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Meryl Streep / Carrie Fisher

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Meryl Streep / Carrie Fisher

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The month after our interview is recorded Reynolds died the day after Fisher also excerpts of two interviews with Meryl Streep about her singing and her ability to do accents like Margaret Thatcher's in iron lady she had a very very particular way of emphasizing bringing out a word that you didn't normally think was the most important word in the sentence independent it. That's on fresh air support for this. PODCAST comes from the Neubauer family foundation supporting. WHYY's whyy's fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation were ending the decade with a holiday week series of interviews featuring featuring staff picks from the decade. We begin with Meryl Streep who we've been lucky enough to have on our show. Twice today excerpts from both interviews. She's widely acknowledged as one of our greatest actors. Here's just a few of her awards. Three Oscars for Iron Lady Sophie's choice and Kramer versus Kramer five Golden Globes including Julian Julia. The Devil Wears Prada an adaptation. She also on the Globe Cecil B demille award. She won four four primetime emmys. I could go on this year. She Co starred in the HBO series. Big little lies and she's now in Greta gerwig adaptation of little women in the role of aunt March when we spoke in February twenty twelve. Her film iron lady was about to open in which she portrayed Margaret Thatcher the former British Prime Minister Mr. Here's an excerpt of Oscar winning performance as Thatcher. The Right Honorable Gentleman knows very well that we had no choice but to close the school. He calls his union paymasters Goldstrike like deliberately to walk. Teachers cannot teach when that is no heating no lawsuits and I asked the right bugaboo gentleman who's folk the The right honorable lady screech. Ah If she wants us to take her seriously she must learn to Tom. How Vulnerable Gentlemen? Perhaps a ten more closely to what I'm saying rather then Ha. I am saying it. Valuable Education in spite of himself Margaret Thatcher leader took voice lessons from a drama coach to help her sound more authoritative here streep as Thatcher after those lessons addressing parliament about the war in the Falklands. We were faced with an act of unprovoked aggression veteran and we responded as we have responded in times past with unity strength and courage in the knowledge that though much is sacrificed in the end right will prevail l.. OVA WRONG MERYL STREEP WELCOME TO FRESH Air. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you very much for having me Terry. A huge fan. Oh whoa so we just heard you before. And after Margaret Thatcher has voice lessons voice is lessons to teach her authority and power. So this or that you can speak more powerfully to the parliament. So can you talk a little bit about what you think. She learned with those vocal lessons. And how you transformed your voice as her after she really learned her way around as a public figure you're and had the advantage of those voice lessons. Well I I think that voice lessons really just bring out a voice that you already possess so she already had whatever the sort of Stentorian tones that she acquired over time they were all lying in wait therein within her arsenal and she also had elocution in her high school the equivalent of high school in Grantham she had changed changed her way of speaking accent from GRANTHAM had disappeared by the time she went to Oxford to study chemistry and She had decided on a sort of a plummy kind of aspirin te Upper middle class voice and so what. The voice coach did was enabled her to expand her breath deepen her voice. Bring get to a place where men could listen to it most emphatic tones. So so how do you change your voice for the before. And after for the more confident and experienced Margaret Thatcher versus the early Margaret Thatcher. Well I had evidence of both voices you know from the public record so I listen to them and it sort of my fund to sing along with records and imitate people that are on on the telephone That have different ways of speaking. I mean I I pick things up like that so it's not a thing. That's a struggle ruggles. It's it's work but it's not a struggle it's fun and she had a very particular way of emphasizing points points and making her point and I had to do with bringing out a word that you didn't normally think was the most important word in the sentence tin automate. Yes and she also had an as sort of a way like a railroad train of going taking a breath and starting quite quietly and making a point in a way that you don't really know that this is this point is going to be made through several examples and there will not be a break in the speaking voice at any point and you. If you think you're going to interrupt you're really not going to have the opportunity unity. Because she's she's just got capacity. It's just really stunning as I looked at interviews so you need a lot of breath to keep talking talking like that did you. Haven't I've just been talking like yeah. I did need lot of breath. I'd I needed much more breath than I have after all my expensive drama school training. I couldn't keep up with her. I think it's interesting that when you're doing the voice of a real person or I suppose if you're learning an accent to you think of it as singing along with a record. So is that what you do like play Margaret Thatcher giving a speech and you you do the equivalent of singing along with it. You give the speech as you're listening to it. I say that because that's the my way in the very beginning how to how to enter it very quickly in the process. I don't think about voice being separate from the way you hold your head or the way you sit or the way you dress way. You put on lipstick. It's all a piece of a a person and it's all driven by conviction In other characters it's driven by insecurity or in her. It's driven by fear or there's always a driver. And the all the physical manifestations you need your way in so yeah uh when I was a kid when I was sixteen seventeen. I'd come home from High School and my dad collected all Barbra streisand's listens records and she was very young the she was she probably had three records out and she was twenty one And we had them all and I knew fleecing call song every breath every illusion every swell and I I I sang along to a but it for me. It was a way to get out the feeling of the song and also to get out the feelings that you know Royle in highschool I school two x xpress something that I had no other way of expressing and Of course now rich and famous and I I met Barbara streisand and I told her that she was nonplussed. She was just. We can't no what we mean to each other. You know artis you can't no you can't no you know I hear a certain similarity between your voice in the Iron Lady Margaret Thatcher and reverse in Julie and Julia as Julia Child strikes me as if and I never thought about this til hearing you in both those films that if Margaret Thatcher Thatcher kind of drank too much and inserted being surprised and delighted about how her like flip concoction was behaving that. She might sound Mike Julia Child. Would you think well they had a similar flightiness in especially in the younger Julia Child had of floozy nece. Yeah which is and it's also part of her class The way that there are women of that at time and of that class. We don't like talk about that America but there are classes in America and She was of. You've a class of women who were wealthy privately. Educated went to Smith moved in that sort of circle. Let me play a little bit of you as Julia Child in Julian Julia. And this is a scene when you're on TV early in your TV career and you're making some kind of like the Mesh Potato Pancake concoction that you're you're about to flip and it's not it kind of spin go well. It doesn't go well kind of splatters in the air and half half of it lands on the stove instead of in the pan. So let's hear a little bit of that in this alternate with you on TV. And with Julie Watching you on TV Amy Adams. Yeah Amy Adams Julie. I'm going to try to flip this thing over now. which is a rather daring thing to to do? She changed everything for her. It was frozen Fudan can openers and marshmallows knock marshmallow. Try when when you flip anything you just got to have the courage of your convictions. especially if it's loose sort of mass like go to go very well but you see when I flip did I didn't have the I needed to the way. Yeah I should have but you can always put it together alone in the kitchen. WHO's to see curls wearing heels in the kitchen just got practice? I'm Julia Child blown blown up and talk about Studying someone's voice has its music and she has such a musical voice And she does and has no breath. I'm just GONNA been running up a hill. She always sounds like that. I feel like that when I'm in the kitchen don't you while I'm not a very good cook. Honestly I believe Myself Wise Delis exists around Ron and have to kick well. I got better after this and it might entire family really did appreciate usually the resentful of movies that gough make but this one had a bonus attached but yeah I compared to her voice in Thatcher's voice before but but breath wiser the opposite because she's almost like gasping for air and factor. has this like endlessly long breath. Well she's so alive. Julia Child and Margaret is so is so designed. She's so intent upon making her point. That's the most important. The thing is that she win. The argument and there is nothing that stands in the way of that train. You know but Julia sister live in front of you. That's part of why why people loved her. They lived it whether they breathed it whether mistakes were all part of it but she was adept to what she she was doing. Credibly adept okay. So here's a story. I read which I assume is true but you can tell me if it actually happened. That in for the nineteen seventy six. The dealer RENTA's remake of King Kong auditioned for Dod Lorenzo and his son were Talian and dino dealer Renta's said in Italian. What did he say brute for gay? perkier me me me. I don't know I can't speak Italian anymore because I'm so old and forgetful But he said something like but this is so ugly. Why do you bring me this This being you yeah. I'm sitting in front of him at opposite desk. He's smiling. He looks back. He has everything being beautiful and his son is very kind son said because his son had seen me in something and He said no dad. He's a wonderful blocked with and because I had just I'd studied a year of Italian at Vassar. I could understand what they were saying and I said you know Mideaspique Chimaltenango. I'm I'm very sorry that I'm not As beautiful as I should be but you know this is it. This is what you get sort of and I left. I mean I was very upset but I didn't show it yes. It's a true story so a very interesting story because you're being told early in career basically. You're not beautiful not qualified your faces not qualified for this role and you're also And Body I and body but then you're also making the decision to let them know that you understand what they said. They were intentionally essentially speaking in Italian. So that you wouldn't understand them right right but you did understand them you let them know you understood them because they did they think actresses are stupid. That was the other the thing that I mean not they. Because I don't think his son was that way. His son was my champion. I mean he that he was the reason I was in the office but The Dad he wasn't being mean to me was just being to his son in Italian. But any idea that I would that would understand because they think Americans are stupid too. So did you worry that you were basically. I mean. You haven't been in any movies yet. So did you word that you would spread about you that you were the directors. Yeah that you were real paying your. Yeah your problem so like avoid her. I am a pain in the. How can I hide it? I mean Yeah that is the package you know and but I I was was not. I was not probably suited to that role. Either I mean that was the truth. How much did you want it? Not Much I mean I did want a break but I didn't. I didn't think I would be good in it honestly. I didn't. It represented something that I don't know I wasn't drawn to so I suppose it was easier to be Eh obstreperous in the meeting. Because because of that foot was an audition for Sophie's Choice Allen because it's like that a maybe would have swallowed it. Because I wanted it so badly you gave a terrific commencement address at Barnard in twenty ten. One of the things you talked about was ah that the hardest thing in the world is to persuade a straight male audience to identify with a woman character. It's easier for women because we brought up identifying with male characters and literature. It's hard for straight boys to identify with Juliet or Wendy in Peter Pan whereas girls identify with Romeo and with Peter Pan. What led you to that conclusion? What let me do that was was I have never I mean I watch movies and I don't care who is the protagonist? I feel what that guy is feeling. You know if it's it's Tom. Cruise leaping over building. I WANNA make it. You know I'm GonNa yes I made it and Yeah so I I get that and and I've grown up well partly because there weren't great girls Literature Nancy drew. Maybe but there weren't things so there was huck Finn I and spin and Marty. The boys characters were interesting. And you you live through them. When you're watching it you know you don't? You're not aware of it. But you're you're following the action of the film through the body of the protagonist. You know you feel what he feels when he when he jumps when he leaps when he wins when he loses but it became obvious to me. That men don't live through the female characters. Did you think that women have that kind of double double consciousness and men like boys. I think it'll be. Yeah well it has to do with very deep things things you know because it's might be that imagining yourself as a girl is a diminishment But it is something it when I made the Devil Wears Prada. It was the first time in my life thirty years of making movies that a man came up and said I know how you felt. I know. Oh how you've I have a job like that. It's the first time first time first time and they say lots of things. I think they've this is what I was trying to you. Say in that speech. It's very hard point to make because I guess hard to wrap your head around it but for men. The most usually the FAV- favorite character. I've ever played his Linda in the deer. Hunter without question of the heterosexual men that have. I've spoken to over the years. That's usually they say you know my favorite thing you've ever done. This was Linda or or Sophie and they were particular kind of very feminine recessive kind of personality. They so they fell in love with her but they didn't feel the story through her body and it took to the devil wears Prada to play someone tough. Who who had to make hard decisions was running organization? And sometimes that takes making tough decisions for certain kind of men to empathize empathize. That's the word empathize. Feel the story through her. That's the first time anybody is ever said that. They felt that way. That's really interesting. Yeah what's a women. Tell you their favorite rollers. Oh they love everything okay. They've they've you think I mean it's a range of stuff so do you like seeing yourself scream. North added an uncomfortable experience. I I don't dislike like it. I don't pop in the CD the DVD that again. But but I do think when you know sometimes the scrolling through the TV. And there's something on and I look at it and I think Oh my God. I thought I was fat. What is my my problem when I was younger? I spent way too much time thinking about that so stupid. My interview with Meryl Streep was recorded in Twenty twelve. After a short break will hear an excerpt of my two thousand sixteen interview with her in which we talked about her singing. And we'll hear you're an excerpt of my interview with Carrie Fisher recorded in two thousand sixteen one month before her death as we continue our interview series of staff picks from the decade. I'm Terry Gross. And this is fresh talk. 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Screechy screechy singer in that film streep was convincing as a committed but terrible singer but streep saying well for real in other films including postcards from the Edge Mama Mia and into the woods so you are in the screen adaptation of the Stephen Sondheim musical into the woods and you played the witch and the story. Rian this is basically. It's a mash up of several fairy tales including Red Riding Hood Rapunzel Cinderella. Jack in the beanstalk and you play overture. Beautiful woman who has a spell was turned into a witch and so on and this is this is a song that you sing in it and It's very sondheim song. In the sense that the The intervals are off in a way. That's on him. Intervals are unusual unusual. The syncopation CZ are unusual in his unusual way so it takes a lot of talent to sing this. So here's Meryl Darrelle streep from the Soundtrack of the Stephen Sondheim musical into the woods. It's it's Soon it will beep toilet it stolen little kid. Did you get your princess. I had to get you had to get. Your wish doesn't matter how anyway it doesn't matter now it's asked midnight. It's nothing but a night everybody's everybody's nothing we can do not exactly true. We could always give the boy you know. Of course. We're really not as someone you can blame fine if that's the thing new in Julia placing blame if that's the Hain in. Give me just to me the boy no no no yours. You're not good. Meryl Streep from the Soundtrack of the Stephen Sondheim musical into the woods. Did Stephen Sondheim work with you at all on that a little bit. What he did was he? He wrote me a new. You Song that we recorded but was taken out of the movie because of length but he played it for me in his apartment and sang it to me. I mean it's one of the great. Most cherished memories of my life is just that little hallowed afternoon where he played this magical thing for me and And I think he's great composer. Oh yeah the musical school theater so yes it was like come on. I could die now. Do you know who you are singing as yourself have only seen you sing and character and yet one in your one year in like a rock musical rookie in the flash and in postcards from the edge you're seeing more I don't know but somewhere between like well there's a country and western song and then there's more you know yeah and postcards. Yeah yeah so like I don't know I don't have a sense of like if I said tonight Meryl Streep in Concert. I don't know what you'd sing or how you well it would be a very show I don't know I I don't really does that. A warm up. It's like okay. Well one Christmas I remember when I was twelve. My mother decided to in front of the whole family. The gathered family including my formidable grandmother. Mamie she said Merrill sank. Oh holy night in French and Merrill Sing it now and I have never if I ever have to play a person who is Over come with fear and terror. I go back to that moment because I was just. I hadn't had any any trouble singing in the in the Christmas concert but standing in the living room in front of my whole family all my you know so annoying brothers and my cousins and everybody looking at me. I just went crazy just was like shaking remember shake everything is shaking and I thought I don't like this feeling. I think I'm not a natural performer. I think I'm an actor okay. Getting back to music. I want to play something else in. This is from post cards postcards from the edge which was made in nineteen ninety directed by the now late. Mike Nichols based on a book by Carrie Fisher Carrie Fisher. Yes and it's it's kind of. It's kind of biographical so so you've been in Rehab. You're kind of trying to figure out your life in this your character and your mother who is modelled on Carrie. Fisher's mother. Debbie Reynolds is a singer and performer. who was big and musicals in the fifties and sixties? You've been living with her. There's a party at her place and you're asked to sing. It's funny that I spoke about my that moment in my grandmother's house because it was very similar Shirley maclaine plays my mother. She makes me do this. And I've just gotten out of Rehab and a my characters very tender and raw and she kind of more or less forces made it to get up in front of all these people and sing so that's very deflected and sort of a lot of excuses built into singing something that actually means something and and still. It's almost this little tiny voice from from somewhere deep inside in that her mother gets up and sings Stephen Sondheim. I'm still here and throws her legs up on on the piano and the red sequined dress and it's just blows her daughter out of the water once again I really liked her performance in that. You've been living with her. There's a party at her place and you're asked to sing so you go up to I forget if it's a guitarist taurus pianist and you start working working with and the song is you don't know me so. Here's Meryl Streep from postcards parts from the edge that okay you give you hand me that Charleston and then you say Hello Lou knocking on this thing Anyone can to us. Thank you know the. You don't know me. Oh ooh dreams of you to kiss longs longs to you know. Let's Meryl Streep Singing in the film postcards from the Edge Meryl Streep. I really regret that we're out of time. It's been great to talk with you. Thank you so much for for being on our show. Thanks Terry I enjoyed it. Meryl Streep Recorded Twenty Sixteen. The film postcards from the edge starring Streep was written by Carrie Fisher who adapted it from her novel after a short break will hear my twenty sixteen interview with Fisher recorded after the publication of her memoir about making the first star wars film as we continue our interview series of staff picks from the decade this is fresh air support for NPR and the following message. Come from Netflix. This new series Messiah. What would it take to make you believe in something crazy when a man starts performing miracles and saying he's the Messiah One? CIA agent is determined to find the truth. No matter how crazy it may be Messiah streaming now only on Netflix CTS. Did you get a smart speaker for a gift over the holidays. Well consider it the gift that keeps on giving right because it can help you keep up with the news just say play. NPR to hear your local NPR station. And all all your favorite. NPR shows as well next up in our interview. Series of staff picks from the decade is our 2016 interview with Carrie Fisher. I'm sure a lot of star. Wars fans are thinking about her now that the final episode of the Skywalker Saga is in theaters. Carrie Fisher became known around the world. US Princess Leia. She was in the first three star wars films as well as the Force Awakens in two thousand fifteen and the last Jedi in twenty seventeen. She appears through through archival footage in the new film. The rise of skywalker Fisher was also the author of the memoir wishful drinking and the novel postcards from the edge which she adapted into a film. Starring Meryl Streep Fisher was the daughter of celebrities singer. Eddie Fisher an actor and singer Debbie Reynolds who starred in singing in the rain. My interview with Carrie Fisher was recorded in November twenty sixteen. She died one month later the day after her death her mother other died when we spoke Fisher had just published a memoir called the princess. Direst about making the first star wars film. The book included excerpts from the diary. She wrote while shooting the film when she was having a secret affair with her co Star. Harrison Ford Carrie Fisher. Welcome back to fresh air. So how did you find your star wars diary. I mean had you forgotten that you wrote it. I forgot that I wrote it and I was making my bedroom bigger. And so there was all these boxes of writing underneath the floorboards and I found it among all this other stuff. Am I remembered when I thought so. What most surprised you that you've forgotten you to experience but you'd had written about about in your journal that I was so insecure? Oh yeah that surprised me to seems like you really needed other people to tell you who you were because you didn't know know know at least I knew that at least I was aware aware that I didn't know I was so that was something but It was sad to me as you've pointed out in Star Wars. You're the only girl in an all boy fantasy. When did you start realizing that? You were part of boys sex fantasies not until way later and I'm very glad of that like about I don't know maybe eight years ago. Some Guy said to me. I thought about you every day from when I was twelve to when I was twenty two and I should should every day and he said well for time today. Say That thank you. What do you say to that? Then I started becoming aware of it and uncomfortable way so it was a very boys kind of set when you were making the film. Yeah it's mostly cruiser still Muslim men. I'm nine liked it. They have continuity girl so they don't call a con woman to continuity girl and they're women in makeup and in hair and wardrobe but not in camera not in sound you know and not in special facts. It's all men did that add to your are feeling of insecurity. I think I've sort of isolated you know I didn't really have anyone. Arjun confide I in men find an anyone as opposed to over sharing do now. That's right. I made up for it. So what's really made news from your book is your affair with Harrison Ford when you were making Star Wars. He was in his mid thirties and married carried. You were nineteen. Did you tell him you're going to write about it before you actually published the book. Oh Yeah I'm relief to hear that you're relieved relieved. Yeah on I wouldn't have ambushed him like that but it still no matter if I told him or not it would probably I'll be feels like an ambush. It feels like an ambush to me. Did you come wrote it. Did you tell him or did you ask him for permission. No I he said I found the journals The cab during the first movie. I'm probably going to publish them. And he just sort of. It raised his finger and said lawyer and then I said no I. Won't you know right anything that you don't want to. I mean I'll show it to you before and you can take anything out that you want taken our on you know. Make you uncomfortable which I of course have Unduly uncomfortable so he read it before it was published in duty chain. I sent it to him and I never heard back so I can't imagine that he was that he was comfortable with everything that was in it. But it's not like it's negative about him. It's just a personal story story. That's been a secret for a long time and I'm I'm sure he would have stopped good of this. I gave him that opportunity. Well I gave them the opportunity to take out anything. You didn't like right but not to stop it. Yeah but I don't think it's that revealing anger. It's certainly not offensive. It's not uncahnged about him. It's flattering. I mean the way people are reacting to it. It is funny to me too. I doing at seventy three so it sounds like you know reading the book that you had a kind of love hate relationship with your identity as Princess Leia I made you a star. It's an iconic role. There's things you haven't liked about being Princess Leia in the eyes of the world. What's the downside? No I actually don't think there is that much of a deal to the downside. Is the hair hair. The downside is the hair and some of the outfits but I like Princess Leia. I like how she handles things. I Li- cow. She treat people I she tells the truth. She you know gets what she wants done. I don't have a real problem. Problem with Princess Leia. I've sort of melded with overtime. You write in the book that you had endless issues with your appearance how you looked in Star Wars and you you say what I saw on the mirror as apparently what many teenage boys sauce. What did you see when you looked in the mirror? A giant fat face like sand DAB with features and the hair the horrible hair. I just looked like I don't know like this really fat faced cute in a not a good way girl whose idea was to have the the buns on either side of your head. Well they kept putting here on. They kept saying you like this when there were some worse one is you can imagine but it was George and the producers. I mean you know. They Pat German The hairdresser kept putting hairstyles on me and we kept parading them in front one of them and I don't know they they. Somehow they chose that one and to put more hair on either side of around round face is going to make it even wider. So that was my problem with that. While we're speaking about appearance in return of the Jeddah when you are Held captive by JABBA. The Hut who is like giants slimy slug like creature and crime boss. And you're wearing this like incredibly revealing metal bikini. You are rail thin. I know and you wearing this wearying chain so this is like big like metal chain around your neck so it's a very like pg thirteen kind of campy SEM BND image. Yeah and Jabber. The Hood is like licking his lips. He's he's stroking so there's something like so like sexual about it but it's a movie for kids so was there lots of joking on the set about like the deeper. Sem Imagery of this scene. Oh what my joke was when we first I for her stood there brought in front of job. They talked to job. A job talks to Harrison and mark and then there led off. I never they never say. Hey Hey how are you. So as they were being led off I said in the rehearsal. Don't worry about me I'll be fine seriously Which I thought they should've kept in their shoes like all those sure? They're going to be digested for two thousand thousand years. But I have to stay with the slug with the big tongue and nearly naked naked which is not a you know style choice for me. We're listening to our Twenty Sixteen Interview with Carrie Fisher will hear more of the interview. After a break this is fresh air support for NPR comes from whyy. You H Y Y presenting the podcast. Eleanor amplified and adventure series. 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And I think that probably continued into your twenty s and that you know you worked in her her Broadway show you were you were in the chorus of that. He Sang in her Broadway. Act You know in her cabaret act for a while so you work together the other in some ways you were very close in some ways like very far apart you were anxious to move away from home. How did your relationship change as she became an older woman? Like when you became elect now like your middle-age cheese or or or older. She's in her eighties. What's is the relationships? Contentious says a chain. Not at all I can appreciate. She's an immensely powerful woman and I just admire my mother very much. She also annoys me sometimes when she's mad at the nurses but you know she's an extraordinary every woman extraordinary. There's very few women for her generation. Who worked like that? Who just kept a career going all her life and raise children and had horrible relationships and lost all our money and got it back again? I mean she said an amazing in life and She's someone to admire. Did you appreciate her strength. And her accomplishments more as you got the older the whole God. Yeah when I was a kid I just thought she was someone who was telling me what to do and I didn't WanNa do it. How did you you feel about her celebrity? When you're young? Was it helpful. Was it intrusive. Well it I had to share her and I didn't like that when we went out people sort of walked over me to get to her and no. I didn't like it. I didn't like it and I you know people thought that I overheard someone saying what she thinks. She's so great because she's Debbie Reynolds daughter and and I didn't like it made me different from other people. I wanted to be the same I wanted to be. You know just no Jeffrey than anybody else. Your mother's most iconic film is singing in the rain You know one of the great musicals of of all time. What are your your thoughts about the movie and if you like like it now did you always or did it? Take you awhile to appreciate that film. No I always liked it. It's brilliant Irene to to do the transition from sound from silent to sound is a brilliant brilliant time to focus on and what was interesting interesting to me is that there's three people acting in the movie then it's two men and a female and the same with Star Wars and both movies were sort of a conic at well would they did the five ten top films and one was singing in the rain and one was star wars. That's so great. You're on the list together. I know you're right that you felt doomed to have bad relationships with men. That's what you've seen Eddie Fisher. Your father walked out on your mother when you were to to be with. Elizabeth Taylor Your mother's second husband Spent all her money. I mean left her with nothing the left her with nothing and and she had to pay his jets so future earnings went to him. Everything she made went to his jets to Harry Karl who was also having sex with hookers the entire length of their relationship which she found out later on. So did we so. It was a very interesting childhood so when women dressed like you at comecon conventions what do you most frequently see reflected back at. You like which which costumes which hairdos my favorite one. To see is the Metal Bikini on men that is happening a lot. Oh absolutely absolutely a lot and not thin men by the way that's hilarious. Yeah so that makes me feel good about myself kind of a before and after thing this is way after. Not only is Princess Leia fatter. She's a guy all right Carrie Fisher thank you so much for talking with us. We'll thanks for talking to me. Carrie Fisher recorded in November twenty sixteen one month before her death. Debbie Reynolds died. One day after Fisher Steph. Our end of the decade series featuring staff picks from the decade continues through the end of next week. 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America's Actress Meryl Streep

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America's Actress Meryl Streep

"This is kick ASS news. I'm Ben Mathis that blue represents represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the Fashion Industry when in fact you wearing a sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room from a pile of stuff. Every woman needs makeup. Don't uh-huh anybody. Tell you different. The only woman pretty enough to go without makeup was Elizabeth Taylor and shave more at tons in the pursuit pursuit of wrongdoing one steps away from God. Of course there is a price. I have have done battle every single day of my life and many men have underestimated me before this lot seem bound to do the same they will rue the day those were just a few of the iconic performances and many accents of legendary actress. Meryl Meryl Streep among her more than sixty films are classics and blockbusters like the Deer Hunter Kramer versus Kramer Sophie's Choice Silkwood out of Africa postcards from the edge the bridges of Madison County the hours music of the heart the Devil Wears Prada doubt Julie and Julia the Iron Aaron Lady The post and most recently in the second season of HBO's Big Little Lies. She holds the record for the Most Academy Award Nominations for acting with twenty one nominations and three Oscar wins and she is widely regarded as the greatest actress of our time but she's also a feminist who has spoken up for women's rights more than any other actress in Hollywood a generous advocate and philanthropist who puts her money where her mouth is and a remarkably private person who leads relatively normal and quiet life with her husband sculptor Don Gummer on their ninety Acre farm in Salisbury Connecticut now entertainment reporter Aaron Crowson alson takes us behind the curtain and celebrates America's greatest actress in a new book titled Queen Merrill The Iconic Roles heroic deeds and legendary early life of Meryl Streep and today Erin joins me on the podcast to discuss the charmed career of Meryl Streep from her early years as popular homecoming queen to playing forty different roles in three years and becoming a legend among her peers at Yale drama school Aaron Delves Into Jane Fonda as mentor ship of streep on the film. I'm Julia Meryl's rivalries with Madonna and Jessica Lang and the behind the scenes drama between her and Dustin Hoffman on Kramer versus Kramer she. He says that the late actor Jon Gazelle was the love of Meryl Streep's life and she shares how he helped her hone her craft and how she got over his tragic untimely death. We talk knockabout acting over forty. How Meryl became a champion for better roles equal pay for actresses and how she navigated doing business with disgraced mogul Harvey Weinstein less Aaron ways in Meryl Streep's best performances and most underrated movies coming up with Aaron Carlson in just a moment the Aaron Carlson has covered the entertainment industry for the Hollywood reporter and the Associated Press and her work has also appeared in Glamour Fortune and the Los Angeles Times Times. She's the author of I'll have what she's having. How Nora Ephron three iconic films save the Romantic comedy and now she writes about the woman who is arguably the greatest actors of our generation and perhaps any generation in her latest book Queen Merrill the iconic roles heroic deeds and legendary life Meryl Streep Aaron Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me well Erin. I think we can tell from the title that you have a lot of admiration for LAS streep What do you consider yourself a Merrill Superfan of course I mean who isn't a Merrill Superfan Dontrelle like there's this donald pulled from all my God. How did I forget about trump. I try to forget about trump but you can't because he's everywhere and you know he he was the one that who tweeted in that three and toilet tweet that she was the most overrated actress in Hollywood even made her stronger are than before because we all all strippers we closed ranks around her and protected her and they were like no. You're you're completely wrong right right and the irony is that he said that the day after she received a lifetime achievement award at the Golden Globes I mean leave it to the Donald to tweet tweet something totally a name will I should tell people that this is technically not an authorized biography although. I doubt that there's much that Meryl Streep would object to in this book book when you decided to write the book. Did you reach out to her to ask for her participation. Oh of course there were letters. There is an various overtures and the thing about Merrill is she is so so privates and she's not going to talk about how great she is because that would be the most egotistical thing ever so she's GonNa leave it to me her Viagra for to do that for her. Yeah Yeah you describe an interesting situation in the book shortly after the mini series Holocaust stared and she's walking around New York City and a VW van drives is by and some guys lean out the window and Yell Hey Holocaust. Hey Data and how surreal that was for her. has she ever been very comfortable with her fame. You know it's funny that you mentioned that and she was so disturbed by that episode that she unlisted her phone number because fans were calling her already and that TV movie was extremely popular in it enhanced her profile and she went to do movies which made her even more famous and in nineteen eighty she got the cover of Newsweek and the headline said Star for the Eighties Meryl Streep and she was kind of horrified by that so she was taking the subway and she saw the magazine down in the subway and she it felt that it was so surreal to be that famous because she didn't want to be that famous because she's an actress and her bread and butter is observing the people out in the wild as inspiration for her roles and she seems to have had a similar relationship with awards because I know that early on and and she would say that she didn't believe in awards that put one actors performance against another and yet. She admits that she also craves the accolades now now that she's set the record for Oscar nominations. Do you think that her love hate. Relationship with awards leans a little more toward love than hate. Oh she loves to win. The thing about Merrill is she's extremely competitive so that part of her that loves to win always he's outranks the part of her that thinks is unfair to rank one performance above the other so she has said that she craves the attention attention and she craves the accolades like any Veron's dom of her stature at the same time she doesn't love all the politicking that that happens around and Oscar Award Season Oscars in award season the whole you know rigmarole. She thinks it Solis. I feel feel like she still thinks that way but most of her just wants to win. She's ambitious yeah well. I WanNa ask you about her background ground before acting although it sounds a little bit like she was more or less acting even when she was a teen and not just on stage you talk about how in highschool she suppressed pressed her loud assertive self almost willed herself into being this very agreeable popular girl cheerleader homecoming queen. It's an interesting contrast to the Meryl Streep that we know. Do you look at that period in her teens as maybe even her first real acting role absolutely so they're real. Meryl Pharrell is Bossy opinionated still fun but extremely and expressive and you know she she stands up for herself but that didn't go over well with the kids in her neighborhood growing up in New Jersey. She had brown frizzy hair. She had glasses asses. She was a bit matronly. Her classmates thought she was the teacher. You know you know what I mean. He was one of those kids who looked older like we all knew kids like that growing up and she was kind of tired of it so she decided to embark on transformation she reds seventeen magazine Eggesin. She lightened her hair. She straightened their hair. She adopted a giggle and an easy going persona and she's not it's totally easy going and she wanted to be appealing to men two boys. I mean I should add two boys and she succeeded at that and then she became homecoming. Queen yeah she seems to have an interesting relationship with her looks and there's also a great story in here where I guess she was up for the remake of King Kong in the seventies and she she auditions for the producer Dino Dila Rentis. Can you tell that story so and she goes in for one of her first major auditions not not Lorenzo's is this major producer he's Italian and she goes in there to read the part that went to Jessica Lang Hang in the one thousand nine hundred seventy six remake of King Kong and she walks in Gino says to his son in Italian this Lisa so ugly. Why do you bring this little. Does he know that Merrill went to Vassar and studied Italian at Vassar and she can understand Dan every word he's saying so she response to him in Italian. I'm sorry you don't like this. This is but this is what you get. What you see is what you get then. She stood up and walked out. She failed the audition. Needless to say Jessica. Lang won it yeah but in the end I suppose oppose it. Kinda worked down in her favourite because as I recall that was not the best of the King Kong movies was it oh no. I mean a fun role for for Jessica but I think Merrill dodged a bullet there. It's funny with Jessica Lang. She has never really been jealous. US of any other actress except for Jessica Lang Ruin Merrill always wished she was more beautiful more conventionally beautiful. She always wanted you know Jessica Lang's legs she was jealous of Jessica's role as Patsy cline in sweet dreams and Merrill had always wanted to sing loved patsy Kline so she just ached for that role and she lost Jessica Lang and it always always haunted her later. She realized that it was a huge waste of time. Wishing she were more beautiful but a big part of her wish that she had that face that say it all like especially in a romantic role like in French Lieutenant's woman which required her to to be this elusive Victorian Taurean beauty merrill felt like she could pull that off. That's fascinating because I was wondering if she's ever had any kind of a famous Hollywood rivalry along on the lines of her and Goldie Hawn in-depth becomes our or Crawford versus Davis. Is that the closest thing it was so I was bean gene journalist and biographer. I was sort of hoping for one of those sorry. Meryl Sorry Merrill I would say there might have been a one sided rivalry with Maryland Madonna yeah because yeah because what Madonna took Evita from her and then she later took what was the film from Madonna Music Art so Merrill House one-sided rivalries with actresses and when it comes to roles where she would get to sing so she had seen Patti Lupone onced on stage in Evita in nineteen seventy nine and she just desperately wanted to sing that part which I think she would just nail so in the late eighties Oliver Stone was going to do the movie adaptation adaptation with Paula Abdul choreographing and Merrill did dub she was you know all signed on on but salary negotiations forced her to walk away and then Oliver Stone walked away to and then in a few years later when she heard that Madonna you know had taken the role of Evita she said jokingly or maybe maybe it was half-jokingly. I could rip her throat out. Wow One thing that stands out about her. In this book is that she's he's almost led a charmed career because even when she was starting out at Yale you say that she was a little bit of a minor celebrity among her peers in fact they even nicknamed nicknamed one of the acting classes Meryl's class and then she moves to New York and almost instantly starts getting cast plays and she sort of mentored by Joe PAPP at the Public Lick Theater. She wasn't exactly typical story of a struggling actress paying her dues Jai. Oh no I mean and that was part of the resentment of her toward other Andrzej news is that she didn't have to wait tables while she waited tables at Yale School of drama or the Yale School of trauma however you WanNa say it but she didn't have to so she basically just got to New York and started working. you know Joe PAPP cast her in her first public theater show trelawny of the wells she had a marginal role but made a big impacts and later starred in Shakespeare in the park and measure for measure and everyone was buzzing about her everyone she was the it girl but she had the talent to back it up while at Yale she spent three years at Yale. She did something like forty different roles in three years and her classmates loved her but also were sort of jealous of her because she was taken all the good parts and I guess her big break was the film Julia and there's another great story hear about her Co.. Star Jane Fonda actually surely teaching her how not to miss her mark onset because that was I guess her first film did find a sort of act as a mentor to her absolutely so like imagine doing your first movie an acting scenes opposite Jane Fonda and you're a young actress and Jane Fonda is or Merrill said she had some like a feral quality a feral alertness. Nobody was worth confident than Jane Fonda and so Meera was intimidated but she was loosening up loosening up and just cracking Jane up just making Jane Laugh half and they had to film another. You know they had to film another take because Jane was like hey look at the floor. That's your mark. He disbanded handed it on that mark otherwise you're not going to be in the movie and get in the light so it's those little things that Merrill I didn't know that Jane sort of taught her and was really a mother hen then when Jane got back to. La She was telling everyone everyone about this amazing young actress that she met an open doors for Merrill that Merrill didn't even know about and this was around the same time that she had an ongoing ongoing relationship with the actor Jon Khazal who people probably know best as freight from the Godfather. They live together for something like three years. Maybe four years yes and then it ended in tragedy. When he was diagnosed with Terminal Cancer. She was by his side through this gradual decline in the eventually passed away. How at his death impact Merrill she and she was devastated. I truly believe this was the love of her life life. I mean she's in a long happy marriage but I believe he was her. Maybe first and greatest love really unders yes. He understood her on a soul level he understood her passion for acting and her commitment to her craft as no other and he taught her things he taught her to not just go with her gut instinct about a character her. I I take on a character but to question the characters motives to really dig deep and do the research and have more questions than answers and that impacted Merrill. He was methodical. His directors called him twenty questions because he couldn't just shut up. He had to like really probe into a character in that sense. He was quite a perfectionist will since you brought up her husband spend she's been married for decades now to the sculptor. Don Gummer. We don't really know that much about him. What is their marriage like. I think don would prefer prefer it that way and she prone to. I mean she's very pro. Yeah September thirtieth will be there for forty first wedding anniversary Eh. She married him six months after John. Khazal died and she had to leave their home in Tribeca and John was a friend of her brothers so don was like hey. I'm going to go on a trip around the world you can stay at my place while I'm gone so she wrote letters to him and they were pen pals then he returns from Asia with You you know his foot in a cast. He's on crutches. He had lagaan motorcycle accident in Thailand and then two months later. They got married at her parents home in Connecticut and her mom goes to Joe. PAPP the founder of the Public Theater. What is she even thinking game because she was still kind of morning. Khazal Joe PAPP had seen her you know offstage at a public theater production just kind of upset about because Al Steph literally a few weeks before her wedding but he knew that Merrill does what's. It's best for her in the moments and the truth is done is a really talented artists and a really good guy. He's a rock. He's also like John. He is so full soulful funny stable and just a really decent recent person and I think Meryl Took Comfort in Him and they've now had four children together who by all all accounts are well adjusted happy successful the exact opposite of the postcards from the edge Hollywood kids type story in fact. I think that one or two of them followed in her footsteps into acting right. Oh Yeah Mamie and grace so she has four kids and Henry Mamie we need grace and Louisa Henry's a musician he is you know very oldest child very understated and a little off the radar but Mamie and grace have made an impact on Broadway they've been on television and in movies Mimi's Amy's first big appearance was as Meryl's at toddler daughter in heartburn in Nineteen eighty-six and the camera would stop rolling and she'd be like go again like she got the bug. They got the bug. early on is kids and that was scary to. Maryl- MARYL- was wary of that because she knows how hard the businesses especially for women but she embraced. She embraced her kids ambition. Dan Bishen to be like her because she understood why they would want to be actors. I think she was empathetic and they were watching greatness in action and it sort of rubbed off on on them. We're GONNA take a quick break and then I'll be back with more with Aaron Carlson. When we come back in just a minute folks you know what a history buff. I am so I wanted to tell you about fun. New podcast from stitcher called lost at the Smithsonian Myth Sonian. It's a pop culture history podcast exploring the little known stories behind iconic artifacts from the National Museum of American history. It's hosted by former daily. Show correspondent of Monty who takes listeners inside the National Museum of American history as he shares smart and fascinating insights into cultural items items like fonzie leather jacket Andorra `this ruby slippers along with National Museum of American History Curator's and celebs us of traces just how how these special objects came to define our culture listen and subscribe to lost at the Smithsonian right now on stitcher apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP and now back to the show. I want to ask you about her. First Oscar winning performances Jason Kramer versus Kramer Kramer Versus Kramer was a pretty interesting choice for an avowed feminist like Meryl Streep because the book and to a Lesser Degree the movie were almost must a backlash against the feminist movement in the sixties and seventies but ironically. It's also probably the film in which she had the most creative input talk a little about what you call her insertion of subtle feminism into Kramer versus Kramer when she got the script for Kramer vs Kramer she didn't love of it and she told the director Robert Benton and the Star Dustin Hoffman that she wanted to humanize Joanna so ana and make her more sympathetic because the book and then the script had cast Joanna as the villain the the bad mommy army who leaves her eight year old son her door eight year old son with her husband and goes off to California to find yourself but she wanted to elicit audience sympathy for Joanna and what she was going through because in her opinion Joanna Kramer was depressed and and there wasn't really language and there were certainly a stigma about that back then where you weren't really allowed to talk talk about depression or mental illness and that's what Joanna had and Merrill thought that she was courageous by making that decision that her son would have a better life with his stable father then with his mother who was going through some stuff and just needed to figure or stuff out so merrill really advocated for her character. She rewrote the dramatic courtroom scene to make it more sympathetic and people were in shock. They loved her speech. She did take after take after taking nailed it and Robert Benton Banton was like no you gotTa Save Your stuff. You know save up your stuff because we're going to do a lot of takes but she nailed it each time a little different each time and I I think the movie was better for it and in the case of life imitating art there was also some famous behind the scenes drama between her and her co Star Dustin Hoffman on that film home. What was it the root of the friction between them. Oh my gosh so dustin was amazing in this movie but he was also a huge jerk and speaking of characters who are going through some stuff he was going through a divorce with his wife and burn. She left him after thirteen years because she wanted to revive her dancing career and so he had I think he was projecting his feelings about his wife onto Merrill because he's a method actor. He was trained in the actors studio. So you mind your personal life and trauma in order to inhabit a character and Merrill doesn't do that. She works from the outside in so she does hall of her advance research but she gets into character through observation costume and makeup so that was their friction because they had different acting styles. What is her process when she's preparing for a role. Does she do a lot of research. How does she do the accents accents. Does she have a dialect coach now. She doesn't she's done twelve twelve different accents. I counted and and she has only used a coach for Sophie's choice because she had to learn Polish and German and and then she had to learn a Polish accent. I mean she can do the accents but it's harder for her to learn the languages. Obviously she definitely needed a tutor for that but she is a bit of a wallflower so for an Silkwood she went to the mall in Texas and observed how people talk and adopted that Texas Twang and she's a mimic so she's had this ability ever since high school where she wasn't the greatest student but she was placed in the advanced placement language classes because she couldn't master the grammar she hates grammar her but she could master the accent and the dial so she has an amazing ear and she. I think a single handedly transformed the the dialect industry I mean I've had dialects coach. Tell me this for the book but she became the standard to whom other actresses and actors I should say compared themselves because after Sophie's choice everyone's like shit excuse my language and I want to win an Oscar. I better hire a dialect coach and if you didn't if you couldn't master accent Oh she made you look so bad because Robert Robert Redford was supposed to do a British accent for out of Africa but a week before filming he's like no I'm going to stick with American and and he got some flack for that because Merrill went above and beyond is doing this Danish aristocratic accent but Robert Vert Redford who got top billing he couldn't he couldn't even talk British most of the great actresses of Hollywood's Golden Age like say say Lauren Bacall or Ingrid Bergman had a certain type and they were famous for playing certain kinds of women onscreen Merrill on the other hand. She's all all over the place from an Italian war bride to Katharine Graham to a nun. It's very hard to pin her down or are there certain hallmarks to a meryl streep streep movie or are there certain things that she looks for in a role yeah so obviously I've thought a lot about this and there's a common common thread between her best characters and I think it's they are tired of pleasing Zien others mostly pleasing men in order to be accepted by society so I'm thinking Lindy Chamberlain in a cry in the dark that was Merrill's first big true crime role where she was playing a woman woman who is falsely accused of killing her two month old daughter who in truth was taken by a Dingo in the outback right right. That's where the phrase the Dingo ate your became. Maybe a Dingo ate your baby elaine from Seinfeld the accents with you here. It's impressive. It's funny you say that because I can pick up accents because I watched. Oh Gosh like sixty five merrill movies. I was watching the antiques roadshow the other day because I'm a nerd like that and there was a a woman from New Zealand's and the show they were doing an episode in Palm Springs and my husband is like what accent is that. I was like that's New Zealand's because a cry in the dark her character grew up in New Zealand and then moved to Australia so she had Australian with a tinge of New Zealand but I know the difference now and I had met a Polish woman and it was like Oh you're from Poland's because I had seen Sophie's choice so I feel like I've traveled the world with Merrill. It's kind of funny. Wow that's amazing so she's helped you pick up accents when you're out and about now absolutely well. I wonder wh- What do you think is her most underrated performance. Maybe a movie that wasn't terrific but she was great in it. It's a movie called Ricky in the Flash. Okay came out in two thousand in twelve and she plays this. She plays this rough around around the edges a cover band performer kind of this deadbeat mom who leaves her family behind in Connecticut Connecticut to go chase her rockstar dreams and just kind of falls through the cracks and like she's singing. Tom Petty Songs and Calabasas Serrano in Tarzana in the valley and trying to make it and she's look George Bush supporter and she's like I support the troops. Don't we all but she obviously has never read a newspaper. You know she's just not really introspective. She's an unlikable kind of ignorant character but you like her because little by little merrill peels the layers back and reveal a woman who on the surface just seems like an idiot but his actually somebody who is wise and brave lives there truth and is actually a good mother because she goes back to Connecticut. Her daughter has attempted a suicide attack and she helps her daughter recover and it's wonderful to see and also meany Amy Gummer. Mamie gummer was in that movie. That's her daughter right. Her daughter was going through a divorce at the time from Benjamin Walker well. I gotta see see that's one. I have to add to my list. I've seen a lot of meryl streep movies but I don't think that I've seen that one now in the early nineties. Her career takes a bit of a slump not coincidentally around the time that she turns forty and in nineteen ninety at a screen actors Guild National Women's conference in fact. I think it was the first conference that they ever held. She gives this famous keynote. Emphasizing the lack of opportunities for women pay parody female role models in the industry. This was back when Hollywood was still very much male dominated. I don't think that Sherry Lansing would take over a paramount for another two years. Did she receive a lot of backlash from the boys club for that. Yes definitely so she was just you know she had two Oscars to her credit but she was still making half as much as ask her male co stars so in the mid eighties eighties that was Robert Redford and Jack Nicholson and she was just pissed off about that Ed because he or she was decorated actress and she still had to prove her worth and her value and in Hollywood that's measured in you know boxoffice boxoffice and you know your salary and Blah Blah Blah Blah so she was is also pissed that for instance Rick Moranis was making just as much money as Michelle pfeiffer. That's cat woman. She's like how could how could that happen so she gave the keynote speech. At the screen actors Guild's first women's conference and it was super fiery. She went off off on the salary disparity between men and women you know actors and how all the good roles for women were being reduced to end her opinion and she was exaggerating prostitute roles. She said something like given all the role good roles that women in had this year you would think the chief occupation for us is hooking and I don't mean rugs so I reference pretty woman she went off on in pretty woman which was the biggest movie of that year and had a breakout star in the form of Julia Roberts who was nineteen or twenty at that time so it was annoying for Julia and other actresses to see Merrill you know Queen Merrill with her Oscars. You know take a platform like that. Because in their opinion they were lucky enough to get a role. Oh like that would be so lucky to get a role Julia Roberts and who is Merrill to tell them you know. Don't take that role. It's bad for for women or to talk down to them when they were just trying to work in a man's world so she wasn't seen as heroic she was seen as petulant and other actresses distance since themselves. what they didn't realize was that she was throwing down a lifeline for them to speak up twenty years later you you know when metoo started you know. Feminism started rumbling again. It wasn't a dirty word anymore and then metoo happened. Other actresses felt felt compelled to speak out because she had been doing it for so long and she paved the way. We'll have to ask then when she accepted her. Oscar for the Iron Lady she singled out Harvey Weinstein for special. Thanks calling him a God. That kinda came back to haunt her they had worked together. I think on quite a few films and she later got some flack for her praise for him whiskey and tell us about their relationship. I feel like you always have to be careful. What you say to late. It's always gonNA come back to haunt you as we learned with cancel culture but she called Harvey. You got the Old Testament version so there was a little bit of a wink in that comments and the truth is a vengeful God. I think she she knew he was a jerk but I feel like he is an abuser and abusers hide there abuse. They target victims who don't have a lot of power so I think he saw Merrill as an equal. I think he was afraid eight of her. I think that you know like his great lengths to survey all his victims. I think he went through great lengths to keep his behavior savior. A secret from stars like Merrill even though she had starred in a number of his films the only time she was in his office she she said was when she and Wes Craven Director of music of the heart went to his office in Tribeca to talk about that film in like Nineteen Ninety nine and I don't think that a lot of people know just how much she has done for women and supporting feminist causes like the Museum of Women's history and other projects could could you talk a little bit about the stuff that she does off the screen in terms of supporting women's causes and in some cases even creating organizations to help out sure sure and when times up Hollywood's response to me too was formed she donated half a million dollars to illegal fund for victims of Sexual Rasmus and then two years before me too she created a writer's retreat through the writers guild old and for women over forty so it's hard for women over forty or women in general sometimes to get a break like phoebe Waller Bridge would be the lucky one so merrill thought that she would help out women of a certain age middle-aged women because those women have the experience to write the roles that she would want to play so she underwrote this retreat eight. That's been going on for about four years now that matches and new rookie women writers who've written promising. I've seen scripts with season producers so that they can groom them and kind of tell them what the business is all about his business as a tricky place to negotiate as sure and she certainly seems to have had the last word in her fight against the Hollywood boys club because when I look back at Oliver Male Co stars from the seventies and eighties Deniro Hoffman Nicholson Redford. They've all retired or at least they worked very seldomly today and yet merrill is still going strong. What do you think is the secret to her having outlasted all of her male contemporaries. Isn't that weird to me. It's weird. It's unusual. She's broken barriers. I four women in their seventies and she's still incredibly bankable in an icon. I think the difference though is that she works at it. I think Nicholson love him. I think he's happy just sitting courtside at a Lakers game yeah. I've made these amazing movies. I don't need to make any more. She's like Steven Spielberg. He doesn't he can just sit back and like he's got so much money and like piece of producer and has a lot of other plates spinning but he still wants to direct movies. He is compelled by it. She is like Spielberg She is compelled toward acting. It's in her blood. She has to do it and what's funny is that she would. I'd say oh I just sit by the phone and wait for a call. I don't proactively seek roles because good roles are so few and far between between for women my age the truth is she actively pursued them and she's not upfront about that for instance. Little women is coming out greg hair wigs remakes coming out in December Greta GERWIG directed lady bird which was a phenomenal movie and Merrill. All saw that I'm sure loved it when she heard Greta was doing little lemon. She lobbied for that part as aunt. March and Greta wasn't like not not gonNA give it to her. I mean Merrill Lens Star Power Credibility sure but greg also gives Merrill relevance events so Merrill has been extremely good even going back to Spike Jones and adaptation at sustaining her career through working strategically with younger hot talent yeah absolutely and she's nurtured a lot of them and I mentioned a minute ago the Oscar she won for the Iron Lady. streep is is pretty well known as a political liberal sometimes more outspoken than others was it like when she starred as Margaret Thatcher in the Iron Lady. How did she portray someone. Who's is politics was so diametrically different from our own. Oh That's Merrill for you though yeah she's always she's always always surprising us always kind of wanting to push back against expectations of what she would do so she was attracted to Margaret because because there are tons of bioethics about like male politicians you know like Nixon there's there's just so many so many that have been done throughout the years but this was the first movie about a prominent woman politician and I think thinks she was attracted to that and not because of factors politics but because of what that role represented for women will real quickly before we go. I have to ask ask what in your opinion is the Best Meryl Streep Performance of all time. Oh my gosh that's like having me choose between in my children of Joe. That's a bad joke. It's so cliche my favorite performance or her greatest performance low okay. Let's do both then okay greatest performance Silkwood my favorite performance Delaware's product okay a little guilty pleasure. There yeah yeah I it's funny. I think that probably her. Last performance was her best in my opinion. I loved her and big little lies I I just I thought that she was just so incredible. In that character was so nuanced the fact that she was this kind of quiet mousy little grandmother who had this agenda and was so passive passive aggressive and the way that she would test boundaries and then feign ignorance and in a sense I mean I thought she was absolutely brilliant. In that one again the book his called Queen Merrill the iconic roles heroic deeds and legendary life of Meryl Streep Aaron Carlson. Thanks so much for talking with me. Thanks so much for having me aw thanks again to Aaron Carlson for coming on the podcast what her new book Queen Merrill the iconic roles roles heroic deeds and legendary life of Meryl Streep on Amazon audible or wherever books are so if you enjoyed today's podcast podcast be sure to subscribe to us on Apple podcasts and rate and review us while you're there five star ratings and detailed reviews are one of the best ways for new listeners to discover the show you can also follow us on facebook or on twitter at at kick ASS news pod in recommend us to your friends on your social media for more fun stuff off visit kick ASS news. Dot Com and I welcome your comments questions and suggestions at comments at kick. Ass News Dot com her now. I'm Ben Mathis and thanks for listening to kick ASS news

