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Sir Michael Caine

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Sir Michael Caine

"This is kick. ASS News I'm Ben Mathis. With over one hundred movies, and two Academy Awards to his credit over six decades, Hollywood legend Michael Cain is one of our best loved actors. He's starred in a huge range of films from the classic movies, Alfie Zulu the Italian job to the Hollywood blockbusting dark knight trilogy, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels Hannah and her sisters and the CIDER house rules. Michael Cain has excelled in every kind of roll with a skill that makes it look easy. He knows what success takes because. Because he's made it to the pinnacle of his profession from humble origins, but as he says small parts can lead to big things, and if you keep doing things, right, the stars will align when you least expect it now. In his eighty fifth year. He wants to share everything. He's learned in his new book, blowing the bloody doors off and other lessons in life and today he joins me over the phone to talk about the book and his remarkable career. Career, he discusses why he never used to believe in taking advice from movie stars his Humble Beginnings in the working class projects of London known as the Elephant Castle and how the nineteen sixties changed everything, and made it cool to be a young cockney in the movies he shares are. We learned disciplined serving in the Korean War and why? It's not just enough to be a good actor as he says you have to make reliability your brand. He talks about coming. Coming out of his self imposed retirement some twenty years ago and says he's getting better parts now than he did when he was a young leading man, and he has no plan to stop anytime soon. Plus why John Wayne Never wore suede shoes John Houston on a directors, most important job doing vegas with Frank Sinatra and the rat pack and Michael Caine on who does the best impression of Michael Caine all that and more coming up in just a moment. Sir Michael Caine has been oscar-nominated six times winning his first Academy Award for the One thousand, nine hundred eighty six film Hannah, and her sisters, and his second in nineteen, Ninety nine for the cider house rules he has starred in over one hundred films, becoming well known for several critically acclaimed performances, including his first major film role in Zulu and nineteen, sixty, four, followed by films, including the hip Chris Files Get Carter Alfie the value job, dirty rotten scoundrels in educating Rita and more recently, the Dark Knight is anybody there in Harry Brown he was appointed a e in nineteen, ninety, two and knighted in two thousand in recognition of his contributions to cinema. He's written. Written a new book titled Blowing the Bloody Doors off and less than life Sir Michael Caine thanks for joining me over the phone from across the pond. Thank Yous, will you now eighty five years old and still going strong still working a lot? In fact, you've done some of your best work in recent years, and now you want to share some of what you've learned with the younger generation. That's something of a shift in your thinking, isn't it? Because you say in here that you never used to believe in taking advice from old movie stars, why not well because the only advice I ever got from? Older actors was give up. You know good enough. Is True and everything and any out director ever said to me was negative, and they said you know Michael You. Know Your your lovely boy, nice boy, and everything and know by looking, but give up. You'RE NOT GONNA make. A lot of producers said that to me. Of when I first started, everybody said that to me. I am. But one of the reasons I wrote the book was that I was watching television one day, and I saw a load of young people being us. What do they wanted? We're going to do in life and everybody said I want to be this. I want to do that. Wanted that then and several of them, said something which struck me. They said they owe said I. Want to be rich and famous. Which I thought was A. A, very, you know not a great idea in life. Because I I became an actor knowing absolutely knowing I would never be ritual famous I would never be that success. I had the thick cockney accent I'd been in the being career I. came out I had malaria after incubation period. You know it takes months for malaria. The about what's home in civilian street where when when the malaria hit me so I was skinny Pale yellow. Company Act said. Not. Movie Star Material. And, so I said out on a career just to be the best that I could possibly be with no reference to anybody else, because if you know I knew that always be actors who were better than me and they'll be active. Who was in me? I just said out. I wanted to put this point across the less of the young people. Just set out to do what you want to do and be the best that you can possibly be acted. And let God take care of the rest. Right because when you came up as an actor in the sixties, no leading men were glasses, but I guess you decided to be the cool guy with glasses. Oh, no, relating totally cut me accent. Eating from working class backgrounds in England was the sixties. where I made my name, and and and that was because of the social revolution that was brought about I mean not by any one person, not even deliberately. It was just a whole group of young people. who had grown up in very strange circumcisers? If you think in terms of my generation, the eldest of us have which are on a bone in in the nineteen thirties. Then we went in when we were six hours six to twelve, I was in the second world when I got eighteen I was sent to Korea to fight. A Chinese me I we this is not a normal upbringing for a young person. And then when we got we, we came home and we were in the fifties, there was still rationing. He couldn't buying anything and in London where all? The people burnt cove for he and so it was massive smoke. And it was a miserable city that there was no places to go nothing to do. And then in the sixties, Khrushchev said we have the atom bomb. You have four minutes to live if we drop it and I without anybody, no group, no leaders, no nothing just on our own thousands of just said well. We got four minutes to live. Let's have a good time. And that's what we did. You start out the book with the advice that where you start out doesn't have to be where you end up and you would know. You grew up as a working class kid from the elephant or the projects as we yanked, would call them and back then England still had something of a rigid caste system. That's it because I was nobody from nowhere. Who knew nothing, but you said when the sixties came along, it was a great time to be a young cockney with ambition. Yeah well, the first thing we got was the most important. Then we got the writers. You know we I, mean we? Nobody had written I? One? One of my first jobs in the theater in London I had studied Peter O'Toole in a playful along the show the toll. which was about British soldiers? Well, that was the first, British, play ever written about private soldiers. Interesting the rest have been about. That's what the Stop the change I in things and Bill Naughton wrote a Alfie working class boy John Osborne wrote a look back in anger about working class Matt. I, the writing came along and made the rest of us. You mentioned a moment ago. Your service in the Korean War you describe it as the worst experience of your life, but also one of the most valuable. Are there things that you learned in the military that have served you well as an actor Oh, yeah? I learned to come conserves That's a gut tests. You know something I've always said. To my children and grandchildren I've said no matter what situation you're in the is bad. Look at it because you can use the difficulty. You know I'd my using the difficulty in in in Korea. Was I got myself into a situation where I thought I was going to die? And I. The main worry was was a coward. And I wasn't and that helped me for the rest of my life, and you can bring things like that. Right up to date I in as much as if you get. If you get oldest thing about producers assaulting actresses, you know in the metoo everything This is a terrible thing terrible. But a good thing of course is come out of it. You use the difficulty. The good that came out of that. was that for fifty years now? No producer will death sexually harassed an actress because he knows you're GonNa be in tomorrow morning, absolutely and speaking of womanisers. You got your first Oscar nomination playing a womanizer Alfie, but you say that. When Alfie came out a lot of people, especially, women confused Michael Cain with the character and assume that you were the skirt-chasing, love them and leave him type, but you're never liked that the way you viewed women was entirely different from the way Alfie treated women Oh. Absolutely. Yeah, Oh, yeah I Thing it started off with my mother. I thought my mother mother was a wonderful woman. Wonderful influence on me. And I fall great agents in my career. And three of them women. To women who run Mike the two people who run my career now. County Howard and Kate A. Both women that's right I. Forgot that you were Tony. Howard she's just great to ask you about coming up in the British cinema in the sixties right in the middle of the whole MoD revolution and for movie goers around the world, and especially here in America, one British film franchise loomed very large in the culture. In those days. I'm of course talking about the James Bond movies. You were close friends with Sean Connery and Roger Moore and you got an early break in your career from Harry Saltzman, the producer of the bond series or Or you ever up for James Bond, or did you ever aspire to be James Bond Oh? No, no, no, no, I I wasn't James Bond. I was more a real person James Bond. It character fabulous character. Obviously, we know but I wasn't I wasn't like that. That's true, but you did kind of get to play the working man's James Bond in the Chris files well. I know showing was working class, but I I was real work you know is Sean was a big guy. I mean he was a big weightlifting. He was missing Edinburgh. Massive mind, but I never never thought of the James Bond in my life, and it was right after the Chris Files and Alfie that you started getting interest from movie studios in the US when you first came to Los Angeles, you arrived just at the tail. End of the Golden Age of Hollywood and you're lucky enough to get to know some of the great screen icons including some who were your personal heroes? who were you most star struck by? I think it was Frank Sinatra. You dated his daughter for a while, didn't you? Yeah well, we we! We didn't date we with friends, you know. There was no love affair or any things that we were just friends and went out together occasionally, but th. That's how I met frank for for for Nancy. Junior e took a shine to me as a person because of my accent, he thought I was very funny. I made him laugh. Laugh a lot. You know what was old. Blue Eyes like. Was He a good guy? Because I've heard stories of how if he was your friend, he was the best guy in the world, but if you got on his bad side, he had this hair trigger. Temper in his mood could just turn on a dime, and he could go from treating you like a brother to being just vicious your. Silence. quickly, you know. A but not would be. He he, he found my accent funny. I just say good morning frank and need start laughing. And I had this. Little relationship with him. I done it, but just with a it took me to Vegas. You know and I had this incredible time with him. It was wonderful. Wonderful. Who are your other favorites from the Golden? Age that you actually got to know you. Know I met Greg Peck. Who was my favorite? Gregory Peck is my favorite actor. I know. Jack Lemmon and Walter Matthau and oldies great people. You. Know I had a wonderful time. I I missed several of my favorites. I've I've. Clark Gable was already dead. Have both was already dead? But I did and became funds become friends with cary grant was fabulous. CARY grant is another actor who like you came from British working class background, but then he came to Hollywood and he sort of reinvented himself as this very posh, well dressed Englishman just as if he had been to the manor born Yo. You had to do that in order to make it, you know you had to become partially I. Mean Roger became caught `push reservoir. He was able to the sound of a policeman. You know in Brixton, which is a low clouds work place. Of London. They avoided. This working class, think and the supreme example of that is Richard Button. who very working class. But he too early for the sixties he was on his own, and he was a very poor family. but but instead no one was writing working. Klaus stopped, and he became a classical like just like the rest of them will alleviated. Jump Gielgud and Ralph Richardson. He became a class British actor for for classical Shakespeare and everything. But I mean he did look back in Anger I. You know he did the film and. With the big working class, play, and speaking of Richard Burton you were part of that group of British actors in the sixties who partied hard and drank a lot like Peter, O'Toole and Richard Harris Oh. Yeah, it never affected your career, but a certain point. You're worried about your health and part of the reason you decided to curb. Your drinking was because you had seen what it did to. Richard Burton out. Yeah, Richard Richard destroyed himself with. A lot of them did you know there are a lot of actors who died who run famous, but my friends? Who died of alcoholism there about five of them died of alcoholism along the way. Who could have been famous, but they successful at least famous but. but they all died of alcoholism. And I also want to give credit to your wife, Shakira, who you say probably saved your life by getting you to moderate. You're drinking. That's a good woman Oh. Yes, yeah I I I. Met my wife Ot seven years ago. And I was thinking. I wasn't. Ob Ob Probably on the fringes of alcoholism, I was thinking a lot. but I met her and she stopped it. Well I she didn't stop it. I met her, and she gave me all the reasons. She negated older reasons. I had for drinking I was on my own I was lonely. I was nervous. I was in a very highly competitive business. We were all like that. We're going to take a quick break, and then we'll return with more when we come back in just a moment. You Open the book by recalling some advice you got when you first came to Los Angeles from a real Hollywood legend who started by making a hell of an entrance outside the beverly. Hills hotel where you were staying at the time. story I'm talking about. Could you tell it? Oh, yeah John Wayne. The Duke Yeah John Wayne Well. How what happened is that Shohei? McLean had seen Alfie. And they were looking for a leading man for her new film. And? I don't think they had to budget for the proper star and they chose me. Gambit and I got the Hollywood the Gambit, and they put me in a lovely, sweet and the Beverly Hills, hotel. But then surely was like into Hollywood because the pictures she was doing when. And so I was stocking this beverly hills. Hotel. Luxury suite. For a week without talking to anybody because nobody knew I, was there I didn't know anybody who was there Ida. And so I used to go down in the lobby and look see if I could say any film. Stars and I saw them. And then what? They did John Wayne landed in the helicopter. And I was standing and I was sitting in the lobby. You know because I was jumping blind and I was only very impressed. And he was signing in. He was in his cowboy uniform have been shooting in. Somewhere and he came in helicopters straight from the set. Because it was either the weekend or the end of the movie. I never found out that. But he suddenly saw me and he said to me. What's your name kid? I said Michael Cain. said in that movie Alfie. I, said Jay said I saw that my home said a couple of weeks ago kid. said. You're going to be a big star, so I said Oh. Thank you so. So he said, let me give you some advice. I said okay he said Talk La. Toke slow and does say fuck much. Thank you so. I then then he said, and I suede shoes. and. He said never wished. We choose why. Why No, it's a because as I. Just told you you'RE GONNA. Be a movie star. I'm famous. Said you'll be in the toilet taking a piss. And, a guy will come up next year. Take A. Look and they recognize you're gonNA turn on you and say Michael Cain and he'll piss lovie issues. Good Advice. Ross white shoes again. Now you've also the privilege of working with some very talented directors including Woody Allen Richard, attenborough Brian. DEPALMA, Sidney Lumet Stanley Donen Chris Nolan, and you did two movies with the Great John Huston. Where was he liked to work with? Did he give you much direction? Asia's fabulous at what I said I said in one day, I said, what's the other direction Michael? He said casting. You don't have to do anything else if you have a rest. Thank there's like you and Sean. You know you're pretty private soldiers. That's fine and you and I both been pretty private soldiers, and so that was, he said. Then went on I was working working on the movie and. I was doing this very long speech and I thought I was doing very well and he he shouted cop in the middle of the stopped it. And I didn't know why it stopped it. Why did you stop that? And he just said he gave advice about human beings. He said you can speak fast too Michael. He's an honest man. So I never anyone slowly worry about them. Yeah, that makes sense because a person who's not being honest test to think about what they're saying. What they're gonNA. Say Yeah, yeah, exactly so the Faucet a people speak. He said the the better is and then the other line. He said, which was impressive the we would. He never gave me any direction in one day, I said. Jonah. You'd never give me any direction. He said you get paid a great deal of money to do this. Michael you don't need me. Tell you what to do. And that was it, but I I love to John. WHO said I thought he was really really great director. and you also worked with auto premature. Who I've heard was notorious bully. How did you handle him I? said to him one day, because I knew he was a notorious pulley. I said. please. Don't bully Mesa I. Say because. I very sensitive. Busted the Tis. Run into my especially. Come Out Day. Yeah! He said. My goal, he said. I would never shout at Alfie. laid off. Aches completely laid off. It'd be fade away over the crap. She really got to go pay. I wanted to talk a little bit about your process. You've come to be known for having a certain economy to your acting style. You're not one for big showy gestures or loud performances. Is it hard to control the impulse to go big when you're acting I'd take it easy because you're not playing an actor and you are not acting. You all reveal person and people can see that they're not sitting in the Nodia. Twenty feet away twenty yards away from the stage. The camera is a two feet away from your face, and if you're not a real person, they will see that they don't want to see acting. They WANNA. See Reality. And that's that's what you do in the movie I wonder. Do you think you learned this more economical acting style of yours? As a product of the fact that you grew up looking up to the American film stars like Bogart and Brando as opposed to the more theatrically trained British actors like say a Livia or Gielgud. That's right. Yeah, see I never went to the theater. I went to send them all. Yeah, I know so. Lucky thing from the sixties happened was we all looked up on these Hollywood stars? You know as a great stars like like God's right. There was a certain degree of inaccessibility to movie stars back then, but what happened in the sixties? Rich. People started to look at actors. Who would just like them? And that's how we became stars because. People didn't think we were God's. People thought we were them which we were. Yeah, and you're a method actor, so you're always studying people. Tell Yeah I went to. John Littlewood's theatre in Stratford in England which is a communist theater and Stanislavsky the Russians. And I learned a lot from her, but she also fired me. Why, why because I? I was rehearsing a play. I. said. What do you think you'll doing? Mission to play on normalize. Should now what are you doing? What? Why are you doing this? I said WH- what she said. This is a group theatre Michael. You join a group theatre. We A group. Who What am I doing? She said you'll behaving and acting like a star. And in the end she fired me. She said pissed off the shelf spree avenue, which is where like Broadway you know. I. She said I wasn't a real method actor working with the other actors being star on my own. Like what? I suppose so so I did not signed. It I didn't know what the hell she was talking about. You yourself have a lot of good advice for actors in this book. Blowing the bloody doors off. You tell aspiring actors to make reliability part of your personal brand. You take your work seriously, and you're very deliberate and disciplined about it, and that seems to have served you pretty well in your career Oh. Yeah, Oh, you got to be no the lines you got to know the lines and respect your other actors by way of example. Can you walk us through your daily process on a film shoot? A film show as I learned. My I keep learning my lines route to we should then, but I'm always relaxed on the set away, I get the set relaxed, and then you go into the character just before and stay there just before they say action, your philosophy is the rehearsal is the work in the acting? Is the relaxation shooting shooting? The scene is you're relaxed after doing all that work on rehearsals. you know exactly what you're doing. You know all the lines, and now you can relax and do it and always bring a pencil You've always been an actor who works allowed even after you supposedly retired over twenty years ago. You've still done over forty movies. Why is it as simple as the more movies you do, the better chance you have of getting good ones. I love doing. I Love I love acting. You have to remember. Mature actor I did it just for fun of it I I love doing it. I love movies. I love making movies. you know I? Tied when I was sixty and I go to script from producer. Send it back and said the past two semi. Basically, you're not supposed to read. The lover is supposed to read the father. That Was Sixty and retired and I wrote my autobiography I went to Miami an apartment for the for the winter. And I opened the restaurant, which was very successful, and I just stayed in. Miami and I wrote my autobiography was. The elephant to Hollywood based on the fact I come from a district in London. The elephant also I saw I wrote that I'd retired you know. plenty of money in the bank. restaurant was making money, and I became Jack Nicholson live. Then we became friends, and then one day he came to me with the script, cold blood and wine, and he said you want to go to work again is if it's not the story of say. He was a stall on the fabulous actor I loved him. And he said that wonderful part of it for you and I've got this part, which wasn't the starring role, and that's how I became a character actor in movies. I I gave up. Start them and I mean I'm very up to build high up and all that and then My whole career came. Kademi award for the CIDER House rules I did six movies with with Chris Noland abandoned inception, and all those I did some of the best work of my life after I retired right. In fact, you say you're actually getting better parts now than you did when you were a twentysomething leading man. More about the roles. You're playing today. Yeah, exactly! Yeah, yeah, I'd I've had a wonderful time doing it now. I've I've come to the conclusion. That you don't retire from movies movies retire us so. If they keep sending me scripts on are like why we carefully do I'll do it now that you have a little less time and other priorities in life. Do you find that you're becoming pickier about the roles? You choose all my God. Yeah, yeah I mean I did many movies for the money. You know But much picky now. Well I was very broke when I was young. You know. They'll have a whole family had no money I used to do movies just to make a couple of. I think they said that now. One of your biggest criteria for film is the location if it's somewhere, that's pleasant that your family wants to go like say dirty rotten scoundrels, and that's a big factor in whether you do the. That's a big fight, so yeah, my family and I have three grandchildren. Now they go to comment on. The I only choose I. Except if from prog which I'm shooting in now, my grandchildren. Don't WANNA go there, but everybody else does because that's a great city. That I've been there before. I shot a movie I. Forget what it was, but. About thirty years ago showed a movie there. Was Sort of delighted to read that one of your favorite experiences on a film was dirty, rotten scoundrels because I was a kid, and that was my introduction to you in that came. I watch that? You're on the Riviera I. Mean what could be better than that well also. They rented a house for me because I was down there with my family. I had two daughters at that time. I I the. They rented the house between Roger Moore Leslie Bricusse composer who were two of my closest friends. It was wonderful, wonderful a lot of laughs. You said that you once did a scene with Glenn Headley where you had fifty takes because I'm cracking up and we couldn't. We couldn't stop laughing. Saying died so young. You know a young woman like that of a hot woman with a heart attack, you know. I, always associate how tax with old men and there was this young wonderful woman fabulous actress. I was so upset. Yeah, speaking of older men. I laughed out loud when I read you say that you really don't feel your age at eighty five, but you feel it when you're on a film set and you see your stand in Yeah. You Sally saved itself man. Who say and they said this, you're standing. Okay. That how other people say. Yeah and families, definitely as you said a bigger priority now you've been married to your lovely wife for forty seven years. I'm about to take myself in literally three days Gimme a little advice Michael. How do you keep it going that long several bathrooms? Never share a bathroom. Love. You have any rubbed for anything. Let me, ask you this Michael Do. You think Hollywood is as glamorous today as it was when you first came to town. No, I don't think so what it is. They come for these very big pictures. You know like Star Wars. Know that sort of thing, so you never get a glamorous personal films much any well you do, but the the then not so. So many of them Hollywood was made up of those when I went there. They made the occasional blockbuster. Great big film side fictional something. But now that's all they make. It seems to me well. I've so enjoyed the book and the interview before we go. I just have to ask There are many people who have made quite a thing of doing Michael Caine Impressions. Who Do you think does the Best Michael Cain? Present company excepted of course. Yeah. Yeah I I'm. Well. I? I'd never seen it I. was doing an interview for CNN the other day. They brought on Debbie. Doing clips of people who who did impressions of me I'm stunned by the impression dumbo Tom Hanks. Live aid did it on Saturday night live. You know he's got to do. The accent needs an American. You know dummy easy. I and so I I love Tom Hanks is an actor anyway, so he's my favorite. Well, tell me how I'm doing here. Elo Name is Michael C That's a terrible one never mind. I did a better one earlier, but. Never mind well. Once more Sir Michael Gains. Book is called blowing the doors off and other lessons in life Sir Michael Caine. This has been fun. Thanks so much for the chat. Thanks so much has been fun for me to thank you bye-bye. Thanks again to serve Michael Caine for coming on the podcast order his book blowing the bloody doors off and other lessons in life on Amazon audible, or wherever books are sold and follow him on twitter at the Michael Caine. If you enjoyed today's podcast. Be Sure to subscribe to us on Apple podcasts and Raden. Review us while you're there. 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Sir Michael Caine on Old Movie Stars, Young Cockneys, and Life Lessons

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Sir Michael Caine on Old Movie Stars, Young Cockneys, and Life Lessons

"This is kick ass news. I'm Ben Mathis. With all the stresses of life. It can be easy to lose perspective on what really matters. But Heineken believes that life is about being with friends in opening yourself to new experiences because when you live spontaneously and embraced the unexpected. It's a chance to create new stories and connections. You just have to open it. So enjoy a refreshingly cold full-bodied Heineken lager today with its deep golden color, light, fruity, aroma, mild, bitter, taste and a crisp clean finish. Cheers. Hi, I'm Ben Mathis. Welcome to kick ass news with over a hundred movies and two Academy Awards to his credit over six decades Hollywood legend, Michael Caine as one of our best loved actors, he starred in a huge range of films from the classic movies, Alfie Zulu and the Italian job to the Hollywood blockbusting dark Knight. Trilogy dirty, rotten scoundrels Hannah and her sisters and the cider house rules. Michael Cain has excelled in every kind of roll with a skill that makes it look easy. He knows what success takes because he's made it to the pinnacle of his profession from humble origins. But as he says, small parts can lead to big things. And if you keep doing things, right? The stars will align when you least expect it now in his eighty fifth year, he wants to share everything he's learned in his new book blowing the bloody doors off and other lessons in life. And today he joins me over the phone to talk about the book. And his remarkable career. He discusses why he never used to believe in taking advice from older movie stars his humble beginnings in the working class projects of London known as the elephant castle. And how the nineteen sixties changed everything and made it cool to be a young cockney in the movies. He shares how he learned disciplined serving in the Korean war. And why it's not just enough to be a good actor as he says, you have to make reliability your brand he talks about coming out of his self imposed retirement some twenty years ago and says he's getting better parts now than he did when he was a young leading man, and he has no plan to stop anytime soon. Plus why John Wayne never wore suede shoes? John Houston on directors most important job doing Vegas with Frank Sinatra, and the rat pack and Michael Caine on who does the best impression of Michael Caine? All that and more coming up in just a moment. Sir. Michael Caine has been Oscar-nominated six times winning his first Academy Award for the nineteen Eighty-six film Hannah and her sisters and his second in nineteen ninety nine for the cider house rules. He has starred in over one hundred films becoming well known for several critically acclaimed performances, including his first major film role in Zulu in nineteen sixty four followed by films, including the Chris files. Get Carter Alfie the Italian job dirty rotten scoundrels in educating Rita and more recently, the dark Knight is anybody there in Harry Brown. He was appointed a CB in nineteen ninety two and knighted in two thousand in recognition of his contributions to cinema. He's written a new book, titled blowing the bloody doors off and other lessons in life, sir. Michael Caine, thanks for joining me over the phone from across the pond thank yous. A while. You're now eighty five years old and still go and strong. Still working a lot. In fact, you've done some of your best work in recent years. And now you wanna share some of what you've learned with the younger generation. That's something of a shift in your thinking, isn't it because you say in here that you never used to believe in taking advice from old movie stars. Why not well because the advice I ever got from other actors was give out you're not good enough. It is true everything and any out out director ever said to me was negative. And they said, you know, Mike, oh, you know, your your lovely, boy unite boy, and everything, you know, by looking but give up you're not gonna make a lot of producers said that to me when I first started everybody said that to me, I I'm, but one of the reasons I wrote the book was that I was watching television one day, and I saw a load of young people being off what what they wanted would going to do in life. And everybody said I want to be this. I want to do that one of the several of them said something which which truck. They said, they owe said I want to be rich and famous which I thought was very, you know, not a great idea in life because I I became an actor knowing absolutely knowing the I would never be famous. I would never be that sex. I think company accent I'd been in the army and Korea. I came out I had malaria after you by shin period. You know, it takes months malaria that he was Harman's civilian street. But when when the malaria hit me, so I was skinny pale yellow company act said not movie style material. So I said on a career just to be the best that I could possibly be with no reference to anybody else. Because you know, I knew that always be actors who were better than me, and there'd be active who it was me. I just said out. I wanted to put this point across as less of the young people. He just said out to do what you want to do and beat the best that you can possibly be acted and let God take care of the rest right because when you came up as an actor in the sixties, no leading men were glasses. But I guess you decided to be the cool guy with glasses. A no, relating med tote. We company accident leaving bed with from working class backgrounds in England. It was the sixties where I made my name. And and that was because of the social revolution. That was brought about I mean, not by any one person not even deliberately it was just a how group of young people who had grown up in very strange circumstances. If you think dubs my generation the eldest of us have which are on the in in in the nineteen thirties. Then we went in when we were six hours six to twelve I was in the second World War when I've got. Eighteen I was sent to Korea defy. Chinese me. I we this is not the noble upbringing for a young person. We got we came home. And we were in the fifties. There was still rationing. You couldn't buy anything and London where all the people co for he and so it was massive smoke, and it was a miserable city that there was no places to go nothing to do. And then in the sixties Khrushchev said, we have the atom bomb. You have full minutes to live if we drop it. I without anybody know group node leaders. No, nothing just other own thousands of just said, well, we got from minutes to live. Let's have a good time. Unless what we did you start out the book with the advice that where you start out doesn't have to be where you end up, and you would know you grew up as a working class kid from the elephant or the projects as we yanked would call them and back then England still had something of a rigid caste system. That's it because I was nobody from nowhere who knew nothing. But you said when the sixties came along it was a great time to be a young cockney with him Bishen. Yeah. Well, the first thing we got was the most important, and we got the writers. Yeah. You know, we I mean, we nobody had written. I one one of my first jobs in the theater in London. I am too studied Peter out to in a play called along the show the toll which was about British soldiers. Well, that was the first British play ever written about private soldiers. Interesting. The rest have been about officers. Yeah. That's was the stop the change. I in things and then Bill Knowlton. Alton road outfit working class. Boy, Jonah's boom rogue look back in anger about rucking costs man, the writing came along and made the rest of us. You mentioned a moment ago your service in the Korean war, you describe it as the worst experience of your life. But also, one of the most valuable or there things that you learned in the military that have served you. Well as an actor. Oh, yeah. I learned could come conserves. That's a good test. I mean, you know, something I've always said. To my children and grandchildren. I've said no matter what situation you're in is bad. Look at it because you can use the difficulty, you know, I had by using the difficulty in in in Korea was I got myself into a situation where I thought I was going to die. And I the mind why was was I counted? And I wasn't and that helped me for the rest of my life, and you can bring things like that. Right up to date in as much as if you get if you get oldest thing about producers assaulting actresses, you know, in the metoo, everything this is a terrible thing. Terrible. But a good thing, of course, is come out of it you use the difficult. They the good thing that came out of that was that for fifty years now. No producer would death sexually harassed an actress because he knows you're going to be for tomorrow morning. Absolutely. And speaking of womanisers you. You got your first Oscar nomination for playing a womanizer and Alfie. But you say that when Alfie came out a lot of people, especially women confused, Michael Cain with the character. In assume that you were the skirt-chasing love them and leave them type. But you're never liked that the way you've you'd women was entirely different from the way Alfie treated women. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it started off with my mother adored my mother. My mother was a wonderful woman and a wonderful influence on me. And. I fall agents in my career and three of them women. The two women who run Mike the two people who run my career now county Howard tight. Both women, and that's right. I forgot that you were Tony Howard. She's just great. I wanna ask you about coming up in the British cinema in the sixties right in the middle of the whole mod revolution. And for movie goers around the world, and especially here in America. One British film franchise loomed, very large in the culture in those days. I'm of course, talking about the JAMES BOND movies. You were close friends with Sean Connery, and Roger Moore, and you got an early break in your career from Harry Saltzman, the producer of the bond series were you ever up for JAMES BOND or did you ever aspire to be JAMES BOND? Oh, no. No, no, no. I wasn't on. I was more real person on is a character. Fabulous carry, obviously, we know. But I wasn't. I wasn't like that. That's true. But you did kind of get to play the working man's JAMES BOND in the Chris files, I know showing was working class. But I I was real work. You know, shown was a big guy. I mean. It was it was a big write lift, they he was missed the Edinburgh news massive mind, but I never never thought of being JAMES BOND him alive. And it was right after the Chris files and Alfie that you started getting interest for movie studios in the US when you first came to Los Angeles Uribe just at the tail end of the golden age of Hollywood, and you were lucky enough to get to know some of the great screen icons, including some who were your personal heroes. Who were you most starstruck by? Well, I think it was Frank Sinatra. Yeah. You dated his daughter for a while didn't you? Yeah. We we didn't we were framed love affair or anything that we would just friend went out together case. But but that that's how I met Frank for for for Nancy junior e took a shine to me is because of my accent. He I was very funny. I made him laugh a lot, you know, what was old blue eyes. Like was he a good guy because I've heard stories of how if he was your friend. He was the best guy in the world. But if you got on his bad side, he had this hair trigger temper in his mood could just turn on a dime. And he could go from treating you like a brother to being just vicious. HA quickly. You know? A but not with me, really. He he found my accent funny. I just I moan if they start laughing. And I had this little relationship with him a. It I done it. But just weird and a took me to Vegas, you know. And I had this incredible time with him. It was wonderful wonderful who are your other favorites from the golden age that you actually got to know, you know, I'm Greg peck, who was about five, Gregory, Peck, my favorite actor, Jack Lemmon, and Walter Matthau and oldies great people, you know, I I had a wonderful time. I missed several of my favorites. I dropped Gable was already dead. Have both was already dead, but I did mate and became funds become friends with Carrie who's fabulous will carry grant is another actor who like you came from a British working class background. But then he came to Hollywood, and he sort of reinvented himself as this very posh. Well, dressed Englishman just as if he had been to the manor born. Yeah. You had to do that in order to make it you know, you had to become partially. I mean, Roger became caught push read your. He was the son of a policeman. Oh, yeah. That's true. I you know in Brixton, which is a low clouds work place of London. They avoided this working class thing. And the supreme example of that is Richard button who very working class. But that he too early for the sixties he was on his own, and he was a very poor family. But but no one was writing working Klaus stuff, and he became a classical actor just like the rest of them will Libya, the John Gielgud Ralph Richardson, he became a class British actor, the classical Shakespeare and everything, but I mean, he did look back in anger. I know he did the film. A with the first big working class play. And speaking of Richard Burton, you were part of that group of British actors in the sixties who partied hard and drank a lot like Peter O'Toole, and Richard Harris. Oh, yes, it never affected your career. But at a certain point, you're worried about your health and part of the reason you decided to curb your drinking was because you had seen what it did to Richard Burton. Oh, yeah. Richard Richard destroyed. So well lot of they, you know, they have a lot of actors who died who famous, but my friends who died of alcoholism there about five of them died of alcoholism along the way. Who could have all been famous, but they successful at least they'll famous, but but they oh died of alcoholism. Yeah. And I also want to give credit to your wife Shaquir who you say probably saved your life by getting you to moderate, you're drinking. That's a good woman. Oh, yeah. I met my wife OT seven years ago. And obviously thinking I wasn't obvious obvious probably on the fringes of alcohol. I was thinking a lot, but I met her and she stopped at well. I she didn't stop it I met, and she gave me all the reasons. She negated all the reasons I had for drinking on my own. I was lonely. I was nervous. I was in a very highly competitive business, and we were all like that. We're going to take a quick break. And then it'll be back with more with, sir. Michael Caine when we come back in just a minute. Almost every day. We hear something on the news about a cyber attack. 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Energy blend that's complete with taurine and B-vitamins Espresso monster certainly got me going this morning, and it tastes so good. I'd drink in any way. You gotta give it a try folks, close your eyes, take a sip and enjoy Espresso monster today. And now back to the podcast. You open the book by recalling some advice. You got when you first came to Los Angeles from a real Hollywood legend who started by making a hell of an entrance outside the Beverly Hills hotel where you were staying at the time story, I'm talking about could you tell it. Oh, yeah. John wayne. Yeah. The Duke John Wayne about what happened. Is that Shelly McLean seen Alfie, and they were looking for a leading man for new film. And I don't think they had to budget for big proper stuff. They chose me gambit. And I got the Hollywood the guy, and they put me in a lovely sweet in the Beverly Hills hotel, but then surely was like Hollywood because the pictures she was doing over. And so I was stuck in this Beverly Hills hotel luxury suite for week without coq into anybody because nobody knew I was there. I didn't know anybody who was there either. And so I used to go down and lobby an save Agassi any film stars. So, you know, and then what they did John Wayne landed in a helicopter. Alaba standing, and I was sitting in the lobby, you know, because I was what is Jim Wayne Blimey. It was only very impressed. And he was signing. He was filling his cowboy uniform you've been shooting in somewhere, and he came in and helicopter strike from the set because it was either the weekend or the end of the movie never found out that but he suddenly saw me and he said to me what's your name kit. I said Michael Caine, he said, you're not movie Alfie. I guess it. I saw that my home said couple of weeks ago kit head you're going to be a big stall. So I said, oh, thank you. So so he said let me give you some vice. Let's hit. Okay. He said togue LA toque slow does through fucker much. Thank you. So and then then he said, and I don't suede shoes. And he said never wish way. Choose why. Why? No, it's because as I just told you you're going to be a movie star famous said you'll be into toilet taking a piss and a guy come up next year. And they're looking recognize you're gonna turn on you as I Michael Cain and he'll piss oh, lovey issues. Vice? Royce white shoes again. Now, you've also had the privilege of working with some very talented directors including Woody Allen, Richard Attenborough. Brian depalma, Sydney lament Stanley done and Chris Nolan and you did two movies with the great John Houston was he liked to work with did to give you much direction? Abe was fabulous. What I said. In one day. I said what's the other direction? Michael he said casting cast it, right? You don't have to do anything else. If you have a rest like I said, it's like you and shown, you know, you're pretty private soldiers. That's fine. You at the both being pretty private sodas that was that. He said then went on. I was working on the movie, and I was doing this, very long speech. And I thought I was doing very well. And he he shouted Cup in the middle of these stopped. It I didn't know why it stopped it. Rod you stop that. And he just said he gave it vice about human beings. You said you could speak fast too, Michael. He's an honest man, though, whenever anyone slowly worry about them. Yeah. That makes sense because a person who's not being honest test to think about what they're saying. Think about what they're going to say. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly said if faucet, a people speak. He said the better is and then the other he said, which was impressed. We we would he never gave me any direction in one day. I said. Join us it you'd never give me any direction. He said, you get paid a great deal of money to do this, Michael. You don't need to tell you what to do. And that was it. But I I love to John who said I thought he was really really great director in you also worked with auto premature who I've heard was a notorious bully. How did you handle him? I said to him one day because I knew he was a notorious bully. Like, I said. Please bully Mesa. I said because a very sensitive busted the TIs run into. Vesey will come out. Yeah. And he said my goal. He said I would never shout a Alfie. Laid off. Late up it'd be baby fae dial away cut all the crap. She really got to go by. I wanna talk a little bit about your process. You've come to be known for having a certain economy to your acting style. You're not one for big showy gestures or loud performances is it hard to control the impulse to go big when you're acting. I take it easy because you're not playing an actor, and you are not acting. You our reveal person and people can say that they're not in the nobody is twenty feet away twenty yards away from the stage. It camera is a two feet away from your face. And if you're not a real person, they will see that they don't want to see acting. They wanna see reality. And that's that's what you do in the movie. I wonder do you think the you learn this more economical acting style of yours as a product of the fact that you grew up looking up to the American film stars like Bogart and Brando as opposed to the more theatrically trained, British actors, like say, a Livia or gilded. That's right. Yeah. See I never went to. I went to the Senate. Yeah. I know. So a lucky thing from the sixties happened was we all looked up on these Hollywood stars. You know as a great stars like like God's, right? There was a certain degree of inaccessibility movie stars back then, but what happened in the sixties with people started to look at actors who would just like them. And that's how we became stars. Because people didn't think we would God's people thought we were them, which we were. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're a method actor, so you're always studying people. Yeah. I went to John Littlewood's theatre in Stratford in England, which is a communist theater and Stanislavsky Russia's you know, and I learned a lot from her. But but she also fired me. Why because I was rehearsing a play. I he said, what do you think you'll doing? Because the play is is. She'd know what are you doing? Well, why are you doing this? What what what what she said? This is a group the Mico you join a group yet. We are a group. Like, what am I doing? You'll be 'having an acting like a star and India, and she fired me she said pissed off the shelf. Brave new which is where Broadway, you know? I she said I wasn't a real method of working with the other actors, Storrow Moyal wishy. Right. Like what? I suppose so but I did not have signed it. I didn't know what the hell. She was talking about. Well, you yourself have a lot of good advice for actors in this book blowing the bloody doors off you tell the Spiring actors to make reliability part of your personal brand you take your work seriously. And you're very deliberate and disciplined about it. And that seems to have served you pretty well in your career. Oh, yeah. Oh, you go to not be there. No the lines. You got to know the lines of respect your other actors, by way, of example, could you walk us through your daily process on a film shoot on film show is I I keep learning my large right up until we should then. But I'm always relaxed on the set always get the house relaxed. Then you go into the character just before and say, they're just before they say your philosophy is the rehearsal is the work in the acting is the relaxation. Yeah. Did shooting shooting of the same as you relaxed after doing all that well on rehearsals, you know, exactly what you're doing. You know over lines. Now, you can relax and do it always bring a pencil. Yeah. You've always been an actor who works a lot. Even after you supposedly retired over twenty years ago. You've still done over forty movies. Why is it as simple as the more movies? You do the minner chance you have of getting good ones. Well, I I love doing. I love I love acting yet. You remember I was an amateur actor. I did it just for fun of it. I I love doing it. I I love movies. I love making movies. You know, I thought I'd retired. When I was sixty a script of producer Senate beggar said, the pastas Morley Sunday, basically, you're not supposed to read the lover is supposed to read the father of that was it's was sixty and retired. And I wrote my autobiography at the Miami aboard an apartment for for the winter and the restaurant which was very successful a thought just stayed in Miami. And I wrote my older bug. We was just go the the elephant Hollywood based on the fact, I come from a district in love the code. The elephant because call so I wrote that I'd retired. You know, now would plenty of money in the Bank at the restaurant was making money. I became Jack Nicholson lived there, we've become friends and then one day he came to me with the script blood wine. And he said you want to go to work again is is the story of say he was a stall they've fabulous actor I loved him. And he said the wonderful part of it for you, an I've got this part, which wasn't the starring role. And that's how became a contractor movies. I gave up style them. And I mean, very up to build high up, and they'll that by how career I the kademi award for the side of the house rules. I did six movies with with Chris Nolan by mind, inception, and all those I did some of the best work of my life after I retired. Right. In fact, you say you're actually getting better parts now than you did when you were something leading man, what do you like more about the? Roles. You're playing today. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I I've had a wonderful time doing it. Now. I've I've come to the conclusion that you retire from movies movies and retire us. So if they keep sending me scripts, and like, why did we usually do I'll do it? Now that you have a little less time and other priorities in life. Do you find that you're becoming pickier about the roles? You choose. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did many movies for the money, you know, but I but much picky now. Well, I was very broke. When I was young, you know, they'll had a whole family had no money used to do movies. Just a couple of weeks. I think that you said that now one of your biggest criteria for film is the location if it somewhere that's pleasant that your family wants to go like say, dirty rotten scoundrels. And that's a big factor in whether you do a big fight. So. Yeah. My family. Three, grandchildren. Now, they go to come home. Choose except for Prague, which I'm shooting in now, my grandchildren don't wanna go there. But everybody else does because that's a great city that I've been there before I shot a movie forget what it was. But about thirty years ago showed a movie there was sort of delighted to read that one of your favorite experiences on a film was dirty rotten scoundrels because I was a kid and that was my introduction to you win. That can I watch. Films. Riviera I mean, what could be better than that? So they rented a house for me because I was down there with my family. I had two daughters at that time. I they rented the house between Roger Moore, Leslie, Bricusse, the composer who would to my closest friends. It was wonderful wonderful laughs, you said that you once did a scene with Glenn Headley where you had fifty takes because you kept cracking up. We couldn't we couldn't stop laughing. So young, you know, a young woman like that of a how a woman of heart attack. You know, I always shade how tax with old men. And there was this young wonderful woman. Fabulous actress, I was so upset speaking of older men. I laughed out loud. When I read you say that you really don't feel your age at eighty five, but you feel it when you're on a film set, and you see your stand in. Yeah. You suddenly fade itself my daughter-in-law. And then you go who say they said this you're standing. Okay. How other people see me? Yeah. Family's definitely as you said a bigger priority. Now, you've been married to your lovely wife for forty seven years. I'm about to take myself in literally three days. Gimme a little advice. Michael, how do you keep it going that long separate bathrooms? Never share a bathroom. I love you. Anything? Let me ask you this Michael, do you think Hollywood is as glamorous today as it was when you first came to town. No, I don't think so what it is. They've come for these very big pictures. You know, like Star Wars no of that sort of thing. So you never get a glamorous personal films much any what you do. But then so so many of them Hollywood was made up of those. When when I first went there they made the occasional blockbuster. Great big film side, big Jim or something. But now, that's all they make it seems to me. Well, I've so enjoyed the book in the interview before we go I just have to ask there are many people who have made quite a thing of doing Michael Caine impressions. Who do you think does the best Michael Caine present company? Excepted, of course. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm well. I I've never seen it. I was doing an interview for CNN the other day. I they brought on Debbie doing clips of people who did impressions of me. I'm stunned by the impression done by Tom Hanks. Saturday Night Live on Saturday Night Live. I. He's got to do the accent. And he's an American, you know, easy. And so I I love Tom Hanks's actor anyway, so he's my favorite. Well, tell me how I'm doing here. Elo name is Michael that's a terrible one never mind. I did a better one earlier. Got it never mind. Well, once more, sir. Michael Caines book is called blowing the bloody doors off and other lessons in life. Cer- Michael Caine, this has been fun. Thanks so much for the chat. Thanks so much for me. It's been fun for me to. Thank you Bye-bye. Thanks again to serve Michael Caine for coming on the podcast order, his book, blowing the bloody doors off and other lessons in life on Amazon audible or wherever books are sold and follow him on Twitter at the Michael Cain. When you need energy on the go and don't have time to wait in line. Grab a spread Munster Espresso monster is a premium blend of Espresso in cream made with freshly brewed Espresso coffee, Mormon free milk into unique energy blend complete with taurine and B-vitamins each can has three shots of Espresso in comes in vanilla spread. So or Espresso in cream flavors, close your eyes, take a sip and enjoy a spread. 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Funeral in Berlin (1966) - Part 1

Cracking the Code of Spy Movies!

29:30 min | 9 months ago

Funeral in Berlin (1966) - Part 1

"It is follow-up performances Harry Palmer in the ipcress file Michael Caine returns for the next by Adventure in funeral in Berlin. But in the world of spy movies, whose funeral is it in Berlin? Hi, this is Tom Passat and Dan Silvestri from Spy Movie navigator.com. Today. We're cracking the code of funeral in Berlin. If you like our podcast, please give us a 5-star rating on your favorite podcast app that helps a lot. All right, it's time to attend a funeral in Berlin will divide this podcast into two shorter parts. So let's get going with part one off. I was just her a little clip from the music by Conrad elfers from the funeral in Berlin and it really is kind of a dirge Melody. So it sets the tone for what you're going to see it is different than the John Barry score we heard before absolutely from the upgrade does change the flavor a little bit. Yeah today, we're talking about another spy movie but not just any spy movie. But where the character Harry Palmer continues to develop his character from the Hypocrites file here. We see another spy other than Bond developing into an ongoing story and this is based on the novels by Len deighton. Now the main players in the funeral in Berlin are Michael Cain, of course is Harry Palmer Paul. Hubschmitt has Johnny Vulcan Heinz Schubert as Aaron Levine. Nicholasville says Verner Oscar Homolka as Colonel stock. Terrific Eva. Renzi is Samantha Steele and Gunther Meisner as kreutzmann. Now, this is the second movie in the Harry Palmer Trilogy. Yeah, we've done a two-part podcast on the first movie the ipcress file earlier this year today. We're diving into funeral in Berlin a 1966 by film that stars Michael Caine who is just great in everything he does but there are ties between Bond and other spy movies and funeral and Berlin and we're going to look at all the connections right now. Okay, and whose funeral is there's a line in this movie by Colonel stock about half way through where he references storming the Winter Palace in st. Petersburg. Yeah. The winter package is now a part of a the wonderful Hermitage Museum and my wife and I happened to get up tour of the Hermitage Museum. I would strongly recommend if you do get the Saint Petersburg, you do check out that Museum and job You're there. They do have the Fabrics a museum, which has the Faberge eggs, like the one that was featured in octopussy. So let's get back into funeral and Berlin. Yeah, we take this as a very solid by movie and now a classic if you are in to spy movies like we are and you probably are since you're listening to this then take a look at funeral in Berlin like the ipcress file a general in Berlin has many of the same people involved in its production who have ties to the James Bond movies first. It's directed by Guy Hamilton. Yeah, but this is nineteen sixty-six and he directed the Bond film Goldfinger which released in 1964. Yeah. He did timings are forever Live and Let Die The Man with the Golden Gun and he was also a pre-production director on the spy who loved me. So he was fresh off very intense Bond filming for really one of the greatest Bond movies ever Goldfinger. Yeah, I'd say one of the greatest movies ever get a cold finger and yep. And what about the production design can Adam did both Goldfinger and funeral in Berlin as well as the across file and five other Bond movies. Wow, these are two huge connections from bond to this very solid 1966 by film but wait like the ipcress file Harry Saltzman produced this movie, too. Of course Salzman co-produced many of the early Bond movies along with Albert R. Broccoli cubby broccoli and had a production company to do this. He used it for Film Production of eight movies 1965 through 1998, including three Harry Palmer films with Michael Cain including the ipcress file from 1965 funeral in Berlin home, which we're doing now in nineteen sixty-six and billion dollar brain in nineteen sixty-seven now Frank Ernst who was the location manager on funeral in Berlin had his hand in many different roles in the James Bond movies Series. So in one, you know, one more Thai in there, so will we see some Bond like elements in funeral in Berlin? Hmm. Let's on Earth this together off and we also need to remember that 1966 was the first year since 1962 that there wasn't a James Bond movie released. Yeah, that's so there was a void that came out for both funeral. In Berlin and the quiller memorandum mean remember the days when there was a year between releases. Yeah. Those are our favorite spy movies. Now, we're five six seven years between and interestingly Saltzman approached Dayton in nineteen sixty-two to secure rights for making a movie based on the up Chris file. The F Chris file wage even been published yet Palmer is gritty and more of your everyday kind of spy doing gritty spy work not like Bond a low bond does some pretty spyware off and Saltzman told Dayton something like hey, I'm the only guy in the world who's not going to make your hero a bind like character, which is probably true long time. So this is when dr. No was just coming out in Fleming new of Len deighton and what he was doing and actually he liked the ipcress file and log, That was one of his favorite books of the year in 1962 in funeral in Berlin. What is the mission the movie centers on Harry Palmer a British agent who's assigned to get to Berlin to retrieve a communist Defector Colonel stock way to communist Defector like Costco off in The Living Daylights, maybe absolutely and actually very much like the way koskov quote defected bought a quote. We'll take a look. Of course. Nothing goes smoothly and there are twists and turns that you must pay attention to the photography paints a very Bleak picture of East Berlin in nineteen sixty-six East and West Berlin were divided and it was not easy for East berliners to leave. There was a wall and guard towers between the divided City. This is the backdrop for the entire film. It's kind of interesting how they did this in comparison to the movie The Spy Who Came in from the cold in funeral in Berlin, New Jersey. The color tones of the movie are very muted, but they are in color in The Spy Who Came in from the cold which came out a year earlier Martin Ritt who was the director decided to shoot down in black and white so we have two movies that came out a year apart with very different approaches how to portray the bleakness of the divided Berlin and if you look at this it really nice, they're both Bleak pictures of East Berlin without a doubt, but the color in funeral in Berlin versus the Black and White and The Spy Who Came in from the cold it looks like a party in the funeral berlet. All right move on the opening shots show the contrast between the successful and comfortable West Berlin and the Dismal communist East Berlin a worker under guard is helping to lay land mines near the barbed wire fence to prevent people from escaping East Berlin in a moment song. He runs and jumps into a large bucket that is on the ground lowered by a crane on the other side shots are fired. But he escapes to the West successful. He's a musician by the way now skip ahead to 1969 On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Does this scene sound a little familiar with Peter Hunt is now directing. Remember when bond is in Bern heading up to the lawyer gumballs office to crack his safe and get info on blofeld. How is the safecracking machine slash combo photocopier brought into the office? Oh, yeah. That's right. No, no buying could not carry this large device know how long it was hoisted up to the balcony of gumballs office by a large bin. Same kind by a crane. Wow. Yeah this time that didn't have anybody shooting at it. Yeah. Yep. Just find retrieves. It uses it and as the bin is hoisted back up. He throws it into the bin for safe retrieval On The Ground by another MI6 agent took a coincidence for sure. The whole opening sequence sets us up for the overall contrast between the East and the West the conflict between communism and the Free World and the whole storyline here. All right, we haven't met Palmer yet in this film. Yeah, but we did meet him in the ipcress file. Yeah, we know we don't worry about them from their place while but in the books. He didn't have a name. I didn't have a name in the past. So when it came time for the movies, they had to give him a name so they gave him Harry Palmer and we talked about that in the hypocrisy file. Yeah, just exactly he's a guy named Harry Palmer and what we're going to see Palmer when we cut to the next scene of Palmer in his home with a woman. His relationship with a woman is unclear but it is morning and she's wearing pajama top and and maybe under where I think they kind of show a glimpse of underwear or something. That's kind of like Sylvia trench and dr. Know. Oh, yeah, another coincidence another cool incident. The radio is playing and someone is playing the piano which turns out to be a scape musician that we just talked about from the opening scene Palmer does not like the music and he asks who's playing the piano with his elbows and and he wants coffee mean. What is it with all these spy movies and coffee? I just don't understand it. Yeah, what's another spy movie with coffee? I don't know. One of our sponsors is spiked coffee, Maybe that's why I thought maybe you can just notice it more. Hey, yeah, I mean they're like, I'm drinking some now, actually it is good as an eye veteran-owned small business offering a variety of coughing. Lens in both ground and whole-bean and even K-Cups get some double agent medium roast, which I'm drinking. Now one of our favorites here at spy movie navigator.com our listeners get a 20% discount on purchases when they use the Spy code. Spine Ave. S p y n a v as the coupon code at checkout. So if you're a coffee lover head over to spike off he's off in order some very good coffee and just remember to use spy nav for your 20% discount. All right, so well Palmer's getting his coffee his phone rings and he answers it in the man on the other end says this is round-robin calling. Javac of this part. It's like hm who's round-robin obviously, he's using a code which Palmer immediately breaks ranks and asked Chico what he wants calling him Chico Chico wants Palmer to observe security procedure and Palmer doesn't tend to follow the rules and that ball league wants to see him urgently at Bald Eagles home. So I love that she could keeps doing it. Yeah. Yeah Palmer break sachiko keeps going. Yeah. So well Chico's talking Palmer staring at the woman a beautiful sexy legs. Yeah, very bottom. Like he says tell him I'll be late exactly. He was lately, of course while we think it's an ongoing Trend here as a character trade-off. So Bond often played off his opportunity with a woman to delay leaving for an important trip or meeting. Yeah remembering doctor know when he finds her in his apartment and he says he has to leave immediately off. She's very playful with him. And he says well, maybe not immediately. Yeah or in From Russia with Love when he's with Sylvia trench again picnicking he gets that call to come in. He says it'll be an hour but Sylvia trenches again playful with him and he says make that two very good too. I love it. So we know Palmer's a bit of a rebel as he broke ranks with the security and protocol job. On the phone and we saw some of this in the upper case File as well. And now he shows a keen interest in women at the expense of his boss having to wait bond with smile that yeah. So we takes a bus to Bald Eagles house sees his boss's wife. Mrs. Ross and she'll make doesn't make bald eagle Mister Ross home. If we have to remember from the up Chris file, his boss was Ross. Yeah, and she tells him he's around back. She goes with him and Palmer says morning sir, his boss squids back good afternoon. Palmer is being late. This trait is becoming more and more prevalent as we see from the ipcress file and now in few months in Berlin as well then mrs. Ross says their husband. This is Palmer's boss or CM equivalent that she's taking the Bentley to the Butcher and mr. Rossiter off. Get blood all over the car and she asks bomber. How could you work for that Dreadful man? And Palmer says loyalty another bomb like features. Yeah as Bond was loyal to the cause and Country Ross notes that he has late presumably he enjoyed some time with that woman in his flat. So Ross hands Palmer a packet Palmer opens it wage. He knows a lot about the contents already Colonel stock KGB in charge of the intelligence sector raw says he is thinking of defecting and says the Palmer your plane leaves at 3:30 this afternoon it was but that was after Palmer said to him. I'll go tomorrow or something. Yeah Rasta reply say you're leaving at 3:30 this afternoon. Yeah, Kitana money. Yeah. It's kind of like am telling bonded doctor. No 3:30 in the morning. That bond is on a 7 a.m. Flight to Jamaica same kind of thing you're going now. So we see the similar relationship between Palmer and Ross as we see between Bond and EM now one thing that distinguishes this movie from James Bond goes to help Costco defect in The Living Daylights, and he's been briefed on the mission but not by em. So he actually was briefed by Saunders from station V, Indiana. Yeah, that's true. So Saunders tries to direct Bond & Bond doesn't really take any directive from them at all in this scene. Yeah, you see more of the character here of bomber as it develops as Palmer is leaving here equips the Russ. Have you ever thought of it, sir? Brasas quiz quizzical looking at him like what? And Palmer says defecting I have so this is beyond what Bond would say to em because of the Loyalty Factor. Yeah a little bombs quit on them a bunch of times and retire that's that's true. Yeah, but it wouldn't affect but but we still know that Palmer really doesn't mean it because of his loyalty loyalty there quite a few quips like this all throughout the movie The Palmer makes I think he might even have more quips and Rodger Moore's bonded in a movie. Although I actually didn't take the time to count them for believe it or not. I didn't do their research Dan say, you know, oh my god, you're kidding me. Yeah, it does. I think he has a lot of Clips, but he does he delivers them typical British way of life pan headband, boom in-your-face kind of thing, but it's wry humor of his dry humor. Yeah. My my favorite line in this hole in Raleigh. The movie is when Ross says he likes wage. It's Palmer says yes, they're easy to grow. Yeah Ross is working in his garden in the yard there as Palmer talks to him and it doesn't look ready and he loved hey don't want flowers like heaven cemeteries or something. He said yeah, but I just love the dryness of the yes, they're easy to grow and I remember this scene later in the movie. So it was just a fun little quip. It's going to come back later in the movie. Yeah. Yeah. So Palmer's got ahead to West Berlin so he's got to get his passport and papers. So he heads over to hellems place and process sends them there to get his fake passport and he looks at it and Harry's name on the passport Mister Edmund dorf Amar jokes, he'd rather be Rock Hunter man. The exit Hallam says to him give my dog. To Berlin I was there with Monty and 45, of course Montgomery Palmer mumbles. So that's why the Germans surrendered again find like Clips here and you don't really see a lot of spies in other movies making quips like this. You certainly don't see it in the The Spy Who Came in from the cold and virtually any other spy movie that they're making equipped like this, maybe Mission Impossible but like the quip that he talked about the weeds instead of roses. We're going to hear that come back up later in the movie Rock Hunter off, you know wanting to be call Roc Hunter comes back up in this movie again, so it's not just that the clips happen. The quips have life. Yeah, that's good. That's a good point. So Harry lands in West Berlin home and notice he comes in on Pan Am just like in the Bond movies doctor know on Her Majesty's Secret Service, and it's actually you know top cuz I like Rodger Moore. I've been watching the saint I started from the dead. Very first episode he flies in all over the world in that series and this is 1962 the series started and guess what airline he flies on. Yeah, Panama new well most movies seem to either especially from that era seem to either be PanAm or TWA. That's true and both are out of business now, but and both our own business now, yeah weirdest so he lands he gets there and Johnny Vulcan is there to pick him up but there's a guy there watching his every move. Yeah, He's he's sitting in a car and he reads reminds me of the Bulgarian in From Russia with Love. Yeah. If we remember that guy, he had the bushy mustache kind of dark features dark hair and in this movie with a guy who's watching has the dark hair at the dark features and the bushy mustache. So it really took me back to From Russia with Love and in Istanbul. Yeah. Yep. The car Vulcan asked Palmer by the way, Harry, I never had the chance to thank you for covering for me on that and a f i deal the nasty deal Anthony go to hell is that yeah, and that's why maybe Palmer is working for Ross now because of him covering. So any ask them. How did you beat the rap up and Palmer says I didn't it was either jail or work for a Ross. So now we know why you know way he's working for us that we did not know in the ipcress file. We have a little hint here, but when it's still well they hinted and hip Chris that he wasn't so voluntarily. He was there a little reluctantly. Yeah, we don't we we have no idea. Why now, we think okay so has something to do with this nappy deal. And he said no I didn't it was either go to jail or work for Ross. So but that sounds a lot like Nyah in mission impossible to yeah, cuz she has to kind of go along Volcan here says he was right your idea was brilliant. And Palmer says so brilliant. I'm still on suspended sentence. Now. I researched Nasi and as far as I can tell it's just stood former Navy Army and the Air Force Institute. That was a company created by the British government on December 9th, nineteen twenty to run recreational establishments needed by the British armed forces and to sell Goods to the servicemen and their families. It runs clubs bars shops supermarkets, launderettes restaurants cafes and other facilities and most British military bases and also canteens on board Royal Navy ships. So what did Harry do covering for Vulcan there? We still don't know and I can't figure it out. Yeah, they don't they don't really give it away know at least in the in this movie. So anyways, Palmer is posing as a lingerie salesman. Yeah, that's good. And there's a fun little scene going through security about that Vulcan takes them back to their jobs in manufacturing plant and their office, which is really just a cover for the British agents running as a regular business. So it's real entity in West Berlin, right? Yeah in West Berlin. It's a real entity, but it's really a cover place for the British agents. So that person was trailing them. The one with the mustache season go in and we find out later that this guy ends up being Aaron Levine who was a key player in the way the movie flushes out. Yeah. Yeah Palmer does not believe that Colonel stock wants to defect but he's going to head to East Berlin to meet with the colonel at this Rendezvous point at this really dilapidated building with an address of 59. This is directly opposite of what Bond thought about cost cough in dog. Living Daylights, that's true Bond thought koskoff really wanted to defect so there is a nice twist between these two movies with regard to the defecting higher-ups and the enemies of life as Vulcan drops Palmer off at the Allied checkpoint, which we call Checkpoint Charlie. He asks Palmer. So do you have the address and Palmer says and my Luger Pistol and my cyanide pills took a inflatable Batman suit, you gotta love this guy's attitude his sense of humor's fabulous and he delivers these lines. So it's like it's in your face, but God smooth low low key poke it gets reject Point Charlie at the border and Harry's allowed the pass. So now that's good. That's good. But no representation of Checkpoint Charlie in The Spy Who Came in from the cold. Yeah. Well see it again in the Bond movie octopussy. The bridge of spies is based on moving somebody across that area home. And the Man from Uncle so this is a fairly popular place in spy movies. Yeah, that's true Lovin. The guy we saw in the car originally is still tailing him and sees him through the checkpoint and go across the border Palmer takes a taxi to this Rendezvous point though. He wants to tax either way to taxi takes off and he's in this bleak a bombed-out looking Place. Yeah, it would be pretty frightening. I would think yeah, and now you're alone there and he's Berlin was like, okay no one else is around until a car pulls up with armed soldiers who take Palmer and bring them to a building and throw them into a dark room. Then the lights come on and Colonel stock is there he had pawned arrested to avoid suspicion. He says he must be careful as he says he is being watched. Now, this is a guy of course he wants to defect so now Palmer is face-to-face with Colonel wage. And what a stock said would I wish to defect he tells them lies, but Palmer just like Bond knows the truth Palmer. I know everything about you found. This is another another good line. You could have put this in Mission Impossible 2 Palmer says I know everything about you from the size of your refrigerator to the cubic capacity of your mistress. Okay? What what is this mean more sexual innuendos here for sure. I refrigerators have cubic capacity. That's how they're measured. You can drop out at that point. Okay? Yeah, so we got him here his Bond mission possible. And now we got Harry Palmer doing the same kind of thing more euphemisms. What kind of refrigerant me anyway, let's get back to it stock says you are not as stupid as you look I like that. And more bad their stocks as will be good headlines for the English when he defects. I love this new bomber says we get plenty of Russians too bad. You're not Chinese wage. I mean, it's just great stuff stock says he'll cooperate with providing information but says, hey, I'm not a traitor like a regular Trader. He says I'm still a good interest. You know, I love this seat. It's a fun thing stock is played with a lot of humor. I mean, he's supposed to be this big communist bad guy. Yeah. Yeah, he wants to defect and they've got all his humor there and you just totally love this guy. I mean you want to like him. Yeah, and I think this scene may have inspired the scene in the movie package when Tarantino movie Inglorious Bastards when Landa wants to surrender to the US. And get a house in a pension stock says he wants a Colonel's pay for Life. Yes house in the country, but I must have a big Garden. I'm a peasant at heart and I want to grow roses in my old age here. We are talking about growing roses again. So Harry comes in with his quip and he says in England roses are out weeds or am I just love how they tie this stuff back together. Yeah, and again in Inglorious Bastards. Londa says almost exactly the same type of needs in order to defect right now as a side note as we saw in the upgrade file Palmer really does not look like Bond He's a working-class spy making maybe Thirty pounds a week. I think they mentioned that somewhere I think stocks you were called you all this for thirty pounds a week. He wears decent clothing. Nothing spectacular has dark framed glasses on spy like but I think they were French Classes. They said that somewhere he's good-looking. He's Michael Caine anywhere as a Columbo style raincoat that's got off a hundred pockets in it, but he's cool. Always he's always cool. He doesn't sweat it. Yeah, he has a sweat cuz we have to remember he was forced into spying because she was to get the suspended sentence. Yeah, so we agreed to be a spy. So he's really a crook. So it doesn't it make sense that he wouldn't likely have the Panache of bond. Yeah off again stock is great. It's conditions for escape. I must have a foolproof method of Escape organized by professionals like by Auto Chrome. Now Palmer must find this guy kreitzman who apparently has gotten a lot of people out of East Berlin to the West before Palmer leaves stock says You must admit I scared you English with the hell of the fact that he just calls him English with taking him into the car and bringing him into the dark room and all this stuff. So it was like it was a good little lines kind of wrap up that whole little seed, which was cool. All right, so we have Harry Palmer back in Action. We have our Russian stock who wants to defect and seems very much in control. This is a good spot to break off part one a funeral in Berlin will pick up part 2 with Harry Palmer meeting Vulcan again about kreitzman great stuff, This has been Tom pasado Dan Silvestri from Spy movie navigator.com where we've been cracking the code of funeral in Berlin. Thanks for listening. Join us for part two in our next podcast. Please give us a fire truck. R rating on your favorite podcast app and it really does help us a lot like us on Facebook follow us on Twitter and on Instagram to thanks again.

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81. Get Carter (1971)

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81. Get Carter (1971)

