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2020 Kid and Family Tech Trends

Family Tech Update

04:38 min | 1 year ago

2020 Kid and Family Tech Trends

"Here's how kid online media. Trinh's have shifted over the last few years. Hi Michael Princeton because family dot Org and family tech blog DOT com. There've been a lot of shifting 's and movement in kid technology and media over the last several years. A lot of stuff has shifted and changed since cove in nineteen and this new crisis. That has come on us. That have kept kids out of school. But there's some things that were happening beforehand that I'd like for us to spend some time on. I'm going to be talking about. How Cova nineteen has shifted things with kids and media in a future article but for now. That's focused what was happening before all of this started. First of all games have been shifting from just a time to spend entertaining themselves for kids to have time to spend online with friends. Games like roadblocks have one hundred twenty million users to companies worth four billion dollars. This an APP that has built a space for kids to hang out with each other. There's even stories during this cove in nineteen crisis of kids and spending time like recess in between class times in roadblocks also in minecraft or four nine and other places so these Games are shifting to focus on playing. Socially kids are a fairly new audience for a lot of online companies. And they're having to discover new ways to attract kids. There are companies. Who Haven't really paid attention to attracting kids for a long time. That really now are doing so. A good example is net flicks who has had kid content for a while. Now and a whole kid profile you can create so that they don't end up seeing adult shows and films that they either shouldn't see or just wouldn't be interested in see the reason this is so interesting is because not only are companies discovering ways to attract kids but they're using kids to drive their innovation. They're using kids and the way kids used technology to help them get more creative and come up with new things to do with the software that they are creating kids. Don't see a big difference between their lives online or using technology and the time that they spend offline they're actually hanging out with friends so they're able very easily to spend time playing a game or in a game world like minecraft or roadblocks with their friends online and get a satisfaction of sorts that they've spent time socially with their friends. Kids are missing their friends right now. During covert nineteen but many of them have already had this experience of spending time with their friends online so their messaging my kids are using facebook messenger kids and facetime all the time to chat with their friends and family that they aren't getting to see now. I'm one to admit that spending time with family physically is just far better and I'm very much desire that above any kind of chatting online but right now during this time. That's what you can do is spend time on facetime. I and my wife. We're struggling a little bit. But our kids they can jump right in to spending time with friends and family online a lot easier because they've already been doing it so the socialization of gaming kids becoming this new audience it's causing companies to have to focus more on security and privacy for kids and you're going to see that become a major thing in future continue to become a major thing in the future moving forward when the world starts to open back up and it's very interesting so That kinda concludes this first. Little look at the way. Technology was shifting and changing before this Kobe. One thousand nine crisis began in the next article. We're going to talk about how it has shifted and accelerated kind of because of Kobe. Nineteen and the quarantine so a lot of the information that I'm going to be using these next. Few articles has come from tech crunches interview with some leading kid. Tech Industry analysts and people who run these kid tech companies and so. I'M GONNA put a link to that in this article. I would love to check that out so thank you very much for listening and for watching. I'm Michael Preston. Because family DOT FAMILY TECH BLOG DOT com. And we'll see you next time bye bye.

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TIP243: Tobias Carlisle - Creating an ETF (Business Podcast)

We Study Billionaires - The Investors Podcast

46:03 min | 2 years ago

TIP243: Tobias Carlisle - Creating an ETF (Business Podcast)

"You're listening to T IP. How's everyone doing out there on today show? We bring back our close friend to be to talk about all sorts of investing topics. For example, we talk about value spreads. We talk about what it's like to set up your own exchange traded fund or ETF and the underperformance in value picks. Just the name a few of the topics. Toby is the best selling author of multiple books, and he's got an expertise in back testing and mixing value and momentum strategies. He's the founder of the acquires multiple and always a crowd favourite on our show. So without further delay, we bring you the always thoughtful to bias Carlisle. You're listening to the investors podcast. While we study the financial markets and read the books that influenced self made billionaires the most, we keep you informed and prepared for the unexpected. This episode of the investors podcast is brought to you by sip recruiter. Hiring is challenging Preston. 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I'm your host Preston pitch in is always accompanied by my co hosted broder Sohn, and we got our good friend, here with us Toby car. Allow from the acquires multiple as part of our mastermind group. Toby, welcome back onto the show. Thanks so much guys. I love being on the show. I miss this is a special one for me. So I'm excited to be on. I'm very glad to be open to you today, dude. We're always so pumped to have you on here, and we always just have so much fun chat with you. So you're doing something really cool here and Stig. And I just work cited discount. Pick your brain on it, because we don't know a lot about what it takes to set up your own ETF. And that's what you're working on right now. So I'm kind of curious through some of the mechanics. I'm sure this is going to be really interesting for people to hear what it's like to go about doing this, but before we go into some of that stuff I want to talk to you, because there's people that are joining us, and they might not know you. From our past episodes or whatever. So let's just quickly go over some of your fundamental core beliefs, which are all rooted in value investing Warren buffet style value, investing if you had to describe deep value to a person in elementary school. How would you describe it to somebody in fifth grade the way I always like to describe, it's a buffet looks full, wonderful companies at fair prices. So he's looking for good business, and he has a special definition of a good business, which is wanted ends a very high return on invested capital to invested capitalist. Basically the capital in the business that it needs to run its business. So they often have some exists that might have a little bit of cash that need. I could Pat as a dividend or I might have some capital, they can grow with. But you can perform an analysis and there are several different ways of doing it to really get down to the core of the business, and find out what sort of capital it needs. And then how much income it's generating from that Nazi return on invested capital, the higher, it is the better that sort of. A company that's much more profitable dollar invested in it. That's better than another company that doesn't end as much. That's what makes it wonderful. And then what makes it a value investment is you have to sort of see if the earnings and the assets. And the cash flow is something that you can get for reasonable press. What's a reasonable price will it depends on lots of different things interest rates and the risk of the business that basically cheaper is better. So you wanna pay less for the income, and otherwise. And that's, that's what buffets trying to what I try to do. And what makes it deep value is the businesses that I'm trying to buy aunt good businesses. They tend to be there. Okay. Businesses fair businesses. But they're available very cheaply. And the reason that I like to do that is I have done some testing of done some quantitative testing. And in my estimation for somebody with my skill so buffet as an incredible genius. And he's been doing this for a very long time, but a graphic memory, I don't have those things. So I do it in a different way. And when tested a find that my way, does at least as well. Joe Greene blood airy famously wrote this book called the little book that beats the market, one of the most successful value investing books ever written. He describes in his magic formula, which is this sort of quantitative version of what Buffett does wonderful companies at fair prices. So when I wrote a book in two thousand twelve called quantitative value, we tested that idea. And we found that, that did in fact the market, and we do all these things to, to make it hard for it to work when we tested, we found that did in fact, work. I have my own version of that, which is called the acquires multiple. And basically, I just took away the quality metric the return invested capital. And when we test that we find that, that does even better, again, than the magic formula, and the reasons because most businesses aren't the sort of very high quality, businesses, most businesses have a cycle to them. And so what you wanna do is you want to buy them at the bottom of this cycle when that cheap, and then you get the improvement in the business, and you get a closing between the discount to the intrinsic value, and the price. And so you get both of those things you do a little. It better. If you're in the magic formula. Sometimes you buying stocks at the top of the business cycle that look, shape even though what's going to happen is that the business is going to start doing progressively worse over time. And then you've you might have paid too much. So that's a sensually the difference that I'm trying to buy fair companies wonderful prices where buffet is wonderful companies. Fair prices. Thank you for explanation Shoghi. So keeping that in mind. Please tell us about your new company, and you knew Tf the new firms called acquires funds, and it's going to be focused on the acquires multiple and I wanted to stop specifically tailored to the individual investor. And so the first thing that we're doing, but the only thing that we're doing is this deep valley strategy that's based on my acquires multiple and we're putting it into an ATF ETF is called the acquires fund. The tick is going to be zig G as in, you should zig when the market, zags, the idea, basically, is to take you have the website acquires multiple and. Puts up these stock screens, all the time people can come and subscribe, and get the ones that cover the entire market or this free version of it. That's just the largest thousand stocks. So the fun offend people using it at the time, and they have it is hard to rebound. It's hard to use the fund touchiest screeners and tax issues to worry about. And you've got rebalancing all those things quite difficult to say I've often had people ask, if I could put the strategy into an ETF of finally got around to doing avoided until now because I've had this view that the market is very expensive. You and I often talk about that. We're of the same mind about the market itself being very expensive. I look at the market, but I'm a value investors on mostly concerned about undivided stocks and I'm trying to put those sort of positions in my portfolio, but one thing that I don't often talk about on the show, but one thing that I do is, too short, I think, in a market, like this, where valley spreads a very wide, and we can talk about what that means in a little while. But basically the overvalued stocks are unprecedent. Overvalued. I've reached this level of, and they're all the, the sort of the ticky, kind of businesses that you expect at losing lots of cash, the issuing stock to stay afloat raising debt, not the kind of stocks that as a failure invested that I would buy. In fact, the kind of stocks it'd be sure you're not talking about tesla, are you? That is one of my show. I kinda like Ilan Maas I think that he's a great entrepreneur grad businessman. I've got this quantitative approach to valley. I've got to look at the financial statements. When I look at the financial statements, it's a short for me, and we can talk about why don't little bit. I think we're at this unique or this very rare point in the markets where spread is so wide between the overvalued stocks and the undervalued stocks, just because undivided SOX have been completely left behind valley's underperform NAFTA coming up on ten years. The money's been falling to growth. So because I'm a value guy. And I'm a contrarian I wanna bet on main revision my feeling is that of the next decade of the next five years. Next three years, it's more likely that, that spread starts closing and often the way that happens is the overvalued stocks going to become Lissa value, and that's going to happen. Probably in a dramatic fashion, and the undervalued stocks are probably going to become a little bit more undervalued to, but less once that sort of market has cleared. It's going to take off. Do you think the rice? Of each apps or the primary reason for the disparity that really seen here for value. Stocks that's been on the performing for quite a few years because so much capsule of being pumped innings she apps and many of these apps the following index of whatnot, and that's just not devalue companies that would then be popped up in price. It's not so much ETF's in and of themselves, it's not the Rapa, it's the fact that the tracking these indexes. So the passive indexing main set, once a company gets big if it's the in the s&p five hundred or the Russell one thousand or whatever the case may be as it gets bigger to trek small capital. And so they know the price they ignore the valuation. And so the money flows into those kind of positions, it's not ETF itself because the could be like my ATF where iming for a huge active share in the I'm trying to make a bet that is very different from what the passive index looks like what that means is that it's going to be 'have differently to those passive indexes like this and P five-hundred for many if. Loss, is of the last decade that would have been a bad thing. It would have underperformed in any given year, and it would have underperformed over that four period. But when the market gets his dislocated as it is now with over valued. Stocks vary. Valid undervalued stocks much cheaper relative to as valid Stokes. It's much more likely that, that get close. And you get some good performance out of that. If you're a value investor, I'm kind of curious to hear your thoughts on this one, because what I'm seeing and a lot of the filters that I use that financials are extremely undervalued right now on fact, they're all through the filters that I'm looking at from value. Investing standpoint, couldn't agree more. So my portfolio is we're recording this before the actually launches, but I done -ticipant that they'll be my portfolio just doesn't change very much because it's pretty boring stocks. But I can tell you right now there's a lot of commercial banks in the there's a lot of insurance. Capital markets is represented in there. It's all sorts of things that they just haven't really kept up with the market over the loss, ten years, it's been a bad decade for those stocks. Because the dick before then it was a very good decade for them. And I got smacked in the financial crisis two thousand seven to two thousand nine and I think people are very wary of them. Now, what has happened is become pretty good valley. Now, I think this sort of deep value names. So I agree with you one hundred percent. You mentioned the value spread before Toby. What is that? And how do you think through finding evalu- spread the traditional way of doing it was this academe ick way of looking at price to book? You have the most of lead companies, which have the very highest press book, so that could be, you know, they might trade at many multiples of their book value, which is basically their assets. Once you back at the liabilities it, see, accounting, equity value of the company, and in the very cheapest sort of traded some fraction of their own book valley, the way that I'll do it is because book valleys become a less useful metric, Vitton. There've been changes to the accounting standards. It's not as good. It's also it's the traditional kind of quantitative approach to measuring valley. So it's the valley factor, but I don't really think that it's a great representation evaluate prefer to use these the. Acquirers multiple primarily, but I will say is all of these other compasses of these value metrics, which gives you a better understanding of whether a company is over valid undervalued. And so we look at a spread of those two we can take a universe, and I can look at Sadie SNP fifteen hundred which is the largest fifteen hundred stocks covers about ninety percent of the stocks by market capitalization. And that's the universe that I drew my picks from all the and I can rank them in sort of ten different groups, and I have the most expensive group is the most expensive one hundred and fifty according to a variety of these metrics, and the cheapest ones the cheapest one hundred and fifty and I've been able to track the relative valuations of those two groups over time, and I've got wider, and wider, and wider pot is the value stocks just get left behind and all of the love goes to those really overvalued is a lot of biotech in. There's a lot of tech, the sort of stocks that story name, semi-good headlines people love to be in them because they, they can pop. But as a group over tire. Don't do as well as the undervalued socks. Just we've been through this unusual period where it looks like value investing doesn't work, and it looks like the evaluate Stokes, where you want to be these unusual periods happen, every now and again that happened in the run-up to the dot com. Bubble happened regularly before then, including in the run-up to the great depression, and the stock market crash of nineteen twenty nine so at this point in the market, where is only three times when the spread has been wider. And that was in the last legs of the run up in nineteen twenty nine and the last nine nineteen ninety nine the last year, the dot com boom before the bust. So I think that basically, we're in this market, which looks like those without any sort of it's hard to point to what is really driving their tech names in there. But there's a lot of stuff that's just overvalued that you don't want on probably ideally want to be a little bit short because it gives you a little bit of a cushion, if the market comes off, it's better than just being long only, I think a lot of people are in our audience understand what an ETF is. I'm kind of curious because you have some experience with mutual funds. Talk to us about the difference between a mutual fund and the. Tf why wants more superior than the other and whatnot? I'm just kind of curious to hear your pitch way launched and shutdown a mutual fund pretty quickly in two thousand sixteen. I think it was in the reason was, it's very hard for an independent manager like me to get a mutual fund onto a brokerage account that somebody else can buy, it's they big players have sort of created these rules and make it very difficult for small independent shops. Like to get their products in whereas an ETF sick convinced that problem because it's treated like a stock you can go to your brokerage account, you can pull up the Tikka, and then you can buy some like you buy company like you buying any sort of stock that you wanna buy out the that's one thing that makes them a better product. Is that the easier to invest in the other thing is this tax? So if you own a mutual fund and the manager does some buying and selling inside the mutual fund that can create capital gains tax for you as a holder, even though you haven't tried the mutual fund in an ETF provided that the PF is managed. In the right way. Those capital gains leaked out through this special process called custom basket, create redeem basically, it's not that complicated. But it's it's sort of a little bit beside the point, basically all you have to know is that the capital gains get at to you through that structure. So you just have you by ten dollars any Ciller fifteen dollars in your capital gain. It's the difference between the two you don't have to worry about what the manages doing inside ETF. So Toby, guess what? We all thinking is. How do you expect your new after perform? We talked about multiple times you on the show with you that the market is overvalued. What's a good balance view on the expected performance of the Jeff that would be the question that I would ask, how can you have these two thoughts in amount? One is that the market is very overvalued particularly for US equities and the other is that I think that value is going to do well, relative to the market. But I think that long short valley, which is what I'm going to, which is what the fund does is going to do very well. And the reason for that. Is that one of the things that I've learned over a long period of time in the markets is that investing strategies idiosyncratic? They do things that the market doesn't fewer value investor in, in the late nineteen nineties, a terrible time to be value invested, because you underperformed, while the market was taking Warren Buffett and a lot of other value. Investors would down of that period while the market was up many times, and there was this catch period through the early two thousand value just being long, just earning. Undervalued names, you're actually went up while the market was falling. I don't necessarily expect that to happen, this time around, I think, more likely what happens is that the undervalued stocks, get a little bit more undervalued, but I think that the overvalued stuff is gonna crash hod, and I think that the market is probably going to crash, along with it. So basically, you want to have some sort of short protection in this, somehow you could do it. If I was to run just a long only you could go. And then short something yourself, you could show an index that was Representative of was drawn from the same universes. Stocks. That I'm trying to buy long, that would be typically followed way of doing it, but I think that if I and find individuals shorts that worse than the average stock, and I think that they will go down more than the average stock. Then I think that you can get more cushioning from the shorts that I put in for things like so my shorts are no secret that it's tesla because I've talked about tesla and pas. That's one of them it's one of those stocks that it brings out a lot of emotions and people, I think the cause of beautiful. I think Ilan musk is a very good entrepreneur. The financial statements the way that they are not just sort of ignore both. I know the lungs and the shorts and I look at the financial statements and the financial statements say to may this is a better bit as a short and this little bit of time to go before this podcast comes out, so it's possible that I'm out of it because I'm very risk averse with the short so come into the portfolio. They're very small one percent at inception, and then we rebalance some regularly, because we don't want them getting too big because that's a risk. But as a portfolio those shorts provide a little bit of ballast to the rest of the longs in. The event at the market goes down. So the other stuff that I've had in that for a long time Snapchat snaps. Just one of those, I think, sort of emblematic of what has occurred, it's not as good as Instagram, it's listed by itself. It's one of those things that I think it has been a better show than it's been a long, and it's been going down for the most pun, so Toby, I'm kind of curious how when a person would look at the because you're doing some shorts inside of your ETF. So how much of a percentage, if a person would get involve with your ATF? How much of that is being short how much of its long value, talk to us a little bit about that. Basically, there's two portfolios. That is fully that one hundred percent long undervalued stocks, and that's the process that I often talk about on the show with the guys look for deeply undervalued stuff. And in fact, the long likely to be names that are discussed on this show over a long period. Thompson Macron, discuss lots of times feared cross the of disgust HBO assured Guaranty was when I discussed the longtime ago and I've discussed I think. Tessler is assured before. So I don't think that anybody who's been listening to your show for a long time and head appeared, it will recognize all of the names like loyal to the teams that are really like and so they're likely to be in the basically what we've done is we've created two portfolios. There's one that's just one hundred percent long. It's sort of, and if you, if you use the acquirers, multiple website, and even if you're afraid that you're going to recognize some of the names of I put in that, that's exactly how I my process is used that screen that sort of my candidates for the portfolio, and I do a valuation on, on the and try to find things that are undervalued the way that I like to look at the valuation, which is a deep valley guy. And then I also did this forensic accounting diligence. I call it. So they're just things that the numbers in the financial statements, don't capture. And it's necessary to go and have a look at the management discussion. Take a look through the safe there things like underfunded pension liabilities. I think that they're transitioning the financial times, but they're not there yet. Very so the things that should be included in evaluation. So that process is partially ton with some Shane. Ending which is very buzzy right now. But that's a good way of just picking out the issues using using a computer to do that. And then I look at it, and I know I was a mergers and acquisitions attorney for a decade in Australia. And in California's San Francisco pot of doing that, if your journey, you start out, you do a lot of due-diligence that means they send it to a data room, you sit there and you look through a whole lot of documents. And so that's sort of what I spent a lot of my junior or doing a still doing this study to look for the stocks to make sure there's sort of nothing hiding in no mines in the positions. We use a service that pulls these out for us. The process in entirety is sort of quantum mental, it's not quantitative which, again, a quantitative process, you might have a very large folly might have hundreds of different names in no human being interferes. With the process from start to finish the computer picks the stocks, and they appear in the portfolio, that's not what I do. I have a quantitative screening process that pulls out the names, and that those screens you can see on the. Multiple website. That's where that process starts in this evaluation. And then there's this diligence that are using off the shelf service pulls out. All these little interesting tidbits, if I put in a ticket tells me about the company and then has to be put into the valuations, but typically what we're trying to work out is the financial statements. I favor presentation of what's happening. Does that describe the economic reality of his business and often you find that the financial times misleading they may paint a very pretty picture? But the underlying business isn't doing that. Well, and the way that you would, for example, the way that you would find out something like that accounting profit to going very well, and they are increasing every year. But the, the cashflow is negative and growing worse every year. So that's not uncommon. That's tesla that I'm describing there. If you look at tests, cash flow, every time tesla sells more cars loses more money tests that I think you see that in the financial times, you don't actually have to dig into the management discussion to see that one. But that's, that's the John. I want the economic reality of the business, and I need to understand that before I can do value. Nation. And so once that is understood it's understandable, and that becomes a position that is either longer showed. And sometimes, you'll find these things that are very overvalued. Gotta misleading trend in their earnings relative to their cashflows, issuing stock to stay alive, or they're borrowing stay alive and inside, as a selling all of these sort of things signals that you don't want to be long. So just to summarize, if you put in one hundred dollars into itty f how much is long and how much is short. It's one hundred thirty dollars long and then it's thirty dollars short Gotcha. And the reason for that, so that you could construct a market neutral version of this, where you have one hundred dollars long, one hundred dollars shore or one hundred ninety dollars long, one hundred ninety dollars show, the reason I don't like to do that. So I do think that over time the stock market tends to make money from even at very overvalued points. If we look forward, ten years with still likely to be slightly up from where we are now where the market is now it's not predicting negative scientists. Addicting very low positive returns. We don't want to be short low positive for tense from hey, you wanna be long though. So that's the one hundred percent portion and then there's the as a thirty thirty long short in, and that's the arbitrage between the spread. So you've obviously done a lot of back testing on various strategies. Have you found that when you implement this long by one hundred and thirty short by thirty that you get the best or most optimal results, is that why you kind of gravitated towards that ratio will, it's a balance between being aggressive and wanting to generate as much performance possibly can. And at the same time, I'm a reasonably conservative, God one thirty thirty would be regarded, I think most people so it's largely it's like being long the market with this, he thirty long show portion attached to it. It's probably a little bit more aggressive than being long only, but it's not a super aggressive. You can find two times three times leave it versions of most strategies out. They're not getting that long. Even in a market neutral position. Because. Most of things can happen. The spreads can blow out further democracy is always about to do something that you've never seen before. And I try to run as conservatively as possible, so that if we're talking about this in twenty five years time, and I hope we are investors podcast is, it's on channel on. On my TV, and I get to come on occasionally. I'm hoping we get to talk about it then. And I'm hoping that it's still going and it's survived because that's really the name of the game, particularly in value. Investing is survival because the rough periods can be very rough. But you need to be there for those very I have been very brief. But for the good times when they come along, and I can't really ever predict when they're gonna come. Well, you know, when we did our thing in New York with west gray, I think Lee, remember, west saying, you know, the reason value investing continues to work overtime is because there's periods where it doesn't work. That's exactly right. And people give up on it, and I thought that was such a great way of saying. I think that's exactly right. There are two things that valid as its tracking error, the tracking error is it doesn't follow the market. And I have people ask me all the time like what happened in two thousand and eleven. Like, why was that such a bad yet? And it's like if I knew I wish I'd knew I'd be a multi-billion f I knew when this thing was going to work, and when it wasn't going to work, nobody's sorta figured out how to time at Chobe e I can help thing, why don't we see more ETF's like this? This. The problem is that the short portion is hard to implement it's a pain to track and rebounds it all the time. The reason I do it is because I love it. I love finding these junkie of valued companies and holding them through a little portion of the Justice that is served at because it's so hard buying the deeply undervalued stuff and seeing really good, businesses struggle, when at the same time, there are these businesses that are undeserving, and extremely ova valid and prepared to put up with it just because I enjoy that process so much. I love the kind of the college of shorting. It's very high touch you need someone who knows what they're doing in there, all the time doing it, which for the low face ATF's attract people often don't want to the other thing is that it's just been such a tough Herod valley. People are scared to kind of do these things longshore, using only Valley, I sort of want to try to put in some momentum or some other things, which is Finally, I think those strategies to work. But sometimes if you. You want a concentrated bit on valley, which I really want to concentrate a bit on value right now. This is the way to do it. You need to be long showed value in, in need to be short in a way that captures that overvalued needs to be long in a way that catches the valley. A lot of the other implementations of these tend to be sort of they used the value factor to implement which might be relying heavily on book, value or something like that. But the valley is not a factor. It's more. It's value was a philosophy what I mean by that is looking for something that is undervalued across a variety of different metrics, the way that I look at it, and is the balance sheet robust enough to survive this rough period that it's going through is generating enough free cash flow to survive, and grow is management doing the right stuff, and I buying back stock they paying down debt or doing something appropriate when they're undervalued. And I think that if you approach as the philosophy of value, looking for something, it's very rather than just an implementation of the factor, which is sometimes it's. Agnostic prophet has said his a low price to book value is not necessarily indicative of something that is undervalued. You can be a low price to book value and be overvalued. And the congress can be true. It can be a high Prospal and be undivided. So I don't want to use it as a factor, I try to implement the philosophy which is, which is not something that is easy to reduce to the numbers for one of the biggest shops to bring out some sort of factor is portfolio, and I tend to try to pretty poorly. So that's why let's take a quick break and hear from today sponsor, if you don't know your numbers, you don't know your business, but the problem growing businesses have is that keeps them from knowing their numbers is there, Hodge podge of a business system. They have one system for accounting another for sales, another for inventory, and so on. And it's just a big inefficient mess taking up too much time in, too many resources in that hurts the bottom line. Introducing net suite by oracle the business management software, the handles every ass. -pect of your business and easy to use cloud platform, giving you the visibility control. You need the grow within that sweet. 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I went to the website answer a few short questions at Eastleigh got the perfect shirt, thanks to the custom sized predictions. Acknowledgee G Q sums up. Propercloth properly, you could get a dress shirt and have a tailored. But why not buy one may to measure from the comfort of your couch? Plus, the offer a perfect fit guarantee, giving you a free remake if your shirt doesn't fit right now, you'll get twenty dollars off your first custom shirt and propercloth dot com slash investors. Go to propercloth dot com slash investors for twenty dollars off, proba cloth dot com slash invest us. All right back to the show. So talk to us about the shorting, if I put on a short position, it's typically through an ETF because it's distributing, the whole, you know, the whole piece of it is distributed across. The whole market, but doing like an individual company, I've just found that Tesla's probably not a great example, because it's so big in the by outside of it, maybe not so much of a concern. But with a lot of companies that don't have such a huge market cap. There's the prospect that they could be bought out. And then you just absolutely get crushed in short position. And so, I guess my question for you is, how do you set a stop on a short position? How do you think through that piece of it where you put it on? It's moved in the opposite direction of what you thought and whereas you're breaking point. How do you know where that's out? How do you know when the get out of it by saying, I was just wrong. This last decade has been very good for me as a shorter because it's being so that the dick before, then was an easy period for valley guy to do show it if you showed it on valuation bicycle at worked if you a long on valuation, basically that look too. So what at this different point and. Market. I've lost decade where the insulation for value guys was wrong stuff that you short tended to keep on going up stuff that you along and to keep on going down. That's why guys like David Einhorn who I think's very good investor his performance. Hasn't looked very good. I've lost is because he's been in these positions that really made me sit down and think hard and I did that about five years ago, because I had been suffering for about five years to sort of think about my the way that I showed her the way I went about that. And I did add something extra. And so these are my general rules, shorting. I unleash short up an individual name. I would never shoot more than one percent of the portfolio at a time. My long positions of four point three percent. One percent for my show. It's and the reason for that is the reasons that you've just discussed somebody can come in and buy them if they get one hundred percent premium or more than that hurts me to the extent of one percent in the portfolio, which is something on prepared to put up with, because the whole portfolio, I think live is sees better return this, this, the short portfolio on talking about these better returns. Tens and the other thing that I have done, and this is one that I've sort of lent out of Las five. Is this is the thing that stands out for me as I don't short companies that have an enormous amount of momentum net. Flicks is a good example. Netflix doesn't look, right? From a financial statement perspective. It clearly it's a very good business. They have a good subscription model business and a stock has been very, very strong. So if you thought, well, Netflix evaluated and the balance, sheet doesn't look. Right. I might get short. That's been a terrible decision for a really long period of time because I have this approach now where I don't show at things that are going up, then I don't make those sort of mistakes, and more, like lots of other different mistakes. But I don't make that particular mistake anymore. Like, I think this is kind of an interesting because I have to automobile stocks in the portfolio, and I have one long and one short and I just think it's interesting to compare so the longest Fiat Chrysler, and the shortest tesla, and it's entirely possible that there's been a rebalancing before is, but at the time that we're talking about this is the portfolio the market cap. And fee. It is twenty five billion dollars market cap on Tisza is almost double that at forty six billion dollars. So I like to look at the enterprise value, which includes all of the debt, hold on, so fit total enterprise value twenty seven billion dollars, tesla valley fifty six billion dollars. So it's more than double. So if you're paying twice as much fatigue versus fit, what are you get more debt? Get on dead. But the operating income from tesla of the last twelve months Spain about two hundred and fifty two million dollars in the red whereas the at Chrysler has generated six and a half billion dollars in the black. So when you look at an in addition to the six and a half billion dollars in operating income that is generated, it's also generated more than five billion dollars in free cash flow. Whereas Tesla's been negative free cash flow to the chain of two hundred twenty million dollars, and I appreciate tesla sort of tick up stock and fee. It's like an all get all of those sort of arguments, but at some stage has to sort of ten into profitability and free cash or know, another Tisza beautiful also thinks the reason that has to happen. Eventually is that company that's an asset intensive business? It's a capital, intensive business and the capital has to be funded the assets have to be founded, how to figure out how funded you go, and look at the balance sheet balance sheet for is has a lot of dead on. There's a little bit of. In this field as well. But the it's generating multiples of operating income to its dead whereas tests that doesn't have any operating commits negative up ready income. My hat's off to Elon Musk has done an incredible job running this business to this point, but it still run like a startup and at some stage, it has to start making money, otherwise it's going to raise capital. Well, Toby, this was awesome. Awesome discussion. I really enjoyed learning about this for people that are listening. The ticker is Z, I G. That's he wants the zig. When everyone else zags. What I think is brilliant. Love it to go ahead and check it out. We'll have the prospectus for his ETF in the show notes here. People want to check that out. Toby anything else, you want to highlight, or tell people about its code the acquires fund. Custodians US Bank listed on the NYC. It's the only thing that I'm doing about all of my money is going into my family money's going into. I'm a believer. So course on by. I and you can back at my bias from this, but I think that the data really does support the position. So I'm extremely excited. The management phase point seven nine percent because of the way that shorts traded that I have to dividends from the shorts reflected in the expense ratio. So the expense ratios likely to be a little bit higher than that. I think it's a modest faithful. What is really a hedge fund type strategy super excited to be getting out there and running. It's something that I've been trying to do since I moved to the states a little bit of years ago. A hope that we're talking about it in ten twenty thirty years. Well, I'm excited for you, man. And it's really fun to have yawn here. So thank you so much for your time to be. Thanks, preston. I love you guys. And I'm so happy that I was able to come on a launch it here with you. You're always more than welcome here on the show. Toby? All right, guys. So this time the show, we'll play question from the audience. And this question comes from Michael Preston. My name is Michael. I'm from Washington DC and just want to thank you guys both so much for your effort with the podcast, I've been listening for about a year in his truly transformed plan investing knowledge. My question relates to my beginning because I was a complete newbie, and as I looked up books to kinda build a foundation, I was inundated with a myriad of reading lists recommendations from buffet among to pop ri-, and it was easy for me to get overwhelmed. So my question for you is, if you two were to build a value investor curriculum for a brand new investor what books would it contained in one order should one read them? Thanks again, guys, and I look forward to hearing the answer to this question. All right. Michael that question, and it's very relevant for anyone who is starting to invest, I for sure. Also ask myself that same question when the started out a main there, so many resources but it's not. Into a curriculum and different than it did not read the books in the right order. For example, it didn't take long before I started reading security analysis because that's just what I heard like you're supposed to read security analysis. If you want to end stocks, Joe, don't get me wrong. It's a great book, but it's not something I would put into curriculum at all for new investor. If you completely new and you would like to take an education in value investing. I've come up with the following force stops. So the first step is reading the book, the education of a value investor. And that is a book by a good Frank spear. This is a book that I absolutely love. It's not really. Only a good foundation to understand how to think about investing. But also more how to live your life as value investor being successful in value. Investing is as much a choice of lifestyle, which is not for everyone. The second step is. Of course, the warm buffet investment strategy, course, which is a free course that you can find here in AP academy. And this is a course suppressing created to explain the principles behind Warren Buffett's messing meth over because as much as I'm an avid reader. I also like to recommend courses as it illiterates. Many of the points about investing a lot better and easier than you can in the book, the third book is actually a book mortgage pop ri- just recommended here on the previous episode. It's called the SS of Warren Buffett instead of recommending more buffet shareholders, which are oppa -solutely amazing, and something that I think all value investors should read, what Larry Cunningham did really, really well, is that he needed a group, all of buffets teachings into topics ins book, like corporate finance investing valuation, much more. And I just looked at Dublin on Amazon and the payback. Is thirteen box. So even though you can't find the latest for free. I think it's well worth your money to save time and get a better or of you off the different topics. Just one thing to keep in mind is that currently the newest one is the fourth edition. So remember to get the most updated edition to ensure that you cover as many of the letters as possible. The last step is really about accounting and your, I'm all for thinking about stocks, right way. Living your life, the right way, you know understanding Mr. mog than concepts, like margin of safety, however, sooner or later, you need to be able to understand how to refinance a statements before it can value. A stock, even though it would be easy for me to recommend Warren Buffett accounting book the president. I wrote about this very topic to really understand the not some bowls about financial statements and how to use it as a business person as much as an investor, you know, the, the book financial statements a step-by-step Gotch on the standing and creating finish report. It's just such a wonderful simple book. It gives you a really good foundation. And if you do pick it up, I would highly recommend that you have a set of real financial state been next to you. Make sure you're not analyzing banks or insurance companies though. Those financial statements are bit harder to understand, but choose company with more conventional financial statements, for instance a production company for simplicity because that's really what it's all about right now. And you can always advanced from that stop we going to include all the links and the show notes to these four steps, but Michael, very hard to come up with recommendations for a curriculum, but a hold that these four steps in that order will help you in your journey to becoming in value investor, Michael. I really love this question. In fact, I believe this was the most important question I asked myself when I first started out, like most people when Warren Buffett says a couple books are the most important books that he's ever read. I immediately tried the read those books, but the problem that I ran into was I didn't understand the terminology. When I first started reading books like the intelligent investor and security analysis and the terminology is all about accounting. So like anyone? Else. I quickly realized I needed to understand the basics accounting before I could follow on and read these books. So my recommendation for you, and one other point is Ben Graham is not the most entertaining, author in fact, his writing style is very academic. So this is what I tell you find a way to learn counting, that will keep it fun. And so you might not get that knowledge from reading a book. I'm obviously biased by the content at buffets books dot com. Because I created that website and the whole intent behind that was to teach the terminology of accounting in an easy and fund manner for people, so you can check that out. It's completely free. Just go to buffets bookstop calm, but there's other sources out there to learn this language of accounting in. So I would just challenge you to try to find whatever that source is, I don't care if it's a for dummies book or whatever, but find a book that is easy for you to understand. And at the. End of it, you need to understand how the three financial statements your income statement, the balance sheet, and the cash flow statement, how those statements are tied together, and how they work because once you understand that everything is then going to start making sense. So after you get that knowledge of counting, I would tell you can try to tackle some of the books that Buffett and Munger are recommending additionally, I would tell you that I personally like the book Seth Clarkson's book margin of safety way better than I liked the intelligent investor or or security analysis. I'm sure that's very arguable monks. Many people in the investing community, but that's just my personal opinion. 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The Kist & Solak Show #81: NFL Combine Preview Extravaganza

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44:32 min | 2 years ago

The Kist & Solak Show #81: NFL Combine Preview Extravaganza

"Copy that listening again Benjamin so Lang. It's the kissed Solex show presented pine SP nation and bleeding great nation. You are flying high on the kissed and Solex show. This episode Eighty-one brought to you by the five folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kissed. You can follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed and velvets K. I S T as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. You could find his work right now. A lot of it at the draft network dot com. He is Benjamin Solex follow him on Twitter at Benjamin Solex. That's SOL AK. Ben. How's that serial how you doing? But let's Gordon eleven my time. I've not yet. Ian today. I have no shame. I serial bites between talking on the podcast at this. Boy, I've even stopped caring about whether or not it's allowed food or quiet food originally. It was like all right. Try to get quiet food make life easier on Mike now, just like lesson when I'm not talking. I'm going to be munching. You're going to deal with it and posts you left me and your Beijing with me, and I appreciate you. How are you buddy? I'm doing. Well, you're right. You want the quiet last time, you spilled your smoothies. So I. Understand you're not necessarily carrying as much anymore since the world betrayed you. And you try to be nice, which is how the world works. Sometimes speeding of how the world works. It worked in a weird way for TIMMY, Jernigan recently, Ben before we get into the topic of the show, which is the fast approaching NFL combine, in fact, it's already here does not in the nationally televised manner that we know as but pro football talk has reported that the eagles are not expected to pick up TIMMY Jernigan option. This does not come as much of a surprise. Ben. Can you give us a barebones bottom line of what this means? And they will let the folks at BGN radio pick this up more in depth later on the week tearing Jernigan vehicles trade third round picks with the Baltimore Ravens to grab him. Which by the way. We don't talk about this enough. The ravens earlier pick seventy eight became Chris warmly who hasn't done Jack diddly squat for them. The eagles round pick ninety nine. We was the game. Still douglas. So we won that one too many ways that exchange thirds the ravens and as a result journey comes over on the. A year his deal. Now, he plays really really well during his final year of his rookie deal in Philadelphia. As a result goes to extend his contract. So he was at the end of his rookie deal. I believe it was the hit the fourth year like eating out. He was a fifth year option player anything like that. And Philadelphia extended him for four more years for forty eight million dollars. So that's that's that that's the basics of the extension now that extension had within it thirteen and a half million guarantees on signing and twenty five point five total guarantees. So we talk about guaranteed money. There's guaranteed signing in those total guarantees, obviously, what's the difference. While the the delta about twelve million in this case is not guaranteed at signing. It can be guaranteed at a later point in the contract. And that's what's important. That's kind of the big thing. The circle here in early twenty eight teen Tim adjoining had an off field injury. He had a belief sports. Hernia surgery or herniated disk, maybe it was something like that. Anyway. And as a result with an off-field injury the way contracts rebuild, I don't know. Exactly what it is pretend me, but with the clauses in place. Field injuries. Give teams a lot of flexibility to move on from you, you know, especially because maintaining your health as part of the players prerogative on the off. So as to make sure that they're still under contract. So Philadelphia could have cut TIMMY Jernigan just after that early. Twenty injury moved on from him with a non football injury related settlement or whatever. Instead Philadelphia like to do Harry Roseman was to keep TIMMY Jernigan on his current contract but heavily void the remaining guarantees via restructure, right? And so at this time early twenty eighteen when they restructured TIMMY, Jernigan what's said is that oh Philadelphia's now off the hook for the guaranteed money of Tim journey. Twenty nineteen deal rather the his twenty nineteen year in his four years Dench in there. Now often look for those guarantees, but if you look at TIMMY, Jernigan contracts, he's still guaranteed six million dollars in twenty nineteen. If the eagles were to cut him they would. Oh, him six million guaranteed. Six million. They would own six million the reason for that is because as always money, that's guaranteed signing signing bonus money intimidating case. Ten million is rated over the length of his contract. Tim adjourn against signed a four year extension. Twenty eighteen twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty twenty one. And then also it was in twenty seventeen that he signed it. He was on the last year of his deal. So that ten million was pro rated so spread across five years at twenty million piece twenty million a pot. So the eagles, oh, TIMMY journey twenty million every year until twenty twenty one because of his ten million signing bonus that's very standard. And as is the case was signing bonus money pro rated money, if when you cut a player all the rated money accelerates onto that year's cap so Philadelphia if they would cut to Jernigan before twenty nineteen twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty twenty one left that's three years of two million. So they don't six million. So the question is what was that guaranteed money that Philadelphia relinquish that? They got out from when Jernigan had the football injury. We don't exactly. No. Because if you look at the details of TIMMY Jernigan extension before his injury. I'm on nj dot com. This was an Elliot shore parks article written a twenty seventeen so before the injury his twenty nineteen cap number was still thirteen million his dead money. Cut was still six million. So like, those figures haven't changed, which leads me to believe this is my theory, the guaranteed money. Philadelphia saved was like roster bonus money that would have like become guaranteed. If TIMMY was like on the roster on March eighteenth twenty nineteen this is only that how he's done on previous years. As a matter of fact, he did it on TIMMY Jernigan contract for twenty eighteen TIMMY Jernigan eleven million twenty eight twenty eighteen salary became fully guaranteed when he was on the roster for twenty eight teen. That's how like that that that that money was guaranteed. The moment he was on the roster. So that changes what happens in terms of like a per game roster up per game paycheck boat, like a pay scale change happens of. And so on and so forth. So it's the nature of our if we keep you for this year, which we intend to we're gonna fully guarantee all your money for this year. You know, all the money, we're giving you will be guaranteed. So at jets the guaranteed number on a guys contract when he signs it. So that's kind of what I think the advantage of that is this is my fear on how did it? That's that's the real, you know, mean potatoes of if you just want the bare bones TIMMY, Jernigan signed a four year deal. Mike's laughing at me, I don't know why we're way past barebones at this point. Well, that's the thing. I said, I gave you the me and potatoes. That's everything. I think I understand. I'm sure the stuff that I missed contracts is always a learning curve. It's always a learning situation. But if you want like, you know, the long the short of the elevator pitch to majority signed a four year extension. However at the time at which he got the non-football injury. Philadelphia essentially created three option years for the remaining years visits denture twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty twenty one those figures are eleven million twelve million to twelve million the team options what they would choose to pay him. Independent of those numbers is the remaining two. Million per year that he has guaranteed through signing bonus. If it all chooses to not pick up his twenty nineteen option, which is looking like, they won't they will accrue six million dollars in dead cap right from the three remaining signing bonus years that being said, they're not paying him the eleven million base, and technically the two million signing will pay this year. So would be thirteen to keep him. It's six Cottam. You're saving seven million. You'd like that to be a little bit more room. It'd be a little bit more skewed of a number. But given the the Germans probably not going to be healthy moving forward in his career. It makes sense that he's a cut and you save seven million. I mean, he's the six biggest cap it among defensive tackles in the league right now. Right end. There's just no reason to be paying him that when he's gonna be second fiddle Fletcher Cox, so they got any played forty five snaps last year in we're not doctors. We don't know the status of his back and everything eagles have more intimate knowledge that obviously they can he can test the market. See what gets and maybe the eagles bring a back on something super cheap. We we we don't know a lot of that is unknown. So there's a lot of moving parts are still but to join against op. Option not being picked up not much of a shock. But Ben today, we are here to talk about the NFL. Combine what it means what to look for perhaps some specific times or measurements. That were looking for from specific players, and we might as well start with the basics. It starts today. February twenty six and runs through March fourth you'll see your first on field testing on Friday. That's when the running backs off into line and special teams go through their drills, but you'll start to see things like bench press numbers start to leak out as we go through the week and the whole process can be broken down in four major categories. Let's start with the first one, and we'll work our way into testing as we go number one medical evaluations. For example, a guy both me and Ben like this'll be super important forum, offense tackle yawn. You could choose from West Virginia. We talked about him on this show before he's got a tornado CO dot rain in his past teams will be very interested in how that knee looks along with of course, recently injured players that can't test but need to check like potentials eagles target, Oklahoma. A wide receiver Markey's Brown with his foot. You'll also learn very new concerns about players didn't necessarily have a big injury history before Sony Michelle from last year comes to mind with his knee issue. Remember late in van deresh was rumored to have a medical flag for his neck. But it alternately didn't discourage the Cowboys from taking him in the first round. And another guy that comes to mind right off the bat is another sooner that's running back. Rodney anderson. His injury list is as unfortunate as it is long two thousand fifteen broken leg suffered playing special teams two thousand sixteen red-shirted because he broke a bone in his neck suffered in practice two thousand eighteen torn ACL early in the season, which required surgery I love Anderson's game. And I understand given the injury riddled season. We had last year that the eagles fans won't necessarily be in love with me saying that he's a guy that you start to really considering the fourth round, which is where a lot of these medical flag players start to go late that fourth, but he's got a second round gray. Lead on film for me. He'd be my running back to fairly easily bent medical checks. I'd be flagged for a back neck shoulder an ankle and a history of concussions you'd think teams would find anything on you. If they started poking around all yeah. Bustard tibial tendinitis function baby. Nice. I have custody orthotics. I got put on the shoes that I wear. I was a runner who destroyed his knees, the ripe young age of seventeen real flat feet. Yeah. Now, my future is bleak in the NFL. Never. I was wondering I am a senior OSCE graduating senior in college. I am invited to the Combi technically. I just don't specify what I'm doing. They're having said, I think the big I'm looking for in terms of medical reach for that first day group that today group which includes running backs, right, right? So the whole Josh Jacobs thing is that my man has no trend right won't show up to the combi- with groin injury. Then his that kind of throws a LuPone of that. Right. So be very interested to see his health. Like, this is just a nagging thing from training. Okay. Good. But if. If you're gonna sell me on low tread Dobie injured like that's that's point of that big thing for him to is that the fact that he can't test can test at the pro day will see their because I mean, that'd be big. If he can't. And I'm ninety percent. Sure. Alabama's got an early pro day relative to a lot of schools have to produce too though, because they take a lot of the outside of the area guys bringing the mid like south Alabama. I didn't know I I don't know if they do that are not that super cool Fidel now, my sanguine is this Mike when what do you look for for specialists at the combine punters and kickers? Yeah. Absolutely nothing. I don't care. See you get to say that because it's your podcast. I was asked that on the radio yesterday, and Mike I talked do rectory out of my butthole. I just said the most read it all like, well, the most important thing is the interviews in them being asked about like, you're the different styles of kicking what their experiences with the I just complete fabrication of the world. Just total. Here's what I want to know is the putter left-footed is the Australian check check move on. He's fine. I like do they even make them kick? I don't even think they kick whether there they they all the players do positional drills. I don't think the kickers kicks going to be the most probably due to the permanent process for them ever. Yes. So I have no idea how to answer that. So I have a fraud draft house. But anyway, yeah, that's that first group. I'll be very see. I have a really I'm really excited feature article coming out about Kayla mcgarry the attack on Washington. I know you've watched him a little bit. Yeah. Anyway. So he had a heart arrhythmia in high school on he's he m he ended multiple ablation on should be cleared away. But like last year, you know, marines hers was a similar situation that attack on a Michigan, and they flagged his heart so be very deceit. What happens Gary's hard during this testing being a time? The second part of this process is the interview process, this is gigantic for quarterback prospects in particular, we're gonna cover that on the next QB Scotia with barks girl field probably talking about guys like Dwayne Haskins from Ohio State will have to. Themselves on the board after only one year of starting at Ohio State. You also expect is like Brett Repin from Boise state for your starter and fell bloodlines across that aspect which could elevate his stock. But again, we have show for that. We'll get to that later on in the week. It is still important for other players with preceived character concerns. However, for instance, to name a few that the eagles might be interested in that this process is going to be important for one is USC offensive tackle Chuma Adoga stood out during the senior bowl week and should test fantastically. But I've heard whispers that teams are concerned with his, quote, unquote, football character and coach ability, and that sentiment has been echoed by others in the draft community that have heard the same teams will want to know why San Diego State offensive tackle tile Romer was removed from the roster after violating team rules in November's maturity is a question with Florida edge, declined polite and Houston interior defensive linemen. Ed, Oliver will see how valid those concerns might be Clemson interior defensive lineman, Dexter law. Lawrence will surely be asked about his ascension for PD's which kept him out of the playoffs. And so on Ben last year. It was the spicy TMZ story about various guys that was rumored and ultimately never surfaced. And look we know than he to fistfight with Hirose. Yeah. That's what I heard. That's what I heard it when it was denied by everybody. There was supposed to be this big embarrassing story for him about something that happened in college and never gone out. We know that false rumors get spread by agents to try and elevate their own client stock by proxy. So this is like the cloudiest part of the process from where we're sitting because we're not in the room, and it's hard to tell what Zabulov I thought the out cloudiest if I Claudius in you're making a Roman reference, and I was like that such a good point. It just what's real. What's not you? The inactive scout quotes, and they could be entirely made up by media personnel for clicks, or they can be said with a motivation behind him. But does anybody stand out for you? When it comes to the section as far as the interviews. Yeah. So so firstly I liked you brought up to offense Wyman Shula. Doug, Tyler Romer, aisles. Really funny last year, combine hero, Orlando Brown legend of the combine with his two second ten yard split, whatever he talked about like why like, you know, the combine isn't that relevant to like olive line. And like, why did you on Twitter? Fred, it's really good. Fred he makes a lot of good points some points. I don't as much, but he ended by saying draft more pricks the position it's good for society to have them on a field and not at home, which I think is hysterical. And like, it's like, it's like what we you know, we know we were sitting near a team during senior way you and I were and doll reisner and the team scouts were talking about. Don't regionals this obstacle to Kansas state. And they all yeah. He's great size and everything, but he's a do. Ish. Right. And we wanted we were like, okay, good or bad. Like, that's not like most context. Right. That's a bad thing in line evaluation that can really be positive thing. Like, there's no like the good been good news. It's good for me. If I see that for sure exactly so off of Lyman kind of having that character to them. So many teams look for two names that I will circle one. I don't want to a half depressed in Williams the wide receiver out of Colorado state. What I've no slash have been told about his situation is that obviously he's a year at Tennessee doesn't get along with Butch Jones get along with the coaching staff looks to transfer community college. And then he goes to Colorado state, Colorado state's coach Bobo, I believe had been university of Georgia and recruited him while he was in the process. I don't quote me on that may had connections there. So he goes there, and then he enters a relationship with a woman. There's a domestic dispute that charges are impressed the judges presses for for harassment for stalking or something. That because he was continually showing up at her apartment. He was suspended for the team for the year. Colorado state that a lot of time determining whether or not to keep them on campus keeping on the program. Colorado state elected to keep him with the program. They were satisfied with what he was doing. Let's make reparations I've leave the charges were were lessened from like, a stalking charge harassment charge. Anyway, Preston Williams, one of the players who will not be testing. We will not see him on TV said the NFL can save face. But he will be there in Indianapolis doing everything that's not on TV. So that teams can get to know him, which is objectively good news for Preston. Usually a player with pressings background would not be able to come to combat at all. It's good that he has his in front of teams, obviously, the whole TV thing isn't NFL stunt. But whatever the second thing will be a player that's of interest to the the reason I bring up pressing Williams. The reason I bring Preston Williams is because Mel kiper mentioned him as a potential wide receiver target for the eagles in round one. Now, I don't think that you will go out receiver in round one. I don't think press Williams around one player on the will like personally. So I disagree with that take on all three fronts, but it was mentioned as connection by guys. Connected sum. Gonna bring it out. The Evan Worthington. The safety out of Colorado. Now worthington's another player a full suspension for an unspecified violation of team rules now the fact that Worthington is invited and able to participate in the combine indicates that from the NFL knows this likely does not have anything to do with domestic violence or anything that would been put like a big black Mark on the NFL's glossy public image regarding relations to women for their athletes being said a full year suspension for violating team rules for player who was objectively a super talented guy. You know, it's undisclosed as something that that often have college teams a full year suspension is is surprising. Usually teams are very low on their suspensions logo this mentioned, especially for their good players. That's just the reality Worthington was out for a whole year. I have not been able to get from anybody a sense on why which is very curious to me. And I've heard that since he's had a kid since then. And I've heard that. Yeah. It's been better. Right. I mean. Yeah. So I know I know from speaking evidence being people that he like was a putt. And like did a bunch of soup itself wasn't idiot. Like had a kid had came to a reckoning handed shape up when he hasn't. He's getting his life in order. And that's that's that's a common thing that we see for prospects myself. The fact that I can't find why he was spent for full year really freaks me out. Right. It's interesting to see how he interviews as well. But he makes a lot of sense for the eagles given what they needed a safety position in the time. They have to develop a piece so those are companies that also stand up to meters of interview importance love it coming up next on the kissed and select show eighty one we're going to dig into measurements in positional drills. What to look for what's important for whom? It's important. That's coming up next year on bleeding GRA nation. Everybody to tell and chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge cast my friends, Paul Miller, indeed or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle. That causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred and six years since versus been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up everything in tech. News virtue is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. We're back you're on the kissed and Solex show. We are talking NFL. Combine Ben let's get into the measurements were talking height weight arm length hand size, basically, the meat market portion of the event everything that you don't possess. There's a lot of different. I don't working out a lot recently. That's nice. That's nice. We could take this and a lot of different directions. Maybe we should start with offensive tackle, Ben having thirty three into arm seems to be the benchmark to be a tackle in the NFL. Unless of course, Joe Thomas, but that's going to be important for guys like top rated prospects, like Alabama tackle Jona Williams who has linked concerns. Those concerns popped on tape against Clinton went dealing with Cleland. Feral Ferral sues McClellan, furrow we've talked about that before. Is there anything specific that you're looking from a measurement standpoint? Because there are also like wait concerns for defensive lineman, like polite, all of our guys we talked about FSU's, Brian burns, Ohio State straight out Jones and even talking about safety or for a moment. Deontay Thompson safety at Alabama whose listed at one hundred ninety nine pounds. I don't know if he hits that and some teams won't take safety's under two hundred pounds. I find his weight slash time. Speed dynamic particularly fascinating. Because I have question that must be answered in. That regard not if he comes in at like one eighty five so we can run in the low four fives. Or hi four forest. It's still a problem and vice versa. If he comes at say one ninety eight runs. Hi, four fives. It's also a problem. So then what are you looking for from the measurement perspective there Sern, measurements at certain positions that particularly interest because they very closely mimic. The physical actions needed taken in the way the player plays the position right like when we talked about offense of lineman. I am interested in what they do in the very short area drills vertical jump broad jump. Ten yard split. Three count. Short shuttle. Give me all the stuff that's short small areas. I don't really care about that. Forty. Are dash Ozoline normally do things industry for yard line? Really? Nobody does like. Wide receivers the closest, but even then they're rarely running forty yard straight down the field. Right. When we talk about correlation. It's not like you're gonna see a ton of tables that punted on the degree of correlation between the success of draft prospect for his position and a certain measurement and how well he measured percentile wise take these with with as large grain of salt, you can find it's very the first being it's very difficult to statistically quantify. How successful players like that's a hard thing to do. Right. A lot of the tools that measure how successful players are heavily reliant on playing time which is conditional on draft stock, which now has totally skewed your numbers because the better players get drafted. I not because they're gonna athletes because they have good. So we've already caused that problem. The second thing is this and I brought the opposite of line forty yard dashes. Able for a reason there is a high statistical correlation between offensive lineman success in terms of like game started games played and forty yard dash, which is well, then if we don't take a moment to stop think about. Why we can floor selves into believing that fast. Offensive linemen are good offensive linemen. And that's really something. We have to be afraid of right? And this is tricky because this logic that I'm approaching this with allows me to pick and choose which which correlations. I think matter in which don't and then something that a lot of analytic folks are afraid of you shouldn't pick and choose which data matters to you the data. That's typically relevant should just matter in general, and it does. But those those there's a character his nature to it. There's there's a a nuance. We have to understand off its alignment or slow because they're big boys. They don't run very fast. They also don't practice running. 'cause they're big boys. They don't run very fast, and it's not their job. It's not what they do. They don't have to outrun people. Right. But the natural athlete of the position the X tight ends Garrick bradberry. The X quarterbacks tight is Howard the guys who have just a better athletic background who are more better natural athletes are just gonna run better forties period because they're gonna get out of their stance quicker. When those sprinting in the first ten yards. I mean, there's going to be able to maintain their speed better. They've just spent more time run. Other than like, the hog Molly who've been playing, you know, left tackles in seventh grade like this just that's the reality. And so the more let guys tend to have better forties. The guys who aren't great athletes spend all their time working on the vertical jump, which really matters. Yeah. They don't spend any time on the forty the delta between the good forties in the bad for these really big Emma sadistic correlation is strong. It's not that fast off at the tackles are good. It's that good athletes off of tackle tend to run much better forties in the bad athletes, and then good athletes tend to be better football player that athletes, and so we have a confounding variable. There's that variables e that kinda screws with relationship between acts and why the variables just pure regular athleticism. And so when we talk about what drills matter, why testing matters. What's required? Conditional was required before you step into a statistical analysis of the correlation between testing times and NFL success isn't understanding of what the drills are meant to replicate. What they're meant to measure and how that affects on field ply. And this matters tremendously even within positions slot receivers. And ex receivers the the degree to which their bench press. They're three cones matter differently. And that that's not going to be expressed it, so so you simply have to know and understand what you're looking for this really like I don't wanna make a blanket statement say like all combine Cisco analysis is wrong. But you have to know what you're looking for why it matters. Like, it's really like there are very good models like well would quarters with this tall with this arm linked with this. Good three come. They're much more likely to be successful. That's great because those are three things that really matter to me about corners. If you listen a corner with this bench. This broad jumps gonna be good. We're probably experiencing confounding variables there 'cause I just don't see broad jumps. And forget the other when I said matter as much for for corners. You know what I mean? So this is is it's so so important to understand that you have to filter. Combine analysis and the results of players testing you have to filter that through an understanding fundamentally of not only what's required to win at positions in the NFL. But what specifically required for that player? Like when big wide receivers come in slow. It's really, okay, obviously faster wide receivers are better. But if they if their game isn't predicated on speed, it's gonna be fine. We're all going to sleep at night. You know, what's good Colton? Miller's NFL combine testing forty yard dash read a four nine five ninety four th percentile broad jump ninety nine percentile three co ninety four twenty yard shuttle ninety I you know, what was bad his tape. Now, you see that testing and you go, okay. He's obviously, a freak athlete. Let's go back and check the tape and see if that comes out on film. Maybe I'll see it with new eyes. And then you check his tape, and you see that he's got this nasty full step as he's coming out of his stance. And you go his athleticism doesn't matter because he's not using it to be more effective as an offense attack. Cool because he's hindering self with this technique and you'll see that throughout this process. So it's not the say that if a player test through the roof that were automatically going to move them up the board, but we are going to check it. If a player comes in with looser hips than we expect like can't like a couple years ago, Kansas state edge, Jordan, Willis, three cone is is a great time for edged offenders, Mike example to measure, Ben and all that stuff in a fire remember correctly. I'm gonna pull this up right now as I'm talking, but Willis who turns and bends like a dump truck. He tested in the ninety fifth percentile for the three cone six point eight five that's fantastic. Tiles guest guest this plate. What never saw it on tape. Never saw it on tape. So that's something. I remember that specific example may be go, wait, no way. I never saw that on tape from him go and check the tape. It's not there. So some testing can f- you can get false false results out of those. So definitely some different examples of what we think is important, but context is still needed. And what? I talked about this on fireside chats number eight with Cal crabs of the draft network. But for me like river talking running backs here ten yards splits within the forty yard. Dash matter more than the forty yard dash for running backs. I'm also looking for broad jump and vertical jump to measure short area explosion because all three of those factors measure into bursts. And you could really apply that to a lot of positions where it's not so much the long speed that's crucial. It's the ability to close distances in a beat. And that beat is the difference between short gains and long gains both for off its players and defensive player. So two players on mention that this will be important for with those areas running backs Devon motor single -tary from Florida Atlantic who let me tell you. I just watched his game against Marshall to revisit some of his tape. And I wanted to watch some more Balik Gant. He had a rough game that game, by the way, single -tary took over that frigging game and close it out. He was lights out that game. But he's got some questions to answer. About functional burst to win at the second level. If he runs around a one five five ten yard split or even just give me under one point six ten yard split count me in because the rest is gorgeous. And that checks that box Romy that I have a serious question about same goes for. We've talked a lot about him. I o estate running back. David Montgomery who had only two gains over thirty thirty plus yards last year. But it's not so much the home runs that I'm concerned about I want to see that folk tional burst to win that first and second level, that's really important to me. So those jumps the forty times will matter a lot for these the jumps and the tenured splits will matter a lot for these running backs, and we'll see how that all plays out. Benzes anything else stand out for you wanna comment on something? I just said or do you wanna bring up another drill that you find important or not important single Tei worries me album a lot lot running backs if you can find which bended of that for the field. Nobody coming in under four four take it. I don't think we had a single. Four four run in this class on less. We get like one of those situations Keith Marshall that Georgia kid like years ago. I had no idea who he wasn't. He came in reading four three nine or whatever. What about the role Henderson? You think he's under four four or. No, no, okay. Now, I think I think he's keys burners at ease a four runner. I don't think he's gonna have that. Big open long tracks drive in the first ten your to really get up to a full galloping speed that you need to get in under four four. Right. I Henderson Trayvon Williams on my guess for the two who will be fastest of Trayvon a Texas anthems, not a guy who can really burn. If you listen to me, you would have taken the over on calories forty yard dash time. The second dropped off you haven't yet as long as it's still is a bet you can have take it because if kinda really is coming in at over to two hundred pounds coming over to five number one he's gonna run slow if even runs a number two probably isn't even gonna run in the first place, which reminds me if you can get a bet that's fastest forty dash type quarterbacks. Take trace McSorley at Penn State. It. Yeah. Do not take Cuyler. They're trying to soccer you it's not gonna because can trace decay. Mad caps going to have one of the best days of the combine ever. He's everything. What we're hearing is true. He's going to be a free. I still if I feel at four three if he now I still I still I just refused to believe it other people have bought it. And I've been told it from multiple people. I will believe it when I see it I refuse. I can't if he runs a four three eight decay Metcalf. How much does he weigh like two thirty? He's gonna know. He's a he'd probably ways like, you know, like last week thirty he's gonna come in to twenty four right super. He's probably gonna run low for four. If he runs for three of them just gonna throw my television out the window. That's ridiculous. Yeah. If he if he comes under four four I need you understand that they'll be like four receivers under for four. They'll be like Meco Harmon who's a block eighty right? They'll be Emmanuel hall who's like a buck ninety five. They'll be like Alex was run Colorado. Cater some small school guy superfast decay Metcalf was literally thirty. Five pounds heavier than the rights, and I will lose my mind. What's crazy is is he gonna run right after Terry MacLaurin thinking 'cause like they go in that alphabet order if they're in the same eight, can you imagine Terry MacLaurin running a four four flat at his eyes. And then Metcalfe comes in. They're like friggin the Terminator's -actly. It's the same clock. Let's see the guys. Untold Byran Murphy Washington's really gonna test while he's going to be super-quick. What about the bench press who do you have hidden forty because I think Dalen MAC the interior defensive lineman at Texas might hit forty. I think need Davis is gonna throw up thirty tell me. Yeah. I think I think they Dave is gonna get there in shock it. I dunno else is gonna have forty nine at the top of my head might all dog. He's not invited shoot. That would have been my men heartbeat. You see Michael beds press before? No, I haven't is just an animal with all man, this temple not invited this temple defensive tackle. He's one of the single digit players for temple, which wedge, you know, temple tough like our temple famous about that in part because he's insane weight room guy. He could bench like six ninety five or something. It's crazy. He can throw it up like, no business. Here's a really interesting fun thing to watch scale of one to ten generally how good of an athlete is Taylor wrap safe. Gotta Washington scale of one to ten actually let me pull up my grading. Let me see. Where I have him. I actually I have safeties right up because I was watching safeties this morning. I was watching Mike bell from Fresno state liked his Taylor really liked his team said if you're a six three safety who's not slow. I'm interested in anything else. He can come down and hit. I have rap as a four out of seven. That's what I call solid. So I think it's a solid athlete straight line. I wanna see his his flexibility I'm gonna I'm gonna see him. You know, how high while you can convey that you brought that up because the Washington huskies hold a junior, husky combine every spring, and he crushed it doesn't really sense. Typically is very accurate, right? Typically, not very accurate. It's obviously a little more. It's going to be generous. But typically the numbers translate pretty well. Rob ran the short shuttle in three eight. Yeah. And then ran the three cone in a six five seven, which is six five seven if you don't know three code. The top time last year for safety's was six five seven six five seven. But I still I lost my mind because I'm like, that's my major if he comes out, and look he can run six seven or or or whatever if he's a gnat Erie. Right. Unlike check that box and his apples score will move up metal bump up my board for sir. That's crazy. Watching another guy that I'm really interested in watching. Not for great reasons is no fun. The tight end out of Iowa who's been life for the past eighteen months. You've been hearing about how great athlete is gonna test which is probably still true. But here's my thing if he comes in to forty flat, and he is super fast and super explosive and then Dawson knocks ole miss comes in two fifty inputs up slightly worse. Numbers will density adjustment. Fund's getting any better than dos. She's gonna come in two five five run a four six mid jumped thirty four inches video. That's gonna be great athleticism for size like fun might test. The best of all the tight ends. But the problem is also gonna come in one of the lightest. I think he's a great athlete but on field. I don't really see a own believable incredible athlete, especially for his size in some really interested to see what density adjustment testing relative to wait does for his numbers. Here's here's a question for these two quarters. That I watched recent way, Joe, John Williams, Joon Williams, cornerback Vanderbilt just lane cornerback Michigan state arm length for Cornerbacks. They're going to be on a lot of teams boards because they're going to have long arms, and we kind of skipped past the measurement part of it. As far as like arm like hand size like all of that stuff. I think they're going to definitely check those boxes lane is definitely longs. Got those long leggy transitions, which I kind of worry about what you think about their forty times because my concern with Joon other than his technique, which is bad and needs development. And he's a press corps of the can't press will be talked about it. I have concerns about his forty. I think he runs. Hi, four fives just lane. I saw him. Get beat initially by Terry MacLaurin, a guy that we talked about lost in the transition but kept pace after that. I think he's got really good deep speed or not really good. But definitely more than serviceable will what what are some standouts. What are your thoughts on that? From the from the cornerback position. If you had asked me most overrated drill for position. Forty for corners be out there from here's the thing. If you're concerned, though, can they carry routes vertically and teams care about that which carrying rows vertically is is is to me so much so technique before it is anything else has and that's what I'm saying lane loss MacLaurin because of technique early. And then he's leggy on top of it lost in the turn. I think I think it's objectively good to have recovery. Speed like recovers fee, which means running on the fours. And then like after that like low force after that. It's like everything is folly. Because if we like flip the script time wide receivers, what have you always mind receivers if he's if he's even he's leaving off. I get even with the corner. Just throw me, right? If you get him in your back pocket, you're good. Right. So it's like if you win at the release point to get at least even with him. You're you're fine. You win like you've created a throwing window because the second corner is in hit pockets a lower like to further back. It needs to be an unbelievable play like Darrell rebus level of techniques to get connected. Stay connected flip the head locate the football tack the football to be the assumption is you're giving up some size because you're playing corner right obviously for guys like Justin lane, Joe Williams that might not so much the case because they're bigger guys. Which is why size helps recovery hashtag Chris Douglas which received a four five nine you on a mainly this. This is very similar mold of player a corner, having recover recovery. Spy's objectively good, but I prefer the guy who just doesn't need to use recovery. Anything that which obviously you still need to check the box every corner needs to be able to recover because that's part of playing the position. I just don't think long speed is a big aspect of that of that process. You know what I mean? And so to me like open to this way. I look at Joe on in lane a little different leagues. I think Joanna's just off man corner who's long I think laying can actually play in the line of scrimmage, right? Like, you talked about like Joe on can't really press end. So for Joe on I'm probably a little bit more interested in terms of his transitional quickness, what it's gonna look like him playing cover two-zone off man in closing down hill lane will be a guy who I wanted to have like a decent or forty. So that he can actually recover as you alluded to that something that you think is stronger on his tape as compared to Williams tape prevent built so yeah, sure. But at the end of the day control, the I was in the first five yards in the contact with no aim and having this conversation exactly lanes tape has plenty of examples of that he controls the red line regularly wins at the line with this press with his patient feet to last guys. I wanna talk about before we get out of here guys that I think are gonna hit in the fourth threes for the forty people are going to start paying a little bit more. Attention KENDALL Sheffield the quarterback at Ohio State has no idea what he's doing. He's gonna run in the fourth. He's ROY Aki of this year might Pinon. I I'll say this right now if somebody if you if you Venema me five dollars, I will send you a list of the draft analyst who will tweet out that they've always liked KENDALL Sheffield after he runs a four three even though his tapes bad as tape is awful. Yo Ethan young was just promoted to director of player personnel. UCLA? Nice. Joe Ethan is Madouas my age. That's crazy. He's so I met him at a mobile last year, man, we had some drinks studt. That's awesome. Good for him. Shoutout. Ethan young member of the draft community that has poor laid this very quickly into a very nice position at UCLA. That's sick us so cute looking little photo UCLA. Okay. Anyway, you had another guy you want to bring up this year going to run the four threes brother Bank it now. Thank he's got range, brother. What are we putting on this year? Okay. Actually before I've in combat. I'm ask is this your taper you sourcing right now. This is tape tape. He's not. And he's also said that he expects to run on the four threes. Now that a lot of players say that they expect to bat to say, right? I expect around the four threes. I think he it's four three nine on the dot. All right. I will buy you a vending machine idol of your choice. If he runs below four four that's a bet. That's what I'm here for man. Now, the vending machine item not gonna do. It is the only reason you're here where I have every year we watch a player. Or run around his FCS competition. We all have convinced. He's a great athlete only way. Only time. It didn't happen was doused got her when I was right that he was a great athlete. Pretty much say, I'm correct everybody else was wrong. It was him running against air. It was him tracking from I believe it was four hash to sideline like a throw from eastern stick that went up there. That was the that was the first place over was like Joe do. Where he he he used the step technique, and he was like flip in his back and forth and walking down. Really apply. Yeah. So he could fly. He's not four three. But as good by four three nine force book it at the very most four four two. Now, I won't get vending machine item for that. But I'm saying I think he's in that range for sure Bank. It why am I why am I being cowardly bet on it for three nine this year? Eilly let's go Ben that is going to do it for the kissed end Solex show NFL combine preview extravaganza. Would you say goodbye to the gentle gentle listeners before you board that sweet sweet plane and get your butt over to Indianapolis. I'm taking a bus because I live like three hours from all right, man. They always us. Invasion radio. 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 Le'Veon Bell Released! (10/14 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Le'Veon Bell Released! (10/14 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Photos bond fantasy football. Today, we're GonNa talk about tomorrow morning of course but right now it's Tuesday night. Change anything for the waiver wire Levy on bell is released atom as Maser Jamie Eisenberg Jamie. This is not going to be good news for some back. I'm so nervous. I'm afraid that Latvian Belle's comment and wreck backfield. Kansas City makes some sense dad levy on Bell Chicago make some sense. Levy Levian Bell I could see a situation where maybe even Cleveland looking to replace Nick Job at Levian Bell Man there's GonNa be a backfield that gets destroyed by this. It's going to be very, very frustrating. Are you going to Drop Levy? On bell tonight for you know Chase Klay Pool or or something like that well, Adam you were speaking to somebody who only has levy on belt in one league and it was because he was dropped and I had I are spot to stash them on. It's a ten team league with deep roster. So I will not be dropping him for two reasons one. Waivers don't run for Wednesday. Okay to. I'd like to see where he ends up I mean I don't know why anybody would be dropping him at this point because maybe he has a improvements leaving. Adam. Gates look what happens every play relieved that him gaze that's right. Get. Better Yeah. So who's going to get better now in that backfield frank, Gore, going to get all the work. What do you think? I mean frank makes the most sense because of what he's been doing in. The LEVIAN, Bell, absence but. This is the time if you're just start to see what you have and will Michael Ryan may not be a starting running back in the NFL you may not be a great fantasy option, the jets, the jets, but I'm not going to go pick up frank for you know I just don't see a lot of upside with him and so I I'd rather just kind of take the chance on what's No Michael might be now if you need somebody to get you five or six points and nine pr and maybe six or seven points and then you go get your. Michael Preston anything. Then I'd spend a one dollar bid on him tonight just to see what happens. Well man this just kills Joe flacco Value Jamie. This is devastating for my fantasy teams. Really does. Like if you're the jets at this point, you you bring Sam Darnold back anytime soon. Lady. He wants to play like my God this is just a disaster of franchise. All right. You know what? Honestly like we don't usually do three minute podcast but I don't know that there's much else to say Michael P Ryan is the guy that Jamie is going to be going after I'm sure you would still pick up like jd mckissick over him, right? Oh. Yeah. I. Mean. This is one of those. You know I guess you got to determine like if I'm by still holding Carlos Hyde if I'm still holding Jordan Howard if I'm still holding. You know trae Kwan? Smith. If I'm still holding on guys that had no value to me, I'm going to drop those guys for. For somebody like Michael P Ryan like we play ninety twenty, seven roster spots you know you you pick up you know if you're in a fourteen league and you have a dead roster spot, you pick up with Michael. It even if he's the guy for the jets. Right. Yeah. So it's not a good situation. It's the right now, the lowest scoring team in the NFL, I believe. So. They're not gonNA get any better without levy on bell I suppose but hopefully Levy on bell we'll get better without the New York jets we will find out where. You can go right on your mind for him or for a starting fantasy running back I for him. For Him. Man the giants like I. Don't think there's any chance but that's the other scenario that's like Oh God. They're bad. Offensive Line's thinks they have other players their side say the giants. That's the first team that came provide Ravens Ravens would be really. Terrible. Mailers thing the Bengals bagels are interesting and then for like someone else I think that chiefs chiefs, it really bothered me I, do think Clyde ever dealers a workhorse right now if they sign levy on Bell I, think it would be kind of like, Damian, Williams after the Lucia McCoy less lesser extent, he wouldn't get the same work as but it would be enough. To be. Annoying. What do you think? Yeah I mean. This. Is the thing that's going to be frustrating. Well, first off look if he goes somewhere Don't automatically downgraded starter. So he goes to Kansas City don't ob- sons think. Things. Don't all decide if he goes to Chicago thank Dave Montgomery stinks. I'm trying to think it's got to be a situation they'd be goes to like Seattle. Seattle makes sense because Chris Carson. has already been banged up a little bit You know he came into the season with A. Concussion situation. I'm sorry with the hip situation and then he got his knee twisted so. They reside pending who knows when he's coming back the the rest of the backup stinks no Carlos Hyde is is is not a difference maker Levy on might be So. That's one I. also think Arizona to you know they they were aggressive with their back the last year. Remember they bring in Kenyan Drake when they still had David John was coming back from his injury? and. Chase Edmunds is is serviceable. But they don't have a third guy. Yeah well, we'll find out hopefully hopefully soon hopefully doesn't take. A place to sit in suspense, and we'll keep you updated on the fantasy football today podcast. Thanks a lot for listening everybody anatomies for Jimmy Eisenberg with his bonus Bob called young.

