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"michael duran" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
"So on. I think it's now kind of a con game. And what is the objective for Iran? Russia we see is nostalgia for the Soviet Union. We see a anti status co actor creating eddies in the currents to profit their own geopolitics. What is Iran's big end strategy? It wants to undermine the American order in the region. This is still the Islamic Republic and it still had the leadership still has a worldview that was molded by the Islamic extremism of the Iranian revolution. But it is also morphed a little bit. I think the analogy now is kind of like the Soviet Union in the last couple of decades. We're screwed. Yeah. And how much do people on the street does the ideology of the regime? No, they don't really believe in it, but yet they've built a certain system and they are prisoners of that system. So if they were to renounce the if they were to renounce the. Fundamentals of the Islamic revolution, then they wouldn't have the relationship with his brother, for example. So some of its ideological, but what's crept in there? I mean, some of it's Islamic extremism. Shiite extremism. But Persian nationalism is correctly and Persian nationalism is older than the Iranian revolution. We're going to keep on packing it because of the feckless a strategic behavior of the current administration with senior fellow the Hudson institute, Michael Duran, senior, a former senior director of the National Security Council for Middle Eastern affairs and also deputy assistant Secretary of Defense formerly. This is America first one. And what if you enjoy the deep dive with guests who actually know of what they speak and are newsmakers themselves, don't forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you get your podcasts such as Spotify, just look for my name Sebastian gorka America first, subscribe to date, spread the word write us a review, and you'll never miss a thing. Dear Friends, if you haven't done so already, I really encourage you to join me and dinesh de Sousa for our stand with Israel tour ten days this November December in the Holy Land to walk where our lord and savior walk the earth. We're going to all the key sites. The ancient city of Jerusalem, the temple mound, the holy church of the sepulchre, the Sea of Galilee, caesarea, you name it kaper. Please reserve your tickets for the trip of a lifetime. Even if you've been to Israel, you haven't been with me and anesthesia 8 5 5 5 6 5. I can see Mike's notting his head. I think he's going to join us. That's 8 5 5 5 6 5 55 19 mag Morgan, former CBP commissioner says he's gonna come with us. It's gonna be a blast. Come on, guys, 8 5 5 5 6 5 55 19, or just go to stand with Israel tour dot com. That's stand with Israel tour dot com. Whether it's the regular hellcat or whether it's the compensated RDP with that miniature red dot, I loveable. How did it take so long to invent a factory compensated subcompact 9 millimeter? Well,.
"michael duran" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
"So, dear Friends, one on one, we're gonna go deep dive here in America first on Mars of geopolitics and strategy. You know, the stuff I love. Why? Because we are on the brink. Of another war in Europe. We've had to save Europe twice already in the last century, are going to have to do it again. Let's remind the world of what it was like when we were in The White House. The president's name was Donald Trump. And he didn't invade any countries, but he used force judiciously cut one. I was sitting at the table. We had finished dinner. We're now having dessert. And we had the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake that you've ever seen. And president Xi was enjoying it. And I said, mister president, let me explain something to you. This is during dessert. What happens, as I said, we've just launched 59 missiles. Heading to Iraq. Headed to Syria. Yes, heading toward Syria. Over chocolate cake. Jail strategy and chocolate cake. Who better to discuss it with an a man who has been senior director in the National Security Council? That's Washington speak for deputy assistant Secretary of Defense. He's senior fellow with the Hudson institute and we just love to have him here 'cause he cackles and laughs whenever we mention max boot. Michael Duran, welcome to America first one on one. Great to be here. I feel guilty when I do that though. But it was so heartfelt. We've got the video with D and I'm right now. You and our buddy, Jim Carrera, we played a clip of what was Eric. Do you remember what the phrase was max boot mentioned? He was describing president Trump's foreign policy towards Iran as, quote, bellicose isolationism. Bella coast isolation. You guys heard that you just barely laughed on live radio. Yeah. I do feel guilty though, because max and I were very good friends. But that's what he was still saying Mike. Man, I don't know what happened. Well, you know what's happened. It's called TDS that it's real. Trump arrangement is in Israel. Okay, so let's start at the beginning. Let's do a little. It's a little survey of the last 12 months, if you will, from your perch, you specialize on the Middle East. You have a canny sense of the geopolitical. Did you expect it? And I don't have to do potteries down politics here, but let's just talk geo politics, geo strategy. Did you expect the international system to be as unstable as quickly as it has become? No. I expected bad things, but there are things worse than I expected. It's so bad that I don't get any partisan pleasure out of it because I'm worried about the United States. So can you put down some of the major factors of the ingredients of why that happened for me? It's enemies who feel reassured and friends who are worried. Could you unpack it? That's it. That's exactly what it is. I mean, because what Biden is doing is he is this is the third term of Obama. And the centerpiece of his policy is appeasement of Iran. And I say that not I say appeasement not as not as a slur word. That is what they're trying to do. They're trying to come to they're trying to come to an accommodation with Iran by giving it pretty much all that it wants. Okay, I got a stumpy there. Running some amazing research projects at Hudson on the threat of Iran. For those who are fed up with 20 years of what president Trump called the dumb wars, the stupid wars, can you really explain in the panoply of national security threats, why Iran is different and why we have to take it so seriously? Iran is the ally of Russia and China. And it is the instrument with which the two of them are the two of them are using to undermine the American order in the Middle East so that basically what's going to happen if we don't wise up is China is going to take over the Middle East. And then it's going to control the global oil, the global trade in oil. And it's going to use that position then to detach Europe from the United States and to get gain advantage over its allies over its enemies in East Asia. If you're just looking at it from the we can look at it from the Chinese point of view, you can go to the Iranian point. I've heard from the Russian Russia. Let's.
"michael duran" Discussed on The Andrew Klavan Show
"Far too willing to cede their freedoms to authoritarian bureaucrats in the name of public. Health and enough is enough. Please stand with us and the daily wire and most importantly the rights of all american citizens so as you know occasionally on the show to to break up the usual thing we like to bring people want to actually know things And michael duran is a senior fellow at hudson institute in washington. Dc he specializes in middle east security issues. He has a really original way of looking at things. Well i wanted to bring my on to talk about What's happening in the middle east. Basically what's happening in our foreign policy general. Generally mike you there. I'm here great to be here. Drew it's good to see you. It's good to see you. I you know. Obviously this afghanistan thing is a an utter disaster. But where do you stand on whether we should have been there. Nodar gotten out or or not. I'm kind of in the mushy middle on this. Because what's always bothered me about. Afghanistan is not that we were there but the mission was very unclear and the and the mission kept shifting. I used to work in the defense department. And i remember one time. I was sitting at a table with a bunch of generals. They were talking about afghanistan. An occurred to me that if we went around to each one of them and and said who are we fighting. What are we fighting about. What is victory looked like. And how do we achieve it. There would have been as many answers as there were people around the table. Even maybe even more answers than there were people around the table. It was totally unclear. And it's that's that's not just a A mistake on primarily mistake of the military. That's also mistake of the Political echelon from the beginning wasn't wasn't really the the mission was never clearly defined so Once you have That undefined mission. It means that a lot of extraneous Forces can go go to work and there's no way to you know you can get mission creep but also means that the american public then starts to lose to lose interest to lose the confidence and that's that's what i think bothers me the most. I think the american public will support these kinds of things witnessed very clearly defined. Why were there and what we need to do. But when it keeps shifting and then we started saying we're gonna make afghanistan into a democracy. Which is frankly. I think ridiculous Now i can say that now. I've i've always had doubts about this Democracy promotion agenda but For a long time it was It it wasn't acceptable to express it so now that we've done this and we've done it in such a bad way. You're looking at at the middle east in general. What's the situation. Where where are we going from here. in your opinion in the middle east well just to be clear. I totally agree with you. The way the way this was the way this withdrawal was handled was the worst possible thing that that you could do. Once you want to get out. We got out in such a way that we damaged ourselves. I don't think the damages. I don't think the damage is total. Best by which i mean. I think if you're taiwan and you have doubts about the united states Which you probably do. If you're taiwan. I don't think they were really that significantly changed by what we did in afghanistan or if you're japan because the boundaries of the you know the the the spectrum of us Commitment and And beauity i think is pretty clear in east asia to those actors in the middle east. I think it's a different thing. I think Every leader in the middle east now both allies and enemies. They can now clearly imagine a post american middle east. I i'm not. I'm not saying that we're going to get that. But i'm saying that the leaders can all imagine it very clearly and that has real world effects because it means that people start people are hedging anyway. It's natural in the middle east. A hedge for all kinds of reasons. But i think that the hedging behavior is going to increase. And when you add that. Sorry if you add to that the fact that i think we are empowering the worst actors in the middle east right now just like. We're empowering the taliban that that's going to make things worse so what was. This was the whole idea of the war on terror mistake. I mean Side from the mission creep in the changing missions. There was this big idea from the very beginning somehow. We were going to reform islam as a ridiculous idea of islam. Going to me. It's been what it is for thousands of years For more than a thousand years is going to continue to be what it is. I think i think the the the thing that was most wrong. Was that we elevated the war on terror. The fighting terror groups and islamism and radical islam and so forth to us to a first tier strategic goal and that. That was the mistake. I think that that was the big mistake. Because our job is to create an international order that that protects our interests and the interests of our major allies and that is a game between states What has always bothered me from the nine. Eleven on is the way we started talking about fighting terror groups al qaeda isis and so on as the number one priority without any thought about the about the or with us the international order the.
