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"Italy's number one fugitive, Matteo, Messina denaro, has been detained at a private clinic in Palermo, Sicily, after 30 years on the run. Angelo Santo from the paramilitary police says the mafia boss was arrested in a healthcare facility where he went for treatments Italian state television is reporting dinara was immediately taken to a secret location by police, a young man when he went into hiding, he is now 60. Miss Sanders,
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"Welcome to sizing up the music. I'm your host, WJ. My special guest is independent singer songwriter. Jennifer Messina. Come on in. Take your shoes off. And let's size up the music. Welcome boy, Jennifer. Jennifer, you have received some extraordinary music experiences with the music. Let's talk about some of them. What is a music mental health activist? What is a music mental health activist? To me, that is someone who speaks about mental health topics, whether it's depression and bipolar, any type of addiction, and they speak it through their music, whether it's a very strong telling melodic line that disguised what's going through someone's head or the lyrics or just a whole entire vibe of the song. So that's what my music gets about. It's about my mental health journey and sharing it with others for help them heal. Okay, that's pretty good at Jennifer. So why are you in music? Why am I in music? I loved it my whole life when I was a little kid. I was the one who would jump on the coffee table and dance and mimic Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, like anytime my parents had guests, that was me in full costume and just doing my thing. So I just kept at it, eventually I went to college and I moved out to Los Angeles and here I am. Jennifer, I see that you are also in the Miss America pageantry. So Miss America pageantry, I was in the local pageants. I was misunderstanding teen, I competed in the miss New Hampshire outstanding teen program. I competed in the greater mister New Hampshire local programs and it was just a great way for me to get involved in the community, do charity and not only just sing, but perform in many levels of competition. So it taught me a lot about how to be a good spokesperson and public service representative. I never want much further than the local systems. And that's okay. And now I'm just going off and doing other things. Okay, okay, okay. Jennifer, you went to college. You became a lieutenant in the U.S. Army. Thank you for your services. You in music, you participated in the Miss America pageantry. How did you do all of that? Being in the army, military challenge, being in college, music, and pageantry. How do I do it all? Get 8 hours of sleep. I eat healthy and I take care of myself. So I try not to go out too late or I try not to party a crazy amount, but I do have that work rest balance, and I write everything in my journal, wear a mat, where I'm going, and what are the set class to take to get there. So being balanced and taking care of yourself will help you be able to stay on top of everything. And giving yourself some patience. Speaking of college, you went to Berkeley, college of music in Boston, right? Is one of the top music schools, especially when it comes to pop contemporary jazz more modern music, though they are really excellent and classical. What I liked about Berkeley college music Boston was we could explore more into singing rock or singing pop or singing folk or learning about EDM. A lot of music conservatories are very theater and classical centric. So Berkeley said, let's do that. And we can add the technology aspect, learn audio engineering, learn electronic production design. Just learn more than just singing and performing live, learn about recording and studios and, you know, with music production design and being a vocal principle, I wanted to be able to go into the studio and know what the engineers are doing. So I could advocate for what I'm looking for. So I think every musician needs to know, where are the instruments doing? What is the studio engineer doing? What is the singing and we're supposed to do? You are a complete musician. You've got all the ingredients you know. So when you go in the studio, they can just tell you anything, you know what you talking about. Fantastic. All right. Jennifer, you have hot music out right now. Why did you write this particular at the time that I wrote it a while ago I was going through a breakup and this was just a chance for me to say be patient, time heals everything, working through it, heals. Sitting down and thinking and going through the stages of grief, like that helps you heal through most things in life. So again, the secret to mental health is working on yourself and being patient with yourself. Yeah, patient. Oh, yeah. We can use that here. And Jennifer, you were with a record label at one time. It's just for personal reasons. I feel like we weren't on the same page and we weren't moving forward in my career and the way I wanted to. I respect and appreciate everything that they've done for me, but sometimes you have to evolve and go up and they evolve in different ways and my music is evolving in another way. So career wise, we just weren't matching up anymore. We grew out of each other. Let's cook in musically next for you. Let's cooking musically next for me. This is so great, so I'm gonna rerelease time heals everything. And I've been working on a lot of songs by my goal is through record one and release one once a month or once every two months and get the music video going with it. So I have a music video that scheduled for January 1st song that's coming out on January 1st and I got the San Antonio heels community to be in my music videos from super excited about that. I'm going to Montana in February where I'll be recording and producing a music video with one of my best Friends and we're gonna be using that beautiful mouthy snowy snowy, Wonderland esque background. So we got lots of coming. Things are coming. Do not have a date for time heals everything yet. There are still some logistics that are being worked on, but once that is out, I will announce it to everybody, and that will be my whole once a month or once every two months, a new song, a new music video, and we're gonna keep the momentum going. All right, all right. How can your fans find your music? Do you have a website? Athena, Jennifer Messina, singer, Messina glam, lip gloss, and Messina consultations of music and studio and film productions. Always ready to go and thank you for having me. And I appreciate you for being on sizing up the music. There it is. You heard it from the artist herself. Jennifer Messina. And thank you. Karate all the way to the end. On sides and up the music. Your support is greatly appreciated. You can put your shoes back on.
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"Some Messina recorded hits like your mama don't dance. That song has been recorded by so many artists and I can't think of any other reason other than the generation gap. I mean, was it Socrates that said this generation of kids just do not appreciate their parents, so it's been going on for a long time. Here are full chat on my podcast beyond the fame, Jason Frey, WTO. Money news of 25 and 55. This is a Bloomberg money minute. Restaurants have had the help wanted sign out ever since pandemic restrictions began to lift. Now Bloomberg reporter Leslie Patton says many are finally finding the people they need. Part of that is a lot of these people who had a lot of stimulus money during the pandemic. They're running low on that. Inflation is also a factor as higher prices squeeze household budgets and force more people back to work. Patton says restaurant staffing is nearing pre-pandemic levels, at least at the big change. These larger chains have the ability to offer higher wages and other benefits that some local mom and pops may not be able to afford. Patton says the restaurant business has changed, and it's unclear whether employment will ever fully recover. We're seeing more things digital to go order ahead. That makes it so you can have less employees for. For customers improved staffing may make going out to eat, fun again. From the Bloomberg newsroom, I'm Laurie kofsky, on WTO P coming up President Biden says he intends to run for another term. It's 6 27. There's a reason Comcast
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"I mean, you don't have to share it, but I'm just curious. Well, I think it would be useful for your listeners, even though we didn't quite we did gloss over quite a bit, because after I left Google, having lost the battle against Facebook, I kind of didn't know what to do with myself. And I was like, well, I don't have a mission anymore. We lost. And so at that point, I needed to go through a reboot personally and emotionally and discover myself, frankly. And although it's a cliche, you know, cliches come from somewhere. And so I did go to Burning Man and I had a number of formative experiences. Both with alternative relationships and illicit materials and so on. And I think developed this deeper sense of my capacity. I mean, the way that I succeeded in Silicon Valley from the first ten years or so was by being much more rational and much more analytical. Being very abstract. And that was one of the problems that I had in high school. Where I just couldn't connect to the material because I was always thinking about big picture things. I think after bringing them in for the next several years through a series of both experiments and failures and so on in relationships and learning more about myself. I become much more able to tap into, I think, my emotional side. And to lean into a deeper affinity for and compassion for other humans and other people. It's happened in the early humanity, which is what you were just talking about. So I guess like Silicon Valley pushed us off to the left side of the brain. And now I'm realizing, obviously, that and it was always there, right? I started out as an artist. That we need to actually shift back into the other direction, into that chaos, into the unknown, into different ways of knowing than the purely rational that that is where human experience sort of exists between these two poles, this pendulum swinging back and forth. And so I think for the last several years, I've been trying to develop and cultivate that within myself and in my relationships. And so Burning Man was a big turning point for that because it allowed me to stop being defined by the work that I had done, but by the person that I could become. And that was incredibly valuable and transformative for me. And really, I think both changed and saved my life in a lot of ways. Well, I have absolutely no idea what that's going to lead to, but Chris, whatever it is, I'm sure it's going to be fascinating for you and for people watching. I'll be back here in ten years later. Exactly. Thank you, sir. Yes, I appreciate it..