"I everybody thanks for tuning in and listening as always especially during these trying pandemic times. My guest on the pod today is someone I've been looking forward to talking about a movie with for quite some time. He's my friend and sometimes colleague Paul Heaney who's a year broadcasting distributor and television. EXEC who I had the good fortune to meet some years ago. At one of our various TV conferences markets that we attend all over the world, and he's just one of those people you immediately look forward to seeing. Every time you run into him. He's got a wonderful sense of humor. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of British history and television and movie references, and he is always kind enough to indulge my annoying Anglo affiliate so when Paul and I finally connected and brought him here onto the podcast, we of course had to discuss the seminal influential dynamic incredible. Get Carter starring Michael Caine. Here's my conversation with Paul about get Carter. Okay so Paul. Of wanted to have you on for quite a while because. You're obviously big film Fan your big television. Your Big Television Fan you. You are a pop culture fan, and you are. UK. Born in bread, and you have a comedic sensibility of the highest magnitude. You have really good taste in general. You are here because we want to talk about get Carter. One day, a professional killer went home to visit his family and found his brother murdered. Killed Him. Nothing? The only reason I came back this crack house. To find out who did it. And I'm not leaving till I do. Michael Cain is counter. Get cutters. Cut her gets you. I want you to I set the stage a little bit for when you first encountered this movie, and what your experience of it was, and particularly, since we're talking about UK cinema and anything British in general. How does the class structure come into this film? And how it was received, and how you received it and how Michael Cain himself? Broke molds if there were any in the British film industry. Wow so a lot of questions in I think. Thanks And I'll see you in an hour. Council actually yeah. When I was really young I'm called New Jason so thankful mentioned that, but so far be connected that in. Nine counts it when I was quite young and thought was too so find on. This is Michael Caine as a proper batty had this happened, so I was used to what Jane? Mile Time Favorites Zulu and Other Michael Came said so. Wow, this is recognizing hang. This is a really dark and dingy and depressing and. I. Watched it I think and then years later then it got picked up by Zeitgeist in the Land Calcutta. And some films I think that it's still. I, think would love to say that was an influence like maybe lock stock. A few nights ago. Breweries. Science Com Dan about cruise to what she never football game. No one's watching custard SEIS which is to channel over? A fact is no photons and he wonders up and turns the laser over. Net fuck off from somewhere else. Really knows Clara is imminent, but he doesn't want to miss the end of the game so calm as a coma picks up a fire extinguisher. STRAIGHT PASTA JAM. We're ready for action complex on the entrance, even orders an aristotle of the most ping-pong, tiddly in the nucleus sub and switches back to his footer. That's fucking it as As fracking says rory and he gobs a mafela booze. Covering fatty afflicts a framing matching with bird's nest, and the geezers outlawed the leaking gas pipe. Rory unfazed turns back to his game. Is Teams one tune. An even actually I disappear down rabbit holes to give me today now. That's all we're about. While some of your contributors are just amazing and I'm just so all Michael comes to my time. I'm just going to be a colossal disappointment, so I may try and distract your zero stupid jokes and impersonations if they don't mind, but now he's found some rabbit holes in a there's a magazine called Viz. is which is actually had time sides. Adult comic which came out in the eighties? And it's still going. It's a real colts amongst genova vs I used to work with an editor who? was from the UK and he used to bring in the profanity Soroush. We. We would not work. We would spend hours crying with laughter. Over the various, just horrible terrible, just completely politically incorrect terminology that was used in that's he turned me onto visit. So that's right I wasn't on from very beginning, but there's a character in it, and it's just A. It's a comic strips, lied the ones I grew up with it was inspired by kids ones, but in nowadays these adult strips and there's one called big verb basically Beethoven is against a London step by the end of every single. Of every single story every week, or whenever it came out with the four nights, hit always blow his head off with with a shotgun. If. You're not gonNA GONNA. Tell you down if not I'm taking myself. And Vice gave blow his own head off because he was right. I'm not letting you. scumbags tight may, and so there was a little bit of that I'm just thinking of around this on radio. Looking at it again I. Thinking this is actually I always say if you spoke to the Newcastle based guys at Biz. Where a get cancer is is based. They would say in. It might have had that. In around in that candidates show of interest is because actually. Newcastle's really proud of it tyneside because it's not just new gateshead as well. His house where he lives in the film is engaged, said, which is a couple of miles away, so that is really quite proud of it and. Though. Not Down quite a few things have changed things little concrete in Gos- where it was terraced bricks and things like that from the film. Where did where did you grow up? I grew up in north. London so I'm Yes, I'M A. From Irish parents. Will the immigrants lived in different parts of London, so where in a place called the Holloway road. All the Solana Shit until the age of eighteen didn't actually meet anyone English at that time since. My Catholic School run by Christian brothers. Same School paid a might suing the impersonates. Dreadful jesuits on another stories net do not disappear that how that whole so yes, and also notes on the Nachshon is very. You miss out. You missed the GOP end of your. Your was like doing you Himachal Canes Accident, which is slightly different south London it sounded a few miles south consul, which is just south of the river. I of course, elephant and castle where talk of. Time because I didn't know there was just drama school anywhere, I'd never heard of that and it's very difficult to explain that to people. If you, come from I mean we're talking about what? Sixty years ago. You know the elephant and Castle, but just down there. When I became an actor I, became an active quite accidentally, really because I was I was a soldier and in National Service when I came out I, was working in a factory with an old man, and he said to me unity do this all your life I said no, he said. What do you wanted to do life? And I said what I want to become an actor. He's so, but I don't quite know how to go about it. All. He said I can tell you she really is. This is okay. Company? He said my daughter's a semi professional singer. He said, and if you go to Celosias deduce pay agents. Opposite! Less Square Tube station in Chiang, crossroad. Die Have a paper in there called stage, and if you look in the back pages, they advertised for actors. Sit really he said Yeah. On, the Saturday when I was working I went, and said stage manager and Small Parts Horsham Rep. And I went and got a job. And that's how I started I mean I was making the tea and all that and running around after everybody, but you know. I didn't get very much money. I was always hungry, but I will always always happy when parts where there was meals. Tabah. Milo, Yuno! no-one not many people really I don't know. It's nine dollars to one of Hendrix's swipes Catherine of going who was coldly infantile casteel when she was being talked about as potential wife offender delights amongst on educating people in London that London especially been -fensive Casteel became elephant and castle. That makes a lot of I. Love It. Yes. Sorry completely bushes that really good London story of the benefit of time. Okay, sorry twenty miles apart two completely different accents. This thing that I love. I've six miles PA five six miles apart I'm not sound as a as a soul of East Lake Who's GonNa very much east. You know him and he's much more whining at as sorry Jimmy, He is so. He's more South East than any go. Yeah, you got different actions. Go just put you that. Some Dauphin xers well so. Our listeners in Dartford will be very upset with you, but yeah canes go a very much under accident so Okay, so Michael Caine in his career and I. Think Zulu was may be his first film appearance, maybe one of his first few. which famously he was cast as an upper class posh officer. What's the date of ill commission? Now don't tell me. I suppose you have seniority. 1872. May. Only because he says. The producer was not British, and had the producer been British. She never would have cast Michael Caine as an upper class officer and also. That roller just gone. He was actually supposed to go for that role. A didn't get a cold I mean these days he missed. The call we mentioned is wrong. You just have to check your wristwatch, shouldn't he? Might Show you get if? You missed the phone coal, but a Tommy turned up. go, he chose to leave. I said well. You don't like a cognate He says company actors got caught me. Potts, an se always says he's a cockney happens to be an answer so. As he was walking white civil, we do have. The left tenants as we call it lieutenant over there across the pond. Aided that rather well mean Julie's had plastic film. He did that coach. Officer I think really well, you know. He was switching away with his is the Russians. Going during his hunting, so yes, oh, he seems to have been. A The casting forget cancer. I can't imagine any other actor apartments Michael, Caine. Being in that role, admittedly in the film and in the book, you're supposed to come from that town, so he doesn't have a heck of a new concept action, but then if you left a young age, you wouldn't do and they all very very to most striking different accents will actually the book is set in a different town. Frant-, the director said it in Newcastle National Service out other really showing off now tend Auburn they on the close in national service and he He on notice that new Costlo was extreme poverty where. There are other parts of Britain London. They'll still going through this soul. Hey, smashing Austin powers many scots. Connie straight. You Know Union Jackson everyone's great and crew improving got Knowles, and it's bedpans and smoke and sky and. Grace is. An coalmining! Different story saw Hajjis wanted to maybe portray that certainly hit the nail on the head and it's. This is so dr of the North. I had to go all the way up the east coast. This isn't the fifty early fifties like cold. Grimsby stuff all the way out to north shields, and so on I see poverty, the likes of which I couldn't believe so when I came to make the film I remembered all of these places, and you look at this city. And you knew this was a place that check cod could possibly have come from. A justified. Impart Impart Jack's character. Incredible shot of and there's amazing photos of Ted Lewis. The author of the novel which get Carter is based, and then of course Michael Caine in the film itself that incredible shot, looking down the road with the apartment flats, which in the far distant background you have, the smoke stacks. I. Don't know if that's in Newcastle. Proper necessarily think is A. Is. An asshole gone everything, the background and everything there so in a white snapshot of time. That will never come back so. so Newcastle. Residents of lucky in a way this a museum pace to their city that will never be able to it some focus just looking at it again I keep thinking. That's the other thing I always thought. The film was in black and what? Washed it. It feels like is that's amazing. WHO's it feels like it's in black and white does next so richie? An Asahi Kobe semi. Off maybe a couple of how much color is in the film piped. Can think of Congress in that may be isn't great. All black and blue the Blue Range Rover whatever that following inning. Somebody Malcolm in there as well on Well though the director in the cinematographer wanted it to feel documentary like which I think placing the film in context in the UK at the time, so it comes out in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy one. and. I think it's interesting that John. Osborne has a very good role in this movie to. Live these days Jack. You get the material is Arkansas. You'll problem Mr Kinnear. Jack Thank you. I. We. Ran. Sometimes I think town just piss off to the Bahamas and at somebody else. Gland catch jacket drink. Is that what is happening in England at the time in Nineteen, seventy one. Where was there always this? Kind of fascination with the east end gangster and. The hard man and this slice of English life or did. Ted Lewis's books this movie. As you say you talked about sort of lad culture embracing this. That's really more of a ninety right when it became very fashionable again and when you think now when you look at Guy Ritchie. I some of those movies, but when you look at a movie like this and you read these Ted Lewis Books. It's like okay. Someone just gave him the blueprint to do this. Really really well that he didn't really come up with, but leaving that aside. Do the movie represent like a shift in any way to put these lives on display and not kind of in A. Condescending I think of the things that the book does really well and that the movie does really well. In doesn't look down or talk down to these characters who have chosen this life, but it also doesn't. Them. Other than. Let's say glorifies a little bit, but you know there's a price to be paid. Certainly the ultimate price not to Spoil Nineteen seventy-one get. Carter but Carter himself is the ultimate price at the end, it's not a life of Glamour and indeed all the Ted Lewis Books and horribly for these characters, so he's not looking at it and saying like Oh wow. Now I think and Cain says those days heroes. Go killed off all characters. Main counts got killed off, but he did on that. Bounce the car system and actually. You're right, actually this certain thing and it's another book a couple of years ago very famous book, and he said it is fascinating. John Pistons the professional vonts. Nevada cry brothers out. An s an amazing book about this the rise in full. Yes, and I saw. Transcend is class because? Neither I dropped by David Beatty with twiggy on It's probably not between. Sex drive's a WHIZ. With, holly with the with actors Terence Stamp said. So I suppose, yes, it's a question that was the beginning of so much more merging of costs culture, but it wasn't far before that's that the famous John. cleese sketched with Ronnie Barker. Rony Kubat where they have three counties I look down on him because I upper class. Up to him because he is operatives. But I looked down on him because he is look though. I'm middle. I know my place. Upper middle lower cost down on him and up to him, and so that that actually is still it was still very much going, and in the notes I think people much more much more sort of what's the word, maybe slightly less respectful than the south. The southeast was way you would get the cost system very much. Because of public schools because of London were, the north is much more cost less I think always has paid. Paid, and that's why people's much do much more accessible, and maybe it's friendlier up there as well the reason that so across system I'm people always say the bus, but the south then southeast dissipate less friendly I. Maybe as soon as you open your mouth, people know where you're from what school you went to probably in high in caps at that, that's why I had to change my voice this Matt militarist example you've got. Another they but they call it in the UK when you have to change your voice for broadcast standard. What's there's a term for the type of why shouldn't. Acution now there was a term. Of. That used to be the east to be What kind of continental elocution or something? Not. Right allocate famously didn't do that as an actor, so yeah I think. I think villains transcended nothing. Yeah, he's up in Newcastle in his Mohawk. three-piece suits, which for the why anti sons up in Newcastle with a briefcase Snell, thinking Kobe's ties to more clothes. Nice I suppose people that did wear things next say we have different culture only. Who that show is GonNa have to change that now especially because he's seen seventy concentrations, but he also handles himself. With a certain upper class, nece in terms of his dress, and how he orders his drinks, and no south thing they that felt like a there's always a certain resentment from the knowles use so the news coming up ahead sat trying to tell us what to do. Use Like I encountered that gun to mentioned the to go look. It was that was. That was a certain chippiness nine. I left it because I like coming up there because all of a sudden. Judge me when you open your mouth. Will you say reform? What is not where it's a nice still see you as a as a posh southern softly in anyone console I'm certainly not that. That's humorless nurse. Right their self deprecating humor so yet. Take Sawyer events about as good as he gets with Kanye East Coast snootiness isn't Disney when he. Goes across the road from the train station. Teams. That probably still there, that's amazing. Avenue Costa said I'm yeah. I mean it looks like and their own extras on night as well. Let's stay mining. Their extras and you can tell their extras. He ought to use that, didn't they? To get now I think came wants you to really realistic failed not just in the no scenes, but also in the fight scenes. He was in the army, so he's probably got a bit of that ABC's Solve A. Hose himself really well when he walks in there, because also he's paranoid as hell, his brother as tiny mysterious circumstances, he's looking around as soon as he steps out of that train thinking right, there's someone round he knows about I don't search for London for an arrogant London and he's cocky London because he's A. He's a bit of a gangster. He will think new council is nothing and I know he thinks that way so that I know he's a cookie Sava and you can tell the extra tools is slightly chippy and night deserves to be that because he's being baragan souls, amas nate he's. More or less an as being a bit so. I'll tell you I was gonNA. Be You know the whole? Going sort of stuff, but the whole way folks spokespeople. Also Mike. Hodges Cast Alun Armstrong as the bartender in that scene and talk about an amazing career that Kinda launched from there, and the reason he cast him, was because he wanted local actors local to be appropriate in that and that scene in the bar. There's two great shots where first of all when Michael Cain walks in. And just the way it's framed. He's in that suit and. It's not so much a working man's bar because there's old couples, it's kind of that pub culture where you have three or four different generations kind of hanging out there, but the documentary like approach is a few great shots of characters. Then never see again, but they're clocking harder. WHO This guy is! What's he doing here? They know he doesn't fit in already in either. They know who he is, or they don't the way they fill not as brilliant and there was a great shot where after cain orders his his Guinness. and. Just like in the book. Such a great deal which I want you to explain to me, he says. A. In a theme Blouse. Snaps his fingers in a thin gloss. What's the difference between a stained glass? Because a total gas? Because what we liked to drink out, which was also younger, trendier glass, which is the so classic pint glass and listeners will not this I'm describing with my hands it up with a leering late against the Guinness pint glass were off from the classic pint glass with the little little. Thing to talk just before the top called. Jr the other is one. The other one is the jug. Soul windows around the side in the big job, which is your? All Man's one year? Old Man is sold smoking syllable. Everyone was smoking they. You smoke in your role up in the corner with yet with the JUG. Those ones because you can hold ones Vigna standing outside. You know with you having a lash the legs Akimbo. To Kim boats, your mates or the by as much easier so hold. Where's the job is so relevant? Heavier. Soil last, so yeah, Yeah, I didn't even think about. Yeah, it was he signed told us not a thin thin in a thinning boss. Nothing else. Attitude, which is such a great detail, and that's in the book that's in Ted Lewis his book, and that's the on such a great example of the kind of minute detail that really makes ted. Lewis books so incredible, and that I think my hodges captured so well in the movie. Is that element which you know in an American film? There would then be someone who would explain that. Why is he wanNA seem glass. It and then some some insular character would give us the explanation you just gave, but I loved it, and they just let it play that way, and then there's the shot where. After he does that an older gentlemen at the Bar, who's who actually now that you mentioned it? He is drinking out of that that glass with the handle and the little windows on it, and he kind of looks askance at Carter and car came just does this visual double take and freezes the guy and the guy immediately goes back to his own business. As you know, he knows not to trifle. because. He's standing there and he sold owning the ball, but. Any not if John. Villain walked in there. He would have his own chair and his own seats are Iza. You can sit in the corner. 'cause. I thought that was a curious bit of constant earlier on. A curious one unheard it so boastful! It's Bay. You, wanted to get a Weisman. Look back in anger, so pigeonholed himself in because I don't know that that one was a curious costing and I'm not sure if it does necessarily work, could just plopped anyone with a bunch voice in there. He probably would have done the job we needed. We needed someone. CD device, someone sadie. Someone lives in someone a little bit and feats or someone a little Louche, which is how he reads in the part. In America, we don't I. Don't know John Osborne I. Don't think of a mass an actor at all I I sort of you know you think of him as a playwright and you know those famous works in you know him as being part of kind of. What do they call it? The kitchen sink movement at the time kind of like elevating the every day into lofty art, but And actually when I watched the movie I'd no idea who that was in the role. I just thought. That's a great little spot a casting there because I thought he exuded. A DANGEROUS looseness and then come to find out reading about John. Osborne's just messy complicated five marriage disastrous personal life. It makes a Lotta sense why he would be cast their because I think even at this point in nineteen seventy one he probably already been married three or four times, and was known as a character of. Questionable morals and. was. Probably a bit of stunt casting at the time. Maybe but we were talking about CAIN and When he when he arrives, and not hold so element of. Coming to this area of? Of realism of Knowles. unrealism wins from from and I. Think you're. Going to ask you, do you think not amount of my depth de Paul? Greengross always likes to use those of extras, and I'm wondering whether there's something there as well amount of my dad's a little bit, but the way they're real real lacking in place Sunday where he uses real They add something in Oh. Stephen without trying the best shop seen as well you going there. Who is most probably? Not He looks very much like an extra or a normal mother. An extra, so yeah, right? Anyway I think Paul Greengrass is a great. connective director to what Mike Hodges did in this movie in fact in our. Our episode about the Big Lebowski Guest Michael. Tournus was in. Captain Phillips! The Paul Greengrass film about this molly pirates. And to your point. He said that the style that greengrass worked in. was very similar to sounds like what my cautious was into here. I think just came out of a documentary background at this point in his career. He hadn't yet made the atrocity of Flash Gordon, so he's he's still somewhat artistically pure at this point, but coming out of the documentary background, and then greengrass his approach on Captain Phillips was to actually have the actors undergo the training required to perform the jobs on merchant marine. And then basically give them the scenarios with some of the beats that had to happen and just have them do it and the and and and Michael Turner said it was be a little disconcerting when you're used to the normal way of filmmaking where it's like. You know he said at one point like Tom Hanks SORTA. When is it when my shot coming? What's my close up? When do I get asked and that's not how he was filming it. and. It feels like this movie is shot very similarly to that where the details I think after he leaves the pub and then when he goes to his brother's. Apartment, the walls the light switch is. The. It's just an incredible location. Is So boxy for me. Growing up as well 'cause we had honors sold to pay the rents pay, moyes. We had lodges. And does last switches account the bike lights, the soul of yellowing walls disdain mattresses. The Soviet can smell the film minute. You know the the of smoke everywhere. That was am bedpans and it just that the the bed and breakfast place that goes into you know you can tell how unimpressed acid in the the the arrogance that he has in the that attitude landlady has to him and the moment he comes in here. You know with his with his high flew in southern ways, yes. And it's called. Las Vegas. It's got. It's got the electric light sign. I always like you know a big anglophile. I think we've talked in the past. All of the DVD series that I worked through light switches. That's a big I realize like when I watch the classic car as The smile as the. Tinker tailor the original tinker tailor. There's something about those. UK, light switches in that, and in Rumpole of the Bailey Ages in other series I've just binged crazily for like a year and watched all of. There's something about the those flats, the the the type of The way you turn on and off the lights is almost instantaneously class signifier. Yes, and also the Lai wouldn't come on absolutely straight solve It wouldn't be straight away with BS so the below bus just before will. COME UP UNABLE BIG disappointingly dim as well whenever I saw one hundred Watt Bulb gag science. Even kids the wow, look at that. We can have proper lights in A. Way The way those What would you call that row that his brother's apartment is in those with those last? The tears. Of industrial northern cities, so Newcastle was one of the industrial powerhouses because of shipbuilding, and because of coal, and soon after that that's why it's a museum pieces snapshot because soon off to that. That was so cold, urban generational urban degeneration Wa. The the loss of coal mines knows bake sort of older, the strikes in the eighties. A new council did actually has to send extent regenerates. Across Gateshead in Newcastle you've now. Is Hospitality Industry The carmaking making? As well, which came into the area, but it's still fail for it, and I think come even the announced a. it's never going to be. Anything a fairly tax, deprived area, but whole swathe across from west to a Of? Industrial cities the industrial houses of the of the Knowles. Catch you know the so-called British Empire going you know through everything so at that time signed with the bridges. You know it's much quieter now, but you can see in the film. The amount of of ships and Congo going underneath the new council on underneath the bridge is. It was imposed as it was a busy busy pool in. The final saying they are at. That's cold. That's all about feeding feeding industry so many assign many. Allegorical those little symbols in there, aren't they? Can Thinking I'm like disappearing down as a my thinking about is too much. You know all I think it's completely intentional knowing the having a fight and they're on more than. when Henry and of having the They'RE GONNA! Slack! Aid! As a Slang Cape Is. Is that so chipper. Find a slag heap of. Arm Really disappearing your also now ut Wanka, but still you might, but it might be. It might be a case of these low lifes, these scumbags. Audience dumped into the ocean with the detriments of the mining. That's probably also destroying the community at the same time. Is. It's scarring the landscape. Exhibits Coal Mining. It was essential that was it builds old. Is Towns allies communities? It was essentially when those friendly loving caring communities I mean. That's what that's what you get. A little bit is despite a haunt ship. In that region. They had real sounds Cliche, but the heart of gold, and they always say that region of England is so friendly and I'm show line coach. He's got that when he was going up down. During during his military service in the area, I'm sure he found Newcastle being a friendly place because you know they're a tough place, but they're very friendly will decide and also one of the things that's changed from the Ted Lewis Book is when when Carter goes to his brother's flat in the book. It's. It's much. It's Nita's pen. It's much less downmarket. Portrayed in the movie and I think that's probably a change. Because okay for going to be set in Newcastle who would who would his brother have been in? How would he have lived? I think they followed the realism of the choices that they made in resetting the location of the events of the novel, but in the book is brothers, apartment and his room is used to contrast the life of the brother with the with the life that Carter chose and so. The neatness, the furniture, the kind of almost military like cleanliness of the apartment is something that Carter very touchingly. Walks through and it's. It's there in the book that we get the story of how the brothers once so close in that shotgun is the is the device which is used in the book, and in the movie to illustrate that the initials carved on the stock both of their initials, and they were boys. They secretive the gun, and they went and ran away to the countryside in would shoot it, and they were they were brothers in. They were very very close, but then of course Carter chooses this life, and his brother was always morally upstanding and in the book that's much more fleshed out and much more a profound difference and also. A little, they they they glance at it in the movie with one line, but in the book it's it's a major story point that. Michael, Caines character may be the father of the daughter, not French the brother. And that's a whole. That's a very big part of the books kind of engine and in here. I think there's just one moment where someone's. And he yells it at at Carter. As approvals. It has an accusation and it's kind of just left there. You don't really get into its. I'm always interested when you when you. It's very rare that you have an amazing book. An amazing movie that are different, but both great in their own way, and this is an example of that. Because I was really blown away a huge crime fiction guy, but I had missed Ted Lewis Somehow I do miss that also you also think that Frank I've I've so. Don't think of him has been outstanding, not having read the books. But what's the film few times you saw state note frank is involved in something. You know he's not so. He's got some involvement on the dockside a little bit, so he's he's no not as menacing or is. A state in in crime as as. As kinds characterize. E So so me ended book maybe. Outlines much more of a difference between a contrast. I suppose it does, and it's Yeah, then frank is not at all, played that way in the book he's. He's A. Point it's a point storyline. That I actually would have, but I can see why. You don't do it in the movie because. You'd have to have children actors you'd have to you know they'd have to be good enough to plausibly play the relationship and the separation. It's a different type of a movie and I I can see what hodges did the other thing. That's impressive looking at the movie now. Is the image of the movie in Popular Culture? Now is that it's ultra violent. A CRAZY PULL! No punches ultra violent. Fast of blood didn't exploding brains. Not until you get to the very end, I mean it's the living definition of the slow-burn. Oh, yeah, I know so the the fight scenes close up unrealistic and you can solve. You can head, and he sold O K, so slap. Anything last CNS good on its. Some, Scotland sold saving private. Ryan way is face to face von. They will last right. Nice, but they none a yeah. It's funny what you said about. Originally I actually broke down some of the reviews at the time. and. It says this is the London Evening News. She's no longer around a revolting, bestial, horribly vaunted piece of cinema. L. I mean. What would I make films now? That particular John. And then other. Other critics lineups to take potshots at the film's unremitting bleakness in brutality, so Blimey, I mean it's not exactly just opium as I mean for all of its blatantness and it says here this is George, many a jazz musician, and also writing in the Observer, about as pleasant as a bottle of niche swallowed before breakfast. Wish actually is goes a rave review then. She Arabia. It'd be I. Think it was a slow burn. It was it became trendy. And it's funny. How many sorry I'm going off topic Beth? How many times do you get people so of one or told to Kane about his best films and I've found is quite a few times. Even seen as his top five or top ten or no cane, so other people knew how can be in his top five. Raise, it has to be, it's probably. I'm sure we'll talk about that. Lights says she has a low back chain himself. Bloody Hell Atlas as Kerman said you know this was just made for McCain. You know and he's got. He's never been as evil or as well cost, or is AJ yen? It's too bad that he He didn't get to play the character again I was thinking even now would be an amazing film. of course he dies at the answer. I guess he can't do it. You'd have have a little magical realism, but had the character lived. It would have been. Especially, if you've sold sold, may be game of thrones. Time seeing you could have had those white crushing them. They could have Alexia. That would have just saved deans who is a bit like Jon snow, going to seek Dentsu him and then then. That task. Reveal it probably wouldn't have been as Rabin had there been a second one now. In the UK that. The sly stallone version wasn't even released over here. Thank God I. Haven't seen it I've I'm going to do everyone the favor of not watching that I. Don't think there's any reason to go there. I can't I mean I. Get you know what the best that can be said about that without having seen the movie, but just presuming that it's awful, is that if sly stallone was such a big Fan of either the? The book or the movie that he used his power to remake it and start himself great as vanity vehicle I hope that's the case I hope it was out of his genuine love for the film in the book that he wanted to do it. And then, and in that case I'll give them a total pass if it's just like crass business thing that somebody was like. Hey, let's remake that with sly stallone. Things happened this story. You know we. Made a mistake sweet. Fall down. Kidding the trouble happened everybody. Does. But. It doesn't mean everything happy. Yesterday has to happen every day. WanNa. Do like spend your whole life looking backwards. I will I will I will never see that. There's no going to see that. If you do thirty thousand of these podcasts, maybe it might. It might come up you, might still she? You know what we haven't done debris of county. You know when you realized doing this Paul is that there are some movies. It's just not worth it. It's not worth your time to spend an hour talking about them, and it's not worth it to put all the time and effort into editing it to release it, and that's usually. It's funny to do a bad movie, and then you're sitting there. Watching this movie and you go at my God I have to sit through this well. One of my favorite times is actually. Doing An. Impersonation everyone knows, but in someone else's accident, so forgive me for butchering sly stallone. all your list of do. is on your big man. ME, do. Not Sorry that's bad, isn't it doesn't quite work I don't like it. Let's Talk Bush's way in and out of my house in the middle of the night. Tell me. Big Magic bag shape. Mates a fulltime job now behind yourself. Right. Not Mrs Founding. Such a great line. That's an incredible I. Mean we as brains, my mates, we use this so much. We must nine all the time about everything you know, so. I got the quite wrong. I've been saying. A Big Shape onto living, it's not quite right this is it's actually your a big man, but you're out of shape me. Do reliving right. Different Pick magic bad shape. May full-time job now, the either show. So we? Do It as a joke all the time now, so if you're having a baby, wrestle with the might just say you got custody say. Big Man pure shape onto living and will. Also, pop culture play tricks on US 'cause. I watched it as a kid had watched it for a while. Is that you sold think? Why does two alphabets who? Genial Sorry out raw. The carriage is Brumby, but he'd made Brumby the answer. plays out fraud. It's incarnation straight was the most character. In the Britain longest appropriate. Talk on about. Christmas you don't come to do like this staff. Leasing practice. A CHARITY! Eight. You'd be to. Not His plummeting is come up on. To Chart I'm. Not Pay me. Not. Kill yourself eight yourself. That's if I could you. Plays in the local shop, and for God's sake. What Michael Cain does is he throws? Sound from this over the top of the multi storey carpark can kills him. And Wade -Ly Altro. Asari Click on before in a very lifeless way but I'll see the stuntman in him was used to just falling on his head draws than using his own, but wait at that point. was He already on the soap? He won't say so time, so it wasn't a regular, but he was in their coronation street. Fans will kill me now to get that wrong well like in, but in a way. Isn't that kind of part of what the movie's about which is saying? Everything you think you love and Adore about British society is bullshit and I mean you can't have a A. You can't have a more delicate metaphor than Michael Cain, physically throwing the guy off a car park and to his horrific deaths below like part of what we're doing in the book and in the movie a little bit. Yet. Another year, right is another symbolic sane as opposed. Yeah, I think I think the lesson that we should learn from that same in among story. COP, his, building Higher because otherwise anyone can just trust anyone off the edge some low. If I was. If I was cliff, Brumby I would have said. Asfour off the edge of the. Too late you know he just goes to easily. I think I think the point of the scene Paul is that cliff is trying to put on airs with this ridiculous concept for a for a restaurant in the sky, and the repudiation of that is just picking him up by his lapels in his fancy suit with his two architects is Dan defied architects in waiting and just throwing the guy's body off the top I mean that is the north. Isn't it darkly funniest funny? You asked about British cost system there as the two. And you're right, sorry. I missed it brumbies trying to be sort of keeping up appearances. No that Sitcom Yup eastbound's bill sort of. Like airs, I'm not I could be the manner of this place soon in a right, and he's the guy who is. But. That's the hospitality industry events she does. Not. Say, it. Was You know the story about this, but that was? That was a protected building until they demolished it ten years ago. While less than so they wanted to keep it but I had to go it was a baby monstrosity over Prince Charles Cooler aqap uncle amongst oncle. Okay, so speaking of the class system and the north and accents I'm gonNA throw a complete wildcard. You my family and I over last several years. have been obsessed with the great British. Bake off. Okay and many of the contestants and their accents are clearly from the north. Why is that is there? Is there something to do with the friendliness that you're talking about, or is it a little bit more like? Is it kind of condescending in a way where it's like. Oh, here are the charming northerners and their accents like I don't hear a lot of east or South London accents in the contestants on the show, so when it gets to like casting British reality TV. How does it class system come into that? If at all you're, you're right. There is a lot more of it, and that's channel four, probably being being more inclusive if I'm honest and now if you've noticed. You know now when they're on announces on TV. In the UK this way more regional accents, a news rate is way more reason license so now. A she is up in Manchester, now child four's moved to Leeds, as we just have become more inclusive so rather than having a load of wine company. People like myself actions moved out and remember. You only have to go about. Seventy or eighty miles and people's voices do sounds a lot different, even seventy thousand miles, so you can. Go to the Midland's eighteen hundred. Do a good agricultural accent for me. That's my favorite while know because you could go out West Light. Go to Bristol Talking which is why he's so funny when people from. Point brain was funny because he's got so rural, so if not our thing at the end, so it's funny. 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That's a really good question, isn't it? And this is act on even com novel, Y- because those two guys at the top of. Those two guys you know. Architects then just post southern boys, and if you go. You just call Osh. People know it, but it's not a regional accent. It's just Washington, so of course Jackson doesn't have a region it just it just is push and it's just donald down the regional variation, so you could be someone posture Manchester just pronounced his his boss like bath You're still push right. So is just. So, yes, someone will know because you've pronounced your words a bit better, and you haven't let things like in Bristol people analogy ended woods weirdly say. Are you from the area. Are you from the everyone? Aerial Just thinking of not done a very good job of Bristol accident. Awful. Then it work. WHY DO THEY UP Pearl Company? Pearl. Parole. Lets. You, talking Bristle nude this. You can say whatever your life, but you. You'd be impressed, so you told funny. You put an L. on the. You said up Rou- up her. Any no bro. Prima Donna off the Coral Rozov Opera Company. You said pre McDonnell. PREMADONNA, it Donald Donald there's no no L. on the end of IT I. Speak. Your speech never changed on into a miracle for five years now when he comes home and East hills speaks personal. People used to travel was well. People never used to travel that much. I didn't. The less people travels on hundred and fifty two hundred years ago. The mold accents became entrenched, and if you go to other countries, you guys want, you can pick up. An accident is twenty miles away. It's totally different from I. Don't know whether it's assignment. probably knows much. My my wife and I were traveling once in Scotland, and we had we were there for a week or two weeks. We planned on doing what Americans do. which is driving a vast distance to just? Be in the car for five hours to visit somewhere else and I remember. Talking to someone at a hotel we were staying at. We were telling them that our plan was to. Take a day trip. You know like two and a half hours. Three hours away spend the day there and dry back. He's like. You can't do that. For Him. That was the equivalent of like. You would never go that far. You would never get in a car and drive three hours, and if you did do that, you would certainly stay for several days if not a week. And It was just cannot fathom that we would drive that far within a day. We wager we went for Dr Once when I was a kid, and that was a long time ago and we drove for about. Forty five minutes to an hour, and my dad has directions, and it was somewhere out near red, and I had a different action. That crop had a different action. I was thinking Jesus. Swear Alway. Rolling down though he minutes okay not rolling down the window. You know excuse me. Do you know where or no? You're rich? You Far? No! Jesus Christ I love. I love the fact that. Extra! English hasn't spread to fall. They all sound a bit line myself It's really loudly when you go east or West though South Sydney Knowles wife in the capsule very quickly, you will get. Proper, variations and sprint in. It's pretty near Long. Survives okay so another recent obsession of mine I would like you to give me. You mentioned Yorkshire. How does your selection of your t come into? British society in this manner, so for example I gave up coffee in January, and I switched to tea, and I've never looked back. It's been phenomenal and part of the fun of it. As you know I like to go down rabbit holes to get heavily involved in the minutia. As someone recently said in a film we were doing. I like things where you have to do the work in order to get the reward right so i. don't want to just go to the store and buy like Tetley or within you know. I WanNa find out what are the? What are the TS to get so I had post on facebook wants saying like t people. I'm into I'm getting into. What's my brand? What am I drinking here? Because I just picked up a box of berries. Which is an Irish T.? O. Varies Yariel I posted. The picture of the box of berries and I said this is phenomenal I love this and prior to that I drank pg tips and when I tell you this, this simple post sparked so much consternation amongst loyalists to various brands of tease it phenomenal and Some people were like. Are you crazy? You cannot drink anything other than PG tips. Other people say you gotTa Go Yorkshire. Gold you've gotTA do Mary's Red Berries Green. Why is this such a thing? Well I mean listen I really love along question, but it was so vic- drink tea on the bus with any Irish genes. That doesn't drink. On a nation that just drew t round the crown. How did that happen? Why not think he's I'm slightly hyper as you can probably tell. Must Take. You don't drink coffee either. Why have a coach of I turned into a rabbit base of twenty six hours. So you know, I'm out either one person. Say This question for you and don't even know anything about it. To do so talk about it, though even though you don't consume it, I talk about the fact that my wife is. If we have someone L. Great, it'd be nice. You've just might my folks. You know my mom that it's great. It would be like nothing else. Would they ever get offended by seven in the wrong way? See at Barry's. He is the number one so I love your soul of working cuss oil. Yo-yo Chitty is as well, but then a lot of people. As not site. You almost have many now would say done you. You'll builders in your people breakfast as well so bill to say so whenever we have someone. If! You have a tradesman, a window cleaner or someone getting WHO's? Somebody's. Taking bins out Giannakou tape. You would serve them a PG tips. Because then it's easy. You just know that ship poke standard. Thirteen hundred sixty fourteen amount to the cane is driving in the car. We used to have exactly that model. That's just so working men, so you'll see your classless just anything. Everyone's going to be fine with that. Is You PG tips? But if you WanNa, impress me, you do maybe Barry's orbiting respect the orbit of elk right, but Auburn has done Osman's gains anymore. Camels of the else. Sorry, it's brilliant. I think our colleague. told me once. Oh. No, you have to drink Yorkshire Gold. It's a proper builder's tea, which has an American isn't. What does that mean? I assume that means someone who has to go out and perform work. All Day needs a vigorous Hardy Cup of tea. Served in. Chips model with the AM. Yeah, themed us now in a thing, think within law in a thin gloss. The way came. I diverted you I just wanted to I went down that rabbit hole with you on. The other quotes about your big man while the other ones in that. Show on a never hear that never hear that expression anymore. Sean is just not. It's just not insulting enough. Where does he say that in? Got No. He's just telling someone to keep. Keep going and stop bothering him basically. Guys come in. Come into him. Yes, guys come into the room when he's a shaggy ladies civil and he's made when they come in and George Joel by the way you'll notice. file wall lived in Vice. He has a said carrots name on our good. It's just What's the couch Joe is is lived in face. He went on. To be a main character, not amazing. TV Series Space Nineteen Ninety nine. Oh, yes, I love that. Gary Anderson is nothing else, and any also did a Lotta cop shows. He was always either saw but then he starts a tight cops a lot more because he's Bevan honest sort of grim. There's a certain thing in in British acting where. and Alan is described this way as well. It seems appropriate for a certain type of actor to be described as pockmarked and George. Georgia will is described as pockmarked as his Allen Anthony. Not on the on an Armstrong Armstrong, good northeast name. court shows as Londoner. Yet still is yeah on strongest from the region of state, and that's how you mentioned earlier is isn't it great 'cause? I was expecting some really dodgy Jodi. Jodi is from Newcastle Right I was expecting some really. Don't you Jodi accents? Watching again about ten fifteen years ago. You don't get that. You don't get that. These people on putting it on the Rio and that's again so good. Because even now you'll get people. Act as a so good especially. British actors now going out going to the US doing American action. Sometimes, you don't even know the. National today up so. That's good in that film. They've all got the. The accidents and Armstrong Coast Africans are nosy, went onto, which was a big big TV series and he. You know announced. Ship New Console TV show lasted for him. I. Remember America when the wire was really big. we were all shocked that Idris. Elba was British. Snow a new because. It, was a little bit wasn't quite the oversaturation of knowing everything about everyone. That's in a show like that at that time. And I remember I think. I remember going to a QNA at the Museum of Television and radio on which he was either a panelist or video, and I remember the there was a shock that went through this hundred person audience. Joking is, is he? Is he putting on? Is this a bit and they're like he's English. He's pretty British. no-one knew goes. See was just show brilliantly dean into his role in the wire, whereas donate west of the other hands, dot com, exactly yes, bessette through the series, but at the beginning of. A little spotty in the beginning. Is when it's. Sueno, acts have use the corner that amounts to to get in trouble. Yeah, involved hoskins was so. You know had he been around now. He's American actions who to believe a lot basic. It'd be a what year was the long Good Friday because that was one. We consider doing I wonder how yeah seventy seven. So God it's amazing. How influential! This movie was then seventy nine, but it didn't come out until I think eighty, nine, hundred, eighty, nine thousand ACA under Yank is crazy. That's an amazing movie man, but you know what I think. Get Carter is more of the long Good Friday is so operatic and insane and brilliant. Is That's a different thing, but this is so. It's unadorned. Talkative and timely and the this is. An atmosphere this. Does is wreaking atmosphere, so it is raking atmosphere, and it's not just reading a atmosphere in the way that we're not looking back on the atmosphere, and it's sort of so bad. It's good. It's legit atmosphere, and it's legitimate authenticity. And Jason. What gives it. The atmosphere won't give the. House is the. Stat same June from the very beginning. Bird. If you hear it now, I think smoke. I think of billiard tables you think of the sounded two bulls mate, when the in table you think of people gone seeing often sold nfl out. Scorch the BAA is got. That is GONNA jazz sound to it, but Mike Goats. Just an easy reeks as one of it, doesn't it so about the cop is thinking when you walk in the line is low. You know what's interesting to me about that song. It's got Taba drums behind it, so it has this kind of this this jazz kind of soul funk. Theme. But, then it's got these tableaux drums which I think is also to me I. Think of like okay England is now becoming more of a multicultural society as we get into the seventy, s and beyond may be. Consciously or unconsciously? That's part of kind of because I. think that this movie is also about the change. That's coming the change that has occurred in the world. We ought to say that you know. The sixties didn't just end in the sixties like in one, thousand, nine, hundred seventy one. It's still the sixties, but if you just have a snapshot. That wouldn't be real whereas right now. John Wall who was in a band with with John Lydon, a job mobile agent a couple of it again. He did it. I've I'm not sure he said. The whole mystery of creation is contained within it. Wow and so and it was covered by maniacal. This may reminded me said. Will you go a home? The cover of? Human League there. Aw, yeah, on death, so they Very minimalist version is very SPA Those British drums use scribe from from that region. See that's the other thing is without getting too excited. Because this this goes into my whole British social history under the industry degrees of always one I. always want to bend conversation tools. Buck. Sheffield sounds as human league in from Sheffield. Just down the one bit a forgive my geography is. Is is in Yorkshire. I'm really yeah banned. From the WHO from that, so he's haven't seventeen see spit from that cabaret. Volts had a ABC lots of other bands on monkeys, but as a certain industrial sound. The Human League has because of the state industry there. Isn't industrial look to get copies of the bridges and you know the coal mining industry in steel everywhere. There is no snow. There is a working manding industry so I. Think you know to be fast as human. They figured that one out, and that was a nineteen icy as well when that came out. I. Don't think it will so stereolab. I've. Much more jazzy version so a French. French version of Prophet. If you like not a few more battles that they don't so. Film close and respected in honor it and and understand that it represents more than just this launching of Britain. Warr, crime, fiction and films, but that it's. It's that embrace of a life that people are probably only one or two generations removed from. Yet but that I think. That's right, I mean. The Dust Revolution was. I was really so of eighteen hundred just eighteen hundreds, and he just kept going and going and going old white through Victorian all through the nineteenth century. It was a powerhouse in so these cities you know those terrorists houses there, but a lot is terraced houses all sit around in Birmingham. Manchester London definitely the batch of they called in certain places may even places. You can tell where I'm the best thing shop wear. wear A. Yeah Yeah see that's in the yard at the back. That was the biggest people's gardens. Would God knows Satyam in only white. House so so I think yet again. The music brings out whenever we think about the film whenever I think I think about that track I think. Because it really is in Michigan it. It's. It's smokiness, isn't it? Right. What else do we need to discuss on? Get Carter. Wow that was she was a lucky break. She was really down a lot, wasn't she? So? She just picked up this job. She didn't really WANNA. Take off and I. Think you wouldn't have been in commend if it wasn't for is filled. Talk about movie. We should do on the podcasts yet. I'll just thinking that. My brother reminded me. He said you're going to do this of. Fun Sexy. You're right, probably have to that the British Clinton phone. Sex scene is still pretty Raunchy and erotic for a film of today's time really can't even imagine it coming out in Nineteen seventy-one in the UK that seems right, it's I had sons in game of thrones. That would've that would have been one of the role in chiseling. So she was in, let's say well. She goes back to the sixty S, but those are all just little. She needed that she needed not film. and. That leads to her. Yeah, let's she. She married sellers and sixty four. Oh, gre over by then I believe. Sixty eight, and then she had a son two years after this movie with Lou, Adler. You is American record producer and Los Angeles Lakers courtside omnipresence. says. She was moving up in wealth. She's quite good. The women actually uniformly in the film are pretty good and actually given more. Gaps and character than you would expect in a gangster film of this type this still not let's face. It is still not really well drawn other that still I mean. They're pretty badly treated on a on the whole in the field I'm like unless I've missed something so. Blindly you know it's pretty tough the way they trades. But the obvious, they're allowed complexity though I mean she's allowed the complexity to be in this relationship that with Michael, Caines character is clearly founded on something real relationships with women as well cain supposedly based this character on a real gangster and Allison Council. Who is mentioned cannot. Discuss at as he called it, yeah. You know SORTA fill y'all think of it well. I'm not married. If it is based on mate, I, so yeah. It was based near, so we will married. He said why we just way just gave us. Respectability was saying earlier about across system. You know this is keeps you respect to as well the marriage thing Marion quite well. You know As as as you say of his time Dolly Birds. They had to have the VIZOR. Their melania trump. In the mocking society. Gone. Yeah, so so I think gangs to you. What is crap? That, what as well I think someone describes new kosters a crack house in other words you don't really know. Cut some. Many on is chasing author Henry's. You wouldn't win. It can spoon rice against spoon. No I don't all right and. I think it spoon raciest. What you have a case schools. While no spoon in front of you, put an egg on it and you gotta run as fast as possible only out spoon with the ANC on not dropping the egg so so he's belittling those about to murder him. He's belittling him. you know any winning mode him as well? He's just a smile on his face. So S why I love the malevolence. Now wish he'd done more a night. He does tweet with being able in in films fog. Wish she'd done a few more on this because he just said it was made for him by could've done. Down to Ted Lewis. That's all in the book. That's the that's Jane that Ted Lewis was such A. going on Ted Lewis, rabbit hole and there's there's a book that's out in the UK right now. That's all about him, but you can't get it here. In the states yet until September but I think there's GonNa be a little bit of a resurgence of interest. Ted Lewis as a writer because. One of the things that so saturated throughout the books, basically, all of the characters sort of references are used through musical references to give a sense of place and time and all of the humor that's in the book and all of the insults to your point. Are also frequently used to indicate a place to class and all the characters in the book kind of insult, each other in various ways that tell us about who they're supposed to be. The ability of understatement to the two architects talking to each other. You know the understatement they use when they hear. brumbies body hit the car. Don't know is an. Funny Lines probably. Glued to disappear that. When any possibly be! I have an awful feeling. We're not going to get off cheese. No interesting for me, but interesting maybe for a US listeners. Yeah, how is that all about as stupid constant down because I'm to seeped in it, you don't realize but yeah I. Suppose it's the insults. They would be different insults because of a because of where they're from what school I went to you know who, in that, some Austria for wall in Australia people that ask you. What do you do the second question? Over here, people still say so. What do you do you do and then the next question? Where did you go to school? I was trying to avoid those. As developing a sense of humor, because if he'd done, I will ask you guys questions, but yeah. There along with along with actually how much people smoke? I mean my God. Am I? Know How many banks with sorry I'm using the word facts Sunday. Rain is cigarettes cigarettes. Yes, but some. Yeah, we call them finger multi national podcasts. People know that you mean cigarettes. Don't worry about Emma. Health and safety. On the side of that. No, you must have smoking. Bet It's very bad. If you calls, and then you have a public information phone with a man with a Pencil Masan. Saying smoking in bed is ready badly. Because fires bias can be L. Streets winning down, but did you know what lung cancer looks like? This was a fancy. Sort of basically. Because the tolerance so thin the cigarette smoke. The whites the chin. The concept. In sixteen money out his cigarette. Same lanes is me. It made him look. Over about lung cancer, and of course the united, Saturday, when that's almost might sound twenty five years since the end of the Second World War you know there all still a new Casa was bones, but you know not on the. Stats, but you shoot yawns and they would definitely be nonstop at home the moon. Everyone else so but you know there's this memory there the war, so they would have had bones dropping. Michael Cain now is I. Think Eighty seven eighty. Wall yet when I was doing some research, I was thinking Oh man it's. That's GONNA be. That's going to be a sad a sad and terrible day. Hope it doesn't come anytime soon. I hope he stays very safe insecure. I just saw an interview that he did. From interview, magazine that I think had taken place during the pandemic, and when I saw that I thought Oh, he'd better stay inside man, maybe not taking any. I'll show because I. I don't want to have to do the impression off mission a shy Sean. Not sure well I'm hearing of the moment. Please get well. It's you're listening Sean. You and Michael Owen she on the Golkar Roemer Rooney Television. Sorry about that by. Anyway watching bits of the man who would be king the other day. Yes, yeah, you're right, I mean might God that would be a dockside. But you know listen a life well lived. The Guy made every movie. You could make and about two hundred more so. And and the will wasn't as good. I can't do it. All I can do is rice on Brown Fails are still is a little piece of. Pop Culture being removed every time. Someone not naive. It's a little bit of your childhood broken off in falling into the sea, but he was in long geese move. That's more, isn't it? I? Think Yeezy wild geese keeps coming up at the came up. I think it must have come up doing the James Bond movie podcast, which took great umbrage to apparently as Long. Your S I guess i. Because I just don't mix up. Actually I think this comes to the English. I don't think Brits. Have ever been able to accept in Australia's James Bond. That's at the root of your dislike for George Lazenby, well I mean he's an ice cream and ice cream model. I mean never respects now. Sorry, mantra spent because it's my favorite bond film listen. It was secretly my favorite bunting for years, but with my mates you can never not have. Connery is your favorite right of course bad form generations underneath now now saying well, no joy is outside. is fiber on, so nobody says that the. They because we all WanNa. Wear. We WanNA WEAR THEM A. cocky SUV only one suits or or bubbles, so we all went away those because we. But. Lazenby was yet a script. He had the best Film Bay wasn't a best actress at the time. He would have been I. don't go down this rabbit hole with you. On. Minority though Michael Cain. Is One of those guys who is both a superstar, a movie star and an actor. Of the highest quality and he's type of he has the type of imdb page that on the podcast. We like to give our highest praise for what we call a working actor, which is not always somebody necessarily that you know right off the bat, but like an Alun Armstrong is is the definition of a brilliant working actor who's not a star per se. But he's someone who's probably GonNa have a hundred and forty eight film credits by the time has done Michael Cain must have over two hundred came to imagine what they must be. But? You know, so. He He says you know I never thought I'd be. I didn't want to be rich and famous because I knew I never was. Never based so that's probably why it came from a background known was a cleaner is Dan. Porter I think he's kept that, and he says he always tips clean as twenty dollars, you know. I always mickle light. I love that his name is Maurice Great. I wish he had changed it back. No, yeah, what is more swiped, wasn't it? And then he realized the It realized it was already wanting to change his name sewing so Michael. White's yes. There already was one i. think in Nicosia Person. SHOULD YOU BE Michael White has already Michael why? Down the window, and so the film posted for K. Megyn a yeah, and how what was his favorite actor, so he's a Michael Caine. The Ninety, two hundred and seventy one film credits, which is downing. May Not many bad films he. I know, but he self deprecates I'm seeing the hand. Nobody gets steak. Fa Josie Jaws Three. He's the enjoys. I haven't seen. Joe's is based on the enjoys to for ten minutes or pause to say famously. Have you seen? No, but I see the swimming pool at bought every day. But I think he's so self. Deprecating people think of him as a stop. They remain him because he doesn't respond to being reveres he wants to be a normal into. I think he's revered. He's absolutely revered us. You're not, but he doesn't want to be so. He, he He's just cool. What is cool? He has he and he didn't lose. He retained. That thing from where he's from that I think speaking of the class system. He's he's not the type of British film star who forgot where he came from, he was actually fortunate, enough smart, enough lucky enough to be able to make that to retain that as as part of who he always was on screen. And I think in doing so. He keeps him grounded in something he never would. He never would put on airs in that way. He would never tried to be something. He's not even though his profession is to be something he's not. Dis Dis a company thing, which is the thing from all cities. I think if you're if you're working cost person from the city, you'll always have this You Know Charm. He's got that. self-effacing Chom so that so that there is people around him if He says when he goes out for. Dinner People. He just has a good laugh about stories about all of these acting stories and I think national. That's what gave him his. You know. People Line Kim from the beginning, and also it does always Seder. Whenever I'm in a difficult situation. He says I always think about non nothing was more difficult than being charged on by a Mad North Koreans or Chinese soldiers. Removed when he fought hand-to-hand. With a bayonet. Scars Sandy said he smelled the garlic on their breasts when he was trying to evade capture when they're on a night patrol because. You wouldn't yeah. You're not really He says he never faced anything. He said sometimes he was looking forward to a good bollocking buying at by Director. He said even. He. Said what he say. Joan Houston sets him Because much Houston would end up being sean connery, which is no bad thing. Give an excuse to can't. You can't do an American accent? That's the problem ray. Sorry, but John Houston said. When he was doing a matter what became, he said he was from Iraq. We don't tend to me anything. He said well. Those does anyone comment. You just said speed up, he said. Speak Quick. On, his people's told Fosse on, agree not one for you. Paul. I'll save you with this tidbit. Michael Cain is one of only two actors nominated for an Academy Award for acting in every decade from the sixties to the two thousands. Can you name the other actor? Every decade from nineteen, sixty, two, the two thousands. Michael Cain has been nominated for an academy award for acting. There's only one other actor that's true for who is. Without the to the two thousands. To the two thousand. Nicholson. Yes it would be Jack. Oh. You look that up I know. Listeners for the record now I didn't come. And who is the only other actor nominated for Acting Academy Awards in five different decades. I'll. quit one head. Okay. I'll give you a hint. It's. My dear boy! Have you ever considered acting? But. Yes Olivier was nominated for an academy acting award in five different decades, beginning in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, ending nineteen, seventy eight. Wow, and he said he said them. Cain said the Olivia was having real problems, not just 'cause. He was on valium during sloops, but he said he had real problems. With his acting in the end, he was doing British Time and he was on Valium I. Think he just being draw the national? I'm having trouble acting with my own face, he said. Workout have to do that is. That's probably that's like a high level acting problem that you get. You're laurence. Olivier Fall into traps like that. I won't acting I rolled acting problem. Yes, Okay Ball! What else would you like to hit on? Get Carter. that's con- system. Thing again is that you know he has a mock to you the coldest, red jank avoidable. You know he's the one that door. Thing I just as a great selection of cars and you last podcast. Causing there as well as there's actually the Sunbeam. Alpine gets featured in the bond. Film gets featuring Dr as well by. I actually think. Sports car. That's the. That's the sports car that the girl picks him up in after the parking lot is. A fancy sports car like Alfa. Romeo or something is other British idea of a sports car. Participants means not quite the most masculine title for a sports car. Alpine when you'RE A kid. Looking at those you sold line is. As. A toaster that's like a brand of toasters in America and they made cars. is also Westwood. It's it's working. Man's as we went. Okay working man's sports car if it's Hosta is a so if it's hosted could be a car and it's just something. I'm happy with that. That's a great hilarious montage that does is the driving stick shifting of the sports car intercut with the sex scene between the two of them. Yeah, brilliant, it's brilliant. It's so that's that's like maybe the one tip over into a little bit of cheese that I appreciate it always. There is a little bit of China or graded on top of that is. Going to say it's Tarantino's favorite film. Was Really. Favorite Bridgestone I say that I could see that. Style. It has effortless style. It's amazes me that Mike Hodges ended up making Flash Gordon Amir nine years later. I don't know how that's even humanly possible that that occurred. Probably do with a lot of cocaine. A. Need for money I don't know now you. We were talking one. What has this film influence and because Montgomery run out mentioned in once every crime film that came after it well. Yeah, it's sunny standbys. Also Montgomery said it's the is the best British gangster best postwar will pursue to film every night. was infamous honest discussing with few nights I would say sweeney. Sweeney was so of archetypal mid to late seventies. Early eighties. COP BUT NOT ALLSTATE COP. But long-running TV drama on Thames on. Is Debate and I think maybe that was the was the one because I'm actually, there's not a lot. The I would say the get concert if it was personified, tip his hat to anything else really because maybe long Good Friday Avi anything as you said. I. Think it's too good. To have anything MAY BE ON. And, then thing is before you had things like in TV subject things out the prisoner, which ruled a bit silly, not city, but they had a Hob name. But this was just crazy. No one else came along with this money fact. Bautzen. This much smoke. This much sticky carpet did I'm. In a in a in a in a thing us. No. It's singular like all like all great things, ultimately it has antecedents, and it has descendants, but it stands alone, and and whether Guy Ritchie cakes takes the lion ization of east end gangsters into. A more comical realm. Clearly does a massive debt to this film in these Ted Lewis Books, but again I keep going back to the books like the film Yes. Well, let's not forget. It was Ted Lewis. Who put this on paper as you see it onscreen? With greater depths. Greater characterization and and even more humour. Even more of this thing. We've come to then experiencing so many other places, which is that? Kind of appreciation of the the east end gangster, the cockney gangster right and it's that's the Ted. Lewis is the fountain from which I think. All of those other things that that want to explore particularly in the UK that type of crime life. Oh, the masochist debt to because he is the original. But I think by the time you spot goes out. It's actually makes it because you know you might just Jesus not worth it. It's level shots but Tim. You you, you should gun option. All of Ted's adshead Lewis is what because someone else will? I WANNA. Make a documentary about Ted Lewis. Someone I WANNA I WANNA get in touch with the author of his autobiography that's coming out because his life is crazy to. He died of alcohol abuse at forty. One and. He only wrote books for about ten years and I've only is. I read this one which in book form is called Jack's return home. And I read what's supposed to be kind of his masterwork, which is book Gbh job never read before which has a complicated narrative device where switches back and forth between now and then, but has the same type of Walloping Punch that that this movie in this book does at the end in an unexpected way, the same lyrical, unsentimental, yet appreciative examination of. The gangster life the crime life, but also had such A. Such a great way of kind of pre Tony Soprano showing us the cost of this life amongst your relationships and I think that's something that's Kinda hinted at in these books too I mean it's the talkative nature of what you said. Is Kitchen sink dramas in who they solve this? You know you're talking about light switches and stuff that we really are in Pennsylv- everyone apart from I, think by now so bike light lice, which is if you don't like Nikolai likes which is is the wrong podcast for us, Nice Johnston. Winds often, my downing sunk. That's the thing. Absolutely thunk! Higher up the ladder. You go your lights, which is a lot less noise. No, so, what else was my new bike? Your Table Top and. Your radio. Your phone said the only thing. I was GONNA sliced. Tomatoes him again in the right way, you bet your whatever. About your pounds the what would Michael Cain late night when he when he strides out onto the straight, a surprise, Allen's has out in that shotgun so terrible again a semi taking helium How would the haven't? He looks me a soul. I always think. thinking big, the Basque's so looking. In, but big in a bit handy China that guy would have been in the gym with his instruction for. It comes out of it looking like a real person. Yeah, a big bloke, but he does it for living sort of. James sold. Just, checking out his Paxton Jesuit. Iguana. Yup that's one we've lost in movies is is some of that sort you know soprano again? Twenties on Tony Soprano with. He's. A little bit more, you know yeah risk. Is something else okay well? Paul those fantastic. You acquitted yourself phenomenally well, I. Think you're going to have to come back. We're going to have to do another film. What should we do when you come back on the pods? Well let's do something a bit different than this missing. How many Just, it's. Go over well in the north. I mean you've taken some. You've made some some sweeping cultural claims about the north and I think I don't know. Are they going to welcome that from such a southerner like yourself? I don't know won't show. Sorry. A Monday, trying to you know your your your big upping it as they say, you're in the creation for it your. May Is it fashionable for the south to sort of. Look up to the north and and praise it or is it more? Cost my some. London I on British second during the second I'm certainly. hours parents, but I think yeah I have more in common with someone from the nose I'm probably would from. From the The Shi'as so I. Always say does that solve Earth Penis in ship. Yet I do yeah I do, but they'll just say. This. Is probably to do with full of things on that as well. Or that blessed I'm giving. It's not enough to do another another one. Yes, you climb both well. It was fantastic to have you on and thank you so much for sharing such great insight about this film, and about the UK and the class structure, and all the things that we know to depend on for. You. The pandemic alleviates so that we can see each other in person at one of our glamorous television. Global Conference stops in the near future we can. We can claim told glasses for the teeth to get county well. I'll have tea in a thin You know you know that the next time we do have a meal together. One of us is GonNa have to snap your fingers at the waiter innocent gloss. We real honestly privileged to be asked to on this because I'll always great, you did fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on I. Appreciate it. Jason everybody stay safe. But My. Inside? You'll doing all right eric. Go making good. Making a little bit. The prospects for advancement is. Pension. Juno. What Your Eyes Look. Out of. Your. Student. In snow. Says if you. Yes retire.

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031. Bullet to Beijing (1995) & Midnight in St. Petersburg (1996)

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031. Bullet to Beijing (1995) & Midnight in St. Petersburg (1996)

"Welcome to spy hearts focus. Your host go deep undercover into the well of spine movies to decipher which films make the noc list. But remember this. Information is strictly for your is only. I'm agent scott and i'm cam the provocateur and camp. We have a very special guest joining us this week. Yes we do for sure. The perfect person to wrap up the harry palmer series the owner and creator of the dayton dossier website. Which issue referenced. When i'm doing my research for these films in the past is none other than robert mallows rope. Welcome aboard good evening gentlemen. Nice to be on board. The accent is already better than mine. He's he's bringing up close. Join morning eloquent. A damn i thought. I was the bush sounding on here well whenever Actually decided it's great to be on your podcast and following in the footsteps of other Interesting discussions on both dayton and other spiced of particularly. I heard shane ueli a couple of weeks ago. Who are no from spivey broadcasts. So yeah looking forward to a good discussion. I feel like the harry palmer. Films have really pushed us to book. Really strong guests. Because harry palmer such a acquired taste and north america where i am not very well known at all and so it's actually led to some really interesting people coming on to talk about a franchise that most of my entire life. I had no idea even existed. I pretty frankly. He's very british. And i guess he he likes a certain degree of this panache. Perhaps of the james bond. James jason bourne has for an international audience. But they're more who have a certain charm. I think let's put it that way three movies and the other twos. We're gonna talk about later. But yeah i like them. I like the stuff that led dayton ruins like james bond as well unlike a lot of spy fiction. Yeah be interesting to hear your reaction says well. Yeah i'm just curious. You run the dayton dossier blog where you really give the history of lending the author of the creator of harry palmer although not harry palmer in the stories. Am i right of actually the name. Yeah yeah but how did that all begin. How did you decide to take this. Deep dive into lend dayton. Well i guess a reader and collector spy forbidden loaded spifer fiction or fiction generally watching a lot of movies. I started website about eleven years ago. Just as something to do to test out my web building skills and it's just started from there. I had the website. I then move to facebook news being dayton dossier facebook page for about eight or nine years or so. It's a small little community but Through it of made some interesting global Contacts and friends around the world who either new zealand own read it a lot. One of which is shane. Way leah hosted. Despite the podcast. I was on the inaugural episode talking about lens work. So it's just. I'm just a fan. That collected really expert report. I'm not sure but i'll do my best. Well i mean when you began. i'm curious. How big was your knowledge of lending when you started the blog. And how has it grown like where you just kind of a casual enthusiasts when you dove or reward. Someone who'd read the books multiple times. I was a casual enthusiasts. The the real. If you lend dayton expert if you will is a friend of his. Edward millward oliver. The chappie wrote the len deighton in the eighties. He is mr dead dayton. He has known for years. He's rumored to be writing a biography over at the moment is well me. I'm sort of an amateur very much in this game. Per over the years through mid primarily through collecting the books initially started input then the website and through facebook Yeah a lot of searching online for news clippings and interesting books ephemera stuff about the movies and it's through the website. I finally actually managed to get in touch with len and from time to time. I i've had lunch with him and chatted with them as well online and they always say. Never be your heroes. Not as a hero as such certainly north ryan choi. He's actually a really nice job and Private imma timeout. But what i do is through the website and through facebook page. Just it's nice to connect with people here said the sheriff same interest and through that we chat about the books collecting the movies tv stuff. It's it's quite good fun me and we should note that we are actually recording this episode on his birthday right it isn date Mr dayton is ninety. Two years old today is quite a quite an. I'm i'm a big fan of the day in dossier a group on facebook because unlike the spy brady bunch the dates dossier guys haven't put a fatwa up against me just so they're not hunting hunting me down or cooling from ahead so i ask them. Is it well. It was my thoughts. On the. Chris was yes. Well the global hunt the scott began. I think there is every opinion on on any movie really. So if you don't like it if you do like it important thing is we have a good discussion. Well speaking of the movies as we say into today's project the first three films the major theatrical motion pictures revolving harry palmer rio fan of them. Did you feel the captured. The spirit of the books like Of the three. I favor is fear in berlin interesting but i think all three have a certain charm to them. They're clearly not no. There's a bombastic theatrical department movies. So more other munira particularly i liked it because i live and work in london groping and london. I think it's always one of the main actually stand characters in both the books and the movies. So it's actually quite. It's all three movies particularly the first to give a good impression of how cool look was in the sixties. Nice now joined by another londoner beckham pussy. Oh no south london. Yeah i i'll either way you are. West is best my friend west. Let's not fool over this. So that's a parochial discussion. But yeah the movies own. I think i hope see the bookstores. Much i've watched nothing for chip crush fall. I then billion dollar brain and then feeder burden uncertain about stuff and kane is is is the standout featured all three of them. Yeah and i mean. It is an interesting franchise. We'll talk about it more in the wider view later in this episode. But it's a journey. I very much enjoyed and just noticing the differences movie movie to movie and that continues ready to today. Right scott Very much so now. I guess that brings us through to what we're doing. So cam. yeah what films will be covering this week films. Yes yes we are going to talk about. The i guess. One thousand nine hundred five film bullet to beijing and the nineteen ninety six film midnight in saint petersburg Two movies shot back to back aired. Either straight to video or on. Tv depending where you live featuring michael caine returning to the role of harry palmer. We're going to basically two bullets beijing first than began. Talk about the film and move onto midnights by talk about the film and they wrap up at the end so bullet to beijing. Now usually we would do the letterbox dot com synopsys. But frankly it's fall too long. So we're moving over to imdb dot com bullet to beijing retired british spy harry palmer sin michael. Cain is cooled back into service by his government to help prevent north korea from getting its hands on the deadly virus. Colder read death. Will that about sums it up there. Scott i think Pretty compactly there yet. Very succinct ivory shade. That maybe we should look imdb more often when some of these larger ones. But i know this is a tv movie camp but do you have anything about the background on it. Well i feel like rob maybe the one to fill in some blanks here because there's not a lot on the development of this film that i could find It seems to have really began with expect. Producer harry allen towers getting the rights to the The harry palmer character and bring on a few other producers notably john dunning and andre link who produced the one thousand nine hundred nine horror classic. My bloody valentine and they were like okay. We've got to reunite the team so we're bringing in a director. George mahanta who directed my bloody valentine. There were like this is it guys are follow up project and the director george mahal is one of those guys where you look at his filmography. It's amazing just a string of b. movies and random tv projects. Nothing really note. There's just one project. I wanna site. Because the title is so amazing and that is deceptions to edge of deception. I wonder what the third one is called. I don't know but the film was written by the exact producer. Harry alan towers under the name. Peter well beck and peter welbeck's his writing credits are also incredible. A lot of fu manchu movies the gore franchise which was a sword and sorcery knockoff. Series that. I actually watched with my friend. They're terrible but very funny. You also did some jack. London adaptations. But i recommend anyone who just wants some entertainment for a few minutes log on to imdb go to harry alan towers writing credentials and just taken the joy of reading the titles. This man has been associated with 'cause they're really really fun while it just sounds like a love schlaug really oh definitely it's all schlock but it's glorious schlock. How so this movie. Not a lot in terms of production. Who was shot pretty fast loose in in russia but in the twenty ten memoir the michael cain wrote e called this the worst professional experience ever which i think is fascinating for a man who just previously the year before had featured in steven gals direct. To'real debut on deadly ground. Wow that is damning. It will sit on georgian. Jews will so he's he has four just he s form in doing the terrible movie. He has a classic karp from jaws for the nfl. Cam likes to to say so. i does. he's not worried about yours for that. No he made a lot of money off jaws for. I don't know that he made as much money off this one. But i was really intrigued. By the fact of saying this was the worst professional experience ever. Because i mean michael caines been lots of schlock lots of great stuff but he was one of those guys who would always just keep working. And you see you would see him in a movie like the swarm for example. He's battling b.'s. You know he would juggle that. With like a woody allen film or showing up in ninety two a couple of years before this in at christmas carol where he's so much fun so he's a guy who i always felt had kind of seen the highs and lows but apparently this was the low in terms of details as to why those big problems he cited. There was a lot of issues with the mafia in russia at the time when they were shooting this the russian mafia base was the hotel the cast and crew were living in and so michael cain ended up having to have body guards at all times. He said they also were using geiger counters on the food due to lingering effects of chernobyl so yup but he said the straw that broke the camel's back was he was at lend film studios where they shot much of this movie and he had to go to the washroom pointed them in the direction of the bathroom. Any said the toilets were so disgusting. He couldn't even use them. He had to go and urinate against the side of the sound stage but the camp. Hey did this old for the art. That's right that's right and it's weird. Because as i have said i think off the air but like these movies were shown internationally straight to video in ninety five but like here in north america where i am like they didn't show on. Tv until august sixteenth. Nine hundred ninety seven so like a couple of years after they were being shown you know in the uk and europe. Japan places like that so real bit of a delay there were it seems at some point considered theatrical distribution. But that was not the case to be although i did find a little nugget that That bullet to beijing did play in montreal for a very very limited run. I have no idea. Why do you know. I think that's the case it was shared in the few canadian cinemas and apparently some brushing cinemas will lucky russians lucky. I mean it's it's rather ironic that canaan and the created with the russian matthew given that that sort of one of the themes running through the the the plots of both movies but says the case of sort of real life imitating art. The other way around will not sure. But what do you. I mean off more camp found out there wrote you about bullet to beijing. You know from your your vast. What no incentive there. There is not a lot out there even if you haven't referenced it before on your other podcasts. There is a website. The harry palmer website run by dutchman case stan. He is This far as i know the the person who's uncovered the most about these two movies a lot in the movie credits and titles. It's portrayed as len dayton's harry palmer ever asked his overland directly. I'm pretty sure he didn't have a huge to do other than probably writing his signature on a contract and say yeah go ahead. He has had some generally in the past and quite challenging experiences with tb produces so. I didn't think he guy so. I'm sure it's it's definitely not something that i don't think len had a creative into indian creative input into which shows. Yeah the only thing i could find was that he said basically if they get michael caine back he put his name on it. Yeah i think that's without without michael. Cain the movie has nothing a to with harry mccain has something in these and that's not saying much so we're getting a clue to listeners that bullet to beijing And sister filming leads. Berg not shining examples of the spy. Maybe he's on. What are you talking about the best tv movies we've covered so yes my view. Yeah i watched them both over the last Three or four days just to refresh myself. I've watched him a few times. No many they are great for me. The word that came to my mind is that you have curiosity value. One is seeing michael. Cain or harry palmer if you will It is sort of down. He'll dress not in sort of a shop sixties Suit walking down soho. But in sort of anorak walking down some groti street in some petersburg so this is sort of interesting sort of angle about seeing a familiar character. In ritu circumstances plus there is also the sort of again a curiosity value in just seeing the fact that they were filming in russia fairly soon after the fall of communism. Isn't it so interesting. The fact that the product that came out with is not that great is by the by so seeing you know what russia was like in nineteen ninety five and it looks pretty grubby and down at hill. Place has somebody but yeah if you were expecting Looks of action and lots of plot twists and great acting. This isn't your maybe. And that's been i am curious. I'm curious if you have any idea because there are you know. Annette adapted len deighton. Harry palmer spy novels like horse underwater. Or whatever like do you have any idea or like what the thinking was behind. Why these two movies bullet to beijing and the one. We're gonna talk about a few minutes. Were entirely original stories. I don't have any particular insight on there. My suspicion is that as with a law things in the movie business. It was probably money opportunity involved. Somebody saw opportunity with. I imagined that feeling in russia in nineteen ninety five is pretty cheap. I mentioned that there was probably a gap in harry. Michael caine schedule There was probably. Mr towers was at a loose end and you know the fates combined to bring them together in petersburg to film these two movies. I suspect there was no more sort of strategic thinking that makes sense from a financial standpoint. I imagine the amount you have to pay at linda in four making the quiz file goal horse. Underwater is far more than the original script lightly touching on his character lightly. They certainly save money there and they save money on the acting as well. Take that back about jason culinary. How they well. I mean is there anything else background. Wise socially No let loose on. Okay well get quick five Thoughts on the film as a whole. Rub your guest. You kind of saw telegraph already but but to beijing. What are your thoughts. Yeah it's as. I said up from. It's not a great movie but you know it's sort of watchable. I didn't when i sat watching a couple of evenings go. I didn't tell my hair out has some interesting elements to it has Michael cord number of sort of english character. Actors michael gambon. Alexey does a possible russian. Jason coterie is not a great actor and he's trying to be nice well trying to be nice. Whoa let's let's be. Frank is wooden as a cyborg in this movie but it has the added attraction of the rather attractive mia sara ferris buehler's girlfriend playing the road natasha and even though he's not on the dvd. I got there is a fleeting appearance by sue. Lloyd the actor who plays gene in the original hip chris far so there are some sort of harry potter fans. There are some interesting little sort of law dates back to the original three movies. This is sort of suggestion. That a jason connery's character. Nikolai is possibly harry. Palmer said of the illegitimate son as say. There's the parents from gene. His love chris fall. So you know and the parties you know half chase movie half sit of heist movie this double-crossing triple crossing the drugs involved. The chinese and north koreans. It's like somebody's taking all the sort of ingredients from my. I spy movie cookbook. Throwing them into a pulp got to add some seasoning. That sort of thing. It's this the elements of there but it doesn't really hang together while rob really put the bullet in beijing cam. What about you okay. So this was one that i kind of dreaded going into because it's like how good is this going to be. When compared against a lot of the film craft that was happening on the first three. But it was a movie that i actually found in some ways a little bit entertaining in terms of reintroducing harry palmer into the nineties because like what is that like and where. This character is at being forced into retirement. We see that he's still got kind of that lady's man kind of vibe. We saw in the chris file. You know he's talking to his Girlfriend su Who's played by. Sue lloyd in the original on the phone which is kind of fun. There's a cut scene that rob alluded to it was not in my version. But i'm gonna have to check it out on youtube. It's in the extended version of the movie. Which i didn't get to see so the movie itself it was boy it was baffling in terms of plotting. I mean there. Are you know as rob alluded. So many double and triple crosses that it was like just head-spinning at a certain point trying to make sense of what was going on I feel like it's the type of movie you wanna whiteboard. When you're watching it just to keep track of all the players and the little red violets being you know it harry's carrying throat what that means and why it's there and who put it there and etc etc so in terms of like a spy plot not great especially when you compare it to the really well honed convoluted you could say story of saint funeral in berlin which is definitely confusing. But i feel like it does. Pay off all make sense. Psychologically within the The world of all these players whereas this one it just felt like doing a lot of those crosses for no reason and with characters who i didn't really even understand who they were like the cia guy. And i also knows this movie had a lot of What i would call cannon films action which cannon films made a lot of kind of be action movies through the eighties and this will be had a ton of those moments where would just cut to a really kind of cheesy shootout where like a character falls onto an electrical wire stuff. Like that sort of thing you'd see in like the death wish sequels but overall like it was not good but i found it somewhat watchable if that makes sense. It's not something. I would recommend anyone really unless you're really into the world of harry palmer but i did find it kind of interesting. I agree you can. You can spend a reasonable ninety minutes with cup of tea into an a snack and just you know it perfectly as you say is watchable what you divide is it. Apart from perhaps harry palmer given that he is played by mccain. You even in. The bad movie is pretty good very few of the characters actually really either understand or care for but it does have some say some sort of strange almost like funny unintentionally elements like you can tell. Basically they had to use for somebody who said we haven't abandoned airport nearby and let's use it because at one point Colonel gretzky used a sort of a pound store version of colonel stock. Says wait a minute. I know somebody in bryansk. And that's they switched to this airfield where they sort of opposite of chasing after this train. And it's it's this bizarre and it has nothing it doesn't really about the plot anyway but it's just like i'm sure it's because they had the use of an airfield for a couple of days you know. I figured it was either that or because they want to work in north by northwest omar. Because you have them on the train and then they get out and they get swooped by a plane. I was like. Oh okay well we got a little bit hitchcock to give the actors that jews. I would not want to be up in the sort of rusty russian bucket that they filmed in. I mean like it was about to fall apart so fair. Choose but what it does for the plot. I'm not shaw. Their positive of it. It's a high store chase move on a on a train so you know this is sort of a certain amount of danger and they both jump pants at one point and and there are. There are some sort of modestly. Good car chases when the cars enlargers moskovitch is rust buckets. It's not like watching the fasten. Fear is you know. His car chases russian style. And so there's a certain company value in that i'm jumping. I think at this point on this film bakary bamba. that's fine. I came to this film knowing that it had a tv film budget. Whatever i can was right in the beginning question to see how harry palm was dealing with the nineties go shafted once again by the five chucked out on the street basically and he goes to walk doing what. He does As a private detective again he was doing a beginning of billion dollar brain. This'll make sense. But the problem with this film stems. And i think it has the same issue as indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull which. I'm sure comparison. Many people have made between these two films but here we. I thought the scene where michael crane crawled out of the fridge after the nuclear bomb was a bit much. It was when they were trying to put jason connery over as an action hero. He was swinging from the vines again. It was just got little much too much. Basically you get carried to this kind of beloved in his own way so indiana and then you put him in a story that's bad and you surround him with characters. He kind of nice from his post at the very interesting. And you just at the beginning of the familiar like oh. We'll scarring indiana jones. And by the end you call white for the film to be finished. There's a lot of scenes of characters like louis for example or the cia guy. Craig dislike running into many and they're like. Oh hey harry. How's it going like. Don't fake that familiarity. I don't know who these people are like. They've referencing a character or they even give you a story or reason as to why it's just like oh. Hey oh hey. What do we get from that. the harry has friends in russia. Clearly what's missing in eastern movies for the first three babies one of the the crucial elements is what you're missing is the by play between harry as a sort of underlying if you will. The sort of lower ranks spy and and his superiors. I mean not least on the russian side at least colonel stock but in terms of major dobie conan. Ross that in the first three movies released the first two where the gold lies in terms of the back and forth party that dialogue and characters. You either of you root for or you're you're turned against input beijing. You don't get a lot of that. I mean the most of Notable puffer act is a russian including nobody. would you get an appearance by bert. Cooke lately of the pink panther movies as the Outrageously stereotypical kim shoe the ultimate buyer of the red death. And he's appearances like you can't get out the fact you can't get out of your mind that it cato. He's not a great actor as is but as general kim soon it promotes a certain sort of maybe loved. Frankly but yet. He's an actor. Though who has presence and i think that's something that's kind of missing lake with the harry palmer films. The previous ones like i always liked. How you'd have. Colonel stock would come back or ross or dobie only gets the one movie. But he's very memorable like they are very fun personalities to watch harry palmer bump up against and i feel like burke clock actually brings that like he actually hasn't sort of personality even if the character is not really there on paper. It's pretty stereotypical. I wanted more of that because a lot of the characters regardless of the talent of the people you know portraying these characters you know you look like you know jason connery as nick or mia. Sara natasha like i have nothing against these two actors. I've seen both be fine and other things but they are not good in this movie like they're playing a very one note. Kind of forgettable characters like mia sara's character is a real like she barely talks but she's she's given nothing she's given hardly anything just say. I think that's one of the challenges that it's as it reflects the fact that this movie that either it was produced either breakneck speed or the buddy didn't stretch too Allowing more time to develop the characters or all these sort of things so the it it has a sort of certain pound shop quality to it. We're on me sr. So i'll just jump on this bit. Whilst i have a chance. But did they have to write a scene where she's about to have sex with michael. Cain i will point out. The michael caine was sixty at the point of filming. This film and mia was late as early phase. Ah to be fair. It is incredibly uncomfortable intentionally. Nails that is the other thing that's filmed at nails is out to do like. That's not right and then you know let's just beat around the bush to me. This feels like a. Let's make out like jason connery. Is harry palmists son. Now let's try and build the world for him to take over with his own films. I guess although it kind of feels like you know you reference the indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull where it's like. Here's mutt williams guys. Can't you wait to see a lake his movies and it's like we're good like the idea of jason connery. Spinoffs was not something that really ever crossed my mind watching these to be fair but the idea of that is brutal. Scott i i fear for the nightmare. You're living in thinking. You might have to watch jason connery films. I hate. We've got another film him in in just a few minutes and the other problem. I have this film so of a nitpicky level. Is michael gamblin's accent. Oh okay off. You can Babbitt accents yeah. I am he. He is dropping in and out of a british accent every sentence. I'm waiting to tell me the harry potter a wizard and then an just take way back into something. About a clue tonia ari ari poverty. Yes i would love to see. Harry palmer play quidditch. Say one again. It's we sort of clutching at straws little here but one of the sort of semi interesting aspects of the film. And the we're going to discuss. The second is the soundtrack Prog rock fans defined that rick wakeman keyboard player of yes. It's a sort of interesting choice but then again when it's rather like the films when you compare it with what went before with these stirring john. Perry sank to it. Chris far they sort of germanic Stool drying of combat alpha's in funeral in berlin. It doesn't quite work whether it's not too bad. It's a little repetitive. But it has a certain level of quite sort of you know atmospheric. But i was surprised to find that you know rick. Wakeman hood from him for a long time in malaysia. We all talked to guide. You mentioned the soundtrack. Because i wrote down a quick note value and i agree. It's very repetitive. But you know. I just felt like it was such a melodramatic sounding soundtrack. It's very very like ease straight to video. That's what it felt like to me. And this is the ninety. So let's got a damning but it totally has that sound you expect to see if you saw a parody of like one thousand nine hundred eighties straight to video action movies. You would see scoreless here a score like this being played over the action because it is. I mean i made work clips of into the actual episode of this podcast just for fun. Because it's like really crazy. I here's the thing like it is a radical departure and that's one thing we've seen in harry palmer films is that they change up the score quite drastically movie to movie. So i can admire franchise for doing that kind of the way that the early mission impossible switched up their directors every movie until they got to part five and i was kind of like the style like the idea of shifting the style of the music for harry palmer but i mean i mean look rick. Wakeman is working with a lot of limitations. I don't think there was a lot of money being thrown his way to get maybe an orchestra or really outside of anything beyond a casio keyboard. So i'm sure he did the best he could but the limitations are very very labor. I wanna move onto the next film so as anyone like final points on this film. Well i would just love to know from the two of you. Did you find the plot beyond convoluted to follow. It was all over the place. And i m used to like you mentioned earlier. The funeral in berlin. it is crazy. double triple twists but it does earn it does lay the groundwork for this film just flips around. Because it's a spy phil. Yeah what about you rub. Yeah i mean. I hear the dish the the movie just for the sake. It's a great movie. It has moment that the the main thing for me is with the plot by the individualized care who got the drugs. Got the weapons you know. It's sort of it. Drags a bit towards savvy. Interesting that a firefight at the end of it in a very sort of russian station car park. You know by that point. You really don't care and a good move. A good movie should make good. Should make you care and want to know what's happening right up to the last minute. Yeah i mean. I did kind of appreciate the muddy locations. That's one thing i liked about the harry palmer was. They would often be kind of gritty. I like that but yeah in terms of this whole plot. I don't think there's anything wrong with the concept of this red was it. The red scare plague be spun by these chemicals I wondered if the mixing chemicals thing was some sort of a it's interesting that Die hard to the benjamins. Comes out the same year as this movie. That's all about mixing chemicals for explosives. I think this one had some fun with that. I don't have a problem with that. It's just in terms of this whole russian nesting doll. The harry's carrying around the character of michael gambon scherzer alex. I could not even follow. How many steps ahead. This man would have to be to get to where he was by. End michael gabon. Great actor but he's he's literally voting this performance in sometimes it absolutely. Yeah it's it's it's a it's a good it's a workable concept in search of a decent script and good director definitely sounds like a kingdom of the crystal skull will ever again i had was was very strange. Voice over at the end between Harry and nick where they set up the name of the company. They work for the next film which i thought was added on last minute thing. I just found out wit. Oh i'm glad you brought that up those really strange that credit sequence of Yeah just like voiceover. I would have to assume that that was an entire scene that they just decided to cut and just played the audio over the credits. It was really weird agree not to mention the actual company name. I did have a question from rob before we move on. Is the tight fit. T shirt company is that actually a dayton reference Isn't it the orders at the one. In the next movie they call it fit soul and this they call it. Tight fits in in the voice over at the end of the film. This right yeah I'm not aware of apartment terrible pun. Aware of what does not should think. They're aware of less shame. It's not funny and it's actually connects to either okay well Quickfire round is bullet to beijing. Making the noc list rob sadly no cab. I know i mean this is a movie that it just doesn't have any of the ambition of the others. it feels very bottom drawer. Compared in terms of storytelling in filmmaking. So no not a chance to nose and for me is also a know it. Yeah you've got michael. Caine i feel like trying a little bit to be harry palmer. It's nice to see him. Playing the character grown fond of. But there's nothing to gain from this film. yeah right well that brings us over to midnight in saint petersburg. Let me read the quick synopsis. For that midnight in saint petersburg harry palmer heads of private investigation business based in moscow. His associates are nikolai. Nick petrov ex. Cia agent craig. An ex kgb. Colonel gretzky they take on the job of finding one hundred grams of weapons-grade plutonium stolen from the russian government that they don't know the identity of the client dumped I well these films with done back to back but cab. Do you have anything different on this one. Not really this one is a different director. It's his name's douglas jackson. Actually an oscar nominee for best short subject in the live action category at one thousand nine hundred seventy oscars for movie called blake. He did a short subject. He is a documentarian also. Worked in tv a lot and a ton of b. movies and tv movies over the course of his career. We've the same writer The producer harry alan towers overseeing this but i i could find little nuggets and maybe rob can confirm this but the idea was like bullet to beijing would be sort of the major movie and then this was sort of the quickey one they also shot as well but the whole idea was a bullet to beijing was going to be the one that would get a theatrical and this one maybe more so just entirely directed towards the not completely sure us prudent correct. My understanding is that. It's what's what we forgot to mention. Both i mean this wound is. It's it's a canadian russian movie. She's very rare combination. This movie midnight. Petersburg was the packers. Were showtime network is one of the growing. This is the era. When cable tv in north america was was growing pace and i think this was there sort of a. I guess the idea was if the movie did world. Have something else to show on the cable network. So it's like say there is. I read in a couple of books as a suggestion that basic this was made out of all this stuff that was under cutting room floor. I don't think it's as quite as simple as that but clearly they were made notice back to back but probably made at the same time. Because there's a lot of the. I think one or two extras look familiar. This clearly some of the the same sort of broad group of actors. Want i feel the same location so it's It has all the hallmarks of a sort of something that the accountants on the film recommended. Yeah it said you have the same sets as well like you say. The ball is definitely the same baugh in by films. Yeah a lot of crossover. The same dancers. Oh probably ya and you know this will be in terms of its release Showed up on home video in as like the other one. Uk europe japan In ninety six and then showed on tv in north america in nineteen ninety eight so definitely delayed their again. But that's really about it in terms of the behind the scenes just this was kind of the minor. Production tacked on that one. And i think that's very telling when you look at the run time you know the first ones like an hour forty and this one's like one twenty five or something thankfully Dishes understand. We're not talking about to oscar winning movies here too. I actually preferred midnight in some petersburg really because essentially what the direct produces the don dallas remade essentially the same field. Because it's a sort of another sort of a shot in the same location. The same cast is another spike lee. J this time it's plutonium rather than sort of a weapon somebody stealing. Somebody's sitting up deal. When there's going to be a few shootout. So you know the two variations of that cliche. I sort of thought this was the sunny movie. Oh that's not saying much but it's slightly better interesting. That's fascinating i. I mean. I'm not gonna hide i feel about is who am i if no one has any background ryan to while souls. Yeah go ahead answer. This film feels like exactly. How i've read about is the offcuts. Is that second in command film. Not the actual anchorman commentary. But the one that came with the dvd's like an hour and a half of clippings from the film they just piece together with voice over work. All right I forget what it's cold. And i genuinely struggled because this won't fell even less like it was to do with harry palmer and more to do with while the fit sole agency and by by extension Jason connery's character of nick. I could give a monkey's i also really honed. In on the fact like you could tell that this one was the more the bargain basement of the two because just in terms of the plotting. It's incredibly basic where you have this kidnapping of Nick's girlfriend tatyana and then also plutonium it's just like i could figure out how these things were linked almost immediately and the movie didn't try to pull the rug out for me like the previous one like the. It really felt like with a bullet to beijing. At least trying to make a you know really Heavily encrypted spy film whereas this one they were just like we got these actors What's what's the macguffin. Plutonium sounds good. Let's just run with that. And i can kind of see where rob's coming from though in terms of just like its breezy. It's ninety minutes. You kind of get till like live in this world a little more than i did kind of enjoy because these movies were shot back to back you have all the same supporting characters popping up throughout and i just appreciated getting to revel in sort of the harry palmer world a little bit just because a lot of the other movies they would just drop characters movie to movie and here. We had them all back. Louise's back the russian mafia do the cia agent. They're all back. And i kind of enjoy that aspect but in terms of the plotting i mean by the time. They wound up at that rickety looking film studio which i couldn't help but wonder if that was the film studio mike okay. Complaining about the toilets in. I was suspended out. No doubt i think it was. I think it was. Yeah that was where i just was like. Okay we're really in the dregs here. People that's quite metro at that point. Isn't it it is yeah. Yeah i don't disagree with the point. Said he the race. Like say what. I say it says i prefer the fullness early marginally better answer very thin margin but i think this a couple of things is a rebate almost the same it has its moments and a carry palmer so harry palmer but i think in this film. He's he's even more sort of looks even more after shape and disheveled within the first median. Age if your member think back to the first three films how stylish demichele counter was would carry was originally the this second movie. He wears a particularly terrible anorak. Which no no. No leading man should ever weren't anorak movie. I don't even know what an anorak is to be fair. North merrick goon Sort of and you call yourself a car of a spy podcast iraqis so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed. I'm crawling under my desk right now. The big they wed like fox. Mulder has on every suit trenchcoat shore. Okay a by extension yet kind of that. But yeah do okay. I'm not a stylish fellow it should be fair. Can confirm neither is harry palmer. This man i mean there are a couple of sort of things that they made me. She love and i guess it in a serious movie. That's probably not a good sign but you know there were two things down one of which is very early in the movie. There's a new hero on the screen. Which is a dog Harry in the first early scenes harry palmer receives a what looks like a very unthreatening letter which they run a geiger counter on realize some sort of bomb go figure throws out the window. It's picked up by a dog who take down a dark alley. Two sexes leads huge explosion as an audience. You think oh my god. The poor dog is dead and then three seconds later the dog emerges unscathed. It's unintentionally funny but that was sort of bit of levity otherwise quiet down maybe and the other thing i enjoyed about this movie and such. I wrote it down to bring to this discussion. This is one of the again unintentionally funny but also memorable lines of dialogue listened in a movie which is when harry is lifted on the streets by couple of thugs and thrown into the back of his zil limousine. And i think it's a yuri is in the back of the limousine and he says the immortal line. Don't squash him up an honors. Now that in itself is worth watching the movie for because to hear honeypot. The great sir. Michael caine as harry ponce squash mop and onus is You know. I wrote it down. It was worth writing down. I think throat both of these movies. He throws a lot of like. Oh bloody hell and you know that sort of thing but to hear him actually say a line like that. Maybe laugh as for the dog. Seen i believe me. I laughed at that dog seat. I thought it was hilarious. But not for necessarily the right reasons. But i did wonder in the world of harry palmer which is more cynical world than say the bond franchise i feel like the dog should have blown up not that i'm not that i want to be the guy. This is the hill. I'm gonna die on his killing animals on screen but to me. That seems more like the pessimistic world view of harry palmer that something like this would happen and then you get this like. He had a rough day. Sure yes god yes yes But yeah like. I just feel like a lot of the more hollywood films. Of course the dog is going to survive. but in a harry palmer world. I feel like it. Is that sort of downbeat. Nothing really good ever happens kinda world so it kind of made sense to me when it happened and then when they check it out on it i said okay. Well fair enough. I guess it's worth noting that don't give one of the better performances through. It's very true. I wanted to know it down. Well two things are going down. Firstly is this won't feel is kind of like a buddy cop story with harian nick. Yeah i kinda like that. they had. I'm not gonna say they've got good dialogue shirt don't but the two of them seem to like each other like there's a little bit of a breezy chemistry there i. It's not exactly the stuff of legends. It's not riggs and murtaugh in lethal weapon or something but it was pleasant enough that i wished we got more of it because they did separate them at a certain point and i think the movie suffers for that of it. Yeah i would like to have seen a bit more of that. I i do not want to see the jason culinary spinoff but having them together onscreen with with michael cain playing the boss and going out and doing some missions. I could have maybe watch that. Maybe sure and you got the team there to the cia craig in You know the russian guy. I think you've got something. Yeah at your the other thing. I know and this really does sort of bring it home that this is the direct to vhs dvd spinoff film the last bit drake's that lifestyle brought together is it hasn't even got mia sara in it. No we've got tabby anna in this one right. So i guess that's the female lead being brought over for this one but like she was men cost us one and she disappears no mention. Jesus say interesting. In inverted commas female character in the second movie is journalist brandy that no. That's brand new will an eye overrun with the wall but again itching it. It's an interesting spy cliche. Interesting journalists to he's got the ear to the ground but what her character is not particularly. Well developed enough. What report home to me quite. How's it a little thought. They gave to her counter. Eventually spoiling and eventually betrays henry palmer is when She she's tasked with getting harry poverty sort of meet up. This is why the midnight it's and petersburg comes in here. There's a day over. The paternity was going down by friday midnight. She's charged with getting harry palmer to the location to to be shot or killed at least a method is. There's armed guards at the front of this. Was private security guards. The front of this movie theater story film. She and her solution is that she looks. Harry rushes the press. Here's the answer. She has a press badge. They drive up to the draw up to the gate with the armed guard. Flashes her press card credentials. Yeah he up straight away. No no questions asked that struck me as most preposterous Part of the film. It's just another example. Of where i suppose with a little bit of thought and attention that sort of type of character kudos. The something new journalists always interesting characters to portray him play but they all three minutes with courage. I think well he's a notion and baby. This is maybe where all problems of the film comes from. Apart from every other problem is the we expect more from a harry palmer story but this is so you know base level not Thought put into it that way. Not only bored by but we'll just disappointed. I agree. I think there's a do it. Let's agree to which they extending your point you could. What does the case to be made for saying. Does it actually smerch the reputation of the karen to i. Don't think so the end because most people have seen this but it's it's rather likes it of growing up having a favorite uncle when you're not going to see him and he should've chevron living in a hovel with sort of cooking one ring stove disappointing and rather slightly said stop stops up describing our futures future arabs describing my apartment right now you tend to camera that makes sense the shame the shame i just wanted to touch on brandy for a second the reporter character which is one of my favorite cliches especially in this era. I wonder if this is the ninja turtles Effect but it's you have this journal that runs around and you never see them actually doing any work whatsoever. They're never taking notes. They're never pulling tape recorders but they just keep running around. Saying i gotta get a story. I gotta get a story. It's like okay like what is it. What does this woman's beat. It would only be leslie shade if he wore a trilby hat with the word press tucked into the. Oh my god. I would've loved. That would've been amazing. Yeah it just kind of made me laugh at the fact that she is Evil in the end. It's like okay. I guess i was going to say though as to. Maybe why sarah wasn't brought back. I don't know if they would be able to afford her quite honestly. Because i think the the two actresses who show up in the second part tenure jackson and michelle burke. I don't think they would be as expensive. As a mia. Sara would be so that was probably just it. I could probably guarantee that. Yeah well okay. Any final in the film. I haven't got anything myself. I have one major one. There is no climax to this movie. We get to the scene in the movie studios basically they all duck out the back door and then it cuts to them at the barbecue. Everyone was arrested. Look what exactly is not the great. It's not it's a thrilling ending. I found myself like just scratching my confused as to how we got to that point. 'cause i admit that point. I was already a bitcoin. Like wasn't joined. The film was not invested and then they got this so of tents marvin and then ran the ball drinking voca. Did i fall asleep again. Let won't legacy. I didn't yeah. It felt like the ending of a tv show where they're all okay. Everyone involved arrested. And it's like what like even the michael gambon character who we've been following for two movies like this character doesn't get any sort of ending. We just get him slamming phone down. It felt like the sort of thing where you go. Everyone's arrested in the next week. Alex could be out on bail causing trouble all over again. Very very scooby doo. Yeah there's a good line. i think. The kind of sums up this movie though where they're at the circus and michael caine says the spy games a lot like the circus. Nothing is what it seems. And it's usually worse. You should let this episode with that. I know right now. I will point out. This film has one of the budget looking casinos. I've ever seen in my life Yeah i knew couple that was bad. It was you know you Way to see. Michael caine in a film like this. If you gonna fill yeah you can really see the downgrade in terms of just the money to be spent on the first one versus the second. So you know you could tell. They love their travelogue shots. Though because the entire credits were played out over these like loving shots of a russian scenery. So those kinda nice as cheap nep. It was well. That's it for me camp. I think that sums me up as well for Midnight saint petersburg rope. I have nothing else to add other than. It's been a an enjoyable discussion about to not so enjoyable but sort of interesting movies. Well let's let's wrap it up and pivot and something slightly more interesting may nine cents is burg knock list rope is enough calf yet a note. It doesn't need to be any more complex than that. It was gonna be a bit of an oscar that any of these made it. We said no funeral. In berlin or two billion dollar brain funds as such the dossier on bullet to beijing and midnight in saint petersburg are closed and neither the making the noc list but before we wrap up the episode. Yeah this is. The second of our franchises have come to a close so far. So i think we've got the lendvai expert with us. I wanna take a minute to look back at these five films. For colon loss showrooms and really take a minute to think about authorize on the film's altogether so y- cam why you us off. Well i just want to know from rob you know when he looks at this collection of five films does the harry potter franchise feel like one that they figured out how. Where did they kind of go wrong. You think well it probably had the potential for maybe one i mean certainly they never filmed although there was some early disgusted about it. They never filmed horse underwater which given its got submarines and cocaine and heroin and sort of you know Beautiful beautiful scenery. Portugal had the potential. Of maybe i think maybe with the three film less instead of the three films as a citigroup over appeared. If he is i think they i like all three of them. Indeed denied been in on the brain sunday. I think Funeral biden is the best of the three from my view. I think probably just ran out of steam little bit. Because i think they're so tied up in the harry palmer counter is so century linked to Michael cain that had been scraped foaming one of the other like an expensive place to die baps one of the other novels extensively featuring the same unnamed spy hurry if mccain wasn't on board as i say i think it's very difficult for the viewing public i guess to sort of paps maybe to connect with a new version of harry palm. Of course they've done it with bond in the sense with six is now six or seven. Different phone nikes. I'm not sure whether that would have been the case. If there had been further harry palmer movies. Well here's a question. Was james bond in many ways the enemy to a harry palmer franchise because harry saltzman obviously launches the up. Chris file and produces the first three. But when you look at like a lot of the spy movies that are popular in the sixties it steph like the flint movies. The matt helm films thinks that are taking the more fun you know escapist elements of james bond and it feels like the public was really latching onto those when i look at the crystal movie i really love. I thought the episode was fantastic. I like funeral in berlin a lot. I wasn't as big on billion dollar brain but nonetheless. Like they have a very specific that i really enjoy. And i'm just wondering like if harry palmer was almost that franchise it would have been maybe a little more successful. Had it may be started in the seventies which is more of an era for that sort of you know. Gritty spy storytelling. It's a fair point discussion. I think these are all hypotheticals. Who knows what harry. If a harry's announcement had had more more funding for a fourth movie he knows. But i mean one observation always had this is i think it's very difficult to think about the character how he palmer but also to think about the movies and books outside the era in which they written the sixties. I think for me the nothing in a good way. They're very tight to that era. I think the character of harry palmer says of his mannerisms his what would now be termed programmatic approach to women is very sixties and and it fits that era and the age at which michael came was when he was playing the cat Sort of fits it all comes together instead of intense pairs at the two to three years of filmmaking where the character exploded maybe. Let's say there's a degree to which as these two movies we've discussed shows is maybe there's a. Everything has a lifespan. Well i mean it's interesting though. Because they are making ape. Chris file reboot. They are bringing up. Chris file back to tv. And i'm i'll be very curious to see if it's a period piece or if they just try to updated entirely but i do think i mean there's a lot of wealth material In you know. Inland dayton's novels. As well to the character of harry palmer the unnamed protagonist in the novels It feels like there's a lot there it just hasn't quite maybe struck the way it should what you read. The currently filming now in liverpool in england is one of the locations for just doubling for london. Essentially i guess in new hip crossfire movie being produced for itv's which is a commercial main commercial channel in uk It is being filmed in a period. It is being said in the sixties seeking updated. Go make it up to date in that sense. I i i'm optimistic. I think it's going to be the key thing with with with any sort of readopt adaptation of an existing really or series is that you're gonna go into it with an open mind clearly mccain is not playing harry palmer in series to peaky blinders. He looks about sixteen but he's apparently thirty. Two if he if he gives a performance if he gets there aren't direct to he can make his own. I mean he still wearing glasses. Which is you know if that wasn't the case. I would probably not want you. There's a key but you know he's got opportunities. A carve is named this audience that they will be pitching that tv series too. Probably hasn't heard or watched harry potter movie. So if they can get it right if they can get the glamour at sixty. Getting sort of. The company accents the class enemy to it if they can get sufficiently glamorous after the has international appeal. because i'm sure you era of streaming there will certainly be an international market for a period spy drama which i guess what it will become now. I'm needs to be optimistic. They say never go back with. Perhaps it's case going back the going in a different way to the same different direction from the same starting point because we think about six one episodes something like that which obviously gives them much more time for character development for somebody should've the snappy dialogue and some of the of the office of the elements of bureaucracy and of office relationships the particularly harry and gene really important. The first movie. So i'm optimistic. I'm a. I'm looking forward to actually as someone who wasn't a big fan of the responsibility. Strange thing to admit but i just you know there's this this section of the james bond community Under different franchise a really cool for james bond to get back to the fifties and sixties where inflaming basis books at because just that vibe of the time. The fun factor. Everything's so grim dog now with with low of media and james bond films of one of those so. I'm quite interested to see what it does going back. I certainly would not have wanted them to try that yet. Chris file for now. I think that would have been a disaster. And i think having six one hour movies television has changed now. It's far more cinematic. I think they've really could knock out. The paul and i think i sound like problems with it was file was actually sue cinematography. Things that as not not like michael caines choices. I really liked his portrayal of harry. Some hoping they managed to keep that that going in this one well. I'm actually curious. This is a question for raw. Because i think he's the person answer this one when we look at james bond what. The general audience considers to be james bond. A lot of that comes obviously from. Sean connery inherited the crown. After you know. Roger moore pierce brosnan daniel craig. How much based on both the movies and the The books how much of the personality of the harry palmer character is derived from the films. In like michael keaton's performance versus the novels I think Up to three films Certainly the canes performance is pretty close is not example is pretty close to the unnamed spy as is portrayed in the books i mean there's a comparable abuse things were or where you know in the film. I in the books. Rather the unnamed spy is from burnley which is in the north of england rounded. Mccade who's come is the most company of companies and for those of you international listeners. A cockney is somebody from sort of the rougher parts of london. Let's put it that way but you know into. I think what this come across in both in the film. It's very. I think central to. What's in the movies is the sense in which you have a clash of the old guard. The bureaucrats high-ups in w cpa and given that this was happening in the sixties era of the beatles and flower power women's olympic. Such you have the interesting juxtaposition of that sort of ex-colonial sort administrator era a class of people and sort of young upstarts of which the names point as a harry palmer as became is a great example. Is i think it's pretty close. And hopefully like you say. I think in this new tv series. I'm hopeful that law that sort of spark sparking spiciness of the sixties fashion lighting. The cars all their should've elements I think again kwan confidently. It's it has hasn't the key thing is is the book and that's why the film was accessible book. It's quite complicated. But it has a lot in. And i think there's law in between the lines intensities thought of the characters the characterizations relationships if they can bring that across in the tv series. I think they should have a hit on mission. I'll ask questions up to solve slutty wraps up you. Do you think that. I mean cam Star fans apart from spy movies and for a very long time stock francis with long suffering. There was no more star trek. It was basically a dead property and now so it's been revived somewhat. Best questions that. But we won't get into it if the it the show hadn't of been pitched Happened would you have been happy with how lens work had been brought to the screen with these five films insensitive. This particular county. Yeah i think on the whole I like them. I think a lot of people little everyone's cup of tea. But i think harry palmer is a useful addition to the cannon in terms of spy fiction as portrayed in the movies and on tv what it turns out actually lens body of work over all the key thing for me is still. We're still waiting six years after it was announced his if they do eventually get off the ground the at up of game set match for which the company clark will films still holding the rights. But it's absolutely nothing with them if they get that right. Because i actually. I think the two spies central to lynn dayton's over his body of work opposite of fifty years. I think bernard sampson is the stronger character. And the strongest of spy archetype. Nikola can get that right build on the sort of mixed legacy the nine thousand nine hundred tv series which has never been released commercially. Not for another discussion. Perhaps but if they can get that right then i think you know as a writer as a creator. I think that there will be a great body of work to represent the books me a. We've enjoyed okay. One more question candy go any go ahead scott last question then if you were to recommend one harry palmer film and one lend book to new people. New to spy films on new to lender into work. What once would you guy for. I know of funeral balloons. Your favorite films but we're looking more from an entry viewpoint because of all this in his mind that was seen eighty films the stage start at the beginning. I think the chris fall absolutely is a great movie. And i think as an introduction to the character is an introduction to the style of the movie and the characters and this is a great start in terms of books i would appoint a he. The new new leaders in the direction of burlingame. Because i think that's the start of a ten book policy with one of the great set of spy fiction. Count bernard sampson so my recommendations. Very nice very nice now scott. I have a question for you. Now that we've wrapped up. Harry palmer and i think it's been a really fun journey in one. When i picked this franchise. I didn't realize how interesting journey it would be. I had heard of the chris file. But i didn't really know anything beyond that and i think it's been really interesting. Podcasting just going over these films because they are so different from one another with the exclusion of the last two that we covered this episode. But how do you rank these films. Now that we've kind of wrapped up harry palmer. Wow okay to wanna guy from west to best sure okay. it's almost diminishing returns me. I would say it's probably lost place. Midnight is bug very quickly followed up with bullet to beijing. I would thin in third place billion dollar brain second place and this is where the people come off to me is. I would still put it chris. File it's Films that made the noc list of the five films bought for me. I found few in berlin slightly more interesting and more approachable for me right right. Well you for me. It's the diminishing returns literally runs. You know five to one like there's there's no bouncing around the way there was with men in black to me. The weakest is midnight in saint petersburg and we go right backwards to the chris. File being my favorite of the group at number one. I mean there is a reason to. I have the chris file on blu. Ray is fantastic. I just this is basically. I didn't like but i can still appreciate the. I don't think that's a very good blu. Ray release of funeral bulletin. There is a blue here in north america. I believe I don't own it but it is believed we do have one. Okay i how would you. Would you rank them. Rub your classes to me. Oh cost to camp Cam i think when. I think that about wraps up our harry palmer bullet to beijing midnight in saint petersburg triple bill basically of discussion. But i really to thank you for coming on the show clearly more educated than both of us combined especially about linda in just in general. I'm jenny thank you for joining us. Very kind of you gentlemen. It's been up lost. I'm aware can the listeners. Find more from yourself. well The website i run for ten years is dayton dossier dot net and if you facebook and twitter still quick serve under that title and you'll find me and a small community about the spy fiction fans and i would really recommend anyone. Who's enjoyed discovering. The up chris file perhaps through this podcast or wants to the dive. Into dayton's work. Full along with the dayton dossier because i think it will really inform your journey and there's a lot of fun little nuggets of information there that will enrich the experience. I mean i sat in the us. If in my research for the film the previous ones so it is to go to for linda instead. I tip my hat to europe and it's very thinking now before we talk about what we're doing next week. I want to throw to a quick message from the infectious groove podcast. He ago looking for a new podcast. Check out the infectious grooves podcast. My name is ross. And i host the show along with michelle and kyle every monday. The three of us bring you music news. Tell you jamie gems so you'll always have new music to check out the infectious grooves. Podcast discusses music from nearly every decade general while openly displaying. Our passion for music. Do you need to hear on top of that. We have a thought provoking main topic of discussion every week. 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The War On Morons Episode 77 - Day of the Braindead

