Grant grandchildren the You know if you get in my wife's cau- she has like twelve van. Mars albums her favorite singers van arson. And i always told a susan with soul brothers so we get this song. I got nothing. The song is called. i got nothing. And when you're single with van marks nothing is more than enough. So i go into the radio and raymond i gotta tell you you haven't lived until you you sing with van morrison. He's just. It's just so much fun. But after i did the song and i put it in the cd player in the car. And susan heard it. Raymond i am in for the next thirty years. I am finally made it i. I finally impressed her. Took all these years. That's pretty good. Maybe i need to get van. Morrison's number to see if i can get in the club at home. That might work dion. I'll text to you right now. Texture to thank you. Look you've recorded so many different genres do doo-wop rock and roll pop country and since two thousand six. You've really majored in blues. There's a track on the album that to my ear couldn't be more timely. It's called a song for sam cook here in america. And it's you and paul simon. I'm going to play a little bit about it. And of it rather and then i want to talk about it. Try to bargain nine. Six two replay. Do we jody walk the streets spotless jock that i've you saw the deep booth stop and stare making yankee boy land on never thought of color. Joe scam in here now. Dion you knew sam. Cook toured with them through memphis. Where did this song come from. Is it biographical you know. I toured. i think this is a lovely story. Raymond because I toyed with sam cooke About six weeks and he was very intelligent kind of refined guy. He was the son of a preacher so he wasn't afraid to talk about. God you know and you know. I saw him in a lotta situations. We traveled in the south. And i never experienced anything like that. Because i i come from the bronx in the north but it wasn't the same because my mother worked in the millenary line. She worked with black jewish age. Whatever you know she. I never heard my my parents. I never heard of disparaging word against any kind of ethnic group So but i was rough around the edges and sam was very refined guy and when i heard people calling him names. Sometimes it's face. I'd go up to him. Say sam a right hook just them like this or hit him. Like i was like a tough you know. And he'd he'd say dion that's a cutaway to become a man you know if if race matters to you you ever racist. He said to us. It doesn't matter. It's like. I color shoe color so You know the thing is. I watched him on a lot of circumstances in a lot of any never got ruffled. You never responded badly or reacted. And and then it dawned on me why he was the brightest guy in the room and he started teaching me because he wasn't afraid to talk about faith for an higher reality and a higher pitch in on just the better way to do things. So when i when i had i had this song that i wrote for a long time and i never recorded it and last year i saw green book and i was. I said i said susan. They did a movie about my song. But it's like in reverse i. I took it out of the back of the draw dusted off had lunch with paul simon. Put it before. Him showed it to him said pull. This is not a song. Soli about racism. It's about brotherly love. Sam was living out the gospel loving his brother as himself. I said i learned so much from this man. And paul got it. He knew he knew. And he said i hear i hear what i wanna do. Give it to me give it so went into the studio and and and he did something sublime with it so. I'm glad you mentioned that. I really beautiful thank you. Bob dylan penned the liner notes for this new album. He had this to say about you. And your music when you have voices deep and wide as yawns that voice can take you all the way around the world and then all the way back home to the blues. Dion knows how to sing and he knows just the right way to craft these songs these blues songs. He's got some help there. Were some friends here to help them out. Some true luminaries but in the end. It's dion by himself alone and that masterful voice of his that will keep you returning to share these blue songs with them. How does that kind of recognition from a man widely regarded as one of the greatest songwriters really of our time. and you're contemporary strike. You when you first reno's or read them. Well you know. Every time dylan writes something. It seems like i learned something. I didn't know i don't know what that is about him. But he's his just my. My definition of genius is whatever. They're doing in their particular field distance between what they're doing and everybody else's doing is definitely a distance and dylan is when i finished the album and i i sent it to you know i had all my friends play on and i had no more songs i sent out as bob dylan appeared right something for it. I go back to the early sixties. Bob dylan and i sent it to him and you know we all know. He's the greatest songwriter the twentieth century and he won a nobel prize. But a lot of people don't know he's a great blues singer and i'll steeped in the tradition so i sent it to him and really touched me. You know what he sent back. It really was insightful to about i love the line that he said you know. There's a built in law in the blues. You don't have to overpay for them. What he's saying is is too. I think he's talking about the commandments. Natural law that's written on your heart you know you don't have to like don't have to kill yourself to sing this stuff. We all have the blues. I want you to update us on the status. You talked about your story and really that you know that that big moment in your life and your artistry there's a broadway musical coming based on your life the wanderer. It was supposed to open this year. Do the covert nineteen. It's been postponed. When will the wander premier. And what can folks expect one it opens. Did you write new music for no what. Well there's a couple of songs i wrote. But the but the musical raymond i was never broadway guy theater guy. I'd rather go to a blues club. A rock and roll club. But this guy this kid charles messina. Great writer you give me something of substance you could entertain me all day long. He has. i'd say he has Has history in it he has. He has Early street rock and roll romance betrayal. Victory laughs this great music. you know. it's just it's it's a. It's a story about transformation. It's a story about addiction and not getting better like becoming good it. It's a story about transformation and really is it's i don't know how he did it but he did. It's it's an talk about an american story like the. I say the album that i just did. I say it's a story about us. Americans people like sunny landry who's virtuoso. He's beautiful and every decade is is present on the album. Mike samantha fish. She's thirty years old. What a guitar awfully. I never heard anything like. She's from new orleans. You know why no sorry sunny land. And they're you do the blues. How do you do the blues new orleans neon raymond there are no bad musicians in new orleans. Even the people on the street corners. I don't care what they're planning plan spoons. I never heard anything like. Have you been musician new orleans. They change your out. That's what they always say. If you're a bad musician in new orleans you're intimidated so look we gotta before i run out of time. We lost little. Richard recently may ninth addition this year. I know you knew him. I read the other day. Only you and jerry lewis from that first wave of rock and roll that remained with us and are still active. What's the secret to surviving and thriving this long dion. Well you know the short of it is. I'm amanda prayer. I bought those hands when i was fourteen on fourteenth street. But you know. I think i think that has a lot to do with raymond. You know your your when you hooked up. It's like you plugged in your have all the the health and the the beauty and mystery off and wonder and and just got his exciting. The the most the brightest people wrote for the you know there's a lot of people say all kinds of things about religion you know but then they heard somewhere they make it up. You know it has no ground the beauty of it is. It's so real. And so beautiful and the truth will give you health. You cannot what keeps you in bondage and hurting era the truth will set you free and it's good to be free. My you know. I was a weird kid. Raymond i used to read saint. Thomas aquinas was a teenager and he said you. Don't have god if you don't have god in your life you are going to try and fill your life with the four great temptations you know. The typical addictions welts pleasure. Power and honor. You know it's money. Set jones ruskin roll power. You know the politicians honor. Don't you know who i am. I'm writing. I got a win. I gotta be better. And i got all you gotta fill your heart with. You gotta fill yourself up with that. And it'll never bring your it'll never give you eternal rest in your soul. That that rests that you've bruce springsteen that's why he liked him to him. He wrote a song call. Everybody's got hungry heart. It's exactly what augusta said he said you know. Hearts are restless until you come to rest in god alone now once you do that. God shapes you desire for those things. They're not bad things money relationships. You know paolo pleasure. A honor not bad things but trying to run your life on self will raymond for me. It was disastrous all of us. Yep for all of us. It always is well. I love that. And you see that in your work that that sparkle that light and that only comes from as you said that relationship that you're hooked up to the source of creativity beauty and truth and the hear it in in between the lines of your work and on the surface blues with friends is available now at i tunes spotify wherever music is sold crate album. That's all the time we have for now. Be sure to catch us next week. Until then we'll be scouting the world over for all the seem an unseen on that the staff and crew of the wgn news. Thank you for watching. I'm raymond arroyo by now.