"michael duran" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA
"I responded to longer hand video message. People like Deputy Rudy Bueno, we're sharing their stories of that day. Bueno are retired NYPD officer who now works in Hillsboro, says he got a number of calls to respond to the World Trade Center. I had a job. No, it wasn't. It wasn't time for me to ask questions. I have doubts. I had a responsibility, Christine Frieda says now on H CSO Intelligence analyst and was among those responding at the Pentagon. Everything in the pile was a mishmash of Melted office, telephones and luggage and shredded clothes. Warrant Officer Michael Duran sums it up by saying people remember, and that makes me feel better Read Shepherd NEWS radio. W F L A. Some changes are on the way to a program aimed at teens who get in trouble in Hillsborough County Sheriff Chad Chronis Ter says With some exceptions, anyone between ages eight and 17 charged with a first time non violent misdemeanor. Is eligible for the county's juvenile arrest avoidance program. It allows authorities to issue civil citations but not arrest the child, while we certainly do not encourage or could know misbehavior. I think we can all relate and understand that Children do make mistakes. And they should not suffer long term consequences for a poor and immature decision. Minister says Parental consent is no longer a requirement in any deputy considering the rest of a child under 12. I'll have to get a second opinion from the supervisor. The 75 FT. Tall, Welcome to ST Petersburg Tower at the south End of the Howard Franklin Bridge will be coming down this fall. The Times says. Construction crews will take down the eight year old sign to make room for a new span of the bridge, which is set to open to traffic in 2024. Sierra cries. Min's office says the city is mulling over its options on what to do with the tower and what type of welcoming sign to be placed along the bridge. The tower initially cost about a half million dollars. Stay informed during hurricane season with W F l A news dot coms Operation Storm Watch brought to you by Morgan Exteriors. It's 505. This is a Bloomberg money minute. Wall Street's recovery from its Labor Day selloff fizzled after just one day. Stocks closed sharply lower yesterday, racing most of Wednesday's gains. Chief strategist Matt Malia at Miller Tayback says We'd better get used to this. He sees a bumpy road ahead. Volatility, volatility, volatility and it looks like it's going to be with us for For a little bit for a little while. Now the NASDAQ lead yesterday's losses down nearly 2%, the Dal Anus and Pea lost around 1.5%. Kroger will be out with its second quarter results ahead of today's opening, and it's expected to show a continued benefit from at home trends related to the pandemic, including digital sales. And contactless offerings. More inflation uses on the economic calendar today with a government report on August consumer prices. Economist CIA 3/10 of 1% gain from July Report yesterday showed 2/10 of 1% increase in wholesale prices last month. Kowski Bloomberg radio. What does covert 19 have to do with losing her home? Well, a lot. Cyber crime is up 75% since the virus hit us, Rudy Giuliani here,.
"michael duran" Discussed on 77WABC Radio
"Duran of the Heritage Foundation, is also the author of a book about Dwight David Eisenhower called affectionately Ike. And what is striking in the colloquy between Congressman Nunes and author Duran is how they reflect upon the media presentation of Republicans of the moment that is theory Republican in office in the White House. As not very bright. I'm being diplomatic here. The harsher words air used. These same words, however, have been applied to every Republican president, at least since the second World War. It is striking. Having a very good evening to you. Michael Duran pointed out something that you also have observed with Donald Trump. But the revelation is that it was also applied to Dwight David Eisenhower to Richard Nixon to everyone. Is there an explanation for this? You've been in Washington long enough to know. Do they joke about how it's okay to call the Republican? Stupid. Good evening to Devon. Thanks, John. It's great to be with you again this evening and One thing that's good about doing a podcast. My own podcast is I interview people that I always learn something from And the question you ask, is that Are Republicans. Do They remember these things that happened to our presidential candidates? And I think sadly, the answer has been no. But after this last four years with the unr relent, ng attacks that never seemed to end on President Trump always from the same people, always from anonymous officials. Always, you know, with the same garbage. Um, I think it's it's it's opportune time for us to look back and in retrospect and and how others were treated, Uh and no Victor Davis Hanson mediators on your show a lot. I wrote a book about this on. Of course, you know, I I actually for gotten that peered elect Oh, the senator from Utah now, which is the former governor? Love. Massachusetts to all of us supported back in 2012. A lot of us had for gotten that he was deemed Richie Rich and I didn't have any feelings for anyone. He beat up a high school student when he was in high school. Do you remember that? When a bully he waas that Mr You know some some weird story about animal cruelty and that he was a strapping dogs to the car. And you now you notice that you know Romney is now the hero. I guess that hurt his feelings back then, so he's now making up for it with, you know, Daily attack on Republicans, uh, just total embarrassment for those of us who not only Put a lot of time and effort to support him as a candidate. Even with our concerns about his liberal passed in Massachusetts now see that you know just when he's the definition of a swamp creature, But But regardless The point has been the podcast that Romney was was was all these nasty things that he no longer is today. And then, oddly enough, back in 2008, it was McCain won. McCain was going to bomb the hell out of everybody who's going to ST gonna bomb Iran bomb? You know everybody there is going to start a war with everybody because he's on stable. You never recovered from his war injuries, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And you know, the irony Now is, is that Oh my God. McCain's a wonderful man. He's a great guy, the same people that they'll have attacked him back in 2008. And then you know, I was around for George W. Bush is eight years in office and You know, the whole idea was that he was a warmonger. And then he was an idiot. On top of that You had a Texas accent, and he was a total moron. And so when I was talking to Mike Duran, we were talking about this. And up came, which is this is something that I did not know. Ah, and have that Dwight D. Eisenhower, who, of course, is the famous general now, But he went back and did a lot of research and had actually discovered that if you were around in the 19 fifties and sixties paying attention By the left wing media and the Democrats to the same thing. You know, he was not a war general. He was a moron. And so we talked a little bit about Mike Durant book. He's with the Hudson Institute. And I would just say, John, It's one of the great things about being able to do a podcast Every week is I'm sure you do this every day. But you you learn a lot from the from your guest. I wanted extend my remarks to the surprise that I learned that, according to the Democrats, and those people call themselves never Trumpers. I misremembered. George W. Bush. It turns out he was a genius and foreign affairs. Did you know that, Devon? Did you know yet that they all look forward to a day when the Republican president is a smart is George W. Bush and we get away from Donald Trump? That's the comparison is being made now. Right Right now it's it's just It's incredible how they not only rewrite the history that they create, so they create a false narrative on a Republican president, and then they turn around and they As long as they will acquiesce and do what the media wants. They'll say nice things about him. It's like a you scratch my back. I'll scratch yours type of operation if you're a You know if you're a Republican that wants to maintain You? No good. If you want good things to be written about you in the mainstream media the edge on your exactly right before both of the seven I was alive but a small person. Eisenhower. Dwight David Eisenhower was persecuted by the national media long before there was social media as stupid as poorly read as ill educated because he had a strange way of saying things that turned out all B. Calculating, but he was derided when he was in office. And that's why I I do not believe I My memory is is is doesn't include Harding, but I do not believe I remember. Warren Harding or Herbert who for being derided as stupid when they were in office. But once the Depression hit, Hoover was written off as you've ruined the country, but I don't remember anybody ever calling him stupid. He was a very bright man. The point of your podcast was also about China and Mike Duran was there to talk about China from the Heritage Foundation. Your measure now, Devon, you're a lot closer to China than I am. The Trump Administration has taken us down a road where we're confronting China on human rights were also control of confronting China on its on the bad relationship, the bad trade relationship we've had these many years but now has gotten down to a contest that you say includes the military and Cyberespionage China, always pilfering in this country and sending real spies into this country. Do you believe this road is reversible under Donald Trump and Xi Jinping? Or must we go for a completely new government in Beijing before we can have have Ah, ah, responsible relationship with China? Well, John, I think our expectation they're very, very low. Ji. It seems like he's a guy despite having AH, such great opportunities to Be a peaceful leader and really lead China into the next stage of development, which would be to focus on improving the quality of life for citizens. And this was kind of always the misnomer that a lot of us fell for. I don't think there was very few people. Now that are out there that are involved in foreign policy. I I don't think unless they're not telling the truth. Ah, stop that. Hey, eventually we're going to become normal trade normalization. These guys are going to bring a bunch of people out of poverty there going to be great trading partners. And why on earth when they have so many poor people, Why would they want to create a strong military and do and go after world domination? Well, the answer is because they can a lot of people, big economy, a lot of smart people stealing our weapons, our Web, military and intelligence capabilities on their building the Silk Road and there's some people that have been away ahead of this, John and I will say that you're awfully kind to say it..