The War on Morons

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The War On Morons Episode 77 - Day of the Braindead

"It seems like they're where you turn. Every single day they invade the headlines and the other half we criminal with half-baked scheme. I met a social media simpleton going viral another florida man stretching the bounds of stupidity over another temperature and that's not even the worst from the empty talking heads in the cable news channels to humulus hats in hollywood to the pea brain politicians in the puppet strings everywhere. You look. there's another idiot telling you how to live your life more. Joe the man without a brain. I'll have to just circle back with joe biden much. Why as sofi route so strong. so good so irreverent. Would you don't miss and took a trip to the north pole. I went there and vaccinated santa claus myself now. People won't get sick. It's ninety percent effective and just kinda saw the reason that my friend. Jamal dad lives in jail right berry. How old black. People in america's daddy's live in jail done my and keeping warm. Look sissy will jian. And lisa have had enough all with clever satire madcap humor and the craziest cast of characters in podcasting landing up and taking aim at the world of stupidity every single week because it is time to go to war though war on more raw s tuesday. Twenty twenty twenty one a niches episode. Seventy seven of the wall of what light. I was just doing it as trying to thing. Okay all right going. Land lover radio here. I don't know what i thought i was trying to do. Like a michael caine was like michael caine. Oh i heard pirate. Today is tuesday. April twenty of twenty twenty one and this is episode. Seventy seven of the war on morons. I'm jay and i haven't easter and welcome to the show where we laugh at dumb ass. So you don't have to. But you still working. In on the tagline we'll get there anyway though Yes four twenty man so yeah like a basically data of the dumb ass. Yeah look these days. I can't even blame him. Look without world right now. Look out side. I mean what's going on. If you're you're probably going to need to be at this rate if you're not light one up emulating something else idea. Feel the warmth in the air you know not not from everybody sparking up. A fatty matt from the mid april sunshine got now From the blazing fires set by the peaceful protesters burning down your neighborhood because it's officially riot season in moron america holly luhya earlier than usual this year. You know i thought. Summer didn't come in minnesota until after the show. Trials were over but they just had to go instead of just coincidence right. Yeah remember when minneapolis was nice. Place i got. I always free over like you know. Company holds a low thirty. That's not nice. I'm sorry i didn't say. Remember when minneapolis was a cold A warm place remember. Minneapolis was a nice place. Like how could anybody be happy there. That's the whole thing. It's minnesota nice. They printed on t shirts on coffee mug. They have to act nice because they're all serial killers because they all get frozen in the winter. Maybe i don't know i. I think it used to be a really really nice. But now it's like an even colder detroit with less jobs more crime in violent riots. Every single day sounds like paradise. You know i mean but of course i mean. It's not surprising that it's worse than detroit. I mean detroit least has robocop minnesota. I don't know what they have. But they're police keep killing people so you know. That's that's really lovely. Even robocup wasn't exactly unitarian. He got shit done he. He had a decent budget. I'd say like He was not. He was not minnesota or ice or whatever but these minnesota idiots. Jesus they're always trying to defend their police neon put in these identity quotas. They make him take like sociology courses. Or whatever and then they wonder why all the competent cops quit the force that somehow. That's never the democrats fall right. I mean they've only held every political office in the state for decades later that they were the only state voted against reagan but they act like donald trump personally ordered the execution of that Innocent sweet peaceful young man was hit. He's clearly not doing anything wrong. You know you know. I mean. I've seen a lot of people talking about the video of this one but it's not going viral. Pretty sure it's already been grab from youtube. Seen it right now. It came back very it. Looks like if yes me you know. It looks like a loss seen from reno nine one one guy. There's a couple of bumbling idiot cops and a dumb ass crook. Who gets himself shot. There's so there's a black officer there. They probably don't talk about that on on. Cnn the black officer. He doesn't get the handcuffs on this guy right so then the guy tries to break away in. I'm laughing because it's okay. Give us a piece of fat. And he was his oral is a he breaks out of the handcuffs and he just tries to jump back in his car. And then the female cop guessing maybe another affirmative action hire can be cops. This woman shouldn't be okay. Well that affair. She gets so flustered. she thinks she's pull their tasers. And it's not just like up. Who's got my taser. Like teaser teaser. Keizer i got like danger here. I'm gonna take you you motherfucker. She says it like fifteen times and she turns out. It's not it's not a tasers it's like a it's a real gun. He's dead like if you person are you that you take your chances with a taser like somebody's like screaming at you. I'm gonna taste you motherfucker and you're like well. It could be really bad if you're a career criminal that you know you make your living robbing women at gunpoint. Maybe he's been teased a few times like wherever than her that much. But i mean she looked like deputy weigel from reno nine one one but ironically without the racism. I mean if trudy weigel had been nearly i mean. I'm just saying it'd be some n. bombs on that body cam all right just saying all right this. This is the story that caused the another race riot. All because i tried to run on warren and they couldn't wait. I mean they were a race riot anyway. They all knew they're going to have a race right in any way a week later like it was all circled on the calendar. But they're just like i mean. I guess everybody's appalling here guy. These stupid cops couldn't just take this moron criminal end without killing him. Yeah that's true. I mean how you the same county. Fuck up the hand cuffs Sorry that's not racism that's just plain stupidity. Yeah don okay like this ridiculous. I don't know why they always going to be racing of all i mean. Yeah the guy the he. He's the minority. Just like top serb minority. But this is this ridiculous. When did the rules change. I thought he was pretty common knowledge. Whether you're white lack something else you know if you try to fight off the cops and jumping your card or run away. You might happen no matter what color you are right. I thought everybody played grand theft auto grownup. I'm pretty sure this is a good way to get wasted. Wasting they did do that. I mean you know. Gte five. They don't send out a few hundred like npc's to burn down los santos if you lose a shootout the cost. There's not like a little digitally rendered. Cnn reporters down. They're telling everybody at san. Andreas said you want it. To be supreme court justice when you grow up you know before we started shooting meth in doing all and robin limited gunpoint for the rent money knew i mean all these years to censorship. Crowd should have been encouraging kids to play violent video games. Maybe native learned the lesson. That's right risk of say right here. Racism didn't kill. george. Floyd didn't kill whatever this other kid's name was. Racism didn't kill lil homicide and derek. Chauvin didn't kill these guys. Chinese federal didn't kill these guys here at the war on morons specifically me j i blame tipper gore or the my pillow guy. What michael yeah speaking of censorship. Did you see the latest venture. he god it you. I'm glad you brought. That was so fucking cringe. Really the free speech platform except the only biblically approved speech. Yeah i mean technically. I think he's calling it a judeo christian social media platform like what i get the note pornography roy. I didn't even okay. Yeah you know. We don't need to go on social media pornography. i think he lost me at the no profanity. Thank you lost the now Enforce it but how is he gonna enforce no lying. You know you're gonna crack editor former crack. I mean i think people are lying about every goddamn thing. He'll just from the frigate laugh. I can see it as just sitting there. I don't. I don't believe what you're saying there because you i mean honestly though it's it's pretty hilarious. The the rules that he's come up with this. I mean i have to wonder if when you log in for the first time you know you sign terms and conditions. I wonder if instead of having like a long serving conditions that everyone scrolls past. Click through if they'll just have a cross stitch from his dan that says no fussing no cussing a note off back or will stone you. Yeah as so says the lord. It's it's right there in deuteronomy. Thirteen ten if you'll put fake news on the internet that my friend donald trump dayton actually win four hundred ten electoral votes before the chinese hackers dominion servers in germany. We're going still you to death. That's what he's gonna say. You now just goes to show some people. Maybe they just shouldn't stop smoking. Crack your earphones mike. Lindell get back on a out via back to the riots back to the rights. They're burning down half the country again and it's all back in minnesota into this going twelve fair but at least on the pride side. That woman from lack lives matter can go by her wife another house now. Yes thank god. Though the one black life that she's actually day you are everybody else's neighborhoods on fire right. Everybody else's businesses are getting looting night critical. Maybe they'll even get shot but hey donations are up. I mean high for that longer. Don't eat a couple hundred million right before their store got looted and destroyed doesn't matter doesn't matter it's all like a giant corporate insurance. This point prize driving's fraud. They all want to remodel their stores. And they're like black lives matter they'll go and tear it down and we'll get the insurance money to rebuild a brand new storefronts beacon a robocop. I think that was. I think that was in robocop. But i mean yeah i mean the blm check tune patrisse cullors or whatever she got paid. You know. it's like a wonderful life. Every time everytime a bell rings an angel gets its wing every time a crackhead get shot by the cops a marxist. Lesbian gets another mansion. It's hard isn't it folks. You know the good news is we did finally figure out where although it's donations rents. I feel like i say this all the time. But we're in the wrong business. I should've been grafters. Absolutely you know we should have been running a billion dollar criminal organization like. I'm sure that works out really well. It does if you're back by the illegitimate you know illegitimate federal government. Well that that would help. Besides you know honestly. I couldn't her much easier way race so quick money. No rioting needed okay. We're gonna start selling the federal now. I could you see what they're doing in new york. Yeah they're moving to florida well. Besides that they're actually cutting fifteen thousand dollar checks for legal immigrants. What now. That's what. I call a stimulus folks for one. Where the fuck the new york get fifteen thousand dollars at all but they just got out of debt From us from the rest of the trying to get back in it now they know how to do all right. Well new plan. We're going to get a coyotes. Hey we're gonna go to mexico myrtle to mexico and then we're mystique beck in. That's it illegal immigrants. Now the plan will get a literally or something. Yeah coon hang out for a while senior frogs and it'll be we'll save money on airfare. We'll get a one way ticket and will get some cuomo bucks work at some hiking in on the way back to you. Know you wanna make your tax money work for you folks. You wanna protect your future go to mexico and you know comeback and that could actually work i mean you know. What are they gonna do. Ask for my papers. I don't know stinking papers. Give me my new sasha. Id card debit anyways. More than enough. Preamble thanks everybody for tuning in to another exciting episode. Wm either on the video feed of course it. Tv dot gov dot com or begrudgingly. You're on youtube. Thanks for tuning a youtube crab on her youtube. Search us out specifically. Yeah when they had the find. This track is doing it. I'm say i have no. We got a lot more youtube views last week than we had in the last month. So thank you. I don't know where people came from. Of course big thanks to the audio listeners. At the podcast feed hami media. Group dot five dot com. We got a hell of a broadcast guys. Tonight got fake racism fake crime fake news organizations pretty much. Fake everything now. It's hey but it's real. These are unfortunately at line. And it's going to be real fun show and if you wanna be part of it we want you to be a part of the show too so give us. A cau- are hotline. Is eight one three nine six nine zero nine nine or email us at the war on morons gmail.com or finally best of all. Leave a comment in the chat in. Now it's time for the stack of stupidity. You all right. Let's start things off tonight with the most pressing item of the day because with blue cities on fire from coast to coast. Somebody has to come up with the solution that we're he'll america and insteps congresswoman were league. Yes the squad member with a scowl capable of distilling plant tap water. I can feel the love already. I mean is it just me or does every single one of these leftists in congress of face like halloween masks. Okay well that sada's she did make the more on headlines for saying law enforcement should be banned. There's one solution i guess. Kinda the sinoe evil approach her direct quotas that policing in our country is inherently an intentionally racist. and that policing and incarceration can't be reformed. I think this would be a good place to point out. Mitt rashida to lead represents detroit michigan. Which has the second highest violent crime rate in the entire country. Nan which has lost sixty percent of its population since her party to go over the city ends a lot of people. Your point is the will. I'll even inspiring leader. Yes choosing sparking people. Get the fuck out that warzone hoping. She didn't say where the hope and change has to come from but she's part of the hope and change if i could change my address ragged. That's how change and you don't think we should take those ideas. When all i'm saying is that when robo cop does show up having these people will get. They're going to get what they fucking deserve. they'll call them racists to you. I mean he's a isn't he. He's a cyborg out but he but he yeah he was a white cop before they before they made him into a rogue ops out robot clan. What if what if. That's what they do with derek chauvin. What if that outside of the box you know like fairly like how can you satisfy him with this verdict. 'cause i mean everybody. He didn't kill the guy right right But like all those people and all people minnesota they're not gonna accept anything but basically drawing and quartering right. What if they're like all right. Let dare we're gonna turn you fucking cyborg. We're gonna make robocop minnesota cops can't get it done. I mean i'm pretty sure. That's like against the geneva convention. The convention i wanna see robo derek. Chauvin i wanna see him. Takeover minneapolis policing out a whole stop. Creep. don't pass that fake twenty year. The have to rewrite his line. It'll be like white devil. Speaking of racism have privilege. But he's only going to go after the the in the course of soda wouldn't any like he can't see color he literally. He can't see people without with melanin in there. He just got around can laser him. All the white people minnesota. We used to have a lot of scandinavian people here. It's everybody's talking to clicks now. Isn't derek bro. Derek chauvin literally ethnically cleansed minnesota. He murdered every white person guy but he had the squats happy. Let's other stories. So smooth on that some fucking image so anyway the director of the cdc. She might have come out with even dumber statement. What we just did well last week. She called racism a serious public health threat. Racism pump the how. Maybe it's like a mental health. Read i mean these lunatics. Think everything in the world racist more or less ida. I the other day that cheeses racist. Jeez mets while. I'm just going to read this statement from because it really is unbelievable so so she said to build a healthier america for all we must confront the systems in policies that have resulted in the generational injustice that has given rise to racial and ethnic health inequities numb and of course she was talking about cove and of course yeah so she continues as the covid. Nineteen pandemic continues to disproportionately plague lacking brown communities. It's clear that collective action from all stakeholders is needed to dismantle systemic racism and confront embed advance equity across our healthcare system. None of that makes any fucking sense. It doesn't put you know what you know what you know what makes even less sense. These people think healthcare is racist when there is considering the much obvious. Layton tracked healthcare in america. Sucks it sucks and it needs to be fixed raise if you get crappy health care from a doctor or hospital and your person you're can crappy healthcare chris. You're lack you're getting crappy healthcare The doctors spital psych. Everyone's under staff. Obviously the solution is more communism that that'll make everything. Better will make a better who will have excellent healthcare. Oh yes big solution you don't. Maybe i'm just spitballing here. But at this actually true right if you could actually prove this. These folks shouldn't have spent half the year telling people the only time they didn't have stay on lockdown for kobe. Nineteen wants to go to like ten thousand strong black lives matter protests Logical never get that. I know well all right. Fear not america because now at least you can be assured the right people are stepping up to do their part to fight disease of racism. That's right the girl. Scouts are stepping in the way the girl scouts. Yes other fuck. Do they still exist. You mean i mean. That's i'm just gonna say that's really transphobic. I'm offended anybody. Could be a girl boy. They didn't say the border girl scouts. The girl scouts probably just like. I'm just picturing that. It's just a fat dude in a party dress with purple hair. Like a big bushy beard. How cod hanging out in the woods with a bunch of little boys in their lesbian mothers makeup. Just you know pop in hormone blockers and doing nitrous god and most importantly to the girl scouts girl scouts talking about anti-racism that's right gs usa as they're now called charming right off the tile. It really does. They just accepted a five hundred thousand dollar donation from the ford foundation to conduct a thorough audit of its organization and evaluate experiences of members and non members worldwide or in other words. They're being investigated by a left wing political group to make sure they are anti-racist all right i'm guessing no more somali cookies right. Those are racist. Samoa's right. I mean look at this. I mean. they don't eat cookies. I know samoa. You think samoa joe would eat a cookie and i think he would need a few thousand space admits though i mean after all just told us a few weeks ago that obesity is racist. So you know. I mean made throughout. Actually get rid of all cookies. Because then they can't sell them and then they can't participate capitalists southbank. There's nothing more racist than capitalism. I think the nike commercial so must be captured center And no more camping. I think we covered it last month. Camping is racist. Lack people aren't allowed to go camping. Silom god i made our reservation at the state heart undermining. Because you've tried to go in and do it wouldn't have let you joe biden would find out they. Would you the favor scan. There'd be like thirty two moose outside should've told you but no blacks allowed. Haven't you heard you heard camping racist you. Blacks can't figure out. Would so my and i mean you know it's it's it really makes you wonder though i mean what are the gs. Usa members gonna do all day anyways on what else. They're going to get molested by their leaders. And if you've got a problem with that you are a pedophiliac bigot. And racist yes anyway. It looks like we're getting our first. Call avai a probably a good time. Yeah yeah i. I don't think i can take anymore. Make racism as take all right all right hello caller. You're on the air with the war on morons. Tell us your name where you're calling from. My name's biddy. I mean i'm from naples. Naples florida can you hear me. Can you hear me on the radio. Yes many you're on the war on moron old. Oh my god. that's great. that's great you know i. I'm so happy to. I'm on radio kid. Shouldn't we're on the show. Her kids on the radio. Say hi did show. The kids don't want to say anything. Oh probably listening anyway so you choke it know we. We're all listening. We're unleashing you know it. Don't bother me to you know. Let the kids listening to this show. I mean they. They eighty little bit entertainment. You know we're we're out here in the woods. You know new bit of away Camping camping trip a little bit of a adventure show they. Adt they need to have to help. Healthcare brain relax. You don't you don't think about the predicament. That they're in Yeah 'cause we're little bit a little bit off the beaten path you know. I try surprised. Then i got through. I can't believe i to signal down here in florida. You know mean as long as you know as long as you know what you do. And i mean it's your family your business. It doesn't sound like the family. I don't got no kids. No no we didn't bother me. Nothing i don't. I mean the i did the boy scouts. I'm a boy scout coop leader. Okay okay okay okay. I'm here with my like you know. How kids are these but against you can call them. Like hey hey they. You're my kids right. Save something yeah right. We were a day three of the trip here. You know it. Don't bother me. Nothing you know i get out about but i mean these kids do they to use your legs. Maybe they're not used to track it and so much You know we. We'll make sure we don't bring too much food. We don't bring too much water. So we could really get a sense of you know as you kinda like like in seminole seminole indians you know like a seven old adventure survival trip cocoa. Why wouldn't you tons of water me. Not just basic you don't they. Mother nature provides mother nature provides. That's what i think he's He's boys you know it's You know we we're gonna get a full from them and we're gonna get our water from the land that but that's not why i called. That's i mean that's kind of why i called. You know you were talking about scouts. And i figured you know. Are you talking about this. Then i can call in you know because You know i. I've i always want to call this time you know. It sounds that could've show you know to tell you the truth. I don't like it that much but You know it doesn't it doesn't bother me you know if you know something even you know. Don't bother me. Hey thanks for the of you know 'cause 'cause normally you don't talk about the nike and i can call lied about 'cause I you know. I do this on the weekends and stuff like that but i'm normally i just work in the neighborhood. You know neighborhood watch guy. I told you know down here in florida. You know a lot of people moving down here now on a lot of people you know where i tell you know every day i i've been i've been knocking on doors. I've been snooping around. I've been doing my investigation or your friend to make sure that everything's on the up and up as you know you got these people coming down to you from new york coming down to you from From new jersey. Coming down to your for me. She and i mean not. Don't you know anything about it but They don't bother me too much. But lately i've been seen in the news is there's a lot of these These mexican families. No i don't. I don't necessarily want him coming in my neighborhood. You know so I gotta make sure that they don't have any mexican That they didn't What what what. Sex trafficking is due. And you know. I gotta tell you benny. You might not just buckle up because dot on how many of these mexicans. There are some insane number. I mean there's gonna be everywhere. Yeah well i just wanna make sure the mexican six traffickers in the neighborhood. So i just been you know somebody with the you. Hone or you know with the The ryder truck or with a with odd unit or something like that in the neighborhood. I just go up and say you know i asked him. Why are you coming in the neighborhood. Why are you moving in you hiding any kids. You hide mini little girls seven protect on the internet. You gotta. I didn't that you hold trump people that don't get offended them a little bit. But it's my job you know 'cause neighborhood watch we have to know these things so i if they don't give me an answer that i can You know respect. And i have to wait until the The golden store or something or go to work. And you know they're not get my kenniston united you start doing snooping around. It's gotta make sure. They got no girl tightening their. I don't. I don't want them to feel old. Billy that sounds like you're breaking into the older. Don't hold on what we know. We're not gonna call your mommy. No no where survival cryptically. No use one of these kids. He's talking to my my sto- you fifa trip. If you wanna get a survival bad you can't be bothering me. Nothing you know. You can't be bothered. You felt leader on the radio. You know i've only got five percent battery left on my on my cell phone you talked to the show on the radio and look. I don't care. I told you if you want to drink water you gotta pee in the water bag. You gotta watch what i mean so i mean this is a survival trips you know. They think it's just a regular camping trip. I tell them no. We're gonna learn how to forage. We're gonna we're gonna learn how to how to get our food from the from the nature. I milk if it's if it grows in in in the woods you can eat it You know i mean. There's a good tasty mushrooms berries. Mushrooms varies ed. These kids being tortured new. Seventy seventy seventy years old. Get back to their parents into date is okay no. Hey hey you better wake up. I told you if you fall asleep under survival we might hate you but we don't have too much need let you know it. Don't bother me nothing. Iv lot of children. Before these kids you know they. They don't make them like they used to. One thing about each children doing on comment actually gonna eat them new for you. Run out of four. Having that might be. It might be something we could do aren't you. Aren't you just a campfire. Jesus christ don't they have got really a campground out here down here in the in the slump down here but I mean it's okay because you know you don't wanna drink. Peter stay watering the swamp. Oh boy. I barely got any battery you on the cellphone. I probably should have brought a battery pack and me get lost of any nowhere. Well you know. I could find my way back. Luckily i got my own food. Carry for me. Hey hey come on. Hey kevin going well. he's lost. he's lost. I ain't going over there and there the panthers or something there. You're not responsible or ham. Even mike generally food. You're not might be. Don't bother me. Nothing they don't bother me anyway I just want everybody to know I if if you're in the scouts remember to be loyal and be be good crew Just like my my my kids here. If you're in my neighborhood there don't become year with. Don't be coming here no sex trafficking like you might have an opening on your trip now that whatever. His name was ran off into the swamp. It's okay if his parents really care this year to anyway we we We're gonna we're listening to your show from the phone battery runs out. I don't eat any. Children are let them die lease. We'll see Pretty concerned about them. I mean if you get so forget lost in what are they. Lost in the everglades. Are you saying it bothers you. What is supposed to do is call nine. one one. I dunno scouts are gone. Downhill it out. Yeah i i mean what were the eating pretty much any a foraging. That's storage right if you know how to avoid the poisonous plans. I'm sure that wake up. I well my guy they'll be okay. They'll they'll be okay. let's not worry about. I'm sure he'll be five. What are we gonna do. We're in the middle of the show. Okay right all right. Somebody listening out there. Maybe no no keep listening to our show. Okay yeah he's a he's a train scout leader something anyway. I've actually got a story that could kind of follow bet that call up really well while if that guy does make it out of the forest and i imagine he would lose a scouts. Skin helps Maybe he can move to portland. Why anti would they allow him to be a troop leader based on how he identifies. We'll keep you identifies as troop leader without being qualified with that count like like delta airlines or whatever it was probably antifa of course is in charge in berlin basically. We know their official candidate didn't quite win the mayoral election last year. We all know who's running the show. People who set the police creasing on fire renite exactly and yet. Somehow it still standing honestly. It's a good thing. Those antifa types were never actually in the scouts. I mean could you imagine if they actually knew how to start like a real fire like portland would not exist any jail. But that's we're getting way off track so so. The point is the city of portland. Saw a twenty six year high in homicides in twenty twenty and killings are actually up nineteen hundred percent in the first three months of twenty twenty one which is unbelievable members by the way people just getting gunned down in the streets. I mean it's grand theft auto portland shea got. They're going nuts but anyway they're answer to all of this is to hire more park rangers to patrol the city head. So that's is going with. Maybe this guy if he makes out of the woods down there you can go. You can go to portland. They're hiring what the fuck is a park rangers. I mean take fires. Well i mean they can. They can give you a you know you come jokes on you. Antifa you've said the fund the police. But she didn't say anything about the goddamn department. So what's out. It'd be hilarious if that wasn't exactly what they're doing out there. So unarmed hapless asks ranger dan. Now he's gonna take on the militia black-clad gun-toting communist psychopaths. That's the plan like that. That's that's the plan. That's oh you know i actually. I have to tell you little lindelof subject here. But i used to think about becoming a park ranger. I love nature. You know you get a federal benefits. you know. It's not a bad gig but weapons training know. Oh what kind of what kind of firearms do carry. But you know the thing that back honestly was not not really a whole heck of a lot of a career path. You know you're kind of like in one role for the rest of your life. Well now folks if you felt the same way i did when you were looking at the potential for park ranger role. Fear no more. There is now a exciting career path ahead of you you can go from patrolling your local state or national park to patrolling the streets of portland facing violent criminals. It's like a real life backman video game except you don't have a bat suit or any weapons or trading whatsoever and the criminals are all gonna kill you. So i like but may maybe they can help to prevent the forest fires. I mean that would be lost. Just a guy stop. Stop throwing those molotov cocktails everywhere stop. Stop shooting those bobble rockets at everybody. It's different yeah. I mean you know portland's done portland's been done for For a long time. But hey at least they legalized. How yeah. i don't think that's healthy. But yeah but hey. -brate celebrated on a on four twenty everybody. If you're listening in portland and you're not getting shot at by crazy yeah marxist fucking bach lava light one up light. Went up you know what actually skip the we'd I would just be going straight to heroin. Appoint point it's legal. You might as well anyway. Speaking of scary yet. Very preventable crime Let's go to ohio. Where a fifty seven year old woman was arrested over in april fool's day joke that it go a little too far the hell do nothing too crazy. She faked a mass shooting at work hilarious. Mata praying that's a knee. Slapper right there. Oh man. I mean how do you dial that one down like are you scared. You shouldn't be. Iran scare tactics orders. Tracy morgan when you're the guy like what is she. A fricken fifty seven year old youtuber. I'm jay station three in the morning and would have pretended. There's a mass shooting. I could see the clip bay title. Now let's see how long allen last a still. Apparently this woman thought it was a funny idea to send her sister claiming that a guy who'd been fired the day before had come back with a gun and that she arrested. The staff were hiding in fear for their lives in lock offices. I know my sister would find that real hilarious. If i texted her something like that. Could you imagine if you were still you do shit now. You probably would have done the shit ten years ago. Could you imagine if you're doing shit at thirty years from now and you're just like fucking with your sister. Here's a mass shooter at work today l. o. L. just kidding. Can you have if you hadn't said this was in her fifties. I would've thought it was one of the goddamn parkland right. We don't know how much they love getting attention for mass shooting. Whether they're real or not. Okay okay come on. Let's let let let us back on youtube. We we'll be good from here on. How say anything bad. I didn't i didn't say i just insinuated it right between alive. You know that were behaving whatever happened to that. Ugly lesbian with the buzz-cut for parkland we the pillow. Company didn't work out the why not a prank show. Steven hogg made the pillow company. Right right the and all right. Well if you think that's a prank get out of the. This is a really weird story. Out of china Mark covid would. It'd be a great segue of it was Yeah ll folks. Coronavirus dropping dead and china. That's me chinese. Meet great joke me put viral contagion in your coke anyway. No not a covert story. This is not about fake virus. It's about fake boobs. So here's the headline is a classic man. In china claiming to be tallest master offering breast implants with mind control and witchcraft. Has authorities worried. That does sound worrisome. Mind breast implants. I mean what is witchcraft. And hit the secret to taking out the ep. All this time. I thought it was the space for you. Turns out maybe we should have made like the warlock forces day signed me. Fucking out workforce. Okay i'm ready. You're not ready for that. Ping fugger taiwan before it's all around. We probably should. Honestly i mean at the very least you know. He can distract all the soldiers by giving all the taiwanese women magical boob. Implants how i think our if we do anything about the chinese ari. It's they probably haven't been with a woman anytime soon. The demographics no matter chair. Let's just go back to the magically rest augmented wizard he's he magically augment doesn't have his own magic he has rest so that'd be great though. I mean this would address. That'd be if he was our army he's just a regular like chinese regular old china regular chinese with a male with area. He's just a regular chinese taoist wizard. But now there's a video of him waving his hands and like drawing circles of ear in front of like a a couple other women would be basically a like you. Don't see the after pictures property that's been saying he's doing all these gestures in front of the group like twenty thirty women any says he he. He insists that they're all going to be a little more top heavy sometime soon. Campanella believing he he also says he can make people smarter by blowing air into their heads. So wow you know gotta say i mean we've really been underestimating. The chinese very overestimated the chinese. If they believe this should have this technology folks. We are done for this. Single handily could probably give us all heart attacks by i dunno farting into our chest or something i think i think he's making shit up but they're just like oh really. Oh okay i have a. He can do that delivery pulls a quarter out of there too and that would just blow their minds they fuck a quota come from. How can you do that again. Own team from kids in the hall. Remember and thank the chinese army. We just flip this guy get him on our side end up on a mountain and they'll be we'll just we'll just put it on video over the beijing. Look what man we just crush at entire battalion of with one movement one foulkes who they were all flat. Oh my god anyway. Here's another call coming in god. Well it's on the international line. Ah did i hope it's not from china. We might have pitched off the wizard. Just in case you take you take it. You think high collar you're on Tell us your name where you're calling from. My name is brian. And i'm calling from you bryan begs her brain with ryan yeah channel. I remember you brian location. I can't exactly where i i mean. I'm just be wrapping season. One of rain moves with right but we mazing first season of the most incredible magic magic. It's meant mind. Mockery boosting putting the greatest television program. The greatest reality reality mind bending. I mean you. You feel like it's the best program you know right ugly all right you have to lose we we just we just finished season one. And i'm very cited to call in and tell you that the season finale is going to add sunday at eight o'clock eastern. So i i'm showing. Everyone will be watching with grayson joint and when you see any muslim and we ended the season with you. You understand why. I can't tell you exactly where i am because i have been bad from yet another. Thank god i mean gee crying. Caller show the frigging blood. Your season finale. Yes you know. we're not of yours. Have to pay sir you were talking about. I mean i. I'm allowed to call when you talk and discuss about magic. And you were talking about the the chinaman. He focuses on on brash. Said he makes getting larger and he he blows into the into the brain and he makes a brain explode. What's china metrical tournament. You just story hover. You have something to add. She's thinking that. You can actually do anything. I i mean i do that. I'm going but you know. I i can i can. I can actually i tried. I tried focusing on a dress standard. A little breath didn't. But but i i try to make grow. I can convince you can change your actual mind. And i can make a restaurant so it you know being a mental extraordinaire. I think. I m pederson that chinaman. And i don't talk about him. You can him free publicity. Why don't you give me reported crimes against humanity crimes of the mind. Crimes of the mind are not crimes the of humanity because everything. I do this people lately given up their own. Well they just don't realize you're sick well into their heads exactly exactly. And that's why. I am brian then. And you're not when you see waiting to see what i've done season finale here. He's was i i. I'll just tell you. Right now. I i i cannot go back to the united states of america. Thank god i think that what i did what i did was in the united states of america. And you probably have seen it on to tell you. I'm never gonna watch your show so why don't you just tell us what you did the way that rain losing works. I can convince you like using my mental listen polish. What is not and what is not that. You're not this. Vile human. Fore i i chose to bring you you. You wouldn't even know the life. I ruined so i If i told you that i who did the officer of the law into thinking. That was a taser. The season finale. I had to do it and make that the perfect timing is the right and all excited and everyone knows right. That's a great history you deserve. I can't go there then from cuba's what are these days. And i'll tell you. What i did rattle castro. Hard deal though raiders sunday. Eight o'clock hauling us resi in like eight different countries by now a review. Has he's been he's been banned from. I'm starting to think he's the most periodic spy the us. He's worked for or something the he's got a whole new way of taking down countries out. Apparently i've bryan ryan bedford the great the only goddamn explanation. Otherwise this guy would be in jail. Will you really by that story. I think he's just an asshole that that would be much easier relation. Who knows anyway. I'm speaking of assholes. am i. i should speak that way about her. Being asphalt commercial. pretty much. Only till you hear this thing right. It's fucking guy. A my name. Is the automobile reverend. Jeremiah jess and full many years now and in hand with the low jesus christ for my harbor home here class stay on mississippi to lead my flag all across guys green and enter the kingdom of heaven and when i sat time in at the foot of the meeting i talk talking no pat robertson i talk to frank. Graham assures the devil is read and talking. No joel haas team because my greasy black has done that haag time praising jesus as team is for you in the community so when i tell you that i seen a vision of vision from the law god himself and then he told me. 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Here my son go forth go forth and give everybody blood clots anyway. aren't a member of the holy church covert or that was Your benevolent dictators in the moron administration have a solution for you really as white house court. Jester gen a stupid said last monday. Their latest focus is on tricking conservatives into accepting the experimental gene therapy treatments masquerading as vaccine's well it in a way it's terrifying and also refreshing to see them being so transparent with us about their plans. Did she actually say that. I mean she didn't say the whole experimental gene therapy thing date essentially say she wanted to trick that. Can i mean i. I added a little flair but but anyway amazing the story is that nearly half republicans that are being polled are saying that they aren't going to take the shots Now in response to that. The department of health and human services has spent ten billion dollars to drive pro vaccine messaging to amex gonna use genocide words year white conservative communities through nascar country music television and the deadliest catch sounds little. I mean i don't mean to sound like a liberal here. Sounds a little racer stereotype like you think. I mean these are the same people that they ain't thinking of black people day in early. Let's make a cartoon rap song at a theory of types of kind of their thing hearts work they're gonna drop ten billion dollars of tax money. I'm surprised she didn't say they're going to give away cases of bush. Light pouches. red man. If you take your mark you know that would be tempting. I can't remember the last time. I bought something off a commercial. Can you know. I get them right. You know here's an idea that will blow their minds as anybody. Writes your congressman. Hell right jen sack year. Whenever the puck name is that the only way you'll get the vaccine is in exchange for a free a are fifteen from the government. But here's the catch i want the. Ar r i. I know we've said you're but how funny is it will. You're the stupid ones. Yeah you know the sad thing. Is i really hope that works. I can see there so goddamn desperate to get these needles in everybody's ours. I could see them seriously. Considering it or know these stupid stupid southern white rednecks damn goddamn conservatives. Only way we can get them to take this poison. Vaccines is if we give them automatic weapons but it's okay because we'll just trick them with the buyback where we pay them. You know fifty percent of the market now. We know they're stupid so there definitely the for the nfl. We know they all live in. like cracker. shakeout. Let's do it. Let's just give everybody out in the country. Let's just the ship of somme are fifteen it exchange for their viper certificates ago. Power with the sad thing is all these american institutions. Just going along with this left is nonsense. I mean i mean nascar's involved in the shows the other thing the fall football baseball i mean. They've ruined everything. They ruined sports. they ruined wrestling. I can't fuck and watch wrestling anymore. They ruined movies. They ruined tv. They ruined the internet cab. They haven't caught him yet. So if you see what they did to fucking parlor arise trail even ruined fast. Food brands like pop. Companies like e e e. Can't drink coke without feeling like somebody's an in your face but you can buy a mypillow though boy. There's clearly there's no culture there's no entertainment that's left that's free of like hardcore liberal indoctrination or if it's like one of the niche products that's not like if you oh boy i'm gonna go get some some goya's spices stand up to the leftist. You're still thinking about fucking politics right. Yeah yeah what is wrong with these assholes yet. i think. I think we need to take it back. Yeah i think conservatives need to take over something that would make the liberals feel the way we felt when they went in and started taking over things like nascar football. What do you suggest hair. Dye manic panic. I think we should take over. I don't want bills. that's a little. I think we should take over. Show tunes who mike lindell mike lynn. Yes yes great idea. If you've heard of my pillow in my store will get ready. America's now it's time for my broadway. I can't wait to see how cats and south pacific into allegory about dominion voting. Were that we're not gonna do. Miss saigon were not gonna do miss america. i can't wait to see his judeo christian version of how the fuck you do that they take les miz. I mean that'd be easiest. Make it all about january six from for our first show bogging there the they do the producers. Maybe a lot of people would go for that. You'll just here. It's all about a secret plot by sneaky bankers. I call them. The jews that mike minnelli's anti semitic it gives them a couple weeks a couple of weeks. They'll take back to the circle back girl. Let's to see how she thinks she smarter than us. Here's a fun headline for you. Folks a video gamer manage to trick white house. Press into asking jam sacchi questions for wait before someone figured it out and ironically. They got the exact same answer every single time. Yeah one of these days. She's gonna circle back to cogent point so to have this work exactly so there's a role. Playing group on. Roadblocks does mock government exercises and one of the members of the group came to the conclusion that there was not enough hard hitting journalism from the white house. Press doesn't take a video game nerd to figure that out now. It does not go on all right so he created a twitter account for fake news. Organization called white house news and proceeded to trick multiple white house reporters into posing questions to the press secretary at official briefings and eventually they figured out the ruse. Jim acosta asked her to could subscribe his twitch screen. They're the smart ones. Everybody just remember that. Cool by a roadblocks gamer row blunt. With the fuck is rogue Upi no like some goofy like it's so it's like a fun game like even lego buckingham a concept like i know what minecraft I have a general idea of what fortnight is. I have no fucking clue group blocks. It's like broadcasts mind crafts. I tried to get into mine. It was awful laying and six year olds powerful. These are the people that are fooling the smart. Can the press secretary in the white house. press corps Any but like. Let's go back for a minute. Gimme fair to say remember. One video games are fine. Who the fuck like. When when i was a kid. I play video games. I wasn't like oh boy everybody would be really fun. Let's see if we could get. Jen psaki to answer a question. That would not have even crossed my mind now. I'm trying to see if i can get nuke them to see the naked bubis or something. Like i'm trying to see if i can get sub zero to like shatter somebody. No budget million different visas. I wanted to see the violence. I want to have a good time. I'm not like oh boy. Let's see if they political questions because you know. Msnbc not doing a good enough job wrong with this generation every yeast. They did something to better the fucking press conferences they tried. They saw something wrong and they tried. I gotta give them credit for that game. Five years kim il he'll be the un lecturing true. He's taking that lesson at the end of the day folks taking alphabrain for that's clearly the missing ingredient. The left doesn't have think they pay us for that. So anyway from the fake press to the fake news in one of the biggest stories of the week. Cnn got caught red handed. One of their top news director was captured on tape. It admitting that their entire network is just a propaganda outlet for the democrat party. Yeah well i mean why is this is. This is what anybody who's watched the two minutes alone already know. Yeah but now it's on the record then and what makes it even more fantastic. Is the manner in which this came to the service detail. project veritas. They're not just mocking us. If they're not openly mocking estimates point who project veritas see. They happen just come out. On and marcus. They're just come out on the screen and said just so you all know. This is a propaganda network and we hate america and were tricking. You ha- anyways. Another black person was killed by a racist. You only see that if you put on the sunglasses on the project veritas. Of course they're pretty much. The only journalists left in the country so one of like investigative reporters. She made a fake profile. And she fooled this for lack of a better word moron at cnn into taking her out on a bunch date. She hat pitched him one tender a tender catfish from a new york seven. She just let him drink. A couple of bud. Lights are probably white caused. She didn't drug. It would have been that would have been a whole different story. Read interesting now. Hey no he gets drank a couple beers and he gets spilled his rotten guts on hidden camera about everything how. They propped up biden. How they hit all of his cognitive issues. They tried to make him look cool. How he gets this move on women slave by buying prostitute. how they lied about trump. How they hyped up. The matt gaetz nonsense. The virus way out of proportion how they suppressed the blm riots in how they basically how they instigated the deal. Riots right i mean he just went on and on and on he confessed everything and he had no idea he thought he was like picking up some some dumb broad from nyu or something. Yes she was. Just frothy for him to stick his propaganda babies inside eh Zima he literally said quote. We're creating the story. I think that's propaganda. He said the word he said the word. They admitted their propaganda marino. Thank god i mean. Finally the nightmares over there done. I mean they're done now right curson. Now project veritas got banned from twitter. And now they're they're trying to get tucker carlson van from cable. Yeah it's i mean you get in trouble for exposing it. You don't get dribbles doing it lettuce. Cnn have to say about this round. Breaking story are well. The latest from cnn actually to cnn. The other day to see like if they were in china evaded or explain themselves Well they were up the thing at the bottom of the screen said fox's biggest stars have not shared vaccine selby's a couple talking heads. We're talking about that alec. After a cnn recorder guide from the vaccine by the way yes. They didn't cover that no. I don't think so you know at some point you guys really got. Starting wonder i mean when did the third reich takeover it'd people realize it right away or do they just wake up one day and say holy shit. We're living in a totalitarian nightmare. Because you can't see it. We're going down that road right. I kinda feel it. I feel like we're in like nineteen thirty seven right now. I i saw another example of their derangement in action. Now it was even better than that near the foxhole so like honestly this was beyond gas lighting so this was a week ago during the riots during the rights would be the apple last week when all the peaceful protesters were out looting. Every store down burning the city down jumping up and down of cop cars. You know put officers in the hospital. Throw britain to their heads. You know you call that a riot right. I wouldn't call it a garden party. Now regarded burning. Who will there is a press conference with the police chief in. He called it a riot and cnn reporter immediately corrects him. He's like now. There's no right there right likely. Some baghdad bob. Shit like fucking. Obi wan kenobi the riots. You're looking for writer. Maybe that chinese guy with the mind control breast implants while will like no. That's not right over there movies. Jen psaki bubis. Now people actually want shit get the truth and great meanwhile back in the real world. Some unlikely people are fighting back against the fake news. Not just talking about project veritas. So this happened last wednesday at the minnesota riots of twenty twenty one e l rioters chased off. Cnn edge their vehicle in nailed one their crew members in the head with a water bottle awesome. I see people on your side. Run even after getting literally assaulted by these maniacs. Any it's went to twitter to apologize forgetting their way and to still voice their support of justice. Just not for themselves right. I love it obsolete. Serie that you beat us up. Thank you for. Correcting our privilege is just like how last year out the the bill like people forgot about this already but last year. Blm storm the cnn edwards in atlanta. And like they. I remember they said it on fire up they like like hundreds maybe thousands of just talking storm the lira gates in the showed up in the cnn headquarters kind of like what they tried to say that the capital yet more or less. I just not that we weren't there. Thank god is probably already on the way cutest. We'll see maybe we'll be back next week. Maybe we'll be imprisoned tortured all but yeah no when that happened. I bet cnn the security guard is like oh shit blm. Oh my god really your number one fan like come on and take anything you want. Hold on like an hr mandated extracurricular activity at the office. That day like for you know for anybody who wants to join in at three pm will be storming the office so feel free to join in and right lou. I'm surprised they didn't send don lemon down the service every single one guy. He'd love it. Probably i will. I know he's not only in the black guys now. Like done it for the 'cause there's actually been stories this all over the place lately. There was a funny one in new york. To where andrew yang all people rode his bike across the brooklyn bridge to join him. Some anti police protests out there. They chased off. Wanted to stop asian. hey. I don't think they do. I don't think they do. They usually be committing it. They say he had to pedal all the quick. Fix looking like a fucking god damned they must. He's he's probably gonna be the next easy eight crime victims. We found this awkward. Chinese guy beaten to death at blm riot of they shoved the calculator up his something about a thousand dollar check. What's next in the stack all right so continuing our circling around the carcass of journalistic integrity. Here's another one straight from the living. Newspeak dictionary known as twitter. I'm so leftist or no longer calling looting theft well looting or theft out smashing into a business destroying property in stealing whatever merchandise you want. It's now being referred to as acts of material liberation. That's not a real thing. Wait is now. are they thinking like yes. Said the geese free the chains of retail price tags from that screen. Tv young man. Yeah and people said we were crazy when we call them. Communists i mean. It's it's a rescue operation that liquor store. They're holding all the crown royal hostile. You go down the fucking cuba at all you can find is like cars manufactured up until like nine hundred fifty seven right. I wonder if also isn't on with this nonsense is you're gonna see the same thing with like basketball shoes. The last pair of air jordan was produced in twenty twenty one and then they started burning down all the footlockers in maki stores but man we just we got. We got those little sexes last. You ever made she Shoes that that's that's where that's why we're gonna end civilization. Well why civilization enough material liberation one group of minnesota rioters targeted one of the targets. You'd never expect last week but a library. Well that's pretty funny but this is even better They looted the brooklyn center dollar tree. Dollar tree yeah. They liberated the fuck out of that dollar tree. The store where nothing in the entire building cost more than one dollar. I mean i knew these people were stupid. This is amazing. I mean what's the plan here. Like the see. See we gotta have the candy bars. See the candy bars. They actually work like a buck. Twenty five so you know we slip. That will make a hundred bucks dog. You know the only thing i can think of is works there one of the next day all sense shortsighted at all man. All rioting sure sure is making me sore. Why don't i burn my fucking job to the ground. So i can call out on monday. Finish it they're not gonna be re- rebuilding the frigging dollar tree anytime soon. You got sell a lot of bric a brac. Two paper ransacked store. I mean i hope. The managers are real stubborn. And he's just like no no. We're not closed. You come into work and you're going to clean up all this mess. Hands them a push broom and a bucket of industrial cleaner. Instead get to work riley the entire city of minneapolis. Smoldering ruins near the apple. Stores gone maki stores gone. every target. Dow's gone but he's like rebuild this fucking dollar tree anyway just sat time. We're getting one more phone call. I think we are. We have time. I think we have time you take it though me. Yeah all right Hello eerie coda. Nine one seven Meuron was wm. What's up how you doing. Good cynthia how you doing. I'm doing all right. You know. I gotta i don't know i mean you know a little bit with the With the water. Yeah i mean you know. I you know i work larry with a and in conflict for finding going. What's new york. you smell. Funny your guys you get nia like messing up your your roots or something. Oh god we'll be on everything you know and you never do so you know. There's really no point delivering these three kids. I mean people. Are you know wondering how crazy but you know even on the watch chain ever gonna get it right. 'cause he's can come up and tell though here's my little league i mean on the one hand that gotta do with the rise you know over the mail on the other hand. I don't get out packages. So you know all i can say we on i am i. I haven't i mean i. You're a little closer situation than i am. I didn't know so people are. They'd been stealing packages off of people's doorsteps gi. Yeah yeah they're rolling the right tire lubers. I know you know you know we. Now you know at the end of the day and on you then money anyway. I i my walk me. I could not sell your fate. Martin blake robert something you know. Maybe that rolling out. Whatever you know tell. 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Episode 103: A Beautiful Gem of WTF

Stacey's Pop Culture Parlour

1:04:15 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 103: A Beautiful Gem of WTF

"Hello and welcome to the one hundred. Three of Stacy's coach Carla. It's a bit of a special bonus episode today. The I am bringing to you in order to help a friend of mine my somebody for a good cause if you listened to episode one hundred two you have Mitch In ways Al Galvin. He's a friend of mine who previously organised a thirty six hour charity podcast broadcast for comic relief. And he's doing I to die. Charity podcast festival for Sport Relief. Unfortunately awesome able to go because trains to save Hampton are stupidly expensive for no reason the confide them so to sort of my four not being now not been able to do a show in not being able to support in the way that I wanted to. I thought I'd just do a little extra bonus episode to talk about sports related movies. We've got a slightly different for for these episodes. So are we talking to a couple of different people for little short bursts of their favorite sporty movies? 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So if you want to find out more the difference that you can make by donating to the superport echo to comic relief dot com if you do decide to mica donation to Al's page that Super Dot Co dot UK or just giving dot com for slash super dash potent. Talamo sent here so that I'll get a lovely big ego boost for Bain so great and having the best looseness anyway on with the show. Two sports fringe brains to where she was like. Well don't WanNa talk at wrote able Escape to victory. So that was slapshot against this lobster. So it wasn't. Actually I is Eddie. Took those yet if those otherwise. I'm not a sporty particularly. We'll take may because all you saved Will know that I'm a bit she to have him watch movies. The kind like boy to me having a city well card book only sort of assumed in my own head throughout saint loads of sport movies. But I thought I'll have a look. I'm not one of these. You know. Top One hundred sports movies Lisa something area. Because I don't want to get one. I don't WanNa like end up talking about Donald for Kim dodgeball. Schlock fucking classic. That are missing anyway. I was scrolling through this list. And also yet you know how I wish joke about how bad I talk about. Cast like one hundred percent shouldn't bayliner also raging bull now. Notice any escape to victory out of us. These moneyball never sending Jerry. Maguire Neves in it like with those are very fringe like Jerry. Maguire is very fringe. It's not it's A. It's a film about professional sports sports movies number the team in the plays and that Roy victory in Almac Cohen is still a month ago. A Better promotion. It's promotion mo the sports that a thing but I think like major league a bull. Durham NOT HE KINDA. Push pushing it really. That's that's my knowledge ghosts. 'cause I'm not very sporty to site. It's kind of like it was very easy for me because it was like literally flip between walk and talk about that back then. We should curious his really also. I'm sure a lot sports enthusiasts would go you. You're pushing a bit there. I Got Out Shush. Very only tangentially. Sports varies a science fiction film and a wool movie. You know you kind of push in the definition there so and that was literally the slip. I thought well at least football's a real sport where he wrote a Book Martin Sport so yeah because only think about choosing basketball for awhile. Kosovo is really fucking funny and goods. But it's not real sport and I don't think he Malaysian totally depends on. How you WanNa define a sport anyway because when I was talking to Richard These earlier when I was like I think Komo choose the wrestler. He was like no wrestling's not sport. I was like hold on what and he was like no. The toy of wrestling is featured in the film. The wrestler is one hundred percent. Entertainment is not spoil and I was like. Oh but yeah but yeah aspect teak you have been but that's the whole wrestling though so it's it's included in the boot category on so if you look you know sports movies expect. That would be in there when he was number. One in the star looked tap. So is your vice. Spend so you've chose escape to victory. Tell me about this film because off not sane always so escape to victory. Nineteen ninety-one director John Huston a legendary film director eight. The Multi Volkan African Queen The money would be king legendary director right and he might escape to victory which is essentially a comic book movie based on a Comic Book. It's basically a like a a humor blend of genre agenda genre. Blend of you will move. Your prisoner will escape movie and football. It's basically Roy. The rovers to the SKYPE and complete popcorn flick is absolute bank holiday boxing. A lunchtime on the SOFA low commodity ended football and prisoner wool and Nazis and stallone's Stallone Michael Caine Stallone at the pay committees fine. This might escape to victory. I think it was just faster rocky too and before rocky. Three with his top pre. I think he's eighty eight. I think he might just before I blood so he was the big big new fresh guy at the term diplo is. It's it's interesting. The behind the scenes stuff for escape to victory as Ole Mouse quit possibly arguably more interested in. That's actually what's on screen because it's based on a film. A nineteen sixty two Hungarian feel called to haul in hell which itself was biased. On a real event that happened in World War Two where the essentially the Germans according to myth that is because it turns out the store. You hear that it was based on what is actually true so the of the real story is a nineteen forty two. The Germans challenged. I think it was in in Ukraine. The chairman's challenged the Kiev Kiev that that the local city team for Kiev to a football match and bicycling I said as propaganda accessories and they basically said. If you win you'll be executed. If you lose you'll be free and the football players that Ukraine team basically went. Fuck it. We're GONNA win and I won and Jesus that's a hell of a story but it turns out that that's not what happened. What happened was it. They played a series of matches. Essentially are guess you'd call friendlies between the German army was an army base nearby caves and it was I by curry team. A team composed of from from a big biking factory bakery show composed of players. Who happened to be from the local tapes? I think it was something like I'm GonNa let me check outs Domo. Kievan LOCOMOTIVE. Keough bicycling to win. The occupation started die. Complete football like become bikers and anyway so it was a series of matches some by one from the Germans one Sunday lost and there was no kind of After the war this came as the there was no kind of oppression or blackmail all notice with dogs forcing them to play. Gome point too. Nobody was executed at the time. It turned out later on several months like several of the players were arrested executed for the reasons but I wouldn't not no one was executed for playing these marches but after the will the Ukraine fell under the US Esau and the Russians the Soviets The story about the German full Ukrainian football players apply at gunpoint to basically cover up the shame of the Ukrainian players collaborating in inverted commas with with the German. We'd like layer upon layer upon liar of backstory. Before you get to the Phil they fill out originally written. Kite was based on the Hungarian. For Not your sixty two halls in hell which is a much Daca more serious drama and the original script for escape to victory or victory Coal with a much more serious film somewhere. Along the way the rewrites happened and it became a much more of a popcorn flick. A jolly corner of happy cheerful feel-good adventure movie essentially and you know stallone with. Castanon built like a brick. She takes he looks like just. Fanfare is clearly a ninety s bodybuilder physique. You'll probably apparently lost something. Like forty pounds or something tonight he still looks like a fucking. Adonis around next is genuine because they fill is populated one of the giving of the fool. He's not going to tell you I'll tell you what the plot of the film is right ten minutes ago plot the film is I'm maximum Is German VAM officer? He's on an inspection of a of a principal camp imbued with two essays the point of the POW's playing football and it turns out he was before the war he was a professional football retired for Germany. So he's attracted to the to the football. Goes off watching the kickabout. He's talking to Michael Cain who he recognizes as being a professional football himself before the wool and I have a bit about survivor. You know. Oh you know wouldn't be good to have a proper macura train you know. German law and Mccain agrees on the condition that proper diet proper equipment and all these kinds of thornton prove his conditions team. He agrees for the friendly once. She agrees it. The German High Command get Irit and decide to make some kind of propaganda high alert and destroyed to Mike a big deal. It becomes a big deal breaker. Come on get with this because the Germans propagandizing. If that's the word and it'll it'll get cancer the Germans who are pushing it as a big thing because according to the film. I don't know if it's true history at this point. Germany had never beaten England in football. So it'd be a big propaganda school if Jimmy could win this much against this mixed ally. Pow team at the same time. The commander go in this is just this collaboration Blah Blah Blah so actually twenty Stinger. They plot to break the tape out during the match. So you've got on the one hand and then you've got the guy in the middle of peer too. I just want to play some football. I so am I so what was interesting story. It's Kinda goofy and silly but it's kind of like an interesting kind of parable really you these guys you just WanNa play football and Bay chums and have a nice friendly match and then you've got. The Gym is on the one side. Wanting to Mike propaganda hydrate and that the shock on this one again kind of crepe rescue the propaganda angle boy creighton escape. So that's kind of life as part of the Gimmick of the film as the POW's are played by real. Football is an international team of footballers. I look amazing next to steelers seven. Please don't pints and smoke fags during Hof tight right so you go. You go dealers and Bobby Mu amongst the FE and Pele's the superstar obviously at the time and he's he comes in and he actually designed the the football place during the match analyst. Khanna's though so but it's pretty but you've got sandwich great back stories from this. Apparently I've read. Apparently Michael Caines autobiography goes on about escape to victory quite a bit because apparently he took the job just so we could make Pele editing. He would poison. Somebody's shit films as he does what he calls money movies where he takes job just so he can eat joe's the revenge so he could extend his house and have a few weeks in the Bahamas. I stuff like that. You say so combining fucking live your life. Yeah and then. There's all these which might be Apocryphal of the Mike. Can you fill particularly stallone's behavior? So stallone comes in who was a big star at the time and apparently one of the story says that he was hey plays in the film he plays a goalie. He's he's an American who who sounded with a Canadian commandos and he was taken prisoner of war to get an Hayes So this all this stuff about him trying to play football with his hands and all this kind of stuff and the guy you're shit golden so apparently as part of his training. He had the account medical his name. Unfortunately the England the guy who was goalie for the England the World Cup when England squad which try named Goalie and apparently he wasn't stunned with a paid any attention to the training at throwing himself around given the big. I am until like fractured ribs. Difficult new broken finger and then he thought he pint. Attention will told so he did. The training and then convict could become convinced as the best goalkeeper the wilders embassy and back again. He's all apocryphal. So don't worry at Pella something like two thousand dollars. The polite couldn't school past him. I'll now it's amazing. How good fell apart lake? I E you get ten shots all sides at every one of these ten shots which is passed fucking stallone's into the back of the debt before you can even fatal into all stores that stallone recite during the Mike and of the film the salons because he's The star and he's the goalie remember because he thought he should win. He should school the winning goal at the end of because he said he could get the ball dribble. Although the page pass the we'll deal with German players. I'm buffet into the the German goal in mind. He surrounded by fucking real football players through of like you know typical pretty crew of football fans who literally working with their offals at the time right eventually the gangopadhyay. The load and convinced him. That's not gonNA happen. Lie Guts Not GonNa Happen. So what happens is I'm eligible the end. We'll find it's an old in a film. I should've seen by the end of the Phil. It's really good you know good. I'm not football. He toy person but it got me got me going. You know. It's one of the things I kind of like about in the film things can appreciate. The film is that it elevates sport to a level where I can appreciate what it means to people who enjoy full bowl so to people in football it's life and death. It's the most important thing in the world when that matches going on. I don't feel about on not smoking person. But you put in the context of World War Two and its OS versus the Nazis and coins. So those kind of can appreciate those though that kind of level of intensity you know it becomes something I can relate to so at the coolest you know. It's it's pure comic bookstore so you've got the German cheating. They've got a crooked rest. Disallows you ally. Dulls and all this carnage. Though you've got you've got the place like dhoti tackling the outweighed players and all this kind of stuff you know that kind of punching him in the ribs and all its proper from each right philosophies and what happens is the big. Finale is penalized schools. These amazing overhead bicycle kick thing where he flipped over backwards and boost the the ball into the goal. Fucking amazing of Craig. Wild walls was supposed to win with the big huge Clark moment. Apparently so the legend goes because Sloan had been playing his vice aback when this event But we can't do that but what will do and they wrote a new ending Ford. Where in the last minute of play this a foul a penalty awarded and Slung GETS TO SAIF too big penalty at the end which is less of A. It's a it's A. It's a nice moment but it's less of a standard punch their moment than polite when he's anti gravity down physically You know but I am but he got eight yet. these backstories by stallone Can Discount not not a fucking off other? I'm not sure where filmed in Yugoslavia. Who is the longer I and and stallone would focus on a plane every weekend and go to Paris with everybody else you know and he was always ten of light and apparently Muck okay not to have a quiet word within Because he was at least ten of light and Michael Caine so basically said the next time you turn of light on Ida partly felonies. On time he would run smart but yes it. It's it's a real for me. It's a real comic book movie. But it's one of those ones that's not based on actual comic book. It's exactly the same thing you would get in his ann tight reference like victor or tiger one of those comics where. I just go well. Boys like wall and boys like football. So fuck it. We'll just put together. And we'll have an actual stricken battle cold football team that went to war. We justly clever story would so set before the war with a team. Who who who will Breakable they will sign up and then each week. It's a different story of h plywood. Goes off and some of them get killed some become heroes song wounded and all of a sudden becomes looking on volunteer eleven different stories or whatever over the weeks but he's look that kind of thing but it's very much a great skype homemade with a bunch of football thrown in and it plays meet replaced with all those kind of cliches archetypes in that context off. This is all the stuff about the. Yeah the AC- The cleverest pipes and talk it with the resistance and often. It's one of those ones. You're either going to be the worst we've ever seen in your life or you just going to get into and go. Oh this is beautiful and I'm not. I'm a big movie Fan but I'm not a big football sports financial and I remember. It wouldn't have passed and not eighty one. I used to buster comic which with British welcoming an H. Weeknight. Half of a full page feature about a different war. Phil and one of the weeks. They did escape to victory as it was a new one and also well. That's that's not going to please anybody very obvious to me as a kid. The kids who read comics there was the wolf cry The war comics and then there was the sports crowd. Sports Com AQUINAS. Didn't get an awful lot of crossover between the tiger. Eat is in the Roy. The Roe v Raiders in the battle in warlord victory. So I mean you had victim that was like fifty fifty split between war and sports and I just couldn't stand who the fuck it out with. I read in the whole thing because I just read the Wall Street in the sports one am. I might just read the sports strips and a full story but it feels like it feels like it's getting was just okay. It's just a Wade Wade film. It's just a beautiful jam of the fuck. I'm really disappointed. I'm really side that my my dvd things. 'cause it feels like there ought to be a big like feature-length behind the scenes document. -Tory about the backstory in the Mike. Another thing because it just seems to be so much Historian Street And and the behind the scene stories adjust like legendary economy. So we'd Bogey Block so it cure. It's just a fill noise so I would have seen like in the. It's when it was on TV the first time I thought. Oh that's not one that was. I think it was on Christmas. I remember it was Christmas. Enter I thought. Oh that's that one was embattled that time and I'd watch any Wilson governor a ton and I really enjoyed Alpha. Went up surprise enjoyed Because of all the goal in you know really give me some conned appreciation for football. I could I contain. I'm not yes. I don't really look for broad could watch. I used to watch the World Cup and stuff like that could get conned into insult to appreciate the the skill and all that stuff in the and the forwards in the drama or the intellect Conso. But it's but it's it's a. It's a wonderful batch. It film gist. Apparently a retriever. Apparently digital script when it was supposed to be a doc series trauma with so Trovato East by the film when you actually sore it because it's so different to what he envisioned. He contemplated suicide now. I know I don't know if that's true. But he's like Jesus Christ now pizza China but the but apparently there's a remake on the way I don't just ballot check this shit. I'll do so where you get re time so I did a bit recent partly bring my on the way so you be interested in the which way goes whether it goes. I'd like to see to remix. I'd love to hear a prop one that looks at the author looks at the real event or looks at mythology and does the bullshit kind of Russian propaganda version. Because that's like a really edgy. Date winning away winning and losing your freedom. That's a that's a good story in itself or I'd like to see a proper bonkers blockbuster they're just really go for the the Roy of the rovers aspects and sticks in other would know any the fucking. Footballs were made. Si- only amid olive. Got The opposite thing to you off of not seeing this film all. I don't particularly like wall movies but I do know football and I feel like every Mike of this could live. Who died on the footballers that involve? Because I'm just GonNa say this name based on performances for like adverts and stuff not very many goods Footba veges that go with it with the Kazakh football. And the football is that we talk to act and nobody really combs Terribly well so to be fair the the football is done on given to side that. Yeah these soon to be honest. I quite naturally stick. You know they're not cold onto pool. An awful lot is listen noise moments in there and the one thing the one genuinely memorable moment. I think the everyone seen this probably remembers is part of the plot. Stallone has to be. Isn't the goalie originally got another goalie but they have to get stallone for plot reasons one going to buy need to replace the goalie with stallone into the only way they can do that. He's sighing. The golden is injured so in order to be able to convince the German doctor. Who's going to check that ease injured? They have to injury so they have to break. He's all and there's a scene where a bicycle there in the in the bunk room. `unique says okay. Put you on your arm across these two blind least plank. I'm basically Michael tankage stamps on his Alma breakfast is all I need some. Yeah it's a completely. I mean it doesn't show you anything you only hate the crack or those sets everybody's Tayfun Agent. Anybody who's leaning Ray. You would remember that. That's the but it but you should. You should definitely watch it you. It's a good one to just have a bear just like a good Sunday afternoon type. Look a bank college. Boxing die talk. Maybe I got on TV and I'd like it's one of those names like Tom. Resist watching if I flip over the TV channel. It's on now matter what points I have to sit there and watch the rest of it from from a point on those I would definitely give it a well. I feel like I feel like a fully choreographed. Football game is probably going to be a bit more exciting than the usual football. I watched the Carribean cookies today. Because I happen to be a Villafane. That was a mistake. So yes you if you're sounding Now you're talking about real football. You're sounding like Charlie Brown's teacher to remark. I talk about football within the context of road. The robbers comex and Muko Canes Delicious Alone Movies Book which the actual football things thoughts any cylinders like. It's tips especially well. We've got three minutes before Jenny. Roy I want to go really slightly off topic and silently. What did you think of the movie the light I thought it was the beginning part of it? I'm saying this is somebody. Who's seen I don't know what's going wrong with the world of the mimics got shocking timeout. And it's garbage and it wins Oscars fucking. The cat is climate. It's complete garbage and it's it's getting these leg. Fog Star reviews colorful spices is coming out data big Polish. It and I'm sure that's GonNa win some because that's the way the world's going right now. Apparently you can just take a big old shit on a film on everybody's GonNa love it literally. He's onscreen and people. Slobber Clark's on our reading on the lot seriously like a kite so I thought after bliss through so quickly like also this film was reached and he gave it five stars archive it two and a half because I think the cinematography is great and the white is filmed And the performances mostly grey even though call fully understand half of what's being said but that fall corn made me want to do emerge and and also it's a whole bunch of pretentious claptrap and also. I wasn't sure if it was my sexuality show in Bro. I really hated every sequence in which we say anybody master by but the fact that goes forward show Willem Defoe's Jeez dripping through like a great floor. Jeez off the tentacle thing that might or might not have an oak next can really looking forward to that film was so looking forward to it. The butcher and it was really good. A company like these kind of generally like kind of Auty. Horror Movies like claustrophobic movie. Just two people stuck in a log house I can. I can get behind that kind of like look crafty in Kandahar. I can get behind that always having visions of off one of my favorite doctor. Who's is the Haroo finger right eye imprinted on me as a kid? So I'm really into lighthouse horror right so I was really looking forward to the in the. He's Gibberish Ryan got annoyed. 'cause that's alright tat date the which. I think he's a really good film like really good. Solid was looking forward to these and it painted Robert Pattinson in a different to me because he really carried that for confront like he was really fucking good like I just I just thought I just fucking even thought I is. It may a my just too old for this. Which just because I am the media anyway. 'cause rich was jason all over this move. But then ritual silent mandate which I. It's that's not totally which is thanks for stopping Bali. I haven't made a tech security you against invented by the law. I'M GONNA say probably shouldn't any of that on the EH own? This will get edited Stalked athletes get a fucking sports movies yet. Just to catch up ready. It's been a long time. It has been A. It's been too long and I feel it might be. We should schedule a proper episode at some point. Or just you know an actual chat without cool things and then go. Put that fucking slanted. Someone beset cassette now working in totally do it. I mean I've got a phone as well. But you know weirdly enough off find using funds so much Skyping identify what. It is a context I just hate using the phone signal shocking. In this house sit in a certain will be in the back garden quite frankly. It's cold and Wet right now I'll say Says SPLITS SIMPLISAFE So you you Rafa. A cheek may stole my favorites pools. Moving you it wasn't until I started looking through where it ranked on. Imdb in their top one hundred fifty four or something bullets movies in general in a sport. Smoothies apparently could not again. So I'm quite concerned I'll get a paying off another site Annoying noise Sunday nights at at but whilst I'm scrolling through mid showed me sports movies the I've only seen it so good film sale. I hadn't totally the opposite reaction because I was looking at schools movie sinking ship Thereof and I was scrolling through all. Haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. I'm not saying that I haven't seen that went on for a good. I just the blindside Through like that movie. That's a good movie. That secretary of good feel I mean it's a spokesman about horseracing so technically Say All would consider that school but I was just having this conversation with Lee Webb. Only all wanted to all want. Wouldn't you take their own oil? Wanted to pick the wrestler but more hobie said that wrestling isn't a sport over the wrestling. That's in that movie ease entertainment. It's not a sport. It's not like you know Olympics wrestling. It's like sports time resting doesn't count and also but reach. It's number one on this list of sports movies. I'm looking at should up and if I said that to my mate. Who's arrested in? W W he he'd be like it's because he no. He has to work out yesterday. Train yesterday. The after so I'll go to the level of fucking precision and athleticism you after you have to do some of those moves and not break your neck. Oh someone he's been honest like The lightest I w pipe view of the weekend and people were doing like fucking suplexes onto like wooden ramps Got A smart. I mean not just watch clips on on instagram. I've never seen him. Actually wrestle. Live at some point a will but it's not something overly interests me but I'm really happy that he's doing it. He loves it he. I watched him massive body slams off the top rope Star able throwing him onto his back. Yeah there was a recent to be where somebody to the moon salts off a off the top of the cage during a cage much advocate. You go so fuck it Hoi. Just eat just Mahar does a little fluttering Watch the woman wisdom of condolence who I mean I would never put on the but anyway we should totally go. See your friend Russell. I'm sure you can you come. Stay with me again for a weekend or a Finance. Nebi will stay there because the dog and we'll go watch my make cam in war. W W on the Saints Church. His Mum's arrests legacies families. So he does it to auto Like we will actually start talking about. You'll move Understood why people think about going into like combustibles regardless of whether they entertainment whether the can Emma viol- UVA. I've never understood that because it just seems Terrifying look you must have the light you must love adrenaline and search. I mean he's he's always always loved it. I mean I used to enjoy wrestling When it was WWF. W W way yeah. That's right but then I kind of just stopped. Basically around about the time of the ultimate warrior Novak Law and the undertaking was cool. Now just seems a bit all sad if we're told me Joe Still won't just half a little seat Dan annoyed same. Woo In gladiators today and he was old when he iglesias it. Just it just will remain when you say. Some of the arrests committed especially let Julian wrestlemania nunes. Delaware's have look this goalie has been Fucking and then he like. Takes the teas Zimmer frame to the fucking ring any oil now help any post James Brown and just throws his Cape off from can come? It's just very tentatively gets thrown in if the Reagan is let thoughts. He's jumped up for the Die Welt on him. It's good to see you. You've already got your check. You'll get your old good any here in Quebec League. If that road she talked about Alito just watched it was great. Alesha handle of it. It's one of those films. Now that are I miss you. Lean aside yelling. No the script sometimes than I g not better than. What's on the screen? Because that's the only onscreen. So how can I? Yeah I was watching against Dan. Arenas of not watch this in ages but such a special films so if a special occasion to get to watch it again and there are moments is still makes me laugh. I still watch it in all when they're playing the game and sliding hitting and all that stuff but I still get really emotional when I watch it too and I know exactly what's coming executives come. I know you know when The telegram delivery guy. Yeah that saint when he comes in to deliver the telegram away wondering Exactly who it's going to and yet still. I will get a bit upset watching that. You know an Indian team with Dotty and kit just before we go back to so present day I just did air quotes like you could see me do it. The dance like Walston was recording. And then I was like nobody's seeing any of the central probably just making a lot of savings near the Moi worth it fit but now asset Saturday enjoy watching and I watched the special pizzas little documentary thing on the on the Blu. Ray Walston admit inner city Saturday and so of sadden away as well because both Penny Marshall and Gary. Lafayette died now. And they're both in his documentary talking about making the film Cisco Obviously Penny Marshall directed it and she directed big and awakenings and I WANNA say jumping. Jack clashes well. I'm not sure if that's right I might have to wind EP Later by fifty might have done but then she got half brother. Colm Abi According to this documentary she just turned him a house aside. Okay someone dropped out have to get on the plane. You have to come and do thing. And and he said Saturday because that's what we do each other sadly just. The plane went down and adopted is put into the film and adultery was in as well. She played release Spaghetti show. Yeah had did I wrote it down. Her name is. Tracy Reiner so yes. She played Betty Spaghetti. But she is no nepotism or anything. She went down to to training. Days for tryouts for the film and she did really well so mums away here in the film. And that was it. An-and yeah she got to play that role. Which is Kinda cool? Was talking about what it was like working with Madonna. Madonna was like onset and apparently she was fine. She was great was Madonna's one of those people will just have zero time for accepting this move dot like Massage of hers that I've listened to choice of senior in any of the films of Dinka Care to. I think I watched China visa Eddie's love but to be honest to Peter In this in this film are really like I think. Also it's not. The character of May is probably not a fast stretch from a characteristic to off Madonna. We don't we don't know but I I kind of get that impression at probably not a big stretch lie but I did really like her in any Marshall said she needed a nice exactly what Madonna raise his how to say she's a singer that is true after last year's Eurovision watching the music video of this used to be my playground which is a some. I really like from the film with a lovely. So it's a terrible music video. The I was I was watching. I was listening to her son that well now. She's she's got a height to just you know Rackham Women's close to International Women's die but yet voices one hundred percent not for me like its own up at a low of Madonna songs. I would like if someone else sang. Them stink. I need to hit Youtube and see WHO's done. A cover of this used to be live playground. Houston it justice here a good version of it. That's what needs to. I mean in a a tease Madonna is fun and poppy and stuffiness stuff. I do like one or two things she did in the early two thousands late ninety s that I saw apply generally. I'm definitely more of a Chicago but you know this. It was co I I. She is very good in this film. Unless I must keep it that in her with with Rosie O'Donnell as well we'll see things she has to act against some really amazing women migrant would even like. I'm not an actress but if a was don't think could ever go for a film within like you have to act against Gena Davis Law. No thank you very much all him dreadful compared to this woman she said day trash. I Love Tina Davis. May I tasked kidneys Good I love Enough cutthroat island and I don't think she likes in a lot of people don't like it but I love films so much. It's such a fun as Sunday. Matinee movie that anyway but in this film she's amazing and I love her relationship with Lori. Petty he plays I think now relationship is is great even if sometimes I want give a bit of a smack. Rondo back of the head. Well this is the thing you say as a person We'd system I can tell you that there there. There's always been times where one of us is wanted to smack the on the side of the head of that is the nature of CICI's 'cause I think that's what I really am gravitating towards with this film because if I'm honest doubt no fucking thing about baseball or not even a smidgen of a thing I know you have to hit bowl on under this running involved all go fuck version of rounders get so. That's all I know about it but like with these film. I absolutely adore. It took for two reasons. The first is the relationship between kitten data because it is very much like a steady relationships of knowing that like you know the closest thing in the history of the world unbreakable relationship in fiercely. Loyal will defend it to the to fucking death do any impre- to lose a game. Don't even care at the tongs you Dropkick Meta fucking window session. Moving at the reason these films because it is just absolutely Chaka. We've amazing women. The rule different Only been known in the past two Combo. Top of feminity soapbox INCI that just because a movie has to women. Just not a feminist movie. My necas those women oftentimes like my best example is actually like Mafia era doctor. Who all she. If you took a cloudera on river and I may even sally spiral and reject the actresses and reject the dialogue between the law firm. He wouldn't have any Let the just the same Kooky in ECOMMERCE strong favorite character. Yeah there is women in this film like some of them aboard as some of Guaranteed some of them alike physically imposing some of them are very petite ladylike. This dances this Ones heavily religious ones. Which WHO's hell nothing? Her name was in the film like that and I I completely agree and the funny thing is in a way certain by two men. Suppose when you test we say in a daily of Mike movie about women literally stepping up to the plight walls minner of doing I would imagine I would just call shaved Like anything to a crash but often been blown away about this somebody for every woman to relate to in now even the critically a single mum when you go. Oh God. What's her name. That was happening with. Boy Who Jimmy do in Tom. Hanks throws a baseball at at at the world. Series Games in hits him in is one of the funniest things but yeah even her husband says she has Single Mum on a tour facebook gaming and stuff which is great and yeah are seeing all the women in this brilliant. Just brilliant even those. That didn't get really any dialogue. Either and each individual character was around which was reading nothing but I was watching that the making of it and I was saying this obviously is based on no quite actual events that is based on a real time in the Second World War in America where it was an American Baseball League lasted for about ten years from the forties to mid fifties or something like that so the research was they went out and they spoke to all these women and other women that playing at the end of the film in the data at two women and they went and spoke to these ladies and got stories. And you know tales anecdotes and staffer of the things that happened whilst they were playing 'em which has always helping devise create this brilliant film because I love them said even Penny Marshall. He was at an massive sports fan. She didn't know anything about the details baseball league until someone handed her a documentary. That was all about it. And it's a twenty four minute documentary film and film was created but she had to take it to another studio studio. She was with but effectively. What kind of interested in? It was like well. Who's WHO's GonNa play the coach? And she's like ignore his playing anyone right now just use into the story. And then she went off to do awakenings finish awakenings and we're going to give it to a male director and started it without her and then he got shelved then she came back to it and I think it was on. I seventy all someone when it had to sign with them to make films. They said we'll even do that. That go that go him. Even she was rolling. Arise that kind of comment and the other studio forty seven million dollars into it and she's out. How would you like to get your seven million back? And they said sure and Made elsewhere and then we go. This great film that still spoken about today is apparently still held up as one of the best movies made and the stars the film they still get. Fan. Mail Spoken to about it. A- scene through Gina Davis's as social media sites Does this agenda in film and TV sing shoes? She's a baseball event. And they were in the racing racing that Rockford peaches uniform and everything playing which is cool out some of the costs down to play as well including Gina Day. This is a big. Nfl something Senate still means not to that which is really cool and also had some really really great darnold. I mean some of the best lines all it does. That was like there was a period way. 'cause policy his top of our family like when we were young girl. Who was the Barbie dolls in the Princess's dresses and the Girlie girlie times mostly? It must see students like a hundred percent. Let's go play football and call him a fucking tray with like. We always used to look bombed over this movie because it had stuff for both of us. 'cause Vice Bowl and then also you know relationships and also like took on the wall stuff as well but that was the time when nearly every time the I used to crawl. I must still just come up to me. God there's not crying in baseball and not stop me from crying like adorable. Isn't it obvious I was watching his? I was watching that scene where Tom Hanks is having a go at his Jimmy Dugan somebody go element missing the throwaway ever any as Ernie he's quite Trying using your head. That's that lump is three feet above your ass which I really love. And that's when she starts crying. There's no crying in baseball. I love it. The empire comes over. What's going on Jimmy? If she's crying so you treat them as Vita like keeping mother. I think he says even though Pena's own or something you get thrown out of the game which it really makes me chuckle Tom. Hanks he's wonderful in. This phone tastes so good sake. 'cause obviously he did bake with. Penny Marshall in the eighties. Which is another film. My APPs Newton the dual lally only live that. Fill up until the point when I hate the I. H Randall is sort of implications of the relationship could not so and then I was like eyes. Pay Gross aren't I just don't think about it. The law films. I should do that more weight than thinks about Is just a fairytale. It's just film at the end of the day. I did have been a shock this well whilst watching when you get when they're trying to the girls are trying to figure out ways to get more audience into watch them in a and you got. Madonna's May saying what what if a key moment of the game it's like my my youthful pops open a month a full allow and it got Donald character counts aside. You think there are many. This country hasn't seen her breasts Akkas a time when Rosie Odonnell was doing really well and this really mater and I really really like Radio. Donal sadly Just recently. She thinks she's been very well. I think it's more to do with mental health issues and saying that ten cm out news items here in the canal which was in a bit worrying which is a shame because I thought she was great. She was a lot hunt. Yeah she was. She was great when I mean she. She scillies Does very few films way you get to say. Laudi remain being competent to anything really. Yeah so that was a revelation for low fast ice in a young stage just looking at the screen. She's a fine. She's playing sports really good at it because he had she has self is brilliant. Baseball player says completely natural. They love it when that doing you know the montage of clips for the Games. They're playing and she catches bull Falls into that. Basically if some bloke the audience and she comes out with a hot dog you miss him but it's hot yoga mouth which I that. Yeah it's just so much fun at this woman. Little bit suspicious is making a TV series of it. Yeah I'll have a little so Amazon I think also play. I'll get an umbrella over I want to. I think it's just because the film is special. Yeah just quite Social Adam. Just this is also the Blue Ryan. I got which you can quite easily get. Hold off. Amit Scott's deleted things and as a deleted scene when Malla comes back because remember in the film Mala an he was very quiet. Shy Ray shoulders won his sings blues really badly hit the ball and she gets married and she leaves will they show a deleted scene. Which Penny Marshall? I think she was doing deferring to cut it but she had to And seen where MARLA comes back but she plays for a different team and she she comes back inheriting out playing against the Rockford peaches and she thinks that she might be pregnant so remember in the movie the cut that you see where at Dadis sat in her bedroom and she's crying arise out and her husband walks through the door and it's the same that fuller's Off The telegrams at bull in the telegram is going. It's still makes sense as completely makes sense. Then you watch this scene that Penny Marshall Cocktail which is mal running to the base plate and Dodie Stop said but then Marla goes flying over and takes a really bad full and then it's a question of whether or not she lost the baby. Because that's yeah. Yeah so that makes Makes more sense again. Y DOT TV crying bedroom. Afterwards she might be pregnant dotty. What have you done and that kind of stuff? Which is so fast SARS in two minds about whether I would have liked to have seen. That scene in. The film has easing in the already a little bit the way she cuts it from telegrams seen to how it is in the film Telegram seen to Dottie in a bedroom and a husband coming home slash. Think that's heavy enough. Maybe yeah just be by. I still think that that delivery guy from with the telegram easy good smacking good loads of a a fully understand from the movie point of view the ability of tension. Good Heavens might at least remunerated that misery. Jay's is stunned maybe like caught. You think they'd send someone to tell you that yet husband's dead like dude come on a hot. You Countess blasted And then of course. The news is delivered by by Jimmy on generally in a puddle. It's it's one of those movies that it's like it's hard to recommend to people in the sense that it's not really baseball film. But he's also not really a wolf film but it's also not really a film of a deceased is. It's all of those things wouldn't and somehow it does all lienz really mellow it's One brilliant relationship film and become a family is team anyway but it is just one major relationship film and the sports is great not knowing hugely about baseball but watching them play on the way people have spoken about it. They do it really well and a apparently to properly and they're doing it time fitting as well so based will gloves today have webbing between the fingers of the Balkan slip through into might you in the face but the gloves using in the forties didn't have that so the gloves goggles with using in the film. Most lending to use in practice that we get bulls coming through in smack in face and some broken noses and stuff would have cheekiest Kind of authentic baseball playing is not just a coup Put in this stunt doubles Because I still love that scene even though it's movie magic. I love that moment when some hoping all over the place in is still don't when Dottie and hit and Marla I arrive at the field for tryouts and what's the name doors throws the baseball at Kit and she ducks and dotty catches it one. Behan to sign on there. That's not magic and I was cut Associate boss still bloody Lovett Loved that moment so much when she does the split to catch bull united Unnecessary I love it and in the world series where she some running to catch the foul dotty decision she runs and she catches it but the same time basically has to jump in full into the the players pit a level that it's really fantastic mover. Yeah this this has many vets. Don't glide actually. There's not much a fine boring about it now not get through. It's been awhile since I've seen you know. I think the last time I saw it was actually at your house which was too many years ago. But he's genuinely one of those films that long could happily watch it now appropriate happily watch again in compliments like. It's just so much to appreciate the film and on top of the fact that it's just chuck out with Amazing Women Doing Competently is such an oval. Great cost is even go in Tagliani. Who is she's not Shangahi script in the film? You just say player and she plays on the Racine Belles team but she would go onto play lots of different staff. She thinks she's in drastic. Pal Ray maybe swell but on TV. She's just finished Madam Secretary. She did that Four five Selena and which is really good series and today she was in that to Such a great cost and Jon Lovitz as well plenty. Love Him in it. Yeah I think he To think he's almost perfect movie. Yeah Yeah it's just that sometimes the opiates are forget about it. I mean I love the school fucking get hold of the score. I'd love to you because it's it's fun that reading moving and that kind of I guess spoke film. Kinda highpoints to as well which sounds ridiculous. Now it makes. Perfect sense are really. Yeah I just stupidly and really pathetically it does make me wish there was somewhere around here. I could go to join the team and play Bass will some things because actually guy might actually truly enjoy playing even if I could get up the fitness for me. The case of things falling ice won't mile told him. Alive always loved playing rounds enough around us as really great fun anthem. I even go a baseball and owner. Not Dad will play catch with me and one of the trips. He went to America. He got me a baseball and the baseball head on it. Mocking on the way your fingers would be placed to throw the different style of pitches. So House Bill. Sobel have which is really cool. I think I found that there was a softball team somewhere in marriage. But the bug is never seen to ever be playing Reading still exists with them still having any form of social media presence online. I'll east to any of it. Be Good at Sports. That involve getting things a wife Jacqueline in shot put for a while when I used to really does now of the of the noodle but not much better an quite concerned about what's going on around the stomach area to actually get again getting swimming. Poland do physical things run on my ass at work. 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Everything You Need to Know About Paramount+