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"Hey everybody Josh twitter here alongside emily. Fox with some bonus wrap up big little lies coverage bridge. It's big little lies today. Prize Prize piggly the last. How many layers are there inside. Verka be three or a full of moderate RIPA. How're you doing. You're singing. You're saying you're not a podcast. That must mean you're in a great mood throwback back to you poppy surprise if anyone ever by puppy surprise as a toy growing up in the nineties. I wasn't forward to the inevitable gritty puppy surprise reboot. You'd think it's GonNa be I was certain I was picking a puppy or not a puppy more than three in it and then it had three and I was so mad. I'm working on like a dog harder thing something that I'm working on him. That's my spare time. It's not a lie. Maybe I should call. We're not one of the lies. Maybe puppy surprise should be the name of what I'm working on. That's neither here nor back the toy because I want to see if I can pick one now that I'm GonNa Adult. That definitely has more than three puppies. Stay tuned for big little puppy surprise five series coming your way as you know we are. We are wrapping up. Big Little lies your little later than we had promised but we are here with our final all show our big little lies. Wrap up our farewell to WIG. Little is big little guys. Whatever you wanted to call and say don't forget big little guys? What a Hashtag name really. It took off big little guys. I liked that too but we're getting close to about two weeks removed from the big little lies Bonaly at this point and here. We are her to put a nice fat bow on our coverage. I don't know why it had to be fat boat. It'd be a slim bow. It's just a bow niece. Stop saying. Why do you have a problem word bow tie. It's a weapon choice if you need to use it in a post apocalyptic survival situation another annunciation. It's <hes> bending over. I believe it's Abou vows. We're taking one last bow here. Talking about big little lies as promised in our last big little analyzed podcast. We have some final feedback just a little bit that we want to sort through here. We also have some gifts to exchange. Yeah that's right. We've got some train in gifts well. We'll reset exactly what happened today. With all of that you are punching today and maybe we have some final points to make about a big little lies along the way plus some thoughts on where the franchise could go next. Should the franchise continue on. We'll also talk a little bit about what we're doing next week. Emily and I are doing next big. A little lies is over but we are truly just getting started here. On Post Show recaps Emily Fox and I are going to move on from Monterey to New York City our hometown <music> talking about succession returning for its second season on H._B._O.. On August eleventh and we have been rewatching season one. It's been very very enjoyable. It's been so much fun to do if you've not checked out succession before you've got some time again. August eleventh is when the second season. It's an easy. I think it's easy to catch up on episodes for the full hour but they go really quick. They're very funny. There's sometimes very dramatic and stress dark. It's one of those shows that kind of defies explanation in terms of genre. Is this a comedy drama whereas whereas the balance on that on any given week so development with a lot. It's like it's like a more serious arrested development horrible way of framing and family drama if you haven't heard of succession. You don't know anything more about it. We'll talk about it a little bit tiny bit later in this very podcast but emily and I will be back next week with a full on preview you show for succession. We'd love to get your feedback for that. If you're a succession fan or you just have questions about succession predictions for season two all of that. We're going to do a preview show. uh-huh before succession launches its second season so send that back in APO show recaps at round Howard at Emmett tweet to all three of us. That's the easiest easiest way we are finding to to collate and collect your feedback so we're gonNA inked. We're going to aim to record that mid week next week. Timing might be a little flexible well. I'll be away on assignment emily. I'll miss you so much. We'll be we'll be talking from from. We'll be star-crossed. conversationalist distance makes the heart that's. That's what I've heard of course. That's what I've heard. I skip right past that part. <hes> even though big little lies over you you should be subscribed to what we're doing here on poster recaps you've so much going on in addition to the succession podcast. That's coming up. Mike Bloom and I just podcast about Frankensteins in Stein's monsters monster Frankenstein which is a thing that is real and we spend a decent amount of time or at least I do saying. That's the thing that exists and also defies explanation. It's part of our stranger things adjacent coverage and next week we're GONNA be talking about some more stranger things adjacent coverage we announced bounced at the Frankensteins Monsters Monster Frankenstein that we're going to be doing a podcast about the never ending story. Emily was a big part of the stranger things finale. Did you receive the never ending story. Yeah it's responsible for me. Gain picked up my parents early at asleep over here. You leave eight me nervous. Kurt and nothing was kind of a puppy surprise surprise. Here's the thing I saw the never ending story to I with my dad weird because we went to the movie theater to see something else and it was sold pulled out so he was like how about this instead. Oh my God I wish people knew Emily's father going to opt to see the never ending story to is a really incredible being entertained but like not really knowing exactly what was going on and I was also pretty young then and then I saw the first one on ETA sleepover soon afterwards and it freaked me out and it had to call and get picked up to go home. That's an amazing story that I will. I will relate to Mike when Mike Bloom and I get together to talk about the never ending story next week. It was a big part of the stranger things finale which is why it triggered the excuse to go back and check out the never ending story for Mike and <hes> who I believe I had said on our most reason podcasts. I haven't seen that movie in a decade. At least I think Mike was the same way so it's GonNa be fun. Neil rewatch it to uh-huh feedback. Pick me up from my own apartment. I have to sit with what I've seen in your feedback for that and we fox and everybody else at round Howard at a Mike Bloom type at Po show recap we would love to feel that during our never ending story podcast and then we're going to have one final stranger things adjacent isn't podcast coming your way before Mike and I launched our next podcast series and it's going to be a long enduring podcast series <hes> we're going to be launching it like a raft out into the ocean as beautiful music soars in the background and we have to show that you and I have talked about on post show recaps in the past two. Do I can't reveal it lost by we'll get there where we get their subscribe to bow show recap on your podcast. App Of choice a lot going on here and plenty of other bonus coverage and other show coverage. I think the fall is going to be a very busy fall for us here <hes> A._J.. Mass and I just talked about dark on Netflix so that is a podcast that you should only listen to after you have seen that show but if you've seen that show you check it out with that make me want picked up from asleep. Yes yes. I think he might enjoy dark but I would not recommend you. Watch it alone. That would be tough noted all right before we go any further I wanNA take a quick second to thank our sponsors for our big little lies wrap up podcast and I want to tell you that this episode is brought to you by progressive saving saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. It's an average savings of six hundred ninety nine dollars a year for customers who switch and save in fact act customers can qualify for an average six discounts on their auto policy when they switched to progressive discounts just for starting quote online or owning multiple vehicles so get your quote online at Progressive Dot Com and see how much you could be saving discounts not available in all states and situations Emily Fox here we we are. We are talking about big little lies season two in review. We're looking back in the mirror much like one of the Monterey five driving their kids off to school in the title sequence there just staring ahead sometimes looking in the mirror. We're looking backwards. We've got some time looking everywhere trying understand how this show and trying to get side swiped. You know we're just trying to do everything I know that when we got together for the finale podcast we were like a little bit down on what we felt was a pretty anticlimactic ending to to a season that could could often feel a little bit meandering often feel like it was shot out of a cannon and then where was it going certainly a lot of controversy along the way with the Andrea Arnold stuff that popped up along the way but I don't know I mean just like almost two weeks later at this point. What are your thoughts on either the finale specifically or just season two at large. I mean as let it marinate a little bit and I think for for me. It has allowed me to look at each individual actor within the you know ensemble in really really appreciate what they brought to the table. <hes> I do still think that there are a lot of sort of dead end and plots and it could have been a little bit more compelling and polished but you know such as a lot of seasons that are made out of something. That's meant to be like a limited sort of T._v.. The show so I I don't know I have mixed feelings about it still but I also really appreciate the cast yeah I mean. I think that that was what we were. Most excited ended about into it to begin with. I mean when we were rewatching the season where we got this incredible collection of actors like it wouldn't have worked if they were like everyone's coming back except except Laura dern that I would have been like what are we doing here like the fact that everybody was in for season two and then you put the Cherry on top with Merrill that sort of made it for me. I am really still very happy with the casting and how everyone did yeah but I mean now that we're we're removed from it and we did get so much. Meryl Streep Sleep we got weekly Meryl Streep and there was a new thing to love about Meryl Streep Every Single Week and even though we got more Laura Dern as insane Renata Atta every single week just having a remarkable meltdown moment was the juice worth the squeeze. I the episodes were short which was merciful. It was only seven episodes long. It's a pretty tight run time when you look at the full package and it was certainly an excuse for you and I to get together on a microphone every single week and that's very fun thing to do and I had a great time time I am but was the juice worth the squeeze for a second season ultimately now that we know what the destination was. Do you think when you when you look back at big little is. Is it a stronger piece if it's just one season I think it is yeah. I agree yeah kind of a no brainer question right. I mean that had to be the case. I think that there I think once the news about the Andrea Arnold stuff came out and that she had a lot of control a either rested away from her depending on your read it soured the Jews that India of that into buyer stories you know I I think that once once at the very least it seemed like there were some difficulties behind the scenes however you want to Parse it out think once. Those reports came out for me. It really did crystallized like a lot of why this just didn't feel right like there was something not quite right about season two it just it felt all different and not different in a way where it was like somebody putting their truly unique stamp on the season it felt like something that was trying so hard to the first season and it makes much more sense when you know it was it was probably shot in a way and filmed in a way and structured in a way so so as to make it its own unique beast and then it was you know rehash to kind of fit the quote unquote how style so I think once you once you know. Oh that and once you hear that for me at the very least I don't wanNA speak for everybody and I know that there's people who loved this season but I do think that the vast majority of the feedback that you and I got along the way or people who who expressed some ambivalence a lot of appreciation for the acting above all else and disappointment with with the story in the pacing and stuff so. I don't think that we're speaking out of school from from where many people landed with this definitely but I think that like once you know a little bit more about about some of that behind the scenes stuff. It's hard to separate. It's hard to like not see. The seems like they really show yeah definitely well. Let's get into some of this feedback shall wh- before we get into the feedback. There's a few things that I want to talk about. I feel like this is. This is going to be our last time potentially to ever talk about big little wise. Will you miss me Emily. I will never be apart from you other than the occasional workshop you and I will be together forever. Wasn't that kind of like romantic thing to say as I'm <hes> like lightly armed. I'm sorry I'm so sorry ticklish but I love. I love you very much. You're very dear to me and we will we will find something to podcast just about and if and if not we will have hilarious conversations in our day to day. We're never talking about this ever ever again you. You're not allowed to bring it up no but I think it'd be a fun opportunity to kind of like give superlatives quite awards but you know maybe a few superlatives and I had a few written down. If you've got some that you want to invent along the way after I go through my my roster of what I had written down. I would love to hear him M._V._p.. Is Clearly Meryl Streep Right Eight. I mean like how could it not be. I guess really I was GONNA say Granada Yeah but I think that those are the only two choices I think that'd be only the there was there was a lot of material for Bonnie this season. Some people seemed to really be not into the body storyline. I really I really like Zoe Kravitz. Habits a lot and I was so happy to see more from her. Lets her superlative well. I don't know we'll get we'll get to that but I think really trying to cut to the chain. Yeah I think for for me. He like just the fact that you have Meryl Streep Brian here like that's that's fair. You know. Maybe maybe I could be convinced. That regatta is the M._v._p.. But Meryl Streep is the most likely to win Miami Yeah I mean that's really what the superlatives breakdown to this season of big little lies was not eligible for the forthcoming Emmy awards because is of when it was released a lot of TV can come out between now and then and I also think actually that a lot of the the turmoil royal behind the scenes I wonder I wonder between that and the distance between the this season finishing and when it's next when the next emmys are going to be out and it's eligiblity will it will be something that that that is remembered very well. I think at the various Meryl Streep is still going and get a nomination and probably a win. I mean she's Meryl Streep so yeah. She's Meryl Streep so give M._v._p.. To Renard I like that I think I do you. What's your fondest Renat a memory <music> of the season Kleenex in Gordon's mouth saying things that were past behaviors to him were also so great? I would like the one offs I will never not be rich that whole that whole moment was great. Renato is fantastic more Laura dern cleese everything. I've never seen enlightened emily. Do you know I have either and I've been interested to check it out. After this particular might be something that we could do just on our own time and if we're if we're so inclined to talk about it in a future podcasts perhaps we could but I feel like that's a show. That's out there waiting for us and those who don't know enlightened H._B._o.. Show Laura dern was it's The star survivor. David versus Goliath very own second-place finisher. Mike White heavily involved in the creative behind that I know Colin stone own is a is a huge fan of enlightened as well Colin. If you are listening I have heard your take on that so on my radar so perhaps something we could do. How about I'm emily? I noticed your your bash brothers reference that you tried to sneak in there I thought you did a great job underrated story line what it was an underrated storyline from season to something from season to that either. We didn't talk about too much or something that we you know. Maybe didn't lavish as much praise onto as you feel like. Maybe we should or even if you want to say like underrated character Tom what happened is the the undrafted. The underrated storyline of season two was the disappearance of Tom that went without any acknowledgement whatsoever to the point that maybe people even forget who tom is the guy at the cafe who make it so that no one forgets Tom. Jammer forget jeans. I love interest on big little little lies. He just vanished in the night. Maybe it was like wow a guy died and that really freaked me out and I need to move yeah. He was like I'm too close to all of these women and Gordon finally was was able to flex on time and got him out of town. Season three will be the time show the Tom Spinoff. It's been great. I realize I breezed past l._V. Leased East Valuable Player of season two of big little lies. Who Do you got for that? Khloe Khloe playlists were not nearly as Khloe. She was so inoffensive she didn't do anything wrong exactly she wasn't even around not ed in at a Nathan. Oh Yeah Nathan's L._V. Pay for sure. I know we know here's a controversial. Take potentially I love Nathan that is definitely not the take. I think that if you were <hes> I think that they're a contender for L. V._p.. And it's not because of the acting you know she's a phenomenal phenomenal actress. Oh Oh now you've got to drop a bomb. They just did a bad job with the madeline store and I don't know it's not reese witherspoon soon. Reese Witherspoon is not the M._v._p.. Of Big little lies season two but I think that the character the story arc for Madeline was a whip. She didn't have a lot to do until she did the best that she could with what she was given. I thought she's Reese Witherspoon. She's likely to divorce after renewing vows. I mean depending on how things shake. How do you think how do you think that that played out in reality renew their vows and then she goes to the police station? Do they renew their vows and by the way already I participated in the we talked about this like how do you renew your vows and then that same night you're like Ed. I'm just going to go for a quick drive at don't worry about it. I have not told you the most significant thing that's happened to me in the last year. Yeah I think that's GonNa be that's GonNa be awkward at best about takes the punching bag back out who do you. What do you think was the biggest missed opportunity entity of season to something that they could have done better and let's take tom out of the equation because I know that that's your answer is? You're seeking justice for Tom. I think if this is really something that everyone's tormented by and trying to figure out then we need to see more of the detective work that's being done right like I think we talked about it before or maybe I don't know I've been reading so much about this last couple of weeks. It's like why would you bring Corey in and question him and not talk to other people that are around these women like how are the husband's not involved more. How is the detector work just like being scooted under the rug and everyone's like Oh? I don't know like I I don't know usually means that you stopped investigating right right right right like we see these little shots of the detective here and there are those shots were so tiny and it just doesn't make sense. I don't know like we should have seen her trying to build more of a case and be more intimidating and more you know more pressure on all of these these women on a regular basis if they feel the need to actually go and confess at the end yeah I agree with that. I know what I mean. Yeah hundred percent any other superlatives was that you've got that you would like to award to people in the either either like the cast the characters the story lines anything from big little lies train set yet at goes to Gordon for sure no-one competes Tijuana exchange gifts. No we'll get there. Get there. We'll get there. You're trying to shake up the order emily. I have a very specific structure to this. I am not reading your time time line at all very quickly I I would love to have more Meryl Streep on my atv every single week. I wanted to see if you had any work shopping ideas for what a Meryl Streep T._V.. Show could look like you know. They say that the Indie film scene is is a dying art emily and that T._v. is the new art house that you can go to television. You can craft these ten hour narratives and you can really dig into a character and I think that there's still a lot of great independent movies being made but T._v.. Is King Right now on the line between film and T._V.. Is Blending so much that what truly is cinema anymore what divides the line between what is a small screen screen effort and a big screen effort. What would it take? What's the story? What's the hitching TV character? What's the Meryl Streep? She didn't say anything. That's the point Gimme Gimme one. Give me one what would you like to see. Would you like to see like an alias. reboot starring Meryl Errol Street in the Jennifer Garner role listening reboot Meryl Streep with like Maryland and Sydney Bristow has in that first episode Meryl Streep Streep on a fresh prince reboot who K. R. Right. I'm feeling that yeah. I assume that she's playing Jeffrey the Butler no that would be Pinkett Smith. She's Jazzy Jeff. She's married to Carlton. Oh I like that. Oh my gosh yeah. Carlton did well for yourself so as long as a reboot sequel. You're talking about yeah. Sadly uncle Phil or I._p.. Can't even talk about longer. I don't WanNa talk about it yeah. Well you know it's James Avery dying one of the saddest. They really upsetting very upsetting one of my favorite T._v.. Dad Oh yeah I mean. He is in the conversation upright right now emily. Emily has a deep abiding love for all things fresh prince. I think Meryl Streep is like sort of like the matriarch of Carlton Banks is but if she did like a good a Meryl Streep Travel Show could be good. Wouldn't that be amazing. Yeah love to see I would love to after after the story that we told about up Dennis O'Hara getting dragged into like the secret elite basement party by Meryl Streep. I want to know more about these basement. Parties at Meryl Streep has is their husband has been like a sculptor. I'm not sure that's cool art parties. I'm not sure I'd love to see Meryl Streep Guest starring in the final season of Mister robot because her daughter Grace Gummer bummer is a series regular on that show that would be frigging super cool. I'd be pumped about that. She's like P._d.. Wash woman now. She could be like hanging out with Viti one. There's GonNa be more Reese Witherspoon on TV in our near future emily. She's got two different shows coming out what she's she's. Yes she's got you didn't want. She's gotTa show called little fires everywhere. That's coming out on on that was the book was it. Have you read it now. What you don't know what it's about Uh? I think I have read it. Actually I need to go with the cover of Google. That's about but I know it's it's coming to. It's coming to Hulu do which is which is ironic because her other show is going to apple because Apple T._v. is going to be a thing and apple is starting to produce their own content and it's called the morning show in the morning. Show is going to be about morning news and it's not just reese witherspoon. It's like a very insane cast Steve Carell. L. is going to be in that. I wrote this read. This girl is going to be in the show. I'll Nestor Carbonell. Richard Alpert from lost is going going to be on the morning show so looking forward to to seeing that like even if we're not going to get weekly Meryl Streep in our near future or televised Meryl Streep again in our near future we're GONNA get televised Reese Witherspoon and maybe one or two or or both of those shows <hes> we will we will get a chance to check out. What is a little fires everywhere now that you've refreshed? You're refresh your brain basically like a story of these families. One is like very wealthy and one is not and they're sort intertwined by all sorts of crazy stuff. That's happening in the burbs cool. It's a good it's a good story. I completely forgot about it. I read it. Maybe two years ago that good no it is. It's a really good story. I just I needed to refresh my oh so you've already read the book. I've read the but yeah so I don't have to force. I do any homework. Why do you always make me read? The always say like I make you read the Book and hand me a book and you're like you should read this about. We like somebody should be doing the research to be me. I know how to read very tough for me. I'm watching too much T._v.. In my eyes hurt and I can't read any little baby ah this is are we find out that show is coming out and it's adapting a book and it's one that you're really interested in you. All have columns for modern mud okay okay. That sounds like a plan. I mean modern love is going to be a T._v.. Show on Amazon in a couple of months and I was checking out the timing and it's it's probably going to be launching punching shortly after succession end so that may write it so it'll be tearing up a little bit. Oh Man all right. That's really good start. That's exciting modern. Love is a great podcast. If you haven't listened to the part I do it every time I scrubbed toilets and we and we and we love to make me listen to to Meyer enough because the ones that you've already listened to I I liked to watch for your reaction that weird. No I like watching things and then re watching them with you for the first time that you can. I can watch what you do. What do I do? I saw Dr watched gone girl like I had already seen the movie and I sat there and watched you while you watch the movie the great you hate when I do that no don't hate. I don't like it when you watch me while I eat. I get very self conscious. That's fairly get self conscious about that. I don't really do that anymore. They do sometimes see how you're buying your feedback feedback feedback all right. This is Romy Hillary. I think Hillary has a take that I agree with about out. Big little lies season. Two Overall Hillary says the acting was fantastic but overall disappointed with the season would have liked to have seen this season start artwork ended the five confess to the lie that trial would be about Perry's death and some of the other stories this season could still be told through flashbacks yes yes I do think to go back to like the big missed. Opportunity missed opportunity. Is We really dragged out the Li- probably too long song that moment where everybody goes to the police station at the end of the at the end of the season the final image of big little lies season two we could could've explored some of the ramifications of that more. I know that I get it that like everybody wants to do the ambiguous ending right now that's cool and typically. I think it's totally fine but I have a hard time with the the ambiguous ending when you when you spun your wheels for like three or four episodes in a row before handed didn't have too much in the way of forward momentum on your story at all there was so much much baked in those first two episodes and we we talked about this last right right and then it was just like you know nothing's Ville for so long I was reading about some of the legal stuff that would have happened behind. The scenes are not even behind the scenes but what would have probably been sentenced for <unk>. I'm not saying this correctly how the women might have been sentenced if they had confessed to this and how it would have really panned out because it would have been considered self-defense probably for most most of the women and then Bonnie will probably would have gotten hit with a manslaughter charge but because it wasn't intentional she was just sort of trying to push him off of the women she probably would have only gotten like two to three years Max but that would have been an interesting thing to follow and see and like can you even imagine if like Bonnie was like put in jail jail and Nathan coming to visit her and her having to reckon with like Oh my God I don't love my husband. Miss my child one of Trauma even if you're not lying about it like the recovery from that might have been just as insane and Mary Louise still could have shown up and been like hey I want my kids yeah like the kids taken from Celeste. I think the thing about that totally did not have been a better story well I think I think I think what you highlight. What you're highlighting is? What season to end up doing is having everybody? Keep the lie tight to the to the vest like not revealing anything to anyone in other than Bonnie. I don't think it was like the main plot engine for anybody. I think like the big plot engine for Madeline for Reese Witherspoon character was that she ahead cheated on Ed and got found out and had to deal with that it wasn't about the bigger ally that she was like protecting and like how it was sitting poorly with her her for Renato wasn't about the lie at all I mean it's called out a couple of times by Gordon where he's like. You have the guards up but really the deal with Renata. <hes> seems to be like the bankruptcy the fact that every everything she had worked so hard in her life to build up was was starting to fade away and these are deep traumas in these horrible events in like worth examining but the protection of the live for those characters especially really didn't matter all that that much to their story gene and Celeste are kind of most affected by the impending custody battle that happens with with with Mary Louise entering the picture and Jane is really mostly dealing with can I trust somebody again can open my heart to somebody romantically at all in the form of Corey and they just they really didn't explore it much which is which is why I wonder if the Bonnie story which does stem so much from her guilt over what she did. Does that play a little bit better if the if the if the secret of the Monterey five is exposed earlier if it comes out earlier and is the reese witherspoon storyline. Is that stronger if as a show of like I trust you Ed and I'm dealing with some shit it. I was involved in Perry's debt. This happened and we don't know what to do about it like does that. Push that storyline forward in an interesting different way so I think that there is a there was a i. It feels like they had this idea in their mind at the end like we want. We want things to walk off with. We want we want we want to show to walk walk off with the Monterey walking into the police station and it's a cool image and I get it but it was just it was also played in unfaithful at the end of that movie right but it was just like driving in the car which is sitting there with the light turning red green again Diane Diane Diane Lane Three. Oh my God can you imagine you can can't even hit the Mike with my hand. I'm just so excited. Julia Allen Rates in and says without a doubt season three should be the trial of the Monterey five that seems like the the obvious setup for a third season but I think that we both agree that a third season isn't terribly likely and if it does come together it's probably not going to be for a while and and I would bet that if that's the case then we're past the point of the trial of the Monterey five but it could be like an interesting basis for some flashbacks explain like the mysterious mysterious conditions around whatever their new lives are are like but I don't think that they can just ignore the ramifications of what happens to the Monterey five should should the franchise continue which I think we both agree that it probably won't end I will I'm not mad at the idea of I know it was suggested I think maybe Antonio oneal suggested this Antonia Massaro suggest the idea of like maybe like a reunion movie at some point down the line or something like that could be fun be down with that but it needs to be really measured shirt and smart about how it introduced or reintroduced totally Juliane also had another idea for a spin off. Oh that Renata they still works titled She also suggested Granada Takes Manhattan as as an idea for a Renata spinoff up. She's also added. Maybe she could join one of the real housewives franchises I mean that would be a great storyline within the world of big little. It's like how she makes her money back Jack. What if you could parlay it into a storyline as a real housewife where she's like? I started from nothing that I lost. Everything and I'm back trying trying to build my way up well. What about third season that once? The story of the Monterey five is made public in the house by day become like the real housewives housewives of Monterey and Andy Cohen jump on it and you know but like I think like within the world of this show if there was like some sort of like T._v.. Show that exposes all they're like interesting stories to world that could be hilarious. Oh my God it'd be like some of their snazzy tag lines. They always have caddy tag lines in the opening credits. Oh my God todd uh never not be rich. The list is like I'm a stay at home mom that I know how to law you're out. I I know how to lawyer Madeleine would say my daughter better go to college. Is I'm GONNA blow a gasket which takes us into this next bit of feedback. People have every reason to live so I liked that that one's good but then on the shirt that is correct twenty-one on twitter wrote in with a few pieces of feedback back the first one is abigail refusing to go to the college that storyline was pointless and went nowhere correct that is correct twenty one that is correct that is correct twenty-one like why even bother. I don't know I mean it was just a vehicle for heard word be talking about Madeleine's infidelity really yeah she has to move home and Madeleine's upset with her and they're Alec speaking freely to candidly and that's kind of it yeah so blah. I really know where that was. Blah Blah Blah that correct to anyone also has this to say all the Nathan and Ed fighting scenes went nowhere that is correct that is correct twenty-one but but I'm happy about it. I'm not mad that the Nathan an ad thing really didn't amount to much in the end that was fine by me yeah it's just not necessary and even an ED dynamic by the way in just to further plug succession at that we are about to get into succession. It does what big little lies wanted to do with Nathan and ED in such a better way with two characters. Tom and cousin Greg or two of the funniest characters anything on T._V.. Right now for my money so we'll talk about that a lot like the anti Nathan and ED is Tom and cousin Greg and I don't. I hope I'm not jinxing it for season two because it is the stuff in season buckle head. Wow Yeah that is that is a line that is a line that is correct when he went with the one more piece of feedback. I felt like the new teacher kids was going to play a bigger role. We never saw him or the school. It's like I'm out of time. That would have been fun in the U._S.. went to go smoke a cigarette and the place that nobody can catch them smoking cigarettes and then we barely saw him again. I think we saw him again at the assembly was after that but then we never really I saw him again or something like this. Because this flaming incorrect twenty one principal WanNa say principle. I think that that's close Ursula help. I think that a lot live the school related steph sort of faded out pretty quickly to like we spent like the first half of the season at the school and then suddenly it was not about the school anymore which leads us nicely into these final two pieces of feedback that we've got from laid out there Olivier van Abell who writes in and says we had a few view very touching moments with Celeste sons during the last two episodes of season two but should the show have done more to work on the individuality of both those characters so the season one finale it did show Max and Josh reacting differently to the violence in their household bringing one of the big reveals of the episodes and I thought it wasn't really addressed during season two instead. They're kind of just the twins a also adds among the kids in big little lies sky. Bonnie's daughter stayed in the background during the two seasons. If a third season season should ever happen what kind of development could show bring about for her and I think just becomes like to yeah obviously she's got the crystal and the feather and the bone. I think AH Libya's greater point. There wasn't a kids played sports. I read I mean I think we're like sort of showcase in a way that the other kids weren't in a moment of individuality where I mean I I guess I couldn't tell you which one but one of them seems to be like more of like the strong arm and like I think it was nice to see them sort of interact with Sigi but then rose to his defense and that was great yeah whatever happened to that kid is dead through turn to rely season three. Oh No yeah I agree though it. It felt like it was I mean honestly it's less about the kids because because everyone's kind of dealing with their demons in terms of the lie but also for the most part felt like yeah. We didn't see a ton of the kids I mean that's goes goes to my point about talking about chloe earlier right right so that's by had Khloe as V._p.. I would've loved to have seen more of the kids I know that ziggys he's tied up with Young Sheldon Indian Armitage having a very promising career right now but there's other kids in the show that we could have seen more of I would have liked that. I think that would have been nice yeah. The fact that everyone could sporadically quickly jump up and go to late night meetings without having to schedule childcare is interesting. It's also rare. It's fairly rare at least in the shows that I tend to talk about that the that the kid acting is as good as it is on big little lies so these are these are like actually like they're sweet. Children missed opportunities. You think yeah I think I I would I would add that to the list less edited Nathan more children and we did have one other piece of feedback that you wanted to wanted to bring into this there was there was one one little but a feedback that came in right before we started recording that I was not able to collect for my podcasting purposes but emily I know that you yes yeah so this is from Steph be. She says not sure if you guys made the last podcast check out this interview with failing woodley she gives a spoiler that wasn't in the finale with this clip of changed how you feel about the ending so she went on Jimmy Kimmel live. When was it the airing of the failing it was before the airing of the finale okay? We'll so that makes a difference yeah. Yeah you know what let me just check the date on this shirt or and I believe that she goes on there and she says that there was going to be a scene in the finale alley where the Monterey five go to Perry's grave except the body body is missing so I want to know how that would have worked. Would they've gone to the grave and like they dug up the grave to see if Perry's bodies yeah he's in like some sort of glass case. I took it as a joke and I think it was Shaleen Woodley Messing with people. I didn't take it too seriously. If the question is like how would that have impacted things I think thinking would have impacted things. Severely it sounds like zombies are thing in the universe of big little lies there would have been Zombie story line for season three which which would have been kind of ridiculous in crazy. I think this was posted two weeks ago. Okay so maybe it was like right either right before ready. Yeah I tend not to buy it but who who knows I mean that would've definitely Zombie Perry into the mix and I think that would have been a little bit more intrigued than like Oh. We've got zombies now. He has vampire experienced variance. That's right maybe this was this was like a parallel universe Eric North men and he could team up with the vampire King of Mississippi Mississippi. The WHO is aligned with Eric North means mother who is so much hotter once he cut his hair for true blood who the vampire king of Mississippi Know Eric Vampire Empire King of Mississippi was especially attractive in the first season of American horror story but that's just me. I did think that there was a bit of an issue though because like can't you not change your appearance and that's why bill bill always had like a really old school haircuts at right yeah but Eric North men can cut his hair because everyone was like yeah. He'll look way better. I think you could forgive continuity issue like that can all right. I'll never forget this gift exchange. Yeah you're right so we'll just to establish this again so I did a draft heading into the finale with predictions for the season Finale Allie. Emily's predictions were that Bonnie would die and she also predicted that Mary Louise will not get custody of the children evening. She also predicted that Jane would move away with Ziggy. I predicted that there would be some sort of resolution to the ED and Nathan storyline thrilled to be wrong about that. I also that we're not in Gordon would get a divorce. I think we were Kinda like and I also predict that Mary Louise would be revealed bill to be to have been responsible for Perry's brother's death which is pretty close pretty close and I think that the two as like added up to a point total yeah what was at stake was that emily and I would get each other a train related gift te in honor of Gordon. Yes the last time we shall honor this man that was despite of Gordon that was valued at thirty dollars or less. Yes Emily. Would you like me to present to you or would you like to present to me. I I'll present to you. Okay okay here. We go gosh. I'm very yeah okay so emily has an orange bag so wind. She has actually not why wind bag. I'm not a drinker any awkward if he just got me why bags to offer so many reasons if you got me. It's not an orange bag for any other reason than like it was the right thing opening bag all right so emily has gotten me some temporary train tattoos the the back of it There's a lot of great instructions for how to apply these tattoos. What are some of the tattoos tattoos are there? It's hard to read exactly what they say because the text is backwards seeing a lot of a backwards asked you which I assume is U._S._A.. Would be my bet there is there's one that says train trains rock trains rock rock. There's a train track. There's a couple of lightning bolts. There's three lightning bolts not really sure what lightning bolts have to do with the city. I guess it's high mole all daddy did. It's the high voltage. There is a like a spike like the like what you used to create the railroad that I've been working on all day. There's a lantern okay. You have more stuff in the space. You go minds. This is great. So when am I going to apply the tattoos as soon as in this trip next week and we can't. I'm going to be wearing short sleeves points. These don't watch you'll have to put one on your okay all right well we'll do we'll figure this out head to Emmett on instagram slash at round Howard on instagram in the days ahead. We will post a story of the delivery the tattoos I'll put them on emily. You gave me the tattoos up the tattoos on a New York subway pen yeah with all of the various different train lines on here. This is neat. Actually this is really cool. Let's see how it writes. I'm just GonNa read on my handrail fast. Let's see it's not the kind of ink that's GonNa Explode on my hand on an airplane so this is very useful for the days ahead and people will know that you were at Hughhewitt you from New York. This is great okay. Oh Emily I know I'm broke the rule. Okay Bro Happening Right now. I broke the raw reaching into the orange bag. I think it's worth breaking the rule reaching into the orange bag and my sense of touch tells me I have not looked at it yet. There's some some paper around it. The paper does not hide the item if this is this is a coffee mug and emily we have we have a walled surplus of coffee explicitly explained to everybody in our life any comedy may if it's Christmas or don't do a nice gesture yeah. We don't need them. We need no more coffee mugs. Were set. We're good. We're fine having said this. I feel like we're going to show up at a podcast event. At some point someone's going to have you. Don't do it now. Please make some other kind of joke pleased. We honestly don't have room for the mugs. Okay I'm pulling up the Mug and we feel like this is worth violating your own role. You feel even more specifically about people something teaches people something educational game. I have the Mug out unwrapping the Mug. If you can hear this unwrapping unwrapping the Mug okay so well the I guess it's a double sided mug. The first thing thing that I'm seeing is there there are there's a man and a woman riding the subway they are standing beside another man who is sitting on on the subway day R in gray outlines nondescript features and the man sitting down is in red and that is like a stop right there. Stop Upright pretty clear signal because this this red painted man is man spreading very very very hard arts sort of like how I'm sitting right now actually so I look around and the back says do stop the spread please. It's a space issue. Okay all right. I mean this is great. I'll drink out of this yeah and everybody who comes to visit. We'll be like all right man spreading reading. It's actually an M._T._a.. Issue that they're talking about NASA thing. It's a thing all right and this car. This all was valued under thirty dollars. This was seventeen ninety five seventeen seventeen ninety five now. I believe that I trumped you on on cost but you trumped may trump's tend to do. I bet you you you bested U.. bested me and quantity. I have a solitary item that is not here yet. Okay should it should it's embarrassing for you. Get it to me as a little embarrassing but it is on its way and should be here tomorrow. What is an I cannot use it? You can feminine would it would have that would be very intense. It would've fit in the bag that you gave me ooh okay or not be feminine product. If it fitting that it was okay <unk> are it was it would have belonged in the orange wind bag. Oh did you get me a bottle of. I got you you a bottle of something trained. Wow A got you a bottle of wine. Emily got you about well. Don't be too excited because the wine which I will pull up a picture of now. If you want to just quickly yeah quickly look at my at my computer screen here. You could see what it says on the line. Is this trains wine. Save me San Francisco wine. Company drops of Jupiter is the name aimlessly read that is on its way. I figured it's from the general area in which big little lies takes place. I very nearly got you a piece of wall art from Oetzi. That was very cheap that would have just had all the lyrics to drop some now. I'm so glad that you gift is usually better than Suma balls or what we like. I will not be able to imbibe with you as I am still on my no drinking thinking I'm still on the Markale kick these days and I drink it out of the man spreading drink it out of the man Spreading Cup when this arrives we will do a little bit of a videoing of the temporary tattoos and produce. I don't know I don't know if this is produced by train or if it's inspired by so that train had their own wine though mainly this is maybe this buyer friends a case of white wine that trained head God friends all right right well. Those are the train gets we did well. I think we didn't really you so much for my guess well. I look forward to drinking well. Hopefully it tastes alright otherwise it's going taste like drops of Jupiter. What could be wrong about that? I was we'll tell me did the wind sweep you off your feet. Wow did you finally get a chance to dance in the light of day head back into the Milky Way. It's going to drink it and go no Nah we will. We'll we'll sample the wares on the INSTAGRAM's at some point one one time I saw train at like one of those. What is it like collaborative concerts for a radio station so it was kissing away if you're from Boston and we went and saw them me and my best friend when we were teenagers along with Bon Jovi and other people and we ran up to train really fast who was signing autographs autographs in like the outdoor area and there may be like ten people and we took a picture of them really fast and ran away? That's pretty cool yeah then her dad picked us up when we went home Tom I think I mean that's my train story. I don't have much else about big little lies train them. Little is is over. I don't have much else about about train either except that I thought that drops Jupiter was the coolest song of planet when it come out still catchy when's the last time he listened to. We don't need to do this the drugstore I don't think so all right so big little lies. That's it any final thoughts on big little lies before we sign off here. It's been an absolute pleasure to podcast with you about it yeah and to interact with everybody on twitter and talk about it every week. It's been a dream job. I must say it's been great. It's been super fun of of course if there's a third season we will talk about that. We're talking about succession next yeah. I gotTa Start Practicing in Canada. What is what's accession about? How would you still for somebody? Who's WHO's maybe lightly we heard of it but doesn't really know what it's about and his thinking about checking it out so that they can be in on the podcast? How would you describe succession media moguls family and and the fight for power over this gigantic company that seems to have its hands and a lot of different jars and and their hands are getting caught in the jars trying to steal cookies? I think it's I think it's interesting to see sort of the the scope of how a company and a family within that company can try to you know sort of control a lot of narratives a lot of the power you know have a lot of influence but also look at how they sort of interact with one another in both positive and very the negative ways and how money sort of plays into all of you know. It's it's not a perfect. It's it's not a perfect way of describing it but it's a little bit of a shorthand that will have to explain a tiny bit but I kind of think of succession as arrested development belt meet arrested development meets game of thrones in the sense that game of thrones is very much about power grabs and who's in charge and like the tension of family early and family loyalty that being tested and what happens if you if you strike away from family family strike you back there no swords this sorcery involved in in succession but there are like Lancaster types. This is very much like a Lancaster type of family. We filled with some really awful people. The people on succession are either like are for the most part pretty awful flawed people or cousin Greg who is who is also flawed but a total the light so it's Great Brian Cox is the is the patriarch of this family and he's just absolutely the excellent on this show some really great actors. James Cromwell has an occasional role on the show the Great Zab from Cochran for you star Trek fans of course James Cromwell has done for many other roles beyond that Babe Babe. That'll do that'll do big little lies. That'll do so. We're very excited to talk about. I'm really excited about it and we'll have it'll be a lot of fun much more detailed preview show coming up just to kind of set the stage for succession when we get into it. I wanted a shout out. A couple of other shows that are on H._B._O.. That we're not podcasting about and probably won't but just shows that are that emily and I love dearly. One is divorce which we just one show. We really really love divorce. Divorce is about to end the series finale sad that it's about and I think it's a great little nugget. I Dunno it's it makes it makes a lot of comedy out of a very serious topic vic which is to Die Divorce Sarah Jessica Parker and Thomas Haden Church Thomas Haden Church anytime he speaks on that show. I crack up yeah you really I mean he just blows me away. He's just so ridiculous so that show is ending. If you've not been watching divorce you can you could probably catch up relatively quickly short art episodes. Only three seasons third season at the end of the day is only going to be six episodes total so we liked that show not not the best show on the planet but but Wayne I'm only Shannon Shannon's very very funny. It doesn't need a shout out because I feel like it's taking over the world right now. Leonardo di Caprio oh getting out there and hyping it up you FAURIA you're not watching euphoria be very cautious in approaching it because it's intense lots of heavy drug use in heavy topics and exploring modern youth in America and sort of emily hates when I describe anything Shakespearean Shakespearian but somebody shakes even some shingle level conflict happening on euphoria with Zendaya just hate John. I hate when you say something Shakespearean and then it gets parroted back like three thousand times from all these other people that say something Shakespearean after you've said it well I mean it's fine. He's been around for a while so you can evoke Shakespeare. I hear years and years which is on H._B._O.. And may have just ended or is about to the N._F._l.. Here that that was excellent and also very difficult to watch. I just mentioned it because people have have alerted me to it it. I I understand a little bit of the premise in this basically forecasting our world few years from now and that sounds scary to me so I probably won't watch it any time soon but I can be convinced Otherwise Act Brooks I know has been championing that show <hes> so shout out to him. I just haven't had a chance to do. It and it's not high on the list but if you're if you're looking for more the point being that H._B._O.'s got a lot of really great content out right now the watchman coming up in the fall I think they've got his dark materials which looks to be if not a game of thrones successor then maybe like a a little bit of a game of thrones chaser Acer based on a series of fantasy novels and it's going to have Lin Manuel Miranda as he's referred to on curb your enthusiasm. It was a great episode in a great arc from him. He's going to be on it. James mcevoy is going to be on it. There's a there's a there's a bunch of people who are going to be involved in that that are that are pretty exciting so lots of fun stuff on H._B._O.. Right now succession will be the show that we are targeting for our next podcast a reminder to subscribe your podcast App of choice. We are out there. Subscribe to our main feed your ratings or reviews all greatly appreciated and got a lot of fun things happening here on pusher recap so you'll want to be tuned in feedback for that succession show we are also looking out for that which again we will try to record mid week next weeks ascend that along at round Howard at emily at post show recaps Emily Fox anything else no. I

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Saturday, April 17th, 2021

Cancer Today

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Saturday, April 17th, 2021

"Good morning cancer. Today is saturday april. Seventeen twenty twenty one. The moon meanders from gemini. Your sign calling us to slow down and take a softer approach. Now is the time for compassion. Hold space for the feelings that remain when the dust settles. This is cancer today. A spotify original from podcast. This episode is brought to you by mortal kombat or you. Ready to fight on april twenty third. Don't miss the action of of the year. When mortal combat the world wide phenomenon comes to live mortal combat is in theaters on. Hbo max april twenty. Third grade are under seventeen not admitted without barron present. Let's begin your day. Can syrian legend meryl streep said. The great gift of human beings is that we have the power of empathy. Open up to your greatest power as you reflect on the way the past is shaped you. When the moon enters your sign a return to your cosmic consciousness may inspire a change of heart. Now take a moment to reflect on your relationships. Venus in your house of companionship. Ground romantic energy in the physical realm kindred. Spirits will join us today. Let yourself beloved. Contemplate your path to personal growth mercury in aries commands important conversations regarding your sacred were underscored by expansive jupiter. You may feel called the pursue a path. You've never considered taking let your truth. Illuminate the way cancer. Today is a daily podcast. Follow on spotify to make it part of your morning routine if you're interested in learning more about your sign. Download the sanctuary app from the apple app in google. play stores. Get your astrology. Tarot or psychic readings today and follow sanctuary world on instagram. that's s. anc t. u. a. r. y. w. r. l. the horoscope today as spotify original from podcast.