"michael duran" Discussed on 860AM The Answer
"Hello everybody Dennis Prager here gonna go straight to my guest Michael Duran I read to you from his piece in The New York Times a couple of days ago senior fellow at the Hudson institute the service departments of state and defense hello the National Security Council Michael Duran welcome to the Dennis Prager show right now thanks for having me the question before anything about Iran how did you get published on the New York times the opinion page with the opinions that you espoused you know I don't look a gift horse in about you know I don't know okay it with the fact that I use the word assassination and they are rather than you know justified killing or something like that I don't know so so the question is legitimate one you don't have to say I don't I don't put you on the spot I hope you get published illicit people I got the same question because the is that the event this gigantic article on pre university of The New York Times last Sunday and people of Ashley how did that happen and you learn about how to happen that we were covered but how did it happen that it it wasn't a hit piece and and so I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth either you know it's funny I I'm I wasn't always conservative I used to be liberal use of teachers the Princeton University there is one thing that I know about I think you would agree with me and that that that they actually believe they are open minded there that they're not you know what out to give us all the time so yeah I think if you if you're dressed under the you know in a respectful manner and in many cases sometimes well that's the that's the distinction I draw every day between liberal left I think there is hope would liberals I don't there's no hope with leftist yeah there's a there's a there's a range of opinion in there and that the the the fact the letter is in our society today in universities and in the media educated people don't come into contact with intelligent people want conservative view stay out there because they refused to it's it's not hard to find us there were so many spectacularly intelligent conservative websites if they could go to who let alone we'll listen to shows like this and and and hear people like you so they choose not to so it's not that we don't exist it's that they choose to believe we don't exist overall I totally agree there were points you and we we know them better than you thank you your mom and that's that's right that is that is exactly the case we know them and they don't know us all right let's go to we run now but why don't you in a nutshell tell everybody solar money was so morning when the architect of your region asymmetric warfare against the United States and its allies he's the guy who put together this network of malicious but they have been spread across the Arab world center home they are delivering precision guided weaponry he was absolutely indispensable in their system he was unique your words are he was the actual but the fact foreign minister for Iran your review has a in his errand boy he's the one who really determined all and all of the areas most important relationships how they would be or how they would be run he was technically the number two in the revolutionary guards because he was the head of the codes force that's there there are external action arm but in fact he was the more important figure you have a direct line to the supreme leader he'd been doing this for decades the killing what warm what is the single most important step the United States is almost consequential spent United States okay given the Middle East since the invasion of Iraq while why did it take so long there was no prior opportunity there were four opportunities I know when I was in the White House in in the in the bush administration I hate to say I know personally of three times when we literally had me on their Norcross churns and did not pull the trigger well you were in the bush you were the bush White House yes I would have been asking for Kerry council for bush and my to the extent that you feel free to disclose why was he mouth killed them there is only one case where are you I know all of the details and our because I don't feel comfortable discussing than our other than to say that we were afraid of the political backlash inside Iran because he was joined in the car with him your partly because the whole yes but also because he was in the car with them at the time was very a person son standing in Iraq and if that person were also eliminated we were afraid all women rack there was an Iraqi with him all I see are well that would explain that so it seems to me that the opportunities to kill this man war war not the there was not a large number of opportunities well as I say I can and you knew of three but all right but the one right but the one in New York and the bonded ministration they were not looking for opportunities all right right so tell me okay so let me just say that the one example that you gave I also wouldn't have pulled the trigger hi I would not have wanted the United States to deliberately kill an Iraqi leader I mean the events that makes perfect sense to me I don't know the other two cases obviously and let's talk about it was the opposite you said under the Obama administration with regard to solo money what does that mean nutrition once you are but Margot bonus on his engagement of Iran as master stroke and that was his contribution through the national security and that was going to be his legacy in history you bomb the coming into a strategic accommodation with the Iranians when the wind blows and he's very very guy like someone money which would be a partner in counterterrorism your honor but the dirty little secret of the counter on his campaign particularly in Iraq but not only in the service through the circuits that it was wrong parallel in parallel with the Iranians you know we we we went from the air and and you know coordinating with our Iraqi partners knowing full well that our Iraqi partners were at the same by partnering with Iranian militias on the ground did he put did he remove a solar money from the sanctions list no not not that I know of that I had never heard that's interesting because that's been reported a lot and and and if it's not true that's disturbing because there are some responsible people who have reported that I I don't know I guess I could be wrong about that and I'm Jeanne dot all learn I looked into it I I don't know that okay will you be in other sections administration the coach works of section then maybe yeah and then somebody would sanction but were once the orders to target him and and I know for a fact that that it boggles are you aware of that just now I think well actually while we were talking of the house passed a resolution to the effect that America around the words in front of me maybe I do have the words in front of me US house to vote on limiting trump's ability to wage war on the red are you familiar with that no I'm not I'm not familiar with that you know the end it's amazing to me I I wouldn't have thought you know we started out this discussion about leftists and liberals if you don't ask me lance we use said the go kart travels all morning is going to be is going to be eliminated by the United States what's going to be responsible laugh and and I would have said they're gonna say they're gonna grudgingly good thing but say that you know troubled lab a proper strategy or something like that the extent to which they have gone to say that this was a bad move it has actually shocked me because I want to stay with that I want to talk to you about that this is another nedir the moral may be here on the left I'll be back with Michael Durant animal with the Dennis Prager show live from the relief factor pain free studio I love a mac I love what they stand for smaller government and I love the value they pass on to there members a fantastic endorsed partner of a 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"michael duran" Discussed on News-Talk 1400 The Patriot
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"michael duran" Discussed on 860AM The Answer
"If the economy is doing so well then why is the economy in just twelve months down to thirty eight percent for wallstreet to Washington to your investments we've got to think about retirement we gotta think about money they're not going to make money with your phone K. because the expenses are crazy feels gang weekdays at noon right here on eight sixty the answer in nineteen fifty six his father escaped from prison and hungry when he was facing life in jail for fighting against communism in the Soviet invasion his mother escape at the same time they fled to the UK from an early age how to fight the war against fascist communist and not the world expert in fighting terrorists why we fight join the trump on the White House staff in twenty seventeen to twenty ninety six this battle to a national radio this is America first with some passion gore welcome to the new age have you ever flown on Canada Kansei I have I didn't even know there was an account until this morning is that bad I mean I've flown a lot little too much it's amassing okay American presidents and rated network why do I mention Canada because the Canucks have gone crazy yes indeed what my friend Chris Paul calls the fifty first state what many calls of America's apt I like that Canada America's that that Canada will refuse to use gender specific nouns from now on I mean it just in the same now instead of saying ladies and gentleman everyone will now be addressed as everybody bowl to Lamont the trust lunatics but sadly it's not a Canada I'm reading from a great report from the blaze by David or band ski to you I miss this completely two years ago the oldest metro system in the world the London Underground and I have traveled literally millions of miles on the London Underground my twenty three years in the U. K. friendly people call it the tube they also banished the phrase ladies and gentleman under pressure from the L. G. B. T. Q. groups as well as in the same yeah the New York City metropolitan Transportation Authority said that no longer will it use the address the greetings ladies and gentlemen if you doubted for men the second for a nano second that we are in a war for a Republic not only a war from Republic but for the soul of our country look no further we have so much to discuss today the FISA the IG report the inspector general's report from the DOJ on FISA abuses by the Obama administration allegedly is going to drop on Friday what the people say drop you told me didn't do the Roy the the bundle of newspapers dropping right at the newsagents I'm not sure I believe you but it sounds good it sounds good it's going to drop on Friday the debates tonight's the Democrat debate we excited but weak sighted especially since Mister bloom so he's going to get back in the race may be why you picked because the twelve Kathy Bates debated tonight adjust such rubbish they just stopped weeks source such small be if it will work is going to throw his hat into the ring allegedly hunter Biden gave a long interview it was a puff piece a video puff piece but he did a bit one thing he wouldn't have got all those juicy jobs if his last name would Biden we have that ordeal as well lebron James on a post like mentioned once ever on his show is clearly a moron after a complete imbecile accreditation technically terms for the lack of general knowledge and just decency when it comes to the statements he's recently made about that GM of the rockets and the oppression occurring in China well in the big news of the day big big big news making Kelly will be giving in to a fox I mean really who cast but I guess it may be tied to what was his name the guy who resigned on Friday what was his name shepherd Smith maybe she'll be taking over shepherd Smith slot first things first important stuff fun stuff before important stuff have you seen the new NASA space suits how cool is soon as I get into my break in five minutes I'm gonna to weed out the photograph they are now raids white and blue not only do we have a space coal but we have new NASA space suits for the new trip back to the moon and they are raids white and blue love it making space great again not just America but making space great again I've been getting a lot of messages lot of concern Cole is here with regards to what the president has decided in Syria so let me share with you mine lysis okay this is hot off the press I sat down this morning and I wrote my take on what is happening in Syria and if you want to connect it to culture in general think of Ben Shapiro what is Ben Shapiro famous for maybe not talking about Syria but the last few years he had made he has made the following phrase famous don't care about your feelings well guess what neither does national security national security strategy is not the realm of emotions at least it shouldn't be the president's decision to remove all rather relocate fifty of our troops from northern Syria as the Turkish forces came in was the right decision but he has been attacked relentlessly not only from the left but also from the fake conservatives the rhinos am never trump is and think about what that means after eighteen years of war eighteen years thousands of Americans killed and trillions of dollars wasted the president is being pilloried for not wanting to go to war with Turkey just internal I sat for a second the biggest NATO army in Europe and he's being attacked for not going to war with Turkey after a generation of war the elite wants us to get into another war yes the code the suffering but who all the kids are they are allies did we signed a treaty with them all of the members of NATO all the even members of our Judeo Christian civilization the on to to those questions please no no and a most definite no in fact the YPG of the PKK Kurdish militias that are being targeted by the techs Marxist ethno nationalists the latter group the PKK responsible for thousands of deaths and terrorist attacks hello why are our troops the tool that if not to protect the Kurds for one reason and one reason alone to walk why pop more pop the last dregs of isis a group that became preeminent off to Obama's disastrous decisions with regards to Iraq yes civilians are suffering yes the Turks are using this invasion as a pretext to exact retribution against the Kurds but when did that become hours to solve haven't we been told my friend since the nineteen sixties that America should not be the world's policeman from Noam Chomsky to how woods into Michael Moore we have been criticized as a nation for being an empire acting like imperialists but now they want us to be imperial they want tells to meddle in other people's business no the only purpose that we engage our forces is in the vital interests of our country if the Democrats if the rhinos if the never trump is want another war in the Middle East let them declare one off to a full and robust debate in front of the American people let them convince us a majority of voters the people whose children are sent into war that this is the right to move I doubt they'll be able to convince us at the same time let them explain to America how the removal of the Assad regime is going to work as long as Russia China and Iran support him in the meantime the same Americans will support our realist commander in chief who made it clear yesterday that Turkey must return to its original stated mission which regards national sovereignty or pay the consequences that's my five minute analysis but we're going to have one of the best brains on national security the Middle East Michael Duran with me in studio next you don't want to miss the second and.
