19 Burst results for "Michael Levin"
"michael levin" Discussed on Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas
"You have a ninety ten split in ten ninety split and that's easy but what about the fifty fifty split and so we really have to. I think this idea where we clearly know what a machine is. We clearly know what real preferences are as opposed to just sort of as if You know algorithm following by robots. None of these distinctions are as robust as a lot of people think they are and the implications for for ethics are at least as large as they are for a by medicine. Robotics no i completely agree and i think that You know for example that people have cared a lot about the possibility of uploading or brains onto computers. Whereas i suspect that just like you say blending the boundary between humans and computers is going to be a much nearer term thing they were going to have to worry about in this domain but the stuff you just said brings up about twelve podcasts worth of of topics to discuss. So we're we're running out of time here. Let me just pick one that. I really want to get to before we go. Which is you mentioned that the idea that robots don't get cancer and that's very interesting to me because the thing when i have artificial intelligence discussions the things that i always wanna bring up is the robots. Don't get bored. There's no sort of motivation or or irritability or desire to come back to some homeo- stasis built in automatically. You can try to build it in. But it's not automatic it an artificial system and would you've said has given me the initial idea or the additional idea that maybe the point is not just the robot. Don't get bored but that robots are not or the way that we currently make robots. They're not made of pieces. That get bored. Get bored right. This is the little insight that real biological organisms are made of. These collections and the collections should be thought of in clause teleological ways as well absolutely absolutely. There's this notion of info taxes where you know where everything from molecular. Networks are in constant search for information to update their ways of representing themselves and the world in kind of fought for stony announced since mom yes. I think that there is a really interesting question about motivations in the fact that with any living system we can tell very quickly how to motivate it. We know what it cares about. We know what it likes dislikes because we can. We can train. Will you know with positive and negative reinforcement. Maybe these things will be a little harder in exile biological arena where we run across new life forms but i bet even they are in short order. You can figure out what you could use to to train this thing with what is going to enjoy and what it's going to be a punishment with There there have been studied. There have been Papers dealing with this issue of motivation and artificial agents you know you can have an algorithm that causes this to do a or b but does it really care you know does alphabet will really care that it wins right or So the the problem with this question of is it really care like like a lot of problems you start to see the limitations of our categories. When you think about the kyw miric case so i can. I can take a sells out of out of a brain an animal brain or a human brain and we can connect them in culture to some sort of device that has the machine learning or whatever now if those cells had some sort of magic intrinsic caring right that enable human brains care about things..
"michael levin" Discussed on Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas
"Even organisms without brains. Whole focus on on them Kind of like neuromorphic. Architectures for a i think is really a very limiting limiting to look at it and so so we. We try very hard to export some of these concepts into machine learning into robotics and so on multi scale robotics. I gave a talk called on why robots don't get cancer and this is the right this is this is exactly the problem is is we make devices where the pieces don't have sub goals in. That's the upshot. The good news is yes. No no no. You're you're not going to have a robot where part of it decides defect and do something different but on the other hand the robots hungary good. They're not. They're not very very flexible. So so part of this. We're trying to export in going the other direction and take Interesting concepts from computer science from cognitive science into biology to help us understand how this works. I fundamentally think that Computer science biology are not really different fields. I think we are all studying computation just in different media and And i do think there's a lot of opportunity for for for back and forth but now the other thing they mention is really important which is the creation of novel novel systems We are doing some work on on synthetic synthetic living machines in creating new life forms by. I'm basically taking perfectly normal cells in giving them additional freedom and then and then some stimulation to become other types of organisms. We i think in our in our lifetime. I think We are going to be surrounded by darwin..