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The Fantasmagorium Show

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Eps. #6 New Shang-Chi Trailer Coming Tonight

"And we are live evans. Sorry i just realized it was an anniversary of space balls. And i had to look up how long ago it was. Welcome to the phantasmagoria. Everyone we cover movie news and we talk about things that we want to talk about and we hope you wanna listen to us. Talk about them. My name is scott thirty seven and the gentleman brings us all together. I am steeple. how're you doing today. Scott i'm really excited for some reason i don't know why. Oh it's our it's our anniversary that's right. We've been alive for five business days. That's a yeah. It's been one week and they didn't kick us off the air. So i mean that's good. You know a along with waking up in and breathing every day you know. That's that's pretty much in those wings in my book. No i enjoy it. I enjoyed talking about things like nbc universal coming to the fire. Tv's we'll talk about that for sure and the news. I mean yeah. we'll look for. I know roku people and people that get their their entertainment on other platforms other than amazon. Fire tv While to appreciate it as much but but for for fire stick in fire q. users fire tv users. Like hey man you know get and get the damn app on. Come you can do bring bring me. Unlimited will is friends on peacock. I know where that's ended up now but There's a whole lot of content on peacock if it's content. I wonder if they have all of cheers. I wonder if that's where you can stream night court. Oh probably before we get started though. There's just a couple of things We wanna go through a top end in will jump into the news first of all. Obviously we we'd love Tips we were trying to save up for this intro music So if you feel so inclined wanna leave us a tip in a comment. Pleased him so at. Www dot stream elements dot com slash phantasmagoria. M- show slash tip. And we appreciate your patronage there also. We do have the website. 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And since i'm talking about commenting liking and sharing might as well put that banner across the bottom and get this show on the road yay particular when we have it any for everybody who is already subscribed. Thank you very much for continuing this journey with us. Absolutely so as scott mentioned the very first topic of the day is nbc. Universal amazon amazon breached deal to bring peacock to fire tv devices. Now this this has been a months and months in the making. I don't know why it took so long for them to reach a deal of for this. But it's you know look peacock whether you love the name or like i do. I think it's a silly name for for streaming platform but it fits with the nbc logo. I'm fine if it's gonna get it but come on peacock they could come up with better. In fact i would even as as milk toast as universal. Plus would have been fine. Would have been better for me than than peacocks. But what i'm not gonna. I set my hair on. Fire it i just. It's picked a better name. Yeah if you have a choice between peacock universal plus. I would go with universal plus yelling. So that's good news not much more to tell than Than that says the beginning. This thursday peacock at fifteen other. Nbc universal network apps including nbc. Nbc news nbc. Sports and bravo will be available on amazon fire devices. Good news for fire. users amazon users. And which i am. One of an ugly view are to be used for us. It just opens up the you know. I think there was a way to side. Load this the peacock app on a on on your android fire devices but this is just a better way brings it more to the mast everyday user and and opens up a lot of content. You know not everything on nbc. I really care for but they do have some pretty prime shows that that are nice to have fair back. Catalogue is worth it alone. You're right back. I mean everything every. Nbc show from the nineties worth watching show varying. Go and see you brought up friends so and there's a ton of others. I think quantum leap would probably be on their most likely. So i know it's not. It's not a bad deal and it's nice that there's more access to it. Yeah absolutely Okay let's jump into the second one the second one is. Is this assuming this be good news or not. Good news or just like okay. Who cares about scarlett johansson and disney team for tower of terror. Boot is this a reboot. Considering that there wasn't eddie murphy tower or no that was haunted mansion to story. Sorry my mistake. My mistake we make we make a lot of those here is kind of get used to it. To- story for director josh cooley. Pending the script based on the famous ride scarlett. Johansson is staying on staying on the disney ride. They say this comes from. Hollywood reporter The actor who has disney marvel's black due out in two weeks as attached to produce tower of terror. The hollywood reporter has confirmed story for director. Coolest pending the script. Plot details are being kept under wraps. Obviously they're not gonna tell us much yet. There's going to be a tower of terror. Twilight zone tower twitter I can't pirates opened in nineteen ninety four at disney's hollywood studios in florida. The other tower. Terrorize of ning at disney. California adventure in anaheim francis. Walt disney studios park at tokyo's disney see is not for ending with a terrifying drop. Which is really fun. If you've never been on the ride i have not. I have not. It's a really cool. It's a really cool ride But it'll be interesting to see that team up like i said kind of milk toast. Whatever but it's nice to know that that Scarlet is doing more than just Just acting producing. I think she has produced a couple of movies. I like when she throws her her star power on behind show sometimes gets bit Nope would do to know the were own by by taking on some of these projects. But i'm glad this year out there doing it. And i think more actor sheet should do do that if they can now. I know it's a disney movie based on a ride from disneyworld yes The only way. I'll be interested in seeing this movie. If it's a harder i want to see tower of terror starring scarlett johansson is the first hard are horror movie coming in the disney studio. I it's not. That's a hard. Pass her for you then. Because i don't think they're going to do in our really which i think would be really interesting. That would blow. Everyone's mind not going to happen but it would be nearly sorry anyway. I'll see the commercials. I'm sure i'll have to sit through the trailer once or twice it's like it reminds me of of That jack black movie where there are the house with the clocks in the walls and you halfway through the title. Like no i mean. I guess that's goosebumps. Type crowd of younger waie kind of audience. But i suppose. I thought they had graduated to their twilights in their hunger games. I didn't know they still have goosebumps things happening unless they were a little bit more edgy. If they were a little bit more along the same vein of final destination. If you made a goosebumps that was like final destination. I'm in well. maybe they will. Maybe they'll take your advice scott but certainly won't pay me right. We'll call it disney. Hey man listen to the fantasma game show. They have good ideas over there. No i'm just saying reshoots. The started his tower of terror started. Now there's just a they just announced a partnership and it looks like the guy It toy story. Four guys just gonna is just starting to write them then. I'm lobbying i'm just gonna start lobbying now. Mr hashtag are rated tower of terror. You should see how see what happens. Probably won't get as far as a new little dust up on this show. We try not to. We try to stay away from gossiping internet nonsense. This is a new show about stuff that we like In the entertainment business pop culture and we try not to focus on hateful staffer gossip but every once in a while. There is a story that that comes across the wire meet we say. Hey maybe we should talk about this. And this is one of those times. Sharon stone warns against idolizing. Meryl streep there are other actresses equally as talented now. That's a lot of people's is throwing shade at meryl streep. I take it a different way. I i think she's absolutely right. I think there are other actresses. They're equally as talented as meryl streep their view that come to mind cate. Blanchett is one The body you can. We can debate body work and stuff like that but as far as quality of acting i do think meryl streep as good as she is is over hyped by some especially in entertainment media. Just my opinion i tend. I tend to agree with you. The g. is an overrated actress. But it doesn't take away from the fact that she is a brilliant businesswoman to take the roles that she does take like she. She does have control over her career in that regard. She gets to do whatever she wants to do. But also. I do think you have to look at her contemporaries and sort of similarly like with the same length of career. How do i not say old so i. It's i think that cate blanchett has years to continue to some enter career as compared to meryl streep not as young as cate blanchett Yeah sharon stone isn't wrong. Meryl streep is not the queen of hollywood ruin. Knows that was carrie fisher and she's no longer with us. Right does longevity equal. Tammy i would say yes. I would say audiences continuing to seek out. Your work means that you are talented enough to hold the audience's attention. I get that. But i think the very same thing can be said about very talented actresses that are or actors working today that have maybe a five year career at every single one of their timothy. Chaumet is a home run. As far as the quality of their their chops. they're acting skill So it's an interesting debate because obviously just like you did. Most people say well. She's had the longest career a longer career than most. Must were contemporaries She's her body of work is is larger Like you said she. she's held. She's commanded the screen and commanded puts butts in seats longer than most. But i think. I think shared so does have a point She actually brings up a couple of people Contemporaries like a violates davis emma thompson. Olivia colman. i mean these actresses have long pedigrees very very good very good movies minutes dabbling soup that they always bring it every time there on screen So do you think she has a bit of a point. I i don't know what sparked this kind of odd. Sure she was asked about it. Maybe but I thought it interesting. Sharon to come out and actually say something like that like get to tell you the truth. I've felt that way when people go on start gushing over meryl streep like. Yeah i do. I won't take anything away from her skill and her her business acumen and her you know her career as a whole i think she's amazing but i do not think she is. I don't. I don't think i like i think she's overrated. I think some of the praise goes a little over the top. And it's you know best actress of all time kind of talk. I don't know i. I don't know if i agree with that yet. Also just in context to the interview. It seems that she was being interviewed. And someone was asking what it was like for i. I'm scanning as you're talking and it seems that it was a it was a question that was asked it was phrased in such a way that sharon stone. What was it like to meet. Meryl streep and Sharon stone said. It's a very interesting way that you asked me that question. Because why didn't you say what was it like when meryl streep met you like and so there is an elevation and also talking about. Why would you talk to sharon stone. About meryl streep i would talk to sharon stone about sharon stone right that. That's what i figured. Usually they don't proffer these kinds of things. They're they're asked these questions in like that in a very in a very peculiar way. Yeah and then they have to busy. You have to answer You don't have to answer. But usually the the polite thing to do is answer and she did and obviously it that the that's the headline of the day. But i guess. I i don't think she was throwing shade at maryland. Thinks she was an skimmed the article. We're literally just reading the headlines. Saying ou maryland. Jared there and again. It wasn't like i might shame i think. Look there's a bunch of actresses that are equally as talented. And i remember that statement. I think that statement is absolutely true. And you completely out at us. Both as people who think that meryl streep is overrated. Thank you to go back and for us today. Probably for all time. We have amazon fire devices. And we both don't like meryl streep as much as you. That's about as controversial as this is gonna get today. I know it is kind of light. It is kinda like newsday but look we have some stuff to proffer for. So we'll do that Next on the list suicide squad to screen early app fantasia fest. So if you're in the montreal area. I am and you can get to fantasia as you can see the suicide squad. Early august fourth august. Forget the movie We'll be screening. At the event on august fourth the day before the international film festival officially kicks off with the world premiere of brain freeze news. Aldi thriller okay. That's neither here nor there. No but i do wanna hear. I wanna next time. We do a trailer. I know this is just really commission. I wanna find out what brain freeze. If i if i have to go to montreal disease suicide squad. Multiple increase might as well brain freeze. Yes so i mean that's cool so if you win montreal areas planning to go to fantasia fest you're in for a treat When is The international release date for suicides going to look senior. I'll i'll take something anyway. So that's that's interesting for For bekker's you can go and see suicide squad hang out fantasia fantasia goosey brain freeze. Tell us out is. We'll be taking well if you put it in. The comment of what will eventually be a standalone brain freeze reaction trailer or trailer reaction. Pardon me when is it. Oh my it says. The third of august in belgium first of august ono. The oh sorry. It's i didn't put the. I'm so sorry everyone you have to do this. I apologize Six two days so today. Today's like if you're if you're in the movie two days two days early but if you go to fantasia you checkout brain freeze. I wanna find out about brain freeze down well talking about trailers. I don't have brain freeze today. That i have. I do have a trailer for us to watch react to a from net flicks out. I usually not. I'm not always gonna play trailers from that flicks If he's looked halfway decent. I will this cast when i heard about the cast. Got kind of excited With jonathan majors idris elba. Zazie beetz and a regina king now for me. You put regina king in anything. I'm their guy. I'm setting Death one album right yet. Jonathan makers from The app john. Major's jonathan jonathan majors. Forber prime minister from all right on the hbo series lovecraft country. Okay i think so. I if i might be wrong on that correct me in the chatroom so anyways. The movie's called the harder they fall. It's it's a western With the mostly black casts or at least at least a black cast that some that that seem to be either the protagonist the antagonise or some kind of anti heroes will will will see. I haven't seen the trailer. So let's let's take a look up. You don't pay no where to board of trinidad might just sit nincompoop. We know neekam little flip for you. Fussing table called. let's start what we have come into the room. You do know how to make a grand entrance down those who trespass against him. No mercy wouldn't blame lance. So what do you think about that. I thought it looked great. So i do stand corrected. Jonathan majors was not in He was in the last black man in san francisco that got lot of good reviews anyways. Great cast looks like a modern western. Obviously modern style but it looks like a lot of fun. I'm fine with that. That looks like a good time. Yeah i'm definitely gonna watch that. And like i said you put regina king idris elba delroy. Lindo back the lead. You didn't tell me i was. I thought i saw delroy lindo. That's why i sort of hootenanny. Yup me too like i did. I left him out on purpose. Because i you know jazzy. Beaches in their game. Damon wayans He has just chock full of good. Akers so yeah. We're really looking forward to the harder they fall. And i just saw the trailer for it. And i'm yeah. Yeah no. I always hold off to to watch the trailers fresh near me. I tried i try my best. Sometimes i gotta watch a little bit of it to to make sure it's not too far off the beaten path worse but well no i. I checked it. I checked it. But and i was like. Is that a western. I didn't know i. I sorta got western vibes. But i'm not sure. Because if i had seen like the thumbnail or something from settlers i would have thought that was a western so at least with all the the orange yet. Anyway it's been a little settlers reaction video. You should totally check that. If you haven't it's probably somewhere in this channel on the channel absolutely we clip that we try to clip out all of the All of the trailer reactions for you guys kick if you want a little short takes We'll keep doing that. Today's clip out will be the The knight from yesterday and we do have There's another Trailer that i wanna do reaction with you scott. But we're not on the show. We're going to have to do it separately because it's not safe for work there's new stuff in it but But yeah it'll be interesting to do at a trailer reaction to that so lookout on on our channel for that for the upcoming the movie's called titanium and it looks very interesting is from the filmmaker who get raw. Okay like the sand. Up eddie murphy. No the the. I'll eat cannibalize your skin. Oh nice okay. All right well. Yeah no i. i'll keep it out of my vision until i lay eyes upon it with user awesome. Okay next stop. This is for gamers in the audience. We don't usually cover too much games. I'm not much of a gamer nurse. You see you game a little bit yet. I love aliens games. So this really works for me. But when they're tied to movie franchises either directly. Ten danja legal. We'll try to bring those kind of news stories to this one just real quick aliens fire. Tv leaked release date revealed with new trailer. I should. I should have got the trailer. We could have played the trailer. But anyways it's okay. Developer cold iron studios and twentieth century games announced that aliens fire tv lead which was previously just aliens. Fire cay will officially release for the playstation five playstation four xbox xbox series x and series s xbox xbox one and pc steam on august twenty fourth. So it's basically coming to just about everything. As far as i can tell. You're gaming gaming consoles npc so that'll be on august. Twenty looks looks very interesting. to see the trailer go to college Dot com and look for aliens. Fire release date. They have the trailer hosted there. You can check that out. It's also a new to just put that in the in the title searching. You should be able to find that. So i thought that Interesting one. I'm a huge fan of all of the The aliens games and i even played through Colonial marines which was a disaster of a game. But i everything that is an alien game. I love that franchise and when it comes to gaming. I'm excited for it. So i'm glad to see that it's coming to xbox one because i'm still last gen actually. I don't even know if i'm supposed to feel bad about that because you can't buy an xbox or playstation anyway so they just aren't available So yeah. I'm i'm looking forward to that so that i can waste a couple more hours awesome. Oh and also but never preorder. Don't preorder wait until you find out if it's good or else you may have another colonial marine snow. You don't want that. And you don't want that next item up for bid robert downey junior greg berlanti team up for hbo max. Drama for your own good The prolific producers via their respective warnermedia companies are developing the upcoming novel by samantha downing. So the what they're adapting is actually going to be a series from a novel. That's not written yet but his upcoming set the publish in july for your own good takes place. Within the halls of new england's prestigious belmont academy settlement ivy league admissions rolling in stiff competition for this year's coveted teacher of the year award and planning for the montreal of over. I'm sorry for the memorial statue for the recent deceased at master. The book and potential series also explorer. The run the run a poisonings and dead bodies that have started to pile up at the university very interesting so it looks like it might be a little bit of a college drama thriller with a little bit of murder mystery. Well the last thing that Robert downey junior produced was the only. It was that Remake of the raymond burr. Show perry mason. I'll love washing. Yeah and so that i. I enjoyed that just because it was newer. And i love that era. And i think it's really cool a little bit more. Levity would have been nice and so but i. it wasn't a poorly produced show Gal like it And so it's the thing that strikes me that's interesting about that is that it is the book and potential series. And i'm questioning i'm like why would you invest so much into it without it being a proven ip. But then. i also remember that. I complain all the time about no original. Ip's so if there's if if they're going to start something great. I hope they start something. Great yeah the search is underway for a writer the hollywood reporter reports to develop the novel Basically they're going to adapt that author downing who pringles previously pinned. Mike lovely wife and he startled. It will serve as a consulting producer on the drama so she has a couple of novels. That are obviously piqued. The interest of Hbo max are the people that hbo said you know. We're we're going to go sight unseen for this new novel. Which i which tells me that the other two probably option already by some some other studios so they said they got a hold of her before the new one comes out to lock that. We're good good for them We'll be looking forward to that. I greg berlanti stuff that he's doing Off of the cw. But for warner brothers and Hbo and warnermedia have Has been really solid in my opinion I i like the stuff they're doing on. Hbo max ribbon dc stuff of especially do patrol. I think david charles amazing show top story in the comic book john for me along with the umbrella academy in the voice so i really like really like to do inara like the team. So all that berlanti stuff on. Hbo max's get it's it's it's better than than what what they offered in the rivers before which was good for its time like a couple of seasons of arrow electricity flash. I'm really really liking. The superman and lois share me too. I'm really enjoying some hoping stays far away from the errors completely separate. That was yeah. that goes So yeah good news. We'll be looking forward to that Let's see what's next out tonight. If you're a basketball fan the The new trailer for shanxi and the ten rings is dropping to night in front. Of what let me get this right. Trae sports ball basket game. Yeah the sports ball basket game during the nba countdown on espn so watch espn and nba countdown. And you will see shanxi. And the legend of the ten rings. Trill i'm sure they'll probably drop shortly thereafter online Look at florida their on youtube as well but were excited for that. This this is the is the one marble show that's coming that hasn't gotten as excited as the rest And i think it's because the trailers to be quite honest have kind of showing you. What would seems to me as the entire movie. I hope i'm wrong. I hope to be surprised when i sit down and watch the movie but yeah i'm i'm interested based on and i was just going to say. Do you think they're gonna show the mandarin in the trailer. That's that's why. I'm interested just to see what is going to happen with saying. Gee all the legend of the ten rings. I would like to know about the ten rings and hopefully that leads to a mandarin and that's been a question that's sort of been hanging in the mcu for a while As marvel goes. I like how it's interconnected sometimes. I feel like that's being used against me. Maybe that's the case in shanxi. Because whenever i saw the comics as a kid. I always was like that. That looks like kung-fu comic. And i wasn't into kung-fu comics. I'm into concrete movies wrong. And so i'm looking forward to that and honestly i it'll be fun to be able to. We'll talk to future selves and say which one was better snake eyes trailer or shanxi trailer. Yeah interesting because i did in the theater. I did like the snake guys trailer. Not so much watching the second time at might be experienced thing right. Because i was actually in the theater for the first time. Ev everything looked great. Yeah but that's also that. I like to look at all these movies. I i want to like them first. And then be told why. I'm stupid and wrong. After the fact. And then if i can defend that it's great if i can't it's like you're just like jhangvi leakey's so slow shiny objects. Just get the flashlights. The screen for give me some popcorn. I need the butter. So yeah i i. There's no there's no shame in it man at all this trailer. It's okay. i saw that you know. I think we're the same in that way. I go into all of this stuff wanting to like it. And then you know. It's up to the property to either you know. Live up to that expert to expectation or not. So i i want all this stuff to be good and nobody ever sets out to make a bad movie or tv show or project when you see it as a as an artist you set out to make something. It's you put your heart and soul and everything you have into just watching. Nobody wakes up and says you know what. Let's make the worst piece of garbage ever. Well unless you're the producers from the producers. well then that's right but exactly so but yeah. I'm i'm confident that everyone's trying their best even whether or not succeeding and so i wanna like it. Even when it's not good. But i find the heart in it and so if you if you've never if you never made a film or try to make any kind of you know. Tv show art short film seizure. Incredibly hard to do especially in a on these on this scale on a big scale when these big studios are making these things. You know mill Multimillions of dollars. It's hundreds of people in you know it's not it's not like anybody's sets out to make crap just you know it happens. It's hard to it's hard to make good stuff And that's why we try this much when they did and it's so easy and fun to crap all over the bad stuff. Yes simple eight. Yeah so. I'm i'm looking for the silver lining until it slaps me in the face me to found out i found out it's the thirty or the thirty four and twenty forced twenty four th anniversary. No i did find out space balls. It's the twenty fourth anniversary thirty four thirty four thirty four thirty four years of space staples. So that's crazy yeah. I saw that at the time every time you bring up these universities on the show makes you just feel so old. Yeah i know but it's it reminds me of when i was so young. Remember even worse than those are the. Oh this turns ten years old today. I'm like ten years old like that. Like oh my god. Ten or twenty year anniversary some of the thirty year and forty year. Anniversaries okay star wars. Whatever but baseball's byron but some of the stuff is like ten years old. I'm like ten years. That's been ten years. That's crawley and i guess it's just because there aren't a whole lot of wide release is going on in theaters right now. There are a lot of posts about movies that came out on this date in our inner youths. And it's interesting to revisit in. See those anniversaries and also you know where were you. When you saw batman forever kind of thing so okay well so that ends the main topics of the day. I did pull a couple of extra. Just kinda quick bites. We'll just go through the just the headlines real quick. We don't really have to spend too much on but Liaison is a is a show. That apple sets of vincent cassel and eva green series as i anglo french original. So that's coming to apple tv plus So that liaison which got green lit. A english and french language thriller series co-produced by french outfit new orleans ridge ride studios and It doesn't get okay so it doesn't say win. It might premier a twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three. But that's kind of interesting Anglo-french show filmmaking absolutely for for apple. Plus apple seems to be stepping up. Its game you know trying to compete with the big boys in in the screaming realm well and they have been i i. I just trailer for the shrink. Next door with Will farrell and paul rudd and it looks like a sort of almost stranger than fiction. Everything must go sort of performance from will ferrell. It's not a it's not a flat out comedy But it looks interesting and fun and it's an exclusive to apple plus Yeah the only downside about them is that they don't tend to release anything to physical physical media now which is disappointing. Because my dad really wants a copy of greyhound. That tom hanks boat movie anyway they should should i. I think netflix does they. But they cherry pick. Obviously they're not going to release everything they other original stuff. But i think all these streamers cherry pick and released for cavers or whatever they wanna do you know blue race special editions got to sell them subscriptions. Yea they do. This comes from anywhere eight adventure film. The killer in paris this fall with make oscar winning dp so i haven't seen bank but it's on the list because it's got gary oldman and directed by david fincher. Who's the dp on manque Mission eric messerschmitt and Dp i throw these terms around like everyone knows. The director of photography director or dr pepper may make awesome. I'm a. I like to know our stuff too and i thought that was brilliantly filmed It it looked amazing so that'd be very interesting to see that killer which he did did they have. I don't think they have a cast yet for cast. They they talk about cast mac. Yeah well either way if you if you put together a director in a director photographer you making adventure fan anyway. So anything that he makes. I will watch. I'm not gonna promise. I'll like it. Oh no but still. It's never it's never boring situation I was just gonna. I was gonna talk about The friday Phantasmagoria m- free for all local. That is happening tomorrow. We are going to be if all if all of the the stars align will be joined by black phillip alvarez To discuss all of the things that we hopefully will have things will happen tomorrow right. They will happen. You promise i promise okay. I'm looking for news stories of news stories. Things will happen overnight. And and i have brain freeze. We need the trailer for brain. I'll find it. I guarantee i can find it It's got to be out there so it's gonna be. We'll play that. Yeah so are it'll be our first guest on the show will be hours of and we might we might even after we're done talking about our main topics we might even open it up to a couple other of our friends to join us on friday free for all. I'm looking at utah. michael jai. Maybe much excuse me so to little quick Stories before we go. Scotty what this was interesting. The hollywood reporter saying the problem with nielsen streaming data the rating service has shed some light on formerly opaque svod world but delays in reporting highlight the limitations of its product. So i'm thinking about things. Like jupiter ascending and some of these other things that are getting maybe not canceled. But but Shelved and like in that case. They're not doing a season two but they aren't getting a different property for mark lar- But you know if they're using this data at its in its delayed in actually getting the real statistics ryan. That's a huge issue. And i have i. I've always had kind of a a problem with dwilson. Used to be back in the day. They said you'll box. You put it on your tv ending record what you what your family watched it for a given time period three months or whatever it was. I don't know how they're doing that or are there collecting their data Because net flicks does not share that data. They're they're reluctant to even talk about it in the press unless something they want to talk about right so i it it just it's i i just don't understand the collection methods that nielsen's using and obviously it looks like a. There's a there's a lag by about so so the the hollywood reporter says the lag time is about a month so jupiter ascending. They made that decision without those that data because they made it a couple of weeks after it debuted. Maybe two weeks within within that month. So if you're we're we're waiting a thirty days to get staffs on on these things from nielsen. I that's too long in my opinion especially in this day and age but our netflix. Do you think that they have their own in house selection. They absolutely do and so they don't necessarily have to wait for i. You know until you mentioned it. I completely forgot that nielsen ratings. Even existed anymore. I thought it was all just views and downloads and they did everything through that When it comes to there are still nielsen families. I remember having a nielsen family. As a friend of mine when i was kid. And it's like they still do that. I'm shocked i if you want yeah. Great i'm i'm just this just in the nielsen. Ratings systems still exist. They do but they're not. They're not good. No apparently they're not they're not gonna. You're talking about a lag time about that a about a month Unless i'm reading that wrong. It looks like that's what they're saying. I don't know Internal data you know in a perfect world. They should just date should be transparent about it. Let those let the let. We see the stats. I mean you know. I don't know i guess i guess there's internal reasons why they don't do that but they should. Well it's also maybe it's a privy investors only or something like that. I know okay the last one last one or the day before we take some some comments and questions Snap strikes licensing deal with universal music group to bring entire catalogue snapchat so this is kind of big news. So now you're talking about the universal music group so now if you do if you do these short All the rage the tick talking short kind of you sound so old. You know the kids are doing the tiktok. And they're doing this snapchat and thing. The snap chatters and pointing it out laughing about it because you were doing you. Were doing it right now. I'm so sorry sir. So anyway the short short thirty or sixty second videos are obviously taking the world by storm. But i think a lot of creators are getting a very i think in early actually getting a removed from these platforms because of the copyright strikes. They're getting from freezing music. Apparently snap said okay if it instead of instead of fighting with these companies about these copyright claims. Let's just by a damn catalog so snapchat. Others can use it whenever they want. Yeah makes sense so it doesn't make sense it. That's a pretty big Pretty big Announcement snapchat users will now be able to access music for. Major artists gives me and use them via the sounds tool and a are lenses. And oh on a are lenses. Allow okay i'm not a snapper. No phrasing love there. I think it's very interesting and it's good to be able to free up that music so people aren't being harassed for no reason. I i wonder if now other platforms are going to do the same kind of thing. Go after other group Big companies catalog of music to just t- either license or or by outright like oh we're getting point where there's going there's going to be one mono company it's going to be called waylon utah knee and we're all going to serve it happily. That's what's happening. What's going to go evil core. Well they they have better branding than that. It'll be good corporate. Come on you didn't get did you watch Mister robot. I did not watch mister robot again. Now i'm sorry. Yeah well you should be. I saw. I saw a bohemian rhapsody. So i'm aware of around malik. I wonderful in both of that show and movies. So i want to see no time to die. He can be the villain in the new james bond. Movie there with buddy actually. Not you know me. you don't care. I know now the new. I should probably get into like i said you know. I like daniel craig. I don't know why tapped out of those movies. But i should probably pick them up and get caught up so in twenty thirty when no time to die comes out exactly. I can wash it and and i can talk about it. It's more it's looking more like a twenty thirty two releasing okay so that that doesn't for the news I would like to now switch gears and take some. Some jesse did have some some chest coming in. Thank god for todd. Michael But we did. Here's the first one. I can't read a studio oh. Ucla ye lay studio. Hi from taiwan or hi. We love having the international viewers. Thanks for setting in the chat. We have that next one. Todd michael dp is is important in context. Yes it is very much right. There taught my phone. I was in nielsen reviewer in the in the nineties and that's a that's what i thought nielsen ratings existed. I thought that they had disbanded. Once the internet was invented. I never understood. Mica follows up however it was seasonal. And i had to record in the paper book. This was the early nineties. Wow so you actually ended to take notes. that's well. Let's not forget that the early nineties also had the tv guide of the tv ad said why but also. It's interesting that it would tell you what to watch on tv and then give you a crossword to do you. Were watching tv. Crosswords he to nice to do with my mom which you know. Unfortunately we can't do anymore but that was fun she she. She knew all of this. She knew all of the crossword stuff that that were like regular crosswords from like the paper. And i knew all tv shows so we're able to finish together Todd michael laugh out loud. I know at my expense. Thank you thank you. I'm here for the talking. You know thomas addicted to tick. Tock i know he loves the tiktok our buddy. Tom loves the tiktok on somebody. Sure todd michaels back out saying Facebook has been really bad with copyright strikes for me meaning him a lot of my car. I post car. Blocked and to a lesser extent on youtube often have music in the backroom background. Work and yeah. I've heard that. I've heard that from youtubers when they're traveling if they're in a In in an airport and they're just recording something quick if there is a copyrighted song in the background of wherever they happen to be. It's like no mazes. That company is big as google hasn't figured out kind of like what snap did away to to license at music and make it free for further contact creators. You know what. I mean it is. It's not like the you know it's not like you're actually trying to monetize Somebody else's material background stuff. I don't know but if even if the primary message doesn't relate with what the original artist wants to present there's an argument. Also you you you forget about forget about the industry that is copyright claiming people at the background music. But that's but that's what i'm saying. I think i think there's a way to either like snap did by the catalog or to make it to do some kind of licensing agreement. That says google's going gonna pay x. Amount for you know For creators to use your product I don't know it just seems like a company that big could have come up with a solution to that particular. Well at least something. That is so strict like again. We're i enjoy doing the trailer reviews and reactions. So who knows you knows and i think this is the last one of the day michael sanjin. I've had several hits become of those super so probably well well-performing videos that gut. Okay yes from people who were saying. Is that sweet home alabama. I'm sorry is that detroit rock city. Get the get getting loy. Get legal on the team. Yeah it's it's an issue and you know snap obviously that at least for for their customers. I mean and that is not small. The universal catalogue is huge So if the interesting for them leave it kind of weight off of their creator shoulders. I can worry about that anymore. It'd be great if youtube and and you know maybe even tiktok i would. I would assume talks going to do something very similar various. That's just my guess. I fear algorithms. I'm i know that i've i've dipped my toe into an algorithm now but it's Yeah i don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I don't know what's going on with the With the people who are trying to distribute the stuff that creators are putting out there And why you would stop them because they are keeping is on your platforms. So i don't get it. What speaking of getting is on content. Please comment share. Likes described telling your friends family on the gig. We hardly ever swear. Hardly sometimes we do. I know and it's usually. It's usually me. I'm a marine. And i cuss like a sailor when i'm off line. No you can't be around. We try to keep it clean as clean as we can hear more family. Friendly show but Tell you when something is shit totally. yeah There excuse me. Come into tomorrow. Or friday. Free for all for phantasmagoria. And we're going to have black phillip alvarez and hopefully we'll a few a few guests talk show and there's the rest of the couch we may feel the rest of the coach. I'm going to die because i'm choking. Don't we need you tomorrow buddy until next time. Have a great day. 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Undercover Birthday/Trapped in a Basketball (feat. Rachel Dratch and Will Swenson)

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41:46 min | 8 months ago

Undercover Birthday/Trapped in a Basketball (feat. Rachel Dratch and Will Swenson)

"Hey story pirates listeners lee here. Today's episode is one for the ages. We've got mermaids basketball's spies in two very special guests. The hilarious rachel drudge and broadway zone will swenson all of that and more coming up after these quick words void. Grownups grownups this episode of story. Pirates is brought to you by honey nut. Cheerios made with whole grain oats and touch real golden honey honey nut. Cheerios can help you in your family. Start each day with positivity honey nut cheerios. good starts with happy hearts Morning friends beautiful day. Yes our recording birds. Chirping the artificial sunlamp we use to give ourselves a sense of natural circadian rhythm. Hairspray is wafting. The hair sprays wafting. Can't you smell it. There's nothing like the smell of hairspray in the morning brings me back to my third production at the sound of music in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. It was my six production of the sound of music overall but my third of nine hundred and ninety two our sonar is picking up an unusually high amount of him spray and the oh santa atmosphere also picking up gossipy chadha an excitement and a general feeling of unease hers excitement. Hairspray only explanation for such a disturbance in the atmosphere is a competition not just any competition a competition. In which high hair that stays in place is upping utmost. Importance would wear and who and why in how repeating a transmission from an year by radio. They say the ocean is over eighty percent unexplored but there really is going on down here. Let's see if we can hear us being transmitted welcome back to the sixty fifth annual survey competitions sponsored as always buy shrimp shrimp. You know what they are. I'm veronica curl and in less than an hour all of our competitors. We'll have the opportunity to show the beautiful elegant colorful tales for a chance to win ultimate grand prize walking tour of downtown san diego and now a word from our sponsors shrimp shreds. But they don't get stake in this competition. Her sonar is senior to someone crying at the competition. Am i correct in saying that our sonar does a lot of stuff sonar doesn't usually do. Let's hear what she's crying. Come iraq must be one of the competitors. She sounds so we knew her name and where she was. We can help then becoming hiding behind. Shell crying next town competition in the left. Hand corner mac. It's not a lot to go off of. If only we knew her. Well i'm going to say something about this narrow that i once said to the great meryl streep honey. I think you're gonna need my help league dory line of deutsche bank though. I could think of all that. Ep gas fired. Gary pirates Everybody welcome back to the story. Pirates podcast where we take stories written by. Turn them into sketch comedy songs and we do it. All from a submarine that just happened to stumble upon a bunch of mermaids. We were having their annual tail competition. What the chances you know. I miss the thrill of competition in two thousand and six. I wasn't a thespian competition. Where i don the audience with an experimental take on a monologue from chorus line. People are still talking about it to this day in therapy okay. Why don't we do a story. Great idea okay listeners. This first story is all about super-secret older classified sneaky undercover spy stuff and it features broadway zone. We'll swinson here to introduce is the author i and my into i nine. I'm from ohio. This is my story. He undercover thing. Back deal make the sa- gopher secret agent sack in his native walkie-talkie your mission should you to accept it is to have an undercover birthday. Accept this mission. You might say mardi gras understand. No one can know happy birthday. It's mass how i get to plan my own special going to sky. Everybody is gone. But now we've got this tablet. On the best. Dan dona phil punch not gonna know clowns magicians. Your plan is a mistake on book store near time race. Be so also policy. Draw a cow now. Stand now to wait for the guests to around waiting. Go and read a great secret. Agent kings doorbell roy soonest. The no one came to the party. No one even showed my. Is caesar see. Great white is more fair like deal. Slide exhaled of her. I ask permission and hope you'll listen. I want my part saying you don't want your party could be undercover anymore. Yes because nobody showed up. You want people to show up yes to compromise the original mission. Well that i your call berlin okay. I'm really sorry to put the kabosh on this outpouring of love here. But if i remember correctly we have our mermaid to help get ready for the big tail competition. Show we get on our anti mush suits and look over there. Wow we found a whole underwater. Mummy goosen are gonna get backstage and find narrow. I think this week felony shall crying brown costume scabby tale. That must be worry. Not we are here to help you win the competition a sake you what we're the story pirates and we're gonna make you go right here still floating here right in front of you see. This is why. I'll never win the competition. I'm so boring because we're here to how narrow this you swim off somewhere else. Still right here right exact same okay. Well enough of this painting party meryl. The competition is in an hour. And we are going to make you sparkle. You don't get it every year. This competition comes out in every year. I try to win. Why because my greatest dream in the whole world is to go on a walking tour of san diego. I love san diego. As a child's my bedroom shells were covered in posters of san diego. I have a t shirt. That says i'd rather be in san diego every time i close my eyes to sleep. I dream that. I'm in san diego. Walking through balboa park waltzing through the catholic quarter doing good things that people do in san diego bermuda because we'll other mermaid has a vibrant colorful tale. I was born with a tail. That's dalton gray. Well if we know one thing merrill it's how to take someone from drab to fantastic. Let us help you. That's very nice. But i just met you. There's no way you can help me in time. I think it's best. You might just continue to wallow in self pity until the competition is over once again. Let me say to you what i said to another. Great merrill meryl streep. I said i know you have several oscars. But if you'll hear me out. I okay what this is. Actually that's not applicable here anyway merrill. Can we please help you. I never heard to try. And you know the best way to do. A makeover is it. A montauk sounds like a great opportunity for me to sing singing. Haphazardly makeover montage makeover. Man asked china to see if we don't marry women. Competition greet montage. Everyone quick efficient eric. I feel like you could tweak the lyrics but overall great work very susa work in progress so meryl how do you feel now this same you all just saying the song and dance in a circle without doing anything. Okay good note. I hear criticism. And i'm taking it in and i'm making a change. Well let's see what else we can do. How about we decorate your tail with some glitter and some paper sheets. That you love merrill. Is there anything that you're really into right now. Right now. I really into room temperature soup and small rocks okay. Cool idea about. We do hearts that works do i guess. Let's look at all these colorful hartson gleaner while you look incredible. Merrill swing around and see how they feel your go. Wow i've never felt so beautiful entire life. Yeah people and glitter and water. Historically don't make to weld together well back to square one. Don't worry merrill. we'll try something else. I have an idea how that we put you in a very dramatic theater cape. Well okay. i guess it's worth a try. Well look at you and that large dramatic cape may look mesmerizing. Merrill magician about the big trick fuse mingo mysterious like everyone's thinking only a really chic and interesting mermaid would have no use for sleeves down in the water and i have sunk. I really is here. Yeah i suppose only works. When it's not submerged in water it can become financially still in need of a hand. here oops. Yeah your home. And mike so many days before this i m yet again sad. I just can't do it. Maybe diego don't worry merrill. We've got more ideas i mean i don't i don't have any ideas but someone else probably does right. Somebody else please. I've got it moving. Goodness how we attached small fish to your tail to help you do i. It would work because of something to do with aerodynamics. Were really cool. I guess how little fish here's a look at you know. Meryl you're the tony hawk of verb aids gliding. Numberless sleep through the water. Look at those tricks. Beautiful fish cooling birmingham. I've ever seen cost you lose your balance. It's hopeless no merrill. Come on not all. We have so many more ideas like what it new ideas. I was a former get ever win the tail. Competition me high. No disturbance a place like san diego and i never will. Speaking of you can't spell his ass pizza. Which wine he's we'll be right back. Hey ups it's time for a special part of today's show sponsored by honey nut. Cheerios made with whole grain oats and a touch of golden. Honey honey nut. Cheerios can feel your family with a positive energy. That's worth sharing with others. Good morning. i'm sorry. I didn't mean to startle you. Peter your two inches from my face. And i'm trying to sleep sleep through this beautiful morning. Come on you big lug. What's a big lug who knows. He added that. I know you're a morning person but this is really overdoing it. Sorry i'm just having such a good morning. I couldn't keep it to myself. Peter what is going on. Well i thought about it and you know how everyone always wants to have a good day day. They say but i say how. Are you going to have a good day if you don't. I have a good morning. You know have a good breakfast. Little exercise a few dozen sell you -tations i guess and you're feeling good feeling great ready to have a good day so beep boop here. We are got heater. It's three and forty five a. m. Yeah still technically morning. It's dark out so morning for us to relish. We should have relished for breakfast. Okay fine you convinced me. Look i'm up out of bed. And i'm ready for a good morning what you know what. I'm kinda tired now. i think i'm gonna take a quick now. We beat it out. Start your day with honey nut cheerios. And turn your family's good morning into a good day. just look for. Vox wherever you shop for cereal. Honey nut cheerios. Good starts with happy hearts. 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I think our magazines saying you told us you love room temperature soup and small rock and we ignored you. Yeah if you're going to win this competition you meet to focus less on what's out here. She's pointing to stale and move on what's in here. She's pointing to merrill's brain end. What's in your heart. Thank you peter. But we can all see were nominee is pointing or did i say that route but how do i show them. What's inside of me. I know how. I doing an interpretive. Dad's enactor who moves merrill. Not a dancer who acts. And it's time to let the personality marrow. Go out there and tell your story merrill. Tell your story through dance as my very close personal friend slash colleague. The esteemed actress meryl streep one said for the last time i can. I'm not meryl streep. Why do you keep calling me that. Okay well going break a leg. Hello everyone it's apparel earlier. I am still here coming to you. Live from the fiftieth annual sale. Competition brought to you by shrimp schrimm. I'm getting word that our next in a final editor is coming to the stage. Let's put our hands together for looks good. I've never seen like this before watching story and this story is jerry clear about young murphy. Loves rocks and room. Tim wilson nothing to go off. There's so much sadness in the dance but also won't twirl is telling her story that's the crowd is going absolutely wyatt's romero and as the competitions singular judge. I'm going to the winner of this year's competition. You're not just that's merrill you're also winning a lifetime supply of shrimp shrimp. You get it it without you. We knew you could do it. Meryl you had it in you the whole time you were yourself anyway your personality shine and that made you as bright as the most colorful tail. Onstage is true did we do another story and here to introduce it is the author. Hi i'm eating a nine years old. I'm from pennsylvania. Indicas my door trapped in a back. Hello look dude. Hey mike can you play basketball with me and connor. Our ymca team has a game later. Oh if only my family hadn't been out of town when sign ups were going on. I'd be on the team to let me ask my dad. Hey can i go. Play basketball with connor. And mike can basketball the connor and mike. I'd be on the team with them with your band. Played your cousins during the sign up. Yeah all those band finger songs. Can i stop yelling. But yes all right. Come on the park. Six hundred forty doing push ups on his knuckles connors intense. One hundred fifteen. Knuckle pushups who. Oh hey look guys. They're glad you can help us. Warm up for game later. It'll help us achieve flow state wins for on the court. We gotta go soon. So let's play okay. But i want to be on my own team so me and connor on a team. Yes perfect to on won't teammate versus mook. Who's a good player. But isn't on our ymca team because your dad's band was playing his cousins out of town wedding during sign ups. Why does everybody keep bringing that up. Anyway good luke. Don't wish him luck. he's on the other team. Thima goner love it. You love competition man. Let's do this mike. I'm going to trick on the sick move. Wait are you lay up. And i'm not going to be able to block you jets score mike timeout t meeting mike over here saying look all the ball can you have a huddle with just two people connor huddleston. I bought the number. It's about the intake mike man. That was great layup. I to try that again. I go hook dropped the ball and now falling on topper. I feel like i'm disappearing. It's so dark. And i feel so small. It's snowflake like the inside of a basketball. Am i too wrapped in a basketball mike. Connor can you hear meal today but go. I don't know he probably got bored and went home here trapped in basketball go anyway grab the ball about to pick up the basketball hit. My head got to find a way out. Maybe if they try rolling the ball. Out of mike's hands from the inside it will hit something sharp. And break my. It just jumped out of my hands. A bitter nut senior that sloppy handling tonight's game connor. You sound like phil. Jackson and i love it. I'm still trapped inside the basketball connor. Look i spend the basketball on my finger Mike feels like my head is spinning so fast. Well glad that's over. Can't get much worse than this. Right up to the ymca league game sports fan channel. Three sports news anchor and local celebrity. I hear announcing play by play. Tonight's game we're at the game. Two game will feature connor steam charging he's persons the workday hamsters and now the rep is calling for the tip off. Let's watch have some fun out there on the court being wait that means using this basketball game. Nice game and see some hustle. Throw the ball up on the three. Get ready for a bumpy ride. Conard and the answer. Sport is taking down the court. And what's this. The defense grabs the ball. Mike got the ball and number thirty. Three now has the ball and is making a clear to the basket. He's up against a tough defense but beautifully rambler at the fair like must be pivoting beautiful. We're going back and forth. He's going out. And now we still raising the ball over his head looking for the water dropping in an elevator. And then hitting your head. Emergency here i go teammate. Catches it passes for delay up and he takes it up for some aggressive layup. It's circling around the rim at skated round round. Hit the ground it to the ball. Go through the basket or did it all the win. I can't tell i scarred was just one. I don't know. I predict this is going to be one great and high scoring game. Wow that was one. Great and high scoring game the charging piece defeat the workday hamsters one hundred and thirty two two hundred six times for a ball to be thrown. I know one thing is for sure that bomb must be a student. Would i made every basket for both teams. Most importantly everyone had fun. Isn't that right. Mr slide out okay. This is maria sanchez citing tonight's broadcast the night sports fan fun game but did you notice the basketball felt weird that basketball the weird after all that bouncing and dribbling i feel weird. It did luke wasn't supposed to be at the game. The last thing i saw loop was at the playground when he hit the ball really hard and disappeared. Maybe he got trapped inside that basketball. There's no way that that's exactly what happened. Something like that happen. I have no idea. But it's getting stuffy in here and let's just check. Let's cut it open. No if we don't cut it open then would you do would just cut the top open so kind of like my plan. Well kind of. I'm gonna cut it open. I'll use my exacto knife art class. That's here in my backpack. I would never use this unless i had a bunch of guidance from my art teacher. Sidney luke are you in there. Gosh if we'll silly. Colonel mike luke. All my gosh. You work trapped in a basketball. We got you on pulling you. I'm back nokia. i'll tell you all about it. Maybe over a game of basketball. We can't use this basketball though we destroyed it. The end now lee speaks with the author. I even i'm good. How are you very good. Ethan you wrote trapped in basketball in. How did you get the idea for trapped in a basketball knows this book. I was reading called traps in a video game. I love sports so much. I of combine the two things together and chose one of my favorite sports which is basketball and put them together and made that title. And then i started from there like i've learned basically all of my writing from school so i have to like think by teachers for. That's most of you to do. Yeah how did you teach us help you. Hell edit out our stories when they're like small and make them bigger and more citing. So i kind of did that. In my trapped in basketball story was an example of one tip. A teacher has given you about how to expand your story. Well like have a story that's already written down and it's small maybe a painter to what you're gonna wanna do is you're gonna wanna think deep look at the word you already wrote and chief you can add a little more like i was writing in basketball and those this part is it where i stopped and i didn't know what do that so i thought deep ended up with connor and mike and loop going to the basketball game and i just got deep so i could think of all that detail and i love that so much. What does it mean to you to think. Deep like that. It kind of like getting trapped in a thought like you're thinking of something and you're just you can't stop thinking about it. Thinking is so. It's so cool that we can do it. Yeah like adding the reins even come together like it's so cool like there's always a bunch of nets about how it came about but i don't think they're true can they're just miss so it would be cool. Scientists could find that out. Do you remember any of the myths that you're thinking about. I'm jewish show. I believe in god so like god it a lot of people. Jewish people say that god is like created the world in the beginning. Yeah like or whatever religion you are whatever you think like whatever created one person and then it just kept on growing and made into different families and everything is just really cool in your story. Luke gets trapped in the basketball. But you never really explain how that happens. Is there an explanation for how and why. He got trapped in the basketball. I mean i kinda using my imagination. So i think that basketball was like magic. Yeah i think probably an existing could do that. But it's the have really high tech ed. Yeah i think there definitely would be some high tech science involved walk. Is there some kind of technology that could be introduced to the game of basketball to make it better. The like there will be a device that they create and you attach the device to the basketball or maybe they couldn't inside the basketball. I don't know and then you're dribbling by defender in some way or just get around them. That'd be so cool the automatic dribbler. Yeah so cool. That's an amazing idea. And ethan now you have to invent that. I mean. I think i will or i'll try to move. That might be some dead. Doesn't it to be right away. But i believe in you think you got this. I might be able to do it. And just when you're unveiling the invention just you know remember the little guys like me even thank you so much for talking to me today about your story and letting us perform it. Welcome thanks ethan by. That's it for today's episode. Thanks for listening in a huge thanks to today's authors isaiah. And even before we go. Here's today's story spark kids write us a story about a character who learns to love themself. 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LITTLE WOMEN - Audio Review