"michael duran" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio
"Conference let me make this absolutely clear to the SNP's will not SNP MPs will not vote for that no no you know what ever Scottish National Party leader Nicola sturgeon she also said that Scotland must hold an independence referendum in twenty twenty and will soon request the powers needed to hold it legally a similar independence referendum failed in twenty fourteen forty five percent to fifty five percent this is Washington today on C. span radio now a preview of Wednesday's Washington journal C. span's Washington journal live everyday with news and policy issues that impact you coming up Wednesday morning we're taking your calls and getting your reaction to the fourth democratic debate and then Arizona Republican congresswoman Debbie Lesko will be on to talk about president trump and the impeachment inquiry and Jennifer Caffarelli of the institute for the study of war will join us to discuss the impact of the U. S. withdrawal from Syria also Connecticut democratic congressman Jim hi shares the latest on the house Democrats impeachment inquiry watch C. span's Washington journal live at seven eastern Wednesday morning join the discussion don't forget you can download our free C. span radio app to take C-SPAN radio with you wherever you go and get our podcasts I'm Bob Spence filling in for Steve Scully today thanks very much for joining us this is a re air she's read radio programming from Tuesday WCS reinforced we now take you live to the Hudson institute here in Washington where a discussion about US policy towards Syria began a short while ago speaking now is blazer missed all of how to increase both of those and so the issue is not really had we chosen Turkey or Syria it's how we've done this and again general can it made this point really well the issue is was a snap decision made over over tweak based on a single phone call the right way to do this even if the pulling out was an inevitable choice to be made even if we are going to be leaving is this the right way to have laughed at and I think doing so in a way in which there was no impending Turkish operation it was made clear by the fact that it took them three days actually mobilize and mount the operation that's only the United States announced to the world that Turkey was going to be conducting having done so with no clear plan with the Turks about what their operations were going to be no red lines as to what the United States was willing to tolerate and and and and actually after we had demobilized and demilitarized the Syrian Kurds to make it harder for them to mount a defense all of those things and had made it an even more treacherous situation we could have facilitated a deal between the curtains and and and aside if if we're really going to leave and we wanted to leave them in control this territory so if the choice was about pulling out if that's what we're debating there is all manner of things that could have been done to make this much less of a fiasco has as journal can it said and so the debate is not whether we should have pulled out or not it's really should we have done this in this matter and it's hard to imagine being able to do and in a way that would have made the situation any worse than it is right now I thank the panelists for a very robust lay out of how we got here now I want to turn to what you all think we should do about it and I invite you to approach that question in whatever way you want to whether it's usually Turkey the Kurds Syria the Assad regime however you think you want to approach your recommendations for United States and who wants to take it I guess we'll start Alan Rogan is the foreign affairs producer for the PBS newshour and we're hearing next from merry that's long a former Assistant Secretary of defense I'm gonna take it by taking a slight detour over to what are some of my colleagues have said the prizes and upon the strategic issue at hand which is how does this impact our relationships with Turkey as this sort of the one of the many facets which we deal with thirty one I have to say I disagreed vehemently that day U. S. actions on the northeast border Syria push Turkey into being the Turkey and today the Turkish of today is no longer the secular Turkey that was the original member of NATO the Turkey up today it has an extremist as is increasingly dictatorial authoritarian authoritative leader he has put his own journalists and his own the teachers and other civilians in jail repeatedly he has facilitated through two thousand twelve three two thousand fourteen the Iranian nuclear and other programs five going around the blockades and the embargoes and sanctions against Iran he is currently illegally have gas extraction activities off the coast of Cyprus he has purchased the S. four hundred from excuse me from Russia only after which we had to talk him out of her just seeing the command control communications system from the Chinese shall we go on so he dares to come to our capital and unleashes his bugs against protesters who are up for us this street and push them around and beaten this is no good buddy of ours that somehow we are responsible for that the the freeze or the cold air in our relationship this is a Turkey that is not a good ally full stop this is a Turkey that the Turkish people increasingly with their ability to vote our wasting their concern and their opposition to everyone this is not a regime that we should be facilitating and we'd darn sure shouldn't be facilitating the aggressive extra territorial aggression of this regime either in Iraq or Syria full stop sorry I I okay I see if if we can with rising okay I think that's that's very much enough to get a interesting discussion of your started mark that you signal to me first I'm gonna let you have the floor first and then Michael if you can then add your thoughts yeah listen on the on the issue of Turkey I certainly understand that there has been increasingly authoritarian strain to what is happening in Turkey right now and we have disputes to go well beyond the issue the us for hundreds we have the issue of pastor Bronson we had the issue of a belief that the United States participated in some of the crew activities we also have a belief in a perception that we are harboring a terrorist in the form of a good one now Sir tire brigadier general circulated this is not a good relationship the question is should we as a nation be trying to push ourselves for as a reform effort inside inside of Turkey do we want us to do we want to get under the tent to try to fix that or do we want to stay outside the tent in just push Turkey a historical NATO ally who has as Mike said served alongside of us is it better for us to try to work with Turkey is an ally to try to help in the reform effort or do we just excoriate isolate and toss out of NATO the largest ground military in the region and and I just don't think at this point it's necessary that we have to lose Turkey no matter how bad it gets because there was there will be a future in Turkey there will be in Russia there will be a post proven in Hungary there will be a post or bond and I just wanna make sure when those events happen that were on the right side of history there no one's saying that we should abandon Turkey is winter I can't but I think we I'd like to give her an opportunity to just respond given that he was responding to her and then we'll go to Michael the one saying that we should isolate Turkey no one's saying we should cut them out of NATO No Way saying we've we have the we have nuclear weapons she's entered but let's not let's not he let's be honest about what we're dealing with here this is an extremist authoritative government at its act is selling the secular democracy in infrastructure of Turkey down the road I'm in in in venturing the Turkish people and somehow acquiescing them sending troops across our own border is is not a to establishing a disservice productive relationship with this region I will make a three point so what one about this debate then about what we should do right now and where we want to go what how what kind of range but we could hope for their Michael Duran Hudson institute with regard to this debate we need to make a distinction and it's extremely important between this issue and by that I mean support by the United States of the PKK we have not been honest with ourselves about what we were doing and in north street mark put it very well we were building up a group that had that was supporting them the construction of roads of a we were building Roger about and I taught in this Kurdish state let run exclusively by the PKK which is not a democratic organization the PKK was expelling from from its from its area currents that didn't agree with it that's what we were doing whether we told ourselves we're doing that or not that's what do you miss the effect of our actions we need to separate that issue from everything else in the Turkish American relationship because this question of Kurdish separatism in Turkey is different than any other issue in Turkey it's absolutely it's the number one issue in turkeys Turkish domestic and foreign policy and the vast every self respecting Turk supports the one on this issue if one under minor to one I'll tell you how you don't do it you don't do it by building up the PKK on his border and then allowing him to present himself as the defender of Turkish interests against against the against the United States so let's talk about that everything that that everything that everyone has done in the last few years to be difficult to us including the S. for hundreds he has done in the context of us building up the sworn enemy of Turkey in the face of numerous constant Turkish request that we that that we not do it now is it there's no guarantee that we can salvage Turkish US relations there's no guarantee at all I cannot I wish I could so I could argue that if we get if we if we move away from our pro PKK policy that we can that we can return relations to where they used to be but we I I know for a fact that we will never succeed at that so long as we have so long as we are seen by that the majority of Turks as supporting the PKK so let's get let's recognize that we played a role in the deterioration of our relations with Turkey whether it's whether it's fifty percent America and fifty percent the one or eighty percent and in one and twenty percent of our I don't know but we played a major role let's get let's let's move a sign the mistake that we made let's get past that and then try to do something productive within just a couple of sentences in the and that means right what what is that productive as well Donald Trump has been forced Donald Trump has been forced into it might might buy this bipartisan consensus in Congress to put sanctions on Turkey let's use that for a negotiation with their to one possibly get maybe maybe get forces stopped its use fire in place and then and then a negotiation with the Turks about an arrangement in northeast area that meets their security needs and at at and and allows us to allows us what we need in order to Syria and protects at civilian life and one last sentence just about went went went place and I agreed with almost every word that blaze sad about what we would like to see I can not in writing like this you can get the most thank you about was the one about what we would like to see in in northeast Syria is something on the model of of the KRG in Iraq but we've never tried to build that this is the key we we converted the relationship between ally and proxy our allies Turkey our proxy was the PKK our forces on the ground the department of defense became the representative of the PKK to Turkey this is the what what one of.
"michael duran" Discussed on 1170 The Answer
"In advance in their name and the name of those who support them and they support we have a slight build in the last segment I can think of to think of a better person to help us guide way through the forest of misrepresentation and complex issues that is the Middle East today then a man who he may introduce himself on Twitter as the great short bio Michael Duran sits in a tank in thinks but most importantly former senior director at the National Security Council for the Middle East Michael welcome back to America first hi thanks for having me it's always a pleasure I always feel like with this issue even if it's one decision the president took with regards to just fifty troops we have to start with the basics what is at play in Syria who's involved and what do the American taxpayers need to note the American voters about the codes of out of the one and a side so when we were plastered for catastrophic failure and in northern Syria we when we went in to defeat ISIS we went in with the women in alliance with the PKK this is the organization that wants to divide Turkey between Kurds and Turks and it's an extremist organization which is designated by the state department as a terrorist organs of the nationalists and the separatists and their separatists and they want to build a big Kurdish state the the the wing of the PKK that we that we align allied with is the white P. G. these the Syrian extension of the PKK they wanted to defend their homes against I. against ISIS but they didn't want to fight side and the Iranians and that's why the Obama administration made the deal with them they would fight for their homes in that area but they wouldn't they wouldn't run afoul of Iran which Obama was trying to cause it to because we have to write with a hundred fifty billion dollars well the the the guy who made the who has helped this architect of this policy was Brett McGurk who actually put the piles of cash on the the special envoy Obama's special envoy and then it but then he was kept over into the trump administration so that was that the problem here is that it's going to alienate the Turks because the the the PKK is their sworn enemy over the last thirty years they've killed thirty thousand hertz I want I'm glad you mentioned that so the first thing for us the PKK is an internationally designated terrorist organization that might kill G. hobbies when it is in their interest to do so but is a separatist in fact Marxist at times a Maoist nationalist organization that has committed terrorist atrocities for decades that's right okay all we'd be trading the codes Michael Duran by relocating those fifty US troops when you look we we when we started this we told the YPG that this was temporary and transactional and we allow scratch my back I'll scratch yours is that this is a treaty along not a treaty alliance and we and we allow them all along to maintain their relations with the US under Jim and the Russians so and and commissioning in the in the east there has always been an asset is a Kurdish town the YPG dominates and there has always been an onsite government presence there and I said used in their flights from Damascus to commercially and then also I used it to to shore up his position and there is or where they also have a when there was the continuing onsite government pro presence we knew that we never said shut it down and and and so on but we've been in raging the Turks because well we're we're building this that we're using this organization to prevent orient reemergence of ISIS they're busy borrowing our power to build an independent Kurdish separatist state that on Turkey's borders they using our trip wuyda to undermine took you so often times a little so was this the right decision the relocation by the present in that case hi there this is it the intervention by the Turks was an avid a because they said wait going in with you like it or not yes right so what we're gonna do we're gonna go fight the Turks we're gonna go to war with a NATO ally does that make sense and it's also let's let's also be clear because it is a part of the world that is more complicated the most right now Turkey is not exactly a good ally of the United States I'm a less I was on your show I I I I threw this out there I'm I have read a gradual pieces I'm more so but but but it's not after two weeks took effect does not answer start now what does that mean explain that's what attitude good created a secular nationalist country nationals the lead and they separated Islam in politics is a lot of politics and everyone is trying to everyone is trying to screw respond the size but but everyone is you know I mean he's he's he's just got defeated in this stumble elections way the problem with this policy that we were carrying out is that is a term more tremendously unpopular with altered even those who don't like everyone every self respecting Turk is supporting air to one in this intervention we don't want to take a national sovereignty right exactly let let me also you this last question in this segment we talk to Michael Duran in the president's statement yesterday he said Turkey must ensure the safety of civilians including religious and ethnic minorities and is now or may be in the future responsible for the ongoing detention of ISIS terrorists in the region is that gonna happen Michael Dr I sure hope so that that we have the the the vice president pence is on his way or may there be there already we need to use the threat of the sections of the present it put out there to get in and negotiation with the Turks to do this in a more orderly fashion I mean I I I can't say that the out the roll out of this is been anything to be proud of but the the decision it makes sense let's now work with let's now work with the Turks to meet their secure their legitimate security needs and then meet our concerns about humanitarian the the the about the the loss of life and stability and so forth so right now it was the right decision to get those fifty US troops out of the way from Turkish invasion of northern Syria which was going to happen what happens next.