"michael levin" Discussed on Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas
"That things that happened to one of the cells very rapidly propagate to the other cell and all the meta data as far as who you know what the what. The originator of that information is stripped. So if something happens to sell a and there's a calcium flux that calcium flux propagates to sell be it doesn't you know all selby is sees this flocks. It doesn't know whether what triggered it happened to in order to its partner. This this has a couple of really critical implications. The first is that it makes lying or cheating almost impossible because anything you write anything you do to. Your neighbor is going to come back to you so If you try to poison your neighbor in some sort of competition you're going to get it and what it also means is that it becomes really difficult to maintain ownership of individual thought. So so if what you have. A bunch of information molecules. That were a track record of things that happen to you in. And you know we don't have to think about complex the thinking here we can just say there are events that happened. The trigger molecular reactions in these molecular reactions are a record that us to adjust future behaviors in all students. So now you're sharing those molecules and you can no longer tell which are true memories that you accumulated in your false memories that are in separated into your cognitive structure by the fact that they floated in from your neighbor. So now this erase is. It's like an amazing foremost of telepathy soda. Speak because it merges. The minds of these two cells into a group agent where they literally cannot tell what belongs to what and in that case. That is the origin of of this. I would claim that is the origin of a simple compound self. It's because you're erasing. It's it's it's kind of. It's kind of cool. I mean i think and again this outside my field. But i think there's a lot of important Quantum computation work as far as erasures. Right the fact that erasing information is critical. I think this is an example of that erasing this meta data that. Hey here's here's here's a memory that belongs to this unit over here. All of that is gone. And that's that helps create a kind of larger mind So to speak in. And of course you know. This is a proto Confident sort of thing which you can imagine the scaling larger and larger to allow this agent to have bigger horizons of those goals that That i mentioned so that you can now contemplate a much much much. Bigger things in bolts space. And you have the computational machinery to remember further back in time and to intensify further into the future. Now this this kind of thing has has a cool implication which is that he would think that okay. If this is the origin of the south then you have two questions. One is can break down. What the how would it make that. And what you can imagine is imagine that you're a part of Part of this this sensation you're connected to to a bunch of neighbors your multicellular kind of creature and for whatever reason your gap junctions get closed. You can no longer hear the electrical signals from your neighbors you are you are now sort of is located from all this you no longer get the the the the the the information input you know longer get the consequences of things you do directly fed back to you could imagine that you would then in in a game theory sense instead of previously..
"We call them target. Morphology sits the pattern to which cells are trying to build in the pattern that once they achieve it than than they stop. These things are rewritable in once. You rewrite them. The cells will build something different in what we don't know of course is the limitations we don't know if sales are universal constructor in the sense that can you make absolutely anything. Are there constraints people talk about developmental constraints. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure what that really is. Or if there are any constraints In the sense that if we knew. I think we just don't know the code enough if we if we understood how to reprogram a correctly these These target patterns. I think we would be looking at something like an anatomical compiler you know this is like our vision when i talk about. What's the end game for our group. When can you give up and go home because everyone's done. I think what we're looking at is something like an anatomical compiler that you sit down much like computer aided drawing you basically just draw a picture of a schematic of the animal or plant that you want and if we knew what we were doing the system would decompose that into a set of stimuli that you would give cells to get them to build that particular thing up. Because you're going to micromanage you know the the you're not going to three. D print individuals stem cell derivatives. But you're going to rewrite the goal state that the cells iraq accessing the the self collective should be more precise. The cell collective is accessing to know what to build in went to. Stop the the idea that there's all these different levels that are interacting with each other is a very powerful one and not just because there are levels with different sort of levels of course graining if you want but that there are right levels in some sense right..
"And it is this pattern. That makes them be. This makes them have this destabilized anatomy where they're not quite sure if they should be one header headed and you can you can manipulate that electrical pattern and and convert them back into one worms or two two headed worms or whatever one of the interesting. There's a there's a paper that From our lab. That's about to about to come out in a few weeks. That looks at this as a as a as a by stable perception problem in the nervous system. So you know when you look at these things that are the rabbit duck delusion right or or the necker leeann for these kinds of things. Yeah so so. There's a there's this there's this ability of nervous systems to exist in almost almost a superposition of states where you're in. This is very much top down control right. Because it's driven in both cases the the photons the pattern of photons hitting retinas. Exactly the same. The reason that you keep flipping from one to the other is because you have expectations in the frassoni. Sense right you you you think. It's gotta be a cuban..
