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The Superbike Show - 25th Nov 2020 Feat. Michael Hill, Max Cook, Brad Jones & Indy Offer

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The Superbike Show - 25th Nov 2020 Feat. Michael Hill, Max Cook, Brad Jones & Indy Offer

"This motor sports radio. The superbug show radio. Hello and welcome. It is the super show. My name is lester live. It is wednesday evening here on motor sports radio. Thank you very much for tuning coming up in the next couple of hours. We do how they packed. Show foy we have News all the brand new factory Triumph and who may be running that. Now that's coming up later. Michelle also live interviews right here coming up in the next couple of hours with india offer. Max cook Michael hill shortly and brad jones. A bit later on and your comments and questions that you've got for all those people because we all live. This is wednesday night. It is the superbike show. It is motor sport radio stealing conversation. Contact the show on twitter on facebook and on our websites thought radio. Wow that we go so thank you very much if you just tuned in and you are with us. We have a four panel a really full show this evening. Thank you very much to j king back once again. Good evening j. today less than how's it going. Good amazingly we just about on time as we've been i think it's gonna be all thank you. Thank you also joining us as well as tristan finocchiaro. From the if you don't know of course. He's racing exploits most recently in the National superstock six hundred class. He'd be there or thereabouts from. I'm going to say next season in twenty twenty one but with what team. He will tease us. We'll find out very shortly. Maybe i don't know maybe even Possibly with the new triumph team in the future that would be a dream. Dot com account announce anything solid got. Nothing i was well joining us back once again. Fresh out of quarantine bought only for an hour on the show tonight. Is michael howarth. Good evening michael. A up good evening. Everybody i miss last week. I didn't realize until stem when you're interesting sit. I'm not being funny bit with my archer accident. There is no way. I'm ever going to try and say your last name. If given a kind. If i'm ever come into country on the twenty thousand people ulcer bach is gonna go very passionate because scope before the law song about names that you can't pronounce. Can you pronounce the supposedly. New japanese reuter at honda. Let's not get into to possible. International incident not believe on on whereas someone sent me screenshots of his instagram. I've ever been on his instagram page. At center says slow on the show that can do all these and sit and smile and and be all nice well like it it completely wrong goats indeed michael hill on the show very very very shortly imminently in the next couple of minutes but yeah just a quick reminder once again because we are live you can put your questions to our guests tonight. We've got loads of guests. Hopefully everyone will turn up on the right time. And they'll be no overlaps because my head i'll explode moving boxes around and things and so we've got brad. Jones lights are on the christmas questions department. He's we don't let not seek route. I mean considering a max cook also going to be here as well tell us what he is doing next season if you don't know whether he's recovered from ease acer pretty big hip injury as well. They add in the season in spain. Racing out there. So that'll be interesting also. Gp talk because well catching up on the latest on that. Sure you probably already watched it. But if you didn't trust in and the gang we'll tell you all about it and also the author on the show a bit later on towards the end so if you've got any questions for any of the guests get him to was at motorsport radio facebook twitter. We're on twitter as well and tonight. I believe we're for the first time ever live streaming on mix cloud yea mixon essays from music people. Yeah okay cool on sure the audience will be streaming through comes now taken off that to be honest of inappropriate use. It comes as quick quick news before we get michael hill on. The show was some interesting. Bits of news in gp. Brad smith apparently back with a chance to be britain's only gp rider next season after he was well. Now's backup aprilia being dropped. He's been given a chance. Testing is ease back with the earliest. Squads you'll still be still be a test drive of their for them as well. But i think the permanent seat is looking like it's going to go. Well there's a few rumors being dropped around. And this these. I think Georamas has been linked to that bid. Zaki was linked to that one point. But i don't think that's going to happen. And there was one of the ryder linked to that one as well but yeah. It's good to see broad bottles. Be continuing with them. But it's not gonna be. It's not to be as a permanent seat right. I don't think it's going to be joe. Robots because. I think i've already seen pictures of him with his new on his instagram. I think so. I think he's out of the question. I'm still hoping chaz agai- going on that now. I mean after i'd send the beginning of last week twice the phone twice each whoever's going to be kind of wings tested with machines an seems semi again. I don't what was on the gaza on the team that no you cannot bradley something after every summit rx riksdag salvador finding out to just go faster and faster and faster so you get the data from the testing where you just got lots and lots of the same. This part works not to seem to me again. Truly regard the march for next year because thanking developed. A no one else com- devoted to ballsy before we get going arrive. You're going to leave home to develop military polish. I'm just leave them. But you ought to be on c. We'll ever all things can happen. That roy is going to be battling for last place in. Gp's they're there to do battle next season and really and even the piaggio green. Don't use that to their advantage loss. Then there is absolutely no point in vain emoji thing because they can the macho everybody got it can develop only it can do whatever they like nobody else come not gives them a chance to become a top ten player once again and not just on occasion when great. Mike ulitsa early to see what he thinks. Well we are actually going to do that. actually bring giving the show. It's about time we got a fresh fresh opinion on things instead of the the todd walton daily bugle. or whatever. Talk talk no no you well. Yeah obviously you welcome on the show tristen. Yes please go ahead and introduce our first guest is going to be talking about. Wilson is the world superbike man himself. What products show host molecule hill michael. Welcome to the superbike sean. Thank you for inviting me to be talking to. People show this year now super excited. Let's say that michael was on the show better. Leads of yours is brilliant on. We cannot wanna see chrome purpose all doing anyway. Yeah not bad buddy good. I'm glad to actually brought me. Because i was listening intently to this debate and i don't want to jeopardize any future career with micro employers as anything out at two but some kind of a inclined to agree with with michael a little bit in your that author derived from my understanding to several moton to ride as jehovah's maku John tonio believe they also made an approach to redmi. God and i don't know that's or not but nobody wants to ride the impression and i think vibrant a podcast as well as just a couple of weeks you know. How good is the flowed. I don't mean that as a disrespected Borrow because he's clearly a fast writer but you know the all to the To some of those writers haven't even fought the championships in mozart's how good will they six like when we're were talking about. Let's put it over the bike. I think it'd be great to see american all the by it'd be great. If bradley smith stayed on the bike it'd be great if chas Be on the bike but as dumped the we compare apples with apples. I just think that this missing on the line. And i don't know what it is because Working totally not department. But if i was winning see short one the best proven to go back to wolf. Michael was saying about tested. They also from the risky with two right is here. You still have a point to prove who still wants to be on the grid potentially smartaboutmoney bodies exactly chasing a lot side michael instead of actually coming in and giving smith well enough to know that he will come back with valuable but it will still be chasing the time rather than trying together by what's gonna go for twenty five laps. He said of finding not well not base unfortunately spaghetti because he jeff lewis bolts wall. Mx not buying so much better than the is certain times really seem to sell his arrest. Barrels should've say and think these pacts me. The good look wildly. She's doing better than it. Always falls away and arrests and it just seems that they're almost cooking star seasonal before before it gets going by making sue ryder. Strive and fight for place now. It happened a few years ago in from county. Scott against wherever wins the season seasoning. Houston gets the pot for next season. And because you raise you chasing for pilots knots an absolute account. The everybody wants to dungle supposed to be tested. It just seems they're gonna be taken another step back when they've got a chance to take a massive step forward and just play devil's advocate though realistically. Would you put on the bike. I mean most of these contracts now completely war decided so for example calcium a room to courses in that context several hundred thousand years to by somebody out of that contract. So if you are a remmy gardner if your job as a team in place is going to come forward with a bullet Rider in the same as as a quarter of a medieval contracts and on the flip side of. You can make them what they've done. Win the legs of middle. America abroad bender. The guys released and they were winning. Races grunted on the end but again. You're not comparing apples with apples. Because india was a winner of a podium. Finish your boat zoo. General hasn't been bobbio Quite but he's throwing it away all the time. Well you know so. It's it's difficult. What i totally get what he's saying. I'm not trying to. I'm trying to see both sides of the argument. But if you were cleaning realistic with put on the bike because everybody's so unless you want to get lorenzo out of retirement and put it back on the bike it also who realistically good ago. Full time to give fifty percent jersey graduate for a kickoff vicki bible. I won't watch the whole thing. As far as i understood from what i've read in the media and reading between the lines. He he wanted to the right. It already signed the contract with. He told translink listen. If you go we'll go call. And if that's what if that's what really happened. Then that leaves the seventy s and it's all trump before the season starts because cost joe to go and that was long as he told. Trans can go. Listen we understand that. You're american and you've got options with you and you thought maybe going to gp was a good idea and we accept your here and we'd be. You're happy to be here. let's get away from now. There's going to and not come before you even start as well. So that's another double edged subway. Joe nuxhall almost repeats it before we started the season which is which is a shame. Because i do obviously makes a good writer is good and we'll go out for us is. I'm not knocking any those writers that mentioned all i'm saying is if you're taking a multi ride as profound race winner At least tall six championship. You know i could understand that but if you're taking a ride that necessarily hasn't before week in week out the taking musset race but on the flip side when people said exactly the same about five. Zero zero supplying racing team signed him a couple years ago. Everybody said what the hell are you do. You taking his case racing's Under the guy was with the revelation wasn't so a for don't fully know what went on because you know you've heard stories about jovan saying he wanted to ride. I've read reports on. How had to go rookie. Says the zero didn't want was used to take the rights. I don't really gonna know unless we're not better than say what we know. Somebody who has an inside would not to know when i guess. That's what makes it different now. Is it ten years ago when rod is lead to teens. You'd have to wait for the fox machines of things to come out now with social media every monday. I don't want to have that to penn. State wants the truth. I just a pretty decide whether Brought salvadorian i just they. They came the right person in that. It works out. Because i don't think any of us on the show tonight lows listening. Nobody wants to see a pretty a- struggling and we want to see every manufacturer competitive right back obsolete obsolete the desserts be biologically with the keller and the things that they're doing the past they wanted five fifty easy natural progression. So yes i. I would not want to see him off the grid for one second bit. You'd at the end of these things and so ended next season if jobs who probably tell by i see. It's all trump will come back and go. We spent all season say. Well it's not really wanna be with us anywhere highsmith. It depends what you're out of time. But i just read between the lines. I think the do there was definitely communication whether it was suicide straight away. I don't think it was because adult that you would imagine salt dressed. I think that it was sanctions. And maybe the the principal for exaggerate. I actually went definitely been a good conversation. He say if if you join up kings and joe was your your roger research. That is meant sorry not to look at the pros and cons if he goes to pick up. This is the best chance to really rafter. Developed by bringing also could be called so lots of the and bike that this gubernatorial ranks so that next twenty twenty one would it be the worst time to go to trillium. Now wait and see wh- bradley do not just because i'm english brayshaw. Whoever i do think that bradley deserves the ride often. Seven hundred product. Zyppah time in the seventies got a little bit left to learn. Get bring him in. But that would be the way. I'd go with it but i'm also not so got and came back to jay robots and having having american into intermarriage ep. I do think that we are going to see an american coming up into intimately. Gp at some point in the future. Whether it's going to be joe roberts. Now we've got coming bobi as well as coming over across from from america and tomato tasted as well going to be really interesting next year spanking at a young kids jumping ship. Any i'm interested to see how it goes. Because i know really well from from the whoop it up in modem america by junkin i personally would have lived through seeing cameron. Clo- garrick girl comes to wilsey provide. Because i finish. Airing will provide for an american states. The late great that he hated with jared goff in ice said beginning of the season short bound inflates said the girl clicks tires eddie jones without team when he ignored talent crew. The jared woke honestly said at the beginning of this as i thought he could win for the podium and several respective people which i shall name such as the you know. I was trackside last year. Three or four america races. Where cargo was the lowest in every session. Concert absolutely cpa. But i'm a bit disappointed about small from the selfish. Because i'd love to have seen while cameron could do get an opportunity. Hopefully we'll see for by wolcott disease. He has yamaha a few years. Donington in any any did really well. You gotta take off. But he was winning top ten really well but it will be interesting to see. How palmer lows in mozart to reprise rollers Josh wasn't years back yet haven and he struggles to do a doctoral prototype there. Mike you've written many As much as cairns quick. Nobody doubt that everybody can see. I don't think it's going to be an easy transition prototyping completely different way riding the advantage. I think he does have Going into the motel to go didn't have putting into provide is the highest because multiple america Generals so he's gonna know all been title behaves which is a massive problem. Remember goff at the beginning of the qualified ninety got seventh place on the first couple last of the product. Show that with troy liang's Twelve thirty eight laps until two laps Golf because it's a completely different He's gonna know his knee. Michael how last time woods which is a big help eight. I've just been doing some filming for something else today. With the little that we took some about the size of things today at work in the advantage. You're absolutely right the dunlop's they're all very much much renowned from the american series them through to multiple took. So we'll give him a good advance. H where where. It's not been there before. We'll we'll have to see where it goes without. I've got a question for you To shit on another american ryder an adult stem. Why he's not bra across. The era again is pj kherson but we took to recover two questions at once. Did you got it. Set up the wall after a sentence. The the we'll super by the out one was more aggressive than the amway said. He was so sued sweets around. Allow people say like when they initially get on the east zarqa. And here's the roger. He's backing mo-. Ot this happy showroom that they go on the one and they did brilliant straight away from the get go so a lot of people do say the one. He's very easy. And roy initially gallant to go from well-supervised than prototype more gp by tino tipping two hundred eight hundred ninety broncos against you to break offs superbike. It just shows even with the consumer electronics electron absently going more. Gp how well they have got not so into. This is directly at michael because when pj come over to england bread a reasonably chump each you can the super stocks excelled a didn't do badly in bsp at all you can say field season. You can say it was a what an archetype season. But then he kinda got to american and he's never seem to seem seems combat since to europe in the wilsey at jump in all day or if that kid. So i know what he's capable. I one of my speeches. I've got from racing in my career is coming leicester and it's nazi these documents as low mid to lights and and stop into the distance. I still had to shop it to me and watching him. Ride trackside theme super dot kids. Don't in some way you never managed to get back europe but you might be took so now. pj really well east years The wilty more judging what a few races go into wool cpa by colgate not necessarily the best team at the time season and then decided that it was better to go back to the muslim americans. So this year. He lined up with a Numerically the supersport championship. Becky found out. Debris may be expected. Think office just underline this year again jumping the garrett the leveling motel narrator the sharp end his fast. I think it's very easy people. Look at wilsey this In the overall late rolling people looking go over the levels. Crap it slow. The mike slow the levels. Not good alert guys tried it because the level really quick at the shop ended jumping and domestic jumping. You know arriving level will be really hard. And i think that was a bit of a wake up for. Pj quite started the championship this year incites signed to ride for the for the celtics. Hey just ekg caddy sitting on the gauley. And he wants us. Time america in the superstock class in the way that they would most americans that you can ride the superstock class and then also ride my bike in the superbike cook to find swell the grids which i think is initiative and he was he was winning top six in the superbike race unfortunately which was also held that there was a technical problem. I believe with the biden. He cracked by crossfire Cidade buzz Which is counting out all seasons. That's he's a fine of just disappeared into the vortex wedding. Is he gonna come back so i knew. He was a couple of rounds towards the end of the inauguration. But i'd like to see page. I gave it shots. I'm not sure whether he's gonna say next to give him that he's been out all of this year But he's another one hundred percent that needs shulte to combat across the on by. But could you know. Michael you receive Equipments you got to be the right place at the right side. You're gonna have the budget faces gonna fit. Which is probably why you stopped but jobs. It's not just as simple as twisted Kids around the world. They can twist the rest of the difference. focused and talking about well-supervised for just general. Not now people are saying well. We talked about here. Why not british ride is on the grid motif or quite simply because the federations in the uk. Just don't suppose it looking into the looking. Spain you live. is that a fleet. Hey federation's second off pace previously xbox one of team they're putting pollutants of thousands of euros into. And what do we do we. It's so sad. The government doesn't give any sort of support to suits and quiet quiet if you will this fall. Well there's no subsidize any which temples the stroke about full and I think i mentioned this last time in nineteen ninety-three donington park in the final to grab trade nine branch riders. That were not great. One of them finished wanted to finish. The and there was joe. Mcguiness jamie daily. Jeffrey was out. There was nine british ribes next year for the first time since then there will be no breaks ride on the grid and west. Bradley smith gets the ride. And it's very sad. The i would rather mississippi is what's going on in britain and with with the way the mall three championships paid room. Is the sound cook. Thing wolf starts at two green. Long as donna donna donahue as much as what just passed. But you still gonna think that he's going to be. He's going to be five ten years before we see two or three bricks on the great and common food. There's not a lot. I think j you put jae kun and after watching jet roddy in bisbee chicago and he might be the next crop once he finishes patrol more signature. And where do we go off to jake so percent years before we get anywhere near get in a few ride back on that great. Yeah yeah you hit the nail on the head on you. And i think it's a great initiative what's is done by lining the brace tomenko. That is a great initiative but beatings Beat happening in In france for the last ten years. Not we're ten years beyond with we. Look you went cal cal kinda popa of the the podium in we make lewis and we saw a little bit you know. We'll just send one hundred zero every now and again you know well-supervised brit supposed to go but it's going to be. It's going to be a well. Like i said jay dickson every is next grill for tuning because he's never know circles in the pocket and look after my opened to jake is plenty us enough to go well on an early north shore and i think that's all we've got time for from michael fennell. Thanks not michael for coming on the show so it's been really good to talk to you. It's been that much appreciate now. Absolute pleasure and let's just hope the speak for. Everyone was speeding than any any championship. This year of everybody stays safe and fingers crossed. We get back to normal if only so that we can bite michael how to replace that. James is the lead singer in the tutorials for life. Charity johnson. Next gen to say that i got said trophy unsure. We raise a lot of money for charity. Which would be a good thing right. Robin is all invested. Even jazz michael taika superbike show on sports radio on friday smith. Progress on bucket. I am tell sites his motorsport radio. Yes definitely very much for tuning in in. It's the super bowl show motorsport radio and wednesday evening. We are still live. My is less stuff. Thank you very much shave. You just found us for the first time ever while we do this quite well as as often as we possibly can do. I suppose Within reason it's myself fair On the show. Jay king trust in for chiara is also if as well and what we've got more live interviews coming up shortly with brad jones jay on the show very shortly indeed in the next few minutes. So if you've got any questions for brought jones. Who is the official. Still the official motorsport of the rider of the year two thousand and nineteen but not belong or maybe not Then you can get your questions to also max cook coming on the show but like the and offer You can ask them literally any questions you like on the super show tonight because We don't really have that much of a filter If you send in the question is probably likely to be To be read out on air So yeah just briefly before we get onto the next the interview. Well that was an interesting chats with michael hill. Wasn't it michael howarth. Yeah speak to someone that stuff inside and always been. Keep me a little bit on possible. Mention is going to try which we are going to get to that a bit later on. We we've been hearing rumors apparently Which should definitely not coming from michael. All of whom may or may not be behind the triumph factory team in nba superstars super sports apis blow but if he do definitely now are if you are the person who will be running that team then get in touch. Hello good evening. I know there are few bs. B team bosses tuned in listening. Live right now in which case. Hello good evening. Thank you guys right so it is time to get on next guest a trust them. Yeah coming up next on the show. It's going to be really interested to To brad jones of course ties yamaha rider and has big with the with the past few years now as well certainly. Yeah he's definitely very talented. Is is brad and again. If you've got we literally just waiting for mom call so Let's give him a of information on detroit's for season good obsolete. Well i don't know. I don't know i haven't been keeping. Maybe we can ask him with his career. Don't want to say anything just in case. I've missed an announcement that he's already made about where we will be right. And i don't know hero be writing next year but go. You're sitting on the fence less. But where we can ask him. I suppose when he can alison person. Yeah he can. So yeah brad jones coming up very very shortly your main takeaways. Those guys from what we just heard from michael hill the The bullet points from that j. What did you find interesting interesting about why you're saying like who would be. The saito agree with me. I don't agree with doing making reuters. Go round and say l. fossil can go basically till they kill themselves But yeah if it was my choice. Hollywood if it really succeed oh detroit to chuck as much money Trying to get videos. I wa- cows come in the team Obviously is is money that talks and it just shows how little confidence allowed talk. Loyd is of god or even like i said there's two right is that they they wanna go you this Obviously we're seeing calling to and say wreck people's careers based on per back step on my career Week like scott and sabalae's but now both of them roy does now a slow nissan of karachi built this back up again. Scott's patrick sake factory rider to cut you well superbikes and some probably with To so hot rod and about it was it was no elson to for them to the defense what they don't listen to the podcasts. At scott with a knee. Lunch last night and i repeat what he said wisconsin tobacco because he's only twenty nine but it was an then so yeah you think people everybody that meets no going to sign up for the ride next year wherever you may go seem to understand what's going on sale and don't hold it against you for not getting the results in person that you've tried your third for not being a minute late. The guy with all sorts of crap substantial. But i consider that we've got comes back in. You can do your go. I just thought if if tristan was too. I mean people don't need to see me stuff but down you Tells more who have. We got on the show yet. Well now coming onto the show guest of the evening is brad. Jones course british supersport. Stop right how are we how he did. Yeah not too bad. The to not see biden really excited to have you keeping you busy during this off season. Not much just doing a bit of work. The fill time. Just take an eye on the train and bit zimbabwe so Make enough food in the season. So yeah keep busy always stomach today. We'll so you've got you've got a pretty good twenty twenty twenty one season as it's gone. Just just talk us through. Yeah we'll obviously to start off with you know training throughout so like january february march. Time thinking you know we even gonna get racist year So yes it was difficult to get. Go go go in an august and the stock was tricky. To be honest. The first two rounds the top Had a crush intestine At craner curves at the end of the first session of the official task the lockdown. Just yeah just one of them. Just a typical crane crash a four. Got away with the boy lightly As it when you get it. Crain either way it lightly just from not one on the first two rounds would you struggled and we couldn't really put a finger on it and miss out in the team so attending the by inside out trying different. Bits and bobs and ended up finding wish you the by which was hold me. Box will make these changes. Go nowhere and lie. I was way off so the laptops overachieved the previous season so we just have to doubt deeper but you know the we all team stuck by me and we we dug in and we go to sword and then we ended up. You know in the last four rounds on a high into obama level wearing your shipping and then yeah we and we ended up points. I missed out on the finished second again. Which is good. But it wasn't the plant as you can imagine now. Of course i mean you say you struggled at the beginning and then and then some turned around. If you didn't ask you what you found helps you come back to full. It was just in the Damaged which we didn't realize And we managed to go through everything and found a problem so it was just one of them things that affect the way that was handling And it was also a scratchy mad. Because i was trying and then the probably is well to remember reid and Just a big knock on effect but as soon as we found program it was like night and day difference in the way we went and we then carry on the season of. You know how was expecting it to go. Yeah no of course. I mean having a having a teammate. Rory of seeing how consistent how strongly was all season what was it. What was it like having having teammate. Not been up against someone on rory kevin into the same as you know always every up. Athletes have always had super competitive team teammates in pharma jock and rory. So you know. I'm used to be like a friendly rivalry in garish. But yet rory coming annuity quick And the all six is really nice by derived so you him come from the the key to the six that he was going to go with it You know we'd have some tough competition again. So yeah it was good. I knew he come in and be strong You know and we. We had some good races anina heavy rain strong and he got the job done so fascinated him not just emily wrenching into the scenes. Or was it before you clock. Y'all gonna up against the dollar discounts. We couldn't get out after the first again was more difficult than Jackal rory as teammate. It's difficult over. Say jack if if we were gonna go head-to-head in a in a race you know has an all out of john hart amount to be because he'd be or aggressive but both super quick imbo super hard to pass so But in both roy great differently so you know you have to so you know roy. Take a different tactic to try and raise them soak But not both strong. You know now export champions. That was definitely a few situations where we could see that you were you. Were digging really deep and pushing. Really hard to racism. I mean especially alternates is the example. It comes it comes into my mind how they feel when you dig in that hard and coming out with the result if i really sweet. Because was the luck of sept- previously. The the star was a struggle when it wasn't y expected to to then turn around combat ready strong and obviously win. The first race was really nice out. In any way. I could try record there but Yet to roll out there we set the weekend off well with top in the first. Fb one so. I needed from that point on into the weekend. We're going to be strong. And i could do it The first race. Good how charity. That's a win. And i wasn't gonna let it go so we have dug in and got the job. Done much was good. Top in that top in that session gives you like a mental advantage going into the weekend. Yes we as you know you so you know if you start the weekend out strongly your feet and strong from not one on into the weekend. Generally you set off on a positive note in the lap times you. You're trying to achieve probably come a little bit easier because you're more relaxed so i is always good to talk the first f one if he can is sexy stuff of wealth of the weekend. Yeah of course. I mean having been obviously with That same for a while now having such a such a strong team behind you does that. Put extra pressure on you to get results. Now not told to be honest. Because i think you'll miss me is almost gone. Yep wigs come into the team as you know how it would have been a time. It would probably been Dating the time so into the team that you know and that there was no pressure from them whatsoever. It team very fos is to to bring on young reuters and if you look back for you can see also. They've done the whole way through that this race in history so semi so role in the team for the first few years at least was just to to come in and you know show not for progression and the name. So that's almost to a mold may feel like into to what they would want and push me out frou frou of rains. Which is you know what league done. They've done a pretty good job so you have a thank them for that in credit to the whole thing. Now it's it's been it's been pretty to see you up through the the likes of felony. Since since you back on the four fifty and three superstock six hundred and three three supersport suffer but for the thinking about the future. Do you have any other any sort of plans in place. Whereabouts are you in that respect. Yeah at the moment things a little bit more difficult than normal with the added pressure. The pandemic bits and bobs is lying but Yeah i have no real bands in place ya. I wanna get some done soon. I'm just looking at my options. Really know do do Progress on from soup spoil begin so carina onto a thousand thing the thing for the last couple of years which had been tough man is my physical size weight and so of lima. Showed quite why you see like the offset thin such a small by you know. I can't really tough him that well so you know giving away a member. We went to the first test that this thought this year at monte blanco on a stop in a straight. He's given away like a thirty eight kilometers in iowa. Every lock down the stock straight just because the more physical size so about who has been a disadvantage And then i feel maybe onto a bigger by not be an advantage so just need to wear the options and see what's best rating in seeing just trying figure out the best option for me moving forward. Sorry in hudson go thousand yet. I'm brad have very very little experience on thousand Few years ago before when A looked going into superstock thousand show. One guy is is at x ten and on that means that extends foxton off But not is my only experience onto On a thousand so you would say have next to no experience files. And so if i if i go down next year then is going gonna be a big learning curve. So surprised look options in in sleeper. Stops os are going straight to superbike. I'm next year. Just just looking at both relooking all march and super sports you y superstock just saying what's available what would be the most wise option move before look the next four five years as well you know. the see it's gonna take me And i m alex four or five years from still alive honestly. Have you gone offering place. If you can't take say with macadam another super spots even d think with with what's happening next year with the new rules coming in with a seven six five trump's decay the twins the if you stay there and seeing where most of the people going into super by next year that may be responsible way which i think you capable of On the right bank to watch for that could option. Superstar seems come to you rather new searching for options for twenty twenty one where they go probably look for you in two thousand twenty two. Yeah is is difficult you know needs to weigh up. Lanc ifo's disdain super spoil. Am i going to be any different barrel physician. The more i mean. Now you know Obviously going into it. I would have to near the goal would be to win it this year. Really but Because he wants to. This year is not racist. Scottish nuts Yeah but you know the question yet again. It just wearing all the options and looking at looking at it future now which way do a make the jump now to gown two thousand or do i hold out for another year and see what that brings But you know some it will come around and whatever i get on next year on a competitive so basically what. We're trying to find out with a new team. Yeah yeah you know that you have yeah. I was spoke to them for next year. For i mean. I was kind of interest to us to get a little. Bit of a feel about your. Your real ideas connects you but that was was looking up to you and not that i know bother anyone else. Then i would. I would seriously saying listen. We're going to save me. Save for one more year. Left clumsy watson your capabilities. They've see me around the party in komo crap. But i also know what what i say if it was me and i was a guy that was the got new listen that. Let's go to spy when the superstar jumped cheap next year and provided confers. You don't need to make pop writing superbike newly capable of winning and gog and saying that from the shop you'll be from but that's just my opinion and i you awesome just saved for one. Five cenex payments. Yeah no some valid points definitely And this i've been thinking about that since the phone around britain I've rust in rushed into any sort decision either just so ho- hold and away and Just see what's available all in getting different opinions as well to be there About a points which show definitely well. You've heard it here first. Michael howarth is going to become brought jones new mountain into twenty twenty one. And if you thought it's all about world supersport. Because i mean we've seen you do a couple of orcas i think it was also with With macadam is that something you're thinking about how definitely hundred sent the past To make it happen to go this year. I wanted to be in world through this year. You've seen over the last year. Twenty nine thousand nine. We did while cod at donnington with the odds which was really good. Yeah rate enjoy yourself. Tha-that's why the will be set up the riding. It's talk the team talk at the end of the end of last year. Just again the bit more experienced guests dealer into the product. But i think it's been discussed on the show before it's just the money in bulbs ago was boys just restrict saying he's no way i can raise a hundred fifty to two hundred thousand quid. You know no way. So it wasn't for the money with definitely have been been this year said but it's just the money And it's it's never engineers you one or two good gears mostly boy seems to be. You need to pay a lot money radio. A guy wins the world championship. You will sleep. Responses said that the after fine thank quarter million quit. It's a great it's just insane added is just yeah i just i just don't found it unites scholley be you know they've got been sensitive Especially brits only ever nationalities to go that but when it costs that so a money to do it the no one's gonna do of but maybe with the new the new so rules regulations that come into the suit forecast maybe that much and not bit more back from the manufacturers themselves which which which watched which is what we need of their. I mean this not speaking at a certain. It's no secret that when you go to world superbikes world superstar for three years seem get subsidized by the championship. You get paid for this things get paid for your transportation thing so gherardo right well. Have you go. Solid gives students ariza quitting. You go you like a bit of a p tank relief when any man. That's running the top of a championship. Then goes us. Government goes to find that. So i can understand maybe twenty thousand euros so i'll see with the cost of certain things. He's traveling things because ended table is a business but to be asking a man that's want wanna jump in for two hundred grams. A justin obsolete ridge and off. Yeah just extortionate you end up ends up coming down to the with one you money. Not not you not you know. It's it's always the way that you feel like it puts a barrier between you and the threat. Where because you don't feel like you'll get what you fans exactly and just never works really worth that with That the economic climate is hard explained to me that can bring paints would same. Why not seem go find that two hundred thousand exactly. Yeah the questions to be asked but it seems to have been this way for the last few years. At least you know and shame. And that's why. I think we now see in a lack of brits coming up through bull into by gpa. You'll see yourself like we were talking before that you will. Once the likes of people going through well superbikes. You won't see that brace dominated anymore. All throughout the to take you to a welsh saying now exactly you know. His visit drought. Come indefinitely for british reuters But you know luck of said you know maybe the soup sport if if the manufacturers comply bit more money into the spore in a help bath thumbed it then maybe we will see you know some more time come up for exhibiting obey is using in getting in the right places in the corruption. We've spoken about it and we'll spoil quite a bit gino on last week and he was talking about. Is this something that from your experience. Anyway translates into british as well in terms of cost in british. Yeah yeah it was the british for you. Know is is expensive to engines and ties and everything but yeah it's difficult. I think people come up through now. The route seems to be you know maybe junior super bowl. Time cup Doc sick so you know it's a different route but to do superbowl on your own. You know as as a privateer would be a lot of money and to be competitive in british under the current regulations. It is quite expensive. We've electronics than taught. Is i say a difficult one. But other than their how the rule who base out with a new the new rules coming place thing here and beyond i am. I have no qualms in. Let's say a dozen the lots even cheaper spoiled. They're to like you. Say the the cost of the by ties. The entries made custom. And let's split should put a figure grundy grundy make a smoke 'cause less but then if it seemed that said loving set to their father if you can meet seventy five. Next year we will run your. We will ruin amazingly. I have qualms with because he'd say is domestic championship and you can see conceit. Maverick right figures. I think okay not kind of work that's to do give my love. The best possible opportunity aches when you get a pet mark for a super spot mpg. The books made these teams are international and they gained subsidized so heavily by the people. That will superbikes anything. I watch taking the you know. I don't my mind copying covert. I do know that seems to the. Did you find on sponsorship but the just should be limited or something on to something this book me for a year or two and half adam seems are failed weed seems not success. Teams have done. Also yeah you you're not gonna get brits swine off into world supersport world superbikes got sits at the of money with you because it's just not going to be there and brought that to win the trying to make super spotted a really good idea that it may bring the cost down to if you go to world supersport and they're asking for hundred times and then if you are color provided that's walnut brief super spot that you wanna move onto super spot. You can take your personal sponsors with you guys loving twenty thousand quit. Yeah and. that's that's doable. An almost stanford because sahlin eight brings the advantages of sponsors wanting to come in swansea and look after. You know what i mean. Yeah not sure unless the cost to run in a you know in the world championship glasses unless these costs change will present as we discussed the drought with british rogers especially prude route etc into motoo So yeah hopefully things change because we we need some more grits to come up through In assuming over that myself so fifteen percent. Don't we're much position but do not. Well then we have confirmed. I think that's what we've got time for me broad but thanks a lot for coming on. It's been brilliant to talk to you on about funding. I never seen so. Thanks a lot for coming. Thanks appreciate no look coming up next then. we got Sumer even more interviews. Come join the conversation. The show on twitter on facebook and on our website for radio it is. It's the superbike show radio. My name is less the thank you very much for tuning in So yeah that was another Fascinating debate discussion and Yeah Thank you very much. We've got a packed. Show this evening on the superbike show So we we kind of busy solve the literally as one person leaves another person comes in and coming up next in just seconds. We've got Young rider max cook Who will be on the show imminently. So if you've got questions for max just briefly talked about what we just heard from breath. But i think michael think did you see him off when he said he was talking to the person who was behind the triumph factory team. A sound. like you're almost off talking about them. Davos yes he did. He almost let something the bug. Do you really think. I think you made a slightly. Ill could foreign any knowledge whatsoever at i. I could acquire as the swearing bill. I don't know anything. As soon as i can figure i'm gonna four minutes and clint might five percent we will. We will tell you. Hopefully we'll we'll have chance to Get talk about the rumors swirling around. There's a couple of A couple of names who he could be a couple of team someone suggested halsall triumph down. I don't think that will be a reality. To be honest. boxer also really really really avenue anyway. Yeah we we've are such a show. We've talked about like anything about what. Michael was filming illegally today. Or what he was doing. Involving yorkshire puddings. We've not gotten stock about that. We've not talked about all the other. Bits of news moto. Gp is well yet. Jesus that was the thing. What because we have a load of guests and trust. Please introduce for us our next guest on the super show yet coming up next to max. Cookies been our in europe per representing great britain. Max how are we doing. I think you're your backs hansen. On how the. Max great You don't say bad about how you keep in jerry west keeping you busy i'm doing By really Just all the just trying to fund road british talented pain. judah Tonight and budget. And why do they. They said they condoning next year. Which is a big shame An is actually quite difficult to the some famous late in the year Everyone's sought out the twenty one season in britain so is getting difficult Just keeping hopes to to of course. We'll definitely touch on that as as we get later on in the show for anyone who doesn't know you of course i mean we've been following the the groceries forever forever for anyone is just following this top level. Just talk us through how you got started in racing in a how to our away on saw six seven years Unless thought off in the kufa raced in championship For many of those fifty you kids now made my first that up on the big charts nosed while in the pretty soup On the old one to fall it's And then i went to british free with rookies two years. Not the bridge program And then i graduated and went to junior championship with versed. Huntin niran now so good trip Can't complain obstinately. And we definitely not cutting. It cuts your hair house. This year has been a think up and down is a good way of putting it. How's it how do you feel. it's been fee. I think most roy say they've had a roller coaster. Sees nothing maxes out the most wrote a case to Yeah kind of had their but then at the same the best season ever so often the judge you could start to the year goes on it kicked off in july That fought up in the front. Very which for me for a break. Roy was such a big big thing actually So cool man. Race was really good. One yeah yeah go on record important. My you know the five year course rory's retro that some special so And then it went. Downhill run free television in two places which was which was caught. A big thing crashed her stint. Have fats imacs most big a free crashes normally involved quite a few people but yours was on your and yours trae spectacular. No thank you get credit somewhere on this stuff you show up saw how. How did it didn't look. He's not an interesting video logs. Just in the graph will trying to own into get out moving it to ensure the k- Now's convinced it wasn't broken or anything and they took me. They dragged me to the hospital. The team that is good job they did. Actually 'cause turns out it was broken but yeah a road. A month later in arguing for nash With broken broken up so Audrey good recovery. I've got nausea free race in Out in out in the ma treatment Not i did pretty good. Yeah i just finished off a couple of weeks ago and valencia Yet was three up Actually thinking back on that No it was good now. How's the how's the hip next. Good us Let's get folks on them. You know because obviously not my. There's not many british riders out. Where where you've been writing. Just just tell us. What's it like racing at. This level is a lot harder. Expect think. I think all the kids. So i see that if i is kid in the world and keeps an england. She realized how fast they are like the. Tv doesn't do it just this Like you rachi. The are yet easy optimal anyway him. When your child and you think how is he doing not almost part and it's just as well how close is like. I can put it in the garbage. And they say all mics three halls. Oh yeah twenty four on the and even we watched the a free races and you can tell in the last few laps the so much race craft involved in the half as much on the bright pot. The track of the roy pilots audiences. It failed and a. It's just brace look scary. Motions good through and you see the last owner now is is such a good race free now of do detroit's who encourage more people to watch June stuff as well as if it's just a free. I'm the well the three hundred superbowl definitely the best racist. Or what chumming. There's laps neva those races that just well most the time just connie chung the last few laps. How much should i is a strategy. And how much is just bulls to the wool. Optic to be fat lot. Noni fought the senate bishop bulls through so it looks lawyers obviously ego. Yeah normal consistent fluor front every time that that just rod you can get it wrong every time and then the special ones i guess but the rest of the pack the twenty five of them it just lunatics and coming because one thing it was fun quite interested in a lot of people talk about in fact this the style of racing's different and it's different races than your competitor in uk. What in your opinion are the differences. The main ones just. What it is is forty degrees. You got you and you're gonna be your group feet pull And it's just hot as anything that to adjust to kuala another thing. Just how professional is. It's literally where i wasn't seeing they It just gp the kids law. The bay arctic lorries. They have all the matt. Gp teens It's just so professional. Would they do it properly over there. Have you learned. Spanish yet then can speak fluent spanish here on unfortunate that monitoring spoke english. Because i'll be produced. Wilson was it in light than moving. I mean because obviously you you came up through the talent cup and then into into the talent team. What's it been like moving through nuts game. It's been quite To be honest. Because og of in i guess the guinea pig if law debris talent cut a first year ruth all the ten in the the first year of have been donor involved if anything brash. Though the of of seeing the front. And i guess i i was just hopeful I'm just excited the running the front and seeing all these big names but just the in national name really that taught busted wrestle on the nose name in his talk into me about things and then then toll to me and say much she won't be in the gene talented next year probably longer biggest muslims law. Oh say three big memories. Which one do you like the most the port mayor seventh-place. The red bull rookies podium winning the standards championship a couple years back. Which one was the the biggest. The biggest ones may was bred. Buber keys podium. Yeah ghost childhood dream. How much are one try. How much did just be on the podium whereas truly now max is yeah yeah runs. That's fucked fog for my biggest achievement on Archetypally understand But obviously all those who those things like winning the championship get to read keys selection event barrel just huge moments for me which are yes nights me love while other people. Tell us about like the the selection process for the red bull rookies. Because we're seeing vc eddie's going so yeah what what. What is the selection process. Lloyd the selection process is sphere about this tense kind of notice in atmosphere of about which i've never experienced anywhere else. She good that For two days at this random tests and his all these kids from around the world you'd never seen before he didn't know how fast they are. And you're just really know this Gal on track these auks which you've never been before but they met your case when you did it or will. They have free bikes. Never met they will match. Today was for a fifteen years old not the day they were from the original year. Yeah yeah it was so old and get one that boggs. Ben traits were suspension bonds out. It was an experience. Just throwing but roy fastball the pressure. Because you go sports on each corner just is really now this and it's a knockout stage said at the end of the day. They get the talk. Make just cooler list of name and your heart is beating so fast because way for to say in an in the mind the top when he said monday night or go into the rookies Days ma quick. Fire questions if you gonna to you anymore. Questions i lozeg. We should them. We should talk a little bit about About your plans for twenty twenty one. Because i mean you did mention it at the beginning That's what your focus is on now is it. You look into stay in general Apart me on the yeah yeah love this thing junior championship simply because you know can you could next year on route. The my godson she spirits with it now next year. You got jon murphy. He's in free monette And it's his again next year because of asian so he'll definitely been moving out there full ruined for brit in the world championships. Definitely twenty two sculpting in the mind other. Exactly what part of a seamy east go under the eh in the seat but on that too and can run at the front on. No one can do really good job next year So of it which is a shame because the raw of gone over one hundred thousand euros now our team struggling to pay the mortgage is Hundred thousand year is for a year racing. Just is just outreach. If you love me asking that rod with price tag team. That's a free ride. is it now. Yeah everything's pre khalil hon. The food pay. Everything is is pretty cool and this is a brilliant scheme to have to to bring up in third and then obviously the problem is once you get then. The funding needs needs needs to come from needs to come from somewhere but it would. It would be brilliant to see. You have another crocodile because like you say it's been thought you've had a really good year this year. I mean it's been a year where you start pushing towards the front and it'd be good to see of consolidate on go even stronger next year. That's mean i think. Done a really good job. Chiro see with roof cooled a top five finish proven You know and then for them to cut me loose so early as you know is in bonn just like sheep stay stay put my head up folks a reason than Again to that things put for next year. And your knowledge is there no sort of sort of schemes aways of funding. Stay out and we'll championship level Not think if you have one hundred thousand years then can you can get in the championship. But i'm not that kind of money. That kind of subunits maps. We can see him. You're living in assam. Mother fathers in all the clothes leena boy genius way so it is great to see you back and Looking ahead to next year. Whatever it's whole hope. I won't do what i think we did earlier. And ask you. You've already been like maybe talking about rides just just in case you know for whatever reason it doesn't happen but I suppose we'll just say best of look max really just before we let you go and finish the rest of your sauna again. J you have prepared some quick fire questions for max. Yeah well these are for brad but your experience with the questions anyway Roy lacks if you out the choice of a gp race win or bsp toy. Or which one would you choose. Gp rice with will. Here's the second one gene said and for trying any more of a circle around the cycle as i on the road. Yeah yes yeah. Yeah if you if you ever had the opportunity would you ever go racing. The t t or the north west or is that big. No nine do it hundred percent. Yeah okay cool away from rice and what is on your bucket list therapy it young for this but there anything yet today. you stay friends next command Say oh to headline much coke. Single dot com out and then Any tracking the world. Which one's the one you're most royd in in your career. And i think most people knew me that will know the game people like to say probably a bit for ruining your career If there was a to contract on the table or a world superbike contract which one would you choose but to say yeah Can you remember your first ever tarmac race winning. Can you remember the people you were raised against palmer. Race live in jones storms. They say Charlie atkins almost Jamie davis most of kids now are in six four on the. Yeah yeah with. Being in the nervous class i guess yeah. Yeah next on If you could go back to any a or rights in so atp well-supervised air would you have liked to have race in. Who would've your lights raced against a lot to with like kevin schwantz. Yeah yeah everyone says boy. Do you want to hundreds what was it now sees trials on rod about. Say you've been on a few track days on thousand that you enjoy. I'll see you in our troy. Coast love the power power. Ask yeah well we. That's pretty young was not legal to be on the thousand a year age yet. I'm on the super bowl. How great a very question. There wasn't legal basically anyway this actually this was gonna be a question for probably a question for you the future of race in and you like the looks of the electric acheson's do you think have you ever had the johnson gets arrived on yet or would you think you would enjoy broad one but fun. I feel like they'll be looking toy and not like a mother by a man i think. Do you think you'll miss the sound of the bikes things. That points do eventually go to electric. Yeah won't be the same with it won't be as maximum. That will my questions for me today. right then well there you go Good good questioning. Sorry cotton alone is always doing something else. I was actually just gotten some comments just to say because i know a few team bosses tuned in listening to the show and While it seems like a few bucks. Yeah i was goes so many male exactly so yeah they Bought maybe just. Maybe we'll see you Riding again doing something in europe all wherever just quick thing. If max is struggling to find rallied. I'm looking for some more team really does for my Free take series of maxine. Yes hi max interested in doing some endurance race and he's more than welcome to come join sayed. Yes i'll be there in you. Want to pay him. Yeah i think that's appropriate a few teams The might be interesting now. They have you heard of the pretext series max v seen. It wasn't yeah. I remember seeing. Yeah you were there. Because eddie was rolling in money yet. Charlie atkins eddie marauding in it so we did the mallory park race as just absolutely county. One hundred bikes on the grid falls called shit. Yeah country and also. Don't forget fab racing as well. The occasional bike race. Or whatever you want to do their wow easy. Dot com for aces totally fun. Now bring my one day off so excellent word from you. Max and Well maybe we'll talk again over the winter aurora early in the new year after you've announced a superstar big ride somewhere a doing something glamorous and yeah thank you know as max jesse a fantastic. Thank you very much. The superbike show will continue right now. Show on motor sports radio on balkan. I am thome sites who is motor sport. Radio yeah brilliant. Sue from max cook eight is on the show eight sir hello and evening news going to be sort of thing happening so yes still on the show with his jay kink j. He's been a fast paced show so we don't really have much time to talk To just on anything else We were talking about earlier. Boy is your to carry keystone goal. Obviously steps should talk mind would be suspicious minds by presley. Obviously oh and do you have to have a few drinks before we get on the or is it me. Yeah yeah the jets. We need tomorrow. Boasted wouldn't be busted actually is a living on a prayer on jay fake wash. It could've gone through. I by the one time i was a little bit. Not roy had enough to get up on there. I think it was some guilt. Beautiful by james blunt. Oh gee i was joined by people. I i wasn't just on my. Let's learn something about roller of courses heights. All off. what are you talking about. You say the acdc all the bg's to say see say all the bg's you could not be different dopamine. Fox whatever. But i won't tell but i won't tell menu with with my singing abilities even though has been Singing quite a lot this week. Mostly so the new acdc album which i actually purchased with money for the first time in like ten years actually bought an album. Ooh does that instead of just like screaming. Anyway that's beside the point. Because i wanted to respect music and the guys alike in the midst. Well before we get lots about this the very last over my was online and he was. It cost me ten eleven and it was an obama girl. The one who brought eight hundred seven so. I'm not really all favored by music integral looking up. Whatever dumpsite better you had is one in talking about sir. What the what. The kids are listening to nowadays We have our next guest coming up very shortly on. The show will be who he forgot to max coat. We don't brad and we do michael in india offer. Who's coming up very shortly on the show just before that though do want to tell you that i have been scouring messages that have been flooding in a couple of them on the show so far this evening ian hop craft who was seemingly very interested in what brad jones had to say and he responded by saying something along the lines of He would love to run Brought bought no stock thousand. Je catty afraid. Well maybe do. Crawford's gimmicks expert views originates. Yeah he's the oxford jakarta. Not repeater little ball bumps and a guy that works we gotta take for. We'll see what he would have loved to. Ruben i'm guessing did not say we're going to win a second nature. We're not way for second. And then this book for the second ride on red wine and life because she knows it's going to be sp for at least yes they would like. It was Greg haines originally said the. Tommy wouldn't be with them all they're gonna get a second roida so i'm going He said that they were talking to another rider. Which is technically true. And since that. Steve moore didn't come out and say all that load of nonsense. We're not getting rid of tommy than we. All presumed it to mean that they are actually talking to another rider. A second ride on wolves. I guess when. He's three signed with ops grownups. I think a two year deal gets well. this is i'm gonna physical exercise. Omos influence is serious dollars all right. So incidentally by the way if you don't already know tommy. Bridewell walls confirmed this past week to remain at oxford products. Jakarta i think. It was announced on the website. I read it on the website. Say that returning back to the team. Sent it to you today. Less than you did. And i read that thinking. Well i didn't even left so i don't know you return the remote. Gp him off So he went back to benz their lives and jump back in Ross allegedly sound. Sounds about right now that we we ourselves involving Heavy rumors and discussion debate here on the show. Never well apparently may not be salmon book master. That's the hot rumor. That's we hearing on was it on the one of the livestreams. We're we're all over the place at the moment after we've ruled out might probably not be. How saw obviously. Because i don't think he's anyone's heard any rumblings of wanting to get back into the product all maybe they have. I've just not heard. Maybe it could be calling roy. He's been out of the paddock. Now you're running. I mean as owning it. Maybe i don't know. I mean a colin fox intelligent to spend his own money. Exactly exactly. he'll he'll look after the people's money maybe bought I dunno but that's just a name that i've heard being floated around simon blockbuster. I don't know it kind of sounds about right. I don't know. I don't know why he i don't know it's just a rumor you possibly have. You heard anything. Concrete all simon. If you are indeed listening then set the record straight. If you'd like to on the show you like you're more than welcome on but that side anyway. We have loads more still to come in the show and not much time to do it. So let's shut up and welcome on next. get tristan. who is in coming up next on. The show is well three hundred writer for Twenty twenty one twenty two twenty one. It's going to be now. The moranga racing team. India offers indian oak in a little bit mediterranean. Yeah i can't complain and so on. Spain a i'm just trying to get as much training as possible. It's going because of course this year hasn't been the best for trotz right always much trainings. I can't do much. Well ribera of course because i was no no repairs perfect We've got we've got So yeah it was good. I was riding with renzo fallon this you see. I know it was buffet. Wholesome them you know for those who who who you are. Just talk us through hyg dot in sports and how you got where you are now and so. It's not a very long story Choice though i didn't the end of twenty seventeen My dad's needs to do above club race in any said join a john john. A guy who saw pretty much boileau ninja three engine gave a guy and then the next year. I found myself. Embiid sb and it was an interest in you. It wasn't so bad. I think the best vision finish was eleventh so it was an awful. It was a good first year and then the next year we bought four hundred because they seem to be a little bit faster and it was difficult year with four hundred and we been bogged for the rounds to. I'm still confused. Why no one really understood why it was one of those things. It was bryson. Salad goes and yes. We've finished that season with the best round is sick and for why not experienced worlds. What would turn out to be the youngest brit coach world so it was. It was just a decision that we made. This year has been much less year. And we'll sue. You've only actually been racing for three years. World championship compete with the best. So this year was the end of my third year. It was a strange year but yeah threes. You touched on that. You're the banker. You some of the rounds. How many rounds was the bike. Works the The songs years starting and then we go into into a smooth Crash ago hit from behind. And we think that's where aware problems send from and then We couldn't really figure out why it was soga Bent from there on out but and we go to fix up foxton for some reason it just magically when scarver and then ever since then it works eighty percent that year was just sent like so even on from. I'm you've moved up now into into three injure class. I mean how's it. How's it been. It has been Widely talked as i thought it would be and that it's I'm not sure why. I started you of broken ankle so i missed the first three rounds. The which you know. Put me on the back for just a little bit more. But he's been very good he's been scope is the the way the world is european broadest raw to compel squad very different and change in that since the way they do. Things is is towards the look bad saga and you know having teamed You know just wanna do is how you see your progress and having teammates as well. It makes everything so much easier differently. What was the main main differences. Sweetie i think is because of the tracks you know. They've go arrogant and arrest and we'd call often parking well so different than you you can bribe different on them circuits and they just sorry late on the brakes and so early on the throttle. The shoe could say they. They've got the runoff and they've got these super wide sweeping corners that you can use that style and then using the chinese british soil on speed and not using so much. These doesn't work on them. Tracks change completely is how they do not sure. I'm from for months. 'cause i wrote in the class before you did. I mean the main difference is just the space you have. I mean how much track you have to use you realize and in fact when know when makeup peres came down to two. Bsp lussier twenty nineteen. He did the last round of browns was right behind him for a good few laps. And you could see the coming up a lot of corners. He was just running around everywhere because he wasn't used to having truck so narrow so it works both ways. I mean you go over there and all of a sudden you've got loads and loads of room and then they come over here and all of a sudden. They've got no room as well. Yeah completely like the the cubs almost the whole the whole length of the straight towards cooling and. Sorry you've got all the space to us. It's not is so weird space. So sure i mean i remember like a great example floor because yeah you spend so of sending a lot actually on the paint rather than on the tarmac completely and are going as well circuits really. You're just constantly the kurds. If you're not on the curbs then you'll lose in seconds from your laps or was it. Was it what you expected in your in your first year at world level. I'm no. I don't think anyone could really go into it. Expecting you know getting what they expected for me but it was in it was. It was a good expectation. It was an me being completely talking about war talk. Of course everyone came parks and if it wasn't an overwhelming how i'm gonna keep up with them. It was more of a dead fox. But how do i get to that yet. The it's the it's not like you can't do. Just how am. I mean for those who don't know because obviously it's a very different classes while in many respects is very unique class on if those who don't have the qualifying system is very different as well in the way that i mean. There's quite a few rhonda's on the grid. I don't know how many now but it's up to fifty six sheriff fifty-six rogers the top he can beat spaces on the grid. And then the the the and then you've got a last chance race where the top six then go lineup of the last six spots on the grid says quite a unique way of Of doing things is like now. What's it like in that system. It's great because We're just being clauses. Well you just get so much track in gemrusa. That's the that's the best bit but let system in general and it works quite well because you get rights no matter what the the one thing is if the top right is you know cry. Sure they just just not getting on in the free practices you and break in. The law sean. Raised with them. Remember remembering custody and it was sculpting folk liu and i think muffles into a few of innovation that who finished in twelve championship. So it's he's he's really good concept by these difficult as well when you know then is do come into it also means that. There's a hell of a box on track. What's it like riding against so many bees completely different. You know these. The europeans is so confident before they because they weren't in such big groups as well you you you have to be a group you know writing groups of sixteen to eighteen constantly and if you're in that group places arrogant on that you're losing to three seconds so as good as you've got to be within the same in spades those riders to be with the group so good but but when you're at that speed just it does make a little harder because you already lose in second two seconds sherie the highlights of your current imprecise. I know just visually watching youtube guys. Talk to. One of the championship could may doing cobras. And then superstock. And i have never seen to. Cobb is in my life. You use these kids. Do not trying to raise the on. Second i didn't see includes fault jumped euro-maniacs and youtube just saying like lord well above straight to seek slots so let it at at its racing so so well a lot but then when you when you got race records latte right. I'll say in this box. And i'll take you about one. No i spent. That's all. I'm going to say something because i mean obviously anyone who's washed most three was rendered stuff like that absolutely budnick and i mean how you cut with it. I mean it. Just just tell us what you want. It's been like for you. Because obviously i mean you've you've got the experience in jewish but then doing out in welsh is again completely different. It's still the same fitting of you know being on the grid and you're still racing. You still want your sound. Greek you still with the same nerves is club rates in. Its is still in the same. You're still racing for t to win. Everyone wants to do. But you know. I've had my my team manager or mechanic you know that we're just sitting on the credence bridges. We're not we're not silent but we're just waiting people to crashing about changing stars. Doing this wages the showed out his say. We've got the next fifteen twenty twenty five minutes. I'll clinton's dry holes forcibly is kind of just relax and the thing. Is you call it plan as well because as soon as you drop clutch that your plan just completely gone out the window so yeah miki you can any plant so much then by the first call. I've gone down and other fathers go foot was going to happen. It's completely already gone out the window. So yeah no. I completely understand what you've been. A think is hard to look at it from the outside because it just looks like completely crazy. Monica racing but from the inside. You've gotta be to be able to pull it off you've got to become and thinking about what you do in and getting through i mean from the outside and it does feel monica at the same time but sort of a calm aggression. If that makes sense yeah you controlled aggression of you know when to when to do things and not because you can instantly enjoy writing. We've seen many chances. Yeah yeah exactly. So you've really got have that controlled aggression of exactly when not to do things and when to do things with close the a not a lot of venture into it's not very very heavily populated in terms of in terms of what made you choose the class will. I'm only thirty. This is now my third year in the nago. Never been on small bikes. He was just go to sticks. Stock six hundred and chime powell my way through that but i think that almost more scary than rights. Freon shirts for me at the moment so it was. You know uncle at the opportunity and to to be on the world stage is i think where everyone and everyone wants to be. I don't see the difference instead of going from june soup. Sportstalk sixes and stock thousands of britain to you know staying on the same bike a couple more years but going towards scott drew is twenty three on across go twenty four. You know eight years older than me and that's when cloth soy is. There's no reason not to do the same thing with joe mcphee and a free really and yeah no exactly as his dream as to as everyone is to be at the top of the championship with a superbug so gp so you might as well stick around in well. It's you know your name gets mentioned a bit more because it's a world championship. So i think is definitely the place to be fuel really true signed another year now with biscuit or miranda what goes on for twenty twenty one. Because obviously you've how you've heard by now you know what it's like going into next Everyone said to me before. I started as soon as you get over. It doesn't get easier if you can get through the first year that section jit because does easier so of course issues benefit upside down as well. yeah. I did. And i broke my ankle. Thought the is just completely on the back. The change and everything about my writing so the next year i think the system in world useful run. It is changing again. So i don't think we're going to be out in the last chance race. I say it's just a room at the moment bar. I think that's the way it's gonna go The for next year. It's just keep progressing on what we're doing and just hopefully try to get a few points if not could be lost chance ray system if there is to be battling in that top six for the for the name for say it site to click at the end of the season and you know you see some artisans. Six that the way. So shoes fingers crossed. So did you have a long term plan is to be able to champion coast and is the same for everyone is just be a champion. What they saw to me is to stick around in welds for as long as opposed to began But i think definitely now i've been in the european environments. I you know whoever is our for me. See the anything like that. Just to stay in the european violent because now i'm on the tracks Going back it's awesome parked in katembo is going to be going to be interested in. It's something is i mean. I did the same thing. When i moved up and then i came back to be trucks newsletter. Learning all over again. I mean it's the goal is spoil ago little. Well it's give kooks a it's such a big jump from the three hundreds to politics on the moment Because we've only call fifty fifty fifty four horsepower. And then i'll put hundred hundred and thirty almost. Yeah sorry in houston. We saw Hendra and i leave the door. This should that it was a slow start season. I it it just takes time like everything. So of course is the the way to move up soup spoon superbike but what happens. Yeah stresses how. Well manuel gonzalez system. I mean he had a very intense. Winter is basically on a six hundred every day. But i mean it's still extremely impressive as to to jump from the free hundreds the six hundred soups book loss. And do that. Well i think as best finishes a six a little person the auto show how he's done in winter training especially if it is well on most sure how we got an unbelievable not now should open a door for. Because i'm being in. The pilot was very much the you can't go from three from will three hundred twelve. Six hundred to jump is too big. I mean i spoke to a few team managers. And that's what they said But now having seen what he's done that could open a door for war sport. Three hundred dollars to come up three into yeah completely. I think he's the three hundred needs to be just given A bit more. The shaw been more of a challenge. Thing if you're the level and it's free hundred stand. He definitely can't make that step boxing. You just need someone to believe in the confidence to do it. You know now. Manuel was showing that you can do. I think everyone is go. That low confidence priests that they can't in this years ago between three more. Gp any any team bus gleefully so he can kiss you swing. That's all you don't have the money to say so. He's no after. When johnny johnny ray was six hundred in the british it was quite butler. Said talks would come out and got older me said. Listen we're gonna get you fit six hundred strength to superbike. the ride. Is that suit style of of cycle than as the johnny ray was proven also talks with krieble right by see what johnny how did not super spotlight was superbike rider. And i know that you went to world. Superbikes supersport for the vichy. Just because there wasn't the right available foreign been doing with this. I think was so unless three rams when he eats a call from sandra will swap remember. Had no this. If you're the right the right kind of style. Does america go from grade streets. Fear to super by the sunrise thing that can be shown cashew. There's always gonna be. I mean most of the time. There's someone who can spot that as well can spot. Someone style is good enough to specific class bender. A lot when we're watching him on my to people saying and he'd be good on emoji bike and he's come through improved it. Yeah no completely and the same. We've grammy gardiner. Oh he kept saying as soon as you get. Some big bucks gets big parking. We've had the big east doing veteran batsman. I should say burmese turning them. The same russia because if you remember he had an offer karate sorry what for pursue decide to the katya lost year. It wasn't the black to be on. But now you've seen in this year. I think he's i think he's kicking himself blowback. He's in the academy now. If you like the motoo. So i thought sir with signing for can't see next year the subject where dhabi's not can't schools cannot see twenty twenty two and also gave him or tried to buy chat comes out there. He's already started to get wwl not bike for next season and because donate twenty twenty two w arrested sally across combat pursued. She's ride for twenty twenty twenty but you're right if if if if randy proves it. Sorry i've got three claims in from briggs himself next year that you could find that what if what i'm saying he's doubling was gonna get that right then ramming could be the one that's going to get the writing twenty twenty seven. It might not be the worst thing. Yeah completely. I think he was linked with the with the a pretty broad and i think he was being number weight. Railway johnson examined every really. I did the if you go full grade you know going on. I can show some sponsorship into it as well but not going to. Do you think you you'll come back to be any point in your mind. And i'd never say never because is such a high level championship and but at this moment enzyme wanted to spend the next couple of years in the european circuit. You know. i've spent the first year on the european circuit so it must be city to go back in reverse all of that now. So but you know anything happen. And so say. I'm going to say no. But as long as i can say world or european championships. I'm gonna troy also. We'll be continuing to follow you in january in world championships. And i don't blame you for not not coming back and playing in the rain with sleet. Herath is a little bit better than than not kill. Absolutely so thanks for talking to india's member l'institut you again and hopefully will allow in our say. Thanks very much happening. Yeah superstar under incredible. Still think that it's only a couple of threes certainty that you is the end of the third year now. Yeah yeah yeah. I mean this. This show is all than your racing. Career seems only a few years now level. Super all credit. Yeah you're more than welcome back on the show. Wouldn't you tell us about your. I don't know maybe we'll catch up midseason tell us about your successes in heartfully. Yeah fantastic star. Thank you very much in the effort. I come on the super bowl show which we still have a few more minutes left off. Sports radio awesome ryan the superbike show radio. It's the superbike show last two here. Hello good evening and Yeah four four amazing. The shows on so quickly tonight is Without some amazing people on talking about amazing stuff We almost need a show Michael to talk about tonight show to talk about all this stuff that we said only. Because i'm like well who suffered loss and apology and everything else yet. Let's we'll have to do the show. You're gonna have karaz. Let's get through some prep By the way. I'll i'll thirty minutes before you sit normal carryover what we've been doing for the past few years we servant about. Oh yes. I'm lows not should have him on the show. Jeez yeah I was getting a bit nervous in that race for he was going to do it for a well. Yeah to renew dropped back. Some most three seconds three second apple when he's was clearly nugget may snobby. Let's just concentrate on what he's going to get automate. Some simon is losses. And said yeah. I'll be third in the championship. Now we will did was incredible as well. I'm in officially a min- wanted him to win it. I mean not taking away from from what you actually do with. The painting was in the injury that yet was i mean he was doing police. It wasn't doing a weekend in qualifying and practice. He could only do it for like a single lap. And then you could save the pits. I know that face the covering the pace when he is leaning against the boards and you could tell he was in agony act industry. I i honestly don't want to. I don't want to say that this is the wrong way and take anything away. I i know when. I'm probably going to know the laws family for called all much but with twenty years now and and help someone alex when they were kids and got lots to me but then will the donut. She can drink like kim fish. I've seen weather etchings of come from she will never give you never that woman. The dot is another level of drinking a what they put into that drinking assumes a into their race and i know that they will never give in so that some rolled through that race with a broken wrist was absolutely no surprise to me. Walk so ever because not family. I just note secrets. Dan alex and some soups great. Lots and the question you could see why when i talking about when they were kids to think that. And that's what sean. Three one on. Sunday and i think it the fbi met an award for the british right at the season. Then somebody going because he. He came into the garbage on sunday volley after his brother alex's doing account i simply out ride i cannot raise his vital digital myself owner. The ride and alex wayne cam met senate. Let's get the saw and just go as far as you come on. I think one of these classes slots was pointing. On on one of the one of the law slops to make kind of cancer it could make time but a port one of his less fussy slaps on the last lap so it just shows the the mom the strength of the month the courage of the month. That's just hope he wins the championship. Next season. i'll go down to lincoln keys us. Smokers came jake anyway. Him or jay did you say did you see his hand that he well. Yeah that was nothing. Nothing quite tops. The post that called it earlier in the year there. Did you see that one decision. I'm very squeamish. No sonal pitcher. Status is the counselor at the day after it counts sprawled himself because customs brand new pm. Dopey i think you've council. No bucking knocking too much. There's been a couple of comments throughout the show. Thank you very much if you have been in touch with us apologies for not reading out messages. Just because we've been literally it's been like a conveyor belt of interesting guests on the show tonight boxer regarding going back to the super spy factory triumph and who might be riding that well Someone suggested michael. That maybe you might be involved and then someone else shot you down on the idea of that happening. I think he was terri stride. Who suggested that you should just stay on the collingtree and the billions the we've got enough chips and gravy to which dave turner who suggested in the first place said that's quite true. He couldn't wanna a bath. Well there's a guy he can kiss my screen. This clock and i need to go on a buff. What we'd all be so you can keep come see south and asked to the thanks for listening guys right. Honestly company cracking me. So then you go. Michael warning the Triumph team i or at least we think he knows who will be no idea. I have no idea. But i think on escapes without really even know it. Prochains sewing for manny. Well go back and listen to that again. I'll go back and listen to that when i'm editing. It and i think he did suggest he did say that. He thought he had conversations with that. Was his words. Yeah the person and then then you talk about that for some reason Michael let's let's get onto talking about something else. I'd be like no tell us more who who dropped in tenant situation army south australia china move under. I don't know what was worse. That or wa- max cook one of his bucket list mrs that we think it is in the show citing. The song wanted to three some time. These past ten o'clock end of the show. Tyra think okay. Thank you for tuning in if you want to see at all our nonsense and just listen to any of the individual interviews are will be till four. Am editor in the mall in on the internet. Were just shut them out. And you can also go on our website. We've got a website. Mostly dot radio. Pestle michael our website which you are currently on motorsport dot radio if you want to go back and listen to any of the interviews. Just type their name in Michael house even got presents a page on that on the why. Thank you very much for coming on on tonight. Show what what you eat. And what have you been filming. Not so sergei this little plumper. I was filming a cb shortfall. The cold nice promo was think they're still really. What's the website gold line. Sorry that the professional about spent all day philbin some. I think it comes up to me last week and said he said cb show this interaction with zoom. And you wanted me to come on on. Do a program worried simone from from the world spots but also cook as less well. North carolina facebook page every other cooking for the past three weeks to get rid ready. Not well that was on the lie. So we we went up today on a back lama. I knew deaths saizen from loss out of the right chop for about an hour and twenty minutes so become dents into its shows about often iowa. We'll do the promo on friday. The announcer problem comes out on friday. We're going to try and sell it to stations and say it goes it was. It was on. Get a message. Mentioned somewhere swearing compliment. It was it was mostly prewar. Shit did you might have been called a little. But i don't think a call to see where the f. word. But i can't you must take that as a compliment. Lester i've been called worse. Mostly something about willie won't go back to work because he was getting off the air. But i i can't on today and upcoming air in another guests getting and we're going to do more outreach folks out for the winston i reckon a woman show yes. Yeah well yeah raced to discuss the little bit winter sessions got on this week i have been on a an interview invitational blitz the past week also. I won't tell you who's who invited on exactly if they do come on. Then it'll be by far one of the biggest things that we've ever had here on on the incident jones is near riots six because we don't know officially what he said because a muff anyway. Anyway i won't say too much about it bought. Omg apparently going to be announcing their second rider on their bike i think is on thursday morning. I tomorrow. if you're listening to this live and it may or may not be broad ray just as it was a wasn't hickman at the time when think trusted mentioned this. I think he wasn't well. It'd be for living well. He's got connections rich energy action for many by championship. The practically didn't turn out well it. Hello peter someone else so the end of the show. Paul knows bring some bring some food on the show next week and watching that. Show your work. i'll just. 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Local Hour: David Samson hasn't tasted his food since January