"michael duran" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Our debate tonight we have five petals debating a series of resolutions under the theme unresolved shifting power in the Middle East we are two thirds of the way through our list of resolutions our third topic zooms in on a nation that is locked into the middle of everything and that is Turkey Turkey which sits between Asia and Europe Turkey which sits between Russia and the Arab world but more recently a Turkey which is actually shifting somewhat between democracy and autocracy Turkey has been a member of the NATO alliance for a most of the time most of us have been alive given recent trends however there are questions being raised about that last fact which we are framing as a resolution this way Turkey is an asset to NATO on that resolution our first speaker will be Bernard Haykal Bernard Haykal on that resolution Turkey is an asset to NATO are you yes or no I mean yes I mean Turkey is hugely important countries on the most important countries and in the Middle East Turkey has an absolutely massive population of very strong military has been a stalwart ally of the west for many many decades and it is tragic to see it move away from the western alliance and you have to keep in mind that this is also a period when the Russians are coming into the back into the Middle East and there are a relations between the Turks and the Russians which are detrimental to western interests the purchasing of the S. four hundred missiles and so this is a very bad development I think that Turkey one of the reasons that Turkey has moved in the direction that it has away from the the west has to do with the politics of the Middle East in particular the question of the Kurds and the closing up between the Americans and the Kurds in the war against ISIS and I think it's it's crucial to to look to Turkey and to tell them that this question of the Kurds is not mean in any way at the end. I mean you should in the alliance or the support that the west and specifically United States has to give to Turkey soup Turkey is fundamental and has to remain in NATO and I hope we the guard that we we we keep it there. Michael Duran the resolution goes to Turkey is an asset to NATO yes or no yes Informatica yes and I want to say that there's a story that hasn't been told in the United States which is about the way that we abandoned our ally Turkey and I I think people are very familiar with this with all the story about how everyone has turned away from the west but one of the problems with their to one is and and I would say actually Turkey in general this is a nation that does not have a public relations gene we went into Syria through the YPG which is the Syrian arm of the PKK those of the separatist Kurds in Turkey who want a car about a Kurdistan from Turkey there an extremist terrorist organization recognized by the United States as a as a terrorist organization this is the equivalent of the United States going into say Jordan and building up Hamas and when the Israelis say you know what you're doing there next the right next to it to our country building up this organization that wants to tear my country apart is not good for us we said sit down and shut up and whit when there was a coup attempt against error to one orchestrated by goo Lynn who sits in Pennsylvania and everyone said Hey can you extradite the guy we said sit down and shut up so at a certain point he said you know what they're actually anti Turkey today forget about air to one eighty percent of Turks supported the pain opinion polls regard the United States as a hostile power. the foremost of Barbara Slavin on the resolution Turkey is an asset to NATO are you yes or no unbelievably I agree. my colleagues here on this one I'm changing my vote. maybe baby for slightly different reasons all let Brett speak to the the YPG and the Kurds and all of that I just think it's important to keep Turkey tethered to the west and yes or no one has taken it and very undemocratic directions but we've seen a resurgence of Turkish democracy recently there were a municipal elections and all the major municipalities including as stumble voted against the government supported candidates so I think the last thing we want to do is to move away from Turkey now when to one finally is beginning to look a little bit weaker the other thing is the neighborhood Turkey is in I mean if we if we push them out of NATO that just pushes them even more into the laps of the Russians and and the Iranians which is certainly not in in our interest you know NATO is not the E. U. there have been countries with rather authoritarian regimes in NATO Spain and Portugal famously at the beginning so we should keep Turkey in not out and let's be patient let's let's have some faith in the Turkish people. Brett McGurk Turkey is enough to to NATO yes or no I'm going to say no. hi. I am not saying we should take Turkey out of NATO but the question the present tense are they an asset to NATO and what is NATO it's a vital trans Atlantic alliance and to protect the security and prosperity of its members on that standard Turkey right now is not an asset to NATO I'm gonna look at the trump administration's national national security strategy what we care about great power competition China and Russia international terrorism and a wrong on all three measures right now Turkey is not an asset on international terrorism look I ran the ISIS campaign forty thousand foreign fighters jihadis from hundred ten countries around the world all came in to see the fight in that war and they all came through Turkey I was in Turkey more than any other country to have them seal their border and they would not do it they said they couldn't do it but the minute the cursed to parts of the border is totally sealed with a wall so let's just be honest about the record it is not the fact that we went with the white BG and told told Turkey's cigna corner on Iran Turkey was the biggest sanctions buster backdoor of any country around the world Ron was a hundred billion dollars in assets sanctions busting scheme went through Turkey by their own state owned bank the general manager of whom was prosecuted here in the Southern District of New York on Russia. Turkey is buying the only NATO member buying sophisticated military hardware from Russia that is a serious problem NATO is an alliance has already run time is up so he answered I think you're gonna snow a lot of chance to talk in a second. Turkey is an asset to NATO rule mark Eric are you yes or no I we need your criticize users possibility I can you yes or no just to waffle. I'm torn here. one per well let me for the record say that you have put up the flag no no but I I grow waffle wow so which is what I want to do. when I lived in Turkey for a number of years I'm very fond of the church in the stumbles grand city on earth you know I I I think the Turkey in and of itself remains a potential asset to NATO that and I agree with barber I think it should remain and to the extent we can tethered to the United States and to the west I think is an investment that is well worth our while in the great experiment of Turkey is by far and it's not over yet with that said I I don't have any doubts that error to on is a fairly determined Islamist I'm surprised that Michael actually didn't bring up this issue I think he has a he has a desire and a dream to take Turkey in a different direction that cannot possibly be good for the United States militarily obviously Turkey can no longer be brought in with the secrets of NATO it is deeply compromise the F. thirty five program the new self a fighter program bomber program it's a all purpose aircraft you cannot possibly allow that thing to be deployed in Turkey now I don't know what they've done okay the intelligence agreements that we have which I don't I don't have to stop you because a your time is up I'm stopped. thank you that concludes the opening round of in our third resolution on the resolution Turkey is an asset to NATO we have three yes is we have a very very firm no and we have a waffle. disguised as a no so I think give being the firm no Brett you're going to have a lot of time talking back to do your opponents but what I what I think I heard was a sort of constant theme which unites you all actually is that Turkey has the potential to be a fantastic NATO partner and sometimes it is and sometimes it's not and it would be better if it were depending on conditions but I also heard was a little bit of whose fault is it that this thing is up in the air right now could you take that thought on that I think Michael's argument that the reason Turkey in your view is not an acid right now has a lot to do with our treatment of Turkey in that that could be corrected so for some very common if you look at any public opinion poll in Turkey almost any year the Americans are very popular before we ever heard of the YPG and we decided to go to war against ISIS because isis was committing genocide and it was controlling eleven eight million people across Iraq is here you don't know about ISIS we want to Turkey and said Hey let's fight this together one find a mentor like air base to target ISIS we need to do some things on the border etcetera etcetera and frankly I have to be honest they did nothing they would not let us fly out of it you look air base of not let us do anything the White BG was a group that was surrounded by ISIS further for those who don't know the terminal white when she is a Syrian Kurdish groups in northeast area they're about to be slaughtered with a bunch of Kurdish civilians at a little town on his order Hey has there ever been an attack from Syria into Turkey from this group the answers now and who made the decision who made the decision arm the YPG is actually president trump not present Obama so there's a lot of history here that I want to make sure that we get absolutely right when ISIS was about to take this Kurdish town on the border with Turkey we made the decision to do what we could to help save this town and frankly at the time Turkey was working with the YPG as soon as the cursor taking these towns away from ISIS on the border Turkey totally sealed their border we said why did you. seal the border one isis was there and flat bed trucks were coming across the border the money my trade in weapons all sorts of things so there's a lot of history here but the argument that Turkey suddenly turned to switch because we worked at the White BG is just simply not true Barbara could you do could you do us the favor of just little education.