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Scaramangas of MuMu

Inspirado Projecto

1:01:19 hr | 7 months ago

Scaramangas of MuMu

"Ice-making Olin's hair you're listening to Inspir- auto project though. Ladies and gentlemen. Aliens and creatures. Amphibians. And Air Molecules? Welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you for listening. We are going to give your ears a treat. Is Go this this conversation goes down. Many. Various rabbit holes. All of which. Are Highly vibrational. It'll get your mind. thinking. clinking clanking. squinting Glenn Can. Perhaps do doing some research. In in Ye Olde. Google. Machine. Mechanics machinations. Speaking of machinations, and magic nations. Machinations in imaginations imaginations. The imagination man. That's good. I gotta remember that title the imagination machination. That's good. We're going to have After this extraordinary interview with Dj Scar Manga? Silk. One of the forefathers of Chris Inc you've been hearing me talk about. Chris Tour Inc.. Over the past. Several episodes. I hearing about it from Spencer. McCall. then. Then of course, you hearing my stories of going down the rabbit hole on there, and then of course then. Interview. With widely Henderson. Introduced to me by DJ scaremongers silk. I mistakenly thought. I'm not going? Classified. So. Here we are scaremonger silk. If you go to Chris Store Inc dot com I can guarantee you that you will see would Dj Skaramangas Silk Looks like? Phenomenal. Phenomenal video up. There's some great great stuff. So. Without further ADO indefinitely without further. Ado. We're going to. Jump, into the interview, this is the first part of an interview. Dj Scar Silk. by the way. Go to soundcloud dot com slash. Look up skaramangas silk in designer scribble. And soundcloud, but those things in the search engines. And you'll find an extraordinary. Piece of sound art here. I'm looking at right now. Drawing of A, neon. Character. IS HIS PROFILE PHOTO That's that's. That's the VIBE YOU'RE GONNA get in this conversation you're about to hear all right enough of my talk and. And what do you when I say the words information superhighway. Remember when Al Gore invented the Internet and they talked about this. You. Know you're going to be able to go off on off ramp. The information superhighway. Get your information, all your movies in your. Internet and all your. About does and music and chats. I mean we had America on I remember you've got mail. Lean. Fantastic to have DJ scar among silk on the line hey, could mooning how are you? Good good I'm doing great and thank you for. Decide the beyond the. On the podcast this very exciting I I came across you on. In your A Great Lakes. sparkly silver more suit on the Christopher page. and. Yes. They're about they're fine products. Yes. That whole project on weld as your way is Quite fantastic universe that they've built on time. Yes. been a lot of fun to be small parts of that journey. We're how did you end up getting to be a part of the? So. Several years ago. I was literally on one dice Asians just trying to find something to watch and A stumbled purely by accident on the institute. So is quite interesting I've here in the UK, some on based in in London and. no-one in my social circle had mentioned that documentary to me hunt read about anywhere. So. Literally was just like sometimes slots. Implying cy don't wash try to try and rates so much just. Look little title. Work. Maybe. Very. Fast on of his synopsis and just just give something a guy. So and watching the documentary. And I was absolutely blown away by the theft creativity. The left of risks, they the level of invention, the Huma just everything about that Jeff See Spencer who captured all of that footage a fantastic. Not Truly is A. A university is does a rabbit hosing down a lot stuff out there that you can dig into on campus had lots to Delve deeper into the SOSA project so to find out as much as possible. And as was doing that. THEY SERENA'S THOSE A. Enough projects and from Spencer cruelty squad. So. As. Spencer was working on that so much truck him down. I'm. Very. Grateful. We had a conversation. And I just express the already night to votes in some capacity in and help out and. That is my entry into that world. So I actually didn't come. It's crystal Rishaad comments to the squire. And assure where the squats undescribed boulevard and from thoughts. Crystal Incredible Man that institute documentary I was just equally blown away by that I. Mean I love the You couldn't tell who? It was what was cool to me was like I. Kept going back and forth to my brain going. Okay. Is, this is this person in Improv actor who's pretending that they had gone through this thing or is this an actual person who went through this thing and I loved how they played with our brains like that and I love the fact that there was an actual I actually I talked to someone who's funny because I had seen that. A documentary on a couple of months later, I happened to be at a party and. Some Guy said Oh, that's like the institute. I said okay hold on a second. What do you know about this issue institute because I didn't hear anybody like even talking about it. Now reading about that movie in this guy told me he was out there in San Francisco. He was visiting a friend and a friend of his that Oh. Yeah. He's he wants to do I'm going to be at work today. But if you want, go check out this this place, ask him about the institute and see how that works out. And from that moment forward, he went on this big journey of like what the heck did. I get myself into. So it was really cool to meet someone in person who actually went through that into verify that stuff in the movie was actually. That stuff was actually real and actually a part of Part of reality and. I just love the idea that somehow they're able to get all these people together to to kind of make San Francisco kind of like a set name they kinda turned it into their own. Their own place at like, okay. You know over here we're GONNA Hide Glue American? To police. There's this thing to check out. yeah, I mean. Totally cut. You'll say lucky over there in two states to have these kind of things on this scale I am as far away here in the UK, we don't really have anything. Like, that in terms of the whole, A. R. J, World's. Yourself. One of the things that Really Cup Jemima Generation and appeal Smith's creativity. And well. As Christopher instagram wealth especially at that time is the blurring of lines between fact and fiction and derail Welton just trying to figure out. What really is it the the happening here? What was the line? And is cautious done. It was Simon's flare. So much fun and. You're saying the fact that is in in physical world that you could call you to order these places in interacts and all these different narratives. Yeah even now talking about Odysseus still massively. It is and that's what was so cool when they finally came out about making dispatches from elsewhere where I'm sure there are a lot a lot more new fans. Now that are coming across the institute. Thanks to dispatches from elsewhere and opening up their brains people are going to go what the heck. This is sort of based on a true story. This is amazing and. It's just so cool that there's a project that turns the every day of Monday of life into an actual it kind of turns. They're turning your life into annual theme park where everywhere you're going you're kind of looking at it through new Lens and. It's it's really cool because it it definitely puts you in the driver's seat of. Freedom of choice, are you going to choose to to give into the fun and the excitement and the playfulness of this particular story that they're unfolding for you? Are you going to sit on the sidelines and and go all? Well, that's fake. That's fake or oh yeah. They're trying to pull another one over on me Because that's definitely not going. To bring about any great feats of of wonderment or curiosity. I think the fact that they created something like that it really it's a great deacon to those of us who love to find the Easter eggs and also love to hide the Easter eggs as well. Yes I'm when the fact that dispatches from elsewhere came into existence on the network of IMC. is fantastic tribute to to Lexi of that work and. For is fantastic and really beautiful. How part? Yes. That's what they captured was the whole aspect of. That bit of bravery stepping out of your comfort zone going on an invention, not really I'm having faith in terms of your current events. Necessarily fully no, will you vote but There's something about where you're giving them your trust, and then either time is is repaid back to and you actually learn not just southbound about. Aspects of the world around you start seeing you know old, it is familiar locations in San Francisco guys from new rituals. Institut would have been going down the streets every day suddenly little poster suffering a little bit different and it turns into something joyous, which is a very, very inspired. They put into a choose your own adventure they're put into like an actual. Like I. used to play Dungeons and dragons grown up in this kind of reminds me of like a real life. Game you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's just so 'cause it teaches you about cooperation. It teaches you about collaboration teaches you about yes, fans it's teaching you about okay. This person's idea Is is so way out there it just might work. You know I've seen so much strain stuff already with the with this institute antics. Okay. This person's idea theory just might work who knows you know and then people try stuff new test things out and. And then it's because of their curiosity is because they dare to look beyond what's right there in front of them it's because they they look for it. Then they find it. It's cool. It's like, Oh, as as a result of you stepping out of your comfort zone checking thing as a result of that, here's this hidden little this hidden little gift all because you did that and. You never would've founded as that out. Yet. So I mean, I think we would briefly took never dina mentioned to you back in. Twenty eighteen I've here in the UK J. bus similar client of. Concept was run by Kyle F- Flies at massive or pop pop dance band from the ninety two had some huge hits with tracks free. Am Eternal. What Time is love? And various of a tractor from era would know they added a bit for comeback in Lippel. As I free I events It wasn't built as festival and his literally only open to four hundred people to participate. So I was fortunate. To be. I get sick into and to attend that event. So it was tied in either free days with a book. Published onto one of which was the justified ancients of Mu. But the whole thing was really about audience participation and the audience actually driving the narrative of of those dice and. Esso's guys as you're aware of that work, they're not particularly known well, not knife it's not the focus of their work but. She great storytellers also, very, very comedic of in a think because. Just quite how these guys are with that one by one of his standout. Moments is fake if you to be not ten cut, you would absolutely love this was on the second day. what they did was we covered in A. Bombed out churches in sets. In. The center of at City. And when we entered into the church is like. we were divided into. Two grape semi had to stand in the middle of church long to oils and Jimmy Carter in Belgium who. Wants. Down those aisles and everyone on one side of aisle was given a patron book. So given a page and everyone of aside given an odd page. And from Thatt's, we would then organized into chapters. According to the book. And leading on from that, we were then given a task that subject from that particular Patriot book. We would then have to go away and then next few hours create a piece of art. Could be. And then come back and then present. That's the same. Then also on top of that as a chapter, we would have to come back and then do a small performance at the end. Of the day. Yes I need this time. So the book literally only just been published. On the type force and no one none of us had read the none no one had would have had time. So we didn't know the full narrative. So we were given a tiny chunk of this is about what I was about four hundred page book and also known as the full context see let's just taken these few paragraphs texts having to interpret in your own way, and basically we re told the story back to so we presented it back to the just violation baby the Calif from Orion performances at the end of the day, and it was incredibly people reciting poetry people doing straight saw. We have people writing songs that soupy from built websites in time. People doing performance in improvised parts of the city people just doing video things to easy credit. So imagine incredibly creative. And yet that saw. Out which has been growing in Las Fiesta. To walk into that in in that. So I'm for those guys put. On it was incredibly critically more Mike. Wild Man. You know when you see stuff like that and when you see stuff like that and you see stuff like this, usually institute those those things are like microcosm of what is totally possible all over the world that idea of Hey let's have fun together. Here's a strange novel concept. Let's create something you know Together where we're not having to find ways of of arduous each other. Let's let's find a safe zone where we can find agreements and find ways of creating a reality together and exploring imaginations together and and just and just go with and see what happens and. It's amazing when you have stuff like that that shows you what is capable what what you're truly capable of what's possible when given a very short Time when it really. Shows us that. We really don't need to spend as much time as we do procrastinating. It's just reminds me of like net kind of flake I'm sure there's this might have happened you like in high school or whatever they give you like a science project and you to get it done three weeks and then the night before you're you know you're putting it off putting off in the night before you're like Oh God I got I gotTa do this thing because otherwise I'm just tomorrow. Too. Whip it up and you're like, what the heck how was that possible? How did I do that in three hours? It only took three hours night just do that right in the beginning and I could've taken it easy this whole time you know. It's so funny I think it's so necessary that we have aspects like that. We have those opportunities to go. Okay. All right. We're pressing the start button right now and it's up to you to just create it. Yeah, so I mean procrastination in terms of creativity is a is a fascinating financial of been or all sorts of stuff on are. Now you're a big raider as well and it turns out that that behavior that you just described in terms of people leave loss minute even though it's highly. Pressured. And you always feel we haven't really done just turns out that those people in the long run. Because I. can work under that pressure as she ended up having pretty good. All my God. I know Nice it's a real surprised, but I'd also taught time pressure as you. Think is a fascinating. Area. For, creativity exam. Assists in some ways it's signed points that line right and. Not One project. DOFFING. Quite, interesting also involved in Wa- but it's a I. here in the UK could might Monday and a while back I think here's one I people to start one of these I mean that. Aside it acquired his his angles, quite naked times of these. So self help courses for music retraces. He wasn't doing your usual youtube how to compress a drumbeat or that kind stuff. He was much more focused on the psychological barriers. Dot Music Patrice has come up against so and really help at pizza finish projects and one of the things on the exercises that he came up with, which was really fascinating to me was he was like for ten days in a row. Roy a different track every, but then spend more than one hour on it, and if it's not finished at the, it doesn't matter just get out a fresh all day every day for tallies. And then come back to those days at the end of that. and. What you say is you will see where you're in terms of or your influences and Way You also. In some styles creation on your so. A lot saw onofre. So things but I was actually given a project where. Friend of mine was CREIGHTON unlock an online game. Now, your a big Gamer as well. Say he was little SCI FI space physics game. So he needs some sound for it but because. Especially, it's during the actual bandwidth for this kind of stuff the actual music rainy short so had kristen really retard late. So he needed and I, I say second apes to. So affair by track or soundtrack his musar literally use the exercise of miles where I. Created, ten tracks. Resort was gave him those used handful of them and for me it was a fantastic. So is that sort of being able to spy someone? with material for his online game was then ABC were always that. So we'll see the so styles son strengths in progress and then from there. I went on to devote to it. Then went onto featuring. Debut album dishonest scribble. So far as secret sauce, it was great. That's that time pressure in that also, now you'd need to. Finish on his everyday Tendai say rat and recommend any music stood there at some point career. 'cause you. You learn a lot very quickly and the radio and also scrape with unblocking yourself yourself if you're ever coming up. How you know it's so interesting to things. One thing is that He working in that fashion, it cuts away the fat in by the fat I'm talking about the over analysis and over critiquing. Cuts right out of the equation and it goes. On inspiration buddy. Okay. Here you go. You're going high-octane Puran patient. You're not. You're not allowed to get in the way yourself. Sorry. Okay and Co, and then now you gotTa. You gotta just go inspiration and it's it's crazy and it's beautiful. Because you know it's it's such a crazy conundrum because People that I've talked to it. It's like. For some reason. There's this idea that art in cannot be art or even. What's the. Word. Respected as art unless you boil through it unless you go through the blood sweat and tears. It's almost like what what's worse more the. What's what's more valuable the story of how much you toiled to make this thing or the story defected you made the fact that here it is. You made this thing you know and I think sometimes are just fall in love with the romantic idea of Oh took me fifteen years. Make this thing always better make a big splash otherwise I'm gonNA kill myself knowing loves it and well managed. That's unfortunate to put that kind of pressure on your shoulders and top ads it's also unfair. To discount the exact kind of art that you're talking about, which is that fed, you know striking right when the inspiration is there and and moving along with it for some reason. I. Don't know why this is but. That kind of thing does not seem to be as encouraged as much. Do Jeremy Why do you why? People don't encourage each other to doodle more often or to. Do projects like you're you're you're talking about. Yeah I mean. I've been listening what's your poker should set a on now become a big foul since discovering way. I think it's really great as someone like yourself out there who celebrates explores creativity the way they. And also all the stuff that you know you've got sick people as if in the map projects that you're involved in I find that fascinating you're a musician, you WanNa Film Festival, an done Improv in pasture nights a main less intimidating for made to talk someone his. Stuff. Off on a quarterback cam yet and so. I've. Shoeless in the states offense of you might such upon. In of a Polka, you've had guests. Something about a system that in the surface educational war societal expectations that. Full she as you grow older that. Urge to be creative is sort of. Taken out of. A stiff Bush students society where and understandable you know if we counted So maslow's hierarchy of needs. Now, we've basically got to get out there and survive right I. You know you for your education prices. Of of money, will go get roof over my head. And found is such a old precious. Efforts in that boat. Because that certain. Things a tough fat especially in the current world in in many many ways. So because of that, it's hard to for people to then go bad step playful create version they would've had. As kids which don't offensive. So real shame because. You know even if you're not necessarily of the ILK as you get older I think. It can actually work few in any context no matter what job you're doing on a day to day if you've got that attitude and you can sit and look a problem and matter what your fewer banker computer developer anything. That so creative. Mode can. Bring massive awards. So unfortunate yeah. Figures managed out of people and. I'm not bit like self choice urged that creative spot 'cause I thought if you find this oil. I don't remember. I got more creative as older. I think. Started Scott Passions especially row music. So of my late teens and not just about more and more more Nesta. Awakening. RECCO. Shops etc.. And? From that I'm ready canes or so say people. Develop and keeping creates. It's just really great. Great. Grateful. Self esteem is great field may scrape around you. But for me of I found that from not criminal working on some so I just have a niggling solve. Not Knowing what I meant to be doing. It's a bit of a curse on ways because there's so much. You just want to step away from it I. Say Yeah you've been there. You know once I. Think. People just done where it comes from the just have that nuclear what I think beautiful thing and that's why some people when they do it for their entire life was shopping really really beautiful. Thing it. You know it's like. I frequently say that I'm addicted ideas. I'm addicted to it. It's like there's so many juicy ones and I. You know I try to I think that's why. Did. I. Write a lot of stuff down when cents it's kind of like my dream catcher in all the guy write them all down in the nets. Also the reason why why make a podcast because I'm just like okay. This might of audio journal Audio Diary I. I'm just GonNa play right here, and then my future self can can listen to it at some point but it's like you get dead itching. You're just like, oh my gosh, it's like Like. Pay attention to me pay attention to me paycheck like okay okay okay. Okay little babies. You know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA grow you up. We're going to grow you up. You know we're going to feed you. We're GONNA, Throw Yup and. It's crazy because I look at a lot of these ideas and they're also very important to me and do you feel. Do feel an obligation to them. Deteriorate ideas like. Some rate in my mind man aside him. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Kindred Spirit and you know we've been for love experiences despite the. Very. Different backgrounds who've in different countries I think. People like us when you get that world's I'm on online I am Maybe it's point. Get me trouble a site wants an idea hits if it's too goods. Eighth Nine hundred immediately, it will sit in there and it all care me an entree up on grateful that. Yeah. I'm like I'm very I'm always keen to explore stuff. There's there's a guy here. friend of Michael Preston likely. So Preston does all kinds of stuff. So he kind of shots fame infamy maybe several years ago when he decided as a experiment, a bit of critical comment on society and stuff happened in politics two he put his identity for sale on Ebay. which is really fascinating concept. Yes. especially with how things have developed in terms of identity theft and social media and all of that. So. He he understood song and then he wants to would amuse agents which was fantastic where. He. Went round is putting up basically fake adverse, but really funny stuff. So things like divorce photographer. For sioe fake fake radiohead all. Yeah this contest. I was very fortunate to yeah I was very fortunate to make Preston and he instilled really great idea and may which are really loved of anyone. Should tighten some because it helps dispelled a Fajitas like even if you've got an idea. and. She WanNa see where it will go is best to take on another day even if you start reading what outcome whitebait just explore it. That is so true because you don't know what else it has to offer. You just don't know yet hiding there behind the door it's. Yeah I. Mean You. You'll very much from the world of Improv. So mean, that's not an issue. That kind of ideal guess. Well, it's it's it's interesting because what you're saying there is. It's it's so interesting interesting update it's. It's crazy because I for a lot of creative folks they have to. Get over there. I guess ego or whatever whatever that guard is that sort of standing there at the door that. Sometimes, it takes such. Training to get to that point of just being okay with following an inspiration and just being okay with not knowing where it's going to take you and it's funny because. You have to do enough of those. Do, enough of that leap of. Face, to to have. A reservoirs examples built in your brain. Followed the inspiration and it's paid off and it and it's like congratulations you've followed it to the end and it's because he kept falling breadcrumbs now here you go here's a reward and by having enough of those examples in our brains with at dozen what's exciting is that encourages us to then follow our inspiration more and more and more because we already see that it pans out and we we start falling in love with Appreciation of the process of of being okay. With the unknown of being okay. With not knowing where the driver is GonNa take you. It's okay. Being passenger with the idea knowing okay. I'm going to be a passenger here IDEA UGO UGO run off and I'll obviously I'll follow you wherever you go. We'll just see what has Cohen. And you do that you start seeing those remarkable things and it's so cool that that president has such. Such obscure and and crazy ideas that he that he follows them to the to the end result Princeton's with his with his identity once he sold his identity. Does that mean what his social security number is I mean everything about him, his his name and every I mean I think yet she stopped technically it actually a a might be wrong in this or pressure on knots I think ended up getting debated By Bridge lawmakers so not the House of Commons it because basically known it ever done this and it basically steamed soften illegals are fink before he had the opportunity Serafini. Might may have been taken down off of Ebay. But. By in but basically brought by provocative he got such a debate going and such a body could buy even now. And yet. He just totally explored where we could go and the notion of identity ownership of that. How to translate? Calif event really quick now. When you were there. There are probably a lot of Kale forums or chat rooms or blogs or anything where a lot of these. Lovers. With hang out, get to know each other online at this event. was there something like that where these people were able to reconnect with all my God? You're this you're that screen name, you're this person or I. Remember seeing it hanging out these chat rooms. was there any kind of? So this is this is really interesting about that event so. The Kiowa F- when I announced the event I would like the COMP- There's not going to be any press coverage Addison event we're not allowing any. So that was very, very intriguing. So inevitably, as it does look at book signings, there was some press in that source of the actual main part. The Free Day was kind of entices very, very depressed so. She ended up happening. which was crate was I'm quite a few of us. Myself. Enough related carbon name of her. Blog right now, and in another gentleman cooed Andy Shell I. WE started around blogs. So I wanted to start a block the partly because afford press that, and this is going to be a historic event. Because everything that is caused especially when it is Stephanie. So Sky Oh. Echoes for you for the. So I felt was really really important A. Pizza blocking about. This one ended up tiny to run expected or again this is just going with a fly seeing what's happening. And, just wrapped into it. So there's a couple of facebook groups. As face but breaks for the four hundred days, Anissa Calif page, and those are of two main. People were connecting online of will talking in in real time even iphone strangers of seats as bonding happened very quickly for Saas. Unique. event. So one of the things. That kind of did join. US event. was they. Ever got out, she got out of jobs. So we don't pay to attend the event where then turns volunteers. So we just going and watching event we ended up not is just participant, but we actually have jobs today and the way that was done everyone's out of Kate job codes. And so many jokes very quick. I'm also stuff some even. Potentially. Let us of Prompting Small Acts FM illegality. So. Those things are. So I started as part my book asks, Okay. The semi-fat if you're Joe. Card. Let's get these Google and. Yes and then from that start connecting fossil's paper and on the last day of the event are basically for aren't gonNA open this up. This on roy infamous perspective whether just opened outs community anyone who wants to. Give me their version of the story from that Particular Day Senate's make. And then awful for maybe a couple of people take up and that actually turned into a two year project. So we started having people going back who had different jobs who given a very despite story we had. People who are actually part of the experience sight somebody organizes some of the people running the event start giving their stories ended up basically Creighton, a online documentary fireplug. which was I the massive on after myself part, but you know. Credit crisis communities where something you talked about. Earlier which I'm. In the. Footed a still so much division. I found as I'm sure you have my entreaty free music is a been a place where to set about no barriers. We're all we've got a good positive thing that. US and the more you expanded to of art forms. That, you can see more more of that. And I think. The more that we can grow that grow that mindset grove creative culture. At the Barrett can it can make all societies absolutely I mean I'm just thinking about your to your website which by the way, what is that? What is that? So. So nine directly after the event, which is welcome to dark ages, dot costs them. Now I'm thinking I mean. Has there been a documentary 'cause I'm thinking you've you've. You've pretty much done the forward. Right they're having this website you could I mean. In all of that could be. You know very well documented I'm sure those guys would love to give an interview and. Talk about their. The controversies, they're very specific about what they like to work on Dave they don't really pander to. Basically, Fan requests because they've basically quit music they music anymore that by fall lists. So basically, there is a documentary of that event was what they think is shame. The has been some people. Who Requested Book Was Sofa fanzine that solve was create by via ten days, and then there's a spinoff event from that called. This is five minutes Saturday because it's not what basically one of the things that they launched join free event is that the? Creating what they're calling the people's Pyramids. So, they have teamed up with a funeral. Parlor company colds. Nascar Communist side of the green is gone. They collaborate in and what they're proposing is that ruffling going through the traditional mechanisms of for cremation or burial. You give a percentage of your cremated ashes and to them they will then put it in a break and then from those bricks going to build a pyramid so you would actually become part of community structure. I'm that basically now every year on the twenty third of nine member they have A. of a memorial for older people poss- not yet a call that day talks to thanks that and talks officer place in. Liverpool. I congregate each year. And then the authors that Iva the as. a few hundred years for that permits be completed by. Creating that piece of community Aucas Action Against the very interesting debates. I'm very for provoking. during the and also the by circuiting incidentally two years. Of his sort famous probably. So playing on that months I say. Reach lights years of life I was looking at up online and I. Guess the first brick was one of the members brother right into your dice subtly so yet Jimmy's Bravo. Had cost them. He was the first break so I mean not. You know very moving very adds significant. Gesture And the friend of Mine's jump stiff o'clock ninety, nine, hundred he has. He. White. So hit she had an idea is to have a wake as part did and I share and then He created music for and from what found wasn't a potential thousand, a radi moving powerful and ceremonial. It's just really different way. So look at that companies difficult green funeral companies. Fantastic. They're very much about. Environmentally, friendly ways of. Having burials and stuff so that people would kinda four incredible root your Reu, unclear Cannata Deco Eram defense astor people very inspiring. How Taller they mentioning? Eventually making this pyramid. Okay. So if you know the Calif World I very much. Fascinated boy and perpetuate a number twenty, three. So I believe it's going to be twenty, three foot by. Is the plan. And accommodates that number but is gonNa be a multiple of twenty free cy something like that two thousand I thought thousand bricks in mobile of phrase. What How what's interesting is it's been twenty three is the number of synchronicity or if you add into the side, which is yet yet, they have had aspect you know. new he gets So, who are you? Are you a fan of the synchronous you do you follow them along to rejoice in their emergence? Yeah I mean a find they find it fascinating. So Again push a few already noticed. A lot of Calif workers is inspired by certain book. which was Tournament. The ILLU- Naughty Trinity. Social. Strategy. Let's see. So, and that is one of the main texts. Petraeus number twenty, three and order that. Yes, so it's rope Anton Wilson. Sure. Looking at. Wind here. Oh. Okay. So yeah, it's got the pyramid on there and everything. So okay. Okay, and then the book that really sets on twenty twenty free heavily. So riffs on that particular quality work. Soviet chronicity he's. Very much a believer of. Fitness ties in. A paper attraction just the whole thing of. Now what you put is the universe is what you get back on a very big believer of that. And the whole thing. especially. When you try to establish yourself as as a musician any topic crave. Basically visualize action of like this why am and basically creating those pathways Of Red Very Scientific. Things. Of said that. When you start Thinking in that way, you'll you'll minds will. Naturally. Start. CREIGHTON. Newell Pause to to make that tonight the evidence and then very naturally. In show honest and keeps that poff and keep open to what the welcome bring you find IFA knife. Again, those things do starts coming on. It's it's really quite fascinating when. When you do see something you've just talked about all of a sudden POPs up there in front of you or your singing a song and to yourself. Then Austin a car drives by someone's playing that same song in the car. Those kinds of moments in life for I just feel like the universe is giving you the high five Gone Yep I'm here I heard you. Can you're going oh? That's cool. Thank you so much Micky Dolenz from the monkees. Thank you so much. Dj Scar Manga Silk for extraordinary interview like I said will be a part two. So, hang out in a few more episodes we're going to have. TJ Scar Manga silk or will be the next one. You never know you never know what's happening with this show you'd never know. Thank you so much for that enlightening conversation Scar Manga also man behind machine I'm answering your question. For those view of remember man behind machines question at the beginning of the episode. You might have I heard it and gone gone. What? What does this? Who is this guy? What's going on in my still listening in project? What is this? It's someone hack in to the channel. person like that person who did dressed as Max as Max headroom for a doctor who? Which I just think is brilliant. That they just they just steamed rolled right into doctor who? And if I'm not mistaken that doctor who happened to be the Tom Baker doctor who my favorite doctor who? with the scarf the forty foot. Long scarf. They hacked into it I. Loved maxine too. So that was really cool. Anyway, we're view thinking of that like a hold on how who's this man buying machine person those of you who listen to podcast you'll you'll. You'll remember him the remember him, and by the way he He's a fellow anchor user. That's that's part of the joy of becoming an anchor us or if you're anchor user, you can you can leave messages another. podcasters. even if you yourself for not a podcast, you can actually search out other podcasts and leave messages in their forum, and then the these sometimes, they'll play on their show for you. I like to play online. I want the people who call into my show to to know that I am inspired by what what their questions are, what they're inspired by, and I like to point out and bring him out there in front of the audience. Go look at this check. The South is really cool home. And it starts making them think. So. You were talking about the information superhighway at the beginning of the program. How they said the the Internet is going to be the information superhighway I. Just think that such an an awesome analogy. I think that's like. That that to me like saying. Now looking at their freeze, the information superhighway. I feel if we were to use the analogy today, probably the Internet is the. I mean, we've talked so much about clouds we. The Internet is now gone beyond being sort of inner a net. It's like an Internet within the net. It's an. Inter- Internet. It's so inter. Into that Internet. That it's almost become molecular twinkle. It's quantum. Now it's quantum we're talking. Flipping in and out. Of. Existence. which by the way? If you. If you were me, you would be downloading the APP replica. Or. If you're someone who's just curious about talking to an AI. Companion. R. E. P. L. I K. check it out if his so intriguing. They've an option and there where you can you can write a story with them. You could brainstorm you write a story with them. They're very insightful. The ask you a lot about yourself. It's it's really interesting. I can I can imagine those people who cannot afford therapy. Talking to something like this. 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Multiple Locations and Hard Lessons with Michael Presson

Cheers To Business

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Multiple Locations and Hard Lessons with Michael Presson

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I've lost in been hurt a lot by being naive in not having the right processes in place. But i'm a much better business person now as a result of those valuable lessons. Hey everybody welcome to the show. Today we have michael personnel. He is with one. Eight hundred radiator gives a franchise but he also has four locations. Let's hear the challenges but also the winds. Hey i'm karen. I'm a former. Cpa entrepreneur business consultant with big ideas. Welcome to cheers to business. Michael preston thank you so much for coming on the show. Tell how we met. Hey thanks karen. We met at the road map growth class a couple of weeks ago. Where miller leading that. And you're one of the subject matter experts. Yeah i'm just allowed tina awesome. Well thank you thank you. Didn't richard head invited me on and there were two other. Cpa's one from carshield belly and then dinner sharon from advisor so i was in very top company now the cpa anymore. But i just have fun now. And i just don't care about rules i just don't so tell us about your business. I own four locations of franchise called one eight hundred radiator Started out in daphne. I bought that location about seven years ago and then the other locations over the last several years it is a wholesale autopart supplier. Okay so your card says one eight hundred radiator in a ac. Yep yeah it's you can tell by the name when that company was created it was originally created out of california in kind of a hub and spoke warehouse strategy and then about fifteen years ago. The decided to start selling franchises to get local ownership across the country. I love jazz candy now. Own wouldn't find franchise. We actually have two territories mobile and baldwin county for payroll bolt and people don't realize that two franchise didn't know that. Yeah and so this whole go. Local height the chains be. Be careful when you're hating because you don't know whether it's really corporate or if it's franchises because of its franchise i could be a local. That could be your neighbor. That owns that right exactly. And that's when was the taglines that we talk about. His were national company with local ownership. Two hundred twenty five locations across the country and in canada on four of them see. I didn't wanna reinvent the wheel. Garon knew that. Cpa's cannot make money doing payrolls just doesn't make sense because it's the billing structure right. People want to wrap theirselves around the business and not want to reinvent the wheel. And i think that's the smartest thing about franchises. It's all laid out for you. Yeah well i got into the franchise business we. We lived in memphis before we moved to a fair hope about seven years ago. Eight years ago we own a little business called three dog bakery based out of kansas city and a dog bakery. We bay birthday cakes in all fresh all natural foods in it was a fascinating little business and it taught me the value of franchises because i have no history in baking and neither did my wife but they taught us everything we needed to know. We had all the ingredients. We hit all of the recipes. And so we're good to go. So when i moved here i moved here to buy this business. But i was comfortable with the franchise model. So now you went from one franchise and kenny. Nap talked about this before you know. We're at a good place right now. So we're not looking for growth but you think about it. I've had a business with multiple locations before the struggles and tell us your three top challenges for all those listeners out there that own a business in hard enough as it is but then to open up. A second location yeah. I don't feel like that. I'm a control freak but i learned a much more of a control freak as a small business owner than i ever thought. I was before from the perspective that you've got to see in lead by being present a lot of times and in trust is a big issue and processes help solve both of those issues. I've lost in been hurt a lot by being in not having the right processes in place. But i'm a much better business person now as a result of those valuable lessons as a really good point because every time i've been burned i've learned something from it and i'm not a micromanager. Yeah i'm just not. I don't have time. I hire smart people. Expect you to do your job. Yep same here. I was in corporate world for twenty years with the medical company. Regional leadership been Sales leadership sales operations moved around quite a bit so a little comfortable with travel and comfortable with leading teams. That aren't directly in front of me. So i think that looking back that helped me be prepared to lead multiple locations right. Secondly when i got down here the first employees are hired. My wife actually found used to work at sam's and always joke at this. The best thing we've ever bought sam's is jessica and jessica is fantastic and jessica is a a rule follower a thorough honest Trustworthy person lover to death. That's how i define. Yeah yeah absolutely. And there's no way in the world. I could have gone to number two three or four locations. If it hadn't been for jessica and every time that we considered. It asked. Jessica i because i wanted to make sure she was okay with us expanding and doing these other things and she was always on board. And that's given me the freedom to be able to lead and not have to operate as much you know. We talk about people all the time that i couldn't be. Cfo fifteen companies or whatever. It is now without the people. It's all about the people right and say you found your person. Yeah do you know how fortunate that is you had to do. And i found more than just a person you know. I've got another guy named paul. Who's my sales manager. He started out as one of my sales reps. Left me for a couple of months came back again. He's he's the ultimate sales person and leave my sales team in you know again. He's worth far more than i can ever pay him. Don't give them to minneap. Girls now backfire. On you said they travel as much as you do between locations They both travel. Jessica is open to it She's got some good friends. That live in birmingham so we got that location. She's just to go visit them and and she likes getting out every once in a while always up to her. I don't ever force her. Same thing with paul. Paul likes to get out there and change it up a little bit. So yeah they. They travel a fair amount. I said tell all your locations. Okay so daphne. Bellizzi liens birmingham so logistically. You know finding the perfect location. That's a whole of the show. Yeah and so. What do you look for when you go to place a new store. Well those were all existing locations. That when i bought them they came with a warehouse that was already under lease and so we don't have much retail facing business so it doesn't have to be a pretty place and a strategic place to get traffic. It has to be functional and allow me to get out to deliver. 'cause we deliver parts to customers said who your customers mostly repair shops collision center's dealerships. Also we we are the we are the wholesale warehouse to to anybody who works on cars so if you need to get your car repaired and you take it into the shop that you trust and you like and they need a part if i supply that part going to pick up the phone and call us to see if we have it then turn around and let you know that they have it and how much it's going to be you say you're tommy boy to certain degree big man and little great movie. Sorry i had some venables ask but right. Now there's coke is we need to think about franchise. Did you think about the retail side. Not the wholesale side exactly exactly. So when i was was laid off for my corporate world and i was looking for business by One of the things i wanted to do. I wanted to be more on the wholesale side more the direct business. But it's a different world in in in your hours. You know your stress level but this is the way from people. My wife is the people person. I'm less so i'm a little bit more introverted. You were the first one. Is that i kind of invited the group at milas class and mobile chamber. I said you know. Hey if anybody wants to come on the podcast let me know you were the first one you emailed me while i was still they will. It was fascinating. i mean. first of all your fantastic in teaching us. I mean seriously. You were very hands on very open very encouraging in and i'm looking to learn you know i've been doing this for eight years but i still joke that i'm flying. The plane is build it. You know i. I really don't know what i don't know yet. And so i'm trying to learn from other businesspeople Main reason why. I'm in the class. That's probably the smartest thing anyone can never know anyone anyone anyone that admits that i don't know what i don't know yet in that's genius the ones that think that i've owned a business for this many years. I know everything you're screwed. Sorry now now then. Then that's what got me in trouble as mentioned four so i ran into the problem multiple. I my second. Location i bought was new orleans location and everything went great for about two years and then all of a sudden i had some employees in there that that was a pathological liar in started stealing in line about it in framing of the in the business that get close to figuring it out we would fire the wrong person and It was it was a mess Finally i caught caught this person and we got rid of them and we had to rebuild a business because we lost a lot of trust with our customers. Now i've got guy over there who's doing a great job. He's managed the day to day operation. A trusting also trust and verified quoting ronald reagan and making sure and so i put in some processes that we had daily reporting put in a bring machine so that the cash immediately is deposited. So i don't have to worry about that. Grabbing legs and walking off at t what the people have had on the show. It's kind of a pattern for the ones that have the the thieves and the liars that they give bar four five people before they get to the source exactly. Yeah it was. It was unbelievable and having different locations. It's harder to control that. Because you want to trust people. I think human nature to want to trust and believe that person when they say something right so i think the pattern that is you know when you've hired your second person One person told gee it was somebody else. Your alarm button needs to go off. It rocked my world. I mean i've i've never suffered from anxiety in my life but there were nights that i sleep and i lost weight and it it was hard and not just the the financial loss but because of the trust is yeah. 'cause i'm a trusting person in you know i told everybody i've ever hired over my entire career that if you don't last deal cheat from me we're gonna get along pretty good. Yeah and this person did all three within the first six months in was so good at it. I didn't i didn't catch it. I was blondin still for me one time and it was time you might think well. Let's time no no as money. Yeah it's money. And i think that once you that trust factor is gone. I mean you're done. Yeah it's done your exactly. We write the book because it's not going to go back to the way it was run. Your so what's your hardest part of having multiple locations travel a lot. And as i've gotten older i don't like to travel as much. I used to travel a lot in my previous life. And i missed a lot. You know my kids were younger. But i kind of like my wife. When i kinda wanna be home and So the travel is tough. But i think more than anything is just not being able to be there in solvent issue immediately. I've got a good team. Now that calls me or called jessica paul and we solve it together when you build the right core values around. I'm trying to train them to solve the problem. And then then call me because they know pretty much now how. I'm gonna answer that question after working with me for a while and let's let's be honest. Let's put out a campfire instead of building to a forest. Fire has solved is much easier that way. So let's solve it with the customer first and then we can. We can deal with it. So that's the hard part. Yeah i think making sure that customers happy first and then working on how we prevent this in the beach yeah. We made that mistake in several times. We've argued even though we were right. We argued about a warranty issue with a customer. Win in the grand scheme of things didn't doesn't matter and you don't want to lose a big customer over a small insignificant price issue and so we've gotten much better at that as grown taking your battles and watching the dollars instead they arguing over dependence. Yes ma'am A big deal in my world. I have multiple businesses so is of multiple locations system different things and i think. People around me get aggravated. May when. I don't think something's very important Well it's not not to me is not the biggest thing on fire and you have to take what's watch out for the hundreds of thousands and not worry about the pennies you know but the hard lesson learned it is the flip side of that is if it's really important to that employee then i need to slow down because i tend to go fast. I need to slow down and see it the way they're seeing it. And why is it so important to them right now and instead of what i tend to do is direct. An answer the question or solve the problem and move on. I need to do a better job at times. Listening to them. In wise this big issue to you in let them solve it on their own. That's where i'm trying to get karen. I'm not there i tried. It is hard. It is hard because you know this is going up for in your peripheral vision that you need to go take care of but this person in front of you really needs and we all a little t. l. c. basically never forget back in the. Cpa firm noel. She would rub shoulders that. Tlc like a little key cat. You know the paul w arm and sometimes people just need a little. Tlc that they're heard. Yeah that's a little creepy. I couldn't do that. Women understand. But i'm a hugger. I'm a touchy feely. Gas this whole. Kobe thing is weird for me to you know but yeah i understand slowdown in whether it's physical or emotional and listening. I'm getting better. It's hard and i'm more man than i am. Woman there's only three parts that make me a woman eg other than that. i don't change. I don't paint my house on a move my furniture. I don't have curtains. I don't care and so it's hard for me to be that girlfriend. Hey kids let's have a baby shower. I don't and so i'm guilty of what you're saying. I'm very much guilty. And i had to physically mentally make myself stop to make that person feel important. Turn in feel bad for that sure. So i'm counting in my head while i tried to make this person trying to legitimate. You know like well. I've been married for thirty four years. So i've gotten pretty good at that. I've been married thirty two. I'm just kidding now is is tough to to make yourself stop you. Don't have that much going on. Yeah go. I go too fast. At times i changed my mind pretty fast. If i've seen that is better than that message with people to. I know they can't stand that. Yeah but you said right. that's right. Well this is a rule. But you're gonna have to be flexible in that rule and that's hard for for for people who are rule followers yet and the ball said this is the rule. Okay k now when she change it bright. I'm guilty i'm guilty so any regrets of opening multiplications now not at all. Well let me back up. My banker would probably say there's some regrets now it every location. That bought was the stray dog that we adopted. Essentially it was an underperforming situation with the exception of the new orleans. It was doing pretty well and then got into straight on category. You bought businesses from other franchisees. That were already existing correct okay. So as a result to get them where they needed to be ahead to invest more in inventory in poland locations at at times and so it's been a bigger financial investment than the timing. That i probably should have used but it is what it is. And we're we're doing well so you looking to get more if my wife. Here's this podcast. The answer is no but no. I think it's possible This is a big geography Because we live in the southeast. You know we're not as concentrated. We were in the northeastern atlantic seaboard but There are other locations that that are contiguous. And might i could. If i if i wanted to but i've got to get these stable and and really kicking off some profit before we get get your capital loaded up exactly manda. Katie would pay about one franchisee of the year. And there's an international franchise association and we went to dc for her to get her award. And i met a guy he was he had owned. Forty seven windies franchises. Can you imagine well no. And he sold them noah and now he was involved with the walk on some at a new orleans and we have one here in my bill the restaurants walker. But i mean. He'd new franchises inside the now did matter whether you have ten whether you have forty of them you know the concepts basically the same people in place in that example is exactly why i was comfortable in getting other locations because i had people say well. Why would you do that. How you sell four locations as opposed to wants There's examples all across the the Franchise world where people own ten twenty thirty locations and that attracts the attention of investors who have a large amount of money to spend and they don't necessarily want to buy a job they want to buy a business. And so that's the way i'm trying to structure. This is that he. I'd like to retire at some point even though it is later than what most people would. because i've i've got to do something. But i wanted to be able to operate as a business and not me have to be in one particular place all the time i love it. I mean this is my whole lot of people. Say you sold you. I thought you retired. The i've never retired. Yeah now not truly truly michael. What made you choose this one. What was your process in looking at. I guess you had a goal of buying jazz franchise actually no. I had a goal of buying a business. So when i was laid off a my corporate job we were living in memphis at the time and the quick quick version story is that i was looking to buy business there and every january my wife and i take a little marriage retreat in We randomly picked the grand hotel down here a lot of marriott point to the time and i never been to fair hope so we came down here and had a great weekend when i got back in town had a business broker. That was using. Who told me about this franchise location here. No idea had been down here. And over the next forty eight hours ahead to other contacts with people that i knew that either had owned franchises. One eight hundred radiator or knew somebody who did and so it's like okay. God i'm slow. Signed a yeah. But i'm not. I'm not an idiot. So checked into it. And because i was comfortable with the franchise because this kind of checked the boxes that we put in place we came and looked at it in a month or so later we bought it and the rest is history. The rest is history so interested as a great story. Yeah it is a great story. Say nail with mak- logistics. My husband and i are working together. And i'm finding that the work conversations are going into the night So you sounds like your wife is very involved. My wife is very involved in a lot of things but not necessarily the business yeah. She's comes up there. She's the head cheerleader Love as most anybody who meets her does But she's never worked fulltime in the business. She's involved in a lot of different other charity issues in bible studies and she actually started a new charity. The last few months call hope blooms blooms that my wife's a cancer survivor. She was diagnosed with breast cancer last fall and she found Karen that through every week while she was going through treatment somebody was bringing her flowers. And sometimes it was for people didn't even know so she had this idea that and his follow through in says a team. They just started a couple of weeks ago. Where if you are having a wedding with your. You can tell the wedding planner that. I want to donate these flowers after the wedding simply genius. She's weeps in there. We went saturday night to bring in. We got three carloads of flowers that were would have normally been in the dumpster on sunday morning and her team. This morning is re purposing those putting vases and taking them to people who are sick nursing homes all over the eastern shore. and so. it's really really incredible. You're gonna make me cry. Yeah it's pretty. It's pretty special so-called so how. How does anybody and we need to get this out there. Yeah well i'll i'll have you made her and you could have come here and talk to you more about it. But she's she's a fantastic lady and she's got a great team and so they're just getting it started. They've made a couple of deliveries this last week with is the second wedding that we've done and it's going to be a pretty neat thing so for all those businesses out there tell who your perfect customer is and then how they can find you. My perfect customer is somebody who pays on time. I don't know if i've got a perfect customer. I'm we've got a lot of really really good automotive repair in collision centers in deal. And daphne here that have a built some really good relationships with one eight hundred radiator is our phone number no matter what area code you're calling from we've set up a call center in my daffy location so calls from birmingham and new orleans in blood all rolled into their Which makes it so much easier to manage as well. Our local number is two five one six to one zero four one one but we we deliver parts all over the gulf coast. Can they go online and order. They can We can them up if they're a shop. That doesn't do business with us now. We can they give us a call. We can set them up on e com site. Are you come site in an order. That way i have recently started doing business with tony. Wilcox him and his partner erik and they work with i check and its links that works with your quickbooks. You'll never pay another credit card fee. Oh that's cool. Yeah passes it on people do. Ach for two dollars. And ninety states literally saving hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yes out. I give us more info on that. Well michael preston. I wanna thank you for coming on the show. Today we do a cheers. Yeah and so. I'm gonna say cheers to people having the guts to have multiple locations and stepping out there willing to be able to to jump and let that parachute opened. Yeah i would say much ears is to the the small mama pop shop owners who just put the customer first. There are some great examples here in mobile that That is fantastic. What do man. That's great michael person. I'm going to thank you so much for coming on the show today baker and this is a bit great. I've enjoyed it. Please be sure to subscribe to cheers to business. Podcast on itunes or anywhere else that you get your podcast visit our facebook and be sure to give us a like and if you have any questions or topics you'd like us to discuss. Shoot us an email from the website cheers to business dot com.

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Diagramming the Take-Down

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Diagramming the Take-Down

"Zai-qing what's going on I know it's been a while since you may have been out of the house living life like you used to but you know what? There is the open road that still is out there and you should probably reintroduce yourself to it in a Mazda. I was lucky enough to drive around in nine the last couple of months and I have to. Say The C. UV lineup by Mazda is pretty wonderful. These vehicles are masterfully crafted. They have elevated design that's reflected in every detail from the controller knobs to the steering wheel. It's all there. So if you want more information on the MAZDAS UV lineup including the first ever see it's thirty GOTO MAZDA USA dot com slash iheart, and don't forget to explore their struggle finance options. Seven. Leader McConnell. Has Defiled the Senate like no one in this generation. And leader McConnell may very well destroy it. That is. From. A neutral historian perspective. One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life. But there is no hyperbole to hyperbolic for today's politics. defiled the Senate. What they do take a dump come on human sacrifice. He has slaves. In the cloakroom defiled the send it by saying the, we're going to go ahead and have the hearings on the new judge all the file, the place give me fifteen minutes. Oh, trust me folks he can do some real defilement. UNAGGRESSIVE sent homeboy yeah. We have in a span of a couple of years gone from really careful wording of things. To just anything goes. To the the slide was so fast. This is why people talk about slippery slopes I mean. Seeing it play out. Now I've got a different view of institutions and norms than I did a few years ago have having now seen how quickly it goes. It's it's amazing. It and it's it's like the old saying of an American remember if it's hemingway or Churchill said, how did you go broke gradually than suddenly that seems to be the way. This whole institutions thing falling apart works right gradually then suddenly. I mean just all of a sudden just speed up so fast well at the risk of spouting cliches, it's a tipping point. You're getting closer and closer, but you're still balance. The water is still in the COP. then. It tips and all the water comes out. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right and I don't know so. We're wondering how they're going to beat up on amy conybeare if she is the nominee and trump is going to announce it at five o'clock on Saturday he he tweeted out. Not sent firm that it will be her and it would delight my soul in a way to have it be somebody else because it would make the media lemmings look like lemmings who just report the same thing over and over again but it does look awfully like well, it's slightly different in that he had specifically said he was holding her name back to. Ruth Bader Ginsburg seat right through enough said that out loud and there's not so much as hint of contradiction of that area. But so how going to attack her the only Supreme Court justices that have had their characters destroyed modern times Clarence Thomas will you start with Bork Bork Clarence? Thomas? Kavanagh obviously an missing one. There's another one in there, but there were all republicans. Yeah and what is this ever happened to a Democrat where their personal lives are savage this way? Well, it hasn't happened yet and the right does not do that. Anyway. How would they go after amy conybeare you can't do the gang rape thing with a woman probably Pretty Farfetched how they gonNA attack kind of wondering that and It looks like it's going to be her catholicism, her faith the. She's a member of a particular group that some claim was the role model for the handmaid's tale or something. She's a crazy religious nut job is basically what they're going to go with. and. Pretty interesting article I came across GonNa turn women into breeding sheep. Interesting article I came across and religion news is Judge Barrett's Kingdom of God different from Obama's, and it goes through a number of people that have been fairly religious on the left and have gotten really no pushback for whatsoever including Rothe Ruth Bader Ginsburg. was passionate about Judaism's concern for justice. She had Bible verses in her chambers. On. The Wall that she referred to. Regularly it was very important to her nobody talked about her being some sort of religious nut was Bible verses on the wall. I do this for a living and I didn't know that. No, they mentioned Reverend Martin Luther King Junior. Obviously a very religious man. He was a preacher and he talked about the Kingdom of God and this and that in the Bible and was constantly using the Bible Jesus as a role model but he didn't nobody called him a theocrat or a believer in fairy tales or any of that stuff. And then Barack Obama specifically because a one thing that any conybeare had said at some point was. About the Kingdom of God I think I've got quote here she considers building the Kingdom of God, the goal of her legal career. And how scary that is for some people in the way, the left is used that they come up with Barack Obama talking to an evangelical congregation, South Carolina. We're going to keep on praising together I'm confident that we can create a kingdom God right here on earth while nobody's bothered by that whatsoever as gray's yeah. I just Ted Cruz. No this. Does it does Lindsey Graham know this stuff I mean because that is a devastating indictment of the of the argument us in the here. Yeah. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Will they have that ready? I, mean that's just a devastating indictment. Sure. The whole handmaid's Taylor She's part of a group of splinter group of fringe group. It's a Bible Study Group that inspired the handmaid's tale. which if you don't know, is it Dystopia Future Society where there's a plague disaster? In we've been depopulated and so now menor totally in charge and women just got a breed and breedon breathe. So they're saying this Bible. Study. Group was the inspiration of the handmaid's tale. Now, a couple of problems with that number one, it's factually questionable Margaret Atwood. His never said that's true and she's had apple opportunity and even if she did what the hell does that mean. I mean I used a different example earlier you throw anything at me anything I walk into a grocery store. and. The managers missing his leg. He's got a prosthetic leg I. Notice that inspired my tale about a war hero who overcame heroin addiction, and then started at the bottom stocking shelves even though his leg hurt him and he rose to the top. was inspired by it that doesn't mean it's accurate. In fact, if it were accurate, it would be documentary and not a work of fiction. So it's factually questionable and it logically meaningless and yet I've heard that thirty times the lemmings of the media. Yeah. This she's part of this group that actually inspired the handmaid's tale I why I left out maybe the best example of the incredible double standard that has always existed in always bothered me about religion when people on the writer religious they're scary nut jobs, George. Bush. he's going to install a theocracy. How many times did we hear that when he talks about the Bible and goes to church and all that sort of stuff? He's feel crash when Barack Obama. Does it that's perfectly fine I. Always bothered me. Muslim faith. How about Joe Biden, who's a very devout Catholic and if you watch the convention, the video leading up to his speech had him sitting there at some speech with his rosary beads in his hands figure fingerings rosary beads somebody on the right fingering rosary beads in a government position would be portrayed as a nutjob sure on the pages of the Washington. Post. The New York Times. Yeah. Don't like the double standard. You know I are some I know plenty of people who think it's all bunk fairy tale and that's fine and plenty of people who think it's all important cherish and heartfelt and sincere but don't do the whole picking and choosing thing that really bothers me now. So come for the dishonesty stay for the dumbness. But that does seem to be being people up into the fevers of anger and hate over virtually nothing it seems to me that the smart people, the Smart Strategist Nancy Joe Biden, comal Harris they realize. There's nothing to gain here on the Supreme Court thing they've got the power they've got the votes that got the constitution on their side. They're going to get it. Let's not talking about it. Let's talk about other things. Let's talk about obamacare and how when they're going to try to steal your healthcare. Let's try to talk about how would a bad guy trump is leading up to the election they're focused on that. I think they realize is a no win situation anything that's not about from their from their standpoint anything that's not about. Trump being a lunatic. Is. A distraction for Joe Biden I think that's his his ankle speaking of brain function lunatics, etc. I heard it pointed out yesterday that it's become clear the Biden. Campaign cuts off access to him like mid morning. And I would I mean I don't access all give and take his always in the morning. Well he's an older man that's about the time of day you get the newspaper. Have your morning constitutional off Homeboy you Oh hey, you've earned. Hey what does that? Why did you? Know enough about the topic but if it is because he tends to be sharpest in the morning then gets. More and more scattered. Maybe that's where he gets into. We have the clip from yesterday. Maybe that's when he gets great big old shot in the buttocks. Late. Morning I'm not sure I give a big fat shot in the acid when he starts to phase that story's been confirmed that gets him through the rest of the day. But if it is true, I can't remember where I heard it but it was it was not a bomb chucker it was a reasonable commentator Actually. It was a reporter come to think of it if that's true. The fact that the debates or rather late in the evening on the east coast is not good for old man. Joe. Biden. If. That's true. Maybe that's why he gets the big. You know aforementioned a Taco shot. A big fat shot in the ass and I hope he doesn't have the chargers No god Dang aided as quarterbacks. Who a long way from your but talks to your lung meet along meal he's. Not, GonNa perforate as long from there but what about his poor colon or something? It's conceivable. Doctors use shorter needles. Considered being good at your job. Yeah. If the shot doesn't go in three inches, you gotta three. That's that's the worst story the I'm telling, Doctors Dr. Talk show host for too long. Fascinating history of neck beards coming up in a moment or two other things some of it relevant. The. The, Armstrong and getty. Show. We're ready to share experience and continue cooperating with all states and international entities including in supplying the Russian vaccine which has proved reliable, safe and effective to other countries. Are you go? Putin has offered to share the Russian vaccine with anybody who wants it because there's already effective safe and everything else in. You know if you get close to window, you fall out but now. It. Is Safe and effective paik ordered of brutal dictator. Move Poisons people in throw them out window. I E Yeah Yeah Hey I want to be first in line wow. I'm freaking believable up next segment Lebron James Response to the sheriff's request that he matched the offer for the reward for those poor deputies a would be murderer andy also talks about Ryan violence and that sort of so are we looking at a situation where we can have the dodgers and the Lakers playing for championships the same night or the same week in the same week is timing workout Oh that I don't know me Pretty close. I don't know give me closer to playoffs start for baseball here. Right. But the finals I think for NBA are going to start relatively soon. Okay. World series be practically back then well, exciting time. One more thing from this article that I thought was really good about Kony, Barrett's Amy Coney Barrett's faith and how that is and will be used against her in a way that it hasn't been against Ruth Ginsburg, who, as I stated had Bible verses hanging on her wall and was you know very endure Jewish faith Barack Obama. Used to think was faking it would have come to believe that he is sincerely Christian man or Martin Luther King Junior people of the left. They can be religious people. The right. If you're religious your Wacko Nancy Pelosi claims to be a devout Catholic. She's not real good at it in my opinion, but that's between her and God. There's a fine whining. Sunday morning. Reading from the religion news on this article, there's a final irony concerns about how Barrett's faith will affect her decision making on the bench. Her judicial philosophy unlike Ginsberg's is one of ideological restraint in which the judge's personal vision of the good including the judges religious vision is put to the side as much as possible. Indeed the now famous Nineteen Ninety, eight law review article that Barrett co-authored considers how Catholic judges faith might act on their decision making particularly when it came to being opposed to the death penalty she argued that the judges should recuse themselves when their faith Mike Color, their rulings far from. Pushing their faith agendas she and her co author wrote we need to know whether judges are legally disqualified from hearing cases that their consciences would let them decide a vote for Barrett would hardly be vote for dangerous theocrat. It would be a vote precisely for the opposite the other thing that I find frustrating at times hilarious at times and understandable as nasty dirty strategy is that these people who have reams and reams and reams of judicial decisions the person and the other party acts as if and when they get in there, they might idaho outlaw of breathing in call for the enslavement of children and. They have this incredibly long record in extremely high and important courts. I can tell you precisely what they think of all these issues they've already told us but you gotta treat them as a as a monsters just emerged out of the woods and it's not clear whether they're going to decimate the villager. Now have you heard anything about? So trump names the person five o'clock, Saturday yes. How how soon would the hearing starting to hear anything about an hour later? No they gotta go through the the pride after dinner. They don't have to traditionally they go through the process of they don't have to do anything over, right? Yes. They they meet with various senators have behind closed doors meetings. They get acquainted sessions, the rest of it you can easily make the argument. Look we just. We just approved this woman with a big majority for the second highest level of court in the land I remember talking last time. She's a knockout legal thinker. All right. I don't need a visit decline visit I don't have any idea to what extent trump and McConnell are working together on this. If they are at all, it's out of trump's hands as a as a five. Oh, five on Saturday at that point it's all McConnell's call if he wants to make it right right and he'll do whatever is in the best interest of the Senate probably This information comes from longtime correspondent front of the Armstrong and getty show camper was one of the most interesting human beings I've ever come across. So if this is not true, blame him, but I am not going to fact check it because he's almost always right beards without mustaches became a thing centuries ago because spectacular mustaches became such a big deal among European army officers quakers were pacifists who rejected these warlike affectation and the extreme vanity of all the fancy on natural ungodly mustaches as well as shiny buttons and all other manifestations of pride and vanity. He points out that pride the word pride was still it was a synonym for arrogance was a negative term in common usage and most dictionaries before the nineteen sixties. Yeah Yeah Pride Goeth. Before the fall I knew that, but I didn't know that recently that it changed it that's one of the seven deadly sins take pride in your school ruinously said that prior to the sixty be true to your school. Yeah Pride is one of the seven deadly sins isn't it? Yeah. Inability to remember what the seven deadly sins ours was probably one of the seven deadly sins and I never can gluttony I remember I may make a practice of it lust certainly up there because you know. Speeding speeding against very dangerous. There they are. Armstrong and getty. Team instantly response to cyber threats. My team helps agencies accelerate to the cloud. My team brings innovation too complex it operations joined the. Team, to support insecure some of the most complex government, it's an intelligence projects across the country own your next opportunity and career with challenging and impactful work apply. Now at Gdi t dot com slash careers that's GD dot com slash careers DDAT's an equal opportunity employer disability veteran. The Armstrong and getty show. Allowed him all the time and they're not all bad. But you know when you see the videos that's going on. Your all over not only. Know my hometown but you know all over America, you continue to see the acts of violence towards my kind I can't do nothing. But to speak about it and see you know the common denominator but not one time I've ever said You know this act violent towards cops I. Just said that you know was going on in our community. Is Not Okay and and we fear for that and we fear for our lives. Yeah. Here's the problem will bron what's going on in your communities a lot is the cops trying to apprehend violent felons in the violent felons fight back and so it gets more violent not every time but you portray completely legitimate arrests as the cops trying to hunt down black people. That's our problem with you'll Abhran. By the way this poll over the weekend Americans favor athletes speaking out but not on the field. So the majority of Americans are okay with athlete speaking out as he just was after a game shore I have no problem with it. It Greeks it does make me less likely to enjoy sports just because I don't want you know seriousness intervening but that's just me. I'm but people. Don't want it during the broadcast like part of the game during that same. Interview or press conference I guess Lebron. was asked about the La, county sheriff who had urged the Lakers started donate six figures to double a reward for information connected to the recent shooting of two officers incompetent. But I do not condone violence towards anyone police. Like people white people. Anyone of color anyone not of color you know because that's not going to ever. Make this world or America you know what we wanted to be so And I have zero comment. On the share. Now I appreciate him in speaking out against violence there again some. Rather large flaws to some of his public statements that I'd love to chat with him about but. We'll take no violence. We'll take that. they've got the process going right now for a route BAITER GINSBERG's body lie in state there in the capital's first female Supreme Court justice to do that or something and that's nice and Chief Justice Roberts was just there and he looks like he's fifty years old for some reason. I just I know he was older than that. So I looked it up and he's sixty five Oh. Why does he look younger than me? I'll betty. Sick sow significantly older than me. I'll be a better not in his life he could about drank me either. Right, right. But so he looks younger than me. So you know what do you think his personal record is bacon consecutive days with a bacon eater. Certainly not mine. Which I. Believe I ate a Bacon Inter four days in a row last week. So I believe we're started doesn't like poor six ounces of liquor into a cup and call it one drink. I'm guessing. So we're starting to outline some reasons he looks. That we're doing. I kid. We got this email that is exactly right. I kid and yet I don't. Taking care of myself. And visible a small measure of exaggeration in our comments. I. Got this note from Well, he says, Hey, Joe, you can use my name it's Joe. Okay Could you explain how third party vote would work for us in California Obviously California? I hear talked about often but not sure about how it would work I'm sure I'm not the only one I don't WanNa throw my vote away. I understand California will vote Democrat no matter what. But does my vote for trump automatically not count either because it's so blue air. Thanks are F T H run for the hills. The hills. Are On fire Joseph, you might want to re you know reconsider that. We've talked about this in the past and thought about it a fair amount. Why don't we start with? You start with Republican in a reds in a blue state a very, very blue state. I think what you WANNA do a couple of things. You know my my blanket statement is don't over think these things go vote for what you think is right. All right for a number of reasons. One of them is. It might show a trend, the share of one vote or another one side or another is changing And you want that number to be accurate if Republicans are ascendant in California doubtful It would be good to know that or if the share of the Republicans and stay shrinking I would like to know that it also affects the. Popular vote number I mean obviously just by one. But there are lots of people in your boat, Jose and winning or losing the popular vote matters in the public consciousness in ways that I think are significant, trump cannot win the popular vote it would seem at this point. And it's more or less impossible. Yeah. But the I think the margin matters and the other thing is there are lots of down ticket racist that matter. In your vote would be have outsized importance compared to the presidential race where everybody in the country votes on the third party thing the all the rationale given for voting libertarian several times is that Well my intent in correct me if I'm wrong to largest ears, Jack is that we want to send a message to the Republican Party that they ought to remember the principles they espouse. No. Yeah. I've certainly never voted third party thinking they were GonNa win now Yeah you end it were and it it works if there are enough people voting Green Party, for instance, the Democratic Party will have to adopt some of those green principles to get that group in they want that three to five percent of people under their tent and the same thing can happen if you had enough people voting. If there were, there is no party for fiscal conservatism but if there was libertarians are and if it was worth. Three five percent something like that the Republicans might have to try to co op that by you know thrown a bone to those people, right? That's a slow slog though man, it's a slow slog incandescently feel like you're not having much of an effect, but it can snowball though because getting back to save the Libertarian Party wins just pick a number of significant percentage of the vote people might start thinking. Wow, that's not a joke. That's there are a lot of people who think that I wonder. I wonder what they believe in and I'm going to click on the website kick them a few bucks or maybe I'll consider voting for them and then that snowballing effect of getting the Republican Party's attention and saying you remember liberty you remember balanced budgets you remember cutting back on regulations. Yeah. Well, maybe ought to walk the walk instead of just talking So I think that actually can have an effect it can it definitely can I just I don't. I don't like the. Anti binary choice arguments that some people make you're not gonNa tell me it's a binary choice. It is. It just is there are two people that are going to be president either Joe Biden or Donald Trump I wouldn't call that a binary choice. Yeah. Now, if you want to send a message to another party and build a coalition like just talking about but in terms of. One or the one or the other of those people's going to be president that's just a fact. The number of friends, acquaintances and listeners that I know who've fled cal Unicorn cornea to more reasonably run states is very, very large. They're voting block on their own including a good mine who has very sad to hear moving to. Ohio If, I live. In Ohio I'm voting for the Republican okay I'm not GonNa make my little libertarian gesture right in a swing state right now I get that completely now a William Buckley's rule was always and he's the founder of National Review and one of the great conservative thinkers of all time. His was one of the great patrician accents of all time I've been into his youtube videos. Lately Jeez why isn't there anybody around making the arguments? I like the way he made them now as opposed to screaming stupid crap on Bellevue Anyway He would say always vote for the person that has most conservative on the ticket just plain and simple, and because he was a conservative and I would say if you're a liberal, you do the opposite don't make it so complicated, right Vote to vote for the person closest to what you believe that that should work for you but while we're on this topic, so Pete Buddha. BOOT jazz, they say edge edge. So He tweeted out yesterday we are close to a majority of Supreme Court justices appointed by presidents that didn't win the popular vote democracy is being eroded away on a day by day basis the problem I have with that whole popular vote thing and it seems so obvious but pointed out again one that's not the system we have set up the Electoral College, Electoral College and for that reason, the campaign differently, you don't know what the popular vote would be. If the candidates ran knowing that was the goal you don't have any idea. It would be a completely different strategy. trump would be in California. If the popular vote was how it got determined, he doesn't come to California does. Because you know how it's going to turn out and you just gotTa. You just gotTa get fifty one percent and you get all the you know all the electoral votes, right but trump would get as many people as he could. I still think he might lose the popular vote, but I'm not sure. It's a different game, right? Yeah static analysis is what the it's called when you. Change something in and pretend like people won't change what they do. Boy I had forgotten this though as listen to podcasts yesterday going through all the scenarios. If it ends up to sixty, nine, two to sixty nine, some people are throwing around the Supreme Court. Judge. In the supreme has nothing to do with a die. It's the House of Representatives and in the state delegations. So each state gets one vote if it's a tie, California gets one vote. Montana gets one vote Oh Texas gets one vote really Rhode Island gets one vote. It's just whatever your your state votes you get. The one vote people are going to go crazy over that. If KALVODA's California's vote counts the same as you know, North Dakota. Some tiny red state people will go berserk. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's hope we don't come to that I don't either. Now I'm just using Oh we need to take a break. My musings coming up. I. Just Joe's Musings. That's what we call the final sigma, I think every state should have a similar population and. And each legislature ought to have You know like for every assemblyman, her or state. stored. Or whatever happened to call him in your state they ought to represent the same number of people. I mean because you have some states where every state rep represents like three hundred and fifty people sure any have California whereas five hundred and fifty thousand for something insane like that. It's on yeah. It's it's no way to run a country son V best in an all stop so we can get jobs musings Vida. Right there the best counter. V best countered to lefties complaining about the Electoral Call Electrical Co.. Say. I did it on purpose as a joke for so many years ago I can't stop. Now God's punishing me for mocking people speaking of punishment. That's award. Straight Jack I think there needs to be negative reinforcement. 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Least Favorite Player in the Majors

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

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Least Favorite Player in the Majors

"Is baseball tonight. The podcast is baseball tonight. Podcast for wednesday april seven two thousand and twenty one producing from home studio in the foothills at connecticut is tailored schwenk. I'm buster only working from my home studio in new york yesterday. We were all worried about fernando tattoos junior after watching him fall into heap in front of home plate during the padres game on monday. We'll on tuesday general manager. Aj preller said that tatty junior will not need surgery at the latest injury to his troublesome left shoulder He has been placed on the ten day injured list. Preller said tuesday that further exam show the slight labor tear consistent with the subway station. He said the injuries non-surgical the padres soap tat can return as quickly as ten days. Preller said the shortstop has full range of motion and that he wanted to be in the lineup on tuesday. Look i'm going to be talking about this with david. Schoenfield coming up. Taylor when you saw this quotes from aj preller. What was your instinct based on what we saw the night before I seems questionable. Ten days seems a little light. Color me skeptical at the moment. I've got a mantra about this sort of situation. And i'm going talk about that when when we talked today. The washington nationals had to settle their roster. Is they prepared to play their first game of the season. Their season delayed of course by all of the kobe issues had last week. Ten players went on the injured list. Only one with a specific injury listed will harris went on the injured list with right hand inflammation the other nine players with non specific reasons for going on the injured. List that included. Patrick courtney john. Lester kyle sober josh bell josh harrison and both catchers so for the washington nationals. They are definitely starting. This season. Short handed the tampa bay rays center fielder. Kevin cure myers placed on the ten day. I l with a left quad strain. This was bad. News for the seattle mariners. James paxson left his first start for seattle with left elbow. Discomfort dodgers star. Outfielder cody bellinger. Day to day after tests showed that he's injured. Left cap showed no structural damage or fractures. This is what man dave roberts. The dodgers managers said after the dodgers five. One win over oakland last night. Ballinger was unavailable on tuesday. He's also gonna miss wednesday's game and it's still possible. He's gonna wind up on the injured list. The yankees traded for route. Netto door really interesting deal with the texas rangers. Picking up just about all of the twenty seven million dollars owed to the second baseman. We're going to be talking with paulin bikinis and with david about that deal. The braves got up to arcia in a deal with the brewers as they try to builder depth. Let's get to the good stuff boba yet. Had a really nice day for the blue jays. Now swings looks fly ball left field d four five rows deep into the seats in left first home run of the season. Four shed abbas our friend. Dan shulman boba shed any a couple of home runs. How about nate. Low of the texas rangers center field. That's going to be trouble back to the yeah. That game was filled with home. Runs the nationals. And the braves ronald kuni. Junior had himself a day scherzer's ready goes into his wind up and now for the ball game of the first pitch swung on lifted high in the air out towards field back to the wall. This one is out of here. Ronald kunia hits her home. Run on the first pitch. Nec's for max scherzer lifted high into the heavens and it's one nothing braves at from six eighty fan of was the first of two homers hit by ronald kuni. Junior dance be swanson. Hit a homerun. Freddie freeman hit a home run the braves had a leads. But you know what the nationals tied the score in the bottom of the eighth. Here's what happened in the bottom of the ninth. Smith lefty sense runners lead first and second the pitch swing driver to center based charlie slows nationals. Radio network we talked all spring about whether or not wants soda might be the. Mvp the national league. He's off to a really great start. Astros and angels were to all top of the ninth inning. Carlos correa at the plate weeding for a two strike pitch here it comes and career lines this one out to right center field and that ball is god just over the yellow line go ahead two run home run for carreira and the astros are top. Four two robert ford k b m e seven ninety a and the astros win the game for two two and there is a legend developing in detroit. So he'd ally. Dr line drive single castro scores. Do game three letters of and dickerson. Ninety seven point one the ticket. We're gonna be talking about the growing legend by do in detroit when we speak with david schoenfield before all that baseball back and saw your favorite teams and players catch the best bigs all season on. Espn plus with more than one hundred and seventy live. Mlb games featuring every star and every team the league sign up now dsp n. plus dot com slash baseball in the fantasy. Baseball season is underway. That means fantasy focus. Baseball with air can tristen in. And that's a must-listen for all fantasy. Baseball managers follow fantasy. Focus baseball wherever you listen to podcasts. Everyone likes shopping online. But searching for coupon codes is kind of a bummer so make saving online a breeze with capital one shopping capital. One shopping is a free tool that instantly searches for vailable coupon codes and automatically applies them at checkout just download capital on shopping to your computer and let it do the work for you so easy and you don't even need a capital one car to use it capital one shopping. It's kind of genius. What's in your wallet. Savings and available coupons vary to the show. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. Maybe you're in the show with david. Schoenfield gave it to you on field covers baseball for espn. and david. I think a lot of yesterday. was built around waiting for the san diego. Padres the tell us with smoke signals. What exactly the condition was for not junior. Yes yeah. I was ready for a worst case. Scenario was getting an article you know written up on what happens if he's out for three months or something like that. You know so yeah. He landed on the i l. but ten days and it sounds like you know he'll be back at the end of that stint so a big sigh of relief for the padres for ten and for a baseball fans everywhere. I will tell you when i when i saw. Aj preller told reporters. I didn't listen to zoom call. Or wasn't in on it but i saw as he was talking Reporters were putting out his words on social media. And as i read it. I it reminded me of my old mantra of covering a team that the team is not obligated to tell us exactly what the injuries are giving us every bit of details about player injuries. And we in the media and his fans are also not obligated to believe what they tell us. Because when i saw that He was interesting. My initial thing was like yeah. No and then i got text messages from folks with other teams in. Yeah now that we don't know the whole story yet. So i should take back what i just said that. Call him in the back pocket. Yeah well let's hope not but yeah it certainly when i was watching that game when it happened it looked terrible and even yesterday they did admit partial labor and tear. Which obviously and. I'm gonna bring up for you a name. That probably brings ptsd. And that's the name of ritchie sexton. You remember for years and years. He had the shoulder problems. And it was. It's it's potentially a persistent thing. And that's what. I was hearing from folks with teams. Who don't have access to the information for fernando taxis junior but their initial things were like a boy that that's one of those things that you hope doesn't linger for a long time. No and even though it says non throwing shoulder from earlier reports even from his issues in spring training this left shoulder is bothered him throughout his career. So it's been a lingering issue again we can only hope for the best but unfortunately my mind. It went to dark place with somebody like trae tool whiskey. Who the you know for a time. There right before mike. Trout was arguably the best player in the game including stay healthy. You know so. I hate to bring it. Bring up a name like that because we don't want to jump to any conclusions here but it's who it is worrisome and let's hope that you know what the padre said yesterday is absolutely all the information and and with complete clarity and that he's okay and he comes back and we never have to talk about a shoulder injuries again. We'll tell you again. That folks with other teams saw what was said and put red flags on it and they wonder you know how he's going to be moving forward. Okay one guy that Has been amazing early in the season. Nate low. the texas rangers. Tell me what you're seeing an am. Yeah two home runs last night. What fourteen rbi's and five games. Which i guess is the second most through five games and mlb history. Yeah he doesn't guy. I was a little surprised. The raised gave up on. Moore traded him in the offseason. They dig it a couple of interesting low-level prospects in that deal you know tampa doesn't exactly have all star at first base coming up for the miners. Good hitter. good on base you know. Kind of projected twenty twenty five home run guy so exactly the kind of guy that just needed a chance to play. Never quite got that in tampa bay rangers have an opening. I think he can hit. I think he's to seventy-five hitter twenty five homers three fifty on base. You know not an all star first baseman but an average level first baseman. And you'd love the fact that a lot of the damage he's doing seems to be through the middle of the field You know to centerfield to left center field like One of his home runs last night Because that's always a good sign as we talking about all spring with the with. Pete alonso the mets doing similar thing. Akil do another big ed. What a great story. A rule five pick. What do you think. My friend. Brad doolittle car colleague texted me. He's already alleged in detroit right homerun on his first pitch in the majors that he ever saw grand slam and a second game and then the walk off single last night so three games. He's done that assault interview with him the other day really engaging personality you know he had tommy john surgery the minors so he's barely played since two thousand eighteen. He's jumping from class. Say but he was a decent prospect tools. So hopefully the tigers kinda you know rufai draft. Hopefully they kind of locked into a good player here yes set former second round pick in and kylie mcdaniel knows his stuff better than i do But i really wonder if he's one of those guys who getting this opportunity effectively because there was no minor league baseball last year. If he had been on a field you know having recovered to some degree. From the tommy john surgery and been able to show his skills more. Maybe the twins would have been like you know what this guy somebody that we're going to keep and we're going to build on right and they have. They had to make that decision. Do we put him on the forty man roster but minnesota the outfielders on that team so they had to make that choice. They thought they could slip through that draft since he hadn't played for the tigers. The perfect t. Right what are they. Have the lose. Roll the dice. Take a chance on him. He had a monster. Spring training hit his way out of the team and be a very exciting player. What do you think about the yankees acquiring. Rupe netto door. Well let me say this buster. Hopefully this taylor won't end this but or nor is kind of my least favorite player in the majors to me. He's he's a symbol of everything that's wrong with the modern game home. Run or nothing. This guy has some talent as a hitter. We saw that early in his career but hit five in two thousand nine hundred ninety one sixty seven last year. Yeah he has power to seventy on base since two thousand seventeen so it's all or nothing. He's not a great defensive player. No plate discipline yeah. He hits the ball over the fence. Once in awhile. I don't see a lot of value there. Maybe the yankees. They teach them a little plate discipline. Yeah i kinda wonder if they have something in mind. He joins the team. And let's face it. You know the prospects that they gave up. I think one of them is Was ranked eighteenth in the yankees organization by kylie and somebody else was lower and the rangers are picking up every nickel possible in that deal the yankees have to pay him a pro rated minimum salary for this year. Twenty seven million dollars picked up by the rangers. So i think in in some respects the yankees. He's a lottery ticket. You know this team that's had real balance issues with their line app a lot of right handed hitters. He's got left. Handed power in yankee stadium. So we'll we'll see if this is a long term thing or if they're just going to see what they see and if he doesn't hit maybe they'll make a decision yesterday. The boston red sox unveiled jerseys for patriots day. Pretty unusual colors in fact. I won't even try to describe the colors being a colorblind person. But you tell me what ought about the colors very bright yellow with some kind of some baby blue lettering. It was so those. Those are the boston. Marathon colors stencil on the front matches the boston marathon lettering so this is part of what the city series. So they're kind of copying the the mba model. I deferred to our colleague lee. Who has a much younger than and he said they're awesome and he grew up a red sox fan he loved it. I think the kids are gonna love it. The younger people are going to love it. Hey we were talking about it right. That's half the point. I know we were very loyal to our baseball jerseys. But it's fun. I think actually look pretty good. Although i'm curious what the yankees will do. And they're told they cannot wear pinstripes at home. I'm going to be asking todd. Radim later in the week. I think about these These jerseys easy and being the being the uniform and graphic artists that is he's his opinions going to be a lot more valid than mine is. that's for sure. There are two winless teams that made the playoffs last year. teams that are winless so far the braves athletics or either one of these teams in trouble in your eyes. Yeah no certainly oakland right. I gotta agree the braves. I only eight runs in four games. I think they'll be okay but oakland. They've been outscored by thirty seven runs in six games. Trevor rosenthal. they're supposed closer now is going to be out for several months. A it's one thing to get to auto slow start to just get destroyed game after game so not a lot of positive signs there in oakland which current division standings looks like at looks. The most likely it'll be at the end of this year. That's like asking me who who was the first president. The nfl last row ready lined up. Dodgers are rolling padres. Look good despite the injury. Then we get the other three teams less already signed sealed and delivered. Isn't that amazing. I don't know you answered the question about You know. I did a couple of segments on the west coast and people are asking me. You know how how close are the padres catching the dodgers and i was like. I think the padres are the second best team in baseball. This is before the fernando. Tat's junior injury. Thank the padres of the second best team in baseball. And i think there. Ten twelve games behind the dodgers. I don't think they're close. Yeah i don't either. I mean they could win. You know again with ten with tattoos assists situation. They could win one hundred games and finishes ten twelve games back and a lot has to go right for the padres. Beat the dodgers and there's already some minor issues right tat. Tease chris. paddack looks terrible. You struggle at the end of spring training bat in his first start. D nelson lament is still out trying to bounce back from that elbow issue you know and the depths but it's being tested early on so we'll see how deep the padres really are. Yeah and we know that during the year they will be making additions leading up to the trade deadline but it almost feels like since they didn't expand the playoff field that if you're the padres may be the focus. This year is okay. How do we line up. Our wildcard game starter. It's you know it's i don't think players like that long. King game wildcard. Because the audrey could win a hundred oh and then we face jacob degrom the wild card game you know. You could have an unbelievable season. Best in franchise history and three hours later. You go home yeah. Pittsburgh pirates can talk about that our next back years they ran into madison bumgarner and jake arrieta in the wild card. Yeah exactly all right. Dave i appreciate it. Always great talking with you all right. Thanks buster jumping into the numbers. Him knows on baseball tonight. Ambos paulin bikinis research. Espn who is hunt. Show on the show. Get up mike. Greenberg says he's not really hot so he's just wild party of the like to keep around Hembo how're you doing this week. I'm going to do a lot of partying this weekend. So life wife is actually going to be on the road at a bachelor party. I got four days to myself. I can't tell you how much i'm gonna smoke. I can't tell you how much meat i'm going to smoke on. I knew pellet girl. I know taylor is a big fan of my traeger. It's gonna. I'm gonna do ribs and brisket and torque and way. They got a ham. I'm going to eat so much meat as we can by myself and probably not talk to anyone and just watch a bunch of baseball and then when your wife by the time you're white comes back you'll have had a heart attack when you. yes sure. i'll be here. I'll be your ex-husband. Point went so speaking of heart attacks. I want to ask you. Is we kick off the conversation about whether or not. There is a mush ball in baseball. In two thousand and twenty one. Tell me what. Your reaction was when pete alonso. Took that big swing in the ninth inning of monday's game between the phillies and the mets. Because that to me. Is i pull out these bits and pieces of anecdotal evidence that yep the balls different. That was one of them. So before we get to the data that you've collected tell me what your reaction was. Oh so i'm hit that ball. I mean he got into that ball and as a phillies fan. I was getting these heat. Flashes as that but will travel tell into the upper deck of the twenty twenty till. He's opened the worst moping of any in the last ninety years or so ignore that kind of bad and then when the ball settles into the basket of bryce harper's glove not up the wall like you're at the base of the warning track. I was totally stunned. I think everybody off. The bat had the trajectory. It had the sound and you could tell by the reaction players the field. They all thought it was going to had all the ingredients. They just didn't land over the fence. I was obviously thrilled as a fan of the team but also stunned better than go over the fence. And so based on that and other balls. I've seen hit during these The first days of the season being an anaheim over the weekend Watching mike trout a ball. And have the ball. Diane centerfield i asked you if you could find some data on whether or not the early indications are baseball may have a mushball and look. They've they've came out you know and as as much as they could during the wintertime in indicated that the ball would be different but so far. How much different do you think the ball might be data for you buster. The first is this who stat cassidy finds a barrel as a batted ball of at least ninety eight miles per hour where they launch angle of twenty six to thirty degrees in other words. It's the most ideal contact that you can make. Well through the first week of this season shifty. Nine percent of those swings have resulted in a home run accompanied by batting average of seven fifty. Now who's probably sound like astronomical figures but both are considerably lower than the average during opening week in the first six seasons of statcast trucking buster further the average fly ball this season so far has traveled three hundred and seven feet. That's fifteen feet fewer than the average during opening week from the previous force in other words. It's not just your is. The results do indicate that the mushball at least so far is in full effect one. I think you'd agree with me too. I mean we've seen first weeks of the season that are just absolutely littered with snow cancellations and postponements and incredibly cold weather. We really haven't had that. It's no games. Where it's you know. Thirty degrees no and in the one game that did have that we won't be. Oh cabrera hit an opposite field so definitely not doing it. In that way. It's hard to say like if if a week is enough data to make a sort of snap judgment here but duster. Fifteen feet of fly boldest and shouldn't hold up the course of a full season changes so many things that totally inflates value of fly ball pitchers in a way that just did not exist before because of the propensity of the homerun ball also changes a lot of calculus for these sort of fringe homerun hitters guys. That don't have big time power. Who are sort of able to cheat and hit home runs before because the ball was such. So there's a lot of tentacles to this. I'm very good curious. All follow it along with you as we go. And i want you to send that information to the sunday night baseball people. I'm going to bring it up. We actually talk between innings Between matt i map. Excursion and alex rodriguez and i about whether or not like balls in anaheim more and just not traveling as far thought on route. Netto door going to the yankees. So yeah i would describe a trade as as something of a flyer given how dreadful. He's been the last few seasons but i. I do think it does demonstrate to me that their head is sort of in the right place. And here's what. I mean by that so under air doing tim as their manager. The yankees lineup has had a platoon advantage in only forty six percent. A plate appearances that ranks twenty seventh in baseball since twenty team to at minimum or door should be able to provide some punch against right handed pitching. Even if he never becomes the player he was again in his early twenties. We know yankees fans are constantly complaining about the lack of left headed laugh quality. Left-handed bats in their lineup. Even you've mentioned anthony rizzo as a possibility. The trade deadline should the cubs decided to sell. I don't know if your or not anymore. I mean frankly. He's he's really stunk. The last four years. He's cost us seymour. Wednesday is generated in three of those four years. But the yankees are recognizing that this is a whole that they have. Maybe he's not the guy to solve it but again i think their heads in the right place. Yeah especially given the fact that the rangers are literally picking up every dollar pro rated minimum for them to take a shot at him. And you and i have seen many examples in baseball history of players. Who flourished with their next team in other words the after where we're maybe in the rangers. This is total speculation. My part i don't know what was spoken about widow door in In his preparation and mechanics but a lot of times when it's your regional organization. You don't wanna hear you're not as open and then you go to a new team. You're like hey what information do you have for me. It's kinda like when garrett cole went from the pirates to the astros and brian cashman has been a better job than most any. Gm in baseball of identifying big leaguers. For who could sort of make that jump on his club and outdoors a player who at the age of twenty two a season with three hundred total bases second baseman. No one had ever done that at that young age. So we know the talent there the can pull a little bit more value out of that profile. All right we can't do a segment with you without mentioning phillies multiple times. Tell me about the future. So your sunday night broadcast. We'll spotlight a player. Who for my money. Buster is as valuable to his team as As any in baseball of course. Jt realmuto here near the numbers. So since joining the phillies. They've won fifty three percent of games that he starts made plus forty nine run differential in all other games on thirty six percent of those when he minus seven d run differential. So you look at the run scoring impacted by his presence. You look at the run prevention impacted by his presence. The whole another batch of numbers. That i'll set along to your team but i think there are very few players that you could credibly argue make as big an impact real muto on both sides of the ball. I'm a fan of course but tell me. Is that a stretch or not no. It's not a stretch in fact as you were talking. I'm i'm i immediately came up with an idea from my sunday column coming up this weekend and what that is gonna be. I had a general manager. Say to me this weekend. How rare it was that you had a player at a particular position be vastly better than the next best guy at his position. And i was thinking you know what it'd be fun to go back through baseball history and come up with similar example examples like when pedro martinez was the best starting pitcher by hundreds of yards. Yes like at times a little research project for me. That's what i was. Just gonna ask you about. But but i laid it out for you now so i don't have to ended the email Before you go this speaking of pete alonso. This is what we saw yesterday in the mets game and diddy hits walking. I crave play by lots of from a straw. And they get the out. A lonzo took a double away from gregorious to keep the max in the lead. Another terrific play by pete alonso lunges to his left that call by gary cohen. S n y. i remember. I think it was in spring of two thousand twenty in a. Pete mentioned that he wanted to win a gold glove and when he first said that i was like yeah okay. That's nice you know. I had done e sixty on my new that he'd gotten a lot better. But i tell you what. I don't think it's quite so crazy. I still think of anthony. Rizzo is being the best first baseman in the american league or national league. So it's a high bar. But boy pete alonso gets better and better. Oh yeah when you said that. Last year i caught myself. Yeah i wouldn't be an astronaut but in all seriousness. We've talked so much about how much the mets would benefit from the added designated hitter in the national league because their preponderance so many great or is it not enough spots. We never even considered the fact. That pete alonso does doesn't matter anymore because he plays so i. He plays first base so well that he's stuck there. Not only he stuck there. You feel good with the ball. Hit to him in a way that you would never have a year or two ago. We're talking about donald smith and others now essentially aging for the mets and then In american league. Pete alonso is no longer in that conversation and happened really fast buster. I would like to you know this jump that he makes like the sea of commitment from a an nba star to becoming a great defender like effort. And peter lonzo. Clearly we already know the bat profiles a big time way. We know the efforts to he wants to be a great defender. And sometimes it's easy. As putting it. In i i i'm i'm not bet on him. Ever you know being a gold glove winner just like i'm not gonna ever bet on myself becoming an astronaut but win. Stunned me if you want some day. Yeah well when they did the makeover with them at first base when he was in the minor leagues tim. Tough met with him and Pete alonso said you know what. I want to become paul goldschmidt. He competitors who really good right handed first baseman. I think he's there. He's done a great job. All right hembo. I appreciate it and we'll be in touch later. Boys hembo bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets for a wednesday i w michael preston. 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House Democrats argue Trump obstructed Congress