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Everything You Need to Know About Paramount+

"Hello everyone and welcome to slash film daily for thursday february twenty fifth twenty twenty one on today's episode of the show. We are going to be talking about the latest film and tv news. My name is ben pearson on the senior writer at slash. Home dot com. And i'm joined on today's episode y slash film weakened editor brad omen. It's me and writers. Why turnby happy one and christopher and elissa. Hello guys so most of what we're going to talk about today involves paramount plus which is yet another streaming service This one is actually sort of a streaming service that already existed before a cbs. All access is being rebranded into paramount. Plus and it's going to be launching early next month And yesterday viacom. Cbs the parent company of paramount. Plus had this big investor day presentation where they Starting late yesterday evening. Just like unleashed a torrent of news about this new streaming service including some pricing information. And how they're going to be handling the move up movies that are going to be coming out theatrically and then when those are going to be coming onto the service and a ton of new. Tv shows they announced. I figured You know there's not much going We're going to just skip watercooler this week in a role that into next week's show so since all of paramount plus news came out last night. Let's talk about it. Let's let's run through some of these big news items that hit n. I'll kick things off by talking a little bit about the tv show that they announced. So i'm not gonna go through all of these. You can encourage people to click on the links in the show. They wanna learn more about any of this. But i'll give you some of the quote unquote highlights. I guess of some of these. These programs that are being made i guess adapted from other sources and turn into tv shows on paramount plus so basically they're mining alive the paramount film library for ideas here so Love story based on the really popular alley mcgarrell ryan. O'neal romance is being adapted into a film as is flashdance the italian job fatal attraction and parallel view. The italian job is the only one there that that has anything like super interesting in that. Is that it is actually going to be a sequel to the michael caine heist movie from nineteen sixty nine. So it doesn't have anything to do with the two thousand and three remake that was Popularized in and start up mark wahlberg and charlies thrown this. One revolves around the grandchildren of the legendary. Charlie croker was played by michael caine in the original who inherit his old safety deposit box in reignite the quest for the infamous italian bouillon. So that kinda sounds like they're doing the. The old ghostbusters afterlife. Kind of affect For that one. The paramount pluses resurrecting a ton of shows including reality tv documentary series like the real world homecoming new york Yo mtv raps behind the music which was a staple on. Vh one many years ago unplugged. There's frazier revival Beavis and butthead is getting a new movie. I mean there's so much here to talk about and again i'm not gonna go through every single one of these but i just wanted to throw this out to you guys. Get your general sense Especially chris brat who i know we're sort of in the trenches with me last night like riding up all this stuff as it was a being released. What do you guys think about the overall shape of the stuff that paramount plus has announced what you make of this streaming service in its in. Its early early incarnation here. I none of the sounds that exciting. Especially the the the idea where they're like we're gonna take a bunch of movies we own and turn. The tv shows like parallel view. Is fucking great movie. And i do not wanna see that as some like generic thriller tv show. I really do not so I'm a lot of this is just like you know mystifying stuff you know. I know paramount. It's hard to compete with disney. It's hard to compete with. How warner brothers doing their thing with releasing all their twenty twenty one stuff straight to each max but this all feels like bargain basement like like what else we got your mtv wraps. It just doesn't sound like there's any real excitement to be happier brad. Any thoughts yeah. I mean it's the biggest thing is just like paramount's viacom. Cbs the parent company. They don't have quite the impressive array of properties and stuff to really get excited about. Are there some things here that i am interested in Sure you know i. I grew up watching houston butthead. And so i'm intrigued to see what a series revival And the tv movie that leads into it is going to be like You know as somebody who grew up on nick toons. I'm at least curious. About the rugrats reboot since brings back the original cast Even though you know it doesn't have the same charm as that original two d animation down. Computer animated I you know. I'm i'm intrigued by some of the you know. The documentary non fiction fan of stuff like i love behind the music on vh. One i'm a big foo fighters fan. I feel like the documentary series featuring dave grohl and his mom you know could be interesting and so there's certain things that i'm at the very least curious about but there's nothing here that jumps out to me something like oh i'm gonna i'm gonna definitely have to watch that. Yeah the dave grohl thing is called from two stage which tells stories of the special relationship between successful musicians and their moms and as you mentioned that there's a rugrats reboot that has a whole like. Cg vibe I guess. One of the things i should mention is that We previously knew some stuff that was coming to paramount plus was confirmed or reconfirmed. The most maybe the most important is there's going to be more. Spongebob squarepants content that. They're they're really leaning into the kid aspect there's gonna be a live action dora the explorer show back shin the fairly odd parents show And with rugrats. Thing that you just mentioned i mean it seems like they're you know a lot of the obviously disney pluses like families but Guessing in terms of like the larger streaming service landscape This seems like it has some stuff that people that younger audiences are actually going to be interested in whether or not their parents will know enough about paramount plus to subscribe to it in you know. Put that in front of him. remains to be seen Because one of the other big things the service has to offer is its relationship with taylor. Sheridan who wrote hell or high water and is behind the series yellowstone which is very popular. But i've never seen it. But i i i hear that it's one of the popular shows or maybe even the most popular show on cable right now and they are going full on in the taylor. Sheridan business. I think he has. There's a yellowstone prequel series. there's a yellowstone spinoff series that was announced for paramount. Plus there's another show that he's working on Called mayor of kingstown. That stars jeremy renner. And then there's another show that is set in west texas. That taylor sheridan is involved with so i mean he is really like their guy when it comes to creating content for the service Issue i don't know if you've had a chance to like a deep dive into everything paramount plus has to offer. But what are your first impressions. Hear about all the stuff that we've sort of mentioned in what you know about this so far. My first impression was wow. That's a lot of ip that they're going to go back to the well for and my second impression was. How are they going to make a remake of the parallel do because the entire point of that film was that there are no actual solutions or easy resolutions ritchie conspiracy. So i feel like it would be uniquely unsuited being remade into a tv series or whatever Paramount plus will will make it into so that seems like a strange to me but yet seemed like paramount plus is really gearing up the tried to compete with other streamers like disney plus each remarks And it's taking the route that issue max doing by playing into nostalgia so heavily but i think like brad said They don't have a lot of properties that have as much wide appeal as warner warnermedia. Brothers does it's. They're definitely kind of grasping for straws with some of these titles. I mean star. Trek is one of paramount's biggest viacomcbs like biggest projects and they have like tons of shows that are that were on. Cbs all access. That will be ported over to paramount plus so There's like a big franchise tien. They're one of the other big film projects that they are film. Ip's that they own is mission. Impossible in there has not been any sort of announcement about a mission. Impossible show but that seems like the kind of thing that if they want to mind their own. Ip at least do it with something that has like a cultural cachet behind it. You know. But i don't know i mean they're also looking to revive a criminal minds which is like a very straight down the middle procedural network previously network show but like a ton of people watch criminal minds unlike maybe this shotgun approach of Aiming at all different types of audiences in all different types of content never not necessarily providing the most flashy thing on display but just having a lot of stuff that that sort of runs the gamut between potential audiences. Maybe that's an approach. That could work. I mean i think for us like we look at this. And i don't want to speak for everybody on this podcast but i i look at this and say oh my god like another streaming service with all of this shit on it. But that's just. Because i subscribe to all of the ones that have already exist. Hill that already exist. I know that a lot of people in the country don't on around the world don't to all the ones that i subscribe to so maybe You know if people are are trying to take their pick. Maybe this is going to be the one that sort of a rings the bell for them. So i don't know it's hard to be like all of this. Sounds like complete trash I'm not like super excited about any one thing. But it's not like quitting where i think all of us from the very beginning. Where like i don't know about this. This seems like it's gonna go under six months and it pretty much. Did i feel like perma. Plus could stick around for a while to has a lot of stuff that theoretically people might care about. But i don't know. I'm i'm a little curious to see how this how this launch works. And what sort of reaction They get from people in what their subscriber numbers start to look like at least in the first year. And maybe that'll give us a better sense of what sort of strategy they're going to develop going forward but let's move on to some of the Specifics within the paramount plus umbrella chris. They have a tv show. That is going to be a pretty big name property that a lot of people are gonna care about. I'm curious to see if people are gonna care enough to subscribe to a new service but Tell us about one of the big shows that they're gonna to have its The halo tv show based on the very popular halo video game series on. This was originally supposed to go to showtime but now it is going to paramount plus instead so there you go. Sorry everyone with a showtime subscription. Who is really excited to watch halo. You have to sign up for paramount. Plus now i kind of wonder if showtime is going to like how they're going to make it at this point. 'cause that seems like a sort of network saver can show for them. Yes it is interesting. I do wonder like how like you just said how this is going all workout for. Does anyone belonged many more. I feel like no one subscribes to show time. I don't i don't know how popular service that is at this point it feels like it's an outlier so maybe it will go away. Was it rolled into paramount plus. Yeah so that was one of the big like original tv show properties that is going to be coming there and there actually are. They're going to be working on original films at paramount. Plus as well and chris you heard about a couple of those last night. Tell us about that Yeah so the paranormal activity sequel reboot. Everyone call it. We we've known this was coming for a while you know that. Christopher landon is writing it. He wrote the happy death. They films and He he directed freaky. He's writing the script. And william eubank who directed the surprisingly good underwater horror. Movie underwater is directing it and we knew that was on the way and now we've learned that that's going straight to paramount plus also going straight paramount plus is a pet cemetery prequel and this is going to jump off of the the recent two thousand and nineteen pet cemetery film and has the same writer. Jeff bueller is pending the script. We don't know a whole lot about that. We just know. It's going to explore the origins. If you will of the haunted burial ground that that can raise the dead and those are both going straight to paramount. Plus other stuff is going the theaters first and then eventually paramount plus but this these two titles are just going right there okay. So let's tackle these one by one real quick. What do you think about a paranormal activity. Movie going straight to like a streaming service. Chris it seems to me like those movies are best seen in theaters right like with most. I don't know it depends. And maybe i'm wrong about this because you watch way more horror movies than i do And the horror landscape has changed a lot especially in the past year with a ton of stuff going to be a deep. You think a horror movie like that Which you know. Previously every film in the franchise went straight to the went to theaters Can survive and thrive going straight to a streaming service like this. I don't know if again survive and thrive. But i do feel like they're they're sort of hedging their bets. Here i mean each subsequent sequel in the series did worse and worse at the box office l. Really okay. i didn't know that. I kind of feel like they were all moderate hits or some were big hits and then but i feel like the last few films in the series did not do so well and that's why the series stopped really because it got to a point where no one really cared anymore. So i kind of feel like that's kind of why they're sort of like wow do. We wanna risk dropping this into theaters in having it not do well you know. Cut our losses and send his right to paramount plus yeah and of course with all these streaming services. Nobody will ever know if only three total people watch the stuff because they don't have to release the numbers so in terms of the pet cemetery prequel. I'm curious has is there ever. Has there ever been any precedent for this. Like in. has stephen king ever written a short story. That set in before the source material in his book has ever been a movie that flashes back the events before the first one. I haven't seen haven't engaged with pet cemetery at all. But i know that you're a big king fan and you know this Property really well. Stephen king actually has a few short stories that sort of act as prequels or sequels to two things. he's he's written there's a there's a story. He wrote called jerusalem's lot which is a prequel to salem slot. And so there is precedent there. There isn't president for pet cemetery. But there's a lot of stuff in the book that you could mine sort of for a prequel if you will. I mean It's baked into the narrative really because the burial ground has been there for hundreds and hundreds of years maybe even longer so you can always jump off of that and you know. The pet cemetery story is senator of that out. Siders come into this area where burial ground is in the borough ground has been in this the small maintain for centuries really so you could build off of that so i i know some people were iffy on the two thousand and nineteen pet cemetery. I really liked it. A pet cemetery in general is my favorite stephen king. Property is my favorite book. He's written i. I love the one thousand nine hundred nine movie. I really liked two thousand nineteen movie. I even like the sequel to the previous film which is not based on anything. Stephen king wrote but it has a fun goofy charm to it. So i'm all in on this. I know a lot of people won't be but i'm a sucker for pet cemetery. So i very curious about us all right so brad. In all of the chaos. That happened last night. I saw a headline about how paramount plus. It's going to be handling their the movies. And and you know what happens after a film debuted and then comes to the streaming service. But i confess that. I have not had time to read about this in detail. So please enlighten me and hopefully our listeners. About what the heck. The paramount movie strategy is for the streaming service. Oh it would be my pleasure So paramount is essentially following in the footsteps that universal pictures warner brothers. Pictures have already been taking by shortening. The theatrical window universal was the first one to really shake things up by reducing their theatrically. Theatrical exclusive window to just seventeen days and so a lot of their mid range on lower-profile movies have been in theaters just just for under a few weeks before going to veto. D to be available for a premium rental and then one of brothers came along and Did something even crazier by making all of their theatrical releases in twenty twenty one available day in date on. hbo max for thirty one. Days and paramount Is actually being a little less extreme when it comes to their approach so They will be sending some of their major blockbuster busters to paramount plus with a shortened theatrical window. But this yesterday when there will be forty five days instead of the traditional ninety days that studios usually keep movies in theaters for before they head to vod so the a specific titles that were mentioned so far where mission impossible seven a quiet place. Part to an top maverick Those are the three biggest blockbusters that will arrive on paramount plus forty five days after they hit theaters. They also mentioned that there. There's a police patrol movie that will also follow the same route but I don't think we have a lotta paul patrol fans on the slash room listenership. I'm sure plenty of parents. Probably know about it and it's going gonna drive them crazy 'cause we'll have to watch it over and over again but Just tell your kids that don't have paramount plus so you want to worry about on but yeah so so. They're being a little less extreme when it comes to shortening the window but they're definitely following the footsteps. You know A viable path for building their subscribers In releasing these movies to paramount plus. And one thing that will Also be helping paramount pluses that they've also renewed a deal with paramount. Pictures that are new to deal with. Epochs that will give epochs. Ninety day exclusive pay tv window for paramount's movies and mgm is also doing the same thing so movies like no time to die and creed three after. They've hit theaters And gone through the vod route when they first hit pay tv. They'll be available on ethics for ninety days exclusively before they head to paramount plus and then later available on other cable channels and whatnot so for people who might not know the difference between pay tv and and vod. Brad can just like explain that real quick. Yeah for sure. That's a good question so pay-tv we're talking about channels like the epochs is is a pay tv channel. Hbo cinemax showtime and so they'll get movies to play from studios before they end up on basic cable when you were talking about channels like fx or tnt or tbs so when these movies are available on pay tv they'll be available exclusively through epochs for ninety days before they'd be made available to any other potential outlet that would like to play them and then after that -clusive window mgm Ann perrine Paramount movies will be available to stream on paramount. Plus gotcha okay. So the one thing that. If i'm understanding you right i just wanna like lay this out and make sure that i'm getting this correct especially for these big movies mission impossible. Seven top gun maverick. For example they are are they locked into a forty five day Debut on paramount because like for the universal deal that happened in twenty twenty when when all this was just sort of forming and the The window was breaking all of that kind of stuff. They think their plan was something like if we want to. We can release a movie you know to to a streaming platform or to pay tv or whatever Within seventeen days or something but if the movie is performing well in theaters if if we release fast nine and makes a lot of money in theaters. We're not locked in to putting that we can basically hold it in theaters for as long as we want to keep making money in theaters but it sounds like this is a different thing right like there are actually locked into okay. Forty five days after it debuted in theaters. You are going to be able to see these movies. Is that right. Yeah that they specifically announced that These these three movies and the pulpit trump movie They will be sending them to paramount. Plus forty five days after their theatrical release. Now that's not necessarily something that will follow for all of their big blockbusters. I think this is probably doing initially to help boost paramount pluses numbers as the year goes on Because a lot of You know the pandemic castillo thing and even look into later this year. You'll probably still have people who are apprehensive about going to movie theaters. And so i think that they wanna make sure that they're able to You know benefit themselves elsewhere if the theatrical numbers aren't doing as well as they they might hope so this way if these movies aren't huge Box office earners than they'll at least recoup. Maybe a little bit more by having people sign up for paramount plus in the interim to watch them forty five days after they hit theaters and then And interestingly enough to This is just further biggest blockbuster. Some of their mid range movies may actually have shorter theatrical window because there is talk that some paramount movies may end up being released a paramount plus thirty days after theatrical release. So so it's just these bigger movies that they're giving a little bit longer theatrical window to okay so with all of this in mind. hd let's go to you. How much will it cost to subscribe to paramount. Plus and get all the stuff that we've been talking about. It will actually cost cheaper to subscribe to paramount. Plus a did for cbs. All access apparent pluses producing its base. Ads put a tear by one. Dollar is charging four nine per month. versus cbs. All access former five ninety nine per month but this is the base package the full paramount plus premium tier with no ads except for life. Programming will be the same at nine per month But there is a little bit of a catch with that base ad-supported tear it won't include a cbs local cbs stations. In its live programming. So we'll include live sports like nfl games but no local cbs stations As a way of basically appealing to a wider demographic and giving paving the way for more content than cbs. All access had This is basically a A move in the direction for the younger cord cutting demographic i is the more elderly demographic that cbs typically had and obviously part of the whole rebranding fairmount plus. Yes okay so. I guess we might as well go around the circle and just say whether or not we would pay this much for all of the stuff that we've just been talking about Do you think it would be worth it to you to you. Know to watch mission possible seven a month and a half after the release for. Let's say for ninety nine a month so many streaming services already. Maybe it'd be worth it. If the next i'm going to talk about is something that i actually is a franchise i'm actually very invested in. And if they put a lot of stuff on paramount plus may be. I would be interested in investing. Okay brad. yeah let's go to you. Is there anything here you know. You mentioned that. Dave grohl show you mentioned beavis and butthead anything else like a peak your interest enough where you're actually going to think about paying that price so an position right now where. I subscribed to the bundle that Apple tv plus put out there. Where if you sign up for apple tv plus you can also sign up for both. Cbs all access and showtime for a reduced price where it cost Half each cbs. Ashes of time cost half as much as it would. If you subscribe to individually. And i'm still sign up for that and it's supposed to remain active even after. Cbs all access become paramount. Plus so because of that. I will probably stick with it however if i were forced to subscribe to paramount plus separately. I not necessarily sure that i would go through with it. Yeah chris what about you. The pet cemetery seems like a big deal for you is that is that going to be enough. Or any. Any like the fraser reboot you worry about that to like to throw down a few bucks a month hussy man i i already have sony so many streaming services and like when that pet cemetery Arise i'm gonna email someone and be like send me a screener. Like if i if i didn't have access to that sort of stuff. Maybe i would. But i you know i just on a temporary basis. If you didn't have screeners you might do like free trial or something just watch. It doesn't sound like it's something that you would like actively stick with for a little while you know. Hbo max netflix and hulu and amazon prime and shudder in the criterion channel and disney plus. It's like i. I can't imagine getting the dream with the streaming services was that we could cut the cord no longer be tethered. Too expensive cable plans and hours got to pay even than we ever paid for cable because we have to sign up to everything. I just want i dream of one streaming service. That has everything on it. Someone someone invent that. I'm sure you can make that happen. Someone all right. So you alluded to the story that we're going to mention here and it being a franchisor a property near and dear to your heart so tell us about that yes Avatar last year batter is coming back to nickelodeon Nickelodeon is launching an avatar studios a newly formed content division that is dedicated holy and singularly singularly to avatar less air bender Expanding the world of Air bender and legend of cora through a series of feature films animated shows. What have you that will be arriving either in theaters or paramount plus or On nickelodeon various channels so this is Very exciting news for people who have been Keeping up with the long and troubled production for the net flicks live action Avatar air bender serious original creators of the series. Michael de martino and brian yet. Sco who were set to Produce sent sort of steer. The netflix live action. Adaptation left the put the project in a huff last summer over creative differences and it seems they've taken like the most hilariously petty of course of action they could do is form their own production studio. That's just dedicated to avatar. Last air bender Flipping a little middle finger to net flix and we can do what we want. We're making All avatar stuff for netflix for nickelodeon which welcomed him back with open arms. Hopefully after seeing how much a renewed interest there has been for avatar last bender after. It hit netflix streaming last summer and They're basically giving all the resources to de martino gone yet. Go to a form at are they are the co creative co created co chief creative officers for avatar studios and the first project that comes out of the studio is an original animated. Theatrical films can be hitting theaters. And it's a it's a very exciting thing does especially coming from Deamer tino fuego and Something that a lot of avatar fans have been really craving more sort of material and more expansion of the world that we've been getting somewhat in legend cora and in comics and novels but i feel like aptx Render is a franchise. That's really ripe for all kinds of storytelling and for this kind of really focused storytelling to like. If they make a theme park. I would actually be happy about it. So this is yeah. This is really exciting although it is kind of ironic that nickelodeon is putting all this money in now. Realizes that after less renders jim after effectively burying legend of cora while it was on the air so just kind of ironic but a sweet irony. Now that steve martino get to do what they want with the series. So do you think that there's a chance that they make their own live action of avatar. The last airman or series. That sort of like directly competes with the netflix version. Or was this Was there something in this announcement that basically said that. They're sticking to animation albouy through this. This first project is animated. They didn't Rule out anything live action wise. And i think it would be really hilarious and Wouldn't be outside of the box if they did decide to go for live action The net live action series is still in development for now. There have been rumors around the avatar fan community that there are a lot of there've been a lot of changes to the source material which is a why di martino were so unhappy aging ups of various characters changing of ethnicities. And that kind of thing. So yeah it would be definitely a boss move on martino Part to just do their own. Live action series to help netflix's version of though i do think net have a little bit more cash. Burn than nickelodeon probably Cash also like cultural cultural awareness. Rate like you know. we're talking about paramount. Pluses brand new subscription service. And like even if they do put their own live action thing on here. It's they're fighting an uphill battle. They have to have declined paramount mountain to to use terms that they've been using their their own marketing. Yeah to be able to. I mean just like the the sheer number of eyeballs. That's gonna be on that live. Action show on. Netflix is going to completely dwarf. Whatever is going to happen on paramount plus probably an in its first year or so so that seems like maybe an uphill battle but they would be at least an amusing one for us to watch from the outside. So maybe that will happen. But okay so I guess i think. That's i think that's going to bring us to the end of today's episode of slash on daily. You can find more about all of the short stories that we mentioned in the show notes for today's episode. This podcast is published every weekday. 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How to Make a Heady Cocktail of Drink, Travel, and Adventure

Lush Life

49:26 min | 6 months ago

How to Make a Heady Cocktail of Drink, Travel, and Adventure

"There was a time. And i am so glad that it's over when all you heard was print is dead. It's all about online now as much as i love my blog. There is nothing like holding a book or magazine in your hands and cuddling into the sofa to read it. Thank goodness my guess. Felt the same way on susan schwartz. You're drinking companion and this is lush life podcast. every week. We're inspired to live life on cocktail at a time. Three weeks ago the nita. Fernando and rob. Ellison launched the tonic magazine. The world's newest drinks magazine. Or should i say a headache cocktail of drink travel and adventure. They've collected stories. All about booze that reach from north korea to iceland to haiti san francisco and back again so warm up that mold wine nestle into your couch and settled in to find out how benita and rob mix up all those ingredients and created the tonic magazine. Before that i wanted to tell you about an initiative that my low walker a pass lush lifer has put together to help out of work bartenders. The cocktail factory dot. Uk is a monthly cocktail subscription club. And every month they partner with a bartender made redundant by covid nineteen to create a range to delicious ready to drink bespoke cocktails to directly support the bartenders they work with fifty percent of all prophets goes to them so check it out the next time you want cocktail delivery now onto benita an rob. I was so excited to get my copy of tonic. Which i'm holding in my hands right now. And i am lucky enough to have the one with my cocaine on the cover because you know i love. My cocaine is a heady cocktail. Drink travel adventure which we all need right now. So i want to know everything about how you got to this day and how i am holding in my hands. Maybe we'll start with benita. Why don't you start with a little bit about where you grew up show so i grew up in suburban melbourne in australia. The daughter of italian immigrants mish to australia after the war when his ten an-and ustralian mum. So i had the best of both worlds great fade and good barbecue at the same time. I studied to be a teacher when tini sunny to teach and came bahia fifteen either going to get a bit more experienced than that had managed classrooms. Because that's what I was dating when i came Match announcer about twelve months. I started to teach online and the great thing about about bang starting and coming to the. Uk's that you know you can travel. Every time. i wanted to go anywhere abroad. It was always like an epic. It had been epic adventure. Couldn't just be a joint so it was really. It was really quite cool to be in london and to be able to travel to europe. Whenever i felt like it or even new york understand passer states really quickly as did a lot of traveling. Obviously my roots are in italy. Got to spend a lotta time with family. That i didn't know initially before so that was pretty cool and then i was here for about just after the twelve month period. I met this one in a pup naturally not true nine the meeting the meeting. Did you always know that you wanted to be a teacher. It was one of those really stupid things when i was growing up. My brother always is really like definite about what he wanted to be. He wanted to get loya. He watched ally lord he was gonna be. The state and i was a couple years younger than he meant. Felt really immature. Because i didn't know what. I wanted to be so. He sits marijuana Decide united just think of the things that you can decide My decision hilariously was based on the fact that i wanted to a nice close to wick. It adds end. I wanted to have holidays off and have to. I wanted to have a family and you know like a. I was gonna made the decision pro family so i wanted a job that was conducive to family us going talion environment. That was very potent. And that's kind of the basis of why my decision to be a teacher. And i and i did really do still dabble invitation and i do really enjoy like sharing knowledge in helping people. That's the main thing that i that i enjoy about doing doing that but for me. It's it's the transitioning to add. Things has been basically because you know varieties responsible And i found that just teaching was just too much. it's too draining it with too emotionally exhausting so using my modestly as make made it much more fun to teach and much more fun to do other things have been talliin more than once a going to italy. How do you remember the table. The eating the drinking. What were some of your favorite things that you may be brought with you here. The first thing you weren't to try in their in real life. Well it's a funny one because like you know the. The family extended family in australia. Always kind of get together and you know there was one uncle who made wine on might salami so those sorts of gatherings where people are making stuff together a Billions and it's like one of the things that i love doing is when a guy i love to go see my auntie tool wanna fade me. Which is great. So i have to be careful and the the one hundred wine god love them. It's not great has to be done to. We them with lemonade in order to make it palatable but but it's nice united sharing kind of thing it's also really strong on. I'm not a big strong drinker of alcohol. So the other people might actually types really good but for me is too potent when it comes to the things that i the one thing that i really wanted to do. When i came over here was to visit the extended family intimate deb's aunts and cousins and uncles and stuff and and that for me that was that was priceless. That just be able to connect with people anticipate people who look like my dad and oma aunties and stuff inside end to end to realize that there's just this time and space separates people they still so much similarity there and it was funny actually going to visit family in 'cause they're from the south in calabria in That flew into the and going to end the nice thing. What's your data the table and it would be the same experience Dishes like manina was really good at teaching. My mom had a kook the right way according to my dad. And so you'd sit down at the table and it would be possible the way that the way that might not make pasta And it was the glass of wine in the little. Kitty you know the the small Not be cut of fancy glass you know just as kinds of things just suck At the time it was just really. That's the stuff i think is really cool at. How would you rob whereabout may. Well i was wound in west midland's small town code will also. My parents came ova with my grandparents in the late fifties from jamaica when the big dry from the commonwealth came to come over and help out and building stuff and it was a factory town. Those factors there at the time which mostly manufacturing an pottsville 'cause engines and things like that. So they came over to do that. And y'all was born that so my experience of growing up was it was community kind of knew everybody if you went related to them in some way you knew them. You went to school with their brother. Oh that steroid So there was no getting away. And it's tom. That's very much. But i was growing up known by its pubs so every of the straits that used to be. You know that. And that's where the community walls and those days it was very smokey now filled me fest cigarette smoke. And that's how you always said that you gave directions. I grew up given directions. Do not have to get to this place. Yeah will you go down the road to the great dragon. You take a left to the bottom of the road you get to the wave you go over the roundabout if you get to the duke of york onto what a comeback that smile you gave you directions because that's how and Exam back a while now before the days of mobile phones and stuff he wants to make your friend then it would be like Wait ceva clock. In being that he'd be it'd be way to nevada is gonna turn up as been stopped. Does you have to go and do an errand. But that's how d- way we operated. We still do operate by by a by the pumps. That's that's all that's satnav on relation. Well since you brought up jamaica was your family. Were they romped drinkers. Your you know family cook. In a certain way they brought over us adopt english cuisine. Right away unknown roy to weigh this strange one because now of english cuisine. Nothing maybe because she's old kids have gone now when she's around so maybe full full easy don't quickness she. She has a lot of english cuisine but growing up. There was a lot of west indian cuisine. Rice pays jason lamb goats these sorts of things at funerals or weddings or things. Like that White come out the Nephew staple the staple drink red. If you come out in the guineas punch as i always remember my. You know when you're young. You have that smell of manon. Making the The in nash. The you know the the milk Nutmeg and it smells so nice. I don't even know what guinness punches roberta of this. Yes so fun sorry. I'm trying to re record was on the the hunch whenever inches. Yes she's not really going to give away with nothing but the seat was is that it gives me a little bit to drink because young have a little bit to drink tasted up not who we had a kind of nice. But i'll always remember. Sometimes i'd go. Ooh but that guineas thing looks kind of nice as well and then earlier continental us helpless. Give me some tastes. It'd be like all that is the worst thing in the world. Why would any adult wants to drink something that is so hideous and then of course couple decades later. It's you know these fine. It's great but yeah i remember. That was that so cuisine and then the english cuisine there was anything that was battered. So anything that you could anything in a fryer that that that took a couple of minutes. Then that that was that was edible. Then moving to london nap became a bit of a shock that you could have things that one tried british cuisine that wasn't from fright yet. So you both matt a lot of years past We've been together for a while. Tell me about the inception of the magazine and what the idea even came from because you could have done a magazine about anything. Really why drake's in particular initiative came to london in ninety nine for music afa few of my friends one of the only ones left because we we came for glory Became to take the music will still and with you know. We love to tell the story with investors to tell the stories while and we were always in pubs. If not that drinking wibble playing that we would always gay in pubs invading the heritage of pubs and it was that thing of of happy night gig at a central place. You go to. That never really looked like anything to to speak up. It did look great but then when you look at the walls and new sold the types of musicians that playing that you alike all yet. They played that. We're that of one day we're going to be you know whether it was just that sort of aspirations. Even under flows sticky and it was really sort of a touchdown it just had such history so when the time came What kind of magazine is it gonna be. You know we sitting down thinking about it. You know we've mentioned that. Why don't we do one about this to the history. The background of alcohol. There's a of articles that are that are out about you. Know the education the business side of things like that but nothing that goes back into d. d. Why this drink is light. Did you know that in this part of the world. They drink this drink. That so fits in with my background. Basically where. I kind of came from in that sort of environment of being in a pub and ten in the story in having that sort of background that that appeal to make i guess even before that the question is why did you even want to start a magazine. We didn't to sue now. What in this world where they keep telling us that you know magazines. It's all about online. Let me upper holding something reading that. So i was thrilled to have it in between my mets. But now i think you've answered a little bit of it of your storytellers storytellers. What was the little seed. That started this so i think for us. It's it's it's that thing where we're kind of in that in between age where we grew up without technology and there was much more time to save a things you know when we were growing up we actually lived experiences unanalogous by nieces and they instant and quicken know that's happened. Okay now. let's move onto the next thing Attention spans not not bear For us we want something that last something that people can save up and something. That will be timeless. And that's we don't think that's unlimited. We don't engage on with very present online and we were building a a strong followership online. We think that's really important but we also think it's important to have something that's not that lost that that i can pick up in in a year and got on that story. Let me let me remind myself of it and enjoy it and also like there is nothing better than peaking out something that's freshly printed and having a good And feeling the texture. If if you pick up like the magazine you've got their season it if you pick it up field as a texture to the outside of it we've made we've tried to make it a real visceral experience. If that's like you can feel it. You can smell the book you can. In fact book. it's more than magazine. The other thing is we really like a challenge. People are saying you know printed printed did. We didn't think it is. We were talking about long records the other day and people being talking about long playing records thing. Lp's being dead for a long time but now you know the market out records is really strong. People like to collect things. People like to have faced Special items and nine now like you say the vinyl is doing really well. Cassette tape apparently is making is making a comeback as well the us vhs. But i think that with magazine exotic was i think it was something which was more than just the stories i think it was the the challenge was could we make something an actual product that just beyond the stories. The images the playlist that Maybe he wanted to talk about later. But something that was data you could hold and when you look at it. It's a hundred percent recycled paper. That ink is vegetable based so vegetable based dye so creating this kind of bespoke products that will go to You know select group of people and really attract their retention and grab their attention not just as their flicking unauthorized myself will not be great to wherever somewhere in the world and it's great to see the people around the world s that starting to get it to that you've got their attention for a while not just not just a fleet or over. Click as well. So you have this idea to do the history of cocktails. Did you know immediately that you wanna tristan to be the editor. While the patrician. He was somebody that know for awhile. And he's somebody that's always been print based it never really done anything digital so also enough. I'm gonna go into this. I'm going to need somebody who understands it. You know an israeli in it. So i approached him about the project and yet he was really excited about it and he went yet offic on. Oh some people that would the lights get involved in it. And also there's another connection so jason. It's from the same part of the country has rugged from that i had. I had a little bit of a abound. Dan that bites from the west midlands site jason. He's from Which is a big pasha. Still unite like by united in the vicinity of birmingham. He'd come to you with ideas of different topics or did you throw it out there to the writers new instead. Come back to us with some ideas that way. Yeah he's the person that really wait. We deal with all of this whole of design and production the images on all of that to tristan so job is to get the articles and so he went out to the to the people that he knew and Articles your really impressed with what he's got a my gosh. I learned so much and saying that you know especially about the negroni all these years. We've all been saying. Oh it's count camillo negroni when there may not be an account county. Might you story for years. It's funny how like a lot of as kind of myths Crop about different deeper drinks and stuff. And it's funny. How they just kind of amplified amplified at the time in the novitiate. Somebody goes actually really that will happen. kindergarten you know. North korea north and iceland. You know it's it's really a as you say it's you know it's it's it's much of a travel magazine and history maxine as it is no drink magazine which tastic and you brought it up. Rob the music end. You have a playlist to go along with each article. You i thought was fabulous. I was like why. I wish i had known that at the beginning now i make the greatest that i now want to go back read. Those articles The music playing behind it was that was i. I am assuming and of course you probably. Hopefully you're saying yes that was in your hands. Use words music. yeah yes. Ima was invite domain. The thing is as far as the articles will come in quite so you know. Visual personnel was here. Soundtracks was going in my mind anyway so i was reading them. Does that song might go with that one will. I was listening to that song that might grow enough with a. Why don't put a playlist together. You know something and again. This is something that. I wanted to take outside of the outside of the magazine. So yeah as originate. You've got things that may in the plane lists. That may be obvious. Light in the negroni track for example so you think okay that but they would you know other tracks scenarios while in that. Is that the the person that rotate baby from the area that we talk about data things like that so so it's also Venture basically to wanna missing to the planet or why is that one. That's because that's related to that you know because he was born narrowed it or it was recorded narrow something so yes new bit of easter egg. Now i got my magazine with cocaine on the car. Okay but i hear that there are two covers you while we decided to give people a little bit of a choice. So we've got to cover of one of the things that about tonic. They send the designer who did a really good job in designing the whole thing. Was that on. The front decided to have a tonic moment. So on on the front hair. We've got to diana ross. A michael caine annette both tonic moments and the reason that we've got With do they have We've got michael. Cain is that michael caine represents that sort of six days coming out of the wall. It will stay now. The depression everything in a lot of money was it was. it was really tough goalie. came from the east end of london very working class than you know. Market traders and all that sort of thing and here is here coming out of that. The swinging sixties in the james bond was just about. You have the mini skirts. You know the mini in theory was wasted. They isn't the italian job. But the italian job was all sorts of glamour. The beatles the storms and everything. And so michael caine on the front of that with the co titled in his hand. So of represents that a not was for us. The tonic moment. That england was coming out of that. So will will to depression. Was you know best to collapse. And was best into life with michael cain with the cocktail in his hand whereas diana. Ross that tonic. Moment was different because the queen of motown debate hive Day glamour they everything the fingernails Backstage at a gig in germany in the seventies drinking beta. So it's just that dynamic between the guy from the east end of london with Tile and you know the queen diva via so we'd liked that sort of that sort the Play so but it's been interesting as you know the cops thought you know starting to fly out few picks which one and sometimes you have a little bit of the guests and sometimes you can't get it right because you think. Oh this person's definitely gonna go Gopher you know may go. Full ross They go for michael. Cain yes so so. It's been in enough thing correct. May diana ross. Maybe a little bit too front. Just slightly jazzercise klis slightly in front. I think this is controversial now. But i'll put it out that. I think that michael caine has a little bit of brexit tear baggage to him. So i think that some people have sort of put the brakes on him at the bates because of that and decided to via towards the the. You know the diner but Insane that he is in his pump there and everything and i still do think that the new covers the one thing that does keep you awake at night is how the why. Why is my next moment from. What an obvious question that. I didn't ask you is why the name tonic. It just like we played around with a with a lot of different names and tonic. Really really set well. Just because it's it's a bit of apply so obviously the gina tony golden unite as the mixer. Which is really the core of what we want to do. Like create opportunities for people to to come together until stories and share share experience. And that's very much tonic. The life and it's become more. Poignant i think given the circumstances so it really Tony to be able to read and go on journeys across the globe at a time when we just can't side it's kind of independece actually the name because it does really fit into what we what we do. And the idea of the tonic. Moment is something that we really went on in the branding phase of what we were doing and and it really es about sharing those moments. There's a pace the For the website about growing up pretty ill educated about alcohol and asking. My great uncle was a wine salesmen. What what makes a good wine and the end. He called bidding Teach you teach you in. So he sent me the bound. It was one of those you know all seventies kind of Humble things with stolz and everything is really and he sent me down the line pulled it out the asked me to taste and smell in. You know the things that you do when he when you are teaching somebody what makes good wine any basically just said do you lock it. Does it smell nice. Does it taste nice. yes within. It's a good one of you know it's sort of taking that that elitism. I think a way that from from drinking that we really wanted to. Do you know luckily enjoy drinking. We probably don't know enough about drinking drink Where still learning west ilana janney. but we just. It's just about acceptable to everybody. You know showing people where comes from and while you might not be able to identify the fruity flavour annual wine or that particular ingredient of cops help you will be able to tell somebody The local pas boy Anywhere in pock bigs days united. Something special about nagorny will chech- wind that will bring into that conversation. Do review the nine. That will bring you into that conversation. Make you feel part of it. And that's that's bicycler corp what we wanted to achieve three three magazine and unfortunately We've even exist show. We haven't been able to do one of the big shots of what we wanted to do which was to create opportunities for people to come together. That don't know each other Nomally socialize with each other. Just social gatherings wine tastings cocktail. Mixes you know just just being able to bring people together to share leave. Experience the Hopefully in the coming twelve months twenty twenty one gonna be beginning we can. We can start doing that and putting things up with everybody and supporting some amazing like buzz and that really need us to keep going. Let's go back to you know although it's about history and you're both musician storyteller storytelling in your own way are you. Are you drinkers. I mean do you like to go out for cocktails. Are there places your locals that you've been going to for wile that you can bring this to a look of doing this questions at once. I know. yeah it's funny. Actually because because my my mom found out from my coven like i told her that we were doing this but she didn't understand. She found from my cousin that the magazine with about drink and she said but he's not a big drinker. I went yeah not a big drinker. This preconception about australians. I guess in england especially that Kind of crazy drinkers. I'm not a big drinker. I like to drink when. I like to drink what i like to drink so i like to go out for kuchma girlfriends like to you know i love. Should i say love to have a champagne. Even when there's no proper occasions champagne. And i like to go down the problem make people and and to just catch up to me. The drinking is about the social. It's not about. It's not about getting drunk or anything like that. I'm not. I'm not a drunk person i. I'm a drink person if that makes sense. That's my mama. I'm going to be confused. Stike we've taken to having nightcap sexually during lockdown where we would normally go out for drink we've taken to try to make which is being a nice way to unwind ended along dying to make up nearly have been anything specific. They've been making I've started to delays gin cocktails lacombe. Just experimenting with different I'm joined this kind of thing and defend me ingredients Try whatever they send me mrs waco and it just means that you just extend yourself a little bit Try chinese things and you get bottles of gene. How about you rob so drinking guinness. Yes yeah i mean the thing is with may is strange because actually drink less now. They drink betta. Just say you know it because you learn different things than people you know. Tally will these different stories and stuff. So now i find myself going into when they open ball. Now they're open. Please stay opening travel. Get but now. You know if i must have gone into places asking the bartender questions whereas before it just used debate points to something and that's what i know so i will just point to that whereas now find myself Feel like this today. Do you have anything like this. Especially you know with mixologist. And things that i was finding fascinating because they're almost like forty something into their chefs chef sunday. They're making something in front of you. That wasn't there before now all of a sudden boom. It's you know that creation. So i find myself doing more of that. You know drinking less book but drinking in a better trust in the bartender mu and experimenting this sometimes you might go. That was a bit but it's not but it's not bad that happens. Do not make before they would they. All that was a waste of time. That was terrible but now was A note that now that i need to go in this direction instead so. I think that you think that's come from the magazine. Yeah i definitely i feel. There's a correlation between the the chef world. And the you'd what's all the food world. That's why i ask about people's relationships and their histories with food is really more times than last. There's someone has been involved or had a big family like you benita or an rob that spend a lot of time around food. And then they're drawn to certain aspects of drink a little bit more than maybe someone who hasn't that ad that and i love that connection. It's it's definitely direct line to the drinks. World is definitely the food world so been something. That has surprised you about creating tonic. Well what we did get a lot. We will fortunate in renew a few people that have magazines as well site was good to avoid the mistakes. Make our own so that was so we were able to talk street west that go into around and then a think lockdown has been something which obviously well nobody expected it you know and so that that has been something suspend challenging hasn't Much side and you well. That's why stopping that now. So muslims or come this far. Let's just get the magazine cannot to sky and we've had a lot of people sin fenland people come to buy copies with with international stockists now within just to wake. Which is i think. Pretty cool the fact that they were aware do tau new york sweden milan and definitely in in a small village in italy with being stops there. I didn't know anybody never came to us. And said hey munich. I m unique island at white guy weeks ago. You didn't have that. Have two bath and london as well report. Sorry and there's a few others in the pipeline that haven't haven't come to pass because it's eight but that's pretty cool. It's pretty cool tonight that that people like we've created something that people want the will but we didn't expect i Expect the magazine guy than actual when lockdown happened. You know one of the one of the things we wanted to do. And if there's anybody out there who fancies it was we wanted to have a magazines in nba's for people to read while they were drinking in hotels and things like that because we think unites the quality that should be in places like that equality publications assuming places like that but obviously lockdown with all of the restrictions about a paper in which which apparently. Apparently you can't transmit at octopus until econ transmitted pike about everybody's paying super cautious so that was where we thought we were going to distribute a lot of magazines. But then we just kinda went. Hold what we do now. And then all of a sudden these as international stock And a lot of them have actually come to us before we've approached him effect that the win is kind of gotten out there and people are like. Oh we've had about you. So yeah so we thinking about volume to yet. I think we were thinking about two before. We finish annual right. Yeah yeah. Thank god own now. I was to say. Would you make sooner than depends liked. The idea of starting it biannually was the if it was really popular that we to guard at into quarterly. But i'd i think we would grow much bigger than a quarterly Imagine economy Being feasible to be honest to do more than four. Yeah just with time. it's very designed led. The editorial is really important to so we do spend a lot of time going ivory and making sure that we hear voices from different parts of the world and even more One of the things that we were talking about with the inner city sway actually was was the idea that we wanted more local contributors so want people in their destinations telling us their stories. I think almost almost all of the contributors in this edition of british based we had one zimbabwe boone but us-based and we had one british-born anyways based as well but the To the k. So i think the next funding this is definitely going to have voices from asia. Voices from africa voices from europe. Just people telling their stories. Because it's like thermostats the thing you know one of the coolest things that i experienced. When i started traveling was it wasn't going to the eiffel. Tau will believe the coliseum on whatever. It wasn't the experiences that i remembered. It was hooking up with a bunch of random paper who a local in a small cabinet by in prague and drinking becker Like it it does. Experiences dies mating the locals feeling. I'm feeling that. I think i think one of the things that lockdown has taught us is that you know everybody says travel farm lied and you know. Show of a big advocate of that. Obviously 'cause i've come to the other side of the world but the thing vanities that this amounts to experience on your doorstep that you wouldn't normally experience because you'd be spending your time going abroad instead and you know while we still want to go abroad. We will sites devouring some of the opportunities to Do and check out the little craft places and stuff like that. I have to say that one experience reading your magazine that i know into it is coming towards christmas time in holiday time. That was just an eye opener for may was hearing from a priest. Garcin holy wine. Yeah and i think that is the first time i have ever read anything about holy wine and the fact that it is illegal to have non alcoholic holy wine england. So you know it's funny just like you were saying no matter how far away you go. Some of the best stories are right around your hometown. Which wherever he was writing from but in the uk was in litchfield. He's is tristan sprays priced and so that was a heavenly story in many ways right at word heavenly right so i think we need a drink to toast your new magazine So what are you gonna make. What's your favorite new cocktail out. I've just. I've got this new gene from south africa. It said pena Orient janice really lovely side. That with a bit of maybe mediterranean Tonic and some common robbery. Yes will be drinking that as well all right so i will toast to you and hopefully a brand new year full of possibilities the last year and thank you so much for joining me here today. Massachusetts thrill really appreciated. Thank you you know. I couldn't leave. Benita and rob without asking for their top tips for the home bartender and where they would have a drink right now if they could choose anywhere in the world. I i've got to one. Is you know. I joined the club. During donna craft gene club. Which finger right they. Send me your books every month with a different biology and and a recipe mac magazine with recipes and different things to do. And that's really spice things up and the other thing would be to you know the the thing is not nothing based a cocktail made by button end so honestly when we opened up the last time in in the summer i took the opportunity to guide a couple balls end to get the real mccoy from from the real professionals. Nothing really bates. That and i'm really looking forward to doing that again. This time having you Really during the club a think that is being good to kind of get you started kind of get the fundamentals down the basics you know with you know this is a group of you then told just just fun. There's nothing you know you're not doing anything wrong or anything than you could. Just share your tips so yeah aside that and if you could be anywhere in the world drinking anything where would that be at this time. All right okay. Well you know what it's like. A caesar v from london. We can travel anywhere in the world note problem but to go to the other side of london as a big big deal for us. You know so food for me to go from here not Two westbound than to slice ball tried to happiness to taste some of his cocktails. I don't mind doing that for him. On his bob so yet to be there for man to be just a little bit. I am in For a couple years. I had planned on heading back in may and one of the things that i love to do when heim is going to my cousins but thaw which is called joining in thumb. Brain mobin davis. Thing that i love it. It's called a penalty will sunday and basically it's and mites and it's nice to just guy an even nine and you probably appreciate these bang from abroad as well now matter at the distance no matter the time you kind of get an everything just sorta slotting place in the rhythm of heats in feels like. No time has passed united chatting. I've a good drinks with good friends and in a place. That's where i would like to be. I so wanna thank benita and rob for being on the show since they mentioned trailer happiness. I thought it would be apropos. D- have one of sligh's creations tale of the week since we are all dreaming of warmer. Climes i know i am and with that are rum cocktails. I thought we revisit a passed cocktail of the week. The trailer happiness dachary. It's so easy all you need to do is add fifty miles of dawn q. Crystal rum twenty. Five mils of lime juice and twenty mils of one to one sugar syrup to a shaker at ice and then shake shake shake then strain it into a chilled coop. Glass and sip. You'll find this recipe plus war room recipes and all the cocktails of the week at a lush life. Manual dot com. Where you'll find all the ingredients in our shop. I've known dunedin rob for at least five years. We are all involved with the british guild of travel writers another industry that has been massively hit by corona virus. Not only will you have fun reading the tonic magazine but you are also supporting. Some of the best writers in the biz. Live for lush life. Make sure you're giving back to the bars or restaurants or writers you love by donating or eating out or taking part in cocktail or food delivery or buying magazines where you live. Theme music for lush life is by stephen. Shapiro and user permission and lush life is always and will be forever produced by yvo tara and simpler media productions which leaves me say the wise words of oscar while all things in moderation including moderation and always drink responsibly. And wash your hands and wear a mask next week. My guest will end the year by answering questions about herself to put an end to all those rumors until that time bottoms up.

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Episode 522 - The Muppet Christmas Carol

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Episode 522 - The Muppet Christmas Carol