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I wanted to be. I had this dream. This vision That i was going to be a fashion. pr girl. I watched every episode of the hills. I watched all day as a die hard fan. I love kelly to try. And that is what i want to be and then i went to school. I'm kind of like that. Middle of the generation millennials. So i went into school right around the time like while i was in. La my sophomore and junior year was the great recession. And that changed that whole thing up for me. Because i realized that a lot of my friends a lot of the people that were graduating Were not able to get jobs. And even though they were graduating with god knows how much they were unable to get. Full time. Employment and i was like whoa. This comes. Major situation is not gonna work. Until i need to switch gears a little bit and i ended up going into the business law. Going into marketing. And you know up. Until i joined getty images i actually was Had a pretty traditional marketing background. Not traditional i was worked in consulting. I worked on the research side of consulting I did you know marketing for actual brands men. I moved into the agency world My last three years before during getting in the agency world. So i then i stumbled into this. It just so happened that some really messed up. Things happened in my last year at the agency world. Which i'm the shore is probably shared experience of any black person working at an ad agency and You know on a whim saw this job. Thought it wasn't a real thing because it was like one of those indeed applications where that's native to indeed and you actually have to sit so it's not through getty state submitted Liking like oh. This isn't a real thing whatever. This job seems coolest but it's not a real thing. And then i got the email her and the rest is kind of history and i fell in when i i stumbled into it. I am not the traditional profile That they usually hire for all like this up until that point. I didn't have traditional art background a traditional photography background and that's really where they hadn't lived as a department as a function amplify was really passionate about it and pretty encyclopedia knowledge about our culture in general so that really helped me get a leg up but also they were moving into the direction of being thoughtful and strategic about how they approach their content and i was just kind of puzzle piece. They needed to put into place. That's an amazing story. I i feel like the trajectory of everybody's career or even like life happened during that economic recession. That happened back. Then because that's the same. That was kinda my story to. I was living in new york and then the recession happened and couldn't afford to live in new york anymore and had to move back home and then completely You know just shattered everything that i thought i wanted to do. And ended up becoming an entrepreneur and creating the platform that i have today so It's interesting how life forces you into making those kinds of decisions. And i'm sure a lot of people are dealing with that now with the current recession that we're in but you know what i. I'm curious to know your your specific role because you you have a very unique role at getty images and it's it's described as a hybrid between a strategist and a creative director. Can you explain to our listeners. Exactly what that means shores. So yeah i. I'm a- traditional very traditional strategists. Where i come from that agency were all of you know that understanding of what that role looks like so looking at dina taking large sits data. Distilling it down to incites in stories and human truths that will be anchoring. The campaigns the projects brands were gone And then the creative director part is something that i had to step into. I need to. I needed to figure out how to become more confident. In making those decisions. I grew into the all over the last three years but it really is about making sure that from an aesthetic point of view style. One of you know full understanding of what something needs to look like um and so we work very closely with our. You know Our imagery team are content creators To help them understand. Okay well here are. Here's what's backing up. Here's what rounding the information the data that's grounding why we're moving in a specific direction and here's what you need to do with that and i'm helping them sheep from you know con- conceptually to casting and location wherever they need to be making sure they understand From a holistic sense you know what they should be reflecting how should be reflecting a why matters. And it's the best i sometimes. They still have to pinch myself. Like how did they let me in here. Like what did i do. Lincoln giving me a job in leading giving this power much power. It's crazy A strong and firm believer that everything happens for a reason. So how long have you been working in this in this roll out. Three years in january actually started the day. January second in two thousand eighteen sow almost three years for short. Feels like a decade though. That's how much less months feels like a dry lean. Honestly it's like a class century. All that is so many emotions so many things have happened. It's just like i remember on the on the quote unquote internet. Their early early days they were referring to early. Days of the pandemic is season. One independent which is really funny so now absolutely so You know. I remember when i first started as a blogger in two thousand twelve. Finding stock images of black women and specifically nerdy black women wearing glasses was like finding a needle in a haystack and the obviously the landscape has definitely changed. But how much has the landscape changed in stock photography with respect to diversity and house getty images facilitate changing that landscape. I mean it's chain. I change dramatically. Even since i've been here but will say since two thousand twelve for shore it's evolved away from the visibility of black women but also it's evolved away from. I don't know you know the classic image of that woman eating salads stock image they. We've moved away from that. Moved away from those really classic. Means that you still see circulating on the internet. But i think what. It's been great because we've been really focused as the business way before. A lot of these conversations have been happening About representation in making sure we. We are using our platform out power our reach for good. I mean we work with the biggest. All of the biggest main brands in around the world in some very important to put the hot make sure that there's content available on that represents the world as it is and so We started with our leaning collection back in just going to say five or six years ago which is a partnership with unions nations reimagine gender roles and that was kind of i four way into that space for us as you know to be organized arrived at is business in like a collection format and we have so many partnerships over the years with refinery twenty nine and are no apologies collection thinking about body size and making sure we're inclusive and all about the experience of women Muscle riches reimagining young muslim women or everything muslim woman in the us and then we had our big big campaign In gosh twenty eighteen or melt side. Twenty nineteen i am. Everything is blurring together Our project in collaboration with dove and creative collected round Reimagining women nonbinary people and cetera is actually. I'm all of photographers. the creators will also min nonbinary fans. So i think so that was really i mean that was so transformative for us but then in that same year we also launched disability collection. We launch my little baby project the such as collection which is about You know you imagining the lat. Next community here in the united states. And we've just been May we've tried to put our money. Where our mouth this. Because we know that you can't really be what you can't see you know marian wright edelman said that so. I think that it's employees. We understand the responsibility that we have an been excited to be part of it. Back said You know there's still more change that to happen. There's still a lot of work to be done. And i'm actually curious. Had i mean you still. Obviously you still run your platform have you. Oh yeah whoa way way more change. I mean you know. Quick story with black girl nerds. When i first started the blog i typed in the term black girl learns and google images and there were images of white women wearing glasses with black frames so Because you know you it was even the term itself wasn't even Something that you could find on the internet and certainly google images you know saw an afterthought so now when you type in black girl nerds obviously you you see images that pop up for my sight but now you do see images of black women not only wearing glasses but black women is gamers is caused players action role players women in the stem fields And i think that that's great. That were now finally having this large diverse vast platform of images that. We're seeing at least in google search engine for once Because i i remember just seeing hyper sexualization images of black women even when was typed in black women are So it it. It's definitely changed a significant deal and it's made it a lot easier for me to be able to look for the images That i need to know if i do need to look for stock photo So it's great but like you said there. There's definitely a lot more work to do. The work is not as we. Yeah we do. See a lot of stereotypical images. And i'm curious to know you know representation. It's important it shapes who we are shaped so you become an when we see ourselves reflected that has an impact so what is getty images doing to shatter negative stereotypical images. Well i mean. I i can speak for myself and the work doing it getty. You know. I think everything that we do as a business is trying to shatter sort of negative stereotypes. Mx sort of embedded in the work. But i will say that the thing that we're trying to with our partners with our customers are actually have a conversation often a lot of times especially knowing that this structure the makeup of the you know the composition of these teams in a corporate setting are often. They're not. They are not reflective of the communities that they're trying to reach right so we're trying to embark on this. Really you know with all the best intentions trying to represent certain communities and yet no one knows where to start. What we're trying to do is actually provide them with the tools with the guidance with everything that being needs actually know how to start Had to have on relations And we're naming some of these things explicitly. I like to say when. I talked to on the clients that work with that. It's about naming monsters and we don't know what we're up against if we don't know the shenanigans that we are solving for correcting for when never gonna make any progress with that where we get into that around that area being really tokenistic for example That's where we get into things like where You know we're checking box showing a black person yet but yet that black person is you know someone who is super light skinned And they are you know they have that three c- curl pattern where like yep done and that's it or that you know i think about that. Recent birt's vs example. You know. I don't know if you heard about the controversy about You know the i guess. This image limped on their website In so it was in the context. it was a you know i guess. Piece of quality jetsetter pajamas or something like that and an image of different families throughout their website. and i'm not sure if this is truly the case But they someone's Black that they saw only this black this black woman the only black woman on on website and choose a single mom with your daughter and so that is while that is ok isolation when you think about it in the context of the wider kind of stereotypes the tropes you know around out You know the plan at black family structures again. it is totally okay to be a single pat. I was raised by a single parent. But i think there's a harm if that's the only thing that you're seeing with with a certain from certain comedian research people so we're trying to have those conversations about things like that and or you know you talked about being sexualize. The one thing that when was driving me behind developing in this such as collection was about the fact that latin latino people were often are often sexualize. Both you know men. Women maverick are often sexual no matter. Why context was so unsettling to look at some of the ads that you'd see in recent times that just for no good reason Real was about that objectification and that was something that we have to actively disrupt even in the language that we use in describing that on the community. So i think what i'm excited. Most excited about is being able to get to be giving kind of carte blanche the organizations do this work And you know and to have their full support in that. Because it's important and i think the organization understands important. I'm curious to in a you had tapped on color azam because one of the things that i've noticed heavily in the black community Throughout the years when it comes to imagery is i've always noticed when it comes to showing a black family the lowest show a dark skinned mother and father and then they'll show mixed children. I don't i don't know what that's about. Is that something that you also singing in. The latin x community is well all the last community. You just see a whole a whole tight you know. They have olive skinned. They have long dark hair. And that's about it So i don't think we ever go that far that's move. We've moved away from that in the community. A