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Local Hour: David Samson hasn't tasted his food since January

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Where we'll get to david samson in a second but how many details do you wanna give people on a hoarding them. You said it's limited edition so you're telling people hurry up and get as many as you can't i haven't hoarded them yet but i should think about it so i was at like cvs. Walgreens one of those. And i was going to pay like man. I wanna kick at it. And i looked down and i saw like just a special displayed said special edition key lime pie kit. Kat and i said you know what. I like kitty cat and i like a key lime pie but this may have gone too far but it was like a dollar fifty so you know what. Let me try this. So i got one of those. I got regular catches in case akilah. Pike kit kat. The bad taste in my mouth. I got home an impulse. Buy dan bagging my days of retail these to have what they called impulse towers where they had little trinkets and the idea was to try to get someone to just grab a bunch of those things on the way out and it worked with the coupon pike. Kika so get home. Try to empire kit kat. Incredible incredible maybe better than the actual kick. No long lanky lying shocking. David your thought here. On what it is. I'm a taste unseen taste on tasted you would say what what it is. He's alleging they're the key lime pie kit kat better than the original. I would give anything to taste a key lime kit kat but i can't taste or smell anything still so it would basically be just a kit kat data. How long been six months. Yeah so i've met with a bunch of doctors and they've all said that if you still have no taste and smell after twelve months to may be gone forever so it's been. I got covert on january twentieth. So we're coming on getting close to six months. But i've got time i do these exercises where i smell licorice or coffee or garlic or and in about ten days ago i had a little bit of garlic smell and that made me happy but i haven't been able to smell. Are you a picky eater. Well now i'm not. That was what i was going to ask. You could eat essentially anything now that you wouldn't have him before. The ad all tastes the same. So what they say is that your palate may actually change when you get if you get your taste and smell back so i a hate food. Which is olives is my absolute hate food. I will not if it touches anything. I can't eat it and i'm going to try to eat olives. I actually did. I had a piece of vegetarian pizza. Because i still love the texture of pizza and candy. Even though i can't taste it and there was an olive on the pizza. Because i had to get it at the airport the other day and i didn't taste it. What tasty you miss the most. I miss candy. I miss licorice kiss right. I'm assuming right no black. Oh really. I'm i'm an all black jelly. Bean good and plenty is favorite candy. All jesus so the back story of that is i. I used to be small. When i was young and so people in in grade school would take stuff from a because there is nothing i could do about it so what i always chose was to like things that no one would wanna take and no one likes black jelly beans or liquorice black licorice so it became my favorite. Because i would always get it. You're a monster. That's funny back story or not. It's a bit heartbreaking. Actually you've started off in a couple of heartbreaking fashion because what how worried are you that this seems like a dramatic lifestyle. Change to lose your taste and just these cents forever. A tiny monster. Yeah so there. There's a lot of people dealing with a lot worse things than i am. I am quite fortunate. So i don't look at it as anything other than it's just a change. It's changed how. I react to food and the interesting thing is i forget that i've lost it. I'm like Drew barrymore in fifty first dates. I wake up assuming. I've got my taste and smell and then i'll go to a meal and people would say wow this is so good and i'll say god i got a bad batch or the chef in make this disc right today because it doesn't taste good and then i have the epiphany. Oh my god. I can't taste it because what it means. Is everything the same and it just tastes like nothing so it's just plain. Do you like take advantage of this and eat. Extraordinarily healthy foods like away healthier diet than you used to now. I've always been pretty healthy. But i crave the texture. So i still crave the texture of candy and pizza and things like that and i'm training for a bunch marathon so i'm eating whatever i want whenever i want to but no i my brain is starting to remember what tastes are so i can taste like i had a hershey's kiss the other day and it. I thought it was stale. Not hard but just sort of tasteless but then something kicked in when i sucked on the hershey's kiss which is how i eat hershey's kisses. I don't bite them. I'll suck them down. And i think i had this sense of what chocolate is does anything that you eat actually satisfy you if you can't taste it so my stomach gets full. Obviously so in. In that regard i would say but in terms of oh god. That's so good. Or what a great restaurant. I shouldn't go to expensive restaurants because it's not worth it. But i still find myself doing it because the food is supposed to be good so therefore i think it's good so my mind i say oh god. This restaurant is just not good anymore. So i've stopped actually going to nice restaurants because that is just a waste of money. I can't imagine anything worse. yes you can. Don't say that this is bad. Just of like just inconvenient is obviously there are things worse than life. But just in terms of daily inconveniences. This seems terrible again. I have a outlook chris. I think that it is what it is. I'm lucky i my lungs were never compromised. I'm doing great. I'm healthy otherwise it's just it's it's annoying more than anything that makes it that you have to say all that stuff and you're right but it must just suck it totally sucks a put it on the poll at lebatardshow. Hershey's kiss bite it or let it melt down at lebatardshow. Wait oppress them. chris. I mean that was really. Did you got him to fold under the single swinging light bulb of interrogation. So what you must have a couple of horror stories though about like drinking expired. Milkers has is it caused something terrible so i love where your head's at because what's in. My mind constantly is minority report. When tom cruise got his is taken out and he went into the fridge where he had a recovery took that those mouldy sandwiches. I don't know if you guys have seen minority report. So i think about that all the time so i never used to look at anything. I would just smell it now. I find myself throwing away anything. That is a day past the expiration date. Where normally wouldn't have to do that. But i can't take the chance and milk. I actually stopped drinking all milk. I don't put it even french toast in my french. Toast mix anymore. I don't put it in cereal anymore. Even though i normally surreal dry. Because i'm just worried that even unexpired milk is going to be nasty and there'd be no add. No i wanted to talk to you. When i saw all of this happened in baseball. Because it seems fascinating to me. David that everyone's cheating and it's rampant in a way that is so ingrained into the fabric of what's happening now that i'm numb to it. It's one of these scandals that i'm like. I don't even understand how much of an advantage these guys have when they do this. So from your perspective. Give us what you find most interesting about what's happening right now in baseball with all this spider tax stuff. What's most interesting is that position. Players were okay with pitchers using foreign substances to get command. But they're not okay with pitchers using foreign substances to make them better. Do you know that now. Foreign substances have become performance enhancing substances their p. s.'s. It's the same thing is doing steroids for players pitchers. They're able to do things they weren't able to do before i've spoken to players. I once spoke to stay in about this when he saw a ball. Do something that it had never done before the way you hit in major league baseball is you only have a quarter of a second to know where to put the bat where the ball's gonna be and you learn where ball's gonna be. You see the spin if you can and you put your bat where the spin should be when the ball gets to wear into the hitting zone but when balls do something different than they've always done that's when these strikeouts happen and it's just difficult for hitters to hit which is why averages are down so position players finally said it's enough and they're calling out pitchers and that doesn't happen very often 'cause there's an understanding and baseball foreign substances were good with it. We're gonna use roz. We're gonna use sunscreen at marlins park. We had a vat of sunscreen and we play with a roof. It's not to stop cancer. The sunscreen is used by players to make a mixture to us when they're pitching. I always love when the sunscreen was out. I don't think you're understanding. How funny that is to have sunscreen in a place where there's no sun but when you start using other things and all of a sudden position players are thinking. They can't make as much money as they used to. Because their numbers so bad then something happens and baseball. Just fumbled it and it is such a nightmare right now. The memo they released is bad and the fact that they're making player stopped cold turkey and giving players now a platform to say. I can't do it. I'm going to get hurt. And then they get hurt and they get to blame the commissioner for it. It's just a nightmare. Is the reason that offense is the worst in that sport that has been more than half a century. The fact that pitchers can use these substances. It certainly is a contributing factor. Take a look at the way these bosmo. There's all of these things on twitter. These sites in these twitter people who have tons of followers showing ball movement. And everyone just says wow look at that ball move. That doesn't happen by accident. It's not natural. It's not normal. That's why pitchers are getting hurt. Because they're throwing ninety eight nine all the time. That's not normal. The movement of the ball is not normal. Matt scott to be done with something and now we know what it is. Of course we always knew though. What do you make of tyler glass. Now saying the reason i got hurt is because they took away these substances from. I think that that is the union getting ready for a collective bargaining negotiation. That's why scott boras made the statement he made. That's why zach gallon. Who's a scott. Pours klein made the statement he made about. Michael that's why garrett one is dead statement. Can you just tell people so that the people who do not know because michael hill is a friend of yours what happened there. Michael hill used to be the president of baseball operations for the marlins and was let go by jeeter at the end of last season. He is now in charge of on operations. It major league baseball zach gallon is a pitcher who was traded to the marlins by the cardinals for marcello zona and then traded by the marlins to the Diamondbacks for gestures on zach. Gallon been hurt. He's now not heard and he decided to go public yesterday. Saying in my last organization we were told to use these foreign substances. Scott boris his agent made a statement saying mike hill is a part of an organization like all organizations who tell their players to use foreign substances and i know mike hill and i was in an organization. We don't say to a pitcher you steroids or a position player. We don't say you spider attack but we're okay when you do it until it goes too far. It's the same way. I was with steroids. I knew the players were using steroids. And listen i wanna win as many games as possible. We're going to educate you that it's not good for your body and that it's illegal that you're gonna get hurt and it could impact your career could impact your sex life but if you want to do it and hit home runs. I'm all in when it comes to foreign substances. It's not illegal. It doesn't hurt physically and it makes us a better team because you get to pitch better. I'm all in to call out. Michael hill specifically the way that's been done is just inappropriate. And it's done. Not because of my kill. It's done because of the collective bargaining agreement that is up on december first. And there's gonna be a fight like you can't believe there's going to be a work stoppage in it's going to be totally super depressing for the fans all because of the ego of certain agents and the ego of certain owners. You are positive there is going to be a work stoppage that before the end of the year there's going to be a work stoppage. It's not like the sunrise dan. I what mean positive no. I'm not positive having heard this senate flatly. You said it absolutely. And i have not heard that a work stoppages coming nearly for sure that i know. The collective bargaining agreement is a problem. I'm guessing that the reason the penalties aren't stiff for this is solely because of the collective bargaining agreement correct. Baseball can't actually come down on these guys. Yeah there's going to be part of the new. Collective bargaining agreement will actually be a rule about what substances can be used. And they're gonna teach the umpires. I think the empire end up checking the players before the game to say yep that substances good yup. that's substances. Good nope get that out of your glove. And i think that is truly going to happen. And i do think there's going to be work. Stoppage because the rancor that exists between players and management right now and i've seen bad over eighteen years. I mean distrust and anger and vile bile. But it's worse now than ever. So i do believe there will be some sort of work stoppage but i don't believe that will miss any games in two thousand twenty two. I think that they will the off. Season will be screwed up but the season will be okay. The reason i asked that question that way. I know when you get it wrong. People come after you like. With the major league baseball all star game being moved to denver. You didn't think logistically that could happen but generally speaking when you say something's going to happen around here like for example theo epstein trying to create a path to get to commissioner a baseball. That stuff happens so you are saying that. There is a great likelihood that we'll get this season. It's not going to happen before this season. But when they go into the offseason. We're going to not start baseball on time and it's going to be a messy one. That's going to be a long time. Where work stoppages in play. Because of you've been at this for a long time david for for you to say it's worse than it's ever been. When you've you've lived through work stoppages. So i actually have not lived through the last one was in nineteen ninety four and i got into the game at in nineteen ninety nine. And that's something that bud. Selig was super proud of as well as the union. Back in the day of gene and don fear they. It was trouble and combative but they always found a way to get an agreement. Done the biggest problem that happened in baseball is when tony clark took over the union and tony clark is a former player and tony clark wanted all these things that were player comfort things in the last in the last collective bargain agreement. They wanted chefs. He wanted better planes. He wanted better food. he wanted better off days. You want a different start times. All of it was crap when we were voting for the we were so happy that the players were focused on such meaningless stuff that they forgot about all the economic stuff. And that's all we cared about and now what it'll be interesting. Is they brought in an absolute killer into the union including boris and the all the executive councillor boris clients and now they realized they don't wanna get taken advantage of but the owners don't wanna give in. They love what's been happening and they lost a ton of money and co vid. They're not gonna give up any economic advantages and that's why there's going to be a work stoppage and you foresee what happening the end result of this scandal and what will happen next year when it comes to what gets negotiated. What do you think is going to happen here. It will not be a blanket no substances except rosin which is what is now what they're doing the cold turkey that everyone's talking about they're going to have to allow some sort of gripping agent to be used other than rosin by players and they're just gonna make it a different rule so it's not a violation of the raw. What the players did wrong here. Is they went too far. They're like children where you gave them an inch. They took a foot. It was okay to use sunscreen and the rosin the pine tar but then technology got better then. They realized they could use more stuff. That would make their pitches even nastier and they weren quiet about it but then their performance got so good. The offense got so bad that the parents meaning. Mlb and the commissioner in the honors said you know what enough and that's what happened with substances. But i think there'll be a rule that more in the middle of cold turkey versus spider. It's going to be back in the middle stugotz here for our friends over at draftkings. I love draftkings. I spent all my time there seriously. I have my mail fair. I do people say hey. What's your address. Draftkings dot com draftkings. Sportsbook is not only my favorite sports book. But also america's top rated sportsbook. I love using draftking sportsbook. It is easy to navigate has plenty of instructions for new batteries and nearly limitless ways to get in on all the action. My friends and family have been loving draftkings sportsbook and i know you will to listen to this. Great offer draftkings. 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I wanted to ask you further about the zach gallon comments and scott. Boris having a go at michael hill How much of that is kind of a personal vendetta with michael hill or was immoral signal towards the fact that he works for major league. Baseball on there is potential work stoppage coming. I think it's thirty seventy he. He does not. He's not a big fan of mike. Kelly's not a big fan of me because we would get in the way of dealing with jeffrey and scott. Boris will only deal with owners. He doesn't like it when presidents or gm's get involved because owners. He can tap their emotion. He can say to mike illitch. Hey you wanna get a championship before he died. Don't ya. you can say jeffrey loria. You wanna get a second championship don't you. Here's how to do it. He can say to ted lerner. You wanna get one right while. Sign my guys but presidents and gm's don't fall for that motion we don't care so boris doesn't wanna talk to us. Does anything. does any of this ever stick to manfred. Is he just protected by the owners. They're all the manfred cares about just so you guys are very clear because there's a great misunderstanding. What the role of the commissioner is in all sports rob manfred cares about twenty-three owners so you say twenty-three because specifically the majority you're just saying or the things to get votes ratified because you only need twenty three twenty three owners to give you an extension on your contract. You need twenty-three honors to get a new collective bargain agreement. You need twenty three owners to get things done. And that's what he's focused on. So when rob manfred does something. He's not flying by the seat of his pants. That's not what he's like. He's extremely calculating. He's extremely machiavelli ian. He understands what his role is and he understands. Self interest self-preservation. It's not a matter of loving the game or not loving the game. People say he's not a fan who cares. Don't hire a commissioner to be. The fan will hire marlins man if we want to. Fan the commissioner. We want someone who's going to represent the interests of the owners and grow the game with money. That's what the commissioners jobless. David i would so fall for scott boras coming to me and saying. Hey cy guy you want to win a world championship before you die. Signed my guy. I would sign every guy crazy. Well do you write the checks. He's great at writing other people's authorship checks yes it's it's not one damn will side. It's not winning his money. Do you know how quickly you blow through fifty million. If you were in charge to do you have any idea i do. Actually very good has manfred been good. He's got a rough deal right. I mean you can't be good during covert there's no win situation trying to deal with covert. You could argue that silver. Did it better. Although i'm not sure did you could argue. Goodell is better. But i'm not sure he is manfred is he's a businessman. He's a labor attorney. He is who is extremely smart and doesn't fall for things that other people may fall for and that's frustrating to the union. It's frustrating to scott boras for sure but manfred doesn't care about any of that so what's interesting. Is that mike kill released a statement which was written by the pr people for major league baseball of course not by mike because that's how it works in baseball and he responded to zach gallon statements. And that's interesting. I talked about it on. Today's nothing personal because that does not happen often. Because what we're taught in baseball is you nor boris. Don't mention his name. Don't talk about anything he's talking about. Don't give him the platform or the power but mlb had to respond to what bora said. Why because they're losing the pr battle right now and losing badly and that is something they don't want they still believe going into collective bargaining that having the people's side and having them that having fans beyond owners side matters. I always spoke to the commissioner and to all the executives saying who cares what the fans think. Our job is to get the best deal we can. We don't need the pr we don't need to attract the attention of anybody with what we're doing just negotiate the best deal we can for ourselves and then people forget about it because then you're playing games. Do you think. Michael hill responded to kind of save the look of mlb or to save himself because last night when that stuff was coming out i felt like my goal is going to be the fall guy for this because the way the astros thing played out they looked for fall. I it wasn't going to be the players so they punished management so felt like. That's kind of where this was going until he respond publicly. Might kill is paid by rob manfred and raisman for knows very well might kill had nothing to do with. Mike is just the name on the memo. Might kill is the one who speaks to the umpires and speaks to the managers and speaks to the players about stuff. That's going on on field. It's not that might be that kind of fall guy. And frankly feel is the one who brought in to do all these things have baseball and changed the game and make the basis bigger and all the pitch clock and all the stuff that goes trying to do so. I was surprised that theo did not speak up it. All and the mlb did not have speak up at their protecting him. For whatever reason david price you say that you're you're feeling was that the pr doesn't matter. Do you not think that the overall decline in interest in baseball can be associated at least in part to decisions like these or public like these where the becomes less of an attachment to the institution of baseball however nebulous. That might be. Yeah i was actually talking about the pr. Surrounding collective bargaining. Remember during covid when there was the fighting going on between the commissioner and all of the players in the commissioner said we may have to cancel the season. He got absolutely torched including on this show. He was trying to get people on his side. And that was the mistake. When i say that baseball doesn't care about pr. It's in terms of an agreement in terms of getting the provision. They want they care. Wait too much about pr. Because they're jealous of the other leagues who get better pr. And so sometimes they do things solely for pr. And when you do that. That doesn't work either. It has to be organic one of the things happening in the ncaa guy saw this but arizona state now herm edwards being investigated for doing all sorts of things in recruiting and co vid illegal. Things and i just feel like there's a general numbness where we assume everyone's cheating in empirical terms david outside of the game getting slower. Which i think is what hurts baseball. The most in a fractured attention span changed society. I don't think there's any actual damage to this. I think the integrity of the sport has been so befouled and the numbers have been so distorted and the way it's played has changed so much that i actually don't think there's any real consequences to the cheating other than nobody hits baseball for three innings. And you're going to a park to watch three innings or strikeout. Were there consequences to the steroid era. I'm was great for baseball. The steroid era was great. It was medicine for baseball. Brought them back after a work work. Stoppage this i think is a net. Nothing i think it's a net. Nothing you don't lose fan because pitchers are cheating. Steroids brought fans out to the ballpark said that you have to put that in perspective so from baseball standpoint if steroids worked what about steroids worked balls. Were going into mccovey cove. Ripe makoko mccovey cove say that five times quicks. Thanks so that is what happens with stories. That's why it was so good. It's funny there. Was that whole to remember. It's not even good to say. I don't even know if we can stay alive. Chicks dig the long ball member that whole commercial that that was a thing back then and i'm sorry if that's offensive but that was back then. I don't think they would use that now. Nobody says hey chicks dig the no hitter. Right strikeouts out. They love the walks. Who give me more walks so base was trying to say. Hey we've gone too far the other way and so now they're trying to bring it back. It would be funny to me. If part of the collective bargain agreement allowed for players to get back on performance enhancing drugs. Who are the hitters. That'd be one way to combat this. Here's a funny question. David if somehow the use of substances increased offense in that sport would anybody in charge. Have a problem with it. Nope i love it. These substances decreased offense because only the pitchers were using it in the balls. Were moving in ways that the hitters grenade steroids pitchers and hitters were using steroids so while it was sheeting it was more of an even playing field. No actually pitchers were using steroids. Trying to keep up like roger. let's say but at the end of the day. Steroids are much better for hitters. Steroids by pitchers were really use. Like what andy pettitte said used to try to recover from injury faster to get back on the field because that's one of the things that certain steroids can do but the majority of the people using them were the offensive players. Were hitters in. That wasn't used for to cover injury or to replace greenies. It was used to actually give you the ability to do better than you could do. Otherwise ryan spader. A baseball analyst wrote on twitter. The other day. I've had enough. I think i'm coming out with everything tomorrow. Going to sleep on it and then he came out with everything that he had. Everything i'm about to say was verified by more than one player. I do not mean to burn anyone. I love baseball. I've just had enough of this bullshit. The royals were the first team with a full analytics video department close to their dugout doing so in two thousand fifteen their world series championship year. How they used it. I do not know the yankees had cameras in left center and right all pointing at the pitcher's glove rather than the catcher to pick up his grip. And then you see that. Aaron judge is home and road splits a ridiculous in terms of when he was at home. Mashed the ball with help and when he wasn't he didn't. The dodgers had an employee who was caught setting up cameras at minute maid park wearing an mlb polo shirt when he should have been wearing a dodgers polo during the two thousand. Seventeen world series. This one hurts to say my favorite player ever chase. Utley was the biggest cheater of all time as insane as it sounds. I've heard this from multiple players. Adrian belt trae had a buddy with binoculars and dead center. Who would wave a undershirt. If he was getting something off speed in two thousand and seventeen and again his home road splits are ridiculous as well. How much is real here. David west realized you just said undershirt. And that's not what the quote was that made me smile. And it's absolutely guaranteed that this is going on with players in with teams. I was a part of it. We're looking for every. And i said this on the show during covid when it was just me and mikey i said hey. We of course were tried to steal signs at all times. There were people who were assigned to do nothing. But steve asides and figure out the signs both from the catcher and even from the third base coach of the other team. That was their job. Because we weren't playing the bench. Anyway and we had cameras. We had executives. Everyone knew the gm the manager. Everyone i don't know that. I even discussed it with jeffrey. Because why would i bother. So some owners could claim they don't know but does and to say the chase utley. I just don't like platitudes like that. Like something so binary. He's the greatest. The biggest cheater of all time may be only in the specter of cheaters. You spoke to her. Who you know. But i don't want to put that on chase. Subtly because you'd better come out with something better than jason lee. the biggest cheater of all time. You better have proof that he did something above and beyond what everybody else was doing. And i'm not sure he has that or he would have come out with it whereas the david just appears to me and correct me. If i'm wrong the astros were just better at this than everyone else. That's not appear we've talked about that. You're one hundred percent right. They were simply better at it and we were jealous of them. I remember so well talking about the fact that we were not able to do. What other teams were doing not just by developing players and drafting players and we got caught with bad signings and bad trades. We couldn't cheat as well as the other teams and i would sit with the other executives and say. What's wrong with us. Even if we can't figure out how to develop good player scout a good player. Can't we at least sheet as well as the other teams. So you so now like in the role of pundit do you like castigate teams enter cheating. And why did you not feel when you were in baseball. That there is some purity to it and that you didn't want to cheat like why. Why did you feel that. It was okay to cheat when you're in it. What are we in a what. What are you talking about way. You think i had like a moral dilemma in my brain. Oh my god. I can't do that. That would be terrible to try to steal someone signs. I'm not exactly stealing their pension literally. Don't even understand what you're talking about. Okay but david question is tell me about was your morality. And he's like morale trying to win. I'm not trying to help people in a nursing home but the only reason this is a new story is because people are presumably bent out of shape over the notion of cheating. But he's a scoundrel everybody's telling you because it's nothing personal this ain't a dot org like everybody is trying to beat everybody for money and that's business and sports is business and just because fans wanna be pollyanna about it. He's in the middle of it and he's telling you don't be silly. We were all trying to cheat the next guy if we could get away with it. I couldn't possibly add anything to that. So so then. I guess the question is like what what's to stop you from break like. Did you attempt to break every rule in the rulebook. Essentially the rule book is this thick. What are you know. not by rule and have committees. Same how can we break rule. Seven hundred and forty nine part four sentenced. Gee i said is what rules. Can we break. That can help us win. More games because everyone else is doing it. We might as well try to do it to the important ones chris. What he's saying rats with you by the way wittingham. But he's just cutting through it coldly in yelling you that executives aren't doing that you either. Try and find winning in the margins however it is you can or you will lose to the people who find it like it's not like i was viewed as a moral sort of executive who would never dabble in this sort of stuff was there was dombrowski was dombrowski. Definitely he would not do anything. No take the high road every time. Hold on let me let me look. Through the encyclopedia britannica former executives. Lousy definitely did yeah. He did too. Yeah yeah no no. None of zero is the problem though that fans care about cheating but only when the other teams are cheating and no one really cares when their own team is cheating as long as you win. A world series right. Those astro fans responded aren't they. They're just they're crushed. They've played if you told me the cubs cheated in two thousand sixteen. It's not gonna make me like be sad. That i celebrated them winning the world series for the last five years. Can we just worksheet. Bothers me a little bit so when you do something that you know is against the rules but you also know that while it may be giving you an advantage. You still need to perform right. So that's like when when i do something. Is it cheating when i put lifts in my shoes. Good point yes do you. Why tell me the impact honest. You're being dishonest about what your height actually is actually don't wear lifts because they're too uncomfortable for me but believe me. I've thought about it. I used to love dressing up and going to costume parties. And i would always dress up like as madonna or something and i would wear heels because i love the concept of actually being able to dance with the girl in middle school or high school where i could put my hands on the over the waste of the girl instead of on top because they were all so much taller than i so it is something but that's sort of cheating right. You're doing it in a way to try to be better and the concept. Have you ever heard this cheat to compete. We're not doing anything. That is hurting people to the point where we are risking their lives. This is sports. This is competition on the field. I think people just need to take a bit of a breath here. I don't want to be a broken record but this is all good for baseball like we're we spent the last hour talk david. Is this bad that the baseball's in the news like nobody is. Who's really not watching baseball if you were watching baseball. You're still watching baseball. There's not been one fan. Who went away because of the sign stealing because they're steroids because of foreign substances. And the fact. I'd rather you know talking about you. Could talk about shohei otani and you could talk about the san francisco giants in the white sox but guess what boring totally boring. You wouldn't spend five seconds so go giants on this show. Would you what we did the other day. Just talking about brandon belt still playing first base me crazy support for this. Podcast comes from invent together according to studies less than thirteen percent of all inventors who hold it. Us patent are women. Black and hispanic college graduates patent at half the rate of their white counterparts. But we can fix that by increasing participation in innovation and patenting underrepresented groups. It would quadruple. The number of american inventors and increase annual gdp by almost one trillion dollars. Invent together is a coalition of organizations companies. Universities and concerned citizens committed to ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to invent and patent because the more diverse. The american patent system gets the stronger and more successful. our nation will become. What can you do to help. Divers inventors patent an unleash economic opportunity. Find out at infant together dot org learn more and take action today when players like mike. Fires say that they feel guilt about the cheating because they cost other players their livelihood getting sent down. You just think that that's naive. Whatever mike fires right. i'm not. Don't get me started on him please. I mean it's violated several rules. You don't snitch. Ever right break off the only rule that we adhere to is the snitch rule everywhere else laid bare that everyone in baseball is trying to cheat. But don't you dare stitch immoral shit. That's that's the line. I will do anything. I have to do but i will never tell on someone else now. It doesn't mean that. I will not draw the attention of umpires during a game when i think the frank robinson or the expos or another team is doing something to violate the rules. Or when i see another player being so obvious. Strimmer when michael pineda had the The foreign substance that was on his neck. I don't know if you guys remember this. I don't remember what year was it. Certainly a different tone. It was totally insane. When we see that we're gonna say something and we're doing that because we want teams to try harder when they're cheating and not the obvious. Good so andy. Pettitte during a world series game was tipping his pitches he got bombed and the yankees lost. What is the greatest example you have in your marlins history of cheating successfully of when you guys did something and it's memorable to you because you were able and catching a pitcher tipping pitches is an actually cheating. But what's an example of a successful cheat by the marlins while you're there. Yes so when you say. Kay pitch tipping pitches. That's something you also look for and that is again. There's no rule about any of that. That is something you do. Want to do. And jose fernandez tip pitches sometimes and we would talk about it because it's like tell and poker. You don't know you're doing it. That's what the definition of tell is and when you discover the tell you don't say anything but in baseball it doesn't work that way because when a good pitcher gets rocked you have to say either one. You're hurt or to your tipping pitches because pitchers who get swings and misses when they're not getting swings and misses that means hitters. Know what's coming so that was the first thing the second thing is we would. We would screw around with the roof and we would screw around with the grass and weed. Screw around the sprinklers of pro player. And what we did is that we would want to take the other visiting team out of its rhythm. Baseball's a very rhythmic sport. Bp's at a certain time. The anthems at a certain time pitchers warm up at a certain time and we would do things that would interrupt the rhythm of visiting teams as much as we could like. What would you be doing with the sprinklers in the grass so we would cut the grass in a certain way depending on what the opponent was if it's an opponent with speed With speed at the top of their lineup we would cut the grass in a way that would make the grass longer said a ball Would would shorter so the ball would get to the the field faster. We would do something in the outfield. Each row had specific ways that he liked the grass cut in the outfield. And we would cut it that way for him but when we knew that we were playing against other teams and we'd be told that those players liked the outfield a certain way we cut the grass differently for them. When we knew the weather was gonna be bad. Sometimes we keep the roof open and make it really hot in the ballpark for visiting. Bp sometimes pro player we would make sure that the tarp was not on improper time so ep would get canceled more than it should have so we would try again anything to disrupt rhythm one at work. Would you guys celebrate. How would you celebrate with their high five you in the grounds crew. How how does this work. No not at all as a matter of fact we wouldn't involve the ground screeches. Tell them what to do. We're not saying we're not implicating the grounds crew by saying. Hey we've got this team coming in so do this. We just say here's what we want we want and they don't ask questions and that's their job not test questions. They just do what we want. But no don't celebrate that because by the way when we're on the road teams are doing that to us. So it's totally normal gear. Put it on. The poll is the grounds crews job. Not to ask questions. I was affected by september though well back at pro player. We used to love that when we had the when we had the dirt and we had the chalk lines. Sometimes we'd keep the chalk lines actually stronger than other times because it can be distracting to fielders. If you remember how dolphin stadium when baseball be playing. There'd be chalk lines as to love watching. The dolphins play on dirt between first and second base was part of the field. That used to make me laugh but Listen the bottom line of this show is what people don't understand. Is that what you call cheating. We're calling trying to gain every possible advantage to do the job that were paid to do. It's that simple. David samson makes a rogue and renegade appearance. Today on the second edition of sinophile. What do you have for us on that. Front chris cody. I just wanna tease the episode. With a two and a half second clip. Everyone thinks adnan virk nicest man in the world. While unleashed david samson on him and it makes adnan. Virk say this fall. They've dick about it. Oh my god what's oh my god. Holy sh- what is that then vertu. That's what happened so first of all check about it. I got this information and it was zoom room that i use to do the appearances here on the local hour. I didn't know that. I thought we were doing a taping of the local hour. That was the presentation. And then i get in the room and adnan's there and finding everything but he thinks he knows about movies. He's just got cocky. Such shift thinks he's this amazing guy and his basically. He doesn't know any more about movies than i do. Knows way less. He just likes to quote them because he does research. And i'm doing everything off the top of my head. I could do an entire show with. Imdb tab open impress you with my trivial knowledge of crap. But i don't do it that way. So there's adnan so. I just decided to join the show. Because he was talking about movies. Of course that i had seen but i found it to be less than interesting especially when he called me a dick and my name's not even and he doesn't know me to call me that he doesn't deserve cable. The call me you gotta meet me first and then call me that. A shocking sinophile rate subscribe and review. we'll get to david samson's movies in a second. Why are you shaking your head. No billy just how generally lazy shot says. yeah. I appreciate the audience. The audience Suggested to me. I had not seen this a netflix comedy. Special bo burnham did was extraordinary during the pandemic. it's about mental illness. it's art. It's funny i. I haven't seen anything like it before. So thank you to the audience members who recommended the bo burnham comedy special because it is comedy for our times in the last year and david. What are you reviewing this week. Well can we talk about the boat burnham or did you talk about it more no. I haven't talked about it. But i just thought it was a work of art because he took us in the pandemic into a closed base where he was wrestling with his mental illness. He used to have panic attacks when he'd get up on stage. He's one of the most famous youtubers that there have been. He's a brilliant comedian and musician and what he put together is a work of art but it also seemed lonely and painful and depressing and hard. So i had never heard of him because i am old and white and it turns out to me when i was told by someone from nothing personally. Movie suggestions all times by listeners who rate review and subscribes. Nothing personal when you ask them to that. I thought he was the guy from promising young woman. That's where i recognize them from. That's it but i was told to watch this. So i did and i didn't move the entire time. I was devastated watching it. Because he wasn't acting. And i didn't realize how brilliant he was and the movie about. Instagram is one of the the song about white women in their instagram. Was one of the funniest songs i've ever heard the pain and when he talked about suicide when he talked about the dark loneliness the depression and he was the editor. The cameraman the writer the producer the director and the one man show. He did everything because he was alone. During the pandemic and you could see the process unfolding if you haven't seen it. I strongly suggested it's the second best. Derek doug audio is the best thing i've seen sort of the one man show type of thing Since the pandemic started one is a must see. And it's not an easy watch but you will laugh but you'll also cry and that makes it pretty compelling while you'll also be amazed by the range of talent and brilliant because the song you mentioned i didn't even think was the best one the welcome to the internet song that he did Where it's five minutes of just straight brilliance. That i know. I can't believe that that guy how long that had to take to make just those five minutes just smart writing great great performance and funny camera work. I can't. I can't suggest it strongly enough and at the end he actually show you if you stay to the end of the credits. There's a payoff. He shows you a little bit about how he films some of the things and you realize to get a shot that last one second in a montage what he had to do to prepare that being solo and be being alone in this dark room this white it felt like a padded cell to me and i i assume that's what he was going for. There's no art on the wall but it's a very artful presentation using computers and what they can do this type of show opened before computers and the internet and all of the things that are now that we're able to do but i i it. It took something to make that show. That i can't even. He never told us how long he took to film it. Though the full weight going back for a second. What's wrong with having tiny pumpkins on my instagram feed. I love tiny pumpkins david. Why why is that funny of a pumpkin. It's just a cute little pumpkin. Put a little crown on my dog flower crown with wrong with that. Do you actually think. I'm gonna take your bait like do you actually think there is a chance that i'm going to engage the movie that you are reviewing this week. David samson viewing jessica. Okay i wanna get serious and talk about a documentary. I watched called role with me since. We're talking about serious things wrong with me. Documentary from two thousand seventeen about a man in a wheelchair who is a drug addict and he decided he was about to die and instead of dying of a drug overdose he decided to wheel across the country in a regular wheelchair not a motorized wheelchair. Not one of these built up. You know oscar pistorius blade leg blade runner wheelchairs. I'm talking just a regular wheelchair. Where you have to use your gloves. And they documented it and it's the story of the seven people plus him who went across country and he went from california to his home in on long island. It is incredibly emotional and what it shows is that the human spirit is something that has no end. If you put your mind to something you can do it. And he saved his life. He saved other people's lives if you are addicted to drugs or pills or heroin. There is a way out just like if you're having suicidal thoughts there's a way out. There's numbers to call. If you see row with me you'll be inspired and realize that you are so lazy right in your life. And i try to run. I ready ran my my workout this morning but i felt so lazy watching role with me watching what he did. It's a great documentary. it's on netflix. It's called role with me gear mo. Put it on the poll please. Should oscar pistorius his name. Nickname have been blade leg at lebatardshow. Nothing personal is the podcast if you want sort of an undistinguished a pure cut of how the business of sports works nothing personal. You should go check it out because you don't hear what you just heard there. Which is a former major league executive. Just telling you we were all trying to cheat you. Never your rally be damned david. Thank you for being on with us. We appreciate it sir. Stugatz too but that's it. He just did some good things to practice this morning. Threw five interceptions on. He's gotten better say it's worth a lot of interceptions. Listening to tuesday's pod as to a threw five interceptions in a practice. And i was like. This isn't go well but i mean like i said i was just trying to be aggressive and i kept on throwing them buddy just through a couple of td to the end goal darts here. The corners living good dolphins training can zero sum game. We're shits happening man dollars out of wimbledon lympics as fallen apart yeah.

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Insurance Industry Doesnt Waste A Good Crisis

Consumer Watchdog Podcast

13:50 min | 1 year ago

Insurance Industry Doesnt Waste A Good Crisis

"Hello everyone and welcome to consumer watchdog's rage for Justice report our weekly conversation about the current issues. We are exposing confronting and changing I'm your host Carmen Balbir? Director of consumer watchdog and we're in luck this week. My guest today is Pulitzer Prize winning journalist at the Los Angeles Times. Michael Hill Sick welcome Mike. Thanks, thanks for having me on. Appreciate you joining us. So I called this week to see if you will join us because you've been covering insurance issues in California A to be honest, probably longer than I've been at consumer, watchdog and you Roy recent column on Homeowner's insurance and wildfires that is a really pertinent is bubbling in the legislature right now. It's a flight that's got. All the consumer groups in the State and the Insurance Commissioner lined up on one side and insurance companies on the other severity. You can just a about a what insurance companies are trying to pull over on Californians while we're all focused on. The police, brutality and racism, crisis and the pandemic. Sure so. So the column was about. Does bill that the simply? In Sacramento, has already passed and sent a to the Senate as a B twenty, one sixty seven. And A as I, wrote, it would strip. The elected insurance. Commissioner that is Ricardo Lara now of many important powers over a fire insurance. Really I think over many more lines. At undermine proposition one of three, which has an consumer watchdog. Is. Considered very important since. says you're founder was the drafter of it? An has a shepherded through shepherded through many trials and tribulations ever since grants. When and what we're seeing here is that the the insurance industry is following the old dictum that you never wanNA. Let a crisis go to waste. What they're doing, is they've they've hauled out the the wildfire crisis? and. Crisis in availability of fire insurance that they've created. To argue that. That prop one of three and various other state laws governing. Insurance no longer adequate because it's an extraordinary situation, so they want. To remove things like price controls and the firing kept him starting the Insurance Commissioners. Authority to to examine. Rate. Filings before they're put into place. They want to really restrict those seriously end result. I think clearly would be a much higher. Homeowner and renter insurance rates probably across the state, not merely in the wildfire zones. And one of the things that I thought was telling, but it's also kind of offensive about the whole thing is that ensures main complaint about the homeowners market and California seems to be that. Premiums are significantly lower for homeowners here than the national average. Yes, you're sort of a bizarre exchange, the assembly insurance. Committee where the one of the lobbyists for the the insurance industry came up. and He. He. He complained that that homeowner rates in California, the rate of increase in homeowner rates in California was was. Much smaller than you see in other states, and of course anybody looking at van argument objectively would would say well. So proposition one of three has done its job. It's kept the insurance industry from profiteering. It's kept. Premiums and premium increases moderated. There's no argument that's been made that. It's put any assurance and of business. This is still. For, the most part, a pretty vigorous competitive. Insurance Market for for homeowners so. So Yeah the the argument is well. Gee, this breath position. One of the three is so bad that it's kept rates. Low? And then some consumers might hear might read that it's affordable. Will any consumer would read that as as more affordable than another states right and it had to the insurance industry this demerits, but to consumers. This is a a boon. Well, so what are the author of the bill? Say I know that We did some research and the author of the Bill Tom Daily from Anaheim. Has Taken on one of the largest amounts of money from the insurance industry than anyone in the legislature or two hundred thousand dollars in the last couple election cycles the author office have to say about this, they did they talk to you about the bill will be. The Authors Office said that the author was unavailable. there I I did get some commentary. From. Basically for. For spokesperson for the industry, who said L. E. You know? All we're trying to do is Tricia they deny. That that this bill would strip the commissioner of powers. They say we're just offering. Commissioner and option to For ways to get more availability for insurance in the fire zone when I said well, he's already got the all the authority that he really needs. He can. Approve or reject rate increase requests. He can mandate certain types of. Coverage Patterns A Can't order insurer to cover any particular property of course, but he does have the power to. Ensure that that insurers are for dealing with. Applicants fairly So, what do you really need this four and then? I'm really have a good answer for that. The answer is. Really a implicitly that there are certain things the insurance industry has has tried to get since nineteen eighty eight when voters passed prep, one zero three. One is they want to undermine proposition one of three by reducing the authority of the insurance. Commissioner and they also want more latitude to pump their costs for reinsurance, and that, of course, a sort of. Reassurance away that insurance companies hedge their risk by weighing it off on. on other insurers for a price. They want to be able to charge homeowners for that prize That's always I. think really since prep one three to. Action that that's not been allowed by by any insurance commissioner. They want to take away the Insurance Commissioners Authority or undermine it. to to keep reinsurance rates which are not regulated to keep them out of. The race that homeowners pay and and I think as. insurance consumer advocates. No, this is this. Basically would just be a way to drive. Prices up for homeowners and something that the insurance industry has wanted to do its part of their wishlist. M. A day inserted it quite sneakily into this bill. Set while I haven't gotten important point that this is. A fight that the insurance industry has been waging out for more than thirty years now since this law passed. To deregulator or reduce the ability of of the Insurance Commissioner to make them justify what they charge. There is one you know. There is one aspect of of of this that. Kind of rings a reasonable argument. If. You just look at surface. Which is this this point that. In California, we have essentially built to out into the Wilderness and so people have homes and are ensuring homes in places that are perhaps too prone to fire to let them really live there and the insurance companies are saying we just WANNA. Just WanNa correct this, so we can charge the right price. And prevent people from a provide the market incentives not to build in those areas. What what do you think of a giving the insurance companies job? Well first of all I think it's true that We and that is you know more often than not local jurisdictions Who are particularly beholden to? We'll say developers have allowed too much building too deep into the. The wildfire zone basically the wildland urban interface, as it's known technically and has done so without mandating enough. Protection in terms of hardening the properties, making sure that vegetation isn't closed two inhabited. Buildings so yeah. I think that's an. That's an issue. and That's one reason that we have. A SORT OF AN ASSIGNED RISK POOL to to make sure that the riskiest properties can get. Coverage and That's the fair plan. ADDS expensive coverage includes generally limited coverage. But I think anyone who builds into the fire area. Just as people. Into Flood Into Flood Plains and flood zones and coastal areas that are going to that are increasingly vulnerable. To Sea level. Rises really you know. The question is who pays for that, and I think it's clear that. The property owners should should shoulder more of that burden. But that's not an argument for. for undermining crop position one of three or taking powers away from the Insurance, commissioner, it's an argument for a a a wiser approach to construction in high risk areas, and at yeah I think probably a fire rates should be higher. Or underage should be higher in some of these areas than they've been. and. That's happening, but but as we know, the the current insurance commissioner hat has accepted bad. Denied. Very many if any. Filings for higher rates from insurance companies for fire coverage. The Commissioner's Office itself says we've approved ninety six percent of the requests. So. What's the complaint really. Right. And I and I would argue that it is the job of local and state. Governments to make zoning decisions, not the insurance industry's. Well Hey, Mike that that is largely the time we have today I. do want to just pull. From your article a quote that I think sums up the situation. You said that he really ensures are just doing what they what comes naturally to that. And you know you can't blame them for trying to protect their profits. Any more than one can blame a dog for drinking out of the toilet and I think that's completely up because this is what the insurance industry does, it's what they always do. They want to increase their profits. We shouldn't be surprised by it. But it's the legislatures job to do the right thing for consumers, not the insurance industry. So Mike. Thanks so much for joining us on the show illuminating this issue for us. Ok Well. Thanks Carmen for writing. Appreciate you appreciate you being here? Thanks everyone for listening to the range for justice report if you WANNA, take action, and we'll makers to stand up for Californians. 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The Hero Prepares

The Secret Adventures of Black People

10:14 min | 1 year ago

The Hero Prepares

"Hello and welcome to the secret. Adventures. Of Black, people. I'm your host Nicole, Hill that's weird. Okay I won't look at you then. Hello welcome to the secret adventures of black people. I'm your host Nicole Hill. Host okay. I'm in a hospital room in the pre pandemic past. I'm looking at my perfectly healthy fifty something year old mom who suddenly been diagnosed with a rare disease and can't walk. Where we just hiking a month ago. That is. Not. Ice Rocks. throwing. Going directly into those. Beautiful. The doctor seemed to not know more than they know and like. My mom can't. Walk. I'm smiling but I just keep thinking that my mom can't walk. And I'm afraid. But my mom. She's like the quiet warrior and movies the one that's the leash showy but always the most basic that's her she's like Oh thank you so much Dr I'll be walking in students so I wouldn't worry about that. Have you been my daughter? The quiet warriors always my favorite. I know it's like Korean plot device but I love how they always seemed to be preparing for battle by doing these really mundane kind of random things like And the whole wax on wax off thing. I feel like that's more true life. My mom and I are just hanging out in her hospital room and talking about everything and nothing and in my imagination. As just see her as this like silent warrior queen preparing her mind and body for the battle ahead. Is I'm going to tell you this story the way I see it in my mind. and. It's a little the ethical. My Mother's quest is one to learn to walk again. Her battle with a curse that attacks from within The curse, the sees the body into believing the enemy is itself. But the damage is not permanent. So, begins our hero's journey to reclaim her health. She takes the looks for strength, navigate the treacherous road ahead and begins gathering weapons from her hospital bed. Her traveling barred that's me is by her side day and night. Preparing a detailed record of our heroes valiant fight. She chooses four weapons that she'll carry with pride. I know she can beat this. said the Barda she cried. Weapon, one is an oddity. It's fond memories slightly darkened by the shadow of regret. Very very much. Hands were very important. They would. So. When I get my nails done and things like that. I think to my hands quite Nancy's important. Dance. Father's hands to. He would sit table. Doesn't think of him like that thing. I do that. But I I know I was a move from somebody else in and. How? I am quick. Look? Back. I would have come to me marked and the mother was to. But we came like you know. We did. Pretty regularly and work. The agree is just You wish you did more. Like the distance. Distances Haaretz and. Really be able to get food. To Weapon who is not optional it's given to that is healed. It's a belief in your body, your weapon, your shield, and an acceptance of the power temporarily cannot. Wheel. Was Interesting. She lost motion her hand for like. Somebody in the family of massace. This is this is a cousin to. Situation and I feel like. My Body's not just attack me it. So it there's a reason why does that? Accident Yeah what is the reason? Why attack in the? mylan the has a bad result but. I still I don't see my body like like like attacking me. To do that for no reason, you do it for some reason. You know what I mean. Is it warning up something else I you know. That that's just how I feel. People. Like there's a gardener zone of their specialist specializing. But They'll. Tell you the. Got Away or after. The second to last weapon is among apparent favorite device. It's the mysterious strength that comes from giving grown children unsolicited advice. You're. You're someone was saying when you having a conversation, you know he asked him questions you get answers not engaging when you're asking a bunch of course. We now. Led to interrogate the aspects question interrogation I interrogate interrogate, and you could be interested but you have to engage. I'm going to need my grandkids I. Go, and that's why I'm with the Internet and he online shopping for listen. Better way cody. You're. Because they met all of your. Who you are. But somebody else's. And then you all meet each other and see what happens but they match based on who you are. And and supposed it's reputable. All this. Stuff you're talking about I. Don't like that. and. I even. Don't even know if I even like the idea that. The. Way You stop it. This is late. Late in the country Dr Slow because. Sometime panels. Early seen anything but. It's better. I slow. Cesium. Her final weapon is dangerous, but you'll like it 'cause it's doubt it's a mother's love wrapped and a whole lot of hope. But. He was a baby. I remember you stand up in the. The best night. Remember going into the bedroom. Door You stand up in the business. owner. Down Just A. Ride. In the car with me, it's just. mainly. In. The Edison twins. Against the whole. Family. And its unbeaten good. I get out. The and Thank you for listening to this episode of the Secret Adventures of black people special shots, my producer Sean say hell and to the beautiful creative towns that at your music and your sound effects to epidemic sounds. I. Really love you. I wrote and produced this episode. Michael Hill. You can follow the show on Instagram at secret adventures of black people century on the Internet. Why don't you scroll on over DC Urban Greens and check out these black adventures. Their mission is to increase accessibility to affordable healthy foods for DC, residents living in food deserts. I mean volunteer with for a minute and I haven't. But now I've said it on a podcast so I will. Work is incredible and done a lot to support families throughout the coronavirus crisis. See next time the more stories about black folks down space. And time.