"This is a head gum. Podcast gang very exciting news coming out of the internet only tour department. That is right. We have a live show the will be doing on the internet at the internet. Only yes but the good thing about that is anyone can attend if you have internet. That's right and chances are you do as you're listening to us on the internet right now. That's right now. We will be covering the massive shit show. That is terminator dark fate The just came out last year. Break the ten year rule right away. Take that this is Something in affiliation with on location lives. So you're going to go to on location. Live dot com slash. Whm and there. You'll find all the ticketing information this is for. Friday january the fifteenth nine pm. And the rad thing is if you cannot make this live broadcast you can watch it until eleven fifty nine. Pm eastern time on january twenty second. We should also mention at the nine pm. You may you said is it's also eastern zoe's to guess it is. We are eastern time. The show is eastern time. Nine pm arnold schwarzenegger in cargo shorts. A bunch of totally forgettable other terminator robot. Things are in this movie. There will be a very dramatic retelling of our trip to see this movie in los angeles more citing than the film itself. Some may say. I would say it's okay to like it by the way you know on this show. You've heard episodes of movies that we've done that you might have liked. We kicked around. We're just having fun with it though. Yeah i don't know why we still have to fucking clarify that ten years on but yes that is true. You are allowed to like stuff that we make we like it. We liked shit. We hate shit. It's eight movies. That's right and it is. We hate movies. Live this the fifteenth nineteen eastern time on location. Live dot com slash. Whm or you can just head right over to our website. Whm podcast dot com. Click on the tour tab. We have the information there as well. You buy a ticket given access code you log in. We're going to be there. Live that night Still remotely watch us. That's the excitement. Julie yeah exactly. That's very different than this. Because you can't see me right now. You don't wanna see me right now so this january. We're excited to see you all on the internet this week on the program. They don't make puppet movies like this anymore. Everybody it's the muppet christmas. Carol andrew. Juban stephen sadek eric. Scrooge scuff chris cabin and we love movies. Hello everyone welcome to. We love movies. Thank you re tuning in as always Merry christmas is the christmas episode. Will call it right Getting into the holiday. Spirit here with the muppet. Christmas carol from nineteen ninety-two directed by brian. Henson was director. Oriel debut wishes and how how he went from this. Which was this is like anyone's career high to the happy time murders. And if you haven't listened to our episode on the happy time murders seek it out. That's sort of exactly what i was referencing with. They don't make puppet movies like this anymore because they make them like that they make them more like me to feebles. Now good come on man. It's cool what and that's the thing do. There's not like an fucking ounce of calm. That is slung this movie and it's the better for it. Well it's the other one that's perverted. it's like oh come all ye faithful or something. I know you're talking about. Let my puppets come me. We discussed this. I think on that other episode with the melissa mccarthy movie there's or maybe it was a mail bag or something cabin. There's a movie out there called. Let my puppets come come movies guys. It's like a pseudo quote unquote sexually. Explicit whistle was okay because it was like a teacher showed it in a class or something exclusive case coming to pornhub. Better be verified dude. That was a good move on their part for sure. yeah so you know this is a movie. This was the first muppet movie that was made after the passing of jim hansen So the the film was dedicated to him and richard hunt. And i gotta say right off the bat. I loved this movie i watch it every year. I would as a kid watch it like multiple times in the christmas season. I can never get over. How fucking great. It is to see these opening credits where you're just crediting a pop as playing another character. It's stick damn say this was not that for me. I didn't really grow up with this. I guess i'm not a huge muppet guy. Even though i like the muppets if like the buffets i liked the it's totally fine. I just don't like seek them out and i haven't. I've only watched the muppet movie with my wife. On the watch my wife is warmer pursuits. I've watched more than but they didn't really grow up with it. It's kind of weird because like you figure in the steve sadek algorithm sure. Muppets or right there. Do you have any ideas to like. Why that didn't happen was just like partner has got divorced old crunch. No no i. I don't know. I remember liking sesame street. Probably more for sure so street in my house because was almost constantly nickelodeon. So you're saying he likes batman and he doesn't like them up. It's the parents aren't together. I guarantee you right off the bat. They're not together around the the the justice league buffy patially but nobody yet attention divorce. That's a big time to force. Really leaning hard on that batman to one of them might be dead criterion collection at fourteen. It's not looking good. Tell you now looking ida casual muppet household where we would watch the muppets here and there. It was never a traditional thing. So i we saw this movie like a few times and then Since i met my wife her family loves it. It has become kind of christmas tradition Yeah totally i've i've this. Almost i definitely saw this in theaters. But i didn't see it again until my wife is a huge fan of this. This is her family's christmas movie. Yeah and mine was always national lampoon's from the beginning you know And i think the christmas carol. I'm member most is like the seventies one. What's that one with george. c scott. No it's not that what there is a jerseys gut screw alastair. What's his name. Yeah yes ouster. Crowley's christmas carol. Anne marie is i get to be visited by three goes out. And he's ready to get fucked by three goes for sure. Oh yeah dude. Like one of those ceremonies. Oh spirit spirit may eat you. I would say this is my favorite rendition film. Like adaptation of a christmas. Carol barton i last night. I did the thing we're going to turn off. The lights really pay attention. I really appreciate us. I just grew up with mickey's christmas carol gang. And that's the one for me just because you know why in that version Goofy plays jacob marley which presupposes the goofy is in. Hell which is a lot of fun. I think that's steve. Because in this movie like they add a marley brother. Robert marlisa robert marley fake wonders jacob. Jacob is the real and is the route because you so you can have statler and waldorf played them and like statler and waldorf toiling in. Hell you totally get assure you see those guys in all the chains. You're like yeah. Of course they forged that many hellraiser esque chains in life but poor goofy man. I feel like that guy was like a patsy for someone else to gorge bic. I thought she was eighteen. Thought it was more. Wholesome maybe killed himself. Wholesome suicide can't take it no more. I'm gonna put this weird shock collar around my neck and throw a tv into the bathtub. This version even existed. I think i saw that as a kid. And then it went right into that disney vault. Yes it's also weird thing because that thing is mickey's christmas. Carol is your traditional like like disney characters television special thing where it's like under forty five minutes. Oh yeah so. It's it's a it's less than a half hour twenty times. Lord yes so it's basically like two and a half disney shorts like strung together to make a thing. I think it's awesome. We re watched it. Maybe last year but like yeah i mean it's just i feel like if you had one of these two like your fav- like you know if you were intellect christmas carol type children's entertainment fair growing up in the nineties. You were either. Mickey's christmas carol. Household or muppet christmas carol. Don i i mean or none if you know i also. Charlie brown is a big but like christmas fairly story. Okay fuck having a terrible. Chris whole legend of the scrooge totally. I forgot a lot of the specifics to that whole this whole story really like the. What am i going to remember. This is plenty of other three coast. How many fucking coaches go get this old bastard a proton pack. You know. i mean the specifics of the ghosts the show host rules. Y'all good stuff right. Yeah my my brain is is is with cheese with it because scrooge was the thing around my house term. sure that makes sense screwed unpleasant. That's just me. I think it's like intentionally unbelievable very unpleasant aggressive. So it's a movie. Where like you know. I watch it here and there. It was never a staple and understand that a lot of people really like it but like it's just so off putting them like it's realistic. I like it it was. It was definitely a will cabin favorite big well. Here's bill murray guy. So i watch that a ton. I definitely have seen that more times than i've seen either. Mickey or muppet. Wow nice got some good David johannesen that motion picture. Since karen allen. Yes and bill. Murray's brother is a which one was it again. Isn't it brian. Doyle doyle murray. Who's playing his father. Who comes in on christmas day. And these drops down this fucking package from the butcher. And he's chewing now. It's five pounds of veal. I've been thinking about every christmas. I think about five pounds of and that's not a joke. Do you ever take the plunge by that. Five pounds of you know seems unethical. We'll say when we got older. It was a thing where like my siblings and i would come. Together to watch lampoon that was like the thing But this still in the the undercurrent of all the christmas. I do love this movie. This movie's really excellent. I think it's i love how Serious plays it against the muppet stuff. It's it's a really you know. The black shows up against the white kind of stuff. You know what i mean like. There's it's grim and it's just grim enough. It pushes that where where easily could not be not. I mean that's why. I really wanted to ask you if the first time that you were you. Scared of the ghosts now. I know the. I always saw those thirty years old. Twenty seven years old. So yeah i think i to answer the questions of what goes thank you. I will talk a little kid watching this like the ghost of christmas yet to comment. I shit my romper. Is he scary. Good terrified and the funny thing is like you know we'll get into it. But like the whole thing of like jeffrey katzenberg. Cutting out. the love is gone. Song thinking like kids would find it like too sad or whatever. I'm like i don't know man. How about the pants shitting terrifying grim reaper. Thing you look look look look look look look here. We can't have a woman emoting in this movie. Okay just cannot happen. That's probably the real reason because kids should be sad and kids should be scared. Because that's what the future is yeah. Christmas is a time of feeling like shit. Welcome to this year. Everybody well let me ask. You could become a mother eventually. She's the double spun. Yeah yeah we got her right out. I do yeah. I actually really love the way to play this way a lot of things that i would say. The mickey's one plays is like Scrooges amini you know what i mean. He's just mean he's not nice. Well no this is really about money. It's about like you don't me like i liked that about this. It's about money and how you use it and being cheap. Fuck means everyone. Which is your fucking being. Richard general means everyone wishes. You're a dead but being cheap thuc means everybody wishes. Your dad and i cannot believe. Were you know nearing like fifteen minutes into this episode and have not mentioned him yet. But of course sir michael caine as ebony in this movie i think for me. It's it's one of if not my favorite michael caine performances. I can't imagine this movie working the way it does with anyone else doing this. With these puppets. I considered this week. An american version of this and just get Charles grodin and in that role like it'd be something we'll carlin was up for it. Apparently like they were they were thinking about. It was like david warner somebody else. George carlin but michael cain like had was in what he'll call tax exile when the muppets were being filled in in the uk. It wasn't in the uk always kind of was bummed about that and he actively worked for the role by the way. His career was in the f. Ing toilet when this movie came out. Imdb up time. What the fuck was this. Isn't the the wizard movie around here. The mr destiny is one thousand nine hundred ninety and that's also the year of a shock to the system both previous episodes. That's the one. I was thinking of what what's say. I'm a magician. Yes sarai that kazan. Oh man kevin wile ninety four. this is ninety to ninety four on deadly ground also previous episode. I believe and then it's like let's just point out you know. We had a fun episode with that. But that's not bringing you back to the academy awards. I mean it's it's bad for a while here. Blood and wine little voice little voice kind of when he comes back because that would be at least was seen by the oscar ninety nine when he comes back for cider house rules fuck was little voice. It's a woman who has a little voice like this. It's michael caines going around talking like he's the coach who's helping her. Do what signaling. Great and then she like he so he does cider house rules and then like a couple of years later he's in miss congeniality which a humongous it and then i think he's eating out for the rest of the time after that. You bet your ass eating out. I think i think christmas dining out. Yes yeah. I've i've actually never seen cider house. Rules does at any point michael. Cain rose yeah. It's like an airbnb list of rules puts up no smoking in march cider. House street my side of house. As if you're staying and your side of the house now extra guests in malloy shy to house no gang bangs and decide okay. Only one gang banger. Year in the house. If this is your first time but decided to house you have to fight the wi fi password for the side of the house is no gang. Bang sixty nine underscore cider house. Our love of fight club. Now that you mentioned it. Steve absolutely bitch tits tight lincoln that he said to brian. Henson muppet fight club. It'd be fun omopeh fico movie. Very fun judah. Hit me as hard as you can see. That's the thing he said to brian. Henson look you know. I'm going to act in these scenes. With your puppets as if they re and he was like yeah dude like that would be great. Like don't don't make it like winky winky. Pretend like you're just acting among your peers and that's honestly why this works so well it moves. People are like they look puppets but like you know there is just the the inside joke of like. We're all making them up but movie it has that feeling to it and in this. It's just like he may as well been you know Bob kraft played by laurence olivier. You know he's just he's considering it working among the greats with which he is because it's the muppets. I think tim curry believed they were real people as well. That seems really indebted there that movies not great though we watch that in quarantine sign which ones that. That's my pleasure island off the success of this movie. They were like. Let's do another thing from literature and it's fucking terrible. The kid is trash in it. So i mean like that. This is the last watchable muppet movie. Besides twenty eleven. I think the first siegel one. I also enjoyed muppets from space and other trash one That's in there. That was like the late nineties. I think never seen space. Like i think one of the main human characters is fucking jeffrey tambour and like one of the bears plays a big role. Good good even treasure island kind of kitties it up and like you were saying like he's just playing this like these are other people and and there were jokes. Like the muppet movie back. In the day that were referencing that they're muppets but they still kind of all treat each other with respect and the the the comedy's funny and smart and sharp teeth. Then once you get to treasure island everything gets dull and you put the kids down and you go to the other room and have a glass of wine. Yes no. I think that's exactly right because i feel like this is the last muppet movie that was made specifically for children audiences and adult audiences. I feel like the seagal movie brought that back but those two inbetween. You're i mean those are straight up like movies for kids. I don't think there's anything about either of them that are like you know interesting that the parents that would be sidled with the walk. This one takes the text very seriously whereas like a treasure island. It's not like they're quoting directly from the original. This one. they're very clear about and also honestly having people literally so poor that they're sleeping in like on roofs and in rafters just like some of these puppets are is actually more accurate to what already was like at the time People sleeping in the street. Yeah like i mean literally puppets are like sleeping up like in The the gutters question. And look i get their muppets. I'm not you know it's just that baffling thing where there are animal. Muppets that are animals and trumpets that our people and like they're selling turkeys that are muppets. Four for sustenance churn. But it's a muppet. But then like why am i not cook it up. Miss piggy them she would-be delicious. Well because she's got makeup on. I got it okay. The pig literally has lipstick. I just think it disturbed me. What are the first shot techies for sale. Jesus well it's funny. Because then at the end of the movie when he has the rabbit go get the turkey just an actual thawed turkey. Somebody fucking killed. So i guess it pretty delicious that old States catch if you remember that one. It's michael ian black who is hunting muppets. And the way he would do. It would be like boy. I hope somebody can help. Tie my shoes and somebody above break their back. It's different that's awesome. Do you think the thing. Where like when a muppet dies a transforms into whatever the reality of it so like when piggy expires she just turns into a hog. The wig falls off. Oh my god just like the victims of subtype of magic spell right. Yeah nanny man she's doing some experiments in the nursery. I was happy to see at the end of this world. Like you know. 'cause i are so as the are the muppets. The underclass of england here. But some of those pigs are doing pretty well off those pigs that are laughing because died absolutely. There's some wealthy hall and it's great to right because like they're like the upper crust of london or whatever and it's just fucking disgusting pigs. I love that is not a steak love those pigment. I'll be like kermit would be A bit of a bummer irl. I don't think i'd get along well because you'd be like you know what kermit i get it man. You had a bad day at work. But we're trying to have a party right now and you're just fucking being sat on the couch dude. Yeah it's either that or he's singing a song and it's like jesus middle ground here a little too earnest for me another question about so like you know what would have to go to the whole rather go by because it's a christmas carol but my question. These rats that are working with kermit are obviously added for comedic value. Because it's used. Just bob kraft in that office right. Did he's rats and let's go home rat friends and they go to their place that he goes to that his yup did they have an apartment living in walls. Like what's happening there. Yeah i think that's that's a. We're living underground steve. You're under the floorboards in the walls stuff like that because the actual inside the bricks are the mice the mice that territory all out as everybody knows in the animal. Kingdom rats are below my so like i said they would have to live in the now. Imagine a mister mister scrooge coming out crutch it by god is a real fucking rat. Do a real right by fucking. Oh he's doing texas he's swinging a broom salty's buffet rats. One real. this is disgusting rat. Well that's the thing he would keep on talking to rats and if they add answered back. Okay you're fine and he would beat the ever loving shit out of it and it that's right. Here's like jerry. Where's your time card. Thank you alex. Where's your time card. Thank you new guy. Where's your time car. Get the fuck outta hair tabbies. Cut my sandwich out. I'm trying to get some Some bike and here know. I'm your friend. Her pick we play bridge together every thursday. That's how you gotta do it. I guess it's a real fucking slippery slope dude. I mean that's the thing like you have to figure out whether or not they can speak english if scrooge actually took out a gun and shot one of these pig people about what would happen like is it like. Oh my god. That's that's you know a pillar of society. This is a you know some fellow well to do or is it just a pig. What is the what would criminality again if he can speak english. You're going right up the river out. Who's gonna shoot that at the head. You're fine. I guess you know if what's correct so if and communicate in a spoken language it okay fair enough then it has like person status kind of killed them up a pig get trousers off protect quick. Now put his apple in its math. Nobody who now all you do go at his wallet right. He's got a and caught. Just ten it up and ben take of the evidence down my wife going to look your person cars expired. Now you're just a fucking pig. She let us on the other half now. Isn't it pig. You better watch it about fucking frog legs soap take your pets god twenty children. Yes yes yes okay. I another thing that i love about this movie and to tie it. More to the source material this is such a great call by this movie. Screenplay by jerry jewel who i kept fucking mixing up with gary glitter. Definitely don't want to do that. Oh i know. And i was like oh man. That fucking sucks would happen that jerry you know that was gary glitter but anyway i love the decision to make guns. Oh like quote unquote charles dickens. As the of this because then the like the majority of what he says in the mary shin not like his bits with Rats who rizzo but like just his. Narration is just stuff from the book. So you you still. Have you know the dickensian prose kind of tossed in throughout the narration. Which just makes it that much more like fuller of a thing. Yeah it and it it it it gives you more to play with. Because then like yeah. He's doing bit with rats areso but like you get screwed was dad to begin with or the marlies were dead to begin with and that's just a really kind of its. There's meat on that bone ugly. You're saying yeah and the and the thing that Chelsea and i were laughing at about last night watching it as like aside from just there to move the story on with gaza's narration. They're just there to be pulverized physically. Yes which is just the funniest like it. It doesn't bother me that the movie has to stop dead because it's always worthwhile every pit. Stop you take with the two of them. It's always fucking hilarious. I forget what it what it was. Aware i read it was brian. Henson said he related some incident where he met with a bunch of people who hated him because they thought that he was denigrating a classic by doing this denigrating the muppets. Yes yes exactly. It's no christmas. like dick. wanted to dickens kinda shit. oh please. I mean how many people i mean. How many versions of this have there been. There's been countless. I watched one this year. The head tori spelling. The scrooge role have played in in a what if what if donna was actually scrooge you know one year don i got a little feisty with me around the holidays and even though we didn't celebrate christmas i was like hey european unreal scrooge donna maybe don can be crash crash. Crotchet crotchet six quickly. That i did that for our friend of the show. Sean sullivan's podcast. twenty. Five days of christmas carol. He watched twenty-five versions of incredible project. Fucking funny asked dude love that guy checkout his comedy album song and dance man. I think you can get anywhere. Digital media can be streamed or downloaded. It's interesting. Yeah but you're right though like i mean bucket. They did this. Sean can do twenty five verse you can do like and then are you adding tv specials. That are just doing it anyway. Like you re. This is not a precious text now and then one of his episodes was gumby. And hey perky. I was visited by the ghost of Three spirits last night. One of them was you dead mother. And that's the difference. You know it's it's you. That's what this is like. It takes a lot more serious like using the texas opposed to just like using the bones. Like everything else does exactly and i. I don't know. I can't pinpoint what exactly it is. A it's just a combination like the totality of it. All but one note i had was the production design in this movie. Like it's all sound stage stuff obviously but like it just as such a good job at making look at all times like it is fucking freezing in this movie. Like i watched this movie and i feel a chill through the whole thing. You know i mean. There's no great that opening shot of the scape is really kind of great. It's really nice long. Shot of look. You're just get to see that. These puppet houses kind of thing not as easy as it sounds. No yeah exactly right. One of my favorite parts in the little bit of the opening there is like there's like a muppet in debt to screw. Oh yeah he's whole thing like don't yell at me and screw picks them up and throws him out of the building. Although it's great. Thank you for not yelling at me. Like as he's being through that public it's like jazzy. Jeff out of the fucking office. This is before he punts the rabbit right. It's it's the same scene but when he throws the wreath at the rabbit duties like nolan ryan winding up. I fucking read. that's great. This week's episode is brought to you by feel now folks. Do you experience stress. You have anxiety. Chronic pain trouble sleeping at least once a week. Well i've got news for you. You're not alone in fact. I think you're in the majority now on all those points I've had trouble sleeping my entire life. I mean even nineteen years. I had trouble going to bed before four. 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Clothes probably had the same kind of thing that moved to prostitute. No-one me fucking goo was over there in a neck. Yeah i was just fucking rich guy but who the hell cares now. He's in the whitehall district in the continental. All these muppets. A repair was out in force. That night dude. Muppets from hell. I like it. I said Yeah so the whole this whole introductory scene of You get to see what it's like to work for ebeneezer scrooge scrooge in the work. Da is what's going on here. He like a bank that he runs a money. Lender is so. He's out to just screw all these people on all these loans. Exactly i go to college do you. Well of course you got to call it. What is you just take out. What am i alone. I joe to take out this. Federal stafford loans. You'll be totally fine. Trust me now you owe me good. You fucking bump up. I'm sorry you didn't read the fine print about thirty five percent interest student loans. Ebeneezer scrooge made his fortune. And this is what shows up Fred is his nephew by steven mackintosh shoes in a bunch of stuff. He's in underworld or one of the underworld zapped right. Yeah he's in lock stock and tourists barrels. Actually we watch this year. I think other stuff i think. He's the bad guy neither season one season two. Luther probably works in one season. he yes he You look at him in this movie and you will lose bet. People have lost money out there as as to whether or not paul bitney is in. He's kind of a dead ringer form. At least like as a as a young lad in this movie and i love this guy many comes in. He's making the effort with the relatives that he clearly hates you know. And it's a great thing too. Because he fucking knows that ebeneezer scrooge is gonna turn them down from his dinner invitation and he throws it out anyway always remaining with the upper hand as far as family relations this guy because i was screaming at my tv lost. Cause your of there freddie. You got nothing to do here. I'm glad he tried gave us the classic line of that people who say merry christmas should be cooked with their own turkey. It's amazing that ebony scrooge thinks anyone utters merry christmas should be cooked cooked and i guess possibly eaten friends plan. The long game is like look this old folks got nobody else. Maybe just maybe even if he hates my guts. He's got to give the money somewhere when he dies. Got to be a will. It's got to go to somebody right you know. Just think what does that will look like do. Because i feel like there's some sort of scrooge clause in it where he's like. I need oh my money to be taken out of my account. Put into falcon coffin with me and take it to the afterlife. Like the ancient egyptian fortunate to the pyramid gets buried with the singing. Lock boxes all the money in the lock. Box isn't there. That's why that's why they're a cursive for the brothers. But my thing is what he shows up. Everybody's oh it's beyond scrooges nephew i am so then old fucking bastard crooks he can adjust the will to whatever it says. I'll give it all. Fred who is always so called to be kind of thing you know. That's the move. I think you're totally right. And meanwhile excruciating. They're talking about excuse me talking about addiction notices on christmas and it's like you know his busy time of year because of this and i was like where the fuck do you think you are the united states twenty twenty. I mean we are ripe for a new adaptation of this i guess. Would it be to hokey to do it now. Did they feel like the jim carey version burned the house down like oh because it was that good. Yes if it's back. Oh no. I mean like i feel like that was. Nobody was going to do it after because he was such a disaster like. I don't think anybody saw the thing that was the whole like animatronic or like we're doing. Cgi cartoon people. What do they call that shit. Motion cash polar express's and. No one wants that wii tanked. It's incredible that he got what three of those movies made and nobody was like robert. Nobody yeah well. Polar express was super successful. I think it did money then. Christmas carol did nothing. I don't think beowulf did anything either. Because you've got you've got a third one out of the shit. Though people saw polar express out what it was and said no thank you for the rest of their lives. What that was the trajectory that check. Gary was like christmas. Classic in motion capture sounds great. It made bunny fantastic. What do you want to do next up. Poem from god knows when sounds great. Let's do that. I mean i remember specifically working at the multiplex. When that jim carey movie came out a pretty sure like yeah. Yeah because what was that movie. Kevin that was like the early arts like laid off. I want to bear wolf or or choir. No christmas carol. I want say he's like late. Opts to doesn't look really. Oh no. i'm sorry. I'm not christmas. Carol polar express. I remember polar express being super. We did so much business with it was fucking bonkers because like i mean from a book where like not make it. You know it's already stationary like it already feels fake in the book like tried to make it feel realistic whereas christmas carol. You've seen actual people do this before. But eric were you asking the like. Could you make a christmas. Carol and set it in like you know someone do like a real deal not like tori spelling thing like a real christmas carol yes christmas carols structured movie. But it's like set in present day. You mean yes yes exactly set now with all of our problems now and how divided we are as a country. I mean it would probably come off as like cheesy and hacky to do it now but it seems like we could use it. I don't know you just have to change the ending. So that bob kraft shoots the fuck rich boss in the head and he just says eight the rich and that's the end of the that's the end of the movie. Yeah you you balza christmas. Carol starring like the cast of supernatural. Or jeez i just threw up in my mouth opening opening directly on pluto. Tv just checked imdb. christmas carol. Two thousand nine was the the jim carey cartoon men one and they just put them with statics and made them look like lymph leonard. Snicker or whatever that lemony snick it. Maybe that'll you know. I feel like that would have been a little bit different. Yeah i think you're a straight adaptation of this is kind of overdue. Patrick stewart would do a one man show. And you can actually. He did an audio book where he does or as short as a pretty short little thing going on an hour or so. Actual book steve. If you've ever read it it's it's really not that long. I mean how would you like. Would you like categorize it as a novel or something. I think you would. And i listened. I listened to the stuart thing you know and it's good. You know what i mean. It's a nice little christmas you know. Get a little whiskey in in your hand. Kind of actually do a movie with christmas. Curl probably let me bbc thing. Nineteen ninety nine. Yeah ooh the allstars. The allison one from nineteen fifty. One is really good. Chris was not the. Bbc was america's version tnt. What the patrick. Stewart wasn't tnt. Yeah can you believe it. Oh i cannot. This is the tnt Whatever he's like like he. I do love these rats asking for he. This is more of your jokes. They're like it's just funny joke where it's like Every time that they they of keep asking for stuff but what he says immediately. Oh it's great that's fine. The because they they'll they'll die in the street if he doesn't do what they want. Yeah because he kermit's like you know oh. Serve the the bookkeepers. We're wondering about a extra shovel full of coal. It's getting a lot colder outside. It's a kind of a great thing like he. Does this twice. In the scene where he like starts the sentence calmly and then the last word or two words of the sentences screaming and so he's like how would the bookkeepers. Like to be unemployed. This is a trailer thing they cut to the rats like. Hey they're all like dancing and fucking hawaiian shirts which is great and then there. There's another thing about like. Will you know we'd really like christmas. Day officer The fucking the retort is well you know you can always be celebrating christmas on the unemployed. By the way at the end of the movie he then gifts them. Coal and i was like a mixed message in mind noodle here because i always his co. bad or good i think that's only if you are gifted coal by santa claus kinda shitty like. Oh crutch it. You're you're a frog you could get a full. You can get a full partnership getting cooler wack together those fucking red state okay deserve. Here's a little co for the reds. What am i gonna do fucking give a rat race. I don't think so. That's why they you can't move to a nicer part of the sewer way. I kind let him live above ground. That's for the mice mobile bag for the i ain't is so nice you should've killed one of them and said burn him. You know what you really wanna fuck in. Send a message to these little fellows you pick one of them up and you bite their head off in front of the so definitely. This is michael kay bucket blood streaming down his jet. Get your fault. Rat hairs flight out of his mouth is screw tested. Positive for the play fucking. It's a fucking sauce. The how plague is way overrated. People get the plague every gesture just cars. I found that piece of cheese in the gutter. An eight it to save some money. Let's say the people freeze to death. People get to play. It's the same thing. The numbers are the same. I mean it's it's kind of interesting that he's a guy who you know. He's not just cheap publicly. He's not just cheap with his employees. He's not just cheap in the fucking hilarious donation negotiation with bunsen and beaker. When they come asking for money for the homeless but like he's also cheap personally like in his own life to himself. Like there's the great lying about like you know. He decided to just you know eat prefers living in darkness. Darkness is free enough to fucking light the lamps and pay for all that oil. And it's like dude. If you're going to have all this money like i understand like being stingy to others but like i dunno men. Treat yourself this house. No no. that's not what the smart ones do. Give yourself nothing and just fucking say it saved. Save until you have power over everybody. That's that's your way to do it. That's the buzzer beaker cds. And this is obviously all dickens. Dialogue was like well. Don't they have the what of the poor house. Which is what. Jeff bezos said. Last week senator to the prison or the poor house there you go now you have like make your new one. It's a dude that runs a big company like that absolutely. Yeah it would have to be that right and like let's say you know. Have a nice holiday. Prayer that fucking. Jeff bezos has been visited by three. Goes i do it every year. I feel we get more people involved. You know what happened. But we're supposed to be praying for the christmas. Carol like ghost. Not the hellraiser freddy krueger's. They're welcome all totally fun. Marie chris bald for. I am sorry to say that it goes to a future past of the future. What what's the last guy's name passes ain't no fucking x. Men movie the ghost of christmas past the ghost of future and christmas get too cumbersome to you have to come those guys are also all working for base us now would like to celebrate christmas deliciously. Now it's too fucking expensive. What do you do it about nipples. Get off our deficit. That skin back on my thanks. It's my skin. what is it this guy job. I know it's obviously to make it. Look like shit look monstrous but man is so is it a scrooge die job or what. There's a couple things that are going on here. He brought this up. Because there's like. I feel like the job is most notable in the sideburns yet are much darker than the rest of the head hair but then also i think this is like like you. Look at like the top of this noodle. This is what it looks like. Like when trump doesn't have somebody work for three hours to fucking dumb head all fucking hairspray. Doubt like you are seeing. I think real and maybe it's not but it's a really good job. If not like real bad looking. Michael caine bald comb overs. Yes happening And i'm not saying. I don't think he grew his hair out like this very long. Scrooge s haircut. I don't think he was rocking. This necessarily but like i want to say there's some real baldness that you're seeing there. Oh sure. I'm sure he's had plugs. You know in his head for awhile after that it gets just sort of like trying to make himself look as shitty as possible in this movie right and it's great because he looks like fucking garbage. He's he really does He does go home and this is when you know you start a you get some business that the door there that there's some funky shit going on this this like right away like i remember so like watching it as a kid. The early on that would scare the shit out of me before the marley brothers show up is like one him just bounding into the movie like he comes around a corner. He's got a big walking. Stick it's fucking terrifying stomping through the snow pushing past all these puppets but then like the doorknob turning into jacob. Marley freaked me the fuck out. And it's i mean you know it's great. He's fucking scared here. Cain does a good job in this scene of like you know he's big tough fucking ebeneezer. Scrooge is a big grouch and whatever app but then like once that happens to him like inbetween then and like when he's eating alone like he does a good job of being scared alone. Old man like the guard is totally down at this point. Oh sure fucking clobbered with a candlestick by robbers worried about it does look like gonzo and rizzo are trying to break into his house. It's definitely so they're like they're. They're like climbing up a tree nearby. The look to look in the window. Get a peek of him. And his negligee class cut her out and they're just a-. Let's change the story from a. christmas. Carol tha the strangers. What others potato sack. he's gonna shoot the head by accident. Oh my goodness a weird looking blue fairy child in a rat trying to kill me. I'll be honest. I figured he had like a somebody else in here to be the live tyler. But no money at all strangers sequel. It's bad yeah. I thought it was right. It's not good. That's a bummer. He's the guy who directed his new movie is supposed to be good. The dark the wicked. I don't even know what that is out. It's out. I haven't watched it but i heard it's good. It's about my asthma bowls. Very christmas having fun i do. I do love your dark ball steve. Your balls should die a decrease decrease this surplus of balls yes. There's too many balls out there. I've heard about this a lot knowing so in that case. I'm sorry it's dark. Dick and wicked falls to ask by fred dark. Okay sorry yes the cavernous innards chiesa fucking stalactites and stalagmites inside there. Yeah up. Everyone does the do. I do love And this is a very christmas carols thing where he's like When you The ghost show up knows. You could just be indigestion. I think he's right because he keeps waking up every hour. We've all been there. You have a bad fucking night with some fucking bad food. You're waking every oh fuck again absolutely do me like oh son of a bitch tacos at eleven forty five Great idea or that. She's been leaving out for months. Is bad now owned. You'll be visited by three sheets today. It's ghosts tomorrow ballots. Ufo's love him getting freaked out fucking beating the shit out of his bathrobe. Yeah i do. I kind of want this this. I mean obviously like i need a bigger bedroom. I want this like big cloaked bed. Set the curtain the curtains around the bed. Bring it back guys like to just like really get into that fucking total darkness to to finally find some slumber also so my god i was jealous steve. I think this would keep our cats off the bed. That's that'd be awesome. Well they'll do be scratching added to be a big fucking problem. It would be a problem but it would be like. Maybe i won't wake up at five in the morning fucking once but you are saying that someone off camera. Who's a cat but you're but you're also asking for nonstop bed curtain bills because you are going to be replacing them all the best true tattered rags and duct tape. But we're no scrooges here were podcasters despite having a few advertisements some listeners. Don't like i. Just i just have like okay now. Like with elmer's glue trying to put together a rat and should not chewed through. It can't fucking believe this. You know but he before he gets into that awesome bed you know we have him eating alone by the fire just some bread and cheese like he's in fucking prison mike cod. That's that's a decent meal nice cheese dinner every now and again khashoggi widening in an no. No no this is unsettling you're right now. It's every fucking night. Yeah the man. The man is a millionaire and he cannot be bothered to feed himself a nice meal. Because you've got to see. I mean again. You've killed fucking seamless. He's got either could himself for one or go to the pub Pub 'cause i always scrooge at pacey fine i'm just gonna take my and my buffalo take away. That's a good idea. Maybe that's all of it. They spitted the pint drinking when he's waiting for his food it's everywhere just dripping off his face. By the time he leaves take out at that at that point and in england for. I'll have a steak to go. i'll just carry it in my hands back. It's a turkey leg right. Yeah that's true. That's the move you that are you know. What are those famous english pies. They love so much. Okay here take off your. We'll put the potatoes in there. That's how you bring it. Well that's british food. Chris potato the boop potato boot yet. All right bakers would we're going to make. Today is the classic on potato boot why this one was Really hard. I never heard of potato boop before but Pru was pretty high on it. I guess the eight a lot when she was a little girl during the start of the dust real revolution in the recipe. Just doesn't tell you. How many boots are in there. You know mob. Monday made a potato in a bow with eggs in it. I don't know what these papers and pepperoni mexico's thanks to me. Your potato now to make perfect potato boots. You need crab fresh where the chives listening if you ever want to. If you're a yank- listening to this go look up. Gordon ramsay making scrambled eggs. It'll blow your fucking mind. I've that's how i make scrambled eggs now and it fucking rule. I'll tell you this steve. You told me about it. Because i am not interested in the world of gordon ramsay whatsoever and i never will be so you told me about it and i was like cool got it and i did it one time and i was like ain't nobody got time for this. Come on come on fuck and twenty five minutes making bags. Get atra troupe. Is a classic dropped to in a glass and drink it man. That's right dude. Couple of little shots tabasco. In there. Absolutely i was so sorry that you have to fuck whisking egg. No it's the whole thing you cook it for a little bit. You take it off the heat you to bit tell you i do you know what dude gonna be fucking lunchtime potato. Exactly you eat the potato your food on your on your day. I couldn't believe it either for not knowing what a potato when a boot was. I got the handshake from paul hollywood on all these shoes. Polish people from london. dado no soccer manchester. We actually have two eight. Two potato maria boot. It's not a made you act. Actually at the boat booed is undone. It's raw are you ever. You ever see that movie where the verner herzog eating potato and a boot. It's a good one if we're talking to english cooking and you know we've lost all our english listeners. I love you. We'll talk to you next week. Right as they're going to be angry. Not because we're mocking them because someone's going to be like potato buddhist classic what you shouldn't tell what. The fuck is a pudding. Because i watched these shows that it's like oh here's the discount putting it's a fucking poke pudding. Ham senators no. It's a polk putting. Oh here's a a word pudding and it's a book. everything's fucking pudding. It problem is they. Just got different words for steph putting over here to us as just like shit. You made an ajello sure It just means different things. I'm being incredibly. ignored always. Yeah he's actually acquisitive he wants to do. I think it just means it has a saas stuck exactly like oh i got a pop in to the shop. Getting my put in and it just means anything. Let me just use my money. Putting here you yanks call it a wallet Fish and chips pudding would let me. Just put this putting on mccormack twenty yanks corner in the suicide squad. Movie didn't Harley quinn have putting on her ask something putting that's what she was a nickname for the joke. Oh yeah her nickname for the joker now is that because he reminds her of british cooking. Yes for sure d. That's definitely one hundred percent in the uk so they could understand listen okay. Her boyfriend is not like foodstuffs. Okay bit code of my head pudding go it ahead hat. The uk suicide squad. She has like top mate on her underwear they love. They love saying mates they do. Love saying wait. We won't know because none of them listen anymore. We we've exiled them all. Listen if cova has ever cured and if covid two and three are cured maybe one day. We'll be there. And i'd be happy to hear about your puddings. I also eat a potato in a boot absolutely know like some like if it's a really high quality boot and you cook it long enough. I'm sure it's fine. I'll just say that. Last year chelsea. And i were in london and we ate incredibly. Well i'm just gonna fucking put brexit mate putting in a boot before potato. Nomo potato got put it in a book. We sip it out of it. Wasn't it rather just kinda sauce. Its thick sauce. We just drink it continues to be stupid. We apologize and i'm sure. I'm sure they've fancy words for us like the colonies but what's what else is derogatory about america. Oh everything everything that'd be like offensive ass country for so many reasons and we're discussing in. Our food is gross. We see the only good food we have. We've stolen from other places so don't worry about it just like them exactly. Here's here's something. That i fucking loved that chelsea point. We watched it. If you have a ghost encounter we're your to like co workers. Come back from the grave. Sing you a song tell you more. Ghosts are on the way. How the fuck is this dude fast asleep when this first goes i'd be in a chair in the corner of the room with a fucking fireplace poker ready to go for. These are the days when you could just get a good old bottle. A heroin to sit before he went to bed. Oh yeah he had to get fucking blackout. High dude is what you're saying that says the time. Let me ask you this. you got the good pudding. Put it for me. The poppy you got any any of that. Go black tar. Putting i love. Here's my question and there's a real question about would this be better. Would this be worse so clearly. They went with um new puppet designs to keep it closer to the dickens story. You know what i mean like. Cape every you know that's where you break them up anything but originally the costuming the puppets themselves each ghost of christmas past pro. Joe's i start talking about just like the muppets general. I don't know dude. Kermit looks pretty much like kermit too far. From marley and marley. Let me to say the least good song of this movie yeah. It's just it's kinda tedious. Where marley and they do really love the singing. Lock boxes though. They are like top five creations for this movie. I'm like i can love that. 'cause that's even below like a muppet animal yet. Now it's just a muppet fucking object talking sentient about by pens that i'm using. It makes me think you know. We'll be fucking rad is a muppets beauty. And the beast little household item singing and dancing. Disney owns the mall now. Why don't they do that. They should they just might. When did you should submit something to the disney suggestion box. Yeah we just ask to be robbed. Just get dan stevens to do it again. One is the okay. I did not. I did not watch that. Did you say that. He was the body guy. Because it's motion capture. It was also his voice also in call of the wild as not the beast as a as just a guy. He's the talking dog now now. he's just he's actually a villain down. Would you talk with dan stevens. We're we're we're we're you sorry. That's fine my question was so the the ghost chris past present and yet to come are all just like very literal designs of how they're described in christmas. Carol not muppets. Would it be better. If i read this on. i'm db originally. It was supposed to be like miss. Piggy was going to be the ghost of christmas present. You know it excluded was gonna be passed and actually going to be future or somebody else is going to be future. No that's terrible idea. No that's yeah i agree. I think that's awful. Because what's great about the way they do. These is because none of them are things you've seen before it makes it more. You know because the movie you can either go. More towards the muppet movie or more towards a charles dickens adaptation and the fact that these three things while all puppets in their own way two of them are people under puppet suits like it just makes it more a fuller thing. So it's not just like the entire muppet show and also i think if you make muppets as the spirits. It just totally cheapens yet. Because like the reason. It's so scary when a christmas yet to come like that is an incredible design. It's towering over fucking michael. Cain if it's like gonzo you're like let the fuck. Is this little truck blue. Furry and telling me to do i great you guys but everyone sites the ghost of future. Whatever is the scariest one because it's the grim reaper. Guy but honestly this fucking past. Ghost is ab flow ghosts. Nothing see i totally think you're right because ghost of christmas yet to come like that's scary ghost of christmas past that's bone and there thank you this fucking dead baby. It looks like it's fucking swimming in clam chowder. What it reminded me of somebody. One of you saw this recently. God told me to. Oh yes yes little floating guy at the beginning when he sees god looked a lot like that and it really made me this. Watch eerie for me. I don't remember what you're talking about from that movie. Dude it's it's been a real long time since. I put that on a must watch that for christmas but it's a bus daughter i do. It's chilling and like it. Just it's got the pb voice superpower. By the way. I can remember every christmas ever from the start to jesus. That is fucking hilarious. Do something i only noticed this time around but we are making multiple references to there have been a little over eighteen hundred christmases. And you just like. I get it the zero. Whatever that fucking like. Imagine dying and they're like okay. Welcome to ghost life. Your power is fucking christmas. All right get out there. And the chris passed i saw cheese jerk off and shit of christmas. Miracle right there. I've seen everything. I know when you jerk off scrooge i i saw one console was born boy. Was that weird dude. I think lonzo what happened with gonzo is he was rosemary's baby. That guy was a little furry and whatnot and it's just a real nature versus nurture situation. Because i think rosemary got away Can this alternate text. Grab the devil baby and then just raised it to be a little gaza very kind to it too. It seems oh. And jesus was into some wild stuff actually. He was david courtesy of to religious. And i apologize. Sure that's the crucifixion. He was holier than thou and just hung out with sex workers for the fun of it. I you know like guys that e that's next this podcast is always in play. doesn't care. Engine muppet christmas. Carol or batman mask of the phantasm lookout for that episode bipolar. Don't don't think like a cool family title. I can listen with my seven year. Old year comes the jerk off. Joe it stay the east answer. Explicit and erotic and everywhere everywhere gets everywhere it gets into gums up the where we had to delete the dumbo. episode No we did it up kid. Stop it rumors But yeah so. She comes around and she's like. Hey let's go and you know. I'll show your past and that's you know it's kind creepy. Seem like a little kid. And i don't know if he's an orphan or not. There's two sons that that were deleted that nobody cared about. Not the one that you you andrew like there's a bunsen in Beaker song which sucks and then there's a same eagle song that comes up right here. That sucks ass to where it's just like thanks. It's just like when you learn you'll know everything but what could same. Eagles single voice like leonard. Cohen men. that's pretty popular musicians who sang. Don't think it would be great in a muppet movie necessarily so long as pigging And i couldn't tell you aside from whole you single fucking leonard. Cohen songs can participate this bit. Avalanche came down over the kermit And what was the first one you said. Steve was abundant and beaker. Song about giving Also get the fuck out on the soundtrack on spotify. You can just listen to you. Interested didn't they didn't film them. They did the soundtrack. I guess or something. It was in the script. They just made them but they never actually filmed the bits. We should say that all these songs were by. Paul williams the great paul william a ton if not all of them up at songs Great musician in his own. Right phantom of the paradise of course You know kingship fucking dude on the music scene. I love that he's been affiliated with the muppets I love the line as they're flying into the past. They're like going over london and like the visit great one to hear from gaza and rizzo where I think it's rizzo's like hell al london and gonzaga's goodbye lunch just love imagining. He's just like vomiting down an. I'll cheeky. we're going to be eating well tonight. That's sky put in a heavy sauce. You see it's just a happy you put your mouth open underneath a sick person's window and you right in your mouth. Oh that's awful but yeah so little so little kids scrooge. i love that like even as a little child. he's like get hey with that. Suck and christmas shite. 'cause all his other like little school chums are like. Oh hey this scrooge. Are you going to go home for christmas. Because he's like a boarding school or whatever. It's like christmas. I think i mean 'cause they say let go home. I don't think it's like a charles foster kane sold to a bank kind of you. You don't really get mentioned of his parents. I don't know if it's in the book at all but it's not a mask you is something. Sure a humbug. Something like a really loud insect. I mean it's just it's it's kind of bullshit. I think it's the idea. Is that you. Yeah that's like a british curse. I don't think they're doing it now. It's the c word and humbug. a letting them humbug. definition humbug. Oh you got it you you you unless you want to do it. Well i mean i. I've got a wikipedia. history thing. Oak humbug is a person or object that behaves in a deceptive or dishonest way often as a hoax or ingest the term was first described in seventeen fifty one as student slang and recorded in eighteen. Forty as a nautical phrase. It is now often also use as an exclamation to describe something as hypocritical nonsense. Or and i think this is where scrooge comes into play gibberish. I'll be honest with you. If i had a son. Even if i had you know has the name ebeneezer. I don't want to hang out with him. Yeah i gave him the name and everything but still regrets come up. We'll then why not. Why are you giving him the name. Entities your grandfather's name or something. You know yeah. Ben is fine fine name do you think. There's a bunch of like fucking brooklyn hipster biagini out there named ebeneezer ebi. I bet there's one or two but you know everyone else's named francois or some shit or stapler or like mckenzie or you'll get a lot of mackenzie's out there. I don't understand it. I really don't see that's the thing. it's like. Listen kate listeners. You think we sound crazy nigger it but we trust us. We test the rest of the united states far more than you. Yep so you know. Sam eagle telling him about business and i love. There's a fucking great job. Here is just like business. It's the american way. And then like gonzo comes in and whispers. Yeah zarrella like. It's the british. It's such a hilarious thing. I mean that joke works so well because it is just like. Sam eagle is like the most row american muppet character in that way. So it's hilarious. These like the headmaster at the school. I joked just always worked so well for me You know so that nothing really happens here. We go ahead and time. He's an adult now. We do get a line you know. He's like maybe a teenager so like oh you're getting like some. It's like a job opportunity. Or you know an internship or something in london and then this brings us to london a little older. And i love mike. Michael caine the. Here's the thing like this. I think this line that he has around here is a great example of how well he sells this whole thing because he's like big in front of you know this factory and he's like oh. This is old fuzzy wigs rubber chicken factory and like he says it with such legitimate awe. And wonder you know but he has to say rubber chicken fact yet just like this guy is one of the greatest actors to ever hold job you know. I love ozzy wigs party. We get to see a little bit of. It's like job as palace the bachelor of pepper. Paprika rapper pappa. Can i help you i mean i i do love one that we have fosse's mom because fosse's mom is also in that other muppet christmas special where they go to their house and get snowed in. Yes now. that is a classic in my wife's household. And i see i've seen that one countless times at this point. I totally family christmas. That's what is called so great. And i love the whole. There's a great joke of like you know they're playing like very period appropriate music for this party and then like of course. Because it's just the fucking you know. What are they. Dr teeth and the electric rhythm whenever the band is like so animals on drums. And he's getting pissed off plane this triangle and he just has to go into the solo and then it just turns into hot jazz museum. Just now comes the fucking the hooch man. Everybody likes them. Mccoy tyner here ago. Yeah so th this thing is great you get. There's a lot of like one one and done sort of muppet cameos here like the doctor. Teeth band This is really like fosse's only seen also fucking swedish chef in them. Creepy ass human hands dude. He's year serving up talking grape. So i have a question so this guy the young michael cain guy that walks in here so this is like his first like early job at when he's done with his studies so he's supposed to be like what seventeen eighteen this well they do say he's been apprenticed to ever. And that's that is citizen kane. You just got sold. You're an apprentice. You wig now entered servitude. Think it's supposed to be like some years have passed. he's firmly in his twenties. Now i guess that makes more sense now because like if this string. Bean is supposed to be like sixteen. No no no no. Yeah i think this is like a post post unique situation. Let's probably got like what fifteen years left to live. that's nice. It is kind of shocking. That ever these scrooges lives to be as old as he does regardless of changing his ways batman and they hold on they hold on for dear life all these evil crooked fuckers got access to the secret cabals of the underworld that we don't as poor men like they get stem cells from children. And what shit anything you want. You want some frogs stem cells. Kermit i can get the frogs generation that if you looked at pictures of trump rudy. Giuliani end chris. Christie's there's no way all three of them we're going to beat it. There's no way i'm going to beat. And they did. You forgot kripke per chuck grassley as well ninety seven years old and fucking flew by it. There's still some steam left from epsteins island that they're all sucking down the all doctors sleep him. Yes so you know. This is a great day. I love michael. Cain here because The ghost is like hey. I seem to remember another christmas. You had with this girl and immediately knows what it is and you do not show me that christmas you know and this is we get a little further on in time like maybe a year or two. It's like they're engaged He's engaged to this woman bell. He's putting off the wedding because yo- he his stock portfolio isn't where he wants it to be and he wants more money for the wedding and it's all under the guise of like. Well i just want to give you a good way. She's getting pissed off and this is where they cut off. The love is gone song. Like hey motherfucker this sucks. I'm tired of waiting around for you. And i'm not feeling the same way anymore and what you see after. They cut this out of the theatrical version is just like like the song even sort of like starts to swell up and then it just cuts to gonzo and rizzo crying and they cut to michael. Cain and the tears rolling down his face but like she has said something so innocuous before that cut that it just makes no sense you. It's basically like i dunno scrooge. I'm getting tired of waiting for you. Ebeneezer like whatever it is. They're just like weepy. Then i became an in sell. It would be funny if they just made the cut and it's just a loud voice. Says she broke up with him. Fucking recorded by jeffrey katzenberg. Still put too. Yeah there but at the same time. I think the song might add a little more to this. And especially since it's kind of a reprised in the ending. Well that's the other thing right. They bring it back you know for a rejoinder there and it's like love is found and like you can tell just from the way that it swoops in that it's like this is a song we should have heard before so it just it doesn't it doesn't ruin that movie but like come all right all right so you want me to signify. She broke up with him and then they broke up to the council. Why she's she has to break up with him. She's eighteen years old and she's about fifteen days away for being an old debate. She's got she's got time no time to spare that's very she's got be casas grandmothers. The whole town is going to be talking about. What a fucking loser. Rug the rocks at our house because she's unmarried nineteen dude. You can't do it. I think she fucking broke up with ebeneezer and went on to marry fauzi wig dude. Nice i dude. He's fucking a little obsessed with his mom. look everything. It is weird in that party scene looking at a younger statler and waldorf that's unsettled shared. His best friend is his mother. You ate like a bear avenue. I'm twenty three years old. I'm halfway over with my life. I have to do something else with it. Oh you want me to put my mother. How just more totally not famous. Norman bates dialogue. i would like to see fauzi. Likes jerk off watching someone threw a people and then like stab women. Dude up chris psycho dude so it would be be fuzzy as norman bates sure. I guess it'd be miss. Piggy obviously as janet louis for sure. Yup who would be the investigator. Would that be curb it. Maybe old muslim they're gonna be kermit's gotta be the love interest. I am luma. That makes sense. It's curve him loomis. Who's fallen on the stairs. That great shot those my question. You know ralph is a good one six. Yeah you know what actually think. You're right chris. Because wasn't there a bit on the other. Show where ralph was a detective or something sounds right or maybe there was on monday babies. I have like a memory of ralph being peon. he would fill out a trenchcoat. I think i remember him in a sherlock cap. So yeah maybe yeah. So yeah he could be. He could be the martin balsam character. You can have So then who's the sister. it's also miss piggy. But she doesn't have a hat on the way to do it. Oh man. I want like miss piggy in vertigo. And it's like i found another pig. Get your hair done like that's right. Look at the pig jumped off into the river. Back shot of this pig with a wig on with tight-knit back air. It would be rad. Do you have the big fucking painting of miss piggy and the big bun. Yeah see it all happening. Oh no she fell off the fucking church staple here it is. She's just a bunch of bacon on the ground disney. I know you're listening. I wanna cut. It's a half. It's a series of half hour specials on disney plus muppet hitchcock presents. Yes and it just like thirty minute. Adaptations of all these hitchcock classics be weird. I'm going to tell you what in. Yeah so the birds is happening but gonzalez fucking animal. Yup that's exactly right dude. The birds were replaced with chickens and gonzalez horny through the whole half hour on zone. Kermit in rope that works shooting ropes over those chickens. I would like to film rope. Yes yes the frog. Why did you have to set it. Set it up right here. If you had like the end of muppet hitchcock's saboteur and they're on the statue of liberty and it's like the statue of liberty is looks like miss piggy. Yeah it's all it all rights itself. It's super easy to do It really is super So you know whatever now. We're going onto the ghost of christmas present. Of course come on in and know me better than me. Roll it up dude that roll it up and we're going to enjoy ourselves is nuts. Man seem the spread of food. This guy has. I thought it was watching seven. This is your classic unsettling guy in a muppet suit though. And that's where. I get a little creeped out. Even he's a little creepy. It's a person mascot iota weird. But why i love it though is like the dual performance of whatever. Poor bastard has to be in this costume clearly sweating to death and then like the robot had to do all of the facial expressions. I mean like it's it is very impressive. I'm just saying in sweden so me out same situation literal monster but it just a full on due to the muppets. Sued always the big the bigger. They are the fucking more i remember. Fuck brendan gleeson. Had to drop out this song like to borrow a phrase from the kids you know. It's slaps fox shoots inside me. Whatever they're saying sure of course it is a good too. I do like michael. Cain is kind of doing remember that dance. Jack nicholson does. In tim burton's batman that leg. He pretends to be a. I'm a little bit. That's the dance is doing where it's all arms and shoulders. It's great because it's like you know his psycho path. The veneer is like melting away. This is also where he he makes his first joke of the movie. Right here because You know the the guy the guy the fucking spirit of christmas present is like you know I have over eighteen hundred brothers and sisters. Or whatever and michael caine goes Imagined a grocery bills like the way that he says it was like. Oh this is the first joke. I've told fucking fifty eight years. And i'm nervous that it's not going to go over. Well he timidly says this joe office and of course then. This guy just starts laughing because he loves life and i love that. It's just it's a money joke. Of course yup. Yeah exactly well. He's got a dusty old book back at his flat there. That's just one hundred and one killer money just so he's the money monster. I think we were monster. Julia roberts is telling him to become become stay at so what was so wait so this guy lives for a day every year or is it a different guy every year different guy do this why he says he has over eighteen hundred brothers and sisters. Lucky fuck dying. That's nice. I would be doing more. I would be doing more than just hanging out with this old man. But i've got a fucking get it wet real quick. That's my fucking superbowl bowl forty. It's like i got backup for time. Fuck anything that moves overhear scrooge. there's a deleted scene why scrooges veneer starts to peel the come in and know me better man hit this real quick and we'll go fly. Got all right spirit. I never never hit the oh. This is some sticky acacia spirit. Good job spirit that you have fish. Excellent p. h. I. s. h. A recode fish pudding do a better off outside. Oh i love this so train. I'm believable man. Run like the spirit. There's a great thing where they so they go to takes them to fred's house fred's and it's fucking great because the cow dude. I is like he's like oh you know we've we've done it. We've opened presence. We sing carols. What's next how bad a game and fucking scrooge immediately turns this goes to goes to people play games at christmas but this is like every an anxious person with a capital a every exit persons like literal nightmares. You finally get to see what everyone does and what everyone's doing is talking shit about you all the time when you're not whom they are talking so much about you it's crazy and they cut it. They call it yes or no but it's basically like a twenty question trying to guess what i'm thinking of again. That fucking screwed sucks. Yeah we around a fucks groot must be some other scrooge ted screw son of a bitch scrooge overhead his second cousin ted screw. I was saying ted screw. Yeah ted scrooge right. His father was the zodiac killer Yeah it's it's great to because they're like so let's get this straight it's a sentient being. It's totally fucking discussing. Look at everybody hates him. Oh it's ever these are scrooge. meanwhile they are having christmas. With ju like deformed toad fair you talking about me in this game. Also unpleasant to look at fred. Have a tiny dick. Oh yes he does. He said litas. Do i fantasize about his violent death every night you deal. Would the world be better off without it certainly would be So they fucking shag as take me. You know somewhere a little more. Happy big goto. Kratz neighbor. i. I love fucking ebenezer's groups. Immediately disgusted they warp to that part of town and he's like what spirit wear always. This is disgusting. Smells like shit like that. So where your employees. Bob crotchet lives you. Ignorant fuck and you know this is the debut of miss piggy in. The movie is mrs crotchet. This is another great trailer thing of rizzo falling down the chimney and burning his feet on the goose. Would you look at this shit man. And i have to kudos where kudos earned the disney plus transfer. Here looks really well done. You can see like just disgusting ash that is falling on this bird that these people don't know about and then they're just going to eat it and it's covered in dirt driving me oh. Ocd crazy. i mean there are half of the people here pigs dude. Yeah i would you literal pigs. These aren't literal pigs. These are people pinks would go here for killing these pigs. Here's the other thing too guys we to we've gotta talk about it. It's miss piggy kermit. Finally faulk after all these years of will they won't they they fucking have children's we're doing the lady and the tramp method where like the girls are her. The boys are him. But like you gotta have half pig half half frogs here. That's the only way this makes. Oh steve can. I just interject and offer up you. Don't this how about green a green pigs like the good maurienne card. Green pigs in pink frogs. Now that's something that that i'd sign on you. Give me a half frog half pig child. I'm going to be screaming for it to be murdered. I would be taken right out of the movie. Now i'm watching a fuckin- zeno more from this. What would it look like like. We're trying to assign attributes from a frog an from a pig into one beer. Guess you'd have a snout would be there while i think. Yeah it's it's a pig can jump really far big tongue with a snout either. Well either way. You are waiting with baited breath for tiny tim to die if that'll killed this kid scrooge that's why his life is in danger. It's like it's like. It's an abomination against god took a mule. They don't they don't live that long. You know that of the green pig on the crutches gonna die. That's fine moving on nah. And it's kinda funny too because like there's there's like tiny tim who's played by robin. Who like in the show is like kermit's nephew. So that's like a real muppet. But then this other one peter and these two little girls are just like fake creation. Yes which are great benin and bettina like these twin pigs. It is hilarious like miss piggy forgetting. Which one is which. I've always loved that. I i do like. They're like a with their mother in the same exact wedding. You know like totally. It always gets me man like again. I don't know what katzenberg's got up his ass but like your fucking worried that kids think that song is too sad mother fucker the existence of little little robin As tiny. Tim is the saddest heartbreaking thing and you know obviously you can't cut that out of the movie but let's be realistic man like you're making a sad scary movie and it's what you could cut the slow pad in on the empty chair with the little christ. Jesus jud not a dry eye in the house that little crutches and you know what the other thing chris. You're totally right because you know what they are. Never going move that chair. No they're never gonna move that crunch that's there to. They have fucking sell that house. Lars terriers muppet christmas. Carol man darkened sad world duck. Lucky you're really fucking lucky. I'm in you know. Miss piggy talk. A missed piggy. I like you know disney production. Let's remember wasn't that fox. anti christ. A muppet yes fucking europa. Whoever ventures production capping is there they had to fucking they hung outside the muppet studios back door and waited for them to throw out some old muppets in the dumpster and they like finally tossed a fox. Let's grab it. This'll yell at willem defoe in this move trope but makes a huge fuck it by on all the leftover puppets from meet the feebles zentropa that is production company. Thank you. I recognize this spirit. This is the house that jack built. God muppets has the jacksonville. That's of the you would. Oh my god now. I'm just picturing it right. The fucking the titular house. At the end of the movie it's made with all dead muppets. Oh man yeah. I'd watch that bruno cons wellness piggy roku dogville. It's what how horrible when you think. Stick around. I think he'll be quite terrifying break all of her statue risks. Ooh miss piggy in the dark. That's a bad one was thinking about this piggy fucking on a golf course also that shingling it off back. Yeah maybe we just stick to the hitchcock pitch for day is going to be hartselle up around it's just fucking bunsen hitting baker to death with a sock full of pennies or whatever. He was doing that in that movie. Jamie bell jamie bell I love the whole they go in. Scrooge goes into the house and they're getting ready to start dinner. And you know scrooges like the to the founder of the feast scrooge and like miss. Piggy fucking loses. It it's like dude. I'm fucking sick and tired of being married to this guy who will do nothing but fuck and take it from this boss. Who's terrible and they. She just starts going on out of this is like the daughters like agreeing and everything and again. It steve's worst nightmare of like just standing in a room invisibly and like everyone should talking back play. I learned some hot costs from you today. Spirit oh that's spilling not all day and then. This is the tiny. Tim starts off this great. Bless us all song. Which just god damn little robin. I will always tear up with this guy. It's unbelievable Michael cain is fucking crying. Watching this song be sung by this family And then you know it's the great you know. This is like your tell me spirit know what happens to tiny tim you know and your the he's like i don't really know man but i gotta tell you if these shadows aren't altered i suspect the child will die. I kinda wanted spirit. Does he live. They just cut. It gives them a creaky hearing good. I got the lifespan of a moth. Really i'm not gonna live right now and by the way everyone dies spirit as going to fuck you. Want fucking dying. You just be happy that it wasn't the fucking green pig. Fuck and singing. The song that i saw your right chris because the other thing is you're mashing them to animals guaranteed breathing problems like a pug or a puddle. Even carol got the heart a day. So this dude. I love to that they make the poppet is aging throughout this whole sequence. So by the time they appropriately get to a graveyard. This guys like you know all the gray or the red is all out of his beard. You're a big white bushy beard. Now he's looking more like santa by the second Any fucking eat shit and he says you know. I leave you with the ghost of christmas yet to come. And then i'm i'm getting my fucking diaper on this. God damn grim reaper. Spirit is terrifying even as a thirty six year old adult terrified of this thing. Kind of looks a lot like the grim. Reaper is also a puppet in monty. Python's the meaning of life. I wanna say similar like person in a big hump your sue. It's like the inflatable rat. It's humongous the grim reaper economically. That's just the muppet yeah. That's true the quietest buffet of the mall. I love the. There's a great. It's so fucking awesome like the whole notion of guns. Oh and rizzo being fucking terrified and just gonzo turning to the cameron being like well. You're on your own folks was meet you at the great which it as a kid to again. It's like i'm sitting there watching it. Like oh shit will if it's too scary for the muppet has yeah it man. It does put a hat on it. Being this is gonna fuck you up dude. Look out a totally ed. This is the goes to an alley. Says that the spirit you know like all right. I'm ready to learn. Show me what you gotta show me. I already feel fucking terrible about everything And they're in the alleyway. This is where he overhears like the four or five pigs all talking about somebody who died and just laughing about it and like they're asking. I love the one thing of like. Oh are you gonna go to the funeral and the one biggest like yeah if dinners sir. Mention of a free lunch totally and that reminded me of thing. When i was younger we went to a funeral for a family friend who passed away and there was a guy there who we knew from our church. But i wasn't aware that this guy knew this person that we were there. The wake for and i remember saying to my father was like. Oh there's that fucking weirdo from church or whatever you know. I didn't know he knew this person and my dad was like yeah. He didn't know her. Everybody knows that guy in town. He goes to all these funerals so he knows where the fucking like receptionists afterwards and he goes for the free food. It's like oh my god. That's the next staff brothers movie. Is this guy who goes to and like steals trays of meat balls. Bring back to his house. Do san back together or just love. That finally john amos is oscar. Bring him back dude. He's got all these funerals. That's right dude yet. John amos funeral food. The'd if anyone questions him. He says he's doing reconnaissance for his own. I was thinking of going with his funeral parlor and wanted to see how they execute these things. Yes so these dudes are laughing about it and then this is another disgusting moment of like they go in this little like basement area of this building and this disgusting all joe the spider who's like all these people coming to him and he's like when he got throw joe. Gimme gimme subsc rude paraphernalia. I love that old joke and still be surprised like we you know i got as coach and i got tea and like what does the last lady have the bed curtain. I got the beker. Jesus christ chuck it but you take it would do. They want the corpse. Glenk it like his blanket. That still warm ever had they mentioned. It's pretty funny. And then they just have a big old laugh at his expense while he watches. Wait my favorite spiderman right here nice. Oh joe he's going to be in spider student. Whatever the fuck spider guy with multiple limbs like spider pretty cool. Look i would. I crawl over dead bodies all the time. But i would take like gee i love this fucking disgusting. Death merchant is horrified morals. Akpo this fucking like fighter. Fagin spider is fucking a moral backbone. Incredible so this this is the by misremembered. This is the part where he's like. Please spirit like show me something good in this world and he takes them to tiny t the crash residents and You know it's the you know. A big contrast from the last time we were there you know. People were out in the streets here the joyous christmas day. Whatever and this is like it's fucking raining. they do a good job of. It's raining and there's almost no snow anywhere like it's just. It's so not the you know. Happy white christmas kind of a thing. And he's like why is it. So quiet. Spirit and the fucking pup just points as if to say like the fuck you think it's gone and it's just i mean this is just so it's incredible to me that you're using a bunch of animal puppets and like it's so just this dramatic scene of like you know from what you can gather tiny. Tim dies like two days before christmas. you know and scrooge died recently like what were they in the same car. But he's like come on spirit like you know a life can be made right and everything but this is like you're just watching it. Miss piggies like crying over the stove and the girls are like you know. Oh you know it's all right. You'll tiny. Tim wouldn't wanna see you cry. Why is dad late. And the other kid. Peter's like yeah the past two nights. He's walked home from church a lot slower. And you're just like yeah so affected but like these were pop. It's do fucking pigs in space in the senate not now. No no no no the lady breaking up with the guys disad part we get rid of that we got. We got a happy as family. Christmas movie slow pan on the dead child's chair. It's no surprise that that idiot then went onto thing. That was a good idea. You thought cutting that song good was good. You thought fucking was good. Why don't you retire when he's gone on is what if those guys so you would not be surprised if it turned out to be the actual devil. Jeffrey cats like that checks. That totally checks But they eat a kermit comes home and you know it's just this like incredibly depressing like we'll always remember tiny and like fucking kermit is getting choked up and this was the guy you know. This was the first outing for the dude who replaced jim. Henson of course as the original voice of carmen. This was his first time doing it. He's good he's fucking great. I mean you're the story about how he gained confidence. Do the role. And you think it's a little crazy but zia confidence man. Now he was sweating it right. He was very like. I mean as you would be like. You're the new voice of fucking kermit. The frog and thirty years or whatever it's a terrifying undertaking like big responsibility and he says and hey if it worked for him whatever nand but i just think it's kinda funny that he fucking was like sleeping one night and he said that Jim henson came to him in a ochre and was like you know. Hey man you're gonna do great. And then the next morning he woke up and felt like he was ready to do what. He's having like mel blanc to fucking go and haunt those people. Who did the second takes on like bugs and daffy and all them some of those. Get really bad man. Yeah i don't know day daffy fuck out here. What are you supposed to do. It's crazy because when you look at these videos of nobody's on youtube like doing all these impressions and they're great and it's like i i don't know man like new bugs china side. I i watched an episode of the of the latest tunes and i loved yosemite was like oh tar nation assembly sam. Everyday guy can't can't succeed in this world. You have to be related to an ebony at least back in the oil baron days or a related to a hansen. It seems shit shots fired dude. Fuck brian great. I would i would say you know. He's a fine. He's a fine dude. But then i saw that happy time murders and i'm saying fuck them actually true look african once in a while somebody thinks they have a good idea and like some other person is like with money is like yes that is a good idea. Go make that great idea. And it's not until everything has been put to bed that you realize it was one of the worst thing. Go and meet some people with money. Look when i heard about the horny. Octopus coming and the shotgun the couch. I thought it was great on paper. At least no one got broken up. It's very Say this is. He starts pleading with the spirit. You know alive can be made right spirit. Oseberg takes him to the graveyard. And you know it's the great Whose name is on that tombstone. Who was that. Who was that old codger. That they were all laughing about. You know the guy. The poor fucking death is sitting there like a. Who do you think screwed at the been paying attention. That cnn heat when wayne grow goes to the parking robert deniro and robert de has all those fucking garbage bags it is. What are those for had. It's like you do. That's on sorry the heat. That's anew robert deniro you you have to play it a little cooler. They're going to kill that guy. You gotta pretend that you like him or he's gonna run away. that's exactly big big fucking goof. And he. I'm so overdue for rewatch of heat. Michael manch be fucking sending me a bill. You are because that's a perfect quarantine movie. It's three and a half hours long and made by michael man totally Get on that. I think there's a four k on a drink for the person on. Twitter is a drink. Every time i said gonna four k on the batman returns episode. And i get it but i was enthusiastic at the time. You know so yeah. This is the end of christmas. Carol please please spirit you know. Give me another chance. Yada yada yada. And i love this. This is the greatest cut in this movie. He's grabbing onto the spirits robes. And he like you know puts all his weight into it and they bam cut to michael caine pulling a drape down in the bed and he's back at it such an such a great cut. I love it so great. And then it's the fucking the rabbits outside. This is the edge christmas day. Oh great. I didn't miss it still time. You know. he throws a little sack of money down his rabbit and he's like go to the grocery store by me that turkey they'll be rich asshole sucking turkey. I'm going to try this this year. I'm gonna open up my window. Unclear day the first person. I see him throw money. I am a white guy Go give you a turkey fucking age always going to call the police on the way he that rapid comes back he's gonna turn it into a a rabbit duck but he's he's got other stops mcmanis running around saying merry christmas everybody He finds bunsen and beaker on the street. And says hey. Put me down for this much like whispers and like bunsen shits his pants. Last night i began microdosing. It is really opened my eyes. I realize i've been such a piece off the liquid harran. I'm on the liquid cocaine And this is a touching moment to because he's like you know considerate the back pay for several missed christmas or whatever and you know a beaker or bunsen is like wish there was something we could give you and baker takes the sweater off his own neck and gives it to this guy and like michael. Cain is just receiving a scarf from a pop but still is legitimately touched. He's kind of like tear up a gift for me. You know and you're just like jesus. Christ the excellence. Onscreen would've guessed that beaker would have a huge emotional moment in this movie. I never thought it was possible. I normally find him kind of annoying But he's actually okay on that disney plus show that they had like six episodes of that they made like in quarantine. Whatever it's called. Muppets now or something Not a great show. But kind of okay and i one hearing of it. Yeah it's a show. I don't know. I mean it's like it's very much like influenced by quarantine. They're all doing various isolated like web. Show kind of bit real for me right now. I mean also the guy playing kermit for this. There was some hubbub. I think because the guy playing kermit in this replace this dude. From muppet christmas carol. Who's been doing it ever since and everybody was like infuriated that that guy got fired in face of this new guy kermit the frog era. Also you know what in terms of corentin whatever. And i hear one more. You're on mute joke. I'm gonna fucking shoot somebody. I i'm really joking. What the joke is like. Oh someone you know how we all are these days on our zooms in someone's talking but they don't know the rod as i hear you saying are you saying you hearing like jokes about that are just the notion of someone saying you're on mute and look i think it's one of those progressive ads on. You're on mute. Whatever bullshit it's like h- the tackiest quarantine the hacking of stroke of two thousand twenty year on mute as a joke. There you go you know what. Why don't you fuck keep flow on new talk and eight. That character salk. You could buy and sell your ass dude. No shit dude. Absolutely what scrooge starts like punking people he does. Well the best is i love that he goes time screw. It up could check case because his own only living relatives house at. He's like out. Merry christmas. I've i've clearly turned myself into a completely different person. By the way smoking hot baby wipes love that audio. Set like he just fucking leaves. I was like. Shouldn't you be happy christmas without the swaps. I'm sending money today. Oh fuck dude. A christmas body swap movie. Does that exist in the hallmark channel. So does it. happy right. Copyright we are and this humbug. Humbug is what darren air and it's like a mandolin an old and it's just doing his cruel japes like. That's a big cane isn't it. Our japan dot com hit want to borrow five shillings for your surgery. That said no. I'm putting a boot forever all right. Here's what's going to happen. I to- decrepit family. I'm going to pay all the tiny. Tim's medical expenses trophies. I pay to liquidate family's gonna come in thinking. He's had a successful surgery and instead he's dead. The log certainly would book off life support. That's the fucking american remake. Man is molly is going to put his foot and a bath. Perot news with us on with us. I also funny. Is he visits. I guess sam eagle and fuzzy. The old folks home. Yes yes it's a. It's a briefing. And i loved that fuzzy wigs got the old. The i don't even know what the fuck the fucking tube you stuck in your ears and you could hear better. Whatever that i think is from back. Then bring that back. Fuck hearing aids. Yeah totally like if i could dumb horns sticking zella from the last world cup. Stick it in your my god. Yes so then. We have the last of the movies we go to the crash. That's house You know there is a great fuck in gaza. Line here where. It's like and tiny. Tim who did not die fucking funny because it's like it's very clearly like all right kids kids it's fine. He's alive kind of yet totally. It's just so we wanna make sure everyone is either leaving the theater or turning off the vhs tape and not fucking crying about this dead baby frog You know and it's just it's it's it's kind of this fuck. This is the greatest punking right year. Though because it's like scrooge knocking on the door does a little bit of a cop knock on the crashes door and then crashing answers. And he's like i thought you were supposed to be at work today. Like really fucking with them and then piggy comes in starts telling them off. You know it's like at. I have decided giving you a raise. You know that sort of fixes the whole thing. But it's like. I don't know i still feel like striking terror into the sole of your employer or employee on christmas morning. Even though you are a nice guy now still a little bit of adecco ginga. Fuck off for christmas off. Thank you not at my house and you love. That's what he wants to do. Is i'm going to tell you what to shove it up your ass. Got to do it but she. Oh i'm giving a raise. Uk be mad. I'm giving you money here. Now go to the store. Buy me fucking sub. I'm rich. I'm a goodrich guard. Now cook this dinner. I i okay cooking you stupid cow. Cook it or. I'll cook you kick. What are your children Usually prefer christmas hab. Scream age patio when they talk usable live when he puts them absolutely. Yeah then we sing. The love is found which makes no fucking sense. but that's fine thanks katzenberg idiot And you know that's the end of the movie. It's a beautiful fucking eighty. Six minutes is You know we've managed to talk forty minutes longer than the most shores our show is going to has is the as was the style at the thai But you know. I don't know i. It's it's weird. Like i like we've been saying all month we're not talking about whether or not these hold up. They've made it to this month so clearly they they hold up i. My thing is now that brian henson confirmed. I guess it was a bbc radio interview. Not tinti no not into this was actually unbeaten confirms also also sourced and they confirmed that they found the original negative of the love is gone sequence in disney vault yet is a negative song. But i would. I mean you know it would be great if like this time next year. There's like a four k release of this undis- rank put back in. Yep thank you. it's put back. I'm going to say something different. You'll say ultra high definition. Nice marian it's you. But i would love to just own this movie like as a whole thing to have that again so dumb that on that disney plus platform. You can watch the deleted sequence in like the bonus material. And it's like if you're gonna put it they're just fucking dragging drop it back into the mood. I didn't even notice that. And i watched it on youtube like an s. I mean the disney plus interfaces garbage. We're were talking about this last night. Like when you're on the movie like after you scroll down past the description it should be like the more information so like cast and crew info. The next thing over is there's all your bonus shit and then the next thing after that is your suggestions what you know if you like this also watch this and the way that the platform does it is suggestions are i and it's just like it's that whole mentality. It's the same thing of why like you can only watch four and a half seconds of the credits before the fucking screen goes audience. Retention is what they call it. You know it's it's just sickening and it's another reason. Why like owning my own shit. So i don't have to like grab the remote because i'm like missing part of the fair. I don't think i ever looked at the description or cast on a streaming site ever in my no. Actually that pisses me off amazon. Got rid of it. You know the the amazon. It's just like it's a movie in this movie. Someone does something it's like. Who is it what did it come out what the fuck is going on. I've noticed amazon. That is really a fucking problem. I don't remember what movie it was. It was something that was very much not from league two thousand thirteen. But that's when they remastered or something so that's the new date everyone. Yes that's a problem yet. That is fucking terrible because they will also have other transfers of the same movie in. It'll have like a different year on it. Yeah it's garbage it's all it's all just a computer program as your workforce as your qc and it's it's very much a problem. What were you tried to tell me that. Casablanca dot com in nineteen ninety-six version. Six i mean but those are my fucking parting shots about this movie. Steve sadek any final thoughts on christmas. Cards i really enjoyed it. I mean it's it's not one of those ones. That i grew up with but i think it's really it's like i said it's incredibly sweet. It's very effecting And it does kind of have i like that it. It stays in the realm of money. What money can do. Because i think it's so easy to make this about cute and nice and it's more about like no if you've got the means you should help people at the very least Around the holidays. And it's it's easy to lose that message with the scrooge tail and this movie actually sticks with it which i like because it's so easy to focus right unlike the magic of christmas or whatever and like that is in this movie but it's not like you said the driving force of it and i think you're totally right on like if you have the means help other people and the notion of kerry christmas with you like throughout the year right like just be a fucking good person that rule that would rule man. Eric cisco final thoughts on muppet christmas. This is like top three muppet movies. If you haven't seen it obviously you should before listening to this. It's really good. I think. I think it's like muppet movie takes manhattan in this for me monday. Yes great movie and tax the rich. That's chris cabin. I mean it's less than ninety minutes. You're already on my bright side there Especially movies Yeah i this is my my wife. Grew up with this. So i've watched it a lot. It's probably the muppet movie. I've seen the most at this point and Yeah i like it. it's very sincere. It does actually care about dickens actual pros like the marlins were dead is the first line of the book. To first of all marley's were dead right. it's one marley. But that lie that they use is the first line in in the book The novel at that dickens wrote Yeah i would say probably muppet movie the manhattan then this and then caper for me I feel like muppet. It's i would go. Albouy forgot caper. That's a good one. Yeah caper. Capers fucking hugely underrated. But i would honestly have to say factoring in rewatch and like motivation to rewatch. I'd say it's for me this manhattan Probably movie and then caper although caper. Yeah totally underrated muppet. Movie charles. Grodin fucking phenomenal for me. Muppets strangers that a train Yup like oh and then a muppet family play. That rebecca is my my best with. Frenzy is some weird shit. I'll tell you oh. My god dude kermit's just strangling those women with rope. It's fucking weird. I would believe armie hammer is like one of the human muppet people. Yes dude. I would believe that too. Yeah i don't know the whole future of the muppets is very sad. Thanks to disney. But this you know you go back to this movie. Even though it was like released by buena vista it still feels more muppet eating me. You know for sure. But that's going to do a gang. That is the muppet christmas. Carol from nineteen ninety-two directed by brian. Henson we have one more week of we love movies. Releases here on the program Of course the patriots dot com slash. We hate movies. There's been all sorts of Bonus wwl am related material on their the big old three hour plus lord of the rings fellowship of the ring episodes right and we. We should let people know that. Like if you lighten this month. It's every month on that patriot. Feed we do. We love movies episode every stinking month. 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Todd Sklar has never seen Tenet

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Todd Sklar has never seen Tenet

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He is doing another christopher nolan movie. He has never seen it. He writes it. It is absolutely insane Even he wrote the script backwards he. It is written completely backwards. I as a joke to make fun of tenant when she hadn't seen and it's a more appropriate joke then i think he even realized but not only. Did he do that after he finished writing the script postpone the recording and inbetween writing it and recording. It he watched all of tenant. This is the most anyone has ever committed to this and it pays off. Hopefully i think it pays off. The script is so fun We're joined by. Rebecca ross joined by julian kiani and very funny comedian writer. Who's been on here before this whole thing is just a wild it. The backwards script is crazy. We don't we read it in the four words on here but we try to read it backwards. And i'm releasing that on the patriot on its patron dot com slash. Never seen it. That will be up today when this comes out as well so the thursday and it's us reading it backwards as much as we can. I'm going to post some pictures of his scripts. You can see this. He didn't just reverse the words he retyped it all backwards so the formatting is right it is i can't even call it a labor love. 'cause i don't think anyone loved it but it was a labor that doesn't sound like a cell but anyway todd has never seen tenant he rewrites it. We read his whole script. It's incredibly funny. He's such a good writer and we have so much fun with it. We talk a lot about ten. Maybe because it's the last movie i saw in a movie theater was a drive in but is bizarre. The holdings bizarre has backward. Script is hilarious. We played before and after some new dad games a new before and after style that involves movie quotes. Some perfect movie is a big big on full ten episode. 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And then i'm going to reverse that because it's ten ten tenting i mean. Yep that's what's happening but this is such a fun episode. it's i have. I laugh a lot. The script is bananas. It is on point and nothing at the same time. Which is what we're going for. This is todd. sklar has never seen tenant police enjoy. Please go check out our patriotic. And please find us on instagram and twitter. We're going to be doing another game night here soon. That was a lot of fun. We did a bunch of before and after a bunch of other. Never seen it games with fans with everybody hanging out with some team. Captains dave ross ryan singer. Rebecca was in there so fun. And and i'm going to report about that stuff on instagram twitter and discord or at never seen his show instagram and twitter are discord is at fart dot kyle layers dot com and you can come hang out with a bunch of fans and talk about all sorts of stuff not just movies in the podcast and we'll be posting the game nights on their. 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Yes during the two hours we had to reschedule today. Post writing my tenant script. While i was waiting for our new time i watched tenant and now i have seen tenant and i like my version better. So i'm like the funniest thing that possibly do is have to. We're supposed to record it noon and we had to move to two pm because they were drilling a hole in the street outside my house and in the downtime you watch the movie you'd already written. Oh yeah hell yeah didn't change the word you can even check the time stamp on the file. Hold on a second. Todd i just. I i need you to confirm from having a stroke because i just opened the pd. Everyone else opens crafts. Yes everything is everything is back. It makes more sense if you've seen it before a little bit of a wild guess on the actual spoiler for anybody but the actual movie is not not backwards. But that's what i thought. Okay how are we supposed to read phonetically. We can kind of ekit out make as much sense as we're recording this podcast in front of the mirror. I literally thought i was. I literally. I had a nosebleed earlier. I literally thought. I was stroking a before. I understand the only thing that i read. That is backwards right. Now is one of the characters name disease. I believe that wrote it in like normally watch tenet was like i gotta make this just a touch weirdo and then trying to. I'm trying to read. I'm trying to read this backwards. And i'm seeing that one of the character's names chappie and i'm really good jobs backwards reading so there's a huge attach the tech this right you're right. There's there's a mirror element to just getting the letters in the right order but then also here's where this really got. Intense is that the actual chronology of events is also do this the right way we should start at the end with the war. The other thing. That's confusing on the title. Page the name of the film is correct. I understand that i understand. It's a passenger room but the letters are not all and then but your name is backwards. But it's your first name backwards. Your last name backwards as opposed to your last name and then your first day whereas the whole scripts the whole script is sentences completely is what we call an inception. Check that out. Yeah oh. I'll send you guys a version of the script that has written for. We're going to do it. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to do it. The normal way and then the patriot for the show. We're going to do it. David lynch backwards which reading it. And then i will have the backwards and forwards version available for people. If they want alma l. will read it backwards. Then i'll put that on the patriarch for people who want to hear that. We'll read the backwards. We'll try to read the script normally. Okay okay. we'll loop it on backwards. I just sent a version of it where it's incorrect taxed. It's quartered front words. I there's gonna be a lot of spelling errors in the backwards version because spellcheck does not understand backwards taxes but this current version. The correct version is spelled correctly. Okay wow I'm like worried about even scrolling and seeing what. This is actually sorry. I was trying to think of. Who's the funniest okay now. Todd's name in the correct script. Says todd sclera really good name to go. Forward ra pallet. grow up could be attendance. It's very possible. We'll you're either attendant or a landlord. Check your token to make sure you're not dreaming right now. Okay the head space. That i'm in right now. I don't even know what to describe. You have the head space. You're in you say fuck sponsor for the episode actually sponsored by head space and. We'll get to that in a little bit though. This is not going to be very calming for people who are and it can turn off the episode after it's completed and then go on heads face. Use the code just the fact that We're talking about. There was a chance. This episode was supposed to be sponsored by the tenant. What happened with that. They they looked into the podcast in a little bit. I got we got ghosted. We got they were like. Hey we want to do a giveaway. And we're like we'd love to give away and they're like okay. What are your numbers. We sent them our numbers they were like. This is their exact words. For rebecca's was this is perfect right and then we're like okay and then week went by and k. Clearly let like we need to get this approved and then they just never got back. Is it possible that they just haven't gone back into the past can be about. Is this a time travel movie. I don't now. I you know it's funny i somehow. I know less about the movie having. I'd never had that happen before that. We was truly a bizarre experience. I can't fucking believe that you when we were. We were all on sued and was like. Oh todd needs to our mets finished. I was like oh finish the script and he's finishing. It's so funny dead. Oh my gosh. Wow okay we need to do the script because then we have so much to unpack here todd head and cast too so there is really just four main characters there is someone needs to play who has the best british accent. We need someone to play. Michael cain with the old try. I'm not oh. Yeah what's a channel. Mike prestige stace. Is that all right. That's pretty damn good. You can probably say movies. He's been in and his and his name. Mike okay that's it hell. Yeah and then. We need somebody to be aziz. We've got a good season. Sorry hi kyle actually does nice at your plan. Z's right perfect as perfect and then we have Chappie shafie happening. Well it's okay so he's is not the michael caine. There's actually others actually in my pocket and character. Chappie is a robotic character named chappie from the movie shabby artist choppy sound. He sounds very confused in south african. Oh god oh doesn't sound a little. I was going to talk about movie. I know what i'll do. I'll be chappy and rebecca. You read the wall to wall the stage okay. Hall are going to be bain. Well the thing about bain. I'm not sure how familiar eligible. Nothing says you can't hear it. Also also but i was gonna just kinda mumble. Whoever wants about bain fire okay. So are we going to start now. All right so it tenant bite tot sklar oaks. I we have a quote. I don't believe in time i believe in truth. And that's by prince. My game is like the pythagorean theorem. there is no answer. shaquille o'neal exterior large cargo ship in the ocean day. Aziz on sorry is dressed in a james bond style suit looking over the edge of a large freight ship. He stares he stares out into the rugged seat pensively something is amiss. Something is awry he. Squint then calls out for refreshments. Hey robot which bring me directly seconds later. A modern humanoid robot walks over with a drink. It's chappie from the movie. Chappie start starring chappie choppy chop delivers a first and cocktail z's and then joins him overlooking the pensive rugged waters of christopher nolan ocean. I am jeopardy. Yeah we know dude. That's like all you ever say. Hey help decipher this message from the company. I think it's our next mission. Okay bro as these starts pulling a string from the side of the ship and reels and a message in a bottle from the ocean as soon as it's within reach chappie grabs the bottle and smashes it sending glass shards everywhere. Dammit chappie you gotta warm before you do that. Jeopardy's sorry whatever dude. Just read me. The message chappie picks up the scroll from the and begins reading it king. Are you glad you are king. As he's furrows his brow. Was it a car or a cat. i saw. He scratches his chin. A nut for a jar of tuna and scratches his head. Are we not pure no sir. Panama noriega brags. It is garbage. I already dooms man a prisoner. Up to new era choppy sets the letter down. Looks confused chappie. None of that makes sense. I think it's a postal broke. A cease picks up the letter and stares at it for a while. Like we're just watching a dude stare at a piece of paper for like fifteen to twenty minutes. Yeah dude a still. Don't get it. Maybe we should try reading it backwards. Suddenly the screen inverted insult that and inception and the ship is transported to an arctic island. Where futuristic spacecraft lands on the hull of the ship z's and chappie watch as the door opens and baynes steps out of a tank top gas mask and all he speaks as he approaches them but they can't understand anything he says not because he's talking backwards or anything but because he has that stupid band mask on. Thank the frog character in stocks and sixty four. What is he saying. I don't know bro. i can't understand a word of it. No babe broke chappie. Chapman not broken champions. Fine everything is chappie. perhaps. I can lend a hand. Michael cain steps out of the other side of the spacecraft. What my esteemed associate is trying to tell you. Is that you both now. I'll play an integral part in the fabric of our space time continuum. What do you mean nate. Chappie not understand. Michael caine approaches them pulling out a yoyo as he speaks. What i'm about to tell you carries great way and levity life as we know it will never be the same. Oh no i. I am jeopardy michael. Caine tosses the yoyo chappie chevy catches it reels back to michael michael caines hands. Not because of a time warp or anything michael. Cain just still had the straw. Okay just still had the string. That's just how yoyos work rush. An olga played by a british guy who send weapons back from the future to the past and somehow is rigged up a device or something. Where if he dies a nuclear explosion will happen and and the world. Oh no wait guys into future or the past otis. The present the past for him. That paul remains unclear. What is clear. However is that you two need to stop him. Oh jeopardy can stop him. But how chappie. How are we going to. How are we supposed to stop this. Dude i'm going to tell you how michael caine pulls off his top hat revealing a small a small yellow bird sitting atop his head is. How is that the name of your bird heavens. no my name is jackie. The bird is just flare. Michael caine snaps. His fingers in the bird flies away but backwards he's entropy a season chaffee watching michael cain does a prestige s cad motion to recapture their attention. I'm going to tell you your word now ten. I don't know what does that mean mate. We're going to tell you we're going to explain all of this out. Remember now do you understand. Champion disease are puzzled ban attempts to help michael canton the yoyo off the side of the ship and pose a small metallic top from his pika and spit on the ground in front of champions vs now understand. They're still confused. And so are we more time to get this train on the tracks. Rubber co. dude. I can't understand a fucking thing that guy saying he's talking about ten. What is that. My colleague is trying to explain. It's not what tenant is is it. Is it yo- dude. I mike major confused. Tenet is everything and nothing out wants. I am no dude. You are chappie yes you are. Now let me have explain things further but making them more complicated michael caine snaps his fingers of the screen in itself part in inception and the ship is transported to a busy city street in paris exterior paris day. The light the large freight ship is sitting in the middle of a crowded street. People walk by and go on with their day as if nothing is out of the ordinary. Here's the thing though. Everyone is moving backwards like. They're walking backwards. They're closer backwards. Cars moved backwards. It's like that scene in freddy got fingered where tom green the backwards man except it's everyone season chaffee still on the ship here over the edge the backwards world around them know. Everything is backwards. Chevy as our two heroes. Contemplate their surroundings. Michael caine motions off the ship towards the busy street. You see that woman over there. He points the only woman in the entire crowded city. She's a tall waifish british lady. What if i told you. She's both the mother and that seems reasonable. What else are female characters and christopher nolan movie. Well how about this. She is also her own mother and wife Issue chevy michael. Caine chuckles to himself throws an arm around his robotic. Pow knows she certain light. Okay dude i thought i knew what was going on. But like actually. I'm like totally confused apps. I can shed morla. I whom the situation by adamant more complications to michael. Cain takes off his coat and rose up his sleeve revealing an arm covered tattooed notes. To himself he begins three reading from them. You see intended. Which is where we currently are. now time is inverted which means that time is inverted it. Finally clicks sees has a eureka moment. Oh i get it. If time is inverted that means it's moving slower. No that was inception. So does that mean. The time is moving faster than you. Stella so i guess the inversion means time is repeating itself. No that was memento. Okay then does that mean that. There is multiple timelines but we're only seeing one perspective at the time the same events. no that was dunkirk. Sorta we've been done. Kurt oh my friend. You certainly have listened. Inversion is like it's like more like time is moving backwards but also forwards at the same time but not exactly like that because this sounds like benjamin button. How no we've got benjamin button. No you certainly haven't my good man exit. Michael kids getting more and more exhausted by having favors for christopher. No one no. You certainly haven't my good man. Listen just going to have to trust me on the sim version. Stop unless you're not smart enough to understand it and if you're not smart enough to understand tenant then that means you dumb and if you're dumb then that means you're probably a trump supporter and if you're a trump supporter that means you're probably racist racist to you and season. Jabot shake their heads. No well all right then. That settles that matt didn't settle anything. Dude bain would help show bain would help. Show him what i'm talking about. Ban steps forward picks up his these his back over Ona i got dark knighted. But you haven't yet actually. Because antenna time is embedded so your back actually broke his knee drops to the ground and grabs his knee and starts moaning and groaning unintelligibly. Oh dope and the best pop. My friend is that his name is name broken because intended we can just go back in time and undo what we just did then suddenly stands up straight crosses his arms like nothing ever happened. Oh no what. Time is relative and everything that's happened isn't actually happening then. Does anything even matter intended. Nope just like that movie. Vanilla sky where it's just a big comp- using waste of time because nothing matters because it was all a dream now. Now michael cages spoiler vanilla sky so then. Couldn't someone just a racist from the future by sending back version of themselves back in time to suddenly everyone on the ship disappears. The camera smoothly lowers to the ground revealing a spinning top. Starting to slow down and it's been justice it's about to tip over smash cut to black. The end is the beginning of the end by smashing. Pumpkins plays backwards. That is attacked. Hello everybody You know this life can be stressful. 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Honestly that makes more sense than the actual movie and actually really. Oh i mean. I can't wow it does it is. Let's i. i saw ten at the drive in and Michael cain is in your script with. He has the same amount of lines. Total in your script actually five times. As many as he has intent he's intended for seventy five seconds. It's true for no reason that he has good and exit. It faded sweater thought. Michael caine say that tenet was the greatest action movie of all time. And i was like. Does christopher nolan have a steele dossier style thing over. Michael cain like. How does this keep happening and to be fair. Michael michael johnson. A bunch of movies because a lot of his movies are batman and my character in batman but he also in the rest of them he just sorta plays a guy that tells the main character with the audience needs to hear it the only thing those intended. He only does that for one scene when we needed that. For like all the for one for thirty five seconds starved tenant the main character walks into a restaurant and sits down with michael cain who has never met or talked to in his whole life. Michael caine explained to him. What has happened intended so far and then the main character gets up and leaves and michael caines not in the movie ever again. It couldn't have made less sense. It was so wild i have. I looked there's no way. Tenants gonna sponsor podcasts if the movie for movie that is supposed to be able to go backwards and forwards. It sure seemed like they weren't allowed to use it. Delete key writing it. It's it's it's a very interesting thing to see like there's sometimes there's like complex complicated movie. That doesn't work because like the movie itself didn't like explain the rules of the game. Well enough to the viewer to allow us to play in it but this seems like a movie where they didn't know what the rules of the game were like. I don't think anybody understands this movie. Like christopher no one does not understand tennis. Guaranteed i cannot. It is almost like if you sent me. All of the tenant footage. And i had to edit it without a script we could have ended up with something sort of so. I have just never. We were laughing. I i've also never seen a movie take itself more seriously than tenant took itself. It is reasserting itself like on the waterfront level of seriousness. Yes right it is like st- he's like one of the most self serious. But like i guess even like the other elements like the score is so unnecessarily like dour intense. There's there's no joy in any character completing a successful mission. You're going to have a cheesy one liner but like you wanna have a smile. There are so few movies that i think i wish michael bay had made instead of the person who made. That's what i think. He has made this. It could have been great. I fear i think made this in the year. Nineteen ninety eight. This might be my favorite movie. I don't even know the acting is fine. Do you know what i mean. No one's bad at it but sometimes you're just like your contractually obligated to say this stuff. The thing that is there's there's so little to take the opening is pointless. There's a whole big opening scene. You think we'll come back. And it's structured. Really the opening. He's so good at setting up set pieces an amazing amazing action setpiece director and a great guy. He's at opening a movielike. First five minutes of ten. And i was like wow. This is fucking awesome. Weight fell night opening where it's a lot of reveals a big sort of heist type of thing and then they no one. No one talks it it it it. I don't know why it happened. I don't know who was there. They're all in masks at the beginning. You don't even know what characters were involved for the most part. It was very weird. The fighting in the movie is the most bizarre thing i've ever seen because he refused to. Just run the footage backwards. He made everyone do stuff. Backwards and shot at four words like seemed like a spider. Scamper away when you spray it with fight on the ground. But they're rolling backwards the stunt people. Oh wow scary very scary. Because it's like a horror movie. The ring girl moves sort of jittery. It is not like that if you got on the ground and did a somersault forwards and then did it backwards. Same and one of them wouldn't look fluid. It's disorienting in a way that it does not help the movie because if we understood what was going on as it was happening that level of disarmament might be a fun like trick or put us in the perspective of the character. But we also don't really have anyone point of view in which is also a weird day. Yeah and it starts for a lot of the movie. it's about one guy. And then at the end it's a giant sort of two and a half sided war and then the wars happening backwards and i and forwards. I don't even know if it's fun enough to hate watch. I don't know if there's that's going to say okay. I think there's i think there's a lot like people people enjoy like having to figure some stuff out that's fun that's gone yup but when you when you go down a path that has no like redemption is ours like information or anything like you. Don't hang onto any plot points you don't hang onto any characters nothing with you then nothing. There's nothing to talk about. They don't want to spend the whole time. Like sort of like shitting on it. Because the the takeaways i did i do like when a director gets to make the thing they want to and it doesn't happen as often anymore and he's one of the few left and he's one of the very few left that gets to make a non superhero hundred million dollar movie. However he wants later original original idea nine original idea original idea that was to be an idea it has to be original idea. Or if it's based off a short story his brother wrote when he was six witnessing like three pages every school when you say it's backwards but also at the same time meaning like chronologically. It's moving from point eight four but then actions are happening backwards. Yeah she's physically. People are running backwards put. It's supposed to mirror something that's already so at some point do through just walking around and then backwards shit just happens by them like and they don't talk and then later in the movie backwards is happening forward and the older forward should is happening backwards. But he didn't just reverse the footage he active walk backwards and it's also a lot of parts where that's happening at the same time. We're losing time. There's a team which is bizarre. And they put armbands on each other and they all know the backward stuff happens so they're like hey blue team going backwards. Yep we got all this intel from. The blue team had already did this. And we know what to do this in the future and could change this so that we got from. That might be changed by the time we get. There is a really doesn't matter that we're doing now so we're just it's like it's like a puzzle box with no prize at the end where nothing matters if you were just jump in on that part of the conversation. I would swear that you're talking about double there. There is the part where the red team is already taken. The token out of the giant knows and so that helps. We should learn from this. They're really i have never felt I laughed so much. I laughed a lot. Watch in the robert. Pattinson is the. I love him as an actor. I love to everybody in the movie. He's not even star. He's a little bit everyone's great. It's i've never seen be less than the sum of its. Oh it could have been. I need a better casting. I feel like i feel like denzel. Son is kind of like charisma. Liz and i feel like robert panton also is like not smooth enough to be like the james bond smooth british guy feel like i like both those guys. I r- these wrottesley todd. Why are you forgetting the characters name. John david washington plays a cares because his name is protagonist because his name in the movie is the protagonist does not carrying a name. We never learn his name. He refers to himself as the protagonist twice. That's like it is not named him. It's so got about that but it's just watched the movie going wrong performances could be better because there's nothing to say charismatically. There's no point. is anyone like. There's one the only backward moment that works for me is when the protagonist. I shows it happening. There's like two seconds like tight and it's really well shot it's really well directed but then when it's like they hand to hand combat wards and. It looks watching. It feels like listening to that time christian. Bale yelled at the guy. Yeah order it is. This is anyone's fault but my neck hurts up there. Is there less of a less of a mission. Like a clear mission. I it definitely not a clear mission mission. They have to get something that its name is also if feels like he forgot to go back in name all of the stuff. Sometimes when i write a script. I will name people after who i want to play them like. So i could keep the voice as sorry or i will re or you'll be like but what was the thing they were trying to get. It was just the algorithm. Was the thing they were going. After because the algorithm can unlock a nuclear bomb or the nuclear bomb was a separate thing. There were no offer ends in the entire movie. It was very weird. They're going after the algorithm to stop the bomb but the bombers is controlled by a guy in a boat either in the past future or throw antagonist but also. The bomb is not on a timer. Goes off when he dies but also there is a timer on the bomb also coming down when it goes off you. Don't act the bomb. Yeah this is an exercise in like. This is like a logic puzzle. I'll never know what's crazy as we've spoiled nothing. Yeah the movie and still be confused. So i i just you leave movie theater or drive in. I wanna see movie that. I wanna talk about and and wanna keep thinking about and this is the exception. That proves that rule. Because i need i i just. I don't know it's so weird. It feels like an snl sketch. Christopher nolan hosted best that be like oh you kinda got him. Because it's literally todd script it's a reference to every. Yeah mike. I could not believe when michael caine was just had a he even had a funny hat with them. There wasn't a bird under. It was already on the table but he had like a little pork pie hat or something i can. I don't remember because i was laughing. And then The protagonist walks it and michael caines like ten. It looks like this sometimes. It's forwards sometimes. It's back watch man and then he leaves. That's literally the movie so todd. How the fuck did you know that. Well because that's not the movie that's the thing is it's only ten minutes like it's just a weird spot where that's like halfway into the movie. It's not the end of the first act. It's not the inciting incident. It's not at the end to give the guy information. It's just in the middle. I'm trying to if if in the middle. If so if in that scene in batman or the joker is in jail clapping. Which i would say is about the middle if someone turned to commissioner gordon and said that's the joker he's bad that's like win this weird michael kay but if that if that was like some huge cameo that happened like if leader caprio walked in and said the joker is bad right. Then that's what they keep doing. There's multiple heists in the movie which is fun but also you never know what the heist four. And it's not in a way of life we're going to reveal it when we get the thing. It's like a thing where you don't know why anybody is doing what they're doing. Not even a character motivation sense but even just like a logistical thing. We don't know why we need to do anything. Which is just a wild thing to experience. And i keep saying. I don't wanna just sit here and make fun of this movie. Because people are listening. They liked it. They will hate this. But i just have this movie. I cannot the movie the if if you all of the backwards stuff out. It's a pretty good plot for an action movie where they have to get the thing to stop the thing. And then there's levels to it there's a heist to get the thing to do the heist but for some like you read seven. It's like did you know chris. It's just these things will happen. He's made a lot of movies. That i really really like. He's phenomenal but great. People will defend him by just telling you easter eggs. Like y'all be like tenant. Nick actually blew up a real plane. And i'm like look stupid as fuck like i. don't i love finding nemo. They are none of them are real like every they talk a you know what i mean. I know it's not that he actually did this thing that makes me. I appreciate his dedication to that sort of thing and it looks very real and it because he really did blow it up. But i don't care how the plane blew up if it makes sense for there to be a plane there and people are running backwards in front of it and also. They're not fun to watch. Because you have me a confusing be. You're taking it super serious. It's like how do you it's har. It's almost like expert level filmmaking to make blowing up a plane not fun to watch. That's that's incredible. I think if there's the ville the thing that lingers is i've never and i've said i've never seen a movie take itself more seriously ever absolutely in my entire life. I've never i have not seen a movie. I've seen every serious movie. And i've never seen a movie now. I haven't seen them all but that like it. Just there is no joy there is not a joke there is not a funny like one funny thing kind of maybe happens but it just feels weird because it sounds like a actor. Refuse to not riff or something. It's it really. I don't even remember the protagonist like kind of a couple of funny little aside. Would kenneth branagh acts how we wants to die. And he says old. That's kind of a cool line but he doesn't do a smirk with it at all. It's like it's like a bad james. Brennan like yeah. It has sort of that level of seriousness camp in quantum of solace level of seriousness. Where there's no camp and it's just sort of convoluted and i've never seen a movie. Spend so much time explaining things with exposition and somehow not explain a single thing completely anyway. I cannot imagine attendant. Did not get back to us about doing a giveaway digital copies of the movie. How crazy is even just the function of the time inversion devices that they use and they keep going into an out of to go backwards in time. They don't explain how that works or also the mechanics of inverted. Sometimes they're just in rooms that have other rooms that now you move backwards when you leave the room. We've gotten converter here and we've got an inverted there we don't know how many are in the world we don't know who else is using. He's about them. You keep they keep widening the scope of people who have this reverse technology Every team that does it. It's just like what is going on here. I live by an amc. That's been shuttered. Obviously and every and it's has a bunch of posters for tenant on the wall that say coming soon on. I'm like i wonder if this is part of it was good i just i would say i waver between it would be fun to watch too then have stuff to talk about it and Don't i don't i. i don't know it's probably fun. If you're like hanging out with friends which is illegal and Maybe we'll maybe. I'm moving on gonna have a little backyard. Maybe get projector and do watch party and never can walk backwards in my it. I know 'cause we didn't even get the digital copies to give away because they hate us. We'll follow up with them and say please please. Don't look into the podcast. Play this. I think a change of heart description and the backwards is great. We'll send them the script okay. Awesome todd though. It's very funny Guys i'm so surprised. Now that there wasn't a funny robot tennessee because there wasn't interstellar and that robot you know what made out of interstellar really nice absolutely because he was funny and having a sarcasm setting as a funny thing to give a robot and that was fun and okay win. He saw matt. Damon matt damon. Just said to my matthew mcconaughey. Did you know your in space. That's what michael caines function was because at that point can be like s. yes. I know that because everything is hinged on mean having that information yes we've been told that you have to look up the fighting i. It's so he oversaw mixon and a bad way at all. I think we've set up. A i think the more. I think you'll be like if you go in with no expectations. And if you don't mind you can look at your phone. That that opening being so awesome really heard it because like i was ready for fucking rad movie and that is not what i got like. That was that was a a rough start to ended up finishing all right. Well that's tenant we're going to just roll this episode backwards from here to the question. Do they ever say the word tenant million times they never explained what it is but he says it a lot right i see what is the thing from inception that they have like the top one of them a totem. That amount of times is like sort of what it functions this. What this does movie does do is. I do like all of his other movies more now. Yes i agree a hundred percent. Yes it shows you how wrong they could have gone. We're support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. Saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. It's an average savings of seven hundred ninety six dollars for customers who switch and save in fact. Customers can qualify for an average of six discounts on their auto policy with progressive including discounts. Just starting quote online or owning multiple vehicles get your quote online and progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive twenty nineteen discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations. It's jc penney. Here back with some great gift ideas for everyone on your list and they're all available now at your local. Jc penney or online. He'd gifts for her check out our selection of diamond jewelry. 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This is the game where two movies or smushed together into one movie. I read you the smushed together. Movie plot you told me this much together. Movie title Rebecca have to. You may know some of these already. I think some of these may have come from are never seen a game night. Julian todd you you understand. All right are here. We go before and after. I can't find the document. Go a young rapper struggling with every aspect of his life witnesses. A train crash investigates subsequent unexplained events in his small town. Oh that j.j. abrams one eight miles. What does that. tj movie. This wasn't the game night out. Then do you know. Wow this guy's super aims which ones we did off of my doc. That one wasn't there you think don't think this next one was either But the rest. I think we're a struggling cartoonist. To move back in with his parents and after fighting with his father and claiming his father is molesting his younger brother he attempts to shoot a blockbuster movie without letting the star no he is in the movie. Freddy got fingered. I would watch that movie. That's a great idea. Man task fingered. It's a it's the second part what he just explained it. Steve martin and eddie murphy. Yeah isn't eddie. Murphy's movie star but they and they try and shoot a movie that he starring in without telling him it also has like two acts into. The movie starts like a very like biting satire on scientology that they got in a lot of trouble with the just that pitch. I can't imagine how fast that movie sold with. Because that's such a funny idea for a movie shoot and then if you can get shooting a movie where the star of the movie doesn't know there. I haven't seen bow finger before. Is eddie murphy. The movie star. It's not good or is causing it in theaters. He's the movie stars. Also not the movie star. He's the star. they're trying to get replaced. Two guys news. He's really good at play. I think he's really think eddie. Murphy's really good at playing movie stars though. Does that make sense. Just give them. You can give them joke amounts of charisma and he's going to be good. Here's me with the hot. Take eddie murphy. Good folks get ready for the bull. Yeah i've only Here we go. We've got two more in a society where books are banned and burned a man encounters a sinister version of himself. that escaped another dimension. Can like it. It really feels like a before and after movie plot. I know the first half. But i don't know the second half fahrenheit four fifty one for one ready player one where a man encounters a sinister version of himself it escaped another dimension like version. Himself are we are looking for fahrenheit. Four fifty the one fahrenheit. Four fifty starring jet li on so familiar. But i don't know that movie gently is the star of the one basically is going to kill all the other jet. Li's you can stronger as you kill the various. Like if i killed kyle b. I get his power so do good. Jet li has to fight the one. That's been immersing in theaters being like that guy can fight good. He is fun to watch and he's fighting himself. Which is fund. Is there a thankless than the body. Doubles done double. Who has the fight hip. And it's not allowed literally cannot have his face in the movie or ruins it. are you ago last one. This one was for sure on game night and no one liked it. A man comes upon the aftermath of a murderous drug deal and finds cash that was left behind. He takes off with the money and is hunted by the man who earned that cash knocking over three casinos. Oh no country for graceland three thousand miles of graceland that is not it no country for old ocean's eleven you gotta get the combo. What how's this sound. No country for ocean's eleven. We're looking for notions country for eleven men so gross. Good all right. we're gonna new game. This is called quote. Four and after i combined to famous movie quotes you tell me the before and after movie title are you ready for four and after there's only one these are very hard to make. This seems impossible. Yes we go ahead say hello to my little stella scarface and scarface named desire. We're looking for streets car face named desire so hard to hard to do. That's the best one sale out of my little still. They are what we do for. Let me see if i got any other ones in here. Saturday stelo to my little. Do you want to hear the best one that i came up with. This is the absolute best. this'll be on future episodes. A million dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool being mad as hell and not taken this anymore. Oh my gosh. Social network network. They're pretty fun. I could've been somebody. I could have been baby in a corner. There's a lot of fun ones All right we're moving on. What do we have here. The next game we're gonna play is called. Build the perfect how this works is. I'll give you a category. Each of you must pick two movies from that. Category whose rotten tomatoes score adds up to us close to one hundred as possible without going over. So you'll each pick one will review the scores delete Pick a second. I think we know how this works. Today's category is going to be movies. That have some sort of time travel in them movies. That have some sort of time travel on them. It can be a reference. It's you know we don't really hold you to the category here and we will start with todd and julian and then rebecca and That's yeah that's that's what i'm gonna start with dude. Where's my car my car. I will do a recent one. Let's do palm springs. I heard that was great enjoyable. It's funny because people back. What did i see someone like. I can't believe. I watched groundhog day. Movie and god. I guess every movie should be a groundhog day movie. Because it's good. It's good stuff. It really is good perfect. Is there a third back to the future. I don't now in the desert right as long. Go with that one. All right go reviewing the scores quite as gets dude. Where's my car seventeen percent. Todd you'll be looking for in eighty three palm springs ninety four julie looking six. I am very good at this game and back to the future. Three rebecca is an eighty percent shot. Twenty will pick. Todd see that. Neither rebecca second and then julian code act. I'm going to go with. I'm gonna go with tenant rebecca. i mean. This is impossible. The only movie that makes sense. Dude dude where's my car. Go with the time travel. Okay not space They're space travel and they're going through somewhere where they would adjust the way relative to them. Okay yeah that. I'm very familiar with. I'm going to go with whatever. The newest bill and ted the remake with the kids that come out with their daughters did bill and ted face the music. Yeah that's the one all right palm ninety four percent. Maybe six. I got. I got this. I haven't seen it. So i can't say for sure if it was like fun and good but i'm going to go with hot tub time machine. It is fun. good. I'll confirm that okay. Well i'm going for two hundred are here. We go palm springs ninety four percent hot tub time machine sixty three percent pretty far over dude. Where's my car. Seventeen percent tenant seventy one percent not only. Is that an eighty that is also a pailin jerome. Both scores are pound rome and the second score adding up as a pal tended to score. You went from seventeen seventy one to and eighty eight. You just tend to deserve it. Speaking eight back to the future. Isn't that the speed viggo. Eight miles an hour eighty percent bill and ted face. The music eighty two percent in a fucking world. Is that possible. Say the future is. It lowers the bar. Yeah every for just says. It came out which is titus. Hell what would you because i always. I like mess up this game. Big time every single time. What would you have chosen in my position like guests six percent time. Yeah although i don't think he got six percent time cop. I think was actually somewhat light but i would have gone with an action movie. Maybe universal soldier to that probably is a pretty low score. Yeah julian sobe that we all just pull out universal soldier to five percent sick. What a win. That would have been built. Travel back in time. You can do that all right. Our final game that were gonna play. Today is called guests of movie. Kyle's dad describing having only watch the movie trailer and never having heard of the movie. Okay okay movie. Kyle's described gabby newly wash adjacent movie. Are here we go you guys on how this game works. My dad watched movie trailer. He will describe the trailer. You have to guess what trailer he is describing. Are you ready. There's a new one we got new ones. Okay there's a bunch of tv's going at the same time. It froze and zoomed into one of them to show us. This one guy is retiring in two weeks. Wait what did he say he's doing. What am awake. The voice over said this is a perfectly outrageous motion-picture they they can't put him back on. Tv she's yelling with their arms out and they cheer now. There is a sad guy talking over some green lamps. He's loud now to and his arms are up. Red face shouts of the crowd cheering. This guy looks like he came in from the rain. Lot of clocks up their red lightning about this back showing us in the movie. They're all yelling where he said to yell. Line was that tenant no that would have been so fun though. That was beautiful it over. Is that bores. it is not. he's about to retire. That's what i've locked into all the yelling green lights and then yeah so this is movie that very very briefly has come up on this episode of this podcast already. How their soldier to you universal that would have been absolutely wild we are looking for. Oh wait is it palm springs. It is not palm springs network. we are looking for. This is off at work. They are yelling what he told them to yell fat. And that's good. yeah. I have not seen network. Yeah okay. Well i'm maybe i'll watch it probably not enough time travel in it for me and it's using backwards the fighting and stuff We'll hit for us on this episode. Todd thank you for coming on having never seen tenant julian rebecca thank you for coming on and having never actually seen tenant big listening there will be something after this out tro letting you know where if you can win episodes or win tenant on digital but i doubt they get back to us. That's also that losing. So you want to. The thing is if you get it on digital it actually takes. I don't even know how to do it backwards. Thank you guys very much for listening. This is never seen it. I'm your host then to revenge mocking menagerie approach. Some serve is it and so if week sterling's a podcast network.