little bit and i think what i personally really out of the practice we've made in terms of representing latin culture in the families But you still kind of see it. Isn't you know colorado them beyond that. It's more of that. There is sort of defaulting to either Very lighter skinned diesel like mexicans because mexicans make up the majority of the american pop latino population and erasing the rest of that world The community i think. The percentage of Mexican-americans somewhere around a high sixties. Maybe sixty nine percent. I want to say but the next still leaves thirty one percent of of the population which is very kind of Has very very diffuse that that. That remaining thirty percent puerto ricans colombians dominicans. You have cubans have Venezuelans and so on and so forth. And so and what. You don't often see even look like you don't even get to have that conversation about seeing darker skin at the person even though we know that we exist you know so i think isn't interesting thing bring up because the obviously there is cholera in community by i think the other things that Getting ranch to understand that is not always so straightforward. That said target has had enough. You've seen any of the recent Commercials they've had some really really beautiful stuff this year around the holidays showing You know is very clear. communities in spanish and they have them People of all kind of racist because remember Let an xs. An ethnic identifier is not a racial lines so it was really core representation of all skin tones. Shades different types especially seeing Latin people in that commercial. Yeah target targets been doing a good job to With respect to people with disabilities have been seeing the With commercials so the they've been definitely doing a good job I wanted to also find out about the work culture of their getty images often we hear about companies talking about diversity but their workforce doesn't often reflect that so is Getty images isn't a verse workplace. You on the spot by asking you that question okay. They're probably gonna kill him for laughing so hard. No i mean. I will say that getty is Definitely making strides toward being more inclusive. Representative workforce You know we've had a lot of amazing amazing people coming in over the last year or so. Even in spite of the fact that we've been we have a pandemic. I'm currently hiring. So if anyone wants to work with me if you're based out of la happy to look at your resume so a lot more opportunity i think for on communities who are not representative But the reality is listen. It's a part you know. Getti- this is its corporate organization that exists with an assist on that was set up to uphold to pry to champion White male voices matt's it so and we are as an organization trying to contend with reality and actively disrupt that reality. And so when i can say is that the organization our ceo who is a white man is also very much a champion of making sure. We build this inclusive workplace in that we make this the best place to work for employees from marginalized identities. Whether you know you are From community of color whether you're disabled by mary. Whether you're trans whatever your background that you feel you know you feel welcome. And we're actively doing what he can to bring that talent into the into the room while this question may be can help When getty can help out with this next question. I'm going to ask you because it. It seems like black photographers and photographers of color. Period still represent a small portion of the industry. So why do you think that is and what can be done to change that. Do represent a slow portion of the industry. I don't i. I don't see many black photographers When you hear about who is shooting on the cover of vanity fair and all these big magazine publishers. I don't see many black photographers. Names out there. But that's the the magazines that that's the fall of the gatekeepers. There are so many. Amazing amazing photographers zimmer. Out here presently doing work. I mean you know. I'm not going to start I think about the scribes. Think of how You know Mouse lost and i think about Joshua qc about gosh. I'm sorry i'm like on the spot i think there's so many amazing amazing creators out. There were working Were doing amazing things on their own platforms and you know it's just really up to the gatekeepers to stay. Actually you know. I at this point is like you know. I think it's it's just. You're responsible in tyler mitchell. Also you know so. I think it's just you're responsible for you know these these publishers to not be welp welcoming yay in making this a matter. You know Hiring black photographer as a man of course because there's so many amazing amazingly talented people out there So i am an even people that we work with. So i think you know i would definitely challenge them. Challenge anyone. who's working at it. You know a big publication To think about that because it's not a it's kind of like the conversation that we have with talent rate hiring recruiting Black talent in general. All when you hear them sale it's pipeline issue it isn't could like black hole you know this. The millennial generation what is it. That aren't we the most educated generation you know so far in. I think that there's not a lack of talent. You know there's so many Really really that. You don't need to have an education to be a really talented in in the world by There's so much talent out there and you know it's just are you really looking for are really challenging yourself to stop looking to your left to the community the networks that you are comfortable with To give that opportunity to yeah. Yeah i and i only bring that up because you know the there was that big story with Tyler mitchell who was the first african-american to shoot for the cover of vogue when he shot a beyond say on the cover. And it's what one hundred twenty five history. Yeah that's crazy that in one hundred twenty five years. Vogue has never had a black photographer so shenanigans. I just think that's should is. It's really like you know. Because they were going to the same. The usual suspects you know the the only to the You know to marshal a who all these people are talented. But they were i. You know they had. They had cornered basically locked in Their relationship with You know the powers that be at vogue and no one was being led at At there's so many things that are happening in the publishing industry. I hope that this is this commerce. The one thing that's been really amazing coming out of this conversation. I mean there's so many things amazing things that have come out of the last six months. But i mean look at all the covers that are coming out right now. You know like end so many ambience say is always tapping for example amazing Talent lent her name or platform to think about. I thinking about the british bow. Cover that she just with that on your woman. His name is escaping me right now but i think something is changing. You're starting to realize that they cannot get away with this anymore because everyone is looking and so that is heart. You know and i think that we will hopefully hopefully fingers crossed. Please get to the point where we can move away from. You know these first for things that our lives are surrounded by you know like it's just seems so silly for the first vote cover to have just happened. What two years ago scraping. Yeah it's crazy and we're still hearing about firsts and twenty twenty just blows my mind but yeah. I mean i. I love what you're doing. I think that this conversation is so needed. And i'm really glad to have had the pleasure of talking to you today. Where can our listeners. Learn more about you and the work that you're doing over at getty images Yeah i mean we. You can check out creative insights that getty images that com were talking constantly. You about this work about how visual vocabulary is changing. We've just in review which is really act where aditorial content from news from sports entertainment Throughout this massive lee crazy year. And we're just always talking about this stuff and yeah hope you can keep up with them. Keep up with us there tristen. Thank you so much for talking to us here of at black girls earns. I really appreciate it. You're doing fantastic work over there and It it's really great to just kind of learn something new about the Photography space the stock images space. You don't really know a whole lot about these things when it comes to companies like getty images so i'm glad to have explored This you know this with you today on on the podcast and just thank you so much for sharing your voice ensuring your your words of wisdom with us. It's really appreciated. It was absolutely my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me jinyan. I hope that for you and your listeners. We were able to demystify stock photography industry for sure. Absolutely thank you thank you. The black girl nerds. Podcast will return in just a moment. The hyundai elantra is tech savvy. Smooth operator designed just for you. 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Netflix's call tiny pretty things and it's coming to netflix december fourteenth. And i'm so excited to have the character kayla peer joining me today damon. Gillespie thank you damon. So much for talking with bloggers. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really really excited to be here. Listen this show is insane. I didn't know. I knew some things about ballet because this show is being called by the way everybody for all. The listeners is being called a combination of black a black swan and pretty little things. Pretty little things but i know black swan has some scenes that i can't get out of my head and this show is definitely like that. It's crazy like the journey that this show the characters on so I got to start with the basics. Tell us you know how you got involved. And why did you say yes. The kale kale has very interesting background. So i was actually. I wasn't giving much thought to it just because you get into the point in the when you're auditioning all the time and you know you can't really get attached to a character or a project At least a deep level because you you kind of leaves you to the point where you could get really hurt and let down if you don't get it but once i did actually book the role I remember when we're doing our Our camera. Test and asked him if i could make him from the south. Because i'm actually from the south so yeah and so i was like i. You know i would love to try it out and i did. And then when. I finally booked the role. I was like great. I guess i'm moving to toronto for a little bit. Which is wonderful. Never been and then as we were going to stuff like developing the character in You know kind of seeing what his arm would be The show runner actually told me he was like. I know you mentioned something about him being southern and i was like. Yeah is that okay. And they're like yeah. We want to bring arts of the role. And that's actually. What made me kind of start fall in love with caleb because i'm from the south All the men in my family Like the older men in my family were in the military so kayla comes from a military family so i actually really connected with him Because i i did dance. And i did come from a from that southern background. Yes the military. That was interesting to you. Got you have like a very Physically demanding like feis scene. That's pretty cool that you guys get into Did you bring a lot of Did you have to train a lot for that. Scene was that was kind of like a. Was it a quicker. Seen because what is ms danson as you're doing like crazy dancing that you guys have been doing this will. Actually i grew up. I grew up in martial arts so nine. Okay yeah so a lot of the stuff that we were actually able to get away with a lot more with caleb. Because i could do martial arts so that was actually one of my favorite scenes to shoot It was it was hours of shooting but it was so much fun. Because i actually it may eight made me go back to that moment of like to fight again. You know which is really not the greatest thing in the world. But there's an art to it. And i really. Yeah well that. That was one of my favorite. Actually that's one of my favorite scenes to see you in because it brought a little also like a lot of action stuff. So i like that little moment. Where we we take a little step away from the ballet of it all kinda see the the characters in a different light. So that's pretty cool royal but also your military background as well to not to go too much until the cables back source of. Everybody can count on this on a info for them on the show but There's a lot of scenes with a caleb in the bill play by michael. Rose what you guys have like very cool chemistry so much fun to watch you guys go through these different backgrounds and story development. Because you're dealing a lot with race and not judging each other on preconceived notions. What was that like for you to play that on screen and and to get what to work with michael and that way well it was wonderful because you know oftentimes we we have our own. Prejudices that we don't address in our lives and The interesting thing about kayla was that it about his race it was his religion because Nabil actually you know new bills from france but he is He's a devout muslim. Must what was actually Where calebs prejudice came from which. I actually really respected. Because it was showing that everybody kind of has their prejudices in its you know instead of sitting on them and dwelling on them in. You know kind of letting it guide how you treat people. It's okay why do i think this way. Why do i have these sort of thoughts in my head or whatever in how can i change that narrative in my head to respect someone else and i think it's great