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The Big Suey: The Baked Potato

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

41:08 min | 9 months ago

The Big Suey: The Baked Potato

"Stugotz here. Where's your haircut? We know you don't get out as much draw by your regular sport clips and pop into that. MVP Haircut experience. That is so much more than a haircut but is it worth getting out four for that legendary hot steam towel for your face massaging shampoo that makes you melt into your seat you remember that right sportclips found your haircut. It's right where you left it sport clips it's good to be guy. Welcome. Really, being honest about. Just a giant piece. Of. Bald Eagles podcast exclusive that none of our bosses asked for more sports more work less pay I haven't stopped talking in month. Just when you thought this show couldn't be more diluted. Bam last time I listen to this show I haven't listened for years. Now here's the marching band to know missing something. What am I missing the end of the story that phase? Chris, Aleka Philippa? APPEANAS SANDRA HABITUAL LIAR ASPIRIN. All of a big lead I'm Chris Cody be SPN. Got into conversation here moments ago after talking to Doug hangs what a wonderful waste of time that was a hey everyone out there who real concerned about. Nothing to worry about, okay we're not all going to get sick again with a second wave of this stuff because we're opening up strip clubs are all on top of each other arguing that strip clubs are an expression of freedom and free speech we opened up half the stadium at college. Station. In that game co stupid like I can't there can't be a country that has handled this dumber than we have like they're just they're simply can't be. But the conversation we were having was far less serious than that which is a Chris asked because he was just joking about having had the prime rib and founding delicious at Tutsies. He is not someone who has eaten at Tutsies, and so he was asking who the hell eats the Strip club and so can you put it on the poll please at Lebatardshow who? The hell. Eat at a strip club. Yes or no Lou Williams does yes and that is that is a different. That is not what Tutsies is though let's be clear about that. Okay. tootsie is not the famous Atlanta Strip club that does indeed have famous wings that people come from all over four but I said to Chris when he asked who eats Strip club I'm like. There was a time I was at a Bachelor Party where and I know you guys all think well, of course, Dan needs at a strip club. But no, that's not where this story is going. My brother came in and joined us late and all he did was order a steak and a baked potato, eight it, and then he left and Tony said, the is there of food that you want less at a strip club and a Baked Potato Garo could you put it on the poll please as well? Is there a food at a strip club that you want less been a big? Odd plays to Watson Starch. I'm I'm actually confused. This is where I'm confused. Okay. I totally agree with the premise and if I were voting on that poll, I would say, no, there is no food you can have that is worse than a baked potato at a strip club but I don't know why I'm saying that I'm just assuming that the machine is absorbed some of the nearby disease like I don't know I. Don't know why I'm saying exactly that you're totally right I agree with you. Potato Bake potatoes a delicious. Worse things you could get maybe I don't know possibly I mean. Data's thing you've got the butter you get the sour cream a lot of stuff that can stick like you said, there's a lot of stuff in the air. You know you're trying to move stuff out of the way especially in Cova you, gotTa. Look up at the swimming. Five second rule right and something drops on the floor. If it's wet, you got to throw it away. If it's dry, you can answer cookie out take it. It's okay but there's something about the wet feeling of the. I love your brother thinking he's a bright one twelve here mo please put it on the poll. Can Covid, be transmitted by baked potato. Because I honest to God I don't know what we're doing here because you would agree with me right that the bake the loaded baked potato is is a magical thing. Yes, delightful. Yes. But not at a club nobody potato skins at a strip club. Those are okay. So Wait a minute. Okay. So explain sort specifically the you guys don't like that the mushy of the potato can absorb some nearby disease if you just fry it up and give me like something that's hard as a slab no problem I'll have a potato skin. No Corona via reserved disease of any kind is going to get caught in my little tube of potato. An. Food. It is to finger foods a finger food you dig it you shove your mouth. You're good. You know. Don't you think Who Was it? Was it Bruce Pearl that we said look like somebody who would eat a baked potato like it would eat a Taco isn't that what we ended up? Davis confirmed that one to me. Boy thanks. So. Funny. Because I've eaten a Baked Potato Bruce Borough. Is there anyone in sports who looks more likely to eat and I know with the to have lunch at a gentleman's club and well? Barry Switzer did that the Dallas cowboys then won a wonderful time in sports to guts that was the Dallas cowboys. So embraced their renegade image that their coach who was caught with a gun at the airport would have lunch at a gentlemen's Club, during the day with Michael Irvin. Just wonderful. Are. But, have you guys ever eaten the food at that specific establishment I t's some bad food I had the wings. Wings aren't bad pretty good these in case it is. So I had a friend that just the PICO, which was kind of weird. Tells, me a little bit about how that Bachelor Party was going. Can you explain to us because you were busy working while we were talking about it? Can you have a theory or an explanation for why it is that the baked potato is something that seems like the least the food you'd want the least of the machinists Mush The least though I mean like I, feel like if there was like a shrimp Scampi on the menu. On that. On toast butter all that stuff. Spot show I'm not. Going there. took his cafe Martorana. Spot show is good spot show at a I'm not going to say the name of the hotel, but it was Vegas Buffet and it was a higher end Vegas Buffet and I was hospitalized for three days. Put It on the poll Guillermo is there such a thing as a higher end? Spacek. A. Buffet Rather. The stratosphere I mean. Downtown of it. When you go there, everything else seems like it's high end I mean. Okay. If low end is that low? Is. A mashed potato as bad as a baked potato. A mashed potato side. Like I. Don't think of it. This is talk about mushy like that's a concentrate as the construct but I believe that the baked potato hurts us because it's mushy and it can be trapped. I believe. I believe. Case. flytrap. And illness. Yes. On high going Baked Potato at a at a gentlemen's Club not doing that. Are you going mashed potatoes more likely? I'm French fries fries. Fries, would you go potato skins? because I know, I just go French fries. It's hard to screw up a French fry. A different experiences at clubs that idea I mean I'm the fat guy and I never have looked at a menu Eddie Strip club in my entire life going on here is it just like the Bachelor Party of big groups, the order stuff for a group or something? No. So I still occasionally go because I still have shithead friends from high school that if there's a big UFC fighter, a big boxing match like oil, let's go over there and it's like the worst place in the world for me to go do because it's just I gotta go in there with like a super low hat and somebody someone's asking me about the dolphins inevitably and I just always gotta give people. Like I don't WanNa give the bathroom attendant dollars air because I especially don't trust the dollars there it's. It's just it's a whole thing but yeah, I have the food there in the food there is fine. There are usually straight to the sports bar though there are plenty of places all over America where the Strip club food is good. It is reputable it people come for just the food. But I don't feel like Florida has any of those places I. Don't believe that in this state there's a place up in palm. Beach I. AM telling you. I mean you can get a porterhouse for three with steak sauce. It is absolutely fantastic. I can't remember the name of it but I was there. Maybe I don't know I wanna say let me think how long I've been married twenty twenty one years ago it was fantastic I cannot Chris these maybe. I feel like there was a a place called Strip. That it was a Yorkshire Grab. Where they would just sort of do a play on like a strip steak and it would be more like a a burlesque show than than an actual gentlemen's Club. We have done important work here today. So far I just want everyone to absorb a groundbreaking lawsuit. A victory for Flash. And not. For Florida Not really for Florida. We're always the embarrassing ones how bad were the photos? How what what did you guys see because? I just saw a couple of photos outside of footsie's and it looked like they the most happening of nightclubs in Miami everybody was dressed You know very formally except when you got inside nobody was dressed they're they're saying that they're limiting capacity to fifty percents still it didn't look like it though did it well, that's the thing outside you. Have these photos at like that looks like a super spider because there's always a big line to get an associate's during a a game weekend always and those people didn't seem to be socially distance. Now listen you think a certain way if you're in a rush to get to tutsies and I say that someone that's gone there I mean within the last year. But I feel like you can judge the people that just have to go to a gentlemen's club during a global pandemic. It was Rachel's up in Palm Beach. Great Menu escargot Spring Rolls. Your your knowledge is a really jump across the globe from two decades ago. Yes. Ready. To broaden that for everybody. You are you are really doing something though I don't think most strip clubs have been open twenty years I would doubt very much that Rachel's is still existence. No I think it's it's going strong. I mean. Though forget it's gotTa Steakhouse world-class Steakhouse on the. It's advertised as a five star menu on. Also multiple locations because I've from somebody that that might have been a a an employee at one of these places in Orlando that it's still thriving. Chilean Sea Bass. Chilean. million. Chilean sea. That's what I thought. It was too. Know. I'm journalists Ben Writer, and I WanNa to tell you about my new podcast the edge last year, the Houston Astros were caught in a massive cheating scandal putting the legitimacy of their twenty seventeen world series in doubt. I'm talking to people who were there to figure out what happened why did the most innovative organization in the history of sports push itself not just to the edge but over it listen to the edge on radio, DOT COM apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Geico Presents Monster Counseling Dracula tell me how you're feeling. No one understands how lonely at these no one will even let me into their house I knock knock but they ignore me. What else look in the Mirror Don't even see myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly, can you really expect others to I'm having a breakthrough it's not easy to be a vampire, but with guy, it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance. Chris total non SEQUITUR, but we're all space jam guys. Did you see the reported details of space jam to now there have been finally plot details that have leaked out space jam to will reportedly have Lebron James and his son get trapped in a one brothers multi-diverse that includes penny wise and the joker to return home. Lebron bugs bunny reassemble the looney tunes and play against digital superstar versions of MBA WNBA SARS. So the joker and pennywise are going to be shaking his head movies going to suck. Yeah, I don't like that he's not going to be good. There's too much hybrid. It's not gonNA live is I. was I was saying to my wife that I would be okay. If they recreated that movie line for line, just replacing Michael Jordan with Lebron, James just released the exact same movie with Lebron James, I begin with it. I don't think most people would be if I mean and most of all I don't think the nat though like what is is it better than that one now? Look I don't know here's here is the movie Lebron James's making okay. He is doing it with his kid and I don't know what it is that he's trying to achieve that isn't going to feel cheaper than the authenticity of the joy felt when you watch that as a child, I, don't know how you make space jam. Michael Jordan without. Being Copycat. But if you were to do it, this is a big swing to involve other characters from other universes to cast a broad net. So it's not just you playing against the Mon- star, right? That's totally different. Here's some more details during a trip to the Warner Brothers Studio. That's how they get stuck in this multi verse and his son get trapped within a world that contains all of the Warner Brothers Stories and characters under the control of a malfunctioning, all powerful force named algae played by. Bill with the help of Bugs Bunny Lebron must navigate through never before Magin worlds with iconic movie scenes and characters as they reassembled looney tunes, rescue? Son Now. To get back home Lebron, the tunes have to unravel algae's mysterious plan and win an epic basketball game against digital game five versions of WNBA and NBA Superstars. Coming still billy nothing doesn't do anything for you because they've got to modernize, it can't be just the same story and you open up the entire warner brothers treasure chest there. That's going to conjure memories across a whole bunch of generate. Super Cool like walking Phoenix is all of a sudden playing joker again in a five minute version as he goes like between worlds in Warner Brothers Canada that's amazing. That's really cool idea. To remake. Agreed the fair point I do like I do like the iconic scenes from other movies that will be cool. I didn't I could buy that. Maybe I don't know what a blanket exactly. That's the one I was thinking to. Let's see I'm going to classic. Warner brothers. Movies. I Have Casablanca oh man that'll be great. That'll be great. That's a great idea. Have the wizard of Oz. That's awesome. Do it the exorcist that's not going to be like PG thirteen? I'M GONNA have to explain to movies to your daughter if they include the wizard of. explained to me, belly, we had the matrix. How cool would that be Dan that would be cool. I would like to know given. I understand any cynicism about this but given that Lebron is being managed by. Good people people we know to be smart, but also given that we know Lebron can be corny. Given both of those things is that the reason for your skepticism like when you say billy don't have to remake. Everything those are smart people around Lebron that sounds like a smart idea. I don't know if they can execute it but that sounds at least like a like a big hack. This isn't something that Lebron is taking lightly because he knows like this is not. Lebron knows how many SL covers he has and Michael Jordan has Lebron knows what he's coming after who fighting and the fact that he's going to be compared to Michael at every turn and he's welcoming this challenge under the guise of I'm a family man I'm a father I build schools I wanNA connection with kids. That's all part of what they're selling here. No this is not a challenge to be like Michael This is he wants to be a movie star WanNa make a ton of money you think he gives about the legacy of this. Now he wants to be famous he wants to put movie that everybody likes. Lebron wants to be like in the number one movie, in America. It was written by Ryan Kugler. So if Ryan Kugler can do the massive undertaking a Black Panther, make that a cinematic masterpiece nominated all sorts of awards. He can take this concept make a good. I wonder if they're feeding the childhood of some of the people that they're recruiting to do this like the way that you get a Joaquin Phoenix to do this because he was a kid when space jam came out the way that you get that the Black Panther. Architect to do this because he might have had a childhood appreciation for space jam the people who are tackling, you pay them for that too that too. But the people who are tackling, it might think the same way you do billy, which is, why do I need to do this? This is silly this isn't gonNA work. Everyone's going to criticize this. On No people are GONNA love it. It'll be a huge success is the names, but it'll be like Austin powers three where there's just eight billion cameos. was necessary. Yeah. I hear you. But into Cameos surefire automatic winner rules like I. Don't know if it is walking phoenix playing the joker I just know that the joker is supposed to be in it would be penny wise if it's it, right? Yeah. If it's played by the same actor imagine you're watching a trailer and all of a sudden Joaquin Phoenix has the joker shows up in a trailer alongside Lebron James and that's not just Joaquin Phoenix playing like Austin powers different role and just hey, I'm walking phoenix it's the joker it's a character that one academy award that's cool. Is Lebron. It's a kids movie though so it's not going to be scary joker scary it. It's going to be pennywise whatever it's called. It's going to be a cartoon little kid version of surprised depending what because pennywise is going to be scary no matter. What do you change how he looks because this is GonNa be this is meant for teens in their parents if I had to guess. I mean clowns are scary whether they look like pennywise or not right council just generally scary. Put It on the poll gear art clowns scary. Just laughing at Gaza Ouaga. You go through the entire Warner Brothers Library. What is the success for that movie like I don't expect it to be critically acclaimed, but I expect it to be popular like here's one of the things that makes me feel old and I feel old all the time around here us to I don't the number one song and America right now savage love is garbage It's just so bad but it just comes from TIKTOK and in amalgamation of new ways to accrue music and so. It's the number one song in America and I'm too old to appreciate it. So I don't think it's good but it's indisputably popular. It can't be argued otherwise right I've never heard of it. I have never heard the song of the Song I don't you know I don't know what to talk just a tick tock creation it's like just what is the name of that? The the ban the the boy band the emt what is it called? Yes Yeah It's just an amalgamation of a bunch of different stuff. Do you like the song? You couldn't like the Song Mike the Jason Derulo Song says. tiktok is really moving the needle in terms of what's popular in music. Now, because nightlife wasn't really going and that's what would make songs popular dancing to music makes it popular? Well, that's the whole idea behind Tiktok. So a song blows up on Tiktok and all of a sudden dreams from fleetwood Mac because one of the biggest arguably the song of the year it's crazy. And so it's one of the many places where I don't field to. God's like I am in touch. So you say what? You're somebody who actually appreciated space jam as a child aren't you? I did appreciate it. You weren't children neither. Next. Twenty when when space jam came out I light did I'm not obsessed with it. I didn't love. It wasn't that big of a deal I know it's a big deal to other people It just wasn't. It never resonated with me like that. It didn't. Mean resonated with me because it was it was super cool to see Michael Jordan alongside bugs bunny who for someone like twelve years old wow. These are the two most famous people in the world in my eyes even the ones animated but a big part of space jam success was the Cameos. So in the sequel, the replicating that but instead of Bill Murray, you know just being Bill Murray and golfing. Now you have Joaquin Phoenix are potentially playing a a beloved role. The soundtrack is also something that I'm looking at like. That soundtrack for this first baseman jam movie was like one of the best movie soundtracks ever. So they got a lot to live up to just from that. How many times soundtrack oh platinum. It has to be one of the biggest original motion picture soundtracks ever. Is to God's putting Jack Nicholson from the shining and space jam what does it all? I'm going through all the warner brothers, movies, the Classic Warner, Brothers Movies you get Ray Liotta from goodfellas. I I would love that movie is it possible that it's not possible that they go teenage dark, right? They're not going to allow it to be allowed. Penny wise to be scary. Are they they're not going to have to be funny with it but. anyways. How great would that be though? If all of a sudden just Jack Nicholson is in a scene sort of dragging an axe through a hotel like you got a cameo from check. I think Jack is pretty staunchly retired at this point, but he's a big Laker fan for anybody never. And he's going to be able to get all these people that do. So. Are we talking about a Lebron James being digitally inserted into these old clips? Yeah. That's so great man. That's fantastic. It's a great idea. We a lot of people like forrest Gump. How cool is it forrest gump when he was like meeting JFK. But it's not just Lebron. It's Lebron and his son correct while he's got to find his son. So I don't know how larger I haven't seen the trailer for this and I got to imagine whatever released a they had in mind has been pushed back giving the pandemic I'd love Harrison Ford from the fugitive to somehow make it appearance Richard Kimble. I WanNa see this movie. Story. This was before he started filming this and we don't know which one of the sons we don't know if it's brawny but Yeah he finished filming I think before the whole bubble thing happened. So is it true that? So we talked around whatever it is that Brownie did on social media to you know get in trouble with his father, but is it true that brawny of a sudden disappeared? From social media as soon as Lebron got home from the bubble like that there was there was a clear he was out of all of the gaming sites from one day to the as soon as Lebron like way to your Dad Dome Stop. He's been grounded from twitch. I don't know the only thing on social media that I've seen of Lebron's family is that his daughter has her own house. She has it's cute like she has this clubhouse that's the size of a home, but just structured for a five year old girl. So Lebron, go in there she's cleaning. She has her own little house. It's it's really neat. Billy, are you publicly rooting against space jam to are you I want you to put your name on it Yes some publicly rooting against. Just not super interested in it and I think that it has recipe to fail just because people have been talking about for a decade or more and how Lebron's going to do this movie. So it has to live up to all the hype that they've been building forever. It's going to be hard for that to do that. What year are we living in were brawny? Wait for his dad to get home to get in trouble like why can't he punishing from the road? Why couldn't you grow Sumi? He's getting in trouble. That's so funny that like the day he gets home when. He couldn't content. Weekend really is. The nineteen fifties it's father knows best. But that's what people were talking about like they were. They were making the link between brawny all of a sudden being punished as Lebron came out of the bubble. That's not a look man those gaming sites playing gets Brownie I'm not the one making these. Investigative allegations. Can you imagine if dirty Harry made an appearance. I love the way you're doing you're making a movie that you and me want to want. Are. Richard Akimbo and dirty. Harry and. I know. These This is the shining. He's all movies. I loved Mike Saying I. Think Jack is retired now he would absolutely come he would drag an acts across the warner brothers parking lot for Lebron James. Because I saw a sequel to the Shining Call Dr Sleep, which was actually pretty good but they couldn't get Jack. They just got someone that looked just like Jack to recreate jackass role should just get the guy that play jags kind. Notice. I'm like did did they digitize Jack Nicholson? Guy They got a bunch of lookalikes from the original shining. You didn't see the shining. The. Shining is the one of those movies that I am familiar with. But like Kimbrel or whatever you said is that Craig Kimbrel you're talking about. The fugitive in four. I've heard of it. Obviously I've heard of Harrison Ford but never seen them so good man I didn't do it. Wasn't me? What was the other one? Third. One. Third. Was a good movie that was a great movie Tommy Lee Jones. Did he get nominated for that? That was such a great line. I. Think He did get nominated movie that movie does hold up. You got the one where he's like you. Know the truth. Go. That's worrying brothers. Thought not as Columbia. Just. Imagine. Lebron and all his friends, all these classic scenes like Kendrick, Perkins and that scene we got the hangover. That's Yeah I. Think this movie can be really cool I space jam just through a bunch of star power and they made a movie out of it. Now, there's they're doing the same thing. You're going to mark out the second that you see something from your childhood in their. Goodfellas from walking genus twenty, one year old. I didn't realize Joaquin was that old God Dang, man like they're gonNA get too cute with it like just let Lebron go through a Gulf hole to get to the secret world and that's it like I. Don't need some high tech and they interesting that they're going to try to twenty twenty this up too much exac-. What Newman's up to bring him back and you'll be fine. Walking, PHOENIX. It's forty five years old just had his first child. So Twenty as space jam is twenty two years old at this point. So outside of that like Joaquin had already lived a life of tragedy. Yes. but it doesn't sound like Stugatz will be partaking in any of this and your daughter's that's not a connection point for you and your daughter's right now, not less dirty Harry's in it. GEICO. Presents Monster Counseling, Dracula tell me how you're feeling. No one understands how lonely these no one will even let me into the House I knock knock but they ignore me AH. What else I look in the mirror. Don't even see myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly, can you really expect others to I'm having a breakthrough it's not easy to be a vampire but with gyco, it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance. So I don't know what the hell the marlins did over the weekend because they seem to have their first good since what two, thousand three and we were all wondering what Michael Hill was doing still with that job early on in that regime, and now they finally have a good season and they don't bring him back now he's not technically fired his contract expired. They're not renewing it for people who don't know. Michael. Is the GM for the Miami Marlins and what are you guys billy what do we make of this? Like what is doing here where we finally have a good season and then we get rid of Michael. Hill I mean I think before the season no one would have been surprised if Michael, Hill, wasn't there at the end of the season his contract was expiring. You wasn't part of this regime. person they inherited kept. So they you know made them an offer they couldn't come to an agreement and that's it. Now, they'll bring in their own person and that'll be that they did actually make an offer that well. Let me give you some clarification on this because David. Samson. Actually talked to Mike Ryan during during the segment that they do that is always informative and he if you were listening to that actually. What happened is exactly what he said was going to happen which is the Marlins were going to make him You know I'm using this term figurative figuratively, but also literally a token offer because he's one of two black executives in the league with that kind of power it's one of the reasons that he was still there even as they gutted the entire franchise because it wouldn't have looked good and quietly during twenty twenty after a playoff season. They needed to look like he turned down the job. So David Sampson said it was an embarrassing. He predicted an embarrassingly low offer that Michael Hill couldn't accept and that would he would have to walk away from and so what they said in the press release is mutual parting of ways. Well we don't know what the offer wise and also they're cheaters black. So it's not like he was the only black person in the organization that was fired it. You know it's not uncommon for new regime to come in and bring in their own people. They just kept him around for a couple years and I didn't Lori and Sampson extend like one so they would have had to pay them anyway so they. Just. Kept him around at the end. It's not weird to to bring in new when you WanNa have your idiot no but it is weird to do it the way they did it where they kept him from one extra year and then let him go after the playoff season. But when David Samson says that he kept that job because he was black I mean I feel like that's a little cynical and like. That was. Directly that's not what David Sampson said. I, thought you said he that I thought you said he sits are now David Samson all David Samson said was jeeter's GonNa want his own guy and the whatever offer coming from g not going to be let actually be serious about keeping you. It's a you've heard of a of an offer you can't refuse this was an offer that you will refuse. But David Sampson probably would have done the same thing. Would he not? You're talking about a guy that fired the manager, the reigning manager of the Year David Samson's very pro Michael Hill. He has his agenda whenever we talk about Michael Hill he roots for Michael Hill and he he was telling me for months on that on that local hour that Michael Hill wasn't gonNA stick around I mean he foretold, this whole thing is very transparent and now Yes. There are tutors a person of color, and now he just presumably assumes that oil put somebody in that per in Michael Hill's place it's GonNa be would you guys have a problem? If Jeff Lu now became the general manager of the Marlins? From what I read, it seems like they WanNa do like a collaborative thing like bring someone in they're going to hire someone, but it's not going to be a one person job where that person has the final say on what it is that they're doing moving forward. Then a lot of people thought maybe Denver will come up because he's Kinda, rebuild the farm system Amiss said that he doesn't think that that's going to happen because embassies to like the position that he's in now in terms of talent development that maybe have a bigger say but I don't know what? They're GONNA do I mean we'll see billy how do you feel about this though what the point that Chris was making I can poo how successful is season it actually wasn't terms of just doing the measurements on how good they were because of what I've told you about them having the same sort of stat as the bottom of the division with the nationals Phillies, and the met the same sort of numbers but a better record. But if I'm using winning as a reason to keep somebody and we're all in agreement that the Marlins have indeed replenish their farm system. Isn't Michael Hill coming off the best season. He's ever had as Marlins head of power like with those two things in mind because I I don't think that they were actually that good last year but they were a nice story as the bottom feeders. But if you buy into that stuff winning is all that matters isn't the argument to be made that Michael Hill as being let go or is being made an offer that he doesn't find suitable coming off his single best season in charge of the marlins. I mean but it wouldn't be his best season because the players they've acquired over, you know a group of seasons. So I guess then it becomes a question of who do you give the credit to is Michael. Hill's decision was a player development decisions who do they think is responsible for the team success and I think by letting him go they don't think he's responsible for the team's success. And that's fair to say except that they probably should have done that last year it doesn't make a difference to wipe everyone else out and then I think I told you guys at the time and maybe this is where you and how you made that inference Chris I think I told you at the time that the thing that jumped out to me about them cleaning house except for my kill is that they felt that they couldn't strip the power from a black executive. and. That's the reason that he stayed in that position of in a pie chart of a lot of different reasons, right? Like that's the case I think you WANNA have a transitional guy as you're moving guy who's been with the organization who's familiar with say had a bunch of people like that and they let all of them go except for Michael Hill. He was the one guy and then a year later later they let him go and I'm not even criticizing it. I think billy all brings up all good points the part that just struck me as curious as I would have thought you would if you were GonNa do it I would have thought you would have done it a year ago it's actually worked for Michael Hill that they didn't because now he enters a free agency period where people look Oh, he built the Marlins into a playoff team. So it's worked out for him and Derek jeter's obviously making a move look if it's gotta be awkward with Derek Jeter. Because Michael Hill's from a previous regime, he had a different power structure. Now, he reports a Derek jeter if they're jeeter negotiates from someone outside of that power structure, it's still going to feel a little weird right. It's not going to be like your my guy and I, think Derek jeter is at this point really interesting to in ceding power to anybody or giving appearances that. So whoever puts in place if he actually does put someone in place in doesn't just go full power grab it is ultimately going to be Derek, jeter's call it's going to pick guy and he will have final say in the matter no matter what. By. The way that's what it seemed like it was under laureate too. So it seems like Michael Hill's always kind of had people overseeing him and not really I don't WanNa say interfering. But when we were talking about, why is Michael Hill still there with all of the issues that they had that they didn't build these playoff teams with all these guys saying. Well. Michael Hill was the guy that made these trades well, then you read the ports later on and it's a lot of these bad deals were not Michael Hills fault. They were the fault of Laurie who is pushing through these bad deals like John Buck or whoever it is ripe where he was getting in a way in Chen and he was getting in the Way of the GM in some cases well, maybe this will be good for Michael I mean everyone has come out like the local reporters all at Michael Jose great guy he did a good job. So you're GONNA think he'll probably get another shot based on what turned around here with the Marlins and maybe it'll be for him to get a new scenery where. He will be the guy making decisions and some of these things where you don't have an owner in Jeffrey Loria who's kind of interfering with things and if you know, you read the reports that they WanNa, make it a collaborative thing here down in Miami which whoever else involved. Maybe it'll be good for him to be the guy somewhere else it is interesting. As a perspective. But what if it's not like what if it's not easy getting? It wasn't Vast what if it's not easy of all the marlins stains in your past and all of a sudden. Not, only what if it's not, what did that offer have to be for Michael Hill to say I'm not interested in this like how what I thought was interesting for insult what I thought was interesting about the maneuvering of it is. What you were going to take him back. If he accepted the crappy offer, then he would have been back. He would have been good enough but only if he works cheap. Like I've I've found the mechanics of that to be most interesting the idea that they're putting out there we parted ways mutually and Sampson told you months ago what was going to happen here where he said they're gonNA, insult him with the offer and then they're both GONNA throw up their hands and say, no, this that will part ways amicably once. Again to be fair to all the parties, we have no idea what the offer was. We just have the result of Michael Hill not accepting the offer. So we're just left to speculate that with months coupled with months of being having this foretold told to us by David Samson Mike. The offer is bad enough where that man walked away from the job. A lot of people would want. We don't know that also it could also be a situation where they said listen we're not going to bring you back next year. You can go out and say you turned down an offer whatever you want it to be, but we're going to move on without you. So if you WANNA save face or whatever. So you turned down the offer and then it's not were fired. I'm so curious about what represents doing that job well, if it's not this year because. You got the success, the way the baseball people do the measurement. Playoff doesn't matter was a mutated season doesn't matter that it was sixty games whatever by the measurements of this season, you made the playoffs and by consensus, the farm system has indeed been rebuilt and you rebuilt it by properly scouting. Yelich. Ozone A-. And Stanton Yup by doing your job because Michael Hill's been here a long time, all of those pieces that had value to recreate the club or at least in some way they touch. Michael Hill more than they touch present management bright. But what what they got for those players was that all Michael Hill was that a combination of Jeeter and Michael. When I'd find what I would love to know as an answer because we don't know you got Samson with an agenda arguing one thing you got billy with fandom arguing another and with information like understanding what it is that he's watching I would love to know an honest answer to the question asked of either Michael Hill or Derek jeter hey, who's responsible for this is a Geeta bringing in his Yankee people or is it you that sort of fix the farm system because I'm guessing I'm just guessing here that jeeter thinks he did that I'm guessing jeeter thinks he did it as well of course. So what do I need Michael? Hill for right I do it myself and he wants to do it himself.

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How PG&E's Bankruptcy is an Attempt to Hold Californians Hostage

"This is one of my favorite days because we get to visit with our friend. Jamie court C O U R T, the spelling just like going to court, and he's the president of consumer watchdog and consumer watchdog does go to court for consumers, but they do a whole lot more checkout. Consumer watchdog dot ORG, consumer watchdog dot org is the home in my humble opinion for the best consumer group around Jamie court. Thanks for coming back as always on the Norman Goldman show owes my pleasure, norm. Oedema pleasure. Jimmy you. And I spent a lot of time talking about PG civic gas and electric our friends on real talk nine ten San Francisco Bay area know, all about this company. That's where they're getting their gas from right? And there's been all kinds of problems with PG. We spent a lot of time talking about the wildfires potential liability their attempts to get the legislature us taxpayer dollars to bail them out last week. We talked about the y les at twelve and the junket a bunch of Democrats and Republicans going and hobnobbing in a Wii Walla state was burning down in a lot of PG knee service. Because if PG equipment Jamie now now, they're threatening bankruptcy. The threatening bankruptcy is a big company with a lot of money to threatening bankruptcy, Jamie. They bankrupt. Well, they're morally bankrupt. There's no question about that. He got this jab because they haven't modernizer to haven't cleaned the vegetation from their lines. They they're convicted sound six times over between San Bruno and previous criminal activity, literally. So we know that they're not van crypt in the financial sense 'cause they can pay their bills. They don't have any verdicts or judgements against them in his fire cases, you know, what they're doing is. They're taking hostages, you know, they're trying to take workers, you know, who who just got a notice that they're going to go into bankruptcy and another twelve days. We're trying to take homeowner victims will be delayed and their verdicts if there are verdicts, and they're going to get paid because they're in bankruptcy. They're trying to take the state of California hostage, and maybe contractors houses, and they're doing this because they either want a political bailout, which I don't think there. Going to get and or they want leverage when they try to settle these cases cheap against the counties and cities and homeowner victims from the fires, and they're over inflating their overstating by I would say more than fifty percent, what the potential liability is, which is when you do that in a court of law kinda line to judge. So my hope is that the state of California chases him, the public utility commission gets good appointment from governor Gavin Newsom, and they chase him into bankruptcy and say to the bankruptcy judge. You know, I couldn't declare bankruptcy. If I had enough money to pay my bills, I'd be denied. And I think they should deny PG, and he's request you because there isn't a state report that wholesome accountable for the fire there isn't a verdict for which there accountable. They may be accountable in years, they may need to deal with these problems. But it is not here today, and they're doing this as a safe harbor to shield themselves from having the deal with and talk about their. Doubles. And they just want someone else in bankruptcy court to figure out what they can forgive or whether they're going to get a bail out. That's not the way the handle your problems when you create problems PG and has the PG and he's not a victim. It's a felon. Very aggressive. Use of bankruptcy, right? It's kind of a preemptive thread of bankruptcy or even a preemptive bankruptcy before anything happens. Right. As a way to get goodies. It's a preemptive launch. I mean, Jamie imprudent business would say, okay, we have these potential liabilities down the road. We gotta start putting reserves the side. We gotta start managing our business in order to handle this, right? They gotta try and stretch out the payments, and then maybe get some financing. I mean, if I were being a prudent manager of this company, I would say, okay, we have some really large contingent liabilities coming down to pike. We gotta start planning for him. I wouldn't immediately run into bankruptcy and say, I'm gonna flush y'all down the drain before any of this ever happens unless you give me stuff. I mean, this kind of. Corporate piracy criminality, isn't it. Yeah. I mean, it's an extension of their criminality. You know you fail to do. What you're supposed to do. You've done. An instance. After instance, you go to the legislature last year, get a bail out for your two thousand seventeen fire liability, which they did then before the Liang's dry on that you go to a Bank of see going to bankruptcy. So you don't have to face your two thousand eighteen liability. And you don't have to deal with the victims. I mean, if you're a legislator. You're feeling pretty dumb listening last year, but these guys are taking hostages, and I I'll tell you the thread going now Norwich this crazy you've heard of too big to fail. You know? I mean, I think these guys are too corrupt to fail, but there's in the environmental corporate environmental communities to green the fail it PG. And he goes in the bankruptcy. We're not gonna have those renewable energy laws that governor Brown past. How's that work? Chris the contracts for the renewable would be subject to revision and the bankruptcy court. Well, there's a way to deal with that. Yeah. I mean, it's in the point is you just keep digging deeper and deeper hole until you're at the center of the earth, and you're going to boil when it gets really hot down there. And you know, that molten semi there's no excuse trust of gotten this far. And yet they keep digging keep digging. So who knows what next week will bring? But if I'm governor Newsom, and this is the biggest test of my administration, and it is. This brand new administration. I get a new public utilities commission president who's up to the task. And I make sure that I don't let them get into bankruptcy. If I don't think they should be there. I go follow him. And I go stop them. And that's how you know, you gotta govern who's following? You know, your your interests and not PG's interest. We'll see what he does. I mean at this point. It looks like he's looking at those as options he's looking at city hired bankruptcy attorneys. So I I respect I respect that type of STAN we'll see if he follows through. And I think the point is you can't negotiate with hostage, takers. The truth. I hope you know, this voice. This is our friend Jamie court. It's spelled C O U R D Jamie court is the president of consumer watchdog, check them online at consumer watchdog dot ORG, exposed confront change. That's the motto. I love this group. And I think you will once you get to know them, we've been having Jamie court on this show virtually since the beginning every week and Jamie. Speaking of friends, a friend of consumer watchdog, a friend of this show, Michael hill, sick H. I L T K. Let's give him the credit because that's where credit is due Michael hill. Sick HIL TCI in the Los Angeles Times a few days ago, commenting on this issue that we're talking about suggested that the state of California simply by PG and Michael Hilton who's a business writer along with David Lazarus in the business section the LA times. Michael Hill's ex argument was basically look the stock market is hammering PG and either stock is plummeting at the time. He's writing a few days ago. Already lost fifty two percent of its value. He said, you know, the state of California's got a lot of money the way it is the value. The stock is going we can just buy the stock own the company for very modest sum of money, and then just incorporate into the state grid and start modernizing it that way by getting rid of the profit margin and planning for the public interest, Jamie. I thought that was a heck of a great idea is that a realistic idea. It is at the moment. Jerry hill. Senator he'll have the same idea. You know, Scott Weiner had suggested something similar. There's the belief that maybe municipalities will use their power of eminent domain to take over the PG any equipment. There's a San Francisco Munis misbelief, it's just getting going. This could become part of that there's lots of options, but the point is we want renewable energy. We wanna meet our renewable portfolio standards. We can't trust the six time felon where corruption at every turn as all we hear from them. What we gotta do is in. Power the local communities. There's an movement with the renewable energy movement to go to these local community aggregating these community where where they produced renewable energy, and they were going to be contractors, actually for the utilities and utilities hated them. But in this case, they could actually become the main suppliers of municipal utility or a state or a, you know, a northern California regional utility with me with that is that is that is run by the government or 'cause I got mental agency. That's the way to do it. When you have the the public. You have the power of the public because there's a lot that needs to be done to prevent these fires. We need to do underground underground wires for the power lines where we think it's windy and dangerous and PG and he's never going to invest in that. But you know, what a public utility would a municipal utility publicly controlled utility. And so I think I think this is an opportunity, but they. Don't necessarily have the same the same size courage in in Sacramento, as they do in the Mike he'll circum-, you know, you've got. Factor. You got you got the Wiley at twelve factor. Right. If. Page twenty using its money then fled. Winding in Hawaii. You know? That's who they are. They're they're close. And they don't wanna put a brother out of business might not get back to Hawaii next year, you know, to hang out at the luau with them. So I I don't know where we're going from here. I can tell you this week. It doesn't look like there's going to be a bailout if anything there could be a buy out, but that's complicated. And I think the real play for the next eleven twelve days is can we keep PGN out of bankruptcy. We'll Gavin Newsom appoint a really tough PC, president public utility commission president to to pull this all together. That's the real question. The arguments very simple straightforward and not bankrupt. Why can you file bankruptcy of you're not bankrupt. You're saying that maybe one day down the road if things work against you, then and you can't man is no way you could possibly manage your business to avoid this. So you declaring a preemptive bankruptcy way way in advance with a whole series of sumptious. I would simply take the position of you're not bankrupt. You can't be in bankruptcy court of you not bankrupt. And see how see how see how far that goes with microbes? I predict I'm going to be in the hospital next month and pay all my bills, I'm going to Bank if she now so I can go sheet with the hospital. So I don't have to pay the bills because I'm in bankruptcy already this making sense, a preemptive medical emergency. I like that. Yeah. As it is only a corporation with this type of guy and lack of any sense of social contract with do such a thing. PG any fits that Bill? Perfect with Jamie. Remember the ruling. You got to remember the rule. Jamie corporations are people, my friend. They're very very special people. And if this corporation was a person as a six times felon, it'd be in jail now that's can't put a corporation jail. You can't you can't put them. You can't there's no death penalty can't arrest them. You can't jail them. Right. You can't arraign him put him on trial. Really mean who goes who suffers all of us near you. Go Jamie got to leave it there. But on that, very somber note allow me to remind everybody we've been talking to our friend, Jamie court. It's J A M I E C O U R T. Jamie court, president consumer watchdog checkout, consumer watchdog dot org online and you'll see all Jamie courts. Great colleagues. They're doing all work for us. We should know them, and we should support them, Jamie. Thanks so much for all you do. And we I have a sneaky suspicion. We'll be talking about PG a bunch more in the near future on the Norman Goldman show. Thank you normally configured to talk. And more.

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SSP Classics: I've Never Been to Me by Charlene

The Story Song Podcast

50:41 min | 6 months ago

SSP Classics: I've Never Been to Me by Charlene

"Hey everybody. Welcome back to the story song podcast. I'm dan mcinerney. Rachel oakes michael hill. this is another one of our classic episodes This was one we had done back in. Twenty eleven This is charlene's. I've never been to me and guys. What can you say a classic. This is when we started the show. This was definitely one of the big ones This is this is one that we talked about off mic for years Making jokes about and then. We finally did on the show. And i'll say this if you don't know this song shame on you. Shame shame. this is not a song you run into but it's a song about shame so that is true. That is true but you guys can stick up for everybody all you want. I say shame on you know. I mean look. I why why why was going to say was that you know this. This thing established a lot of Things maybe we come back to a lot Perhaps too much critics might say The haters might say but You know the the idea of shirley and attacking a woman in walmart and screaming at her all the all the life choices as she. She's made it clear now. Not the life choices that the woman has made but that has made. She's just standing there telling her life story right chevy's years also screaming her that the woman's life choices are the correct ones and then charlene's are the wrong ones. Basically a pair yet to me is a really intense affirmation that you just run up to somebody and start doing a great job. So you're doing a great job. I the terrible with the intention of don't change anything exact. Don't do that Here's where story f. You're on the right path. I don't want to say anything more. Give it a listen It's a really great funny episode. Sorry about the audio quality We weren't quite as good things back then but you'll get used to it. It's fine Also sorry that we all sound like chipmunks longtime ago but Enjoy enjoy a this episode. And we'll be back at the end to wrap it up me a nice place to visit. But i wouldn't wanna live there this week on the stories on Third welcome back to the story. Songklod cast mcenery. Michael gazelle end. I'm rachel each and every week on the show we look at a story song and take you through the wonderful world of the story within that song and this week is no exception and you guys ready. Go excited like the best. This and to be completely honest. I am not only excited. I'm a little nervous because this one is okay. I i'm afraid i won't do it. Justice like do. I have inside me to talk about. I've never been to me by charlene. This is an amazing story songs. Rachel police tell us the story of his on own. My goodness where to begin so our narrator charlene stopped a woman from. I don't know either on the street in the grocery store. Something that she wants to give her some advice. Not a woman a lady a lady. Hey lady she stops the lady and she begins to tell her about all her escapades. Her sexy s completing around the world exculpated her sexcapades. The icecapades Right yeah it is but less ice and more at so she. She tells her that she's been all over the world. Never settling down and going from man-to-man town to town and dancing and in the blue and she's just seen things that nobody should see especially a woman and she says that she's been to paradise but she's never been to me and she says to the lady and by making charlene right charlie. Not you not to me. Yeah never been herself. Yes and so She but then she proceeds to tell the woman Whether or not we don't know but she was to tell the woman that she What paradise is which is the baby. She has the husband she has and that she shouldn't be a whore. The alternate title of the song is the horse. You your jim you things. You'll never do had done to me. One time too. Jack out to be never to me if we start at the very top of mean. This song is a amazing grace. The first two words are awesome. Hey lady thursday. Clearly yelling miss at someone a person she does not know. Hey lady you lady cursing at your life. So there's there's a lot of ladies around and she has to identify specific which went. Hey lady you let me. Is it me lady. okay. Doesn't matter. So i see you cursing at your life in your mind. You're cursing life. There are three scenarios in which this is taking place. One charlene is behind this woman at a supermarket on the shoulder out To the woman drops some eggs. And she's like she needs to to. This woman is waiting on a subway platform shirley lady who was just screaming. The lady and said lady is doing her best to pretend like. She's turned her ipod up. Can't possibly here. It's like really wish i had had. What the one day. I forget my my headphones or three. The woman is tied to a chair charlie department. I'm definitely one of those. Whatever it is. She's there against her. Yeah i think it starts at one at one and then proceeds to the third one to cursing at your life. How does she possibly know yet. The woman is curse quote unquote cursing at her. You know what you know what happens. Sometimes you'll you'll drop something and what you're thinking is like maybe it's been a rough day and you're just like just another thing. Maybe she's done it under her breath but charlene's close enough that she can hear her speak under her breath so the woman who are liens like two inches behind her. At all times the woman drops something and she's like perfect charlene. Like hey lady you lady cursing at your life. I just dropped my keys. I forgot my coupon at home. This is big. This is bigger than that. But also you know what this is like hair been like walking around the city or something and then like you're just you're perfectly fine. You're just you're heading somewhere and then someone decided to be like hey smile. It's not so bad and you're like you know what. I wasn't in a bad mood before. Okay thanks a lot. Stop telling me to smile. I get a completely neutral expression on my face. As i'm heading from one point to another because if you're smiling all the time and then you find something to smile about. You can't smile dorm. i'll hello heart your cheeks we got. We're only two months. You're a discontented mother. Regimented wife. Not your business. Charlene i dream about but it went. Someone had talked to me. I wanna talk to you. I'm not. I mean you're trying to escape from my clutches onto have this talk. I have i have to go. I'm done being rung up. I just got to you know doesn't say i was. I wanted to talk to me. Like i'm going to talk to you because they wish it wasn't going to be like i want to you or that. You want to hear me say this is really offer me. This is all charleen time. And then charleen tells her about all of the amazing things and this woman admittedly Charleena's done some amazing things in your life. I'm gonna stop you right there. Because she has not well some of the things she has. But what i was gonna say was. She's been kings yachts for some reason. She just start to start with the fact that she's been to georgia. That's her leadoff to this story is she has been to georgia. She opens with. I've been to georgia and california. You don't need to pass your mind. Even florida georgia no matter mary. You georgia no matter where you are in the united states. You are no more than six hours. She just wants to. She wants to gauge the reaction. I've been to georgia and california and the woman's like oh it's got i got a crank it up taking in the space station. I took the head of a preacher man and we made love in the sun. That's nice which. I think she also glosses over like let's. There is a disgrace minister yet here in the story that she doesn't talk about it all. No i'm guessing that's in georgia georgia. She is she is a lead. A man of god away from the faith and broken major rule and they boned outside so at this point the the lady online is like. That's that's great thank you. It was very nice meeting. I'm gonna go but charleen reaches out one hand wrestling. I had things i needed to set. She lets her know. I've done all this stuff. I've been to paradise. My life's been great paradise equals atlanta. But i've never been to me and that and that's you know. I i don't i don't know myself you know. And the unexamined life is not worth living. Let me let me take the other the ladies point you. And she says all that stuff. And i would be like this. The hell's that supposed to make. How does it help me. Whatever i've never been to me. Oh you kind of a weirdo. I've ever been to me either. And i've never been to the thing. Thanks a lot for the latest point only minutes as the highway malays point of view. I never been to me like this other like a freeze. The people you know what you're saying that's not. That's not a thing that sounds like a recovery type. Well step issue. That's step thirteen. Go apologize chip step. Is i think. I think when they were writing the song they wanted it to become a thing. They want it to be like people would be saying. I never been to me time. It was it was. It did not become a thing. Don't just walk away. Because i had this need long. A notch won't share a that has last and the isle of curry. I move and showed them what i got dressed back. And i've seen to okay so then remember avenue k. Lady you lady please lady don't just walk yes please. Don't just walk please lady please. She released that. Please lady because the ones i have to. I really have to. I have to go. I've got ice cream in this bag. I have to go. She's like digging her nails. were arm. don't walk away hurting. you're hurting me charlene. I will not be ignored lately. Why do i know your name. I certainly of then. She's saying she's not saying. I wanna help you saying i have. This need to tell you why i'm so alone today. One it's all about charlene pulse compulsively telling this woman. Yeah how harley loan the shares. because what she's saying is. I can see that you are a person who hasn't been completely beaten down yet the mighty you. There's a little bit of hope out. You wanna go to places like georgia not a crazy so so the first part did not keep the women's attention the first part. The woman's like that's great preacher man traffic. I'm married a rabbi. Let's move so she's like no. I gotta ratcheted up even more. She's really trying to sell it so she's like you don't want you in california. Haven't gotten you. What about niece and the isle agrees grabulin. I've been i've been to. I've been to to lower europe. Lower europe is other that is not the mediterranean trade south of. You're i obviously this story. This story is a slow burn. You starting with georgia. Yeah but it turns out the yet. She's been to greece Champagne at at again. If you are like a you know just a a woman who's got her got her kid on her hip and got groceries on the other hand. Wasn't you wanna hear about is. Somebody's sipping champagne on a yacht. What how you're ben. Don't tell me your citizenship hand on a yacht. While i got babies spit up on my on my used clothing okay. I'm sorry like from the goodwill used clothing. Got it from like a murder. There's a bullet hole in this shirt. Somebody was killed in it used. And then she says i moved like harlow in monte carlo and show them what i got. I don't wanna know what that means us. That sound terrified whenever she was showing them. She's got i. I can think of a million things. All of them are bad. Again is an a supposedly an amazing place with a lot of wealth. Yeah and shut up. Show them and jean harlow famous. Glamorous movie star and she was glamorous in a glamorous place and again baby spit up on the shoulder eggs. Are your life so hard to monte carlo. You breath have seven children. I have seven other children. And they are waiting for me at southbound. I bought walmart brand. Okay thanks a lot. Charlene enjoyed that shampoo. I've been addressed by kings. And i've seen some things that a woman eight supposed to sit by. This is my favorite line in this or any song because it's not just a woman is not supposed to see these first of all. What is the woman not supposed to see in this day and age when women have the vote. Now right here. Here's yeah but now we're the kings gonna say so. Rachel you're a woman and as i'm sure you know you're a delicate flower. Servings thing that would describe me. It would be delicate flower. Am my goal women. There are certain things that us men. Like michael need to need to keep away from the realities of the world. Newspapers information voting all these things. What things did you did. She see the think that that women aren't supposed to see my guess is fantasy football fantasy recreate about people and places life. Be but you know what truth is. It's that little baby you're holding and instead manufactured this morning the same one. You're going to make level tonight. That's true that's talk. Paid nine exploring. Eddie song spoken part. I mean any has literally everything weird spoken word bit. I'd like to say before we get the lyrics of this the way she speaks charlene shut up just like she's like ian all what she's so pained about it. She talks to anyone. Who's ever forced a pamphlet into my hands and told me about how jesus was coming back very soon. She might as well start off with what it was just holding her by the risk on doing so i ask you a question. How do you know a paradise. Yeah i know what it is. Yeah yeah. I think it's it's it's something very true and real palpable gets. I think it's It's a place where people go and they just have like a fulfilling life right and they You know eat drink. Coconut milk coconut. Go look her yeah. I don't know tell you this you're both wrong. Somewhat paranoid doesn't lie. What paradise is a lie about about about a way that we want things to be. But they're they're not and that's that's what charlene is telling us. Well then paradises widen. What's true what's truth. I don't know. I'll tell you what truth is and this is the point where the woman should call the police. She should have in her purse her cell phone. Because it's not nineteen seventy eight. You should have her in her hand in her cell on her cell phone clicking nine one and this is the point where she hits one because charlene says you know what truth. Is that little baby. You're watch her baby she wants to go. And the man you fought with this morning and that you'll make love to solve before you get to the super premium part. How do you know. I followed my husband. Are you what is happening. How do you know all this information. That man that you fought with at your table this morning having rice krispies and you wanted to have something with a little more brands so creepy. He's ring a red towns way to work. You'll be making love to your queen size bed okay. You make love them tonight. Because it's tuesday and you always get the feeling that like she was sort of sleeping in their bed. Yeah just watching them fight. She's definitely videotaping them. I'm gonna say you know here's the thing is on this show. We have a lot of fun. We could take a little nugget of a song. We kind of blow it up and act like it's a big deal. This party's not even joking crazy. She's clearly talking to when she goes no and she's like you're going to bone your husband to turn you're going to really get in there and it's like what are you talking. Who says that to a stranger. That's crazy shot and the thing. That's the thing that makes it even just like the fact the word choice the fact that she calls it making love. That's like oh you couldn't be like roosevelt so grossly seventies. Yeah you're gonna make love with your lover. God-like clinical about it just call intercourse. And here's the thing you guys we've done for a long time. Yeah we're not even crazy as part of this no okay. Sometimes i've been to crying for unborn children. Let's okay so hallway. Not this escalated. Yeah like not only is she like. Hey i've gone to georgia and it's cool but i left feeling little empty. She's now she's crying herself to sleep because what happened. Was that that first moment. The first first lady's like i have to go. She leaves she's like i have to ratchet up again. The second time the police are on i g says she's spent crying for unborn children. So she's she. She either stays midnight crying about the children she never had or she stays up crying about. And i won't say the word but arrives with swiss martian because sprays unborn. Children is super creepy life. Talk i don't think in the seventies you have that much sex with kings and don't have a. They weren't super vague on. What does this tell. childless people like us. You're just not complete. This is all about like if you don't have a child and you're not a real person the point of this song Let's say they might have made our complete. It could have just been like. Oh i've got a kid. And i still feel empty monte carlo. Gotta pay for a ticket for this kid. Your glass of champagne. I don't know we amount a good mother now. If you this crazy just say we have an entire podcast episode on this one line. This is where she goes absolutely crazy. This is the part of the song. There's no other way to say gets a real. I spent my life exploring the subtle whoring. That costs too much to be free. She uses the phrase whore. Yeah which is innovates of itself not that subtle now. It was implied the entire time. Here's what it was more than implied because she made love with a preacher man and she was kings and but no now she's a whore. She's subtly a horse. Sally subtly quietly a hor. It's the part of the song we're like his on the radio and you're listening to your own car whenever you're not really paying attention to the lyrics and then you hear him subtle whoring yet which had lines sticks out like you definitely hear that line. We've realistic to. And she says i've been at paradise. Never ends never been to me and then as the song fades she sort of breaks it down a little bit and it's almost a little bit more remorseful where she just repeats. I've been to paradise. Never been to me. Well that's the. I've been the paradise. Never been to me well now. She's screaming at as they shoved the back of the police car. And you close the door banging on the window. I've been to me. I never been to me. Jails where you're going and the woman walks away going. I am not going back to that one all right. So we're going to take a quick break and when we come back the history of this story on the story. Are you looking for a playlist of the hottest most pumping jams around well. We can't help you with that but we do have a spotify playlist of all the songs we've reviewed on the show so if you'd like to hear that search for the story song podcast the official playlist on spotify. Then you'll hear the most lit baller bops go hard. I can't read all right. We're back with the history of this on story behind the story. Michael charlene have never meant to me. Please give the history because it's even better if not better in the song still pretty good. So the song was originally released in nineteen seventy seven I believe it was on her album. Called charlene. I think oh really. Yeah so charlene. Release it seventy seven. I went to number ninety two on the billboard. Hot one hundred. Don't care which again not anything to be ashamed of. I mean rachel thanks it is. I think you should be completely. You should be more ashamed at that. Then you are of your subtle whoring. I think i think you're just jealous. That you're debut. Single went to number ninety four. That was. I've never been to you. So song is about subtle horry So point of view did not work out i will. Let's say this so you're live at home right now. I think a bullet went to ninety two like why talking about the song. This song is in a hit. what happened. i don't understand how this guy here. Well it was discovered or rediscovered and started to get airplay By a dj in florida and it started to pick up popularity And due to its popularity the they re released it in nineteen eighty two. I think there were originally two versions recorded one with the spoken one word one without and the spoken word one is what got the airplane became popular. Oh yeah it topped the charts. It went to number three number three charts and it is on the top of the charts and the top ten and top ten hit. It's a top three hit. That's better in one thousand nine hundred. Here's the thing now. You say well how what happened. How did this song take five years to top the charts. I have a theory gopher. Okay your theories. Make me nervous. This song is so weirdly right wing right. It's all about and here's the thing in theory like on on the top of the isn't that bad. Like oh hell a lot of fun of my life. I didn't have a family i regret. That's fine but the the point of the signs that there's only one way to be happy to get married and have children like i keep expecting at some point in the soccer say like begins inception flat tax. You know no no affirmative action down economy. And here's the thing the point of this song. The message of the song people that want to hear that seventy seven. Now we're still out having a grand old party time in america by eighty two. Yep we're living. In reagan's america and people are people from the seventies are starting to regret their life choices. Like why did i. I don't have a septum anymore because snorted cocaine starting in the eighties. No whatever he's like there's goes. Oh no no business. Cocaine was on disco cocaine cocaine different. You just use it to stay awaken carve out more deals. Oh what the detail. Scott shannon scott. Oh my god. He is just has led amazing life. He's really helped world houston to georgia. Acne he unleashed this song on america for anyone listening at home right now. Scott is a famous dj on new york radio. Okay let's be one. Oh the song was written for a man right it was. It was originally from male perspective. Less worrying Men who i was. I don't know if it was made famous by but it was originally sung by. Let's just take the male version. Yeah i don't know how famous was but henry. We had never heard of this and heard of. I've never been to be my ready. Pretty obscure it was performed by howard keel. Who is an american actor singer Famous movies from the forties and fifties in seven brides for seven brothers. He was in Showboat annie. Get your gun And the tv series dallas And he did a male version of. I've never been to. Which is the weirdest thing was written. Ever four a man because this feels like one of the few songs that you really can't gender flip it right like right. I'm just like please understand that. I'm speaking from not my perspective but a society perspective where man is like. Oh i had sex with a ton of women and now i'm not married. There'd be a lot of high-fiving right like over. I mean i'm sure it happens. But i'm just saying like but it just seems weird that it was written for a man it seems like a on that so yeah but i think it's completely different story. Do yourself a favor listening audience and look up howard howard howard keel howard keel version of this From nineteen ninety-three or whatever his forearm and it was it was the version that we've seen we've seen is is from ninety three british show. Yeah but it's it's more about Like he's like a homeless person and yeah he and he's like asking some guy on the street for a dime and he was like. Hey mr instead of hey lady and He in he says. Like i could see your like hellraiser some something like that and he says no you settle down. I find like realize what's important you're having a great time. You're you're out painting the town or something and realize what's important important find love and that's a huge difference between. I'm having a little fun in my life. Maybe i'm drinking too much doing drugs. I shouldn't be doing and being a homeless man like there's a there's a giant spectrum. That's he's saying that's how he got there. But here's the thing is a gateway drug fun leads to ruin. The guy is playing with a paddle auto body. This gives them a ballpoint pen case. But the thing is that he's talking to somebody who's going down the same path as he is trying to give them advice whereas the arlene version. And that's that's sort of the the the same thing i think. Now she's not going down that lady's not they're giving her baby up for adoption. So can go upsets with kings ncaa opposite. She's what charlene wanted to be. She's what charlie could have been saying you fantasize of a life. That's the life had i. I'm telling you it's not that great whereas this guy's like you're on a parallel track with me now. What it should have been charlene's like hey stripper. That would have been like that. Did that was just later in the night. What sitting in the jail thing and this was like. Yeah i know. I'm exactly like you. Hey officer officers. Don't talk like you know me. So yeah so charlene. This was her hit. This was sort of a. I don't like to say but a one hit wonder. She clung pretty heavily to it. She did but she. She had a follow up single Which was called used to be. Yes yeah it was a duet with stevie wonder which is pretty great now. This is an eighty two after it's been released right. Yeah yeah yeah I mean it's pretty great for her. Not it's not steve's best song but like she worked with stevie wonder's that's awesome That's not a huge I think it might have cracked the top hundred. Sorry i'll say this. I looked this was a while ago. But for some reason on itunes. I looked up. Charlene gsa greatest hits album. Yeah i think it's the greatest ever seen that has what don't have stars i'd like. Oh this is darrel like so. If i was her best song. I can only imagine what filler they were putting on this greatest hits l. to fill it up and he gets other versions of because there was she did a dance. Remix two thousand eight now. The phrase dance remix is never ever good man. It's i think we spoke about this about some other son. I forget what they re released it and ninety nine Luckily like don't was just past hold onto that memory. Don't try and come back. So the song is was big for charlene and she She's continued recording and doing other things. She wrote an autobiography called. I've never been to me and her website is. I've never been to me. dot com. Look show we're not job and she She's also written a children's book she. She's right like a child whoring. No it has nothing to do with. May she's called crazy lady. She wrote that your she she wrote a like a like a crime thriller novel or something Right about suspense novel lady. who's Sip champagne on a yacht. And she she. I think talks fondly about this her her official website refers to. I've never been to me As a gay anthem and karaoke favorite Try going into a karaoke bar and singing this. Yeah have you know. But i'm thinking about it now. I think that the moment people. I hear that piano part and urine karaoke bar doesn't everybody turns back drink but i don't know if it's a gay anthem so much as it is drag queens love except i wouldn't call it again am i. No no no. It's not like a like a. I will survive or something like it's weird. Yeah it sounds. It's also not disclosed a lot of the big anthems. They're like dancing please please. Don't i can't stress enough. Don't do this for karaoke. 'cause don't be the jerk brings it down and is like i'm going to do the charlene song with talking in the midst do. Don't stop believing or something along those people the worst at karaoke i don't i don't like her. Declaring this which anthem let them decide anthem. Charlene you'll be telling people what is it is not a gay anthem. I think it's i think it's popular among i've seen videos on youtube of like drag queens doing wrong because it is very over the top again and but don't think for a drag but also in priscilla queen of the desert as means. Yeah yeah i. I think that the that her website plays pretty fast and loose. The world agrees upon because it also says that. She's touched the world with her haunting vocal style and quality yet. No you haven't no one. You did one. Yeah with one song. A war doesn't break out and somebody says hey. Hey hey remember. Shirley got to come on at least charlene's in the world. There's never been a street fight where someone stops it says. Hey lady you lady you're right. We're on page with a switchblade. I can't kill knowing. The cheerleading exists in the world would be disappointed in me and the The songwriters were actually Two men Who had a decent amount of hits together. They wrote the song. If i could which was a big hit for forgotten saying i know. Obviously it's huge barbra streisand recorded. It got someone had a hit with it. I forgot who it was. They one of them wrote two less lonely people in the world. The air supply Plastic that's a great song that's on classic and to me but in my life. Yeah the stevie wonder song. Yeah i will say this about to us. Lonely people in the world grammatically incorrect to fewer lonely. Because of its two less lonely people. It means that they are less lonely. Yeah no wait it. Doesn't it means yeah wait for you. It means that they're less lonely so they're not there. There aren't fewer lonely people right there. Just two people who are a little less lonely than they were. They're still lonely ice just ten minutes. Just like charlene is still subtly we also of ron miller. One of the writers wrote someday at christmas and other stevie wonder songs so they're they're pals with stevie wonder there like they had to cash in their chips. When listen you gotta do this song with trump on us really not. Stop calling us to do another stevie. Please her once in your life. What you did there all right. That was worth a record. That was fun and so they disliked him into the studio. He didn't go. Oh horrible throwing guy you don't mess with stevie one joke and say the head on i think and also when they re released the song in nineteen eighty two It was from her album. I've never been to me home. God l. charlene's shoes. She loves the song and you know what soda y. Here's the thing she's got one thing she's riding that tony you got to georgia and if the one thing you have is i've never been to me. Yeah go of it. It's fantastic now. All right all right. We'll take a quick break when we come back and talk about the lessons. We learn from this arm with us. Failing anti-social you can always follow the story on podcast on social media. Follow us on. Twitter at story underscores song like facebook at facebook dot com slash. The story song podcast. If you're still feeling antisocial you should probably see a doctor before someone. Science lessons learned. There's a lot of lessons lotto lessons to be learned from this is the song itself is just one big lesson. We'll just as many little lessons. We'll just we'll just pick one. Rachel would he got Well as the female perspective on on this I've learned a very important lesson. Which is if you are walking and somebody says. Hey heap walking. Do not turn around walk faster and just a even if they say you lady no no. It doesn't matter whatever you dropped you can be replaced. But you're going to have the worst conversation of your life if you turn around and lock is assuming you just always assumed that you ladies another lady please. Now i didn't think you're talking to this lady ladies and bring mace everywhere or a mace young talks to you just made them. You can't take tax. You can't michael. I learned That if you are a woman Always have A very keen awareness of what you are and what you aren't supposed soc- because there are some things that you ain't supposed to see and if you do see those things you ain't supposed to see your hor yet and you don't wanna be a whore subtle and unsubtle you're supposed to be a lady. Yes yeah hey lady. I many sweaty man tape probably thing women. I think probably. I'm just trying to think of the things that she wasn't. She saw thanks. She wasn't supposed to say. I don't know the printed word books the husbands The husband's bank account. Just only the phone bill your anything on the internet. That isn't pinterest. What did you learn from this amazing journey of story. I mean there's a lot of places you can go in life but there's no place like georgia they're out the rolling hills the the beaches Really it really is. It's definitely almost as exotic as california but not definitely not just a place to drive through to get to florida. Definitely an amazing fantastic. All right well thank you so much. Democratic michael gazelle next week with another story so but not one as good as this one Nothing will ever be as good as you're listening. We'll talk to you next week. good bye bye. we're back. I will say at the end here. I just wanted to point out. We talk about how charlene is is being pulled out of the supermarket wherever she and being and being put in the back of a police car and she saying you know i i've never been to paradise or i'm sorry i've been paradise but i've never been to me and Joe guy remembered for eight years was michael as the cop. Saying while you're going to prison is where you always like that one. Also i think with all of these Always talk about the sound quality We were just meaner back then. I don't know i don't what to. Yeah we listen to me like you know. You're talking about the part where rachel hates on walmart brand yogurt i own i was with particular badges. The only thing. I want to say to. My pastel is like chill. I would i was just. I was super mean darling and look. I think she's actually probably kind of a lunatic however good on her character's great yeah great You know what. I mean to charlene. Charlene yeah yeah. That's true we all grow. And that's where we're at little more kindness. Yeah so all right well again. That was a classic episode. Classic song classics episode. One of the biggies. Yeah and we always talk about that. We like a. We can't believe that we haven't done episode on the song. I can't believe we haven't released. I've never been to me as a classic. Well here. we are happy. It's finally happened and star. It's it's just as exciting as i thought it would be. Twenty twenty one on the right foot so what. We hope you guys enjoyed that. Classic episode comeback next time for For a new episode And we will talk to you then so. I'm dan macaroni. I'm rachel oakes. Anna michael gazelle. Thank you for listening. 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Community Learning Through Design E464

Topgold Audio Clips

08:50 min | 2 years ago

Community Learning Through Design E464

"The episode for six for i-it's burbach gum and climate county tipperary ireland talking about mike von melle. It'll be a hashtag take my clonmel and it reflects community learning through design. It's a project that i'm working with a group of students their transition your students in secondary school in clonmel and what the teacher's trying to tie together some design thinking frameworks along with production process that has a the young students connect collaborate and share a variety of different ways line some of these elements of collaboration and i made a sway way. I'll put it in the show that the i._t. Y short link and called my clonmel sways or one with the number zero one on as part of the u._r._l. Some elements of thinking here that makes us connect together. The first element is computational comfortable. I'm david thinking you know thinking a way where you can express the problem. You want to solve things you have to execute programs or logic pattern that you have to execute execute this borrows from pedagogy in side of the level eight award that we have on the campus where teach it's called computing and computational thinking and and several of the teachers that i've encountered over the summer who've been able to teach work skills real lives skills social skills and and technology skills to students they. I understand how this works. The second major elements probably the biggest thing we live in g._d._p. Our environment and i think a lot of students need to know privacies and essential think i think they give it up in a friction this world in which they live their tribes sort of demanded well. There is an element of privacy foundation element of privacy. Let's see that weaves its way throughout the program where the hashtag conglomeration called. My clonmel will learn about that. I teach eh show how a phone shares information and use some examples from case studies to let young fourteen to sixteen year old students know hey. There's stuff you might be sharing that. You don't even know about yet. There are some things you can analyze and share in this group effort that will make the project michael. John mail come together nicely the third element in these ten elements of <hes> the collaboration sharing itself. It's a trusted collaborative collaborative process that will use these are groups of students who know each other face to face they go to the same school together and electronic connect in into sharing their their work. What i know from the past is if you're on a system like instagram. You like seeing people who visit your stuff like yourself. Maybe comment on our share your stuff that kind of engagement behind the scenes can actually start and sustain an initiative and i'm hoping that that's what happens. I actually think that there are really easily. Searchable tribes of people who are inside a different clusters of instagram instagram. They just collect coagulate around hashtags. They like seeing things are informed their judgment and sure enough for young girl would be like hair or nail l. styles or a fashion sense that you can inform by seeing how a piece of clothing looks and someone else or what a different color scheme and someone's hair does to their fashion russian sense so it's important to collaborate. It's important to share in that in in this kind of dynamic community and moose importantly though so they're going down awesome rabbit hole. We're spending too much time in hashtag cluster that doesn't pertain to michael mel. It's important to know that there's a workflow that you should be part heart of so in my particular case raskin people to share where they go and what they like to do inside the town climate and what they're going to learn also is to share places that they don't go to. Maybe no go zones. Perhaps her derelict. Maybe there's not enough light in an area. Maybe it's just not their thing so we're going to discern that determined that document that in a flow of activity at the students share using local using thicker photo stream using comments that they make on on speaker and images or videos clips they share on instagram a harvest law this stuff on one drive. That's is an asset that the students have on the presentation secondary school campus though also use some guidance in classroom one note. We just set up already because they know what they're doing. Alan on presentation <hes> secondary schools campus element five the fifth element of ten is the art of noticing. It's a book by rub walker. He has a hundred and thirty one prompts in it will only do about fifteen of those prompts and moving asking students to kinda die in to what the prompt is and interact back with the building or the street or then you or the cluster that they're determining is a point of interest discovery point in their in your program in their view of their town mike clientele the sixth tenths element is called audience storytelling. We've done this before. We use speaker studio in fact. That's what i'm using right now to talk about. How this program is all set up. I think mobile audio nag no taking the speaker studio is native to award a lot of students want to do. We did it successfully last year. We do it with the youth media team y. M. t. dot f._m. Workflow those students have their case studies improving. The capabilities students have shown by email to bind being able to just simply pick up a thumb without even using any special migra film talks doc through show notes or an outline of thoughts and bang. You've got a really clever way of using your voice and developing story. That's compelling that supports the theme of my clonmel seventh major element is green screen some of the work that students do we'll be end up being projected behind them as they i stand in front of a green screen the pop up green screen that we have on my digital campus war. It might be the green wall. That's paid in the library at the school. The home campus at the presentation secondary school or it might be the pop up screen. That's used in clem library or in the custom development center. The element goes republic tiberi f._m. Tip tip today is show. That's been very favorable to uh-huh community. Dynamics like this so is element nine to bury lie. That's nationalist local paper but it takes some content in have grandparents and the older generation in ration- interacting by reading. Perhaps participating in a series of workshops held the clinton library on the third or the fourth wednesday each month gathering getting these comments in getting these concepts done in a nutshell if all these elements come together and the collaboration russian hits to a high note when sharing how he did it at a teacher's conference conference. It's called the education conference. It's helping thoroughness contemporary ireland airland hashtag i._c._t. E._d._u. all right. I'm hashtag in this kind of work that i'm doing as my clonmel surprisingly there is a my clonmel. That's been used this wall in two different ways one with regard to a scrapbook of digital information that is harvested from headstones so it's cemetery records what's the other one is a woman a single instance of a woman who is proud of her fashion sense. She might she might meld that image as easily discoverable on google soon within a few weeks micron mel should be maybe images students take like the climate guard just cover art for this episode. Bob images are important places. You go are important your town anarchists mike lindell's important and why think this'll be really fun little project object we can do in summary my name's bernie globeop. I'm a creative media lecture and the climate of the campus but it's under the dylan go back has has worked with green screens and work with audio storytelling before he's too young to be in transition year but the target students we have the fourteen to sixteen year old soon as we have will do really well. It's program. I know they will be done similar programs of this in the past follow hashtag michael hill on good social networks catch up with me tuck gold you wanna use that avatar or that handle on other places worth reading and listening to talk to you next week bye for now.