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Episode 426 - Kingsman: The Secret Service (CLIP)

We Hate Movies

06:21 min | 2 years ago

Episode 426 - Kingsman: The Secret Service (CLIP)

"Now, the Kingsman service, Michael Cain is involved, sitting the head of this table. It reminds me very much of a better movie with most of these actors tiller soldiers follow man -absolutely. This is like a tinker tailor soldiers by, like Odeen on sugar. They I mean what I appreciate about this. Michael Caine performance. It is your classic late life, Michael Cain. He's barely getting out of a chair. He stands to scenes, or even one. There are several chairs but there's not a lot of standing he brought his own chairs chairs that he picked out specifically that he made them pay for the shipping over to wherever he had glasses. Weren't even part of the movie until taking my bashes off. All right. Those. I guess, everyone's got to know everything Michael glassy. Now, this chair has willed rose. And sometimes you need to put the breakdown or else it's going to row. And I sit in the chair will roll with it. You ever see Mary with children? This chair is also a. On taking. They have to be taken seriously and there are has the stuff. They like us to be super, this is why we need to like, not only legalize it. We need to like crop dust. Gas on legal. Outside with amounts open. Legalization day fucking crop dust this country force everyone to get high just to like just to see what the other side is just a fucking chill out for second. Maybe we'll be such a fucking asshole, the time captain America's bone. You're just a barrel of good ideas tonight. You know what usually about podcasts as me having a serious conversation with somebody, but I just got crop dusting. We're watching crown legacy brother, man, that live, you, babe. Bay highly recommended creteria of getting down. So he fights for the user. Tron fights for the user, some folks like to pop off and say that computerize young, Jeff bridges doesn't look good. Obama thinks maybe he does. Why don't you get a clue as in the characters name, which is clue without the? Other part rocks. You need to go to space in this movie, which is like she fucking graduating send her on the mission to fight veiled tenants said fucking talent at there their base to women that were associated with this program was the plant who they faked her drowning and the other one, they literally shoot into out his. Like literally literally your planet almost needs you. Mex suit. Leftover from Reagan's Star Wars project. So great to know the Kingsman just fucking jacked US intelligence. Absolutely unbelievable. I can fire sale mandate. Whatever you get you. Let Doug about. Doug of someone with dementia, runnings of things. Oh, yes, you can have it is. Sure. No. Yet, you can pay me later, send a check to mommy. Mommy. Where's that Mexico? I didn't I didn't give it to anyone. Mommy. Mommy wish Rudy. I talk to the Kingsman their spy organization. Let me I have a big meeting with Tim APO, Mr President. This has been live on the air the entire time. Oh. She warned XI's mom like lock the baby in the bathroom kick the key under the doors from you. But he told her to say. Of himself. Speaking of which XI's now, having anal sex. Yeah. It's the thing where like, he's got these glasses and Mark strong, and like see what he can see it turns it appeal V porno, little POV opponent. Yeah. It's like yeah. This woman's like Dacia, Michael Foot rest. A premium membership is only twenty dollars a month today. Well, sir. Michael, you gotta podcast to some folks couldn't watch POV some folks can watch J o. Could a little instruction. Yawn needs a helping hand from time to time. The wrong with a little instruction. This is over for Joe. I. You know what's in communities, these days porn hub? I'm Barco bum. An I'm here for a s Amar. Those just light me up. Shoop the boom Obamagasm. Nia like Todd solids growing up in the coal mining down. And his dad is just like that gets gotta make that of his life, and he sees happiness that it's dedicated to he starts crying. Say the boy got me. Shooting everybody. Yeah. I've had fantasy before good on your body with the tiger beat magazine too. Didn't forget nothing. Like the jig is up. That's the exact wording of the birds and bees talking. Got it. Yup. Yup. You got me tidy. You're right, son. You are jam pain, and I am shit.

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#24: Inception

Adult Beverage Podcast

1:17:24 hr | 9 months ago

#24: Inception

"This week's movie is a already science fiction classic. That's right. We be going down the rabbit hole into one Patrick's all time favorite films inception. This is a masterpiece film from the writer and Director for Christopher Nolan. Film stars the Fantastic Leonardo DiCaprio as a professional thief who steals inflammation. The little traveler twist listen closely as we throw out some time traveler tips about one of our favorite films. Welcome to adult. Beverage podcast. Where we will be talking films new and old is looking at you. Just. Become best friends up as well as anything else entertainment world enjoying an adult beverage in hand. Or welcome to adult beverage film podcast and today we. Fun Fun. People with us here. Our lovely host. Here's. Everybody's just going to say, don't you guys introduce yourself and tell us what you're drinking today because that's what we can tell already kick down here. And we'll start with Laura there. So all hi I'm Laura am drinking some Sugar Creek Pale, Ale beautiful. saw. Santa that good that sound. Yes Oh My Patrick. Zoom I'm Patrick Drinking filtered water this. Gregor squeaker. Myself. Mike Way. I can't think of a better way to introduce yourselves. Never. Sounded so good ever had a lot to say today. That's awesome. I'm looking water nothing filtered. I'm not classy like Patrick. Straight. Out, of. The TAP. And I can't Smith and I'm drinking a lovely majestic APPA which is. Delightful and I'm this is one I wish I was sharing with everybody. But others let you all listen to. was terrifying sorry. Until. Why don't you drinking squeaker? Just. Went on a run. It feel like I need to hydrate a little bit before i. Really runner to that I totally relate to but. I do like a good good adult beverage after going for exercise are playing tennis or something but. I do have to get a lot of water to get hydrated back. So I could have made something up i. mean no one really knows I'm drinking vodka, right? It would have been really appropriate if you he said his beer and then sounded like the dog would have been. Like. Hair on his chest started to stick up. Drinking Sapporo. Japanese beer. A Good. Making me WanNa. Have Sushi so Let's get what we're here to talk about, and that is inception Christopher Nolan. First of all this, go around and start with the basic question. Is One of your all time favorite sense fiction films. Sh-. Don't make. Making. Are you guys sleep? Do you never. Know sudden moves. Well I've just got failure in idiot because this is not my favorite science fiction is my favorite movie of all time they're living. Science fiction to be honest with you but it is. What, what do you think this? Why? Why is this your favorite all-time film? Because it's like a Greek epic about this man. Who so entangled and dreams is consumed with dreams his occupation it's his dream is to return to his his children that he's. been severed from due to something he did to his wife through a dream and the irony of it is he can't dream without this machine they use to extract dreams from other people. It's just this epoch. It's like this man goes through hell and back just so he could see two children again and it just it. Floors me a love it love it is his odysseus. Going on his own journey of our what's your thoughts on this film? Okay. So I was telling Patrick before the podcast that I really was not looking forward to the smooth. Kind of dreading having to end this. This is not this is not accurate estimate of time dreading having to sit three hours. Through this movie again because I. Fell Asleep. The first time didn't didn't want to get into it. It just wasn't the right time. I watched it earlier today. And those two hours. Twenty eight minutes just flew right by amazing. It was an excellent excellent film and I'm really glad that we are doing it so that I had to watch it again. Squeaker we're thoughts. Rugby. Need. A little. Returned to squeak. Man. Next week. So I wouldn't say like I wouldn't think of this as one of my favorite movies but I think it's hard to think of it as anything other than a masterpiece like in writing, directing, acting cinematography editing like it's pretty much perfect all the way through. There's not much you could find that. To Nitpick about. The holes in the plot, but we're not going to. I think some of those holes in the plot actually I know first of all, I really enjoy this film. I think it's a it's like you said a squeaker, it is a masterpiece Christopher. I liked his work before this. and I liked his work. So. He's a masterful director very intelligent comes with a completely different style. Than most directors and you know when you watch found, you know it's kind of his film. And I thought the use of the visual effects as well as a special effects are just blended together. So nicely in this film, which is when you have all this complications of. Kind of. Could, it could easily go crazy off to the wrong direction I think I think it stayed very true and I think this film is another one of his films that creates. Controversy in one way and also creates dialogue after the fact because people are always trying to figure out and understand these meanings behind the film but I think the thing when I was watching this again. And I saw this in the theater I think twice went the first time and I was like. Well. Loved it but I don't really understand it. So I'M GONNA. Go back seat again. So I went back to see at the second time. And got a little bit. Deeper insight into, and of course, then I bought the DVD and watched it and I don't know how many times now probably ten times. And each time you get something different from it. But it's it's. It is a classic in so many ways. But the thing that this really I started thinking about for this podcast. What since this film aside or apart from other foams because it is like a Lotta People's top five films of all time for them and some of it, some of the ties back to what squeaker is calling it a masterpiece. Let's think of it as a piece of art. And Art isn't always. It's it's open to interpretation well, I think the reason this film and this was the point I was kinda getting too. Long Way but the reason I, think this film is so impactful with so many people is that we all dream? Okay and we all have different versions of our dreams and how we dream and this is basically and when we go to cinema. It is in a sense like us going to have a dream we're going to see a film and try to come to this feeling and understanding and visualization of something that is different from our real world and this film probably put does that as well as anything it takes you into multiple dreams and starts playing you into those effects and you forget which one year in that was what I like most about it was I couldn't remember where real was. And that's how I knew. I was like sucked in all the Shit I don't remember where anybody is well. By and chat with Japanese TV showed, it would have numbers. So you'd know what what level You're in the. Quarter isn't that. Crazy. That's that is pretty cool to think that that's that's the case it's it's pretty funny I. I do have a couple of questions though. That we might get to later but one of them involves. Right, now because I think right now. Okay. So. One of the plot holes that I. Couldn't let go of was that. When he's driving them around the city there in a dream already they're driving around the city and he wrecks the Van Lake severely wrecks the van everyone goes tumbling. Why do why does that not kick them right then? Back. Out of that. Dream Safaa. JUMPS OFF THE BRIDGE No no no. No. Like before that. I'll oh, he rolls the van and they all go tumbling and tumbling and tumbling and that would be plenty of fall for me to snap out of something and he he kicks them several times to make sure that that will wake them up and I, just. My brain kept going back to that like one and they wake up then. We're in a dream, a red because they weren't dead. One Oh Really. Good Really, good seatbelts. You either have to have the preset kick which a lot of time seems to involve water. So they had to know the kick was coming. Well. Do you only way around that? Is If you die in the dream so if you get hit in the car. No big deal it's the what if you're dreaming in the car like they were unconscious in the car I mean like I could talk about this all night. Say That like the. Are But when the equilibrium was off and they were felt like they were following, they would wake up. It didn't seem like they had to know about it. It was just that if their body felt that sensation right he also said that he would put the music into let them know that it was coming. But why didn't it kick them out? Even if they didn't know it was coming I that you know. I don't know and it's hard to restart the movie with an extraction God wrong of snow and they give you some kind of the basic rules. But then all of a sudden they pull in this new factor, which is Yussef who has a sedative that's more powerful than anything they've ever used before. So I don't know if that's part of the answer. Because I was kind of joking before about the holes in the plot. Can Be explained and people explain them in a lot of different ways and they're open interpretation I. Don't know if it's a whole so much I don't know if we have to sit here and figure if we want to waste. Says openly in the movie that paradoxes are a part of the dreaming. So like this is yet another paradox that you know may be I'm just thinking about it too hard because also site Oh, gets shot in the van. Right and. He. Doesn't wake up so. He doesn't either, but pain is feelable and Dream World Oh. I think what you're saying is just the fact that they were shaking all rally. There were basically in mid air. Yeah by the time, they hit the ground they were kicked, but maybe we're not counting that maybe it wasn't a hard enough kick. Yeah well I. think There's a lot of little things like this throughout that. Make you question things as well as ponder those thoughts you know one of the things is like the time aspect of it to you know you know we're. Evenings different thing amounts of time the further down the more time. Passes Right. Equally shorter amount of time the level above above previous level. That's why limbo you could live ten years right? Fifty or. Yeah our lifetimes, and then still if the other dreams hadn't collapsed above it, you could go back to those and see that not as much time passed. Yeah and and and I think the whole dream aspect sets. To me I I know that this part of this is like. It's very confusing and a lot of ways in to people that you watch it the first time. One of the things is when they hook up is in the first time that I watched it, I thought okay. You're hooking up I. Don't think about this from a dream perspective I. Think about this as you're hooking up and taking you to short of an another version. Of Reality. On another plane. A little univer nice thinking in the aspect of a dream. But but when you hear you know Christopher Nolan and everyone talks about it. It's all about a dream and everyone's in this dream. So you know I think there's some people will fight for it one way and some people will fight for the other way. But if you take that aspect of what he's trying to say, say drink this is a dream. We're in the dream. Does it become real out? And that's the question I had throughout it is. Are we dreaming through this whole thing and is this entire thing dream? Or. Is this part of reality at points and we jump off we're into reality. So you know what I mean, and that's the whole play is you have to do that and that's basically what happens to mall is Mal. Although hers his choice as an active choice to choose the limbo level. is the reality she puts her totem. So. She no longer has that something. The tell heard that it's not reality. So it's kind of a choice and there's I showed you guys I was reading inception and philosophy I only read a little bit of it because your head will spin off in. Like the top and. I want bar that. You can borrow it because I started reading it and I started to go. It has like four or five different. At any one time interpretations of the same experience like some people think movies a dream. Some people think that starting from when Yussef. Puts them under test the sedative everything from there on out is a dream it's at it just keeps they have all these interpretations or there's the one where the movie just shows you and storytelling it's like Oh there is a reality and they go through different levels of dreams and Yada. Yada this is a film that's kind of like the shining shining a lot of people do the same thing they have versions of way they see the film and Some people say it's another work of art and other work of art and that's right and it's which is the cool part. If. The things that were very interested in May was the age. So when he first comes in and Cobb is sitting at the table you. When he gets not in the very beginning, but once he's with. Drawn a blank on his name's Saito side of Ken what an IB so. On you know he's sitting at the table that whole thing kind of threw me. Maybe you guys can explain because you know is this past. He's experienced about why is he odor and Leonardo's character? COBB is his younger. You're talking about the end of the movie that limbo. Is always kind of at the beginning the beginning the beginning of the end is circle back to the beginning. Yeah. Right Kosaido makes mentioned to COBB. Do you want to just go all back? All alone and be an old man. So. Aided full of regret he created his own. Limbo world what I got is from Leonardo, talk about him and making all those buildings and. Crazy look like planet of the apes with cool structures in it. Yeah. You're it seems like in limbo your God what you? You control the environment around you you create your the Creator God of that. From his memory is because that was the same office that they met originally and was malls childhood home. And you talk about site. Oh. Jesus. Carlisle something. Again it was. He's. He's very angry about this movie. There's a lot to say, no, the He created his own limbaugh at the end. which is widely Ardoz I came to tell you so. Let's go and be young men. Again, society we can train your subconscious to defend itself from even the most skilled extract. How can they do the his I am the most skilled extractor. I know how to search your mind and find secrets I know the tricks and I can teach them says even when you're asleep you're defense is never down. If, you want my help. You're going to have to be completely open with me. I need to know my way around your thoughts better than your wife better than your therapist better than anyone. This is a dream and you faithful of secrets I need to know what's in that safe. In order for this, all to work, you need to completely let me. Gentleman. I consider a proposal. He knows. We're back welcome back so I got another question for you guys question why is cod wanted by the police? For Murder Laird. But did he really murder her or did was that a dream? See that's the thing they always. Well, she jumped off the thing herself. Make she. Filling the. The inception that he to her in limbo level. Like your world is not real so like. Murder. Yes. Totally murdered her but not directly. Police I accepted her. You did what now? That that was the thing when I first the first time I watched it as I was like. You know. How do you? How are you wanted by the police if it's really not known and did this happen? Is this in her sleep? Well All right. Like she implied that she was abusing her right yeah. So she set it up to make it look like he did but how she was in a different building so I don't know how they proved. They were in the same building they were just across from each other. They were just weird. This is one of the things people dwell on go city cheap rent a room opposite of his. Sweet and they were just across from each can because they were. So close there's no way that they were in different hotel rooms or different. Swedes they were in the same place those. Suites than I've ever been in. You can't Ford that come on. Weaker. Auto Lodge doesn't really count. Yeah. For Real. Don't even have stairs Bro. Tells Motel, six is don't have second floors. Yeah. No. The. Red Roof in does not count where you pay by the hour. And we we know about squeaker well. A lot of this dog what A. Lot of this is about architecture that is designed in the head. Okay. was there any parts of that that bothered you throughout the film or did you believe everything that you saw or did you think that? We you know Sherlock Holmes always made a memory mansion in his head like he built. A house out of things he needed to know out of clues. So I think it's totally possible like if Sir Arthur CONAN doyle can give Sherlock Holmes a you know Memory Mansion. This is totally believable. Sorry. That's just me y'all go ahead. I. Don't think I understood the full question. Well, the question is it. Do you believe all of the? You know the one of the things is not believed that. Once again back to his name's. Side. Him with laying on the carpet and he doesn't believe. The carpets real. So that was a set factor that changes dishes. So you believe everything that you see in the film. Or are you taking the thoughts of what these guys are trying and that's the thing is Are you an audience at this point when you're watching this film or do you just believe everything that's going on I? Think you're a participant More more than audience I think. I think as an audience member, you have a totem that we're going to discuss later who almost discussing to have. Some real quick about what's so while. My mind just went totally blancas. Sorry. I. So. Here's the question is. You see a lot of these details like a lot of the fights that are going on away from. Fisher away from everything. So those details even matter it's not like He. Created this world, he can't create things that he's not involved in. But it can because it's his brain that there is an yeah. But really, he doesn't he's not aware of it. Right. So those those details even really matter are you talking about I totally involves? How does bring? Brain issues they're when they're. Up. In Fisher's does he Snow stuff like all this stuff that's not related to him at all that's going on in the background. I think like a dream it. Well, I think in that case those. The invading snow people where they were subconscious just like the ones that attacked them hours. But more to your point I don't think it has to be very specific. It's you're. A lot of it is because dreams can be visual, but they're not visual visually based they're feeling based. So a lot of times if you feel that this is what's going on that's what's going on your mind just starts filling in. Your brain fills. And I think that's an loves to do if. His brain would just fill in There's other guys fighting over here and. I saw this James, bond movie one night we're all these. dudes were chasing each other. We're. Dotted his favorite bond movies. On Her Majesty's Secret Service which Is that the dog. That's Roger Moore no Dan The guy who did one? Isn't it? Lazenby. George. Lazenby thank you lazenby. But it has some really need. Snow snow fighting seems. Yes I think I think you're right on that it did have some now that I remember nothings as cool as the anti gravity leg flippy floppy. Like. Joseph Gordon Levitt fighting in the hall with that Kobe is some of the most amazing. Should I've ever seen I? Don't know how they did it and I don't care. It doesn't matter. I love it. Right zero gravity stuff is crazy. The flipping gravity when the car is rolling and they're fighting and they keep having to walk on the walls and then on the ceiling in the. A lot of that is done in box forms and they're spinning the form. So you have you have the illusion that it is. Them kind of walking is kind of what they did Matrix and. the Jamiroquai Jamiroquai video music video if you remember where the the walls were moving. Like that. So which is Really interesting way of doing it but that that is part of how it's done. And then of course, got special effects that they're throwing in there to make things interesting this this movie relied a lot more on actual. Effect that it has obviously, it has a CG special. And as much as a normal. Big Budget movie would they tried to do as much as they could where they try but there's a lot in this it. There's a lot that compared to when they say compared to a big wonder if. End Endgame where well some of those filthy percent. Super. Done they're all done in studio and completely everything shot but you know there's lots of situations where they use practical. Realistic. Realistic. Landscapes and then they see g the backgrounds and stuff like that. So. You can see it but I think it was done so well that you believe it and that's the thing. you know the thing about This film is that you know like you said, it is all about a dream and dream within a dream and I don't know if you guys have ever had that but I've actually had that affect happened where you dream dream a dream and then you wake up and you're like. Wait a SEC. Terrifying yeah. Would you know when you woke up the second time that you weren't GonNa, wake up a third time. Don't until you realize that you're in reality again and you're not in a drain freak the fuck out I think that started having when I started having some of those who? Is. It was also in a time when I was you know. Trying to deal with things that were. What you could do with your mind, but but the power you have with your mind and what you can control things. And and there's So I'm very believable in the fact that you can control your dreams and you. Train yourself dreaming. So Yeah, you can actually force yourself to walk through a into a room or you can force yourself to get out of a situation you know and and that was because. I had a reoccurring dream that I had that all the way up until I was around a nineteen years old was it tell us? It was a roller coming coming and I was not able to get out of the way of the roller. Steamroller steamroller on a on the road and I was on the road and. would. Just you know was coming slow motion and you're just like. You know I couldn't. Well, I started talking to someone about dreams and how to calm and they started telling me about ways that you can manipulate yourself in situations and that allowed me to be able to. At one point I remember the first time being able to slide to the right. and Get out of the way of the steamroller and it was all said and all the tension release from it. So. That's a lot of what's taking place in this and if you hear the I, mean there's people I don't know if you guys. I to me I I've had situations where I've dreamed, and then it becomes reality you know. Things happen or I see something That a lot of people may be called deja-vu. But those are the kinds of things you see those aspects in life and you are able to know what's Hey, there's GonNa be a person walking around this corner and they're gonNA have a red shirt on, and then of course that happens it's glitch in the Matrix. That's a lot of this is film is all about is about. Parallel maybe. Life forms or whatever you WANNA call those those. DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES BUT Getting back into this do you think that that's what was going on for a Cobb to control these things? Is Him being able to play his game in his head to control how he wanted the situations to unfold? I think originally yeah but I think it got too much. I, mean definitely after mall he couldn't he wasn't in charge anymore he couldn't himself anymore. And he's not. Really. Good at what he did but only up until that point, he's good at manipulating within the dream, but he's not even making dreams anymore. That's why architects do even though he used to be an architect. So Yeah Barry Edney who have her Trailer Park Boys. She's their latest architect and. So he's really an IT becomes a team ship, a teacher team. To at the partnership if you want. A partner team ship that. I I to politicians can make up words I make up words. Excuse me some coffee. But she she seems to as the architect even like. Start improvising as it's getting out of control, for COBB, leader in the dream with the only way to complete anything to like progress at all is to improvise flexible. I think that's what he does a lot with mall shows up in that first scene inside psychos house where while shoots Arthur in the leg because paine is your pain is through the brain so. And So you know cop shoots in the head which seems kind of harsh but he knows it's come up but that's an improviser improvisation improvisation. One of those. Cute Little Shadow. Yeah. It was very nice. Yeah. Playing. Yeah. Not much cloud. Times, can I just say? off-topic. Joseph Gordon Levitt adorable this is for the ladies out there. So so cute love me some jgl. was. Really good in this film to I think he was. Like his adult movie like not I mean like like his big toe. Seen, that one too but this is A. This is like Grownup grownups movie. Yeah. He what he showed up at the audition for this in a suit. Oh. Yeah. He's. He's Arthur he's. He's still just a baby though search a baby little faces. Here's what what is he like eighty now? Yeah I must be I think it's empire might be yeah. Immortal a nice man part perhaps he's one of those highlander. Bros... Gas Back, on track. Please help me. I am. I'm not sure if I'm a dream or dreaming or. Within, A. squeaker just fell asleep are out to go into our food or maybe we're in squeakers dream deliver. Jamile. Terrible Any breasts running after me yet. So name. With legs. Up Should know about me. I specialize in a very specific type of security. Subconscious security. You talking about dreams. And Mr Call has a job offer he would like to discuss with you. Go. Workplace policeman. Not Exact. Recreate the world the. Dream. He bring the subject into that dream. And they their secrets. Then you break in and steal it. Well. It's not strictly speaking leave. It's called inception. Already. Found a way. And this last job. That's how I get their. Feel real while we're. So. When we wake up that we realized something was actually strange. Not Prepared. Classic. have it under control. Out. Of Control. Mustn't be afraid to dream with Vega Donna. So. Describe maybe one of you guys can grab all the totems for each of one of the characters because each person had a different one. Not Everybody had different one. Is One of the problems. Hers Yes. So the the whole point of the totem is to know you're not until be Elsa stream it's gotta be something that you know the secret of. Now. His wasn't COBB. was using miles. Totem and you spend the top, and if it keeps spinning doesn't fall then you are very likely in somebody else's dream and then hang on Arthur having by can I interrupt just for a second? Why couldn't Mall Spin the top? Whenever. She was in doubt Oh because she locked it away and didn't it in a way in limbo g accepted that as her one reality Until. Adult Cobb comes on and says you waiting for a train? You, think you know we're going but you're not quite sure blah blah blah. So basically run over your head with a tree. So basically. The inception of your reality is not real. You have to die to get back to and she's not willing to open the safe in order to get out the talisman that she knows I. Don't think she remembers it anymore. John really locks that part away at that now why he takes I can understand from a sentimental thing but why he's using it or better yet why he's using it and also explains it to Ariadne which you're not supposed to be. Less, that's not his real totem. Yeah Yeah. Well here here's a question I have about totems in general if it's your totem and only you know the rules couldn't your subconscious trick you in the dream into. Doing. What? You want kind of want it to do well, even worse is the architect me could. Control it because she knows the secret or I. Could control it except mal is just a at that point is just A. Nation yeah she's a manifestation of his subconscious so. But I was talking before about the audiences totem and I think it's the wedding ring cavs wedding ring because he only wears a wedding ring in his dreams. The real world, he's not wearing a wedding ring. So it's kind of like our totem go is he wearing the Rangers? You not wear okay. He's industry. He's dream level now I have to watch it again y'all. These little things really important. Moment that at the end of the movie where I'm going I don't understand we can just go. Oh yeah this is the answer here. I also read on the interwebs, Michael Cain Set I. Know You told me earlier that I was lied to on the web but that's okay. That's about Pepperoni and we'll talk about that later. Now. So I read that Michael Cain said that Christopher Nolan told him that all the scenes with Michael, Cain, them are reality. So, I went into this time watching it knowing that. and. It was a different movie for me. When I can ground in Michael Cain, which is where ground knows things. Around or grind. Column One little. We WanNA grind. You say like that it sounds filthy. Totally Ever seen educating that's some hot stuff. Anyway. Any way. Yeah. into got everyone. Before we jump on Michael Teen for going Oh my God, you tell everyone that Nolan in the past to said that he feels that copped back to his kids in the real world he goes but I'm not gonNA he goes. But at the same time I, don't want to take away from people's interpretation the movie because it's so open interpretation sues aware that people are going to interpret different things out of the movie a painting I mean everybody's going to see it and take away from it what they will I, had somebody very angry at me because they said the ending is so ambiguous I hated the ending and I went. Well why and she the top? and. What if the top falling are not falling doesn't really matter anymore it. Again. She wouldn't accept that anymore and it wasn't until the last few times I watched it wasn't told the last six or seven times I've watched. You realize that the top really isn't the top is important for one reason and that's that he starts the top seizes children walks away from the top and that's all that is children. He's no longer obsessed with his dreams. His existence is about as children so plus it looks like it's GonNa. Fall? and. It looks like it's GonNa fall. That's reality. Seriously how do you know that a top fell in the woods? Her didn't fall in the woods. Shat in the woods honesty a top to spin in the woods. There's like dirt no flats. There's no flat surface at all. You're right. I this is a dream. This out there. What if what if? We assume as reality really is another dream level and the mountains, right? It could be that's one of the theories is that they went Saito and. Saito. God it was so bizarre sight does fulfillment of. The promise he had with. COBB. Was What we saw at the end that he could. He could make everything. Because people said hockey and this guy make phone call and everything gets forgotten dry and he could he has such power but. They're saying, how did he get there? He bought an airline for Christ's sake. Line you don't just do that if you don't have power. Would be. neater. Well. Well, the other part of that is I thought it was funny that they woke up and immediately made the call. He didn't go to actually make sure that Fisher? He knew. At that point new. Well, he knew that it had been accepted but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to carry out and Israel that wasn't the deal. Yeah. He's got to make that phone call before they land. Anyway right because that was the deal and talking about that scene I love when Cobb wakes up and he looks like somebody who just woke up from dreaming for a very long time because he's like freaked out by the stewardess going. You're whatever that's immigration papers or whatever it is, and he's just he looks at. Arthur Arthur kind of has this half smile on his face with his nod and he looked at Ellen page and Ariadne's got kind of this look like. That drain to. Yeah. And then site Oh looks at him inside all like Oh fuck is supposed to make a phone call. We get. So the thing about of going back to your interpretation that ending Patrick how it doesn't matter I think even if. Reality is. And this dream level I think it still doesn't matter because that version of COBB got to see his kids again. Whether that's reality or not that's what I was trying to it is. Face. Honestly I believe I do believe that it actually all worked out in the end. He wasn't the real world Michael Caine, was their here's your grandchildren. And I think it was the real world. But my point to this woman was it doesn't matter because Cobb is happy Cobb. COBB. It's So. To. God. When you see the kids. And you see the faces that becomes the polls on the strings. This film had some things where you know he watches. When he washes up on the beach in the very beginning, and of course, the kids are kind of playing on the beach in you that sets the tone, and then we book end at the end with him seeing the kids and it's just this really cool moment that you feel. You not only have. You just watched this blockbuster film. You know that's been very exciting. You're always guessing it is action packed. You know and a lot of people get get called into this film and say it's all about all the things that you know the story are made up about but it is a really good action film a lot of action going on there's always something happened. There's not any you know there's a lot of you know they chose the right things of you know moving the camera even though they've got a lot of CGI and some of those situations but is a lot of action happening throughout the film that you never get bored with. You've got this excitement plus you have the you know you've got some charming characters in this that you care about and that's something that a lot of films don't have all these things come together to make this thing come to be a masterpiece in itself and and Christopher Nolan is magnificent inch in. That, and you know there's not anything when I watched this film that I'm like blown away with. But this also was one of the first films. Well. Listen to what I'm saying about blown away. I watched this and go. That is the most credible shot. I've ever seen. That is something you know that's like, but you never get taken out of the story and that's why I think this film is a masterpiece is because you stay in the story of the whole time and you feel that moment you feel those those those. Strings. Pulling in different directions as you're trying to figure this out and I, think he did that in Memento to where you cared about the character you know. So in this when you care about Leonardo's character cobb and you want him to find that journey back home, you know when you're wanting but you're also in the same time, you're you're feeling all the emotion and all the different things happening and you never get bored with I. Mean after watching the ten times, you're not bored with the smell I am still blown away though when she when they invert the city on itself, walk up the street. I saw that's the first time I saw a movie and I match was inception and still it comes back to me I'm just like Oh my God. This is a fucking experienced and your this thing was shot in Amax. So you know that's the thing that was shot thirty, five millimeter and sixty five millimeter. But they did some really cool thing and I think because it shot on film it looks and it holds itself even today. It wasn't shot. For X. No, they didn't shoot it in Amac the. Sticky wanted them to go three with anyone. Now, that's not chose not to go that direction with it. And but one of the things it's ANAMOUR FIC-, which is I think is. Language. Amazing. Changes the depth and you're also a wider format. So it it adds to the big screen effect and then you throw in sixty five millimeter. Film. That's got a higher quality and then also he did a lot of things that had a lot of slow motion in this that a lot of films at that time didn't have. But when you watch it now they are the perfect way to tell those pieces of him falling into the water you know and you see every detail of it. So I have something to say about the there was one slow motion scene where I was like hey. That jarred me right out of this movie and it was they were in the elevator. He had strapped them all up with phone cord. Arthur strapped everybody up with phone coordinate, floated them into the elevator and they're all in the elevator. In like. He blows the elevator to get them to kick. Right. They are all flat on the elevator floor and it's slow motion and they hit the bottom of the elevator and everybody just stays still. Yeah. And nobody's closed move nobody bounces. There's nothing they're just like as a unit they go slap and they bounce back up and I was like what the fuck. I thought about that. Because got up, I thought about that and in what you would think is there would be this whole bouncing slamming everything's kind of hard and I think that was a choice on on Christopher Nolan's I don't know I'm not heard him say this but from a director standpoint. I think that's where he said. I, want you to remember this is a dream. And he's any changed that and I. Didn't. They were like a block of frozen meat. It was a completely I don't know exactly but that's we're not went. He went from all this action and everything's happening. There's crazy to. Hold on time is changing you know and I think. That was even some of the things he did with the car saying to you know they were super slow when they were falling and all that kind of stuff which you know when you're following, you're not super slow and JJ looks relaxed. He's having most pleasant relaxing ride in his arms or all flailing. Or Out. You're getting giddy about this SCHNITT. About Leonardo my second at the so very excited about J. point. Another. The way they kept going back to the scene shot of the van falling so you could see like. Cross in time versus what they were doing in the other levels and I think that gave you. A feeling of why they were doing what they were doing in the same and I thought that was a really unique way and I'm sure that was something in the edit room where they probably you know just battled with it to get it but I think that worked of cutting back in it kind of reminded me of Children of men were in the car same the crashing the car scene and that. Should spent a million years since UH. That kind of slow mo but like cutting back and feel the had it in there that I think that that sort of tied to something that that worked and I think it worked really well, I mean this is they did it like could have they could cut back to that van a lot of times but they did it just enough where you like. So we're remembering it but not. Not like. Thinking about. This film Won Four Academy Awards. Was Best. Cinematography. Which I think it was beautiful and and and it definitely deserves a best sound editing best sound mixing and best. Visual. Effects. It was also nominated for best picture, best original screenplay, best art direction, and best original score not best director which. You know locked up. It's kind of kind of a little right here. I I'm not sure on the best director and and we're. Pretty. Sure. That year I was so pissed that it didn't win and I don't remember what one if it was like blocked it out it was like to artists or something like that and. Those years was the dog from the artist. Won. Best, picture right even hasn't happened look don't ask questions this. For. The king's speech. Oh. Right. Now not really was a good movie that was good damnit. WHO's coaching? I'M NOT GONNA watch the King's speech again, I'll tell you Why stay a couple times cents and it's really really good. It's it's yes. We know what's going on. It's not as okay. Fine I'm sorry the king's speech is really good. Speech I. Thought You said the Kingsman I'll watch it every week. Yeah. I'm not talking about and. Both have. -actly exactly it's the first East. Do. Not The first time. Those same year, you had one, hundred, twenty, seven hours Black Swan. What went. Best director that year. Tom Hooper the king's speech. And Black Swan hard to believe that one didn't win for best director because that was not my favorite movie. I. Think I saw that with you can. You might have that's a very dark in. Maybe directing and it was amazing. Aaron cost just did a great job with it Aronovski. Went on his religious. Kick with all of his movies. Yeah. Yeah. We went to the big money movies. Mine. Yes. Social Network True Oh yeah. Hard to there was a lot of good movies that year that's a great trick grits. Amazing. Before this movie, I gotTa Swear My love for Christopher Nolan because I fucking love his stuff. Kantauri mentioned memento. More than mementos the prestige. I love that when so much that was my probably like up there for my favorite movie and then inception came along like God you know that might be. Batman Christian Bale to. So the Prestige is a better movie for Christian Bale than than begins. Yeah Oh, yeah. Oh God you like I like it better. I'm not going to say that the prestige is a better movie than damning evidence. Getting better. 'cause mandate kind of stuck within the confines of. The. Batman Cannon and mythology or the fans get really mad prestigious just fucking bonkers awesome I. Think about all those huge Ackman's and I am just like. The vapors. Vapors. Can All be doing so much for us right now? Holy Shit. Sarah, how do you guys? Do you guys like the ending their? On this summer my question is, do you guys think the ending is? Is the real world. This is the end up in the real world with his children. Again I'm I'm on the Michael Cain train and I say, yes because Michael Cain is there that must be the real world. Even without that information I felt that that was the real world and that it worked out. He saw their faces. All their faces and they were aged yeah I've told you felt this was the the end in this was. Because the credits were coming up at the end. Yeah, that was. The Psychic yes. So but I, I believed what he was in the reality of it. Now when I look back on it, you know after watching it so many times I could see how it could go either way. You could say that it's not or could be or this is and who really cares because it's a great film. It's entertaining. Happy happy and so. Really down how you want how he's not wearing his wedding ring from the time he wakes up. That's a little. You know it's funny because the point somebody had mentioned is wedding ring thing and his hand is concealed his left hands concealed a lot in the movie, which is kind of sneaky Christopher. Nolan Cheeky Bastard. Only if you're looking for it, now be looking for it when you hands the passport to the What do you call that two people? The CILLIAN Murphy now? No Stewardess No. The people in the airport. Called `immigration ticket takers they're like they're the boarding pass people were to patrol. Are we all stupid. Yes we are who are those Airline people airline stewardess. Customs. Show now is nowhere near that no words you were lifetime laboratory towel. He hands the passport to the customs guy and it's so fast. I had to freeze frame. my TV, and then you look at his left hand, he's not he doesn't have the rain on and you're like, well, this is just something silly. But then they show the customs guy his hand he's got a wedding ring on and it's like a close up and it was like. Wow. Now, he's just rub it in now that you know what to look for. Could it also be that he's finally like over and he doesn't feel like he needs to wear. We haven't worn it in all reality so I don't know if in his dream all of a sudden I'm GonNa take this ring off an age, my children to you. And see the faces. Michael Team. Love Mike Okay so That's your Michael. CAIN impression no. That was my Leo DiCaprio. Impression wow. Because he loves Michael Caines. So mark there's also another thing. I read this, but it made me go back in when I was watching it. The second time there is they use different films, Dot Matt's film stocks, but cameras. To so the sixty five millimeter was done with some different shots like as in. What was in the reality and what was not was done in some of the thirty five millimeter which has a different. And I don't know to what extent that was done all the way through but they used to try the camera different types of cameras to be able to tell different types store things through the story. and. Of course, they went you put all your. Your filters. Of afterwards to blend, it can kind of become but I, think there is something to that because it's almost they wanted this to feel real. All the way through without and then but yet have their dreams be unreal and some you know also. So I think there's something to that and I'd like to watch it again and really look at the C. You know if you could see the grain and certain things and you don't see it in other things at that was away they pulled it off. But this is the thing about this is there's so many different. Levels in the film to be able to try to understand it. SORTA speaking of levels people go like well, how did Sido and top at the end just wake up from limbo and end up on the airplane Did Not, go through Snow Land Cityscape and hotel land levels but I think as their ten hours was up on the plane. Well, let's face it. This was a video game and it's all true. All right. Game plus you gotTA keep heading those levels to keep getting down to find the information. Plus what happens is when a dream collapses do they skip that level because it's not there anymore because? I completely would believe that. I am at the different levels so that changes things too 'cause you don't pick up as much information. So yeah. You're moving faster. I've read complaints that people say if you knew, you could just kill yourself to get out of it. Why didn't he do it earlier and I think the the point was. Leo New and he he had to go tell sight of that like when you're in that limbo, you don't realize it. Yeah. You don't. You don't know. That's your reality that becomes. Yeah. Yeah and how much time actually. Re in real time were they was an hour and thirty minutes or wherever along the movie was this took place or ours in twenty minutes? Yeah. Saying the same amount of. Two to twenty eight is. Edith Piaf. PF her original recording of that Song was two minutes twenty eight seconds, the movies, two hours and twenty minutes. Just. A little fun fact, but the the number is five to eight just. Did you guys see it's five to eight, four, nine, one there it is. For those of you can't see Patrick has t shirt on this as five two, eight, four, nine, one yes. You like numbers justice to my knowledge numbers don't really. Mean anything outside of layer the combination. Oh, that's something wanted to talk about how frigging awesome I teared up. So single tier when. When they open. That and He'll say F-. Little Pinwheel. Inception is based on finding a pinwheel safe. I've thought that was fucking amazing. Christopher Nolan is a God. Yeah. Well. I think, I, think we covered everything. We can cover on this call that squeaker the boy hated everything anything else. have one random thing that doesn't with any of this conversation that I thought about the movie though, okay. Where are you dreaming or you're not drinking? There was a point where I think it was in the second third level maybe when Tom Hardy became a woman. Yes something like do you need me to do that like how like you've done it before like Tom Hardy just becoming a woman and Dreamworld and? That's none of your business. Why Are you interested. You're going to have to watch boys on Amazon because some of this stuff kind of filters into that really watch that. He's the forger so he can basically be anybody and that's one of the points we forgot to mention. Nolan says he based this movie on what he knows which is movies And COBB is the director. And Arthur the producer. And ariadne's like a art director of it and eames is the actor. And it was like this whole thing he goes what I knew. That's Awesome That's a good way of. My favorite character in the whole thing I think I like him best but I love I. DO I do. For a Lotta People in this movie? Of the always lot of hearts. Even even Ellen page though I mean there's a Lotta lusting. Happen. postlewait before we get into this so good even though Johnny tiny part. P postlewait. Always good. Cillian Murphy I don't know how to say it, but he's always good. But my Michael Caine for one of the top. Credited people is in three minutes of the entire movie. They're very important minutes. They're very important when he's out there. Just three. Lucas hoskins should mention him Oh shit. I've forgotten all about him. Is He Check. Yeah he sure did. He left. By. Sorry. About that whole helicopter thing. My bed you got dragged down the stairs. I'm sorry I'm sure he's Doing okay. Yeah they didn't feel. They couldn't he. They weren't going to do anything to, but they could guarantee what cobol. Yeah. Engineering would do, which is I don't like that Co Ball. They're Bali. Really. That's another thing that people think might be a dream is because if you look at. The cobol chase through. where were they? WHAT COUNTRY MOMBASA BOSSA? They said the way it was filled a lot was like amazed like a dream as and they're like really happen. Dream. cobol is pretty generic gammy leg computer language. It's not a company. Well, it is the purposes of the movie but Molly shows do you seriously believe that there's these Cobol Ben? Chasing. After you and this that that you're the supported, you just make it up you're dreaming. So she questioned his his realities to, and it's kind of exciting. Yes. I'm excited. subconsciously you could tell by the way that you're when I is closed the other way. So that we. Can about this. Guy's been watching. This week anything exciting or new were anything the start? With Lars. Since. I. In relation to this movie, I watched brainstorm. dreamscapes I watched Paprika and like pepper is definitely is way up there is a really good a highly recommend I only recommend brainstorm and dreamscapes if you're into Punishment. Does they're not great. Eighties. Eighties and like the snake by in dreamscapes like it's scarred me for ever and. A guy for warriors. As the Yeah the bad guy. You're not I haven't seen that movie in thousand years but I loved it. I loved up. The other one wade. And Wade. Quiz. Dif-. Different. Quaid. What was the other brain storm storm. Too Yeah but yeah, they're not quite there is a lot of hardware and brainstorm to make all the dreaming things happen and that's probably the most enjoyable thing about brainstorm is like seeing people up to these weird hoses and things. Helmets hoses and shit all over. Great Dreams later. This week so Moly. Patrick. Why did you watch him? What had been watching I watched. Paris Texas because he said to watch it again, I haven't seen it in thirty some odd year and what was your thoughts on it? So it's fantastic. It's long. Yes. In to the way. Laura went into sexual when Jesus Christ two and a half hours. And that why? All right. This is cool. Then a friend of mine Michael Men's where I went to college with shamed me into watching the sting. My Mom. Such a wonderful movie. Reminded me how much. You love it and. It's good. It's good. I think I might when I was a child that was probably playing on the TV when TV, networks show mice movies. At I was too young to really appreciate it. So he got me to do that. Loved it, and then I watch birds of prey last night. Yeah. Boy State today which. Sounds like one of those dirty movies at squeaker washes by. It's about an actual Thing that the American Legion does where they put. These boys together, your I don't know how your chosen button to make basically a local government from the bottom up. Into cool documentary it's interesting. Documentary. Yeah it's not it's not a good narrative. Okay. squeak or what have you been watching? Martinez. Seventy. Eight came out. People are throat. I. Haven't been too much crazy this week I kind of took a break from watching like movies and stuff I watched. Few. NBA Games that were on and then Kind of a strange situation. There it is. It is. It is. It is weird of the bubble there. Yeah. Usually, shooting, right. Okay. Year Yeah. Okay. Still, powering through arrested development, you know fourth or fifth time. Let's season. Taking. Weeks to get through that. Those first seasons were so good and then the fourth which came out eight years after the yeah. Yes. Time. Never never captured it. I think it was a lot of things like the actors they couldn't them all at the same time. There's a lot of green screening and. But it just didn't didn't work as well. Yeah. I agree with you one hundred percent on that. Is a shame because I love the the earlier years I thought it was just kind of raw funny comedy. Yeah This week I started going back again, trying to watch some other things, but I also wanted to watch some new things. And I watched the Green Room and Patrick talked about. This is that with Patrick Stewart. It is. Kind, of a movie. Extremely good. This harsh it's really hard but very, very entertaining and you believe it and you kind of sit in there with them and experience I thought it was well done and I watched a Russian film that's just released and I highly recommend it people. It's called Sputnik. And Let's say is. Not to give away too much Is that it? Is a space movie. That bring something back to. You. But it set in like a great time. It's set in like the. Sixties kind of feel and look and feel of it. So it comes off a really neat. And then. Another one we started watching just. Last night started watching the Pale horse. On Amazon, which is kind of interesting. I don't know where it's GonNa go but I watched the first show or show. Yeah. Works the first two episodes in it's very entertaining. Very. Kind of. Mystical. kind of things like that. But. It almost reminds me a little bit of the wicker man as becks, but then it throws a twist. It's it's Kinda neat. KINDA NEAT. and been watching the boys. Amazon here. That's really good. It's fun. It's a fun thing and did not love it as much as I thought I would. Very. Different. It's very different play on superheroes so It's an anti superhero. 'CAUSE WE, got like umbrella academy season two dropped about logo. Knows I've watched that twice already the second season. Doom patrol's another quirky superhero dysfunctional. Yeah and I have trouble getting through I can't binge doom patrol the way I'd been jump Brel. Academy. Because they're similar, right? Yes. So he's he's just a lot of superheroes happening out there. Yeah. Another one I watched an ad highly recommend to is Italian film. It's called the girl in the fog and. So she's got flatulence like created. It's All interesting. Searching for a girl lost kind of film heart now say but a psychological film but very, well done. It's got a couple of twists that I did not see and. Very entertaining. I highly recommend it. So I I would I would definitely tell people put that on their list. Be, negligent if I didn't mention late last night I watched the bride of Frankenstein. Favorite Universal and followed it up with adventist beat. Frankenstein, you must have the same list I've got the same thing. I add those three. Peacock. Yeah. I did I downloaded that of just for that so everything on peacock I went to Frankenstein have been kissed. This is how I wanted to go and buy those and I went and I said well, I'm not going to buy something that's already playing on one of the other things because I probably, but I don't have it in my collection and so I was like. Let me check it out and boom popped up and then. The other one I put in there was the creature from the black lagoon so. And I think I own Abbott? ME. Frankenstein. And that's one of the best. That's one of the. So, funny. Chick. Huge Abbott and Costello. Meet I grew up with. Live with them I grow. It must have been a fun life for theft. Yes and I'm also ninety six years old. You look so young. Do. Look Kinda like ninety four, ninety three. So what's your whole Smith? Anyway we want to thank everybody for listening and we have a ton of fun while we're doing this and. And what are we doing next and what what are we doing this time? So. What are next move is going to be what? Frendo for old men was that sorry. For old man okay. I'll contract. Man It took us a little while we had to get the old man to say that for so no country and folkets. Tell him to call it no, and then he it said that. That's right. Point script ahead of time. Walking? About. Young going to be fun. Discuss that film. So I know she says it's not her favorite movie, but it's okay. It's no whiplash which I watched again, the other night i. Haven't listened to any of our older podcasts and you're still on this listening whiplash could be only like four or five of you at this point. If you're still listening three hours later. People squeakers already checked out. Just hang hang on. But if you haven't listened to any, you should check out this is our twenty four. PODCAST. So we're twenty three other ones that are very entertaining all the way. What are your favorites favorite I'll tell you. Okay. My top favorites are whiplash and Saint Street. Yeah. Inception I like Tucker, and Dale Tucker does fun and I think a lot of people haven't checked that one out and I think they're missing out. I enjoy giles I thought was really good. It's getting a little buzz online. Yeah. It's actually it's doing really well, and a lot of people are checking it out and. I mean, I'm surprised. 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Billion Dollar Drain - Decoded!

Cracking the Code of Spy Movies!

55:59 min | 9 hrs ago

Billion Dollar Drain - Decoded!

"Harry palmer a cold. Helsinki winter virus filled aids outdoor festivals. Evil computer programs. A maniac billionaire a double cross. Make up the story of the third harry potter movie billion dollar brain. Hi this is. Dan sylvestry in tampa front spy. Movie navigator dot com. It's not eggs. We're cracking join us. As were cracking the code of the nine hundred sixty seven spy movie billion dollar brain. It's the third movie in the harry palmer series after hip chris. File and funeral in berlin. So let's dive into the movie billion dollar brain. They bring back. Ross guy. Doleman and colonel stock oscar homolka from the earlier movies. I was happy to see them again. Especially stock. I loved that character me to the other main characters are leo played. Perfectly by karl and anya. France was dorleac. She was catherine deneuve older sister. Either way they're not turned down the offer to play tracy and on her majesty's secret service. Hoops general mid-winter is enthusiastically. Played by ed. Begley and i worked is portrayed by vladeck shabelle. Okay so one thing. I wanted to say about this. Cast their three oscar winners in this one askar nominee in the movie coincidentally all three were four the best actor in supporting role. There was also an honorary oscar winner in this cast him as a great cast. So michael caine one supporting actor for hanner sisters nine hundred eighty six and again in one thousand ninety nine for the cider house rules. He had four other oscar nominations. Now karl malden one for his nineteen fifty two portrayal in the movie. Streetcar named desire and he was also nominated in nineteen fifty four for on the waterfront to great. It's terrific and then ed begley one thousand nine hundred sixty two movie. Sweet bird of youth beating. Out omar sherie for lawrence of arabia and a future blofeld. Telly savalas who was nominated for. Birdman of alcatraz oscar homolka was nominated for nineteen forty eight. I remember mama and we should add that donald sutherland. He had a brief role. Is the voice of the computer won an honorary in two thousand eighteen. So they definitely had some acting prowess in this cast. Yeah absolutely i. Just i just wish. They gave him a better script to work with i. Hey i'm not so bad on this one. I know you remember when we talked about the pre title sequence witnessed podcast on the pre title sequence. Two diamonds are forever. You really didn't like that. Pre title sequence. I kind of have similar feelings towards this movie compared to the other media it's grown on me. I like it the more. I watched it all right. The names the names are interesting. Kara moldan's name is new. Begin like there's a new beginning to his relationship with palmer brewing. Oh general mid-winter practically the whole movie takes place during a cold winter reflecting back to the cold war between the us and the soviet union. And even dr i wore. I wore all right. We'll see with that connection is to a okay. let's see let's get one thing out of the way here before we get to the plot and get really get into this thing. I was eleven when the tv series six million dollar man came out. And i had assumed when i heard about the billion dollar brain that'd be based on something similar. I on something like that and boy was wrong. So instead of the billion dollar brain being a person likely majors. Who played. Steve austin and the tv series. We now learned that the billion dollar brain is a massive computer center and it uses punched cards. And i've talked about how much i love punch. Cards in some of our other podcasts. Hey nine hundred and sixty seven. This was a major leap in movies. The highlight such a massive computer brain though you had many movies dealing with super computers before this including forbidden planet in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. the nineteen fifty seven romantic comedy with spencer. Tracy and katharine hepburn called desk set. And of course the two thousand one space odyssey in nineteen sixty eight but here. We have a major spy movie with a massive computer playing a major role school. It is cool as we mentioned in the podcasts. On the chris file in funeral in berlin. Harry palmer is supposed to be an anti band. He's not suave. he's not always confident and he's not really gadget user instead. He comes from a lower class. And this is highlighted in the opening sequence. When we see someone enter a building at night walks up some dark stairs uses a key to open up the door and on the door says hp detective agency so let's place is one hundred eighty degrees from where james bond would be living. The man pulls out a flashlight to look around. So this must not be harry. We see a toaster. A classic music album dirty dishes abroad under the bed. A shoe with a hole in it and the picture of a naked woman on the wall again. This is not looking like a bond movie at this point. Yeah you mentioned maybe from lower class. British movies are really about class and in the different class ranks. So here we see this. We assume the hp detective agency is harry palmer. But here we go. Yeah this is. This is about as far from bond in the way bind live as we can as we can imagine here much further away from the bond life then we saw the file and funeral berlin. We have to remember that at the end. The funeral in berlin. Harry quit so he was no longer in five so i guess things haven't gone so well for harry up to this point anyway. This is going on here. Walks into the room with his gun out and tells the flashlight guy. Hey raise your hands above your head and slowly turn around. We see its colonel. Ross who wants to rehire harry for a project as he turns around and stumps cornflakes out of the box. I love that part. just terrific. somehow they don't seem out of place there you pull it out of a file cabinet dumps. Fortunately here he's carrying a grocery bag with him as he's walking in and he's got his gun and he's got a brand new box of cornflakes in it. So it's like. Oh my god always be prepared with the cornflakes. Yeah ross always a bureaucrat. Tells palmer he can be in palmer's place because he has a d. seventy-two authorization in four hundred and ten and a search warrant from the metropolitan police. The usa form numbers again from the early movies continues here. It's funny. It cracks me up because in all of these movies. These form numbers keep coming up just showing the bureaucracy of five now. Ross wants to bring harry back to five and he offers them a three hundred pound raise over what he made. Last time you worked there he tells palmer that is detective businesses dead. And he's just keeping alive on. Cornflakes harry as a typical harry to ross here. And he says yes they're full of vitamins. I love that line. Whereas james bond quips generally tend to be directed at an object or criminal and he tends to show deference to 'em at least mostly harry is just hilarious with these interactions with ross. Even tells ross if you want me back in that office at love to you're going to have to send around two very big men with a blackjack that harry bomb prefers his current life as dismal as it seems here to working for. Am i five and ross again. One hundred percent condescending while ross. Is there a currier delivers. A package at harry as an aside nepotism is a great thing. The actor who played that delivery guy has three movie entries. Imdb all have michael. Cain the star. I guess it helps when your name a stanley kane and your brother is the star of the movie so anyway ross leaves palmer gets a phone call with a computerized voice. The voice doesn't answer harry's question and tells them that the package he just received was payment to deliver a package. Harry's retort was who is how did you pick on me yeah and bam into the title sequence. We run from there and the title sequence shows us a computer. What the punch cards that. Tom love so much they have the name palmer on the deck. So we can assume this movie as something to do with computers now. Okay so in that package. Harry got a key and the voice told him he's got to go to the locker at an airport. He needs to pick up the contents of the locker. And take it to helsinki. This scene made me feel like it may have influenced one thousand nine hundred five movie. Get shorty with john travolta. There's a scene in there where a package has to be picked up from an airport locker but that case people were watching it to see who picked it up. There's also an airport. Locker in diamonds are forever however bond doesn't take the package out of the locker. A skycap does bond just monitors. What's going on when other thing here. And i think it might have been a missed opportunity. He's given the recognition fraser code word. Now is the winter of discontent. This is the opening line from shakespeare's play. Richard the third. I'll explain what i think. They missed when we talk about the ending of the movie. I like that. I like that. The package was a thermos like container and he was told not to open it so of course he tries to open it and he can't open it so i bomber goes to a shoe store and at that time in the nineteen sixties shoe stores had a machine that measured your feet for fit. It was an x-ray machine which eventually they figured out way too much radiation for people but anyway here palmer cleverly puts the thermos instead of his feet in there and sees what looks like eggs in the image. So can an x-ray see through metal. I don't know the answer to that. 'cause isn't the thermos metal. Yeah the thermoses metal and glass. And whatever but i think i think he'd probably can anyway the movie and actually. This is one of the things that i think was one of the most clever things. That harry doesn't whole series. I mean this was really. You've got this thing can't open it up. How do i see what's in it. Oh i'll take an x ray of the shoe store brilliant. Yeah it was terrific and so okay. So he's got to bring these eggs to helsinki. That's his instructions. This is the basis of the plot. And the rest of the movie details harry palmer's efforts to deliver these eggs and what these eggs might mean and who is who and so on so to me. The fun of this movie is what happens as we move from piece to piece of the platte and who is doing what for who and why sounds confusing. Yeah i'm not even sure. I've watched movie ten times. I'm not sure. I one hundred percent get the whole plot of this movie. It is confusing. But eventually if you watch it a lot it makes and we're gonna make some sense of it here. Which is oh okay. We're gonna try right so we eventually do come to find out that these eggs are carrying a virus on nasty virus and as we're dealing with the covid thing right now. It's kind of apropos. We talk about this now. This virus theme something. We also see in mission impossible to where the camera virus is going to be unleashed in order to sell the antidote so a slightly different twist on it but the virus is getting released to do bad things so in either case with what we're doing what we're going through with the corona virus or what's happening with the virus in this movie the viruses are not going to be used in a nice way there all right so we're going to focus on a few key scenes. Here palmer has to helsinki. This is a great setting. I went to helsinki a few summers ago. It was a beautiful warm day. The swimming area next to the docks was opened was packed with the locals. The farmers market was alive. Lots of boats on the water. Lots of activity. We went out to the island. Were parts of this. Movie are filled. It looked like a vibrant city. Let's shift to the movie in this movie. It's winter remember. We said eglise role as general mid-winter their snow and ice. All around you get the feeling of relations. Most of the shots are wide shots with very few close ups in our podcast where we interviewed yohannes ekelund. He mentioned that. Helsinki was more right in the winter. It was made for the winter. This movie sure gives us that impression. We also just did a podcast on the two thousand twenty one movie cliff walkers that was sad and snow as well but at a very different feel. They're the snow was beautiful. And billion dollar brain snow and ice makes me think of desolation and harry is alone in this environment a few times throughout this movie and also the code phrase mentioned earlier now is the winter of our discontent this setting states. That perfectly yeah it really and you see him walking there. Sometimes you feel like oh my god you are really in the middle of nowhere on your own and you have no idea what's happening. Which is you know the whole thing in the movie. So we'd helsinki harry meets anya. Who brings him to asana the steam billows out of the room when the doors opened in the cold i thought that was so cool that affect me too. That's nice that makes you. It makes you cold and it kind of like a warm up. When i go in in case we forget it was gold there. That's why they're showing us this. They meet a man named leo new. Begin he harry knew each other from an earlier case not either of the two previous movies harry palmerston however on your kisses leo They have a thing going on. Even though leo is married to someone in texas. Here's a funny bit with snake. This a little bit with leo and anya being naked in the sauna and they tell harry he should join them for a cup of tea. Suttles stuffy does it's like absolutely there's definitely people who are very comfortable hanging around naked and harry's not one of them. Yeah seen as one of many. With karl malden and michael caine. Having some great dialogue the two great actors worked so well together here. It's just fun to see them. In these scenes. So leo discovers that harry knows there are eggs in the thermos hairy. Ask them. are you going to have them. Scrambled fries a good line. Okay here harry again has great bind like lines. He is a clever guy and a quick thinker cool. Yeah yeah absolutely no notice in this movie. Is the our work remember. I said there was a naked picture on the wall and harry's office. There's some other art on the wall there right but then harry goes to see a guy named dr karna who leo told him to go see. And he's dad. When harry gets there but there's a lot of art in this place and i don't know that much about art to comment directly put a guy named matthew bradford does and he has a blog called double section where he wrote about this movie what he said about the art. I just couldn't say this any better. I'm just going to quote him from this. Whether it's the juxtaposition of beautiful two-dimensional nudes cut in with quick shots of a grotesque brutally murdered body or the sudden appearance of painted finished deity serving as a stern reminder. That men in the world of espionage are but pawns of the larger unfathomable and disease the ever-present wall art plays a crucial role in russell storytelling. And there's a lot of it and we're going to see more of it in a little while to so hairy leaves dr karna. By way of being chloroform d- he wakes up the two big guys with the black bar. Yeah he wakes up in a limo with colonel. Ross who proceeds the blackmail. Harry into rejoining am i five. There's a briefing in the car. And harry takes oath to join them. I five again. east old. Getting the egg back to the british laboratory is his mission. All right now wait. Wait wait wait. I want to stop you before you go on because in this scene there is absolutely great. Callback the chris file as ross is trying to convince harry to come back. He says to them now. Listen to me. That was the key action phrase if you will in the brainwashing seats through and you have chris file. Yup it activated the brainwashing. Yes yeah now later in the in this movie billion dollar brain colonel stock says listen to me at multiple points. Yes but he doesn't say. Now listen to me. They crossed us here so. I'm almost wondering if that callback. Harry kind of agreed. Go along after ross. Has this conversation with now. listen to me. Maybe there wasn't an effect or even though he the files seemed like not to have been brainwashed. Whoa hey this. That's a good. That's a good call out. That's that was one that i'm like. Oh i love that. Yeah that's cool all right so now. We have more intrigued thrown at us here. The eggs are filled with nasty viruses. What will be done with these viruses and by who and to whom in two thousand and one. We're still very much worried about viruses so for nineteen sixty seven. This is a very intriguing disclosure for the viewer to learn. Yeah there's another thing that might have been an influence or in a future movie from this scene in the car. If we jump forward to the james bond movie tomorrow never dies in that movie. After they leave the admiral bond m robinson and moneypenny are whisked at high speed to the airport and they have a briefing in the car similar to briefing. That ross has with harry kind of telling them what's up the big difference here is that harry is the antibody so in this case colonel. Ross trump's harry on the side of the road as ross continues onto the airport more cold desolation isolation more winter of our discontent more anti bond carries just sitting there. Having to walk back bond would have been given ride back and the further highlight the pace of this. There's really no big transition here. Harry is walking in the snow. And then there's a cut and he's driving with leo and we go to this room so just like you're walking along in the snow. You just drop you off and boom there. You are with leo. So let's see what's going on there. The artwork here as walking into this room is fantastic almost jarring with the juxtaposition of christian religious art with what looks to be indian art and some battles all of the images they are choosing to show us and they're choosing to show us these and the focus on get us ready for thinking that our main characters will be engaging in some kind of war we are being prepared and it's put its european prepared in the background. It's kind of a subconscious. It's doing that because it's just art work on the wall and it's kind of creeps in a little bit. Yeah they get to a high tech door. that palmer must put his hands on the glass plates. The redes- fingerprints we presume while he must look into a lens assuming for facial recognition so he can be registered and enter this room. Well they meet up with a computer which gives them their orders. Leo says it puts i five and cia back into the stone age. I love that they feed info. It goes through its big brother and back come their orders. Palmer says cuts out thinking like that. That line challenges the value of agents in the field who have to think quickly versus a high tech world where the central agency or computer is thinking really. This is predictive of how much of spy work is done in the two thousands now with high tech stuff versus field agents. Well and it's even that talks to position. There is become a theme in some of the latest. James bond movies of the can we do things through the computers or do we need these field agents and so it's you know it's it's kinda come around right so one question i have here is. Is that computer work. Some form of artificial intelligence. I'm not sure well anyway. The computer talks than the same. Broken voice has the one that originally gave harrys instructions to pick up the eggs at the airport at voiced by the way is the aforementioned donald sutherland very early on in his career. So here we learned. Palmer gets codename concerto now. This is good. We know he loves classical music from the first two films and even the album that found in his dingy office. That was a classical music album. And so this is a nice tie and concerto from the italian concerto is a musical composition usually composed in three parts or movements in which usually one solo instrument for instance a piano violin. Cello flute is accompanied by an orchestra or concert band. Okay why does he have the name concerto three parts. We just talked about this. Harry palmer the independent detective getting paid to deliver a package to helsinki. Harry palmer the five agent working to get the package back to england. Harry power the double agent working with leo but working for really i five. This is a perfect codename for him. Perfect three parts yet usually a solo instrument. Harry is going to go at it alone. This is beautiful. And that's great insight and easy the midst like wow the orchestra all the characters around him. The computer leo anya. Midwinter army. that's the orchestra around them. Concerto is a beautiful well-thought-out codename for harry palmer and it's also his third harry palmer movie three parts. Third air base. The computer gives a command for piccolo. Agent which is leo to eliminate an opposition agent will be on the steps of russian church at a certain time palmer some toy computer the computer ordering a hit. Yeah leo says we have to protect ourselves. This command and how leo handles. It is an important part of the story and shows leo's true colors or madness. We won't spoil it for you if you haven't seen the movie yet but no so let me let me jump in here for for a second just talked about how concerto was a perfect name for harry palmer's codename Then you mentioned that. Piccolo is the codename for leo. What's the story there. Another great name for leo piccolo in italian is small. So leo is a small agent. Maybe he thinks he's bigger than he is or whatever but he's a small agent not as powerful as he thinks also. A piccolo is a small flute that plays an octave higher than an ordinary one. So does leo play a different game than the other agents It makes you wonder. Harry and yeah i like it and anya meet up with this guy called. I work yeah. I worked note on the names. Thing i walked does for small. I worked below his right eye. Check it out. I was looking for it. This is good. I mean that's his name. I work great. Leo is there with the eggs. I worked is examining under a microscope. And leo's harry meet mr sonata. I worked in lots of musical codenames in this organization to sanada so that s not the garter talking about a sanada is usually a solo instrument with piano accompaniment. Okay perfect. Because i work. Looks like a loner. add different. He alone is working on the eggs and the virus. He has a dispute with palmer and with leo. So he is a loner. This is a perfect codename for him. So nafta yes. Yeah then tells harry that he. Harry has to go to latvia. Okay so. I said that this is that this is not my favorite movie of the first half of it. I'm cool with. Its when he has to go to latvia that this movie starts a skit off the rails for me up to now it's been a fairly classic straightforward spy drama. But then when harry gets a lot fear it gets weird gets absolutely crazy when he gets to texas. We'll talk about in in a minute. So harry and i were split up leaving harry alone once again walking in desolate snow covered place and as is required in spy movies. It seems harry ends up on a train as a little bit of a comedy in in one part of this where he's handed and he gets handed newspaper with a big picture lennon on it and the train pulls into a town. Harry goes to his hotel room but we see someone's watching him. He's then in bed any wakes up when a waiter comes into his room. The guy turns around. And it's colonel stock. We last saw funeral in berlin. To me this is good. This is my favorite character from the last movie. And he's back in this movie so glad he's back because he was so good in funeral in berlin so stock knows palmer has a meeting set up for the next day and he says i owe you a favor ever since berlin. When i heard it was you. I came myself in cognitive if you know what i mean. He's in a duck cdo s. He's like the waiter. This great stuff. Great stuff so he tells palmer not to go to the meeting the next day and warns him that if he does go you will be in great danger not from stock or any of his men then. So there's there's two things here one is. He uses listen to me in this when he's telling him not to go. He says listen to me here and so again think into that brainwashing thing except that. They'll never the word now in front of it right. So there's that the second thing is if i'm harry and i've got a colonel from from russia coming in telling me hey i'm doing you a favor here. Don't go to this meeting. I might wanna listen to them. Especially since she know how good he was funeral limbered. Yes all right. So here's another. I thought it was kind of anti online. Stock is removing his bow. Tie in the collar he says the bomber. I suppose a young man like you wouldn't understand the pleasure of removing tight collar of course on wears often. But you really don't see palmer in tuxedos here. I had a different spin on this. I thought it was more a line about how men gain a few pounds. As they age collars get tight and maybe not aligned tuxedos. I could be wrong there. I know what's happening. Stock is a big guy. Yeah so you also have to remember that. Not too long ago. Many trash shirts didn't have the collar. Attached especially on formal wear. The collar remains stiff. And you add it onto the shirt. You buttoned it onto the shirt and so unbuttoned of taking that off for me. Yeah okay. I liked it then. Stock tells harry get out of this organization they're a bunch of nutcases and criminals. Intelligence work is one thing but using hooligans to try to break up a country is another all right. We have no idea what's going on some organization though is trying to break up the soviet union Now he says are a bunch of nut cases and he's absolutely right because the next scene is just this crazy thing with a plan that goes awry with this crusade for freedom organization planning to steal supplies and take pictures of documents from truck from the enemy. He's doing laugh. You see it's all but it's it's the the kupa people in what they do is absolutely crazy. The music here. Which is the score is great the music here. Just kinda shows how goofy these people are. Okay right another thing about this score is if you watch the movie on dvd. When harry meets basil in the organization a guy says something that seems really odd englishman. You got some beatles records well that sounds so odd because immediately before that sentence in the originally released movie. There's a thirty two second scene where the beatles song a hard day's night is played so it it was actually a good tie back to what you just heard from the music but on the dvd. They didn't have the rights to the song was going to be too expensive. Cut it so they cut it out of the dvd. If you saw this movie videotape you would have heard the song and this guy's question wouldn't have been so out of the blue. Now i defy any of you to find a videotape of this machine. You can play it in. But the highest doesn't work out and most of the crusade for freedom people are killed. Somehow i think the score really made this comical but it worked making a comment was comical in the sense that these guys did not seem very professional and seemed doomed to fail. Anyway is harry flees. He's in the woods in beautiful with men on horseback chasing him down again snowy cold. I don't know why but that scene looked to me like something out of my python. Holy grail tipped. It wasn't funny because he's getting underdog had that feel just a flesh wound erin. Hairy gets hit over the head incomes to in a bathtub filled with all these dead people and as he stands up to thugs grab him and scrub him clean. Someone is watching out for him. Is it stock leo. Ross who we don't know we don't know for sure. The next thing tells us as harry is taken an orchestras playing shostakovich's symphony number eleven. The year nineteen o five. Stock is crying from the music and he explains that symphonies importance to the russian people. Wow yours again. And that was that was powerful their the way they did. Yeah yeah yes beautiful use of music and then then stack takes harry to a bar and we see and another table. Yeah no. We're just in latvia. They left. I'm not exactly sure where this is happening. I think they're still there. Yeah and stock says you know the song where tears fall roses grow. If it were true. Latvia would be full of roses. That's a good line. During the war. They massacred thousands of their own. Countrymen here refers to sonata as a war criminal and we can see that the military is about to close in on sonata sonata. Breaks a class file. Pours it into his drink. Throws it back and dies so we can finally leave this madness of harry in latvia. And we can go. Back the helsinki and there are two important things to note from this. Whole lafayette mess. I stock has harry's back and second there are issues between the russians and the latvians. Yeah i think it's good. So they show why he went to lafayette. They were going to get those documents and everything else things failed. He somehow survive stocks looking out for good stuff. So back in helsinki harry meets with anya and leo is not there on your gets a phone call and says leo has to go to the castle at five o'clock so he won't be back soon and when she's on that call she speaks russian. I think interface changes and look sad. She snaps her head back around changing face. To tell harry about leo. I think there she got orders for what comes next. She inherited end up in bed and she grabs. What looks like either a curtain or a hat pin or something like that and he's he's gonna stab area in the back with just like how dr karna died. This scene inspire how catherine trammell killed her victims by stabbing them with an ice. Pick in basic instinct. I think the scene might have inspired that however the scene does confuse me. She tells harry that it was the brain. Which is what they call a computer but we find out at the end of the movie that she's russian and she's russian in stock has harry's back why was an. You're gonna kill harry. This is just one of those many plot points in this movie. I just don't understand. Yeah and speaking of don't understand we. Now get another. No cut transition to harry and leo in texas if i thought things were nuts. Latvia they're insane in texas getting the texas changes everything about this movie. And it leaves the anti bond approach to the harry palmer movies and sort of becomes a bond movie. There's a megalomaniac congenital midwinter. Who wants to start world. War three to rid the world of communism. There are large sets and villain's lair. There even henchman dressed in uniform. This is definitely a body and second half of the movie and general midwinter just feels like an insane blow fell to me. Yeah the scene is like because it's a spectacular scene. In every sense of the word spectacular with bonfires going parties people dancing and crazy speeches going on so but yeah it is kind of a spectacular bind like seeing one other thing is that the cinematography changes to remember. We said earlier. That bought helsinki shots were wide helping to promote this isolation feeling and so you get the texas everything is shot closer especially the bonfire scenes and we as the viewers are brought into the second half of this movie helping promote the idea. That things are different. Now we're kinda into the scenes themselves so they go to texas to meet with general mid-winter who runs this oil company and there's a huge huge party happening again. Bonfires people dancing all this kind of stuff. Have people having fun. Unlike anything. we've seen a helsinki or live. That's for sure so this is different. It's different and there's also some disturbing images during this fire. I while camera worlds around all of this activity. There are some posts in the background. That kind of look pointed. kkk hats. The party is really a rally. General mid is rallying his troops then we see the logo behind general midwinter and this logo has a great similarity to the symbol of the nazi party. I'll be without the swastika. Yeah this is a radical group. In general midwinter is stuck fighting the communists. Yeah and ed. Begley plays midwinter as we mentioned and i think he really looked like a lunatic and what she's supposed to be and i love his facial expressions his screaming prayer in. Please just perfect all the references. The god on his side and everything. It's just just beautiful. It's acted a really really well. Yes it is but this whole scene in texas is almost a seven minute monologue by winter just showing. How bad shit crazy he is yes. There's the occasional one or two response or question from harrier leo but almost all of the dialogue here is mid winter raving He's got some good ones. Oh lord i humbly accept the sort of leadership which dow thrust upon me. he's good. this is perfect. How many times do leaders believe that. They have the lord god on their side guiding them to do what they are about to do. I mean really go back to the year three thirteen. The victory of constantine in is attributed to his faith in the christian. God constantine's chief concern. Was that a divided. Church would offend the christian god and so bring divine vengeance upon the roman empire and constantine himself schism in constantine's view was inspired by satan. Constantine himself believed that he had a special and personal relationship with the christian. God okay so we see a very similar situation here. And i think begley plays it well for the viewers like we see his special relationship. He thinks he has with god. But we see the satanic flames behind them. This is brilliant stuff to mid winter. There's only one thing for him to defeat and that's communism is crates stuff. Texas is great. It's crazy so then a believing this bonfire midwinter rousing prayer. And harry gets to meet the general and this is an alarming scene because this even show us more. How crazy mid-winter is. He has a long discussion with harry. About how bad communism is and how he's going to get rid of it. He takes harry into an elevator on his way to the computer center and brags about the computer as they walk into the computer room. He says we're going into the twenty first century. This is how wars are going to be fought and life is going to be lived. I'll tell harry of the computer center my brain. It costs me one billion dollars. This is where the title comes from. Yeah this is a honeywell computer facility and it looks great. Yes it stated by today's standard but it was absolutely state of the art. Nineteen sixty seven on. This movie was made and look it up prophetic. It was in terms of how wars are going to be fought. I mean this is exactly what goes on today so that was actually pretty prophetic. This is my favorite line is whole crazy. Seen it makes the pentagon look like a room. In the alamo and talking about the computer that's just terrific and of course i don't know if you've ever been to the alamo small. It is now at this point. I'm wondering why. The general is so trusting of harry. Harry was supposed to be killed. Brains orders yet. Here he is. I stopped trying to put logic in this movie. Longtime there's twist this where it's like. Why why would he be doing that. Yeah leo's in the computer center and there's constant motion going on general midwinter is raging on and on about communism the russians china. You name it. He's going to take it all down. What really cracks me up. But really i thought was funny. Was that during all of this. The general grabs a deck of about thirty to fifty computer cards and says this is the program for revolution when we feed them into this machine. Latvia is going to be in one big turmoil. These send out orders to all of our agents and latvia to begin the uprising. They take over the radio stations. The police the post office the airports and then the general shows them punched paper tape. This was another way. Computers could read programs so maybe that deck was just the instructions to the agents. Today they would do it by text message but there's no way that small little check in and of itself would have been enough of a program to take down latvia. They they came so close to getting this whole computer thing right here. This one just correct. I think the deck was more of a symbol of what the computer can do anyway. We need to remember that. This whole thing started with the package arrive at harry palmer's dismal technical agency office and it's been a long crazy ride to get to this point. The general tells. Leo you want. I work to work fulltime on those viruses. Whatever you say general now. Harry knows i is dead does lille okay. Keep that in. Mind harry you're going to learn how to spread those viruses and you're gonna learn quick because my brain says the hour is at hand and my brain is never wrong. He plans to start revolution nuts. He is nuts now. This is nat that absurd. Just look at the bay of pigs in the. Us plan to do the same thing in cuba in april of nineteen sixty one against castro and his communist regime. It was the same kind of concept much smaller scale but the same crazy concept and the generals plan is very similar when the latvians after initiating the uprising call for help then the general will have his forces ready at hand to help not the us government forces but his forces then he says once we show the way then the us and other free governments of the world will follow. Wow guy the guy is crazy in a lot of ways so this whole montage of images the party the fires burning pictures of lenin and other communist leaders being consumed by flame the general screaming and waving his arms. All the music it is constant almost jarring motion and reinforces hop consumed in crazy. This guy really is. And this was a tour de force acting performance by ed. Begley and it culminates with his repeating the words strong many times and in the in the movie what i like about it. He starts going strong strong strong and they cut to some other stuff and as they come out of the other stuff. He's still going strong strong strong. This guy is nuts. Yeah and then. We see leo at key punch writing out a new program. What we know. Leo isn't on the up and up a little brain surgery. He says oh. I get it rain the computer okay. Remember the orders on the assassination. Well i'm a racing those orders and substituting my own a says it's all the harry. The fact that leo is against the general's orders becomes clear and leo betrays hairy. Leo gets pictures that were taken. When harry was woodstock into the generals hands showing him. These pictures we see. The general isn't the only crazy person in this movie. Now leila's kind of nuts to just a little more a little off his rocker here. Yeah harry gets detained by some henchmen and midwinter is about to shoot harry. When another bonding thing happens. What harry talks way out of it by telling the general that leo is sabotaging him and check the central computer. Why says bundy and eight think about the way. James bond talked to sanchez in licensed to kill bond. Put into sanchez. Mind as sanchez is about to have him killed a couple of times. Harry does the same thing here. Midwinter sees on the monitor. What leo is doing and calls for the guards to detain him again. This is great cinematography. You see the sweat and perspiration on mid winners forehead nose above his lips. This is just a perfect shop. Graphically illustrating the intense worry that is now permeating mid winter's body and mind. Oh good stuff so now. Leo escapes the central computer. Got out of there. I don't understand but whatever and on the way what same way buying gets different flip places. Yeah so we get great line from the general as yells leo through the speakers again showing his my way or the highway attitude. My arm is long and my vengeance is total. And may god forgive you. Because i certainly won't good. Just what the heck i mean. It's interesting to fronts this line right so i it shows mid-winter narcissism second if he really is a god fearing man. Shouldn't the general. forgive leo. it's what the bible tells them today. Yeah it shows the general -plicitly because of leo's escape. Mid-winter accelerates the action latvia immobilizes forces. He wants salafi and uprising program to run the viruses released and he wants all of us. The happen very quickly. Harry tells the general that he can find. Leo and again talks his way out of getting shot. So now we leave texas like that. And we're back in. Helsinki had with the general and his team harry's waiting out of bench and we see anya and is about to smash them when harry calms things down. Let's go with the eggs. Because he knows she'll lead him. Leo yeah which they need to find leo on your speeds away in a mustang and passes a statue of a naked woman. Another naked woman. See about to throw a spear again. The camera makes a point of showing us. The statue is on your this warrior woman about the throw. A spear into the works of area midwinter or leo. Oh yeah we all know exactly who she is. So she gets to the train. And hands the eggs to leo. We cut again other train seen in a spy movie. Yeah again a quick transition no transition actually to a scene of mid-winter looking over the vast ice and snow covered water like a general serving the battlefield. Which is what he really is. We're back to the wide open shots. The desolate environment. The cold everything that the chaos in texas wasn't yeah. We're not in texas anymore. A as they ride the train they end up in a dining car and underway to russia. Leo in anya harry. Some henchmen grab leo at a stop and grab the eggs as they get off the drain on anya pulls out a gun and shoots the henchmen. Leo runs the gear of the eggs as the train pulls out with on your on it. She keeps him from getting on the train by kicking him and looked back at leo tracks and she has a smug smile on her face so she was an leo side. Either oh lovey dovey naked stuffing asana. Exactly and i love the smug smile. She's got on her face. I mean did this spire the ending of the james bond movie. Live and let die where barron sammadi is on the front of the train laughing. Harry and leo walkaway dejected. And okay i'm done at this. Point is the time. Leave the theater yet. Leone harrier still in helsinki. We're done right. i quite wrong. No we still have the general deal with. Harry is supposed to bring the eggs back to england another direct cut to general midwinter in a window overlooking a platoon of henchman. All dressed in white coats. There is a very nazi hitler. Feel to this he again. Invokes god by saying with god on our side. How can we fail. Oh my god yes. so much. For an antibody. Appeal to the harry. Palmer moi's meglomaniac acting like he's above all a platoon of henchmen wearing common uniforms and trying to track him down. Let's see who's movies to this sort of thing james bond. Maybe i mean. I thought harry was supposed to be the anti bond and not fall into these tropes. This feels wrong. For a harry palmer. Movie to me yeah. This is spectacular in terms of Of the whole sort story set anyway. The general has this military hard hat on with four stars on it and his organization's logo Instead of the tight shots we saw them in texas. He's centered on the screen but doesn't take up. The whole screen is scene is reminiscent of the scene. We see six years later in the movie. Patent or patent is addressing his troops so very much like that while this goes on and midwinter is walking amongst his troops. We see harry and leo driving to meet up with the general we also see other. Parts of the uprising have started the troops. Get into oil tankers for a long drive to latvia. Wow and like how. They use the oil tankers to transport troops here. You wouldn't think you were looking at a military operation. It brings me back to licensed to kill where the tankers are used to remove the drugs. And i hadn't realized how some of that movie appears to have been inspired from this one. Yeah well actually. You could go back to the nineteen forty nine james cagney movie white heat. They criminals hiding in an oil tanker. Maybe they inspired this billion dollar brain. Seen could be. Yeah yeah so now heroine. Leo are too late when they get to wear. The general was and they leave to catch. Up with the tankers and again we have a quick cut with the advanced team setting down navigation lights on the ice and the trucks continue forward. This time we're back to the tight shots again and this is happening. We see stock military room with planes on a map being pushed around as you've seen in many war movies is counterattack has started the planes bombed the tankers and the ice cracking the ice we see mid winter's plans cracking along with the ice winters troops and tankers fall through the ice. Harry jumps out of his car which falls into the icy water again. This isn't a harry palmer movie. It looks like a bond movie here. He's the score is very good here too. Brassy military music. It's very good throughout the movie. But here it's especially good. We midwinter army fall into the cold water and drown. We see midwinter do the same bringing his diabolical plan to an end so much for god being on his side. Okay so if you remember at the beginning of this podcast if you can remember back that far. I said i thought they missed an opportunity when they used. Now is the winter of our discontent. I get that. The winter in helsinki and the general being midwinter the tie in there but the first line of richard the third was now is the winter of our discontent in that play. Richard the last line is a horse. A horse my kingdom for a horse now in this scene mid-winter doesn't say anything. And i would love some line like that from midwinter. When he was going under the water to me it would have brought the whole movie home with a type of continuity based on this key phrase of now is the winter of our discontent instead. We just see midwinter slowly sinking into the water. That would have been a great idea for the movie tom here. We get another quick cut to stack. As he takes the marker from the map that represented bid windsors army and toss us aside with a wry smile on his face. Then back the harry on the ice the score has gone quiet. Harry is once again alone on the ice and needs to walk a long way to get outta there. The dead silence is broken by the sound of a helicopter. Well stock gets out of the helicopter and talked about patriotism and how some people like midwinter can be both a patriot and a very stupid man or brings that out in people. It's a great short speech by stock. Oh absolutely that actually was good. Yeah gary the eggs and leaves so once again harrys alone on his vast amount of ice. He's hitting lafayette now. And we see him walking. Just like when ross left him and finally finally we get a transition. The scene fades to trafalgar square to. Ross how so when. He's in his office to figure out what the picture on the wall. In ross office was it was kind of covered by by their heads. But if you remember the butterflies from funeral in berlin they're gone and there's a new picture hanging there but again i couldn't really tell what it was. I'd love to know because that's spot has held significance in the prior to movies. There's another surprise in this scene which we're not gonna give away but palmer will work for us. Again was a mission successful. Yes and no. He prevented the invasion by the nut. Midwinter but did he get the eggs back and who england produced these virus eggs anyway. Well there was the macguffin. It really doesn't matter. It's just like this movie for me now. I wanna i wanna close by talking about this being the third harry palmer movie. We've talked in the past. About how the third james bond movie with new actor tended to be a really good movie if not that actress. Best ya goldfinger. the spy. Who loved me. The world is not enough sky. Fall for bonn. I'd question sky fall over casino royale true but mission impossible three. The godfather come to mind is third movies. That didn't live up to the series godfather. Three better than a lot of the critics. But it still wasn't as good as the first two and this is another example. Michael caine god of his five movie deal after this movie yet another antibody tribute to billion dollar brain. It didn't follow the bond pattern of the third movie being so good. Yeah i liked it. But funeral in berlin is still my favorite harry palmer movie with michael. Cain and billion dollar brain is probably my least favorite of the three. So maybe it should have been million dollar brain. Well that's a wrap. You can tell that time then like this one as much as i did but let us know what you think. Thanks for listening. This has been dancing. Vestry in town a spy movie navigator dot com. We hope you enjoyed our cracking. The code of the spy movie billion dollar brain follow us on twitter facebook and instagram to subscribe to our show cracking the code. Spy movies. Right now favored podcasts at an youtube as well. Thanks for listening. We appreciate it.