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31:14 min | 1 year ago

LITTLE WOMEN - Audio Review

"They go ahead and talk about talk about About you know I know. There's a movie review so let's talk about books books. Let me see here so should have brought this up. I was in a rush tonight because you know car. Stop working but some. You might be familiar with this. I pull this up here to give visual. Oh let me see some. You might be familiar with the novel aval little women by Louisa May alcott. And if you're like me you had to almost reluctantly read. Read this in high school. I had to read this in high school. And then even WanNa then want to at you like any other kid out there like bitches at don't read read this. I I didn't WanNa read guy to okay. got a good start got good personalities. I like this and then and by the middle of it I mean I was at school at home I got out of amy gets with. Joe Does to amy for fucking her up. I was just like a soap opera. Yeah wow this must have been like soap opera soap operas for people back in the day. I mean you know. It's not trashy like today. Well you know people have more style class back in the day but it's very you have your little women. You'd have to read that in high school. Now I read the Hobbit High School. Okay interesting books of nurse. Why do they make me read this book but I had to read it and even at the time some people might say that that this the story of four girls and a family and how they their relationship and how they change throughout their lives might be a little over familiar for some people? I think this thing has been remade. So many many times the nineteen thirty-three version with Katherine Hepburn. That was made back in the day. There's there's one before that there was a silent movie. Yeah I don't know I don't know when that was me but yeah there was a silent one made at one time. There was a version Asian. Made back in one thousand nine hundred forty nine. That is A. That's that's pretty popular. Famous actress actors. People offer us. Chris Taylor was Brasi. Rowzee beat along telling you about not one not two nor even three but but for the loveliest little women has ever been my happy privilege to meet. Where does fuck? That's GONNA be the one to kill her husband. uh-huh uh-huh Brian June allyson. Who What the Hell is that? His family and his family on a lot of people might remember more reasonable than one thousand nine hundred versions of notoriety. who known a writer? What's the name man ran in West? looe Chris Christie Chris. Kirsten dunst yeah. That's that's the one. I can't remember that at least I can. Let's say that I saw the most recent because at the time I think we were starting to get into review movies but I remember seeing that one. I don't remember anything about it to tell you the truth. Was it in the theater. Yeah Okay Yeah No. It wasn't a theater there was even one thousand nine hundred seventy eight television version. The had William Shatner trying to speak the Frenchman Repay her repay. Oh No it's not necessarily for you. Maybe not but for me. I am shattered. We we the shadow x this. You might as well just him in him by just just just. Remorse is French but I have no money in crazy on Shontayne. Oh you have okay okay. What he's going to be Ghalem? We hates is it. We hate to do this But you know all these versions out there. What can they do now? I mean yeah has a different time but really at this point. We kind of get the gist right. you know these these girls now tell us not new. Well that's where the challenge comes in so now we got little women twenty nineteen. Let's go ahead and see if they actually actually can accomplish anything different that can appeal to this new page of young movie goers in the future the space age version. Ah Let's take a look at the trailer and we'll be back with the review working on a novel it is a story of my life and my sister's shorten spicy and if the main character is a girl make sure she's porn how. I want to be an artist in Rome and be the best painter in the world. You want you. Isn't that Joe to be a famous writer. Sounds so crass when she says crawls wrong way of getting into mischief so do I. This is down to. It's going to be drink. I intend to make my own way in the world. Though one makes their own way of all women you'll need to marry well you are not married. Well that's because I'm rich. Are you rich stands with me. Camp because scorched my dress and told me to keep still so no one would see it lady Eddie of havoc manage. Joe is a lost. Cause you or your family's hope I believe we have some power we love it. Isn't some religious happens to a person I think. The poets might the Subaru. We can leave right now. I'll sell stories John. You here's an actress and you should have a life on stage just because my dreams teams are different than yours doesn't mean they're important you ever. Since I've known you Joe I couldn't help it. Disaster disaster the woke up and couldn't be bothered could look at high and his hair's all messed beloved you have ever since I've seen you. Yeah you don't act like the highest grand you'll love is fucking trees. Trees perfect new play written by Miss. Joe Mott's women have minds and they have souls as well as just hearts. I want to be great or nothing. And they've got ambition and they've got talent as well as just beauties. I'm so sick of people saying love is just all fit for. I'm so sick of it. The teachers to date. So who does he marry. I didn't know first of all this was directed until actually saw the moving saw her name. Come up in the credits I didn't know about Greta. GERWIG really. That's all they've been talking about everywhere. Agassi been paying attention to my radar. Greta Gerwig especially when she didn't get a Golden Golden Globe nomination. Yeah Yeah She's a you've seen her movie like Francis Hob she also directed lady bird which some people still don't know but So she's actress director and looking at her and I said you know what she's okay. I understand why people would be talking about her doing because she's weird enough to do something different with this. She is one of those. Those kind of like hipster ticks man. WHO's GonNa put a personal spin on something? Also modern very modern strong long independent chick to and smart oversaw lady bird very smart with that sort of a semi autobiographical story of her life growing up in California but but she is smart enough to not do just a straight retailing of the book. You know what she did was to pretty much pick that book shut up real quick. Everything out of order is that right. Yeah Yeah everything you know. This is not a straight retelling of it. You know if you look at it. You've seen the movie right Yes so you've noticed that they go back and forth in time I was. Yeah I was really confused by that. So did you miss the part where the joker you had mentioned a bolt on messing around it comes back. I can't blame you Ashley. Ashley was confusing. Maybe because I just saw the witcher it's like okay. I can exist this little easy to follow. Yeah because everything here is done out out of time and for me that worked and worked as more than a Tarantino Gimmick that they're doing with this movie you know it's I think it's used cleverly show characters in certain in situations and then that situation is already interesting you into would you can kind of put it together. And then they'll show something they'll show a past incident or they'll do a flashback or vaccine showing you the roots of that situation which to me is cool because it just adds more layers was already an interesting story. I was cool being told what I have right now but this is really kind of cool seeing how it started and where it came from and I I I enjoyed that. They mixed it up like that. That is one of the things that already separates itself. Yeah from all the other versions thought. Okay as one thing that you did right there but you didn't sound like he didn't like that aspect of it though. Well I'm at a distinct disadvantage here in that I didn't read the book. Now keep them. I don't remember Shit about that book. Okay and with all those adaptations we've seen up to this point. I'd never seen any of them. I have zero familiarity with this one thing. I can't say off the bat looking at all those other adaptations. This seems to be the first time that the actresses are age appropriate for the years. Yeah because that what Katherine Hepburn on my Little Women Yellow and your thirties. What's going on? Yeah yeah he will even the youngest one But I say that and I still think this movie is very well done well acted. We'll directed very well put together. It looks great okay. I thought I was waiting for that but coming here. No no I I want to say but I'll tell you what you museums but there you go ahead. Please continue well. No you know what I think about that for Morgan because right now the way I look at some of you out there saying look look now. If you're like watching all this little British Christmas isn't that British and that's that's what I can tell you dumb ass any British. I wasn't correcting okay. Yeah 'cause sus assist man I was backing up your point about. Hey Look I want what I was going to say. Look I wouldn't be surprised if you work because modern modernized but that's That's something that you would say. No dumb like it ain't British but he's right is not is not. Because you're looking at this and you're seeing I've seen all these prints Revolution Simpson's shaking people wearing on seeing all these fancy outfits you've seen Candlelit living-rooms and people prancing about at at balls was dances and all that kind of stuff and watching and thinking. I want to watch out his old public television masterpiece theatre British issue is not now have the cast is British uh-huh and they do travel to Europe a couple of times a fresh nude up in there but this is a this is an American story. In fact I think it takes place in Concord Massachusetts. Yeah and you know. It's a not to worry about British accents. The reason I'm saying that those because there's a lot lot of British people in here her Maini from Harry Potter is in here and she lobbies people some Cronin and yes all the people who very very well with the you know. There's no big surprise. These folks can do American accents very well with the ones that are trump during the British accent. But they've not only the axe very good but they're doing very well and the reason why bring up the accidents. It's because they're not talking. I'm not even talking like old. No doing old English old English you. No I'm out. MERICA takes place during the time of the civil war. Yeah and there's even parts and he was even leaving us. They really try to update this time. Even use slaying in here if they would if that's something we're doing back the time. Are they just doing it to actually appeal to the INSTAGRAM. In the you know the twitter generation I think take a moment where search Ronin hanging out with Timothy Charlemagne cranston about. And she's like Oh. My God does dances so capital and I was like yeah. Well that could have worked stupid unto anybody else's direction. No no right now right. You're right you're right that works I mean when she chastise them for not checking our snapchat I was the lonely was snapped. You actually have to run it over with they are practicing what you know. And and and put stuff in there about How at the time times changed for women in his seems natural? I put in a feminist angle. Here now people can they complain about. I'm one of them. Actually all I've been reading about is people praising the movie for doing that and I and I'm one of the people that praised now. I'm one the people that I'm very hard on a forced social ISS- issue in a movie special with feminism. But I think is great when it's done naturally and this is the perfect time to do this because because these women who are dealing with times changing he's a women who are starting to question the independence usually women who have done so much to help the war effort and now the star. She's not a lot of shift. I still have to sit under your shadow Florence Pew in the movie. You A you. Last time you saw her. She was crying too often middle of Switzerland ever. She was in a midsummer and here. I'll rely lighter character. Man She's wanted character lays it down like it is she lays she does a although I gotta say it went part. She did something that made me so mad. I think back to the end of the movie still not forgiven for it. I you know what I thought I was. I was more irritated by somebody else in the movie. Because she was laying down some knowledge in this movie she liked. You know look I know exactly. How Times are what I need to do? I got to marry a rich. Do in the way she's laying down almost. Sounds like I mean yeah times have advanced. But she's laying down truth so hard it's like people can look at this and relate today plus it's just a really good speech. She's just one of the many great performances in the film. I've always known I would marry rich. Why should I be ashamed of that to be shamed of as long as you love? I believe we have some power over who we love. It isn't something that just happens to a person. I think the poets might disagree. Well I'm not a poet. I'm just a woman and as a woman. There's no way for me to make my own money not enough to earn a living or to support my family. And if I had my own money which I don't that money would belong to my husband husband the moment we got married and if we had children they would be his not mine they would be his property so don't sit there and tell me that marriage is an economic proposition because because it is may not be for you but it most certainly is for me. I should makes you think this is kind of like a time. Women have become aware where you know they. They will always aware but people women fighting for rights at that moment and whatnot and name some dislike can fight all you want to fuck you know. It's I think about how you see women fighting for their rights and women's kind of being aware of their power. You know how much they contribute to society and still had to sit back and say man. You know what I'm Listen I ain't get my ass whooped ain't no plantation but I'm kind of a slave is definitely not equal. No no the only problem with that though is that of the. I'll say this about the movie like it's almost like they they They they talk about how these women in an independence and whatnot. They almost in a way. Say that you know what but if you decide to like what if love is your dream what if love is an what if you want a man of family they say well if that's all you want then you're fucked. Also they do not put it in a good light in his movie. What it's like to just Kinda just submit to what? Yeah no society expects on the flip side though they do something really cool and they say they say listen being too independent has it's a a disadvantage has its disadvantages to Certainly Ronan as Joe in the movie. She's proud of the most fierce independent Of the of all the sisters she just finding lays down late. You know what is cool fighting the good fight and being independent woman. I just really want some France I just. I just feel just feel like women the they have minds and they have souls as what was just hearts and they've got ambition. They've got talent as well as just beauty and I'm so so sick of people saying that love is just all of women is fit for. I'm so sick of it. I'm so lonely. Oh my Jesus as a translator translation for your Komo. It'll be real. She's perfect for that role to ms because she worked with Greta Gerwig on On her last movie lady bird where she played another crazy as independent character schools. Anyway mom she just go to city college you you know with your work ethic just go to city college and then to jail and then back to city college and then maybe you'd learn to pull yourself up and not expect everybody every this uh-huh almost saying cake man. Thought they've ever seen what she jumped out of a book But I been really. I enjoyed the movie masks. Beautiful Film I thought I thought it was so many shots in here. where it's I hardly ever talk about this? In a movie Man I talk about framing but they frame some shots in this movie man where it's just linger on him is that you can just I mean it's someone just like just staring at a photograph and you know someone's GonNa move in a minute this is gonna like this really framing is very nice look at that. That's what I'm talking Batman. He just kind of they're not afraid to let the environment just engulfed the care to speak for itself at times. You know this is not always a tight. A tightly shot movie where the cameras always character. This is why get tired of those goddamn talking about the hidden life in the terrence malick with cameras up in everybody's nostril the whole. Ah Yes if terrorists matic shot this be up in their face and that CAM. He looked like he'd have park. There's some piss Karen shaking all over the place. It's a beautiful shot movie but it's also so very well framed. I don't know the cinematographer here is but this always moves being a photograph. This is really shot like a photograph in sometimes and it's like a painting that scene right there appropriate. 'cause one of the characters is a painter. I enjoyed it. You say I'm on you had a you doing my only but is is everything you say about. It is absolutely true I just didn't get endeared to it I don't even have an explanation for you. Yeah I don't know man I listen listen I did not. I don't know I don't remember anything about that book. I'll tell you that right now. I don't even remember anything about the movie. That's why I thought this twilight this movie so much out of the book and then seeing one movie I should stick with me. I'm not doubting. It was a good experience on his reading. I'm not downing. I respected it when I saw clearly. Because you you read along with it and you wanted to know what was going to happen. Yeah yeah this is. I don't remember anything about it though this this is going to stick with me I've for some reasons left an impression on me. That will make me. That will make me remember this longtime I am not. I think I think it has something to do with the way they modernized and instead of just trying to do you know straight period piece retelling. That's one of the shots. I was talking about. That was amazing. Yeah I don't know what it is at the everything just worked well with a worked very well for me altogether. I don't still know you haven't done my top tin. Yeah movies but this. I don't know it might just be a very good move on my top ten best movies but I enjoy this man. I enjoyed this very much. Aren't thing that I can say that I didn't like the ending. This was very cliche you know was one endings of what are you doing coke at home. You're not you know it was around Tom. Brady is way too but ed masons for what they did. I know I just want to say gee. You're part weren't endeared by Martin I haven't seen the film so put that out there right now but having seen the trailer this does look like any masterpiece theater any PBS CBS. I say it's not and that's that's fine but from what I can see just from that maybe could have been like. We've maybe seen the story so many times or something or at least variations with with that. Maybe that's why it's like. Well I've seen these are similar to this or at least the same type of story where you have their independent woman. Who wants to you know? Establish your independence but then dealing dealing with just the the the how society is and being oppressed by. I think it's it's some of that. It's it's a little bit of the the soap opera ish of it. I mean I mean it's it's way way above that and yet there's still some element of that too of course share that commonality. I get that and I don't know I just usually with something like this. You'll have like between the four sisters you'll have at least one you go like okay. She's my favorite and I'm going with her and I just felt okay. I I mean I guess I like this one better than the others but not not really i. It's it's hard for me to come here and have this this and not be able to define it better but it was like I was watching and I was like what is this. Okay and and I can. I can definitely appreciate the artistry that goes into and recognize. What's good about it but it just wasn't personally it? Just wasn't you know. Get past the wall to to get to me to where I was like. Oh I love this catching. Yeah I mean look you talking about how this looks like masterpiece theatre where uh-huh okay. People can say the same thing about downtown down down down them. Yeah no no down Abbey worked and we talked about the room and I said I don't want to still see addition to make fun of it. I came like wow man. It was like a soap opera. Not In the worst though it was like something where they told their stories of all these characters and every character had it really tight story going on charity eventually somehow not like Tarantino's dot again but all we somehow work to the bigger picture. That's what happened here. It's not like soap. Opera shouldn't even be saying net. These girls have their own lives. They delivered that very well. And that's what made the book I imagine so successful these all. These girls have the different personalities. That's what makes me dear to them. They're all different people people all of them stand out one way another ones the ones the independent fierce spirit one is the WHO wants to settle down and be married once. One is an artist. One Who's an you know one is sort of the bratty character. But I'm putting on putting labels on on that. Don't really do them justice but they all not only had the own personalities nowadays but their personalities affect their their story arc says the movie goes and they all carry the own story. And it's like you know I'm really interested in and when it's all said and done the reason and what can be mad at him because they go through a real feeling family here when they when when he's they they're they're terrible things that happened in his movie that are done intentionally Leeann some that are just done because life is just sometimes shitty but they all come back to this thing of we are family supports each other and I was very impressed where there was a care the character you talking about hating while I was like wow you know what because they showed that the family theme right there of family and forgiveness. It made me even dear to them more. I really I I could see why this is a successful book and I think that this did a great job at adapting it to a time where people as you say might. Why not want to see something like that but if you were let's just say you know you not look if you see every marvel movie you watch our hard movies? Ain't nobody gonNA tell you to wash this stupid stupid and I'll tell you this is for the people who are either just a movie lovers. I'd like to go to movies. or they get things more minded and they just you know. I'm not insulting Alton anybody somebody I think you'll like this. Are you just like movies. In general this is this is to me a good film. It's brought brought into the into modern times very cleverly. The acting in this is great the only one I can't really say anything about it. They'd be Meryl Streep and that's not because I don't like Meryl Streep Meryl Streep is being Meryl Streep you know the Cheese Meryl Streep that's who she is and that and it's not bad but don't expect a big You know this. There's a different performance from her. You'RE NOT GONNA get his Meryl Streep but I'm impressed with the young cast that we have and I made fun of Timothy. Shallow but Timothy Chalet. Eh is really a great. He's a great actor man. He's a great actor and some people are comparing him and he compared to other two older actors Marlon Brando Window. Everybody wants to compare people to Marlon Brando. He's Kinda Kinda has that that way. Uprooting like Marlon Brando which is not forced. He's not trying to be too edgy. He's just you know he's just. It's kind of a way delivers lines not overly dramatic. You know he I think he feels natural. Yeah I liked the film man like the film. Camelot I'd give it a full price Like I said the only thing that can say is is like maybe the ending was a little ending was a little cliche okay. But that's the end. They did a great job for the rest of the film. Thank Greta Gerwig is a amazing director. Man She really is. I mean this is you. You know. It's it's it's a evolution from from Lady Bird. Lady Bird was good. Yeah it's just to see what she can do with a period piece that has so many moving parts all right. She's got talent and skill. Would you give him. My my level of enjoyment was even even though my level enjoyment was more of of a matinee. I give this movie a full price because it deserves that it does have all the elements of something that that is a full price movie it it does exactly what it should do I just I I wanNA watch it again. Yeah and understands I. I've actually been going back and rewatch and some of these movies. These these end of the a year things. It's it you watch so many movies. You Watch so many films now you at this point you watch more than me and I think you have to watch so many movies is it's easy to collect not get into a movie broken apart. You understand what I'm saying. I mean that's not a no. No no no. You're absolutely right about that. I can do that Shit. I mean it becomes that thing thing with the end of the year where I'm I'm hit with these movies. I'm watching and I know everything's coming down to what's the best and a lot of times. Something is not hitting that all right already already. got this this filled here. If you can't crack this then I'll know to tell you and you could be good but a spot here Chad Tom. But I know you're off of that and I ain't trying to set up the joke to be funny somebody to say I can't wait for the sequel. Big Women's stop stop. It could do. You could tell you that you could. You could feel the pride love this this. I'm about boo. ooh Booth and post boom. All right. Talent is what you can do naturally naturally which you have a you're able to naturally do easier than other people skill is something that you learn you practice there you go. I think a wise man once said that thing was Kevin Spacey.

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GSMC Entertainment Podcast Episode 144: Bad Bunny and The Devil Wears Prada

GSMC Entertainment Podcast

39:14 min | 1 year ago

GSMC Entertainment Podcast Episode 144: Bad Bunny and The Devil Wears Prada

"The girl but the day. Just be one without your Hollywood Vince. Golden state media concepts. That are ten podcast. Take care of that and all inclusive look up pop culture Pay and a welcome to GMC ENTERTAINMENT. Podcast brought to you by the GSM. See podcast network. I'm your host. Cynthia happy Monday. Everybody I hope you all are having a very strong and pleasant Start to your week and help you. All had a very productive weekend as well or find one or two one. Whatever the VIBE was for you. Mine was definitely jam-packed we did a pre birthday celebration for my older sister. She is going to be turning twenty six and we went to Napa Valley. So for those of you who don't know not but is the place to go wine tasting here in California so we were over at Napa Four. My sister's birthday celebrations over the weekend. And you guys. I am not a wine drinker. I don't even like the taste of alcohol so this was a struggle for me but I had to do it because I'd honor my sister and her birthday and that's all she wanted to do but who else out. There gets tipsy off one. Drink one glass of wine. Because I'm that person and I was like what is going on so I definitely couldn't hang but nonetheless I had a great time all my family members way and yeah. That's pretty much what I did over the weekend. Not that any of you guys are Super Interested. But if you are there it is. That's what I did and less get into what we're here to cover today. We have a lot per usual because there's always things going on in the entertainment world and the entertainment industry is just so crazy and there's always conflict and drama but that's why we're so drawn to it right. Let's get into a first and foremost we need to talk about this. Latino Latin superstar bad bunny for those of you who are not aware of who bad bunny is heard of him. Don't know who I'm talking about. He is a Puerto Rican superstar. He is on top of the world right now. He just dropped an album. He's been in the game for a minute So a little background and full about him just so you guys have some context to follow up with me so this Lon superstar he was nominated for an a very impressive number of fourteen. Bo- Boring Latin music awards this year And he stopped over at ease daily. Pop this past Monday to talk about his new album activism and so much more which. We'll be covering on this I. I commend some kind of going to join all those those things in this first segment. We're GONNA talk about bad. Bunny were his name. His stage name comes running talk a little bit about his album. We're going to talk about some of his activism and things of that source I'm going to Kinda Cram a lot of INFO in this first segment so I hope you guys are able to keep up and listen to put me so. Let's talk about the origin of his stage. Named bad bunny. He just revealed The adorable origin of his stage name. That comes from a picture when he was a kid. he even says he thinks he was about six years old. He was at the tonight show by the way so he was a guest tonight show and asked them how this name came about. How did he brainstorm it so it all goes back when he was six years old and it was history? He was showing pictures for all the audience members to see and he's showing this precious picture of himself in a white bunny costume and he said I was so mad. That was Easter Day in the school and the teacher picked me to dress up. He says in Spanish. But I'm translating English so you guys are able to follow But yes I just thought it was really cute. How his stage name goes all the way back to when he was a little a baby bad bunny right and from a terrible day at school which happened to be on Easter. And he's wearing this white bunny costume and he doesn't want to wear it so I just thought that was super sweet and that he shared that story. I always like learning about artists. And you know just famous people in general how they come up with their stage names because half more than half of the people that we known the industry. Those aren't even there. You know real names so I always learning about the origin of their stage names. How do they come up with a name? Like what would your guys stage name be? I don't know what mine would be some Liz. I don't know it's Kinda hard like I feel like to really being this like in the zone. Really think about a brainstorm but anyway so that's how bad bunny came into play and we need a talk about bad bunnies latest. Look at his recent tonight. Show performance He definitely made a statement and all the right ways with his clothing and he's never been shy about sending a message with the way he dresses. I mean if you know who bad bunny as you follow him. He is a Latino man. He Wears Nail Polish earrings. Sometimes skirts like dresses. Mpa I mean he is all out there when it comes to his fashion and I love it. I mean like I said. He's not shy about sending a message with the way he dresses. Especially when it comes to up ending age old convention surrounding the way straight man should present himself and only a straight man they may actually be like gender fluid. If I'm not mistaken you guys can correct me the comments but not only does he kind of break. Those stereotypes of our old conventional ways of how men should present themselves. But especially for like the man to be doing that for those of you. Who aren't aware with the Latino culture. It's very there's this term called my cheese mom and that pretty much means like very macho. A Latin culture tends to be that way where men doll shouldn't cry. You know that's what men are taught. Their whole lives and Latin Culture. Meant shouldn't cry. Men's shouldn't be sensitive. Shouldn't be vulnerable. Shouldn't talk in this manner of shouldn't wear pink or whatever the dumb conventional old ways are so bad bunny completely breaks those and I think that's why a lot of people are drawn to him gravitate towards him and to his music because not only does is music slop. Okay but it's inclusive. It's for everybody and he truly stands by that. So I know I kind of went on a little tangent right now. So let's go back to the way. He dressed for the tonight show so while he was performing his newest single ignorant. This means ignorant bunny. Bad Bunny rocked over sized pink double breasted Blazer and a heavily pleaded black kilt dropping the former off his shoulders towards the end of his performance to reveal a simple graphic t- underneath and in that graphic. T- bad bunnies Shirt red and I'M GONNA say it in Spanish than translate so a shirt said my thought on. Alexa no-now reconciled. They're so an English that means they killed Alexa. Not a man in a skirt and this is to reference and to honor a trans woman who was shot dead in his native country of Puerto Rico earlier this week and the police report that miss gendered her as a man dressed in a black skirt. So the very unfortunate situation that you know this community of people are still treated this way and are not respected and like I said especially in Latino culture. It's very it's not accepted to this day again. It's an unfortunate situation but bad bunny always he. I love the. He sheds light on the situation and specially with his gender fluid style. I feel like he's like the perfect person to shed light on this situation. And I love how he honors her. Her feral name was Alexina grown Luciano again a transgender woman who was killed in his home aboard the Rico so he just tends to like show This little way of showing you know his activism through his performance and like I said this he wore a black kilt on live TV. And I just think it's very commendable while he's doing the stereotypes breaking especially in the Latin culture so I just applaud him and like I said his music slaps so I'm a fan and less get into his new album very quickly so he just dropped new album a highly anticipated album. And I'M GONNA I like spill it out for you guys 'cause it like Kinda doesn't make sense is just a bunch of letters grouped together so his album title is why H. L. Chew S. M. D. L. G. All capitalized letters. The meaning of his title in English translated English is I can do whatever I want. So really what that says the. Why h. o? Q. As D L G In Spanish how you would say as you look similar Ghana and it English. I could do whatever I want. So that's the name of his album title in English and he says that's exactly how he feels at the moment in his life and his music that he can do whatever he wants. He's a Free. Shuman being free soul and it'd be innocent. You could do whatever he wants whatever. He pleases his life and the only person that he needs to focus on. You know making sure as happy as himself and like. I said I feel like this whole message and brand is being like he really tries to tell everyone to be yourselves. And that's why he you know dresses and gender fluid clothing and I really love that about him and I'm like such a fan of bad bunny lemon on the comments of you are as well and we're GONNA come into our first break right now when we come back. I'm going to show the guys things you never knew about the iconic legendary movie the Devil Wears Prada fine would movies to go see and check out the GMC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick. This show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See Now don't bother. What's hot on Netflix? And everything in between that's GSM PODCAST DOT COM back slash. Movie Dash podcast. When it's all about the movies. It has to be this new show. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gs MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO legal toe and welcome back to tsmc entertainment podcast ripe for the over the previous segment. I share with the guys. I am going to be talking about things you never knew about the devil wars product. So I'm going to be sharing some interesting facts about this iconic movie to this day it is still one of my favorite movies hands down. There's so many memorable quotes I'm a huge fan of Meryl Streep. I mean who isn't that woman does not age okay and had the way as well. I mean I'm just like in love with the cast in love with the concept of the film so I actually. I think I'M GONNA. Watch that movie when I get home later tonight because just talking about it like I need to watch it and relive some the best moments from that movie so many of these were super surprising to me as well. I love digging deep and finding out quirky little things about movies. That were made Interesting Trivia facts and things of that store I like knowing the behind the scenes of how movies are made what was the process like was it. Strenuous was a smooth. How many days did it take to shoot all of that? Good stuff and we're going to cover all right now so don't go anywhere and did you guys know spent like sent a. It's been eleven years. Actually since the premiere of the Devil Wears Prada and fans like myself are still finding opportunities to recite some of the iconic quotes any chance that we get and one of those being. Let me see if I can remember one Oh florals for spring groundbreaking. Let me know if you guys caught that. Did you guys just catch my little iconic quote? I just said right. Now it's from the movie. Okay but all right. Let's get into some things never knew about the making of the film. So for starters. The movie is based on a true story for those of you who are not aware like myself actually. I'm not aware of any of these things about a mentioned so I'm not GonNa sit here. Nakai knew anything anyway. The based on a true story. It's actually based on a book written by Lauren. Wise Burger she which she was the former assistant to the editor in chief vogue and a one tour so based on a true story people next studios fought over the rights to the book so before the book even hit the shelves back in two thousand three many studios. We're fighting over their rights to turn this book into a film. They only had at the time. One hundred pages to go off of but the studios were so confident in the books premise. So Fox's former President Carla Hack and told variety I was the first person to read it at Fox two thousand I thought Miranda Presley was one of the greatest villains ever I remember we aggressively went in and scooped it up so this was everybody wanted a piece of this movie and I can see why because again when you think about it. What other icon ICK? Movies are so successful that dive into the Fashion World the magazine World Like I. It's a pretty unique concept and there's not that many movies based off you know this theme so I'm not surprised that many people wanted to partake in this project and turn the book into a movie. Next interesting little fact it took four writers to get the screenplay right swept first. They tried to adopt the film or the movie straight from the book going through four riders. Trying to do so then. They realize they needed to manipulate the story for the movie. And Kara Hopkins says in a statement if you study the book. There isn't a strong narrative that propels the plot forward that required quite a bit of invention and try on air and since there wasn't a strong third act in the book we needed to invent that and the third act is the assistant so remember. We have verandah priestly which is Moran or not Miranda is Meryl Streep Than We have Anne hathaway as Andy. Andy is remember ever seen the movie. The assistant who used to be Miranda price lease like right hand her Goto by was Andy's competition. That's that Third Act. So they totally like invented up third rule. That third cares dear which I think that definitely added an extra layer another depth to the movies. So congratulations to those four writers because it turned out extremely well next. Interesting fact about the Devil Wears Product Casting. Miranda's kids from the movie was an extremely difficult task so the cast and crew went through hundreds of twins before they found the right pair for the roles. So for those of you who don't remember the movie in the movie Miranda had a set of twins and I always think about that. Like how do they really go and like fine? I thought that'd be hard to do like finding twins that are good actors and that our children like I already think about like when I see kids and movies or TV shows and they can act so well. How are they able to do that? Like remember the lines like a six year old remembering the lines. Perfectly are like crying on demand. I would not be able to do that. I mean I already don't have the best memory so I applaud. Those children are able to do so so thousand. Other little interesting thing I wanted to share with the guys next Thomas Lennon was originally offered the role of Nigel so again. Nigel was Andy's friend in the movie. So but Thomas Lennon had turned on that role due to conflicts with filming Reno. Nine eleven filming was at the same time I feel like Thomas Lennon would have been perfect for this role of Nigel. Like he is so animated so funny and witty like He would have been perfect for Nigel. But that's not to say that I'm like I'm still happy with Stealing Tucci. Playing Nigel the devil. But Thomas Lennon would have been a great Great for that rule as well and speaking of Stanley Tucci. He accepted the offer to play. Nigel seventy two hours before stepping on set. So for months the team the cast and crew struggled to find an actor fit to play Nigel and at the very last minute they came across Stanley Tucci and he was onset playing. Nigel only seventy two hours after his audition. So right away. I don't know if they were desperate. Or what again? That's no shade. I'm just stating facts here They right away. They got him into this onset record or not recording but filming so after seventy two hours. Because I've heard sometimes after auditions they don't call you back for weeks. Oh seventy two hours is not that bad next interesting fact males Meryl Streep Refuse to play the role as the iconic Miranda Presley unless they raised her salary. Yes girl case. She's over here. She knows her worth and she's demanding it. So I'm going to share with the guy's a quote that Miranda's Moran are now. I'm getting nervous. I want like mix both of her personas together like her. Real identity with the devil was prod identity. So I'm sorry I get Miranda Merle mixed up Meryl Streep shared in a statement. The offer was too mind slightly if not insulting not perhaps reflective of my actual value to the project. There was my goodbye moment and then they doubled my offer. I was fifty five and I just learned out of very late date how ideal on my own behalf. Yes girl I love this. She knows her worth. She's getting that money securing the bags so I love that. And the fact that she's fifty five at the time fifty five. That's absolutely ridiculous. I said is warned. Us Not age and especially in the double was product. She does not look fifty five so I like that statement right. There made me so happy. Because I'm like okay. Well she's over here demanding a salary. She's probably already making Hella figures and she's like no I need more. I love it next so before this role Anne hathaway had only started and children's films which I didn't I fail to realize until I read this but it's absolute true so prior to the Devil Wears Prada and had the way start and Ella enchanted and the Princess Diaries and other iconic movie and this role specifically with the devil wears Prada helped to shift the direction of her career to more mature films adult films. And when I mean adult films I don't mean Porn. Okay I know that came out Kinda wrong but like you know just more mature audience so I. I thought it was pretty interesting because I didn't realize WHO's only kids kids movies next. The team originally wanted Rachel Adams to make Rachel McAdams deeply. Andy so andy again. That was Anne hathaway positions that was between Anne hathaway and Rachel Make Adams following her major success in the notebook and mean girls. The casting crew pushed hard for Rachel Mike Adams but she turned them down saying that she wanted to take a break from quote on quote mainstream material. I mean I don't really know what qualifies as mainstream material like is the devil wears product mainstream. I don't know maybe but I feel like Rachel. Make Adams turned on a really huge opportunity and Anne hathaway got all the shining glory. So that's an L. for Tomac items next to prepare for the role as Andy Anne. Hathaway volunteered as an assistant like a real life assistant. She felt that she needed that real experience as an assistant to get into her character. As Andy for the movie so and had the way. She volunteered at an auction house. Which I've heard of a lot of actors doing this to kind of get into more character. Get in the mood into the swing of things for their role next. This was in this movie. The third time and hathaway's characters Beth best friend and a film was named Lily. So we backtrack to movies like Ella enchanted and the Princess Diaries and best friends or her characters in those movies were also named Lily. I was thinking about this. Who Does the stats for each movie? For H. Actor actress and their career. Like you think about like who was keeping track of like okay. Let's keep track of how many of ants characters best friends are named Lily. Like this is like sports I think about the actual like house. How people in the sports industry take stats of the players? And the teams like this people do for films and actors and actresses and directors and producers and writers like. That's actually crazy to me and I just realized that right now like who thinks these things takes note of these things. It's so just wild to me but I mean that's just to know that lets me know this job for everything which is kind of crazy all right another interesting little fact about the divorce product. The director say it took many takes to complete the Cote montage so remember the montage of Miranda priestly slamming. Her coat's down on Andy's desk. Every time you know they said it was a hard day for Meryl Streep the Director Recalls through are probably thirty takes where either her arm got stuck or the coat didn't hit the desk at the right time and director said that was one of the funniest things that he had ever witnessed was meryl streep trying to slam all these coats and just not getting the right angle or not heading the right time or getting caught her arm so I thought that was a pretty comical. As well and another we have a lot. You guys like there are so many interesting facts about this film so like I said. I hope you're going to keep up with me. So team struggled to find an apartment. End Manhattan to you. I don't know why about so we're Manhattan Manhattan to use as a set of Miranda's home so it was a struggle to find a place to Film ultimately the townhouse that will use as Miranda's Miranda Priestley's home in the movie belong to the front of the producer but if it wasn't for that friend of the producer they would have had no filming location for New York are for her apartment. I mean it's New York film like everything's overcrowded. There's like people living on top of people similar to the bay area. I'm not surprised and ladies and gentlemen I'm going to go into another very brief break when we come back. I'm going to share with the guy's a few more interesting statistics about the divorce. 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Their budget wouldn't allow them to shoot in Paris for those of you don't know there's a scene towards the end of the movie that shoots in Paris and it was kind of shocking to me to find out are for me to find out that the production of the movie had very little money to work with and in a moment of true desperation the directors and producers sent Fox a sizzle reel to convince them to fund the trip and thankfully it was met with positive response and they were able to fly to Paris. Something another interesting fact regarding you know. They're low budget not or not having a lot of money for or the budget being low for the movie. Meryl Streep actually didn't shoot in Paris. Oh while Anne hathaway and Simon Baker flew out to Paris and I thought that was pretty comical Fox thought it would be too expensive to fly. Meryl Streep out so all of her Paris scenes were actually filmed in the US. Which I thought was so funny because earlier I mentioned how Meryl Streep told them. I'm not playing in your little movie if you're not paying me more money like Anti-nazi more Zeros okay. And they didn't fly her out because she's too expensive. I'm trying to get to that level. I'm trying to Meryl Streep level where people think like she's expensive Like I don't know by WanNa be flown out like that and she didn't get flow now so I just was pretty funny that they thought Fox that she would be too expensive fly out so they say you wrote working to keep you in the US. And we're GONNA fly the cheaper ones out to Paris. I don't know in this case. Maybe I wanted to be one of the cheaper ones and be flown out next interesting fact about the movie. The cost of the was one million dollars. One million dollars you guys costumes. Patricia field who designed the outfits and all the pieces came from major designers like Valentino. And so on and speaking of Valentino. He actually was the only designer who made an appearance in the movie which is kind of hard also to believe because the whole movie is based off designers and fashion. Here's why though while the characters in the movie war pieces from many other designers in the film. Valentino was one to show up apparently people. There was some speculation that Editor in chief at a Vogue Anna wintour threatened to ban any designers who made an appearance from being featured in the pages of vote against his off speculation. But that would be so messed up if she like told all these designers from like Louis Gucci Prada and so on if you make an appearance in that little movie like you're not going to be featured invoke so many Valentino is like you know I don't care I'm going to show up. I don't know how that really went down. But that's this is all speculation next. Okay we're almost done with these fun little. There's so many guys when I was looking up interesting facts about the movie there were over fifty and I really twenty for these are twenty interesting fax next. Meryl STREEP DIDN'T TRY TO IMPERSONATE ANA wind tour in the Devil Wears Prada but rather she tried to him personally. Clint Eastwood you guys. Like totally out of the ballpark. Not even the same like industry in terms of fashion. You know like the whole movie is based off The assist of real based on a true story of Anna Wintour and her assistant and you would assume Meryl Streep is trying to Person Anna wintour. But she's not she's trying to impersonate Clint Eastwood. If you guys remember the diverse product Meryl Streep doesn't have. She's not yelling. She's not screaming. You know when we think of terrible bosses we think of those types of terrible bosses who like are in your face aggressive and loud 'em meryl ship was the complete opposite which I think made her role. Even more brilliant. She says that she got her voice from Clinton's way an because he never ever raise his voice and everyone would have to lean and listen and he would automatically become the most powerful person in the room so that was kind of where her head was at and she'd totally nailed it because in the whole movie she's kind of gives you the deaths there the death glare and you just know like shut up last but not least final fact about the movie. The divorce product earned almost eight times. What it cost to make so despite the production team working with an extremely low budget forty one million dollars to be exact which is low for movies it went onto to earn around three hundred twenty six million dollars in box office sales so it more than tripled. Their income are not their income but the money they made back so who ended up winning at the end the devil wears Prada the production team. So all in all lemon on the comments if you are a fan of the devils Prada again one of the most iconic movies with a amazing 'cause and had the way Meryl Streep and moving on an entirely different subject. Megan stallion okay. There have been tweets going on hashtags going on Hash tag free. The Stallion Hash Tag Free Meg and this is why. Megan stallion claims that record label her pass. Record Label fifteen o one certified entertainment as preventing her from releasing new music. She legally cannot drop new music. Because of this binding contract she has with her pass record book. She briefly spoke on the matter in an instagram. Live session yesterday and at one point. She said that she didn't understand what was in her contract when she initially signed with the label. Which by the way she signed at the very young age of twenty like who really understands a contract at the age of twenty as she stated that certain details and become clear to her until she signed with Jay z's label ROC nation. She then claims that once she asked to re renegotiate renegotiate her contract with fifteen wine. The label would not allow it. She said as soon as you said the magic word renegotiate everything went loved things went by and she expressed her frustration. Instagram live saying you know. It's a greedy gain. People just care about money. It's about the music and she says it's definitely not the I made. This is definitely not the first time we hear about artists. You know being scammed or being exploited or whatever the case may be we always hear of these labels you know holding their music and not being able to release their own music and there's a shame because you know what we need the music. The people need the music hot girl. Summer is right around the corner and we need new music for a hot girl activities okay. Megan just revealed a few days ago to that her next album. Titled Sugar or Suga as it said was aiming for a release date of May second which is Due to her being her late mother's birthday but now seems drop day will be pushed back and when she doesn't even know when okay because again fifteen o one for entertainment is not willing to renegotiate her contract and I just. This is a common problem that we see in here about way too often within the music industry they deliberately use insanely complicated ambiguous language to mislead artists. I mean none of us I mean also. None of us have seen this contract to really come at fairly on the subject but again one thing we've seen time and time again. Is that when you combine a young artist and a need the likelihood of signing an exploitive deal becomes immensely more likely and I feel like that's exactly what could have happened in Megan's case says she's a young artist who can actually wrap and has amazing talent and she was twenty when she signed the contract? Like how many of us. We don't even know what's in our T. CONTRACT. We don't even know what in our comcast contract okay so we cannot be judging are saying you didn't read the terms correctly like we don't even read the own terms correctly. I don't even read all the terms correctly the time we're signing our lives away and we don't even know it you fill me so it's just it's an unfortunate situation because we need new music. I love making the stallion. I'm a huge fan of hers and every time she realizes music it's a banger. I love it and so she gave an update. 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What Were Watching: Let Them All Talk and Veronica Mars Keep Calm and Party On

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What Were Watching: Let Them All Talk and Veronica Mars Keep Calm and Party On

"Hello and welcome to round. Two of the parenting roundabout podcast. I'm terry moore. And i'm here with catherine calico. Hello usually on this podcast. Talk about parenting issues. But once a week. Catherine i like to get together to discuss tv movies books and other entertainment topics. Because it's nice to talk about something other than parenting for a change. This week we continued with the fourth season of veronica mars. We just can't help ourselves and we watched the movie. Let them all talk. Starring meryl streep candice bergen and diane waste and directed and filmed and edited by steven soderbergh under his various aliases And i think it came out at the very end of twenty twenty and it's failed but we watched on. Hbo max right while. I watched it on an airplane. But oh that's right. It's one of those was in theaters but also at the same time online. It works perfectly fine online I wanted to watch it. I wanted to watch it since i saw it. Come out and so. I'm the reason we did this. And after i watched it. I kinda thought to sniff thing took up an hour and fifty minutes or so of my time nice to see those actresses working you go. Girls nice especially candice bergen. Yeah i have. I laughed many times at canvas. Bergen yes she a lot of fun she had. She had herself an enjoyable meal out of that part. And honestly if somebody had said hey sit down for an hour and a half plus in just look at the queen mary. Two isn't it gorgeous. I might have said yes and bender. So i made it was it was partly like just a travelogue of them on the ship. Incredibly luxurious gorge. This ship i mean when she when i go on the ship and meryl streep's character who's very well off and is as invited her friends. Who are not into this ridiculously luxurious trip. And she goes into her state room. And it's like two stories with a grand staircase in the middle. I thought oh the joke here is going to be that. Her two friends are going to be in little tiny stay rooms with beds. Fold over the toilet so beautiful too. It's like i feel bad for you. Did you just have one floor courtroom. The whole thing was just beautiful. Yes it's nice to have money and you also got like behind the scenes you know you're gonna cruise ship. Here's some of the you know. Way below decks People working carding laundry around whatever. Whatever it is dislike lots of lead to that kind of Almost documentary style. Ha which i guess is because they really just like boarded the ship and brought some cameras film stuff they want to imagine. You're on this ship. And they said oh by the way meryl streep is going to be filming a movie. While we're here with steven soderbergh. If you see a cameron don't want to be in the background. Just go someplace else. Although they're also rich. I i can't imagine how much passage must be up. Yeah so it was. It was extremely enjoyable visually just to look at all the backgrounds. That things were being done in front of and you know. I'm there to see three veteran. Actresses of improvised dialogue. And try to make. It seem like there's something actually going on here Play a lot of board games. Yeah yeah and and were delightful to watch I guess it's sort of thing where they say the voyages the destination because there was really no there there anywhere in this movie it was just sort of about. Just relax and enjoy the voyage. Look at the pretty things. Look the clever people. Just relax and say no in then will give you one Crazy clare twist at the end just so you feel like i watched a movie travel video. I mean i think if it had just stopped i would have thought what was that but then the ending they put on and i was still. I mean it's and i googled afterwards. You know basically you let them all talk ending wti off and didn't find anybody giving me any sort of explanation. It seemed like they hinted a whole bunch of times that it might have been like poisoning that somebody was gonna poison somebody and then somebody dies in so well is that must be at. but then there's no further indication either. I certainly never noticed that will the murder. The the the the. Oh the all the novelist yet. Something like poison would be a terrible way to kill somebody very painful or whatever and you know i think they showed candice. Bergen gone and then later dianne wiest was talking about this special poison that she knows about and gray. Sara murray like run of the mill to me but the mystery novelist was like oh interesting right. Now i did not do research buydell I thought that that was all in the service of writing books. Like i think that that was related tenant except that wind end similarly turns up suddenly dead. One thinks back on that and thinks. Oh but no. I just thought the reason that they gave for the person dying was yes. Aleve -able so right but kind of it's like it's like they're always talking about on the veronica mars investigations. Podcast checkoffs blank. If you're going to have checkoffs talking about poisoning and then somebody dies right. You sort of expect that there's going to be some mystery involved I mean i did like that. They cleared up the what the guy who is always coming out her state room in the morning doing Because i hadn't thought of that I was pretty sure it wasn't with the nephew. Thought but i was a somebody writing books for her. Is there some financial thing going on and So it was so so anything that looked like it might have intrigue involved just pretty much about look at the pretty places. The beautiful ball. Let's go look at the ocean a casino as there's so You know. I don't resent the the piece of my life. I spent watching it but You know aga it's it's sir. I bet they had a great time. Oh i bet they just had. I bet that was the funniest and so good for them. I will this art. I one article. I found in googling around about it started with i'm going to have to have to Abbreviate a curse here for our family friendly podcast. But this is an article from a website called alternate ending. And it's by tim brighton and he starts his review of this movie by saying let them all talk is what happens when multiple people who don't have to prove a. Gd thing to you or me or anyone else all get together and don't prove it together. And i think that's so. I'll so y'all go. That was i was very pretty movie to watch and doesn't take up any space in my brain now afterwards. There's something to be said for that as well and would that i could say the same veronica mars which takes up altogether too much space in my brain it does. It doesn't dissolve quite as quickly although this season. tastes great lists failings So we watched season four episode. Three keep calm and party on where it appeared that they found the bomber. But no because the season's not over yet so we trained veronica mars. Although i guess they've they've resolved things that the college here. They resolved many things in the middle season. Yeah that's true. So but no in this case the bomber continues to bomb The the Head chopping off guys. Were going to take a break from head chopping off. But now i guess they got to go back to it dan. You know but you know like a barbecue season and collecting money to kill other people in now. They have to go back to finding the bomber. And i think they said this on investigations like they could have just used the i head. They got and gone back to mexico. Like ready to the guy did not care and he wasn't gonna know you know whether they got the right person or not so now. Probably his annoying ex-wife would say hey there was just another bomb. This isn't the right head fry back so you know they might as well just stick around to for awhile plenty of business and plus now the now the one Likes weevils sister so did not see that coming would prefer it had not. We've all wake up. Yes he does just from the tattoo. Yep they are. They are in the business of dangling tantalizing small appearances by our favorites from the original show but for such a short period of time. We get wallace in the background in the volleyball scene. And we get. We will for a minute and a half at a barbecue setting up. Something probably alternately result in his peril yes so or at least his displeasure. That's true. well that's fine. You can be displeased. That's just nobody. Hurt him or his sister. I suppose she seems nice. Yeah i'm not sure what this guy who like. I don't like his haircuts for to do to go around killing people. They seem pretty chill honestly. Yeah they do they do. They seem like they could be a good time until it comes time to remove your head but until then i mean you know. They could adjust. They could just cut off the head of the congressman while he was tied up there with the rooms but no they rescued him briefly Took on a side job. Yes absolutely show so so dick. Junior is king of spring break at the same time. The dick senior is trying to rise tribe to rid of it. Interesting conflict of interest among. I guess the casablanca's play both sides of the streets who either way they're fine but Don't know how i feel about veronica and the whole ecstasy thing. Yeah old lady. Terry does not approve. Well she did have to suffer. She did that's true but And keith enjoy it very much. Seated was very hung over the next day he didn't know about the ecstasy. He did know that she yes. Overindulged effects the next day. Yes oh well. I guess the girl's gonna have her fun where she can and now keith is like friends with clyde yet case simmons well maybe not friends but he's no. I would love for them to be friends. It's pretty clear the clydes up to no good and that this will not end well for keith. But keith could use a body. And clyde seems like a lot of fun when he's not probably blowing things up so you know i can't trust him but i want to while especially when he is talking about how annoying. Oh he's fun. What a fun character he is. Yeah i don't trust him as far as i can throw him. Still right you know could do. You could do worse with your villains. In in neptune you know on the on the villainous scale from fitzpatrick. Well no. I think. I think tawny is at her name I think tony's family is actually below the fitzpatrick's on the scale which you gotta work together. Yeah that's hard to do. You got to want it you know. But from from that the fitzpatrick's end all the way to who's been a charming villain. Let's say to. All the way to clyde clydes appear charming villain. You know he's gonna be bad but he's very enjoyable. What did you think of the whole. Yuck yuck yuck a crime. True crime people being all over the leaking case still. Yeah i mean that was like we don't need to go. It was like y'all bomber over here over here especially lindley swallowed lease at least two got kind of his comeuppance. I guess the he now. All of his murder head fronts are like okay clearly. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Goodbye they're ahead of their time with their like zoom hybrid meeting. Yeah yeah. I mean i can see that in real life something like the lilly kane case would would sustain folks like that who want to come up with conspiracies and all but we know who did it. He's dead. let's move on shall we. Don't be disrespecting keith by this other garbage or anyway they were. They were positing on the braga. Mars investigations podcast without knowing helen. Helen's case what the actual situation is in the end that perhaps Pizza guy is indeed the bomber. And you would make me happy. If that was the case him. I would enjoy hating him. I see no no. He's he's above the fitzpatrick's but not real far so he can be a bad guy. He can accidentally blow himself up. A okay with me. Please let him turn out to be evil. The only thing is that maddie likes him and trusts them. But that assumes that we like entrust your which all right she's junior veronica so had well we can feel feel bad for because she lost her. Have yeah i think this this show has a history of you know having people that we well i don't know if like entrust exactly but i don't think you can necessarily assume that somebody's okay just because somebody likes them. Yeah it would be a good twist for her to point out that he just seems too full of himself will but to be. He just seems like a boot. What's a nice way to say that for family my son. He's just more of like a hanger on seems like too much of a doofus. Yeah and he's sort of fun. I do not put it past the showed make Person that be an act. But clyde please turn out not be able i mean. Obviously you're evil but less you. I don't know i enjoy him. Yeah and plus you know. Jk simmons yes. Yes i think the. Jk simmons's simmons. None of it all is what makes clydes likeable. I'm not sure different aguilar in that role. I think it's just you see that dude and you go. Oh no a bright. I've enjoyed him another things. Join him in those farmers insurance commercials. Yeah juno down yeah anyway. He's an enjoyable presence yet. One whether he turns out to be good for good or for evil takes out some fitzpatrick's along the way anyway yes quiz. And maybe if a if a dixie neur- does enough annoying things clyde you can feel free dispatch him to would not hold it against you man. I think he's just doing it by you know slicing him for money. Yeah yeah. I guess he is kinda the gravy train so you might as well ride on it for a while and boy. Does this serve as a nice ties. -ment for concierge medicine man. If that's what it's all about yes please. But also. I don't think that's how it works like you. Just say oh. Can you see my friends like somebody is paying for key. Yes the and i guess. It's big dick without his knowledge which will be trouble. Yeah i mean. Clyde just can't be like well i'm gonna use my serve my plan For you to see heath as well they'll answer you did it under you know. He put it on big dicks. Tap is his ages. But i i mean if they turn out Dick senior and clyde. Turn out to be the bad guys right keith. Having a you know benefited from their largest may be a problem. Yes but in the meantime pipe does pop those headphones in man and get into that. Nice joy that mr hope. There's not an earthquake and then steadily you hear songs everywhere but You know if there is a season free of three of zoysia extraordinary playlist and they want to throw keys. Keith mars in there too. I that will make watch and watch how well speaking of would watch next week. We will discuss veronica mars season. Four episode four called heads. You lose another decapitated. Oh goodness i guess say decapitated. Why does the congressman's mother's still have a head on her shoulders or standard. I am ready for her to go for sure and We're excited for the return of making it. A crafty competition show hosted by. Amy poehler and nick offerman. That is premiering on thursday. June twenty fourth. So we will be watching it on thursdays and talking about it on tuesdays and unjust. I know it's hard for you. Oughta wait but and that's going to be it for around two today. Please subscribe to our parenting roundabout podcast. So you won't miss any of our episodes. 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Viola Davis: Essentials

