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Ep.357  A Razr to a Phone Fight ft. Michael Fisher (Mr. Mobile)

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Ep.357 A Razr to a Phone Fight ft. Michael Fisher (Mr. Mobile)

"Jaded old Geezer whose chomping a cigar and looking for a fight or is it new motor razor really. Just no good terrible very bad thing that hey you get off my lawn because this this is the android police podcasts. It's Friday November fifteenth. Welcome I'm David Rettig. And the reason I pulled my shirt sleeves all the way back act. My broad shoulders is because our special guest a recovering theater and industrial film actor then tech writer podcasts and video producer pocket now today he is the Mr Mobile weighing winging it over nine thousand bounds. It's Michael Fisher. Jewels writes the best intros going. I have to at least two factual assertions to make that fly in the face of those descriptions. But that's fine. Hi Dave that's lovely to there's been this has been a long time coming. I mean granted. I've never I had never formally invited fighted previously but we always talked about doing it. Yeah that's entirely true and weirdly. I just I feel right at home because I listen to you guys all the time as I'm filming anyway. The life of the Youtuber is just pointing a camera things for hours and so I always have a podcast running so lovely to finally. I'll have to miss this episode but my goal is one of our dedicated hated seventeen listeners. And we're glad to have him on today so but we're GONNA talk about. Obviously I mean we all know what the subject matter of most of the show is going to be the. And it's it's gotta be the Moto Razor and I know Michael. I watched your video earlier today about it so I could get near head space a little bit. Get to know the enemy. Thank you for your view and this is something I was thinking about it all this morning. Like what direction do we want to take this conversation. What what's really the important thing to talk about it when it comes to the Motor Razor Zor and I've read a lot of post a lot of hands on? Fortunately we were invited to take a look at it. But you know. There's a lot of discussion around specifications and compromises price and practicalities. And I think that's that's fine stuff so this guy's probably win. The phone comes out and people get a chance to review. I think those are questions that are going to be answered by people living living with the phone and I think those can be set aside for now. I want to go to an imaginary place. Where all of these compromises don't really exist? You know that's not a question of like. Oh the phone's got an old processor or a bad camera or an old version of android. Now this is the things that are all true but let's pretend for a moment that they they aren't they aren't really issues that this phone is basically exactly what you want as far as components you know what's inside it how up to date. It isn't everything but it looks basically the same name. Let's talk about that phone. That razor which does not exist but could probably exist in two years of Motorola really wanted to and that is kind of like the concept. So Michael. What I'd I'd like to hear from you is what do you think is the most compelling thing about this concept what makes it so desirable so what what it is for me? Is this We all really enjoy our big screens right. We don't even have to talk about the galaxy. Fold size screen to talk about wanting a big canvas. This is why the galaxy to note line has been so successful. It's why we have iphones maxes. We like display acreage. Now if you told me three or four years ago that I would eventually be able to take a six point. Two inch display twenty one by nine though it is and when I'm not using it folded in half so that I can put it in my pocket and it will take up a lot. Less space in my pocket can fit it into different pockets sizes in different bag things and protect the display. While I'm at it that buying a dorky screen protector. I am I I would have called you A Dangerous Criminal Madman who should be put away and the fact that we have that in some form now it fills me with almost as much joy as it fills me with with frustration at the people who don't seem to get it so I I hear what you're saying about that and there are some things about it that I think makes absolute sense. I think the biggest one for me that was like you don't need a phone case anymore. Basically which which. I think you know when we go back to win. Cell phones were cell phones. Somebody put a case on their phone. I mean some weird people did but almost nobody was putting the case on Nokia thirty three ten or a blackberry bold or something like that you know everybody e your cell phone was made out of plastic it can be pretty rough and tumble. We weren't concerned about scratching up screens. I I think that is a genuinely appealing thing. I think pocket ability is also something you know definitely does matter. I think that there are some people I think. especially a lot of the the Ladies out there who wear pants with comically small pockets which is constant gripe You know this could be desirable. Form Factor. I agree with you up to that point and then the problem might run into is well. We're going to end up making a lot of practical article compromises to get there in terms of the actual experience with the foam so for one like flipping. Open the phone. I'm long past having wanting to deal with. That is the thing I realize. It's got that kind of cool mechanical action to it. But I've I love the fact that I put my phone instantly on. It's right there at screens right in front of me. I think that's not a huge gripe but it's one that I think we've all kind of gotten used to. That's how that's how phones are. Now they have been for a long time now actually about a decade basically. I think the other thing comes with like you know the whole the whole issue of and there's durability obviously moto his talked about how they're not concerned with their ability. I think they're putting got a pretty good poker face about that. Seems like we'll see how it ends up being in real life. But I think when you just look at the screens. Plastic stuff is going to get in there. It's GONNA get scratched up plastic as a soft material. It's going to scuff. I have zero doubt that these phones will get scratched up now whether or not they're going to get the kind of huge gouges. which is that? We've become used to with modern glasses. Play phones especially because of that stupid single little rivet on all of our pockets of our genes the pocket. Yes the coin pocket rivet has destroyed basically every phone. I have owned. I don't know that people are are probably going are going to you want a phone. That is in a way inherently more fragile than I think the phones we currently have now. Now there's also the flip side of that that well there's no screen to crack anymore. But I would be interested. What motos kind of responses about what happens when you drop it you know? How droppable is the Modo Razor? And I I don't I don't really know the answer to that question and I don't think we will until enough of them get out in the field to your point. I mean obviously we have to wait for the reviews for a lot of real world experience but to me you know I think this display is more protected than than than a lot. You know you made the point that the display is completely encased within the phone. You don't need a case for it because the phone is its own case Same same basically in principle with the galaxy full display but this display is fundamentally different. It seems much much less fragile. They've got this extra coating on top. They have additional steel support beneath it and it is counter sunk slightly beneath the surface of the thing so an look look if Motorola's if Motorola's Poker facing as you suggest which I think you're probably right. They are staffed by some performers with whom I would love to work on stage because I swear every time. I asked about a durability question. Every time I asked about screen flexibility that kind of stuff you know. They were expecting. After almost a year of galaxy fold trials and tribulations from six months. I'm the kind of acted like it wasn't it wasn't even worth talking about. You know I I asked was like Hey The galaxy fold. So did you have to re engineer it. After all those problems came out and effectively I was told. No we just designed it with those factors in mind to begin with. We're we're not worried. We're not We're confident that it will succeed like okay. So so what are the stories that have been making the rounds out of this briefing and you talked about near video. Video is the idea that this phone has been in development for for years. I have to I think I have to call Malarkey on that a little bit. I think that's a nice piece of piece of marketing. Thank Story Moto can tell people. I think it's fairly obvious to anybody who understands Lenovo. History with folding technology. This is a little Novo product. Lenovo has been experimenting commenting with this stuff for a few years now. I don't know if you remember the launch for the original Was the new razors. Actually at the moment yes they went they had this like innovation. Talks thing the Motos EOB and excuse me. It was the Z.. I don't know why said razor but as they they showed off some. I'm sure you you use them some of those little flexible prototypes they had. They're pretty cool They obviously had a lot of the flaws that we have seen some of the more poorly designed foldable. That have come out like the royal oil thing that they created which is God awful that was basically the quality of those Leonova devices that time and that was a few years ago. I think that was three three and a half half years ago. Now it was quite a while maybe two and a half. I don't twenty six from others. E Yeah Yeah so that was. Yeah that's three and a half years ago. Wow so Lenovo has been at this for some time. And I think that's fair to say that that makes this little Novo product. I want to give them credit. They did say like listen to we. We couldn't have built this hinge without going over and talking to the Lenovo Yoga team. And like you I. Yeah I don't know. Please continue so I. I think that one of the whole four year story doesn't ring entirely true to me. Maybe somebody at some point at Moto like had the idea like yes. We're going to use this technology to bring back the razor but it seems like for four years is a long time it means this project got back burner a lot if it really did go back that far orde just took that long to actually get to a point I think they the four year may come from the fact that they were saying. They started learning the lessons on how to build this plastic with droid turbo to which was a twenty fifteen phone. There was that Vezzano's breakable screen Whereas like plastic so I think that might be the source of some of that marketing marketing? Message Yeah definitely I think the other thing. That's the one practical concern that I do have to bring back up is going to be the cost of making these kinds of devices devices. I I think that the price of fifteen hundred dollars is probably be probably cutting fairly close to what can and can't be profitable on a phone. This complex I think Lenovo is created this as a product four verizon. I don't think this phone would exist without verizon I think verizon's probably paying in quite a lot of money to will this device into existence because it's a huge. It's a huge symbol for Verizon as a company certainly we all know this is going to plaster every every single advertisement. They do for the rest of the year until this phone comes out and it's going to raise. Its droid over again right. I mean it's it is the Motorola Verizon monoliths combining into massive advertising push. Yes exactly and these phones. It's a very it's a very complicated. Okay designed from an engineering standpoint. I'm guessing most of them are going to be hand. Built essentially hand assembled at a factory in China. One of Novo's and for that reason I suspect they also won't be that many of them I think this is probably going to be a fairly limited production run. I'm sure that Lenovo could build more demand. Really outstrip supply but I suspect affect the supply is going to be fairly small for a product like this. It's just so expensive so I don't think is going to have that massive customer base coming in and and and this gets to a question that I kind of wanted to ask you do this phone to me is like a good analog for like the basically the original original folding phones were it's kind of the analog to question of like g get a sedan or do you get a sports car and sports car is sleeker. It's more expensive. It's a little less practical but it's flashy it's cool. The sedan is deep. Is deeply practical thing. It's well established. You know what you're getting. You know it's pretty. It's affordable notable. There are a lot of options and choices you have in that market whereas in sports car market you have fewer choices more compromises and more cost. Do you think we're going into a place where we're going to have these. Basically I would call them sports car phones where they're a lot more expensive they offer some nebulous benefits. They look really cool doing it and they are using technology is here for a little untested a little cutting edge that may have compromises. Do you think there's a big enough group of people who want that. Now now I think as long as there are new technologies new capabilities. New Implementations of fun immagination there will always be aspirational products like this. Yes I think in. This is more important as A. I think it's important to remember that. This folding technology as you say has had such a long time it has been so expensive to dream up. It's taken so long. It's taken a lot of paint that these initial even the next three or four folding holdings display or flexible display smartphones. are going to be insanely expensive. But I happen to think that as those prices come down which would inevitably will and as the benefits of a malleable display. Continue to be become evident in more and more people buy into it and say how than this this will become a common thing. We the this idea that will carry around these rigid rectangles. That can't do anything that have to be studt locked in this dumb body league will seem as antiquated as you know. The STARTAC does today But I do think that there will be. There will be sports cars of short. I don't nothing that's what this is. I don't think this is a one off and then onto the next big thing. I do think this is a do think. This is a glimpse of the future. That's interesting so that is that is a the viewpoint that I happen to personally disagree with I think that smartphones have had their big moments. And this is what I go back to. You know what's what's look at the kind of the inflection point for modern smartphones and that really it was the iphone you know. The iphone isn't smartphone genesis. But it is. It's not like you know it's we're not going back on Human Evolutionary scale to like walking upright. It's like discovering fire. Let's let's put it a little farther forward. You know it was a moment that really was a catalyst list for the whole industry and really sparked it at their obviously some really smartphones that. I'm sure you loved before the iphone was really. Yeah exactly and in the end so the iphone though really was the transformative moment. I read about this in an article earlier this week. The moment where suddenly all of these geeky things that were used to just incredibly Geeky or you were a high-powered business person or lawyer and you need a blackberry because legitimately like you could do email from your phone. Not Very concept was very futuristic. Like in the early odds even but the iphone took it and said all right. We're going to you make your phone your camera your personal communicator. Your access portal to the Internet which had obviously more than taken off at that point. And we're going into also make it the first thing you carry around anyway because it's a fun and that was the point at which everything changed for everybody. I think you know smartphone. Adoption was so crazy. Roese rapid like it went from time of span of like three or four years to from almost nobody having smartphone to basically everybody having a smartphone and that was a tectonic shift in the way we relate to personal technology like I would say. The smartphone was on par with the mass produced automobile. It was a huge moment for like the whole world. Like it's connected so many more people. I think that the problem I be stick I get with foldable is. The engineering is so complicated. The materials are very exotic. I'm not sure that I see a future. In which those those kinds of devices can be commoditised to a point where they're really democratized in terms of like cost inaccessibility for most people. I think that's a tough. I think it seems like a tough thing to hurdle over. When we've already got this rectangle that spans the gamut of price points all the way down like fifty dollars all the way up to like fifteen fifteen hundred now depending on the phone and it's proven establish people seem to like it? Do we really think that people are going to go for this. When I think the benefits seem fairly nebulous for most people I think the I know they are and they're difficult to describe and certainly if I were sitting there air You know in the seats of most of the folks who have not used a foldable I would I would be raising the same concerns than they should be raised in your your hundred the from a practical standpoint but I think that I I just hear what everyone has always said about. Every new wave of innovation is just well electric. That's never going to become practical because well okay. We'll now we have that right. And we have a smartphone in the first place Funds it lasts all day phones with Cameras on phones. That are good enough to replace a point and shoots never going to happen the optics the physics you. You just can't do it. There's there's it's quite easy to look at a problem and say this is never going to be solved satisfactorily. Or there's not gonNA be enough demand for the reality I think is that the demand arises most organically when people you see what their early adopter friends happens like. Oh well what does that seems. Kind of funky weird in way too expensive but I kinda like it. I want to try it and then a couple generations nations down the road again when the cost comes down and you can try it yourself like Oh yeah turns out. It's really handy to have a galaxy. Fold your apartment hunting as I as I did or maybe to have the motor razor when you you know you're trying to stick your phone in that side pocket on your sleeve and it never works with anything else. And there's the beauty of foldable. Says they can be if they can take so many different forms their ways that they are going to be convenient that we haven't even thought of yet And with regard to the iphone analogy. It's a great point but we shouldn't forget that the iphone really didn't explode until the second one that first generation iphone with two G no. GPS AND NO APP store. It was certainly it transformative or had the potential to be transformative but everyone on Howard forums dot com was like do you know holding their nose all but all but throwing it out the door because it wasn't a real smartphone. This isn't the future you know. I think we've really shouldn't be so quick to dismiss miss something. We don't understand fully yet and foldable are fully not understood yet. That's true. I think another angle to approach I. This is looking at the future where there are a lot of companies out there including apparently apple who think the phone itself is just eventually going by the wayside and that seems to be apples. Play right now. Novel does not seem to have much of an interest in all of the exotic materials in kind of bending the form factor. That doesn't seem to be something that's very much on their radar whereas now the I believe it was the information with the Wall Street Journal the posted about an internal meeting at apple with one hundred and fifty something employees. Basically saying. We're aiming to release a a are set In twenty twenty two twenty twenty three always that far out okay. I thought yes. So it's your okay. It's either have been some analysts reports and those have been thoroughly debunked apple's internal roadmap is quite different apparently from what people suspected and you also have companies he's like you have companies like qualcomm Intel and Microsoft all pushing more toward this idea of an extended reality mattering much more than messing sing with mucking around with the form factor too much the form factor seems more of a means to an end for some of these companies granted. Microsoft seems to have feet in both pools. But but I think when you look at a company like like Intel for example. You know what they've tried to do with X. are and then Microsoft Hololens. You see something that is as I think. Much more of a transformative leap than a foldable foam which is really taking something we already have and just mixing it up a different way. I agree so do you think we're going to get to I mean are foldable is going to be accessible soon enough. These other technologies aren't just going to essentially leapfrog them and make the whole question kind of like well well we. We didn't really need that. Anyway right I think it depends on how long it will take. Obviously a are to become a thing if it will and if you're talking twenty twenty twenty-three on those rumors two hundred twenty two. That's not too far off No so it made. It may end up being that foldable and UNFURL ables twist ables. And whatever the WE'RE GONNA get in the smartphone space are indeed just a stopgap until the next huge thing but I will say that if that ends up being the case I will be quite sad I mean I think growing up at a time when growing up obsessed with with the starfleet communicator. Let's be honest this Pocketing devices have a heaven appeal. That I think wearables do not. I have enjoyed my time with focal focus by north. I've enjoyed putting on the Halloween. All these things are going to be really cool but just something awesome about about at the box in your pocket and I will miss them when they go. Fortunately I don't think they're gonNA be. That's GonNa be happening tomorrow now. I don't think so either. I think it's going to be quite quite quite some time. I think the whole my personal view on the A. R. Xsara etc.. kind of thing is really. I think that's going to be a big deal for enterprise businesses in the near in the near future. I think for people. It's going to be way too weird for quite a while. Hopefully so I I want to ask that. Just kind of his devil's advocate question I'm I'm I'm pretty much with you. That smartphones are gonNA stick around there so personal to us very much. And that's why as I was reading your piece on why you know foldable. are this kind of necessary. Evil Evil Flash on the pen for some of us because smartphones are boring now and You equated the iphone to a an automatic automatic transmission sedan. Oh yeah yeah that it was a different piece. I've been reading all your pieces. David Big Fan and I forgot where I was going with but I will pivot instead to the point that I had in the buffer which which was yes vulnerables. They don't have to be stuck on phones. You know we can talk about laptops Lenovo is going to do with that. Whatever they're calling? It doesn't even have a name. There are folding screen windows laptop and You know all of the products like it in these westworld type tablets sort of blending things like there's it's a whole different category. It's different use case. It can be more things than the restrictive current ones and I remember saying your Your point about smartphones. My trumping very personal to us is entirely true. That's why I think that people care about them a little more than shoes Not every not you enthusiasts certainly but most people you know they do all their business on these phones do all their personal items very intimate sometimes with their phones there. There are most personal products. And you know I. I think they're going to be around for a while. I think so I I still do think that the fact remains that the smartphone really is just a portal to everything in that and that plays to the commodity aspect where the phone is a window. It's not it's for most people. It really just is that they're people like us who are much more concerned with everything surrounding rounding the window. We've gotTA gotTa have the right frame. You know the accident nice smooth opening action but You know there are people who really get hung up on these things. Obviously but I do question whether or not for most people you know these form factor alterations you know you talked about how you know there are people out there like us who you know. Try New Technology people like what's that what's that what's what's you know. Of course you get asked this all the time and sure some people will make decisions on that basis but I think with the smartphone. I'm going to go back to see. I think we have something like a bit of a car analogy where the vast majority of people are actually three pretty okay with the basic box. They aren't really fascinated by its conveyance. It's just it is the means to an end and I think that has played you know as best you know described through apple's popularity in the United States where I use an iphone and I'm about to tear my hair out within twenty four hours because it's just there are so many things from it's like how do you live and but at the same time like the majority of Americans who own smartphones or perfectly fine with it and I know tons of people who use use iphones or very smart highly productive on the go and they don't care about limitations or the things apple does I mean we obviously both know people who are only on Ios. And they're totally totally fine with that. They don't mind right so I think that kind of gets into well. How important are these changes in found? How much were people willing to pay to use these more exotic form factors and are they willing to pay more at all especially and I think there are a lot of people just aren't all right right and not not at this point certainly and I don't think anybody and certainly no normal person I know and normal I mean not you or I should go out and spend one thousand nine hundred eighty dollars a fold or fifteen eight hundred dollars on the razor? I don't think anyone saying that but I can't help but remember when the first razor came out in two thousand four and it was absurdly expensive at five ninety nine and you didn't even get a discount with a two year contract which was unheard of end e. Everyone everyone was like this is I have to have it but I can't. This is absurd. I'm never going to spend that much money on phone and a lot of people didn't but what happened was the razor proved so iconic and so a alluring the Motorola made tens of variance at all. The price points ended up not being very good business decision but the point is you would within three years be able to go into a seven eleven and for like eighty bucks instead of six hundred by phone. That looked an awful lot. Like a razor on the page ago plan. Like you couldn't get away from it. I I really think that in and in ten years that if a are hasn't completely taken over by then it's GonNa be tough to find display on a on a pocket device. That's not flexible flexible. I really think it's going to be that interesting in ten years that that is quite a while in ten years. It's hard to predict what's going to happen over the form of technology but I mean it's it certainly. This is definitely. I will say the most practical folding device we've seen so far personally galaxy fold I I would never ever want to own one and I always made X.. Design is just. It's going to get so scratched up so fast I could never live with that. You agree with you on the Matrix. I I like the coldest very different use case but I agree with you on the medics. Yeah I think the full has almost zero appeal to any kind of normal person even if it would cost the same as regular Away I cannot cannot agree. Are you saying it's a yeah I I think it's just far too compromised but I think this one you know those two phones I would say like are very much of I would say like the Star Trek of folding phones. No the motor razor feels much more like the blade runner it is a a it is a slightly more like it feels a little more real. It's still fantastic. It's still the future but it doesn't feel like you know something somebody but he drew up as a sketch on the back of a notebook one day and like this is what we're going to be using to you know a hundred years from now it feels more like it's a take on technology. We already have. It feels feels very familiar. Like looking at the photos of you. Do get that sense that like this is something we know. Yes Oh and holding it. I mean you get that sense. And that's part of the reason I think so. Many of us us are enamored of it and I want to say look I you know. I think we're making some good logical arguments here but I am not gonNA pretend like I'm not honeymooning real hardcore on this thing because it is the ultimate combination of things that appeal to me. It is super futuristic tech bleeding edge tech tech that so so on the edge that cheer point it might not work well but it is encased in a shell that recalls fifteen years ago and the very best fifteen years of a conic industrial design in a nascent category that made millions of people care about phones for the first time that combination is something only Motorola could do because Motorola's as one of the companies. It's been in the position it's been for as long and it's just it's an everybody. Nobody loves a redemption story to write. The last time I was interested in a Motorola product really interested was to two thousand sixteen. I mean it's overdue. It's it it's it's a seductive and I just can't wait to buy one with with all kinds of money. Spending I sound far too curmudgeon. I do think it's very cool. I think as a piece of engineering what Motorola did is very inland. ovo is very impressive. Like the whole way the screen screen slightly slides under when you pull it. That's that's like legitimately like that's really clever like that's a good way to avoid the pivoting issue like they've really clearly. I thought about this a lot when I look at like how the phones laid out and like all the dead screen space at the top and the bottom. I physically itch but I still think it's a cool phone i. I don't know if I'd want one but I think that you know what I'm starting the kind of direction I'm going with Foale's at this point is sure. I think they're going to to be a thing. I think that what we're going to have though. Is The smartphone market street saturation. Like shipments are slowly but surely dwindling people aren't upgrading. Rating is often. People are able to keep their phones longer. Actually that's one of the biggest changes apple has been the company that enabled that more than any other and of course other companies are slowly but surely starting to follow suit. Google supporting its phone longer. Basically everybody's got an accident damage protection plan for their phones. Now where you can get your screen replace. Everybody is starting to get onto the long term support game to varying degrees. I mean apple is doing it best battery replacements screen replacements Spencer Easy to get you walk into the store. You walk out if you hours later in. It's done you know. They really have made it. Very seamless and I think that you know gets to an issue issue that is really separate of the razor but about smartphones in general which you know to me one of the more interesting things is how companies are really changing like Apple. I this is specifically about apple quite honestly how apple has really changed the customer experience for smartphones versus what we expected affected six or even six or seven years ago where you know. A lot of people are still walking around today with iphone. Successes iphone sevens. You know that our four five years old. They're still using using them. They got the battery replaced under Battery Warranty Program or whatever or they just went and got it done anyway and the phones are still good. They're still useful apple still supporting them for the most part. I think that that to me is one of the most interesting like directions. smartphones as a class of products are going. They're turning turning into durable goods. They're turning things. We expect to get along life out of versus something you know. We're turning on an upgrade cycle. People aren't really getting rid of them until they basically don't work work anymore. I mean you know we you know every time you get on the subway. I'm sure you see a million cracks greats like oh it's horrified so pervasive that you watch the expanse and and like the. The main character has a futuristic crazy. Awesome phone that's transparent but it also has has a crack in it because this is how you identifies a human. It's a a real world capture. You're not a real human if your phone doesn't Cracking it yeah so I think that you know looking at how long people keeping phones how they're becoming much touch more like it's just not. I think the more interesting questions to answer around phones are how do we make this product lasts longer. How do we make consumers like because for me the the question of value comes up all the time as a product reviewer like how do I recommend a product on a value basis and unfortunately like it's remain in true as long as I've been reviewing phones that actually one of the cheapest phones you can buy over time ends up being an iphone because you don't need to replace it? It is often. It sells for far more money if you want to reset apples. Trade in program values them pretty reasonably and the support is unmatched. So you can keep it in service longer. Anger if you really care about maximizing your phone dollar actually apple is the best company in the world to buy a phone from most people. Don't think about the way like. Oh the iphone so expensive and it's like well well. No if you do the economics in terms of how long Hebrew balance on your phone how easy it is to repair than actually apple is by far the best. Bang for your buck not to mention availability. The of easy access retail locations for most people who live near population centers which nobody else can come close to no no definitely not and I think that's something that we've seen in the other side of the fence android you know. Every company being android phones almost completely fail to respond to in a meaningful way yeah even processes asses from what I understand pretty inconsistent if you oh yeah on the chat rep Sir Terrible. They'll lie to you. They'll tell you that just blatantly untrue about the warranty and stuff like it's awful so I think that you know foldable are cool. I think that they're going to be a big. You know a part of the future of phones phones but I think that you know it's I if I'm going to hold feet the fire over found if I'm GonNa really hold a torch for people and say this is. This is the biggest and most important the issue to tackle about smartphone when it comes to smartphones form factor to me is like so far down the list at this point I want companies to be more accountable for for how they support their products for how long people can use them. How how long they remained? Good phones shouldn't have to be something. We have to upgrade every two years. That's kind of silly like if you you were to say that about a laptop like you know obviously working in your industry. That's a little different. That's that is a that is professional grade tool. It's a different sort of thing but if here to say that about a laptop your regular person most people keep the laptop six seven years. Probably sure yeah and I remember distinctly the first time I ever spent real money on technology. Technology was in a laptop in college needed laptop so badly mine was tragic and I had to spend an inordinate amount of money but it lasted me for. I think five ears and to me at the time in two thousand six to two thousand eleven. That was More time than I expected to get out of used after upgrade a lot more often but that is maturing segment as well to your point I will say that Let's say two things first of all I've inherited the annoying tendency of podcast hosted. I listen to a regular to preface everything with to your point and I apologize. It's very frustrating. I hate that I've done it Secondly I think you said something earlier that I will will be a little pedantic about you said that the durability slash longevity question and support question about phones is the more interesting one and I think the unfortunate truth of it is. It's not and I love that you are going to increase visibility on that. And you're gonNA make that a pillar of your coverage because honestly it's not as interesting. It's not as easy for someone like us to get the eyeballs. We need to make this this To to to keep money coming in the door because really what are you what are what does the people that are. What are the People WanNa see new phones? They WANNA see. Hot Phones owns Laptops new ideas strange futuristic concepts. you run a piece video about. Here's how to get the most out of your phone for the next four years. It has much more useful content. It may be more evergreen but it doesn't have that flash in the PAN Kind of allure that a new device does and that's part of the problem. That's why we have a massive e waste problem. That's why we have people getting frustrated at their phones in their laptops. Whatever not lasting long enough so I I hope that you can make it interesting David? Oh to be clear I completely agree with you. It is not interesting from an audience standpoint. It is like total snooze fast completely agree. I'm an interesting intellectually. Yes no you're absolutely right but but I mean my point you know we. I hope that we can find a way to make it more interesting and to to make priority and also find a way to do that while keeping our numbers healthy frankly because these are important consideration. Yeah I just think it's one of those things that we've we've you know. As phones have gotten they become mature we were watching a consumer market product market. That has become mature at this point. I think that's safe to say about. The form. Factor has stabilized. You know we're having these evolutions that are happening now. The function has stabilized. Phones are not doing anything radically different than they were doing. Five years ago. You know. I don't think that's GonNa change either. I've I think that phones have largely fulfilled their function in our day-to-day lives at this point. Nothing really radicals going to happen in terms of the way we use them. I think wearables may eventually start to play a bigger role in our lives and there could be a lot more that can happen there. I think plenty of room to evolve there. Yes yeah exactly. So I think that's probably where for most regular consumers are going to see more of the evolution and I think that could come in with you know fun stuff with folding too. I think you know I'm sure apple whole probably is interested in that kind of technology when it comes to the watch I think that probably old sub appeal to them. So I think you know for me when I look like like the part of the market. That's really ripe. For Innovation and where companies probably should be funneling money in terms of like trying out radical things. I yeah definitely look at wearables. is the area where experimentation is probably eventually going to be rewarded for somebody. Apple seems to have succeeded so far but I. I think there's definitely there's obviously room for more players there. Unfortunately the most of the players kind of suck. Yeah I was going to say. Well I mean don't forget pebble. I mean vector actor Fitbit. I mean you know never mind yes it is the the wearables graveyard is is goes deep Their their body six twelve and they're all owned by Google. which is crazy I really want? I really can't wait for where of where West to get good because I've been wearing a bunch of fossil watchers for the past couple couple of weeks and they're all great hardware wise and they all run where os so they're great after a point but getting to. That point really sucks. Yup and it's yeah. Yeah I've been wearing the Apple Watch for the last like two months and that's just completely changed my view. I don't even touch those things anymore. It's it's a very sad state of affairs but we should probably move on a little bit. Here I'm going to feel quick plug for us if you're watching this on twitch thank you But if you subscribe to our podcast on twitch and your Amazon prime subscriber you can help support the show financially that's twitch dot TV slash android. Police we love doing the podcast Ron. 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Thanks so As we move into our if the show I'd like to talk a little bit shift gears and you know Michael Talk to you a little bit about you. Know Your your history in terms of yeah. I don't think I've ever actually really heard your story of how you got into doing what you do. And obviously you know. I'm sure a lot of leap. So where would you. Where would you say? Say The point was when you realized I want to make talking about or discussing or thinking about technology. Kind of Mike Mike Vocation my God man. I mean just So long ago so I used to. Most people know was an actor. I industrial I did more than on industrial films jewels By the way I forgot how your intro but actor but then when I would come home from shows and or rehearsals or whatever whatever I would unwind by reading Howard forums and in Gadget and All these all these sites that were around back then many which are still are today and because I was a gadget narrative I have always been one And you know twenty eleven cameron and it was one of those years where it was just a cataclysmic collapse. I think I lost like a bunch your family members to death and then my girlfriend and I broke up and I lost. My job is like everything fell apart and I I don't remember exactly when I saw it but I started applying to sites like Gizmodo and other sides in a site called pocket. Now is hiring. And they're the under return the call so I came aboard turns out I could write a writer anyway. and people didn't immediately hate everything I had to say about tablets which is what I was covering at the time and it kind of grew from there. It's a much longer story after that. But that's how I got started. I think fell apart and then I switch things around I I do remember reading. Michael Fisher reviews on pocket now. That was quite a while ago. It seems like forever forever ago now like it really does but but at the same time I remember being just I mean. He used to make jokes before that point about about like what what. What do you want to do? Well I WANNA be a tech blogger. But it's Kinda like when you're in third grade and you're you say like well. I want to review video games for you know it's like it's this dream the thing that you know I'll at nobody's going to care what I have to say. Who Am? I just some some nerd. I'm crazy it's it's amazing to me that ended that it happened happened so cool I mean I think most of us in this business are still kind of kind of gobsmacked about how we got where we are. Frankly I don't really know either. I want to hear your story. I realize I have you a very interesting one. I was working part time job at the end of my my last year of college and that job did did not give me a lot of work to do I was doing. It for police and fire department and At the at the university and I have a lot of spare time sitting at my desk I decided by I was infatuated with that phone. And so I love the idea of Google phone like that was to me like I want that. I was big into people's products. I was much more of a Google fan boy than I am now back then and I remember when the first big big for it came out it was fro. Yo I believe and I was like I need that now and I found a website called android police dot com that had the link to the OTA download and they had a little blurb on the side of the website right and it said. Do you WanNa come right for Andrew. We're looking for people and This was when artem was still riding all of the posts basically and two thousand two thousand nine and ten into nine. Yeah Yeah and excuse me doesn't ten. This is two thousand ten obviously. I'm getting my dates mixed up here and I reached out and two months I think about maybe about a month later. I wrote my first post which was about an AP K.. For one of the keyboards from the droid too and artem rewrote about eighty eighty percent of it. And and from there it just kind of all went Downer uphill depending on your perspective. So if you're a reader maybe downhill but for me. It definitely went uphill and that really just really went from there but crazy such a conventional story when you when we treat help I like it was a transformative moment. You change your entire life totally you know I wasn't I was never a see we. We come from the opposite spectrum. I never cared that much about gadgets. Actually Ali I was not a gadget. Kid I liked technology video games. But I liked being technologies participatory thing I liked technology means to an end I was like I wanted. I wanted the faster computer because I could play the newer games that was to me. I I only became interested in those things because of You know like I I knew I needed a better graphics card to play his game so I had to learn about graphics cards in order to you know now understand what I needed right. It was a practical approach. It's that's a really interesting point that you bring up because I have trouble pinning down when I became a cell phone. Obsessed assessed freakazoids and it was. I know it happened between two devices between the second and third smartphone when I went from. LG Dense Ramblin. Denso used to make white label phones funds. Oh God no it was they did and it was this tiny little. It was a very small flip phone. It was notable because it was small. That's why it was novel smaller smaller than anything else. And then there was the summer of men in black two was in theaters and they had sprint co partnership agreement and the Samsung Eight four sixty with blue. Led's couldn't and believe it and boy we're living in the future. Now we got blue keypads. I have to have that and that's when I started just spending Teen dollars didn't have on phones every year. Oh wow see I I was never never that into it but so throughout your your own history. What was the what was the phone you bought and you realized this smartphones like this? This is when it's going to blow up like I can see words. Were not far now like where you finally looked at it and said I think everybody's GonNa have one of these. I like however many years I would hate to I. I'm sure there's a better answer than this but I I think. It was the first one in two thousand four to the allied allies at Blackberry and I worked at Nextel at the time so I got one for less money than it would. Otherwise been but I remember fielding emails from my hip and my agent at the time I acting agent was trying to book me for a Gig and she said well I'll get in touch with. I'll call you later like I can't take calls. I'm busy but just email me. And and she said something like what will you will you be able to get online will be able to have a computer like own hundred. I don't know I I have a blocker and that exchange change. I think I immediately seared itself into my memory. Oh Oh this is what it's going to be. We're all GonNa do this soon and it turned out to be way sooner than I thought because within two years blackberries ninety nine bucks on contract and everybody idea remember that I was. I was in high school at the time. Blackberries really took off fright before the iphone and that was when I remember like every kid whose parents had money had bought them a blackberry and then there were the few kids who were unfortunately urgently saddled with T. Mobile. who had site kicks and sidekicks? Were the business. They were the best. Go ahead go. It's like you grew on the worst network imaginable. But you had the coolest possible phone. Oh Dude I remember seeing those things absolutely yes. I was so enamored of them and I was so frustrated that you couldn't get one on the network at when I quit sprint Nextel I immediately. I literally walked across the hall in the Mall to the T. mobile store and bought a sidekick three and that's what I carried and paid something like twenty dollars for an APP that would let me change my led notification color. Oh my God these these are these put. These are the stories I like. You know I love going back to the old technology and talking about people's experiences with so what. What was your first computer? I think that's always refund one. It is fun when my first computer was commodore. Sixty four movement yes It was a handout from a friend of the family and set it up. We got a box full of floppy discs with it as well and I didn't teach myself basic but I taught myself enough to run to run whatever was on those floppy disks. I think commodore is perfect. Perfect because commodore is definitely would be kind of the root of rooting for the underdog. That must really get get down deep to the causes causes of your love for the unloved technology of the world whereas I was I was a kid. And so you know I had a Tandy one thousand it's handy yes with the was the the Tandys were they the trs branded ones was yes the trash eighty and and yes the Tandy one thousand which was also sold as a radio shack model And I learned to play a few text based Games on it had wheel of fortune on a five and a half floppy and I just remember the I. Don't you get about our the noises that computers is used to make I love Lucy. Oh the different fant. Several fans the sound of a hard drives spinning. I remember the first time being so perplexed we we upgraded to a Compaq Presario. Sorry Oh that's when I got my dos and windows on and just the sound of a spinning three platter maxtor. Three hundred megabyte drive was just. I've never heard anything like that before. It sounded like sand getting caught in some gears. Very very weird. Yeah so I think that. Let's let's our. I had a segue here and I've completely lost myself. Started talking about presario probably though I don't know how much time you have so we should probably probably start getting to some of our questions. Some of these are gonNA are gonNA probably roll back a little bit to the Moto conversation Our our first question comes from crunchies. I assume that he was talking about the Motorola here High price of notaries razor. Be More of a way to limit sales rather than just recoup costs right right. How much more they losing on selling a couple thousand even half the current price jewels actually pointed out a little earlier? That Wall Street Journal Article Said Lenovo had a plan. Run of of two hundred thousand of these which is actually pretty small for smartphone. I mean how many is is apple. Sauna Miller year. One hundred million Right yeah and this is a lot more than I thought it would weren't people talking around like volumes for like five thousand for the fold initially or something like that. It was initially for the initial run but two hundred thousand for a global launch is relatively few smartphones So I I think that Yes yes. I think the price probably is a little bit of that. They're probably playing it such that. Its price in a way where you know. It's not Louis Nova won't end up in a situation where tons of people trying to buy the phone and can't which I think would be very bad. Pr For something like this or the the best pr who sell out. That's that's wonderful. We can't keep them and it's like the oldest trick in the book we can't keep them in sock. Maybe I don't know I I I don't know I mean honestly I don't I don't have a good answer for this question. Next question is from Sudan and Thank you for subscribing these. Do you think the Pixel phone line is sustainable with current trend of largely disappointment in terms of competitive hardware and high pricing especially now that other competitors bettors have pretty much closed the CAP. I don't believe I agree with that last part but Mike what are your thoughts on the new Pixel. I don't know if I wash review and I don. I don't know that I've seen you talk about a much You will not get much new from my take on the Pixel Four. It's it's essentially the same as every everyone else. I think the Pixel for has enjoyed a little bit of a bounceback recently because as you have that kind of resistance to the inertia of everyone says it socks and then you have some folks who decided to get to get loud and say. Hey look this has timberlake cool exclusive features that you can only get on a pixel and Blah Blah Blah and. That's a great point and I still carry a picture for every day but every day. I'm also frustrated anew by the oversights or strange frustrating decisions that were made. I don't think it's justifiable at its price point at all in even Discounted there are so many things that annoy me. I I just I am. It's not my favorite song. I really you know. I think everybody's seen me on on twitter this point rage against the Pixel four but I really think Google dropped the ball this year especially hard. I was having a conversation about about this with somebody Recently and they ask you know. Do you think I think it was. It was somebody who working for Qualcomm so I won't name them but he's like do you think heads are really going to roll all it Google if this This phone doesn't work out And I kind of think so. I think they've I think they've had three years to figure this out. And after after last year there was clear. Disappointment from management that the Pixel three didn't sell very well. I think they were pretty unhappy about that. And I forgotten that it's never struck me as the place kind of place though the pixel team inside Google where accountability ration- where accountability matters so So unconventional you're right though we we know we know how Google is. Google certainly is a particular way we all. We all know that about Google working in sensory which I don't I don't think probably people who are observers. Don't really understand that about Google much but when you meet somebody from Google you know they work for Google immediately when you meet whereas when you meet somebody who works apple you don't know they were for apple because they will never tell you but but Google I don't know I think at a certain impose. Accountability does come into play. And I look at what they did this year and the only positive review that I can really remember reading that was truly Ed. Mostly glowing was dealers and I think dealer like me has a particular love for Google's approach to the Pixel and like all stuff. If it's doing with computational photography I listen to. What's his name whose name I'm forgetting Lead of the Astro Photography Market Mark Levin yes Mark Levin Levin. Yes mark is a guy I would listen to his ted talk for like four hours man. He's so captivating and I love what they're doing there I think it's legitimately amazing like seth they done with nightside with Astra photography Like they've got. Apparently I was talking to somebody yesterday about this. There is a sensor on the back of the the Pixel for a hyper spectral imaging center. Nobody's ever yes. Fritz for its anti they call it anti flicker but it's more likely that it's it's also being used for other things that we don't yet fully no. Google apparently is like totally refuse to talk about this for the most part. They just won't tell anybody what it's really four four if flick apparently is part of it. But there's more to the sensor can see outside of the radio spectrum that we can so it can gather some data data that Probably would be pretty interesting. in terms of computational photography so Google Google has some real tricks up sleep with imaging and I think the Pixel for puts them on demo so well the super resume is legitimate. Like I don't get me wrong. I love the P thirty pros like you know. Like like periscope zoom. I think that's like super awesome to have yes. It is but our the pixel xl eighty percent of the way there with a two x zoom. I it's like man. Here's the thing. It is a technological achievement. That's wonderful I get it but I'm so annoyed whenever you bring up the camera on Pixel for it's like okay but you're right but then I remember those Eiffel Tower Pictures I took with the P thirty pro and if you're going to use included telephoto camera in there then why not give it that. That real eye-popping capability and and while we're talking about things you should have put in there when we do the ultra-wide I know you're less of a fan of telephoto but the point is you shouldn't have to choose say pixel phone eat. It should all be in there. You're you're totally Italy right about that. And I think I think that Google has really suffered for frankly not embracing the kitchen sink. Approach that apple and Samsung are now using a lot. A lot of this stuff where it's like you know what that's just what you put in a phone now because if you want to be competitive. That's that's what you've gotta do. And you know as a as an advocate for mobility ability by the way I have to hope you think it's pretty insulting the size of the battery schools putting in these phones the size of the battery the fact that just today standing in this kitchen over here I had had my phone. Tell me hey watch out. You're running out of storage space because it's a sixty four GIG and I'm like I'm back Guca photos. Well cool and then I wanNA share it. which is what I was doing doing? And you have to wait for two downloaded from from photos again. Because you've clearly like it it is. It is an infuriating mix of awesome and hilariously bad and and I don't get that I don't get how that phone made it. Yeah I just you know like last year I could still mostly recommend the pixels to people I was like the three. Xl Y- you. You know like people got all upset about the five head on the front of it but it's like you know whatever. Mary ugly ugly ugly. Not you've ever seen it is a little tragic but that was like such a like whatever thing for me. I just didn't care and I was like Nah. It's probably the best one you can buy. I've just started telling people to buy the one plus seventy. I'm just like you know what that's probably your best investment. Stay away from the pixels this year. I think it's a bad idea. Well but but like I said someone reminded me recently in the same breath. You've gotTa admit and I think you feel the same way about the desire to the Pixel three a most disruptive best phone I've seen in in a very very longtime absolutely if I was recommending phone for like especially somebody who just does not care about phones at all. I'd be like if you don't if you don't want to spend any money and and you just want to have a camera in your pocket does texting and calls like go by the Pixel three and I'm sure that's what's going to happen with the four next year to we're just GONNA make a whore even harder or to recognize how it's GonNa it's GonNa Finish off the four completely. I wonder if they'll do. was there any truth that the three I was created because They had additional components on hand because reduced sell through of the three. I did not hear that rumor. I heard a rumor. I don't mean to spread an unsubstantiated room. Sorry but I just I heard it and I wondered if you'd heard it too. I have not hurt that rumor I would I would. I don't know about that. I mean the cameras are the same but ended. How much else is really similar between them? I do Google said you know the three. It was not a one off there continued program. They said that good yeah. They said that at the time this wasn't a one time deal. Granted any company can change. Its mind mind and just totally right the record but you know that's what they said Let's switch gears here a little bit question And I think this was a good one for Michael Answer. Not We moved on the folder. Bowls is the pipe dream of modular phones. No longer relevant. Oh Gosh Yeah I think I think they're they're dead. What a shame to to see? Because I think David you kind of been been very practical and pragmatic about those from the start right. I mean that's I think a you used to quote each other. I used to say that same thing you said which is a great phone. If you WANNA carry around a fanny pack or a backpack with Maude Senate right fight in which with the real tragedy is sitting. I'm house sitting right now in my stepfather. WHO's not here has carried a motive for the past three years and has just broke two weeks ago and I was like well can lend you a device? I can't give it to you to have an extra thing is like I don't want it doesn't have the MODS I don't want it because he's obsessed and and all those e owners if you had the mud's they made sense but it didn't scale and you had to buy them and they were too expensive and they're just I think it's done and the camera one was very very sorry ferry bad. How bad that thing was man? If my name every gets big enough that it's like respected and license on products remind me never licensed my name to a product as terrible as that was from an imaging perspectives. Zuma's great but the imaging was terrible. Oh it was so bad. I can't believe Hasselblad signed off on that. That was the tragedy. Yeah Yeah I have to agree that the modular ideas proven like is cool as it was Magaji perspective. I understand stand like why people were excited about it. I don't think that's ever going to happen again. I think companies have we've played through the iterations of that there were possible The blocks phone that it didn't work out you know and then with motos e. We saw pretty quickly that moto got boxed into a design language because the modules you know system they adopted and I I think the other thing is just like when those phones become outdated. You weren't just having a phone that's lost all of its value. All the accessories have lost their value to your basically doubling knowing your investment for something that you're not gaining any longevity out of it from these mods so yeah an crucial thing to remember though like let's not forget that lesson 'cause they win that first Mosey came out and they've slapped on a MoD and the thing was playing song and immediately started coming out of that jail speaker like I did that in the real world. It was as cool it worked. Really well the the wireless charging mods the what was the other one that I really liked. Not The camera. The Motorola Excuse me the polaroid printer that God yes And the battery packs. Of course it all makes sense on paper that should have worked. And I think it's just proof that you can't just be cool The the the MEDIATEK. CEO said something great on stage the other day he said one of the most important lessons he'd ever learned was. You can't just do things right. You have to do the right things right doing doing the wrong things right. It is not useful Mike Wow that I'm gonNA remember that that is that is some Zen wisdom. They're in the on the some slightly superfluous questions top to hit the little brass top to haircuts in tech. Oh Oh I'm honored your rocks today. fluffing it up. Oh thank you crunchy got goodness. You have five fingers that now dispense one condom. In each there are only condiments these the only condiments to get for the rest of your life. which five do you choose SIS? My favorite question of all time. Do you WANNA go first the go ahead. I got to think about it curry ketchup brown mustard ranch. Where I'm Something I just learned about Mayo. That's been infused with Tim Gene I recently had that on the Queen. Mary and it was delicious. Thank you Jesse Ortiz. Telling me what to gene was was and then Did I say yellow mustard brown mustard brown. The yellow mustard. I like Mr Idea. You like mustard as well. I would definitely I'd have to go. Grey poupon gotta have a Dijon ranch dressing is it is my shame but how can you not like by the way it has to be the powder mixed kind that you put into sour cream because that is the best kind objectively bottled ranch dressing not so much You GotTa have that Pizza Pizzeria style. Ranch that's nice and watery. An extra salty completely. Agree if he can get it from chanels pizza in Norfolk Virginia. Yeah that's the best butter milk. Transfer confined continue. GotTa have dill pickle relish. I'm sorry I just love pickles too much. I think he got to have it. You have to have I would. I would settle for something that resembles a only but is basically managed. I think it's necessary for life and then the fifth finger has got to be. I think I'm going to have to go coachella hot sauce on top of tea. I forgot Siraj. I forgot had sauce with Raja. Great for breakfast chryst. Chula is great for everything. I'll just drink it out of the bottle. I'm mostly not kidding. Little expensive has a habit. I'm stealing that question for the record. I'm going to ask that question in awkward situations that need an icebreaker from our thank you it is a. It's a pretty good one. Thank you so much for for asking that one one crunchy goodness goodness thank you oh goodness asses butter condiment and I'm GONNA say no. No this is the parque squeeze level stuff from the nineties. Yeah I I think I can be a condiment but I think by definition butter is not a condiment I think spieth particular context all right. Michael thank you so much for joining us. I don't WanNa take up too much more of your time your very busy man And everybody for WHO's watching. Thanks for watching our show and listening. Stay if this is your first time here. We'd like to know what you think about the show. What do you like? What do you want us to improve? Heads he bit dot L. Y. Slash. APP PODCAST survey inning. 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My Last Vector

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"One hundred sixty eight thousand subscribers thirty four million views three hundred and seventy videos all since launching this channel back in two thousand eighteen and couldn't have done any of it without you all of you which is why. I'm both terrified and excited as hell to tell you irony Richie and this is my very last factor a few weeks ago. Well before what's happening now even started happening. I made the decision to leave. I'm more the website I've been working for for over a decade and future the company that owns it and the vector channel and go indy. Indy not to apple or Google or twitter or Microsoft or any of the other big media outlets either. Just Indy. Just me. I deeply truly appreciate what each and every one of you who've done vector the last couple of years you took it from nothing literally. Nothing and made it into a smart considerate vibrant community. In what feels like no time fly even of this many videos also feels like basically forever now. The Vector Channel is staying here with future and they have some amazing youtubers on staff people. I've worked with and learned a ton from like Alex. Toby and Hay Auto android central Daniel Beano on window central Phil Mickelson at Modern Dad. Kevin Mitchell from crack Berry and the inimitable. Michael Fisher on the Mr Mobile. They'RE GONNA keep producing amazing content. And I can't wait to see more of it. I also want to thank everyone future mobile tech for helping me do what it is. I love to do so much work. My ass off to bring you the very best apple and related coverage on the net each day every day. Pretty much all day and I'll still be doing exactly that just different. So if you've enjoyed these videos and our conversation as much as I have and want to keep them going you'll still be able to find me at Rene Ritchie on twitter instagram. And Starting Next Week Rene Ritchie right here on Youtube as well. Thanks for watching. See you on the next channel

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Talking OnePlus 8 Pro and iPhone SE with MrMobile!

Pocketnow Weekly Podcast

1:01:41 hr | 9 months ago

Talking OnePlus 8 Pro and iPhone SE with MrMobile!

"Hello everybody welcome to the weekly podcast. I'm your host Joshua. What's going on everybody all right? So we have another edgy live broadcast. Were doing these pretty much every single week. Now so make sure you follow pocket now on Instagram at pocket. Now of course that way you can be a part of the livestream every week as our live recording of the audio podcast. Which of course you're listening to right now using your favorite podcast APP. If you're new here. Thank you so much for joining us. And remember to subscribe or follow the podcast. Using whatever APP you choose this week Mister Mobile himself. Michael Fisher joins me on the G. Live and in this podcast. And he was actually on the tail end of a long day of work as most of us were he just got done with his motto. Style is video and then right before that he was on yet. Another podcast with another one of our friends. Michael Josh so yeah he was at the tail end of this so i WanNa give another things to Michael for being on the show. Despite how busy it has been and you know what it has been a really busy week because a number of different releases had been happening and this podcast was recorded just before the release of the Iphone S. E. Two thousand twenty edition. I did pick up the red sixty four gigabyte one. I'm recording this. Not Too Long. After the preorder window opened up and we both agree that maybe the red one is the way to go. But we talk about the phone at large In the later part of the episode before all of that though we do talk about some memories of hours in the times when we were able to travel to our respective cities. He's of course broadcasting from New York and I'm over here in L. A. And then we talk about the one plus eight in the one plus a pro both of which provide a lot of different talking points. Because if you're a fan of one plus and you kind of miss their. Let's say flagship killer slash affordable flagship identity. Well maybe you're not really looking at them the same way with these new releases so we kind of explore that topic Throughout our first part of the show don't forget to check the show notes that way you can see all the links for Michael Fisher for myself and of course for pocket now in general and with that. Let's go ahead and get into the show. Now we see if I remember if I remembered to put a memory card in this thing open android. Central Customary podcast opener. What would that be see mine was already open? New has returned to my life. It only took a quarantine to make it happen. Bless IT MEANT. Lacroix key lime is there. It is God's drink it is definitely one of the better ones. What are you have there? That's I've got a I've got a sweet action from six point little local room my friend. Yeah I I like the term sweet action as the name as that's that's why I picked it up at a bar. I was like all gotta have the sweet action. It's two thousand ten and I need to be taken seriously and it turned out pretty good beer so I am asking that those headphones those with Microsoft surface winds right Thing I think I get a little get a little nervous when I have to review headphones because as you know Josh. I'm not much of an audio file. And that's why these are perfect for me because people rightly say the sound stages kind of just whatever. The noise cancellation isn't as good as some others. Even those pretty good but for me. It's all about the user interface and I just loved that the cans of these things are giant knobs which I can use to adjust the volume or the noise cancellation and I just. That's just tremendous I I. I really quite like this. That is really nice. Click we all. It's not quite a click wheel. Click wheel was. We'll always look back on it fondly. Yeah Yeah I'm definitely not an much of an audio found myself but I do like reviewing audio products. The thing is that these jobs. Don't give me any street cred when it comes to audio. I only use it because I could use them in the shower energy. Once you have a Google home and they're gonNA fill the whole bathroom with the because because I don't live. I live with my family in the last thing I want to do is bother my parents with like random youtube videos playing in the shower or like this. I just listened to it. I don't I don't have the phone with me but I listened to the audio. I'll tell you what I bring my. I'm I'm not shame said every my phone in the shower too often. I did some cranking in the shower that moves a million Mitchum. Pitcher was can't just stand there and it's pretty terrible life inc. How is it though? You're you're with your family. Do y'all still love other. Oh yes and so. I think I will want you one of the people that I know would would. This would be one of your first thoughts. We're all very fortunate to be living the lives we live so we can still work. We can still do things during all of this show shouts out to anybody who are affected by what's going on. Hopefully everyone is finding ways to taking of themselves my family so you have me. Who's obviously this? I'm the tech Youtuber in the family. My brother is a day trader. So He's in front of his computer at home all day anyway and my parents are retired. So there's really we. None of us have any of the stress of what the lockdown did as far as jobs are concerned so. I I said this morning. Forgive me if I I'll try to only say this once but I was on Michael Joshes podcast for Gadget match this morning and we just we used the late. Let off the show with that. So there's GonNa be a lot of There's going to be a lot of me saying did I say this already auden. That was the eight hours ago. But yeah man. That's what I try to keep in mind. There's a lot look world as you say affected by the quarantine by the state home stuff but over and above all of it. I'm just really grateful that I have a job. And for the moment we all still have her health and we'll just keep on soldier. Now you know indeed One question in this era that I have started off shows with and I would love to do this with you. Do you have any. Let's say habits hobbies or interests that have sprouted from the fact that your home somebody that you'd like to share with everybody. Maybe you can recommend something to people. Yeah what's crazy is Like not really is the short answer in the interesting answer is because not much has changed for us because we can still work. I feel like everyone. Everyone asks me that As if like I've been either laid off or been laid up in the hospital again and I had to devise new things but really the lifestyle has not changed much. What has changed is not being able to go outside and do what I would normally do. Which is go anywhere else or take like six hour rambling walks right so You know the the closest thing I've got is like reintroducing David or lily at were both in to some of my favorite old. Tv shows that have been off the air for a while you know we. We watched all three seasons of the newsroom. In record time We're we're we're very trashy people. Also we watch below deck. That's my fault. They're very classy people. But I brought them some trashy nonsense in form of below deck on Bravo and What you know. It's it's it's mostly absorbing that kind of entertainment and then finding new ways to absorb podcast entertainment such as instead of taking a walk while listening to all the podcasts. I love cleaning the house. Well yes until it's make sense in. That is something that I do legitimately missed like I never thought I'd be this person but I actually missed the gym. And it's not quite for the workout aspect. It's for the fact that that's how I absorbed all my audiobooks dude absolutely and like if you can't if you don't take drives to work anymore if you're not commuting. I- PODCASTS are probably my favorite medium for in terms of passing the time and for some reason. I can't do that while I'm just sitting here. I have to be doing something so you just find stuff to do around the place right by there was not going Jim. You put on any poundage. Not Quite actually one of the things on. I'm going to be doing a video of this on. Jv It's going to be my way of doing the what's on my phone type thing. I've actually installed a lot of health applications so that I can track my eating. I can track workouts when I do them but when I do them but yeah I'm I'm very. I've become very diligence when it comes to all of that. And just that little bit of information like before you have your meal log it. And it will keep you accountable. I tell you what I do. Now that is a really good call. I've been I've been doing the opposite thing where I've been. I've been getting high drunk and then eating an entire pizza. So it's a different kind of fitness. That's fitness regardless. Yeah well I mean. I would hope that everyone's learning how to Cook. I have I have literally. This is just a little bit of background to our friendship. I have literally cooked meals for every for pretty much. Everyone in Michael's house entirely true. And I will say this. I picked up a nice habit from you josh. If you guys don't know you should. He's very polite and So I've picked up the delightful habit of pouring everyone else's drinks at the table and And making sure everyone is served before myself which is nice but dammit just making me feel inferior. Everyone is dead on pickup up these great. Oh Yeah I'm like. Oh five star chef now now that of spend a month in quarantine them like nothing has changed. I'm I'm for Star Trek Knowledge and technology and not much else. So that's you know what and you know what I'm going to take you up on that because I actually. I want to watch like the old star trek stuff especially next generation. I WANNA get into it just because I have. I have another screen here. That can just be playing something at all times and I want to take advantage of. Well let me. Don't relegate next generation to the second screen give it to give it your attention for forty five minutes and if you need a list of episodes that I will recommend to you. We'll run by David because I'm also introducing David to the next generation We'll we'll see which ones resonated with him. Also all right. Well it's great to check in the missed the hell out of all of you guys by the way my Su man. We always miss you anyway. You're three thousand miles away. That's that's true ridiculous true L. A. L. A. has my heart and I will often not lose. I will never move well. We obviously have quite a bit talk about on this episode and first things first I was just showing it off and I think it's actually a per no way of showing it. I'm using the oneplus April right now for this broadcast and I was hoping I was hoping to get a little bit of like behind the scenes photos. Maybe something to post on twitter or anything like that so I grabbed the one plus eight the smaller one to get that footage its debt. So it doesn't take wireless charging and that's why it's dead. I'm used to it now. With eight pro a man. Dude everything should have wireless charging. I think we've been saying it since twenty twelve for I have at least all right so I have. I actually really adored the way that you set up the reviews for the eight and the eight pro because in Tucson in two separate videos for a review of one in a review of the other. I think the over the over arching theme of those was basically that one plus has changed and in one way. It's a bad thing but in another way it shows that this company has very much matured. And it's a point that I do WanNa get across because I get it I get. That people are really bummed out that the price is high. What is it? What's the number going around? Two hundred and thirty dollar increase increase for the pro. Seven seven pro to ape rose to thirty bucks. Yeah yeah so I'm not to make you just rehash your videos but just sort of like in your in your way of Of explaining it like where do you land on that fence like are you? Are you the one plus fan? That's disappointed at one plus or are you looking towards the future and seeing that. The flagship killer has literally become the flagship. Here's the thing if you looked at their entire history You You you knew this was coming. You knew when they came out in twenty fourteen and they were dropping to ninety nine or three forty nine phone That really had bet six hundred dollars worth of stuff in it. You know that was not sustainable right so it doesn't surprise me. It hasn't surprise made. They've been boosting the price by thirty fifty hundred dollars year over year to try and get to a point where the brand can be profitable. That's business that's capitalism I. I think it's unfortunate when people totally do buy into the the marketing message of like. Oh now you've bought a one plus so you're you're you're in the community man and we're going be we're going to be You know brothers you know. It's always been a company and that stuff is cool and I admired. But it's it's it needs to make money to survive. I think the two hundred thirty dollars jumped for the pro initially made me like. Whoa and I don't think there's an additional two hundred hundred dollars for the stuff there but it between the eight and the eight pro. The pro is the one that that justifies it more. Because what did it do? It gave us everything we've been asking for. How many years have I been talking about? Ip six GimMe Gimme actual water. Industrial System Certification. Okay we've got it. Give me wireless charging now. You've got it in. You've got also the fastest wireless charging you can get in the states. That's pretty cool. What else one hundred dollars. Cheaper than the twenty. Well that's really cool to are the cameras as good depends on the setting but yeah so like how can you how ultimately how can you complain about the pro? You know. I think the aid is not a good not a good value proposition. The pro. I think it's tough to complain about. So I'm curious to expound upon that proposition eight because I'm still I'm going to be doing separate content onto one plus eight as as we as we move onto the next week leading up to the IPHONE which again we're going to talk about a little bit later but the one plus eight still. I still find it really interesting because when you compared to the eight pro obviously is missing. Some very specific things wireless charging I'd be certification all that stuff but to the person who walks into a verizon to the person who walks into a T. mobile. This is the cheapest high end five. G. Phone right now and I think that is that that lends a lot of credence to this phone. I feel like I feel like it's that is exactly what they want it. How they want it to be perceived I feel like also though the you should not put any kind of quality or expectation on the word five G. as as a buyer like yes this is. It's one of the. It's probably the best phone you can get with five G. in terms of What kind of values that offering? If you're on verizon that's giving you millimeter wave five G. which will be really blazing fast if you can stand on the sidewalk and see the season node on the phone pole and again connect to it and then the minute you turn around. It's gone right and then if you're on T. MOBILE. You're getting a really robust signal that only gives you slightly faster. Speeds are in some cases. Doesn't even give you as fast speeds as it's not time yet. Twenty Twenty One. Maybe twenty twenty two. Certainly we'll see five G. really doing a great job especially now T. mobile sprint merger. But I mean it's just it shouldn't factor into anybody's buying decision right now unless you're not going to buy a new phone for the next five years. I guess right which is something that I've noticed in my videos that somebody keeps saying okay. So a couple of people in the chatter asking my questions coming through. They are and we are reading them. But we're GONNA DO Q and a session at the end of this episode. But I will say that one person did just say. Is it worth even upgrading from the One? Plus seven t and to your point if you're not if you're not trying to be on the bleeding edge and be ahead of everybody else with the Five G. The seventy still a great phone and it's actually it's cheaper which makes it even better value so much cheaper. What is four hundred nine still? Write something like that. Yeah Yeah so you get that for four hundred nine versus sorry six ninety nine right for the. Yeah for the base level eight man. There's not two hundred dollars worth of more stuff in the in the They're just component. I don't mean component costs. I mean like additional user facing value. It's not they're not. Yeah so I would say so. You've said before that the eight pro is definitely between these two the one that you would probably go for and I tend to. I tend to agree. It's so funny because we are literally use the word privileged in that we can take a look at both of these devices. We are sent them and and it's funny because I just got done for pocket now putting out a video or making video on the new motos and it's a whole different thing but it's a it's a moto g power mode stylists and at the end of the video said. If I just got one of these phones it would have been such an interesting review up. It would have been session interesting review to do because I'm looking at it in a vacuum but since I'm looking at both of them you have to weigh two way these choices that I feel like a lot of consumers might not actually make because they don't get to hold both of them and that's the case for the one place eight in the pro- Absolutely I just finished addio chew as a matter of fact so yeah. I made the opposite. Caller is looking at him. Like I I just want the STYLUS. I don't care about the power. I just want the silence because I want to see what motive phone does that has a penalty. Then we'll see. Go Watch the video if you WanNa know what that is. But it's I agree with you. It's adds to the complexity of the analysis but now that we brought up the the Boehner there So not just not to spoil anybody on our videos our respective videos which is funny. That's literally what we were working on up until this show so the not to really spoil anything but just to let them know to forty. Nine is the price for the Moto g power to nine hundred. The price of the Moto G stylists prices and those are probably the prices that matter the most in this quarantine era so something like a nine ninety nine for one plus a pro as a little bit of a hard sell especially people who might not have the income for it very true I will say. I don't think those prices are very good. I think maybe to forty nine. You can make the argument for the power but I think for the styles. Two hundred nine is crazy and the only way I could find to recommend it in this era where the Pixel Three Josh. Our mutual lover of phone which we share and adore completely the pallet cleanser as it were is two hundred nine editor at a discount when you when that exists. You can't feel you can't recommend anything else in the states. That price fair. You just can't right so like The when the Stylus would phone reported that the STYLUS was already on sale for one. Forty nine at best. Buy with activation of that. There you go now. That's that's a good price. If you can get that for balance and to your point yes in this era when Shit like taken down a lot of people have a lot less money or are being much more careful with their money and need a phone for whatever reason that's super important so which is why are upcoming topics are going to be so relevant. And that's why I wanted to end this one plus discussion in particular by presenting a just a thought that I've been having especially since mid-range slash value devices or going to become more and more important not just because of the fact that we have this global pandemic this happening but because it's kind of the shift we've been seeing flagship. Phones are still around but if you look at someone like Samsung the airline cells way more than the slide. So there's definitely there's a demand for the mid range stuff because at this point I don't think any phone manufacturer has any excuses. You can make a good mid range phone. Oh Yeah Oh a hundred percent so I would say for one. Plus maybe it's time to bring back the one plus x and I think a lot of people don't even remember the one plus expert. I will always remember it so well. I remember how gorgeous that was. It was like an android. It's like if you took an iphone four and you put android on it and you made it a little bit smaller amid the screen. A little bit bigger man. That was what. What a beautiful little device. That was Some key mistakes ended. I remember wasn't. Nfc was missing and the pro ceramic backing version of it was just a little lower price considering what it was doing But it was the only ceramic phone in the US and being Xiaomi Fan. I love ceramic on phones but yeah I feel like one plus could actually capture a lot of people's attention if they were to have a mid range phone again and I mean. This might be the perfect time to do it. These these are the rumors right. I mean we've got Credible rumors repeatedly coming out indicating one plus Z for spring or summer. Yup and. I think it's interesting too. If that's true that's an interesting. But a stratagem one pluses part because if it were me I did not go to business school. So maybe if someone told me why this is wrong. But if you've built your entire reputation on value and providing excellent excellent benefit for money Why would you risk losing that or sullying that reputation By spacing out your one. Plus Z launch. If it exists for several months after your two most expensive found that you've ever built funds you know are going to be controversial. Why would you do that? I have to wonder if maybe there was a component issue dissolve speculation. I just wonder some companies who have had their schedules setback because of the global situation. And maybe that's what happened but if not if this was part of the strategy all along. I'd love to know that it actually like to sort of this questions. You'd like to ask them. If you ever thought that you would get a straight answer from anybody because you just won't I was just GonNa say you could ask them to a blue in the face on the lowest like. Please don't plead the fifth all the time. They'll they'll bust out a whole bunch of buzzwords not one plus but every company ever. Oh well we We were closely with our partners at Google and make decisions based on strategic initiatives on the global front. Oh thank you very much. Yeah well I mean looking forward to the one. Plus Z. I mean it's it's what what would you say? Is The price point for a company like this because while Moto can put out a phone at two fifty? Wouldn't it be kind of tough for one plus two to really undercut a price like that? It'll probably be like four hundred because the Pixel as are usually that or you know I don't know I'm not. I do not know your experience has been with the motor G. Power but with my in my time with monarchy. Stylus will sit. Yeah Motor can put out of home for two fifty or two hundred nine but a want us. It's slow it's got issues it's big it's ugly it's you know. I think one plus would probably not go that route. You Know One plus. It's always been like we don't WanNa make crappy just be cheap. We WanNa make great phones. That are a good value so I think that foresee they'll probably. I would estimate that they would stick around the four hundred dollar price point because that'll put him directly head to head with the IPHONE. Se Indeed and based on a conversation. I can already tell our I. I think I ended up being a little bit nicer to the motives and breaks my heart. 'cause I love Motorola but do remember. Sorry I don't know if you want to talk about this but you remember when the first Moto g came out in twenty thirteen or whatever it was twenty fourteen. Maybe we're all just just absolutely blown away. I forgot the price was but it was so low and then did everything. Almost everything flagship can do except take good pictures and even had some of the cool stuff that we've had launched with the Moto X. That some of the some of the bonus like Jelly on there and it was like this is awesome this is and the Moto g family. Just redefined what. It meant to be a budget smartphone. And for years they rode that wave and a good for them and I think that had a great influence on the industry because it led to a log able being able to buy cool funds for cheap but now I feel like the Motor. Gee isn't bringing anything. Crucial is not bringing anything again. The Pixel three isn't and Pixel three has a camera. That's roughly eighty years in front of it. You know so. It's like Whoa. Yeah I do agree. And it's it's it's like it was just the early line in my review is just like you gotta temper your expectations first of all. So I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa say that because the last thing that I want to do. And it's a habit that we all have as reviewers as to be like. Oh to fifty versus this. That's unfair and I know that it's easy to fall into those trappings. So yeah I mean I do agree that those are definitely phones that you have to really temporary expectations but at the same time lets see what it offers and there's some things articles and things that are not that that is a hundred percent true. I mean I'm not dog in a completely Some things right but it's it's it's tough it with the landscape the way it is now. It is very competitive and you need to bring your egging. That's one of those one of those big competitors just announced We are going to talk about the IPHONE. Se Twenty twenty. However we're gonNA take a really quick break for our audio podcasts. 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I actually the last time I had to be up at a very dumb. Our just to just to buy an iphone was when I was on vacation with my family and Isa was with us and we were in Kabul and Lucas and here I was in the middle of the night going. Which one do I want trying to scream or silver? Yeah yeah and I was complaining the whole time because this was just after. I left Andrew Authority which meant that I was like able to like really dive into apple content for the first time in my entire career and here I was ordering the iphone tennis Max which to this day is still one of my least favorite films of all time because I got the Max. That's the problem. Yeah it's a big. Yeah so here. I was like buying this phone and I kept saying I'm on vacation and I just lost thirteen hundred dollars. Yeah I was actually really glad about that. Because we're looking at you know we keep talking about it but we are looking at are spending really carefully and and stuff like that and I was so pleased that the next phone up on the on the the thing was not a fourteen hundred dollar phone but it was a four hundred dollar phone and that that's that's easier to justify the expense report indeed horse Spent no money on travel or lodging this year. So there's that yeah pretty much like I mean even on a normal day I just pretty much spend my money on like Organic Kito Foods. So nothing's changed in my same. Believe me friend. Yes Organic Kito Pizza Right. But Yeah we're looking at now. The iphone se which had been rumored and leaked all to hell and now finally. It's a thing it's not the iphone nine and I remember talking to Hymie like why. Would they call the IPHONE nine? I personally would think that's a very weird thing for them to do and they did not do that. But that was like the leading. Contender for the rumored brand name for a while and I was like that's feels like that's doing exactly what everyone did for years. And what? In retrospect was dumb where they released a htc one and then they're being htc one mini or a Samsung Galaxy S. five and then an S. five mini. And as I think Rene Ritchie was the one exposed me to this thinking where it's like men from marketing perspective. Nobody wants a mini. Nobody wants a less than the thing you know they want this thing. And it's it's it's an it's an S. twenty but if they want to spend money the the plus if they want to spend a little extra or they get the maximum Or the pro so I think it makes sense. That apple would resurrect a popular if lesser-known se brand. I'm not sad that we're not getting the WEIRDO iphone. Nine was just not an attractive name. Anyway Yeah and you know to to to hearken back to our thought about mid range phones having some sort of like. I don't WANNA say resurgence but there's a demand for it. I'm actually excited for this phone. I can't believe it. Yes I mean so you carry an eleven right. I do yes which I don't know where it is but I wouldn't pretty eleven because after after the Max Problems. I had just really didn't like that I was not going pro pro Max on this one. I went right. Yeah I I feel like if you are video creator of any kind and you carry multiple smartphones. That help you job. You have to have an eleven in the bag because it's just you can't get better than it for producing video on the go so I'm excited to see how the lives up to two that the SEO has a single camera it has a single camera and anybody who is living under a rock this sub five hundred dollar phone and what actually found really interesting when I was looking at talking with me about this because you know since he's down in Latin America. He won't really be able to get his hands on it so he was like a Josh if you're buying one yes cool. If you do a trade in you can get the sixty four gigabyte model lowest two hundred and twenty nine dollars and I was like. That's crazy and but this is the other part of this is the other side of that coin. What are you trading in to get a phone? That's that cheap first of all Because I think most people if you're going to lean on the IPHONE SE as a cheap alternative to let's say Not Cheap alternative but a cheap backup to. Let's say you broke your iphone. Eleven light you can trade in a broken phone. So what do you do? You actually going to give up a high end phone just so you can get two hundred twenty nine dollars as the price on on the IPHONE. Se Right yeah. I don't know if you held onto an original. Se from twenty sixteen. I mean that would be that would crazy. I mean that'd be awesome though being incredible trade in I mean are they taking that. Did you just say that? I'm sorry I don't know I don't know which phones lead to. What Drayton. Yeah so it makes it even better value. I think the thing is. It's not exciting for me personally. Because we buy these things tools for very specialized trade in which is why by the way whenever anybody asked me what do you carry and then? I was cautioned them like. Don't make a buying decision based on this because we're we're Weirdos you we do not have the same needs as as a regular consumer So like I'm excited for these because I get to vicariously be a normal person again and sailing. Wait how much would I spent? I would get four hundred and I would get and we haven't reviewed it yet but if it works right and if it works like the last iphone se does. You're getting not only a smaller and easier to manage phone but one of the newer processor And and someone set in the chat a little bit ago. You're getting basically everything you need. You're not getting any overkill of a flagship. But for a normal person. You're getting everything you need for three ninety nine or four hundred bucks. That's great this is why we amped on the Pixel three this Y. M. Amtrak Amtrak the first SEC. So just it. It's nice to see that it's nice to see the people don't have to spend an arm and leg if they want so the another factor under the thing that factors into this iphone. Se and the reason why it's kind of exciting is because it is. It's kind of a throwback I mean the nostalgia factor has been high in general for the last year and a house and now we have like touch ideas bag. It's got the metal frame. I just got this classic look to it and now I I will. I think the last iphone that I actually used with this design. Wasn't he'd iphone on eight. Yeah but my biggest memory was with the iphone seven because I did that drop tests in Australia backwards. But yeah either way. Those metal frames do tend to hold up and that's why I was really like the school they do. But here's the thing. I deeply wished that they had gone even further back. And probably. There's there are thermal considerations. Here you can't really make a phone that small anymore without doing a lot. A lot of engine work but I wish they had remade the first. Esi when the SE came out and it was the using the chassis of the iphone. Five I mean. That was the most beautiful iphone ever worked for me with the possible exception of the IPHONE. Four so like I wish they'd gone all the way back to that because ever since the six I feel like the iphone design has been rather it's economic. It's nice to hold. It feels good in the hand. Tm but it doesn't look great. You know it just looks like okay. Well that's that's another found whatever. Yeah apologised everyone in the chapel quick just going to apple dot com for a SEC because MJ Michael Joshua's actually in the chat and just mentioned that it's not touch. Id you're just getting haptic touch no touch ID on that thing. Isn't it got to be right? Yeah what else would I'm looking at it? I'm scrolling down. There's no face. Id Yeah no face. Yeah Yeah. There's no face idea I know that yeah touch. Id on that. I'm just scrolling this website by the way take forever. Yeah touch touch. Id on the home on the humble home. Button the circle on the bottom that everyone Mrs. Yes he says there. Yeah there's such that's okay. I'm Jay Long Day like I have. Yeah everyone's been working But yeah touch ID. I'm actually yeah. I'm happy to see that back. And you know what this is my way after six years at android authority to actually be a part of the this this era of iphones. Because I wasn't there like we only really got iphones when I was at. Aaa for comparison pieces not as daily drivers not as actual like everyday phones. And now. That's what we got. Josh was trying to say Three D. touches not on the phone. It's just happening dead anyway. Random in Three D. TOUCH. They're basically giving up on that. It sounds like which is a shame but yeah so a little bit of speculation on the side here as far as the processor goes I mean apple makes the bionic eight thirteen and whatnot One thing that makes people think of like why what is holding back. Well I think I know the answer to this. But what is holding back the ANDROID manufacturers from putting in? Let's say fifty five hundred sixty five's snap dragons inside of their mid range devices for the eight sixty five it's prize cost because that thing is just like it's crazy that qualcomm doesn't break out the five G. module so you she by eight sixty five year buying the five G. Modem and all that equipment are also really expensive so that makes for a much more expensive phone. I don't know we talked a bit about this this morning. And it's like I'm tired of trying to shout against this massive wave of prioritizing the wrong thing in the audience we read this morning if like If we thought that like the media was driving Driving this demand first specs on on devices. And I'm like I don't think it's the media driving it. I think it's the audience driving it. I I'll I will run a thing. I run a review. And if a phone does not have a snapdragon eight x x or whatever I mean just fifty percent of the comments are people talking about the frigate number. That's that's burned into the silicon casing guys. If you do not need a snapdragon eight sixty five for everything you know what I mean. You don't need eight fifty five for everything that blackberry key to the you and I both love. Josh was what six sixty I think so and it wasn't like the key. One was lagging mess but the key to was was lovely. I did much at all by and to your point. We use the key one way longer than we should have a true. Yeah grounded to a whole but I I think there's an a pervasive overemphasis on specs that really degrades. The conversation and is not the point and inflates prices artificially like I. I really think that if you have a view of a phone that performs really well that is not necessarily indicative of the fact that it has the highest chipping in A. Yeah that make sense and like elegant point about the expertise five modem factoring into that 'cause because Lord knows apple doesn't make a five-day Modem yet so it's not like we have five G. in any of the iphone so that's not really a cost. It doesn't really factor into the cost here and also. I was talking to us about this because she was wondering. Like how? Come the IPHONE? She was one of the people that why would the IPHONE have a high end chip quote unquote from apple when none of the other like cheaper phones from android are able to do that and she was talking specifically about the three because while we love the the Pixel three a when she used it? She agreed that the camera was amazing but she still felt like there was something missing there and I was like I agree with you. And there are things there that you are used to inflection phones at the Pixel three kind of emulates but doesn't quite meet and like I'm there. I'm there wither on that but at my my first gut reaction was. It's probably cheaper for apple to just continue making the processor. They've always been making rather than trying to tool up an entirely new processor for mid range device so well right absolutely. There are certain their efficiencies there in terms of supply chain and whatnot. But also like you don't need. There's there's been this really horrible trend and it's thankfully it hasn't been around for the past few years of making mid range phones crappy or making small phones crappy. This is why we all love those Sony Compaq funds because they had flagship flagship tier performance whether the specs were exact or not. They had power in them and they were also small. And so I I love that. Apple is continuing this with the with the new iphone. Se I just wish it was a somewhat smaller casing. But that's I know we'll have to see I feel like we're GONNA be talking about that thing for the next few weeks so I don't want to go to rigs Well you ask. You did ask the most pertinent question and it is something. That's coming up in the chat. Which one are you getting? Which which which. Which which. Which of the IPHONE are you getting? Oh Oh my God. I haven't even thought of that would colors. We have to choose from a silver or great space gray forgot about that yes about gray black and red and the red edition which is the one. I'm going for and this is not the reason for it but it just happens to be part of it all the proceeds or at least proceeds from the red edition. We'll go towards Cova. Nineteen research into researching relief. I feel like I should get that. Read one for that reason. Tb Edge Project that's still product red rent. That's yeah yeah It is. Do you have an iphone to trading? Yeah there's that to two hundred nine price. Yeah I feel like I duNNo. Normally I would go for the white one. Oh No. That's what I'm doing Josh. Sorry I'm doing the white one because it's the first iphone since the iphone three G. I think that has a white back plate and a black face plate. Oh See who was? Who Was it wasn't you? Was It on educated it? Yeah and man I I gotTa tell ya I still remember waiting in line for that iphone. Three G in two thousand eight and the decision point was at the retail store. There was no ordering. You just told him which when he wanted. They had both in stock. They've white and black and it was like I guess over the Black One and I I kind of always regretted it so I have to undo that this time during the white white back played. Yes the I'm still playing catch up with all of this apple like community that I missed out on for many years. So yeah the right one for me because I would love to the red one back then but we never got it. We never picked at Indra Authority. All right cool so plenty of talk about the IPHONE. Se take away that we are pretty pretty excited for it. WanNa see you. How apple actually tackles this especially in the age of Pixel for as on the horizon. We might be able to see some other budget phones. Maybe the one plus Z as we said before so apple is actually throwing their. What's the what's the what's the idiom? They're throwing their name in the hat in the ring. A hat in the ring. It was one or the other with that. Said we are going to get into what I feel like. It's everybody's favorite part of the show. We're going to take one more a little break and I want everyone to get their questions ready for both myself. And of course the MR mobile so going to pop right now companies governments. I'm pretty much any organization or being stalked by cybercriminals and at some point when the time is right they will be successfully attacked by militias actors seeking money retribution or political. Gain afternoon. Cyber tea with an Johnson provides insights for C. Sows and key security decision makers who want to empower themselves with the information to ward off cyber attacks and disruption they cause each week end Johnson corporate vice president for cybersecurity solutions at Microsoft talks with the nation's top cybersecurity thought leaders and influential experts. About what they're seeing and doing. She entered her guests. Cover topics like election and national security diversity in the industry and how a culture of information sharing is one of the best defences join an to explore the risk and promise of tools and systems powered by a I- i- ot machine learning and other emerging technology and get ideas for strategies can head off intrusions from our two men in the Middle Afternoon. Cyber is available on spotify apple podcasts and podcast one subscribe now. Select these questions by the way and to you. I just scroll through and kind of see what's going on. You know to be to be fair and you know why we're back from the break now and we were just talking about this. I'll let Michael put a little bit of undue product placement because someone just asked. What are you drinking this podcast monitored by sweet action from six point brewery? It's really not but it's very good. Yes we'd action. I actually wanted to pick up Personally I wanted to pick up an old favorite of ours from our Hawaii days. Some Kona I wanted to pick up some Kona brewing Man I Miss Maui very much. Yeah all right. Let's see what we got. A few people in the chat. Were saying that the I. That there were other iphones that had a white back with a black front. Wasn't at the five some of the five C so I don't know. Oh well sure if you wanted to plastic lump. Yeah I mean a real life own Mountaha not a junior spin off right now. The five a was the first iphone. I got review actually Brandon was like you you finally. You can do an iphone review. I was like what and got a blue on. Who's from yeah? Let's see some other ones that we have here. I'm sure some people are going to be asking right now. Oh yeah that's right speaking of the mid range segments these thoughts on what the Hell is an LG Velvet? Like what like what the heck are. We are even going to get from this. So apparently he's going to be like a five hundred dollar. Phone is going to have the specs to match. But you know if if you're looking at LG track record like as much as we all adore LG as a company as a whole like we kind of enjoy what they've brought to the table every product that they have is always like. I don't know it's a love. Hate situation almost every single time. Yeah I mean it's yeah. I got a brief sampling rep brief reminder of what it's like to deal with the fan base that feels as though their their brand is being unfairly Beaten up you get those options to do you. Oh my God and you know like I'm so I'm so happy for the people who care about Quad Dax and headphone Jacks. That they have LG. And I'm really glad I just wish they didn't have to be such pricks about it so often because it's really dreadful to say something like well. You know The V. Sixty dual screen approaches is interesting and probably useful for certain applications but a folding screen can give you those applications and also more And then just have waves of comments from very angry people who are very clearly go to bed with LG pillowcases and you'd have have have lg twos life's good on their life's good life is good. Yes long as you don't read those comments the one the one that is my favorite and I will say just like from my from my perspective as I just from my end as a creator of my whole thing is I just don't want anyone to put words in my mouth much less assumed that everyone else feels the same way too and my favorite comment when it comes to the. Lg stuff is. Oh God it just gets so sick of all these reviewers always bashing LG and respond with wherein my video. Did I even say anything wrong about this? What's interesting is that it's not. It is not a unique to. Lg thing I feel like we. It's it's quick shorthand to say. This is one particular brands. Audience has a problem. But I remember this happening with Microsoft Fan boys especially windows phone fan boys were were exceedingly toxic for the entire duration of that platforms existence. And I loved windows found that I hated those fans so much because it never did well. It never sold in the numbers it should have. It was always an underdog and fans of an underdog. I feel like it's some weird inversion in the universe. 'cause it seems to me that fans of an underdog should be really nice and really understanding and really cool. And they're they're not. They're always jerk wads and that sucks. So it's happened with Elgin happened to a degree with HTC though HTC of course had HTC elevate which Which INCENTIVIZED JERKS TO BE JERKS ON THE INTERNET? Which sucked so. I just feel like it's. It's whatever brand isn't doing well. In the moment I have no idea about. The velvet is it mid range. I mean it's it's called. It's I'm so tired of these rectangles who give me a folding phone hilty. Give me give me something fun. 'cause when I saw I remember seeing that headline and I think it was a verge article where I saw Liotta. Lg Velvet is something different or something to that effect and the first thing that came to mind was like a sliding chocolate. And I was like. Oh that's what I'm that would be so dope. These companies used to make an incredible stuff. They used to play around and see what workday but just hurl stuff at the wall and it's really unfortunate that everyone has settled onto operating systems now. Because you just need a rectangular screen and you needed to be really big relative to the casing size. And that's why and the only way to get around that and make something exciting to make it foldable. Scroll able and that's awesome. But I really hope the coming economic troubles. Don't derail all that awesome development. I hope I hope. Companies are not forced to get conservative in abandoned. Some of that creative thinking 'cause man let's see. I've been more excited. This past year for the ages. Go ahead sorry. So that's actually. That's actually a good little segway. We'll start off with a question from the audience that we make sure we a but I have another question follow from that off acuity asks anyone else hate the curved screen displays. Now yes okay. Well immediate reaction. We did a what is we. Go ahead sir. I was just going to say that like my my follow up question so that not follow up my my question. I'll answer your question with a question. Which is how curved are we saying because the one curve screen that I've really despised not despised? It's not really the curved screens fault. It's just that the fun so damn big was Aviva. Nex three the next five five G. phone now having the waterfall display. And that's like the extreme of the curve display. That was that was but it was also a huge phone and that was the problem. Like I'm always going to be the guy that's like something that's easy to handle and if you have a huge phone and you try to reach the meet me. Yeah he's yeah. Yeah especially if you have an interface element that's in the upper left part of the screen. You're reaching over to go get it. And then all of a sudden you're selecting stuff and some phones have better palm rejection than others non. None of them do it. Perfectly oneplus has never gotten a they feel like the eight pro and the seven pro just bad at the. I'm always I'm always touching stuff I don't mean to but really Yep I one of the reasons I adored the seventy so much as they just made it flat and you know it's less beautiful. Yes it's a lot more useful in this the argument a lot of. Lg folks make where it's like. They really haven't done the the the the folding excuse me the curve screen thing and that's that's good but that doesn't mean you have to make the rest of the casing the world's most boring phone also the g flex you remember the g flex. I'm sorry to go. Gee You know I miss the G FLEX and I. I mentioned a story when I did my tech PODCAST WITH NICK. Gray when we talked about the one plus x I'll just paraphrase it real quick because I'm going to segue into the story of the g flex so one of the reason why I'm always going to remember. That phone is because the day that I went up to San Francisco. One Hour Flight Literally twelve hour turnaround. I went up there. We did the hands on on the videos hands on for video I came back and then my girlfriend broke up with me all in the same day so I'm always going to remember the ex- On the other hand much lighter and funnier story. You were there Michael when they had the g flex too. I think with these self-healing back and we were in the hands on area. Where literally no one else's ever touch these phones and they were talking about the self-healing back and I'm over here like I'm really productive and being efficient. I'm really happy with how I work going. And I'm like Oh yeah I need a shot of the feeling back so here I go. I take my go cooked and the scratch didn't go away. No because round your key into the thing you look like an airplane tried to land on that thing and the gear boy. That was crazy. I remember seeing. I remember walking up to the UN highly. Still doing your work. This is now obviously and like I walked up to you and I was like guys. What do I do you guys all the biggest idiot in the world and I was but I remember walking up to one of our. Lg Friends there. And I was just like hey guys and I handed it to them face up so that they didn't see what I did you go. You can have the specter. Yeah that was crazy. That was the same demo where they. Lg had the The engineer and I forget who it was Do like a wrestling move on it. Like he basically just like jumped up and landed on the chiefly with his butt or an and it. Just it was fine like I I it was. It was a ballroom briefing and that was a very satisfying moment and he stomped on it. But that phone racked but it was fine it was still workable because it was affleck's an unfortunate that it has not dragon eight ten in it because that anyway we can talk about old fund some other time but I missed the chief thermals thermals. Were always a problem back. Then with those things yes So that would that would segui me into our pen. Ultimate question here is a thought that I made not too long ago. That one plus sadly confirmed for me is that we no longer are ever going to get those pop-up cameras and motorized cameras anymore. It's just going to be a hole punch everywhere now and that makes me sad. I don't know about you. It makes me sad to man. I think the whole punch is a is a crime too aesthetic. I mean it's it's an it's an offensive design The they're ugly notches out there. But with the exception of maybe the Pixel three xfl. I don't think I've ever seen a notch that that's that I wouldn't prefer to a Hole Punch. It's gross now. I think there's reason to be hopeful though because we've already seen prototypes of displays that don't have a visible hole the cameras behind there. But you know they've active pixels over it so I think that will you know that will develop I'm I'm into that and I think that's going to be great when we finally have it but probably my favorite memory of twenty nineteen is traveling throughout Asia Japan and Philippines with that Zen phones is a then phone six. Oh Yeah just the coolest implementation of the cameras ever. I will always remember that shoutout to sues for not demanding it back thank God shatter to forgive me one of those. Oh wait now. Just getting no. It's fine it's cool. I'm used to put salt on a wound it's cool. I'm just angry and bitter now. I'm not even sad anymore. Josh no I think the thing with that is like that's the smart way to go. Because what are we complain about his bloggers? You and I do this all the time anytime. A phone comes out a briefing and we're both there. We both usually ask the same question. What's the what's the field of view on that front facing camera and it's always something nonsense like seventy six degrees? Were like great. So if you don't have arms that are eight feet long. You can't blog with this so I shouldn't have to roll back like this like I'm doing with a pro right now. This is the one pro right. And that's the brilliance of the xenophon. Six design and so many designs that use the primary camera array as a reversible thing because then you use the wide angle if you need to. You don't and the manufacturer doesn't have to put so many components into the phone. Yes the motor makes it more complicated Yadda Yadda Yadda but it. It is so much better for the user and man. That's gone all the way back to the Samsung. A six hundred that I carried in two thousand and three. It had a single camera on a cylindrical. Hinge in the middle of two clam shell components in you can just rotate that camera by hand G. Either face you or face away and it was. I mean it was two thousand. Three's terrible camera but it was a great idea and I think I know where thinking of right now one thing is. I remember a phone like that but I don't remember it being a Samsung phone. It was they did that with a couple of versions of that implementation and I thought you were about to say you were remembering fondly. The OPO N one was that what was the mode that did come to mind. Yeah did come to mind. The end wine and the end three With the with the the clicker the Oh click the OH click. I can't believe I remember the name. Oh Man Yeah I remember. I learned about that from one year. Video was jealous. I don't know if a new yet who's this. Why does he get this cool phone? This is awesome. I had not. Yeah you and I had not become like like close by that point but it was because of the three that Hymie and I met because we were both on that trip. I always remember that story. And it's always so it's always a heartwarming. For into like recounted each time we mention it. It's so nice all right so I have a final question is how we end every show. You can pick anything you want. It doesn't even have to be tech but as you know being the former host of the show it is a tech show. Michael Fisher Mr Mobile. What is in your pocket now. Oh very nice yeah. Well we used to remember the segment. Now you've not changed the rules Ray. You're not asking me literally right this second rate because I had to empty my pockets at the Corinthian station. Yeah in our front door. It's a very open ended question. It could be anything. You want to be excellent. Well look I'm going to do you know what I love about foldable. 's I am going to answer. Your question have made it possible for me to do the opposite of what I would ordinarily do because normally Josh I would say I would skip the phone in my pocket because who cares. They're just boring unless you're nerds like us but no this is my daily driver and I just moved back into it and I'm so excited to be back on the galaxy full because it. It's my everyday phone on the weekdays on the weekends. I switched to the Z. Flip and I I just I just can't get enough of this device and we all know we all know the many reasons why which I've said over and over again in every video but having this amount of acreage on demand feels great and it's also nice to be on a special device one that Changes the way I perceive mobility even though. We're not very mobile right now. So it's good. I have one day one day back on this. Just put myself back into it. And then we'll be under the next review device so I will will save it. Can I ask what you're carrying a hanging with retina it is the eight pro. I my first answer to that would be Z. Flipped to be honest because I do like Z. Flip a lot but yeah right now. It's the eight pro. Which is why it's what I'm using right now. I would. Now that we've talked about it I do want to dig up that Zen from six. And maybe I'll go back to nice to have a podcast discussion and you're like. Oh Yeah I love that. I'M GONNA go move into their phone real quick. Yeah yeah absolutely loved to but yeah okay. So that's pretty much do it. We do have these. I G live broadcasts. They limit you at one hour. So we have about a minute or two left. Which I'll give you the floor to plug anything you WANNA plug tell everybody you know where to find you thank you. I want to just ask everyone to to to to ask any questions because I felt really bad. Because like the way this formatting works is she covered over my comments Yeah I plug my twitter and instagram handles at the Mr Mobile. The Mr and we'll be. I I will say that to for another discussion. Just like this which was just as fun. Michael Jesuit Gadget match. That was. That was a great time. Josh I will thank you deeply for letting me come on the show again I miss you all the time. Even when we're not in a global pandemic indeed and I feel the same way with all of you home in New York as well. Yeah so that was the thing. I think that's going to be one of the first things I'd do once. Okay I'm putting. I'm drawing the line at vaccine wants. A vaccine is available and popping on a plane. I'm getting even getting it first. And then bottom same dude thanks to you. Thanks to everyone. It's been really fun hanging out another thanks to Michael Fisher Mr Mobile himself for coming onto the puck and now weekly podcast. It's always great to have him on. And the door's always open for you buddy to come back and for us to have that kind of chat all right so you can follow the links that are found in the show notes to find. Michael Fisher everywhere. You can also ceilings for myself. You can find me at. Jv Tek T. On twitter and instagram. And you can also find me at YouTube dot com slash Josh from my own content which supplements all of the great content. That we do here at pocket. Now all right so Pagano's also found at YouTube dot com slash Puckett. Now and you should subscribe. Because they're pretty much videos coming out every day and then make sure you follow the instagram profile for pocket now because that is where we do the alive Recording or rather the live stream of the recording of this podcast our intro and intermission music by Pine Vonk in an album called cell division music for smartphones. The songs are APPs store and smartphone. Find those links on this show notes as well and with all of that said. 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Night Mode FIGHT: iPhone 11 vs Pixel 3 vs Galaxy S10 vs P3 Pro