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Covid one year later

Jiu-Jiteiros C2C

1:02:37 hr | 4 months ago

Covid one year later

"This is the motivation. Hey everybody welcome into another episode of those close to the podcast. That's what's important on and off the mats and tonight i'm joined by my boys. Adm ponsa what's going on playboy's a thanks for having me again guys. I love doing the podcasts. I love talking to you guys so thanks for having me man yeah man gorse a this is a founder and i'm happy to be back with juju theros. I hope you guys out there listening because we enjoy to shit out so can wait for another episode thank slot. How're you doing. frank. Hamdan good man. You know we kinda hit a an anniversary that we we didn't expect or we're never prepared for it. It's kind of weird you know so. I'm talking about the one year anniversary of the covid lockdown man as we were recording. This were coming up on march seventeenth and march seventeenth. I remember because on my board in my classroom. That was the last day we actually have a regular class like that was the last day i changed the agenda on my board and so i've had that there ever since and it's just a constant reminder of you know like a what actually happened. It was just so weird. You know guys. Think god. I i was watching a a sacramento kings game on tv and right before tip off. They went to commercial and when they came back they said the gains been canceled due to covid. Nineteen right before literally right before tip off in bab so i went and i studied it and i checked out videos of afoul she and He was predicting that it. This was another spanish liu. So that that's spooked. Fuck me while. Eddie ad no fewer also remember like this had gotten an onslaught like late december january so we had a the world had been have known about this for a couple of months right and i. Don't you remember a win. Three monkeys had that little tap house and guy or the beers his name was leon. I think leon yeah. Yeah yeah. I remember in china now right and that and that guy and did it move into china so i will. We've we've follow him on. Follow him on instagram. And he was like telling us what was going down. you know. He's like everyone's wearing masks. They're asking us to stay home You're not supposed to go out and and He he he showed us. You know videos of of things that will grow up. That were that were happening over there. At the time they were treating it. Like i remember. I saw one video. And i felt it was like a life to video because there were drones chasing people making sure that they weren't coming out dude. What what's the headphones can say what time period was a sad like was it like january was semper. Yeah this was like late december. He laid december he. They went into a lockdown guy. There was there's videos of drones chasing people that were outside so these jones would just dry flight fly through neighborhoods looking for people not wearing masks and if they saw you not wearing a mask it would tell you a get your ass inside the house and go get a mask. Otherwise we're gonna send the cox and there was even bdu's a piece of the cops dragging people out and taking them to the hospital because they were corner. All right so frank you were. You were telling. Why did i get drones telling people to get back in their fucking houses. They ain't got no masks or the cops were dragging people out and taking them. Yeah so yeah is more quarantining anymore following the rules. Yeah yeah. I don't know if you remember seeing these videos eddie but He was sharing it for a while and then he just disappeared and then when she got back to normal for them like april or may then he went back up and he started sharing more stuff. But it's just crazy time. You know what i mean. So i i saw those videos right. I saw some of those being shared on social media. People show them to me back in like january february. Like i don't know like i saw them and i'm like this can't be real. You know what. I'm saying like this can't be real like either. This is from some completely different like if really for real was happening but something different like different video different time or it might just be a scripted. Bang like it was a movie. You know something like that. Some low budget type of stuff. But i just couldn't get myself to think it was real and and i remember like news van money that it would be I mean they got this shit under. I mean that's where that's where the whole thing started and that was like i mean that's what everybody should have done. Yeah yeah here's the here's your here's a reason. Why in the like what. I kept on thinking dude. It in in the tempt social media things that are like sometimes blown way out of proportion and the media tends to do this kinda shit all the time. I remember like with the swine flu. H one n one. Avian flu all that stuff. Like not to say. Those things weren't dangerous because they were at after time right. There was a lot of things going on but the media. Hype those things up so much that at some point you just you just kind of become like a little desensitized i think. And that's what was happening to me with this time around. I'm like you know what is one of those times. Yeah it's it's serious. We should take seriously stay precautions but at the same time. I didn't think it was going to be what it was. You know i'm thinking it's going to blow over just site the h. One virus or any other things that you know what i'm saying i didn't think it was gonna be gad i didn't i didn't really pay attention to what the what the media was saying. Because the media is like a chicken with their head cut off the the reason i started freaking out about about this was because scientists were freaking out about it. Doctors were really freaking out about the swine flu or or the other ones. They were cautioning us. They were mentioning it but it was nothing like this. It was super unprecedented. And cdc the who was all over this and so when they started saint saint things that wasn't matching. That was even more amped up than what the media was saying. That's when i really started paying attention you know. I mean whether china did it. Yeah or they know. I was going to say also the rolling stone except when they were worried as well along with the who so this this something real. Yeah yeah well. I'm talking from those bands. What was set for like. Oh shit rolling stones on this you gotta get on a do franken. I we were like we just started telling jokes at open mic nights like we were like what like three weeks in frank you just. We do like the days before we had done a show. We show like an ape four and then the next day they're like shut it down. We're like what the hell we were just signed the next week and we were talking about like taking advantage of the cheap flights that that that the when we were at chico's Doing open mic and we were like excited like man we're going to go to plateau for thirty nine dollars round trip. Nothing stopping us than sessa. Enter the cdc go nowheres dude. You know what got him. I well the oh shit moment. You know what i'm saying where i thought. Oh fuck. This is different. You know like the ocean moment for me was when i walked into the grocery store like on a weekend right. Let's just give regular groceries regular ass groceries. You know what i'm saying so you'll say yes. I'm speical. Jake is good. You know it you know you know it But dude like gallagher sour. That i just them for the 'cause i gotta put other. She didn't app but saad side another step in their girthy. Coalition whatever funds. Oh shut up anyways you you walk into a grocery store and all the sheet has gone like buck in what i'm saying like i i went in there or movie. Shit man dude. Yeah for real. That's right those like what the fuck is happening. Do like there was like there was like like produce like hell is scarce like like. You had like like a few tomatoes. You had like a few onions on the shelf. Buck is going on right. You go over. There's no fucking soap. There's no bleach in lake. I go in to get like chicken. There's no chicken at all you know. Cutlets no fucking quarters no holds in. Only what the fuck and i'm looking around dude. I need to make some for you know for dinner for the week. Dude i just ended up getting some random ass fuck and proceeds just because like. There's nothing on the shelves and i'm not talking about like a small little mom and pop puck and little grocery store done by waco saying big ask grocery store where they will get shit. And i'm like what the fuck is going on and i see people walking out with like tons of told his paper in a fuck of these motherfuckers during the toilet paper. You know what. I'm saying like that was my ocean. This this is chris this yeah i i realize like okay. That's why other countries ration a shit like this like we. We need rations. 'cause people do desperate everybody. Yeah people panicked man and it was weird man. It felt like. I mean the only thing i could compare in my life to this was like the day nine eleven and the day after nine eleven. I don't know if you remember eddie. I was in college when that happened. And it was just like there. Were no planes in the air. There's nobody out on the streets. Everybody who just went straight home and that was kinda like this man. I mean i live. I'm on the way up to yosemite and do you wrote a bike. 'cause there was nobody. There is nobody at the gas stations. There's nobody outside there. Were no planes. It was like i was like do. We even have electricity right now. 'cause it was just i was just weird man. I just knew. I remember every week. But i tried not to freak out because okay. I'm sorry what do you remember about that day about nine eleven or both. You know what i mean like. Could you compare those two would you have. What is there anything else that you can remember in your life that compared to that data everything got shut down Even with with nine. Eleven i still went to work I i really. I knew that the attack on the On the twin towers will it was more of an attack on on western culture and capitalism. I i knew. I couldn't catch a disease from two buildings in new york. Going down w can catch on from what you were doing for your day. Job with covid. You can catch a saga about. I was talking to you. Working at a gold diggers. Yeah but i was too. I was exposed to them. So the only one who cleaned the bathroom without i use the same op waters and earlier in the week. Those were my two years. Not just with when when Would fucked with me the most with again when he said This is to be quick to the spanish flu and At the time two million people died of the spanish flu and what was like the population in the united states. Like maybe eighty million people. So that's one in every forty. That's a big joe. People died from spanish flu. And i was like fuck man. One in every forty years I so i was more of extra careful man and Yeah yeah. I were mask. I were gloves when i went to work. I just came straight back home I isolated. I would say until about mid june. You know so it. It did cause a lot of diet for me. You know had been inside all the time and not having Being able to hang out with friends or family outside of my wife and my kid you know and at the time. My dad wasn't wearing a mask. He was seen all his friends. He just didn't give a fuck. So that's what i want to ask next like what. What were your frustrations at that time. Did you guys were you guys frustrated or were you more like anxious about what was going on with the whole deal. You just said your dad wasn't wearing a mask. He was hanging out and he just was going about business as usual. Didn't care no. This killer disease was out. This killer sickness was out there What did you think how did that make you feel well. I was just like You can stay with me or you can stay with my sister and my dad was like fuck that i wanna party. He molly know what he's still you know. He never caught it man like his made. Had it wasn't wearing a mask. She sneezed on him twice. And yes still leading pops l. A tough mandy. Probably just back in is immunity sustained seen enough. He's man this ain't shit will. Yeah and he exercises he at sal it at least once a day he takes all his multi so maybe that had something to do with it too or could be as blood type but yeah before any of that information was coming out i was like ow and this might be the last time i see my dad but look at it pops on this show suggests we don't know call it. Edward contraire. his show guides staidness michael hill. He'll just yeah he'll start Citing poetry and won't sit in my biggest. Our episode was just worrying about my dad. Yeah yeah for sure man man. I don't know man for me was weird. You know because i've ever wanted. I like my job. Like i was like all right. Got shutting down right like you know like everybody's working from home so you know my students went home. I went home. And we're like okay. So i guess we're starting to rome so it was kind of weird getting used to this and then at first it was cool. I thought it was fine on my guy. It you know we're gonna do this for a little while and they is better than we're gonna go back to normal. I definitely knew it wasn't going to happen two weeks right because that's initially was only two week. Lockdown involve lock my. What the fuck is going to happen. Until he's like what's really going to happen in two weeks like nothing so i knew it was gonna be longer than that but i definitely didn't expect it to last long. Did or as long as it has. Because it's still not over you know and at first it was. It was fine. i just kept thinking soggy. Follow follow these rules right as long as we continue doing. We're doing we'll get out of it. You know and yeah. My parents were worried but at the same time. It's like i can talk to him. We can facetime you know like is one of the things that i did end up doing lotto sake. I started compulsively like like washing my hands all the time i i normally ask my hands all the time anyway so like i'm one of those people just constantly washes their hands but when i started it was just even even worse. It makes the point where my hands are bleeding from so many so much like you know they were dry. Spock and like my knuckles of bleed because how. How often would wash my hands. So that was kinda getting low worrisome for me. That's kinda rose goalie shit. This is this is not normal. Like i'm not acting normal like i'm you know. And that that definitely brought a run on some exciting in s thinkprogress after a few months. Just as does start getting you. You can't go out to have a drink. You can't go out to meet your friends and i it's you know. Well i think it's fair to say that all three of us here pretty social right. We we are very social. People will have our culture and when you can't be around people at least for me it's like yes. I started to get rule anxious and ansi like i. I needed to be out you know. Yeah so it's kinda messed up. I mean after a while you kind of start learning to to deal with a little bit better and definitely i. I gotta tell you. Frank one of the things that made it made it better. Is doing this podcast. I'm saying starting podcast with you for sure and everybody. That definitely made it a lot easier to get through this whole thing. So what was your experience. I mean i will. I mean you know me i ever. Since i moved out of the out of town you know young. I'm like twenty minutes away. From where i was before forty minutes away but sometime but that's drive man. You know at so for a while. I really haven't been seen everybody as often as i as. I was in the past so not seen everybody i was able to do. I was okay with that for a little while after. Why just started getting mad. Because i thought that this was going to last for a couple of months i was like okay you know. We're we're starting this lockdown in march by april or may we'll be back we'll be back and we'll probably have to wear masks but we'll be we'll be able to hang out we'll be able to go out and then march and april came and it was getting worse. It wasn't even getting better. You know and april past. May past. June past july past july was coming up you know and we weren't able to see anybody and I had the itch still from one and beyond stage and tell stories. I wanted to hang out with my friends and so we started brainstorming. All of us you me because in an eddie you know we started throwing ideas around in and we came up with this idea for this show and really it was for us so that way we can hang out in bullshit and mess around but man's we started this. I feel like we've gone. Our close friends have been have become even closer. You know but the podcast aside. I was frustrated as fuck. And i still am. Because there's a lot of. I don't wanna see like peop- i don't want to call people names but people are just willing to listen to whoever without even asking for facts are associated so i'm just gonna believe it so and so said this so i'm just gonna listen to that and i feel like it's because of the people that we were around that we've been in this situation for so long. I mean we have so many freedoms you have the right to do whatever you want in this country. You aren't go shoot a bottle rocket up your ass. Go for it. You can do it. You want to live on the hill. You wanna leave by the ocean. You want sports car. You wanna ride your motorcycle with no helmet on. There's places where you can do all that stuff but wearing a mask. That was just too much for too. Many people and a lot of people didn't even believe that this thing was that cova was even real for the simple fact that they were just there weren't even good at math. You know they realize percent at a scam. Dimic like yeah. Yeah it was a perfect storm. This cove thing and it was an election year and some people may or may not have taken advantage of and push their own agenda on top of this and that surely didn't help. I believe and we needed a lot of people to step up and some people dropped the ball. You know and you could try to talk to people about it. But if they weren't open to what you were saying it just you couldn't have those those lines of communication and i'm gonna tell you guys i live up in the foothills. There's not. I didn't realize there were so many doctors and scientists that lived in my community because everybody knew about this. I'm kidding bullshit. They didn't know shit about shit for a long time. People were going about their business wearing masks. Doing whatever going into the stores. You know what i'm doing their own thing and i didn't really care just like i said before. This is a free country. You can do what you want. I wore a mask from day. One i still wear a mask. And i got both jot so same here. I kind of feel like we're we're we're so deep in this now that people are just forced to have in a wear the mask but there's still a lot of people out there that don't you know what do you guys think about. I mean i don't wanna get into that. I don't want but are well i mean speak on. What do you have to say about that. What do you think about people that were saying coming up. I'm not gonna say excuses but they're coming up with these reasons for why they shouldn't wear a mask. Most i would say a good a good majority where trump supporters and Trump was saying not to wear where amiss and he's become a cult of personality for anything trump said they just followed verbatim they When he was campaigning he said i could shoot somebody in the middle of fifth avenue new york and they would still vote for me and he killed like around election time over. Four hundred thousand. Americans died from corona virus. And but seventy eight million people voted for that guy mask. And no mask. If you didn't wear a mask your pro pro-trump pro freedom in their minds. I it's bullshit but if he wore a mask you were pro science in anti religion and anti america and So that's where people stood. I had a half full of people stare at. I had a handful of people up. Here stare at me when i would wear a mask and shake their heads you know. Just been he. Here's his here's like it's so weird man. It's so weird. Adapt guide symbol did that. It became such a symbol. I'm saying like that's such a weird symbol to you know because it's it's dude as public health. You know what. I'm saying like it's a piece of cloth. It's yeah it's like it's nothing you know what i'm saying it's it's really nothing. It's the least you can do for your public health. You know i. It's it's i mean it's a minor inconvenience it really what it is. It's a minor inconvenience that wearing the mask thing. It reminded me of what someone said a long time ago. They said Go look at a grocery store. Parking lot and st Shopping carts just spread throughout the parking lot. Instead of being put back back so you put it back because that's the right thing to do. You know it keeps things in order it makes it easy for the next person and whatnot says a lot about your care and we're not people get people just leave it all over the place you know what i mean and then someone else has to go out there and collect them and and well you know whatever it is what it is. It's basically it's just a simple task and you can't even do that. Why would some people go beyond that you know. And that's what reminded me of. It's like it was such a small thing would have been so much. Could have saved sony people but we just didn't want to didn't want to listen and it. It made me sad. Yeah the analogy. I would use on. Anti massacres is It's like being upset that you can't look at your cell phone while driving. That's not taking away your freedom that's asking you to learn what do you mean. I can't get drunk. Crashing to chucky cheese. You're infringing on my rights. Like no that's crushing chucky cheese drunk as an infringing on your rights. You're harming others so it. Yeah i was talking to somebody and they were. I was talking to somebody about the lockdowns and they were outraged that in their county they couldn't go out for a drink and they were even more outraged that they had to drive two counties away to go get that drink shit they were like. Isn't that crazy. And i was like hell. Yeah that's hella crazy and they're like yeah. I can't even get a drink in my own county. And i was like no all. Why the fuck are you driving to counties. They have a drink drinking your house. That's why people are dropping ten all over the place. It was just people's. I don't know man could would just inconsiderate against. I'll tell you what man might might hold water. Definitely got an upgrade during this lockdown. All right well. That's a positive thing you know. What about so. I mean we can complain till the sun comes up about what people should did it. Do and what people should have done and whatnot but what about. What are some positives that came out of this funds. So you said that you would. You really enjoyed that. We started this podcast. What are some other things that that you guys yourselves val yourself doing during this time. Eddie would anything in particular I just started meditating more and started working more on some of the character flaws that i have Just being kind to myself Been kind kind of others Impatient with others and being patient with myself being patient with life Just i try to become a better person and better to two men. Fellow men and woman Guy just i exercised ally during that time I didn't i didn't go to retire. Jujitsu i did do. I did do a lot of hiking. A lot of trails around town. So i got to discover other places and yet just just got to grow overall as a person. I feel during a lockdown and time that i spent with luisa and francis was invaluable so yeah throughout the lockdown was actually some of the best best moments of my life you know because i had to look inward because there was nowhere else to go can go to work. Go to practice. I do like check in with myself. And see what i needed. Emotionally spiritually psychologically. Physically you know if that makes any sense gatt totally man good you. What about you funds. Oh well i mean besides podcast. You know the funny thing is like when when the lockdown i started ahead a lot more time on my hands right like a my job was relatively easy like super just what i did got out of decent time tons of time for myself so you know i started drawing a little bit had done over the years awesome. Yeah i had a heavy bag at home. I started using that bike. Brides things like that. Just keep active Started reading again just stuff. Like i haven't had a chance to read a novel on forever So start doing things like that But you know as like as a summer kinda ended up being like coming going. I i got another job and that changed my whole life my whole lifestyle because now i didn't have time. I didn't have all this extra time that they used to have so i kind of ever since the end of last year. Now i just been busy dude. So i haven't really had a chance to do anything all think. It would have a difference if there was a lockdown or not a lifestyle now is pretty much what it would have been whether or not. There's lockout so the past six months or so. I don't think there's much change. Like i. Just i've been it's been all about my career in school and then you know just kind of getting through and so but for those first six months or so. Yeah it did provide me with a lot of good opportunities and you know to kind of think of where i want to go in my life so loving reflect a lot more. You know what i'm saying. And i think maybe that's where at will you know. That's why i am a now. Like i just moved recently. Actually the plus moving in. I think that's kinda love to think about these kinds of things. Because otherwise i don't think i would add the time to think about all these different things so it kinda like mainly focus in really. Think about where one of my left to go. Yeah i think we're we're we're tugboats man. We're not built for for the call. See where we're built for the storms and all three of us feel thrive during that time. Like a tugboat would turn the storm or you l. Will you know what that's an awesome point that you brought up because somebody was asking me at work. They're like hey man howard. Your friends like going through this. There's a lot of people that are just. They're not doing well. And i'm like are you serious. I'm like you know what. I don't know man i'm like my friends are kicking ass. My friends are like everyone has so many things going on in their lives. That don't revolve us that. We just keep like like you said. We're like a tugboat man. We just keep going and going and when we see each other that's when we see each other we celebrate those times We weren't really too worried about a man. It's been six months since. I haven't i haven't seen You know we just you. Don't worry about stuff like that because you know we're always gonna be there. I don't know if that's if that's the reasoning why But i we checked in on each other constantly throughout. And i never felt like anybody was in a spot where where they needed some extra help. Even though it was always there and we all like i said we all we all knew we all knew that we all know that we can always rely on each other just by the history that we have with each other. You know gosh but yeah that was just something interesting that i'm glad i'm glad that you brought up eighty You know when when this thing hol. When this whole lockdown started. I started working from home just like funds and i just got a crapload of yard work done. You know that whole most of the time. If i didn't have zoo meeting house outside chopping weeds kills i got. I got all my stuff. Yeah you know it dude. I gotta lot chewing on a piece at an extra pair who has a strong start. Now full awareness. I'm wearing a squirrel. Hand like david crockett at school. But it's got four squirrel tails. Don't worry i'm working. I'm working for you guys. That's a symbol of wealth. Of course but i'm gonna put a bunch of squirrel butthole all around third. We're worrying to the usc. Cool for all right. Yes can i. Can i interject some good good So dana why when he when he started a the ufc backup again he was gonna go to a tachi palace holding events. I step down. Yeah again So he stepped down but he's still said Iota tachi palace big time and they're going to get a huge paper view card so when that happens all three of us go yeah. Where's he at. Where's uncle dana fucked. That guy. no no once he says wants things open up. Big pay per view. Cards touchy palace. Yeah see blurred. He said when. I see it so i believe we need to be in the front row over when he told us van was come in three ten years later. All right hedy tell us wenfu so so you some bring along with doing all that all that extra yard work that all. Yeah i mean. Vina's the yard work in being catching up on that. And another thing. That i was able to do was just like you said. I've got to read a lot. And i read one book that in particular colleges like gave me a kick in the ass and then i kinda needed you know and that was i upset it. Multiple times man was jensen cerro. You are bad ass. And i mean maybe it really wasn't so much what she said but i mean i kinda was everything that. She said that she said that. Just made me like you know what if you feel like doing that. And that's what you wanna do. Go fucking do who fucking cares and that got me to like start writing. I started writing stories that got me reading started. I mean i've always listen to podcast. So then i started thinking about the podcast ideas and then i started reading about how to edit and i started reading about how the script and i started reading about had a do screenplays because i wanted to do cartoons in. I just have all this extra time and instead of just sitting around my ass playing video games or what doing yard work. I just started trying to teach myself as many things as i could. And i learned i learned a boatload of stuff man i learned a boatload of stuff and i got to meet online at least virtually all these different creators that create all this different type of content that that we've been using voice overs or covers or t shirt designs or fucking the cartoon man. I mean i've always loved cartoons. And i mean how. I don't know we'll see that three or four now funds. Oh yeah we have four. That's awesome man. Yeah now it's that was just always something like on my on. My bucket that i wanted to do was just create stuff in and again the the i had the chance the opportunity to teach myself as many things as i could and now that things are kinda started slowly to go back to normal. I don't have the time to teach minds all those things. But you know what i do have enough time for. I have enough time to like all now. I know how to edit video. So now i just need to learn how to add text. Oh now i just need to learn how to add this graphic here or blend this or cut that you know and even phones are taught me a boatload of stuff on how to audio because when we first started this show they were awful. You can go back. Listen to the first time. But i'm glad that i got to. I cannot you're being too kind. You know what i mean but it was a steep learning curve you know and and as the episode went on i felt they better and still getting better at this. You know and i i mean just that time allowed me to get all these ideas out and make me realize whether people are listening it or not. I feel proud. I can get that. I got these things going. And and i'm still a little scared to to throw the stuff out there because i'm worried about what people are going to say but i it's there so if people wanna say something say i don't even care you know i'm just gonna keep doing these things that i that i feel like doing because they're fun to me. You know. i hate to say that it was if it wasn't for covid i probably wouldn't have learned all those things you know so at least i was able to do to do that. You know i would trade it all back in a heartbeat to have all those people back. Have all those people back. Have i mean kids into get to go to school for almost a year dude. Kids didn't get go on vacations. See grandma and grandpa friends didn't get to hang out. People didn't get to go to weddings. People miss anniversaries. People missed so many events that were missed. Because of this whole situation. That i like i said i would snap my fingers and give it all back and start all over you know But don't have the infinity gauntlet to do that. So it's going to keep on chugging said man well here's the thing though man like yeah we're try right. Yeah for for every for every situation man like i mean. There's always a should've could've would've right like but i you find yourself then you kinda have to like think about well you know. What can they do here. What's within my power like my physical power to to make the best set of right like like you find yourself in all kinds of situations but it's up to all of us to figure out well how to make the best. How can they come out on top. You know from the situation or how can just to make it a little word for myself for people you know like you. You have a choice. Everybody's got a choice right like how are you going to react to something like the the reaction like you. Can't you can't control what happens but you can definitely control the reaction in. I think that makes a huge difference in the way jerk ultimately going to. You're going to be you know what you can do in. I think you you did the right thing here. Like you had the greatest reactions like you saw this as an opportunity for yourself now. You can't control everything else and yet shitty for a lot of people. But that's beyond your control in what i'm saying like you. You need to kind of look. Look at this as like well. I was able to do something with it And you're right man. Like i think any one of us here if we had the opportunity elliott's verse back time. Do something different like. Let's prevent all this shit from happening. Good that we came can only head and this was new for us to you know we. We've never experienced anything like this before. So yeah we're learning from it and It these are all lessons. We could apply to to future obstacles. You know things can help us thrive in the future so let's add top by training next. How's your training. i mean obviously. We couldn't train for a long time. I can just go to our gym. A respected chanson. Just regardless of what kind of stuff did you do. Did you have at home You know was it more of a mental training about watching videos and conscious than keeping your mind. Sharp was alec. This wants things peaked. That i really train a whole of tie and then i had surgery in october Once once we Peaked in in the Infection rates went down. I started going back to tie because There's not a whole lot of people People wear masks. It's done with the garage door open and So right now mainly trade once a week once we reach herd immunity out probably train more often. But i honestly didn't train a whole lot. And i've done zero ju jitsu j just because of kobe and injuries but So my i guess. I did more training outside. I i've been doing like i mentioned earlier. Lot of walks and hikes and I did a height with vons. Oh thousand fucking guy that was like close. That was close to eight miles. Hygeland long ban realize be that much. Yeah yeah there. It was But i got to test my knee and my mighty did fine so Yeah i've been just getting ready for the spartan race. I guess that's what. I'm that's what replacing jitsu is spartan race doing the spartan race training and the moon tie. That's it for me. What about you guys. what about you. Frank i-. I cleaned out the garage. And i was able to put my matt's down. And i had bought a a standing kick us standing bag maybe about six months before the shutdown So i just started doing a solo drills. That i found online i started following a cabrini started releasing a bunch of solo drills that i started doing Vic started doing jujitsu classes so he worked out some one on one drills. Yeah he started working on some one on one draws that we could use with the grappling dummy I didn't have a grappling dummy by grab a big ass teddy bear in the garage through my one of my old son and i started using that so It really was jujitsu to to get me by you know But it definitely took a hit with the with the regular jujitsu. You know There were times here there were somebody would say hey. I'm going to train in my garage. And you know kinda like speakeasy style jujitsu so every once in a while get to get a little roll in here or there but for the most part there was no jujitsu. There's no tournaments. There is no seminars. There is no hanging out with your friends. On the mats. There is no assayed. There is nothing man on so twenty twenty. Jujitsu scene was almost none. But you know what. There's a handful of people out there along with dana. Why know that that kept it going. You know fights wind put on a show They they got their their guys to quarantine somehow and they were able to put a lot of shows. They did a lot of pre-testing lot of post testing. They didn't let it. There were no spectators. They minimize the amount of people that each of fighter could bring with them and they were. They were running shows in texas in pennsylvania and florida. I want to say oklahoma. And then i wanna say like quarter now. Did they do. Oklahoma who's number one was also running a handful of shows that were spock in you gotta subscription of flow grappling. Go check out check out any other shows. I'm a big fan of. There's also a big fan of twins at daniel man said daniel think for keeping ju jitsu live during twenty twenty and then you know what even i. B j j. f. jumped on board and started doing some tournaments. I wanna sing like quarter three and quarter four again only in texas and florida. But that was as far as as much as jujitsu as i got. You know What about you were able to sneak in any training during the lockdown man. You know just like what you said you know like people garage here and there but like not much to be honest with like it's a little bit more like close contacts so i really didn't want to do it as much in then for you know like a been saying afternoon lot more standup than i have been doing. Ju jitsu for past like two years So for me. It was more like Like i said. I have a heavy bag in in my garage and then i have a heavy a double n. Bag so i was just doing a lot of that. You know just looking up different story on youtube or just different drills that i can run on those things and then you know going out running. I kind of like ron especially when add a stressful day. Like the one of the things that i that distresses me so like. Just go out run. Come back if heavy bag or the land bag just to get some much technique in and Yeah like that's kind of what. I did every once in a while just like couple times a couple of times in the summer of twenty twenty. I did go to a buddies garages. We got a couple of roles But you know recently. I had been doing moy tie training With my with my coach dodo. Shout out and But it was just most of the time he was him and i and it was just like one of those days where there was nobody else knew jim just to so ray with a khaki a good distance and then we would just work on every bag so we just run different girls who gave us it would give me a drill and he just had me drill it out a bunch of times and he would be there with me. So that's kinda will were doing. Just doing different drills on the heavy bag different drills with work like he brought out like you know the i what they're call. They're just like the the ladder. Put down on the on the ground in two. Different footwork drills. So yeah i'll you know a lot of that a lot of that kinda shit so that was really helpful because that's kind of stuff. I never did in a really helped dominance me especially when it came to light my foot work and you know if you guys know your fool work is like fucking like half of what up is if you're working right like you're not gonna have good speed. You're now going to have good. You're not gonna have to balance so that stuff that i never trained before a lot so that was kind of cool in especially because there was nobody else was just kind of like a one training but nice man. Yeah say that yeah. That was pretty cool so show yeah shadows because storrow right there man get some baby. Yeah all right well you know how about now that things are kind of. I mean eighty got back. Got both of shots i got. Why mom and dad got both of their shots. You know there you go. You're all you're halfway there funds fondue halfway there. I'm but as more and more of these vaccines allow. We're gonna start to give back to normal little by little and normal might be different than what normally used to be you know. I think we're probably still going to have to be wearing masks for a little while. But i don't care fuck man let me wear. I wear masks. Let me go back to hanging out having a beer with friends. Let me go get a pizza. Let me go to the movies you know. Let's just start getting back to normal. Let me go back to jitsu please. But moving forward what are you. What are your guys is goals wants and what you. What do you feel. You guys are going to do differently when we go back to normal. What do you see yourself doing going back to your normal routine pre covid or do you think your routine's going to change eddie. I'm jay spend less time on on facebook and social media more time focusing on the podcast. This podcast i. I love doing this with you guys Get more time with my daughter wartime with my wife. Just be kind of work on What's most important in than Just try to apply myself more in the things that i enjoy doing. Better positives you know. What are some goals that you want to work on I i just want to continue my Fitness journey in in Just just working on myself Self improvement i guess overall self-improvement But still Appreciate what i've done and appreciate what what others have done for me. You know i. I wanna move forward but every now and then stop and smell the roses. Just be grateful for everything that i had just become wiser. It's that's my yeah. Yeah man I agree with you there like it just for me. There's no going back you know there's no going back. You gotta be definitely got a new perspective. Or at least i do. I've got me perspective on on life and how things can change from one from one day to the next you know all of a sudden you're mind your business and then she just bugging gets uppercutted like a different you know and there's all kinds of life changing events happening people's like some of them. Are you know impact tons of people other ones might just impact you but either way man like the way look at it. It's like well you know what what's important to me. What do i wanna do you know. And what i wanna do now. My answer to that question is well. I gotta start doing more for myself. You know like For a long time sometimes you just kind of look at like other people in sometimes you gotta like work on yourself in a date night. I was to do that this year in an throughout last year. And then now. I can move over to think about. Well how can i make things better also not just for me but for those around like how what how. What can we bill collectively right. And that's what i think with this podcast as well. It's super cool because it's something that we can all bike together. We're all building this together. So it's it super cold to think about what lies ahead write with this and not just this but also other stuff man. Our friendship You know other people who we might meet or encounter like that kind of stuff is exciting. You know that to me. So i can't wait man. I can't wait in. I'm glad there were like things are getting better with with covid. Like i said like you said frank like the vaccine is coming out so hopefully things move faster in that front. You know we can kind of just put this behind us and focus on. What's ahead so i'm excited for for everything that's coming up. Yep same here man. But you frank i mean like you said man. There's no going back you know But what have i learned from all this you know. I think one of the things that i learned most about the lockdown was that i need to rely on myself more and so if i want to do something or if i need something then then it's up to me you know and so And and also learned to like just be in the moment and you know. I think eighty said that you know there's a lot there's a handful of time to her and i kind of started a freak out about not being able to do certain things and i just would talk my talk myself down you know and just realize that he you know what. Why are you tripping right. Now look at where you're at. There's nothing wrong with you. You're perfectly good health. You got food in the fridge. They're you got your job. Yeah you can't do x. y. z. But that's nothing compared to what some other people are going to right now and and also just to be appreciative. For what i have you know realize what's what's most important in that family you know and there is a lot of people that maybe i didn't know personally but i somehow had a connection to them and there's a lot of people that lost family members last year you know and Those people aren't gonna get to see those people anymore and That's part of the reason. Why one of my mom and dad to move in with me because you know what man these people and they're not gonna be here very long and we don't get them forever so when we do get to spend time with them we gotta be there with them and enjoy it and Try to create as many memories or increase the amount of time that we spend with each other instead of looking at our phones or plane crap. That's doing things that's worth. That's not really not really mean for. I mean not to say that playing games in social media doesn't isn't meaningful to some people. But i mean there's other things that are bigger out there and when we realized that the time has gone. You're gonna feel sorry that you let time slip through your hands. You know so. Goals wants need that. I want for the future. I just want to spend more time with my family man. I wanna spend more time with my family. And i learned that i like to create man. I dropped a shipper. I'm doodling all the time. And i'm writing all the time and i'm doing with my friends and we're all helping each other. Dr this tugboat. That eighty mentioned man. I'm still using it eddie. And where's this. Where's this tugboat gonna take to. I don't know man but we're all on it together. And i could not be happier to be on this ride with with you guys and half the people that are around me right now because I mean i don't know man. I'm just excited i'm happy i'm glad that things are slowly starting to get back to normal. I'm hopeful that ju jitsu will be normal and turnings will open up. And we'll get me even more awesome coaches more awesome. Jujitsu settles out there and and just create more awesome memories in and in the end. I hope that we all learned to be better people to each other. Whatever that means to you you know That's it thousand. Nice cherry on top rank. I just you. Nobody knows food fighting. That's what oh okay then. The links made a playlist. You are volume on volume to both lease. Can you get a say. He gets his ballyshannon working on. I only have so much time on my hand go you know. I didn't want to risk process. It's in the notebook hold on greatest wrote a book. It's gonna happen nice nice all right. Well that's a rapper. They show funds. Oh eddie you guys want to add before we sign out just a thank you guys for for having me on i. I love to podcast with you guys and to the listeners Thank you for tuning in. Yeah yeah the same thing man. Like i just like. I said i'm happy to be doing this. 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The Mariner's Revenge Song by The Decemberists

The Story Song Podcast

1:08:21 hr | 1 year ago

The Mariner's Revenge Song by The Decemberists

"Set Sail for a whale of Ital- this week on the story song. podcast you sen's hello. Everybody welcome back to the story song. PODCAST I'm Democrat. I'm Rachel Alex Michael Hill every ever so we walk through a story song this week. Pitcher has brought us a song that I haven't looked into too much but I believe it's about the Seattle Mariners. What they're up to? I think Ken Griffey. Junior is looking looking for revenge on something probably on his father. Evil Ken Griffey seat here. And Yeah. And it's by a ban that I if believed exclusively this Christmas songs. They are the December and it is the mariners revenge song. Yes is what we're doing so Rachel what you tell us. A little little bit was the song because I don't want to give away the ghost is it. Was Josh Not really getting story. Sorry about that afterward okay. Cool well get ready. This is an epic tale wrong. So this to start off with the whole story of this song takes place in in the belly of a whale that's where our narrator starts are narrators in the belly. Most songs do yes. Of course most people don't know that 'cause they cut it out this. This is the only song that tells you that it's taken like there's a lot of interviews. Were John Lennon. I just WANNA be clear. Every song I ever wrote takes takes place in the belly of a whale. Rarely mentioned always always always the Belleville right next to this is right in there. I am the Walrus. It couldn't be any clearer. A walrus was eaten by a well. This is all going. Jeez Louise Guys. You've been listening stand so anyway uh-huh this whale story Takes place in the belly of a whale our narrator Is there. He's a sailor. He's there with a captain of another ship now. The only two survivors drivers from being eaten by a whale and they must be so happy that they're together back together. They can find a way to get out well. One of the so The narrator tells the story that he knows this could see captain that when he was three years old. His widowed mother fell in in love with this eighteen year old man than than eighteen then eighteen year old man and she took him in but he turned out to be not so good. Yeah he was a Reagan aroused about as they say he turned out to be a gambler. A womaniser possibly gave her an TD. Mom I'm so she fell ill. The guy took off leaving all of his gambling debts behind the city comes takes away their home and they're left completely penniless. The mother gets more sick she dies and then the boy a four. She dies right before she dies. She sings I dreamed a dream. He's basically it is the first. Yeah it's it's basically her version of dream she. It says. Seek seek revenge avenge my death go find a go find him torture the torture them to death. Yeah so he's like okay so much else going on today. What made you so so he winds up living on the street moving the whaling? It could be something to do all right. I guess it was awesome. I'm three how do that now right. So he waits fifteen years living surgeon on the street and He finds work in a primary among the holy folk but that whole time. He's just sweeping going. Revenge revenge revenge. He over. Here's someone else talking about a cruel weller. CIA captain who matches the description of this man who basically ruined his mother's life So he joins a private hearing ship for the sole purpose of seeking revenge to hunt him down and after twenty minutes up twenty minutes the twenty minutes Song No after twenty months they finally find that whaling ship with the captain but just as. He's about to shoot him down. They both get eaten by a whale The which happens it happens. So you're like I was this close and then I got eaten by women and then he they're the only two that survive he talks. She talked to this man and says hey this is funny. You may not but that you're not gonNA believe this. This is so crazy but we have met before any basically slowly tells him you killed my mother. Today he basically tells them the whole host arena hearing right. He's a story to tell the story again. Thank Wisconsin says basically says has your back. Now you'll be the last words you're gonNA hear. And then we presume that he goes ahead and tortures the guy before he died. That's a great. I tower so great stories on podcasts. Thanks for the thanks for the first time we just tell the stories of. Let's listen to the song now are descriptions are usually longer than the actual songwriting time. Come to think of it. This is a terrible a bargain otherwise we are to Maroni's ship soul survivors either in this valley Abu the ribs are ceiling beans. It's guts are carpeting or I guess we have some time to kill. They may not remember me. I was a child three. And you will I. I will relate to you history. Let's start the now. Obviously I don't think we can go line by line because there's a very long song It's about eight and a half minutes long. Iva question disturb with I know it's in the Bible That's kind of where this comes in the Jona. Jonah in the whale yes Ryan so anytime you you you hear about someone stuck in a way. It's a vague allusion to that. Like Nokia for instance. But my question is how biologically sound is the idea that you could be inside of a whale and like be alive. I mean or the the are the stomach. Acids not like breaking down is. Are there places where you could be inside of a whale. Is this possible or is this pure fantasy man. I didn't think that I'd be able not marine biology here but I mean here we are finally worth it. I'M GONNA SAY NO NO GONNA die fairly quickly if you get if you're in the belly of a whale You might survive a couple of minutes. Sure terrible minute time where you can recall your entire relationship with a person and then richer them. Yeah and there's also a lot of like walking around and talking like they're painting the picture. Whales are big. Yeah this this seems like bigger than a New York City apartment right whale stomach situation. Sure they'd probably say it's probably nicer. Well listen he says this wheel's rent controlled so you can't let it go the thing about the Until yeah it's it's got its ups and downs. You're you're not going to have to worry about rent increases valid and you can go wherever you want because you're in the belly of a whale and he's constantly moving. Credit is constantly being being eaten away by acid but four hundred dollars a month so I mean this is like this. Was this location. Yeah Ah Yeah. This started. This location started in nineteen fifty. Seven console is really good. It's really really good. There's a Panara right downstairs. Yeah there's a starbucks across the street you gotta you gotTa take the train but other than that. It's a signed deal worth it. Yeah so do reiterate. Bad Parts G. train right below that body Down by stomach acid. Yeah Yeah I do my listen. My favorite thing about this song is is in the first line in the first line. That's where two mariners are so ship soul survivors in this belly of a whale. It's ribs or ceiling beams. Yeah it's guts or carpeting. Yeah Yeah we have some time to kill. He's like this'll do yeah. It's got good structure. It's it's got good bones literally to be able to to build from. We mentioned that yeah. The song is like many December songs has very flowery. Language Right Has A lot words. I noticed that you have a glossary in your right up has a couple of links to primary is a couple of other words that I was not after millionth but yeah December is set out to answer a question that no one ever asked which is what if rock and roll was invented in the Victorian era and dutifully answer that question done it again. No one asked it but I appreciate the fact that they saw through to the end so yeah so I just love that he talks about. He's figuring out okay. The ribs are ceiling beams. Nuts are carpet or carpeting. The front door uh-huh yeah the belly belly is the bay mud room. Let's figure this out here your ship if we put a sofa here we need the space right right. I mean the couches made that a whale blubber valley too. Well but I'll most was well blubber. Inflatable furniture was being a the man. That inflatable furniture fad. Because you just you just sparked a memory. Yeah what what a time in America alive because you could have furniture furniture That was incredibly uncomfortable. ACID- on and major your back extremely sweaty. It was not breathe at all. It was great and then We all had it for like nine months. We were really excited. I remember the first time I ever saw inflatable chair. I was like Oh the future is now. Everything's great to. Of course I did. Yeah they did. Yeah you shouldn't be able to buy your furniture at Spencer's gifts. So you need support you very quickly realize you need like back support chair the fact that it would just like forever leans back at the four over. You're not great. Yeah and then we remember always like every anywhere I was touching the chair. It'd be soaking wet because I was sweating like crazy sliding all over here but living room ever fell into the pool safe. That's actually a good point. Yeah it'd be like a flotation device. It's right but anyway I'm GonNa Watch this this episode of Crank Yankers. So let me sit on my inflatable chair. Our narrator sets up in this next part that he's basically going to monologue looked like a super villain where he says I'm going to relate to you how our histories Inter Inter we've if I was that captain I'd be like I'm sure I know you I talk about this later. Yes we're in the belly. Let's figure out ago the whale. Yeah Yeah Yeah Right now listen. He's had a rough day right for. He was eaten by a whale short. So not going well but is there anything worse than someone walking up to you and saying you don't remember me. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah you Eddie yes now reason no reason but I'm sorry I got to walk doc right over there nobody else drain say to you. Bring bring bring bring you gotTa answer that. We don't phones the votes in here. Yeah Tom over there. I should go talk to Remember four we decide if the eardrums for the phone will now it's ringing go answer it. Sh- shot off grise guys. I'm trying to watch crank yankers chair time to bad bad on. My way does seat him now building building. This is the point. Where everything dissolve does it dissolve into into the detail? So great use of the words. Rake in roused about He says at the time you were a rake in a roundabout spending all your money on the horse and hounds which means he volunteered an animal. Shelter Yes no good. And he meant horses courses that he must have meant horses. I like your way because I was afraid. WHO's having sex with dogs? Chris and Reagan aroused about that just means that he would rake leaves while listening to the Elvis Presley Song. I'm aroused about right right. What's aroused about? I thought about was like the guys in the circus. WHO lifted heavy things? You know who were like you like that was like a rouse about strongman else. It's not like the guy in the show. I mean like the guys putting up the tent. I think those aroused about but maybe it also has a you know a roughneck connotation Asian unskilled or semi skilled laborer especially in an oil field or refinery Circus worker who erects and dismantles tense cares for the grounds and handles animals and equipment immersing with no permanent home or regular occupation. See also so second and longshoremen thank you webster's thank you so much and a rake is like a womanizer and basically moral person so he was immoral and used the guidelines for. Did I read wrong into that. He Yeah Yeah well you know. He's a bad guy because he was picking on anything. He's just got big ears but he's a little baby eighty. Yeah Jeeze So at three years old our narrator knew this guy was a Reagan aroused. About Mom's first word was roused about his. I'm Camano about this guy. He's Rican roundabout but Mama falls in love it happens. She was grieving. Choose grieving she had a he had charming air. All cheap and debonair. My widowed mother found so sweet and took him in her sheets. Were still warm with him. Now how long has she would. I mean the sheets. It's are still warm back. Then you had to get in with the guy if you're a widowed or you're a a you know a single mother right wasn't like it's somebody I guess. Yeah you gotTa grab onto the first guy you can find so she probably you know she she said I mean he's probably been that long. Yeah the kids only three. So it's gotta be right less than three years. Yeah I mean it seems to me like it's a couple of months. Yeah because I mean he seems to know his father right at three so just saying no. She was taken very quickly. Look by this rake and rousted. Look Rachel you got to move on. You know it's true find find. I find the first tent erector. They went to the circus and she was like. That's a part of the story doesn't get into. I would like to hear about the circus. Uh Right Right. Don't think he worked at Barker. That doesn't work out well for anybody either. No no no carousels a musical Daniel Neil by rodgers and Hammerstein. Okay Anyway Sir. So but now her sheets now filled her she'd still warmoth him now. Filled with filth and found disease. You got to watch those sheets STA sheets I do. I mean you only have you. Probably only have the one pair air raid if she so no. I'm saying you gotTa Watch your laundry and having us your other sheets one together. The one bear right. I just know like in Scrooge when they're stealing his bedsheets when he's a ghost he's upset about it so that's all that's that's true they're like real money scrooge. I guess that's should. We're particularly if really Barner. Yeah Yeah jeeze sheets like get your pretty penny on the block. Your real good. Yeah Yeah I mean what would you throw out is but probably over eight hundred V gotta be yeah. Young emcees only got two hundred tried. Try to count the individual threat to free four five six seven and a half a lot thank you. Will you just curl up the pool of doing it wrong. Don't tell you how I like. Oh Man makes makes it easier to wake up as time we're on. You proved a debt. Ridden drunken mess. Leaving my mother a poor consumptive wretch ill first of all while. He's doesn't mean he had STD's and he was like diseased. I always thought consumption had something to do with like syphilis. But I think it's TB maybe but TV is not a sexually transmitted disease. Not The way I do well I feel like inception. It was always like you're sick and you're dying and we don't know why it was just a catchall term but I don't know if that's actually zoomed by some sort of like this medical article definition so we'll find out among very and webster so apparently it means pop up ad. Oh you can't buy the pro version. Now what am I got seven and a half. It was my Jay Z.. Over here it's Temecula. It is so I if but it feels like to mean gene because he talks in the beginning earlier on. He talks about that he that her sheets were filled with filth and disease because of him And then his mother is left a poor consumptive wretch right but I I don't understand the connection between those two. TV But if he had not be why is he still alive. Fifteen years later. Well I mean it could also win twenty years the first of all the I mean so he likes spends all their money right leaving panelists right so she was like she was in the cold. I actually just got sick or like the stress in the worry what it happened like had had made her sake or or at least maybe that's why he thinks sure but I think also like when when all the descriptions about like how discussing this guy is. I think it's also like this buildup in his mind. You're just discussing person. My mother died because of you. Left US penniless. Me Living on the street so you know. He's he probably doesn't like fully remember what happened right. He's like in his in his memory. This this disgusting horrible person right took their lives away but it doesn't necessarily early mean I mean he might have been in reaction quick clean. That's what I was thinking was was is it just because he's built up so much that he puts all of these things together other right. I'm not saying this guy was a good guy. Seemed to be and he doesn't seem to have gotten any better. But it's your three. These things don't correlate specifically so you put them together but he just ruined their lives so but goodness he disappeared so good there you go. That disappeared over. The MOM got healthier. Things were raised single. Edit of the song is it the fifties or sixties they'd be like and wearing a cut it there but but it doesn't seem to fit on a forty five but it doesn't happen that way He left his gambling rears his debts. The only thing you left behind and then the magistrate reclaimed are small state and my poor mother lost her mind. I mean this just gets worse and worse. Yeah Holy Moses. I mean stay Taurean tinder lesson. We're learning but tender back then is meant like you put a flame up in in the In the window that's tender and you swipe right to set the other health on fire competition. I'M GONNA take this one. This white the flame right then one day in spring my dear sweet mother died but before she did. I took her hand as she dying cried And guys she said Son and I love you and watch and don't worry about what happened to me. There's evil in the world but you have to live the best life you can. Jk No no mom pulls the three year old down and says so. This was not a good no no no I don't think so. I don't think they're going to stay friends. Don't this is not a conscious uncoupling. No I don't think it was. Does I think it was pretty rough. also seems like a lot to put on a three-year-old. Yeah well how old is supposed to be like how long I think he's three. Because I I think when they met but I mean this could have been like a year or two. I mean most years like four or five because I don't think this is the kind of guy who stays around. I think this is the guy who they have in their lives for Dr Sof yeah so the pimps and the bookies come come around rang he's gone so this is like a three three four or five year olds that mom pulls down a Finnish might don't let this year every moment but also avenged my de. Yeah it is at five. Do you think he's like that's here's like a lot mom. Yeah don't know if I can do that right now. No I think it's great that at five years old he kinda like it has in mind like what he wants to do for career now. That's true like he's he's on his yes she just wanted to give him a clear path to go down. Oh that's Nice Nice. That's a good. That's a good Parting shot. Are you gonNa tell me to be a doctor absolutely not now. I am going to tell you to avenge my death and do nothing else. You're going to need to be revenge murderer pension. It's a booming business in this day and age is true that is true. He's like I'll do it and he leaves and she said stay away from wells. Yeah so he goes to live on the street. Yep because now is snower to go and then until a priory took pity and hired how what is a priority. A priory believe is where A bunch of a priest feast live. The priory is where the priests priests house. Yeah it's a small monastery or nunnery. Those governed by prior or practice. Does it help. I made it uh now I want to know what it is but I feel like we're just gonNA keep going down breaking comedian. Yep He's good he's good he stays away from fire. Man Three offline and superman three great in the toy though uncomfortable Ashok. Let's not go down spoken about that before on the podcast to head. Let's move on Richard Pryor screen not a prior but oh so he's gets taken in by and his holy people at the age of. Let's say eighteen right nine. They need somebody sweep the floor. Yeah they ain't got no money because they're priests so. They take street Urchin in sweeping the floor the whole time. He's like constantly in his head. He's gone cuts right at this point. He must have gone mad with anger and vengeance. Right you know. He can talk about his life and he's literally living on the street as an urgent but I think the thing that ruins life. Oh you're saying that like that. His mother died and that their goal their whole life is that he had money they might be able to. He might have been able to stay off the streets if his mother died but now he's just an orphan with no money. Nobody cares so yeah. Yeah Oh yeah so. It's it's good. No no it's not GonNa do you think he ever lets slip his true Plan to the prior. He's like I think when he sweeps he sings that song. And they're like that's a little weird. Hey Jeff can speak to you for one second. Seems like you've got a lot of vengeance is on your mind can you. You know we're holy right. Turn the other cheek. Look if you're seeking revenge just don't do it in the priory. What you do in the belly of a whale as your own business there's that old adage Elliott Novelli ever whale but don't bring it to the priory you know if you ever do find yourself the belly of a whale? We'll be able to eat that place up pretty quick. We've given you a good base to work from. You're doing a great job around here. I mean this floor. You could eat off this floor by the way. I'M GONNA throw your food on the floor. That's where you're gonNA still. Does she still like eighteen doing a good job. Remember when and I said you can eat off this floor you will. Do you want to buy an indulgence for one salary. The listen you might need it if you get up there one night. I overheard prior exchanging words with the pennants. It's in wailer from the captain obvious Sham Maxi with known for a one crew. I think Private Oz ninety over. I overheard the prior exchanging words with pennant Taylor from the see the captain of his ship. Who matched you? Toda tip was known for wanton cruelty now this is like back in back in the day raid right Someone Bisbee like hey. I met a tall guy with like dark black hair and a scar in his cheek. And you'd be like Oh that's the guy I'm looking for because there was like nine hundred people at most so like really you want you got kind of a vague description you had it was like basically in real life you could play guests to one thing and you could just find them. It was that easy. Everybody kept a- guests who in their like on their persons they'd be like I'm looking for this person. Do they have blonde hair. No that's how they took the Census Yup Yup do. Are You ted okay. You got me Oh so so. This wailer came in to confess I guess to the prior. Just the confession. The prior is doing confession and the whaler comes in and says my captain is what he's talking about like how horrible the captain. Initially the captain is not the person who was doing on his ship because he would just kill them right there right right yes get to him right so who comes in to the priory and does his confession in and after that he's like girl I have to tell you. Let Me Dash Cheer Pork. Because we're GONNA continue the phrase okay good. I wasn't entirely sure the Mi- Am I right. Bosses the Lord and save right but come on even him. He Must Dr Z.. Every now and then cook earlier laws. He'd be breaking them. Your boss is bad. I can't wear clothes of two different kinds of fibers. The rule is that it's crazy. It's crazy the following day I shipped to see with a private here. And in the whistle of the wind almost here and then Mara here's his mom again so he didn't even give two weeks notice. Prior you dropped the broom and laughs out. Yeah and left because he would have to go figure out what wail or ship. It was right so that he could get to the privateer and be like pay. But here's the thing that is interesting. So privateer ship is somebody who would. It's a ship that would go and basically hunt down people who are doing unlawful. Things they'd be hired the higher by someone to go hunt down other people all right. I'm Dan other ships. privateer ship would so this whaling ship that would be the that would be the issue right so so the thing that I don't understand is is he getting this money. 'cause he hired somebody else hired him he just happens to work on this privateer ship. That just happens to be finding this cruel So because he ships to see to go fine like that is the reason he is going. He's going to find him. Find him time to appeal. And break fingers to splinters. This whole it's his whole deal man. That's his thing but I but I don't know where he's getting this money because he'd have to. You'd have to Hiram I thought he went to work for the privateer ship. Yeah but how does he know. The private here is going to find that ship specifically and he's out there for twenty months. Oh you think they just happened upon him he's like I've been working working for twenty months. Can we just kind of big favor. Can we just real quick. Can we just go murder somebody. I think I mean I think i. I don't know that he puts that on his like like resume. Not Part of the job application but I think I don't think they're going too far that I think all these ships are going to sort of cross Brad. Okay here's because after that says that fateful night we had you in our site right so it does sound like you're looking for. I don't know maybe I mean maybe I get paid the primary. I mean. We're probably everything this too much. But maybe maybe a little a little cash because this is like our or maybe it's the thing where it's like you'll get paid at the end work on commission. I don't know no discerning reminds me of like true grit when like a little girl hires. Oh Oh maybe yeah. Oh Gosh Yeah r-maine slash. What's his name? Who Was it the one big basket? Christopher Lloyd Loyd or Lloyd bridges. His father's Lloyd Lloyd. Bridges Jeff Bridges only gets John. Wayne yes John. Wayne Jeff Bridges George Washington Bridge. Yes that could be. It could be it. Yeah okay sure why I mean. I don't know why I don't know. Oh but let's just say I don't know when is somehow gets there somehow I'm he goes. Maybe there's mark I mean he's really desperate. Maybe like I mean you know the signs eight and a half minutes long so you think it would be in there but maybe like maybe robbing people. Maybe he's like stealing from the priests any money to do this. You know that's right you know so uh-huh yeah I mean. How much could it cost to hire a privateer? Yeah those days surly I mean. It's only twenty months almost careers as a privateer. You get hired off and you you have like a couple of you know you. You've got some balls in the air. You're going to look for three hours. He's got bought irons. Never never know what's going to see. I mean maybe he said I'll gladly pay you twenty months for private hearing today. The House with his tie pat angry giants I. You don't know how I survived the crew of chewed alive. I must've Austin slipped between his Co.. At providence what divine intelligence. The Jews should survive as well as me. Your starboard flank could beam. I was getting my must have must get clean. When came this rumbling? From beneath the ocean shook the sky went black and the captain quailed and before us grew the angry jaws giant whale now in that part of the song by the way you hear it like it's very cool I like sound effects. Ask the Captain Quayle. There was a big thing of whether they it I was like. Oh these are the wrong lyrics. It's quailed isn't the words should be wailed. But the answer's no quailed is a thing. Yeah Jimmy says it's now than wait. Why I mean we just sounds like the next part? I just from context clues I was assuming it was something like quake ray sort of feels like the the the the Kevin shaking and fear because a giant whale is coming to eat them yet. quailed means to feel or show fear or apprehension. Yeah it's quayle so he's just like shaking in Ernest boots. Quaking came from earthquake. Anyway they get eaten by the fact when people are really scared they literally shake right. Yeah yeah that's true. It might not from an Earth Day just the now nowhere. Quayle's came from. Where does our quayle's really skittish? macwell number quayle come on. You know that really anyway. Welcome to the PODCAST. Yeah Yeah we're giving a lot H in about. I mean when you're doing two separate song you can't help yourself wikipedia open. Gosh she can't help you. Yep Lots of people write songs with. Yes rhyming. Dictionaries with actual stay really do eighteen hundreds. I don't know how I survived. The crew all was chewed alive if I must have slipped between his teeth But Oh what providence. What divine intelligence that? You should survive as well as me one. What kind of big blank eating grin was on this guy's face when he turned around and saw this guy? Who's like you will not believe this so you are exactly the I? I wanted to see right now. Color me surprise. Now have a seat because you are not going to like the way this thank hilarious beginning. Guess what getting eaten by that. Well was the best part of your day. I'd say that that going for you. Take that in. Just I'll give you a minute anyway. This is a CO winky. Oh my I know you and you know me even though you know remember and we business my friend. Oh my gosh. Remember me the Eddie. I would like to think that at at some point the captain does recognize him he goes. Oh Yeah you in your mother and we all my God. This isn't GonNa go well is it. Oh Yeah you were that kid has your mom doing. And then he snaps. She broke up with me it. It gives me great joy to see your eyes fill with fear to leaning close and I will whisper the last words. You'll hear. Yeah we'll we whisper them are releasing them. I hope he sings if he if he was presented doesn't seeing them than his mother's goes. I specifically told you how to do this. How long was telling you this and get into it? I ask you for one thing and that is to dedicate your life to track down the men. It broke my heart and torture him. Yeah I didn't even do that right. I'm not proud of you son. I'm still not at Razz. So the last part the song is the mother is what I would call the the mothers fien right play the mothers theme but it gets faster and it gets more like crazy and stuff and you can. It's sort of just sense from the music that he's torturing him to death. Yeah and also like you assume the last Rosie here. He'll here are the thing that the mother said. Don't actually singer. They just say the melody of Najan like this is the part where the camera would cut to the shadow of him like stabbing slice seeing being. You know splatters against the wall right in this case is the part of a whale. But you have so you're saying and I'm just saying yeah So yeah so then. Presumably he tortures scattered death. uh-huh the music's all intents fills revenge and then at the anti goes I well. I Guess I'll just starve to death up here in the body can get out here. I'm lonely through. Excuse me well can you throw me up please. I'm done now I know excuse me. When are we check out? Where's the death? Check out of this. All right I'm GONNA just roll this body up carpeting that's right those are just got. CEO's that's not real carpeting. Oh my God. I'll dispose of him in the river. Yeah I can't get out of this quail. The whale's teeth knock NA sorry. Yeah Oh my God. I don't like a code. Do I put on a coat. Open OUTTA here. I made a real messed. Can you help me out but listen I did half the job for you. Have I chop them up real fine. It's fine it's line so you can. Yeah his his mother said put them in a hole and yeah there's no hole there I mean just to. He can get out eaten by a whale. I think that's more than the mother expected this. Well yeah all right okay. Now I mean you're going to slowly starve to my son but I don't know what to do about getting you didn't stay by my side so I can say also be careful. Wales Fault never listened completely. Look like yeah I got it. MOM teenagers the five year olds. Yeah I mean things in life. Don't always go the way. Expect put Mostly worked out. He pretty much got what he wanted. So I mean he did all his life was about. It's about anything except avenging. His mother's death it happened and now he's at least got a warm place to hang out with the corpse of his nemesis. He gets together. Yeah Yeah make them make the whale sneeze. Yeah they start a fire. Start a fire in the excuses or something. Yeah get out all right Anyway that's the whole story that's it that's it that's it. One of the December shorter song I do want to say as a AH consideration of a fan of the summer is probably two thirds of their songs of of people die of consumption. So it's too big trope for them. So this is this is pretty standard stuff for them. So yeah it's true it's true I know there's there's one thing about baby ghost and you guys know how how I like baby goes pretty pretty good All right let's do expanded universe What we now once again you know go stir involved ghosts involved always? That's always a big one for us. Oh the captain was. It's definitely at the UH at the Monster Mash Party right. He's a monster. He brought the way I. I don't know if the timing works sound We we know he's fudge the timeline. Michael don't worry okay. It also doesn't work out because they both died in their respective songs. But I'm pretty sure that the mother and this is at least related to Girl from run joey run. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. Yeah because they they have that same repeated little daddy please. Yeah Yeah that was his sister and they sort Adam singer probably like our great aunt or Julie. Yeah Yeah I heard you crying. Yeah yeah this is going back a little ways but This wailer takes place in the same well town as Ed Wheeler town as a brandy. I'm GONNA say definitely. Yeah like how the bars at this guy's hanging out in. Yeah like when he's like you know spending all their money he's definitely getting he's definitely get buy drinks brandy. Yeah he's in imagine he's the other guy in brandy the one she's in love with their. Yeah well he's he's sweet talking doc in her yeah. She's having none of it. She's his life. His love is lady was the C. Yeah that's what I'm saying. Wait a minute what if this Guy Ossete did it to brandy. What if he's the guy she's waiting on? That's what I'm that's a singer. She's waiting in theory. Yeah yeah he's like. Oh Yeah I love you but you know my life. My Love is a C- He's like your way from me right. And she's like yeah. I mean you know Wale Getting by Wales Dogs. Whatever this guy's up to he's out there saw roused about? I can't be around my wife and I love my ladies. The circus that was trying trying to think. Is this our first revenge song because there's a lot of probably officially we have a lot of people looking for revenge. We'd decide they're right. That's true but the where they call it out like this. Well okay. Well let's listen to you. The lights went out in Georgia. Oh this would change. That's true turns out. It is a long just stating yes. Vengeance revenge doesn't know what I'm saying served so yeah I always say revenge spot you got all the time to stop saying is starting to be concerned. told me what the tomato soup rain dispatch. Oh soon Collado Song. Yeah yeah his revenge is or or the wife's revenge is at the end up together so that is not a revenge song I refuse. UH-HUH I reject is a Lotta Song escape. Go on US long. Because he's it's it's a revenge song leader of the pack just The motorcycle was really angry. It's often rapture men from Mars gets revenge on everybody yeah. Fulsome prison prevents prevents. No he literally man just just to watch. There was no where. There's literally no reason for why he did that. That's a good point. Yeah so the anyways so I take a quick break no rude GonNa marry her anyway subtle not revenge they're gonNA take a break The history of this song Story around the story. So don't go anywhere. Have you ever wondered what a to. Z. Dad's really inappropriate. Ones would tell you if you ask them questions like why kids Kuzma having special cuddles Oakwood title or is it. I can't hide mathon. Guys'll aims of my find. Better be maybe you want to hear our unique reviews movies video games that Cipro cab out some cheese biggest bring off Submarine that tickles. Your fancy check out the data on the radio network. What's up? What do you do back? It's time for story behind Lina story where we enter the question. How did the story come to be? That's it that's true. That's the premise. Yeah Rachel Ness well. The mariners revenge was released in two thousand and five. On the band's third album Pika risk peak risk means relating to an episodic style of fiction dealing with the adventures of a rough and dishonest but appealing hero. Arouse developing say so they nailed it They really the December is know who they are and they know what's up right but the album was released on the kill Rock Stars label which was and it was the last album album on that label for they moved to Capitol Records Real quick kill. rockstars is the label for a lot of COMEDIANS. So like Brennan them. It's very interesting but ah a big part of their which is well. This song is hilarious so fun. There were big indie label. Yes sleater Kinney was on Who What Else Indiana Jones? I am sure then. Call the December assists. Yeah so anyway. Now they're on capitol records. Av Club when it came Mount Ab Club said that the album Santa brighter deeper than anything. The December as previous previously attempted It is a little bit about the song itself. The album version of the matters revenge song was recorded. Live at Prescott Church in Portland Oregon. They say in one take around a single microphone to achieve the effect of volume control. troll the band members would step closer farther away from the MIC and the drums had to be placed all the way in the back and there's a DVD. That December is a practical handbook. That apparently goes was over How they how did that? A lot of work a lot of work. I am massively disappointed why the song was on recorded in the belly oil performance. Let's go here. I want to hear the blubber young. You know what I mean you can hear it. Sounds like Yeah it's real good No I was GonNa say the Carnegie Hall of of the. Yeah I mean you know it's it's it. Has that sort of old timing right sound right I mean I. Ah It fits the song. They did. Chris funk who said in an interview he said we're being naive about the recording process. We thought a bigger space brought a bigger sound not true at all By no stretch of the imagination. Is it our best sounding record but you can really hear the room. It doesn't sound like anything else we've is made so it's true The song itself is An encore usually an encore for the band that they do live. It's huge hit a couple of performances. I watched they have at the the time where they get eaten by the whale. Bring out these huge like scissors like scissor type things with whale jaws on them and so everybody screams teams and things like that. That was a shark though just the show and then other people had spoken about how they've also. Oh had a huge inflatable whale. Come and go across the crowd and people scream and say no and stuff like that. It's the rocky horror of I it scrape scrape. Yeah it's totally Super Fun But they said that Column a Colin Meloy said that Chris Walla who's one of the producers didn't WanNa put with the mariners revenge song on the record. He said we were like what are you talking about. It's part of our identity that theatrical camp equality but sometimes feel he was right. I love and hate that song I think because it became sort of one of their anthems EXP- they're expected to play right. It's expected to be one of their their encores. If you're going to have like a signature sign you have to play all the time and you probably don't want one one is eight minutes long and it was like a million words you have to remember. Bring teleprompters I think they're GONNA do mariners events any somebody hold up these cue cards. Oh my gosh. They're they're coming around with more with more drinks and food. Everybody everybody settle in Syria. What are the lyrics to my song? Demand is really I don't have that much bandwidth. Ed How did you pay for the private. Don't point out fly holes theory. I didn't ask for your information just straightforward forward. This song and album were co produced by Chris Walla who is the lead singer of death camp acuity okay for Cutie who I get confused with like eight million other bands. I'm so sorry Catholic. I am so sorry but I do. I don't know what to tell you so about the band. The summers were formed in in two thousand when Colin Meloy left his previous band Tokyo in Montana and moved to Portland Oregon Oregon. Because he's an alternative indie rock. Doc and that's where you go especially in two thousand in the year two thousand. That's exactly where you go. He first met their nate nate query. Who Plays Bass? And then he nate introduced him to Jimi Conley plays accordion. They've been in a I think since the beginning column Malloy is pleased vocals locals guitars harmonica. He's obviously their their lead guy. Nick Query Plays Upright Bass. Different base stuff Jedi commonplace keyboards piano organ. Accordion that kind of stuff and then on this album. It had Chris funk on Mandolin Rachel Blumberg played drums and she was also the the person who played the mother but it it also I was trying to see was kind of confusing because it was inbetween when not in between but it was the last album that Rachel did with them but it seems like John Moen also so who took over for her also played on the album. I couldn't figure that out. It didn't seem to have like a straightforward answer for it. The Band's name does not refer to Christmas sorry Ari it doesn't. It does refer to the December rolt in eighteen twenty five insurrection in imperial Russia. I will say this yeah. I liked the December Salat Salat But half the things that I read grounder made me roll my eyes so hard so hard I love him and it's great but also so it's like of course it is. Yeah of course. Of course you titled Your Album. Pekar s carry of course. The December came from an eighteenth twenty-five summarizing conception originally called the Jingle Bells in Montana. They were the jingle bells and they moved to Portland Oregon and said No. We're GONNA be about an uprising in Russia. I only I forgive it only because like that's partially joke. It's like so far. They were saying like great. We're campy Soleil. I mean fun. A lot of their stuff is like that and end me. Also stated that the name is also invoked the drama and melancholy of the month of December. Right nailed it. He figured it out there like we know what's up. We know what we are the man is known for its theatricality and its use of storytelling. Winging its songs they have a lot of story songs Malloy is also a writer so he has some of their Story songs are the sporting life and apology. Song Interpol sportingly. Yeah why is also genuinely funny right because like jokes in it and then. There's there's an epic one that we'll talk about later. Well we'll do for. We'll do the next one. But then as odorless odalisque and the rake's song which are more dark and then political sixteen military wives and Valerie Plame and then there's also a lot historical stuff with them and themes like worldly themes and so on and so forth but they also have an epic eighteen minute story story song called the tain which is based off of an Irish mythological epic story tain Bo cling. No that is not anywhere close. What it is? But it's about a battle about for a cow as far as I could tell But it is an eighteen minute. It was a standalone album E. E. P. STANDALONE EP of a story song. And we're GONNA listen to it right in cal- seventy the cat Cow Fisher is cal. Eight more minutes since its formation Malloy is served mostly as the band's singer Guitarist and principal songwriter. They have seven studio albums with one and being a gold album the king is dead which was released in two thousand eleven maybe. At's thirteen singles two compilations and a live album. Malloy himself also did a solo album where he just saying the music of Morrissey that's all that's not even on my page I. It was like I know people need to know that because he said that they were obviously a big influence the smiths and Morrissey and then he did an entire album of the band is considered alternative folk Indie Rock Baroque pop. But this goes back to something. Dan said previously the best description I saw for them. Came from. Read it where somebody said. What kind of do they have? Have you ever felt like a Victorian era sailor before summed it up so perfectly. It's like. Yeah that's right that's right. Yeah have you ever felt like maybe a time traveler and the Jules Verne their vibe. Yeah there's a lot of like sort of pop culture around the band a and they were performing as themselves in the unity concert episode of parks and REC Where saying the crane wife life? They Sang Sung crave and by Little Sebastian. Gorka five thousand candles. They also appeared a as simple as simpsons Simpson's innocence as themselves in the in the simpsons where they played the new music teachers at Springfield Elementary School in an episode about the hipster vacation Springfield. They have like one line in it and they were like. Hey you kids who wants to learn about something. Like industrial downfall in infanticide great life and their songs. Sons and daughters was featured in an episode of the office at a The truth family funeral and a lot of those. I don't know two thousand whenever but apparently a lot of people that's how they came to find out about the December umbrella because in the episode the shoot family sings the song sons and daughters which ps great song And then at the the end you hear the December singing sons and daughters and I went back and a lot of people are like. WHO's here because of the because of the office and yeah a lot of people were? The song is great and it's really go wrong when the mad men right they do have a song in Madman. Yeah I forget what it was. It's the Infanta Fanta. It might be the Infanta but it's weird because like the only time they play a non period specifics frame it just like for no reason. They're just like by the way. Here's talk from two thousand six. Yeah Mel bags of the sixties. Doesn't always I just stopped and now back to madman right right. But a lot of their so ASSOC- Malloy is also an author having written for children's books illustrated by his wife. Who who is a Caldecott Award winning illustrator Carson Ellis and finally the December states have their own board game of course really called Ila Matt which was illustrated by Carson? Ellis looks exactly the way that a December sport game would look it. Looks like an old timey game okay. It is does does not have a a board. It has a cloth a game cloth and everything looks like it came curse that being said. I know what I want for Christmas. it's great but I didn't know much about the December I knew they existed and I knew them from certain things and and as I was listening to more songs like oh I know this song I know that Song but after this I am a fan of the December. I think they're terrific. They're really interesting extinct. They're kind of a little bit indie darlings but at the same time they they're they've never reached a huge peak right. Yeah Malays even said. He's like the people who I liked Growing up never hit huge. They were never playing these like really huge Venues and he's kind of happy with them not exploding onto the mainstream. Yeah so I mean again. I can't imagine songs about lamp lighters. BOOT blacks really blowing up the charts. uh-huh no number. They did have a number one. Hit on the Adults on the Victorian three charts number. One hit on the return. It's not too hits I forget what they are now but they were on the adult alternative your charts. I mean there for some great. I really like here. I dreamed it was an architect really good song. The legionnaires lament Similar to this song a lot of that. There's even a song called the Rake's Song Young Dad. Well you said you were like a little darker. Yeah which I don't want to spoil. The rake. Song is about a guy who murders all of his children one by one right so they can go back to whoring yes so so so that in Rachel's disability that's a little listen. Can I say you know people have different threshold. They WanNa talk to you much about many of their other songs because they do have a wad of story as on that we might be going back to this. Well he'll be going back to this. Well yes if you'll have us when we're in nine years when we're desperate what else what else is there actually be sound all right. That's it good. We'll take another quick break when we come back back talking about their lesson. We learned this song with lessons learned. We might seem to cool in blue but we love to connect on social media. Follow follow us on twitter at story underscore song on Instagram at stories on podcast and on our facebook page. It's your ticket to the in crowd. Daddy Oh all right. We're back. It's time for lessons. Learned from this before we do that. Let's let's talk about Social Media and how we're on it and how you guys should follow us on it We are on twitter. We are on facebook. We are on instagram. And if you could follow us and continue the conversation we love to hear from you and if you could go ahead then leave us a five star review on Apple podcasts or on whatever platform you're listening to the show on and if you leave us a review we will read it right here on the air. Yeah well definitely Goodrich goodrich anything. We're putting good stuff on social media so we're not telling you to follow it. Is that what we're saying you know. There's like a lot of fun on staff and you know if you WANNA talk back to us. You have like thoughts. You want to continue the conversation. That would be super helpful if you could. If you like the show we'd really appreciate it. Yeah it's all about forming a community story song community. See We talk about songs about people who are eaten by. I wish all right. So let's talk about what lesson we learn from. This is speaking of that. So my listen Did you learn from the Sun. I learned the way our narrator survived and was by slipping through the teeth of the whale. So I think the thing that I'm taking away from. This is floss. Your whales people. Yes your wells you never know when so you need that extra space. That might be taken up by a bunch of barnacles. or WHO's the deal we've all owned Wales and they take a lot of keep your and it's it's sometimes you want to like you know you wanna get lazy. You want to skip some steps again if you wail ownership. It's a big commitment. Yeah but if you're going to do what you gotTa do a right so you definitely want to blossom trail and make sure there's no you know. I don't know Victorian Mayor Mariners stuck in there or anything else because those are particularly uh those are not uh so you want those especially if they if they were awake. You definitely get out get out. Yeah so it's bad. Get the rest. It's about side of their teeth. You know that was going to have consumption and that is like pretty much a death sentence. That's for awhile. Yeah because they got to breathe. Underwater Rachel what I learned. Is that if you are dying and you have time to say one thing to your your small child. It should be avenge my death. Yeah even if you have nobody to that you need revenge on just make somebody up to give them a path to give them something to do. Careful the things you say. Children will listen also avenge my death. That's what I'm saying. Yeah I like what you're saying. Okay no because I yeah even if you just like you know you are dying of like a natural cause say oh no no. I got this disease from that guy over there and you have to spend your entire life figuring out how to get revenge on it. Don't do it now because you just a little kid. You GotTa wait. You'll have to stew with it but for that a guy Let's say his name. Steve Steve Steve. He'll tell you something different but we we both know. He's Steve. Okay thank God I was GonNa say I learned is if you are a priory right or you own a prior prior You have someone sweeping the floors right right. Get that security deposit because if they disappear on you right then you have the little you have that little insurance so hard for them to skip out so you need first and last Yup and then the security deposit and also you know you're you're GONNA you're willing to hold that last. Check Mike that lasts paychecks. Like make sure that you gotta you know. They have to address that they can't just skip out right because Oh so you know priors the priory. There's there's it's there's a lot of turnover in that industry them by their own broom just gonNa keep on replacing Abrahams. You'RE GONNA WANNA get that security deposit prior When we hit dad that means the episodes Tammy Outta gas so good? That was the goal so much for listening. 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403: Becoming a champion with Alexa Bliss