"The people like dennis. Noble have been saying this much better than i that you can't simply pick a level because because you like it you have to pick the the best level and how do you know what the best level is in the best level is. How much effort do i need to put in to control the outcome in the case of You know region medicine that outcome might be. We're going to replace a complex finger or hand. That's way too complicated for anybody to build by hand from stem cells or anything like that so the question is going to be to. What extent is your system. Persuadable there's this. I visualized this access right on the one hand. You have things like Cuckoo clocks are not persuadable. You you are. If you wanna make a change in the way that system works you have to rewire you have to physically change the hardware. There's no getting around it. And then you have systems way on the sort of on the right side of that spectrum which might be humans or they might be other kinds of Advanced cognitive systems. Where trying to intervene in their activity on the molecular scale is may be possible but realistically you know the sun's going to burn down before you figure out how to tweak all the all the all the cells in a person's brain to get this or that to happen so so there you're probably better off with stimuli with experiences with inputs than take advantage of cognitive structure of the system to convince them or motivate them or train them to do various things and then in between are all kinds of agents many of which we know so animals and and simple a is and and basic life forms and cells and then all kinds of agents that don't exist yet. I mean i think one of the fun things to talk about is the space of possible agents which i think is going to be actually enormous in our lifetime and somewhere on that scale is the correct way to interact with everything you come into contact with an and you really have to ask..
"And if they were if they weren't the right kind of parts one of the things you would get would be electric circuit. That might do something and one of the things that might do. If you're parts included transistors is that it might carry out logic functions in so it might be able to carry out certain operations that would be logic that from which you can build up all kinds of complex computations and so now you could ask wear the laws of computation lives. That's an interesting question out. Certainly right certainly You know the the operations of and gates nor gates and things like this now. We're not in the electric parts that That you've got us specification to what what's it did was was shaped the parts in it. Shapes the parts in a way that when those parts interact together they make circuit in the part that we studied. My lab is largely The electrical aspect of it. Which is why. Keep coming back to these kinds of electronics analogies. Come the amazing thing about the circuits is that they take advantage of really interesting laws of physics having to do with electricity and how that propagates and the laws of computation which allows cells and tissues to make decisions into memory. And things like that. And that's that's where really really shines is to exploit these laws of physics right but the I guess what. I'm trying to understand better. Is this idea that there's no top down directing of what's going on in the individual cells. I the cells that make up my liver and my brain have the same. Dna in them and they're they're just doing their production of proteins and sort of all fits together at the end of the day. And it's not that anyone wrote software to do that right. It's just that the dna that makes that happen is the one that gets passed on. Well i'll say two things about that and certainly no-one wrote the software in the sense of some sort of designer so that's fisher But but but i will..
"This is a correct frog and that thing. Stop moving and stop proliferating when that when that error sufficiently small yet which is a remarkable way of thinking about it. Because it's probably not most people have in minding. Well i say most people. I mean me. You know. they're not being a biologist myself. I think that we think of what's pack into our genome is roughly the equivalent of the instructions. You get from ikea or something like that right here. Some building blocks here the steps. You have to take in order and at the end. Hopefully you get the finished product. But so you're saying it's not like that no it's absolutely not like that and On the one hand we kind of already know. It's not like that because if you actually look the view that you've described as definitely kind of the mainstream perception that everybody has given talks to nine year olds in middle school. And so on. And when i asked them what determines what comes out of an egg bird dinosaur snake you know what determines the shape of comes out of an egg. Everybody says the gino in a certain sense. That's true but if you actually look at now that we can read genomes if you actually look at what's in the genome you're not going to find anything in there about the size the shape type of symmetry of the organism. That's going to come out. And what's important to to realize is that we currently do not have the ability to look at a genome and guests. Anything about what. The shape of the organism is going to be. Now you can cheat and compare it to the genome of another organism. That you do know what it looks like but this idea you can read the genome And sort of understand what the anatomy is going to be is is is not the case and that is because the genome does have a recipe. But it's not a recipe for shape. It's a recipe for proteins. So what the genome does is a prescribed. What protein hardware every cell in your body gets to have so. These are the the smallest sorts of building blocks from which sells built various structures. And so it's it's sort of like you're not getting the design of the shelf. You're getting a description of the metal. That goes into the screws and the in the wood or whatever it is that goes into the other part..
"Hello everyone welcome to the mindscape podcast. I'm your host sean carroll. I bet that most of us out here have had the experience of trying to put together a bookshelf. Or something like that for my kia or from wherever some somewhat complicated piece of furniture or something to have.