"michael duran" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Number one trump is right on Saudi Arabia. the resolution is going to be looking at Iran and particularly the aftermath of the Iran nuclear deal being first agreed to and then called off the Iran nuclear deal officially called the G. C. P. away the joint comprehensive plan of action was meant to slow down Iran's development of nuclear weapons it was negotiated and agreed to by the Obama administration it was called off by the trump administration now Iran is beginning to cross some of the boundaries that that deal set in place the upshot of all this that's what we're gonna be going after with this next resolution the world is safer without the J. C. P. away without the Iran deal our first speaker on this resolution will be role mark character on the resolution the world is safer without the J. C. P. O. a are you yes or no yes okay what we do now I think as a general rule it's not a good idea for American foreign policy to be built on self deception it should not be built on black male that's essentially what the Iranians were doing they're saying if you do not do if they don't publically do certain things with the nuclear program clandestinely they can do whatever they want because the system of verification that deal so awful that will give you billions of dollars in return I also think appeasement isn't a terribly good us start for American foreign policy and that's essentially what we're doing we're giving them billions and billions of dollars they can use it anywhere they wish in one way one of the ways they use that is by expanding their influence in the Middle East by engaging in mass slaughter in Syria and I think we should always do well on that the Iran and roll they've essentially run much of the Syrian armed forces they have been the masters on the ground I think it's just a very on wise policy to deceive yourselves and thinking that down the road it's going to get better we should approach this realistically now we do not know what Donald Trump is going to do no one does including him. thank you roll mark Terrick. the resolution the world a safer without the J. CPO apron article how do you declare I would say it is absolutely safer and that is because Iran took advantage of this deal to build up its ballistic missile capability to and use the money that was given to it by the United States to spend not on its own population but on proxy fighters and militiamen who fought in in Syria and the civil war they build better drones better guidance systems for their missiles and their drones which we're we're now seeing being deployed in Yemen the Iranians basically took advantage of this deal and said you know well will halt this nuclear stuff which they can always restart and enter in return we gave them a pass on all the other stuff that they were doing which made the region much more dangerous the United States believes certain elites in the United States in here this view in a minute valve felt that you we could move within the different circles of power in Iran we could kind of push the moderates again steak and it gets the more extremist and that the deal would help the moderates this is all hogwash Iran is a theocracy is run by one man and that man is no moderate thanks for the article. Michael Duran on the resolution the world is safer without the G. C. P. away are you yes or no yes I'm I with my colleagues here it was a massive self deception one of the things that we know now from the atomic archive which the Israelis spirited out of Tehran is that we didn't understand how far along Iran was in terms of building a nuclear weapons program and we also didn't realize that they were continuing a clandestine program what they did back in two thousand three when the United States went into Iraq they were afraid that that George W. bush might attack them and their some of their program had been discovered was being investigated by the international atomic energy association and so what they did is they started to emphasize the parts of the program they could be plausibly explained as part of a civil nuclear program while putting deeper underground the hidden parts and when I say underground I mean actually underground like the Ford missile the the four though site which was built solely to enrich uranium to build and a nuclear weapon and under the J. C. P. away they have kept for duo so what we've done is given an international cover for them to continue their covert program thank you on the resolution once again the world a safer without the CPO a barber Slaven due to clear yes or no the world is definitely not safe for you notice that these gentlemen are all referring to missiles and other issues the deal was supposed to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon for at least fifteen years by preventing Iran from having sufficient material to make a nuclear weapon it provided for the most intrusive inspection system ever negotiated any wrong was in full compliance with this agreement when president trump withdrew since he did that. the Middle East has become a much more dangerous place than it was before the Iranians were patient for a year they did nothing they took no steps but after a year and after the trump administration imposed a total embargo on the sale of Iranian oil. all of a sudden there were sabotage incidents in the Persian Gulf and the Iranians have begun to exceed some of the limits set in the J. C. P. away we were safer with the deal we could have built on it now we have nothing. about the service. bread maker on the resolution the world a safer without the G. C. P. O. a are you yes or no I'm also a no I just like look at the facts on June twenty first just a couple months ago president trump tweeted that he was cocked and loaded the bomb three strikes strikes Enron within ten minutes before the strike he said he stopped it because he learned at the last minute he might kill a hundred fifty your audience to just think about that we are on the verge of a new military conflict no thought to the consequences no planning for the consequences Iran would reacted how would we react reacted and not the esco Tory ladder it would have gone and how did we get to that point trump pulled out of this deal without any consideration of what would happen what would come next I will stipulate around is a terrible terrible country under the leader of I I I I a tool of comedy Ron is killed colleagues of mine Iran is an enemy of the United States of America but is a world safer without the deal the answer's no since trump left the deal with no plan a runny behavior in the region has gotten worse even according to the sector state Mike from pale it is dramatically strengthens its ties with Russia and China are too great power competitors and if we get into an ill conceived war with Iran we will lose the century to China thank you very much..
"michael duran" Discussed on KQED Radio
"To our debate tonight we have five kernels debating a series of resolutions under the theme unresolved shifting power in the Middle East we are two thirds of the way through our list of resolutions our third topic zooms in on a nation that is locked into the middle of everything and that is Turkey Turkey which sits between Asia and Europe Turkey which sits between Russia and the Arab world but more recently a Turkey which is actually shifting somewhat between democracy and autocracy Turkey has been a member of the NATO alliance for all most of the time most of us have been alive given recent trends however there are questions being raised about that last fact which we are framing as a resolution this way Turkey is an asset to NATO on that resolution our first speaker will be Bernard Haykal Bernard Haykal on that resolution Turkey is an asset to NATO are you yes or no I mean yes I mean Turkey is hugely important countries when the most important countries and in the Middle East Turkey has an absolutely massive population a very strong military has been a stalwart ally of the west for many many decades and it is tragic to see it move away from the western alliance and you have to keep in mind that this is also a period when the Russians are coming into the back into the Middle East and there are a relations between the Turks and the Russians which are detrimental to western interests in the purchasing of the S. four hundred missiles and so this is a very bad development I think that Turkey one of the reasons that Turkey has moved in the direction that it has away from the the west has to do with the politics of the Middle East in particular the question of the Kurds and the closing up between the Americans and the Kurds in the war against ISIS and I think it's it's crucial to to look to Turkey and to tell them that this question of the cards is not mean in any way at the end. I mean you should and the alliance or the support that the west and specifically United States has to give to Turkey soup Turkey is fundamental and have to remain in NATO and I hope we the guard that we we we keep it there. Michael Duran the resolution goes to Turkey is an asset to NATO yes or no yes emphatically yes and I want to tell you that there's a story that hasn't been told in the United States which is about the way that we abandoned our ally Turkey and I I think people are very familiar with this with all the story about how there to one has turned away from the west but one of the problems with their to one is and and I would say actually Turkey in general this is a nation that does not have a public relations gene we went into Syria through the YPG which is the Syrian arm of the PKK those of the separatist Kurds in Turkey who want to carve out a Kurdistan from Turkey there an extremist terrorist organization recognized by the United States as a as a terrorist organization this is the equivalent of the United States going into say Jordan and building up Hamas and when the Israelis say you know what you're doing there next right next to it to our country building up this organization that wants to tear my country apart is not good for us we said sit down and shut up and whit when there was a coup attempt against air the wind orchestrated by goo Lynn who sits in Pennsylvania and everyone said Hey can you extradite the guy we said sit down and shut up so at a certain point he said you know what they're actually anti Turkey today forget about air to one eighty percent of Turks according to pay opinion polls regard the United States as a hostile power. the foremost of Barbara Slavin on the resolution Turkey is an asset to NATO are you yes or no unbelievably I agree. my colleagues here on this one I'm changing my vote. maybe baby for slightly different reasons all let Brad speak to the the YPG and the Kurds and all of that I just think it's important to keep Turkey tethered to the west and yes or no one has taken it and very undemocratic directions but we've seen a resurgence of Turkish democracy recently there were a municipal elections and all the major municipalities including a stumble voted against the government supported candidates so I think the last thing we want to do is to move away from Turkey now when to one finally is beginning to look a little bit weaker the other thing is the neighborhood Turkey is in I mean if we if we push them out of NATO that just pushes them even more into the laps of the Russians and and the Iranians which is certainly not in in our interest you know NATO is not the E. U. there have been countries with rather authoritarian regimes in NATO Spain and Portugal famously at the beginning so we should keep Turkey in not out and let's be patient let's let's have some faith in the Turkish people. Turkey is an asset to NATO yes or no I'm going to say no. I interesting I am not saying we should kick Turkey out of NATO but the question the present tense are they an asset to NATO and what is NATO to vital trans Atlantic alliance and to protect the security and prosperity of its members on that standard Turkey right now is not an asset to NATO I'm gonna look at the trump administration's national national security strategy what do we care about great power competition China and Russia international terrorism and a wrong on all three measures right now Turkey is not an asset on international terrorism look I ran the ISIS campaign forty thousand foreign fighters jihadis from hundred ten countries around the world all came in a series of fighting that war and they all came through Turkey I was in Turkey more than any other country to have them seal their border and they would not do it they said they couldn't do it but the minute the cursed to parts of the border is totally sealed with a wall so let's just be honest about the record it is not the fact we went with the white BG and told told her kissing the corner on Iran Turkey was the biggest sanctions buster backdoor of any country around the world Ron was a hundred billion dollars in assets sanctions busting scheme went through Turkey by their own state owned bank the general manager of whom was prosecuted here in the Southern District of New York on Russia. Turkey is buying the only NATO member buying sophisticated military hardware from Russia that is a serious problem NATO is an alliance again very much I'm is absolutely answer I think you're gonna is now a lot.