Erin Burnett OutFront

59:11 min | 1 year ago

House Democrats argue Trump obstructed Congress

"Good evening I'm Erin Burnett. Welcome to our special coverage of president. Trump's impeachment trial You've been watching house. Democrats have been using the final hours of their opening statement to make the case that president trump obstructed Congress They're putting a moral immoral compass on all of this is their last chance to make their case before. Trump's team steps into onto the floor of the Senate takes center stage Tomorrow morning now. We're we're in a very brief dinner break That trial such resume. Any minute as it as it has every night this week during this hour. We're GONNA bring that to you as soon as it resumes. I want to go straight now though to Phil Mattingly who is on Capitol Hill and feeling you were there in the chamber today. You know in that pen where reporters are able to watch and observe. You have been talking to the senators throughout the day during the breaks. And what are you seeing and hearing your and I think one of the interesting elements right now is people are looking forward not looking past the presentations. But there's an understanding understanding that there is a very big vote coming up and that will be the vote after the two presentations and the senator questions as to whether or not the Senate will proceed to consider subpoenas for witnesses and documents and what you've seen over the course of the last four or five days is Republicans led by Senate Majority Leader. Mitch McConnell really kind of get behind the idea that look. Any subpoenas would be problematic on executive could have privileged grounds. If you're going after the president's top advisers former top advisors it would not only elongate the trial but it could also raise major precedent issues. And I think what's been interesting to me Erin. Throughout the course of this day. Is You have seen Democrats recognize the reality. And I'm told this was recognized that this this idea that Republicans have been talking about has taken hold inside the conference and could endanger Democrats possibility of getting the votes for witnesses later. And so you have seen very strong pushback. Concerted Effort and press conferences by Senate Democratic traffic leader. Chuck Schumer by Adam Schiff lead impeachment manager. And you've also seen at dovetail on the floor. Remember today's discussion. Today's presentation was largely in part about article to the obstruction auction of Congress. Peace and you've heard democratic managers repeatedly make the case on the need for subpoenas on the opposite side of the president spectrum. Saying if you don't do this think about what it would mean in the future if a president can say at will. I'm not going to comply with anything. I just spoke with Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer shortwhile ago during this break. He said he believed that what the Democratic credit managers had done on the floor decimated the Republican argument. That has really taken hold the last couple days. We'll see if that's the case. But it's just a concerted effort by Democrats right now to push back on and and also we're gonNA share Brown reaction to your reporting in just a moment phil but you have some breaking news on some new evidence that I understand the house now has that's exactly right. Joseph Bondi the lawyer for left part. The Rudolph Giuliani associate. WHO's obviously turnover on a bunch of information? The House Intelligence Committee has also now turned over a recording a recording that was reported earlier by. ABC News that purports to show president. Trump added dinner in two thousand. Eighteen saying explicitly get rid of her directly talking about Maria von of it's the former. US Ambassador Ukraine. Obviously she's played a major role throughout the course of this impeachment hearing the House Intelligence Committee according to his lawyer now has that recording Democrats kratz have been talking about it throughout the course of the day Schumer just a short while ago said if nothing else it shows that the president is quote vicious in how he treated people keep an eye on this people are going to be talking about this and certainly a hearing about this going forward. The House Intelligence Committee obviously run by Adam Shift lead manager now has the tape according to his lawyer all right. Thank you very much phil who will rejoin. We're not says he learns more. I want to go now straight though as promised to Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown Senator Brown Let me just give you a chance to react First to what Phil was just talking about here. This new went formation of the president extensively at a small dinner talking about Marie Ivanovich. And what did Senator Schumer describes as vicious way trying to get rid of her house. Intelligence Intelligence Committee now has this obviously would not go to the Senate. Is it necessary that the Senate get it. Well it's necessarily the Senate get witnesses and the documents and and information. I mean I'm not a lawyer but I. I know enough about trials American public. Does you have the house. Managers the prosecution. Houston we have the defense. The president's lawyers you have witnesses and information and documents and that that's what the President says this is all hearsay. But he won't let us talk to people who are in the room who sat with him. Maybe when he when he said that about the about the the very honorable ambassador longtime public servant embassador. Not a crane me. All of this stuff comes out and Mitch McConnell. Does he wants to get this over with. He doesn't want the truth to come out and fundamentally the president cheated beauty he got caught he tried to cover it up. That's sort of the story of what happened. So you heard Phil talking about Senator McConnell making a lot of progress convincing Republicans not to vote vote for witnesses In part because he's been putting this argument out but key witnesses are gonNA play executive privilege. This is going to become a month long drawn out process guys. You got a lot of information mation. So forget the witnesses and that's been effective. Are you concerned Senator Brown about getting enough votes from Republicans to move forward with witnesses now. Of course you know. That's just the newest excuse. They've now found to say no. Donald Trump doesn't witnesses therefore new information and documentation and therefore Mitch McConnell Connell who who is Donald. Trump's lapdog doesn't want information and witnesses therefore fifty two other relatively spineless Republicans. Don't want witnesses witnesses. Don't want information. They're they're scared they're scared. I talked to Republicans all the time quietly individually many of them. Tell me that trump's aligarh a few of them said trump's racist but they're all afraid of they're afraid he'll campaign against them and their state doll frayed. They'll attach y'all tach a nasty nickname to them. I mean I've never seen in this in this chamber. It's a little like the Iraq war when I was in the House fifteen years ago fear does a distance and people are Republicans are afraid of what Donald Trump will do. The the fundamental question though is if you're saying Republicans you know that that that believed that if told you directly to the President United States is a liar racist are GonNa vote for his acquittal and not for witnesses. True sure. Well I don't know I hope not. I hear them say things like that. I but I I mean the the fundamental question really ultimately I is that if we vote not not guilty if the Senate doesn't convict and remove from office what are Republicans going to do those that voted for acquittal. What are they going to do to stop the president from doing? Even more of this lawlessness I mean they all know in their hearts that he broke the law he will then be on leash. He'll be vengeful. He will have gotten away with it. What are they going to do? What are we GONNA do? Well I know what the media will do. Yo- continue to try to expose wrongdoing. But what are they gonNA do to rein in this president. The next eight months win or lose the the November election. What are they gonNA do rain in this kind of lawlessness that clearly will have been rewarded because he quote got away with all right? Thank you very much Senator Brown. I appreciate your time all right and and and and my panels here with me. I've got a group here in New York. David axelrod also joins us from Chicago tonight. Chance to respond to what he was just saying. He's saying that he knows Republicans he's friends with the talks we'll say privately. The President United States. Donald trump is a liar and is a racist and that he still believes seized. Those people who he has respect for May vote to acquit may not vote for witnesses. You know what I find amazing about Democrats in the trump era they complain clean all the time about the things. Trump does including things like saying many people tell me dot dot dot and here's sherrod Brown on TV tonight. Oh many senators tell me. But it's funny they. They never named names. They never they never able to produce any evidence of this or tell you who said I think he is gone. Frankly when his colleagues here that my suspicion is going it'd be pretty rankled That he called Mitch McConnell Lapdog. He said you know things about what Republicans comments on now I to me. That's trying to convince. Republicans vote for witnesses is that is that the right answer. Joe What what do you make of that. And also I add to that Dick Durbin number two obviously Democratic senator in charge just sort of whipping votes. His comments today was Mr Schiff was phenomenal. He told The New York Times referring to witnesses. But I'm skeptical. He moved any votes. Yeah and I think it goes to a what what Senator Brown was talking about. which is the you know? The fix may have been in from the beginning that it didn't matter what Democrats said it didn't matter how compelling their arguments were but you're not gonNA move them because this is all about politics I think Adam Schiff made the point brilliantly last night when he talked about the president puts his personal interest in front of the countries. And by the subtext of that was senators. I plead with you not to do the same thing. I plead with you not to put your personal personal party interests in front of the countries and it you know if it turns out that the fix was in and that they weren't listening and that nothing could change their mind. Then unshipped is right about the president about the so so Ryan this this this also comes down to this crucial question because there's a big vote and and we sent it around or fill saying they realize there's a big vote. They're not talking about to quit or not to acquit. They're talking about witnesses which has become a proxy for. Will you take a stand at all as Republican senator. So the reporting of course is it. Mitch McConnell's made a lot of inroads on vulnerable Republican votes could be Cory Gardner Lee Lisa Murkowski Susan Collins. Mitt Romney in thank thank. You know what they're gonNA they're gonNA take executive privilege and this is going to be wrapped up for months guys. Don't don't do it. It's not worth it. Is there any legal. Basis for executive privilege allege so There's not a very strong legal ways this word and in fact the Senate can decide the matter and it wouldn't be litigated. So that if the Senate decided to issue the subpoenas and the Chief justice in fact sent subpoenas it would be the final word. There's a Supreme Court case about this Nixon v United States Judge Nixon which said that the Senate set to turn roles in court sworn review it. So it's it's not like we'll be litigated. In a certain way they really the final word and then the second is politically speaking. You're imagining a scenario in which a majority of the of the Senate including a bipartisan. Does the majority vote for subpoenas the chief justice signs the subpoenas and sends it to John Bolton that's an enormous amount of pressure on John Bolton to comply and he's not under a directive from the president because he's a private citizen so they're multiple ways in which it doesn't even need to get to the situation of executive privilege being invoked because the Senate is so powerful in that moment and then if he comes in is just invoked for particular questions that he might be right which let's be clear doesn't include talking about a drug deal because it wasn't a conversation with the president of the United States or you know there's all we we can go go through so many of the things he would be asked about in the case of John Bolton specifically that would not involve the president directly and the question is are Republican. Senators going to hear and understand this. This this is these are the fact. This this is how it would be It wouldn't fly but yet they're being told by Mitch McConnell on my Gosh it's GonNa it's GonNa get stuck here in the gears ars and we're not going to get anywhere. Yeah I mean. I agree with Ryan's analysis completely and I think that executive privilege is not a bar for these witnesses coming forward and I would even argue that once they come forward. I would argue that. There's a pretty strong basis to say that they need to talk because this is an impeachment congresses at the height of its power in an impeachment and so really it is almost in some ways a smokescreen green to get people to step back to think this will take us two years it will carry on a long time and it will not be resolved when nothing could be further from the truth. The question you're asking though is ten that penetrate and connect get through to the four senators and the other senators and impart. It's complicated because it's not a normal trial. The rules are just up in the air. The rules are sort of what they say it is and so I do really ask this question of nothing about what they're saying is true but does that matter and I think we'll we'll know people also hear what they want to hear and they hear what gives them license to do what they WANNA do. That's a human frailty of everyone please stay with me. I WANNA bring in now Democratic Senator Twenty Twenty candidate also Amy Klobuchar Shar who has been In that room senator. Great to speak with you You know we're we're just having a conversation right now about executive privilege and the reporting of course is that Senator McConnell has been. I'm very effective at getting some bowl. Neural Republicans to be afraid of it and think that it could lock this up for a long time and therefore they shouldn't bother voting for witnesses. What is your repeal of where your Republican colleagues are on this issue? I think that Adam Schiff and the other house managers have been incredibly effective in terms of of saying to them one. You know he did this. You know what he does. Many of you have said it before yourself. Secondly why are you here And I always always think to myself. Are they just here to buy their chair. At the end of their time senators and have it in their office and have a trophy on the wall. I just don't think so. I think that they are here to do the work of the people and to defend the constitution and some of the most effective arguments. I was thinking of each of the senators. I was thinking of Center Romney who is the Republican nominee for president who has a sense of patriotism As he listened to what this president it did To hold up aid to a fledgling democracy and emboldened Russia I was thinking of Senator Grassley when representative demings of former police. Police chief made the case for whistle blowers and how this president had attacked the whistle blower a hundred times. Something that Senator Grassley has devoted his career to and I was thinking of some some of the other senators who have really focused on transparency. And you look at the whole cover up. That was involved here. That was focused on today. there is just overwhelming evidence. Here that would lead any sane person to say. I want to know what happened in the room where it happened you know that is the Hamilton Hamilton musical. And we know there are people at Bolton and Mulvaney that no bunch of stuff that were sitting in the rooms and we should have them testify and I want to ask you. I'm not sure if you're aware senator. We're now where that the attorney for indicted Rudy. Giuliani associate left. Parnassus has now said he's turned over a tape. It's an audiotape from two thousand eighteen to the House intelligence committee. ABC News First reported this. This is a dinner. Trump is at the dinner. Parties is at the dinner. Another indicted Guiliani Johny associates at the dinner and trump reportedly says get her out tomorrow. I don't care get her out tomorrow take her out. Okay yeah do it. He's talking about ambassador. Yvonne right I I had heard about that and that to me is the most chilling Because I know her personally I went with Senator McCain and Senator Graham to Ukraine and spent Four days as with her and she is the most dignified esteemed public servant and to think of those words that we know that he said Ed on the phone call when he said things are going to happen to her to a leader of another country and now having this come out just bolsters the case This was was a threat against an American citizen. A threat against Esteemed ambassador a career diplomat. And as Adam Schiff said at the end to the senators senators. You think he wouldn't do it to you because he did it to her. Senator I WANNA ask you one more question a source close to your colleague and you're a former twenty twenty rival senator comal title Harris. Who of course has been in the room with you every day this week as well tell CNN tonight? She's actively considering the possibility of endorsing former vice president Joe Biden ahead of the California primary which was of course on Super Tuesday. What's your reaction You know I will deal with it when it happens She and I got got to be close friends during the campaign with her family the day before Thanksgiving and We'll see what she does. I will remain her friend no matter or what but I will tell you this I have more endorsements of legislators and former legislators in the state of Iowa than anyone else in the race I was just endorsed by the New New York. Times Along with one of my colleagues as well as the Quad City Times which is An important newspaper in Eastern Iowa and we're building support and going up in the polls with each and every week so I feel very good about our efforts. My daughter and husband are there right now. Along with the Olympic gold-medal curling coach who came down to campaign for me. I mean you can have a bigger celebrity than that. Aaron all right Senator Klobuchar thank you very much much and of course I know I've seen her daughter in charge of. You're in charge of your twitter. Thank you for your time and I want to get back to my panel. They're going to be obviously heading back in the room at the end of this. This dinner break David Axelrod is with us from. Chicago's well I just want to give you a chance to respond to what I thought. Were two very different. Presentations there from Democratic senators. Amy Klobuchar Char Trying to to appeal to perhaps Somebody watching like Chuck Grassley or Mitt. Romney shared Brown showing his frustration that he feels deals with his friends. Who are Republicans who we feel is? He's worried they're going to let him down both of them genuine. which do you think is more effective? Well I'm not sure either as effective because I think there are other pressures at play here. I think you know. Obviously you heard Scott say well. They're not going respond well to what what Brown said I. I don't know if that's true or not. I suspect that their thought processes are being influenced greatly by what they see From their colleagues on on TV although I'm sure they don't like to be embarrassed. But here's my thought I wonder I think the Democrats have managers. Managers have made the house. Managers have made quite an effective presentation on all aspects of this case I think the obstruction presentation today was devastating But it's also it also may be that they have made their own situation harder in terms of getting these witnesses because first of all McConnell strategy is clearly to Kinda wear out his people and said you really want to hang around here for a few more weeks Dealing with us here the same case over and over again and the second thing he is the case is so effective. They don't want any witnesses to make the vote to acquit. The president even more difficult. All right Stay with me we are going to Take a brief break as I said. We're waiting for the Senate to return at any moment. There are in the midst of a very brief dinner. Break Thirty minutes. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA squeeze a couple more moments if we can before they head back in. This is the Democrats last chance tonight to make their case before. 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Trump's impeachment trial to resume at any moment They are scheduled literally any second to and this dinner break and begin once again. Democrats are in their final minutes here to make the case that President Trump obstructed congress. They're using more understandable words to describe five that cover up being the the what they're calling it. This is their third and final day of opening arguments. So tomorrow is trump's team. Turn and I want to go to Kaitlan Collins. WHO's at the White House so Caitlyn a few crucial hours tonight left for Adam Schiff and his team And then there will be other voices right. They will not have that stage to themselves. Team trump will take over day one. What are you hearing hearing about what we'll see? Well I it's GonNa look a lot different than what you're seeing from the Democrats over the last several days where you've seen them go for stretches of long periods of time where they have to take take things like dinner breaks. We're not going to see that tomorrow. There are actually going to start a little bit earlier in the morning around ten. Am and according to the president's legal team and they're only going to go for about two to three Hours where Pats at Bologna the White House counsel and Jaysekulow. The president outside attorney are essentially just going to provide the overarching arguments of the president's defense. Then they say they'll. We'll take a break the senators we'll be able to leave Washington then they'll come back on Monday and they say that's when they're going to provide the bulk of their argument now. It's curious that they're not going to do you. A long stretch of it on Saturday since the president wants his argument out there but the president made clear this morning. He thought that Saturday is the Death Valley of television ratings and essentially he want history to be heard and he doesn't think that's going to happen if they present most of it on Saturday. So that's where you're going to see them. Wait until really on Monday to get to that argument and two things. We should note wrote that when we had a briefing with the president's legal team earlier they did not say if they will still file a motion to outright dismissed the case once their arguments are done. That's something that is still an option. They would not rule that out and of course they said they are going to bring up the Biden's which they say is because the Democrats brought up the Biden family but of course it was never really in question and if they were going to air and the big question now is how this new evidence it's emerging about left Parnasse in this tape that he says has this recording of the president is going to affect all of this whether or not it will and right now they have not been answering questions here at the White House about whether or not. They're concerned about it but we should know. The president is doing an interview and they just released a clip of it from Fox News tonight. Where essentially he's being asked? Were you relying on left Parnasse. This indicted associated Rudy Giuliani's to get rid of your ambassador of of course that's referring to Marie Ivanovich. He Says No. No but I have a lot of people and you know. He's somebody that I guess based on pictures. That goes to fundraisers but I am not a fan of that embassador of course. Her removal is central to the old this impeachment. So the question going forward is going to be whether or not this plays a big factor and all of this Erin all right Caitlin. Thank you Very much and obviously we are learning more about this tape You know she says get rid of her. Get rid of her tomorrow Take her out. Okay do it Ryan what do you make about this. It's apparently audio recording off. You know phone video right. We haven't heard it yet what. ABC has printed. But I think it's pretty damaging in the sense that the president has said since he's said on TV live that he didn't know Parnis. And here's the situation. which if this is accurate the parnassus telling him MM embassador is bad news? She doesn't like you and on that basis he turned on says. Let's fire her so either one of two things. He has a relationship lead Parnell. Who can say that to the president? The president would actually on that basis seemed to respond. And or it's the opposite which is not very favorable him either that somebody that nobody is a hanger on our who goes to these parties and whatnot has said something to him and his poisoned his mind in that moment and is such a low level person that he doesn't even know and still responds that way so either way it doesn't look good but there's a lot of evidence that does suggest that Parnasse was totally implicated in. This was working with Giuliani as his right hand person in Ukraine. So it's more the former that is probably excuse me right because to your point and let's just remind people what trump has said his defense against allegations and you know part is produced. A letter from Rudy Giuliani the president of Ukraine. Saying I want this meeting I want right away. I only need thirty minutes. Something specific to talk about full knowledge and consent of the president. The president's response to all this has been like. WHO's that Parnis guy here? Yes I I don't know parse other than I guess they had pictures taken which I do with thousands of people including people today that I didn't me but just I don't know him at all. Don't know what he's about don't know where it comes from nothing about him. He's trying to probably make a deal concern. I mean at the very least right. This tape with police at a table would expose that to be an just laying ever know Mitch. McConnell's walking back in. So we'll going in there and in just a moment as soon as he gavels back in. It shows what the president just said here to be false right. That's true it shows it shows the president Said is false. It also corroborates. That's what love Parnasse said recently. which is I was at this dinner? I told the president that she was bad mouthing him ambassador Yvonne image was bad Malcolm and he said get rid of her so a lot of it is corroborating what what love Parnasse has said before. But I think you're right. The bigger point is that the president has disavowed knowing him. I personally don't think it's going to play a huge role in the impeachment trial for a number of reasons. We already know about it. It's it's again corroborating. What led Parnassus said but right now there's so much focus on on Ukraine and these other pieces partisans not on the witness list so I think at this point it's relevant and the Democrats may talk about it but I don't think it's GonNa be like I guess Scott There's there's this one point about it just it goes to what is not new information information but yet it is yet again stuck in people's faces which is policies at this table and you? This is all on tape. And we've got to hear the whole thing it would show at. The president said there is just a blatant and lie. Yeah look I'm not gonNA defend getting rudy living eager the goon squad in bald this operation. I've criticized many times. It's the worst thing he's got going for him. I would say presents get to pick their ambassadors. So if he doesn't want Ukraine East can fire and pick somebody else and that doesn't mean win around with the right way in this case she seemed like a good public servant to me when she testified. I have no doubt that she loves her country to serve your country. Well still doesn't change the fact that the president gets to pick their ambassadors and it also doesn't change the fact that having people like this involved volved in this is a terrible idea official government channels if you want to change your ambassador us though so I'm not I'm not going to these guys chow. Listen I think this the the story I don't know I'm stretches credibility beyond its limits I you know Scott you worked in the White House. I worked in the White House. And you don't get to sit down with a with you. Know Oh eight or nine people with the president and talk about foreign policy and talk about it in a way where the president is making a decision in the room and telling senior government officials. who were at that dinner with him? He wasn't in there by himself. I WANNA fire that ambassador it it again. It is possible. The president's polling the telling the truth is not likely and if he's not telling the truth it gives so much more weight to this conspiracy to what was going on remember. The ambassador was being surveilled by people involved. Often this Caesar to indicted people and so I think it does. I take one exception to something that and said this. This is politics and and something on a printed page is important something on an audio recording in the president's voice has persuasive power to change the dynamic. I'm not saying it's going to but I'm I'm also train the word. I'm not willing to dismiss it at this point as not being something that catches a little bit of fire and search changes the narrative. A little bit bigger piece here is that I think this is going to continue to happen. That this is one example of piece of evidence that is going to leak out or come out in some way and that there's going to be other evidence it's going to be similar to this and it may come out within the next week. It may come out within the next year or next year. And that's a big issue for Republicans which is when they take their vote but not to do witnesses they then owned that and every piece of evidence is going to be an ad in their campaign. You decided to silence this. This all comes David David as we are moments away from really the last uncontested commentary right so this is a very big moment for all the house. Man's particularly for Adam Schiff right who has been the leader and and and clearly perceived as such. So what does he need to do tonight. And again thinking that he's got an audience in that room and he's also got an audience tonight tonight watching on national television that he's not going to have again in the same way. Yeah I think he's going to have to make the same case he he made last night which is an especially after the obstruction case is are you as a legislative body as a co equal branch of Government GonNa slit your own throat here and surrender your own power to a president and give him unlimited Reach to do whatever. He pleases in his own self interest even when it jeopardizes the country. I think you're going to hear more of that has been very effective effective in that way but let me just say one thing and I I was in a focus group this morning for the Institute of Politics here at the University of Chicago with some Chicago Democratic voters years and it was chilling to hear them. Talk about this because impeachment didn't even come up. No one volunteered it for eighty minutes into the focus group And we're right right in the middle of the trial when it came up. They said it's terrible. What he did the case has been proven? But we know how it's going to turn out so we're not really that interested arrested. We're ready to move on. And I think that's what Mitch McConnell and the president the White House her banking on that they can take the hit here. buffalo their way through this and that The public will move on and It's cynical calculation but it might not be the wrong calculation. Well it certainly at this point doesn't seem like it's the wrong one not from what any Democratic senators are saying. It's the calculation they're making Scott does does it though move. You know people like Mitt Romney. I understand that doesn't get you to remove all right eight. I mean we're not even talking about that. We're just talking about. Are they going to be some votes of people who say you know what I'm I'm I'm not okay with it. I don't know if there will be votes. What's that say? What you just said? I think there will be statements. I think there will be many senators. Rob Portman this morning. Say I'm not in favor of law. The president did here but I'm not going to throw him out of office over so I think you're going to hear that from a lot of people and it goes back to this idea that the only choices you gave us where a quit the president or thrown out of office office and we may have varying degrees of discomfort with what happened but the common thread among all of our emotions is gonNA throw a president out for the first time in. US history over this thing. We don't think it rises to the level. But I think there's there's one other one there's one other option here which is And I think it goes to David's point about people not being interested not sure they're not not interested. They're just not expecting anything. The other option is voting him out of the McConnell officer interrupt. He's gattling them back in for this crucial evening session. Let's listen. Hey Everyone Andrew Aydin here host of the brand new podcast from H. L. N.. Down the hill the Delphi murders. This is the story of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. They were typical teams into arts softball snapchat and in February of two thousand seventeen. They went for a hike on a warm day in Delphi. Indiana and vanished nearly twenty four hours after that hike. Their bodies are found in the woods. They've been murdered and the police began working a crime scene. They say they'll never ever unseat also found libby cell phone which has video and audio of the killer who three years later remains on the loose down the hill the Delphi murders begins on February fifth. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts. And they're on the wrong side of history. Aw Ratcliffe Steve Bruce Semi Dark Ages a Miracle Workers Anthology premiered January twenty eighth at ten thirty nine thirty central on CBS. Yes Congressman Schiff and his team. It looks like we've got a couple more hours. Okay Yeah MR chief. Justice members of the Senate counsel for the President Impeachment exists not to inflict personal L. Punishment for past wrongdoing but rather to protect against future presidential misconduct that would endanger democracy crecy in the rule of law. President trump remains a threat in at least three fundamental ways. I he continues to assert in court and elsewhere that nobody in the. US government can investigate him for wrongdoing making him unaccountable second his conduct here is not a one off. It's a pattern of soliciting foreign interference in our elections to his own advantage and then using the powers of his office. Stop anyone who dares investigate. Finally the President's obstruction is very much a constitutional crime in progress harming Congress as it deliberates. It's these very proceedings. And the American people who deserve to know the facts a president who believes he can get away with anything and can use his office to conceal evidence of abuse threatens us all president trump is the first I president and US history to say he is immune from any effort to examine his conduct or check his power. He claims he has completely immune soon from criminal indictment and prosecution while serving as president. He claims he could commit any crime. Even shoot someone on Fifth Avenue. The new has he has joked about with impunity. And the president's own lawyers argued in court that he cannot even be investigated. That's the gated for violating the law under any circumstance. Now president of either party has ever made claims like this. And if and if and if an investigation somehow does uncover misconduct by the president as this investigation has done the president believes that he can simply quash it. He claims the right in federal law enforcement investigations for any reason or none on at all even when there is credible evidence of his own wrongdoing added together the president's positions amount to a license to do anything he wants. No court has ever accepted this view and for good reason. Our founders created a system in which all people so even presidents are bound by the law and accountable for their actions in addition to claiming that he is immune from criminal process. President Trump contends that he is not countable to either Congress or the judiciary he has invoked bizarre legal theories to justify defying congressional investigations reasons. He has argued that Congress forbidden from having the courts intervene with executive branch officials disregarding its subpoenas he has sued to block third parties from complying with congressional subpoenas and perhaps most remarkably president trump is claimed that Congress cannot investigate his misconduct doc outside of an impeachment inquiry while simultaneously claiming that Congress cannot investigate misconduct in an impeachment inquiry of course president trump considers any inquiry to be illegitimate if. He thinks he did nothing wrong. Doubts the motives of Congress or decides that he would prefer a different set of rules. Let's review the president's position. He can't be investigated for crimes he can end any federal law enforcement and investigation into him. He's immune from any state law enforcement. forcement investigation either. He nor his aides can be subpoenaed. He can reject subpoenas based on broad novel and even rejected theories and and when he does reject subpoenas Congress not allowed to sue him but he is allowed to sue to block others from complying with congressional subpoenas. Congress definitely can't investigate him outside of an impeachment inquiry and again it can investigate him as part of the bottom online is that the president truly believes that he is above the law. This is not our system and it never has been. The president is a constitutional officer unlike a king. He is accountable to the constitution. But this president doesn't believe that and that's why we are here. Remember the precedent that you set in. This trial will shape American democracy for the future. It will govern this president and we'll govern those who follow if you let the President get away with his obstruction. You risk grave save an irreparable harm to the separation of powers itself representative representative Lawrence Hogan a Republican from Maryland. Made this point point during the Nixon impeachment hearings. The historical precedent where sitting here is so great because in every future impeachment impeachment of a president it is inconceivable that the evidence relating to that impeachment will not be in the hands of the executive branch which is under his control controls. So I agree with the gentleman from Ohio Mr Cyber Ling if we do not pass this article today the whole impeachment power becomes meaningless. This leads us to a second consideration. The president's pattern of obstructing article two describes describes President Trump's impeachable conduct and obstructing Congress on its own that warrants removal from office. It must be noted that the president's obstruction fits a disturbing pattern. As stated in article to President Trump's obstruction is quote consistent went with his previous efforts to undermine United States government investigations into foreign interference interference in United States elections. Another example is president trump's attempts to impede the special counsel's investigation into Russian interference with the two thousand sixteen election as as well as the president's sustained efforts to obstruct the special counsel after learning that he was under investigation for obstruction of justice. The special counsel's investigation addressed the issue of extraordinary importance to our national security and democracy the integrity of our elections Sion's themselves rather than aid the special counsel's investigation however President Trump's sought to thwart it and use the powers of his office to do it after learning that he himself was under investigation. President trump ordered the firing of the special counsel sought to curtail the special counsel's investigation instructed. The White House counsel to create a false record and make false public statements and tampered with at least two who key witnesses in the investigation. The pattern is as unmistakable as it is unnerving in one moment president trump welcomed and invited a foreign nation. Interfere in an election do is advantage. And the next he solicited and pressure to four nation to do so in one moment. President trump used the powers of his office to obstruct the special counsel and the next he used the powers of his office to obstruct the house impeachment inquiry at one moment the president stated that he remained free to invite foreign interference in our elections and the next he in fact invited additional foreign interference in our elections and by the way likewise China started investigation into the by indeed President Trump placed his fateful July twenty fifth. Call the president's Alinsky. We just one day. After the special counsel testified in Congress about his findings as Professor Gerhard testified testified before the judiciary committee quote the power to impeach includes the power to investigate but if the president can stymie this house's this is impeachment inquiry he can eliminate the impeachment power as a means for holding him in future presidents accountable for serious misconduct. If left unchecked the president will likely continue his pattern of soliciting foreign interference on his behalf in the next election. Now I I must emphasize the president trump's obstruction persists to this day. The second articles of impeachment charges a high crime in progress as a result. The president's wrongdoing did not just harm the house as we have performed our own constitutional duty it has also harming the Senate which is being deprived of information. You need before the votes you will soon take and of course. The true victim is the American people who deserve the full truth. As we've discussed the president's claims that all the evidence he is hiding in covering up would actually prove his innocence to borrow a phrase from the late Justice Scalia that claim taxes the credulity of the credulous president trump has used all the authority of his office. The block the full truth from coming to light. He has defied subpoenas in order to others to do so. He has publicly intimidated and threatened witnesses his attack the house for daring to investigate him and he has lobbed an endless folly of personal attacks on witnesses and meritless complaints about procedure to sow confusion and distract distract the American people the president's abuses are unfolding before our eyes and they must be stopped before I conclude. I think you all deserve an explanation for me as to why I am standing here. There's been a lot of conversation the last few years about what makes America Great. I have some ideas about that. I happen the thing that what makes America. Great is that generation after generation. There have been Americans that have been willing to stand end up and put aside their self interest to make great sacrifices for the public good for our country. I know because I have seen people do that. Like some of the people in this chamber. I've seen people give everything for this country so we could sit here today back now. This isn't politically expedient. It certainly isn't for me. It's hard require sacrifice it's uncomfortable but but that is the very definition of public service that we are here to give of ourselves for the country for others at sacrifice to ourselves. Those who have given so much for this country deserve nothing less from us now then the try to honor those sacrifices. I have tried to do that. Add the last few days my time is done and it is now your turn. Hey a UNCHRISTIAN ludlow and I'm candace Parker we've got a new podcast properly called Lohan Parker on our show you'll hear our takes on the NBA. A league that we both eat sleep and and breathe every day listening in on one of the League's most plugged invoices in Kristen and not to mention getting the perspective from a two-time WNBA MVP and one of the most decorated decorated athletes to ever play the game in Kansas. We talked to some of our friends from around the game pop culture and more search for level and Parker and subscribe today. Chief justice senators alerted counsel for for the president. You'll be pleased to know. This is the last presentation of the evening and as I started Last night I made reference to some good advice I got from May encouraging voice. That said keep it up but not too long Tonight I got some equally good advice to be immortal. You don't need to be eternal And I will do my best not to be eternally eternal. I point. I'd like to make his. I'm tired I don't know about you but I'm exhausted and I can only imagine how you feel but I'm also very deeply grateful for just how you have attended to these presentations and discussions over the last few days deeply grateful I can tell how much consideration you've given to our point of view and the President's point of view and that's all we can ask the end of the day all we can ask is that you hear us out and make the best judgment that you can consistent with your conscience and our Constitution. Now I WANNA do start out tonight with where we began when we first appeared before you about a week ago and that is with the resolution ocean itself with what the president is charged with in the articles and how that holds up. Now that you have heard the evidence from the house. Donald Trump was impeached in article. One for abuse of power and that article provides that in his conduct of the office of President of the United States and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and to the best of his ability preserve protect and defend the constitution of the United States and is in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed Donald J trump as abused the powers of his presidency in VAT using the powers of his office President Trump solicited elicited the interference of foreign government Ukraine in the twenty twenty United States presidential election. President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government Ukraine in the two thousand twenty election that has been Proved he did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the government Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection harm the election prospects of political opponents and influence the twenty to win a US presidential election to his advantage that has been proved. President trump also sought to pressure the government of Ukraine to take these steps by conditioning official. US government acts of significant value to Ukraine. On it's public announcement of the investigations. That has been proved. President trump engaged in the scheme or course of conduct for corrupt purposes in pursuit suit personal political benefit that has been proved in doing so. President trump use the power of the presidency in a manner that compromised the national the security of the United States and undermine the integrity of the United States democratic process that has been proved he thus injured ignored injured and injured the interest of the nation. That has been proved. President trump engaged in the scheme or course of conduct through the following means means president trump acting both directly and through his agents within and outside the United States Government corruptly solicited the government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations instigations into a political opponent former Vice President Joseph or by junior that has been proved a discredited credited theory promoted by Russia alleging that Ukraine rather than Russia interfered in the twenty sixteen United States presidential election that has been proved with the same corrupt motives. President trump acting both directly and through his agents within and outside the US government condition to official acts on the public announcements that he had requested the release of three hundred ninety one million dollars of US tax payer funds that Congress had appropriated on a bipartisan basis for the purpose of providing vital military and security assistance to Ukraine to oppose Russian aggression and which president trump had ordered suspended that has been proved and be a head of state meeting that the white at the White House which the president of Ukraine sought to demonstrate continued United States support for the government of Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression that has been proved faced with public revelation of his actions and president trump ultimately released the military and security assistance to the government of Ukraine but has persisted in openly and corruptly urging doing and soliciting Ukraine to undertake investigations for his personal political benefit. That has been proved these actions Were consistent with President. Trump's previous invitations of foreign interference in US elections that has been proved proved in all of this president trump abuse the powers of the presidency by ignoring and injuring national security and other our vital national interests to obtain an improper personal political benefit that has been proved. He also betrayed the nation by abusing his eye office to enlist a foreign power in corrupting democratic elections that has been proved. wherefore President President trump by such conduct has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office and has acted acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self governments and the rule of law? That has been proved president trump thus warrants impeachment antony trial removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor trust or profit under the United States. That will be for for you to decide but the facts have been proved. Those facts are not contested tested. We have met our burden article to obstruction of Congress. The constitution provides at the House of Representatives representative shall have the sole power of impeachment and the President shall be removed from office on impeachment for and conviction of treason. Bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors in his conduct of the office of the president in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully execute. The office of the United States states and to the best of his ability preserve protect and defend the constitution of the United States and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. Donald J trump has directed the unprecedented categorical and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas has issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its sole power of impeachment. That has been proved president. Trump has has abused the powers of the presidency in a manner offensive to and subversive of the constitution in that the House of Representatives has engaged in an impeachment inquiry focused focused on President Trump's corrupt solicitation of the government of Ukraine to interfere in two thousand twenty. US presidential election that has been proved as part of this impeachment inquiry. The committee's undertaking the investigation. Serve subpoenas seeking documents and testimony deemed vital to the inquiry for various executive branch agencies season offices and current and former officials that has been proved in response without lawful cause or excuse. President trump directed executive branch agencies officers and officials not to comply with those subpoenas that has been proved president trump thus interposed. The powers of the presidency against the lawful subpoenas the House of Representatives and assumed to himself functions and judgments necessary to exercise the sole power of impeachment vested in the Constitution of in the House of Representatives that has been proved president. Trump abused the powers of his high office through through the following means number. One directing the White House to defile off was subpoenaed by withholding the production of documents sought there in by the committees that has been proved directing other executive branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas withhold production of documents and records from the committees in response to which the Department of State's Office Management Budget Department of Energy and department offense refused to produce a single record or document that has been proved proved directing current and former executive branch officials not to cooperate with committees in response to nine administration. Officials defied subpoenas for testimony namely John. Michael Mick Mulvaney Robert B Blair. John Eisenberg Michael Preston Wells Griffith Russell. T Vodka Michael Duffy Brian. McCormack and T- alrich breakfast that has been proved. These actions were consistent Justin with President Trump's previous efforts to undermine the United States government investigations into foreign interference in US elections that has been proved through these actions is president trump sought to arrogate to himself the right to determine the propriety scope and nature of an impeachment inquiry into his own conduct as well as the unilateral collateral prerogative to deny any information to the House of Representatives in the exercise of its sole power of impeachment that has been proved in the history of the republic. No precedent has ever ordered the complete defiance science of an impeachment inquiry or sought to obstruct and impede so comprehensively the ability of the House of Representatives to investigate the gate high crimes and misdemeanors that has been proved. The abuse of office served to cover up the presence own repeated misconduct and to seize control. Roll the power of impeachment and thus to nullify a vital safeguard vested solely in the House of Representatives that has been proved in all of this us. President Trump has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as president and subversive of constitutional government to the great prejudice of the cause of law and Justice and to the manifest manifest injury of the people of the United States that has been proved wbt whereas wherefore president trump by such conduct has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to the constitution if allowed to remain in office and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self government and the rule of law that has been proved.

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"Want to give Mike Trout Memorabilia. Mike trout stay raking sweet fix in is up and running for all of September play on your mobile device for a chance to win awesome prizes autographed by Mike Trout including including jerseys trout six turf shoes hats and baseball's. MLB nine innings download it now no purchase necessary because it be. It Dot L. Y. Slash stay raking for official rules and details. Major League baseball trademarks used with permission and they'll be. PA trademarks copyrighted works and other intellectual property rights are used with permission of the MLB baseball tonight the podcast this is the baseball tonight podcast for Wednesday September twenty fifth two thousand nineteen. I'm buster only back in Bristol producing Troy Farkas and try to tell you you know as we go down through this last week. I love listening to Games on the radio and some switching back and forth last night with the American league wildcard teams because that's the game that ESPN's going to broadcast next Wednesday listed the Yankee game. I listened to Jose Ramirez doing his thing for the Indians last night. I listened the Oakland game late and I'd say about twelve thirty. I went to bed but baseball went a long after I went to sleep. I know it was amazing. Because of course I was asleep and I didn't see any yeah you were raised. Game started in the East Coast. See everything this morning. Wow what a night baseball gloucester there really was rockies giants went on and on and on this is after Madison Bumgarner a moment that's out of the third breath and Bumgarner dry the joint for NBC sports bear. You do wonder if that's Madison Bumgarner last home run in a giants uniform born because the free agent the fall well these teams play on and on and on to the point that they used a combined twenty five pitchers between the two teams top top of the sixteenth inning. This is what happened pitched Blackman and that was hit will center going back is the fence it use. GAW Aw Outta here for Charlie blackmon absolutely crushed it and the rockies broken the tie they looted needed eight to five in the sixteenth inning five hours and thirty one minutes. This game lasted but you know what that was just mere drip compared to what it happened between the cardinals and the diamondbacks last night the cardinals lead one to nothing bottom of the ninth inning and this happened sending right handed and Annie Swings. It's a fly ball deep left center field and this ties it. Homerun Boras one one here on the night up pinch hit home on by the former cardinals farmhand Greg Solti Arizona Sports in India eight point seven. FM They played on through the twelfth inning into the thirteenth paint thinning Paul Goldschmidt the plate the Pitch Goldschmidt hits at high heat hits. It deep left center fail. It's Oh aw Brown just cleared the wall and got out waiting for the umpire to raise the arm and it's a home run for Goldsmith two-to-one the thirteen John Rooney on the cardinals radio network but the diamondbacks would tie the game and they would play into the fourteenth the sixteenth the nineteen eighteenth inning bottom of this is what happened at his first pitch. Dr Bass at this one's over scoring for third is this Kellyanne Hill Tomorrow Boras the former cardinal farmhand beast the cardinals in nineteen any here by a score of three two to six hours fifty three minutes along Major League baseball game since a six hour fifty four minute gave me Tweeden raise oriels on September twentieth two thousand thirteen thirteen the diamondbacks struck out twenty five times in this game the cardinals twenty three times neither it struck out more than nineteen times in a game in their franchise kyw's histories respectively and by the way diamondbacks cardinal schedule the play at one forty local time. I guess twelve forty local time in Arizona no later today boy. I hope those guys are going to be okay. The brewers in the reds Milwaukee closing in on a wildcard spot Josh Hader had a chance to close out the brewers win hater all of those. Hey struck him out shrugging and this one is over. He got him with a bragging mall to to curve ball strikes out kyle farmer Gandhi tonight rowers take game one in two more to go here in Cincinnati Bobby Euchre six twenty. WTMJ even without Christian Yelich the brewers just keep on Roland Poland the cubs ending ugly finish to their season. They face the pirates last night a team which has been winning. Anything and you know what happened bought him. The seventh thinning the pirates erupted three to swinging a line drive down the right field line payroll and headed toward the corner. Though soon is in Moran is GonNa a score and stallings will be held at Third Kevin Kramer with a two run double. The pirates have three to one lead and they would blow it opened the bottom of the seventh inning and win ninety two that call from Sports Radio Ninety three point seven the fan in that American League wild card race. What a day for Jose Ramirez. He was activated from the injured list because you remember. He broke his hamate bone in his hand last month. He had surgery he was working at last week. He came to the plate plate in the top of the first inning bases loaded a sweating quite failed back. How `bout that welcome back Grand Slam down the right field line. Though little man with a big bat has come back toast sparked. ESPN's krantz swam here in the first Tom Hamilton. WTN Eleven hundred and Jose Ramirez wasn't wasn't done. He came to the plate with two runners base in the top of the third and he drives you kidding here. Air Two thirds of the way the bleachers in Left Center Jose Ramirez two swings of the bat seven RPM is so the Indians won this game eleven to nothing and as I was listening to that I was remembering that Buksh Ambi- troy was was in the ballpark last night in Chicago for ESPN television. I bet you after a game done by Tom. Hamilton boop shabby with their voices that they have have the booming voices. Probably no glasses left like all the glasses shattered in the whole ballpark man nothing better than Tom Hale. Oh that's awesome. We gotTA. We gotta get him on next week. If the Indians make the plans we will get Tom Hamilton on again. What a great call that first home run and even better call and the second one the raise in the Yankees bath the worked out of the bullpen for the first time in the regular season in his career before that he had five hundred and sixty starts he had a good an inning of relief but the two teams would play extra innings bottom of the twelfth inning. This is what happened swinging drive the right field back at a judge to the wall all right here on the twelfth grade beat the Yankees. Dave wills the Great Voice of his own six twenty. WGN Angels Athletics in the angels had a three to lead top in the ninth inning. Here's what happened see delivers east Kim out a change in law game is over so royal bliss this gave up a leadoff infield hit then got be Laureano double play ball strikes out Davis Sam the angels hold on and win tonight. Read it to you can put a halo over this one. Terry Smith Angels Radio Ama thirty so you really get much closer than where we we are in the American League wild-card race. You've got the athletics a half a game ahead of Tampa Bay which is a half a game ahead of Cleveland three teams within a game each other wouldn't have it any other way the Astros and the Mariners Garrett Cole for his next to last appearance in the regular season. He was incredible fourteen strikeouts. It's over seven scoreless innings. He continues to make his case for the CY. Young Award in Alex Bregman got a big hit. Here's the pitch and he rifles this when the left field cutting across shed long he's on the warning track looks up and it's Outta hair right down the line inside the poll and pregnant with number forty on the season season Astros lead at one to nothing Steve Sparks Portsea. KBM E seven hundred ninety. Am and Garrett Cole had a chance to set a record in the bottom of the seventh it calls want to pitch and that's in there for strike three twelve dot Gov for coal now three hundred fourteen franchise record single season for the astros breaking the record JR Richardson in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah I tell you what the Astros have a long in storied award history of pitching for Garrett Cole to set this record. That's impressive. He's talked about it. After Houston's three to nothing win is pretty cool. Gave me a nice ovation. I appreciated that and inserted Astros fans. I've traveled so I just want to recognize them. Take take a moment imitates his nine. They're responsible for a lot of confidence and it just pause a moment here there. you know play eight hundred sixty two years. I don't know nine I mean I do like think about it like assume the dodgers took care of business against the padres twenty six to three with a lot of help from muncie swung on and hit high deep hey to right going back is Hunter Renfro to the wall and as a Grand Slam Mad Max Road Warrior Hits a grand. Let's slam on the first Bitchy sees from Harare. Leo's and the dodgers have opened it. Up is five nothing. Tim Never an five seventy. La Sports in the race for the best record in baseball and football field advantage the astros with solidly one hundred and three and fifty four two games ahead of the Yankees and loss column New York at one or two and fifty six the dodgers at one oh one in fifty six the twins closing in on the American league central title title face the Detroit Tigers and they took care of business and the one one pitch. I drive based in left center field the twins. GonNa take the lead in his cave. Here your comes way junior. The startled delivers the go ahead two run single two twins in the Senate probe is treasure island baseball network final score Minnesota SORTA four Detroit to ninety seven wins for Minnesota in the first game a double header on Tuesday the nationals in the phillies and Ryan Zimmerman. It got a big hit the bottom of the sixth the o one so we ally drive right Centerfield. That's falling. It's a base for several clutch to out. Rbi Single single-scoring Adamy Rbi twenty six percent of the national sports with the NFL lead three to one and that's shoved the phillies to the brink elimination. Here's the call on the top of the ninth inning three and two to count Hudson Ready. Here's the pitch swing and a fly ball into right eaten coming in he is is there he makes the catch and the phillies fall to the nationals today four to one and it is the mathematical conclusion of the Phillies playoff push. They've lost three straight and the nationals take game wanted his twin bill and wipe the phillies officially out of the wild card race. Scott Frisky Sports Radio Ninety Four. WIP and you heard some excitement from the crowd there that was in part because of course guy in uniform and the other team from Washington Bryce Harper with the Philadelphia phillies. Here was the call of the end of that game from nationals radio network Hudson sex that kick swinging a fly ball right field well here comes the novel way X. Zone curly w books then you'll Hudson records his fourth north save is a national Fernando Rodney and Sean doolittle withholds in front of him in a win for China Radio Relief as the nationals beat the Vilis for a second straight day. They were used their magic number to go to the postseason down to two and at the same time they have eliminated the phillies from wildcard and postseason. He's in contention. Charlie slows in the first game of a doubleheader on the National Radio Network Centerfield gain to the day-night doubleheader. Brad Miller got the phillies off to a good start at the top of the first swag on driven high deep Centerfield Robles. Hopeless was playing shadow going back. He's looking up and that ball is gone. Wow dead central for Brad Miller three run home run off Max Scherzer here the first I and the phillies with a three nothing lead wow that was something sports radio ninety four. WIP Got frisky and Larry Anderson but but the nationals would come back trae Turner's doing a ton of damage lately six to it and the nationals would take it from there to go on to win six to five and after the game after the nationals clinched a playoff spot. Max Sherzer talked about what it feels like to reach the postseason season started. You guys never lost faith in this ball ballclub apply. What was it about this group because we're good. We're really good. We can play with everybody in this league another team but we're really good and we the guy who takes be able to compete with everybody. Take Twenty five minutes again in the postseason. sue got what was tonight lake for you all knowing that the stars needed to align and now here you are celebrating yeah we win. They lose like we're in like so. We're GONNA party tonight so sure journey up. Hey they work out partying in the other clubhouse. Bryce Harper talked about his respect for the Washington Organization know her friends on store them at all renovation. That's why they whether at right now so it's great for guys. I'm going to play the game the right way. They got a pitching staff to go with it the lineup as well so they're good team and you know that's why they are who they are what hangs over the Phillies to the question of whether or not gave Kappler what continuous manager Bryce Harper talked about that yeah I mean I think that's a conversation if it needs to be added and it'll be had but at this point here's our manager and you know I think all the guys in this clubhouse back in with what he does. Every single day is as manager and you know. There's guys up with a decision so we can have that conversation. I'll be all ears does ally with Sunday night baseball's Jessica Mendoza and in the last week of the regular season there is no Sunday night baseball. We're all all sitting and watching and wondering jess who we're GONNA see next Wednesday night in the American League wildcard game you got three teams within a game of each other with Oakland in with a very tenuous hold AFC game ahead of Tampa Bay which had a great one against the Yankees last night the Indians with a great win with the return of Jose Ramirez. It was a crazy night. It's GonNa get crazy down the weekend yeah then you have your two teams will make it in but you know Oh. I think Oakland I think Oakland and Cleveland Making because I'm amazed by the race I look at the race on paper and I can't figure out why they're in this position before we get to that a little bit. I WanNa talk about the team. That did qualify for the playoffs last night. How `bout big tip of the CAP to The Washington nationals. They started the season nineteen in thirty. One knuckleheads like me speculating on whether or not Dave Martinez their manager was going to be fired. You and I were there one weekend and I asked him hey how did a handle that and he kind of gave a shrug of the shoulders like you know I didn't listen to any of it but he had to endure that he had to endorse recent heart trouble he was away from the team team and so you can imagine why you can understand why he was so motion last night after they clinched the wild card berth now these guys it's unbelievable really proud of everyone of them. Take that from mass in Dave Martinez one of the great guys in Baseball Jess emotional not afraid to show it and I can understand I mean we've been there with him from day. One we had the nationals early. Even last season in an criticism was at the forefront because really there's a ton of pressure. I would agree the same for Philadelphia in that. This team is expected to win because of the talent that they have and and he's kind of gone through a tumultuous like up down you mentioned it and you can just feel right even in that sound the emotion that he has and I don't believe it for one second can that he didn't hear or listen to the criticism because we all know like no matter how much you try to ignore it. It's seeps in in some way in some form. He cares these got onto this team this point but he knows they have to win. Not only that wildcard game get past the Hump of the Division series win. Yeah and you would agree with me that that is a dangerous dangerous team if they get through the wildcard game they will be facing the dodgers and they can go toe to toe with any team in terms of what they have in the starting rotation. Their bullpens gotten better better their lineup. has been performing well of late so they'll be interesting to watch you mentioned the Phillies the conversation now that they're out of the playoff race. We'll spend forward to what happens with Gabe Kappler. I can't tell you for sure what's going to happen. We'll tell you that a lot of other teams who are putting their ears to the ground on this one they. They think that Gabe Kaplan is gone. I think it just comes down to what John Middleton the principal owner wants. What's your take yeah. I mean I'm surrounded by Phillies fans. I mean I feel like here in Bristol Connecticut but just really all over and I haven't met one yet that doesn't want him gone and I feel like that starts to really get hurt and not that you ever obviously let fan dictate major major decisions like this but at some point I mean you think about why Bryce Harper's even on this team I mean fans drive a lot of what ends up happening especially especially when it's over and over and over again and I just don't feel like they're going to recover. I mean Gabe Kaplan from day. One has been a frustrating manager for a lot of Phillies fans is is it his fault that they're in this position. I don't blame him has he made all the right decisions of course not but it also falls on the front office of the Philadelphia Phillies and you know a lot of other people as well but as we know it tends to come down to the manager especially once the hitting coach is already been fired unless they go ahead and get rid of a pitching itching coach and everyone else but I think forgave Kappler. It's it's a hot hot seat right now. So the other day in Cleveland on Saturday was watching Jose Ramirez. Take batting practice as it was coming back back from this broken hamate bone in the surgery they had he was swinging from both sides of the plate and when it got done Brad Mills their bench well. It looks like the same old Jose to me any he walked away but you never know when some had coming back a hitters coming back from a wrist injury and Jose Ramirez is someone in his career is had a lot of peaks and valleys so I was really curious. Okay as he's coming back. Is it going to be a slow. Return is going to be a fast return. You can't get much faster in his return earned what we saw last night in Salami right right off the bat switches over a three run home run and all to me. Is You know I was watching the game live even boot Shabby and Perez and Mike Petrello they they put up you know this very graphic graphic photo of Jose Ramirez and showing really the the surgery that he had with all the stitches had the black ties like all wrapped around his hand dig really give you an idea of the visual and how quickly he's come back back from what is a very serious injury and then you know this is during his first at bat they point out the axe bat how he's now gone to that to help compensate and save the lack of strength in that bottom hand from the left side of the play and what POW right like Grand Slam. I mean when you're around Jose Ramirez just the type of player. He is honestly the size that he is in the numbers. He's continuously put out but never has had the respect I my heart just went out to him and you could. Let's see the entire dugout for the Indians and the game was over in that moment just because they're they're really their energy. They're starving. You could argue Francisco. Indoor is a you know probably on the same side of that but to me Jose Ramirez not only getting him back in the lineup which would have been awesome just any way having his energy there but then to see the the Grand Slam entire dugout react showed you this game was done in that moment yeah and I'm going to show you that I have absolute recency bias us but we just saw the Indians on Sunday night and watching the emotion the dugout an Oscar Marcado you know saying I'm the best in the business is running up first base ace line and the response to friend mill race in Lynn Door and now Ramirez they're playing with a lot of emotion right now and they'll be really interesting as we go forward and so only only the Oakland athletics last night they lose. What a crazy pitching situation they have today. They announced yesterday that Reliever Lou Trevino's out for the year. He cracked a rib rib while falling in a shower. That's the story that Oakland told US okay. I can't verify that I can't confirm that but that's what they told US Blake. Try New so good last year. He's out for the rest of your with a hip hip and back issue so the hero the reaching for today how about Frankie Montas who has been away from the team the last three months because of an eighty game suspension expansion. He's the guy getting the ball today. Someone who's not even eligible to play in the postseason. That's kind of where we are in the wild card race. Jess sounds like September. I mean that's first of all September meaning. You have these larger rosters. You have a whole slew of options that you can go to just in this one month alone but but then how important every game is you're. GonNa utilize someone that really will have zero impact on the team in just a week from now and so I I look at that as they've got to win and so you're GonNa put anyone you possibly can out there to be able to put yourself in the best position and save what you have so that you are are able to be in a position next week too. Hopefully host that wildcard for Oakland next Wednesday so last night I wanNA touch on this real briefly continuation of a conversation member station. We've been having last night. We had a nineteen game. We had a game in which record number pitchers or US twenty five. I was listening to the Yankees and raise game and John Sterling Suzyn Waldman and we're just like Oh my God this parade relievers. Everybody in baseball hates his chest. It's amazing everybody hates. September rosters the slow pace of the game which I think lends itself to these really long games last night a game almost seven hours long. It's not official that this is going to be addressed for two thousand in twenty but please beheads together like I'm praying as I say please they need to deal with this absolutely and all even go a step further and I don't think you agree with me on this one but extra inning games and you know I get it. It's not like you want them to end in a tie in September. I don't want them to end in a tie but there needs to be some address of of how extra inning games are Hansel handled. I believe this strongly especially throughout the regular season when you have like seventeen eight nineteen and in games it's rare three percent of games actually go more than thirteen innings throughout the regular season but in those games. I think it's important that it doesn't even have to be right away way like I think for the strategy of how teams will then handle things. I think for fans to be able to hone in whether it's putting a runner at second base. I mean I felt this last night watching these games and it's like oh my Gosh Ashley. We can't just let this continue to go on and on and on because these teams it matters tomorrow like they gotta be able to show up and can't use every single player even if they have you you know their entire forty for September. What about me what about June you know an August fifth game. It's going into the wee hours of the morning like this is unnecessary and I one that to end as well ninety seconds left. I'm going to give you three concerns. Four major contenders you tell me which of these is the one that jumps out to you you the dodgers recent performance hundred review. Clayton Kershaw Kenley Jansen the braves Ronald Kunia junior had to leave yesterday's game. He had right hip tightness this. Freddy Freeman has a bone spur in his right elbow. He's three for twenty nine. One extra base hits since September eleventh and third one the Astros yesterday Carlos Carlos Correa had to leave because of tightness which of those three concerns you the most. I what jumps out to me is of course the dodgers and Kershaw in Rio. I I mean they've given up. I think it's twenty home runs combined. in their last six starts. I mean that's insane to me. and the game has gone and that does concern me but I'm GonNa go with actually the braves because a frontal contusion when he came out last night I mean I felt like I got punched in the stomach. I'm not a fan but I'm a fan of baseball and with the KUNI junior and it's not that he's he's out at some indefinite time I mean he'll probably be back in there but it also makes you realize the most exciting player on that team and then the best player are both being up that gives me concern because the braves are not anywhere near the team that they need to be if they don't have Kuni junior and Freeman. I do feel like the dodgers he win games. They've got walker dealer. They've got other guys like I'm not as concerned with Kershaw and review as I am with yet and Freeman Yeah Kunia and the freemen the big dogs all right jess joy bristol all right. We'll be back in a moment paulin bikinis but first they say the best offense is a good defense and that's especially really true when it comes to the fuel you put in your car. It's time to help. Keep your engine running like new. Shell v Power Nitro plus. Premium gasoline is engineered to defend against four main engine threats gunk where corrosion and friction. It's our most advanced fuel ever protecting your engine like a solid stiff arm huge hit or a last second block like defensive lines not all premium fuels the same now that's fuel for thought and if your fuel rewards member you save at least five cents per gallon on every fill up with gold status not a member download the fuel rewards. 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I obviously I have it is going to be back with your boys and I'm really looking forward to the postseason here coming up. I really hope your significant other does not care about the phillies. That's that's not that's not an issue like I said before we go back and forth with football very passionately baseball. That's my hobby and she she'll watch. Your Bravo shows on the side so we're good there. You go all right. Let's get your topics today day and start with a guy who is I said in the show's open man the astros have this tremendous his pitching Nolan Ryan Jair Richard Mike Scott Etcetera et Cetera et Cetera so for him to set the franchise record for strikeouts is pretty cool. Aguirre coal put together one of the most uniquely dominant seasons. We've ever seen muster. I he'd done it with sufficiency. Cole has struck out thirty nine percent of batters faced. It's the highest rate in the season in major league history mark previously held by Pedro Martinez in Nineteen Ninety Ninety nine. He's also the only pitcher to record a three hundred strikeouts season without a single complete game secondly. He's done it by attacking the strike zone yesterday Mark Coals Fourteenth Fourteenth game with ten strikeouts in one or fewer walk. That's the most in a season since the mound was moved to its current distance in eighteen ninety three and lastly. He has done it with smoke. Doc Cole has struck out one hundred and fifty five batters on pitches ninety eight miles per hour or faster. Noah syndergaard ranked second. He's only been at sixty one times his one hundred fifty five strikeouts catch those pitchers on more than twenty eight teams have recorded. Who would you pick American League Cy Young Award Winner Garrett Cole or Justin verlander today. I would pick Justin verlander Orlando he he in my judgment has been slightly more dominant and a good bit more durable in terms of his usage his his his ability to eat more innings for me as the tiebreaker her yeah we we said yesterday that Garrett Cole have to take the Consolation Prize of the biggest contract in history baseball for any starting pitcher in the off season after he doesn't not that Berlin wanted the MVP but you're a cool on the CY young award there you go the Phillies. Is We say a disappointment considering all their spending. I give you these at the beginning of the season but I think they bear repeating today. Because the phillies elimination from the postseason yesterday serves as yet another reminder that winning the off season season does not promise winning results dating to two thousand one sixty six different teams had increased year-over-year payroll by at least thirty percent twenty-seven teams improved their win total thirty four decreased their wintel and five remain the same the average team improved its win total by point three windy practically negligible amount this year the phillies elise the brewers in the as were those teams while two of those will likely make the playoffs none improved away their payroll. Jump would have suggested there's Gabe Kaplan get fired. The capital gets fired. He might get fired before Sunday. Frankly I think he's absolute token based on what I've heard and I don't know anything for sure but if I had to bet the family farm back in Vermont Mont it would be on the Gabe Kaplan would be removed as Mandy stunned other. Moore's the brewers have played great since Christian. Yelich went down. What do you got on them. They're in line hi to reach the postseason for the second consecutive year and their play after the calendar flips to September is the biggest reason why buster in two hundred seventy one games played in March through August Milwaukee owns a run differential of minus seventeen over the last two seasons but in September and regular season games in October. The lead all of baseball at plus one twelve forty nine games now they're lineup has more than carried its way but the pitching has been the key to both runs the brewers team. Era of two point seven three in those forty nine games is more than Hatha run better than any team in baseball during that time before you go. I just want to let you know it. It looks like Troy Farkas Zone. We don't have this really interesting situation. 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I got to tell you it feels like talking about like beating a dead horse talking talking about what's gone wrong for the cubs. What do you think it's a lot of different things. this was a situation. That's been sort of trending being in this direction. I wrote my calm. The other day it's kind of things were bending and then finally broke and I think the baseball Gods Kinda did it with an exclamation. Go nation mark over this past week. just said enough is enough. We're not gonNA tease you with a wild card berth. We're not gonNA tease you with a a chance at the wild card late in in the final week here. We're GONNA knock you out until you exactly what you need to do and that's basically to upend your culture change over your roster finding finding new thing after this thing ran its course. There's not a lot of teams that make the playoffs four straight years. You know the dodgers do so you gotta give them some credit but all things come to an end and unfortunately this run has apparently come to an end it looks like they'll change managers and and maybe a again a culture change as has well. I think the long story short is that this team got a little spoilt. We're talking about the players. They got a little spoiled and couldn't find that `it factor or that. We see some of these other. You know using hungry as that were. We know you know isn't baseball. You gotta be careful using that word but we'll say it. It does feel like other teams have a little bit more going for them in that department then the Chicago cubs who are still basking in the glow that championship though they shouldn't be anymore yeah the collapse makes it easier for the front office to basically blow it up and do whatever they want as you mentioned it. We've been talking about it. There's nobody expects Joe. Man is going to be back as manager next year but I want to ask you about this. Speaking of the Front Office friend Alex Pier the Boston Globe was tapped into the red sox organization wrote a speculative column yesterday about Theo Epstein and the idea of him returning the Red Sox. Look we talked about that possibility and the the first two days after Dave Dombrowski was let go by the Red Sox. There are so many potential you'll obstacles to that happening I whether it's his contract or his relationship with the red sox ownership etcetera etcetera etcetera what you read on the possibility ability of Theo going back to Boston if this was a couple of years from now I it'd be more inclined to believe it first of all. I think you're right about the relationship with the with ownership but let's say those things can get worked out. He's still has two years left on a big mega deal here. the the organization in some ways is a mess coming off of this season. He's in he'd be leaving. He's leaving in good He might be leaving it in good hands but he wouldn't be leaving it in good standing. The way ended here again. If this was two years from now now I could see it. I don't I just don't know about now and I just don't know if he wants to revisit the red sox again without I guess part of an ownership Russian deal I mean I I don't know why he'd go backwards in that sense with these same owners there unless he's getting a piece and things change I but I don't know the inner workings over there. I just know that that he'd be leaving an organization that he did great with but not necessarily in good standing in this moment so it seems a a bit far fetched but feels different cat than a lot of people and you just never know what's going on. You know I I I think family wise. He wouldn't mind moving back there but that's that's just one angle too many one layer too many many layers to this thing so I think it's a long shot like you would just naturally think but I guess you can't really anything. I don't no and I gotTa tell you if they won. The World Series this year and this possibility you know popped up at the end of the world series. They go. You know what that could happen now. If I'm Tom Records and I got theo under contract for the next two years and we've seen this steady decline frustrating declined for the team and big changes ahead. I don't know oh I I'm Tom Ricketts. If I'm letting that happen like I'm like hey. We have real issues here that we need you. I made you the highest pay general manager in the history history of baseball. I need you yeah. They're already scapegoating. Joe Matt and we know that right so okay. We're GONNA put this on Joe in in some ways. It happened on his watch. We get that but you didn't exactly set him up for success this year. You need to set the next guy up a little bit better. Moving forward be real interesting who they bring in. I think the type of guy they'd like to bring in is obviously someone that can handle the nationally game that's number one but also someone that inherently apparently can relate to the whole millennial generation and deal with what comes with being a manager of the Chicago cubs specifically the media the pressure all all that but I I I think Joe worked bought off at relating to these players but after five years I think he sort of lost his his touch with them and that happens that happens happens all over the place so I think the next manager is going to be real interesting in terms of that like in also in terms of accountability. I think that that we talk about players. Maybe being a little bit spoiled. After all the success they've had Jo's a little bit more laid back. They might by nature go with the opposite guy we see that often but in this case they might need it as well little bit heavier hand who can inherently communicate with these with this generation and obviously has to handle the nationally. Ashley Game I mean I you know what I just described buster. I just described Craig counsel to you. I think Craig Counsel is an excellent manager proving it again this year not that Joe Joe is and I'm just talking about the situation facing the cubs right now right ninety seconds left two quick ones for you along. The managerial hires a lot of speculation about our colleague. David Ross what you read on that yeah I think we'll still has family considerations to deal with his family's down in Florida. He'd have have to you know upend and and and and you know change that dynamic for for himself so I'm not sure that he's quite ready but he certainly brings those qualities the holidays that I just talked about other than never having managed in the National League or manage anywhere but especially the National League. Don't forget when we when we praise Aaron Boone. We praise outscore. Those were American League first year managers. I you know this bus. You've been around a long time especially now. The way bullpens and starting pitchers are are built. You have to know exactly how to navigate yourself around pitching staff and those first time managers whether you played in in the NFL your entire career or not not that's a difficult task but I do like those other qualities a little bit. Have you ever hand from David Ross. We know what he was like as a teammate. He had an edge to them. I I just don't know if he's ready ready to with his family. I'd say this you know and Rossi hasn't asked me he would ask me. I'd say look if you WANNA manage. You have to seriously consider. Consider your windows now if that's important to you and if his family situation is is point a different direction than tip of the cap to them you know he obviously they're. GonNa make the decision. That's right for him. I know I know he and his agent are GONNA discuss. Exactly you know if if not now when will I get that next chance and that's a that's a big question question mark when you're not a star player you know star player might get get some leeway but David Ross needs to capitalize probably sooner rather than later based on his standing in Chicago ago Yup and last one among the core players. I think the most likely guy to be Gone Kris Bryant who we reported last winter that they were open minded about dealing. I think this winter. They pushed that conversation. What's your sense yeah. No I think they do but I also think they're going to push some other conversations as well. I don't think they they picked Elaine and just yet on what this off season is going to look like when you have this kind of an epic failure. I think you need to sit back. I joked on the radio. The other day Genteel need to take hey can week and then go into a conference room. Shut that door order breakfast lunch and dinner for three days straight and come out with a new game plan because it's a new. It's a a new situation. It's not a rebuild but a new situation new manager new culture that takes a lot of time and thought obviously. I'm sure they've started that already as they've seen this this thing go south but I think they they. I don't think there should be necessarily one path. I think they need to exports several and that could be keeping Kris Bryant for all I know and moving somebody else that that would surprises surprises a little bit more all right Jesse. Thank you for doing this hanging there. I know it's GONNA be busy couple of weeks for you. You gotta take care of Buster because we're tired of getting yelled at for somebody. Else's work biased and would rather get yelled at for the stupid stuff that we do in this is why the Seattle title Mariners will play in the two thousand sixteen world series. Oh what a loser. This is the baseball tonight tower ten the last power ten of the year because of course you're going into the playoffs next year and troy no need to do it once we get into that arena this week seems fairly set because we're the playoffs stand. I got Astros. One Yankees dodgers three. You're going to rubber stamp that yes Astra's one dodgers to Yankees three yeah. That makes no sense cents. Braves twins brewers four five and six what he got. I got braves twins as wait so the brewers are winning every day. They responded lead like champions after losing Christian Yelich and you got him below six yeah yes I do. I'm going by records here. Yes the brewers are the hottest team in baseball right now but I'm GonNa owned by the records here. I can't put the brewers at six all right. You're wrong. We got cardinals at seven athletics. Indians raise in that order seven eight nine ten. What are you got seven. I've got the raise. I've got the cardinals nine have got the Indians okay. WHO's your number ten brewers okay just for the record. I'm glad you did that without putting the Rangers in there. I was wondering if I might try to slip it. Pass this and get Texas in the top opt and as a projection into next year they did not make it in their buster. It hurt me to lead the nationals out especially the night after they did they did did. I mean I struggled so much power ten. There's just so many good teams right now. Riding momentum and you can have the discussion about whether momentum means anything going to the postseason yeah but there's a lot of really good teams out there right now. I think momentum means something I mentioned the Indians. It's interesting sort of watching them. Come together and having Shane Bieber at the front of the rotation. That'll be good bleacher tweets poster fire through some bleach tweets here this morning comes from Mike Redmond's at 'em underscore score read thirteen who's the odd man out of the Yankees Infield in the LDS is it gio were shallow or Luke voight just depends on injury and whether or not guys hot for example as Nigeria. Shell a hit on the hand by a pitch. The Yankees are hoping he's okay. We'll see how he's feeling as we go into the postseason Debbie Gamons Brown at D. Games Brown bigger bigger collapsed Refute Epstein team twenty thousand nine cubs or the twenty eleven red sox yea. You'll back me up on this troy. Two Thousand Eleven Red Sox. I mean that was a historic collapsed in how many games they gave up on the standings and it led to the departure of Terry Francona led to the parts of Theo Epstein. I don't think anybody looked at the cubs coming year. There's a slam dunk favourite to get to the world series the way we looked at those red sox very true. Michael Preston at MC P one nine seven nine given his history with young player development using Joe Madden would be good fit for the padres if he doesn't continue with the cups possibly and Joe Man is someone who certainly is going to appeal to ownership whether alerts in Philadelphia or whether it's San Diego. I've been wanting about already Marino of the angels. The angels decide to make changes sometime in two thousand and twenty Joe man is someone who is with the angels for a lot of years already knows him. He might be fit their next one from Kevin Boland can't wait for this question best one of the day at L. K. Bowl and what what would the rangers have to do to become a contender again other than firing. Gm John Daniels yeah you try. I'll let you I'll give the Florida you because you are invested invested in this answer well. I want science big-name free agents. I have no idea what the Rangers Cap. Space is like right now but I would love to get in on the Garrett. Cole sweepstakes love to get in on all the other big names out there so I think that's what we have to do. I would agree. They have spent a lot of money. I think they need about twenty. New players are not very close. That's what you think Mike Hubbard at. 'em Hub five one three with Marty Brennaman career coming to an end in Cincinnati. I'm Christian away away your top five all time. Announcer rankings are yeah peek behind the curtain. When I sent the rundown troy this morning he sent me that possible question and I wrote back. I'm like now. I'm not going to go with that one today. That's like you know how yesterday I asked Bruce Bochy to pick among his former players. It was like picking among children. A lot of these people are friends of mine. I'm not doing it. I'm not answering that question. I'd say Vin scully's one and after that use your imagination foster no fun. Thanks for the tweets this morning everyone keeping coming everyday use the Hashtag bleacher tweets for today thanks to Jessica Mendoza Jesse Rogers Paula Bikinis and Troy Farkas having a great day. Everybody thanks for listening. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight podcast. If you're playing fantasy baseball don't forget to listen to the fantasy focus this podcast checkout all podcasts at E._S._P._N. Dot Com slash pod separate baseball tonight the PODCAST.

