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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

04:22 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"But that are doing that are speaking about Chris Christie theology in. In a broader underlying context of oneness. What is ROY as like on the edge of his something? Like, I thought maybe you would know it. Here's something about like on the edge of the perimeter or something like barely. He's like they talk about yogis keep a thread with this world like gone. Yeah. That they're thread to this reality, so thin. It's like a spider's web, and Richard where I think would agree with he's like he's a Fransciscan fryer. But like as little as you can be because really he's a free. He's a free being. Somewhere else? It's not about the church as much to him as it is about. This. Yeah. And I've seen like Alan watts towards the end of his life. Well, at a certain came out with a or his kids or somebody came out with a all his letters recently. Did you see that all the letters? He ever wrote. Wow. This book, it's amazing including some complaints to come cast. Little insider like, but he wrote to his parents forever. His whole life really wrote letters all the time. But what was happening, and and then he'd write all Huxley, right? All these. So cool to re but you'd see he had this relationship with Christianity. That was interesting he became a priest. I I knew he had been a priest at one point. But I thought he kind of was Christian and then became Buddhist, but he was actually actually started Buddhist. And then realized as he was doing talks in the states. They're like he kind of talked in the fifties. He had talked to pretty much everybody that was interested in Buddhism in the country. Right. This is a Christian country. Ken Christian theology handle these idea rise? And can I bring these ideas and using Christian theology? To reach a wider audience and just to speak the language of the people, right? And it was. Doing some really interesting good work. And then he likes he likes the ladies a lot. So he couldn't be Christian Christian, right? Is the reason why Buddhists Meiling? But anyway, where Jesus I'm like that's fast that book I see his face. I got to collect it. I'm collecting on what I'm in version place, then last place at the same time. I'm simultaneous to say. Like, I'm intrigued by like, but it's all rehearing Jesus. Whereas when you said that the transfer of heaven, it is fun. I'm not spending too much energy on it these days, but I could see myself spending more. Well, can I give you this one because I think you'll enjoy it? Yeah. The first page of be here. Now, it's you know, it's two pages because it's like a centerfold. It says Lassie be converted and become as little children you shall not see the kingdom of heaven. It's basically the the first words are the heart cave and that verse? And when I think of you dancing, gianatti, ohm or dancing in the mountains or laughing at yourself in a sauna. I'm like kids don't aren't constantly insisting who they are. They're they're just being in those. That's what it's so fun to hang out with my baby because I'm just like luminous emptiness, she's luminous emptiness. And that's why I'm saying, I gotta hope having isn't me going my pain. I'm. Fucking nightmare. More Jews and your crown than I have. Yes, you're my father's house has many rooms. But yours is slightly bigger than. Well, that's okay. I used to be there when we were on better terms. Enjoy alaska's. The Lord gets icy cold. I have to go a hate it. Yeah. I really should go. My parents are going to be here. But this Chad has made me more prepared. You know, that you think you're in lighting hanging out with your hang out with your family. I think we do a lot better because we had this talk. So thank you very much. Thank.

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

02:57 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"And I saw it was like blasting often Rocketship as a flatter knowing the science that the earth probably is round. But, but you know, I still feel like earth this flat. Yeah. And then oh shit. No. It's it's definitely not flat. 'cause I'm flying around flying around it. I see it and either it's rotating with me while shipping. Or it's round. Yeah. So I saw I could've maybe articulate some things about how my ego was the source of that stuff. But it didn't I didn't know it in my marrow. And you felt would you say one with God? Is that absolute looking through. God's eyes wasn't. I felt one with God. I saw what the I felt was right. He's what I was. Yeah. Right. So that was listening to your thoughts. And what's watching Michael Gungor? Yeah. You became that. And. And. And I understand what being born again is. Funny. That's a hard to get back because that was so corny. I'm born again. Because I grade to be born again. And now, I am we all went around faking. It I'm saying this is somebody who was several times born again on fire for the Lord again. And it could have been a good mood or something. I don't know what it was certainly wasn't revelation or what you're experiencing on these hallucinogens, and it's funny because people here when I've told that story like how can you trust that you're on mushroom? What do you mean? I don't trust. Right. This. On oxygen and carbon and food. It's this is also my brain building reality this way. This is also just another like, so you take this thing. And it least it's like going to another place at least helps you realize that you were in a place to begin. Exactly. Yeah. You were in prison. Yes. And then you leave and then you go back, and you go like, at least, I know I'm in prison. Everyone else is just going around going. This isn't prison. This is Wisconsin. Yeah. Yeah. I think what's going back to what you said about the Buddhist teacher who said it's not so much something. I don't remember how you were David, Nick. You don't have to try. Yeah. It's not a it became it doesn't become about trying to like, oh, it's actually sort of like an absence of trying. Right. It's switch something. That's right. Something it crossed the line where it's not like my ego went away. But it couldn't. I couldn't not know that it was there anymore. That's right. When I was with. Roamed us on the private retreat. So it was just he, and I and my the whole the whole lesson that I learned was this idea of being love not loving things rationally thinking about love, but just being love. Things that I've experienced certainly with als. Now what the baby and then with Rondo side definitely felt that..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