"michael levin" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM
"Seven forty seven back is the phone number welcome to the program it's that stupid for Glenn what reasons why Michael Levin IT gets embraced immediately especially when the ridiculous idea that he's going to run for president happens is because all of their other candidates are terrible it's a yes major problem for them yeah either try to find anyone who maybe can cut through the nonsense problem is there just isn't there is anyone let me give you an example of isn't is there any closer and closer is a terrible candidate in so many ways she's a great electoral record she's won all the election she's been in and sometimes impressive fashion I don't understand how watching her perform she apparently had a good debate I didn't see that good performance but it was enough to get her to third place in New Hampshire and again when you're celebrating third place it's not necessarily the greatest sign for your number three I know you don't hear that check go up a lot out often enough but listen to how bad she is because she's she won her big things she gets this into our mind she starts continually repeating the same thing over and over in the same way listen this montage about a joke she's been telling the president actually sent out a tweet he made fun of me for talking about climate change in the middle of a blizzard and he called me snow woman Hey Donald Trump is science is on my side and I'd like to see how your hair would fare in a blizzard Donald Trump the science is on my side.
"michael levin" Discussed on AP News
"Lawyer Michael Levin noddy who gained fame by representing stormy Daniels in lawsuits involving president trump was convicted Friday of trying to extort Nike prosecutor said abit nadie threaten to use his media access to hurt Nike's reputation and stock price unless the company paid him up to twenty five million dollars the convictions for attempted extortion and honest services fraud carry a combined potential penalty of forty two years in prison Evan ID glared at the jurors as the verdict was being announced but said nothing afterward he shook hands with his lawyers and told them great job before he was led back to the cell where he's been held since the judge found he had violated his bail conditions the wimpy kid and author Jeff Kinney are both embarking on a new path amulet books announced killings latest novel is called rally Jefferson's awesome friendly adventure comes out April seventh the publisher also says that three million copies will be part of the first printing among the highest for any fiction writer would be kids best friend rally Jefferson is the book the narrator he'll tell the story of a role in the kind and guard the barbarian their quest to vanquish the evil white warlock the book is a follow up to last year's diary of a wimpy kid spin off diary of an awesome friendly kid give me plans and unusual promotional tour this spring as well with no advanced itinerary not even for himself every day will be a new destination decided upon by his publisher and various booksellers in Guinea will surprise children in underserved schools and media spans that independent bookstores all without knowing where he'll be heading next he says after many years of being on the road it seems like a perfect opportunity to do something daring and spontaneous more predictably can he will have his fifteenth wimpy kid book out this fall a tradition lasting more than a decade millennials grew up with the internet but this ever online generation may be uniquely positioned as targets of internet scams and they're talking about it in October twenty nineteen report by the Federal Trade Commission shows millennials are twenty five percent more likely to report losing money to fraud them those over forty the report also found this age group was twice as likely to report falling victim to shopping fraud reported getting bested by business and debt relief scams in greater numbers it was seventy seven percent more likely than older consumers to report losing money to a scam that started over email while millennials are more likely to report this kind of fraud the tool to prevent and recover from such scams applied to consumers of any age some schools of thought include being skeptical about social media shopping beware of work scale and doubt debt relief offers I'm Jacki when the head of immigration and customs enforcement says.