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Night Mode FIGHT: iPhone 11 vs Pixel 3 vs Galaxy S10 vs P3 Pro

"Sponsored by brilliant get smarter every day and save twenty percent link in the description. Wow I did not what's that coming. Just just hold on as usual apple. Wasn't I a computation hansel eight photography just like they weren't I to multiple cameras or depth affects or even phones at all but they're they're now and typical apple style. It doesn't do everything you can't force it on manually you can't use it with the Focus Pixel Free Ultra Wide Angle but oh you can do you can do well really well with good detail recovery texture preservation and tone mapping in a really opinionated. Maybe even controversial way and that's the point. This is as much art as science. Do you drink color in the dark like the human eye or do you boost it. Do you turn night into day or shine a light in the dark in in the end. Some aspects are objectively better on some camera. Phones others are far more subjective to figure it all out. I collaborate with my friends. Michael Fisher the MR mobile inherited from android central and we shot the censors off the Google Pixel Three Samsung Galaxy S. Ten p thirty pro and the brand the new iphone eleven pro irony Richie and this is vector yeah enhanced life photography has been a thing for a while now but it became table stakes in twenty eighteen eighteen when Google announced a feature for the Pixel three say what you want about Pixel sales numbers and whether it's mainstream or just gig stream it made night mode matter and in typical Google style it did it with Algorithms on the Pixel. nightside is a separate mode. You have to switch to manually but of course that means you can force it on manually anytime you want tap that tap up and the pixel will be good too low light. Go Not that you can tell from the viewfinder this continues to be my biggest gripe with the Google Camera. What you see isn't what you get so you're left left frame and focus on whatever you can't as best you can and sometimes that means doing it over and over again but when you take the picture that's when the magic happens according to Google the Pixel averages frames in other words exposure stacking it takes a bunch of full resolution exposures over the course of up to six seconds how long it takes depends on how dark it is and then uses the HD are plus system on older pixels and the super resume system on Pixel three to average and merge the exposures that gets you more light and less annoys then they use a machine learning algorithm to adjust the white balance and apply total mapping and an s curve to make the image more colorful more even than the human eye can perceive at night they call it a superpower once he's not the photo it Alaska to standstill and give you a circular progress wheel to show you for how long and then when you go to see the photo it'll take another second or two to render out the final nightside image. Samsung's night mode used to turn on automatically back in April the updated data manual tab. There's no live preview as far as I can. Tell Google what you see is not what you get then according to Samsung they lower cameras sensitivity decrease shutter speed which could mean a lower signal l. gain to the sensor to combat noise injected by way of a wider ISO and slower shutter. It's hard to tell though because unlike google or Apple Samsung doesn't really talk up the process process. That's why there are a couple of different explanations floating around for what's exactly happening. Some say it's burst that get exposure stacked again like google to increase and decrease noise others that it's just a long exposure. Samsung says a Tripod helps which suggests there is some long exposure going on also that the capture process to intelligently reduce noise and balanced contrast contrast and light and it's color corrected to really Brighton and saturate their shots. It's also incredibly fast to take the shots. Saving takes a little while though there's a progress meter around the shutter button and then it says saving on the viewfinder which takes a few seconds in total the wall way P thirty pro has such a monstrous camera sensor on it that you can and get really good low light simply by taking a regular old photo you know like our ancestors used to but it also has a computational night mode as well yeah with a separate tab you can tap right into the action and take a picture and then get about a paragraph of text telling you to hold steady at that point while opens up the shutter for up to four seconds again again. It's hard to find a lot of technical details but it looks like it's doing multiple shots at multiple exposures and stacking them as well then running algorithms to average emerge the results into remarkably markedly cleaned final images with remarkably terrible color science. We're still seem to be a hallway jam right now. You Get a countdown in a progress circle to keep you busy well while the shot processes and the view finder pulses from black to bright then another progress circle afterwards to keep you busy while saving once it's done though your shot is ready immediately apple's new iphone eleven night mode is automatic which is great because it shows up exactly when you need it but not so great because you can't force it on if and when you just want to when NATO nine what activates its icon turns yellow depending on how dark it gets. It'll show you a number from one to three signifying how many seconds to hold the photo in order to capture the image you can also tap the icon trivial manual controls where you can slide the time left all the way to zero which turns night mode off or all the way right which will typically Max out at three or four if you WANNA on a tripod though all the way up to twenty eight seconds for some serious long exposure or astro photography like portrait mode on the iphone the live previews show the night mode result. You're gonNA again before you even take the photo that way. You can compose it the way you want it. What you see is what you get. It doesn't work on the New Ultra Wide Angle Lens which lacks the focus pixels apples name aim for phase adjust auto focus and optical stabilization of the wide angle and on the pro telephoto as well. When you hit the shot the indicator slides down in the preview goes dark and then brightens to help pass the short expanse of time all the while system fusing together multiple images using adaptive bracketing based on what it determines from the preview view those brackets can go from very short if there's more motion or they can get really long if there's more shadow that let's minimize the blur and maximize the amount of detail recovered thanks to semantic rendering it can also distinguish different parts of the image including and especially people and multi scale tunnel map in detail as much as possible it takes a second into save after that and then your phone is immediately available so who's the new king of the night well from my money? Apple wins interface no surprise surprise. It's a drag you you can't force it into night mode anytime you want but once it comes on automatically from the live preview to the manual adjustment slider the user experience just top notch as for the photo themselves the first thing we did was take them off the phones and their varying degree of display quality and onto a fifteen inch Retina D. C. I p. three MAC book pro. We'd all be looking at the photos on the same screen. I personally prefer apples choices here. The colors look warmer where Google sticks to cooler tones as usual once in a while the pixel looked sharper but not always apple though can often often keep different textures looking like different textures what was camera is legit amazing and it takes great shots and low light without a night mode at all but it's interfaced hells instead of shows. Its color consistency just still isn't as good and when it comes to tech shares. It feels like they're just you know trying their best and Samsung just comes in last for me for being okay at everything but not exceptionally great at anything. Don't WanNa take my obviously biased word for it. Here's what Michael Fisher Mr Mobile had to say apple has finally put put some work into photos taken after dark and the results early on are hugely promising dimmer but more authentic than wow way better in all hall respects than Samsung and going below for blow with Google. That's truly astounding after a year of falling over myself. Hope saying how great the Pixel Threes nightside is because it is but apple it seems nearly caught up and that's incredible and had to of android central is great as the Pixel Threes nightside is. I love that it's not the only option for taking really impressive low light photos these days the iphone eleven new nightmare does is a much better job than Samsung's note ten at brightening a shot without trying to make it look like a daylight photo and I love apples tendency to lean towards warm photos since I never really enjoy wall weighs color science on the P thirty pro. I also really like the software interface for night mode on the IPHONE. Though I wish there was a way to manually enable it like on the Pixel three the twin the two though it's hard for me to pick a favorite and I think that's actually a really good sign for apples I take at night mode on the IPHONE head on over to android central channel for more for my hat though and and to see him put all of these phones or cameras if you will head to head in a variety of other photo tests and Michael Fisher of course at Mr Mobile Channel for his day one iphone eleven first impressions and then check brilliant brilliant is a problem solving website that uses a hands on approach with storytelling code writing interactive challenges and so much much more there are over fifty interactive courses for you to dive into including a complete math course library that's perfect for students as they progress through school it professionals to brush up or advance in a new area and hobbyists to learn something fun and new they're all built for ambitious and curious people who want to better understand stand the world and maybe help shape it to support vector and get unlimited access to brilliant choruses and daily challenges just head on over to brilliant dot. Org Slash Vector and get twenty percents off their annual premium subscription based brilliant. Thanks to all of you for supporting vector so that's my first look at night mode explained and my first thoughts on how now apple's new iphone eleven compares to the competition many are saying. It's the night king. I think I'M GONNA agree but I want to hear from you so hit like if you do hit subscribe if you haven't already semantic render that Belga most don't miss any of next week's uploads and then let me know who's doing night. Mode the best for you and why thank you so much for watching see you next video.

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"Coming up on all about Android. We discussed the finishing move by the US to wall way. Also is the motor razor, even a real phone will we ever know new Google glass? There's the Sousse, zen phone six Minecraft earth tour browser for Android, your Email, and a whole lot more. All that Android is next. Casts you love from people you trust. Tweet. This absurd of all about Android is brought to you by gram early Gramley a communication tool that helps people improve their writing to be mistake, free clear and effective start writing confidently by going to grammar dot com slash Android, and get twenty percents off a grammar Lee premium account today and by WordPress Turner dreams into reality, and launch your website at WordPress dot com. You can get fifteen percent off any new plan by visiting WordPress dot com slash all about Android. And by the intrusion podcast for Microsoft, your biweekly conversation and interview podcast about share point one drive and related tech within Microsoft three sixty five get highlights on usage adoption and how share point works for you. Subscribe on your favorite pot catcher today. Welcome to all about Android episode four twenty one recorded on Tuesday may twenty-first. Oh I like that twenty nine thousand nine year week. The source the latest news hardware and apps. For the Android faithful. I'm Jason how. Richards. So brought to you said Tuesday, or Thursday, Tuesday, I think, okay. I think I think I was hoping it was Thursday. Hello, jason. Hi, how's it going? Ron Flo flows, not today. Flows taking the taking the day off. She's getting started on the moral Memorial Day weekend early. Oh, yes. She's just partying. That's based on what she's doing leaving us to work while she parties. Now she needs she needs some time. And she is she's earned that she's a busy lack. So we're happy that she can take that time, joining us, not one, but two guests today, we have Michael Fisher, you probably know him as the Mr. mobile. How's it going? Michael very well chasing. Thank you for having me. I wish I was on your coast. But I'm on mine. Yeah. We should probably we should probably let everyone know that when you refer to the Mr. mobile, you should be capitalizing, those EMS. Is right there in the lower not the team. Yeah. That's right. There screen. How could you get it wrong? So when I emphasized the Mr. mobile, I was probably putting the fastest in the wrong part of this, right? Yeah. Could consult the style guide. And it'll tell you everything you can. It's good to have you here, Mike. Also joining us even Zimmerman from XTA. Developer Steven, how you doing man doing awesome? It's great to get you here. You actually wrote a story that relates to our top story that totally has nothing to do with wall way. Why would we talk about why this week? There's no reason to talk about way this week and we're just delighted to get back on the show. It's been a little while. So thank you for hopping on today. Good to have you here before we start anything I thought I'd throw this in at the beginning because I know Michael, you had mentioned in Email that if we just happened to talk about the pixel three a you'd be all about it because you're really enjoying it. And I gotta say, I agree. But I'm curious to hear your take, you know it's funny. I just I'm a little sad because I just realized right before we went on air, that I have ruined the headliner was going to go with my review, so the bread sexism free to talk about it. This is I was going to say this is the first four hundred dollar phone I've ever used that I wouldn't mind just using until its replacement arrives in another year, but that is not true. The first time that happened was with the Moto expedition in two thousand fifteen. So this is the first phone in what three four three or four years that I've come across that costs, three hundred hundred dollars that I the that doesn't annoy me in any significant way. Save one. Oh, do it. The tune in to find out. Oh man. I should do. The video, I'm cutting right now is about wireless charging. And of course, the three does not have wireless starting so all of the seventeen wireless charging pets. My house are useless and. Here's the thing about that. I will argue that, that's a bit of a luxury, sir, because I have no wireless charging pads. And I, I would argue that most of America does not have wire starting. In a pre iphone ten world. I would be a lot more likely to go with you on it. But I feel like it's that's opened it up a little bit. I think people are starting to get it. Plus, it Starbucks in. Are you sit down you hear the little chimes around you as people? Discover those pads on the table and they put their phones and you're like oh oh lovely. This is becoming a thing that normal people care about. But aside from that. I, I think the pixel three is a game changer. Actually have a friend of mine who's who was the best way to say that he is Android curious. He's a Iowa's user who keeps flirting with Android, like every now and then he gets a phone and then goes back to the iphone, whatever and I was just he was just asking me. He's like, tell me why I shouldn't get the three and I was like doing it. I have no reason why you shouldn't get it three like you should get the three you're on Verizon. You, you. It's right. The right. Price point is a good hands like go forward. So I'm pushing him, the hopefully finally haven't made the jump and stay on the Android side of the fence. Like overnight, it became the go-to recommendation for a lot of people for like, oh, you wanted to check out Android, or you need a new smartphone. And you're, you're on a sort of a budget like here, I have a new recommendation for you that I have almost no problem with at all. And I can't haven't been able to find a new problem in the past two weeks. I continue to forget that I'm even using the three because both my three and the three XL are three XL and the three XL are the same size have the same case. And the only reason I'm bringing the three XL in it really is. Because, you know it because when we do the show, and it has Android Q beta three on it or whatever. But I mean the three is, is what I'm using on a daily basis. And I miss nothing like the wireless charging is probably the one thing that I do miss because I do have a wireless charging pad by my bed. But, but it's really for me. It's not the end of the world. I I'm very new to the wireless charging things. So it's not something that I'm so invested in that sounds like your Michael, Stephen, have you played around with a three. Do you have any thoughts on this? So I. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on one yet, but I was seriously considering buying one, which is also strange for me. I don't buy many phones the last phone. They bought outright was cut, pry actually couple years back. Anouilh. I was I was looking at popular US and buying one, but the problem is in Canada. It's actually not as cheap as it is in the US in Canada, on the carriers goes for about six fifty when you have pixel three for seven fifty so it doesn't buy you much in Canada. Unfortunately. Yeah. I mean it really is impressive what they've done here at the same time. It's impressive how they've kind of devalued their premium phones by coming out with this range phone that does pretty much what most of what you wanted to do. And does it really well? So be curious to see what the pixel four is all about. They'll really have to justify that higher price. I think most definitely. Okay. So that's our little like pre pre show before we get into the news. So now Victor, it's time for the news. One thing that usually never annoys me much is Android news. Oh, good. But this time I don't know. I don't I don't know about this week. What are you annoyed with, with what's going on with wall way? I don't know it seems like we're all about hallway today, right? Oh, yeah. We're a little distracted. It's true, last forty eight hours have been kind of mayhem for tech news and wall way. And it's, it's just been it's developing story. It's been changing all over the place. So I thought it start off with kind of a little bit of a summary, because we just to catch everybody up to speed for the last forty eight hours and actually dates back to last week when there was an executive order issued to block US companies like wow way, who views says poses a national security risk from doing business in the US in anyway, shape, or form. And that executive order from my understanding more has to do with this, like historical perspective on wall way. And it's networking equipment specifically, not their phones. So for the purposes of this show, I, I don't know how much of that involvement is related to the phones but on Sunday, Google announced it was going to sever while ways Android license incompliance without orders. So I don't believe that that's Google being like bad guy, Google. That's Google following the law in the US, essentially, and that would restrict in essence walkway to a OS P. So they wouldn't be able to, you know, have the Google play store on there. No Google services Google security updates on future while we devices, however existing devices would not be affected by that. And everyone's going. Oh my goodness. While is doomed like, you know, and meanwhile, they've just had this crazy trajectory, right? They've been selling smartphones smell selling handsets, like crazy worldwide Vladislav on the verge said their phone business would be quote decimated without Google's Android. Which is probably pretty close to two at to accurate as far as that's concerned, a Monday, the US Commerce Department announced a ninety day license for US companies to continue work with wow way possible extension beyond that. I don't think it's a full license of free and clear, but it's a it's a partial and as a result, Google announced that it would once again, provide OS updates and security patches to existing devices during this temporary license period still plans to hold its apps and services from future devices and that I think, is where we're at right now. But I feel like every hour, there's a new post. It's like, oh, no. Now what Stephen you actually wrote about while his use of AOL's p being anything? But a sure thing and it relates. To copyright. And I think this is a really interesting perspective. So why don't you kind of give give your take on on why while we might not be able to use AOL going forward? Yeah. So I mean, the, the first reaction that a lot of people seem to have to the announcement about not be able to use Android, and angel branding was that they would just use Eos p going forward. But the being on the entity lists and being subject to the export expert regulations era camera. The actual words for it. It, it blocks any US company from entering into contract with you to supply parts, including software parts such as well. Obviously Android, but as well p is a us. Is able to be used because it's offered as a under a license he Apache license, and that license is an agreement that they have to enter into, if they cannot enter into the patchy lacing agreement than they can't. They can't use N P itself as it would be operated, fervent now are actually Google is not going to pursue that. They have no interest in pursuing that it would be a huge waste their time to presume that. But at the same time there are criminal penalties for massive copperative for, which while we would be doing if they were to distribute Android in. Well, worldwide without a license to use it in those Colonel those criminal. Criminal penalties could be pursued by the US government directly without Google's help itself. So there actually is substantial potential for if someone wanted to take it to that level, which hopefully it doesn't go that far there is substantial potential for. Who are we to be pursued for the use of ESPN without a license? Well, the upside, there, actually is some precedence that it may not go that path in this, this whole dispute man's, or the we expect specifically the just three years ago. There was a bit of a similar situation happening. And I the Arkley poached today, actually I almost published two very similar article two years ago. But it didn't get around to writing it, and essentially, yes, they got three months repreive right now but three years ago that he when they then when they were blocked, three months repreive that was extended for now, three months for clients, and another three months now three months, three months it till eventually, they were taken off the list after takes substantial fines, and we're allowed to do business again, and now are entering western markets again with full Android devices. And you're, and you're positing that that might actually happen with wall way to which it possibly. Yeah, absolutely could I feel like there's a Phil like there's a certain kind of political strength happening right now. You know. You know, a confluence of events between this. And of course, you know, Chinese tariffs that are also related and happening in tandem with this. It's not impossible to something like that would happen. But man that feels feels that. Oh it somewhat impossible. I suppose it's a horrifying position to be a no one wants the on the entity lists. It's, it's if you're on to listening, don't get exemptions don't get taken off. It's pretty much distance sentenced to a business and the Commerce Department understands that they know that it's the death dad's, if you get left on with no provision, and they're, they're they readily work with companies, try and prevent that from having as long as the company tries to comply. So as long as Wally sorry, assuming nothing out of your canary happens. I wouldn't be surprised if while way and the carsoup permit kept announcing ongoing remits to continue to work together until a permanent agreement can be, we'll can be found essentially. Yeah. Yeah. So let's let's open it up a obviously, Michael Ron, I'm very curious to hear what you guys think about this. Michael, what are you at right now? Disea- T examples, a really good one. I was speculating in that vein yesterday. I won't you know, Z T was was essentially destroyed as, as, as a company and they were, you know, we're able to come back from that after after a series of reversal. Stephen ready in over. I mean my thing was I just couldn't get out of my own head in terms for yesterday. When I was trying to process, this news in terms of how much while way has brought to the mobile space. How much innovation they're responsible for an innovation, even I mean you can't say any words in this discussion without somebody getting inflamed, there's all kinds of patriotic, and nationalist distractions occurring as a result of this being a symptom of a trade war. But if you just look at what while is brought to the space, the mobile space, I mean, in smartphone cameras alone. They've exerted immense pressure onto the manufacturer's to up their game. The material science even the color of their devices reverse. Wireless. Charging you take a look at their mate book pro. It's one of the best windows, laptops, there is, and that, you know, as an innovative way of talking to smartphones with something as simple as an if tag but it's implemented so well, that I made a whole video about it like this is a company that makes impressive stuff say what you will about, you know, the company the company's connections to the Chinese government. The Chinese government itself. These are products, the entry system should not be without. And so I really hope just for the sake of that ecosystem that this gets worked out sooner rather than later. Ron, what do you think? I don't know. I was I you know, it's this, this whole thing is crazy complicated. But looking at some of the, you know, Jason you, you made the comment about how things are, you know, it seems like every hour, there's a new article, or a new store or something like that. And seeing, you know, hitting the while way CEO post today on, we chat, that they're going to roll out their own operating system in twenty twenty is like, like, I think that, while like they're going to take this on the chin and roll on. And you know, to Michael's point, I think they're an innovative company. They'll continue to innovate. And they'll figure out a way to innovate around the US if needed and innovate around Android. I think of all the companies that we've that we've seen emerge and stuff. I think wow is the one that could do that. Samsung has tried to do their own with ties in and that just ended up being relegated to, you know, a thing in smaller devices and on your wrist, but I could have done this, but they were able to pull up. But Samson had the right idea at the wrong time, right? Ties in was how many years now what does that seven years? Right. Yeah. If you think about where the devices are now and where the supply chain in China is like, and how far we've all come. And, and, you know, basically could you, you know, the you wanna you wanna roll the specs for a mobile operating system, you don't need to build it from the ground up fifteen years ago anymore, you can just reverse engineer Android your. They know what the you, I already know what the, the, the, the, the way the basically the ins and outs. And how can work and everything you just gotta do it. You know, I, I think that it's, it's a much better environment to roll your own less now than it was. When Samson astronomy ties in work. Yeah. So one of the things is announce actually has a little worried for way the Android app. Capacity. Which if they were targeting a PI is a couple of years ago, would be potentially doable. But with the recent or whole ruling that ruled the API's are cooperating they could potentially find themselves in trouble with ASAP, even if they're using completely fresh co base that just happens to be charging the same API's I have. No, I have no knowledge of what the actual is looks like this is Julie speculation based on what been announced so far. But got me a little worried. Yeah. They've been working on their own OS. Apparently they the internal name on. It is project z z. They've been working on that for years now. The information had a post where they said that there were saying this OS is quote far from ready, and I don't know what that is, is twenty twenty or not. But it sounds like it's not ready to go right now which might be what they actually need. But what do you still have to see? Those things can be ready in two thousand twenty and if right now it's not ready. It's may. And what is? The thing that you would need to get it ready by two thousand twenty motivation. Well, that's true. Right. And yeah and and. Good point. But no. But the, the US government is basically motivating while way to speed that up and the throw all the resources at it. And you know, in, in six months time can they do it? I don't know. You know, I guess we'll find out it didn't say it isn't went in two thousand twenty January December thirty first twenty twenty. As a primitive, as I am of, of always hardware, prowess. And, and I am I've never been impressed with the company's abilities with, with software. Certainly, there's some great ideas baked into the versions of Android while we built, but they're, they're seldom executed properly, and it seems to take them a long time to innovate. They do fix stuff, but it seems the interest not innovate so that combined with the fact that we've even if they figure out a way to emulate, you know, Android apps or whatever modify Android apps to run on, on this project ceased stuff, and they're legally allowed to we don't have an example in history of a company that succeeded trying to do that. You know, blackberry. Try to do it in blackberry. Ten Microsoft was in the middle of trying to do it. I think sailfish does it, but there didn't have a significant market share. So it's like I don't know. I, I would be very surprised if they were able to easily innovate around this problem. I think I think there's no way forward for them without Android. Yeah, I, I don't know. I just feel you know, a great man by the name of Walt Disney once said, if you can dream it, you can do it. So I just think that, you know, with the situation I mean, I, I can't if you're telling me that there's no way for any mobile device company to proceed on their own without Android data. More scary thought in my in my mind, you know, and that, and that's what that's what triggers the EU that's what triggers antitrust and all that sort of stuff like that. That's a, that's a bowl bold statement that I hope doesn't exist, of course, as an Android loyalists. I don't want anything else. I don't want ties it. I don't want project z, but, you know, but who knows we didn't know Android didn't exist, you know, fifteen years ago, whatever it was. Right. It was like the innovation comes from unlikely pay on the unlikeliest places. And sometimes timing is, is not in your favor. Today was also the unveiling of the honor twenty in the honor, twenty phones right in the middle of all of this, and by all accounts. These are really nice. Phones. I've, I've heard very little about it today. But, you know, ho- punch display nearly as Liz dynamic holographic design on the go on their last back, which honors really good at doing stuff like that quad cameras on the back here in ninety processor, just really bad, timing. I just I just love the, the, the PR person has got a handle that. Oh my goodness. Nightmare scenario for whoever PR. Hey, got a pitch for you. We realize all this stuff's going on right now. But convince them they want it. Come on. That's your one and only job. So. Coming back to the antitrust the mention I think, actually is important to station means compete without a wise. P unless you have a backroom, like I wish were there's developments are directly on the west since two thousand five and then decades of Unix before before that, you can't go from scratch to full blown away at this point that can compete at the high end. But at the same time, it's a very rare situation where we're company will be able to use Android. Sherry, not injury ASAP in attempt to compete against Android as Amazon is trying to do right now, in limited markets, I, I don't think someone's going to come out of nowhere and starting new us in the short term, but the, the what has to be overcome to build an OS Anna community is much bigger than just building a community and using the O S P O S as your base. Fair. I mean it's fair. Yeah. I mean you need you need the support of the developers, you need, you know, like you can't, you know, let's, let's say that they're gonna fast track this OS development and I'm gonna roll it out, it needs that apps, and he's functionality needs to work. You know, do you know how do you, convince, you know, Facebook to roll out of version of what's after work on project? Z. I don't know that you can if this true ban than US companies can't produce platform, so that ends up being really bigger. All right. Yeah. I mean obviously, this is one of those stories that's going to have a long arc to it right now is just kind of the beginning, the hall, I won't. It's not even the beginning. This has been going on for a decade like literally, this was set in motion, a decade ago in a number of different ways. And it's just now reaching this point some of the some of the verbiage on the hallway side is that is that they expected it. They like waiting for. They were waiting for this to happen. Well, yes. In the actually some articles that we, you know, from, like, even a year ago, they while way was explicitly saying, yes, we are developing an alternate OS in case things go down where we can't use Android anymore. That's the specific reason why they were developing a project z to begin with. So they saw this as a potential. And hey here we are. They're smart. You know real quick before we get to our, our first ad here. I thought this, this next story was pretty interesting. Ron, I know it has it has your name written all over it. Yeah. Had you and I was I was so excited to see it come up with a run because, you know, we are we are right on the on the. Leading edge of the foldable revolution. You know, like it's, it's, it's I can feel the wind is coming changes coming upon us. And one of them that we've been waiting for is the rumored motor modo razor, the impossibly thin kind of design that we saw a foldable, Motorola phone using the old razor brand. Well, Lenovo shared a video at a press event to show off renders of the as yet unannounced folding, Moto razor phone, and we were all shocked to see this, but except the video they showed was actually a fan made render video, and you could see the clock widget in the video, clearly, shows, a quote, unquote concept by, at what car con HD, the name of the person who did these. Renders. W A, Q, R, K H, h d it shows that a couple of times in the in the in the video that they showed and a separate watermark, had been cropped out of the video that they showed, and the greater of that renders. Mission was never requested or granted for them to show that which begs the question, why on earth would Lenovo use a fan video render to show press, what is working on and pass it off as their own. I don't understand like that is. That is a weird. So weirdly even one plus wouldn't do that. It's, it's very strange and this all lead friend of the show, Ron Madeo to question, whether the modal razor, even exist at all, as I mentioned, you know, the, the designed docks that we've seen so far from it show it to be a possibly thin, and that Lenovo is too weak compared to Samsung while away in apple and Lenovo has never actually confirmed that the rays are actually exists. So the fact that they're showing a fan made render to show what they're working on doesn't instill. A lot of confidence that a foldable razor is in our future. Although I really hope this is this is some sort of weird sleight of hand, we want to believe. Yes. Can I ask you a question that hopefully somebody can answer? This is not the only league we've seen though we saw that Li a few weeks, back in April of the packaging, the supposed- packaging and the marketing materials of the, of the retail arrangement of the Moto razor, the new one. So is that a fake? To that was on slash -ly. Does anybody knows that? Yeah. I was that because if that's exposed to be, you know, another fan made thing that just that just got passed off, as genuine league, then I think we're in trouble. I do disagree with Ron's position that Lenovo is not enough of an innovator that, that, that we could ever believe that something like this could come from them. I mean I just crazy. Foldable PC from them, you know, and they've done the yoga book and all this Lynn ovo does some, some crazy, cool stuff. So I could see them building this house is there mold division from there PC division, though, 'cause I know there used to be a fair mouth up regime between the two is that still doing the more intimate now, I don't know they used to make really cool phones, and Motorola now that you know that they don't make as many cool phones, but the division makes a lot more money now too. So I think Novo's influence there is significant now. I had missed the, the, the press shot here. I can April the press renders. I'm looking at it now. But I don't see anything to bunking them. Right. Right. That's the hard thing. I mean anytime it's like leaked render it literally could be anybody. Get out, I suppose, but it could be it's a leaked render. I leaked it. So. Specify leagues. I leaked it from personal collection my own. Yeah. There it is view click that image. It'll it'll full there you go. I mean, this is obviously not real because no pro product packaging would look like that. But okay. But look at this for a second, and look at the device itself, and device that medicine. Yeah, like what kind of batteries going in that, like, I don't know. The last half a day from that perspective. It really does kind of seem seem impossibly thin. Like, I don't know is the chin where the battery would be an went so is that enough to power advice like that for the entire day. I don't know. I'm necessarily remember the I mean, going back to well way, the, the made X when you open it up, that's a really thin phone. I mean it's that seems impossible. Yeah. And, you know, with the fold still laid up on the on the, you know, in, in drydock getting refitted. And then the maid X maybe never landing with Android, the Motorola's, our last hope for a really great Twitter, nineteen folders. I hope it's real to know. I really wanted to be real don't give me wrong. I really want it to be real. I think it looks really cool. And when it folds all the way out, then you're like, okay. That looks like you know, it goes from folded. It looks like the old school razor unfolded. It looks like a phone. It looks like today phone with, with a little fat chin, but we'll, we'll forgive it for that. And cause I say if. Comes with a looks like a plastic coating on the on the display. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Runaways. Runaway this landfill, so weird to me though, because I mean, what are you gaining from this fold yesterday, potentially gain a little bit protection from scratch close, but you're also getting less protector scratch lines open and adding a ton of mechanical complexity for what benefit here with the other fallings phones, okay? You get larger screen knowing you need it in the smaller screen when you don't hear I guess you could maybe pack a little bit smaller with politics. Steve. I'll tell you what we're getting with this design. We are returning to the ability to affectively hang up angrily on someone has. Ever since the emergence of the smartphone, you've never been able to go find goodbye. Right. You know, now, I can close that I can close that foldable phone. Hang up on someone that I'm angry how that so satisfying. Hippo Jack hike sees. Yes. Yeah. Good old fashioned bake lite. All right. We'll, we'll hold our breath in and wait for the Motorola razor redux to happen. You know, maybe it will. All right. Let's take break. Thank the sponsor, and then we'll get back and talk about more hardware, apparently hardware snuck into the main news segment. But, you know, there's a lot of hardware, this week, this episode of all about Android is brought to you by gram early. I love Gramley. I use it every single day when I'm typing because I just get the recommendations and it helps me sound better. My writing reads better to ever receives it. It makes me sound well let's say a little bit smarter than I am. 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But while we're lamenting, the demise of wow, way and the mystery of the motor razor, we, we should not ignore the fact that actual phones exists in the marketplace, and they're being announced every day such as the Acis then phone six which was announced. So all you ace's fan boys that have been waiting for this phone. It's got a six point four inch f HD plus LCD display with eighty three point eight percent screen to body ratio, no notch. Got a Snapdragon eight fifty five with six ram and one hundred twenty gigs storage, or a gig ram two hundred fifty six gig storage forty eight megapixel standard camera and a thirteen megapixel one hundred twenty five degree ultra-wide camera that flips from back to front of the phone. Gotta love that somewhat of the Samsung. Galaxy eighty I love a wacky camera. The same Sony, I x five six sensor, as the one plus seven pro it does have a headphone Jack and a Mike St. slot. It's the rear fingerprint sensor USB. Smart kiss assistant button that can be reassigned. Five thousand mill and battery with eighteen watt fast charge only USB to that. Oh, unfortunately, Android as running, Android, nine and starts at four ninety nine with no. Release date. Yet and Michael, you had some time with this new. Yeah. The play this phone. What do you think of it? I did I got about twenty or fifteen minutes with it? Thanks to Michael Josh Villanueva. Gadget match. We were hanging out New York, so winter, full review, fifteen minutes, full review when is it? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Around it. Yes, I got I think it is super impressive, and I have not been able to say that about an Acis phone in quite some time. Yeah. Should pack and all that stuff at a projected four ninety nine price point for for US pricing and to release it here. I mean, and of course, you know, I'm a little bit biased in terms of the work, I do use the selfie camera a lot for work, you know, it and four. Yeah. Re and pleasure. But, you know, being able to flip around the primary and use that as your selfie camera. And when one of those primary cameras is a wide angle. I mean, the, the possibilities are just just wide open to you. And that's a great innovation. I really liked that actually, I think that's because I hate to facing camera, because I never use it. And but every now and then, you know, my sister's like semi picture of you in the babies, and like what are you, so you need to use it, but having no notch. And having the camera flip up top. That's really innovative. I like that one hundred. Percent. And also, you it it's it's often overlooked with this phone, but you can steer that camera module so you don't have to settle for like, oh, it's on the backer. What's on the front, you can put it at any setting degree setting you want between those two positions. So if you're walking down the street and using Google or something like that, or you're, you know, you're trying to get a, a sneak shot at a wedding, where you don't want you wanna candidate you don't want people to know like you can just move that camera module, however you want. And that's awesome. Does it do the one plus seven pro thing where if you drop it, it goes, and does actually, I think I read that it does just don't quote me on that. It better, dang it because once I realized the one plus seven pro did that I thought every popout camera needs to do that. Because listening in the world. Hundred percent. I had no idea until suddenly I did, and it changed everything. Did you get the chance to play around at all with the galaxy eighty because I know it had kind of like a mechanism for the for the cameras went. Oh, cool. I have not played with that, and I but it looks amazing. I would very much like those leaks to be true about the note, ten having that same mechanism because I want to play with that. Yeah. I mean Seuss phones, I kind of kind of feel like they kind of dropped a little bit off my radar because I stopped expecting goodness out of the, you're expecting something different or whatever. And there's been a lot of excitement about this. A lot of people. I've read a lot of people going, oh, well, one, one, plus gets out of this price range of Seuss's there to sweep. Right in and take over, you know, so when you're not looking they while you with some good design. I think that's, that's, that's a good way to re- to grab attention and Michael to your point, that price point is great. I mean, we were talking earlier about the pixel. Three at the little, I really think the mid range, lower price point going back to the, the three ninety nine four ninety nine price range is the way to get more people on, on on board onto a platform. I think the thousand dollar phone people are tired of it one hundred percent. And also one thing as also deserves credit for is the is eliminating the one of the things that kept me away from them for a long time, that dumb software layer, they had, like I could not get the cr- thick manufacturer skin. And now it's just basically stock its stock with, you know, a couple add, ons, like, like, Motorola does which I prefer. Just saying, you gotta wonder if they're looking at, Motorola, and see what they're doing with their success with the G line and seeing that, you know, it just as close to the stock, Android as possible, just it works. Let people use it while them on the phone design in device one hundred percent. Different. Sorry. No. It's almost like as one well. It's like it could be fantastic. It's got great price amazing barely, which Acis has been working on for quite a while by your battery kidding top line processor, and an absolutely massive camera sensor front facing camera. If a if Google camera mon- works here. This could be possibly the best Celtic ever on the market. I am a camera model wouldn't work on here. I think it probably not probably sure. Match it. Yeah. I think it should which case could be absolutely amazing. Yeah. I am a little anxious about moving camera ages. I know a long time ago it was a big problem on the opo finds little Walter n one thing, Chris, I think we'll find x. Around the same time as the original one plus a year before. Then they had a, a phone with a reversible camera. I think it was the end one and I know that was horrible for durability. So it's still that's left. A little bit of a bad taste in central's that hopefully these new poems will be more durable and we'll be able to not have the same issues and also I mean, there's also concerned about cases I usually get cases on my phone's with a moving camera like that it can be hard to find a case that will fit and good price, good protection. So we'll, we'll have to see what comes out in that way. I completely forgot about the app. Oh, and one that was back in two thousand thirteen was. I wanted one so bad, and I'm so glad to see that idea coming back around because again like settling for a subpar selfie cameras something that almost every phone does. Yup. And not having to do that. Now, assuming these cameras are in good, which they appear to be Michael Jackson, took a few sale as they look fine. You know, give me give me a while to verify that in the real world when I get a unit. But, like I what a great idea. And now great to see it offered at sub one thousand dollar price point to your Pierpoint Jason round excuse. That's okay. You can attribute all the wonderful police to me. We're practically twenty. Past here. Was that? Yeah. They're like you. With the hardware navigation. But in I don't think those are hard. Scott. Passive but hardware. Yes. Not onscreen. Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, we've come a long way. Totally and did that rotating, camera on the N was that a manual rotation like you use your finger to flip it over to the other side, I imagined so right? Like it didn't automatically do it. I it was motorized. I believe, so. Oh. Got the breaking. Yeah. Those are kind of the reports that have have left me with this legacy thinking around anything mechanical smartphone. The one plus seven pro is admittedly, the first phone that I've actually spent an extended amount of time with that had some sort of mechanical aspect to it with a camera and I'm not using now I'm using the three but I was pretty confident in it. I think I think ultimately though really goes back to we own these phones for decent amount of time. They are highly susceptible to something, bad happening, the drop it in the sand at the beach, and it gets in the hinges, or drop it on the ground and the cameras sticking out. You know, hopefully pops in when you do that. So I just I just see those point of a potential weakness, but they are very cool, and it's a great way to give people what they think they want, which is the business front resolution display love it. Display. Seven people asked me about all the time. It's just that display. Oh my God. People would stop what phone is that. And I'm like this never happens with a rectangle happened with old, but it never happens anymore with I gotta get my. I gotta get my hands. Seven pros man. I've already had one person. Who knows I'm on the sixty seven just came out. Well, I don't really guess grain a little bit here. But I personally don't believe the benefit of the bills. I I understand that. It's extremely popular in the new thing, and that of Reno, personally, okay with having a having a Coyote or having a battle for the camera or something that I. Okay with that little extra couple years, lost potential screen space. I mean, going back to what we were talking about before we got into the news, three a has a chin here Lemieux swipe away messages. But it has it has forehead and chin. And it doesn't bother me at all. It's not something that I look every single time I look at my phone I go all I can't believe I'm doing this to myself. Really must hate myself because I've got a four chin on my phone. I don't think about it all the same goes for my three excel with the Nacho there, although I do good job of hiding it. But yeah, like for me the they're invisible to me in any daily use. So I think you're right to certain degree at the same time also think as Lewis phone when you have one and you're using it looks pretty pretty awesome. So, but it's definitely not just agreeing with somebody on Twitter who's complaining about. I think it was been at night. If I was complaining about having a lot of accidental inputs when reaching across the display of seven. Pro because of edge detection issue or not excuse me. You know, Palmer action and I am having the same problems. Nevertheless. I am just such a function of form over function guy when it comes to this kind of stuff that I'm like, yeah, I'll take it a live with those problems. If I can have a display that just looks like that, because it just makes me drool so get. Yeah. All right. We're going to move onto well, topic that was once very popular in the past. Do you remember when they on on Google ass? The sunglasses attachment. Lassen my, my garage over the weekend. I was like, oh, I got to bring that in these Google apps are definitely on topic. I'm not just bringing this out, so that we can remember how dorky we all looked new Google glass enterprise edition to has been revealed. Oh, sorry. Oh, you wanna see how dorky they are close there. See and then the glasses. I thought this was kind of. You take. Kind of broken. I don't know what happened in storage. The kind of snapped a little bit anyways. These are not the story. Apparently, there is a new version of glass enterprise edition to is revealed with a Snapdragon are one ship, which is better than what was rumored, which was that it would have Snapdragon, seven ten better support for a and computer vision for whatever wants to do in glass with that. Eight twenty million power battery up to eight hours SBC for fast charging an eight megapixel camera up from the potato five megapixel camera that was on there before also seven twenty p video support. But the same six forty three sixty prism display. But will support bluetooth five WI fi five and also now this, I'm not sure if this is the older the new. But if you scroll up, they have the picture of the newish version, that looks just like a regular pair of Lassus. And I think that might be an option if I'm not mistaken. Or maybe that's just what they look like now but nine hundred ninety nine dollars. If you have to get one Ron. Half to get one. I know you have to. This kind of rogue me the wrong way to be honest. Not not the glass itself, the chip. One. It's a custom chip for Google glass. It's a I think ten Ademir chip. That's not abusing ADL's really is just dead platform forward. Senate reality device, which is why it's called extra one. And I understand that Qualcomm really pushing hard game to extended reality, and be the top chipped for their and have everyone on their platform, and have everyone using their MPU's and all that type of stuff. But at the same time, it's a custom chip for an extremely limited market. And at the same time, we're being told that the best that can be done for smart watches is twenty eight nanometer a seven course, one twelve mid range as the best available star watches, give me a seven nanometer, four core, a fifty five chip with good bluetooth, and all those extra NPS types of you would have mar- watch. That is absolutely top of the pack right now, in terms of hardware, it would be probably sell quite a few more units than this device. Go sell okay? It's not in reality, which combs, really? In a tube but still is in wearables. It's still is in Penology that has potential transportation's beyond with currently doing it would be a game changing for any non Samsung in on apple smart watchmaker, and there's complete radio. Silence. I know Ron was talking, same thing. And I'm sure other people are as well. It's. A bit ear. Hang to see to be honest. I'm happy you're onto share that. Because I yeah, I was not very. Educated in the ways of the Snapdragon are one ship only that it was better than Snapdragon. Seven ten in some ways. But that's, that's a really interesting point. I'm I'm really curious to be honest, how successful the Google glass. Enterprise thing is is Google like. I don't give the impression that it's that is huge success, but they're continuing to rate. So there's that but what I wanna do. I wanna see the case studies. I wanna see the, you know, the biotech, firms or the or whatever manufacturing or whatever, you know, enterprise business that is utilizing these in the field, and how they're how they're using them. Yeah. That's the only way to get a sense of that. Right. Because like you can't see you can't see them anecdotes out in public like you can like you could with glass one or with any phone or any smartwatch watches like these, these things in enterprise are like used in the lab or used in the operating theatre or used wherever, and then they're put into a locker at the end of the day. And you never see them out in the real world. Yeah. So I can't speak for glass and self 'cause I haven't seen much of that in real world by an costly game pitched on a are devices for use in manufacturing environments, help help with the inventory tracking and help with a whole bunch of other things long. Those. Lines, but they're usually tabbies. They're not usually glasses based on all you saying that the users wearing. They're usually, hey, we'll give your employees tablets carry around for cheap and they can tagged things go along. And check to make sure that the manufacturing going one properly, or check mature, the tomatoes don't have something wrong with them, just by around tablet with them and a bunch of Cubbies pushing this by haven't seen it's make that leap into glasses, if going to who will betting that's going to at least, and I wouldn't be surprised if it does. But they're going to be selling a lot yet. I think position themselves to sell what later, potentially so because they were they were there. That's you gotta give them credit for that. All right. Samsung was there on with full it were. And listen. I just can't get enough of foldable technology or leaks, apparently but remember, remember the galaxy fold and that hold the buckle. We talked about it for, like three weeks straight, well Samsung promised to make changes the device in and those changes have now leaked. So the leaked information about the galaxy full changes include that the layer that looks like the screen protector will be integrated into the body, preventing the ability to peel it back, which he really got to wonder how that even. Even on the table. Also, providing more warnings for users, the leave that layer alone. Hope you don't need to use the phone around the large warning that says, do not feel layer. Also, the hinges being fixed to prevent objects from coming in and getting lodged behind the display, which I think is a fair, you know, like in the field they found. That's a problem and they needed to fix that. And prototypes for testing in Korea with no word on when to expect a release, but Samsung is still committed to the foldable design. They're trying to they're trying to fix those problems. I don't know. We'll see if they can do Michael, do you think the Samsung fold is just the dead in the water after that the buckle? Or do you think they can recover from that? I think they can recover from it. I think if anything, if people have demonstrated anything it's their ability to either forget or forgive or, or both. I mean Samsung, obviously tired examples, the note seven we've Boeing right now you know with this seven thirty seven maximum. Boeing ready came back from a massive problem with lithium ion batteries catching on fire as part of a triple seven issue, or seventy seven can't remember, which I can't remember which people people if the thing is cool enough, people will forget, and they'll buy once it's fixed this thing is going to sell just as fine as it would. What's that? Even with these delays in may be the first major one hit the market, while the western markets linoleum. Oh, who knows outs? Seriously may still be I. Which is crazy. Because everyone was speculating that part of the reason it went out the door with these defect in it is because Simpson was rushing didn't want to be beaten by while way or possibly, Motorola. So I mean okay. This is playing Monday morning quarterback if they had just waited. Right. Wouldn't have been a problem. Right. Right. Motorola would have leaked and realized it was a fraud, and they pretty yeah. Well, I'm sorry is how close while ways foldable is to even even being released. Even if all this other stuff wasn't happening. Simultaneously? Are there any are they actually of thread, or worthy actually threat to beating Samsung to market now? They're definitely not. But I'm not entirely convinced that they were. I love it. Bring on the foldable. All right. Let's bring on our next bouncer as well to let's we're going to WordPress, responsiveness episode of all Android, and I want to know what would you do? If you could do anything literally sky's the limit you can do anything. 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And you know, hopes to be the next big, augmented reality success behind, what we saw Pokemon go Bill basically within here, the idea is they kept kind of throwing shade from, from the different reviews that I read about how like previous a was fake AR camera pass through. Here's a random objects that's that's here, but it's not tied into the location while the idea, here is that you could build creations Minecraft and then place them in real locations around the world for others to arrive at and discover and interact with so everyone. That's there could see all the others in the virtual space avatars. They can all manipulate the objects that are there, build. You know, build new creations, maybe throw, you know, throw animals or whatever into the scene, and whatever. But the idea being that these things would kind of interact with the, the surroundings in a way that's a little bit deeper than what we see with polka mongo. And I know it sounds really cool. I mean Minecraft it's kind of a big deal. So I could see this being a huge success Android. In Iowa spoke platforms, of course they'd be crazy not to do that. But what do you guys think Minecraft fans, do you think this is the right use of AR for gaming? What do you think? I am neither devout user of AR, nor nor am I in craft fan I look forward to more innovation in the space. Michael doesn't care. Okay. Ron. I think this is great. I love the I love the, the possibilities of a are, and the Minecraft, the user, the user base of Minecraft is enormous. I mean, if anything is going to challenge Pokemon go could be Minecraft, because Pokemon go, it feels that there was a whole generation phone users that we educate on a our and educate, on phones, and stuff like that, to get them to use it. Whereas mine craft it's the generation that grew up on the stand game, you know, and, and, and it's going to be, and it's important I feel like whenever you mentioned Minecraft to remember that my is owned by Microsoft, and really got to wonder how much of the -nology leverage from hololens and all the stuff that they've been doing. You got imagine that some synergy there. So this is really, really curious. You don't even have to imagine it. They worked really closely with the Holland's team on this, and they're using open street, maps from data. They're using the Azure spatial anchors for tracking players data so to a certain degree. This is also a demonstration a way of showing off kind of Microsoft's technical prowess, on something like this, and I think all is a big big part of that. Stephen are you excited are you. The Minecraft player in, in our group. I don't play mine craft but I'm portion. The target demographic. As you're saying, I think the difference in demographics may actually help them especially since as times progress. Hopefully, they'll be able to do the whole scaling up to meet the demands a little bit better as does a great job with Gil ability. And I think if they're actually putting the right behind, this could properly handled of Mike at the level that it would presumably have from its target market. I curious what they're going to do with, if it gets overcrowded though, you think they're gonna do multiple world's like? That's all assuming the massive success. But if it gets to that point, I, I see that happen. What happens over time, do things decay and drop away to make room for other things? That's cool. That's a good idea though. And you'll see that in the more populated. Metro areas like Seattle, New York, the bay area and stuff like that. But if you're playing this game in Wisconsin betcha there's a chance that you could Minecraft your whole town and no one else. Works both directions. But I like the idea of a decaying aspect and someone's going to come in and rebuild it. That's really cool. Credit. You're welcome. Microsoft. That's that's freebie. Well in a completely different direction. A very antiquated browsers hitting the market. Finally, the official tour browser for Android has now released in the play store. The alpha version was released eight months ago for public testing where I believe we talked about on the show Jason. Yeah. And it's based on vox version, sixty five hundred sixty I it's the first fully integrated package, and before this you needed or about to connect. Now that's part of the browser. And that's what we talked about when the alpha rolled out that you needed or Bod and you needed to establish a tunnel, then use the tour browser, and now it's all integrated into one. And so if you want to, to protect your privacy and what you're searching for a tour browser is a favourite of everyone. So now it's available on on Android is pretty pretty cool. So. Talk about the Internet Explorer, refresh rate. They four rewrite rewrites, edge also chromium. Wow. I yes this is good. Good news for anyone who, who I guess the tour browser, I don't know if I've ever been on the onion network like I just know that it's I know that slow for good reason. But that's I know about it. So, so there you go. I, I, I fish version, we probably stole that from someone's pick from the arena. They wanted to check it out. They could still use it. We have an Email from Dominic from Poland. Who says my first question has to questions? My first question during Google. They were talking about settings that will allow us to delete, some information after three or eighteen months will be available on phones with Android queue or on previous versions, also are maybe even on desktop computers. In the answer, there, is that this from what I understand has nothing to do with Android. Specifically this is kind of Google counts as a whole would be done through Google settings. This is. Not Android specific. But a second question is, what kind of information will be deleted, if I choose to remove them after three months, will this be my search history, locations or something else? And the answer there is right now. I think once it launches and I think it's coming soon like within the next coming weeks. You'll have these controls at launch it's going to allow you to do this with location history with web activity with Abakaliki and that's to begin with, there is the possibility for more data points to be controlled in this method down the line. But I think it's a good move for Google to give more access to automated data, trimming or whatever they wanna call it. I don't know how many people are going to, to know about it, and turn it on. But, you know, maybe holding onto our data for the utilize that we get out of Google services, maybe three months is enough, and then it's kind of the best of both worlds, right? We're not keeping our entire digital lives necessarily. In their hands that we know of we're getting rid of some of it, but still that allows for certain things to be tailored, and personalized, you know, within three months or eighteen months. I don't know that seems like a good good, reasonable balance to me, more options better when it comes to security, right. Good to see this take steps. To give you options to remove. Remove the data from the profile. But I as I mentioned on the panel, I'm not sure what they mean by delete. They haven't been very explicit. Are they saying deleted deleted, as in the data is completely gone, which I doubt? Or deleted as in it's no longer types your profile or something else entirely. I would like to see a little more clarification on that. And I have a feeling it's not going to be what people may be assuming this, but it may not be bad. Either it maybe just be somewhere in between. Yeah. That, that makes me wonder when a company says, we'll delete your data will delete your information. If you request it. Are they legally bound to that claim you know what I mean? Like they say you know you requested deleted. Sure. We'll delete it I in my head. I just think. Yeah. Right. Like they're going to get rid of this valuable data. But maybe they're legally bound to if, if, if they offer it customer says, yes, please delete it or maybe they have in their terms of service, or whatever, and very, very small written portion. That actually details, what's actually happening to as deleted from your view versus actually deleted from from all of their systems. You know, I'm not really quite sure I'm pessimistic in this regard, based on what was though, for most people purposes deleting any linked to your account is enough for most people. Not what people may be thinking of when they hear deleting the data. Yeah. But four. Lost, and heroes that actually would be enough because if it's truly any link to you, then there's no link to you. It's not in theory, at least. Yeah, because of forced anonymous nation can be tricky to do probably times, but. There could be happy middle ground that they've found like I'd like to see more about what they're actually doing whether plans are, and how they're handling the data and although stuff. Yeah. Sitter, minded, these Google, this one time, please. Let's take a break. Thank the sponsor and that we're going to get into the arena and show, you four apps that you're going to install all them, and you're going to think us because they're all awesome. And you won't know what to vote for. 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If you went to twits dotty, oh slash a poll for two zero and place, your vote, many of you did. And it looks like AI cuts. Wow. That was flows out winds. Thirty seven percent. Do it later, text message automated. That was yours. Ron second place. Almost thirty one point zero one percent shy of thirty four percent. Mine was sixty four plus f z, the Nintendo, sixty four emulator was around fifteen and a half percent. And then zombies run was our guest submission by Adrian and that came in last place at almost thirteen percent. So the those apprising results lead to drama in the standings. Flow might not be here. But her lead her first lead is now sixty points, she's rocketed. She just comes and goes pleases them she comes she wins. The guests are in second place, defending champions. Guests in second place, the forty nine points and Jason guess what we got a little. We got a little tired, her hands. You and I are all tied up at thirty nine point. So while flow is nearly double our point total. I have been I've climbed out of the basement, and I'm looking passage. And. Since we're doubling guests today. Do we get to a little team battle instead of these free free? That's a good question. How's that work out? Out. There were two guests. There was some judgement of points, something like that. I maybe not. I'm not sure how to how it's going to go. But if both guests win let's just say that's really good for team guests. Someone figured it out. Exactly. We appreciate those, those figure it out. I think maybe county figures that out anyways. Okay. I think since we start with the loser of the hosts you go, even though you didn't lose you. I, I. All right. So mine's pretty quick one. It's also a pretty low install. I think it's pronounced faira. S. P. H E, R A. And this is a wallpaper app, but is based around maps, and I just, like what it comes up with. So we'll go ahead and go here I'll go ahead. And search location, let's do a search for. I don't know just pick a place at random Petaluma California, and we'll go ahead. And search it takes me to that place that random fictitious place on a map and there you go. What do you know that's Petaluma? But it does this cool kind of like layering, or like stylized thing of it, and you have all these different presets that you can kind of go down. I mean, you've got your, your normal one which is kind of like the satellite view and everything that you might get through Google maps, but it has all these other year. Let me turn down the Brighton maternal the brightness a little, just I don't know if they can. If that shows it off any better, whatever it has all of these different ways to style is what you're looking at here. I'll just go jump to a different location here. There we go. We got a lot going on there. And you know, you've got the things that look pretty normal for for your wallpaper. But you can also kind of, like you know, there are presets that will include street, names and location. We're looking at Prague right now, there are some of them that are just more like cool color combinations. No taxed kind of look, almost neon really pop out and everything. And I, I kind of like the way that it works just find a location that you really like the, the look of, and you can save it to your device, and then you could set that is your wallpaper and just kind of a cool way to really create your own wallpapers on the fly based on geographic location. And like I said, there are a number of different locations here, now we're going to jump. To some random place. Is this the apple spaceship is that with that is it looks like it? Yeah. Well, it's like two different maps, though when zoom out, you see the old. And now you see the new. Are you seeing through the cloaking field? That's all it is I see. Oh, wow. This is a really powerful apps faira more powerful than even I imagined. It's really cool. Cool way to go about it. You see all the street names on this one and go ahead. Zoom out and see a little bit more. And if you like if you are a locations fan than you will love VERA for your backgrounds and your. Wallpapers. S. P. H A E R aid is ninety nine cents. Like I said, lo installs on this one. I think five hundred plus so, you know, you'd be doing the developer, a solid by installing sphere on your phone and great work on the development of the app. All right. That is that Stephen? Why don't we go with yours next sure thing. Sure thing. To show off. I'm bringing back old favorites. I'm bringing hangers Rina. It's a APPA has previously one however within the last couple of weeks received a complete rewrite so there's no completely written in flutter and Kotlin. And the developer actually gave a great talk on the whole process of the rewrite in the history of it's just a couple days ago at GD Tronto Android, which is available on YouTube. If sewing wants to go check it out. And so this is a completely open source app. It's fos, it's GPL V three licensed. It's available for anyone to contribute to it. And what it does is it brings power toggles essentially to any device. It's a so if you pull down the notification panel, it'll. Because I've got do not disturb on. Right. Because I know show. So gimme a second. Make sure that. It's all good. No, no. So it gives you a quick access to wherever apps you want. You can pin apps there. You can sit ups just automatically picks based on what your recent apps, are you can sip to wait it. Based on wish you are most really go into it's incredibly customizable. There's tons of stats, and therefore which after using so that you, can you can quickly see how much you're actually spending in apps. It's extremely smooth. Looks nice and the poor. She is not yet available in the new form on the play store. This is still the updates if water, colonists still beta. So the play store has the old version with pre flutter and pre call. If you want to test out the new version, you have to go to get hub and download it directly. Silat it, but it will be on the place or very soon. Yeah, it looks really nice. And I'm trying to remember because this was what was the episode? It was it was back in twenty thirteen if I'm not mistaken is. This actually is developed by. I actually don't know the initial launch today but it's been on for a long time. It's got hundred thousand downloads, four point two stars, it's been around for quite a while. It's been one of the best ways of having cross platform, I released on the place in two thousand fourteen one of the best ways of having. Power toggles essentially on device, you want to quickly get into the of your choice and accident from anywhere really love it. It's really nicely designed for, for the user, I'm curious from your perspective. So you said, flutter and Kotlin redesign, essentially for the user, are they going to notice a difference, or is this, like, is it going to operate fasters at more like, so it's unfortunately, it is a little bit larger as using water and modern architecture components all that stuff. That stuff runs incredibly smoothly gives you. It's the gives the access to bunch of new statistics under some additional functionality that the developers currently working on that hasn't quite launch. And it's, it's a really nice tool, and really customizable to awesome. And I imagine this new version of hangers gonna hit the play store at some point it hasn't yet. So if you wanna get right now you can find it on get hub, you can find it look for mimic mobile. You can find the new hangar version. They're on get cool love it. Yeah. Hammers is a great app, and it was good to see it again. I think we're kind of toying around with this like we've been doing this for so long. Sometimes apps reemerge in the arena. We're like, what are the what are the requirements in bringing back? And really, I think we'll Ron and I have determined is, you know, amount of time. Yes, is one one. Aspect of it. But also has it changed significantly enough to bring back in. I think this -absolutely qualifies so hanger, is what you should look for and update soon in the play store, as I mentioned, if you're interested in learning a little bit about the history of hanger, and actual development process, self checkout, the talk on GD Toronto injured YouTube channel. It's the fantastical talk goes into the whole history of power talk goals, and how the process of moving from traditional enter Kobe's to call linen. Flutter how the whole thing went through and the difficulties of doing split. Cartland flutter coding and a bunch of other stuff for developers. Awesome, check that out. All right. Michael have your install to tell us about it tastic as always y'all outdone me, but I rather, like one a lot. This is. Called abstract, and it is at first glance appears to be one of numerous innumerable, wallpaper apps, you can find in the store, but I found out through Alex Dobie my colleague Android central that this is actually an app of full of wallpapers all from one artist that artists multidisciplinary designed director illustrator ham Olsen, who has been making well papers for one plus phones since the one plus two, we talked about one of the top of the show, the these wallpapers have been great for just years and years. So regardless of what Android phone you have you can just download this app. Grab any of those while papers that has made for one. Plus, he's also worked on so many things he's worked for the wallpapers for paranoid, Android. For a lot of the I think some of the oxygen west under his resumes, just exceedingly long. And once you've settled on a look that you like, if you wanna go pro I think it costs. Ninety nine cents or something like that. It just hit set. While paper it sets to your home screen boom, works just like backdrops or like wall rocks. But in this case, Saul from the same artist at a fairly. I mean they're not minimal, but they're comparatively minimal compared to a lot of, of other ones. You'll find out there, they don't really get in the way of what you're trying to the device and kit, you know, give it the vibe that you, would you would have had to buy a one, plus phone to achieve so abstract from hamp, Olsen ABN, not a lot. There you go. I love it. Those authors are witness to see they always had fantastic designs. It's equation to get those on the smart devices. Yeah. Right. I was surprised that, you know, the kind of curation was at play here. Good Fram this artist really knows his style. Indeed. Yeah. Very consistent very consistent. I mean but super super interesting. It's, it's like I want to know the formula. I wonder what is the forming? What is your what is here? Wrangle here because actually is site talks a lot about if tap on that thing in the upper right there that kind of that, I con you get a little bit of background and him then you can go to his site, and just kind of learn all about the how is history and art and stuff like that. So it's kind of cool. You know, you don't really have that kind of relationship with Google image search that you just typed in, you know, Star Trek beyond wallpaper and downloaded it an applied it, you know, I'm going to see if I can get him on the show. That'd be an interesting awesome to hear from behind that. If you're watching listening figure out some way to reach you. The store probably has addressed contact contact us on his website. Yeah. All right on. Recluse that only comes out via wallpaper. Or maybe he's the guy. Paranoid over that'd be amazing. Well, I mean, that's awesome less. Interesting. JD's Allender type. Cool. Thank you. Paper that just says, no. Thank you. That's great. And you know what? That would that would be my wallpaper going forward. That would be an honor to be honest. All right. Cool. That's great app. Obstruct. All right. Ron, you've got the floor. Yes. Love a pretty app. Love a functional app, and I know the audience does love an apt after let's lift the hood of your phone. And that's basically what skit does skit is a new applications manager for your device. That, that basically allows you to look at all of the apps that you use as well as the system functions that use and just happen. Anyone of Jason and what you can do is you can go into it and you can see all the details about that app. How it what version it is where stored all this sort of stuff where the directories that stored in how much memory takes if you scroll back up a little, you can take a look at the permissions, you think the activities and services it uses this is complete. Full analysis of every app on your on your device, an exactly how it works interacts with your phone, and then the piece the resistance as it were. If you tap the action button in the lower. You don't have the action button lowering corner to an SE that you can either open the app, or you can extract the to send to somebody. So if you ever wanted to reverse pull the out, you know, if you wanna get your hands on a on a application from the Google play store from some other source and share it with a friend or do an AP tear down yourself for dive into the code. This is how you can do it. Which is pretty interesting. Yeah, so, yeah. And then, so that's all the athlete information. But then if you back out to the main screen and go to system. Don't go up top up top. Oh system. And this is where you can analyze all the services that are going on and within Android, your Android library. So let's say you scroll back up there, if you really wanted to dive into the calendar now if you really wanted to dive into a core. If you scroll up a little or down, I saw go by there. It is. There's a our core. And you can see exactly what permissions how it works activities. And what's services, he uses and you could also extract the for air corps, which is crazy. So this. So if you want full access, and information about your application, managers, skit not only does it, but does it very, very elegantly. And then Jason actually, if you back out to the main screen, you started looking at the cons down at the bottom, but yeah, you can get some, some information about your phone, exactly all the different applications that are on there, and how much memory they're taking and all that sort of stuff. And then on the other tab, there's just kind of everything else that you that you want. You can support your dad's and get the get the premium version, which has additional support for theme ING and stuff like that to get a little fancier with skit so to forty nine so support. But yes skit, but you go completely under the hood of your apps and get access to them. So there. That is a great pick. And yes, you can buy the questions chat room, you can use skit to remove apps, and Ruth, although be careful, please. Don't don't accidentally remove the. Key key wonder wonder if it would do that, if it was interesting, I'm looking at skit a mine on the systems in the systems have and the fourth one down the Android Easter egg. Oh, I don't know. I don't know if you have that. Oh well, I can extract the PK and send it to you. Yeah. Would you semi these? That would be. So, yeah, but, but, you know, you can remove it. You can remove an app. So if you go if you look at an app hit the action button, you can open it, you can extract it. You can find it Google play or you can delete it. Please be careful. Be careful awesome. That is cool. So four great apps this week, we've got faira hanger obstruct, always wanna say abstract? But that's the point abstract and skit go to Twitter dot T O slash AAA poll four to one and you can vote for your favorite app this week. Choose from any one of those four if you could choose all four, we would let you but alas you have to pick. Victor taking right now. And he cannot pick he is confused on what is the best one because they're all amazing is chooses skit. Thank you for your vote. I think it also helps that you gotta pick an answer. I Victor, we got clarification from way county in the chat room that if one of the guests when I'm sorry, I don't even remember what he said, we figured. Oh put in. Ever ever guests has the highest placing that's the points that they get. That's what it was. Yeah. So way says whichever guests finish highest gets the points. Oh, okay. All right. I think I understand. Okay, there we go. Dot T O slash AAA poll, four twenty one. This is why other people do the point stuff because if it was, I would be confused, and it would never happen because in the end like I don't get it. I broken. Smoke would start pouring out of my ears. That'd be the way that goes, we have reached the end, we made it, we made it through all the wall, way stuff and a whole lot more. And we could not have done it. Without are awesome guests Steven Zimmerman XTA dash developers dot com. Steven, it's always great to get you on the show. Thank you so much for hopping on tonight. Here, right on what do you want people to know? Obviously your your latest work posted within hours of the show. So you might not even know what you're working on next. But what do you want to leave people with? Actually have a follow up to that are may post them there, too. After a little more research before I can go ahead with it excessive get some clarification. I certainly will matter for it. But same, same vein is the Kerr one but yeah, no just follow me on Twitter. You'll see all the new articles. My Twitter is s said, I am ninety two as in Steven them Marin. I am Ninety-two right on Stephen. Thank you again. Really appreciate it. Keep up the great work XTA. Definitely always reading what you guys are doing over there. So we appreciate your time. Thank you. And then, of course Michael, do you prefer to be called Michael, or the Mr. mobile, or just Mr. mobile? The is always kind of weird to say when you're talking. Is is implied right? Well, we know each other. It's always great to be here. I'm sorry. I've been coughing up among these allergies, killing me over how, but yeah I met the Mr. mobile THE MR. And we'll be eilly pretty much everywhere most notably on YouTube. And I just love hanging out with you guys, especially under night where I can actually talk about some of the stuff that's been going on. Thank you for, for having me on such an eventful week boy, absolutely crazy time. And I have to recommend that people go check out that Stevens piece next year because that was really interesting reading right before we went on the air here that, that way piece. So it was a different angle, like we saw a lot of articles and seeing you definitely came out it from a different perspective with kind of a deep knowledge of, of a p and, and everything. So people should absolutely read that. Extra. Dash developers dot com for that YouTube dot com slash the Mr. mobile for Michael's work on YouTube. Got it any hardware that you're working on right now. Three eight review at some point trying to chase down the six, and I'm working on a plan to maybe see what see what five she looks like now that apparently, you know, it works on more than a street corner tuned for that we, we had a story in the rundown, and we had to get rid of it, because we're going to little long, but it was, I would definitely recommend people check out seeing. That's Jessica dole court did kind of a five G review or she went to Chicago and use the Samsung galaxy S ten five G and it was was it was an interesting kind of insight into what we can expect from five G the speeds were super fast at times, but at other times even when she was in line of sight of the of the tower, it would still be pretty slow. And it just kind of really made me realize, like how fickle five G is at this point? And we got a long ways to go, so. Was that the patriotism, kill the she ads? There. No kidding. What five is all about right now all supporting advertising right? Iran, that DJ I camera review recently, they were TGI finally built, a gopro competitor and within a half hour of running at viewers were hitting me up on Twitter to tell me that, hey, I can't watch your video without first sitting through a giant gopro ad. Oh me one bit. That's called targeted advertising. That's exactly right. That's, that's how we live anyways. Thank you. Michael, thank you. Steven really appreciate it. Ron. Thank you, as well. My pleasure. Always good to be here. And I'm very happy to have something to plug that this week was one of the major TV show season series. Finale game of thrones? So we got back behind the mic and finale podcast is back after a couple a couple of months of taking a break to figure out how to have babies. Well, we figured out how babies figure out how to care for babies, but. Carrie, Ann or back she'd carry has never seen game of thrones that we watched the as she tried to tried to make sense of it. So, yes. You can subscribe to it wherever you listen to podcasts, podcasts and listened to our discussion of game of thrones. And. Yeah, good stuff. So they're good timing. Man, everybody's talking about that. Finale. Hey, I might not be great at the podcasting but I do know how to market the podcast. Time, real quick. Before I leave just want to ask you, right? Well, actually, you all probably saw this once upon a time in Hollywood. She got the trailer excited, I'm excited. Tarintino tonight, film. I don't know. No. I'm waiting for him to make a Star Trek film. I'll come out for that. We'll see. We'll see if that happens. All right. Victor. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your help tonight and always. It was fun. You find me on Twitter. I'm here. This is what I do. So or find me on Twitter at Jason how posting as much these days and sorry, but I'm doing my best. We do have a survey here that we would appreciate your input on, if you have a few minutes, it focuses on how you use collaborative software at work. It's very short takes about six minutes of your time. If you go to Twitter T, O slash survey fourteen and let us know what you think we would really appreciate it. Thank you. If you through there. That's it right there. Pretty straightforward survey. So twit dot T O slash survey fourteen that is it for this week? 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Friday Conversation: Los Angeles Sparks GM/coach Derek Fisher meets the media

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Friday Conversation: Los Angeles Sparks GM/coach Derek Fisher meets the media

"Lock on podcast network team every day. Howard mcdonald's follow us on twitter locked onto the dvd. And make sure you're listening to every one of our fantastic and amazing shows do not miss a moment of lockdown women's basketball. Welcome to twenty twenty one and we're going to start off with the conversation that i had along with other media members with derek fisher new general manager and head coach of the los angeles sparks. Enjoy happy new year. Can't wait to share in all the twenty twenty one has to bring us in the world of women's basketball quick common the chat if our audience coming through just to come on all right good. Thank you okay. we are going to get started. Thank you so much for joining media. I'm very very exciting announcements in the in the reorganization of operations department Headlined by amy our head coach. Derek fisher also. The general manager of the la sparks. So so we really thank you for making time today to speak with him. and further do i'll turn it over to derrick give you agree Opening statement and then we will get the questions just like in the season. If you do have a question please. Use the raised hand function and will call equal wrong there This will be recorded and all to as resume some shelter for remembered. I'll bet you. I everyone for taking the time this morning or afternoon. Sean really appreciate just consider where we are right now. In countries around the world with cohen image has been been a year and a lot of ways. Take a call minutes to invest changes within organization while exciting. It happened to be a part of this trump. keep it on a much bigger more on our lives. so overall of your families are and Just look forward to working with you. All as as we push forward get veterans and so Move forward yet so that you would also why should second well to thank our ownership group. You specifically air holloway for continue on this chart that we embarked on the last couple years eric to work with the he the head coach. Fifteen alaska years now. These additional duties as general manager. Already thankful at five forward this way before closely. With ruben. airs this past year. Four us as as a team. And eric self michael fisher weeks. You want a lot of work. Behind the scenes having a ton of conversations nine thousand nine hundred at the start of how twin twenty parody going to bowling while we were there and inches are season. Ended this really. We hortas where we want to go and we realized that you know this is really just cage still early stage of but what. We are just restructuring reorganization. How things the culture there. We want to treat. It's been a process it'll be in a process but you know we're we're hopeful that we can really start move on. The deresh shows be able to go forward in that now. Getting to this place where we can formally announced reorganization fato. Bit more clarity on the roles will told it'll help us internally to be more active and also provides clarity expert for for folks that may have questions or wonder our power trying to address parties that we need to as a team so air holliman will remain involved as he's our governor and job each are far so you'll still have that rolling play. That role has been great to see an owner. That is at an antique business. All also you'll still governor now. He'll not real over. Shaw fixable business at basketball our assistant a real A real treat to to see how it works out more. We've created over the last twelve to fourteen months aired. The first showers here is a great official who general manager for the has been an invaluable pieced to everything that we working towards His expertise in this in the game when it came on chief are important off russell forward miles opponents vice president of personnel. Really show to lead us in. That area are in terms of our understanding the ways you need to plan for contracts and our structures understanding see the work closely together every by. It's fairly strong. He's working really good luck. She's gonna give it to provide force thousand and for myself having the opportunity to extend mkhatshwa Team which. I was already excited out. Also official of general editor for Tweeted counting feed into supporting our players. Supporting these women as they continue to push forward in place in this world sports. Talk all you know we need. We need everybody to whenever they could possibly do to create a better space for our players not women. It's that passion are to be able to have a more hands on role in our vision and it. How want to do notches on the court snows vision for our culture already system the way we want to work together how to collaborate how our players to feel type of players draft the way we develop those players l. Cell are you are international. Prospects are to be in a position to help lead us all of those areas including our staff and full on just to. Es what's your work with s flesh. Whether it's he lied now are a creative artists. Natalie why are focusing on the business side really working hard to expand on really all of us being alive in shared for having to rides ali and all of that should be to our players. Philly is all about them so on just as say here and again wasn't intended to be our to make sure that i shared those who opened it for questions. It can look forward to continue to work. Michael narrator odds helping our team and work with our players more closely. He also says of an opportunity to dive dive in on a deeper way with the help. You deserve more than just being there coach. It is even more so much. Nature players are feeling here with sparks allows them to become a problem to this of who they are as best players and as far swelled so from their trip. Back over to you. Ally wound kelvin for questions address. Median each day so year for Thank you so much. We will go to questions again. We have function to get into the queue. We will start with going the gentry. Your high tells congratulations. Thanks good sign. How was a pipe order for you to retain the core. The net and cancel chelsea with mike litz site nine players after new contracts. Nick seasons is this matters. It is very much a priority for us to retain their core function their performance. Would they put out on the court. Prior to the time. That i've got here haven't ship history that they would even over the last couple of years it into work closely personally women who they are You know fastball qualities charge of integrity off the hold. It is vital that we find a way to make it work. You know the free agents so ultimately it's their choice you know we won't give our goal should be to be able to have carson creation with a provider level of clarity of what our vision is for their type here and how we see being best place for them to forget specifically to finish her career Plan for the sparks sparks. Being able to win more championships. If for necker chelsea as the next phase of their careers their lives Being able to expand upon a great to see that they've already built in in this game stanage founded or here delay so those are our top three priorities. We got much refuses to dry consistency and just feel to compete for championships again or go to or with a phoenician congratulations. Happy holidays thank you. I'm i'm wondering if you can expand tiny on the you're gonna have gone for with michael and what your roles are going to be another gonna on any so there. I know during last offseason. I talk with both of you and you both are complementary of each other seem to imply that you had a skill sets that. Were complementary that gino strain in restraints were in different areas of game in different areas team. I'm wondering if you can just tell us a little bit more about what his role is going to be. An how you two are going to work together to be honest with you. Brady won't chance very much from the desertion that you gave we view this as a collaborative effort and we believe similar to what many businesses and organizations are Painful with a that you know the walls and the titles and the deaths are you know figures symbols for certain things but in reality. We're all work together to be successful. And so we're still going to rely heavily on. Michael steele says the chefs that he brings circle and and finals in any can't complement each other. You should eric hold as well in terms of how we want to build our team players to draft. Michael has a very specific gene out for those aged history. And where you our. We're we're nine eleven titles if anything were data show even more value for that so within a steal work very closely together to be honest with you as well. I think it'll take some time to fireworks right. The australian great thanks to the group. Aw to this team and ultimately we need to agree to do what works for players right whatever process whatever systems are outside the make decisions you know. We need to all work together to fear that out more clearly as he spend more time here but won't change very much in terms of us working to complement each other and do the best. We can for the group if spoken browse over the last couple. Much as we've been getting to this point. Michael barone great place there about how we want to do this for us you know. Find that rhythm and they'll be able to communicate that to you know two teams in agency and everyone says they're clear. But i think entirely forceful for davis host one. Chico treasures are gm fisher. I don't ask you both of those. So i've been i've been doing my own. I guess you call back of the napkin calculations. Where i try to you know. Run down the salary cap with the restrictions that are set league salaries different players. You know then might have to end up burning if they play on the team. How do you go about that. I mean. Have you literally taken out favorites. They'd like old. Maybe this person does this much dispersants. Deflector how do you go about. Processing is because if we had we had the ability to a lot of players would probably be max contracts great question we for sure And terms of nereo planning for different versions of of our roger based on who we can partner with in charge of players that will reside at different amounts church. Salary are and what that will allow us to do in terms of putting a team together to compete for championships. You know that's part of the process. The new salary structure chart not just the total number inserted setter jetta chrissy sliding a little thirty clare. Salaries increased As much of fabrics. And so it really a lot worse if this is what having to make really smart decisions about how this'll sources specific players are able to get. Max attracted seventeen by nineteen trailer. Those days are over for the most part because the massive went out the other cheek so it makes our job harder to your point. We have a number of players that historically in the future mass contract. Edward potential there for some core but similar to other sports. Are there on the court players on demand. Those salaries got to find a way to balance everything else out instill put championship team together. You know obviously for me personally. I'll see you done very well. Wanna be inside as brazil. Why players the big deals are everybody knows steel does really well and it all always fixture itself. The player fullish is on bass trolled so our job is definitely really difficult with the number we have off and we will continue after a nahra scenarios to make sure we find away stranded balance where we are which close with is that kansas necker chelsea today on the declares we've spoken with so far had conversations with probably not a couple of other age all want way and i think they realized that we ever opportunity to do that with this core group. So we'll find a way to make it work. I ought to say because women were very lucky to be having conversations with them out. Go rasiah dared. Thanks dylan this advantage. Well my pleasure. I'm curious and you mentioned Schnee that last injury you obviously ever austrian sounds like you're looking to keep intact at the top whether it's national whether it's kansas or chelsea and show you adding total is in five players the usage rate of about twenty percent. That leaves relatively few shots to go around. I wonder you thought they wants to win. But of course there's also. How do you use a player like that multi all-star somebody with the resonated she has. I'm just wondering how you look at the way she fits in to the coach version of your vision for this team in twenty twenty one. I i love the fish rate for one thing that i think is a strengthen positive of how they are whether agents that are returning or free agents. There will talk there. We want to come and join us. Share basketball play together. Offer players in court are going to have a chance to eat festival and this will be one for players that are coming off offer. The bitch offer young players that have not got a chance to find out more who they who. They are and city weezer tickle british last year christianity. Guay when you come in the gay is gay. Rights should have the opportunity to year so we view that as strength and as far as i know our players really enjoy playing at pacific to snake. I think because of like she enjoy the game off. She's a highest player. Plays with passion defenses. Where she loves i about about her over. I going to help you do that. She doesn't need to go but that's really what she loves to do. I this she rebound basketball. And they're there. She's she's always played with great players from a great program stafford And obviously turn into. Who congratulates her. What becoming the want. All-time still women's history as come from a program that is rich in balance and teamwork everybody working together and then me somewhat even know we'll have players for Which she necker work in some ways stafford so- a day fizi steel perfectly. Well as to a number of players in terms of dallas that we'd like to play the game with the app to try manipulator. Venue faster or convince somebody that if you come to. Nah we're gonna pass. You're going to have to stressful or shots. Because you're on the team with jesper. Straight women play ball. Everybody gets a chance to fessel and the numbers bear that out. Were like that. Tribes go check. Numbers just said l. c. at this equal opportunity as long as to work in. Show us cert. Bring it erica. Congratulations you are. I'm curious like what a learning process has been like in terms of becoming the. What have you have to study. Like how ration- and has been helpful at all to lean on potentially neka They were so instrumental in drying up. And you see. Yeah i own. James guys always always reminding. One teammates credibility justed hansel teen in terms of michael interns. Eric president of shade cetera. Also my own history. As president of the players association on the inside a lot of familiarity with clicked burn grievance some yesterday said provisions of differ on women's side for sure but it is just a stage that it's herbs so i'll give out a language things that exist. There are seeking at five in any way that i feel it all better than somebody else i feel a pretty audible with west end now and learn and get to do the geologist different opportunities in the best way all the coaches aweso a also speeding up their ramp a little more over the last twelve to fourteen months off from the end of our season. That we we've been collaborating a lot of waste instead. We have come together as a family. Aw change so this process can take place over the last year and now just formalize it in a way that we hope will make us more brennan clean with forbes up go ahead run clean report side about that coach onto zunes here. You know how it is these days I'm just curious to hear from you. Along the lines of slipperiness question just kind of as you think back to when i made the transition into the wnba. I'm curious kind of what's on your mind right now as you take another step forward in your career in this league as to maybe. Is this what you expected might might be what your path look like you know. What are some of the things that you've that you've learned and absorbed over your time in this league that obviously you know you're you're you're committing even more to now right so i'm just kinda curious where your minds that in terms of some of that stuff as you as you now kind of make a set for appreciated at in i did not come in thinking or or sumi is where all we would be you know after gender. I become head coach of this farce. Like really excited intentional about it. I love the game of basketball regardless of planet from a gender perspective of always had even more respect for way to win this game was played for over twenty years now had an appreciation for always my wife a couple of weeks ago in south carolina. Gusto fading morales when our younger how much have an appreciation for the guy that was never tallest. Longest t always approach to jank trauma very strategic and fundamental way gratified. Ankles ways folks. That were taller. So when i was younger when i watched women's game saw him were along the lines of the way i played in watching sometimes been side. What i saw as a lot of our myself in players like were so and so to all that now like i did not see so going from coming to cultural sparsity out general manager ultra sparse at believe as made a something really wants to do with him excited about taking the love of had for women's jane as a fan becoming a coaching harder. The wnba over the year's feel i got off and felt how important it is for us to not just talk about what should be doing for women. This is what we should consider. We all should be investing. More women should put women's tv sports or such We need to roller sleeves. And get in there too so it makes no sense for me or anybody else about with should be joined right. That's actually good cannot believe it. This presents an opportunity to expand upon a love and passion. It up on time. Being decision did even more paul as best positively impact for this for our players for our organization for the wb as a whole And i think that's a special opportunity that could pass the ages where avenue to your daughter. Fourteen year old daughter is south a tough year with john gesture the south belly. And this is why it's slowed this year because we a lot of people are five star realize what we should rely long ago so all of that say like i didn't see this years ago but really thankful excited to see them now again. You more go. Communist congrats occasionally budget. How you to impact the taint culture and outside of beyond court yes. That's a great question. They go contrasting sports teams in terms of just on the field or just in competition. yet snows aspects. Are at serra of you. Know as a business. A lot of great colonies dead. You know get credit for your top. Were for that especially right now with a the mark ups down. All these appeals different targets thrown around the great companies stand out for maurice in the afc reputations for the little things that they've considered over the years right at touch exit about maternity the for for women's leaders making sure that as per within their business within their leadership center. You know making sure that are clear. Feel the value that. We're trying to frigid us. Not just vassal colonies within the capitals of the world's worst performance for fights number of additional values. Outside of just agree best. We feel like we add to our players. A part of that is what is important to her. And then that's kind of where i can follow that lead that clue or how do we work with her right to make sure that she's on sparks. We're creating an environment. Culture worked for her. And that could be twelve different versions. Even though we're all on the same team. And i think that's important to figure out that we can't just do it. One way that works for kansas or worse from river works for your work for it has worked for everybody slightly give way. Barclays interested in finance investing in some of our women may be interested in fashion design and only broadcast media career and so part of our responsibility is not suggest album. With what is this was to make sure this feels there. You care about her that race well and if we can somehow all of we all better basketball player woman a better meter all without a whole infectious hallman quarter. You is already holidays. Us that useful. I are you and james wade are the only two black bed. Also go to the law also with the johnson. Three people who are coaches colored black when you reflect on that also does your role or lucien in a player to coach took over years over earlier with anymore. And what also just how you paul. Especially your last year's the i do as as you're saying like i think about it often the great since of responsibility that i have and that i think in some ways we all carry whether we know it or not i because as a black man. At as a person of color is heightened sense of responsibility that we have one are an opposite without you to be these leadership positions of highest level and so thankful to be in that part of it And as as we reflect on it i think as a community support process to make sure that we are fighting for inclusion without necessarily excluding wb particular. I know for myself as a bad really conscious of the fact that you know. We're fighting for women and and as my side one is from the i also have a responsibility. They should a woman or one of color is also be afforded. Yager treats the executive had coached the marketing. And so while. I don't want stand in the way of the best for me to do that. When is opt for me is is security is to do well. But we've as a young men of color let you grow up knowing bitch. Slap your work twice or three times as your white char part or another friend or is it a color. That mentality has always been a part of the way. Our approach play approach jobs coach. Now as general manager a negative thing. Believe anything that position where you feel like you ask. That's what the greatest people have always felt about themselves. What they create you know in the world so often and and you know james myself vicky. We're all there to be a part of the gay an nba to be quite frank. I think it's always been a leader in terms of diversity and inclusion. But we're just think we're now pushing for more and and i think that's fine as well the I want to cover the second part. Of what should mitch as well terms of the and i think that my parents instilled that in the longtime ago that for guy kid wasn't six seven to forty that basketball was i was gonna take forever and you know even if i was able to play for any period of time whether it's by chasing away. Sp the way i interact with you know being a person of ability off being someone had worked with other people all of the things all of the lessons that i've been all over. The world are trying to teach their children really really really try to do those things. That is what i feel like has been the catalyst being able to have opportunities as likeness going on outside of just feet clear. Yard tweeted to be president of the association to be a coach to be a general manager to always myself as more than just an basketball player has been important and really bad for holiday family and those have helped me to be his position. And now i have to have it. I realized i'm holding this and keeping it warm for the mets nurse. Forever either share. Grow this time for one more today. I will go to chris. Camello by called media a coach l. Were you congrats on the new position. Yeah absolutely you know coach. Obviously there has been a history of of coaches also being a general managers. And i'm sure you've you've seen times where it has not worked out for some of these coaches obviously at the men's game expand more. It's been more documented us. A two part question one. Have you learned from. Does the those sort of shortcomings. Obviously you know it's it's hard to know what happened behind the scenes and also who do look to for for potential guidance in this now new position does do a role so to speak question. Chris watches answer differences between the men's women's game that have allowed to be on the wind side of these more of a consistent approach to business and that dole open-ended Really really successful inside without knowing the details what really was going on internally way ownership machinate and everyone choosing to work together on a daily basis is more committed of not working out as well and and so i wanna speculate essentially much because see. It's not because people aren't smart hour You know how to to make things worse Muscled speak from experience. It'd be so far on women's side able to observe over my first years Time and handled very well and very smartly by women live show even sort of you like my rolling in her miller netted Bill beers phenomenal job in las vegas banishing multiple responsibilities. And i think in some ways to you know how much smaller tighter we are on the women's side with number of please the number of staff the number of players. We don't have the developmental the with just not as fast happy. Different odd things. There are to manage that. It's it's something that on the side You know people have been able to with our chance. Waves done a great job in chicago last years. And so we'll see make things are local and so could come a time where on the dublin is not as march approach this way but the right now while while his position in this matter. You know it's my job to make the most of it and do the best job. I can also call and ask those questions. About successes of the mistakes that they've experienced an and trying to learn from those and then also know that they're going to be mistakes and misses that. I have this job better just heart of being leadership positions and just have to be willing to learn from it acknowledged it admitted continue to ask questions continue to lean on the folks rally in through the best job i do on that begins with me but it's not just me try approach. 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MacBook Pro 2019: The Breakdown... and the Fix!