because we start to see you know that in a different light not just with not just with race and kind of switching gears a little bit here back to the ballet show like just watching it. I think some of the physicality like as an audience member you start to hurt because start looking at these guys near light man. They're really gonna keep this dance on. We're gonna like they're really gonna do this right and you know they can have missed them. Toe like something is missing On their leg is crazy. So what and. I know. You have a dance background. Did that make it easier for you to come into these things. And i know you touched on a little bit. About how long. Take the film like some of these numbers numbers instead that you gotta do no I also honestly unless you've it kind of sucks because unless you've done long day scenes like that it is you kind of have to learn by experience so in a normal at least from my experience in the normal world you kind of have like a nine to six or nine to six rehearsal day and then you go home But on film you know there's twelve to fourteen sometimes sixteen hour days that you have to film and in those you have to do. What smart for your body. There are certain there were certain times when it was like. Are you get three or four. Takes you you gotta make account you know so because our bodies just couldn't really keep up with it was it's a lot you know and it's it's exactly what you said. You know doing that so many times. It doesn't matter how good you are. How strong you are your body eventually your bones. Your ligaments tendons. They eventually just can't really do anymore. And that's where you get injury We you know we had a little you know. We had a couple of setbacks with injuries in the show a little bit but nothing that was detrimental or that would halt production really And our team. Our everybody was really all of us had had a job to do and we were excited and eager to do it so it was long. It was tough but we did it. We you know we came out on top. Yeah yeah that's it's like just makes me. I mean and not to say that in a bad way because you guys played very well but this is this makes me take a second. Guess if you ever wanted to be in ballet this this show make you think about it true and just like you can't even like you guys like there's a can't have a piece of cheese. I'm like oh. I was going and you know i didn't grow up in the ballet world per say so when i got older i started hearing some of these dancers stories about. They weren't allowed to have certain things in their diet. or like. You know You may you really going to have some fried food. Today i was like jeeze us like really meanwhile have our genes in the world. Thanks my and i can eat fried chicken my entire life and be completely fine. So jealous mad. Actually that really makes him some chicken right now. This is not good. That's not good but that really does make to. You're right now but yeah this crazy like the the diet and the like you guys got to check this out december fourteen. You will not believe like like. I knew some things about ballet but i didn't know it was this d also here. I didn't know the drama that you guys are going to catch when the shows like you will literally be glue for these episode going on like every episode. You think you know but you have no idea and it's crazy so i wanna ask you What was the most. What was the most challenging for you. If you can kind of give us gone. You can't give too much away. But what would you say was the most challenging thing for you think. I'm i think most of the dancing. Honestly like i said because i didn't really grow up in the ballet world. I did ballet. It was more of a secondary style for me. But i think some of the toughest were probably closer towards the end when the little bit more drama going on there's a little bit more emotion behind it. Yes i love my cast so much and they were making me so happy that getting to a a place of like heavy emotion was a little challenging. Because afterward you know i would be like. Oh gosh and then you want to relieve that and so you want to talk with your friends but you can't have to stay focus because you're going to do another tate. Probably the more emotional stuff that comes along with. It was probably the most difficult outside of the dance. Did you guys have any because you mentioned because you got the cast by the way has great chemistry just seeing you guys hang out before a teacher will come into the room kind of a. You can kind of see that stuff probably carried on off camera. Do you have any kind of little funny moments behind the moment that you remember. Oh my goodness. I have so many era. There are costumes in In obviously there are so many different costumes in the show. Yeah yeah there was one day that brennan who plays. Shane embarked who plays orrin on one of the like police officer. Uniforms burst through the the dance studio doors. Hi there ladies and everyone there were dads just like one off the top of my head But my favorite moments were like all of us going out on the weekends like on friday. We had our At our place called fresh. Stephen lays that we i went. I i also tenuously went there and then on the weekends we go. This place called supermarket in like they played the music. So you know we always were. We always finding reasons to hang out at each other. And i think you just name the place i've ever been to vancouver and wanna go because just literally everything i almost now. It's filling in vancouver so you gave me some places that amateur right now. I've never been to vancouver either these toronto. Yeah what might seem inquiry yet but even just one in vancouver making places that you filmed it everywhere. Every place is filming in vancouver seems like nowadays. I totally understand. I'm definitely going to have to make my toronto else. After my and then we'll go to vancouver. Yes absolutely one hundred percent. And then i wanna ask okay. Now when i got to be careful around for spoilers here but caleb has a like a moment where you i mean you might if i love to catcher band when you figure out what he does at the end of the year What i wanna know like your reaction. I don't know if you could give us a few words like your reaction reading this group or knowing what he was gonna do. I had no idea what was coming. So i can give you my reaction when i read it actually. It was just me going. Like i didn't see any of this coming so i was actually in my trailer reading the script. 'cause we adjust gotten it the night before and i was like finishing it in my trailer on set and i like rain across to the other trailer to brennan who plays. Shane and i was like what just happen he goes. I know ryan we were just like freaking out. That's that was my reaction to the whole thing. So yeah and that's very valley. Like i say you guys definitely want to check out. Tiny reaping december fourteenth on net flicks yet is definitely going to have you on edge of your seat wondering if you might want to take up some ballet classes like maybe one hundred percent so now that we have. We've covered that. I want to kind of do a little bit. I have a little pass things. I want to ask you about because i'm a music fan and then i got some wanna kinda throwing here so with the musical from rise. Newsies what i love. I love watching a good musical. What is it like. I know it's not easy for me. Because i saw audience enjoy the fun side at you. Guys have done all the hard work. So what why. Some little water like some behind the scenes details that we don't know how like you know is there like is a difficult blocking there. How long does it take you to move from. One thing to the other in the in the musical a broadway world low. If for filming stuff like the musicals they show longed especially. If you're singing live you know. There's if you're singing live you. You can't like blast the music and film at the same time because of audio so you have an earpiece which and then you have to block out where we can shoot because we don't want to catch the earpiece in the shot and that was we actually were having to do that with With tiny things as well because of you have to get the sounds of the choose on the yeah the ration- and everything of the room but for rise those even the those musical scenes that you would say easily all day of for a two three minute scene easily all day sometimes if it was five minutes easily would take two to three days for our say for like the last episode which is in these musical chose which is normal. Leave the final number or the entire production. Those are like two or three days of the scenes that you have to film and then the rest of it is our Theater and we'll spend a week and a half filming a ten minute scene. They are credible. Yeah that's now doesn't music like i know for us. We love sanjay and just singing the songs. There's a music annoying to get caught. Vegas cutting your hair like for how long those are always wanted to ask. Somebody like doing musical seven broadway. Like how knowing that is because we all living ground by the soundtracks to like whatever. And we're like levin. But i feel like i feel bad for you. I'm like i know they had to listen to this. A the good light. Twenty or more times on broadway or when we're doing it live you. Yeah when you when you are learning it and doing it. that doesn't get annoying. It gets annoying after about months two or three because okay and it's annoying. It's just like you know there's only so much you can listen to exactly. There's a place for us from westside. Fourteen times or arm today. There's only so long you could do that. I don't want to hear it anymore. I just need a break. you know. also job. It's kind of like tuna. Really listen to my job every day. Yeah right right right. Yeah it's crazy hours. That's what we call. You always wanna know those those little behind the ccs. Because like i said. I love good music. I'm like me and with the actors. Was we go through right now with this little because you know we need it now these days especially these days give us like our so entertainment is like yeah. We appreciate you guys. Don't add to bring us thank you. Of course i do. Object to want to talk to you on the music tip. You're working on. Are you working on album right now. In an and. I've seen that you play six instruments is yes ma'am so i so my studio have kind of taken a break sort of from it. I want the. I wanted to learn more about my instruments and so i've been taking the time to written songs before and you know a a you know. I've enjoyed my lyrics that have written by once a really breakdown. How song is written in study jazz music. So that i can ring something that represents me and it's also fun an impressive to hear a and so kind of taken a second to learn about my instruments in what it takes to write a good song in my way. I want to put out an album within either next year or early twenty Twenty two so yeah album but yeah that'd be cool and i bet you have a lot of material with what's going on and i wanted you know i really want to take my time with it and something that represents me and where i came from Just you know. Hopefully it'll connect with people. But that's that's where that is end. The six instruments part depends on if you count bongos and congas as two separate instruments. But if you don't and you just put them with percussion than i play four instruments comfortably which are guitar bass piano and drums. I mean for the bangles. And the congress i can't i can't believe he play them so i mean i don't really know what number i'm going to count them on. I just think that's cool. I would love to learn how to play those the especially the congo. I love the latinos. you know. And it's it's it's one of those things where You know if you if you if you made like if you're in the lunchroom and use kind of like making beats on the table that's kind of where it comes from on the bongos and congas as well as where you start. But i also would love to take some time in dive into really playing that instrument. The way i've done tarn piano this year. I have really buckled down on that. I've i've never been able to do like a piano or guitar. Solo mine entire life. And i've like nail four of some of the greatest guitar solos have written so anytime like this is going to be a co album. Then we can't wait because anytime you you have somebody that series about like nailing down the instruments like okay. This sounds a little cool. You know sometimes you. I'll tune awesome. You like okay now. Going to release it. So he's gonna be cool to like down on the instruments so that'd be dope all right so my last question a nerd out with you on I call on your star wars galaxy edge picture. Now this is what i'm gonna go. I make sure. I say pre covid when still easier to get in and out of disney theme parks so basically. I look for any reason to ask you. What are they saying the mandalorian i just wanna talk about the mandalorian s. That's really what it's all about. I've seen season one. Avid started season. Two yet may see two when you start it okay. 'cause i 'cause season one was awesome. I love one in. I didn't i didn't grow up a star wars fan. I grew up like enjoying it but not really knowing it and rival or the pandemic i. I watched all of the The prequels originals and started the mandal. And then i finished the mandalorian and started clone wars. So have been trying to really indulge my inner nerd on that So i'm excited to see this season too. Yeah i haven't seen that. I heard good things about that. But yeah i was the same as you. I wasn't like you know everything. Star wars everything huge you know i had a respect for it and then when the mandalorian totally when i saw the first season he may need to pay more in jail. Right now is exactly what i was thinking. Maybe i should really really you know. Go back and see what i right. Yeah it's crazy but yeah so. Yeah it's it's really going to like. I won't say anything to you're really likes to oems so excited. I have to watch it now and now and then i'm going to check out war because i very cool things about that too. I had a chance to check it out this long. But it's it's good. I had a washington a minute but The first few episodes that i have seen are actually pretty good. All right well you know. I really appreciate it. Amen thank you so much for joining me and cannot wait the checkout tiny free things calm deportable thank you very much for housing and you guys stay. Save bye bye. 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Trump to further restrict immigration