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007. The Ipcress File (1965)

SpyHards Podcast

1:09:55 hr | 9 months ago

007. The Ipcress File (1965)

"Hello and welcome to spy Hotspur podcast for the next hour, your hosts will go deep undercover into the world of spy movies to decipher which films make the NOC list. But remember this information is strictly for your is only I'm agent Scott and I'm cam the provocateur or are they come? What are we looking at this week? We are going to have a look at the nineteen, sixty, five spy thriller, the HIP Chris File. Starring Michael, Caine, and directed by Sidney J fury. Now, while my favorite things to do if a week is to reaching the synopsis from Fox Dot Com. Joins us. Now how how long? I could see this one being super convoluted but. I'M GONNA. Guess because it's an older movie, it's like half a sentence. Well Yourself Down Prepare Because Harry days the HIP Chris File. Spy Story of the century sly and dry intelligence agent. Harry. Palmer is tasked with investigating British intelligence security, which is soon enmeshed in a world of double dealing, kidnap and murder when he finds a traitor eating at the heart of the secret service. Wow, that's it. I'm especially impressed with the use of sly and dry as a description of that character. I was just looking at the what in matched him. I don't even have actually said that would allow before. I I'm kind of stunned. They didn't use the term trickster as they did in the movie which made me laugh. Yeah I. I do like the concise. Brevity clarity. Straight to. The point. When I think of the word trickster though I think of Loki from the door movies I don't think Michael Caine and the nurse file. No he doesn't really strike me as the kind of guy to walk around with a giant sceptre the. stolen Zoe's crown. On weekends just not duty hey, they're all sequels not haven't seen them. So maybe he does that'd be amazing by the time we get two billion dollar Brady's walk into the Cape and a horned helmet. Just mind controlling people exactly. This took a ton. took a ton. But I'm along for the ride. Now. We can't stop so I. IF I remember correctly is this your first time seeing this film? It is indeed. Yeah. So what we are initial thoughts. I was really excited about tackling this franchise because when we started spy hearts, obviously a big part of the appeal for me was getting to talk about movies like by North West or revisit stuff like the Bourne identity which I washed Washington forever But I also looking forward to new discoveries and the Chris File. I'd heard a lot about and I was very aware of the Harry Palmer character mostly because a few years ago I don't meet his ten years ago who knows Time just flies by nowadays but Michael Cain started a movie called Harry Brown, which was a bout, a former intelligence operative who gets involved in light kind of a personal drama, and there was a lot of references in reviews for Harry Brown about Harry Palmer, and so I suddenly began to realize that this was a thing but I never saw the Harry Potter movies. So excited dive in and I say office I, one I'm super in like I thought this movie was really cool. Okay. I actually. I'm on the other side of that again I. Well, I hadn't seen it. So this was my first entry to I didn't know much about this film a tool I've never really heard of it. I'm not really familiar with Michael Caines. Works. Maybe the Italian job or Something like that. But I wasn't a big fan of this film off to watching it interesting. Yeah. I mean I'm with you on the early Michael Cain I'd seen the Italian job and a teen Alfie but not a lot else a one of them are super available here in North America the way they are maybe over there. Yeah. You tend to find things like Italian job. The Alfie tends to get on daytime television here right just just because it's been around so long that just British staple films right now that's interesting though that we've got a little bit of a disagreement I think the first real time on the podcast I'm down. Yeah it's the first one. I've actually been a bit sour on. Just what chain right but before we get into sort of more in depth, look into my thoughts and your thoughts, can you give me any background on the film? Yes. So this movie was a special project by Harry Saltzman. Harry Saltzman is one of the producers of the bond franchise was him and Cubby Broccoli that launch Dr no in Harry. Saltzman saw this as the antibody franchise something he could create that would take away under the trappings of James Bond the glorified settings Over, the top action, the cartoonish characters and really strip it down to lean mean espionage tales, and so would he decided to get this going you recruited a lot of the people from the bond franchise he brought in editor Peter r hunt who edited Goldfinger thunderball a lot of the early bonds he also directed on Her Majesty's Secret Service he also production designer came Adam who did you only live twice in thunderball a lot of big big bond movies where they have these enormous sets The did the submarine lair in the spy who loved me they also brought over art director, Peter Merton who worked on thunderball and Goldfinger and would go on to work on the man with the Golden Gun, and of course, Jon Berry came on to do the music John Barry decided James Bond Utilized Guitar. So Harry Palmer I'm GONNA use the symbolism no Scott Dino with the symbolism is now for those that don't know hi, I'm a bit of a multi instrumentalist play a lot of instruments by have no idea what that is. Yeah I don't think the symbolism has held up to the Modern Day I. Don't think you're hearing Taylor swift play the symbol on her albums. Okay. It's basically. A boy, it's tough for me to explain but it's sort of like a box. I think it's really a trapezoid maybe but it's like a box with light strings inside of the box right and is it played like a like a hop? I think. So yeah, I don't think you could hold. You could not hold this box in your arms I, think you'd have to have it laying down and pulling the strings like that. So of more like a slide guitar but the plucked. I think. So yeah, that is a strange instruments. So this was that was the my instrument used for this then yeah, and so. This may have been a big deal in the sixties that type of instrument I don't think it's one that has. Really carried onto strongly maybe it's a little bit like the Thurman is the therapist isn't really used a lot nowadays but in the nineteen fifties, they used to let for sci fi movies also I'll have you know old my multi instruments I have different types of fair Minnesota like light. Scott has a PhD therapist. Dr Is I think you'll find. So, Harry Saltzman decided to recruit director Sidney J fury who was actually Canadian director. So we've got some British and Canadian, and this one is the Chris file the second greatest. British Canadian collaboration Scott. Wait what's the first why that would be the hearts podcast? Well I missed that one completely they're not. I don't blame you. I don't think anyone at home not bad either. They're like Oh. Okay. Oh, that right. Fury's interesting because he has a pretty extensive filmography but not a lot of note, I was going through all of his earlier films that try to find some sort of link maybe worked with Michael Cain or something. no, he seems to mostly be a you know workmanlike director who just worked a lot cranked out a lot of movies not a lot better remembered Some things he did do that had a bit of a legacy for better or worse. He did you a movie called the naked runner with Frank Sinatra, which is an espionage movie that I've added to our list. So maybe we'll cover that one day He also did Superman, for the quest for peace the old time. Great. Of course of course, he did the Rodney dangerfield movie lady bugs, which was very popular when I was a kid concept of that one. Okay. And he was also the mastermind behind the iron. Eagle Franchise. He wrote them all and directed Iron Eagle to end for. Details right the same chain I don't know. Any played it on therapy. Exactly, that's what I was leading to. My with no, I'm the delta. With Sidney? J Fury actually was only available to do. This would be because he turned down a hard day's night. Yeah. Hi. Choice putty that phillies great. Yeah so questionable, we jump into the next bit. You mentioned before this is this a cost of bindings bone staff. Where does this full in the bond chronology which ones have come out so far is obvious is meant to be the so anti bond in a ray while they answering just help Abraham because I myself to be sure. Yeah Okay. So they would put out Dr No, and from Russia with love. Goldfinger probably would have been done if not in theaters when they would have been rolling on this one. Okay. So to the stronger sean connery ones have already out in people's minds. So I can say, yes, this would make more sense now as an anti version of that right and this opened the same year as thunderball. So it was sort of a little bit not competition, but they had kind of the dueling Harry Sullivan productions that year understood. Yeah. And so the movie was based on a novel by Len Deighton There was written in nineteen, sixty two or at least published in nineteen, sixty, two, I should say and the writers of the movie were kind of guys who didn't do much of anything One of them is a writer W. H. Calloway who was actually a novelist. He only had like one other credit, which is a movie called a boy ten feet tall starring. Edward. G Robinson otherwise he. Just wrote novels which were basically historical adventures on the other writer was a guy named James Doran who wrote a lot of TV a lot but no other real movies. So by them so of a one time entry into the film World Yeah Basically, and for the actors considered for Harry Palmer Michael Caine was not number one Some of the others considered were Harry H Corbett Ian Bannon. Do you know who those people are Scott because I've never heard those names. I I'm probably letting the rest of the Ritz down on this one but now nowadays people he I feel like they were working actors at the time that just have not crossed over didn't really get big break. So I'm not familiar with either of them but the other two that were up for the role where Richard Harris and Christopher plummer Christopher plummer was the number one pick they wanted. Now that name I know Yeah Christopher plummer chose the sound of music instead another wise choice. Well, that wasn't wise choice waterfall was not. Michael. Cain ultimately got the role because of his work in Zulu but at this point Michael Cain wasn't a big name. This was the movie that actually launched him. That was going to be my question I waited this full in the chronology of Michael Caines work. So I write a Zulu. That makes sense. Yeah and Michael Caine at a quote about Harry Palmer he said James. Bond is Clark Kent. After he says, Chef Zam, he is superman real spies are Clark. Kent. All the time. So you get a sense of what they were going for with this movie. Now is is Michael Cain conflating too stupid harassed or is that actually what Superman used to do? I don't think Michael Caine is a big comic book reader because Yeah he's confusing superman with Suzanne a a captain Marvel Yeah Yeah. That's. That's what I had in my head. Yeah try. So. The production on the movie was a nightmare and Sidney j fury and Harry Saltzman clashed super bad like they was constant fights city Jay fury stormed off the set a couple times and ultimately he was banned from post production and from the CAN festival screening party and he claims Harry Saltzman stole his British Academy. Award. What? That's theft. You just get away with it. So accusing someone of that without proof. I love that fact that maybe laugh. So ours. Okay all right. This is where we saying up my feelings on the film already go you get a sense now why city Jay fury did not direct the sequels that was going to be a question I had was is he tied into the future ones obviously? No, no, he does. So this will be though was massively successful. It played the canned film festival in May of Nineteen Sixty five and was nominated for the palm door, which is the big prize for the festival didn't win but it was dominated. It went on to open theaters and had a budget of seven point, four, million US, and that's adjusted for inflation at the time it was like way less obviously and the box office It did adjusted seventy, two point four and that's domestic. That's not worldwide. That's domestic because as I said, when we did north by northwest, it's very hard to track down worldwide. Box Office numbers for movies and opened before the mid to late seventies because movies opened at such different times internationally versus domestic and someone didn't open for a couple of years and then there was a revival screenings all over the place. So the money just was always getting added, but it's tough to track down actual year for earlier movies. But that was the case seventy, two point four just domestic and they talk about how this movie was like a massive hit over in Britain. So I would guess that it did incredibly well there. It's certainly homeless pumped up. In the background of my life. I've seen it as a seen the cover up before the official but I, I'd never seen it myself but. I didn't realize it was. So popular might be on the to one. Yeah maybe Yeah. They said there was like lions to get into this movie for quite a while and. For when you look at the top three of that year, I've looked I've got the top three domestic, but I am almost positive that this is very representative of what the top three was worldwide from what I've been able to find. So the number one movie was the sound of music which was a Juggernaut. So Christopher, plummer walked out a winner for sure number two was doctor Zhivago another massive hit and number three was thunderball also a massive massive hit and this came in number four No. This was further down the list like if you're looking at the US, it's down at like twenty or something like that like the numbers get very hazy but. I think just it was huge over in Britain and maybe other sections of Europe. Reasonably successful over here like it was a hit for sure and there was no way the was getting sequels, but it wasn't like the biggest hit of the year anything domestically all over North America, like for example, the spy who came in from the cold with Richard Burton did better domestically than than the it was filed did over here so. It gets you a sense. It was definitely a hit. It was definitely popular, but it wasn't like a barn burner of a box office play. I mean my opinions aside seven million budget adjusted for inflation against making seven yards. In just domestic alone. Yeah. That's a tenfold return. That's that's pretty damn successful Oh area studios would love that these days. Like this movie. Really, I mean when you're looking at seventy two point, four prophet that's Great and the movie was actually honored a lot over in Britain at the nineteen sixty six BAFTA awards. It won best British Film Best Art Direction and Best Cinematography and was nominated for best actor and screenplay. The movie was also nominated for a directors guild of America nomination for best director for Sydney J fury, and it has since been listed as number fifty, nine on the BFI list of one hundred best British films of the Twentieth Century. See I'm starting to worry now, this is when the listeners thinks that I'm just not very good at to. Reviewing films because apparently everyone who actually means anything really like this film. Yeah apparently, you're not a member of the British Film Institute. Well I can't confirm that is true. You you're right in vote just kept going for Johnny English two. I it's so so many black international. Right and the response was these twentieth century films. Couldn't my head around? Okay. I feel pretty stupid. Now, that's breaking time to move on. Yeah. So that kind of wraps up the background on the at Chris File. A movie that like I don't I can't say it's had a huge footprint over at least on my side of the bond. But there's obviously a lot bear. This really was hugely influential in the sixties. Did you say your side of the bond? Oh, I did now. Hey. If it wasn't fluential in terms of you know fans the films in the sixties maybe I don't know. But as I say never really made its way into my viewing collection or unlike that. I can't say I was particularly where apart from just seeing here in their Right I'm but. I don't I made him down the rest of the United Kingdom by Bailey acknowledging it. Sorry guys. So. What was it about the movie that didn't grab you? I could I could spend a wealthy constructing Y I didn't like it but like the the general overview was. By. Going for like an anti bone which she wrote that down in my notes Nancy bone to film. It took the fun out of for me And I understand you. Know. Films are going to be. For the jokes even how some jokes in it and McCain is quite funny in the film I just found the story to be a slightly confusing story. and. I. Didn't really care about anyone. It is very chilly like it is a cold movie. Bond has a little more of that romanticism and more sense of just having fun whereas this was almost like we are not having fun people. It kind of reminds me of like. Say something like Downton Abbey for instance f there's no familiar is a popular British TV show about old times in England. That shows quite popular in North America a lot of people look at that show and sort of think. A humdrum. Why do we care about this? And may be British drying to it. The I liked maybe I prefer this bombast approach that the bond films take because I as a kid I was the American Media Angle so that style. Whereas, I wouldn't like break showers struggle with watching over the British stuff like old doctor who for instance, right? That's interesting because I was going to ask you. As a Brit. If you found the James Bond, franchise like does it feel British or does it feel like American filmmaking kind of putting up a paper Britishness, versus this will be which feels very British at least to me I'd say it's probably the latter vice to. The bond films feel like they had that I. Use the web bombastic I guess I'll stick to that would but. There's a lot going on this jokes and as action those things whereas the the biggest action scene in film a shot through ox I love that action sequence. Thank you I. Understand why this one in the world visit him talk get white won an award for Art Direction I. Maybe I just start live film. I just thought like, why can't I say faces that they not even like each other just pushed him down the stairs. Leading audio fights. Well. I've seen real fights outside the Royal Abajo and they were more action than that. You and I can restage that fight when I come to visit it some poid I'll push it down the stairs anytime. We should just do a photo of US pushing each other down the stairs. The security but like other just eh during the. Night I would love it if security actually said that. This woke up. Yeah. Yeah So for my part, it's really interesting that a lot of what you pulled you out of the movie it was what I really loved about it, which was just how cold and remote. This thing was I really liked how it was this enigmatic look at this spy world doing very James. Bondy things, but in a way that was so stripped down and like Chile I love you know there's a moment early in the movie where Harry Palmer goes in and they're giving him a new gun and like this scene plays out. Very similar to a scene in Dr no where on getting his Walter vk but it goes in and there's a moment where he walks over he like flips a switch and you're expected gadget and it's nothing happens walks over just like a inventor tech guy basically just a drill a very standard drill. It gives them like a Colt Gun. He's like You know they use this in here. Yeah. Yeah. No problem like it's very unflashy and I felt that that kind of worked for the movie where it was the spies who work in the shadows and had this. A British of punchline where he is. Out Prefer, the will ever gun. It was an in the the boss who was at the time dolby the room. Yet leave Sophea guys Harry August. I'm using this. As Okay The humor is very understated very understated A. I mean you look at say James Bond and he's very well spoken well, kept a needle Harry Palm trees go the cockney accent Marco Cain lungs to use in basically all of his films. which I like China imitate whenever I can. So this will be coming back than worry sure But yeah, maybe that just didn't didn't help tomat- well maybe that's a way to dive into this conversation. A little further is just the comparisons between James Bond and Harry Palmer I mean even the names are very different one is very Like working class kind of name versus James Bond has a real flash and flair to it. It reminds me of you'll canadian-born identity name. Oh was it like Paul something Paul I can't remember the last thing but it was something very boring Paul K coal k. that's it. So Harry Farmer is the British Coal K Yeah, he kind of is. Yeah. But he doesn't have. A. Has the civil suit. See where some time stop. It hasn't got the talks are in Mike that no flashy gadgets. Gets the girl he does have the womanizing thing going as well like that is consistent between human bond but that's about it. I mean Harry Palmer I kind of laughed about the opening credits movie you look at the bond opening credits. It's these big to borrow your word bombastic openings with music in amazing visuals in they're very like sexy and exotic in strange whereas this opens with like Harry Palmer Mickey? Breakfast It's just grinding coffee and reading in the newspaper as the music slowly place nothing else is going on and then if they could lead the opening of dot to know and he's he's playing back her and James. Bond. Yeah completely different opening. And you have scenes were Harry. Plumbers Grocery shopping multiple scenes. I mean I do all of my spy meetings in Safeway shops, which is an old British chain now defunct, but it was nice to see that. But I never realized that I desperately wanted to see a scene where a spivey to this Boston a grocery store and complain about mushrooms and an aggressive caught hitting. Aggressive Card hitting complaints about this American way of Grocery shopping. It's trying to be serious and then the lady because officer. Excuse me. Pardon me. And I love when the boss like grabs a kegs as be free to a beef reto. Way Bit where Ross scraps a little canister in Palmer says that case and then just puts it back down again. It's a choice. I. Guess. I took multiple notes about that. See. That's how much I love that seem. I do wish a summit this film remind because this is very old school British People round like these people anymore in the way they toll on the way to act with each other. But I wish people say good day or good morning at the end of sentences. Okay. Right it doesn't happen anymore I just I think like Oh. That's a nice way to finish the sentence. Punctuation like I'm done with it could day. I'd be down for that. I did love just how much grounded. Harry Palmer in a recognizable reality like you don't see James Bond occupying the types of places that Harry Palmer does everything he does is very generic. You know he goes to a library to encounter the villain He's just walking the streets lot. He's not dressed particularly flashy. He's definitely not that charismatic of presence he's just kind of boring dude doing legwork as he says, yeah, and I one thing I'll give tip my hat to the film is geographically it's mostly correct. I'm really the Science Museum is around the corner from the Royal Albert Hole. So he could well have followed him out and walked up to the old fullest. The puck is next to as well where they do the meeting late. For the band I believe it might be the other one which is by the way talk what people that two parks in this film. There is a high park with seventeen I think and is also a Kennington in. been to buy from them. So I know you're keeping this. Once down when I over there, we have to do hip Chris File, tour. I know all of those been very well, I can take you on a very quick tool is that basically on top of each other? So did the character of Harry Palmer grab you at all like watching this character following him for two hours. I'm GONNA be honest. No particularly I think that may have been by the ultimate failure was for me which I wouldn't say it's a failure of the film as a failure of me to appreciate it. But I. I know many many Cockney paypal like that. Dry Sense of humor I don't know any spies far away but then maybe that makes them good. Spies may bad night lords, right but I just didn't find particularly interesting because I. Is Not, a new thing to me I know tons of people like that I mean, in your defense I have read several reviews after I've watched the movie I went and looked up some of the criticism. and. There are a lot of modern critics that aren't as responsive to this movie because of how Threadbare the characters are there's not a lot bear and a lot of them don't seem to be particularly. Enjoyable characters to spend a Lotta time with for me I was more drawn in just by how kind of cool the atmosphere was and how detached they were. I actually found how detached were to be really entertaining. Yeah. It was I mean we spoke about it I think it was in a couple of a guy with men in black out mean you very much a work to live people. Harry Palmer is a work to live. Kinda guy. Yeah. This is not the jet-setting guy who's giving up his entire life for the cause I mean basically recruited because he was facing potential prison time. So it's not really the guy who's there because he necessarily loves it but you know you look at James Bond's apartment which we've seen a couple of times. Now it's not particularly well decorated at all. In fact, it's fairly sparse Harry Palmer's places much more homey like you can tell it's a guy who takes pride in where he lives and has the time to decorate and cook. He loves cooking. This man loves cooking he buys the French. French transi mushrooms now, I know we've seen. Bond. Cook only once is jumping to mind I'm remembering view to a kill. He makes quiche for tenure Roberts's character but I, don't think he cooks time that I can recall, I? Mean it seems like a that's one of those anti bond. Moves is to make him a cook. Because it shows that he actually has a passion that's not to do with spike off. Right. He's a hobby. Yeah. He definitely does and you seem to be very good at it and he cooks to Mozart which I thought was pretty entertaining and he says it I'm going to cook you the best meal of your life and then the next thing it's the best meal I've ever had. Okay. I will say that love interest is just dead weight like there is nothing coming out of that character it could've have been anyone. Yeah. He's all right to sue Lloyd played the character of Courtney Courtney. widdly pronounce nine but Yeah nothing that yeah I mean that's a character introduced just to have some sex appeal and the relationship between the two of them of give it a little bit of a spark of Romance. But, I, mean, this is real perfunctory stuff. You can talk about maybe how problematic some of the bond girls are in the sixties era especially but they're given a lot more to do on screen that what she gets to do. I will give a not my she. I want to give her credit I suppose, but she is Paul of the scene of one of my favorite shots of the film. I made a note of a when he's entering his apartment and he looked through the I. think it's Quixote look and sees the gun barrel. And then they opened through. The key hole and the barrel gun it goes back she just looking at the gun, right? Yeah. There's some amazing camera shots in this movie I was actually really blown away by the direction of it city Jay fury picks a lot of very strange camera angles a lot of looking down on characters from I like heights also looking up at them a lot from low angles. You're basically looking up their nose he does that a lot you referenced the fight earlier by Roy was Robert. Hall. On the steps and he frames things in very weird ways. He's also really big on expansive spaces. There's a lot of scenes where characters in warehouses or factories, and he shoots like the entire factory in the actor is like basically just like a small little fragment of the frame. He also does this thing I probably a cinematography name for it but where the the scenes like one key to one side law oh, like Dutch angles. Yeah Right. Okay. Yeah. That that seems to be half of the shots were done that way. That was a big thing in the sixties They used it a lot on the Adam West Batman show in scenes with the villains because I want to show the villains were crooked. Literally why they used it is that is on the nose. Yeah. That was why they use that. They started to be a fun visual language approach to the villains but you've seen it it does pop up here and they're actually Kenneth Brana use that technique quite a bit in his door movie in the first. Movie I have to say I. Think I've seen that film once in cinema? It didn't stick with that. Unfortunately, I enjoyed the first store I. think it's maybe. It's I'm not going to the best of the three, but it's the one I've revisited. The most is in the introduction movies for mobile deeming would you mean in the interaction like is as the first films I thought you meant like captain, America First, Avenger or? The introduction films, Ironman ozone although although you know what out of those introduction films I watched sore the most of those two. So make of that what you will. My sister I've talked with with the sole thing, but I would have thought your mice thought would have been the last one. I enjoyed it. But I wasn't is blown away by it is a lot of other people. I thought it was fine. More of a dock wild kind of. Now. It's better than dark world dark worlds the among the worst of the marvel movies for sure. It's up there. But With Harry, pomme then he's obviously our lead of the film. I'm not saying I didn't like him a tool. It wasn't completely cold to him I I appreciate his sock capstick view on things because I tend to do the same especially in moments of pressure or intense emotion or anything like that. I will result talk as maybe that's just the British knee jerk reaction right I. Appreciate that that especially when he's dating with the major dolby or Ross that slightly. He's trying to slide the bulbs on the radar. What did you think of those bosses those characters? I've met people similar to both I would say. Although I didn't really understand Colonel Ross until right toward the end of the film and didn't know what he was going full understood major dull the until the twist. Of a known since, get the job done. So a boss. I loved Major Dolby. I. Was almost heartbroken when he turned out to be the villain because I love that character and I was like please God let this be his boss in the next two movies. I literally right down to courts of his is like, okay. Yeah. That makes sense I heard that before. Well I, I haven't heard the first one, but I'll bite you pomme I'll bite you so odd I've never had a boss. Tell me they're gonNA bite me before. And then what was the other one out just at the end of a rousing speech night and the rousing speech but like a mating stop Get on with it. I love to there's a factory that Harry calls I don't remember the code is like a two to one or something where they go and break through the doors because they think that this missing scientists are looking for named Radcliffe is potentially at that factory and basically they all come storming in. There's no one there and Harry Palmer says to a to adobe says. I would have been hero if he was here and they'll be says he wasn't an you're not. Just a matter of fact nope? But then he follows it up when saying come on I'm going to buy you allege. Character. The one bit of joy shows in the film is when he's listening to the the red line music and then the the motor afterwards. that. He's a completely joyless character I would say. But I loved him. He was so joyless that I found fascinating. I won't my Dobie spinoff. Have Prequel one day. I will take it. But you are right like Ross I didn't have a good grasp on at all and I think that's intentional. They want you to question whether that characters evil. The whole time at least once suspicions are raised. He's he's fine like Guy dolman plays that character Nigel Green Place Major Dolly. MVP Nigel Green but Yeah Guy Doleman played that character of Ross is just very matter of fact, a little bit of a temper but he's not a particularly fun character. I found dolby fun whereas Ross is just matter of fact. and. I'm just curious now if Ross is a continuing threat in the sequels. I have a feeling. He'll be sort of Boston those out in the mission. So the M of the operation. You don't think they'll do mission impossible into swap out bosses every movie. I mean. They spent a Lotta time building up. I I mean to be fed adult films have done that, and then just character in the sequel but I I would think they were brought back I I I would assume guide Ullmann's somewhat of a known time right I would guess also these movies were shot pretty much back to back like one per year for three years. So my guess is a lot of the cast locations will just carry over, but you're right though I probably would like to see more of major Dhabi rule, the two of them. They say it was more interesting and kind of funny in a standing back and watching them do it. So why were you heartbroken when he was exposes trader as a and and so now I'm looking at it I am Mohawk Burke about it I re sale much at the time I have to. Weep with me Scott we with me. Listen to me listen to me. What did you think of the villain of this movie Blue Jay played by Frank Gatling. In reference to Blue Jay I think. He's also known as he's actually grants. Bait. I. Just write down not of a villain. But was that intentional because when you look at the bond movies that have come out at that point, you've got red grant you've got Dr No, you've got gold finger. You've got Rosa Lab doesn't this character feel like the anti bond villain of just so boring. But who wants that I? Want. Boring. Boring. Even reminds me of stay bad guy from no-final Wes, right? Yes. Could say operating. Yeah I could definitely see that I mean he's definitely the type of villain though you could just see at the grocery store for example or just walking along the street sitting in a library I kind of like this very low key approach to evil spies. If, you just compared to some some the bond villains and you just think they got. Mugged on the street, they would pull out a gun and kill the guy mocking them. I could I could see blue Jay grumpy I should say just getting beaten up is water taken into kind of shuffling with his head hung. Right. Let's have a sad sack to me. That's why he had that. House Morton, character who was kind of his thug who I was surprised was dispatched very quickly. Yeah. Another way of saying ee think has fight seeing outside the whole which seems to be our favorites he came back to this is the thing I probably hate at the medicine this film. Even your loved it is dead police sell ten minutes later. Yeah. I mean. I. Think. They're just subverting a lot of what you expect from I'm sure that bond movies had trained people to expect from these types of movies. It seemed like they were going out of their way to always not give you that which I kind found very impressive. See I understand subverting expectation and sometimes that works. Now you look at like the loss Jedi I think that did a lot of surveying expectation ready well. I just this one survived in a way to just make it boring. They took all the fun stuff out with spy movies for me. Right. I. Mean. That's definitely true. You're wrong. I. This is this is the ultimate the point I, write lychee right the end I wrote down the HIP diseases file. Wow Who I'm letting down a nation right now I think i. felt sorry for actually I I stick to my guns this film board me I'm so sorry. Flags are going to be flying at half-mast in Britain tomorrow. I'M GONNA wake up and they like graffitied my house and for an Exa, and everything has to be harassed the streets is going to be horrible. What think again, differentiating this from the bond movies I thought was interesting was when Harry Palmer is captured in this movie and we should say a lot of the plot is very mysterious although I actually found it easier to and some of the bond plots but a bunch of scientists have been going missing and Radcliffe is the one who's going to sing at the start of the movie he's recovered but he's Not all there. Ultimately, Harry Palmer is key damped by the villains and we get a sense of what their scheme is, which is brainwashing and I bought this brainwashing stuff was amazing. What did you think of Harry's a imprisonment but also be the brainwashing the imprisonment they I quite enjoyed because it was actually a deposit from house arrest of the film was going it felt that there was actually something going on. Alves Eve he's been tortured in such a way mocking today's down. He's keeping himself awake and the reveal afterwards. Also I it is something I quite enjoyed. I didn't see it coming I thought he was now and so genuine surprise that he was in bicycling Knightsbridge Y- that actually surprised me as well because I also thought he was in Albania I was curious. I have one question maybe you picked up on it, I couldn't quite get it. So the way they're torture and MS, they're keeping him freezing, sell their waking up a lot but there's a thing with them starving him where they sent him bread. That's like sitting in water or something, and he never touches it. What was going on there I couldn't quite get it. I did watch this film a second time. So maybe that's why I'm so bitter about it provides. I from what I could make out because I did make a point is trying to look at that. Again I think they fried the bread in hot oil. So. When you try and grab a, it's very hot bread. You might just about get the bread, but you wouldn't get the flight or and that. That makes a Lotta sense because I was thinking it was water and I was thinking boiling water but then I was like this doesn't really make sense to me I don't get what's going on. It would just make the bread wet it wouldn't. It wouldn't cook it. It was just water whereas oil you actually get a toasty so bright, right? Okay. Took from anyway. Okay. That actually answered my question but I thought this whole sequence is really strong of him. Basically trying to keep his sanity carving the days into the wall I mean, Harry. Palmer's imprisoned for minimum twelve days in this movie that would never happen to bond. You know you look at Dr Know where he's locked in his cell during that movie when he's now he's out of that cell in about thirty seconds and up in the vents I mean he does have sort of the bond escape beats up the goons and makes it makes away. But yeah, I takes twelve days of him being brainwashed having a hurt himself bleeding, solving, growing a bed out like he looks bad. And held and Hell unflashy is his escape. It's the on flashiest is is how we would escape I. Imagine maybe actually overpowering to people he likes slowly walks across the courtyard it just like should be over a fence. Yeah, I meant to ask you I mentioned over follow up to your question before you mentioned about the brainwashing itself which you quite enjoyed. Yeah. No saying you want to be brainwashed but. Did you get. So of a clockwork orange vibe from that one I think I've mentioned Gagarin's again. Might be too upset in a row now. That whole stimulus overload thing going on with this predates clockwork orange but I. I would say there is a very strong aspect of sixties PSYCHEDELIA and we haven't touched on that much actually so far in our journey on this podcast, we will be getting into it a lot. In some movies coming up in the future both good and bad. But this was a very real thing in the sixties and it's the one moment I felt like this movies very chilly and icy throat. But then you hit this sequence and slowly that sixties vibrancy and Psychedelia and colors, and we're visuals really come to the forefront and I enjoyed how they kind of held back on that for so long this whole swinging London sixties. PSYCHEDELIA vibe and then they hit you with it in brainwashing sequence I thought that was really effective. They are making a point to actually yeah, you're right. Not Pay attention. All this stuff was happening in London that time. 'cause it's quite colorful city at that point not in this movie no, it's just blew. and. SORTA like that Dingy Grey it looks very matter of fact. Yeah. It looks it looks lifting and real which I think is. What they were going for it. Yeah. Totally and I mean I thought the brainwashing sequences were super effective I thought they were just really memorable and it's not like he overpowers he's amazing. Psyche is just using a physical thing. He's been taught to overcome that sort of stimuli which is hunting so Yeah and that's something he goes to a few times, which is poking himself with a nail or there's a moment at the end where. Ross and Dhabi Bo show up. He doesn't quite know which one's the bad guy yet but Dhabi reveals himself to be the bad guy and we get this like over the shoulder shot of airy Palmer's gun going back and forth between the two guys as Palmer's ordering him to kill Ross using the hypnotic techniques that will basically mess with areas mind and his. Way of breaking that is to punch like some sharp metal to cut himself so that he's able to gun down dolby and I thought that was really effective as well. I actually didn't pick up on it. The first time I watched film I couldn't figure out how he understood. It was still be apart from the fact that will be set. This'll trigger phrase. I didn't really see that quick slicing his hand on the camera whatever it was. Yeah. I on the second watching it again is a nice through line nick at nite going it is and I'm very curious like what did you think about the brainwashing being kind of the core of this movie for the villain plot like did it seem goofy to you? Not really because it wasn't like they were brainwashing people to. Think of like zoo Landa. Right. Now over the talk brainwashing sequence to try and get him to fascinate some dignitaries on that right if I remember correctly, which I shouldn't be because brainwashing is a thing we're going to be tackling quite a bit I think on this podcast Manchurian candidate that'll be an element of that. Also as you know on Her Majesty's Secret Service has a whole brainwashing hypnosis element to it as well. It's something that was very Much in the air I guess in nineteen sixties there's probably a reason for that which I'm sure we do some research and find out why it was in the Zeitgeist. The time I'm wondering if the Russians were experimenting with brainwashing at the time, I'll do a little research for when we do Manchurian candidate we'll get back to you guys. Yeah. That'll be a little down the road, but I'll be curious how you Enjoy that film in comparison say to this one, which is similar themes done very differently. I I tend to make this film. I think the brainwashing bit fine because it's subtle. Brainwashing could actually theoretically do. Right, to make you forget you pause store slide suggestions and things like that. Which is why gain to before and so I think that was really well. The question I thought like for a movie that keeps you a little bit on tenterhooks throughout waiting to find out what sort of the villain plot is because the village was hanging around library he's he's not the most Showy of villains bone. You actually get the payoff as to what the plot is found it interesting and the payoff strong enough that I could completely justified they'll build up for it. Yeah. I. Now would say I'm not a big fan of be as a villain I. think he was just so of that too. So carry free but Dobie, when you break it down, I think is much better than. I agree and I mean what? What even happens to grant He gets away. I think. So which is kind of weird as well. It's again very. Not, a bond thing that would happen of the villain just the villains not even mentioned. He just kind of disappears and you don't hear mentioned everyone you. You would probably get a state of bond turning up to date on what he's eighteen taking him out on that like a follow up scene at the end of the film right? Or Blonde would be on a train with the sue Lloyd Character Courtney and grumpy would show up dressed as a maitre d'. Exactly. Yes. Now. I I know we mentioned briefly about. Courtney's character counts I should say by it anointed, there is a distinct lack of female representation, and so you know when we started this podcast that was something became very aware of because I put together a master list has some behind the scenes for people listening I have a master list of spy films for us to go to, and that was something I began to realize was that a lot of these movies are very dude centric The bond movies obviously have their female leads in there, but a lotta spy movies are kind of like the the of men if you will. I have no problem with films trying to be somewhat factual to the era they were set in. and. If you I imagine most people operating spies at this time, it was mostly a Mayo. Mayo area of what I would say. But there's lots of other things that women. Doing in this film. But instead you get a blind love interest and in the only the woman characters firemen but is the Nagy Receptionist Lady? Sir Yeah I mean there are other women that just kind of pop in, but they're mostly just there. So Harry Palmer can stare really creepy at them Oh yes. I. Think it means working for the car donations on. I. Have a good evening to awesome. Yeah. He has a very weird approach in that like bond has his little quips or his humor whereas Harry, Palmer just stares women down. It's very weird. Yeah Out that of gripes about the film I definitely mentioned it I. Know It was a trading to Harry Palmer second but as a sprung to my mind, he has the same backstory Napoleon. Soda. Yet very similar. Isn't it? Was Mad from uncle. Break production was in America production. It was American but we also don't know. The backstory for Napoleon Solo that was given in the movie. We don't know if that applies to the show I. Don't know that it does that's true. We didn't want that far into. Yeah. Getting back to the moments that sort of burt bond tropes I really enjoyed the introduction of the CIA agent who's the Felix Leiter character if you will, who is this dude of glasses that just kinda shows up? In the background scene or two and then dives like there's no relationship there Harry Palmer has no idea who this guy is. He's one of those characters I lost track of him on first viewing and I had to find out what happened to annualized. Harry Potter shut him in that car bog. Did he or was that actually daulby? Now now you. Wait wasn't Harry Palmer well, I don't know because Harry Palmer being framed. So I'm always I was a little unclear on that act the fact that it seems like a Terry Palmer that kills him, but it wouldn't shock me if Dobie was the one that shot him. I don't really know I mean I might of Fallen Asleep twice. Missed it. I may be wrong. So maybe I need a second watch as well but you. A thing I did when I mentioned just another gripe with the film. Which is the other American agent. Johnny, which is play by Thomas Baptiste. The only major city as wearing says, any words? Basically, Harry Palmer is in the auditorium with adult directly. On a bunch of scientists and this agent. Now Harry Palmer is scanning the room I guess for some reason. To make sure the address goes well, something else to record has a breakdown now Harry Palm Spots Bonnie in the crowd. He's anyone smoking pipe. But he also happens to be the only black person in the crowd. Is that why Harry Palmer looked at him is this were moving now I might say there's maybe some more subtext or something there but this being a nineteen, sixty, five film. I think we have to assume the uncomfortable. Yeah. This is I noticed in my second watch fruit I. Didn't really pay attention that much in the first one to things like this but I just made me feel really uncomfortable. He it's not like he also does the way thing if y y one else runs, the doctor that's been. taught him noticing him? It would have been fine. There wouldn't have been an issue. It's all right. But the ANEURYSM, he notices Bonnie MD crowd. Because he's black. that. Seemed to be the case to me as well. I think we have to accept that the Chris file not very good towards women or minorities evidently. Yeah. One of the things though I'll bring up my last point that I really enjoyed about this movie was. that. How to rap the headquarters are you know when you look at the bond movies the secret service offices with Moneypenny as the secretary and the padded door and then M's office it's all very luxurious I. Loved How drab an ugly all the locations were for the offices. You know they have one of them set up at the Dobie Domestic Employment Bureau which is the most like ramshackle, almost depressing building with the secretary that just kinda looks almost like a chain smoker and just kind of. Totally, not a Monte Penny friendly type. And this just extends across all the scenarios that are professional movie. I loved when he goes to his surveillance job start and it's Just, it's Flop House with like girls, pinned to the walls and super ugly looking I liked him all the workspaces in this movie looked hideous. Yeah. It has a sense of nitty gritty realism. I think this film has stuck to all the way from. To. The story itself I think that that is a strength, the film that it does keep it. I didn't really enjoy it but at least it sticks to its guns earn enough. I guess I have one question for you though. Because we've got two more Harry, Palmer films to go from this point of just having watched the Chris file. What do you hope to see in the future movies that maybe you didn't get in this one? Safari key question maybe the anything that would draw me in a bit more because I don't think, Nick. Guys thought leaning into the camp side of spy films. I. Didn't think that stuff's going to make its way. I go. Try steak around in realism just may be more of an enticing story. Right which I think is fair enough. This is definitely a very kind of aloof almost uninvolved story, but almost intentionally. So yeah, it just feels like you're reading a factual dossier on an actual thing that happened. Right or look you're watching it rain accident of a actually happened, right? That's. A couple of things I wanted to just mention I wanNA give major props to major dolby as a man who also has a curly mustache. Yeah. His mustache game is on point and for those wondering harm I have a full on a lockdown at the moment but my mustaches twirling at the end. So kudos to Dolby is were in were in sync with mustaches I entirely in favor of major being our mascot going forward. He's everything I want to be as a leader apart from evil. He's everything I want to be as a man. He saying you couldn't grow eight if you drive. No, I couldn't no. Not a chance I would like to see with facial hair. I have ever seen you. It's like anything other than double. Yeah. It's not pretty Okay EMC my bid. I had a question for you. would. You say that you spent enough time in the film with the brainwashing means to get an idea why suicide to be brainwashed? I would say, so yes, I think it did a really good job. Playing out these imprisonment sequences and then also you know the horrors of being in this box with all these images and sounds around you I think did a really good job. You feel uncomfortable because I think a lot of movies when they have hypnosis. They make it kind of fun and colorful whereas this had this really shrill tone on the soundtrack that was unpleasant to listen to. You could understand sort of the torment that Harry was going through in that moment. So I'm doing a little science experiment them uh-huh hi. This is for everyone listening I'm. All right. Listen to me. Listen to me. eurogin subscribe to this podcast and give it a five star rating on every single app you can find until your friends to listen. Thanks. Anyway moving on. Good plug good plug yeah. To. Try You know I am curious though if the villain and this is Blue Jay and all the other villains are named after birds what is your bird name? Well, there you haven't. What about yourself blue footed booby. Why did we both go with like booby drugs. I don't know. How Telling this is telling I just went with the funniest bird name I could come up with off the top of my head and that was where I wait I didn't even make the connection. We have memory glands on the brain apparently. Okay. Well, I guess Scott that does raise a fascinating question. This week of does the Chris file make the NOC list I was afraid of this question. I don't want to answer this question I'm going to leave the cost. Okay, my aunt Joan's. Did, I enjoy the film? Not. Will I watch it again? Nut. Is it a good spy film? The highlights of particular area of the spy genre. Maybe. And that's my dilemma coming away from it. I I don't necessarily have to enjoy these films to think they are. A good spice own. Right trying to be so constructive with my criticism in a sense I'm. I didn't like. That's fine. But it doesn't mean the isn't a good example of this version of spike, which is so ultra grounded. Like Craig era of bond without some of the bond trappings. Before I give my full ons I been behavior. This is a tough one because like so far in the lead up to this movie, all the episodes we've done our movies I know if not. Super well, at least know them fairly well or have a real sense of their legacy whereas I stand a little bit of disadvantaged with this one in that. I very aware that the Harry Palmer movies are very important obviously, lunch Michael Cain these movies have I think more of a footprint internationally than they do where I live in North America North America these movies. pretty obscure. Really you can't even really find affordable copies to buy on Amazon, for example, they're not streaming on itunes. They're not really that available, and so it's hard for me to say easy in because of the legacy of this franchise. I'm very I get just by being a North American a little I have less of a grasp on what the legacy is. I will say though as a spy film I did find it engrossing I. found it a really interesting alternate on kind of pulse spy hero, very different the James Bond Interested to see how this franchise evolves I enjoyed the hell out of watching it. So in terms of being like a an engrossing spy film that I really found entertaining and fairly iconic and moments and just had a lot of imagination going forward a very offbeat approach to the spy formula. I would say, yes but I can also like I think there's wiggle room on this one wiggle room in what sense there's some wiggle room on whether it makes it in like when we did north by northwest I felt very, very strongly that north by northwest really belonged on that list whereas this one having only seen at once also being a little bit removed from the impact is movies. Had I'm a little more up in the air as to whether it's a definitive. This belongs in the Canon versus this is a really fun movie I enjoyed that I think was really great people should check out but is it an all time spy movie? That's where I stand a little bit. I guess a little bit of a question mark over me I, suppose it's the sense of. I know there's two more of these films attitudes to TV movies I did as well. Yeah. A part of me is almost interested. So say the next one's improve on bits I have problems with so that it makes a more of a easier. Yes for me. That's why I'm debating with but then by saying no for instance, run the gambit of the follow ups being just was films look at the men in black franchise. Sure. Yeah. I mean my answer would be yes for this one. but it's not like an emphatic. Yes. If I go with yes. This is the second time that we initially disagreed in you so of taking me to your. Right I'm not. As I said in the beginning list I didn't like the film personally it's not something I'd want to revisit but I'm aware that this is A. A bit of a touchstone in the spy genre right for a lot of people and I'm not to that fact just mind those suited might secular tights it I liked men in black right and you didn't as a kid you didn't like it. So we obviously have different tastes, right? I think I'm GonNa go with yes but it is a very, very loose. Yes. Yeah. It is a little bit of a tough call because I feel like we're both fairly removed in. This movie. What the impacts it's had haven't aged as well. Like is that a question that we meet that we maybe need to grapple with a little bit too is that obviously some of these movies we're going to take on have aged incredibly well, and others maybe haven't has this will be not aged as well as say, those early bonds north by northwest which are shot around same time. I think this film is very grounded in the set. Yes. Does for like nineteen, sixty five whereas you could apply of the bond films. Now you could more let's get by. Of the SCI fi elements and stuff like that. Yeah. There's some you know racial things or gender things that are a little uncomfortable with some of the old bonds but the stories translate quite well still ultimately I don't feel safe in rolling the dice on the follow up films right? So I'M GONNA. Give this a yes. With a massive asterix next to it. Okay. Fair enough. I can't take it back I realized by saying, yes, it's on the list. It's cannon. But I think more people will probably enjoy this film than me being one who didn't like it and judging by. A boards one? I think I'm probably on the bad side of history. Right. So I mean I think it's a little bit conflicted for both of us for different reasons. One for you it's because you just didn't enjoy kind of the experience of watching this movie whereas for me, it's being somewhat removed from the legacy of what this movie is like I understand one hundred percent y north by northwest is important within the the world of cinema whereas the Chris file I feel a little more removed from and so that's where I think I struggle because because some of them I'm not necessarily like a massive lover, all those of movies we're going to do in the future what I understand historically why important and belong on the cannon and people should really watch them whereas this one I feel like I enjoyed the hell out of watching what I also don't know that it's vital that everyone check it out I don't really know and you said a couple of episodes. In this wrong in my head, the Nautilus is the additional same. Yeah is separate from my opinion on the film. Right on, that's how I'm trying to come at it. So that's why I'm giving it the. Yes. But I wouldn't recommend able to go watch this as Sunday afternoon film I didn't find enjoyable. You may recommend some of your friends to what you have, but I do it but if someone comes to me and says Scott Give me. Ten great spy films currently, we have four on the list I have to give him next conflicted yeses still yes ultimately. So yeah. Will put the file in the NOC list and hopefully we're not proven foolish when we watch the sequels. Yeah hopefully, it wasn't too much of a gamble. But got. So just to clarify yesen. Yes. Yup. Sorry. They have it. The Chris file is officially on the NOC list with that revelation the dossier on the Chris file is complete un-filed as classified, and if you want to track the NOC list jump over to letterbox dot com slash spy hearts, we will have basically a visual representation of what the NOCHOLAS is. You can check it out there as well as listings of the movies that didn't make the NOCHOLAS and just all the movies we've done. So head over there and you can engage with us and argue back and forth about whether something did or didn't belong on the knuckle list had it will be augury with me about this week's episode we'll see. Camp what we tackling next week we are GONNA have a real change of pace I guess if going from Hannah to the Chris, vile wasn't a change of pace. This one is a real head spinner. We are going to take on the Nineteen Eighty-four family espionage film Cloak and Dagger starring Henry Thomas and Dabney. Coleman I think a lot of. People sort of in my generation, you know born around one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, have some familiarity with this movie. So I think this'll be a fun to revisit it and I haven't seen it since I was like a really young kid. So this is GonNa be a fun experience I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of those films I saw. In. The background never really need to film title or something to his own at one point. But I from looking at stills seem to recall it. 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Jaws: The Revenge (1987) | Joseph Sargent

Around the World in 80s Movies

28:14 min | 1 year ago

Jaws: The Revenge (1987) | Joseph Sargent

"The. I welcome to around the world in eighties movies. My name is Vince Leo I am the author of the film. Review website. Quip Stir Dot net I, you to check out over four thousand of my written reviews read anytime quips. Dot Net is where to go Q. W. I s. t. e. r. dot net why they're doing. Courage you to check out my other podcast. PODCAST, it covers more recent movies. You can find the link to that at my website. It's called the quit stor Phil Review podcast. Good equipped, stir dot net and check it out. If you'd like this show, I hope you'll enjoy that show as well today. I'm going to be getting into the final part of this four part series looking at the jaws films two of. Of them from the nineteen seventy s two of them from the nineteen eighties, and this will be the second of the two from the eighties, jaws the revenge from nineteen eighty seven. It's a PG. Thirteen raided film, the first of the jaws films to be PG thirteen, even though they all should qualify, it just happens to be the only one of his made after PG. PG Thirteen was instituted. It does have violence, sexuality and language run. Time is one hour and thirty minutes making it the shortest of all of the jaws films. Lorraine Gary is the main star Lance Guest Mario Van peebles Michael Cain Karen Young Judith Barsky, and Lytton Whitfield are in the film. The director this time out is Joseph. Sargent and screenplay credited to Michael De Guzman. Now if you listen to my episode on Jaws Three, D, You know that that film began as a national, Lampoon project. They were trying to make that third jaws film. This tongue in cheek comedy named Jaws Three people zero well. The idea came around again here for a humorous effort for their fourth entry this time this would not be related to the National Lampoon effort or the prior jaws entries at all. It would have a killer shark as the antagonists, but it was meant to be a comedy universals motion picture chaired Frank Price. He developed this jaws comedy. It would be surrounding these. These surf punk culture in Malibu. Steve digiorno was drafting script for that, but in Nineteen eighty-six universal pictures experienced a very bad run of films without a single movie among the top money earners of the year, their highest grossing films for that year were out of Africa and Legal Eagles, but those were both so expensive to produce that they were not really profitable and other high budget comedies that they made that year Howard the Duck Brighton Beach Memoirs and Brazil they were major busts at the box office, so MCA, President Sid Sheinberg. He knew that universal needed a hit in a hurry. But. It wouldn't be by throwing away their most lucrative franchise by making a pricey comedy unrelated to the first. Film on top of this Sheinberg did not care for Jarnet script because it didn't have part for his wife Lorraine Gary who had not been working in many years after appearing in the first two jaws films after seeing Twentieth Century Fox score big with their scifi horror. Horror Blockbuster called aliens. Sheinberg felt that his wife's character Ellen Brody could be the next. Ellen Ripley pitting her against this table, killing machine of her own in the next jaws film if they did jaws right if they brought terror with the same kind of emotional underpinning for the heroin, this could be the cash bonanza that they needed, and it might make Lorraine Gary Assad. Assad after actress again. Something Sheinberg definitely wanted to do so universal. They rushed to put the film into production. They wanted it for a summer release. Just like the other jaws films they scheduled about nine months from the idea to its release, instead of the typical two years that are normally allotted to major film releases Sheinberg was personally taking hold of this new jobs film He. He cut through many of the hurdles that tended to slow down a movie schedule including putting together the shark builders and the visual effects crew before a script was even in development or director attached at a substantial pre-production cost. He read all the revisions and attended the planning meetings to make sure everything was on course to hit their deadline throughout the production when Sheinberg I. I told his wife Lorraine Gary about his plans. She thought her husband must be joking. Gary had not worked as an actress since Steven Spielberg's nine, hundred, forty, one back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine. In fact, she had stopped trying at all once. The phone no longer rang for parts for her play. You would think that with her husband running one of the largest. Largest movie studios in Hollywood that she would be able to easily score roles, but it turned out to be a handicap, because directors did not want to hire her on their films, either because they didn't like Sheinberg personally or because they thought that they would get into trouble very easily with her husband, if there was ever a disagreement between them and Gary on how she? She should portray her role during the phone call from Sheinberg in October of Nineteen eighty-six Jusuf Sergeant. He's known for drinking a lot of dramas. He also directed the taking of Pelham one-two-three among many other fine films. Sheinberg asked him basically if he was interested, but he questioned whether he was the guy for the job of a killer shark blockbuster. Sheinberg insisted that this new jaws. Jaws should have a more human element to it when audiences genuinely care about the characters, they find horror films. Much more terrifying sergeant had a reputation of putting characters above conceptual elements in finding the humanity in his stories, so in China's mine sergeant was the guy who could get this franchise back to what made the original so special and sweetening the deal Sheinberg offered something. That, he could not refuse total control as the producer produce his own film his way on top of being the director now sergeant just had to deliver a movie that didn't have a story, and he had to cast it within ten months half the time of a typical film, he immediately hired a TV writer named Michael De Guzman to script sergeant and deguzman got to work made a conscious decision to connect their story to. To the first film, only they ignored the other two sequels that came before it in their minds. This was to be the actual sequel to jaws given no guidance on what the studio wanted other than Ellen Brody was the protagonist. They plan to have Martin Brody die at the beginning a moving funeral after that, and then the rest of the story would focus on ellen brody getting revenge on the shark that killed her husband. After turning in their draft Sheinberg love angle in the execs, a universal felt that they really had something special. Going Sheinberg was so enamored of this story. He sent a copy to Steven Spielberg who replied that he had only gotten eighteen pages in, but he could read no more because it brought back too many memories. He wished Joseph Sargent well. He knew from experience at a jaws shoot was the. The most difficult of all shoots, despite vowing to never return universal hope that Roy Scheider would come back if his character died at the beginning of the film, but Scheider was really not interested. Universal asked him name his price Scheider said Okay in dollars for only ninety s working for so thought that was outrageous, but the could not go. She ate him down from that million, so they wrote out. As, having died of a heart attack, years before from living in continual fear of sharks, the death at the beginning of the film changed the focus to the younger brody son Sean. He's now the deputy for the amity, Police Shaun's funeral scene was the one that was meant for Martin it originally had a phone call condolences from Matt. Hooper, bringing back Richard Dreyfuss whether his voice, or whether on the screen and a visit from Larry Vaughn from jaws. However Dreifuss had absolutely no. No interest just like Scheider did in coming back for another jaws and Murray. Hamilton had died of lung cancer, so he was not going to be available. Ami Community bit-players from jaws like Mrs Kitchener and Mrs Taft. They would appear. Discipline had a somewhat larger problem, though in explaining why the Brody family we're going to be the targets of so many attacks from great white sharks. Sergeant thought that they could play with the mythos a little bit. Maybe even get a little mystical. Mystical that this new shark was angry for chief Brody, taking out two of their own and be carrying out a vendetta against the brody family, despite the scientists in jaws to telling paranoid Martin Brody that sharks don't take things. Personally the shark would be kind of metaphor here about the deadly nature of fear and obsession of keeping people from being able to move on with their lives, and how such things can consume us and our families into stagnation despite Michael de Guzman's attempt. Attempt to complete a script. In the five weeks allotted, it was still incomplete by the time date were scheduled to roll film and revisions would have to be handed down nearly every day that changed some pass it to accommodate shifts in the budget or the availability of the talent that they had on any given day given an initial fifteen million dollars budget sergeant used his carte blanche mandate to set most of his film in the Bahamas. He wanted to spend time in. In Paradise if he could use any place in the world. Hey, why not the Bahamas? The familiar stomping grounds of EDGERTON ON MARTHA'S VINEYARD? They were provide the setting for the opening scenes due to unforeseen delays throughout the shoot, the release date of July first of Nineteen eighty-seven. It had to move based start. Actually feel that the released would actually move well past. July might go into August but they managed to Russia's fast as they could pull together something that they could release. Release for July seventeenth for its release date, although this is the fourth in the series, it does not carry the title of Jaws Four, and that was because there was a deliberate attempt here to continue the series by ignoring jaws three d altogether, and that's why Shawn. Who is deathly afraid of the water. Josh Three. He gets eaten here, but for going in the water. He doesn't have his phobia. While his brother Mike, who we learned was a construction engineer in Jaws Jaws three now. He's actually a marine biologist. It also really doesn't hitch anything onto jaws, too, but it doesn't really contradict it too much altogether. It ops to make references only to the first film. The first proposed title was jaws, Nineteen eighty-seven later got shortened to jaws eighty-seven. It was scheduled to come out on the fourth of July weekend, and of course nineteen eighty-seven, eventually they changed the title to jaws the revenge, and that was in an attempt to continue the series with. With chapter names instead of numbers, so that going forward all of the jaws films would not necessarily be continuation of the previous film that we'd be much more episodic new characters new adventures, so to speak Michael Cain here he plays hoagie. The air taxi pilot. He takes the remaining brody family to Nassau where the waters are said to be too warm for the liking of great white sharks, the setting winter that makes it the coldest time of the year for the waters. And that's where Mike Brody works as a marine biologist, while in a new and beautiful place Ellen. Let our guard down, and she begins this flirtatious relationship with Hoagy soon. They have an unexpected visitor in the ocean, of course, as seems to only have a taste for the brody family. Michael Cain says he took up jaws the revenge because his films were too boring for his thirteen year old daughter. This would be the first movie that he made that. She and her friends would enjoy of course the one point five million dollars that he received to do the film. That's two and a half times Gary's paycheck. While enjoying this Bohemian vacation that might be much more of the real answer. The one downside for Michael Caine was that he missed being in Hollywood to accept his first ever Oscar. He got best supporting actor for Hannah and her sisters, because it was a lot of bad weather in the caused. Caused multiple delays, because of not only the weather malfunctioning mechanical sharks, because they were in danger of not making their goal of their July release, they had to finish their shoot in the tank for underwater sequences with water, died a special sheet of blue to match the Ocean Bahamian waters that was all done at universal studios, including a back lot recreation of the Nassau village for additional scenes, these delays also caused Michael Cain to be unavailable for his next scheduled moving. That was switching channels. His part would eventually get recast with Burt Reynolds because they could not wait any longer now. While promoting the film Michael Caine called. Called Jazz two and three so awful. He was rooting for the shark for those films, and he thought you know. This was a chance to redeem the franchise. He did not realize until later that most fans of the series considered jaws the revenge to be the worst of them all, and once he found out that jaws. The revenge was even more critically panned the other sequels, Cain glibly responded that though it may be terrible, and he never did watch it. The House that he built with the money he received is terrific. He also said that he would always have a fondness for his time making jaws the revenge. Revenge because of not only that house, but his Oscar win and a great vacation. Mario Van peebles initially turned down the role of Jake the assistant to Michael Brody. He had been turned off by jaws. Three D and he thought this was just going to be more of the same, but he did read the script. It caused him to change his mind because the character that they wanted him to play was entirely different than anything he had played before, and just as sergeant had carte blanche to make jaws the revenge, his way sergeant extend the same courtesy to van. Peebles van. People's created the Jamaican, accented Jake and. Including pretty much. All of his dialogue Henry Miller he took over for Joel elves in constructing these new sharks about seven different variations of the shark in total, including four that were about twenty three feet long, and that required the work of about eighty-five craftspeople and technicians to put together and manipulate and one of the sharks used in the underwater shots. It needed a self-propelled prop, and it was created by altering the five foot. Wail. That was created by industrial light and magic four star trek for the voyage home to promote the film as withdraws to Hank Searle's a novelization based on one of the early scripts, and once again when you look read some of these novelization based on early scripts, it usually will reveal several supplies that were written out of the final draft in that certainly the case for jaws the revenge. Revenge I think the biggest among all of the reveals. If you read the novelization of where they wanted to go with the movie that there was an actual reason beyond just simple revenge for the shark, targeting the brody's in the novelization based on that early script, the shark is actually under the control of this. Haitian witch doctor named Papa Jock Jock in the story becomes Michael Brodie sworn enemy. Enemy after he gets called out as a con artist by Mike Birdie for exploiting the Bahamians. He puts a curse on the brody family by controlling this shark to attack them whenever they go in the ocean and to show Mike. How legit his powers truly are in the end when the shark is killed, pock is with it as he and the shark were one of the same that definitely. Definitely would make sense for jaws. The revenge would be a revenge story pox. Story it instead of just some shark who we have to presume is somehow friends or cousins, or somehow related to the other sharks that we've seen in the prior movies. Now there were other subplots to that were cut out. Hogi had a money laundering and drug running back story that put his life in constant. Constant danger from vicious gangsters hoagie gets revealed as actually a good guy. He's an undercover agent. WHO's trying to take down the struck Lord? Who's responsible for his daughter's death and we also learned that the shark is indeed the offspring of the sharks from jaws and jaws to born as she was electrocuted during jaws to. If you can believe that, and so even with these plots, maybe it would. Would not have made such a great movie. After all now five days following the release of the film into theaters in July seventeenth of nineteen, eighty-seven universal decided to reshoot the ending in the tank at the universal back lot, because audiences hated Mario Van peebles character Jake, dying in the mouth of the shark so instead he is shown to miraculously survive that complete modeling in the mouth of. Of the shark and this new winning was specifically for foreign prints, it also made its way television showings as well as home video releases. They tend to think that this made for a better film experience for most people, the also added an introductory voiceover narration, and had the narrator talking about or circumstances that was driving the shark's behavior, and there are also two different endings that were done for. For the shark in the theatrical version, the shark is gored by the sailboats, Bowsprit and Bleeds Out, and then sinks to the bottom of the ocean, and this ending was done because Sid Sheinberg mandated that Joseph Sargent have the shark died in a manner that is completely different from the other films, and this was the best he could think of in home. Video releases though the shark inexplicably. Loads upon getting impaled, which ironically happens in the first film, so not exactly sure why the shark explodes or why the decided that would be more exciting, but apparently they thought the ending that was originally designed for the theatrical release was just kind of boring for some of the viewers and they needed an explosion. The final cost of jaws revenge was twenty three million dollars, so it went. Over its budget, not including advertising or promotional costs, either despite debut at number three in its first week of release, word of mouth was not kind to the film, and it fell out of the top ten by week three, and all told it grossed about twenty million dollars in the United States, not a very big amount, but it did score another thirty one million dollars worldwide, and that brought its grand total to fifty one million dollars, so guess it didn't really lose any money didn't really make that much money, either, but despite Sid Sheinberg trying to recharge, his wife's acting career jaws. The revenge did Mark Lorraine Carey's final acting credit. It really did backfire for that intent, and it would also mark. Mark the end of Joseph Sargent? As a director of big screen films as well as for Michael De. Guzman, as screenwriter of big screen films, and it also would mark the end of jaws, has a big screen franchise to now few, but those nostalgic for the nineteen eighties schlock champion it today holds a rare zero percent rating on rotten tomatoes, and it also received seven Razzie award nominations, those Golden Raspberries, worst picture, worst actress for Lorraine Gary worst supporting actor for Michael Caine was director for Joseph Sargent Screenplay Visual Effects, which it actually one and Bruce the shark for worst actor, and despite the drubbing by the Razzies Razzies Co. founder John Wilson. He put Josh revenge prominently in his book describing. Describing the hundred most enjoyable bad movies ever made so this might be a bad movie. It still liked by people who like bad movies. Joseph Sergeant would wonder years later. Though, how grown men with years of professional training could get involved with something so idiotic? Looking back in hindsight he thought all of these ideas that he had for the film were good, but now looks over it and realizes boy way in over their head, and they had no idea that they were making a real stinker. He rationalized years later that the issue was that there was such a push for a fresh approach with jaws, the revenge and such a need to finish the production at twice the speed that nobody really wanted. Wanted to put the brakes on by scrutinizing or trying to overthink the impossible now. Anybody who's ever heard of jaws, the revenge knows that it is considered one of the worst films of the nineteen hundred. Maybe one of the worst films ever made so reviewing it here as far as what I think about. It might seem unnecessary but I thought I'd take a different approach here. Because a negative review for jaws, revenge is a given so I will try to do something different here and come up with ten positive things to say about the sequel that ended the jaws franchise once and for all, and we'll see if I can scrape up that many so without further ado, here are the ten. Quote, unquote good things about jazz revenge number one ignores the equally awful jaws three I. Mean I cannot decide which of these films I like less dust three was probably not quite as mind-numbingly stupid in its plot, but it also has a really shoddy factor that jaws the revenge seems much more professional, even though it's just a dumber film, but because you know both. Both films don't necessarily agree with one another instead of having to see Josh three before you watch jaws the revenge. Now you have the option of ignoring at least one of these awful movies. If you want to get to two different endings for the series, it's kind of choose your own adventure, but the best available option is to ignore both films I suppose. To it does have the shortest running time. All of the jaws films now just who is not musty entertainment, but at two hours it's burden by stretching out its thin material to the breaking point Josh Three is about twenty minutes shorter than jaws to, but it contains about as much fillers jaws, who, but here jaws the revenge. It's the worst of the films in the minds of many, but the creators shows mercy here by not assaulting our intelligence for. For longer than the hat to ninety minutes is kind of the typical run time for a movie that gets down to try to get more screen showings number three. It is the funniest of jaws films, although the humor here is completely unintentional, I do think jaws the revenge. If you're having a few beers watching along with it or maybe not, it's still funny on its own. The laughter quotient rivals some of the best comedies ever made for its period. For you will learn things about sharks that a lifetime of study of sharks would never ever reveal. Did you know that sharks carry out personal vendettas against human families? Well, we'll see that here. Who did you also know that they can form psychic links with these humans and humans could form them right back. Did you know that they even though sharks typically don't go more than twenty five miles an hour, maybe thirty five. If they have a short burst that they could follow an airplane, traveling hundreds of miles at high speeds and find their destination well, you will see that. That here did you know that sharks like to growl tacking despite their lack of vocal cords, somehow the roar, while in the ocean, or at least coming out of the ocean through the top of the water. Did you know that sharks could glide for hundreds of feet with most of their bodies above the water, and all of this and more is learned throughout the course of this highly educational film I mean the camera never lies. Certainly, this kind of footage should definitely at least 'cause many people who are shark experts to have mouths agape for one reason or another. Reason five jaws is good. It shows that the suspense of the jaws films was not all about the John Williams score, despite utilizing the same score is Steven Spielberg's original jaws. This one cannot even muster one hundred of the amount of tension or intrigue or fright. As the original ause, the soundtrack does however feature a few late nineteen eighties pop tunes that rank very high on the scare factor. If you don't think that the jets you've got it all. Is Nausea inducing and by the way I happen to have owned. During, the late one, thousand, nine hundred, a couple of jets albums actually thought that they were quite good at the time, but you got it. All is not one of the ones I. liked we t you see the slow sensual, close dancing of Michael Cain and Lauren Gerry that accompanies that song. That's a lot to take in number six. It will remind you of how great the first jaws is. Ensure we all know how entertaining Spielberg's original is, but the constant flashbacks and the allusion to the first film can only make everyone viewing this travesty think that jaws was the greatest film ever made just by the sheer comparison, interestingly, some of the flashbacks characters that were not even there to witness them. You'll have the urge during this film to stop jaws the revenge all together in order to re watch jaws. Stop halfway outright just in the pain. Number seven it eventually ends now. Very few viewers probably stuck around to see the final credit, but painful as they are to get to I have and yes, if you're wondering, there are people who want to take the credit for making this film. Number well I. Think I've kind of ended my list here. Okay? This was only seven out of ten, but anybody who knows and who has seen this fiasco has to realize that coming up with ten positive things to say even if they're not really positive, I suppose is about downright impossible, and so you can watch this tripe only if you mean to laugh at how astonishingly bad it all is, you'll love the psychic connections. The Spiritual Mumble Jumble Mario Van peebles terrible, full roster, accent, man, and Michael Caine really cashing his check here and about the fakest shark. Put to celluloid. I mean this one is so bad. It's kind of like a car wreck. You can't avert your eyes from it. No matter how horrific it is to take in, and just as jaws made people everywhere afraid to go back into the water jaws, the revenge proved to be such a stinker of such magnitude. They were actually afraid to return to the theater for another jaws excursion, and that's why we do not have a jaws, five or even a jaws remake. kind of got remade by a hundred different jaws, ripoffs, and that's why I cannot give jaws the revenge more than one star, one star out of four, you know this movie has a lot of talent on board, but the rush production, and the really insanely idiotic idea of a shark, trying to get revenge on a family and traveling all over the world to get to this family who don't have the common sense to just move their house to someplace. That's not right on the shore. Well, it's kind of insulting to the intelligence I guess the more you think about it, so one star is the best I can give to anybody who's wanting to take in jaws four for any other reason. To laugh at it I cannot in good contents recommended. Anybody who I don't know is going to watch it for that purpose. So one star out of four four jaws the revenge well, we won't end the kind of the underwater menace. Here because next week we're going to start off a brand new trilogy and the first film I'm going to be talking about well. We're going to go back to the nineteen seventies yet again as we did with the King Kong films and the films for the first of a three part series, the first film I'm going to be talking about is called Piranha directed by Joe Dante a Roger Corman production. You Know Steven? Spielberg called it the best of the jaws reports and you will find out. Out The reasons why when I cover nineteen seventy seventy-eight Piranha definitely much more of an intentionally funny film and much more successful than a lot of these jaws, sequels tended to be so check out piranha from nineteen seventy eight four next week's episode. Thank you so much for listening I. Hope that you enjoy this retrospective. Look at the Josh Films I know that there's a huge dropoff between the first one and the sequels. Really even though I do think jaws who is respectable enough to sit through. You have your own thoughts on jaws the revenge. If you think that deserves more the star, certainly you can write to me with the reasons why my contact information is at my website. That's I quit stor dot net WIP, s. t. e., R., dot net leads to my twitter feed facebook page instagram, all of that any way that you wanna get in touch with me is perfectly by me and until next time. Thank you so much for joining me on this trip around the world with a shark Intel waiting to get its teeth in our butts. Somehow it will follow US everywhere around the world needs Bubis.

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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 207: V Wars S1E1