Pop Culture Happy Hour

19:45 min | 4 months ago

Viola Davis: Essentials

"This episode contains language. some people might find offensive. These days by davis's name is rarely far from award season chatter and this year is no different. The highly decorated performer received her fourth oscar nomination for her role and ma rainey's black bottom and could become the first black woman to nab to acting oscars. She worked hard to get to this point popping up in small roles early on and everything from ocean's eleven to get richer die trying a pivotal supporting role in the two thousand. Eight doubt. Really put her on the map and now she's achieved leading lady status in both film and tv creating some indelible characters along the way i'm glen wilton and i'm asia harris and today we're talking about some of davis's essential performances on pop culture. Happy hour from npr. So don't go away. This message comes from npr sponsor. Mini cooper mini cooper invites you to explore the newly redesigned twenty twenty two many. It's the most exciting model year yet. You can decide whether you'd like a two door. Four door or convertible model then choose from an array of bold new painkillers and interior. Finishes no matter. What you're into every detail is customizable just the way you want it behind the wheel of the mini. We may all be different. But we're pretty good together. Visit many usa dot com to explore the full twenty twenty. Two lineup welcome back. You just met glen also. Joining us is e alex cheung features writer for new york mag and vulture. Welcome alex i. It's great to have you here to talk about viola. I'm so excited to hear your picks but first a little bit of background viola. When she won her first oscar for best supporting actress for fences and twenty seventeen. She became the first black person to win the so so-called triple crown of acting a competitive advantage emmy and tony award because of this in how omnipresent she's been over the last decade including her turn in the blockbuster period piece the help and as the shady complicated lawyer least keating in the long running series how to get away with murder. It might be easy to forget that. She has more than paid her dues to get where she's at. Now she graduated from juilliard in nineteen ninety-three and bounce between theater and screen throughout the rest of that decade by the early offs. She'd become a reliable supporting actor. Popping up in steven soderbergh movies like solaris and playing rations on the mom rule or the urban professional. She spoken candidly about how being dark skinned. Black woman has impacted her career like in this interview. She did with tina brown in twenty eighteen. I have a career that's probably comparable to meryl streep julianne moore. Let's sigourney weaver. They all came out of jail. They came out of juilliard. They came on nyu. They had the same path as me and yet i am nowhere near them. Not as far as money not as far as job opportunities. Nowhere close to it. But even when she's taken on roles one might consider to be less than worthy of her talents. She's always done the work. And that's what we're going to discuss in this episode as we examined three key performances from her career. These aren't all necessarily her biggest or most well known characters but they're essential to understanding what makes her such a force onscreen so before we dig into these three specific performances. I love to get your takes. Just initial thoughts on by as a whole glenn. Why don't we start with you. Well the word. I keep coming back to is intelligence. And it's a very specific species of intelligence. It's grounded Slightly world-weary intelligence that comes out of self awareness and self knowledge now. Look she's a great actor. I'm sure she could play someone really silly or flighty or self deluded. But that's not what you go. Viola davis for Whoever she's playing sees the world around her as it is iranian a perfect example of that. And that'll add layers to any performance but on a show like how to get away with murder which makes her do and say some very over the top ridiculous things. None of that show works. If you don't have viola davis planted there with both feet grounding that show and that's how a line like why is he a penis on it. Did girls phone is a great line woodland no matter who said it when she says it. It's iconic that is a classic line. I'm so glad you got that. And i completely agree glenn alex out you especially that line as another line that we'll talk about in widows. There are certain lines that it feels like only she can say and she can pull it off because she has obviously a lot of words at are thrown around the gravitas or the pool to make you pay attention to give something and under girding of seriousness to however ridiculous or operatic robot the actual proceedings may be. What's been interesting to see for me. Has been the ways in which her role choices as of late have been in some ways coinciding with a public persona as well around trying to take power and trying to make space for herself in hollywood that has historically dismissed her and i think that that has been kind of like interesting tension both in terms of what she's taking And then how those roles play out against the backdrop of the industry. Yeah i think that's a great point and it's a great segue into the first choice that we have here which is mine and it is far from heaven now. You might have forgotten that she was in this movie She has a very small role If you haven't been in a while or you don't remember that well. It is the todd haynes film from two thousand and two it is Basically in a mogae very very explicit. Oh my gosh to the douglas. Sirk melodramas of the nineteen fifties specifically imitation of life. and all that heaven allows and stars. Julianne moore and dennis quaid as a nineteen fifty suburban couple with a lot of secrets between them and viola. Davis plays sybil their housekeeper. Now this is a very very small role. It's a role that i think. If you're not really paying attention to its it can easily pass she by. You can cast it off as a very insignificant moment in viola davis career. But i think having watched it and watching it very closely. There's a lot that she does. That is so subtle and small and takes this. What could have been stereotypical role of the made in the two thousands of all places and really adds gravitas. As you mentioned. alex. I think is part of what is so interesting about it. We also know that simple is always privy to. What's going on because she's always there. She's taking care of their children. Most of this is done not by dialogue. But by the way in which davis you know cast a glance exchanges glances with other black characters in the film and i think it really works well in this a to the douglas sirk phones because so much of it is subtext. And then at some point it becomes taxed by the end of this film. A pivotal moment. Where davis davis's character tells julianne moore something that she knew and i think it's just a really smart performance and there's a moment towards the end. Where after the julia more character and The dentist character have to force or are getting a divorce where they have this exchange between each other and let's take a little listen to this clip civil. You'll need to do that. I know it's friday but there's so much to be done now. I can hardly expect to be polishing tables reason not to keep things no reason at all. Don't forget the grocery lists thank you on her side. So if you hear that part julianne moore says. I don't know how on earth ever managed and she likes stops herself halfway because she catches a glance of viola davis. And it's like well. I know how you manage. Because i've been here the whole time lady like i'm doing all the work and so i really love just the way in which even with a small role she gives all of this emotion and thoughts and make sure the main character is smarter than the white characters around her think she is and it's kind of a nice also precursor role in the help a few years later which you couldn't pay me to re watch that movie. There are a lot of like undertones from that And there's like a line between that and the help in which i actually think that her character is treated with a little bit more dignity here than she is in the help Glenn and alex. I don't know how recently you've rewatch the film. But how do you feel about her role in this movie. Will you pick that because yes it's a small part but it underscores it kinda breaks. Open that film a weird way because of course it is as you say no majd. Douglas sirk melodrama and is a very stylized kind of acting that he kind of has people go into and uses. The measles saw uses the lighting of the costumes of that. The very specific genre and has viola davis undercut that by acting more naturalistic than melodrama typically does. So she's standing out even in such a small part i mean. I haven't seen the film in many many years probably over a decade. But i do remember some withering glances from the news and i was trying to before this conversation like look for them but of course no one has done like a proper super cut of this so i beseech the internet to at least do this work and i do remember them. You know like i. I remember them very clearly because it does puncture the world that they've created right this fragile fictional idea of perfect white suburban life right like it's very important that she exists to poke holes in that even if it's ever so slightly and subtly yeah well onto our next performance which is a few years later and glen. This was your choice at tell us about doubt. Yeah this is another very small parts probably about ten minutes of screen. Time out of the whole film doubt is two thousand eight film Written and directed by john patrick shanley based on his play. It set at a catholic school in the bronx and it centers on a none Played by meryl streep grow suspicious when a priest begins taking what she perceives to be too much of an interest in the life of a young black student Who is the school's only black student And we mentioned at the top. It's a breakout role and look. It's a very well written part but there's no guarantee you would make any impression at all because you're still acting against meryl streep in the scene that you get and again. You're only unscreened for ten minutes so in this scene. The none played by meryl streep confronts. Viola davis is character. Mrs miller who is the mother of the boy in question With her suspicions. Excuse me but you don't know enough about life to say this enough. You know the rules. Maybe but that don't cover. I know what. I won't ex. You accept what you got. Accept any work with this man is in my scores. He's gotta be somewhere. Maybe doing some good to maybe some of them boys want to get caught now. I didn't click that moment for the way her voice rises at the end there. I clipped it because of the way. She delivers the lions. You don't know enough about life and you know the rules may be. I love that because that breaks in this character It delineates her character. And really smart way. You can see that. Mrs miller throughout the entire scene is just silently appraising streep's character trying to gauge. What she can and can't say what she will and won't say to her and for most of the film we've been kind of seeing this whole thing happened through streep's character's is and this shifts it because now we see this. School is mrs miller's son. Her only his only chance to make a better life for himself and she sees this none with the potential to destroy it based on only suspicions right. That's all she has. She sees a nun who doesn't live in the world. Who doesn't know all. The kind of tiny moral bargains are forced to make every day and in the seen over the course of it. She starts to see that future that she's idealized for his son kind of vehicle rising in front of rise and the thing that everyone mentions about. This scene is that when viola davis starts to tear up later on. Her nose starts to run and she doesn't do anything about it. But that isn't why you remember it. It is only the outward manifestation of this aching paralyzing sadness that she is portraying in this scene and the very complicated moral calculus that the characters performing in that scene and it is just just leaps off the screen. Yeah i do remember. There's a lot of chatter about that news reading and to me. It reminded me a lot of the conversation around denzel's tear in glory. Where it's just like. He had the single tears. She had the single snot but like again. Both of those performances are about me than that ability to conjure up. You know bodily fluids for lack of a better word. It's about the understanding of the character and the way it's very clear to the audience that the actor understands the character as well. It's incredible how in a seven-minute scene she packs a whole lifetime. You know and you like feel it in every little line. I remember one of the lines was where she just says. Then maybe there's nothing to it and she just kind of size and there's just like this feeling of you know as you said before this world weariness to the character you can feel the weight of how much she's gone through and what she's focused on in this Setting and what. She needs to happen for her son and so even though she's only onscreen for not that long you feel dislike full human being just like rattling you know and it's so good even listening to that clip. I was like moved again. You know. I remember when this was her first oscar nomination and she only appears in one other scene. I believe in the whole film and that seems she doesn't even speak anything so like it was clear that this is going to be the oscar. Clip that the us. I also know that like from now on any time. There's a retrospective of viola davis performances. That's going to be. It has to be in there. There's there's no choice that in weiser pena's on deadman's so alex. What did you bring for us in our final key davis performance so i went with a leading lady performance. I picked widows a by steve mcqueen from two thousand eighteen. Who you know as you might expect from the director who made hunger shame. And twelve years a slave. It is not your typical heist film. Basically via a woman named veronica. Who is the wife of a very successful crime boss. He dies during a job and two million dollars vanish with it and the people who had that two million dollars stolen from them one it back and they want it back from her. So in order to sort of pay the bills she rounds up the other widows from the heist Including elizabeth and michelle rodriguez and they form a team. That also includes cynthia revealed later. We got to start thinking like professionals win business together. There's gonna be some cozy reunion after this job done. We have three days to look and move like a team of men. The best thing we have going for us as being we are why because no one thinks we have a balsa. Pull this off you know. That's another line. Yup that could easily easily slide into ridiculousness right in anyone else's mouth but you need a kind of commitment. You need a planetary force of character to sort of say it and for it to land into theater when you're watching it and obviously reminds me of like why is your penis on the girls phone But i did sort of feel like widows was the peak performance or the best performance of this kind of violence. Archetype that i think we all kind of started to become familiar with because of how to get away with murder and later on twitter Of dislike incredibly tough highly competent woman. Who hasn't like deep trauma needs more forces together and like sort of get out of this impossible situation right and i feel like in the tv. Show it kind of like veered into camp at times. Whereas i think in at least in the hands of cpa queen there's a little more artful nece to the calibration of her performance. But but even you know like i love widows one hundred percent but you don't have a lot of her character in terms of the dialogue in terms of really knowing where she's from or what her relationship chicago is and i sort of felt like like those things you kind of just like patch over a little bit because she's so good and she's like this force in the film that can just kind of keep it going the course of two hours. You know absolutely. I you know for this conversation. I rewarded it for the first time. Since it originally came out and boy i think it holds up so well in so many ways and even once you know all the twists like. I still marvel at the twists and the way they unravel. And she's a key part of that and her experiencing this sort of cushy life as a wife in a nice little penthouse and never having to really do anything. I think we get little glimpses of who she is like. She works as a teacher or she was like a part of a teacher's union. Or something on those lines but And so her work was clearly being funded by illegal happenings and whatever but knowing those little things in those details about her is just really really fascinating and again. I can't stress enough the fact that ten years ago a movie like widows probably wouldn't have been made because black women weren't getting those types of roles you know. It took her so long to get to where she is now. But it's great to see that she is still doing so well there. I was watching an interview with and she talked about how even though she's won these awards. She doesn't quite feel comfortable like she's not like resting on her laurel. She's like for me the only thing that get begets. More work is work. Not awards awards absolutely wonderful and nice but for me at the end of the day. It's worked begets work. And she's like as long as i keep getting the rules. I know this world is fickle. I'm just going to keep doing the best that i can. And that sort of perseverance as every single role she plays just like you were saying. It looks like you can see the similarities. Between the character she played and then her public persona as well so all three of those films are available to stream. You can rent or buy both far from heaven and widows and doubt is streaming on. Hbo max and we want to know about your favorite viola davis performances. You can find us at facebook dot com slash pch and on twitter at p. c. h. h and that brings us to the end of our show. Thank you both for being here. Thank you so much for having me and of course thank you for listening to pop culture. Happy hour from npr. If you have a second and you're so inclined please subscribe to our newsletter at npr dot org slash pop culture newsletter. 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The Devil Wears Prada

Screen Dive

37:48 min | 2 years ago

The Devil Wears Prada

"You go to your closet, and you select that lumpy blue sweater, for instance, because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that that's what it is not just blew. It's not turquoise. It's not lapis. It's actually surreal, Ian. They say a film is only as good as it's Fillon, but villains don't have to be monsters murderers. Sometimes all they have to do is make you think twice about ever wearing a Sarah Lian sweater. From Twentieth Century Fox, this is screen dive a show that takes a deeper dive into your favorite movies. I'm your host, Anna, then Belan. Today's episode. We're diving into a movie that gave us one of the most feared and fabulous. Villains of all time. The devil wears problem. The titular devil in the devil. Wears product is Miranda priestly, the exquisitely quaffed viciously efficient and of fashion played to perfection by Meryl Streep Miranda is one of the most iconic villains of all time. She's right up there with Darth Vader and jaws at least, according to the internet now, the leader of the dark side and rampaging shark obvious villains. But Miranda is different she's complicated crafty, and we'd almost rather face thousands of razor sharp teeth and gotta that's all she's a character. We love to hate. Why are we so drawn to villains? Why did we left Hans Gruber as much as we love John MacLean or Hannibal Lecter as much as Clarice Starling? I mean, they're the bad guys. Aren't they? That's what we're getting curious about today. What makes a great villain and why we loved them so much. We sat down with the devil wears product director, David Frankel and screenwriter. Aline brush McKenna for this episode. And even with run a dozen years. They remember making this coming of age classic together. They wrapped filming yesterday. We're also going to hear from Corey Sullivan. An NYU professor who teaches an entire course on villains. And we'll talk to Celia Harvey an executive an advocate for women in finance technology about the dynamics of women in the workplace. By the time the screenplay out of tation, Lauren Weiss, burgers, worldwide bestseller, the devil. Wears Prada came across David Franken's desk. He was already a success by any definition. He'd won an Oscar for best short film in nineteen ninety seven for a film called dear diary, and then got in on the ground floor of the golden age of television, even winning directing EMMY for HBO band of brothers. All that was great. But he wanted to shift his focus to feature films determined to get back into making movies. And so I said, okay, not gonna TV for while. And based on that body of work was put forward so director for the devil worst product by producer, Wendy feinerman, and she had to fight very hard. They were very resistant to someone who's the bulk of my work for the previous five or six years had been television. Getting put forward to direct a feature was exactly what David wanted. But when he read the screenplay for the devil wears Prada. He just didn't connect to it. He already had a call scheduled with Wendy feinerman, but didn't wanna get on the phone and fake it. So I call my manager Rowsley Swerdlow, I said had little kids at the time. I said, you know, we have a babysitting problem. I can't get on the phone and I build on the phone call but bailing on Wendy's called didn't deter and when David confessed to his manager. Why he was dragging his feet. She's taught him one of the most important lessons of his career. She said, this is what you're acting is you see a spark in something that inspires you. And then it's your job to turn into something gray. And she completely reoriented. My thinking about it, David did see a spark but wanted to take the film in a new direction. He wanted to move away from the revenge story line that was in the book and show the fashion industry and the women working in it and flattering light. I wanna make a movie that celebrates the people who do something. Excellent. And that reverberates. Through the culture and that hit this guy. Steph every month, and I really wanted to celebrate the women in my life. You know, my wife my sister. My mom all been really successful working women. Also was reflection of my own ambivalence. About the sacrifice in Snead's to be excellent to create something, you know, like the very things that make somebody great might be the very things that we don't like so much about them personally. But isn't it great that there are these people who are extraordinary, and do we really want everyone to be nice and nothing to be extrordinary will their schilling a little florals right now. So I was thinking like morals for spring groundbreaking. So it was that, you know, yin and Yang thing that I was keen to explore in the movie, and anyway, so I went into studio few weeks later, and I pitched my vision of the movie to Elizabeth Gabler and Carla hack and the executives Erin, Elizabeth was fantastic. I mean, she identified a lot with both characters in in the movie. She runs a studio. She also had been Andy in a previous life. So she was totally got my take. Now, they just needed to find someone to write a new script for the version. David wanted to direct. He made a suggestion to four writers up to that point all been men. And I said me be it's time to try a woman and have someone who's writing from a very very personal point of view and Carla hacking was the vice President Fox two thousand then suggested a lean I chase. This job, really hard. I had a meeting with this gentleman who worked for Wendy feinerman who was her development person. And he was asking me what things I wanted to write and the Devil Rays product book was on his coffee table. And I actually had not read it yet. I had just seen the cover and read the inside flap at a bookstore, and I pointed it, and I said that I wanna do that. And so. So I don't know quite what possessed me, but I went bought the book, I read it, and I call my agent, I said, I know they had a writer, but I wanna do that a persisted and got to know the executives at the studio through other projects. So that when David was on board and one of the new script, she was the one they called. But even though she'd scored this meeting with David she still didn't wanna get her hopes up. So my expectations were very low because I didn't know David. I'd never met him. And he was a big TV director. And I just assumed that he knew millions of writers, and he was going to be bringing in someone. He knew the great thing about that was I was able to just go in swinging and say whatever I wanted to say and really give my take on the material without really even thinking I had a shot at the job. David is a very stoic kind of quiet laconic, gentlemen. And I thought oh, well, I clearly have no shot. So then we went into the room, and I just pitched my heart out. And he's again, he's very quiet. He did not respond. He barely asked. He questions. So I called my agent, and I said not only did I not get that job at. He doesn't like me. David remembers it differently. We met and really connected instantly. Celine? Set off to write the script. And even after filming started. She kept on writing every night. Whether I was onset or not onset. I would read the scenes for the next day and send him alz, which is like not required not part of the process, but I would read the scene and make sure it was the best scene possible. And then sent him other ideas for lines. I mean, I was the most overbearingly eager whippersnapper young assistant possible. And you know, while it led to some great things. I'm sure it was also quite irritating. Sounds a little bit like Andy, it was like Andy, except it was something I really cared about as a lean wrote the movie, she only had one actress in mind from Aranda, but had to write it knowing anyone could be cast it worked on it for a long time before I knew it was Merrill. I think we always hoped dream that it would be her. But we. Weren't sure. And there were a bunch of moments. Where said today, you know will need a line here, unless it's Maryland, which case we will need a line, then she got a call. So I remember where I was I was up on Larchmont boulevard walking on the street and David call me, and he said Merrill, read the script and she likes it. And she wants to meet with me. And I sat I was so shocked that I sat on the curb 'cause I knew that the second she met David, but she was going to want to do the movie because he's so intelligent so impressive. Such great spokesman for the script 'cause we had worked on it so closely together, she was right, then Merrill, signed on and I flew to New York from L A and David came up for Miami. And when he finally came out from LA Alto, and we sat with Merrill in her. What was then her townhouse in New York for about five or six hours, and I would say ninety five percent of the conversation was me and Merrill with her just saying like, the smartest things about. The script that you can imagine. And she is the least vein actor she's a tremendous interpreter of tax to Severi deep profound understanding of like what we were trying to do. And where it fell short where it could improve. She would give notes to lean on what she wants what she didn't. You know, the stuff that she found superficial got taken out. She understood what was essential to the plot Merrill, really put a protective arm around me. Whether she knew she was doing that or not because once she attach yourself to that draft. She made it clear that she was happy with my work. So the dream team of David Aline and Merrill was joined by co-stars Stanley Tucci as Nigel Miranda's loyal first, Lieutenant Emily blunt in her breakout role as maranda senior assistant, and of course, Ann Hathaway as Andy our young brilliant and clueless heroin. She's in a meeting message. Oh kay. Can you? Please spunk. Bonna? Hello. Legendary costume designer Patricia field dressed them in hundreds of outfits and got an Academy Award nomination for it Merrill was nominated to of course, her fourteenth. But who's counting the film made over three hundred twenty five million dollars worldwide to call it a hit would be an understatement and Miranda priestly entered the pantheon of movie villains, which brings us back to the question. We're exploring in this episode. How do you make a great villain? David would say to me, you know, this is called the devil wears Prada. Not the not so nice lady. Exactly Marandus demands are insane. She wants a well done steak in fifteen minutes from a restaurant that isn't even open yet. She wants a flight out of Miami in a hurricane. She wants the manuscript for the next Harry Potter book before it's even published even if there are things we love about her this movie only works if the audience believes that working maranda priestly would be pure hell. In order to really dig into the specifics villainy I called an expert. That's right. An expert on villains. My name's Corey Sullivan, professor at New York University by teach Peter studies and film Corey teaches an entire course on one of his favorite subjects might entry point into teaching was actually the study of villains NYU came to me and asked me what kind of class I would want to teach in. I proposed ideas. I thought they would want to hear. And then a friend of mine said to me if you absolutely anything in the world. What would you teach? I said well what villains? I wanted to know who his favorite movie villains were one of the all time greats Hannibal Lecter silence of the lambs. That's an amazing one for me. This actually Meryl Streep in devil wears product is one of the great villains of the decade and of film history. I think I swear it until him say that. I ask for his take on what makes a character more than an antagonistic more than just a bad guy. But a villain Correy says it's all about the layers the difference between a villain and bad guy is for me is that a great villain has a kind of depth that you can almost relate to and understand or the very least appreciate if the the villain has no depth to me that, you know, you're just a glorified henchman. Will I should we why should we care? But it's those almost Iago type villains that at least you can appreciate the craftiness the virtuosity of their villainy, and those are the ones that really stand out. Okay. But they always crossed the line. That's what makes them villains. So why are we so drawn to them with the core of it is that they're just more fun. People are drawn to the characters 'cause they like rooting for this this dark side and that. It's almost like a part of themselves that they don't want quite admit up to just for a moment to fantasize about what if you took on this darker side, what if you gave into temptation, what if you just threw away your virtue, and let yourself become a villain for a moment. And it's that experience that so fun and the ideas by the end of the play or the end of the narrative experienced the villain has crossed the line. And you begin to root for the hero again and the hero comes out on top. But you've had that brief experience giving into the villain. Corey recognized her villainy from the very first time. He saw the film. I remember particularly hearing the buzz about this performance. Honestly being a little hesitant about the John Rao? Like, okay, it's not my thing. But it'll be there Meryl's there'll be there, but just being astounded by the. Title tea with which she approached the character. And the it's the I can't think of a part in film history. Where people were so thrilled by the minimalism of a villain before any character were just people were thrilled to watch someone lifting eyebrow our purse their lips he remembers being struck by Miranda's power before she even appears on camera. Everyone gird your loins. It's one of the great entrances that that build up to her first lines there in the hallway she gets the phone call the car arrived. She comes up to the elevator into burst onto the scene in that hallway just this barrage of of language at this, poor overwhelmed assistance. I don't understand why it's difficult to confirm the point signed. I actually think continuous of your incompetence. Do not interest me Porandar is different from other villains. She doesn't have super powers or an army of goons. So what does she have maranda a huge part of why she is perceived as villain is the power. She wields over everyone. She has what's delicious about her is how efficient she is. With the the way to show. The most power is to put in the least effort in that way that you have to lean in to to listen to her and you never have her full attention. I love that. I interview Brenda has with n d you know, she's reading the New York Post, and it takes one glimpse up from the New York Post for her to make her decision. And it's it's that efficiency that she operates with that displays that great power. She has over every. Scene, and you have no style or some fashion. Well. Think that depends on what you're. Was new question. I thought about what Corey said about a villain representing something inside us that we don't want to acknowledge and what Miranda could represent. I mean, don't we always we could be as ruthless as she is sometimes to give into MVP to always have the perfect one liner and outfit part of Andy definitely does Corey explains. That's exactly what makes maranda villain in this story. She represents everything that Andy afraid of in herself. She's Andy's dark side. What Morente represents is this ultimate success this ultimate ambition and almost like selfishness in a certain way. But she's just everything that the protagonist is afraid of. And it's that's that's what makes her great. That's part of the genius of the performances that how how right maranda priestly is in so many ways. I mean there we all need to. To develop a certain like Miranda priestly inside of us. If we if we want to succeed and just a matter of whether you take it to the level that Miranda. Does you know, it's something that's looked down upon by the protagonist this this blind ambition as she sees it. I wanted to get a lean and David's take on. This turns out they summer Enda differently. I never saw her as a villain. I don't think David Diddy there for me, you know, Miranda's the heroine of the movie not the villain. I see her as a working woman who is been held to a very high standard and a double standard. And consequently just gives no quarter to anyone who's in her way. Miranda is Mount Everest. That's the place. We all you know. She's the mountain we all wanna climb that was a leans metaphor. She's the one who has the nerve to be great. She's the one who has the nerve to say all that other stuff doesn't matter. She's the one who says. I want what I want when I want it. And that is how things get done in the world Corey doesn't necessarily disagree. I think the villain is really a matter of perspective and just in terms of how they relate to the protagonist and the best ones today and throw time could also be heroes within their own story. If you just flip the perspective, even if the creators didn't intend to make Miranda villain. That's how she's received. So why is she on the same list as bloodthirsty shark? I like to think in that context. The you know, why they why maranda gets lumped with the shark is fear. I think that villains inspire fear. I think the idea of menace is is much more powerful than, you know, just your actual chomping of on a leg. You know? I mean that's going to happen to one person. But the fear affects you know, you see in jaws, Amityville. You know, thousands of people I didn't go in ocean for three years after saw the movie the first time, that's the villain is in that. What's what makes villain is the fear that fear partially comes out of what Corey mentioned earlier, her efficiency? But it isn't meant to be cruel may not even be conscious. David says that's just what's necessary to achieve greatness. I think it's not consciously manipulative, and I'm not saying it's never conscious. But I think it's really in the moment. I like this. I don't like this. And then the idea of not making small talk comes from just a desire for fishing. You know, it's really exhausting. If you're in a high power job to constantly be nice, and to constantly have to remember people's names and to inquire after their significant others or remember their birthdays, or you know, just make any talk about the weather. I feel like we're lucky when people are extrordinary. Any screenwriting book will tell you that there are all kinds of villain architects. There's the mastermind the personification of evil the psychopath and one called the thority figure. That's maranda comes in. It's an archetype that's easy for audiences to relate to because. Well, we all have thirty figures in our lives, especially at work. And this is a movie about women's relationships in the workplace. So let's talk about women in the workplace and dynamic that is on full display and the offices of runway magazine Queen bee syndrome. My name is Celia Harvey. And I'm the founder and chair of tech women today I've worked over twenty years before doing my entrepeneurship thing I worked in in in banking. I worked in technology, many big companies and definitely rose within the ranks at those organizations, and one of the things that I experienced was Queen bee syndrome, where women just aren't very supportive. Other women in the workplace Queen bee syndrome is a dynamic where some women in high stress or male dominated workplaces are harsher on female subordinates. Cecilia who has written and spoken extensively about the subject says that in her research, she has found that seventy percent of women have experienced some form of Queen bee syndrome. It can be a result of scarcity a woman in an industry or company that hires very few women might feel the need to be territorial about her position. Cecilia says, it could also be behavior that's passed down Queen bee syndrome. It can be a situation where it is generational or it's learn behavior in that a lot of people a lot of women may feel you know, what I had to go through this. So you're gonna have to go through it too. I was pretty sure knew the answer. But I asked her if and how she saw Queen bee syndrome show up in the devil wears Prada. Miranda was definitely a Queen bee. You had like this fierce woman just walking through the doors every day where? Everybody was just completely afraid to talk to. I remember the first thing where the woman just got out of the elevator. Because she didn't want to be in the same elevator in disrespect Miranda. And I thought are you serious? But that really happens you can see where at first, you know, she doesn't even call Andy by her first name keeps calling Emily. And then she starts to call her. Andrea once Andy sort of earned her respect. So she's not she in maranda knows what she's doing and also perhaps she's trying to show. Emily, look, you know, you'd better stop it up here because he got some competition going here and probably trying to play both sides against one another in a way. But to Celia pointed out maranda is not the only one seeking Queen b status Emily for one relishes being harsh on Andy. It's almost like the right to bully came with her promotion to first assistant. I'm sorry. Jeff some pry commitment some hideous skirt convention you have to I think that the. Level whereas products, really great because it's kinda like Queen bee syndrome on steroids. And it shows all those nuances of Queen bee syndrome that people don't really pay attention to you know, one. The Queen beat does not necessarily have to be the most senior women Emily started to become a Queen bee. You know, she wanted to be assistant number one. And then Andy started to become a bit of acquaint be also or behavior started to change all of a sudden people are like who is this woman. But Andy catches herself before going too far down the Queen bee path. I love that scene where she's in Paris. And she doesn't go into shows with Miranda. She walks out. The phone starts ringing Miranda's on it. And she throws it into the fountain. And I think when she threw away that phone she's basically like taking our leash off Andy's relationship with Miranda was challenging to say the least. But what you have learned as much in. The course of this film. If her boss had been warm and fuzzy or even a different personnel together like say a guy. With the movie itself have worked. If Miranda were a man, I asked lean David what they thought there. No, I, you know, I think it wouldn't have. I don't think that a man tough boss wouldn't be considered the devil. I mean, my God, you know, is history of movies is littered with, you know, tough bosses men who are demanding that just seems normal. I don't think so because I don't I think that that particular kind of harness comes from years of having to behave certain way because the world is arrayed against you in a certain way Miranda's never gonna get herbs job for no good reason and Miranda's getting passed over kind of for no good reason, except maybe she's aging. So I think that you know, she has a certain set of obstacles all these elements create the layers that Corey told us make the difference between a forgettable Batty and a great villain. But there's one more layer. I want. To talk about one scene in particular that shows Miranda out as a boss or a celebrity, but as a regular human being with struggles, just like the rest of us Stephen isn't coming. Oh, Stephen is. So I don't need to. Stephen from the airport tomorrow. Well, if you speak to him, and he decides to rethink the divorce guess fetch away. Another divorce. Splashed across page six. Just imagine what they're gonna write about me. Dragon lady career obsessed. Snow Queen drives away another Mr Priestley Cecilia and Corey both pointed to the scene as being crucial to understanding. Miranda in terms of the complexities of Miranda. I think that the film did a great job of showing her different side. That's the beauty of this characters. It exposes the humanity of it and that beautiful scene in Paris where they talk about the divorce in you see these sacrifices. This woman is making it our prime concern is for her. How her she's balancing her career with the lives of her kids, and she doesn't want to have this negative impact on her kids life? And if you think of how her life is split across a page six and the cruelty she withstands to achieve this success. And how else is she supposed to react to it? Right. That a lean makes clear maranda may have needed to vent to someone. But this scene does not mean she and Andy are. Besties what I love about the way that scene ended up is that anything she's having a moment of connection to this woman. But Miranda's just talking to herself she might as well be talking to an eggplant. She's just having this terrible experience of having been left again and trying to figure out what that's gonna mean for her children. She's not at all trying to connect to Andy. I think she's even forgotten that she sitting there really could you could swap in any assistant. So it wasn't really meant to humanize her. It doesn't lead to her Andy like grabbing hairbrushes and singing ain't no mountain high enough it really lives in the world of Andy getting to see that maranda has more depth to her than she imagined just in terms of like having feelings, it's one of the things I love about the movie, which is literally she Morad. It could be talking to a soccer ball. She doesn't care that. It's Andy I wanted Corey to clarify one more thing something that might explain why there's a debate as to whether Miranda is actually a villain or not we think of traditional villain as someone trying to. Undermine our hero. But is that always the case is Miranda actually trying to hurt Andy? I don't think a villain has to be an antagonistic because I don't think Miranda priestly, really isn't entirely. She she has those qualities of the villains we love. And if you look at the end result into priestly is a hugely influential mentor, two two n d and it certainly turns out well for right end in the end is is happy, and she's becoming a true realized person the person she always wanted to be and that I don't think that would have happened. If she'd gotten a job at TV guide instead of runway, right? She had to go through those trials to have those realizations about herself, and the work ethic that she's learned along the way is going to make her great at what she does even in the scene where Miranda is at her most weathering, she may know, she's humiliating Andy. But she's also trying to teach her something invaluable. Something funny. No, no, no, nothing. You know, just the both those bouts of exactly the same to me, you know, still. Learning about this stuff and this stuff. Oh, okay. I see you think this has nothing to do with you. She's not wrong. And specifically like if you think about it. She's trying to help her. She's being incredibly disrespectful to some people. Who are really great at what they do. You look at it at its Moreno's actually pretty justified in her reaction here at hits anti hard, and she can't see it right away. But as someone who has worked so hard to get where she is more intas completely justified in that scene. It's actually civilian also blithely unaware the fact in two thousand two Osceola Renta did a collection of SuAn guns. And then I think it was eve salary wasn't it who should civilian-military jackets. I think we need a jacket here. And then really quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers to filter down through the department stores and then trickled down into some tragic casual corner while you know, doubt fished it out of some clearance. Been however that blue represents millions of dollars, and countless jobs, and it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry. When in fact, you wearing a sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room from a pile of stuff, David says, part of Miranda's harshness actually comes from respect that she sees a bit of herself, and Andy and wants to, cultivate, it I think she sees g I, you know, oh my God. Somebody educated coming in here. That might surprise me. Do you know why I hired you always hire the same girl stylish slender? Worships the magazine. But so often they turn out to be. Disappointing and. Stupid. So you. Impressive resume and the big speech about your so called work ethic. I I thought you would be different. I said to myself go ahead. Take a chance higher. The smart fat girl. I had hope. Thank god. I live on it. Anyway, you ended up disappointing me more than. More than any of the other silly bills. I really did everything I think of fissile. But I think ultimately she says, you know, I I saw something of myself in you. She started somewhere she she knows what it takes. So I think a lot of ways she was she was trying to for sure. Trying to Molter she was trying to teach or what it took to be great verandas torturous mentor. Ship of Andy comes to a head in their final scene together in the limo. In Paris Miranda sums up the choice, and he has to make in one line a line that Merrill added. A final twist to I wrote a version of that scene of the limousine scene and in the table read the second table read instead of saying everyone wants to be me, which is what I had written Merrill said everyone wants to be us. And then she looked over man. And obviously that was great don't be ridiculous on everybody wants this. Us. You know, in that included, Andy and the collective guilt of of ambition and ruthlessness, and and that was brilliant. There's another place where Merrill helped the devil wears products. Stick the landing after Andy's interview at the end of the film for the New York observer, where we see how much she's grown from the disastrous interview that opened the film. She and maranda lock is across a busy New York street. David remember, filming that scene vividly? Remember, it might have been our first day that she was on the set we were shooting the last scene of the movie, and she's getting she gets into the into her car and sits in the backseat, and then and you know, we had the car was completely gelled and lights and and shooting her close up, and she looks out the window and gives a little smile and cut. We did three or four takes that. And then I said, all right. Let's move on. And they took away all the lights and all the gels as the cars drive away. Here Merrill, say David can I do. One more. Okay. Meryl Streep wants to do one more. Of course, I shout to floor in the DP. All right. We're going to do another one Merrill needed to give maranda one last moment of villainy. See the face fall. You know, he'd bring the car back jails go on the lights, go back up, another forty five minutes and Merrill, gets in the back. And she does a little look out the window does little smile, and then she turns to the driver and says go. And completely unscripted moment. You know, Merrill, improvise it, and it makes the whole end of the movie, you know, gives it a real landing point. The devil wears product is one of those movies. You never get tired of it could have been released a week ago, and it would still be relevant. Anybody said any kind of success or failure has experienced some part of the divorce Brana, I think we've all been Andy. And I think that that's not easy to do. So many of us have experienced this and can resonate with this movie and watch it so many times and still get something out of it. Each time we watch it. So when you see those movies where it's like, oh my gosh. I I've been through that. And if you connect with an emotionally it it's just with you forever. And it shows us that the villains in our lives might just be our greatest teachers there's a tremendous amount to learn from the Brenda Pressley character. That's the beauty of it. That's why I feel like she's so lasting is. Because you know. In the end, we all need a little bit of Andy and a little bit of Miranda in us. Right. Well, I would like both men and women to examine their ambition. And I encourage people to strive for excellence, and I also want people at the same time to understand the sacrifices necessary tasks themselves, they're prepared to give up parts of themselves in that quest. And ultimately, I think that's what the movie's about is who am I I think all we ever wanted was for people to enjoy the movie, and the fact that they do is is beyond thrill. And that's that's all David I ever wanted. Go. Thanks for joining us for this episode of Spreen dive, I'm Anna van Valen for more than today's show, including exclusive content and past episodes. Visit Spreen dive pod dot com. Be sure to follow at sprint ipod on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, and please subscribe rate and review the show want to hear from you. The clips you heard today, we're from the devil wears Prada available to rent or buy on your favorite digital platform. We'd like to think David Frankel Aline brush McKenna. Cory Sullivan and faciliate Harvey for being on the show. Today screen dive is executive produced and hosted by me, it's produced by Michael huntsmen mayoral on the on home with production assistance from Angela hall. Mary. Next time.

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#203: Breaking Up Is Hard To Do, Pt. 1 - Kramer vs Kramer

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#203: Breaking Up Is Hard To Do, Pt. 1 - Kramer vs Kramer