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17:06 min | 1 year ago

MacBook Pro 2019: The Breakdown... and the Fix!

"Sponsored by skill share. Like I said on Michael Fisher Mr. Mobile's channel last week. When I first reviewed the new math book pro back at the end of two thousand sixteen I called it. The love hate future of laptops, love because we finally had a new design terrific wide gamut displays touch ID and super fast super thinking thunderbolt three ports hate because unlike the previous version with its function row and scissors which keyboard, the new touch bar and butterfly and dome keyboard proved to be incredibly divisive, and that's just not tenable when you want or need to use MAC OS and final cut pro ten and there's only one vendor to choose from. But there are rumors of new MAC book pro coming our way one that like the iphone ten shrinks, the Bengals expand the screen size in this case up to sixteen inches and one that maybe just maybe dishes, the butterfly dome keyboard and full height arrow keys for something with more. Click and actual escape key. And an inverted t now, I don't wanna get anyone's hopes up. I don't want to create any expectation debt. The rumors have been few and very far between we could end up with a spec bump again and membrane two point. Oh or with nothing. But maybe just maybe the same apple that released. The I MAC pro finally updated the MAC mini and hired a full on pro workflows team to really pound on their bits and atoms before the public ever gets exposed to the maybe just maybe that apple has gotten this MAC, Mojo back so because the rumors are sparse. But the tension in the community is kinda high and then do something a little different in this video. Usually, I'm a big believer in not stating solutions. I think I want, but rather problems I have because it could always be better solutions that I simply never thought of this time, though, I'm going to just lay it all out and loud, not just from a customer wishlist perspective because we customers one at all bigger battery, but lighter. More tech, but lower price. No matter how contradictory that might be. No, I want to think about it from an actual product point of view. What could the people in charge of the MAC book producer, really meet the needs of the vast majority of MAC book pro customers hit subscribe and force click that little building you don't miss any upcoming videos, and then let's break it down. I'm Rene Ritchie, and this is Victor now. I personally prefer the feel of the new butterfly dome. Keyboard I got used to it after about a day and ever since whenever I break out an older macbook pro I find the older scissors, which keyboards all loosey goosey. But this isn't about me. This is about most people and enough people seem to truly despise the new keyboard field that again for a single vendor product. It's just not tenable. Also, while some people like me may prefer the new keyboard? I've never not ever heard of anyone who really hates the old one and funny as lack of hate might sound. That's a key. Feature for something like a keyboard? It can't be great for some and terrible for others. It has to be at least good for everyone. Then there are the reliability issues. Of course. Sure. Some people will tell you. They've never had a problem. That's great for them others that they've had constant problems and that legit sucks for them. Apple has apologized to those experiencing issues is a tutor to replacement program for models outside the one year apple care coverage period and recently mandated in store repairs with a one day turnaround. Now, you can choose to believe that this is just a dumpster fire of product or that it's all a lot of social media hype around a small percentage of failures that's up to ultimately on you. But here's the thing. It doesn't matter only the perception matters and the damage that's doing to apple and the MAC book pros reputation is real either way Apple's been through things like this before the iphone four antenna is probably the biggest example. And after a lot of noise and free bumpers apple manage to fix that. For Verizon within. Seven months and everyone with the iphone four s within a year and a half the butterfly keyboard saiga has dragged on now for three years four. If you include the original twelve inch MAC book, which I do now don't try this at home, please seriously since I had my first key failure last year. I followed fix its guide and popped off a number of keys, clean them. Pop them back on and they've been absolutely fine afterwards. Every time not that any anecdote should ever be mistaken for data. What I'm getting at though is that whether or not people inside or outside of apple love or hate the butterfly keyboard? It's radioactive at this point. It's kryptonite a new generation a new membrane. None of that can save it anymore. It has to die. And that means idea has to have something to replace it. Even if it means changing priorities on the current MAC roadmap. You know, me I'm not one to be hyperbolic about any of this stuff. But at this point treat it like the thermal dead end of the twenty thirteen MAC pro like an existential threat asked to solutions. It sounds like we might be getting what a number. People myself included of ask for in the past something much closer akin to the magic board, but big, but huge, but with the return of the inverted t arrow keys like the previous MAC book. Pro no one seems to hate the magic keyboard, except that anyone who types knows how important that inverted t is to wait for it typing. A lot did oh an actual physical escape key. I know some pros really want all of their function keys back as well. And for the touch bar to be a built to order option. But if the future really will be dynamic virtual surfaces like an ipad keyboard, but that fools your brain into thinking anything anything from Kerteh final cut. Logic. Dials feels real they will need to get there somehow and who knows if apple can add tactics. Maybe we'll get there sometime faster. Let me how you feel about that. In the comments the juiciest bit of the twenty nineteen macbook pro rumor, so far is the best trait an equal and opposite screen size increase to sixteen inches. In other words, just like the iphone ten crowned a plus size screen into a wreck. Sized body. This would cram something closer to the old seven inch screen into the current fifteen inch body, but that rumor provokes more questions than answers when the display goes nearly edge to rounded edge. Does it also fully four k maybe finally matched the points with double the pixels of the pre-written machines? And does it go promotion with an up to one hundred and twenty Hertz refresh rate like the ipad pros have had going on a couple of years? Now, all it is also on a lot of wishlists. But while it's a stunning display technology. It's also still an incredibly compromised. One one that requires a ton of mitigations and still has consistency and cost factors that prevented apple from moving even into the ipad. Pro micro LED seems like the next better future. But many LED is what's being rumored for the six k prototype. Lay? Apple's had in the works for the last couple years now with that also work in the macbook pro at least for now touchscreens are high on many lists. But the simple fact remains that MAC OS, at least so far isn't a. Touch based operating system. Microsoft spent years and painful years in the desert making windows finger friendly, and it still feels like veneer at times apple already has incredibly successful touch based operating system with I o s so it's hard to imagine that invest the same time and the same pain in making MAC OS touch based as well when they could simply keep investing that time and effort in the ipad. I agree that for anyone who's grown up on IRS or Android. Non touchscreens will just seem broken. And I'd love to see basic navigational gesture support on the max green. So it could even crudely swipe and tat my way around if and when I need to, but I'm not holding my breath for any of that. Because just can't hold my breath that long now I o based notebook that'd be a different story entirely, but also one for a different audience entirely face ID, well that could be for everyone combined apples facial JAMA trees sensor arrays security with its convenience, and you've got a real winner, especially with auto fill. Would also bring augmented reality of the MAC, not just for I message or FaceTime. But for the future and massive side benefit a regular old RGB Cam that doesn't literally suck. I'd even take a knock or a bump to support it. And yeah, I said it go ahead. And at me in the comments pros have always had to deal with Donald from fire wire four hundred to eight hundred VGA to DVI to display port mini display. An ace GMI modem to either net. Compact flash micro ST, what made the 2016 sixteen macbook pro. So different though, was that by going all in on USB. Well, USPA was still overwhelmingly the norm is suddenly made the dungle problem mainstream everybody needed them and even pros that I've been dealing with them for over a decade. Suddenly felt underwater now balancing legacy with future proofing as hard as long as you have old stuff. You want the old ports that go with it? As soon as you have new stuff though, you want as many of the Newport's as you can possibly get. And since you can't go around swapping ports after the fact companies. Have to make year by your decisions on what to leave behind and what to keep or embrace apple though, left everything behind and went all in on USB. See they didn't even include a single solitary USPA to USB Dongo in the box. Some people still really lament the loss of MAG safe as well. The magnetic charging connector with the helpful indicator light that would shine green when it was done or pop right off if anyone or anything hit the cable and without yanking your MAC book off at the same time. USB power has made it possible to plug your MAC book in from any port on any side, which I found hugely convenient. There are some third party adapters patents that seemed to offer the best of both worlds. A USB. See light connector that's also Magath, but it's hard to tell how realistic those are. Or would be at some point a ton of legacy ports would be a real regression. None like the current models though. Even now three years later feels like far too savage progression. A good rule of thumb could and. Should be most of the ports. Most customers will use most of the time one or a couple USB ports. And maybe and I would personally love this because video SD card and HDMI. I think that would affectively end dangles for almost everyone almost all the time. But let me know your perfect mix in the comments the 2016 macbook pro feels like apples effort to mainstream the mobile workstation years ago Steve Jobs slapped an ipad down in front of the MAC team. And asked them why their notebooks couldn't do what that tablet could and ever since apple has been working towards making macbooks more pad like in other words instead of catering exclusively to existing power users trying to expand their appeal to empower a greater pool of users to become pros in some ways that makes sense apple never had a large share of the PC market and the share they had was primarily ludicrously skewed towards notebooks. I had though was owning its market customers who spire to be or. Identified as pros were also changing expanding and what they valued was more than what traditional pros had. They wanted their power and their portability and their battery life, and yeah, they're aesthetics too. But with these new generation of pros apple didn't just add in more mainstream appeal, they took away some of the traditional appeal, and that's proven to be a problem one compounded by Intel which has been an absolute mess for the last few years. They're so far behind on ten nanometer. It would become ical. If it wasn't so tragic they've also failed to ship specific fourteen nine meter chips. So often and for so long that it's caused significant delays Apple's MAC roadmap. And as the crap cherry on top of the crap Sunday, they failed to add support for everything. From the newer, lower power memory to the newer, better display port standards, causing apple to compromise on ram levels versus power draw and come up with things like custom timing controllers. But frankly, unless and until apple switches to its own custom MAC silicon, that's all. Apple's Intel problem to manage last year with the twenty teen. Refresh apple added batteries. So they could drop back to the older hungrier memory and offer thirty two gigabyte configuration, but they didn't add a new thermal solution. So they could better handle the additional cores and power demands Intel ship to try to make up for their lack of process, Rick, and that's exactly what some pros want. Sure, maybe only very small percentage of the highest end most traditional pros. But that's always been the part of the market pro machines were meant to more than just include, but actually embrace as John Gruber of daring fireball fame put so well, so many years ago, it's the heaviness of the MAC that allows I o s to remain light. Conversely, the relative lightness of other MAC books up to an including the air. Should let the MAC book pro heavy like really really heavy I jokingly called this philosophy macbook pro. But there really are pros who want a MAC book with seventeen inch screens Zeon processors big honking graphics cards, EC. EC memory and all the ultra high end bells and whistles, basically, the opposite of mainstream the chill pro equivalent of a neon gaming laptop for most pros though, the current chips with better thermal solution. So they could hit and stay at their maximum clock. Speeds for as long as possible would be plenty powerful enough. Invidia graphics also tops a lot of lists. Apple Invidia have been at loggerheads for years ever since apple felt Invidia refuse to take responsibility for some bad boards and left them holding the Bill, but also because both companies are big enough successful enough and stubborn off that neither wants to see control to the other. Apple wants direct access to the metal for metal in video. Once apple to go through them. Neither will budge no matter how much apple pro customers. Want them some Khuda cores never say never just look at the iphone going back to Qualcomm modems and apple making the TV app for Samsung televisions, but until one or both of the companies are motivated enough to budge. I think the most we could hope for at this point is apple Invidia making up at least enough to offer built in support for Invidia EEG pew that way, not only could pros who really want the biggest and best in video cards, get them. But they could update them as much as often as they want or need to as well. And without having to buy a new notebook every time now Apple's making a modular, MAC pro. So maybe one day who knows they'll also make a modular MAC book pro as well one where you can keep thin and light for those times when you're walking trade show floors or shooting out in the wilderness for days, and then strap on the equivalent of a hulk BUSTER style smart battery EEG, an extra SSD case when you want or need full power and don't care at all about the bulk that comes with it. Sadly, I can't nutshell animate that all out for you the way Curtis does. But with skill share. You could do it yourself. Still share is an online learning community with over twenty thousand classes in photography video business technology. Everything you need to make your life better in motion graphics part. One Kirk covers all the basics setting up your aftereffects project. Introducing their workflow and working with expressions using a typical curbs on scene premium membership gives you unlimited access to all the high quality classes on all the must know topics. So you can improve your skills unlocked you opportunities and do the work you love to sign up this Lincoln, the description and the first five hundred of you, get two months of unlimited access to over twenty thousand classes for free act now and start learning today. Thanks, coach share and thanks to all of you for supporting the show, if a lot of these suggestions sound like returning to the pre 2016 macbook pro like returning to the cheese grater from the trash can just was smaller Bethel's and modern specs. That's probably because the pre 2016 macbook pro was absolutely adored by the vast majority of pros, but the future is going to move forward. So all we can really hope is that apple is learning from the mistakes of the reason. Past. There's a lot of other stuff. I've seen on a lot of other lists as well like bringing back the glowing apple logo, the one that lit up so many pictures, including the ones of Microsoft events, apple pencil, support on the ever increasingly giant track pads is a popular quest as well and one that would legitimately be awesome to see and inductive charging spot to go with it. So you could just drop your air pods or apple pencil. If not realistically your iphone down to top them up while you work or sleep cellular support, which Qualcomm tax aside. Mac OS doesn't yet have the power and data saving modes necessary for always on cellular connection at least not yet and on and on. And of course, on so here's what I love you to do hit light and his ab- scribe. It really helps out the channel. And then hit up the comments and let me know what you wanna see in the next MAC of pro. Thank you so much for watching C an video.

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A Maelstrom of Nonsense

Android Central Podcast

1:32:26 hr | 7 months ago

A Maelstrom of Nonsense

"Hello and welcome to the drew central podcast. My name is Daniel Baiter. This week on the show. Sony is back, but are they better than ever, and there's some controversy brewing over on the IPHONE APP store side of things, but is Google staying out of the Maelstrom we will dig into it and in the second half of our show it's. The past. Is All about the future. That's make any sense, but that's okay, because we have a couple of people who are a lot smarter than me to explain it Andrew. Martin Nick Welcome back hour. I'm doing just fine I. Don't have as much pass to talk about as as Michael Does. He's been playing with some very very fun gadgets I. You spoiled the surprise but I'm so happy and thrilled to welcome Michael Fisher Mr Mole back to the show. What's going on? How Are you gentlemen? It seems like it's it's been an EON since I've seen y'all's faces through this podcast. Lens on what's going on as I'm in sound booth with no air conditioning on a on a hot day, but it's not as hot as seeing y'all again, so thanks for having me bag Oh. That's a take. You've been working hard. you've published five videos in the last seven days. which if I can count correctly? You cannot, but I will take it. Oh how many videos? No No, no. Had the usual two or three per week, but they. Really prolific at the moment you under under. Trying conditions you've been. You've been putting out some really good stuff and have you on. You've been covering a lot of. Older. Phones products things that you're revisiting. You've got this very successful and popular new series called one phones refund which I want to talk about but I I just want to talk about you. How are you? How how has life under under lockdown? You know it's. Getting better all time I have to say I keep trying not to dwell on this too much harp on it, but I I'm just really glad that this all happened in the spring or the relay the winter into spring. Because you know, we know how to be careful now we know how to do what not to do, and one of the things you can do is go outside and safely. Enjoy yourself in it and this weather over the past few weeks. Weeks has been so excellent and New York City has been so beautiful I have sat many evenings on the river and looked at it, and sometimes with friends six to ten feet away, and it's just been lovely so really. I'm a very good head space, so thank you for asking and I hope everyone out. There is also making the most of this difficult situation I know it's not as easy for for some so keeping that in mind, but I'm doing well. And I want to be to die tactic on this podcast, but your videos feature you wearing a very fashionable mask, a lot of the time shots and yes I do want to say where your mask if if you're not somebody who. His thinking a that, you are susceptible. 'cause things are things are looking good, but they're also in parts of the country are are looking slightly dire or Moore's Ireland they were a few weeks ago, so but you two are based in New York where things seem to be on the up and up Yup. What prudence will will get you? Yes dear prudence! It's getting better all the time. Just a lot of Beatles references this morning. Is that what that was? See I only my memory record only extends to the Early Nineteen Ninety S Daniel Bear I don't know I. Don't know about these bugs. Phones refund right exactly. So Andrew will start with the story that you wrote about. Apple's. Onerous inconsistent store rules, and how love the use of the word onerous, it's word and it really does speak to the way that a lot of developers are feeling about the APP store today. And yet you right? Developers still go to apple I over over Google. This controversy. Started over something that Jason freed and Dha choose I should have his name in front of me, but. David Hannah hirer Hanson has thank you. He They published a new email APP called. Hey, it was accepted into the APP store, and then an update was subsequently rejected because they did not follow the APP store rules, and the rules say that you cannot have an APP that essentially does not work out of the box, and hey requires a subscription that you sign up for on the company's website, and it does not allow inept purchase on the in the APP itself so talk us through. What's going on here and why? The same policy is not really. Google's policy white doesn't matter. To Google to to have those same onerous you know rules and yet. This is a way bigger deal for iphone users than it is for android users yet, and this is the thing the the reason why this one's getting so much attention as multi-faceted, obviously so hey is a I, guess a division or another APP coming out of base camp, which is very valuable company with a very. wealthy. co-founders and you know they can afford to fight it, so they can afford to make a big kerfuffle over it, but also it's the same thing happening over and over in the APP store where you have really strict policies, and they are policies. They're not like unwritten rules or anything like that. They are rules, but they're not enforced evenly. And they all circle around this. Constant push and pull of apple wants a thirty percent cut of any in-app purchases, and that extends to subscriptions as well, and they only recently have a a small reduction where believe it's the second year of a subscription it goes down to fifteen percent, and so you get that small benefit, but it generally comes from APP. Developers want to have access to the APP store, and they want to have their users subscribe to their service outside of the APP store, but apple doesn't want that to happen and. Normally, they just as developers just deal with. This one was particularly bad, because apple let the APP in the store and then. in the words of the APP developer kind of held it hostage and said we'RE GONNA we're GonNa pull your APP and never let it back in. If you don't let your or make I guess your users subscribe to the APP, and to Daniel's point, the what happens unfortunately is. If you were to not subscribe to the email APP. You download it because it's free to download. The APP just opens in does nothing. because. Apple's policy also does not let you have a splash screen or something on I open that says hey, this is not a free APP. Click this link or go to you know. Hey, dot, com, and subscribe. They don't let that happen, either. Because once again they want the payment come through them and two base camps credit. They're saying. Screw you not GonNa do it. They said I think there's. There's no way in a million years. I'm going to let apple take. Thirty percent of my revenue was the was the quote, and it's kind of hard to blame them, but also it's like. Well the policy is the policy and you have to. You have to play by that, and that's kind of my. The whole premise of that article is that this has been the case for a long time? There's this policy and dozens of others that are really onerous and hard to deal with, but the hard numbers are that developers are making sixty plus percent more money on subscriptions on IOS on Google and Google play, and the overall revenue of the top APPS and APP store is three to four times what it is the top apps in the play store, so you just deal with And that that really is what. Is being reinforced here that this is a company whose APPS are available on. ANDROID IOS and windows on day one and yet it's really making. This this splash because of what's happening on. A MAC as well, but the same policies apply on on Mac Os. The user base is much smaller on the. MAC APP, store. I find it interesting here because we don't really hear about the struggles that developers go through on the play store nearly as often. Me Largely because it feels like it's just an endemic problem that developers have a hard time making money on the play store. And I want to bring this to Android, because it is relevant where. You often hear about companies, either having far fewer developers on the side of things or not investing as much money, or just not bringing their APPs to android until there is a viable kind of single. Code Base Lucien right so that they're not really developing a native APP, they're just using a shared. Shared Framework that they can roll out. An across all of their their platforms. And yet those are the APPs that performed the worst in terms of. Just just sheer. Smoothness and user experience. Michael I don't know if you have any thoughts on this, but it seems like this is a. this is a slippery slope. especially a couple of days before w WGC for apple to be digging itself a whole like this. It's tricky, but you know what it does. It annoys me because first of all it's it is It is annoying an outrageous and onerous for all the reasons. Reasons that that Andrew wrote but there's a great passage in the article, whereas that's really bad, but these types of situations happen regularly and developers just deal with it and you have to. If you're developing right because you, you need to be on the APP store the thing that annoys me about it is. It reminds me of this constant truth that I run into over and over. Over again. We may not get to talking about it, but I'm wearing a new smart watch this week and I downloaded the APP for Android and sinked it, and you know what that APP on the on the play store has a two point eight star rating, because it kind of sucks well over on the eye on the apple store on the apple APP store. It's got like. Like a four point, three or something, and it has mostly positive feedback in the comments. Because what do you know the IPHONE APP is better and I'm so tired of the IPHONE APP. Oh, so often being better because of some of the same forces. You guys you're talking about. It's like you can't not play in the APP store, and if you only have the developing resources to. Focus on one of the two then you're going to do the IPHONE. And I just hate that that is still the truth in twenty twenty so. The rest of the money disparity is so large there. And then Lingga said even even if you don't want to give apple thirty percent of your revenue, you're still coming out ahead giving apple thirty percent of your revenue. Then because your play's yeah, because you're sixty percent more money, and of course you know I mentioned in the article Google's not free from controversy or free from criticism over how much it charges, because it also charges thirty percent on an purchases and the real, the good user experience is to have that native payment system where you want to upgrade or you want. Want to subscribe, and you tap the button and it pops up apple, pay or Google pay, and you're just done into taps and a fingerprint, or whatever the bad user experiences sending people out to your own subscription model anyway, but the problem is that you're paying the same cut, no matter what and I think a lot of people for a long time have. Called for Google to try to be more competitive there but really. You know they have to run a store to. They want to make some money off of it to their wins are in the flexibility that you can have your own payment system or subscription system or whatever you want to do, and they just try to make it more appealing from user experience perspective these there's right. I go through the doors rankings a lot and I look at what's top grossing. What's top paid? What how many downloads say the top paid game has or the top trending game I look at something like dead cells, which was a hugely anticipated PC game port. It was about nine months late to the ANDROID from when it came to irs. That's not uncommon. It's eight nine game, so it's expensive bike mobile game standards, but it's certainly not. Even close to as expensive as is on switch or or And it has ten thousand downloads, so this is a nine hundred ninety nine dollar game ten thousand. Plus downloads, so not a small number by android. By, by android standards but I just wonder if developers do this. Because they have no choice I. Mean. Is it this? Inevitable. Push pull where you know. Yes, they're gonNA. Make some money. On android, but it won't be a lot. We've heard a lot of developers leaving. APPS in purgatory, because they just don't have the F- The resources to invest in in maintaining them and yet android is still eighty five percents of the global smartphone market so. You know where they don't really have a choice there. EVERY FREE APP every free game is available. Yeah, but when it comes down to you, talk about eighty five percent of the market be an android. It's what percentage of the market are paying customers. Yes, is dramatically smaller than that and obviously gets outweighed by the the smaller portion of people spending a ton more money on irs, and there are lots of demographic reasons. Reasons for that, but you know like you said you're going to get lots of free. APPS and APPs that have other business models like you're gonNA, have an APP from you know every bank and financial institution, because the market is large, but anything that requires the subscription or relies or is really enhanced by five ten dollars of an APP purchases or something like that is not going to make it over because. You know the economics don't work, and it's just going to be a chicken and egg problem. I really sure how Google can solve that. You know we. We've seen a million different times. You can't. You can't just pay developers to be there. You can't even if you made the REV share, you know five percents from Google perspective. It's still not gonNA close that gap a- anyway and Michael. You've talked you did a video. A week ago or so about the wall way P forty pro, plus and you focus on the camera and winches. Unimpeachable, you cannot argue that this is not a fantastic. Piece of hardware, but the wall way. APP Gallery is inherently limited in its distribution especially for western Apps, and you talk about Google's inherent disadvantage, even though it has. Sheer numbers, but from a revenue perspective that Gut Gulf is massive between play store and the APP store, and then you're looking at something like. The APP gallery which is starting from. From nothing, yeah, they basically are in the windows phone position of having to pay developers to support their apps over, and that's the brutal thing is not even Microsoft could make that work I. Mean You had Microsoft? Not just saying? Hey, we'll give you. A discount had Microsoft saying the reverse. We will literally pay you to make APPS for our platform, and still getting the door slammed in their face in that kind of environment with those kind of forces at work. Yeah, I do not see how anyone can survive. Let alone prosper, and yet I just want to end this conversation by saying and yet after. A year and a half of epic game store exclusivity. Epic brought fortnight to the play store a few weeks ago. likely because it knew that it was just losing out on potential. Revenue and and just sheer player engagement by not being on the play store, because that is where people expect APPs to be, and they are probably getting angry emails from people being like I don't know how to download your game because. Even though it's fairly easy to side load an APP. You know it's not. It's not as easy as opening up the place impressing install while remember if if if you have complaints like that. Let's just make sure everybody knows where to send him to send him to android central Dot Com. Because those people in charge of Android so you have to let let them know Oh. We know that I mean that actually is a really good example of the what we're dealing with across the APP store and Google play fortnight or at epic, Games which makes fortnight. They know that they. Tapped out all the people who would play fortnight and download it through their and their side load system, and then they moved over to Google. Play to just get additional users that they weren't gonNA come over and side loaded anyway in many ways you see that happen with the APP, store and Google play. You tap out the entire addressable market of people for your type of APP in the store, and then you go looking for additional people on Google play once that. That marginal. The marginal cost of adding additional user is not you know is gets low enough after you've already topped out on Ios, you just ride out the law. You know the long portion of that curve over on Google play. You're never gonNA see because each incremental user is much more valuable on on the APP store then on Google play. Why wouldn't you want the most valuable additional users to be first on the APP store? It just works out every time and look if you're an ad based. If you have an ad based business model. It makes sense to invest as much money as you can. In making a great android experience because there, you just have the eyeballs right. Even an old crappy android phone from five years ago is going to be able to scroll through many ads with no problems, so it's mainly just you have to. Identify the business model and hey does not have that kind of business model. It's not add base. It's the opposite it's. One hundred dollars a year for your for the ability to send email to. At Hey dot com email address, which is a pretty Ni sh-she. Prospect anyway. Say! Nine. Hundred Ninety nine dollars a year for a two word email address a which is not like I tried to read I just for. S and Giggles I E. I put in DB at. Hey, dot, com, a thousand dollars a year. How many people are going to do that I, don't I? Don't know it's probably probably you can count on one hand right now, but. I? Know most of them most of them. You. Don't want 'em at. I would prefer no one. Hey Me, no, yes. Stay now. All right, let's move on talk about a bit of hardware. So Michael. You have the experience. One mark to in house is a phone that launches in. Late July so a while from now still we're talking with over a month as only to starting this. Yet. A lot of youtubers have pre-production models and They've reviewed them already. I'm very curious about this phone. Because the narrative around it seems to be that Sony did good. Sony corrected a lot of the problems of the experience Z. Line that it really really even though kept to the same form factor really fixed the camera from the exterior one and that they're digging. They're doubling down pro whatever that means, and if you're really into shooting video shooting manual photos than you're gonNA love this product. What do you think I have not distilled my thoughts into a? A manageable stream yet it is a chaotic Maelstrom of nonsense in my head when it comes to this because I tell you what I was so excited for it for all the reasons you just stated. I got the review vice ice in and on my first outing with it, despite having had an hour long very useful briefing with Sony. People who really know what they're talking about, and who were awesome and told me who answered every question, which is rare as you both know. I spent an hour with this thing on a lovely Brooklyn. Dusk and it shattered my confidence in myself and made me want to just go into the woods without technology for a week Russell Hall. Hit anybody if anybody is a pro with managing like a pro mode and a camera, you should be able to I should be able to write well, and and here's the thing I we are. We all live in a world where phones are increasingly relying on computational solutions to delivering a good photo. You you you, it's even if you don't have a pixel where you're just kind of point at it and shoot and out. It's GonNa. Come Out, okay usually. Most phones are at least applying a lot of a lot of a and and other solutions to help you out. This phone takes the. Does it completely different? It's like it's going to happen in camera. We're going to make this photo happened in the moment, and you're going to use a Sony interface to do that a Sony interface that's pulled not from the Alpha line which David Kogan helped me realize from the locker. Because I use a Sony Alpha camera every day to shoot me youtube videos. It's not pulled from that. It's pulled from the like the great above that their actual professional cameras, not their Pro Sumer, one and man i. tell you what it's not an interface that is forgiving. or makes any sense really to me translate well. The touch I assume Yeah, it's Ok on the touch thing but it. It's really like it is. A camera is a piece of camera software that allows you to put this phone on a tripod, hopefully thousand dollar tripod. Let's not mess around as Set your exposure and set your aperture and set. Set all this stuff for that one shot you need, and then you need to take forty five minutes with your crew breakdown that shot moved to another location. Set up again you, it's not it doesn't adapt. You can't like just kind of run and gun with it. You need to have a shot list and story board, and again like a crew of fifty people and a crane with you if you WANNA make the most of this phone and honestly. That's it's off putting to me at this point. It is I'm not having a great time. It just sounds like a my experience of using the other Sony phones over the last five years or so. They didn't have as crazy of Promo Code Munn. The pickup point and shoot image was never touching the. Capabilities or what you knew that the sensor was are the hardware was capable of you had to go into manual mode to get the most out of it right, and here's the thing though like I think the automatic mode I think. They're the the camera. APP that everyone knows when they talk about a smartphone camera APP on this phone it. I usually get better results from it and I think I've had pretty good luck with Sony phones over the past few years i. think those photos and videos I'm going to have some some cool stuff to show for it. It's just that I have memories of other phones. The Lumina, ten, twenty, first and foremost, the while way stuff most, certainly that not only challenges you to live up to its potential, because it is so great, but gives you an interface that doesn't. Punch you in the face within the first ten minutes and tell you to go back to school because you don't know what you're doing. This phone is not made for any of us. It's not made for anyone I know. and so I'm going to seek out some more feedback from actual pros. My problem is yet. The interface looks like a pro professional camera, but it's not backed by a Lens. That's the size of a beer can so it's never going to get the results that you would from a professional camera. Anyway, so I'm left wondering again. Who this phone is four. so we will have to see again. It's early for me. You know I. Mean What what's what's interesting is I was? I was watching? I don't know if you've seen C. Nets review of this phone. They put out that Patrick did my right Patrick Hall and put out a fifteen minute review of the of the one two. And it's amazing. The the the the review is amazing. Right the the. Production Quality of it the fact that he spends the last six minutes of its showing US video that he made the comment on on the phone itself, but the thing about it is that this appears to be the person that Sony is after right the person who wants to create. Content with this phone. but Based on what you said. It appears that Patrick is viewing the the constant attention. This phone needs as a positive thing as a you know. You need to basically baby the interface all the time Otherwise you're not going to get the results you need. And that to some people is actually a positive thing because it's. It's almost like a neutral frequency response on a pair of headphones. Yes, you know there. It's the reference headphones of cameras again. Yes, and that they're really Hughes to the philosophy that Sony was communicated to me in our briefing where it was like yet you can look. This is not a thing where you shoot a shot. That is okay, but then you you save it an editing. This is a this is a camera for you to get it in camera the right way. The first time and I get that it's you know it's certainly not, may i. Was Really. Hoping that I could maybe replace iphone eleven promos, says my run gun. Be Roll shooter when I have time for a real shot, just need to get something quick with this because it certainly has a lot more tools but it's it doesn't It's not for that lifestyle. It's for a very different kind of mobile filmmaking so I. Don't want to condemn it outright. I'm just right now. Now in my very early part of the process I'm not having a great time and I need to learn more be I will say that it. That really sucks because the thing that makes phone. Most worth pre ordering is the fact that you get what those two hundred fifty dollar noise canceling ear buds for free right now, but that deal ends in something like a handful of days. I don't know what to what day it ends, it might be the twenty-first. At I'm not. I'm not going to be ready by then you know I'll have to run exactly the same video Iran last year, which was hey, this is pretty good. It's good for some people. If you're one of those people. Oh, sorry, I wish I I wish I'd been able to tell you about this a week ago. You I'm grateful to have it, but I don't know why. That I'd say what is the? Releasing the phone. As it comes in three stages right? There's the announcement which is in. Early may or laying in April I feel then there's the distributing the pre-production models to youtubers and other sites We don't have one yet. and. And then there's the release which is and there's usually a two month two and a half months delta between those those periods and I'm wondering. LG does this, but Sony does this. More often, and it's and it's. It's just seems more egregious when they do it. Yeah, I, do not have an answer I mean. Maybe it's it may be matter of them trying to drive a certain number of sales inside certain windows, so they can quantify it and. I don't know May. It's maybe they feel like they've gotten enough word of mouth already. Because as you say, Patrick's review is was really cool I. Haven't watched video yet, but you know it's gotten a big wave already. It has a lot of buzz and my comments. People are yelling at me wasting my time on seventeen year, old phones could be talking about the one mark to and it's like. I Yeah I I'm going too fast. Second gotTA. Give the people what they want. Do you, do you? See I guess. We'll. Talk about the your your other project in a bit. But I do want to kind of talk about this in light of the. Wall way forty pro plus give us your thirty second. Elevator Pitch Review of the camera because we talked about the software situation to death already I don't WanNa. Go back there. Yeah, while way always leaves me feeling sad because we can't get them. And the reason for that is is the camera. When I stopped using it to move onto the next phone, which I think was the one mark to I, think it went. They were back to back I immediately that day the same day that I woke up reading comments on my videos. Saying no one takes this extreme zoom is just a stunt. Nobody nobody needs it you never. People don't shoot that way that same day when I didn't. Didn't have the phone. I saw a Bumblebee that landed just a little too far away. A helicopter and plane by the both took off. That were too far away at could've gotten with the forty pro plus I could have gotten great shots and I couldn't. Because I didn't have a phone with that capability, so would have been classic. Don't sleep on it like that's zoom is useful one hundred. But that's Zuma twenty x fifteen x. that's pretty useful stuff so I. I was in the same boat. Yesterday I. I had I was walking my daughter in her stroller to the park. This beautiful cardinal. If. You're not familiar. There's a Lotta Blue Jason Cardinals in in Toronto where I live. You'd be familiar with yet. But enough about baseball folks shot. Anyway Michael, sixty five games is what the compromise are. So I had I have the Pixel three excel in my pocket right now because I'm using on the android eleven Beta. I okay first of all. Side. RANT You Know I. Can Reclaim your time if you want Michael but just give me this. Take it the the. wide-angle front facing camera on the Pixel three series is bar none the most enjoyable selfie camera I've ever used. and. I remember you saying how much you liked it. Now that I have a kid doubly so like it is the most these photos are. Incredible I have dozens of them to reinforce that fact, it is so cool to be able to get. To three people in a photo and the background, and it's perfectly processed using Google's HDR plus it's just like it's like chef's kiss. Good and it just really. Regret the fact the Google decided to to cut that to cut that angle by fifteen degrees, or so, when the unified to cameras in the Pixel four series seven degrees right? You went from ninety seven ninety. I think. The Pixel Four has a ninety degree wedding. A camera a believes that feel it feels. Much closer than that. To mazing. Seven degrees. Have you know an obviously? Pronounced effect anyway. But I wanted to capture this cardinal, and obviously I couldn't on the Pixel three excel without going to all all the hell. And it was it reminded me that a year ago right now I was in Turkey and I had the walkway p thirty pro with me and I basically spent the entire trip just taking photos with that five x, or whatever zoom your Xm. Yeah, and it was great. It was the most fun I've had taking photos with a camera in my life. Yeah, that that's the thing it. It's a perfect blend of capability and fun When we were doing the P twenty pro or I, forget which one was. WHO KNOWS WE'RE IN PARIS? Shooting with one of the P series found and everyone else. Really loved their Eiffel Tower. Photos and I love mine, too, but my favorite shot of that entire few days in Paris was being able to shoot a pocket watch through the window of a jeweler who was closed, and just I was able to frame it up perfectly only because I had that much optical zoom at my disposal I mean it's these things are wonderful machines. They're just incredible. When speaking to Dana Field of you, comment, it really does make a difference to have a proper narrower field of view on Zoom Lens. Versus Digital Zoom, on what is ultimately a Wide Angle Lens. It really gives you an actual difference. It's like just a subconscious. Look Gentle, a telephoto shot. That is actually different. Would you put them side by side very much, so I have a question for you Michael because? You've got more experience with this then most people. What is your favorite wide angle cameras to shoot with right now? Oh, that's fun, so yeah, while it's just to get off the love train for his second I'm really bummed that they reduced their their wide angle. substantially Rah on I. Think it was last generation. They did that actually but I. don't know when it was but roof. When I'm taking out, there's Gee. That's just a tough kids a tough question. There better I wanna say I WANNA say it's the iphone eleven promex because of its color consistency. You know most phones you jump out to that ultra wide and all of a sudden ooh! I'm very much dealing with a different camera here this these colors are all different but I think the iphone eleven probably does the best job at. Preserving the authenticity of that of the of the scene when you hop out ultra what, but there's an android phone that I'm. That I'm forgetting to mention here and it's GonNa. Drive me crazy when I eventually do remember it used to be L. Jeeva, than they shut themselves in the foot by limiting their own field of view as well Oh, and then Sam's. That's what it is. The fold I use the fold all the time in man. That thing was the world to be a a comic book with how it treats color, but the the. Is Fun Yeah Yeah, no. I think it's gotTa. Be The iphone eleven. For me that makes sense. Yeah, it's just yeah. You're right the consistency between the cameras unmanaged. Yeah. Well although. As as much as and I'll stop talking about why we after this, but. As much as I'm annoyed that they didn't make as Wide Lens Being able to apply a night mode that while brings to to a shot to the white angle or even to the telephoto. That's pretty incredible, because sometimes the judges system working until you turn on fourth night mode, and you get that hyper hd are affect. Oh now this I can do something with. It's kind of garbage right now, but I can snap seated. Seated until it's better and you just don't get that much information in anything, but a pixel which doesn't have a wide angle camera. So that's you you. You snap seat still overlay of snaps. Yeah, all ten of the Photoshop APPs that are in the place right now. Fun Fact I do not know how to use photoshop in any of its forms. And the like there's I feel like there's a new photoshop APP version in released every week there's. Hamra APP Photoshop Express. There's light room there's. Me and a half. On the desktop but I get by just fine with Google. Photos editing sliders I feel like I can usually just tap auto, and then open the sliders and tweak things from there, and I get along just fine. I put a high premium on user interface, so the snap seed like being able to just kind of glide through snap seed to the point where I make the same comment about final cut all the time I feel like I can dance with it because the interface design is is almost that good it until they discontinue it. I'M GONNA. Keep us because it's just so much more fun than. Messing with those other ones for me for me, Yeah I. Go back to snap. See the lot. It actually works really well, but I, I I'm not even lying, so you search photoshop on on the play store. There's Adobe Photoshop. Express their is. Adobe Photoshop. Which is a photoshop mix which is like a cutout combine you know there's the regular Photoshop Camera APP. That came out last week. There is photoshop fix which is like he'll, he'll APP. For blemishes and stuff, and then there's photoshop sketch. And then there's light room, and then there's illustrator all right. Do, you have to pay for the adobe suite. I'm Oh. No, it I think. If you have creative cloud. It will add features, but I don't believe it's. Actually I'm not sure if you have to pay for cloud storage. If you wanted to sink over to your desktop, and then at that point, you're paying for the APP and the desktop. Yes, that's correct, right? It's it's a free to APP. It's all local if you don't have creative cloud. Okay, but if it's local, then I'll use it I shouldn't just bask in my ignorance, L. Download Adobe, light room for mobile now now tried light room on android was garbage when I came out, and it is now very good I will give adobe credit. They have spent a couple of years just like fixing the crap out of out of their android APPs, and they are now quite quite usable, so kudos adobe for that just clean up the number of Photoshop APPs on the play store. What what what are you doing? All right Let's take a rope Andrew. We're GONNA talk about Pixel, buds and then we'll take a break, okay. We'll just them. You just reviewed the Pixel Buds after two months I cannot believe these have been out for two months or anywh weird. Used to like them, and you say that recent updates have actually fixed some of the Bluetooth connectivity problems that many people are expressing a walk us through. It is I mean it's crazy. How much an update which you were not notified about, and you couldn't forced to your ear buds. It just has to randomly happened in the background without you knowing. Yet, completely change the connectivity of the year buds, both between them, and between your phone and Earbud, so a lot of people reported that they had these cutouts You Know Your Typical Bluetooth cutouts, but they would. It would sound the same as if your phone was two rooms over, and maybe you know you've forgot how far away your phone was in a kind of gets choppy, and then it reconnects when you turn. Turn your head or whatever to be closer, but that would happen when the phone was in your pocket. or in a backpack, or in my case in a waste pack while I run, it would be kind of weird and it was. It was weird because it was the difference between having the phone. You're facing outward in your pocket or inward in your pocket could be the difference between the Pixel Buds Bean perfects and cutting out all the time, and it was bad enough that it just got you know there was this huge. You know threads on read it and the Google support forums, etc.. or Google actually was able to release a firmware. Update that for me, fix. Fix The entirely I only had them kind of intermittently in my original kind of first couple of weeks using them. I didn't think it was a big con. Because I just assumed, Bluetooth is still flaky, but I haven't had anything I can hold the phone any which way I want I can do the typical. Put it in my pocket and cover it with my hand, which is usually kind of the way to get Bluetooth to cut out doesn't matter going runs or walks, take phone calls music. It doesn't matter it's just it just hangs on and it's crazy that. I guess I could be released that badly at the start, and then it could be addressed in a single firmware update. And at the same time, they also addressed this problem that I never thought was an issue, but Paul ause you get. Couple seconds of kind of like a static hiss kind of a bed of his noise that lasts after the pause. They killed that entirely. Which again is like? How did you not like if it was that easy to fix I'm sure it wasn't easy, but if it was fixable, how did it launch like this? When of course we remember, these things took like six months after announced to come out because Google I mean Google. Does this all the time it I mean you started off in Beta. As as So. For patients for months and months, and then by. Every Pixel is really good by January and. Then they go on sale and then people start buying them. And then Ben's Hsun rights another editorial. The high should never buy a pixel phone launch and continues. Yeah then I'm so. They're still. They're still expensive. Ear Buds, and you have to be willing to pay extra to have this really nice small case, and these really cleverly designed ear buds, and the Nice really good microphones in the auto adjusting volume like all these little things that are just really nice and I just appreciate the design of them in order to spend that much one hundred eighty dollars, but I just feel like it's worth it especially when you don't have to then say oh well, but they have these intermittent connection issues because they just don't anymore. I would bet money that this will not fix the problem for a lot of people like. Of course you will find there. Is like the most. Just UN unexpected it has the most unexpected problems they crop up all the time it. They are nebulous and. They will and just capricious. That's that's the word of the day move Christmas. It is just A. It's a tire fire of a standard. And it's funny, because like I have had no problem for example with job as ear buds Jabra's lead, sixty five t seventy five ts all the various, no problems over for dinner. You know two generations for your buds, no problems. Our friend over at Andrews Police David. Ruddick has had nothing but problems with those same ear buds. We hear about issues all the time. The jobbers quality control. So it is just one of those things. I'm guessing Google trying to fix the problem as quickly as possible. I'm bringing this up in relation to. Microsoft's first ear buds efforts in the surface here. Buzz which I. I put a photo of myself on twitter I was he saw? Hang Man I didn't recognize without those poker chips in your ears. What are doing it's been. It's been an interesting. I'm actually enjoying this very opinionated product. It is something that. Microsoft has done more and more often in the last few years. Put out products that it can. It stands behind as just having a very distinct. Design having a very distinct set of features. that it will back up with you. Know whatever software. Integration it thinks necessary I do not care about using powerpoint with my surfer's ear buds. Appreciate the fact that they are not. They sound great and they have a full sound without being. Uncomfortable, and they don't have a ton of passive isolation. So they're open ish more like air pods than they are like the least seventy five ts. or The. Google Pixel Buds. But the they're just a very fascinating to me. I think Microsoft more right than wrong, but there's some weird things that are not here like there's no auto play pause. There's no wireless charging. They look kind of Funky the case size. Its, Name Right. No, it's not. It's not that big it's. It's more squared off in longer than the missile buds, but it's closer in size to like. The Galaxy Galaxy Buds case I was Gonna say that's what I remember from. The hands on I haven't seen him since then, but yeah, it's smarter than you think right because that's kind of my thing is for true wireless ear buds by benchmark now as it has to start with a really tiny case or I just don't Care Yep, agree and I I. It doesn't have wireless charging ahead on the case. No, it doesn't for get it. Come on. That should be just which. Job Res- Ray. So. Bre advertised a wireless charging case as an add on for the league seventy five t series. Area. And it's not available so. I'm guessing it's not happening. Talking about another capricious standard, I love me somewhere else charging, but it annoys me. You know every day at least twice. All the time. Oh, that's it. That's your. That's your comment. Yes sir. Tweet, yeah. Send it, but I will say that I'm excited to hear. The got his software up to firmware. Update on the buds. those things made a fool of made a mockery of me. I gave them a glowing review after having four days of uninterrupted delight with them, I said I went outside took a walk, and they immediately started crap in the bed. Not having good with all those connection issues, so I'm glad to hear that your firmware update has landed Andrew. I have tried to apply that update three times. And then become so frustrated over the course of three minutes trying to trying to make it happen. That just left the room so the Sunday they'll be happy. For anybody else trying the only way I got to work, was I. Just took them out of the case and let them sit there next to the phone connected for about a half hour i. put them back in the case, and I put the case on the charger, and when I came back to them about an hour later, they had done the thing I have not seen. A way to force or follow some kind of Conomic code to make it work. Everybody just says like it'll happen. The problem is the Pixel Buds APP says updated. Let's. The thing doesn't do it. It's great. It is the biggest troll move I've ever seen can. We can talk about like ethics in. Journalism for a moment. Michael Yes because I I know you talked a little bit about this stuff with the Marquette I. Just want to bring up one thing like. That exact situation. The Pixel Buds are great. During the time that you review it, you release a canonical review. It's four out of five or whatever equivalent and then they're actually not nearly as good as you say they are in your view. In fact, you would like to change that opinion. What what you do I mean. What is your for us? We go back to the to the site. site. We publish a review. You often do that six months later, but you don't have the the ability to just go back and make these edits your video. What's your thinking around changing the narrative of something that is so set in stone when you publish it, it absolutely sucks. you cannot, unless you are massive firm and I didn't even know this until I did that podcast with Marquez. Company you can go in and do a video replace, which has some crazy behind the scenes stuff Google for yeah, but you know one can do that like no one can do that, so you have to leave a pinned comment if you're a reviewer who has put up a video and you want to change the conclusion or or the price changes or the phone gets recall de la note seven and you don't WanNa. Take the video down. YOU BELIEVE A. A pinned comments where everyone can see it and that's about all I. don't even think I did that for Pixel Butts, because it wasn't really like I had intermittent connection issues the day after publication. Then it was fine for a while, and then I realized I was getting frustrated more and more often, so I'm GonNa go to that today. Actually thank you. You for reminding them and tell everybody to be on two nine six, but it's an inherent limitation the platform and until youtube comes up with a solution it will continue to be I will say that you were not always able to make the changes. You're able to make now as Youtuber. We can go in and like snip stuff out if you say. Say something you want to take out. If you can like, take a sentence out you can. You can re cut the video and not lose all your views, and all your comments, and all that, but it is nowhere near as easy as needs to be further kind of reporting that you can much more easily do writing article which you can then just. Paste six paragraphs to the top of if you want to the day after it's great I, missed that. It is I mean yeah, there is benefit to that, but it's also. There's also a an ethical. Minefield around. Yeah, editing published content, and not disclosing as well so we try to do both we try to make it very clear where definitely changes and what we've changed. Thank, you for that I appreciate I appreciate you stepping on that minefield for us. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back and talk about. Phones were fun. Seated ooh! This episode of the under central. 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That's different. Yeah, they added a couple of the conveniences. Little things like the built in screen. Recorder I think is here now, which is handy if you're content creators like us, it it. Fultz with a few things I really liked the update because he. Gestures but I use Nova launcher, so that breaks them and that sucks. Gestures would make a lot of sense on that screen. Oh do last night. you know how many times I swiped in from the right side because I'm laying in bed like. Scrubbing read it and I'm like I can't swipe. At sucked. To reach all the way down to. A, just use the. Not Touch one you I. I. Can I just liked the way Nova lunch looks looks like the way I can customize use my own eye contracts and stuff, but it's been really great. I encourage people to watch that episode of into the fold. It is the most recent one and. I look. My favorite thing about it is, it hasn't broken and most of the people I know who also. Carry them on the Internet. Having broken either it's just so so it's such a tragic thing that that's the third question I get asked by everyone who sees me using it. What is that does that the oh? Is it broken? Is it for? It's really fragile right like? It's more fragile than most phones. Yes, but it's not gonNA break if you look at it funny, there's a great video from a contractor on Youtube who reviewed it actually and he was like He. Every day, it's amazing. It did kind of. Let it helped me think about how a folding phone could be used in enterprise in the enterprise market right? Yeah, when they think if if you think about it right like yes, the internal screen is is inherently softer, but the fact that you are folding on top of it means that you can, you can protect it more easily. Reason we came up with clam shell phones in the first place twenty years ago. Yes, as long as the sufficient is sufficient, protections are in place as they should have been from day one, but in true well. Yeah, don't get me wrong. Doug its own grave with this thing. In a real heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not saying it's not deserved. I'm just saying that's it. That is not the device you know it's like what's the analogy you know it's like you've you. You build a prototype. Car and the test driver gets killed because it's it's. It's a prototype, but I read this production, and you fix that problem, but it still carries the stigma of that. Of that crash I felt a little I. mean this is kind of off topic, but I felt a little bit about that with the SPACEX launch. Last couple of weeks right like the early nests for for the for the Falcon rocket when it was landing on on those docs in the ocean on the drapes. Yeah, the drone ships. They blew up a lot of time or they. They weren't successful and it wasn't that long ago that the last. The last one did not go to dunk. Oh, so well, and yet there is. There was enough confidence that they had fixed those problems and that they wouldn't happen again this time. In the last I think three or four landings have been flawless. Yeah, and I think it's I think NASA is even willing to take for granted that that era of you know that you know the rockets. Essentially disintegrating upon landing is over, and that's great it is. The the key differences I don't WanNa I. DON'T WANNA sound like an apologist because the key differences. Of course, it wasn't a prototype. It was being sold to people, and it was breaking way too easily so that yeah, it should never have happened this way and the same way. You don't put crew on an experimental rocket you know. Unless there's a special rip good well, the good thing is that these long term. Impressions seemed to be that. It's held up way better than anybody would have thought even considering that the bar was pretty pretty darn low. Yes, and that will hopefully be resurfaced when we start talking about a second generation fold and everybody will start to go back and ask those questions and revisit the original, because that's really the only way that you can rebuild confidence. Is You know when you come up? Up with the next one look back at those previous ones like how okay assess. How bad was it? How bad are the Galaxy Z. flips that have a slightly better technology on the screen covering How does that compare to what we're seeing going forward and that's really the only way they can erase. It just stinks that they've had to start from negative position rather than a neutral one. Yes, very true. Okay, on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, your most recent video. is about the Jelly to is. Small phone that you are listening to people. Is a sequel obviously to the first Jelly phone my. By, a company called unit hurts which. Has A. Chequered history I would say. I would say it's A. Ridiculous record of of humoring and unexpectedly, occasionally delighting, but mostly confusing us that that black very clone. You showed off on your keyboard phone. Was the harassment your God. I've actually. Defended myself with a Titan before. Such a massive object names. They can make a little jelly. Jelly is officially the Jelly to Jelly phone to the Jelly to my friend. Yeah, I, it, what a pendulum swing to because that Titan I just I did not really Hold any punches on, Titan, on the keyboard phones video, because it's, it's just a direct rip off, and I think the only reason blackberry didn't end up suing him as because they didn't think it was going to be worth it because they just ripped off the passport and features, and all some of the interfaces even copied. But Jelly to is this. It's pint-sized little. The three inch phone that runs android ten, and at every turn because of the Titan I was like this is going to turn to crap right now here it is here's where I start to hate it, and it never happened the only thing it does poorly in a really poorly is the camera which you expect from a very cheap very tiny niche phone for nobody. But everything else is so much fun. Great at the end that you mentioned it it. Does the palm phone idea dramatically better? For less than half the price, and without all of the without all the pomp about it, saying like a wool, this is the companion phone to this phone, and you have to be on verizon and there's all this like lifestyle stuff. Like well, we made a tiny phone and we think that there are probably people that want like you said a a summer weekend phone. Like pretty much actively discourages you from interacting with for long periods. Absolutely, there's also something to be said for the fact that unit hurts. While keeping the form factor relatively unchanged, improving it in almost every measure in terms of aesthetics, just demolished the original SPEC sheet. Right? You better screen resolution larger display. Much higher resolution cameras double the battery. Android ten versus android seven. Six Gigs of Ram, one hundred twenty gigs of storage versus two and sixteen respectively. The original had nine hundred and fifty her make million power battery just like unacceptable, even a couple of years ago so. Yeah, I mean this is this is what's the processor in it? I forget two media tech P. Sixty. I think okay, so it's really powerful. It's not particularly powerful, but it also like flies because it's not driving that many pixels and you really can't do enough to to make it fall behind. It's so small that the mini you try to do a bunch of things at once. Like what am I? This is no, no, no, no, that's not. Tasking on exactly the only place that I felt the speed cruncher, the power of crunching that processor was on the Modem I was standing next to my girlfriend had her note. Ten plus out were on the same site on T. Mobile. She's getting twenty nine, twenty, one down and nineteen up and I'm getting six and six. You know it's Yeah, that's the only place that really really slow down, but my thing was like. Here's the thing. It's a great product I still don't I. Don't know anyone in my real life who I would say. You need to go by this. 'cause people who shouldn't be looking at their phone all the time or who wanNA minimalistic phone don't need everything Android, ten offers, and the people who keep saying comments and their rewrite to an extent. It's a good running phone. It's a good phone to take out for a quick. Johnson just it's just in case instagram phone at whatever you know, no I connected. smartwatch is way better get because. You don't have to with my I. Run with my Pixel for Excell or my guest twenty ultra fine. Though so I'm. And Yeah but people run with even iphone eleven pro maxes like. The the doing things actively with a fo- with a large phone is a lot easier to manage than swapping your Sim card to a different phone. Every time you want to go on a bike ride, right or you leave the home because you've connected. Smart Watch that you know that still serves a purpose. When are back with your regular phone? The watched? You don't have to take your watch off when you move back into your regular. You the Jelly to would just sit in a drawer when you're not, you know. Doing whatever so? It, it's a confusing product, but again you know. The real thing I wish I'd gone into this. A little deeper in the video is you're right. It's the palm comparison palm had to drum up all of these reasons to adopt the palm lifestyle at had to like. Make you think it was cool in order to justify a whatever it was a four hundred dollar launch price, and its performance was crap, and so is its battery life right so like this thing is. If you're thinking about a palm phone, you should just go get the jelly to. Such the other Marta thirty bucks. The pomp phone was was a CDMA exclusive product for most of its life. Oh, I had forgotten about that so horizon thing. Yeah, most people didn't have access to it. It wasn't just somebody could buy off Amazon for two hundred Bucks Ryan. You know it's it's. It's very cool that they're doing this thing. Yeah, they're going so they're going so below even the smallest like experience x to compact from four years ago like they're going tiny. It's a three inch display, and so it really is almost to the level of being absurd, but it's just. It's just very fun. Yep Speaking of which I. Brought my. Accede to compact out whatever it's called a couple of days ago, and I applied all of the patches that had since I. Believe June of Twenty Nineteen. Sony does not do. It doesn't it doesn't do unified. UPDATES, it doesn't really seem to. It's a seamless updates, so it has to hit each one over the course of two days. I updated this phone. It was excruciating but. Did you like. Done like what you do. Did you receive impact of it? I do I so love this form factor. Michael I, wish more phones were the size I mean. That's kind of why dig the iphone se I bought myself I i. See and I just I've been using it more than I've been using my iphone ten a tent or whatever it's called eleven pro-. all right. Let's talk about your other series. That is apparently just blowing up the Internet right now. When full her fun so fully. This has been kind of A. What is a Labor of love for you? I would say over the last little bit. Yes, sir, yeah, this is my new favorite thing. It started with the Matrix phone which. Was a part of the. Matrix reloaded back in two thousand three. By the way Jose deserves so much props for that thumb now I know. I say to anyone who will listen Jose my thumbnail designer, a super genius. One point two million views right now by the way. Congratulations thank you. Thank you quite unexpected. Frankly when you're launching a new series and it says Esoteric as hey funds where a lot more fun twenty years ago. You don't know that it's going to be a success at all. So having that having that be one of the two videos that's crossed. The million mark in less than a month is is great or in a month. Okay, so walk walk through the. Just the sheer breadth of this because you have a lot of options, you have a lot of phones to choose from when in the first two, you were focusing on individual phones right? The Matrix phone. And then the Motorola are aura none, the seconds of the third and fourth were series right with the sidekick, and then just every ridiculous Nokia phone between two thousand and one and two thousand three. Yes. Walk us through how you decided to fit this into your schedule. So here's the thing we all. We're all familiar with the idea of hey, it's a slow news week. We don't have a new phone and we didn't have any computer in, but I could ebay this laptop from nineteen ninety-seven for forty bucks, and that could be fun to look back and see how far we've come. I've been doing that for ages pocket now. Where I got my start, they've done new in the pocket throwback for longer than that and so this the the format is not new. It was the packaging of it that that I stumbled upon as a result of quarantine. I don't watch a lot of youtube videos. I don't know if you guys do. I I spent so much time creating youtube videos that I just don't don't really like watching them for some reason and. I ran into my exception because I ran out of net flicks and I was. Staring at the TV waiting to not go outside because. You know and I started just binging. Youtuber called L. Gr which stands for Lazy Game. Reviews and this man has made a a life. Basically running old software on old computers from the that he that he builds and the reason. This was instructive for me. Was That H.? One of those videos had like three hundred thousand views every single video of his over the course of the past decade. and. I realized that if you package it in digestible way that people will be like okay well. You know instead of people coming to a channel in saying I wonder if Mr Mobile has something to say about the hallway, P forty. And instead he's talking about a two decade old phone. You kind of tune out like that's not what I'm here for. But if you package, it is a series really. No, this is what we talk about, and we do it once a week and I take you twenty years back in time. We talk about my first camera phone. People not only show up for that, but in time when the world seems to be absolutely falling apart at every conceivable seem. People are even more predisposed to that existing nostalgic impulse than they would otherwise be. And I am more disposed to create it because God I need an escape to right. So it was just the confluence of perfect timing and the shed. The idea for the title came to me in the shower. You know if you test. That, that's the thing. Don't take. Don't take your phone and your shower. If you can help it, I do it a lot because I tweet from the shower a lot. Don't do it. It's the last refuge of like original creative thought. We don't have a screen in front of your face. Don't take what. What what like what you need to do. Take Tweeden the shower I listened to. I'd list continue my listening to my podcast that I was listening to getting shower. That's that's what I used to do. And then I got a Google home speaker and there so now I'm. I'm better off, but yeah To answer your question, I kind of start the email onslaught in the morning I start chipping away at it in the shower, so that I can swipe away all the overnight pitches, but I'm just stop doing that because I clicked a spam link by accident. I wasn't awakened so yeah. That's what you do. I gotta I got a very very good net flicks phishing email yesterday. I didn't really I mean I didn't wasn't close to clicking on it, but like it was extremely extremely good and watch on somebody. I just I worry about this man he to you should. It's they're getting better. He got to be careful out there. Everybody where your mask don't click on spam links. So I, I know where I'm spending the virus twenty nine minutes and forty nine second. It's watching L. Jars, the windows me experience. Was it that bad? Yes, yes, I. Love. The haven't watched it I'm very interested. Thank you for sharing that that Youtube channel with me. Okay, it's a little What's what's coming up next for you? For when phones refund when phones were fun coming up tomorrow? As we record this, it'll be live by the time this goes up. I think The is I camera phone It is not the first Samsung camera phone. It's not the first camera phone, not even this first sprint camera phone. But, it is the a six hundred, and it's notable because it was the first to make shooting with the phone, not so awkward. Thanks to some innovations that are still really cool seventeen years later. so I'm just just very excited to push live, even though I'm aware that it's not going to be like the Matrix phone or the or it's not going to take off. This is going to be a million plus video, but you know what sometimes the the nature of Youtube is not just a survey profitable ended. The nature of Youtube is to serve itself. Von Clausewitz. Writes in the. I'm very excited for that. My first camera phone was the. LG, shine if you remember g shine, I. Don't remember that one. When was it a to make Pixel Camera Whoa the slick at the time What year was it two thousand eight? What's your camera phone? How about that? Yeah I had some I had a like a flippy phone before then Okay, I want you remember the Ma. The problem is I can't remember the model number exactly at they didn't all have nice name seen the. L. Actually was the one of the only companies doing the. Predictable, naming, or at least know memorable naming conventions. It had the algae chocolate the secret the LG shine. The. Giving them their own names at LG, the V for Verizon or envy, of course, these plays on words Yeah, the one I know what you mean, the one I'm doing is the Samsung H.. Six hundred which you know does does not exactly roll off the tongue. So! All find it, but basically it's the the the generic silver LG flip phone that has whatever one point two megapixel camera, and it has a Muir on the outside Oh for selfies, yeah, rather than an exterior, dot, Matrix, display, or anything it has the mirror selfie. Did you have? A was an led panel on the outside with flashing multicolored lights. No. Just the mirror no ellison. Display at all. I'm looking might have been A. To it was a, it was a singular device singular. David showed me commercials from singular back in the day last night, as we were talking about old phones and remember the Splat man remember a horrendous that branding was. The best thing they ever did was by at and T., and then decide. You know what we're taking your name. It's better. Oh, no, okay. That's right, so I'm getting them. I'm getting them confused because it did have an external CD. This is the C. Two thousand. This looks as close as possible to what I recall It had a camera with a camera like a shudder cover Oh was a Muir the mirror itself was. The cover was the little flippy shudder cut. Oh, now i. see it yet, because much much like the flip phone you were talking about. It's like there was just to protect the interior stuff like that was still a time when we just had lots. Lots of physical covers for things. You still had a lot of USB. Port covers an own all that one of the amazing things about taken apart old tech dude is by the way a there are tons of people out there who will who are very awesome people and we'll send you stuff or send me stuff more properly just so that it can be seen on video the only reason I have a six hundred is because one of your one of your Canadian friends Daniel bearer, and by friends I just mean another Canadian citizen. Now we all know each other. Was Nice enough to just to to buy a unit for me and ship it. I tried to pay him repeatedly I. Even said this is not my money is that we have a budget for this? It's fine, and he was like no. I couldn't possibly So what sort of gentleman? What did I emmerson? Thank you Mike and Thank you. Martin for all your no kids and Yada Yada. But loved. You're not of the Oh by the way where you got the numbers confused. Thirty, six, fifty, thirty, six, thirty, thirty, six fifty I. If if if the mistakes got into your final voiceover, I can only imagine how many of them were in your drafts. What a disaster I was selling phones in two thousand three I? Remember how hard it was to tell a thirty five sixty from a seventy six fifty. They all looked so different different, and then era either series didn't even make sense different, wild, looking seventy, six, hundred right next to a phone. That looks normal. That's like seventy five twenty. Anyway but what was the thing, the other thing? That's amazing Oh. I don't remember what what what it was, but it was debate codes I. I had to go into hunt through. fifteen-year-old forum posts last night to try to find the field test codes to get into old phones and Z. Guinea straight that like extending the antenna on these old things actually did affect the our F- that was like a conspiracy theory back in the day is just just a piece of plastic. They just put that on there to make. You feel better doesn't really do anything. All those people who said that are from Long Island by the way. and. He would fire up the field test screen and then Oh there it has. Boss See. I can't do the boss next without swearing so I can't do that. Well we can keep it, it's. Not Worth. So. Yeah I was looking up. My I guarantee you by the way when you were talking about your phone andrews looking up his everybody on listening to this just stopped listening for a few minutes while they went to e Bay or Wikipedia. I could get one for fifteen dollars apparently HCC INSPIRE FOUR G for thirty seven bucks off. Ebay, he's reviewing it free see. He just posted some photos on twitter as we were broadcasting, and they look tremendous seeing an and this is what was fun about this to seeing an old phone photograph with modern equipment and modern techniques. synchrony! Would would because every video from back then is like you know a four ADP. Quick and dirty camcorder video uploaded to a youtube. That wasn't even didn't even exist yet. Almost every review I've ever recorded. At the. That's been. The funniest. Contrast is seeing these tiny little pixelated displays. Four K. on Youtube. It's like there's no way they were that bad, but yeah, they were like one one fifty by one fifty or something on this tiny little thing I will tell you. I just remembered what I was GonNa say the biggest surprise to me. dudes has been the unexpected physics lesson. You unblocks these things after you get them for thirty bucks on Ebay, or whatever and you know. The covers rubber covers that used to cover up things like the headphone Jack or the charging port or the stop that will prevent a flip from crashing down to its keys and scratching the screen. All that stuff is rubber. It's synthetic rubber and undergoes a process called rubber reversion, which I had to look up in the folks. Polymer Solutions Taught me all about it with their awesome website, and it's it. The rubber literally reverts over time to its constituent components. She opened up this phone. That's otherwise in good shape and these stoppers that are supposed to prevent the scratching on the keys have. Have turned to Goo and you get these stringy latex strands just like careening across the the device and you're like. Oh, gross, 'cause the rubbers liquid now and you have to kind of I. Imagine I have no context for this, but I was wiping off a of that crap from the a six hundred yesterday, and I was like is this. Is this what it is to change a diaper? What it had. No, no, that's mercer town. It depends on the age of the baby, but I think at the beginning it's it's a little bit more like that. Ideally you don't get anything on your on your hands off. I got it. was very dirty. After this I actually loved the little. The little chemistry episode there because it's a very well known to thing in cars from the late nineties and early two thousands, a lot of Ferraris, porsches in particular that were really well known for having every single button in the entire control stack just turned to go. Oh, awful, because you're trying to sell like these these classic cars. They're not thirty seven dollars like three hundred thousand dollars right, and the and the buttons urologist Groupie and grows. Like a process by which you can replace all of the front, Buttons Leno's entire collection is just like melting in his garages. It's slowly turning into the sea of rubber. Lack, so it's a funny thing because everything before that is fine, and then apparently we figured this out and you know everything after that is fine. There's just like this ten to fifteen year period right when all these phones were being made. Made where yeah! Just I guess didn't know didn't think about you know. Would this Nokia thirty five sixty really be in use Brian E. Five years later made the last like that at all. No and I. It's there's a little cottage industry of like the last remaining part. Of Youtube. That's like weird old youtube. You can go find videos on how to D on How to revoke and is old rubber and. Talcum powder on it or something like there's there's a way you can save it. Apparently, I just wipe it off walk. Eventually disintegrates, and then you get to the T. One thousand core underneath. Kills you and it looked. That's actually one thing that. I found interesting. I didn't really think about you weren't able to actually use most of these phones. Were analog or two g only as the big bummer. Man Like even when you throw your same fix, servers returns this I. Haven't been on in a decade, and that was a server dependent phone. Your carrier is like no in the case of sprint. We're like we don't activate those devices anymore. And then you get into these really weird reasons why you think it's a prophet thing, but no, it turns out. There was a there was a security issue with the way those phones authenticated themselves on the network, so it's a security hole that they eventually had to close and even t mobile I'm like L.. Save me I'll just throw my symon with semper. It'll be fine, but I thought he mobile in many markets is. Down it's the GSM side or they hasn't shut it down, but prevents authentication of edge. Only devices yeah I think not does the same thing, yeah? Spectrum allocation I imagine I. Don't know but yeah and T. Mobile's case. It's reforming right so it. It is a bummer not to be able to like. Make phone calls on these things or in many cases, get the media off of them because I've wanted to do an intro role in in glorious. Ten second. Second, one, twenty, eight, by one sixty video, or whatever but. No we're going really long, but I love this conversation I wanNA. Talk like. Be Bring up the fact that you can't really access edge networks anymore. T. Mobile's voltage network died on Tuesday night. Andrew it just like there was a circuit overload. All the redundancies failed when people all over the US couldn't make phone calls, and this was largely because analog phone calls are done until T. Mobile. They've transitioned most of their network to I M S. Through Volpi. Those connections were not being made. A lot of people thought it was just a denial of service attack, but it wasn't. It was one of there was no one of their. Back haul providers, all their servers died during a software update, and then the redundancies failed because the circus got overloaded like it seems like a very is it seems like a power grid cascading failure equivalent in on the phone side, and we saw that really out to now everybody else, and all the other carriers thinks that their carrier as a problem because every phone call has two sides and. And you know a verizon and eighteen d customers thought that they had problems, and they didn't and T. mobile customers thought they had a lot of data problems, and really it was more like the voice network and interconnects, and the funny thing was the t mobile came out, and said well. It wasn't that bad. Only one in five phone calls were not able to be made like twenty percent. Of Your phone calls like we don't accept like anything less than like five nines of consistency and in that in that phone call. You're telling me forty or sorry. Twenty percent went down for something like twelve fifteen hours like that's bananas. Yes, I mean this is. This is a company that when it. When it eats sprint and combines its customer base will have a one hundred and thirty million subscribers right now. I think t mobile has. Eighty five million? We talk about how phone calls are dead, but it is clearly not the case especially right Maryland. During a pandemic people need to make phone calls, so the companies have technology novel Ray issued an apology blog posts a congressional hearing congressional. Group wants to investigate the. Sorry the FCC wants to investigate a jeep. said that there will be an investigation There there've been calls for Congressional hearing into making sure that this doesn't happen again there. There are some serious implications for your voice network, going down for twelve hours or eight hours, or whatever it was not a great start, somebody seaver CEO tenure, no kidding. Ledger definitely spilt Margarita somewhere in the Bahamas when he saw this news. I think he's A. He's a verizon customer. Now let's be honest. Savage. All right so I just want to mention before we go that. We are currently doing our own sort of went phones refund. Yeah, project on the site. It's called Techno Stahl. And we have four posts on android central that have been published as. our recording. There will be five time this goes. Live on Sunday. There are also four on window central five on more. And Really Michael You inspired this. This was a conversation that we had internally about how we can leverage some of the excitement about nostalgia. That's going around, obviously everybody. Is Stuck home. They're looking through their closets for old clothes and old tech, and were there just being more? Thoughtful about you know. Consumption General and things like that lot of spring cleaning going on, and this got US thinking. How can we participate in this cultural movement? So a lot of us are writing about our first android phones are Wagner who's been on the show. Many Times wrote about how she lit, loves and misses android phones with physical keyboards. Today Jerry, hildenbrand. Who unfortunately could not be here today? He wrote a very very incisive. It's called. quit line to yourself. android sucked prior to two thousand seventeen. Not at all controversial and is definitely not blowing up the Internet right now. So I encourage you go to the website and read it. We've also embedded a bunch of. Michael's videos on there. So you can go check those out as well Michael said your. Your next video is going to be about your first videophone. What else do you have in the pipeline for the rest of June yet I camera phone, not videophone importantly because are canes later. That's that's what made people by the next one you understand, the videos that will follow include speaking of weird networks that were occasionally prone to failure, but otherwise pretty solid I'm so looking forward to win. Phones were fun Colon Nextel now. Yet bitty either special place in your heart absolutely. A? Seven I didn't video on annual basis. I'd pretty much just signed the dream to put at push to talk videos. Once a year I got to figure out how to get past the registration issue. Because if I didn't phones couldn't register on the network. They just wouldn't even let you play with them, so I gotTA figure out how to get past that. So Yeah Nextel also messaging phones going to do a whole phone another Nokia like roundup, where I just get a bunch of omen, just cordy dumb phones that came out when texting was blow and everything up fun fact, one of those is responsible for joining facebook because it had a facebook. Java App so thank you for nothing g rumor. And There's a there's a there's a few more cool. Win The whole, and then we'll. We'll just get deeper and deeper as we go in I'm going to do about polyphonic ringtones do one about led's there. There's there is a bottomless well of past to draw on so I intend to keep mining it. For as long as people will watch the summer of physics. Deed. Yes, all right well. That's amazing I. Encourage you to check it out. And That's that's that's very cool. Good congratulations. Honestly, you're your last few videos. Success is obviously so well deserved, but it's amazing to see you blow that one million. A view count. I've been very very happy to do it and thank you and I'm really glad that you guys are doing something similar because I can't wait to watch, I assume how does is going to be a video. Is that right? It is yeah it'll be. I can't wait to watch that and I'M GONNA look forward to reading the pieces this weekend to so. And you're getting close to a million subscribers to so thankfully. Yeah, that's that's going to happen soon I'm. I'm very eager to hit that and then immediately take a month off. Salute. Under that. You haven't checked him out yet. I mean, of course you have a few listening, but go to YouTube. DOT COM SLASH MR mobile the Minister Mobile Salinas is don't forget. You're also Mr Mobile on twitter and instagram right yes, Sir all right Andrew. You're at Andrew Martin. I am at journey Dan. We are at android central and I haven't asked. I asked you for one thing every week. Email me at podcast. Android central with your first phone. I phone that you bought I. I love Love Love hearing about the early technology that that made you into a phone nerd. We all have that story. I also have an ask. We haven't talked about it in a few months, but we have a sister podcast on the mobile nations network called Jiggle physics. podcast hosted by three incredible women. It is about games right now. There are so many games playstation five. Play last night with with Star Wars squadrons so much talk about. Please go subscribe to Jiggle Physics. It is an amazing our of gaming news and reviews and discussion that deserves way way way more listeners then it gets, and it just is an incredible incredible experience. Please go subscribe and leave them. If you haven't already leave them a review on itunes or wherever you can review things that really really helps so thank you so much for that and with that we will leave you for another week. We'll be back next Friday with a post DUB DUB. Breakdown of everything that apple stole from Google this time around high name is Daniel Baiter. We'll talk to you next week. Bye Stay Mobile.