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Be sure to catch live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon. Pacific on Fox. Sports. Radio. One find your local station for the hurt at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream it live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching heard. Piece is the best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox sports radio. Oh here we go. The NBA is back we are live in Los Angeles and this is the heard wherever you may be however you may be listening we're on Fox sports radio and right here on F ask One Liber, Damn Fine Joe. Very. Good. Very good show knocking ally. Joy Taylor is joining me joy our you. I. I'm the Best I've been in many months. We have NBA basketball today. We have been walking through the desert with no walk for six. Today. We've come up on a lake. Root. Vegetables. We will eat tonight. Let me start with this the media the Nevada courage. They don't they just don't have a lot of courage. Everybody's got follow in line. That's why I don't have that many media friends. My most of my friends are like business friends they're aggressive people, men women aggressive not worrying about following line. So yesterday, the NFL top one hundred voted on the players did not make Patrick mahomes number one player in the NFL. I no problem with it. I'd probably put them there but. It's okay. Yeah, Lamar Jackson finished number one Russell Wilson to Oh my God Patrick's four and the third best quarterback. So let me ask you. Did you watch the Super Bowl? Where Patrick Mahomes was outplayed by Jimmy Garoppolo for three and a half quarters. Midway through the fourth quarter, the Super Bowl. With Superior Weapons and a superior veteran coach. Patrick Mahomes had no touchdowns, two picks and should have had three. And was outplayed. Outplayed by Jimmy Garoppolo, did your television now work Did. You Watch the game that he trailed at home to Houston twenty, four nothing in the playoffs. or where he was shut out in the first half of the year before in the AFC championship against Bill Belichick and looked awful finished the game completing fifty percent of his throws and trailed by four touchdowns entering at home the fourth quarter. Or did you watch him get out played by jared? Goff. Couple years ago. Patrick Mahomes is unbelievably talented. But he admitted quote late this year unquote. Learned, how to read a defence? He is not without fault. I'm going to throw a number at you and you're going to be surprised I'm going to tell you this. Is Not the best athlete in the League quarterback. Patrick Mahomes, ran a four eight forty. Lamar Jackson is twice twice the Athlete Amar Jackson's the fastest player on his football team Patrick Mahomes may not run the fastest forty at quarterback for the chiefs. He's a four, eight, forty guy he's not as dynamic. Lamar Jackson he's not as experienced or as elusive Russell Wilson. Russell never gets hit. He doesn't have the release of Aaron Rodgers nor does he see the field Tom Brady and probably drew brees an Russell Wilson? He is not without fault. Do you realize Patrick mahomes fourth quarter passer rating last year in the regular season? Was Eighteenth that is with Andy, Reid. tyreek Hill Travis Kelsey Kelsey Mitchell Schwartz. Damian Williams that is with an unbelievable unparalleled unrivaled schematic Andy Reid weapon cast. was. Eighteenth. beat badly at home shutout by New England worked in the super. Bowl. He was not great in the Super Bowl for the first three and a half quarters. Now is the great talent. Oh, absolutely. Does he have the best arm? Oh. God. Absolutely. Is He the most fun to watch? He Lamar way up there. But he's as strong. As whence not as bad I mean when I watched Cam Newton come into the League I was like hell that whole my God Big Ben. Patrick Mahomes a slender kid who ran a four, eight, forty got a baseball arm is fun to watch. kind of got a magic Johnson flair for the Game I. Love Him. But he is not without fault. He admits this year I just figured out how to read a defence. It's a little late for that but he's progressing I've said before I don't think he's scratching the surface but I think we have another level of Patrick Mahomes. To another level I remember when I used to come back and criticize Aaron Rodgers. Used to say, I don't think Aaron Rodgers is great. He's not the leader of Tom Brady. I think he throws the ball away too much. I don't think he always is the best guy in the huddle I can remember saying that six seven years ago getting nothing but heat on that in saying I think Aaron is an unbelievable talent but he's kind of he's six two to fifteen. He's not big and strapping and strong he gets hurt. In sometimes, it can be condescending and I and he has a weird thing. We doesn't have a lot of come from behind wins and it's not always the packers fault and not every team likes him and I think errands a first ballot hall of Famer but God five years ago I got crap non stop it wasn't until about two years ago when the media even in Green Bay started saying some errands, problems or errands fault. Holmes isn't a perfect player. I think there's a lot of things Russell. Wilson does better. I really do I think there's a lot of things drew brees does better at the line of scrimmage? Lamar Jackson's way better athlete. Patrick mahomes rent a four, eight forty. In High School I run a four seven, five me a radio idiot. Okay. So it's errand the gap between Aaron Donald. And the next best defensive player in this league is the Grand Canyon. I mean, who's the second best defensive Lineman in the League Fletcher? Cox. Closed Aaron Donald and Fletcher Cox is a pro. Bowler and going to be a hall of Famer. The gap between Mahomes and the other quarterbacks based on multiple skill sets. It's not that great. Some guys are better at stuff. and. Again, I can like it. But can we at least acknowledge Russell Wilson is overcoming an antiquated offensive system, a battle line and undrafted wide receivers? No tight end. Era? Russell Wilson is taking a lot of nonsense and getting to the play offs. Can we acknowledge that? Patrick Mahomes has the best his coach drives bill belichick crazy Andy Reid a wizard Travis Kells. He's the best tight end with George Caitlyn football tired kills the fastest human. That's ever put on pads and Brett vitas. One of the smartest drafting guys in the League. This idea that everybody's got a follow in line what I really loved about yesterday this is what I really loved about it. The Patrick Mahomes went the twitter. He's very funny and he put a pencil up there. I'm taking notes I'm taking notes on this that's why Patrick Mahomes. That's why love him he gets. It got a little chip on his shoulder not this the best thing that ever happened to Patrick, mahomes? The best thing ever happened to him he's too young to be getting five, hundred, million dollars in me and the talk of the town. This is a great day for Patrick, the home he got chip on a shoulder. Hey Patrick third best quarterback in the NFL. Their best player the third best quarterback in the NFL players think that is honestly jet fuel. For Patrick Mahomes and why he'll win more super bowls in four more MVP's and make everybody in Kansas, city. Happy. Got This story NBA's back. Tonight we have arrived at a lake plentiful with in vegetables. Looks like somebody's looking for cliques true hoop. Website or something Henry Abbot who I know in like what in God's name is going on with Henry he says, Lebron James the. Least told story in the NBA. Is Lebron's oppressive overwhelming an anti social competitiveness it is. ICKY. It's the most under told story in the NBA. Abbott noted that James Struggles to be around normally motivated gets impatient with those who don't work as hard. Little tolerance for mistakes in fact Henry at one point says this this is worth a chuckle. Lebron current teammate Anthony Davis may be softening him since he has a special affection for the big. Man. Wait Demo I want Lebron more like Anthony Davis. The hell out of here. That's the last thing I want Lebron be that soft. Yeah, I'm sorry Henry I'm sorry. True magazine. Website. Wherever you are. We've spent fifteen years comparing Lebron. MJ mostly doing a poor job. We finally figured out there match their obsessive. Because ninety nine percent of the players in the NBA are playing for a paycheck. The bronze playing for immortality. So was Kobe. So's Michael. So so are the great so is Elon Musk so as Jeff bezos. So as Bill Gates Steve Jobs there rootless, they're relentless because they're not doing it for a paycheck ninety nine percent of people in America are going to work for a paycheck to be content to get their kids through school they like their job, they don't live it. That's fine. But for the truly gifted, it's different. And we should never ask them to come down to us. They're not demanding we go up to them. Lebron. James is not demanding that Alex Caruso be six eight and tower in Tomahawk Dunk it. He's not asking Alex Caruso to do that or Casey, but he will not sure as heck will not go down to your workout standards. Thank God somebody with the Lakers as obsessive. Do you think they're front office is as good as the clippers I don't you think they're owners riches, the clippers I don't do you think their rosters as good as the clippers i. don't thank God he's compulsive. Thank God somebody with the Lakers is somebody is focused and driven and wilfully would respect Michael Jordan more. Let me ask you this. As a parent, one of my greatest fears. Other than my kids running into traffic. One of my greatest fears they will not live up to their potential. I think my kids are really good. Curious. Got Empathy they're smart. One of my biggest fears is I'm on my deathbed. And they took all that potential and didn't do anything with. Your. Apparent. That worry ever you just want the best for your kids use all your gifts that I didn't have. Would I. Respect Michael Jordan more today. If he was less relentless, less willful. And wouldn't have tapped every ounce of greatness out of his potential. That's why we loved Kobe and why we love MJ. That's why we love Lebron. Because you get. So rarely a tiger woods or an oprah or an Elon Musk who are flawed. But they have this massive intellectual capacity or athletic capacity or emotional capacity, and they just squeezed that damn towel they get everything out of it and you become an icon. The Braun doesn't ask you to be as great as him. But he should never lower his standards for me or you or Alex Caruso. This article is nonsense I. Want Lebron to me more like Anthony Davis in what lifetime. I want everybody that has nearly as much as Lebron schoolteacher scientist, engineer radio host. Be Relentless be willful be a pain in the arse occasionally not every day. Well you want for your kids is what the greats all through this country give us. It's why we'll get through. Because, we got nine thousand people working on back scenes in their brilliant. The idea that I'm supposed to look at the great in this country, the mark, Cuban's the OBAMAS and I'm supposed to go. You know if they can just slow down a little for me Nah not remotely interested. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon Eastern. Not Am Pacific on Fox sports radio affects one and the iheartradio APP, and that was just talking about my kids in my fears as a dad they won't at least achieve some of their talent some of their. Capacity or they won't reach at least some of the heights I think they could. We tend to a and I cook I hope I'm not guilty this we all baby our kids there used to be something called helicopter parents were parents hover over their kids. Now they call it bulldoze parents, parents like clear a path. So the kids have no problems they call them bulldoze parents I saw it a lot in the northeast I. saw it a lot in the northeast with prep schools, parents just bulldozing pass or their. Kids know struggles dad on the phone yelling at the principal how could you give my child to be? It's bulldozing parents. So you end up raising a bunch of weenies who aren't used to like getting pushback in life. You'll. You'll notice most of the great quarterbacks in the NFL. We talk about this all the time got told no got hit. Got Her junior college too short to slow. You give everybody a perfect childhood it's rough. I'm not saying an Williamson had a perfect child at that's not what I'm saying but I'm already hearing a lot of this. Let's slow down on Zion. Let's protects I on this. We're asking too much of Zion. Here's his coach Alvin Gentry as Zaylon debuts tonight hopefully talking about Zion going forward. I think he's a very mature. The twenty year old kid. And I think a lot of times we forget about that as we get Legrand. These guys are still kids He does it all the nineteen and twenty year old a people do. So I, think we've got to be a little bit careful about you know all this extra things on his shoulders. He's here to play here to have a good time. Hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play. Are you know? Conditioning enough to play. But other than that, we should treat them like a twenty year old. Oh stop you're the one coach who just compared him to Lebron. Put Him in the same sentence Lebron. Any he's not to be Lebron. He's not going to be that. Good. Zion can handle it. Kids today are so much smarter. So, much more self aware. There's so many advantages would technology Zion knows what he's doing. He has more support than players did in the seventies and eighties warren, Buffett always talks about this. Every generation of kids has a better life than easier life and more support than the previous generation. Nutritional advantages Michael Jordan didn't have therapy advantages psychology. Coaching Advantages and support personnel personal coaching. Zion could get on the phone today and get Adam. Silver Lebron. James Michael. Jordan Kevin. Durant Mike. Szumowski on the phone within five minutes. The NBA Commissioner the Best College Basketball Coach the Olympic coach, the best player in the game the greatest player ever the second greatest player ever he could all of them on the phone in five minutes on a cell phone he could be shooting a basketball with his left hand talking to him with his right hand. Stop bulldozing the kids he can handle it. Zion's a smart kid. He was asked yesterday about the bubble. You know what he said in three words I WANNA hoop. I want hope. Let me hope. He can handle it. Did you see how this kid handled? Duke when when he got hurt, did you see we handle it? He handled it get forty, five year old I'm fifty I had cereal for breakfast. I can't handle it this kid handle the Duke Situation deathly smartly like a grownup. Have we seen Patrick Mahomes Patrick mahomes could if he didn't have his act together unravel tomorrow, he goes to twitter last night Lou clever thing these kids today these athletes I've been saying this now for a while. It is unbelievable. How lucky we are as sportscasters and fans find the bad guy. Find the third find the BAT NBA Guy I mean don't get me wrong. The Lakers looked like a reality show. They got the goofiest set of guys mill league they they literally should hard knocks NBA but they're goofy there's not a bad guy in the league. NFL's got some guys you have to worry about I'm not saying it's perfect but the stars, Jj Watt, Patrick. Mahomes Russell Wilson Guy I mean they're good kids. They got a fortune their way. This is going to be fine his coach stop putting them in a sentence with Lebron James. That's not fair because he's not going to be Lebron Good God he's not going to be Lebron. We're not gonNA see Lebron but there's never be another. That's over it's like Tiger Woods for twelve years tiger woods. Dustin Johnsons Great Brooks Koepka we're never gonNA see Tiger again. He was he wouldn't even comet. He was a planet. Flew by, we had to sweep to change the gravity. Mentioning with Lebron is unfair, he can handle it this kid from day one duke. Basketball? Shoe explodes. Heard he has been a total a nineteen twenty year old kid today. Is a thirty year old in the seventies and eighties. The coaching, the nutrition trainers the guidance to financial support is so much better today get Mike shefty on ask him what it was like his first two years at Duke and ask him what he's created. Now, those kids come at Duke, they are ready to roll they are ready to go. They got financial support insurance, parental support therapy, nutrition training, I mean they got these kids. You don't think Kansas Do Carolina those kids come out of those programs and they see a miles ahead of where kids seventies eighties even Michael Jordan's on the nineties be sure to catch live edition of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific. Hi, it's the heard with twenty twenty as crazy as it's been, you really start to appreciate the little things. 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Lebron's antisocial he's overly competitive. Anthony Davis had softened him in my takeaway is what time out I want Lebron more like Anthony Davis I don't buy. I don't understand the criticism of Libra I. Don't buy this. He's obsessive stuff I think he's relentless like the all time greats like Elon Musk like Michael. What are you? What are your takeaway on it? In the no henry well, he's a former editor of the NBA AT ESPN DOT COM and great guy great reporter but I agree first of all Lebron is far from antisocial. I mean Lebron is one of the most gregarious people that you'll meet particularly in the NBA. So that that was wrong. I do think he's obsessed with greatness, which is which is what all the greats are. Michael Jordan obviously was obsessed with greatness and sometimes when you're obsessed with greatness, it rubs people that don't mind being mediocre or okay or very nonchalant about Winnie. It rubs them the wrong way we saw with Jordan Magic Johnson for all the smiling and all that he was obsessed with greatness same with. Larry Bird Isiah Thomas that's how the are. So there's no issue there and I even thought like the the the story talked about how because of Lebron's personality there's some guys have been playing with him and things like that I think it's more about the fact that when Lebron. Plays he everything goes through him. I think that is what has kind of pushed more players away. Then just Lebron's obsessive and control over everything. Now, I I'm not saying rub some guys around way but I think the bigger challenge is that everything goes through Lebron. When he's on the team, he becomes the system he makes all the plays and that can be challenging a great player even a Kyrie Irving who's apply guard had to back off and let Nebraska with the ball most yeah, which is never bothered me but I do believe it's a reality to play with Lebron James D way kyrie irving it's Lebron's team now Lakers clippers tonight does it matter more for one of the teams in y Colin as excited as I am about this game, just because it's the return of basketball. What makes me even more excited are the dynamics. Now, what has happened in the bubble? The Lakers are focused, they are zeroed in Lebron James Look like he hasn't missed. The beedi looks like he's in great shape and that team is serious and the clippers already opposite they got guys going in and out of the bubble guys going to nightclubs and a wide look good in the first three exhibition games. So my point is this. If the Lakers can't beat the clippers tonight. Under. These circumstances. They've got a d. they've got Lebron they're healthy and the clippers are without their third and fourth best players Lou Williams in Mantras Herrell, and maybe their fifth best player Patrick. Beverley and if they still beat the Lakers tonight then I don't know how you can think the Lakers are going to beat the clippers and the plows. If they lose tonight now I think the Lakers will win. But if they lose that'll be three losses at four games this season twice the clippers will have been without therefore complementary players and now they're just kind of lolly gagging through the Bombo so far and they still can beat the Lakers. This is I would say. A must win for the Lakers assuming they play Lebron a thirty plus minutes and try to win. So Charles Berkeley came on the other day and he said if the Lakers win, it's up to Anthony Davis. I I don't see the Lakers as a championship team. I. Think they're gonNa be really good because the Lebron a but I don't like their bench. I think it's an odd mix of guys way past their prime I don't trust. Kyle Kuzma and a big spot Alex Caruso is limited I've never seen him in this moment I don't think the Lakers were championship team, but your thoughts about how valuable ad is more valuable than. Labron. I think the Lakers are the second best team in the League clippers at the best. So I think if somehow the clippers get upset by someone else or if the Lakers get past them, I think they'll win it I. think they'll beat Milwaukee or whoever were to come out of the East look. Lebron. Clearly. The Lakers most valuable player I mean he makes everything go but I do agree with Charles in that ad will be the key that mean you'll be the finals MVP necessarily by he will have to be dominant against the clippers because Barclays right with. Paul George they match up well with the Brown we saw in the first two meetings of the regular season. George, wasn't even playing and Lebron was not able to take over the fourth quarter because the clippers have great perimeter defense that means Avenue Davis who the clippers have. No match for is going to have to be dominant in the fourth and Colin that's one thing I'm going to be watching for. Tonight in their three games, he's averaged twenty six points so that can fool you and make you think Oh. Wow. Had his way with the clippers but no, he's eight points in the fourth quarters of the three games combined. That's twenty one minutes. He's got to be much better. I've been saying it all year. The Lakers needs to get ad used to be in the GO-TO guy in the fourth quarter. So. Alvin Gentry says Oh come on Slowdown on Zion or we're putting too much weight in his shoulders. It's like Lebron and my take his Ziona Shona since Duke He's a big boy. He can handle this. He's got maturity beyond his years. Nobody thinks he's going to win the title that Alvin Alvin bulldozer parenting him he's clearing all the runway form. It's I album chill out. Well this is this is what Alvin doesn't Albertson Gray Guidi. By the NBA you'd have under under what is it under promises at overdeliver E sets tone he always downplays everything so. I look I think right now as you said early, absolutely right. First of all, why are you putting him in the same sentences Lebron if you want to downplay expectations I. Think Right now Colin everything is great. All we expect from Zion is big time scoring and excitement. That's it. Some dunks some excitement some high and you give us twenty plus points he can do that the challenged. Zaire. Will come in a few years. Perhaps, if it becomes a challenge is when people start expecting him to win that right now he's got three years four years maybe of a honeymoon period. Yeah. What we just want to high we just want the highlights twenty five points and you're good. You're an all star year once we start saying okay can you win that is win the challenge will become. Because I'm not convinced yet that his greatness and he's going to be a star will lead to winning no because you know Kenny rebound the ball at big numbers will see only giving you seven a game right now and they're winning their Chin and nine with him. Colin. They were eleven and five in the Sixteen Games before Zion. Zion retired. So they were already playing. Well, the good thing for him is he's with a really good young team. You Got Lonzo. You Got Ingram, you got drew holiday so they should be in a position to win in a few years. I'm not sure if he'll be the driving force the number one guy, but you'll put up big numbers and they should be. A pretty good team. So Nick Right and I are going to be at my house tonight having some Tequila, watching it and going on Instagram, and so you want to check that out bussard because it'll be a lot of basketball knowledge being dropped on I live never done instagram live night and I'm doing it with Nick right into key that sounds exciting kind of. Address Could see anybody one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP, search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like. So strange the dodgers had the 2017 world series potentially taken from them because the Houston Astros cheated they had a spreadsheet called code breaker in which they stole signed and then relayed them two hitters that sort of a no no. They lost draft picks, but they never had a game taken from them yet major league baseball. Suspended for eight games, meaning the dodgers will probably lose once or twice more because Joe Kelley, pitchers been suspended for throwing at and over the head of Houston Astro. batters Lance mccullers a fine player pitcher for the Astros and hey, did not like what Joe Kelly said. Joe. Kelley. Through ball behind Bregman set on free now on purpose. not only do you know take it upon himself to? I guess us in a message, but it was even part of the team during that season You know we knew coming into the game that he likes to go off script. So it is what it is. It was done on professionally. what? was on professional running in the dugout was unprofessional. Sodas it is what it is. We're here to play baseball we WANNA, win? So you know that's it. Let's deconstruct some of those comments, Joe. Kelley. Did It on purpose? Did you not cheat on purpose? Joe Kelley was unprofessional. Rigging. The 2017 world series wasn't. Unprofessional. All. We're all we're here to do is win no in two, thousand, seventeen. That's not. All you were there to do. You were there to rig the sport? Stop Talking Lance. Stop talking. Baseball and other sports don't have this baseball police itself. Baseball doesn't have a clock. Other sports have o'clock baseball doesn't other sports have a salary cap all of them baseball doesn't. Baseball has a lot of things unwritten rules. Other sports don't baseball's unique. Baseball also has a system in which they police themselves. And if you cheat. You will have a small hard baseball thrown at you. Colony throwing his head. He's a professional pitcher newer. It was going these are pro athletes they can move out of the way. Find me the litany of players hitting the head boing by a baseball who never played again it short. When Astros, supporters, and players and fans and coaches talk about Joe Kelly's intent. He threw it a guy, your intent was to rig the sport. I'm going to go with that's worse and baseball never really punished you. Draft picks fired your GM oud talk about a slap on the wrist. So baseball didn't take away any games from you. So Joe. Kelly. Is doing what baseball pitchers and players do and by the way it is allowed because I've seen it a thousand times John Smoltz came on our show. and said, yeah, occasionally, I was asked to throw guys. You throw a little high what I only get a hitch on the ankles you rig the world series and I get a throw. Right? You're. But that's it. You weren't limited. Why am I? Have no problem. When you work at a company. You have to know. What you can get away with what you can't. In football. If you jump off sides, this is why a lot of edge rusher join I talked about this yesterday. This is why they guess they guess they get to five year penalty. This is why you see two or three times a game a great edge rusher he is guessing he is looking at that ball. He is moving upset because it's not much of a penalty in the NBA occasionally to send a message second quarter, you do a hard foul. Guy Gets a couple of free throws. That's why guys occasionally hard foul. In baseball if you. Cheat. Or Stare at home run like it or not. There will be repercussions. And that balls a weapon and it hurts and these guys. So Ninety eight and you'll get one in the ribs maybe sale at hi Joe Kelly can occasionally be wild he no, he knows where the ball's going. Nobody got hit nobody got hurt but baseball was absolutely hurt by what the Astros did. I think repercussions. Are Okay. You stole something from us. Baseball. Didn't make punitive. Is Time, we took it in your own hands a little. We'll find little suspension. I. I'm not San. Life should be a prison yard, right? That's not what I'm saying here. But throwing the ball to guy thrown behind him eight-game seems a little stiff to me. This is baseball. And football you got a five yard penalty in baseball you get a ninety eight mile an hour heater to the ribs don't cheat. That's a you problem Houston and stop talking Lance mccullers. Intent. Sh- don't want to hear it on purpose Sh-, not interested. All were here is to win. A spreadsheet called code breaker. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific on Fox sports. Radio One and the iheartradio APP. Hi, it's the heard finding a new home that fits your family's needs can be tricky. You want room to spread out space to gather in a place to get away from it all luckily, when you need a mortgage that fits your family's needs a great place to look as rocket mortgage when I'm looking for a new house I'm not thinking is my mortgage going to work for me? You want to see how different down payment impacts your monthly payment no problem. You can see your loan options adjust payments closing cost. 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He loses confidence and I don't think Lebron Trust Him. I think Anthony Davis is somebody that I've never seen an Alpha. Dog. I've never seen it. He's just talented and I think in the NBA in the playoffs. Two things matter. Talent and leadership, and he's just talented Charles. Barkley disagrees he thinks the Lakers championship team. I've always said is a love Lebron everything about him but he's GonNa come down to appleaday. Davis. because. You think about this Lebron's don't have his hands full with Paul. George Echo. Offensively Andy visibly. So. At his age that's a lot to ask the handle. Those two guys nobody NBA can match up with Anthony Davis to me. He's GonNa beat a guy. WHO's GonNa? The dictate whether the Lakers win the championship or not. And I think if that's the case, it's not I've never seen him be a dog. I've never seen him be a leader. I've never seen. Barca player. When Cagey in Rondo or in Boston they would they would bark doc rivers forget forget teammates and opponents. Miami Lebron Wade Bosh Barking at Mario Chalmers. You great teams are verbal and they bark and they demand and got dogs Anthony. Davis is simply talented. I've never seen it. All Anthony Davis fans go numbers. Numbers numbers here those numbers in new. Orleans they want a single playoff series. I know he gets numbers. The plants aren't about numbers. The playoffs for about leadership. Because these Games are close and the better coaches in the better stars and the better I've seen bird yell at people I seen 'em J I see magic I've Seen Colby I've seen Lebron I've Seen D. Wade I've I've seen Kevin Durant market guys I've seen draymond bark at guys never seen Anthony Davis I WANNA. See it otherwise you just talented I'm over talented. The world's full of talented people doesn't have many leaders. World Gut town everywhere NBA got town everywhere. How many leaders are there? Five eight seven, not a lot of leaders. So if it's coming down to Anthony Davis, even on those Pelicans teams remember when they won that playoff series against Portland, the leader, the leader in that series withdrew holiday and Rondo that's what everybody talked about got drew holiday just took the series over anthony was just talented and I don't think talent wins it alone I. Think Toronto won the championship last year they got some breaks with health, but they had great leaders on the team add veteran players. They had a coach that people believed in they had coli Leonard. There was leadership all over that locker that warriors team wasn't just talent. steph curry and Kevin Durant draymond green have real leadership qualities Lebron Daego twenty five years in the NBA. You. Go Look at that Dallas team that shocked everybody. There was leadership there Rick Carlisle. Was a veteran NBA team and dirk. Nowitzki is a bunch of old guys. They weren't the most athletic. They had leadership San Antonio's dynasty is about leadership not just talent. So if Anthony Davis is the reason you're gonNA. Win. Guy? Give me more than stats got bark at guys gotta get after guys got to hold guys accountable leaderships hard talent. You wouldn't be in the league if you didn't have it. NFL came out yesterday NFL dot com top one hundred players voted on by the players a lot of it's nonsense. But they're they're they're mostly accurate number one Lamar Jackson to Russell Wilson Three Aaron Donald Paul. Patrick mahomes number four. And I think the thing I was happiest about. And you know it it's going to be. The players now are finally acknowledging Russell Wilson's Great. Battle lines below average tight ends seventh-round, running back, antiquated offensive system. I was talking to a former NFL quarterback last night a guy I've never brought on the show before really smart. And he said Russell Wilson is the doing more with less quarterback in the league that's not to say. He's he's. Without flaws. But if you look at Lamar Jackson and Patrick, Mahomes, they got the coach and the system and the line and the weapons and the running backs and Russell does not. This is finally. Players by the way last year Russell Wilson was ridiculously twenty fifth in this. This is players going we get. And that's okay. One of the things Bill Maher a commentator on HBO and he said this for years and years with politics. Stop yelling and screaming because everybody doesn't get everything at the same time. Twelve years ago Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were opposed to gay marriage. It was a bad take but you can't demand growth and perfection if we're going to grow that, we've made mistakes. and. We've been on the wrong side of history and wrong side of humanity. And so. Players for a long time. They just didn't get Russell Wilson and maybe all smaller. He doesn't have the mahomes arm and the other system over there is very marshawn, Lynch and defense and the defendant nickname and Pete Carroll's a legend. But if players now are acknowledging all right, they have them second best player in the League that that's this is where we should be top three player in the. League I've said I think he's the best football player in the world I don't necessarily think he's the best quarterback town I. Think Mahomes is currently the best quarterback in the NFL. I argue Aaron Rodgers is the second best quarterback town Lamar the greatest athlete and getting better at the quarterback stuff. But Russell to me is the best football player in the league if you combine playmaking toughness leadership IQ. self-awareness elevating others. World's best football player right there and by the way I've had I used to say this about. Ladainian Tomlinson when he played for the chargers I thought, he was a football player in the world. He never fumbled. He could catch could block he could run. He was a leader got in trouble. He made everybody better around him that Ladainian Tomlinson for about five years was the world football player I'm not saying most valuable, but literally did everything well, I think Aaron Donald Right now is probably the second best football player in the World Russell. Wilson one. Aaron Donald to the. GAP BETWEEN AARON DONALD and the second best defensive player in the League it's absurd Aaron Donald degraded everything pass rush double team against Iran leadership never gets hurt has to be schemed. So it's nice the players finally got it took them a while I get it by the way I I started the show today talking about there's an article out there criticizing Lebron for being antisocial. True who went out and said antisocial he's overly obsessive which I don't even know what that means I. Mean you're obsessive night over what's the line on Obsessive But I I. Saw Story in May. And, I just I roll sometimes. The media wears me out. Most people in the media are not aspirated. I mean, if you wrote two columns a week and that's all you do. It's a nice lifestyle. You go to Games get free hot dogs couple of calls a week. You're not trying to change the world but don't criticize people like Michael Jordan Elon. Musk who are trying to change the world. So late, which is kind of everybody's a victim website. They article about Michael Jordan. And the headline was, is there anything more to Michael Jordan and basketball if this documentaries the final word in his legacy, the answers apparently not? Good Hell. Had An incredible relationship with his mother? Great relationship with his wife. Close to his kids. He has an incredibly tight circle of friends same guys, for twenty five years. He's got a hobby Gulf loves it. If that and Oh, by the way, his profession, he's the greatest in the world at it not just basketball apparel. If. That's not a full life from some. Sports writer for slate. 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Purest Form of Playoff Baseball

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

50:55 min | 6 months ago

Purest Form of Playoff Baseball

"Baseball tonight, the podcast this is the baseball tonight podcasts for Wednesday October seven, two, thousand, twenty producing from his own studio in the foothills of Connecticut is Taylor Schwenk Buster only working for my home studio in New York and Taylor. We start with sad news that we got yesterday about Eddie Van Halen. Until, you think about all the people you know who played guitar through the years when Eddie Van Halen played you knew exactly who it was like he was so distinctive style. He was so good at it and you know I always tell people all the time. When asked me about covering baseball? I see you know the cool thing is I get to talk to people who are the best in their field, and that's the way it felt about Eddie van Halen he was the best at what he did. Yeah. It's totally said news I grew of a big classic rock guy and I actually I know his guitar is famously painted and he threw the the tape on there my. Parents would not let me take part in pay my guitar like that like I wanted to when I was younger. So I did just string bits of electrical tape all over it as an to Eddie van Halen. So saddens yesterday. Yeah. What he will be missed sorely well, today in a podcast great opportunity we're going to be talking with Jaco tour Izzy the longtime pitcher most recently for the Minnesota twins about what happened it's going on in the playoffs different events different decisions made during the plops yesterday a lot of insight from Jake first off yesterday braves and marlins started their series and in the bottom of the first inning Ronald Kuni junior did what Ronaldo Kuni junior tends to do. The One And as Paul is driven to right and it is deep and he is staring at UK, ain't coming back and it's gone what a start for Ronaldo Junior home run deep to right, Field off sandy all contra and it's one nothing braves. Now the MARLINS would come back pretty quickly yesterday against Max freed. Re One. Basketball driven that was going to get down Cooper. Will touch third hilby be waived in. And how about it the third single and fourth hit of the inning and another run four one marlins they lead the braves on Brian Anderson's RBI single. That was the Rabbie trainer friend Carl Ravitch on ESPN radio working alongside Tim Kirch in well in the bottom of the third inning with the marlins leading four to one rockin junior came to the plate again, and this is what happened. Heater in on. Allenby's regular. He went up. Oh, hit up all here comes. down. Whoa not that obviously. And here we go. Well Ronaldo Kunia junior has been through this before with the Marlins. Remember. This was a back and forth that took place when Jose. ended. Up hitting a Kunia. And now the UMPIRES are going to get into it El Kantara and Cuneo were getting near one another. Ron Washington third base coach and former manager has to settle a Kunia down. The marlins hit a bunch that was the sound from F S One. You heard the analysts, their present Ski Adam Wainwright talking about the situation after Kunia was hit he turned face the Marlins dugout and spread his hand as if he was telling them look this is how many times you've hit me in the past. He was clearly unhappy about it, but he also wasn't GonNa do anything that would get him thrown out of the game this hit by pitch wound up costing the Marlins Marcella zone at the plate. First pitch to Zuma raced into left field. That's five Daiva Brian Anderson a Kunia hits third he will be waived in by Washington. Here's the throw home. Physical with good speed. And an RBI double for Oh Suda. So it didn't work was the intent and the braves if cut the lead in half. And then in the bottom of the seventh inning with the braves trailing they exploded. To to. Ripped in left field that's GONNA get down that's going to tie the game. And Rbi four, Suda. And the braves half runners at first and second as Mr. September delivers in October for the braves to tie it at for. Travis d'arno came to the plate for the braves. This ball is driven deep to Centerfield back goes Sierra at the wall leaping over the wall. Travis. d'arno a three run home run. It's seven four braves in Dr No free for three today. And the braves win this game nine to five taking a one zero lead in the best of Five Series Afterwards Sandy Al Contra the Pitcher for the Marlins, you hit him talked about the situation. What did he say? If common to me I get him you know those modern album. Ready to I'm ready to fight to the motto album I don't know Taylor. I don't think that that sort of suggests that he was just pitching inside. His body language is that was playing out. It's so it's so bizarre man like don't don't throw a ball. He's GonNa hit out of the park like what are we? What are we doing here and then you want to fight him over in a playoff game like I I don't understand what's what's happening here. I'm going to ask Jayco to Rizzi about that and how he felt about this situation sandy continued to talk about how he's GonNa Pitch to a Kunia. Aman something happened you know you're trying to go inside again him you know and I hit it and I don't know why they overthinking like every time we hit a coordinates Berbers. We all type beach between science when We keep torn inside twin don't mind. Years Marlins manager Don Mattingly. I knew he didn't hit him on purpose. To with the Kunia he's a he's a guy got it. You can't just lay the bought over the plate. And? Obviously that I at it was a good ways in, but he's trying to run the ball off the plate narrow or rent. It started a plate runoff. And got got further out than what he wanted. So are further in the he wanted. Yeah, and then ended in the seventh. Again we thought he stuff was good in the sixty, you still ninety, seven, ninety, eight. That we get the Freddie there wants the to ground balls get through. You know we felt like Gimme. Probably our next best guy. In that part of the order and we just went there. As you can imagine braves manager Brian snicker had a different view of getting hit. You know it'll all homer and got hit with a ninety seven I mean it's it's my reaction. Good. So you know I. It was unfortunate. I'm sure he will guarantee the kid one trying to hitting but you know in that situation I think if you're going to go in you better, you gotTa make sure if you go in you don't hit him. I mean and it comes to a point where keeping that kid that you're you know that middle of the plate been taken away. So You know it was just. Tapping into much to that boy. Like I say you you gotta be careful going in after somebody hits a homer because you hit them and you know and. It's it's just you know you'd better be good or going in and not hitting them after homer. Late in the day Ronald Kunia junior tweeted out they have to hit me because they don't get me out. So he got the final word on that situation game two of that series later today on Espn Radio Astros as played the second game of their series and George Springer boy had himself a day. And here's the lefty firing. Swing at a high fly ball that ball is deep left center back it goes back it goes it's gone up into the pavilion and Outta here springer with another home run in postseason play. That's a two run shot the astros on top two to one. Dave O'Brien on ESPN radio springer wasn't done. Is. I. Bit Swing. He goes after it a high fly Baldwin, deep to failed. It is God that one deep up into the stands springer does not wait around and for the second time. In the inning the Houston Astros hit an absolute shot and they lied at five to two. After Houston's five to win springer talked about his postseason play. I'm just trying to help the team win and two. I mean it's the playoffs and you know this is this is supposed to be on. You gotTA enjoy because like I've said before and I believe it is. You know if if you're ever to get back here. So The Times at that you are here, you might as well try to have fun. Dusty Baker the Astros Manager was asked after the game about Zach rank you. Some people thought was going to start game one. And his answer surprised reporters well, I can't really say right now but you know he's dealing he has some some soreness in his in his arm and so You know he went to be observed by the doctor. So you know we don't have those results yet, and afterward he played catch out in dodger stadium and the Astra's will be waiting to hear from them about what cranky status is going forward the rays and the Yankees. You remember the decision by the Yankees Star David Garcia, the rookie for his first postseason appearance at age twenty, one bottom of the first inning Garcia. Start to pitch in immediately J. Half was in the Yankees bullpen beginning to warm up as that was happening. This is what happened for the raise. Now, the fastball at ninety four hit welder deep right field judge back, and it's off the top of the wall at bounces back into play. But that is a homerun off the top of the fence bounced back in and Arosa Raina, his hit on another homerun and Tampa Bay takes an early. Lead. And show on ESPN radio the Yankees tied the game in the top of the second. To two and a curb, all that he sends towards the right field corner and it's going to go he lines one out to deep right field, and he's got his fourth home run in as many playoff games. down. The bottom of the second inning Garcia was out the left-hander Jay was in and he faced the right handed hitting Mike Zunino. One two on the way and Sonnino lifts a high fly ball to left field. It's pretty well head Frazier's back it's going to go. Sonnino with a two run homer off the facing of the second deck and the race leave three to one. So the raise look to be in great position they had a five to one lead in the top of the fourth-inning tyler glass now is throwing the ball. Great. But the Yankees two runners on base that Guy Giancarlo Stanton came to the plate again. One one and another fastball and it's crushed stanton his hit it a mile to left field way up beyond the second deck. Up. Onto concourse in front of a bar above the seating at PETCO and absolute. Ton of a home, run a three run shot and all of a sudden Singye. It's a one run game. But the raise restored order Nick Anderson helping out. So we'll see what the razor thinking, what's the Nino and Anderson are thinking here on this one to pitch. Through a slider and he got him to chase strikes him out, and the side is retired what a job by Nick Anderson to strike out all three batters he faces with a couple of on. The raise win this game seven five, even the series at one all the Yankees in this game eighteen strikeouts a new postseason record. Eighteen strikeouts fourteen balls put in play Paulin Makita sent that note earlier today Arab in the manager talked about his decision in the first inning. Just because they're so good at you know the roster's built to take advantage of the platoon platoon advantage so You know felt like you know I was going to go to J. Pretty early and aggressively You know as long as they went with the the heavy lefty line of been that was the reason. It wasn't especially heavy lefty lineup. Five of the nine hitters were left handed hitters. It started for Tampa Bay. Aaron talked about the decision to go with. Garcia. Short, it was a little lineup base, but you know then kind of labor little bit through that first inning off is on the verge out of it though two strikes there with a rose arena when he gets them clips. But now that was the plan all along to we're GONNA go shore with him knowing we would have Davey available later in the series of need be to. Padres and dodgers started their series last night that game played in Arlington Walker Buehler got into trouble early on walking the bases loaded this happened the three to swing and miss struck him out be pitches. into and out of trouble three strike outs in the inning and three walks the inning, the padres and leaving unloaded. Buksh on ESPN radio starting for the Padres in this game Mike cleven. If you remember, he's only pitched one. Any had only pitched one inning since September thirteenth because he was dealing with some arm issues, he got clearance from the padres to go ahead and start game one of the series bottom of the second inning. This is what happened. At a slider is downstairs, Mike Clever Jer the set up the first base side of the rubber he looks in it now, James Tingler, I was looking at the radar gun readings and he's coming out with a trainer under percent hundred percent. You saw the first fastball sending ninety one, and this is the one where if you're clovinger, you don't even WanNa look a mini. Yeah. I don't think he's going to be in there when when they leave Tingler out there, the trainer is doing most of the talking. The plate on parlance Barrett out there as well. Mike Clever drew's coming out of this game. The padres took the lead in the top of the fourth inning. The chew. Swaying in a line drive out towards left field that's a base. pollock picks it up around third. An End to score is buyers this steel and the single by Nola and padres have taken a one nothing lead. The dodgers tied the game in the bottom of the fifth. Richard says, yes, here comes. Swing and a bouncer right side on the edge of the outfield turf throat a I did it gets away from hosmer scrambling into score is Turner. Trolling worth threw it away the dodgers if tied it, it's one one I'm not sure what happened there by the way Cal Peterson. Also working with Boob in that game, the dodgers broke out in the bottom of the six any to take control. This game Justin Turner had a hand in that. And the pitch. Swing and a ground ball right side it squirts through. Here's bets around third out his way to the plate. He's. Score. Turner got just enough of it. And it's now three one, and so the dodgers win this game five to one one other note the Cleveland Indians leadership announced they expect manager Terry Francona back for the two thousand twenty one season Miss Forty Games in two thousand twenty due to health reasons. Pitch Ni- seasons in the big leagues for three Point Eight, two year a most recently with the Minnesota twins in two thousand nineteen, the last full season baseball hat he made the American league all star team posting. Three five, one era jake, how do you watch the postseason? I like I dissect it more than anything else put myself in the situation of the pitcher what I would do in certain instances maybe pick up a little things you know being having pitched in the postseason it's it's a different different mindsets deal and obviously this year it's completely different with no fans because the fans I feel like are a huge part of the postseason really give you that home field advantage but it's it's it's fun to sit back and watch a of guys as a lot of these guys seen a Lotta pictures. So no, they're thinking different things in different situations. So it's kind of fun to go along with them and and try to. Piece, together, maybe what their thought process or with their approaches because a lot of these matchup seen right now, our divisional match up saw I means they've seen each other a lot of times and seeing what kind of adjustment each side mix. Yes. especially with with the format that we have now where you're gonNA have four games in four day. Eric. Me Five Games in five days in the division series that changes things. But when you're watching like, for example, yesterday, they were four games how much and how did you watch that you have the TV on when the braves and marlins going yesterday or is sort of checking in checking out with two young kids? Yeah kind of checking in checking on try to watch some of just about every game but it's a little bit easier. Said than done like you said the little one when Nick said that time and just running around being kid being outside. So I caught a little bit of back half of the. Harland braves, and then a little bit of the the Astros and the as but then I was able to sit down and kind of watch the The a raise matchup, and then just a little bit of the late evening match up, and then it's bedtime. So I kind of watched some highlights read about what's been going on. So I can Kinda of see what's going on series and whatnot but yeah, I mean, it's it's a pretty good pretty good gig right now to just be chasing around your kids and then when. You take a break you're GonNa Watch baseball for a while. So yesterday I think the big I mean if you call it controversial decision I, I remember once and I've told the story in the podcast before I knew Bruce Bochy back when he became the manager of the Padres backup before the ninety five season and when he was managing the giants, I'd go up to him. During the postseason say Bocce I'm trying to keep up are you an idiot or a genius today and it always seems to be through the prism of the result you know if it doesn't work out then the the managers knucklehead. But I, gotTa tell you as as Aaron Boone who's a friend who I worked with is that was playing out yesterday where they start David Garcia. His first start in the postseason, his first appearance, the youngest starter by for a Yankee and a postseason game since Whitey Ford in nine, nineteen fifty and then they bring in j half after an inning you're someone who is uniquely qualified to sort of evaluate that because you played with the rays and you understand how they use matchups I disagreed with it because I felt like that whatever. Whatever advantage you glean potentially maybe with one lefty righty matchup, you lose by having to pitchers kind of out of their comfort zone what was your take on it? was unique one I was sitting there watching the show half warming up and there was a little head scratching because typically you know as as we all know, the opener is usually a a relief pitcher and you bring them into the face. They're they're part of the order from the GEICO and then he kinda resets it so when you're not looking to face. The order three times in a row you that extra inning where you get through the sixers starter as opposed to just ending after five. So to do that with starting Pitcher, let alone one of your guys that others you know, what are your dues pretty much especially moving forward he's YOU KNOW GARCIA'S A. I think we saw yesterday. Obviously, it didn't go as well as he would have wanted I, feel like he was pretty. Composed on the mound pretty STOIC for being first playoff start as a young young man. So. That's kind of those experiences where you want him to go out there and pitch. That's that's a big career points and to I you know I, it has to be preplanned. You don't just have your other starter down there and getting hot in the first sitting on on a phone call. Typically they y'all give you a little bit of a head but. Yeah. It was a unique one especially when you're I I can give you Langton in a five game series with no days off there might be a point where maybe you're up by a law or maybe down by a lot in that middle middle ground where it's a close game one where you need about three innings to fill out the rest of your guys are hanging. That's an important set of. Endings right. There could be the difference of a winner law. So I found it a little bit unique that they had both guys you know up and going there in the first inning and. You know they would've won maybe it looks a little bit different day but losses always amplify decisions. No matter what what they were if it was the right or wrong move my opinion do you think that You know the potential advantage of of with a platoon matchup early in the game Is something that attention we make that worthwhile or do you think it can be over thought which is what I felt like about last night's game. Yeah I, think it's over thought from a Yankees standpoint and just for the fact of it's not the norm for them. You know the radio do that all the time they've been doing it for years. You know they even moved pitchers to positions so they can bring in another pitcher. Then bring the other guy back like that's the norm for them is the oddity they're kind of the innovators when it comes to different pitching styles they they've created a lot of different things that a lot of follow but I'm not sure if. The Yankees had done that once throughout the year and at the time in the postseason to do that and obviously I'm not the manager I don't know their analytics I don't know what their you know their bullpen situation looks like but. It was definitely a unique time been do that when you may or may not have ever practices it or bowling never done it because as a starter. there. Much length as you can and your built up to do that and I thought during the regular season Garcia pitched well, instead it Hap- you know down the stretch right there they they're both really good. So yeah, not knowing the full, the full strip didn't strike me as odd and just a little bit unique and you know now that ended up being a loss, you're you're down to pitchers because they're gonNA need you know at least one or two days arrest to to be able to be back in there again. I wanted to ask you about that I mentioned the five games in five days. Format is so different than what we're accustomed to travel days during the postseason. Typically in a five game series, you'd have to off-days built in and you remember back in two thousand sixteen for example, the Indians essentially relied on Corey Kluber and three relievers. Through the first rounds because of the off days. How much more of a challenge do you think that it makes it for managers for pitching coaches and you know what adjustments do you see teams doing early on in terms of trying to offset that? Yeah. I think it's more of a purist form of the play offs. Just like you said, it's a good team can have to starters with off days and they can pretty much get their way into the you know to the world series when they're when they're on their way up. So now that you put it up five days and five days or if. I gave them five days. Excuse me there. I like test your death, not only as the starting rotation but your bullpen as well because I think we saw in Game One John Curtis came in and it didn't go so well forum and you kind of have to let it ride because there's still is another four games to play. You're going to eat those. And it's unfortunate that it took a bad turn into the game but. That's how it goes in the regular season and I think that's what you're going to be seeing a lot of is maybe a little more regular season. Managing when it comes to certain teams in certain rosters but you know not to. We can my second point but roster construction, I think the huge thing especially with twenty eight guys. Now that are allowed for this postseason I. Think it's really important to maybe carry that extra arm that couldn't give you that flexibility as you're moving forward but as a as a player I, I, like it I think it really can separate teams of depth as opposed to the ones that have. A. Couple starters and you need to piece together the rest but normally you're you had the luxury. So even bench construction from from a position player standpoint. There's GonNa be situations that arise that if you guys if you have, you know three utility guys and one the better hitter year, you can afford to use them at that point when you know you have a backup for him later on in the game as a defensive substitute so. there's a lot to look into but I I kinda liked this style and as a player, you want to get into routine and go play. So this is normal for us. I feel like the off days and normal postseason or abnormal when it comes down to a regular one what are you seeing Giancarlo Stanton as a home run in each of the four games you to last night he's got five and you're you know you pitched against them it looked up the numbers today three per Lebanon Homerun and struck him out five times. What are you seeing him? You just seems like he's locked in right now I think yesterday was a pretty good. Show of what he's what he that right now I mean this her he was a mistake they usually when you throw that type of occur, that's you know as bad as it was no no offense the glass I mean. We've all done them when you throw throwing up there that high that's usually. Hurt pitched because nobody ever swing the bat, let alone its it out. So That just showcases how how strong and how did he seeing it right now and he can hit a pitch out to right field especially and then. Makes the adjustment the next and bat turns on ninety six or ninety seven, and I don't know if that was asleep for that or whatever. There's no way that was four fifty that was closer to five, fifty, four, fifty so. What just what I see on a him right now is like comfortable the comfortable player and I know you know he didn't have a lot of the bachelor in the regular season with some injuries, but he's coming back and he's hot and not. So what matters in the postseason the way? I don't really know the right way to get any player out when they're in the hot streak like that when you're covering every spectrum zone but. You know I feel like for me personally when I was facing him obviously the daunting figure at the play he massive human up there and covers a lot of the strikes only you can get ahead. That's that's the big thing is make quality pitches get ahead You know he's such a big guy usually in better the bigger guys in a way they can reached out with power but you know once you get ahead you Kinda can dictate the bat but Yeah, he's he's really locked. Down and I think it's really good for the game because he's the type of guy everybody's sitting at home watching that game yesterday was hoping like I'll we wanna see really lean into one you know we have a guy in Minnesota that does it all the time snow like you WanNa see hit it with everything they have and that's that's what he did yesterday. So that's what everybody at home was wanting to see. He gave it to him and that's really good for baseball you know in my opinion. Yeah I agree with you. you want stars to be stars especially this time of year the Astros they win yesterday they have a commanding lead in their series against. my sense. Them just haven't gotten to know the players for the spring training was obviously uncomfortable for those guys the interviews with knuckleheads like me talking about what happened with the science stealing scandal And you know A, they're no fans in the stance that they're not getting. You know probably the type of feedback from the stands they normally would. But the other thing too is I feel like they're just so freed up mentally they just looked. So relax because it's almost like. Well, you know what? We can't satisfy people in a people aren't going to like whatever we're just gonNA. Go play and he had guys like, Springer Carlos Correa looking great. Yeah it's. It's kind of that. You know I don't WanNa say Dylan mentality but something along those lines of they know you know obviously everything that happened there not looked upon the greatest later right now and there's nothing they can really do about it. So you know what is the one thing that you can dictate on your own without caring about public perception? It's just a game in between the lines. And going out and play you know everything that had one of them is not good for the game not good for a lot of things. But at the end of the day, they're still really good baseball players and that doesn't change just because you know something like that happen there's still they've still what they make. If they win this series, it'll be the fourth lcs they made in a row so. Even, with everything that happened, you know you still have to be a good player on top of that and I think that's that's showing right now. Maybe they've simplified it, you know not having fans I. Think is a big help for them. I not really hot take or anything like that especially. Out in La Right now are they're at so I'm sure there'd be a lot of people out there and just Just there for a hard time essentially so I've talked with Players on their team and he wasn't even there for the For what had happened and he said it's just everywhere you go doesn't matter eat with or without fans we're still getting ridiculed in in the face of the media social media accused me all that type of stuff but they are they're dangerous team they've been there. They've done it before and this is almost familiar territory for them and You know we saw it firsthand in Minnesota. They beat us in some close games. They pitched well been pitching world series and they come up with the clutch and like you said to, about Springer He looked pretty pretty playoff springer dodger friendly springer again, I think he's had five or six home runs there and. Again. Another guy that's when he's locked and he seems like he's hitting every pitch out as well. You know. The neck ball out, you can sit on the breaking ball and. He's a fun player to watch not only offense but differently too. But when you have a guy like that with power at the start of your lineup I, think that's the difference amick that teams. you know then the luxury of having a player like that or really at an advantage especially in the playoffs. What was your read on? What happened in the braves and Marlins? Game Kunia. Junior hits a monster home run first plate appearance. Next time he gets smoked I didn't in the big leagues when I saw the picture I was like okay that doesn't look right and he was not happy about it and he pointed to the Marlins dugout he held up his hand referencing the number of times he's been hit by them. And I do think that that's a moment in the postseason that can that can fire up a team? What do you think? It certainly looks like I did yesterday. I. Mean they kind of. From that point on and really put the game out of reach the next double innings. But you know I if it was intentional, I don't really I don't agree or disagree with it. Whole lot of standpoints even in normal situations on just not the type of person not the picture that I am like. You give up a home run of the homerun. So be it that's that's how it goes. You don't need to do anything to harm a person after the fact just because either you made a mistake they're just a really good player in that certain so. but history between him in that team are I think it's pretty pretty glaring. So you know I, don't know and get to see too much of that game but obviously they're gonNA amount of the up pretty darn good pitcher and all star last year and I don't know how many other pitches he lost arm side to a righty after that point might be interesting to know but Yeah just definitely, not good for. For the game especially when you have a team like the braves or you fire them up a little bit and they don't really. You know really need too much help when they're their. Teams they are. So when you had extra fuel to the fire, that's usually not a good thing for for the opposition especially when it's you know a Kunia, who is you know one of our premier talent and the game and be go up redacted up the game you. You did nothing wrong. You don't deserve to be. It's making better pitcher next time or change it up there. There's no reason for to get drilled after a plate appearance like that. Clayton Kershaw starts for the dodgers tonight as a pitcher what are you appreciate the most when you see him on the mound? Right now I appreciate just what he's you know. What he's done in his career of he's he's transitioned from that hard thrower with everything you know awesome never wavered during his time of. You know. Velocity dropper drawback whatever you know everybody wants to call it and he's still one of the most pitchers in the game. I mean, it's it's incredible. The the worth the work ethic. I've heard that he has I've fished with his teammate richhill this year and I was talking to him about the hey, you know. What is curse do that it's a separate said he his daily routine the separator because he does it every single day at a high intensity and that is what he knows and even when he's been banged up, he still continues to he's such a creature of habit i. think that's what gives them is is is his work ethic his drive his? His mentality. Going against everything that he does so. It for me I really like it when guys maybe have a blood and then they come back and be dominant again because that's just it shows how you persevere as a person as a player you make the adjustments and when you've been the league this time everybody knows who Clayton Kershaw this what how you know was player he is and you know what kind of stuff he has, but yet he goes. Out and dominates every single time, and that's just the separator for me is when people know what you're going to do to him and you still can't do anything about it. That's when you're a very special player and you know a future hall of Famer down the road. I don't think anybody has to worry about that. So He's a special guy to wash I'm looking forward to watching some of his Word tonight because he he's one of my favorite guys just to sit back and watch. He's pretty surgical out there what he does and it's It's a fun thing to see. Jake my favorite story about him I I went to do a piece on him for for Sportscenter and baseball tonight where I'd go and and watch him go through an off season workout and you know he lives very close to where he went to high school down in just outside of Dallas and you know I go down there and I get the camera crew and and so you're figuring that there's going to be like this entourage of two or three vehicles that are going to roll up. There might be a publicist there might be a trainer there might be a yoga person whatever I Mean that's something I've sort of gotten accustomed to in working on those types of stories. Well, one vehicle rolls up and there's only one person in it and it's Clayton. Kershaw on. He's got a key to the indoor football facility at his old high school and he goes in there and he goes through his own workout. He goes to he goes to the gym do the weight training. He's all by himself doesn't have anybody with him. He is just attacking. You know going through that workout I thought that was really cool you know and it tells you a lot about sort of who he is. Absolutely and I think, we see it on a five day basis. He's fiery out there. He gets going and I love that I love when pictures show emotion on the mound when it's when it's a situation that you wouldn't expect emotional because that just shows the perfectionist in us as a starting pitcher especially, and how you hold yourself. You know every bit your that I know usually hold themselves to a higher standard than what the public does and when you're him and your, you'd as one of the top top. And, you still have yourself above that. That's that's what I like to see, and that's the type of person that I personally would love to be around and you learn from those guys. That's why their leaders because you want people to be molded. To, his to his mold, and obviously that's way easier said than done because it's a special person special talent have all that wrapped into one but when you have guys like that on your stuff. You sit back and try to soak up as much information as you can because It doesn't come by all that often and you're not fortunate to have those guys on your roster year on in your out. All. Right. Tell me as we go into the wintertime for you. What What are you looking for in terms of free agency what? What's your expectation about what's going to happen this winter? Because I think a lot of even folks the team level are wondering what's going to happen. Yeah I. Think it'll be interesting from from a certain aspect. It'll be You might be slow early on for everybody is everyone's trying to get their bearings on what just happened with the season and what the off season layout even going to be looking like at the end of you know new usual formats but you know I like there to be a lot of interest I don't think for starts is. Telling of me the pitcher or my career or whatever it is I, think, I've my consistency over by. Entire career is what is the most important thing? It's a year I think everybody realizes this year was a oddity and Whatever maybe hopefully never had to experience one again when it comes to a lot of the things that we all had to go through. But you know I had someone who thinks and got drilled in the chest quick blister at the end of the year to go on top of that. So it wasn't exactly the the most favorable season to go out there. But at the end of the day, you know looking back on it, there's so many pitchers with arm injuries that. You. Know teams are going to have to fill these holes, but you know all next year for a lot of them. A lot of them were sleeping in the injuries and I feel pretty fortunate that none of the stuff that happened to me was arm related and we're not with they will be out there. With. The data that we have nowadays and the analytics I know the stuff that I had on raw paper was the exact stuff. I had in two thousand nineteen. So there was no drop off or whatever it is. It's just how it goes in started. So I was. I was looking at some stuff, the other day and. you know my four starts working ideal is I wanted him to be but I had a month last year where it was even worse than what that wasn't i. think it was for five or six dollars and I still had the best of your by career. So. Taking a snapshot of a shortened season. I. Don't think it's a good valuation, I think there needs to be. Hopefully evaluation from an in depth. Look of I mean we have the data to do we have the numbers to do it. So it'll be interesting to see what teams died deep into guys that they like. But I expect there to be a lot of interest. In me I know what type of picture I am I can bring to a team, a good team and. I'm excited for it not going into it with a qualifying offer will be different from me won't be as rushed as it was this past season but It'll be Hopefully be a good one at the end and looking forward to talking with teams, talking with pitching coaches and really trying to get to know systems because that's you know winning is the most important thing to me. Now at my point of my career and there's a lot of teams out there that I got the taste of winning this year, which I think is good for baseball with the expanded playoffs and hopefully making that pitch to. Stay in that winning culture or continue on the winning path that they're on. So I, feel like I can give you know pretty much all thirty teams some help. So you know we'll sit back and wait and see how everything goes but I I'm personally excited for it and Y- be ready to ready to go once the world chooses over and we can start doing season things again. Yeah. I totally agree with you I think you're going to get a lot of interests because a lot of teams now are looking for bedrock in rotations and that's been demonstrated throughout your career Jake great stuff today I, love your insight because as I said, you played I didn't. I feel like I'm speaking out of school so. Thanks for the time and great to talk with you. I was really buster. Happy to do with always fun to talk and give whatever inside I can bring to the situation right? Wrong or indifferent. It's always good to talk baseball with. Numbers game. Carolina a reporter and a producer Albie Dot Com and Sarah topic of the as we just talked about with Jake Arrieta, Boone's decision at the outset of the Yankees game I i. really feel like they over thought it i. think it would have been a lot better if they just started Jay. Happy because I don't really think they got much of an advantage when it came to you know trying to dictate decisions that the rays made. Would you make? Yeah, you know I think you know the attempts seem to be you know the kind of Bayton switch you know kind of like the way. Mile A. N. Brennan Woodrow, are that the burs did against the dodgers a couple of years ago. Of course, he only faced Miley who started the game only faced one batter in that. So a little bit different than Davy Garcia pitching the entire first full inning but it did feel like maybe it got over thought a little bit a little bit too much I. Mean Garcia looked fine. I was interested to see how DP could and you just wonder I. Mean they're still in a good spot with Tanaka going today but if you can get laid out of any starter in any situation, I, feel like. That has to be the goal especially in this postseason with everything we've seen and so the fact that you end up burning two guys seems to work against what they're trying to do here plus all the relievers that game and behind them because it didn't go well early in the game let's play the numbers game number three. So speaking of pitchers number three is nine. So the padres used nine pitchers last night, which tied the postseason record, but that's not that rare thing because they have already done that now three times this postseason. So they're the first team in postseason history twos, nine pitchers in. A. Game three times in a single postseason. Even if it was extra inning games, anything else are the first team nine pitchers in game three times in a single postseason. They've used at least eight in every game. They've played this season and just watching the padres you just I mean the pitching obviously they've been hit with injuries. We saw club interleaved the game last night injured early. Dental Selamat has not made it back to the roster any point since they've made it to the postseason, but you watch that and you wonder who can pitch and who's not going to be tired because they're using so many guys. Number two, number two is fifty, two point, nine percent. So thus far in the twenty twenty postseason that's how many percent of runs scored via the home runs fifty two point nine percent basically fifty three percent it that includes yesterday in the Yankees and raise game. The first nine runs the game were all scored on home runs so that rate of fifty two point nine percent would be the second. Highest for a single postseason, if it were to end up that way, the top three list was fifty three point five percent in Nineteen fifty-six and then fifty two point one percent in nineteen fifty, seven than fifty point nine percent in two, thousand seventeen. so that twenty seventeen numbers sort of the one we wanNA keep an eye on considering that's when there was actual expanded playoffs not just World Service. Number one number one is four. So Giancarlo Stanton now homered in four straight postseason gains, which is tied for the third longest single postseason streak all time the only strikes longer than that. So what he'll be going to continue as if he homers again today are twenty fifteen Daniel Murphy who. Six Straight and two thousand, four Carlos Beltran who homered in five straight and Stanton's the third player to homer in each of his team's first four games of a single postseason joining Nineteen ninety-six, Gonzalez and nineteen, eighty-seven, Jeffrey Leonard. But since they weren't on the list, I just said you can tell they did not extend those streets to five straight. So he would. Be the first player to homer in each of his team's first five games of the postseason if he were to homer today and he already is only Yankees player to homer enforced shakings in a single postseason. I mean. It's exactly what you want to see from him and not second home run hundred, eighteen point three miles an hour off the bat last night. I loved Ron Darlings reaction on the broadcast like I haven't seen a hitter do that to baseball ever that was that was a lot of fun before you go what was your take on? What happens Ron Ronald Kuni Junior, and his first two plate appearances because I thought they threw at him the second time not just the pitcher. Yeah I mean you know it? Will. Never hear the exact answer to intent. We always know that but it certainly felt pretty suspicious. You see the Homerun you see the backflip you see how he and it was great I mean he was the youngest player in postseason history to lead off from. Ronnie. Starting off his team in this great spot after they had hide so many postseason issues prior to twenty twenty. I was so excited for him with that home run and then to see him come up and get hit and we know what's happening with the Marlins obviously Jose Urania. Is Hurt during the series, but we know all of that could happen and not was leadoff home runs as well. So it certainly felt like you know something may have been intentional but I mean regardless, I, love what he did on twitter and instagram after the game. You know he said they they hit me because they can't get me out and he posted something on Instagram as well. I mean I. Love Seeing that personality who rather not come out with the idea of someone getting hit by a really fast baseball pitch coming at them but. I liked that we're seeing this side of a and that it's getting that national stage. So at the very least there is that. All right sir. Thanks for doing. So it's great to talk with you. On Buster. Bleacher tweets. Already, buster bleacher tweets for Wednesday coming in Michael Preston at MC he nineteen seventy-nine rates in. Do you think the Yankees just lost themselves the series by using to quality starters in a loss and also killing the confidence of a possibly great young pitcher by using him as part of a trick play Shirley they are better team than this. Yeah. Now, I wouldn't go that far mean it's still early in the series. It's one all and and they could obviously fight their way back and only twenty one and he can fight his way back but I do think it was a mistake I didn't get your take on this. Yeah I think it was a mistake I think he definitely over thought it but I don't think it's a it's a backbreaker. I mean Garcia will still be available You know like you said early in the early in the series year unfortunate they couldn't take advantage of all the offensive output from Giancarlo Stanton but it'll. It'll be okay Tanaka gives them a chance to win today next up. We got Andrew David Luther at Andy Tangles he's got to for US I up he writes what is the thought process behind allowing fans in stands for the world series it really does go against what the League has achieved all year. Love the pod from Sydney Australia Yeah well first off, they're they're letting them in the stands to make money and maybe to add to the ambiance a little bit. But the biggest thing is to make money bill shaken at the La Times had an interesting story that he posted last night that the fans who were led into the those games are not going to have their temperatures taken that the every person leading these ballparks, athletic trainers, player staffers, they have their temperatures taken before they walk in. They're not doing that with fans I don't I don't get that. Like I don't understand why you know the fans coming into the stands wouldn't be held to the same standard as the players and I know that they're going to be held away from the players per se but I think we know enough about the corona virus to know we don't know everything about the corona virus right I saw that Lsu's doing that with football games to there they were like, oh well, it's just taking too long to get people at the stands like really that's are concerned. That's I I. Don't know. Andrew has other question is could aeronautical be the solution to the cardinals offense they seem to be at a crossroads offensively what do you think about that? Hypothetical Yup I agree, I think there's potentially a natural match there. It's GONNA come down to how motivated are the rockies after this ugly financial year to dump are not as contract and on the flip side how are the cardinals willing to take on next up? We got Mr every other inning rightfielder he writes in you talked about the location of new teams but why not state that? Does Not have a major sports team or put a team at the field of dreams and this guy must really love the field of dreams field. If he thinks that major league baseball would ever put a team there now, they're only gonNA put football teams where there are a lot of fans like I I grew up in central Vermont There are a lot of baseball fans their friends who are baseball fans center Vermont could not support a baseball team and the field of dreams field while it'd be fun for a week. After a while the question would be okay. WHO's GonNa come through the Cornfield to watch them play right? Last one for today Indra Campbell at real camry rates in hey buster why does the let the kids play theme only apply to hitters head? Huntin is bad. But a pitcher can still brush back a batter and have some quote unquote fun on their own but people get upset yet hitters can bat flip in celebrate home runs wild as they want double standards. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah it's interesting trevor. Bauer is tweeting out last night about this basically saying, Hey, if you know if if Cooney junior hits a home run like that, then go ahead do what you want and if you strike them out and you get to do what you want I do think that the And it always comes down as we've talked about many times to the pitchers right? They're the ones holding the ball in their hands. If they want to take a shot at the hitter, they can do that You know in the past you've always heard stories well, that guy was a tough pitcher. He drilled a hitter I. thought it was gutless like to throw it a target Ronald, the kunia junior in that situation prone target. Eight Bright snicker said, he didn't throw them on purpose. I. Don't know that one was way inside I. Think he was reckless in how he threw that pitch at the very least he threw adamant on purpose on this is this is so silly and I think with with what Andrew's saying could still brush them I don't know I think there's a huge difference between throwing a ball at someone in a bat flip. So if pitchers WANNA go wild with their celebrations, I would certainly welcome that. And endorse it but I think there's a big difference between the a bad flippin. Then throwing at someone who's just standing there. Yep, exactly. Thanks for writing in everyone Hashtag bleacher tweets on twitter. Please subscribe to rate and review this podcast wherever you listen to your podcast. That's it for today. Thanks to Jake Odor easy to Sarah. Lang's detailer Schwenk. have a great day everybody. Thanks for listening stay safe and remember hate inequality based on skin color is something we need to fight against every single day. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight podcast. 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A Chat with T.J. Maple  LDCPS3E5

Larkspur Dance & Choreography Podcast

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A Chat with T.J. Maple LDCPS3E5