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"You'll allow, I'm going to acknowledging I'm alighting over the next decade of your career. I'm curious to what degree you're willing to talk about. What are you interested in right now? Because I feel like there's a sense of transition going on right now. Yeah, you know, it's funny. This will probably freak out many of your listeners. But I went and I got an aura reading today at the Whitney and the woman of whether there's any scientific proof that doesn't really matter. It's more like what it reflects or brings up to you in that moment. You know, she's like, oh, you seem to be the crossroads. Oh my God, it's so accurate. Yeah, you know, like I packed all my stuff up in February. I became a digital nomad. My sort of dream, which I wrote about in 2006 to become a vagabond hacker and be able to go anywhere in the world with these coworking spaces, like now is someone being realized. And what I'm both excited about and also have a lot of trepidations about is how human connection and relationships are changing and being reformed in the era of AI and machine learning. And I think the way that we, my current approach and thinking is like, we need to do a lot more work to develop the connection of an individual to him or herself. Just sort of create a foundational place where you feel safe and secure. And then that'll create a better way for people to relate to each other, to interrelate to each other, and that then there's a context for sort of artificial intelligences or computerized entities that we will also have relationships with. And it's already happening, obviously, with the God bots, the Alexa and the googles and so on. But the relationships that, especially young people are going to have to those products are going to change the way the humans interact with each other. And if we think the outcomes of social media have been bad or deleterious, these large words. I'm very concerned about the seductiveness of these artificial intelligent agents. In my way. So I was at an event this week at beta works called synthetic media, and we're starting to create influencers that are pure CGI representations. Even the company that I worked on that I took through Y Combinator called Molly was intended to sort of create an AI that knows about your Friends in a way that Alexa and the Google Assistant don't. And they're starting to be able to, you know, you can imagine like if you just watch the conversations and dating apps, let's say. Like I have no idea what the privacy policy is around conversations on Tinder or something like that. But let's say those that are the most interesting are the most compelling could be mined to create bots that are able to provide you with the dating experience. One behavior within dating apps that currently exist is that people will use these apps and they'll never actually meet up. They just find that there's some sort of human connection and they have a conversation and that's it. I know in Asia having relationships with virtualized characters is very common and very normal. And at the same time, we seem to be going through this loneliness up epidemic. And so you can sort of address that problem through virtualized relations, but then what does that do to the individual in terms of the ability to have conflict to manage conflict to manage self realization or growth or development? So there's this humane aspect that I'm really interested in. In terms of where technology goes next and what it does to us and what we do to it. And one of the ways I've been thinking about this is to, I guess, ask the question of what would it mean for us to relax or remove the dichotomy that we think exists between ourselves and our technology? What if we think of ourselves as a technology like human technology and we are upgrading ourselves in terms of our emotional capacity or our ability to empathize? What if we went back 15 years and instilled the creators of the social media platforms that we all use today with more of these with more EQ? What would the world look like? And so for me, it's very important to think about how we can do that now so that the general while we're in the cusp of creating the machine learning and AI next gen products because a lot of the people who are in those fields are not doing it because they necessarily care about or want to interact with the chaos and the randomness of human behavior. And yet that's what creates so much resilience in society and culture. And so unless we're actually designing for that and supporting those humane elements in our technology and software, we will eradicate it, which will actually make us less will make us more susceptible. I think to distortions in leadership and so on. You're already seeing like a ship to the right in a way because the way they communicate is more clearer than a more liberal approach, which is more diffuse and confusing and there's more context and that's harder to get in a sound bite. So those are all things that I'm concerned about, but I think I'm hopeful that maybe AI, if we use it effectively, you can actually solve for or preserve more of our humanity, even as we become more ensconced in that technology, technologically. You said over text last night, something about a Burning Man experience that put you on this path was that a joke or that was real. I mean, you don't have to share it, but I'm just curious. Well, I think it would be useful for your listeners, even though we didn't quite we.
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"His little sort of manuscript pamphlet about open-source. He was big on parole. I don't recall if he was involved in roughly the missile thing or whatever, but he just struck me as someone who was free web, open web, blah, blah. And so I was like, well, I don't know why these guys are complaining. Why don't we just do the open-source thing and take this event and then fork it and they can have their foo camp up in sebastopol and I'm going to organize my own bar camp and that's going to be the derivative of that event. They document actually tonic was also very instrumental I think in encouraging us to work on that. They had put the organizing principles of foo camp on their own wiki. And so all I did was take all their documentation, fork it. Create my own project. And we should say, if you're not getting it, food camp and bar camp foobar. Gone, it's exactly. And foo was for Friends of O'Reilly. So yeah, I mean, it's a programming joke, but you have to be a nerd to kind of get it. So. You just reach out and say, hey, anyone that didn't go to flu camp. It was a little more like, well, so here's the funny thing. So I'm a lifelong procrastinator. You know, hi, my name is Chris. I'd like to say I'm recovering, but I've been putting it off. And so I've been looking for a place to have bar camp on a campground, like literally I was like, let's do this outside of the city or let's go into the sierras or something. And nothing was happening. And 6 days before foo camp. I was like, I don't know if it's going to happen. It's not going to come together. I was using this app called places. And places was this Mac menu bar app that I remember. It was like pre it was pretty dodgeball. And allow you to check into a place or say where you were. It's sort of like find my Friends, essentially. And I happen to be, oh, so another thing that we didn't discuss was so I tried to get a job at Mozilla, but they didn't want to hire me because they didn't have any obvious skills. And so instead, I ended up joining this other company that spun out of Mozilla that was led by Bart de creme, and that Blake Ross is part of actually as well as oh man. I forget some other names. It doesn't matter. Well, I mean, it matters. But regardless, they started this other company that was initially called round two. And the idea was to kind of do a do over and negotiate better advertising deals with the big search engines. And not only that, but to build an extension store, like an App Store for Firefox, because all of a sudden we had a 100 million downloads, it's like, well, this is a market. We could sell this audience. And so the idea at that point was to sell a bunch of antivirus extensions and all this other crap. And I was like, you know, I don't know if we can build another browser successfully. That competes with Firefox. And just sort of bundles a bunch of stuff. That's exactly where we came from. Why would you do that again? So I was looking at what a lot of my Friends were doing, and at the time we were using a bunch of kind of early web two services like upcoming dot org and Flickr and so on, essentially, share our lives to publish photos and to share events that we were going to. And I was like, you know, one of the problems with these services is that you have to sign up for them and every new service that you sign up for, you have to create a new username and password. This is before there was any of these identity technologies. And so I was like, the obvious place, it seems to me where the user's identity can exist is actually in the browser itself. And so if we add the concept of people to the browser, you can sign into the browser as yourself. You can manage your contacts, and then you can just sort of connect your local identity to a bunch of these service providers and they'll just route the information appropriately. And that product was called block. And so we sort of pivoted round two to become flock, and I was the lead UX architect or head of product, whatever it was, I made up some title for myself, 'cause I was woefully under. I wasn't qualified basically. I didn't want to finish that sentence in case. Where were you not going to go? I mean, sorry my life is typically, I'm just underqualified for most of the things I end up doing. And anyways, so that was kind of happening, and there was this, I guess I bring that up to just that there was this burgeoning sense of this social web. Yeah. And that was sort of like an important adjunct, given that lots of my Friends and lots of people who are ultimately part of the bar camp community were using their personal blog to represent themselves online. And that included folks like Dave Weiner and Robert scoble, all my Friends, we all have our blogs and we were publishing all this stuff and aggravating all these things together. And so places was the way in which I discovered that Ross Mayfield from social text had just secured the rights to this place in Palo Alto that was down the street from the flock offices. And that they hadn't moved in yet. And so he was willing to offer up that venue for bar camp. And so that happened 6 days before food camp was going to happen. And I remember that when I said that I was organizing bar camp on August 23rd, 2005. The number of people who emailed me angrily to tell me that they were going to foo camp and that they wanted to be able to go to both. And then if I just postpone bar camp, that would be way better for them. Could I please do that? And of course, my libertarian sort of pit bull kind of feistiness was like, no, fuck you. You have to make a choice. You're either with us or you're with them. And we started blogging about the process or very open and public about it. And of course, that generated attention. And although my thought was that we'd have 20 or 30 of these new friends that I just made in San Francisco, come to this event in Palo Alto, which is like a big deal. Instead, for that event, we had like 300 people show up. And people literally camped out. They brought tents, they slept under desks. It was like this all night, sort of hacker semi not really rave rave. You know, a situation that was all organized using early web two tools. And had a bunch of just really interesting, important people, or at least people that would become important. We had product demos. And so for example, TechCrunch launched at bar camp and Pandora launched at bar camp flock once the park camp. And there were just like amazing conversations and discussions and wired ended up writing a story about it. And it was like just this lightning rod in a sense for this, I guess, online community to come together and to see each other for the first time face to face..
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"Might have been episode 13. He was his firm silver orange, was doing design work for Mozilla. And he mentioned at the very end of the podcast that this company that he was working with was looking for volunteers to help out. And that was the call to action. And I've been listening to the podcast for a while, and I was just like, oh my God, yes. I love the Internet, and I love design, and I think this is the future. And buck Microsoft, like I want to go help with this. And I emailed him and they brought me in to start working with them. We worked on swag and we worked on designs when we were done. Because where are they at this point? It's all about raising money when you get there. Well, you know, the project was probably kind of in shambles a little bit. If I recall correctly, they were pushing to launch, I think if I recall, so first of all, the project was called Phoenix. It wasn't yet called Firefox. I believe there's a trademark dispute about Phoenix, which is why it wasn't ultimately called Phoenix but of course the idea of Phoenix was that it was going to take the netscape code base, which had been, I believe, donated by AOL. To this new nonprofit. And this new nonprofit, I think probably was related to Mark andreessen. I'm not totally sure. Well, because that was their Hail Mary before the AOL acquisition was the open-source. It was the last thing they did before the AOL thing. So I mean, it's also important to probably keep in mind that, first of all, this is the I believe around the antitrust period for Microsoft was turning into the evil empire slash the death star slash whatever villain you prefer. And open-source though, meanwhile, was being cast as kind of like this communist agenda. And so it was very interesting to kind of be in the middle of this cultural moment. And so anyways, they had this code base for this browser that was based on this rendering engine called gecko. And the idea was to take the underpinnings of that browser to get rid of something called netscape communicator, which was a suite of software, which included an email client and included. I think a news group reader and included all of these things that were wrapped around this web rendering engine. And they're like, okay, let's get rid of all that crap. I think let's build an extension layer. And let's also add tabs. And that was essentially the innovation that the Mozilla project was offering to the world..