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It's a big episode and we pulled long hours, plenty of strings and a few muscles even. Trying to get this together. We do hope that you enjoy without further ado, here's the ship. Iowa. Hello, everybody and welcome to episode three to eight of the weekly brought to you by pocket now and developers. Recorded on Thursday, the eighteenth of October twenty eighteen from wow way too. Well, while way to love it a Porsche. But really wa- way. Yeah, that's what we're going to talk about today. I'm your moderator and this case I got four people surrounding me to two and two. We got a panel here to to to people fleeing. Give me it's Joshua for Gara what's going on everybody and on my right, your left. We have for savant. David Mel, of course, known of Android authority, David Kogan over here the on locker at that doesn't unlock anything and high made a. And of course, we have well sitting on the floor today is Michael Fisher, the Mr. mobile himself to flank you know, either way. Whatever side you need. Someone someone say, what time it is right now it is to seventeen the morning who seventeen. In London time we've got ketchup mustard, and a glass of old wine here catch a must. The well-named Brown sauce, which I am. I look. Browns Brown, is that Browns. We'll valley. They were like, we need good branding. What should we call this Brown. All right. So we have been here in London for a number of days mainly because of the hallway. And of course, the wa wa, wa, wa, wa alway may twenty pro, but it's not the only one that we saw. Right. So we're going to get into the while we may twenty pro, which is the one I believe all of us are holding in one way or another. We did also get while p p while we may twenty s as well. So we're going to content between the two, but there's way more to more to more alway more in a way. It's a lot more on while way more. Yeah, while way more, yes. A Leyland more. What else happened at this event which happened in the middle of central London was a mad house. Let's go in and talk about all of that stuff. So while we may twenty while we may twenty pro, what was what came next, what he want start with, I think would would we were they minutes, wait till the very end for the big surprise. Right. So the next thing we got in the sequence was the old sickly surprise. Yeah, yeah. Oh, right away. While while we watch GT. So we want talk won the one, whatever you want to start off with. This is all in the same segment for for this. You mean the where with not wear the not internally, but visually it's like, I mean, yeah, it looks like. Yeah. Yes. So I feel like I'm, I may not be alone in this, but every year that way announces a new smart watch I, I expect them to revisit the success of the first generation one which was brought a Swiss designer into design watch. And every year it seems like we kind of get a rehashed while we watch too. I watched to classic whatever. It's very familiar body, but it's the most interesting thing about it. It's not running where west. Yeah. Okay. So my question in that case is like we have a brand new us what they call it flow flight. OS flights. Alright, flight light, light Lewis. Yeah, flight flow and does this isn't a signifying we have ties in. Obviously we have other operating systems in the wearable space ones. I might be proprietary to those wearables like Fitbit and whatnot is where lesson trouble. If while we has abandoned it for this year's wearable, just just think about this. I mean, how many processors from Qualcomm are being used by wa- way right now is zero. And so the thirty one hundred which is the. Processor that we were waiting for. We are waiting for which just launched today on the Mon Blunk. Days ago to launch is the first thirty one hundred processor the processor that whatever they created, which they provided no details on is exactly the same thing only made by wall way, but obviously because there's like the sort of partnership with Google where this thirty one hundred 's exclusive to where it seems that they pulled some str they pulled weight or something where it seems. For them to adopt, whereas they had to adopt a quantum processor. And I guess they didn't. That seems to be, I don't know. I can't speak to the strategic element of it, but I was surprised to see another company trying to develop a new smart watch platform from scratch. I think it's the it looked decent a, yeah, I think it's it's unwise to count out a company like as big as well way at this point for it because Samsung has been pushing on with with ties in for forever. And even though it doesn't really have an ecosystem comparable to wear a West Point, it's what do it every single year and they still sell them, sell them every single year. So like an and given that they're targeting this thing at apparently fitness folks, you know, I don't know. I, it may have a chance. I have to say that personally speaking was on the floor for three different meetings or events, and I walked right past it to get to the phones. So yeah, that's where I'm coming from a little bit. Yeah. So I like to watch because what watches to watches really good-looking, gorgeous thin. It's just squat. I really hope that what we saw at the event is not the final thing because the software was clunky f you used it for a bit. I tried it out at the first pre recently at New York, and it seemed pretty good. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know it for I. They then you didn't you for. I see some of those chubby animations over have million like the touch late and see that was happening on the screen and all that. Okay for what it's worth that can always be corrected before release until always get. But. The way that they implemented the you is seemed decent though in like for a first generation like, oh, s. that's a point. That's a very good point David. But this is also this is also contained entity, right? So we're not really expecting it to have all of this app developer support, right out of the box. Yeah, you're going to have basically why we fit while we health. Yeah. Look while we health on a watch. I mean, this is this is I think at this point everyone is saying the success of the apple watch and thinking proprietary. Not only that. I mean, if you think about it from the business model of China, like in China loan because they own their own app store. Yeah, in China, they can pull their weight there. Yeah, yeah, that product makes sense. So I guess we chat. When we chat. Yeah, and also, yeah. Yeah. No, I was going to make the point that like, yeah, we're looking at this from a western perspective. Pretty clearly not really for us. Yeah. So this watch has beauty moats. This news your wrist? I do honestly think that the the wash looks perfectly fine. And I just remember getting really excited when I knew that that a watch was going to be at that pre brief. And then when I turned it on, I was like, what am I looking at here? You know? And I don't like going to boot much because obviously it's a first generation product is a first generation s I would be excited to see what it can bring to the table. But while we has always been a been one of the darlings of the watch world, I mean, even I remember when we were looking at the while we watch too. We weren't fully convinced until it took us maybe what a week or two of wearing it every single day to realize we really liked it. Is that true? I remember that may be fifty. I never liked that series. Giant waste of time. The first gen anniversary because again, they took the time to have real piece of work. I remember to see people use it and the wall may watch. One are the two still best watches ever. Best-looking watches, ever. Good point. Yes, we got used to the looks I. We had this off the Android thirty podcasts. When I went went ahead. You definitely know. You're like you were like you had gotten used more used to the design. I remember this, you weren't into it. You earn totally into it, but you couldn't take it off because of battery life was I should not too bad. Being of you just said about that, that while we watch to that way watch, yes, you ever seen anything so stylish not really. Okay, right aide on the way over here. This video that it's the strap that really makes me not like that watch. It just feels like not three forty, nine word. Yeah, this this strap is what gave me the impression of a drugstore Timex which I called it in my hands on time to yet. Yeah. And then you combine it with like, how do you like that ultra thick? I have to be honest, I do feel bad kind of kind of dumping on this. This watch so much because this this watch, listen it. We don't have the classic, which is arguably the better looking, which still looks like an LG watcher bane or Ben. Yeah, but here's the problem that while we set it self up, I think for failure here by creating arguably the best looking first generation, Android, we're watch right, everyone's saying, and you know, I obviously that design partnership did not extend to this device. And the upsides of this are that the screen is is bright and awesomely. Oh, lead and stuff, and the runs Android where to know really well, but it's an expensive missed opportunity on every other. You know how I feel about taps swipes like I know rotating crown know, rotating dial like it's just unbelievable. Yeah, very, very surprising. And coming to that doesn't do a lot of missteps anymore. You are that that may be, I may have been wearing it for the duration of that WC. I just did not want to. I always thought that that design was really rather poor and when just wasn't it was very clear. They much effort not as much effort has had. Even the classic. I am shocked at my review of the classic did so well, because I'm like there's plastic with a wall way name on the sides of. Yeah, like what was on their mind such a radical change because the first one was so like so beautiful. I mean, Michael, send it to me all beat up and everything, but it was the fact that the fact that the default watch too was a fitness watch was just like you would the complete opposite direction. Okay, enough. I never thought you loved it. Even like it. Oh, make no mistake. I, I, I, I am the terminal optimism tech. You know what? I appreciate that. Well, I try my best. It can be hard. Sometimes, like for example, blowing up an entire phone in order to throw shade at Nintendo. Uh-huh. Like for me, that's a tall order. Yeah. The bull. Saw what Amelie when it's all the may twenty pro, I may twenty x rather the while we may twenty x appear on there. And right now not brief that by the way, we were not briefed on that phone. I mean and right next to a wasn't intendo switch to my. I thought I said that allow David lamb was right next to me, and he was like, do it was it was David, David, plus David, the you. And you. Thanks. Bye. Bye Davis. That is such a space ballsy straight up just like the screen. And I was like, can I play mega man? Eleven on your phone while wave? No, that's an inference, right? It's it's the specs is now a makes ten great. It's the IP that they own right? It's all the Nintendo games then a stall, GIS, all that other stuff. It's not like they're like, we have a ten eighty p screen. They have a seven twenty. I'm like, but wait, but do you own unintended switch? I do so have you noticed that it's so packed with indie games and like games that you'll see on Iowa's it's like really loaded with that. And then every now and then there's a really good compelling game that a launch don't get me wrong, very wrong. I've only played the games that I know like Nintendo owns the don't get. Don't get me wrong. The Nintendo shoe has something that until then intendo switch continues to be probably my favorite gadget of last year. And this year today, the I p makes a lot of sense. And mobile, but thing is mobile gaming, socially on Android in Iowa, have gotten so great over the last year rate is the word compared to four Imbert before it's good compared to before there are a lot of great titles that are coming on intendo is actually investing in mobile, and there are some pretty great games under coming out these days. Nothing close to the switch. So here's the thing for me. When I saw the presentation of you saw my tweets on the pocket. Now account only. Why? Because first of all, yes, that intend to switch may be a great gaming platform, but it's a terrible gaming product. From a mobile perspective, it's clunky. A after screaming screen is not not terribly, has ruined for improvement, but it's not tear the hardware could be better. It does the job really well, and I see them everywhere and I asked them, I asked about them everywhere, and everyone says that if you ever owned favorites, my favorite gaming device, something, if the Nintendo switch looked like the wall way may twenty x, what would you think I'd be all about it? Exactly. So that's the thing I'm not saying that you're you're blending two worlds together though. Have you ever owned a PS four, a PS three next month. Those are the devices that focus on specs to get the highest possible output than intendo focuses on fun and mobility and mobility, which is wobble Ganz back why it's great. It's great to play mobile games. Because I played on, yeah. S. mobile games are not that level of. But what I guess what I'm trying to say is this may twenty x is literally with an intendo short should be be, can't be no. No, I already did ever be. I can debunk that immediately. The tactile feedback of the controls on there is on the left side and you still rely on the screen for the right side, right? Which if you ever use. It doesn't have a right control polio. Holy. Oh, never mind. On. The Motorola controller for the Moto. Those are pretty those vice grip. Those looks weight, and I don't know. I can't wait to try the controller for this once that comes out of a said, and that'll be like, but that'll be like XBox. That's like an accurate jewels popping in with a plane is holding up the razor phone. Forget about our. Yes, they're still certain habits that I need to pick up from Michael and hosting the show. I'm just here to complain about the camera being exactly. So for me for me to care about mobile gaming, I need, I need to things which then intendo switch nails. It's games where you don't see. Like if I'm if I'm playing a first person shooter, I don't want the soldier that I'm shooting to run in a weird direction which wants I walk in the wall. Exactly that that that's the first thing I need the game. Trolls f you. The second would be tactile controllers. That for me is the key. And so if razor can create a controller that's like it. Like if it can be like the w one chip on the air pods where you can immediately quickly connect to it, and it just somehow magically connects the games and you don't have to be setting up keys and crap like that. That would be me. Yes. All that shit crap. Yes, exactly. Crap. Yes. Wait, wait. But. I think razors is that isn't the control. They announced basically just XBox controller with it looks like clam or the classic immobile with the client. I just don't. I don't like that wants to be swimming. You kind of want it to be like, awesome. The Motorola controller for the wrong. It's called game vice who have who have actually sued intendo for taking what they thought was their patent for these side by side controller. So yeah, game by game vices and having a little bit of trouble actually developing as many controls as possible for all these phones that we all love. So there's there's a little bit of problem with that, but I agree with you. There should be a side-by-side controllers. It makes it a lot easier. Yeah, that's exactly coming back. I would love physical controls while we studios. No. Studios studios. Yes. They don't have a stall Jim that like right. When they live off of guys, if Super Mario odyssey was made today and Mario didn't exist, that was Toby, incredible Game Boy degree is the, it doesn't trade too much on this outer, but it does it relies on it to to a bit too degree. Here's the thing though. The more we talk about it was boring, physical controls being attached to smartphones or more. I remember that like, yeah, mobile games. I'm just not there for him and maybe I'm alone in this and this is this weird? No. You're not only if I attach a physical controller to a smartphone. Yeah, I'm gonna use it to load some roms that you know. From nineteen eighty five. Yeah, which I, by the way. I have a full library of every single super Nintendo game ever. Would you let I would like some of them? Would you like to distribute them to me across my friend. They're all my Google Drive. This episode of the Puckett weeklies brought to you by. Anti-piracy warning. You wouldn't deal you own a car. Don't copy that. I bought legally them. He's made backups what you're allowed to do. It's not going to give them the Fisher. I wouldn't take them. Nobody could totally sell them to you. No, but listen to this. Just notice how much I feel. I feel that it's. I feel I feel that it's. I feel that it's so funny that during that event as much as I feel that the may twenty pros probably one of my favorite phone so far this year. The second. I just found it so shocking that that may twenty x took so much spotlight because regardless of the behemoth of a phone, it is it's got the camera of the may twenty throws me. It's gotta know lead. It's got the headphone Jack that some people care about. It's got this huge fricken battery life. It's big af. It's literally the honor, the honor, no ten, but the fact that it actually supports a stylus. So it's it's God. It's so many things, and yet it's less it's it's two hundred dollars less expensive, almost three hundred dollars less expensive than the may twenty program. And you know, it's weird about that is that it the things that it does do are the things that people care about which is battery life and camera, but they also they also miss something and giant screen, and it's no let it has headphone. Jack, I take. I take a lot of take a lot of. I take a lot of exceptions to the way that they marketed it on saves though because they were trying to call it. It shouldn't be gaming device, an old person device. This is an old people device. No seriously. Like are you? Are you me. Like everyone. Everybody has those people in their family who require bigger screens because their eyesight is going or anything like that. Or maybe they just want the ease of use of a larger screen despite the fact that it's a big screen and means a big phone. It's hard to handle, but there are a lot of people I know who would prefer phone like this and they're all like aids cheaper, and I could see it. Well, let's do it cheaper cheaper in the sense that like a seven thirty, seven cost less than seven fifty. Seven like these are not cheap phone. Yeah, they're not none of them. None of them achieved in any sense. Ninety nine cheap and yet and yet. Yeah. Like dude aircraft, yes. Yes, yes, yes. And yet it's it's got everything that we care about. The may twenty pro in a package that selects expensive and that offers more. Yes. I disagree. I, I feel like the may twenty pro which we're going to talk about it in the second. Yes. Has all of the panache. It has all of the style that this phone lacks the compromises that while it has made to make the mate x. this massive slab more affordable are very evident. You hold it in. It's like it's slab sided. It doesn't. It doesn't taper to two million doesn't actually unlock it with a fingerprint sensor. That is a regular all round thing stuck beneath the beautiful matrix to the may twenty. So it's right. Yeah. And instead of like the under display thing and it doesn't have face on lock, right, and it it's got a ten display. Right? Not that not the irony depth. So there's, there's a lot of compromises that that take away from everything the may twenty pro is this is a phone. I would argue that this phone for like a lot of the people in my comment who every time I run a piece on like that phone without a headphone, Jack, they're like, would this no, by I need something with a headphone, Jack. And also a big screen would be nice and also five thousand. Why don't they put five thousand Milan Brera batteries and phones? Well, there it is for power users of like certain stripe. I was feeling this is is a spec hunter you if you just care about specs that phone ticks a lot of boxes? Yeah, like sodas, this does and I like this phone a lot that may twenty four pro, but I get them the appeal of them in acts. Like I think that that's very much like if you just wanna large screen, you just want the headphone. Jack, you just want the battery life. You want the same processors. All these loans. You want a great camera like check, check, check, check, check that have that. It's cheaper, have added grandpa, and I think, no, I think regular overkill for Graham. I think the may twenty flow. The maturity pro is like something that we're, they want to compete with like apple by basically it's the high end because it is their future device because they put all their newest tech, and this is where we're going. Editor to the ten are. Yeah. Bixby would like me to connect and try again. I apologize. Yeah, you know what, you know what on that? No one we take our first break. This sort of the popular weekly is made possible with support Bica Saito by lutron. And today I want to talk to you about casino by lutron. 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In in parrot in other ones fee twenty y v ten as well. Oh, you're doing right in the face. Nobody. You're not in the right mood though. You did. Yeah, listen. Sorry, that was not very good radio. Everybody ultra-wide camera. I mean it. It really is a very versatile third lens to put in the back of a phone. You pair it with always nightmare. Would you pair with you paired with the three x telephoto, which I'm sure somebody else will talk about. Most versatile camera array. I have seen. I'm personally surprised by the fact that you can use this many lenses on this many modes yet same. I kept trying to like get disappoint myself. Right? I'd like switch over to wide and be like, all right. Now, going to night mode is a great out. Oh, now I can use it. And there is still as aviation in wide electron acceptors, Asia DO. But so I tried it in the Porsche riot today and it was up. So I, I was afraid to go to wide and obviously I can just ask the trainer to drive the car like crazy again. So I only had one shot to do it and I by accident, flipped into the white angle stable af. It was great. I was like, oh my God. Word something we've been waiting for for a while. So why? Why am I excited for the may twenty per so the iphone, the iphone ten where start the galaxy? Right? So I'm looking at it from the from the back and I'm like, this is the Samson gal. No, this is the galaxy s tennis. With v forty camera. This is literally while we took inspiration from a lot of technologies that have been really defining for taste from design to functionality, and they've created this beast, this total beast of a phone. Like I, it's very hard for me not to be. I've never been in a presentation. You know, it's funny when I'm in. I'm in these presentations and and they make them for consumers. Let me tell you. They they, they make them consumers and they're like, oh, it's this an I care, like I don't care about half the things they say, except for this one. I was like, wow, it can. Oh, you can do that. Oh, wow. That was my reaction to absolutely everything. They announced a lot of it. I don't know, like the reverse charge. You don't know if that's gonna be useful for more than once he used it today to help me. Remember to Mike uses today to help me. He was great. You got you, got you. Got four percent. It's real slow, but. My biggest problem is that we weren't briefed on the price. And when they were providing the price, I'm like, okay, why were you want to own this? And you literally this below nine hundred dollars and you're going to own. They won't do that because that was seen as equal, but then all these, no, but they're not. This is the most expensive entry level phone. There is why what? No. No, wait. No, the the the most expensive way to buy the product. So an iphone has nine ninety nine a galaxy. Note. Nine is nine ninety nine thousand nine hundred nine as well. Okay, so this is the first phone that is truly in a price tag for digits. It's ten fifty. Well, that's is configuration now you can. I mean, that's only if the may twenty didn't exist. Ramle. Because the may twenty dozen compare to it, really sure. But you could say the same about the iphone ten s max not comparing to the iphone. But literally they're the same phone just one is bigger than the other battery. Whereas in the case of the may twenty, I know they're entirely they're entirely different. So now I get it from the may twenty pro perspective. This is literally the most expensive phone right now. I don't know if I buy that. I don't. I don't know if you can say that what's the? What's the opo find out? What are the opo find x start at. You know, all kinds of categories stretching phones that have been launch e can find has a lot of stuff that's in this. And you mentioned that this actually has a lot of the design cues from defined defined x.. Yes, it does. I said, I don't know what what the price is defined exes. If you could find it if it's hard to get the foamy deal. Yeah, and it's tough to get this phone, but I had a somebody Rabi an Email and said he ordered from clove, and he's a US citizen. So we know west pricing clove, and it's going to be delivered on the twenty six or something. And it was one thousand sixteen US dollars with shipping. Right? And also that includes like, I think the watch comes with it and a wireless charger. So like. Trump for the pro while we may twenty. Not the not the findings the, yeah, I'm sorry, excuse me. So you know. So there's that right? So like it may well be the most is one of the most expensive phones without without question? Yeah, in the same price, rain. Dollars diff-. Right at the euro different, right. It's just I wish they wouldn't have price that. So hi, I'm like my God. You can know. It's funny. We could say that for a lot of these phones. God, ten fifty. Really. We can say that for pretty much anything thing and like, you know, I, it's a reality. We don't want to accept and it's totally understandable. But at the same time, it's like when you look at this competitive, no nine. The only thing that's missing his SPN, but it's also got a wide angle lens. You have to figure out what your priorities are. We can't change companies actually making these prices is I would have a hard time going back to the note nine with everything this phone has in the. Would you say that it's fifty dollars more worth it? Yes, yes, I think I think the reason the reason why this is so compelling compared to the rest of everyone else this year because twenty eight teams kind have been the year of the quote, unquote, incremental update. I think everyone used that term in every single phone release this entire year. And when you either don't offer more than we're a little faster and we're a little better or analogies case. Now we have a wide angle camera even though it sucks. What are they telephoto camera. That's not optically stabilized. I haven't done my review. You data. So. You know, it's like they everyone else's like slightly better or we have one standout feature that may not even be that great. And then while we comes in and they're like, we have five standout features and they're all awesome. Like they're all legit like just actually well engineered. Well, just, yeah. Good. Yeah. So like of course it's going to be worth the extra money. 'cause like. Richard, you has the best job in the world. He just goes up there. He reads off the screen and says, that's what they got this. This is what we, we got. Yeah. We've spent these many billion spent these many billions of dollars are Indian. We're actually pushing out a product that's worth that amount of money. Yes, I listen. I started my hands on video with unlit release the kraken like this is the phone that's gonna make everybody else look bad. That's the way I feel there are a lot of comments are now that based upon all of our hands on videos, they feel the same way. I mean, yeah. I mean everyone else should feel bad. Like if they're really seeing the same thing with a slightly faster processor at the same price than they need frigging change what they're doing is it just boldness though, is just the whole make it possible. Mantra-like is why is wall way. Away pushing the envelope being hungry versus not being hungry. Right. So why needs to do things to stand out and gain more marketshare even though? Yes, they are one of the largest companies on planet, but like insert markets, they are very much not. Whereas Samson was comfortable. Apple is comfortable, right? Like when you're that comfortable, you do incremental things right? Like apple did it. I Samsung is now following that. And so while always trying to stay now, it's a marketing thing like there's nothing to say the like when they get to a certain point, if they were number one, they might do the same. But like to your point though, like a lot of things really well and like, I don't know. This is this is a phone that like when we all were pre we were all like, whoa, like obviously we wait. Let me see how it actually is going because there's a couple of things that does true. There's a couple of things it promises to do. Well, right now either doesn't do it all or b doesn't do well correct. We. All in that room and we were watching the spec sheet get listed and them telling us what it did. We were like Hong. Oh yeah, it was. I would love to see this device and that doesn't honestly, as as like Jada has yard or something he doesn't. It doesn't happen very often in halfway through that New York City briefing is when I decided to come here to London because I was like, this is. That's true for long award booked on this trip. And then it was like, I hate to change. It was like, I hate to change online because I need to see this. This might be my next phone. Yeah, because God promises an awful lot. So that's that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, no to see. But I am. I am so happy that this phone literally looked so good and doesn't feel like a truck and does everything that it does. I was actually asking earlier of Michael, the Heike. How can you still get that six plus six plus inch screen with a phone. That doesn't feel quite as highlight does not big at all. Yeah. And he said it was a taller screen and agree. It definitely Gratiot you put on a big honking notch than a lot of people are going to complain about. They're gonna complain about it, but you know what? The best of both worlds. You have a very minimal basil, and then you have that bit of a notch because of the three d. depth sensor dear commenters, yes. Why not? Let's begin talking about the notch. It actually serves a purpose here. Yeah, yeah, right. That's actually really point. It does serve a purpose here sensors in there that just because you don't like the wide angled camera on the front, that's a purpose. That's a purpose. On the pixel two purpose. I love it. I mean, no. I mean. Wally. I know I know. It's the ugliest notch we have, but there a purpose. Also, it's fine if it has a purpose, give me an option to hide it, at least you don't even do they do have to do. They're going to hopefully banner and even Michael, here's admiring the phone. I'm just looking at the you got you. Got you. On the buck twilight. You know what? What, what are you guys get? By the way? What? What closure you guys get twilight toilet, David. More for a Rura, but it's it's. Yeah. They're back back renaming it to twenty got the green green for David, emerald green. Okay. It might be able to drive it. Got the blue, I guess. So yeah. So here here here you go, David c, o it is very different. So the blue, the blue, the blue is definitely like a real blue Azure. And this is like a turquoise, really? I mean the colors? Yeah. When you go with the green and the blue one, it's less exciting that you get a greener blue phone. It's more exciting that it's still glass, but it's been etched in that makes it more grip -able and. Plus more optical mega Hayes or whatever. It is also. Look at my script. Hyper obstacle. Oh, yeah. Sounds like it's. It's like. Yeah, I don't actually know if I like, I don't know if I like this, the feeling of it. I appreciate the fact that slavery is held. It's not just regular glass and that they put more effort into it and it looks nicer slippers all. But if I don't know, I it feels like hurts. Okay. So here's the thing for me. Here's the thing for me like one plus was able to make this coding that just felt like silk, they're just felt so good and then Google with the pixel three. Oh, that's Greek and amazed. Yeah. Soft touch glass is so unique in so interesting to get rid of this case. Yes, sorry, but I don't know I, I appreciate that they are doing the Etchingham because it looks very different. I question for you guys. So how do you feel about the design of the camera? I I love it. I love it. I love it as well, and I'll tell you why the p twenty pro the p twenty pro had a gradient that was unlike anything else on the market. But if you took their gradient away, got the black one kind of looked like an iphone ten with a camera. They moved the camera lens up to the corner and put an extra one minoa. But this one like no one else is doing a big block full of its cameras, right? The the matrix. So what it is and we, we know this because we've gone to the European center in Paris. But the truth is that like while way, all of a sudden is understanding the value of design language finally, finally, and so in Paris, by the way. I was somewhere else. No, that's that's. That's something that I think is important to them and they don't. They haven't realized that from now. In parents and they did actually, they were like, we're doing this now. Right? Exactly. We're wasn't Perez. That's great. So no, but like it does. It's unique from behind like even if you had a case on this, you would know it was a different device? No. No. As far viewers. Okay. So you know what you know. What I think is interesting is that is that wall way are still coming up right there. I mean, obviously they're like number two phone man foul. So they're, they're really actually huge, but there was a time in which Samsung was what way is now where Samsung were the ones that were innovating in packing crazy amounts of things into their phones. And then Simpson guy so comfortable they started leaning on luxury and and now they're not. Yes, but that's that's. That is that's interesting to me because now, wall way is doing the same thing, but they're also starting to lean on luxury. Yeah. What do you mean by that? What do you mean lean on? Because Samsung packed crazy amounts of tech into their phones until everyone bought Samsung phones. And then they started being like, if you own a Samsung phone, you're, you're high class. It's the whole iphone, became a branding thing. I wonder this is that's an interesting point, and I don't really have a completed. Thought about this, and I wonder if you can help me because we used to tear apart Samsung back in the day. Oh yeah. Galaxy s. Galaxy s. glaze for note we, yes, they were plastic crappy feeling phones, but they loaded in the point is they loaded in so many features that were not useful for they were half-baked you're trying to be as screen stay. You know, you would like if you blinked at your, if you post your is the screaming, turnoff accept. It didn't really work, right? Yeah, you know, using four galaxy s four is as a surround sound speaker system. The thing that no kids now calling both the like being able to shoot with the front Beckham simultaneously. Yeah, you. Yeah, you all these sight man, if sure. Sorry. Excuse me. And we just ripped into him for this because they would load in one hundred and fifty thousand features. And like four of them were useful while way is is no less guilty of loading in a bunch of crap. You're never gonna use, including two g is doing it as ripping off the iphone portrait modes poorly. So like why is it that I'm more accepting of that when it comes to? Why is it? Because these phones are like from a hardware standpoint works of art. Samsung phones of the time we're plastic proper probably because plenty is Hamra like. Hey, even though they offer, you know, things that are may not be that important. They also they also hit the standards very well, and I think that's what the must have. Yeah, they hitting v forty completely fell apart on. They somehow hit the fundamentals in such a way that makes you like it's a phone that it's a phone. You're happy to us and the cameras in particular. There are some extra features on there that actually work to the benefit like the night mode. And I noticed something that we've used so many times and it's something no one else does. I thought somebody would have copied by now. Oh, yeah. Doing it now, but it's a long, long ago that they hire. I remembering your review of the p twenty pro you mentioned. And I had no idea that they hire the designer from Nokia Nokia. Yeah, yeah. Well, they hired him in time for him to be involved in the p twenty probes development, but I don't remember the guy behind one of the excuse me, one of the guys behind pure view that was obviously huge team. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, there's that it's just interesting because I feel like these, especially Chinese companies that are trying to rapidly develop, are leaning on different things like one plus on community, and they lean on like low price, high value, but Johnny's Shelby house. Well, exactly that next company that was going to bring up like as one plus two lanes on community, but dealing reason they have a community is because they're so like, here's the phone, no extras, but it's high specs and then Shaami's like we're making our software literally based on what you tell us. One plus doesn't do that. They just like make it super basic. And so these China. Companies are kind of like taking various approaches, but it's interesting to me that wall is starting to lean into the every feature ever but now are kind of being luxury type thing because I could see a point in which they stopped innovating and just tried to make jewelry dude. But I'll tell you this much that is very functional jewelry, man. Oh, yeah, this, yeah, this is your point like it hits the fundamentals right now, and that's all we right now. For me, life of it's drilling. It doesn't work. Probably I don't care for me. It has. One thing that separates the iphone Android for me, one stupid little thing. What do I like about the iphone ten and tennis that I can look at it apple logo, your f- and sheep of. Fifty million votes. Go ahead. No, I love slow. We'll see you in the comment. I love. I love getting notifications. The my officials are not visible on the iphone ten and tennis until I look at the phone. And so the Walworth made twenty pro is the first phone to do that from Android did to the find x. do it because it had a thing right? It just now. Tell notifications it's either or either see them, like, for example, right now, I don't think, well, I don't have any fictitious, but like I like that. I liked that my I like that level of privacy where I'm not forced to unlock my phone to see my stuff or vice versa. So as much as we can crap on EMI y.'all we want, they've actually made some changes that I actually liked. Android doesn't do yet. Andrew, like the pixel doesn't do that. The main one that I always think is useful. I don't use it, but I think that's what people could do AP. Oh, I love it. And a second space app twins? Yes. Yes, that yeah, they won plus has the opo open was the first company to have that block or in a lot of those things. What do you use it for? Yeah. Oh, I see me. No, no, no, Twitter, Instagram supported multiple accounts that was really useful? Yeah. I did have to. We chat accounts. I won't point. Got locked out on my first one. Okay. Yeah. And then this is when I was shown me and they have the same thing where you could do do a lap. So I had to log into both at some point. Once I finally was able to get back into my other one. And then there are things that I don't like about the user interface. Like if you wanna go for gestures, I liked that they've adopted a gesture for the glue assistant. I hated they've adopted the back gesture from show me where you have to go to the edge of the phone and slide. And so that feels okay on the mix to us where there's no curve. But on this phone because of the curve, it's like really hard to. Yeah, it makes it difficult hate me if you want, but I just want everyone to copy Apple's gestures, like let me hit you them. Okay. For me. All right. They did copy Apple's gestures and I love it. They didn't adopt the work like heart, press the power button to get the Google assistant. I like that you're all wrong. Only if you're going to steal gestures the only company you need to look at his Motorola. They're the only ones. Persistent bar that lives at the bottom of the screen white back on back up to go home, you swipe right to go to multitasking simply. So why didn't always first place because having a company. Oh, yeah, that's doesn't make sense to me as Google's who should be like the baseline has its Bill. It is in a back button on the right, like what is symmetry and what the problems with that implementation are just you just twice. It's not hard. I can't. I put the buttons back on that may twenty pro for what it's worth. I really. I'm actually thinking putting my in back because it's really hard to go back correctly. What is. Forceful about if the problem is. Angrier because you have to go back because it because your palm has touches the other side. Screws up. So lift your arm move your thumb. This podcast brought to you by the human pretzel. What were you doing together spiders because this man was, yeah, your shoe. I'm not showing right now. Look back back. That's back. They swipe. I'm doing this thing I'm doing, it's hit or what do you do you handwrite now? Because I use my listeners my phone, but that's the other thing. Okay. This is what's the word. You can use it from the right. I didn't hear that word that you didn't know that ended person. I didn't know that. It's good though. It's still, it's still vote. Worst gesture, they have like it's still big curve screen. I agree does not feel great and try and dry using it on g board when you're trying to go backwards and you end up erasing everything you wrote, try using it on the camera whenever you're on the camera and then it flips. You don't know where you don't know where back is anymore is are simply places. He's going to collapse the keyboard and it does. It thinks you're swiping, it thing. Forget how, no, it's really annoying. It is. I'm just going to bring back my bar to here. Right. Let's see. Let's do the buttons. All right. Well, let's let's take all right. The bugging on weekly is also sponsored by one plus. 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I mean, Hymie had the most. I had eight everyone. It was there. It was fantastic. So it was it was it was better bittersweet, I think is the best way to say it because I feel that the easiest way for wall way to guarantee that I could ever use any of their phones as my daily drivers permanently is that phone is not everybody else's hands. So we're talking, of course about the may twenty s so I warned you design for Porsche's design, which like they make the camera hump looked like if it's flush, but it's not. It's a little thicker in. That's how they achieve out at flush designed phone is a bit that with leather from cows from somewhere in Texas, large, cast large. That are that are treated for weeks before there. And this is the thing I wanted to get into like this phone like like, wow, wait. You were talking about luxury earlier barb wire. Yeah. It's like nobody wire because it damages the product. She while the brands that they have partnered with low all. While he's leaving on luxury, but they're picking the right brands like Richard Richard, you is obsessed with Europe is what I've heard. And so we've got like, we've got Porsche design, and I mean, I, I found that funny when we were in the presentation and people were like, you know, some of us members of the press were arguing about the price. I'm like, why are you arguing about the price of design product? Yeah. When they asked like this more expensive, I was like, d really want to get Nancy. We asking this question, you're not forced to buy the Porsche designed. You could buy the regular one and be happy like, do you know what branding is. Idea with that is like whatever you know, but the they were. They were sort of agonizing on about just how hard it is to make the phone and all that. And we're not going to be able to get the price down of this phone. It's it's ridiculous. It's sixteen ninety sixty ninety five sixteen ninety five euros for the for the lower model of it. But the lower model in this case is a higher model of may twenty program. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Because I just remember him saying there's like, well, imagine if you bought the biggest cows you could still wall make more phone. So it was like. Was like, okay. A limited edition product. That's it. You know, you could buy it or not. How much does that play into your purchasing situation? Thing. Combined this to have the Porsche designed completely depends on what kind of person you are and what you care about. What's the most special edition thing you have? Michael? Oh, I have a one in one in twelve Star Trek communicator prototype in two thousand nine from Nokia. How about you about an EBay? Did I'm homeless. Jesus, his. His his, his most prized possession is all my position. I don't really have anything that's super limited edition. I, you never had my grout on coin from my Pokemon ruby preorder. Oh, hey, you're doing this. Like if we understand why. I don't think there's on these lake, so I'm also very minimalistic persons like I am obviously not the person to buy this divide very much. Me, I'm sure did time. I don't. I don't. I don't need these things in the American gardens deal. The band poster of one of my favorite fans that is limit. It's limited edition. Okay. I don't think I have anything that's limited edition, millennial dislike. I just I like I like to get him because our job is cool, said Diego. I'm kidding. It's a lewd addition. Younger high may only one, so. Like I have like, what about you? I can't really think of anything in particular. I mean, maybe my maybe my sick attackers by three pairs of them. It's not really limited edition, but no one I know really has it, and I think that's what I was going for. Is that like you get this phone because nobody else has really. States has a wall. Right? But the Porsche design isn't going to be sold in the states now either. Obviously, yeah, probably sold out at this. So in in a in a region like Europe, for example, where where while way is widespread and then you know, I wanna get the latest thing, but I want this model that no one else is going to have. Right. I also crap money and yeah, right. It's an hour. My poor Richmond. Here's the thing. I just thought the demographic. I find that shocking when I see people buying apple watch mess. Right. Well, that's the same concept, same concept. So if I. There are certain combinations for that. Apple watch. Mess that cost the same as that pushes the sign phone, where am I getting more more? My money's worth not, but that's, that's not the way. About value. You can't quantify the value. That's the point that I was. Then we want to quantify everything, but also also, can I just say that like the bottom skew Porsche designed, right? Six, six? No, it's hired then, isn't it? Your means. Okay. So how much is the top model pro. I think I think it was twelve hundred. I think it was just probably around twelve hundred. Lowest model. One thousand sixteen dollars shipped. No. No, no. The lowest model is sixty design. Yes. So for four hundred dollars a year sixty ninety five zero dollars. So foreign euros charger is that does come in the box. You get a little. He's a plastic limbs. Addition. A little b.'s wasn't David. And then what else you? Oh, a leather case. No, that's not leather. They said they, I don't know if they said, but it's not. It's black leather, so. All right. So let's say like those runabout nice box a little card that says you own Porsche design may little plastic card. That's like, this is Jason. Like a few hundred euros is my point though, is that it doesn't matter. And I actually think that they're underpriced. I think so too. I think they're underpriced because like, so what if you get more hardware that's you're not, it doesn't. You're not the person that's going to buy if you're going to buy it, you want because you want it and like Randy of your to ever branding. Yeah, but that's all virtue did. Yeah. If you're buying a product that is specifically specifically branded as a luxury product, then it doesn't matter what's in it. I forgot. I do have a limited edition products, Porsche design, hard-drive. Zayn hard-drive bed vice of it lacy. See the Lacey Lacey? Yes. Okay. That thing would that think Tor every single bag I had. Yeah, I do. VS of your hard drive? I just don't know. I mean your bag. It's just like the mentality of the whole Porsches iron thing. I totally get it. Like there's functional. There's form there's designed, there's their style and all that. And you know, I can't really think of a Porsche design product. I wouldn't use if I owned it. They were showing off all of them the choreographs to the Jack Jack right. Right. That wasn't a jacket the jacket. No, no. But here it's so I love the fact that the chief designer, Porsche design was still using a mate. Ni- he could have any phone he wanted to. He literally contributed in the design and he was still using a phone. And so his point was we make timeless products. If you see our watches, they don't look from the seventies. If you see our pens, they don't look from the eighties travec our bags, they don't look from the nineties. We make products that you can use as long as you want. And that makes a lot of sense why we're always going to be very millennial of me to say right now also, but it's not about the things about the experiences. So it made a lot of sense to me that if this is a phone that you are going to have that no one else has, you're also going to get an experience that. Oh my God, that driving experience was fantastic. Every phone, they got the driving experience. Sure. We're absolutely that's not fair. Not everybody gets another idea. We need to give them. Any any thoughts you want to give on on on on actually getting buying the wheel of a Porsche? Yes. I've so many. And I got in the car and he tried to make me nauseous God. We did donuts in the parking lot. You did donor to the Royal we did. Oh. So it was fun for so for those of you who watch my AT and t. can wait campaign video. I was in a horrible car accident in two thousand fifteen and ever since then I've had literally like PTSD like I've like insecurities when driving. And that's the main reason I didn't buy fast car anymore. Why bought a truck like I focused on things that would not put me in a position to have another accident like that. And this was the first time since then that I felt confident about driving a car at the speed that I did. It was fabulous. Like it was therapy for me. I had such a great time and definitely I mean, the, you know, the the instructor, she was amazing, not just in looks like she was really not knowledgeable like she did an amazing job. Just Rivera, PO box, two threes. He just had to quickly ease that one into it, looks God? No, she was fantastic and she was kicking everybody's ass. Yeah. When when we were going around the track, Michael, did I see that you weren't? Did you you drove right drove the hill at, okay. I saw you in the passenger seat and the last round. Like after I completed the ice incline. On my first attempt? Yeah. Contrary to my instructors expectations, he was like, gave me a firm handshake, which I appreciate it. And then he was like, let me happen that drivers for a second. I'll show you how to how I do some terms and it was quite quite impressive. Yeah, had nothing to do with the phones, but I really appreciated learning something about how how cards are handled professionals presented it that way because this is something you'll never have. This is something that is uniquely yours. You'll something you'll always have and always gonna remember this experience as well. Yeah, no me. All of you. It was. It was Josh, you visit yours doing that launched? What was it launched launchpad or what I was doing launch control, and I was telling I was challenging myself to break up the last possible second. Yeah, I was. I was just trying my best to like learn everything I could because I don't think I'll ever be behind the wheel of a hard like this again. I don't, and I wanted to take every moment of it. Like with the GT three that we were driving dead GT three felt like a beast. I did not go back to any of the wet areas. I stayed on the track and I said, I want to be on this track with this car. If you'll let me and he said have had, and he started giving me tips on how to like really be efficient on the track. It's a skill on it to learn it something that I know I won't be a different Carter the other one that I drove I. Yeah, yeah. Wow. So I wanted to take advantage of, you know. And then of course, the Porsche's nine phone was in my pocket. The entire time. So I actually use the experience of driving on the right side of the road. That's really where it's horrible. I asked her, I asked her to drive. Because they weren't allowing us to film. And so I was like, so what have you drive? And I film you and she's like, every totally do that. Then tell me I could do. That's all I was allowed to do. I use. I use that. I use that experience at test the four k. civilization and they went really well. Jews lake from the the. So the telephoto does not have good civilization, and I think it's broken. Twenty pro has quite good. Sable ization on the three ex? Yeah. And I think it's it's got to be a software patch. It has to be a suffer final software. That's what I'm saying is when me when I say it's. Design phone. I was using the regular may twenty and so, oh my God. So four k. there's no forecast sixty right now even though apparently the processors capable, but I did four k. at thirty and there's great civilization on the regular sensor. And then if you do the wide, I don't know why, but I felt that even better because it is more frame work with. Yeah, that makes sense. It it's it's ES. We should say it's not all, but dude. At this point he IS is literally like made become lease gyro video in video. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, it was a good time as I'm saying. I'm looking right at Cogan wanna say. Yeah. It's a heaven now. Yeah, hate you. How's your pixel. I'm kidding. I want one less take from everybody before we call it on this one. You have prices, no object. You can pick one or the other. It's sitting right in front of you PD or pro David, go. Yeah, ours are pro r. s. o. kind really good as another bad question. Let's get the RS out out because we can have it. Let's let's put another phone. But, but all of us are. Okay. No, no, no, not true. Not true. For me for me, it has nothing to do with the branding because I don't care at all about branding, and I'm not even a car guy like I drove a portion. I'm I know that I'm extremely lucky position to be able to do that. Yeah, and it was kind of fun. And not a lot of people get to do that. But like I literally right now over just renew your license for God's sake. Like, ultimately, I don't really care about cars, just don't, and I had, so it's not a big deal, but the the leather feels really good to hold and it's grippier and it doesn't attract fingerprints like crazy and also like the heat that it gathers when you're holding it. So cokes. I like also that leather is like proper leather. It's not like it's, it feels better. He's making a face. I am making this. I've used the Moto x. twenty fourteen which is the best leather that you can find on a smartphone in history. You have old mine. All right. Fist bumped Michael for that because that's kind of part of my points. Okay. Well, that makes sense. But regardless, I would actually choose the pro because I, I actually prefer some of the other things that it has, and I prefer, I don't know. I like the styling. I like the gradient color another, like a lot of bashing on it because it's not as good as the last gradient, but I don't know why I liked it. It's brash. I like that it's outstanding. It's going to be different because I live in the United States. So nobody this phone anyway. Plus it? No, I would choose the pro. I didn't like the separation between the leather on the long they are essay felt it seemed a little bit weird to me, and I remember talking to a bunch of people on our trip and I was just like, I'm not sure about this leather and they kept going, but the cameras flush, I'm like, but the leather is kind of odd, put the cameras flush, and we're like, extremists are the word. With the cameras, fly everybody in our comments. Yeah, basically. A camera bump in twenty. Eight up. Yeah. Basically like me a camera bump. I don't mind the camera, bump the one of the pros, not even that egregious camera without a bumper, like seriously. Like a couple of hundred pounds. Right? It feels great the photos. Great. I just don't think that it's actually that much more attractive than the pro and I did a poll on Instagram and somewhat narrowly. The pro did went out. It's still it's still different in a way. It's almost like when you see that PD logo on the back and then you see leather, you like all of course, right? It's expected the red. That's the case for that. Okay, so that's, that's nice. That's me. So I am pissed that they made that red berry and exclusive China. I'm like, really. Okay. 'cause I like that even I would've loved that Porsche design phone in like a silver leather, what? The black bar in the middle that would have looked. Fantastic. I agree. Can you up, but for me. Can be any color you want. But for me, like right now, I am sitting on fun to phone Tober phone Tober fest until fell, hey, I have. I have so many phones to review up until like February of next year. It's like crazy. We've still got more to see. So if I had to pick all of these phones. Obviously, we have to wait for the final software of the may twenty pro, make sure that it delivers on all his all promise. But I, I find this phone to be fascinating. And if I could have like a limited edition version that read, I would go for that leg. If I had a choice. If I could pick just one phone and I've had pixel three excel. I have all the iphones. I've had all the galaxies and the one. Well, we don't know what we'll implicity is going to be it, but I would grab that read may twenty pro Porsche, the Josh. Just because I've forgotten the question was the Porsche designed at the regular one, right? Yes, yeah, the pro. Okay. Go, wow. Sorry. No pro. I the. Ultra dude every day. What the pixel all true. Can I touch on just one thing that we haven't really touched on. I was very preemptive that this indisp- lay fingerprint sensor was going to be bad. It was bad on the previous demos, bad on the demo devices. We saw on our pre brief and it was also bad on the Porsche design. Is okay. So I was very worried, but I have to tell you, I'm using this. I turned off the face scanner. VP tunes that don't really matter until voices cells I wanted to use SEO was. Incensio was did, too, and man, it's good better than I thought it was going to be a lot faster than I thought it was going to be room for most. Certainly. Yeah. Do I still wish I had some kind of tactical guide to know where the dividends like on a hardware fingerprints, totally. But once you get a little bit of muscle memory involved this, it's so cool. It is pretty cool. So it's always going to be kind of like a while fact. Yeah, video too. I was like the thing about the fingerprint sensor is that you don't know where it is when you first start using. Yeah, but like at some point, I imagine you would gain some muscle memory and you'd be okay with it and does have like a little indicator like that indicator doesn't come on until you mess with it while it's always it's always the face scanner works pretty well. It up like I have. There's plenty times that I've used that fingerprint scanner because the face kanter's not quick enough, but at least it's better than the one on the pixel where if you turn on the display, it'll indicate unlock a fingerprint scanners at the back, right? Yeah. Like every phone. Every phone gives you that fingerprint sensor prominent. I still remember my parents on their first iphone othing their thumb on the display where the thumbprint logo was, and I'm like, no, no, no. It's not part of the screen that would be impossible. Cool. How cool is it that we're at that point? Yeah. Remember in middle school aid, I pod touch the first generation. You had an ipod touch in middle school. All right. That's what I said. First generation, Joe old-timers sitting on the couch it. Yeah. Anyway, I remember graduated from college and being like, I wonder if he'll ever built an ipod, touch. Sorry, go ahead anyway. While you listen to music on your discipline in the first generation in the first wave of apps that were just stupid like the for before, getting beer app and all that crap. Yeah, so so there was an app that was basically a screen unlock that it pretended to be a fingerprint sensor in the screen. And it was meant to just blow your friends minds, but you'd actually like double tap on the corner before you did it for to make it actually work. I went through that. So that's how you're able to like trick people into thinking like, oh my gosh, there's a fever and the screen. And so then it was like, oh my God. It was like, oh my God. That's actually here like ten. It's insane. Like seeing seeing that tech as like a kid and being like, there's actually now we just like don't screen and. And it only took two years. I mean, ever since you were. David Imos young, and on that note, that's it for now that we just as much a conversation as it is a show. So make sure you make your voices heard either in the comments sections or by emailing us at podcast at pocket. Now dot com. You can also tag the cast on Twitter with the hash tag. He n weekly, I think we're going to let you as give shout outs, you know, do your Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, go for it. Okay. Not Michael David. I. Three thirty in the morning. I'm it is. I mean, no, totally fine. Thank you so much for being on the show guys. Thank you. David, go in to your to your show. You wanna find me on YouTube. You know, I actually have a YouTube channel now has no videos. However. Go to YouTube dot com slash David mail because I was able to register the domain fifty percents off your own domain. 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So obviously the big story here was that on Tuesday, we had this whole smorgasbord from London while way had its may twenty eight twenty pro events and moves a quite the scene here if I could pull up the screen and tell you about it. So let's talk about the gap between these two phones because the me twenty twenty pro- used to be only that we had a few differentiations between the two for what the what you paid for it. And I believe it's always been very minimal. Maybe fifty or one hundred euros. You had just like an extra camera on that p twenty pro will people pro. That's what it is. And then here things have kinda shift around. So we have the ten eighty p screen on the may twenty. It's at six and a half inches, and then you have the may twenty pros six point four inch, which the size I mean it might not correspond to anything, but you have that Ola display and you have that two k resolution. You have the typical memory despair dispenses with the four gigs six gigs of ram on the may twenty versus six gigs standard. I believe there is an eight gig option as well for the may twenty pro- this year is kind of a little interesting here because there are a few things that have widened the gap so to speak. So we have if I can forward down to the screen and the notches that are apparent on these phones. Unfortunately, the post. Here does not have front facing photos of the of the phones, but the may twenty does have do drop notch as they say. It's a very minimal notch. It's only for the selfie camera, and then you have the may twenty pro with it's full-on face idea kind of thing with the time flights on two or three cents is in its. It goes the whole borne that you have a battery charging, which was difference twenty two and a half watts on the may twenty and forty watts on the twenty pro. And there was a couple of other things that kind of shed the difference here. So you do have the triple camera on both devices, but the maximum resolution on the may twenty is sixteen mega pixels. And then you have that freaking huge turrets of a forty megapixel sensor on the me twenty pro. So I was wondering, do you buy the. Differences here. I mean, we're talking about seven ninety nine in eight. Forty nine between the two is, does that what defeat about that difference? I think it's totally worth it. I mean the, it's like the may twenty pro takes every feature every innovation that mattered in twenty eighteen bigger batteries, better cameras, better screens, faster, charging, and puts it all in one. And I wish high may was here because I've known high may for very long time and he's never been this excited about a phone like ever. He used the fricken crack in clip liking the whole thing with the, you know, really slick rock in and that was part of his video. So it was quite amazing. That Taylor, what do you think. I mean if you're going to spend eight hundred dollars on a phone to begin with an it's another fifty for something that's a it's not just a slight margin better. It's better in just about every single aspect. Why not? I mean, it's fifty will that there was even a may twenty this year. Like I don't know about that, but I know that like if I were while way, I would question why the may twenty was even made. If they made a a more stinted version, I guess and charged, you know, maybe a hundred and fifty less or two hundred less. I would understand maybe wouldn't even be able to carry the may twenty name, but for a fifty dollar difference that just doesn't make Tennyson 's. Did you just make up a word stinted stunt stint stunted stilted runoffs stunt stunted not the word I was looking for. I don't know. I'm bad with words. I googled it and it means to be economical or frugal about spending or providing. Something. So yeah. Could you tell perhaps I mean the and there's also like the fact that there is a may twenty light out there which is completely like in a different category in itself. It's like five hundred. So I mean, really talking about splitting up layer cake here, Brian, what do you think about this? I do think that the price difference is definitely worth the upgrade to make twenty pro for most people. Unfortunately, I also kind of feel like it's a difference is going to be a material a lot of us because this isn't coming to the US yet. Is it? I think they only announced availability for Asia and Europe, right? Yeah. UK United Arab Emirates because of course, Dubai gets all the pretty stuff and just Europe, France, Italy while I would dig in may. Twenty pro- doesn't really matter to me. Just get it on EBay, EBay. I mean, that's your only option imported from EBay. I mean, Amazon has traditionally carried it about a few weeks out of it's a launch time, so and of course you take the risk of, you know, carrier bands and whatnot, not working fully with eighteen networker t. Mobile's. But I mean that's in order to have a statement piece if you really want that statement piece in your pockets and having that's the perspective that you might be coming from Ryan, then this is what you might want. But in terms of just here kind of specs here, I mean there's just so much to handle here, and there are some of the software features to that really make this up. They've been really pushing AI with that cure in nine eighty with the seven enemy chip many more transition, transistors transistors. I should probably go to king of the hill and talk about transition I. But yeah, they're using it for many different uses mostly in the camera with features like AI detection for subjects. They're able to record video with a background of black and white monochrome thing. And then you have your subject you tap on the subject and in remains in color. So that's one of the uses that they're putting to all of that hardware and all of that. You know, computing going on these phones really artificially intelligent like is that actual a or is it just like programming that detects detects things based on, you know, being programmed with millions of images and detecting trees and cars yet it's exactly what it is, but we've, we've decided that we, we call it. I know it sounds better, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, but she listened into AI. Well, I mean, it's it's something that you can promote in this age where you have the head chewing away at all the bits. That's what the picture was with the cure nine eighty, at least. But some. Yeah, like there is just so many cycles now because of the, you know, the how much hardware is in there that can be used for this kind of thing. I'm wondering what you think because we can't say anything about the quality of it, but just like the fact the gumption, that's, you know, while wait is like pushing this out and perhaps you know, they may turn out and may not turn out, but what do you think of just a getting out there? I'll start with you Taylor. I've no idea. I got nothing man. Like the only thing I can even think of while looking at these specs is how the hell is the the camera forty, megapixel camera. Are they using some Janke trick? Like I, I think it was why we did it back in the past or it was forty mega pixels. But it was like an eight megapixel camera with almost like pixel shift technology. It's doing it's actually a ten megapixel, isn't it? But it it bins them together to make. So it takes four. And now I was just a saying that the p twenty pro was marketed with the same forty megapixel sensor. And it seemed to turn out very good results according to our Adam lane. So like I mean, that's wouldn't get, you know, with that work back in the day, they they did this back in the day. There was an app for IOS. I cannot remember the name of it, but it is. It does the same thing and my Sony, the. A seven or three also does it, and it works really, really well technically Google's doing it with the the new Zuma functionality on the pixel XL. It uses a shift to try to interpolate a sub pixel resolution for that at zoom effect. So it's I, I love it. It's the same technology. They used to photograph the stars like NASA, not like a normal person, but but NASA because it takes a lot of technology to do that with a moving target. But yeah, I just wasn't sure if that's what was happening here. I'm still so far out of the loop. I have not caught up yet still four years behind guys. You're getting there, you're getting there somehow. So, yeah, a lot of information. There's a lot of new phones. It is. It's crazy. I mean, so let's go to the centers. I guess in detail the may twenty has its ultra wide angle censor at seventeen millimetres assuming that's a full frame quivalent and it's sixty megapixel. So you know, they did a good idea of putting the most mega pixels to the most area that you'll be able to see you have the standard twenty seven millimeter, twelve megapixel thing going on. And then you have the two times in which is eight megapixel 's and that your meat twenty year meet twenty pro- with eight may pistols you have that three times. Now I'm not. It's optically stabilized, so I think they're doing the right thing in terms of equipping the right hardware to wear needs to be. Because when you're going out that far, you. Obviously need a little bit more stabilization to make sure it doesn't all go wacky. The standard thing here is the twenty megapixel sixteen. No, that's why tangle excuse me. Pardon me? That's older, wide angle to make it takes, which is great. It's there. There's no monochrome sensor this time around like a, is there longtime partner in this sort of thing in terms of imaging, and they've always stood with that monochrome and color combination with dual cameras because that produced a lot more detail and they're able to hybrid, create a hybrid image. And that would give a little bit more popular, but more full grain as I would like to say for their images, and then you have the phone megapixel standard thing, which is just the bazooka you know, you just shoot it out f one eight. It's ultra Bright's. It's nice. There you go. So. So you got everything. What do you think about the full full photographers kit in one one phone kind of visits like you're using multiple lenses on the same device? Kind of like the l g v p forty. We're going out to shoot, I would if I'm running gunning, I usually take one lens, but it's typically as Lynn's and it ranges from anywhere from sixteen to twenty four all the way up to seventy some. So this is roughly that in three different camera cameras in the fall. It's quite versatile too. You know, it's just again one phone. So I mean, what this? I mean, is this a practical replacement or would you still want that insurance of having a reliable dedicate camera at this point. Me, I going to go vote for an actual camera. He asked just because but I've gotten more into using my phone, especially I don't have the Lynn's with me, but this is Lou the cover for the moment lens. I use this on my iphone in the galaxy s. eight plus and this theoretically, if this is as good or can provide as good results as a moment Lynn's than I think that's a valid valid alternative because these things are bulky and a, hey, caring them. And I don't always like don't have that case on here at a like having this case on my phone all the time to only use a Linda's every you know. So that's your benchmark in terms of, you know, not meaning to put a words this apples to apples. Yeah. I mean, that's the closest comparison I guess you could have is is tossing Lynn's on your phone and most lenses for smartphones or trash. These moment as you've. To spend eighty to ninety dollars actually Anamour fixed one hundred and thirty. So you've got to spend that her Lynn's and that's on top of, you know, thousand dollar phone if you'll really want it right, Brandon. Go ahead. How far do you think we are from a phone being able to take a picture that is as good as the best DSL are a very long way long way. Why do you say that? Because you don't have true depth the field and something that's turned me off really bad lately is is the photo depth of field that you get the profile or portrait portrait mode. So that to me, looks fake. I can spot it as soon as I see it because there's no variation to the depth of field. It's there's something in focus and everything else is out of focus, and that's not how it works. Depth. Availed is the further you are the more out of focus you are, right? Yeah, a graduate in its yet. It's physics an unofficial. It's like. Most photo shopping the background like blurring it yet, and it just looks fake to me. So they're trying to fake that if they can get that to look better and use that depth information to Grady eight, maybe, but it still faking it. But the the real thing is, is your sensor size. I mean, the sensor size on my. A seven or three is a dinner plate. I mean, it's if so, it's a full frame lens that's earth sensor. It's huge. Whereas these the sensors are. Very, very, very quarter of an inch like really small and that that's always gonna affect your your light intake more than anything and your depth of field. That's one thing that will always hinder the true dip the field as the sensor Cise I wanna get to a couple of emissions. Obviously, the headphone Jack has been out for at least one generation now. So you know, you can play it. All you want. There is out of a benefit about. It's just it's interesting to know about the audio and that said, one of the speakers has actually tucked inside the or at least encased around the US c. poor at the bottom. So as opposed to like having shootout, you know, just like farting out audio literally. So there's that and then there's the expandable storage situation and like you have one of the deadly sins. You know, no, headphone Jack, that's for these tech enthusiasts that have in all really been invested in. These sorts of expandability. And when you have the head will check on, you really shouldn't be touching that Mike arrest slot in the for these people. And yet we're talking about a new n n card, which is at it fits inside a nanometer, a non nanometer Nanno sim slot. It's like the same exact shape. So why doesn't have to carve out a specific shape for the Mike recipe card anymore. But at this point they have not really. They've not released the cards so you can't expand that one hundred twenty gigabytes which I mean if that's all ran for most people, but you know, it's entire music library with you, like in flat rides because you need what? What? What do people do? One hundred twenty eight gigs on their phone. Like I have. I think one hundred twenty eight gig iphone and I have. Six thousand pictures in like two hundred videos and I'm still like fifty percent. I still have fifty percent of my stores. Have your whole loss Luis audio library with you to listen to your ear beds, especially over bluetooth. And it's like they've polled a Sony here in terms of, you know, proprietary memory cards on their, you know, PSP's and whatnot. And every single console hasn't new proprietary card. And you know this, this has no practical advantage over an ST card because just getting the same practical transfer speeds. Ninety mega ninety megabytes per second, which you know about the same as good high-capacity Microsoft card. So like why now what? What is going on here? What do you think? Why was play is the, I'll start with you, Brandon. I think they're trying to pull Sony, like you said. I mean, this is completely unnecessary far away, so big that they're like, how can we make more money? Oh, he come out with the proprietary memory format and not licensed to anyone. So sandisk know anyone else that makes memory. No, and you have to come to us to buy while we. Nanno ST card, which like, you know, microwaves, d cards are so small. I mean, they're the size of your thumbnail. I mean, but this is even smaller. It's it's so you don't even have to cry vote like the extra spot in the century. No, thanks. I mean, I've already got microstate cards from all of my other devices. I don't need a new memory for Matt. Sorry while way just gonna. Just gonna buy. Oh, and then they know they know you're going to say that. So then then people are like, all right, I'll just get the higher capacity model. You see what we're doing here. We're inching up that price no matter what I mean. It's always been that advantage unit. Having that as US I presume using u. s. two point one, but that's already a festive thing in much preferable to. Microscopy EMC anyways. I'm wondering what you think of this Ryan. Well, as it takes, I actually I'm not super familiar with the details of what was announced. Is it verifiably a proprietary format? They're not licensing to anyone else that's not an open standard. So let's see here. It's a proprietary memory card that the they have not really. The event was kind of closed off, so we don't have like direct quotes here, getting it from, you know, the secondhand word, but there that's like we're not getting any by sensing details at all. It's technically not even an ST card, which I think belongs to sandisk. It's just called an m. card. It's not an MS card. It's so that was just that's the is secure. Digital might rescue earning SE association is in charge of that, and it has a bunch of your licensing fees, numbers, four months. Right. This was just weird. I'll say it, is there a picture of it anywhere that I can see the enemy, pull it up here on the screen and just show you that boom, right there. Look at that the fifteen years ago they're talking about, oh, hey, Mike, rusty, the wave of the future. Now this is the wave of the future. It's forty, five percent smaller and it's red, but manager farms are already so small. I lose them. We don't tip point where you know, diminishing returns look how much space you're going to recoup on this. They're gonna make them so small. You need tweezers to install them. I didn't tweezers like place the frigging Nanno sim down without having it pop out of the trae for some reason like. All such fingers and I can do it. Well, good for you. I guess maybe that's just my better fingers out now. Anyways, there was one interesting other Ted with that. I failed to mention while we're back on the twenty me twenty pro, I believe in the may twenty pro has in. That's the indisp- lay fingerprint sensor. But this one's a little different. This one's more it detects pressure. It's nuanced on that level. So I suppose you have that extra layer of not necessarily biometric because that's already that's. That's what's on your hand, but kind of a user factor, x factor kind of thing. In terms of security, I believe the number is four thousand ninety six pressure levels detected. But in terms of adding that on as layer complexity, I mean, highly Rivera posted his video on with heads on hands on on this thing, and he found it not to be that reliable. Even though it's, I believe. Was pre production software or hardware just pre-production everything, but what do you think of that added factor in terms of security? And I'll start with you Ryan. Why had heard there was a little bit faster than previous solution? Some of these indisp- lay fingerprint. Readers are pretty slow, but my understanding is that no matter what the resolution that you get effective resolution for the fingerprint, his lower on these in display readers unless they're of the ultra sonic variety. I might have that mixed up. But if this is one of the tra- sonic ones, I dunno security may be fine. I don't know enough details about precisely the solution that they're using here. If it's one of the optical ones, my understanding is they are pretty low resolution. They will work to great. They're not super reliable at in which case it could be a concern. Yeah, it could be in one of the things that they might be compensating or whatnot. Gordan Petric says it is optical, but. There have been demonstrated. There have been demonstrated, you know, improvements in terms of just getting everyone over to the ultra sonic side in perhaps some other things going on including increases in resolution, and it turned days still. We don't know it's early days, but you know, the production cycles are just, you know, quicker their their days too. So hopefully you know, there's some resolution on that in terms of adding pressure to the whole mix of things, Brandon. How's that going to make it better? That's that's what I'm asking. Is it going to be like a separate factor? Do you have to be consistent in, oh, medium pressure, presser in order to get access to the phone like d. I like, you can't just, you know, if you're sleeping, you can't just someone else. Can't just smush your finger on there and then have unlocked the phone. Like maybe that's it. I think that it could add some tech Tilleke so that you can more easily know like how much pressure to put. So if you do like a medium pressure, you get a little bit of a buzz and you know, oh, I did it because some people, you know, capacity screens, acquire site such a light touch that you might be inclined to just like kind of peck it a little bit. But this way there's some pressure sensitivity can really get your your finger in there for to read your the notches in the edges, a little bit better because the current solutions are terrible like vivo next. I mean, it just basically doesn't work and all the other indisp- laughing. It's just way too early. Like Ryan's it. I'm gonna throw a curve ball to you Taylor. So listen close without if you already have this in displayed fingerprint sensor, and then you have on the may twenty pro this, you know, face ide- system with the whole kit and caboodle going on there. What do you think in this? You know is, is this into compromise out k, maybe I'll choose one over the other and if the quality is at such, as we've heard about from high may, what do you think might have in terms of preferences? I mean, just having used fingerprint sensors and face. I mean, I have an iphone which I use a lot and the Samsung to face on Mike without works really well. I'm not necessarily ask concerned about the actual security of it. I don't have anything to sensitive on my phone. Some of you might I don't know. But I mean, the only thing is in practice, whichever one works faster and more reliably I'm gonna use. I don't care if it's a fingerprint face, unlock, whatever the thing that kills me and nobody's addressing this, no one is that. The the trusted networks and the trusted locations, and all those things do they even still exist because that was my favorite ever. Motorola did that. So well, like if I have my watch on and it's within the vicinity of a phone, I don't have to unlock my phone and as an animated feature, right. I think there's built an Android it. It was originally devices is on Android. Yeah. Yeah. It was originally Motorola, Google purchase Motorola. They acquired some of those features and then they were like by Moto don't do anymore. And those features were done so well, and now it's like they, they don't even work like you can add a trusted Network. My phone connects to the network when I walk in the door and I still have done like my phone. There've been that none of the trusted Steph works anymore. I now, right. So why not just fix that, please? I don't care about my face unlocking the phone or my thumbprint. I'll put in a pin code, but if I'm at home to slit, stay unlocked, understand that. Jay, I don't care do something it's it might be. Google issue might be just, you know, OEM's just doing their own thing because I am. I know a lot of you do say at home a lot. I'm a home, Brandon. You're at your office a lot, but I am at home eighty percent of the time. I still have to unlock my phone. So frustrating. Is crying out for more friends. Yes, please drink up here. Anybody within eight hours of me, please be my friend. I mean, I'll fly down and I can do that. How about that? Go to the mountains, like six bucks. It's like six bucks. Yeah, you get your the nets in your soda. It's great. You have to drive a tractor to the the theater though. It's a, it's a drive in tractors only. He's senators. I'll be drinking mcduff then. All right anyways, just a couple more things before we get to some of more of the conversation that we wanna have and I'll talk about the may twenty x here because of course, gaming is such a big deal these days. So of course, Wally once again, I mean it sub brand honor, which is supposedly more youth focused is already, you know, tailoring all their stuff to that audience with the honor play and other things, and in this will okay, you know, we're just going to toss it out for our main audience, I guess because we like the game to apparently we're talking about a seven point, two inch, fat wallet. I'll say it again, seven point, two inch Fablet and it doesn't matter. I don't care how like the aspect ratio or anything that gets to point where it's like, okay. Okay. Now you're just you're reaching beyond my, you know my last knuckle here and I don't know how this is going to be not a two hand vice all the time. So that's just my quick take on that. You have five thousand million hour battery and fully screen, and then you have vapor cooling vapor chamber cooling, which the chamber expands to roughly, you know, a large portion of the device. So you have that similarity with the razor phone to it also has that, and then there's one other factor here the trying to. I'm trying to remember here. I believe it's a graphing graphing film, which I'm not familiar in terms of how that actually insulates. Perhaps it's just installation thing. So there you go is this, is this the right tack to take in terms of gaming? Where do they have the formula right here? I'll start off with the Uber in. I'm having deja vu because I did a video about the honor. Note ten, which is very similar to this phone slightly smaller streets, seven inches. It's got the five thousand million power battery and. You know, you know, we live in the future in like a seven inch phone with a tall aspects screen. Small vessels is not that bad until like seven point. Two is pretty much the same thing. It's really not that bad. It's totally two-handed phone unless you're like Michael Jordan or something. And how big is that exe- ultra Taylor that you keep? I don't know. I was taunting you with it. I don't remember how many similarities, because that's all it's it's like six point four inches, which back in the day was like incredibly. But the Bengals on this thing or like an inch on either side. Really, it's the same size as new phone, ugly pretty much. It always felt so ridiculous talking on it is like holding up to your face. It's not that bad with that is that's a that's a wider or a shorter aspect ratio like sixteen by nine. So it it's truly, you know, very wide and very tall instead of just very tall. But I wanna I wanna be honest about something regarding the phone. I think it's also meant I think the gaming movement is also these gaming phones with extra extra power, better cooling, bigger screens. But guys, I think I missed the boat on this one. I don't. I don't game on my phone. Like in the beginning, I did. You know, when new games came out, there were awesome. Like a monument valley was awesome. And teeter of course, like you need a Daming foam for money valley. Right. Do you guys you just a little tangent. You guys game on your phone. I have a, especially in pub- g mobile dropped. I was, hey, I was slaying noobs on Zee mobile. I played it on the computer so much, and I was traveling. I actually the day dropped Iowa's in San Francisco, and I played it on my iphone and my actually cheated a plate. It will not twelve point nine and tripe head pro. It's a mobile device. It is. Yes, it is. But yeah, I played it on my phone a lot and a lot of fun. I think in order for Daming on a mobile device to really actually solidify or be solidified finally, after what two decades you're going to need something like the joy cons on an intendo switch, something that slides on the side of your phone and let you hold it like a gaming device and these Moga controllers and all things like it. They still kinda suck to be completed. They suck. Well, I mean, funny that you mentioned the Nintendo switch. I believe the speaker on deck. I don't know whether or not it was Richard you, which is who is the CEO. But the speaker mentioned the Nintendo switch in comparison with it's a battery which I feel like is totally unfair because the, you know, there's a console, there's there's, it's not one to one here, but you know five. Thousand million power battery versus the switches for three hundred million hour battery and then that's it. That's. That's the only thing that's really, you know, that was worth comparing between the two apparently. So there is that I don't know if comparisons totally disingenuous because the switch uses a Invidia tigger ESI. Right? So it's a mobile device in certain way in the same thing and or some of the, oh, Invidia made a tablet, whatever their gaming. The shield tablet yet I had that it worked really, really well, but really, truly, I think there needs to be a few changes that make like a few innovations. One has to be a better controller system because touchscreen controls suck. Nobody likes playing with touchscreen controls to you need a manufacturer on board, a gaming company, Sony, Microsoft Nintendo, which Nintendo's making mobile games, but they really don't do well with making mobile games. But the platforms there, the switch runs really well. It plays great games. They are down scaled down resolution versions of your standard console games. I don't care. I played Zelda. I played at seventy five eighty hours and Zelda on my switch. And I mean, that's Alex's put in like twice that, but. But I've played games. I play games like bro force and binding Isaac. All these games are available on mobile brew forces, but binding of Isaac is and it plays just as well on mobile, and I think it's were all most there, but we need somebody to actually publish these and not just keep pushing them out in kind of petering out. Because right now it's a disorganized thing, like every publisher is in charge of publishing their own thing, you know, and what you get is this. On the Nintendo switch. You get a very specific experience. If you play those games that work on the switch and on IOS it's a totally different ballgame because everybody's gonna. It's a free for all so that and there was one more thing, the streaming, the steam link streaming. You can string PC games to your phone. Yep, that works. Well, it actually works really well. The problem is the screens to small. So something like this may accommodate because it's it's another screen that you can use. That's basically what you're using it for. If that's the case it doesn't have to be in, doesn't have to have LT radio's just needs to serve its purpose. I guess you were shaking your head Ryan when you were. We were talking about. That was not in my head vigorously pretty. You were not. Not totally. No, I was. I was talking about personal, you know usage because I think you said you might have said that you're not really a mobile gamer that you prefer to do more of that indoors. I don't round PC anything else, but I agree with him. I think that the best approach is or a good approach would be for may major backing of a couple of publishers, or if a company like Sony or Nintendo, would it be like, hey, guys, let's make a phone that would have. That'd be a great way to approach mobile gaming as opposed to like he described the smattering mishmash of mediocre controls and sort of untargeted or loosely targeted developer focus like that would be a good idea. I don't know if it's going to happen, but if from a non, yeah, if someone was to approach steam would be a great way to make that happen. Yeah, if allies be like, let's make a phone. Well, or or just like, well, you could never really have an app store technically because you wouldn't be able to buy the games like on your iphone. And I think does Google regulate that now. I don't know, said he it's him by going from a competitor a, yeah. So by phone can't preloaded witness store from other competitor licensed go play package, but that's changing now with the regulations, although still going to be exclusive licensing, Google play, it's it's a whole thing. Go on about it for hours. It's a mess. But the point is, I mean you could buy the games or or show the games like in your steam account by them from your computer and have them automatically download to your phone. You know, it could be offered as a service like that when they think of universal support, like the only ones that work in the steam play store, steamed game store, whatever for your phone, they would say, have to be compatible with, you know, certain controllers, like the steam controller or something. You know, that's really the only way I've. See mobile gaming actually being taken seriously. I mean, it's it is taken seriously because it's a multibillion dollar industry every single year, but it's also not taken seriously by the actual gaming. Yeah. Quality as console gaming, right qualities, what really matters in terms of, you know, just making sure that experience is on point. I do want to wrap this up quickly. Just quick comments about the may twenty s which is basically make twenty pro except it has leather on it and costs twenty one hundred year euros. So, and I re- I think it was this week that vertu. Actually virtue decide like like, sent out invitations in China for event. So it's like, okay, great timing. And that's pretty much all I have to contribute on this. Do you have like just a few words on this? I'll start with you Taylor. It's ridiculous. It's nothing but, but just, you know, showing off the to have money if you own this, it's just for the money, and that's it. And yet, no one cares and I, I leave the right friend even tasteful design. Like I don't even like it. Like if you're going to love gets all real leather this lately. Rosary, lack load. Like give me some real, got some real leather here, like actual good like. This is not good leather. I don't like I do a lot of leather working myself. Accent made my camera strap the sleeves for all of my computers. I made my wallet and my key holder. This is some grain corrected chrome, tanned junk. I'm not a fan you too. You guys are such leather snaps? Yeah, give me something like this real leather Ryan. I think I should take you to Taylor's place. You guys could just like tough. We could probably talk about for a while if you can't smell it. And if it doesn't do anything when you smell it and it's not good leather, I love the smell of orange chronic Salman. Yes. She's gimme a being phone, cover a phone in Horry leather. It's mine out by a rock that for years he must take this off line. I pay what happened to you Motorola. I'm sorry what Motorola. I. Bring it back. All right. Quick word from all ya. I want to keep the spirit of a gesture regard going on in at least a one way. So I wanna do at check in. It's basically just tell me how you beat week spin or one thing that you really want to talk about. I hear that you have a thought thread, Brandon, I'll start with you. The the thought third was going to be a conversation of high may. But since he is not here. As for the the little check in that we do. I got the, I got my pixel three XL today's today's ago, white is definitely the color to get because I hear that. I mean, the black looks really nice, but I hear that the black is so fingerprinting that. For one of the first times in phone history, you cannot wipe the fingerprints off. You have to wash the phone, which is okay because it's water resistant, but you know, as nice as the black looks just don't do it. I mean, and also you get all those microscope with the white. You don't see it. The fingerprints, this might be covered with fingerprints. I have no idea because it's white and my fingerprints are, you know, I guess they're whitish just oily thing. Inference. Teams are socio, how do they leave a print. You don't know anything about telling my fingers, aren't that small. Fuck us each other of having small hands here that said, that's another debate. I wanna get over to Ryan, see how he's doing this week, pretty good. Gonna. Go see moving there. As. Was that bef- off air off that was off air. What are you? What are we going to watch tonight? I'm gonna go see border at the brattle theater in Harvard square. Hey, hey, yeah, that's going to be amazing Toronto international film festival award winner. So definitely check that out. I guess. Can we make an endorsement here on the pocket weekly, like just get endorsed movies, give it like two thumbs up or something like that. That son couldn't offer. That's that's copyrighted by Roger Ebert. Whatever, anyways, let's fish up with you Taylor. What's going on this week? What? What were you doing with the the whole, the chopping the forest, Dan. So there was a hurricane that rolled through here. There you go. And we were clearing out trees last week in another tree fell, and it was about seven feet around at the base and we had no way to move it. So we've been out there and saw at it for hours and hours and finally got it cleared up. I almost got thrown off a tractor, so I see and stuff. I'm glad that at least you when yours are safe and that you know getting things back to normal. And I, I'm just gonna. I'm just going to throw this out there. I've never even used a pixel phone ever. Woes thrown that out. There dropping things down. Anybody wanna feel bad for me. I'll give. I feel bad for you right now because Matthew in Greece apparently has called you Lemper sexual? Oh yes. Yeah, which I just found, you know, it's not the first time I've been called a lumber sexual. It sounds nice lumber, sexual don't actually like the outdoors. I would live in the woods with no neighbors. If I could. They're going to lose PG rating on this podcast and keeping were we ever PG graded at all? My we're take to win a percent. One hundred look we. We could not keep a PG rating when I was here before it's going to be the same now. Sorry, we gave them it. Android police. I drop f bombs like day between me and Michael Fisher. Every time I crushed a segue is enough bomb, you know? Well, I mean, last week's episode had at a Bong just like trashing all over the pixel three. And he was just, I like I was not going to bleep those out so that had he had the e. that's fine. E Fender e has the, that's fine. Let's get things back into order here. Just a quick moment for the while we watch GT which comes in to finishes, although effectively, it's just the band's one cell phone ones leather. And then the the big thing though is where Wes, where is it not there the you got this while last, which I'm not sure if it's the one that they've been working on as a potential backup to Android. But you know, and maybe perhaps there were some influences from ties in because you know, like while away got together for a little bit, but from what high may has, said, light LS works a lot like Wairoa s in terms of, you know, scrolling in terms of interface, and it's mostly tailored towards health, improved health metrics with a more hardware in it. But I'm just wondering what the direction is here with. The this thing here and I'll start with the Brian and having nothing to say it's not. He has no idea. Just screw off. It's Android police, not light. Noah's exactly. I was going to say the same thing as Ryan, except I was thinking about Samsung's recent watches with Tyson. They're actually really, really good a threat hurt so fast. The navigations brilliant in some ways. It's significantly better than Wairoa s actually. And I think one of the reasons is because Samsung is controlling it end to end apple style. So it's optimized. So you know, while we making their own operating system could turn out really, really well, actually. And for you Taylor, supposing that there's going to be alive the same. No comment here. Actually, I shot a video this week a bounce my everyday Keri which will be uploaded. I think tomorrow, Brandon. I'm not sure. Yes. On what channel the my, the best damage. Oh, yeah. End I had some commentary about smart watches. I've not worn one in about a year and a half, two years. And part of the reason is I hate the fact that if I look at my phone when I'm talking with someone, they think I'm in a hurry or I'm wasted a wasting my time or something, and I just hated that and I've completely sept- away from them. I don't use them or wear them. I've got to hear that high may sent me. There's one that's just really a fitness tracker, a g. shock and the other is the tick, watch pro. So I'll throw it back on. I'll try it for while, but really it's gonna take a lot of convincing to move the needle for me for a smart watch again. Yeah, in the thing is when I wore my apple watch, I ended up wearing. It would do not disturb on all the time. So it was really just a watch at that point. Yeah, yeah. Well, I wanted to take this opportunity to kind of pivot and talk about where general, because it's been, we've seen it's a design changes over the past several months in, you know, the name change now. There was more simplified home based gestures. You know, getting all the notifications in one screen and even then like we've seen a steady drop off in terms of the traditional multi, multi, multi level tech manufacturers adapting where less and still new. We've got a lot of traditional watchmakers like where am fossil, excuse me, fossil group. With its multiple brands here. I'm wondering what this move means in terms of like his while we able to or at school able to grow from this or is this another stumbling block for the company? I'm so excited about non tech companies making watches like the Skagen watch at the fossil watch, maybe less. And then there's this new Mont Blanc watch which is so cool thousand bucks, but it is nice. And if I wash with thirty one hundred platform, it is. Yes, it's it's gonna be awesome if I mean it's so so expensive, but like it actually looks like a real watch. So I'm so excited about these non tech companies making watches in their watchi- style. You know, can you imagine a Rolex with Wairoa as Abby gangsta. I don't know if I could see that. I mean, you know, it's not gonna re really retain. It's always been the case with these kind of vani things and circuitry inside of it. Like if it's not a quartz watch inside, then it's not really an over taints value once the screen has darkened forever. So that's kind of you know something that's gift be worry about. But I mean, where is still kind of this burgeoning thing that it's not it's still in this box, whereas apple has just run away. A Fitbit has just run away just ticking over in making sure that I feel like it's more utilitarian at more. It. They've been targeting the fitness crowd for a long time just now they're kind of expanding on that software based on the features that you can do. Cellular has really helped on that and you know, they're now they're kind of, I'm not sure if it's just direct marketing or if it's what method, but there is some influence in terms of, hey, this is not just the thing for, you know, running buffs, but this is the thing for me that can use in my daily life. So yeah. All right, eight, pebble. It's all right. I really, really like I was so stoked for the the pebble watch that actually didn't come out was the time to tie no steel and steel to and. I was actually going through my Kickstarter the other day, and I saw the return for that and I'm like, hey, no, it was the best I Neva using Android where even though we cover Android, I think it's terrible. I think it's terrible operating system with a really bad interface, but I don't like it. I was. I was actually scrolling through the tick watch and just trying to go through one notification to the next like ohi may hydrate high may didn't. I guess he didn't wipe the watch. He didn't disconnect it from his phone. So when I got there, there were hundreds of notifications and I was just I was reading them because you can't really see anything, but I was just scrolling through just trying to get one by one and I would swipe and it would jump to the bottom. And I was like, okay, I'll go back up and it jumped all the way to the top. I could never get to the middle notifications where it's terrible, terrible. So yeah, I personally am looking for something sort of similar to what high may guy, which was the. He got the garment watch, but as five plus that I got for him because like he couldn't get to meeting yet. So the ones I would be looking at most would be something from Casio because I wear a Pathfinder a PHD to forty for my outdoor, watch the world one where I'm working something this just barely a smartwatch, like just mostly not is what I'm looking for. Something that will track my steps just because I don't wanna have to wear that and if it bit. So something that will track my steps and maybe will buzz, you know, from time to time if I wanted to, but not. I don't need GPS. I don't need a touch interface, really. I don't. I just want. Like two or three features. Otherwise, why even have a phone? You know, like I won't either a watch the doubles phone just don't have to have a phone, or I want a baby want live Nubia alpha, which has itself, you know, wrap around screen or do you want the within the new with ings steel HR or something like that? Yeah. So either that or some futuristic smartwatch, that doesn't exist. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. What's that device? That turns a dumb watch into a smartwatch by putting like a bluetooth disc under, you know, in the Nevada rates. I don't know. I had heard about that. I don't remember what I think I might be knowing what you're talking about, but I'm not sure. So I won't say. Well, I mean, there's just another complicating factor for where Wes, I guess. And in the meantime, why goes its way? So it goes the walkway anyways. Let's. I think the ban three pro, I, I mean, I've tested before in, I think it was the band to like in twenty fifteen and did our right. I feel like with the improved sensors on here, they're using infrared to help out in terms of heart heart metrics and whatnot asleep tracking. They're gonna get decent results. The alleged the color will. Ed is a nice addition in. Yeah, that's pretty much all have to say about that. Not sure about better, Stu because it'd be you haven't tried them out, maybe you don't care, but it's something that's a worthy upgrade. I guess. All right. I think it's about time that we look forward to next week and the week after that to my not so may have Xiaomi with to events in China. I believe Joshua is going to be there because of course, torture is something that is not really condoned said they're just gonna fly over. It's this month has been a wreck on us. It's just been tiring. And so we have a me mix three and black, shark to lecture shirt being Sammy's gaming brand. They're already coming out with a second edition device and it's only been a few months since the first one, and that's the one that's gonna have like Rb Chroma in like radiated lights and whatnot. And then we Mimi experience just like, oh, we're going to do the apple find x. thing, have a sliding deck with the cameras and also push the vessels all the way out, I guess. So. There's that and then the week after one plus sixty happening on October. Thirtieth in New York. And then this week are I think yesterday even we just had the nets mint from apple that, oh, hey, we're going to be in New York to on October. Thirtieth in New York across the East River. So of course, this is going to, you know, really end the they have ipad pro. They have max coming up macbook air, I believe, may be the airpower wireless charging pad that has gone pretty much unmentioned for the past year. Plus at this point, apple what's going on. Come on, step it up. So I'm wondering out of all these events including the ones from the past, you know, just this whole month. What has been the most? You know, what has most appealed to you or what is most appealing to you? And I shall start off with Ryan. Well, the only one that really applies to me sixty the others rather not going to end up applying in the United States or they're not Android products. I'm interested in seeing the amac's. I totally too early for apple be releasing any are empowered macbook as was previously rumored to be in development earlier this year. That'll probably be something we see in the coming years. But nonetheless, I like seeing the way that their hardware develops. I use a MAC on the go. Generally, even though I'm not very big fan of the company's behavior towards developers or to consumers, it's just these in the best to go with, but so they'll have some personal interest, Matt. I'm really just focusing on the oneplus sixty. All right to you, Brandon. I'm going to steal your as Ryan every time. You know, I'll use a pixel two. In the only note nine then I'll use the iphone ten s and then I'll go back to the one plus six and every time I go back to the one plus six, I'm like, holy crap. This phone is so fast. And so it's just it's so good. It's so fast and then the camera doesn't suck which it you know has in the past on someone plus phones. So I'm so excited for the sixty. It sounds like it's going to be really, really, really great. It hub out, you Taylor. I don't. I don't know. It'd be probably a toss up between the one plus sixty or the. They make twenty pro- if I could get my hands on the may twenty pro only because I'm so interested in the cameras. I'd like to actually try that out, but I've not had a new Android phone since the s. eight plus. And this thing has been dormant for like the last two, three months. I'd like to try Android now, especially either in it's pixel form like pure unadulterated, Android or one plus because I'm not used. I'm not used to one plus ever. Not one. I got out of the game like right when one plus was coming into its starting up. And you had that like investigative piece back before you left with the, you know, figuring out Otto's connection to win plus and all that stuff like everyone was trying to figure that out. So, yeah, that was. That was a good job on that. And then now it's the one plus sixty, which is amazing. I write to wrap it up. And finally we have iphone ten are coming out today. Preorder 's lodging today with shipments coming up next week. I'm going to give Brandon minimum the opportunity to mic drop and ask him if he only had to use three words to describe it. What would they be? Three words. Colors are popular. Colors popular. That's true. His colors. That's good. I have to go after pick up my little girl, the bus stop and I don't want you to gliding. So mic drop commenced. Boom. See an extra week. All right. How 'bout to you tailor the one that's using the iphone ten right now? What's the iphone? Ten RT you in three words. What it do. I, I don't really. I don't really know what it is. I don't know how it's differentiated because I was traveling when the announcement hit. So. I'd never even read up on after that, apparently wants coming my way, but I'm not really blown away with any of the new changes, so we'll teasing your coverage on it and you're gonna find out soon enough. So, hey, look at that looking forward to that and Ryan Hager the, the person that covers Android, it only Android and you know, I mean, it's totally the wrong question, but I wanted to get something that was off your base for a second south three words, man, apples winning strategy. It'd be is gonna totally kill it to getting the full iphone experience. The same flagship level SOC administrators, Lucien screen, which everybody seems to point out is some huge defect, but people deal with it with the one plus six. It's not that big of a deal and it's cheap. You get all of the high end experience for much cheaper price. You get the fun colors. I think that the exile is going to be a runaway success. I mean, they're they are expecting somewhere around like two thirds of all new model. Sales go into the ten are surprised at all if it wasn't more. Yeah. And it's he like David broder op Ed that he was of the opinion. This was going to totally destroy Google's pixel sales, and I agree with the exile. You get the full camera experience. You get. I, if you're not really into the Andretti consistency, wait by pixel man. Well, they are pricey. Yeah, they are pricey, but those are fighting words of just looking at this. There's no, there's no depth sensor though. Right? So we're camera. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's only went on, but yeah, but you know. So you know, I mean, you still have the face eighty anyways. And that blend whether he's a key things portrait mode socks. So it's not that big of a loss. In my mind, you're still getting the primary shooter. You get most of the same experience. Well, I mean there's only one way to find out and we're looking forward to get in our shipments in. So stay tuned for a review. Stay tuned for Taylor Martin and stay tuned for Ryan Hager. What's going on Android police right now, what do you think? 'cause I want to be able to give you some dues here. What we've been covering a couple of the I mean, takes all eagle threes. They've been being delivered over the last few days we've been covering as is always the case. She start cropping up, Google quality control and their questionable design decisions have a thing for years and years and years. And it's it's a thing again as everyone expected. So we're, we're the bird going through figuring out what's wrong with the current crop of pixels. Do you think it's just the noise generated? That's like the most headline catching or because like there there have been a lot of other issues regarding galaxies. Samson is like, you know, he's the most popular smartphone OEM in the world, and it doesn't seem like we're getting as many. Callouts. Right. We're just in a position to hear more about it when it's the pixels that people who buy pixels or people were picky there, people who are really into Android, they're picky about what they want in software, what drives them to the Google experience. But it also means when something's wrong, they're more focused about it and do our position. We're more likely to hear it. Yeah, I don't doubt that their phones have as many or more problems we just we had appearing mostly about pixel issues. Well, hopefully more that feedback is public and therefore perhaps Google might be able to attend to them quicker. So. That we can only hope, but the that now we should probably end the show that is it for now the weekly, just as much a conversation as it is a show. So make sure you make your voices heard I during the confrontations or by emailing us podcast at pocket. Now dot com. You can also tie the cast on Twitter. Granted, minimum is at Brandon many man. We have Ryan Hager here. He is are white and e h h. e. r. Taylor Martin is at casper tech. That tech is t k and I'm at point jewels Bucknell was on, talk it now on Twitter, it's at pocket. Now on Twitter, I should say it's also on Facebook too. I mean, if you want, and then there's Google plus which. Be there for long. So there you go. We're also on YouTube in English SNL where you can find more news on the puck and now daily and Puckett down at the area. Every weekday. We're also on Puckett now dot com. 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Seeing RED, Apple and OnePlus | #PNWeekly 330