"Hi. Everybody. Welcome to the larks per dance and choreography podcast. This is Melanie daily Kayla's here again no the system. Thanks so much for joining us I'm really excited who we have a for interview today Mr T. J. Maple been a big fan for a Lotta years. The one thing I will say about this interview, the word that comes to mind is firecracker. Yeah. His story was so good and just so surprising and it's so cool how he's built so much off of where he came from. Yes he's dedicated. He's motivated and he gets results for. For, sure I'm also really excited because we have a new sponsor this week. Right I'm GonNa talk to you a little bit about this new sponsor. It's a company called is slide. Have you heard of Iceland I have? Not What do they do? Will they're amazing? Okay. So you know slides the little shoes that you like Nike makes them Adidas Mixture. So they're Kinda like flip flops but like soccer players and you just slide your foot into. Okay. Got It. 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So the concept of ice life was born, I liked that. i-i'd we need larks per ones? I'm just putting that into the universe if you feel like. Stay tuned. You'd never know that might happen and I'm very, very happy to be partnering with them and I'm very happy to introduce our interview Mr Tj Maple. TJ Maple. Thank you so much for joining us and thank you for doing this. Really appreciate it Okay. Well, I always start out every podcast interview. By ASCII. My guest to tell me Your dance story. How did you get started teams? You've been associated with where you've coached all that stuff. Okay Well, I mean my story starts whenever I was younger Actually I have what's called displays. And so whenever I was younger, I had to wear the braces like forrest got the metal ones. One day at Daycare My sister was in an acro tumbling Kinda. Kinda had everything together. So Bali, acro- tumbling everything all together and I found myself in that that room that back class at one time and It helped a little bit of the displeasure. I was able to to kind of get get out of the braces I had been out of the braces so to speak but not really like. It strengthened. The, condition and so. Did that for a little while not anything major and then around middle school or junior high going into high school I found and newspaper Article with speaking of a talent show and it was my great grandmother who had happened to be a dancer and It talked about how she was the finale. I you know when you're younger and you're digging around grandparent's house, you Kinda dig through things. I've happened upon this newspaper article and I I mean So I asked my grandmother about a and you know she told me about her mother and she was a dancer and. Excuse me and so You know that kind of sparked the interest Moving into high school. In the nineties early mid nineties in highschool melted it dance not worth from anyway. Losing. Not a big You know. Area for for males dancing, and so it was kind of a a hush I had it. Natural ability didn't really have the training but. I was the one that everyone would come to when they were trying out for the dance team. So my friends that want to try out for dancing become to me, and we help woman on my sister my sister younger than East I helped her to try out for the team and such though In High School I became the yearbook staff and I got assigned the dance team. Page spread. And so I've had to I found myself having to go to practices and performances and competitions and kind of weasel my way in. A lot of questions. So the director at that time and Excuse me, and so I would ride with her competitions and everything, and I, just kind of became the sponge that Brian would dorbec everything around me. In not being able to. Even participate in the actual activity Graduated High School, and started doing choreography on my own just kinda freelance had very braves. Experience with my cousins little peewee drill team here in Texas. And you know I. I went to the the director of the coach at that time and said I think they could be better than this I'd love to show you what I feel like I can teach them. So you know an eighteen year old ninety, eighteen year old student at that time I was seventeen in graduating high school You know my senior year and I I came up in I proposition proposes to her right Oh. Who does that high right and we me and my best friend who who danced we came up with these dances and way to her house in kind of audition for her showed her what. I was saying I could teach them and so. ended up getting that job I. I lost money that first year. The kids there were twelve dancers. I gave them a t-shirt US cassette tape for the music and a truck. My my best friend and I think I spent money on the whole. It taught me that You know that just to go for things and. So I Agenda and then ended up to the director of quitting in my aunt actually took over for the rest of the year. So I ended up finding myself going to Dayton Texas, which is where this was two hours away from where I was from. I would go up on Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday from go back home on Sunday. I would teach them and I was kind of director on in choreographer and. You know. So I did that pretty much for two and a half years, and then in August of nineteen ninety nine. October of ninety nine August at pardon me. I packed up my car and A friend with van and I moved to Texas I slept on couches and worked in an apartment complex on as a make ready. I worked at a pizza place I I'll. S to pursue a dream. So. Hadn't I went to school right out of high school after Awhile might management in? Wow. You know people that know me know I res Waterfowl as well. So. Oh my God. Yeah though. Do that and it's you know it's it's a passion of mine and so now that I'm have a career know twenty some odd years later up a got back into the the ducks in the burden. Our So. I. After I went to school for for year and decided this did not want wanted you. I was told numerous times. You know you need to find something that's put food on the table right at dancing career doing choreography it was it was a great hobby, but you'll never make a living out of it right and I remember those words instinctively. Basically just turning into to a you know what I'm GonNA prove that I can't. Yes. You know there's there's something inside there's something that. That is drawing need to this and I'm not a very spur of the moment person. I like things planned out right? Not Respond Genius I'm I'm very type A. Person and I've always been that way so. To kind of follow my my heart and go. This is not there's something bigger here. I just don't know what yet right You know as a twenty year old at that time on whenever I decided to move was kind of. UNHEARD I. Guess. But Basically I I ended up in Dayton. And I took my team. The team had grown to forty three members at point. Wow. So twelve to twenty, six to forty three. Those were about the numbers and I took out of those forty three outlet. Audition for my all star team The Dayton sensations was their game they could audition and there the whole goal was to compete was to go to competition right in March and so I spent the rest of the year finishing up the the peewee team began having a senior was over we had practices two days a week on Tuesday and Thursdays in the apartment complex that I worked at. Bear clubhouse. We fundraise every Saturday rather the car wash bake sale. Are you know sitting at Walmart with a bucket for donations? and. We ended up competing and then you know the parents have bought into this. It was teaching their parents, their their child that. They had to work hard and. Seeing them go from they were with the peewee team to now this competitive team of twelve in competing and doing well winning you know. At that competition, the parents as soon as we were done said. We don't want this to be over what do we need to do? So. parents actually found the building and I opened up Stanford Cetera am in Dayton Texas. Teams grew and so I had multiple teams That I became involved with the dance team at the high school volunteered my services to be their coach and All did that the director end up resigning mid year. So the the school brought me on for the the recipe year and said, we just need you to finish this year and I said, okay I can do that. You know, right Page. Getting paid and not a lot but it was. Really Dream Right. You know I'm doing what I love and who. Can. Combat an eye that. All while I still had my pizza. Baked pizzas and ahead the studio when I had the the the drill taking the high school team and you know. I'm saying this because it just sometimes you got to work harder I. think that's what we're missing in this. Generation is that. You know they they don't always want to work as hard as it takes to get somewhere like, I, I wonder you know like when you were telling your story about high school in your on the yearbook. Staff. Decide what a shame that he couldn't have been on the dance team but I'm almost wondering if like I think your story wouldn't have turned out the same because you've had to eat like you just had to work for everything well and being told no. I'm a product of of no I've never been. Told jests. The first time writer took a while it took a long time to get to that point in my life where I was thought astor and. You know and I was. And it still to this day I go where did you find my redid? You find me how did You, know. Being able to work with some of the teams I work with and. Have Been Blessed and fortunate enough to to produce. Competition, teams far in such I just go. Yeah Surreal. You know I, think the minute that I. I don't have the humility I think in the the. The Giddiness, I guess of being picked you know like, I guess I think at that point, it'll be time there for me to. Put up my my dancing shoes I really feel because I just feel like. There's so much. To be thankful for so much to be an all about. Yeah fight. Cow. Like I get I, got to do that. I think that it's just such a different different way. When when were you finally able to shake loose of your pizza like all your side game. Tell tell me why are you are you running late for your shift the pizza? I fair. So, what happened was after that first year are be finishing the year. You know I was assuming that one year will the principal I went into the principal's office in about the intimate I? Said you know Mr Heyman. What what what is going on? Have you found another director? You know the the team needs to go to camp they need to go to officer camp. There's you know all this has been done. And he and he looked at me and he said now mind you they hadn't competed before. They had had a spring show in a while they hadn't. They hadn't done what they had done in that half a year with them because I took over. I am A. There's anything I can save myself as I'm a I'm going to do more kind of percent. Oh, you just want to be at some games and babysit now I don't want to do that. I WANNA. Pee want them to we're going to have a spring show and so I asked him I was like can we do these things? You said you know what You keep the parents happy and you can do whatever you want. Happy that you don't worry about that. You do what you need to do to make it happen and we're gonNA make it happen. I was I was in such a unique position because that just happened all the time. So I went in at the end of the year and I asked him and he said, you know what he said we stopped looking about a month ago said, we'll why We we we want you to to continue to do this and and I said Oh. Cool and you know and so and then they created a. A pair professional job for me. So I was a teacher's aide and mind you like I had I don't have a degree it's time. So I'm I'm a High School Director Anna High School I'm on paper. I'm doing everything to win taught me anything you know I I'm learning. I'm I'm figuring allow as I go. I'm Teacher's aide I was thought I was rich. I was getting eight hundred dollars a month. The the best thing ever young kid I could quit my job at that point you know like I had the studio and I had the The team and basically quit my pizza job and. Was a teacher. Appear Professional. Now, I'm twenty one years old at this time twenty, two, twenty, still look young. I looked young for a long time and you know so it was kind of course being. In there and being stopped as asking you know. Where's my whole half right? And so did bat and. Sorry I had a this podcast recording all this unsure, but I had to answer an email. I can cut that I can cut that part out you. Know that's okay. The delays have having sometimes in your life. You don't have anything to do and other times you have more things but Anyway, I get the the dancing at Dayton another year we did great. Amazing things. I basically I what? I just had didn't have as good of a year with the parents as as I thought and and needed in, and so there were some issues there then. You know and so I said you know what this is. Okay. This is where this story this doors close but I said you know what? I'M GONNA go back to school and I'm going to get my degree in and I. WanNa Be Dance Team Director and You know the goal was to be a high school director at that point that was that was it and so. I called up Sandy hand-knit McLennan Community College in Waco Texas and I had better taking my kids my senior Serb recruiting event. And I knew that she had had a male one team and I thought you know what? I'm just going to ask why what does it hurt to ask right? You know and so I called her up and I introduced myself to her again and and said I want to go back to school and I would love to trout through your team if it's not too late. Already. Had tryouts and and she said, you know what? Have video and we'll we'll go from there. She said I don't have any scholarships available, I I don't have but. Simeon video and we'll we'll see and so I did and and I I remember that week of me sending the video that when she had it, I was like my Gosh I was on pins and needles. Colder probably three times. and. buzzer about it. You. Know just making sure she had gotten it and everything and. and. Then you know I got the call and she says, you know I'd love to to give you an opportunity here. Once again, I don't have scholarships available, but you know maybe I can help you with. Some room and board or something. And I said, you know what? I'm being given an opportunity and and words opening, and so I said, you know what? I will figure it out and though I worked during that first year. I worked at McLennan Now I'm twenty three years old at this point. And the youngest person on the team was sixteen because they. Early. There's A GAP right But I'm you know I'm a twenty three year old. Student back in Juku and You know how did the traditional route I? Kind of do things backwards? Am I worked for? So majors of America at that time Susan Angel and Then I remember my first experience. You know I went to Camp and everything and. I had to work I was the I was not up to par. Caught up along it. I got so many critiques in. So many you know I got yelled at quite a bit. But. I think it just it forced me to. Kind of fight or flight and. I remember Labor Day weekend I wanted to quit. I I was like I. Don't know maybe this is not. Having second thoughts. I. Instead I decided to. Four corner and I I would get her teased. I worked forty hours a week at the bubble in the mall I would hold time student and I was the team. And I would work and go to school in the morning practice in the afternoon go to work after practice and work until close then I would leave practice and I would get. I would not to the studio she would give me her keys to the studio before I left school each day and I would go and I would work from ten to midnight. Thursday. And just on on meet on making sure I was not the one that was going to get the corrections anymore I did it until I couldn't do it. The. Correct way you know and and so. You. Know I from there I. I guess there for two years actually tried out for as a after my second year I did not make it. And I became the assistant coach at McLennan. Then, at the end of that year the Coach here it s a. With resigning and so I applied. You know what I can at least finish school in st two years and and go back right and I got the job while I went from not making its. Running. To being becoming the the next coach. and. There was a lot of factors needing male was one of them. I know that there was my the boss, the demand hardly Michael. Preston. Hired me. I know that there was there was issues in talks at the time whenever I wanted to hire me about like okay. Do we think it's? It's okay for there to be a male pump on coach you know like that the pom squad was. was what they renamed at that time. And he said you know what? I just. He's got the qualifications I. Think we're okay you like and so you know my job year, it s a was. I mean I got paid little method still I was still having to sell you know routines in and work on the side I finally that working on the side here. I was finally just doing choreography and going to school and that was it and coaching. But. Something that was supposed to be you know stay two more years finished my degree leaves again. So you know figure out where I was going to go. I I'm now your sixteen. So. Where does it go from there? You know I it's. It's. Your degree don't you have two degrees in kinesiology and then another one in art. Degree in Kinesiology in. Science in Kinesiology, and then I have a minor in art. Okay. So obviously that like whenever I read that I was like those are the perfect degrees for choreographer really when you. Yeah was that on purpose Well. Here's what happened when I got here. I. Was the dance major right I was a laid out oh I'm going to be a dancer Dance Major. All I know is dance team though Right, you know I don't I. I wasn't exposed to took some ballet classes here and there but I wasn't exposed to modern and I didn't have the appreciation. Will be for not having that appreciation but I remember I went to my first. Team class are dance class. In The number one, the dance department was not very accepting of the dance team. Times. So I mean, there were people that majored in it and you know all that but they didn't have appreciation for us. They saw. Yes we're yet. They're getting more students but like knowing that I was the the pomp coach was. was. Not An. Easy. Excuse me easy issue at that white. So I remember being told. To be a tree at one point and I was like. Yeah I'm not, it's free. I got up and I left. The class about winning to change my major and I said this is just Maybe isn't the right round you walked into the register and said I am no longer a tree. By. You don't remember saying that you don't like so. Now I look at it and I to some degree have them regrets that I don't have a degree in dance but but at the same time, there's so many. Chapters to my story that I. I don't know if having a degree, but it made me any right that. you know and so i. The way that art came along I changed kinesiology then I was giving you health science. Pretty solid I was GONNA. Do do nutrition and then finally I just I had have reminder and I walked into my advisor's office day and I said. I Shall Science. I don't like neutral like I'm not I'm not. There's not an interest there I have to have something. Sir. I said. What are my options? So we took out my transcript. And I looked at, I had all these art credits. And I that was the quickest way for me to get done. Okay and so that's how it it came about and You know the the kinesiology people were like 'cause my visor kinesiology that time he was like you like one in the spectrum to the. Like. It's not it does not correlate and I said but it does for me. Desperate me and so so yes, I am creating you know I look for an upper, an aesthetic principle I look for different patterns I think it's part has encouraged me to not be so confined to a box. Yeah. You know we're not trying to build a dance. You know we're we're trying to create so. It's it's given me an outlook with color and which. Caused design and. Uniforms palm is my stream believe it or not palm with my weakness whenever I first started college. Really. I got worked Russians with my palm motions and hyperextension than you've ever. Waste and now have more championships in palm. Do you think is because you had to work so hard at it I maybe and so. You're just in philosophy that return our weaknesses into strengths, and so you spent so much time on that weakness that it just kind of becomes. The Glue it, it becomes your strength and so but yet nostalgie and an art. I'm. Probably the only person in the history of the school to have those nominees but. Like I said you know I, it worked for me and There, we have it, and then didn't you start you start at a program to at. Didn't you about like? A. Coaching Minor. Yes yet is. So it's like you're creating the thing that you were looking for right You're exactly right. and. Since then we have a new dance department and they are very Bare very accepting of us of the dance team. A lot of my dancers are in the dance department. Some not but a lot of them are they realized that I was attracting this dancer, this technical dancer to the university now and I was able to give scholarship. There there wasn't any scholarships in the dance department very few if any and so. They we kind made this. This we marry the two together you know we and so The hell. Can they enroll? You know get their enrollment up how can we get enrollment up for the school? What can you and and so then this idea of. You know what if we had this minor of? And His team coaching, you know no one has it. So there was nothing for me to. Copy so to speak right, it was all kinds of starting from scratch and we started about four years ago. with the very first light, putting together a developing the curriculum and going through the process in a now I have almost twenty declared. Students in the. Minor. Crowd. And so we're looking at at getting it online getting you know creating a certificate oriented. These things because no one else offers it Industry Coal it's pretty cool to say you know I. I hope to create. This I think is cool to is this is coming from you working with the dance department whereas back in the day when they're trying to teach you how to be a tree, there was a lot of working together between those two entities. Yeah. So that's and this is a really cool story too because I think there's a lot of people that are like, oh. My God. So cool to be TJ and he wins this and he wins at and he gets to work with these people in. Oh, it's so cool and so glamorous. And because your story is like littered with Retail. Jobs Food Service Jobs I, J yes just a work ethic and humility and a willingness to just. Be dedicated and just do it just got to get it done. No matter. I. Say all the time turned the nose into once. Know turned that no flipping around turning into no one. I get it now. My head. Oh Got I. think that's my favorite thing that I've been saying is because everyone is told no, and then they just stopped chasing and I'm like thrill is to chase. Yes you're never wait. We should always be growing yeah and and always be willing to go above and beyond. Those people that. Continually find a way. They're going to be the most successful. And I I set to my students. I'm like you can't just what got two years not going to get you there. You've got to do more you've got to constantly find ways to. Better yourself and You know it's I think it's important that this generation is. Understanding that yeah. No it there's there's a A. There's a disengagement somewhere With. Wanting everything to be so immediate. Yes You know immediate. Gratification yes. Yeah, and and the world doesn't work that way. Nurtured. Sorted to I, don't believe it should I I believe that working hard for what we want is should take precedence to winning. That's the way to that's the way to do it. You know as opposed to just having things he entity and I wonder if like if you had been on that dance team like I think a lot of times and I'm not saying this about every team. But sometimes when there's just one male member of a dance team, it's different you know and not that they're handed everything but it I think your story would have been different I. Really. Yeah. Yeah. I I. Firmly. Believe that. You know and and I look back people are like I'm so sorry that you know I know so hard on and I'm like, Oh, I'm not. No right I don't have any regrets avenue grabbed. My story is is you can read my story the way that was supposed to be written. and. Like I don't have any regrets whenever it comes to All the choices that know mistakes Oh my gosh, the mistakes that have been made. Outweigh the great things you know, but it's when you can take that mistaken turn into a growing experience then. You know, right? Yeah. I just think we're better for it. And so cool. So you have you have experience working at all levels you started with the Little Pee wee's right and then you you've worked with high school and you still work with a Lotta high school level. And then also college. So real quickly we also. World. Teaming I worked with team England. As well. So I don't know what level you would call that. But the international level. Yeah I guess. So yeah, what the each age level is different and the reason I asked this question is because even if you're the coach of high school team, you're still gonNa have opportunities where you can bring in the little ones like maybe for a clinic or a fundraiser. If you're a college team, you're looking at high schools to recruit. So you kind of need to know about every single age group is there something you can say about every age group that we know like maybe the major differences or what you need to try to to teach at each level sh you know I I believe that challenges a help to change people They helped to make him grow I never go into a routine of I'm working with a different level. and there's only a few I only work. Now, I only work with A. Junior teams and above mainly there's not very many. Middle School teams are. J. JD teams I work with just because a lot of a lot of times I'm I'm a little bit you. Gets for them. But I think I never tried to dis-. I never try to go in and dump down something. I never taught try to I don't Talk Down Zuma to them all like as that they were. You know the older dancers. I try to challenge them in that that frame of mind and that. The way I teach I don't teach. Any slower than I would right I might have to go over it more times but I try to try to get them to that next level a little bit quicker. Maybe, that's just works. It's worked for me and it's worked with the programs that I've chosen to to kind of work with but You know my favorite level My favorite level is high school I I. Really. Yeah I mean and I work with some pretty amazing college teams and And I. And I love Them I I love the college work with. Being able high school is where I. Get to. That's where a lot of the change to happen. that's when when they get get to preach a little bit more about the you know the world you know because there, there are a little bit more opt to listening Dare I mean, of course, my college, the college teams do but there in that area where if they're not too young to care, but they're not, they're their ears kind of open. When you're trying to, you know to motivate them in you know to me everything should be motivation shit just a I'm walking in and I'm teaching I try to motivate while each. Try To. Teach? No. Out Life as opposed to fight. Or they just counting a dance and and if they don't get something more than a dance whenever I go in there and I don't feel like I'm doing my job to my poets capability. I loved that to how you kind of treat all age levels the same and they will they will rise up to. With that yeah that's and it's great. I think the great thing about human. A human I'd mind is we we learn to adapt and so you. Know. If you put him in that situation, they're going to grow when they're going to become better in and. I just I've firmly believe that I believe that. Everyone you know not everyone is is. Treated equal. But everyone is treated fairly you know in that sense. Okay You know they're gonNA work harder. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA want it. You know when they see when you see those teams that you let them you. Just don't know. Don't know again by the time they get to the end of. Of Competition season you watch that video and you go. Just. It's just beauty. Yeah. You're it's. You. So, speaking of transformations. Inherited like National Title Winning Teams Whenever You First Started Coaching Where you are now. Okay. So I want to hear about that too. You like have really transformed Z's. Teams and buil built into a powerhouse at a school You know it it's like I said, it's not like you. You know were in you inherited this where did you start because you hear that a lot of times on forums you know, hey, I just took over a team like, where do I start? What's Well let me just I do have to say that FFA in the nineties were were. they won. They did I did take over a winning team. They just hadn't wants US nineteen ninety eight. Wanted Ninety, three, ninety, four, ninety, five, ninety, six, ninety, eight. Won National. Titles for India NCAA. India. Back, they become the angel two thousand. So. For NCA Dancer, Whatever Ge, the they had one So so estimate had a rich history of winning. I. Did not know that I thought. You did this you should have just said you should just believe. A lot of people do think that because I maybe. Predicting Age I. Kinda put him on the map. Yeah. You back on the map is now I came into a program that no one had one that had been on the program in the program in like I said, they had once a seventy eight. So I took over oh five. So there's there's a whole and I didn't. It yeah. But that's that's that's long. You know that's a big group years. We're not so. Where did you? Where did you start? Did you just show him the the national banners from ninety? Ninety three. NO I. Know I started recruiting. Technical Skills Oh yeah. I turned the approach. Sob was a very strong comic pop. Funky Palm bucky inner like yeah. There grew back in there wasn't a hip hop division. You know for India there was for the longest time there was just team performance And so. I started recruiting talent dancers that had technical skills. Technique. It was more than just can you? Be sharpened strong addressed. You know if it was ten, can you turn? Can you jump? Can you leak? Can you know in? So if you can do those things and I'm GonNa get you need to have you on the dance side right I was more worried at I spent more time retreating talented dancers technically because I feel like as technique and especially at that point in time if you. You had to have Tech Technical Foundation with easier for me to train a non dancer dancer back. Was Technical to do our style dance than it was for me to teach them how to do. Turns into that yeah yeah you know and. Multiple rotations I mean. To get a good solid triple. You know multiple times in a practice back then was. was. Our a reward right it you know it. It just wasn't. We were still in this era of. Cheerleaders could make the team guys they were athletic and they were dancer Ish, but they didn't have you know like Chung's second. I mean it was a while before we did turn in second that. Wasn't just an easy Combo. Tom. Brady. But but that's what I did. I spent more time recruiting. That first few years man I recruited. My tell. went off. Every chance I got. To go out to like high schools. Did you. Go to high school that we go to retreating advance. Yeah. Our Name, our brand I started branding US differently from pretty much the get go. Yeah. Talk about that too because I think, I think even at the high school level shoot maybe even the middle schools are. Out There I. Knew who we were right how'd you do that? Social Media. Or just showing Well I would we would go and performance competition. Okay. We would go and I would set up a table there at the competition and we would have our you know little. You'll be word information. Going on and Every collegiate audition I could find out nature. We were there we we started having recruit clinics. You know pre trout, workshops, workshops, and so that we could. No build build up. My I. Remember my first try out. I got hired on the Monday before tryouts started on Wednesday. Wow. This is already been recruited far and I remember walking in and. We're supposed to pick fifteen people. and. I had probably eighty something trying out. Wow but I tell you what a probably about. Had No business being there. Got It. Okay. Yeah you know and so it was easy like yet the quantity was there. The quality was ways not necessarily anything. I was shaking a stick at Brian. You know at that point fifteen was the number you know in my first year I remember it's my Boston tryouts going. I need eighteen. I I want eighteen. He said you have fifteen scholarships I said why won't eighteen? He said you have fifteen scholarships I said. What if they? Decide to split took scholarship for example, split he said. It was one. Okay. I've been leader like I from the get go as. I can't just deal fifteen was not A. A wide range they would end up competing which wells. Yes. You'd have three people that were either didn't grades or kick off or yes. Whatever yeah. Yeah. It's always like we're never going to win. We're never going to get back to where we could be if we don't start changing some things. Okay, and so you know I tiptoed. Lightly. A little bit as much as I know how to get to. You know but I mean I remember coming in and saying right that first team saying all right. We're having practicing the anime we're going to have weakened practice. We're going to weaken practice in June we're going to meet before champions I we're GonNa go to camp, and then we're gonNA come back week before school starts and have a workweek. Wow. Make thought I was crazy I bet. They thought it was crazy they. They said that A. Like one of them said. After it was all said and done, and we were fixing treatises start school. you know my my thing back then was in questions comments concerns before we club year before we end before we wrap up and one of them. This is the. The week before school starts. On Monday and we're GONNA start going regular practices pin. We had our workweek and someone raised their hand and she said, are we gonna work this hard all the time? Like this overtime. 'cause we don't really don't sweat. So national season, right? You need to turn in your uniform. Very. Quick on quick on the finest said well. Printing was Aubrey I said well Aubrey. And Aubrey Body into my prophets is she became a captain that year so. Still, to this day, we have a great relationship and I looked at her and I said well. You better pretend like its nationals every day then. Wow. And because yeah, we're GONNA do this every day. Have you found like is it hard? Obviously you care and you're the hardest worker in the room and that's the that's the case for usually you know coaching everywhere it's the adult that cares the most how do you get everybody to buy in like? Is it a team culture thing? Do you do you You know or is it just from the get go you only take the most dedicated ones how do you use? It I think it now nowadays, it's in culture. We they know coming in I learned something from Karen Smith a longtime ago at a A. A clapper's it was her recipe for success. And I adapted to mile recipe for success but we go through everything if you want to be successful here, you have to buy in to what we're doing and you have to trust the process. And if you can't do that. This is not going to be the place for you and that's okay. I I'm I used to get really upset and get you know my feelings hurt when people would quit. Yes. People would not come here or whatever, and now I'm like. You know what? It's okay. Right You'RE GONNA have to adapt to culture because our culture is not going to change we're going to do you know we've obviously figured out What works for us. and. Everyone sees the glamour and Glitz, and the rings. And the title is from outside, but they don't know what it takes to get there on the inside and. I just think that I've been blessed with having. Here, you know what? It didn't happen all at once. It happened I would say probably within last. Five or six years it's been very consistent with the culture before that, it was hit or missed it took some time. I, mean it it took. It. Was Oh. Gosh I didn't have a four year member on my team until she graduates she came on. In two, thousand, nine in graduate twelve. Wow. So eight nine in the graduated in. Twenty twelve, that was the first time I had a four hundred members. Wow. WAS IT AUBREY? She was a junior whenever I takeover. Okay the. Her junior and senior year So it was not Aubrey. Yeah It took a long time you know and then after that I, think You know you. You make mistakes. We won in two, thousand nine and then in two thousand, ten was kind of okay. In twenty eleven had the most talented team I thought I had ever had in my life and and I didn't correct him. I didn't critique them. I. I let them get by with. A lot of things weighing. So heavily on their talent and it bit me in the career see let's talk a little bit about that because you do win a lot and is that sort of what you learned is just to kind of really dedicated to the culture. This is what we do. We work hard and then just sort of debt that helps with the placement because you'd mentioned. When you kind of let things slide because the team was so talented. You know. So is that is that the Elham is hard work and dedication that element that. Kind of translates into. The element. I'm very transparent person and I sometimes. Morgan they need to know but I I break down everything for them whenever it's time. So in order to forbidden to understand what we're doing, we break down the scoresheet sheet. We've talk about the scores. I I let them know like. Right away it the way that we do things are done because. It's Wednesay So we break down everything I try to not only just be a dictator you know I don't want to just come in and say this is the way it is You have to do I wanted to know why and I didn't tell them like I have an open door policy and if you have. A problem with something. Then, we can talk about it. It does not mean that the is going to be changed, but there's a place to talk about it, and if you're still in practice when you leave practice that you're still worried it, then you need to come talk to me. Yeah. In practice is not the place to get anything done with me I have tunnel vision outta schedule. This is what we're doing. But if you come and talk to me and and I'll explain it maybe a little bit more than I do get a whole team or you know you might have a better suggestion. But if I've done something that hasn't worked typically am I gonNA, do it again. Yeah. You know I think that culture is everything culture and character yes or or thing to do. So when you go into a team and choreograph is do you go over the scoresheet with them too or is that just more the coach's job? Are you sort of here it is. Here's the material. I, think the depending on the team Jeans I can Tech the tech bricks I do there Palm Choreography, and I'm Gary actually like I would my team right I walk in and you know, Aaron or or totally on the same page, and then though I try we try to Mitch you're they're on the same page as well and have apart the part that Where they might go well, it's easier to do this I might go well but the point, right? He do you know they're they're like get it diet? You know And I mean, I have a good relationship with TAC a great relationship with Coca Valley with April. Wagner says. I've been doing her choreography for. Sheet them my longest. I the school I've worked with the longest period of I'll. Yeah, April and back. Yeah. Yeah Pretty Amazing You know, and then then I. Have all these other teams I mean I try to educate as I go got I. Don't ever try to just walk in and give them being out and then. We try to. Make them understand that they are. They have every potential do well, but it's you can't just have the potential you have to turn potentially something right and the way you do that is through dedication hard work all that stuff I mean the list I mean perseverance yes. Yes. I mean. Can go on and on the line all the inspirational words that come along with it. It's really just you know their character and their their culture. So speaking of in speaker. Gabby. Yeah Yeah. Speaking of inspiration, you're an exceptional choreographer, love your material where do you get your inspiration? Really you know the honest truth is I don't know. You know I never. Refer that I will plan very little before I go into a job It worked for me. I like the pressure of. Having, to create within a time limit and a and a certain amount of days or hours and. I. I have a journal I keep a journal of all my work. I might scale the music and have you know like paid the section I'm GonNa. Have this you know wherever? I don't really. I don't look for inspiration. Around us all way right you know but I don't go out and see it. Got It. And I I'm very big on the organic process of creating I. Think it should be organic and it shouldn't be forceful and it sometimes, you just got a new team that's. Very sorta take on new clients I tend to work with. With team. and they and they kinda get better each time and we get to know each other and they get to know the way I work and and that just. You know has worked. You know for me. So you kinda come in with an idea and with your with your journal and do you have sort of like a kind of a direction may be for each section, but then you Kinda you'd let it. You just let it happen and you create it with the team. You know a director will will what their personal mission I'll have them in that for you and I'll go. I. Don't know. Here's the formation put your answers in spot any beat box ability do. You know and now work backwards from there. Or you know. Just Kinda. I think pattern palmist might like I said comedy. I shrink do. Team performance. A few jazz and mostly palmed but I'm a pattern person I like transitions to be seamless. Yes and You want that to happen magically. When well? I happen. So to speak, that's very interesting. You say that because your routines are. Like I feel like they're visually very appealing and I feel like just kind of develop and come out of nowhere. So that is obviously very intentional. The in goal is always have back. Always happened white away a lifetime. I'll do a second visit or will you them You know videoing exchange but. not always. I don't know if there's ever been a time when I created A. And it ended up being the thing we that of whenever I. Oh really well, you know I think sometimes it's mistake to come with everything all mapped out your mean and then you. Have you have you ever had like a choreography session where it's at the end of the first day and you're like, okay, this is not what I had planned at all and maybe sometimes it's better but then maybe sometimes it's not have you ever had like a panic. Gosh. I've never you know knock on wood because I'm about to start doing you know a lot of work here shortly with you know finally being able to again that I've never walked out not feeling good about good I always that means that have to take a minute and regroup. Go, grab. starbucks right. You know whatever and finalized alright walkaway and. Come back to it then I'll always. Error in that five I kind of pace myself because sometimes you know sometimes I'll get on a roll and it just it just feels out. Then other times like okay I need back off. Back off a little bit. Yeah. I'M GONNA finish this even one day and I need to in two days with it. You know. So I, we try to plan for being there more monger if I. don't need it great But you know. A, religious. And let it all happen I I've never walked out routine not going good about it right at never walk a routine doubted being completed. Unified I can she that up I think we'll. We'll figure it out along the way You know and knock on Wood I. I. Really started doing choreography again after the Kobe thing after. My I I added wartime with my point that I I'm GONNA go ahead and we're going to have yeah, we're gonNA have more time. Yeah. Because I don't know. I might get their public clock. On a roll right? Yeah not took off. You know we all have to take off the world kind of. You, know Paul and But Luckily I. Think it just inspired me more good. Made me. To have a refresher you know like a breather. Do you. Do, you find that the way that you do it where it's there with the team defined that the dancers themselves, it's more of like a collaboration. Are they more of a? You're only mean as opposed to all the pressure on you you know and and I told them that from the GEICO and you know there are some jobs that have to turn away because directors coaches do not want back they. Up Front with them, always them like I create on the spot meaning I'm not GonNa come in and you feel the tree gets routine or if you disregard for hours I need. I need eight hours minimum and that's for like a Texas school that I'm not doing all the layering far because not all the schools that if I'm working to a national state routine, I want to day minimum. You know I wanna be able to take my time and tell the students that as well. I'm like I'm creating this on you. So the more that you do. The better can be. Like we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA create this together so. You're going to have any. You know and so I I, I'm of them were like well active. It makes sense right good once they start seeing things like, oh, I, get it now you know and so. Yeah I I mean. It's basically just A. Different every school go but it teen worked eight for multiple years they go my method right and could get ready for that. Have you. I'm always. Questionable like. An right. have. You always been like that because I would like if you started out as like everything's written down and this is all done and I just need to set it on the door. When I started everything with mapped out without formations were done I had everything just. Perfect I could walk in teach hours ago. What happened was? Whenever, I would be at this point in I was alive extra work on the side and there was a a. About thirty minutes away with the competition team that I was set to be choreography for on Sunday. I forgot. That I had to. Back in the day of of Napster and you know we would written, it can Budding playing music were kind of new. Yeah. And the going on a CD. You know all. That's how I started everything The early thousands. So it was the putting a music with newish. Computer and you know we didn't buy anything we. It off of you know Internet and so I woke up one Sunday morning and I'd say, Oh, my gosh. I could teach the doctrine. Guy Be there one nine o'clock for whatever I was like. Oh No. You know and so. I got and I cut the music and I don't CD and I listened to the hallway there. For thirty minutes On repeat. Over, and over and I was like. I don't know what do. Its fire, you know I walk. And I? Started working. And you know did it and paget's routine And it was. It wasn't a you know it wasn't a I need to be there to date. It was just a little competition or team and You, know I didn't know how to layer the way that I lay your now either that was all something that came upon. Later on in time but I so I I completed team. She loved it. She was. All by so she said, can you come back next week and do? My other teams do their routine I said sure. I. I'm going to try this again. I'm going to try not. You know I'm not gonNA make it up I'm just GONNA CUT You know but I'm. I went in the next weekend. I did it again and she loved routine and I was like. All right. So did she asked me to work with her? Cheer? Team To do homework team like a cheer dance for them for for camp. and. So finally I I looked at her. I. Just have to tell you. I'm not walking in with anything. I'm making up on the box. And she said, well, whatever you're doing is working for me though can you come back and I said? Sure thing though I tried it again and so that would be. Of walking in with stuff done I. Yeah. Thou beer in cases where I, you know dead choreography ahead of time sent or whatever Always. Prefer the tech dance educators action for their All star all eighteen. When. Year and a half to create that before I went. So there's been a few cases here in the air, but for the most part. I'm a fly by the seat of my pants kind of. Choreographer I love story I love how that originated. Gaining. Three, is very organic. Nothing planned. Nothing has ever been planned and crazy because I'm a planner. Eight. Oh God. So okay. How do? You think it should be how do you go about cleaning routines? By count. Can't count by an amount. Mall Part. the way that I clean. It. Takes time. It. It's more than just going over something you know and and we do what I call I have a prophet and the person we called Carpet. Okay, we're clarifying it. And then been a lot of times I will give the student. Be This with my team mainly 'cause I don't go and clean water teams But I clarify I We clarify we go through path halfway. You know. That the main thing then I give them time. You know because I know that that sometimes. Not. The, best answers of the products come from it happening immediately But every day we we will run stuff. So once we we clarify. and. I'm talking about Mike for Competition for regular dances we clean but it's a lot more. You know we don't you have to know your audience and know where you're you're being used. And a lot of it relies more studer. then. We're live on me. CLEANING THEM SO to speak yeah. Queen on game, they were teens, but it's not the rock that if we start with the process of clarifying with the game, day where teams and we have tryouts and so they figure out how to make sure they're doing the right thing. For Game Day in for national, we clarify. Then we marinate. You know meaning that we're giving it some time. Yes I. Don't like the file out of beings. Yes, and that's one thing I was guilty of in the beginning. With cleaning it oh. Particularly, that there's no foul in it. And though that has been my my challenge is making sure that we out that you not believe in peaking. and. Now I believe that we can peak to sing. Yes. Agreed You know and so I always thought we train like we're going to be. Perfect, we could do it over and over what I don't believe that anymore. But so we clarify buy and we marinate and then I give him time and we've run we run those routine every day we rented. Multiple Times. A. I believe it's it's it's very important for them to run the routine film it they can see it. And they can autocorrect a lot of things. That we're. Building there. As we go. Yeah go you know but but I literally and income about three weeks before competition before national, which is normally about spring break. Then I, get my hands on dotted and. Working Out. If. Not. Reading the way I needed to read it changes you know. I'm not afraid to change something I don't care if I paid. The most foreign. From Agra for on we'RE GONNA CHANGE IT WE'RE GONNA adapt it she. What we need to, but I love how you get you give it a chance though but then you there's a cut off point and I remember you saying that in Vegas at the you, you gave a talk at the conference where you kind of pick point of no return where if you don't have a by then we need that's when we're GonNa make some adjustments. Yeah definitely the deadline because if not, you're going to be going, I don't want to be I don't want him walking out on stage at prelims or final and I'm propping every toe and. Everything on my body. Make sure that you know that we're GonNa hit that routine I wanted it to be. You know Herrell within a lot of the environment to when we were outside we took our long before outside. Yes faith in the fun. At because that's how competition how finals were right You know I i. just. That that's how I clean. But I give I give it time and I give it time to settle and to like I said organic I believe that organic can can work with all styles. It's not just a contemporary modern right you know edition I think organic just means that it coming together naturally I love that yeah I mean you can be a tree in palm. Okay. Advice time TJ. What would you tell a coach that's just starting out she's fresh. She's twenty, one, twenty, two whatever bright out of college, her first team or he? Would he teller or him? Heavy side. Go in funny because I teach fifth in my. Like I I challenge them to. To think outside the box. And not to put a a perimeter around their expectation. And? To give it time, give them some time to were there planted. You know I think that. I. Think it takes. A new coach four to five years to get really acclimated and seen a change in different than the culture. Yes. if visit something that takes there's not a magic pill. That you can take to make it happen If you want to. Change, you're going to have to have challenges. You know It'd be patient. And keep your note and keep a good. You Know Journal of what you want to change and It's work yeah. No we are students to to be loyal to us and to. To work hard we'll get what we have to be the most loyal and we have to be the most hardest workers as the coaches. You even if it's behind the scenes, we I can't tell you that there's ever a day that goes by that. I'm not thinking about something for this program, right? What would you tell a coach? It's in a Rut. He or she has done for a while and it's almost like they had to be talked back into taking that job we can't. Just. I would say and I found I found myself in take some time off. You know hake a a week take a weekend. And unplug. You know I think it can become overwhelming. With lightning general but just take some time for you find something that that makes you. You. Know even though this is what makes the tick because I think it takes something special to be coach Find something else that you know for me it was. Getting back into my my waterfowl you know and. Getting time doing that and. You know pick up. Pick up a paintbrush picked up by number. And getting new I duNNo. Life That makes you. Grow in a different way and just kind of walk away take that take a little break. It's okay to take a brain right You know it it can become overwhelming. And he didn't even with the crisis that we're in right now with the the. Uncertain times we're in right now it is. It is really overwhelming. Yeah. They have to find something that makes you tick. That just kind of separate from and they'll win. Win Enough is enough that you have to walk Wayne you don't burn out. No Yeah I don't always have to. Continue. To Burn. Sometimes, you gotTA. Takes a little wind knocked it out. You know sometimes, it takes a little JAP water because you've got some other. PAP to always. But. Out. Yeah. That's excellent. We have to be willing. We have to be willing to go that extra mile. The. Yeah, the most accessible coaches coaches at the all the time will how how do you get your team? To to look at. Well we work. Yeah. You Know How do you? How do you? How do you win? Well you gotta work for it. You know the delusion that it's just going happen one day when your time it one day at your time? No that's not how it works. Yeah, you gotTA. Make it your time. That is excellent advice TJ maple this wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing all your wisdom and. That, I do have one last question for you though. Do your waterfowl do they swim in formation and if they don't what he's? Walking formation. Align. My never in a row. In the AVIARY but. That's funny. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Isn't he? Yeah that I mean especially in the last four minutes, he had some really good quotes there that. It's definitely something to remember. Yeah. You can definitely tell that there's a culture in place there. He's worked hard to create that and I think he works just as hard to implement that too. So he's amazing a huge fan of his work and. We've got another sponsor to talk about. What? Crazy. Right. I know you've heard of this company it's called Glamour Gear and anybody that has attended a dance studio competition has probably heard of this company to, and I am really pleased with this partnership because it's a local company they are in the Kansas, city? 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Glamour gear was so generous to donate this huge thing that they're talking about here in this copy to our contests, the Kansas City Classic, and we gave it away in our coach drawing and I felt like a magician's assistant wheeling out this big prop and Kayla could fit into it. Maybe I could fit into made a big deal out of it just like can you just not? and. The only one that made a big deal out of it my little colleague, Maggie Willis, her daughter's compete, and she when she saw shows is that from glamour gear and I was like, yeah, and I was so tempted to just give it to her because she knew exactly what it was. But we're not like that like they donated it for you know and we're not gonNA. Give away to give away. Yes and so what it does is it fits like if you're competing and you have many many costumes, it can fit a lot but you know any kids can fit a lot. But what's cool about it is it's got this like inner working system then opens up and your costumes are all hanging neatly. So nothing gets ruined and it has privacy curtains. Any of my late Twenties early thirties people out there that grew up competing. You know that all of us grew up with our boobs hanging out everywhere they saw you. Would have been really nice. Yeah. This would have been great. So plenty of privacy when using a bag with the curtain yourself, but there's also room for two or three friends using it as well. With Glamour Gear, you can create your own dressing room. So thank you so much for that partnership as well. You'll be hearing a little bit more about Glamour Gear and you can get information about them and ice lied on our website lurks per dance dot com under affiliates. Yep Yep and that's harvey my dog. Can you name the lowest? Well, thank you guys so much for joining us and we will chat with you next week.

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Niners Xmas pt.2

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Niners Xmas pt.2

"Sometimes Longa isn't better so if you're looking for fantasy NFL game. That doesn't last all season. Tripati I party power fantasy. Every game week is season in itself trying to free are super short super free contest on this Sunday six PM Games the top one thousand five hundred customers in the contest contests win a prize with two hundred pounds first place search potty power fantasy to pick your team hello and and welcome to the show presented by paddy power fantasy good to have you with us as we get set the week for Dean in the NFL and some absolutely cracking matchups gotcha including the saints. Forty nine is the bills Ravens that chiefs patriots. How about the Rams seahawks what are we? Can we have lined up a mock rock concert Olympic gold medalist and a forty niners fan as well making his debut. ESPN HP we'll check in with him. Very very short again. To all of that will talk about coaches. She's on the hot seat in the back. Thursday night football as well. Speaking of coaches on the hot seat Jason Garrett in the cowboys losing again all of that coming your way very very shortly just just a quick shot up for our listener league this weekend. Daily Fantasy League which is free to enter over on the paddy power fantasy site. Lots of cash prizes. Go head to had with me and the og get involved Sunday games free to enter head to fantasy dot patty powder conference leslie for slash coons show push that link out across all the social media channels as well speaking of the way back on Saturday with our daily fantasy show so make sure you drop that. Want to get all your daily fantasy stylings ready for the big competition but we are going to concentrate our attention on week. Fourteen and check in with the Great Mark Mark Hunter Welcome to ESPN. Hugh May love in the new stadium. It'll be this long season debut. 'cause you're longtime collaborator. Yeah I may have you hanging out and just chatting about the Games and I've kind of mischief over West Ham. Shed Love West Ob full of I can but unlike your forty-nine is in much like Tom Deacon last week you a break out seasonal forty-nine his jumper or Tom set the tone tone last week before December to follow up with mine so I think the non is a taken over your show this month. The Look of how the creative if you call if you. I'm sure listeners a patriots but if he can't quite work it all out head on over to ESPN U. K.. Youtube Channel. Because we're going to drop his videos guys on our social media channels the show as well. We'll get a preview all the games this weekend the not is it. Got To be significant game. I think it's going to be a walk in the park. Ah Call believe you're this confident. I just don't understand what we think is going to be closely with. Saints are GonNa Win. I just think we're going to steamroller. Why God we'll get into that in a Bell WanNa hear your rationale for with the onset of crazy fatboy parties arguments wanna hit some logical reasons? Why states are gonNA come close to the united? There's some cracking games this weekend. You'll quite heat on the Bills Arabia's well that's probably the game of the weekend that the ravens of set of massive pounding with the forty niners last weekend which was great obviously disappointed fan but the the bill was above sea. Had the extra few days rest they play on Thanksgiving. They made The cowboys looked very unlike a high school until you refer that to Japan take which is great to see that happening with many teams being an and bn think with the extra rasping home. The Ravens hadn't had a tough game like that all season season. So it's GonNa be really interested to come back from that of see. They're riding on confidence the amount they've won the last day so that's a need to full before the playoffs. Yeah because if you go in for that long history tells you it's not going to keep going. This is what Bill Belichick will tell you the Patriots this weekend as well against the chiefs in the crazy thing here is if they lose that game and the bills beat the Ravens the bill's number one seed in the AFC which who would have sold at this time last year you probably read my column at the very start. The season before we quantity season might have just picked the bills asleep. Pick for this. The other sleeper. Pick the neal jarreds so you'll win some you lose way you the back on that with regret that hey I can hang onto. The bills are just escape over that as we west damages. Talk about my the bill's love so we'll get into all of that in a bit. We're GONNA talk coaches on the hot seat as well Because Jason Garrett after that again I think it was already inevitable. He was going to go but who else might be going to with him. But let's start with the game last night and in particular let's concentrate Mitch trubisky and give him a bit a credit because Mitch Trubisky has been one of the whipping boys of the season so far. There's no doubt about it. Bears Fans uh-huh have pinned all of the disappointment of the season on trubisky shoulders there or thereabouts neutrals around the NFL. Observe as watching. It have been saying. They reached up for him. They thought he was going to be the franchise quarterback. He hasn't up to the hype they might even need to move on from. Mitch trubisky season Mark. is He doing enough to arrest arrests that slide based on the last couple of weeks. TC Hope for the trubisky. Faithful a dif- difficult when you're not consistent if he was consistently Salihi Mediocre. Oh good but it's just it's such a rollercoaster bass appropriate moment when you're when you're meant to be the face of the leader and if you don't have have that consistency play every week. It's very hard for people to kind of follow you and believing you see. That's the problem. Moment he blows hot and cold enough pieces around him. I mean if you think about combined with injuries and a lack look at it. The strengthen data this receiving it which is emerging now of course Allen Robinson sneaky. Good and I think underrated actually mirrors come through is a real talent but when you think Trey Burton has been out for the season plays to Rico and haven't lived up to their billing. I'm not sure he's got enough weapons around it but then again. You look at some of the other quarterbacks in the league you don't have those weapons and they're still able to get it done and I just you kind of feel. Sorry for because there was so much hype and when you're the quarterback in your young quarterback every place on your shoulders when you don't really have any you know the Defense Clean Matt. which is the leader adults in the bears? Have on offense when you think about it. And he's not mature enough. I don't think to be that individual. Do you need that because because people talk about this a lot with quarterbacks that outside of productivity obviously at capability on the field they need to add another dimension which is typically the kind of leadership people. Identify is strong outspoken completely. In commodity there are exceptions to this rule. If you think about the type of leader ally manning was and he talked Okhta. We've both spoken to giants played on the Super Bowl winning teams and they said look. I was much more relaxed character. Much less gregarious I and some other contemporaries of his but this meeting was any less commodity. We still bought into different. The meanest you think sometimes that a little bit carried away because Trubisky isn't because he's not a great Baker Mayfield is all about democracy is all about. We're GONNA roll. We're GonNa win this sense trubisky's not that kind of character. It works against him the. NSA Don't think if you try and be and there's different leadership taught. There's no one way of being a leader of team organization. Whatever is is trying on a find his leadership style and his bind into it? And maybe that's the thing that's taking time is maybe doesn't have his leadership store yet is he is going to be given the time. I'm to actually put that in place and learn is to lead that team. You know she lost and it was a big win. It puts him back in contention. Okay that is a tough division. And they're going to really you have to win the last couple of games and allow coming up so that the packers it's GonNa be really interesting. They've got those two back about weekends against the bears and Vikings you know when they play the non as the other way they look pretty never seen. Aaron Rodgers look so average it was amazing to watch hunts take. The packers missed the playoffs. Seth Ah but the thing is with Russia. If you go to if you compare the two of those if you come down to that game you know that he would deliver to win a basket for clean flip. It is going to be a song. Let's talk about that because you can offer INSCI- most of US mere mortals con. I'm sure the majority of our listeners and viewers watching on Youtube Wilno an Olympic gold medalist right so when when it comes to performing at the highest level and keeping your mind focused irrespective of what's going on around you you The poster boy for that. So what. What advice would you give to trubisky? Who's gone through a difficult season? The media's everywhere slagging him off the fines behind him the parents quite sensitive sensitive about that anyway for it to be believed he's asking for TVs to be turned off in the organization where they might be talking about him and the talking heads everything else. How do you get around that? It's an athlete fleet. I think with the with the sport there in. There's NO ETA hide. I've been Olympia and you pop up for the Olympic Games and you kind of do your job with a spoiler the NFL every every day in the media. You can't avoid it if you have a bad game you live with that for seven days is pretty much held by the sound of it. The problem you've got is once you start asking asking for things not to be a lot that that becomes a way for people to attack you. This is going to to antagonize example. Maybe he needs to sit down with like a mature quarterback Michael Preston to really get to understand about his values and what he's looking to achieve. Jim McMahon in the Pacific coupet could be completely different character or different type of leader. Yeah that can actually speak to him and say Dennis to be like me but what is your leadership how you GonNa lead the team from bid seven six to maybe making the playoffs or right. She keeping your job next year. And if that's motivated keep your job on the warriors. Does he keep his job next. izzy to starting quarterback for the next year. I think it'd be really tough for them to kind of been in now. I don't think I personally I was going to have invested too much invested in name. They've seen some glimpses. Maybe there's some moving parts needs to be better around around him potentially and like anything we we try to work out. What's going on in the locker room and change them and that sort of thing unless you're in all that fly on the wall you don't actually know what's going on is being out to lead the way wants and that's another thing we just assume he's trying to Iman will be given that power to do that so it's always if you're in you'll probably understand a lot more but I just think he needs to work out what his leadership style like and then he can go forward okay so trubisky? We think it's GONNA be in a job next year. Let's talk about people that might be the job next here in the NFL. Three coaches that are on the hottest of hot seats. And that we think going to be out of a GIG by the end of the season Rama Vera. Of course the latest casualty thrown out midseason. which which is always quite a harsh thing I think in can tap a pant said it's so we can take advantage of the situation our competitors and look at his background Hedge Fund Guy? Of course he's always looking at the angles meetings as well. We know we're going to do this. We might do do this now. So we can have an edge on other teams. That could be looking for new head coach and that's quite small. Ron's Ron's been there a long time. He's been very successful. You know they lost cam earlier in the season so that really helped them a bit. Messed light you McCaffrey. Kaffir who is you know what he came to the. NFL is this guy going to be legit and he is phenomenal. It's amazing to watch what that guy can do with Ronald she. I can see what the owners show you sense of him. As a person he wants to be embedded in the team as an alternate doesn't just want to be an owner telling people to do some sure. This didn't come as a rash decision. He's kind of probably four boats. Quite hard and company isn't as we sat and watched Sunni setting. I WANNA I wanted to make mind and there was a lot of discussion. This was going to happen. And there's been a lot of discussion of other coaches for a lot the season either because they see me. Come to the end of the road like Dan Quinn in Atlanta to seems to have disappointed consider dot close to winning super bowl a few years back seems to come to the holy. Tell him he's lost as well. That's the thing is I suppose I've never look over that loss of the Super Bowl. That was there one. Play away from the game being done and then suddenly just flipped on its head and the Patriots just went wild. I don't know how you come back from that because it was there I was at the game and I still whatever it is calm. Believe what I saw. I can't believe what I saw. A I think it was a play when Matt Ryan Got Sacks and the glass field goal range was your one that was a turning point. If it just for the field goal it would have been fine but it with that Moxie that got them there in the first place. Oh It's difficult to criticize. And they lost call Shanahan's at ease laugh seven Kalman's at four hundred nine so there's doc. Few component policy lost haven't been out to replace him as well. That's happened to some degree. The Eagles as well Doug Peterson outside rumblings that he might be gone but probably I believe he'll get at least another year but changing country personnel as a result of successes had an effect so there are a number of coaches bubbling. Under Matt Patricia. We talked about in the show quite recently. It could be could be done off. twosies in Detroit that seemed to be three or four leading the field. If that's not a contradiction nations terms to to be out of a job so a top three number three Doug marrone the Jacksonville. Jaguars marrone has had opportunites. We talk about the Atlanta Falcons. Coming that close to the Super Bowl was only a couple of years ago that they were that close to the Super Bowl of course in the AFC championship game and for a long time. The criticism was on the shoulders of Blake. Bortles right or the was it. The Feeder Blake Bortles. He wasn't good enough. The defense was he was holding the back. They invested heavily in him. That was the wrong move and it feels like they've missed that window. Now the Jacksonville Jacksonville. MARRONE IS GONNA be casualties a result of that. And I think that you miss your wind And you go away and of five to ten years potentially to that comes around again right and I think is probably is time to change for them. They got close. It hasn't gone wealth. Last couple of years is probably time for change the good times change now with marrone in the Jackson's difficult because of the Tom Coughlin aspect to Coughlin there in in an upstairs role. Here's a guy that's won. Two super bowls was by all accounts. Authoritarian no nonsense head coach. And whatever he says about. It's not my team. It's dogs eggs. I'm just ate a guide. I'm just here to be involved. The specter of this one of the most successful coaches in the history of the NFL looming over you. That's gotTa play on your mind as probably really toughest coach when you haven't won anything right. You've got someone as you said sitting above you who has achieved those things those rings giants and everybody has exactly uh-huh that must eat away internally because they all give me look it up and they've done a lot of that the the gold medal uh-huh in the eyeliner somewhat is. This is sort of draw down my look as an athlete. You like feel like kind superheroes and once you become retied you lose your Cape and that sort of stuff you can come Nomo. Fees with builders for example. The gold medal comes. The road is our number three number. Two Pat Shurmur the New New York giants. I think his time has come. It's partly I think he is. The victim move that media market in particular a really underwhelming well-being season. I don't think that surprised. Many people we joke about the fight. I thought might be a sleeper big at least to be more competitive and I think that there are a number of reasons why they haven't been at least he's Saquon. Barkley is being with shadow the player he was asked you and that's everybody. You is a phenomenal talent right. But don't think he's I the opportunity this year to really showcase you know his his skills he was able to share and an appropriate dot. Maybe because he's the focal point of that often mentioned outcomes gone so that that that kind of threats gone so then it just goes on and every knows where it's going basically and that's that's part of the problem and now you're young quarterback that's come in alive manning still hanging around they and it's the same sort of thing about the coach. You've got that you know you've got a callback. Use Plan number two now sitting on the Saudis won two Super Bowl rings on the she knows exactly and it must be really difficult and the Jones Stars while marks because he started so well everyone got carried away the media market all. He's a future. He's now actually like eh rookie quarterback so it's not a knock on him. No He's first season is peaks and troughs in different. And that's what happens. Every kind of jumps on the bandwagon. This is an ex super star and then certain a couple of bad games and confidence is a big thing when you're young athlete because you're trying to make your mark you're trying to establish yourself and the way you do. That is by being consistent confident with your ability once things start to go. Bad is a really tough position. I think to get yourself out of because you looking around for someone to help you and people looking. It used to be the leader. And who do you go to and I think as a young cool but that's probably really tough being Navarre especially in New York you know with a meteoroid is going to be on top twenty four seven them is an attractive Gig. Vote the giants. They're going to be some interesting names in the mix including the number one dollars right now who is surely locked to go unless somehow I mean the only exception here I think is if they make it to the Super Bowl which based on what we saw last night. He's not going to happen. Or they are still improbably in the playoff hunt the Dallas Cowboys Jason Garrett. You look at the comments Jerry. Jones increasingly now is be making tons of severity so earlier in the week. Yeah I'm sure Jason Garrett is going to be coaching the NFL L. Next season okay. I think we're pretty clear that he's gone. I suppose you can save his Gig if the cowboys which they're not gonna do but if they did then you gotta really interested in that because you've got the top of the division which is a terrible division avenue place little always polling you if you can go six seven now the lead in the division is pretty poor and also the talent of God where they are and it's really interesting. You Talk to Alissa the cowboys fans. They don't even want him his coat. Sure they'd Robin Up. Make the playoffs to get rid of him. And that's not good environment to be in an also he's been there quite a long time. I think they've had their windows well to be honest. Don't think it's GonNa be a while before they get back in. Probably two seasons ago they were flying high really exciting for them and often there. Another team has actually lost their window. Jerry Jones I guess would beg to differ and he made a comment a the exact quote in front of common after the game last night against the beds that the tired of losing. And there's no doubt that the players so against joining the dots here and you look at their talent on both sides of the right but you dot Prescott the Kellyanne Amari Cooper governor step in trio there and once you've got those street weapons like that. Nobody that's a good starting point for your team by into and in that as you say in that division which is so vanilla compared to virtually every other division in the NFL debate the West Right. But it's amazing how it goes up peaks and troughs. Isn't it one in year. That could be a really tough division swings the the West is obviously back out there. Now you've got three teams that could potentially make it and you know with the rams can actually tonight the seahawks this weekend later but I'd be interested in but I do think that you know. He's he's had his time the cowboys if they do make the the playoffs they are going to get absolutely pumps and there's no way they're going to go anyway quite whoever doesn't win the NFC west that's quite a big. Oh and destroy the fifth seed will play A. They'll be the seat. Of course the whoever wins the four hundred right. That's a pretty pretty tasty wild card to coaches which is get fired. And that could be quite interesting Jason Garrett could end up in New York of course some rumblings and that was interesting. Always find this musical chairs of coach is it's really interesting and it's in every sport you see them they stay on. It can be the environment can be it can be somebody different faxes. But then they're gonNA get a job somewhere else and you know the the pattern of the way that individual works. Sometimes I think you know is up panic station. We need someone in and I think this is. The panthers are probably done a good thing. They've got time to evaluate right who they're going to bring in. Robin gets in the season a massive panic for new head coach or a big Mac schedule a week. Fourteen preview looking forward to this because you've been dropping smacktalk already. We've got to start with the gave the weekend and there are. There's a crack in light up. There are three games that could quite conceive of being any other week live up to that billing. We'll get into those in a minute but we gotta stop before United States. It is the game of the weekend is one of the Games of the season not least because it could be instrumental in determining dominating the top seeds in the NFC and homefield advantage ultimately as well. It's a New Orleans. The forty nine is as you say came through. A bruising encounter with the Ravens with their heads held high and. It's one of those defeats that they will walk away from obviously disappointed. They didn't win it but ultimately not not too disappointed with everything else about the performance and the saints. Same record have biolog- beat absolutely fine. They weathered the drew brees injury. Teddy stepped in and did his thing. They've had a couple of anomalies. The Falcons game in particular was like a fever dream. I don't know what happened that really close to call but you mark concert. Think it's going to be one sided. Yep Hell if you look at the non as defense. This shear is been phenomenal right forty five sacks this year nick. He is a weapon that I have to say his name. Well Yeah Yeah just because most reverence. 'cause he's massive isn't he is when we took him in the first round. You like one of these guys can live up to. Because he didn't play last year was going to happen happen. He's phenomenal with a minute. Soak Yeah and the thing is what we've been able to do now. You've got punk. You've got four. You've all these key components that can that she get out the quarterback while we were struggling last year. And I just think that defensive front lies can be so powerful and I think brees is going to struggle and Camara was gonNA struggle to get free. He's got to go to get round them off. See once you do that. The troops are going to be there. So it's going to be really interesting. Also the non. As haven't you think I think it's about one hundred two hundred and eighty three points allowed this year. You know. I don't think is going to be high scoring game from the saints. I just hope Jimmy G. and the offense can live up to what they did last weekend and keep progressing and he doesn't get flustered like he did against the seahawks guessing. We mentioned that Atlanta game. That is the kind of gave. The forty nine is going to be high before it's too absolutely absolutely disrupt the line in the same way but offensively. That's what I wanted to talk to you about more on the forty-nine inside so the return of kindle so instrumental not just in terms of productivity activity blocking the run game right a brilliant around player and using elite player. Whatever team you are that is going to be An issue but I think in particular with this offense and kittles role in so many different ways in the offense it's fundamental for them to chime so great that he's back in business business. Where are you on Garoppolo because talkative for united's fans there seems to be two schools of thought? One group increasingly vocal title and Sizable Group. Saying yet Garoppolo is the guy. He's still relatively young. I've got no concerns with him in this particular incarnation the united such a great defensive weapons around him that he's good enough with water margin to get us to the Super Bowl. There's another group that is saying. I'm not sure that he is. He's got composure. He's got the the all-round collective smarts and ability fine rollers two four t record. Who'd in a regular season but when you're in a championship game against the packers against the saints? Maybe the Vikings as well is Garoppolo. The guy that two minute drill can take to the promise land. I think we all know that we see it there soon. We're we're kind of surmise. And what could or couldn't happen with him. I do think he's good enough to lead us. I've seen enough enough not consistently. Yeah I've seen enough. That makes me think. Yeah this guy can do it when it matters the the only thing I've seen this year where he looked at it flushes when we played the seahawks wchs and I was like well. That's a game when you need to be on your metal because the rivalry an important game the line you're live quite banged up in that game quite banged up and the enemies and we we lost their offerings. Didn't deliver the SEAHAWKS. Weren't that great offensively themselves. But we gave themselves could fill position. The Magician Russell. Wilson did not do much to kind of get the points they needed needed so I mean he's a great comparison and ultimately an unfair one. You know when you compare Garoppolo Kirk cousins to Russell. Wilson is no contest the only other quarterback while the only other two quarterbacks and say the NFC oversee breese but questions have declined. We'll get into that in a minute and rushes of course as well but you can't. It's not freezing. I think to compare quarterbacks of the level of Garoppolo because with Wilson and say well. We're GonNa win the championship. Because we have Wilson but is the question of whether there's enough else around it around Garoppolo an entire tally. Given the fact you're holding teamster seventeen twenty one fourteen points that there is enough to get to the playoffs but the deep run in the playoffs. A I think he is. He is called by the Kentucky. Not just because of his capabilities but also with the most amount of CAL Shanahan behind him he will allow him to be play better than is just with the moss a mind plays you can kind of sum up. Is You know you every week. You're looking for water. GonNa they come up with this week. And that's why I enjoy watching them. Because he's such a mastermind The way that he plays the game and it's quite exciting. Obviously Jimmy is not aw Russell. Wilson is completely different type of quarterback in without Wilson. The seahawks will be nothing about. Everybody knows that it's not difficult onto realize but I think with a weapons that Jimmy Johns got around him and you watch most last weekend. I think that's the thing that they're playing to. Whoever is that point of Tong absolutely office? That's really important. There's NO EGOS I. It needs to be me out there doing this. It's the Bellichik in mcdaniels patriots. Thing appears out of nowhere. They picked up off the practice squad. Free Agency just off the sidewalk and you have sunny runs one hundred. Yeah but you don't. WHO's this guy? Come up nowhere. And they're they're rolling. What about the Sherman Michael Thomas Match? That's going to be pretty key isn't it. Yeah I think that's one wherever. He's looking forward to that. Margaret is phenomenal. Basically he's brilliant. You Watch. It's impossible to kind of best receiver in the League beating. Yeah Yea yea I definitely think he is and there are some great of receivers level watching Hopkins by DC. Thomas will be size and power. Why is pretty phenomenal? When I think Sherman that that battle this weekend is going to be really excited and Shamans play well? He hasn't put really a foot wrong. He made a couple of bad mistakes couple weeks loss of penalties policy. Difference Botham that. He's kind of squeaky clean and he is that leader. The those young guys to just elevate themselves as very early is such an important. It's a real balance. There is no in the locker above that type of experience and coming through as well. He's one I'm trying to that. Your company's it's a little bit the saints haven't allowed one hundred Russia one hundred plus thirty four straight games the longest active streak in the NFL on that runs about. So how big a victory token it in your knees. Let's rewind the saints have a tame over five hundred since week three. So you know the battery. Nice run loss to the Falcons which they shouldn't have. If we catch you on a game like that which we will stay rolling breeze regressing the talk of a number of quarterbacks of that generation oversee Eli is done now wrote his bags out for the season rivers. People the saying my finally comes into the right of inevitably a gun on about Brady. The same thing. What about brees? Well I think what you have. Is You get an age as an athlete. You'll bounce ability to come back back. It just takes longer. You're wear and tear recovery all those things and those guys they won't perform every week they'll get off of the big game and I think you're GonNa see that Brady against this weekend and maybe this is a weak in that breeze really steps up because but it depends how early on and this is really interesting because tough game last weekend right whether they play it did the week off the played the seahawks where the came out in the first quarter and it was a wall this different team and then they go and if this thanks can get off to an early start on the pressure lot that that'd be an interesting dynamic in on his can keep them under wraps recount of recovering from the game they just had then we will literally just steamrolled This is what I think will happen. The former of which I think the saints are GonNa Come Out of the blocks tearing and I think is going to be not unassailable lead. I think equality. I think it's a close gets the saints cakewalk at either but I think the saints are going to digest enough. So I'm picking the saints. Obviously picking the forty nine ers are going to be where the jump all you want your good Bethany this weekend. Would let's get cheese patriots. which is like I said before again in pretty much any other week would be the game of the weekend I- significant once again? It's course in terms of the the playoff race. Perhaps not as we may be expected the start of the season the chiefs eight and four and their reasons. I think for that record not least of course by injuries the Patriots Ten and two there had one of the easiest shedules in the NFL. And this is the one of the criticisms being applied to New England at the moment is that we don't really know how good they are because them played many teams that are good and when they have they haven't played particularly well and of course the same old criticisms coming once again mark we. We saw this last season around this time. Some of the season last season Webb off the Miami game and the steelers game the Patriots be written once again after the. Start the season as well. This is not the that it's all falling off the tracks. They're saying the same thing again about new. England is the setup for a textbook ballot. Check sucker punch just to say all right quite not now particularly because this chiefs defense is so fallible. Yes it is I think this is you know we haven't received Brady due Matsushita. Because he hasn't had to defensive taking care of games for them pretty much and I think the defense hasn't mattered that he hasn't exactly he hasn't had that comes back to him. Paying it doesn't need to play lights every week but this is another big game and this is the time that the village I can brady will be in Costo from each other mass planet. How automate the chiefs down? And I do think they will light up this weekend. And if they don't then I would say there is a worry if they can't do this weekend because this is the big game because the bill was sir the hills now they really need to keep homefield advantage. If they're going to keep on this ron and go back to super again I think if the Patriots up gone away from home than that I don't think they'll be able to achieve that in the playoffs but this is the game that we determined whether is the air is come to an end as well. Look at this one. I guess particularly how they play in other words. If it's a shootout they had lost season and the Patriots are on the wrong side of it. This time I think quite the opposite. I think the offense can really kick start. Start in this game. Even if they lose it in a strange way that will quiet down the skeptics with even doing the fan base as well of which there are quite a few finds that vocally concerned about how the offense is misfiring and the stotts you go to those and pay some attention to them right so brady has has a passer rating lower than one hundred in seven consecutive games. He's never had a streak like that in his career. I guess the flip side of this and we see this literally literally see it when Brady is shaking. Had because it's been mistime buys receive or things just aren't gelling we've seen it for years with Brady and his mistrust of receivers that ought completely on point with what they're trying to do. Of course you set sets the highest standards of pretty much player ever right but we sing it right now with receiving cool because Harry is still young and brand new to this offense Moana is brand new to this offense. A mentioned on the Monday show Brady Brady but Greg Brady. That is but if those to start to chime in rhythm it's a completely different and that's what I'm looking for this weekend person. I know what she's game whether those connections started actually shape up and say place yet and if they cannot change dynamic of this offense completely Adam and will be the go-to Guy all the time that the safety net but if the two can start deliver what they believe capable of than that. Change the dynamic of this offense produce in the run game for the Patriots this weekend is going to be the thing that steamrolls over the chiefs and I think that they set that up then that will give them the time. The patients wants to be out to pick off the receivers they want. And then that's when this could end up being the Patriots you know kind of rolling the chiefs. I couldn't agree more. I think that is where I think the Patriots will win the scaling thing. Whether we're nothing establish the grand game and I think that is more than plausible to imagine given the fact that it's playing relatively well anyway and against cheese run. The is fallible and I think with that with that established dot is where Brady can have that time in that expansive responsive approach to be able to make not forced to be able to who the right shots when he needs to and just fail this offense with confidence and pick the chiefs apart. And that's what he does and that's why you do watch him you have to do this. Study's been able to do in the way that he can turn around from the first the first first off against the second often literally. He's summed up the defense and what they're doing and then literally just pick people up and that's why I think you would do this weekend. And also the the chiefs don't really have their games from pretty spotty themselves as being consistent and I think this defense will get out there and then that makes mahomes go to the air. And that's what I think. I think the defense will love that opportunity to try and get some picks this weekend. Yeah Look at what rank twenty four th the chiefs rushing offenses. Well what about mahomes homes against this brilliant doing the secondary. How do you see that going? Then Lama mahomes is. I hate to say as a phenomenal talent. Obviously we will know that. But I think when you've got a mastermind bill check and the defense of the Patriots when it comes to a game like this. They probably fry having a young quarterback and trying to sum them up and take him down. And I think it's going to be an interesting battle this weekend when he does go to the air whether it's successful he likes playing against doing. I know you've got to take all of these historical records of the pinch of salt because two stronger or lesser degree. It's different teams out that but mahomes his pasta six hundred forty seven yards in two games against doing so. That's over three hundred yards a game. Love the speed of my master seven touchdowns two picks his passer rating hundred thirteen eighteen point two now the ridiculous shootout offseason that that are they PAPS has accentuated. Does that's a little bit but one of the things I think that was. It's really apparent when you mahomes is going to be a great quarterback mister very good quarterback was the fact. He wasn't fazed at all by the task in front of him and there is that to be said again here that even if the Patriots do take control of the game early on my Holmes isn't GonNa Capitulate in crumble a quite the opposite. He'll come out swinging Stephanie. Only Gonna I think he doesn't get flustered by things not going to plan on making mistakes and that sort of thing but he hasn't been injured before the season so I think that may have a different dynamic. Tweet game going into this weekend. That he hasn't had a clear ronn been healthy. And you know little Nigga skin hit sore things and I'm sure the Patriots WanNa get him mm-hmm because the more they can basically the more challenging and the mall containers. Well I mean but also then if you start getting banged up those internal questions dialogue I love yourself. saw that that could take place where he's he's got a really clear run health wise up until this season so you'll pick in the patriots. I'm guessing I think. Yeah this is the game in the Patriots. Will we'll tournament. I think it'd be it'd be the defense and then the run game that will allow Brady to open. Put him up so at the time. Recording this on a Friday pages do not have a kick Sunday perceived. Maybe Brady you just tell them. Anything would be amazing. Matthew slater will probably kick forty four yard field goal So Oh yeah well. I'm picking Patriots too. I think is is one of those games. I would not be surprised if we were sitting here. What apple each other at around midnight on Sunday after thirty four to six chiefs blow out so a kid? I feel wholly confident about it but I think got to pick the game for the arguments put forward. I think a more inclined to the Patriots. Get A win statement win that they need to shot the haters up a little bit. I think it's really important. And they. They take control early on. We saw the raiders last weekend at the chiefs. Get out yet. They dominates GONNA catch him. They play but if you can contain them in the first off then game basically really good really good point all right next up some some crack games. Let's say let's move onto the ravens bills and you think that this could be upset. I think this is game of the week I really do like you. Had the ravens played the toughest season seasoning non. As last week. You know that was a real gut bus of both teams. They haven't had a game this season. They haven't really had to go to someone and gather trenches and I'm Wayne the last couple of seconds that sort of thing. The bill was actually played on Thanksgiving. They steamrolled the cowboys you know. They didn't give to stop when they go role. And it was really impressive and extra arrest X.. Arrest you know being at home. I just think will more about the ravens this weekend. Are we do. I think this will really pretty understand how good they are. And can they play those two games back to back weekends. It's in Buffalo Of course and we know how how improve this buffet. Defense his being and being strong for the season by getting stronger and stronger and really well coached side. I I mean across the Board Josh Allen Understand is the quarterback is the focal point and he's still an enigmatic figure. I think in terms of starting quarterbacks I talk in the NFL let alone starting to contending teams. There is no doubt. He's an unbelievable athlete. And what he's able to do on the ground. One of the best runners Russia quarterbacks we've probably ever seen in the NFL and can can absolutely deliver on that. Is there enough balancing his game. That's going to be the big the question on the weekend isn't it. Can he overcome this ravens defense. which is pretty impressive? Whether it's on the season and where they are. It's one of those games to me. That's why it's game of the week because it's so unknown. What come of this big match up and I do anything Josh Allen? What I saw against the cowboys? The cow was great but he made me think yeah. This guy's legit. This is the key. He looked strong there. But you've got to put the Asterix against ends the cowboys different thing together in this game but this is exactly the kind of matchup. Say The got so much writing on it so much attention on it and Buffalo. Let's face it. Not Fashionable full franchise. They often do not get this kind of focus even though there are one of the top season the SE. At that moment. I was really talking about a massive interest in this game. If they win this game. It totally the flipped seasons last week. Him The niners lost. They've gone down from. I am S. That's exciting par. This season isn't that you're thinking about okay. Your team can have home percentage one slip and boom you know okay. That's kind of come to an end now. So thanks so I just the extra rest you know the way the bill was applying and the defense is really excited to watch defense. You really enjoy watching. And I just sent this game where they can contain Lamar Jackson him and he doesn't hundred yards this weekend. It'd be interest. The the Ravens overcoming yet get stop keep keep you in check a course. What about Ingraham in the rest of the ground Emma's how Buffalo D. which is what as we said one of the top five defense in the NFL right now? How do you see that much going is? That's what's got somebody. Weapons with Lamar Jackson and mark. Ingram Mark Ingram is your is like a tank. Is You know you can't stop him because he wants to go. And he's not gonNA come down to easily offended what they played really well last weekend weekend against the niners the way those two really on the same page the game they really kind of dominated it every time they go the boy in the hands of some of the bills d. one of them Karma who so apologies with saying they will watching where the Niners d were playing the Ravens and they great. That's that gives us confidence. The way that they relatively speaking could contain the ravens. The bills felt confident. About watching that blueprint because there are so many similarities. Exactly and that's that's a benefit plan. The week has risen that you've seen a good defense against them and really held them then. He's twenty points which go three points in the second half as a blueprint to follow. They've gone by think if they can somehow take Jackson the game so we comp is versatile get outside then I think he goes to the mass. When the bills I think will be a couple of picks this weekend? Yeah looking at the start to got. Ingram's uh-huh pushing a thousand yards. Now go said woods pushing five hundred. Obviously Jackson over thousand I mean keeping them in check. It's completely impossible keeping you in check enough to force Lamar Jackson going back to my point earlier on about establishing the Ron so they can dominating dominating Lamar Jackson field if it isn't that click hot established and Lamar Jackson. hoster look and Roman after they they have to look at alternatives. Up against these bills did not bill secondary I think then it becomes a very different game. That's exciting policies if they can contain nine same so we can't do any running basically because once you know once they get that going. It radio opens up the field for him and there was a lot of opportunities last weekend which she don't WanNa see the allow allow him this weekend. We had time in the pocket and he had loss of time. It was. This is ridiculous. Someone get at him if they can contain that and stop that then you is very okay. Good away does. The problem is the way that runs. He's going to get hurt some point. You can see that but that's the problem because everything's so centralized around him. If he goes down you can just see the season just disappear and very quickly. The Mall Jackson has more offensive touchdowns than twenty one. NFL teams including the bills in an Giang. He keeps talking about this man. This is it this. Is he a centralized piece of the puzzle to the whole thing which is great. If a person goes down low is actually Orient. I love the bills that team. I really do love when there was talk of years. Backer the bills maybe Abi being one of those teams that relocated hated idea. They are such hardcore football. Fan Base huge affection for the franchise. Jim Kelly one of my favorite players of all title of course in the Association. They're often they're buddies going to second team. Yeah if you watched in an era when they went to four super bowls most you just felt so sorry for that but it was thought. I thought this is a horrific. Maybe it's a generational thing that yeah that's exactly why he also seeing them come back doing this. It's actually it's exciting to see. And they got a great right young head coach there on fashionable getting all this media attention. All of these reasons make me want to win the business they are an imaginatively end up being the number one seed our bills. Nothing would make me happy but they beat the Ravens this weekend. I think Baltimore Oh I think they will put up a fight buffalo but I think that Ah Baltimore. D. Will Keep Josh Allen in checking off. I think they're Rushdie the Baltimore Rusty's ever talked about good. That is an again. They're gonNA totally contain Josh Allen. But they'll do enough to put him on the back for. I think that the game plan that. The bills need to apply defensively to the Ravens. The Ravens d would apply more effectively against the bills office. And that's why I think they win. It comes down to the first half the bills can get in front that changes dynamic Emiko game if the ravens off to a fast start ten for nothing by this move very odd scumbags picking bills the upset yeah. I think it could be the bills. Was this weekend. I like a feeling the guy on there. And they're on a roll and this weekend is a much brave a picnic by Bob taking taking the rape. It's on the word I'm looking forward to. It caught pick any of those three games ready. You know each of them I would happily sit and watch as so would seahawks rams as well which has suddenly become super exciting. I mean what are we can so the rams of the back of that shellacking of the cardinals when they needed it. I mean if they if if that they lost that game or even if they eat away and I think this would be a very different proposition. But now there's a huge amount of buzz about the rams again. The playoff race is looking super tough. Because they're in in the west the damned by being in the West to get a wild card and that is a very tall order in the NFC if they're gonNA get a while they got to win this game it's in La of course make what you will have home. Field advantage. Certainly a lesser feel the many of the sudden it was the reverse fixture playing in front of the twelve nine in Seattle. So have they turn the corner in your mind. The rams have told God he's starting to move over one hundred scrimmage yards again all they getting it together just the right time you before we came into the studio about about timing. You're running in the NFL. And maybe the rams that's what the day after a hot and cold two-thirds of the season maybe that win against the cardinals but knowles everything started to gel much like looked like law season. 'cause called knows on on a great team right now so that they steamrolled them and that's great this week thought. The cardinals might upset. Take a point that not intended. But they're dangerous. They were dangerous but just just two different tiers or legal team plan last weekend. The cardinals of add some good games games this season. But it's not being consistent enough and Herod away about the cardinals and the rams go off to a good start and then I just steamrolled them talk girly so important in this game yet like we talk about the importance of him when they regard laughing the forum one hundred dollars that is crucial to to them China. The seahawks crucial. If he doesn't turn out which he hasn't done it most of the season to be honest he's not being great this year. He doesn't turn up. They're gonNA find it re- toughest we can and the the seahawks won five in a row. They're on a roll winning games by small margins. That has to come to an end. Some point you can't go the whole season then Just constantly happening I think and also if the rams went to keep their playoff hopes alive as you mentioned they need to win this one otherwise if they go to seven and six fix this weekend you pretty much would say the seasons probably done so this is really crucial because an anonymous as well. So they've got two tough games. Division Games James that they need to win in. This is the one they could win. But the problem is you got Russell Wilson the other side and that's the problem. The Rams is the way to play well against the SEAHAWKS. So that's going to be an interesting one as well and they are at home as you mentioned. I'M GONNA go the rams the rams 'cause I really WanNa go to. The Rams Got Sandwich seahawks are going to win this but for the division. Satan's or see I want the rams to win. There's been a lot of money in Vegas this a lot of money on the rams during the course of the week so it went the line dropped quite significantly from. I think it was three two and a half points to to pick him law of shot. Money's assay coming in on the rams which is always interesting now whether you read that is the line and what the the professional gamblers are looking at versus. The out and out money line win is one thing but it's certainly a lot close this. This would have been a week ago right if if we'd be looking at this game ahead of the cardinals game. Yeah he's done. It wouldn't even be able to mature as a game to watch out now for the week. You'll be done but after last weekend. The trying to creep back into contention goes to the playoffs. This do or die if they don't win this weekend on this. Done this over with the sea. Hawks and many people are making a big point about the narrow. Nisa their victories. And saying actually when you look at it and it's a little bit like statistically when you see teams that had a disproportionately high number turnovers and reliance on that that in the end things is level out and the point being that the seahawks are perhaps not as good as their record suggests for that reason that the Games they've been in being super closed down the NFL find margins kid could have gone the other way and the Russell which you alluded to earlier which is obviously exceptional but to the degree see that he can paper over the cracks. Almost single handedly literally from Plato play. He plays it a breaking down. He can revive with his improvisation Shen and his mobility and his around gaming but also during the course of a game that an offense might not be in any kind of particular group. But you just Hong Stop Russell Wilson Making plays and people are saying those two reasons in particular why they're not buying the seahawks legitimate contenders gather because he's a magician costume magician. You can never count play down until the boys actually hit the floor. Literally until until he's dead he'll always conjure up something to get them out of a whole And there's only so many games season surely you can carry a strong from defense. The Rams Aren't really they send you have the playmakers on it. Maybe not that elite level so he might roll it out again. I I'm with you. I think the rams get the win. A think is not inconceivable that they could put a run together sneak in the back door of the playoffs. But I certainly think that win. Last week has given offensively them confidence if they can if girl the big question about whether this is down to him in his productivity diminishing because of injury because aware and tat whether it has been scheming and the way that they've been using the problems on the offensive line. Which we've we've talked about on the show? We'll we'll find out a lot more than a couple of weeks on that front and that's what he so critical to them. When in this game life? He's on mm song can make these go they hits under yours plus the rams when I'm with you on that alright. Let's go to the titans rate is next titans me. It's not content before we came in studio the titans of your sneaky momentum pick for a decent player front. Yeah you talk about being hall the right time. This looks like a team is coming for the right time at the right time. WanNa point out. It's just holding his coffee. That's why his hands on the radiator on giving the studio but yeah and that's what you want. Isn't it life. You've you tell the ravens everyone's been gone for a long time. That's hard to stay consistent right long. So that comes comes to an end at some point with the titans. Run is come in and what he's done with Derrick Henry. It's just been brilliant to watch and I think they are a very right dangerous team right now. Henry is terrified. If you're a defense trying to stop Derrick Henry I how good your personnel is. How how much of a wily dog you have is your coordinated? Derrick Henry Right. Now is almost unstoppable Dane. That's the running back in the playoffs mark. Also they've got a couple of weeks you'll pay the Texans twice. Yeah so they could go from being number two number one in the division which would be out the Texas in the colts that they team you think a most likely to win the south. Yeah just come in from another Texans that good win against Patriots Patriots which was great just not at the time. It just seemed like the team that Skin Hall of the right moment in time to go on this run into the playoffs. Tannahill one hundred plus passer rating in five of six starts this season. He's turnround this offense and Derrick Henry leading the NFL in rushing yards off to contact couldn't approachable focus. He's the ODI running back to average four more yards after contact par rush this season while and that's as a defense he we know that just getting one person is not going to be enough. You're going to need the army. Thank you Bob. Ross is GonNa keep going and as an offense going into a game. The panel rate is a week. And they're going to steamroll. The rate is the thing. I after watching the raiders lost weekend. That's gone topsy turvy. Season as Grayson's route through the other. So you'll picking the titans that as well. I think it's okay. Let's row through the other games. Give us your pick and why you think that team is going to win. Starting where the dolphins at the jets call wait for this one really go talk about that guy we ah it could be saving grace this game. I think it could be a bit of a shootout. It could be a shoe Jennifer. Two coaches truncated. Their jobs is it the Laura is he's okay because he's not least because there were no expectation they won three games right and fitting last week. I think not cemented it with the win over the eagles but also so just ahead play of the way exactly dialing we talk about Russell. Wilson Meeting Magician floors just mixing it up so at least entertaining with fits. It's and there are decent watch gaze is interesting because of course they set earlier in the season. He's fine he's fine. The votes of confidence comes back to the media. You're in New York doesn't it right. You know the jets. They've had no success for long long long time and looking across seeing the giants. That's not great themselves now now but they've had some success. That's it lost bengals marketing. Even your can you picking dolphins for the road win. Yeah uh-huh because go to pick my friends you know one crazy play. We're GONNA get this week. I want to see the two thousand eight season in one game. Just that's what I I WANNA see. Colts speaking of the AFC south call to the bucks an intriguing game the bucks again. Not mathematically elbowed now dropping or that's they want us we didn't they beat the jags best fine so they're pretty much done the culture six and six so right in the mix there need this. We need it more than the bucks to but it's in Tampa Bay and we know the bucks can lay down and put points up. Yeah just Winston GonNa for a few picks. That's the problem. Isn't it deleting. The League is so so when it comes to guns to the a Oh my God you know. He's going to make mistakes so I would go the coach on this one definitely or worried about Jacoby percents decline. Okay coast defense was sort this out for the road win taking the bucks big bucks Just because I think they out out slinging about home I think again. Another shootout redskins at the pack is surely despite Redskins win last week in the panthers. They can't do it again. Can they know. That's what we need to say about the dough. Both in this is really important because the pack is it got some big games coming up against the Vikings says and this opportunity I think that for the packers have some fun. Yes weekend before. Ready to get serious right. We'll just get into a twenty four point lead. Rest him up. Okay bengals the Browns who this is. This is two coaches. You may not be enrolled. Kitchens is. This is kind of roles reverse you you know. The browns used to be the laughing stock of the League being zero and whatever now the bengals a one and eleven so of after the wind last weekend end. It's been really interesting because I've got a door beckoning my fantasy team and he's been apps like totally useless story that came out the NFL dot com reporting it earlier on this week. That Beckham's feature isn't his fault from Security Cleveland. It's difficult you read. These based on these ambiguous figures comments that he made to the pressing. You know who knows what the future holds but you hear place at that time that I guess the perceived wisdom is that means. He's definitely looking for this to beat saying who knows what the future holds but starting not hasn't gone to plan. I think it's definitely not obviously. When they came into the season they had massive hype? Plans Sightings Verdicts I. It's been another disappointing season base. Make your lowest quarterback rating in the. NFL has the biggest ego. uh-huh someone tweeted the other day. So Gosh again. Apologies For an rhetoric dig out. We'll push it out and give props everyone's social media channels had a picture Baker Mayfield oppressor and said I think this guy might have stolen car. Radio she said the decline of field throughout the season these are. These is very odd stuff going on Cleveland but I think they get the with the browns win this weekend. Yeah let's say six and seven they can still do it by God if the Browns were the super bowl. That will be the best America's game in the history of medicine if you put on now for them to win at some point Harry all right. We got to find out what we go in the in the money box. We're not what are we looking at four four six all right not that. We're advocating putting money on the brother up. Yeah Yeah crystal-clear panthers the Falcons Rum Vera Poor. I'm over the the manner in which he left the building that was really classy watching some stuff on twitter this week and it was his exit from the building and it was a real you normally when someone gets fired. It's quite quite nasty. Twenty minutes to leave. Get Out. Get your box. Get yourself out of the building where he actually not as a staff the players. It was up to this as farewells. And thank yous and odd never seen a lot of a coach leave an organization and he was just grateful he was young athletes. You see so most potential and that was just pure class and I just. I was really impressed with that. Rooting press without basically is a close eye. He'll bounce back into another GIG for sure. The panthers have to move on again this. He's in his Dan so the foul concerts kind of meaningless game. In in that respect. I suppose Dan Quinn coached could be an all top three that on the hot seat you probably GONNA go But a lot will depend on the next couple of weeks. I think there are certain countries that can save their job if they show enough. That team shows enough over the next few weeks and that's kind on of rallying isn't a team ready with you. You can pull yourselves up a big hole for me. This depends on columnists we kept which one turns up if he turns up. And he's he's on Song. We've seen a few games this year than I think the panthers will win this one and also sometimes when you have your head. Coach leave dynamic shifting coach coacher new lease of life. All those things. You never know what you're GonNa get this weekend with a coach kind of disappear from the team so I'll actually go the panthers. This weekend path is on the road. Yeah I'd do it for the skipper will charge the jags two four eight teams Hallelujah Conway for this. Yeah this it's GonNa be one of the witnesses move on with absolute that I think we that takes that takes just two steelers cards steelers right in the playoff mix of course. which is it amazes me that they are because of quietly and kept themselves in the even though it is based on the defense hold them together pretty much? That's what it looks to me pretty much. Yeah as Kalsa Angle. No Wednesday showed Mike Tomlin in running for coach of the year. which is you you know because I've always looked at the last couple of seasons have had all these weapons and they haven't achieved that you know? is He really as good as I think he is. But I suppose when you get to the flip side of what that with this year you see how good is nothing is really kind of. It's been pretty impressive. What they've done with what little yeah absolutely caught has been yes well at a D. Juju didn't practice on Wednesday? Khanna debate was limited. So keep an eye on a boat for those two. I will take the steelers win on on the road. They need more. Yeah maybe this is if I can go you on the state as fighter. One Giants Eagles taken all different dimension of course with that Cowboys Eagles suddenly thing. We're back in it again. Five and seven we could win eight eight might take the stress but they go to get past their old foes. It's in Philly philly anyway. The giants upset the apple notions the giants. I think they're just they're just trying to cruise to get it done now. They just WANNA be. They want to give the season a tossing. The Eagles will will definitely win. This one I agree I think he goes for the win and that is a clean sweet. Lock cracking a fine debut may also also really enjoyed it. Thanks so much and it was just to catch is the catch deco way into a West Ham now log hunter. We'll be back and count on that and the latest graduates from really really good catch up with him as being too long. We're back tomorrow Saturday. That is with our daily fantasy honestly share remember the fantasy. Patty Power League is fantasy. DOTTY POWER DOT com slash league forward slash NAT comes show three to enter tournament. Lots and lots of cash cash prizes get involved back Monday reviewing all the action for the weekend dickey Bombini. We'll see you then Piper now yeah.

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(Episode 153) "The Breakfast Club" Actor: John Kapelos.

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(Episode 153) "The Breakfast Club" Actor: John Kapelos.