02:55 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"Then he died and people would like Christian started smoking crack so sad round. That's also about taking psychedelics being like let it being let out of prison. But then when the chemical wears off you have to go back into prison, and then he goes, and it's worse going back into prison is worse. Yeah. You went out. Yeah. Darker and you smell the air. And you saw the stars. And then you had to go back. So you are actually having this is why it's dangerous not dangerous, but it's kind of juicy and charged. If you have an experience like that. It's not I don't want to say it's a gift an occurs. But it's a it's a complicated. Mitzvah, totally. Yeah. So there you are and. So I think what if I just stop. What if I just let go of all this? I just stop. What would happen? Kind of image came to me like I was in a river. And I had been for fifteen years holding on to a branch. Yeah. Just no I can't I can't let go go. I will die like my life goes out of my control. Right. And then the thought crossed my head like what if the rivers good? I'm like this. I brought me this all this time. And I'm trying to wrestle with as though I could wrestle with it knowing at the same time, I'm feeling my hands trying to slip right to Neville, this is inevitable. Right. But I'm still trying to rationalize it justified. Maybe it's okay. Maybe I'm going to be okay. If I can't keep believing. If I can't keep this language if I can't stay in church where I can talk about God without. And I'm like, I'm fighting and fighting, but then feeling like it's this is not I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to keep I'm out of religions. I'm out of the big ones. Yeah. Yeah, I've tried to find as much as I can from all these, practices and religions and like I just need. I and then it's just like I just like, oh is it, and okay, I'm not going to believe by letting go in that context. What that felt like to me was becoming an atheist like God, I'm taking that word out of my life. I I'm just not gonna think about it. And it was weird. Because again at that point if I would have asked me, God something to believe in said. No, right. You don't have to believe in. God. I didn't think at that point. I didn't think God was going to send me to hell of I didn't believe in them. Right. And it wasn't a him. It was like, right. Right. Right. Right. But but I was like trying to hold onto that there's still clinging to his old psychology that you you can't you can try and be passed it..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

04:39 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"Because this is this guy is just like an ego maniac. There's no concern from anything other than business audience of one. You got to see it. I knew you hadn't it's so obscure it's about a Meg Meg, Linda Mont, megalomaniac meglomaniac. But how do you say Mangla maniacal there in his? Pastor who wants to make a movie to watch? And it's like Star Wars. And he's like it's old, but it's new Star Wars. He's like, no. And he's clearly just an unstable person. But you and I grew up in a world where we're like these people can't be people there pastors. There's special. In the green room. I I won't say his name because most people know his name, but Dale. I was sitting in the green room, and I was kind of sitting on the floor with my feet outstretched. And he was coming. He was entering the king was entering. And so his his bodyguard entourage. Like, literally kicked my leg. Get your feet on the way. No just kidding enters. Its just like this whole world. I think this is all bullshit. I have this reasonably with somebody where it was a Christian person. I knew that was talking about their guns and stuff. And I know there's a touchy subject but fucking. It's like I was like so somebody breaks into your garage in this trying to take your bike or something you're gonna shoot this person. You know, what I mean, totally oh, you know, Jesus when someone asks you to walk a mile with them, shoot them. If someone's laps you in the cheek shoot Cabanera as what is the like. Have not just have the bike. I it's just like I'm not gonna kill somebody you thinking this through. And what if it's somebody that's on drugs, and they're in your house because they're confused and you're jumpy as fuck because you're scared, and you shoot somebody. That's enjoy that on your deathbed. You moralistic fun murdered somebody the same thing that made you feel so good on Sunday. As now going to haunt you as you slip into Infinity because you murdered somebody and you have to go. Well, he was in my property. Well, let's hope you know, Saint Peter at the pearly gates has American laws printed out. Well. And he was trying to take your bike get in. There you sharp shooter could good marksmanship. You can't wait to meet the guy. He's in there too going back to I believe this shit. And that was the problem for me. Like, I believed that when you follow Jesus you're supposed to like. Your attention was supposed to go to the least of these right? And that your energy should have gone to the least of these. And I was part of a church that was building youth facilities with pool tables and flat screen TV's and video game systems. And then I went down to the homeless outreach. On a Saturday. And they couldn't afford burgers for everybody. That was there. So they had to like find degrade hot dog meat shit. Boy, it was like I know what we just spent. Yeah. Unlike one lesson new flat screen TV that one corner of the lobby. Yeah. Replaced. The non whatever it is or K one God. So I was like what do we believe any of this stuff? Right. And so through all that all my idealism. Is any this real? I didn't know believe in God. I I'd your wife Why who. did he Lisa were you like she saw a lot of the same stuff? So we had a lot of the same. Like you grew. You were going together or changing the other would say. Yeah. Beautiful that could have gone. The other way totally seen lots of stories where it's like in. Hell, yeah. I remember seeing it's not certainly not with his family. I don't think science Mike experience some of you know, like he like, you don't wanna be a profit. You know, what I mean like truth comes with a price, and you start waking up to these things you might be snug in bed with something. And it's going to be cold when those sheets or whipped off. Yeah. I mean, it was so slow. I think all these every one of these from Genesis one is only. Metaphorical one to Genesis twelve all those were like slow steps that were very disgust with LIZA. And she saw the reasons I was doing it in. I just bringing me back in Genesis one to twelve as metaphor. Thirteen. It is hard copy..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