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Seeing RED, Apple and OnePlus | #PNWeekly 330

"I'm fine and timing. I I've I've made so that you know, what I decided today after the podcast. I don't want to do anything. So. Hello. And welcome to episode three thirty of the weekly brought to you by pocket next day developers recorded on Friday, the second of November twenty eighteen and I am elated to say November no longer have to say October. Goodness. You guys real quick before we get into the rest of that intro. What was it called? Okay. I get that. It was tech Tober. But I feel like I was much more correct? In calling it phone Pakalitha Bach ups. Indeed. I'm really happy that the month is over. There's still a lot to do. And there's a lot. I talk about on this podcast, but welcome back to everybody. I hope we're all okay, and recovering as you can see there are some residual problems with tech Tober as you can see my my webcam looks a little bit different today. We've had audio problems. Brandon won't you give us a quick example of the snow apparently my microphones making me voice, which is great. Finally sound like I've gone through puberty. God. Yeah. If the veered was an indication. Indeed. Yes. This is going to be the best. Okay. So that's per gills words in this intro from the cluster fudge that is the red hydrogen one to the distant memory sort of of the one plus sixteen event and a lot of apple inbetween. We're here to cover it all because we wish you were here with us. We wish you were there with us through all of the things that we were able to do traveling all over the place just getting back from New York. Hi me. Of course, it's still in New York, but he has traveled coming up as do. I it's been a crazy. I'm your host Joshua Gara. What's going out of your body? And the crew is back together. Let's start with let's start with. Brandin minimum. And how are you? Which could hear how it sounds is it like or just like kind of like you sound like what was the name of the the spot throat was it. As my as my life goes out as my webcam goes out. What no let's not let's continue on August. I don't know any cases microphones having some issues. But welcome back to the cast. We saw you in New York, which is awesome. We hang out for a bit fun hanging out. Don't get guys too much person. Yeah. Hi, Ed is finally settles back in his New York studios for a hot second. That's true. So how's it going on your end packing, sadly packing? That's my life right now. Yeah. Definitely a lot of travel coming up. I'm actually going to be out also in the next couple of days. So you may or may not see me on next week's podcast. But that's for next week. We do have one more person who is meant to be on the podcast healer Marin is going to be here a little bit later. But why don't we just go ahead and jump into all of our stories? Okay. The most recent thing that happened. I she don't technically not because because of what apple did one plus head to move up their date like a day. So we all had to go there early. But we finally got our hands on. And of course, I'm the one who I'm the idiot that leaves it in this car we have the one plus sixteen now. And of course, has is. There you go nice. So we have the one plus sixteen newly announced a lot of great stuff to to talk about with this device. And if I can make the quick thought that the sixteen with all of its flagship specifications, all of the news. That was supposed to come out from this particular new phone from one. Plus, it didn't seem like a very exciting phone until the event. Am I wrong that always happens? Right. The they dramatize the features talked about how many years they spent working on things and. Yeah, exactly. But it was more. Like the story. They were telling on stage that got me I was becoming more in and by the time the by the time the event was done. I was all in and I'm actually really excited for this phone not just be not necessarily because it's providing anything completely different than anything anyone else. But it's just because the way that they told the story of made it clear one. Plus is here finally here, it took six and a half rations, or whatever you wanna call it. But they're finally here. So before we get into some of the specifications. Hymie some quick thoughts on the one plus sixteen as you're holding. I wish it came out and read I think this is the only thing that that I feel it's missing it's definitely thicker phone. It's definitely heavier phone. You've got a larger battery. It is probably the most update that I've. Well, no, I mean, if you saw the three and a three tier was the same thing. But I didn't use the threes of the three t for me was new. But then there were more differences. I feel between the five in the five t then there are between the six and the sixteen. And so it's not that I'm under. Well, I just I wish that it came out and read on day one, and they gave me the red baron tonight. Be a happy guy. There was some rumors that a purple edition was going to come out. Do you do you would you would you rock purple one? I would totally rock any color. That's not this Matt black mirror. Black like, these are like the colors that at least like I like the Matt black. It's don't get me wrong. It's just a I feel I don't know. They were the ones they're the ones that I should blame for making me like red phones. So please, I would like another one thank you. I'm really upset with myself because I have my unit, and it has the. Matted red case on it. You saw that. I was using in New York like that. Yeah. That was the immediate accessory that we put on. But yeah, I I'm gonna I'm gonna get to a question to all of you guys. So she you. Hi may after what you just said. But let's give quick welcome to Taylor. Who's just coming in? He's still he's still getting set of it looks like. Well, I've not quite figured out this whole using my camera for webcam. So it was blocking my monitor's directly at a movement. It looks really good your your backgrounds. Nice and blurred. And by the way, if I sound deep that's because I've made the transition to a man. Finally, forty five years, Brandon. How do you feel? Okay. So back to the one plus six t I don't know if I could truly call this a simply iterative update, though, because you know, we've we've we actually have physical very tangible changes I go from six to sixteen and obviously we're talking about the lack of a headphone, Jack. They finally they moved away from it. Even though for years they were saying they're not going to put it away yet. There's now the in display fingerprint sensor, which I think everyone I want everyone to chime off on that. And also, there are just a all obviously, the fact that it's on T mobile we'll get to that in a little bit. But that indisp- fingerprint sensor has anyone ever viewed this as a not really I don't want to say game change because it's still a fingerprint reader at the end of the day. But is it that much of an innovation forward that warrants the sixtee- leaping forward? Well, it's the first phone of the United States, including Yesler fingerprint scanner so that is a big deal. The second thing is it's interesting that you notice when you set it up that it took a little bit initially like it didn't really get it right at the beginning. And like for the first couple of tries. It was just giving you issues. And then by like the after the tenth time you unlock your phone. It's it just works. Now. Have you noticed that it truly does learn from you for the first fingerprint for the second fingerprint, though that I'd registered on it still having issues it's still learning. But that's because you're most likely using one more than the other. Yeah. I think that's true too. Yeah. That's why. Yeah, for sure, okay. So in displays fingerprint sensor, I remember when this whole trend will start to come about people were really excited because you could tell you any part of the screen for it. But of course, that's not the case. Now is the very specific area that shines a light on your fingerprint. That's the full realization of this technology is that in the not too different future. You'll be able to just put your finger anywhere on the screen. And whom I'm not Taylor's losing his mind James Earl Jones and the five cast everyone always need now is a lightsaber and the whole entire for Darth Vader and were on. You guys are bullying me and being very mature. I just wanna point that out. Thank you. Thank you. That's exactly who I am. I appreciate that. You acknowledge it finally. So. So gills, of course, the playing the boxing right now over on his side of things. He's he's in the booth. Of course, Taylor. Did you take a look at any of the coverage of the oneplus sixtee- that that we all did any thoughts on this phone? This is this is kind of a hot one despite not being the most unique phone. Well, one I was recently called out for saying something along the lines of most unique. Apparently, it's either unique or not can't be more or less unique. Anyway. Stolen that out because I was called out on it recently. But I think this phone is probably one of the most intriguing to me because as someone who's not been in the game for so long. This is a phone that, you know, something as a general consumer I would buy just because the price. So the value. I guess is the better way to put it the value of this foam, and that's really their play. Obviously. That's what they've been going for for since. I came around originally. But yeah, I think that alone is enough to make me interested in this home, regardless of any of the specifications or anything else. Yeah. We'll going down the specs just real quick subject. Need forty five. You can get six or eight gigabytes of ram one hundred twenty eight or two hundred fifty gigabytes of onboard storage the display is a ten eighty p display. It's an amyloid display with that little teardrop notch at the top, which is the selfie camera. But also what it uses for these super fast face on lock. I have to admit one thing. I like about the way the fingerprint sensor is implemented on here is if it fails more than once it turns on the screen and looks for your face and the face on lock is always fast. Like, it always know unless I'm wearing my my shades knows that it's me. So I'm happy about that. Oxygen. Obviously, I wanna get a few thoughts on. I wanna get thoughts on oxygen us as we move forward. So first of all oxygen, no s the version of Android that I feel like more. So in the past week, I've been hearing from people is the their favorite version of Android. Do we agree or disagree? Oh, yeah. It is totally my favorite. I just wish they would adopt like the pixel font instead of their own proprietary. But I love it. I have actually never used it. I don't have will you will very soon tailored. Just give me a couple of days the finish filming a couple of things, and you will have a unit as well. During mind like there are differences. There's so the T mobile unit is actually not the same unit as the international in a couple of things first of all it's single sin. Second. It's locked T mobile, which I wasn't expecting. It does have a few T mobile applications that I also wasn't expecting to kind of hate. Okay. Which ones were those. You know, the typical so you get to the typical Mitee mobile app. And then the other one is to be able to unlock your phone, which didn't work. I was able to unlock my phone. Wall. Pay to unlock it off T mobile if you wanna use that that is a good question. I don't know, man. But it just told me the phone is not eligible in Perry. That's it. According to Joel's, you have to pay off the you have to have forty days of consecutive us first. And then after that pay off the balance of the device, which of course is on T Mola. That's the one that's seven five seventy nine. I think is the is the price of that one because they have the eight gigabyte and one hundred twenty eight gigabyte storage mere black addition. So that's yeah. Yeah. And that's another thing. That's actually an exclusive like you can get the six gig sixty one hundred twenty eight from one plus, but if you want that Meera black eight gig one hundred twenty eight it can only be got gotten on on T mobile right now. A couple of quick takes on somewhere device stuff before we get into the T mobile portion of the story, which I personally really enjoyed an and for one particular reason high, and I went to the pop up in the t mobile store. So we'll talk about that about God. That was crazy go for. Yeah. All right. So first of all the the display this is going to be a very. Typical question to ask for for phone. Like this ten eighty p is still not enough. Or is it just enough still for you? I I don't know about you guys. I tend to be more than enough. I that way. What about what about you Braden, I have always been clo- pixel peoper? And like, it's fine for me. I mean, the DP I is over like four hundred and over like if it's over like three fifty or even three hundred and a lot of cases, you really can't notice any pixelated or display quality issues. So it's perfectly fine for me. Yeah. It's never too much. Never too. Barry, white Joe. No, that's not very white. Is it never mind? Anyway, Taylor ten ADP year knee on you. It's way more than enough. It really truly is. And that's actually the reason that I only make videos into navy p is because fourteen is really only valid if you were looking at it on a large screen and relatively close to it beyond that like a computer monitor. Sure, TV sure. But a phone it's so far beyond what you can actually discern that it doesn't matter. I mean, I was talking about this stuff back in twenty twelve like like when qh HD was first coming around. It's like, okay. This is getting to be a little excessive excessive only because you can't really see if you can the amount it is well past the point of diminishing returns, I think it was. I think it was Jonathan Morrison. He did that compare them with the sexual right here. The ten are. The side. I think it was the polka phone. Oh, okay. And and he was saying this one's a seven twenty p screen or maybe the focus ten eighty p. And this one is seven fifty p. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it doesn't matter. You put them side by side. It's more about for me, the color accuracy and overall oneplus set it onstage themselves. It's not about the numbers. It's about the user experience. Which is why we talk about the oxygen, which we'll talk about these plays. I want to remember everything that you guys just said though, as we get into our MEC book discussion alot of later anyway, one final, but l let me talk about that. But there are a couple of changes that are not necessarily good one of the things that I loved about the wimps six is that if you went into full screen mode for video it would not reveal the notch like it would autumn medically hide the notch. The moment used them into full screen video you wouldn't be able to see it. Whereas in the case of the St. it does not. Visible. It does go there pretty much like in the iphone tennis, which pisses me off this. Yes. But it doesn't really matter. It was like this is something that shouldn't have been changed like I one. Plus was the first company to do it right with the wom- Pless six why break it with the sixteen? Is it really that big of a deal? Hi may. I mean like. Twenty seven t seven pixel are. Imagine. Can you imagine going to a movie theater and having the person on one corner stand up and put their head and part of the monitor and cover it up? It's not that it's going to be a big of a deal most likely everything they care about the movie is gonna be aside from the guy's head. But it regardless it's it's annoying. Does it does it offer the option to zoom out? So you're saying, no, no, this is only when you full screen video, and I'm never gonna talk anyway. But the problem is the problem is and by the way, commenters and listeners, this is the reason why we haven't made the move to eighteen by nine video. You don't need, you know, need pillar box. It's not boxing. What's the other? You don't need letter boxing on your TV and notches are good. There's no way for you to avoid the notch disruption on eighteen by nine video. If you have a phone that that, you know doesn't cover it up. And so if you're using a pixel three excel you, oh, it's bad. If you're using a pixel three excel. So that's the reason why we stick the sixteen by nine video forbid. Yeah. So I wonder if you we will have to test this for our for our full reviews as they come. If you go into the settings and you hide the notch. If that kind of fixes that. But it's not an automatic thing. Like, it wasn't the one six it's. Yeah. That's a good question. I haven't tried it. I will. But then again, you know, the the the not just not intrusive. It's not doesn't bother me for everything else. Like for daily operations. It doesn't really cause me anything to be annoyed about. I just I don't like that one thing that was so well done on the six is screwed on the sixteenth. All right. If you disable the notch either through developer options, or through you know, the regular settings display. I think it's unethical to disabled pixels. I do like what are you? Why would you turn off pixels and reduce your screen size? All pixel lives matter. Well, with the exception of the pixel three XL, everyone, which would shoot it is. I one final thought on the one plus sixty camera. Have you used the camera quite extensively? We're gonna talk about this real quick talk about T mobile and then head out because Brandon is has to head out. Brandon has the head out of it. So I was I I actually just came back from running some comparison tests between the tennis and the sixty I you know, photography on the six was good. These are the same cameras. They call for an enhanced HD are I do notice it on the screen, but I do want to pull the photos out and see them on the consigned for giving verdict because visually because the for some reason, I just find them to be brighter and more saturated on the on the sixteenth than on the tennis. I would rather pull them into a computer and see if that's really the case fair enough. Yeah. I I've been able to go through it a little bit. The portrait mode seems to be working fairly well on the rear on the front. They have face. Retouched? Ching. And if you look at my Instagram, I did do one photo where it was me. And then another photo that wasn't me because my freckles are gone to like a defining feature of my face. So to the face touching is still thing there Taylor, you you touched upon this earlier that the price is a big part about this and the base level model of this phone comes at five forty nine which is a great price. But even then five seventy nine on T mobile, and if you do the payment plan, it's only twelve dollars a month for everything that this phone is doing is this the do we have the return of the never settlement holiday like they they never used the term flagship killer anymore. No one ever Dutt's. So that's fine. But is never never settle mentality. Back now that this one is over five thousand stores in the US because of T mobile. I mean, I'm honestly considering going out after this going to get one myself l while I've been considering it because I have the s eight plus still fine. I'll keep the unit here. No problem. Well, let's the only thing keeping me from. Actually, physically buying it. Because this is my newest entrance phone as the eight plus as a plus, and I don't know I've always kind of teetered on that line of wanting to buy the one plus not and having available, and I shouldn't I know I shouldn't but having available to finance carrier just make sweetens that deal told dollars a month or think the upper end the higher end version as close to twenty dollars. Yeah. Something like that twelve dollars was via trade, and I think this would gills chiming enough on which I'm going to trade him for. I know I'm a sucker financing and trading in your phones like the. Worst way to do things at least from financial standpoint, just make things more viable. I don't wanna drop a thousand dollars fourteen hundred dollars on the foam and really truly don't want to drop five hundred seventy five dollars on a phone for anybody out there for anybody out there who's looking to get or to suggest a new phone for an you've anybody in your families who happened to be on T mobile. This is a compelling phone. It's it is compelling to the max because it is not only an affordable phone, but it does everything that the other phones tend to do. And then some we are going to go in and wrap up on the one plus sixty I know that Brandon has a bit of an outright now. So Brandon if you wanted to give any flannel thoughts before you bid us farewell for today. James Earl Jones. You're gonna miss my electable. New taylor. Learn to love it. All right. Well, I'm gonna drop out. I'll talk together later. All right. All right. Hi, man. I will get into our experience around the T mobile slash, plus sixteen expire like whole pop-up thing. A little bit later. We'll get to do that during our break. But for now, let's jump into what happened just the day after. Oneplus did their announcement. We're talking about the new apple products. So there was this like there's this invite that came out that had like this drying of an apple on. And they said Knuth like more things are coming. I think it is. I think is what what they were saying on that invite. But I actually watched the keynote, and I was actually I watched it here to wash it there. I was actually getting excited for the new macbook air like I'm using a mate book ex pro right now. So I'm all obviously into the Oltra book life at the moments. So I'm really excited. I was really excited rather to Hugh what the macbook air had to offer. And then I heard the words dual core. Wait a second. Wait. Let me are you using the no scam right now. No, I'm not I'm using an actual because if I did I mean, I could turn it on right now. If you want here, let's take a look at this horrible for anyway, that doesn't know on the wall. We may book ex pro there's a little hidden Cam, that's at keyboard level. So it's going to be looking up here. If if you if I were to turn it on right now. So I'm using an actual webcam. And then my camera my actual dealers behind it. Wishing it could be used. But for some reason I had technical difficulties anyway, the Medicare smaller vessels. It's faster. It's it's it's lighter. I mean, it's a MAC book air end from what I remember of the key. No, the main thing they were talking the entire time. I just remember laughing when I heard this. It was saying, and we brought the feature that all of you really wanted a retina display, and I was like that's the one everyone wanted to. That's the feature that everyone was clamoring for on a notebook that should be available for creatives and for. And for people want to be artists. Macbook air sorry tailored before I was just saying I've used a macro care recent macbook air in I don't know switching back to that display after having used a MAC pro and the twelve inch macbook it was kind of tough. So I think so I think it has a lot to do with them like, especially when I was photo editing and stuff on the twelve inch MAC book comparing to doing some on my sister's Medicare, it was just it's just. Better. Like, if you're using the MAC book for what we do it, definitely matters. But then again, nobody's like video editing or anything on a on a Magister. Unimak? And just a photo at it on like, the twelve inch macbook or this. It's pretty intense, especially if you're dealing with like real large images. I mean, this camera puts out forty two point eight megapixel ze. Yeah. Sunday like that. It would it would bog laptop town importing just five. So. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I remember back when Mr. Fisher was I think I think I in his last months with you guys was using a MAC book air it everything. And I thought he was a crazy person for doing that. Now, he was he was he used the macro for a year. But he used the like a first generation Akwa care for me. I was. Yeah. Yeah. I think he had that if I'm not mistaken he had that macbook air when we were in Eva. Yeah. At Eva in fourteen. And he was video editing on the exporting them. I used I used the MAC book air for video editing for about a year and up, you know, it was good enough. It wasn't those hour and a half export times. No it was. It was a thirty minute. Export time. Still wasn't. And then I jumped to the macbook pro. And I went from thirty minutes to three, you know, pretty much. I was I was just thinking to myself, you know, because I I've been in the market for a new laptop for a while. I've been using an old MSI for a long time. And I'm finally add on a newer one. And I'm very happy with it. So I was actually really interested to hear what the Medicare had to offer. And like I said like it's an eighth gen Intel processor, but it's dual core one. And it's it's one that was catered to did, dude. But that's the thing. I mean, the the macbook pro the thirteen inch barely got qua-. I wasn't expecting the Medicare to get to get anything anything close to a quad. Like, there's just no way. Forget it. It's not going to happen. This is apple and this. This computer is not triggered for creatives. It's a business people's computer where you're gonna type any males and stuff like that. Now. Now that being said you can use it. I mean, it's got to thunderbolt three ports. Not even the new back book cast that. Two hundred three's. Like, it literally is like like, a mini thirteen inch macbook pro to a certain degree it cycle. Lesser version of that MAC book. Pro it doesn't have the same clock speeds. But you get to thunderbolt threes, you touch ID which you don't get on the non touch bar MAC book, for example. So there are a lot of things going for this, computer. Like, I would be willing to use a MAC book air like on a trade show in our carry a MAC pro just because of you know, it's two pounds less on my back. But you know, that's just me. I know a lot of people that would swear by their macbook pros in that said where I prefer portability. Yeah. That's kind of a setup by having a moment. I have the Alterra book the may book. And then I haven't GP you that for the last two trips so far I have had this GPA set up in my hotel room ready to ready to do the rendering as I use this on whatever floor, I'm on. So I do get that there is some cumbersome cumbersome to have those big GP though. I will admit exactly, and that's really the probably the biggest point about this macbook air is if you want the extra horsepower, Hugh can connect any GP. Yeah. You know? So that's one of the main reasons, I'm like, wow this computers. Actually, no slouch. It is not. But it's still a big ask for twelve hundred bucks. I was just about that. It definitely the biggest with that MAC book air is the twelve hundred their pricing it like the old thirteen inch macbook air. That's the thing. I mean, if they would have come up with the eleven inch which for me eleven inch MAC book air with just one hundred. Three-point and stuff like that. I would've loved that thing. Yeah. Hundred bucks. Yeah. But still at nine hundred at nine hundred bucks eleven inches. That was I I had one of those eleven inch MAC book airs, I really love that thing. So I don't know. I guess the starting price is literally the same as previously. What the old MAC with Garin? I you know, I think that they have a purpose for it. You know, they're adding a lot of stuff that is really hard to find right now in a lot of like if you look at any twelve hundred dollar regular windows, laptop thunderbolt three is not easy to come by. And at most you're you're gonna get one port. Yeah. At most, you know, you're probably not going to get the best display in the world. I mean, even that may expo that you're using. Josh that thing is like fifteen hundred bucks becomes a dedicated graphics and comes with a six core processor. True that but it's a fifteen hundred dollar, computer. And you don't have optimize applications for it. Like find out over example. Which is the other case, you know, it's not just the computer. It's the fact that apple does offer a suite of software that will take advantage of do you can add video on a new MAC book of Yuan is gonna take you an hour and a half to render that video, but you can still edit it without background render. Yeah. That's true. I have I have toyed with the idea of moving to final cut pro. But I'm you know, I'm happy with what I have right now. But yeah for twelve hundred dollars. I wonder. Hundred dollars. I wonder who has who this particular macbook air is four. And I think that I mean, the number one the number one answer at least in my is someone who had the previous one and wants the new display, and that makes sense to me. But I still think that a thirteen inch macbook pro even price let's say eighteen hundred has dedicated graphics and a six core processor would have been like an immediate by from me. Just personal what I what I think is that apple needs to wake up and smell the coffee about the MAC book. The non MAC book air that computers should not cost more than eight hundred Zachary's like I get it that there was a lot of our data create that computer, and it took two generations. But right now, it's going to be like, you know, the new MAC book is now going to be ninety nine. And then we've got the MAC book air twelve ninety nine I feel that that that would have been a good balance right now, the new MAC book is like it's still thirteen hundred. I'm like, no. And the things struggles load chrome sometime because I used one for a year and. Half and just for writing mainly, and I would have tweet, but I would have bear or whatever writing after San basic minimalist writing up and chrome and that thing would just bogged down. Yeah. Right. You were using non apple applications? We go back to the thing. Like, it's it's like with those with windows tennis. And even so like, I'm currently using that Samsung galaxy book too, by the way, it arrived to me three days ago. Oh, my gut even running windows from the prove apps for windows, tennis, even running slack on. That thing is slow af. All right. And it's that, and it's a one thousand dollar, computer. Yeah. All right. Well, I do wanna make sure we spend a good amount of time on the ipad. Which is why I want to ask for hot takes on the MAC mini. Here's here's one thought that I wanna give out there for someone like me was always looking for the optimized way of going. How does this sound to you guys a MAC mini? Bring just that with me. And maybe the way just so I have an tra- book to use on the show floor. But if I want to do like, the hardcore editing stuff back in my hotel room, MAC, mini HD might into the TV of the hotel room house. That's out. It's going to be terribly TV's monitors. TV's monitor the worst resistance, this is so funny to me though that they make mini computers. Okay. Jill says by portable display, I agree. But still it's a why would I have the laptop is what I'm saying? But the MAC mini is it's a portable device not made to be portable. That's the thing. That drives me nuts about these kinds of products. It has everything to like at eight Jen six core processor. It has great storage options. It has four Thunderball three ports. So talk about your pews. They're still need your e n no. But but but but see that's the thing. I would rather carry any GPO in that set fair enough. I was just you know, I sold the on that I just wish GP's weren't the size of my bike. You would probably still need an GP with this many totally. I mean until graphic six thirty like, yeah. What what is what is it with these other? It's always integrated graphics. I mean like again just talk about the me book. It's just one example of it the mix when fifty it is. It is a dedicated processor graphics processor that can be put into these all books that they should have put in there, which is which is not really good. It's not amazing. It helps it helps. Yeah. It's not really that. Great. I mean, I I understand that in the sense that you know, what why require the extra space for the for the GP you if it's not gonna be great. Yeah. That's true. By the way. I may just so, you know, the gigabyte Auras it's the smallest GPO out there. If you are interested. And link me. I'm not sponsored just saying. The six core. Addition of the MAC, mini, again does not come with dedicated graphics starts off at one thousand ninety nine but can someone explain to me this maximum addition that comes at forty one hundred dollars like what is going? I what is there? I guess I guess they had that MAC mini server version was twisted. Shia and the already got your monitoring you wanna maxed out computer quote on quote. The you can get that. Joe says ten gigabit Ethernet six is seven two terabytes of storage on that thing. And if it's still that small like, wow, you know, how come there's no middle. Yeah. I get it. But I, but I would rather buy a MAC, I would rather buy an I MAC pro for that amount of money and also get the splaying the keyboard and everything because that's the thing. It's forty one hundred dollars without a good keyboard or mouse or display, you know. So once you add up all the stuff, you n the buying imac a great. All right. So let's get into the one the refresh that everyone was waiting for and talk about how the ipad pro may be pushing the envelope, but also kind of stepping back a little bit. And by that, of course, I mean, there's nor lightning port was BC device. And I already is shaking his head. Okay. So I I'm hoping listen to what I'm about to say. I'm hoping that there is a USB see to lightning dog. Yes. I'm so loaded with lightning accessories for pads. I'm like, all right. Matt couldn't you just add to port. So that damn thing. One USB see one lightning and make everybody frigging happy. I mean, you've got you've got the space that would make too much sense. Also, I I wasn't expecting such a such a realistic remarked. But if they were going to do that, they would probably charge another two hundred bucks. Just just add to ports two hundred bucks. Yeah. That's true. And and you know, what I let's say there should be a hundred percent is going to be a USB to lightning because they did say on the keynote that you can charge your iphone with it. So of course, it's going to be you as a lightening cable. They already make that I have already been. That that is true. No. But but I need, but I need a I would need the inverse connector because I have a male lightning. And we're talking that there is US mail lightning. So I need female. Female or female USB see. I would need training nude male use mail USB, see two female, lightning is what I would guess what you guess like my microphone my microphone for the daily. Requires a lightning connector and using an ipad because I'm able to see my waves on one side in the script on the other. And it's just more practical. But it sure I could just go back and use an iphone instead. But I would prefer using my I have my ipad pro for everything that I currently use my nine point seven in Pat pro, you know, they're gonna charge like eighty dollars for that. Adapt right. You're so up to mystic I was expecting a hundred but Belkin Belkin will wait six months, and they'll come out with one for thirty. So how do we feel about this anchor? We'll make one for fifteen. So so how do we feel about some of these other changes on the ipad? Pro like, obviously, we have a better display again liquid retina as love to use the retina display terminology face ide-. There's no home button anymore uniform vessels. The apple pencil is magnetically docked on there for both. Just mounting and charging finally charging a way that makes sense exactly ten hour to the port was a horrible idea. Because when you're charging the apple pencil on the twelve inch. I had a tough one nine anti pet prone apple pencil, and it's like this wide when you're chart. Just so I know it looked like a painting campaign. So it was the worst. The apple a twelve x this is a larger version of the eight twelve so it has a has a lot of good processing put that thing on keyboard. You can do a lot of things on the ultra book can do actually. So there were there were a lot of bits and pieces to this entire ipad. Pro ecosystem just to show how can replace a laptop which I thought was funny. They were like pro strain you, but who doesn't wanna laptop? But if you do here's Michael gear. So they're trying to cover every base, even though the they made it clear, the ipad Perot is probably their most celebrated device of this particular event, but also still spending as much as you would on laptop. Exactly, I mean, it starts at seven ninety nine. But goes all the way up to eighteen nine. I don't know. So I did the math one that I ordered his twelve fifty if you want the keyboard and you want the pencil and the two hundred and fifty six gigabyte ipad pro because you can't buy an ipad for sixty four gigs. I'm like seriously apple like you. Just can't that's ridiculous. God the picture of the student video editing on pad. Just can't well because Dobie up on stage for the keynote, and they showed the version of roof shop on there, which I thought was great. But they need to optimize adobe premiere rush just came out. And I need whenever whenever apple comes up with like a final cut light that allows at least three to four layers of video editing. I would be like, okay, we got an gills a believer in rush. Apparently, he just chimed in premier Russia's great. Apparently, I have to use it is not on Android. Probably gave I I gave it a little try, and it's got limited amount of layers. And you know, it's like literally like, I'm movie. No, it's not it's it's like windows movie maker almost pro like all those prob- not that. Okay. The biggest thing I need is photo editing, but the photo editing in light remote now is fantastic. Cause you can sink your presets and stuff, which is got us beautiful. It's amazing. But then again, I just I don't know. I still have a toll point nine inch ipad the original point nine. And I love it, man. I just maybe I've just gotten older cheap or the the impending doom of having my first child is did I congratulate you on the cast. By the way. I haven't been around in a couple of weeks. I apologize that. It's it's made me a cheapskate look at these prices. And I'm like that's a lot of diapers. Oh my God. This is like I've had pros right there. You know? Which one of these can I get instead of a crib? So who who is this? Okay. So high you actually gave your example of when I had works for you, you use it as your way form and recording device for the audio. That's one good example of how it's practical to have this large screen here. Who else is the ipad pro for if you have an ipad from before? The new one. Yeah. Rich people. On a serious note. Like, the reason I got the twelve point nine inch. I've had pro is because for the last four years. Primary job has been writing. I've been writing not making nearly as many videos do now. And I used as a writing tool, which is it's a very expensive writing tool, but it's it's a distraction free writing tool. Like, it's limited in what it can do a used that as a benefit like you can do multitasking on ipad. But it sucks and use that to block out a bunch of distractions and use it as a writing to that point. That is a good point. I love using ipads for writing scripts. I just there are things like there are people that don't need a computer. I'll give you the example of my sister. She has never owned a computer all she uses her phone for absolutely everything that she does from Bank transactions. Absolutely everything. She does not know what it's like to own a comp-. Pewter? So I know a ton of people for were, you know, computers are overkill all they need to do is respond to Email browse the web. I just feel that I got lost with this whole pro moniker where I feel that I should not cost more than five hundred bucks. That is the problem. I've had in Chromebooks should not cost more than five hundred bucks. There's and so sorry, go ahead. No. And so for me if like the whole composite of buying an ipad meeting, the keyboard, and the and the stylus would be eight hundred dollars fee like it's an impulsive by. I'm like, yeah. Why not you know? It's it's a it'll be that light thing that I want to carry to a briefing that I don't wanna carry a computer. And then I also use it for my for my shot list and everything it's so practical that's me, but I'm not gonna lie like we were discussing it with Brandon. And I'm like, I think I'm better off with my existing ipad. Pro I don't feel needs upgrade because of the price. It is too. Much money for a product, that's convenient. But not you're not fully useful. As was a computer. It's just convenient. I also forgot the the other main reason I got the ipad pros because I was camping and a sea power is kind of hard to come by grid. You can't just you can't just like move a Bush out of the way. And then in the tree there's a outlet. I have this right here, which I could target with a solar panel. But it's the anchor power, and that's AC power, but I can charge. My ipad with power Bank to three times, I can charge with the powerhouse ten times or more Akkad charge. My laptop maybe three or four there. And that's that's the big thing. There is USB power being able to charge things Mobely when you don't have access to an outlet. And that's the other big thing for me, especially for students if you're in a classroom, and you need a laptop with with a if you need power, you might not have that no matter what classroom you're in. You might not have access to that AC power. But if you've got a power Bank. Good for it could work that way agree. And that that was one of the biggest reasons for me buying that. As as not having to lug around big power, brick everywhere went I just had a power Bank toss my backpack. I could go for I could work for two three days without having to bring other charters with me. Yeah, for sure. Okay. By the way, I am looking in the chats James w agrees with high may in regards to year use case scenario of the ipad who you. He also said that the ipad is still not going to be the replacement for laptops, for most people pretty much all people really still not going to get to that point. Adrian stroz ER says never been interested in the ipad. Sorry. A bigger device is one thing. But once we have a device for every single little category. It starts to get a little ridiculous in my eyes. Like, I would've loved to have something like an ipad. But I really got the ultra book and ready have like in my case the pixel at the moment, but I'm reviewing different phone. So any of these phones that have come out Intech Tober? So yeah, I think I have most of my most of my stuff most my basis covered. Okay. So we got through all of that. We have the one plus six t and also the apple announcements which happened to back to back with that just like when we were covering all of those events, we need to take a little break. So we're going to do that right now. The bucket weekly is brought to you by the national security agency. Almost every day. We hear something on the news about a cyber attack. 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Yeah. Michael Fisher later on with it for a little bit. I think it was a brick. Okay. Yes. So what were your impressions let's start with. Okay. I wanna thought was okay. Just just by the way looked the red hydrogen wants a Franken razor because it has that like really block easy. But then the added all of these textures to the side and whatnot. It's it looks like a branding nightmare. Because like it's almost as red is trying way too hard to make this phone look different from everyone else because you want to know that that is a red camera a red phone trying to make it look tactical. Yeah, tactical. That's that's the one no not tactical tactic cool tactic. Cool. I think we have the name of our podcast now the. The the other thing was that. I remember who I didn't turn it on. But a couple of the people we were hanging out with using the phone turned on the three d screen effects. And I was like, oh, cool. That's the future. I turned off on my three DS. I've never I don't know. I it doesn't do anything for me. And from what I can tell the as has been the folly of many Afon company over the last over pretty much throughout the history of smartphones. When it comes to the camera. It's not that the camera itself is bad. It's that they don't know how to tune the software for it yet. And it seems like that's the problem. The biggest problem right now with the red from the red hydrogen rather. So honestly, it's a phone. That's trying way too hard to make it clear to you what it is without actually fundamentally making it what that is. You know, Redford cameras. This is not a great camera. Apparently. So that's what I've been hearing at least. So. Yeah. No. And and if red is going to make a camera and not or a phone and not make it the best damn camera around. What's the point? Yeah. Like, they don't have. They shouldn't have to explain what it is about this phone that. That's so unique. It should be read made a foam. It's really good camera phone if they did not hit that Mark. It's a failure. And and you know, what what gets me is like, okay Taylor. So you've been as you've been saying the game for a while. But you've been able to see the volition of smartphones. And what these companies have been able to do over the years of improving their phones and whatnot. Why is it so hard for a new player to come into the game and not already understand the lessons every other camera or every other phone company have have have learnt like you just have to look at history to no don't do that or do this or do that? It's it's like the the used car lot. I don't remember who it wants somebody explained it to me. It's there are a lot of around here. And I'm sure everywhere in America, probably around the world where there's this one spot a township or whatever that's used car lot. It opens its around for six months year shuts down because they didn't get any business. So the next one moves in there like we can do this better and the the exact same things happen. And then it just like it recycles over and over and over and nobody ever learns a same situation downtown, concord. So I live in concord, North Carolina. This downtown area. There's this this shopping mall in the downtown area. That's inside their bunch of shops in it. And it's like one week there will be a tyrant, and then they're gone and another time restaurant comes in and they're gone in. And they all make the same stakes. And I can't explain one. Yeah. Because it looks like all the same. It's the same all team follies are occurring with the red hydrogen right now the case in point the very top portion of the review, by the way. Everybody pocket dot com slash red hydrogen one review red hydrogen one review each word has hyphen by the way. So like segment that was so head over to that review and the one of the top portions of it not only about the buying experience. Because read do not provide this unit yet to buy it is the whole modulate e portion they're supposed to be a camera module a battery module to cinema module. None of those route yet, it's it's it's the it's the motives will. Then again, motos e it had modules available at launch. This doesn't even have that. And more over to the point. We'll talk about the story little bit later that the titanium versions of this phone or completely flubbed up. Not even a not even made available at the way that they wanted it to be. And you know, there's really go over to the go go over to the review like there's there's a lot. To unpack here. Hi may. I think you need a minute. But are you back yen? I'm back. Sorry about that. And said, no like Adam had a horrible experience starting with the buying process. Like heap will preordered he got building mmediately and then get a phone for full year. No emails. No apologies. No nothing to start with that. And I think. Ause is Josh posture is he gone. Is just so flabbergasted by that. Processing. I know that's rough man that's rough like nation not charge until it's shipped and know that and that's the first thing, and then Adam compares it to like the Nokia what the end nine hundred it is from like five year at the end eight how old is that phone jewels. Is that two thousand nine or something like that two thousand ten doesn't tend to doesn't eleven I have one somewhere again, my friends stole it. So you're. I had one exactly. And so like, it's literally it's like if the it's like of the razor phone that. I have right here. Schick razor phone that. I have right here and the Moto something had a baby. I don't think I've ever held the phone. That's heavier than that one. I have never heard held the phone. That's heavier than the that that read hydrogen one how much the way it. I don't know grams. It is Horan Disley heavy. How many outs is that? It's really bad and can somebody ping. Josh. I think he doesn't know that he's frozen. I don't think he doesn't notice goes. Yeah. He's long gone. Adam seven ounces. Holy crap. That's dude that's more than half a pound. That is heavy the and so you'll you'll say like, yeah. No. But the ipad ways when pound yes. But the ipad is this big. And so the weight distribution is far better on the ipad. Then on that chunky. Unlike it's funny when when Adam reached out, and he's like, dude, do you wanna do you want me to send you my unit because he bought the phone? Do you want me to send you my unit for review, and I was like no I don't after after holding it with with Michael after seeing that holographic photography. I am like all right. This phone is delay. Like, I'm sure that there will be fans from read that will bite and those same fans from red will not be I don't think they'll be stupid enough to keep it. See? I was also asked by Brandon if I wanted to take a look at it. And yeah, I reaction was like doesn't have. Amazing camera because otherwise. Nope. Like, it's a gimmick. If it doesn't have a great camera. Yeah. And that's that's all it is and for reference, this is seven and a half ounce -is. And this is heavy. This is heavy distribution is everything if you're gonna make a phone you can't make a phone that heavy because again, it just it'll give you your it'll give you pinky strain likes. Whenever you're holding the phone to type it will give you pinky strain. It's too heavy. Maybe you need to do pinky workouts. Good point good point. Sorry, guys. My wife, I decided to reset itself or whatever. Okay. Can relate. Exactly, okay. So it almost seems like everybody has these problems with the phone even the people who are trying to sell the dang thing because Verizon have gone ahead and quarantine to their units the day before the sale was meant to happen. So there's just there's still there's there are people who are saying that the phone is just going to be sold at a later dates, but they're being held people who went to Verizon wanted to get their phones they weren't able to. And it's just it just seems to me like this entire thing is there's any company that has the resources to be able to make this this phone come to market, it should be read. But look at all these problems that are happening right now. So are we going to call this a delay? Like is this going to be is this considered a delay? Or can this be Saudi? I'm calling. I'm calling. I'm not sure that there are fans out there. It's just here's the thing. Let me just put it to you this way. A lot of people are like, yes. But the modules that are coming. I'm like all right guys. If. Roger Larry ever worked it out of it. But it's not just that if the phone can't even handle, Android. Well, if it can't even handle its own operating system. Well, how are we expecting it to be any greater with with added complexity? Yeah. Like, it's it's still it's delay. You've heard it here, folks. If you build a phone, and you're you're like, hey, we've also got these attachments that you can put on it'll make an even better. If it's not good enough without attachments. It's delay. Like like, I don't want to carry around attachments for my phone because even an I'm not going even the specific use case scenarios for a phone like the hydrogen one don't seem like they're Nuff for people who own red cameras like could you see 'em b HD actually buying this phone just to use it as a second monitor. No. I think you would use it as a phone. I if there's just no point. I mean, if that phone were two hundred bucks, I wouldn't buy it. It's all put it to you that way that phone is so bad if it were worth two hundred bucks, I wouldn't buy it like in let alone of its twelve hundred dollars, and I could get so much. I could get a far better experience. Not even a far better. I can get V experience that a smartphone is meant to do with the woman sixty I would not even like again, I this is one of those. Views that I was like not interested. No, thank you. Whenever you got like whenever you've got generation for you guys. Let me know. But this phone is like, wow, it's just all it took was five minutes with the phone to realize my God, this is a very it. Feels like an early alpha. Not even a beta of a product. Yeah. So the just to make sure we cover our stories here apparently the first production run of the titanium version is literally just not gonna ship. That's that's that's it's just they just said, no, I'm sorry. Like. The that's if if something went wrong with the manufacturing process. That's a very expensive mistake because titanium is very expensive. Yeah. He acknowledges the CEO. Jim Janner says that those who paid more than sixteen hundred dollars to reserve the titanium edition of the phone. They're probably pretty pissed off. And they're going to be waiting much longer than the fourteen months. They've already had to wait for the phone. Like, yeah. When the CEO is already saying guys we screwed up. I get your mad. But what can we do now? And then you've got all like, the image image processing improvements on the Snapdragon eight forty five which the eight thirty five doesn't have it. So like, you're using last year's camera technology, and so people are like, yes. But the modules I'm like guys, can we just let's let's accept one fact this is a phone. Phone. Let's make shoulder. Let's make sure that it can be a phone. I that it's good enough on its own as a phone like if Jim John would have been like, yes. But it's got a red camera sensor. It's the first mobile red camera sensor on a phone, boom. I'm going to be like all right fine. I wanna see that that I won't way. The only way that even remarkably remotely number Merkley remotely moves. The Mark is if that's sensor is about the size of this camera home. Yeah. Yeah. It's just another camera phone I've been saying that forever. Like, I think that there are companies out there like gopro who already do great jobs with their sensors Hachem. We can't just like shave that off and put on the back of a phone read could have definitely read could have done something like that something radical like that. And I think Sony needs to start blurring the lines between it's you know, our x one hundred and it's phones. Yeah. I'm doing that. If they could put a one one in center on a phone three quarter inch half inch sensor in a we're we're right now we're talking about like eighth inch sensors. Yeah. And it's a tiny. So if you can start building out bigger since I would carry a thicker foam, I would carry a phone. That's twice you as the as the iphone ten if it had a bigger battery and a massive sensor, and I would I would be okay with just being an okay phone and a fantastic camera. Okay. Okay. With that. I'm really happy. You said that because I do want to I do want to just call out a couple of things going on in the live chat. Right. A few people are saying like, you know, you're seeing this about the red hydrogen one bites. What about the fact that, you know, you're just saying that the pixel three is so great when it has so many different problems. Well, this is the thing the red hydrogen one is failing on all fronts like we don't look past the problems of the pixel three XL the notch that display the software stuff like that. Yeah. Android p the way it is right now annoying to us away those gestures. I personally don't like them. At all. It is not the most optimized device out there. You can look at the oxygen OS software for that kind of optimisation. Yes. The problems with it. But here's a phone in the pixel three that actually gets it. Right. When it comes to a couple key things. And one of them is camera. If that was the case with the red hydrogen one, we would look past all of these problems. But it's not to doing that. It's not actually killing the camera game at in any way. I'm trying to understand the purpose of the phone. It's it's are you telling me that this phone has capability of placing a brain for a standard red which. Yes, the brain is twenty thousand dollars on its own. And so this phone will serve because it's it's a smartphone. It's it's smarter than a camera brain, technically think of it. If that is the purpose for it. And we're waiting on the sensor to attach which is what I've heard I've heard that they will there will be a red sensor that will attach the phone. The question is then does the purpose of the phone mean that it's going to become the brain. If that's it. And they just have. Explain it. Well. Or they have. And I just hadn't I haven't been attention. Well, I just got I I. Like how much are all those modules gonna cost in. How is that going to be better than buying Sony? Seven three for eight hundred dollars of more. Yeah. That is the big question. Like, listen people. Go buy yourself, a one plus six by yourself a seven three and you've got to things that are really good on there. Yeah. That's what Taylor's right now. It looks. So damn good. I was supposed to use my Jj five right now with frigging. I dunno healthy. I'm better for next week. Or if I'm even here next week. So here's a question that I wanna post all of you like we have seen partnerships happen between companies camera companies phone companies that have actually yielded great results while in like, come to mind shouldn't have read just partnered with an established entity, and which is reds, which is read like like, you know, which is read, you know, I think the Motorola did it right with the whole concept of the hustled Lod Moto mod. But then they screwed up in the immplementation. So I think. Red should have just created a module that attach the certain smartphones partner with somebody but not try to make a phone. Yeah. Samsung, I know Samsung makes some cameras, but there that's not their forte. Samsung should make the phone and read should make the camera honestly, Google, Google should've just gotten read into like their fold because if there's one huge problem that I have a lot of trouble looking pass with a with the big three XL. It is the audio pickup of the video. The video is not bad. But the audio pickup is terrible. So if you were to enhance the video, and then make audio better, and then put red in there to like create codex for the video that make look amazing, blah, blah, that would have been awesome like that kind of thing. But there's a certain level of we got this. And clearly you don't so sorry read like at what point do our phones with all these Mods and attachments turned into like the blogger cameras. You know, I've been waiting for smartphones all the time and not one has actually proven to be the best four of logging at at in any case. I. The pixel three would be that phone because of the white angle front, but the, but there's no oil on it. So it's always still jittery and the audio pickups terrible. So like, I'm saying like the foam, you know, they're trying to push all these attachments, Mons and eventually which. That's but I'm saying like you're going to be holding a phone. It's got ta top and attachment on the bottom of the sides. And then, you know, just it's a Franken foam ergonomics aren't there? The quality of it's not there. It's a lot of ways to time in a lot of wasted money. Somebody should just spend the money on Aren D And just run the market with something that's half. Baked and missed you know, what read in your defense. We've got the Amazon fire phone. You're not the only company that has screwed up a phone really badly. So you got that. Yeah. But that was my question to Taylor earlier. Like there have been so many examples of these things going wrong and why why wouldn't they make it? So that they don't make. They don't make those mistakes. You know, I would've loved my beer situation. I would've loved the USB smartphone adapter. One thousand dollars USB smartphone adapter than you can snap to any Android phone in a way, you remember those Sony though Sony like attachments, experienced than just works -perienced. It had its own separate sensor its own zoom lens. And if it would have like the equivalent of ABC or microphone thirds sensor that you can attach to an existing smartphone. Read that should be your business. The phone. I would buy that. Someone on the chats had leatherman needs to make a phone. I. You know, I read I'll give you give you this much credit. I have I did not look at your phone. I I would have liked to. But it's not like, I even got contacted by you guys tax. You get a unit or anything like that? I will tell you this though, you are in shade your insi-. Well, I mean, I just wanted to say like, you know, I could look at your phone. It is actually going to come to market in one way or another at least you've done that. Whereas another company like touring never even got close to coming to market. So I'll give you that much credit. So. It funny to those Sony attachments. A few people were using them. I remember I went to a couple of trade shows where someone was using it to record their content for for for the shows. But not the kind of died than in there. So I mean, they were they were not half bad from what I recall. Yeah, they weren't. They were basically where we are now with smartphone cameras. Like, you know, they were head of their time in that sense. But they had to be this thick for that to happen. But now we have it given phones the may twenty prone whatnot. So it's good. Okay. So we've been able to cover all of that. I want to wrap this up in a couple. I just wanted to check in on everybody one last time. Tech Tober did not kill us. Then God from puck ellipse. We are definitely all really tired. I know myself behind behind on reviews like on my personal channel. But I have all of them to do. So. What's up next? What are we looking forward to for the rest of the year? It's the holiday season at this point. Is there anything coming up? I'm sorry. Sorry. I have I was interrupted for minute. Would I was I was checking what's coming up next like because? I have a table full of wimps sixty may twenty pro razor phone the pixel three these reviews, I haven't been able to complete man. Yeah. God it's been so crazy, then I had issues with my pixel the razor phone didn't have final software the mate book, the may twenty pro then have final software, and we're still waiting for the final build of work behind not intentionally. It's like, you know, it's it's the crazy amount of announcements. In addition to the fact that some of these phones were shipped complete as a problem. That's true. It's become a, and I and I know that there are public that already have the reviews out if they want to do it with pre-production software. That's great for them. We don't do that kind of stuff. We I would rather be late. Not get the views. But do the do the job. Right. That's just me. And that's just us. Oh, yeah. Definitely. And. Two two. All credit to any of those other publications. I have seen a number of different reviews. Say by the way, this is pre production will updated if anything crazy and how how is how is that a review? I agree. Wanna throw shade is all I'm saying, I'm not trying to throw shade. It's just it's just no. And by the way, this is not me throwing shaded other publications. It's the contrary. I mean, I know that all of us have a certain amount of pressure and their schedules are probably tighter than ours. Oh, and so it's like it's one of those things where it's like we need to get this review out because we've got so many more things to do, you know, a most of these are dealing with more things than just phones. It's just the problem is, you know, when I read the comments in. It's like like, for example, I didn't find X video recently. And everybody's like, yes. This review is Harley Laden. I'm like, what do you want me to do? They were only giving out China phones, they reached out to me offering China phone. What am I gonna do with China phone in the United States? Yeah. It's not gonna work. So I was like send me the phone where I can where working the United States, and I will definitely review it in it took that long. Yeah. By the way. By the way. That's the reason for a couple of people in the chat right now who asking me mixed threes that was the Chinese skew that I was using. There you go, you know. And so, and it's one of the reasons why didn't even review the me mixed to us. I did a hands on. But then they ended up sending me the final review unit will use software so late. It was it was not relevant anymore. I, you know, honestly, I was I was I was even considering not doing that fine dex review. If it wasn't because that phone was so cool, in my opinion. And so that's the thing. You know, some people are like we have a horrible schedule coming up. We've got more traveled to do the reviews are gonna come up with. They're gonna come up when we and you know, they're going to happen. But you know, we just we hate rushing stuff, man. But it just doesn't work that way. Yeah. And if you have these, and I don't know what any of them really are all hard. I know I know. Anybody have a preference on any of these. I don't know anything about him. I wanna see talks on the two honestly, this Android device. The me too. I would love your thoughts on that later on anything about it. But the highest profile thing right now in Taylor's camp would be the iphone ten are which she can look forward to that as well. And. Yeah, on that note look for to all of that. There's a lot coming up. You're basically going to see a review like every five days. The reviews are going to be coming out throughout November. There is some travel still coming up. I'm going to be taking a look at new opo device in the week. So like, I don't know if I'm going to be here on the podcast for next week. But we'll see what happens then. And then there's lots of coming up afterwards after all of that as well. So at the end of the line, of course, the ESO, hopefully, we're all gonna be together for that. I think registration's open right now. So that's something for us to do. But. Yeah. On that note, we're gonna call it on this one the tactic cool weekly. There you go Jo's put that into the script. The tech weekly is as much a conversation as is show. So make sure you make your voices for it. Either in the comments sections or by emailing us, the Email address his podcast at pocket now dot com on Twitter. Hi mate is found at high may underscore, Nevada. Remember that underscore Brandon is random mini men and Taylor is at casper tech. That's t k at the end. I can of course, be found at JV tech T. And you know, me, I'm JV I love love to drink tea coffee. This morning, though, still recovering from. 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Ep.362  CYBERTRUCK Roadtrip ft. Chris Davies

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Ep.362 CYBERTRUCK Roadtrip ft. Chris Davies

"Sira Thanksgiving and welcome to the cyber family table here. have some cyber mashed potatoes cyber gravy. A heaping helping of your favorite cyber drunk Turkey and this is a really bad gag. Sorry and welcome to the entry. Please podcast it. It's Wednesday November. Twenty seven. Welcome welcome. I'm David Riddick joining me is the little liverpudlian. Yes that is the demo. I didn't know that was a word that could he's longtime executive editor running slash Ashgar It's Chris Davies I. I was laughing at the cyber truck. Joe I was. I didn't know actually that you appeared on podcasts. Excite wasn't aware you like showed up on Webcams I have to construct. An elaborate face made out of old meets so Thanksgiving Week is perfect this because obviously I've been trying to affect my Turkey recipes so I use some of the leftover white meat from my from my face so convincing facsimile much much though people haven't seen me in real life so anyway sorry. Sorry David no you will be apologizing the whole show. I'm sure justice this get get them out. Thank you for joining US Chris Honestly I wasn't. I didn't think you would say yes but You know we'll see what what where this train wreck leads us Well this only this nation. Yes sorry this this week. Let's start with The Galaxy S. Eleven Because there's there's been this is our first. I think big substantial you know dripping hunk of news that we've had about this phone and and we've got just a whole pile of renders out there and I mean my my first reaction was well it. It looks like a Samsung phone. I couldn't tell you much more I yeah. I mean progressively throughout the the rectangle on the phones is just going to grow until it covers the whole back of a phone one and then we'll have so many cameras and most base for battery so I'm all for it. I've just decided I'm I'm done with that. Yeah the camera module really especially in the US eleven plus. I don't understand Dan why they've gone all Picasso on that one in particular the other ones it seems like lined up normally when you're taking photos of children and animals. They'll ropy distracted by the unusual arrangement of lenses and stare at the camera. That's literally only reason I can think of. I can't think of another good one either So it looks like the The S S Levin plus both have like five imaging centers on the back. So we have to figure out what all of those are her. I guess I I'm not really sure I I'm guessing that will be a very large resolution camera to take very long. Resolution focuses uses of your loved ones and then some optical zoom so that you can take a look of a distance and then a wide angle on in case you have a large family and then maybe a macro on in case their skin is good and you wanna get ready close to them and then the camera will probably be ultraviolet it so that you can see what their expression actually is. Yes and for the ultra wide is. We thought you were going to say if you had a very horrifying family I think it just to Max Weinberg in the chat points out that He believes that the reason the S. eleven pluses all one can do on the camera. Module is because of the one hundred eight megapixel sensor on there so they had to rearrange its face basically seems like a very reasonable explanations theme. Oh than than ause which is stub. Think I'm here I mean yeah that make sense. There is only so much that you can do with cameras is is in. Physics insists on having its way as widely Kotei discovered good. So yeah I mean you know of course works for something mobile so yeah I mean that that makes perfect sense Max. Thanks for derailing this with logic. Yes Max is The resident Samsung expert of the English. Speaking Internet I think it's safe to say so. He says that you will have a one hundred eight megapixel primary camera on the plus a ten x telephoto in ultra-wide and the time of Flight Camera. So that is that is four. I think there should be another one in there and the ultra-wide me now. Maybe maybe okay there should should be another one in there. There are five but I guess it's fair to say that Samsung is finally like going back to a focus on cameras which I feel like they've kind of missed out on the last couple of years a little bit. What you think? That's fair to say I think so. I mean I think they were doing very well for a while and then they kind of coasted slightly. But I think it's interesting that we've gone back to. Let's throw lots and lots of different senses. On rather than let's do computational things which kind of feels like. That's being this year's excitement. You know who who who can do. The most interesting computational stuff who can make my photos look better by putting a dedicated on. I love the look of since gone and dismay on your face. I'm just thinking the way I'm thinking about the way Samsung's cameras make things look and that's what's leading to the scorn dismay If you have a brand they do and it's bright and bold and yeah I'm on some people left us. It's basically the opposite of me. Me As a person which is why I think it find it so revolting save revolting there okay. Yep Wow because you'll delightful so I guess the opposite would be revolting Bolton M yeah it gives my skin tone like an actual woman to it which is kind of Nice makes it look like I haven't just been dug up from somewhere. So yeah I I mean there must be people who at least within some Sung Otherwise like they wouldn't do it. Yes so what I what I've heard about this and I think we've talked about this on the show show before as I was at Google flaunt for the pixel four and was talking to some people with some of Google's camera team and what they were saying was that we know these manufacturers Samsung Wallpa- other manufacturers like LG manufactures predominantly from Asia tend to make their cameras a certain way in terms of how voters process because people in their home markets. Expect the photos to come out in that way. It's what they want whereas when they look at how I'll say Google Pixel or an iphone. Does it. They're like no. That's that's it's too harsh. It's a little too. It's a little too unforgiving It doesn't isn't really pop and feel like super contrast to you the way that everybody in these apps like on social media and our countries are modifying their photos to look more like. That's why we changed our cameras to put out photos that look that way as soon as you take them. Do you think that that has some connection to the I feel like beauty modes in those markets worries. He may be they. Okay all less prevalent perhaps Yeah definitely I mean. Google camera finally does have one added it last year. But it's you know it's it's a thing that's obviously growing in the US so it's it seems like maybe we'll eventually will kind of converge on a happy middle ground. I think like the live filters in like the most most phones now like take care of most of that yes I feel like everyone else has been using them and I left out. And that's why I look terrible info table. There's with people and everyone else looks gainful maybe i. I don't know that I can never imagine being the kind of person who likes the way they look in the photo. I'm horrified by every picture of me. Yes well I'm being polite David today so I'm not gonNA go any further. Tom Dot wine. Yeah no that's I think you're right that the certain type of person who loves seeing photos of themselves and ohearing themselves on podcasts. For instance so yeah. Yeah so when one thing I want to talk about before we move onto so you guys. It's going to be a slow news day on the PODCAST and we had Chris on to talk about things that you may totally to not of. But I don't care because I wanNA talk about them But before we end the conversation on the S. Eleven Christie. Think like there is you know any kind of I. I look at the design and I'm like well that looks like every Samsung phone in the the last three years. I think that hurts them or helps them. Do you think it's the brand recognition outweighs the kind of very extremely iterative design language. I feel like the dead kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place in the sentence because the friends of the phone now is just screen. The back is predominantly movie camera Otherwise flat glass. Because that's what you need for wireless charging I feel like there is a limit to what they can do And so may be makes most sense this within two to tap into something which is at least vaguely recognisable for people who recognized Samsung out in the wild because otherwise particularly quake point. Yeah that's true. I mean they're Zayn languages just so samy that I personally like I cannot. It's gotten to the iphone level where I cannot be sure which Samsung phone. I'm looking at unless I get really close to it and honestly sometimes I have to think is that the S. six or the seven. I can't remember what makes them different. Men's so slow to stagger that design language forward. But I guess there's also the fact that most people put their phones in cases so you never see what it looks like like anyway. This is true. I don't use cases to believe in cases like a philosophical like a religious life belief. It is yes I also don't wear shoes. I refuse to wear hats when it's raining And in fact the only sleeves that I wear those like Chris leaves that you pull when you are driving so that when you have your elbow on the window. They don't get some time man of many many any beliefs so now we're going to do a shameless segue into what we know we are here to talk about You know the my Hyundai APP and this will be a very short segway. I promise because the Mayan is one of the least interesting things we could possibly talk about. just got a major redesign which I'm sir everybody at Hyundai Including including Robert Sky or very excited about but The ANDROID APP also now supports Pixel for face unlock rob friend of the show. Even though he probably doesn't listen to it so you know we're we're seeing a lot of these APPs with vehicles. Now that allow you to do a lot of the remote stuff I feel like Hyundai was pretty early to the game for this Don't especially especially like being a budget brand like. This was fairly big deal for them when Blue Blue Link rolled out so it now works with the Pixel four face unlock. So I think think that's where we're going to segue and I wanna you know maybe talk a little bit about like smartphones in cars and then eventually just cars because that will keep my attention better So Chris like serving landscape cars. Obviously I think Tesla's APP is probably the most powerful one great now I think so. Yeah they definitely have invested obviously not so the digital I digital I could be derailed myself. Wow they've they've definitely invested out digital I. I don't even have anything after that. You're not even wearing a dress shirt. I don't think you're allowed to say digital I. Ah I can just clip onto my ear lobe. No they have. They put a lot of money into the driver's off our tax V and they expect back to that kind of thing from the phones. But I think it's definitely something we have seen other role to make his Weighing into mall and I think even more importantly doing it in a way that doesn't demand buck an extra monthly subscription or something. Yeah that's that's the thing with a lot of these. I've I've seen you know I know mercedes-benz for awhile hat. Do they still have the subscription over Mercedes like I do they said there was Mercedes may which does have different subscription components to some of the things difference. Usually you can unlock the car. Check stays at the windows with its Be Remote start that kind of thing from the and then if you want some of the more advanced stuff then typically you have to pay for that. Yeah so one of the more exciting ones. I think I've seen so far. I haven't driven you know any polls stars vehicles yet but it looks like the Pollstar to is going to have fairly impressive one they seem to be targeting Tesla Tesla pretty directly with their experience and it will be free. It sounds like yes. I think this is partly because the the hundred automotive retirement system which I I know you've played with I don't know what you feel about that time. I was kind of impressed by that. I think I think it seems like next Tesla the the most advanced implementation we've seen I think think Tesla's Tesla's still wins for slickness. There's no denying that the look of their interfaces. There's there's a clear focus vision there. They wanted to look at very particular killer way. I think with what you've seen. Based on android automotive so far is a more generic Very modular kind of looking platform. I feel feel like it's not it's not super slick not saying it has to be and in the world of CARB implement U.. Is like it's still light years ahead of so many of them right now. But so what brands do we know if being on board so far. I know we've got a Volvo and pulsar. Audi I think has committed to to teasing under those motive. I think interesting identity. How much of the the alley also showed news the UCLA from last week one of the features that they've just announced that rap is is the ability to temporarily enable some of the using the APP? Temporal Abelson the features in the car Whether that's a more advance to have crews or would affect different things neither do that pay paying the subscription ongoing. If you just want to for a month you can just turn it on through the APP. It's kind of an interesting. Yeah I'm not saying I necessarily expected from Saudi to be honest with you. micro transactions but for cars. Yeah I think it's a I think they would probably Roth's think about it as a way to upsell you after you've left the daily but yet just and I think that's. That's really interesting the times when you know maybe you want something Cadillac Super Cruise. You know if you're doing a long journey and you don't want to have to have hands on the steering wheel do you want to pay the upfront cross cost for that now. We all the time when you're not necessarily going to use it Yeah yeah definitely. I think that gets into the topic of you know where a lot of automakers are going which is cars as a service which I think is definitely like the biggest shift. We're seeing in the business right now. Do you feel like that's kind of the inevitable direction or do you think that's kind of something there. It's just an experiment. I mean I think that there are always going to be people who need tono feel. They need to own a car without because of where they live because they like his Akilah vehicle they have six children or something foolishly am but but I think that there's also big cohort of people who live in cities may be all who live in multiple places but the time between different cities different locations. Who may be? We want the flexibility of having a choice of different vehicles or having a vehicle sometimes pull not having to think about. Where am I going to get most of the time and so I think yeah the the there are plenty of interesting moguls? I don't think it's necessarily replace the kind of the traditional coaches elise plum but I think some of the costs subscription services that we've seen a very interesting because I'm contractually obligated to bring it back to phones occasionally. I think this does mirror a little bit of what we see with smartphones. Apple's had a lot of success I think with the IPHONE upgrade program and T. mobile and others have had similar programs where essentially you don't you never really own the phone a meaningful sense. You just kind of trade back in when you want a new one. which is I think you know? Somewhere to leasing. But funds are more service at oriented to begin with so it's kind of a fascinating parallel to see. I think the auto industry probably drawing upon on some of these ideas. They've seen come from technology more than you know. We're already part of the existing automotive business. Absolutely I think what's particularly interesting is not note tool to make a kind of doing the same way. So you've got some of the most luxury brands like Porsche. A CADILLAC had assist scheme scheme for wild What you could basically you pay a monthly subscription and then you get to choose from a long list of of different bottles if you want to change every week you can change that? Every week someone wearing white gloves comes in takes away your old dirty carbon brings you a brand new them and then you have someone like Volvo which by Volvo which which is kind of more of a traditional phone selective upgrade very much like the front program You sign up. He said you want this particular call. You pay a single monthly fee. Okay which includes the car in the servicing everything apart from gas basically and then after twelve months. If you want a different call you can have that one back and get a different well-known A two year agreement. I think that's really you know it's interesting but at the same time. Not everyone wants that said. The postal woman is just about to stop production shipping mid with you. Next year they originally the plan for that was going to be that it would be a subscription only scheme and then they hit the feedback people. Actually they wanted to own it. They didn't WANNA give it back so the not I'm not doing a subscription and it's just going to two hundred and fifty five thousand dollars X.. Volvo concept hybrid yeah. I really want to drive that Jp We we can get tried to tell me I would be able to drive it so I'm like fingers crossed over here for a loner once everybody else's done with them because it seems it seems very exciting. It's a really interesting interesting cough. I mean I think. Electric occasion is the future But I think there is. The future doesn't kind of arrive in one big lump it kind of trickles goes in like your wet yourself on a plane and so I think the idea of a performance hybrid. That has maybe some of the better qualities of luxury carbon than also that sort of the reassurance when it comes to things range of of gas engine I think there's a lot of there's a lot of scope to to kind of tape. BATOUTY's we move into our old electric he long musk's future. Yeah and I guess that kind of gets to the broader discussion. You know so again. I must. I'm forced to bring it back the smartphones smartphones. Were like this crazy transformative word of moment for personal technology. I've said this on the show multiple times before that really like I think to me like smartphones that moment when smartphones went mainstream that was like the model t that was a just totally changed the way everybody did everything in the way they interacted with technology and the parts of their lives they will take with them everywhere that was it was really it really really. I can't imagine living without a smartphone anymore and I think that's true of the vast majority of people now living without a smartphone would be difficult and annoying and you in many ways it would also to be healthier but none of us would ever want to go back. I don't know I mean I. I hate what you say about the health side. I don't know I feel like the research thing thing is too much of something absolutely but I feel like the upsides of what we can access to a smartphone. What we have with us and what you can do with it? I feel like you know with temperance. Great responsibility I feel like the benefits outweigh the costs. Yeah I've full disclosure. I just felt like I needed needed to give that argument some oxygen. I don't actually believe it. I know you've never believed anything you've said in public so no never not a single word of it but I feel like they were actually approaching. We already had one of those moments with with personal transportation with Carson. I feel like we are sloops. Cars move slowly. I mean it's not in the actual literal sense but now some of them do move slow at times but I think that we're like like coming up on this this moment where we're going to watch. There's basically going to be a tipping point and were it. Seems like we're getting there like quicker than I think most people would have expected. Initially Tesla's really been kind of the the engine behind that transformation. I don't think there's anybody that would argue. Even if they are protests anti Tesla or apathetic Tesla that Tesla has been the single biggest transformative force in the industry in terms of like POW every other automakers responding to electrification Asian do changes in vehicle design infotainment technology in general. And so you know. Obviously Tesla had its big unveil this past week and you were there right. I was not physically the now I know I sadly missed out on the fire and the the bladerunner theme and hitting hearing the glass shatter that would be the best part hearing the glass shattered. That was quite a moment which has been talked death on the Internet but it still seems perfect picked for Elon? Musk it seemed like truly the thing that should happen to him once. I can't remember how I saw a tweet about it but some saying well actually you know it's the Putts Elon Elon. Musk stood in front of a massively. Ahmed looking pickup truck with smashed windows sort of says it all about the future. This is this is the vehicle to Hustle your children into into you know and then behind medically sealed inside and and hope that the the have nots will not be able to batter their way through because they haven't hit the Dole with a hammer thirst for doing the window test. Yes you have to win their tests. I always windows has so if I were to draw parallel to phones I mean the Motorola Razor is a form form factor exploration. I talked about this with Michael Fisher on the show Last week I guess and you know we talked about like why people would want this. What would be polarizing polarizing about it? What would be the drawbacks? And obviously the cyber truck is actually a pretty good analog for that because there is so much about it that immediately screams. There are a lot of reasons. You shouldn't want to touch this thing with a ten foot pole and yet there has been such a dramatic response from the other side. Who seemed to be embracing the contrarian awesome of this vehicle? I would say this is a trillion vehicle. It is very much you know you either love it or he really really don't love it and I mean I must let me know I'd I'd I think the styling is really. It's done the eyecatching. I think that the video of the tug of war with the F.. Fifty I think less interesting was the kind whoever won the tug of war. Whatever reasons that might be behind that intensive physics but I think more interesting was just that difference in styles? It looks like they rendered the the the right of the screen weather truck as and on the F.. One fifty is such a familiar sight. Because you know it looks like so many trucks on the road because fold obviously nobody sells a absolute metric of them so I mean lots of them on the road. It's very hard to imagine. A Tesla cyber truck just pulling past you Yeah and I I know I'm I'm personally on the side of the fence that believes these cyber trek will not quite look as it does brighten. Now I'll absolutely not I mean it's that there are so many things about it wichita which ought not at all production ready with it doesn't have side mirrors in US regulations. Say That at the moment you must have a glass side mirror. which is what's holding off Audi and others who would like to cameras on the side instead of them? I cannot imagine that he will remind it gets in the market without bumpers of some sorts. I want to be the pedestrian industry. And who is responsible testing the safety crumple zones of incredibly strong stainless steel. You know that's the reports of college as opposed to break Kim when you crash because the car is sacrificial you the nuns you have inside knocked so yeah I mean I'm I'm very definitely we've seen the concept on. Lots of people have put look down one hundred dollars that they could get back to help fund production of local wine. And I'm very much looking forward to seeing Side by side talk about that turns out because no it will not look exactly like what we have seen. No almo- almost certainly not granted that won't stop deep brand from selling skins for it already Yeah good for them. You know I mean I think that speaks you know. That's that's kind of speaks to the expectations that concepts can can set set for people and I feel like obviously there are people out there right now who look at this truck and have decided that. Oh this is what it's going to look like. There is a lot of confusion Asian about that because Tesla was not open about the fact that it is a concept. I mean anybody who works in the industry knows looking at that. That's obviously a concept vehicle doesn't meet lighting eating standards visibility standards like could never sell it in Europe because like that thing has more sharp edges than like a pile of knives. But it's there are so many things about would have to change but I feel like a huge part of the Internet his latched on to the various specific ecstatic Elon. Musk who I think it's fair to say ee. Lon on musk is the person behind much of this design. It feels very personal to him. Yeah everything I've heard from people talking whether whether that's within several kinds of people who know people have it's this is definitely this is what e- wanted the truck to look and go you make this happen and I. I think it's interesting because in previous years we've seen previous Tesla caused has been just as most of Musk Fanta for the model for the model three blacks rex but all of those caused kind of has we sold them for the first time would come fairly close to what the production car and looking like. Yeah and I I think in in a sense you know we tesla has set this up to expect that that they don't really do prototype so concept cars so much they just kind of say look we have made this incredible things thing and he will want it because it does electric and and I wonder whether that has played some role there in Maine people thinking hang on. I'm GonNa get this incredible wedge. I think you're absolutely right about that. The Tesla has set that expectation but Tesla's designs have also I wouldn't say Tesla's cars are ugly but they are very generic in a way. The lions aliens are very simple There are lots of very gentle swoops. You know nothing too dramatic or edgy. I think they they play a lot with Tessa supplied with shape. I think more than a lot of automakers do you get the sense that Tesla could be shrunken down to like something the size of the toy and you could feel the shape of that a car in your hand in a way that would feel like a like a polished rock. Almost you know. They're very smooth cars because the loco fishing of drag. They've gone for oftentimes absolutely. Yeah on the Some things that make a lot of sense if you're making electric car particular. which is that you want it to be slippery through the one of the things that surprises me? Kind of the model three is how I always think it looks better in chunks raw as a whole if you catch size of one kind of between the causing traffic just see like the the side mirror brace bracket is really quite beautiful innocence. Some which are quite elegant. You know there are some angles on it. Whichever sweeping flooding and then we put it all together? It's like yeah yeah I think yeah it feels like actually we're going to go off on a tangent about this. When I look at the model three I always see two different cars? There's the rear quarter view. You which I think is great. There's the front quarter view which I think is well. I not as much of a fan playing aero-dynamics more on the front. I feel like in the back doc. I feel like they had A. They have actually a pretty unique. Look in the rear of that car in the front it is kind of a blob. Unfortunately d think that they went. He went extreme with the cyber truck because some of the feedback to the model. Why was that? It was just a slightly inflated mogul through your I don't know I mean it's I I feel like this probably the cyber truck design has been sketched on a Napkin for some years now. I don't know that it's a response in the model y which admittedly has been it quite harsh. I don't think that ugly. I don't know how long I would say that. That's that design has actually been finalized but he had. Yeah Yeah No I. I don't think otherwise ugly but I think it is very clear what it is related to Moso when you went from s two X. Yeah yeah which we know I. I called the Model X.. When it came out the machine that births model S.'s it's like the mother wail centuries? Yes it does look like it just opens up a Model S.. Comes out of the back of it. So what do we talk about concepts you know. This is something that we used to see Ed more with smartphones. We used to see companies. Bring us you know like new ideas that were a little crazy in a little on the edge and going back to the razor. I feel like that was actually the one where we did get a little. Bit of a preview It was three years ago. Three and a half years ago. Now when the When the first motos e dropped rice yes so so in San Francisco you know Lenovo had that event and you could go to this little blinova? RND talk that. They had right there and they had you know the head of their R D operation showing off like three different foldable prototypes. They had and one of them was a tablet. One of them was a tablets phone so it folded out to tablet folded up to become a phone. They were all functional They all look kind of Janke but they worked they were you know they were real and so I feel like what we ended up with the irony. You know with a razor which I think it's fair to say has received substantially more praise for its design than the galaxy fold has We ended up going very backwards with that. I don't think at the time you know. Many people were convinced that direction we're vocals were GONNA go toward this admittedly quite retro design language which I think is is pretty interesting components of the two I would much rather have a razer foam factor than a fold phone factor. I think the idea of having a big screen on a smartphone is something that people used to now and I would not like to give up but I also feel feel like carrying a big screen device is annoying sometimes On I think it would be more knowing if I was if I will women's men's clothes and had no pockets to carry a bag around with me incredibly annoying and so the idea of having something which is I've never really felt like. Oh I need something about about the size of an Ipod mini to carry around with me and I'm just folded up into a chunky phone. This goes into my pocket but I have thoughts about. This phone is big. You know I'm just GONNA hold its. It's all going to put it in my pocket with my keys. Yeah that's that's kind of where I fall on that spectrum but I know that other people feel differently there are a diversity of opinions opinions out there on it. I will say I think that the Motorola version for the reasons you cite has much more of a mainstream appeal. I think it's much easier to sell people that idea and say well now. Your phone is huge and it doesn't fit anywhere and you're constantly dropping it. Well what if we just made it so it folds up and so when you drop it basically as a case on it already and you don't have to worry about scratching it up. which all of STU if you keep your gene if you keep your phone excuse me if you keep your gene in your phone if keep your phone in your jeans you know that little that little change POCKET DOC at Rivet Hits it every time you pull the phone out. It's just the worst so I did find the price we pay for keeping a dime on us all the time. Yes it is I I just I find it. I find it curious that you know this. Radical form factor update for phones. You know the the direction that seems to be both practical bill so far. Is You know one we already explored. I'm not sure where I was taking that in larger discussion about design and concept cars. But I think that the razor blade the angle with no. I'm sure there was an angle. was that sometimes. You know the extreme concepts concepts that we say as valid in the long term perhaps as some of the maybe more mainstream ones which actually turned out to be deceptive in this implicitly. I couldn't couldn't have said it better myself. That actually couldn't say again. I've been yeah so I think that well. Let's let's talk about the future of phone. So I talked about this with with Michael Fisher Fisher last week and brought to the razor. We are of differing points of view on this in terms of what the future holds to me. I as much as I see some of the ball drawbacks of the big flat screen. That foldable like the razor solves. I also see the compromises that design introduces especially for the time being because plastic plastic and all of that kind of stuff you know just general reliability. You know how you have to design something folding moving components in everything even if all of that were solved loved I still feel like probably. These phones will remain expensive and at least considerably more expensive than our regular old bricks and that to me on on the conceptual level there's nothing that seems totally broken about the brick that needs to be revolutionised or am. I just not being being forward thinking enough. I think you're being realistic. which is important you know? And I think you're right that this is not going to be a mainstream foam factor anytime soon if a toll but I I mean I feel like if you go back to the first few generations of galaxy note and not size of scream and then you go back before that look at something like the Dell streak which I can still remember the vote missile donations by besides. Yeah I know and it was like it was back can win. The first ipod was coming out with news. This kind of like well this is. What is it what you know? Is it a fun as the tablets. at what is this the future and in a way it kind of did turn out to be the future because big screens have become ubiquitous. Now I don't know I feel like the there is a we have reached a kind of limit. The moment were in screen size. You can't go that much bigger because while I it's like wheels. Yes absolutely lupe because you know practically than used to you stop to lose things in return for the benefit of having more screen real estate and I feel like the the raw always going to be people who want a bigger screen and so a foldable device will cater to those people. But I don't think I I agree with that. I don't think this is going to be the future of phones. Yeah so I I. I drew an analogy when talking about this with Michael last week that I was a car analogy so I think it works and I I asked him. Do you think I think in the future you know because smartphones we've reached saturation the markets massive. There are just so many handsets shipped every year and manufacturers are struggling more and more to differentiate they're coming me more and more expensive but there's clearly a market of people who are willing to pay an obscene amount of money for a phone. You know people are buying the iphone. Eleven pro Max It's I'm sure it's selling very well so clearly. You know whether or not that's for reasons that are practical as much as well as the new iphone and I must have the new iphone but I thank you know the way I looked at the razor was say you know if this phone sounds like this will cost twelve hundred fifteen hundred dollars for the perceivable future or more but it becomes a little easier to produce them they become more reliable most of the kind of basic limitations behind them. Dissolve into the background. where it's like? Well you aren't giving up much. You just have to pay for it. Do you feel like there could be a category of essentially like I would tell them the sports cars of phones these exotic devices where you can support a business business can act as a halo product from the rest of your portfolio and maybe they don't make a ton of money but you know they're really what gets people in the door what people associate associate the brand with versus trying to make something like the razor mainstream. Yeah I would like to think that there would be a room. Always something exciting different even very you know one should by a first generation Motorola razor just seems like a given an probably no one should buy a second generation But I'm very glad that there are people out there who are buying them and Tina who have kind of disposable income to spend on something which is pop useful and partly just for the I love the attack and I think the sports car analogy is on the record. We're going to be people who is GonNa be a always a massive audience of people who need something reliable on who go down and buy A Chevy Malibu reliable anyway who who got a Toyota Camry which is a very solid gray recall does everything he would want it to But probably isn't going to get your heart rate going. You know. It isn't going to be something that you'd be like. Oh we must outside to the parking garage and see my Toyota Camry which is a shame maybe book more camry fetishists. But that's a that's Oh yeah the community I want to get into a niche within a niche. I think yeah there is. There is always going to be in caused this kind of group of people who want to have something which very few other people have and I think that's part of the appeal. I think if ironically if photos became mainstream would be a group of people who'd be like. Oh well I didn't want mainstream anymore. All I want whatever is next so there's always going to be like this cohort of people who a willing to pay more for something that very fewer people are. Yeah absolutely and I just wonder you know now that we've we've watched the market for smartphones really mature. You know the part of the appeal of upgrading. Your smartphone and has been in the last decade. There has been some pretty substantial improvements that have come a long. You know we've a lot of them are iterative but if you go back to an iphone four even I and compare the camera and the battery life and what the screen looks like. And all of that. You'd be like Oh this is actually garbage Guess cars move into. We thought it was great. Yes we did we I mean. The design was revolutionary. It was like totally like no other phone. It looked before which was cool but with cars you know the product cycles so slow hello and also the car itself has honestly changed very little in the last probably twenty five thirty years I feel like especially we started. Slow down outside of like the very exotic stuff where you know. Some exciting things are happening but for being a regular ordinary cars things haven't changed and so as the smartphone like really stabilizes realizes and just basically becomes a commodity I do wonder if we'll eventually see more investment income by companies into these halo style products in a way they were. They probably wouldn't have justified it before because it would be too risky. It would be too much of a diversion of business resources whereas today will you can say Samsung wants. Make the Galaxy S. eleven. Do we need to put all you know how many how many of our engineering resources realistically do. We need to put into this device to make sure I heard that it's competitive with everything else that comes out next year. And how much do we have left over for the really radical ideas. You know the things where we're spending a lot of money we're probably not making much and end you know we're making we're taking risks and I think that we haven't you know the phone hasn't become mature enough yet. I think we're just on the cusp of that. Perhaps I think there's something about you can either take a risk. Because he wants to make something that is punishable new for its own sake or you can see his well. Let's rinse those very early adopters to get them to foot. The bill full developments. That are GONNA filter down. I think we do you know. I think he actually the car industry is a good example about you look at some like Bhagat Safe Winstons owned by VW group. You know very few people are GonNa go out and buy it three and a half million dollars. Pathetic Sharon sadly cough. Aw but you know some of the things that The GOTTI has done in undeveloped that and has been able to to do that that they are very upset about you know that they can do only because they have these incredibly well-heeled customers those things do gradually filter on down through the whether it's a engine timing stuff different systems. Put the TAB. The Tab charges are managed that kind of thing things filter down from those incredibly expensive. 'cause into overtime you know the Audis and the porsches is on the VW goat isn't say whatever the a within the group so I kind of wonder whether policy issues that we don't have any of these big phone groups. Thanks for instance I guess the closest you get maybe would be like while away on you know where you have different tiers of of provider that there isn't really this kind of there is no you gotta of Afon Bruns. That is part of an overall group rarely can then filter down technology without diluting. The GATTY is doing obviously. It's kind it's always been a race to the bottom and electron ix. So you have to. You have to put the most with the least and that's always been the model but I I just I do wonder you know we. We've seen that happen a little bit with gaming. PC's gaming PC's have once again become quite expensive. If you really want to go all out you know we do see companies like Intel L. and amd bidding out products that are clearly all margin At the very top of their portfolios to people who are willing to pay and it's just about a willingness is to pay it's not about the practical benefit of the product necessarily. It's like I want to have the biggest fastest thing. Yes yeah no one needs to go not sixty in two point. Four seconds seconds as opposed to two point six seconds is being able to say to someone. Mine we'll do two point four seconds you know is the Type of person Not An unusual usual type of person. Who enjoys that kind of this kind of bragging rights thing about which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing? Yeah I mean it's it's a reality that keeps that market it alive which I'm very much in favor of Yeah no I will always be in favor of the. The Wang waving keeps sports car alive. I think that's a that's a reality. We must live with yes. I cleared having nice things and we like things so way. Fo- spanks thanks quote. Chris Davies wave those wings. And I know but it's a good one for the show. I think we we've met bar. I forget where I wanted to go after this the wing waving is totally totally thrown. Me Off here let's Let's take a minute to thank our sponsor ourselves The android please podcast live on twitch. Four Times a week You can catch us on Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays. Doing a podcast. On on Tuesdays we have to queue in Asia with cody and Orbin. We can't do it without your support. The best way to do that. 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It's you know it's something that is very easy to tap into and and I think it's also unfortunately one of those caused. That looks much better in person. The pictures come. Because I know that you know you have been very reticent to set to St Louis I of the new Mustang Rocky. You have have been very quiet about that. I I do have to say that even if it does look better in person. Those wheels the Wheel Arches are criminal. I don't know how those made it in their very very strange. They offer strange odd decision. But I think as a car for Ford that this is definitely the most important vehicle. They've introduced probably recent the explorer. I think that's fair to say Yeah or even before him. I think it's it's a call. They definitely needed to do and they needed to commit to it and they needed to give it every possible opportunity to to kind of John Catch. Hold which you know calling it. A Mustang is part of that. Yeah so what do you think that you know for long term strategy if you look at Mustang sales of her last you know eight to ten years. Basically since the recession Mustang sales bounceback wants back for a little bit but they've been on a steady decline for the last four years or so and you know for with generation Mustang honestly aside from the switch to IRA independent rear suspension. The car fundamentally did not appeal to new fires. It didn't try to up the technology very much it was still just about. It's just an engine in the set of wheels. Let's be honest and attached to a brand. You know it's the brand. It's the engine. It's the it's the everything Mustang stands for and I do wonder. Do you feel like did the audience for that kind of car is shrinking. Absolutely yeah I think so. And I think the full rank Thorough plans for a hybrid mustang. which will be you know like an actual could rather than this? SUV's factor that will soon fall roll. They've said is kind of power of va with more like a V6 sort of sized engine engineer most so we don't know exactly what it's going to be like but I. I think that they recognize that. The audience out full dot sort of traditional coupon convertible is shrinking is dying. There are a few people interested in that so I feel like I think that you're seeing I think might might might take onto has been you with the younger generation of buyers are seeing people that look at cars I as a practical conveyance and second is a lifestyle choice where you know earlier generations often that was flipped because everybody could buy a new car they were all pretty affordable and so your car much more about making a statement whereas today a lot of people trying to get by without cars. They don't have to have one in if they do they. Kind of the the the one car family I would guess is on the rise. I don't know if I've seen satistics about that but do you. Do you know anything to support that. I think that there is definitely an expectation that people will be able to do more with a bomb vehicle the compromises we'll will be last and I think electric vacation plays nicely because you know the raw packaging benefits to stuff not no longer having a big fuel tank and a big Dessel diesel-engine fronts fronts and being able to Kinda push those electric Out to the PUCK. You bought trees underneath and just having a much. Bigger more flexible Kevin. I think that the definitely still people who have that sort of old school style. Look into the lifestyle. I I think. What's maybe changed as being the lifestyle has changed and that the cause that they identify with not those kind of the big displacement traditional pony cob muscle car kind of things that they want you know people who following the cutting edge trends may be looking for something which which is electric bill which has a kind of a more modern sort of spin on it? And that's why I think the I think the mustangs seen perhaps as being a little good old fashioned and footy answer the people who are coming out with a lifestyle I kind of attitude. It doesn't resonate with them. Yeah and I think that's you know. I think that's probably probably for for me when I look at the. We both live in California so we do have a skewed view of it. But we've rapidly seen basically tesla takeover as has the image car for the state like without a doubt everybody's aspirational vehicle. You have one if you are a typical non-core enthusiast person. It's a tesla like I. I just don't think there are many exceptions. That Real Los Angeles is a bit of a strange car market. There are some people there who still attached you. Know a lot of sentiment and value to certain luxury brands but I think the general population has really shifted to Tesla's. We know this is what you want to own one day. It's the car that you know. Says he feel like you've made it. which is what a lot of the traditional cars Mustang Camaro corvette used to stand for and a lot of ways at least a higher trims? So I think that's been a shift that probably he caught eighty feel like that. I mean I would say the big three off guard absolutely. I think that part of it. I don't know when you will last inside a Mustang or Camaro for that matter Iranian recently. Yeah Yeah I'm so sorry but yeah because you know one of the things that stood out to me when I saw the McCain was the the cabin is just looking ahead in terms of design and fit and finish in the technology and just the quality of you get into a a Mustang and the plastics achieve things breath limb in hard is very much the sense that they focused the spending on a big engine on the performance side of it and maybe the starting side of it and on everything else is kind of the coin is what cuts because like you said you know in the old days that these calls. We're very affordable and to do that. They had to make sacrifices somewhere. I think that that kind of attitude the speed and the performance in the sound is the most important thing has carried on. It means you get into one now. And he's like Oh yes yeah. Fords are probably the least favorite of of any current automaker they are. They're also very claustrophobic. For whatever reason I don't like sitting in their cars very much. They're they're quite one of the things things that they devote specifically talked about when we looked at the Mustang Blackie was the you know they have chosen a positive unusual for them kind of colors. Bright light writers it it feels more area inside and I think that anything is going to sway a lot more people because you get into it and you don't feel like you just sinking into this book. It's pots been black plastic caustic. The things that you'd actually you don't mind touching recoil from him in horror and I if I were to once again draw my contractually obligated analogy phones. I would say that if you're if we're on the cusp of the smartphone. I feel like a lot of cars right now. A lot of you know especially from American. Automakers I feel like late era blackberry and palm where it's like all of the things that these companies are doing are acceptable because no one has emerged to offer them a real challenge college and say you can look at this problem completely differently in offer a totally different solution which is in a way? What apple did you know? You can argue nuances about it. But apple release said well. What if we just got rid of all this legacy stuff that you think is necessary that you think needs to be here and throw it all out the window and it's just a screen now and I think that's actually really? What Tesla did there like? All these buttons and switches. They need to go Just put it all on screen. I mean it. Actually the apple and Tesla Analogy Ajay. Think works fairly well. There in terms of their approach it does but I think where it may be starts to To kind of full show his the facade. Long Tesla any it must have been saying that they want the rest of the industry to catch up. You know that they are so keen and excited about this idea of the rest of the world catching up releasing electric. 'cause moving away from Templeton Russian and I think that they I think they do that but I think that they end up then forcing themselves into more more extreme positions Vehicles like Siva truck. Because I think that when you are our small player yeah all of a sudden other people come along and things like you know sufficient range and performance and quality in the charging infrastructure which is slowly starting to get the When the when the low hanging fruit is picked off then you have to go from all kinds of extravagant sheltie things which I didn't think apple necessarily early how to do whereas I feel like we've kind of seen with the salvator particularly this sort of got we need to Kinda crank up the showmanship? We need to bring out a concept car because all of the things that we were doing that no one else was doing and we will point to him saying. Why aren't they doing this now? The kind of starting to do I mean I don't know I guess you could say it's kind of Tesla's trash can Mac moment went but I think I agree. The analogy does breakdown when really truly explored. But I think it's also you know like you said it's a function of cars moving more slowly slowly. Things take a long time and takes a long time to be responsive and I think with smartphones but we saw was apple. You know as a brand became highly associated with this says how you do it and I do think Tesla's still has that pretty commandingly so far you know they've they've they've defined the conversation which I think is the biggest thing you can do in any product segment you can say you can basically set the blueprint and I think that you know with certain cars you know like some some automakers like Ford obviously with Machi gone all in on Tesla's approach. They've said all right. This is what selling like we should sell. What sells that's an obvious approach whereas you have another brand like Porsche which is saying you know? No no we are going to take what we do. And we're going to apply it to this larger electric concept. If you driven the taken yet I haven't I I was supposed to and then I couldn't make it was very annoyed but I think the interesting thing the is the maybe push. It can do that because they are politics. Volkswagen group and so do they can do that because the folks is going to turn out however many tens hundreds of thousands of ID threes and fours. Whatever on they're going to be like a vast vast number of basic regular electric 'cause from Volkswagen group across its various Brunson poultry will be able to kind of cherry pick the best of those components? I think the car industry does move new very slowly but once you get up to speed with these kind of platforms auto tech Cha's like VW's some other companies. It means that they he can very quickly Say Well Okay we're GONNA make the hatchback and then we're also going to use the same platform extended slightly put music extra length possible batteries in some kind of a billion really. And we've got to make a different size crossover because we can just shrink that down all of a sudden they have maybe took them a while to get up to speed and once the the the the scaling I think is a lot easier for them to tesla will experience. Yeah I think that makes sense. I did remember what I wanted to talk about. I think it's good. I think it's a little bit to end the show on because it's actually related to our subject matter in some kind of way so I mean I'm sorry you know I. I'm sure everybody wants keep talking about cars cars endlessly but we are GonNa talk about cars just more mobile related sense so one of the things that we hear blasio unite both go to a lot of events put on by the likes of QUALCOMM. Welcome carriers and basically everybody. Let's say the larger five G. space which makes me feel icky say but it's true so qualcomm and all these other companies carriers especially talk a huge game about like V v C and five G. and enabling you know oh the vehicle communication and all sorts of things and I feel like ice just hear crickets from automakers on most of this stuff there seems to be live. Live very little interest in discussing product-development plants and where this technology stands with them and we see all these technology companies acting like. Oh you're going to see the stuff in the next few years. I don't I don't know if I buy that. What's what's your take on? How do you relate the cars? I think I mean I think the survey stuff on the kind of vehicle to infrastructure stuff stuff is really interesting but like you say we haven't really seen a huge amounts of of actual movements at that in terms of commercializing it. There's been a few if you know you can buy in particular the thing. The Cadillac C. S. has vetoed allows cadillacs to talk to each other. I think it's the interoperability thing which has which has struggled the fact that the five G. is nowhere near ubiquitous enough to. You know that if you if you're in a car and some the drive out of coverage when you lose your veto vehicle to infrastructure. What I would say is that we're starting to see it now? Kind of being -cluded in or on the road mapfumo popular calls house said like the new Volkswagen. Gol For instance dragging it back to calls again new New Gulf is going to have veto via stunned. You know and if you look at a number of those caused how's that they sell every year hundreds of thousands across Europe and this is kind of like all of a sudden you get to this tipping point. It just takes someone saying well we're GONNA make it default volt looking to make it's time to just like we saw with Fujioka in caused WIFI hotspots in the manufacturer saying well look we're GONNA put it in some people will activate it some people won't we can maybe use the Lt backbones deliver some things we can do something with it and the number of people activating it and paying every month will kind of balance it out for the people people who don't I think five G. has a I agree with you that we hear a lot of great toke from the carriers and from the chip makers and none none of them really have a particularly because the role of the the most of the people actually building those types into the products and until the cockpit. Decide that this is something. You've is worth enduring if you will pay for. They're not going to do. And I think the Casino for me looking at how cars fell you know. I live in an area where I see waymo vehicle because I saw Waymo as the other day it's I I've seen But you know seeing these cars obviously and learning about like you know. I'm sure you've heard about some of the a new next-gen lighter systems that are going to be a lot less expensive now because they won't require rotating basically anymore So you know as if you know anything about cars in a lighter I think light are sensors can cost upwards of ten fifteen thousand dollars apiece ludicrous like that is insanely expensive. And so there's been a huge tremendous effort by some start ups to really really scale down. That cost sounds like some of them are succeeding now and so to me. It's Kinda the same attention you have with smartphones and five G. when it comes to like on device computing power in a I in very sensors and new kinds of chips are putting in and in cars where we are getting to the point and obviously Tesla has proven to a reasonable extent. You can put enough stuff in a car locally that it can do a lot odd of the operations that were expecting five G. to help enable and so I do think there's some tension there were you. Have you know an approach of like we're GONNA jam car full of sensors and that's going to be approach. We're not gonNA worry about all of this vehicle infrastructure nonsense or complying with these standards. You know when we can just say one hundred percent foreshore under every condition connection or not. Your car is going to be able to respond to behave the way you want it to versus the other side where I think you know. Obviously I think Volkswagen is in the VW that makes sense because they're in mass market had economy cars where they're saying a modems a lot cheaper if we can just send and receive data. That's you know a lot less of an investment for us but you know you you wonder like well is the our economies of scale just going to make it such that not putting the sensors in the car just becomes foolish. funnily enough I'm so full will will the Mustang Marquee will loan with just a regular adaptive cruise control but down the line but one thing that planning to do is kind of a tesla style. autopilots tall comes off system. Though which will use attention monitoring sensor on the steering column. You'll be able to just it was people keep to the lane They're gonNA use some high position. GPS mapping from super crews and the building the sense in from the stocks so most trims of the car they haven't said exactly which yet but they will have things like the ultrasonic sensors and the Eh cameras and things but those have law and so they wouldn't confirm exactly how many lighter sentences there again to be interesting. But I mean like he's thank you say this is. This is very very unusual for kind of reproduction cough to including any light offenses just his up until very recently it was just a prohibitively expensive. You know it was not something really expensive and also they won't really you know spinning sense. That sticks out of the bodywork of the car is on the top of the car. Like top hats. It's aesthetically it doesn't work damaged easily. A light art center does look legitimately silly. It does it does. And so these kind of solid state sensors. That can be fed in that. A lot complaints The smaller companies the companies. The Tae one kind of supplies like people like that slipping working on the can just be hidden behind the body. We don't need to have kind of big cutout windows and things. I think we're starting to see now. The point what Tesla the Ford plans to just include thoughts on all of the the kind of the eligible models at some point the will be a phone phone were updates and they get enabled them. I mean that seems like kind of a game changer. In this is something that you know. The manufacturers mentioning names have said financially infeasible isn't really required for the systems and so to see a kind of one of the mainstream big three automakers saying no we're GONNA kinda use lied are in some sense. I think he's really interesting and at some point. Obviously you're going to probably have a situation where WAYMO Who I think it's fair to say they are the leaders on self driving a proven in a line live environments? You know waymo gets lots of deserve criticism for certain things but I think in terms of actual product and showing off. You know nobody's nobody's had more guts In terms of like saying just get her car and ride and see what happens you know. They've done that now. And it works And I know that Uber has already you know basically said is in some recent business filings and statements on the record like we're probably going to half the license license Google's technology. That's the way it's going to have to be if we want. self-driving taxis and I'm sure carmakers Fiat. Chrysler is already showing a strong interest in Google technology. You too so at some point you have to imagine that Google way mobile just have basically here list of specifications. Here's what your car needs to have and beacon licensed since you this package where they just become a bosh basically. Yeah and and I think people coming look looking at it from the smaller funds on the fence. Things may be. Don't really understand how modular is is. Some of the technology is the ultimate cause using the test is quite unusual for doing a lot of it in house and even then you know it uses census mother people at the RAW. If you have on adaptive cruise control system in your car or lane keeping assistance so blind spot monitoring is often just both from Tehran. Supply like Bausch oath someone like that and just dropped wholesale into the car just Stitched together like some on wrinkly Frankenstein's monster. Yeah so I think yeah there is. There is entirely the possibility of of of someone like waymo being like well. We're not going to make our own. 'cause I do that the economic data terrible in the margins on building in causes pretty bad. So why don't we just be supply for thing. That increasingly old cars are going to need to have. Yeah I think that's CNN kind of the future that makes it makes a lot of sense given where state of the market is in Tesla's obviously never going to share anything they have They have no interest in doing that. And why would they honestly you know. Yeah they don't they don't need that it's it's exclusive thing that they have. You can count on to differentiate themselves. I wouldn't share it if I were them. Yeah okay okay We're we've already run a little long this week so I would like to thank you Chris for joining us for this riveting conversations having not making me talk about phones constantly instantly yeah talking about phones constantly does make me sad And it probably makes our listeners. Sad to hear about cars but I promise we'll get back to phones on Friday. We'll have David Immel on the show and Welcome knows about car and he knows nothing about cars. I promise. I'm pretty sure this topic David does not know less about then cars. I wouldn't go if I can drive though which is always a shop really. Yeah that's shocking. Actually I know you heard it here. Maybe I well All topics we've talked about today can be found at android police dot com slash. Podcast were live four times a week at twitch dot TV slash android police Monday Wednesday Friday for the podcast around around noon Pacific. We'd love to hear your thoughts on the show. 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Ep.320  The OnePlus 7 Is Here