Earn Your Happy

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403: Becoming a champion with Alexa Bliss

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We've all gone through it but it doesn't have to define you can be successful out of it and it can actually be like the thing that makes us successful. Welcome to the earn your happy podcast. I'm laurie harder founder of the bliss project three time fitness world champion fitness expert and cover the model turned self love junkie lifestyle entrepreneur and author each week. I'll bring you a guest or thought that will help you bust through your fears connect mcateer soul and get focused and clear so you can elevate your life business and relationships. We don't wait until we're ready for someone to tell us. We're good enough. We take what we want and we annoyance ourselves. Get ready to earn own and on apologetically rock your happiness every single day. Are you with me here. We go. Hey everyone welcome back to the show and i have a super awesome experience to share with you guys and it is definitely the part of this podcast that is so exciting <hes> i don't often get to go and travel on the road and <hes> this podcast but i got to go down to shoot the staple center in downtown los angeles during monday night raw and have this interview at w. e. so this is a bit outside of the norm for this podcast. I have interviewed former <hes> w._w._e. Divas have freaking loved it and this was no what different i had the most fun time interviewing. All of the women on this day and this woman in particular is such a light. She's so brilliant. She is such a firecracker and i love hearing that the basic mindset and principles are the same exact across the board no matter what your dream is. I don't care if you wanna start a business. I don't care if you want to be an entrepreneur. I don't care if you want to be a._a._a. W._w._e. superstar it is all the same mindset and belief in yourself and connection to other people and celebration of of each other so today. My interview is with alexa. Bliss does just love that lasts. Are you kidding me alexa bliss. I was like how does this and she is a driven competitor. She has been her entire life participating in softball track kickboxing our youth excelling especially in gymnastics and eventually becoming becoming a division one cheerleader. She even entered the world of competitive bodybuilding where she became one of the youngest competitors to receive her i._f._p. Professional status which hearn i had so much in common with talking about this so it was a lot of fun to hear about that journey as well. She has such incredible athletic background that it's no wonder that she quickly became one of nex ex- most dangerous superstars. Although she never captured the women's title she was a constant threat pushing the likes of many of the women in there you guys this. This woman is such a powerhouse and just the sweetest heart like when i got to sit with her. She was just humble. She was excited to do the interview and i also knew she was back to back to back to back that day but she was so present with me and i also know that that's a huge reason that she's so successful is that she she is just in the moment even though i'm sure her life and mind is spinning. Sometimes you hear that a lot with this. Interview is so much of their life is on on the road. And how do you manage all that so. I can't wait for this to get started because i just think the wisdom within this can be applied to all of our lives so here we go lexi. I'm so excited to be sitting down chatting with you. How are you. I'm fantastic. How are you. I'm <music> so excited to be here. It was so much time assignment i because when i was playing in people thought i was like a wrestler so they were yelling. Oh yeah like shape your blonde uh-huh so yeah. I'm really really excited me here but i would love to know what in your life got you to this moment like what was there's is probably many transformational moments or lagasse things that you can go back to but is there one thing that either planted the seed of the stream like. Was it something that you saw on t._v. He was at someone who talked to or were there a few things that <hes> you know i've watched so w growing up in so i was a fan you know growing up. My family would get together every monday night. We'd order pizza. We'd watch trou- it was just the thing that we did and you grew up watching us. Yes could your brothers or cousins. They would always pretend to be the hardy boys and we had like a little inflatable pool that was water in it and they used it as their ring and i was always the one that was like no don't hit me up and then i was it became a wrestler <hes> no so my cousins and my family all watched it and then after college i competed in bodybuilding. Why did became division. <hes> i competed repeated because i was trying to find a healthy way of getting over my eating disorders okay so that's kind of how i got into fitness and my trainer at the time his name's mike davies. He told me hey w._w._e.'s having a trial. I heard and he knew i was a fan so he was like hey. I don't know if this like in your own. If it's something you try i i heard they're having a trial and he's mentioned in passing and i was like oh so i went on later. That day is after a boot camp. I went to w. dot com and there's a link and it said do do you wanna be a w._w._e. Superstar <unk> yes i do. It's like clicked on. It made a video. It's this god awful video of me in my posing soup in my clear heels feels like this is why i should be w._w._e. Superstar and i recently saw that video is just it's tragic and <hes> i senate in <unk>. I got a casting call after that i was flown to l._a. For a day was given an interview and after that was signed than they were like luscious <unk> athletic as you look and so it was a very lucky situation 'cause i know a lot of people have any background in wrestling have had multiple trials like four five six except trials before they make it and i just kind of fell into it luckily but it was something that i pursued to fall into if that makes sense yeah totally and i think i think the a whole part about it was easy probably because your fitness journey was probably somewhat challenging very challenging. There's so much that people could look at and say oh that happened right away except you were prepping. Yes basically for this through fitness for a long time so what was that. What was that fitness journey like why did you i know you said that you got into it because you were getting over over in eating disorder but what did that look like so when i grow up my whole life as a gymnast in ulster cheerleader okay ohio besides okay yeah. I lived in wisconsin minnesota upper michigan. Oh very cool yeah so you know the whole the whole midwest yes so i competed in my whole life competed in the arnold since i was five knots 'cause i did gymnastics at the arnold cheerleading arnold transition into bodybuilding and so <hes> you know could working out has always it's been a thing in my life <hes> but then when i was in high school i got very sick and i developed eating sorter and i lost a whole bunch away a birlik thirty pounds in like five weeks hospitalized so then i started when i got the hospital. I started training with my trainer. <hes> natalie in i've been training with her since i was very since i was fourteen because my parents friends were bodybuilders and we stood bodybuilding shows and i remember thinking i wanna do that because i watch the fitness. This division tumble michael hill zeal the routine so i was like oh my god i wanna do that. When i was a gymnast yes so i was like this is this is what i wanna do and and so after i trained with natalie for few years i went to college college. I did college cheer why college cheer they had us just doing bud pods and i know coming from you know what about sydney message body fat percentage and they would like post them <hes> so and i remember specifically specifically having a conversation with my coach saying hey you know i just got over anorexia. I don't feel comfortable numbers e._s. and so but she she had also i feel like had named sorta at the time because she told me that she had one in the past so she kind of understood but then it was also like hey hey everyone needs to sign into do cardio three days a week or three times a day. Everyone needs to do this. Everyone needs to sign up for this and you had to sign. When you're at the gym had go the gym had god thank you so <hes> i remember going back to a hieaux <hes> it or columbus. I was football game. I <hes> i was in my uniform uniform. I lost a whole bunch again and i told everyone i was like hey. This has been fun but i need to go home packed up as much as i could. In my car drove home to columbus columbus admitted myself the next day and went through the whole process again of the hospitalizations the therapy and everything like that and as soon as i came out of the hospital my trainor natalie mike i had one lifting session with them and they don't competitive <hes> so they were like okay so <hes> in six weeks you're going to be on stage and you're either gonna make an idiot of yourself by starving yourself or you're gonna do well and listen to us the decision shares if you're gonna go on stage embarrass yourself or or not but you are getting on station six weeks and so that kind of triggered the whole motivation of wanting to get better and wanting to eat the food on the diet diet plan. Do the cardio do lifting get healthy and i remember competing my first show this natural bio. I won first overall the whole deal and then. I was hooked like i want to do this in so i competed for a few years went fro- <hes> it was very difficult because yeah i was at the time i was maybe eighteen nineteen competing against women. We are twenty six twenty seven now. It's usually sport you get into in your later doina e._s. And i had a struggle because i didn't have the muscle maturity. Just naturally didn't have that russia maturity that a twenty six twenty seven twenty eight year old woman has in so it was very it was very hard to compete pro and i remember after w._w._e. Signed me. I'd computers arnold the last time and i was just like this is going to be fun. I went out just did my thing and bowed out. This has been great but yeah definitely. It's something something w w i take it as something that i trained for my entire life because i've been in athletics since i was five years old so i i i find it so interesting coming from a fitness background as well there. There's a drive of there's this. There's this line of like being driven in a really positive way and i think all of us have this us to be honest <hes> being driven in a positive way where it can turn dark out very quickly really really quickly yes so oh and i know that i've dealt with that my whole life trying to keep the motivation and drive of leg wanting to achieve something but not have it be so much coming from the place of i'm not enough. I'm not i'm not going to be seen or like trying to keep that in perspective of balancing life with needing to achieve so are you still do. Did you feel like you're still in that dance. And how do you find when you're going to the extreme end. 'cause i'm sure it's so easy especially with your in your in the forefront all the time like how do you kind of real it back when you feel yourself going into the extremes again because so many people relate to this. This is one of the biggest things for sure you know. I'm definitely at an extreme personality -ality i am either all in or all out and ashes type always been and especially after no going through the body image issues through everything the depression like every kind of mental thing that you can you just have to know your boundaries and know you know now like i purposely. I know my boundaries countries like i know if i get a little too lean out purposely. Go order pizza and because i know that day like i'm gonna feel good after i do that in i just i make myself self. Get out of that negative place and especially you know here. It's hard because we travel three hundred days. Yeah we're away from our families away from our friends. We don't see them so you can get into that that kind of mentality quickly so you kind of have to you know know how to get yourself out of it and you know it's. It's so what do you did. You talk to people. Do you like what are the main things for your mental health that you do <hes> i. I love watching that likes. I'm i call my friends friends. Call my mom like my mom lives down the street. <hes> i have a whole bunch of animals <hes>. I have three dogs a pig dogs. I have a maltese eh any any gorky pig okay yes but he thinks he's a dog race around but we have some in. Our neighborhood are getting away all like okay. There's a big getting walked right now. Yep with popcorn yeah. This is great. Oh my my picnics cheerios uh-huh yes. You probably like a lot of anything <hes> my picks very picky eater really he only eats carrots spinach and pineapple interiors but isn't saying he won't louis anything else. He's very picky. Pigs <unk> everything he just taking. I think he he's he's adiba so for you. What are you. What do you wish more people. Ask you a question that you wish more people asked you that. You don't think thank people know about you. I don't know i don't know well mostly like when people ask me stuff. It's always about like wrestling <hes> and which is fine because it's what were known for <hes>. I guess i don't know. Are there things that you would love for people to know about you that you don't typically share or do you feel like you share a lot. I pressure law millionaire and open book. That's the thing 'cause you know with w._g._n. Are characters in yeah with how much we do community outreach and how much we do like star programs and everything like that so we're kind of expected to lay it all out. There should be like because someone somewhere will relate to something you've gone through yeah so we're kind of were all highly accessible and very much an open book. I don't think there's anything anyone doesn't know about me. That's i think that's the it's it's good and it's bad what's good and what's the badge. The good is you know. People know us in and out of character uh-huh and they can relate to us in and out of character in any way like my character t. I'm completely opposite on t._v. As i am in real life like my character is the biggest just bewildered you'll ever meet. It's that girl from high school. You know everyone secretly hates <unk> still follow them on twitter right here. I mean or facebook them somehow doing and myself as a person. I've always been very you know. Shine ascents where i'm very like extroverted introverted like like one on one talk can talk to your off inserted third person on the quietest one like i just get real awkward <unk> in just like that came from. Do you know i don't know i've heard this thing though yeah i've heard it's the thing sounds like so. I'm not the only weird one around here. Now i'll get in. I guess the bad is everyone knows everything about you know literally you can't do or sneeze without people knowing i mean especially because he on social media everything gets blown out the proportion all the time. I mean luckily i've never been like a victim to any of that stuff but like even just like seeing stuff that people like right about you in there. You're like like you don't know me. You don't know me as a person like especially on social media. We show you everything about our lives but we also only show you what what you see and so that's just like. I guess bat of it. It's so interesting so this relates so much to everything that most women asked most women who are listening this either want to <hes> <hes> or they have a business entrepreneur or they're a public speaker. They're really getting wanting to write a book where they already written books. Things like that like really putting themselves out there. How do you how do you kind of keep a safe boundary for yourself mentally when you were really out there 'cause i think now with anything. It's required to be really league. Yes especially you know. There's people on instagram that like film. Their entire lives every day hair makeup ready which kudos because when i'm at home. My hair isn't a messy bun. I don't leave the house i eat. I watch net flicks like i do not leave couch. I sit with my animals and that's kind of what i do. When i'm home uh nothing is work related. There's no speaking of wrestling. There's no speaking of work. There's no speaking of anything that's not positive energy off to huge james mallory phone offer. What do you do oh. I can't turn my phone on your iphone up. 'cause i've addicted to pinterest on pinterest interesting stuff on that that kind of for me. I learned that john sita johnson came and talked to us. When we were in annexed he was saying you're not home. Disconnect uh-huh because someone said what's the secret of longevity said disconnecting <hes> because sometimes you can become so wrapped up in what you're doing or what you're focusing on that you become so obsessed with it that sometimes you need to step back because if you're you're not seeing it from clear angle when you're always in it now so for example you know when i was injured i was out with russians and i saw my work and i was like you see it for perspective and you're like oh i can really improve on that but when you don't see it yes and so oh i think it's healthy to make that boundary and to kinda step out of it and do things that you enjoy because if you're so wrapped up in it you're not gonna enjoy what you do anymore. It's going to become work so so have you. Don't separate yourself like now. This isn't work. It's fun and because i was able to step out of it and create that boundary in a healthy way yeah what what do you think is the most challenging thing about what you do in this industry everyday. I'd say the travel yeah. I've been home one day the whole month. Mhm and i think that's the hardest part in. I'm really <hes> like o._c._d. Germophobic two hundred all the time that really gets me. I'm always like book so i always make sure i booked somewhere. <unk> book a hotel. I make sure they have guests laundry. I'm like most americans thing. Yes i'd say the travel. I'd say that's the hardest thing like for example you know we. We've had seventy one flights every day so i've been up the last five days for at four a._m. Every morning flying in and then you know having in full days and then tomorrow we're gonna -tario and then fly out straight from ontario tampa tamla commercial commercial to <hes> pay per view pay per view did japan so that's just like you're constantly on the go. That's i always say i live on a caffeine and conceal your ever write a book. That's going to be that's the title caffeine can steeler so how do you because especially coming from finance background or eating disorder or anything like that making just being a human in general like we want to attempt to have control on our lives. Yeah and i said that travels like the number one thing that can make you feel like you're out of control as a so. How do you find in this. Is this answer can be translated for anybody anybody listening even if you don't travel because it can be related to win. Your life feels autocratic control kids. You can't plan for your kids or you can't plan for certain things at work or you're not in control of different things that are happening within your business or whatever that looks like so how'd you how'd you either find like that calm or that piece when things just i feel out of control and how do you create ritual amongst no control. It's so crazy they use it. Because there's times i can feel my life getting out of control. Yes yes mainly because whenever i feel my life getting out of control i always have tornado dreams interest every time like actual tornado like like dreams about tornadoes and and i looked into it and it's like you dream about stuff like storms or anything like that when you like your life is out of control hug. You can't control the situation so whenever i start to like even having it's the weirdest thing like i just my body knows when things are out of control so like i have a whole bunch of like meditation apps on my phone. I'll read a book something that you know you can take at your own pace like especially like travel. There's been i've been in literally every travel situation that now i feel like even if travel is out of control everything using ends up working out <hes> for example like last u._k. Tour we had we missed connection because the connection was booked to close gift to we landed. We had a thirty minute layover. Go through customs rejected our bags was going to happen. As soon as we got off the plane. The personality fascinate last data's other like you're not making our bags are lost for four days as we are on a two week tour bags lahser four days we went to go shopping somehow my wall to uber and in spain you can't contact tax omar no-one would help us know anything. Finally one woman walks by just happens to stop asked me if i was okay no like i'm freaking now. My wallet's gone. It hit my passport everything dawn and she was just like oh. She spoke english like one of the very few people didn't she was like oh. <hes> by friends works for uber louis. Just let me just see what's going on but secre calls like speaks to whoever she couldn't. They're like oh is it. A black studied. Whatever whatever never knows again now like oh. We'll find that driver <unk> oh. He's still in the area. Somehow like this whole situation so i always feel like especially when it comes to travel if i can handle the worst situation guess possible like murphy's law. I can handle anything owner. That's kind of like one of the things that you have to go through those out of control situations to to know that you can be perfectly fine in the smaller out of control situations like you said travel stuffer just little things that happened. I mean kids are a big situation relation but you know sometimes you just don't plan for that stuff. We kind of have to take it day by day and understand that things always work out how they're supposed to <hes> whether it's good or bad. It's gonna work out how it's supposed still so is that a is that like a a core belief that world in your life it will even when it feels crazier like i'm just waiting this storm out. Yes yes exactly and it lets. My friend told me that she was just like no matter what happens she goes. Everything's gonna sort itself out in the way it's going to. She goes doesn't matter what you do how you try control control it. It's going to happen how it's supposed to man. You're not you're right. I think that's such a big part of successful. People's mentality is that's truly like if that's a core. I believe that it will always work out. It will make you stay in the storms retreating exactly instead of being like whoa. This is too much. This is something that they can't handle. I know but you don't know if you can handle it till you know if you can handle it until he goes through do it and there's no real graceful way of i think there is later but there's no real oh graceful way of handling it the first time like did you have a meltdown the first few times that it happened like travel so yeah absolutely ailing apart now my god so it's part of the biggest thing is getting lost. I hate getting lost and <hes> one time i remember i was like crying and legs my phone like stop working and i'm like orders zona and no idea where i was at in like i somehow was able to call my mom from my ipad because i was able to connect to mcdonald's wifi and i call my mom and i was like to direct me to the nearest a._t. And team in bless her heart she goes so you're gonna go. South west on this street and our guys like mom would love uh <unk> i went on mapquest is two thousand nineteen. No one's using that sounds like please put it in your in them like i'm at intersection of this in like like northeast southeast west. That doesn't do anything on me as like. I need a left to right straightforward. That's what backwards. It was just like next friday. I was crying so hard and then like eventually i found it in everything worked out and then i was like i was a little dramatic dramatic over nothing you have to like you have to like notice when you're being a little too extra and kind of tone adele bit yep totally so what's something right now that you feel in your life besides travel that maybe you are struggling with either mentally or something with what you wanna do where you wanna go or maybe maybe a doors not opening. What's something that you feel like. You're in right now. <hes> for me right now. It's the scheduling of work to be honest because i haven't been home in a month uh-huh and it's very hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel especially because here everything happens so last minute so i was finally just to go home last week and and i was sent to chew weeks ago. I was sent to pittsburgh to go home and it was my best friend. She was coming down with her with her baby and she's she's my best friend forever. We booked this vacation for her a year ago and she's only in florida for three days. I was in charge of the baby's birthday party and just with how scheduling excellent worked out like i was added on stuff to go to pittsburgh for these two under the three days and i was just like it's out of my control and i'm like if i don't get home like i don't see them for another year and like i'm in charge of the first birthday party and it's just like it's those things that you kinda have to realize that i have to make a decision what's what's important and so i made a decision i needed to go home and i needed to spend my time time with my friends and her baby and i knew you can't get that woman back. There are some things in life. You just can't get back in works. Always gonna be there <hes> in right now for me. It's just the scheduling 'cause i was supposed to go home for the first time <unk> added another appearance the head to austin country back on the road and i'm just just like it's just it's. It's almost like an every day that i have is like super busy like today for example. I was like accidentally triple booked on appearances before the show starts remain so it's like it's finding a rhythm and just going with it and so for me right now in life it's scheduling which which is very <hes> normally in very schedule oriented and when that schedule gets thrown off. I gave very overwhelmed and i think with that like it's just like you know what right now you do the work and can reap the benefits later and side what you wanna do then but right now. It's time to be on the grind to get it done. In rest will come after so many important things. I think people forget that when you are trying to reach a dream where you are working for something there's like that i call it like the atmosphere atmosphere point where you have to break through that misfire rocket has to be like in full throttle and sometimes you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel right and it's like what keeps you going in those moments comments where it's like. You don't think there's anything left <hes> for me. I honestly i can't look at the end goal. I can't look because if i'm like cool i'll reach this in like. We have a paper you coming up. I'll reach up abe review x amount of weeks. I have to take everything day by day because if i'm i'm looking at that. I'm not paying attention to what i'm doing. You know day by day especially because that seems so far away now and i will lose my drive and i'll lose motivation been sick. Keep going at my best so you have to take it day by day because if not today like when you wake up what's the mentality that because it's really easy to go out. How do you get back into your body into the present moment billy. What's today like how do you do your best today. <hes> honestly i just kinda. Look it today as a whole and then break down into sections and i'm like okay so i have before. The show starts a three things i need to do and then. I just take each one because if i were if i were to look at today as a whole i'd be like i'm this. I'm going to have your show up. I said that to myself on the plane. I was like name. Maybe i just don't show up. What how do i really need my job so that's the thing like people and i've seen little means of that. People are like when you really debate how much you need your job morning. I was like today. I was like i'm just not going on on. I'll physically be there but mentally. I'm not going <hes> no but you have to take it. You have to break it down into where you can control it and you can absorb everything that's kind of how i do. Everything like especially you know. During our live shows we'll have like three or four live shots to do and it's looking like three or four shots. You go okay so what's the first one here it is. This is what you're doing. This is how i feel about it. In this helmet cool don't even think of the arrests stuff yet finished one task in the move onto the next one and then the next one and then by the time mm you're done. You're less overwhelms. It all went well because you're focusing on the one bit at a time instead of one piece of time instead of whole big picture so it's kinda how i have to handle a lot of my day by day stuff especially because with how much we travel and how much we do. It's like oh my gosh overwhelming but then you go take step by step is on the bed. I it's so crazy out of all of the interviews of done with crazy busy people or people who are chasing their dreams literally when it comes back to you there it has to be moment to moment more or we implode yeah. I'll talk to some women who are just like until anxious. I'm so freaked out him some like. Where were you thinking right now. Yeah i'm thinking six months around like holy shit. I can think yeah exactly so <hes> for you. What is something that really like makes you happy and gets present on the daily lake with something that do you find happiness every single day that you can get some days but is there things that drop you into being in percents. Make you either grateful or i like kinda. Just people watch it on is that i like people. Watch you know when you look around like i get a lot of motivation from other people whether it's motivation for work motivation for personal life and i like just like looking around other people and seeing how they live their lives and it kinda grounds you for a second and realize it's like yes what we do is very overwhelming but what we're what we do is really freaking cool and it impacts salata people and in a positive way and if we weren't doing what we what we do we wouldn't be an escape other boom and sometimes we need an escape from our escape gape but as people watch it and i like to you know get in contact with my friends and stuff that makes you grounded and stuff. That makes you really appreciate what what you're doing and then you realize like the stuff isn't bad and like i am i. That's why i like i love i love my job. I love what i do because it is crazy <hes> uh-huh but we wouldn't do it if i love it and we love the reaction in interaction with people for jim like nadia and i just went to saudi arabia and we got to visit with kids in the hospital and the fact that they knew who we were was incredible <hes> and we were an escape for them just for a couple of minutes and just to be able holds you take people out of their current situations is just. It's crazy to know that we do that. We get into like deep gratitude yeah for what your impact is yeah. So what do you hope when people like when teenage girls look at you. What do you hope that they get from it. <hes> debt from just even the way you live your life for how you follow your dreams <hes> honestly i feel like when i was going through like my depression in my eating disorders and everything like that. I didn't have anyone to look look to like. I remember when i was hospitalized. Who dumped a heart monitor <unk>. Ivy's tunes everything. Soccer players players came in and visited me and i remember being like you don't know what i'm going through. You know what i mean and i feel like women are like that in general were always like rose like you don't know you you don't get it but that's just i was like you. Don't get what i'm going through but i've been there and i've been through you know a lot of stuff and i feel like i hope teenagers. Whether it's boys or girls i hope they see that when they feel less confident about themselves due to other people for example if someone else's causing them to feel worse about themselves or anything like that like no one can determine your self worth but you and so so i kinda hope that they see me as that person that i needed growing up because i needed someone to be like hey you're gonna go through. This and you're gonna go through it a lot but but it's not gonna define you and you're going to be successful out of it. You're gonna you're gonna be happy some days. You're gonna be really sad some days but that's just life and i think people want thing. I wish we would be more open about with teenagers and stuff like that especially with online like online bullying and stuff like that we get to yes tunnel and we are just as successful even though we go through it too because i remember when i was in high school like people right on my my space and i was just like all my god. The world is ending. You know what i mean like <unk>. I'm just so worth less than this that and the other and but we go through it to you know what i mean. It's it's it's something that we can connect with people and that's why we have a star and all that stuff often. It's because it's not it's not the end of the world and i wish more people would talk about all my bullying you know mental illness and all that stuff especially with women and teenagers and stuff like that because we've all gone through it but it doesn't have to define you you can be successful out of it and it can actually be like a the thing that makes you successful. Let's talk about that because i think that one honestly it's something that i really struggle with because i see every day in what we do look it. Just someone leaving crappy comments all the time or in your d._m.'s or whatever that looks like it's just a part of it. Yes literally all a part of it but how does does somebody who because i think women are very sensitive and we want people to like us. I human so how do you can block that out. Honestly i just kind of laugh at it. Because you know to that point though i i was never liked that cause you'll scroll through comments and comments and you'll see all these positive breath and then you'll see that one focus on that one negative in an old positives don't mean anything i kind of the way i was able to kinda separate from that which is just to realize that you know. I'm much more than what i'm posting. Yes and i only show you what i want you to see. <hes> in the fact that you're judging what what i'm giving you that's kind of laughable because like you're just like come on man like there's so much context that yeah are somewhat understand. There's so much context that you can't write about. Yes and it's just if people are just so quick to judge and you know. I've always been a big advocate about like social. Media could be like the best thing in the roller thing in the world. It just depends on how you do it in like i remember like one a girl i knew in high school. Her younger brother killed himself because of online bullying and it's just one of those things things that people it gives people this way of saying things hurtful things in harassment with no consequences in. I feel like that's just if you have to go out of your way to say something mean on my stop what is going on in your life and that's kind of like if that comment made. Did you feel better about yourself. Cool dude like sorry but you know i'm still gonna be out here with my best life and that's kind of how you can have to look at it. You kind of take it with a grain of salt. It took a while to get to that point but you kind of have to realize that with every hundred comments there's going to be a negative but there's also ninety nine positive the ones that you actually have to read in half to look into because we're so quick to just swipe through the positive like all this persona herald bad or something and so you have to just take everything with a grain of salt and realize it's not real sonar realm after literally every damn just like this is not real life yeah. This fox's walks is not real ish yeah. That's the thing is it's not real. Sometimes you don't realize until you get off of it. Yeah like i have time where i'm just like the way for me. I can literally feel everybody on it. Yeah you're dressed jesse and then there are so many times roman instagram like how is everyone living. Their best lies like this. Everyone has a professional photographer with them like everyone's going on trips and like i always love seeing those little memes of people when they're like holding a picture in there like it looks like they're in front of mountain in. It's really a picture frame like i love that. Stop because it is true. It's like we show you what we want you to see and you kind of have to realize that you're more than that so if someone comments on the little bit of their life that you let them see like your don't sign for them i love that you say about you have to realize that you're more than that because i can trace back to just different points in my life for had let go of identities outside of something like when i i decided not to be in the fitness world anymore like i had to realize. I was so much more than my body yet live i. I was losing my mind for real oh like afterward because if i wasn't getting recognized that i didn't i didn't yet value in other things ray myself because it was the first time i really got attention or achievement especially especially for someone like you or for different women who really start to get attention for one like kind of your life and yet your personality while you are are you. You're also playing a different character. Write out there. So how do you make sure that you're kind of like investing in other parts of you so that when this is done on or you've moved on from it that you are still valuing who you are. <hes> you know i always had i don't like to so i have a plan b and a plan c. Plan d. but i don't want to focus on those only because if i focusing on danby i'm taking away from planning mentally but you know i went to school for diabetics in so i know if i wanted to. I could do something with dietary stuff dietitian. You know that's my true passion of what i really wanna do eventually after i want to open up like a halfway house for people with with eating disorders and mental remember like when i was going through it you're either hospitalized or outpatient area. There was no happy medium and i want somewhere where where people can just come in kinda halfway because that's what i needed at a vacuum just like help impacts in not kind of sense <hes>. That's kinda into like really what i focused on because i'm not like i'm not super fashionable. I mean martin yoga pants pleasure to agree three weeks. I have had time to do laundry sorry but but like we were like oh i want to start <unk>. I just wanna be kinda like me and you know. I love acting so maybe that's something i would try to pursue one day out but i think i just wanna use this platform to show. You know be that something for someone yeah. That makes sense totally. I have one last question for you. When you're about to die. We're going okay when you're about to die. You literally can only leave one message and it's on billboard so there's enough room but people could read on billboard and it's one message about life in general that you have learned but you've kind of categorized up in. It's not in the future. It's literally death a right now. What's a message that you would leave people so only message that you could possibly find find. It sounds cheesy but i would say happiness i because i've been in a lotta situations. Whether it's relationships are working. Stop where if you don't put your happiness. I nothing else in life goes right because if you're happy it changes the whole world around you but if you're not a negatively changes the whole world around deal so i would say put your happiness i the twenty percent well billboard man. I'm so grateful. Thank you some rain. I loved it. I loved getting annoying like there's a million other things. They were just gonna stop there so thank you so thank you. Thank you guys so much for spending this time with me on on me. Earn your happy podcast. I am so glad that you stopped by. If you could take one second to share this episode with someone you think would love it. That would be absolutely amazing and we would be forever. Grateful also please leave us a review. If you feel so moved by going to i tunes and leaving us an honest thought and honest comment. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you want to hear. More of it would really help us out on our journey to helping thousands is an thousands of people until then don't forget to earn your happy thanksgiving guys bye bye uh-huh.

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No Charges Against Rochester Police Officers Involved in Daniel Prudes Death

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03:33 min | 5 months ago

No Charges Against Rochester Police Officers Involved in Daniel Prudes Death

"The charges against rochester police officers involved in daniel prude's death by michael hill and caroline thompson. Police officers shown on body camera video holding daniel prude down naked and handcuffed on a city street last winter until he stopped. Breathing will not face criminal charges. According to a grand jury decision announced. Tuesday the forty one year old black man's last march sparked nightly protests in rochester. New york after the video was released. Nearly six months later with demonstrators demanding a reckoning for police and city officials state attorney general letitia james whose office took over the prosecution and impaneled a grand. Jury said she was extremely disappointed and would meet with prude's brother criminal justice advocates and faith leaders in rochester to devise a plan to fight for a more just system. While i know that the prude family the rochester community and communities around the country will rightfully be devastated and disappointed. We have to respect this decision. James said in a prepared release. Serious reform is needed. Not only at the rochester police department but to our criminal justice system as a whole lawyers for the seven police officers suspended over. Prude's death app said. The officers were strictly following their training that night employing restraining technique known as segmenting they claimed prude's use of pcp which caused irrational behavior was the root cause of his death. The video made public on september. Fourth shows prude handcuffed and naked with a spit hood over his head as officer pushes his face against the ground. While another officer presses a knee to his back the officers held him down for about two minutes until he stopped breathing. He was taken off life support a week later. The county medical examiner listed the manner of death as homicide caused by complications of asphyxia in the setting of physical restraint and cited. Pcp as a contributing factor prude's family filed a federal lawsuit. Alleging the police department sought to cover up the true nature of his death. Officers troy tolliday. Paul ricotta francisco santiago andrew specs score josaia harris and mark. Vaughn along with sergeant michael. Mcgrady were suspended. After prude's death became public democratic mayor. Lovely warren fired police. Chief la'ron singletary shortly. After the video's release while rejecting calls from demonstrators. That she resigned. Single terry has said in legal papers that warren told him to lie to support her assertion that she hadn't learned of prude's death until months later and fired him for his refusal to do so. A city. spokesperson said his version of events confirms. Warren never saw the video until august. Warren announced a run for a third term in january and pleaded not guilty in october to an unrelated indictment alleging. She broke campaign finance rules and committed fraud. The city's public integrity office found no ethical lapses by the mayor in a narrow review of prude's death the city halted its investigation into prude's death when james office began its own investigation in april under new york law. Deaths of unarmed people in police custody are typically turned over to the attorney general's office rather than handled by local officials.

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Ep.11 | Jim

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06:34 min | 4 months ago

Ep.11 | Jim

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Video Shows Police Put Hood on Black Man Before He Suffocated

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06:46 min | 11 months ago

Video Shows Police Put Hood on Black Man Before He Suffocated

"Video in black man's. Chose police putting a hood on him by Michael Hill. A black man who had run naked through the streets of western New York. City died of asphyxiation after a group of police officers put a hood over his head then pressed his face into the pavement for two minutes according to video and records released Wednesday by the man's family. Daniel prude died march thirtieth after he was taken off life support seven days after the encounter with police in. Rochester. His death received public attention until Wednesday when his family held a news conference and released police body camera video, and written reports, they obtained through a public records request. I placed a phone call for my brother to get help not for my brother to get lynched prudes brother. Joe prude said at a news conference. How did you see him and not directly say the man is defenseless buck naked on the ground coughed up already come on. How many more brothers got a die for society to understand that this needs to stop. The videos show. who had taken off his clothes complying when police ask him to get on the ground and put his hands behind his back prude is agitated and shouting as he sits on the pavement and hand comes for a few moments as a light snowfalls. GimMe your gun need it. He shouts then. They put a white spit hood over his head, a device intended to protect officers from detainees saliva. At the time New York was in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic. PRUDE demands they remove it. Then the officers slam prudes head into the street one officer who is white holds his head down against the pavement with both hands saying calm down and stop spitting. Another officer places a knee on his back. Trying to kill me Prut says his voice becoming muffled and anguish under the hood. Okay Stop. I need it. I need it. The prone man begs before his shots turned to whimpers and grunts. The officers appear to become concerned after stops moving fall silent and they noticed water coming out of prudes mouth. By man you puking one says. One officer notes that he's been out naked in the street for some time. Another remarks, he feels pretty cold. Has had had been held down by an officer for just over two minutes. The video shows the officers, then remove the hood and his handcuffs and medics can then be seen performing CPR before he's loaded into an ambulance. Spit hoods have been scrutinized as a factor in the deaths of several prisoners in the US and other countries. In recent years, a medical examiner concluded that proves death was a homicide caused by complications of fixture in the setting of physical restraint. The report lists excited delirium and acute intoxication by Finn, Cycle Dean or PCP as contributing factors. PRUDE was from Chicago and had just arrived in Rochester for a visit with his brother he was kicked off the train before it got to Rochester and Pew. Due to his unruly behaviour according to an internal affairs investigators report Rochester police officers took prude into custody for a mental health evaluation around seven PM on March twenty second for suicidal thoughts about eight hours before the encounter that led to his death. But his brother said, he was only at the hospital for a few hours according to the reports. Police responded again after Joe prude called nine one one at about three am to report that his brother had left his house. The city halted its investigation into prudes death when State Attorney General Latisha James's Office began its own investigation in April under New York. Law Deaths of unarmed people in police custody are often turned over to the Attorney General's office rather than handled by local officials. James said Wednesday that investigation is continuing. I, want everyone to understand that at no point in time. Did we feel that this was something that we wanted not to disclose Rochester? Mayor Lovely Warren. Said at a press briefing we are precluded from getting involved in it until that agency has completed their investigation. One officer wrote that they put the hood on prude because he was spitting continuously in the direction of officers and they were concerned about corona virus activists demanded that officers involved be prosecuted on murder charges and that they be removed from the department while the investigation proceeds. The police have shown us over and over again that they are not equipped to handle individuals with mental health concerns, these officers are trained to kill and not to deescalate these officers are trained to ridicule. Instead of supporting Mr Daniel prude Ashley Gant of free. The people are see said at the news conference with proves family. Calls to the Union representing Rochester police officers, and to the organizations attorney rang unanswered Wednesday protesters, gathered Wednesday outside Rochester's public safety building, which serves as police headquarters. Free the people are OC said, several of its organizers were briefly taken into custody after they entered the building while Warren was speaking to the media they were released on appearance tickets said Iman Bead regional director of the NYC L. U., who was among those taken into custody. Demonstrators later gathered at the spot where proved died chanting dancing and praying they stayed late into the night. PRUDE known to his big Chicago based family by the nickname rail was a father of five adult children and had been working at a warehouse within the last year said his aunt literally more. He was just a bright loving person family oriented always there for us when we needed him, she said and hurt or harmed anybody. PRUDE had been traumatized by the deaths of his mother and a brother in recent years having lost another brother before that. Moore, said in his last months he'd been going back and forth between his Chicago home and his brother's place in Rochester because he wanted to be close with them she said. She knew her nephew. Psychological. Issues still when he called the two days before his death, he was the normal rail that I knew Moore said. I didn't know what was the situation why he was going through what he was going through that night but I know he didn't deserve to be killed by the police she said. The fatal encounter happens two months before the death of George Floyd and Minnesota prompted nationwide demonstrations. Floyd died when an officer put his knee on his neck for several minutes during an arrest.

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The Replacements Pt. 2 with Matt Wallace & Tony Berg