"I'm trying to make a serious point here crime and teaching for twenty two years at each year these kids you think about this when you get all these kids when I get old they're going to be running the country fluency To be honest is is in terms of my ability to speak is a legal illegal very little I gotta say now this is the thought that wakes me up in the middle of the night that when I get older these kids take care eighteen ninety six I went back to school because I was the youngest of three and my brother and sister were very good students and they went to Greek school whichever more and more arrogant push it man come on vern kids haven't changed you have you took a teaching position these kids turned on me I think I'm a big fucking joke come accuse US I give the illusion of being fluent in it I probably understand it more than I can speak it after my mom died in this is Verne if you're sixteen what would you think of you Carl you think I give one rat's ass what these kids think of me I do because you thought it'd be fun right that could have summer vacations and then you find out it was actually work at really bummed you out I could go on and on and I'm sure he's heard it a million times before please welcome be wonderful John Capitalist John How he's treating you today life is treating me well as you know all cinema walks of life cinema I got to tell you the kindness of Canadians cannot be undersold it is just through the roof well you know my next guest is an absolutely acting legend he's been some of the best comedies in history they include sixteen candles weird science the breakfast club and and better to be speaking with you very sweet of you so I have to say I'm GonNa tell you right now I've interviewed people from all walks of life in in the movie field and the cinema a good Greek kid did on Saturdays and I was very rebellious and didn't WanNa go so I studied it you know I can I can actually say read it but if you can read it I mean that's to me that's because I'm like that with Polish I can understand it I could somewhat speaking I certainly can't read it so it's kind of like I have things backwards from you so there's there's definitely a lot of truth in that and I'm proud of who I am and where I've come from some and I know you're you are fluent in Greek and my right of that how everything inside a lot of other Yada where a person like myself got an opportunity to actually work and get paid hi it's an amazing bio central secondary school of very impressive second city you know who do you credit I mean as a cop and I'm I really think that a lot of people go to second city not knowing what they're going to get or being told by friends you gotTa do it you WanNa be when you were young now as a kid I wanted to be John Lennon don't be goof advantage so I think it's just a place where people get to work and then if you're in your twenties and a- As I was and focused on you know getting ahead it's really competitive and it can be really the downside what about second city it's alums that that makes it so very special well I think as my dear late father would have said when when I told him I wanted to be an actor said we'll just get a job and honestly it's one of the few places without theater school and absolutely honestly the best policy screw that but the fact of the matter is you know every second city company is different you know they paid you and yeah you gotta get in and you've got an audition and now it's a hell of a lot more complex than it was when is it John what is it that kind of you feel because I was looking at second city and I've had guests that have either been in second city or do name the fact that it it's an institution now you know now it's even more of a revered institution but it was pretty damn revered institution when I was there sure was they can play a waiter and a bartender but you know asked me to do either one of those things and I actually think it's Kinda Kinda simple in that it's nice started in nineteen seventy eight but in terms of this sort of structure of workshops and all that but also there's you know what's in a name humbling myself and actually lowering my status in a way that I I started learning in realizing the value of listening as well second city is that can be a lot of people there that don't want you to get ahead so you really have a microcosm of what show businesses like the competitor the arrogant and I learned a very simple thing after maybe a year year and a half maybe less maybe eight twelve months into it doubt relatively soon which is great because a lot of people never find out you know in in your profession so that must have been a little bit of a struggle because you're gonna cut throat the most funny people in the world stage they can be pretty messed up in actual fact and I count myself in the group I don't I don't look at Scans and because you know I learned a lot when I was there and when I started out I was a bit of a jerk and yeah I think if you were stuck in Greece I think you can talk your way through the country I think yeah if not I could just stipulate my way through the country so I'm looking at and because the name brings them in and then you've got to do the rest I mean every company including mine second city was saying well they're not as good as the last year they're not as good as while twelve months is a year but I learned that I stood start treating people the way I want to be treated which is kind of the old golden rule right the second city where does the prestige come from why is it so highly looked at people will get it in high regard they they fought over at what I show I saw or they're not as good as Alan Arkin Barbara Harrison you know Mike Nichols Elaine name but you know chuck that it can I use language absolutely the competition and the competitiveness is strong and sometimes the The vibe can be pretty weird because people in comedy aren't off the Sir you're working on a level like a you know to survive on stage you know you know God bless the audience was frankly disappointed I think as much as they were thrilled to seem initially because he didn't work with any of us because as much as he came out of because my dad said I don't want to be a waiter bartender neither did I wanna become those things and actual fact on the world's worst waiter in the world's worst bartender and and maybe a different to training groundlings wherever he didn't have the same sort of group dynamic vibe and you know maybe it's because he was also Robin L. as you know just observing that's when I got better than work with people is under study in this and that and people would come up to me names that he felt like he couldn't depend on anybody else but the best actors I worked with the second city even the guys guested with us at the end of it if you don't come to some wise conclusions about the nature of the business why then then I think you're an idiot and that's why when William Soul but he came to improvise with us one night and we were also disappointed because he just turned out to the audience and did his Robin Williams thing in the audience you know alums always kept an eye out for you and I think when you go through that meat grinding process imagine that's a that's a tough predicament to be job because you're gonNA feel debt it's kind of cutthroat to a point and then you have to be a good human being which it sounds like you strong even at the age of twenty twenty one twenty two like I can do this on my own who do I need and acting I was read a couple books about acting professionally that you've really got it right and and the minute I started working with people on an honest level where I was not thinking to myself God's gift to comedy and started in a way that is that a fair kind of look at it I think it's an excellent way of looking at it in the faculty matter is as I said it was a microcosm so you're going to be able that are going to be competitive not like you is you have to find you have to be a sounds like to connect with people as a human being with kindness and respect so it's kind of like you're in two worlds at that point but also you have to try to find line because eventually you have to work with people and I think what it really did for me is in my twenties I was pretty you let them you know you have to work with other actors and remember asking John Candy Lake Great Guy Who's a mentor I said when when when a strike out on your own and being an individual but what second city forced me to do was being accompanied with other actors and once everybody came to that realization right it seasons you to a point of of like realizing first of all that you know there are other people that that'll make you better if anyway and or they're going to be people that are going to be competitive that start to like you and they're going to be all sorts of shades in between there from one extreme to the other but it's very good in that way another new and and you know that's why the best leaders and the best people in any business don't get threatened when they hire ext agents say just John I heard you a real asshole but you really get to work and I say well you just don't tell too many people the other thing is that I learned how to write and I learned from my directors particularly burning well who excel in the business have a really healthy view of themselves and when I was in cubs line know when to leave second city and he said to me when you're the best person on the stage as you always gotta go somewhere else where somebody 'cause I feel you have but is there something you've learned I mean that stage or second city you're training or experienced maybe it is experienced that in sort of a work through the terrain company and then you look at your cohort and say well I need you and you need me of not just on a professional later whether it's second city are working legitimate theater of a second he's legitimate but I'm talking about is you know working at the Goodman or on Broadway or whatever for somebody that is as talented if not better than them like Abraham Lincoln's cabinet of rivals where he appointed people that were his rivals or people that now I was raised in the Greek Orthodox Church and my parents tried to teach me their values but it took it took a practical experience to sort of understand that that should have Christian the things I learned at second city I mean a lot and gosh if I can't remember one right now I think that Sahlins delay great producer event you can't get married to the stuff that you think is good right but and I think although Hollywood hates to hear this you have to understand that the failure in the trying of things a ethos transcends judeo-christian whatever the notion of that an grinding on the second point because there is a lot there were variably you fail at second city whether it's on stage or I mean if you succeed you end up failing right right and Donovan Always Thought Dominion things I learned second city to write the book now I can't remember a second one but also I really believe that people people I talked to one lesson you think you've learned over the years that none of your training kind of provided that you found out along the way well there is that and every second city actor takes the tools from second city and the more use them to their own good you know understanding the process and realizing that sometimes it doesn't yield gold but you gotta wake up every morning and take your your your shovel out in when I was a kid in London Ontario they used to do this thing where all the boys with the lineup and spread their legs and somebody would run from one end nip highlighted in manipulative like our current president then then you just have a shit storm yeah that's a good point you've probably already answered my next question I mean I know people ask you about the same kind of classic movies but then had to be a great experience for you being in the shape of water you kidding me I would I would reacted accepted because he was concerned about the look that fabrics and all this stuff then I did actually shooting the movie but that Said who have sometimes disappointed more more often disappointed you know worried more about things that are not a behavioral in they don't it's like working with a maestro while and and I'm not overstating this I mean I think I spent more time getting my wardrobe together and getting it ready well his own intelligence even maybe superseded but when you have people that only WanNa hire people that are or work with people that are he's one of these people that if you're in the room and if you're in front of the camera you've passed a rigorous pot of sort of rigorous as sort of the friends and family in other people say well you know the small actually nobody's actually said that to me I was worried that the my agent said that to me there's sort of almost external let let me let me come back to that a as we speak here there there's some of these pop up I mean I learned a million things at second scanning from his own eyes and brain so you're in you're in and you know the same the next guy and everybody the front guy do the same thing and when everybody got wacked it's sorta smart in them up in in this is actually more important than the success in in I became very process oriented second city That testified and I had a guest I want to say maybe a year ago six months nick searcy who has the kind of the same kind of resumes yes it was kind of fun but they're not I would've shined guillermo deterrent shoes is to be in that movie and I didn't have to because luckily cast me and you know the climate of the actress brain the way I thought they might or at least assist in the process it was like working with I'm a student of Film I love Fellini and I love the all the great British filmmakers in American filmmakers Scott says even at Cetera and I never had the chance to work with but he was at the moment I just WanNa run through a little bit of your filmography here you know I noticed it and I'm not going to go through the whole thing obviously but you're in the shape of watering I you know even the so-called and then I said this another interviews I'll repeat it even the so called actors directors I've worked with it's another underrated movie that I really appreciate that you are in which one doctor Detroit you're kidding me Michael Preston was on great guy I really the other underneath everybody on their hands and knees and everybody would take a wack up there but back slapper you'd get up and stand at the end of the line and there have been some other filmmakers with Harold Becker in the boost in there have five percent of a watermelon one hundred percent of A. Raisin so I don't know I'm not a big believer in small part you're part of epic movie and my God the in Roxanne thought was a really phenomenal phenomenal interesting in also novel guy and each one of them different approaches and different ways doing things and when it comes to the shape of water I know you've heard this before there's no such thing as small part China small people and I also have to said yeah well I like Michael I don't know whether I'm I'll reserve comment on the movie honestly if that with few other guys Mike figures when I did internal affairs which I think is a superb movies still stands the test of time I think it's a great film noir everybody can't agree about everything and that's the one thing about subjectivity in taste in movies and you know last night the Turner Classic Movies Mankiewicz that is such a subjective thing yeah all right the cool thing about Dr Detroit was first of all Dan ackroyd was really kind and generous to help me get into the movie you know there was the fact that you have to treat people who want to be also respect there's that's a fundamental one that was a huge awakening and you know come on John they'll come to mind I'm not saying the other directors were not great but fred skips in your your whenever you're pan of gold and go to the river and and try to see what's out there right you mentioned that you are a writer you're also a musician you know I am I am right and I I just want to learn and be in front of the camera and I was so effing nervous when I did that I think I've only watched myself in that twice or something and and also John Hughes who you know I was it was early in my career and I didn't get it as much but I sort of got it more as I pulled away from it it is important for the public and you like the movie and for me that sits well with me but for me the process is also as I said imports uh-huh and and she was a small part and I go you know I don't care I don't care and the sand pebbles and movies like that had a big impression Rambo mean in your career there's another movie i WanNa ask you about who who's who had a tie in with my show as well and that's Dr Detroit I had director Michael Pressman on so in in a very social guy and I love working with the people I mean when I hear of an actor that I've worked with his passed away even you know how many years ago it grieves me so because I as I I love the Richard Krenek man I worked with Richard Krona and I just said George him on my maybe my favorite show of all time I'm I turned forty six October sixteenth I think I'm pretty well versed in movies and television oftentimes other interviews but I'll share with you is that sometimes the experience of doing the movie is better than the movie in in in my case and that's pretty low for my viewing habits but I also met Howard Hessman and you know Fran Drescher in Donna Dixon but aside from that technical aspect That was an interesting experience because I just finished the breakfast club I think that year when I did mind and when I grew up you know I don't know how old you are but I grew up watching movies in the sixties and early seventies like you know and I could probably name every film between nineteen sustain microbes family but everything whether the young guy is on Turner Classic Movies Introduce Raging Bull last night is the best movie ever made and I- blanched at that like you know vice is the first season and the director was a guy named John Nikola who has since gone onto you know he's shuffled off the mortal I'm Michael Pressman who adore Yeah you know so from me obviously the product in eastern we almost had a riot here the other night Jack White and the black keys wouldn't let people in three hundred fifty dollars tickets all my God that's the last time I listened the I've worked on several movies where I thought this film is in Ashley after I've worked on successful movies I thought to myself this film was going to be been and it goes somewhere so what I've learned in my older years is that learning is parabolic sometimes the more you know the more you don't know like I was much sir my all time favorite show you were in that too and I've had a few actors on this show on that show Paul called her on this Miami Vice I gotTa tell you is another thing with the he was in but not my not my cup of meat and Sorry I'm on my office you can hear the sirens going by here at the Corner Wilshire we had an interesting sort of repartee he's there's a special little room in eighties for that dude that's the way I feel about Dr Detroit although I respect Michael Pressman made better films but you know it's so effing subjective right I agree and you know what I have to say you know one of the like two in the afternoon do WanNa go addition for Seinfeld I said Yeah you know and in those days this before Oh and Don Johnson was a trip and I don't mean that in the best ways and and I worked with many years later Nash Bridges in the computer and in the revolution and cell phones I had to go pick up the sides which is the scene I had to audition for and then I drove hurriedly it's going to be huge right right and nothing nothing and then worked another things right thought this is a piece of I don't think it's going to go anywhere and you know so having a show like this job as it doesn't matter though because I mean my subjective feelings sometimes as I said you know like when I worked on the movie but you know where we I'm sorry and I can see that part of him you know I can see that he's a guy that's kind of you know I had something while Miami Vice was just very special you know even the problem with looking back on the TV that I've done especially the stuff that really didn't resonate whatever's first name is Is I know John Mankiewicz is in my my office was in my office space here great writer but part of the in seventy four of the back of my hand but Richard Krenek was in wait until dark and and the Steve McQueen movie come on John His tapes of it looks like it was filmed in the nineteen twenties I look at I lost all my old episode of Miami Vice I hope they booted that up and made at hd or something you're not just giving me I I do not patronize people I know people some people say oh he patronized no I only get people my show that I love so in my opinion and progressing here to a more legendary Roy and it's probably one of the top five episode of Seinfeld in history I feel like I'm going from Miami Vice Drugs to an episode of about drugs but more certain of the descriptive is going to be good or bad this when I was twenty five than I am now at two twenty five right and I'm GonNa Tell You you know obviously take your barry and Seinfeld another fantastic for those people that are originally one of the top fire Seinfeld show one hundred percent with Kramer and that Oh my goodness him while while that's yet but the fact is it's a very social thing for me and and we talked about objectiveness I think it's in the top five I have a friend that's a die hard Seinfeld fan he agrees to the top five or ten I'll steal behind it that was a golden experience Abbas take one sector at least a Thursday afternoon I get a call for me I associate these things physically emotionally and I know my way around La like the back of my hand what the hell is that on the back of my hand over to NBC or wherever the heck it was Radford Mtn Radford Mary Tyler Moore effort were just CVs Radford makes no difference to guys but again you see John you gotTa do me a Major League Xavier and we've got to be aware of this we don't know what Michael May do okay quickly that happened and you know then I rehearsed for week and we shot the thing one of the most difficult times I've ever had here with a cigarette in his mouth and you know I was so first of all worried about messing up potatoes which was I was thinking about something else instead of laughing and that's just a little inside scoop that is on that night right as a shot it and what's his name of course Larry David comes up to me and says just before we start rolling he says listen give it to you that the way they shot that my stage left side was down to the audience was facing audience in my stage right side was in he was sitting to my right can you stay and I mean what do you mean can I stay well you got the part and we need you to stay in the will take care of the paperwork and I went yeah and that's how the cameraman were shaking you know trying to keep the camera city so I bit the inside upper my right side of my no you can't mess up take by laughing because it'll be very hard to cut around and so I was uber aware of that you have to be very careful not to laugh or be surprised I want to say that again we may not know what Michael May do thing in my car and then I go in edition and they say okay hold on okay they came back we're doing a network read through in forty five minutes I looked in the mirror took a look inside my bright and I'd like I'd taken a chunk out of my cheek took about a week for it to get better but anyway yeah it's so interesting because important not to do rule number one from the boss and rule number two was I wanted to make it the best performance I could be you know I wanted to be as funny as possible for concern particularly little okay guys pack it back it all went so what happened your work is just so you're such a variety here you know I say you know my principal when I was in high school is an absolute crap and I'm sure he's still is but I is it like after second or third take I realized I gotta get control myself because after the tape was over everybody roared and I had to laugh but even you know somebody who's a bus driver whatever you know you treat him with the same amount of dignity absolutely and I took that into my work condescend I love my dad but I didn't particularly love working in the store all the time he'd say to me listen you've got to treat everybody the same if the mayor of the city yeah really really hyper aware of that and then he does stuff like you know they opened the bar and it hits his head he drinks a whole and I miss this John Like I've seen this movie a million times and maybe one of the most iconic characters to come out of the eighties coury absolutely sheikh and inside just a bike down and if you watch sadly you can see my my jock clench a little bit every now and then dead nuts on and Kudo see my friend well I mean okay here we go with something I learned at Second City and also something I learned from my father I re-watch us a few times because I knew we were going to speak today but I completely missed the nineteen sixty nine man of the year Carl Reed I finally saw I was like how my dad had a small clothing store in in London Ontario and when I was suffering through working with him comes in treat him just like everybody else don't Fawn don't fuss and if a factory worker or somebody from a different station in life onscreen ever for not laughing was the scene with crank was with the same clamour and I love telling the story because it's true and I said it many times but in my whole thing was you serve the work you don't you don't put your own imprinted into the extent that it's like oh you know it's just him doing his thing again it's like wait a minute how can I supplement myself into the work and serve the work because I'm playing the straight guy I'm not the funny guy in the scene he's definitely the funny guy and also I just bit down on the inside of my lip go just make sure that audience's smart if not smarter than you and I learned that at second city again I'm finding out the collective intelligence of the audience is is is like genius level so in a sense that is also supplementing part of your ego because it goes against some actors some actors in the my characters you know a and that's why playing small parts sometimes smaller parts I should say is like okay I'm here that was kind of odd but I'd never ever condescended and that's the other thing I learned at second city like Seinfeld and so forth I just feel like people need to hear the story because it's absolutely amazing and I definitely go with John Hughes but one thing I unison and being you know it's like Jim Belushi Shakespeare that's not the way it works for me for me it's Giannakopoulos in Shakespeare I always try to treat these interviews like people are listening for the first time because you're you're such a crucial figure a lot of these movies like the things I've already mentioned who is this person and like e e wakes up in the morning and he's a janitor and you know pointed fact I was three years older than Judd Nelson in the matter is is if if you don't if you don't get that in your Noggin than big party small part people are going to the serve the work yeah and and Jim Belushi and I are we're never the best of friends so what I'm saying is sometimes people make the work serve them you know in when I did that movie I was twenty seven years twenty four in since I was losing my hair bit and balding and sort of becoming a more of an adult actor so this into the Oxford Dictionary J. G. O. F. F. look it up but the fact that in that's the Chicago way of saying you Jag from London Ontario and I hate it when people came to my small little town when I was a kid and talk to me like I was some jerk right now I went to few music concerts that's another huge tenant of second city is the audiences as smart as if not smarter than you and a lot of Hollywood people producers in this condescend to their audience so is very important to me that Carl was a guy that had dignity and like said you know you guys take I'm such a tangible peon will phone like a patronizing Jag off right now I don't care but then I know you're you're you're you're kind of getting the plot is I would say the the line that's the most honest remember like you you know it's like I've learned a few things you Jag offs point in fact Jag just became entered into the language of I've had producers say to me all the Guy Peoria Illinois doesn't know what the word cantankerous means there's something I was writing a script once and I put a word in the person in the Mid West Custodians I feel like we're always the backbone of every institution you know and that brings us to our next movie the Breakfast Club in and I know you've talked about these a thousand times so if you know in front of the seven and a half eight years I was there and if you don't come to respect the audience drive to be the ones stand out but sometimes if you do that you're not serving the work or the character and the the work is the character and the moments where like reality in fantasy in the rubber hits the road and but that's also kind of the part of the process right happy we just said because it translates into your performance rate because I've been wanting to tell you this for years I mean I didn't know I was kind of a podcast when I saw the breakfast club but I gotTa tell you this you know what that I said listen I've been to Peoria Illinois played for the Peoria Illinois audiences and they fucking know that right okay right and sixty grand just to use that line for a month so like it's ironic because I improvised it but that's another story but that's perhaps one of the most you know gene we're your with Richard Vernon and you guys are sharing a beer I mean I'm sorry Rick Marinas Russian accent doesn't get that done when you when you look at him you say you know man kids haven't changed take you have an epic response what you just said thing before I said that like it translates into your performance there's no bullshit and what you're doing and maybe maybe came out about the Beatles called yesterday and I thought about you did you see yesterday Oh God yes I gotTa tell you there's a scene in that movie I it really it you don't condescend to the characters us as much as you can and you also try to in a strange way distance off from Youtube because you're playing a character so it's a pardon me it's a tarot pack and You know my t shirts going to be when I was Oh yeah tonight we're just playing one and antero wait a minute I buy albums just like they do in Toronto New York Chicago. La So fuck you right and and you learned that early on own let's use that right if I want to put that on a t shirt now they know when promote my musical show when I was a kid I wanted to be John Lennon universal wants me to pay in terms of my own personal thing and not second city actors learned this because some of them go off and become more cloudy or much more aggressive in terms of their assertive because I had which are pretty embarrassing and in the thing and I'm like in the session with them telling out John just you know play a little more acoustic here in Paul in that baseline they did there was great is line in terms of just John Coppola's being is like John Hughes said to me who did you WanNa be when you were a kid and I was a kid I wanted to be John Lennon I mean no questions and he said I you know I've tried many times in my life to keep a diary so the nineteen sixty four I sort of kept a diary for about a week and a half and I found it recently and changed you have you have you have man you changed and and you know and then they go. US Go on to talk about you know kids are going to run the country and you know they're gonNA take care people don't realize that of course you don't the the emotional release and they've talked about this documentaries of the emotional garbage cans and just remember that and here I am John Lennon always had his knees sort of pointed to the center played his guitar and had his eyes closed because he could we see and I used to imitate them and and it was a week of my life from nineteen sixty four which is very very seminal year because it was horrible to live through like nine eleven horrible to experience my parents would always like an into the day that FDR died and I would go and whenever I see that footage in whenever I think about those times I actually couldn't really say I thank them for Kim and her in an were specifically a lot of family lived in Brookline Kennedy death was like a death in the family right Feist at dreams when I was a boy I was in recording session with the Beatles I swear there's a song that they recorded in my dreams that they never recorded and lines was went out and played Beatles with Jefferson James in all my in Steve and I always played and I played John Lennon we got the tennis rackets and we're on top of the and the thing is that you don't realize how much of a release it was in the world when they got on the stage and how joyful that was hugh he and I were similar age and he's a bit older but my God do we relate on a musical level and also on that level eggs FDR right but but I know who FDR is now and in that Teddy Roosevelt Franklin and because my parents went down but at least we had after Kennedy was assassinated and when Kennedy was suggested I'm sure that was the same in a lot of family I'm not exclusive but because my mother was from Boston ask your JFK and in the passing of of Lennon you know when I saw yesterday in that scene unfolds I can tell you John I was we here you don't have to he came in with a wacky Russian accent maybe some things with his keys John Hughes basically in a long story short said this is really not going to doing that and it was inadvertent they didn't know it it was just timing you know it's it's the Zeitgeist and then and then when I'm at John Terms of the details but you know it was just a different interpretation and in a sense not serving the work right I still know this song it's the song it was the song is called revolver and it was in my head created in a dream and I still remember the enrolling in my head and it was it was just us being that asshole never speak his name was shot him as you know I hope he's a deeper than Don maybe think of your line in the breakfast club and I gotta say it's just sending line when he was old yes yes and it was weeping now yes it was just like so like work and then you're kind of introduced to the rule is that fair is that accurate that's very fair the fact is in a very very very talented man in council you would say something like that and people look at you like you're an asshole like who do you think you are you get a job and there's nothing wrong with a with a nine to five there's nothing wrong with that that's right but the thing is that you know at that point you gotta make a choice as a performer and You Know Johnson wants for sure yeah I agree and I gotTa tell you Karl serves a crucial narrative in what people don't think Carl personally curl drives the breakfast can I want to be John Carlos breath away and they can't sue me for that and I got to say though it is so funny that you said and I thought of you for this because there's a movie that came absolutely yup it's funny you know it's one of those things where I'm not privy to any the real story in terms of like me we think of that and it made me think like when I was in school and it's just like what would happen like you would tell you had dreams that I mentioned might creepy principal before or a guidance rough road now and we can see the father burned cigarettes cigarette burns in and that he's from an abusive environment and he's acting out and he's scared Oh and they can smell a rat and they can snow phoniness and I think my brother and I did the math I sit in the two thousand or twenty five hundred shows a second city he's trying to figure that out and and so in my opinion I looked at bender and it's like you know man Bingley I don't want to sound like a candy ass but I will I mean I was weeping because it does get you thinking like what if or you know it's I got a Lotta wheels from Chechnya and I just love saying the war Chechnya's funnier is like Kankakee and he's unsure of who he is the film is about identity man it's all about identity and that's why it works to this day is because every twelve to eighteen year old it's almost like if you try to dream it's like you're shit on and I kind of felt that in that scene that you you talk to me I wanted to be like what is wrong with that Cetera and like what happened you know what happened to Carl and what so there's that sort of and I think the judd picked up on that but I I'm not asking you to approve or not approve that but he does in people that don't know that are listening Rick Moranis originally got the part and you can either say something I think generally he worked part on many levels I mean he was working hard in that movie in ways that that that work as you know that are shown on now I know who you are because you are me and you WanNa be me at twenty eight nine pushing a broom in these hallways or worse Haram directing them in the studio but when I was in nineteen sixty four when I was wet of eight years old could happen there no I agree and I got to say you know one of the things is we we talked about this as well it's just it's just the performance itself is amazing I have on I tunes and I'm going to say do you think that that should have been in the movie because I feel like it was perfect for what was personally I think it was I was a huge loss to me in the succeed I knew that was a subtext that this guy was pretty high up there any at every girl he wanted to night school in he had all the opportunities instead differently watered it down maybe or changed some of the lines it may be might have been had some mitigating circumstances but ultimately you know and this is not just but but I also understand why was taken out but in a sense maybe he was on the head but had we played and John The reason I bring up Jackie Burch is that when I was talking to her about John Hughes and you kind of talking about John earlier and interviewing and I didn't WanNa Kinda get into it then because there's a lot I wanNA say bad side because it sounds very juvenile his his unfavorable side is that is that accurate because he was such a I don't want to see a quirky guy but he definitely was a man that was complicated he was a genius there's so much to him but talk a little bit about that aspect of Eric Carl looks at everyone and tells them where sees them you know you're going to have a facelift you're going to get this kind of job you're going to be overweight you're gonNa have you seen that clip from the extreme self as Carl ten years down the road is that where the insecurity comes from John I also think that Karl looks at Bender sees himself yes yes good way or I mean shakespeare featuring you know so and so what I mean to say about that's all I just fucked that up I get the point of what you're saying I absolutely get what you're saying live in amherst whatever does that make you any lesser I do not outside I'm saying right right now I gotta tell you man and translates selfish Giannakopoulos actor talking although many people might think so but I think it should have been in but you know what do I know a lot but I I don't WanNa make this I have I haven't seen the clip and I feel like available on the DVD. Now the criterion disk is as all those ticks. Yeah so that's something I'd like because because Bender you know Benders GonNa have if we're talking the present tense about the movie bend is going to have a pretty rough road ahead of them he's got I don't think I entirely wrapped my brain around it I have some I have some great memories the John Hughes the the man when you're in you're in when you're out you're out there was a fine line John was pretty is but I also think he internalized a lot of stuff I would say that he was some passive aggressive and a bad person in any way shape or form but because he was a good person right in any contributed any was hardworking and he was Like Scott I didn't again you know with the benefit of hindsight I didn't get it a lot more now but I disparages him because I really don't feel like disparaging frankly and then also I also don't think I think these are forgivable sins forgivable character flaws I mean he was I think that he had a lot of issues that you know with Hollywood with how people perceived has left on the cutting room floor I think would make a good part of the movie and I'm a little disappointed because usually when you see parts of movies that don't make it and you're like okay I get it I get why it's where your rated with the you know the retrospectives and all the stuff that is happening now whether he would have indulged himself in John and I have some that are that are not as favorable I've tended to shy away from anything that and now that the big agenda it is a bad job but I mean if you think you're going to rise in life you got another thing coming 'cause I always played Carl is like the mole man was likely I guess that I've had but another guest that's pertinent to this interview as Jackie Burch a casting director she I love I love Jackie yes she is the people don't and I'm not about to say that you know he was only made for for that that seems to be a special sweet spot for looking back in because he was not a looking back sort of guy in that regard he was in terms of you know his youth talk about what it comes to him she kind of and I don't have a word for word 'cause I don't WanNa make it selling this but she made it sound like it was not a good place to be if you were on his he had a good heart I believe that he smoked too much cigarettes and that probably had a lot to do with his and you know in this day of what they are calling cancel culture now where people are cancelled because of their behavior past recent past what limbs large in my life and career and I think again without wanted to step on toes because his family is alive and thriving and wonderful and he's got boys out there that are to say that I'm sad that he's passed away probably a huge understatement I think that it's it's it's whether he would have grown but I think that at the end the proverbial day his flaws were certainly outmatched by all his positive things getting better and demanding more from all those above entities and you know during the you know he's not showing us he's working hard which is the you know brilliance of great actor and I think he was really great in that movie tickets at one of the parts of the movie that I read work with this talent with his lack of patience with people with his constant lead the seeds right I don't think that this is worthy of any cancellation I don't know personally whether he crossed any lines in so far as and I got test beautifully said nothing about harp on when I saw that movie yesterday it just you know you mentioned the innocence lost and Love Precious sometimes in this way he behaved especially when he was at the top of his heap and you know you nailed it when you said is complicated he's a very complicated the eyes of people's minds and I really regret the fact that we never got to talk later some people have intimated that you know was he Intimate with any of the people he worked with and was he untoward any of the teenagers. I can't speak to that and I know my sense was now but what do I know in terms of that you don't know what goes on behind doors and behind people's minds here's the moral compass and I gotta say and and it took me a while to see this because sometimes we watch movie as a kid you don't pick up on it but is this John Bender where he was in the time and place the existed any I've said a lot about him and I've thought a lot about him you know on occasion I think more about them than last is saying okay well I know what you wrote and because John's Edwin I'm like well did you know that this guy went to this high school and did you know that he grew up here so he's kind of part of this milio he's not like current and you know I really didn't communicate with them for a long time probably twenty years so and I don't know what is this and this is why I love my podcast to be selfish like I just feel like she was the backbone behind so many of those hughes movies and she doesn't get enough credit for other if he were alive today things would be any different whether I'd speak to him or not I think that on some small level and this is probably something I've never said that you know and and when I said that line I'll just never when I said well when I was I want to jump on I'll just never forget how the board lit up in his eyes anyway and so I went over there so I got to get a call to get over to Radford nitric decides and I work we're on the IT's trains and films I would have loved to have been part of maybe there was nothing in there for me but still I was never asked and anybody else before that I was probably on the outs list with him after a period of time I mean he never asked me to be an uncle buck or I haven't read too many interviews with they don't do that many interviews of anyway the rest of the breakfast club people that much weird science the breakfast club in many people for those of you listening John You had you had I wanna say significant apart accurate and in a sense that's speaks to the fact that people serve dual purposes in his career is like if they worked in his movies they worked in his movies I fell out of favor not because of anything I did personally but maybe something was watching me on the screen and going this guy doesn't work anymore and that's probably more wherever it was in the back of my cabin the downtown sequence unfortunately because of my experience on it I really I've seen Ferris Bueller but it's not a film that I retain because it's in Ferris Bueller as well that for someone on reason was also left like it's just a very corky way he approach some things John You know and I'm not I I also strangely that might have contributed to my demise is sort of a cast of the people he looked at because of the weird science thing I was supposed to play a Russian picked up when they wrapped and brought to the sound stage like a twelve thirty one in the morning and at one fifteen thirty is John John was wanted to do he was running over they kept on going in a hand certain degree of loyalty with that new other actors that he kept on using but I don't know whether and the one story that I heard is they're about to wrap movie at paramount midnight or one in the morning is last film and it was the last night of the shooting and they had the driver did the accent well and I worked with Lyman Ward and Matthew was Alan Ruck and he asked the producers if he could go on until whatever you know can I get another hour and they said no shutting down and so and that was it and the wrap party was called off and all the food and everything you know and that was it and I'm not privy to their thoughts and feelings were which are probably more complex and deeper because I was on the movies long didn't have as as a profound relation this whole sound state setup for wrap party and one of the actors told me this I don't know remember the movie or whatever was but there were supposed to everybody was supposed to be appoint right let's cut out entirely am am I never really got an explanation as to why ever and I felt like in a sense kit basically and now that you know do you think you know Asian experience would have served your report differently so do you think if you worked for him the strangely card magic by Saleh year healthy boy audited end in that's what how did that chapter in and it was never really picked up and unfortunately it was returned from this life so Gathering the facts John I think he likes you a lot I just feel like his kid a very quirky way about him in my next question to you is this ship in that regard but a lot of those relationships ended up on happily yes and they all all of those actors that you're talking about but the one thing that I see in my business a lot of his ego fear and desperation and a he literally got in the car drove to the airport and maybe took a private plane back to Chicago in in whether this is apocryphal or not I don't think he ever wanted never never return metaphorically at this point versus working for twenty seven or thirty there would be more understanding there would be more kind of knowledge of where he's going or do you think that's that's like a like it's there's sort of a a tearing if you will a his career sort of like what where did it end don't I wish somebody had said that to me early on or earlier on the fact is that I was always looking for mentors in one answers but I don't know whether I was actually looking for the good answers I can on that I have learned over the years from days second city onward and I have not been an angel but I think the last ten fifteen years since that's that's about to say about him yeah and and that's what she had said to kind of disappeared and you know it's weird because you're you do a phenomenal job in sixteen candles you know it's John John Hughes being John Hughes do you think that do you think age would've inexperienced would have served you better versus being a kid that works out I I I was doing my research for you and they're all very complimentary of what you did that we've been speaking from the outside just looking in and I'm forty sort of sort of and I think you might sense this new have a sense of maturity and and then fifty changes you sixty certainly does younger actors who are acting out of fear desperation ego and jealousy you know it raises a red flag in my head and of course I see them in me with them and I ended up getting a whole different group of friends and thankfully I did because I was in the class and I WANNA hang with the B people to huge lesson to be learned from because they were jealous and it's a long story and one that's kind of a sore point but it also shaped me because by the time they wanted to talk to me I have wanted to do nothing when you were unresolved in my head you know and and it's one of those things that life is not Nisei resolvable and it's one of those things how much why are you so nervous what's what's taking inside you that that gives you that that anger to reject people so suddenly and in kind of the way I work now I mean I got a great attitude on sets but I don't cotton to people's bad behavior never have in a you know when I see our me and now I should say especially younger me and if I had the chance to speak to Jonah I'd say hey you know what I I've never been in a position I looked cross eyed at somebody in this town I got an attitude problem whereas other people can you know shit on your dinner and everybody claps try not to take the negative stuff too hard I mean if it comes from a bad place if it comes from a good place I would have loved to sit eight John You know why do you smoke yeah I think I would have the temerity and the courage to ask in you know come what may if he wants to farm me so fucking what you know because Hollywood can really Jack you off and it can make you think you're the king of the fucking hill and and it's never really happened to me that the in once you once you wrap your head around the fact that ego is a fucking killer that's what if I was to see him today it was tough to take when I was in school it was one day when I came back from school after vacation visiting my brother Princeton and kids in my class didn't talk to me for three weeks and they manifest themselves in very different ways and then jealousy and I would throw that into the mix because I've been people have been jealous since I was a kid no answer or whether I was actually listening but past a certain age and again you might feel this yourself you actually do listen to what people say about you and as much as I don't think about for a long time and I'll never get an answer but anyway go ahead yeah and that's such a great way of how you put in you think so when you worked for him you're twenty seven I tried to keep them in check and I try to keep it real but that's the short long answer your question no and I feel like he was all about John as far as good as you were your ego got the better of you and Um what happened and what is with you that that can't be controlled and in unlike hope that makes sense in a way I got it and I think that's a very cogent and very very interesting question and I'll give you as much as it was a pretty serious and and well intentioned guy but also I understood that he was one that could lose cookie and maybe even throw a punch so John I mean Paul gleason did not cut into the fact that I sort of followed John's lead and I cut him off ugliest awesome and I'm embarrassed for that but he won't where he is now he had John who says you basically like I felt like he gave the bucks John had it set up where where he was so pissed at you and then that's like any sense I was warned about Paul gleason you're certain quarters and you know that he was a friend of Bob Duval's innately comes from the rough and tumble school of you know you know a very very you'll of rope to an end and frankly unload of that because you know I tread that line and and you know I haven't ego I have a temper so well said so I've never had the luxury of being one of those people that you know people give great I mean a little different school than me I have a little bit more ironic sense of who I am and pros yeah that that's true John said you know he was buying time on this line he was improvising or you and I crack you add living I would say more my skills were doc and the look on his face is that it was like that surprise look as you see on film on his side of the camera in other words when the coverage is on him you will lot of and you obviously don't go to me but he gave you a lot of leeway when it came to ad-libbing or one of the best lines movie comes from adults but you know he I feel like revising advertising I'm sorry yes you're right but I can also explain the difference in if you want invest yeah please it's on my back is truly I think a moment where he went what Frig Frag Paulie Wag is going on here and and I we gave you a lot of room in even so much like there was a story about you know and I hope this is true otherwise embarrassed where you said something about can I borrow fifty bucks because he was going well Karl any sort of waiting for the queue line whatever amendment have been which is lost in the sands of time now because like and although his name is Dick but in the movie it was one of those moments where I said you know listen if you want to hate I think whatever strength I had was derived from the notion that Oh should I lost my thought me that much or hate on me or take it out on me go ahead but let's just make sure we get it on film and I feel like the way Carl drives the then we cut camera and he was pushing me a bit and showing you know what's going on and he got a little bit upset and I put my hands behind my back and said turn on the camera if you WanNa take a shot let's just say breakfast club I feel like he was all about right so tell me head remember with the vice principal right did it late some late great ah if anything whatever strength had is an actor that time and self awareness I learned in the previous five years I've been at second what was it repeat the question yeah so just the idea of John's faith in you drive the movie both on and offscreen where I I think the cast as far as dialogue that you felt was appropriate given seeing whether it was written or not written to me it seems like in this movie in particular John Hughes really the point is also that John sort of in stark terms but good adult you know what I'm saying right right and anyway but I feel like he kind of add a lot of faith in you and I hope I'm somewhat accurate in that assumption only jump to a a moment where I think what happened is let me go ahead and let my lawyers do the rest and that was kind of the end of it and in a sense not that I bought it to respect because it wasn't one of those Dick Moments talk to me and outside an example when I was auditioned West Wing they had thirty nine auditioning for these four parts in the up to you in a way John and said I felt like from the outside it seems like he did have faith in you in that particular move to really get a lot of faith you to drive it bye bye because that also goes back to when I was a kid and at incident happened to me in public school grade grade six it when people ignored me as the secondary narrative which I mean come on I mean these kids are looking at this guy who has basically for lots of reasons but anyway but my point is gentlemen I don't think that's but you know I'll I'll defer to the man is hosting the pump you know that is my opinion and I and I'll tell you what there's a lot that will back that because he does he he thirty five to sixty five let's say in at this audition and there were in Warner Brothers calls in the casting director John Lady called in a lot of people bound the Labor negotiators and it was a day after the emmys and Tommy Salami the producer of the West Wing Law and a pile of awards and he probably was out late the city 'cause I was in New York with second city at the time doing a show off Broadway at the village gate when they yanked me out of it to shoot the breakfast club and you sit back and like people started coming up you're going hey I thought you were an asshole but you know you really get to work well yeah well let's do another team together and that's how I gathered my strength he just had a lot of this was I think sometimes the less you demand the more you command and he showed up gleaning read outs at red pants red shirt in at warner brothers maybe an hour and a half after all these actors were waiting okay so the producer John slummy rules in John Lee becomes out and goes listen what we're GonNa do is were because we need to audition you quickly is WanNa talk to them because you're competing with them in at least that's the way I am and that's the way a lot of most other actors are they don't want to say fucking booty riches so like maybe seven eight people per part so there must have been you know as I said fifty sixty men working waiting there well a lot of guys on tape and the you know they throw in the trash in your Internet so I go in the room and again at four lines four or five lines about it so I looked at my line circle them realize what my accuser and then literally I was like the second group of four guys they brought in horrible first week second week in the third week I found myself right and and at the end of it is like Oh we're going to talk to you again will you know what I don't really need that and going phoning their agents of this and that and I know where to be right so I just curl up in the corner sat there and you don't demand respect to command respect that's the thing that I learned a second city you don't go back me come on look at my work why aren't you doing my fucking scene had two big pick up their wives get to school so the audition was at ten in the morning ten thirty and it didn't really get rolling till about noon so a lot of guys were like edgy and really and looked at my script and meditated trying to keep the vibe of everybody else away pre auditions with other actors is a weird situation you might run into one of your best friends and you WanNa L. Memorize this thing and all that stuff so I got handed apart that literally had four lines in it yes no okay I see it that way thank you okay we'll see and a lot of men my age at the time what fifties whatever this is a many years ago so early in my late forties but a lot of guys age range from my story it's over there he's over a homeless problem in L. A. and they're probably sticking more homeless people like stupid Mirabelais does it's not an opinion about that but anyway I could feel during the scene three page scene may be tuned page scene not long I could feel everybody's is shifting towards me and watching me because I was listening Yup twelve people sitting in that room eight producers in four casting people and he's over abound enriches edition people like that anymore and try to stand apart from these people respectfully rick but you know he served the work you make it work as best respect and so if the breakfast club gravitational pull gorgeous goes towards me I have to credit a lot of reacting in in the scene and the other guys were sitting on top of it trying to impress not really delivering and I got thing about acting as it is a very musical experience now a lot of actors aren't musical don't get that but having taken eight years piano as a kid I know I know what a four he was literally shaking in the paper where Schick and I just was watching them and listening end remembered my cues said my lines and again the ambulance is coming through excuse timing and certainly comedy is but drama is equally so and that's my end about answer and I have to say what what eight because John of course but in that I wasn't going hey look at me I'm the janitor I'm going to work fee teeth in speaking Russian accent perfunctory answers this and I just looked at the other actors when we started seeing the two guys at the end were older men probably my agent heard now the lesson in that was dead in the moment be there and don't demand respect command as you can you give the character character dignity and you pay at the proper give it proper town you know I play music and one hurt onscreen I think the whole movie is essentially about Karl driving it I feel like John Hughes looked at simple overstatement but anyway just for the record ladies a little couch in there and like Jimmy Stewart or Gary Cooper I think is the one Gary Cooper you know I used to have mastered the you know the now nearly sixty s and one of them was so nervous and he had a lot of stuff to say a lot of stuff say like paragraphs stuff and he'd just gotten it the majority of them were younger than I was in a way that when you're twenty seven and somebody's nineteen or even twenty four it's more of a Gulf right right as you said from the cast and I get I get the logic in that one did that happen in to do you think that was an effective way to approach it well I exit work a lot and and I'm not GonNa you know I have one of the questions about the breakfast club but one thing that really makes it work is you are very much Karl is far as gonNA bring you in four at a time and we're going to give you new parts and he gave out new parks tension well everybody was apoplectic for

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One Last Time

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

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One Last Time

"Baseball tonight, the PODCAST. This is the baseball tonight podcast for Thursday October twenty nine thousand. Twenty, producing today from his home studio in the foothills of Connecticut is jealous. Frank I'm buster only working from my home studio in New York and Taylor this is it the last daily podcast of the of the season. We're going to have some offseason podcasts intermittently, but we've been going at it day after day after day since the middle of February and we have reached the finish line today. First of all love doing the podcast, I love the listeners buster I love working with you but I can't not say I'm a little excited to have a bit of a breather here. It is a little bit grind. Even I talked to my fellow podcast producers here at ESPN. You do that every single day still why? Like baseball, we gotta do it every day. There's no choice. You GotTa do it every day that reflects the sport and I say tale you have done a phenomenal job this year I so much appreciate it. You. Know every day having to get up having to answer my emails having to respond to my questions having to go through all the crap that I throw on you. And having to do that every day. I appreciate the kind words buster. It's a privilege and an honor to work alongside you. So no worries there. Let's get to it. Yeah. Let's get to it. All right. Start with asked Major League Baseball announced it will investigate the actions of Justin Turner the dodgers after the third baseman was told he tested positive for corona virus in the midst of the last game of the world series in a statement the League called decision quote wrong put everyone he came in contact with at risk when MLB security raise the matter of being on the field with Turner he emphatically refused to comply now I looked into that phrase and asked Okay what does that? Mean, emphatically, refused to comply and I was told it on multiple occasions. Turner was told I officials from Major League baseball than he needed to isolate himself and that he directly verbally said no in. So many words the league is a is said to have begun its investigation both teams were tested again on Wednesday and their travel back to their home cities happened after players tested negative Justin Turner was not on the dodger team flight. Well, you know this is a big story when it's gone national with good. Morning. America. Here was a report this morning Robin Roberts the anchor Kaley heart tongue in Tim Kirk Jenner. The voices you'll hear. Switching to the MLB investigating dodger star Justin Turner who joined the on field celebration despite testing positive being pulled from the Game Kelly Heart Tongue is dodger stadium with more on this force good. Morning. Good. Morning Robin Justin Turner grew up just thirty minutes from here. He dreamed of playing for his hometown dodgers and he'll have the pictures and memories of that celebration. He waited his whole life for forever. But now the question is at what cost Ferret is the dodgers were returning home to Los, Angeles World Series Champions but one player wasn't on board Third Baseman Jim. Turner now under investigation by Major League Baseball for risking the safety of others. Turner was removed from the title-clinching game. The eighth inning after his cove in nineteen tests came back positive. The Commissioner's office says he violated Corona Virus Protocols when he then returned to the field team celebration, be one to come out and dig a picture with the trophy which you. Can't state strongly enough how big of a role he played in this the success of this organization I don't think there was anyone that was gonNA. Stop Him in a statement the League saying while a desire to celebrate his understandable Turner's decision to leave isolation and enter the field was wrong and put everyone he came in contact with at risk when MLB security raise the matter of being on the field with Turner he emphatically refused to comply the only reason that the baseball season was able to finish is that the players and everyone around the teams did such a diligent job of following those protocols. Gives the game a bad look. That's Turner celebrating with his teammates at times with his mask off kissing his wife and taking a team photo next dodgers manager Dave Roberts a cancer survivor the Major League Baseball Players Association tells GM. It's still gathering facts to determine events Los Angeles. Mayor Eric Garcetti pointing to this as a reminder that anyone can contract the virus I. Think the guidance is clear that if we are positive, we should stay away from people. Justin Turner says he has an experienced any symptoms and all of his teammates tested negative before they returned to La. This is an unprecedented situation, and until this investigation is complete, it's unclear if there will be any penalty for Turner or the dodgers, guys how the investigation plays out Kelly. Thank you. The World Series Ratings TV ratings dropped thirty two percent below previous low. According to Nielsen Media Research Fox average a five point two rating twelve share in nine point seven, five, seven, eight, five, million viewers the previous low was seven point six in a rating from the giants two thousand twelve sweep of the Detroit Tigers the. New York Post reports the New York Mayor Bill De Blasio was trying to kill the mets sale, the Steve Cohen, the mayor's office SORTA denied it said that what the the mayor's doing privately matches what he's doing publicly the bottom line is that major league baseball owners are set for a final vote on the met sale on Friday. needs twenty two of the other twenty, nine owners to get approval for that in an ominous I signed for what the winner will be in baseball, a ton of players. So the two thousand and twenty one contractual options declined by their respective teams on Wednesday called Wong Howie Kendrick Anabol- Sanchez, Wilson Ceramahs, Robinson Torino's todd. Frazier Sergio. Romo were among those think about what happened with the Colorado rockies and Daniel Murphy Danny Murphy had a twelve million dollar option. Combined team and player option the rockies opted out and they gave me six million dollar buyout. So over the difference of six million dollars, the rockies cut ties with Daniel Murphy, the Marlins by the way in recent days picked up the option of twelve point five million for outfielder starling Morte. Clayton Kershaw was on good. Morning. America yesterday. He of course, now, a world series champion he said he won't complain about the bubble and that it was worth it. Just every with everything that's going on in the world and being able to have a baseball season general I don't think there's anything to complain off. We've been Abo- for almost four weeks now. From. The bubble in the stadium back every day. But you know it was worth one and we have to have a baseball. You. Know if he told me April, May that we're going to get to have baseball season. Series I would have stayed in vote the whole time to do that. So it's incredible. We're excited to get out of here go home, but it's it's just a credible. Kershaw grew up with a great set of friends and those that for those friendships have been maintained all the way into adulthood. He talked about data about leaving the bubble yesterday. And they were so excited. They probably haven't slept either you know there's just so happy to be there be a part of it I haven't seen it yet, but they got to come to the game it'll be. I think today we're going to go home and get the CNN. So it's just we're just really excited about everything that. Goes with winning the world series in there to. A big lascaux. Today, we're going to be talking with Tim Kirch into Jesse Rogers Paula Mickey D's. We're going to hear from Todd Radim and we will follow a podcast tradition at the end but before that Wanna just tell you check out the latest episode of the Bill Barnwell Show bill is joined by his friend Meena crime to discuss possible trade options for the league super bowl contenders download and subscribe to the Bill Barnwell show wherever you get your podcast. Jesse Rogers covers baseball ESPN and he lot of times we'll. Be specifically talking about the Chicago cubs but today Jesse, WE'RE GONNA be talking about other issues and the issue that everyone in America's needs to be talking about, which is just Turner's actions. After he was told that he had tested positive for coronavirus, Major League baseball coming out yesterday announcing the is going to investigate him and I gotTa Tell You Jessie I think he's going to be suspended I. Don't think it's going to be a long suspension but I think it's GonNa be something where Major League Baseball is GONNA try to make a statement and and essentially you know announced publicly that they think he did he he was very wrong with the way he handled it. Don't think there's any doubt he's in he's in trouble there's no doubt I mean the the statement that that will be put out last night sort of speaks for itself. He he disobeyed direct orders to stay quarantine to stay isolated and he went out there and celebrated with his team. It's kind of funny they. They didn't put him on the team plane after everything that he just did but obviously, optics are important. My point being probably infected the team already at that point, you might as well put them on the plane, but you know obviously you have to be careful as you can with the people that you find, you know that tested positive and you tested positive. And didn't fall protocols in directly disobeyed and OBI security. So absolutely, he's going to have to pay some sort of penalty. Maybe the dodgers included because obviously, they didn't care too much. He went back out there and so yeah, they'll be something I agree with you they'll be some sort of suspension going in the next season Yeah Andrew Friedman had baseball ops did an amazing job of building this team and he's run this franchising away. It ensures dodger success for years to come even his statements after the game where he basically said yeah, who's going to stop them given that he's on the team and when I heard that I was like well Andrew it's your responsibility. Like you this is your player. In this moment and I understand that the dodgers are running around but the dodgers officials need to needed to to help out with that and I. Think they're the dodgers actions are going to be investigated well, based on what I heard yesterday. And remember though in four days, he's no longer dodger right? He's a free agent. So at that point, how much control do they have and how much does it really care and obviously where he goes you know that factors in the fact that he could be suspended for the first ten games or something of the next season. So it was just a terrible terrible moment after a great great moment that is the dodgers finally wouldn't that championship? All right before we talk about the winter market and some ominous signs that we saw yesterday about where this winter's going to go I, want to ask you about the Blake Snell decision the other day everyone's been weighing in and you get your shot here. Yeah covered the raise the entire series. So is an all those pre-game zooms including the one day before. This the day before the off day Kevin? Cash forecasting exactly what he was going to do and it just. Man I mean we at that point where we're deciding the day. I covered the cubs when Joel, Madden Kyle Hendricks early and talked and forecasted that as well. It's just a weird situation with come to in baseball. We're guys know days ahead of time how they're going to manage the game and you know I like to be overly dramatic with your buster. You can make a case that's the worst decision in the history of the game for a manager It's it was that bad and the fact that. He didn't use his is it always texting with an executive yesterday I mean the whole idea of the computer in the analytics is supposed to be in combination with what you see on the field not instead of what you see on the field, and now it's given a lot of munition to the anti numbers people, and that is that is. I have some ripple effect. I think the whole idea is to have a balancing act between the two and we we we saw Kevin cash do exactly the opposite of act. He completely went by the numbers instead of using his is yeah. It's funny when I hit radio show yesterday a lot of people were asking the question of you know does this mean analytics is going to go away and I was like absolutely not in fact, analytics are going to be they're gonNA can continue to have even deeper influence in baseball. However I do think it's going to kick off a larger conversation about how analytics or affecting the entertainment product and whether as Kevin in cash the sports gone too far. Well I joked with somebody. Just to joke because we know how? Andrew Friedman is with the dodgers. He came from the raise and I joked that you know Sandra Freedman managing both teams at that moment because you know that was kind of the dodgers have that label going by the book and in the computer and all that and you know cash did it as well I? Think it also is going to kick off the thing for managers though far search. This that that they're going to be reminded even by those buttoned up executives that you have to use your eyes sometimes and I get it. This guy had not finished sixth innings in over a year. I. Get it that for however many starts pitch this season Kevin cash at a formula that worked with Blake, Snell this was not the Cy Young Blake snow. But in that moment in game six, he was the Blake Snell cy young winner and that's when he sort of adjusted his thinking is just so I do think it's an. Excellent point a little bit with managers. It's not GonNa Change, how analytics are used but I do think some are going to be reminded that there is could tell a story as as the numbers can. So I've been talking on the podcast for weeks and weeks about how in talking with agents and talking with club officials they really expect a brutal winter for potential free agents because of the change in the financial landscape, and the fact is, is that teams are looking to cut payroll and I think most teams if not. All. Teams are going to be looking to take their payrolls down into two thousand and twenty one to try to offset some of the losses of no fans in the stands you're not gonNA. Do it with young players who are cheap? You'RE NOT GONNA do it with players who have existing contracts like Jason. Heyward. For example, on the cubs, the teen you cover but where you can do it our with our veteran players who are free agents in yesterday. Wow. You know some of the decisions that were made by teams to not. Pick up options where predictable you know there's some veterans who had coming off a bad years and then there's the decision like cold Wong who's thirty years old gold glove second basement one of the most impactful defensive players in the sport. You know he didn't have a great year in two thousand and twenty and this small sample size games. But he had a good year I think is on base percentage was like around three fifty and again he's a he's a really good defensive player in two, thousand, nine, nineteen, three, point seven. Okay, and as again he just turned thirty. The cardinals had a team option for twelve point five, million, they turn down a one year obligation for twelve point, five million, and instead they gave him a one million dollar buyout seed basically talking about an eleven and a half million dollars decision by the cardinals to cut ties with a player who's been pretty good through the years. He's right in the middle of his career that to me was a sign of these numbers are going to make go down further than what we even expected. Estimates this for awhile and pretty good indication buster is when teams are cutting ticket operation personnel. What's up people make fifty thousand PR PEOPLE BASEBALL OPERATIONS IF THEY'RE cutting those people to save some nickels and dimes just imagine what they're gonNa do to their payrolls I mean you mentioned long in Chicago here? We're waiting on decision on Anthony Rizzo I mean I can't even believe I'm saying that that I have to wonder this is like the captain of team. Yeah. He's over thirty years old but in normal years you pick up that sixteen and a half million without i. still think they will. But the fact that we have to even wonder about it remember we talk about these team options it's It goes back to that same buster. There are no bad one year deals, and that's what a team option is. It's basically resigning your guy for one year, and if you can't afford to do that, then it is a good. Litmus test the other name in Chicago here's John Lester. A free agent is an option to turn down the twenty five million dollar auction but you'd think they'd be able to work something out to bring them back for one year when it's two hundred game as a carpet should be a no brainer like he's about you had in New York and that's open year. So I agree with you. It is just the start of of an awful winter talk agents they're just resigned to it remember it's not just the twenty twenty revenues. It's the twenty twenty, one one's We don't know if fans are going to be back in the stands in April if they are they still probably won't be co capacity. So there's all sorts of question marks about twenty one let alone what happened twenty so yes, I think reagents veteran guys with options. They are have to be prepared for what's to come, and that's why you're not GonNa send the opt out. That's the one thing we know one opting the out of contract. Now, that has that ability this year. No, and just you know SORTA head off at the pass all the response that I always get. When we talk about you know these teams owned by billionaires cutting their payrolls. Of course, they could afford it if they want to. Right. If they wanted to, they could dig into their own pockets, their own money, and they could they could pay some of these contracts, not only for the players, but as you said for the club. Employees. But the fact is, is that these are businessman running a business and they're seeing losses because of the fact that the no fans in the stands and that's a reality that affected the entire sport and just to double back on Rizzo I'd say this. Okay. Then I, agree with you I, you're shocked that we're even having this conversation about whether or not the cubs would pick up the option if he wasn't anthony. Rizzo world series hero if he wasn't Anthony Rizzo Chicago Cub. An icon someone who at some point in his lifetime there might be a statue built the. Outside of Wrigley Field I think it would be a no brainer in the current circumstances to not pick up that option Jesse because I think they're going to be so many players available at First Base D. H. that type of player without his history with a team that would be an example I. Think we're the team to go. You know what we're GONNA use supply and demand. We're GONNA go and get somebody else. What do you think? Yeah. No. I agree with you. I think you're right. If his name wasn't Anthony Grizzlies good chance of that and think about you know picking up an option almost the same thing as the guy in his third year of arbitration like if you're on tender him, it's almost like the same thing right? We're we're discussing that in. Chicago Kris Bryant his final year of. Arbitration over twenty million is that a guy that could be non tendered Kris Bryant. So this is the next question that doesn't have to be answered just yet right now in the option phase of this whole thing, but the non tenders that are coming a lot of agents are worried about that as well is my guy getting it non tender nights I don't have an answer. What arbitrations going to look like a vast agents they're not completely sure either I assume it's going to be some pro rated increased but even those smaller increases if you're going from eighteen million to twenty, one, million well could non tend to him you go eighteen, million, two, zero, and so there's GonNa be some some possibly big names that are non tendered as well. So this. This is just one of those off seasons. You don't want to be a free agent. You don't want to be caught without a contract. Unfortunately, a lot of players are going to be in that position and I want to reiterate that the supply and demand is going to be something that teams are GonNa use against the players because of the high volume of free agency. Again, begin with class of what about two hundred, and then you start looking at the players who are have been added because the team's didn't pick up their options and then you talk about the non tenders and that really is GonNa affect the numbers in the offers and you mentioned Chris Brian I I had this fascinating situation developed with a baseball executives who who's not with the cubs. You know three months ago when Brian got off to. A Slow Start I. I was going back and forth them and I said so do you think there's any way to the cubs would think about not tendering Brian if he doesn't have a good season, he goes now that's never gonNA happen the same Guy Without remembering that conversation got back to me about a month ago and he said, well, you know you got to believe the cubs are GonNa look at non tendering Kris Bryant. That's how quickly. Changed, I think in part because of what you'd said, the uncertainty of where baseball's finances are going. With. The possibility of no fans in the stands for twenty one. Yeah, it's it's it's it's awful and you you you feel for everybody involved especially those office people that have been lost their jobs I mean the cubs fire two hundred employees and these were these were important people in Utah Baseball operations. There's a reason these people were hired in baseball operations to do a job, and now other people have to pick up the slack. So it's just it's just sad state of affairs but I think I think everyone. Is Prepared for the worst this off season and that potentially based on what I'm hearing could be including a long wait for the start of the twenty one st and because of course, if they have to short season eight, the owners are going to want even more financial concessions and they got this year offset some of the the salaries that have been negotiated in the past and I i. think the players would absolutely go to war over that. Yeah and then, and then a new CBA is looming. Wells is a lot of things that and I remember you and I talked about this during the shutdown last time around that that you know some executives wanted combined some of the the conversations of twenty with twenty one and even with the new CBA, let's just hey, we've got a new reality here. Let's let's. Let's do it all. Together and then there were such a push back saying, we can't even get one summer figured out. How are we going to figure out who were three you know down the line so there's there's a lot that needs to go on behind the scenes to make baseball happen over the next couple of years here. All right, Jesse. Well, I appreciate your time. Thanks again for doing this and thanks. For your help the pot all year. Absolutely busters should be interesting off season I'll talk to you whenever you call. Seam heads rejoice. Timmy time this great game or what with ten Kirk Chin on baseball tonight and Tim Cartoon covers baseball ESPN and Tim I. I want to start with this. Thanks for all your help in the podcast this year. Well I love doing the podcast buster. So you can call me anytime at any day and I would love to help and I mostly like when you make fun of me because. Everyone else but it's all good. I noticed on twitter. There are people like sending you pictures of Rocky Balboa which is kind of exciting. We're going to go over this one more time. I. Didn't run around the hotel parking lot to the rocky. Okay. I didn't. Just aware did that for me so we'll move onto that. All right. So this morning, there's a piece written by you on ESPN DOT com about the craziest dumbest worst and in some respects best your major league baseball because of how everybody came together to have a sixty game season to put on a postseason before the dodgers wound up winning, what was the give me an example or two of the most incredible stories you heard in doing reporting. Well the the way. The way it ended with Justin Turner is just incredible. The way it started with Juan Soto is just incredible and everything that happened in between was remarkable also, and I I think baseball deserves a lot of credit for getting through this with so many things that started and finished, and I think everyone should be just grateful that we've finished the season and we got a really good October. Also, it was just the strangest thing and I kept thinking. Might, not make it. This might not make it, and then he did and didn't make it if we had had a game seven with Turner situation. So I just thought it was something that. I I want everyone to know that this was great that we got through this but please don't make us go through this again for anyone because it was just so exhausting for everyone involved. Yeah. When we zoom calls leading up to her Sunday broadcast with folks at the team level and look these are not people who are asking for way too goes but we would ask questions like you know, how are you spending your time stuck in the hotel and you know how are you guys handling this and the one that stuck out to me? It was Brian Snicker. Okay. He someone Tim. WHO's you know? He such a good person, and he's such a measured person in past years when I asked him, you know how do you spend it off day? He told me that he likes to go and walk around COSCO's and just look at stuff and that's how he likes to spend the day just such a regular guy. So I asked him during the play offs. You know how how are you getting through this? What are you doing and he explained well, we can't really go any place we stay in the hotel and in the playoffs in the National League Championship series, the braves were set up in A. Hotel that was right next to a golf course in. So but Brian Snicker did was basically when he would go down to get his coffee, he'd go out and sit and watch golfers come in Amador gophers be rolling in on the eighteenth hole and seeing how they were doing and then at about nine thirty or so he would break off to watch the show Vikings and he said that he watched I've season Vikings this year and he was fascinated by that history. You know we're talking a lot about just internal right now I think a lot more people in baseball adapted the way the Brian Snicker did. Right and that was the only way through it buster, which is what was so encouraging, which were made it. One of the best seizes ever its own right and made it. The the Wacky isn't smartest ever is that enough people did the right thing did the smart thing? They've got their way through it was difficult for everyone and yet that's what made it. A good season in the end that difficult situation people made the best of it and ultimately did a pretty darn good job. So you like so many people in the baseball industry basically lost your mind the other night when Blake Snell was taken out of the game and you and I, agree Kevin cash is a terrific manager. He's a great guy. But that it felt like a tipping point into a larger conversation Tim, you know that I've been hearing about off the record for months where people in the game or like we need to think about baseball as an entertainment product and we are just chasing these numbers way too far down the rabbit hole and I thought I had was you know this offseason? I really hope because we're going to have a lot of down time. I really hope that Major League Baseball, and the Players Association begin conversations about how to boost the entertainment value of the product because that decision, the other night was to me one of the classic examples of what concerns me about where baseball is. Now, what do you think right and disturbed is the right word buster I'm concerned I'm worried where we are right now this is how bad it is I in a radio show yesterday and not one question was asked to be about the dodgers winning the world series I got five questions and. They were all about Blake's now being taken out where are we now in this gulf between the old school guys and the analytics guys, this is not a healthy situation when a night when eighteen clinches for the first time in thirty two years then number one story was why some taken out of the game after seventy three pitches and my hope is in something like this something this controversial happened in game six of a world series that we will start to look and and see where this might lead towards bringing back away from the lyrics to. Some degree I've told you million times blustery. My father was a PhD in mathematics and ninety Undergrad. No about the numbers love mathematics. But at some point, we can't go all the way over to that side. So again, after I, talk the other night road all this stuff I must have had five, six, ten different people call me and say, we have to take game back. We have to get our game back. These are people in the sport people in uniform people who had been in uniform, and that's what they're saying is that you can. Like the analytics. But when you go too far and take a twenty, seven year, old six, four to twenty, five, kid one side, two years ago was on full rescue you take him out after seventy three pitches when he is your best chance to beat a better team that's what people are responding to, and maybe this is what you say that tipping point that this is where we start to examine. Are we really doing this the right way? So overnight, we got word that Paul hembekides wants to come on and explain that. Yes, the numbers That Kevin cash was potentially making the right decision I. Don't know if Hembo is going to go as far to to endorse it but if he makes that argument Tim, I'm just going to say no I'm sorry you're wrong. He was a bad decision and it was funny yesterday spent some of my morning calling around to people in front offices where they're analytically driven to get their opinions and those people were like, no, it was a bad decision. Clearly, ignored what was in front of Kevin Cash on the field and that was the blake. SNELL was totally dominating. Right, buster look we all know that eighteen batters in. There's a plan to take him out of the game. My whole point which has been my whole point for the last five years is we've stopped watching the Games. You got to watch the games to realize that the situation has changed. Nobody could hit that guy? Rookie. Beth was asked afterwards what did he think when Snell was taken out? He said, thank you. He was the best player on the field that night can't take. Him Out you have to recognize the number say he can't go third time through but tonight is different his adrenaline level whatever his stuff in strength is different than it's been. So we have to give him a chance at buster. Let's face it doctors are better than the raise. The raise can't go toe to toe with the dodgers on any level. The only way to beat them is severe off of the pattern and try something else, and that is let a young guy go further. Into a game that he was supposed to, and they didn't do that and to me that's where the mistake came. So I'M GONNA throw a couple of bleacher tweets at you from listeners I this from Michael Preston Mic p nineteen seventy-nine. He writes baseball like all sports is about pushing individuals to become better if you constantly deny your players the chance to do this, no one will improve the game will die. All analytics are doing is making everyone scared to push the limits and he? Asked for thoughts on that and I disagree respectfully I think in a lot of cases like we're seeing relievers like Nick Anderson, they really benefit from the study of analytics. But on the other hand I do worry tim about you know how you how this whole generation of starting pitchers are basically being taught how to not compete after five innings and that someone like Blake Snell may well have been capable of Madison bumgarner moment the other night, but you know what we'll never know because. Analytics in this case was kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. Right and buster I don't blame the players anymore. I. Lame. The system I blame that we have pampered these guys. We have condition these guys to go five innings one hundred pitches they're not prepared to do anymore because we haven't let them do anymore. Sometimes you have to let somebody be great. Sometimes you have to let an ace be an ace and take your chances and playing a team like the dodgers you have to take a risk. have to try to steal home. You have to take the extra base and you have to leave. Blake Stale in a little bit longer look I, understand a raise they went to the world series in part because of the way they beautifully use analytic. We all understand that I'm just saying once in a while you have to say we're going to veer from the course here and try something else because the dodgers. Are toogood to take them one on one Marty asked, do you see Justin Turner being suspended for participating in Tuesday night's post game celebration if so how many games would be appropriate and he writes love the show and thanks for an awesome season and Mitchell Tigers of Detroit ads this, you think just turn face a backlash from fans Tim. I would answer this way. I. Do think he's going to be suspended. I think it's going to be a lot like your Yuli Gurriel suspension when he made the racist gesture during the postseason, I think it's GonNa wind up being like four or five games. It's going to be much more about Major League baseball trying to make a statement about Turner's actions than him down for a long period of time because let's face it. There's no precedent for this and the the Union might. Push back on some of it backlash from fans and I'll just add this in free agency I. Think he'll wind up going back with the dodgers. The dodgers love him to work out a one year contract Justin turn thirty, six next month and fans. I'm sure he's going to hear it because his stories we demonstrated the top Tim by having the the Good Morning America report which you're a part of. Just shows you that the he's now he's now on the national radar and I do think you probably get some fans next year. Yeah I. Think he will and I think he should what he did was not very smart and not very responsible and I understand you want to go out there once in a lifetime moment on all these world series team that didn't win. Of course, you would want to celebrate with your teammates. But when Major League Baseball says, you're not leaving isolation, you can't leave isolation. That's the. Only. Way We got through the season busters that everyone followed the rules and to not follow them on the final day of the season just in unacceptable. So I think you'll get a suspension nothing major I think you'll get some backlash I think go back dodgers and I think he'll be a really good player for for them again next you tim thanks again for doing this all year. Okay Buster. Thank you. I. Appreciate you having me. You do a great job on this podcast and honestly elkton accordionist. Aside it's an to be honest with you I mean. Jumping into numbers. Matthew, evaluating millions of data in. The ads, Cincinnati by two hundred. Five. This is Hembo knows an Mo of course as Paulin. Makita. Researcher D. SPN. WHO's a haunt you on the show get up and we hear that his positions defined by exactly how much of a wild party is hello thanks for joining us in the last regular daily show. You know I got I was intrigued by the note that I got from Taylor that you wanted to come on and be the only human being in civilization. Defense Kevin. Cash decision to pull Blake Snell from game six. That's exactly right. I'm here buster to do the impossible I'm going to defend Kevin Cash, and that's because I genuinely believe. That he made the right decision while leaving Blake Snell. When he did now I I've heard this show and many many others rapidly destroy him for it and look they're reasonable opinions that disagree however what I'm going to do I'm going to provide you and your listeners the exact information but I believe Kevin cash used in making that decision and if you still Want to go with the original opinion. All good. But what I'm not willing to do is chalk up to analytics don't work because to be to be clear the razor here because of analytics, you don't get the game six of the world series by pulling your pitchers based off feel. I think we can agree that they use information better than anyone else in this case, it clearly backfired, but I'm gonNA. Give you what I believe on the exact numbers Kevin cash using when he made that decision. So this season buster including the playoffs when facing the opposing batting order for the third time Blake now owned. A ten point one, three era and allowed an opium of nine sixty. Both of those figures rank in the bottom five among all pitchers at least a dozen games. Now, we heard Kevin cash after the game say he didn't WanNa see Mookie Betts. Angkor Seger. Have a chance to face snow for the third time further buster I came on your podcast day of the game and said Blake's smells magic number. It's fifty because once he reaches that pitch count his stuff really starts to decline. Well, he was seventy three pitches and the numbers are even more start when he's there muster no pitcher and baseball. Bloody worst batting line from pitch seventy, five on. Then Blake Snell opponents batted three forty-nine against him with a dope near eleven hundred in those circumstances. So when you consider his lack of success year long when going through the order for the third time in his lack of success year long when his pitch count approaches or exceeds seventy five, I'd have to imagine a Kevin cash who was there for each every one of those pitches decided that information was more powerful. What he all of us were seeing in the moment what say you I hope I'll start with this qualifier I think having cash is a terrific manager and you're exactly right the razor in this spot that they were in. You know playing all the way to game six world series because of the way that they use numbers i. so respected Blake Snell. At the podium, it's being reporters defending Kevin cash to some degree not about that decision but telling reporters look he made a lot of great decisions during the year and he's a good manager that all said Mike Follow question to you would be were those numbers compiled that you just that you just read it they have anything to do with what? Happened on Tuesday October twenty seven no terms everyone everyone of those numbers, of course, from the very beginning of their season until through game two of the world series which he also started. So no the answer to your question is no would you agree the Blake sales performance on October twenty seven very different than what those numbers indicated in previous starts? Yes. In the aggregate I would buster but I would also couch it by saying he also threw the ball really well in game two. In fact, he had nine strikeouts in game two, which is when Kevin cash came out. Got Him then to. Okay. So we allowed a home to the nine hitter in game two, and then he walked movie and then he'll. At, a single on a slider Cory seager though is the third time in the order when facing bets and Seger. So cash brought an Anderson he struck out Justin Turner that Homerun he'll out to Chris Taylor with his eightieth pitch in the single he'll out to cory seager which the very similar to the one that often barnes single was his eighty eight bitch. Kevin cash was essentially doing watching history repeat itself was approaching bet that pitch count and also buster he hits obviously he had nine strikeouts the time we know that he struck out the top three hitters in each of the first two times but it was five guys in that had put the ball in play and my judgment here is at his stuff actually was. Deteriorating even though the results were quite showing that yet the pitchy through the pollock wasn't all that sharp single to Austin Barnes with a slider middle middle without much movement on it. So my opinion here is we talked about on on the show previewing game six his velocity isn't the indicator the shape of the breaking ball, and my opinion here is that even though we are watching felt like we were watching a masterful performance, we were already starting to see the stuff decline just a little bit and Kevin, cash recognized that now I would say we talked about this yesterday you can use. Analytics. Anyway you want part of my argument would be an eye and look if if Kevin cash decided, you know what I'm GonNa go batter batter as we start the third time through the order with Blake. Snell I would have understood that and you and I both know that for some reason in the last couple years mookie betts is stats against left handed pitchers are dramatically worse than against right handed pitchers. So wouldn't it have made some sense to as movies at the plate going batter to batter with Blake Snell to see if he could especially through those three guys atop lineup? Out twice each wouldn't have made some sense potentially have made some sense but I actually think that the better argument here buster is that he just brought in the wrong guy because Mickey Anderson had clearly deteriorated throughout the course of this series and also I would say as a you talked about this earlier in the week, your podcast as a series matures the advantages that you have in in bringing in these relievers out of the bullpen deteriorates because you see so many times. So if Kevin Catches whole argument here is well, I don't WanNa see. Allow. Them to see him for the third time. Well, they've already seen Nick Anderson, three times, right. So that's part of the argument here I think it's clear that his stuff was not the same and that Kevin Cash went to the wrong guy. But I think the overwhelming mountain of data and evidence that he used, which I which I just shared indicates that that was the most important thing to him was making the decision based on all the data and that's how the raise do it. You live by the sword you die by the sword. You're on one side of the argument on the other side Taylor gets to break the tie Taylor jump tell Hembo appease wrong or right Hembo you're so wrong man he. Deleted Feeler Taylor Taylor. He was dealing however he was dealing the same way towards the back end of as he was at the beginning like I said the last five, the last five guys that he faced for the ball in play against him that pitchy through to Austin Barnes was really sloppy at caught a Lotta flight but you know what? Taylor let bygones be bygones both of course is that our boy Clayton Kershaw finally got his World Series Championship and you know what that means Taylor sounded. Fish. I am wrong. Swear swear. On. With. All right. Hembo good-bye. Later Boys. Todd. Is Executive of our weekly quizzes, a graphic artists who were can be seen a ballfields all across. America. All around the world or you can go to website Todd Radim DOT COM todd I wanted your voice to be the last guest voice on the podcast. This year you've always been so great with us and so generous and you've got a hockey book coming out next week. Buster Taylor I am so excited because I'm holding this book in my hand, I got a shipment of five hundred pounds of them. The other day is called fabric of the game, the stories behind the NHL's names. In your forms, a little bit of a departure for me ocoee instead of baseball. But here we are is is available wherever books are sold starting. November third other things happening of third but this'll be the biggest that'll be the biggest news of the day for sure. All right. Let's get to this week's quiz the last quiz of the year. All right. Here we go. Guys. Which of the following dodgers dollar figures this highest. Eight the original cost to construct dodger stadium. He mookie Betts Twenty twenty one salary. See the entire combined payroll of the eighty eight world champion doctors? Or. The price that Walter o'malley paid to purchase a controlling interest in the club, which of these is biased. Wow cost to construct dodger stadium mookie Betts is twenty twenty, one salary the entire combined payroll of the eighty eight world champions or Walter o'malley's cost for by the dodgers. Rogo go port. How Go because. We're dealing twenty twenty dollars. I'll go mookie betts is salary this year. Yeah Kinda tempted to go there, and I feel like the question is sort of set setup for to go there. But and I can't remember remember the exact structure of McKie's contract and todd forgive me. But I don't I don't know whether your question includes the buyout, the deferrals how factor James. Total excluding twenty, twenty, one on the books. Wow. Okay. golly and and you know the buyout scare the the bonus schedule and how that can work I'm gonNA say Mookie Betts, his contract I agree it's the original cost to construct dodger stadium, which Oh were you million dollars What a steel mookie will be. The official number is twenty two point five next year while and just to let you guys know the entire combined payroll, the ninety eight world champion dodgers who's under fifteen and a half million dollars. Yeah. That one I kinda I knew because, of course, that was really my last year of fandom and I was remembering all when I remember when Orel hershiser got three dollars it was a huge store like Oh my God, can you believe a player got three million? So that one was quickly eliminated for me Walter Molly buying the team that was quickly eliminated I went down to two, and of course, I picked the wrong one which is fitting for how I perform in the quiz. This week This year is well tailored foster I'm sorry. It's been well documented on here. I'm not exactly a baseball guy so. I'll take the win I'll take the win I'll take my bow I'll slink into the season. Yeah. You took a win for the year but not for this week we both finished in defeat in todd that's my care. I'm a champion. Baseball questions for Taylor? No color questions for buster. It evens out. No losers buster. All right. That's what they say in the song. Go. All right, todd, I appreciate it guys. Thank you and just very briefly so much the entire season All good things to everyone out there I want to thank everyone for listening along for reaching out to me on twitter for being good friends. Good fans, I'm GonNa Miss You. Guys let survive until next season. Bleacher tweets. Already Buster bleacher tweets for Thursday. Let's do it. I, don't know if you're a ham oil boisterous. I want to throw that in there are eight or just going with one final tweet here. Tim Valenzuela rates in that, tim. Valenzuela buster. Did you ever vote for World Series Mvp or LCS MVP when you cover them if not, how does the process go down? One person one vote similar to MVP CY young men of the year rookie of the year in both leagues for the regular season can you give us a peek behind the curtain on the voting buster? Very different process during the world series. During the League Championship series they actually take votes from the broadcast partners and I have been involved in like ESPN radio. When they broadcasted particular series you know that booth has one vote and the the broadcasters talk about it, and then they submit the ballot to two Major League Baseball. That's part of how that goes down and the regular MVP is actually done by the baseball. Writers Association of America You have to anointed voters in each city. So four league, you have essentially a thirty votes for MVP for Cy Young, award for manager, the rookie of the year and those. Will be announced. I presume I haven't seen announcement to the contrary within a couple of weeks it already that does it for Bleacher tweets for today and for the season, and that is it for the podcast. Thank you so much again for listening everyone we appreciate it. It was a long slog of season. We're glad that we're getting lots of notes in tweets in that everyone enjoyed throughout this wacky or so we certainly appreciate that and do subscribe rate and review this podcast wherever you get your podcast. Yeah. Thanks so much listeners. Look. We got great feedback all year the number spike we saw this year was pretty incredible. When you think about it, you know in comparison would like the Fox world series ratings. I feel terribly honored at our numbers up this year and significantly. Bridge, that gap there that is that is quite an honor for sure I mean, Hey, we're we're doing something to drive the fans more so than Major League baseball is so baseball rob Manfred if you guys WanNa talk, we ideas over here. Let us know. Helen. Thanks again, Taylor everything did this year thanks appreciate it, and also today thanks to Tim to todd to Hembo to Jesse Rogers thanks for listening stay safe and remember hating inequality based on skin color. Something we need to fight against every single day and I wanNA finish up the pods this year as we do every year, the the last pod for our daily broadcast, and that is the reading of Greenfield's of the mind by the Lake Commissioner Bart. GIAMATTI. Please give a listen. This little piece was. Originally written one afternoon. As the class notes the class of nineteen sixty and the college, I was the class Secretary I had absolutely nothing to say about my classmates. I wrote what you're about to hear. It was properly immediately rejected by the alumni magazine. On the grounds that it was completely irrelevant to the purpose of the class notes. I accepted the judgment. Cheerfully. And then. When unaccountably two months later I became president the magazine reprinted. Remarkable but not as class notes. It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. Game begins in the spring when everything else begins again and it blossoms in the summer filling afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come. It stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it. Rely on it to buffer the passage of time to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive and then. Just when the days are all twilight when you need it most stops. Today October second Sunday of rain and broken branches and leaf clogged drains and slick streets it stopped and summer was gone. Somehow, the summer slim seemed to slip by faster this time. Maybe. It wasn't this summer all the summers that in this my forty summer slipped by so fast. There comes a time when every summer will have something of autumn in it. Whatever the reason it seemed to me that I was investing more and more in baseball making the game do more of the work that keeps time fat and slow and Lazy. I was counting on the Games de Patterns three strikes three outs, three times, three innings. And Its deepest impulse to go out and back to leave and to return home to set the order of the day ended Organiz the daylight. I. I wrote a few things this past summer the summer the did not last nothing grand but some things. That yet that work was just camouflage. The real activity was done with the radio, not the all seeing all falsifying television. And was the playing of the game and the only place it will last. The enclosed Greenfield of the mind. There in that warm bright place with the old poet called mutability does not so quickly come. But out here on Sunday October second when it rains all day. debuted ability. Never. Loses. She was in the crowd fenway city a great, a full of bluster and contradiction. When the red sox came up on the last of the ninth. Railing. Baltimore. Eight to five the Yankees. rain-delayed against Detroit meeting only to win one OR HAVE BOSTON, lose one to win it all sat in New York, washing down coal cuts with beer and watching the Boston game. Boston at one to the Yankees lost two, and suddenly it seemed as if the whole season might. Go to the last day or beyond except here was Boston losing eight to five while New York set in its family Roman put up its feet. Both landfills hurting now is ahead July hit single down the right field line crowd stirs on its feet Hobson third baseman former bear Bryant quarterback strong quiet over one hundred RBI. Goes for three breaking bowls in his out. The God smiles and encourages her a canny journeyman named Nelson Brian. Not comes to pinch hitter Bernie Carbo one time rookie of the year quick a shade too handsome. So. Laid back he's always in his soul stretched out in the tall grass arm under his head watching the clouds and laughing now he looks over some low stuff on worthy of them and then an-and coiling. Sends went out. Straight on arising line over the Centerfield wall note cheap fenway shot but all of it, the physics as elegant as the are the ball describes. New England is on its feet rory the summer will not pass roaring. They recall the evening late in cold in nineteen seventy, five, the six game of the World Series perhaps the greatest baseball game played in the last fifty years. Carbo loose and easy had une coiled to tie the game that Fisk would win. It is now eight, two, seven, one out and school will never start rain will never come Sun will warm the back of your neck forever. Now, Bailey picked up from the nationally recently big arms heavy got experienced new to the League in the club fouls off to, and then checking tentative a big man off balance he pops a soft liner to the first baseman. It is suddenly darker and later. And the announcer during the game coast to Coast New Yorker who works for New York television station sounds relieved. His little world well lit hot combed. Split second time. Has No capacity to absorb this much gritty grainy contrary reality. Cox Swings a bat stretches as long arm. Ben's back the rookie from pawtucket or broken two weeks ago with a record six straight hits kid drafted ahead of Freddie, land ranges smooth cool. The count runs to and to cock swings. The ball beginning toward the mound, and then in a Jaunty were dance skipped past riles fainting to the rights skimming the last of the grass finding the dirt moving now like some small purposeful marine creature, negotiating the green deep, easily avoiding the jagged rock of second base and traveling steady and straight now out into the dark silent recesses of center. Field. While the aisles are jammed the places on its feet, the rappers, the program, the Co Cups, and peanut shells, the detritus of an afternoon, the anxieties, the things that have to be done tomorrow the regrets about yesterday, the cumulation of a summer all forgotten while hope the anchor bites and takes hold or a moment before it had seen, we would be swept out with the tide rises up. Rice. Who Aaron it said was the only one I'd seen with the ability to break his records rice the best clutch hitter on the club with the best slugging percentage in the league rice. So quick and strong. He wants checked his swing halfway through and snap the bat in into rice. The Hammer of God sent discourage the Yankees. was overwhelming father's pounded their sons back cars pulled off the road households froze New England exalted in its blessedness and roared. It's thanks for all good things for rice and for a summer stretching halfway through. October. Riles through rice? Swung. And it was over. One pitch. Flight Center and it stopped. Summer died in New England and light rain sliding off a roof the crowd slipped out of fenway quickly. With only a steady murmur of concern for the drive ahead remaining of roar. Day. Mutability at turned the seasons and translated hope to memory once again. And once again, she used baseball our best invention to stay change to bring change on. That is why it breaks my heart that game. Not Because of New York, they could win because Boston laws that there's a rough justice in a reminder to the Yankees have house light and fragile other circumstances that Exalt one group of human beings over another. Breaks my heart because it was meant to. Because it was meant to foster in me again, the illusion of there was something abiding. Some pattern and some impulsive could come together to make a reality that would resist corrosion. And because after it had fostered again that most hunger for illusion. The game was meant to stop. And betray precisely what it promised. Now, of course, there are those who learn after the first few times. They grow out sports. and. There are others who are born with the wisdom to know that nothing lasts. These are the truly tough among us. The ones who can live without illusion or without even the hope of illusion. But I am not that. GROWNUP, or. up-to-date. I am a simpler creature. Tied to more primitive patterns in cycles. 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Quantum Ontology (WHAT IS REAL?) with Adam Becker

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Quantum Ontology (WHAT IS REAL?) with Adam Becker