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"Business. How much money do you make how many employees you have like all that stuff? I would always check the far right box, which is like $50 million a year, like 2000 employees, like all this stuff. And so they would just send me these complimentary subscriptions for what were like $500 magazines. And so I was eating up all the stuff. I actually have a bunch of these still saved somewhere in my stuff. And I was just so excited about the future. I'm so excited about the Internet and so excited about this whole world and what was happening. And so yeah, so not only did I work for other job. I don't remember. I worked for that web design company, and I also worked for a company called network network resources or something where we were doing the I remember someone was describing network architecture to me and showed me a picture of a cloud. And I had no idea what this was or what this meant. And that was sort of my first exposure to thinking about network architectures and distributed systems and like all the stuff. So anyways, yes, when I came to thinking about college, I was basically like all the stuff that I'm learning on my own. All the stuff that I'm learning in this web design company, this is the future. And I don't see any reason why I would go to college when all I'm going to be doing is reading books from stuff that happened like a 150 years ago. And so yeah, so it was very close call. But I had an English teacher, mister Duffy, that was really adamant about me really giving a hard thought to this because if I didn't go to college, I wouldn't go to college, and that would actually change the rest of my life. And cut off a lot of opportunities. And so I was thinking about doing design school thinking about going to graphic design programs, but then realized that because of all my interests, like I needed to go to a university. And I applied and got into Boston University and Carnegie Mellon because Carney Mellon was further away from home. That's where I went. And it's communication design or something. So CMU has two sort of a split design program where an industrial design. So physical products car interfaces and stuff like that. And then communication design. And that's interfaces, graphic design, typography, photography, probably some advertising, but we didn't really do too much of that. And so yeah, I majored in communication design. Well, actually, what year do you head out west? Where did I go to San Francisco? Yeah. So I graduated in 2003. And I stayed around Pittsburgh for a year. I worked for the ACLU. I built their database and intake system for their civil liberties. Program. And that was eye opening, but Pittsburgh was just too small for me. So I left and arrived in San Francisco in 2004. And at the time, I'd been working with involuntary for the Howard dean presidential campaign, and also had been starting to get involved with the Mozilla project. And again, having been a web designer, I knew that Internet Explorer was what that business was built on, but I also understood that Microsoft wanted to essentially shut down the web and move everything into ActiveX and proprietary control systems. And actually in 2002, I read this paper by this Lithuanian mathematician named Andres colossus that was describing what he called an economy for giving everything away. And essentially was describing the early the early formation of the open-source ecosystem. And this is probably like the Stalin era and sort of those folks. And I was just so captured by this idea, partially probably because coming from New Hampshire, it's a libertarian state. And so we're always about getting the government off your back and going to the Woods and doing your throwing in and Walden adventures. But yeah, so I was like, well, the web is super important. And so what Mozilla is doing seems really interesting. And it's taking this old super bloated code base from netscape and turning it into like a fast spotter browser. Can you do real quick? I want you to do two things. The second one being you just kind of alight it over or I started to get involved in the Mozilla project. But one of the things that's interesting is how does that happen if for a kid from New Hampshire? But before you do that, and don't go into too much detail because obviously anyone can Wikipedia this. But just give us a quick background of the Mozilla project. Sure. And who was behind it where it came from and what the goals were to do the best I can. Sure. So I actually, I very clearly remember exactly how I got involved in the Mozilla project. And that was because, okay, oh, okay, this is all coming back to me. So I had forgotten this detail. So in college, I had started my own web design company, so I'd left leading edge media, and I started my own thing, and it was called Sansa and publishing, had little stupid logo with the section type thing, whatever it's called, I know, the glyph, I guess. Anyways, that's less interesting. But one of the things that I was doing with my clients was trying to figure out how to manage those projects. And the best what was called an intranet back then. This is like not on prem. This is a cloud service, which is kind of like unheard of. Was a product from a company called silver orange. And silver orange created what was their Internet product called? Well, I don't recall specifically, but regardless, they had built this thing, and it was great. And one of the, I believe, programmers or designers of that product was Stephen garity. And Stephen Garrett had a podcast called acts of militia radio, and I believe it.
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"Internet history podcast. I'm your host, Brian McCullough. Well, as we say in this episode, he'll always be known as the inventor of the hashtag, but Chris Messina has been central to so many things in tech over the last 20 years or so. He helped Mozilla launch Firefox. He founded bar camp, where so much web two goodness happened and was launched. He cofounded the first coworking space in San Francisco. He helped Google try to grok social with Google+. Oh, and of course that hashtag business. My thanks to Chris for sitting down to talk about all of that, and most intriguingly, what's up next for him? Christmas scene, and thanks for coming on the Internet history podcast. I'm super excited to be here. I'm glad you made time while you're in town. I think you're two or three years younger than me, but for people that are mostly contemporaneous to me, my favorite opening question is your first computer that was either you had access to or sometimes the more interesting one is the first computer that was yours and nobody else's. It depends on how you define a computer. I remember that my grandparents had an Atari and I would go play that. So that is a computer, but that's not what you would think of as one. The first one that was mostly mine by virtue of me mostly destroying it was an IBM PS two, probably in the it didn't happen to be a model 25 did it because that was my first one. No, I don't think so. I probably would have been after that. But I think it ran probably windows three one and I remember getting into dos a couple of times and having no idea what commands did, but I was like reading magazines and the number of times where it was broken and I had to my dad would angrily come up to my room and sort of yell at me and Christopher. I broke the computer again. That's kind of how I cut my teeth like getting excited about computers and what they could do and. It is funny though even it's weird how that works, but that three year difference got started with the command line and then I remember when we got windows three right and it's like and then I would still anytime I wanted to do stuff I was like, get me back to dos where I know what I can do with this thing. So that probably is very formative for me because I grew up mostly being like an artist. Like just drawing comic books and things like that and my grandmother was an artist and so I kind of imagined that I would be going into art and then when I discovered the computer and like the logic of a computer and how it worked and programming TI 82 games and things like that, like I just, I don't know like I fell in love with that ability to control and manipulate the system and so and yet I would be creating art. I remember like Mario paint was like a big influence on me. It was just a way of getting into a computer and expressing things that doing on paper just like would take forever. Expressing things, what's more powerful expressing things or getting the machine to do what you have in your head. I don't know if there's that much of a difference. Right. I think and you're hitting on what has been a theme, I think, of my career and experience with computers. On the one hand, I've been super excited with social technology, and then on the other hand, it's about that interaction between the memes that are in our minds and the ability to communicate them with increasing fidelity to the computer. And so yeah, the ability and obviously the awareness of what a computer can do in terms of its output potential, but then also the awareness of your thoughts and how to communicate them into a digital form and how to reduce them in their complexity to something that the computer can then reproduce faithfully and yet with some kind of expressive aspects, I think is has been just a fascinating thing to witness. And on the one hand, it's structured, I think, thinking for the last 30 years so that much more of the left brain folks have kind of won the Internet in a way, and they've reduced human experience down to a set of interactive buttons, like the like button, for example, is essentially this kind of explosive zip file of lots of different meanings and messages that was like the simplest possible thing that people could understand how to interact with. And I'm going to know what their state of consciousness and then now I think we're starting to just start to see the shift back towards the right side of the brain. And towards more emotive experiences and communicative experiences and artistic experiences. And especially in the realm of AI and conversational agents and our Friends who we won't name unless we activate them. Our computers are starting to need to actually behave more like us. And for a long time, we were behaving more like the computer. And that to me, I think it's been a very interesting theme to see. And so the fact that you started out on the command line sort of typing direct commands into the machine meant that one you had to know all the commands in your head more or less to look up table of possibilities, whereas a graphic interface allowed you to visually explore space and to see what might be possible by Tapping and clicking on things. Well, and it's also interesting because note that I said that if I really want to do something, get me back to the command line right now..