The Rhino Podcast

54:08 min | 1 year ago

The Replacements Pt. 2 with Matt Wallace & Tony Berg

"Ladies and gentlemen records retired plate spinners and millennials who want to impress their parents with their record collections. Welcome to the Rhino cast. PODCAST brought brought to you by Rhino records get ready for new releases detracts and conversations with your favorite artists and bands and balloons for the kiddies. And now your host with the most which may have and Dennis the minutes on today's episode of the Rhino podcast. We have part two of our replacements doubleheader double header with Deadman's pop producers Bob Maher and Jason Jones speaking with Matt Wallace and Tony Berg the original producers for. Don't tell a soul it's not uh-huh hey rich Dennis. Did you know that I can predict the future. I did not know that I can predict what you'll be doing in about five seconds. What's that you will be looking at Rhino Dot Com? It's true well I'm on there quite a bit because I'm looking for the latest info to see see what's going on in the world of Rhino Music. Of course the podcast that we produce live there. There's the album of the day. There's artis playlists including the new Duran. Duran Dan playlists that just posted. You can go check out and you can find out all about upcoming rhino releases including the new fleetwood MAC colored alert vinyl box set covers their albums from seventy five to nineteen eighty seven every albums a different color kind of cool. There's The van Halen Japanese single goal seven inch red vinyl box set which kyw want that. I'm losing it so cool. It has all of the original Japanese artwork. Everything during the David Lee Roth era that was released in Japan vessel. Grateful dead ready or not is coming down the pike and this is an album a compilation appellation of live performances of songs. That would have been on the next grateful dead studio album so late. The Era Garcia Hunter Compositions deadheads are gonNA love this one. I know I will for sure. And of course for you. Seasonal music aficionados. We have two. You knew Christmas albums coming out. There's a new Christmas album from Chicago. Aptly titled Christmas and Los Lobos has their first ever Christmas album entitled Yego Navidad and it is awesome. Los Lobos fans. You'RE GONNA love this one. It sounds so cool but Dennis. Why don't you tell the folks we have in store for them on this episode of the Rhino podcast? Well part two of the replacements deadman's pop up which was basically the way to get the original. Don't tell a soul out there in its original form with and this is Rhino of course all sorts of extra goodies. Yeah you got eleven anytime. There's a deluxe edition from Rhino. You know you're going to be getting all kinds of behind the scenes unreleased unreleased material and this set deadman's pop is no exception. It sounds amazing. The Matt Wallace mixes the way the album was supposed has to be. which if you listen to Tommy Stinson episode or you? Didn't you have to hear how he talks about how that all went down. Today's episode food is really cool to listen to you matt's fans you're going to get the inside history about the making of this record why. The band ended up not really liking it and why a lot of fans think it doesn't represent the band's kind of ethos and what they did to correct it for this new release. Today we have boxed set producers Sir Bob Maher and Rhinos Jason Jones. Anr who produced deadman's pop. which is this new deluxe edition and they speak with Tony? Edberg and Matt Wallace. who were the original to producers of? Don't tell us all to quote a track. It is a major talent show. They rundown for us. Exactly what happened. Tell some of these outrageous stories about you know the the replacements behavior in and out of the studios notorious for good reason. Listen and we get all the fun stuff in this one for sure without further ado. Let's get into this deep discussion about deadman's pop Skill to Dobson. It is sir. Hello and welcome to the Rhino podcast. I'm Bob Mayor Author of trouble boys the true story of the replacements and I'm also the CO producer of the new replacements box set from Rhino titled Deadman's pop as a four CD one L. P. set which chronicles the replacements nineteen eighty-nine album. Don't tell Seoul and includes producer. Matt Wall says new mix of the record a disc of rarities including the bears Ville sessions produced by Tony. Berg unreleased duets with Tom. Tom Waits and a double live album. The complete incarcerated. I'm joined here today by my co producer on deadman's pop and Rhinos Director of our Jason Jones Jason. Hey so so Jason and I spent much of this past. You're working on this project. And today we have convened something of a unique and historic summit. Bring together both of the producers. Who worked on on this record with the replacements? Joining us in the studio are Matt Wallace and Tony Berg Matt of course Produce the release record and was finally this year given a chance to mix. Don't and tell us all about thirty one years after the fact In addition to his work with the replacements and with Paul Westerberg as a solo artist mattis produced half dozen albums for faith. No more including their breakthrough through the real thing and he's worked with everyone from Maroon five to John Hiatt Rem. Tony is in St Musician. Producer and record executive. His resume includes projects by Michael Pan. Pan Eighty precale public image. X Squeeze Andrew Bird and phoebe bridges among others at Geffen and Virgin. Tony was also instrumental in helping sign. Artists like Beck Black rebel motorcycle club and at the drive-in so I'm very happy to have Matt Antoni joining us. Welcome thank you So as we kind of Approach the idea of bringing these two producers together to talk about this I sorta sounding them out and having known both of them from working on the book and I thought well as I'm going to have to see if they both want to do this and I don't even know. Do they know each other. And it turns out they actually know each other pretty well because their neighbors so t tell me a little bit. It would be much better drama if we were one another's nemeses embassy's but we're actually quite good friends and we see each other every day because our studios are twenty feet apart fiennes right across the parking lot and in fact Tony I. We've we've known each other. In the periphery and obviously I knew him by name when he worked on the original version of don't tell a soul but actually are deeper connection is a mutual friend. Josh Clayton Felt Antonia had Headey Wake at his house for Josh. So we were kind of in kind of closer bonded on that so you know well you know one of the things is I kind of look back back through your resumes and and you're kind of personal. Histories are actually some similarities. You both actually started out as musicians before Producing no matt. You're a pretend musician Antonia's room you just you know you're starting as historic as you were just started a little studio in your garage to record your own band and then sort of got sidetracked. Doing other people's I love hearing and of course Tony was a very st musician and working the Carson Ranger for Jack Nici Bette Midler many other folks and then the other thing looking at your resumes. Is that you you know. The artist name is quite a range of of artists. You know different genres and styles neither one of you sort of specialists in a particular genre most kind of done that and I don't know with that comes from being musicians or being you know having a song based approach talk a little bit. I'm curious to well. I mean I'll just for myself when I was thirteen thousand bands and we were kind of doing like Black Sabbath Stephanie. h-how's into really heavy stuff but also my ear was really pulled into into pop radio and so I was listening to black Sabbath also so big carpenters fan. So am I my I I think kind of book in my my discography between the brutal in the beautiful because I worked with stuff. That's really heavy ugly and relatively unpleasant to listen to. And then there's stuff stuff that's really melodic and pop so that's Kinda where I'm from and And as me being a musician I think there's two people in the world there's those who own instruments in those who can play them. I'm the former. I think Tony. Tony t tell me a little bit again how you got involved so this is early. Nineteen eighty eight and you are kind of had made the transition transition to becoming a full time producer from a musician arranger and it worked with some baby bands broken homes and Had Gotten Michael Penn.. I think even at that point already gotten him at a record deal all right and Bruce Hornsby and Eric Johnson. But I had just begun producing and I got a strange phone call from from a wonderful guy. Michael Hill works at worked at warners and our New York and He said you know what would you. You'd be interested in working with the replacements I said Oh yes I would he said. Well maybe you and Paul should have phone conversation and see where that leads and so we talked on the phone and Paul said. Why don't you send me a list of songs artists records that you think were unheralded but that might have deserved much more credit so I sent him a note and I listed ten things that were fairly fairly obscure? Do you remember what they are boy. I don't man to spend too long but I sent the note at the bottom. I broke look I I hope these resonate with you. I hope you like these and if not you can go fuck yourself and of course I got a phone call about twelve hours later. Come to New York and the band so I met in their office. They managers offices in New York City Gary and Russ managers and the four guys were there and we're talking it's a bit of a blur. It was I think in the morning and they were drinking beers at around eleven and I said something I I don't even remember what but Paul reached over pulled my shoe off port a beer in it held it up and said you're our man and and sweet the beer from my show and third place and so it began You know I I. I don't know if this is correct that I saw after the fact so they had played some some shows in December of eighty seven. And there's some photos of them with Ian maclagan and John DOE and this would have been right after they had shave their eyebrows. And I think you might have been backstage stage. That show fat. Yes but I didn't shave my thinking but that would have been the first. Maybe you cross paths with them briefly. Strangely both guys Ian was a close friend and John continues to be So you were. I think at that time working with Charlie Sexton on a record bears Ville and I was Bob Clear Mountain so you were up there and there was some of this is now kind of May or or thereabouts of eighty eight and I think they wanted to try and get the record done so that hopefully you could have it out in the fall but you know as it turned out. It didn't come out to the following year but so the decision was made one way or the other two you had an opening I think and they said come up. They want to get started. I think yes what happened was normally. I'm the real stickler on pre-production right spending a lot of time with the artist in this case we were doing Charlie's album at bears Ville and he was pulled away for ten Sundays He had to go do something and suddenly Russ was. We have to go. Go come on. Let's just use that time and you can and do it at Bears Hill right. I said yes looking back. I realized I should have been better prepared. I don't mean musically psychologically right right for what would become the Maelstrom right that was soon to arrive and you had you heard any stories about them beforehand. Yes they also be better prepared. I don't think that's possible on us. You're really don't well. You were clearly better prepared than I. Well the thing that you kind of back story or context thanks for this is obviously there was a tremendous amount of pressure internally on the band To have a success in their third major label record their seventh overall all the band had been together ten years and they sort of constantly been sort of flirting with success. The previous record to done well but kind of fallen short of expectations and there was a sense. Both I think externally within Warner brothers in the management but even more so internally that the clock was ticking on the band and the dynamics of the band after ten years you know any band. It's hard to be kind of on diverge for ten years and never really breakthrough so I think there was a tremendous amount of that in the background. which probably nobody was hard to be aware of? Maybe going in there were two things is that we're play. That affected me profoundly one. I heard the songs my and when I heard a to be darling one and I'll be you. I knew I was being presented with just stunning material. And the second thing is we all went out to dinner in New York one night there were a a number of us at the table and someone at the table was picking on. Tommy and I watched Paul tear that person apart and that person didn't even see what was happening but I had so much respect for for that because a band is club right and if they don't look out for one another it can quite easily fragment and fall apart and I just saw a real love for his bandmates and in talk a little bit about going up to bears. I mean one of the things that the ban points as to why things ultimately fell apart. Is that the environment of bears. Ville these were city boys in the country to great extent to set the scene. A little bit of yet it was greenacres. Yeah well you know it's a funny thing It's this bucolic setting it's an idyllic paradise it's one of the great studios in the world albeit not the kind of place they were used to all right and They had a barn in which you would louis and rehearse before you went into the big room and we got in I think three days of her hersal and I could could tell there was something deeply miss because I'm very prone to get deep into the songs and the arrangements so Paul Paul and I spent a lot of time talking about re harmonization and lyrics. Does this couplet stand up to the rest of the song long and would happen if we rian vert this cord and and it was wonderful but I see or I saw soon thereafter her that that was threatening to the band. I don't think they had experienced that before so I didn't do a good job of integrating all four members into that process and I think I should have sensed that I should have been more inclusive in that process dropping. I I I do remember to moments one on the Song Albi you. There was a lyric Paul Sang. I'll tell you what will we do and I said that's intentional. Right Paul he said. Oh yes I thought boy. This is a real writer fucking with Syntax and and and devices that writer has at his disposal. The Cure will twelve now mm-hmm so when you get up there you're working with the band I think your idea was you were using some Sony kind of coordinate. Yes we were I had recently purchased. What was then the brand new Sony Digital multi-track Thirty three twenty four and and Everything was going great but Our engineer was not familiar with the machine. And you had to actually actually striped the tape before you could use it. And we didn't entire reels recording and he hadn't striped so basically we hadn't recorded for about an hour and the half of what we thought we were recording. That was a bad moment and look I was responsible and things were. I don't even know how to describe it. It's like describing being mauled by a lion. It was just chaos but in the midst of all this it was sounding I thought quite wonderful right it would vacillate between exhilaration of getting a take that everyone was excited by or my listening sning waller tracking in hearing a racket going on during a song and then seeing that Paul had completely smashed his guitar bits while we were recording the song right so that coupled with their destroying the housing the studio car my right hand hand left knee right. It was turned it. Was My bar Mitzvah. Each one thousand talk a little bit of the Tony About actually record. 'em You were mostly recording live essentially right yes Portland is probably the most involved recording. We did and I thought perhaps it was the superior song that he had played. But it was a really interesting concept for song which is to say it acknowledges that when you say you're going to do something you are indebted to the people to whom you made that promise and it's a song about doing it even though you're hating it and that's borne out by the fact that as the song is fading out Tommy is inexplicably playing bongos on this country song which I loved and as it's fading out you just hear Paul say Portland Portland. We're sorry. Give a little bit of the context behind Portland. Yeah you know the replacements Paul one of the great things about about him. I think Ian Hunter or other writers and that kind of rock and roll menu. He mythologised is the band from the very first record You know I hate music retox. Ah You know. I can't sing Tommy camp. Bob Can't play all this sort of stuff. And then later they had a song it was originally a good retitled the ballot of the replacements which is called the treatment bound which is on hootenanny. Nanak talks about you know just their their travails of being a band going through these little cities in the upper midwest. And what happens in in a sense. Portland is kind of update of that you you know seven eight years hence And The testament to that is in the version that is on the box set. DEADMAN's pop there. We put a little rundown where they're kind of working it up and going through it and as playing the courts. The Portland Tommy. In the background is is singing. The first lines of treatment bound. So there's a sort of you know real connection Little Easter egg for you guys out there Airport as we get into kind of the session so you really Ah. I think there's always been for many years. Misnomer like they made this complete record and bears Ville and it got show which wasn't the case. It was just sort of a kind of pre production and really elevated Demos Mohsen kind of feeling feeling things out it was a very strange process. that was at once I felt successful full but I was kind of finding my footing with them. I know that one of the two managers was extremely displeased. least with what he was hearing and During the same period the band had been contacted. By how Wilner About about doing a song for a Disney compilation called stay awake and we cut the song. Crew Ella Deville of course. Paul substituted some lyrics. Were a wall a little a little a little blue if you will and we had to go to Minneapolis to re-cut that song right really so we booked I. I may be changing changing the chronology. You'd like but the story is an interesting one and up for debate as to the veracity but we booked a couple of days at Paisley Park. re-cut Crew Ellen de Ville and before this session we met at the bar that they always went to the CC club now quite a place And we're sitting around talking and it's it's feeling Very Edgy the conversation Anything I said was being met with contempt and finally I turn to Tommy and I said Said Look. Are you sabotaging this album. And he said yes and I said why. And he said because you're too a young to produce the replacements and I stood up and I said I'll see you later and that was the last time I saw them well. And that's sort of preceded. We should say that was kind of the the upshot of where the sessions ended. You've done this ten days and bears Ville with the intention of reconvening reconvening and as you hear on the box cut a lot of some different songs. There's actually a a a song on there. That's previously unreleased lasting the world featuring Tommy on Bongo Tommy on but but talk a little bit. I mean it's taken on some myth and possibly some exaggeration as to how things went south again obviously they were at a point internally and being in the woods I think after awhile all sort of got to them I think in the in the in the liner notes I quote you as saying it was my favorite thing it was like producing. Pirates was not the Pittsburgh it it was you know. I think I just wasn't prepared. And ultimately I think they did did the right thing. I think it was a lesson for me in learning that an album is the artist's album and it's important mm to accommodate that that isn't to say that you just let everything runamuck but you have to recognize who the artist is and how you help that artist and I just was a little green law eh this days. Aw so now on this box set in the interesting thing about the bears villepreux's tracksuit Jason Agree with me in this. There is a mix of things you're hearing kind of and I think one of the rare opportunities with with West Bergen with replacements. You're hearing the songs evolve. There are sort sort of different tempos. Different arrangement still kind of working evolving versions that you hear sort of then refined or changed and that's such a rare peek into his creative process. A here is something changes or there's like straight acoustic version of like they're blind young or the law really raw version. Yes I do too close to see they own mind. Joe started into It's the the arrangement of rock and roll goes to his Paul Acoustic Tommy on base and then in Oregon again yes has a very like rolling Stone Ish vibe to at the very end you say to Paul that's a real performance and he goes thanks but that's like the it's a real magic moment where you hear praise affirmation in dismissal uh-huh nicely as a model And a real performance was great. It's all good. Thanks you know as Matt will attest he almost didn't survive experience either. It might have just been the transitioning to kind of Matt so Obviously thinks the the the the the record with Tony Sorta didn't come together to now. It's the summer Mer of eighty-eight they start looking for producers the idea of kind of getting it out and eighty eight is is pretty well shot so they have to kind of start from scratch at this point you know. They've gone through two records where where they had gone through a lot of producers. The interesting thing I think at that time is the idea of the alternative rock or sort of Indie rock. Major label type producer. hadn't quite come together. I mean there was at that point alternative bands for like replacements. were either using sort of old classic rock guys. Sandy Perlman's working with Dream Syndicate and in class and so forth And there was like folks like yourselves who were still very young at that time. You know and budding in in in that World Scott Litt in that group but there wasn't an obvious obvious you know they were going they were trying to get Jimmy Miller to produce or you know the kinds of people or going with young guys in this case with this record it was it was sort of young guys and I think the accents sort of shifts also so from The band being very New York base because Michael Hill was there an arm for Warner brothers. via sire and then Kinda shifted Lenny Warner got involved in which is how. How kind of Matt comes into the picture? At that point. You were I guess at just you've done a bunch of projects for slash. You're almost like a house producer for slash. At that time. I had just nine hundred at the beginning. One Thousand Eight. I was a I moved to L. A. to be a step producer and anr person for slash records and Prior that they Roberta Peterson had had hired me to produce this new monkeys track And it was just a fluke because they were trying to revitalize the whole monkeys can enter the whole concept. And so I did this one track. No I've never heard the word cannon new munchies because if you listen to some of that monkey stuff there's actually some incredible writing with your Neil diamond this amazing amazing you're under the guise of kind of pop bubblegum band. There's actually some real songs there. So we did the song and it was kind of a fluke and end up being the single and here. I'm this like outlier and produced the single. But I think somehow became on the The raiders of Warner Brothers. Lenny worker like worked with me. Roberta was was my kind of a champion there. So that's how it kind of started and that was actually the thing that Kinda got me the replacements Gig because dip and up point time. I'd done the only thing I had added. Any impact was faith no more song. We care a lot and that was the only thing I had going for me so I think it was jam. Thank you but I think we the places you have to either be the super absolutely talented have tremendous track record or be an absolute nobody and at that point in time I really was just kind of a guy who wasn't really recognized denies but I think Lenny in talking to him he saw I think in you also somebody who could sort of Was Song Person Very Song Bay. I think in fact Michael Hill Hill. After the sessions were over he played some the bears. Little stuff forlani in that really is. What brought Lenny to kind of being kind of you know rabbi figure for Yes replacements in there today in our world and that sort of is where you came in Lenny? Really kind of brought you in this is to that is to say. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm working with these bands. You know because I came from kind of pop even though with faith no more but my my underpinnings and foundation where pop and I don't want to do with these bans he goes. You're the guy who can slightly bring them towards center. You get these and with your her influence. You can kind of bring them gently to this place. I think that's kind of all to happen. And by the way the only reason I was even successful record is the what you did Tony First of all you really established kind of path to go down and I remember distinctly hearing your rough mixes when they're looking for other producers and I had some friends ends at live in studio city. I used to walk up and down these streets with my cassette and my walkman listening to your rough mixes and trying to get myself kind of steeped in what you had established as is a kind of a foundation almost pivotal place for those guys. So then you get this opportunity work with them in there like with Tony. I think there was a call right where you had with all all that was I sort of content and so I'm working at slash records and they sit this phone call with with Paul Westerberg and and you know he can we talk and he goes You Know I. I knew that. The new monkees was kind of that. My entree into make any sense and he goes. Yeah you know we like to drink a bit and I said well. I'm I'm well aware by. I don't drink at all so we'll get along famously. And I've seen their shows I've seen them kind of just fall apart and just basically burned the stage down and so Yummy I just jumped on board but I do think that you soften the landing bed. What's interesting is that? They thought you were too. Who Young? Well I was a few years younger than you so and it was the kind of thing because slim had actually done that. We you know we one tonight. We end up going into the rainbow after three days recording and a lot of drinking and he just pulled his face up against mine and he goes. You don't know shit you know I I fuck you. You're too young for those record and finally said Fuck. You just started enough of this shit you know. Listen they did. They took a marker. Oh yeah yeah so we go to the Rainbow Room. We're seeing I. I think their whole ideas that you have to put down. Let Down Your Guard. Yeah so you really say what you think about each other drunken version of a Wednesday night. Who is our third day and Bev Jones or engineer? We all decide okay. We'll go drink because we're not going to drink while we're working. And so we sat down and they start drinking. Tommy takes giant felt marker puts my pant leg and runs up across my shirt and down across my pants and this is my favorite shirt. I kinda dressed up to go out a little bit and I was like. Oh my God so I started drawing on him and it just became this thing just kind of falls apart and slim's literally threatening me in there and he's got his face against mine you know and and I find that fuck you you know. I'm not one of these and so the bartender he's cleaning going guys okay. I'm like Oh my God you know. So the next ext Dave course slim forgot everything I guess if he blacked out but he forgot but he was nicer and our NGO walked in three hours late and I could see when he walked in by the look in his eye he goes. I'm out and so now. I'm producing and engineering this train. That's careening off a cliff. And he was so silly. You know slim. Paul came out first and we started working on their blind. And then Tommy Amy and Slim and Tommy and Chris come out later and we go to Musso. Franks were. Were meeting each other Michael Hill outlets meet each other. We're talking this is really great and you know. Get into the band as we're walking down Hollywood boulevard right. That's what it's on. Yep and so you know I hadn't really said much the Tommy at all and we're walking down Hollywood boulevard and Tommy goes you no I think about you know. And he's and he spits right in front of me on the street. I'm like okay this is GonNa be. This is before you actually actually done any work. I just met And I was just like Oh my God this is really going to be like wrestling with a with an alligator Alan so matt you get in there. You're now the scene is sort of shift from upstate. New York in the woods to sort of Hollywood working to Cherokee primarily doing the tracking. You guys do end up doing some vocals capital and then took the record back to Paisley Park. Where the story sort of brings us to Dennis? Papa talk a little bit about working at Cherokee so tony was working kind of with a new sort of digital system cutting live in a sort of foreign environment them. This was maybe a little bit more sort of On their dishes Yummy I hadn't gotten to the The approach I would stand by the machine ready to record and it sometimes Ah You know if I was working with an engineer. They'd be frustrated. 'cause I'd start recording before. They got the snare sound. Or whatever and I just knew that there was a moment you could feel you can kind of feel the band start to rise and fall fall inside would sit there and go hit record and you can hear e on data churches go pogo. We should be rolling now. I was rolling fifteen seconds before because I was like oh I could sense it and so what. What the trick? Production with these guys was you get to take didn't work. So you hit rewind. And you're hoping that you rewind in time before they start recording and so I'd be wind and I hit a record. Wait rewind against it was really because those tapes are only good for sixteen minutes right and so I was always just in tune with the. They're gonNA hopefully get this this this thing so I was on analog tape and for better for worse I was just ready to kind of capture hearings and that was that was really it. You know and you did try in the same way I tried to do. Some rehearsals. reproductions you guys started that way. But you found that wasn't yeah we went to S- S I r and the the only thing I remember about and this is unfortunately true. The only thing we're about is Paul go into the wastebasket basket to. It's going to the bathroom you know and I eh. That was just like this thing. I mean it's really like basically trying to keep marbles from rolling down a hill you know you're just like Oh my God. Oh my God and I think the thing is if you're working with a senior with Paul that's one thing you can kind of marshal your forces and try to be preemptive in capture it but then you also have to have this Paul's if Paul is Earth Tommy is the moon and that's it's really important to the title movement of this this band and so there's that but on top of that you've got slim who's new to the Being part of the ban who becomes it's kind of this defacto bulldog protector of Paul but at a point where he's really pushing outward and being aggressive. So you're juggling. These three guys and then Chris was just like solid and he played and he didn't. He's the only guy who who was never like unkind to me and the other guys are and unperturbed nothing and actually the and in time because they used to accuse him of being my God. You know Christmas like lagging. He's not on. He's playing with this. He's lagging and you listen back. And he's on time and what I do because I didn't have digital all the guitars and all the based on top of the beat and I would after they would leave. I would take the guitar track singularly. Run it through. Google is on instead it back. Twenty thirty forty milliseconds to put it in time and say they were the base and you and of course like you know you miss with your cars. I'M GONNA kick your ass you know I would be threatened consistently of having my ass kicked uh-huh aw there is. I think an an talking to Michael Hill. Who actually came out? I think for the start of the sessions out here because he was now worried. They've spent money they've time has you. You know gone by. They want to get this record out. It's very pivotal record. So I think he started out here and I think the first couple weeks was pretty. Rough was the rougher part patch for you and You know I remember asking Michael. So he started to think when things were going south with Matt. It's like is this just impossible or they unpredictable and there was no playbook to deal with this stuff. What was is it for you? That and and of course you went onto have relationship with Paulie cutters for Solo record and remained friends with them and all that sort of stuff. What was I? Guess the thing that turned it at least to a certain point to where you could finish making the record you know as you say that there was a that first couple of weeks you were. I was ready to quit every single day for the first two weeks. I'd go home to my girlfriend Lisa and I would just say screw this. I'm just I'm just not going to do this. And I think what Tony had mentioned early on the sons were so good and Paul was such an an essential important American songwriter that I hung in there but the pivotal moment because these these guys drove ice to pick them up in my eighty. Two Honda Accord that the Holy Roosevelt and dry them to Cherokee and driving them back and so one day. I think it was like a Friday own. I would drive them to pick up booze and apparently also got cocaine. I didn't know about but I remember. It was like the second Friday. I was driving them back when I do. These handbrake turns with my car like you know. Turn the wheel and pull the handwriting's can split around and those guys were in the back seat and I think Paul is in the front and I was just tired of this shit and we were coming to a stop light and actually gunned it and I pull the thing and and they they like. What are you doing their grandma? What the fuck fuck you guys? I was just like I got to the point where I decided that I was going to make the record whether or not any of them survived. I was GonNa make got to that point. I knew I could do it. He threw a scare into them. And I just I remember talking to Michael Hill and he said Yeah. We weren't certain you're going to be able to survive this thing and I decided that moment that I was going to outlast them. Yeah then I can make the record well also you prove proved to them that like you were more dangerous than a man is his most dangerous when he has nothing to live. But that's truly true because I I didn't push so far and it was an opportunity for you probably same as it was for you at that point you know and so like you really wanted it. But then you're faced with this impossible thing so it was kind of the stakes. Were maybe more heightened than they would have been for somebody else who could just walk away from say. I'll just make the next record with thirty but I was willing to lose the record that point time because I invested so much I really WanNa make a great record and I was tired their antics and I also want them to know that I I will leave this. I'm done with this And I think you know at at some point this. This is part of the I think in your book to illustrate these guys that we make these recordings on analog and cut to master reels right side cut the actual two inch and have have a master wheel of three songs and other master wheel with their whole ideas that they don't want anybody to hear them at their worst like when they're really drunk and they're sloppy so they found they got all the outtakes and they decided to bulk race. All the outtakes so they did that they found out that you can actually listen to a little bit of track twelve and thirteen so they had you know Abbasi our our assistant as your he made. They made him put him on the machine and arm all the tracks and wipe everything well while they decided that I literally. This is no exaggeration. I had a stack of. You've four two inch reels. And I sat on them while they grabbed all these outtakes and they're running around all three four guys around there a racing stuff and I'm literally Lee sitting them. There's a song called. We know the night that we lost we had a gorgeous in right a twenty-four check gorgeous. We know the night that I thought could be on the record and they wiped wiped it and because they're another loss classic causing them but because I was literally sitting on the real they're running around me. I mean that was one of those. I have to Hang Nautilus record physically and that was another moment. You both get medals for this We don't know the pain of Ostrov Eh. So when you get back to Paisley to Minneapolis doing some final overdose on the record what is is your sense I mean have you kind of gotten what you wanted. You've nailed it and you think we're there and you're just in a way. This record was a lot more. You and pollen slim at the beginning and the end Kind of Working on it's a talk a little bit about sure to wear your head was at sort of going into the finish. I mean for me it was always just kind of A. I felt like a salmon. Swimming extremo's always struggling to corral and marshal their forces and making the best record ever and I think that the thing that was Kind of an indicator of what else up against against that. Our First David Paisley you know they had to refurbish. API and they'd just gone through all this trouble. To Re you know put recap it may just be gorgeous. And I'm I'm an exaggeration our very first day where ten minutes walking in and Paul spills. Tumbler Jack Daniels across sixteen channels of failures. And I mean this is just like a microcosm of making in this record where a point I believe in Bakersville. He was dancing on the console. The nieve the channel but but but that but that was really one of their kind of anthems was any time we went to a studio. Paul would try to get up on the console. Go what are you gonNA do he goes. I'M GONNA try to kick the KNOBS this thing I'm like you know I I mean that was just how it was true and so again you know I'm trying to capture performances from these guys trying to get the best vocals the best new guitar overdubbed and again Dan. They would leave at eight o'clock and I would spend time putting things in time in the most. You know fundamentally challenging because I was working in digital having to run thing so the delay to put them in time and again everytime slim would leave and go you know if you mesler guitars kick your ass and so I was doing it all every step of the way. Robin is a lot of down. So you're in Paisley part-time. Our time is winding down on the sessions records. Basically done In the background going on the sort of machinations of the Labor management is there were some some thought and probably not a a wrong thought in terms of. How do we get this record on the radio? How does this become a hit? So they the management really in in in in the label in the band. Ultimately acquiesced was. Let's let's give it to an outside mixer right. It was the idea of having indie producer work with the kind of professional extra. which is what Nirvana eventually did in breaking never mind now whether that was necessary? Who knows but that was the decision that was made at the time? And you were kind of aware that you are not going to get the sort of finish the record and mix the record. I'd I'd hoped to this. Why do these mixed but I made? I made a mistake when I was I rough. Mix everything thing on a Sunday. I did the entire record in one day which means I spent like forty five minutes preach. I couldn't do any of the songs justice mainly a snapshot of where we were. In retrospect. I should've done two songs in nail the mixes so I could have a shot at at mixing this record and because I was an unknown entity fast forward after I finished the replacements. Two weeks later I did. The Moore's the real thing which had epic and I proved myself as a mixer. But at that time I was an unknown entity and of course I did this rough mix hoping I could do it but of course fast sport Chris sort algae mixture judge breezes in Kuwait. Uh when Paul and I were talking while making the record we were trying to make a timeless record. You couldn't tell if it was recorded in in nineteen seventy two thousand nine hundred ninety two we want to be. Yeah not of an of an era which it became that and that was my frustration with with the Chris Mixes and I'd friend of mine who are musicians and they actually blamed for ruining the replacements when they heard that right and they said you ruined the replacements like dude. I tried to explain to him and I think. In retrospect if I had more power or cash I would have said listen. Let me or somebody mixed the album as an album. And they'll let Chris mix the singles. You you ruined. Oh with with that kind of mythology. There was a precedent that was there because Jimmy Dean did the mix of hardly hardly wait. Yeah he had done which was pushed. A radio didn't sound that much different but that was the idea. It's got a little bit more snapped. Yes Matt finally got a chance to earlier this year in May go back back to the tapes in and mix them with kind of your original. You know the rough mixes or what you had in your mind back in. Eighty eight is a blueprint and obviously we got the go-ahead from pollen the band to sort of do this and I think it's one of those things that in the replacements catalog. Generally the replacements did what they wanted and we're happy with the results is is one of those where you know. The circumstances kind of force them more. I sort of pushed them to sort of hand off the record and I think again while it did what it needed to at the time. Commercially I think the overall reputation and I it hasn't aged as well L. is maybe some of their other records and I think this is kind of way to correct that and also I think to put a lot more of the band back into the record is is is people have heard you know of the tracks have been previewed in once. They get their hands Sunday. It really sounds much more like a replacements record In a way you're hearing kind of an particularly with the bears Ville stuff. You're hearing that evolution. So it's it's a really kind of A. I think we're all kind of excited about that. Opportunity to kind of have that thinks that one thing. That was interesting though is we kind of made a decision when Matt was mixing and we're kind of forced to certain by certain tapes situations to kind of mixed the record as you had tracked it so it's like when you went to Paisley because you ended up doing some additional overdubbed overdubbed while the record was being mixed and so really. This record is very much the record. Had you mixed it. You know in September October of of eighty-eight when you went back to the tapes were there things that surprised you or you know we a lot of things you do on this restore some live drums. There's you I know some tempos that had been sped up after the fact so it's much more true to kind of what you guys recorded. Yeah absolutely well yeah. Some stuff had been sped up. I'll be you lenny had recommended that we speed up a little bit. So that's what happened in the mix and then what was it Oh they're blind. They're blind was really fast because it was a completely different tempo right where it was just like. Oh my God yeah. We had been sped up quite a bit during the mixing process. And I've completely forgotten about that but also back to back to your point. We done additional recording. While Chris was mixing we'd gone back to Cherokee and we were doing additional guitars and military and stuff like that we cut some Vogel's will those be reels. Were lost right so those the things were gone so when I went to mix the stuff. I'm like Oh my God. All this stuff is missing so the downside is that I had some things I would have liked to have incorporated but the upside. I actually mixed the album the way the band and I had intended the one we turned into Warner Bros. before they said add the stuff and change the tempo so usually something and I do want to say that Part of my process for mixing was very discreet. Guitars left and right and bring in the background vocals. In and to me I really tried to reinstate the charm and the melancholy of what the replacements are as much bluster as they have also really quiet sadness in some of the things I brought him. Were Slim's background vocals. That are so tentative tip and almost whispered and that was really missing in Chris's mixes and and and also like Paul Center that I took the group of all the guitars. Those Chrissy you put a bunch of course on guitars are a little sketchy in the tuning. And things like that so I just kind of put things back to where they were and I try to incorporate more of their personalities and that kind of how do you the version of from the Sessions sounds more like some guys have all the luck by Rod Stewart. But in a really amazing there there's some real sense versions that are there that totally south like that. Yeah guilty it has as many of you know. This is kind of the culmination of a thirty year journey for Matt and for Tony. And we're very appreciative that they joined us and of course deadman's pop op is available from Rhino. Now so hopefully all kind of take from this conversation some interesting things but really For everyone go listen to the box set and listen to The work these guys did so To Matt into Tony. Thanks for sticking with this for three decades and letting US letting US pull you in here next album by a great banned. Yeah and thank you so much for this conversation today to. I do want to say thank you for being a real believer in the band and you push I mean yeah three or four years years of back you know behind the scenes work you did before this record for the flame you will have the faith and rare of hair as you can see. I've Gone Ray. It was really. I mean I just remember just consistently every few much hey matches hang in there. It's going to happen you know and this went on for a couple of years. Well I may not be very very smart but I'm determined so so again. Thank you to Tony.

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JONBENT: Narrowing Down Suspects

The Killing of Marilyn Monroe

25:50 min | 1 year ago

JONBENT: Narrowing Down Suspects

"From all appearances really since December of ninety six January of ninety seven. They've been really focused on on on. Just the family in what we're asking is that you know you've exhausted that viewpoint for the better part of two decades and so what we're hoping is that we get them out of that fixed mindset and start to really look at the case for what it is. That was investigator John San Augustine welcome to episode. Four of the killing of Jon. Benet the final suspects. I'm your host Danielle Robea. In previous episodes we learn how the initial investigation into Jonbenet's murder was hampered by the inexperience of the Boulder Police Department. On the moment the law enforcement arrived on scene on December twenty six of nineteen ninety six to seven fifty five fifteen street we know. Is that almost immediately that that crime scene was contaminated and also I A- stubborn belief that the killer came from John. Benes own family if you frame the a case Bronx from the beginning if you have an immediate reinforced that and thousand times over and over if you have a police department that doesn't want to broaden and investigation when the case is not getting solved if you have people. They won't even talk to persons interest in the case. And if you have a district attorney who intentionally decides Berry indictment what chance you have a solving those of the right questions. In my opinion that is journalist. Stephen Singular we have also learned that this belief was not shared by lead investigator Lou Smit who after devoting the final years of his life to the case died in two thousand ten with a list of definitive suspects one of which he believed to be John. Benes murderer during the course of his investigation as he's gathering facts facts. He's looking at the evidence. Obtained from the scene evidence obtain at the autopsy and interviews of witnesses businesses during the course of the investigation. And he's comparing that to people who don't have a strong alibi but still have a potential connection into either the family or Jon Benet so when you start to piece all that evidence together there are obviously some people that rise at immediately up to a level. Were you go. We really need to look at these people right but getting to the shortlist. Our team has in hand now. Didn't just happen overnight. Investigators who firmly believe that the intruder killed Jon Benet have spent many years clearing some very compelling and very unusual suspects. My name is Laurie Simpson. And I'm from Florida and I got interested in the case because my daughter's the same age as Jon Benet Ramsey and I just started watching it and following it and eventually became friends with a Gal name. Rake Rogan's actually worked with the Ramsey investigators and she solicited me to help her at times and I was headed to help them as well. My I suspect with Santa Claus Santa Claus Bill mcreynolds and he was the professor as what his wife. I believe. He was actually a professor for Chris. Wolf I believe who was another suspect. He kinda odd in that he had a daughter are who had been kidnapped like twenty three years earlier on about the same day. Same time Christmas time with a friend they never was solved. The friend was violated. The daughter was not and the life wrote a play about a little girl who was murdered in her basement so that was weird but he had had had heart surgery and police said they rolled him out because he was would have been to week to have done anything like that but Jon Benet had actually taken him down in the basement at at their Christmas party days before and giving him a little vial of fairy dust and he said he kept that as special to him so the the whole thing about it was really strange as the suspects continued to surface in the early years it became apparent that the sleepy little college town of Boulder also attracted a WHO's who of sexual predators here's Colorado News reporter. Paula Woodward I interviewed Gary Alita when he was in the Boulder County jail. Gary Olivo was arrested. He had a child pornography background. He also have built a shrine and and Jon Benet Ramsey in his apartment police discovered when he was arrested again on child pornography charges when when I interviewed him in the Boulder County jail and we were talking. I said well tell me what you know about Jon Benet Ramsey and. He said we'll only do that. If if you give me a picture of her I said Nope I'm Outta here. He went wait. Wait wait I'll talk to you anyway. And so he was a UH creepy guy when he was rearrested. Oh probably three or four years ago. Someone who had been in touch with them said that he had confessed to killing Schaumburg Ramsey that has gone no further his DNA outmatch. Michael Lives in boulder and he killed himself or was killed on Valentine's Day February fourteenth. It came just after a very forceful personal message from district attorney. Alex Hunter. Who said will find you and then the next day he's either dead or was murdered? It has has it been asset. Although has been called suicide a friend thought he killed Jon Benet and that friend kept him a suspect viable for quite some time. There was a person who had committed suicide and they were looking at that person because he he had a stun gun. Apparently you know when they first department investigator Dad. It was a suicide and then I guess it was after the fought it. This person's name came up as as a possible suspect. And that's when they started looking at him. In retrospect I think I think a lot of that evidence information were GonNa get one but I know like Johnson. I've seen molly gray really looked at at hell. Our team is tracked down a man who was a personal friend of Michael Hill. Goth at the time of Jon benet murder. What is your name Sir? John Kennedy Civil. Who is Michael Helga? Marco hogarth was an individual. I met when he's about ten years old at Valmont auto junkyard and you just just young bright little kid blonde hair very clean. Polite and Mike became interested in the military after he got out of high school. When in the military and then came out and instruments working at the yard from say April of ninety six through December? We were both working in the yard bike and I formed a friendship and he wanted me to become a partner and then we were going to together together. Run the yard. I'm pretty sure he was into heroin. Annoy he dealt and sold weed and he also was interested in Cocaine a little sure he dabbled in everything at one point trying to sell it. Make use it. Whatever John Kennedy explains how? It soon became clear that Helga problems were not restricted to abusing drugs. He also displayed some extremely disturbing behavior grid feral cats. It's all over the place because we have thousands of cars out there and he would feed the catch and Mike would pick up the kittens and pick them up and throw them down underground and kill them and if it was too wet out he would pick them up and just wrench their neck. He had a homemade's Tangun used to juice me with every once in a while I go cut it out just kind of making an easy hit me with that. Everyone unwanted cutting out Mike Walk along and he says I wonder what it'd be like to crack a human skull looked at him. I thought for second. We'll leave mine alone because I kind of like it the way it is and I didn't WanNa know kind of a strange thing. I didn't think much of it. Even more disturbingly Michael Hal Goth displayed sexual deviancy. Mike was Deviant and his sexual preferences for girls and stuff was such that I talked to one of his old girlfriends and she was is blonde and when she was sixteen seventeen. This is prior to when I was at the yards or would have been ninety. Four ninety three ninety four She told me that he made her shave Oliver Body hair off so she looked like she was a virgin and he made her do all sorts of sexual different things then he had another another girlfriend. The one where he was babysitting the girls daughter and she was a stripper. Bust up ninety who she was but I didn't know she had a daughter. Mike was Dayton at the time because I frequent the bus stop bar and she came home caught him nicotine or anything she uses. Would the story was told to me. By Lewis William everybody else And he told her the he couldn't trust himself with her daughter. John Kennedy also remembers one incident in particular that in hindsight seems extremely suspicious specious so then middle to late November were walking along and I'm on one side of the fence is on the other and exhaust smileys happy and I say Mike. What's going on so I can't really can't can't wait till Christmas I said? What do you mean says well Meena partner are GonNa make fifty any almost hesitate or sixty thousand each at Christmas and Commando Makovsky? I don't WanNa know this should up. John don't WanNa get involved so okay. Whatever so that's why I asked him after Christmas about his killer deal because you call it a killer deal killers one of the words this what he said exactly he said? I got a killer deal right at Christmas. And men a partner GonNa Mayton eight and he got his do so. I almost wanted us to think if he was thinking about. Maybe seeing fifty nine or not. I don't know Blair on found out that their incident was underneath eighteen. Thousand half that's fifty nine counterfeits and old Christmas broken head detective. John Augustine explains why Hell Goth was seen as a credible suspect me. When you look at Michael Hill God? He's looks good from the very beginning. Just because of his history you me you got a guy who was a paratrooper in the military. The rope that was used to strangle drama name was paratrooping row. He was involved in his girlfriend's little girl. Oh that there could be some pedophilia. They're associated with Hell Goth. which when you look at the murder of Jon Benet? There's a lot of indications of some type of pedophilia. I think the thing that is most most disturbing about Michael Helga. Though is the manner in which he dies in February nineteen ninety-seven Boulder Boulder County district attorney. Alex Hunter told a press conference that his department was close to a breakthrough on the case within hours Hell Goth was dead apparently gently by suicide. He ends up dead. The timing of his death is very suspicious. Because it's February thirteenth or fourteenth eighteenth of Nineteen ninety-seven roughly within twenty four hours of Alex. Hunter coming out and telling the world we know who you are. It's only a matter of time before we catch you that aw Michael Hill Goth ends up dead and his death is very suspicious. He shot somewhere in his lower torso. WHO's upward in nature from left to right slightly upward in nature and he ends up dead? Well I can tell you. I've been to a lot of suicide doubts. And I've never seen anybody shoot themselves down in their lower left torso it's typically in a gun in their mouth gun to the side of their head very very very rarely do you see a shot. Maybe to their heart. But I mean it's down below his ribcage which and it's going upward in nature about forty five degrees in as far as angles from left to right for toback but strategically. What's interesting is that the prosecutors had travelled out to quantico to meet with behavioral science experts to figure out a way to draw out the killers and lo and behold Alexander comes? How would this very matter of fact news conference press conference and within twenty four hours Michael Hill ends up dead and you know I question and whether or not it was truly a suicide? The gun was wrapped in a blanket. None of this stuff really makes any sense. It was actually found on the left side of him. You know he's right handed. The gun was from left to right. Just the nature of the crime scene gave indication that we should at least look further into it. I believe Cindy said Liu referred refer to him as boatman that's have referred to his boot man because during the during the time that his alleged suicide happens at the base the door. He's lying on a food on And at the base of the doors a pair of high tech boots those boots were subsequently taken and given to Boulder PD. The high tech booed is significant because there is a high tech boot Footwear impression that is found. Were Johnny Johny. Spotty was found that morning that her dad goes downstairs and opens at the door to see Johnny there also significant was the in fact he had a stun gun exactly so the other thing that was noticed at the scene where the alleged suicide and Michael Occurs is that there is a stun gun of which that stun gun. The diameter of the probes on that particular stun-guns. I believe in Air Taser. That Air Taser matches the injuries to both Japanese right side of her face as well as to her back of which those injuries are more consistent with a stun gun. Mark as opposed to what's been professed about burn marks in fact how I know that is that Dr Dober- sing in fact Who is a forensic pathologist conducted a task house involving a pig and stun gunning the pig and those injuries appeared on the pig as well as consistently with what we see on Jonbenet Ramsey's in front of her face and John Kennedy a personal friend of Michael? Well how Goth doesn't believe Michael Hal. Goth killed himself either. Yeah Mike headed girlfriend and Carol who had Mike on the phone that night. That Eddie died in February of ninety seven on the fourteenth they had a conversation around seven or so and she's dead but I did get a confirmation from some people ignore that. She said she had a conversation with Mike Enos. Normal everything was fine. Wooden are you doing. Everything was just normal and as he tells our team he thinks he knows who might have been responsible for killing Hell Goth. And why is John Stephen. He was my neighbor. And I knew Steve did an in in prison because he told me he learned. How do you hardwood restoration in prison? All that's good to know not that I care about what his problem was but then I found out that he had taken a babysitter in Raped her pogo tight. They became tight real quick so much. Show that Mike. Mike was at his wedding. John Stephen Gatien Michael Lennon Hill butchered to do different times each independently by myself with them that they both wanted wanted. Commit a perfect crime and I thought It sounds Kinda strange. Going from two different people do different. Timeframes I've talked to. Even his aunt said they don't believe that it was a suicide. They do believe he was murdered and Johnson Augusta Guston. who were for the Ramsey family? Did it story on that and showed how he could pretty much proved that it was it was a murder not a suicide and had to do with let hand. Was You than where it was placed and all this but I believe that he was probably he could have been killed by John. Stephen Giga just because I spoke to his wife and she said that he was very much into drug dealing. This is well-known because there's many arrests for that and there's been situations where apparently the rumor was that they were dealing drugs in and out of the auto salvage yard that they both worked at Giga was mad. I think he may have killed Michael Helga. That had nothing to do with Jon. Benet Ramsey I believe that had to do with a drug deal I think maybe he was stepping on his jug desma There is reason to believe that that that was the case. And I don't want to really elaborate on that. But there were drugs found in his apartment after the police left and they miss them according to our sources he was an interesting or I don't know if they ever ever really got his DNA 'cause he was dead but he was a interesting suspect because of the boots and when he died they that's what made him so interesting. Yeah there was a parent a stun gun next to him and the boots and I don't think it was released to the public about the boots being high tech boots at the time. But I've heard that almost everybody in the boulder area more high chick food back. Then you know it's a hiking area so that could be easily coincidence. But yet he it was an instant thing back back. Another strong suspect was the talker for Randy Simon's if the Malaysian Griffin I met Patsy and Jon Benet Jon Benet Gary First Pageant. She ever Gadd Randy Simon's the most beautiful photography it had a net for catcher chair Josh Right Angle on a person or a child and he helped all models get their portfolios together so we went through Christine's whole thousands of pictures. I mean when they evenly a neighbor little and he was doing head shot. He would flirt with them. Say Oh those are some pretty is boy might have get my stunned Mary you just in the little girls were giggling. He'd get that shot. You know Stephen. Enjoy singular authors. There's of presumed guilty and investigation. Into the Jon Benet Ramsey case the media and the culture of pornography also looked closely at Simon's we were as stead began talking with pageant matters in the in the area who had been in on the Child Beauty Agit circuit with past the Jon Benet and we heard a couple of things one was that they had had to get rid of certain people will because they found they were attracting. You know. Dial defiled or people who could engage in that activity is on on the edges of that we were told a bad dominates. Primary person is a man named Randy Randy Stein and brandy adventure shooting your couple of years and all of the duty pageant matters with the same exactly. Actually the same thing to us that since the murder Bandy had been calling them up in the middle of the night after midnight hysterical screaming and crying saying I I did not kill John. Hey I did not down. And they were all totally missed by because no one was looking at as a suspect back and they had never seen him behave this way before and they distorted began telling us this story which we found very curious Randy Simon's was questioned by detectives investigating the case but was ruled out but as recently as last July he he hit the headlines again when he was arrested at his home in Oakridge Oregon and charged with fifteen counts of downloading child pornography. Does this new development once again. Dan Put him in the frame of the murder of Jon. Benet here's detective Johnson. Augustan take a guy who was imprisoned right now Radi Simonsen. It was a photographer. Took pictures of Jonbenet. I mean who was ready science. Did you know too much. I know there's been. I know that he's a photographer. I know yet. Some close association with the family. There was a lot of tension drawn to him because he was potentially a suspect in this he I believe is. DNA was taken in. It didn't match right so so I think we would say well. That's it for inside negative. That's that's not the way you look an investigation and you know when when you investigate a murder I've been involved auden in a bunch I don't know probably you know a few hundred death investigations under my belt. One of the things that you have to be extremely careful of is not to put all of your weight in specific aspect of the case. In this case you know don't don't believe that because DNA doesn't match that there's no way that person can be involved just like if the DNA does match. You can't say that you know you're absolutely one hundred percent positive that that person was involved all you can say is that that. DNA was found down in an area. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So now you've got to look at that individual and see if there's other aspects of the investigation that also points to this individual Joel so getting back to your question about Randy Simon he's incarcerated and Dina sample has been obtained from him it's been compared to the DNA Jami Ramsey's MC's and it doesn't match you have to be very careful about saying because Danny doesn't match randy that ran. He's not involved reason why I say that is. There's an indication in the crime scene that there were multiple people in the scene. You have two definite footwear impressions. That are different unless the guy was wearing two different different pairs of shoes we can say that. There's there's a likelihood that there were two people at a minimum inside of this home. Well One may have been the person who was sexually assaulting ultimately kills Jon Benet but the other person may have just been on the lookout. It's no different than A. You know. An armed armed robbery of a bank were teller gets killed and somebody's on the look out to see if law enforcement's coming to that bank same thing was going on potentially here there's evidence to indicate AK other might've been more than one person involved so just because Randy Simon. His Dini does not match. We don't know who ran. Simond was associated with and hanging out with in the timeframe of December twenty six December Twenty Fifth Twenty six hundred ninety six if we can show that he's in that area and we can show that he had an affiliation. Or you know somebody that he was aligned with that ends up matching the DNA. Well that would be no different than the armed armed robbery case of the bank he would still be charged with conspiracy to commit for scree. Murder was randy Simon's and accomplice to someone on loose midst finalist. Douglas Guinea and Jameson have new leads to follow. Next time on the killing of Jon Benet the final suspects and we were in the hospital room with him and he just said that he wanted this case to continue. You want to keep looking you know. Just keep looking and he gave us a name name he said. I want you to write down this name and start there. The killing of Jon Benet. The final suspects is hosted by me. Danielle lerone executive produced by Dylan. Howard and Matt sprouts and is a production of broaden water studios and Endeavour Audio Executive Producers? Also include Tom Freestone Douglas Guinea Susan Bennett James Robertson. and Andy till it. The series is written by Dominic Button reporting. By Doug Montero the series is mixed and engineered by Sean cry and Sam Ada. There is so much more to the story. And you don't WanNa Miss Anything I can assure you. Subscribe to the killing ruling of Jon. Benet the final suspects wherever you get podcasts. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 381: Rangers New GM, Winter Meetings

GSMC Baseball Podcast

1:08:09 hr | 8 months ago

GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 381: Rangers New GM, Winter Meetings

"Golden state concepts baseball podcasts. We cover everything major league from spring training through the world series. Got your favorite club cover from new york to boston to elect. This is the golden state media. Concepts baseball podcast. Hello and welcome in to another edition of the gsm. See baseball podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. I'm your host kevin. Maula kid is monday december seventh. I appreciate everybody listening in. Hopefully you guys had a great weekend out there but before we get into baseball and get into a great episode that we have lined up for you guys here. Of course i wanna take a moment and discuss december seventh in the history of this date in the united states Back in one thousand nine hundred forty one the attack on pearl harbor. Which was the surprise military strike by the japanese on the united states naval base at pearl harbor and honolulu. Hawaii was a surprise attack early in the mornin hawaii time and everybody knows all the lives that were lost the carnage. That was left behind in hawaii. And thus the united states response and You know installation into world war. Two and here we are today. So i i do want to again first off. Thank and remember all the service members out there who are listening or who have served in the past given their life all the way back on thousand nine hundred forty one up until today of course things are going on worldwide that We continue to be thankful for all of your efforts. Everything you're providing to allow us the freedoms here for me to talk into a microphone about baseball and not have to worry about my safety health concerns in all of that stuff going on here but as recorded in my basement. I'm looking up at my ticket to the uss arizona memorial who have a ticket kinda mural in my basement based on everything i've been able to attend and of course the pearl harbor memorial for the uss. Arizona is going up there because that is just a fascinating memorial. It is super powerful and super emotional. So certainly if you guys have not been able to get out to hawaii and if you if you can fits within your means within you know everything going on in your life get out to honolulu. Check out the pearl harbor memorial. I've been out there a couple of times. You still see the oil rising out of the uss arizona and you can see underneath and all of the old video and things like that so it's definitely heavy. It's definitely tense Emotional but it's very well done. It's certainly worth the trip in an excellent experience for everybody out there. So december seventh nineteen forty one day that will live in infamy so when i Announced that at the top of the show. I'm man of course. I have to bring that up here before we get into baseball. And everything else going on here in twenty twenty Once again a final. Thank you a final shout out to all service members past and present. We really do appreciate it. But we got a great show lined up for you here today. we're gonna be talking about All things baseball a couple of general manager updates going on the rangers made a higher the phillies are still sitting in no man's land so we'll get into all of that then we'll transition into some conversation around the winter meetings will discuss some past trades that have gone down signings all of the top stuff from the history and then what you may see this year as well and then we'll close out with an update on the k b o in the japanese professional series since those recently came to a conclusion and we were about those pretty routinely when it was back in march april and may before major league baseball came live and on the scene here. So let's jump on in. Thanks again for listening. And here we go. Let's talk all thinks major league baseball but right off the top to texas rangers. They've made a higher general manager. They hired former major league pitcher. Chris young who appeared with the team young had pitched in thirteen seasons across the majors see dealt with some injury issue so it was over the course of a handful of years but i played for texas. Let's see san diego. The mets seattle kansas city. So he was certainly a guy who traveled around major league baseball but grew up in dallas as a rangers fan and certainly with this opening and opportunity. He was taken advantage of it because young had interviewed for the gm opening with the new york mets but then recently came out that he was taken himself out of consideration. And you know certainly wanted to stay closer to home in the dallas area so What was chris young doing before he was a general manager hired as general manager. Well he was the senior vice president in charge of on field operations and the umpires within major league baseball. His title was so long. I couldn't even get it in in one breath there for this episode. But basically he was in charge of onfield operations that includes the umpire's he worked closely with the texas rangers over the past year when it came to the construction of globe life field and dealing with baseball issues and overseeing the opening kind of installation things along those lines He then oversaw the onfield operations for three rounds of the neutral site playoffs so he was basically the guy one in the show for the playoff games. Neutral site teams coming in from all over. That was certainly a challenging opportunity. This year that seemed to go very smoothly course. There weren't any reports. Instances conversations around how logistics or anything like that was going to hinder the product on the field so it was very well done with the fans in texas for the world series. How does this work. How do we let them in. This was something chris. Young was dealing with on a day to day basis so he was interacting with the texas rangers almost a year ago when it comes to you know the installation of the new park. Then he's working with them again when it comes to the playoffs in the neutral site so there was a lot of interaction there and they got a firsthand view of what exactly. They're looking at when they're hiring chris young here so it's certainly an interesting dynamic because coming from the major league baseball side of things where he was hired pretty much a year after his retirement so the guy retired only in twenty seventeen. I i mean he's only going to be forty one years old this year he even played with and against some current texas rangers. The guys new boss on the squad has face christiane. There's actually three guys on the rangers. Who had at bats during chris young during his baseball career. The first one is elvis andrus where he went one for seven with a home run. So elvis andrus one for seven but he was the only guy to get a hit off a chris young raccoon door. He was oh for five in joey. Gallo was oh for one so in total those texas rangers players were one for twelve or for thirteen against christiane. So he's got some bragging rights when it comes to conversations behind the scenes here but after doing some research reading about chris. Young a little bit more. I was able to find some interesting news in notes. The dallas news put together a pretty cool article about You know ten things to know about chris. Young before he's your general manager it starts off with the fact that yeah he grew up in dallas. He then attended princeton university where he was rookie of the year in both basketball and baseball athlete at division one princeton. He was then selected in the third round by the pittsburgh pirates but Basically came to an agreement with the pirates that he was able to complete his degree so his first year playing pro ball. He spent bouncing between princeton summer league and minor league affiliates so that he could finish his degree and of course somebody attending princeton. You know the benefit of getting that ivy league education and this is another newsworthy. Little title here but his senior thesis at princeton. By chris young here this is the title. It's twenty eight words long so just get ready for this one. But it was called the impact of jackie robinson in the integration of baseball on racial stereo types in america colon a quantitative content analysis of stories about race in the new york times it was over eighty pages and apparently he wrote it basically entirely when he was on the bus in low eh going back and forth from princeton to his games. And just it's fascinating how sharp the guy is but of course he then parlayed that into a nice mlb career but he could have also went pro and basketball. I mean chris young. He's six ten which makes him tied for the second tallest player in baseball history. Randy johnson andrew brackman. Andrew cisco and eric hillman are the other gentleman who come in at six ten. And then there's just one guy at six eleven and that's john rouse. Who is the tallest player in major league baseball history and interestingly enough chris young and jon rouse were teammates for the new york mets and twenty twelve so the two thousand twelve mets employed the two tallest players in major league baseball history so young could went pro in basketball he had a couple of contracts offers with the sacramento kings coming out of princeton but ultimately decided it was going to be baseball for him and that was his career path. Moving forward so certainly an interesting. If you're the texas rangers only the ninth general manager and the history of texas since they moved from dc and became the texas rangers. But chris young like i said only three years out of the game he's shown and demonstrated while working for major league baseball that He certainly knows today's game when it comes to sabermetrics analytics next level analysis and how to implement this into today's day and age. It's just going to be a matter of kenny evaluate player. So that's my only question with this. Higher is yes. He played for thirteen years. Obviously he can play and then he works for major league baseball on the operation side of things again game day operations umpires this that and the third but never during his time or tenure has he spent really truly evaluating talent. he he'd income up as a scout. He didn't work as an assistant. General manager under somebody kind of getting the tutelage of what's going on so it'll be a fascinating kind of transition to see if yes day-to-day operations. The business side of things when it comes to being a general manager. No question chris. Young is going to be fine. He's going to flourish but kennedy evaluate talent. Can he draft this talent. Kenny hire people to develop the talent that will certainly be the question to follow up on texas over the next couple of years. But this ira for the rangers. This leaves one general manager opening remaining and that is with my beloved philadelphia phillies. It's come out that they may be waiting until twenty twenty one to fill these positions but then you have the winter meetings coming up here over. The course of the next week in this is where contract conversation. Trade conversation is being had because availability to other executives is at its highest level during the off season and the phillies are going into these meetings. Just rudderless i mean. They have no direction that they don't know what next year is going to look like and whoever is making the decision this next week may not be in power over the course of the next couple of years so that is just obviously a frustrating situation to be in as a phillies fan and then of course over the past week or so The twins general manager current general manager. Thad levine. It was rumored to be a front runner for the phillies. He was going to get an increase in title. Become president of baseball operations. That's why he would leave. Minnesota after putting them through a very well done rebuild when it comes to success and payroll and the relationship between those two but then almost twenty four hours later. It comes out now. He's not interested. He's removing his name. He's got a good thing going in minnesota. He's just going to be chilling out there. Thanks for the call. Thanks for the interview and of course behind the scenes. I'm sure there was a little bit of a sweetener. I probably got a raise out there in minnesota to head back but it was just kind of another blow as a phillies fan. Were you looking man. This is really isn't a top job. That people are looking to leave their current employment for that. They're jumping at the bit to try to get to philadelphia to try to deal with what's going on so it seems to be right now that there are two people to candidates who have kind of asserted themselves above the rest in that is former marlins president of baseball operations michael hill. Of course the marlins are trending the right direction. They made the playoffs last year for the first time in however many years. They've made multiple trades multiple drafts that are bringing up. Good prospects top prospect. So recent history shows michael hill having a positive influence on his past employer and then the other gentleman is dodger. Senior vice president of baseball operation. Josh burns and the back and forth with josh byrnes is that he's been a general manager twice already in his career and he didn't have great success with either of those opportunities span. I it's been ten fifteen twenty years and of course you continue to develop you continue to mature as a talent evaluator person so you can't hold past. You know failures against him in the future. You just use it as a reference point to say. Hey what would you do different. How did you learn from your mistakes. What are you getting into moving forward and him being in. La for the past number of years and learning under that regime and of course they're excellent at evaluating talent bringing in resources and utilizing resources in different avenues. So burns certainly learned a lot over the past three to five years. And if you're gonna pluck somebody from an organization. I certainly have no problem with that organization being the dodgers so These two names really. Don't jump off the page they don't instill incitement into the philadelphia phillies fan here in greater philadelphia. So again it just feels like we're kinda wandering. We really have no direction. What's the plan. What's the move. What are we doing here. Moving forward but it does seem to be You know josh burns. And michael hill are the two candidates that will receive a second interview the candidates to beat here for the potential next general manager job in philadelphia. But we'll have to wait and see. I don't know if they're going to have somebody by the time. The winter meetings roll around. Which certainly would be a difficult decision for an organization but that wraps it up here for the first episode of the same. See baseball podcast brought to you. By the mc podcast network. I'm your host kevin mahalick. We'll pause right now for a word from one of our sponsors one of our sisters shows but when we come back. We'll dive into those winter meetings. Talk about what to expect this year. What's going on in years past so this segment's going to be a lot of fun stick around. We'll be right back. This is your ultimate stop for everything. Sports the golden state media concepts or podcast. Should i say more from the nfl mlb. The nba mma. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen back thanks for listening to the gsm. See baseball podcast brought to you. By the mc podcast network. I am your host. Kevin malik once again. Thanks for listening. If you guys haven't checked the sat on social media yet please do myself. A favor hit that. Follow button. Go to twitter. Hit the little. Magnifying glass icon type in m. c. Space bar the letter b. and baseball will pop up where you guys can give us a follow. We'll keep you guys up to date on their with everything going on in the winter meetings over the course of the next couple of days. A lot of stuff will continue to trickle out. Rumors news notes all of that. Good stuff and if you want to stay up to date or up to the second with what's going on check check us out on twitter and we'll we'll have the latest goods for you there so We're also on facebook lincoln. So whichever social media platform you're on at the time snapchat. I dunno hit the search bar been gs mc and give us a follow. We certainly appreciate it here but Jumping back into today's episode next. We're discussing how major league baseball has sued. It's insurance providers citing billions in losses related to covid nineteen. So this came out a few days ago. Where major league baseball and all thirty of its teams are suing their insurance providers for basically the losses during the two thousand twenty season. This was filed in the into the california supreme court and obtained by the associated press basically says providers such as aig factory mutual and interstate fire and casualty company have refused to pay claims made by major league baseball. Despite the league's quote all risk policy purchases and the league is come out and talked about how they they purchased the policies millions and millions of dollars in premiums to go above and beyond to make sure something like this is covered the claims they talk about billions of dollars in tickets hundreds of millions in concessions tens of millions on parking and millions on sweets luxuries in park merchandise corporate sponsorships and things along those lines it also talks about local and national media losses from not being able to cover incomes missed due to media and things like that so it's very interesting kind of suit and the reason why i think it may get a little bit of attention is because apparently over fourteen hundred lawsuits very similarly have been brought against insurance companies regarding interruptions and these include minor league baseball teams and other organizations such as that trying to get payouts on their insurance so it depends on the insurance though because it does say here in the article that one minor league case for the chattanooga lookouts has already been dismissed due to a virus exclusion in their policy. So people are certainly going to be reading the fine print but major league baseball goes on to say quote due to covid nineteen. The major league baseball entities including all thirty of those major league clubs have incurred significant losses due to the inability to play games soest fans and otherwise conduct normal business. We strongly believe these losses are covered in full by our insurance policies and confident. That court in jury will agree so it certainly going to be interesting. I am not a lawyer or you know one of those guys going back and forth in the court of law. So i really don't know what is happening but it is interesting just to kind of read some of the terminology and try to figure out exactly what's going on because here. Insurers in many cases have insisted that financial losses caused by the corona virus do not constitute physical loss or property damage major league baseball is claiming that the virus has led to both quote the presence of the corona virus including but not limited to droplets or nuclei on solid surfaces and in the air at insured property has caused and will continue to cause direct physical damage to physical property in ambient air at the premises corona virus of physical substance has attached in adhered to plaintiffs property and by doing so altered that property such presence has also directly resulted in the loss of use of those facilities and quote. So there's your battle is the corona virus an entity that constitutes physical loss property damaged or as a virus excluded from essentially. What's happening in these insurance companies. Because again i'm no expert but in my personal opinion i think if every one of these were to be passed or push through. There's no way the insurance companies are going to have this type of money to pay out these types of premium simon. Yes you're getting millions and millions of dollars but again. This is billions in losses. So i don't know exactly. How insurance banking money. All of that works. But i find it hard to believe that all of these insurance companies would have this type of cash if it is shown that it is physical loss property laws property damage. And they're going to have to pay out these suits now as a baseball fan. Would it be better if they do have to pay you know. Would that allow major league teams to recoup some of that money potentially suspend some of that money out in free agency. I'm not sure i feel man. This is a tough one. But i don't know how this one ends. We'll keep you guys posted. We'll continue to monitor the situation over the next couple of days. But it's gonna come down to the fine print. There's going to be a lot of back and forth. And i don't think this is going to end anytime soon. But major league baseball soon insurance providers with all of their teams. That's what we have right now as of december sabbath but transitioning now here in the second segment into our conversation around the winter meetings. What exactly is taking place. What's going on Well they were supposed to be in dallas texas once again at the omni hotel in dallas. gorgeous hotel gorgeous. Almost campus down there in dallas but with the corona virus. Everything going on major league baseball made these meetings virtual which of course certainly make sense but it does make things more difficult because again the winter meetings were where a lot of things take place where a lot of things go down because agents are their owners or their general managers are there. It's really the only time during the offseason where it's very very easy to sit down in person get together in a room and have a conversation that leads to some action because normally it's what over the phone or today they're probably zooming back and forth and you say okay. I have your offer. Let's hang up now. call this team. Let's tell them about this offer. See if they can beat that offer. Oh well that guy's busy so we gotta wait for him to call us back and you're going back and forth back and forth well when you're at the same hotel and after the meetings and you know of course anybody who's been on a business trip or a trade show or something along those lines national sales meaning yet you have meetings from eight to five or eight to three and then after hours you go out with your team your squad yourself. You have some fun so when it comes to five six seven o'clock you got a couple of adult beverages into these guys. They start having open. Conversation and deals can get done because basically walls come down interpersonal relationships. Take over and things manifest themselves so not having that and not being able to you know in person directly face to face read body. Language have conversation. It's it's gonna be through zoom and phone calls and text messages which I don't think this year may be as busy or as consequential Some of the years past. And that's what i wanted to do here for the rest of segment number to talk about the top trades that have taken place over the history of the winter meetings and this dates all the way back to the seventies and sixties and yet as most recently as twenty seventeen. There was a huge deal that took place. So let's run through them here. Like i mentioned twenty seventeen. It's when john. Carlos stanton was traded from the marlins to the yankees and this was a huge deal because he was the reigning. Nl mvp at this point. He won mvp a week or two weeks earlier. Then the winter meetings see was only into year. I believe it was four or just finished your three of the thirteen year. Three hundred twenty five million dollar contract that everybody across major league baseball said was untradeable and it was the first of its kind and nobody would want to deal like that swell. A fifty nine homers season an mvp season and he was shipped out just months later to new york for starling. Castro and minor leaguers. Jose de guzman and at the time guzman was a top prospect but stanton and the yankees certainly seemed to have one that deal when it comes to the the winter meetings so stanton became just the third raining. Mvp to change teams in the off. Season a rod went from the rangers to the yankees back in oth three and then barry bonds who won the mvp with the pirates left in free agency to the san francisco giants so that was a bit of a bomb. Dropped there in two thousand sixteen or twenty seventeen back in two thousand sixteen as well. Chris sale he changed from the white sox to the red sox. David price had already been added to the red sox. They're so the white sox landed for the red sox top thirty prospects in that deal. You'll in kedah. He's certainly turned out to be a nice gift for them. With the white sox michael kopech. Hard-throwing righty who opted out this past year. But still may be of service to them and then a couple of switch hitting outfielders so man that seemed like a good hall for the white sox at the time for chris sale and that certainly seems to be the case almost four years later but in twenty fifteen. We also had a huge deal. Go down this one involving a number of name so we had a bit of a hot run there and twenty fifteen two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen but the d backs and braves put together a deal. Shelby milner all-star starter going arizona but dance be swanson headed the other way to atlanta. He's now there everyday shortstop he was the first number. One overall picks twenty or two thousand three to be dealt before making the majors and of course the diamondbacks they really haven't seen the return on that investment or that trade to their liking so man then we go all the way back to thousand nineteen. Let's see the diamondbacks tigers in yankees pulled off a three team trade fairly uncommon. It comes to baseball. You don't see a lot of three team deals. That's more of an nba style of deal that we see a lot but Edwin jackson ian kennedy were traded during this conversation. Curtis granderson was moved. Max scherzer austin jackson involved in this deal all the way back in two thousand and nine so a lot of heavy hitters a lot of big names smoothed around in two thousand and nine. But let's continue heading back here so two thousand seven detroit lands miguel cabrera and he is still there to this day. So that's kind of fascinated happened all the way back in two thousand and seven. Dave dombrowski was involved in this deal. Andrew miller cameron may been for the marlins dontrelle willis miguel cabrera. So that was a huge deal back in two thousand and seven. That was certainly a lot of fun to follow. But then we have kind of a big gap to where we get back to the nineties. Padres and blue jays pulled off a blockbuster at that time Then blue jays general manager pat gillick was maneuvering They had dealt for fred mcgriff. Tony fernandez joe. Carter and roberto alamar going back and forth. So it's interesting to see. Namesake that joe carter of course leading to the nineteen ninety. Three world series over the phillies So that was a huge deal taking place a few years earlier in the nineties. Back in one thousand nine hundred eighty four. Ricky henderson was sent to the yankees. The yankees sent tim bursts. Daas jay. How stan havi. Eric plunk and jose radio to the as in exchange for ricky henderson. Who would swipe three hundred and twenty six bags in new york after he got traded over there. So that's a huge deal. What five for one. Deal there for ricky henderson. It's kind of fascinating. How those deals used to kind of take place five for one now. It's at least five for three. And you're throwing in a couple minor league gems lottery tickets. If we're moving forward. But gary carter to the mets took place. During the winter meetings in nineteen eighty-four beloved catcher was traded. It looks like from the expos to the mets. In exchange for corridor new york gave up. Huby brooks mike fitzgerald herm winningham. Floyd humans carter spent five seasons with the mets making the all star team four times and he was pivotal role on the one thousand nine hundred eighty six championship team. The last couple here to discuss happened long before my time and certainly seem very interesting but in one thousand nine hundred eighty hers zog in the saint louis cardinals. He was a manager. Gm manager well. Apparently he had massive trades. There were twenty. Three total players ended up sending a dozen to the cardinals and man. That's tough to follow here. And then you have one thousand nine hundred seventy five white sox owner veke. Let's see bill veke famously. Said that they were open for business and he set up a table on the hotel lobby. He then went on to make six trades involving twenty two players so he basically sat in the lobby open for business man. That is hilarious. I would love for somebody to do that here. In twenty twenty and see what the response would be. But frank robinson got traded to baltimore during the one thousand nine hundred sixty five winter meetings all the way back in nineteen fifty nine. Roger marris was acquired by the new york yankees during the winter meetings. So from twenty seventeen to nineteen fifty nine. There have constantly been big moves made at the winter meetings. And what we're gonna do here now is we're gonna pause. 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News and notes coming out here of the virtual meeting stake in place. They start today the seventh if you're listening to this here on monday and they will run through december tenth while concluding with the rule. Five draft tinned will rule five draft in the results on thursday's episode. We'll discuss who went back and forth and again kinda give you guys everything you need to know about money how that works and all that good stuff but for today's episode. We're just gonna kinda talk about what's going to take place what we anticipate names being talked about but first and foremost one thing. I wanted to discuss in something that i found interesting. Is that major league baseball and the players association still hasn't decided on the h. Rule for the national league in twenty twenty one because if you remember the players in the league they were not able to actually come to an agreement so they had discussed during their back and forth that twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. yes there would be a d. h. rule but ultimately they didn't come to that agreement so they went back to a pre existing agreement which just implemented the h. rule for twenty twenty not twenty twenty one and this is a bit of big news because once you kind of get under that initial layer you learn more about why this is taking place or why it has not happened yet. And the root of it is that the new cba the new collective bargaining agreement. This one expires after this year. Twenty twenty one and there is a totally new agreement. They need to be in place for twenty twenty two. While the reason i bring that up is because the players association wants the designated hitter rule in the national league. Because it's a new job for fifteen sixteen teams for a veteran. I mean think about the likes of nelson cruz marcelo zuniga. Their market is literally cut in half because all they can do is hit but can't play defense. Only american league teams can offer them opportunities right now as to where if it was in the national league of course it gives them a longer job. It pays another individual. It opens up the rosters. It's a good thing for baseball overall. I it just seems to be unanimous that this is the direction that we are headed but the owners they see the installation of d. h. In the national league as a victory for the players so there is they. Say okay if we are going to give you the d. h. rule. What are you going to then concede to us as a favor of trade back and forth. And they're essentially in their pockets for the twenty twenty two labor negotiations because once again they can say. Hey we're giving you the d. h. What are you giving us when in reality they don't really care about the d. h. That's just kinda small small beans for them but it's victory that they're giving away so they want something in return for it and thus that's why they haven't just signed off saying yeah okay. Let's do this. We all agree. This is a good idea. They're basically saying no. No no. yeah. We want to do this but you gotta give us something. Because that's the way the world works so it's just kind of fascinating to continue to dive deeper going. Hey we're going to hold this over their heads basically until they give us something and say yeah. We gave you the d. h. This is what we agreed on. So it'll be interesting to see how that conversation continues but they need to figure it out because it changes how national league teams will attack this off season because you know oona stay with the atlanta braves. Yeah they have a d. h. i. If not he probably won't and again. That's for every team in the national league and that's why the beginning a free agency has been slow to start here because half the teams don't know exactly how the roster's going to be constructed so we need to figure this out sooner than later to allow the market to set itself to allow some of these dominoes to start to fall to get some action here because again free agency. One of my pet peeves is in every other sport. It is an event. There is a twenty four forty eight hour window where it's like man. He's he's going here. He's going here and in baseball people ask me. When is free agency and say. Oh it's been going on for two months now almost a month and a half at this point they're like what are you talking about. I'm like it starts. Forty eight hours after the world series but just nobody does anything for months and months and months and it just sucks for major league baseball and it's not a good look but another thing that i'm gonna miss this year with the meetings being virtual. Is that scott boras press conference. I mean anytime he walks in all the media gets around him and he has some sort of witty response or witty engagement because he's on the players side and the money and he's always taking digs at the owners and you know he he works the yeah. The contract is this but ultimately he brings you this much money so he may not be worth this on the baseball field just due to merchandise ticket sales. All of this stuff. Why bryce harper's worth this amount of money. And not just you know twenty million but twenty five and it's a fun conversation that i always enjoy but you're on either side of the fence there. I know he rubs some people the wrong way. So if you're one of those individuals you hate the annual scott boras press conference that takes place at the winter meetings so i always listen to the clippings online. So i have myself a chuckle. But we're not going to be getting that interaction due to it being virtual here in two thousand and twenty so who are the players. What are the rumors. What are we here in here when it comes to actual substance for the winter meetings this year. We're going to run through them here. There's a lot of players a lot of stories Some of them are probably not true. Some of them are actually true. I'm just going to share with you. Guys what is being heard and you yourselves can of go through and ultimately decide what you think is going to take place this year but our first rumor is. The reds are considering a substantial upgrade at shortstop they had one of the weakest groups and twenty twenty freddie galvez you know was really struggling. But they could trade for francisco lynn door to come to cincinnati keeping him in state. We've heard that for a number of weeks now as a potential landing spot. They could trade for trevor story. That's also a name that keeps popping up as a potential destination. And then you have the guys. Free agency marcus. Simeon andrew simmons glorious gregorious so cincinnati reds fans out there You guys are making rumors making waves that. You're looking to add to that shortstop position by two thousand twenty one next on the list. We have blake snell. He's He's rumored to be on the move and again. This is surprising from the local media. Down there in tampa bay but a lot of national guys keep bringing it up. The san diego padres could be a destination for blake snail. A lotta guys could be interested there. I mean you know tampa. I don't know if they want to move on. You know they lost charlie morton this off season. Now they'd be losing blake's now but san diego. They lost clever journey the injury it could be kicking that around. So we'll see if there's any smoke to that fire there with blake snell. We're also hearing gene cigar. His name could be in a lot of trade rumors. whether it's the shortstop market second base third base east played a bunch of different positions for the phillies the past couple of years. He's a career to eighty five hitter. He's got double digit homers double digit steals. You know he he can still play ball. I mean i don't think he's at the top of his game anymore when it comes to defense. His range laterally has started to shrink. And that's where in philadelphia. They moved him to third or second base. They needed an upgraded the shortstop spot but the guys are professional hitter. He has a two year contract left. I think at thirty one million dollars. So fifteen million a year if you need a veteran presence to come into your team show the young kids what it's like. You could certainly do worse than gene. Segarra out there so other rumors. We're hearing We talked about it in the past. But the dodgers kicking around the tires nolan. Aaron nado bringing him to la again. We discussed about the money coming off. The dodgers books. The prospects they could flip going the other way it's just a matter of aeronautical opting-out signing a new deal and whether it would just happen in free agency but here during the winter meetings you know these guys are gonna get together and i think friedman out there at l. a. is certainly turning the wheels in trying to figure out. Could i get this done. Can this happen in. We'll wait and see. But i would certainly be a tough one. Next we have the mariners are yet mariners. could they be interested in acquiring blake snell. There's another team we mentioned. San diego kicked around the tire. Snell is from the upper northwest so that would be a homecoming for him. That would be interesting to see him on the move again. Let's see here. The nationals looking at kris bryant kris bryant obviously being talked about for a ton of different teams whether it's the mets the phillies the nationals. Who would want to add kris bryant. What would the price be with the cubs realistically look at these opportunities So he is one of the biggest names here at the winter meetings that could be dealt in and it's just a matter of ultimately where it is in for what price chicago's willing to Accept back for bryant services george springer in the blue jays heating up between those two. I find that a bit surprising. I do think the new york. Mets should be the favored for george springer. But again there is some confusion amongst baseball aheads on ultimately. What new york is looking to do. We heard rumors and reports. That they're looking at james mccann at the catcher's position and they haven't really engaged in the jt realmuto sweepstakes which as a phillies fan makes me feel a little bit better. But if they're going mccann. I would certainly be led to believe that that means bauer and then either springer orland door so they look in mccain bauer inland door ultimately in the off season. In new york's one of the biggest wildcards because they're in on every big name. I just named five of them there and their stocks about them getting two to three of those individuals. So do they go. Rea- mutual bauer inland door or springer. And you know springer's one of the first domino's that could fall in with toronto getting a bit aggressive here and could make him a nice offer. Over the next couple of days we could potentially see that market start to manifest itself and come together. So the cincinnati reds. They're looking to trade sunny gray. They are open to adding some prospects. They signed cincinnati sign. Nick castellanos and mike moustakas last year but made the playoffs. Trevor bauer He will obviously look to move on this off season. But he's opened a returning to cincinnati sunny grey zone twenty million over the next two years so it is a feasible contract for a guy thirty one year old to certainly has some value here so if bauer moves on they could look. Look to move on from sonny gray as well to kind of You know restabilize. What's going on there in cincinnati. So what else do we have here. The red sox they liked jay hap- could they bring in j hap- up to boston. We'll have to wait and see. Apparently he has some nice splits. When it comes to fenway and they think he could find success coming down the stretch here. The dodgers they are linked to lefty brad hand formerly of the cleveland indians. They have interest hand. Ten million dollars club option was declined by the indians. So the dodgers looking at guys to the back end of that bullpen kenley. Jansen has one more year left. it looks like he's at the end of his rope. Blake training jake. Mcgee a couple of other guys who could not be back so we'll wait and see what the dodgers do but they're looking at bullpen. Help yada your molina. He's got a number of teams after the cardinals. Obviously he wants to be back with them to finish up his career. The padres the angels. The mets a lot of teams having conversation with yada year to see where he potentially is add in where he could end up but then we got some trade rumors okay. There's you know guys who keep coming up in conversation. I'm just gonna kinda run through those individuals who could be moved here some names you'll know more than others but a lot of times. There is certainly commonality in the names. We hear over the course of the week but first office trevor story francisco indoors the biggest name that has the conversation but trevor story in colorado certainly could look to be moved here over the next couple of days at escobar of the diamondbacks out there in arizona. He'll make just seven and a half million dollars three years. Twenty one million over his deal. He certainly looks to be a bargain based on his return. You have marco gonzalez of the seattle mariners. He's put together a handful of a nice years here. Seven to three one zero yara and eleven starts throw. Strikes gets outs. Twenty eight years old from the left side. Certainly people are going to be looking to add that kind of action. You have jorges so lehrer who has been fantastic He started with the cubs now. He's in kansas city. He's in his final year of arbitration. Going to be a free agent soon so potentially he could be traded next. We have brandon belts of the san francisco giants. He's in his final years of a deal. He signed a number of seasons ago. Thirty two years old still hitting three hundred still effective at first base. He is old sixty two million dollars but again you know his return on a team looking to rebuild at a veteran you could do worse. You have dominic smith the new york mets. He's been fantastic. He had a solid twenty twenty even after a surprising. Twenty nineteen only twenty five years old so teams looking to punch a lottery. Ticket could be interested Joey galloway of the texas rangers. He surprisingly graded out effectively. Defensively in right field for the rangers. This year is still a bit feast or famine when it comes off fence swing and miss but Huge home run power guys like that. Don't come around that often so if you could get him into your system while he's cheap. Try to take advantage of that. You have joe. Musk growth of the pittsburgh pirates. He stay at a solid twenty twenty three eight six. Era only twenty seven years old so he certainly worth a look and then the last guy here yu darvish of the chicago cups. I mean again the cubs kind of going a bit of a rebuild new leadership the oh epstein stepped down. Jed heuer's now around could he look to move on from darvish after he built on a strong second half and twenty nineteen and a runner-up cy young voting and twenty twenty so that contract. That didn't look good early now. Is sitting okay with darvish figuring it out. So do you look to take advantage of that and move on from him as soon as possible but any or all of those things could take place here over the next couple of days in the winter meetings. they're all rumors. I'm sure the internet's avenue. Some fun with some of them but we gonna see some action over the next couple of days and we look forward to it because we can talk about all that and more on thursday's episode but for now we'll pause one last time here for a note from one of our sponsors and one of our sisters shows and then when we come back. We're going to wrap things up. I'm going to talk about the k. B o in japan series both have wrapped up. We'll discuss who won some of the top performers. It's gonna be fun so stick around everyone. We'll be right back. Want to know the latest and soccer that listen to the golden state media concepts soccer podcast from m. l. s. is the world cup the premier league we've got you covered the latest update the hottest matches and news on the league's top players. It's the golden state media concepts soccer. Podcast listen back to the fourth and final segment of the gsm. See baseball podcast brought to you. By the gsm mc podcast network. I'm your host kevin mahalick. Hopefully everybody had a great weekend out there. Football last couple of regular season weeks on the college football season. The big ten coming to an end here next week michigan. Ohio state. Big rivalry game coming up. We just saw lsu alabama this past saturday. Night and rivalry regan before that one so a lot of good stuff happening in college. Football the nfl. Of course continuing. Its chaos games on wednesday afternoon now. We got one monday tuesday. I'm enjoying myself. The more knights football. I can get the better. But they're they're cruising along here. So what i want to with this fourth segment here. Today i wanted to kind of mix things up for you. Guys the k b o. The korean baseball league as well as the japan professional baseball league have both recently concluded They did finish their entire season. So i wanted to give you guys an update on what was going on over there. we're gonna start out in the k b o because again back in march and april. When there wasn't a lot going on television we were watching. The k b o at three four in the morning discussing it here on the podcast heaven ourselves some fun and now that i'm reaching outs in checking it out. These recently concluded the k b o november twenty fourth. So only just a few weeks ago. Few interesting things to look at. That's where we're start here in the fourth segment but Looking at the five teams qualify for the playoffs but also it is very fascinating to see the breakdown of the postseason right so instead of having a bracket style format it basically rewards the regular season the most out of anything i've seen when it comes to professional sports because if you win the regular season and finished in first place you go all the way to the championship series. You get a buy in three rounds of the playoffs. Essentially five out of ten teams make the post season five and four play the winner of that place three the winner of that place to and the winner of that plays one so it puts a huge emphasis on the regular season. And as i'm reading this do. I like this is something i wanna see. I don't think something this drastic is ultimately. What i'm looking for but i do also feel that finishing i i in the regular season like in the national football league giving them a bye to the second round i think is something that other should look at because i mean it happened just a few years ago in the nhl where the tampa bay lightning had one of the best regular season records most points however you to label late in quite some time and then they found themselves in a one week slump and they got swept by the eighth seed so six months of hard work and they run into one week of bounces going against them a team slump and boom. You're out of the playoffs. So what was your reward for. All of that hard work in the postseason are in the regular season. It was that you get to play at home for the first two games during the playoffs while this other team who was. I don't know three quarters of good as you. That's the only thing that they have going against them. So it is just kinda fascinating. But i also don't think three rounds of the postseason should ultimately be how how far you advance here as well. So there's a middle ground going on here somewhere that'll be fascinating to kind of look into but the five seed was the key womb heroes. They went against the lg twins. And here's another little quirk. That the k b o uses for the four or five game. The five team starts this series down one zero in a best of three. So you're down one nothing you essentially got to win two straight or lg would just after win one game ultimately to advance and that's what happened. The twins they won that game four to three and thirteen innings to ultimately win the wild card round by a score of two games to zero. When again they only had to play one game because they started out with a one zero lead but this doesn't carry over to what they call the second round or the semi playoff which then takes place between the three seed dusan bears and the four seed. Lg twins so they play a best of three dussan won the first game four to nothing and the second game nine two seven in. What was a shootout after a seven run fourth inning for the deuce on bear so the three seed dusan they hold serve. They then advanced to face off the two seed. Kt whiz which is now the semifinals but it is what they call the playoff and this is a best of five series so the first two rounds were best of three. The semis are now a best of five. Where deuce on one game one. Three games to two over the k- t- whiz to get the early advantage. They then one game to her. Excuse me they lost game two by a score of five to two so. Kt bounced back taking game to deuce on then. One two games sir. Two to nothing and four to one to ultimately win the series three games to one. So there was your first upset in the k b o the three seed dusan bears defeated the two seed. Kt wiz to advance to the korean series or the finals to face the number one seed nc. Dyno's who once again found themselves receiving a bye with their eighty three fifty five and six record. And i believe rain delays or canceled games. Was that six column that they ended up not making up for the end of the year. So the nc donald's faced off against the dusan bears and see got up to a one game to nothing. Lead the five to three victory. Deuce on then bounced back in game. Two with a five four win dusan also one game three up seven six. So the three seed was up two games to one over the one seed. But that's when the nc dyno's kicked it into gear. They won game four by a score of three games to nothing to even the series to to to the pivotal game. Five went in favor of the nc donald by a score of five to nothing and then the concluding game six. The nc daigneault's took by a score of four two to win the korean series by a score of four games to and ultimately went on so once again being that one seat in the regular season having a by all the way till the finals in the playoffs. Put them together. Dusan bears had a push early but ultimately the diagnose figured things out so. Let's look at an individual perspective. Who stood out here. Who is the batting leaders. hung woo. choi was the average leader at three fifty four for kia this year. Let's go to the home run mark. Let's see who the big guys were. They had yeah. That's right mel row. Haas junior at forty seven home runs for the. Kt guys them. Roberto ramos said thirty. Eight as well as rbi's mel row haas junior had one thirty five and he hit three forty nine so he was five percentage points away from a triple crown. Victory mel row haas. Junior was this year for the kt whiz and this was his fourth year for. Kt's it over three hundred every year. The second time he sat over forty home run. So mel roha certainly has found success. Over in the k. B o offensively. He's enjoying himself. So let's look at the pitching side of things who were the top performers. Eric jockusch led the league in era with the two one. Four e. e. r. a. In twenty seven games. That's an excellent start for him if we go to. The wins column raoul. Okan tara for the deuce on bears went twenty two in thirty one games with two five four. Era he was the only twenty game winner drew rucinsky for the nc daigneault's. He won nineteen games with a three o. Five era let's see. Do we have strikeouts here. We do not we just have home runs. Who gave up. The most home runs. Say wound park gave up. Twenty home runs this year. And then of course you have a handful of guys with zero but the k b o was a lot of fun to follow a lot of the swings or attempts offensively pitching ninja. Put out a video the other day on twitter of a of swing and misses and they do the ballerina completely spin around so not how it is taught stateside at all offense but certainly very entertaining. So there's a couple of guys who have been posted from the k. B o could come over as well as former major leaguers. Who are mega a second opportunity after dominating in the kgb l. So that will be fascinating to see here over the course of the next couple of weeks but now i want to wrap today's episode talking about the professional league in japan or the nippon professional baseball season. This one did undergo some changes through to the corona virus. In some adjustments where the k b o got all one hundred and forty four game so one hundred twenty games were played for the nippon league this year and normally there is a pacific league and a japan league or excuse me a pacific league in a central league which then conclude in the japan series but due to the virus and everything that took place. The pacific league still played their semi-final best of five series but the central league decided that the winner of the regular season in that division would go straight to the japan series and skip that first round playoff series so the winner of the central league a huge advantage. Basically not having to play a first-round series which ultimately you know could have backfired on them. You know it didn't based on record cr but we're looking at it so the pacific league they're quote unquote climax series. This auto also implies the one to nothing games lead due to winning the regular season so it was a best of five but one team came in. The fukuoka softbank hawks came in with the one. Nothing game lead. They won games two and three or games one two however you want to look at it but they had a three zero series lead and ultimately swept that right in the first round but based on regular season record. The softbank hawks were also the top team across the entire league. They were seventy three and forty two. During the regular season the yamahori giants finished sixty seven. Forty five they were on the central league side of things so they were the winners of that league which ultimately led to the yomiuri giants receiving a bye right into the japan series. And the fukuoka softbank hawks. Winning their first round series. And take a shot at the yomiuri giants. Well the hawks game in and they didn't lose the playoff games so they got hot right away. They won two straight in. The semis went into the japan series. One game one by a score of five to one one game two by a score of thirteen to two ultimately take a huge game advantage. The giants weren't able to bounce back and loss game. Three four games four to zero and then lost game. Four four to one and ultimately got swept by the softbank hawks. So the hawks were victorious. They were the winning team over there. In japan for the twenty twenty season. And you know looking at some of the statistics they They break things down in league by league leak and this is where it gets a little tricky right so they don't have overall leaders when it comes to the entire league. You have to look at the central league specific in the pacific league individually so looking at the offensive. The pacific league was more offense in the central league. Had a bit better pitching and you know that certainly aligns and make sense when you put the two next to each other. But in the pacific league masataka led the entire league in batting average. He hit three fifty this year. Second was yuki janaka anita hitting three forty two and can sukey dough hit three forty all in the pacific league this year that would have been top three across them all until keita's and no led the central league in batting with a three twenty eight average central league champion. Three twenty eight specific pacific league at three fifty When you look at home runs if you go down the list here thirty two for detail. Awesome mora in the pacific league. We also had show nakada with thirty one. Those are the only two guys with thirty plus on that side when we look at the central league we have zuma okamoto with thirty one only guy in the thirties and then mona talk more academy with twenty eight as well. So those guys having the best years off offensively and then on the mount we've talked about of course guys who could come over to the league this year but looking at era and who some of the top guys are in the rotation side of things. You had yoshida a no muscle more shahida and top. Closers roberto suarez hedy maury amongst others there as well so The japan league they finished up. They had to cut some things short. But ultimately the softbank hawks and up winning it and then in the k b o they were able to get everything in when only one positive test would have shut them down so shout out to the cabo forgetting everything in there but the nc. Dyno's take home that one as well so that wraps it up here that'll do it. The mc baseball podcast. Another one in the books here. I do appreciate you guys listening. Before i sign off. I would be remiss if i didn't ask you at checkout social media facebook twitter link dan as well as pleased like rate and review the podcast apple podcasts. Spotify wherever you are give us at five star rating sheriff's with one of your friends. That really does help us. Continue to grow here but that'll do it for today's episode. 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#070 (Rebroadcast): The Case for Customer Lifetime Value with Dr. Peter Fader