PRI's The World

46:03 min | 1 year ago

Trump to further restrict immigration

"President trump says he's stopping all immigration. But can he will answer that. Trump's tweet might appeal to his base for many Latinos though and conservative taxes. The president's rhetoric is insulting to see immigrants being portrayed in in such a negative way is just really. I think it's un-american first of all but it's also very hurtful also a secret autonomous region on the Chinese border the wall st. It's run by armed groups and they're clamping down hard at whole area is shutdown army is patrolling the border plus paying to get rid of. Oil and remembering a Caribbean presence in the New York Area. Who has died of cove in nineteen in the morning? Begins Bailey. Show we are getting. Don't be those stories and more today here on the world late last night. President trump took to twitter. He sent out a note saying he would sign an executive order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States with an explanation. Point at the end of that tweet but can he do this? The world's immigration editor. Monica Campbell joins me of what is in the executive order. Monica well we don't know yet It appears that the administration is working out the logistics and a draft of this order All we know so far is that the president tweeted that immigration would be largely stopped into the United States and so much immigration has already been stalled or halted by the trump White House. I'm practically speaking. What more can due to limit immigration? How close to zero is the US already? We're pretty close to zero. Immigration has largely shutdown especially in the last couple of months because of the Corona virus crisis We've seen international air travel largely suspended. the refugee program has pretty much been frozen so has visa processing both for people wanting to enter the United States and for people in the US hoping to change their status. Here in offices aren't processing the paperwork. We have also seen tight restrictions at US borders including at the US Mexican border where all migrants and asylum seekers are being turned away. A lot is being done already to restrict immigration. What we expect this order to fulfill in some ways is to broadcast that out Broadcast out that the US is walling off people who may be technically be bringing the virus that that is you know obviously steeped in xenophobic and racist language That is the more of the spotlight moves to the economy. And how the economy's doing we can expect. That spotlight will shift to blaming immigrants as people who may be threatening. Us DROP SO. This is an order that will double down what the is already doing. And then we'll see what more might be expanded in terms of more restrictions on immigration for Immigration and Customs Enforcement Detention and deportation continued though. And we see the reports of some deportees testing positive for cove in nineteen. So isn't there an inherent contradiction and what trump is doing. He doesn't want foreigners bringing disease here but the US will deport people to their countries. Who Have the illness? Absolutely what we're seeing is that in the immigration detention centers that cove nineteen positive cases of the virus are spreading. Many detention centers are reporting positive. Cases Monica are you able to assess the human impact of what a full stop on immigration. Could mean absolutely for immigrants in the United States. There's a lot of worry when it comes to the administration doubling down on immigration and we've seen the trump administration getting hit in terms of how it's been handling this healthcare crisis and the economic crisis is becoming more front and center. There's the clear tendency within ministration that when the trump administration is having a bad week or a bad month it turns to immigration it doubles down on immigrants and anti-immigrant sentiment so a bad week or a bad month for trump often means a bad or possibly dangerous and life threatening time for immigrants in this country. The human face of this abroad. I've been in touch with family. From China. The parents have work visas here in the United States the two. Us citizen children. They went to China just their work visas and visit family now. They're stuck in China because they can't fly into the United States. The parents are immigrants even though the kids are US citizens. So they've been stuck in China. I talked to the mom this morning. Elizabeth son she was literally just pulling up trump's tweet and this was her reaction when she read a when she read it all night. Goodness as really hard I knew he will make it harder. I really don't know what is going once going to happen. And she says she doesn't know what's going to happen. It's because there's no processing of their work visas. They're stuck in China. They thought it was gonna be a fairly routine adjustment to their work visa status and that they'd be back in the United States and that their kids would be back in school here in California and now their kids are not able to go to school in China and they're doing crazy homeschooling from China in California and this is what the monsaid is just very hard for them staying in China because you know they cannot go to the public school. They don't have Chinese You know these kids are in limbo the whole families in limbo normally. These kids should be in school in California but who knows when they'll be able to come back to the United States. That's the world immigration editor. Monica Campbell President. Trump said his reasons for a temporary halt on immigration are to fight the corona virus and protect American jobs on the surface. It sounds reasonable but we scratch deeper with Alex Roster. He's the Director of Immigration Studies at the Cato Institute a Libertarian think-tank. There is a long history in this country you know. Alex and other countries of blaming immigrants for spreading disease in the case of Corona virus. You've looked carefully at the data. What does it show us? It shows no relationship between immigrant populations on the county level in the United States and either Kobe. Nineteen cases or death swansea control population density. So there's really no evidence that immigrants are the source of the growing infections in the United States and to the question of jobs twenty two million Americans were laid off in the last month. Any one of them could be forgiven. Perhaps thinking yes. Please reduce competition for jobs. Explain why it's not that simple though. What we're taking a look at now is the only people who are really allowed in our low-skilled temporary agricultural guest workers and a handful of others low-skilled Americans are Americans who just unemployed due to the virus are not going to be working in these industries partly because they already have generous unemployment benefits. That would go away once they start working so essentially. The government is pain. A lot of Americans who have lost their jobs not to work so to supply the essential services these essential activities that we need Low skilled or other migrant workers are going to be essential to fill those niches. Is it useful to look at the nineteen eighteen flu which happened in the midst of a large bike of immigration from southern Italy and Eastern Europe to the US? Like what can we learn from nineteen eighteen that you think is instructive today? While nineteen eighteen the government did not respond to the pandemic by closing immigration. In that year we had over a hundred thousand legal immigrants come in the United States. Furthermore a lot of the evidence suggests that that flew in one thousand nine hundred nine started in Kansas. It didn't count from abroad. There are different theories about this. But there's really not much we can take from that directly because there was sort of a homegrown virus so halting immigration wouldn't have done anything back then but even so at that time there is no push policy to halt immigration for the purposes of preserve preventing the spread of the virus. When you saw trump's tweet last night did you take. Its message at face value. I have no choice but to take all of his messages at face value. I think the conundrum that a lot of us are in. I do think that since the beginning of his administration since he started even running for president he wanted to severely restrict legal immigration to the United States. He's done so multiple times through executive orders and executive actions Since his first week in office this is just a continuation of this now to be clear trying to limit the spread of disease across borders is absolutely into legitimate function off immigration authorities in the United States. If this executive order were to do that the now it'd be fine but the problem is the viruses already here. It's already spread around the world. It's in most communities in the United States so trying to hold immigration. This point just won't have an effect Alexander Roster the director of Immigration Studies the Cato Institute. Thanks for your thoughts really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. If you've lived in the Tri State area around New York City and you heard reggae Iraq steady on the radio anytime over the past few decades. There's a pretty good chance you were hearing a set. Dj by Gil Bailey. Today Caribbean Americans are mourning. The broadcast legend Gil. Bailey died of Kovic nineteen last week originally from Jamaica. Bailey was known as the godfather of REGGAE radio. Wnyc's Beth fertig has this remembrance Saturday morning daily show. We are getting down for almost fifty years. Gill Bailey broadcast the sounds of the Caribbean to listeners. Throughout the New York City Metro region and beyond when I start your radio in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. There wasn't no one on Caribbean radio. That's Bailey in a twenty thirteen interview on Youtube. He got his start. A friend at Mount Kisco radio station invited him to stop by REGGAE. Hadn't hit the mainstream yet. Bailey brought it to white audiences and also tapped into the Caribbean diaspora which could only hear the music at House. Parties and bars. We all grew up listening to Gil Bailey at nights Sharon Gordon as a journalist and broadcaster would put the hanger the wire hanger we would put it on a little transistor radio. Millennials will love and we would cut the Radi just so so the hangar could get the signal coming through the window. We could hear Gil through all study. She says Bailey was the first to play new songs by Michael Rose. Beres Hammond Maxi priest. Dennis Brown and more Bob Marley did a song called Smoke YET IN JAMAICA. Now against spam guess and Gill pleaded and I remember going to UTICA avenues. Joe Gibbs records looking for that song and nobody who the song I was talking about. Gordon Says Bailey and his wife Pat who produced his shows promoted more than musicians. Local Caribbean businesses got valuable exposure. Gordon worked for the Bailey's in the early nineties. She says other deejays imitated his style. But some didn't care for it. There were those who that cringed to hear the patois. The rods greetings. You Know Bridge daily often said he was proud of his Jamaican roots and how his shows had an international reach here. He is in two thousand ten TV interview entertaining people all over the word. Deep listens to us in the Caribbean Kiana Glenda Germany. We get emails from all over the world after his wife died in two thousand sixteen. Bailey took a break from broadcasting. He returned with a weekly Gospel show on an am station. His last show was in March. He was eighty four years old when he died and is being mourned at home and abroad for the world. Beth fertig New York City. In general corona virus pandemic is reshaping our lives in extraordinary ways and making us fluent in topics. We didn't even know about a few weeks ago. From antibody testing to the politics of public health to the pain of loneliness we of the world is committed to bringing you essential reporting on a story that is truly touching every corner of the globe. Stay with us here on the radio and in your podcast feed and find more of our in depth reporting uncovered nineteen at the world dot org slash corona virus. That's the world dot org slash corona virus. Just ahead we dip into the oil market in Canada. You're listening to the world. I'm Marco Werman you're with the world you've all heard the strange economic news about oil and how cheap it is right now. If you're in the market for a barrel of crude producer will actually pay you to take it off their hands. This is just a temporary blip in the futures market. In time things are expected to get back to normal in the short-term though negative prices are stressing out a lot of oil producers who've got high production costs Alberta is the heart of Canada's oil industry Kevin Burn with. Ihs market is based Calgary. What is the mood up there right now? Kevin I think there's a lot of pressure nervousness Not necessarily about the trades were occur yesterday but more most of the production