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"messina" Discussed on Country Music Success Stories
"But the amateurs, the people who do it for the love, were very drawn to it. And the whole purpose of this particular workshop is to have a writer learn how to communicate their feelings and emotions through their words, court a core and how important it is that the listener has the same experience so that when they hear something they either have a thought or an image about it, if it's a good thought or a good image, it affects the feeling. And if that feeling is really resonant than it emotionally affects the person, I don't know that any of them have become hit artists, but becoming a hit artist is not so much whether you wrote a good song or can seeing it so whether or not you're being promoted, you're being signed, you're being put into the marketplace, and in some cases, some of these people can not do that. I mean, it is so hard physically to take that road emotionally and some artists, the drugs hit them, it's alcohol. Some it's just exhaustion. I think anyone who an amateur who loves to write and loves to sing and can express themselves are doing a hell of a good job at what is needed to be done. It's not important to become a hit artist. This is such a huge body of work, and you've been doing it for a long time. And I think that makes you pretty iconic. So the next couple of questions I'm going to ask, we ask someone of your stature. Number one, what is the best piece of advice you've ever received? This can be personal or professional, that might help one of our listeners today, listening to country music success stories. My attorney said to me that it's important for you to realize that success is really economic independence. And in order to develop economic independence, you have to make good choices with the people that you work with. I was fortunate because I wanted to be an engineer, and I was an engineer early in life from around 17 to 18 years of age. And I ran across situations where somebody would give me some pot smoke or give me a little bit of hash to smoke or give me a pill to take. And I realized that whenever I had smoked something, when I listened to what I had done as an engineer, it never sounded as good the next day. And also I didn't like feeling paranoid, and I didn't like doing something illegal. So that sort of fell off the stick. I tried taking a pill one time they call them West Coast turnarounds in there. They're what truck drivers used to take and apparently they're supposed to make you really feel creative and I took one and then I was up for three days and boy I didn't feel creative, but on the third day I thought I was gonna die. My heart was racing so fast I couldn't go to sleep and
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"messina" Discussed on Country Music Success Stories
"I'll step back, let him open the shows, and then we'll bring the span and we'll make it exciting when it's after the tour is open to initial release of sitting in I pull out and then now I've got an artist that I can produce as I had agreed to do. At first he said, no, but he said he'd go along with it. And the reason for it have to give him the credit for this is that he was so used to and most record companies the same situation as a producer I see this all the time. They invest a lot of money in an act in many cases in those states they also invested tour support because there wasn't any money. And all of a sudden, for one reason or another, whether it's drugs or ego, it's just bad luck. The groups break up. You know, they got a couple $100,000, but in there and in those days, a couple of thousand a lot of money, he just didn't want to see that happen. And so we went out. We did the tour. And the audience just they were blown away. You know, a lot of the way that you built that great big fan base too was playing in a lot of colleges. That's right. College age kids just fell in love with this whole logins and Messina idea. Absolutely. By the way, eventually called me and said, this stuff is been so successful. He said, I really would like you to consider working with Kenny as a duo. And I said, yeah, but I can't do that and produce, you know, 6 records a year, you know? And he says, you know what? I'm willing to forgo and forgive all of that. If you will be willing to work with Kenny, and just produce the records for him, he says, you know, if you do one or two albums a year, and there is successful as these, you know, I would be thrilled.
Country Music Success Stories
"messina" Discussed on Country Music Success Stories
"Musically, and sound wise and color wise, just like as a painter, you know, you use reds to pop forward and blues to fall to the back and you do the same thing when you're mixing and so we started playing with it and I noticed that he could play well on the guitar he did really good job and so as time went on and I started realizing he was working as a songwriter for ABC dunhill I think it was. They hired him as a songwriter for a number of reasons because he loved to write songs, but he also had an epiglottal in his voice that he can make himself sound like anybody he wanted to. He could sound like Elton John Leon Russell, James Taylor, you name it. And they love to say, hey we need a James theater. Okay, I'll write that. And an Elton John song back to Georgia was very much think about it as very much an Elton John inspiration. And I began to look at that as you know what? Maybe this is what I can use to get him to step out of the folk stuff because naturally I think wants to do it and he grew up listening to his brother's what they called R&B or race music in those days and he loved that. I worked with him more and more and I began to see that he was capable of doing something that I was not capable of having happened in poco. And that was able to be diverse in not only the songs, but the music so that he would have a better opportunity. To be listened to. You ended up being called at least everything that I've read and accidental duo. So you kind of had to be talked into staying with him. The idea was to just do one record together with Jim Messina sitting in. As we started to go along and I started finding his band members, merle and Larry were in a group called the sunshine companies to open up for poco and that had dissolved.
Country Music Success Stories
"messina" Discussed on Country Music Success Stories
"Which was our undoing because it was too early. And what happened is we take the music to a country station, they couldn't play it because it was too rock. We take it to Iraq, station was two country. Even though we sold out every show, I mean Boston was one of the places that we just, you know, you could never find an empty seat, but you couldn't find a record sold. It was one of those situations where as proud as I am of what we've created, it also is sad to think that we'd never sold enough records to be able to keep the band together. I think my wife and I survived on a $125 a week in poco. And it was just, it was just getting to be not enough to be able to make ends meet. Your sign to Columbia Records as an independent producer. Flash forward to an unknown singer songwriter, guitarist named Kenny Loggins. Tell us that story. When I was on the road finishing up the poco record, I got a call from Don Ellis, who had been hired by Clive Davis to work in talent development at CBS. And he said he had a partner who he had worked with at tower records Dan logins, who had a little brother, they thought he was very talented and was wondering if I would listen to some of his tapes. And I said, you know, I really can't do that now. I've got to finish this poker record. I said, but I plan to be done by November. I said, when I get back to town, where does he live? He's the way he lives in LA and is great. Serpent appointment will meet. So I get a call from Kenny. He calls and I said, well, listen, why don't we come over and we'll have some dinner at our place and my wife and I decide to make some tacos? That's easy, right? Shows up at the front door and here's his tall lanky guy wearing a pair of Levi's that ran a baggie and part in his hair and a beard and braces on his teeth. Braces? The braces on his teeth. And come on in. He comes in and we chat and he's very personable and so I said, well, can I listen to your tapes? And he says, well, I don't have any tapes to play. And I said, oh, okay. I said, well, why don't you grab your guitar and just because I don't own a guitar? So I'm thinking what have I gotten myself into here by doing this? And I was kind of not sure what to do next. So I went over to my closet. I said, I got a Martin or I have a catgut string or whatever. Oh, I'll take the cat get so he takes the nylon string guitar and I said, there's the microphone. Here's the record button. Go at it. So he starts playing and he plays Danny's song and how super corner he does, I think the HeLa.
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"messina" Discussed on Country Music Success Stories
"Music city mentor JC Dodd valaris. Now, here's your host. I gotta be honest, jaycee and I were beside ourselves as we headed to the home of Jim Messina. There we were in her little silver Toyota Corolla winding our way down country roads lined with white open rail fences and horses grazing. We were tooling along singing, you guessed it, your mama don't dance and your daddy don't rock and roll. And of course we did this at the top of our lungs. I'm serious, it was crazy. But here's the thing, we may be interviewing country music icons on this series, but we are fans of the artists and the music first. And when you think about the career of Jim Messina, there's a lot to talk about. His legacy of musical genius spans 5 decades, and it includes groundbreaking work with buffalo Springfield, poco, and logins and Messina. He's also got a stellar solo career that thrives to this day. He is also the creator and the facilitator of the songwriter's performance workshop, where he gets a chance to mentor, singers, and songwriters. Now, you may know him as a gifted guitarist, a singer and a songwriter himself, but Jim Messina is also a stellar producer and a highly skilled sound engineer, with a real ear for talent. You know, when somebody is really gifted and really talented, it's really apparent. You don't have to have a lot of hype and a lot of bullshit. You don't have to be wearing funny clothes or funny hats or no clothes. It's just there. We couldn't wait to sit down with this icon to talk about hit songs we all know by heart and everything in between. As we made our way through the gates of his farm, there he was. Waving from his wraparound porch. Jim greeted us with such warmth and openness. And let me tell you, he is a great storyteller. We settled into big leather couches in his living room, and I pressed record on an interview that is one of the most authentic and inspiring conversations we've had so far. Jim mesa is a real California guy who came of age in the 1960s. So I asked him to tell us about his early musical influences. Well, see, I started being interested in music really interested in it in the 7th grade. That's when I first started listening. And my dad was a musician, so he helped me to learn the guitar become familiar with it. By the time I graduated the 8th grade, I loved living at the beach. I thought I was going to be a beach bum and enjoy all the beach bunnies and all that stuff in my parents decided to move to the inland empire which was in Colton California between riverside and San Bernardino. That's all future farmers of America. There's no ocean. I was just bummed.
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"messina" Discussed on Let's Talk About It
"And i love that image that you brought up and i know what you're saying like oh that's big picture how we definitely can see in our own lives but i know like in the suffering. We can't always see it or feel it. But i like how god also does leave us the room to be angry to be upset to struggle with him. But he's like here. And i i'm suffering with you like ice suffer through the messina's the brutal parts of life like we can look to his crucifixion. And see you know the suffering that he has gone through that. It's okay to to struggle to suffer to be angry with god but to note that he's always there to meet us in those deepest wounds that my deepest wounds aren't more powerful than his healing love. And i know in my own life. He the most experienced god is in those wounds and him coming deeply into those wounds and healing me and it's only after i can look back and see. Oh my gosh yes like. Thank you for that suffering Thank you for that struggle. Now i can be a blessing to others now. I know your love more deeply because you touched me in those places that i didn't want anyone to be and yet it's crazy how we can look back and say like oh well. I'm actually thankful for that suffering. Even though i know it wasn't god's original plan for me. Yeah but he's he. He will work through everything we offered him. And that was such Such a gift and so grateful. Yeah so now you know obviously now you have the privilege of walking through healing for quite a while now so you. Can you know you've had victory over. You know certain symptoms of your ptsd and you can look back and see the healing and the beauty and redemption. That has taken place but there was a time in your life where that wasn't the case you were in the thick of it in the midst and it just felt like pain so for someone..