"michael duran" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Resolution number one trump is right on Saudi Arabia. a second resolution is going to be looking at Iran and particularly the aftermath of the Iran nuclear deal being first agreed to and then called off the Iran nuclear deal officially called the J. C. P. away the joint comprehensive plan of action was meant to slow down Iran's development of nuclear weapons it was negotiated and agreed to by the Obama administration it was called off by the trump administration now Iran is beginning to cross some of the boundaries that that deal set in place the upshot of all this that's what we're gonna be going after with this next resolution the world is safer without the J. C. P. away without the Iran deal our first speaker on this resolution will be role mark character on the resolution the world is safer without the J. C. P. O. a are you yes or no yes okay what we do now I think as a general rule it's not a good idea for American foreign policy to be built on self deception it should not be built on black male that's essentially what the Iranians were doing they're saying if you do not do if they don't publically do certain things with the nuclear program clandestinely they can do whatever they want because the system of verification that deals so awful that will give you billions of dollars in return I also think appeasement isn't a terribly good start for American foreign policy and that's essentially what we're doing we're giving them billions and billions of dollars they can use it anywhere they wish in one way one of the ways they use that is by expanding their influence in the Middle East by engaging in mass slaughter in Syria and I think we should always do well on that the Iranian role they've essentially run much of the Syrian armed forces they have been the masters on the ground I think it's just a very on wise policy to deceive yourselves and thinking that down the road it's going to get better we should approach this realistically now we do not know what Donald Trump is going to do no one does including him. thank you roll mark Eric's the resolution the world is safer without the J. CPO apron article how do you declare I would say it is absolutely safer and that is because Iran took advantage of this deal to build up its ballistic missile capability to and use the money that was given to it by the United States to spend not on its own population but on proxy fighters and militiamen who fought ins in Syria and the civil war the build better drones better guidance systems for their missiles and their drones which we're we're now seeing being deployed in Yemen the Iranians basically took advantage of this deal and said you know well will halt this nuclear stuff which they can always restart and enter in return we gave them a pass on all the other stuff that they were doing which made the region much more dangerous the United States believes certain elites in the I. sitting here this view in a minute valve felt that you we could move within the different circles of power in Iran we could kind of push the moderates against the egg and it gets the more extremist and that the deal would help the moderates this is all hogwash Iran is a theocracy is run by one man and that man is no moderate thanks for the article. Michael Duran on the resolution the world is safer without the G. C. P. O. a or you yes or no yes I'm I with my colleagues here it was a massive self deception one of the things that we know now from the atomic archive which the Israelis spirited out of Tehran is that we didn't understand how far along Iran was in terms of building a nuclear weapons program and we also didn't realize that they were continuing a clandestine program what they did back in two thousand three when the United States went into Iraq they were afraid that that George W. bush might attack them and their some of their program had been discovered was being investigated by the international atomic energy association and so what they did is they started to emphasize the parts of the program they could be plausibly explained as part of a civil nuclear program while putting deeper underground the hidden parts and when I say underground I mean actually underground like the Ford missile the the four though site which was billed solely to enrich uranium to build and a nuclear weapon and under the J. C. P. away they have kept for duo so what we have done is given an international cover for them to continue their covert program thank you on the resolution once again the world a safer without the JC PO a barber Slavin due to clear yes or no the world is definitely not safe for you notice that these gentlemen are all referring to missiles and other issues the deal was supposed to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon for at least fifteen years by preventing Iran from having sufficient material to make a nuclear weapon it provided for the most intrusive inspection system ever negotiated any wrong was in full compliance with this agreement when president trump withdrew since he did that. the Middle East has become a much more dangerous place than it was before the Iranians were patient for a year they did nothing they took no steps but after a year and after the trump administration imposed a total embargo on the sale of Iranian oil. all of a sudden there were sabotage incidents in the Persian Gulf and the Iranians have begun to exceed some of the limits set in the J. C. P. away we were safer with the deal we could have built on it now we have nothing. about a third of. bread maker on the resolution the world a safer without the G. C. P. O. a are you yes or no I'm also a no I just like look at the facts on June twenty first just a couple months ago president trump tweeted that he was cocked and loaded the bomb three strikes strikes Enron within ten minutes before the strike he said he stopped it because you learn to the last minute he might kill a hundred fifty your audience so just think about that we are on the verge of a new military conflict no thought to the consequences no planning for the consequences Iran would reacted how would we react reacted and up the escort for latter it would have gone and how did we get to that point trump pulled out of this deal without any consideration of what would happen what would come next I will stipulate around is a terrible terrible country under the leader of I I I I told a harmony around is killed colleagues of mine Iran is an enemy of the United States of America but is a world safer without the deal the answer's no since truck left to deal with no plan a running behavior in the region has gotten worse even according to the sector state Mike from pale it is dramatically strengthens its ties with Russia and China are too great power competitors and if we get into an ill conceived war with Iran we will lose the century to China thank you very much..
"michael duran" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Treaty that's the treaty with Russia around missiles and indeed I think the president didn't much care about that and was glad to let Bolton take the lead Michael the rain you wanna react to that where where do you see John Bolton having affected U. S. foreign policy than most well I I I don't think that resolution of disputes is the is the standard we need to look at because the United States and is going to have enemies by virtue of who it is and and when it is done historically and Iran is an enemy of the United States that's not because of the United States anything to the United States is done is because Iran wants to drive United States from the Middle East and so Bolton help the president put together a containment policy of Iran a policy of competing with Iran unlike the Obama administration which basically opened up the doors to the region the letter and do whatever it wanted so I I I think that both the played a very good role there do you think Wendy Sherman it let me put it this way do you think it will make a lot of big difference Wendy Sherman that John Bolton is go. on where did where where do you see it making a difference. I think the president will feel that he has a completely free hand how to do whatever he wants to do we've seen Mick Mulvaney the chief of staff take a very different approach to pro. yes president I chiefs of staff by leading from simply be trump the president wants to make his own decisions he believes he's his own best adviser he believes in photo opportunities and flair he isn't someone who very much likes process he doesn't want to rely on experts he doesn't want the deliberative process that Michael has outlined so I think we will see the president I have a more engagements with leaders at high levels try to take some creative approaches to various issues of concern but those approaches aren't going to get us an outcome that protects American national security because they won't be well prepared there won't be a deliberative process he won't rely on the people around him who can bring history understanding expertise and ideas to the table and Michael Duran just quickly what do you think is going to change what will be different without John Bolton I think it's mainly one of tactics I think that was the the a John Bolton wanted to have a hard policy against actors like Iran and he wanted to be constantly hard in every way I think the president wants to have start out with a hard policy he wants to have leverage for that he wants to have tactical flexibility with how we how we deal with the Iranians including meeting them you and perhaps at the at the U. N. General Assembly so I I think we're gonna see a lot of more a lot more tactical flexibility but I'll be surprised if there is a very significant change in the main policies of the government just because people like Mike Pompeii on was a very good relationship the president doesn't have a world view is significantly different than John Bolton's. Michael Durant and Wendy Sherman thank you both very much. thank you thank you Judy. and now to the day's other news secretary of state Mike Pompeii dismissed news accounts that a CIA informant was rescued from Russia CNN and The New York Times reported the Kremlin mall was extracted in twenty seventeen he was said to be in growing danger after exposes of Russian meddling in the twenty sixteen US election Pompeii insisted today that the reports are wrong without saying why I as a former CIA director I don't talk about things like this very often it is only the occasions when there's something that I think puts people at risk or the reporting is so egregious as to create enormous rest United States wreck that I even comment in the way that I just did and I won't say anything more about it another see I put out a statement suffice to say that the the the reporting there is factually wrong the report said the informant work for the CIA for decades and eventually gained access to the highest levels of the Kremlin officials in the Bahamas said today that the death toll from hurricane Dorian has risen to at least fifty search teams recovered more bodies from the wreckage largely on great Abaco island and they continue looking today evacuations on Abaco are also continuing as thousands tried to get out to Nassau the head of the national oceanic and atmospheric administration has joined the furor over president trump's claim that hurricane Dorian threatened Alabama Neil Jacobs defended know what today for criticizing a Birmingham area forecasting office that contradicted Mr trump but he also thank the forecasters for quote good intent The New York Times has reported that U. S. commerce secretary Wilbur Ross has threatened to fire top officials at no off over the issue. in Iraq at least thirty one people were killed in a stampede today as Shiite pilgrims mark the holy day of Ashura officials say a walkway collapse and touched off chaos it happened during an annual pilgrimage that.