The Digital Analytics Power Hour

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#070 (Rebroadcast): The Case for Customer Lifetime Value with Dr. Peter Fader

"Welcome to the digital analytics power. Our michael mode. Tim and the occasional guest discussing analytics issues of the day and periodically using explicit language while doing so find them on the web analytics. Our dot is And on twitter at analytics our and now the digital i don't takes power our thoughts about the persona of our typical show listener. We'll call her jiri. She's five foot ten shops at saks. Fifth avenue nordstrom strives. Yeah probably a tesla very intelligent. Yeah pretty mobile. Yeah that's kind of our typical. What do you think. Tim and my nailing that persona i think so i think as we become more and more customer centric as a podcast. It's those sorts of personas that are really going to help us tailor. Once we once we go back with like full on live episodes. I think that's the sort of thing we there's so much value demographics entirely too much. Okay yes we certainly did all right so hedge. Everyone of yes. We still are on hiatus tim. Wilson senior director of analytics at search discovery is here with me. I'm michael hill blamed the founder stacked in lakes and of course we're still lacking co host mo who is doing well though i attend. You have an update from the field. We get enough little exchanges with her clearly. Is she asleep deprived but also finding time to to do a little side projects that occasionally spillover into into our world. So i don't know there's part of me hoping maybe we'll get her to pop in for one of these pre show. Well that'd be delightful anyway so we're still rebroadcasting some episodes real like this one a home diener. So this was episode. Seventy which was a discussion of customers and trysofi lifetime. Customer lifetime value with dr. peter. Fader dr failures really well known And he even written at least one book two or three books about this topic now and has done quite a bit of research in this area. It was just really cool to talk to him and and listening back like a lot of the central premise of what he was talking about. Still holds one hundred percent true today. Yeah i feel like in his book. In had i went back and looked it up because it was like i think originally published in two thousand twelve and then kind of updated twenty twenty so we were talking to between and it was called customers and even this episode kind of opens with him saying that reminded me why the title of the episode was customer lifetime value. But it is. It is actually i look back. That was from when we recorded it till now and i kind of reflect on how my career and understanding his kind of evolved since then and i. It was a good realistic because there are some things that he was saying that i understand more about the how do i remember really enjoying the show at the time because it was kind of a mindset so yeah i mean the little weird to kind of re listen to your self. But he has man. He is so passionate about. The topic has such depth of thought on it. I wonder if he was like listen to it. He'd be like no got more thoughts since two thousand seventeen. I'm sure he does well. I mean just in terms of what's happened with him since that recording. I mean he was. He founded a company I think they're called zodiac or zodiac partner. Or something like that metrics okay. So he mentioned it out now that i have this startup right and and what he was doing was basically working with companies to develop these customer centric models. Well that company was probably promptly bought up by nike nike acquired. That and then He another research partner of his have now formed another company. I think fade equity partners which is taking the idea of customer lifetime value in starting to position it as a way to evaluate certain kinds of companies from a valuation perspective so like for investment. And things like that. So it's sort of like you know there's certain ways we look at company valuations but if you could look at it from a customer perspective out and a lot about it but you know. Maybe that's a misuse case for another episode. At some point. I i will say there's there's one part we should probably call the didn't age. There was one hilarious part in your last call and then there was a part that age super super. Well i think. I know what you're going to talk a little bit of a discussion about facebook and i was down on facebook even at the time. And yeah yeah. Sorta called out. That facebook was was great and did some amazing modeling and that that prompted a a little bit of a research. The sort of place in the timeline of facebook so this pace this episode was recorded in twenty seventeen so it was after the cameras. Analytica shenanigans had happened but it was before those stories kind of kind of kind of i do think that's the part that maybe has an age super well not just cambridge analytica but kind of where facebook sits in what they can do. Well and you know what l. sort of sprung to mind. Because at that time. I was not as aware of what facebook asked advertisers four in terms of metrics. But they completely want rfm level data all of your purchase. You know so how when it happens. It happens with and how much So you know what are their models. Exactly there's probably a huge hunkin component. That's just rfm related so anyways Very fascinating. I think the conversation definitely holds up and it's a pleasure to represent this one so with a deep dive into demographic data personas. Not really though. This is episode number seventy. Do you believe in life after love or do you believe in loving brand for life or if you are brand how do you measure the love that your customers have for you. This is all a roundabout way of asking. How do you think about customer lifetime value and maybe more importantly how do you build your organization into one with customer centric city. I'm pretty sure in all of that. We're going to find some analytics to talk about as well as always i'm joined by my co hosts mo- kiss hello moe. I'm michael. how you going. I'm going great. No wait what's appropriate going greeting. I feel like one of these days. I need to come in with gay. Well how you going. Is that study. Typical united states greeting so. I'm going to attribute that to the australian. Nece shaw work on it later. All right e and tim wilson. Welcome back to the show. Tim where are you doing so long doing. Why are you here. And i'm michael hallway and to help bring a little light to this topic. We went straight to the top of the food chain to find our guest. He is dr peter fater. He's one of the world's foremost thought leaders in customer lifetime value. His research and mathematical models are valued by both startups and fortune. Five hundred companies. He's a graduate of mit professor at the wharton. School is more than twenty five years of experience as a consultant to many of the world's leading brands across many industries. He's also the author of customers and trinity focused on the right customers for strategic advantage. Welcome to the show pete. It's great to be with you. And i guess i'm obligated to give you the philly greeting how you doing. I actually traveled enough to new york. City and philadelphia areas. Like i can pull off a little bit of. I'm walking here. Equated new york and philly so i'm sure you're just alienated the boston new york philly basic. We'll get some comments about all right. So let's get things going. So i think maybe the first thing we really great for us to understand talk to about our listeners is sort of definition of customer century city. Sure thing because it's it's not what the listeners think think. It was a mistake on my part to use that as the title of the book. And the label overarching everything. I do 'cause a lot of people. Customers and trysofi means super-duper customer service. The customer is always right. The the customer is at the center of everything we do and no. That's not what i'm talking about it all. I think that that's kind of. I think that's naive. I think that's disrespectful. Both to the managers within the company as well as the customers it it it can't be implemented. We have to acknowledge that not all customers are created equal. That's just the reality of it. Some of them are really good. Some of them are in fact. A lot of them are and so our ability to understand those differences and leverage them and in fact in particular to put hate to say it. But i mean it disproportionate attention on the really good ones. That's customers centric so it's not just being centered the customer it's being centered around the right customers while at the same time being mindful of those other ones out there that that might not constitute a lot of revenue on an individual basis but collectively. They're still pretty important to us. Yeah i love that. Picking the right customer actually defines you as a business to i. It really does and the same ways in the old days it used to be. Are we going to be all about the product or are we. Are we going to be all about efficiency in this new era. it's going to be. Which customers are we going to be all about and then the products that we develop and the services that we offer and all. That stuff is is exhilarating. Choice of of who. Those focal customers are on that point. I guess i'm interested to hear a little bit about if you're focusing on the customers that are the highest value i guess quote unquote your good customers. You potentially missing some learnings about what leads to a bad customer experience so that you can then fix those things as well. Yeah it's it's a really important and you know. I'm glad you put that up front because sometimes this general point doesn't come up in conversation or sometimes it's at the very end. I seem to be laying out this kind of black and white good and bad customer could dichotomy. And i don't mean to do that at all. I mean i am serious about putting disproportionate amount of attention resources on the good customers. But that doesn't mean it's zero for the other customers and for most businesses like. I said before if it's an eighty twenty role than those eighty percent of the so customers are collectively still kind of important. So maybe you're not going to be quite as responsive to them. Maybe when you're developing new products and services. You don't want to take their pulse quite as much as you want to really focus in on those good customers but you do kind of want to know what's up with them and you do want to know if there's anything systematic that's to chase a lot of them away and if there are some cost effective ways to keep them happy. I think it's worth doing that. It's just that you don't want to prioritize those so-so customers over the really valuable ones so somewhere in in the book. And then all the stuff that i talk about I discussed the paradox of customers. Centric city kind of goes like this the more that we zoom in on those really valuable customers and the one that we really have that insight and the ability to to know who they are in a weird way the more that we need though so so customers just have stability just to have predictability just to keep the lights on in the business so we kinda need them. We need to be you know having a cost effective conversation with them for happy to have relations with them. But it's just going to be a bit more on our terms than theirs when we compare them to the more valuable customers. So if you were if you were making decisions about a product roadmap or a marketing initiative or like a loyalty program and you up white. I suppose the feedback from those good customers is the goal about the by focusing on them to increase the overall number of good customers. Because i noticed in one of the articles that you've written you mentioned about like not wasting time trying to move people that have had a bad experience to the making them have a good experience. But how do you increase the number of good customers if you not at some point focusing on like these bad customers had whatever quote unquote didn't have great experience in these are the reasons why and this will help us. Get more of those high value customers short. Thanks there's actually two really good points there So so one is this kind of quantity versus quality trade off. And then i wanna go back to what you said the outset about the product roadmap but i. It's kind of strange but we need to look acquiring customers is rarely throwing spears and catching whales. Usually it's throwing nets out there recognizing that most of the customers get our. Yeah so so ones. We just hope that we can get a better yield of better customers every time we throw the nets so it's getting a little bit better about how we acquire customers but it's still going to be a quantity game and again most of the customer's knowledge that we have today but even the ones that we're going to acquire tomorrow are going to be merely so so that's the reality of it and i think it's important to recognize that we're still throwing nets. Pretty broadly Even get real smart because it's going to be in most cases impossible to know exactly where those good customers reside. So for instance. You know down down there in australia. There's a lot of noise being made by my my My friend byron sharp About how brands grow and how important. It is to to increase penetration for a company. I agree with that but for different kinds of reason for me penetration having a broad customer. Base isn't an end unto itself. But the kind of broader were out there searching for the right kinds of customers. The it's going to be for us to kind of know where they reside in that ocean of customers. So we're always going to continue to go. Broadly and as we do so we're going to look at those so-so customers and we're going to say what makes them different than the really good ones and so we can basically avoid Over acquiring them so we do want to know about them kind of what makes them tick and and let me give the positive spin on it. To the extent that the so so customers are aligned with the good customers like. Let's go back to the product roadmap. Now i don't like the idea of a product roadmap i wanna customer roadmap the products that we develop will be kind of a natural offshoot of the decisions we make which kinds of customers who wanted to go after so we're going to go after certain kinds of customers that is going to drive the kinds of product decisions. We make but we hope that while we come up with products that are going to be really really appealing to the good customers and track more of them. We're hoping that the socio customers like them as well. That would be icing on the cake. So really do care about the socio customers but just not quite in the same way and again when it comes to product roadmaps when you say words like that it shows that you're not thinking customer centric or if somebody had a title called product analyst. That would be a nightmare. I work in the product team. It's gone we tried but not customer centric. So there's like a fundamental kind of confusion so if you're casting a net and you bring all these customers how do you know from purchase number one which ones are good and which ones are so so like how do you well for a start up. We don't i it so we have to wait some amount of time to really see their goodness manifest. Part of my job is to figure out how little data and how little time we need to wait in order to do that but the other part of the job is what can we leverage from our previously acquired customers. It's going to give a pretty good sense about this. Just acquired customer to know whether he or she is a good win or not. So for instance every time we acquire a customer. Let's look at every possible characteristic every possible to scripture that we get of that initial purchase. So when did we acquire that person. Through what channel. What was the first product that they bought from us. What campaign did they respond to. Even bring in demographics. I'm fine with that. And on the basis of all those descriptors see how close they resemble other customers that we have and some sense come up with a weighted average of all of our existing customers to say. Here's our initial best guests about this just acquired costumer and if this customer seems to have all the right characteristics then that's great we'll put them right in the red carpet gold medal blue ribbon club even though we don't have a lot of information about them so so i think that's a really interesting challenge. Look like model but you have to start by saying take. My historical data set figure out who my best ones are. There may be three or four twenty seven different combinations of characteristics but it is truly about kind of a modeling exercise so that then when somebody comes in you can start being kind of probabilistic as to how how valuable they will be absolutely. And i'll be the first to admit that when it comes to all of the fun things that we can do with customer lifetime value number one on most people's lists would be to use that as the basis for look alike modeling and with a lot of the companies that i work with showing how we can move the needle by doing look alike modeling on the basis of c. Lv instead of other lesser characteristics. That's what really opens. Their eyes is. Okay okay okay. Not telling me the forty nine other fun things to do so that is again. It's it's a great point to be raising early And just helping companies recognize that and to do it. The right way is really important because then all the other benefits follow from there. So what would you say to someone. Who's like hey apple didn't follow a customer centric model jobs like the product of no but i'm asking a loaded question because i think a lot of people out there would kind of be like well you know henry ford said. Don't you know if they ask customers what they wanted. They'd want a faster horse. So then in a customer centric mindset like there is an answer to this and i think that's what i want to kind of give a bridge so they don't have to feel like there's there's a choose assign you know what i'll help you build that bridge but i i pick up on the very last point. Michael which is to say. I think you do have to choose. I think a company has to decide what is fundamental strategy is going to be. Are you going to be a product lead or we are the best best best at what we sell. An apple is the exemplar of that. Are we going to focus on operational efficiency. That man just turn the crank really well and keep the cost down amazon walmart zara in companies. That are just really good at getting stuff out there or are we going to be customer centric. I don't think the customer centric city is the right strategy for every company. I think it's the right strategy for maybe maybe a third of the companies and if you are finding great success as an apple tremendous stay with it but here's the thing eventually it does come ties eventually does plateau. That's what's starting to happen to apple today. I and the problem is too many other companies. Emulate them when they shouldn't be. I'm gonna tell you specific story. I'm going to name names over here. So in this conversation was surely gonna talk about net promoter score and we can get to that per listeners. Who aren't familiar with it. We'll fill in the blanks on it. But i was giving a keynote talk for bain consulting you know the originators of nps. I was gonna keynote at their. Nps loyalty for a couple years ago. And i'm giving all this stuff about how can picks up on this. The the early part of the conversation we have to understand what makes the promoters different from the detractors and instead of trying to turn the detractors into promoters. let's just find more promoters. Let's just get smart about it. And you know people are kinda give non their heads with me and then the woman sitting over there on the front row speaks up. And it's angela aaron's the person who runs apple retail and she says an apple. That's not how we do it at apple. We want to delight every body or something like this week. We're going to find what ails those detractors. And we're going to fix it and so all of a sudden she's completely turned the room. Everybody is now nodding their heads of what she said. But i'm not gonna give up on this. So i say say with all due respect and i really do me now i mean because i have tremendous amount of respect for apple but every other company in the room. You're not apple and you never will be and so trying to follow the apple strategy and emulating apple tactics is not going to work for you so this is going to be great for apple and that's terrific because you will have customers lining up around the block every time you launch a product. They don't even know anything about it but the rest of you don't have that and you're never going to have that or until you have that you gotta listen to me instead and it's going to be you know focusing on those better customers recognizing that those so-so ones are born that way and are probably going to stay that way and you really got to focus on those differences instead so for apple. You know great credit to them. But it's kind of interesting that i'm starting to get a few more emails and things every now and again it's clear that the reading some of my papers and are asking me some technical questions and they're asking me about some of the dance steps of customers interesting so that doesn't mean they're going to abandon product leadership but it means they do need to kind of shore up some of their weaknesses on the customer centric dimension just on the net promoter score. I'm curious to hear your views about why customer lifetime value if we're talking about being customer centric. Why isn't a customer happiness metric appropriate. Because doesn't a happy customer means someone who's more likely to be brand loyal someone who's more likely to come back. I'm just curious to hear. Well i have. I don't even call it a love hate relationship but i have probably more love for. Nps than any other academic most academics hate hate hate nps because it is such a simple measure and a lot of my colleagues in the field of marketing have been developing these elaborate very carefully validated on customer satisfaction schemes. Over the years. You know hundred questions and then there's one question comes along you know. Will you recommend us and it kinda blows them all out of the waters. Everyone just just loves to hate. Nps i actually love it for a number of reasons number one no particular order but what the heck number one is the fact that it celebrates heterogeneity the fact that instead of looking at an average satisfaction score. We're looking at the differences we recognize. There are some love some don't and it's the difference across them. The really indicates how well we're doing. So i love that number two. I love the fact that the simplicity makes it very comparable so we can really see how we're doing for different kinds of segments of customers are different geographies or different product lines number three. Maybe the most important reason is that it is the first time that accuster metric has really gained the attention of ceo's and other sea level people so for me nps is kind of a foot in the door to get them to actually care about customers to get them to appreciate differences across customers and to get them to ask other kinds of questions about it. So i'm fine with net promoter score and really to your point mall having an attitudinal metric as a complement to kind of financial behavioral. Clv metric. i think he's a great thing again. I developed the world's best seal v models but on the first to admit that there are still incomplete and there are still aspects of what's going on inside the customers head that aren't necessarily reflected in those metrics so the you know the ultimate thing is to have both is to have the behavioral metric. That's just looking at transactions but having some kind of attitudinal metric whether nps or something else that might either aligned with it or pick up some other aspects of it so really spend a lot of time talking to companies about trying to now that you've got nps now it's a slide seal the in there as well not necessarily as a replacement for nps. I actually think. I completely agree with you. Al on number one company. Kpi's nps and what. I do find difficult about that. Is that it's really an output metric. It's far down the funnel we send out survey survey quite late after a customers purchased at having something a little bit more tangible and i agree in having some kind of monetary value is important. So i think that's a really good suggestion to have the to complement each other. And i'm so happy to say the first of all. I'm glad you agree. But i'm so happy to say that a lot of companies on the wrong. I've been coming to me saying we got the nps thing. We've been drinking that kool aid. We understand how good it can be. But we know there's more so can you help us bring. Clv in as well. So i i think that. Nps has done a really great job of just elevating companies awareness of what kinds of metrics they need and it's created demand for seal v. That just wouldn't exist. If the folks at bain. Fred reichheld in particular. I hadn't done all that great work. I know fifteen twenty years ago but is there that fundamental that the the way to move the nps score is to increase promoters and decreased detractors. You generally think really wait more towards the get more promoters and do more with your promoters. Is that a fair. It is a fair statement. And it's the biggest problems that i find. I'm glad to give you the whole list of of of issues of why people throw things at me and disagree but this this could be number one on the list. The idea that i'm basically being so fatalistic about and saying they're bad. Customers live with them A lot of companies. Take that personally it means. It's it's failing of them as people or as corporations that we can turn these these ugly ducklings into beautiful swans. Now let me. I clarify my position by saying. I recognize that customer development. The improving of our existing customers is absolutely part of the the holy trinity of customers. Interesting customer acquisition customer retention and customer development. We are going to try all the time. We're going to be asking questions. Do you want fries with that. Do you want to supersize it. You know to to cross sell up sell. But in most cases those development activities are going to be kind of transient. They're going to be opportunistic. They're not going to be transformational. They're not going to be turning the ugly ducklings into beautiful swans. And you know what even at times when they do appear to be transformational. My view is in the data. Seems to support this that those customers were actually born good. They were good all the time. But you just didn't put the right kinds of products in front of them. You didn't respond to their knees. You kind of. You're undervaluing them. Because of managing the relationship poorly and finally opened up and unlocked the value that existed with them all the time too often companies are putting themselves on the back for those transformations when they occur. Look i will acknowledge that there will be some customer dynamics overtime you know the classic story and financial services where someone starts with the student loan and then they get the car loan and they get the mortgage then the home equity line the boat loan. I mean there will be some growth in customers over time. But it's not as easy to orchestrate that or to make it happen over short period of time than what a lot of companies believe so another sort of nagging question. I have is how of the company's organizations you're working with it or embracing or or even have the potential to shift where does cpg where does packaged goods are for the european cpg fm cd's. They make me so sad. There are few sectors out there that have the real desire the real willingness to do this. And and they're always trying initiatives here and there whether it's let's get some kind of social media so we can start developing direct relations with our customers. Hey let's get a loyalty program going. Hey let's put in store tracking this or that or hey let's go out there and spend a billion dollars and buy a dollar shave club. That's probably not even worth half of that. Let's do the things so we can start to kind of get in the game as well and it's really hard for them because you know putting aside their current customers retailers to the extent that they can be customer centric with their end users which is what they aspire to do. It's really really really difficult. So they have all these smart people and they're really trying hard things. But then i turn around and look at the idiots that we call retailers who have good data. who have the capability to offer different kinds of products and services. Who have the ability to do all of this stuff. And they're just too lazy risk-averse cheap stupid to actually do it. So i really feel for the cpg's who want to but yet in a position and it just makes me even more angry about the retailers who had just have this golden gift that the cbgb's would die for and they don't take full advantage of it so at this point. I'm mike confess that i worked for a retailer. Old fellows are late stupid. Am i say west retailers team as a product data and giving you a hard time. I actually funnily enough. I wanted to talk a little bit about online retail particularly in e commerce. Does this whole view of customer centric city and this approach doesn't really start with single customer view because i know that in like where totally online one of the difficulties like if someone's coming into a store it's a little bit different. It's a person. They have a loyalty card or whatever it is in the online space particularly people will have multiple accounts. Multiple email addresses is part of understanding their value to the business. Starting with that outset of how do we actually get that single view of a customer across devices across accounts. What are your thoughts on that. So you ask specifically is at the starting point so so let me get that in a second. But is that single view of the customer essential. Yes it is. Is it the starting point not necessarily so it could be looked at the starting point is kind of just getting the mindset around all the stuff that this is what we want to do. Here's how we're going to design the organization to do so. Yes at some point. We're going to have to have that single view of the customer to really act on it but you know what if a company wants to start with some kind of proxy measure for customer lifetime value. Even if it's net promoter score that's fine with me. Let's just kind of get some placeholder in there just so we can get going with it and let's think of a of course. The king of online retailing amazon. You know when. Jeff bezos got that company off the ground. His objective was to find rich people and he admits this is a really nice interview with them recently. He said he wanted to find rich people because he had the sense that that would be a good proxy measure for what we call. Clv he's not that right about it but he had nothing so let's start with a proxy measure and let's think about products that will disproportionately appeal to the rich people books. And that's really what led to the whole amazon story. So i'm fine if a company doesn't necessarily start with that single view but at that really does have to be on the road map pretty early on and i really worry because a lot of companies grossly under invest in that single view in crm systems. They're trying to look at. Let's say crm as an end unto itself. We'll assist them. Pay for itself and the answer is no but we'll clean bathrooms play pay for themselves. No is this something that a company just has to do and the the the the value of it will show up once we start to see and leverage the seal vs so yeah. We have to get there. Yeah we have to get pretty early. Yeah we have to do it in smart away. It's not just some kind of you know Function this way down in the organization. You know the cmo himself or herself should really really care about that instead of worrying so much about just the brand. I think it it. It is mission critical. Most companies not just retailers. Don't fully appreciate. Yeah so un. You touched a little bit. Before on demographics and became to avoid it avoid the race that is because people continually ask analysts for what is the average customer. What is the persona about typical customer. And i mean how does that really conflict in. What are the dangers here. If you're trying to be customer centric but lots of people coming in with that mindset of trying to be customer centric so the first thing we're going to do is look at demographics we're gonna look at you. Know out typical customer. Do you have any advice on that. I do in fact you see the hairline here. You see how it's all working. It's way back. That's demographics. I'm just pulling out from all these companies that a don't get it in the first place but be even after i educate them about now it really is about what they do not what they look like they say. Okay that's great. That's good now now. Tell me about the demographic. No that's a in the nineteen fifties when the only thing we could measure about our customers is what they looked like that made all the sense in the world. That's the only way that we put people in buckets and we would start with those demographically oriented buckets and we'd say which of those buckets is best. Which is buckets is the best fit for us. you know. we're going to produce these products product centric but which one of those demographic buckets just seems to be the best fit with the products. We are going to produce anyway. I mean that's the way companies operated. That's the way companies still operate. It's just a shame that's just this legacy mindset that that persists today. Here's the role of demographics. Put them aside at least for starters. Let's start with meaningful measures or indicators of customer value first and foremost it's what they do it's recency frequency monetary value. It's behavior it's transactions. I have no problem bringing into that. Mix attitudinal variables like net promoter score or just other things about wants needs and frustrations that might not be picked up in the behavior. I have no problem bringing in social type variables like where are you located in the social graph and if you're surrounded by high value customers then we should treat you well to even if you haven't manifested that value after we do all that after we come up with our clv's then we can bring in the demographics then we can bring in the personas then we can bring in all the other old school variables to say now that we see the clv's are there demographic differences between the high and low value ones. The answer is usually not if there are then. I'm totally fine to seize. Polly's just not tim for once and last piece of this rant for pulsar hair out. It recognize that who even after we wave our magic wand and see the clv's across all of our customers. We need to go to the sales people and just to to to even to the folks come up with the marketing messages. And we can't just say go after those people and these are the ones to leave alone. We need to come up with with some kind of tangible description. So i'm actually in a weird way with personas as long as they are driven by customer lifetime value. What is stereotype. That makes these customers different than these customers over here. And even if it's not perfect even if it doesn't perfectly describe those customers uniquely exclusively if it's just gonna be an approximation that steers some of our resources in the right direction. I'm okay doing that as a starting point because again with chuck in nets not spears i and so as long as we can just get a little bit better about the direction of them. Graphics can help us do that. But it shouldn't be the starting point when it seems like the persona exercise if you have that customer lifetime value data to develop your persona. That's forcing you sort of think through. Who are the customers that are most valuable to you. Which ultimately that that whole value describing personas so that the creative team has something tangible in their mind but that does seem like a shift. It's not you're not describing this. You know fifteen to twenty seven year old female living in rural areas. You're describing something more from a lifetime value for detroit brand exactly right so again. I'm i'm fine. Larry personas on to bring the vs to life. But that's very different than the way a lot of companies pursuant. Which is they just kind of. Make stuff up that we want busy. Betty working wanda professional. Paul things up based on Just a purely stereo. Typical guess about their customer base And the problem is by my legitimising personas at all even when i say it's this limited application for them once i say it's okay to use personas at all people take the wrong idea and then they run the wrong direction with it. People are so consumed by demographics. And don't even get me started on the home of lineal thing. I mean And i would have really thought that thank you. Let's take it back to ecommerce that the thanks ecommerce we really do have the ability to tag and track individuals and really understand how the different from each other in meaningful ways that a lot of the demographic and persona stuff would have kind of shriveled up and started to go away by now it. Hasn't it's going strong as ever before. And i think it's a real problem that That e commerce companies should be kind of leading the way in changing practices and some of them are but for the most part when they when it's time when the company grows big enough and it's time to hire the cmo they're bringing that person in from p. and g. or unilever and they're kind of bringing the same bad dumb practices with them so and i don't mean that the disrespectful those companies because for those companies that's the only thing they can do but to bring cpg practices into e. Commerce is generally. Not letting you kind of you know. Play your strongest suit. He could be like walmart. Just keep bringing ecommerce into your company. What walmart is really really really interesting in that way. Because you know in my book. I kinda singled out walmart again not been negative about them saying. They're pursuing operationally efficient strategy. So they don't have to worry about the customer centric thing but to their credit Who might question the the the the means that. They're doing it or the amount of money that they're paying for it but the the fact that they are trying to learn a little bit more about it and move in that direction it's not only with the acquisitions but it's even some of the technologies that they're using the other thing get much less attention. So for instance walmart does not have a loyalty program and if you ask them why because that would be overhead and i would raise our costs and we don't want to do that kind of thing but we want to do is to try to get the benefits of a loyalty program without actually having one for instance. Let's come up with this. I forget what they call it scan and go or something like that. I'm mobile app. We actually scan the products in the store. And then when you check out instead of having everything pull it out of the car and put it on the conveyor belt. You just hold up the app and it says here's all the stuff that you bought for them. It's labor savings people. Getting out of the store faster. They can hire fewer people. It helps them be more operationally efficient but at the same time it gives them the data that they would have from a loyalty program so walmart to their credit. They are taking steps in this direction. And part of it does come through the acquisitions as well. So so they're acknowledging the need to kind of that side of the business. They're not there yet. But i i'm interested to see how it's gonna play out for them. I wonder if the demographics bent is also being somewhat demographic while it's going to say how the media side of like facebook when they're selling advertising they have the highest volume of gender and age. You know they. They know that. And i feel like there's that piece to when it comes to when you're setting up a campaign they're saying. Oh this is the easy thing for us for you to pick or it's the easiest thing we feel the most comfortable inferring. So there's a little bit of canada unhealthy feedback loop of where they're saying. We can target these demographic characteristics much better than we can target. You know certain way. Direct customer lifetime value but also other characteristics so sure so as catching facebook is is facilitating bad practices. They're not promoting them. But you know. That's what their advertisers want. They just gotta be there for them but at the same time lets facebook some credit to some of the things that they've been doing some of the algorithms that they developed are really really good. So i on the technology side. I'm amazed at how people are aware of the atlas technology that they have Which really i mean has has google and all the other big tech firms worried because facebook. That's an amazing piece of technology to really linked together behavior across different platforms and then on the flip side. What they're doing with their facebook lookalikes is. It's really great. It's actually a lot better than the equivalent. Service that google and the others offer. So i don't know what's going on inside that black box. But when i'm working with companies and saying hey here's the people let's go to facebook and come up with other customers. Who resemble them. They're doing a pretty good job of that And so part of that might be demographics. Sure but i think a lot of it is based on other characteristics. And they're they're kind of finding a genuinely good lookalike customer so so facebook they they get it but at the same time. They can't completely move away from demographics they'd be out of business tomorrow well. But it's just like they've got the the offer the product where you can upload a bunch email addresses and do the matches. And it'll all be hashed and protected the nell sorta do look alike but it seems like companies are like ooh. That's that's hard and we don't trust it like uploading our customer data to facebook. So that's where it's like. They've sort of enabled it. I also think they've got like some brilliant data scientists predictive analytics models over atlas developing people. And then they've got the people who were doing what analysts get to where they can actually count a video view correctly and they keep having egg on their face so clearly like two different buildings where one is like so stuck in like two thousand and two. We can't even count view on the other end. They're doing this amazing stuff but there there's my rant an got one in so we've got time for one more question about demographics kid. I actually do have a kind of demographic. Keep but related okay. So if you're advocating for looking at what customers do instead of who they are. That's the day word i just. I wonder if there's a slippery slope. And i again have my product hat on here where you go okay. Good customers out customers with high ceo v. they do these things on al product right. So let's try and make all of our customers do these things and i've seen that play out with really dire consequences. How do you reconcile that with instead. Saying yes these are the things that are high customers do but we acknowledge that not. Everyone wants to do them. So let's just build great features that support people to do things when they want to do them. So let's when when it comes time to product development. Let's not aim for that average. Let's not say what products can we develop. That will be you know widely loved. I'm gonna give a big shout out to one of my favorite companies that does so well electronic arts the gaming company I'm overstating things a little bit here. But but philosophically when they launched a new game for them. it's not. How many units of the game did we ship. Because you know what. Suppose all of the people who buy that game are low value customers who never bought from us before will never buy from us again. The lasting value of that game is nothing on the other hand. If we can develop a game maybe fewer people will buy it but those who buy it will either become high value. Customers or or high value customers will become even more valuable than the value of that game could be thousand x. Over the number of sales of it so we shouldn't really be worrying about just what products or what features will sell. We should be saying. What are the things that we can do to enhance value. Were tracked more valuable customers. And so yeah that takes us to to the product. Roadmap is really the the customer roadmap. So it's not so much. How can we get those so-so customers to love this product to. I mean it would be great if we could if we could do that in. Some really cost effective way to get them to wake up and enjoy this great product. That would be fine. But in most cases those same resources will be better allocated to appeal to to either come with features or new products. That will be more appealing to the high value customers. And if they want to buy it like. I said before icing on the cake. We're happy to have them by it too. So there's there's sort of. I don't know that they're emerging but there are sort of newer industries around service design and experience management. They're sort of coming at this customer century city maybe from a experience or user kind of perspective. How in your view. How those intersect with sort of this customer centuries michael for the most part. I disagree with the premise. I think most companies that are going heavy duty into the thing are doing it. Just because it's they're doing a product centric way. So what experiences. Can we wrap around the product that will get people to buy it instead of going amazon so it. I don't think that they're doing it in a customer. Centric waves there during a customer. Centric way they'd be saying okay. We got these high value customers over here what what. Experiences be particularly appealing to them. And you know might be appealing to the others as well if they're celebrating heterogeneity as they design and evaluate those experiences. Then i'm good with it. But if the doing it and some kind of one-size-fits-all way what will make the customer happy which is really what's going on. Then we're just in the same place that we were and the corollary to that is how they do the measurement and anytime you're doing any kind of cx campaign should be just like the product example that you just mentioned what was the ceo. V of the customers who participate in that campaign before. and after. And that's how we're gonna find of israeli bringing value or not and instead competent to say that it helps us sell more product or not. So i don't see. Cx as being aligned with customer. Simplicity in less companies are doing it. That way which most of them aren't if anything they're they're using it just as a way to almost stick their heads in the sand. And isn't it's the next shiny object that they can chase after so they don't have to deal with the date and the analytics and the co vs right now. That's that's great love perspective and you keep using this word seal v. What does that say that. So everyone understands what the letters mean but people don't appreciate a how accurate we can make these forecasts that that's kind of frustration number two. Maybe behind the that. The demographics is Is is is people. Don't trust it people would rather Run their business on backward-looking metrics because they can measure them precisely rather than News forward looking projections kiss. They're just not sure about it. I and so what i look. This is my academic thing. I want to teach people not just trust it but how to validate it how to know whether these models are accurate or not here the pictures you wanna look at the test. You want to run the models work really really really well and in l. Let's say we're talking about retail in a non contractual setting so whether we're talking about retailers are airlines or hotel chains are pharmaceuticals or industrial distribution or mobile games or console games with no contract. It's just people doing things over time. And then whatever reasons they just stopped doing it. It's the same model so you don't necessarily need to develop a custom model for each different sector. I can take my non-contractual model off the shelf and apply it to the next non-contractual business beat a b. or b. two c. product or service doesn't matter so so i'm trying to convince people that sylvia's more than just a bunch of letters. It's something real. It's something a tangible and valla dateable broadly applicable to me. I'm obviously biased see. Lv is actually much more practical than the kind of hot topic these days in the analytic space attribution modeling wrong. Somebody who loves that. I'm i'm not going to be critical about attribution. I think it's an important task to wanna do. Except you can never validate attribution model so another. I'm developing my research to we can develop the model itself but we can never know if the attribution if the assignment value is correct. We know what truth is where we can validate it. We can say over the next two years. How many purchases will this person make did. They are not so. I think we want to start with the stuff that we really can measure and validate and once we have once we've really exhausted. All of the valla dateable metrics them. Let's start bringing in the stuff. That's that's important but a little bit more taking it on faith so again. I'm not criticizing attribution. But i'm saying i i wish companies would would i start with clv and in fact when you're doing after bution model do it for clv not just do it for did we have a conversion or not so anyway. You get the off gassing. I've got to ask two quick quick calculation on day. You say you can use it. So is there a fixed timeframe or does that vary by business into are you are you. Typically discounting is there is a net present value. Where you're discounting the you definitely do that. What about short thing so with the with the discount rate absolutely and if you read any of my papers you're gonna hate me because i always in my papers us ten percent. Why because that's how many fingers i have. I mean it's just a number. I think it's really really important for companies to think very carefully about what that discount rate is at the very least. It should be the weighted average cost of capital. But you might even say depending on which which geographic area. We're looking at a which customers second we're looking at. Maybe we should be using the differential discount rate based on the inherent or the expected riskiness that the customer base. These are conversations. I was never having until about two years ago. Until i got my own you know. Clv startup off the ground. And now we're really trying to educate companies about using the right discount rate so that was questioned to what was the first one on the first one is going to be the timeframe which the discount radel effect when it becomes meaningless. Because you're discount rates giving give you a natural rosen absolutely to timeframe goes back to an earlier. Question you asked is again. I wanted to be a shortest possible. That if i have a really good. Clv model. and if i can leverage the data across other customers have acquired in the past. I'm not going to need a long timeframe so and but to your main point it does depend that for those new customers. That i don't know much about them and i am going to want to go through several purchase cycles to see if they're staying with me or not you know if we're talking about mattresses or refrigerators. It's going to be a little bit longer than if we're talking about a mobile game where it takes me. Maybe a week know what their seal the is going to be. So so time for it does matter but having said that if we stretch shrink that timeframe again recognizing that for frigerator long for mobile games short the basic patterns of customers doing things over time and how it differs across customers and how they tend to slow down on an individual level the the overall patterns are still remarkably similar cool. Okay outdone right now. We do have to sadly we do have to start to wrap up. This has been a great conversation. And i think we'll probably spearhead a number of additional conversations in the analytics community for sure one of the things we do on the shows we go round the horn and we share. Alaska will call last call. Which is anything. That's interesting that we've observed recently can be analytics related. Not let's related or you know if you have a new book coming out that'd be great to about to do but you said pete was you've you have one so yeah the cool no thing. I've mentioned very briefly before they got this customer. Centric city simulation. Coming out It's it exists right now nor happy to share it It's a. It's a great way to get people to understand the difference being product. Customer centric city. This is nothing like jumping behind the driver's seat and say our job is to build as profitable customer base as possible. So it kinda custer's do we want. How much are we willing to spend on them. How much are we going to allocate acquisition versus retention and development. Are we going to develop a loyalty. Program is crm system all of this stuff to really bring these principles life but in a really fun experiential and competitive kind of way in early two thousand eighteen. We're going to have this thing out there. Broadly for not only for companies to use as kind of an in house training exercise but even for individuals to kind of buy it and play the game and and and just do it for fun so customers intracity simulation. You heard it here first and all the kids will be doing it soon. enough settle. Is that one that the companies when they're using it they'll be there'll be some tweaking to make it more real fit with them. Or is it a generic scenario. I it's generic a at first at some three d. printing company. It doesn't even matter the the parameters that are in. There are pretty realistic. But i think once you get people to appreciate it then of course for me. It's a trojan horse to to some of the academic work that it's okay company. Now give me your data and we'll kind of build some of the same kinds of models for you to understand how long customers sustained around. And how do they differ from each other and spending and how responsive are they different. Mark activties so so. It's not so much that the sim itself can be tweaked. Although i suppose it can be But it's more to then get companies to just want to not play the game but actually this for real on their own with their own data. Got nice i right going down the line mode. You have less call. I do indeed. i'm stealing. Tim's thunder because mine. This week is actually an r. Package which i just discovered i am so excited to try out. So it's the g mail our package now. The reason i think it's really cool. And i wanted to mention it is because lots of analysts and this is the case of how we discovered it lets analysts. Get like ceus vase that are sent to them automatically to their they download them than they do. A bunch of stuff with them with the g mail package you can now get it to read your email. Download the toll. The stuff that you want to do. And then ray sent out by email so you don't even actually have to open g mail or whatever it is or which is just it blew. My aunt demographic data will just delete the our automatically delays. Yes that was my really cool. Find and i saw it being used really well. The other day in that context are right. I'm going to do one. But it's it's a silly silly. Actually my last call is a podcast specifically episode seventy of the digital analytics power. So here's why though so sort of analytics power our first to recruit people to go back and re listen to this episode. So i've been taking notes this whole time and there's been like probably as nine interesting things to go explore from here that i think our listeners should go back in time when they could actually jot some of these things down so they don't lose them. There's some really critical marketing ideas and analytical ideas that will advance your your life as an analyst pretty significantly you know and love it had to do with us as the host of the show and then also guest equal measure balance. That's my attribution. I can't validate that. I i've literally written down about eight or nine things. There's been like that's in some of it's really validating to like i've been telling our clients for longtime use the behavioral data to inform persona builds. Like build off of behaviors. And then bring in this other stuff because the people build them just to make the yeah soccer moms and you know whatever anyway. Sorry tim. what's your last call. So i i want to call out. The mo- actually did more talking than i did as a host this time. I believe if if ever that it's been it's thought that it could not have been done in seventy episodes happened. I was not one costly. Cutting people off my we extend hosting so so. My last call is a columbus ohio homer and call out the women in digital annual conference. October twenty fifth through twenty seventh so a past wednesday columbus attendee. Elena share started. This is like a year and a half or so ago and i was kind of oblivious to it. But it's two things to call out one at the women digital is there's all this woman in analytics kind of momentum going on and a lot of good stuff happening from the da which is awesome. The women in digital seems like it's pretty closely. There's women in technology women in tech as well kind of west coast. I think driven but one thing that i just thought was really need every time. There's a women in something slack. Channel forum mentor program. There is the kid guys be there or not and it's always kind of a binary i just thought. It was super clever that the women digital the annual conferences. The only thing that we're guys are allowed but it is limited to four percent of their registrants. Which i thought was like. That's the way that's like a great way to nail it like yet guys can come. But you're going to be in the extreme minority so check it out. They've got some pretty cool Speakers lined up. And if you're up for head into beautiful columbus in the mid fall. Weather's usually pretty good about that time. And hey you have to line up for the bathroom. Well never do. it's true it's not as women know what analytics conference. It's normally only time. We don't have to line up which one hundred in sorry good. We're all working right anyway. This you know. I already kind of made a little bit of it. Oh my gosh to this episode. But i really enjoyed this and i think our our listeners. Have we'll probably joy as well if you've been listening. And you've got thoughts ideas questions feel free to reach out to us. Pd you use the twitter's or the social media's their ways people could contact you. I'm big into the twitter. Yes in fact. That's all the time. I'm finding articles or whatever blogs about people doing particularly smart or usually dumb things about interesting analytics so fatal pee on the twitter. Happy to link in with people You know email whatever else. I hope you can pretty passionate about this stuff And i'm on a mission to to bring these ideas and the metrics associated with them to practice appreciate your help and facilitating that and then real glad to engage with anyone else who wants to explore the possibilities free to reach out to us with questions. Follow peter fader on twitter. You can find us on our facebook page on our twitter page and At our website analytics. Our dot. I o. and on the measure slack Which we're all part of and so again peter pleasure to have you on the show and the privilege to be with you. Let's do it again. This is some really good stuff. 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167: Remarrying Your Spouse with Assael & Galit Romanelli