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You know that I peruse the reviews news and I pick a new one to read you each week. Such as from irritated. Ebb says that one time I was hiking while listening to them. Pharaoh Equa -nology episode when I passed a lady writing a Non Ironhorse and they were both listening. I Guess The lady in the Horse to the same episode on a speaker I yelled allergies and the lady fist bumped me and and it was magic. The End to irritated ebb and all of the horses listening tall. ogies right now. Well hot damn thank you so much. Okay quantum oncology so so many syllables. What do they mean? Quantum in terms of physics deals with matter and energy at its most fundamental level and quantum comes from the Latin meaning. How much how far how? Great an extent already so many questions just to the definition of this also on policy comes from the route aunt meaning being and it is the branch of Metaphysics dealing with the nature of being so quantum ontological matter. What the hell is it? What are we made of what is real just Taco bid on your brain kiddos because this week's episode is just a hearty? It's a feast of information. It's dense it's. It's like a bucket of mashed potatoes. And it's filling like drinking a pint of gravy. It's GonNa make you question everything about life itself. What is reality? What exists exists? Why are we here but I will we cover everything about this topic? Hell no we. We have to leave at a bunch. Hell yes consider this a warm welcome. Welcome an entree into some of the basic concepts about the hiccups in observing in understanding existence. So this just has a BA in philosophy and in physics from Cornell L. and appears D. and astrophysics from the University of Michigan is a celebrated science writer and the author of the new book. What is real the unfinished quest just for the meaning of quantum physics which by the way the Wall Street Journal Calls Fascinating? The New York Times calls a thorough illuminating exploration of the most consequential quench controversy raging in modern science splendid says the Washington Post Science magazine calls it riveting so the book it's good I met this Allah in just about four years ago at Sicom camp in. He hit him his business card. which read freelance astrophysicists? I was like I like this guy and then the next year he mentioned he was pitching a book book and then the following year. He said he had a book deal and was writing it. And now here we are his book. It recounts a lot of the drama in the quantum. MM physics world's boy howdy. Is there some not only. Are you gonNA walk away with an exciting overview of what the hell the universe may be all about. But you'll also hear about some academic infighting and why it's exciting that there are so many mysteries in the universe so in between seminars and panels SICOM camp. We pulled up a couch. Ouch we got to talking. So settle in for Philosophical Physics Fun Times wherein we discuss what matter is made of and how many universes there could be and why what we think we know just does not add up and how someone could say you're wrong but maybe you're writer than everyone realizes and also how it inbox box can be a lot like a crackpot and how to tackle your dreams when they seem too big to fathom an Einstein and string theory and gravity and tunneling and wormholes and cats and more with astrophysicist author and quantum ontological Dr Adam Becker Okay yes okay. So is this good. Let me check your levels. Hi How's this. It's great radio Voice. Let's go back in time. If you will sure would it be a wormhole that I could go back in time to ask you about your childhood. Guess you could sure why not a wormhole do it or is it a different type of tunnel into time. I mean there's no there's no known way that would definitely worked to go back in time but wormholes or one of the better theories about how you could maybe do it. Okay so let's go through a wormhole now going back. Did you always like physics astrophysics. How do you? How does someone one decide that? They're into something so complex that's a good question. So Yeah See. I didn't think I was going to sit on the couch. Talk about my childhood. You trap me. Yes so when I was a really little kid like a lot other kids. I wanted to be a paleontologist because dinosaurs are awesome and then I discovered space space and decided no no spaces more awesome and so I got really into space and astronomy and astrophysics and then sort of slowly slid from astrophysics for physics just to physics and so by the time I was in high school I thought Okay Yeah I think physics is the direction I want to go in. This seems really interesting getting and I read a lot of pop physics books and they said some confusing things and in particular. They talked about two theories that said really wild and strange things about the world. One of them was Einstein's relativity and the other one was quantum physics. And you know really really weird things in both of those theories but turns out relatively doesn't require more than like early high school math okay. You don't need calculus you don't even need precalculus like it's it's just geometry and Algebra and so I learned relativity in high school. I thought oh all that weird stuff seems less weird now. I Bet when I get to college. I learned quantum physics. That's GONNA seem less. We were too. That is not what happens. You know so instead. I got to college and I started learning quantum physics and it didn't get better got worse and so I was. I was in this class where the professor was talking about one of the weird with things in quantum physics at remember. Exactly what was long time ago but you know he was saying something about how when you're not looking at things you can't talk about what's going on but that when you look things change and I I probably something like okay but what do you mean by looking. What what does that mean and we kinda got into it and I don't remember exactly how the fight went down but I just remember that at the end he said in this like really haughty disdainful voice? He said well. If that's the kind of question that you're were interested in. Then why don't you go to the philosophy department burn but but joke is on him. I'd already gone to the philosophy department. Double Major in physics and philosophy right. A lot of that was trying to route my head around like what the heck is going on in quantum physics. Because like this is this is a really. It's a really weird area. But it's all supposed to be this really fundamental theory about the fundamental constituents of the world right like the tiniest things the the the things that the things that make us up are made of right like subatomic particles and yet. It wasn't all queer what was going on and so I started digging into that and the more I dug into the waiter got. I just did that more and more in even thought you know I. I want to write a book about this because this is just so strange and I don't understand why this isn't more widely now. Am I going to feel like I'm on mushrooms. Use I mean look at the cover my book and says what is real and it's got like waving rainbow lines. Yes ooh yeah the answer is probably yes. Okay feel funny honey. Let's go back I and define. What is quantum on technology? Yes so quantum I mean. Quantum physics is the physics of the ultra tiny. Except that we think that ultra tiny things make up the world around us so although it's a physics of the ultra tiny. There's also reason to think it's just the physics of everything on Tala G. is the study of what there is of. What stuff is in the world? So quantum oncology is is is the study of. Okay what does quantum physics tell us is in the world or the title of my book. Right what is real and it is not clear what quantum physics tells us about the world. It's just not clear at all even though it's not a new theory it's been around for almost one hundred years okay. Well let's start with a theory relativity. Wish someone someone with high school. Math could understand Can you give that to me like a nutshell. Sure he sounds unsure. But that's okay right right so so here's one way of looking at what. The theory of relativity tells us so we sort of think from our everyday lives that that if I'm standing still or if I'm in a car going at like twenty miles an hour there are some things that just don't change range between those two situations like how fast might watch runs. Shouldn't change between those two situations or how far it is between my house and the movie theater down the street. That shouldn't change. You know it turns out though that these things that we think of as not changing between those two situations we call all those things in variant. Because they don't vary the in variance between those two situations aren't what we think they are. It turns out that actually the rate that my watch runs at does change between those two situations and the distance between my apartment and the movie theater down. The street does change there. There are things that don't change but those things are not distances. Were time there a combination of space and time space time okay. It's time the fourth dimension short and relativity. It is okay yeah and now quantum yes theory. Yeah Oh oh you want me to do the same thing for quantum quantum theory. Let us know what we're working with. Yes so quantum theory says that there is this something very very unusual going on in the world of the very tiny. Yes and we don't know what that is it. Is this a lot about dark matter. And it doesn't make sense that there's so much space between atoms holy Shit. I just realized writing this that Adam's name is Adam. Adam what is life also real quick the matter all around you the stuff that makes up everything you see and touch and smell and lick all that matter in. The Universe is five percent of what exists and according to NASA. Dark matter is something that we can calculate but we can't see or detect and interacts with with gravity but it doesn't emit or reflect light hence it's dark and it makes up about twenty seven percent of the universe. Something called dark energy makes up sixty eight percent of the universe and we know it's strong and it's getting stronger but we don't get what it is so just know the wisest mines alive don't don't know shit and it frustrates them enough to keep getting out of bed every morning just to figure it out dark matter sure we. We don't really know what's going on there. We know it's around but we don't know what it's made as is. There is a lot of empty space inside of atoms but that's not. That's not really what's going on here. That's not why we don't understand this what's going on instead is. It is hard to understand the relationship between the the mathematics of quantum physics basics and the world that we live because the math works really. Well we can use it to predict and explain all kinds of things but it also doesn't really look like the world around us and that's fine. You know things can be weird. It's a big world. There's plenty of room for weirdness. You thank you but it. It's it's not. There should be US story even if it's a weird story that quantum physics tells us about the world and it needs to be a story that makes internal sense. Even if it's a really really weird story your right. There's a difference between being bizarre and being internally contradictory. Yeah so what he's saying. Is that the universe kind of like a huge restaurant tab at a friend's birthday dinner where no one has accounted for tax or tip are. Are there three beverages things. Just don't add up and everyone is testy about it. The weird thing is that the standard way of answering during questions like what does quantum physics tell us about. The world around us is to say shut up. That's a stupid question. There's actually a saying in MM physics to summarize this attitude shut up and calculate oh black because now no one that was originally coined by the physicist David Merman as as like a pejorative like he was describing an attitude that other people have right He. No one actually should say that in earnest right some people do and yeah it's it's completely fucking ridiculous. These logic gaps like. I know that it's so bizarre to understand the bizarreness but what is it that so contradictory like what do we think. Don't get yes so so so there's this there's this thing in quantum physics this sort of fundamental role that the idea of measurement plays say that I want to describe I'm holding independent So you want to describe where this pen is. You know where I'm GonNa find this pin using the physics that we had before quantum physics like Isaac Newton's Physics Okay Quick Aside Newtonian physics is also called classical mechanics and it deals with objects. That aren't at a tiny tiny scale. And how they move and arrest and such so apples falling on our heads tossing your socks in the hamper from across the room. The inertia that causes you to spill hot tea on your crotch in the car all of those things exist in space and behave in predictable ways you can do that with three numbers. I can say okay. This pen is this height above the ground. As is this far off to the right and far front. That's three dollars. It's all you need. You might want to take all the information I have about where I'm GonNa find on electron or some subatomic particles in quantum physics. It's not going to require three numbers it's GonNa require on infinity of numbers scattered across all of space and this set of numbers is called a wave function okay and as the name implies it kind of waves it undulate S- smoothly right and that that wavy emotion is described by this very nice pretty equation called the Schrodinger equation and the Schrodinger equation. Kind of smells like a law of physics. It looks like you're a good candidate for a fundamental law of physics and it says that way functions you know they wave they they move smoothly and the they moved into completely Heatley determined fashion. There's nothing random or probabilistic. Okay so when we all the way into an atom or the elements that make up up an atom instead of having three dimensions X Y Z. We have an infinity of numbers to describe its location and those infinity of numbers make a wave got it look. We understand everything makes sense. We're pretty much quantum physicist now all of us just kidding but we can still celebrate it but the standard way of using quantum physics says okay way functions obey the Schrodinger equation. Except when you look when you actually look for the electron the Schrodinger equation is temporarily suspended. At which point this entire other law of physics that is completely different and contradictory comes comes in. It's it's called. The born rule is Jason. Okay it's actually named for German mathematician and physicist Max born who helped develop quantum mechanics and and was nominated for a Nobel prize by Einstein himself. But most importantly Max born is the GRANDPA of Greece's Olivia Newton. John when I I read that I had chills like multiply but yeah the born rule measures probability of a particles position and it came on the quantum seen in nineteen twenty six. And that says Oh yeah that wave function that moves smoothly. It stops moving smoothly. It goes to zero everywhere except in the spot where he found the electron. What yeah and and so this? This leads to a couple of questions for so. That's weird. Yeah why does that happen. I don't know yeah weirdness. Though is fine the real problem that the contradiction right that the gap gap and logic is okay. We have these two rules. They're not the same rule. When do we apply one? And when do we apply the other right because we need to know that because they're not the same rule all the usual answer is. Oh we use the Schrodinger equation when we're not looking when we're not making the measurement. Use The board rule when we do the problem album. Is that the idea of measurement is really really fucking day. Yeah like is it when I make a measurement does quantum mechanics. Only apply to me Adam Becker like that. That can't be right right. Does it work when a dog looks at Elektra right or or or do you need to be like better qualified. Nana's it's completely nuts and the other thing is like I said electrons are at the only things that have wave functions. This pen has away function. You have a wave function. I have away eight functioned. The Universe has away function function. Hugo weight function function quantum analogy. It's like the Oprah of the physics swirled was the wave function of the universe just waiting for billions and billions of years for someone to come along and and suddenly collapse it and you know. Have the equation. Not apply like it's just not clear when one equation applies in one another applies. There are people who would say that I am wrong about out that these are the same people who tell you to shut up and calculate if you ask them if you pin them down and try to ask them okay fine hotshot when you use one and one to us the other her. They're going to give you something. That's either internally contradictory or that contradicts the idea that quantum physics is more fundamental then Newton's physics okay and now Oh yes a lot going on a walk so the notion of do you remember snuffle up against from Sesame Street is there is nothing Lubbock is role. He's only there when when people who aren't big bird are looking at. Yeah Oh man. Big Bird is definitely not the the prime observer or quantum lots of mechanics. I can tell you that right now. Caroll Spinney does not have wake special quantum power big big big bird. It's it decide. Note Caroll Spinney as the actor and puppeteer who played big bird until his retirement last year and also did everyone else snow his name and that he also voiced Oscar. The grouch or do astrophysicists just have large brain buckets. Full of Trivia. Where were we yes? Okay so the wave function and describes the place of tiny particle collapses to appoint when it's observed this is wave function. Collapse does observing something make it exist differently so then what does that mean for us. Like if I if I am a wave function until someone looks at me and then I'm not. Yeah what does that mean for untouchability for the science and the study of being is anyone means that there's something we don't understand here it means that the story is clearly not complete. It means that shutting up in calculating is good practical advice if you want to calculate stuff but it means it can be the real story about the world like these good to ask these questions because there must be something else going on so the problem then Dan is okay. What is that story of the world and the answer is we have multiple candidates for possible story of the world and interpretation of quantum some physics? There were multiple interpretations running around. There isn't a consensus about which one is the right one. Okay so when it comes to quantum oncology are we you real what are we what is reality. How does it work? Why don't things add up between points versus waves? and and why can't we detect or describe dark matter or dark energy. Nobody know who's but there have been scratch. Paper pads in whiteboards. Just chockablock filled with theories. Let's hear if you give me some of the top ones like is multi verses one. That's one of them. That's probably the most popular one other than you. You know the non answer of shut up. That's a stupid question. So the many worlds interpretation which was developed by this joker named Hugh ever at a third in nineteen in in the mid nineteen fifties while he was a Grad student in physics. He basically got drunk on Sherry one night with a couple of physicists and then basically develop this interpretation in part to stick it to the guy he was drunkenly arguing with who was an assistant of this guy. Niels BOHR WHO's a big famous physicist so says okay. So Hugh Everett. Who has a child wrote a letter to Einstein and got a nice response and then later in his life setting on some Einstein's lectures ran with his posse? So this Hugh Everett Oh he loved booze and smoking and quantum theory and he got his PhD in it in the quantum theory at least and Niels Bohr who by the by was big deal Nobel Prize winning quantum physicists and one of like the folks who proposed the structure of an atom with the electron spinning around it and part heart of what became known as the Copenhagen interpretation that a particle exists in every position of the wave function. Until it's observed. Okay so Everett Everett. He was gently Schmidt Mart and arguing with someone from neo boards lab about Schrodinger equation which tries to find the probability of a particle at a certain certain points surfing that wave function. When we look at it okay? So they're arguing. Everett basically said look. What if it's just all Schrodinger all the time like what if that's the the only thing that plays on the quantum physics radio station is just one hundred percent Schrodinger? What if that other thing? The born rule never comes in wave functions never collapse. What does it mean to be wall to wall? Schrodinger that boxed in by shorter. He's a dead cat involved well to explain that I need. I need to bring in like the most famous thought experiment intern all of quantum physics. Schroeder's cat yes right. So Schrodinger came up with this way. Four Hugh Everett. He came up with his cat in the nineteen thirties to explain claim why he thought there was the big problem here because Schrodinger an Einstein and a couple of the other founders of quantum physics were really bothered by this problem. GEICO special name later on the measurement problem. They were really really concerned about this. They thought there was something missing from the theory. Schrodinger illustrated this by saying look you so maybe quantum particles are you know. Maybe they can perform strange tricks that wave function describing where you're gonNA find an electronic servers smeared out over all of space that kind of suggests that maybe the electron is in multiple places at once until you look but who's looking in what counts. Nobody the actually knows anyway so he said imagine that you have a box a sealed box and that box. You have a very okay slightly radioactive lump of metal and you have a radiation detector pointed at it and you have this contraption setup so that when the detector detects radiation it drops a little hammer that smashes a glass vial of cyanide. And there's a cat in there with this whole thing so basically if the lump of metal inmates any radiation the cat will die. Oh Okay so you put this all together you seal the box and you wait like thirty minutes and at this point the Schrodinger equation says okay. the chunk of radiation that that could be omitted by This metal it either has or has not been omitted and so the way function sort of says. Well it's been omitted and not admitted which means that. The detector hasn't hasn't hasn't been tripped which means that the glass vile has and has not broken so the cat in there is according to the Schrodinger equation is sort of part deadened part alive or both with dead and alive. It's in this state called a superposition. Okay which is sort of generally the state that most things are in most of the time according to shorting our equations but according to the usual way of thinking about quantum physics. This this sort of very unsatisfying. An incomplete idea that you just shut up and don't think about what it means to measure when you open the box. Then the cat is either dead or alive and somehow opening the box made that happen. And that's ridiculous Schrodinger. Schrodinger say maybe particles can be in one place or more than one place at a time but cats are either dead or alive and you open the box and find a dead cat than the minute before you open the box. The cat was either dead or dying and if you open it and find a living cat it's not like it was not entirely living before you open the box right all right so remember. Our Sherry should hammered fun loving physicist Hugh Everett arguing with the biggest fish in the physics pond. That they're Copenhagen interpretation was Boca Horse Bucky. Everett solve this problem different way. Okay Everett said no no. It's all Schrodinger all the time so when you open the box. Aren't the cats both dead and alive before you open the box and then when you open the box you get entangled with the stuff in the the box okay. Heads up on this next part. Entanglement sounds like a boundary issue in an unhealthy relationship. But it's actually kontum physics and it's cool as hell so so. Everett said sure. So what that means. Is You know the box split according to the Schrodinger equation and then when you open the box. Let's look you split into two copies. John Hello John and the reason that you don't see both the living in a dead cat is because you split and so each copy of you only sees one cat one of UC's living cat. God One of you sees a dead cat but both copies only see one cat says then every time there is a decision it splits and split and split since its disentanglement sort of contagious. This and ends up going through the the whole world so the whole world eventually splits into the dead cat and the living cat branches and this happens over and over again all the time time. And so you end up with this massive collection of universes multi-diverse what if there's three options because not everything's on a binary right. Yes so then you get three copies or what if you left the cat in there for fifteen minutes right so instead of sort of leaving it in there long enough that you had a fifty fifty shot of finding a dead Ed cat. You've probably got a living cat. Okay right sweet. So then there's two copies but somehow you're more likely to be copied. That's Ethan Living Cat and and this is another part of the problem right because because quantum physics famously only gives you answers in terms of probabilities. Most almost all the time. Yes but the SCHRODINGER equation isn't a random equation. It's completely determined so where do the probabilities come from. Well they come in when you use this other rule. The born rule born rule to refresh calculates the probability of measuring Herbs Irving Particle at a particular spot on the wave. One one way of thinking about this is to say oh well sure you know that when you open the box you're gonNA split but you don't know who which university are going to be when you open the box you don't know which branch of the wave function that you're gonna be in and so this rule is about figuring figuring out the probability that you're going to be in the branch with a living cat or a dead cat it gets really tricky well so this is the many worlds theory just one of the ways that you could try to explain the inconsistency what about your own life. Do you think about that when you are about to make a decision you know. I don't go through my life assuming that there are multiple copies of me. Well also part of the reason is that I don't subscribe to the many worlds interpretation. I think it's a reasonable option but I don't know that it's the right answer. I don't know what the right answer is i. I don't think I don't think anybody can say for sure that they know what the right answer is here because we don't have a good scientific consensus on this debate but I mean in my everyday life I mean I don't know I think pretty regular guy just two things the way I do. You wouldn't be like well I might as well make this risky choice. 'cause somewhere there's someone making the less risky choice the pufferfish. Yeah that's not. That's definitely not how I the approach my life. I do not recommend that anybody do that. Try that at home. Okay yeah does it ever. You're you're a young guy it does it ever. Does it ever trip you out that like in our lifetime. You may not figure out what's up. Yeah Yeah I mean that is frustrating right because you asked me again. We're on a couch talking about my childhood you asked me about what got me interested in this stuff in the first place. I want to know what's going on right. I wanted to know what was up. This is why I keep saying you know it's fine. If our theories are weird we live in a weird place. There are so many weird things about the world old. Have you seen a platypus like have you. Have you seen the early favorite examples of like just a weird thing in in physics. There's nothing to do with quantum anything. Have you done that Demo. Like a Science Museum where you sit in a in a spinning chair and you're holding being a bicycle wheel and then you flip you flip it upside down all of a sudden you start spinning. That's weird wheel. Feels like it's fighting you. What the what's it's going on like there's there's a good answer there right so like this is just a strange place and I want to know what's going on so on the one hand yet? It's frustrating that we might not know but on the other hand it's kind of amazing that we don't know right like we we have been doing in science. We have been thinking about this stuff for a long time and every time we discover something new find more interesting questions and this is a complete cliche around the first person to say this but the idea that that there are such fundamental things in the world that we do not understand that. We don't know why these things happen. We don't know what what like the nature of the world is and we are in it. We are of it one of the great illusions that being human and especially being human here and now in this culture like sort of foster's sisters. Is this idea that somehow we are separate from the world we are of the world we are pieces of the world This is one of the things. That's so frustrating talking about this idea that oh the rules are different when you measure. What's I'm not special? I'm of the world like I. Don't there are different rules for me than there are for anyone else. I am a piece of the world on part of the world. So we're us so is everyone we are all of a part with this strange and wonderful place that we live in and it is not clear how any of this works some other theories. Okay got multi versus many worlds. What are some mother leading theories of? What the Hell's going okay? So so another one and this is really gonNA has some people off if I decide this leading theory but it totally is and they're wrong There's there's so much controversy here like there's so much drama this is. This is a lot of what drew me to this once. I realized there's so much weird weird stuff in this area and this unresolved debate. I started wondering okay. Why is it on resolved and it turns out a lot of it has to do with just like debate and interpersonal drama between really interesting people And then I tried to find a book about it and I couldn't find once I wrote one again. The title is what Israel the unfinished quest for the meaning of quantum physics by Dr Adam Becker available wherever you get bucks. It makes a great holiday gift. He did not ask me to say that but it is legit a very good book. Another leading theory is this. Is this thing. It goes by several different names. But I I I like to call it. Pilot Wave Theory. Is this idea that when you're when you're talking about where is that electron. It isn't a place before you look and when you look you find it but there's a wave that's associated with each party call and these waves sort of guide. The motion of those particles and that wave is associated with that wave function that we were talking about before and one of the things that really clued physicists. In the early twentieth century to something really profoundly strange going going on was that they found that things that they thought were waves sometimes acted like particles and things that they thought were particles sometimes acted like waves. Yeah yeah so like something that you thought was in one place suddenly like started rippling outward like a wave something that you thought propagated like a wave and could ripple out and do all those weird things Suddenly was acting like a baseball. Like it. Just really weird. It was so this is sort of a puzzle. Like how can particles act like waves CBS and vice versa. What's going on? Why does everything seemed to have both a particle and a wave nature and the answer in this theory? The pilot Wave Theory is oh that's because is there are particles and waves and every particle has wave associated with it that determines how it moves and so that sounds really simple really cool there are problems right. There's there's problems with everything right. Otherwise there'd be no controversy the first issue though I hesitate to call it. A problem is remember entanglement you know when when things get when and things interact they they start sharing a wave so when you have to entangled particles one particle say that there are tangled and they go flying off in different directions. One of them's way over here in one of those over there right like one of them's in Mississippi. And one of them's in Calgary right okay. The one in Mississippi of it moves a little bit. That's that's GonNa Affect the pilot wave. That guides the particle in Calgary who instantaneously immediately. It happens faster than the speed of light. So that's that's weird especially because you know we can prove in the math of theory that that's what happens but you can also prove that you can't use it for signalling you can't. Let's send messages faster than the speed of light this way. So so somehow there's this subtle connection that we don't see direct evidence of when I said we don't see direct evidence we do see evidence but it's it's it's indirect evidence it's evidence that they are connected it you can't you can't use that connection. You know like no one would dispute that they were connected if you could use one to instantly make the other one you know. Send a message. But that's not how this works so in the pilot wave wave theory. There's not a wave or particle. There's a wave that the particle is Kinda surfing and it can affect the particles in numerous super super positions. But it would be faster than light which really irks some people because all Albert Einstein's relativity says nothing is faster than light so he didn't like that also Atom Adam says this was developed basic idea was developed by one of the founders of quantum mechanics. A guy named Louis Debroy and the late nineteen twenty s but but then he was convinced by some other physicists. That it couldn't be right. He dropped. It was independently rediscovered by another physicist. David Bohm in the early nineteen fifties and and she sort of fixed up the problems that were with it that Dubois had sort of left and sort of made it a fully-fledged theory and published it. And then he his life like descended into a living nightmare for mostly unrelated reasons. Yeah he got caught up in the red scare in the nineteen fifties. Yeah he he got. He got blacklisted. He ended up being effectively exiled to Brazil. Then the the. US government confiscated his passport so he is trapped in Brazil. There's a whole it's like a movie it's like a frigging spy thriller like Dude. Got The fucking short end of the stick. Okay now. This guy's life my word. He had his own work at Berkeley confiscated and then classified so he didn't have access a to it. So that it could be used on the Manhattan project and he eventually in the seventies had to have electric convulsive therapy for depression and just the saga and the drama. Some of his life and political affiliations affected the reception of his work sadly K.. But one Hiccup is that the particle surfing a pilot. Wave doesn't work with other theories like the relativistic quantum field theory. That explains what happens when you smash particles together in nearly seventeen mile particle accelerator tube underground which as discussed in the cosmology episode with. Dr Katie. Mac is not called the hard on collider. No one has found a way to unequivocally take that theory and reframe it in terms of this pilot. Wave stuff that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means that if it's right. The job isn't unfinished but there are a lot of physicists. Who Don't like this stuff for that reason? And because it's got these weird tangled history so yeah so that's another other option. Is this pilot wave theory. There are lots of other options. Do you think people get stoned and come up with their own theories and email physicist so well I can tell you that happens a lot because I get a lot of those emails some of those people by the way I think are not stoned. I think that there could be like an interesting psychology paper. Done here GonNa get some hate mail for this that like being an old retired white male engineer ear must have some effect on the brain that is similar to like cannabis or alcohol or something because those people I'm pretty sure they're sober and and they send me all sorts of wacky stuff all the time and it's not correct favorite Oh my God simulation simulating theories definitely get those I also get. Einstein was wrong in complete fraud. And here's why and I'm the only one who found it and I'm like Galileo. Oh Lay oh. I've been persecuted right. There's this there's this thing called the crackpot index. Okay wine which basically you assign more and more points to a crackpot jackpot email depending on what kinds of claims okay side note. This crackpot index is indeed a real thing and it was published in one thousand nine hundred eight by mathematical. Oh physicist John Bias and one score is determined by points with infractions. Being five points for each word in all caps ten points for mailing your theory to someone. You don't know personally and asking them not to tell anyone else about it for fear that your ideas will be stolen ten points for each statement along the lines of. I'm not a good at math but my theory is conceptually right so all I need is for someone to just express it in terms of equations. Ten points for each comparison of yourself time Stein. Twenty points for for emailing to complain about the Crackpot Index Twenty points for suggesting that you deserve a Nobel Prize thirty points for claiming that your theories were developed by an extraterrestrial civilization and and I think the worst thing on that index that you can do is compare yourself to go in that vein either. Either we're going to create simulations that are interesting indistinguishable from reality or civilizational cease to exist. Those are the two options now. What about a simulation? Okay Bob. What if the reason why we cannot reconcile the wave verses the particle and the born versus Schroeder? What if that is because it's all fake right so so couple of things that are first of all? You'd still need to have rules like if it's a simulation and a computer like in a computer we know there's still rules that the simulation runs on right so and that that means that there still has to be some internal logical coherence France right. It can't contradict itself even if it's weird so there's that but more importantly and I don't know I don't know if you're going to like this answer. I think that the simulation thing is kind of not unconvinced towards stimulation thing is fucking bullshit is it's fucking bullshit. And here's what and this is GonNa take like a sharp left. Her feet assumes that that's something something that it assumes that that's a thing that you can do which we still don't know that you can do that and it also assumes zooms that and I guess what I'm really talking about here. Is this argument that that we almost definitely live simulation right like there. Are those people who say no. No no we definitely live in one like. Oh certainly. There's almost no chance that this is like the base reality whatever that means. I really think that's wrong. Because because it assumes that technology progress it assumes a lot about the future progression of technology but it also assumes that technology always progresses through the the same inevitable stages it assumes a lot about history and culture and the nature of life and intelligent life and intelligence itself and and I think that basically all of those assumptions that go into that argument that fuel that argument are are hopelessly myopic. They're just like completely league. blinkered and narrow minded about like the wide variety of ways that that things in the world can be and that technology gene civilization and culture can be even in this world here and now like it's a very it's a very western centric male centric white eccentric rich centric argument that basically. Yeah no the inevitable progression of any intelligent being in any any logically possible universe is basically going to be lake a rich white dude born between nineteen seventy and nineteen ninety like and that's some Falkenberg. Yeah that is bullshit so and also I've been using. Maybe everything is a simulation as an excuse for why things are bad. I shouldn't do that right. Yeah I think I think two things first of all. You shouldn't do that okay. So yes clearly. We can't look at global warming and agonizing. Is it political situations in forest burning. And that time you farted in Ninth Grade History Class and people having cancer and being driven from their homelands because of greed just is a video game gone wrong and that we should give up enfold our hands in our laps and just wait for the apocalypse where that came over screen a second even if this is a simulation relation the suffering is real. Yes I am suffering suffering you tertiary gotta fix that Shit. Yeah a lot of people out there real suffering we. Can't it just shrug it off as it's all video games. Yeah exactly. How do you think that we're real? I mean yeah I mean I guess it depends on what you mean by real real but for any good meaning of that word. Sure we're real. Yeah I mean that. Is that everything I said was wrong to you. Say that there was some other universe with other laws of physics and other beings and for whatever reason they decided to build this simulation like to build a computer and inside. That computer are like there's a simulation going on we're in there we're real. We're in that simulate. We're really in that simulation. In that scenario like they're they're real entities in that simulation that that are you and me and all the things around us even if that's not how the programmers think about it like I am having experiences here in this simulation and and I have a hand over here in waving it around and a bane on the edge of the SOFA like that's all happening does the actual structure of the world at its most fundamental level. Look anything like the way we think looks probably not whether or not we're in a simulation should I think that's wrong okay. What does that mean that? We're not real absolutely not okay. So so here's the thing I think everyone. I hope everyone can agree. That temperature is a real thing like things have temperatures. You know I can. I can take my my cool nerdy infrared thermometer and pointed at the wall and it will tell me that the wall is seventy four point six degrees Fahrenheit because we live in a country that doesn't know how to measure but the thing is temperature according according to our best understanding temperature in physics that comes out of dynamics which is itself something that comes out of statistical physics. A really really interesting field of physics temperature temperature is an emergent property. It's not a property that individual subatomic particles can have it's something that only aggregate collections of stuff have so one molecule can't have a temperature but a group of them can because they're all moving route. So Adam lichens temperature to existence. It's an asking the question. Are we real. These things in this world around us can emerge out of that lower level. In the same way that temperature there is a property that emerges out of the lower level you know little jostling 's of tiny things because that's where temperature comes from. Its you know tiny object. A tiny piece piece of that wall is moving around a little bit and all that Jiggling together comes out and looks to us like temperature. That's a real thing. That wall is actually a temperature and we are here. We are having this conversation even if you know the perception that there is is such a thing as space and time is something that emerges out of some lower level of reality. They're still a space in a time that we're in even even if it's not fundamental all right you've not let me get off the hook about existing and I still do all my bullshit get through to do list. I can't okay. Can I ask. You Patriarch Questions. y'All yeah let's do it. Are you ready. I mean I never gonNa be completely ready. Right for the weirdness that is patriots. Yeah Hi Patriots. That's the right answer but before we get to your genius and weird and dry and perfect questions submitted on Patriot each episode we donate to a charity of the choosing this week. Dr Becker chose Tech Bridge girls which excites educates and equips girls from low income communities by delivering in high quality stem programming that empowers girl to achieve economic mobility and better life. Chances and tech bridge girls was one of the earliest organizations to focus on introducing girls and marginalized communities to the stem fields. And it's based in Oakland California. Adam lives so that's tech bridge girls dot org that donation was made possible by sponsors of the show until you may hear some words about them right now. Okay back to your questions travis. Danilo wants to know. How does quantum stuff staff relate to nature? What is it's role beyond technology? Oh I mean that's a great question. Quantum physics explains a huge huge variety of natural phenomena without quantum physics. We wouldn't understand why the sun shots we wouldn't understand how our eyes can see that the sun on shines we wouldn't understand. I mean this. In the most general way possible the phenomenon of solidness. Like we wouldn't understand not early why I'm not passing through this couch right now but why mike bones are solid at all in the first place for more on that topic you can see the osteology episode about bones saying quantum physics is necessary for understanding where the periodic table all of the elements comes from the end the idea of molecular structure. So all of chemistry and thus all of biochemistry and thus all of life so quantum physics explains you know or has a really important role in explaining almost every single possible natural phenomena. So it's important. Yeah so a bunch of folks asked about existence and what it really means. And why such as Lockhart Sarah yet Matthew Thomas Hill and and Sam Gordon. Who wants to know? How do you deal knowing what you know about existence and Christy Stewart wants to know? Why does it matter if we exist or not? Humans are curious if we're going to try to engage in the dangerous game of coming up with fundamental human behaviors that are true across cultures. I do think that curiosity is a really good candidate for one and also more generally and this is me stealing from my book. mm-hmm so the ideas that we get from science. The picture of the world that comes with our best scientific took theories it filters out into the wider culture. Science is a separate human activity from the rest of the human world is of a piece peace with the rest of human activity with our politics and and music and and the social sciences and the physical sciences and biological sciences these all form a unified whole and so the pictures of the world that come from science not only go out into the other sciences this is put out into the wider world like a really really simple and fast hell and total white dude example if copernicus and company company had not uncensored the earth and shown us that know the earth is not at the center of the universe. It seems hard to imagine that. That Charles Darwin or or Chucky to his friends and company would have had the audacity to suggest that humans are not at the center of Biological Co creation right. And instead that we're just another ape just another organism in in a giant tree of organisms and without both of those changes in the way that we think about the world. I mean first of all you can probably come up with your own examples here. But without both of those changes Stanley Kubrick wouldn't have been able to film two thousand one all those all those apes at the beginning and you know the con. That wouldn't have happened and there's lots of other art and culture and and just important things that have happened because of our scientific theories and vice versa. Yeah Samuel Ball wants to know has has the impossible issue of tunneling been solved yet or are there any good theories out there a tunneling. What is tunneling tunneling? So the short answer is In classical physics if I put my hand on this table and leave it here then it will will stay on top of this table but in quantum physics. There's a small chance that my hand will suddenly pass through the table but it's phenomenally unlikely because my hand is is is quite large and the probability of that kind of tunneling has to do with among other things the size of the object involved for tiny objects. Tunneling tunnelling happens all the time in fact. If tunneling didn't happen the sun would shine so we know that tunneling happens. Tunneling is not more more strange than the rest or unexplained than the rest of quantum physics. So if you can get a good picture of the world that comes with quantum physics you get tunneling thing for free you. I didn't know what tunneling wasn't till right now. I thought it was maybe something it at college kids did. It does kind of sound like this next question about something that we keep in our pants pocket was asked by patrons Julie Bear Will Matt Lack Jess Cj Stewart Hodges Mike Rach Courtney Markham Ellen Monroe Michael Preston who wanted to know why we should give rats left ear about the topic. Philip Way ry and Spencer wants to know no matter are how much I research. I don't understand quantum computing. Is there an easy way to understand. It also will all also will quantum computers replace all computers eventually like our phones owns are just supercomputers. Yes so I'm going to take the second part I. I don't think that anyone who worked seriously. In that field. Thinks that quantum computers will ultimately ultimately replace all computers. I don't even think that they're going to replace all supercomputers there were things that classical normal computers can do better than in quantum computers and vice versa. Okay and I don't think that that's going to change. Also let's explain what a con also lists. According computer is a computer that harnesses some of the strange. And now that's not a good way of saying it right because the usual way that people say it is Oh quantum computer is a computer that runs in quantum physics everything rounds on quantum physics so all computers running quantum physics then people say oh. Quantum computer is a computer that uses special properties of quantum physics to do. Do you know certain computational tricks that's not specific enough either because semiconductors which are what like the computer in your lap are and in my pocket like all computers offers are built on basically semi conducting itself is a quantum property like you can explain. You can't explain that without quantum physics a better definition of a quantum computer is a computer that uses specific quantum properties like superposition and entanglement to perform certain computations. That normal. Conventional Computers can perform as quickly in that way so it's using the superposition of say positive. Negative here there as is kind of a replacement for the the binary one zero zero one zero and so it can go much faster. Because it's an elemental level. Sort of I mean they can do some things more more quickly Basically instead of having a bit that's either one or zero you can have in the super position in And then you can take advantage Asia of some of the wave properties of matter to to give you a speedup. For certain kinds of computational algorithms the more specific you get about this the more wonky and less cool it sounds okay it is I assure you very cool. Also if you've been seeing the words words quantum supremacy lately think Google so in late twenty nineteen just a few weeks ago. Google announced that they're quantum computer which looks to be about the size of a spall chandelier that dangles in a crowd chamber. Colder than outer space is named Sycamore while the processor at small chip is Sycamore. Komo art but it needs all those kind of sparkly golden wires to function anyway a team out of University of California Santa. Barbara's labs just published a paper revealing that. Sycamore had solved dubbed a math problem in two hundred seconds. So we'd go sycamore. Who cares well a lot of people because that same math problem when beeped by an existing supercomputer it would take years to solve how many years you wonder ten thousand years? So what would take a supercomputer. Ten thousand years to calculate Sycamore. Did it in two hundred seconds like three and a half minutes so quantum computing. It might save us. He might kill us either way get hype but so you don't. I think that it's going to replace all supercomputer. I don't think anyone serious in the field things that I mean. There are people who know a lot more about quantum computers than I do. My book is mentioned quantum computing. Talk about it briefly. It's not primarily about that I touch on it because it's important but but I have talked with a lot of people who work in that field I. I don't think anyone thinks that almost everyone is wrong. I don't think this could happen. Okay Jennifer coyle wants to know. A therapist suggested to me that that one day a physicist will prove the existence of God thoughts. Get a new therapist. Fire Your frigging therapist. She is she on mushrooms. Yes no it does a safe space you can tell us if you think are therapists mushrooms. Yeah I know that's GonNa be no from your dog got it okay. Local that were here popping into say everyone is entitled to their own spiritual beliefs. So so long as it's not a pressing or screwing up other people's lives but if you're wondering if scientists tend to be atheists at a higher rate than the general public that's a Yes yes Rice University sociologist. Dr Elaine Howard. Oakland had the same question and in her twenty ten paper science versus religion. What scientists really you think she crunched the numbers so only two percent of the general? US population says. I don't believe in God but over. A third of what she describes as elite scientists tests are atheists but continues twenty two percent of the scientists who identified themselves as spiritual also described themselves as atheists. So uh-huh what does this spiritual atheist. Doctor Oakland interviewed a one. Biologist who described spirituality. Way said that feeling you get by. The seashore are looking over the endless expanse of water. Or the feeling you get considering the age of all things in existence and how long could go on sort of an awe at the totality of things. If that's what spirituality is then I get it said the biologist so while the narrative of what's controlling our existence is it ascension shadowy figure. You're in a cloud watching over US getting pissed when we lie or is it chaos mixed with chance mixed with logic and a heavy proportion of mystery. Those sources says may change. They might be different for each individual but in the end perhaps what matters most is the author keeps you inspired and the respect that you show to the fellow lumps of molecules with whom you share the universe or maybe it's all a video game. Are we real. Probably but nobody knows and that is why quantum anthology is cool. The favourite uncertainty principle job. Yes Hi Megan. So the uncertainty principle was drafted by German physicist Verna Heisenberg and. Yes breaking bad's Walter. White took his his alter ego named after this very renowned physicist who Adam explains in his book had a deep loyalty to Germany and was the head of its world. War Two nuclear program mm gross anyway. The uncertainty principle theorizes that when it comes to a particle it's momentum and location cannot be known at the same time an Adam remains on the spot for good uncertainty principle joke per listener. Julie Bear Julie. Bear wants to note favourite uncertainty principle. Joke Yeah Yeah I mean God all just flying out of my head right now except for the most boring during one the most the most boring one is this is i. Yeah I apologize to physicists. Who are listening? You've we've all heard this before and probably the person who asked this a cop pulls Heisenberg over for speeding and says surgeon. Get how fast you were going. And he says no but I know exactly where I am amazing. Yup Isabell wants now. which movie or TV show gets the best like just quantum role which movie or TV show gets? Is it best. How does quantum leap do? Oh man quantum leap Quantum leap is almost nothing to do with quantum physics. I watched that show so much grown. We're up on time travel within his own lifetime Dr Sam Beckett Steph the quantum leap accelerator. What about what the bleep do we know Gillian help but wants to know people affecting the world of reality that they see I betcha they are which is reality? What is reality? Have you ever thought about what thoughts are made. It is so mysterious decamp. Explain Oh really really. What the bleep do we know is okay so take it out of what computer? You've got an input on a thumb. Drive that you don't care about set. Set It on fire Berry. What the bleep do we know is wrong about everything and the people who are malicious? They tricked a friend. Friend of mine is in that movie. They tricked him into participating and then they misleadingly edited his contributions to make it sound like he supported. They're crazy. Stuff literally occult. Oh No okay so you heard here I okay. This next one is about string theory and is Patriot. NICK RENDERS INQUIRES string theory. Come on what the fuck. That's an excellent question. I will attempt to summarize it in the smallest janke nutshell I can string string theory. Is that particles are actually teeny tiny tiny tiny drinks which means that there could be more dimensions and also string. Theory may unify Einstein's theory of relativity about gravity with the other quantum physics that just do not comply in his book. Adam writes quote. String string. Theory doesn't describe a single universe but instead describes a string landscape a phenomenally huge number of possible universes ten then to the five hundred power or more quote. So what is happening in all those universes is my dog there. Am I still wearing this. Yellow sweater and a string theory finally reconciled the other theories. Don't Mesh together is string. Theory that dangle it hall of Science is waiting for Kiddie Halvorsen. Also asked about it Ask did Graham. TATTERSALL wants to know string theory Flimflam or science sure seems like science. I manage a wants to know. What is quantum physics? have anything to do with our consciousness. Justness eight has something to do with everything so so so on the one hand sure right so it was put boop putting my cards on the table. I see no reason to think that consciousness is not something that arises purely out of the behavior of neurons or brain. Okay I think there's a lot of good evidence for that are neurons are made of Subatomic particles of subatomic particles are governed by quantum physics. So in one sense yes yes but there's often another sense that people have in mind when they asked this question. Okay real quick. Remember Schroeder's cat. So if you observe or measure it it flips to one a position or what's measurement right. What counts as measurement? Some people will say things like well. Maybe cautiousness counts says measurement. Maybe it's when a conscious being interacts with a thing. Maybe that's what measurement is in quantum physics. A couple of things. First first of all that still leaves you with this problem of okay but but does that mean that like the wave function of the universe was waiting for a conscious being to come along also what is conscious. What do you mean by consciousness? What counts conscious? You still have that problem. Yeah really seems like a very human centric view and I'm always really wary area. Human centric views there is a mystery in human consciousness right or or there seems to be one like what is human consciousness. Where does it come from? Sure you can have different views on on how consciousness works on what it is like. There are there whether or not. There's even a mystery there but I do not see a compelling reason listen to invoke consciousness in quantum physics given their alternatives and I do not see why we would say that it is more related needed to quantum physics than to any other issues in physics like I don't think that consciousness plays a more special role in quantum in physics than it does in any other area of physics the question of consciousness. Sure whatever that's a that's a good question we can have interesting conversations about it but I don't see it as related to these questions about quantum physics Catherine w asked Adam what is an average day of your life look like so as an author. He took me through his process of writing the book which is so so so helpful no matter what you're working on and earlier off Mike had mentioned that he has adhd Adhd can see the molecular neurobiology episode with Dr Crystal Toe Worth where we touch on that and so these are his secret tips on how he accomplished these huge goals also this is earnestly life changing. I love this. What was the process of writing a book? Like oh so I it was abject terror after I got the contract because I like after I I finished partying right. It was. I realized that was on the Hook for ninety thousand words and I'd never published anything longer than about three thousand so that was completely we fucking terrifying. I had a history earlier on in my career of having difficulty getting work done and getting it done on time or getting finished I and I had by that point you know moved past that I finished my degree and whatnot but I still have this mental image of of myself as someone who had difficulty getting worked on time and so is really extra scared but I I decided okay. The only way that I'm GonNa get through this is if I plan it and then just only pay attention to whatever's in front of me because the I can't write ninety thousand words but I can write six hundred words a day and if I do that for a while eventually I'll have nine hundred thousand so so yes I outlined it and I went over the outline with my publisher and they like the outline. Of course it changed right now. No no plans to rise contact with the editor. So for each chapter outline the chapter and then I just sorta work through that outline and write a really shitty first draft and try to do six hundred words a day and what I do is I would do fifty minutes on and ten minutes off and in the ten minutes off. I wouldn't look at anything with a screen and I wouldn't read any nonfiction. I would read exclusively novels and that really helped my brain work. Because I found that out of I didn't read it all I couldn't right because of there's nothing going in. Nothing's GonNa come out ray so I I would write six hundred words a day and then get the shitty first draft and then walk away from it and then come back and clean it up and fill in all of the blank spots where I had you know where I knew. I had a quote but I had to find the quote and stuff like that and things would change and then eventually I'd have a chapter draft that I wasn't embarrassed about and send it to my editor and move onto the next one. It was terrifying. There was a lot of research involved. There was a lot of running around and interviewing people like a lot of people if you if you look in the references. They're the very beginning of the references of the book has the list of interviews conducted. I think it's like forty two interviews or something like that most of which were in person though the answer to the universe is. I don't know if it's I know I know that it's like is somewhere around. Okay this point in the interview. Another allergist had stopped into record. I'm GonNa make you wait to find out who it was. But we counted his list of interviews in the back of his book. And I love awards so yes it was indeed forty two interviews to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything is forty two for more on why you could see the hitchhiker's guide to galaxy by Douglas Atoms. Omer God Adams again. Atoms is anything fucking real. But yes Adam Becker says. Don't be afraid to start something. Start writing just just jump in shitty drafts are you. BFF should he drafts a really important. I also had. I had a spare parts been where if if I had like one of my darling so they couldn't kill like a sentence that they didn't want to get rid of but it didn't fit. I put it in there and tell myself like I'd lie to myself and tell myself that had come back and never came back on but more generally like I spent a lot of time thinking about narrative structure like my overall approach was. This is a book about really abstract ideas. Lia's people care about ideas but they generally care more about people than they care about ideas and I wanted to make it compelling. I wanted to see if I could write a book about some of the most abstract and strange ideas in physics or in all of science. That was difficult to put down and so I thought okay the way to do that is to wrap these ideas up in people stories about people so then it was a question of okay. How do I build the narrative arc that that will give me good? Excuses uses along the way to explain. The ideas introduced the new characters. That are that are GONNA come into the store and that was a real learning process for me and I spent a lot of time like lake watching youtube videos about film editing to learn like what narrative structure looked like in other forms of stories. Also Adam stuck to another edict to make a book about quantum oncology accessible. Oh and no math. That was the rule book. No Mass. There's there was one equation in the book and I didn't want to have any math in the books so I wrote it out. In words the equation was two times three equals three times to. That's that's it. And what's the shitty thing about. Quantum analogy is answering. Those may be religious questions skins or too philosophical or or two loaded questions or what's the shittiest thing the shittiest thing is definitely dealing with physicists. who think that? This was all resolved ninety years years ago and we should just shut up and calculate there are so many of them they are wrong. There are so many good arguments about why they're wrong and why these questions are interesting uh-huh and they're still out there and and it's just kind of astonishing but is getting better. I really think that you know. As as has like a new generation comes into physics we will see more and more acceptance of these questions as legitimate areas of scientific inquiry. You know what's the best thing about quantum tells you what do you love the most about it. You get to ask the biggest questions like these. These are the biggest questions right now. Oh no you totally do. That's the best part about your job. Best part about thinking about quantum ontological. Is You get to ask questions. Like what Israel what. What's going on life and other Marvin Gaye songs? You get to ask these really deep questions about the world you get to think about these wonderful things. And it's like chemists have really good demos right. They get to blow things up and put one liquid into another liquid and suddenly it's foaming everywhere and stuff like that. Because for some reason John. You're a forty two year. Old Man needs his attention. Engines sustained with tricks. Here's some fucking mentos and like biology. You get like creepy crawly things and like cute baby chickens and things like that and like there's all sorts of stuff physics doesn't have you know cute baby checks you can have cool explosions but like chemistry really is really really sweet for that kind of thing but physics does have the truly pervasive on its side right like if you want me to talk about some of these questions in the foundations of of quantum physics I can point to literally any object and say look. Let's talk about the constituents of that object. Let's talk about why that chair assault. Let's talk about why this ring on. My finger is yellowish instead of silvery. Right all of these things. Come back to quantum physics and thus ultimately the foundations of quantum physics and. It's just amazing. Like it goes after a lot of the reasons why I wanted to go into science in the first place. So it's everything in its everywhere and we don't understand it. Yeah Costa Yeah absolutely well thank you more confused. What about my existence by job okay? There's a question mark at the end of the title of my Book Right. Thank you so what. You're doing this -olutely hey this is so much fun. Thank you for doing this with me. You're my favorite quantum ontological. Thank you so remember. Ask Smart People the big questions. Even if it's about the winless stuff because how else in the world would you discover that there was another you eating pufferfish and cutting banks and texting your crush. Also if you're jealous of that person then go do those things yourself except maybe the poisonous puzzle that means fish whatever so more links are up in the show. Notes is an alleyway dot com slash allergies slash quantum oncology and you can get merch through that site or at allergies. MERCH DOT COM. Thank you to Shannon Feltus and Bonnie Dutch for managing that once again black Friday. Twenty nineteen is the shopping code. If you're shopping this weekend I'll link in the show notes along with the nonprofit and the sponsors thank you Hannah Lippo and Aaron Albert for admitting the wonderful facebook group and Jarrett sleeper of mine jam media for assistant editing and of course to the wizard. Third of all Steve. Ray Morris who edits all these pieces together and also hosts the Kitty pod the per cast and the Dino centric see Jurassic right and the theme song it was written by Nick Thorburn of the band islands. Thank you also to emily. 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It's called the bear favor in its from a fable about a bear trying to help someone by shooing away a fly with a boulder on their face and kills them so a bear favor. y'All Paul there's a word for it. I'm thrilled it's very exciting. Okay for Packard. Dermatology Mommy out. With algae lic all analogy meteorology UH yellowish. That'll be about as much fun as a lecturer on aren't the logical empiricism. If you like what was that online counseling service. It's better hope. So whatever struggles you're saying from depression anxiety trauma grief. We we all go through things. You can connect with a professional counselor in a safe and private online environment. It's so convenient you can schedule secure video or phone on sessions as well as chat or text with your therapist. Anything you share is completely confidential and best of all. It's a great affordable option for therapy so our listeners. 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The Impeachment: Day 4

The Report

1:39:20 hr | 1 year ago

The Impeachment: Day 4

"It's January twenty four. Th Twenty Twenty today marks the fourth day of arguments in the impeachment trial of President Donald J trump and the third and final day of house managers formal presentation to senators laying out their case for removing the president from office. I murder Taylor. Senior editor at l'affaire. In the first three episodes of this podcast we condense each day of the Senate impeachment trial proceedings down to a digestible length. No commentary no analysis just the trial itself in a condensed form for the last two days house. Managers laid out to senators editors the facts and support a conviction and removal of the president and offer constitutional historical and legal context for the impeachment power. Friday was author last day to make their case and on Saturday. The president's legal team will take the lectern and offered their arguments in defense of the president. This is the impeachment episode for House Managers. Third Day of presentations. The house managers started the day by continuing the presentation of their case against President Trump for the first article of impeachment abuse of Power House manager. Jason Crowe now since we won't have an opportunity to respond to the president's presentation. I'm going to take a minute to respond to some of the arguments that I expect them to make. You will notice. I'm sure they will ignore significant portions of the evidence well trying to Cherry pick individuals statements here and there to manufacturer defenses. But don't be fooled. One defense you may here is that the aid was held up to allow for a policy review. This is what the administration told the GAO CEO at one point but evidence shows the opposite. The evidence shows that the administration didn't conduct review at anytime came after. The president. Ordered the whole Laura. Cooper was not aware of any review of the funding conducted by Dod July August or September and similarly George. Ken testified that the State Department did not conduct and was never asked to conduct a review of funding administrated by the State Department in fact on May Twenty third they anti-crruption review was completed in. Dod Certified to Congress that Ukraine complied with all of the conditions and that the remain half of the age should be released. This was confirmed by the June. Eighteenth press release announcing the release announcing the funding. And do you remember the Fictitious quote Inter Agency Review Process. Well that was made up to so no review was necessary because it had already been done next. The President's Council keeps saying this was about corruption in Ukraine president trump was not concerned with fighting. Corruption is difficult to even say that with a straight face. The president never mentioned corruption on either call with President Linski. But let's go through the evidence as we just discussed dod had already completed. A review review concluded that Ukraine had quote made sufficient progress in meeting defense reform and anti-corruption goals consistent with the National Defense Authorization Act in order to receive the funds and in fact Mark Zandi. Who was not at that meeting? But who was initially responsible for approving the hold. You said he'd never heard corruption the reason for the hold in all of the discussions he had about it. Similar to the anti-corruption argument. There are simply no evidence to support the president's after the fact argument that he was concerned about burden-sharing now that's other countries also contributing to Ukraine. Eight I imagine. The president may say the emails in June about what other countries provided to Ukraine the reference to other countries contributions in the July twenty fifth. Call Paul and testimony from Sandy about a request for information about what other European countries give to Ukraine but there is simply no evidence that ties the concern to his decision decision to hold the funding. I let's actually look at the contributions of European countries to Ukraine as a slide in front of you. It shows that other European countries have significantly significantly contributed Ukraine since twenty fourteen and the European Union and Total has given even far more than the US the EU is the single largest donor Ukraine having provided over sixteen billion in grants and loans the president's assertion that other countries did not support Ukraine is meritless and there are other reasons too. If the president's concern were were genuinely about burden-sharing he never made any public statements about it. Never ordered a review of burden-sharing never ordered his officials to push Europe to increase their contributions solutions. And then he released the aid without any changes in Europe's contributions. Finally you may hear the president's this council say that Ukraine didn't know about the hold until August twenty eighth long after the hold was implemented so therefore they could not have felt pressure. But this makes no sense I. They found out about it long before August. Twenty eighth multiple. Witnesses testified that Ukrainian showed quote impressive diplomatic tradecraft and learning quickly about the whole and of course they would know the dod release was announced in June mm-hmm and US agencies knew about it in July so it should be no surprise at the first inquiries about the aid. We're on July twenty fifth the same day as has the call you see. It doesn't matter if extortion last two weeks or two months it's still extortion and Ukraine. Certainly felt the pressure house manager. Hakim Jeffries then walk through what he argued with the trump administration's efforts to conceal the president's involvement with the campaign to pressure pressure Ukraine by announcing investigations into the Biden's and the two thousand sixteen election under federal law. The acting director of National Intelligence was required to share the whistleblower complaint with Congress period. Full stop if that had occurred the president the scheme to withhold security assistance and a White House meeting being sought by the new Ukrainian leader to pressure Ukraine for his own personal political gain would have have been exposed to prevent that from happening. The office of Legal Counsel issued a secret opinion concluding that contrary to the plain language language of the statute. The acting director of National Intelligence was not required to turn over the complaint. The cover up was in full. Swing the office of Legal Counsel Opine that the whistleblower complaint did not qualify as an urgent concern and therefore did not have to be turned over. What can be more urgent than a sitting president trying to cheat in an American election by soliciting foreign interference difference? What can be more urgent than that? That's a constitutional crime in progress. But they concluded it wasn't an urgent matter. Acting Director of National Intelligence Intelligence McGuire testified at the office of Legal Counsel Opinion did not actually prevent him from turning over the complaint to Congress and said based upon his testimony it is clear that he withheld held it on the basis that the complaint might deal with information that he believed could be covered by executive privilege but president trump never actually invoked executive privilege. He never actually invoked executive privilege nor did he informed Congress that he was doing so with respect to this complaint complaint instead. The White House secretly instructed the Acting Director of National Intelligence to withhold the complaint based on the Mayor Possibility that executive privilege could be invoked and by doing so the White House was able to keep the explosive complaint from Congress and the American public without ever having to disclose the reason why it was withholding this information but truth crushed to the ground will rise again. There's a toxic mess at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue and I humbly suggest that it's our collective job on behalf of the American people to try to clean it up president. It trump fried the cheap. He got caught and then he worked hard to cover it up. How Senator Jason Crowe then discuss the? US officials did in the wake of the freeze on the security assistance and the efforts to express concerns about the whole to the White House. Now the president's council likely we say that his lifting of the hold shows good faith they will say that. Because Ukraine ultimately received the aid without presidents alinsky having to announce the sham investigations. That there was no abuse of power as a legal matter. The fact that the president's corrupt scheme was not fully successful makes no difference. Trump's abuse occurred at the moment. He used the power of the presidency to assist. His reelection campaign. Undermining are free and fair elections and our national security curated but importantly president trump almost did get away with as discussed earlier. Presidents Alinsky agreed during his September timber. Phone call with embassador Sunlen to do a CNN interview during which he denounced the investigations on September Twelfth Alpha. Mbassador Taylor personally informed presidents Alinsky and the Ukrainian foreign minister that President Trump's hold on military assistance had been lifted and on September Thirteenth Ambassador Taylor and David Holmes met with President Zelinski and his advisors and urge them not to go forward with this in an interview. It was not until September eighteenth and nineteenth around the time the presidents Alinsky spoke with vice the president pence that the Ukrainians finally cancelled the CNN interview. The president has also repeatedly pointed to presidents Alinsky public statements that he did not feel pressured by trump. Not only unsurprising. It's also irrelevant. The question is whether president trump used the power of the presidency to course presidents Alinsky into helping him win political campaign. But we know the president's Alinsky was pressure. He kept delaying in delaying because he did not want to be upon in. US domestic politics. In fact presidents Alinsky remains under the president pressure to this day as homes testified. There are still things that Ukrainians want and need from the United States including in a meeting with the president in the Oval Office which has still not been scheduled and yes Ukraine remains at war in needs the US military aid including a that is still delayed from last year for these reasons. Mr Holmes explained quote I think the Ukrainians are being very careful. They still need us now. Going forward in fact right now. Presidents Alinsky is trying to arrange a summit meeting with President Putin in the coming weeks his first face-to-face meeting with him the tried to advance Vance the peace process house. Manager Adam Schiff ended the houses presentation on Article One by discussing how president trump alleged conduct damaged the US national security and undermine free and fair elections. Ukraine is a burgeoning democracy entangled in a hot war with Russia by withholding military aid. President trump not only denied Ukraine much-needed military equipment but also weaken Ukraine's position in negotiations over the end of the war with Russia. Because the president trump president trump's corrupt actions Vladimir Putin was emboldened at a pivotal moment ahead of those sensitive negotiations to attempt to end the war and emboldened Russia is a threat to the United States and global security around the world the president's willingness to put himself over country undercut our European allies confidence in America's commitment commitment to deterring Russian aggression and it signaled to adversaries friends alike that the president of the United States the most powerful powerful man in the world. Our commander in chief could be influenced by manipulating his perception of what was best for his personal interests. That is the core conduct of an impeachable offense. The presence abuse of power also also affected our election integrity the framers of our constitution were particularly fearful that a president might misuse or abuse the power of his office to undermine the free and fair elections at the heart of our democracy. Sadly that moment has arrived president. Trump's repeated solicitation of a Ukrainian investigation attention was a clear effort to leverage foreign interference to bolster his prospects in the two thousand election in other words to cheat in his election in our democracy power flows from the will of the people as manifest in free and fair elections one person. One vote is fundamental in our democracy. President Trump's invitation of foreign interference in the two thousand election for the purposes of helping him win an election undercut the constitution's commitment to popular sovereignty. Americans are now left to wonder if their vote matters or if they're simply pawns in a system being manipulated billeted by shadowy foreign forces working on behalf of corrupt interests of a lawless president. Over the long term this weakens our democratic Arctic systems capacity for self governance by encouraging apathy and non-participation cynicism makes it easier for enemies to influence our politics yes and undermine the national good indeed. This is precisely what Vladimir Putin intended when he meddled in the two thousand sixteen election for us to become become more cynical for us to lose faith in the notion that the American system of government is superior to the corrupt autocratic model of government that he is erected directed in Russia and sought to export to places like Ukraine. These are not the free and fair elections Americans expect or demand if foreign powers are interfering. How can we know that our elections are free from and foreign interference whether by disinformation or hacking or fake investigations? We must not become numb to foreign interference In our elections are elections are sacred if we do not act to put an end to the solicitation of foreign interference in our election by the president one of the United States the effect will be corrosive to our elections and our values future presents may believe that they too can use the substantial. The power conferred on them by the Constitution in order to undermine our system of free and fair elections that they too can cheat to obtain power or keep it that way lies disaster for the great American experiment in Self Governance as you have seen. I mean there's powerful evidence. The president trump will continue to portray the national interest to a foreign power and further undermine both our security and democracy. This creates an urgent need to remove him from office before the next election to explain the nature of that continuing threat. Let me describe Russians ongoing efforts to harm our elections. The president's corrupt refusal to condemn or defend against those attacks. His statements statements confirming that he welcomes foreign interference in our elections. So long as it's meant to help him and his conduct proving that he will persist list in seeking to corrupt elections at the expense of our security and it expense of those elections. Let's start with Russia's ongoing wing attacks on our democracy at the heart of the presence. Ukraine scheme is his decision to subscribe to that dangerous conspiracy theory. That Ukraine ain't not Russia was responsible for interfering in two thousand sixteen president trump and his men pressured Ukraine into investigating this bogus piece of Russian propaganda. Ganda and in doing so. They aided Putin's concert concerted plot to undermine our security and democracy special counsel Muller warned. That Putin's plot was ongoing. Is this in your investigation. Do think that this was a single attempt by the Russians to get involved in our election or did you find evidence to suggest trying to do this again. Single attempt I there. Is We sit here. And they expect to do it. during the next campaign not a single attempt. They're doing it as we sit here and expect to do it in the next campaign. That was special counsel Muller's stark warning and we now know that director Muller was right just the other week we saw public reporting that Russian hackers. This may be using phishing emails to attack the Ukrainian gas company Barack Obama presumably in search of dirt on Joe Biden. Those are the same tactics employed employed by the same adversary Russia. That special counsel warned about in the last election. It may be Russia once again attempting to sway our election for one candidate you this time. Through Ukraine indeed president trump to this very day refuses to accept the unanimous assessment our intelligence community and law enforcement professionals that Russia interfered in the two thousand sixteen campaign and poses a threat to the twenty twenty presidential election. And instead he used it from his own personal lens whether it is an attack on the legitimacy of his two thousand Sixteen Electoral Victory Special Counsel Most testimony July Twenty Four Twenty nineteen the day before the president's call presence Alinsky contradicted president trump's claim and that his was quote Clean Campaign Muller found that individuals associated with twenty sixteen campaign at the president welcomed Russia's offers of assistance and adjusted their political strategy so that then candidate Donald trump might benefit from Russia's assistance. When and they were subsequently asked by? US law enforcement about their activities president. Trump's advisers repeatedly lied in Helsinki in July of twenty eighteen however president trump refused to acknowledge the Russian threat to our elections when reporter explicitly asked whether he believed Putin or the US I intelligence agencies on the issue of foreign interference in the two thousand sixteen election. President Trump said quote. I don't see any reason why would be a Russia and talked about the DNC server. So let me just say that we have two thoughts you have groups that are wondering wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven't they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee? I've been wondering that I've been asking that for months and months and I've been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server I wanNA know where is is the server and what is the server saying with that being said all I can do is ask the question? My people came to me. Dan Coats came came to me and some others. They said they think it's Russia I have President Putin Just said it's not Russia I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be but I really do want to see the server very is the president of Russia standing next to the president of the United States. And hearing his own Kremlin propaganda talking points coming from the president of the United States. Now if that's not a propaganda coup you know what is it's the most extraordinary thing it's the most extraordinary thing. The president of the United Ride States standing next to the president of Russia our adversary saying he doesn't believe his own intelligence agencies. He doesn't believe you. He's promoting this Kooky crazy server. Theory cooked up by the Kremlin right next to the guy that cooked it up. Yep It's a breathtaking success of Russian intelligence. I mean this is just the most incredible propaganda coup because as as I said yesterday it's not just that the president had stayed standing next to Vladimir Ademir Putin is is reading Kremlin talking points. We'll read his own national security staff talking points but he will read the the Kremlin wants. But it's not just that he adopts the Kremlin talking points. Now you can see. President trump did not blamed Vladimir Putin and the Russian intelligence agencies who interfere in our election for the questions surrounding his victory. He did not blame the people who work for his campaign pain and were subsequently convicted of lying to our law enforcement agencies know he blamed the investigators special counsel Muller the man charged with getting to the bottom of Russia's interference in two thousand sixteen and he chose to believe Vladimir Putin a former intelligence officer rather than his own intelligence agencies. We can see a pattern here. President trump's solicit interference from Russia as a candidate in two thousand sixteen and and then his campaign welcomed Russian interference. In the election in Helsinki President Trump chose to believe Putin over his own agencies. Our founders understood at a president like Donald Trump might one day grasped the reins of power an unremorseful overreaching reaching executive faithful to himself only and willing to sacrifice our democracy and national security for his own personal. The advantage is pattern of conduct repeatedly soliciting foreign interference in our elections for his own benefit confirms that he will stop at nothing to retain his power he willfully chose to place his own personal interests above the countries and the integrity of our elections. There is every reason to believe that will continue. He has stonewalled Congress and ordered executive branch agencies organizations that work for the American people not for the president to join his obstruction. He deployed Mr Giuliani to a crane to continue advancing scheme. mm-hmm that serves no other purpose than advancing his twenty twenty reelection prospects. He attacked witnesses. Public Servants Patriots gets who stayed true to their oath and leveled with the American people about the grave national injury that resulted from the presence misconduct misconduct and he continued to urge foreign nations to investigate American citizens that he views as a threat the threat that he will continue to abuse his power and caused grave harm to the nation over the course of the next year until a new president into sworn in or until he would be reelected is not hypothetical merely exposing the president's scheme has not stopped him from continuing doing this destructive pattern of behavior that has brought us to this somber moment he is who he his that will not change and nor will the danger associated with him. Every piece of evidence supports that terrible conclusion that the president of the United States dates will abuse his power again that he will continue to solicit foreign interference to help corruptly secure his re-election he has shown neither remorse nor acknowledgement of wrongdoing. If you can believe that July twenty fifth was a perfect call that asking for investigations of your political opponents and using the power of your office to make it so as perfectly fine then and there is nothing that would stop you from doing it again. President trump is abused the power of his office and must be removed. Moved from that Office House manager vowed Jennings began to lay out the houses case for the second article of impeachment arguing that president trump abused his powers in an unprecedented way to obstruct Congress's inquiry Mr Chief Justice than senators. First of all I I want to join my colleagues just thanking you for your patience and your indulgence what I can tell you today is that we are closer today today than we were on yesterday because I'm prepared to present article to obstruction and of Congress. The second article of impeachment charges the president with misusing the powers of his high office to to obstruct the house impeachment inquiry. We are here today in response to a blanket. Order issued by President trump trump directing the entire executive branch to withhold all documents and testimony from that inquiry president. Trump's obstruction of the impeachment inquiry was categorical indiscriminate and historically precedent. Dan and its purpose was clear to impede Congress's ability to carry out its duties under the constitution to hold the president accountable for high crimes and misdemeanors as part of his effort to cover up evidence of his scheme to solicit foreign interference in the upcoming election. President trump did something no president has ever dared to do in the history of our republic. President trump directed the entire executive branch not to cooperate with the houses impeachment inquiry. President trump blocked every person who works in the White House and every person who works in every department agency office of the Executive Branch from providing information to the house as part of the impeachment inquiry. This was not about specific narrowly early defined security. Our Privacy Issues Norwood is based on potential privileges available to the executive branch. Indeed President Trump has not once asserted executive privilege during this process. This was a declaration of total defiance of the houses to investigate credible allegations of the president's misconduct and a wholesale rejection of Congress's ability to hold the president accountable. The president's order executed by his top aides substantially interfered with the houses constitutionally authorized arrived power to conduct an impeachment inquiry at President Trump's direction. The White House itself Alf release refused to produce a single document or record in response to a house subpoena that remains in full the force and effect and it continues to withhold with all those documents from Congress and from the American people but it is not just the White House following president. Trump's order the office of the vice president the Office of Management and budget the Department of State the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense all continue to route to refuse to produce a single document or record in response to seventy one specific requests US including five subpoenas additionally following president. Trump's order twelve current or former administration administration officials continued to refuse to testify as part of the houses impeachment inquiry not only current administration officials but former administration officials us as well nine of those witnesses including senior officials would direct first hand knowledge of the president's actions continue. Can you to defy subpoenas for testimony. Because of the president's order revelations of evidence harmful to the president have have only continued since the house compiled it's investigative reports recent court ordered releases under the freedom of information. Mation Act as well as this closures to the media have further demonstrated that the White House. Oh embi state. Department and other other agencies are actively withholding highly relevant documents that could further implicate the president and his subordinates. Over time these documents and this evidence will undoubtedly come to light and I asked this body to not wait to read about it in the press or in a book you should be hearing this evidence now hearing evidence now now. There is one point that I would like to make very clear. President Trump's wholesale obstruction of congress strikes at the very art art of our Constitution and our democratic system of government. The president of the United States could undertake such comprehensive obstruction only because of the exceptional powers entrusted to him. By the the American people only one person in the world has the power to ition issue an order to the entire tire executive branch. That person's senators as you know is the president and president. Trump use is that power not to faithfully execute the law but to order agencies and employees. He's of the executive branch to conceal evidence of his misconduct. Now I know that no other American Eriksson could seek to obstruct an investigation into his or her wrongdoing. In this way we we all know that no other American could use the vast powers of our government to undertake a corrupt scheme to cheat to win an election and then use those same powers to suppress the evidence of his constitutional crime. We we would not allow no. I am convinced that we would not allow any member of our state or local cool governments to use the official powers of their office to cover up crimes and misdeeds as this body is well aware mayors and governors have gone to jail for doing so sheriffs and police lease chiefs are certainly not immune. If we allow president trump to escape accountability. We will Inflict lasting damage on the separation of powers. Among our branches of government are fundamentals system system of checks and balances it would inflict irreversible damage by allowing this commander in chief and establishing precedents for future presidents to act corruptly or abusively and then use the vast ask powers of their office the Office of the presidency to conceal their own misconduct from Congress and Dan the American people and other words we would create a system that allows this president and any future president to really do whatever he or she wants. It is an attack on congressional congressional oversight. Not just on the House but also on the Senate's own ability to oversee and serve as a check on this and future presidents both Republican and democratic. Well The Times Senators have found us if Congress allows president trump's obstruction to stand ineffectively. NULLIFIES is the impeachment power senators we are the keepers the protectors the defenders of what the framers intended and we must hold any unprincipled an undisciplined executive. You're accountable senators. This is very simple. It's simple the president. President abused the powers entrusted in him by the American people in a scheme to suppress evidence escape accountability and orchestrate a massive cover up and he did so in plain site and his obstruction remains ongoing following representative Jennings House manager. Sylvia Garcia begin to outline the facts of the houses obstruction case case against the president focusing on persistent efforts from the White House to conceal documentary evidence and the president's attempts to intimidate those who chose to testify in the inquiry the president began to attack the legitimacy of the house impeachment inquiry while standing on the tarmac at Andrew Andrews Air Force Base President Trump argued that the house impeachment inquiry quote shooting will be allowed he claimed that there and I quote again. There should be a way of stopping it maybe legally really through the courts. Let's watch the president and what he had to say by. Cole was perfect. The president yesterday of Ukraine said there was no pressure put on him whatsoever none whatsoever and he said it loud and clear for the press. What these these guys are doing Democrats doing to this country is a disgrace and it shouldn't be allowed? There should be a way of stopping at maybe legally through the courts. There should be a way of stopping it soon. After president trump took the matters into his own own hands the president used as authority and his office to wage a relentless and misleading public campaign to attack the impeachment inquiry. The attacks did not end there. President trump turn from rhetoric. Eric to Action on October eighth. The White House sent a letter to Speaker. Nancy Pelosi Eh informing her that president trump which seek to completely obstruct the impeachment inquiry. They send this letter White House stationary. I shouldn't say this but I'm a lawyer but very loyalty it's an HP litter. You know. I can't do one one thing. And one page. We gotta do seven or eight. This was eight pages in it so long and no worries. I'm not GonNa read it all I'm just want to get to the bottom line. It says President Trump cannot permit his administration to participate debate in this partisan inquiry unto under the circumstances. He was just saying we're not going to cooperate in the letter is stated again. October eighth and it's signed by PAT SIP SIP alone. Who is here of course with us today as the lead counsel for the president the president did not make any claim of privilege? The president did not make any attempt to compromise. He had no valid excuse. And although were all too familiar with president trump's rhetoric and rants these words and this letter on White House stationery signed signed by his late council. Here today have consequences. These words had consequences. They were more than just ink on a page. There were more in just eight pages of words. In the days that followed president trump's agencies and officials follow his order to conceal information from Congress over the past few days. You've heard in extensive detail from all of us about some of the specific an incriminating documents that the president has withheld from Congress but again. Here's the bottom line. The House investigating committees sought a total of seventy one specific categories of documents from six different agencies and offices president trump blocked every single one of these requests. All of them the documents. President trump is withholding or highly relevant responsive it would further our understanding of the President Scheme. Here's just a sampling of the documents. We know the existence that are currently being withheld National Security Advisor. John Bolton's notes ambassador. Taylor's I I person- cable to Secretary Fun peyot emails between Oem and other agencies about the president's directive to place a hold on the Ukraine military aid in the hundreds of heavily redacted documents that the administration now turned over to third parties under Foia Court Orders Certainly the documents released pursuant to the fillet lawsuits. Were are not subject to any claims to privilege or confidentiality or burden. The administration released them publicly by contrast the president turned over nothing at response to the house. Impeachment Investigation No. Oh Documents Zero Kuzak Nada in response to over seventy requests. Seventy requests and five live subpoenas no attempt to negotiate no genuine attempt to accommodate categorical indiscriminate criminal and unprecedented stonewalling again. Never in my time as a lawyer or as a judge have have I seen this kind of total disrespect in defiance of a lawfully issued subpoena and all on President Kevin Trump's orders and it could continue because this obstruction of congress is real well and it's beyond beyond comparison. This president should be removed. Housemen Zoe lofgren dug deeper into the president's efforts to prevent executive branch witnesses from testifying before Congress. President trump also also said specific explicit orders. He directed key witnesses to defy subpoenas and to refuse to testify as part of the house's impeachment inquiry as you know the House subpoenaed acting White House chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. We wanted his testimony as at a White House. Press briefing in October. I know you've seen before Mister Mulvaney confirmed what we had suspected suspected Mister Mulvaney admitted that president trump withheld the aid to pressure Ukraine into announcing an investigation. Shen into the conspiracy theory. That Ukraine interfered in the twenty sixteen elections. Here's his words. Did he also mentioned to me in the corruption related to the DNC server. Absolutely no question about that. But that's it and that's why. We held up the money after this really stunning admission. The House issued a subpoena to require Mistral. Mulvaney to testify but on the day hey of Mister Mulvaney scheduled position. The White House sent a letter to his personal attorney. It prohibited from obeying the subpoena and the letter said Unquote. The president directs. Mister Mulvaney not to appear at the committee is scheduled deposition when he issued this order. President trump doubled down on this previous blanket order. He did so after. The House voted to approve resolution. Six six zero which in no oh uncertain terms made clear that Mister Mulvaney was being subpoenaed to testify in an impeachment investigation. This order was the first of many president. Trump also ordered another White House official Robert Blair not to testify. Mr Blair is Mister Mulvaney senior adviser and his closest aide. He was involved in communications about the hold on Ukraine aid the day after his initially initially scheduled deposition Mr Blair's personal attorney sent a letter to the house. It said quote. Mr Blair has been directed by the white the house not to appear and testify. The House also wanted testimony from John. Eisenberg the senior attorney on President. Trump's national security purity counsel as you've heard over the past few days key witnesses including Dr Hill Lieutenant. Colonel Edmon said they were concerned and by President Trump's efforts to pressure Ukraine. They were told to report. These concerns. Mr Eisenberg on the day before for his schedule deposition the White House and a letter to Mister Eisenberg's personal attorney. It said quote. The president directs. Mr Eisenberg not ought to appear at the committee's deposition. That language is starting to sound familiar. Mr Eisenberg's personal attorney then sent a letter to the house. The the letter said this. Under these circumstances Mr Eisenberg has no other option that is consistent with his legal and ethical obligations Except to follow the direction of his client and employer the president of the United States accordingly. Mr Eisenberg will not be appearing for a deposition at this time. Now that language I think's important and it's telling it shows the president. Trump's order left Mr Eisenberg with with quote no other option that is consistent with his legal and ethical obligations by directing him to defy a lawful. Subpoena President Trump created a legal and ethical problem for Mr Isenberg. I'm sure you know. Contempt of Congress can be punished punished as a criminal offence. It carries a possible sentence of up to twelve months in jail. No president has ever dared during an impeachment inquiry to officially and explicitly ordered government. Witnesses to defy how subpoenas you don't have to consider her high minded constitutional principles understand why this was wrong. It's simple really by ordering specific government officials to defy congressional subpoenas. President trump forced those officials to choose between submitting to the demands of their boss or break. The law nobody should abuse a position of power in that way but president trump's specifically ordered all three of these senior White House officials mulvaney Blair Eisenberg to defy the houses subpoenas and refused to testify president trump's efforts to conceal his actions didn't mm stop there and they didn't stop at the front door of the White House. No less than twelve other witnesses were specifically ordered not to testify one of those witnesses all rick. Brett Ball hasn't been highlighted much over the fast past few days but the way he fits into the stories worth noting president in pro trump for prevent at least twelve current or former administration officials from testifying during the houses impeachment inquiry. He's specifically forced force. Nine of those witnesses to defy duly authorized subpoenas. The facts are straightforward and. They're not in dispute. I history of our republic. No president ever dared to issue an order to prevent even a single government witness from from testifying in an impeachment inquiry second president trump abuse the power of his office by using his official power. You're in an attempt to prevent every single person who works in the Executive Branch from testifying before the House. Finally President President. Trump's orders in fact prevented the house from obtaining key witness testimony from at least twelve current or former government government officials president trump's orders were clear. They were categorical. They were indiscriminate and they were wrong oh they prevented key government witnesses from testifying. There's no doubt that's obstruction plain plane and simple. Here's representative demings again. Now let us turn to some final set set of facts in a further effort to silence his administration president trump engaged in a brazing effort to publicly attack Jack and intimidate the dedicated public servants. Who came forward to testify to be clear? These witnesses didn't seek seeks the spotlight. In this way the president the president's attacks were broadcast to millions of Americans including the witnesses their families their friends and their coworkers. This campaign wing of intimidation risk discouraging witnesses from coming forward voluntarily complying with mandatory subpoenas for documents documents and testimonies and as we all know witness intimidation is a federal crime. There is simply not enough time today to walk through each of the president's attacks on the houses witnesses Mrs but let's talk about view as I am sure my colleagues recall the House Subpoenaed Ambassador Marie your vantage pitch for public testimony ambassador. You'RE GONNA Vich. First tour was in Somalia and increasingly dangerous. Place as is that country's civil war progressed at during a different tour when ambassador Yvonna helped to open a US embassy during which time the embassy was attacked by gunmen. Who sprayed the embassy building with gunfire ambassador? yvonna vicious also served as as an vacillated to Armenia and served the US embassy in Moscow. As Chairman Shift said earlier she has served in some dangerous places around the world on behalf of our interests and the interests of the American American people President Trump's undersecretary of state for Political Affairs described ambassador. You've Ana Vich as and I quote and exceptional optional officer during exceptional work at a critical embassy in cave but during Ambassador Ivana pitches public testimony. President Trump tweeted everywhere. Marie Ivanovich went turned bad. She started off in Somalia. How did that go then? Fast forward to Ukraine where the new Ukrainian president spoke unfavourably about her in my second phone call with him it is the US. Presidents Outright are absolute right to appoint ambassadors and that same hearing chairmanship asked Ambassador Ivanovich for her reactions to to the president's attacks during her testimony before the House. Let's listen to that exchange buster Mr you showing the courage to come forward today. Testify notwithstanding the fact you're by by the White House or State Department not to notwithstanding the fact that as you testified earlier the president implicitly threatened you in that call record and now the president real time is attacking you. What effect effect do you think that has on other witnesses? Willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing and it's very intimidating imitating designed to intimidate. Is it not. I can't speak to what the president he's trying to do but I think the effect is to be intimidating. Well I want to let you know about after that. Some of us here take witness intimidation varies very seriously. In addition to his relentless attack back on witnesses who testified in connection to the houses impeachment inquiry the president also repeatedly threatened and attacked the member of the intelligence community who found the anonymous whistleblower complaint in more than one hundred. It's statements about the whistle blower over a period of just two months. The president publicly question the whistleblowers motives and disputed the accuracy of the whistle blowers account but most disturbing president trump trump issued a threat against the whistle blower and those who provided information to the whistle blower. Let's listen our nose person again. Whistle blower the information is not supposed to I. Why aren't we used to the old days? SMART spies entries it differently the the baton was then passed from house manager. jerrold Nadler Tizzy Lofgren who described the history and Law of impeachment investigations. Making the case that President Trump's actions are unprecedented obstructive and threaten the separation Asian of powers now that we have carefully reviewed the facts and have described the president's category obstruction of Congress. We address questions of law. This discussion did not abstract the President's instruction impacts of Senate directly impacts the constituents you represent sent it impacts you because your job as a member of Congress has to hold the executive branch and check. This is true no matter who occupies the White House AH which Party controls the House or Senate and the further. The president any president departs from the law and the Constitution. The more important it is for for you to do your job. I suspect that there is common ground. Here we all know that in order for Congress to do its work we must have information what what is reasonable policy. What is the administration doing? Do we support it. Should we oppose it. Should we enact legislation to correct the problem asking questions gathering information making decisions based on the answers. This is one of the fundamental functions of Congress. I suspect that we agree on this as well. Our ability to do that work depends on are gathering information. It depends on the power of the Congressional National Subpoena. Even when you make a plight requests for information from a friend the administration that request is backed by the threat of a subpoena and although the power of the congressional subpoena has been affirmed repeatedly by the courts enshrining the rules of the House and Senate and respected by executive branch agencies for centuries injuries if the president chooses to ignore a subpoenas our powers a branch of government our ability to do our jobs our ability ability to keep an administration and check our ability to make sure that the American people are represented by Congress enough just by President and is diminished. Please know that we are not talking about a disagreement over the last few documents at the end of a long production schedule we talking about a direct order from the president of the United States to completely disregard all our subpoenas to deny us all information. The president president wants to keep secrets. This is in order to deprive. Congress have our ability to hold an administration accountable. It is is a bit too new to Congress to render the president or powerful whatever the limits of legislative power in other context and whatever need may otherwise exist for preserving the confidentiality of presidential conversations in the context context of an impeachment proceeding. The balance was stuck in the favor of the power of inquiry. Accordingly President Trump's is conduct is unprecedented and actually offensive to the president's and it is inconsistent with his duty his oath to the faithfully execute the laws now that obligation to see that the laws are faithfully execute is not just about enforcing statutes. It's it's a duty to be faithful to the constitution every part of it as stated in the text and understood across history and it is the the duty he has violated by obstructing Congress. Here I WANNA make one additional point regarding the judiciary now parents. Presidents silence have an obligation to comply with the Congress's impeachment inquiry regardless of whether a court has reviewed the requests. We make this point. Even though I think president trump's lawyers would be making a mistake to raise it after all the presence lawyers can't have it both ways. They can't argue here that we must go to court and then argue in court that our case can't be heard work anyway. The house's sole power of impeachment wouldn't be sole or much of a power if the house could not investigate the president president at all without spending years litigating before before the third branch of government it would frustrate the constitution for the house to depend entirely on the judiciary to advance its impeachment related investigatory powers consistent with this understanding before president trump. The House had never before filed a lawsuit to require testimony or documents in a presidential eventual impeachment. We didn't have to know. President ever issued a blanket ban on compliance with how subpoenas or challenge Alan the house to find a way around his unlawful order in this strange and unprecedented situation. It's it's appropriate for Congress to reach. Its own judgement that the president is obstructing the exercise of its constitutional power as then and representative Lindsey Graham explain in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight during the Clinton proceedings where we served together on the Judiciary Committee. You quote the day. Richard Nixon failed to answer. That subpoena is the day. He was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress. Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress and he became the judge and jury. There's still another reason why would would be wrong and dangerous to insist that the house cannot take action without involving the courts and that reason is delay consider just three lawsuits filed by House committees over the past two decades to enforce subpoenas against senior executive branch officials. Dell's now I served on the Judiciary Committee when we decided that we needed to hear. From former White House counsel Harriet Myers in committee on the judiciary versus Myers. To Judiciary Committee tried to enforce a subpoena. That required her to give testimony about the contentious firing of nine. US attorneys the committee served the subpoena in two thousand seven. We negotiated the disk courts. Indicate you should with the White House and we finally filed sued in March of two thousand eight. We won a favorable district court order in July two thousand eight but we didn't receive testimony from Myers until June of two thousand nine. That was two years in committee any on oversight and reform versus holder. The Committee on oversight and reform tried to force Attorney General Eric Holder to produce additional national documents relating to the so-called operation fast and furious. The committee served the subpoena on October. Twenty eleven they filed suit August twenty twelve they want a series of orders requiring productions documents. But the first such ordered did not what issue until August twenty fourteen nearly three years in committee on the judiciary versus mcgann. The House Judiciary Committee Committee sought to enforce a subpoena. To require White House counsel Don mcgann to give testimony regarding matters relating to the special counsel also investigation. Now we serve that subpoena in April of last year we filed suit in August August of last year. We won a favorable district court order in November of last year. The Court of Appeals has stayed that ruling and didn't hear arguments until early this month with an opinion and potentially likely Supreme Court application likely to follow. We will not. I have an answer likely this year. Sometimes courts move quickly but here they haven't not at all. Even when the House urges expedited action it usually takes years not months to get evidence through judicial proceedings now. The president can't put off impeachment four years by ordering total defiance of the House and then insist that court go to court even as he argues that they can't go to court. That's especially true with the president. Just doesn't just raise one or two objections to specific subpoenas but orders a blanket government wide cover up of all evidence that kind of order makes this clear the presidency's himself completely completely immune from any accountability above the law it reveals his pretensions really to absolute power house manager. Hockey Jeffries then engage directly with President. Trump's arguments that he did not have a legal obligation to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry president trump's trump's defense appears to be. I can do whatever I want to do. Only I can fix it. I hi in the Chosen One then. I have an article to where I have the right to do. Whatever I want does president? Nobody knows the system better than me. Which is why I alone can fix it? Somebody had to do it. I am the Chosen One. Somebody had to do it. Is that who we are. As a democracy. President trump can't address the substance of our case. He therefore complains about process process but these procedural complaints are baseless excuses and they do not justify his attempts to hide the truth both from Congress and from the American people. The president's arguments fail for four simple reasons. I The house not. The president has the sole power of impeachment and so power to determine the rules of its proceedings. That's Article One section. Two of the Constitution second president trump's due process argument argument has no basis in law no basis in fact no basis in the constitution. President trump may not preemptively denied nine any and all cooperation to the house and then assert that. The house's procedures are illegitimate because they lack his cooperation third president trump's claim that he is being treated differently completely lacks merit despite what he contends. The House provided president trump with greater protection than what was given to both president. Nixon and President Clinton the fact that president trump failed to take advantage of these procedural protections does not mean they did not exist. President trump is not the first president to complain about house procedures. He won't be the last. He's not the first want to challenge the motives of any investigation. Or certainly an impeachment inquiry such complaints or standard operating procedure from the article. Two executive branch presidents Johnson President Nixon President Clinton had plenty of complaints but no president no president. No president has treated such objections. As as a basis for withholding evidence let alone categorically defying every single subpoena none except Donald John Trump and if a president can defy congress on such fragile outgrounds. Then it is difficult to imagine why any future president whatever comply with an impeachment peach mint or investigative subpoena again. History impeachments have been rare and the Supreme Court what has made clear. That is wary of intruding on matters of impeachment. This of course leaves room for Inter her branch negotiation but it does not allow the president to engage in blanket. Defiance president in trump's objections are not genuinely rooted in the law. They are not good faith legal arguments. We know that because president trump said early early on he would fight. All subpoenas must now. Adjust the president's so-called due process and fairness arguments. The president has phrase some of his complaints in the language of due process. He has complained complain that the procedures were not fair even though they reflect prior practice and strike a reasonable balance between presidential involvement on the one hand and the houses obligation to find the truth on the other presidents come and presidents presidents go they have all sharply criticized house procedures but no president has ever treated those objections as a basis for complete complete defiance. No president has ever done that in the context of a house impeachment inquiry. It's fair to say that the president is a suspect. A suspect who may have committed a high crime or misdemeanor. He cannot tell the -tective 's investigating instigating the possible constitutional crime. What they should do in the context of their investigation? The president's October Eighth Letter Mississippi lonely complaints that he was denied the most basic protections demanded by due process basis under the constitution and by fundamental fairness including the right to cross examine witnesses to call witnesses to receive transcripts of testimony to have have access to evidence and have council president president. It sounds terrible but it's not accurate. The president appears to have mistaken the initial phases of the impeachment inquiry for a full blown. Trial the trial phase of the impeachment inquiry is taking place right now chairman Peter Dino Judiciary Committee once observed doc as it relates to the impeachment proceedings against President Nixon. A right but a privilege or courtesy for the president to participate through council in a peace. Nick is not a trial rather rather entails a collection evaluation of facts before the trial occurs in that respect the house acts like doc a grand jury or prosecutor investigating the evidence to determine whether charges a warranted or not federal grand. Juries and prosecutors. Do not allow targets of their investigation to coordinate witness testimony protections that the President Label as due process label do process do not apply here because those entitlements that he saw many of which were actually afforded to him but those entitlements that he thought would not necessarily be available to any American Eric After Dinner Break House manager Jason Crowe further explored the president's legal theories about his immunity from investigation uh our founders created a system in which all people even presidents are bound by the law and accountable for their actions in addition to claiming that he is immune from criminal process. President Trump contends that he is not accountable to either Congress or the judiciary. He has invoked bizarre legal theories to justify defying congressional investigations. He has argued that Congress has forbidden from having the courts intervene with executive give branch officials disregarding its subpoenas he has sued block third parties from complying with congressional subpoenas and perhaps most remarkably you president trump has claimed that Congress cannot investigate his misconduct outside of an impeachment inquiry while simultaneously claiming that Congress. Chris can investigate his misconduct in an impeachment inquiry of course. President trump considers any inquiry to be illegitimate. If he thinks he did nothing wrong doubts the motives of Congress or decides that he would prefer a different set of rules. Let's review the president's position. He can't be investigated for crimes he can end any federal law enforcement. Awesome an investigation into him. He is immune from any state law enforcement investigation. Neither he nor his aides can be subpoenaed. He can reject subpoenas based on broad novel rejected theories and when he does reject subpoenas. Congress is not allowed to sue him but he he is allowed to sue to block others from complying with congressional subpoenas. Congress definitely can't investigate outside of an impeachment inquiry and and again it can investigate him as part of the bottom line is that the president truly believes that he is above the law. This is not our system and it never has been. The president is a constitutional officer unlike a king. He is accountable to the the constitution. But this president doesn't believe that and that's why we are here. Remember the precedent. Didn't that you set in this. Trial will shape American democracy for the future. It will govern this president and govern those who follow if you let the President get away with his obstruction. You risk grave irreparable harm to the separation of powers itself this. This leads us to a second consideration. The president's pattern of obstructing article two describes President Trump's impeachable conduct and obstructing Congress on its own that warrants removal from office. It must be noted that the president's presidents obstruction fits a disturbing patter as stated in article to President. Trump's obstruction is quote consistent with previous efforts efforts to undermine United States government investigations into foreign interview interference in United States elections. Another example is president. Trump's attempts to impede special counsel's investigation into Russian interference with the twenty sixteen election as well as the president's sustained sustained efforts to obstruct the special counsel after learning that he was under investigation for obstruction of justice. The special special counsel's investigation addressed an issue of extraordinary importance to our national security and democracy the integrity of our elections themselves rather than a special counsel's investigation however president trump sought to thwart it and use the powers of his office to do it and after learning that he himself was under investigation. President trump ordered the firing of the special counsel sought to can curtail the special counsel's investigation instructed. The White House counsel to create a false record and make false public statements and tampered with at least two key witnesses. In the investigation the pattern is as unmistakable as it is unnerving in one moment and president trump welcomed and invited a four nation interfere in an election dues advantage and the next he solicited and pressure four nation to do so in one one moment. President trump used the powers of his office to obstruct the special counsel and the next he used the powers of his office to obstruct the House impeachment inquiry the House manager shift then rose to conclude the houses presentation for the impeachment and removal of the president. President trump abused the powers of his high office through the following means number one directing the White House to defile phya lawful subpoena by withholding the production of documents sought there in by the committees that has been proved directing other executive branch agencies. He's an offices to defy lawful subpoenas withhold a production of documents and records from the committees in response to which the Department of State Office Management Budget Department of Energy Department offense offense refuse to produce a single record or document that has been proved directing current and former executive branch officials not to cooperate. Operate with the committees in response to nine administration. Officials defied subpoenas for testimony namely John. Michael Mick Mulvaney. Robert A. B. Blair. John a Eisenberg Michael Preston Wells Griffeth Russell tvos Michael Duffy Brian. McCormick and T. l.. Rick breakfast that has been proved. These actions were consistent president trump's previous efforts to undermine the United States government investigations into foreign interference in US elections that has been proved through these actions. President trump sought to arrogate to himself the right to determine the propriety the scope and nature of an impeachment inquiry into his own conduct as well as the unilateral prerogative to deny any information to the House of Representatives in the exercise of its sole power of impeachment. That has been proved in the history of the republic. No president has ever ordered the complete. Defiance of an impeachment inquiry or sought to obstruct and impede need so comprehensively the ability of the House of Representatives to investigate high crimes and misdemeanors that has been proved the abuse abuse of office served to cover up the presence own repeated misconduct and to seize control the power of impeachment and thus to nullify a vital safeguard vested solely solely in the House of Representatives that has been proved in all of this president. Trump has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as president and subversive of constitutional government to the great prejudice of the cause of law and Justice and to the manifest manifest. I injury of the people of the United States that has been proved whereas or wherefore president trump by such conduct has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to the constitution if allowed to remain in office and has acted in a manner grossly asli incompatible with self government and the rule of law that has been proved president trump thus warrants impeachment and trial trial removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor trust or profit under the United States. Dates that will be for you to determine. Let me say something about this second article. The facts of the president's defiance of Congress are very simple because because they were so uniform because they were so categorical because they are so uncontested. But do you don mistake for a moment the fact that it was simple and quick to present that course of conduct compared with a sophisticated campaign to coerce Ukraine into thinking that that second article is any any less significant than the. I do not believe that for a moment if there is no article article two. Let me tell you something. There will never be an article one. If there's no article to there will never of any he kind or shape or form being article one. And why is that. Because you've you and we lacked the power to investigate a president president. There will never be an article one whether that article one is abuse of power or that article one is treason or that article. One is bribery. There will never be an article one if the Congress can't investigate an impeachable offense if the congress cannot because the president prevents that investigate the presents own wrongdoing. There will never be an article one because there will be no more impeachment power it will be gone it will be gone. You give this president or any other the unilateral power to delay as long as he or she. She likes to litigate matters for years and years in the courts and do not fool yourself into thinking. It is anything less in April a year since we subpoenaed dom again and there is no sign of an end to that case. And I'll tell. Oh yeah when it gets the Supreme Court you might think that's the end. And that's just the end of the first chapter. It is fundamental to the the separation of powers. If you can't have the ability to enforce an impeachment power you might as well not put it in the constitution now. Shortly the presence lawyers will have a chance to make their presentation and as we will not have the ability to respond to what they say. I want to give you a little preview of what I think. They're going to have in store for you so that when you do here you can put it into some perspective. So here's what I expect that they will tell you. The process was so unfair. It was the most unfair in the history of the world because in the House they took depositions. Now of course as you know the Says the House will have the soap opera impeachment. If we want to do it by House resolution can do House resolution. We want to do it by committee. We can do it by committee you. It is not the president's place to tell us how to conduct an impeachment proceeding any more than it is the president's place to tell you how you should try it now you'll also hear. I think the second thing you'll hear from the president's team is attack the managers those IOS managers are just awful. They're terrible people especially that shift guy. He's the worst. Whatever you do do? Just don't consider the president's misconduct you'll also hear tax on the constitution. Of course it won't be framed as attack on the constitution but that's really what it represents and that is abuse of power doesn't in violate the constitution presence. Nine states have every right to abuse their power. That's the argument okay. I know it's a hard argument. Commit to make prisons have a constitutional right to abuse their power and how dare House of Representatives charge a present with abusing his power power. Now I'm looking forward to that constitutional argument by Alan Dershowitz. Because I want to know why abusing abusing power and trust is not impeachable now but it was a few years ago because the last time I checked I don't think there was a significant change. The constitution between the time. He said it wasn't peachable and the time he's saying now that apparently peachable so I'm looking forward to that argument you you may hear the argument that what the president is doing when he is obstructing Congress is protecting protecting the Office for future presence because there is nothing more important to donald trump trump than protecting the office of the presidency for future precedents. And I suppose when he you withheld military aid from Ukraine he was trying to protect future presidents and when he sought to course a foreign power to intervene in in our election he was doing it on behalf of future presidents because future presidents might likewise wish to cheat in a further election. I don't think that argument even goes very far but I expect you'll hear it here. You may hear argument that the president was is really concerned about corruption and he was concerned about burden-sharing. I won't spend much time on that because you've heard the evidence on that so so what. Do all these defenses mean. What do they mean? What do they mean collectively when you add them all up? What they mean is under article to the president can do whatever he wants? That's really it that's really it's stripped of all all the detail all the history. Onyx what they want us to believe is the president can do whatever he wants under article two and there is is nothing that you the house can do about it one of the things that we in this fellowship of officeholders understand that most people don't is that real political courage doesn't come from disagreeing with our our opponents but from disagreeing with our friends and with our own party because it means having the staredown accusations of disloyalty and betrayal. He's a Democrat in name only or she's a Republican in name. Only what I said last night if it resonated with anyone in this chamber didn't require courage inch my views as heartfelt as they are reflect the views of my constituents but what happens when our heartfelt views of right and wrong are in conflict with the popular opinion of our constituents. Now the president's lawyers have been making their case outside of this chamber threatening to stall these proceedings with assertion of false claims a privilege having persuaded this body to postpone consideration of the witnesses and documents. They now appear to be preparing the ground to say. It will be too late to consider them next week but consider this of the hundreds of documents that we have subpoenaed there. There is no cholera claim and none has been sorted to the degree that you could even make a claim that claim has been waved to the degree that even superficially a claim would attach. It does not conceal misconduct. And what's more to the degree that there were a dispute over whether a privilege applied we have a perfectly thickly. Good judge sitting behind me so let us not be fooled by the argument. That will take too long or persuaded that the trial must be over over before the state of the Union. This is no parking ticket. We are contesting shoplifting case. We are prosecuting. It is a matter of high crimes. James and misdemeanors how long is too long to have a fair trial fair to the president and fair to the American people. The American people do not agree on much but they will not forgive being deprived of the truth. Is it too much fatigue to call witnesses and have a fair. Trial are the blessings of freedom so meager that we will not endure the fatigue of a real trial with witnesses and documents President Lincoln in his closing message. Congress in December eighteen sixty two said this fellow citizens we cannot escape history we of this Congress and this administration will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance or insignificance can spare one or another of us the FI- retrial. Through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation. I think he was the most interesting president in history. He may be most interesting person. Awesome in our history. This man who started out dirt poor dirt-poor like hundreds of thousands of other people people at the time he had nothing no money no education. He educated himself educate himself but he had a brain in. That had a brilliant in that mind made him one of the most incredible not just presence but people in history. I think he's the most interesting character in our history out of the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Americans at the time. Why him why him? I think a lot about history as I know you do. Sometimes I think about how unforgiving history can be of our conduct we can do. A lifetime's work draft the most wonderful legislation help our constituents and yet we may be remembered for none of that but for a single decision we may be remembered affecting the course of our country. I believe this may be one of those moments a moment want. We never thought we would see a moment when our democracy was gravely threatened and not from without but from within Russia has a constitution. It's not a bad constitution. It's just meaningless one. In Russia they have trial by telephone. They have the same ostensible rights we do to trial. They're here evidence and witnesses but before the verdict is rendered the judge except the telephone. Annan calls the right person to find out how it's supposed to turn up trial by telephone. Is that what we have here. Trial by telephone phone someone on the other end of the phone dictating what this trial should look like. The founders gave us more than words. They gave us inspiration they may have receded into mythology. Gee but they inspire US still and more than us they inspire the rest of the world the inspire the rest of the world from from their prison cells in Turkey journalists look to us from their internment camps in China. They look to who us from their cells in Egypt. Those who grabbed top rear square for a better life. Look to us from the Philippines. Those that we're the victims and their families of mass extrajudicial killing. They look to us from Elgin prison. They look to us from all over the world they look up to us and increasingly. They don't recognize what they see. It's a terrible tragedy for them. It is a worst tragedy eighty for us because there's nowhere else for them to turn they're not gonNA turn to Russia. They're not gonNA turn to China. They're not going to turn to Europe Europe with all of its problems. They looked to us. Because we are still the indispensable nation. They looked to us. Because we have a rule of law. They look to us because no one is above that law and one of the things that separates eight sauce from those people and Elgin prison is the right to a trial so right to a trial Americans get a fair trial. And so I ask you I implore or you give America a fair trial give America a fair trial. She's worth it. Thank you sound the trial of Darnold ten. Am Saturday January. Twenty fifth and this order also constitute adjournment of the Senate without objection. So ordered Senate. Adjourned Senate adjourned until ten. AM on Saturday. We'll be back tomorrow with the President's council will make their case against impeachment of the president. Thank you for listening. The impeachment is a production of law fair and Goat Rodeo in Washington. DC from the goat Rodeo team supervising producer. Megan dulcie creative producer. Shahriar executive producer Ian Enwright from the law fair team. Susan Hennessy. 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The Impeachment: Day 9