02:01 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"I still remember guy going. It's the scriptures. It's up to. That's what you need. Oh, John is the least reliable gospel. Get all my God. My dick is inside my body retreated. And it's in there there used to be the it used to be that acknowledgement. All your ways was same kind of thing is like pray ceaselessly, or when I think about your brother Lawrence the monkhood practice. The presence practicing the and the presence of God by washing dishes to me that always meant like you've gotta have this extra thought layered on that you're doing right about parting the curtains of your endless, horsh it brain. It was about concentrating. Right. Trying dry to acknowledge God not dissolve into it. But really it's like don't stop singing chantilly lace in your head. Yeah. Keep keep it going. Yeah. And I had such an internal monologue for so much of my life. A lot of it was forgive me. Forgive me. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. These could have a heart attack. And it was just those good. Forgive me out. Just. Hey, good to settle. Forgive me. Just in case, you don't know what you did remember the brownie. There's some cotton those brownies you drought, some forgive. You that rapture could happen at any moment. Dude. But I always thought so I thought that acknowledging I thought that that always was like he had to have an extra layer of shit going on your brain. When you're washing the dishes. It's not just that those dishes are the presence of God manifest. It's right. I'm washing the dishes, and like praise you praise your praising thank you God for or whatever I understand. Now. Now Why? why? Because if it's head stuff, it's it's it's endless. I said today Nick turns Buddhist teacher I was like it's so exhausting to try and be present all day..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

04:36 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"I think I know you do because you had the same exact there. I and I also had the same experience when I was in Uganda. Yeah. Because I found a book written by a pastor there. So under the same umbrella of he is not supposed to lie. He's supposed to be a friend of Jesus all the stuff, and he wrote this book about like the devil visiting him and going to the bottom of the ocean where they make ladies bras and real made perfume. And I'm reading it. And I'm like, I remember saying to Whitney this woman, the leader the mission leader, I was like this isn't real right? And she was like, I don't think. So I think he's probably unstable or something. And it was like how would we discern? Turn this claiming us. He's a pastor. He's in our group. And he's saying this happen these he's either having like a schizophrenic delusion or maybe that person is. But like, how do we know the guy that wrote numbers numbers is like the least trippy book that road as Esther? Okay. These pick a better one. You know what I'm saying? Like, how do we know that that has equal or Paul wasn't like a nutty guy? I'm not saying he was I'm just saying we're putting them in this little fucked up. It seems like right? Certainly a collective these are collecting weirdoes that would love our eclectic weirdos are real because they're the old collective weirdos. And if you're an eclectic weirdo now, it's so easy to say, clearly, you're off your meds. Like you need Thors either. You're having an episode, right? Yeah. But those are the people that made our religion where people that would be told to take an antipsychotic. It's so I mean, it's kind of like, yeah. No, keep dolemite Gakhal. You won't get anywhere. Every time. I can't go you stout. Yeah. So all the what was the next. I mean, then I could like evolution you Lucien. If I could if I could interpret the end of the bible figuratively. Maybe I could interpret the beginning of bible because what's the whole thing with so fun as and six thousand years. How can you have a day if the sun doesn't exist? How come we can see stars billions of light years away? It doesn't make any role God created it mature. But why I thought God was outside of time. Right. Is he like, he's just an hurry. Even though he's outside time speed that part up. I don't wanna be waiting all those years. Right. So I didn't make any sense it didn't fit. I guess I have hall head. It's It's fig. but I needed to believe it right for my tribal identity for my career for my sense of security. Yeah. And belonging, you also selling it selling you needed to believe it because you didn't want to go to bed every night going. What am I doing? Yeah. My wife, and I my first gift to my wife was a leatherbound bible with our verse underlined in it and her name and plays into goal on the cover. What was your trust in the Lord with all your heart? Not understanding. And you'll make your pet straight. So what's going to happen? If I stop trusting the Lord with all my heart, my pets going to veer off the cliff. Yeah. Of course. So I've got a figure out how to keep believing. Right. But you know, what's funny about that? Verse man, again, thirty nine year old Pete. Here's that verse my whole life and now I'm like. Yeah. Trust in the source the mystery with all your heart. Not even your head with something beyond your mind. And lean not on your understanding what we say on. This is your job. We're trying to understand the internet you you'll never be able to fit all of this mystery in you. It's just the the design of the game is we get glimpses. But you're not gonna hold it forever. So just relax a little bit. Yeah. But instead it was giving you stress. Yeah. I think the only part of that verse that I wouldn't like just kind of let slide by now. It'd be knowledge him in all your ways. Yeah. I can see like if well just the way that I interpreted that for so many baby back to bible cod. Like the Greek say. What is it? It's at new says, which at the time when a Greek person turnip he would. That there were other turnips. Yeah. So you just are aware of choices in the market school debates are the best..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