here is a long term game which is really the backed on this industry is the oil sands and those producers do tend to see the longer game here but the reality is when they look at prices. It is a game of. How long will these low prices last? Rather what's the drop from day to day basis? So what are the kinds of producers who are in trouble in Canada I mean like oil shale or tar sands or whatever and what difference do extraction processes make in the kind of impact western Canada's facing. Yeah so lesson can is very diverse. In terms of the types of scrapped technologies the majority of the production here is from the oil sands and the majority of the output is a heavy sour crude oil. Each type of extract to technology has its own challenges in low price environment in the ability to throttle back in the large oil sands mining operations have large. Crews you know you're going to reduce those work crews due to health and safety concerns with crow virus itself in the thermal operations you can have challenges reducing output. You need to keep the reservoirs warm if you allow them to fully cool you can damage the Independent. How actually configured they can get some pretty dramatic reductions in production for a temporary period of time. This is something. They can't do indefinitely but they definitely do it for a period of several months to pull back and see some pretty dramatic reductions output. That's what we're hearing is happening. What we expect to happen. Yeah people who depend on these companies for their livelihoods for their jobs. What kind of pressure are you hearing? We're hearing a lot of pressure a lot. I think the realization of how deep this and how bad this is may not be fully appreciated yet simply. Because you're kinda getting a multiple story hit you know you've got the novel corona virus in everybody's told the hunker at home and you're not going to work anyways but the work isn't necessarily there and when we come out the other side you know the industry will not look like it was before they'll not employ the same amount of people may not be the same pull out the other side. There are steps. The federal government is taking a provincial. Government is taking trying to shore up the industry as particularly that service sector providing them clean up of or from wells wells. They're no longer in use and keep the service sector busy to maintain the capacity on the other side. The industry can come out this quicker but certainly industries a lot. Different made a lot of people that are going to be affected. And the reality is we're GONNA see insolvencies in consolidation through this so oil extraction in Western. Canada's expensive And not economically viable unless oil is selling a certain level. I mean could the new normal essentially be the end of the industry? I don't think so prices are going to have to come up at some point It's just not a situation that's normal. That's just not the way the world is once we see reductions stayed home and the current virus passes. We expect a lousy activity to return. It certainly may not look like it was in two thousand nineteen but certainly not going to be where we are today. Kevin Burn analysts with. Ihs market in Calgary. Thank you very much thank you. Now Jor series every thirty seconds. That's how frequently a young Latino in the US turns eighteen and becomes eligible to vote. Today we had to Texas reports Stellar Chavis from K. E. R. A. In Dallas introduces us to a Mexican American teen ready to Graduate High School. East Gone Otas voted for the first time on Super Tuesday in March. He's eighteen and a high school senior. He's gone says he was excited about this key. Moment in his young life teacher told me that first time children voting there were in line Gula gave. We got some first time voters Julia. Nobody's cheering applauding. He's gone says voters walked into the polling location. Pick their candidates and walked out. When I got through like not at all hopes still he got to vote as for those other milestones like prom graduation. They haven't been canceled but they aren't happening in. May the Kobe. Nineteen pandemic has up ended daily life for everyone around the world and for high school seniors like skype. It's denied them of these. Traditional rites of passage including performing this song at his prom went tag. It's Friday night lights in owed to his high school. He's gone and his friend Co wrote it. During football season last fall would be resilient fortunate. You know wasn't able to do that because those kind of like a dream that we add and we've been working at its mixture. You know it can play out like most students. Scott is trying to adjust doing school. Work from home. He connects with teachers via the online APP Zoom and. He's turned his bedroom into his classroom. Escon says it's not as easy as he thought it would be overall. I think it's been pretty hard to study and Detroit to learn something they might just be mixed with like a little bit of the senior ideas that I'm already feeling but I think the loss of scheduled. The loss of routine has really made it hard for a lot of students to stay on top of the work. The for the ESCON talked about the issues. He was most concerned about the cost of college student. Loans in who he would vote for. He liked Democratic candidate Mike Bloomberg but ended up voting for former vice president. Joe Biden in the primary escon says he thought Bloomberg didn't have the support he needed to win the democratic and unlike many other young Latinos he wasn't sold on Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders Biologically some of the socialism. Things that he embraces. I understand that America's though more individualistic East gone listen. Keller a suburb of Fort. Worth known for good schools and good neighborhoods and where the average household income is more than one hundred and forty. Five thousand he says Texas conservatism has influenced him and points out. His parents are actually more liberal than he is. They were Bernie Sanders supporters when it comes to President Donald Trump though east gone and his parents agree. They don't WanNa see him reelected in very difficult and definitely Politics and and and raise. He's is a main topic you know. Obviously I'm not citizen of the US but mostly migrant you know from Mexico in very proud of the culture that semen or does he scans dad. He and Weiss or cheat Ortiz. Sit across from me Scott in their dining room one afternoon in late February this was during my first visit with the family. Those bring to the table here in the US. So I had been definitely very hurt. Seamen or thus tears up escon stretches his arm toward his dad and gives them a fist-bump so chee his mother who was born in Chicago jumps in. She says most immigrants who come to the. Us are seeking a better life for themselves and their families to see immigrants being portrayed in such a negative way is just really. I think it's un-american first of all it's also very hurtful he's gone says even though immigration is an important issue. He's now much more worried about the economy. So he's paying attention to what the candidates do and say. I know that if layoffs continue to to escalate if unemployment applicants continue to rise then it could really start to reflect what is being done but while he waits for November and for stay at home orders to end. Stan says he still holds onto. Hope of having a graduation and prom later this year. Friday night for the world. I'm Stella Chavez in Dallas News headlines are next. You're listening to the world adventurous cooking at home during lockdown. Get READY TO UP YOUR GAME. You can now learn from a three star. Michelin Chef. Not Waste anything and give the right idea of what you can do with leftover food going online to turn leftovers into gold with chef. Mossy Mobile Tura. That's coming up here on the world after a year and a half of political paralysis at last Israel has a government turns out a pandemic accomplish what three elections could not Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his political rival Bennigan's are forming an emergency unity government for three years? The two men will rotate as prime minister. Netanyahu explanation by way of twitter. I promise the state of Israel and National Emergency Government that will act to save the lives and livelihoods of Israeli citizens. Israel has nearly fourteen thousand confirmed cases of Covet Nineteen. Nearly two hundred people. There have died from it. Some on. Israel's left are denouncing the agreement because it allows Netanyahu to delay a trial. He's charged with bribery fraud and breach of trust today is also Holocaust Remembrance Day so At the at the YARD BASHAM HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL IN ISRAEL. Singers and speakers addressed an empty room. Nearly four hundred. Thousand Holocaust survivors are believed to be alive worldwide. Among them she's L. Sikowitz in nineteen forty four on a train to the Auschwitz Death Camp Sikowitz. Father told her to make yourself useful. That's how you survive. She never saw her father again. After the war Sikowitz moved to the. Us became a psychologist married and had three children today. She's ninety three and living in Jerusalem and like many of us is enforced isolation icicle. It's how this day of Remembrance Compares Normally. I would be this time of the year. I would be important because socal to Poland tool company high school kids and we go to all of the sites of care sides of this show and I don't get both the show. I am the what they could write this year for Remembrance Day. Who are you thinking about specifically? Who's on your mind? Always on my mind is my pet. My father vokes for five months in colour mice on two hundred Gdansk Day. That was in diet food other than soup. You trust that in with some. V8's and David brought back to Auschwitz to be ten. Now he's faced or black from the Coles did. They didn't have a chance to watch. And he has a skeleton of any flesh on his bullets and met somebody from my down host and he said today two hundred. Jewish men liberal back to our streets from the core mice fed. They looked and he said to muddle. Risvan be here anymore either. Coattail ninety s sold for as an annual or long. This is my pain that they feel that they're going to be killed by gas. Can you imagine this role that something like this exists and death may happen any moment? In our with that they should take impetus including the gas chamber but it wasn't Know for sure but David no the ad now going through going to the gas chambers and be killed. Susell as you said. You'd normally be in Poland Doing tours of these sites with a young people This time of year. Is it harder to have these memories this year with no one around you to share them with no? I live alone. Holden many years have been living in in is it a came through America. Twenty eight years ago. Nineteen Ninety two and I've been living alone. It's fine for me. I am very active. I've been working. I'm still on a pay it or I still have patient and I have now in this week from the beginning of the holidays. I've had maybe two hundred telephone calls every minute of the days somebody courts to say to holiday into the members of the show And do this mcguirk house. And so I've not alone and they talk to children a few times today in the heads. Thank God vinke wrong wrench and out of good eight grand show. So I don't feel alone and I have a Filipino lady. Who always mcclinton four dollars a day? And she's funded Holocaust survivors Sikowitz in Jerusalem. Thank you very much for sharing your memories and thoughts with us on this whole cost. Remembrance Day Stay Healthy. Thank you very much by. Since the Arab spring in two thousand eleven Libya never settled down to this day. Fighting continues there this week? The UN warned of a humanitarian crisis in Libya. On top of that. There's the corona virus. The world's Lima Condie has our story. The latest round of fighting in the capital Tripoli began about a year ago on one side as General Helluva half tar and his Libyan national army on the other is the United Nations backed government of National Accord after years of civil war. The violence is now on people's doorsteps. Casper involving is a top U N official for Libya continuing to see attacks on a medical facilities. We still experience civilian casualties. As as a result numerous ceasefires have failed to take hold the UN hoped that the krona virus would change that last month the UN Secretary General called for a global seeks fire. That unfortunately has happened. The fighting has continued even escalated in song in some areas. I spoke with me some Brooke. She's the CO founder of Charity Organization called Tripoli good. She's currently studying in England but has been getting calls every day from her family and friends in her hometown of Tripoli. Remember my mom telling me about that additive of ours. Who was hit while they were doing barbecue at night? A rocket in close to them and two of them died and the others are currently in the hospital. Mason left Tripoli back in September than the fighting was bad now. Her family says it's the worst it's ever been. They have these bombing going every day and did not. Even they don't feel tone but they don't have the option to leave because there's nowhere else to go. The Corona virus has made things worse in March Libya recorded. Its first case. Authorities announced a nationwide lockdown. Close the borders Mohammed. Ali is a Libyan doctor on a fellowship at Harvard. He says the country's healthcare system was already struggling before the civil war and before corona virus now and yet when you go to many of the public facilities we actually have to blame the gloves. The antiseptics like you have to bring everything because hostels don't have anything Abbott. Allie