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Ep.320 The OnePlus 7 Is Here

"Welcome to the Android. Please podcast. I'm your host Cody tombs. I'm Corwin Davenport. I'm deals Wong and I'm Ryan Hager, and I go last jewels last. I just wanted to make sure I didn't know what the procedure on that was, but okay, just making sure we're professional. We did plan this order, not at all. You know, we, we like to pretend we did. Anyway. This week is a lot of phone stuff, shocking. I know we're going to start off by talking about the one plus seven pro. It's a real thing. It's happened. It's in the world. And you know what? I'm because he has spent tons of time with it already. I'm just gonna kick this straight over to Ryan. Yeah, I, I spent, I think around two weeks with the phone now a little more and. Having used the ten plus having played briefly with the p twenty pro which I love to get some more time with and having used the pixel three excel flagship from last year. I am convinced that the oneplus pro is the best phone that you can get right now, period, the camera is, maybe not as good, good as the pixel or definitely not as good as the twenty pro. But it's, it's a really, really good phone, the software's excellent hardware, you get his excellent. The ninety hurts screen. You cannot go back from once you've used it, using sixty hurt his like there's jittery unpleasant experience. It's sort of like getting a high frame rate, monitor in gaming, when she go back from one hundred twenty one hundred forty four PS two. Sixty. You're like what's wrong with the world? It's such it's such a pleasant phone, and I feel bad because I feel like I'm schilling, but I'm not it's just a really good phone. It's, it's lovely to us know. The schilling comes later not right now. But I, I really do. Enjoy the only potential drawback is the camera, which is not quite as good as most other flagships, but I still think, and I maintain that. It's, it's now more than good enough. It is. It is flagship quality, the only issues you're gonna run into is in low light exposure a little long. So you kind of have to plan your shots or go to manual mode, and make sure that you set a lower exposure in bump, your other settings and I'm sure they'll be able to mitigate that a little bit with the subsequent updates. And this was actually pointed out to me by Michael Fisher because I didn't quite notice it, and that is that the wide angle camera focused on. It's pretty soft, especially in the corners, and I was praising the fact that it corrects the aspect much better than the s ten plus and I think the way it handles most things is better than us not just white angle. But the telephoto in the primary camera, I think the one the Tim, but the white angle has some issues with softness and the color. Accuracy, dynamic range are wrong like it, it chooses, colors that aren't there and it'll, it'll sometimes blow out a scene really badly because the lighting is like difficult, or if you're in the shade, it'll think you're in the sun and everything will get really brightest weird. I don't know. But I do think that those things can be fixed. And I don't think that blunt blowing them out of proportion here. They're not as bad as describing them, but they're, they're present. And in comparison to other flagships you notice. And thanks to crunchy goodness for the twitch prime dab here. Man, I know him that's a good user name. I do love that name. But yes, I can't confirm because Ryan brought the seven pro to Google. I o that the screen is very magical. Oh, absolutely. And but now you haven't talked about what might be the biggest disadvantage to this phone for some people. And that's that it is massive. It is huge. So, yeah, I, I didn't talk about that because I forget about it. I have pretty big hands. So I'm used to like the S ten plus doesn't feel like a very big phone to me because I've got I've got big hands, but this is big even by, like my standards of being comfortable with big phones. This is really big. It is very large. I as I mentioned the review I don't drop some very studious, very careful. I hold them. So I don't. Really need to use cases usually most of the time I do. But if I don't I've never had a problem, I haven't damaged a phone by dropping it in a decade, almost Ryan is perfect. He makes. No, I know. That's what I've dropped its twice a drop this twice in the first two days. It's just so big. So I think something that goes hand in hand with that is the Sophie Kendra, which I think differently, if you're prone to take Sophie's this might be important. I think that the selfie camera is the is the definitely the maker break feature. And I can't believe glossed over, if you take a lot of southeast if you sort of person who like, Snapchat, sir does Instagram self over under whatever circumstances, people take selfish, because that's not me. I think this is definitely a phone. You should not buy because there's the added time for it to pop up. It's kind of inconvenient. It's obtrusive makes noise when it does it you need the extra space. There's issues when you hold it in landscape. Like there's all sorts of like little ways in which having a pop of camera can become a problem that you wouldn't have -ticipant did and. It's a terrible inconvenience that you wouldn't think would be a terrible inconvenience. But if you don't take southeast. It's not a problem at all. So I think that they that that's one of the big features that indicates how you will experience the phone the way that you use your front facing camera. So really quick at sorry to backtrack. But one thing I noticed about one plus ads almost all of them have had seven pro in the hat, like really big hands. You can tell they are trying very hard to minimize, how large that phone is it is very big. But yes, our anyway back to the selfie camera one hundred you know professionals because this is for professionals professionals always have big hands like not to just goes hand in hand. Look at that. The most of my big phones are packed away because I took them to I on I still haven't finished unpacking. Got back yesterday. Here's here it is next to the pixel to excel. Let me get them the same height, and you can see it's, it's a good bit taller. Yeah. That's pretty is that is it not as wide it gets wider actual. No, it is not as why the vessels on the two XL are huge forget about that. They're big so yeah, it's not as wide as the two XL envy, tapered, edges, which a lot of people are going to hate. I know so many people up in arms over having the display that folds over the edges. I love it ton of people hate it, it does help make it feel a little bit smaller. But it's the same as having smartphone. I, I like diablo's common in the chat room. How do you take? Or how do you go skydiving with the that phone tickets? Have the no. I've never been would it make a difference been skydiving because that phone automatically taxes. The camera if it detects falling. Oh, yeah, work. Yeah, it wouldn't work. Well, I wonder if maybe like it if you activated during the fall, maybe it'll stay out. I actually genuinely kind of curious about that, because that would be funny someone someone with the plan of, I'm gonna get a selfie of myself skydiving, and then they're like, holy crap. The camera just won't stay out. I'd be cure. I assume someone will eventually probably test that 'cause people skydive and takes. I assume it is thing. I've heard people do it. Maybe maybe we'll just be adventurous and use the rear camera. Chicken it. Are you paying two hundred dollars for that drop? I mean just going to keep people were taking sell fees long before front facing cameras, this technology. We have. Devon from comments. I've seen him do it. Delclaux's pow his power button. And then points, the rare of a camera Adam, and he's got the angles lined up. He knows how to do this taps, the volume button and gets a perfect selfie with the rear camera every time and be led him in the chat asked, how big is it compared to the note? I think it's the same size as the no nine 'cause get telling me, I think Miriam was telling me that it's exactly the same size almost exactly the same size as the note. Was the one before the one that exploded? Five is the note, six seven. It's either exactly the same size as the note seven or five or exactly the same size is the no eight. I think I'm pretty sure someone asks us during the QA, and we looked about, and it was like almost identical to the note nine yeah. Mike whenever the interesting observations from ri- Ryan Whitlam was not able to join us today. He was going around testing in five G which will talk about in a few minutes, but the union was using the galaxy gutsiest ten five G and one seven pro really gets close to that. And I mean. They're talking about different energy talking about different priorities talking about five versus everything else that the one pro has. So you'll win you're paying I this is where the cost announces comes in here because. I think you make a good argument Ryan in terms of what you get for the money being way way, more important than physically the complaints about the price increases year. Oh, yeah. I think that the, the price increase from this over the sixty is definitely worth it because it is a substantial upgrade. You're not just paying more. You're paying more for a much bigger much much high-resolution much smoother screen, you're getting the U S three storage. There are a lot of individual increases that more than merit one hundred and fifty bucks. It was one hundred forty actually won't air. There is an actual one plus seven that we're talking about the pro right now. We asked, you know, they, they made a flagship phone and they made an actual successor to the six t so they do have both. That'll be our next topic. In fact. Like how I like how people in the chatter are trying to come up with other situations where the Papa camera might not be inconvenient. Someone asked how will will detract on pogo stick. I like that. This actually could be the greatest one plus me ever. What someone just reviews the one plus seven. But it's just a list of situations where you're going up in doubt up or down and jumping up and down on a bed. Yeah. It's that's awesome. Very important jumping jacks by. 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But no one ever uses it. And thank you, the Oslo for, for hitting the perfect timing on that sub always good to have you here, man. Diablo good job one of our Rockstars. He's getting the box TV set if we had if we went to the effort of being a hall of fame. He might be in. Are, are inevitable hall of fame lineup anyway, so the one plus seven there was a pro there's a regular version. It's a thing. It exists also in the world, not quite as spectacular, but still pretty good from what Scott had to say about it. Did anyone else get a chance to play with us at all? Now, I wish we had at the event but they didn't have them because they're not selling it in the US. Unfortunately sounds like this is going to be just for other markets. But at the shame that's, that's a little silly sounding because you'd like you're still getting all the basic upgrades, the you'll fest three and improved. It's everything that's there, but just a. It's if you're keeping name sixteen body sixty screen, it sounds like as well. It's the same I think it's the same measurement same resolution. So a lot of things about the industrial design of the original phone, and the dependent parts have remained. And I think that's a fair twenty thirty dollars. You know, step up a little bit and to find that while we're still stuck at the sixteen even though we do get the thirty dollar discount at this point. Now, now I feel if you'll go bummed. I mean, I think that I do think that it might have been the right move not because the one plus seven shouldn't inherently come to the US. But because the pricing is gonna be spo- close, we're talking about, it's only one hundred and twenty bucks or one hundred and forty bucks less than this seven the, the equivalent price. It would be so they kind of be self cannibalizing it at this point them continuing the cell the sixteen which they have for discount, places that into a better price point. I don't know if. Offer financing on its own not T mobile, but one, plus, like a firm or any of this partners. I honestly, don't remember because that would make less of a difference, even like that much less of a difference. So, yeah, I think that's a fair claim this to me kind of this is almost like what Google is doing with the three and then they're higher up phones, but the difference is that Google still selling the three in places where the more expensive flagship funds are sold. But yeah I mean I totally get why they're not selling it here because us Americans were used to overpaying for phones. So pretty. And it's kind of a shame because there are elements that some people might not like about the pro other than just the price like I'm really looking at the pop up camera because, you know, the, the regular seven has a teardrop notch. It's really small, it's really like of the notches that we've seen it's probably the least defensive and Idi. It actually kind of looks good on this phone, and it's the same exact one at the sixteen has is it, okay? Yeah. Think the displays the same part. But I might be wrong. Yeah, I do know they have the taller or the, the wider. Headphone piece at the top. Yeah. Good calls. The frame is a little different, but I think the, the glass in display might be the same. Yeah. The I mean NASCAR pit stop of grades. Yeah. I mean I'm looking at my sixty right now and it looks identical insult sell walk in chat says the this'll you have a trade in program now in, I guess, to giving only two hundred and forty dollars for sixty trade-in as any of our readers. No, I hope you understand never use these trade in programs, unless it's a really, really good promotion every once in a while. Those come along, you can get so much more money to sell on the phone yourself pointless traded in ninety seven. Yeah. Some people in the comments for our posts were talking about what they were getting for their various phones, because you can't just pick a phone from the list, you have to enter like your enemy number, and it's, it's interesting because they're not giving a lot for their older phones like the sixteen in six and five whatnot. But they're giving a lot of money for other like phones from other companies like someone in the comments said that they were offered nine hundred and thirty dollars for their S ten plus. Prerogative? Wow. So it's almost like the real retail value right now. Yeah. So some of those that might be a good value. But in general, let the strong stealth marketing move, though. Yeah. And like someone else said, they got ninety dollars for their regional pixel XL? The deals are not, not great. And I'm curious if the in three months, we'll start hearing horror stories about this. Like we hear about Samsung's training program every year, yet will say yet to be fair, like a lot of people used to use the argument of the training programs are effortless and painless, and blah, blah, blah. And as Samsung as proven that's usually not the case. It's actually the opposite. So a lot of times it's actually less effort just to sell to a real person. Yeah. Especially since like, swap makes it so easy. I'm not even being paid to say nice things about swamp up, but they're, they're pretty awesome. Yeah. If you'd like sponsor. Hey up into it. Yeah. Coming from there as a former employee of the group that owns swap a very nice people over there. And I approve of this sponsorship. Okay. Till state save your shilling for our twitched. Now we know why you're on here tonight. Yeah, Frieder you'll see this chill master. From NPR news in New York, I'm gills along. Manny nailed that. All right. All right. Onto other phones and things that are well, you know, things that someone out there might by Verizon now has the galaxy S ten five g going on sale, and they're pretty much pushing this in the markets where you can actually use that. Which is, you know, of them predating, I wrote the article for this. I'm sorry of for the number of lists that I shoved in your face. No. No, actually I'm dead serious. Please. Actually do that. I, honestly do like bullet points when I'm skimming an article like it's fantastic. Yeah. It's just. But in the end I mean, there are basically, this was go day for them in terms of like the real five initiative starts now. This is not some moat something that you slap onto another older found in order to make it go and given how flip of the coin was in terms of how testing went for the motives, e three that motivated. Oh, I'm getting six hundred megabits per second. We're seeing from colleagues like us, you know, it's just a dog adults who his name is spelled in early version of this article. So I'm sorry. Just make it up to you with a drink next time we meet, and what point three gigabits per second under the down link in that. So that's pretty cool in. We also saw the rise in PR reps testing in Chicago, Georgia Cornelius, I'm gonna go for that one point one. Gigabits per second. Those were in Chicago are Ryan Whitlam as I have said in Minneapolis, the second on the, the lesser known Verizon five G market, and he said in response to a just as a tweet that he was getting somewhat less impressive results going on. I don't have any. I don't think we made contact with them this afternoon. But I would presume that, you know, we're still talking about hundreds of megabits per second, danso that aspect in terms of that in terms of an into. He says it just having that one unit best in five Gs in, I think, they if we're there point to marketing perspective. Again, we're going to have to talk about loads traffic how much, you know, this is going to be practically usable for people who are on. Hundreds of self sites. Hundreds of them at each tower, other time that's yet to be known. And then there are just it's just the thing about the device itself. It's thirteen hundred dollars. If you go for the five twelve vision, fourteen hundred dollars, and they're trying to make this somewhat palatable. They're still the only doing the twenty four month. I, I don't know how you feel about these device payment terms twenty four month. I think it's like fifty eight dollars. A month on that. And then you have to factor in the fact that you have to go with the like a eighty dollars ninety dollars plan that with the above a unlimited or beyond unlimited. The good thing is that last after some of the reactions from last month's at motivation. They have done away with the ten dollar store charge for Friday, at least for now. So who knows we'll whether we'll see that comeback into play later on, but. It'll be interesting to see. And again, we we're talking about a couple of incentives. Got two hundred dollars debit card for Switzer's, which is, you know. Okay. And then you have. The trade ins which it's either. Dollars. Obvious conditions apply. But into like there's there are two lists for the three hundred and the four fifty for which eligible phones, you have interesting to know that the red hydrogen one is in the three hundred dollar category and not the four hundred fifty dollars category. Which is a testament to how much that the phone has a depreciate that we need. So most of our readers. I know I'm sorry, wanted to know I to be fair like I, you can tell because they know most of these phones like what they're gonna end up. Doing is handing them off to resellers, who kinda referred them and sell them. And yeah, you know, there's not going to be very, many people rushing to pick up. Red hydrogen one at this stage, not unless read pops up with something really cools in add on. But yeah, that is a little off off topic off. So this phone is, is while we're on the topic of extremely large phones. This is also quite a chunk. I think this is actually bigger than the the note. Nine I think Ryan might have said that. Yeah. Thing it's. Newest right there. And somebody did a comparison on the size. I think it was Ron Deo showing off the side profile and how much less metal. There is going around the phone. So presumably they've cleared up anything that would generate interference for millimeter wave spectrum for all intent is they have to cram, all the way around the device in order for it to pick up a signal on five G. That's going to be a sucky design challenge that those people are indeed people have to face for the next couple of years. I think I guess that's a lot more glass. Lot more opportunity to break something, a lot of people depend on that mid frame going away to around the phone to protect it. And even of a fall because, you know, usually sticks out a little bit further than the glass all the way around. But it's very barely there on the S ten five gene in that's going to suck. I do think it's a little interesting to phones just kept getting thinner, and of course, like larger footprint but they kept getting thinner, although time and everyone hated on that. Now, here we are having to go thicker for antennas, which now creates all these opportunities to put in a little more battery creates opportunities for you know, other things that everyone kinda said they wanted. Let's see how that actually plays out now. There are stuff in something else. They're going to step in like, like a flog, which Franck or something like that. That's what they're well. They're now need. All my phone staff. Flog trans. I don't know what it is. But I love the name in even even like a Samsung, they were like, okay. We got to put something else on this, besides the five G to sell, and they were like what if we put another camera on the back this has like five, six cameras on it? I think too, on the front. And then I think that's four on the back. This is a lot of that we desperately needed. Yeah, thanks. And then and then Google's like a guy's got that one camera. How's it going? Hey, hey, they did add one Cameron the pixel through to the front. But, you know, great spot for thing, so useful. Some people it is. I, I'm not one of them, but to some people. Anyway, we should probably talk less about the, the unfortunately massively overprice phone and move onto the other unfortunately, overpriced phone, the L V fifty five G also up for preorder on sprint, they're already offering a fifty percents off lease for a limited time. Yeah. It's L G. I mean to be fair LG, does this with every phone anyway. In some way, shape, or form like you launch it you immediately discounted. They, they have the prices high upfront kind of more for show. And verve like reate folk rice the south three at full price. That's an extra hundred dollars. Yeah. Exactly. And they also of course, have a sprint is also pushing the HEC five G hub, which was also nnounced and someone out there will buy it. That's all I'm going to say about that. I think that's all there is that pretty much. Yeah. Unless anyone anyone? He see for getting a device on a carrier nineteen. All right. Well, we've talked about everyone else, you know what, we, we might as well just throw in Motorola, just for giggles the Motorola one vision is now fischel. It has a whole punch camera and it's Android one software. I honestly know nothing about this phone so anyone else, go hell just for, for the people listening in, in their car, whatever you don't even have to pull over this as a road to look at the picture this just in your head. Imagine a galaxy S ten and then that's it. That's the Motorola phone. It's got the same punch Bill Cameron the corner. It's got the has it has like an iphone back camera other corner. So, yeah, that's it's the other. Okay. Yes. Very, very important very notification quarters, so that the wait. Oh my God doesn't say, Motorola across the front it doesn't have any do they finally stopped doing? Rid of it. I never thought would happen praise. The low the vessels will be still big enough to be that annoying. I kind of envisioned it as a pixel to excel levels people. This is like three hundred dollars ish found I can I can excuse the, the, the, the somewhat chunky doesn't. It's not what it now me. Now grant granted this press release could still be very forgiving. So we'll have to wait until actually they wrote it. Yeah. This. This isn't an independent press release. We're like oh, yeah. This guy's opinion phones, really. No, no, no, no. I mean like the design like these, these images in the video, because, you know, Linda, you remember when Linda did that like last year, and everyone would like it was really ridiculous where they teased a basil, est phone, and then, like the president came out and it wasn't vessels. And then when people actually got their hands on the device. It hit had even more basil than what the press images. Those were. But yes. So this is basically a mid range phone that kind of looks like a galaxy S ten in its Android one. So it in theory get Andrew updates somewhat quickly by by Motorola standards anyway. So all we really know that, that means it's gonna be running near stock. Motorola doesn't update anything ever then the there Android one phones got pie. Yeah. Pie pretty close after pylons the rest of their phones are still waiting. But you kind of the they're one Android one phone. Got updated. Pretty quick and thanks to the H zone or subscribing with rich Bryant. He s thank you. Thank you. I do. I would like to point out one thing that I think made a comment about before with this naming scheme. So we've got motor what, what? Motorola one than we had the Motorola one power. And now we had the Motorola at one vision and a winning for voted while at one twenty twenty with the motor four as the vice president on the ticket and wake. There's his words that are just like Hauer Videon energy. Okay. You know what's Larry right now? The Motorola blogs down. They're like you gotta give them some slack. Okay. They've had budget short backs shortcuts. They're running the servers on a us, Motorola g three okay? Can you just give them a little bit of break? This is Jay Cutler running the servers at Motorola, pretty soon, they're going to upgrade to Android, or to raspberry pi, so, yeah, no give them a little slack here. Yeah. We've now said given a little psycho couple to couple times, given scored Joel's to be fair. Like I remember when everyone started saying, hey, what whatever happened to like, interesting aims, why, why does every what is everything just have to be a number and letter. No way we're back to like the HTC sensation. And the oh suddenly blanking on all the others. But thunder both oh, you don't bring them into one. Yeah. Hey, we're, we're kind of bad. I was in Canada. So like definitely a grain of salt with that, although I was I am still waiting on someone to take on Impala. Like we've got the for cars. We got that for bands. We just need some phone manufactured that in I'd be happy. Well, a few of them have partnered with car brands there. There was a couple of Ferrari's, there was someone partnered with Porsche, actually a couple partnered with Porsche of a sixteen McLaren yet. Yes. Yes, I see. No reason we can't have the ACC Impala all that's left all that's left until we get back to that. Sweet twenty eleven era smartphone. Branding is a tie ins with popular movies. So we need to draw. We need a new, we need a new car wears edition of, of a Motorola phone with, like a special boot screen that shows like RTD to am I nuts there. Wasn't there a Star Wars version? Of a one plus there was there. Was there was the storm trooper thing, but it was just like a white phone. It was really lame. The couple of Batman, Samsun integrations, as well Owen iron man can't forget, the Herdman, good old marvel tie in when I can't do that. When anymore. I hope no-one no-one listening to this wanted to be spoiled. So I still haven't seen it, but, I mean, I'm sorry. Cody not not gonna pretend now. Yeah. Win. When do I get out of? Working, we've anything we've we gotta take Cody the movies. Speaking of sending people out to stuff, we would appreciate some twitch prime subscriptions, if, if we get enough people to, to subscribe, we will totally send Corbin to get a tan. Okay. If your tax that is low blow disconnect. While I. Welcome back corden. Hey. If I don't like I don't get paid unless for the whole episodes. So I'll have to take that one. Oh, wow. That was that was great timing. Oh, you guys thought I disconnected it, we honestly, one of hers. I left for comedic effect. Cody. All right. Anyway, I hate anyone listening, if you would like to help support the channel in the means are as a side effect, also get entries into our giveaways and just generally a pretty cool freaking person, we'd appreciate if you drop by twitch and subscribe to us, of course, paid subscriptions are always great. 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I feel like this makes us look a little bit. Little bit. Little bit man. Fair corbin. You are the one. Right. I this order, not see me slide the zinn phone six right after the schilling. No, I told you literally I closed that document. Technically I do that. I I am back in it right now. But I did not order change. Anyway. Okay. It to be this. This is hardly much of a story. I mean, hey, there's going to be at they Google and add we, we know that this is sort of what they do. They've been testing this for while we've gotten on enough tips if people panicking that there's ads in their Google feed. So, yeah, it's not new also this sort of ties in to wasn't really worth talking about, but Google's revamping Google express into a new Google shopping, and part of that is that product recommendations will show up in the Google feed. So this is kind of part of that, but also Google fetus, also gonna have just right advertisements in them. Oh, expect to see a lot more sponsored content in your in your feed. And if you if you don't like this, I would like to introduce you to our Lord and savior. Feely. When she might us every day, and it's great and it doesn't have ads partially because description, but that's that's besides the point. And if you miss Google, reader, the old readers the same thing, a it, it is the same thing. It's great. Any RSS reader, does the thankfully, yet to be fair? Just find the raw RSS, your L, and just in gesture information gun. I absorbed news through photosynthesis. I want I want that to be as thing anyway. So things that probably shouldn't be things, and we'll jump to this one. I the Acis is in phone six. Wow. Co cody's just on a on a mission to roast. Anyone in anything today aren't aren't you bought it? It's mostly. It's mostly about the pop up camera pretty much one hundred percent because of that pop up camera. It it's actually not a pop-up camera. It's a flip of, oh, we're back to the what, what shoot what was the Senate phone. Upo and went. That's what that's one. Yes. You right. You. We are bringing back like twenty Levin's Martin. I really wanted to fantasize because they've always been that Taiwan Republic of China edged Lord in terms of smart filmmakers out there. I remember back in twenty fifteen and they're freaking numbering scheme is the bane of Oliver existences here. So I apologize if I get this wrong, but the as infant four I believe introduced four gigabytes of ram for like a why was it like a two four hundred or two hundred dollar price point like that was insane. And they've like it's always been kind of that odd stepchild, which have always sort of appreciated just because it's just it's just odd. I mean it didn't. I mean they're doing well for themselves, I think, but, but yeah, so I'm just glad that they've doctored. A more stock Android here. He has AC's funds have long been proof that things matter more than specs. They've been terrible for a long time. Offer might make a difference as. It's one of those things where they, they still experiment with hardware. And I deeply appreciate any company that still experiments and does something other than just the generic like. Everyone came out with notches at the same time and everyone came out with so many so many hardware features all at the same time, basically because Qualcomm or somebody else did a little bit of innovation came up with this thing. And now they're peddling everyone, as uses that one company that's, like, no, screw you all we are going to. We're going to we're going to mess with everything that we can think of. And I do appreciate that. But man the software. Holy crap this, we'll take them to task for this. They were the first ones to really get out there with the hey, we're doing the notch. I, I think 'cause like it was like CS last year. And we were like I was remembering the briefing in the kind of it was the first notable notable ones, and perhaps it was just because of the timing of things. Maybe the briefing was like early in the morning of the first day or something. I mean, I think they were actually like they were after the essential phone, which was the year before. And after the iphone ten which was the year before. But the big deal was the fact that they were making the constant comparison to the iphone, the fruit phone X during the freezing areas. Funds. I. I don't think I've ever used an ace use phone, but I have reviewed a lot of their tablets in like their hardware is always it's been pretty good, or at least on the, the devices, I've tried their software has never been. It's, it's been like acceptable. But I know Jordan has when he's reviewing it for us, and he was loving the it's basically stock now with a few added features. So something more along the lines of, Motorola, which is really nice because their skin used to be very heavy handed. And maybe they'll translate to faster updates because they're update speed has been at great for longtime. But it so sure as this is the base zinn phone, six will probably be a bunch more difference Hughes of this coming out in the next couple of months, maybe some more budget options, maybe a few with one or two, weird quirks like a no last round that with zinn phone five series. They made. One that have like a gigantic battery in it. So we'll probably see a lot of variations on this design. Cool. So yeah, that that will exist to phone anyway, moving on unless something has words now okay. Not prepared to be getting to this dense spray that we're about to get into. So we're moving onto Google and the original pixel, there was kind of an issue that a few people have with the microphone, it basically made it so assistant wouldn't work, sometimes you'd call people, and they wouldn't hear you. Sometimes sound quality was just like wrecked, but it like would be audio, but it, wouldn't it wouldn't pick up right anyway. So some people got mad about this. They kinda cold out Google for the fact that, you know, they kept selling this pit this phone with a known issue. And they even in some instances, would reply someone would return it. And the one that they replaced with would also have the same issue. Anyway, after, you know, some legal proceedings a little bit of fighting Google finally decided to settle and they are paying out seven and a quarter million dollars. Total to everyone affected unless it. Yes. So. Up to five hundred dollars can go to people who who received a phone returned it and received another phone with the same problem three hundred fifty if you just had this issue with one phone, and for reasons that many people have questioned in mocked and just kind of laughed at you can also get twenty dollars. If you just simply had one of the phones and want to be part of the lawsuit, even if there's never affected you. So hey, you know that's that's gonna need. I guess, for people who. Had their pixels in probably by now have either stopped using him or return or sold them off, or whatever. All my phone's decide to go off with weird notifications all at once. That's, that's odd. Well, if you're the lucky people that are listening right now Patricia weeks, Alicia Helms Brian McCloy in Adrian Alcatraz I almost said, Alcatraz. You're getting five thousand dollars, so congratulations, you can pick it up at the San San Jose court. Four name defendants for anyone who's not listening in. There was the way a party, a the way class action lawsuits works as you have people who start the suit, those four people are the people who started the suit, and then when the classes, certified anyone who wants can jump on board later. So these are people who were part of the soup before it was certified. Yes. And for anyone else, the basically, you can still jump in and be a claimant until was July nine yeah. If you joined by July ninth, you can possibly get part of the pot and technically the court hasn't agreed to the Salman yet, but it's, it's not like going to. Yeah, yeah, this, this is one of those things unless the court finds massive problems with this. They're pretty much just going to say. Yeah. Cool if if both. Yeah. If everyone's happy with this. We're just gonna okay the only way they wouldn't is if there was reason to think the lawyers, and Google cooperating, and like that, that sort of thing doesn't happen at this level. No collusion. Oh, oh, I wanna high five you. A little bit slap. You mostly high five kills route route rounding up everyone. So speaking of legal things I wasn't jumping in. India is jumping on the pile of government entities who want to sue Google for antitrust violations. So a while ago it was remembered that the Indian government was looking into possible antitrust violations by Google. And now they're what is it called the competition commission of India is officially investigating Google and the process could take a rarely year and it could end up that they just don't find anything worth pursuing and the details about what they're specifically investigating aren't immediately visible. But sources told a. Other other news organizations that it's pretty much the same as what the European Union sued Google four while ago, which is, you know, chrome being the default browser. No competition. For default absent and, and all that stuff. He felt fix engines etcetera. Right. So, yeah, it, it could end up where people in India, get the same prompts as people in, in Europe, where you get asked for your default are your for your preferred web, browser and search engine when you step your phone so that that'd be interesting. And also may be the case here where Google may have to make the OEM's pay or will they decided that want the OEM's to pay for apps on Android? And I know that might hurt them this. Yeah. The, the European Union thing did a affect prices for licensing on different skews a phones if I remember correctly. And of course, the, the phone economy of India's completely different than the one in Europe, a lot of people using mid to low in phones, so that could be an interesting development. But yeah, so it's, it's it is interesting to see kind of more countries type tried to displace Google. India's, especially an interesting place for this to happen because Android that might be the country where Android is the most dominant because I phone is almost nonexistent there. It's all Android phones, especially from Xiaomi and one plus in all these other companies. So India, you're talking about how meeting incomes that are like, fifteen hundred bucks a year think, and then you're talking about the government really promoting. Predatory digitizing the economy, make it conscious one. So it makes it more and more necessary to get a phone to live. Basically even out in the country. So I mean, we'll have to see where this goes. To some extent, I do wonder how much this is going to be a little opportunistic I at least some countries, and I'm not accusing any particular country of this, though, as more pylon that might be thing. But how many of them are just kind of seeing now that you're did this? And now they're gonna take that opportunity to, you know, kinda collect a little bit of money from Google it sort of pressed them into situations as they as a see an opportunity to get in there. Yeah. I, I mean, I don't deny that could definitely be a factor. But it's also still it's still very much worries me that we're getting to the point now where one browser again, has like ninety five percent usage. So option would be nice, even if most people, still choose chrome. At least they're, you know, ask, because as we all know no-one changes the default, unless the default is absolutely terrible. Google has had all this time again, just to build that market lead. So. Yeah. So go, go. India. See, I thought I avoided the hey parts. So I but then everything down. Gives me ask one every. And speaking of speakers going off. Yes, there is a transition do. Sonos Sonos is finally going to roll out Google assistant. Support is thing it's happening. If you are a Sonos owner. That's gonna be what a next week I think they said started rolling out today. Two days ago. So, yeah. Okay. It's, it's in the process of rolling out. All right. Yeah. And this is nineteen months after they originally teas that it was going to happen. So you know maybe a little late to the game and itching to being very expensive. Your speaker is very late to get feature. But you should be very happy about both those things. And of course, this is only for the what is this the, the, the one and the beam? Yes. Yeah. And, and there are some catches, because Sonos already has some feature that are in Google assistant, and they've opted to use the Sonos equivalents wherever possible. So you can't put your Sonos one in a speaker group with other smarts acres or chrome cast, or whatever also, you can't ask another assistant device to play music on the Sonus, which is a little bit weird. Dano us. I'm sorry. You can't you can't do that. I miss read that part my bed. But you cannot do voice calls on the Sonus, so no do. Oh, sorry. And all that. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, one more. Yeah, it doesn't have a no multi user, but the should becoming at a later date, hopefully not another nineteen months. But yeah so given all that, like I really relished in the original press release the title for it. Hey, g welcome to sewn us like that has to be the most. Arrogant atrocious thing today. Hey, we're gonna here in our playground now and we're going to limit what you can do, and it's going to be fun. Yeah. I imagine a lot of the people who probably bought the one for its promise, assistant functionality, the they've probably moved on to greener pastures by now. They take themselves up a J, B, O, Flink or something. But I don't think people who are spending Sonos levels of money on speaker are necessarily doing a whole lottery search in which features they are in aren't getting. Oh, I don't know settle burn. Okay. I freely admit I'm definitely not the normal buyer. But I was even looking at Android auto, which yet totally different field, but I was looking at what cars had it and would have it when I was doing my shopping, so for note, sheep options. I I'm going to refrain from naming one or two that I would consider cheap options. But okay. Anyway. No, no need to throw shade on car manufacturers in this anyway. So I don't know. Hey, cool. That, that's the thing or they already got trill billions of dollars from tarp some years ago. And okay. That was that was my lame attempt that, that, but whatever. Yeah. I I don't think there's a whole lot more to say on Sonos unless anyone dealer. So did anyone else have any other topics? I have a new tiny projector that I'm reviewing anchor came out with another one. This is like their four. I think is it running Android TV or there is skin? Okay. This is the first I think it's the first projector at all to run Android TV. Whoa. I'm pretty sure I need to double check that, but I haven't seen one so far. But yes, this is a new. This is the nebula capsule too. I believe it's called. Or maybe it's the three I'm not I can't keep track anymore. But it is a little tiny PICO projector that runs Android TV and it has. Also believe this one fungus as a bluetooth speaker as well. But if you don't want to use Android, TV also than HD my on the back, you can plug in whatever, also this when they finally have type c charging, which is nice. I'm sorry. How many lumens I believe it's still like three hundred. It's not it's not very bright, but it's also like you know, that's par for the course. Yeah. You ran into physical limitations. But yeah, it's, it's pretty nice so far. I was watching movies on it earlier, of course, I have to turn off every light in my room inch at all the blinds. Clearly see what I'm watching, but that's kind of how these things go, but yeah, I should have a full review of that some time. But it's nice. Also, this is a very expensive. I think it's four hundred dollars some around there. Oh, it was. E X. It's I haven't I haven't side loading a hardware info than get it has. I don't. I don't even know honestly, I'd have to check that later but it's nothing too crazy, regardless, that would handily make it the most expensive Android TV device to date. Even over the shield you gotta take into account. The fact that it's built into something though, because like it's like the Sony TV's that haven't built in there, quite a quite a bit more expensive than the shield because you're buying the TV. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And yet, that's actually a fair point t-. There are playing TV's that are Android TV that are way more expensive item as the TV Tilton. It's the project. Yeah. Kind of like striking the bed range over there can't link for anchor to a start making lunch trays so that we can all or like it's like household items feel. I feel like. This brand that's going to be coming up. They'll make they'll make some brands for everything they wanna make. That's, that's our other favorite thing to do. They have like million brands. Suddenly, I wanna see, like one of those Samsung refrigerators with Android TV in it from Oscar. Okay. Yeah. Introducing the sound core refrigerator. Oh, goodness. But yeah. So hopefully, I'll have a review of this at some point. It's, it's nice if our and yeah, I don't really have anything else, fun to share. I don't think. Yeah. Oh, I'm supposed to get the Lenovo plucked thing soon to try out, that's the as yet. The as we finally get to see if that things as. And I don't even have I don't have the smart this plate to compared to yet. But I am getting one of those soon, so. Yeah excited. Oh, yeah. I guess you don't for some reason. I thought you had a home hub for Nestle home hub. I have I have everything else. Yeah, that's boy. That's the whole thing. 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Ep.368  Pixel Free, Eh! ft. Hayato Huseman

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Ep.368 Pixel Free, Eh! ft. Hayato Huseman

"The term mature is overused when it comes describing smartphone market but that doesn't excuse the landscape of mediocrity in two thousand nineteen so depending on your frame of mind are for best phone of the year. It might be a bit startling. This is the android please. It's Wednesday. December ninth welcome. I'm David Riddick joining me. Today's former pocket now talent how it now a writer producer videographer for android central mobile nations. And occasionally. Mr Mobutu coming out of anywhere but Indianapolis it's High Outta do man. This is is a week in the last month that I have been in Indianapolis so good. Timing fantastic yeah. So it's definitely been. I think a crazy travel year for everybody the phone. He's really seems to enjoy dragging everyone around. You know right now. We've got a got Scott in China for OPO Which which I refuse to do you anymore but yeah there's there's a whole lot going on? I know it seems like everybody's been going nonstop so I think to start the show this week. It probably read the posts on our site actually did pretty well. I was surprised. I don't think people usually care about things we pick but if an APP story because you know both. AP and a C- chose the pixel three as they're kind of like phone of the year. We are Google phone of the year in case of you guys. But I think it's kind of like symbolic of the state of the smartphone industry in Twenty nineteen that you know when we looked at all the phones spite the fact that they are ones that are better than the Pixel three. I think they're better phones. It's still the one that I go back to and I'm like well. Yeah I think that on balance like it did the most to to change things and I think to also like start a conversation about what's actually important in a smartphone. Yeah I mean it's it's the easiest phone to recommend I think at the very least. Yeah I think that's what it comes down to for us like I think with the pricing in everything but we kept saying well. It's the phone we tell everybody to buy If you don't care about phones especially like just by that you'll like it probably does so much right and so little wrong even like it skips all the things that the a proper pixel does wrong like. There's not a whole lot of compromise with it which is great. Yeah the things that it doesn't do as well you're like well. It costs four hundred dollars right right. Who Cares you know? It's a little slower. It doesn't feel quite as nice although I think Google did a pretty job on the plastic on that phone it really. Hey good like I also enjoy you know as much as the atomic purple. Got Lot of hate when it first came out. I think it's grown on me. It's like it's very subtle. It's not so bad. It's not my favorite. But I I wouldn't be upset if somebody just handed it to me like you go. I like the neon power but though I think that's what yeah it makes me love that color so our conversation came down the two thousand. I think you guys did to You know we came down between two the Pixel three and the one plus seven pro WPRO and it was close. We voted on ours and it was four out of eight votes wins the Pixel Three A.. And three went to seven pro and and then one went to the Pixel for I don't know why but You know I think that it showed that the most exciting phones this year. Both of them were like phones at said what's take what makes all of our really expensive phones good and cram that into a package. That says you don't have to pay as much. Yeah it's I mean again. It's just phenomenal deal. Even better I think than the one plus I like them both a lot and the plus the one that I've spent more time with them the Pixel three but you know at the same time the pixels almost half the price of even the one plus so yeah exactly like I think that one plus has gotten up in the price bracket and that's the reason seasons. We didn't choose. It came down to not being expensive. It came down to it missing two things that expensive phones usually have which are a god Damn Ip rating adding one plus wireless charging. Like and I know not everybody cares about wireless charging in one plus has dash charge and Blah Blah Blah. We all know the party. Line there but I think overall although one plus has gotten so expensive that it's getting harder to excuse that I would even pay more just for them to be done with that conversation. Yeah I mean they're like right along the line of like. Is this cheap enough to make up for that or is it still expensive enough that like it. It should definitely have it. And I think it's I kind of lean towards the latter with like the seventy seven pro like they. You might as well just have it just bumped it up by twenty thirty bucks if you have to. Yeah and I think at that point the the benefit to them would be that there is no any more like about their phone just like it's just as good as every other high end phone full stop and I think that would be so much better for them and then and you still get the benefit of the incredibly fast performance and the great heart like the great software that's like super customizable and clean. Yeah I think like this year. They proved like CONC- consistently instantly that they can do software updates. Just as fast as Google. which is I think faster honestly? Yeah they weren't. They weren't faster in some cases like that. That was pretty impressive and I think also I've heard fewer reports of crippling bugs on one plus phones in the last year or two I feel like which tended to be appointed. Yeah for them in the past a little bit. So I think that's a that's another one and I think that the other thing that's like they've really shown in. Terms of cheering is the camera. I don't like us one plus phone in cringe. What comes out of the camera anymore? It's not amazing. But it's pretty okay. Yeah I did notice that when you guys were out in Maui and Michael made a video and five g. you kinda showed some of the footage from various phones and everybody did kind of comment on like you look at the color space of the what oneplus seven Pro Five G. McLaren edition. Yeah I think definitely colors on there. It's still the hardest part for them. They've got light down now. I think which was a problem on a lot of the old phones and the details. Definitely getting there. Yeah the details pretty good. They're processing like edge edge resolution. Or you know things like that are getting pretty decent. I just think that they need more data. And frankly for somebody to come up with like a licensed full. Hd The our algorithm something they can use. Yeah because you can just see when he's the Google camera on one plus it radically changes the output. And you're like Yep you really do. You need a little bit of help there. That's kind of the thing that is in favor of the Pixel three though is again. It's so much cheaper than any of the plus phones this year and it takes better photos because it's basically the exact same cameras the pixel three in the Pixel Four. Yeah it is the exact same camera. There's no difference at all. I mean the only thing different about it is the the horse power it has to process images so does take longer of course but yeah. It's same algorithms same sensor same cameras. Emily period as far as. I'm aware it's the same module so there's nothing different about it and it has the same capabilities as four K.. Video like there are no compromises and so I think that is also a big part of why we picked that. We didn't talk about the camera too much in our post. But that's just because everybody gets it. It has a good camera a but it's it's totally true and I think that Google probably probably did a bit of a disservice to themselves in doing that too because on the Pixel for came out like I like the camera except for the white balance problems but if I go to use the three. Am pictures basically the same man. No real difference unless I'm using super resume in the better life as a hell of a lot better on the three-day yeah the battery battery life on the three a xl in particular is pretty decent. I consistently get five hours of screen time on that phone and on my four X. L. E. IT's lucky lucky to get to four usually and I'm using I'm using a small pixel for over here. It's fun so your batteries dead already today of Georgia choice. So we're doing okay. Yeah see I can never do that. That's why I can't do the small phones because it's not because I work from home so obviously I'm literally within arm's reach of a charger at all times but but I'm lazy and forgetful about it and so like if I go to pick up my phone and I'm like Oh shit. The batteries like twenty eight percent because I forgot to charge at earlier today day. Like I want the phone with a bigger battery to begin with to accommodate for my own stupidity. Yeah I'm always sitting at my desk or on the couch with my charger on my laptop instead of my phones all like a friend will be like. Hey let's go out and I'm like yeah. That sounds great. I pick up my phone. It's twenty five percent. I'm like all right. Well this is. I guess I'll wait. Yeah so I I think getting back to a little bit so guys post you know you talked a little bit more about how basically this satisfied the demand in the hype for a cheaper Pixel phone which I think was definitely definitely true. Yeah people I don't think a lot of people are buying the more expensive pixels like not many people I know bought a pixel three outside of Our space and I've definitely never met anybody yet. That is not a tech reviewer that owns pixel four so yeah I mean we have them in our comments because of course they flocked to us but like it. It doesn't seem like many honestly lake posts about the phone. Do Pretty well for us. But I think that's mostly because people just like to hate it And that's unfortunate. I I don't WanNa go back down that road because I've I've gone down that road for like four podcasts. In a row with the three a like what makes me me. Excited is like with the four day. I hope Google just does a repeat performance and says okay. We're just GONNA take the camera from the phone from this year. Put it in a slightly sore chips that and that's basically going to be the formula so that way you get the telephone which is if you have the telephoto on the four day I get this full stop stop recommending the Pixel four to anybody for any reason. Listen I mean they could even fix that decision and go with an ultra wide instead. Oh that would be. I don't know if Google even could be that unselfish aware where I think. I think that they would probably stop themselves from doing that. But who knows. They've made bad decisions in the past. I mean to be a good decision for for the camera but man that would be a real slap in the face. I think it would be incredible to watch the reaction on twitter on blogs and whatever else of Suddenly the Pixel Four. A is in every way better than the four because ultra-wide that would be hilarious and it kind of like I've seen some people come at this and say this on twitter twitter like should google just make cheap phones. Should they just do that instead of like we're we're done with the high end stuff. Should we just make reasonable mid range phones for everyday people. I mean maybe yeah you know at this point like if we were going to be if we were talking about really expensive phones. If we're going to the eight nine hundred dollar range than I would probably pick the one plus over the Pixel in any way aside from the cameras. Yeah because the battery life is better than like I like the software oxygen oxygen West better. So if I can just buy cheap pixel instead of settling for everything else because of the camera. I think that's totally fine. Yeah and I think it for me Eh. I'm looking at what the strengths of the Pixel are. I think this is also by which is our phone of the year. The strength of the Pixel are the camera the software updates and the cleanliness of the software off. Wear and the fact that there's no blow to it's very simple pretty accessible. It's uncomplicated and none of those. Things require making one thousand listen dollar phone. Not Not rate them and that I think is what's hurting them on the more expensive phones is everybody figured out three. Google could give them the experience. They wanted. which which is really? I think a callback to nexus. which is what is put some pretty good stuff in a phone and Update it really fast and also now. We're GONNA cameras that basically what they are the next phone Scott. A little more ambitious later on some of them were more expensive. Some of them were less expensive. But I think with the nexus four in five. That's when people really started to hop on the Google phone bandwagon and when Google Changed Course on that with the next the next six and then with the There's five Axon six P.. And I think those phones the five x was terrible and nobody liked it and he was still fairly early expensive for us. But these they're legitimately affordable and I feel like if you live in Asia and you really care about all the crazy specs. You can get on these real me and read me phones and you want the very latest and greatest components no matter what obviously the Pixel a line is not going to be for you you but as a phone that I feel like you could get useful lifespan out of at that price range. It's GONNA get three years of software updates which is unheard of for phone that cheap. It just doesn't happen then unless it's an iphone and honestly I don't think Google really I still don't think they're trying to actually be a phone manufacturer first and foremost anyway lake like Google just wants your data. It's the same reason they give out free ness minis if you whisper Google three times in front of your mirror pretty much. Yeah I think with the phone say do you. I WANNA make a profit but at the same time like the fact that they're trying to do it the way they are. It seems like they've really swung and missed three times. But the main I mean. Don't get me wrong. I use Pixel. Xl daily driver. Phone right now and I love the camera but is gonNa tell anybody else go by no right. I mean especially at what eight nine hundred dollars. It's ridiculous there's no way. Yeah totally even on the Black Friday sale for two hundred dollars off like I had a couple of people. Ask Me and I'm like no. I don't think it's a good idea media. Just yeah. There's some people I've had asked like. How should I switch from the iphone to the Google phone and I'm like no you're gonNA hate it uh-huh unfortunately it's not that I tell people to go switched iphones but telling people to switch from an iphone to android without like a really good reason to do so? If you could just is be a disappointing experience. I mean especially this year when like the iphone gets the basics right the battery life and the camera and the Pixel can't get better life right like it's it's such a downgraded that one really important experience. It's going to suck no matter what and I think that Google is actually. It's most effective advertisement that I saw this year for the Pixel was I three a and they showed basically low light photos next to each other and they showed how it destroyed the iphone ten asses low light photos and then they just had the prices side by side. I was like all right. That's pretty good Francis with with the eleven pro you know apple rectified. That their light moats pretty good but anyway choose. I feel like last year. You Know I. I don't remember what you guys chose last year. We chose the six T is our phone of the year because we felt felt like it it. It was the first one plus phone that we're like. Yeah yeah a regular people should buy this. It's good yeah I think this year. We chose the three because it was the first I I would say it's really the first budget phone. We could wholeheartedly recommend. Just you can buy it. Don't worry about it. There's no big compromise here right. We've we've got a few different articles. The one that we put out a couple of days ago was saying from vader he was saying that. Yeah the Pixel three. As the best Google of the year overall I think our top recommendation is the Galaxy S. ten plus just because it's so well rounded but honestly I kind of prefer the Pixel three a software and camera experience over even that so oh man I could never I mean granted. We are definitely much more Google leaning than I think most of the blogs but man I I've had I've had such a hard time recommending manning anybody by a Samsung phone other than people who've never used anything but a Samsung smartphone. Anymore and it. It's tough for me. I think the plus is a great phone. It's just it's like it's got that full ecosystem accessories. That apple does. Yeah people like that. And I've always felt the problem with Samsung's ecosystem is it's not real. It's like well. It's all this stuff with not Samsung stuff to you. Don't yes have the phone like you're not getting any additional benefit like the wearable APP works on any android phone the galaxy he butts outbreaks on any android phone. The wireless charging pads work with any android phone. It's all the stuff where it's like. Well yes it's designed for Samsung but android Nisa Platform. An ecosystem is I would say insufficiently fragmented for those experiences to be much worse on other phones. Yeah I'm using Galaxy Galaxy Buds right now and I carry them with my pixel for every day so pretty much the only thing I'm missing versus the Samsung phone is not being able to wirelessly. Charge my galaxy buzz off of my phone. It's really not a big deal. Yeah and even then with that you know I I mean I carry around why I've got the job or seventy five ts right now. And they don't have a wireless charging case even even if they did. I'm not sure I would probably use them that way. I don't like putting my phone face down on the surface because it just Ashley scratches the screen. I guess if you have a case on like it works out also it just seemed I've watched people do it. It seems kind of fiddly so I use it all the time with Fisher talked me into buying this this giant battery pack from Goal Zero. It's gotTA wireless charger built into the top. So I urge all my stuff all my applicable stuff in to the poor. It's just use the galaxy buzz on top. That is a very Michael Fisher solution to a problem. Literally just Harry as much power as humanly possible with you. He he does hours. God I think is massive. I can't do that. That's that's that is ridiculous. I have a I carry a twenty thousand Milan Atlanta power and I'm thinking about downsizing to attend thousand it a lot easier for me when lake the second gen of this battery. Pack that we've got is like half the size of the first gen so it just looks right the bottom of my backpack and I just don't notice it interesting. Yeah I probably due for an upgrade at this point but probably I dunno I unfortunately I switched laptops and the number one compromise switching back to Windows. Your battery life is not so good. Oh yeah that sounds totally different from the MAC book. Yeah yeah well I get like. I'm not even doing video. Editing or anything and I still like Eke out five and a half six hours on a charge. Maybe if I'm really being that's more than I get on my macbook pro. Honestly I guess maybe I'm just writing really. Wow battery must be aging very badly. I don't know I hear from most people not eighteen now man. I most people that the battery life is fine as long as you safari. Yeah that made a huge difference Actually now that I've switched safari fulltime. I I guess I am getting closer to maybe five hours but with chrome it's two and a half three hours with writing no more than that. Yeah chromos awful. Like I've had had to go and do like changes like made such chrome can't run in the background and can't also even run when the window is minimized. They just don't want it to do anything if it's not in the foreground which is kind of standard Microsoft life. I guess but now I'm actually working on an article that I feel like I wanna right because I think it's probably going to be insightful. Because as I used chrome os basically fulltime for two years on the Pixel Book and like when Microsoft announced a new surface laptop. I'm like fuck it I am. I am so done with this because I waited so long for chrome to get good and it never quite did except in the battery department event which it is the chrome. Oh is the only platform you can run the chrome browser on where does not absolutely destroy your battery. Life it's just great. It's fantastic. It doesn't it doesn't even make sense to me like they can't do these optimizations on any other platform like what is so special about it. I don't I don't get it. Well the problem is it's also really hard to switch away from chrome Tom Entirely. Because like I use Affari for almost everything but like our our weekly meetings at android central. I have to switch to chrome to you. Be Able to join the meetings or for like youtube live streams or like all these little google things there. Obviously they're trying to lock you in. They're doing a great job of it. Yeah I mean a and don't me wrong I love you. Know People like make fun of chrome for all the blow to the ram usage but it's like despite laptops or Ram man who cares. I don't mind that part but I do feel like what was nice about. Switching with chrome was going to windows. There was no band-aid to rip off. I just was signed in the chrome home. And it's like okay basically I'm done that's everything and it was there I do. I do miss the pixelbook battery life and I feel like I. I Dunno laptop form factors I dig it. Used to having a convertible convertibles or cool. I feel like they're actually you know like on airplanes and stuff we're watching videos goes Or if you WANNA use an external keyboard I know our our reviews editor Ryan Whitlam but he does. He has a convertible windows laptop just so he can plugs mechanical keyboard and like have it like the screen directly in front of the Kibo. Yeah I've seen him do that at press events of just like look at this guy. It's totally widely respected. Yes have you seen in his mini keyboard the van it is hilarious tiny. But it's like a custom key layout. He's got things macro for like the enter versus the space spars half width. It's insane. It's totally nuts. Oh keyboard but he does love it. He has a special carrying case for everything. Jesus Christ I like it though. Yeah keyboard ordinary man there a special group of people. I bought like one mechanical keyboard and I'm like Yup it's good and I bought a key set for Yup. It looks Nice. I'm done now. I don't and don't need anymore. I'll just be happy when I finally get to upgrade from this thing. That's only a year old like there's no need to upgrade. I want that new keyboard on the doesn't mechanical anything. That's not this my left command button doesn't work so everything I do just like go to copy. I'll select everything I hit. Command see but but it just hit see. They replaced all my texts. I actually have that problem on the surface laptop because for whatever reason the membrane on the left control key is is like heavily tilted. Toward the right. I think it's a packaging thing they did. ghostly control see like for an image or something and then they'll pace in like a link. I was is trying to tweet last night and I'm like well. 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So so we really do appreciate that you'll learn more at twitch dot TV slash android police and if you don't use twitching head android police dot com and there's big green donate button if you just want to say thanks. We appreciate that as well as the android central or Mona for. What is it if you've been there two years now? Yeah just a two year mark Last month could I actually F- remembered that kind of so. Obviously you know. You're you're one of the MM slightly more behind the scenes people in Mona. Because you know you're doing a lot of vinyl cutting or you premier person Final for sure. Okay so like this year. You know. We're getting getting near the year end. And so it's very convenient easy for me to segue into a retrospective. What is your project? This year that you've done so far that you feel like okay. That's it's GonNa be the one for this year I feel like I really put my heart and soul into it and I'm super proud. I have a problem where every video I do I The result isn't always great. Great but just like spend way too much time going over every little detail in hoping I can make something really good but I think probably the like my favorite video. I've done this year. Is maybe like my note. Ten Review. Because that's the first time I really mess with like color grading and different kinds of techniques that now I do every video and back then I was just like Whoa. This is crazy for me. That's that's pretty intense stuff. I know very little about video editing. I just knew that color grading is kind of a nightmare but it seems like a lot more union is a really getting into it now. It's super bird complicated to just like understand every little thing. I don't understand almost anything about color grading. I'm still getting there but there's a lot to look into. I mean I I've just this I've been watching a bunch of like Peterman videos and just trying to teach me everything you know. 'cause everything he does is like video tutorials and here's how I make videos and it's great. Yeah I mean there's so much content on their out on youtube about making videos videos about video your dog That I feel like there's an I don't i. Don't follow like the really the video theo gear seen as much. I fall cameras a little bit but I feel like we're getting to a point. where pro video gear is coming down to the Pro Sumer level? Now where there's a separate Brit set of gear now for people who were doing serious video it's gotten like for youtubers especially gear has gotten crazy cheap compared to what it used to be. I mean three or four years ago if you went. Did you four K.. Video you have to spend like three four thousand dollars just to get started now. It's like you pick up a nine hundred thousand dollars camera. You're probably GONNA be able to shoot four K.. Yeah and I mean even and beyond that like I was. I was at the snapdragon summit Last week and I saw David Cogan had brought his black magic six K.. Micro and micro is very generous interest term for that camera. It's quite large but Mike. Why are you shooting in six K.? And he's like I just felt like I wanted to and that things only like twelve hundred bucks six. Yeah that's nuts. I mean six cameras for pressing. Six cameras didn't exist into black magic made one. It's always deal black magic a lot. Even though I'm not always a fan of their products I sort of their Mo with them. Yeah our one of our contributors Jackson is a big black magic fan. Boy He's always. He loves his black magic. He loves I think he loves all things to take pictures and video but like magic seems to be his thing I think that what a lot of people on Youtube do and what they talk about and I think that I personally find very interesting and if you don't have this ready at hand that's fine but a lot of people like to talk about what what is in my bag. What are the everyday items that you use? What is critical to doing your job because I think that videographers especially like have a lot of tools that they do have to carry around a lot of contingencies to be prepared for and you also still have to be pretty compact? Yeah I mean this is good timing. I'm actually working on video right now. That's exactly this topic. Plan that for sure. Yeah I've been using the new. The New Design v two series backpack for a couple of days. Now it just came in right before I the last flight of the year and using the first gen before that for years now. So that's always like my number one thing is like having a good backpack is is pretty much crucial. Because that's obviously that's holding everything else like having good organization in quick access to things is very important I don't know I've spent all all year trying to lake slimmed-down what carry like for my back sake and also just to have less things to fewer things to worry about So at this point I'm just I use my camera with one Lens. I've got like a tiny little Rhode. Laugh Kit now this lake. It's a little clip on and both parts of it are like basically the size of maybe like two of your fingers next to each other. It's crazy small. It makes everything super convenient versus my other laugh. Kid is enormous. And that's pretty much all. I need to film the video. Just run and gun and then just plugged into the laptop and get cutting from there. I don't carry an S. D. card reader anymore because my camera has USCC so every every little little thing you can do to slim down is is always helpful. Yeah I personally also really appreciate like the the reduction in things. I have to carry over time. It has gotten unless so I still do have an se Congo because my cameras micro USB. And I should switch rough but I'm definitely different upgrade. We had David L. on the show a couple of weeks go and he pretty sure he can vote. I'm just GONNA go by Fuji Like I is there for. He really is. He's very convincing. He really is the ultimate Fuji. Gee Fan boy but I think that you know bag is also a pretty interesting subject. Peak design really has like Youtube by the throat in terms of like like yeah fluid serious vouching for their stuff right now and I feel like for me when I look at their products. I might this is very photographer. videographer like focus kind of product. It doesn't to me like ring as much as a general purpose back. Yeah I mean like if you just need a bag for maybe. You're a student with books or something thing. It's really actually a pretty bad backpack because the inner compartment is just kind of a stiff shell. Yeah you're really just use dividers so it's not great for things. visit aren't camera gear. I would say even then like I know a lot of people that don't really like it for the camera gear because it's not quite as flexible as maybe like a more traditional camera camera bag that just opens from the top and has a lot more dividers. Yeah and I think there's definitely I've personally been messenger bag person Because they like the sling it around real fast and grab what you need. Love that that reach ability I know the peaks are pretty reachable. Because you just pop open the lid basically and it's right there but yeah I don't know I've always loved the Messenger bag because it's so expandable. Backpacks have a hard time expanding comparatively. Unless you really big backpack and I've always just loved that like like the simplicity of if I'm going somewhere like overnight if I'm going down to an event in staying at a hotel for literally one night. I can put my clothes by toiletries. He's my laptop. My charger an extra phone battery and anything else. I could possibly need notebook pens. Like all of that stuff in one bag and yeah yeah it doesn't feel like I'm having to pull stuff out to do it whereas I know like for people who carry a lot of camera gear the organization tends to like be at the forefront front their considerations. Yeah it's also like that much weight in a messenger bag just puts a lot of strain on my neck shoulder like it's exhausting after a while while carrying like your laptop and some smaller things like. I'm sure it's great. I would love to not have to use a backpack all the time. Yeah I I just always felt like backpacks kind of have a bit of like. I don't know he become the slave to them a little bit. Because you can't yeah you with the Messenger bag you can grab the handle Dole and like use it as kind of a lame briefcase which is what I do sometimes but yeah. I've been looking for a new bag and I seen a lot of suggestions and I'm just not quite not sure what I WANNA do. I'll probably just getting another Timbuktu because I've been using them for like a decade now but I would say peaks probably not unless you're like a travelling videography peaks probably not necessarily like the right the right choice at least your backpack. Yeah I mean they have a messenger bag and has that cool Sediq. It's very Scandinavian Scandinavian. All the box they look they look like they belong at like. You know Scandinavian design but I think I've probably killed bad conversation conversation to death. So you're you know I would say not not new to doing this as much as like I think like you've been you really got tossed into like the content blender starting nations I That's a pretty big place to really get thrown into and they do a lot of stuff so are you going to see. Yes this year I I am. Unfortunately this is my first time and I think five years. Oh Wow okay. So it's been a long time. This is a good topic then because I think that. CBS is is changing. It a lot of ways and I I would love to have other people on the next couple of weeks and hopefully talk about that. But I'm going and I'm still having. I'm having a hard time justifying it anymore more. Just because it's says show has really I think if you having not been there in five years you will find that it's very different from what it was five years ago mainly mainly like there's a path of a hall filled with cars. Now have a lot of weird like major installations outside the main convention center. Google had their little. Oh Carnival ride last year. And they're all these massive Like setups you know which are much more about They're much more about like basically corporate image. They're really not announcing things so much as just saying this is who we are. I actually talked to somebody qualcomm Last week and they said there there is no booth for qualcomm. See Yeah Wow so. It's really changing up. Microsoft hasn't had a booth there in years. Obviously I wonder if Intel will downsides to. They usually have laptop partners so I think they can justify it but honestly it's really. It's changing a lot of ways and for Mobile News. I think that there just hasn't I've been much. I mean we have a couple of meetings on the bucks but as a show it it really does seem to have moved back toward like I mean. Honestly it's like it's TV's. He's in washing machines. That's Kinda rough. Yeah even the last time I was there I think in like two thousand fourteen. Maybe Twenty fifteen. It was already kinda shifting that way I mean there there were like no phones there for the most part maybe like one. LG announcement like a another day. They announced that the flex to one of the last week. Ju- that it was it was the flex to and I remember that briefing. I was sitting there and like they were doing the presentation and they said something about it being like a self healing back. Yeah Yeah So. I just took a butter knife at the table and slice the back of it. It didn't self heal. That's one of my favorite things that SPEC when I was with pocket now and I remember I gotTa signs like. Here's the G flex to test the self-healing just beat the shit out of it. And I took a knife to the back. I threw it out of my car. I did all kinds of stuff and made a pretty three poorly done video but I had a lot of fun making it. Yeah who doesn't love destroying a phone. I remember the first deflects. They're like you can just smash it flat against the table. I was like that doesn't doesn't seem like a good piece of advice to give because I definitely did that and developed a very big black dot in the center of the screen because the led panel was damaged Mace. Those were really terrible phones. Actually but they looked cool. Oh they looked so cool though especially that read on the flex to I love the aesthetic of that thing. I still have both both of my flex twos I have like a career market and sprint one. The Korean market model is dead. It developed like severe modeling on the screen because they were those early. Peo- Oh leads that were basically like you know had a plastic substrate on them and they were not good screens but that the curve design I kind of wish that stuck stuck around the little longer. It's cool. It was pretty cool like the galaxy. Nexus did it forever ago. Yes yes galaxy nexus was or was a Taco phone to There is is the also the galaxy curve. I think it was the galaxy curve was talk o phone or the hot dog phone. I don't remember that so that like curled like the phone curled around around the edges basically so a nothing I do remember that. Yeah that was a bizarre galaxy round is the Galaxy Round yes. That was bizarre. I never got to use one of those. That was when Samsung still did really weird stuff. Like I remember like the Galaxy. Mega yes I. I use the mega six point three reviewed. It was so big. It didn't fit my gene pockets. That was a massive phone. That was actually much bigger than the phones. We use now people like six point. Three inch screen is tiny. It's like dude that was like a sixteen ten aspect ratio. IPHONE was like super wide is. Oh my God it was so wide it was such a crazy crazy cool phone but I remember loving it. I'm like I'm basically using the whole Internet on this phone. I can. I hold old person distance away instead still legible like it was it was like like seven. Twenty P wider than Tesla Model S. Oh God it was so huge I will never forget using this thing showed up elvin my hand. I'm like this is ridiculous list. Oh yeah totally nuts. When I opened my was like hold it next to the HP photos? He's a great guy was so long ago but the at the time that was like I mean compared today we have some big phones like why has what had last year the mate I forget what it was. It was the mates. It wasn't the made seven the made X.. Pro made I may make bro May pro yet. That was very big. That was that large. I think that might rival the Mega I think Daniel Rubino on our team still uses his like carries it all the time that seems like an apt choice of equipment for him. He loves it he. He likes a lot of interesting things I feel but around that time I think another cool one. You know. This wasn't at sea was it. Let's see us. I don't remember like promise so close together the kind of Blur But the other crazy Samsung phone that I like kind of like I saw I. I saw out in. The wild ones was a galaxy KS zoom and. That phone was really. Yeah so that was after the galaxy camera like a year later. Yeah they made basically a phone phone with the same concept and I could not believe it. I'm like this person. One hundred percent works for Samsung. I like saw it on the train. Like there's no other reason whispers have this ridiculous smartphone. I don't think I've ever seen gene that like in public. Ever or any of those phones like Panasonic made the same kind of thing like A. They made a phone with an actual zoom lens on the back. Yeah never for senior moment of thing. Yeah oh I think the best one though was probably The galaxy beam the projector phone That was nuts. That was so dumb. Cool though it was it was super cool. There's like I mean the shape of it was so bizarre it was like I wasn't Samsung was like basically he likes shotgun approach to the smartphone form factor. Like whatever we can do we shall. Yeah I like that. I really miss the size. We're we're we're getting back back into it with like all these foldable phones and everything which is fun they were. I felt like they were fun. They were also fun to make fun of. Because I'm literally by this but you know I also so feel like actually with the Galaxy Camera. They had a pretty good idea they did with by. I wish Sony or a Fuji would just be like screw it. We're going to put an android you I on the camera ron like it. Just it just makes everything easier to share and sand. Will you know Sony made that So we had that clip on Lens. That was like just to dedicate lens for for your phone. It was it was actually apparently pretty good. Like baiter showed me some of his voters he got with it. They're they're they look great. Yes supposedly that that little system. I used it a couple couple of times like I don't remember my samples looked but I was well received. It was just really awkward to use and the pairing sis not work well like the performance was left a lot to be desired. Yeah that was an interesting product. I think like a twenty twenty model. It'd be kind of Nice like now. The manufacturers kind of know what they're doing and how to make things actually run properly. I think you kind of need to revisit. Yeah I feel like you could probably make it smarr wonder if you can make like basically worked through wireless charging so the battery could be really tiny. Oh yeah that would be. Kind of nifty. Fifty actually magnetically attached to the back of the phone. I want I wonder if you can do. Magnets and wireless charging that might not work. Actually you know you probably use some kind of like you know. Re- sticky -able adhesive. Maybe I would be down for a product like that one nine to five. Google rumored that Google is considering. DSR attachment. I was like oh I might might be weirdly interested in that you know well. The simple solution is to just buy a red hydrogen one and then you know violence. MODs that totally came out oh man what a what a disaster that was. Yeah we don't need to get into that one. Oh God yeah that was That was real bad. I think that's gotta gotta go like if if somebody's working on a worst tech fails of the decade. That's gotta be top absolutely. That's really got to be up there. Really good one but I think that like you know because I shoot a lot of. I don't shoot almost any video like there is a brief time where I shot a little bit of video but anymore I'm a hundred percent stills and so like the idea of something that detaches to my phone just keep in my bag and it instantly transfers by photos back to the phone. That's what what I want. It's wrong I do appreciate a real camera because like NBA telling me you're getting like the quality photos off of a little dog was lying but it's appealing because I mostly just you product shots and for product shots. I don't really care. How good the glass is? I just want the photo to be framed right and to have sufficient book. I I mean even on my on my Sony. That's the thing I miss the most about like. It's always super annoying trying to transfer especially now without SD cards on like any laptops or anything. Yeah it's annoying trying to transfer files over and I especially trying to get him to my phone. I never want to do so if I could just haven't saved directly lake then you almost like you don't need to worry about the camera on your phone at that point and then I could definitely just use a one plus like seventy and never worried about anything again great. Yeah it would be great and like I remember when I got my camera which is ancient at this point. It's a Sony Rx ten and I got that camera and and Sony had the APP out. I think they still have the APP but like you could transfer photos over Wifi direct. which is a standard that you know rest in peace? Just never work the way anybody wanted it to but I remember when and I had that system by down I like a watermarking APP on my phone and so it would transfer directly to the phone over Wi fi direct opened the watermarking app run a batch operation and then share them to dropbox. They would be uploaded like instantly. I was like I'm living in the future. That's the dream. Yeah that was like twenty thirteen when I started doing that so it really was like it was fairly like. WOW THAT'S A. That's a workflow there. But then I got way Lazio screwed by cartwright or I don't care but I feel like that's actually actually maybe an area that still seems like really ripe for optimizing is like how you know especially in cameras the cameras particularly have if I feel like really fallen behind the rest of the product world in dummy wrong like cameras like they're they're amazing cameras out there. The imaging capabilities are going. Thanks through the roof. I think that's where all the investments going but at a certain point I'm like okay. Pro Sumer Cameras. Take good enough photos for you to do this professionally. Nationally your photographer. These photos are good enough for like for someone. We'll pay you for these photos. Yeah it's it's definitely much more about what you're doing then what you're using at this point ain't whereas I think in the early days of the Lars they were pretty expensive you know a lot of people didn't like wasn't sure about investing sense were small and so like there were a lot of compromises houses but now I feel like camera makers should be prioritizing just making stuff easier to use which they all seem like almost comically bad at. Yeah I mean I I love my seven three. But that's the number one thing. Everybody immediately points out is like Sony has the worst in a software interface settings navigation menus. It's terrible but but everybody except David Amal also says that about Fuji To. It's literally the worst. The software is the worst. Michael's camera you. You know what though Cogan black magic has she straddles software. The touchscreen interface is fantastic. The all the settings are super simple. Oh and really well laid out like. That's that's the best thing about the camera. I think yeah I was watching him. Use it and the interface does look super intuitive like feel number one. The massive screen green is a huge help. There it's so nice able to space things really nicely and I also feel like you know if I was in the market for camera if there was like basically similar more version of the camera where you eliminated maybe two of the rear dials and made the screen like an engineer. Half Bicker. Yeah I want that one I don't need all of the dials and I feel like you know we're also watching this kind of like. I wouldn't call it a retro movement as much as a a strict adherence to dial requirements for Pro Sumer cameras where you have to have a dial for literally everything because these camera makers can't seem to understand that you could do these things in touch software and in a way Horrible Yeah I mean black. Magic is for the most part of doing that but I think as much as I'm usually a fan of touchscreens for everything I do really want dials on camera and like buttons and just physical controls. I feel like there's a middle ground. Maybe though like where you don't need dials for literally everything. which is the Fuji Approach You know I want dials for some of the things you know. It's reasonable to want an ISO shutter aperture zoom of chores like there. Are Things in custom a couple of custom buttons. But there's so much room on top of these cameras that I feel like it's pretty doable. And it just. I don't know it's one of those industries that really does bug me. Because the the players are all from Japan hand in Japan directly has a they really stick to their own dogma technology. Yeah this is how it is because this is how you do it and I feel like that's why like you said we look at black magic. You're like oh well that's an American technology company saying like how would we re imagine like how you use a camera and I think that is that could be helpful but I feel like none of these companies. Want that help talking to the Sony. Guys is hilarious. Because you'll you'll just say something really obvious like man. I wish this camera had a flip out screen so I could see myself while I'm filming and they're just like Oh. We never thought of that. That's a really good idea. And you're like how people have been asking about this for years ears. What do you mean this is something that I think? We experience with a lot of companies from both Japan and Korea. Like when you deal with certain Korean companies like you get the sense that everything's very insular. Like you know everything is very like they have all of their ideas or from their all internally sourced and so there can be decisions that go very far up the food chain and you end up with products that do things like I always use. LG as an example of this like clearly the algae builds smartphones by committee but the committee is insane. But he doesn't know what to do. So you know I. I always felt that way about cameras is too. I'm just like you know it'd be so easy to change X Y and Z. And you'd have a much better experience like literally just ask Google. Could we develop a google photos. Plug in how hard would this be realistically like. A lot of these companies like would gye to be on. These cameras is like the cloud storage provider of choice. I mean can you imagine having Google assistant built built in and just be like okay G. changed my ISO or or whatever you know set of remote timer yeah or you could just have quick setting modes like set to you like you you know set mode a mode be whatever things you could ask much more quickly you know like I know. Fuji has tons of film. Luxy could probably be easier to just like probably name one uh-huh and also just I think the lot of the technology we see in phones in terms of like real time previewing of how images going to look you know honestly like some the machine learning stuff like artificial Boca. I feel like camera. Makers is much as the purity of photography shall be respected. There's probably so much more they could be learning being about how phones are taking images and how they're handled. Yeah I think the handling is really the big part because cameras are so like live in this world of its film but it's now an st cards right right and that that is that is difficult to work with but yeah cameras those are. I am probably still going to buy Fuji and I'm probably we still going to be frustrated with it. In in many many ways I'll text Alan have him Just bug you about it. You see if see if he'll sell me his x t three for below the market. I've been looking at them. They're fairly reasonable on Ebay to reasonable fact there. Yeah yeah by cameras now. Six almost six and a half years old man probably too. I'm made also I lost the Lens Cap and I just never bothered getting a new one because I am incredibly credibly as I hate lens caps. I think that's okay. 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Ep.367  OnePlus Litens Up