"Hello next picture show listeners. Here's a friendly reminder that if you enjoy the next picture show you'll really enjoy getting more next picture. Show subscribing to our patriotic you can get our weekly newsletter for three three dollars a month and unlocked bonus episodes for five dollars a month. Our latest bonus episodes included discussion of our first impressions of Disney plus and soon some talk about the star wars spin off the Amanda Laurean to subscribe Patriot. Please visit Patriot dot com slash next picture. Shaw keep the line between the past waist. You believe there's someone out of pass and enter. Take possession of a True Path is not through with does welcome to the next picture. Show a movie podcast of a classic film and how it shaped thoughts in recent release. I'm Keith Phipps here. With Scott Tobias and Tasha Robinson Kospi is. Well we'RE SUING FOR CUSTODY FOR GENTLEMEN Cocky. She may not be back next next week for next year episodes. We'll be considering to films about marriages how they work. How the end and how they affect the children touched by them and Scott a UK? Man I don't know I mean I'm trying to make this French toast. Kid keeps knocking over the juice falling off playground equipment. There's this whole drama about Halloween costumes comes with us. Cool trick that I do with penknife but it went awfully Orion well. Apparently is hard guys it is. I think might be confusing your own life with stuff. That happens happens in a movies were discussing. That's possible I guess. I just tired all the time I get it. Can you tell us a little bit about our pairing anyway. I'll do my best first released in nineteen seventy nine Robert Benton's Kramer versus Kramer tapped into concern about splintered families. That first arose in the decade after the introduction of no fault divorces news which made leaving a marriage easier while also introducing a new set of hurdles for those who needed to negotiate the terms of split in its impact on children the film stars. Dustin Dustin Hoffman as an on the rise at executive who unexpectedly becomes a single parent at the departure of his wife. Played by Meryl Streep Kramer Versus Kramer earned widespread acclaim claim when Multiple Oscars became the highest grossing film of Nineteen seventy-nine beating out such films as the Amityville Horror Alien beyond this title became a shorthand for the new reality confronting divorced families in the second. Half of this pairing will look at a new film that considers what it means to end the marriage and to be apparent after that marriage urge ends Noah Baumbach marriage story starring Adam driver and Scarlett Johansson as parents trying to navigate a bi-coastal divorce that places. They're eight year old son at the center of the Split. Their films consider the end of love and the challenges of finding happiness but also the difficulty of doing right by the next generation their wrenching but also disarmingly really funny at times and their films that will likely inspire a variety opinions about where their sympathies lie. We'll be back to discuss them after a short break Amazing if some kind of junk all the best chefs are men and shelling there. Oh it's all right you like your French toast crunchy. Don't you aren't circles on it. I want my son. You can't have makes you so sure he doesn't want not. I'm only twenty minutes the other mothers there before you will never happen again. I'm not saying he doesn't need his father but I really believe he needs me more. Mother wife says she loves billion. I believe she does. But I'd like to know what law is it that says the woman is is a better parent simply by virtue of her. Sex is a field. Okay Q in Nineteen seventy nine. The New York Times signed published an article in which a group of experts discussed legal shortcomings of the then new drama Kramer versus Kramer a sample. It could not have been the correct decision. The public would have been and deceived and thinking so said Philip. Solomon a former president of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers in one thousand nine hundred nine amaze me to hear the lawyer. Tell the father if you want custody we must go for the jugular said Doris. Jonas freed chairman of the American bar. Association's Family Law Section Friedman onto describe the films of you of courts favoring the mother except under extraordinary circumstances as outdated but freed also admitted. This was true of some judges. You're not going to convince them otherwise. She said they're just that breed. That may have to die out police case Shea. Adding Justice of the New York State Supreme Court also noted that the child at the center of the film's battle would have had some input into the matter sane saying no judge tries a custody case would make a decision without interviewing the child. The child was very articulate intelligent boy in the movie he surely would have had views about where he wanted to be much. It could have been learning about his Welfare Shea. Also summarize a general feeling of those on sold it for the piece. The legal aspects of the film were fifty years behind the Times but the articles must telling quotes. Come not from any of the interview subjects but the author of the peace. George delay who writes the plot of the film quote would have sounded bizarre a decade ago but seems entirely plausible. In today's world of mothers seeking fulfillment and fathers taking custody of young children in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine California became the first day to legalize the no fault divorce. I mean that neither party had to show wrongdoing to an marriage ten years later the release of Kramer versus Kramer attempted to capture the state of the nation living in the aftermath of that decision. Did it succeed. The question whose answer undoubtedly looks different now than forty years ago and will doubtlessly look different. Still Forty years. From now it depicting the the dissolution of the Kramer of Marriage Kramer versus Kramer makes little attempt to be even-handed Ted Kramer played by Dustin Hoffman. And your daddy sustained late at the office of working into the night at home is taken by surprise when his wife Joanna played by Meryl Streep Informs Him that She's leaving him over the course of the next eighteen months. Ted Comes to realize. He's made mistakes in the clutches wife's happiness but the film depicts Joanna as flaky and irresponsible driven. By some vague new agey quest for self fulfillment the driver to California only to bring her back almost at a whim to retrieve the child she left behind that women's Lib might at Stoke discontent arises as a possibility as well. She might earn her understanding. Thanks largely to streets it's performance but she never earns her sympathy Kramer versus Kramer. Let's that fall almost entirely Ted who struggles began with attempt to make French toast and extend to create threatening need need to be present for his son. Even when deadlines loom. It's here that the film becomes to quote another line for the nineteen seventy nine piece a divorce movie that transcends the Jonah of divorce annuities if Kramer versus Kramer load the dice on the battle between the Kramer's the legal proceedings even more questionable. Now than in nineteen seventy nine. Is there anything that judge won't allow Ted relationship with his son. Billy leaps beyond those concerns Justin. Henry won an Oscar nomination for his work is billy and he and Hoffman. believably play characters set adrift from the Protection Protection of fully intact family. Ted Grows frustrated and overreacts when billions careless. Billy turns fearful and confused it all feels heartbreakingly real as is through the father and sons more tender moments. Each in his own way is trying to figure out the new reality of world in which families might just be temporary arrangements so was the world itself itself which might explain how the film not only earned rave reviews but beat out all that jazz. Norma Rae breaking away and apocalypse now for the Best Picture Oscar. The other ones had Hoffman. Who won best actor and been walked away with prizes for best adapted screenplay and best director which makes sense without been slow key direction and focus on the day to day routine? Eighteen and challenges of parenthood might seem like just a one sided depiction of a man damaged by selfish woman instead. It plays like a snapshot of a family trying to understand what to do. When Mary Jen's the other responsibilities remain one of many in a world trying to do the same Don't get defensive. Don't try to bully me. I'm not getting defensive. Who Will Donald House fifteen? I am still his mother from from three thousand miles away and just because a few postcards gives you the right to comeback never stopped wanting him social pupils you. What makes you so sure? He doesn't doesn't want me okay. We're going to sit here and back this back and forth. It was eight years old times. Denied tell me what I can or cannot do. Don't talk to me that way. You can have to do what to do about this. So what is everyone's history with. I remember it's weird. I know I saw a lot of it at some point probably when I was a kid because I used to be on TV. All the time. I don't think I've ever watched it all the way through. So how about how about you guys. I was exposed to this film at a Pretty Young Age via mad magazine That are bred to remember that I I remember reading the mad treatment of like long before I was capable of understanding what was going on in this movie and being sort baffled but fascinated by the way mad kind of pulled apart like its weaknesses about sexuality about Meryl Streep's performance like they really seem to find her constant crying hilarious Laureus and play the joke so I didn't. I don't think I saw this film until maybe college and I went in kind of like mentally expecting some sort of of Lake really comic drama. I guess Just because my my impressions came from mad and I was surprised. At the time how sympathetic it seems to the characters while feeling just completely imbalanced re watching it again today. I don't feel that nearly nearly as much and I actually feel like Meryl Streep's particularly in that opening scene where she's she's trying to escape like her open anxiety comes across so clearly like you really. They do feel that she's traumatized and she's trying desperately to protect her own mental health later scenes the movie. I think maybe you don't know her well enough to fully interpret her And I've got some problems with the ending of the movie that we can pick into but just overall I saw this film at at pretty wide intervals at different parts. Parts of my life and it it's developed a lot in nuance for me. I think overall the performances are really strong and like what it's saying about society at the time it was made is just like a really interesting historical document but then looking at it again today it becomes just serve this showcase for really strong acting and kind of an analysis assistive where society was in nineteen. Seventy nine yeah. I mean it is fascinating to watch. Today I definitely saw this film when I was very young I would have been when I was kit or maybe a teenager a long time and I'm and I'm I guess I remember it fairly finally but not that strongly so it was fascinating to return to it now. Now as just this snapshot of the time with what I what the attitudes were and it's a film of significant nuance of really fine performances. Mrs But also baffling. It's also a very foreign place to think about it. It's forty years if you saw this film in nineteen eighty forty years before. That's eight forty because you're actually thirty nine when this when this nineteen seventy nine film this is. It's been awhile since came mountain so you kind of have to look at it from that perspective but at the same time. I'm so utterly baffled. And sort of gobsmacked by the decision made by the court. I think marriage story will discuss later. Clarified a little bit more but like they're not going to be in different cities. They're both people who want to be active parents to their kid. There's a pretty easy joint custody arrangement to be made here in not really much in the way of splitting them assets either. I don't don't get this decision any sense to me like I don't I really don't get I hate to skip to the inning. But I really don't buy what Meryl Streep doesn't doesn't change of heart now. Total narrative convenience well played. But but yeah it's a cop out. Yeah it is a cop out. And that's I I mean that's sort of what I was. Dodging around is just the sense that it has to happen for the story to have anything like I don't even feel like it's a question of like. Does this move. You have to have a happy ending like this was the seventies could have Super Downer but here it would be it you know if she just walks off with the kid and that's the end of it. It wouldn't be a butch cassidy and the Sundance Sundance Kid. You Know Heroes Dying gloriously. Everybody would just be thinking about that poor child and like how he was torn away from his father like even more. So than Dustin Hoffman You can sympathize with his feelings and still think well you know this is GonNa traumatize him but like he's an adult he's going to move on but now everybody would be thinking about the kid so I feel like that story ending is just all about like. How can we having done all of this? Put the story back in a place where nobody's GONNA burn earn Hollywood down in a rage. Imagine this alternative ending Tasha. What if Meryl Streep Calls? Dustin Hoffman down to the lobby. And she he says doesn't happen. Whatever your name is Ted what if we had a more equitable custody arrangement? Wow what a what an ending that would be like. We're we're because they arrangement the ruling is she has custody. He gets two weekends a month and one other night or something like that or it'd be a holly that New York Times piece about how it was totally unfair. Totally unfair and it would never happen except it happened you. You really do feel like you know. My understanding growing up was that courts almost always sided with the mother I think that was fairly common practice us. You know even in this case is just so agree. jus- where one parent is obviously parenting. The child and the other is stepping back in after after you know Flooding off with with little warning now. I think you're right. I think that opening scene. You really do feel her pain and you do get the sense in that scene and then over the course of the movie this is someone who who was slotted into this role of you know you say at home. You're the mother because that's what women do even by someone of Dustin Hoffman's age who ought to be the generation that's supposed to get beyond that but really didn't you know and I think it is feels really real. I'm not sure that character is treated fairly fairly I I think that characters treated fairly as a character but as sort of a stand in for what women do these days. It's a little. It's a little troubling and I think that the a lot of the problem is in the courtroom scene because the courtroom scene stops being about people so much of this movie like so many of these. Like Loki Oh key scenes of what Dustin Hoffman's like with his son or even that opening were Meryl Streep is like admitting to herself that she is going to leave this child l.. where she sort of petting him? And he's like whatever mom in the morning and she's thinking no you won't like that's heartbreaking the all but all of it just feels very real it feels very human though the whole business of the kid accidentally falls off the the playground equipment and the dad panics and then has to be in the hospital with him watching being him ball through necessary treatment. That's as traumatizing for the DAD. As it is for the sun all of it feels very real. The courtroom scene is about drama. It's it's about injustice. It's about like pulling at your heart strings. It's about pain but as a result the lawyers in particular just never come across as particularly convincing. It's never ever convincing to me that either. The judge or Ted's lawyer would sit still while the opposing lawyer is trying to make hay out of the fact that he lost his job because he was prioritizing his son. And it's like you're an unfit father. Because you took care of your son how dare you. There's there's no illogic to that. There's no logic to the lawyer letting it stand. There's no logic to the judge letting it stand. It's all just setup sue the audience can feel Duggan. It's like an early case of outrage culture. Like how dare he get away with that. Yeah take US weakest part of the moving the final out the ending. Also like you're right she could have you know proposed a more equitable relationship could've spelled out in more detail what she wanted. Like the the brevity of that scene I think takes her from. You can believe her in that in that first sequence as like a torn mom dealing with such extreme anxiety that she flees you are kind of on the fence during the the courtroom scene. Because she's kind of Lake like how sincere is any of this. Does she believe everything she saying. Is this slayer really torturing her but then in the end when she's like after all that I decided to just give them up. I think he keeps right. There's no way to read that. Except that she's a complete flake who doesn't doesn't know what she wants to be an amazing double feature with this movie. Keith Matan Tasha. Mary Mary Stories Pretty Damn good but but but the one the one one. That'd be kind of interesting interesting with respect to Joanna. Is The rain people. The Francis Ford Coppola movie which is all about a housewife. Who for reasons with that are unknown or at least inexplicable to her husband just decides to leave to go on and on and she doesn't have a plan she's a stifled by the life that she has and the differences is that of course she is the hero of that story? She is the one that who we are following. And so but in Kramer vs Kramer you know. I think we get these really crucial scenes. At the beginning getting the the opening is really important to establishing some amount of sympathy for Joanna but the fact is that the fact that she is not present in the film and so not president in the life of her child is is going to make it so hard for us audience to feel what she's going through and understand what she's going through it and so it kind of creates is this imbalance that the phone can't get through but if you actually pull back in like look at the big picture I mean she's been the one who has exclusively taking care of this kid while he's been very career oriented personal expectations. I suppose but like it's been this stifling burden which she she's been completely louis squashed in this marriage by a guy who can't even freaking make a piece of French toast you know the WHO's utterly incompetent with taking over as as a parent. I mean he doesn't he doesn't know the first thing you know. He's cooking Salisbury. Steak you know TV dinners or whatever that's the best he can do You know he's not he doesn't know what he's doing at all all. So so which tells you immediately that he was not at all an equal partner in raising this kid and so he's just accounting for the last whatever. Fourteen eighteen months that we see we see all that time that he has an and of course that relationship grows an extra is extremely touching. There's always missing years which she was in charge and she did everything so if you can make that imaginative leap in understand that she was the one who do all this was really the near exclusive caretaker of this kid. Then you start to feel for some more. The whole film asks you to imagine like an entire an intellectual emotional life for her that you don't ever get to see I mean. Of course it's it's not gonNa feel fair and balanced. It's GonNa feel like you spend all of the time with one of them you have to just kind of fill in the blanks. According to your own predilections actions I think like how sincere she comes across in that court scene may depend really strongly on just how much you can sympathize with like a weeping woman talking. About how neglected did it is. She is and how terrible it is that she was forced to be nothing but her mother. You know that's something that's GonNa trigger like strong feelings and people that are going to be very very based on their own. Their own lives there on relationships with their parents their relationships with their children differently. But how do you feel like this reflected the realities. Apparently because I feel like I've never bend yell at the kid until they go to bed weep param. I've definitely been the why she's put your juice there in the first place I think it does. It's really good about capturing green. How like little tensions build and how small stakes can lead to big mistakes and how can be tortured by feeling frustration with with a kid? Who doesn't doesn't know any better but at the same time? Why don't you know better? You know it's very good about that. Yeah I really felt that scene with the ice cream where. He doesn't want to eat his salt Salisbury steak where he wants to have ice cream ice cream out and Ted is threatening him is like you take a bite you and you get in big big trouble and I can see that those boundaries. The things that kids test all the time and the ability to set them in abide by them and do it in a way that is fair and just not punitive and harsh. That's not an easy to do. And he doesn't know what he he doesn't. He fails utterly to do it. You fail utterly. He's failed utterly any guardrails for this kid. To begin in with the little bits allows the kid to be brazen enough to do what he does with ice cream in you completely overreacts when he crosses those boundaries that he's decided at the last minute he's going going to set so that part felt pretty real I think just generally if you're not experienced as a parent if you're not engaged as a parent and if you've ever been involved in kind of the routine of things it's it's bad for parent and child because nobody knows what they're doing kids don't know anything that's why you're there you set them You wait while you're there. You're there to give them some kind of direction or at least draw those lines and if you don't if you haven't done that then it's a problem and then it becomes a problem for you because you become frustrated and you overreact. Because problem for them because they don't know what they're doing and they act like brats so it's like it's bad bad either way so I felt very real. I mean I think if the film weirdly enough it succeeds least as a film about divorce the divorce process but it is accessible. Well I think is a portrait of somebody WHO's trying to do better as a parent about the bond between parent and child and all that stuff quite affecting the French toast bookends. It's a lovely eh script in that second scene of the two of them making French toast together. I mean it's it's practically slow cinema. It's more or less silent. They're just working in concert and as a book and it's a really smart piece of storytelling but just as a scene of them doing this thing that is so is so practice to sue routine gene is almost mechanized like there's something beautiful about their coordination. I haven't cared for French toast particularly since childhood. I liked it a lot when I was a kid. But probably haven't had more or than twenty years in that film weirdly made me want French toast as someone who is. I don't know if embroiling lettuce intolerant I get grossed out by milk easily and eggs you too so that I a little rough to watch. It's certainly French. Toast like the finished product. It's great simply as messy. Keep talking I could make you some good French toast on On Homemade Brioche something about the ice cream scene I read that. That whole thing was improvised and that Ben just liked it enough that he left it in the film and I find that hard to imagine like how exactly it came about and I would love to read more about exactly what was improvised. If it was just the dialogue they had had the scenario or if they were sitting there at the table with the kid was just like. I'M GONNA go get some ice cream. I hate when you get these little x-ray on Amazon slash slash. IMDB trivia kind of lives are completely in credited. You don't know where they come from. And you're gonNA find them reflected all over the web without again any context whatsoever so ever but speaking to the realism of parenting. I mean I'm not a parent but I have a family and I can tell you that the thing that struck me as most realistic about that aspect of the storytelling here. There was just the dichotomy between what it's like to make decisions within a family based on your personal relationship based on the moment based on emotions is based on all of these different things none of which comes across whatsoever. If somebody describes the situation outside the family outside the relationship like the way the kids accident comes up in court to sound so damning. When you just say I felt responsible because I was supposed to be watching him in he nearly lost an eye? But you know when you're actually there for the sequence like you see how it happens like he's he is actively watching the kid. The kids other guardian is standing literally physically next to him in lake. You can tell it it was all an accident but that doesn't matter to people outside the situation we're just hearing it described and so much family stuff is like that you know if you just if if you say well you know. She misbehaved on a hitter. There's like fifty percent of American society. These days will be like. Oh my God you're monster and you know people who grew up up with it maybe won't but there's a whole lot of nuance and personal decision. Making that goes into something like that. That just doesn't come across in description. Yeah just a brief aside by the things in this mood and made it feel like wow forty years a long time ago because everything. That's in my life towns. I was six for most teens. Seventy nine uh-huh but the same time like playground safety standards living in New York for like thirty thousand dollars a year for three thousand dollars this year And then when often talking about the things he grew up with and how he didn't have television. Wow Cat fussing hawkins really all you know. He wouldn't have been old in seventy nine but so you wouldn't have grown up with that stuff. You would have grown up with the Brooklyn. Dodgers dodgers is ancient history now but Not Not not for anyway. That's s either there. It's weird to see to see a movie like this in understand it as a period piece you know you remember that time commercials. Where or exactly what? I grew up breath. It's like watching like oh I never knew Casey Kasem did the raid commercial set of talks. We're talking about the style. The film Robert Bitten is director. It's a director of this almendral is cinematographer. Because at one point Francois Truffaut was considering directing it as as his first American film which he never never got around to making one of them didn't really interesting career and it was an interesting place in his career at this point a he he you know. He wrote One of the Writers Bonnie and Clyde I think the only credited screenwriter abundant bunning. Clyde and at this point you know the year before Adrian Superman but as director he made a bad company which was a really good revisionist Western starring Jeff Bridges in the late show which is a really cool. Kind of you know cockeyed. Take on the on the classic. Hollywood mystery starring Art Carney and lily. Tomlin a lot of fun if you haven't seen it it's a really good Della feature with a long long by but neither of those films are are the same style and this is this is very low key very observational very very minimal county. Let's things play out in long scenes I think it's the right approach for the story because I think you could easily tip over into Hysteria or or just sort of manipulation. If you do it any other way I wonder how much of that kind of a long take mentality came out of some of us being just like Improv Improv. With the kid because he's a really astonishing actor for child actor of the era and did this isn't the style that most kid actors took on like most of them were given very precocious dialogue. And we're very big and bright. But he really feels like a kid if he's a real kid and if a lot of this and apparently You know he was. He was quite the little actor. Quite the little little diva there's reports of him freaking out when like other kids were winning awards The during awards season after this. But you know in the sequence where. He's he's balling on the table is his face is being stitched up Apparently just just literally came out of Benton sitting down with him and doing the like. I want you to remember the saddest thing that's ever happened to you like that kind of thing and it's hard to believe watching it it's like are they really traumatizing. Make kid or are they really hurting him. In some way we spend so much of the movie crying and it's really very convincing so I wonder if like working with him. In a naturalistic. A realistic environment to to Eke out. That performance is one of the reasons like the takes her so long. The the cameras static that we just sort of spend so much time I'm living in the environment to capture those moments. The style of it is quite subtly beautiful. It's photograph by Nestor Alimentos. Who had won the the Oscar for days of heaven the year before? And he's having famously one of those beautiful films ever made quicken movie and And somebody who had worked with truffaut and he he. He went on the next year to do the Blue Lagoon. which for all its faults is a film certainly beautiful? Look at but he's also someone you'd associate with exteriors in natural light was this is thing Romer films made are right and all that the beach just walking and talking to go outside and everything is his so his style is pretty wide open. There's a lot out of Not A lot. In the way of telephoto lenses get a sense of the space so a lot of close ups I mean he also went on to do so each choice again with with Meryl Streep and that is another movie that leans very heavily on on pretty extreme Personal intimate close ups of somebody's face says they're experiencing some very extreme emotions and I think he must have just figured out how to late Meryl Streep for for maximum drama. He's got some. Her face is so striking I mean she's streep I guess but this movie is little. She's in it. You can't look away because he has such a remarkable Marqaba phases such remarkable expression. It does absolutely everything she possibly can with his character to to bring it to life in. It's not easy. I don't think in both of those films was like one aspect of that. That extreme intimacy with her is you know. She doesn't look great in a lot of these In a lot of these sequences you know. She's she's really crying but like her her eyes well up and in turn nose runs and her skin turns blotchy. And it's it's not elegant glamorous it's real and I I think the fact that he gets so close in with her and gets her lit so well Really kind of enhances that that feeling of closeness and intimacy and maybe seeing the things that you shouldn't be saying yeah yeah I mean and and and some of the some of the behind the scenes stuff is kind of you know appreciate their the illusion of the film. You probably. It's a rock you don't WANNA turn over. There was Meryl Streep talked pretty extensively about how unpleasant working with Dustin Hoffman was and and He does not come off Well and descriptions of the on the making of this film was there's lots to talk about the yeah which is can be distracting when he's playing such a sensitive or evolving into a sensitive man. It's it's kind of distracting to know some of that stuff. I mean a a friend. A lot of stories about him being very metheny and abusive to his partners and egotistical. I haven't really read what she said about this. Can you can you sum up. He's laughter. Ah He would Her husband John Zale had just died and he would torture with that to get her emotional. For the performance There are some groping involved Abdo was verbal abuses. Not Not not good stuff. Good stuff He wasn't on twitter. This we talked about how you never hear people play Nice Nice characters talking about how they had to remain in character for the method. It's all these people played assholes you know that was Robert Patents. Okay right okay. Okay someone on twitter. Robert Patent Observe Pat Patterson which is which is a good one. I mean I think I think a lot of that style of acting of method acting has been colored. It's such such a bad light now. I mean obviously. It doesn't help if people often are actually misbehaving on the set in misbehaving in their lives. But I think generally those types of tricks and that kind of aggression and the extreme lengths to which people go to deliver a performance cannot only not enhance performance ultimately but Make the experience really unpleasant for the other people who are trying to act. I swung the other direction in terms. Turns of appreciation of method acting. I mean improper because people like endeared leto is just a certain amount of like the press loves to talk about the Wacky Shenanigans. Does that take place on the film on the sets of films with method actors behaving badly. You know but directors don't WanNa work with it like other actors don't necessarily want to work with so many directors these days when you're interviewing them are like talk about like creating a safe environment for the actors creating an environment where the actors can can be what they need to be. And when you've got one ham who's handing out dead rats and used condoms like that's not really good for anybody's space. I also just find it Hinky. Whenever a leading man seems to think it's his job to help his female co star in particular get into character via abuse? I'm looking at you Marlon Brando in last tango in Paris unholy extreme example. Who needs help outing Meryl Streep you gotTa You gotta you gotTa push along? But I think there is an element where it does show in this character obviously You know again. I'm not I'm not going to minimise mayes. What he did on the set which sounds horrible but this character is is a abrasive jerk for a while I it takes a really long time to you get out of his own head in become an actual competent father? Somebody who can understand that there are things more important than his own career in his is own ambitions that he's she's got other responsibilities and things to get in touch with and so the Jerky side of that character is very persuasively. Communicated by by Dustin Hoffman to this movie movie so Ho- However it took him to get there whether it's method acting. You're just generally being a jerk. He kinda gets there. There's so many idiosyncrasies to how Dustin Hoffman place characters in general and here lake his his kind of weird paternalism. I do find it off putting in some sort of interesting interesting ways like I think. Temps relationship with Margaret is really interesting. Like it's fills really unusual not just in films of the era but in films at all all to see an adult man and woman who are both divorced and both kind of like hungry for a relationship to have a friendship that isn't sexual rule it all doesn't have sexual tension. I mean gropes around the but casually at one point during this movie and it's just a it's it's meant as a friendly gesture. He puts his arm around her and like he's not Mac. An honor honor. It's just they just kind of have physical contact with each other and like when the sun asks liquor you. Are you guys going to get married. He's like no no nothing like that. So I think on paper. That's a really interesting like actual male female friendship but then the way. Dustin Hoffman plays. It just kinda comes across a a little creepy and a little grabby and it bugs me. Every time I watch it comes office of the time in some ways. Though you know I don't know Madman Ish yeah yeah. He can't not be kind of condescending jerk to women even the ones he likes the friends with you know I I. It's a it's a character detail. Tell I guess that you get to that point in the courtroom. where she's like they're they're beautiful the other end of father and son so I I don't know I mean? I thought that was a nice element. The booby apply that. We kinda got two of this character played by Jane Alexander who adds I think he had something pretty significant to the movie because she she's somebody who was friends with Joanna primarily in only came to know comes to know Ted after join a leaves and She could be the one to quite literally testifies to his fitness as a as a parent. But I felt like that relationship there was some realness there and a realness to her own domestic situation and You know which is also complicated and also about her thing about her marriage and whether what's going to happen if maybe that is able to be resolved in which you take this guy back doc and it's just nice it's nice to when you can. Have you know these sort of lived in elements in a movie like that. It just gives everything a lot more authenticity just the conversations that they're able to have about their relationships. I feel like that would be a very different. Like the conversation that he has with his boss about his wife and how he feels about her. That's inevitably I'm going to feel like a madman kind of thing that's inevitably going to feel removed from any kind of like close emotion because it's a work relationship and it's two men talking about how a woman failed one of them but when he's talking to his female friend who's gone through a very similar thing and both of them. Regardless of the gender line like have experienced very similar things that are very similar emotional places it makes it feel kind of universal in charming way like the pain of divorce and and the the isolation and the wonder about the future it acknowledges that this happens to people on both sides of that fence and I think it's a really healthy thing. We're we saw the humor of this This film because it's not it could just be dreadful slog given the topic but I mean you get moments like you get the running gag about About the toilet Never been flushed. no matter who you just sort of that morning routine get you know. His Awkward Adventures in single date into the dating eighty mcgann or dating. Or whatever you WANNA call it with. His Co worker played by Joe Beth Williams and the dialect fried chicken which is great non sequitur. I mean it's really funny. The smell is Joe Beth Williams Williams debut. Yeah Yeah You know that's that was amazing glasses. Yeah well I mean you know I mean all those things things help help. The world of the film become more persuasive. That's basically enemy. Of course this is a very heavy film is full all of follow emotion and high stakes and yet filled with with tiny human details. That make you feel like the people making it. No other talking about have had experiences like that or just you know that's it's ultimately. What makes the difference between a good movie in a bad movie? Is that investment of detail in the small things things. I'd be curious to read the book by Avery. Corman I know one thing streep is sad. Is that part of her coming on board and in extra she was up for the Joe Beth Williams part originally and in pushed gets the Joanne part and one day she pushed for was to flesh out the character of she found Completely antipathetic on the page. So I wonder what I wonder what the book is like. It's from records. Also the author of a of a Oh God another landmark seventy so away really how. How in the world is that a book? God Yeah fairly fairly recently. Did you watch all the show. Did you watch all of them. I went oh my gosh breath respectively. How books we haven't read in veering off topic to talk about the? Oh God series that maybe al Qaeda to wind down this portion of the show. We will be right back after the break to talk about feedback Now it's time for feedback. Listeners weigh in with their responses to recent episodes in anything else in the world of film this week. We've got a letter that shed some light on the mystery of the hosts title Tasha. Can you clear that up for us. Share McKell writes the Korean title of bonds. The host is Queen Mule which translates to monster maybe given the award winning film monster which came out in two thousand three the US distribution the hosted didn't want any confusion. Well how about that clears that. How do you like the simplicity of just calling monster? Yeah it's made me wonder a lot like who the host is just as the. There's been a lot of debate about who the parasite is is and parasite so yeah. I would love to know more about why they picked to that specific title but I can certainly understand why they just want to call let monster even leaving aside the conflict of this just a pretty basic title but how did they end up with the host. Here's some much more substantial bong feedback related parasite about metaphors repeat viewings. Scott can you share that. I can Albert Rights. I really enjoyed your recent episode parasite particularly the discussion surrounding basements. Spent the mini staircases in the film. US also explored similar ideas expertly this year. But I can't think of a better visual metaphor for class struggle on any movie than the moment and parasite when the previous housekeeper kicked on the stairs. Can you talk about some of your favorite uses of metaphors for common themes and film recent or all time. This movie is so good. I need to squeeze it in another question. When I saw parasite a second time I picked up on a neat little character nuance early on in the film? When the son of the Kim family inquires about the job opportunity to the pizza place employee the family literally surrounds the poor girl who was just trying to uphold her company's brand mighty establishing their parasitic nature in a very subtle? It'll in clever way. Can you think of any of your favorite discoveries on repeat viewings that she didn't catch the first time watching a film Man Albert. You don't ask for much do you. Yeah these are both huge questions media fun questions. I'M GONNA start with favorite uses metaphor. I've I've got one for a favorite big metaphors for class class struggles that I think maybe is even better than the upstairs downstairs thing and parasite and that's John. Carpenter's they live. which openly establishes that kind of the people on top and capitalist society the people who are controlling things the people who find it necessary for everybody live in a constant state of money worship and purchasing things for satisfaction are literal aliens? You know that half of the world is made up of these aliens. That are controlling. Everything and deliberately shaping keeping society in a way that's anti-theft ical to the way actual humans live and that all you need to do is put on these special glasses and see the world the way it actually is and suddenly suddenly realized that I mean it's it's literally a pulling the wool off. Somebody's is by putting a piece of plastic on someone's eyes and I just. I think the idea that that fundamentally capitalism is kind of an alien thing that that puts us all in this like weird head space is he's just a really interesting idea and separating the haves and the have nots into different species is a really interesting idea. Yeah I think that's something that genre films and horror four films deuce particularly well-meant almost don't think you can talk about that specific thing without talking about George. Romero that is that is what is entire are dead series was all about was was finding some metaphor is a metaphor whether it's whether it's for You know consumerism or or the war in Iraq or what have you to sort of attach the movie too and that's something that is common to a lot of horror films of you. Think about people under the stairs. The Wes Craven Film and its attachment to Reaganism and those values. I mean there's a lot of examples in in that genre. Were Metaphor works particularly well. Then if you talk about upstairs downstairs stuff that happens immediate. You'd see a lot of these metaphors play out in Twelve films or you can see it in Gosford Park. You know I it's effective. Did he go with with our theme. This week's episode. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA borrow again another someone on twitter not to monitor but someone on twitter. We were talking when I mentioned this film brought up the Brood as a sort of horror metaphor for divorce and and I think probably I mean. I wasn't aware the first time I saw. But other interviews the corner brook over the years. It's pretty directly inspired by his own experiences with divorce and getting in childbirth and that not too but I mean but I mean His wife took the kids and went to the kind of a Colt car are questioning arguably cult like environment. You know so it's all that's all in the movie to Canadian stuff though. Yeah I know I know but I mean. That's a standard. Like no fault Canadian divorces was the wife gets to take the kid to a cult. Gag Zakho do. I think you're right though. I think I think Horri- I can run with these metaphors in places that other Jonah can't and that's part of what makes him so fascinating in keeping with that. I'd say another all time. Favorite Metaphor is the Matrix The the whole idea that again society is an artificial construct. And if you see beyond it if you see you what kind of On a deeper level he can see how artificial at all is the line like what is it. Why am is hurt? It's because you've never used them before I mean there's a reason the whole red pill thing has become such a An unfortunate but widely embraced me like the the the idea of taking a pill and being able to see what the truth isn't society and see that like everything that you that you take for granted. is kind of a lie. That's been handed view in order to manipulate you. It's it's heady stuff it's very political stuff but it's also just you know it's an exciting science fiction story at at the same time it's it's very easy to read it on a very literal level as this kind of chosen one adventure or you can dive deep into the the Liechtenstein of it all or like you know whoever chow skis exploring these days like she she just she gets very very deep into the heidegger philosophy of it all uh-huh and it's fun to hear or talk about it but it's also just a really good metaphor is what about this other question about favorite the discoveries on repeat viewings alien one question. Sorry I'll give you a moment to thank. I'll tell you I'll tell you what they think. Maybe my my all time. Favorite is the the first one that I jumped to was in the prestige Anybody wasn't seeing the prestige. Should skip over this. I might try to talk around it a little bit but but there's really no way to get there. There are a lot of reveals reveals in Christopher Nolan's the prestige. There are a lot of things that you don't. You're not meant to not the first time. So you're definitely not meant to see them the first time and I love that movie. I I love the way it unfolds. I went back and watched it a second time. And you can. You can honestly see that Christian. Bale is playing two different characters It's very subtle title It's very careful but you can tell who he's playing in every given scene you can tell that he's conscious who's playing in every given scene and in the the sequence immediately after his characters sort of like servant best friend guy is captured and buried alive and nearly dies the way he plays. The next scene only makes sense. If you understand what the secret with that character secret is and what's been going on and it just it gives gives the whole film a level of hidden nuance that you're just. You're not equipped to see the first time but you know it's it's very clear that he's thinking talking about it on a level that a first time you're is not well that was really funny. You mentioned the prestigious. I was going to mention momentum and I don't know if there's any one stand Out detail but I think the thing with his movies this and actually it was true of interstellar for me too. It's like they're so complex design in send you on such a hedge tripped to try to kind of like follow along that you don't realize how much emotion is packed into the to these ideas that are at play. And so so and so when you really start to confront what Memento was actually about and what this character is doing. Every day is kind of heartbreaking in ways that you could not have expected. Because you're just you're so busy playing catch up that first rearing so there's so there's that another reese more recently I can think of I I wasn't a huge fan of the success when it came out but I was among the many surprised by the twist in that movie and so but I watched it again and I was kind of astonished by like how screamingly obvious it. Is that what the twist list is. But everyone misses it the first time. But it's it. The film does not cheat on that twist. I mean you know you know. He became shyamalan became the twist guy after that movie and sort of In a very bad way but I think because we started to anticipate with those twist whistle the became. They seem taxpayer. But we anticipate any of that stuff with the sixth sense and For him to hide that revelation in plain sight and I'm still fool with with with a Lotta respect. A lot of respect for his tongue it just a very small thing with a village. In that regard the way they talk in the community seems so stiff and artificial in weird it's actually off-putting the first time through when you understand that it's stiffen artificial because they a stiffly artificially created on purpose like that. This is this is a planned community. Where like of course everything feels fake? It's because it's fake like it it just adds a richness to the movie that I think is actually literally funny. I think movies with twists are a pretty obvious for that reason. Just because you're kind of in on it As well but I think movies where you kind of you know. They don't count as twist movies. But I like I like lost highway drive more shows kind of kind of sync into what they're doing but we're talking before about Magnolia because our friends at film spotting talked about it too. But that's a film missile. Just load it with things like you know numbers that recur and May Sonics symbols and references and things like that So I think you know those kind of films where they're just absolutely we're every detail it's been thought through those are the ones that really improve on Second Vienna or you know someone who's working at a very detailed level like Green Peter Greenaway or something. I don't overdo over. Never catch every everything. That's been details when packed onto it. It's funny Peter Greenaway just came up for me literally last night with A friend I haven't talked about movies with much. Hit just watched Cookley food lover on the criterion jam and he just the density that it goes into Peter Greenaway movies and the parallelism that he loves and the symbolism that he loves. Those movies are movies. That you're gonNA WANNA watch repeatedly if you're going to want to impair were. We're not one of these things that'd be. The Cook I cook was still my favorite of his but boy it's a tense. You know it's for you know. His press parents books on. That's that's one on ones. I have not seen. Yeah yeah prosperous. Books is on there. As is the pillow book Azad into knots and the draughtsman's contract pretty solid line. A lot of short now looking at analysis flesh short films. I haven't seen any to all this stuff leave. I don't hugely recommend his short films especially not as a way to get into him but I think pillow book is one of his most accessible and then two knots was the one that hooked me you start with the falls three minutes I think. The trump contracts a great place to start right. He's he's on it for the star and it's going to I wanNA toleration for You know fairly fairly dense costume drama intrigue very related. Maybe a life addresses very go so Again Peter Greenaway rewatching Peter Greenaway films sort of part of the experience laws. 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Big Little Lies Returns For Season 2

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Big Little Lies Returns For Season 2

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from American pest as the leading provider of safe, sustainable pest control solutions across the DMV. Let American past help you to take back your home or business. From menacing pests visit them today at American pest dot net. When big little lies came to HBO it boasted a cast of stars Reese, Witherspoon, Nicole Kidman. Shailene Woodley Zoe Kravitz and Laura Dern for season two. They up their game by adding Meryl Streep the end of season. One solve the mystery show had been circling and season. Two is about the aftermath. I'm Welland, and I'm Linda Holmes. We're gossiping about big little lies on this episode of pop culture. Happy hour from NPR, so don't go away. Support for NPR and the following message come from luminary, the only place you can listen to the new podcast anthem from John and Cameron Mitchell. And Brian Weller anthem is a podcast, a musical with thirty one original songs delivered by forty actors including Tony award winners. Glenn Close and Patti LuPone. Listen to anthem and other original podcasts only on luminary, visit luminary dot link slash happy hour for your first two months of luminaries premium content free, cancel anytime terms apply. Welcome back. You just met NPR's Glen Weldon. Also with us is weekend edition. Books editor, Barry, Hardiman. Hey, bury there and joining us from NPR west, another one of our favorite people. Sam sanders. The host of it's been a minute. Hey, sam. Hi, hi. Hi, now, we should say before we get started that we are going to talk about where we are as we stand right now we've seen the first season and the first two of the second season. In particular, we are going to spoil events of the first season pretty freely. So if you wanna catch up, I do encourage you to do, so it's pretty good. So so that then ends here. So stop now because I'm about to explain where we our this season begins. So at the end of last season. It had come out that Perry, who was the husband, the abusive husband of Nicole Kidman's character Celeste had died after being pushed down the stairs by Bonnie that Zoe Kravitz his character Bonnie was protecting Celeste, there was a whole thing going on, but the long and the short of it is at all the women were kind of involved in the killing of Perry, and they all decided to kind of cover it up to protect ultimately both Celeste, and especially Bonnie from getting in trouble. So they lied to the police, and they have as of right now gotten away with it. That's kind of where we find ourselves in Meryl Streep is introduced as the mother of the Alexander Skarsgard character, who, of course does. Not know that all these women are covering up the murder of. She might she might be starting to know. Glen, I want to go to you first where, how are you feeling about this second season two episodes, and I really struggled to have some kind of deep well of critical thinking about this show, but at the end of the day, it is delivering these actresses this soap Alie to me on the regular what's not to, like, you know, I mean, even when the acting is not great. It's at least big, Laura Dern, and sometimes it seems a little it seems a little fan service. Like you mean Laura Dern we're not going to scream, but I'm a fan who was being harassed. Woman a moment. It checks a box, but it's my box. Yeah I'm on it that very how about you. I love these boxes. Yeah. I gotta be honest. I feel the same way it feels like the sort of like the second season so far. I'm just like, oh, this is a terrarium. I'd like to live in. You know, like I just want to be in these Monterey places. I want the outdoor fire. I like that red wig. It's a little longer this year. And I do think there are moments of, I'm not sure the show was ever really about more than the combination of these actresses some of whom are doing these moments of really transcendent work like Nicole Kidman, like working through the her mixed feelings of grief over the death of this domestic this, awful human is really breathtaking at times. So yeah, I'm all in. How about you, Sam well, sorry to bring the party down y'all? But right. I found myself watching the second episode Sunday night before nuit about half an hour in. I did that thing that I do. I'm like, when shows bore me, I began to Google one of the lesser actors down the Google rabbit hole of what they were. It was in big love. I did the same thing. And I said to myself, if I'm doing that in this show that means on board, then I asked myself judges only Sam. Why are you bored? I felt bad for being bored, but I was bored, and I said, how can this show with Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon and Laura Dern and Meryl Streep giving you performance. How can it be boring? And then it I just thought to myself, it's boring because it didn't need to be. There was no need for season two. Yeah, right. Yeah. I don't think you're wrong. I mean, I think that's the fundamental challenge of this season, as well as for the second season of things like fleabag and some other potentially one and done. Does the same thing with Russian doll for sure which was recently renewed for a second season. And I think that, that, that was the question. But what I like about it. What actually have really enjoyed these I to emphasise and what I enjoy about them is that I think freed from the mystery construct you really are just looking. At aftermath, and you're looking at character in a way, that's not constrained by having to protect one specific giant piece of information. And I think sometimes, sometimes the withholding is a really fun, part of a suspense story, or a mystery story that sometimes the withholding becomes tiresome and I think that's what I don't run into the season. So I feel a little bit more free to just be watching, you know, especially now that by the time, the second episode is over. There are kind of several secrets that have come out not just this big mystery secret. But also, the fact that Reese Witherspoon had an affair in the first season. The parentage of schilling Willie son is starting to come out people are starting to know that an as these secrets are revealed. I actually feel like you get a little freer acting from some of these women. I think she lean Woodley is more interesting this season so far than last season. I found her a little not that interesting last season. So maybe that's a a somewhat low. Far, but there have been a couple of scenes that are Reese, Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman just talking that I have found really lovely and thoughtful and human in a way that sometimes the first season was kind of poking fun, at them of them. I found that way about what the scene was Shaleen Woodley in Nicole Kidman, which could have been played for like shoe waters. Whatever for Katyn instead, I was like, oh, they just decided, you know, like they maybe disagreed on how that came out, right? But so with you, I guess, for me, a lot of the, those brooding silent scenes of the characters just looking off into the ocean, what they're glass of red wine. It feels repetitive for me because that happened in the first season, and I already feel like I know these characters like I don't need to have it explained to me more than Ikuo Kidman's character is an anguish over the abuse. I got that the first season like if anyone needs the development and the and the like exposure of who they are. It's Meryl Streep's character. But it feels as if they are. Table setting the main four again when we already really know these ladies and it's doing a disservice to these a Kravitz character was barely registered in the first season and his almost doing nothing almost literally doing nothing. Here, I think that give it how many characters and there are that I had back seem choppy is hell because if a scene lasted longer than forty seconds. It was it was rare and that, just we're, we're getting. But I do think that the addition of Meryl Streep spoiler alert. I mean, imagine this Meryl Streep. It's a good addition, she's great. She is so disapproving of characters who are worthy of disapproval eminently worthy of disapproval. I am missing the sense that the community around them finds them kinda repellent. All these women. I think that's a really good thing. I, I like it when recently when Reese Witherspoon kind of leans into the Tracy flick -ness of her character as somebody who's just sort of noxious. I think that's a lot of fun that miles away from Tracy from my think they've moved away from the kind of hyper competitiveness of the first season that these were a bunch. Of school. I achieving right school high-achieving sort of somewhat superficial school moms, and that under that glossy exterior lay all of these dark things. Right. I think now that, you know, all the dark things, they're sort of having to build them as just women. And I think that offers some advantages, but only, and, and some disadvantages and I think it's funny because I all of the critiques that have come out of everyone's mouth. I absolutely. Yeah. You with. I mean, what we're talking about is, if this particular collection of vignettes, and whatever appeals to you and it just for whatever reason it does again. Like the first you had a choppy, I of the second episode it's like setting up all of these little tiny little bits. And now we've got all these knots and it's like which one are we gonna pull tight? So I think we got to see what they're going to do with. Yes. There's not a ton of plot. But what they're what I did get out of it is some scenes that I was so happy to have. Gene. And I it's funny 'cause Glenn sort of said, go figure Meryl Streep is a good addition. But it's true that it's been awhile since I was kind of freshly startled by how good Meryl Streep. Yes, something. She grabs at crucifix. Precisely because I know she's so good. It's been awhile since I've just been like, oh, my gosh. Such a thrill because her first seen of one of the first scenes that she that, that you, you're kind of getting her established where she's talking about Madeleine. The Reese, Witherspoon character, and she just says these very odd things. And this is this is where I think the writing has been the strongest is in this. Yeah. Very related. Relationship between them very strange way that she talks about people that it's not your typical, it would be so easy to write. Insults about Reese Witherspoon 's character that would seem kind of obvious. But instead, she says something like I have generally found that short people are untrustworthy, right. And that leads to this great Reese, Witherspoon line when, when Mary Louise says to her, what held you up. What was your what problem were you having because she was late? And, and Reese, Witherspoon says, you know, the kind short people have or what emergency, right. The kind short people have. And it's just this, I love that dynamic between them, and they've been to them, like both of their mouth seem to be getting smaller in any scene. And it's like incredible way I could watching these women just walk out them sort of pick each other. Go ahead. Now can I lodge a larger frustration? Knew it show speaks to the right place. Big little lies season. Two is what happens when you let the fans be in charge the fans wanted season. Two. They wanted these women being bad ass women who wanted to. Of Meryl Streep coming back. And so then you end up with these first two episodes that are really just there to create gifts in memes for the fans online, when you have lower Dern saying, I will not, not be rich when you have her dance to like a Diana Ross pool when you have Reese, Witherspoon saying, I don't f ING care about homeless, people, these one liners meant to be consumed by the fans on the internet, and to keep their pop to my consumed actresses true, going feel, so, yes, exactly. We'll servicing the fans but not servicing the plot not service in the art. It's just felt like this was made for the internet fandom machine, and not for art's sake say star. I mean, describing all these things, and we were just kind of grinning, here. Hat here late because I feel like it looks it looks like a big little lies play. I know we're entering this age in which everything that's going to be made for us to consume is going to be made for the feedback loop the internet fandom. And I wonder sometimes is that affect the art. I'm sure that it does. But here's the thing, I mean, there's two reasons that I'm like I can get behind this. And you know, one is that if you're gonna do it at this high level, and not just in the game of thrones high level, like, here's a dragon coming with wings behind to Narus, if you're going to do this, at a at the high level of, you know, these little acting exercises between Meryl Streep and Reese, Witherspoon with the therapy sessions about the domestic violence. If you're gonna if you're gonna do it. Like that's actually for me. I'm like, okay. Well, that's real pieces of art. I think it's not big art. And then the second thing about it is, like, I think there's a lot of things get second third fourth fifth seasons. When is it? Like a bunch of frigging actresses, just being lady. Because someone needs to tell the Shrove owner of the show that the men on this show. Do not matter. Cannot be made to make. We'll never matter. Just get them out of there. Yeah. That's fine. Seems so pointless to me. Yeah. I just want to see the I just wanna see the women talk to each other one exception to the, the men on the show. Don't matter rule is in Armitage as Ziggy, who is sharing with Lee's son in the phrase, so good in the first season had so much to do. And now he's young Sheldon or whatever. Probably as role is probably gonna be Sheldon. He's also he also was like Broadway kid, who there are a bunch of YouTube videos of family. He's doing stuff. He is so good that kid and agree with you. The shaving Woodley. Character wasn't that interesting. But I do like how her character tries to hide her guilt. Shame behind bangs this season. I like that piece of heart. That's the kind of art, I'm here for you. Both glenn. I like about it. And I, I agree that the plot is rather soft at this point. And there's a lot more kind of character dynamic without a lot of plot pushing it forward, although I do think that things like Ed, the atom Scott character learning about the affair and I did not know his name was. Because the characters don't matter and ziggys parentage. And I think those things qualify somewhat as plot. And I also think they're playing a slightly, and I've seen I've seen the third episode as well. And I think they are playing this character of Mary Louise, what I like about her relationship with Nicole Kidman is there's kind of a slow burn. She clearly is kind of suspicious of what the circumstances of her son's death were she's learning more and more about it. And yet, at the same time, just as Celeste, chooses to kind of take Mary Louise slightly into her confidence. She realizes that it was a huge right egg. She is because Mary Louise says to her. I don't believe you. Yeah. And one of the things I very much admire about that scene as how Muslims than Merrill, street performances. She simply says, I don't believe you and I keep turning right? And I think that for sue. The last, that's the nightmare the nightmares. If I told anybody what happened. Yeah. And it begins to kind of justify this secret that they've been keeping if I told anybody, what happened, they would just say, I don't believe you, and I think seeing her nightmare actually happen with someone that she can't fully get out of her life, that was affecting to me. Can I ask jealou- question always? What do we make of Zoe Kravitz as characters mom? So I was going to ask that same question. Well, so first of all, I love listening. I love watching and looking and listening to crystal FOX, like she's an extraordinarily charismatic actress on the screen and same thing. Martin Donovan like it was good to see them. But there was a moment where they were walking in the redwoods, where I did feel that she was talking directly to the audience that may be complaining about this before where she was, like, why are you here? There are no. Nobody knows you like why are we here and there was like that was done? Bush had been asked until then make this poor character be the ones that actually commit the murder. Right. So a certain part of that, where I was outside of myself, and I just felt seen the thing that's amazing. To me is there's a ton of potential sort of exploration of the factor. Sometimes lack character among all these white women. They haven't touched it much, right there. Also there there's a writer named Kate young who on, on Twitter, this morning was saying, are you really telling me that the black woman's mother does magic? Right. Which is right? Right. Sara leads best like she sort of comes in and is into like magical objects. And they knew that she just didn't do that. She came up in Zoe Kravitz is room at night, resuls ran her hands over her sleepy bye. That was very much like I know a lot of black mothers ran the lot. A lot ever have seen one. Do that. I think when you have mostly white women one black character whose mother comes in and suddenly is trying to sort of do some sort of magic great unknown origin or spirituality of kind of culturally, non-specific origin, which, as far as I know it is, maybe it's not. And I just didn't recognize it. But I think you have to with a mostly white show, feel a little bit suspicious, exactly doing and like for season. One Zoe Kravitz being this black character who never spoke about race was okay with me because she's kind of that woman. Who is entirely hung up on talking about issues of race. So when her character didn't do that I was like five, but if you're going to bring in a dark skinned black mama race he's in to you better. Do it right. I think the trick to it is, if they're going somewhere with it with the idea than the one black woman is the one who kind of became imperilled in this situation because she was directly responsible for him dying, right? And then they all kind of rush into protect her, and she wanted up saying, I'm actually not happy that you read that there is a lot there. And if they're going to get to it, and then that's potentially really interesting. But they haven't gotten to it yet, and I nothing about this has super inspired confidence. Well, I mean this to me speaks to the servicing of the fans that has happening with the show. It's all about getting that moment of the black mama running the crystals over Zoe Kravitz his body. It's the gif writes the me, it's not about whether actually works or not is. Giving you this moment that can be just lived through its fans over and over online. This is a show lacking in plot, but full chock full of internet, viral moments maybe, but with, like a lot of kitchen islands that are. I could use a new. I would like to do. Topi you I am super curious to hear what all of you think about big little lies if you watched the first season if you're watching this season, what do you think is it working for you? How do you feel about Meryl Streep? Find us on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash PCH, or tweet us at PCH that brings us to the end of our show. You can follow berry at B Hardiman and Sam at Sam Sanders. Thanks so much to both of you guys for being here. You're very welcome. Thank you very much. And thank you for listening to pop culture. 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GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 155: The Invisible Man Wears Prada

GSMC Movie Podcast

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GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 155: The Invisible Man Wears Prada