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The Impeachment: Day 9

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I sent a question to the desk for the House. Managers thank you and Senator Murray asks the house managers yesterday when asked about why the House did not amend or reissue subpoenas after it passed its resolution authorizing. It's impeachment inquiry. The house managers touched upon the House having the sole power of impeachment as specified ed by Article One of the Constitution. Could you further elaborate. As to why that authority controls despite any arguments brought forth by members of the defense team contesting the validity of those subpoenas Mr Chief Justice and senators. That's a good question. The answer is that these were validly issued subpoenas under the house rules. The White House argument to the contrary is wrong and it would have profound negative implications for how Congress and our democracy function on January ninth. Twenty nine thousand nine hundred house adopted. Its rules like we do. Every Congress and these rules gave the committee the power to issue subpoenas. They're not ambiguous rules and here is the relevant portion action of rule eleven on slide fifty five. The house is standing rules. Give each committee subpoena power for the purpose of carrying out any of its functions and duties as it considers necessary. This investigation began on September. Ninth before the Speaker's announcement on September twenty fourth that it would become part of the impeachment inquiry umbrella. The President doesn't dispute that the subpoenas issued by these committees we're fully within their respective jurisdiction juristiction. The argument is somehow by declaring that this investigation also falls under an inquiry to consider articles of impeachment which gives is Congress actually greater authority at Somehow. It nullifies the traditional oversight authority. And this just doesn't make any sense now. The president counters that we have. I have to take a full vote on impeachment. I because that's what's been done in the past and the knicks an inquiry however. The Judiciary Committee needed a house resolution to delegate subpoena power and that's different than the committee standing rules today. President actually compels the opposite conclusion. Several federal judges have been investigated impeached and convicted in the Senate without having ever taken and individual vote authorized the inquiry and federal court recently confirmed there was no no need for a formal vote of the full House to commence impeachment proceedings but even assuming a house but was necessarily there was a vote the text of House House resolution six sixty declared that the six investigative investigative committees of the house were directed to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry whether there were sufficient grounds for the House of Representatives to exercise its constitutional power to impeach and the Committee report which accompanies resolution specifically described the subpoenas that had been issued by the investigating committees and and said quote all subpoenas to the executive branch remain in full force. So why didn't the House Committee just reissued these subpoenas after the resolution Lucien short answers they didn't need to the subpoenas. Were already fully authorized in any event even after the resolution passed the committees issue. Subpoenas gene is to Mick Mulvaney rubber Blair for other witnesses and the president. Continue to block those subpoenas the argument about a full House. Vote really's just an excuse excuse about president trump's obstruction. The president refused to comply with subpoenas before the House vote and after the house. Vote the the only logical explanation is the one that president trump gave us all along he was determined to fight all the subpoenas because entrust president trump's you according to what he said he can do whatever he wants. Mr Chief Justice here from Kentucky. I have a question to present to ask for the House manager. Shift and for the President's Council Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky attempts to ask the chief justice a question that would appear to that would appear to name the alleged whistleblower. The the presiding officer declines to read the question as submitted. The senator from Montana MR chief justice. Send the question to the desk for the House. Managers thank you. Senator Tester asked the House. Managers yesterday. Sergei Mr Dershowitz stated quote if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest. That cannot be the kind of quid pro quo. That results impeachment end quote. Do you believe there is any limit to the type or scope of quid pro quo. A sitting president could would engage in with a foreign entity as long as the intent of the sitting president is to get reelected in what he or she believes is in the public's best interest just as senator. There is no limiting principle to the argument that we heard last night from the president's team that is if there's a quid pro quo that the president believes will help him get reelected and he believes his reelection election is in the national interest. Then it doesn't matter how corrupt that quid pro quo is. It's astonishing that on the floor or this body someone who would make that argument now. It didn't begin that way in the beginning of the president's defense but what we have seen over. The last couple of days is a descent into constitutional madness madness because that way madness lies if we are to accept the premise that a president essentially can do whatever he wants engage in whatever quid pro quo he wants. I will give you this if you will give me that. To help me get elected I will give you military dollars if you will give me helping my reelection if you will give me illicit foreign interference in our election. Now the only reason you make that argument is because you know your client is guilty and dead to rights. That is an argument made of desperation. Ration- now what's so striking to me is almost half a century ago. We had a president who said did well when the president does it. That means it is not illegal. That of course was Richard. Nixon Watergate is now forty to fifty years behind us. Have we learned nothing in the last half century have we learned nothing at all. It seems like we're back to where we were. The President says it it's not illegal or Donald Trump's version under article two. I can do whatever I want or Professor Dershowitz point if it's if the president believes it helps us reelection. It is therefore in the national interest. You can do whatever he wants. In fact much as we thought that we progressed post Watergate and we enacted Watergate reforms and we tried to insulate the Justice Department from interference by the presidency. We tried to put an end to the political abuses of that department as much as we thought thought we enacted campaign finance reforms. We are right back to where we were century. Go and I would argue. We may be a the worst place because this time this time. That argument may succeed. That argument in the President says it it can't be illegal failed and Richard. Nixon was forced to resign. But that argument may succeed here here now. That means we're not back to where we are. We are worse off than where we are. That is the normalization of lawlessness. I I would hope that every American would recognize that. It's wrong to seek foreign born helping an American election that Americans should decide American elections. I would hope and I believe that every American understands that. And every American understands that's true for Democratic Presidents and Republicans. What president is not gonNA think? Here's a credible reason to investigate his opponent. What president is going to think? He doesn't have a credible reason. Or wouldn't be able to articulate one or come up with some fig-leaf they compounded the dangerous. Chris argument that they made that no quid. Pro Quo is too corrupt if you think help you re election day compounded it by saying and if what you want is targeting your rival. It's even more legitimate. That way madness lies the question from Senator Kramer and young is for the Council for the President Manager Shift regularly states that if the president is innocent he would agree to all of the witnesses and documents commenced that the managers want is the president. The first innocent defendant not to waive his rights. Mr Chief Justice Senator Senator. Thank you for that question because the answer is obviously you know. The president is not the first innocent defendant who decided not to waive his his rights. And I think it is striking and shocking that one of the arguments that has been repeatedly deployed by the house managers throughout these proceedings. seatings we heard manager Nadler say only the guilty hide evidence only the guilty. Don't respond to subpoenas and manager Nadler. Excuse me manager shift if say that this is not the way innocent people act. Of course that's contrary to the spirit of our American justice system where people aw have rights and asserting those rights cannot be interpreted as an indication of guilt that is expressly forbidden by the laws and by the Constitution and the Supreme Court explained in borden cures your versus Hayes. A case that's cited in our trial memorandum that the very idea of you've punishing someone which is what. The house managers are attempting to do here with their obstruction of Congress. Charge to say that if if the president insists on constitutional prerogatives of his office if the president insists that like virtually every president at least six cents Nixon to the American system of justice and to our principles of due process jor principles of acknowledging that rights can be defended the rights exists to be defended asserting those rights cannot be treated either as something punishable or is evidence of guilt and there would be a long line of past precedence presidents. Excuse me senator. Jones's question is for the house managers. Aside from the Houses Constitutional Impeachment Authority please identify specifically which provision or provisions if any in the house rules or a House resolution Lucien authorized the subpoenas issued by the House committees prior to the passage of House resolution. Sixty in addition please list the subpoenas were issued after House resolution six sixty specifically the subpoenas that went out after the passage judge of the House resolution were subpoenaed to John. Berg is subpoenaed to Brian. McCormack Robert Blair Michael Preston Wells Griffith and Mick Mulvaney but let me underscore something that my colleague manager Lofgren had to say and let me break this down if I can in very practical terms. What is the practical import of what counsel for the President would argue and it is this? Let's say that a Democrat is elected in November. And let's say say that any one of you that chair committee in the Senate determine that you think that the next president has engaged in something questionable. So there you you are Democratic president. Your chair you start to do oversight you issue subpoenas you start to learn more and what you learned becomes more and more concerning and you issue more subpoenas and the administration effort to cover up their misconduct. Says we're not going to comply with any of your subpoenas. We're GONNA fight all subpoenas and they come up with one bad faith excuse after another as to why they don't have to comply and as you investigate further and you're able to overcome calm the wall of obstruction. Then you begin an impeachment inquiry and that leads the passage of yet another resolution. They would argue to you that all the work you did before you determined that it merited potential impeachment must be thrown out that they were perfectly empowered to struck you and your oversight sites responsibility that you must begin with your conclusion. You must begin with collusion that you are prepared to impeach the President before you issue a single subpoena otherwise they can and say whatever you did before you got to that place should be thrown out now. We did not have the Justice Department. Do the initial investigation here. Why because bill bar turned it down the same Attorney General General Benjamin that July twenty fifth call said there's nothing to see here so there was no doj investigation? There was no special counsel investigation. It it wasn't as if someone like. Ken Starr handed us a package. And said here's the evidence now you can take up a resolution and impeachment resolution because we have done the investigative and work now. We had to do that work ourselves and they would. Have you believe that any subpoena you issue. As a part of your oversight responsibility that down the road reveals evidence that leads you to embark on an impeachment inquiry must be disregarded that cannot and is not the law so it would render the oversight function meaningless court after court that has looked at the Congress's power to issue. Subpoenas have all reached the same conclusion that is. If you have the power to legislate you have the power to oversee. Here we have a violation of the impoundment. Control Act that is Congress. This passes military spending. The president doesn't spend it. He gives no reason he keeps it a secret. We're investigating that that can't be more squarely. Within the oversight power of Congress to find out why aid we appropriated was not going out the door. They would say you can't look into that unless you're prepared to impeach the president and announce it firsthand outstanding. That's the import of that argument. It would cripple your oversight capacity and without your oversight capacity your legislative capacity. The past is crippled. Senator from Ohio Betra- chief justice is send a question to the desk on behalf of myself. Senators Toomey Cornyn Crepeau Crepeau Ernst and Miran. Thank you the question from Senator Portman and the other senators is for the council for the president. I have been surprised to hear the house. Managers repeatedly invoked constitutional law. Professor Jonathan Turley to support their position including playing a part of a video of him. Isn't it true that Professor Turley opposed this impeachment in the House and has also said that abusive power is exceedingly difficult to prove alone without any accompanying criminal allegation abusive power. It has never been the sole basis for presidential impeachment and was not proven in this case Mr Chief Justice Senators senators. Thank you for that question and that is exactly correct. Professor Turley was very critical of the entire process in the house and of the charges. That house House Democrats were considering here both the abuse of power charge and the obstruction charge and he explained that this was a rushed process that had not adequately pursued an investigation that as the senators point out in the question. Abusive power power is an exceedingly difficult. Theory to use to impeach the president and it has never been used without alleging violations the law and I think in the discussions we've had over the past week and a half we've pointed. Excuse me pointed out multiple times. Every presidential impeachment each moment in our history including even the Nixon impeachment proceedings would didn't actually lead to an impeachment have used charges that include specific acidic violations of the law in the Criminal Law. Andrew Johnson was charged mostly in council involved violation of the tenure of office act which which Congress had specifically made punishable by fine and imprisonment and even wrote into the statute that violation would constitute either a high crime. Or Hi Misdemeanor. But one of those terms to make it clear that it was going to be used to trigger an impeachment proceedings in the Nixon impeachment inquiry each of the articles of impeachment there except for the obstruction of Congress charge was sort of treated separately on the obstruction theory included specific violations of law. There were specific violations alleged in the second articles of impeachment which is often referred to loosely as the abusive power article wasn't actually titled Abusive Power. It didn't charge abuse of power. The specifications reviling law violating the constitutional rights of citizens violating the laws governing executive branch agencies unlawful electronic onyx surveillance using the CIA and others specific violations of law and clearly in the Clinton impeachment. President Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. Those are crimes and well. Professor Turley does not take the view. That crime is necessarily required. He pointed out here ear that there was not nearly as efficient basis and not nearly as efficient record compiled in the House of Representatives to justify by an abusive power charge he also was very critical of the obstruction of Congress. Theory and he pointed out that it would be an abuse of power by Congress. Senator Brown and widen asks the following question for the house managers during yesterday's Today's proceedings. The President's council failed to give an adequate response to a question related to whether acceptance of information provided by a foreign country retreat to a political campaign or candidate would constitute a violation of the law and whether offers of such information should be reported to the the FBI FBI Director. Christopher Ray who was appointed by president trump has said quote if any public official or member of any campaign is contacted by any nation state or anybody acting on behalf of Nation State about influencing or interfering with our election then that is something that the F. B. I would want to know about end quote and we'd like to make sure people tell us information promptly clearly so that we can take the appropriate steps to protect the American people and quote if President Trump remains in office. What signal signal does that send to? Other countries intent on interfering with our elections in the future. And what might we expect from those countries and the president take the last part I it would send a terrible message. Two autocrats and dictators an enemies of democracy and the free world for the president and his team to essentially put out there for all to consume. That is acceptable in the United States to solicit foreign interference and are free Rian Fair elections or accept political dirt simply to try to cheat in the next election now. The single most important lesson that we learned from twenty sixteen was that nobody should seek or welcome foreign interference in our elections. But now we have this president and his council essentially saying it's okay it is not okay. It strikes at the very heart of what the framers of the constitution will concern about abuse of power betrayal by the president of his oath of office corrupting the integrity of our democracy and our free and fair elections buying tangling oneself with foreign powers. That's at the heart of what the the framers of the constitution were concerned about. Don't just trust me. We have several folks who have made this observation. It is illegal for any person to solicit accept or receive anything of value from a Foreign Ori National in connection with U S election. This is not a novel concept. Election intervention prevention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the beginning of our nation. It is wrong. It is corrupt it is lawless. It's an abuse of power it's impeachable and it should lead to the removal of president. Donald John Trump chief justice senator from Missouri. I sent to the desk a question on my own behalf and behalf of senator. Thank you the question from Senators Hawley and Lee is for counsel for the president. United States federal courts have held most prominently in the Blue Goal. Jovic case that it it's not unlawful. For a public official to condition. His official acts on official acts performed by another public officer. Is there any application location to the allegations against president trump. Mr Chief Justice Senators. Thank you for that question Christian I think an important threshold point to make here is that we're not even in the realm of exchanging official acts. Because there's been no proof of a quid pro quo here. We're not in the realm of a situation where there's one official act being traded for another I think that we've gone through the evidence that makes it quite clear that both with respect to an off meeting with the president of bilateral meeting and with respect to the temporary pause on the security assistance the evidence just doesn't stack up to show the president trump linked. Either of those both took place the meeting and the release of the aid without Ukrainians doing anything announcing her beginning any investigations. There's nothing nothing. In transcript linking them as a quid pro quo that Ukrainians didn't even know that the there had been a temporary pause on the aid. And I could go on with the list of points on that. I think if there were any application hypothetically it would come in the realm of the fact that in foreign policy there are situations where there can be situations where one government wants some action from another and wants that action from another in a way that will condition other policies of one country. You can say what we would like you and this happens. For example with the northern triangle countries. We want you to do more to stop the flow of illegal immigration. Listen we're going to be conditioning. Some of our policies towards you unless and until you start doing a better job stopping the flow of illegal immigration. Because it's a real problem on our southern order. That happens all the time and when there's something legitimate to look into there could be a situation. Where the United States would you say you've got to do better on corruption? You've got to do better on these specific areas of corruption. Or we're not going to be able to keep having the same relationship voice you one example like that. I believe we've pointed out that Aid was held up to Afghanistan. Prison trump held up aid to Afghanistan specifically typically because of concerns about corruption. And in situations like that there'd be nothing wrong whatsoever with conditioning. One on policy approach on a foreign country modifying their policy to be more in line to tune more directly to use interest. That's part the foreign policy is all about. And that could arise in the situation of even Investigations Senator Thune and the other senators. I ask the Council for the President on March six twenty nineteen speaker. Nancy Pelosi said quote impeachment is so divisive licensed to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan. I don't think we should go down that path because it divides the country. Ah End Quote Alexander. Hamilton also warned in federal a sixty five against the quote persecution of an intemperate or designing majority in the House of Representatives with respect to impeachment in evaluating the case against the president should the Senate take into account the partisan nature of the impeachment proceedings in the house. Thank you MR chief justice members of the the Senate absolutely. You should take that into account. That's dispositive that should end it based on the statements that we heard the last time from our friends on the democratic side. That's a reason why you shouldn't have an impeachment speaker. Pelosi was right when she said that it's political the election election interference. And it's wrong. They don't talk about up the horrible consequences to our country of doing that but they would be terrible. They would tear us apart for generations and the American people wouldn't accept it. Let me address in that context the importance of the vote for their inquiry which also had bipartisan opposition. Senator from Illinois. I send a question Shantou the desk for the House. Managers thank you. The question from Senator Hirono for the House. Managers reads as follows in contrast to arguments by the President's council acting White House Chief of Staff Mick. Mulvaney stated that President in trump held up aid to Ukraine to get his politically motivated investigations. He claimed quote. We do that all the time with foreign policy. The end quote and quote get over it and quote what was different about President. Trump's withholding aid to Ukraine from prior aid freezes leases. Are you aware of any other presidents who have withheld foreign aid as a bribe to extract personal benefits. Thank you senator. I'll respond to the question but Again was something in the category of. You can't make this stuff up today while we've been debating whether president can be impeached for essentially bogus claims of privilege for attempting to use the courts to cover up misconduct. The Justice Department in resisting. How subpoenas is in court today and was asked I will if the Congress can't come to the court to enforce it subpoenas because as we know? They're in here arguing. Congress go to court to enforce it subpoenas but they're in the court saying Congress I thou shalt not do that so the judge says if the Congress can't enforce subpoenas and court then what remedy is there and the Justice Department lawyers whereas responses impeachment impeachment. You can't make this up. I mean what what more evidence I do. We need of the bad faith of this effort to cover up. I said the other day. They're in this court making this argument. They're down the street making the other argument. I didn't think they'd make it on the same day. But that's exactly what's going on now in response to the question about. How does this a different this whole different from other holds so it's certainly appropriate to ask that question? The Laws Congress passed pass authorizing this appropriation did not allow for the whole by this president and as the Geel the Government Accountability Office founded violated violated the law to hold the aid the way it did once the Department of Defense and consultation with the Department of State Certified Ukraine had met the anti-corruption benchmarks marks required under the law. There was nothing that would allow for hold. The money had to flow and that was intentional. Military Assistance to Ukraine is critical to our national security. Any it has overwhelming bipartisan support. And recall that in the spring of Twenty Nine Thousand Nine the Defense Department certified Ukraine had met all the anti corruption benchmarks benchmarks the Department of State sent the Senate a letter saying that the benchmarks have been met issued a press. Release saying that the aide was moving forward. It began to spend the funds to help Ukraine but then the president stepped in without legal authority. He secretly placed a hold on the aid now. The President's council presentation gives specific examples of past holds has if we cannot distinguish one for corrupt reason and one that is for for a policy reason in many of their examples. Law explicitly provided the executive branch the Authority to pause reevaluate or cancel foreign ornate programs as the situation in recipient country evolve for example risk with regard to foreign assistance to El Salvador Honduras or Guatemala. The law explicitly allows the Secretary of state to quote suspend in whole or in part that assistance. If at any time the secretary deems that quote sufficient progress has not not been made by a central government on a host of priorities from respecting human rights to upholding the law. Those are the priorities that you the Senate agreed to and the president was required to implement them. Similarly aid to Afghanistan is subject to periodic reevaluations by law and the law explicitly directs. The Secretary of state should quote suspend assistance for the government of Afghanistan should be assessed that the Afghan government is quote failing to make measurable progress in meeting certain anti-corruption human rights counterterrorism benchmarks. The overthrow of the democratically elected government in Egypt. We've had that brought up. As another other example members of this body including senators McCain Lahey and Graham Pressley Bob Ministration to suspend military aid wasn't hidden from the Senate. It was urged on Administration by the Senate senators pressed for that aid to be withheld because the law was clear. Instances of a military coup aid must be suspended senators McCain Graham Roadway OP ED in the Washington Post not all coups are created equal but who is still a coup more see he. That's the deposed leader of Egypt quote was elected by a majority of voters and US law requires the suspension of foreign assistance. I could go on and on with examples. Apple's no one is suggesting you can't condition aid but I would hope that we would all agree that you can't condition aid for corrupt purpose to try to get a foreign power to cheat on your election. Send a question to the desk. On behalf of myself Senator Cotton Ernst the Young Holly Rish Fisher and Hoven thank you Senator Bozeman and the other senators. Here's pose a question to both sides in the house. Managers Opening Statement. They argue that it is necessary to pursue impeachment because is quote. The president's misconduct cap cannot be decided at the ballot box for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly one end quote. How would it quitting? The president prevent voters from making an informed decision in the twenty twenty presidential election. It's counsel goes first. Thank you MR chief justice members of the Senate. That's exactly who should should decide who should be president. The voters all power comes from the people in this country. That's why you're here. That's why people people are elected in the house and that's why the president is elected. It's exactly who should decide the question particularly in a case like this where it's purely partisan. Let's leave it to the people of the United States. Let's trust them. They're asking you not to trust them. Maybe they don't trust them. Maybe they won't like the result. We should trust them. That's who should decide who the president of this country should be. It'll be a few months from now. And they should decide. Thank you thank you. Council shoot Justice Senator Senator. I appreciate the question. President trump must be removed from office because of his ongoing abuse of power threatens the integrity of the next election. The president has made no bones about the fact that is willing to seek foreign intervention to help him cheat in the next election council for the President says the next election is the remedy. It's not the remedy when the president is trying to seek to cheat in that very election. This is why. The founders did not put a requirement that a president can only be impeached in the first term. Indeed at that time of course there weren't term limits on the presidency. If it were the intent of the framers to say that a president can be impeached in an election year. They would have said so now. They didn't for a reason because they were concerned about a president who might try to to cheat in that very election now counsel as I was getting to a moment ago made the argument if you make the decision as impartial the jurors that the president has violated the Constitution. Here's abused his power. He should be convicted or move from office that the country will not accept it. I have more confidence in the American people than that. But I will assure you of this if you make the decision that a fair trial can be conducted without hearing from witnesses. The American people will not accept that judgment because American people understand what goes into a fair trial and they understand that a fair trial requires both sides to the have the opportunity to present their case. We would like to present our case. We'd like to call our witnesses. We'd like to rely on more than argumentation. There are few things about this trial that Americans agree on but one thing they are squarely in agreement on well to they believe a trial should have witness testimony and they want to hear from John. Bolton is the overwhelming consensus of the American people and it's consistent with commonsense. Let's give the country trial they can be proud of. Let's show that at least the process worked in that we followed the founders intent that a trial have witnesses senator from Colorado. Thank you I send a question to the desk for myself and senator shots and Senator Menendez unders thank you. The question from Senators Bennett. Menendez and shots is is to the house managers if the Senate accepts the president's blanket assertion of privilege in the house impeachment inquiry. What are the consequences to the American can people? How will the Senate ensure that the current president or a future president will remain transparent and accountable? How will this affect the separation abrasion of powers and in this context? Could you address. The President's Council's claim that the president's advisers are entitled to the same protections as a whistleblower privileges are limited. We have voted to impeach the president for among other things article. The impeachment is total defiance of how subpoenas and the president announced advanced. I will defy all the subpoenas. What does this mean? It means that there's no information to Congress. It means a claim of monarchic addicted to`real power. If Congress has no information it cannot act if the president can defy. Now he can dispute certain specific Claims you can claim privilege cetera but to defy categorically all subpoenas to announce in advance. You're going to do that and to do. It is to say that Congress has no powered all only the executive has power. That's why article is impeaching him for abuse of Congress. That's why for much lesser the degree of fence. Richard Nixon was impeached for abuse of Congress for the same defiance of any attempt to the Congress to investigate but this is and what are the consequences the consequences if this is to be if they get away with it. Is it any subpoena. You vote in the future any information you want in the future from any future president. Maybe denied you with no excuses juices announcing advance of the final. The subpoenas it eviscerates. Congress and establishes the Department the Executive Department is a total dictatorship. That's the consequences consequences. Each week Danielle had speak with progressive leaders and thinkers to get their insights on. What's happening in the White House and the halls of Congress in Washington but progress doesn't just tap in? DC change can happen in any community around the country. The tent digs into those ideas and explores the diverse backgrounds of people committed to fighting for progress aggressive in America. Listen and subscribe on Apple podcasts. spotify stitcher Google play. Or wherever. You get your podcasts politics policy and progress progress all under one big tent. The senator from Maine. I sent a question to the desk. Ascom B half of myself and senators crepeau brunt blunt and ruby up. Thank you the question. Chen from Senator Collins and the other senators for both parties. Are there legitimate circumstances under which a president could request a foreign foreign country to investigate a US citizen including a political rival who is not under investigation by the US government. If so what are they. And how do they apply to the present case. The House goes first chief justice senator. It would be hard for me to contemplate circumstances where that would be appropriate. We'll be appropriate for the president United States to seek a political cool investigation of an opponent. One of the most important post Watergate reforms was divorce decisions about specific cases Aces Pacific prosecutions from the White House to the Justice Department to build a wall. One of the many norms that has broken down on this presidency is that wall has been obliterated where the president has affirmatively and aggressively sought to investigate his rivals. I cannot conceive of circumstances where serve that is appropriate. It may be appropriate for the Justice Department acting independently and good faith to initiate investigation. There's a process for doing doing that. We heard testimony about that. You can make requests under the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty emlyn process when a foreign country has evidence involving the criminal case involving a US person. There is a legitimate way to do that. That didn't happen here. In fact when bill bars name was first revealed on that transcript was brought to light the Justice Department immediately. Said we have nothing to do with this with nothing to do with this here. This particular domestic political Erin was being done by the president's personal lawyer. I wanted to just fall up also while I can't senator on my colleague's comments in terms of mixed motives if you conclude the president acted with mixed motives some of them corrupt and forbidden. Some of them legitimate. You should vote to convict. That principle is deeply rooted in our legal tradition Russian. It is commonplace in civil and criminal law going back. Centuries for example in describing the standard for motive of obstruction the seventh circuit rejected any requirement. That defendants only or even main purpose was to obstruct the due administration of Justice in store. Instead the court explained a defendant offended is guilty if his motives included any corrupt forbidden goals that case United States Quito which I cited earlier is not only relevant here but that case was argued by Professor Dershowitz and he lost. He made the argument made and the President's lawyers have made today. They lost the case for a good reason. It's contrary to the history or legal traditions if someone And this is the founders. Were concerned for example that a president might be he charged with bribing members of the Electoral College. Mister Chief Justice Justice Senators. Thank you for that question. I'd like to start by pointing out that. The questions assumes that there is a request for Oren investigation in a foreign country of the United States person just like bring it back though here to the transcript of the July twenty fifth call where our president trump didn't ask presence Alinsky specifically for an investigation or investigation into Vice President Biden Jason Hunter. I mean there's a lot of loose talk in sort of shorthand reference to it that way but what he refers to as the incident in which the prosecutor was fired and the first thing that he he says in that whole exchange is talking about the prosecutor being fired and it said he says it sounds horrible to him and the situation with Burris Ma and and so and all the president says is so if you can look into it sounds horrible. It sounds like a bad situation. That's not calling for investigation necessarily into Vice President Biden or his son but the situation in which the prosecutor had been fired which affected anti corruption corruption efforts in the Ukraine and presidents. Alinsky responded by saying the issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty honesty so we will take care of that. And he's explained that he understands. It's an issue that has to do with was an investigation. They're over there. There prosecutor was handling derailed in a way that affected their anti corruption efforts. And it's something worth looking into. It's the president making clear that we're not saying that's off limits. It sounds bad to the US as well but let me get more specifically to the question. Is there any situation and where it might be legitimate to ask for an investigation overseas. Yes if there was a conduct by a US person overseas that potentially violated a The law of that country but didn't violate the law of this country but there was a national interest in having some information about that and understanding what went on then it would be perfectly legitimate to suggest this is something worth looking into. We have an interest in knowing about this. Even if it's not something that would mean a criminal criminal investigation here in the United States and so that could arise in various circumstances where a person had done something overseas but there was a national interest in understanding the senator from Idaho Mr Chief Justice I send a question to the desk. On on behalf of myself and Senator Risch Graham Ernst Fischer crews and purdue. Thank you the question from Senator Crepeau and the other senators for counsel for the president. How many witnesses have been presented to the Senate at this point in this trial? How many pages of documentary evidence evidence have been put in the record before the Senate in this trial and how many other clips and transcripts of evidence have been presented to the Senate in this trial Mr Chief Justice Senators? Thank you for that question and I think it is important to recognize that because the house managers keep talking about the need for witnesses. You can't have a trial without witnesses. You've seen a lot of witnesses. There were seventeen witnesses. who were deposed? I and testified in public Twelve in public seventeen who were enclosed hearings below. So far you have seen in these presentations wins one hundred and ninety two video clips from thirteen different witnesses. So testimony was shown here to you. Just as you would in a trial in ordinary court sometimes played delayed video but deposition instead of having the witness take the stand. You've seen video clips from thirteen different witnesses. The house managers have dramatically wheeled into into the Senate a record. I think it was reported as being twenty nine thousand pages a are I think more official numbers twenty eight thousand five hundred seventy eight pages. So you've got over twenty eight thousand pages of documents submitted into the record provisionally inevitable in this trial. Subject subject later to potential objections for hearsay and other evidentiary objections. There's no need to go onto anything else when you've already seen so much I'm house. Managers had their case to chance to prepare their case. Mr Chief Justice Senator from Arizona. I submit a question to the desk for the president's President's council on behalf of Myself Senators Manchin Senator Murkowski and Senator Collins. Thank you the questions from Senator Cinema and the other senators for counsel counsel for the president. The Logan Act prohibits any. US citizen even without the authority of the United States from communicating with any foreign government with the intent to influence that government's conduct in relation to any controversy with the United States. Will the president assured the American public that private citizens will not be directed to conduct. American can foreign policy or national security policy unless they have been specifically and formerly designated by the President and the State Department introduce. Oh Mr Chief. Justice Senators thank you for the question. Let me preface answering several parts. The first is just want to make clear that there was no conduct of foreign in policy being carried on here by private person. The testimony was clear from Ambassador Volker and I assume that the reference would be into Mr Giuliani. The president's private counsel ambassador. Volker was clear that he understood. Would Mr Giuliani. And just to be a source of information for the president and someone who knew about Ukraine and someone who spoke to the president and in fact it was. It's the testimony that it was Ukrainians. Andrei your Mac. WHO ASKED TO BE CONNECTED TO MR Giuliani simply? Because he was someone who could provide information to the president And Ambassador Volker testified that it was not his understanding he did not believe that Mr Giuliani Johnny was carrying out policy directors of the president but rather indicating his views of what he thought would be something useful for Ukrainians to convince convinced president of their anti-corruption of Bona Fida. So just wanted to make that point it is of course. The president's policy is always to abided edged by the law by the laws. I I'm not in a position to make pledges for the president here but the president's policy is always to abide. Oh by by the laws and would continue to do so. I think it is worth pointing out. That many presidents starting with President Washington have relied on a person's who are there trusted confidants but who who are not actually employees of the government to assist in the conduct of foreign diplomacy president. Washington relied on Gouverneur Morris to carry messages and certain circumstances. I believe to French. FDR had in his confidant who he relied on in certain circumstances to be a go-between with foreign powers. I don't think that there is anything again. Danas said it was not here but there would not be anything improper for president in some circumstances to rely on a personal confidant to be able to convey wjm messages is a receive messages back and forth the question from Senator Durbin to the House. Managers would you please respond to the answer that was given by President. COUNCILS TO UH-HUH PRESIDENT'S COUNSEL TO SENATOR CINEMAS QUESTION A senator to justice. Answer that that question. We heard rather breathtaking admission by the president's lawyer and it was said in an understated way. And so you might have missed it. But what the President's council said was that no foreign policy was being conducted by a private party. Here that is rudy. Giuliani was not conducting. US foreign policy rudy. Giuliani was not conducting policy. That is a remarkable admission because to the degree that they have attempted to suggest or claim or insinuate that this is a policy difference that it concern turnover burden-sharing or something corruption was a policy issue. They have now acknowledged that the person in charge of this was is not conducting policy. That is a startling admission. So the investigations that Giuliani was charged with trying to get Ukraine to announce into Joe Biden into this Russian propaganda theory. They have just admitted were not part of policy. They were not policy conducted by Mr Giuliani. So what were they they were in the words of Dr Hill. A domestique political errand not to be confused with policy. They have just undermine their entire argument even as to mixed motives motives because the man in charge of it was undergoing this domestic era. Now you heard a suggestion there. He was only doing this. Giuliani was only doing this. Because he was is being asked by Andre Earmark that is laughable. Giuliani tried to get the meeting was Linski. Remember and he couldn't get in the door and then he announced announced that their enemies around presence Alinsky and then they go into that phone call July Twenty Fifth Ukrainians tried to persuade the president. You don't have enemies and Ukraine. Were only friends. And what's the president's response. I want you to talk to rudy. That's not policy being conducted there. That's a personal snow political errand. They just undermine their entire argument. Now the president's council also essentially argues in terms of witnesses. If there is a strong Mr Schiff Mr Nadler and others say then why do they need witnesses. You can imagine the scene any courtroom in America. Where are before the trial begins? Defense counsel for the defendant stands up and says Iran if the Prosecution Cases Stroz strong let them prove it without witnesses. That's essentially what's being argued here. Well I will make an offer to opposing counsel who have said that this will stretch on indefinitely if you decide to have a single witness. Let's cabin the depositions to one week in the Clinton trial there was one week of depositions. And you know what the Senate did. During that week they did the business of the Senate. The Senate went back to its ordinary legislative business while the depositions were conducted you want the Clinton model. Let's use the Clinton model title. Let's take a week. Let's take a week to have a fair trial. You can continue your business. We can get the business of the country done. Is that too much to ask the name of fairness that we follow the Clinton model that we take one week week we really driven by. The timing of the state of the Union should be a guiding principle. Can't we take one week to hear from these witnesses. I think we can I think we should. I think we lost manager chief justice the senator from Alaska. Is this shift to send to the desk. A question submitted on behalf of myself and senator shots directed to both the White House cancel and the house managers thank you the question from senators McCain Murkowski and shots directed to both parties. Would you agree that almost any action. a president takes or indeed any action. The vast majority of politicians take is to one degree or another inherently political. Where's the line between permissible political actions and impeachable political actions council? We'll go first. Mr Chief Justice Senators. Thank you for that question and I think that hits the question really hits the nail on the head. As I mentioned the other day in a representative democracy elected officials almost always have at least one eye looking king onto the next election and how their actions their policy decisions. Their actions in office will be received by the electorate. And there's nothing wrong north that that's good. It's part of the way representative. Democracy works so having part of your motives being looking towards the next election action looking towards how that will affect electoral chances. That's part of the nature of elected office and to start getting into motives about will this affect my prospects in the next election and calling that corrupt. And if you've got that as part word of your motive looking into whether you were doing something for electoral advantage and saying that's going to be corrupt motive will say that you can be charged charged for wrongdoing with that or impeached is very dangerous because there's almost no way to get inside someone's head and parcel out. which percentage was one motive which percentage was another motive? If you start down that path. It's totally amorphous. And this is part of the point that Professor Dershowitz was making. And we've made here a couple of times. This idea of impeaching a president on a theory of abusive power. That depends depends entirely on analyzing subjective motive. Because that's what the house managers have suggested that we're assuming there is an act on. Its face that is Kitimat. And it is within the president's authority it's not on its face in any way unlawful or unconstitutional. But solely based on motive. We're going impeach him and by saying that well if it was really directed at the next election. That's the corrupt motive. That's very dangerous. Pass because there there is always some I to the next election and it ends up becoming of standards so malleable did. It really is a substitute for a policy difference. Prince I think the answer is yes. The public officials are inherently political animals. I don't mean that in a derogatory term. They they run for office they hold office. They conduct acts as political figures. But if we look at what Hamilton had to say about the core of offenses that warrant impeachment power. He talked about the crimes being political in character and the remedies being political in character. Because we're not talking talking about imprisonment here. We're not talking about taking someone's liberty so we're talking about a political punishment for a political crime now. What's a political crime? Yes everyone in office. Office has a political motivation. But certainly that doesn't mean that we can't draw a line between corrupt activity that is undertaken yes for or a political reason and non corrupt activity. Indeed we have to draw that line. Let let's see what Professor Dershowitz had to say about where we draw the line and if the president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest that cannot cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment. The fact that he's announced his candidacy is a very good reason for upping the interest in his son. If he wasn't running for president he's a has been he's the former vice president United States. Okay big deal. But if he's running for president that's an enormous big deal so it is certainly true that when in public officials take actions they may have in mind when they make a policy judgment. What's the impact on my political career to be or what's the impact going to be a my reelection prospects spects but that's a very different question than whether they can engage in a corrupt act to help their election? This case to get foreign help to cheat in an election. I think we can distinguish between the fact that political actors have political interests with what the president's defense would argue. Thank you and that is if he believes in his reelection interest than no quid pro quos to corrupt. If we go down that road there is no limit to what this or any other president can do. There is no limit to what foreign powers will feel. They can offer a corrupt president to help their reelection. And that is the president. We intend to establish senator from Wisconsin. Miss Chief Justice I send a question to the desk on behalf of myself and Sanders Holly Cruise Kramer Bron Purdue Grasso Rubio Rish Sullivan Ernst Scotto Florida Danes. In Fisher her for the House for both the house managers with response from the council to the president. Thank you the question from Senator Johnson and the other senators for both parties recent reporting describe to NFC staff holdovers overs from the Obama Administration attending and all hands meeting of NFC staff held about two weeks into the trump administration and talking loudly enough to be overheard saying we need to do everything we can to take out the president on July Twenty six twenty nineteen the house. Intelligence Committee hired one of those individuals. Sean disco the report. Further describes relationships between miss go lieutenant. Colonel Vin men and individual alleged as the WISP whistle blower. Why did your committee higher? Sean miss go the day after the phone call between president trump and Zielinski and what role has he played throughout your committee's investigation instigation. The House will begin first of all. There's been a lot of attacks on my staff and as I said when this issue came up earlier I'm appalled at some of the smearing of professional people that work for the Intelligence Committee. Now this question refers to allegations in a newspaper article which are circulating smears on my staff and asked me to respond to those smears and I will not dignify those smears on my staff by giving them any credence whatsoever. Nor will I share any information that I believe could or could not lead to the identification of the whistle blower. I want to be very clear about something. Members of this body used to care about the protection of whistleblower identities they didn't use to gratuitously attack members of committee staff. But now they do now they do now. They'll take an unsubstantiated repress article and use it to smear my staff. I think that's disgraceful graceful. I think it's disgraceful. Whistle blowers are a unique and vital resource for the intelligence eligible community. And why because unlike other whistle blowers who can go public with their information whistleblowers in the intelligence community cannot because it deals with classified information. They you must come to a committee. They must talk to the staff that committee or to the Inspector General. That is what they're supposed to do. Our system relies upon it and when you jeopardize a whistleblower by trying to out them this way. Then you are threatening not just this whistle blower but the entire system now. The president would like nothing better than that. And I'm sure. The presence is applauding this question. Because he wants his pound of flesh and he wants to punish anyone that that has the courage which to stand up to him. Well I can't tell you who the whistle blowers because I don't know but I can tell you who the whistleblower should be. It should be every one of us. Every one of us should be willing to blow. Oh the whistle on presidential misconduct if it weren't for this whistle blower. We wouldn't know about this conduct misconduct. And that might be just as well for this president but but it would not be good for this country and I worry that future people that see wrongdoing or going to watch how. This person has been treated the threats against this person's life and they're going to say why stick my neck up. Is My name going to be dragged through the mud. Will people join our staff. If they know that their their names are going to be dragged through the mud. Thank you Mr Manager. There's tour sponsors that I'd I'd like to get to one. With regard to the issue of witnesses in this case the whistle blower Mr Schiff put the whistle blower issue front and center with his own words during the course of their investigation. He talked about the whistle blower testifying retribution attribute is what is prohibited under the statute against whistleblower. That's what what sort of whistle blower statute protects that. There's no retribution in other. Where's it going to be fired for blowing the whistle? But this idea that there's complete anonymity and I'm not saying that we should disclose the individual's name and you have you handle about an executive session or any way you want. But we can't just say it's not a relevant inquiry to know who on the staff that conducted the primary investigation here was in communication with that whistleblower. Especially after Mr Ship denied that his hearers ears steph initially had even had any conversations with the whistleblower the senator for Michigan thank. Thank you MR chief justice. I send a question to the desk on behalf of myself senator. Cortez Maskco in Senator Rosen the question for the house managers from senators stabbing. Cortez Masto and Rosen to both both parties in June. Two Thousand Nineteen Ellen Weintraub then chair of the Federal Election Commission wrote in a statement that quote it is illegal legal for any person to solicit accept or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with the US election. This is not a novel concept. Electoral intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the beginnings of our nation and quote in a two thousand seven advisory opinion the FCC found campaign contributions from foreign nationals are prohibited in federal federal elections even if quote the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain end quote. How valuable able would a public announcement of an investigation into the Biden's be for president? Trump's reelection campaign begin with the White White House. Counsel Mr Chief Justice and Senators. Thank you for the question. The idea that these investigations were thing of value. Something that was specifically examined by the Department of Justice as I explained the other day the the inspector general for the intelligence community wrote a cover letter on the whistleblower complaint which he had actually exaggerated in the complaint. The idea that there was a demand and for some assistance with the president's reelection campaign that was forwarded to the Department of Justice they examined it and they announced back in September timber that there was no election law violation because they did not qualify as a thing of value. And I think that that issue you has been thoroughly examined by the Department of Justice here as a matter of law and think about this. If pure information information that came to someone in in a campaign could be called a thing value if it comes from overseas thing. EVALU- is a prohibited campaign. Contributions not allowed comes from within the country has to be reported so that would mean that anytime a campaign got information from within the country about an opponent or about something else else that maybe it would be useful in campaign. They'd have to report the receipt of information as a thing of value under the campaign finance laws. That's not how the laws work and there would be tremendous first amendment implications. If someone attempted to enforce the laws that way so that simply the point that I wanted to make your information nation that is credible information is not something that is prohibited from being received under the campaign finance laws. Thank did you counsel as Chief Justice. Sorry yes Mr Managed. How valuable would it be for the president to get Ukraine to analyses investigations and the answer is immensely valuable and and if it wasn't going to be immensely valuable? Why would the president go to such lengths to make it happen? Why would he be willing to violate the law? The Impoundment Control Act. Why would he be willing to ignore the advice of all national security professionals? Why would he be willing to withhold hundreds of millions of dollars from an ally at war if he didn't think it was going to really benefit his campaign? You have only to look at the president's actions to determine just how valuable he believed it would be to him now now. How would he make use of this? Well if we look in the past we get a perfect illustration of how Donald Trump would have made use of this political help from Ukraine. Let's look at two thousand sixteen when the Russians hacked the D. Triple A. and the DNC and they started dripping out these documents through wikileaks. Yes and other Russian platforms. What did the president do did he make use of it? Did he condemn it. Oh he made beautiful use of it over one hundred three times in the last three months of the campaign. The president brought up time after time after time rally after rally after rally the Clinton when Russian stolen documents. Now we've had a debate since then. What was the impact of the Russian interference in two thousand sixteen election? That close. It was a decisive. No one will ever know. Was it valuable. You only have to look at Donald Trump's actions to know just how valuable he thought it was he thought it was immensely valuable. And you can darn well expected. If you've gotten help from Ukraine he'd be out there every day talking talking about how Ukraine was investigating Joe by in Ukraine is conducting an investigation into Joe Biden. It will be proof of his argument against his feared opponent. You're darn right it would be valuable. What's more it's illegal and do we have to go through all the turmoil of the Russian interference for have to have the president? Do it all over again. One of the things that I found so significant day after Bob Muller reaches conclusion that this President President was back on the phone asking yet another country to help cheat in another election. You're darn right. That would have been valuable question from senator. Warren is for the house managers at a time when large majorities of Americans have lost faith in government. Mint does the fact that the chief justice is presiding over an impeachment trial in which Republican senators thus far refused to allow witnesses or or evidence contribute to the loss of legitimacy of the chief justice the Supreme Court and the Constitution senator. I would not say that it contributes to a loss of confidence in the chief justice chief. Justice has presided admirably. I don't think a trial. Without witnesses reflects adversely on the chief justice I do think it reflects adversely on us. I think it diminishes is the power of this example to the rest of the world if we cannot have a fair trial in the face of this kind of presidential misconduct. This is the remedy. This is the remedy for presidential abuse. But it does not reflect well on any of us if of what the evidence Holtz if this will be the first trial in America where the defendant says at the beginning of the trial if the prosecution case aces so good. Why don't they prove it without any witnesses? That's not a model we can hold up with prior to the rest of the world. And yes senator. I think that will feeds cynicism about this institution that we may disagree on the president's conduct or not but we can't even get a fair trial. Trial the question from senator. Shelby is for the Council for the president. Though not charged in the articles of impeachment house managers and others have stated the president's President's actions constituted criminal bribery can this claim be reconciled with the Supreme Court's unanimous decision in McDonald versus United States. Which MR chief justice senator? Thank you for that question and I think the the answer is no. It can't be reconciled consoled with the McDonald's case and let me make a couple of points in my answer the first is of course because they're always know bribery or extortion. Shen charged in the articles of impeachment The managers can't rely on that now to try to establish their case question from Senator Warner and the other senators is for the house managers. Our intelligence community and law enforcement leadership unanimously concluded. Russia interfered in the two thousand sixteen eighteen election and that Russia continues those efforts toward the twenty twenty election. The Muller Report and the Senate Intelligence Committee reached the same conclusion yesterday. The President's council said that foreign election interference could be legal. If it's related to credible information does this I mean it is proper for the president to accept or encourage Russia China or other foreign countries to produce damaging intelligence or information targeting targeting his domestic political opponents as long as he deems it to be from credible information for the house managers centers of Justice. That is the natural conclusion of what the president's lawyers are arguing. Essentially that if the president believes that it would serve his reelection interest to seek the help of a foreign intelligence service to provide dirt on his opponent or in other ways assist his campaign as long as he thinks his winning is in the national interest. I then that's okay. It's not only okay. But no restraint can be placed upon it even if he were to go so far as to proclaim proclaim a quid pro quo. Hey Russia you've got among the best intelligence services on the planet if you will engage those intelligence services on my behalf I I will refuse to enforce sanctions on you. Over your invasion of Ukraine that may injure the security of our country but look I think my reelection reelection is more important. That's where this bastardisation of the constitution leads us. The idea that no oh abuse of power is within the reach of the Congress. Thank you MS manager. Mr Chief Justice Democratic leaders recognized. I send a question to the desk for the House. Managers thank you. The question from Senator Schumer for the house managers. Many of our colleagues are worried that if we were able to bring witnesses and documents documents in the trial it would take too long. Mr Schiff mentioned we could do depositions in one week please elaborate. What can you say? That will reassure us that having witnesses and documents can be done in a short time minimally impeding the business of the Senate. I think the Center for the question. First of all the respect to the documents that we succeeded in sought to get in the house those documents have been collected So that work has been done. We've been informed. For example the State Department documents have been collected those could readily be provided to the Senate for consideration Asian with respect to witnesses if we agree to a one week period to do depositions while you continue to conduct the business of the Senate it doesn't mean that we would have unlimited unlimited witnesses. During that week we would have to. We would have to decide on witnesses who are relevant and probative of the issues. Neither side would have an unlimited capacity. You need to call endless witnesses. We would have limited period of time just as we had a limited time for opening presentations and for this question and answer period if there was any the dispute over whether a witness is truly material and probative that decision could be made by the chief justice in very short order if there was a dispute as has to whether a passage in a document is covered by an applicable privilege. And if for the first time the White House should actually invoke a privilege. The chief justice could decide. Isn't that properly properly laid or is that merely an attempt to conceal crime or fraud. So this can be done very quickly and a reasonable accommodation would be. We'll take one week. You'll continue with business in the Senate will do the depositions and then we'll come back we'll present to you What the witnesses had to say those those the positions and that's how we contemplate the process would work senators Wyden Menendez and Brown ask the house managers? The President's Council Council has argued that the president's actions are based on his desire to root out corruption however new reporting indicates that Attorney General Bar and former national security advisor Bolton shared concerns that the president was granting personal favors to autocratic foreign leaders like president erosion. Oh John of Turkey. The president has also acknowledged his private business interests in the country like trump towers. Istanbul the the Treasury Department has not denied that the president directed Treasury and the Department of Justice to intervene in the criminal investigation of Hulkah- bank. The Turkish state-owned bank. which has been accused of a scheme to evade Iranian sanctions? Has the president engaged in a pattern of conduct in which he places his personal all and political interests above the national security interest of the United States. Thank you Mrs Chief Justice and also want to thank. The senator is again for your hospitality and for listening to both sides as we've endeavored to to answer your questions. Thank you for that question. I think first and foremost has been a troubling pattern. Earn of possible conflicts of interest that we've seen from the beginning of this administration through this moment but the allegation listen here related to the abuse of power charge. Is that in this specific instance. The president tried to cheat by soliciting foreign interference in an American election. By trying to agenda Phony investigations against a political opponent. Now what counsel for the President has said is that what the president was really interested in is corruption. He's an anti corruption. Crusader for you. Believe the president narrative you have to conclude that he's an anti corruption. Crusader perhaps says domestic record is part of what senators can reasonably consider. But let's look at the facts of the central charge here. The president had two calls with Presidents Alinsky on April Twenty first and on July twenty fifth in both instances he did not mention the word corruption. Once released transcripts the word corruption was not mentioned by Donald Trump. Once we also know that in May of last year President Trump's own department of defense indicated that the new Ukrainian government had met all necessary surrey preconditions for the receipt of the military aid including the implementation of anti corruption reforms. That's let's president. Trump's department of defense saying there is no corruption concern as it relates to the the release of the aid now. I think we can all acknowledge as the President's council indicated that there was a general corruption shen challenge with Ukraine. I think the exact quote from mister poorer was since the fall of the Soviet Union Ukraine has suffered from one of the worst environments for corruption in the world world. Certainly I believe that that's the case. But here's the key question. Why did president trump wait until two thousand nineteen to pretend as if he wanted to do do something about corruption? Let's explore. Did Ukraine have a corruption problem in twenty seventeen. Generally the answer is yes. That president trump dislike foreign aid in two thousand seventeen. The answer is yes. What did president trump do about these alleged concerns in twenty seventeen? The answer is nothing under the same exact conditions that the president now claims motivated him him to seek a phony political investigation against the Biden's and place a hold on the money. The president did nothing. He did not seek an investigation into the Biden's Haydn's in two thousand seventeen. He did not put a hold on the aid and twenty seventeen but the trump administration oversaw five hundred sixty million dollars dollars in military insecurity aid to Ukraine and twenty seven eighteen twenty eighteen the same conditions existed if president trump is truly an anti corruption. Crusader but what happened in twenty eight team. He didn't seek investigation station into the Biden's he didn't put a hold on the aid. Rather the trump administration oversaw six hundred and twenty million dollars in military are- insecurity aid to Ukraine which brings us to this moment why the sudden interest in Barista in the Biden's in alleged corruption concerns about Ukraine. What changed in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred? What change is that? Joe Biden announced his candidacy to see the president was concerned with that candidacy polls had him losing to the former vice president president and he was determined to stop Joe Biden by trying to cheat in the election smear him solicit foreign interference in two thousand twenty that is an abuse of power that is corrupt. Senator King asked the President's Council. Would it be permissible for for president to inform the Prime Minister of Israel that he was holding. Congressional appropriated military aid unless the prime minister promised to come to the United United States and publicly charged his opponent with antisemitism in the midst of an election campaign MR chief justice and senator. Thank you for the question but the question really has nothing to do with this case. It seems to be trying to get get the most extreme hypothetical related to a misinterpretation of what Professor Dershowitz was saying the other night. It's totally irrelevant here. Her Senator Murkowski asked counsel for the President you explain that ambassadors sandline and Senator Johnson both said the president explicitly explicitly denied that he was looking for a quid pro quo with Ukraine. The reporting on Ambassador Bolton's book suggests the president told Bolton directly that the aid would not be released until Ukraine announced the investigations. The president desired this dispute about out material facts ways in favor of calling additional witnesses with direct knowledge. Why should this body not call Ambassador Bolton Mr Chief Justice Senators? Thank you for the question and I think the primary consideration here is to understand that the house could have pursued ambassador Bolton to have considered whether or not they would try to have income testify him. They chose not to subpoena subpoenaed him and this all goes back to the most important consideration. I think that this chamber has before it in some ways especially on in this threat threshold issue of whether there should be witnesses or not has to do with the precedent that's established here for what kind of impeachment impeachment proceeding this body will accept from now going forward because whatever is accepted in this case becomes the new normal for every every impeachment proceeding in the future and it will do grave damage to this body as an institution to say that the proceedings in in the house don't have to really be complete. The question from Senator Shots White House and Heinrich for both parties. Can the White House really really not admit that Senator Kings hypothetical would be wrong. We begin with the house managers. Senator we have no trouble recognizing just how wrong that would be a but more than that. It's the natural extension of Professor Dershowitz Argument That if the president believed that that kind of quid pro quo would help his reelection than it's perfectly fine and non impeachable. There was a reason of course why they didn't want address hypothetical but let me go back also to the question that was asked about the other reports that investor Bolton and attorney general bar were concerned that the president was intervening in cases in which he had business investments like Turkey under the theory of the President's lawyers. That's perfectly otake too if the president thinks somehow that that's in the United States interest because it's in his interest that's perfectly fine it's unimpeachable now is it. Is it a crime to give preference to autocrats to give special consideration autocrats Kratzer you business investments. That may not be criminal but it is an impeachable. It's impeachable if we are going to sacrifice precise the national security of the country we're going to withhold military aid if we're going to bestow favors in US resources to countries. He's where the president has investments. Is that what we want driving policy. But that's the implication of what they have to say. MR Chief Justice Senator. Thank you for the question. Let me just begin by noting. I think it's A. It's a little bit rich for manager singer shift to say that one party I the president is going to deny them witnesses. It was the president who has denied any witnesses throughout this process up till now but to get back to the question on Senator Kings hypothetical if if the president insisted that a foreign leader come here and lie I about someone else and he was holding up a military aid or package a congressional aide saying you have to go out and in lie about this. That would be wrong. But it's not this case and it has nothing to do with this case. The question from Senators Peters and Cornyn for both parties. How would the verdict in this trial alter the balance of power between the executive and legislative branches in the future? The president's counsel goes first first of verdict the final judgment of acquittal would be the best thing for our country and would send a great message. Judge that will actually help in our separation of powers it may be different in the court that it is in this chamber in the House but when anybody begins the sentence with the phrase I have the greatest respect for you have to look out for what follows we trust. The justice will make the right decision. The Justice has I think conducted these proceedings and eminently fair way. There is nothing in the constitution that would preclude us us from taking a week to hear from witnesses and allowing the chief justice to make those calls and so it's a false argument to say or suggest that the whole body audie would need to conduct the whole of the depositions so much as we would like live testimony. We've offered a compromise but with respect to the question about what will this do to the balance the power. I would say this as I mentioned earlier. Our relationship with Ukraine will survive this debacle but if we hold the president can defy. All subpoenas can tie up the congress endlessly with bad faith claims of privilege claiming here one thing claiming courts something something else. It will eviscerate our oversight power. If the president is allowed to decide what subpoenas they will deign to consider valid. and which which they will deign to consider invalid. Your oversight power. Our oversight power is gone. That is an irrevocable change to the balance of power. The question in from Senator Mansion for both parties will begin with the President's council over the past two weeks White House counsel had detailed all the problems associated with the house's decision to move quickly through their impeachment proceedings. Why shouldn't this body their advice and slow down? And at least allow the the judge to rule in the mcgann case to give the members of this body and official opinion from the judiciary on article to Mr Chief Justice Senator. Thank you for the question and I think the key point here is the mcgann case is not going to directly resolve something related to the obstruction charges. Here it's going to address a legal issue. With respect to an assertion of absolute immunity for our Don mcgann there should be a decision from the DC circuit sometime soon but that will almost certainly go to the Supreme Court. I mean that immunity is being and challenged and it's been relied upon by the executive for over forty years. That's an issue distant for the Supreme Court so the idea. It's not going to be slow down here here a little bit. This trial can't be held open pending final Resolution Nabet litigation. And that's an important point because this is something that Alexander Hamilton pointed out in federalist number sixty five when he was discussing who should be the body to try impeachments and consider one consideration was potentially drawing in judges from various states to create a new body to try impeachments and the rationale that Hamilton gave for. That would be a bad idea is that there has to be swift progression from impeachment to the trial to verdict to having it finished precise because this is where he talked about the persecution kind of an in temperature designing majority in the House of Representatives he recognized there could be partisan impeachments and that accusation. That impeachment shouldn't be hanging hanging out there. There should be a swift trial question from Senator Kloba showers to the house managers. Could you please respond to the answer. Just given by the President's Council and provide any other comments the Senate would benefit from hearing before we adjourn for the evening chief the justice members of the Senate. We've just heard from the house from the Presence Council is the usual nonsense. There are only three as we draw to a close tonight. They're only three things to remember one. This is a trial. The trial is any ten year old. Knows we should have witnesses. We are told. We can't have witnesses because after all the house says we he proved our case as we have. And so why should we need witnesses. Well that's like saying that in a bank robbery the d. a announces that he's proved his case he's had all the witnesses and then and I witnessed shows up and he shouldn't be allowed to testify because after all the da was sure he proved his case. I that's absurd and he ten year old knows it's absurd and that's the president's case against just witnesses that we've had enough is always more. There aren't any more here but the fact is when there are witnesses genesis to be asked they should be asked second. There's only one real question in this trial. Everything else is is a distraction three card Monte game being played by the President's council distractions. Don't look at the real question. You look at everything else. Everything else irrelevant. Look at the whistle blower irrelevant look at the house procedures. Irrelevant look at hundred Biden. mm-hmm irrelevant look at whether President Obama's policy was as good as or better than president trump's policy with respect to Ukraine. Irrelevant look steele dossier irrelevant. There's only one relevant question. Did the presid