GSMC SciFi Podcast

1:04:09 hr | 1 year ago

GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 207: V Wars S1E1

"Golden state media concepts side podcast. Together we dive into the world. In science fiction from APSOS. Star walks to the. Resident in all the. Science fiction movie from the Bachelor Marvel or DC golden state media cuts cy five cats. You'll never get sized stations the same way again. I. took. Five Times Bras by the GS NC podcast network. I'm your host Alex? Today. We're going to talk about V wars. I was a big Fan of vampire diaries, and so I decided to go ahead and watch V. This year. And I'M GONNA. Tell you guys I loved it. It has vampires. It has climate change. It's a lot of science in the SCIFI and it was also fun. It had a lot more socio politics in it than I was anticipating, and I live for that type of content show. I, very much enjoyed it and we're going to spend a little bit talking about v Wars. The basic premise of the wars is that climate change has resulted in a lot of ice and snow melting, and has allowed for the reemergence of long dormant viruses, so we've seen something similar to this in an x files episode. In season one except instead of a virus eight was kind of a primordial worm of some type. Show. In this case in viewers, it is a virus. And the show shows us that this virus could be genetic information her in alter our DNA so if you haven't listened to the episode EPA genetics yet. Maybe go back with you, and that will also help lay some groundwork for this one. So the T. L. D.. I, is that this virus emerging from the melting ice from climate change can affect our DNA in a way that can cause some changes. resulting in a needing to drink blood and do things like that, so it makes people essentially into vampires. But we start out this entire series with a doctor. At an Arctic research station much like the one in the X. files season one ice. Show at this Arctic research station. He has very clearly infected himself with something. We don't get to know this person very well bed. He's very expendable. He's just fair to let us know. Something has gone awry. And he is really going to just shoot himself in order to avoid whatever is about to happen to him due to his exposure to whatever this is. And his body is just kind of outside in the cold, and it's the Arctic, so it's really cold y'all the man is definitely dead. Then we get to see. Dr. Luther Swan played by Ian Summer holder. And he is giving a speech on climate change causing glacial deterioration. I really love in summer. Holder is playing a doctor in this show, and that he is taking such a serious approach to climate, change and epigenetics. It's pretty cool to see a scientist. Giving these lectures and I've seen them do that. In other shows, but conferences are really big part of scientific researchers, life of any academics life really, and it's just nice to see the scientific creature in the natural habitat. I also really enjoyed his speech in general, not just from a narrative standpoint, but also from a scientific standpoint. And he says that science has no borders or agendas only truth. And that it's important that we globally take this approach to stopping climate change in his tracks, because we don't even really know why we could unleash or on earth with all of these changes that are happening on the globe with everything warming up, and we talked a little bit about the potential impacts that in the python versus alligator episode from more of a satirical standpoint. But this show and that episode from the X. Files is, do raise excellent points. It very well could release some of these things back in to the general population. And it is going to take a global effort to stop it and I think that the timeliness of this show coming out around the time of the covid nineteen pandemic is exceptional. Part of the show is about the approach of dealing with a pandemic of this scale like it's a part of the definition of a pandemic is at scale, but it's really a big problem and Dr Swan talks about the modeling of how this pandemic could go much late. People in the healthcare industry and scientific industries have been talking to us about how covert nineteen could potentially. Potentially be spread how this might go and how we end up with some folks, not really listening and others kind of listening and then still others who may try to take advantage of it for their own means, whether that be by dumping their stocks to protect their finances, or in the case of this show, trying to find a way to weaponize this, there are always opportunists, and I really enjoy how the show points that out. especially from the political aspect, they talk about a military response to it, but that again seems to be directed by politics two. So in the show. We have a lot going on, but it is overwhelmingly. Pretty Dope. In my opinion, we have a family component. We have these interpersonal relationships that are strained and tested. And we also have a lot of learning as they go along, but in this episode it's mostly pretty chill. In the first episode we see that Dr Swan is met by Dr Lansing. Who tells him that they've lost contact with the folks at the Arctic Research Station? And so swan calls a guy named Michael, Cain and asked to be transported there. Turns out that there Bros. like they are very close like brothers and go way back and Michael Caine teens to fly helicopters from what I gathered and will transport swan to different places, so swan has to pay somebody to do. It might as well be as Bro, right and then it's just a bro trip, so they go up there and arrive at the Arctic research station and the door is open. Now I don't know about y'all in how y'all grew up, but my parents did yell at me lot about whether or not I was born in a barn, and leaving the door open, and letting the heat down and all that other stuff, so if you've ever been hollered at by your parents for stuff like that, you will be horrified that someone left the door open at an Arctic research facility. Think about the heating bill, you guys and taxpayer-funded. What the heck show they go in there and they can't find anyone to answer them, but they do find the body of the guy. We saw kill himself at the very beginning of the episode. In Swan realizes that there is like a petri dish that is broken on the floor and Agar Plate. And there was something in it, and he's not sure what it was, but that it could very potentially be airborne, and they need to call in a quarantine team because of what the folks up there working on. So, that's not great, and they end up in quarantine themselves in Washington DC, while the cleanup crew was working on the stuff in the Arctic. We're going GONNA. Go on a quick break and when we come back, we're gonNA talk about what happens in quarantine stated. What to find out what movies to go, see and check out the GS AMC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event, romantic comedy or action flick. This show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See now. Don't bother. What's hot on Netflix and everything in between that GMC PODCAST DOT COM back slash movie dash podcast when it's all about the movies. It has to be this new show. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit GS MC podcast dot com for more INFO. took. Taste. Best with poor grapes were introducing the concept of the wars, including Z climate, change and epidemiological components. Now we're going to talk about what happens. Once Dr Swan and Michael Caine end up in quarantine after being exposed to an airborne pathogen at the Arctic research. Station. At some point after they have been processed into this quarantine facility Dr Swan's wife Jess whom we saw making out with him at his lecture, as it was their anniversary I, believe and his son Desmond who he calls. Dez Come to visit him. and. We can see that Dr. Lansing thinks that they're probably going to be fine. They're a little uncertain with even what they're dealing with. And without having a live subject that has before been exposed to this or having anyone else around to tell them where it came from were what they were doing with it. It's kind of difficult to really predict what the problem might be with this new material. It's not really that like anything that they've seen before. And so they take all reasonable precautions that they know of and then when nothing seems to really happen to them, that's all that bad. They go ahead and cut them lose. So Dr Lansing's like eight. I think you're fine. And Dandy gone, says hey. Maybe keep us for a little bit longer, and he's like Bra. You don't need to be in here anywhere you're. You're done, so get out of here. So, he's a little bit nervous Dr Swan and going home at this point. He thinks that they should give it more time but Dr. Lansing has technically done everything that he is supposed to do. He's done is due diligence as they know of for their protocols, so they're cleared and they go about their business. But then we start seeing that there are some weird killings reported in the news and that the police chief is in charge of those investigations. Then we start seeing Michael fantasizing about biding someone in the neck. And, we also see that he is kind of plagued by being able to hear a lot of voices in noises around him quite loudly. So? It seems like he has super hearing of some sort, but unlike in a lot of shows, in which is depicted as a good thing, it really seems to be bothering him, and in that way it reminded me a lot of the folks who could hear other people's thoughts in some of the Star Wars books. I WanNa say it was Gan Torres. Torres in strain can't remember which one. But they were Luke's Jedi Academy Temple and One of them would just hear these voices all the time, and it was just too much to be around a lot of other people, and that's kind of the impression. You're getting from Michael's reaction. He is not having a good time. And then over dinner, with Luther he tells him that his teeth are hurting, and he's like you know i. feel like I can hear things from like far away and things like that and losers kind of down, and he's like you came. You have a fever or something. And, then we meet Juergen Juergen Weber and this person is someone who were lays information on the killings to independent. Journalists Kaley Vo. So so far we have the police chief character chief macaroni, lane, we have Michael Cain and Dr. Luther Swan and Juergen Weber and Caitlyn Vo. Dr Lansing so Kelly is an independent journalist who posts about a lot of these things on the Internet and she's getting this information from Juergen about these recent killings. And Kayla learns from him that the victims are missing blood, and they have seemingly been a sanguine via some wounds on their neck. Anchalee's like Whoa. These are like vampire slayings, and she just kind of runs with it. And? Then we see Michael Go ahead and Alert Doctors Swan about a weird emergency. He has a deadly in his apartment and he can't remember what happened. I really like how they play out this ethical issue in this series. So. What do you do when your best buddy gives you a call and says that there is a dead person in their apartment and that they know how it looks, and they know. How they might be impacted by this, but they have no idea what happened. They just now that if someone finds them in there, they're going to believe that he's the one who killed them. And so Michael Fain is all panicked and Luther. Swan is all panicked, but he leaves and goes to help out with covering this up. Michael insisted he didn't kill the woman, but you can kinda. Tell from looking at him they he very well probably did, but he strongly might believe he did not. And he also asks Luther to help him clean up the apartment, so we don't know if he knows or not. He did maybe maybe not, but you kind of get the feeling that he needed this. And this is good. It's alarming for Luther. And it's alarming for everyone who's viewing it so after then clean up the apartment. Michael Ends up accidentally breaking the bathroom sink he likes slams his hand down on embrace it. And, so he has hearing now and super strength, and he can also find people's blood in their veins so. He's a vampire y'all and his last name is fine, and it sounds a lot like Fang, but it's not hang with close enough. So. He is a vampire in this series, and it's heartbreaking for our buddy. Because Thor's than Resat about it in Michael's GonNa be sad about it and really luther just wants to help his bro, so we have this going on, we also start wondering. Is Luther also going to come down with this disease to? They were both exposed to the airborne pathogen, and they weren't separated from each other during their quarantine, they spent. Spent the whole quarantine together show even though it was a clean environment, if was exposed at the facility, even if the other did not inhalant their their close proximity for the following weeks for the quarantine duration would most definitely result in exposure to it so now we're just kind of waiting it out. Way The luther to see if maybe vein metabolize it faster than he did. Maybe he was more susceptible earlier on. So we wait with bated breath in that capacity, but we also see that luther is having a crisis of conscience. He's having a really hard time right now because he is. A doctor and he is a man of science. Any has ethics. Ethics are very important in science. Integrity is very important. And he's very upset by what he has done. You can tell even outside of being a man of science at just the general type of man that Dr Swan is, this is gutting him, and he made a decision in the moment to help his friend into help, protect his brother, but now he is getting some of that adrenaline out of his system, and that proximity isn't as blinding as it was before. He feels like he's made a terrible mistake. Any talks to his wife about it. Just seems absolutely horrified that. Luther helped Michael to cleanness up. Even s loser didn't think Michael did it and he's not really sure what to do about it now, but they ultimately decide that luther needs to go to the police. And report what had happened so that? If Michael is sick, they can help him out. And that's where Lutherans up going. We're going to go on a quick break and when we come back, we're going to talk about what happens when he goes to the cops stay tuned. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now listen close and here this out. 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He gets there the fact that he has also helped to. Cover up this body to clean the crime scene and to dispose of the body that does make him an accessory to murder after the fact, and so he is also in trouble, so they put him into a room and have him. Sit there for a while a lot of times. They'll do that with interrogation. Leave people sitting there for a while. What I'm STU, a little bit Kinda. GO NUTS! Make them more likely to talk later on so that anything that they say can be held against them. And so they sit him there to fall into this trap as well and as a doctor, I kind of expect luther to understand this a little bit better. I expect him to understand that if you go to the police about that, they're also going to penn you up, but you know he's still trying to do the right thing and is sitting near trying to calmly discuss with them. What has happened and explained that his buddy seems to be sick, and the chief of police tells him that you know helping him clean. The crime scene is gonNA. Give you like five years at least for obstruction of justice. So, T., l., Dr this is not working out that well, for Luther and truthfully. How did he really think this was going to go? In going to the cops to report that his friend who is a man of color. Is Sick and killed someone, and then he helped him to cover up the crime. Doctor Luther Swan is very intelligent in many ways, but his intelligence in this case is in serious doubt. Perhaps he has more integrity than he does intelligence. This really was not the safest option for his friend. Let alone for him. And, he might have been better off if he believed he was sick in trying to get someone in a mental health capacity to perhaps help Michael Fain or to get someone in healthcare capacity, but then again we don't really have a great way in modern American Society to call on folks in emergency situations beyond if you are bleeding or on fire or having threat of bodily injury. There's not really an emergency mental health service number that you can just call at least not that I'm aware of in the current American Zeitgeist. So he kind of guess picks the best option that he can think of. It's not the safest option four Michael in addition to making him a target of some groups hunting him down like the police for killing someone. He's a man of color. He's not likely to get fair treatment to begin with. He's much more likely to be shot and indeed Michael Does. Get shot while he is targeting another woman in a tunnel system. So they shoot him and arrest him, but that is separate from. Luther is doing I believe it doesn't seem like. Him Reporting, it is what ends up getting Michael Shot. But Michael is nonetheless shot and arrested, and then he survives it and decides he will only talk to luther. We also learn about kind of a side quest wherein Mike went to his dentist, recently about those sore teeth mentioned a luther over dinner. And that his dentist, his recently committed suicide. So that is to people who are connected to Michael, who are now dead and someone else. He tried to target. And then Luther finds out that might knows that eight. He's been routed out that somebody has alerted the cops to him. He's also very strong now, so in addition to the super hearing, and all of the things that he has going for him right now. We saw him break that sink earlier. He strong and he just straight up breaks cups. He fights the cops, and then they decide to put him under heavy restraints, so they strap him down to a Gurney. And around this time to see that the Journalists Katie Vo has also made her way into this medical facility where they are holding. Michael Fain in police custody. Show. Katie goes into this building and is trying to meet him. She specifically wants to meet him look, she's been reading and looking on the news and getting this news footage from Jergen about all of these different issues that are going on. She's been getting it from the police department in stuff information about these vampire killings and Katie is convinced that their vampire killings, so she sneaks him a that badge and we see that his bullet wounds aren't there anymore. He has already healed, and we also find out that he has drank the victim's blood. Then he quickly breaks free from his restraints bites, a guard to death, then uses his body as a shield, just kind of dangling in front of him and use it to dampen his landing when he jumps over a railing. It's pretty hard. Core Kaley makes it out alive and was able to speak with him momentarily, so she got what she needed after some of this stuff happens. Luther gets the point across to chief Macaroni Lane that his family is. Endanger from Michael because Michael knows that luther knocked on him, and he needs to get to his family before then so for whatever reason instead of sending a security detail to the house to check on them or anything like that they go ahead and lead Dr Swan temporarily go to protect his family from Michael Fain. He's trying to get them to just leave the house with him and immediately come back. By the time he gets there. Though DEZ is locked himself inside, he is felt like someone or something was chasing him all the way back to the house. and was very freaked out. and. You also feel very freaked out for Dez because you know that. Michael Fain is out there and you don't know how. He would take it out on this kid at this state. You don't know how he would react to luther betraying him, because they're like brothers, and it is a deep betrayal. In this case, end does probably like Michael's nephew, but he also doesn't seem to have a lot of control over his actions right now or his urges. So we're going to go on a quick break, and when we come back, we're GonNa talk about what happens when Luther gets back home. Watching TV has changed over time. Streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord. Cutting wants to be on the loop of what's hot, hot and Netflix or if it's not a preference, what about original shows in Hulu? We've got you covered. Join us as we filled the blind and talk about movies to street. And what show you should be binge it this. This is a golden state media concepts television podcast. Just. Back. For the break we were talking about the outcome of the showdown in the medical facility. In which we learn that Michael Fain the has survived behind shot, and also that he. HAS USED A man's body to dampen his fall as he has launched himself over a railing like a story or two below. It's pretty medal, and they did a good job with that seen in my opinion. So now we know that the police chief is leading Dr Swan go home to his family to protect them from his friend. Michael because Luther thinks that Michael might take out. His frustration and anger at Luther narking on him to the police by harming jess and Dez. We haven't seen jess yet, but we've seen does run all the way home down a forest path that is not quite reminiscent of the village, but it did remind me quite a bit of the village that might sue partly be because the I, saw the village the only time I've seen the village three honest. I watched it on cable. And it started about halfway through, or I started about halfway through it like two o'clock in the morning when I couldn't sleep during college and so all. I knew that there was a girl wandering around the forest. And then I won't fully end up it for you case. You haven't seen it yet, and you still want to. Bet It looked like that to me. She's just freaked out and she feels like something is chasing her. So it reminded me of that a little bit, but now having read about the context of the village I understand that this is not at all the same, but that feeling of being hunted by something being through the forest reminded me a lot of the same type of Erie. Feeling I got when watching the village, not knowing that it was the village. You get where I'm going with this guy, but anyway luther gets home and does his manage to run all the way through the woods and locked himself safely inside of the House so luther goes in to get days, but they are very quickly attacked. Not by Michael, Fain though. Unfortunately, it looks like jess has also been turned into a vampire, and she tries to attack them both so luther has to kill her with a fire poker. He kind of has to beat her to death with it. It's pretty graphic and it's pretty upsetting. To Watch, but you know. We only got to know her for one episode so I didn't feel all that upset about it for her. Personally I'm just like Oh no poor luther. He's GonNa be so sad that he had to kill his wife, even though she was totally a vampire, and he did it to save his kid, and he was definitely warranted in beating her to death with a fire poker in this case, because she was a vampire and was trying to kill them both. So she seems to have even less control than Michael. Right now, because it looks like the early stages are really difficult for these vampires to control, and that's pretty consistent with. Different Vampire TV shows and movies throughout the years such as in twilight, in which the newborn. Tend to have a much harder time controlling their powers. or their urges really. Both maybe! But they also tend to be pretty strong, so the strength component doesn't really seem to play into it here, and in shows like the originals and vampire diaries and legacies, usually when you first become a vampire, it's really hard to control your urges, but also you tend to get stronger. The older you get, so that's a big difference between twilight and Vampire Diaries, but in V wars it doesn't really seem to have an impact at least not that we can see yet because there are only a couple of characters who have been impacted that we know of by this point in the story. So this is a big bummer for Luther had to be his wife to death so shortly after bear anniversary. And it seems that the police really think that he may be helping Michael Fain Kill these folks in these vampire murders, so this kind of went extra sideways for Luther WOMP WOMP. I'm sure he'll be fine. Though he protagonist you got. Luther will be fine began. He's been through a lot in this episode. By the end of the very first episode of the series, he has delivered a lecture on his anniversary. He has had to fly all the way to an Arctic research station in which he has contracted some type of virus that airborne, or perhaps he hasn't, but his bro has, and then due to this. His Bro starts killing women when he gets back into town. He says it is teeth hurt and he goes to his dentist and the dentist mysteriously commit suicide. And everyone is just kind of going bonkers right now. With what appeared to be a string of vampire type murders. So no one is very happy about this. And this all seems to be taking place in Modern Day America from what I can tell so folks aren't really inclined to believe that. Jesse was a vampire or even believe days that jess was attacking them, and was enough of a threat that luther was justified and beating her to death with this fire poker. This does leave us with the question. Though of where is Michael Fain and also how digest get infected if luther seemingly had no symptoms. While he did get intimate with his wife in an earlier scene in the episode. That's mostly pretty glossed over, and he says he's a little bit concerned about them. Not knowing the types of transmissions order presentation of this type of pathogen, if there indeed even is one that is truly problematic and can get into humans, but she just waves. It Assigns Lacaille Dr. Lansing cleared you. It's fine, so they had been intimate, and that means that he very well have transmitted it to her by being a symptomatic or being a carrier of this virus. And then transmitted to her via his semen or his saliva, things like that they're all different types of transmission between folks when it comes to types of pathogens, and if it can be airborne and be in respiratory droplets than you know, making out with somebody or having sex with someone who may also be affected can be detrimental to your health to those respiratory droplets are the vehicles for viruses? covid nineteen and potentially can be for also this pathogen that is represented in V wars, as Michael initially gets it from airborne transmission, their particular of it in the air, and Luther notices those from shining his flashlight into the facility since the lights are out in the doors open. So he sees them going through the air and realizes that they are perhaps in trouble, so he knows that it's possibly airborne. It's definitely airborne. Tell Michael got it, but then he also is now finding that it may be transmissible via saliva or other bodily fluids. We're GONNA go in a quick break and when we come back, we're going to talk about the graphic novel source material of viewers stated. The GMC life, been happiness. PODCAST takes you journey of exploration we'll discuss tried and true methods alongside the latest trends. How best live your life to its fullest happiest from psychology to meditation science to self help books, the GMC live in happiness podcast. We'll help you to discover what makes you happy and how you can live, live being the best possible download, the GMC life and happiness podcast on Itunes Stitcher, Don, clow, who will play or anywhere you bind podcast just GMC in the search bar. ticked. Welcome? Aboard the. We were wrapping up the end of the first episode of v Wars that was out on net flicks earlier this year. It's still on there. If you guys want to check it out, I really enjoyed the show all the way through. The mythology that it exports. And a lot of times. Vampire shows tend to go a lot more fantasy than sci-fi. That is the general bent for them. They're horror or fantasy under the speculative fiction umbrella, and this win is a lot more Sifi, so it really stood out to me as being a really fun Saifi and just also a much heavier, sociopolitical and scientific vampire show than lot of what we're used to. Now I will watch absolutely anything you guys in which the characters have superpowers I don't care if it scooby doo in Google School, or if it is something like the words or vampire diaries legacies the originals everything in that whole series. I really loved, but also you know they have the force like in star. Wars or if they are mutants wake in X. men, or the very last movie in the twilight franchise in which we get to see all of the vampires from different areas, come together and see all the different powers, and that is a lot like seeing the X. men together it's. It's a very exciting type of battle because it's beyond just beating up on each other, it's beyond just the super strength. They have a lot more to really dig into with like the electricity and the allusions in pain and premonitions, and all that it just gives you a lot to pull from and to. We've more into your stories. It's kind of like. Pokemon, it's going to be a totally different fight with a fire type in a water type Burr says a psychic type and water, type or psychic tax and fire Thai you have so much that you can do to cross those over and get all of these different outcomes, and that's one of the things that I love about speculative fiction in general and Saifi especially, we're also some horror movies like my favorite horror. Movies are the monster movies in which you have weird things happening like. Where Sharks Fighting octopuses? So, there's that also don't add me. Octopus is totally legit with to say the plural form of octopus. You can say octopuses occupy or eighties, although technically octopus is an octopus. Correct because octopodes uses the same route and prefix from the same originating language and with octopuses anytime you bring something into the English. Language and you are going to lure allies it. You anglicized it so octopuses technically correct. I was occupy girl for years and was absolutely shattered when I found that out. But you know as scientists, it's important that we don't really have an agenda as Dr Swan it, and that we are able to take this new evidence into account as we come across it and make new decisions going forward. So back to VCR's and Dr Swans beliefs. Viewers originated as a graphic novel by Jonathan. mayberry and Sam West mench the artists for it were Alan Robinson and Marco Tarini. And then there were several different folks who worked on the cover, and that included Ryan Braun. Kevin Eastman J. Photos Ronda. Pattison Allen Robinson Diego Rodriguez and Marco Tarini. There were a lot of folks who worked very hard on this project. And the wars in general is a graphic novel series that published by ID w publishing from twenty fourteen to twenty fifteen, and it continues the Anthology series. So it's about overall the battle between humans, and what equates to a hundreds of new species of. Who are now effectively vampires. They aren't really wanting regular people food anymore. We see Michael turn up his nose at the people food that he and Luther are eating at their dinner, the same dinner in which Michael is telling him about his ability to have super hearing, and also about how his teeth were aching at the time he feels. There's something wrong with his food and Luther is like. Like mind's totally fine man. I don't know what you're talking about, but he thinks that there is perhaps something wrong with his food. Because that is the thing that makes the most sense to him right then he doesn't know yet. The his body is morphing away at an EPA. Genetic level to make him crave blood, and to not really enjoy the taste of regular human food so much. So? He thinks he's getting sick or that. He is eating food. That's gone bad. And that makes a lot of sense. He is very human in that aspect, in which he is taking the culmination of the different experiences that he had in his life and applying that to the situation. He's in to find the most likely answer. But, in this case it turns out, the answer is a lot more supernatural than what Michael was truly prepared for or indeed what any of them were prepared for? We also see in the warriors more of the old school beliefs about vampires that they are dangerous and are out to harm humans and her part of a human food chain, in which they have replaced humans as the apex predators, and actually prey on humans, so it's more old school vampire type stories, the past several decades, or so have been more of this sucky buster incubus type character in which they are. Really going in and seducing folks, they're they're. Vampires are getting more of a sexual lean more than anything in recent years. That's the whole thing with twilight. Is that Bella just finds herself crazily attracted to Edward. Even, though he is super cold and I mean that literally on his skin, but also his aft- pretty. Flat so's herself. and. He's really strange and we'll. We'll go ahead and call it out right now. Just give out of the way Edwards out. Abusive going and cutting the lines in Bellas truck so that she can't go and see Jacob just because he is jealous and everything super controlling, but he's just apparently just so hot and sparkling who she cannot help herself, even though he is breaking into her room in night to also watch her sleep grand, she's asleep. She doesn't know it, but you get where I'm coming from. They are trying to turn them into like these romantic heroes and they've been doing that for years people in literature, and by all means go wild. Take it wherever your imagination wants to take it. Go ahead and explore vampires as romantic heroes and everything. But I really like this return to viewing them as monsters as well so we have movies Lake thirty days of night that portray them as being more like monsters, and I think that both types of portrayals do have merit. Really enjoying monster movies, because monster movies are my favorite for many go horror. It's going to be a monster movie. And Jonathan May? Berry has been quoted as saying at a San. Diego Comic Con that nothing here sparkles. It's old school, scary monsters, and it actually is old school, because this is not the Hollywood vampire so this age, not Bela Lugosi, y'all this is way further back. It's going back into all the different types of vampire beliefs throughout the world, so there are all types of different explanations of vampires in different countries around the world and. Years and they're not all necessarily. The same one countries vampire may need to be killed by beheading, while another win may be to the heart, and another one they can be warded off with holy water or silver or crosses. It really just depends, and Jonathan may vary really digs into a lot of those. We're going to go on a quick break and when we come back, we're going to wrap up talking about this anthology series. Stay tuned! The golden state media concepts travel podcast the show that gives you advice on everything travel. We explore places. You've always wanted to go as well as giving tips for traveling in those places, we'll give you advice on the best sites for travel tips, information and discounts join us as we travel the world explorer. And Meet New People the Golden State media concepts travel podcast has got you covered download the GS MC travel podcast on Itunes stitcher soundcloud, who go play or anywhere you find bog, asked just type GS MC in the search bar. Statistics. Before the rates, and we're talking about vampires in general in different shows like legacies, the originals. Twilight Vampire, diaries, and how they are a bit different from the wars in that V, wars has more of an old school. Portrayal of Vampires is being scary monsters instead of being these. Grand seducers. So I really like this approach that the author Jonathan. May Vary and his fellow author, Sam West Mench have taken in this. And there have been about twelve issues so far of the viewers graphic novel by W. Publishing and I'm excited to get my hands on them now that I have finished season one of the show. Sometimes you read the source material I like I did with watchmen, and then saw the movie and other times it's the other way around, and in this case I saw the TV show I and I am thankful to an summer holder for bringing that to the screen, and thusly bringing it to my attention. I love this kind of thing, and I'm all about putting a lot of science in sci-fi and turning. What's otherwise a horror or fantasy genre into being more of a sci-fi? So envy worse. They really do this turning of folks into vampires as being more like a plague than being just something nets magically transmitted via the blood. Do, you never really talk about it. In most horror and fantasy portrayals of these vampires, these creatures a lot of times. It's just Oh, well, you know. They bite you. Drink their blood. Now you're going to turn or just they bite you and now you turn and you're sitting there going okay. Is it in their saliva? What is it about dying with this in their stomach? That is causing these people to. To turn when not having ingested wouldn't do it, and it just leaves you kind of wondering now whenever I watch those kinds of things I do just suspend my disbelief so that I can enjoy the show, but it thrills me win. Folks really take a hard crack at explaining these otherwise mystical phenomena with science, so I liked that they use this plague type approach I like that it's related to climate change. And saying that we may have a part in wiping out our own existence, but also I find it interesting that the reverse implies did at one point there were vampires, and they were either hunted all out, or they couldn't handle climate change, and so that Jan went dormant where that expression of it went dormant did climate change results in the EPA genetic switch for fires, being turned off? I'm not sure. Is this to do with survival of the fittest in the way that Darwin really meant in talking about being reproductively fit and not just be inject. I'm not sure, but I'm excited to see where they go with this now. There's no way that they could have known when they started filming this or even, when it was written that this was going to come out net flicks right around the same time as the Kobe, nineteen pandemic, but it is quite timely, and if you guys have not seen a show yet, I highly recommend it. It talks about how politicians will use their response to these types of things to their. Their benefit you see what happens when people who are privileged socio-economically will change their minds. Would someone day particularly no is impacted by these types of events, so we see a lot of people right now. Going around without a mask and everything and a lot of folks just don't think that it's real. They don't think the COVID. Nineteen Israel and I talked to a girl at the box store today, getting packing materials to finish packing up my room for the big move. And she said that lots of people don't believe that. It's really even exists and she asks them we'll. How would you feel if someone you knew did die of this and people I know in my personal life have died from covert nineteen. It is indeed very real, but the political machine will keep turning. And it will keep throwing out all types of misinformation that will help them out most how they deal with it in your specific area, and whose fault certain things are they'll scapegoat people, Bill, Scapegoat Groups But v Wars, shows us about a lot of the science in the politics behind all of that, and also with journalism, where this information is coming from how it is sometimes even surpressed, so we see a lot of that representation with Kaley Vo and with Dr Swanson and with Michael, Cain and all. All of these other characters that are in the show and I like how they go through an early tie up all of the science and socio politics and culture and everything else with this neat little bow in the form of this allegory with Vampires, we also have a concept of there being different types of vampires in the show, so there were historically in this show different types of vampires, and that's again. Jonathan May Berry drawing upon the different portrayals of vampires throughout history and throughout the world. And that really is interesting the way he's brought this out, so he's brought Klein variation into it. soclean variation is something that any apologist Livingston put forward decades ago and that's the there is such thing as biological race, but there is Klein on variation, any variation that you see in human beings is. Graphic -ly. Along Klein's. Roughly correlate with latitude so the further you get from the equator, the shorter and thicker people tend to be because that is advantageous on an evolutionary level for being able to survive long enough to reproduce and pass those jeans on, because you're able to have enough. Heat retained fear, surface volume, ratio, N, similarly folks who are closer to the equator tend to be taller and thinner because they need to wick more heat from their bodies to not collapsed from heat exhaustion in these hotter areas, and also live long enough to pass those jeans on, so we see Klein all variation in many different aspects of human adaptation and variation, and I've spoken briefly about this before in previous podcasts. But. We also see some of this nv wars, so there are different types of vampires based on what he referred to as being their ethnic background, but your ethnic background is really defined geographically and in that way is also Klein variation, so he's not necessarily saying race, but we are talking about climate variation, so folks get those different genes triggered in different ways, so maybe some folks are getting DNA methylation. Maybe others are. Are Getting his stone modification like we discussed in previous podcast. Who knows I haven't gotten into the graphic novels yet I've got to get myself moved across the country I before I start diving into anything else, but this series. If you're interested in the graphic novel, has eleven, regular issues and a special one that you can collect into trade paperback, and there is also the TV show. It was canceled after one season. But Ian. Psalm holder is not giving up on it. You can check out his twitter for more information on this show. 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015. Funeral in Berlin (1966)

SpyHards Podcast

1:23:32 hr | 7 months ago

015. Funeral in Berlin (1966)

"Welcome to spy hearts podcast for the next hour. Your hosts will go deep undercover into the well of spy movies. Decipher witch films. Make the noc list but remember. This information is directly for your is only. I'm agent scott. And i'm cam the provocateur and swinging in the berlin wall in a bucket. This week we have joining us professional musician and author of the scott. Hunter spy series of books dunkin swindles. Thank you very much. Welcome to the show dunkin. We're so glad to have you on need a spy. Expert because you know we're still novices. We need an expert. Okay do now. Would you like to just talk a little bit about your scott. Hunter book series because for those unaware who may want to check them out on amazon or kindle. Yeah sure so. The first book came out a couple of years ago now. Birth of a spy It's very cambridge orientated. I guess ongoing for the sort of jonah. Keri approached spying and not so much. The james bond and they second booker absent friends. That came out in january this year and follow scott on his. He's being recruited. Says i conner mission and then i really should have finished the third book in lockdown but Haven't done anything. i'm afraid so. I'm finishing the third book now. So what inspired you to start writing these stories like was it just your big fan of spy literature or kind of what got the ball rolling so There's a man called leo marks He works for the sat just after wall. And then he went into hollywood He wrote the film script for peeping tom Which called killed antony powell's career off the aston movie. Yes and amazing colt now isn't it. I think oh yeah so you can actually find it for free. listeners if you go to to be the streaming that were to be they are actually running peeping tom right now. It's really worth checking out. Uh so fantastic. So leo marx wrote a book cool between silk and cyanide about his time working for the and i was given the book and a really wanted to make into a film. I thought make fantastic foam. I was trying to write film scripts at the time. I spend a bit of time with sid field and people like that so But i came to realize writing films is incredibly difficult. Writing screenplays is just is like the largest jigsaw puzzle that you can imagine And so a my parents of both authors and my mom just said why instead of china film what you just a novel and so. That's what i've done. And so leo marks is is kind of in the first book he's one of the characters Okay calm but i would really recommend. It's an incredibly his life story around about. The end of the war is absolutely incredible and so he claims to then have gone to hollywood. But i'm sure that he was still recruited somewhere. I just can't believe even just the patriots him on the on the dust jacket with a big cigar. The volk dj a looks like a spy go. Yeah so i'm between so consigliere that's my that was my sort of inspiration so wonderful book awesome okay and also. I'm just curious for those listening How would you describe the scott hunter character. Oh he's he's very awkward. He's a he's a maths prodigy and the first book really explores his background. I don't wanna give too much away. But he's he's very troubled character and that's really the whole point to the first book is you. You begin to understand. Quite why is quite so troubled. Any at the start of the book. He's just graduated from cambridge Any receives a mysterious code. He's down there. Are groups of people mostly online. Now think who decode enigma codes from second world war 'cause hundreds of the owner of a cracked and so every now and again like the daily telegraph who publish view these and send them out for people to have a go at see if they can cram and so. That's what he does. That is kind of a hobby is cracking coats. I'm want he receives a code. But it's it's an unusual is not one of the ones that's come from bletchley park or the empire wall museum and that takes off on on his first adventure if you like. I mean it's a an awkward guy with the initials s. h. i. Bit worried that your just telling my life story here although scott you're not cracking any evening book codes anytime soon. I barely crack anything eggs. I can't even crack wheel of fortune. So now duncan chang on twitter actually about the hip chris file originally. Yeah i have my opinions on that show categories of the and say and then you talked about your love the And that's why. I think i was passionate to have you on this episode with us as the follow at four. Nfc your professional musician by trade and had a fantastic school from the fest film and we'll talk about the second. Fill a nest. The school for that film going forward but apart from the Series and your inbox during the spy as you quite like. Oh well i love. John kerry stuff. He's genius alike unlike the social media. more kind of human spy thrillers. So the thing with john kerry a tink taylor for example. It's not really a story about spying. it's a story. About how how flawed these men are and some of the terrible decisions they make in their private lives and for george smile. It's really about. The whole story is really about an issue. Bow his wife and their relationship. The spying just sits on top of it is another level. I love that for the most of the grounded. Yeah and so. I'm len deighton books on just sort of getting into those. But they're very much of that kind of character or slightly more. You know. Harry palmer is working. Class hero is not is not owned yes definitely not A para sailing out running ahead of like frozen glaciers as we saw say die another day or something like that. Yeah he does carry inflatable bat suit to be fair. That's true that's true this little who let's be fair. Well there's a place for the bones. The poem stuff's great phone. It's just different. Yep that's what really bonded. Pardon the pun there Scott was talking about james bond but a big part of this journey of the podcast has been delving into these various corners. I'd obviously like just as a big film. Fan had touched on a lot of these films in the past. Things like spy came in from the cold for example. But it's been really fascinating reexamining these things and putting them in the context of you know when they were created and the real events at the time going on. Yeah i mean. I think spicer came in from the cold as a piece of literature is is way up. There is absolutely fun too. I mean the only person nothing that rivals licari like that is growing greene but the writing in in spy came in from the cold is superb. it's really fantastic. And i hope you're going to do that as a film. Because he's a wonderful film absolutely. It's definitely tackle down the road. But let's let's get on track with today's topic and cam. The question is what are we doing. well scott. We're gonna decide. I guess whether funeral in berlin puts the fun back in funeral with the second. Harry palmer entry. So this is the sequel to the file. I feel like you had that line in your pocket but okay. Let's let's kick off with a synopsis from litterbox dot com funeral imbera lynn. It was going to be a lovely funeral. Harry it chris. File pomme just hoped. It wouldn't be his colonel stock. A soviet intelligence officer responsible for the security of the berlin wool a pays to want defect but the evidence is contradictory stock once the british to handle his defection and asks for one of their agents. Harry prama to smuggle him out of east germany. Not bad. I think that gets the job done. that's it gets. I think in a minus for me to summarize. Well i'm curious as an author. Don't get how does that Letterbox right up Work for you. Well i mean it's a very complicated story. I think that's what i think too. I mean to summit not bad think he the writer did a decent job program like the vhs. Box the tagline atop of that so it was going to be lovey funeral blah blah blah and the actual flow is beneath it. But i have a better ones now. I hadn't obviously washes before tackling it for the film cam identity hadn't experienced before nope nothing. At duncan i know you watched it for the for the podcast but had you ever seen it before. No okay. Well then they never question camp. Do you have anything force in how this film was put together and created. Yeah i do have some stuff on the swamp. So harry saltzman the producer of this film. Who also co produced the bond franchise. He wasn't very happy with his experience. Shooting the chris. File with director. Sidney j fury city. Jay fury was a little too artistic and a little too demanding for what they were looking for as a director. I and so they instead chose with the sequel to hire guy hamilton. Who is just coming off of goldfinger. Because he was a little more of as they wanted a conventional director. They were going to get rid of things. Like the artie framing strange angles. Things like that that made the original. I think actually hold up really well in an interesting way. I think probably dunkin. You probably agree with that. Yeah i like that approach. The whole film is kind of kilted. Isn't it all off to an angle. That's the point. Yeah i know. But i guess in nineteen sixty nine hundred sixty five or they be prepping the one they were like no way. We don't want anymore of that and so this was also going to be a little more of an ambitious harry palmer films. The budget was increased They were using a script from writer. evan-jones who'd really was most notable for coming off of a movie. That's mostly been forgotten called modesty blaise or blase which was a spy. Spoof of the time He also would go on to write victory the soccer drama with michael cain and silvester stallone and for their source material. They actually shows funeral in berlin. Because it was more ambitious it was actually the third of the len deighton Harry palmer stories. And they are really harry palmer stories in the novels. He doesn't even have a name in the novels. But we'll just call them that to make it a little more concise into the point but the second novel scott you're gonna love. The title of on was actually called horse underwater. The return to force hearts. Everyone that's right. And so. I am curious dunkin. If you've read horse underwater yeah. I was just curious if that. I'm wondering if it was maybe a little too much like the chris file. Which really stuck to london locales and had that moore street level thing whereas they want to really mix it up and go more ambitious. Because at this point the james bond franchise has exploded with goldfinger and thunderball. And so i have to imagine they were maybe looking at expanding the world view of harry palmer's well that just makes a lot of sense to me if they've got a bigger budget as well. Yeah exactly like harry. Saltzman makes sense that he would want his back pocket. And other franchise that is hopefully going to not necessarily compete with the grandeur of the bond franchise but is sort of a A safety net franchisee can always jumped to if something went wrong with bond is interesting that they in the first home to stuck with u drab gray london and his follow up when they're trying to be more expensive with some more money they chose to go to drab. Gray germany is bad. About the harry palmer. World though scott icon disagree with that drubbing grave goods the moral ambiguity. It's also like louis and Yeah it's interesting because guy. Hamilton comes in and i don't know that when you watch the guy hamilton style He was again as i said a more conventional choice but he did have a background. He was a member of military intelligence during world war. Two and michael caine said that a lot of the ideas that happened onset came from guy. Hamilton's experiences working in military intelligence jet. That was actually fairly interesting. If you actually google online you can see some Interesting stories about guy. Hamilton's wartime experiences. Totally worth checking out also of note for the female lead. The actress andrzej comber was cast as cement the steel and did shoot some early sections of the movie but had to leave due to illness and so she was then replaced with ever rienzie. And if you actually go online you can find stills of michael caine shooting scenes with nj comber so what could have been guys what could have been. But what's notable is engineer. Comber that same year also released another movie where she co starred with marlon brando called the apple lusa and this movie was a bomb. It's not really well. Remember not well reviewed. But it was directed by sidney j fury so there you have it folks all connected. That's right that's right And so this movie. I don't have the budget on it. I have the budget on the chris. File which was seven hundred and fifty thousand. And so they're saying this. One has a higher budget. So i'm thinking probably in the one million one point two million sort of number A lot of the money obviously was put into the locations Which were low perilous. Because they had a lot of situations of east german guards interfering with the shooting by angling mirrors into the cameras to create light reflections. I feel like that's a movie unto itself but the movie had a higher budget and when it was released it grossed four point four million dollars which i mean. That's not a bad build upon a one point two million dollar investment but the hip crystal had made eight point one million so not great. Not great at all. I didn't remember what the original episode made for. I did recalled made money and it was successful. This feels like it was a step back. Yeah when you're investing more money and getting almost half the return it's not great and if you do the adjustment calculation on that three four point four million equals thirty six point two million now. So that's not. That's not a home run. That's for sure actually make surprise. There was a follow up to be fair. Do you think would bring put off simply on the title of the film. I don't know because the file was such a huge movie and it did make michael cain star. You'd think they would come back for a sequel. Maybe the title is a little too grim Maybe the setting just the whole east versus west berlin stuff was maybe a little too fresh in the minds in the audience. Just didn't want to go and have some. You know an escape to the cinema. That felt a little too real world. I don't know it's very strange. I wouldn't say that. This is escapism. Cinema no no. Maybe it was just a little too serious. 'cause the chris file is more down and dirty spy film. But you have a lot of interesting filmmaking going on. It feels more stylized. You have things like the the brainwashing which feels kind of surreal so it has some sort of popping on screen versus this one. Which as you know you said scott is more of that grace. Sort of downcast look But yeah if you look at the overall box office that year. The top three is very big movies. That a lot of them haven't really held up that well number one was the bible in the beginning. Which was a big sort of compilation of old testament. Bible stories I've seen it. It's it's a. It's a set the have a follow up the bible. The end it's shocking. It didn't really be. Because the bible grossed thirty seven point five million which equates three hundred ten million dollars nowadays so the fact that there was no the bible the next chapter or something like that is pretty shocking. Bible to electric bogu. The number two movie was a film with julie andrews and max von sydow called hawaii which i had never heard of and it was a massive smash. See about escapism. Doesn't want to go to hawaii or the bible a number three. Maybe shooting holes and scott's theory. Who's afraid of virginia woolf which is anything but escapism cinema. Okay i'll take it back. I'll take it back. At the only other notable movie there are some other spy movies. But when we're talking about movies of this era it's very tough to get solid numbers when you get lower down the you know down the rankings. So we'll talk about those touch on those movies later but some other ones that opened this year where like our man flint. The silencers torn curtain murderers row. Those movies performed better than funeral in berlin. And we'll touch on those in the future. I'm the one really notable movie dimension though is This year around kind of the number. Ten spot was alfie. The michael caine. Drama which grossed twenty one point two million dollars which equals about hundred and seventy six million dollars so michael cain may have had a bit of a underperformer and funeral in berlin but he was on top of the world with alfie and we will be discussing alfie probably in the future because the director of that movie would go on to become one of the major bond directors that was lewis gilbert. Who did you only live twice as well as moon raker and You know he did another one in there too. Maybe that's carried them through to the third film at the trilogy. Although it's not technically a trilogy just having the name value of michael. Cain the yeah probably i mean he was a star at this and i look forward to talking about his performance in this movie because i did notice some differences between the chris file. But that wraps me up for background on funeral in berlin. Well let's get into it then. I on record with my thoughts about the chris file. I'm just. I'm going to start itself usually would go guess i but i feel like the the elephant in the room is what the off to scott. Think about this film. I have to say. I actually enjoyed this film. Oh wow okay. This is a blows. My mind interesting. I wasn't expecting that. I found it to be funnier. I found it to be I find it to be easy to get behind as a film. Ashley captivated my interest more. And i think i'm thinking back to my hip chris. File problems alive. I think seems to be to do with the direction of the film. The interesting camera angles and stuff for me off. Maybe i just don't really like house films as much as i like more mainstream styles which i would say. This is in comparison. Yeah i'd agree with that. Although you did like hannah and that's a pretty bizarro movie. That's true maybe it's just the city jay fury style. You're not a fan of maybe we'll forever to your duncan what did you think of this film Well when you when we spoke about coming on to talk about this so i was very excited. Rushed off to watch the film immediately. And i sat down with a glass of wine as is my way and i laughed a lot beginning. I gonna third But as i went on like more and more confused and less able to work out what i was going on and so i'm an got film i. I had no idea what had happened. And i realized that we were going to talk about it so i went back then and watched it a second time but without the wine which is really my main recommendation. So if you're gonna sit down and watch this you need your wits about you. I think it's it's the the plot is very clever. And if you miss one single turn in the plot you it you'll never work out. What north is going on. I'm but i completely agree. I mean this gripe gags in the first kind of twenty five minutes. I just think about the line. That palmer says to ross when he just asked him if he's ever thought about defecting and just 'cause i have a i mean every line is either a gag or a contradiction says I like weeds pharmacy. Won't yeah because they're easy to grow. I've so i liked it but i did find quite confusing. Yeah for me. I really enjoyed the up. Chris file a lot like that one to really just came to life watching it and it was definitely a movie that i'm watching them. All i could think was. Why did i not discovered this. You know many years ago. Funeral in berlin. I enjoyed as well to me. It was a significant step down it. Just i agree that the plot gets very confusing. I was definitely taking notes throughout. It's funny because most of the time. When i'm taking notes on a movie where covering a lot of one i'm writing are more conversation points like. Oh this is something. We should really touch on in this episode. Maybe like a theme or a concept or something that's weird whereas in this case a lot of my notes were just trying to keep track of what was going on with the broom documents and all that sort of thing but my main takeaway was enjoyed sort of the i. Guess i guess you could say even more mainstream approach with the Harry palmer character giving him those types equips but when it came to an overall story that actually cared about when it was over. I felt this one didn't quite deliver as strongly even if like things like the locations in the supporting cast quite strong. It's totally entertaining movie. That i recommend but it's one that i can't I guess cheer for the way i could have crystal. You wouldn't recommend over the van wilder definitely not no well away philistines like me. Maybe but then you're right. This film does reward active. Viewing it definitely a passive film. You have to pay attention to understand what's going on. I i i went twice on this film and and the second thing really helped solidify. Why thought happened. I did miss things on the first fearing. Yeah i mean. The whole broom documents tracing those that i was the biggest challenge for me was the introduction of them and then tracking exactly. What's going on with them. Scene to scene. I found a lot of the stuff to do with the character of like Johnny vulcan kind of does feel. It comes out of nowhere but it's explained well enough that i never felt confused by to me. It was really all fell on those documents. It i could see why people might say. The film falls apart around about the time where the body is transferred autograph. It now i have. I've i've read that opinion. And i definitely understand it because that's the part where you need to stop paying attention or i rephrase that that's the partway your attention. A begins to pay off Because you know really invested in the film you kind of understand why this is happening. Well it's also a lot of the plot set up for this. Is harry palmer going over to help this colonel stock character defect and the entire time. I'm tracking this. I'm making like just notes to myself like this. Movie is so straightforward. This can't be what this movie's about. Because if the whole movie is just harry palmer going over doing a daring escape for Colonel stock. it's like okay fine. That can be entertaining enough. But when you look at the chris file you know there's a twist in that that's kinda bizarre there's really really unexpected You know pay off with that movie and if if this will be had just been defecting this guy that's not exactly what you would expect from a sequel to the up crystal The i watched it and the coffin cone open. And i thought well who the hell is this now so. I don't think that that had been properly enough setup yeah. I don't like things to be spoon fed to me. But i think won't two things just needed to be set up a little better. You know that also because the character of reinhard who's kind of sketchy guy they're dealing with is the one who's in the coffin. But you know that if this movie were made probably now after that bodies discovered you would get a flashback showing how this all came to be and this movie doesn't give you that no it doesn't really explain will it. You get stocks motivation for having him killed but he really after work at. I mean it's fairly logical. He wants to get rid of someone who is challenging the security of the that he runs. It makes perfect sense. But the way they get there is very convoluted y- it definitely feels like something That in terms of you know the book source material probably makes a lot of sense and i wonder if a lot of it was the filmmakers' saying we don't need to over explain this. Let's just you know. Keep the picture going whereas if you had that source material in front of you a lot of this would make complete logical sense. Moment to moment well continue. The book reads very differently to the film. I mean that is the way of things isn't it. yeah. I'm just curious. How does the the book deal with the sort of convoluted plot mechanics. Well the first thing is of course you've got three hundred pages to explain it But the story is significantly different right so same beats as film then no no a meat. Very much in adept asian. Brian open source material. More of a bone identity. Type thing. Those were they. They basically take the name of jason bourne. And that's about it. Maybe some sort of incident in the book that uses their inspiration for the story but yeah they're largely inventions. Would you say this one is more invention or just kind of maybe of like some of the bonds where they take some setup they take some characters but they kind of changed the direction throughout. Us sums it up. Yeah okay that makes sense when you have Harry saltzman producing. He has his template for how he makes bond movies. That makes sense that he would carry that over to this world as well right well i want to get into the individual performances but one thing i did want to talk about quickly before we move onto that is i know. Obviously duncan you are pressuring musician by trade and we we know you love the soundtrack. I think camps. You're a big fan of the soundtrack to the fuss films. Well i that remember it so much myself but straight straightaway in. This movie is outrageously weird. Yeah well i can throw some light on that. Because i actually that comes from the novel i think because Now i'm gonna forget which character it is but one of the characters has Very sophisticated musical tastes and he listens to avant garde or contemporary twentieth century. Classical music. so we're talking about vape. Burn burg start housing. That kind of stuff Is he sort of daily listening. And so i think that the the the music beginning which is post office t to show us how sophisticated everybody in the west is Is taken perhaps from that idea in the book i wrote down. What is this opening track. It feels like mixed between george formby and the imperial march while. That's a styles clash right there. I want to hear that. The ukulele version of imperial march sounds great. Cook and i know they made a conscious decision because john berry scored the first film and they switched to conrad efforts to give the movie. More of a german flavor Do that german flavor work for either of you know K god i hated the soundtrack so unsubtle authorities when compare it with john. Barry one which is so subtle and nuanced so when they went from the west to the east i'm then it was in music and he was so really on the knows it wasn't it was very basic stuff it was similar to. I was joking with scott. We didn't episode recently. Jumping jack flash. How every time they would cut to the british consulate. You'd get the dun dun dun dun you know it's like okay i get it. That's what this felt a little bit like as well. Well i mean if Probably shouldn't get too into this but and the the coffin moment. Oh that was awful with the screaming trumpet. We can see the dead body i. It's just it's not. It's not the way that i think of. Soundtrack should be approached. Personally either the choice. They made with the coughing opening. Is it just trombones blaring into a microphone. You pretty much you know so. It's kind of that almost that movie type of the sixers you would here. Yeah it's weird to me that they would make such a drastic musical change. Because when you look at the success that harry saltzman had with the with the bond franchise bond has very specific musical identity and man you would have thought that he would have felt tempted to continue that with harry palmer. Well the only thing i could think of was that just about this time jon. Barry's career was really starting to take off and so i wondered if he was too busy to do this film quite possible. Yeah 'cause he was being nominated for all sorts of things and quick look on. imdb in He was think he had about four or five films. That came out the same years they so he would have been very very busy. indeed and. I just wonder if he looked thought of kind of donald. I can do with it. chris. sort of like passing it off to the next composer that hopefully they keep some of the same themes maybe instead we get per music. Well the other thing is that. I i think there were moments where they would have been. You say they'll be sort of music adviser so a music avars will come up with a temp track for the film and so that might be bits of classical music but sfjazz that they've found on recordings and agreed with the director to they like that bit here namely that bit there and then goes you composer and say this is the temp track and occasionally Two thousand and one was example of this ends up. The dark just prefers the temp track and the compose against fired. So yeah you know. That's how we famously. I ended up with the blue danube in two thousand one. And then there's anything better than that. I've definitely heard examples this over the years especially even just with pop songs or rock songs and movies where it was a temp track song that they just realized they couldn't live without. That is quite common for sure. Yeah so i think with funeral. Berlin unconvinced base where they've gone to the composer and said this is where we could do. The best of john barry because you can hear. It's like a sort of pale imitation of the crest music So does that mean. At some point the music advisor center the scene of the coughing opening and then just grabbed the recorder and trump trombone Bled into it and said that's what we need and then they just kept it by sixty printers go. Yeah maybe they grabbed a track from like a hammer horror movie or something who knows what was your co owner doing it. This time. see. I think with music. School should be like another level. So it's not commenting on the action which that really was commenting on action saying you should be horrified. It's integral to the story. It doesn't say top of the plot. It's actually integral hopes. The story progress. Well if it's done right it's it's volative. It's supposed to enhance your enjoyment average. You're taking. I mean i. I hate to reference. The phantom menace stall was offensive. I should say but when the of the fights plays in the fight between dolph molin be one and quiet on going. Jim jim reference on spy hearts. What is a horrible mostly horrible film. It really brings it up level. I mean that that soundtrack is extraordinary. I think is probably the last great star wars score controversial. There are other issues of fights off air on on star. Wars schools. But let's let's move on to some of the actors in the film. Now we have michael. Cain back reprising the role of harry palmer row. He will reprise again in the future. Dunkin what did you think about my lynch film Well i think he's great. I the only thing i thought was. I could have done with a bit more of them. Actually he does seem to disappear for sections at a time. I can totally see that. Yeah for like for me. This was an interesting one for me to watch because it felt like when i watched the chris file i m seeing a young actor. Who's figuring out who he is. I mean michael. Cain of duns zulu at that point but he was not a big star that movie made him a star. This movie watching it. I felt like i was seeing movie. Star michael caine like it felt like that sort of rough around the edges actor. We saw in the chris file was kind of gone. You know he was almost a little too confident with the quips. It really felt like he was more of a leading man you know really dominating the frame versus the i. It was a bit more of a wink at the camera. So of delivery sometimes with quips. E yeah it really did and it felt like they were writing more to what michael caine strengths whereas i don't know if that was the case when they did the original it was probably. I can't remember the details but it was probably written without him in mind. Did he got the job instead he because he's supposed to be. This duncan said earlier working class hero. Anti hero gets thrown around the thinking. Man's boned but in this film. It feels like he's more detached from what's going on as if he's above it all mork into the napoleon of the universe But it but he's a man of integrity. Those knee i mean definitely is yeah. I mean he goes. He goes to get a hundred pounds for a car off. I through the film. And then the end of the film when he's about to be rewarded He knocks back the eight hundred pounds right because he wants nothing to do them. And also if you think about the way that is with with the female lead you know. I mean it couldn't be any less james bond. So he's he clearly thinks there's no way on earth or a woman like this could possibly be interested in me so she must be a spy. I admitted laughed. When he he wrote that in his report that he was so aware of his existence that to. He couldn't pull someone like her. And i i do love Ross guy doleman the actor. But ross's take that of like your vaguely like pornographic report do belong tundra in the films. I mean he's a lingerie salesman. Yes yes. She's a laundry model when he meets her supposedly supposedly. Yeah a man. I don't know if you clocked. Perhaps the says more about me than anything but whenever he spends a night in her apartment they're awesome rather phallic shaped objects that bullets he walks. Pastas he goes on his business. Makes faith quit. I was not looking for that. Don't care but i will be now. I'm going back for veering. go to to be. I did make a third scenes. It's a really close a move and it does feel kind of in the vein of harry palmer to the betraying the message that he has stayed the night and something has happened between them. But they don't give you anything or is him leaving the next day because you can see that. The sun's out on the ball aunts and costa bollards sexy sexy bailouts. I thought it was really interesting to and that a lot of this movie dealing with the moral code. Harry palmer is him kind of saying he doesn't have one he doesn't care he doesn't you know he just wants to retire. He wants to defect whatever but everyone else seems to believe a lot more. But ultimately harry palmer cares a lot and it feels like this is really underscoring that a lot of the harry palmer. Act is to give off this sort of Illusion of a guy who's not happy to be there and isn't that invested and that's kind of the strength of why he works as an agent. Y- kills an idiot twice in his film. I i think of all the people in this film. He is the furthest removed from an idiot I mean in. He's in stocks office and he. They talk about stocks past and promises to him. You know what you ought don't you. You're an expendable hero. And that's clearly what palmer is really right and palmer knows it though. I think that's maybe. The differences stock does but palmer knows that he could be replaced in a heartbeat. And then of course he doesn't shoot. You know the guy. He's been told to shoot. He won't do it and not to mention Y- guide elements character. Ross later on says department where palm was saying. Oh i feel like. I might get a bullet in the head and he times and says well. That's what you paid for. It's really interesting to contrast the relationship between james bond and m versus the ross harry palmer and that it's not that dissimilar in the sense of sort of this kind of gruff and a little bit grumpy boss but the way that the harry palmer scenes are dealt with. There's a little more of a sadness and a melancholy to your takeaway to those of harry palmer's place within this world and as you said how expendable is whereas like james bond is played more for a joke here. There's actual real subtext of kind of the tragic life in some ways of harry palmer ultimately he doesn't choose this life. Unlike james bond being aid as a reluctance by Still perot yup see cosc- Dumb with it. Because he's beta because he is not his choice And i do wonder how. Much of the rebelliousness of harry palmer. They were trying to play up in this film just to appeal to the youth demographic especially you know this was a big time the mid till you know we're gained the later sixties where the counter-culture is starting to come up. And i wonder if they were hoping that sort of the harry palmer. Experience would really connect with young people as in somewhat stuck in this world and having to deal with it and not enjoying it in and kind of he's constantly making quips about it and rolling his eyes about like he feels. I remember you know george. Lazenby left the bond franchise because he said look bond is establishment. This is on. Its way out whereas i wonder if they were trying to position harry palmer's at alternative someone who was questioning the system who was a rebel within the system. Can i just ask. Have you seen this bio came in from the cold. I have yes because i think there's a lot of lima's about him about is that i'm disaffected. Character is certainly feels like that's more of the real life of what spy is like. I imagine many tool spies enjoy their work. I would guess not. It seems like a very lonely life. And i think with harry palmer. A lot of that is dealt with through his defense mechanism which is humor. Absolutely you just think i. I like the comparison. You made earlier about Michael cain come into this film in a different frame of mind. Because i feel like he's delivery is a bit different now. Probably not as nice would like to have seen him to the for more jokes in the first film. But that's just my personal taste just to make it a little bit lighter but Yeah over. I still think mccain's got it. I think he's still great in the row now. Scott you're i think quite enchanted by harry palmer's proposed alter alternate. You know spy name weren't you. Oh i am a massive massive fan of rock hunter. Who on earth isn't or does not want to be rock hunter. Now scott dunkin. I don't know if you're aware of this. That is a pop culture. Reference wasn't worth that it is. There is a nineteen fifty seven comedy called. Will success spoil rock. Hunter starring tony randall. And jayne mansfield weirdly enough. I have seen this movie It was because on one other podcasts armageddon. Which is an arnold schwarzenegger podcast. We covered the jayne mansfield story. Which was a tv. Movie starring arnold schwarzenegger. And so i did a little bit of research on jayne mansfield films and this was her biggest hit. So will success spoil rock hunter. I guess was still in the air Just a little under a decade after its release in so they were referencing that in this scene in funeral in berlin boom. He's very good research. That's another day that is accidental. Research kind. Can you imagine how i felt when you know because they clearly picked it because it is a terrible name and mike protagonist. My books is called scott hunter much. Just though i think it's the rock part that makes audio scott sakes. I love that moment though. Because i did. That was a total bite. Years picked up and i said what did he just it. Just nine to come up with. At least i know. There's a background to the name now. near mary. Habit but edmund off. I mean come on to me wonderful because the fact is we've seen bond get alternate names like james stock or james sinjin smith or something like that but giving him this. One is so awkward edmund. Dorf there's nothing cool about it. And i kind of liked that. They're presenting him. As i mean it's almost like they're trolling him at his headquarters there like let's just give this guy the dumbest name possible in. Send him out there. Like they're trying to strip him of his dignity with this alter-ego name. I yeah i still think i would rather have rock hunter myself. I rather stand out the be a total square like it. Indoor even though he does carry around the a suitcase for ladies underwear. We were speaking about him before. But let's have a quick chat about guy doleman return as rosiere and the other returning characters the play by the same actor. 'cause we do have a returning tip as well but i cam you said before when we cover the episode that you hoped he returns and he has returned in true ross full. I am curious though dunkin. What was your take on the character of. Ross chris file into this one. Oh i think he's wonderful the so Oh the boy. I mean he he. He's no time for anybody. I can imagine that he went to a horrible school. Probably a all boys school was aboard. It'd be a boarding school and had a really miserable time and his intent on taking that's out on everybody that works for him. I think he's He's a fantastic. And it's brilliantly acted isn't it. Oh yeah and do you think there's a little bit of jealousy going on between him. And harry palmer 'cause we see harry palmer. Is this kind of man about town. You know the movie opens. He's playing mozart cooking with some. You know love interest. Who's over and then we go to ross's house and he's like pulling weeds in his garden. Like i get a sense. A lot of the anger towards harry palmer from ross comes for many reasons. Obviously you know. Harry being on parole. And what have you. But also just this harry palmer is kind of living the life in some ways and ross. I don't think it's the happiest people you're taking the bentley to go to the bush. Oh no i think you're just to go back to the opening scene with the girl in his flat. And i made a note because it is a wonderful line and they've had this pianist escape. I thought this was great within the bucket Yeah that was great then. And he's a pianist and they're listening to him. Then play the piano on the on the radio and he says who's dot playing the piano with his elbows. That's wonderful now. I quite like the fallout library. Just tells the go that she's useless in the kitchen and get back to bed bonded line to come out with l. connery. I don't think roger moore would have dropped that one visit making a quiche. But yeah. I was great. See ross. back. He was as i said in true. Ross form he was his stuffy old self He seems completely disinterested with anyone's feelings. It it's just about getting the job done at the end of the day. I did miss dhabi. Though the character of major dhabi from the first film he injected and energy into that film. That i kind of missed with the supporting cast of this movie and that i will you know talk about them and i liked a lot of them. None of them had the energy of major dhabi he was. He was a standout. Ba- the file. That i i enjoyed looking back some gretchen. Well let's tackle the litany of bad guys in this film. As sort of a group they will. At times i regret is in bad guys. I think. Mostly there's no one single person is the doesn't flip in this film Which i think the confusing status of this film. I feel like it works. Well here though and that the movie doesn't feel it's cheating. Because i do think you can have double crosses that you just pile up so high. That movie becomes kind of just frustrating and unwatchable. I think the third pirates of the caribbean movie at world's end where it's like two and a half hours of double crosses see don't care whereas this i feel like it plays fair and if you track them it does make sense logically at the. Think about a parts of the caribbean film. I tried scott. God that i try to ask what you thought about stock and the and the actor who played him. O oskar homolka as stock. Yeah this this kernel. that's going to possibly defect. I liked him in that. I felt like homolka had a larger than life presence about him. Ease i kind. Of sensed he was a red herring all along and so i had trouble investing a lot in what i was seeing the character because i didn't really buy that. That was the reality. A i wanted to eat. Been sort of put into a comedy turn to to just raise the spirits of the audience. So i found absolutely unbelievable. He is very cartoonish. Yeah ask clark says you have to a mustache twirling villain in this film. Because he is a a bad night communist and he does feel like a distraction because he is such a mustache. Twirler that you're kind of looking at him the whole time. Which in a way works to what the movie wants to do which is kind of pull the rug out from under you. Because if you're focused on stock this very larger than life character throat you kind of let elements like johnny vulcan and stuff like that slip by you so i think he fulfills its purpose but he was not the like. I'm not going to remember him. The way i remember major dhabi. Nah no no no but The person i think he probably comes closest to another villain. That is memorable would be john vulcan easy memorable I suppose he's he's he's got a memorable twist when you first meet him. You wouldn't think that guy's a nazi right. But no i couldn't draw the guy i can pick him in a lineup and i've watched the film twice. I can barely remember what he looks like. Now i mean he's played by paul hubschmid. Who's an actor. I'm not super familiar with. He's feels like a character. That's a plot mechanic not really a character. Because the way he's introduced is sort of this guy that harry knows but it's all vaguely sketched out. And then you get this. He'll turn and even then. I didn't really have any sort of attachment to the character. I mean to me his best scene. Probably the one where harry is going to take him into the woods and possibly execute him seen. We've seen so many times that something that you know. The coen brothers have played with in miller's crossing for example the whole we're woods there's going to be an execution kind of like you've been on inglorious bastards. Did this as well. I thought it was well set up and staged but my investment in any of this was entirely on harry palmer character. The johnny vulcan character was just more of a twist character mo. He story is integral to the whole films. It because it revolves around the questions of moral conundrum of what do you do if You've got the choice between being a guard in a concentration camp and being sent to the eastern front And probably don't so. I i mean he's another character that i didn't feel we knew enough about him so we got to that moment of realization. It didn't quite sit right. The it hadn't been foreshadowed quite enough. Don't think up to that point but his kind of makes sense because when you're talking about him being guarded cod station camp. That's heavy heavy material. That i felt like the movie didn't really want to engage that much with it was kind of like. Toss it off okay. We know he's a bad guy because of this but it's not like they really interrogate that for the rest of the movie with that character. The film is struggling. Themes you've got you know nazism the crimes you've got zionism and rayleigh interests. Same time of what's happening. The communists in berlin is a lot of geopolitical stakes. Going on around about same time. So stand. Why in one hour forty minute film. They didn't want to dig too deep into it. But you'll right duncan. I don't think that twist but i mean moving onto the other i would say straight up bad guy although he has a very strange dot in the film which i want talk about is hugh bud as hallam. Oh yeah now. what was that intro with. The things that was that was supposed to get with the you found my cat. Is that code. Think that's in the book it was story. But he's a very strange characters. And that's putting it lightly. I think to win. did you get back. Because he's co- conic kubota thing from says well when you get back from china is he is. You ought boom guy. I think he's another one. That's where i didn't understand his motivation. It's all you've got this guy as you say. He's walking around his house on a saturday in no completely bizarre. Doesn't have any change. So asks harry palm afr- shitting for the meter is an oddball character and you don't version right their money. Yeah absolutely because he's in it for the tune of hundred million pounds. It will dollars. I think it was pounds. I think i may be wrong about that. But i mean that does make a lot of sense because when you have all of these other characters who have moral stakes in this game. He is the opportunist of much more. Just there for the cash which Maybe makes him less interesting as a You know as a villain but it explains logically. Why he's there and why he's involved. I mean certainly by him a lot of komo news to get cac this quite scenery chewing with him. I mean unlike. It didn't think it was too much. But he's really hams it up that part. Oh yeah he's definitely having taught. Yeah he's definitely enjoying himself. I was wondering if they were playing with some sort of quick hurting or something like that. But that's not really something today that if the book makes any mentioned hallam turtle in that way. But that's what. I would have taken from the film I mean representation. In films in the sixties fifties is not that particularly except for slight comments. Here and there. And i i did bump on harry during a somewhat effeminate impression of him at the airport later on right. Yeah i mean i i. I'm not gonna lie. I got a little nervous when they went to that Shane new club where it was sort of like to drag acts. I was like in nineteen sixty six phil. What are we going to get here. That's if -i and it was actually thought better handled than i expected. Yeah actually. I was concerned and i always had some issues with representation in the first Fall film a couple of things but they do that quite well now. I just want to mention that that shea new seen have either of you watched monty python's flying circus. I've seen the movies not the show. Dunkin oria okay. Now there's a there's a skit in flying circus about the joke that the army makes to Bisi killer joke but it's german so they unleash it on the front to kill off the german army because the funniest thing ever i could hear it was an basically just read the joke in germany. The time you know what they find is joy in the world is and that's basically the skit but just reading out stuff in german and then everyone laughing hysterically reminded me of that completely way to connect but i guess it was around about the same time period but i felt like that whole scene really was quite memorable like it was the movie you know. As we've said is sort of a grey overcast. Kind of grungy look to it but then you get to see like that. We're really feels like alive because of the location on. I thought it was funny. When the the sort of waitress says to him Follow the man with green carnation right on the the guy gets up and he walks about six feet of club. And that's it. He's a newbie in the game. Who knows he's ending his paycheck just like everyone else. That's right but what did you guys think of. Eva rienzie who came in as cement. The steel she was a minute as i said casting choice and fairly new actress dunkin. What did you think of her. Well i think she fulfilled her role very well. I mean she's the sort of bond girl. I guess is up fantasy. Yeah she feels much like one of the really capable ones in that like you do get some agent characters like she doesn't feel like You know kind of one of the drag along once that they were put in some of the weaker bond films. Yeah i mean the only komen. I've made about who was there is an old seen towards the end Where he goes to her apartment and it appears as though he may have taken the documents from the safe but he hasn't actually and then she she sort of declared her love for him one minute and then tells him to get out the next. I just thought it was a bit all over the place. It was a bit kind of often down. But i thought she was good. Actually i enjoyed watching her. And i thought there was a lovely moment of the very end when she just looks at they look at each other and you wonder what would happen after the film to those two characters. Yeah i really enjoyed her performance. I initial you're kind of like which is introduced as a lingerie model in my head of mike. Oh boy you re go. Nineteen sixties love interest. But you know when we find out. She is with israeli intelligence. And there's so much more going on here. I felt like the actress worked really well in that role. Like you could buy the duality. And that she's obviously a very beautiful human being who puts most of humanity to shame but at the same time you completely by her as an israeli intelligence operative who is using her god-given assets. I guess to pull the wool over. These guys is and succeed in doing so but also has a moral coach. Very strongly believes in as well. In a way. That maybe harry palmer doesn't or at least won't admit to well. She is something much. More tangible to believer in palmas very true poems really only go roster believe in as much is it definitely not. I don't know that. I could ever believe in in general ross or whatever but she's really gold some you know the true conviction in what she's doing Yeah my my two cents. On ebay rienzie. As samantha steele is she came in an film was solving joining at that point and increased my enjoyment of the film. She was very funny to me and also a off. It was quite obvious. She was a spy. They telegraph that. But i just enjoyed senior on the screen. Every time she was there. It just the screen for me. Yeah she definitely has charisma. You know there's some qualities you just can't teach on screen you know wattage that's one of them and she has a film where is a step ahead of most people. She's probably one. The only ones actually managed to keep up. Yeah which is nice to say for a female character in the sixties film. Yeah and she was someone who in the movie was over. I was kind of surprised. I hadn't seen eva frenzy in more movies of this era. Have no idea why i haven't. She seems like someone who you know should have gotten work after this. I wonder if this movie's underperforming really didn't do her any favours. I have a question question if he can just in your research. She didn't mench narrowly. But maybe you've come across it which she dubbed tool because there was a lot of dubbing in this phil. I didn't find that. It's quite possible. But i don't know i can't commit to an answer on that one. I didn't detect it. If that's the case yeah there was just a lot of times where i like her mouth clearly not moving or she was saying something completely different which can just be like eighty are off to the film but a lot of actresses around this time with dubbed by other people. So it's it's always something. I look for every bondra was dubbed at this point You know what. It's not impossible. Because i don't know how good her english necessarily was. So it's it's possible. I've got a question. Actually yeah. is this one of the first one of the earliest of product placement. Oh right yeah What you're talking about. Because i've sat here and my lovely colorful mercedes-benz of course but what are you talking about. I thought was quite astonished to see quite that level of plucking of mercedes and olivetti is well. Well i mean this movie. Sixty six and scott and i recently covered dr no which is sixty two and scott. What vodka was he drinking throat. That movie like it was very prominent smirnoff or i wouldn't be surprised if it was smirnoff. I honestly couldn't give you a firm answer. Yeah like whatever it was. There's like three different cases of that bottle being prominently displayed so no. I mean it'd been done before this. And that was a huge element of the bond franchise. Because that's how they you know offset the cost of their productions. A lot of time was with these product. Placements and harry saltzman producer. From the bond franchise is carrying over here so it wouldn't surprise me if he was using some of those tricks here as well okay. Well let's Let's just do final thoughts in the film and it will get to where we think it sits. I wanna make a quick mention about the fact that it's an hour and twenty two minutes until you see a fight very true and i actually thought of you the entire time. I was watching that fight. Scott did you approve this fight versus the the one side. Royal albert hall in the Well i could see it for still nick or someone is very critical of films. But i like actually see what's happening you know dunkin. You have to come down. Is the one to settle this argument. Where do you stand on the royal albert hall fight in the chris. I just loved that film so other care advantage. Apparently duncan is all about guts angles through telephone boxes. I've i've got notes on that fight. That just says that The actor the fighting palmer sticks his chin out masks palmer to hit. It is pretty basic stuff isn't it. It is fairly. I mean nineteen sixties fight blocking is pretty a pretty clumsy often case and you know it is what it is. I did love the moment though later in the right way. That bad guys gonna get shot. When johnny volkan gets killed when harry palmer. Does that like ninja. Like back like out of the seat. I was like then must be credible. He's like you're asking like where is that. I want harry palmer i to be. His new thing is back rolling out of situations boy. He leans on the bar. And just like for the side of it. Just like disappears off screen classic. Show guys out here loop. That's all folks. i had another question. This is a really minute obsessed question but that elevator he gets in at the east east berlin police headquarters i guess. What was that their own. Your oleo elevators like that people would be killed daily if those real life elevators like what was that. We need more of those sorts of the fittest wade out the week who can jump in a wooden box. The quickest literally. that's your coffin. Hold on hold on scott. We may have a connection there between that elevator and the funeral in berlin symbolism. It reminded me. I when i went to paris a couple of years ago. And you go on the metro round there and the train doors are that you can open them yourselves and auto matic when it stops at the station. Basically you have to open the door to get out of the train and so when myself in hand with i dare Right in the metro around. Paris and people are just as the train is still pulling into the station. They're open the door and walking off and we were blurred away. These brave people stepping off a moving train. I would not get on that elevator. I have to say that is a scary face of machinery. No wonder they will have like and buttons now. Yeah no kidding. I imagine once the the wall fell down. Those elevators disappeared. I did notice though you know. We talked about the style of guy hamilton. And we haven't talked a lot about that through this episode. But i feel like guy. Hamilton is a director. Who's he's an he's one. I struggle with a little bit. And then when i look at his movies i like a lot of them. But i don't know that i would say he's a director with a lot of flare. Goldfinger is the one that will always kind of point him and be like look heated goldfinger. He's obviously great. But when i look at like the visuals of living light die or the man with the golden gun he someone that i've always felt is a little bit flat and i kind of felt that was the case here visually. But i did appreciate. There was a couple scenes where he worked in some dutch angles. Or also low angle shots of harry palmer. There's only a couple of them but there are enough to at least give a little bit attribute tribute to the visual continuity of the crystal. Did any of you pick up on on. Those moments to is is not something. I technically noticed. I felt like this inventory and yet because file was so bizarre it stood out to me. And i'm somebody pays attention to a particularly but this just felt More these this would just safe. Yeah which is probably why they went with a trusted hand as director in this film but yeah. I didn't notice that isn't particularly i. I felt the film just flowed naturally as a normal. I don't wanna blockbuster. Because we didn't have blockbusters those days but as normal film would right. What about did you pick up on that dunkin. It all with the direction. I'm showing sir. Didn't okay fair enough. Yeah i mean honestly the way guy. Hamilton shoots his movies he is more of. I find to be a point and shoot director. you know. He doesn't have obviously he's not going for the radical ideas that city jay fury was but it did feel like he worked in a couple of low angle shots just to kind of capture that world a little bit that we saw in the first film. So i don't know stood out to me. You're the guy. I would trust to get that note. Sorry if you felt it was that it probably was there and say the music of this film is stop contrast to the At least the cinematography has some notes to the original. Yeah right well here we are. We've come to the time where we answer. The question does funeral lynn. Make the noc list now for those keeping track it because filed did make the noc list so will. The sequel continued the tradition dunkin as a Guest i'll throw to you first. Does it make the noc list Well first of all thank you very much for having me on and thank you for letting me say i think the film should be on the nautilus. I'm afraid from for me. I don't think ought to be. And i think the reason is very simple. And you summed up really nicely. Scott you said it was safe. And i think it is safe It's it's a good film. But i don't think is a great film and in the same year when you've gone. The spy who came in from the cold coming out and the chris farley. I just don't think up there so afraid for me. It's no okay can. Yeah it's also a no for me. This kind of falls in that camp of something like the bourne identity. Where i enjoyed the movie. But it just you know. We can't necessarily be giving out awards two movies that are good. You know i try to strive to give it to the ones that are great or at least are contributing. Something that feels maybe groundbreaking or add something to the conversation. This movie is just a really. I think solid engaging spice story Michael cain is really good in. It continues the world of the file but to me. The chris file feels like such a special movie. That feels like it's opening the doors to some really interesting spy stories. When you look at the bonds you have dr. no you follow that with from russia with love and there is a building of the elements. That may dr no so successful whereas with this one i feel like this one kind of shirks away from what made the files so special and is trying to now just kind of be more of a just kind of a safe mainstream entertainment saved the word that keeps coming up but it felt that way and so for me. It's a movie again. I would recommend it to fans of the chris file. I think it's worth watching. I think the performances are strong in. It's entertaining enough and as we've said it's You know it's a story to keep track of for sure like it will challenge spy film fans but it's not a great film in my mind so no for me so that's to know so basically whatever i say now is completely pointless yes but nonetheless we want to hear what you say. Well i'm glad you cam. So as i alluded to the beginning of this. I actually enjoyed this film. More than the chris file. But there's a caveat there. Let the chris fall into the list. I say let of grease to go in and say i enjoyed this film more. I think that's just me appreciating a film. I found funnier. But i i tend to compare this now to his. Probably no comparison anyone's ever made but to the in black franchise. Okay men in black two has things that happen in has jokes and it has the same taxes men in black one but it's not anyway name and in black one and we remote till now ourselves when we covered it recently but this one again has the same characters as it was file and probably more approachable for myself but ultimately is not a great film and it should not be held as one of the best spy films of all time. Even i can acknowledge that. Although i do feel. The film was severely lacking any scenes in a supermarket. I was really bummed about that. I think when the wolverton normal cam we're going to have to get me up in a supermarket somewhere and just Just exchange kids food and mushrooms and argue about american versus british shopping customs. Course and we'll just bang trolleys together until we're done that's right but the question. No i do not feel this film. Should make it on the noc list. It had some good bits to it rewards active viewing and i would say if you enjoy the chris file i think following up getting more time with michael cain is harry is a good thing i just don't feel like it reached the heights of it chris. File and certainly wasn't striving to reach those heights. My only hope now is a billion dollar. Brain improves on this. Well we'll find out. It's directed by ken russell. Who's a madman. So we'll see if that would gets really weird quote you on that one layer so that is a three way. No funeral in berlin is not making the noc list. We're gonna shove it in a casket and throw over. The bill will pass checkpoint charlie But with that the dossier on this film is complete amount as classified now before we tackle what we doing next week. Duncan where can people hear more about you Well i suppose to smartphones to a little plug for the books there on amazon and You can read on your kindle or you can buy paperback. it's the scott spy series and Thank you ever so much for having me on really enjoyed it. It's been a lot of fun. Knows great having you on would love to have you back at some point to talk about another franchise. Maybe five came in from the cold even not a franchise but stand your thoughts on cats and dogs. Oh no don't do that to hi take on the spy genre on The spy who came in from the cold. Oh well i was going to ask you. Actually i was thinking about music recorded for films. You don't have to put off. And i did do a did music for cambridge spies which is really good tv thing. About guy burgess. That's really worth checking out. It's called tom hollander in it. Oh i'm but of films. I can only imagine that you also building out to codey banks secret detective to which was no that dunkin. That's how we end the show. That's the big finale. That's the fireworks when we closed down spy. Hearts is wonderful planet. Okay the guy. That actually increases my estimation of cardi banks. I've never seen it. I don't look forward to watching it up from the books down. Can we find you anywhere else. You on twitter. I see. I know you're onto s. I oh yes. Wash your hands onto as people can find you and tokyo nearby books so if people find me on twitter it's d. a. f. freddie swindles awesome support for spa is brought to you by manscaping when it comes to below the waist grooming. Nobody does it better. Manscaping tech masterminds provide the most efficient tools and spiring spy could hope for when it comes to prepping the family jewels. So scott would you look after your double os while cam as you know. We work on her majesty's secret service and that means sometimes we need to improvise. I've had to rely on all kinds of unreliable methods including bay tremendous even razor blades. 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VIBES-LIVE RADIO

VIBES-LIVE

3:01:00 hr | 2 years ago

VIBES-LIVE RADIO

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Get Your Own Seat: Suzanne Lerner of Michael Stars

Superwomen with Rebecca Minkoff

25:40 min | 9 months ago

Get Your Own Seat: Suzanne Lerner of Michael Stars

"Hey guys it's Rebecca. I just wanted to let you know in case you didn't that we recently launched my first fragrance I'm so proud of it. I think the smell is amazing. I created it for you for me and it doesn't actually involve any compromises. It's vegan sulfate and fat-free cruelty free. My goal was to create something that marked all your milestone moments, but that didn't compromise your and others health and it's environmentally friendly with sustainable packaging. So head over to my website, Rebecca minkoff dot com, and check out my first fragrance. Everyone you're listening to superwoman. This is Rebecca today's guest Zan Learner the founder of Michael Stars she started this company with her late husband Michael so many years ago. But what is more incredible is her philanthropic parts the amount of give back she does. How? She Invest Women and how she took. Some things that was a passionate. This is. Suzanne on. Super. Well. Thank you so much Suzanne for joining me today. I would love for you to start with a little bit of a back story. You know when I first got my first Michael Stars Shirt I just. Assumed it was a man and was so happy to learn it. Was You. So I love you to Kinda give me your history and how you how you started the brandon and then we'll guide in. Sure. You know it is also a mom. So my husband's name was Michael, and we kind of organizes together. And from the beginning I was a sales rep in their clothing industry had few showers around the country and is very cute. Guy Walked in one day with the South African accent. With screen printed t shirts and it was Michael and within two weeks we were dating Haarder's so I recommend anybody asked the guy out on a date if you want to get give somebody interested. So that's of how we started and we realized we were very much alike because we cared about equality we care about making a difference to people and we were both very much entrepeneurship. So I was running sales and merchandising and marketing and Michael Caine around the company. So we had equality there even in the company. Wow and how many years ago was this this is in nineteen, eighty, six. Oh my gosh. So. What was that experience like when you first launch I mean business I talk about business being so incredibly different only fifteen years ago but we're talking with you know almost twenty five back into the math correctly maybe thirty years ago. What was it like launching? I'm assuming you didn't do the do now have to raise them VC money to start my company. At love to hear that journey. No not at all we had a great idea and Michael second mortgage to home. So there was no VC VC money out there there were no banks that lend money to somebody who can chance much the background. He had had a successful business before in the fashion industry and I had a pretty good a wrapping business. And at the time, you know people love new ideas. New Products were willing to give people. A chance is much tougher. Now, you have to have all the marketing the Tom the money back in Europe and We just kind of went out the door and I showed it to my clients and my customers and they got excited I mean our first season. We saw Bernie's Theater Fred Segal remain. Dale's we kind of shot up really quickly. So it was really fun but after two years, it wasn't so exciting anymore we. So what are we going to do next? So we came up with the idea of garment Daij t shirts, which we had already been doing with Spring Press. So I already had a connection with a really wonderful American factory Pennsylvania and we I did a thirty color colored I mean I I could've done forty choas. If somebody asked me am was how we started and that's what we can that one size which is easy at the time and it was a ridden and again it it took off. So there's been a lot of cycles and our career where. You kind of like go have the ups and downs. You have ray products in you know I'm sure what that's like. You have great season and then the next season might be tougher. And we've gone through a lottery incarnations to last the length we have and I. Think it's because I really do understand what the woman wants to wear a really do get her tastes level. So then we came up with these garment I t shirts and then our shine t shirt, which is probably the first t show you lot. And we've been able to remain consistent and have a loyal following I. Love that you know you touched upon the fact that you are great at sales and I feel like people so many people have great products and then it comes to them talking about themselves and their line and they falter. So what do you think magic ingredient has been that made use such than seller because to get into Barney's all stores you named For season as like everyone's dream and then I never got into parties despite you know how however many meetings I have with them. So what what do you think? is outside of the secret sauce of being you your uniqueness passion I. Think you know Rebecca you've got that and the people that do are believed and I think times were different onto they were willing to take on smaller people times very, very different for us. So we were lucky to get on the door. I. Think it was different. It was unique. It was something they didn't see before. And we told the story about it and it could be been Michael I together as the duo that just had that type of personality. He was the same like me you're enthusiastic and warm, and we had integrity and we believed in our products beliefs a big part of it. If you don't believe in what you're doing, you're not gonNA convince anybody else. Totally I think it all starts that that can do that. You have internally and then people can feel that. So honored you keep the business rush because you said, you know after two years you got boards you came up with your next product that how do you feel like you keep things fresh even right now? No Times so interesting now. after the recession ten years ago we re framed the company instead of just t shirts we wanted to sportswear. And we did sweaters and outerwear accessories and vetted welfare us so that we expanded our product range. And now it's interesting because of covid and what people really want. We've actually reduced the number styles we've reduced the amount of products that we have in our grand were doing more casual and the it's made things a little bit easier than this new strategy of what do we do next And we this has happened. I think along the way keeps happening. You do have to constantly reinvent yourself and say every five years you've got to think about what you're going to be your next plan down the road and we just somehow another come up with it like I. I have this idea what people really want to wear and our business. Is actually incredible and we are up one hundred percent in our business this here in our economies and our specialty stores that are slowly coming back. They're excited about the product and realized that they get great quality were totally untrendy but we're not trendy or they can purchase something and intrigue us. Now they'll pull out of their claws at still find it available. Color or body shade and said that they're going to continue to run aware. So just at reinvention and I think anybody that has a product and as an entrepreneur and with a great idea, they've got to think of that next product down the road. Totally. Yet one hundred percent you can't. You can't sit back I used to think. You know all when we achieve. Is. I'll be able to put my feet up and just daydream. Possible. And you know Michael used to be like that I mean after this screen printed t shirts he's like I said Michael Nobody wants them anymore you said what I Love Them Nobody wants them anymore so I ought to convince him to do something else. So it's I think within your own company you have naysayers that don't believe you can do it or don't think you need it and and you have to have that conviction to convince them before it even goes. Butler. Oh for sure. How have you sort of evolved the company without Michael? and and what was that period like? that. was really the biggest challenge for me. Michael had gotten sick. He had cancer and solely over a period of time. I. Started taking over more of the day to day in the company but we didn't really telling me about what was happening. So after he passed away, I actually had a ton of skeptics in the company. I'M NOT GONNA say they were primarily men but I will that I didn't think about breaking down the walls and the silos and trading routine environment. Now, I had worked in a lot of different jobs in my career and I had a lot of different careers. So really knew what I would have wanted in a boss and then accompany. So I took those. Experiences and frame him around what I thought would work for us and I said come on let's just try it. Let's break down the silos. See what happens him those morning huddles those two minute meetings and chuck about what you're doing for the day and get yourself sub setup for. So at the end of the a months somebody came into my office and said I have to admit I was such a nice air bud you're totally right. So we've been continuing to break down the walls I'm now that conduit between every single department I feel like I'm. C. O. C. O. CEO doing running everything. But in a way, it's really good right now because I know everything that's happening every area I know what's happening in marketing and I know that e COM shop and how they dress should look and then go to the design team and they're working out of sitting. And realizing that they've got a little bit differently I can go to production and make sure that seems your happening on that side too. So it's actually been really great, and that's all because of all the experiences I had working in a lot of different companies. So I wouldn't be a Naysayer and say go on your own and not given experience. It's nice to have around. Yeah. Do you feel like having all those? You since Kobe I've had more hats and I ever imagined it. You just named a bunch. How do you stay sane having all those jobs or do you have? Any. Adverse tips for? multitasking. I think you have to run with it and just know how lucky you are to have this opportunity. And I have to admit I don't have kids now and. I live by myself with my my dog and I don't have what other women are going to, and probably a lot of women listened stockists have kids and a husband that's working and trying to do everything and spite of the fact that everything should be slick fifty fifty is you'd miss half to push yourself to keep doing it and I I also look at myself in real. So lucky I am to be worm at. And don't take anything for granted. And just keep pushing the envelope. I do have to say I am addicted spider solitaire. So at night when I finally get a chance breakdown, do nothing I don't read a book and turn on the TV. And I played for half an hour and it's almost like my meditation I gotTa Try that. I wouldn't. Be, addictive. Something right now especially in. High, everybody I wanNA tell you a little bit about the platform. I used to distribute this podcast. It's called anchor. It is the easiest way to make a podcast and gives you everything you need in one place for free, which is what you can use. 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You know you've been doing some incredible work with your grants I know you've been giving donations and grants out once. A. Month since covid started, will you talk to me about that? Sure. So Michael and I co founded our foundation fifteen years ago, we wanted to support organizations that push for gender equality and education. We WanNA chips focus on organizations that that related customers would could be late you. So we funded millions of dollars, a lot of different organizations, a lot of grassroots organizations, and so it's been something we've been doing, and when Kobe I said, we have to do something positive, and since we do look for grassroots organizations, the ones that aren't really in the news and for people to know about we went to organizations I kinda knew about when we created ten thousand dollar grants every months. And March we were I heard about the restaurant workers, they all were getting furlough, and so this gave them grant money. And April because we've been involved for years with gender-based violence work and working with survivors wasn't organization called free from that empowered domestic survivors and We know that's really a problem right now. So many people staying home. and. We support a justice for migrant women that supports term workers at risk and were without adequate P., e. and healthcare. And then I met this wonderful man named beverly. William. Barber who was working on the poor people's campaign that addresses underlying issues of equality. And so every month we continue to do things that we'll be joined. So until under the urine on is what I really love about. This is the community of people that work as influences for Michael Stars that you know, I, don't painting influencers, people that lever random rejoining that are excited about it, and the community of my consumers are so excited and they get you learn. So realized me Michael Stars isn't just a brand to sell and profit. It's about building information for people and Promoting social justice and the end equality and equity for all of us. So I mean I see all the time I get a little. On instagram, some of the influencers are so excited about the fact that we do this kind of work and then I have people saying, what what are you reading? So I think that we're definitely having an impact important for us to have that mission is important for any young entrepreneur any young company to have that mission to know what you want to believe them to know you believe in south specific cigarette, what it is, and then work around your customers want to know that you're doing something. They totally no. You WanNa do something and I love that you've been so furlan profit and you don't have to give me exact numbers but I think one of the things that so many companies struggle with is. You know margin right. So people WANNA give back they wanna do something but did you build a healthy margin into your into your production and sales that you could do that or how did you structure that because it can be overwhelming for people who know how to do it? We didn't we worked on margins that were fairly healthy contemporary margins, but we didn't do a lot of business with big department stores that require you to really work with much bigger margins and then. We did well, and so we were the type of people. We kept our officers small. We didn't drive fancy cars and by Super Expensive House, and so we if she's save money and so we could put it back in and when we started, we didn't put a lot of money into the foundation. We did what we could and as we build up that Sokol, money were able to give more more. But like for instance, the masks everybody is suing I buy one give. By three we give to and I said you know what? I'm just giving masks and then I'm gonNA sell masks and make a profit on my masks and my my wholesale might department store on the small stores that sell Japan also, and then it can give away thousands of masks and that's what we should do we. It's okay to make a profit, but it's even better to to get away. So yeah, you. Just have to figure out how much you can afford to give, and if it's a little, it's a little and it's still great. You don't have to give away a million dollars for it to be important to them. Yeah. So I'd love to hear you know, do you have a value set of how you live your life for a guiding sort of been of rules now, I've always worn my values on my sleeve. And might lend I never thought of social impact businesses CEPA things in all ways the sang no, we always wanted to make people happy which I think going back to thinking about the t shirt or a piece of clothing emits people happy used to feel guilty about clothing. But what I try to do I have this trinity. So it's my business is the philanthropy of what I give away, and that's also part by activism and then my investment portfolio. So about three years ago I knew that what I was investing in my neutral funds were filled with companies that probably didn't get my values, but I didn't know what to do. So I said carefully looking at that and I. Had Somebody helped me and we went to every mutual fund every company and saw what they really were about and what they supported and funded, and we pulled out of anything that didn't fit with what I felt to be who I was and my values. So now I'm totally into social responsible investing gender. Lens Investing Racial Women of Color focused and I'm so proud that I actually look at what I do. And know that I'm making a difference in every aspect of my life, not just my business and not just philanthropy and just want people to remember that the stock market is a tricky place and you WanNa make sure that your values are in your investments are not. SMART. It's it's so easy to just pick up your money with the financial adviser and hope they get it. Right you're right. You have to be so much more responsible than that. Hey, Rebecca I you know country should find an. Accenture name think accenture Oh this accenture, do you know that they that is tired him to do work for them so Well that means it's kids in the border rank. Rank, it is very difficult to keep up with the to let me. Turn around there. Somebody else that's doing something valve with somebody or valve with ours and Things that just I don't agree with and it's really hard to keep up with this. I have really align impacts, Jennifer canning. She's really shootings novel. What mass for the company? What are you excited I? Know you touch Gloria, Steinem do you WanNa talk more about how that's working and how it came about well. Gloria is a Michael Star's lover and has been for many years and when I first met her about seven years ago, she was so excited when she got my card and I was excited to meet her and I was laughing, it's t shirt. It's kind of funny I think Rebecca you probably feel the same team and somebody meets you bad handbag my God you Rebecca and it's and it's fun and it's exciting where. We. So I sit on the Monday shipboard she founded and we sit on boards the era coalition Together. And a call to man and we've been talking for the last year we wanted to collaborate together. So in December we decided we really wanted to work on registering women about and for us women of Color and grassroots led organizations were the primarily in our mindset of where we wanted to go and what we funded. So, we came up with his plan. We found the three organizations, which is black voters matter voter Latino and March on, and we have this whole campaign. We put together a little embroidered Gloria with her aviator glasses and the word vote on t shirts we created scrunch she's. Turned into masks. And the two of US taped on March thirteenth in New York City. We were only high fiving like air fiving and. the the three women founders of the organizations did not flying because it was at that point, there were shut down the city. So we did this video for the day Howard through it and when back to our homes, and then we really do anything I mean the epidemic hits and Democrat hit. So we waited and then George Floyd and this whole rising came about and we waited and we decided in summer it was the time people were aware people wanted to know people wanted to vote. And we felt very strongly that this is the perfect time to do it in July. So what's great about our campaigns as it's my friends, my net were or his friends. Activists Politicians influencers are wanting to do it because they want to make a difference and it's being inclusive. It's not just about what I want is Michael. Stars and promoting my grand it's about promoting these women and making a difference. I love it I. You know you're clearly your passion for Women Your Passion for equality and those who need a ladder Senate down to them supersedes I think if I might say you know you're. T shirts seem to be and clothing seem to be fuelling this passionate in war and I feel like that. So synergistic with my brand, which if I spend more time helping out others, I feel much more satisfied about my life. So. There's two questions that I love to ask all my gats maybe you've lifted maybe you don't know. But I would love to know something we might be surprised to know about you some people like bearing stories or hobbies or just like things that you decide what I would never think that she plays her solitaire. And then the second question being you know either advice that you have hard one learns yourself and WanNa pass onto another woman listening or something that someone gave you that has been really valuable that you wanna pass on. Okay. So I guess the surprise would be people probably don't know I dropped out of college that my parents freaked out, but it was a wasn't mentioned her. Being in school I wasn't meant to be a doctor, an attorney or a lawyer. I knew there was something else out there and so I spent five years traveling around the world working my way around the world and ended up in India. And I got involved in the clothing company. So that's probably surprising but most people because they've probably thought take the traditional route. Which I didn't. and. I just feel like people should know you can really run your company. From a standpoint of. Compassion kindness integrity, you can be successful doing. When I first started in the industry I was primarily by white man and I couldn't get anywhere and I hit a site my way up and I became an entrepreneur because I couldn't get a job in that regular. Place, where I needed to go where I wanted to achieve and become a vice president somewhere. And one of my. One of the jobs was he was working in he was doing something illegally the owner and I was a whistle blower. And I realized I needed to do that because otherwise I would have been the person that didn't have the integrity. And so I quit the job and I started my company. So people should remember that and if you can't get that seat at the table, you just have to go and get your seat ambitiously, build it yourself and don't be don't be scared to do. I love it I. Feel like we could train now it's all day long because I didn't go to college there. No. Now I didn't I you know my parents said if you wanna go that's fine. You know you'll have to pay for it and I went on one college tour and then I was like this doesn't feel right me I gotta go to New York and I gotta start working I totally. Yeah we do have a lot in common. Well, we need to have that time together that we kept saying trying to do for a year. Where it was a pleasure. Thank you. So can thank you for dealing with our tax person, but I think we broke it so. I. Hope. So thank you so much. Rebecca was really wonderful speaking to you. That was the sandler non superwoman to find out more about her work. She's doing had the Michael starts and check out what the foundation is up to with regards to investing women and so many of the grants they continue to be about.

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