04:26 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"What is this? What is this? So we have this Ernest call or draw your drawn to what's going on here. Does I'm sort of union with the source of what ha- what is happening here. Apart from any religion or dog Mercer? You're just like you have it and your itchy. And so here's this kid who so earnestly wants God. But when it was sold to him, it was stapled to this other document that was like gay people or fucked so his earnest, and this gets contaminant somebody pooped in the well, you know, so he has this beautiful drive. And then a lot of times what I see is than people throw out everything. What really makes me excited is when they go like, no somebody pooped in the well, let's get the poop out drain the well, it'll fill it up with something new. But yeah, that's difficult to do. It is difficult. But that was that. I was wondering what led to your deconstruction? So it was this kid that kid evolution. So I guess the big ones the four horsemen of the puck lives for me. The first one was actually the end times funny enough that was in high down the I was like if the antichrist's because in our Esca tala g the anti Christ was gonna come. We're supposed to get the Mark of the beast you from these Emily was. Yeah. Or literally symbols probably some Mike. Band or your forehead? Yeah. There was different theories. Or maybe it was a little six six. I don't know how it's gonna work. Whatever it was it probably was going to be a Chipper. That's that's very persuasive anti Christ. If he gets people to literally put six something like Amazon, prime six six six. Mr bazo. But I was like I don't understand how I thought from everything I know about the bible the Old Testament moving to the New Testament was like we had all these external laws, and now it was becoming about the heart and us trusting Jesus, and that was our way of salvation. But now all of a sudden it goes back to the external stuff it's about a Mark that you get on your body. I don't understand interesting and about the world ending as opposed to like your inner world transforming. I wasn't there yet. Okay. But I was more just like from what I understood about salvation because that was my primary concern them. I'm going to be okay with God as it should be. And now I have to be if given their rules. Yeah, you're right to pick that a hot topic. So I'm worried about all this internal. But now I'm going to have to keep an eye out for that. I don't get the wrong Mark or tattoo. I don't understand that. So maybe that's figured ill. Like, it's a Mark on your hand in your forehead. Could that be like your actions in your thoughts? Maybe. Oh, what is that dangerous to think that there's a figured it figured verse in the bible? Food. I just heard the ice crack. Yeah. That was the hood ice crack. Yeah. But it echoes and the trees. Since snow falls off of them. Yes. Oh my God. That's a good ice crab. I remember the next ice. Crack was I was in a plane. I was in Dallas Fort Worth. I just been through the bookshop. I don't remember the name of the book. Some book where some guy claims that every word was spoken to him by God. And he had a dialogue with God might be called dialogue with God. Or something conversations with God, something like that. And I read it in my mind was like. Yeah. Right. And then I got on the plane, and it just hit me like put why is my claim that the bible was inspired by God any better than that. Guys. Birds. Fly off the tree. With the falling. Divine inspiration is a hot topic that we're all ignoring I had the same crisis in Utah. And they were like this is where the latter day saints the current the current profits of the church are writing new documents. They're currently receiving divine inspiration writing. And I was like. That windows closed. Yeah. Why was it when we said it was? When we it was open. That's real that was the real window. And now that those are the Mormons were very the latter day saints. We're very challenging to me because they were being kind of fast and loose with something that we were fast and loose with. You know what I mean?.

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

04:26 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"Yes of Coors. Oh, the story. So interesting, I wouldn't mind slowing down a little bit. What was it like going to Rob's church? What was different because I somebody. I forget who was there were like, rob wasn't always obviously rob talking about changing, man. Yeah. I find all these people. These like new avatars that represent endless change. I've known rob for five six years or something. I've watched him continue to evolve and change not necessarily in his like brain. But I keep watching as you know, what I mean, like it's not like we sit around and go like I used to believe this now believe this like, ding, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, ones and zeros. Yeah. But I'm watching like a constantly evolving person with that in mind like there, what phase where you getting rob? When you went to Mars hill, it's started. I think in his early. My guess is in his early like, I don't know if hell Israel. So this was several years before love winds came out. Right. But he was preaching sermons. I was like everybody listening to what he's saying hilarious because I don't think you guys understand what he's saying. He's saying there's no hell. Super cleverly maze. Unmasked? Found a way. It's like when I say a great comedian. And I'm like, he's calling the audience idiots these. He's saying to these people your idiots and they're loving it. They're not hearing him. There's nothing. It's delicious. I'm using that word deliberately. Yeah. So by the stylish by the time love winds came out and people got so mad. I was like have you been paying attention for like seven gears? Wow, the answer. No. Yeah. Like, they had all his new videos, even if you watch those like pay attention. Yeah. Well, rob will do that. Yeah. I again, I we let's make a note to not air this right next to Darcy 'cause we are covering a lot of the same area. Last time. I saw rob. He talked about the parable about the field workers and one of them. Jesus tells the story one of them works for like three hours one of them works for five hours and one of them works for ten hours, and they all get paid the same and rob discos because you can't. Divide Infinity talking about God's love is in finit. So you can't it doesn't matter. It's you know, what I'm saying. It's like everyone gets the same amount of love because it's completely irrational your brain wants to go while ten hours guys should make dollars hours thirty three thirty dollars. And God he keeps shouting at us. I it's not that's not how it works. So I'm sure he was doing stuff like that. Exactly. But if you're saying a parable of Jesus you're kinda like, well, I can't disagree with that. But then if you you offer your thoughts on that. And put it into words and really say, I think we've lost the narrative on hell, then people get as upset more upset than your dad. Having an affair. Yeah. Apparently pretty upset. There was no cartons. Yeah. I mean, people got real real upset in our church. I kinda give credit to our church for seeing that before the puppy like. Yeah. Come to our church for some events. And then our pastor was like I feel like he's kinda getting off off track. He's losing the word. Yeah. You use meld which way the wind was cooking. And it was it was the only thing that was keeping my faith a lot because. I was already as as the world was deconstructing around me. And as I was in college and saw this was actually before Michigan. But when I saw that kid. This this kid. I don't remember why he was doing this. But he was like giving a speech about him singing. You're my all in all every night when when you go to bed he was gay trying to get healed. Yeah. And to me that was I would sing he was in. This was someone you knew this was a guy that part of some conversation that I remember how it happened. But it was like it's stuck with me because here's this. I thought at that time gay people choice, and you probably thought would at least there was something wrong with him. Yeah. I saw the shame. I sought a deeper shame that I had with my own sexuality. Right. And that he had just as much desire as me Santa hat free of it that, but also he had an earnest we have this earnest, I like to call it..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