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Ep.367 OnePlus Litens Up

"Videos holding steady pixels percolating and the one folks ex may become a thing again. Sort of this is the Edward Police. podcast took it's Monday December nine welcome. I'm cody tombs alongside. Jules Wayne Banged. We've now heard that the one plus x is pretty much getting a successor. It's a little bit late. It's happening down the road but it's a thing thing that's happening is going to be called the one. Plus eight light renders from ninety-one mobile's in on leaks have come out showing off this new phone. They're going to be doing a rear camera. Emmer bump that includes two cameras of course the typical flash and off to the side. There's going to be a time of flight. Center is going to have a roughly Lee six point. Five inch a led display running at ninety hurts and prank. It looks a whole hell of a lot like a Galaxy S. Levin. Yeah I mean that's that's all you can really say. Not many other details have come out about this thing so the obvious correlation that. Everyone's going to right now. Now is the one plus acts like this is the first time that one plus is Reportedly as a at least going back into mid Rangers. So I'm wondering what they need to do. Hit the right notes here because I already. You're seeing the naughty hurts display the time flights answer the kind of starting to wonder to where they're going with the hardcore specs. 'cause there's still a certain expectation for them to hold up door remember. What they used for Oneplus is was it that Eight hundred eighty eight generation of snap. No honestly I have no idea To be perfectly honest I the one sex came out and I didn't even even understand that it was a mid range phone for a few months. It wasn't until somebody made some offhand remark about it and it's like wait. I thought that was like they're expensive. One at which point I was corrected. And it's like Oh okay. Well the naming just doesn't sound like that type of phone but I mean just to look at these renders and to be fair renders are just renders. We don't really know exactly how accurate these are going to be to the final product. But you know on leaks has a previous history for this sort of thing. So they'll probably be pretty close US Ben just to look at it still. Looks like a flagship phone. It's hard to tell for sure with interior is going to be. But if it's not plastic I it it I imagine you know it's going to be reasonably an expensive body for manufacturing wise and I agree I'm kind of wondering where they cut corners yeah. VG Burns thank you very much snapdragon eat a wine on the one plus x there and I remember Having been pocket now and then we'll see Michael Fisher's review of it is that it was a plant of obsidian or at least ceramic but it was like a very. It was very slippery. Sorry it didn't really shy away from that exterior so I'm pretty confident saying that. They'll at least keep some sort of metal or at least these What they've been doing? Maybe modify a little bit because the light will be kind of special. But you'll if you've seen on the seven and seventy then it's probably going to be something like that on this eight light there Yeah like I'm curious again there. Are we seeing six gigs of Ram being the baseline here like like now. That six gigs there have been very limited quantities of those skews in the most recent phones. So they've been really more relying on eight gigs as that baseline so. Maybe that will be it. I don't know if they really. I WANNA go with the seven sixty five route. I know bats what qualcomm is trying to push that five G. is going to be a big thing that that chipmaker just wants to do but terms of like when one pluses GonNa make its decisions and when it's GonNa come out not sure if the timing is right or if pricing frankly will be right for that yen really the prices to me the biggest question here. I mean any specs that they choose honestly honestly like sure they may not be very top inspects. Obviously they won't be but I don't think they're gonNA put out something that is massively compromised. They're gonna but a decent phone. I do tend to think they're probably going to drop down to six gigs of Ram I mean if the pixels can get away with it so ken one plus but yeah I would would expect a decent voting to come out and it seems to have otherwise probably pretty good components going into it so this seems like a return to early one plus phones. That's where it's not technically flagship. But kind of gets close to it but still it presumably a much cheaper price. Well See here's the thing thing with the Diablo in the chat pointy at that the Pixel for a if it comes might probably have competition in this thing and I think already one plus this is trying to patch up. It's kind of lost fan base More price valued fan base when they've left for brands like APAs real me. They've been doing a lot of more value for punch kind of phone. I'm trying to remember all the others. I cou maybe from Vivo. I think there are a couple more out there. Honor may be one of them who knows. It's the market. There is so stratified out in places where if we aren't where mostly US publication but talking about Europe and Asia and the they're not insignificant markets. Let's sing a lot. So so that's something that one plus has to contend with. I'm not sure if much will be thought of in terms of having to serve directly I believe at least the US in general but and now that you bring that up it is worth wondering will this actually be available in the. US will be saying fairly worldwide release. Eliecer they going to be fairly Geo restricted because not everyone plus phone is actually making it out to every market anymore. That's something that they've shown is now part of their realities galaxy so we may get a couple of surprises there. I guess we'll see. I think the strategy is key here and yeah that's it will love to see what goes on and I think we shall persevere and talk more home territory for us so we have The pixels this coming in with a big feature drop and that's really supposed to be kind of the rebranding of those security updates that you get every month for the pixels. Maybe you might have heard of the Pixel Update Bolton and not very sexy thing to do. They haven't been really doing a good job at promoting running what optimizations leave made and given that they are very much into the software. Google is with their phones. That's an opportunity that they we have not taken so they're taking it now in this particular updates We're looking at rand. Management improvements inactive APPS are being compressed into the cash cash which is great for all the APPS that you are currently using Pixel four is getting call screen automatic detection of Robocall so that you don't even it doesn't even ring when a Robo call gets to you it just goes to call screen automatically and then afterwards you can pick up the transcript in the see if it's actually a call that was worth something of value to you also if the peso Ford detects that the call is legitimate it will then forward it on to you Yeah that's something that worth pointing Out Google photos is getting background. Blurring for any phone assets post processing. Is the keyword right. And if your camera has some sort of depth data that the APP can utilize. Then that's going to be useful to the APP but if not the you'll just have to try it out manually. You'll have to their sliders and whatnot for that but other than that can be an automatic process if the data is there and then he got a few big league improvements to Google. Do not sure if I haven't actually used duo In quite a while have you only do tear downs which I honestly only the only time I ever do video chats otherwise it never touch it maybe next time and we can now hold our calls via do. Oh because here we got on the Pixel for at least ninety hurts support so that fluid motion that you'll enjoy from Your relatives when you're just calling to check on them like ninety hurts fascinating got the AI improvements basically if the connection that you're on is spotty and things are cutting out the I.. Generates something of the next sound things you would of made in between the cutouts so if I you know say Apple Pie cuts out then the AMA kick in. And say I I apple Pie right. I was trying to say honestly. I'm I'm very curious. I at some point. I hope they do sort of a real demo of this. Because I want to know is at Ashley. Going to try to simulate your voice because obviously this is supposed to fill in people's speech. Is it actually going thing to deliver something. That sounds like your voice. Or is it GonNa Kinda just mush it out a little so it still sounds Kinda ripe but not exactly you know I I wanna WanNa know how close this gets and will people be able to tell. I'm waiting for Google to a deep fake me so that they can use my voice for all tair ethical projects. Hey keep him like they say the The best technology out there's indiscernible for magic and to be fair like the things that are the most of usable are also the things that can lead to the best features. The best example of this is actually google voice all all of the things that spammers used to harass you to fake calls coming from other phone numbers. All that stuff is all the same stuff. Google voice was using so that calls coming we into Google voice actually ranked as the original caller when they got forwarded to you and a lot of stuff like that. So you know watch this deep. Fakes will be their next like no. No we're we're just GONNA fix video calls for you. We're has can deep fake everything so as long as we guide to know what's being said you'll get a perfect call magic and exploited exploited ability. I remember song talking about Believing in magic in a young girls heart and There's there's that gives me me a lot of creepy vibes going on there so No thank you and and then we also have a duo supporting live live background. Blurring for the pixels two three and four so basically this is my untidy bedroom. Entered the if this call were being held on. What do all right now? This video call. We're being held on deal right now. You will not see the messy wardrobe thing that I have back there and that'd be great. Thank you very much so we got a few more things that we could talk about. But I'm wondering how good of a job this this does this. This features drop is like. Is this a good. Marketing are good show of support or like. What is this for Google so I look at this from definitely the wrong perspective? I fully admit that coming from the place of having done tons of tear. Downs having dug doug into a P. source code for the monthly updates so on so forth to me. I know that these feature drops are not really tied to the monthly update. And I know that these are just APP. UPDATES that they're choosing. They're making a real decision to release everything all all the same time kind of in sync and so in my mind. I mean it's not a bad thing and in general I kinda like it and I think for regular people. It's probably will be good because when you release a few different things all at once it makes for good messaging when you release like one new feature in a given week and then nothing around it a lot of times that that actually does kind of get buried by the news because if it was something like the enhancements to do honestly none of this stuff anyone's wins going to write news about not really. I mean there'd be an article it would quickly get forgotten and people would move on but the fact that's next to the Pixel for call screen happening automatically adequately forget it like that alone will carry a story. People Wanna read about that people care about that and uh speaking as the owner of multiple pixels. People be angry that it isn't happening on the three and to to say little salt about that 'cause holy crap I need it so bad well now. You didn't buy a found this year pixel phone from Google this year Yabu sucks to be you. Well I I have a four also is just not my main line. Yeah Yeah I do. I realize that but you know still. It's I think that the art of the upgrade cycle that you'll wants to use up and unfortunately it's done pretty badly when it comes to its sales channels and its pricing in discounts. Not now good job there. So it's unfortunate for them but So goes Google silo wing of all of its departments. So how do you feel about this messaging. Do you think it's in the right way to deliver the features the messaging about the new features. I think When it comes to a lot of these massive use our what's intended to be the mass use APPs having? I don't think we should set expectations for some of these feature or these features at all to appear ear with each monthly up to. It's not like Google should be teasing. Hey next month it'll be bringing this but I feel like if you're working on projects for these features and if if you're the developing team for this it's nice to have a good deadline to work towards anything quitting as many features and shoving it into this monthly update as possible is generally goes in some ways to bringing a all the departments into line. And perhaps we could get wars and chronicity cooperation. I guess when the future updates come along but that's just me and my fancy little. Oh Wonderland Open. That's all that's pretty fair but yeah overall I give credit at least they're getting stuff out and I think I also want to give him credit for actually promoting some of these features a little better than they normally would because some of this stuff again. Even Google has an always always been very good about acknowledging new features and changes so if they're APPS are coming out and actually have these notable enhancements hitting at least. They're giving some sort of outlet for that that isn't good outlive. And I think when it comes to giving credit we should tell people to give us credit credit. Just a little bit Indeed so if you're listening to us now we are the android police. This is our podcast and we can't do this without your support and by support what we really mean is money the best way to show your support to Andrew. Police is with a subscription through twitch prime if you are an Amazon prime member or you can also pay five dollars a month to twitch and become subscriber we also appreciate bits stats Basically money that gets donated in small denominations and as a subscriber you also get free entries and AB giveaways you get access to the infamous Miss Ryan Emoji. Which shows him in his happiest state ever? And you're showing you care you're showing you like us. You're showing that we mean more to you than just that random thing that you listen to for free. 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Kim Shin in the Post and then we've talked about a few other games outside of that just in the chat room and yet everything has been performing really well. He did mention. Of course these story about chrome cast ultras overheating. It hasn't been an issue for him. I haven't had this issue either. The going theory I think a lot of us have is that people are placing their ultras in not very well ventilated places. So they're just not really having an opportunity to evacuate vacuous the heat. And there's also the option for Ethernet to they wanted a cool those radios down but I don't know that Ethan. That's actually making a difference. And honestly I I. I don't think it has anything to do with the radio. I know I've heard that theory kind of circulating but I'm pretty sure it's actually the chips inside while you've for the fan circulating so I'm not sure if they're trying to get you anyway also. They've launched a fee with features not many but a few of those things. That were Kinda supposed to be there at launcher. Most people expected For example the Google Assistant Button now actually can do something though very very very little. They've actually added. I believe it's just one new game since launch dark siders. Maybe I'm wrong. That is more than outsiders they do. How have the web store actually up running which we'll talk more about that in a second and basically overall stadiums actually performing now that there there are lots of people playing on it and it's not really clear? Exactly how many but numbers have been thrown around that Lands somewhere in the four digits. Digits are five digits maybe my understanding is mid to upper five digits. Okay that's that's worldwide or well among the countries where launched so it's super unclear how accurate those numbers are but one way or another. It's actually doing well and I've been playing at Taylor's he's been playing I think actually total there are five or six people at a p who are playing either via buddy pass or founders and I received the buddy pass And yet so far. I've only heard one person actually complaining in any meaningful way and added. It's only because he's unhappy with the exact resolution that's coming across otherwise everybody else has been pretty much saying it's performing great for Them obviously there resolution well easy getting twenty seven twelve by thirteen eighty two not actually resolution. It's complaints that the compression is not the way that he would like to see it which what I think he's actually complaining about his upscaling. which would be a resolution issue? I don't think he's actually complaining about Artif- acting but anyway so far my opinion on stadia is it's actually living up to to the promises. Pretty well I would say I could be playing for four to six hours. And maybe see one glitch like one noticeable glitch. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a very rare occasional frame. Drop here and there. But for the most part I can't tell and notably this is also what I've seen using a crown castletroy on a TV if you're playing in a web browser it or chrome. It's not as good. Admittedly there's no denying not as good in chrome that's the thing I don't think it's really being talked about enough. But you definitely get a degraded video and performance is usually not as good either well. Storytelling retelling is becoming more and more crucial part of these games. And when it comes to the details compressions going to be a big factor in in l.. People visually enjoy a product. So do you pay particular attention to visual details or or listening more to you dialogue or like what's an for you when it comes to these sorts of games I mean obviously it's GonNa depend a lot on the game. The I the game that I have enjoyed the most over the lasts quite a few years has been the last of us. It's say Sony playstation exclusive. Anyone who's listened to me on the Cuny shows heard me talk about this more than a couple times but that game is I mean. It's visually very good at times. Times but way more importantly it's fundamentally huge on storytelling and it is super super good at that they block shots like a TV drama would and they got a good variety of close ups mediums and wides and there are a lot of things that can kind of capture is in each of those scenes right. It does definitely though if we're talking about visuals and I'm not saying that this is going to be the best example but destined to is one one of those games. That actually does kind of ride on visuals. A decent amount More with the big huge background scenes. But it's really really heavily focused on massive scale. It really wants you to feel like you're a small part of a very big world So you know lots of bright colors find details in some things obviously other things not as fine a detail but I want to say the name of the game is Super Hot. Do I have that Red Super Hot. Yeah that's not a visually stunning game. I mean not in the sense of like big gorgeous graphics but at the same thing as the motion exactly part of it. Yeah and when you're delivering something interesting actually almost through the lack of graphics so again it just depends on on game sometimes. You really need the graphics other times you can and do it as simply as that. I'm not particularly sure how the servers are configured. But let's kind of hope that server loads are imaginable for anyone who's playing destiny to or those types because if more people play it than it's just not going to end up looking the best circling back around briefly to the web store a story just today or well actually. Initially the details came out a few days ago but we just hit it today. Some people did a little bit of experimenting with the Orioles and came across a ton of different lists that Sadie is going to be displaying. Two People Ed Various Times this includes fifty six different John Reserve Games though. There's a lot of overlap here so fifty-six is a bit of an exaggeration. Because you end up with things like Horror Games survival games and survival horror games. Those are three different genres so You know just just to give context. There are definitely some overlaps here. Oh and I love this action Games Adventure Games and action adventure games. Totally dead serious. These are some of them but but there's lasts between them. Yeah there are some interesting ones in here. There are categories like visual novel. which you don't really think too often and that's going to be coming up as a game type? We'll have you seen the Weah Booze and Korea booze and like those types of people like for sure really value their visual novels. It's pretty good good stuff And another category which you don't really necessarily think too much about though if you just look around a little bit on steam you'll certainly find plenty of it dating assimilation. Which I think is interesting? Stadium has already made a point of having a category for this Notably none of these lists are actually live yet. They're basically empty lists at the moment. You can visit the Oriole you can see that. It's actually there but you can't actually or or there's nothing in the list yet. I'm still waiting for Dating Sohn Generator Games to be able to be played so that we can get the Gordon. Ramsay Paula Deen. Dating Sim Sadia you're going to have to see it for yourself so I'm so confused by this. I don't even know what to say to anyway. Getting a couple of these others there were actually if you really interesting highlights because this exposed a few things that hadn't really previously been known for example. There's a list of publishers five of the publishers. Here have games either already in the store or are known to be coming like to K is bringing borderlands three squaring INEX- already has final fantasy in their one interesting. One that doesn't have a game announced is delivered digital which I am suddenly drawing a blank on the exact name of what's coming but they have an indie horror game. That looks really really neat. which is expected to be coming out two stadia? Some of these lists also kind of reveal some upcoming features. They will have a wish list not too surprising there You'll be able to preorder games in which is kind of a staple with the gaming industry these days You're also going to have lists of games that are available as demos and trials which which come on with stadium being what it is. There was no way that wasn't gonNA happen but everyone's been asking like win. Is it going to happen. Will we see these and it. At least that's kind of confirmations definitely going to happen quote unquote soon. Well no one said soon soon in the relative History struve humans. Yeah but Regardless this is another set of the sort of we know it's coming and so- stadia is is still on its way to delivering seemingly endless list of stuff we know is coming and just don't really know win. So I guess the natural leadoff from here is does what you see here like should that encourage edge developers to continue or to at least keep themselves interested in stadia barring any major kind of F- up later on You know my thought on that is actually kind of a pretty straightforward if you're a developer as long as it's not going to cost you too much you're dumb if you don't get on stadia it's not that you're necessarily liked losing out on anything massive but you could be you have no. Oh idea and that's kind of the issue you could stand the chance of putting your game on Stadia. There might be a lot of people who actually see value in it and want to buy your game and play it on stadium radio. Maybe your audience is a bunch of people. Don't really get into buying consoles or PC games if you don't take that opportunity I think you're nuts. It may maybe a waste of time for you. It may not be a hugely profitable venture but the room. Is there like to me. It just makes financial sense to try it and zero to ten Tambi most likely. What is your hunch on Google shutting this down on? What timeline I guess we'll say within a year within a year I would say zero chance zero. I honestly cannot even fathom them shutting this down within a year because because look at the total catastrophe that was aloe and they had that running way longer than they should have then they shut down things that like actually made sense and You know Google never really has a rhyme or reason for these things do that. Well typically the things that they've shut down with any sort of expediency expediency. It was stuff that was sort of destined to hurt them either financially or by reputation and so far her honestly. They're walking into stadia with almost a negative reputation already. And there's almost no where to go but up so They may as well just keep going as long as they can keep delivering new features and possibly turning people to their side and almost everyone seems to be we having a pretty good experience so far obviously there are exceptions especially people who have terrible Internet connections. It's just a reality but outside outside of that they've convinced certainly some people that this is a viable business streaming as game streaming is not actually bad thing really we'll have to see what the revenue base says about that but if users of publishers have confidence in that they were developers are able to get in and contribute. Whatever share that they need need to To Google then still a big TB a over our heads over here so we'll have to see what happens in Shahnkeri leave whatever the go public with the ten ADP tier so. Yeah the the no monthly cost tear which A year just by the Games and play at ten eighty P and technically there are a couple of other relatively minor sacrifices to being on a pro account but I think a lot of the people are probably going to be jumping on that which also worries me because the founders jumping on that was a small number of people I mean realistically and they had a little bit of growing pains during that first weekend but I think the number of people who are going to be jumping onto the free tier is going to be an insane scale so many more people. I fully expect that there's going to be what many new services come in expect. Is that if you're if you're from a well established company at least as that they'll go really big for like the first week or so and then don't shrink down and then we'll just try and see if they can build from. Maybe like I on the half half that remained from that big surge. Maybe forty percents. If it's even like thirty percent then I would consider that somewhat of a victory is a little too strong on the word for it but will truth be told I think a lot of the people who are who are going to hit in that first weekend or week or whatever. I think that's going to be a lot of people. People who would not have actually signed up to stadium. Anyway they're just GonNa Kinda get on there just to try it literally just to it because kind of I don't WanNa say because they want to see a fail but because they just want to see how close is this and once. I know I'm going to go back to my local gaming gaming anyway. We'll they still need to buy a game anyways. I mean they're not playing farm simulator. Nineteen unless Demos and trials launch between between now. And then we'll see how never know they'll play like fifteen minutes. I'm hardly like five minutes time. That's rough well in any case. Thank you for listening or watching. 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"Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Android central podcast. This is episode four one T three, and we are all sitting at the end of airy long day for the Thursday of IOT twenty nineteen. I am Russell Holly. I'm joined by aurea. I've joined by Michael Fisher. And I am joined by Neurath. So gentlemen, it's been a day long attempt. Yeah. Even up some six nursing copy Bailey's. The dream. I just woke up from a safe thing. Still kind of hang overload. He's upright. Chances of this guess staying on the rails or relatively low. But we've got some new go I owed its we do have Google on and talk about so tons of stuff happened today. But as out to me by several developer, folks, that I talked to a lot of it was kind of under the covers not not exciting, you know, user facing feature so much as kind of prominent things that are going to mean a whole lot later. No, one of the big things that they started. The keynote with was was Sudar saying that that Google was trans transitioning from a company where you searched for answers to a company that helped you do stuff do things of all sorts. Yeah. Not not just on your phone. Just in the browser helped you with life. Yeah. And proactively does think so switching from the you ask for things it gives you things right to proactively in ongoing conversations offering you things which is kind of the the pinnacle of what they've talked about for last few Google. Oh, yeah. So I unfortunately was not able to watch the keynote even though sitting not far away from you guys because I was editing video the entire time. So I'm going to serve as the surrogate for the audience and this guest. Oh, that's interesting. Because all of that is so what what are they? We're gonna talk about what they rolled out that will achieve these new goals or what? Yes. I mean, the the big thing where a lot of things kind of wrapped around it. I guess started with a system tons of stuff with with a system going to Google maps being able to use it in kind of a car road, which you know, we gosh people been saying for years, why Google system better integrated in when you're driving and now it's a proper carte mode. You know, the it's got, you know, being able to access music being able to return to podcasts when you are in the middle of them and driving. You know, having a things are kind of show at the bottom of your navigate is taking up the entire screen. So that when you're driving you're still focusing on the things you're supposed to focus on that was kind of a big deal. But it was really just the start of a ton of things going around Google assistant. That is a huge update though because having spent in. Often driving with all of that really frustrating where you can do somethings and then not do them, and it's like really just effects hold experience in the ability to do everything you expect to be able to do and have it work and not go. Okay. Great. Now, it's taking ultimately taking people away from ever in directing with that phone, which is a great thing when you're driving when you drive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Advocation at the same time. They're also bringing Google assistant to ways. Yeah. In there. Also, just generally theme was the barrier to accessing assistant is lower it. It's also just in more places in more conversational in more places. Yeah. And also this kind of been the ongoing thing in the problem with Google assistant as a brand is that Gula sisters just becoming the undercurrent of all smarts happening across Goupil properties. You're talking about being in Google maps ways. Google search Google lens is also kind of just the visual version of Google assisted and so on and so on the system itself is not. Not a one entity. It's just kind of the Smurfs behind Google overall your interactions with Google as a person. Yeah. We're starting to see the concept of assisted being the platform. Yes. And that is is kind of an important thing. But it's also important that they're not talking about it like that like they're not trying to reduce it as its own thing there. They're they're, you know, we did that with will now which never really panned out or assistant originally. Right. Where we're that was where it was its own thing. It had its own feature set and things like that. So so that did not work, and so now just being integrated into everything in kind of increasingly subtle ways. Which I think is pretty good one of these. We're gonna talk about later is is a piece of hardware that reminds me in a lot of ways of the nexus five and as a result. I was watching some old nexus five coverage yesterday in the process in reminded me just how long ago the seeds for Google system where. Oh, yeah. Google now stuff goes all the way back to I think what nexus four running and the Moto the Moto X actions before the motive oyster. I mean, this has been germinating for a very long time. So it's cool to see it finally reach a point of maturity where you've not only Google assistant sort of uniform now across devices for mobile devices home. But now you're going to be able to do more things with which I would like to talk. It's one thing. I looked up in time to see divorce Samson Bixby like local device interaction. Right. This isn't to open apps, and what you do that what it was the new thing like, you can ask assistance, it take a selfie or. So the big thing that enables all of this at the lowest level in this kind of the next iteration of Sistan has a service that it's they figured out. How to do all of this processing and handling of specific queries about things that are happening on your device fully on the device without? A network connection without any connection whatsoever. And so we've had a small portion of this with something that you would like to do Michael which is voiced attacks. Yes. Which as the exclamation point. Is continue here where? They have this weird disconnect between you could tell when you have the voice of taxed that was just happening locally, which kind of trash versus what was going up to the server in back. Just to do voice, Texas, Senator simple thing they've gone several rations past that. Now, they're doing all of these actions on the phone, and as we we'll talk about later on a home devices, even as well. Even though they do have an active internet connection to speed up dual assistant responses up to ten times. Right. Because look even when you have a good network connection. You're talking about what fifty milliseconds latency each way. Yeah. It was you know, whatever next steps that takes to get to their server and get back to the server all of that stuff is kind of imperceptible each step of the way. But when you go to make a query likes only like shook they showed a good example of show me my. Photos from Yellowstone that doesn't need to be something that goes all the way to Google servers and comes back to parse that information. And then get you to open the app. So now, they're showing demonstrations of this all happening on the device. So what they showed was very Bixby like because it was all about controlling things on your phone. So the examples were like. Notification comes in. And you say you're really that text, you know, read that to me than say reply might trip was great. And then you just seamlessly transition to show me my photos for a while. Oh, I don't know. What that is. That's how that is home if irate, and that's way off the vets in then, you know, you're talking about a trip with this person. And you say show me mining for us from Yellowstone? And then you say show me them with the show me photos with AMI. He's not even say that say the ones without show the ones with animal, right? And then you tap on one. You say send this to Michael and sends it which is exactly what was promised like keep comeback to Bixby. That's was galaxy S eight or nine speed premier was a and they said anything you do on your phone with tap right now, you're going to be able to do with your voice that was Royal. But it felt Bixby in that it felt so far short of it that I feel like I've seen demos like this at so many I os specifically now watch you can have a conversation with the machine, and like we go back and forth with this. I I'm I'm heavily mitigating my expectations for. Absolutely. And then how much do you devil's advocacy expand on this to continue? What Michael say we've seen these demos before? Many. And yes, it was great to see all of the happened on the phone perfect. I looked up. I saw the notification they had active internet connection didn't see whether it was actually transferring date or anything like that. I would love to see what really happens when it's completely airplane mode, and there's no way to connect. 'cause I don't think it's going to be anyone. As good as they tried to make it out to be. And I still think you know, I do get the old miss hit of goodness system. Where doesn't recognize some things I'm asking assurer not with a connection to Google says it's not gonna be the same. But I think the important part is that when you're doing all locally, if the voice model is good enough. You find out that it didn't work way faster than sitting there waiting for the network connection to to be the problem, or even the have the query the the problem in you find out later because the responses how many times have you done the thing where you dictate the same sentence twice because you think it didn't get in. Sentences just suddenly appear. To be clear. We actually did very very briefly. There was a failed during that demonstration. Where the first time she gave a command didn't quite catch it. So she gave it again. And I think the impressive thing there was it happened so fast that I don't think most people noticed it. Yeah. They were able to gos- right over right? There was also a very interesting will several times throughout the demonstration because this really rapid fire. And that was kind of their whole point. She was just going all over the west service. My, you know, openness send that to that person and re replied this and switch to that. And it was like an it was just cycling between all of these things you see this happening down because you're switching between apt to happen. All these different experiences. It was shown on a pixel, of course, and it showed the word dictation happening in the bottom right corner of the of the nab bar, which is interesting because as talk it's going away. So I'm not sure whether gonna put those words because at bar doesn't exist anymore over. Oh, because with a pill, you know, so that that's that's different thing entirely. But they're showing that it's doing all this processing right down at the bottom of the screen, even as all the different apps or cycling through and one of the parts of the rapid fire thing is that she sending messages and sending an Email sending replies to things, and you see the words from across the bomber says reply. My Yama trip was great. I'll tell you all about it, and it types out reply, and then it deletes that part because he ends it's a command. And then she opened is she goes sent an Email to Jessica, and it pulls up and puts Jessica in the thing, she starts talking into the main text, and there's comma and every time she pauses it creates new line. I also like subject by they. And then she says subject line Yellowstone trip. And you see type out assist subject line. And then it fixes itself and sends that up the subject line. And then you hit send it and UCLA say send it and that it deletes that hits the Senate button. So that kind of stuff realistically can only happen on the device, and it's ridiculous. They said, what was the voice training model? They said it was like fifty gigabytes or something or a hundred gigabytes at some point, and they got it down to like a hundred fifty megabytes or something. Like that -absolutely insane. What will be very interesting though, we sold that Dimona pixel. Now, you take someone by. With their own banks. And that's the question. They're talking about this being on Q, yet, do then we talk about someone while away who has on device is stuff at some point. I feel like this gonna become this. It's it's gonna breach point where those things can actually what together as well as they would because it goes testing or this on a pixel amazing. I maybe that's the goal. It's like this to get this flu sprints you need to pick. So. But if you yet, but if you then go to something like a while if which is considering that the pig is completely nation, even with we'll talk about it's going to remain niche for considerable time, and it's not gonna it's gonna take a while for them to reach that point. What happens when it's on the rest of injured. And you have performance differences across phones to like got a set some minimum threshold. Really? Yeah. You're not going to do this on Moto g nine or whatever should does that need to show a built in right? It's so many different variables. You'll know any of these things yet your point. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think about that. But yeah, it's it's a great demo, but there has to be it's not just the size of storage. It's all the other things to write that could make a big difference motion the ocean. Now, Russell, I wanna know what you you wanna talk about the privacy implications of this and just the general Google. Of course, talked a lot about privacy privacy and security kind of felt a little tacked on here and there where each so like when Rick Osterloh came up to talk about the the new nest hardware his first things you talk about like in. We have a new privacy policy in your privacy and security is most important. Into us. And now I'm gonna jump into this replant thing that I had to talk about the entire time. Yes. So I mean, you know. In a couple of different ways privacy and security where we're kind of talking about all throughout this this conference. But one of the things that you, and I started talking about as we were leaving the leaving the room or leaving. The keynote is there is there several areas where the demonstrations didn't have the wake word where they they just kept going here. That's one that we didn't talk about with this device stuff is it was an ongoing conversation. Right. And I don't even think they started it with the wake word nobody could have just hit the assistant. But it was it was something that I would have to go back and watch. But no there were like it was a feature they were like you don't need to use the word for every single thing. Right. And that's cool. But it also means as part of this on device thing. One of the things that you brought to be said to so Google is always listening now and more than just the way for more than just a week where? Did I think about that? Because no if you take it in the crudest possible way, the assistant is always listening, but it's listening for the wake word. And so this is this is different. This is this is now actively listening for commands for for multiple commands over a set period of time. It doesn't require the wake were in order to access it. And that's something very different that can be implemented a couple of different ways in. It's it's clear that this is something that was still kind of working on. But it's a it's a different consent model yet it for for that to work because that's been the the rebuttal to a lot of privacy concerns is like put this corporate espionage speaker in my house. No, well, nobody less you say, okay. Gee, it's never gonna pass any information river. Now that is Shane Jing a wider array of work. Well, a neither the reason I think that Google is able to get away with this particular set of commands. Is that none of the stuff ever goes to Google because it's all it's all it's all over the process. So that's why I'm saying it's different consent. Mal you, but it requires it requires this conversation because they'll look Ngoma talking about this afternoon. And it took me a while for my brain to get to where he was because I know logically that the microphone in my pixel is always waiting for me to say, okay cagey. So it's always listening to me because I have it set up to do. So, but it doesn't send anything Google until I've said that thing so the the consent model there is that I I physically saying, you know, give me a service and Google is then providing that service consent model for what Google is presenting in in this next iteration of distant is very different because you are always expecting that service in in the way that it was presented. You know? You're you're always saying do this do this do this. So you're. Always. But with the consent model is no longer with Google that could have all the device because you're expecting that incident response from the hardware under the assumption that that information is not being sent to Google. That's a interesting point though. Because I think as we see the entire scope of voice activation on anything that's based. They're all going to be enough skeptics out that he won't believe the everything's being done on device. I will try to we until we until we have someone who's broken on everybody on sadly, in the way, we the world we live now until we have somebody who realizes this will actually ally, we won't know any different it will it's going to require some some pretty thorough analysis from from either side, and I think that that's one of the reasons that Osterloh stood up and said, we've got this whole privacy policy thing that has been updated. You're gonna wanna check all this stuff out because Google needs to have all of the answers to these questions vary plain English from from the moment, this this version of assistant. Available. There can't be any room for misunderstanding, poverty, just a bit of a cynic when he said that on the way the -sition beginning, you'll now know everyone of the senses in these devices and stuff does pot of it was it takes it back to thinking about the next. We're gonna talk about those don't cameras have microphones for ya. And all the stuff I read today about how Google didn't tell anybody. And when they call it. They will open it was disabled, it doesn't matter so dramatically giver with a hardware product to yet. And so the the hardware is going to be its own separate mess. We're gonna talk about noon it, but the yet Sudharrao also made it clear that that Google the the private system inside of Google it self even just basic search is going to be much easier to access much easier control where you're gonna be able to see your economy will searching, click at your security functions are gonna be topless everywhere. You see your little account icon, right? You jump straight into the security settings for that app or rice, the your which is which is good. It's top level functionality. It should be a top level function in so controlling those things are it's important set of steps. But, but yeah, I mean, Google gonna need very very clear English for for how this stuff works when when this new version of assist. Comes out because as cool as it is. It's gonna have a lot of people asking a ton of questions, and they're they're creating little. Little offerings to anybody that skeptical about their security practices with things like having, you know. Making the privacy settings more accessible and offering things like incognito mode in Google maps. Which is cool. In offering settings to auto delete the. Data associated with your account for certain apps after amount of time Tuesday to have rolling deletion three months or eighteen months from your actions that just deletes just in the back end a rolling three or eighteen months after but the still are going to have skepticism from the people that understand that those things are not set by default. The default is keep everything he everything turned on. Right. Do not using Coug Nido and so Google trying to offer these things to be like, look, hey, you you have the settings there. You can delete all of the stuff if you want, but people are always going to be able to pick that well, you know, by default, you have everything to enter default settings earner are gonna be a big deal, which obviously works the best for normal people that want the product work, right? So. Moving on just a little bit here nest. Got weirdly bigger today. Ness, become became all of the things that nest kind of became everything, really. Kinda caught me by surprise. We we'd seen a leak about the nest brand being part of the the next home hub, the next bigger home hub. But that that was that was kind of burying the lead a little bit the real deal. Here is that Rick also took to the stage in in basically, everything that was previously branded Google home or croak cast or any of the previous hardware products that didn't have the pixel name attached to it essentially are part of the nest family now even the chrome costs because I didn't spell that Paul. I just applied to Google home. So they showed a map of all the different products that he was like these are all part of the ecosystem now, and it included the the home hubs. There was a there was a chrome cast up there. There was there was. A ton of different hardware products up. There basically anything that didn't have the pixel branding on. It was was put under the nest brand the umbrella today really kinda surprising also worth pointing out we you. And I both have in the last thirty seconds called this thing Crump cast Google stop calling it cast a year and a half ago. So it's what do they call? It's been the Google cats. The, you know, the sitting on this with the just back end service, right? Asking beyond just it being just a rebranding housing load. Lebron's on the one it it doesn't much to think first of ghost domestic Bryant is people do know next independently Google as what is poverty because it wasn't on company in the pasta definite, this, plenty of people out there who I can understand the reasoning behind it you've stems stats and probably wouldn't consider Google branded product of privacy and security reasons that gives them that annot tentative, which I think Andrew you've mentioned doing about like Boto and stuff like that. It gives them that attorney tiv- to okay, we don't need to run by Google anyone who who's worried about the Google, especially with all the bad press in the in the EU, especially with old stuff going on in the EU Google. It's a good alternative for him. But if you think about something very specific like the top max, which is. You and then the eventual rebrand of the Google home max to the next home max. Yeah. You shows why the hundred heights at very clearly these are completely different product lines. But to consumers regular people, they assume that the next hub max has just as good as audio as the next home max of the max, branding and Google that they don't have did not have a response for how they're going to mitigate that unless they rebrand everything fellow. No, they has to be a slow transition. You know, as we like to poke fun at earlier day that you go to the Google store and everything still do a home the scuba home that it's going to be months and months and months as they get first of all get through the inventory of all the devices in the boxes. Imprinted already have all the Google home branding. But also, just general. They have to do a whole new marketing and advertising consumer consciousness play to get everybody up to speed that nest is the new thing, it seems so interesting to me Russell, and I were talking about this is the Google home started this category for Google. And in some ways was the, you know. It was half of the equation along with Amazon with all of the echoes things bringing this idea of the the ubiquitous smart, hold inexpensive. Smart homes speaker to the masses was Google home in now, it that is just gone, and they're using wording. Like, it's the. Nest hub, Google assistant smart display, right? And it's like, but that's not reading writing. But like it is literally the nest hub is the brand of the device. Google assistant is what it does. And it is a smart misplayed if they're bringing back powered by Google. Yeah. The way that they were describing it on stage. I as the more that I heard them say at the it sounded like, you know, powered by Android, rather? Right. Was that you know that that head kind of say having to made by Google Brendler they using advertising pixels pixel phone by Google, right? You know, and that's kind of what it is. And so it's really more back to our original discussion talking about Dougal assistant being the underlying thing. It's like these run Google assistant, but their nest products, right, and it was already a little confusing jewel homes goule hubs in. What was a smart display? You know, do still have this smirk display brand that is a brand that is the all encompassing. All these third party devices that are Google assistant enabled smart displays. It's just a very confusing thing. The only common drive is that people know is Google assistant. And it's very interesting that yes, I understand that the nest frame. Is very strong the strongest brand Google and get where do you put down the boxer his part of the brain question for you guys off the back of it? Then you take on the one hand you've got Google nest on what would just gonna cool this mess that's still to be unraveling, which the company themselves may not quite know exactly where this is headed. Although they did say to me this has been a company as in the works integral back into the fold. They've been really working fellowship since they've been working on his branding. And then you take all of that max. And on the other hand, you've got Amazon. I'm who I give them credit. Have they have their echoed products? And despite their products having multiple different lines. You know, it's an, you know, it's an Alexa. It's really it's completely categorize really could. They don't try and put this branding against third party products and stuff like that. Serve an echo or a fire. Unlike those of the tooth things you have one of that. And then you go you ring and everything like that. When you're in. If you're a regular consumer in stole does the confusing think the confusion of all of these next products in the way, this will be branded might end up driving people to woods the time because it's Egypt on the stand having worked in retail. If it's Egypt on the stunned, and you earn your best trying to make the puchased this most people will go I get that. I understand it. And it's not like everyone. I have to have the system on its I think a lot of it will fall on the shoulders of the of the marketing people advertise to convey, this message in the end on Google to actually see it through Redman we've seen not just go with a lot of companies will will say, hey, we're doing this rebrand than they don't put the money behind a necessary to push it in people's minds. Like, no, you call this a nest now, and as a result of this just massive conflagration. Confusion, and then yeah, everyone starts buying you know, echoes. So I think we that is a question that can't be answered right now. But that's definitely a priority that they're probably taking very seriously getting ready to spend a lot of money on commercials. It makes sense to have if you were starting from a clean slate. Nest equals home, Bronx make sense. Sure. The problem is that for his messy is Google the Google home sports legal system is it's it's got the brand cachet and it's been around. Finally, it's finally gotten there too. We're normal people buy these things especially with cheap. They aren't you know, everybody's gonna do a whole mini if they don't if they're not in Alexa household. They have twenty nine dollars people, mini or whatever that both vein got full hundred free. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly genucel. They just gave these things away and on top of chrome cast, which is already a little messy. So. So that that's going to be messy for like another year two years refineries and save on. But the Mets gets worse was is actually something that we didn't learn about until later this evening as part of this weird transition where we're also kind of in charge of this this whole setup the works with nest program, Sean been shuttered the works with this program for people who don't know has been third party integration program. Nest is had basically from the beginning for third party manufacturers that wanted to integrate into nest accounts, so people who made doorbells or thermal sensors, you put in your house or things that would integrate with the nest ecosystem in some way that could be applied to nests in a grander intelligent scheme, for example, of Hugh lights are part of the work programme such that when the nest thermostat detects that you are away. Hugh lights will turn on and off at random interview, intervals to give the allusion that you are home. Even though you you when you're set to away like Hugh innovates with that that whole thing was actually started in the works with nest program. So the shattering of that program means what that third party manufacturers have have to go directly through Google to to seek some kind of integration with with the products. And it also means that there's not a dedicated list of products where nest users can go, I know for a fact that these things work with my thermostat. Really, really? Well, is that was what the product list was was nested. If you buy these things, not only are they great because you know, we said, so, but they work in very specific integrated ways with the nest platform, there's a bigger issue because I read at the same point of the books nest being shot is the with goodwill system program. The two pots fudge the privacy part of it. Now in the pops, you could go I want to integrate these things great, and you've given that mission at this point, very specific thud Polly partners will be able to access data. But you've gotta go approve every single one is positive Premacy changes. But the big one if this than that because this in theory, at least while I was reading area could also be the death of this in the integration with next and everything else it's possible. If this that has pretty strong backing with other Google products so would do civic cold out in the aglow long. So it just strikes me as odd Google would would turn away from that. Because if this networks with so many other Google products, but of the one positive upswing, there is the the way that you know, longer will require both a nest account and a Google account in order to make some of the stuff you understand. That's a perfect example of understand how it can be helped. Full from like, a seamless building this on Nesty go system where it just works part. Right. But for people that wanted tinker in several different third party services in all kinds of things like that really make it happen. That's going to be more difficult for a little bit. And then hopefully, more integrated for probably a smaller number products and services, but more integrated going for I hope that that's the case. I think it probably will be I just think it goes into the what you were bringing up earlier is it would it really comes down to the next year. Basically for for this whole mess situation is is gonna be kinda clumsy to be really hard to talk about these product. Yeah, it's it's gonna be of interesting. So just pulled up. I want to bring this up quick. Because I thought I read this this was with Richie Chamba this variety. What have been the key thing is Chambliss said that the company replace much of if this than that? Functionality with its own goose, Google assistant routines will break if this than that integrations for anyone is using it would nest. In the meantime, if anybody could flip flop on this ABI, Google Bill. The bill. So they wanna replace it. That doesn't mean that both won't be possible. Sure. This is difficult ongoing. It will break it in the immediate future. Yeah. So okay. But I mean, like I said if this in that integrates into way way, more other Google products. I doubt that they're just going to flat out turn it off. That's kind of likely it's not impossible and goodness knows Google has done Wieder seven the past. But incident that you know, is is it works seventy other Google products. It would be weird for it to just on matting stop working with one or two. So something that's most interesting when we talk about we're talking about all this really deep in the weeds third party stuff. But the one new hardware announcement in this realm was the nest hub max alongside rebranding the current do a home hub as the nest hub mic sense. I guess. Didn't talk about third party anything. No, it was fully about by this product for two hundred twenty nine dollars put it in your kitchen for the you know, that's kind of what they're pitching as and look at all this stuff that it does right out of the bog with your Google with your account with your current nest products and your other Google home products and your Android phone it. Look it out this stuff just works. We had a really cool demonstration that showed a lot of things that it does Russell. And none of that was third party. No, we got a solid integration into a facial recognition where if you walked past the nest of magazine as a camera is a little home hub slash Nesta. Yeah. So you, you know, it caught your face and very much like voice match will only give you responses from your account based on your voice. You can get you know, notifications. And you know, things that apply directly to your account, your traffic and things like that. You know, when you walk by present, you information that is directly relevant to you. Antitrust. Yes. Gentleman, there's a chain and because it ties into Google photos. It's literally like that. Because when when the woman walked by her photos of her dog. Showed up on his life. So yeah. Literally like antitrust. That's very good point that while doesn't all the. No way does. But the the whole point there was being able to to kind of interact in the same way that the voice match, did, you know, to to be able to do things back and forth. Also, also got some duo integration. Where not only can you do the duo calls because the the video chat, but actually someone can leave you a video message through duo. And when you walk by a gives you a little pop up as hey, you had a voice video message from this person tonight view it or respond to it or just call them back, which was kind of cool and the camera is this all al-turah wide-angle hundred twenty seven degrees. Seven degrees field of you. Dash is a pretty decent field of you and Google using some software that it totally didn't steal from Facebook to to follow you digitally around the room. So essentially, you know us. Using a software zoom to creep on you. And then as you walk around the room, it just moves in when people come and go out of the frame, it changes the framing. Yeah. Interesting. You put it out that it wasn't. It. Didn't do a fantastic job. It is not as good as Facebook portal at this particular feature. Now granted there are so many other reasons to not use Facebook portal that nobody's ever going to know that. But this is clearly something that they saw Facebook portal went. Hey, we can do this in the version that they produced not anywhere near as good as the face before doing. But it's it's so far from the point about that camera for a second. Because when I went into deep dive with the thing is not just radio calls, visual recognition talk about the actual camera of it. Yes. But one hundred twenty seven degree field of you. And it does the regular things you expect from a next camera, but Walston next coming dole your next Cam, IQ and. Pretty much old the other next cabins do the security Paul really will go to great lengths to tell me that. No, this is not a replacement for anything. And the reason they try to make sure it's definitely not. There's no night vision in it. It's not a dedicate it's gonna be a dedicated security solution. They mentioned this yet you when you have a nest of max, you can tap into it just like a nest camera anywhere else in your in your house, and you can you add it works in the same way. You can push to it and say tell me what's going on in my kitchen right now. Agreed the other website is as well. And this is where I think it's gonna be interesting six months from now, you'll be able to watch everything you can do in the next step Nonni from the next up the nest have max, but from the Google home up is rent. So I can remember about I think we'll see both of those apps thought to mode integrate by this time next year. We'll have one app for it. And I think that might be a wide thing that we. Whatever was being done onto the next thing is now just gonna be done all within the single Google matter in that big to reduce the number of apps. You have melt there are two other features to this thing that immediately make it worth buying in my opinion. One is actually a voice feature which is going to be a part of the the home the the nest hub as well. When you set a timer or an alarm, and it goes off, you do not have to say, okay, G, stop and just say stop while while the alarm is going the microphone listening, and so you just say stop and the alarm will stop. You don't have to use the wayward waiver Google. Yes. But it's cone. Yeah. Any of the any of the things will have at work the other thing, I thought was it worked better than I thought it was going to you can watch TV listen to music and stuff on this thing and in doing so if you need it to policy second used hold out your hand. And it will detect your hand and pause. And if you want when you want to play again, you just repeat that action and the woman did it in multiple positions in the ruined Shanley. Very casual and it worked every time. I was really surprised this was on the video, right? This was in the video where we saw a live demonstration of it. And sell was surprised at how well aware did not expect it to after seeing the demonstration, and the demo that she gave we were in a room where the light was weird as light was coming in through through one side. And you know, it was just it was set up kind of like a little mini kitchen on purpose to give that aesthetic. But like this is that's the deal. Right. Like something happening, and I've got two hands full of meat loaf. In my kids are running through the room and something on fire, but I'm watching Babylon five. Yeah, I can reach my hand up and whatever I'm watching stops dry food deal with yet. I could drop me. Meet the gestures. Should've been right. That's exactly I said that was well that's a tweet not far away from being able to do things like ten Johann to change volume and things that one day. I do love about the nest hub which is coming near the smoke. Displays is the TV guide our YouTube TV every single day on all my products. And when you have a he had I don't mind touching my smoke display and stuff like that. It's easy enough to enough. I don't really wanna be taking a greasy hand using my phone because it's gonna be a nightmare. Typically, not rates just having a guide on on display. The I can scroll through programs on cooking. Whatever I never thought something so simple could bring me so much joy yet another night, so useful the nest max is introducing a lot of these new things are like trickling down other devices, well because it has a larger screen in as the camera in their thinking about where it's going to be positioned in the house. It's introducing all these new features more. Touch interaction. You know, the facial recognition hand recognition stuff like that. That was obviously not going to happen on the previous the home because didn't ever camera. But also because it had a smaller screen. Yeah. It was really more just for showing you things in you talk to it. This is introducing like there are good weight. There are ways that makes sense to interact with things based on the thing trying to accomplish. And what it gives back to you yet? Sometimes that's a hand gesture sometimes touch sometimes that speech. This does all three in different capacities of the one caveat that we'd it is going to require some additional testing in a room, though, isn't a weird plaster hut that Google assembled overnight audio didn't sound super great it. Oh, yeah. It got loud. It. It was not we should. So that's the thing just like neuro Saint earlier just because. The thing is large doesn't mean. It sounds great. This is two hundred and twenty nine dollars right it with attendance display multiple array, microphones and the camera. It's tough to think that the audio could be grant. I don't know how great it is. Like, I said the room was weird. It's not a Google. It's not. Four hundred dollar speaker this this, but I wouldn't expect this to be I wouldn't even expect this to be as good as the current generation echo show shirt because occur generation echoed the speakers on that thing punch kind of a little above a tweet, which is really the entire echo line right now. But the the the speaker of this thing is going to require some additional testing before I before I pass any kind of Arctic. But it was it was certainly loud. But but the the demonstration that we got was not great. I was in a room with somebody playing interesting punk rock. And he put put tenement down ten that down. I think it was seven or eight and he was on yet. It's very good one point. I want to just touch them. What you said on draw bring up is it still twenty nine dollars. And you're getting a small speak a you'll getting a small display getting nest camera. This thing doesn't do any of these things exceptionally. Well, there betta dedicates small displays on the market. There are there are a small speak is on the hung COMEX and they've got the better cameras. So you shouldn't go into this expecting it to have the best of all of these things just does all of relatively well. And I think if it's going to be as an entry point to all of these different bits it delivers on that particular price as long as the display is is close to his good as the nest hub that is gonna take some getting used does look pretty good. It does look pretty good. I the nest hub display is ridiculous. And they made a big deal about it at the time. Yeah. And interestingly, they did they continue to talk about with the nest hub max being a great photo for the frame flack. Yeah. But they didn't talk about all of like the screen to- shift in all that stuff. They talked about with the original, right? What would you home? Dot's old. They could that's all there was nothing. But his. It's worth highlighting. That is the feature on on the the home hub for reason. Like, there are no other home displays the GIS. Yeah. The the display on that thing matches the the lighting in the room and just disappears and also worth noting now only one hundred twenty nine dollars. Yeah. For the nest hub for home hub, get yourself amid one which is what the original Google home launched at. Yep. And now you're getting a speaker about as good as that. And he has this stimulus display, which is very interesting. So as the pair when you think about that, the speaker may not be fantastic on the home hub max to twenty nine like make sense. If you don't see the value there. You've absolutely have seat evalu- hundred twenty dollars for the the Nesta. Totally. I even just as a digital photo frame that I gave to to a family member like hundred thirty bucks is is what I. I had spent on digital photo frames for for family members and the been very good. They're not great. Yeah. They're they're kind of being. Being photos to be able to to set my grandparents up with the digital photo frame that I could control from my house just be like this folder and just constantly put new photos of the family in there to to rotate through them. They would be just the happiest creatures on earth question. The closest I come to carrying about any of this. Is that I have a limo. Smart. I bought for my parents, pre predominantly to function as a photo frame that you talk about they love it. And they love the Google home aspect of it as well. How likely do we think it is that manufacturers will continue to produce things like that those of us who kind of find the nest home hope design like a lot of designed kind of just not really my thing. What if I want to buy a cool? Bamboo backed Lenovo thing these part of they're gonna keep pace. So yeah. Actually that question again, very very uncommitted loan sucks. It was like, you know, we'll continue to offer. Whatever features. We can to all the Easter. Really? I think as we seeing just like with all of the democrat demonstration, everything as much as Google has always been if you look at like something like an enjoyed example. Yeah. What about policy and stuff like that? I think we're about to see. Google go. Hey, this is what happens when you buy with us and yet show if you guys will offer whatever pup options are all that. But to get some of the facial match stuff and things like that would not confirm whether you needed very specific holiday that been defined by Google, and my seek Mark of gut feeling is you do which I think would make sense. But they also said you need an incredible amount of compute Powell. And all these other things in the background that we can't go into which I think is going to be that come by choose to go so Sony happens when you buy products, the resulting being we'll see Essen less of those products happen. So we're not done with the hardware trained yet. I think each one of us here has spent a little time with the shiny new pixel inva- peel some plastic of all they'll get real close to the microphone. Let's. Oh, yeah. That's great, smells that chemical. The pixel three X L and the pixel three a pixel purplish one. I what a terrible name what why pixel three that'll matters. What else was going to be not close? But they might as well just been like this is the pixel three the the good one in the cheap one. You wanna know the difference between the good one in the cheap one is because none of us can explain it. And that's kind of thing. That's fascinating is that the this phone is is in some cases, four hundred dollars cheaper than than the normal pixel. And there aren't a ton of differences externally between these things like holding them side-by-side feeling them in your hand. You can look at a spec sheet and go, okay. One of these glass in the other plastic, but but holding them they darn good job with plastic. It's not like it's really that the grip texture that you're used to on the on the back of the pixel. It's still very much. They are still very much feels like last up top. It is not easy to tell. This is a cheaper pixel in Innova, not four hundred dollars TV. No. Yeah. It's it's really kinda vacillating now, no wireless charging and the camera is the same physical hardware, but Michael you had a separate conversation about that. There are some actual camera differences. Right. So the camera is the same. It's not just the same sensor. It's the same module like the lens every single thing about this camera is gonna go. I mean to thirty. Exactly. Right. So the difference comes when you go downstream from of course, one of the big the biggest differences on this device is that it has instead of Snapdragon eight four five at the heart of it. It was eight four five for pixel three around. It is a Snapdragon six seventy right. So it's a mid range processor, which means it has a different signal processor. And also, there's no pixel visual core do has the spectra image process inside at this. Well, spectra to fifty. Yeah. But it's not the same. Right. It's not this book. I'm just kind of what I've seen to baby. The here's the thing. That performance is shot pixel three next official three for for twenty four hours. Now, I have almost never been able to tell the difference in the output side by side from nightside to video stabilization to the portrait mode, which is still improbably good for a single ends phone, and I do not like fake portrait mode at all I really liked them pixel tree, and I like it on this. So it's amazing what they achieve and I did have a long conversation with, you know, the one difference that was able to say when you're taking a portrait mode shot this thing punches in a little bit more. We were talking about it zooms in three zooms in about maybe fifteen to twenty percent definitely are ready punched in to start with. Right. And so I'm like why did you do that? And they were like, well, we knew the customers didn't wanna sit there waiting for long processing times on on photos, which you already are waiting a couple more seconds on three than you aren't three. So what they did was punching a little bit more. And now we don't have to process any that fake Boquet around the edges of the image because we've zoomed in. So they're using all bunch of tricks like that to constantly sort of walk the walk the line between. Okay, our customer wants a pixel experience how much of a wait time will they put up with for that? And how much of a quality degradation will we be willing to deal with? And it's so close from camera perspective is the best foam camera. You can buy this price point one hundred without question. And they actually the use that exact up processing feels across the hardware yet. Because all of the things that you better act with feel very pixel three in terms of the the buttons are nice clicky, the hardware still feels solid the screen looks pretty good because let's be honest pixel. XL streams, aren't you know, amazing to start with? And the the fingerprint sensor is still there the exact same way and the hack Dick's are still good squeeze too system. Silvio all of that stuff you interact with the same fast. Charging the batteries are the same size. There's differences twenty nine fifteen versus three thousand really this whatever thirty five twenty versus seven there. Thirty seven hundred those functional things are basically the same carry down. So it's just a couple of spec. Things losing the Syria. Speakers gaining a headphone you still have started speakers just move, right? They wanna out for another front yard gain the headphone Jack in the process. Yes. The lost the Immel to mid level of build quality lost a little bit screen called any ingress protection as well. The and wireless charging as you mentioned. Yeah. But those are edge things when you're talking about saving four hundred dollars. I have a very. Fundamental question to honest about this because you take everything they've put in the big three and what they put in the big three. Either them all Jains were incredibly high on the pixel three them leading on this. Yeah. This is their high on the pixel three they are in every nine hundred dollars, even with the Muench pricing of this. I'm struggling to see how they gonna make even said a whole ton of him. Make a lotta money. Maybe it's not about making a lot of money. Maybe it's actually about set a benchmark for mid range in going you note on the need to go by the thousands on the functions as well. We'll give him the floor that part of it, sir. Really quickly. I think the part of it is as as you're just a perfect little barbs soap twirl of this thing that I'm thinking it looks exactly like pixel three. The camera like you said the camera module same fingerprint sensor saying all of these things are shared items. The Snapdragon six seventy sweeping them up off the off the factory floor. They have so many of these things. The same of ram storage. All of these things are all just bargain basement price components, and then you cut out the really high cost of making a very precision cut glass and metal exterior. I doubt that they're making much money on the thing. I don't think I don't think they're throwing money in in in the whole there. You can. I mean, we were just a jump in. But I think once you can sit up what the promotional if they're gonna use this promotion promotional stuff is like that's that doesn't factoring on a per unit basis with they're making here. The when you think about this thing as a single device there's nothing here that costs much money. We were talking earlier about how the Nokia seven point one is kind of the closest thing if even though there's not really anything that competes. Directly with these does three hundred fifty dollars that thing is built better than this. As better looking display them this and has higher specs, and you know, Nokia's not losing money on everything. One of those is sure it doesn't have the camera on you'll Google stuff. The like that things three hundred fifty dollars. You make some pretty damn good phones for about four hundred dollars. Now. I just you right. They're not making a ton. This is like a brand marketing exercise. Talk about availability. Lots of new places way, you know, the pixel lion brand marketing exercise right giving things out there like the next line before the pixel line and historically been a variety exclusive. And so this is this is been kind of a weird shift for this phone, and in fact, also with the pixel three pixel three will now be available in T mobile and sprint where has and US Elliott, and the pixel three will be available in all of those stores in all of those retailers as well as two or three other places. Yeah. The only one is is AT and T AT and T one AT gets the three a. What does it? No. I thought they just said into works on. If you buy it from the Google still rank the reason this is important because I don't know what the latest figures are at least a year ago the figures where that eighty to eighty five percent of US consumers still bought two vices from their carrot. Oh, yeah. This internationally might be confusing. Why such deal? This is huge. Also, just for the record. We understand that overseas. Markets have a lot better options at this price point, the US you had chosen the notice in that one and the Votto Z three play at this price ever for phones worth mentioning. So that's why this is so huge aside from the talks about this. When the three play came out as this was a really everybody was like well did just part of with horizon, or whatever it's like. Yeah. Because they needed to fill this price point. There was going to come down to whatever it's gonna. Be like fifteen to twenty dollars a month. They needed to fill that price point. Yes. This doesn't have a lot of competition. It's kind of in this no-man's zone between being above the budget and wave below the flagship or people just don't care what price it is. But carriers want to fill that slot. Shirt offered. Yeah. It's like not some trash thing. Keep in mind that this is going to be the phone that most people are going to walk into a T mobile store and see zero dollars down five bucks a month on top of their plan. Verita to have this phone like ballpark Scher those the actual prices. But like, that's yes, that's sixteen. Yeah. So yeah. So like nothing compared to brand new iphone or Brady Sampson. Right. The pixel three and no person behind the counter is gonna look at this and say like the the weird thing about this thing is the cameras stupidly. Good. Like that's going to be the thing is that you know, this. This is. A killer camera for this price, and they're so much user data right now that suggest that that is a thing that people genuinely care about the the camera quality on on the phone. And so I I really think that this even more than a brand exercise. I think that this is this is a potentially pretty significant play. Because I I just can't think of anything else that competes with this the thing you'd be you're right. Interesting thing about the pixel three camera while the picks with three cameras. I think we can I'm not spending anywhere near enough time. But based on everything have been reading and stuff like that, you could potentially look at go this. This is just an excellent camera. Non x camera for this price. Just whole you just got some very fundamental thing. Where if I'm gonna bring some non US thoughts to this. That thing will try just about anything ovary close to it at the price point of it in the UK. The exact same thing. Now, if you're able to somebody say someone boat, Omar good, I've seen all of these pictures. Everyone says the pixel threes great, and that I had it's thirty five bucks a month. Oh, that's a bit much. But hey, how about pixel three a does everything you because it will be sodas people are gonna go Egypt right yet? It's the same camera. None of the differences is at the same time. The holidays the same on. This was the is a couple of bits. But it doesn't matter. Look at such a great phone this. This could be the biggest ever play in phones, and my favorite certainly possible. A couple of people earlier today like the back to the the early days of the nexus because the the next line was was was a decent phone for the price. And then the price was always pretty low. But I think that you've nailed it in what you were saying that this is not for what was Eve's of our this is not a good photo of the price. This is a good phone like this is an into specially. A good camera. Is such an interesting version, isn't it upset of you. How often do we say like well for them price? Footsore sick of the words for the price. But usually we're talking about the cameras specifically like well, Bill gold is pretty good splits. Pretty good. The phone works phones. Pretty fast enough, you know camera but us three hundred bucks. This is like a couple of things are not that are not as great and I'd like to look better. But oh, you're all right. This is the best camera. You can get on a lot of people marketing that they gave us a tease of it was was the photo comparison tonight from three eight an iphone ten night in night sick sick for this. This four hundred dollars phone is gonna trash a lot of other phones in low light. And a lot of those other votes have thousand dollar price tags on them right now, we look at all the other phones of recent or still to come out. There are a lot of Google publis. Who I think you said will be kept up. Night by this phone more than pulling me. I think we might have to we'd much apple their nose and under central plus, but to bring some of the hang of this low. No. But I think those don't see yet from ten I was never going to be this priced. But you're gonna start to see some seriously competitive price on it. This thing could take the eat the ten biscuit as well. If anyone looking without the pike platform agnostic should put apples been this love before with the iphone SE, still what three nine I thought it was four hundred four ninety nine face the base model was three ninety restrain locate. Yeah, they've they've oversold. Old old old you have two or three generation that are pretty close. Right. But then we can't like we'll talk grain those. And this was the SE brand new started at three hundred nine was that clearly. A lot of people still three more generation. He did not. I mean, it's it's certainly valid point. The they also the I've had many for awhile. It very true can indicate failure good. It's funny that apple from financial perspective, Saul a pretty significant cut to its adoption rate. The this last quarter in in people picking up new phones because they're real expensive right now. And as I went around talking to folks today about this phone. This is a a splash of the bucket but ton of developers were super excited about this thing because it immediately for them became the phone that they recommended friends. Absolutely. You know, I would shoot somebody saying to me. Hey, I need got ten all I want the late something the lays while I may look as one plus sure. Those three phones this pretty much. I'm not gonna recommend someone buys a pixel three of that by three this pretty much beat the go-to phone for ninety five percent of people believe Andrew in that in that way. I believe Andrew Neta to'real addressing this earlier. I may have in that way. This is very much reminds me very much of what the next five was in wrestling before. Like man gets a lot of phones on the market back in those days. Next five did a lot of things right at three forty nine and certainly enough of them, right? From recommend it to a ton of people and has readmission. We were talking about the differences between the three in the three eight would compare the XL mouse to their lots of little complaints that you have with the three in three XL mostly because you hold it to a higher standard at its at its higher. Price woman, you paired to the the great competition around it this the three and three excel don't have much competition around it, you know, first of all, but also it just has the same shortcomings, basically as the higher end models. And you just can't complain about them at half the price. Your office at prices ridiculously compelling, right? I have a question could I don't know the answer to what what do you think comes closest overall to this device? Like, if you if you were to recommend seven point one is the only thing I can think of in the US. So if that's the case, then the sim that once still gives us Android one, which is close to the pixel experience gives us spender. What two years of guaranteed software update this agree because right, it's getting older at inferior camera to be sure. And the what what I mean what you don't give chap deke's you. Don't get. I don't know if it has the same level of fast charging. So is it. Okay. So like in wireless writing. So is there any situation where he recommend the no kid seven one member? This. This thing transit, but me great. But sorry. Yeah. I would win all says there. I guess is the rest of the question question is take something like a one plus sixteen at five sixty right or can XL which is eighty AM. Even the three say the three. A excel as the bump less extreme. I would recommend it. Yeah. And then you just market you looking at the five hundred six hundred dollar market where it's the the like it's blurry at six hundred dollars for the still like, for instance, hunches at something incr-, much, whoa. What does this dog to eat the pixel three magi? It's like being the good was happy to take that situation. Obviously a couple of things just so that we don't get. So I don't feel like such a boost wrist front. Second the battery life is untested so far pixel three was certainly not out performing that new. So not expecting wonderful things though. I don't know much about the efficiency of the six seventy you do lose the duel, selfish, selfish cameras is not as wide on three. A they went right down the middle though that you know, they had a seventy five degree in ninety seven degree on the pixel three. And the excel the eighty four degrees. That's solid. Yeah. It is. A couple of things I would like to like to test out before we before. I really dislike all we put a crown on this right now. This is going to be the thing that I do recommend everybody. Instead of what I do now. Which is like, yeah. Can I can I give you a one? Plus, you know, I can I can I recommend this one plus five t or this. You know, six this is before we do that. I just wanna spend another few days, but if it performs said this video performs as advertised man, this is going to change this tire sector of the market, including as you say Russell. One or two hundred dollars on either side of the four hundred and one thing we have to remember the because I agree with you. It does take more time. We all thought that the pixel three in pixel three XL where fast inefficient in stable. Ryan had no bugs and the apps. Rothen tastic on it and six months later. Still that great even after several updates and lots of changes that cameras still not fast. It is buggy. There is instability the battery life is not great. They're all these little things, of course, things you can look past a little bit when it's four hundred dollars less. But if any of those things are present here, they will be revealed in a shorter amount of time running on the same ram. And oh. I'm in for a second. Yeah. You look at the rest of Android. Six eight ten twelve go knows when we'll get to a terabyte. This would not far off. Let's be honest pixel full three four three three. So. Yet, Android itself. Consistently uses more and more around with every update with all of these things that about computational power with Google assistant on this is always going to have a system on the phone. They've gone before gigs event, which I don't think they could have gotten more than that. Because because they come knock knockdown pixel three. Six to twelve months from now is it going to be still be usable by is it going to be usable? Or is it going to win have turned into non pixel devices will happen with your Chinese full of so much. So that the thing is so buggy that you just wanna take Royal about gay. That's legit concern. All all add onto that that the one thing I'm genuinely letdown batters those sixty four gig options, your only option as this thing came no reason, why the they save money can actually make money on this thing. Right surprised. There have been three colors coming out of the box restoring from pixel three backup. This thing has twenty three of those gave already claimed back up to photos, whatever whatever. But you know, doesn't have limited original quality Google photos backups either. No just hype per humus didn't know that still a perk regular, it's still a perk. Lifetime lifetime unlimited original lifetime. You want isn't it? No while. Lifetime of the device. So whatever whenever he goes. Well at unlimited quality or original limited quality. Yeah. So. Yeah, move things. Yeah. But mad again pretty is. Verdict isn't there yet? But Jane, it's a lot easier. When you recommending to regular people were prices such a higher factor when we talk about phones internally. And makes it so easy to to want to recommend it. So I have a question for you guys. It's no three ended some rappers way start rapping about. There was so much happened. I out tonight big small huge. Tiny little microcosm announced was Russell said. Very getting won't see the ofa six to twelve months. Biggest announcement you'll best you'll favorite announcement from today. What my favorite announcement from today are rather the thing that I think is probably the most impactful is all of the stuff that got surrounding speech to text which for for the uninitiated that we got a range of things one is alive transcriptions life captions in in any form of video coming to injured Q. So it live video is playing I could be having disturbed line. Having off line could be one of Mr. Mobile's videos could be phone call. That's coming in could be anything like that. You can push the volume rocker push button and any audio that's coming from the phone will have cash ins of which is super super cool on. There's also a way to integrate that into a not duplex. But the the auto answering system in pixel so that's so that in a way that is is not not similar enough. But but a reasonable facsimile of the. System that that deaf people use to to communicate via phones through you know, through that auto answer system being able to to use Google assistant to to live transcribe in have the things that you want to say typed into a keyboard actually spoken from that answering system to the person who is on the other end of the call are super important, and then just a tremendous amount for for speech impaired people to be able to use Google assistant in the future by having them speak for hours into a test system that you of using in order to create, you know, very kind of niche case small of group transcriptions for people that really need it. But it's impossible to get those things on Ed scale because there may be only a couple hundred thousand people in the world that had that particular speech impediment. And that that you know, we will. Has a whole dedicated effort toward that I found all of that in this kind of umbrella just incredibly powerful for for just the general future of Ebeling so many different people to use their their phones in in really important ways. Even the just to item to that would be the things where you in developing countries, whereas the translations where it's like, hey, this is big sign that's written English. But I mean, you know, I'm in rural India Nikon understanding, but I can get an old translated back to me in my language. They showed us a video of an Indian woman who did not know how to read would never learned and was using her phone to scan recipes on the sides of boxes to to read her children for port cards to you know, to to translate science to access information from the ATM machine. So that she could actually use the machine and it. Was this world altering thing for her to have her phone able to speak these words her, and, you know, add context of these things and yet, so totally agree. Just this monumentally powerful thing that none of us are going to think of his none of us are going to be in that situation. Google doing what Microsoft's out do his house world lends ten years ago debt with Mary j Foti saying we want to connect the next billion device. Never believed him truly believe that Google's actually trying to make phones do mode. I won't be said for yours. It's no longer about the tech. It's about what it can do for you. When our point by one of this stuff is actually going to change the way people live their lives. Doing just doing at to to a greater degree. And it's it's easier to see because more people have it. And that's good. There are now two point five billion active injuring devices. Yep. That's up there. Yeah. That's a lot of we didn't get a cute little video of the Android figure taken off in a rocket ship or something to this benchmark. No, it was just next line. And I'm a little. Yeah. It was very much in the same way that they haven't updated the introduce bution dashboard until today, and they never will again. They just were like to that important anymore point five billion and also timbers of active devices are and okay, great. We'll see that number go up as Google. Add more restrictions weedy everything on when you do. Go you go you're going to do that. You gotta do this venture can be controlling mothership, of course, Android Butch everything will have good good imbed reasons. Yeah. So Mr. mobile, what was your biggest thing? Three for the reasons. Already stood. That's -portant. Important. Hurtig to come. Mr. bubbles YouTube channel, even if it's a total total disaster area. Somehow it was still for me. Clearly, the most important one of the show not just begins for his of my beat is all mobile, but because I really really think this is the beginning of massive cease state shift which is difficult to say in the in the mid range. And it's exciting to see my biggest thing is something that we didn't dive into here because it's still very broken not finish it all which is the new features and injured cue that they announced. Yeah. That honestly, I I've been playing with on the pixel three, and it is so just still not finished. And so they announced dark theme for the entire face. And you can just talk on off or have come on a medically. That's great. But just doesn't work with all of these apps because apps are not designed for yet right in the biggest example of the same type of thing is. Excuse me. The new gesture navigation, which is off by the fault. Even in the beta which really tells you something that brings in. It's just the iphone ten interface swipe from home swipe up and hold shift left right to switch apps. And gesture areas coming in from the left side or the right side for back and you can do back swiping in from the left or the right. And that means that you can't use wiping gestures from the left side to open a hamburger menu gotta go. Now that means it's back. Gotta say it took me all of a minute and a half. I will die on this hill in Zing. You'll die of I thought I'm not gonna lie. John this one what he's not gonna injured. I talking about earlier I'm not convinced at ton of people actually use this wipe in thing. I think tap the hamburger button. I'm certainly willing to be wrong. Please. Don't add me. But I I took me all of a minute of using the beta three preview to really get comfortable using that swipe to go back in it just felt supernatural. I die on the hill. That goes Icees your reason gestures. I like the buttons when I can just do what I wanna do. Adding with all the extra screen, we stay adding whatever have many pixel rows of what is it seven rose under twenty whatever the hell, I'll have much you lose for the simplicity of his about his recent his this can do his do that without having to go. What's it? Switch over that stuff. Listen, listen came in yet switching to wheels. And you're gonna have to get the main. I do say tires the other finding the second the footing. My second book is here's his on kind of got used to feel that we're all firmly on the record is. Agreeing with each other hundred percent greatest trashy of today is that a Google didn't just steal Motorola's limitation of gestures. The only one that makes this was there was nothing that said this was the thing they said onstage. Everybody's doing something different. We're trying to take the best ideas and make that make the standard, and it is my contention that they have. Attempt to roll is idea. It is the best way to do. Gesture. Just go into a store and use those e three wheels get Jesse. If you also feels like it needs to it needs to be improved change still what they're showing what they're doing is is not feel finished of. Yeah. Google's it feels funky. It just doesn't feel right yet. And that's why can't you really fully judge it and the other problem being there they'd have to tell developers to change their apps to work with it. Last year, we said as a year ago while the pie this this digestive pill this pill thing we're, but you know, what it's early. Sure, they'll in these. If it doesn't open motto what Google does be underway Q, these OEMs can still do it their own way. Now, they yeah. That dick fundamental of would try to bring this and make unified. It's not gonna amount of biggest ever will do whatever they want. They'll make it unified. If they make it better than every solution to joke the rabbit hole for second as much as I think the three it was great from today. I loved it without I think the big changes of all the Google system changes as big incompetent thing nonsense from today. All right. Where were were in the gesture so we have purple phone less? Exciting them purplish phones. Well, a lot of cool stuff today. Wanna nests lot of nests? Lot of other things were undoubtedly going to be talking about for the next couple of weeks at least gentleman it is beyond eleven o'clock on the west coast, and we have two more days this exciting conference, Google, always always a fun thing for all of you listening home. Please hit us up on on Twitter with what you think was the most important announcement from from Iowa, we definitely wanna hear it. So that the we've got your thoughts here. And as always thank you for listening aware. Can we find everybody you can find me on Twitter at Andrew Mertz, Nick MARTA, O N, I K at me. It's. You don't. So at me at the Mr. mobile T, H E R. We'll be eilly. I like hanging out on Instagram. Hang up there. 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Will Google's "Feature Drops" save the Pixel?