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167: Remarrying Your Spouse with Assael & Galit Romanelli

"Welcome to life picks relationships helping you understand end in live in your marriage through the various perspectives and experiences of others. Who found a way to prioritize. What's really important in life from new love to those that have weathered the storms. Let's get ready to take your relationships to the next level with your host s. T. like sixers. Hope you're having an awesome day. Are you ready to better understand yourself your partner and your marriage. Oh yeah you will on this episode on super excited to get into if you enjoy this episode. Don't forget to share it with your family. In france they too can go have an extraordinary relationship building us. Reach your goal of one million downloads per episode by the end of twenty twenty five now for today's episode. I am super excited to bring this couple. Who had a really interesting background. I'm gonna let them share it because it's really complicated and really unique and i found it so interesting. So we're going to have them go and share it. But they each have their own professional experience their own personal experiences coming out working together on the potential state model. I'm so excited to start speaking with them. You find out more about them. At potential state dot com. I'm gonna put older links in there also have an amazing youtube retention state. You'll wanna go and find out on their website. You'll go and have to thank you so much. Got lena salvi gear on so excited to be speaking with you. I even like contain my excitement anymore. You want to start telling us how you guys met. Yes so. I in landon like you back to is bounce to live my life My mouth yards. Describe and i started working at The conservatives outmuscle do you wanna be heard worse and uh said. I was exhausted. Jar air wise management. That your answer. He cameron soccer's now and yet like he was not a regular employee and he wants it and i was smitten and but it like very confident of himself and then you know he got my sense unusual and asked me teach deigning hammond igor buick related. She would just like say western behind seating but it wasn't a south this he had in his she and then he you mean against even more hong sounds like now and now eight months later. He calls deeply depressed now. Lonely took time like when you actually met each other until you start really dating and sahara. I was not performing us acting. Narcissists date office manages your and that's why active blowing it off until a couple months later. I decided to try to zero to call the assing. I gave her and this same date. Michael hill was the best I was twenty seven six x almost examined anywhere. What just earned six months later. Why is that is not clear beards. Eleven years learn allow. And how many kids. So how has your relationship. Then you weren't working together where you so. What was it like like now. They are working together before we get into. What exactly do how has affected your marriage versus like any other couple. Just works separately. This only laid over this past year year and a half and working together. And i think you had to do with that shit in our relationship like we went through we talk about entering jared seige her relationship and kind of we all we all marijuana and west mother are we going to remarry. Our partners are reading now. You know mary knew about does that. Really interesting we all. Mary each other more than marry more than once. What do you mean by that. This has favoring lines while at all how you will have more on that. But i think this is something that devolved in our second marriage Working together and see my gut lose like do you want to share so couple on six therapist. She talks about every couple months questions in always changing. The parents had marriage for forty years and today we measure marriages not by the amount of years. How many marriages and what we do. Certainly it's gotta be or remarried grow grue- indira to re enter the marriage let it evolve because from the second date per second date. Every couple dances that they nam gary which they basically unconscious danced around these attracted nation for the future and asked me all you need to revisit dot com need visit and bills and continues belts asks. You ro any off so they wanted to change the later years later energies. Nash is realize remarried arm. The price lock the pace. Go really crucible relationship but for a lot of people your one mirrors whenever they have not seen Case that's not true. It's not when you put it like that. Makes us almost like seem naive to think that this is how it's going to stay from like whatever age you get married until the day you die like really so much happens in life. That passing personally were a decade ago. How is not possible to be the same person every seven years later. Reselling buys physical Usually sexually intellectually spiritually everything. Everything had houston. Now your second marriage like how do you know at what stage you're hitting your like is it like you seeking our rock bottom and it got really bad or like what happens that you know you're onto your next marriage or i'm going to remarry this person i think lawson was and yeah we have i only we hit rock bottom. I we realize that it was times all and and and and hartson beards and discuss them like really answer. And i snacked see revisit renegotiate university last year. Now what are we. What do we initially agree on. Ask giants noel anymore. Where are we personally professionally. And how does that. Just a live in deep diving zero ourselves any child. It's giving our first nearest title. The i was smart. Okay the last business cards that you exchange back Tom and i think that that's very clear like business cards. They exchange like making it really. Concrete people's brands rights on what what business cartoons gangrene and then as time passed all again like we had two kids already. I might professional trajectory taken me somewhere to had gained a lot of experience. An academically you know completed his doctorate in it was tied fan of reshuffle. The business card. Who had ready to take on this identity and urinating on that identity and how these now business cards shift usually the partner. That's that's the least content with the current marriage will send a couple next there's We have a smart like that. Because you're not gonna change if things are good 'cause you have secondary gains. You're comfortable okay. So i late Single married mom mostly hand care. Charles are gay so they have dance rights gains general pardon. Westby beaching wants to kind of reopen negotiate a contract. We'll send a couple into a crisis basic now coupled with realize news into the marriage yet i question is. I'm willing to take risks your merit floor straight. These days. the divorce resolve. Couples are lying. I don't want this marriage remarried john. I do net nerds challenge. We don't have models for for what this looks like. Can revisiting our reading rushing site and and i always you know. There's this of brocher here in you. Don't you don't know high. It out of the roger is back into the repair on those from the renegotiations. Your bats harmony and. I think that we were on a nestle couples getting tools and and really original box realize that. Today you're doing you're gonna take your baxley. Yeah so might as well give it a shot in big it. Snowing live retention. Well you while shot and see the accidents are experienced and share time rather than star a new. There's a lot of times. I think people saying rush you know in a new loose summer. Ouseley wrong. Huge that all their baggage. So so what would you recommend to someone who's like okay. Things are not going so well in outlet. I don't want him divorce. I don't want to even if it's not on their radar they're like no. I'm going to stick but like things are not going so well. How could they get out of that. Freeman their partner. Go back into that harmonious state. So what i wanted to say is so somebody wrote that sentence but she nelson howard do it right right. Yeah we're doing developing. I have knowledge and working on the book of action. So we're gonna share it if you would model that we work with developed model which is kind of our model for relationships but it's also lines and deeper inside relationship okay. Let's hear i ready. We are okay so are the the burst hillary's lay and that's soon back on being and curry was this mindset. Sleigh is the foundation. Are rents really entire model because it really softens your approach and in is ability of mind and you know it is soft run the engine and it also is it. Indicates rep ray were basically are hiring are not a what we're saying koenig with play. Were saying like you i. I haven't messaged parents your immediate writing. That's so that kind of dispersed heart that we weren't Like introduced more lay knowledge of to be replaced. Smooths everything you can find it easier when you're playful it's last sop new perception of it Played around experiment is literally a playground. There like that analogy like we always played by. I've never heard of it in that way like a playground. It's like like a child. You're going to try this instead. What happens if not old figures in the dow axel. We haven't actually not at Coppell can meet the adult brain around. Ask tapping out as we can try new identities. We can try out new. And it's nice to be or is that really is all three to try out new things and new contacts and you know hassle. Who is who your ball. Here's the wants to seize ryan row right just like with like the a lot routes and it's not always fun. It's not always eating. They learn also goshi. Our our brand in hotted up so a marriage has angela. Being a the first occupied is owning your shen s. h. mission. Marts i and there. It is invited us. Not because we all miss incidence rain shadow dramas shower. Arvidsson can't see you can call it like parts of the repressed right and that is not good or bad as a lot of the traits the incisors the first thing that our shadow is our superpower insiders. Why are you saying that because usually in the shire preston kind of pushed down hartson society or family on reduce back our rushing. Our ability aren't jealous. Whatever needs show almost arch Might challenge be warned nights. Don't have full snatch averting and basically talk for couples where at you or partner interest. I i what's your what's your responsibility to dance. Your therapist always roy. How linear you're you're awesome. I'm great lease is a dance right. Yes yes i be little you. Yes toward your another concert by ditch narrow cedar we always heard the one is the opposite of law is now it's love and hayward arbor jeanette truly so upset right schools to her. That's why a lot of our your aggression out suspicion on jealous known saints. We all have sharm first of all first of all to venture down so easy to own your shit. Yeah like how going to do that. Meaning right going back to like of like saying to do that. You guys how to do that so tell us. Now it's relying that there are Gains and losses by not on your shit three early higher. Houston trust right. There's also the endurance for for gas like gas lighting. This concept of like. Oh you know it's a little crazy me. Gasoline writing is is the alike. The is being hassled recipes. You stick it's like no no no i. I can still young. Something might be off but he wants shit and then you can say yeah. I did but then when really really generally doesn't do its dates near. He said that. I trusted has he. Admitted lighting You don't hardly we we land and we make we live in their lights up interest to honor shing and once again. Here's where play comes into writes last. You recreate right has sparked a little bit of jackson the other day site. I promise only last only your you know shake as species your shape in that sink. I did all the other decision has been really seeing amassing. Lean when you made your milkshake. Like i didn't get now. I do charts behind all meows. Meow all over the counter and it's really annoying Every is at your story line here so we have when she says that instead of the why are meeting that elite nurses beyond yes actually beautiful small little thing that calls have been fully onto signed with these said and they say yeah do that. There are saying i knew it. They house huge side. Leak like reminding all this time you wanna create. Religion are welcome. This is exactly against in right relationship. Work each sean. Your false the more celebrated martin luther why because not hostile to being all partners. And if i can't do gonna do it right. So that's the owner should start with his shirt. It's a mental shared which be and then. I love that saul march. You wanna create a relationship where falls our outcome like. I wanna use that line now. It like it's the basis everything to the trust to creating that safe space to the intimacy to all of it. Every charles over one hundred videos. Explain each one of these concerts so we will send notes of these podcasts. You have an episode. I on your shit locking your exit exits essence by reshare literally lions from shorter migrated. This is why. And so she row. When i stay now ranking from family had words working working so by giving your that i should say is basically avoiding Next are you are you. Are you just firing using my l. Harm of the therapist never and she ha says it a fighting against each other. You're finding ways to work together. Now in henry is looking go in eight gasoline. Especially when you are kind sir county. I guess yeah. Trust you guys with analogies let's play ownership and the next is which in often we are still especially aren't right. We're still used to or anything you want to answer how are wrong. Were right actually. Let message land. Not actually justice. John ashley you just feel it in our see like does this versus things is this like you know On a race is this an on on purposely. Also say what we found. Is that awesome. Da is crazy for couples to go to the nine then realize we're is letting lands With more ninety our vice actually sometimes the leading in rambled zapata's reinforcement and reminding warrants is even harder and it's really fascinating me how you know that is all used to be a Leading nice loving words land as row in latin really stink in this role. Leffler talk to swing at yet with that. Were as you down and just the body smarten mind. Why is the president minus thing passion. So you let you might see. Oh that is true or you. Can you can learn more about and land. You don't have to react. You just say yeah when you have that language and you're both saying pay talks one of your learning at to get line but you say letting land museo pay one minute just letting it land and your partner knows is honestly major Knows why you're doing against okay. I'm gonna give you your money or to we go back to this. And when you're both using it then it really i think is way more beneficial not just our points. Golden really believe as an rn college language. No-one have to learn this. And this is like you're thinking you guys seem so knowledgeable you do research like no things from so many different ways like you're hauling different things that have hard from like all these different people and like bringing it. Oh so nicely together like how did you come up with your whole method. A lot of to the doctor on on improvisation there be And he's very top down. In hungary announced he would call home with all these theories that he replied. I we are gonna be like. Oh i know you know. Like i know this is about this experience playing longer. Enough matic and experiential and said rob your in house together. Education transition Zero cited position. So jeremy resin genders challenge in my back so together so little mix everything else rackets living beings of it. I love it and is saved. Any say they say the thing set which basically means. You're saying that you're now statements now. Is there calls immediately so say can also be studying negative. Annoy me now or a anymore or distracted or actually true. Renounced like wow. It's the best. It really exhausted to share our ashton. Really enjoy the so. That's also saturday. But you can. We sit at thing after longer. Share later arms landlocked. But if you're not what you're shitting just based learning the play part. Then you're saying the thing playful way rhapsody out in a perfect ball right playful energy even start on just stayed out now the the pillars paying him just behind the scene calling out rather than kind of an opportunity for for roast those individually teachers liar. Liar would stop steinhardt saying you're this. You're that's not as nasty. Yeah you go into a more. Positive states are critical engines. Oh yeah you're you're not playing you're angry. You're you're to both rain rains. When you're or take the best user rights so plays all free parts. Play requires all parts of the yeah ritz powdery and right. Yeah so. I need to be worked. Angst able to resell to respected. And also you can't. You're you're you're survival. You play is the privilege of the winning. Yeah i like that. Always like wrapping your words of so perfectly. So you've been doing this. You said like only recently like together so what happened again. First marriage right. There was actually laughed at that point yet at that point like this is what my real question is. You've been doing these like using those pillars than were only came afterwards. Like when you were working together or when your therapists you're using these things or only came afterwards build up. I need to get this answer to get to my next question that i have. Let's let's all servicer hypocrites anything universally because we're tired is don't do ourselves like all. Parents are uber retard kids so it was really clear for both a i think for both of us. And they're very star from going to be a therapist. Minimize my eyes. So say i'm gonna try. You're on marriage guy. Because i want i don't want to create something to resolve and the what happens when you are united ourselves. We were both really focusing on her marriage rowing jurists with it. And what happened is we were slowing mastering the art of our first race. I think through our first managing singling out and buildings model released jer and time the beginning. No no we didn't. And i think the last year and a half when we weren't even had we had is this model. We we recognize were restarted. We were using screen at our house and work. We're using lanier's more. We were started. Using know much aware wake was more fleshed out. I of sharing a lot. We're in my an therapists using searing from your own personal stories figure clients. Yeah so. I eighty excellent tying our marriage then realize oh. You're talking about marriage. I want to say sh she right. I simultaneously had the whole voice and mike might. The run came after. I had my own mother's sharing mirror experiences and so reading was women's voice into the wrong gangs. Very clear to me are bag especially in around. You're talking about coppell than other bowls. Yeah you gotta bring the full picture. Otherwise just has the story so i mean i started dowling together. Saving out. Rebel should join to join the broadcast news and videos laszlo process. You know the next evolution. Hanna nasser gang us doing this. To you'll perils say narrating this being the smart gillette her in romy to work on the first marriage in english which figuring out the where married couples bursting at a lower pressure on marriage us. We you know retrying. Also it's a good chance for us to check our in the real world also more chance. Okay so now. We have this really exterior if you have this model in your first marriage right and you were obviously working through it but you got it really clear in your first marriage. What is the thing that caused it to like so cool. Go not so good. You realize okay. Now things aren't going good here. We have to go in remarried. Dr second marriage does this model. Not keep the marriage together or like epic. Here's something that's missing here. That's gonna hap make you so. People have to constantly remarried wrong with remarrying if you're constantly remarried but the perspective is obviously different than how i'm seeing it right now. I'm trying. I have to say it's going to answer washed it and if i'm really curious to hear what it is if not then i'll ask the question a more clear more precise i this and say people remarry useless. It's not necessarily late. Concentrate drama you just once more is or it's boredom or sit in your heart for granted or look outside for bigger adventures if the change is a shame shit. Our model drew my people to be married more than once. It's a natural thing by our z. Slow first marriage. That's what we're seeing right now. Because i want. I existed another vr. It's nothing worth fired. Us bad marriage. I love yours. Loving and any encouraged to open your eyes robinson's right. So if that's the nice thing the kurds off against. I almost looking in the Meeting i actually not the way. I wanna shaw rash sheen's ryan i'm not what was last negotiated with like I don't think. I don't think we dated the light failures. Excess engaged. Just this constant were all hospital. Volume gene aries. It's naive to that. Were not and so you know ally the model day to day like say your chance. You're growing what used to work is no longer working so rise in just being like out minds added how can you. How can you how this system raw wish you kinda keep your always an rewiring now curious and exciting and this viscera so many couples are falling asleep. It was marissa the marriage was the batch not here yet marriage they narcissism people growing mads hughley into marriage. You an ocean us eric. By the clients. Because it's only your On your ship celebrate your false can rowing much for that. You go of your softwares okay. This is a really good answer. The question but i'm going to put it on the flip like i couldn't ready start seeing what your answer is going to be. I think there's going to be people that are going to be asking this question. If it's so good to remarried each other and you wanna it's that means change that means good and need something better is gonna come then. Why don't you do it more often. Like every three years at what point do you know like okay like now really a real marriage and now like no we have. We didn't make the most of this marriage and they're still two more to this marriage noses if you can This kind of like he wanted time to do it. Very new are. And you're changing your roy and that three months it'll be five years be right. I think it's in charles objectives time. Rally like cowl darn right. Don't work like that. Yeah yes a ceremony. Whereas like i art and it's periods were are vetoes. Outset urged going school jobs always in his. I think her all time wonder partners each and not enough action something. Most couples who has so the act out. They have an affair. They find me because they don't have eight this. This contract is not rice learn. I'm frustrated i feel. Fortunately the council us active something act now trying to get now is people housing for managing toward their first those areas. Over whether it's trying to find a way to go before the that junction extended. Yeah yeah yeah so if you have this model of yours of owning your shit and letting aligned and saying the thing then by the time it comes for you you're ready for that change you want that remarriage. You have the language to actually go and do it. Don't get stuck in a problem and you can really go into it with out having that major major fight which brings me to my next question while you guys are talking so lovingly and so like such a role model of a cow ball than we are looking at you and saying like okay. These people never fight. Do you guys fight ever all the time on our. I don't think it has to do with with by your has news not being able to play to gets sue. What really about. What are we actually community where we asked to say you know. I think a lot of times by feeling vulnerable is your adlon. Were onto a frequent niggers things so girl bearing yet it rested to coming out of your model yes and so i think that i think they can recognize i house couples how to allow of like saying z. And owning our shoot indication in the answer even if it has to come back the morning. Differentiator ro the more more swiss i were the couples wrote. You see more differences so guys in the research and say happy find just honestly ever ericsson's making six. He'll be repair the rupture you come back and play back arshi crucible addict foundation raise transition say oxygen masks noodle. I'm sorry esther yesterday so sexy. Psychics all started so for me eternal thoughts for me to say something widely learned and arezzo came. The world are right outside over. You can be angry and you and you know then. You're true true turtles understood. Learn how can imagine israeli turtle. Yeah while you guys are awesome literally again like more another ring in another thing. In britain you probably like read and watched and learned from like every single marriage expert out there to really go and create this. It's so cool to watch it all pulled together so nicely so before we get to our final question. We're could people find more about you. See you said your pet channel and we're all screw people. Don't connect with you. We have a website. The name of our instance potential states and that is the space to reality potential status relations outside france to our chow our blog today and i have i have today at our asked that women are constantly and you should also were also under central state motto. Months sharing podcast. And he's amazing. Okay all those links will be in the show notes so everyone could go and connect with you for a final question. How would you describe an extraordinary relationship without using the words love intimacy and for you. I'm gonna put in play intimacy or playing a great relationship where you have the positive liberty to bring all your different sauce. States within within the limitations is the positive liberty springer different salt states within the creative limitation on an incident launcher. Oh you're permanent. The positive liberty negative liberty avenue pansies ever want right opposite positive. Libbers adhered a mile zones. So delivering didn't states. I could remind russian. Sorry trump aggressive sign create limitations. Ameri- has marriage lasts through essence. And is there's this idea of more limited market created. It's not walkers lines. If i want to take away your three basic warriors than you have to come out with something more creative so cactus or shortly feel free. I'm like that. So much said so. Beautifully wow okay what would you say or forgo sleep at night excuses. I would say you fall. One of things that we do is nineteen themselves first and foremost and magazines and others. When you're able to really next yourselves and then all your sides and your full angie's house to your. That's that's a good foundation or knowledge is love for all be happy day. I know surprising things actually really came out. That was great. Yeah we're so such a big believer in here so many episodes are like just focusing on yourself not on your marriage because that's where it starts and that is where it's going to go an overflow into your marriage so thank you so much guys. This is so much fun you guys. That's all for this episode of life picks relationships and we have a huge favor to ask of you. 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#142: Analytics Tribe of Mentors with Jen Yacenda

The Digital Analytics Power Hour

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#142: Analytics Tribe of Mentors with Jen Yacenda

"Welcome to the digital analytics power, our ten Michael Mo and the occasional guest discussing digital analytics issues of the day find them on facebook at facebook dot com slash analytics, our and their website analytics, our auto, and now the digital analytics power our. Everyone welcome digitalk analytics power hour. This is episode one, hundred and forty two. Digital analytics is still a relatively new profession in some senses and as you progress in your career, it's sometimes hard to find other people who've sort of been there done that in the things that you find that you're doing day to day in your job. And you know with plenty of people in vendors saying this or that technology is quote unquote changing everything about once every three years or so it can also be confusing what to spend time on how to prioritize your efforts. Correct me if I'm wrong tim, but really only one person could be the quintessential analyst. Doing I. There can be many and it's You're killing me. It's our co host Tim Wilson Senior Director of analytics at search discovery and Mo you're gonNA come up with a really cool name for you. Maybe we could run a fan contest but how you doing I'm good but I don't think that's necessary. Oh I don't know I. Think Know I've learned something about personal brand get bored with me at some point and Dan he's GonNa turn sights on you and you'll get this squirm uncomfortably for a few years. It's a just a reflection of my great admiration and respect anyways, Mo- kiss analytics lead at Kanda Canada I don't know how to. How do you pronounce the company's name? Can. You say Dada author just like just with within marketing. On the marketing analytics laid marketing analytics lead at Canada. So that's good. I'm finding out finally what your job title is it seems like you get promoted pretty regularly over there. So I feel like it's not only my fault. So in that sense, you're kind of like you know kind of a rising star and I'm Michael Hill playing and I'm just talking randomly okay. We need a guest who has taken a lot of the combined wisdom of some of the great people aren't industry and she worked alongside Eric Madison from adobe into creating a really great presentation for Adobe, summit which was then turned into adobe virtual summit because of the coronavirus pandemic and we just thought, Hey, what a great. Opportunity to hear a little more about this topic. So Jaas Santa, she spent the first twelve years of her analytics career growing leading the digital analytics practice at Starwood hotels, and then in two thousand, eighteen she transitioned started her own hospitality focused in Alytus consultancy called travel perspectives, and today she is our guest. Welcome to the Xiaojun Faith Michael. Him. Now, right to be here I feel like, Michael. You didn't you didn't throw in the not only she was had a jam packed full on solid core summit session, and then a summit kind of shrunk things down to be shorter like there are so many things that we've lost in the pandemic of them is the full action that JEN and. Eric work so hard to create. So in a certain sense, we're just delighted have, but maybe to kick us off, maybe just go back to the original idea and kind of explain, Jen, what you were thinking about is you kind of like kind of topic will kind of dig into some of the questions that COMF- cut king from it. Yeah. I mean first and foremost were hoping whenever we are allowed to travel again that maybe there's a conference where we can actually put on the full hour plus whenever session of content that we've got. But in lieu of that where he had taking all opportunities to show the great content that we collected the little bit of context. Eric and I were talking about different sessions to run at summit and we thought there was a little bit of a gap in there's not too many sessions focused on career advice how to grow your looking for the next promotion. If you're looking to get into analytics, you've got a team that you're recently managing. There's not really a ton of sessions dedicated to how to become a better analyst. How do you become the manager leader for analytics that you want to be? So we kind of put our heads together and we're thinking of you know ways of how to become that quote Unquote Rockstar within your organization as a rockstar analysts something Eric as a couple of their sessions at summit around. And so at the same time I'd been listening to this podcast of ten Paris and he wrote a book called Fiber Mentors where he created this masterful recipe of questions, eleven, questions that he goes around asking in the Tony Hawk's the Arianna Huffington Brunei Brown's the people that have reached the top of their game in their fields and he asked them the same eleven questions. So we thought why not do that for Olympics let's go out to the community with that same list of eleven questions it was that was like. Helping people growth their career. I'm sure the first thing on the list was we need more sessions about like how adobe platform can help you be successful. And that that, that just didn't quite make the cut 'cause. Now We've needed to go beyond. A session at summit that was had nothing to do with an w product. Down to happen at some point, but you could probably used adobe products to create the session. So you know just tie it all together. which I mean the the yeah. The the analytics Rockstar session, which he took over from Brent dykes right and that was always one of my even though it did always wind up being kind of very adobe analytics centric but that was definitely always a super practical tips session but was definitely. Baked into with adobe. So can we talk about the question? Yes we key ahead now. Okay. So Jen, I'm really curious I have listened to some of Tim Ferriss podcasts previously actually the one on how to say, no hurry was one that actually do resonate with me because it's a skill that I have yet to perfect. I probably need to listen again but I suppose I'm just curious to start with when he sees questions -able all of these amazing people. One of the highlights for you that you've taken away from some of those conversations he's had. Like are there specific moments or is it more that you've found asking these questions? has led to inside yourself in analytics community. First and foremost I was blown away with the number of people that agreed to answer participate in the process. So the people willing to share their stories, their experiences was was awesome Disa- collected. Thirty eight full participants I probably reached out to about ninety site a third thirty three a little bit more than a third kind of except which I thought pretty decent. Compared to some of the questions that Tim ferriss would ask a lot of people that super personal with their responses I think went tim reading his book and he's asking some of the most famous people in the world I think they were. A little more straightforward, and then when I reach out to the analytics community whether it was the one fighting, you know balancing motherhood with their career or someone who was battling. Depression or some mental challenges they were very forthcoming with a lot of their answers in response than I was really touched to be on the receiving end of those answers. Well, doesn't fairest kind of didn't Tim Ferriss sort of set up like I haven't I haven't read the book and I have to. Freely, admit that like from the four hour workweek on I have I cannot stand him. Might right in thinking from kind of reading about the book and watch and Kinda his video talk he is. He does kind of encourage people to say these are the questions I was asking and why I was asking them. In, does he kind of encouraged people to go ask people in their lives those same questions or is he really just putting him out saying I've asked these questions and gotten him from these famous people that I know and just read my book get it's it's more of the ladder and he kind of encourages like there's so many people that he interviews and it's just yes was Kinda like you hop around do you jump around to Different people and little nuggets that you get out of some of the success had one of my favorite responses, which during current I time on able to do. But one of the investments, one of the I will have to find name but he took flying trapeze lessons and that was one of the investments that he said was profound impact on his life just with a different perspective that leap of faith with flying trapeze than the physical. Of. It was something that really changed his perspective. So that's one that I added by lists from Tim. But yet the book is really just a manual that people can pickup at different points of their career get gets from various people, and since this is a audio form, it was held up the book and it's like a good two inches thick but it's also like his promo video he kind of waves it around a lot mike. It's a hefty home. So Jen, have you answered the questions yourself I tried I mean that's kind of where I started a tried to go through an answer the questions that's where I was wondering whether or not. It would fit as a conference like if I could actually go out and collect these responses if it was really hard to answer all eleven so when I went out to. Ask respondents for their answers. I said look answer three to five. You know the questions that speak to you Tim Ferriss as the same in his book not not everyone answers all eleven questions. So it is quite difficult to answer all eleven but I tried pressure fulfil like we haven't touched on wouldn't either questions are like I know we traffic a rapid-fire weeds, get to pick a question and then like Free Association Jen's like and here was. Actually. I had one other set of question. Did you have anybody respond? Were there any responses where you thought That seems like a terrible piece of advice and I would never share that. I'M NOT GONNA ask you to share what that that's a setup. No were there whether anywhere Oh, you mean setting her op. Laying the foundations set up question I was like that's cruel. No. Curious because it's like we're there rick is we're all living our own and there are definitely people have different opinions on. Things to be honest because it was a session that or content that we're collecting that was gonNA prepare for a session. I wouldn't say that there was necessarily bad advice given, but I was definitely looking for themes together into a presentation. So yeah, there was a lot of advice that didn't make it into the presentation. was also just more personal, less professional. So you know it was hard to delineate. That anybody moved markedly down in your opinion of them based on the collection. No. Don't have to answer that question you're not answering. It was more the people who chose not to answer I was disappointed with to not participate just not get a response. You know who you are their next time agendas. Edison's you some questions yesterday better get up and just be fully transparent with our listeners, Tim and I both were responded to some of these questions. So I think this is tim fishing to find out whether or not Jan thinks less of him now that he's answered these questions. Okay let's dive into this because we're we've definitely have now fulfilled the Bantu requirement upfront. So let's talk. So I think the first question. So the all kind of do the question walk at doesn't matter how we do it. I'll just do this and you guys can jump and so the first question is in this is what is the book or books you've given the most as a gift and why or what are one to three books that have really influenced your life I've first off just want to say how much I, enjoy the structure of that question because I feel like we've got I recommend books all the time. But when I sat down and thought lake. Have bought for people and given away it chain shorter shrank my. Criteria. So anyways, I love to hear like Jen like what kinds of answers you got for that one I mean this one and I can shamelessly plug are adobe summit session to go check that out the recorded version. But we cover we cover this question in in our session it was one of the. Most overwhelming, most prolific you know questions that we got I mean the list of even just reading all the different books that people recommended I felt like I got smarter knowing all the books that were out there that people found valuable. We're giving as gifts for me personally one of the books that I usually give to you direct reports on my team was done along. Yeah an graphics. Yeah. It's just it's such a quick read and it's like it's still stands the test of time and I continue to give that one as gifts to analysts that are potentially struggling with digitalization. But we got things from memoirs to science fiction to a lot of psychology books you know how to how we sleek house link out of you know power of habit there are so many so many titles that were in just blown global away Howie Sleep I love that book those everybody wanted to prove to you that they actually everybody wanted to prove to you that they they actually have read a book. I mean that is one. There are times where I think. That's the sort of thing where it's like. Well, I read this book and I don't know there there were definitely a couple that kind of bubbled up for me that were ones that I've read in we're super impactful the I don't know about the why we sleep. Real yes. Matty Walker. It's high on the list of books that I did not manage to finish. But I got the basic gist you'll love the one that I said that I gave away the most Tim because I'm sure years were the strengths finder. as I gave every single person on my team. So that was a book I gateway a lot. Fortunately, he had stopped that by the time I came to work. At all. But I'm pretty sure it already gotten one or two copies of past jobs as it was so. I made sure somebody handed you cut I actually stole this idea from my sister so I will begrudgingly give her credit for it but the book that I by the Marist to give to people is Actually Emily Ulster's book expecting better. So anytime a friend says, they're pregnant I just give them the bulk and it's like here is some Dada. So you have a bunch of people like freaking out making your life. And you can make up positions on your own like the very smart capable woman you are. So my sister did that for of her friends and now I do the same. Sorry. Yeah the kisses just bankrolling emily oster is the summary. But it's interesting too because I? Think. There's books that kind of like you give away but then there's also books that you're like pretty influenced by so. oser almost two different categories. I don't know did people answer that that way or or was you? Know, I think very few people answered it both ways most people answered it by books that influenced me the most. So okay we we don't have a lot of we don't have a lot of book gifters. I'm a book gift off so that that's the way I answered it I love to give books. So we what book do you give away the most besides Donald Long? Book. That was the one for my team. And another one that I've given often is Simon six start with why That's a good book, Oh God Tim's like I rolling like Shit I can't handle this. Let's. Let's talk a little more about that because that's really good I like. The actually just recommended to me his most recent book which I forget the name of Song to look it up for the show's over maybe I can talk about what about you what book do you can away the most some kind of evolved but I I actually would fall in the well, the one that I count whether I've given it which I definitely ordered it and given it or have had people get is the information dashboard design by Stephen few. I think I'm going to shift actually the CONAN flicks data storytelling I think she actually covers a little bit broader and hits i. mean she references few she references Wong I mean. So that's just on the this data visualization stuff really does matter in it's not that hard I mean the. Yeah but I I also recommend the Donna along because it. So because it's it's even tighter. See I I actually give away Nancy Tortoise book more than Donna Lungs which one. The slide energy although now I probably would choose dot stories over slidell edgy. But slide g may like completely changed the way that I thought about presentations and like how I communicated stuff and it was like my mom I'm sorry I share that with lots of people I just want to point out that as we're talking actually most of us give away books about communicating data. Oh I just I'm noticing that trend. I just think that's really interesting because strengths finder not me I was like the rest of you. I didn't say all of US I. Mean you go through the thing and you score it. So that's a pointless metric. Technically, if you understand your strengths tim, you will be more effective communicating data. And I have a copy of information dashboard design that I bought for myself so you didn't have to gift it to me but yeah, no, I just think it's interesting because like all three of you kind of unbeknownst to each other all. Your give those books away to people no I just think that's fascinating because it could be some other thing about digital analytics you know methods or other things like that. But communicating data seems to be like an interesting thing. anyways not trying to make causal elements where there aren't any just notice. Right. Go to lake do a three hour episode and get through all of these boss I'm really want to know about the purchase. So what purchase one hundred dollars or less has most positively impacted your life in the last six months or in recent memory I don't know why that one just seems to me. Yeah. This is interesting because Tampa positive influence on your life. But it was more from a professional and so kind of a hard question I think to answer for me. Personally, my answer was the Wall Street Journal which is a little bit of a cheap because it's not one hundred dollars is little more for an annual subscription but just has an analyst Whoa I they do a great job. Well, for a lot of the time they do a good job at presenting data within some of them can be biased enforce but I think that a lot of their. Graphics can be really strong in their journalism, which is to say, and then just staying as an as an analyst staying up to date on the headlines is something that for travel in particular is super helpful just to know when there's major tornadoes or shifts in weather or globally what's going on across the world so the Wall Street Journal for me is something that is really positively influenced my life but that one was kind of mixed bag my favorite responses that I. Remember getting was massages investing and link. In we sit at our desks chairs all the time and just getting some meat time really investing in a in a monthly habit of going out and getting massages intriguing treating yourself was a great one jang-keun set a really interesting one where her hobby is bird watching. So she didn't in really and I don't know the terminology but a- photography Lens that allows her to more properly burt watch minutes just the therapeutic. Activity to get out of the House and just something that is positively influenced her life that way. So for know, we got once like running shoes. In Video Games, you know we gotta gotTa whole gamut of responses. You can buy running shoes in America for under a hundred dollars. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Actually I feel like I get a higher cap because of the currency exchange so I feel like they may. So for one hundred, Fifty Australian dollars, what would you what have you bought the? Jamie may say the same thing he was like, yeah. That feels like our purchase pattern we said it budget. Spend more. My My. My thing is like I had one that immediately pop to mind but it's not recent and it was actually a gift from Johnny but he bought me a sodastream for my birthday like seven years ago. and EAT hands down like. My life because I went from drinking like one bottle of water a day to maybe like five. So I feel like that has made my whole being better, but it's that's a weird one. But then I'm always spending money on plants and I made me super happy. I. talked to them and I named them kind of weird. unrelated. I've recently someone told me you sodastream milk and use it in your pancakes and it makes them super fluffy. That's the weirdest advice. I. Think I've ever heard I know but it really works so. Sorry. We have lost the show I hate to do this. This question again seems like one of those where thirty eight or so responses there had to be again not GonNa ask you to name them, but there had to be one or two where you're like. Were there you don't have to share what it was again Tim This. This one was more not allowed people answered this one. People ignored this question. Tim Did you answer this question I don't think so I can't. I. If I did I don't remember what I did. I'm not sure how it answer it now. I did I, bought a couch for forty four dollars. And it was just like I didn't know you could buy a couch forty, four dollars. It's not most couch. Why's IT positively impacted July. Is it just the fact that you've got a bargain and you still had like sixty bucks left? No it was really about solving a problem creatively we just needed like we didn't need anything fancy. We didn't day thing but I always mentally think about couches costing like eighteen hundred dollars to twenty five, hundred dollars something like that. We just bought a couch and it was in full. Yeah. No that's what I would I go to furniture stores of by couches when I buy couches and I'd never even thought of it and then one day. I can't remember why but all of a sudden Maria calls me and she's like, Hey, go rent a you hog come over to the store. We're GONNA buy the Emma's like what she going over there with our sister in line. So it was like okay and then I saw it and it was like this looks fine to me wait a minute. So sounds like that forty four dollars was the cost of the yeah. Seventy seven bucks ten. Okay just checking yeah because you can you hope for like fifteen bucks it was easy. Okay. Yeah. All in seventy seven still a big deal good savings. Anyway. So met the criteria of the question gap. It was. Yeah. It was still under a hundred. Okay. So that was I like that question because it is hard to answer that in a way to sort of like, Hey, this is advice I wanna pass on like like this on my tombstone and actually I went back through the answers I gave you catch for forty four dollars. Off On my don. Saying like it's art pancer. That's what I mean. It's hard to answer and some of them were like really hard and I look back and I'm like me and my was in a weird head space when I answered a lot of these questions. So. Anyway. that's just a me thing. Yeah. A lot of questions have that profound impact that makes it a little bit harder answer. Yeah. All right. So now we're GONNA move into tougher territory ready Mo all I'm scared how has a failure or apparent failure set you up for success do you have a favorite failure of yours? I knew we were going to get to this one and I was really nervous about it why nervous about it because I do have a favorite failure but I'm now going to talk about it on the podcast you don't have to if you don't feel comfortable. No but I feel like the thing is I've actually talked about this one at lots of women networking events, and we actually did this question pretty much as an exercise like what's failure of yours unlike I suppose what did you learn from it and for me I got fired which I never thought would happen in my whole fucking life like I am not a get fired person. But it was the absolute best thing that's ever happened to me and I learned a shit ton about the type of places I wanNA work the places. I. Don't WanNa work also like the red flags like you know when you're going through an interview process and this red flags in ignore them because you really WanNa leave your current job. And I ignore them and I know now that would never ever happen again because his. I realize like how wrong walls but I was also so thankful to get fired because I think I wouldn't have quit and I would have been really really unhappy for a very long period of time. So. Yeah. I, don't know it's weird. 'cause this moment that I feel like I should probably be ashamed all of Ivan's. Like being okay with and yeah. I don't know. Other interested Tame. What's your favorite failure? I Dunno I mean all. I. Can do like riff off of I definitely point myself to the say is the nine August months of my career was the nine months that I worked at a large insurance company was the same thing that it was a I don't know if that's my apparent but I pointed people to that still gave me deeper Linz into the inside of like the massive companies that I you know when I'm consulting with the large enterprise now like having lived the. ponderous nightmare of whether it's in the hospitality industry or. Or wherever like Yep I know this is why I don't want to be there again and and and learning that like, yeah that's not the life for me. There could be some very large in great companies that are very admirable but. I don't know I mean I I knew same sort of thing day one orientation I'm like this was a big mistake and then nine months of it's a big mistake. But at the same time, I wouldn't necessarily say it was a bad thing to have done. But I I don't know I don't know if I consider that a failure just the reality of a career progression. Trying to learn from it. Jen My my favorite failure was that I failed to early on my career failed to ask for promotion I would it was my first job? I was at Starwood hotels and I worked my butt off for the first I duNno two to three years whatever it was an i. you know as a naive relatively like first job right out of college I didn't think you had aspirin promotions like I assumed that hard work got recognized hard work. You deserve the promotion and I was clearly you know in my in my head deserving of a promotion but I I didn't ask for it in. The cycles of you know corporations that you need to hit the budget and the big five review and all that personal development jazz and Yeah. So I had failed to ask for promotion but and so my boss at the time it was just he gave me a really strong lesson elite. You know you need to ask for these like you're lucky I asked for one four you but it was just a powerful lesson to learn that young people in big companies in particular are always asking for promotions and you know as a young employee I, just hadn't. I hadn't gotten into that yet. Got, that is amazing. What a huge lesson So I could send you to tell every single one of my direct reports they that's the reality of. Big Organizations that that's the reality of how to progress. and. I'm no longer at a big company. And with all the stuff I manage I always awesome like anytime they get good feedback. Like I don't care if you put it into like a notes file or if you like four the email and then put them all in a folder. But every time you get good feedback from someone in the company like you just put it in one place because you're going to have to teach at some point about why you want a promotion or a pay increase. And if you have all that feedback stored somewhere, it will make it really easy to be like here is all the work done and this is why I deserve this and it's like a habit that has actually I found really useful for me as well. Okay. Michael because spell your Oh Jeez I was hoping we could skip me because you gotta get all the questions. No. So what I wrote in their time time management of this episode, maybe make. No, actually, Tim. I'm all over it. I wrote down start time as we had always been going for a little over thirty minutes so. All right. So most so you're not alone. I also was fired at one from one job, which is also not get fired person typically and It was a real like it was a real moment of trying to figure out sort of. I think there's a lot of in those moments. It's sort of like will they did the wrong thing, but it also forced me to say, well, how did you contribute to that? And kind of look inside myself to sort of say well, the one thing you can change about that situation is just you. And so that's kind of what I did and you know it was probably the best thing that could have happened in fact. I'm really positive. It was an actually the resulting years, but actually a better failure from earlier in my career was when I was just starting out doing consulting with web trans- software and I went to a client there were installing it. Setting up their reports and they had given me a list of reports that they wanted created, and so I created those reports I still had a little extra time that day after setting some of those up and so I was like you know what? They'll probably want this report, a couple of these. So I set up some additional reports as well to like. Give them some extra stuff. And leave couple of weeks. Later, the account manager gets a phone call from the client only it I just happened to be sitting in her office talking to her when she listen to this voicemail and it was the client calling and saying hey. when Michael was out here, he set up like all these extra reports. We really don't want her need confusing a Lotta people is there anyone that you could send back out here? Fix this you know hopefully somebody different than Michael. Here's the worst part. There was no one else I was the only ill, the next person in the company. So I had to go back to that client at fixed those mistakes and the valuable lesson is really listen to what clients are asking from you and don't freelance on those kinds of things I thought I was adding value, but really I was creating a problem. For them and so it's really think about, okay. What is it that you really need and so I've tried to take that lesson to to heart. So that was painful going out and spending half a day at a company where I knew they did not want me there like they were like we're both here because you have to be in it's your fault that works together. I feel like I should share that I've never been fired of been laid off from my first job. Ever an had two bosses scream at me that they should fire me. Did Not Scream. It's you know. You're having in your head right was the internal dialogue here. All right let's keep going. Let's keep going. Okay. This is such a good question and it's GonNa take some explaining. So if you could have gigantic billboard anywhere with anything on it, metaphorically speaking getting a message out to millions or maybe billions what would say in why and how many people answer like I'd like to know a lot of these like what what ballpark was this a heavily answered lightly answered middle of the road answered question I know I need to go back and do some counting for each of these but this would probably middle I would say, but this was one where there was a clear theme across everyone that answered it. And it was just this just to be tad more empathy. It came in Mamoun different flavors one person literally just answered with one word empathy We're all human was another one in a world where you can be anything be kind and then mine personally is to live by the Golden Rule Do unto others as you wish done on cheer sow. So just this whole notion of being a good person was a clear winner in this question. The funny thing is my like immediate reaction when I saw this question was something about kindness and it was a really beautiful video. I was watching the other day about like the crazy world of Covid post-code. About how on a new people are actually being kind to each other right now and I'm sure that there are lots of examples of they're not. But there are lots of examples in the world of where people are and. Not that there's a silver lining to this whole hot mess, but if people can get reminded that that's a nice thing I don't know I feel like I'd really have to think about the words. Tim. Be immediately immediately negotiating for. Can I get? Three billboards outside I've got to. See like how are you going to this all in one billboard? Yeah exactly. How about if I had like five? Yeah, I don't know. I passed well and honestly don't put a paragraph on a billboard. You didn't answer this Tim I don't think so I really felt maybe I should pull up what I actually what you did. Yeah. I said Mike Catchphrase, which is analytics people business about people, which isn't totally like the same as some of the things said about empathy in there. It's sort of like people and people like on all sides of this is all what analytics is about. And anyways. anyways. That's really Wouldn't have been no, you're know your job do your job see that's the sort of thing I would have been like. That is so what you would have said do your fucking job I we get to because if your job is people empathy, then you need to know how to do that and do it yeah great. But my thing is that some of the best teams that I've been in is when people do more than their job. Since I know just your fucking job tim does more than just his job. Just FYI. From. Just, playing through my head, the the whole debate we had a months ago around the Oh dear. The people who while there was there was somebody who was a CO worker at the time that was like, nope, like nine to five. Then I'm out I'm off and we were having where I was like well, you need to find your like if you find your passion like. If you love what you're doing. If you love your work, it's not work sort of thing that be that. That's a that's a whole rabbit hole to to go down that if you don't find what you're you actually really enjoy doing then yeah. You're going to be watching the clock and you're GonNa have a hard time. So no your job but find the right job I guess yeah I don't know I'm not a billboard. Kinda guy. Okay. Out of home it's all digital. Okay Jen this one I need to talk about purely because I need to hear what other people said because this is what I'm not good at when you feel overwhelmed or unfocused or have lost your focus temporarily what do you do if helpful what questions you ask yourself so want to hear what people said this. This was a fun one and we didn't get to this one in our presentation. There was two very distinct categories of people that emerged answering this question there was either the group that decided they needed to go sweat it out. Go. Outside for a walk go surfing. You know get some exercise someone chops would know anything to Kinda get their physical kind of endorphins going was one camp, and then there's another camp of people about was they. They're going to sit down and write it out and just you know right up to do list right out what the what the starting point is. Kind of more like a project management type approach was sit down and. kind of word vomit what everything needs to get done before than reprioritising rearranging and then tackling it. So that was like two very distinct camps of people I was more on the right it out like if I'm getting overwhelmed ninety refocused I will just take the time to list out to do this just to get it all down on paper. Then you know the physical kind of let's crossing off lists that that really helps me. It's one of the funny thing is when I ride a paper to do least and I've actually told my team this because I want them to call me out on when I write a paper to do list that's where I'm really losing my shit that's where I'm like. So overwhelmed I'm like freaking out the list very quickly like thirty small things on it and one of my team members the other day he's like the best person like helping me every time he sees me this he's like Mar we've got our one on one. Now we're going to end fifteen. Minutes early, this is a one on one where I'm meant to be coaching him is like we're GONNA end fifteen minutes early I want you to use his fifteen minutes. Go to Jira put all your stuff in Jira and throw away your paper to do list because you're like in the spiral and I'm like, okay, right I'm going to do it and so he gives me the fifteen minutes my day back go to Jira I put on my tickets in their properly and like the least gets done and then I liked back in the Zarin and it's one of the Lake he was only able to do that because I told him what might spiral signs were but now I'm so thankful because anytime he sees me do it. He liked Kohl's me out on it straightaway and yeah. It's not necessarily like something I, do for myself but sometimes like letting the people around, you know what are the signs that your unfocused or you're feeling really overwhelmed with so that they can also help you like refocused. I also feel like I know you but you're accent still throws me a little bit. So when you said go to Jura care all I heard I heard euro like Jiro Whiskey, which is kind of making the podcast rounds. So was like it could be that both of them might go to Jira and when you're done Jura. They completely different approaches. There's there's Medicaid self medicate. Organiz that's what do you do? When you're getting unfocused overwhelms sue it's really interesting because now I'm like, Oh, I should try taking walks when I feel. Like, that's a great. That really does work I need to think of that more thousand. So I spent time writing out what's going on my head. So it can be a couple of different avenues if it's emotional or dislike confusing or frustrating situation or I feel like something's not right in my head that I just right out like I just do like an emotional inventory dislike what's going on and then if it's like all these tasks and everything and it's too much then I have a system and I use evernote but I just start writing a less and actually I've started taking audio recordings on my phone even. Because I just I just take fifteen minutes and I just start talking into my phone or just start typing and everything that comes to my head gets on the list every single thing. So it all has come out. So just like you came up boom because on the let's came up boom, it goes on the list again again literally things like attend this meeting it goes on the list I'm attending that meeting today as going on my List. So that way I can check it off and it's a thing I did even though all I would just show up to the meeting or whatever. So it could be like sending an email to so and so that it's literally just sort of like a sentence but if I send that email against, check it off my list. So like the little two big things and then I can go back through after I get a little more control. Of that and go prioritize that list and I kind of like used my little system to like bold the things that are really important that could bubble those up and but sometimes you just have to like get a system to pull it out of you stick it somewhere else. Then you can look at it start making some progress but no, I'm totally Like the as you mow where I can get you, Kinda just get overwhelmed with stuff sometimes and you're like, okay learn those signals learn how to stop yourself learn how to take a step so that's been a big big deal for me. Yeah. Fascinating I just lashed out at my podcast co hosts and it's kind of like it's as me to walk. I still get a little bit of heart rate you know kind of. I. Can. Actually do you in the last month of published a very public list? So I'm thinking maybe this list process that you go through. Oh I've lived and died by lists for forever if I find myself not taking the time to put it on into Dallas than I am that's when I'm like whoops I'm getting to the point, but then it is pretty then Mike let me just put it on there and I mean there's all sorts of. That also believe that there are lists work for some analysts don't work for others There are people who really should have less working for them because shit is falling through the cracks right and left. It has worked for me for so long and I've gone through the paper mode and then I've been digital lists for for years now, and because it sort of forces you to say if I write it down I'm not GonNa Forget it in it's there and I can assess that. Yet you know what this can wait for three days but have written down not GonNa Forget it if I need to tell somebody else use it. Hey, it's on my list be getting to this you know whenever so yeah. But I think The thing that happens to me is like lists can also then be the call is being overwhelmed because suddenly you have thirty things on a list and you're like. Yes shit there is no conceivable way. I'm going to do all of these things and like still slate. Well, that's where some of the new list Oracle's will say don't do some of what Michael said, which was like right to gimmes down which I'm not sure I completely. Buy into because I'm kind of the if it's gotta get done and I can write it down. Yes it will give me progress. But the the idea is that if you capture it, then that will force you to say why can't do them all at once let me put them in the right order, and once I've wants him taking a eaten at elephant one bite at a time. I've at least define the elephant now let me start you know take it bites of it. You're looking at you're looking at me like you've never heard that expression before have not but. One Bite at a time. Well, they glee, but it's still seems weird to Aden. On but for wireless did do the important urgent, not important, not urgent quadrant. Which works better for me I find but I think as a contract that actually works just to remind myself and that there is the weird thing of defining. Important to WHO and urgent to because it's very easy to I. Think as analysts tend to were such pleasers that if somebody else if it's urgent for them, we will make ourselves believe it is super important for them and we'll just assume that and so I think putting that kind of contract around like wait a minute this person response to me four to seven days after I asked them anything I'm pretty sure they asked me something they're not expecting an answer in twenty minutes. Yeah. So that actually dovetails really great into a different question, which is in the last five years what have you Become better at saying no to what do realizations approaches helped any other tips 'cause I think you kind of like connected that Dot Mohan you're like it gets too many things on it. Then what do you do and that's that's an answer that I have is sort of like when I get it out of my head it, me see everything the cold late day and say, okay, we're not going to prioritize that because there simply isn't enough time you know and I can make those choices but anyways I don't know who else wants to talk about that question Jen WanNa, why don't you share? Did very many people onto this. Because they know this is probably what are the ones that and it kind of makes sense that you know asking Hannah that I think we struggle all of us struggle with this one we did not get a ton of responses. Some people are just yeah I have no problem saying no I think the one thing that probably one of my favorite answers which I probably struggle with the most is saying no to that one last drink especially when you go to conferences or GonNa ask our I. I ended up staying but there there a one response that at a really great kind of I've got a nine PM curfew and that's it. I'm home I have no problem with kind of just living with that kind of steadfast rule. And then the other kind of clear one, which is probably a little bit different. Now in vague is is saying no to meetings Mike I think you you in the camp of of saying no to meetings I don't know if you have a big role for what you say no to but that was one of yeah. Unnecessary meetings was one that a lot of people were aware of, but that's not really a how to or how you develop A. Yeah it comes from this place of like having too much to do. Then you can possibly accomplish and so like you literally have to force yourself to make decisions you sort of consider sub optimal in the moment and so. The Way I talk about is like learning how to build the capacity to disappoint people like and I think Tim Neuron something, which is we don't want people to be upset with us like I really want people to like I want to get on things and as an analyst I want I liked get to your question those kinds of things and you've got a space it out in time. I remember certain days in the midst of growing the analytics pack search discovery, and we were just growing at such a tremendous rate I'd be on the elevator on the way up to the work in the office and literally be giving myself a pep talk but go in there and I'm going to cancel these team meetings I'm GonNa push back and I'm GONNA and like I'd have to psych myself up because it was so hard for me luckily alone in the elevator just F- I know enough. Accepting yourself in the face and you`re No. So by our would be psyche myself up to go in. Go do these things that I was. Afraid to do in a certain sense in sort of it's hard. So but after you start doing it and nothing bad happens, it builds up this album assy to start understanding more clearly, what's most important at what can actually weight and wear your focus needs to be and I think that was actually over the course of a year year and a half where I was learning some of those lessons, some of the biggest. Development in my leadership capability was the ability to Kinda start taking those things on and be able to actually address them. It's tough I. Don't know I feel like that one can be kind of the dangerous one because to me I mean I'm not good at saying no, and I'm not good at delivering. You know right at expectations I want to go above and beyond I think a lot of us are wired that way. But when I look at when I, when you hear those lectures of like you know work smarter not harder like you shouldn't be you know to me I, Mike well, shit ton of my career is probably because I got interested in doing something I really wanted to do it well or somebody asked me if I could help and yeah, could said, no, you know half the time but some of those. Were Professional Development Opportunities I got to push myself. I got to do more and I mean so I I haven't ever gotten asked for a promotion actually Jenin. I had a whole separate little exchange about that where I also believe calling out that I'm a upper middle class white system dude. So there's there's whole piece as well. It's easy for me to say no, just you know work hard and Stuff comes but I think I think there's a there's a danger for. Where you are in your career if you're like they, you know I'm GonNa say no because by Golly you're asked me for this at four thirty and it's GonNa take me two hours but I think that's the ten ride I think. So for example, we be good judgment in knowing which one of those. It is but I don't think people who are new in their career are struggling with this like. I think generally the skill to say, no, or to push back is something you have to develop as your responsibilities Gorie and yet like we we reached out to someone who like we'd love to have on the podcast at some point and she was basically like look I'm working five days a week I have three little kids I'm really I don't have capacity for this right now and I'm like, cool. I'm really glad that you told me that because I agree. I do stuff and I probably say I probably say, no, maybe twenty percent of the time where I'm just like you know what? I don't have the brainpower I want to be able to do a good job of. Whatever it is that you've invited me to do and I don't have the bandwidth to do that right now and I'm going to say no and I could say, yes to every single opportunity but I also would do some of them at a really like I do a really shitty job at them which Jones thinking right now she was like, Sonic. Could. Vote and I did the questions what the hell or so glad you didn't realize you. Know. This is a no brainer. Say. Okay. We're out of time with Gust repping but here's one last question only jen is allowed to answer here. It goes this a this way. This does sometimes. People. If you really like this topic, let us know because I'm be happy to a whole another hour on the other like six questions we haven't even gotten. So this is this is the one that I would love for Gen you just to give a little bit of some of the advice because I think it'll be applicable. What advice would you give to a smart driven college student or junior analysts about to enter the real world quote unquote what advice should they ignore also, I, would say we didn't get so much of the advice to ignore Inter they were actually a ton of teams that popped up on this one of just. People had a lot of great advice to share which was great. Two of my personal favorites I will share one his careers are not linear as a of just letting you know early, you know students entering the workforce letting them know that you know there's no clear correct path for for career. So that's just you know lesson that I don't think coming out of college a lot of kids know there's certain expectations that they wanna live up to at their jobs and crew. So that was a good takeaway, and then the other one is always be learning that came through and a lot of answers of just always looking for opportunities to continue to build your own. Skill set and you know, Tim, this comes naturally for him but being able to do things that aren't necessarily expected of you in just finding opportunities if someone doesn't know how to do something when they're young and motivated and hungry that there's tons of learning opportunities out there to be impactful within a new organization new career, and then you can also find what you may not realize that you left to do. You can find things by accident that was will awesome. Nice good job Michael figuring out the the question to wrap on this thing you know kind of just kidding it was dumb luck but I figured it'd probably have a pretty awesome answer. Thank you so. That's a perfect example of questions like we just collected so much great advice. It was really fun trying to distill it, and now even in this podcast bad I mean just being led a share some of those answers. That's it's rewarding. So thank you for that opportunity. We question he was a good one. All. Right. We've got to start to wrap up and again, really awesome conversation and I think all of engagement that we're having hopefully will transfer over to all of you listening. One of the things we do on the show is called last call we go around the Horn and just talk about something we found interesting that we think might be of interest to our listeners and Jen our guest jeff less call. You'd like to share ideas and keeping in tune with this entire podcast episode. The question one was my favorite question with book recommendations and I actually went out and bought one of the books that was recommended. It's called the personal NBA by Josh Kaufman, and it's essentially a A. CONDENSED MBA in a book it's a very awesome guide to everything between sales and marketing everything that you would typically learn in a business school setting without the business school price tag and it's just a different way to look at whether or not you need whether or not. It's the worth the investment for the higher education, which is also very timely given the current state of education and everything moving online. So it's a great read very easy just to help highlight what you do and don't know about how businesses run. Outstanding a right. Mo, what about you? What's your last call I? Have a weird one. Sir Undoing a throwback to episode hundred, six with Lizzie. Allen, which was all about how we learn. One of the reasons I'm telling you all this is so you can hold me accountable. The other reason is because I want to encourage other people to do it but Lucy's argument was that basically it was very similar like you don't need extra qualifications you just need to build out your portfolio of work, which for analysts can be a public home. So one of the goals that I set myself for the next quarter literally lost night at six PM was that there's peace occurred I've been working on, and it's a mistake that I have made probably thirty or forty times. It's not a mistake. Technically the code works, but it's more dislike I know it's hugely inefficient. and. So by the end of the season, I want to fix the problem and have the code on get hub public. So you'll all know whether or not I actually achieved my goal. But I'm also just putting this as a law school. I guess to encourage other people to make the same commitment, and then it will also help share some dot. So other people now to do stuff. Just get home pages on. Over the. Weekend For it yeah. Tim What's your last call? So I now the great fortune to get to work with the Cory Underwood and he And I know he did this in a very compressed form amount of time but he wrote on in a fifty things I believe about Martin. And it is just like it's a little fifty point mystical and it opens with the anything that includes with a single line of javascript in the marketing material likely isn't being fully honest which we've all. Like okay that's good. That's solid. We all kind of know that but it just has other little their little couplets in triads I think one of my favorite like fifteen sixteen and seventeen are anything dealing with the concept of time is likely to be buggy on release sixteen is any bugs related to the concept of time are likely to be difficult to find, and then seventeen is any way concept of time are likely difficult to explain so The whole thing is kind of in a bounces kind of. Broad and very, very narrow. But from as an analyst, knowing that corey like for a while now is kind of like knows browser tech inside and out bits and he's kind of been on the Dev side but definitely has a foot in analytics and it's just it's a quick and fun little little read. I. Swear You I'm GonNa say delightful that nothing is like. To Tim, it is delightful as well. Michael. So call have a couple but we should just start with about a month ago Tim. Wilson made a list of fifty things I believe about intellects, which was the inspiration for Corrie's list that Tim just talked about. So if you're gonna read Corey's you should definitely Tim's him Tim. You're only wrong about a few of them. So that's pretty excite. The number fifty one, which was go read. Enough. But actually the thing has been banging around my head is we prep for this episode and I was thinking about it was there's a really famous column by journalist Mary Schmidt. Schmidt I dunno say or name. Sorry Mary over here. This she probably won't. If she wrote was basically sort of a commencement address if she was going to give a commencement address and it was put to music and spoken word by Baz Lerman an OSCE and so probably most people are familiar with him. Saying this is just the wear sunscreen song basically is what it became known as is actually kind of a hit in Ireland in the UK and stuff anyways is is a very excellent sort of advice. Column, I guess if you'RE GONNA give people graduating advice anyways. I. Just it was kind of going through my head because of the topic of this podcast. So that's also my last call. If you have not heard that checkout both the column by Mary Schmidt, and also the I'm pretty sure we can find on Youtube copy of the Bachelor Med spoken word of the same thing which is interesting because I actually thought it was for the longest time at commencement address but turns out it was a column instead. Okay you've probably been listening and thinking, Hey, I want to think through some of these things I'd love to react to some of those and we would love to hear from you and the best ways to do that is to reach out to us. You can reach us on our twitter account. You could reach us on the measure slack you could on our Lincoln, page and. You're measure slack, right? Yes. Okay. I thought so I was like I'm pretty sure I think I've talked you on the measure slack before. So I was like I'm preacher you are anyway. So you need to reach out to Jen to and certainly if you do and if you haven't yet go back to I, believe the content still available the Dobie virtual summit should definitely go take the time to go to that because you also get some Eric's Madison perspectives which are also really excellent. So great you see your time. Jen We can't thank you enough. Thank you so much for coming on the show now that you know that you could have said no to this. It's even more or even more thankful that you said. Yes. But round to that round to for the other, the other questions is going to be tough but seriously, thank you so much. You really appreciate the up around. And all the work that you put into getting all these questions and and finding this advice. It's actually really great content. We really appreciate you putting the effort into it. Also while we always want to mention our show producer Josh, Crowhurst, who does such a fine job and we are super thankful for his efforts and I know I speak for both of my co hosts Marcus and Tim Wilson when I say. No matter what questions insurance now Just keeping success. Thanks for listening and don't forget to join the conversation on facebook twitter. All measure slack. Group. We welcome your comments and questions visit us on the web at analytics. Our DOT IO facebook dot com forward slash analytics. Or at analytics Iowa on twitter. SMART guys won't fit in. So they made up a term analytic analytic dot work. Oh my God. What Does that even For. Richard I didn't A. Bunch of charge back off. Don't ever changing Jeddah's on Tim at the last guy that. Really on. Residual L. And Tim? Thank. Him I don't even know what day it is. I don't know what they it just for you either. because. 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