03:03 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"They're fun. You're answering calls you're like responding to impulses. Use the word now, I'm like you're not being known like you're looking for it. You you start going believe the shit. Yeah. That was the problem. I believed it right. So it's cognitive dissonance. You need to fill in gaps to make it make sense. It's very important your psychology to make this work. Yes. Yeah. You're married to your faith. And and everything was based on my relationship with Lisa my family life my career life. We're starting that's bigger than my nation was recorded one of the first years that I was at church. Really? I think that's a great title though. That's a very what am I assume that the music you were making when you were like deep in the church with all bad. I don't know it. I'm just saying that title sounds like a song you could right now. Because that's what I like I like to think of as God in the mystery thing is being way bigger than I can conceive of. Yeah. Which is a great kind of a pretty airtight defense to not have to think about things or it can just be like, look, we're trying bigger than I can see about which anybody and. I found those ideas within the tradition within Christianity. And they they sparked something in me. Right. And I followed it right, which I follow all the way to leaving Grand Rapids go, and rob Bell's church questioning everything through all that I had had to deconstruct my views of evolution and gape like gay people being centers because they're gay or like, right? All that stuff was like one by one falling away with those the big ones. Isn't it? Interesting that they sort of like get us in the mire of sex. Shame with our own sexuality. And then I think that sort of has a kind of that Leonard Cohen length the cracks or the light gets in. So we're broken because we're jerking off all the time. And then we in that broken. This can consider what it might be like to be attracted to your own gender, or whatever it is. And then your heart breaks for those people because you actually. I felt I've said this before, but I felt like in the church I had to come out as straight like it's also shameful to be like I love. Teddy's. Also, that's also bad unless they're married unless you those titties, I take these Teddy's jiggling left and right. And so for the rest of my days and just these cities, right? Yes. Sex shame actually helps us have a little build a bridge. That's the type of suffering that for me at least built a bridge to help to understand some of the plight of what it might be like to be gay in Christian, which is heavy. Yeah. Very having. So out of that. We got tired of the mega church seen signing autographs after every service front of the church every. Yeah, it was your shirt, what was the coffee shop called higher ground..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

03:25 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"So she's a victim of all this interest innocent bystander, they wouldn't even let her she wasn't. She never came back. She never got to face her, friends and be hugged and held. They got isolated. By armed guards. You're not allowed back and then they're they have no job. No income there. Whatever their savings were retirement somehow got fucked up from the church, and I on staff at the church years still going I'm still there. And I'm like telling the leadership there like it. I'm going home. I'm pissed at my dad. So I'm not I'm like, okay with them being mean to him because I'm so mad. But I I'm not okay with me. So might means my mother who just do with any of it. That's she's a pile of raw nerves, and tears weeping all day or just like she's in terrible shape. But nobody's there to see her. But me, so I'm going home, and I'm going to work and on my can't you guys seem like you're being really cruel to my parents. And they're then they would accuse me of being manipulated by my parents at home. And then I go home and be like put dad the church said that you said this, and he'd be like you're being manipulated at work, and I'm nineteen I'm still trying to plan a wedding. And I'm like and. Then we can't Leeson. I can't go out to eat. This is my wife. Now, my fiance at the time. We can't go out still we're we're. For sure. Yeah. Forgive me for forecasting where he thought the story might be going was like oh your dad in fair. And then you broke it off with your wife. You're like, well, this is all shit. Yeah. But you stayed stayed. Even though was there pressure on you to like sell out, your dad to sell out kind of hard because I mean, you were just doing what you were told good boys would do which is not approve of what he did. Yeah. I try to stand up and be the man of the godly, man. So now you have to be like extra God. Yeah. And. So that just turned into like a mess that we couldn't go out to eat without what's happening with your parents in town. And so we just laughed. We went to Michigan took a job there. When. But that's would you have gone to Michigan. We your hair cut totally. Yeah. But then in that going from kind of this college barefoot leading worship charismatic going hour and a half with music if it's really feeling good to seventeen minutes Dutch shot. I have a staff my mother or assistance older than my mother. I have interns and a brass section acquire fuck up, and they're like can you buy some better close your money? You can go to banana Republic and get some nice clothes. You are where. Gift some thought. Yeah. Let's seventeen minutes to the dot music. Like, the it was a completely different world. Like, this is the this is the last song. So this is the one we put our hands up during or like now and the the the pastor this was right down the street from rob stretch. Rub Elster really. And he was the heretic. We were not that was not a good scene to be seen. It mars. So when I started going I had to go secretly, wait. So you're working at this church. And then he started going to Mars hill. Working cheers and drinking thrive. That's crazy. But. But..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