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"messina" Discussed on Seeking Wisdom
"Like why they all everyone wants focus on this stuff when all the real stuff is right here and they would always ask me like you know these activities that we would do in these kind of marketing and brand building things. Like how do you know it works because you can't measure in and i'm like because we literally the person that were marketing to the customer. The brand told me and they told me like just told me either. They did it. In you know video tax you know social or even face to face and then it was funny. Then we'd have this whole conversation with groups of we get to the end and they would say so. How do you know it's working. I'm like this lunacy. Because they told me like we have to beat because it doesn't exist in google analytics does not mean that. It doesn't not working but so amazing that you know that in the idea that everybody can chase those same analytics. The only thing you have left is this like the only thing you have left to differentiate is your voice your personality what you stand for the values the purpose built on all of that. That's the only thing we can give consumers that gives them any real choice left. The rest is in the back end and we can all optimize it and to your point. It's like it's like a really efficient factory where we can't get much more efficient back here but right and so we have to play with. The only variable that is truly a variable true variable. How do you choose companies now to advise them to work with like an and ones that hopefully we'll get what you're saying versus not yes. I advise in three different pillars. Want us to mckinsey and with them. They this amazing client base. And i feel very lucky to get brought into some of those incredible conversations trying to solve huge problems. I don't choose them as much like. I usually take the assignments as they come most often. They're always very high-quality clients. The ones who i truly choose are really trying to point my energy in my efforts to companies that are breaking conventions from the twentieth century. So a lotta that. Sometimes that means troublemaker. I love it. Yeah a bit like better food. I really my husband's put his whole rest of his career now into really disrupting the food system and looking at food waste and reducing footprints and things and so looking at better food better beverages like all aspects of that right. They don't always have to be even perfectly healthy. I'm on. I'm on the board of a wine company but it's really stinks to the source guinea to know the maker how it's sustainably sourced. How're doing it like things that are just really trying to go about being better. I'm having conversations with companies. Join me having things like spaces. That are companies. That are really trying to help. The world in terms of mental health stigma that we had the twice infertility. I'd love those companies that clam based these are just think if i look back on my own career goal. Okay i this chance to learn from some of the world's biggest icons but now how can i help. Companies kind of on a path that takes short circuits of my twenty thirty years of experience. It just.
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JIMENA: Mizrahi and Sephardi Voices
"Ovid is a dancer and choreographer from aden yemen. She moved to israel as a girl in nineteen forty nine and became a founding member of the inbal dance. Company marguerite recorded her oral history for the gemina oral history project. In two thousand eleven gimenez stands for jews indigenous to the middle east and north africa region that jewish communities thrive in for over two thousand years until the twentieth century. When a million mizraki sephardi jews fled and were forced out of the land of their ancestors. The san francisco based gemina is working to preserve that rich heritage and history producer. Asala sunny poor recently sat down with sarah levin gimenez executive director to talk about some of the stories in the archive as well as their own family histories. A saw worked with sarah on the archives many years ago sayre you and i worked really closely together while i was in college My very first internship ever was with jim messina and working on this oral history project. I like to think that it's what really launched my love of storytelling. I wanted to start by asking you. Why do you think it's important to preserve these stories as told in the words of those who lived it. So i am so happy to be doing this with you a saul. I think that judaism as grounded and stories like that is the legacy of our people. That's the foundation of haha. That's the foundation of what it means to be jewish as passing on stories Were the combination of thousands of years of stories and in regards to gimenez oral history project We collected stories of communities of people who who hadn't been given a platform to share. They hadn't been given a microphone. They hadn't been given an opportunity to talk about what happened to them when they lived and fled countries throughout the middle east. North africa and their stories are an incredibly critical part of contemporary jewish history. And where we are. Today with establishment of the state of israel nineteen forty eight posts showa post arab nationalism and uprisings in the middle east and north africa there was a major disruption of over two thousand years of continuous jewish life in the middle east north africa. Kinda came to an end and that is a huge part of the jewish story. And we have this very unique opportunity to collect the stories from the people who lived through this historical moment in time and it was an honor to collect these stories and hopefully add them to the record of jewish
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The Exam Room by the Physicians Committee
Here's The Truth About Soy
"Messina. Phd is here with me today. Welcome to the show dr messina. Thank you for inviting me. It's a real pleasure to have you here and this is a topic that comes up quite a bit whether we're doing the live. Qna's with viewers or. We're just taking questions in our mailbag. Everybody always wants to know about soy. There's so much debate surrounding soy. That has been so pervasive for so many years. Why do you think it is that. Soy is such a hot topic. Well there are lots of reasons and you're corrected his a hot topic and it's a controversial one in many respects one. Reason is that there are about two thousand scientific articles published each year on swipe foods so you think over the past twenty or thirty years. There's about fifty thousand articles. And if you cherry pick the data you're able to make a convincing argument for just about anything you want to say. But what's important is to look at the taliban of the evidence and to really focus on the human research the clinical study is the observational studies. And when you look at the human research is pretty clear. That's so i can make an important contribution to a healthy diet. And why is it that that animal based research doesn't necessarily always translate to human results. When you can make an argument that were so closely linked to other primates. Well i think it's pretty clear about first of all. Most of the research has been conducted in rodents and for all sorts of reasons. They're not a good model in general but especially because or especially in the case of soy because soy foods contain a rather interesting compound called eissa flav owns is aflame. Owns at come for why so much. Research has been conducted on soy and it turns out that the animals metabolize eissa flavors very differently from humans. Now animal studies are a part of the scientific literature but fortunately in the case of soy. They're literally hundreds of clinical studies that have evaluated not only benefits but also safety and also hundreds of observational studies. That have looked at those end points so we really have a wealth of information upon which we can make conclusions about the health effects of soy based on the human research.
The Paul W. Smith Show
Moderna announces COVID-19 vaccine trials for children
"Vaccines, this time with Children covert vaccine maker Moderna is working on trials to test efficacy on kids. Evan Excell bank reports The drug company is now enrolling 6700 additional kids age six months to 12 years. To ensure the vaccine is safe for them to the key, says Johns Hopkins Pediatric infectious disease Doctor Allison Messina are one making sure they're still undeveloped Body's absorbed the drugs the way adults do, and to pinpointing the right dosage amount for smaller bodies with the fewest side effects. They go to younger and younger kids. What they do is they start with the best tolerated dose and in that adult group And then they'll kind of see if they do better at lower doses. Doctor Messina says it's still critical to inoculate Children because they can still spread it. In an interview
Daily Sales Tips
The Voicemail That Gets a 70% Callback Rate
"Most salespeople. Hate leaving voicemails. Now he asked him why most them say well because they don't call me back and reality is you're right. You're absolutely right. If you have the wrong voicemail. So the next few minutes. I'm a teacher my voicemail scripting that gets me over seventy percent callback where the have taught to literally thousands of reps over the last decade. You step by step exactly what to say how to say it. So as you'll listen to this only to really listen to the tone. And the words i say and also explain the why. It's so effective now. First off most within leaving voicemail at south something like this hey scott. It's marcus shannon with abc company. Hey i'm giving you a call. Because i wanted to show. His great solution has xyz benefit one time and calendar. Here's my number blah blah blah. Now you might get some calls back off that but it's usually pretty religious very very small percent. they'll call back instead. You want to shift it to this. Hey scott it's marcus. I'm calling in reference to abc company. Please going back on my cell five or one to two one nine nine nine nine again. Five four one two one nine nine nine. Thank you boom. that's it notice there. The tone it's firm. it's not enthusiastic. It does not sound like a sales person. So that by itself is a pattern interrupt. They're like ooh what's this all about. The second pieces knows how limited information you gave. I didn't say it's marcus chin. Said it's marcus when he say it's marcus or it's your name the first name the psychology behind is they recognized as a. How should i know this person So they're going through their heads into the voice mail now he's to peak some curiosity and then the piece is north. Korea didn't instead named company. You're working with us. Dropped a reference in our reference should be an existing company. You do business with so now. They're like oh what's this all about. So now what's happening is you provide a limited information. You're told is firm. You don't like a salesperson and now ukraine fomo in their in their mind fear messina. They're not sure why you left voicemail and as a results that will lead to a higher likely to them listening to it and call you back now. Have you also noticed as well. It's very short. Voicemail maybe fifteen twenty seconds long so easy and fast for them to listen to and be able to decide what to do next. And here's what's really powerful. Let's say for example. Yuli voicemail on a monday and you wait two days and you decide to call them again. Wednesday and you'll leaders zack. Say message again verbatim with nothing changing. Think about if you're on the receiving received to the same voicemail of someone standing firm and preliminary information in which their tone is creating. Its firmin's now your chance of them call you back increases. And what's amazing is when you do as consistently with every single voice you will see. You will get more calls. Because they're not sure why or call and when they're calling you they're guard is down and they're more open to the conversation okay and there are thrown off. That's very powerful state to have your project and when they're calling you and i promise you do consistently for every single call the exactly verbatim how i said the tone. You will get more called the ever gone before and i have had reps who say. I'm not sure i was going to work for me. But then they commit to for a full week. Every single the voicemail. They saw got more calls back than error. Of course more practice with tonality in the firmness you will see. Your converses will also skyrocket as a result.