"michael duran" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio
"I don't think it's going to happen. Michael Durant is a former national Security Council. Staff member. The woman on the aisle. You can identify yourself. Right. That the channel smell skuas ran housing agency. Thanks a lot for this again. Tanna smell Oscar was teaching agency. Some of you may be all of you believe that we're moving towards negotiations between the yes and Iran. And as of now we've seen multiple claims to idea running away, there, should they not going to negotiate with Trump administration. And I'm just wondering how do you think they are going to sell it the mathematically how this, we'll see this change of rhetoric and Tekken questions? Probably more for J, there were multiple reports that Iranians are using cryptocurrency to avoid sanctions, and maybe have some insight on, on that how effective candidate tool are they actually using it a lot? If you know anything that you want to give that, thank you. Thanks crypto currency. I mean they are good. All sorts of ways of evading sanctions. They did it. I mean, they're they've kind of school that it I, I still think if oil exports are below five hundred down to four hundred three hundred thousand these kind of little efforts aren't going to matter that much. So I think the broader scheme of things if their oil exports are that low. You know it's probably not going to help much, I think, on the negotiating front. My read would be. They, they kind of back into it some way. I mean, you Honey. I mean as a reef did come to New York and talked about. Let's start up to go for a prisoner swap. You said that very overtly, I mean that I think if it if it moves it would probably start in some sort of channel like that, and then moved to, to broader a broader diplomacy. So I think they could sell it domestically through a whole lens of ways. I just say, I, I think it's important question, you're raising if you kind of look at nature of Iranian rhetoric on the negotiations over the past month from the sort of prohibition that, that you alluded to, there's a, there's a subtle almost imperceptible change of tone. President Rohani says, well, we may be able to negotiate us pressure is relieved, and nobody gave a speech on may twenty second, I believe in which he said that I was always against the JCP oh and negotiations with Americans, but that was an executive decision by the government. So if the government makes another executive decision that he opposes that is an executive perogatives. So, you know, the language is almost over billion in case of uranium politics because they lie so much. So what they say. Yes means no, no means. Yes. Or cook me. Yes. Means yes and no means. No, but I think they're kind of. And also, there's no popular backlash against negotiations. The Iranian public monster negotiations as a means of relieving pressure. There's no domestic constituency arguing against it. If the regime can get as fractional house in order. Presser Ronnie, and John was clearly negotiate. They never have lost the negotiations. And they're like the Golden State Warriors, like we're we've been here before we don't have to win. Why are we not playing? I say something to that I think is interesting about this ministrations approach and kind of where we are versus where the Obama attrition wasn't trying to go shade a deal. My perception was always at the Obama administration, so desperately wanted to deal that we were our country. The United States is at a disadvantage about the terms. The Iranians are willing to walk at that time. More so than what the Obama administration was willing to walk. That was working Serey at the time it has been proven out over and over again. Now that we're pulling out of the deal, and now the Iranians are desperate to hold onto now now they're trying to cling onto it. While now the Trump administration is saying, you know what I can sit here for a little longer while we ratched up the pressure now the pressure is getting near rainiest back. And so they flip the tables. And I think that the more that we can solidify that table flipping so that Iranians are the ones that are desperate for the deal. And the Americans are saying, you know what we're already in a better place and we were over the last eight years. The more we can do that. And then we don't we don't have to get. It's not we don't have to get any kind of deal we can sit. And wait until we actually have a deal that makes sense of the United States. Rebeccah Heinrichs with the Hudson institute. Can I just had one more thing? The other question is what's negotiation? There's actually a negotiation that's already going on. You can see it. There was a couple of weeks ago or a week ago. President Trump said, don't threaten the United States. I will end Iran. Then today, we'd be that the United States decided not to impose sanctions and we're hearing, we're hearing software rhetoric out of Iran, that wasn't those. I don't believe that those were just decisions that were made as the two period at each other across thousands of miles, there were messages that were that were that were exchanged back and forth, and I suspect that if negotiation more formal negotiation takes place. It will be through the mediation of the Europeans, because the Iranian goal is to make the United States accountable to the Europeans. That's what they're doing. The Iranians are putting the Europeans out out front. So I suspect that they are really very much going to what the Europeans at the table. So you'll have the Americans in one room. Figuratively speaking Iranians in another room and the Europeans in the middle. We're, we're running out of time. We're going to do is, we have a mock microphone on the side. And if you first gentleman, and Hawaiian shirt and the gentlemen, you ask you questions and ask them quickly. And then we'll see if we can get answers here. My name is Freeman. I'm in weapons specialist. I think that the panel is suggesting that we are moving towards negotiation one way or another. That might be misleading conclusion. United we really need to question. Running question is in light of the fact of the Iranians strategy is to maintain dominance and hegemony of the Middle East. And the only way they can reach these nuclear power doesn't that imply a permanent unacceptable situation for the United States and its allies in the Middle East. In other words, a permanent conflict leading to war possibly, can you pass the mega front of the gentleman right behind you and we're going to get two questions out? We'll see them get to answers out. My name is Alabama's. I'm Representative of communist party could you opposition in Washington? Okay. I hope question, two months ago, the manmade flat was in Iran. We heard the news large of UNICEF. Iraqi Shia militia interferon under pretext of the helping aiding victims, but we had a Newsday those unit never left Iran and we track. Him and three weeks ago. We, we have evidence of the film and picture station in border between Iraq and Iran Kurdistan, and three days ago this unit opened fire on group of locals and border. They killed four Kurds confirmed and injured. Many more and unconfirmed fourteen people in news. Why Iranian regime using these Iraqi Shia militia border, who would like to Rebecca looks like you wanted to answer the first gentleman's question. Yeah. Dr entire panel kind of spoke to that, to that, question, which is that there. No, I don't I don't think the choices are some sort of deal or or war that it's necessarily because, you know, at this point, the Iranians have a very nation limited nuclear program that, that is not what it, what it needs to be to, to provide the coercive effect that it wants to have. And as long as the United States maintains pressure that we have now. Our goal is sent ensure that it never that never happens with the cooperation and support of our allies. I think I think that's an excellent closing statement. Because last, we do have to adjourn. I think that some of our panelists will continue to field questions in a casual manner. And the meantime, I wanted to thank you very much for coming. I want to thank C span and Hudson institute and above. All are excellent. Panelists thank you very much. Thank you. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. We Smith the moderator with the Hudson institute, senior, fellow and tablet magazine media, columnist. This has been live from the institute in Washington, those panelists again included Michael Duran, former senior director of the national Security Council under President George W Bush, Rebeccah Heinrichs with the Hudson institute. Jay Solomon with the Washington Institute for nearest policy and Ray K with the council on foreign relations former advisor on Iran to the State Department. Sundays at.
"michael duran" Discussed on WBSM 1420
"Michael Duran was that a Freudian slip at the beginning. Where she starts talk about celebrating the holocaust. I think you know, I think what he's trying to do to give her the benefit of the doubt. I think what he's trying to do is. She's trying to say I oppose Israel in Zionism, but I'm not an anti Semite. So yes, this horrible thing happened to the Jews, but me, and my people tell people were were not anti-semites, but it trying to do that cheat. She's trying to recreate the to write rewrite history. So that the Palestinians are both trying to give the Jews a safe haven and being white out by so she gets to maintain the the the Palestinian Sorek narrative while while adopting the a more Jewish friendly one that's the best I can make it till actual gobbledygook. It doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, even that is a little bit more charitable than I was earlier during the show might there in. But hey, I also wanted to get your. Because I know we haven't talked since the Muller report came out and I follow you on Twitter. I'd encourage everybody to follow you at Durant omitted if you wanna get his take, but you have been a skeptic of the Russia collusion conspiracy theory since the very beginning sense Komi was fired since the special counsel counsel was appointed. I think you even tweeted out at some point, you know, I'm gonna look back on this tweet like a year from now or two years from now, and I'm going to be right. And you're all going to be wrong. So what was it? Yeah. Something. Not not not to loose paraphrase. But you know, what in hindsight you were. Right, Mike, you were. Absolutely, right. The Muller report found no collusion. No obstruction. The entire thing was a conspiracy theory fuelled by Democrats with hurt feelings because Hillary Clinton lost and then intelligence state that thought she was going to win and bent the rules your take on the Muller report. And where do we go now with Bill bar investigating the origins of the spying on the Trump campaign? Barr has pulled the carpet totally out from under the Democrats. But I think that there it's like the, you know, the cartoon characters run off the cliff and their legs are still moving. But they haven't fallen yet. I think that they're up in the air their legs are moving, but they haven't hit the ground yet. They don't realize that the game totally changed. Now. We're now investigating the investigators, and there's gonna be jerked. There's gonna be a lot of dirt. It'd be a lot of criminal activity. We're gonna get people in front of grand juries who we're gonna we're going to have to tell the truth under penalty of perjury. And a lot is going to come out. And they I think some of the smarter Democrats know this they're trying therefore to destroy the reputation Bill bar. They're not going to succeed. So it's going to be a fun show for once. I can relax on Twitter. I can just sit back and watch everybody tries to. As everybody try to come up with with ways to to destroy Bill barber. They're gonna fail. So I mean, obviously, you know, you're a member of the the political the chattering class just like we hear our car show. And we've been talking a lot about the spying on the Trump campaign and everybody kind of has their own theory as to how this originated, I think that they just started spying on Trump. As a matter, of course, because he was mean to President Obama throughout the entire birther thing. I think they had it out for him, and they were spying on him. And number of Republicans. I don't think that there was any, you know, legal predicate. Whether you talk about George popadopoulos conversation with Andrew with Downer. The Australian or the dossier. I think a lot of this is kind of being backfilled to give cover for the spying that happened. Just because Democrats wanted to protect democrat power. I mean, do you have a theory of how the spying on the Trump campaign began I do have theory. I let me just put. This right. I wanna I wanna I don't wanna start spouting off with a lot a lot of areas until we really know. I'll just say that. I don't think the rule of the CIA has come out yet. And then she a I mean, John Brennan, the this thing this thing is has focused primarily the debates focus primarily around the department of Justice the FBI because that's where we found the evidence. But there are a lot of other things that were going on simultaneously with this the shenanigans in the DOJ such as all of the unmasking remember all of the asking for in. I have a theory Sunday, I'll share that with you about why why those maske's were done under the name of Samantha power in the last year of US of view, an investor. Do you know when when John Bolton was the UN ambassador under Bush, do you know, if he ever unmasked US citizens caught up in surveillance? No, John bulletin interesting thing to remember when John Bolton was being when had the the confirmation hearings when he was being Basseterre or the UN the Democrats made a big big deal out of the fact that he had unmask a small number of people in intelligence in intelligence reports. I can't remember the number if it was six or nine or whatever and he had shared the name of a of of one or all the people that were unmasked with his deputy in the State Department. This is back when he was the when he was the under secretary for non-proliferation. And that was it he had he had asked to find out the name of somebody that appeared Vance in in a report, which is a legitimate thing to do I've done it myself when I was in the White House. They're legitimate reasons why you can do that. And he shared it with one other person who had security clearance, and that was it. And at that time, they said that this. This was reason. That this was reason to to deny him his his confirmation. Now, what the Obama administration did is that they the unmasked hundreds of people and they shared the identities with around the administration and a leak the identities and the and the character of some of the conversations to the press in order to in order to create the atmosphere that there was something really nefarious going on. It's a whole, you know, it's a whole different level of misbehavior. I don't think a bolt of misbehave. I think he'd be named according to the rules. But it's funny to see how the Democrats made such a big deal of back. When when he was was he he was up for confirmation. They've completely forgotten about all of that outreach. Now. And yeah, it's like how we always says if it weren't for double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all. But hey, Mike Durant senior fellow at the Hudson institute, we've been leave it right there. We'll afford to get you back on the show once Bill bar does a little bit more digging. And we know a little. A bit more about John Brennan in the as role in this entire scandal. Mike, Mike antics for being with us. Thank you take care of. And if you want to read up on some of my writing about the Middle East, you can get his book, I gamble America's rise to dominance in the Middle East available now on Amazon.