03:35 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"You're like there's things first of all what kind of heaven is it that you're still fucking Michael Gungor? Get the fuck out of my fucking face. And attorney of continuing to insist your Michael Gungor from Wisconsin. And your dad was a pastor keep working that keep going. Well, my wife left me. No ten trillion years later. What is this idea? It's narcissism. It's like living forever in a human way as opposed to just like smearing in in into all the colors in a way that we can't comprehend deli. Evan album that's called like bigger than my imagination the old stuff. I do. I'm sorry, buddy. That's great. And I I was listening to it. And some of them were more straightforward. So that was probably like pre two thousand one. Yeah. Yeah. He's not weird. And that was almost twenty years ago. You probably looked at my name and not my band. It came from and gung juice them. Names record of my name. It'd be good. I yeah, that's interesting. But I thought it was lovely. I mean, I thought it was great. There was it was more. We were listening to together. And we were like this is more reminding me of music that I listen to in the church some of it. You know what I'm saying? I I mean that was a long time ago. What was the suffering that you that cause you to wrestle with that for fifteen years? Yeah. So a lot of it's start the big turbulent earthquake that happened that shook everything up was my dad and fair. Classic. I'm sorry. That's so classic. Was it? Somebody was counseling. I don't want to is this something that you don't talk about. Well enough to talk about the details from my my. I'm actually have this story in my book that's coming out. And I talked to my mom recently. She's like don't give details of who. This was. But I was only trying to make a pattern of light. That's what happened in my church. My pastor had sex with so many counseled. And then they were like this is why in our church you can't counsel someone of the opposite sex more than once which really puts a damper on any progress whatsoever. But apparently, we're so repressed and so during and so lonely and looking for some sort of avatar, that's not our weird pastor's wife and her Perm. Yeah. You know? So I I have you You know, know. you tell me what you wanna tell me. I mean, feel free to ask any of that. I would normally say anything, but I just had with someone else. It's someone else in my life. Yeah. So how old were you? I was just engaged to be married shot. Do that the nineteen ninety kick? Roddy kicks. Oh my God. These karate kegs. Yeah. He's aren't life events there. Karate kick. Yeah. You got karate kick. I did. And then I was so we had started this church. We being my family. My dad the pasture. But I was a worship leader. It was this like the hot thing. And Tulsa, it was like in three years at had a few thousand people coming to and it was. All the hot college girls riding in the front. It was good. Wow. It was the scene inside. I know. And so then this after only a few years my dad having this affair. All the sudden all this energy and attention is like, well, what the fuck do we do about is..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

04:56 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"What is he wasn't doing it in like an end lighten way. Like if you meet a Buddha on the road. Oh my God. I want that so bad. I would love it. If she was just up leveling me. And it's like I see a Buddha kill shoes. Just like this isn't ar-ram Matteo. We're LA's family and get this Pringle eastern Pringles like a lime coconut Pringle out of our fucking phases. How did we get here? I was going to bring it back to you. Somehow, I served we're on a couch him doing therapy suffering, and you were saying suffering gets you out of your Rhett. Yeah. Because it was we were digging into that loop pretty hard as like the the. Charismatic christian. God is going to send revival to the earth. And he's going to use us and our family, and our church all later stuff and interesting all laters later. Yeah. Totally right. As always later God is going to do something later. There will be redemption later. It's not sorry. You just know things. I can't wait to talk about that. There's a lot of later church going on. That's the problem with visas. We'll take the throne again. Yeah. If you just took all that. If you took the disconnected from our source and later have you just took that picture? Yeah. A lot of it would be, but that's so much healthier. When I listen to music to me, it's if you don't have to be groovy with the term enlightenment, but how about remembering how about just having a little breath of fresh air. So when I'm listening to your music, I remembered briefly, you know, what I'm saying? And that's what good church did for me at times. But once. The brain gets involved. It starts wanting to do a spreadsheet of like, well, why is the world? Not exactly right. Well, God isn't in control. But he will be later. But the idea I have it in my phone. I think you'll like it. So I'm going to actually look it up. This is this is a verse that Allen wants quotes constantly a bible owners. It's a bible verse five overs for me. I like I'm gonna look up. Do you want to these windows? I to open how to know God book, seventies pregnant beyond say mine geek documentary mantra dirty, and I don't even know what that is naturally liberating. Whatever you meet cannot open page. Sorry. I'm gonna find it. The more involved. That's a great quote. Oh here it is. This is good. This is good. It always has to reload after finding is Asia forty five seven I form the light and create darkness. I bring prosperity and create disaster. I the Lord do all these things isn't that a good one the great ones right there in the middle. It's totally ignored that creates. I mean, wouldn't you was your experience that it was like suffering is in air pain is an error. If something goes wrong. God was looking the other way. I mean that question. Haunted me for fifteen years where severing comes from. And why how is this like this? And I, you know, I try to flirt with like Calvinism or something God that is is that as a horrible way terminate them. Well that God. We'll see still if you take out if you take out later and disconnected from God, even Calvinism is not nearly as bad the part that. But if the end of the road is that God is a separate something from you. And he has decided before the foundations the world to send you to hell forever. Right. That's a rough story. Yeah. So much more. Oh my God. Are you fucking kidding me? The big black blanket. That's that's gossiping is. Yeah. I know this sucks, but guess what? It doesn't matter because you are going to dive off the high dive into loose dense black soil, and you won't even be there to not like it, even if it will. A Louis one. God determined the just the devil went to health returned suffered. Yeah. And we all get to party in heaven and bliss fraternity what what's wrong with you that you like are okay with being being consciously right tortured for all of turn ity. Is that in love wins the idea that like what kind of heaven is that, you know, you're like, hey, where's where's uncle Bill? From the store fell. Where's my uncle? Phil Phil from the fresh prince these right over there. Eating numbers. You where's our Phil? What kind of heaven is it that?.