Data Skeptic
Robust Fit to Nature
"I enjoy bringing neurologists on the show from time to time as I'm going to do today. In invariably I work in some sort of question about how different the brain is from the machine approach to intelligence. How apples to oranges? These things are in many ways that's fair, and we may eventually develop Agi in some exotic way that bear similar resemblance to our existence, just a computational process that exhibits this property called consciousness who knows but as often as I say it's apples to oranges. It's I. Don't know honey crisp to gala or Fujita red. Delicious Carl Sagan said about Apple Pie the point being that. If you frame it this way, the brain is a highly over parameter. Is the machine yet? It's still learns pretty well. We also have artificial machines that are highly over parameter. That's a complication for us there, so maybe just maybe there's a roadmap somewhere in here and things like evolution in urology can point the way forward. Along. This week on the show. I'm talking to reassign one of the authors on the paper, robust fit to nature, an evolutionary perspective on biological and artificial neural networks. Can't. My name is Alexa. I'm Apple Festival. Neil scientists. According to Department at Princeton, university, or can you tell us a little bit about your specific interest? Within neuroscience, we study out the human brain function in the real world, severely using naturalistic setups and care a lot about our people communicate the thought people, non woods and neuroscience and fields. I may be more familiar with like computer, science and machine learning. Certainly, there's some overlap and collaboration, but we're not known for collaboration per. Se yet I know for meeting some of your papers in particular the. The robust fit to nature paper. We're going to discuss. You have a strong fluency in these tools, so I want to ask you. At what point did you become interested in machine learning so relatively recently, I was saying the last five to ten years. What is unique about my? We understand other brain is operating in life, not realistic setups, so we really don't usually use a lot of the control experiment that are used in cognitive sokaia Daniel signs so most of the modeling and competition. Competition Walk in our food was not given to us because it was never applied to listrik setups excitedly sounded like a black tool in in Messina attention to have modest that sort of cognitive problems. For example you have minded cocoon is faces as good as humans. Instead they ask why these like new models are coming out of fill in computer science. Oh, by companies start to slow cognitive problems in life and second to ask out of this mother's relevant to kneel. Scientists are quality. There's. There's a lot of I. Suppose perspectives on this. Certainly the way of human learns in the way machines currently learned I guess some similarities, but they're quite different. Are we even in a place where we can have strong discussions about this, or is there something exotic Lee apples to oranges about the way machines in the human brain work? It's a good question I think. If you ask most of the people in my field, they will say well, not so, what actually really relevant to in? Kings? It was so different and if you look at the Tilles, that people use now to think about the way and psychology and cognitive functions it will also look very different. But the more we looked into this modernist related, actually that they might be to the same family of models as human brain and amusing details, family of models to say that the obviously a lot of differences between biological networks in official neural networks, but we now think that they might belong to the same family of and broadly speaking. What is that family? Can we characterize it in some mathematical way? We. Can I take what unique about? It down models. What is the time to act down model? The title understand and let me explain if you think about go back to the example of faces face net is a model tied to give the proper name, the Labor of the name of the face. We Batticaloa image. If you think about language modern, it's modern to predict the next world in sentence or complete a sentence if you think about driving a car. To drive, so if you think I'm GonNa, sit downing. It's what I to act in performance. Pacific function and they don't think down what a tight to understand the world. To Act in the world, and we stopped to think that the brain also have is like when without desire to act now brain designed to acting six and not designed to understand the situation, and this is very different perspective. Perspective of must people in our field I think actually the to understand other lengths factor so I will give you an example Devesh simple example in I. think it will help us to think let's say I. Five Thousand Points that will simple from Pablo, if a student of mine will come we ten thousand parameters to predict it's like. Like ten thousand nine points or not scientist. He didn't gain any understanding, Abud, on the next track so I really unappreciated if he understood that Pablo can be monitored by CLAMATO.
Hysteria
Former Congresswoman Katie Hill Does a Postmortem on a Lost Congressional Seat
"When the news is bad? I know that it is tempting for me to tune out but I also know that sometimes examining bad news and figuring out how to learn from it is a good thing so with that semester. Monaco and I are starting this week. Show with the conversation with former California Representative Katie Hill. Katie resigned from her seat last October and in a special election last week a Republican one bomber. So where do we go from here? Let's ask Katie are welcome Katie Hill. Welcome back to hysteria. We're so happy to have you back. Glad to be back. Thank you first of all. How are you doing man That's like a loaded question. I feel like I'm you know I'm I'm okay. The results the election were pretty horrible. You know in a way it was of what we were expecting. But you obviously didn't ever want and at you know it's just like one thing on top another in life in in figuring a way to get up in Russia yourself off in new forward was I was again when I was a kid. Reverses a still own a horse and the biggest thing that you were taught was being you fall off you get back up and get right back on and that's just kind of against what length is so drilling down into that trauma? A little bit last week was was the special election in California's twenty fifth for everyone listening. What happens and were you surprised when you say what happened do you mean why did we lose or yeah yeah why Jillette. Why did why did why did she was. Yeah well I think the biggest chapter honestly is just people in a special election. Democrats don't show up and you've got the rented. Republican base. That was particularly riled up because of my scandal and excited the opportunity to take a seat back. I mean that was that was literally what they were plotting. They were trying to you. Know to find something they. They found something. They exploited it. They got me to resign and this officers their opportunity to take back. The seat they felt was stolen from them in the first place remember. It hadn't been held by a Republican ever in its current form and they really did not think that it's possible for someone like me. Let alone any Democrats there So I think that they really rallied around this opportunity and from what we know they actually did some very despite the fact that you hear them complain all the time about ballot harvesting. They had some very organized efforts around ballot sting and Them for figuring it out. Because like you know that's to me it's about helping people be a but the churches were really mobilized in getting people to providing drop off centers. And saying that they're gonNA mail to use of swing by the church in you know do it in your car or whatever and we just didn't have something like baton. I think you can also partly attributed to the fact that Democrats were pretty disenchanted by things right. Like you're GONNA be really really frustrated works so barred and felt like you were. Finally I heard over a felt like you were finally represented and have all go away. So quickly is is really disenchanting. Should okay so there was a special election in California's twenty fifth special action in Wisconsin. Seventh both know that these are anecdotal elections in every district is different but you can still kind of extrapolate things on a maybe on a larger scale from this like. Do you think that Democrats should see what happened in your former seat special election as a wakeup call I do. I think that it shows that you remember mine was one of the Houghton quote safest swing seats right. Hillary Clinton when by seven. I want by nine. This isn't one of the seats that should have at risk. So what it means is that you know. Depending on what things are looking like November especially depending on the energy that's coming from rate than district's length. The ones that we flicked that were that were ones that that trump won by sixteen points are really really wants. We need to watch out for so we should give up or stop paying attention to the house just because the Senate is looking like it's within reach or obviously presidency so that to me. The biggest of all first and foremost the second is that as we are adapting to this Nalen strategy. How we doing that right? Field is what has been our strongest most important. Get out the vote effort right and that's modified I don't take. You should give up on it all together. I think they're Balkans Altogether they have they have a different base of people who they can go soo and again reliably that will reliably answer their phones that they can you get to things like drop off ballots churches. But we're GONNA have to modify field programs to to frankly make sure people know how vote by mail. When they have many many of them have never done it before especially in these lower turnout areas of to begin with which are usually the most. Democrats held Katie. Beyond even just in. How do we re engage the Democrats that helped you win by nine points when now they're also facing the pandemic childcare challenges on employment and things that are just like so catastrophic question? I think I am hopeful that the loss actually was a wakeup call for a lot of people might have thought like while the seat will be fine. Now they're like okay. I have really have to bow part of I mean honestly. I think that the the district itself is democratic leaning enough now that if we get to turn out that you know is usually expected in November election. I think she will win. And we saw we saw it happened with the ossoff special in Lucy. Macbeth one in general. I think we're GONNA see that in this case but it still. You know it's something that can't be taken for granted in terms of the support that I had the volunteers mobilized rabbit. I think that's that's going to be the same thing right is how do you figure out ways of ways of getting involved? That may not mean. Move leaving your house And how do we get people excited about it? Especially when the Senate is in play in California and the The obviously dilatory votes are going to be there for Joe Biden. No matter what so. I think I think it has to be like maybe you know maybe the Gee let's get so excited about meeting the seat back because like that. That as it's more like Oh you fuckers. Hello and stand up and what's ours okay. You said the word motherfuckers. Let's expand on that a little bit because we we chatted briefly about this About this race and how it personal it was to you and how personal it was considering the person who ended up winning the seat. Can you talk a little bit about the people who helped promote Christy Smith opponent short so the first person the first slew of images that came out was through the publicly came out was through red? Sti His enemies are images of You. That were released without your consent without taking taken without your consent. Got It and the only person that could have done. That was my accent. Spin obvious denied it. And so it's a it. So that started at Red State. The person who published those who who was the investigative reporter has been a longtime Republican operatives in the region who writes I guess on side. Honestly don't really know what I know that writing as is not a full-time thing for her and she had worked for one of my previous owners. She worked for Steve Night in the past and the day after the day. After I resigned she endorsement ARSIA There were a number of other people who were involved and again. This is information as circling through like facebook groups and drew a the random people that are on the ground in. It's not it's not like a niffer court case starting to like that bitch so many of the people who were supporting my sem from the beginning. We're the ones that need new. Had the photos and some of that is actually on logs. There's still posted out there. A Joe Messina. And things like that so I think For me that that was the biggest thing right like it was misleading. That my favorite before all of this came