"Can't decide and torn between a romantic comedy action or an Indie film to watch for the weekend. Well WELL GOLDEN STATE MEDIA CONCEPTS LOU. View. Podcast is your ultimate guide to the latest movies. Join us as we dissect. The latest on the blockbusters. It's the Golden State Media Concept's movie podcast Hello Welcome to the TSMC MOVIE. Podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I am your host Keith. And this is my co host. Cynthia Hey guys why did you say like hey guys you said that? I needed to be the one to bring me energy so I'm just bringing a very specific type at different energy today now. I told you too late night. Dj Energy always going to say. I was listening to your late night voice. I it's funny. Feel free to call in to our hotline to. Oh my God about what really grinds your gears. Many things okay. Let's start off Keith. I want you to share with the people what happened over the weekend. Because it's kind of funny Kinda sucks. I don't know if I'd call it funny in any capacity a so you know how like your kneecap is supposed to be in one spot on your leg right. Have you ever had it not be? And that's but almost yeah but no okay so mine definitely was not in that spot for a brief moment on Sunday Aka. I dislocated my knee kneecap while playing adult softball out because I am a coordinated. Athletic individual over six four are wait now over six foot two. I'm six four so anyway. Yeah dislocated KNEECAP. I was GonNa wait to show you the pictures until we were like on air pictures of the dislocated kneecap by the way. So just so. Y'All know it went out and went right back here and it's not like it was out and I was like oh my kneecap is not in place. I'm going to take a picture. Ll like crap. My kneecap is not where it's supposed to be straining my leg out and hope it goes back to where it should and it did. But the bruising on it is gnarly yeah it is it is a almost looked like when you first showed me the picture. It looks like you fell off a motorcycle for some reason. That's thought like elmo's got scrapes. But those are like your blood. I wish we could show them. It's like you don't link. They don't WanNa see that some may do. We just need to put like Lincoln. The show right Lincoln this show notes like and have like a tab open. Are you over the age of eighteen just to make sure yeah? Sure no definitely. I've seen bruising like this on several different injuries I love football. So sometimes footballers will post like. Oh this is what it looks like when you get rocked by safety across the metal but like I duNno. It usually looks like this but I did not do anything near as cool as like catch a football down in a game. Where like you know. I was getting paid millions of dollars to do it. It was like me and some people that I know and like playing softball and I swung the Bat and my knee bent awkwardly and I not only hated my knee. I sprained my ankle at the same time so on the same leg. Yellow say well of course on the same like now I was I. As as we've mentioned my girlfriend is Nazim certified so she just studied a bunch of this stuff and like you're also Nasim certified. You are familiar. My Ankle. Mobility IS NONEXISTENT. And my feet. My feet are all sorts of funked. Up bunked yes like I had A. I had bunions at some point. We had a conversation about this before I've been wearing shoes. That were too small and my feet are weird so anyway. All that to say I've had a lot of lower body issues for the last like three to four months which have been all very frustrating. So I've been pretty much perpetual limping on one side or the other for the last like three months literally the last three months I it was my left leg and then it was my right leg and then for a brief moment both legs. Both feet hurt pretty badly and then that went away for about two weeks and then came back for about a week and then a few days later this happened so all that to say. Stay IN SHAPE PEOPLE. If you go to the gym regularly keep going and not only just going to jump stretching. Also that stret- stretching stretching strip Kahin such stretching that I say we're not familiar with with is stretching similar to the yoga I mean that's a form of stretching. There's like I mean not to get too like to listen to all those you can go to my health and wellness podcast. Advice shameless plug. We're GONNA put Hashtag shameless plug in the. I know just so just so you guys know where to find me about speculative science fiction and philosophy of storytelling. And you could go listen to my podcast on science fiction. Another shameless shameless plug right. So doing that exactly. But actually yoga can be a form of stretching. If you don't like to just like hold a stretch. Aka like static stretching when hold Dave. You don't like doing that. You Could Do Yoga Aka to frequently have we are maybe you have. I don't know nine this non. Today's show okay. Well I'M GONNA go back and listen to a hold on one second K. Totally went back and listen to. It didn't just pause for a second. I didn't hear US US Aka. Just feels like we're using it too often also. That was pretty funny. My look right now. You gave me what I was like. I'm going to pause this and listen to it. Well you're not GonNa do that absolutely not. We don't have time not time now. We gotTa talk about this new movie. That just came out. Sonic the hedgehog which I finally saw way. Did you know you are so rude? Wow okay ever. I am really for all of the new listeners. Keith okay. We talked about this movie back in December. Do you remember that like the first time we mentioned? The movie aren't the hedgehog. We mentioned on the characters. Yeah we talked about in December. This movie you guys came out. In February he had two months to prep from December to February to figure out a day to go watch this movie because he's been raving about his say how excited he's GonNa go see it. And what day is it today? Well actually March fourth is March fourth and a month later and you still have not seen. I'm kind of disappointed. I'm sorry I didn't mean to disappoint you. It's okay disappointed but but I want to hear your opinion on this because he were super height. I I I'm sure you still are but I'm probably GONNA hate it. That's usually how things go from me. If I'm really excited about something I end up sitting down watching it and being like. Why was I ever excited about this in the first place? Also why do I ever get excited about anything because everything just lets me down? Maybe you know what you just gotTa go into things with the expectations that I'm GonNa down so yeah exactly because if you have too high expectations and they're not mad until you get down you're disappointed. Yeah he's just gotTa go with the flow and joy that's my motto in Life Man. Okay I try to live by that. I will do my best to go into it with a reasonable expectations that I will not need or that. I won't be blown away and that it will just be a decent an enjoyable movie and that will probably still disappoint me because I wanted to blow me away and I I just. I can't mccaw those expectations. I don't know how you can possibly do that. Daddy can yeah. It's just let loose a Mike. All right let's just see what this is about just a flying Spaghetti Monster Spaghetti Monster. I was thinking like fairy for some reason when you did that. Right now. Wave my arms around in China. I almost record these because they needed like see are expressions and like the weird things that go on behind gesture and really surprised about how like there are times will almost an entire podcast without even looking at each other. Okay because funny. 'cause like what. I I applied when we started doing these that I did district. They were like. Don't look at me when I did when I did the addition because I was co hosting with Sarah Sarah's our boss. She hosts several other. Gmc podcasts. She's awesome. But I looked at her while I was practicing. And she's like don't look at me. You don't look at your co host so I have a really. Oh actually with the fact that like you're right here and it's like yeah actually that's back for one is also like just talking into the mic. So I that makes sense. I had that same issue as well with my Audition talking to her and I was facing because I'm having a conversation with I'm trying to make eye contact the same thing she's like you don't look at me like okay so if I feel like we do a pretty good like when I not speaking kind of turn and then vice versa but anyway this is not really related to movies talking about other things. What yeah no literally nine minutes in like ten minutes and why would we stop now about why I just talking about things? No but some things are finding a mention. Because you're saying like how our voices I I wonder what people kind of visualize as as review. I'm Super I. I don't know I needed to see I didn't see no but have you heard of this show. It's on Netflix. It's new love is blind. Oh my it's supposed to be like like Unorthodox yes unorthodox way of like dating and like it's people who go into these dates never see each other and fall in love with never ever laying eyes on fall in love it's definitely not potentially scripted. Because it definitely isn't a reality show like people who think the bachelor Israel like the batch right ninety nine percent scripted and it's just hilarious. How effectively they can like script or 'cause sleeping. I love reality. Tv I'm a sucker for reality TV. I know you. I have a group of people. I watched the bachelor with hate it. Okay I don't like the Bachelor I like this is not the TV podcast. But we'll mention it is luck no just growing up growing up. I watched very inappropriate. Shows like bad girls club which is like Oh my God okay as supplant MTV and it's pretty much all these crazy girls into a house and they just start conflict the whole point of the show. Is they fight each other and like throw throw their stuff and like in the pool and like literally Omega You. It's it's quite hilariously. Tv Oh for sure. But it's like as such an important part of my childhood okay. Well I think we've covered enough stuff. We can actually get to the subject matter. I know we kind of went like on five different like topics right now. That sounds like a great TV show. And I do want to talk more about it. Maybe Fair but let's get to the first thing that we can talk about for movies right after this commercial break. Want to know the latest and hottest music hitting the airwaves. Dot left out. Listen to the golden state media concepts music podcasts. G keeps you on the loop with everything you need to know from hip hop top flooring and we'll throw in news of your favorite artists con certain tour dates and so much more listener further because this is the gold standard in using podcast guys and welcome back to. Gsm see movie podcast. I Know I love you. I know that's why like Kinda like laugh because look at you. I thought you were going to like. You're waiting you have the stance right now. The position is like I'm ready to jump in and interrupt so that's I would like waiting for it but not this time. Well thank you. I hope you all enjoyed the first twelve minutes of talking about your so. Welcome by the way nothing. Oh yeah thanks to everybody listening you. Welcome for twelve minutes of wonderful conversation period. That's a moving on moving is so we're talking about trailer this week for a movie that. I'm super excited about are you actually? Yeah we talked about it. We talked about this movie. A few weeks ago did we. I'm pretty sure we mentioned it in like things that we were excited for next year. The invisible man. I think we mentioned it. I may have mentioned on the SCIFI podcast regardless super-hype on this movie. I saw with my friends. I am so happy. You said that I'm actually surprised because I feel like you're such a tough critic when it comes to trailers we mentioned this. You have high expectations and when they're not may yet high standards than your often since yes. Okay okay. No well so. I'm actually really surprised but in a good way that you're saying you're excited to see the invisible man because I am too and so far critics are loving it. The reviews are great. All the trailers incredible. It's like so you guys so much. Anxiety REFUND. Oh it's okay. Let's watered it down the second trailer that they made for it. They watered it down a little bit but the first trailer was like. I'm on the edge of my seat like what's happening. Is We biasing this for the same one because I literally? I don't like when scenes especially in like horror thriller films like when there's just dead silence like that brings too much anxiety. I have to like leary. When I'm like watching a movie I feel like cover. My Eyes Ball leaves a little playful like I said. I'm not like huge like horror fan film but I'm so excited to see the invisible man. This is for sure one. I WanNa see in theaters. I'M GONNA go probably sometime this week and watch it so I am really excited about it. I've been excited about it since I heard it was coming out. Yeah okay so the invisible man for those of you have never heard of this movie a just released. February twenty eighth so Sordi out. Yeah it's already out and I'm going to share with the GUY's a synopsis of this horror movie and it goes a cray. Scientists uses his power to become invisible to stock and terrorize ex-girlfriend. When CECELIA's abusive acts takes his own life and leaves her his fortune. She suspects his death was a hoax. As a series of coincidences turned lethal. Cecilia works to prove that she is being hunted by someone someone. Nobody can see. So her ex boyfriend's trying to kill her right visible. I think that's part of it. So if you watch the trailer the condition to her receiving his fortune which like it's not his entire fortune if you look at the dudes house in the movie as he lawyers like you're gonNA receive five hundred thousand dollars like different trailers. They may have changed the amount. I'm not because I didn't see that regardless the he says it's conditional upon you being proven to be saying because yeah that's what the lawyer says in the meeting so the point is that he puts this like carrot in front of her. Like you're going to get all this money if you stay sane and then he apparently is invisible and does things to terrorize her. And I don't think that he's actually 'cause he was visibly killer and be done with it. I think the point is more like the psychological warfare. I the control and abuse that he can levy on her. Which in thinking about it. That's pretty twisted movie premise And I feel Kinda bad for being super excited about watching an abusive relationship be played out in some sort of weird like controller ish fantasy but it just seems like an interesting premise. Mostly just like it. Because I'm a huge fan of the original short story. The invisible man by H G wells in this more like modern day interpretation and telling of it seems really intriguing. So there's a pryor movie it's not like the early nineteen hundreds called the invisible man. How did you did you? How did you even get a hold of that book? I will republish things that come out too. Yeah so like I love. I'm I'm super nerd so like I. I've read that book. It's pretty good you should. I mean it's really short. You could probably get through it. I mean I don't want you know when it comes to books like I love to read as well but I can't read fiction for some reason if it comes to a story that's fiction. I have to watch it. You know what I'm saying like I'm more facial didn't original like a film based on the original invisible man they may have the top of my head so but as definitely worth looking into the invisible man is also a character in a series of comic books and he's based off of the same character that H. G. Wells wrote so that's all pretty cool so who directed this movie so the director is lay. No told him singing his name. Right lay will know he. Are there ago? You added more pizzazz to that. Before the W. Lay Hornell. He also directed other horror. Movies like insidious and saw so part of reason. Why and extra excited right man me too. I mean I think I've seen insidious and saw I don't know which one city is. I don't remember I feel like they're almost all kind of the same to me or maybe my eyes are shut for half the movie. That don't remember it. 'cause I'm just like that terrified. I wouldn't be surprised if they were a similar plotline. Right torture Torture the psychological horror aspect for sure and the cast includes Elizabeth Moss Oliver Jackson Cohen. Harry Dyer aldis Hodge Storm Reid and others but those are the main characters so who overall were both? It seems super exciting to watch this movie. I didn't realize that it just came out theaters but now that I know I'm going to have to make time for it because I am definitely intrigued. I think I'm more interested in because I was reading reviews in Everyone's just loving it and it's really hard. I feel like when it comes to the genre of horror. It's really hard to be highly rated because there's so many elements to what makes a good horror movie one not just that but like usually it's very linear and there's certain things that you're going to expect and the tropes are pretty standard so it's kind of hard to deviate from that original like equation of Nixon commercially successful horror films. It's not often that you're gonNA run into something that does something or a movie. That does something really interesting. Because that's just not usually in the Mo of people who are making horror films that make sense that make. Yeah I don't I'm pretty pumped pretty well on rotten tomatoes right. It is ninety one percent. I I know that's not like the best to you. Trust right I ninety also I had like a five minute diatribe where I hated on rotten tomatoes but I still wanted to include a just. We could see some people. Think of it as being a place where you can find wide. I know a lot of my friends. I go a lot of people in general Goto on tomatoes to look at review. So that I mentioned it. I personally don't but I just I don't trust any large market reviewing agency or group because I think those results are always going to be kind of tainted sulfur. Sure Yeah plus usually when a lot of people like something? I have a tendency to not like it not only on principle but because it raises my expectations of the thing that people liked it and then I feel like yeah I feel weird and alienated when I don't like it because it's like everybody else like. Why doesn't Keith Lock it? What makes those special? It's like I I just didn't like it guys. It's okay for me to be. It's an opinion. Yeah it's an opinion what's funny. I thought I saw somewhere that like. This movie was not expected to do well like when I first started looking up trailers for it like back in last year it was actually hard to find a trailer for it. It was not like readily available and I think that I don't know what studio is distributing it but it definitely was not like top of mind for people as like a blockbuster movie so I think that they did like a a reassessment of like the marketing approach in all of those things prior to like Irwin. They got closer to the release time because they were trying to like. Turn a buck on it. So we'll see how that goes hopefully. Hopefully it does well for him. I know we shall see. I'm definitely trying to see this movie. Not sure when I tell my list for sure and let's move onto another topic here. What else are we talking about this week? Well this is a lengthy one that I'm super excited for so I found this really cool article and it showed all of these super interesting FACS. The behind the scenes of how this iconic movie was put together the Devil Wears Prada. I sure hands down when my favorite movies of all time I think it's because Meryl Streep like I'm a huge Meryl Streep Fan and as well Anne hathaway like I just. I don't know I really really liked the doors product. There's so many I'm planning favorites. Said you've said in the past that you are a big fan of like action movies. I am fan of action movies. I'd say that's one of my favorite genre for sure but the Devil Wears Prada. I mean obviously is dead. Fleet not action nuts fashion And I don't know I just think I I like the story line. I like the actors in the movie all the a plus a plus and like I like the story line like I feel like there's not that many movies out there that are centered around the like the Fashion Industry magazine industry. And like I dunno I again I just for some reason divorce. Prada is like a movie. That's always I can watch that movie over and over again and never get sick of it. But that's not to say that there's other or does because action movies are John Laura I don't know you can like other things right right. That's so sometimes say but we'll get more into that discussion. Read it to the commercial break. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than our podcast. Bliss with endless hours of podcast Harvard's from news sports music fashion cooking entertainment fantasy football and so much more. So stop looking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that podcast whatever. It may be visit us. Www Dot M. C. podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download tunes soundcloud and Google play Hello and welcome back to DMC movie. Podcast WE'RE GONNA get straight into all of these interesting facts things you never knew about the divorce product because we have a lot of interesting facts for you guys so get ready and listen up first things first. This movie. is based on a true story. So the movie is based on a book written by Lorne Wise Burger Which? She was the former assistant to the editor in Chief of Vogue magazine on a winter tours sounds familiar sees the editor editor. And she just said I was trying to like currently yeah currently currently base for awhile. Yes she's she's a no G. Like when you think of on a tour His dog so that's the one thing that's a lot of these facts. I'm going to bring up. I well actually all of these facts. I didn't know any. So that's I wanted to share it on today's podcast. I'm sure I know there's many people out there who also loved this movie. All of my friends like we all really liked this movie. And I know this would be some interesting things that a Lotta people would enjoy. And then the next thing is many studios fought over the rights to the book so before the book at the shelves and two thousand and three many studios were fighting over the rights to turn it into a movie originally at the time. The book only had two hundred pages. Ah I know a lot right. That's GonNa feel so good you're like I'm only one hundred pages in people are already like. We WanNa make dating right. He like are like truly believe in The Bronx right and so Fox is the studio that ended up getting the rights for the movie busy. Now Yeah Now Disney. Disney owns like everyone's life at this point yet the probably get busted up by the Supreme Court. But that's neither here nor there right. We'll see yeah So that was something that also really interesting But again not surprised because the movies amazing and highly says it's really surprising that only a hundred pages in and they're like we WANNA buy the rights. We want to buy the right so great. Okay next thing first of all. I didn't even ask you Keith. Have you seen the Devil Wears Prada? Of course I have three little sisters no I I've seen I three. I know I knew had one Haley right. That's where we're we're going to be good friends okay. I got three little sisters but that's good to know. Yes Oh okay I just had a check that you watch trusted Mandis. Yes they're regatta. Oh Yeah I should go okay. Sorry about that no no. You're good necks interesting fact casting miranda priestly. Kids was extremely difficult. So if you guys remember in the movie Miranda priestly had twins as her daughters and the crew went through hundreds of twins before they found the right pair of the rules and I thought this was kind of interesting. 'cause I always on the back of my mind how they move we or casting crews are able to find Like twins that are actors especially children. That are twins actors. So I don't know that's why I really like learning or going in the behind the scenes of how movies are put together and made and that's why I'm like just super excited talk about all of these interesting facts but you know he's wanted to include that their next interesting thing here. So Thomas Lennon was originally offered the role of Nigel. Who's Nigel so Nigel is the Guy So Anne? Hathaway's character her. Name's Andy. Nigel is the guy who also works in that magazine company with their and is like her best. St Like helping her out a okay in the movie. It's the bald guy. Okay so a Thomas Lennon. So he's like he is A. He does a lot of comedy and I felt like he would have been perfect for this rule. Just because he's super expressive. I can't think off the top of my mind right now. What other like movies and shows he's been on 'cause he's been in many but he added turned down the offer To play the role of Nigel because he was also filming Reno. Nine eleven are nine one one nine nine comedy show. I don't know if you've ever seen it now. I feel like that's I've seen like I don't know have you say Jeffs or gifts gifts. I know areas. I think that's where I've seen him And then another interesting thing here that I love. This made me like Meryl Streep even more so originally Meryl Streep refuse to play the role of Miranda priestly. Unless they raised her salary she said. Show me the money before I show up to work okay so I thought that was like an France. Them movie really liked for sure. It wasn't for her performance. Like we're probably not talking about this today. We'll actually the director's also said that when they originally were like thinking of like Khuda casten as Miranda priestly this had a has to be meryl streep like no one else came to mind her. So that's good sense. She said pay me more. Show me the money. Show me the Zeros at the end of the check. I now show up to set tomorrow so I loved that and then another interesting fact here. The team wanted Rachel. Make Adams to play and hathaway's role of Andy so Rachel Make Adams right after her major strings at capital one commercial lady is that rush. You know she's in a notebook and mean girls. Yes yes she. She's the capital one. She says what's in your no. She's that's her. That could be someone that looked like Patna. It's definitely hurt. Okay I'll take your word for it So Yeah Rachel McAdams I. I felt like that would have been a good pick as well as Andy. And hathaway's character Anne Hathaway Pat me too now that I've seen Anne hathaway and like her dynamic with Meryl Streep I don't Know Rachel. Make Adams would have will not just that. I dislike. Hathaway's actress better do you. Yeah I mean like imagining Rachel McAdams had played Ma'am Alter Nova instead of athlon. No no she is. The princess of the Princess Diaries period. Yeah so but I would have been interesting. I don't know it's always just like I always like to do. So if oh what is what is what. If Sean Connery had played Gandalf Lord of the rings like he never watched Lord of the Rings. Oh well they originally went after Sean Connery for the role of Gandalf rings in it definitely changed the narrative ally how the stories told and then next thing so to prepare for the role and hathaway volunteered as an assistant like real life. 'cause in the movie she plays wrote. Assistant of Meryl Streep's character right so for and to get that real life experience She volunteered at an auction house. As an assistant I don't know for how long but she did that to get more into character and then next thing a little interesting fact here In the devil wears product. This was the third time ands characters. Best friend was named Lily. So if you remember in movies like Ella enchanted and the Princess Diaries her best friend Yay right. Though her best named Luis which okay sidetrack a little bit? I always think you know how in sports there's stats for every single player team coach etc for anything. It's crazy to me how there's like a stat for this like how many best friends aren't hathaway. Have they lily? Like who takes note of these things so I thought that was pretty comical when I when I first read those who like keeps up who keeps tracks of these things Who's WHO's been chartering. This data to to see right so as I was just like super random to me next thing here. The team struggled to find an apartment in Manhattan to us as the set of Miranda's home. So obviously we know New York super crowded Ultimately the town house that was used as Miranda Priestly. How home belonged to a friend of the producer. So that's where the location was shy wherein all the shots of Miranda's home were in the producers friend's house. Oh Wow so. That's pretty cool. Yeah they probably saved a lot of money on the budget. They're speaking of budget. I'm actually GONNA go to my very last thing here but we'll don't worry there's more. They actually had a very low budget to work with throughout the film like so low to the point that the crew didn't fly Meryl Streep out to Paris and in the movie. If you guys see A lot of the earth towards the end of the movie there certain scenes that are filmed in pairs and Anne hathaway and Not Thomas Lennon a Stanley to chief. He plays Nigel. They actually were flown out to Paris and film there and all of the scenes that seem like Meryl Streep Is. They're they're actually shot in the. Us Data Fly Middle Street. They don't they didn't fly Meryl Streep because they thought she'd be too expensive to fly out to Paris so became a thing like we would send Cynthia to this place but like we know that she's too expensive. I well she did say. I'm playing this movie unless you give me. You know the money right so regardless the film's budget was forty one million dollars and it went on to earn three hundred twenty six million in box office sales it just impacts office holy cow die so they earned almost eight times. What it costs to make then vice. It's crazy I know so. It's just crazy like the very low budget. They had which I'm surprised at a very low budget for this film But I just makes it even more impressive with you know. I mean the outcome. The movies great so I. I'm very very pleased with everything. 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Those people have a pretty they issue with doing all right let. Let's finish up these things. These people did not know about the divorce product. I just got a few more here. And they're all super interesting by the way I hope so. I hope saw like these are like I said I like learning the behind. The scenes of how movies put together and so the cost of the costumes was one million dollars. That's wow so that. They spent pretty pretty pretty penny a big portion of their budget on just costumes but I mean that makes sense. They has to do with fashion So they obviously need the characters all to look their best fifty Patricia field was was the designer for all the outfits and all the pieces came for major designers. Like Valentino. Prada of course and on speaking Valentino. Valentino was the only designer who made an appearance in the movie so which was actually kind of shocking for me to find out because again. This is a movie about fashion. You would think oh aware in Paris. You know it's kind of like roll out of fashion. Designers are located as well. You would think they would invite other designers on the show on the movie. But here's why Some speculate. There's all speculation that. Anna wintour threatened those designers to ban any designers who made an appearance from being featured in the pages of vogue. Right WHY WOULD ANNA? Wintour do that. I don't know that's what I'm saying. That's awesome in the movie cheesy and a winter is right to meryl shape is playing and it's supposed to be like yes. She's so she probably feels some type of way like oh like so again. It's all speculation. I could understand her being a little upset about right. Lightning imagine if someone wrote a movie and it was like it's about this person who worked for you and you happen to be the worst person on the planet right that would suck right enduring about me in the story. No almost absolutely not. I know it makes total sense so It's not one hundred percent confirmed and it would make sense because literally. Valentino was the only one who showed up and then last but not least is actually something really Meryl. Streep didn't try to impersonate in a winter. Rather Clint Eastwood so she didn't like call Anna wintour up and follow you around for all right. Let me see what your day to day. I interview people who knew her thing right. No absolutely not which dot kind of like threw me for a loop. Because you would think Oh. I'm playing a life or playing the role of this person. I should based on a write up. It's based on a book about you and no contact with their. What's wherever? She says? She tried to impersonate Clint Eastwood. And this is what Meryl Streep had to say. The voice I got from Clint Eastwood he never ever ever raises his voice and everyone has to lean into listen and he is automatically the most powerful person in the room. Which is I mean. Have you seen movie starring? Clint Eastwood Probably. I don't remember I can't think of like I just watched one recently. Actually it's on net flicks. I can't think of the name of the movie the top of my head right now but I love Clint Eastwood as well. And it's true like he's very like softspoken But stirring at the same time. Well he does all those cowboy movies right. Probably part of like the the point of that is that he's like the antithesis to the villain who's like this loud boisterous. I'm trying really hard to pay attention to me. And then Clint Eastwood Walks in. And it's like I don't know like the silent and silent protagonist just like right right so. I thought that was interesting. Oh totally someone. I would've never in a millionaire is imagine she would try to kind of copy so I thought it's really acting as truly art. It really is. It's it's so amazing. I'm just so like amazed by it all and speaking of actors and actresses and acting Since we're on this like kick of talking about the devil wears product which is like one of the highlights of Meryl Streep's career. I wanted to kind of like bring up another film. That Meryl Streep was was Had A pretty pivotal role in In that movie is called adaptation it stars her and Nicholas Cage mainly so. I assume you have not seen this film now yet. I already knew I we. We watched the trailer which like a lot of the movies that I really love. The trailer does not make sense. Yeah I'm always loved with a big question mark. I'm like what's not clicking for me like I know and it's supposed to do that because ultimately that's what these movies are about is about questioning things so that's kind of what you'd like to do. Really so adaptation is the search the plot synopsis this so while his latest movie being John. Malkovich is in production. Screenwriter Charlie Kaufman is hired by Valerie. Thomas to adapt Susan Orleans nonfiction book the orchid thief Ford as screenplay. Thomas bought the movie rights before. Orlan wrote the book when it was only an article in the New Yorker. The book details the story of Rare Orchid Hunter John Laroche whose passion for orchids and horticulture made Orlan discover passion and beauty for the first time in her life. Charlie wants to be faithful to the book and his adaptation but despite Laroche himself being an interesting character in his own right. Charlie's having difficulty finding enough material in Laroche to fill a movie while equally. Not Having enough to say cinematic but the beauty of orchids at the same time. Charlie's going through other issues in his life. His insecurity is a person doesn't allow him to act upon his feelings for Amelia Kvant. Who is interested in him as a man and Charlie's twin so it's definitely like complex and like weird. The relationships between characters are kind of difficult to understand in jumps. Around in the timeline of like the film overall so like one moment. You're at this point in the story and the next year at this point in the story and then it goes back so like it definitely gets a little confusing and then there are like sequences that are supposed to be like not real if I remember correctly but they feel real so it's hard to kind of like know exactly what's happening. It's definitely one of those like I dunno intellectual people movies what I would call it. This is a movie that like. You can't be like on your phone like those movies. It's like playing the background spell. Keep up background movie. This is Kinda like eternal China. The spotless mind it's kind of like along those same lines where it's like it's very you have to be engaged with it in order to know what's going on which I really appreciate. I'm a big fan of stuff like that. Which is part of why like this movie came out in two thousand and two and I think that it's just a really good movie. It kind of examines creative struggle that individuals face. And it's also got like a whodunit mystery. That forces the viewer to reexamine what they believe to be important and how individuals value themselves. So there's definitely a lot to be had in this movie and I really really enjoy it. Meryl Streep is excellent as usual and the guy who plays the orchid hunter who plays John. Laroche is also. He's a riot so that's Super Fun and Nicholas Cage is Nicholas Cage in. He pretty much like everything right. Yeah he's Pretty. He's he's a good actor he he gets the job done he does. He Does Nicholas Cage a budget matthew mcconaughey acting as like a budget. I don't know I'm trying to think of a better actor than Matthew mcconaughey. There's a lot of them anyway. There's a lot to say the man say I mean come on how many Lincoln commercials to off to watch like getting money. Check sort of ice fishing out of the back of a Lincoln. Oh No I was dying so I think that they're just leaning hard into like the museum culture surrounding anyway topic here. I recommend this movie. You should check it out. I think it's pretty good. It met my expectations. So those are high. We all know that. Yeah Yeah so you should check it out and let me know your thoughts. Check it out and let me know were. I don't know I just wasn't like that. I think that the trailer didn't do it for me. Personally I understand but I I like some people have good taste and some people have bad taste. Oh like that will happen. To us and opinion it is just an opinion. It's also just some people's back I could say you have bad taste because you don't like beyond say that is bad taste out on the music. Actually I know so you guys are GonNa WanNa hear us have a huge discussion. Now we're about to get into the music podcast right now. Just kidding we right. Okay should've kept that. I would have tried to sit it out for as long as I can. 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Death Becomes Her

The Bechdel Cast

1:22:30 hr | 11 months ago

Death Becomes Her

"Hey everybody today's episode is sponsored by the New Mazda C X Thirty you know Robert this past December when I was out in California for the Mazda things. So I got a chance to try out the X. Thirty on a road trip from palm desert to San Diego and I was riding along with someone all you listeners might know miles grave from our cousin podcasts the daily Zeitgeist. Uh so miles and I each took a turn driving through the mountains along the way and we both got. To experience the terrain the awesome occasionally Olympics Mons like desert landscape the those mountains in southern California. Really something else is beautiful country, but we got to do it as both driver and the passenger since we traded off in about halfway through, and we also got a great feel for the features that make the Mazda C X thirty really stand out in its class. You can check out the new theory yourself at Mazda USA, dot com slash Iheart, or see it in person at your local Mazda dealership. Have, you had that dream where you're trying to take your business remote and it's super confusing. But then you hear bondage ad for their team remote experts that you can just call and they can put a plan together to your business can easily work from anywhere and on top of that the even sort you out with a video API that you can use to build video into your apps and websites have you ever had that dream? Well no that's an actual real thing that you can do. You don't need to get into REMM sleep to make your business communication dreams come. True. All you need to do is call. Now talking. On the Cast questions asked movies have women are all the discussions boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism Patriarchy's Ethin- vast start changing with Dell? Hello and welcome to the Bechtel cast my name's Jamie Loftus my name's Caitlin. Durante and this is our podcast about, yeah. ooh Fee and intersectional look at our favorite movies and your favorite movies not always our favorite movie sometimes movies we hate. Eight other types of movies we loved but not this one not today's movies. Okay. So we are so pity members of our Patriot AK matron will recognize this as a previous maitree unreleased episode we are unlocking and episode to get you all hyped up for a horror in October this year. So we're unlocking our death becomes her episode, and one of the reasons we're doing that because we have been really busting our asses getting the horror movies together for this year and it's GonNa. Be An amazing. October, we've got the descent. We've got us. We've got a girl walks home alone at night we've got what's the fourth Pan's labyrinths. For it yeah. There we have an amazing October lined up for you mostly directors we have uncovered before. So look forward to that, and this is just a fun episode. Yes, and one of our shorter ones we've been releasing like two hour episodes lately in this one clocks pretty pretty short. So give ourselves too much of a pat on the back, but listeners will know we live in southern California and the air is batteries. So fact that we are recording to episodes that have enough you know. It's It's a miracle. It's a miracle that we're still producing a podcast in this economy. Can you imagine? Oh Yeah. So so we are unlocking a matron episode today but as an extra treat four our matrons. If, you're already a member or if you don't know our matriarch and gives you to bonus episodes a month with just caitlin and myself talking about movies on I'd weird theme that we pick that never makes sense theme. You mean amazing incredible outstanding theme that everybody loves all the time. Right now it's it September, which is Driven sports movies with it in the title that's your name for it. I ever or is sport timber it, which is the same thing female driven sports movies with it in the title but stick with it. But in any case, what we for five bucks a month, you can get all of those episodes third I think almost eighty bonus full length bonus episodes in our matriarch. And this is only this is one of the first ones we've ever unlocked, but for a bonus on top of the bonus. For Our matrons this month we're also going to be unlocking are titanic live read that we did to benefit junior high l. a. last month of. One of I think the collapse of the century, some of your favorite guests and US reading the entire script from titanic it's a it's four hours long so long it's longer than the movie guests like Princess Weeks who was on the show just last week Maggie may fish. Lindsay Alice can use mobely who's going to be on the show next week there's just we so many wonderful guests and more and so we'll be unlike not for our matrons and one last plug before we get into the show. We, had so much fun doing a live read with with everybody and I think it was over three hundred listeners that were with us that night. Watching in like interacting with us live, we're going to be doing it again next Friday September twenty. Four the movie. Wait for it why? We're doing live radio twilight I like to call it a live reading slash roasting alive bloodsucking. To celebrate Robert Pattinson 's recovery from covid nineteen. We're reading twilight No, but we we are. We are going to be reading it. tickets will be live today or tomorrow. So keep your eye on our social media. For that there's going to be donation based way to do it because we are benefitting a local candidate that we are really excited about in. Our area named Fatima Ball. Zubeir she is running for state representative against an incumbent cop and she's amazing and we love her so much. So will be listing information on how to get access to that broadcast, which will be on the twenty fifth on our social media. Basically, you'll donate to Fatima send us the receipt. We'll get you the link. It's easy. And you know we're GonNa be I'm going to be Edward. Kaelin can be Bella it is what it is I can't believe. I'M GONNA, buy a wig I think and our guests are going to be on a host. Charene, Lana Eunice, Kerama Danquah, and future guests on the show just Merwin. So it is going to be simply time. You will be posting about it incessantly, but we wanted to let you know about it now. So yeah keep your eye out for that indeed, and then one last thing about this episode in particular since we we recorded it we released it about a year ago if I'm not mistaken for last October. Yes. So you might have noticed in recent months where UNIN ongoing pursuit an effort to eliminate any language from our vocabulary that is ablest and disparaging of mental illness, and this is we're talking like pretty common stuff that is still very widely used expressions like and I'm going to say them to let you know maybe what you should also try to eliminate from your vocabulary vocabulary. So things like that's crazy. Or that was insane or even like that's so dumb things like that. Yeah. The phrase stupid as wilder there's so many common phrases that are rooted in just a bigoted statements against those experiencing mental illness and those with disabilities. Yeah. We we've kind of been on an ongoing education process for ourselves as well. Clearly, this is stuff we've learned and begun implementing into our lives in the last year. So we we're also going to include a link in our description where you can learn more about that and more about the origin of these common phrases that are actively harmful. Yes. That's what we wanted to acknowledge that because there are a few uses of language like this in the episode because it was prior to us being aware of this. So does it has that for that indeed, and with that I guess let's get into death becomes her the best body horror. Movie of all time. Yeah let's drink are potions that will make us live forever but also grumble and. Turned is you know women's bodies are terrifying? That's what I learned from this movie. We talk about it and the upset but we but. If. This is your first episode of the vegetal caused welcome. We look at movies that have had an impact on the world using sexual feminist lens using the Bechtel test as a jumping off point for discussion but Caitlin I don't remember embattled says is Your by me you say that as a joke but I, honestly in the past like couple of weeks especially, I'm real like my memory doesn't work anymore I couldn't. I can't remember the batteries in the air we're breathing battery acid like it. Yeah. Horrible. I don't like I. I'm off topic already, but I mean, this may be passes the Bechtel test but I was like trying to think of my stand up jokes recently and I'm like I can't remember any of my standup jokes. I can't remember the names of places I used to go like. I. Yeah. It. It. Yeah I was remember I was like, oh. Yeah. Ideally best case scenario where we will have to remember her chokes some point. Terrifying I. Have also been truly I mean especially like extra and love to all of our listeners on the American west coast because. It's it's tough right now, and if you're able to do mutual aid throughout this please do but we're just reduced Th- really the worst of times I can't remember I was like I you WanNa fun, little anecdote. We told them what the Bechtel. If you're squeamish may be fast forward fifteen seconds. I was walking seven eleven yesterday bravely went outside and got so nauseated by the air that I throw up in my little mask had to turn around. No. Salary God I. Yeah. I've been having a nonstop headache for probably the past like six days now. It's really awful. It's bad So what is the vitamins? And I think all of that puking in your mask passes the. Past. So that's that's another example of it is you know not flawed metric. But yes that whole conversation I believe past the Bechtel test because of the Bechtel test is a media metric, originally developed and created by Queer cartoonist alison. Bechtel sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test and it requires that for our purposes we have made some adjustments to test also another recent development of ours but our newest version of the test is to people of any marginalized gender must have names must speak to each other about something other than a SYS man so that it is the test I my brain damn pass. It's complicated. So, we use that to inspire the premise of the show, and then we dive into a much deeper conversation about representation in intersection -ality, and inclusivity, and you know Goldie Hawn and Meryl Streep Different at different times. So Yes we're excited to share this episode. We hope you enjoy it and a reminder if you enjoy these episodes with just being caitlyn, it's a little looser we're goofing around or if you're just running out of episodes of the bike, Lacasse on our main feed head over to the matriarch on five bucks a month, two bonus episodes and As of today, you can watch the titanic stream as well. So enjoy the rest of the opposite enjoyed. Etc.. Jamie, what's your history with the film hadn't seen it but about you I had only seen it for the first time about a year ago. Okay. It was not at all on my radar until we started the PODCAST and started getting requests yeah as I and I intentionally did not do a ton of research going into the viewing experience which I'm glad because it is such a wild ride what a wild ride. But Yeah I saw I watched it about a year ago, and then we just watched it together. And now we're ready to talk about it. I'm excited there's there's there's a lot going on. Some of that, I love some of it you know we just have to. Have the podcast and it's it's a beloved movie. It's got a cult following. What a roller coaster right film it is. So the story if I may please do thank you so much. We meet Madeline Ashton Merrill. Street. Mauka, we. Take a hard left on take. To. Meryl Streep One of our weaker persistent jokes. Disagree Okay I know what you're right. You're right. You're right. When you're right you're right. she is an actor, a musical theater performer but people don't like her anymore because they think she is old and has lost her touch. But there is one person who does still love her not is ernest. Men Ville Bruce Willis character as a great bruce was rule the role of a lifetime I would say, Oh yeah, oh. Yeah. He is a cosmetic surgeon and the fiance of Helen Sharp which is called Hawn. Who is a friend of me? Of Madeleine's? She's a writer to writer which Madeleine really undermines. She's like. Are you still doing that writing thing right? which is you know personally triggering shows. Sure. And then Helen's all like Oh my God ernest you don't like Madeleine do you and he's like, no, I have no interest in her whatsoever cuts to. Do. I'm getting married. This is the campus movie. With a fifty, five, million dollar budget that's ever been filmed. It's Okay I I would welcome contenders and consume them happily league. Sure. This is a very expensive camp movie, right? Then we cut to seven years later and Helen has gained weight and she is now a crazy cat lady. She's vacuum Vasic trope oh? Yeah we'll talk. Hate it. She is affected from her apartment she's institutionalized and she's completely obsessed with Madeleine Ashton's demise right and then she felt flash forward seven years again right and madeline and earnest's marriage is not healthy. He's an alcoholic. He is no longer a plastic surgeon at least like not for living people right he instead now makes corpses look presentable for their funerals A. Then, Madeleine receives an invitation from Helen for Helen's Book Party. And Madeleine wants to look her best for the event. So she goes in for a treatment to get rejuvenated and guy there tells madeleine about Liezl, Von Rumen Aka as Avella. she can help, but he is weird. So Madeleine ignores him right. Then she goes to Helen's event and surprise Goldie Hawn has taken off the fat suit and she is a successful writer and Madeline is not handling this well so she decides to. Go to Lisa von Romans Place Castle. And she sells madeline a potion that will reverse the aging process. You'll love it and it works and her body tightens up and her face looks younger in some of the most I mean there's so much I. Think Spectacular Body Horror. This movie and This is just the beginning Oh. Yes. Yes. Meanwhile. Helen has gone to Ernest to seduce him and sabotage his relationship with Madeline, and she proposes a plan where they drug and kill Madeleine but make it look like an accident. And Madeleine returns home and she and Ernest get into an argument, and then he pushes her down the stairs and I truly I found and I. You know I need to watch this movie more but I found the moment where Meryl Streep is rocking back and forth defying gravity on the stairs where like is she going to follow not to be the most profound moment of the movie because I think this movie basically boils down to women verses the forces of gravity over time. because. It is at the movie about aging right and like was I because this is like a pretty solid creative team like I wonder if someone was thinking that because it is just like women versus gravity is a big. Central Voice in it. That's my little thought. What a brilliant thought. Jamie. Much. Aw I did my best on that one. Anyway so yeah, they've gotten into an argument. There screaming at each other, they're calling each other nasty names. He is strangling her and then he pushes her down the stairs and she breaks her neck and then Ernest Calls Helen, freaking out and they're trying to figure out what to do an as they're talking through it. madeleine gets up off the floor because she's taken this potion she didn't die even though her head is on backwards now right which is not easy to look at the whatever affects they did to accomplish that particular image. Is Troubling and scary weird being so. We're we're Lu- like diplomatic about it like it is not easy. To. View with your eyeballs. It just isn't. I mean they did the best with what they could in ninety what was it to ninety two low see I think it looks like a little too close to real. This won an academy award for visual. Effects. Did it. Really it is. The only thing was nominated for. Well, I know, which is really just a testament to nineteen ninety-two. And you know that that means not recent short I mean. Zemeckis is a visual affects king all say it I've seen back Campbell there. She said it I can't believe she finally said it. I mean he's no James Cameron but who? Today. Still. No. I missed the Majorie on. It's been a really long time since we recorded a matron I know it's been really long since we haven't had a referee in the room. Feels like rabbit. Up. It's good. It feels good. So Madeline turns her head back around and then yes, she's like Ernest to see a doctor. So he takes her to the ER, but she doesn't have a heartbeat turns out she's legally dead but she still awake and moving around and she seems live because of this potion right but ernest being the doctor science man that he is thinks that this is a cosmic sign that they should be together after all which is confusing. No I mean he's he's an interesting I'm like I'm not quite sure what the comment on masculinity is there but they're but it's something. Sure. True. TB. And he takes her home and tries to fix up her broken body but Helen comes back over and Madeleine over. Here's her talking to Ernest about their plan to kill her. So Madeleine takes rifle and shoots helen with it. Yikes. But surprise hello has also taken Lisa von Romans Potion. So she doesn't die even though she has a huge gaping hole in her midsection right and then she and madeline start physically fighting each other they're hitting each other shovels but then they realize there's no point in that because neither of. Them. Can Be injured or die and they get to a point where they both admit their wrongdoings and apologise for hurting each other in the past. Yea. and then they make ernest fix them up but he's like I'll do it but then I'm gonNA leave forever after that and you'll never see me again right. But then they worry there like like we're going to need touch-ups like what if it rains and he's not gonna live forever and we need him around so they decide to take him to lease. and. Make him drink the potion to write each. There there's a lot of intermittent violence in this, we'll have to backtrack to right. And they know he won't go willingly. So they first tried to drug him that doesn't work, and then they knock him out and take him to weasels castle right? She almost succeeds in convincing ernest to drink the potion. But at the last minute, he's like wait a minute. I don't WanNa live forever. That sounds awful. Gets. Away Right, he's not wrong and then madeline and helen spot him and chase after him through this. Bald at least souls throwing all of her clients of whom include Elvis Marilyn Monroe and Andy Warhol PA phony. So He's trying to escape via the roof ernest is and he slips and falls dangling there, and he's about to fall to his death and madeline and how. Unlike Oh man, you gotta take the potion 'cause. Then if you fall you won't die but he refuses and then he falls but he lands in swimming pool so he lives and then he finally gets away and Madeline and Helen her like well. I. Guess. We'll just have to take care of each other and paint each other's asses I kind of liked that. So. Did I I, know I'm just like man that is kind of like you know for some of us being toxic it's nice to be talks IQ and also not alone that's true. It just started doomed to an eternity of toxic friendships. And then we cut to thirty seven years later, which let me do the math here because the movie starts when it's one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight and then seven years pass and then seven more years pass and then thirty seven years pass putting us at. One Twenty Nine Oh A ten years from now. So Bruce Willis has ten years left to live. As let's be very careful but it has been said. It wasn't not said. Diplomatic well, yeah the. Official statement. Okay so It's thirty seven years later, Madeline and Helen are at earnest's funeral but they're chipping they're melting their falling apart and then they fall down some stairs and break into bids but they're still alive and Helen's I. Do you remember where you parked the car and then that's the end. Did it there and that's the whole thing Yup. You know. I like them. It's very fun. It's so campy. It have fun with it. It's wild Let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back. Hey everybody. Today's episode is sponsored by the New Mazda C thirty. So lately, we've been trying to do our part to be cautious and do what we can for public health. So we've been cooped up in the house a lot not getting out a lot Robert is there anything you Kinda miss about the about the road trip or going? On long drives well, I do have to say there is something really cool about having a long drive. Hopefully, you know like a drive through the mountains or something and you get to really dive into a particular album just really experienced it beginning to end while taking in the scenery also a great time for the children to learn about Metal Machine Music So when miles gray and drove the Mazda C X thirty from Palm Desert, San, Diego, I really enjoyed the scenery along the way and I feel like the car itself helped a lot with that like the interior of the car is crafted with what they call an essential EST approach. So well, it's got a lot of features in Car Wifi you know vehicle status, navigation displays, etc. It really doesn't feel crammed with distracting lights and visual decoy. And speaking features, the six thirty also has a really good factory sound system. They loaded the car up with some high definition sample tracks for us to try like we listen to daft punk. That sounded great. Hey, for everybody else if you want more information on Mazda and the first ever Mazda. C. 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Yes it seems like is like trying to be commentary on how society doesn't value older women I totally agree society doesn't tends not to find older women to be attractive but I think it does not really go far enough because then the no focuses on these two women who hate each other and then they do end up finding a common ground but really only. They have no other choice. This to me it does feel like kind of like. Where we we just happen to have covered a lot of movies that kind of fall into this category recently But like a very earnest attempt to make a comment on something that the writers are not necessarily qualify to make the comment to this movie is spoiler alert as with most movies written by multiple men. and directed by and directed by Mr mackey himself. Yeah. I mean, this movie was written by David Cope who also was at least co-writer on drastic park curly ray mission impossible snake is don't know what China's. He's written. A lot of damn movies is what I'm saying as well as Martin. Donovan. Who is also Famous screenwriter. So it does seem like an based on the production history that we'll get into in Jamie's contacts corner. Hey, this was a genuine attempt to make comment on women's aging by people who you know couldn't really fully understand it themselves. And so I, feel like I don't feel like you know what make a declarative statement for once in Your Life Jamie I know based on watching the movie that even though I think that the criticism of you know how there's a huge stigma against women's aging is made in the movie movie is also very much not above reducing an aging woman's body to achieve Jack. Women's body in general because there's a lot of issues with fat shaming in this and there's like so it is like a weird back and forth and it is extremely campy. But that doesn't excuse it from anything of making like pretty solid foundational points about like the society we live in a society Caitlyn right what and society should not push women to the point of feeling like they have to go to let's say extreme measures to preserve. Their youth in order to function in society as they would like to I, like that foundational point is made right. But the way that they choose to make it is kind of all over the place and then the way they treat those two women after they have made this choice yeah does not bode well because basically what happens is that after they've both taken the potion to not only reverse the aging process but prevent them from ever dying. Do. Right doom them to this weird morbid eternity of just falling apart and we'll the. Extreme. But like I feel like they're punished by. Wanting the well, not like. Okay. So foundationally. Can't really put much blame on. Meryl Streep's or Goldie Hawn's character for wanting to maintain their youth just based on especially the early nineties culture that there. For the majority of the movie short right. But the movie does punish them by a condemning them to an eternity of body horror. Then also turning those characters, not really into villains, but the way they start behaving as soon as they've both died I kind of love. I. It's like very funny and like part of what I like about the movie but also like. We're really sit down and look at it and think about it and we think are meant to like very much. We'll see. Okay. We're working this out in real time. Okay. This is the matron but I do feel like and we almost we talked about this while we were watching the movie that I am all for seeing a toxic relationship between two women I. Love It. I've taken part in them myself like but but like truly like where we start in even though I feel like it starts from to heightened place. But where we start where you know woman is jealous of another woman which I feel like even we in the past of sometimes like that. So tropy, which it can be but I also think that there is certain stories where that works because that trope doesn't come from nowhere it comes from I feel and like I've felt in certain situations myself that you know there is an increased capacity for. Especially where this seems to sort of start and then it gets personal but like a jealousy between women because there's this perception and often a reality that there's only space for so many women in a place right? So I, think that it is a topic worth exploring but the his writers are just not equipped you know and they and I think it's so abruptly as like Oh, we don't really know how to explore this an interesting or like a nuanced way at all. So let's just make it about boys, which is what it becomes about, and then it goes full trope territory of doubts down my boyfriend. So it it kind of sucks because I think that you know the dynamics of female friendship especially a long standing one like this and the power dynamics that exist inside of it. It really interesting and it's been done in really clever and cool ways and just this, this is a more kind of reductive version of it although I mean, hopefully it at the time helped pave the. Way To more nuanced looks at stuff like that but it does I mean it gets pretty reductive like she stole my boyfriend right every quickly because it takes the movie really longtime for the audience to understand why they don't like each other because we eventually understand that the your childhood friends or maybe like they were friends is key majors or something like that. It's still pretty vague. and. It takes a very long time for them to even talk about it. But then finally, there is a reason that gets established to explain why they are frenemies or at least why Helen hates madeline and it's because Madeleine kept stealing Helen's boyfriends and I guess she was doing that to get back at Helen four calling her cheap, which I don't know if that means we don't really know what the context of that is where you're set up with a very vague my immediate read but it's so vague that I felt you can just project whatever you want onto it was that like Helen's character. was from like a family that didn't approve of. Meryl's appearance or maybe it was her socioeconomic background. It wasn't clear. The word cheap has is loaded, right? Exactly. So it's like. Is it a classiest thing is like if she called her a trash or is it like? Is She calling her like Oh, you're cheap like Hussle, which kind of thing which is in the yeah in the lyrics at the beginning. What was it I down? It was like shameless Cusi. Div. FRIEND SAYS LEWD and lusty you're like Jamie. Much. Right so it's not even totally clear what she meant, but then Madeleine retaliates by stealing many of Helen's boyfriends. It reductive stuff but I am it takes an hour and a half for this conversation today but and but at least reasons are given. But again, they are like you said they, they're still very like trohpy and like women be catfight eighty knots. The reason why these women are cat-fighting. Yeah I don't think that there is like had had the writers talked to women. Their friendships or or reasons that you know like I don't I mean I think you could talk to even a handful of women and be like you know what was a friendship that of yours with another woman that fell apart what were the reasons you could come up with a more grounded relatable reason other than like boys and Mommy and daddy because. you know female friendships be complicated right and then shortly after we are, we understand the reasons why they have had such a tense relationship and friendship throughout their lives. Then they both admit their wrongdoings and I. To, each other love it, but it's at that point when they start to like be on each other sides and decide to like kind of allies again. That's when the movie turns them into these like. And again, the performances are very fund is still very fun to watch but it's like credible. They become like these kind of scary obsessed. Occur to I mean. Like enters once die it's as I mean yeah. Enters Roger Rabbit territory basically of like the cartoonish -ness of how the characters like look and behave and it is fun to watch and that's the thing that bugs me is movie viewers are smarter than people give them credit for like your average moving so much is you're you're talking About me specifically. member. stubs members out insisted Fehmi sponsor us. But like you know like people aren't going into death becomes her looking for an example of how to live their lives. So all you need in order to justify the cartoony violence which I appreciate that it's cartoony and. It's a very different movie if you're like I'm am. Really slow instead of literally I'm GonNa blow up your torso. Like the the the injuries are very cartoony comical cutting away to Meryl Streep falling down the stairs for forty five minutes before she hits the bottom of the staircase like it's clearly done with comedic intent and all you need to justify all that cartoony violence is a solid reason for these two characters to hate each other other than a vague seen thrown in three quarters of the way through the movie that doesn't even really answer any questions and it makes it clear. I'm like I wouldn't even be surprised if that scene with added in later because it seems like the movie does all it's looking to do to justify to him and disliking each other in the first scene by saying like she steals my boyfriend's and we see you know it's it's implied that having a boyfriend quote unquote stolen, which also removes all of the accountability from the boyfriend that is like grounds for Helen's life completely falling apart she's ups take care of herself and. She reaches what is kind of implied to be this catatonic state of living over the loss of a boyfriend which she says explicitly in dialogue she blames a thousand percent on Meryl Streep and not at all on Bruce Willis who is just too much of sweetie. Ernest. Boo To to know what he's doing, which is like you know very I rolling right and then this movie also subscribes heavily to the idea that fat equals pathetic that single woman equals pathetic in the sink and also I mean all and woman who loves cats pathetic absolutely on and how dare. Dare. Movie stayed at but. There yeah. I mean the the way the I mean, the the fat shaming elements in this movie are Ex. Maryland, just drunk on. Making fat shaming comments about Helen Right and it's I. Mean. The beginning of the movie is the worst of it where you you know you, we've find out that Bruce Willis has married Meryl Streep Goldie. Hawn is very upset by it, and then we cut to seven years later to an exploitative up close ask shot and then revealed Goldie Hawn's character has gained weight and it's implied that yeah like gaining weight means you've lost control of your life it's used as this shorthand that is like first of all lazy bad writing. And second of all, just you know hold up not even a little and and the fat suit. It's just all bad right and then also because she's institutionalized in a psychiatric hospital that's also. Well the way that mental. Mental illness. Yeah. That like. I mean, mercifully, at least those scenes are pretty quick i. also think that they could have just flashed forward fourteen years like that midway 'cause everything that happens at the seven year point is pretty offensive and also not super necessary to the story like we flash forward fourteen years and just be like she still mad, right you don't need to do the whole scene where it's fat Jamie and just like bad on every level, and then you come to the institution. which at least they don't do that horrible thing that movies do were they name a mental illness and explicitly stigmatize it but the implication is you know women be crazy and being jealous of another woman is a mental illness rate and then the I think unnamed mental health professional at the which is one of the only people of Color in the entire movie I. Don't know that we I don't I didn't hear a name I mean maybe she's credited with one but. We definitely don't hear it but even she's onscreen for no more than a minute and fat James Goldie. Hawn in that scene and is like you've been here six months and you haven't lost pound Mike. That's not why people are institutionalized. Very. so that's just a cruel thing to say so that whole I flash forward is say get rid of it really don't need it and then and then when they flash forward again, fourteen years, Meryl Streep and this is again just another subtle not so subtle way of like trading women's bodies is Meryl Streep only takes. Goldie Hawn seriously, and will only consider talking to her when she finds out, she is lost weight and is back to Goldie Hawn bright and before that, it's like she bruce Willis or kind of like gearing up to tease her from afar and not talk to her. But then when it's revealed that another tasteless reveal that you know it's Goldie Hawn and she's you know the Western beauty standards, Goldie. Hawn and not the offensive fat Sue Goldie Hawn. Then all of a sudden meryl streep is willing to engage in the jealousy is back and it's just like. Just. Just out right don't we don't need it. Yeah absolutely in then then they're like rivalry is ignited again and then. I really don't know why we only know that was centric that Madeleine tends to steal Helen's blew friends from her, but we don't know why we don't know what anyone's motivation is. Right And then things eventually turn around where they do become friends. Again, we're just because they both died. They they've now that they've both been responsible for the others death. They kind of they're like Oh. This is the vague reason we were mad to begin was sorry for not mentioning that earlier. And, we're even and yeah we. And we found common ground and boasted. And being so obsessed with maintaining our youthful looks that we need to keep this guy around to fix us whenever we need it. But then like I say they, they become villains because one they're so obsessed with this idea of maintaining that and then as. Far, as to try to drug him and then knock him out. Take him against his will to this place and then forced him to take this potion because they just like want him. There's also the bizarre Bruce Willis I mean the thing is like I love this movie. But but but we must do our job. The The bizarro message you get on masculinity and I think sort of like a trophy Beta male character. With. Bruce Willis in this movie is bizarre. I think that immediately all agency is kind of removed from him in a way that like completely frees him of accountability on anything where it's just made to seemed like he's gullible idiot who cannot see through the sexuality of Women that is the thing where he he reassures Goldie Hawn and like there's no whale fall for this and they almost make seem like Meryl Streep has this magical power of manipulation that immediately went over Goldie Hawn tells him to his face I don't blame you for that. It's her she's evil. She does he's a woman a woman for. Which is funny. But but you know like no one ever gets upset for him for things and then he also intern and keeping with that blames the women in his life for his life ends up, and it's like no one enforced you to marry Meryl Streep Bruce Williams you hate to say it but like no one force you to and and then sort of the same throughout at the end where it's framed like you know these two vindictive women want to keep this poor man at their mercy for the rest of their eternal lives and they wanNA torture him into infinity and it's just it's so over the top and Brazil is literally kills Meryl Streep but he's She told me to like he's acting like he never has a choice in anything and it's just so like I mean I love I love to watch it but it does. It does give you a weird comment on masculinity that like every man that ever lived is completely has to go with the like wiles of women. They don't understand the retake control it. They do they commit murder. It's not their fault. Also that scene were Goldie Hawn dressed as Jessica, rabbit folios up at his house, and she's like I used to be so timid and I couldn't even say the word sex but now I can say it sex. Snacks and he's like, Bono. Kind of funny. But but like yeah well, my thing with that character was earnest is that I feel that he's written the way a lot of women are written or should I say underwritten in many movies? Yes he's often hysterical. He's screaming his gullible in the relationships that he's in with these two women he is has far less kind of power and control. Then the two women he at least starts out pretty much as being the supporting character to these women in the story so like But then like by the end, he is framed as being this hero and they're at his funeral and they're like, oh, man, his life got so awesome when he turned fifty and he's a saint and he started the men Ville Center for the Study of women because I guessed feminist icon Ernest Manville. Halley. I. That was I thought that was kind of a fun like I don't know I was like well aging worked out for someone else because. The thing. I maybe it's the movie trying to comment but again, I don't think it does it effectively but like men are allowed to age gracefully and with dignity in in like look how awesome everyone thinks he is. Hung in there ladies and not gotten so upset, right. But then by contrast we see like the two women they are literally like chipping away falling apart they look grotesque because there's paint running off of their faces. Like I make it in this, so it's like is that commentary but I feel like. We we're on their side, but your wheels like a hollow message. I am always trying to say one thing I well, something I did like is that I feel like we talked about this when we were watching to that Meryl Streep's character in this movie kind of reminds me of Goldie Hawn's character in first wives club. Yes. Where these are both characters. Who are in the entertainment Industry Meryl Streep is some sort of like a store of the stage and screen right who is afraid of not being able to work in the way she would like to if she appears older right right which is a similar to Goldie Hawn in two, thousand twelve and I appreciate at very least that I think that. Like. A woman's anxiety about aging is made out to see him hysterical or pathetic. And while it is definitely exaggerated in this movie, they released the writing does go out of its way to couch it and like, and this is not something that she is completely. Like removed from reality to be worried about because we see that scene where she goes to her young side pieces house Oh. Yes and he is with a younger woman and he rejects her and you know insulting and says, you know someone your own age and that is a breaking point for her and so I think that it was that was one of for me the more genuine moments of like actual commentary. On aging of like, yes it does seem on the surface like Meryl Streep, as you know, she seen with face masks on all the time it's made out to be over the top but then you do get the inverse of it of like she's not doing it for no reason she's edited there is like it is her reality right and so I did appreciate that we we at least get to see that so that she hasn't made out to be like the crazy lady trump agree that scene where she goes to that guy and he says like find a guy your own age I'm doing you a favor people say we look ridiculous together right which is like The movie attempting to comment on like the double standard of society, deeming it perfectly acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman but not acceptable for an older woman to be with a younger man. So the movie does like. Start to make this commentary it is it is. It just doesn't get all the way. Right. It's almost like male writers directors that are trying to put women on, which is Great. Use Your power responsibly, but also talked to them to thank think being stupid. You know, let's just bring Ari Astra back in the conversation while we're at it like, yeah, we get it like you WanNa make as well. Women try to have a conversation with one. Yeah. There are like those moments real like Oh this the heart was in the right place, but it just rings hollow because there's not really any authenticity in it and I feel like is like what makes a great campy movie is like reactions and characters that are over the top you understand why they're doing what they're doing and so you can justify almost anything. Behavior wise of like if I had a better understanding, a rooted reason that Meryl, Streep and Goldie Hawn, fucking hate each other. Then they hit each other with shovels all day and I wouldn't care because it's like you there. There's a grounded reason. You're not just doing it to do it, but you know it it just sometimes it feels that way other times it doesn't. 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And we're back kyw share my two favorite lines in the movie Yes those said by Bruce Willis because his character just tickles me pink hit Avai-. Sees like yelling at like a number in the hospital after he's taken. Madeleine to the ER and he's like you put her in the morgue. She'll be furious man love it later whenever they're trying to deal with what they think is Helen's dead body Bruce Willis says, are you just GonNa sit there. I'm not going to be your accomplice all by myself, which is comedy at its highest ruling the peak. Oh, so funny. Loved it. Okay. Fund Font I mean this movie I think kind of keeping true to its heart in the right place. But a lot of you know kind of classically negative stereotypes being given in I. Mean there's lot of needlessly like overly revealing outfits kind of for no reason. I'm almost willing to justify it within the aesthetic of the movie or if it is a cartoon but there's like that scene where Meryl Streep Goldie Hawn Her following Bruce Willis around in like leotards for no reason and you're just like okay this is also one of the few movies were the two female leads are older than the male Love Interest Meryl Streep Angle, the Hunter both older than Bruce Willis. That very rarely happens. You know it's like Leonardo DiCaprio will not appear onscreen with a woman over the age of twenty four. So. There's you know that I thought that was cool. Oh, that was getting into Isabelle Orissa Cellini. Because she she is I mean the the costumes are incredible conic. They are architecture basically it the the looks her shirt is just several necklaces, but it's also you're like I. Think there's flesh colored fabric involved I'm not GonNa, must because we didn't see any nips I don't believe there was Arkansas. Yeah because it was PG thirteen So the architect I mean it was wild but but like sure there were shots where you saw her bare ass for no reason was a gratuitous. Yeah but I also was like I wish I could wear them you know. But there I mean and there's did you have I i. don't have much to say about Lisa's character because she is kind of something that I think is something that we have. Slowly realised is a bizarre trope that appears again again is a plot witch. Right, she's we weren't gonNA. Compared to Ursula. Yeah. She is. She's literally applauded. She's like a deal for you wearing outfit and you're like, oh Sure. Yeah. We also I don't know totally how much this is worth mentioning but we as we were watching it, we're like. She's like appropriating. Agent Egypt culture with like. Sound off in the comments. We truly I'm just like I don't know if there's if what we don't know. Yeah. There's a lot of a lot of it. We don't know Madonna, and so you know that's something for for if you have any information on it, we would love to have a more cogent discussion about it but at this time. We simply don't know. but yeah, that's Lisa. There's really not I mean yeah. There was like some gratuitous. Not I mean almost exclusively gratuitous nudity there she's a plot witch. Two female protagonists to bounce it off I mean like if she was one of the only women that you saw onscreen at length I would be way more bothered that she. Like several mail service, our values FOB IOS there one of them. Actually their names are Tom Dick and Harry and they are. Pretty, nude I mean they're topless they're wearing. Revealing clothing. So I thought that was you know what? That's an empowering thing for yeah it's. Rules you can't. We're a lot of huskies rich. Also, she's a business woman I. Think there's a case she's a woman in stem she's She's she's seventy some years old she said, which is I mean it is another one of those I mean, and again, this movie is not thinking too hard about it I'm certain but in a like a female scientists can only be a witch right but also she has at least some business live outside of it I don't have that much to save his character and there's also the thing of like it's a movie about women aging and like not being allowed to age gracefully in society not allowing that but then it's also casting three women who are very attractive by beauty standards and like. Great. For you? Yeah I don't know I mean it. It is an interesting car again she's like so much of this movie would pull together more for me if we had a more grounded story and why they dislike each other because as it stands, it just makes some really cool interesting scenes, choices kind of feel less impactful and cool but and ultimately it is the women who suffer for what is presented at the beginning as a societal ill and yet it is still these two women who have to suffer the eternal consequences and are. For it, which is a weird message to leave it off right When did you a quick little context moment for This Murphy's So I was so thrown off by calling context and moment coroner. James Context Corner says movie has a massive queer following I. I wasn't aware of the extent of the Queer legacy of this movie, but there was a terrific piece that came out in Vanity Fair on this exact topic with extensive reporting. came out two years ago it was written by Christy Pacheco. So thank you for doing all this It gives a little bit of background on the production of the movie as well as how it is gained queer following over time because this movie wasn't super successful when it came out and it also was not well reviewed right It just broke its budget domestically and ended up making some money internationally but it definitely wasn't considered anyone's best. It wasn't nominated for anything except visual effects. A, lot of the interviews are a lot of po quotes from David Coop. K. K. O. P. P. is a KEP kept. for He, he gives them insight into what they were going for. He says quote, it was meant to be night of the living dead if q core had directed I think it's kind of a fun reference felt like no risk whatsoever because we both had nothing but credit card debt to her name's there was nowhere to go. But up since we basically written to be and the original casting choices of reveal that it was written to be a B. movie and. Then because Robert Zemeckis had a lot of clout and wanted to direct the movie all of a sudden it was elevated to a big budget level. So there which I feel like you can kind of in a good way feel that dissonance of like why is Bruce Willis in this movie? Why would like the this could have been made for a lot less money, but I'm Kinda glad it was. Know. It it looks like it cost fifty, five million dollars But what this is inspired a lot of in addition to the movie being screened at pride events quite a bit is there have been a lot of iconic drag performances inspired by death becomes her to the point where it was a specific runway challenge on Ru, Paul's drag race at some point where violet chunky one for the most intensely cinched waist. I've ever seen in my entire life. You can look it up is so good later in the article David kept his asked why he I think this is a fun question. Asked him because old men are so dufy sometimes. They ask him, why do you think this movie has amassed such a big we're following and he has this to say quote you really can't underestimate the entertainment value of two women's swinging shovels at each other. And then the other the other said, yes, and then his Co. and then his Co. writer says quote I could invent some excuse but deep down in my heart, I do not know. It it's like they're I mean they're just like Kinda like growing. We've never talked to a gay person so So they're like, I guess it worked out for us. The winner of drag racism five Jerick. Hoffer had that's jinx monsoon. Yes. Yeah. One under jinx monsoon but interview this interview under jerk. Hoffer. Took on like the death becomes her themed photo shoot like has a history. Here's what jared has to say quote, I think this is a trait that runs throughout the queer community, the obsession with the Hyper Feminine Female Villains, and we see it and Disney movies and in movies like death becomes her in characters like poison, Ivy and cat-woman almost all the Disney villain witches are icons, which is and we've discussed Ettlin here and they continue quote I think it's a combination of. It being a strong female character who who you love how evil she is. You know I don't know why that is a trait that appears to queer people so much but it's pretty consistent amongst the queer community I think it has something to do with feeling like outcasts and imagining yourself in this position of power where even though you're the outcast, you still have some kind of power and strength within you. So, yeah, and then finally quote I think it's really feminist that they're willing to take their lives into their own hands and do whatever it takes. Be Willing to spray, paint themselves and fill themselves with cement or whatever. To just uphold themselves and try to stay in command. So there yeah, that is in brief the history of death becomes her as a iconic queer movie as well. beautiful. Thanks for the context corner. You're welcome. Yeah I'm glad I. Mean. We talk about this a fair amount to where. Certain movies have become like queer icon texts not because there are any queer characters in them because are often not in most mainstream movies. Yeah. Yeah. Even in like it's just it's it's cool to understand the history of how movies become iconic in any community by its core and I I knew so little about this movie to begin with that like having context for that drag race competition was great for me. Yeah. WHO's great because I had watched it before and been like what? I don't know now I, know I understand you know leaning Did else you wanted to hit on just the Helen Sharp. I has a cat and then has many cats and cuts have eight nipples. That's facts with Caitlyn's. Though yeah. I. Enjoyed this movie quite a bit. I I'm happy it will be continued to watch for years to come. I. Think it is the kind of movie that even though it's flaws I think are pretty glaring. I find them. So glaring that it is almost like people can continue to watch because that makes sense. Yeah. I. See where he's not like a subtle poison put into the veins of a movie where you're like Oh no, I'm. Red You know like so it is so wildly campy that it's not like very, very small doses of arsenic that you take over the course of several months and then die from it. It's like, yeah, the poison apple with like the poison symbol painted onto the apple and you're right I know not like A. Perfect. Analogy. Yeah. I mean just a movie trying to tackle the subject. Like women aging and how society believes that that's not a thing that should be allowed at. All right you know and and. Approaching that topic very nine, hundred, ninety, two way tackles it in the context of upper-class straight white women exactly But in in terms of the time I, mean there's not a lot of movies in Nineteen ninety-two that are trying to address the concept of women aging and all who are of women at women. So right and and so I think in that it has a valuable place in history in addition to being fun watch with some really incredible. Performances. But the I. It is the the outfits in this movie are really Oh. Let me say my one last piece of place I think maybe y'all in this doesn't justify this at all, but perhaps the reason that we cut to the seven years later where we see Goldie, Hawn they completely in crisis and like mentally crumbling, and all of that is that that's when she we don't see her do this of course because it has to be revealed later on. But that's when we understand her to take the potion because she says, she takes it off Tober twenty, six, nineteen, eighty five that would be seven years after when the movie opens and Nineteen Seventy Eight. Thing about. Over Twenty Six nineteen eighty five that is the day of the temporal junction point of the space time continuum according to back to the future another Robertson Meka's galaxy brain. So we these actually exist in the same universe galaxy brain. Love it. It makes me happy. Didn't under see and you know we did cover back to the future on the matriarch as well. It did not fare well. But it still lovie I deeply deeply love. That's my cross to bear. Yeah. Fortunately, it doesn't mind but I do like a good billy Zane joint which I think is how back to the future is remembered As one of these. Services. But yeah, I yeah. This this I, I would genuinely like Recommend Watch this movie with your friends. It's a blast. I'm sure there's a great drinking game for this movie somewhere. Yeah but you know that's why we're here to just you know keep you humble like you know, hey, it's not as good as you think it is but it's still pretty fucking good job. Does this movie, pass the battles at it does these days. And Helen Between Madeline. In Lee Soul there's a few other conversations with of very tertiary female characters who don't get name that don't pass tests, but there are women interacting and there is a lot of talk about like I, feel like even slightly edging out the Bruce Willis Talk, there is a lot of talk about jealousy and fractures within the friendship and often men will come up because the conflict between them is underwritten but you do they do like that. Some of the dialogue is like left for us to kind of explore this conflict although it comes way too late in the movie. but yeah. So you know it does pass. Sure does yeah. What would you rate the film scale probably pretty low? so I mean. Here okay. I was GONNA say this earlier for all of its faults. All of the action in this movie is driven by the female characters. Absolutely Willis is has like you were saying is reduced to know agency like female characters often are he becomes kind of this flaccid tool weapon screaming squealing hysterical to be used by the like. So in that way, I, think it is very unusual and cool women are but then he is given agency at the climax. and. Then he's yeah exactly. I don't like the way this movie in one and a half one and a half maybe two I was going to give it to okay I'll go to. Nip for each of them. This gets an five million on the Campo meter, but that's not what we're here for. In terms of maybe we should do that podcast. Yeah. New Patriots here citric discussing camp. The camp meter. But this is like kampe meter a plus But in terms of how the movie treat family characters I would say about two because they do lose in the end. Yeah which doesn't they're punished for wanting to, and that's the other thing like, yes society has these rigid expectations about women and women aging women will also be criticized for trying to. Like participate in like I'm going to try to not look like managing so much kind of thing, and then women are also punished for that. Well, it's just like well, can't you just like age naturally and it's like fucking won't let me. Sihities the the yeah. I feel like the movie like at some points it reaches like, Oh, it looks like it's about to make a really cool point and then it punishes a female character. Yeah. We're making the choice that they've explained. Made it clear why they're making that choice like well, whatever fucker anyways and you're? That's not fair I. My ideal ending for this movie is that once they become friends again they discuss. Okay. This was our conflict. We both killed each other where even than instead of going after Bruce Willis, they like find a more like a large like societal target in like instead of going after this one person that they've been using as a tool right all time go after someone who has actually inflicted harm upon them and go after that. That's a more logical target especially, if you're you get that cool moment of them uniting. Right, why would you go to Bruce Willis right I do when when they come together and This like friendship again. But Yeah, the Third Act of this movie is a mess. They should. There should be like maybe like a movie director who's like I'm not going to cast you anymore Merrill because you've gotten too old or even just someone who set up a little bit earlier of someone who has done actual harm or encouraged conflict among them or something like that where it because going for Bruce Willis doesn't make a ton of sense and then he ends up winning and you're like that either like there was a cooler and trajectories for and they should of one because we're rooting for them. Should have had US write the movie. Really like I know that we barely existed at this time they should've let us get you were a fetus maybe fetus and I was six years old restraints. Let's. Cool. Progressive screenwriting team is and we would have been able to comment on aging women as fetus and a six year old. Better choice. To men isn't that insane? Born is a better choice but. It is true in in this case of yeah. 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Mason and Ireland HR 2: Living Legend