New York: Attorney Michael Avenatti Convicted Of Trying To Extort Nike
"The former attorney for porn star stormy Daniels has been found guilty of trying to blackmail Nike prosecutors say Michael Levin ID threaten Nike by saying he would expose their involvement in college basketball scandals CBS news correspondent chip Reid commonality has been held behind bars since January for violating his bail conditions as attorneys say he's reportedly in the same solitary confinement cell that held el Chapo the Mexican drug lord they say he's being treated like a caged animal of an ID is facing up to forty years in
"michael levin" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"To explain the bizarre three year litany of bringing of impeachment the emollients clause the Logan act the twenty Fifth Amendment the molar special counsel investigation stormy Daniels Mike in evidence Michael Levin Eddie trump's tax returns white supremacy we're session all lord knows what's next any go through them all China the push back against trump on China is a terrace for taboo and dangerous perhaps but no serious critic has offered any other strategy to counter for decades of systematic Chinese mercantile ism and economic exploitation do you believe at this late date that the Chinese government wishes to pause to discuss at length patent infringement copyright violation dumping currency militia manipulation technological of stealing systematic espionage or massive subsidize surpluses the Democrats wished to talk about that any of his critics wish to talk about that oil and gas we hear a little about the trump effort to green light more leasing a production of natural gas and oil efforts that have already made the U. S. the number one producer in the world for all the talk of climate change does a left tell us how many barrels of oil per day and cubic feet of natural gas they wish to curtail or whether the result in higher costs for fuel heating and power or with the cutbacks or whether we wish to return to strategic dependence I'm what happens in the Persian Gulf do they have a plan to deal with Indian and Chinese coal burning if we were to radically cut the use of clean burning natural gas do they know why the signees of the Paris climate accord for the most part have not and will not meet their promises well the US who is not part of the Paris climate accord has the economy what exactly are they never trump and progressive alternative agendas in the latter case are we do expect that the top income tax rate of seventy percent agree no deal reparations free health care for illegal immigrants Medicare for all cancellation of the one point five trillion dollars in college debt and free college due to wishin will avoid it will help to avoid a recession a legal immigration we're already know right foreign policy do we hear calls to return to the Iran deal as a rand since twenty eighteen summers but it's only liable partner that respects international commerce and does not support terrorism and never really had any plans to become nuclear that's a great point right nobody's defending it are they now and so when we when we look at you know when we look at everything it with this we talked about on the issues because nobody really which has ever to talk about the issues who said you know trump when it comes to the debt we are we have pounded on the Republicans and we said look nobody's really cared about the debt the last twenty years no no nobody really has I don't know I mean nobody in twenty sixteen none of the candidates you know in terms of the Republican field were were on that of course we were going to hear that from the left any concern for the national debt nobody was on I mean nobody made a court issue you may you may have had someone mention it here or there but really it's it's me and it's because the American people by and large don't care hi this is something that we have set you know the we are and I'm sure you guys the media but the tweets we say granted trump is no need to burn up presidential time stooping to spar with the likes of George Conway or Scaramucci and I agree that the back and forth with the squad does not matter trumps attention and crowds out mention of his economic and foreign policy records but then again how many times we said that I and my family were not libelous traders quirks deviance in numbers Siles and put in legal jeopardy for twenty two months as the media and XO Baba officials ginned up hoax after hoax if I had been perhaps I might have stooped to express outrage on Twitter well I mean we said that that we wow me times we said that gets lost in it completely if you became president added states even a loyal American citizen.
"michael levin" Discussed on KSRO
"Strip joints. I don't I don't understand. Why this is why the media doesn't say hold on a second. I mean, the allegation is there. But it's from this, Michael Levin guy, and he's got a speech, a horrible background. I ended up itself. So they just want to believe this because they want to stop the Justice because they want to tell me if you agree with this. They want abortion to remain available. This is really about abortion, isn't it? This isn't about anything else. It's about abortion. But it is also about the media. The fake media driving up its ratings to make enormous amounts of money. If you have a story that's dominating. The news people who are advertising on your television have to pay what have to pay according to the audience that watching the more people you have watching the more money you're making and if they're telling a lie a half truth, whatever it takes to get the people to what you that's the whole deal. They played out one person. Now, they presented a second person. Now, there's a third person. And if there's a delay. There are being there will be more things that they have created and fabricated to bring this fine Jerry down it's shameful. It's absolutely shameful. But that's all the Democrats have to offer. They don't have a personality to lead them. They don't have a program. They don't have a solution for America. So that's where we are. It is our pastor Jon hagey the name of the new book is earth's last empire..
Regenerating Planarian Worm
"michael levin" Discussed on KALW 91.7 FM
"The room was wrinkled faces women teeth missing man the growth on his neck like a human toll all smile pipes falling in their mouths alive chicken pecking my foot all looking swee gawky at her who made strange sounds with a throw work with michael levin and drums beating below men throwing them shell she distanced silver at the center of it all unusually a tiny body makes sense of all that she's white man and looking straight at you need do you see any other wiedemann it was still easy to spot you how often does the men in my audience come in a thai so you are an adventurous imperialist i thought but for the my education took you four weeks why i've been busy and case and has always been undervalued in the west hasn't i don't think that's true no you wouldn't euro westerner how can you objectively judged your own side i think it's possible to achieve some distance do you instincts in hill let's go these are the smells of your loyal i love them for being my fans i hate the smell they leave behind i too can dispense myself from my people art for the masses instead the excuse to keep artists to the gentlemen will you enlighten my cigarettes i don't smoke blew a loss did you did cigarette i might have blown a puff of smoke right between euro come.