Unreserved
Connecting in isolation: Indigenous people create, find and share community online
"Are you missing being able to talk to your co workers face to face longing for the days when meetings didn't use zoom Google hangouts or other technology my next guest is embracing her virtual work meetings? Scour Nadi in her team meet in the virtual world second life for work the Mohawk artist is the CO founder and CO Director of Aboriginal Territories in Cyberspace or ABC Tech. She's joining us for Montreal. Did tell us how it works. Hello Greg so describe your virtual indigenous world. What does it look like about? First of all it's called Atlantic Island And when you arrive with you're wearing your avatar in Atlantic island. The first thing you see is the celestial tree. Most of the things you'll see on optic. Ireland are parts of sets that I made with my wonderful team for Messina's that I've made in Michigan Amazon movies shot in a virtual environment. Like a video game. So you have this beautiful celestial tree which from my movie about the creation of the donor schone creation story But surrounding it now are some benches that you can sit on to so that you can enjoy the tree or chat with your chat with your fellow. Avatar It's in a kind of a plaza and all around in our different places you can go and look at. There's a museum of the future I call it. There is the wonderful campfire with the adirondack chairs. Around the MUSKOKA chairs around it. There's also another little corner that has a traditional pre contact longhouse side by side with a long house of the future and three sisters garden growing out in front. Well that's a sounds lovely and we're going to be posting a few pictures on our website at CBC dot ca slash unreserved. So people can see what it looks like for themselves. So whose idea was it to have a meeting in the comfy chairs around a big fire. Actually I can't remember exactly which member of our team suggested it. It was my dream. Come true though I have been I've been hanging out in this virtual world for quite a while and I've always seen as a space that could be used as a community space especially far. You know our communities who are spread out like as indigenous people were spread out across vast territory noticing North America. I could see this as being a place where we could come together and meet in an embodied way if we couldn't fly somewhere you know and talk about our issues or just visit. You know awesome so now. That more and more offices are moving to online meetings. What do you think the benefits are of this? Virtual option that you've created you know. Zoom is fine. And that's great but you know you. Do you really have to show all your workmates? Your apartment on your possible messy bedroom. You know you can set yourself up in a shared space and you can also put on. You Know Your Best. Avatar in your hair will be all done near makeup. His all done. You can be sitting in your underwear but you know wearing we're close. There's an added extra bonus for me. I believe in why you know one of the reasons I like to hand in a virtual world like this is because there's like a fantasy element I mean in this. I've built this world with again with the help of my amazing team. I've built this space. That's like it's an indigenous space. Where else do you get to hang out around the celestial tree? Yeah I think it's so it's it's just beautiful for me thing to be able to share with other people with the People. I'm working with and you know we're not We're not a business so to be in a space that allows us to continue dreaming and imagining is very beneficial. Less sounds amazing. I for one would make myself twenty pounds lighter and my brain's be perfect every time. Yup You can do. That isn't that it is so. Is this virtual space open to visitors? As a matter of fact it is However you might show up there Zana and you might like not know quite what to do since you're a new job in our language so you might kind of walk around and you might find it you might. If you're lucky you know how to walk around but you know you might not quite know how to interact with things or you might feel kind of lonely talk about social isolation if you show up there for PM and no one's even there. I'm then happened a lot. So what we decided to do is to set up. Activating active island. Which is the weekly time slot that we make sure we're in world so one at least one of our team is in world at that time and they're there to visit with you or show you around or tell you all your avatars. Here's actually on backwards. Let me help you you know. And and that's turned out to be a nice way for people to get into seeing the space but You know I think again imagining what the space could be and conversations have happened as well so I invite you to come on Friday afternoon. Two thirty you know we have a web page. Www DOT AB tech ab T. E. C. Dot land and that. Be that webpage. You can figure out how to visit US awesome while I will be sure to To get my best avatar outfit on and come visit Awesome thank you so much for your time. Today you're very welcome
Inside VOICE
Changing the Healthcare Space with Voice Technology with Dan Messina Co-Founder & EVP of HandsFree Health
"Now Dan. You've been in healthcare for over thirty five years. You've been the CEO of Magellan. House the CFO AETNA HOUSE. And you served as a partner of health advocate which showed for nearly ten one hundred times. Excuse me of the outside capital invested. And I'm curious. Why did you begin a journey into healthcare so many years ago and then why in the last few years did you decide that the next right move was to found lead a voice based healthcare company? A great question. I mean I think that I wish I had some really glorious story to tell you but the fact that matter results in the right place at the right time I had been with AETNA and Cigna in the late eighties early nineties and during that timeframe there was a big transition from multi line insurance coverage to healthcare and healthcare began to grow rapidly and I was right in the middle of that so gaming opportunity to be part of the process of transitioning CIGNA and Aetna from their multi line offerings to just healthcare and you know put me in a healthcare world. Which was you know? Maybe a lot of sense balance sheet perspective but I don't think necessarily it was beneficial for the end users perspective and all these companies grew rapidly and You know worked for them but I think the members found themselves facing a lot of difficulties in trying to figure out the healthcare process. That's what led to help advocate about twenty years ago me and others from the large health plan companies realize that the to get through the healthcare process was nothing easy and we thought whom better to help them figure out their way through the maze that people to help contribute to the maze and so we started health advocate opposite. Frankly couldn't believe how successful that company became basis form. It was simply a company that was providing any response and you healthcare question. Any individual may have nobody that twenty year span at grew from two forty four million members with over a thousand employees and yes we were able to sell it for about one hundred times. The invested capital was which was obviously very impressive. That then let me two hands. Free health with my colonel the other CO founder of the company hands. Free Health is really in some respects like health advocate where it's responsive to questions that people may have but it does in a voice recognition fashion voice responses service. We think that voice response is a direction that the whole country's going and healthcare is kind of catching up but getting there right now and of course. Healthcare has unique difficulties voice response because of the terminology and being able to convert that terminology voice. You Know Bill Gates. I think twenty years ago the healthcare the content is key and I agree with that and and Between the content and the voice. There's no simple task and I think that's one reason. Healthcare is behind. But if you look at all the stats. Everyone's growing dramatically voice annoys people are increasing utilization voice so it makes sense to have health be part of the growth model and that's where hands free health does come into
Short Wave
Tips To Prepare For The Coronavirus
"Are we got some really great questions from listeners? And I want to start with this one from Mattie Park in Ventura California okay. I'm just wondering how many people who get the corona virus actually die. How dangerous is it? Really? How much more likely is it to lead to death than the regular flu? You know. I'm afraid we might be whipping up some hysteria about this disease. Well I would say that. The good news is that so far. Most of the illnesses have been mild in China. Eighty percent of the cases have been classified as mild. This needs symptoms such as you know a dry cough may be a low grade fever something similar to a cold or perhaps the flu now. The death rate is estimated to be about two percent and this is really important to point out. It means that ninety eight percent of people who get this. Don't die from the virus right. Mattie asks how this compares to flu well the answer is that flu has a mortality rate of about point one percent or about one thousand. But here's something to keep in mind. Also that I think is really important. This two percent estimate is really provisional. It could be off. I mean early in an outbreak the sickest people are identified and there may be people with more mild cases have not been accounted for so that could throw off the calculation and it's possible that the death rate is even lower mean here in the. Us There are only a small number of cases but so far there have been no deaths and the people who do die in China tend to be older. The average age is in the seventies and the thought really is the people who are already in poor health due to medical conditions or habits such as smoking. The day are most vulnerable are their symptoms. That people should be on the lookout for and how are people who are sick actually treated sure well? Early symptoms include fever dry cough. Some people experience fatigue headaches less frequently. There's diarrhea the treatment is typically what healthcare professionals would call supportive care and that really just means giving medicines to keep a fever down making sure the person stays hydrated so plenty of fluids now shortness of breath can develop and that would be assigned. You need medical attention in a clinical setting. They can use a breathing machine to assist with breathing now. There was something that a bunch of people wrote in saying that they were confused about and that was something that Nancy Messina of the. Cdc said yesterday Yes we are asking the American public to work with us to prepare it in the expectation that this could be bad okay. One listener heard that in wrote to us. What does that mean exactly? It's completely unhelpful. Bottom line is what do we do in a practical sense? I completely get that. I think big picture here. There is no cause for panic right now but now is the time to prepare as we just heard the. Cdc says it's a longer question if if it's now when now we won't see outbreaks everywhere all at once in this country it could be cluster in a small town or maybe in the middle of an urban area. We don't know but think about this the way you think about preparing for snow storm or a Hurricane. It may not come. It may not happen but if it does you'd be smart to prepare. You may want to have some extra food in your cupboards have basic medications such as Aspirin Ibuprofen on hand. I spoke to Rebecca cats. She's director of the Center for Global Health Science and security at Georgetown University in this situation. If you have widespread virus in your community you may not want to go to a public drugstore. You may want to figure out ways you can distance yourself from other people. You also may want to think about what you do if your kids schools are closed. What is your daycare backup? Plan talk to your employers about working from home. Think through the details of that. It's really just about good