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

03:51 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"The bay was a pain asshole. He just said what if he just went? And I'm an asshole. This is the in in my heart was probably something things on the outside aren't what they appear. I don't there's gotta be something or or everything and its content. I don't know what it was. I'm trying to come up with his own. Listen for him. I don't remember that. I just remember. But that is such a I I'm liberal with this diagnosis, but that feels a little abusive to me, I'm going to say that. But that's what I'm saying is hard. My dad didn't do that kinda shit. But it was that was my world. Yeah. So it's hard to know like, well what the the shitty stuff that? I got from my faith was that in the house was that a children's shirt was that Christian school, and they're saying there are other theories of creationism, but the real truth is seven days, and it's six thousand years old. You dad would say there are other theories. Yeah. But he believed in the literal set verse. Yeah, he's yeah. He's changed a lot. No way men changing, dude. Give me some men changing. I don't think there's anything I know I can only speak for men because I'm trapped in one of these horrible fucking things. Man changing is maybe one of my I hate when people just give up they go. This is what it's been. And this is what it is. And I'm going to write you can this is such a homes thing. I'm gonna ride this out till I die might be an Irish thing. It's just like this is that. Yeah. And I'm not I'm not a quitter quitter with it tug about their inner worlds. They'll never tell you the doubt in their heart or whatever it might be. They just go like I've built a very tight seal. Yeah. On this door, and you can't come in. Wasn't there? Something about like men often don't change their hairstyles from the time, they're seventeen or something. I didn't know what arrested development was. But that's what it is a lot of people. I know especially my family have deep arrested development a photo of them in the nineties is a photo of them today. It's the same same hair. Same clothes. It's just like, they're not embarrassed. Yeah. Maybe that's what they're going for. That. Is you know, I've heard talk about and maharaja talks about or talked about. Suffering being a gift it brings me so close to God. Yeah. That is one of the gifts of suffering that sometimes the suffering gets too much that you can't stay. Yeah. With that same haircut for the rest of your life. Right. It's the only way that you'll well, I certainly look at my divorce. I actually haven't talked about divorce for one I'd like to think I've retired it somewhat topic or not in a little bit. It comes up from time to time. But I do think of that as the catalyst rob bell. Who are you friends? Rob talked about something with me where he was like suffering, not always no one here is claiming to have a universal theory of suffering. But it does seem to be one of the ways that works is snapping you out of something talk about breaking someone's loop. Yeah. Yeah. So I was on a loop. Parting my here in the middle like Corey Matthews's best friend on boy meets world. And and I was sagging my pants because that's what you did in the nineties. It Lee, you know, white kids and suburbia trying to. I'd cross colors. There you go cross. We're the same age. This is what I'm at shell toe. Adidas with the hockey laces. This just because that's what someone fucking told me Janko jeans. I didn't say I wasn't this goal is you I wasn't as cool. I couldn't do it. I would see we were a lot of like car hearten stuff. Which is I don't know. That's so Boston. But we you get stuck and then the divorce shakes up everything. And that was something. This is straight Ramda's Maharaj is something you would never avast for and that finally gets you to change your haircut..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

03:37 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"Types that seem to have the light room. They are the light room that you went in. And there's just an open people use the same words, it's like an openness and then areas and a and a lack of agenda, and when you encounter that it's very it's very very appealing. This is one of the things. I know we grew up. Similarly, it was actually my brother-in-law that was like you should have Michael on your podcast. And I know it's because we grew up similarly, and one of the things that I was thinking very interesting is that people have a million times. But I'm putting it to you people were drawn Jesus. People liked Jesus. You know what I mean? Like they. I mean, some people, but they he drew a crowd. Yeah. Leave when I drive. Yeah. Exactly gets on boats and stuff when I drive through Koreatown, and there's a person on the corner with the megaphone shouting about hellfire, or whatever it is. I'm like, they're not they're they're chewing people away. It's become like the worst thing in the world. So why don't you talk a little bit about your experience because I know you're from Grand Rapids. I. I or you're not Grand Rapids. I'm from Wisconsin. Uh-huh. We moved around a bit. Yeah. My dad was a pastor. I grew up learning music in church. We were kind of in the charismatic to know. Okay. I always liked the Charismatics though. Because I still kind of do I even have a quiet respect for the lady on the corner with the megaphone and really do. Because at least she means it, you know, what I mean. Yes. And it's in bodied. Yeah. It's active faith with works doing something and the pentecostals or the Charismatics different types of charismatic when they're talking about like in in eternal love or something. They're they're getting it in their spines. You know what I mean? Or they're faking it there's both in every group every group has faked and reels I even look back on my own church them. We're real. Yeah. Exactly. From moment to moment to moment. You could see that. That's like what gives a charge fake real fake real fit real fake real. But that's kind of the best. We can do. I've lately been looking back on my own church and going like there have to be at that church and had to have been when I was there some woke ass mother fuckers that I just didn't know because they all just seem like a bunch of phonies to me because I was going through my Holden Caufield charismatic. Yeah. And so that's how I learned how to play music and now that I look back. That's what taught me about the moment. What do you mean like music or the church all of it? The charismatic and the music, and I studied jazz in school and all of it like it's what I do like about charismatic faith as well. Still after I I had I had to leave it for a long time to be able to create some of this stuff. But. There was like a paying attention to the moment of what is happening right now. And it wasn't just about right wrote. Liturgy wasn't just. Yeah. Connectik? Yeah. And someone might start going might. Like any moment. Sermon might be interrupted by someone going. Very zen like ours was like he gets forty minutes. He gets forty six. That's how well the sermon was probably twenty five minutes felt valley. Yeah. My dad was I remember him cry. Remember him crawling around the stage with Isla. Got a nice little of you here of your my undies undies. It was that its stages allowing got a little. Is that bad? I'm in my voice. I feel wearing underwear. Home with me me me, Andy's.