"michael levin" Discussed on Wow In the World
"We interrupt this program for a brief birth break while in the world we return in three two one batty is that's my tweet blazer so to your dream garage can't great idea i'm just going to go home go back to bed and forget i ever ever saw your mouth pooping warm farm i'm just going to era why did some of these firms i'm listening now imagine a little group of rooms varying tiny space suits helmet's on a mission for you making this up the only summit okay what was the mission that part israel so michael levin a professor of biology at tufts university in massachusetts hippies platforms on a mission to the international space station in low earth orbit worms on this mission noel lot of humans including me you would be more than willing to do to cairo their mission was to show scientists here on earth how microgravity your weightlessness in space might affect the weight these platforms are able to read generate and leaguelow two and wider professor levin than these other scientists wanna find this outlook here is to see how living in spain.
"michael levin" Discussed on Overdue
"Like when we became friends louisville yeah like when we keep became friends you know he traded bracelets and we hugged for ten straightening club mostly correct yeah what else do i wanna talk about i want to talk about and gets into trouble yeah it's kinda wanna oats cutter i'm i know that diana is involved in some of this trouble so as to talk about that as over one sock about trouble okay your site who let's do it to my an mishaps section in my notes ferry uh so she has diana over referred to you on day and she's very as many like eleven twelve year old people would be i think is very excited to play like a grown up yes and so she wears her second best clothes and diana whereas our second best clung all presently all illegal you have like four or clothes yeah as said have church clothes in your words canadair apparently to your level closes the your second best clothes and then you're scabbies yeah you're scrub what that's just cheer as what my mom a colleague sweatpants flakes just your hanging out around the house clothing called of a skull be your mom rules and and and murhala tells and yeah you guys can have some this raspberry cordial that's in the that's in the cabinet no nuts and so they play and the hang out in the eat and and goes into the cabinet and can't find the raspberry cordial where murhala said it was but one shelf up she finds what she assumes to be raspberry cordial ends up being like old wine there's been up there for a while diana drinks three glasses of it y'all and goes home and her michael levin yellowfin or twelve whoa giant of a tank.
"michael levin" Discussed on WJR 760
"Warning both savage nation contains adult language adult content psychological nudity listener discretion as evolve go to exciting radio show both savage nature homo order what culture and national radio all of the war michael levin the savage nation i am michael dell journal in for dr savage filling in again today he'll be back on monday to pick up a copy of the new york times bestseller trump's war more important now than ever in the news gauge flying doesn't it or greetings from music city let's discuss the top story of the day the surprise of the day spicer is out to put this only the perspective for you don't i because what everybody's talking about on social media is not a this is this is a step away from rights freed this an establishment republican voices in towards trusted inner new york circles and that's why scaramucci is head or this splitting of the communications director with the press secretary so we get messaging better not love to say happy days are here again all the problems are god spicer's gone they're gonna start communicating now and i can't do any of that with a straight face right do i think this white house has a communications problem you bet does this the white house think it has thinks it has a communication problem you'll back advice spicer's outs wgn and nearterm sarah but will ultimately solve its communication problems until it solves the great communicators communication problem donald trump no so we take it all kind of with a grain of salt but let's look into this let's find if we can a silver lining in this now here's my silver lining anthony scaramucci because we've seen attack after attack after attack emily there's a difference between revelation an attack inference and evidence so all this begins now in his as we talked about the last time i filled in for michael and michael certainly teaches you quite well look at the things that we've ignored i mean there's definitely doublestandard i mean you wanna compare what we were talking about before the spicer resignation and comparing donald trump having missed usa pageant in moscow if they russian never bought a condo in one of his commercial buildings that's collusion that scandal that's a smoking gun that's a cover up when you had the i.