This Week in Machine Learning & AI
Algorithmic Injustices: Towards a Relational Ethics with Abeba Birhane
"Welcome to the Tuomo. Ai podcasts thank you so much for having me Sam. I'm really excited about this conversation. We had an opportunity to meet in person After a long while interacting on twitter at the most recent NRA conference in particular the black workshop. Where you not only presented your paper. Algorithm ick injustices toward a relational ethics Best Paper there and so. I'm looking forward to digging into that and some other topics but before we do that I would love to hear you kind of share a little bit about your background and I will mention for folks that are hearing the sirens in the background. While I mentioned that you are from University College Dublin. You happen to be in New York now at the ES Conference in association with AAA I and As folks might know it's hard to avoid sirens and construction in New York City so Just consider that background are mood mood. Ambience background sounds. Cosso your yes. How did you get started working in a ethics so my background is a cognitive science and particularly a part of cognitive science cord embodied cognitive science? Which is which has ruled. Seen A in cybernetics in thinking. The idea is to focus on on the on the social on the cultural on the historic In kind of view cooperation in continuity with the warrant with with historical background in that in as opposed to you know your your traditional approach to cognitive which just rates combination as something located in the brain or something formality. Something that can be computed so yet. So that's my background. Even during my master's I lean towards the AI. Ice I'd of Koebnick science the more I dave into it the more I much more attracted to the to the site to injustices to the social issues. And so the more deputy goes on the more. I find myself in the that they takes site. Was there a particular point that you realize that you're really excited about the ethics part in particular or did it just evolve for you? I think it just evolved. So when I started out at the end of my master's in at the start of the day my idea is that you know we have this new relatively new school at thing way of thinking which is imported Kokusai which I quite like very much because eighteen sizes you know ambiguous eighties in Messina and contingencies. As opposed to you know drawing create Clean Boundaries and so the idea is yes. I liked the idea of redefining competition. As something relational something inherently social and some think that is continually impacted in influenced by as our people ended the technologies. We use so the technology aspects. The technology end was my so initially. The idea is yes. Technology is constitutes aspect of aspect of article. You'll help the famous nineteen ninety eight thesis spy and Clark in the John Muir steak standard mind where they claimed in. The iphone is an extension of your mind so you can think of it that way and I was kind of advancing the same line of coats but the more identity into it the more I so yes ditch technology with its you know computing such as face recognition systems on the streets or your phone wherever yes it does. Impact in the does continually shape in reshape. Our mission in what it means to exist in the warrant. But what became more and more clear to me is that not everybody's impacted equally a the more privileged. You are the the more in control of at you are as to what can influence you end what you can avoid. So that's where I become more and more involved with the attic solve computation and its impact on cognition. The notion of privilege is something that flows throughout the work that you've presented at blackened. Ai Our make injustices paper and this idea. This construct of relational ethics what is relational ethics. And what are you getting at with it? Yeah so relational ethics is actually not a new thing. A A lot of people have terrorized about it and I have written about it but the the way I'm approaching it the way I'm using it is. It's I guess he kind of springs from at this restauration that for many folks who talk about ethics or or fairness or justice most of it comes down to constructing these needs formulation of fairness or at mathematical calculation of who should be included and Who SHOULD BE EXCLUDED? What kind of do we need that sort of stuff? So for me relational ethics is kind of. Let's let's leave that for a little bit late. Zoom out and see the bigger picture and instead of using technology to solve the problem stats emerged from Technology Self. So which which means censoring technology late instead center the people that are people `specially people that are disproportionately impacted by the limitations or the problems that arise with the development and implementation of Technology. So at there is a robust Research in economic fairness or go to speak injustice and the the pattern. Is that the more you are at the at the bottom of the intersection level. That missed further away from you are from you. Know your stereotypical White Sis. Gender made the more the bigger the negative impacts are on you ways there it's a classification or categorization or whether it's being scaled in scored for by hiring algorithms or looking for housing or anything like that at that the Maury move away from that stereotypical category status score the more. The HABE that they embarked his own use. So the idea of relational ethics is kind of to to to take from that perspective to to take that as a starting point so these are the groups are these are the individuals that are an much more likely to be acted so in order to put them at at advantage or in order to protect their welfare. What do we need to do? So the it's died is to start from there and then ask for wishing instead of saying here we have this technology or we have these Saito Algorithms constellations. How do we apply them? Or how do we then use them to to you? Know for Beta or a fair outcome and sometimes the answer you arrive at. Is that a particular technology. Shouldn't exist in a given form. Yeah right exactly exactly. So I think one of the downsides of an obsessively working on and some matrices or some equations on fairness is that you forgot. Forget to ask in the first place do we. Should we even do this in the first place and I think some people have articulated this really? Well you can think of this. In terms of that you know face recognition systems that are becoming very normalized in common spatial in the states. Do you feed at your face. Recognition Algorithms with diverse data in order. So that it recognizes everybody equally or do you stop and think do we actually need face recognition systems in the first place.
This Movie Changed Me
Brown Sugar: A Tribute to Hip-Hop
"I saw brown sugar. I was completely taken over by the music of course it's the first thing you notice about the movie the wonderful wonderful tribute to hip hop and owed love letter however you want to call it hip hop that permeates every scene in movie this because eight chess turn but the thing that carried me through watching it over and over and over again was the relationship between Sydney played by Sonali Johnathan and trae played by Taye Diggs. Their relationship is as equals not something I grew up watching calms. It's not something that I saw men and and women respecting each other to other as if they both believed each other to be intelligent equal human beings and their relationship gave me hope for what love could be wasted US whereas Philip Too potlucking at the block party you remember. I beat machine boy. You thought You d nice not our eight. Oh eight this simplicity provides a fine line between eloquence. That's implying. This has a dope. Line was my first published article. I can't wait for you to come out when you left I went out to. La Times every Wednesday a Yo com go to the park and read. It made me feel closeted love brown sugar. We begin the movie with Sydney entry as kids first learning and falling in love with hip hop and this love of hip hop is what connects them throughout their life. Sydney becomes a writer and editor of powerhouse hip. Hop Magazine Andrey gets into the recording recording industry. He's the man behind the artists and he gets into this field because of his love of hip hop but both Sydney Andrey are struggling to reconcile this. It's ideallic love that they have of hip hop with the reality. Did you sign a new act without consulting drake. I saw and I had to sign the man Never Messina. Shit like that a black and white rapid duah. I know they go here Kamal Man. You know that's just a gimmick these guys they have like no skills just straight it up. Why now I saw last night a real MC. This cat deserves a shot. He came with the real original real real hip hop given them. I'm trying to sell records to people will actually buy them so I need a boob. Who's going to be able to give me that M. T. V. rotation baby now been akin ran and ten the heat of future Babe Eminem. He paved the way they gonNA be like Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder Paul McCartney and and Michael Michael Jackson. Are you serious. Yes you really want me to do this. If you want to work for a millennium records that's what we do here. We make hits as we see hip hop grow and change we also see Sydney Andrey grow and change and it was this intertwining of love and hip hop that really spoke to poet Nick George in fact when lead producer. Maya emailed him to talk about brown sugar trigger he had this to say when I first saw brown sugar. Both love and hip hop. were new things to me. I thought I understood both I also thought their utility in my life was simple and yet through this movie. It became apparent that both are unpredictable. One of the major themes is evolution and allowing a thing to grow beyond what we thought we knew you about it.
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Gulf Of Mexico And Florida discussed on The Bobby Bones Show
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Bill Snyder, Holly Rowe and Brett Farve discussed on College Football Live
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Morning Edition
Colombia set for combative runoff with divisions over peace
"Old civil war divides we mentioned this because columbia just recently ended a fifty year old guerrilla war and its first presidential election since the peace accord replays some of their old divides two candidates made a run off one of them a former leftist guerrilla the other a right wing candidate who does not like the peace deal at all john otis is in bogota covering the election for npr news either job hey it's good to be here steve so the right wing candidate who i guess got the most votes right yvonne duquet a largely unknown until recently associated with this president it was really tough on the rebels and then you have this former leftist guerrilla who's he and this is gustavo petro he was in fact part of the m nineteen guerrilla group which disbanded almost thirty years ago in the past colombians would reject leftist politicians like petro because they figured they were still closet guerrillas but now that the major colombian rebel group farc has disarmed under the peace treaty it's opened up a lot more political space for leftist like petro petro has promised to govern on behalf of the poor but his critics are now trying to paint him as a dangerous radical loop plans to adopt some of the same policies that have led to food shortages and hyper inflation in socialist venezuela right next door so things really are getting quite polarized here between the right and the left ahead of the second round election well are things so polarized this peace deal which is not very old could come apart that is a possibility steve petro strongly supports this peace treaty but duke as a big showing on sunday reflects a growing frustration among colombians for the peace accord it ended a war that killed two hundred twenty thousand people and vastly reduced violence but dookie claims it's too lenient on former fighters for example those accused of war crimes are going to be able to avoid prison under the packs of duke as promised to rewrite this treaty others think he might end up focusing on economic issues but either way he easily won the most votes sunday in polls place him as the favourite going into the runoff on june seventeenth thanks very much that's reporter john otis in bogota like many american manufacturing towns messina new york hemorrhage jobs in the past decade gm and reynolds metal closed aluminum company out coa downsized but now messina is banking on a new opportunity to boost its economy crypto