says those who can afford to typically go abroad for medical treatment. That's one of the reasons. He founded a telemedicine company that connects Libyan's with doctors at home and abroad. It's called Spe- tower which translates into place of carer now is working with the Libyan government on a mobile APP for Corona virus. There's no much transparency. So what we're doing here. We're giving this kind of trusted tool for the government to communicate the resources that have able to the to the public. Here's how it works. Libyans download the APP and fill out a questionnaire about their symptoms and health history than users are divided into those who are unlikely or likely to be infected. High risk candidates then sent for testing and then use patients will be elected to the testing centers. Which this to them and also informed as the center is a patient. That's coming this is there is defilement Berman. So that ready for them haven't always says a trial version of the APP went live in Tripoli last week. He hopes that will eventually connect to the whole country. Still that's a big task for a country divided and at war. The sides backed government and the forces of General Half Tar. There are rebel factions and foreign mercenaries. Fighting to Dr Inaas. Alan Gob works for the National Center for Disease Control in Tripoli. She says health officials are focused on one thing. He the numbers lows possible to Latin. The Kerr so we don't get a high number patients as suddenly because we don't have the facilities to cover all these patients on God is helping to put the new mobile phone APP into the hands of local health workers. She says it could be a lifesaver for Libyan's living under quarantine. Sometimes when there's a conflict or something that the streets get blocked and you might need go to that hospital or go to make that doctrine because the streets are law. You can't you can't leave your your house. She hopes the new corona virus APP will help keep people at home and limit the number of people going to hospitals because they could be a source of infection but the continued fighting in Tripoli means that for many home is not a safe place to stay in. There's no mobile APP to fix that for the world. I'm Halima Condie. Governments everywhere are struggling to fight the corona virus but what about places without a government? That's the situation. Along the border of China and Myanmar in the mountains air the United Wa State Army is the government for half a million people. They control an area larger than Massachusetts. The world's Patrick Wind tried to find out how the armed group is facing the pandemic. It takes a lot to scare these guys. There's soldiers from an ethnic group called the Wa and the wall have a reputation for being excellent fighters. That goes way back. Even the British empire couldn't conquer them in the late eighteen hundreds when most. Wow were only armed with swords. Now they have thirty thousand troops men and women with modern day weapons. That's from a video of a training exercise. United State Army. The aren't really rebels. They're not trying to start their own country but their territory is technically inside and Yanmar in Myanmar. Lets them run things up there because well no one wants a problem with Wasa holders. Everyone knows they're good at fending off invaders. But what if that invader is invisible and isn't scared of anyone? I reached out to a top officer from this armed group to ask. How are you fighting the corona virus so basically their message is that they're taking it seriously? The whole area is shutdown in army is patrolling the border. That's actually the voice of an interpreter. She she couldn't officer we reached did not want his name or his voice on the radio but he told us look. We are on total lockdown. Here's an official order in their native language to stop all public gatherings took Georgia Vancouver to Dylan. Kunai can kick who to go gun Kuti. It's now almost impossible to get to Wa- state unless you're a native and even they might have to spend fourteen days of quarantine in a little bamboo shelter. The good news is so far. There are no confirmed covert nineteen cases in Wa State. Have there been test unclear but the official did explain through our interpreter. What happens if someone has symptoms? If they think they found someone that might have barris they will send them to a Chinese medical team to get treatment. That makes sense. Most people speak Chinese. The Chinese currency they use Chinese mobile phone networks another source in Wa- state tells us the armed group has checkpoints everywhere now with soldiers in biohazard suits checking people's temperatures in the official. He says they were hanging out based Sanitizing products like a whole jail to their people. Yup I've seen photos of whole battalions with rifles all wearing masks. It's hard to look tough in surgical mask but they pull it off all their medical equipment. It mostly comes from China. Could the why people use more outside help? Probably but when it comes to international aid from say Western countries. There's an obstacle in the past. Da Officials in the US have accused some while leaders of pretty serious crimes. The defendants in this case or alleged to have imported more than one metric tonne of heroin into the United States. That's officials speaking in two thousand five. Wa State used to have poppy fields but destroyed them around fifteen years ago. They're still gone. You can even see this in satellite images from the UN but the reputation has stuck in western countries steer clear of helping the WOK so during this pandemic China is an important lifeline. In fact back in January just a few days before. Wuhan went into lockdown a Wad village on the Chinese border got an unexpected visit. That's Chinese leader. Xi Jinping saying happy New Year he clapped along with Wa- kids as they praised him at a big gathering. It was probably one of the last big gatherings that Xi Jinping was able to attend also ask become. More self reliant. They built their own medical clinics and good roads to get people to help they need. The commanders are also promoting social distancing which is hard because despite their reputation as fierce fighters the Wa have a culture that is really social lots of parties singing dancing picture thousands of watch groups in uniform some with rifles slung over their backs all swaying to the music. Having a black. This is from a video posted online at a recent concert for the troops but now the fun is over the armed group hunkering for the long haul. Canceling parties rationing supplies. That wa official. He did mention that they have one thing that even the United States might envy a healthy stockpile of surgical masks for the world. I'm Patrick win in Bangkok for fifteen years the US air force has kept bombers on the Pacific island of Guam B. Twos B fifty. Two's there to deter China and North Korea. Those bombers are now being polled back to the. Us John Wolfsthal works in nuclear non-proliferation with the Global Zero Movement and previously with the Obama. Administration John Thanks for being with us. What kind of planes are we talking about? So these America's strategic bomber force they're the backbone of the Air Force's strategic capabilities and they are capable of both delivering conventional bombs and also nuclear weapons guaranteed rapid response is hardware to pretty much any conflict in the world in a matter of our so. Why is this happening? According to the Air Force appears to be a shift in strategy For the last fifteen sixteen years it was determined that the United States needed to show its capability particularly towards North Korea and China by permanently. Stationing these bombers in Guam. The assumption now is that these planes are GonNa be returned to the United States. They can be redeployed quickly. In a crisis they could be redeployed for overflights is signaling capability but because these planes are getting older amd because Guam is a fixed target within range of North Korean and Chinese missiles. It really doesn't make much sense to leave them out there sitting ducks anymore. Yes so that last point you made that Perhaps Guam is too vulnerable to Chinese north. Korean missiles is that an overriding consideration. Here so I think it's one of the factors but I think the sense is that because the United States has not been able to achieve its goal of forcing North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons or to force China to back down from its provocative behavior in the South China Sea. I think it's basically a regrouping of our position in a shift strategy where we will deploy these systems if when we need them but just keeping them in the region is rather expensive. It doesn't make much sense in today's world as to the question. Why now does it suggests that the pressure that the US has been applying North Korea? That pressures come to not well. I think that's true whether we redeploy the bombers or not. I think quite frankly. This is probably an economic decision. It's rather expensive to keep these planes deployed overseas for long stretches of time and given the extreme costs of nuclear modernisation. That's going on in the United States The economic pressure that. We're not going to face as a result of the D. perception of not depression caused by cove. It means that the air force simply does not have the money to build what it wants to build and keep these planes won- I think this is largely going to be driven by economics than by strategy. John will stall former National Security Council senior director for Arms Control. Thank you very much short. Thanks for having me. It's not every day that you can learn to make tyranny sue from Italian chef with three Michelin Stars. Now you can muster. Mobutu has gone virtual boy Dan. Yorke ending supported. Keep winning and kick whipping give women get whipping and more muscle pill guests. Extremely Fluffy matures restaurant story of friendships. Ghana in Modina. Italy is widely regarded as one of the best in the world. The restaurant is now closed. During Italy's corona virus locked down so Musi Mo and his daughter. Alexa have been running free cooking classes on instagram kitchen. Quarantine they're calling it but twitter spoke with me from Modena. Look at the past in sixteen. O Six William Shakespeare during the bubonic plague was like forced to be in his room and erode Macbeth and King Layer. So I believe since day one that the these are rare and precious days and we have to do something to deserve them. It's time for you to get deep into your passion into culture into reading into dodging papers and at the end of the day. It's a privilege just to be here. Each serve in our own homes together under one roof that shelter the word. Mosima talion cooking starts with fresh ingredients really quality produce but now with the limited trips to the grocery store how has quarantine change the way? And what you're cooking is about fighting food ways for example. I'm going to present kitchen. Quarantine strawberry fields forever at the strawberry fields forever starts from the strawberry leftovers from yesterday because we did a deserter with marinade strawberry. So they're gonNA became a sorbet. And then we're GONNA use out of strawberry laughter as a source at the bottom and the last one the most beautiful one that we didn't cut yesterday they're going to be caramelized and boot on top so you have a Sosa. Sorbet caramelized hot. One A- and you have a strawberry fields forever fool of flower. It's about not waste anything and give the right idea to families from all over the word of what you can do with leftover food. I gather that in some parts of Italy. A limited number of shops are starting to reopen. Do you have a sense of when your restaurant will reopen? What what does the future look like for sure is going to be one of the last things that gonNA re open restaurants. I think restaurant trenches scanner. We have tables. That are very far one from the other. So it's GonNa be very easy for us to keep the new idea. Janika solution imposition. You know but the things that we have to learn is that we have to learn to keep a and in our everyday with the gloves with Moscow because the viruses there and so we cannot go back to what we had before. So you live in Modina. As I said northern Italy it was really hard. Hit by the corona virus. What does it been like to see a that? You love a place that really defines what you do. Go through something like this. It's very difficult to add to explain that I really. I'm trying not to talk about this kind of south because I I get very emotional to say you know. My wife is American. So should keep reminding me what you can do for your country. Don't ask what what your country can do for you so I'm trying to do my best to help the locals part of the staff every Sundays cooking for the doctors the nurses in the two big auspey though that we have but also we raise the money during kitchen thin. So you know I'm just always positive and I'm trying to not to look at the negative things and the the things that really shocking and the one thing that I I don't know I like to do is I open the window in. Look at the traffic light. That goes a rap and green and red than green. And there's no one there. It's insane but you can hear. Even the alight window whispering. In the middle of one of the most trafficky streets in modern Muslim Burra a world renowned chef in Moda Italy. He streaming live cooking shows on his instagram called kitchen quarantine. Massimo is so great to meet you in here. What you're up to thank you for your time. Thank you the World Broadcast From and Bill Harris Studio at Wgn. Boston I'm Marco Werman. We'll see a back here tomorrow. The world is a CO production of W. H. Boston the BBC World Service and Pierre Ex.