Pocketnow Weekly Podcast

23:43 min | 1 year ago

Will Google's "Feature Drops" save the Pixel?

"You know a part of the reason why our jobs are so awesome is because we can pretty much do it from anywhere like right now. I'm being a little bit quiet. This could be a little bit of a quiet podcast because I'm sitting inside of what can only really be described as a unique hostile this book in Bed Tokyo. And Yeah Yeah. I'm trying to be quiet because not only are these actual cubbies where people sleep. It's like capsule hotels and whatnot It's also themed like a bookstore so it's pretty crazy anyway. Hello everybody and welcome to the pocket. Now weekly podcast. I'm your host Joshua for our of what's going on everybody Again I am coming to live from Tokyo right now. Just spending a few days here after we're still reeling from the Innovation Day event that happened in Shenzhen China last week But as far as today's episode is concerned I am going to be talking about a couple of pieces of news. I came out from Google. This past week Mainly the fact that they have what they call future drops which are bigger updates that are meant to be happening more often On top OP of all of the monthly updates that you might be used to seeing on your pixels and on some other android phones and then finally I bring back our friend David because he and I are actual users i. I'm not wearing them right now but he actual users of a pair of smart wearable glasses called the focus by north and while we were inching in China north actually announced that they're going to stop production of the Gen one glasses because Jim to is on the way and there are a number of updates about that that we're really excited for a google. It did their first effort. What they called the Pixel feature drop and that language is really interesting to me? I'll talk about it in a little bit but basically what Google is trying to do here. is roll out out to not only security patches every single month but the Pixel I features are going to start appearing and if you have a pixel four and any other pixel you might be getting features that most other android devices sizes. Don't have and you might be the first people to actually enjoy them. This particular future dropped the first one ever added in a couple of futures on the camera side including the addition addition of Blur in the background. When you're using the Google photos APPs text that it's more or less a portrait it'll be able to add that blur in and then there's also automatic call screening So if the suspected spam caller icon is of is on a particular call. That's trying to come in. It'll just go ahead and screen that call for you without you. Having to press that button which is kind of cool. Google duo is going to get smoother. Video calls especially when the connection is not exactly stable But also who's using Google. Do I think that the security updates are something that you can find on pixel phone and other android phones and you have that bidder sense of mind but as far as actually feeling like you're on the cutting edge of using pixel device. Well this is exactly the kind of thing that Google needs to do or to make it feel that way because let's face it the Google Pixel four the Pixel xl. These particular new pixels have not gotten the warmest reception then from everybody Partially because of the battery life and also the fact that some of the features don't really feel like they're on par with other android flagships So what Google might be doing doing here is creating features on the fly. I don't know if it's really on the fly. Hopefully it's not going to be half baked or anything like that but they're going to create features that you can get on a more regular basis this in these future drops still doesn't fix the fact that the pixel four dozen have a wide angle camera. It's video quality has just basically fine. It's okay it's not bad it's not it's not the best first and then of course the obvious place that you might be getting these updates will be in places like Google assistance Like for example the screen calling the automatic screen calling that we just talked about. But here's to hoping that it's going to end. Ended up being a little bit more exciting as these future jobs. Go along after all. They're using various specific form of language here using the term drop. Okay so I've been in China For the last week before that I was in Hawaii now I'm in Tokyo which is actually kind of a fashion capital in and of itself. And Yeah I've really seen a few people people running around with like supreme shirts and hats on and that is the reason why I kind of laugh at this whole language. The fact that they're using the term drop so feature drops so google is probably going to end marketing. These things a little bit more because you when you talk about a future drop. You're trying to create hype around it. So you're pretty much telling everybody get hype. Future drop is on the way and then on the day. Hey it's like yeah. We dropped these few things into your pixel for Pixel Excels And other pixels hopefully but yeah the term drop is so funny to me because it is literally a hype up term. I don't know if people are going to feel that way when they actually get these on a quarterly basis. So if you have a pixel you haven't pixel for anything like that and you hear the word drop are. Are you going to be excited for those features and again. We don't know what they're going to be until the drop actually happens and again let me just reiterate the question from before let me know what kind of features you want to see in these his future drops as there's something that you want to be fixed on the Pixel for or is there a future that you think that Google should be trying out more and if you have a pixel you get to try it out before everybody else. While that'll it'll do for the First Section of this podcast I'm GonNa go ahead and head over to our ad break and then we'll talk about focuses by north two point. Oh is your wifi feeling pretty old does it buffer lawyer streaming disconnecting new devices. Slow it down actually can handle gaming video calls large file transfers and you know what can handle it all at once. It doesn't matter how faster Internet is if your Wifi router is old and outdated. That's true with orbit Wifi six from net gear. Your Wife. I will feel new again so this is all all about Wifi six. 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So if few are really big into wearables and you might know about smart glasses there are a few iterations out there Ones that are not out yet and one in particular that we're going to talk about in a second doc in that is pre prevalent the focus by north Just recently I just a few people in New York hanging out with hallway and talking about the hallway gentle monster glasses So that's another form of wearables that we're starting to see more and more often but focuses by north seems to be one of the most storied products in this category. And for good reason it's one of the only ones that actually does a visual based wearable smart technology so David of Andhra Authority and myself we actually got fitted focus four focus by north and we both are still trying to get our four reviews out on them It's just been a really busy time But we went through the whole experience of actually going to one of their stores getting fitted for getting that three D. scan done And then we got our actual focus by north and we've been using them for the last couple of months on and off But this past week focus by north are actually out of production the first at least because north is going to start making version that is actually slimmer smaller sleeker and probably more accessible to a a lot of people so I brought David a melon and we talked about focus by north as we are to people who've actually used these glasses on the regular so it seems the hype train is is officially rolling again now only because this past week we saw that the findings on the way but apparently there's finally going to be not finally but there's going to be a oh no A. V. Two of these here thanks to extend all right so you're wearing yours I'm opting for my usual glasses just for it just for the sake of illustrating what these vocals look like in the box so yeah they're kind of big but I think the reason why we're so excited for them is because we're GonNa get a slimmer version. What has your experience been like what you're wanting them right now? They look good on you. I mean honestly we got them fitted at the dam so like number number one. This fulfilled a fantasy. I had where I've always wanted to wear glasses and I actually went to get my eyes checked a couple weeks ago just because I was like I haven't done this fifteen years and maybe I'll get to wear glasses. I have perfect vision. These are awesome for me because like they give me an excuse fused to her glasses fair and there's nice accessory overall. I think my least favorite thing with them is that they they have to be pretty specifically position on your face now. Luckily in a more recent immigration the version we got because they change these constantly making them they made these back parts bendable. Apparently these didn't used to be malleable. It's it's really funny that you mention that because I still use my little glasses last act. See this is the thing I'm the. I'm the one who actually needs glass. So that's why I was excited to get these because not only am I going to be using an item that literally benefits me every single day but but now they're smart so you can see these prescription glasses. So I have a few different pairs of glasses including the focus by north. I also have the boasts frames which which I do want to do a video to. Yeah I want to video on them on my channel as well And then I also have another one that has like bone conduction. But they're definitely not that great to be honest But yes the little hack that I do now see. Unlike new ones are actually in fold like traditional glasses really the photos. I saw a graphic but it was open. There's two photos. There's one where it's closed and thin enough for they actually can do this okay. That's dope that's useful. I'm so excited. This is my a little hack for anybody out there. That wants to make sure that the glasses don't move at all and this is really useful for heavy glasses like these smart glasses. These are called coupons. Yeah they're really hooks. Take Me Yeah I highly recommend them honestly. Yeah all right so I guess my question here is in your experience and I'll share mine and a little bit did did did focus or rather north. Prove that smart. I wear because we're starting to see more. I think some of our friends were actually taking a look at hallways Gentle Monster Glasses cool. Look look so cool. It's not anyway Yeah you know I have to give them a ton of credit Because I was so sad when Google glass didn't work out because the future smart I wear was so exciting for me. I remember almost spending literally more money that had at the time in college to buy a pair of of Goo glass well. The thing is I was sad by them because it didn't look very good. I mean there's a reason. They bought coffee glass walls. Who Wear them? Yeah yeah at least these look like proper. Gotten you know I've been. I've walked around on the streets of New York in this and got yelled at by people. Sailing Margot's you I don't know but like you can only really tell they're smart less as if you look at them from the side and the front the Front these look pretty normal and there's just a little thick the only thing they're gonna be. Yeah the gentle is GONNA be thinner. Yeah so like you have to have them position pretty specifically but if you do do and they stay on their face in the same position which they have for me now that I've gotten kind of the back thing correctly. Yeah it's pretty cool And I think they are going to refine the way that you see. The image just hoped the little area that you see where the projection is coming is reflecting back to you a little bit bigger because like you said it has to be positioned perfectly so that your line is directly in area. It's small and pretty specific So it's not completely clear isn't usually pretty hazy. You have to align it and if you get correctly it'll work out but sometimes it just drifts and yeah I don't know I think I wanNA give them a lot of credit regardless though because I don't think that the smart glasses like industry would have kept evolving and if it wasn't for them they're like one of the only ones actually pushing it forward. Wally has announced some smart glasses and apparently they had them at this Christmas party in New York that I missed. Yeah I was saying that too. I was like looking at the the gentle monster glasses. There aren't the audio based okay. They're not which I'm generally okay with. Yeah visual visual forward smart glasses. I mean focused by north is really the only one that does yeah. You know for me like I don't necessarily want more notifications in my taste but I appreciate the things that the smart glasses could do like Google maps directions for me. That's the biggest thing if I can take my phone out less just to like get around. That's frigging awesome. Yeah and they have to give them credit because they add new features like constantly like I started working on my review but I keep having to like pause because they keep releasing big feature though. Yeah that is part of it. So like recently the futures he's talking about. They had like twitter threads going up so it's based upon. I used that as a decent okay. So it's based upon the threat that you started right so you could just see replies applies to your replies but you can reply voice to okay. Yeah that's right. There is a Mike on here. There's a very tiny speaker that you could just hear Goff. When you're like chimes chimes align it's kind of loud people can hear it so I generally turn that off if you had anybody actually look at not? Just look at you weird but notice that you're let's say reading the notification. Yes because you kind of go cross eyed when you do because you have to like both your eyes have to look in this direction so you can link yeah circling. I wore them fun of me when I'm looking. I wore them at two weddings and it was funny because I got a text from the city that I live in to do a survey on the city that I live in some kind of weird so when I got a text I was like what and I had this like. Look in my eyes. Like what am I reading. And and then in the ceremony and Ijaz looks at me and she's like what did you get what happened and it was funny because when I reacted it was after the pastor said something so it looked like I was being credulous to what the pastor say so I was just like no I gotta I gotTa thing on the glasses so where do you land on the the ring on the ring. I like doing a lot not because I think that I think it could may be be more rounded maybe in the end to make it more rounded and less like Scott. This weird thing I did have someone asks they said like. Hey what's ringing wearing. That's kind of cool so it doesn't look bad. Yup I think it's a good way of interacting with a device Because it's something that doesn't really get in your way. I have noticed that like if I'm typing sometimes there's a line yeah I've actually had to reposition from time to time. I know that this is the this is the classic Way of doing it So like the point is pointing up. And you have the controls right where your thumb woodland. But I've actually had like upside down and reconfigured it a little bit this okay. Smart Smart Glasses aside. I just had a thought one time when I was using this ring. Why don't they make smart rings that have like this low joystick and do vibration feedback for notifications like as a true minimalists? Smart where he might just. Oh you mean in. That's just the ring because this kind of proved to me that this is another portion of the spectrum that people could look at wearables. You're looking at like I have a sleep tracker on my other hand right but this could be cool where he's in the same watch but yeah I mean like I guess. I think it's probably because of battery size. Probably vibrations probably take up most of the battery in this. And that's why I don't use vibrations on this and the battery and this is probably so frequent tiny. That's true already dies kind of quickly. It lasts like a day and have which is actually kind of true with the glasses and general. The battery life is not amazing. Also look how big this case is just to just to charge it up again. I would say what I WANNA see in the Gen two is I want them to be waterproof because apparently they're not if it starts randomly raining like I. I haven't broken mine from the rain but they got word well. I've worn them in rain. They've they've gotten worn down and then also there's these like these metal pieces here and there like pretty what does the word exposed got rain on them and then they got arrested. No and then there's also these like the context here charging taking charge them so I don't know Jen to is super exciting to me. I hope that we can get some reunions for those final thought on these. Did you see see these glasses as as they were marketing. them sort of as a way of adding to your It's kind of weird using this race but adding to your digital wellbeing Because you want to look at your phone as much as you like. I know I wasn't that was that was honestly. My experience with them. Is that one. The notifications were coming in. I felt good knowing that I saw at least part part of it and I didn't need to get my phone out as much. I think it depends on how you use it. I think all wearables are like up to you to have good digital wellbeing health like I don't have notifications on L. Miami band either because I hate notifications locations so I would like to see them less no car so for me. Smart wearables are mostly just for like important stuff directions things that will make my life smoother without having to take my phone out. I do like when I when I do. Use them invitations on them. Because like you said not taking your phone out and being completely distracted by something in front of you and kind of passably being able to check information is useful and does fell. Feel better when I used to wear injured where watches watches. I liked the fact that I could be having coffee with someone. And if my wrist with buzz like I can just glance like for half seconds and see what was going on without being really taken taken out of conversation often we live in this world. Where like you get nervous now when you get enough occasion if if you're like it's hard like I think we're all we've all been there where you're like you're having coffee someone or whatever and your phone buzzes in your pocket and takes a lot of mental power to not just reach for what it is like the messed up part of notifications? Do you agree with that but like I said you know if if if you can eat that a little bit by just seeing the tiniest raven it which I think it does yes. I do agree with that. All right well vocals by North Gen. Two is on its way in two thousand twenty four percent lighter forty percent thinner it's still gonNA use the projection technology and all details are going to be coming soon. Hopefully she's got that email this week in just one. Esp should try to me up with one hundred percents We'll we'll hit them up. And then yeah look forward to our full reviews on these on our respective channels. Yeah that's let's go ahead and get into our next part of the show all right. Let's go through some of your comments from last week's episode. It was a long one. It was one of those special event discussion episodes conversational episodes or of course he had me yet. Highway coming into the show Oh And then you had Michael Fisher Mr Mobile Hands Super Saf joining as well. All four of us were at the QUALCOMM Texoma talking about all the announces that they had. So let's go in and go through some of the top comments. What's this reminds me of avengers assembly? You know what I don't really know who would be what superhero from the avengers. I know everyone's going to say that. Michael Fisher's Tony when he started But in my case I don't know Maybe I'd be Wong. I bought a oneplus seven pro not long ago all wait so we had a couple of generations of five G.. Before I dipped my toes into it I really do agree with this if you listen to all the way to the end of the episode and by the way if you did thank you so much we did say that right now may not be the best time to get a five G. phone own because we don't know exactly what five G. is going to look like once it's everywhere I mean there's already talk about sub six millimeter wave and all that stuff you might be seeing more and more videos coming coming out right now on youtube about that very dichotomy But yeah right now if you gotTa Find G. Fun because you can great But we'll see what happens maybe a year or two down the line when five G. becomes more prevalent. It's funny how all three of your running shorts but SAF is like nope it's damn cold in the UK. Well it's funny. You say that because we were in Hawaii at the time so it was actually pretty warm. came out it was the warmest it's been in this big trip that I'm doing right now. It was Hawaii which was then. We went to Shenzhen for Oboe Innovation Day with was kind of cold there. Now we're in Tokyo Keo which is experiencing. It's winter at the moment. It's not snowing but even if the sun is outside it's pretty cold out one of our good friends thunder e of bored at work chimed in. It's it's an eight x plus processor the pro X he's talking about the surface pro. X has a smaller battery. And that's why the battery life is not that great. You know what I have to say. I am using the surface Chris pro x right now just to do this portion and I've been using it to write scripts for all of my videos Recently and I have to admit the design of this thing is so great and the battery life. It's not so great. I agree. Everyone has been saying that already. And that's what I've been experiencing But to be honest this is one of the best experiences I've had just on the writing side. If I was just a writer and I wasn't doing videos like this I would love having the pro x on me. The keyboard is really nice The fact that I can fold it up and use it as an entertainment system 'cause I downloaded a bunch of netflix videos on here all of it has been really good so I'm actually really happy with it but I understand why people are not so convinced Heim as the kind of guy that when he's upset he's upset. Trust me you have not seen him upset. Five G. in London is very fast which is good for downloads but browsing the Internet. You can't really notice much of a the difference. Okay I can see that That is one of the bean use cases that people have right is the fact that you can download a whole season of Netflix. Show in like five minutes or something like that. Let me know if your experience has been like that. If you're back on this particular episode follow up with me on that As far as browsing the Internet. Yeah I mean we've worked really hard or rather. The tech industry has worked worked really hard to create faster more optimized websites and that way the load up really fast even on Lower end devices for example so it makes sense to me that Internet browsing not too much of a difference look the nerds from Big Bang theory. Okay real quick. I just want to respond to this. Because even though Raj is technically Asian they didn't really have an Asian member in the Big Bang theory so this is a little bit different all right well with all of that. I'm going to go ahead and call it on this. Thank you so much for listening to the pocket weekly podcast and for watching it over over on the Youtube Channel. I hope we don't care. What sort of quiets more? I Guess Chill episode because I'm trying not to disturb too many people at this unique hotel that I'm staying right now. It is basically a capsule hotel. But it's themed like a Bookstore so I'm trying to be quiet because generally in places like a library you WanNa be talking too loud anyway in any case you can follow my guest on on this episode. David Amal fellow friend best friend is person. I'm actually traveling with right now. In Japan you can follow him on twitter at d'oeuvres Immel and then you can find him on Instagram at David and then of course you can follow me. I'll probably be posting a lot from Tokyo from Japan over the next three to five days But Yeah you can follow me on Instagram at. JV Tech T. and on twitter at JV detective. Because you know me I'm JV tech. And I love to drink some tea. 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Tech Tube Rewind: Best of 2019

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Tech Tube Rewind: Best of 2019

"Sponsored by curiosity stream now with Nebula this is my list of the best tech videos of two thousand nineteen others others will have their own lists their own videos. That meant the most of them. It's very likely I missed or simply forgotten a bunch of objectively outstanding videos. These are the ones that I saw and have stuck with me though. Not The most popular though. Certainly some are not the most produced those summer that too but the ones that changed how I see the World How oh I think about this medium and how I work I absolutely want to see any and all that I missed though so please drop all of your list in the comments below but for right now I'm Rene Ritchie and this list is mine. This is a collection of the same basic components processor speakers microphone but gibault was made to be companion and for all the things he failed at. It's only in saying goodbye to Gebo that we realize his greatest success. Michael Fisher isn't just a friend and a colleague. He's a performer. In the most classical sense of the word he has craft and nowhere. was that more on on display. Then in how Jabot the robot succeeded by dying. It's one of several videos. He's done about how social robots we bring into our lives only only to have the server side companies that bring them to life slowly painfully. Put them to death right in front of us. I want to say I've really enjoyed our time together together. And you very much for having me around. I didn't think I could have an existential crisis watching a youtube video but Mr Mobile Punch me right in the emotion motion ship with this one. Okay okay okay. I got the red boxing across the top of my dream Yar which means that we are I should be Vajpai. Isn't a single video but an almost constant livestream. I've joked viper streams so much even history or streamed and and those are streamed but on all streams he brings together some of the most interesting people in the industry and then just let them share. What makes them so interesting? Sure he he talks tech but he also talks about how people make videos the business of Youtube and the issues people face in it Christina. I know you've been trying to figure out the direction your channel Elliot. How are you how you doing with that? I've gotten to a point. Where if I don't enjoy the video if I don't enjoy the editing or shooting process basis then I'm just not going to do it? Promotes other people. Not just the biggest names or the hottest topics but an incredibly diverse range of people from all different backgrounds with with all different views. It's an amazing body of work that just keeps growing and becoming even more amazing. I mean those place existed. I'M GONNA have my credit. oftentimes Youtube seems to love traditional media. Even more than their own homegrown talent just look at how TV talk show clips clips dominate recommendations and trending lists Hollywood kind of looks at Youtube. The way papers used to look at blogs only youtube enables that in a way that blogs seldom did so seeing a youtube original with not just one but two tech Youtube Originals Marquez Bradley. MK Bhd.. And just in his Eric I just dean seen the ADS. It's so great. They don't make them like they used to open it up and involving one of the most original beloved pieces of tech in history. The MAC wasn't wasn't just terrific. It was important. I was informed that there is a show setup to tell stories were blindness was the normal world and those who were considered outcasted. Or maybe I was intrigued to find out what this meant for the representation of my disability. I invited my friend. Kristy to assist meal travels and we headed off coup for Canada to the set of C. The reason James is legally blind and his channel in part covers accessible assistive technologies and very few others do or can accessibility is something not everyone thinks about. But it's something almost everyone will have to contend with if not not constantly like James then sometimes intermittently sometimes suddenly but pretty much always eventually. I am happy to report that there was a real effort. Meet cast as as many visually impaired actors within this election as possible. James's work helps all of us consider it and maybe do more to help spread awareness about it not one day but every day Steve Jobs was a visionary a mind and a personality that almost through sheer will put apple on the map APP and solidified. Its legacy he wanted. What's best for apple by doing what he believed was best for consumers and that is why he hand picked picked? Tim Cook to be because Tim Cook is what's best for Apple. You can agree or disagree with the premise of this video. Feel like Steve Jobs would never do do what Tim Cook has done. Or Steve Jobs never would have been able to do what Tim Cook is done. That doesn't matter. This isn't about anyone's opinion. This is about John Processors. There's opinion and what matters is how well argues it in a video. That's so very different than the candy. Typically post on an almost daily basis innovation is great important to needed for every industry but you cannot force the wrong type of innovations the efforts in the wrong places on the market. They didn't ask for. It isn't ready for it yet. It's the kind of video the challenges not just preconceptions. But misconceptions and the kind we need much more of it's a weird selection of smartphones on the table. You read the title of this video. You're like it's controversial. It's intense yeah. I mean I gotta take some responsibility for that unblocks. Therapy has been controversial for iphone giveaways becoming fadeaways bending things with apple logos on But Not Samsung and recently for the way they launched their new but familiar phone case lineup but Lou from inbox also presented something of a personal revelation this year. You're a rock credible. Video discussing how he's handled sensationalism in the past and how he wants to skew far closer to substance in the future. Am I taking a moment to kind of embrace my own personal enthusiasm with tech or am I trying to do the job immediately of finding those nitpicks and I think there's there's a balance to to be had there now. UNBLOCKS has more subscribers than just about any channel in tech. Ludin have to make this video. He could just keep on keeping on but whether nothing nothing changes or everything. Does sharing ideas like this. Having this conversation with the unblocks audience makes everyone not just think about the nature of tech coverage but think again uh. Hey guys are here and I'm probably not who you're expecting but we decide to switch things up a little bit today and I'm GonNa be doing the real they live with the Pixel three eight. Xl Talk Talk about a plot twist Ari takes judd familiar your average consumer format and flips it completely around which is fitting given how Google Pixel three flip the familiar millea flagship around. It's such a different voice in different perspective but still so very grounded in everything that's made the channel so great over the years so I decided I would just take it out taking guys along with me and just have a little fun with it. So we're going to test out the battery life picture cobby. Of course you know we have to and ton of other features that come on the Pixel three Xl. Let's let's see. How did it's also such a brilliant twist? I hope we see more people experimenting with it in the Tech space welcome to the crimson engine. Mining's Rubicam if you can't tell today we are talking about in a fusion haze of smoke versus team. I first became familiar with Rab- idiom and his crimson engine channel was someone when shared his using air diffusion video with me and it was a revelation anyone who watches my videos knows. I'm all about the Arrow the talking head but the way rebellion handles talking had a role is just so director of photography so literally lit- people throw around the words cinematic all the time but this was far more Show then tell if you could pay a shot to my regular setup. This one feels a lot more cinematic to my his whole channel changed how I thought not just about that my own videos but my interest video completely. There's no deaths dirt here. You know small particles in the air. Unlike out there in the real world. The Wall Street Journal The Wall Street Journal all as traditional institution as they come has somehow managed to consistently produce some of the most creative tech videos on the planet. And it's all thanks to Joanna Stern and her team team. It's a spectacular amalgam vision and execution. Unless you have access to a beautiful bubble like this in the middle of nowhere I cannot recommend you buy the Samsung John Galaxy fault. I've said this many times before but Joanna's mix of video and call them directly inspired what I do with this channel and with more and she's not just at the top of her game she just keeps getting better and better. Let's play a game. This this is GonNa be fun. Here's two photos. One of these photos is taken can with a seven thousand five hundred dollar. DSL Our camera setup and the other one is an iphone eleven pro on one hand and you have the big sensors and big glass of traditional cameras on the other. The big computer of modern camera phones. Likewise you have tech people reviewing the camera our capabilities of a phone compared to other phones. And then you have camera people reviewing those same capabilities but in the context of cameras batty does just that with particular. APLOMB open-minded about computational photography but never putting gimmicks ahead of results I never ever thought that got smartphones. Your camera phones would be good enough to ever even come close to competing with something like a one. DX Mark Too. But the one mistake that I made in thinking about the future is not taking into account. Software the computational photography side of things this comparison between the iphone eleven pro Oh and a DSL or shows that off picture perfect and as I find myself plunging back into camera gear like with Tyler. Stolman I find it. Incredibly informative perspective to have it starts out at seven forty nine seven ninety nine borough the video is crispy as always always if missing. Its usual depth of field. You don't notice it at first though because the camera work is so fresh. Almost trippy only at the end. You find out the whole thing is being shot at four K sixty frames per second on wait for it an iphone eleven selfie cam but it's not just that from hyper creative shots to Pepsi Challenges Challenges to bringing in hardcore creative prose creative pro hardware to editing on everything from an ipad to I kid you not an ipod touch. Jonathan just keeps making me question the creative limits of Youtube and wanting to achieve more in the tech world so often obsessed with such shallow sensationalism Jonathan busted in just the best way possible with fact and talent. There are a few few others. I WANNA make sure I don't miss either John Ritter. Who's been doing youtube for as long as I've been watching youtube but totally up to his games in terms of production in and storytelling this year especially with videos like there is no iphone eleven? It just makes me WanNa tell better stories also shout out to his podcast partner and another. OJ Youtuber Andrew Edwards Gerald Undone. WHO's been around for a while but I just discovered and binged does amazing deep dives into not just cameras but the technology behind cameras? I'm learning so much which I love his trailer with Tyler. Stolman iphone dough. This is tech today are Mondo and many others was also slick genius Simone Gear. It's turned her tesla into a pickup truck. With the help of Laura Calf Rich rebuilds and Marco Ramirez. This was months before Elon John. Musk and company announced the minimalist Polygon Martian. Tumbler of a cyber truck. And she's single active willed her own version into existence with a model three three. And a ludicrous speed amount of talent again. It just makes me WanNa do more and Better Evan. From poly matter cross videos where he animates and explains Complex Global Business and technology topics in a way. That's just so spectacularly approachable and digestible. Not just the stories everyone. 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There Will Be Blood

Android Central Podcast

1:18:31 hr | 1 year ago

There Will Be Blood

"Hello and welcome to the Android central podcast for Thursday may second twenty nineteen. We're back after a brief break to distract her legs. And to just wait for the entire industry to implode. Apparently. So to talk about that I have to experience gentlemen here. Andrew Martin Nick is is somebody you know is your every week. Are you doing I'm doing just fine after coming off with this cold, which can probably still hear lingering remnants? But I appreciate you calling me an experience gentlemen without saying in respect or anything like that. Yeah. You're just a business card next time. We refresh just a scoundrel is what you are. Yeah. That's all right too. And and speaking of scoundrel, welcome back to the show, David Ruddick of Android police. You are you're welcome. How you doing? Thank you. I'm doing well. And I do feel very welcomed. I think scoundrels welcome good. Yeah. I don't know what that is in the twenty first century. I know that in the nineteenth century. I think that that meant you got your throat slit, but. You know, I've been watching a lot of game of thrones. So there's been a lot I say throat Zadeh back during into that. For sure. Yeah. I actually I had a dream about game of thrones last night, which doesn't usually happen when I get into a show like cross into my into my subconscious. I don't know if I was in the show. I can't really remember. But it was very visceral. And there was murder. So. Yeah. My whole life right now is basically work and then watching game of thrones. So so it's interesting. It's an interesting contrast. Sound very stressful. Honestly, very stressful showed watch oh it is. It's it's insanely stressful. What I'm doing right now is I'm watching the the most recent season on my own when it comes out on Sundays. And then my wife, and I are watching the first seasons 'cause she's never seen the show. And like I'm going to eventually catch up to where we are. And then we'll just watch it together. But it's really interesting watching the ladder the eighth season. And then going back to the first few. So I don't know. I mean, it's it's just yet is a very stressful. Speaking of stress, though, because we the last podcast we had Andrew unite just whacks lyrical on the galaxy fold, and we we sort of ended in this weird place where we knew it had problems. We knew that it was. The problem seemed to be compounding day after day, but it hadn't yet been delayed and our own Mr. mobile Michael Fisher, had not yet announced that his phone had a problem as well. It had a piece of debris stuck under the screen. So we want to revisit that. And David you have you have thoughts on it as well. So I guess will will launch their David what what was your take on this whole thing? How do you think Samsung handled the the delay the product marketing itself, what do you think it did right or wrong? I mean, I think honestly, they one of the few companies in spaces had the experience of the total product meltdown scenario, and I would have to hope that they had a lot of processes in place. And I think there are a few little things that point to that. Being the case, I think that the total silence in the last week or so has been very telling I think that I think Samsung knows that nobody has the product in hand anymore. And so there not any more damage that can really be done at this point unless somebody in the supply chain. Starts leaking something about another phone breaking which would be very bad for them. But it as disasters go, I mean, I think they did what they had to do. And is this does it doom the phone does it does it doom the category? I know there have been both of those takes shared by various outlets. I think that the the category itself is not doomed by this. I think consumers have pretty short attention spans for for things. Like most people don't even remember note seven exploding like if you say that around someone who works for Samsung like duck and cover, but as far as regular people are concerned that basically there's oh you remember the phone exploded? Yeah. That iphone people honestly to say, it's there's an iphone that exploded. Right. And it's like well. Yes, I guess they're probably were I files it exploded. But if you don't remember these things in especially for something so geeky is this sure it had Bairo qualities like where people probably watch videos of unfolding and folding. I don't think people were too interested. The product narrative is much as they were like the the cool factor. And so I don't think it dooms the cat. Gory as a product though, I think this pretty much fizzles the launch for the phone, even if Samsung does relaunch it people's interest will be just a fraction of what it was. When it when initially start to roll out. And I think that's that's how all products work that right? I think it's something gets delayed a significant amount of time unless there's a really really strong mass market for that product people to stop carrying like look at airpower like it was a huge story that got canceled. But do you think lot of consumers actually cared about air power at that point non not even close especially considering how long that took to eventually come to its end? I think there's there's a little bit of a difference. But how short this new cycle was for the galaxy fold. And I think it's really easy to argue that the galaxy fold name has been tarnished pretty considerably by this. But you have to wonder how wide reaching that actually the, you know, the scope of that actually made it out. Because this was something that happened during that original kind of review period is shirt, everything about the galaxy fold that you can find on the internet is, you know, includes talk about or is one hundred percent talk about the screen failing. But I just think that had this take had this taken more of an air power approach where it was like, months and months and months of this or you know, galaxy fold reviews had gone through their entire course. And then three weeks later after it had gone through this kind of successful launch. You had started to see this information crop up that probably would have actually been worse for Samsung. Because I think the the problem would have been the galaxy fold would've actually come out, and there would have been thousands of these things out in the world. And then you would have hit this problem that you would have had, you know, more of an issue there rather than Samsung realistically gots a bottle. This went up pretty quickly. And I think that. You know, this is inside baseball. And I realized you know, they were pre-production phones. I think maybe there may have been some kind of plan b element to the fact that they had that strict ten day policy of the review devices where you know, just in case something does go wrong. Well, they have that the fall back on now. And maybe it was maybe it wasn't. But I think it made it very tidy for them to pull them all back in. And so the question is now what the heck happens when they put these things back out presumably in the second week of June, which they could definitely change our eliminate that date if they really want to so far in the future, it's still six weeks away now, but what happens when they put these things out because every single one is going to be put under an extreme microscope that would never happen. Otherwise, if this hadn't blown up the way it did in the first couple of days. I just don't know. I mean for his back. As it would look to cancel the whole thing. People are going to nitpick the hell out of these things. This absolutely true. I mean, people are gonna get one like throw it in the sandbox. And it's just the you are guaranteeing. Yeah. Outsized amount of attention on the potential for the defects. Like anybody who hasn't written review is now going to spend half of their review talking about? Well, is it trustworthy enough to we think it's actually fix and anything Samsung concern about anything changed in design anything to address any testing? They do. Everybody's going to take it with grain of salt because they already said it was fine. When it came out, you know, they showed they had the video vaulting machine. And so you know, they that was the kind of their statement about durability. Yeah. Part of it was their own doing by saying, you know, it can do two hundred thousand folds and all that kind of stuff. But the problem is that that single grain of salt if it makes its way into the hinge, it's going to destroy your phone single grain of so I mean, that's the same grain of salt. That would ruin a MAC book pro keyboard, and that has no doubt acted sales. Yeah. We'll apple has that wonderful reality distortion field around it where it can just it can will problems mostly out of existence. Samsung has has earned that a little bit at this point. Like, I think that the difference here is that I mean, if we're really going to go after this, the keyboard comparison on the MAC books the difference is that you can walk in and like they have a keyboard replacement program, and they're just gonna replace your keyboard? Give your computer back. Like Samsung, this hasn't reached the level of Samsung saying like, okay, we're going to make sure that as soon as this happens, or, you know, proactively say if you have any problems send us the phone, we're just going to replace it like that's going to turn into a real. Is going to turn into a real s show really quickly. I appreciate you, not swear. We we don't like to have the explicit tag on here. After that. One guy emailed us. So yeah, I guess so I I mean the Samsung bounceback fairly quickly both from an investor perspective and a reputation perspective from the note seven, and that was considerably worse. And there were far more units in the in the field. I mean, I I know that I don't wanna get too inside baseball either. But I just wanna point out like when I got my unit was the same day that you guys did on the Monday. And I was given the same embargo. We had nine it was a ninety m eastern embargo. And they gave me a unit and in Canada. We're not supposed to act they weren't supposed to put the phone on sale until early June, so June seventh or so, but for me, I never received a, hey, we need this phone back after ten days nothing like that. And the reason I bring this up is that they were so confident, and maybe this was just hubris on the Canadian PR teams. Hubris on their on their part. But they were not thinking, hey, this is going to be there that we need a plan b that this is going to be a disaster. They were like we are confident that this is a finished product that you will love and you will continue to want to use. And I feel like there must have been two sides within the company competing with one. Another the marketing team that was like, yes, we need to approach this as a fully formed finished product that can stand on its own and will will will have to say with confidence that it is ready for scale and mass market. And then there's the engineers who probably did not want that at all. And they were extremely hesitant to put this out in the market. And that was the biggest problem. They're facing is that aside from the price everything about this was. Was the same as a galaxy S ten or s nine s eight whatever or you know, every single note launch they just treated it. Like, it was another phone is a very special phone that did something completely unique. And they you know, that could have maybe clouded their view of how big the problems really were. But they really did want to treat this like a regular thing. I mean with just online orders and carrier partnerships and just a full on launch event, or you know, briefings and everything like that. There was nothing, particularly, you know, they're always little differences between the launches. But there was nothing particularly crazy or you know, there were no caveats applied to this. They were just like, yeah. We think this things ready to go, and we're putting it out on the market. And it's on sale. That's kind of told you everything you needed to know about you know, what their confidence level in the technology was so. My question is would it have been a better idea for Samsung to just hedge as much as possible on this end, call it of preview call it a beta call it a attest, whatever. And admit that the people spending all this money were largely Guinea pigs. Or should they have done? Exactly this taken that taking the chance and treat it like a regular scalable product launch. I think that the strategy. They took was I have to wonder if this was a top down initiative. I think that DJ when they brought up the price at the press conference. I was very surprised they did that for one. And then they announced an exact release date which was like shocker number two. It was very unusual in that respect that showed a lot of confidence as you said Daniel Canadian hubris in in kind of Samsung's Samsung's feeling about the product. And I wonder if that was kind of DJ staking his reputation on you know, I have created the company or I have bled. This company this created this product, and I believe it in I'm vouching for this product. And I really didn't get that sense. Because you don't you don't, you know, unveil a product that you don't feel fully ready unless you're the chief executive, and you don't maybe have a full. Of all the engineering and quality assurance challenges. That may come with that product when it actually launches may be more of that thing of here's our challenge. We will meet our goal, and we will meet our goal at all costs. Right. I think that the issues started way further back down the line where it was at some point considered. You know, I it was some point along the spectrum of quality assurance quality control, the user testing and everything like that that this was good enough, and you know, or above whatever threshold they set and then from that point forward, it seems like it was just taken as a given that like the screen mechanism and this cover on top and the hinge mechanism and everything was up to their standards. And then from that point forward. It was never brought into consideration. Again, that you were going to have a problem with the screen or the hinge because I don't think that anybody at Samsung by the time, they came around to show showing this thing off to people and putting on sale and putting it in carrier stores. I don't think anybody in Samsung at that point was even questioning whether or not the screen in the hinge roll up to speed because that was taken as a given months ago. Even just when they brought the thing out. And demo at the galaxy S ten launch event if not before that. So I just don't even think that was in the consciousness at that point. There were like, yeah. This things ready to go. And then somehow. It was determined by just a handful of people that know, it is absolutely not ready to go. And the fact that you know, like that fact is crazy, and it's even crazier when you think about the fact that that decision had to be made months ago that this was fine. When I think the other thing is is kind of you know. Yeah. Like, you said they're taking it as given. And I think the reason they're taking it as given is. I forget the name of this effect, but it's well documented thing and institutions and companies where when you set a goal, your employees will find a way to meet the goal generally that doesn't always mean that they're going to meet it in the way, you intended them to they're going to find a way to meet the metric if you said a metric if you said it performance goal people will find a way to reach the bar of metric. And I think we all know how people how the employees who are direct directly work for Samsung can be and I think we understand the company culture. There is extremely. Rigid and extremely I would say tight-lipped. There is a sense that there is the party line at Samsung. And if you don't toe the party line, I I've never seen somebody who works for Samsung failed to that party line there. So so on point about it there is that sense of very prim proper. Totally on message nothing is ever wrong. Nothing is ever nothing is ever bad. And you just kind of have to wonder whether that culture, which obviously does come from Samsung's Korean HQ in a large sense how much that bleeds into the engineering and product elements, and whether there were some, you know, maybe maybe things that happened during testing and development where some people had goals very ambitious goals that were set by people who had the power to make their lives miserable or get rid of their jobs, and they found ways to meet their goals. And because it was obvious how fast this defect emerge. Just how big a problem? It really was it was I mean, honestly, it was it's absolutely crazy that this made it through quality assurance testing. Because they had to know they had to know the debris getting under the panel could be an issue. There's no way they didn't test for it. And the biggest problem for Samsung now is that this gave all the fodder necessary to all the people that thought that the gal or instill think of the galaxy fold is just a tech demo for the screen technology. And of course, in many ways it is. But you know, as beyond that, they could have just demo knit. They went all the way to creating a product and launching it like we talked about and. When you look back at how all this all this came out in such quick succession, you really do look at like, hey, this kind of was a tech demo because they only tested it clearly as a tech demo because if nobody I just find it impossible to think that anybody inside of Samsung didn't like carry this thing around and put this thing in and out of their pocket and use it in their daily life for more than two days. That was required to start noticing that the the hinge gets slightly loose in this crease starts to get a little weird. And then things get underneath there. And then you're screwed. I just it's absolutely impossible that they didn't go through that process because that's just what you have to do with every single product. And that's you know, it just gives more and more credence to the whole tech demo idea. And that's not a good look when you're trying to launch an. Actual products. I wanna I wanna bring it back a little bit to the culture within Samsung. Because this is what you're describing this top down approach this. Yes, we can get it done by X date. This pushing the limits that panned out badly for them in two thousand sixteen and you'd think structurally, there would have been changes, especially since DJ co was running the show even back then. That were in place aside from hey, we're putting in place at eight step battery test right specifically designed to test batteries. But you'd think from an from a structural perspective. There would be that set of checks and balances where you you. You're allowed to push back against it executive team that wants you to get it done that the engineers would have more credence in saying, hey, this may not be up to the standards that were that you want, and maybe we should delay this a little bit more because. Yes, I think when you when we did when we looked at the. The tear down of the galaxy note seven and we saw the mistakes that were made. Obviously the batteries were. Themselves to blame. But it was it was largely to do with the fact that they just they want a bigger considerable. And they couldn't get it it it just wasn't possible at the time, and it doesn't it didn't matter. It turned out. If it was if the batteries were made by Samsung STI or an Perec's they both had problems because the design of the phone was flawed. So you think coming into twenty nineteen there would be that set of checks and balances and yet it didn't seem like the specific battery problems translated into an overhaul of the QC process within Samsung itself on a larger scale, and it's very interesting also because you look at the galaxy s eight s nine s ten very across that that lineup there with the subsequent notes. Very conservative updates. Very smart. Well, planned calculated upgrades. Without a ton of risks. You can you could definitely say that in terms of like new technologies religious consistent interruption. And then, you know, which all made sense coming coming from the note seven, and then, you know, we're a couple generations later. And then they do something crazy like this with the fold, and I think that the comparison to the note seven in from a culture standpoint is is very apt. Obviously the end result is different. Nobody's claiming that this is as big a disaster. An even if even if they had found this after it was released, and they had to recall thousands of units as long as it wasn't blowing up in people's pockets or next to their beds. It's still wouldn't have been as big a disaster. So we could say that outright and the number of units that were going to be sold. Anyway, would have been in the thousands not hundreds of thousands or millions. So again, very different scale. But it is interesting. And I also like I bring it back. To just like Samsung is one company and their dominant. But I also look at something like L G which. Yup. That's exactly what I was going to bring up L L G has released gimmicky phones that are that are of decent quality of the last few years. But I also wonder how feature like air motion in hand ide- made it through into a finished product without a reason for being there, and David I'd like your opinion on this. Because. I haven't seen a very outside of few people haven't seen a universally positive review of the and a lot of people say, well, it's good. But it doesn't deserve to be treated the same way as even a galaxy S ten I mean, my opinion, and I had such a long talk with with some somebody LG about this at MW. See is that these L Jesus you comes from probably business unit where people are LG is so focused on sales performance, which obviously they should be. But LG's approach has been so driven by their partners by their distributors and probably carriers who are all telling L G, you need to do something to be different than Samsung you need to be different from Samsung. If you want cell phones, we we need you to give us something there's going to sell the LG phone over the Samsung phone, and I think what ends up happening is the business issues are dictating product development where the p. People in executive positions or saying I need a foam that does something Samsung's phones cannot do. And I need you develop at least three things that the L must do that. You can say I sure almost that Samsung's. Galaxy S ten won't do. And I think that's how you come up with these weird things where the, you know, the engineers, obviously in the product managers, they have these ideas sitting around their lab testing things like that's kind of nifty, you know. And where eventually like somebody management comes them. And they say, well, we got this stuff. And they're like, great fine. Let's do some let's do a little recon with our business partners. And see if they think this is a differentiating feature. And as we know if carrier how to build smartphone, you're going to end up with a really terrible product. So too. Whatever the hell, they were all called skyrocket skyrocket. Mold in an elegy LG loves to ask carriers what they would like to do. So that creates a feedback loop. That is of course, good for the carriers kind of but not but not good for anybody else. I don't even know. I mean, as we've recognized in the end, it it is not end up working out well for the carriers or anybody because the phones don't sell, but David's point is very poignant because that's all they're doing. It's like you're scrambling to find something else. And you have these people that are coming up with these new ideas. And they're like does it. Meet a minimum threshold of like does it work. Is it different from the other things in the market? Yes. Yes. Okay. Ship it, and you know, the the problem here is that we also were demanding that of companies as well in L. Is a perfect example where they come out with something like the g six we're like good. It's like, it doesn't have all these gimmicks. Just no frills solid phone, but it's not as good as the Samsung equivalent across the board, basically. And so we kind of are like, okay, you need something different. There too were asking for that to the problem is that they're solutions or the things that they find that are different are not actually differentiator 's they're just different for the sake of being different. And you know, we need or we expect that answer to be we came up with something that's actually better and more useful. And, you know, considerably different on top of being the same or, you know, better than Samsung in every other respect, it's a really tough ask. But they're obviously, you know, there's a big Gulf between what they're doing. What we expect? I wanna I wanna finish this off by by talking about the the tear down. That was taken down from the internet, David. This was interesting because. I fix it. Did a fantastic tear down it it really showed the specific tenets of the galaxy fold and the hinge at work and all of the things that I think make it quite interesting. But it also pointed out the ingress points that were probably what was causing debris to find its way under the screen, and then fix it took it down and explain that they received the phone through a partner, the partner was asked to I guess remove the part of the partner was asked by Samsung directly to to get fix it to remove it because they broken NDA and the partner we don't know who or what the partner was could have been a carrier could have been a distributor of some sort. But I fix it. Clearly had a source. What do you think about how this played out and how Samsung or fix it dealt? With the situation. So I think that the reason I fix it. Pull the down as probably might guess here is that the company that they're working with is in accessory manufacturer, probably in the case business like I think that's the highest likelihood because why else would they have a fold that early case manufacturers would have been one of the few companies that really would have needed to have one and probably have a relationship with a company. Like, I said, you know, I mean, we all worked with case manufacturers in this business. We know how like buddy buddy, they can be with people. So that would be my guess as the partner was I think Samsung, this is a case of Samsung being giant, you know, international, conglomerate and the left arm, not knowing what the eighty second right arm is doing and, you know, somebody some lawyer somewhere probably at Samsung HQ, you know, got the staredown sent to them and immediately. They went looking for engineering ID numbers in all of the photos found him match. It. Up in the Senate until like, you know, their security division got it matched up with the supplier and sent them a season desist. And at that point, you know, suppliers probably like, you know, they would be in pretty deep stuff at that point, you know, losing relationship with Samsung as a supplier in this business could destroy your business. It could just completely take down. And so I'm sure I fix. It was pretty empathetic to that viewpoint where this fire saying, hey, if you don't take this down Samsung is saying they're never going to work with us again and a lawyer working for Samsung, probably has the power to make that threat. Even if they may not necessarily make good on it. But you know, it will scare the fear of God into you. If you're in this business and a company size Samsung says they don't want to do business with you anymore. So I can understand why fix it took it down. And I don't put any blame on them because I could have left it up. They could've left it up. And Samsung would not have had a legal foot stand on not fix it. Agreed to know NDA regarding that that. Foam. So I think that from a PR perspective Samsung could have handled it a lot better, I fix. It is not submitted DMCA to way back machine. So you can still go read the take the tear down. It's still there. So I get the sense that Samsung really probably what happened here, I fix it. I wonder if it even reached out the Samsung PR to ask them like, hey, can we, you know, handle this in a more reasonable way. I wonder if they just, you know, we're like, okay, we've got to cover our partners about here, and we're taking down, and that's the end of it. I would not be surprised if that's how it went for his bad as it looks I fix it just recognizes that we can we can help out our partner and also all of the information. We talked about has permeated throughout the entire internet and anybody that wants to know or wants to know in the are needed to know at the time for the two and a half days, or whatever that was upper wants to know in the future can absolutely. Find all of the words in photos that they put up and so they figured okay. Like, this is not the hill that we're gonna die on we're gonna we're gonna help out the partner in you know, this. It's extremely important for fix it as well. If this is one of the ways that they get they get devices. You know, why why would they lose that over something as insignificant as this that I fix it wins because they get to keep it up. I mean, the reality is that it was there for a day or so and they also get to point people to archive dot org, and it's still there, and it'll be there indefinitely. So. They did their job. And they did a really good job objectively explaining the pros and cons of this design of which there are many. So you know, they they did their due diligence. And I guess the partner like partners, David if you are right. I mean, you could very well be case makers are renowned for leaking stuff early. I mean, they do it all the time. That's like, right. They offer up leaks. Speaking in particular is a company that you often see speak and designs leaked before the phone is available, and they take pride in it to some extent. And I wonder why they do that when the have to work with the manufacturers themselves. There's there's no way that this was like David said, there's no way this was something that went through with your traditional PR and marketing people this was like, I fix. It just did the thing that they did. Because this is typically what they do. They don't hold back any punches as soon as they can get a device the way that they get devices. Let's them do whatever they want with them. And you know, Samsung overreacted in any other time, this probably wouldn't have turned into such a big deal. But at this was happening at the exact same time that everybody was sending back their galaxy folds. And there was all this bad news, anyway, I fix it. Got a huge kind of new cycle out of putting up their tear down in the first place. This really got more attention than it than it. Normally would have in any other scenario. I would love to talk about the actual fact that there are reviews of this product that are out there. And yet the product that was reviewed is not going to be the same one that is released in June or July or whenever it comes out. I'll end on this, David. How different do you think the eventual retail fold will be from the ones that we used? I think there are really really to outcomes here. I think the June date is a holder my bed is that. There's no way this coming out in June. I think that the amount of reengineering and QA they're gonna have to do on the design. Just completely makes that impossible. They're gonna have to read. They're gonna have to retool certain parts of manufacturing process, which I assume these phones are basically handbuilt, I imagine like Zeid from the aluminum pieces and like the actual display components. I imagine a lot of these phones are put together by people on the line. So that makes it a little easier to retool, but I think the amount of testing they're gonna have to do is just going to make time line a lot longer than six weeks if they can't pull it off in six weeks, if they can if they find a novel solution, which I I'm not saying it's impossible. It seems unlikely I think that realistically if it comes back out it'll be months from now, it'll probably be closer to galaxy. We know ten time I would guess or possibly even after that. I don't think there's anyway, I think it would be incredibly stupid of Samsung to try to Russia that they could be wall way to having the first foldable, you know, next generation voluble on the market. I think that would be incredibly bad. But I think the other option is Samsung tries and tries to reengineer in the sides that without fundamentally redesigned the product, which I don't think they will do that can't be fixed. And they cancelled it. I think that I'm kind of fifty fifty on which which way this goes right now. Yeah, I'm I'm more like eighty twenty in the they figure out how to dress it somehow and they release it way later. There's obviously no way that they could release it in June and have it actually be notably different. So if they do release it in June. It's going to be a complete dumpster fire because it's gonna base basically just be the exact same phone with some extra warnings to not take the the protective cover off. And that is not going to do it. And one has to assume that they are already and have been already hard at work on the second generation fold anyway. So especially given the lead up to the initial release. I mean, we. We know that the foldable Oleg technology has been in the works for a decade. But the physical object that you buy called the galaxy fold has also probably been in development for at least two or three years if not longer so you have to wonder. At what point in the in the past? Did they say, okay? This is the design. This is the final design that we're going with and now we just have to tweak it as opposed to. We're working towards improving or or mastering this design. And we're gonna make changes until a few months before we finally say that's enough. Like, I'd imagine like most products, they put a stop on this design, especially most first gen products years ago, or at least a couple of years ago, and they just had to finalize the components inside to to get it to market. Maybe. So I just think that the core problem here is Samsung chose the timing. It did for reason. I I really think the reason was it had intelligence on what everybody else in the market was planning on doing. And they wanted to be I they've been teasing foldable for like you said the better part of a decade. Now, everybody knew that's for Samsung was going because that's where they said they were going they made it so obvious display business. And I think they built it up so much inside the company that they had to be first, but the foldable fun because they are pioneers of flexible, it's by technology. How could they not be the first to do it? If they're the company telling everybody for years and years. That we are the company on the cutting edge of the psychology, which I'm not disputing that. They that they are. I believe they are. I just have to wonder if being first market was really what ended up being the fatal blow for this product. When if they could've waited a year, maybe could have been a lot better. And now that they've already lost their first mover advantage, and it kind of blew up in their face a little bit then they need to now just to swallow their pride a little bit as much as they can. And just wait it out. Let the mate X come out. Let wall way have its own problems because it's pretty much guaranteed that that's also going to be nitpicked to you know, to the moon back and people are gonna find all kinds of flaws in that product to so Samsung can at least revel in that. Yeah, I give the chance of the made X having no problems zero percent that phone is going to have. Yeah. Tremendous. I'm sure it will it could possibly have horrible issues will at least have fairly bad will. Yes, that we will definitely save those takes for another podcast because there will be many, and there will be blood. 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But yet they couldn't also help the fact that it was like ninety degrees every day. So this year, we sort of have a playbook now Google has a two hour keynote on day one than it has a, Dev. Keynote a few a few hours later or sorry a half an hour later than it does. Sessions throughout the day. Then they'll do more sessions on the Wednesday and Thursday. There's a party that always has amazing musical guests. Last year was Justice which surprised me because I've never I never thought. I would see them in person the year before that was our was not arcade fire. It was LCD sound though cities system, which was also a band that? I thought I'd never seen persons. So thank you Google for all of that. But this is about developers, except there's a twist this year because we think are fairly certain that there will also be hardware. There hasn't been hardware at AO for a very long time. And this hardware in particular, the pixel three and three XL, which based on the leaks that we've seen were pretty confident. It's going to be called will be announced during the keynote. We'll stick the three stuff at the end. David. I want to start with you talking about just in general, and what your expectations are obviously we're going to get the third beta of Android Q. But what else are you looking forward to this year? Well, I think I owe is shifted a whole lot in terms of what it's about in terms of Google's products. And I owe us to be really really heavy on developer tool sense still as developer tools are still huge part of Google. And that part is there for those people really want to learn the education aspect of is huge. But I always increasingly become a tool for Google to leverage its narrative about how Google's accompany isn't just Android. It isn't just search, and it isn't just hardware products. And that's really kind of tying it all together, and the tying it together narrative, I think we really saw last year with all the assistant announcements, and that's that's kind of what I'm looking forward to again this year assistant is really. The cutting the bleeding edge of where Google is on consumer products. Because this isn't is virtual in exist on seventy surfaces and can do so many things Google is. I think a lot more liberal in terms of I mean, it was already pretty liberal in terms of rolling out betas to consumers, but in terms of just rolling out features and seeing how they work because oftentimes they aren't like things you like critically rely on in your life enrolling them out without even announcing them necessarily threats years does that literally all the time. So I'm curious to see what kind of new assistant features. They're going to because Google's lead in artificial intelligence is really what makes it exciting as a company to me at this point what Google can accomplish using using machine learning, and the cloud, and I know this is such a buzz words that mean almost nothing to consumers, but when you look at the features, they enable like call screen, call screen works because of AI, and the fact is spam calls become a huge problem in a lot of people's lives. I rely on that tool now. It's awesome. And then of course, there's duplex which is in itself insane. And it actually does seem to work some people. I've read like hang up on the duplex pot. When it calls, but it sounds like generally when you use it, you know, like it's his ein to facilitate communication, and it does. So in a way that ten years ago would have been literal fantasy when it when they announce it last year, I just thought whoa. There's no way this is going to happen in the next five years. I thought no way this is something Google's going to say works. And then we're going to see it again like four years later in the just getting it actually works now. Like that photo object often available in every US state. Yeah. Yeah. It's happened. Really quickly. It did. So that's the kind of stuff. I look forward to it. I oh this year. But we don't have any hints about any. We rarely do Google has done such a good job of keeping that stuff under wraps because you don't have any secondary indicators those kinds of. Announcements unless they actually go live on devices early, which doesn't usually happen because that stuff is usually months and months out before it's going to be public. So that's that's always what I look forward to personally. But the hardware side this year is going to be very interesting announcing a phone Ugo, which is basically given at this point. That's what's going to happen. Google's announced events in India, and, you know, released a teaser saying something us going to happen pixel on the seventh, and of course, that would be at. So that I think has a really strong chance of stealing the show this year. And it's interesting. I mean, the I found the earlier days the Mosconi center days of quite tangible. There would always be a lot of demos a lot of products that you could touch even if they were going to be available for months, you could walk away from from a press perspective with a lot of juicy material in the last couple of. Years. It's really been shifting back as you said to focusing on developers. But also, I mean, they they debuted Kotlin a couple years ago and last year, they really made it the official new language of Andhra development. There are a lot of a lot of sessions about AI and and machine learning really trying to make make it not just about Android. But as you said about make making it easier for developers to build experiences on any screen doesn't matter if it's Android or ender things increasingly Android auto. And I wanna talk about your experience with Andrew automated automotive a little bit later. This year. It'll clearly be sh. I may not swing swing back entirely. But at least there is going to be an element of like here's a phone or a couple of phones that you can touch and experience, but how how big is this three announcement like these are mid range products that will be sold presumably at one or two US carriers. We've heard we've heard rumored pricing of three ninety nine for the smaller one in four seventy nine for the larger one. Those are attractive prices, and they harken back to the days of nexus four and five. So how big is the are these phones they're going to be pretty big outside of North America. I guess also depends on how the pricing works out outside of North America. But the interesting thing is that these if that is the pricing we're talking like four hundred five hundred there in this weird middle ground where there we're seeing tons of competition and tons of really good phones, and like the two hundred two three hundred dollar price point you think about things that are challenging like Nokia and Motorola with the g series. And then you have all these other like the flagships have gone super high, obviously. But we have these like value focus flagships that are the, you know, you're one plus your high end honor phone etcetera there in the five to seven hundred dollar range or really more like six and seven hundred dollar. So there's kind of this weird middle ground where it's always been kind of tough to sell cellphone at about four hundred and fifty dollars because if you're somebody that has decided that you want to achieve. Cheap or value focused phone that's too much money. You're spending two or three hundred. And if you're somebody that's going to shell out more than that. You're probably going to be on a carrier financing plan or a manufacturer financing plan or something like that. And you're happy to just go spend seven or eight or nine hundred dollars. So it's this weird middle ground, and you know, perhaps Google has identified that this is a potential market for them in the way that they've just completely slash the price of the regular pixel three and three excelled a regular Leon sale for two hundred two hundred fifty even three hundred dollars off in the first place. But I mean in some ways it's good for Google if they don't have much to compete against their. But in other ways, you have to look at the market and say like, well, maybe there's a reason why we don't see that many phones in this four hundred dollar range because they're kind of this weird middle ground where you're not charging enough to. To give you a high end materials and higher inspects. But you're charging too much pupil that are purely value focused. I think there's a lot to be said for if the rumors pan out which the rumor has been, you know, you get the same pixel three camera experience that you do on the more expensive phones, basically. And I think if that's the way this goes, I think Google has a very strong marketing narrative, they can push because if there's one unifying feature of phones under five hundred dollars is that the cameras aren't good. It is it is a universal truth. I mean, e could go back maybe and say like, maybe some like refurbished iphones could get five hundred dollars threshold cameras are kinda okay? Still not going to be anywhere near as good as pixel threes. Yeah. Or you could buy galaxy S nine today, not even close to the pixel three. Yeah. It's not. And so I think from a narrative standpoint, I think that's compelling. I think if they can push that if they can push, you know, it depends on what they choose to cut. I think that's going to be the big question. What is different what is being removed? But if that pricing works out, I think if you which essentially works out to for half, the price of the big three or pixel three XL you get the same camera. And I think a lot of people have seen the camera advertisements have seen what the phones can do. Now. Whether that translate the sales anybody's, guess it depends on channels. It depends on how much they pour in the marketing these phones. But I do I do agree that the with Daniel that the whole the whole it's a return of nexus in a way narrative is going to be over the internet. That's going to be an every single review. But it'll be it'll be an are reviews. But will it be in Google has moved so far beyond that? And it actually it's it has actively suppressed a lot of those comparisons in recent years by by consciously pricing, the pixel line so much more even the first pixel was considerably more expensive than the last nexus. And I wonder you know, to to actively position your phone as a as a flagship and now release a a very different market, obviously. And they're competing much more with Chinese manufacturers, especially in developing markets like India and China and Latin America than they used to be. But I wonder to whom is this or for whom is this phone. Aimed and whether us in North America are seeing it from from a sort of a biased perspective as a phone that isn't quite the pixel three. But it's better than a lot of the midrange phones that we wouldn't really use. Anyway, the thing that is really hurting the narrative of trying to be able to talk about who this phones four is that why the hell didn't this come out with the other pixels? This like the story makes so much sense. If they stood up on stage when they announced the three and three excel. And we're like, oh and also like there are these cheaper plastic versions that have the same core experience. But you know, they cheap out on the materials and couple of the specs the fact that it's coming out now really makes it more like, okay, we're just going to kind of put these things out in the in the market and David ask how much they're really going to try to market and push these things I just don't. Think that they will at this point. They may have had grand plans to be able to say like, you know, pixel three series starting from three ninety nine or something from the start. But that all kind of has to go out the window, and you have to just focus on something specific like just talking about how great the cameras at any price. Let alone at this. Great price and talk about some of the the neat software features or something that make the pixel so great I think that that's just going to overshadow this a little bit. Obviously it helps the brand a little bit. Because people have heard about the pixel a lot, and they know that that's associated with really good photos, and that's going to just be a little bit of a halo effect. But more of it is like, oh, okay. You're just announcing a cheaper plastic version of this thing six months later like what what gives. I think that so I think that Daniels, right? That markets other than America are probably a big part of this. And we'll see where they end up launching. We know it's coming to India because they have an event plan there. So that's that's a given in India is honestly one of the most like in terms of just turnover in the marketplace. It's incredible. Like, you know, the fastest upgrade cycles in the words insane. And so like opo just launched their sub brand real me. They're like six months ago, and they already have like seven percent of the market or something crazy like that market is so competitive in so price sensitive, but also super-hype sensitive like people in India loved one, plus one bless generates an insane amount of been India. Even as the prices keep going up one plus success keeps increasing so it's not strictly about price there. Although prices a huge part of it. I think that whether Google's narrative they're working, which will be you get the great camera experience. There is no bloat wear. There's nothing on this phone that you don't want. To be you get updates. Your phone will stay useful for longer than a lot of these other phones and one plus obviously does okay there, but in the sub five hundred dollar range, there aren't a lot of gnocchi as that are really getting consistent updates, and we'll see how long you who promises to keep them updated. They promise pixel threes updated for three years. So if they can do that with a cheaper phone that would probably be a I in Android ever since the nexus phones, I guess so that that would make them stand out a little bit. I think that Google has has some branding to play on with things like a. I mean, I don't know how these work outside the US or if they ever will. But some of the assistant stuff there are some pixel exclusive features the unlimited photos and everything will see if they can we'll see what they end up doing there. But right now, I do think that there is something that will make them stand out even spec. Interested markets where people maybe do upgrade very often. Maybe don't want to be upgrading quite so often. And I do wonder how much the software update expectation promise is really going to permeate at that lower price point Daniel, and I were talking about the Android one market, which for the most part is at a lower price point than even these. It's mostly in that two fifty three hundred dollar range, and you just wonder how much I mean, obviously, we hear from a lot of people that care about that as a feature an Android. One one of the biggest draws is that because it's cheaper phones that would even less are even less likely to be updated regularly or for a long time that should be a huge. Plus, and yet it just doesn't really take off that. Well, obviously Nokia's kind of the poster child for Andrew at one phones. But you just wonder how much of a draw that is when you start to get into this value focused thing where let's like, yeah, that's cool that you're gonna give me updates. But like does it have the core competencies in the specs and features that I want 'cause when I think about value. I'm thinking about those things that are in this phone right now, I also wonder Google had its Q one earnings report earlier this week and one one thing that Ruth part. The chief financial officer said was that there was significant pressure in the flagship space which affected pixel sales Google has never disclosed phone sales. At all. I mean, they rarely make their earnings report about hardware, and even as they have ramped up their hardware output. They really don't don't talk about it much because it still doesn't make money. It's it's basically it's a it's a rounding error when it comes to their overall revenue that said the pixel three is not selling well in relation to the. Pixel two we don't know whether that's a significant drip drop or whether the pixel two it self and sell that. Well, but we've heard numbers five ten million units. I think that's still too high. But my question is is Google just is is their strategy. And I this is a really bad analogy. David you're going to be mad at me. But you know, how for longtime Motorola would release the Moto X. So that it could release the Moto g you know, what I'm saying. Is it getting to the point where Google is going to bring a lot of its best features to the high end. So that it can make them cheaper. And then eventually released them in the mid range. You know, honestly, I think that the question is what is Google strategy and bring out these cheaper phones because it will almost by necessity kneecap itself in doing so if it brings the larger super set of features from the more expensive ones, and that's what everybody's going to point out. And it's going to be a very fair point to make. And I think that does like it begs the question, why are you making the super premium phones? Then what are we getting out of that that experienced it is really going to be noticeably so much better. So I think that we don't have good insight into what Google's goals with the pixel brand are, and I think that's the biggest problem. Trying to understand why why they want to do this. Like, why would you release them six months after? Think that the reason for that is they wanna give the premium they wanna give the flagship product it's window to have those features where nobody else has them. You've got to buy the ship product right now. But if you wait six months, you're going to get a lot of them. If you buy the cheaper phone that said, you still consumers aren't bad stupid. They're going to understand like well, just wait for the if that becomes kind of the the the desire that people start to have. And they start to understand that. So I do sometimes wonder how much the whole. We always like to talk about how Google does AB testing and Google I think hates when people say this. I think the livid when any product is described as a b test to another day. But honestly, I think it's so true they allow I don't see the set of cheaper pixel phone is complementary to the premiums icy them as competitors. Like, they could very well eat into the premium phone sales in a real way that makes the premium foam program, even more unsustainable. So I do I do worry about that. So especially when you work from the standpoint of knowing that the the three and three XL just like the two to excel aren't selling, particularly well in the first place, a kind of just creates the vacuum underneath for you know, whatever else. And if if people are already not choosing the by the three and three XL, presumably mostly for the price, you know, ghoulish just losing sales to every. Other phone that's priced underneath and is somewhat comparable. You know? You'd think one plus for example, but Google is not only competing with Samsung and apple in the high in in the high end, it's also competing with a maturing and slowing market in general a market that is holding onto phones longer that where your value proposition is increasingly diffuse because every phone we were talking about how no phone under five hundred dollars has a great camera. But the reality is that every phone under one hundred dollars or two hundred dollars has a decent camera that you can use fairly well that is reliable, and I'm curious to the the term proposition of a mid range Google phone Google pixel. Presumably this won't be the only year that we company releases a four. Hundred dollar phone. In the long term what what happens to that higher end model, especially where right now six months later, you get that seven hundred ninety nine dollars pixel three for five hundred ninety nine dollars. Yeah. This is kind of been a thing. That's permeated. Just with the number of discount. Sit of come out the discounts on the three and three XL were sooner and more aggressive than they were with the previous generation pixels. And that already kind of rub people the wrong way a little bit. So the existence of the three and three a excel in this cycle. I think will kind of color the launch you would assume of the pixel four if they if they don't launch another which you wouldn't think you'd launch another mid range one of four a or whatever at the same time and Google not the only company where this is happening. Apple almost immediately discounted or at least incentivize up. Grades to the iphone ten are because despite its claims that it was the top selling iphone every day since its launch. This iphone is just not selling very well in comparison to previous quarters in fact, revenue for this quarter dropped precipitously. And if it wasn't for increases in wearables and services revenue. This would have been a pretty bad quarter will relatively speaking that quarter for apple. So it's it's just like, and we're talking about on iphone scale when they're selling hundreds of millions of phones a year, Google scale is just tiny David like, it's it's just so yeah, I agree. And the the few were phones you sell the harder is to make them the first place. It's not it's not as you can operate a batik phone business that doesn't work. There's there's no such thing. So without without the volume you can't justify the investment. So I think this is where we start to learn, you know, is this a long term investment for Google are smart is making smartphones. Something that Google willing to lose money on for a decade in order just to establish itself. And given the way Google, you know, Google can be very very is. Sometimes. Have kind of throwaway culture about products their unsuccessful to say, no, we're done with it. It's leaving and just start something completely new Google can also I think I think there is more of a tendency in the Google of today versus the Google of ten years ago to say when they are doing something that unless it really crashes and burns, you know, the other bets kind of you know, everything that's not search everything that's not advertising. I think that they are trying to say really trying to say we're not going to let it go unless it has a business plan where we're going to see that it's going to be profitable. Or we have we have a path to get there. So that puts phones in interesting situation because phones by their nature becoming a less profitable business. And also if you're a small player in the phone space, it's even harder to become profitable, Google has a lot of brand leverage that it can push. It has a lot of consumer recognition. It can offer. A product that is superior in many ways SC. Optician it has actual merit over competing products. But bike said market so mature so saturated in people's brand preferences often so established or price sensitive. You know that it's hard for a company like Google to get in there and do something. So I think we're going to see in the next two or three years what really the medal of Google's the medal of Google smartphone. Like as a business like how invested are. They in this Google need to make phones. I think it's a fair question. Do they need to make them and it also from an the kind of a back end Google counting perspective, it's a little more interesting or tougher to cut ties with it because it's part of greater hardware effort, whether or not just making phones, they have this entire hardware division, making all sorts of other things in Google homes and the Google home and chrome cast, and you know, home hub nest cetera arena that are actually very popular. And are much easier to justify from Google's perspective. Because obviously, you're you're are indeed in development and cost of goods sold is way way way lower on a per unit basis in your obviously making it up in volume, and it's directly, you know, that part of the hardware business can be directly tied in a tributed to the growth of Google assistant and Google search and therefore ads in there for money. And that's in the same exact division. That is making these phones that are, you know, very critically not being tied directly to generating money for Google. It's you know in the in the read column instead, and that makes it harder. I think to just completely cut bait and leave the phone business. And so it may take years and years before they finally make that decision assuming that they're still going all in on the rest of their hardware efforts. It's I think tell. Failing that other companies like Sony L G. I mean, David the last time you were on this podcast. You predicted that LG would be out of the phone business within a year that was prior to the launch of the g eight, and we know that that phone hasn't been very well received the company's about to release the v fifty again, another very carrier Centric phone. This was specifically built to show off the five G nascent five G networks on sprints. And I think horizon. But you know, the less we talk about that basically v forty rehash the better. So it's interesting like Google is positioning itself as a premium smartphone maker in. A parallel to its development of Android, which is increasingly. Separate from alias p Android there's Google Android. There's AO SP, Android. I just it's very confusing, especially as it. Integrates more assistant features into place services that are rolled out by decree to every single Android phone, regardless of which manufacturers from I think that we're gonna talk about how Google handles Android in general, and how it relates spark phone business. I think we've been watching Google decouple Android from smartphones themselves and how smartphones developed as much as humanly possible in the last five years, and we've already seen rumors that Google is going to start probably pushing out updates via place or mechanism and also the potential that Google is going to start breaking up updates into core pieces where manufacturers can take bits and pieces of Android OS update. And maybe get the other ones ends of the phone later because it might require more worker more under the changes, just so you can get the new. Features, you know, new visible in interface features that maybe don't require the full OS to upgrade. So we've been watching this happened with Android for years. But it's just not it's not core to the smartphone experience. Google is pushing I think you'll go talks a big game about, you know, pure, Android, Google, Android on the pixel phones, realistically Android itself is is irrelevant is his ever been to the actual experience on the phone now, it's all Google apps in products like you said everything who play ervices that's all being bundled up in the proprietary and non public code. So I think that Google is definitely pushing that way phones, and it's hoping and we're seeing we we've seen hints of it in recent years where they just abuse something I'm pixel phones and say, well, it's only on pixel for now and eventually comes to everything else because goal knows that. If it starts holding features hostage on its phones partners are going to get very very antsy about that. And I think with duplex. We've seen the first one where they've been duplex original quality photos. Upload. Are the first ones where they seem to be holding the line so far where there's nobody else gets it at least for now. So was screening call screenings not just on pixels. That's on Android one. Now, it's gonna come to Moto Nokia. So it's it's gonna that one. They're rolling out. I would I would not be surprised if duplexes eventually one they released from their grasp, but I would be very curious to see when pixel force announced what kind of features. They they start to reserve because I think honestly if you're Google and you are trying to grow the smartphone business at all costs. You do start e e you have to start silent features away from your competitors. Because if you just give everything away what what value is there in your product compared to everybody else's. Yeah. You can continue making deals to bundle launchers with the Google feed or the messages app and whatnot. But those are such small potatoes when it comes to their core business model of you're showing you as many ads in as many places as possible. I just I wonder Google maps, for instance, just that's on every Android phone, and that is a much more important product to most people than call screwing, maybe call screening, but something like duplex. And it's just if for me like Google photos, the integration of photos into the OS into the I don't have to think about it. I could I could do the same on an iphone and eventually would upload in the background, but the integration of photos into the Android. It self is one of the major reasons it's my message. I mean, when you think about the reason that I love Android, it that is as important to me as I messages to phone users and every year, it just gets more and more important. And I wonder how many of those features that are Android specific or Google specific are people holding onto as their reasons for staying on Android. I. Can't think of many Google photos is really the one Google has been that rare breakout Google product where I think that is definitely something a lot of people are now using and I think a lot of people are using iphones to which once again is because you can't help it self it wants the data. That's that's the life flood. And so I understand it's definitely it's they have business units with competing interests. And that is something that apple can happily say, Nope, we don't, and that's that's an advantage cough. Yeah. Exactly. So it's such a problem for them. It's something that's definitely hurting the smartphone business. All right. Well. Obviously, you two will be covering I o extensively. So we'll leave it there for now. We'll have a podcast I soon you Andrew will do a podcast live for my. Oh, because why not do as no better place to do it? So stay tuned for that next week, and we'll have all of the actual announcements, including what we talked about today around the new pixel phones, we didn't talk about the rumored nest hub, we've heard inklings that that would be announced as well. So hub a whole super max major. It sounds like a lottery for the name of a lottery, it's not a product. But yes, stay tuned for that. The keynote starts at ten AM Pacific one PM eastern on Tuesday may seventh which it'll be a lot of fun. And it'll be streaming from Google's website as well. David. Thank you so much, man. This is this is been a ton of fun. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on where can people find you? If they want to learn more about what? What you do? And what you say. That's that's Android. Police dot com. You can also find me in the Android. Police slack. Rhyme, usually yelling at somebody and also on Twitter at RDR V three. I don't recommend following. But oh, I do you are you do you want? Hot takes on bring a trailer listings than our DR hot shakes trailer onto wants Andrew showed me that they had a Twitter feed. I hooked forever now. Like, I can't. It's it's Twitter has me locked in on so many levels. Turn onto notifications for bring a trailer. I think you two should have a car podcast. That would be really fun. I think it would be insufferable. Yes, exactly. It would be it would be horrendous because it would be four hours long twice a week. And it would literally just be reading bring a trailer listings and Scoffing. Yeah. Pretty much. It'd be like at nine nine six prices. Look at those headlights what a joke. Oh my God. Oh, man. I would definitely not listen to that. Well. David. Thank you, Andrew. I guess throughout your your credentials because why not? Yeah. Yeah. Andrew Martin IC on Twitter, where I also re tweet bring a trailer links, and you know. Argue with other people about just about everything else. Yeah. That's also a fun fun feed. My name is Daniel you can find me at journey Dan on Twitter, you can find us at Android central dot com. Thank you so much for listening. Send your thoughts to podcast, Android central. Love. Love love hearing from you know, homework this week because I'm letting you off the hook. And we will definitely be back next week with a live show from Goliath. Stay tuned for that. And thanks for listening talk to you later. Bye. Bye.

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Desire is a Buildable Muscle | Tom Bilyeu AMA

Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu

31:29 min | 1 year ago

Desire is a Buildable Muscle | Tom Bilyeu AMA

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Plus, the twenty dollars off your first box by using the discount code T O M that is T O M when you check out butcher box dot com. Enjoy and be legendary. All right. Without further ado, it is time for that. First question. And the first one comes to us from Michael Fisher, you said to be fulfilled. He must acquire skills at something you care deeply about while acquiring those skills should you in a while acquiring those skills, should you? Enjoy your day to day or let your end goal of the impact you will have another fuel you. So it's going to be a bit of both. The reality is that you should be working your ass off to put yourself in a position where you can enjoy the day today. But some of that enjoyment really is going to be loving that doing the hard things and pushing yourself and gaining new skills is in and of itself fun. So you're going to go back and forth between yes my day to day is just Radan actually really do love this. And the bulk of what I'm doing a really enjoy. But use cold showers is a great example. So I hate the cold shower itself, but I really really value. How that makes me feel about myself on I feel the same way about learning. A new skill anytime, especially if something. Has relevance in my life. Like right now, I'll tell you that learning the. Industry of comic books, and maybe even more like to the point getting good at networking, which radically my entire life. And people always think that I'm being humble. And I really really mean this. I'm absolutely terrible from cold start. If I've never met somebody, I feel so fucking awkward. It is pure insanity. And this last couple of weeks, I've realized that to really get good in the world of comics that there's a whole universe people that I need to meet and really begin to network with and to do that. I have got to stop telling myself that I'm bad at networking. I've got to flip that switch my mind say I'm gonna learn the skill. I'm going to get great at it. I'm not going to worry about anxiety or anything like that. I'm just going to March forward, and I'm going to gain the skill that my goals require. And that is it. And so starting at the emerald city Comecon what week ten days ago, I started having that attitude and setting rules for myself and saying that I need to go do this. And as soon as I made that switch in my mind. Suddenly it started to be fun again because I was just focusing. On I'm going to get good at this. And that notion of thinking into my future and being like Faulk, I'm good at this. I'm getting powerful at this. That is so pleasant because I have chosen to value by my like entire self. My identity is tied up in valuing improvement getting better and not focusing so much on being good at something. But the willingness to sincerely pursue it. And then reminding myself that that skill will have utility. So I start imagining out even in those moments from feeling super awkward in those moments where anxiety is kicking in I sort of mentally project myself into the place where I'm getting good of the skill. I'm pushing myself doing the hard things all of that. And that actually makes that moment fund. So that I can enjoy even when I'm sort of scraping, my knees metaphorically, and you know, I'm doing something that is painful, but on the other side of that is that real excitement for knowing what having that skill is going to mean in my life. So that's what you're going to alternate between. Not everything that you're going to do on the day to day is going to be fun. But if you can in those moments, lean on the fun of the acquisition, then it can be interesting. But you don't want to do something long term like where I did for eight Neff years just chasing money, not enjoying building the company that was building not believing in it that was a drain and in the end you will wear out JP recently. I had the opportunity to attend Tony Robbins UP w unleash the power within in LA. I'm so glad that I went as it was freaking amazing. I noticed a lot of similarities regarding the message that Tony conveys being in charge of your state acquiring new skills to increase your value being self aware and breaking negative patterns starting the day with meditation and gratitude et cetera and can easily tell that he is probably one of the bigger influences on your life. I am curious about who are other figures that deeply influence you, and what books or media would you recommend somebody that starting his journey into acquiring a growth mindset. So yes, Tony is a massive massive influence on me. I. I just think that he is so real and that if you take his advice, it will make your life better. I know because I took it and it made my life better. And if you haven't yet seen the interview that I did with him I recorded an absurdly long absurd. Even by my own standards, absurdly long intro because I just felt like I really had to recognize him for the impact that he's had not only on me. But on an entire generation of people trying to get an empowered mindset now in terms of what books you should read. You wanna go to impact their E dot com. Am I reading lists? There. It is in order of how to build the just absolutely unstoppable mindset, and some of the people that you will find they're not the least of which is Stanford professor Carol dws who wrote the book mindset, and it is phenomenal. And I think is the single most important book in the English language. I cannot hide that enough grit by Angela Duckworth is another great one extreme ownership by. Daca Willink in life Babb in the obstacles the way by Ryan holiday. I mean, these are all just extrordinary thinkers that are giving you the information that you're going to need to build your mindset. I think those are some of the people that have really had an extraordinary influence on my mind on the way that I think my wife be remiss if I didn't mention her she has really really helped shape. My mind set on has been a huge influence yet in to get her thoughts. You can certainly dive into what she's doing on women of impact you'll hear the way that she thinks her relationship there you hear the way that she thinks I'm at least on those topics. Yeah. If you start with those if you read the books in order, I think that it's really really going to help shape your mind, and and those people that are really helped shape mine. All right. Justin best normally when I take a cold shower. I stand there and suffering. Silence today are really didn't want to take a cold shower. So I put on some music sang along and danced under the cold water. This drill. Well, I really enjoyed it. And the shower flew by afterward, I felt guilty guilty. As if I had cheated because I enjoyed it. I notice I do this on other things as well. When I enjoy what I'm doing. I often don't feel like I'm doing real work. How can I stop feeling guilty about enjoying the process when I'm doing the work? This is crazy. So I completely understand the feeling that has bananas. But I have the same problem. So fucking weird. Like right now. So we're building a film studio, and I still feel guilty when I watch movies. So it is it's crazy, and you have to shake yourself out of that mindset. And so here is what I do one. I focus on what my goal is. And I remind myself that the whole point of life is to enjoy yourself like as you're requiring all these skills have utility and allow you to serve yourself and other people like all of it because it should be fun. Like, there should be a deep sense of filament that comes from doing all this stuff. And look if I could have sustained pleasure from just eating a bowl of ice cream and sitting around and I'd be all for. That because the end goal here is to feel good about yourself. The end goal is to enjoy yourself and Yasser is a big difference between feeling good about yourself and feeling good in the moment. If you will. But finding a way to enjoy hard things is fucking awesome. And if you can find a way to enjoy a hard thing, you are in no way, shape or form cheating, man. You are winning. That is exactly the kind of thing that we all need to be doing is finding ways to really enjoy the day to day grind or doesn't have to be a grind. But the day to day things that we're doing like you want to find a way. So that's not cheating man that is super brilliant, and you should lean into that. And find other ways to enjoy things that are difficult for you. And I'm always looking for that. So when I'm in the gym, and let me tell you in the moments where I'm like, really struggling something. I focus on the result. Because I'm not having fun in the