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

02:26 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"I was like I sort of wish when I interviewed him I had been in that like fresh enthusiastic state. So what you experienced that was him. And then you look it up. It's like that's like that's when the irons hot like now do the interview. Now, we talk. But here we are all this time afterwards. I know. I was I I was. was I was like, man. I hope I hope I wasn't a dick. I could've been a dick to to. No. But. How often how often you don't pay attention to what's right there? Right. I. I. Life one that's actually one of the more subtle. It's almost like the French should have a word for it. The small heartbreak, I'm sure the Japanese do somewhere. I bet they do. It's like I've been at parties I'll go to like kumail Emily's house for their one of the few friends that have parties, and we'll go like they have like a pool, and we'll go swim, and it's fine. And and then afterwards, Emily will be like there was a guy there who like is super interim daas and micro doses. Every day. And I'm just like what the fuck do. I've missed a guy. Like that was my chance to talk to somebody. But one of the things that's so sad is like you're an elevator or your, you know, eating in an airport, and you might be next to somebody. Who's just phenomenal you for sure next to somebody? You're almost definitely next to somebody. That's phenomenal. And that's what sucks is that. There might be you know, social cues that you see that stop you from connecting those moments where we left above the clouds is when you go like, holy like listening to your music this morning. First of all, I knew you were a cool, dude. And I wasn't really where that you're a musician. Even though I know you told me, but I wasn't familiar with your music that a good cry. Listen to this morning. I was really brought me into the moment. Very deeply and the lyrics and the and the music together. One of my immediate. What I mean was it wasn't just the lyrics. It wasn't just like you talked me into it. It was the music as well and very very complex, and I get I don't really like music. That's too simple. And so it was wonderfully complex, not overly not what's the word pretentious, but like complicated enough that my brain really locked into it. And then you that that's one of the things that tricks the brain into stop analyzing it, it's like it gets overwhelmed..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

03:27 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

"Does it? Yes. Energy blanket behind you, actually, moved at C. You could sit on this. What do you mean? This was one of his no I that would be. So it has it's just a somebody made screen printing him on a blanket. Yeah. This is going to be exciting. I don't actually know how much did your podcast, but I don't recall. I don't recall I must have gamut a lot talked about comedy. Yep. And signs Mike was there. Mike was there podcasts the the littered the literature just wanna plug. It people podcasts hard to find new podcast. I'm not just this isn't some non you know, what I mean? Like, there's no Netflix like, hey like this. Maybe you're just like, what do I overwhelm? I sometimes we'll search terms like you terms. I mean, you could search for like. Spirituality like. What comes up, you know? I went over to ours tagged like ours. We talk about those things, and I don't know. That's where comedy podcast. It's really weird. But you're how would you? Yeah. It's well, it's spirituality. It's science. All right. Kind of science. Is he always on it? Yeah. He, and I started it always his you're in the room when we started Hamilton. A room where we started it. We're we're it happens. So we were at rob Bell's house. Uh-huh. And my I was there you were there. And it was in Laguna Laguna old house and Ryan O'Neal from sleeping at last. Was there? It's a ban. But anyway, we went over to Rob's house, and we're supposed to be talking about this idea that we had the litter Just's, and you were there, and I didn't know who you were just guy. Full time in my life. Where like I love being married, obviously. But when Val and I were long distance. I was just like a free like, ma'am. I don't mean like, I'm not free now, I wait for our single then. But I was just like a guy guy. I was like I was like a boat you left in the ocean, and it just sort of moved around. So like, it's totally feasible that bag men just a man with no responsibilities. I would just be at Rob's house just like eating sandwich, you checks out because we were kind of in a circle, and you were just kind of over in the corner like thirty feet away. I was there so much that this was normal. I was I would witness other hangs. I wasn't involved in them. I was like, hey, guys. I'll be here before you get here. And I'll be here after you leave after you left somebody that was Pete Holmes that and then I like check out yourself. I was like I wish I would have spoken to that guy. I've had that happened. I actually just talking about I had the guy from Jimmy world on his name is Jim and I don't remember his last name eat world. And it was just saying Val. There's there's a quality of enthusiasm when you first discover somebody. So like, I I'm currently relisting. I don't know why I I'm back into Jimmy world. I think it's because I'm so tired the baby. I always listen to the national. And now, Mike I'm gonna listen to something a little bit more upbeat because I'm I don't wanna crash. So I know they're not like the most uptempo stuff. But I love it..

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"michael gungor" Discussed on The Liturgists

The Liturgists

01:46 min | 2 years ago

"michael gungor" Discussed on The Liturgists

"The oh man just podcast everybody i'm michael gungor aka vishnu dawson and i am so glad to be here with you at the season's going to be amazing we're gonna talk about all of the juicy stuff saxon fundamentalism and mysticism in science art and faith and all of that we have a special surprise for you for this first episode we're going to introduce a couple of new cohosts for the season sites mike and i have been scheming for a long time to try to figure out how to get more voices involved in these discussions and were pretty excited about these cohosts for the season some thinking maybe we could get like a full on radio voice science mike intro here william matthews is known around the world as a singer songwriter and popular recording artist who for the past decade has extensively toward across the globe william is an artist in an activist working on issues of social justice climate it and race you've probably heard william one episodes before like black and white racism in america the other show an enemies which was recorded live in los angeles it's our pleasure to introduce william to you as a host of the literature podcast for season for yes good are his way so william matthews visting dos or whatever you're calling you let us will you let us in to the vaults of william after matthew have the vault what do you want to narrow.

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