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Emile Hirsch: Into the Wild & Impostor Syndrome

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

56:04 min | 2 months ago

Emile Hirsch: Into the Wild & Impostor Syndrome

"You're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum. Hi ryan how are you. Hi michael how are you so it was good seeing your face. It's nice to see your face as well. I hope everyone is having a wonderful week. And thank you for listening to the podcast. Thank you for continuing to listen. If you're just here for a meal hirsch. I hope you stick around and say hey you know at the same half shit and You wanna stick around a little longer because that would make me really feel happy and good about myself increase self esteem half shit and that's running around my brain cavs shit. I don i try to make sense of it. We'll get into everything after the show will get pretty much right into emile hirsch now Just letting you know. I have a show this coming saturday. July thirty first at two pm and six. pm to shows Go to stage it. Dot com type in sun spin. That's my band. You go go to sun spin dot com and get tickets. Please come check it out. I think you'll enjoy play. some covers. Some originals are cd's out. We've got merged ship. If you're like in the show a love for you to follow us. The handles are at inside of you. Podcast on instagram and facebook. At inside you pod on the twitter you could subscribe to us on youtube to watch these videos or you can listen to them on apple stitcher and other ways the please please subscribe right. A review really helps the show a little show that could and we appreciate that and join the lovely patriot. Patriot helps the podcast. More ways in one. So thanks for being a part of patron. And i love all my patrons and right now the guy was pretty damn interesting You know he's just he's had a really cool career. I mean into the wild and Working with tarantino and working with a lot of big actors. I mean he's done it Lords of dog town. Yeah i mean he's done some pre diverse roles. Yeah i would say This is a really. This is a really good conversation. And i was excited to hang out with him for an hour. So let's get inside of emile hirsch. It's my own listening to inside of you with michael rose by inside of you with michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in from a live studio audience. I took my friends play pickle ball the other day. She didn't have much experience in. She dived for the ball. Lay war dive on concrete. No no she hit the chain link fence but like like superman like or is on a like it but then bounced off the fence in slammed onto the concrete and broder hand while you replying with her. Yeah and like. I knew i wasn't playing with her. She was blamed my friend. Kenny and then i look over and like everyone stops. Doing it starts Broken this phone right here. Which is your index finger but in the handcart and like ours in the was crazy. I don't want to tell anybody. I broke my hand plan. Pick a ball that be a little. Is that what i'm seeing like. I went on your instagram. And i saw like your join. The first pro-am celebrity tournament november's out what that is for pickle ball. Yeah which is funny. Because i go over to randolph house. Just a game. And he's like jones just says as guiding. I'd every vertical or that. now randoms randall. The director of midnight in the switch graphs. now randall's the director midnight I've known for you know he produced lone survivor and then he released another phone. My did so i. i don't have for awhile character. He loves link. Google he likes. He's super competitive about. He hires froze to come to his house and train him like like a brutal on him in like brutal drills. Like oh come over. And he's like thinking some product. Wait wait wait right. Your friend randall. Who directed midnight in the switch grass. He he grunts after he hits. He's one of those guys that when you watch tennis and you see them go on every sir not just. It's like a like a is like some sort of release every time. Like i always find that so funny i mean i played tennis my whole life and i would suck in grunts. I'm not grunting on that making any noises male tennis player. If i would have grunted more. I don't know. Would you ever tell guys like a little like you. Try to not moan as much on the court. i'm uncomfortable. Yeah it's really like it's kinda like affecting mcclay yeah it's loud and it's distracting so stop. I mean you've been in everything i mean. I look at this list of movies in an incredibly jealous mike into the wild girl. Next door lord's dog ten lone survivor comeback trail once upon a time. A hollywood milk killer joe. It's like you've done all these movies. I think if i did one of these movies i'd be frigging thrill. My parents would be very happy. That i did. Something accomplish something and now midnight in the switch grass. So you play this detective and i saw the trailer for it and i wanna watch because this looks intense. Shits got megan fox and robert. Deniro bruce willis bruce willis well and he looked like robert deniro. What was it was like a netflix. And what what's the movie about. So it's it's like a serial killer movie where i played the kinda of the good Good guy cop just an honest dude. A real religious guy ends on his vice to give them that real spiritual sustenance from the brutal job. he's trying to crack cases just really hard to crack. And so it's sort of a you know like on attracting killer attracting the cops trying to get the killer is sort of converged at a certain point and i know how much research you do on roles and stuff did you. Did you do a lot of research. I mean you already done researches another will. I feel like because i did so much on lone survivor to play a navy seal. The in a certain way a lot of the law enforcement roles. I've done afterwards definitely feel like i pulled from a lot of that research. I did just because i did a lot on that one. And so there's something about that you kind of. Don't forget a lot of it. Just the general vibe. It's interesting talking about this the other day. Where because of the way like net flicks and all these these true crime documentaries. Were you know like people have done a lot of research and they don't even realize like we've watched most average viewers at least if you watch. What's in his eye guys. There's so many of these true crime things. You know the european exposed. You've heard a lot of homicide. Detectives talk in interviews more than you think. Yeah i love seeing lukas haas because he he's a great guy and i know you're a good friend of his i. I know for years as well and it's good to see him. He's such a good actor and you don't see him enough. You just don't for some reason. I wish you would. I know. He does a lot of indies and things like that but seeing him in a role like this. I'm just like just that dirty kind of dark role. And i don't know where it goes. I know they're trying to you. Know you see the trail and you're thinking one thing. I know it's going to be something else by. It's exciting to see that. I'm sure it's exciting to you as a friend of his. Yeah i mean. I've been friends guest for ever. We worked together on alpha dog Sixteen seventeen years. Seventeen years ago and i was a big fan of lucas. As just can't i mean remember. He used to rent his movies at the store when i was a kid. And you know lady in white witness an all these all these movies you he was like like a big deal even just So to get a work with him and be friends with them after all. These years is pretty cool. And i felt like his role was so interesting because he has such a baby face kind of innocence to him and seeing that kind of used for the darkness of the part i thought was a was just like aside from being extremely talented in great in the movie. It's also just really smart casting to the big. You know so. Gordon bit cards are well. Cast and i felt like that was a surprising. Surprisingly good choice for that particular art for him. You know united. I've seen a lot of interviews with you. And all the people that you've worked with. And i and i would comes into my mind is d ever get starstruck. I see like it is a shot on the comeback trail with like deniro behind the camera. Giving the off line off camera lines to you. And i'm thinking that's got to be the most surreal thing. I know you've probably used to do well. Do you get used to it. And do you ever feel good. I sucked in front of one of the grades. I'm sucking im sucking. I can't get it. I'm getting i don't really. I don't think i get used to it. I remember like my first on backtra. were deniro. I was already really prepared because it was seen with. Just lots of lines just rattling off nonstop. And i was still so nervous. And then he and then we started the scene and he was just like came guns blazing lake all every word on point too so i was like oh my god and i remember i like i dropped a q. And he was older than you say. That and i was just like oh my god like i forgot a line with deniro literally the shame i was like on a godly. Just like i was like dude on link thirty six. this is ordered I remember i went back to my trailer. And i learn my lines like so well. There's no way i'm ever gonna let him like like. Remind me of mike hugh ever so you just lifting and goes in. You missed the line of that in there. And i was like all my ol- mike god it was such a. I don't know. I mean he's so good it's crazy is really good while iran any even with like tarantino i was like i don't think i've ever been around anybody around quinton. What's his personality. Like i mean is it like you see on the. We're gonna do great. He's basically quinton. I mean he's always quick. I was just. I was such like following devoted. Fan is ever that i'm just i was just like was like having a cold leader around or something i was just thinking you know. I don't know it's like. I grew up watching his movies so much that he you know. It's like i just can't i. I tried to treat them like regular. Just call her. but i just couldn't couldn't. You're on. I think could but i just couldn't do it. What kind of direction did he give you. Do you remember specific direction. Like the way he was acting was it was very helpful that he knew exactly what he wanted. Yeah i mean. I remember early on get a feed through and i was kind of playing. Jc bring more. As like what. I would see in little video clips of him. Where sort like a kind of a calm kind of laconic jr our guy. So i did that in the redrew of bradley. Leo burt reynolds at the time. It was like all these crazy. Awesome margot dakota fanning End e called me afterwards and he was like you know he basically gently only that i was on the wrong at so he basically was like i'm is this isn't a bio is like you can have fun with the lots. This is this. Is like this tarantino dialogue. you can you can. i'm giving you permission to be more flamboyant. it was like jason gay. He's not gay but he's a flamboyant guy he's like you can bring that side of your soul. He's like. I'm giving you permission to have onto enjoy it. Be more flamboyant in his soon as he told me that really i was like i went back and i read the scenes away that i had laid them in the read through and i was like. Oh my god. What did i do. I totally zun as he told me that i completely understood what he wanted in every line made sense. Oh trying to like bit square peg into around all. Because i was taking these preconceived notions of what i thought. Gee see bring was exactly like based off some video interview and you know sometimes in order to kind of get to the trend of a scene away. It's written you need to like not adhere perfectly to your preconceived notions of what it should be. Well a lot of times you hear these horror stores and it's happened hasn't happened to me but it's having some friends who are famous that they'll do table read and they just for some reason the producer and the directors like now this guy's fucking completely off and they just fire him. I mean it was nice enough for him to call. You know you do this. I just know what you're doing. You're playing it. More like a bio pic. You need to play it. Like how man. I remember when i first got that call. I was like oh my gosh. I like literally was driving. I like old like waiting for the bomb. Drop okay okay. It was pretty funny. Have you ever had job. He's definitely the one that i would i. I couldn't i couldn't treat him like an overdose to start. Have you ever been fired off a job now. While i have while i was shooting. I think i've lost hearts. They had like given me. I like they took them away. That's for sure that god you said in an interview that as you feel like you've forgotten at all when you get onset like you question everything and then it takes you to like a day or two. How does that work after all these movies. You just feel like sometimes you go back on set and you're like you know how to do this. Explain that it's weird. It's on the second irrational ear or something that basically before almost every single job i do in thurs like more than a week between a job or something. There's a point where i'm like men. I don't know like do this. I don't and it's like there's a part of me on mike will. You've been through this before you do know how to do this. You'll get on saturday. You'll do it and that's like you're saying in but the belief that i can't do it is is like real. I mean it's like they're do feel serves as it nerves. Do you feel like intense. Like what is that in tens anxiety and also more than just the actual like thinking of like. I don't think it got on. I don't really. I'm up to this and so weird thing and you crazy it is right. You know your logically. You're smart guy so you're thinking i've done this i've killed. I know what i'm doing. So why am i feeling like this. I know it's the weirdest thing. I don't know i i talked to a couple of actors that kind of they're like you have that ju- beard thing i don't know it's probably disordered nerves or just sitting around with which to think about I don't know that. I almost wonder if like when you stop fiedler if i were to stop feeling that way almost wonder if late something would get stale or i wouldn't be excited or you know because you only get that way if you care like if you don't care at all you're not gonna be like do this. You're going to be like. I don't care about acid inside of you is brought to you by hellofresh. I'll tell you what what if you could make delicious healthy meals and you can put put them together and it's already put together for you. 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