Mason & Ireland

39:11 min | 1 year ago

Mason and Ireland HR 2: Living Legend

"Yeah that is classic went with them not once not twice not three times. Four is playing the odds. He couldn't be that stupid now. I know. Do factor yeah. I don't know how to offer to this person but somebody just did a an Alan poster. Unfortunately it's got the old name it's got after dark but maybe this person can do a fix on it. A new poster for Allen's League. This is genius. I'm tweeting out right now. Somebody put a lot of work into this and it is the original Chinatown poster. I've actually got this framed and it is such a funny picture because yeah I tell them till funchess's in it is a production of ESPN LA and funches Allen. Sleepy was Steve Mason after dark. That's beautiful beautiful poster so there are many ways you can be a part of this show you can send us a tweet with the Hashtag ask Mason in Ireland and we'll see it and we'll get to it. You can call the show at eight. Seven seven seven ten. Espn eight seven seven. Three seven seven six seven ten or you can send something to our listener. Voicemail and our listener. Voicemail line is always open mace. What is the exact number? Two the listener voicemail Line John. The exact number is five three zero. Espn seven ten ESPN. You screwed it up I three a softball and you miss sir. It's ESPN seven ten. So it's five three zero three seven seven six seven ten. I love a good softball. Apparently you don't but can't still can't it? Yeah but we have many many things. Here's a question from Hashtag. Ask Mason and Ireland does. Jack Nicholson deserve a ban. Today's Jack Nicholson's birthday Yup. Just Jack Nicholson deserve a banner. I mean if Taylor Swift has one. Why wouldn't the greatest Laker Fan of all time? I don't think Jack will ever get a banner because the Lakers have made it pretty clear. It wasn't the Lakers that put Taylor swift name in the rafters. It was ag right. It was staple center that sold out. She sold out staple center more than any act in history than in. You're right it was eight. That did it. I was there by the way the night. They unveiled that Taylor swift obedient. Kobe did it yeah. Kobe was there that night. That was her special guest and he unveiled the banner for. Yeah what's not the Lakers? Who retired Taylor Swift's number? It was Ag Staple Center but Halliburton Day to Jack. Nicholson he would be in. The discussion may be the answer to. I'll ask you Mace gouzer tra- fan of movies and acting. Who is you can go male or female here. Who is America's greatest living actor? It's Meryl Streep Over Jack. Yes Meryl Streep Has Been Nominated for like Twenty Academy Awards. Nobody's even close now. Jack Has I think Jack has won four. If I'm not and I think he's been nominated for twelve. Yeah Jack won for one. Flew over the CUCKOO'S NEST. You went for terms of endearment. Right one for terms of endearment. That was a supporting one one for a movie called Reds which is Warren Beatty movie. And did he win for as good as many think? No I think he went for as good as he's only one for three only won three Oscars has he won won. A you're right. He won for as good as it gets terms of endearment. One flew over the CUCKOO's nest. He did not win for reds. Okay but yeah so. He's absolutely in the discussion. His kid is now becoming an era gets. Grandkid is becoming an actor. Who's actually getting to be? They think he's going to become a really big star his grandson. I'm trying to think greatest living actors. Pacino's on that list Deniro Deniro's on that list. Hanks Hanks Merrill Yeah Denzel Denzel I is there any other women on it. I think Meryl Streep's kind of in a class by herself. Anthony Hopkins I think is in it. Maybe I would pretty great. I check a Helio one Oscar. Oh Yeah I know but but nominated a bunch I look. Here's the thing with the thing with Oscars is they're not necessarily always the best measure like it took Pacino going hoo-ha to finally win an academy award definitely not as best role not even close to his best raw. You've done SERPICO. And he dog day afternoon. He had done so many unbelievable movies until finally they gave him one. So sometimes. That's not always the best measure Li. I would argue is probably the biggest movie star in the world right now but if you're seeing greatest living actor would probably skew older it for example. Meryl Streep you're right it's Meryl Streep Meryl Streep Has Twenty One Oscar nominee shaw. My Gosh the next closest person is Jack. Twelve all right so living is Jack with twelve. The next closest one to Jack is Pacino with nine. Is Martin Martin Brando? Pass away right. Yeah Marlon Brando Marlon Marlon brassware. Jack Lemmon passed away. Danielle has eight so streep twenty-one Nicholson Twelve Pacino. Nine Denzel Eight. That's probably the list Deniro. Seven if you want to include him duval seven didn't think about divall. We didn't mention him. He's great he's right. Well how about this there have been. There's been one. There is one living person who has seven academy award nominations. Now I'd already know the answer. Zero Wins Glenn Close. Yeah Eddie mazing. She's never one and she got screwed. Well I mean she was supposed to win that one from two years ago and everybody thought she was going to win and then Olivia colman pulled off the upset. But everybody thought Glenn close was finally going to get her first academy award probably should have but she got she got ripped off at the Academy Awards. Yeah she's got the most. There are some actors that were nominated so many times like look. How many times? Peter O'Toole aided never one never one. Yeah Yeah Terrible. You should get one. Go On for plan. It should be a participation ribbon. Everybody you make that many movies. You do them any show. You should get a participation ribbon. You should get one of those. I coming up next for you. Roger Goodell said some stuff today. We'll bring you that. Plus we should sneak in a couple of phone calls. Eight seven seven seven ten. Espn eight seven seven seven ten espn today. We got the results of the red SOx cheating scandal. One video coordinator was suspended for a year and they lost a second round draft pick. Was that enough of a penalty. And plus we'll get some of your voicemails in here. Lindsey anymore jingles. Oh tons of jingles. Okay so we'll get some more jingles in here to voicemail. Line is five three zero. Espn seven ten Mesa SPN. Yeah it is an optimistic Wednesday we're just screwing around. That's what we're doing right now. While we wait for sports to get back in it common people I can feel it. Can't you feel John? I'm starting to feel I started to feel like it's all coming back. Yeah just didn't win. That's the hardest thing is to be patient and put it with win but I my aunt. I'm the opposite of Bill plachy. I'm as I'm as convinced at. We're going to see some sports in two thousand twenty. He is that there will be zero. Amen I'm with you Let'S GO TO STEVE FROM SANTA CLARITA Steve. You're on seven ten. Espn what's up man? Hey what's up guys first of all? Hey how's it going so first of all? I want to say I just started listening to you guys. I just relocated from northern California down here about a year and a half ago. It's hard because I'm a warriors. Giants niners chart span. And so you know I'm an enemy territory right now. Yup I WANNA I WANNA first of add to your list of greatest living actors. You GotTa put Daniel day-lewis on that list. Except EXCEPT BOB Steve. He's not acting anymore. Didn't he retire? He did retire yes but he's still living living through drills. He's won three best actor. Oscars. You're right right. I mean the guy's phenomenal as far as these penalties for these cheaters from Houston and Boston and by the way I equally dislike everything. Boston as as you guys do Yes you know anything. Short of a lifetime ban for every single person involved is unacceptable. Pete rose is banned for life in well. Steve It's interesting Frank Robinson who we were talking about earlier the hall of Famer who passed away last year he would have been all those guys for life he would have said you know what you tried to cheat the game. You're done you know the games moving on without you. You're you're done. Hey look you know of all the billions of little boys and girls who grew up dreaming to play professional sports. You are a privileged few who have an opportunity to do this and you screw it up by Cheang I mean you know it actually Steve. It's a really good. Yeah it's a really good question and thank you for the phone call in you southern California Mason. Would you have a problem? I'm not sure I would? I mean I believe in second chances but if you had a problem if somebody ends up taking. Pd's Yup and it gets proven or if somebody's banging on trash cans cheating and it gets proven lifetime ban. Would you have a problem with it? No I would not be. You can end deterrent ultimate deterrent right. I'm not so sure wouldn't be the right way to go like for example. You've been to. What is it. Eight Olympics Yep K. Everybody's my friends that are hockey fans all say you can't take the fighting out of hockey. It's one of the best parts. Of course you can. The Olympics did thirty years ago if you fight in the Olympics. You're not only kicked out of that game you're kicked out of the next game and so nobody fights now I'm not. I'm not debating whether or not good. I have no problem with hockey having fights but yeah I mean I think that's one of the one of the appeals. But you're right. I mean if you went in behavior if you wanted to end cheating completely ended that does it in one move one move. I agree I agree and I'm completely in favor of lifetime ban for PD's could be completely in favor and there is no way that just one video coordinator for the Boston. Red Sox was responsible for a cheating scheme we saw how many people it took to run the Astros cheating scheme. Iran through Beltran ran through core. Run through Hinch ran for the clubhouse guys ran through the TV. Everybody knew what was going on. What difference did one video coordinator make for the Boston? Red Sox and doesn't rob Manfred. Os a better explanation in. Has It has a scooter libby. Feel to it doesn't it? Tell us what happened. He scapegoated some video dude. You told us what happened with the Astros. Explain to US exactly what the Red Sox did. Now I don't think it had an outcome on the world series because I thought Boston was so much better than we were and it wasn't that they were. They outpitched us. I mean Nathan. He of all the Joe Kelley and guys guys weren't weren't top. Line pitchers had top of the line. Stuff in that world series. You're right but yeah I'd like to know exactly what went on with. They did win one hundred eight. I think one hundred and eight games that year. How many of those winds could be attributed to the fact that they cheated? Let's go to Allan in Burbank Online. For Hey al in your on seven ten. Espn what do you got a locale? I I just had a fun hypothetical question for you guys Cool let's say you're on like a zoom conference call and you're with the three major commissioners of all the sports Garbage can Manfred Adam silver and Roger Goodell and you can only choose one sport to be played this year. What sport would you choose? Oh good question. Wow that is rough. I think. Now I'M GONNA I'M GONNA take easy road and Mason. You're going to have a harder road because you have no affiliation with any league. Because I'm one of the LAKER announcers and because they're in a position win the championship. If we could only have one I would take the Lakers. Because I like their odds. I like I would take the NBA. Because I think it puts us in at least as we sit here the best place to win a title but mace. The dodgers are loaded. And the ran. I can't really imagine a world without the NFL. And you would get to go to the new stadium. So what's your answer? The one reason I wouldn't say NFL maces. It's only eight home dates the other way more home day. Baseball would be the one where you'd get to see the most. Yeah I would Pr- I probably go baseball. If I could get a baseball season I would get a baseball season in. But but it's it's an impossible question and I like his nickname garbage can manfred. That's a really good nickname for him. That I think we should stick with love that excellent there. You Man Alan. What what's the answer for? You sure Lakers Ashley. Chancing all right thanks for calling man be safe. Let's go to gusts from Brentwood. Online ONE GUSTS. You're on seven ten. Espn issue marriage. Thank you for taking my call. You're you know this this. This failure again By Manfred and you know thank you to. Manfredini was good to give me another emotion other than depression. They'll be it in the pandemic say against the the the the emotion of anger so good to feel something other than the crescent. Thank you Manfred That what is the point now? Of what argument are we GONNA make us? I'm not mad at hands or any of them now or them. It's like why. Why are we going to sit here and be like? Oh we can't allow bonding no clemens. Nobody cheated they cheated. We came in there but yet all these dudes that were on the Astros and all the guys on the Red Sox you know Gus. This is an excellent point. I never thought about it until just now mace. If Jose Altuve has goes on from here and has a hall of Fame Career Yep does he get in to the hall or do they put him in the same bin as bonds and clemens and socio. Well I'll tell you what I throw out that. Three forty seven season. I throw out that That season the twenty seventeen season where he won the MVP. I'm not going to consider that I would have. I would have a hard time voting for Jose. Altuva the same way I would not vote for. Barry Bonds would not vote for Roger. Clements. I just think you know it's you know what it is. John It's you. You've asserted that everybody plays our games now has somehow cheated. No I've assuming that everybody's they're always going to be accused of it. Lindsey did it last week in from now on if anybody has a breakout year a year where you can't statistically see a natural climb everybody's GonNa assume the worst. That's that's by these guys cheating. I think that now they've made everybody else for the future of time in baseball. People are GonNA accuse them of cheating even if there's no evidence. Yeah I just pulled up a piece from deadspin. Mlb clear message. Go ahead cheater ass off their you and I think that the show. It's it's dangerous because it's like you know like what happened. You know after bond and hoping started seeing you know like These kids taking steroids than highschoolers dying from it. I'm not saying it's GONNA get extreme to that point with with other people trying to cheat like that but it's like this just literally. Manfred literally took gate through the credibility of major league. Baseball in everything is ever stood for. Keep doing right out the window so he could avoid you know something of a backlash from Ted Henry or Henri. Whatever the hell his name and then that other idiot that owns the. Astros wanted to be part of the billionaire boys clubs so desperate that he threw away the credibility of major league. Baseball to be friends with you. Guys I I I don't think I don't think I've been as outraged as I should be. I wanted to just read something. The one person in the Red Sox organization held accountable was video. Replay system operator. Jt Watkins Band for the twenty twenty twenty one seasons Watkins Unquote on at least some occasions during the two thousand eighteen season utilize the game feeds in the replay room in violation of MLB regulations to revise signed sequence information that he had permissively provided to players during the game and once again. This is the once again. Manfred this. He granted all the players in immunity immunity in exchange for their cooperation in the investigation. So once again no players receive any punishment for what went on during that cheating scheme we will never know unfortunately because Manfred at just the same way he buried the details in the astros cheating scandal. He's burying the details in the red SOx cheating scandal. He just wants it to go away and I think you make a really good point there. There is no question that the message here is. Go ahead cheap. The punishment won't be so bad. Yeah it's a bad to very bad look for baseball. Thank you guys. Be Safe Man all right coming up. Play some of the voicemails and we'll leave the phone lines open. Eight seven seven seven ten. Espn by the way. Bus are only tweeted today. If the Red Sox WanNa Bring Back Alex Scores Manager for Twenty Twenty One. Nothing stands in the way of that happening. In the organization's leadership has greatly enjoyed working with them in the past. They could hire them right back. Interesting we'll get voicemails in got a bunch of stuff coming up including five clock fast track. Mason in Ireland. Seventy SPN ESPN. What are you guys doing we are? We are feeling good. We are optimistic. We are enthusiastic. This is nothing but positive. The the Situation is tough for everybody but screw it. We're all doing the best that we can man those people that are sheltering in place. You're doing a hell of a job of it staying home and doing what you can do. Question Hashtag Mason in Ireland. Are you still doing the boo the Astros bus to Angel Stadium when baseball returns? I duNno because they're gonNA have to Redo the schedule right. That's true came and went. We'd already given away a bunch of tickets. Yeah we no matter. What if there is baseball at Angel Stadium? We will definitely go and boo the Astros no matter what and I think we actually already gave away some tickets so so we're going to have to find a way to to pay that off all right. Let's check voicemails. You can always contribute to the listener. Voicemail line five three zero three seven seven sixty seven ten or if it's easier five three zero. Espn seven ten funds. What do you got today? Now what do you guys want to hear some John Ireland hate or Jingle John Ireland Hate Appetite Ireland? Hey that's good island Branko from San Diego. I'm a huge fan. Show really happy to hear. You guys threw up his time. Keep hearing you gotTa keep hearing some talk about sports talk with. I didn't have you know I know a lot of voicemails have been about Jon Allen Pronunciation thing. I gotta say I I really enjoy listening to John During the Games but had you had a question. How is that the same person enunciation says ninety nine? To Ninety five is the score is also the same person that turns pray parade into one syllable prayed. I don't understand how those two things go together. There's no consistency there. Over an empty hitting something and then turning a two syllable word into what Sobel? That's this is. This is a very good catch. There's a there's a few words what was that Guy's name fetch what is his name. Frank. O. S. T. Frank Frank are few words like for example if Mason if you get a if you are having medical problems and you call nine one one. What is the name of the vehicle that arrives at Your House Ambulance Ambulance? Yes see. That's not that's not the correct pronunciation. The Lakers win the title down. Figueroa they will have. What a parade afraid. No right it's a two syllable word parade yeah. I don't know that there's certain words that have just for whatever reason escaped me. These are really nitpicking. No no that's fine. That's what the weight that is the nature Lindsey of social media wants. Everybody had a voice. Then people like I remember when social media came out. People on twitter were ripping about this ripping. Vin scully tweets. Like I know everyone loves Vin scully. But he's too old for me. Get rid of them really. That's that's what you took the time to tweet rid of Vin scully. So if you're going to give everyone a voice you have to put up with the good and the bad all right. Let's hear Jingle. I got one more already. Mason show smarter than Allen. Okay so I wanNA point something up happened I mean. Can we get the original jingle? 'cause I I don't think people are getting what we're going for him to have a element to it got. Espn seven love. Sports see see. The sports is like an exclamation point at the end of the hot tune. That's what we're looking for a hot tune with some kind of exclamation point at the end that we can use some back from commercial breaks. Actually that one that one is playing at the top of the hour for us right now yes a little just a little sing man a little sting a little music sting what else you got the Mason Ireland. Show some terms. They talk about sports. Okay I will point out again. That's not a jingle that is a slogan that is not a jingle that was the same as the last one. So those guys are in you leaving Lindsey our their actual jingles or they all slogans. No we've got some jingles. We've got let's see. Oh yeah there's one. That's like the guy does it to beverly hillbillies can you? Can you identify that? So does which wanted to play against. Okay here we go. Mason Ireland plenty. I got an opening for your show from admits into a story about a man named the Ohio. Board mother there two three and one day just because he was breaking wind through the door. Weapon any mayerling Don. That is silver spoon. One percenter while the next thing you know Steven John Repaired and they found an embassy. Oh who would food? I'm on the Air California's the place. You will begin so they loaded up. They're gearing. They moved to save and Teen Radio that is. Espn the Megyn Ireland show. Don't let alone that little instead. Some bad you're playing talking about Bravo is what we're looking for is a tour divorce. Who was that guy? That was excellent. I believe her name. You didn't leave a callback. Leave your name and give you full credit guarantee. That's going right into the rotation right in coming back from a break with that right there. That is clever that a smart that has that's got some it he's captured. The show captured the show. That is brilliant. Yeah we need more that yeah five three Oh. Espn seven. Ten jingles not slogans jingles. Why don't you got fudge? Hey this is my jingle for Mason in Ireland. You don't WANNA lose. You WanNa win. An Rams Dodgers Lakers news on. Espn turn your dial am seven ten. It's afternoons with Mason and Ireland. It's afternoons with Mesa and Ireland News Mason and I I love you. Guys have a good estimate. Works for me. Yeah not a bad effort at all. But that's that's better than the slogans. Yeah better than slogans and what I really want you to do is to cut these up because I think that's totally acceptable. I want to come back from commercial breaks with those so I've been sending I've been sending these two morale's so small and so he can actually make rejoined so fun. Shoot it on even have to worry about that. We have you know rouses just GonNa create all these fancy schmancy rejoins with all these jingles worked into them so we hope hookah and he's very talented. He do it for sure. By the way I put out my list of five greatest living actors John on twitter and I'm getting hammered by fiber Streep Nicholson Pacino Deniro and I put the CAPRIO. Yeah the champ. Rio Fits the two that most people are upset about our hanks and Denzel and Daniel Day Lewis. I don't think you can put body of Work Leonardo DiCaprio against Enzo Washington and pick DiCaprio. I was GONNA say the same thing. People are upset about Denzel and not Leo like they don't even belong to the same conversation. I don't think well no. Leo's been nominated for six Academy Awards Denzel Zeman nominated for seven there right but then we're in the same area code we decide. That's not the that's not necessarily the right measure. No you said you said the right measure is not wins. I think nominations is the right measure. Nominations mean you see how many times we say the wrong guy probably one but if you get nominated don't you think that means something that means you are one of the best six at whatever you were doing for that year? So Leo's got six. How many does Denzel have seven so there is close? Yup Leila's one win. It's just the the if you throw out wins and then yeah you can. You can have got to. He's got a supporting and he's got a lead. He's got the lead for trying to work through one more Aviv. Bad Not bad lieutenant. What's his big one training day and then is supporting one was for glory civil war movie which is a great for move if you're looking for a great movie to watch it's Ed Zwick directed at glory fantastic movie and a great great denso. That's the first Oscar. One was for best supporting but yeah I think they're in the same category I I. I'm a big Leo Fan. I'm a very big Leo Fan. Hank's is in the conversation. Christian Bale is in the conversation Christian. Bale is really great. Did you ever see that movie with Christian? Bale lost one hundred ten pounds and got so frigging skinny. It was insane. Was that American psycho. No it was called the the the the machinist the machinist Google that the pictures the images are disturbing how skinny he got. Oh my God I just pulled up again. Oh my God is so Daniel Day Lewis and Christian. Bale are the total method actor to completely commit to the. Yeah Yeah so yeah. It's a good discussion like greatest living baseball player. I think everybody comes down with the same answer. Yeah Willie mays right but as soon as Willie passes away. What's the answer? I think some people. Well Yeah Henry should bury bond to can't consider because he's got too much baggage. Yeah I don't consider if you consider if you put it this way you and I both do. If you consider Hank Aaron the all time home run camp next your answer and you and I both do. So yeah. There's your answer greatest living basketball player ever. It's either Jordan or Kareem Right. Sure absolutely bill. Russell won eleven titles. Yeah Bill Russell has got to be there I mean they his name is on the MVP award or on the finals MVP award right right. Yeah I think it goes willie mays Hank Aaron. Hey did we. We never paid off your regio thing right. Yeah we never did. We'll see that. Now we've got Five o'clock fasttrack coming up in less than twenty minutes Mason. Oh and by the way I did exactly what somebody said yesterday. Name the name of that song name. The name of that Song GonNa make it harder. You're going to have a lot of no answers. I think. Let's see maybe maybe it's you versus Lindsay. Name the name of that song that's coming up. Mason Ireland seven ten. Espn the things. I learned about John Ireland stuff. I never knew I was always afraid to ask. But when you get into a podcast you can pretty much ask anything nowhere to go exactly. Yep So we got this Roger. Goodell thing but first. Somebody's got a jingle that called in and We're always we're we're kind of in search of jingles and it's Jason From Long Beach Jason. You're on seventy. Espn yes she's got to turn down your radio. Okay I know where he got. Okay shot up to my boy. Checkup FOR LAKERS RAMS or USC COM Mason and Ireland. Call Mason for Jacob all of that Jacob love that yeah. Let's let's record that. I say we run that you know why not all right. So Roger Goodell appeared somewhere today talking about something and I thought we would bring you some of that. He is actually. He was on the get up. That's right. I saw him on the get up today here. He is on the importance of shopping. Somewhere about somewhere about something. he He talked about the importance of keeping the off season schedule as it is. I think our job is to be prepared. Be Prepared for the season to continue to do things to get ready Obviously it's a different year for all of us We've had to make modifications in our off season program We had to make significant changes to our draft And those are all appropriate in their right to do and We you know part of what this is about is continuing to work from home. Be Productive from home. Continue to do things we're supposed to do and be prepared There's a lot of things we can't control them the world obviously but there there are things we can and we should control those things so trying to keep things On schedule here he is whether or not the. Nfl season will start on time. Well I don't know the answer to You know things that can happen. They can prevent it from from occurring. But I think our job is to plan and we are planning to make sure we're ready to go. We're ready to play We obviously put public safety As a party one for us we demonstrated that when we've had a natural tragedies such as hurricanes that We always make sure that we're doing the right things To one for public safety but to support the first responders make sure we're doing things right. We are working with our medical teams. We're working with medical teams at CDC and H. and from state to state. And we we. We are doing with the draft. We didn't ask for any exemptions from the draft. We are doing this within regulations from state to state everybody's home everyone's operating under the same guidelines that the states have dictated or the federal government. And we're GONNA continue to be able to do that but our job is to be ready to play and we will be ready to play. And that's what we expect to do. Here he is on the most important things to do to get players back on the field. Well I think it starts with safety so that's number one for us and it's number two and three so our medical teams are talking and obviously working with all the experts so that that will be number one for us. But you know one of the things I've learned Mike is you. Don't you know you gotTa make decisions with the facts that you have people who project where we're going to be you know two weeks or now much less three months from now you know it's it's speculative still we don't know and I think you know I don't like to engage in the speculation business? I'd like to deal fact so you know we're focused on right now. Is Making sure we proceed to make sure we look at our facilities as you know. All of our facilities are close team facilities. That's one of the reasons we're doing this from home. Next focus will be Within obviously the state regulations as we re opened the economy. We're working with the governments to try to make sure we reopen those facilities in the safe in the appropriate way. And we will continue to do that. So that's our really our next level of focus once we get through the draft. Harry is on the possibility of playing with no fans this season again. I'm not GonNa Speculate Mike. But you know we're GonNa do the things we need to do to make sure we're operating safely and that includes fans so we can't obviously bring Fans into a stadium environment without being safe. We'll look at alternatives. But I you know I think at this stage you know. Everything's on the table. We've got to be smart and we want to try to do what we can to continue playing football but do it incredibly safely And the very last thing from Roger. Goodell is the Shoot I lost it. I lost here. He is on calling off the names and the draft from his basement. Well I affectionately called the man cave in our family because as you know I have twin girls my and It really hasn't been a man cave but it is where I watch football when I'm home on the weekends when I'm not traveling and It's it's the perfect spot for it. I'm looking forward to being down there We got a pretty well set up now. It's going to be a little different than it is. Obviously when I'm watching games on Sunday but We'll we'll we'll make it work. It'll be terrific and it'll be fun I it so there you have it. That is tomorrow that he will be in his basement calling out draft picks for the NFL draft. And by the way I've got one last mock draft that's coming out mocked five point. Oh dear I'm gonNA finally Sali's mock draft five point. Oh and I intend to win our our contest. You don't seem to care about it but George I know is very heavily. Invested is very heavily invested the morning. Show keyshawn those guys are very good not less invested a keyshawn keyshawn. This is like to the death. He's got. He's got drafted in his house. Yeah men his houses. He's got one of those magnetic draft boards rallies around out key. Shawn's board for this contest. So they're keyshawn tomorrow for the draft. If I weren't working if he's not working already you might be working. He's doing the show with both tomorrow night and Friday night so I think we'll have them for cross talk. Good okay perfect perfect all right and by the way it was also going to put this out John. There are many ways to reach us. And they're going to continue to be many ways you can hashtag ask. Mason in Ireland on twitter. Our phone line is always open. Our voicemail line is five three zero. Espn seven ten. And I'm officially opening my Personal Email Account John. It is Venice. Mace at gmail.com Venice. Mace at gmail.com. See what comes in there. Okay and coming up next for you. It's five o'clock fasttrack Mason Ireland seven ten espn.

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Big Little Lies | Season 2 Premiere Recap

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Big Little Lies | Season 2 Premiere Recap

"The season two premiere of big little lies, what have they done is over. But we are just getting started here on push recap. So everybody, I am Josh Wigger, and I am joined here by woman who insists that she is not wearing fake teeth. The teeth is wearing are entirely her own. They are, but you are of like a modest height. So I believe that we can trust you. You're trustworthy person, Emily heels to this Emily FOX in the podcast studio. How are you, Emily? So who are we planning to kill who are we planning to kill? We're planning to kill time for you on a rainy Monday in, in New York City. Maybe not rainy wherever it is. You are listening to this podcast and let's be honest. It's probably not Monday anymore, by the time that this podcast is airing, maybe it is. But either way. We are here talking the first new episode of big little lies since twenty seventeen I was just looking at it online, actually I didn't realize we had a whole break. Yeah. Well, it's been a long time. I mean, I think that HBO they, they like sharp objects filled that space that was left in the void women could, we've covered otherwise. I know right there. They're back with, with a second season and we and I have already recorded our preview shows that this is our second big little lies podcast. Hopefully, you listened to that one in this isn't a total blindside that this podcast exists though, if it does exist, hopefully, a happy, blindside hope hopefully you're up for that. We've been really touched by the response really big response from from those of you out there who are listening to this and showed a lot of excitement and appreciation for the existence of what we had called on the podcast. Big little guys, but has since been rebranded, by the. The great Brendan Fitzpatrick behind the push recaps Twitter. Account wig little is. And I've also seen bigwig allies. I Emma said like bigwig allies, and that I was like, I gotta stop widow law, skirt that have been cute. I would've liked it which do you like more wig, little lies or bigwig allies? I like wig little little lies. So wait, little lies is happening right now as the great Emily FOX, my wonderful wife as joined me for another season of podcasting any regrets yet don't you feel angry? The only regret that I have is like your wet Streep, just look like you're deep in your phone right now. Keep holding your phone, but I just I can't tell if like you're if you're in this or not are you in this Unum? So in that my notes are pulled up. Okay. So you want for me. I want I want to podcast I'm going to do a great job. I want you to do a great job living with you. I have so much to live up to you. You've a lot. You've lots of live up to a very big deal. I don't know if you know this about me your. Very wig deal. Very wait till you have nothing to live up to. I, I am nothing. I am. Nobody. I am the son of a wonderful mother, who is, who is listening to this podcast, very likely right now shout out to mama wigs, who is going to be along for the ride audience here on wig little lies which I promise we will not censor any of our commentary she has she has opted into listening on this podcast at her own risk. Any awkward commentary? It just we can't we can't censor ourselves. We can't check ourselves. We just have to pretend like we're podcasting without my mother listening in. Okay. Are you comfortable with that? Of course, I am so sorry in advance, we're gonna say very awkward and terrible. Things we are. I certainly am. I promise that context of the show. Yeah. But like, like your own relation like, are you like my mom would show up with fake teeth? Well, no, I death why I wasn't magin that, like what if I had died under mysterious circumstances, and like my mother came to live with you and are twins? And came to live with you and the twins to, like, help like reconcile things and get things back to normal. And if she was like mega suspicious that something like dark and sinister had happened to me. I mean, my mom is the nicest human being on the planet, but I think she blow her top ones. Mom would be upset if their son died under the circumstance, she would have a huge scream of grief, and it would be it would be very alarming at the dinner table. Yeah. Probably remember when you had a huge scream of grief last night. Yeah. We were getting out of context horribly personal. We're getting not very flattering for me. Yeah, thanks for this. You really set me up here now we're getting ready to go to bed and you call to me from the bathroom to be like Amer you listening. And I looked up and in that moment, there was a giant centipede on the wall, right next to our bedroom wood down a screamed really, really loud, much like Meryl Streep had screamed just a few minutes earlier, as we were watching the big little lies like everyone every thirty seconds and the show is, which we've also been binge-watching, as you may have to check out a different time cast to get our takes on. Is the pilot the pilot season by Michael j Clarke, that is an episode that I will be featured on in the not too distant future. So shout out to Michael who will also be featured here in this podcast not terribly long from now because he is one of the many people who sent in feedback and by many people, I mean, not a ton of people yet, but we're really we're in our infancy here on wig little lies. This is episode one really easy to get your feedback into us Poche. Oh, recaps dot com slash feedback is the direct form. It'll send us an E mail that's really easy for us to collate and collect. So I love that form. But if you want to tweet at us that is also chilled. That's really cool. You can do that lease at Emmett like an omelet with an E instead of the. Oh, yeah. Why are you staring at me? Like you're doing a great. Okay. Well, it just felt like I said it wrong I'm at round. Howard. That's me. Did I say omelette weird? I said, I'm Elit as if that's how you pronounce on what? That's what I got checking. All right. But you can tweet your feedback to us that way you can also tweet to the post show. Recaps Twitter account at post show, recaps that those are the those are the best ways to, to get your feedback in as we've said before recording these mostly on Mondays they got a little bit of a turnaround, a huge amount of space to get your to get your feedback in, but we'd love to have that we'd love to be able to dissect your thoughts all season. Long would also love it. If you subscribe to post show recap so that you can listen to what we are doing here on the big little lies podcast Poche show. Recaps dot com slash I tunes to subscribe, an tunes. We're just subscribe on whatever podcast platform of choice you choose us, we do not have a dedicated feed yet, for big little lies. I'll look into that. So for now just subscribe to the main Poche oh, recos feed, not a ton of activity outside of big little lies right now on the post show recap side of things anyway. So you'll mostly beginning a pretty filtered, big little lies speed for the next little while though, I will. Teas that a good friend of mine who I've not podcast with in a very long time. He and I are going to be getting together for a little bonus coverage of, of something rather delayed later this week. So keep an ear out for that. We also have the throne owners the game of thrones award show. Our final game of thrones podcast is going to be coming your way next week voting ends tonight, as we are recording this June tenth. So again, maybe a little late. Lots of boats have already come in. We're really excited about that. We're gonna have a really fun show for you there. So keep an ear out for all of that. You like when I say that keeping your out for all of that, I keep thinking of ear wigs, which are close cousins of centipedes. Yes. Friends of mine, the air wigs we get along rather. Well, wow, your wig, your weight little lies. All right. Let's let's, let's hit it into the episode proper because we're almost ten minutes. And we haven't really talked about little lies, which is unfortunate start. But we have a lot of business. Get through up front season two of big little lies. It is upon us. We now kind of wondered like what's the what's the show going to look like in a second season this originally conceived as done in one novel and so it done in one miniseries of the show one and done. I've met one and done, but it was done. You can also say it was in one book, it was done in one season, and it is now going to be done in at least two seasons. Who knows if it's going to if it's going to have life beyond this, but I think that these actors obviously just loved working together. I think that the team involved in creating the show loved working together. We have a different director on board as we've mentioned in our preview show. Andrea Arnold is has stepped behind the camera in place of Jean-Marc valet who was such a tone setter, for the first season of the show. And I don't know if you noticed got a special, thanks at the end of the credits. So clearly a lot of reverence. To the person who kicked off the, you know, the direct Oriels. I'd little is it is not as involved for for season two, but just even before we get into what happened in the episode for you Emily did did the first episode like justify the existence of a second season of big, little lies were you satisfied with this. Did you feel like this is a good choice? I'm glad that they went back to the well, I might be coming from the perspective of we could have let this exists with ally where. Yeah. Interesting how come I sort of feel like the dialogue, while it's obviously the same characters in the same people didn't feel a smooth chur feels a little bit more contrived this time around and I don't know. I think maybe it's because I'm sitting there with a critical eye knowing that the book was written, and we sort of finished off the book and the first season at the second season is sort of, like. Uncharted territory where we're going to go at this. I think as I, I re washed it again, because I wanted to sort of take notice of smaller things, and I liked it better, the second time I watched it. Yeah. So I don't know if I was being a little bit too judgy in critical of it just because I was like, really close to the original because the original was so good. Are we? Are we beating a dead horse by doing this? Is it really necessary to do, but then Merrill, won me over, and I was like okay well signed on to this. There's got to be some juicy bits throughout this. Oh, many juicy bits. Everybody knows that juicy bits I kind of agree with you, and I, or at least I agree with you to the point where like I was a little cocky about it. I was excited that you and I were gonna have an excuse to podcast together and lower per season. And so I, I was, I was going to be happy about all of this anyway. But I think when the we got into the opening credits and the theme song is just like it was slightly different in our Castro track in the background, and they put strings in. And so it just kind of felt like a little bit off right off the bat and then I saw in the opening credits. I saw the and Meryl Streep and you know how they for all the leading women on the show. They show them driving the car from the backseat perspective still in. See turtle was still there. But I think it was what I saw for. The turtle in the credit, Emily loves the credits. When, when I saw the when I saw Meryl Streep in the front seat I was like, okay I can't, I can't be anything but really excited. Right. Like upon second watch, I was like, okay, yeah. Yeah, I hear, I think it took some getting used to. It was a little bit. I mean it's definitely feels different directors are gonna be different. I suspect that's probably why what I noticed most feels like a little brighter. The coloring feels, just like it just kind of feels like a brighter show. There's some like aesthetic changes. Yeah. There's like different haircuts and stuff. You're not a bang Smith. Not necessarily it was just it was just a little things look a little different in season two. And so that was that was noticeable for me. It took a little bit of getting used to as it always does. None of this stuff is seamless. If you if you stop fill year and are creating a brand new scripted storyline. Right. But I think oddly enough, I was really I was really went over by the complexity of the Meryl Streep character. I like that. It seems like this first season isn't in the same way building up to a future event so much as it's looking backward. You know, I think that like you're kind of through the looking glass of the of the big karaoke debacle. Yeah, we're through the looking glass like the entire first season is building up to what's going to happen on this night. Now, we know so now rather than building up to some other traumatic event, I'm sure that they're going to be traumatic events along the way. And I'm sure that there will even be like a big traumatic event by the end of the season, but it doesn't feel like. Setting that up in the same way talking heads are done with. We're not doing like we're still going into the interrogation room to agree. But we're checking in with with the Monterey five. I like that. Branding, by the way. We're checking with the Monterey five instead of all these other talking heads. We're now more characters on the show like the principal is like actively like worried about gluten free cupcakes and baked goods and stuff like that. Right. But, like do I care to know more about him, maybe not? And he makes a snide joke about like services only being reserved. No. Ed is the snide one. He's this night one. You're right. That's right. Sorry, that word so fresh in my mind. Fresh so many. I know. Yeah, he's really hard f- describing, I don't know. I don't care about some of these referral characters anymore than I did in the last season. So I don't really care to know about what the more one episode right? Like it's one. The other piece of it. And so, I was I was sucked in by by Merrill, as Mary Louise, who really talk about more. I liked that. It seemed to be kind of like rather than rather than like trying to like swim really far out and find like what's the next island out there? Like, what's the next storyline that we really need to ourselves to and rather than doing that? Feels like it's sinking. Right. Like it sinking into the vortex of this horrible thing that happened and why did there need to be ally about it? That's something that even wondered about. I love that part where everyone's like, we'll Madeline just came up with this, and you're all going along with it. And why couldn't we just be straightforward from the get-go? So I think that that's really exciting. I think that it's a Smart Choice, rather than, you know, rather than really giving us something to look forward to. I think it was a really smart creative choice to give something that we're reflecting back on it because there's so much more information that we know about, like, we didn't know anything really from. We didn't know. We didn't know how Jane like interacted with Perry. For instance, like the big cataclysmic event that came out of that, but knowing that it was Perry, that was father in that it was Perry that raped Jane like ads this horrible human face to this horrible atrocious act. And I feel like being able to dig into the character elation ships, now, between Jane and Celeste, and keeping Perry kind of in the mix, as bogeyman we're seeing these nightmare sequences, where's even seeing flashbacks and stuff? I think it's a compelling choice that the thing that really, really want me over was the episode is like forty five that's it forty two. I don't I don't have the exact Runtime but man, more fortyish minute dramas in this day and age. Please. Run time. It was it was wonderful. I was thrilled. I think that they're probably a lot of people who are disappointed by that, that, like it was nine forty four and we were already at the credits. And I think that the episode began at, like nine three. Yeah I'm fine with that. I'm happy with that. I think that going a little bit shorter a little bit tighter. I've got no issue at that whatsoever. So I think that this has the potential to be a really briskly told, obviously, incredibly acted compellingly directed, the editing still in place. A lot of those choices of, you know, letting things kind of speak for themselves rather than really leaning on a moment too long. I love all of that. So in a lot of ways, like it feels a little bit different and feels like if there's a big little lies a little bit of a new coat of paint, on the house feels like the same house. I craved the structure that we had in season one, and I think that sort of colored my sort of judgement on it to where I was like, oh, I really loved, how jumping all over the place. And this one seems a little bit more fluid even though it's, it's basically. Book ended by Celeste having terrible nightmares, which I think is really creative in a way where she's just like going through all of these motions and Harry's in it and horrible things are happening. And then Mary Louise there, each time, she wakes up, she's a real nightmare. Look lurker will. Yeah. Terrifying right as we sort of unveil each of these layers, where she's very she snide. She's little. All of those good things. Let's, let's delve into all day. I think it'd be better than digging into it seen by seeing, I think it would be better to just like kind of go into each character story and sort of focus in that way. But in broad strokes the season premiere takes place several months, at least after Perry's death. I don't think probably quite a full year. But it's a new year. It's second grade. It's the start of second grade. It was first grade. And I write book, it's kindergarten first grade for the show. And then obviously this second grade, the children are growing up. They look bigger that weird. These big little guys, like they're they're really growing up before our. Big little is. We've got you know, everyone is we've got like the season to season to glow up for so many of these different characters. The show is beginning at the start of second grade. And everybody is carrying the secret of what happened very differently. And it seems like these women are drawn closer to. Gather in, in some ways, like Renata is hanging out in a car with, you know, three of the other women that was sort of a meeting of the minds, though. But, like we're seeing like they're interacting a little bit more. It feels like they're bonded by this traumatic event. I do think that a lot of the character dynamics that we are seeing in this first episode make it pretty clear that the is going to stop working at some point and the not race of it. He says, you know, at some point in the not-too-distant future. I think that a lot of this stuff is the carts gonna fall apart, and we see a bit of that already in this episode that Bonnie is taking it really hard. Madeline is really trying to just kind of tell the company line Celeste is trying to deal with the fact that she has this very big presence in her household in Mary Louise, also her own feelings on the marriage or complicated, which I think, is cool. Gene is Jane seems like she's doing pretty well yeah she upgraded, she's living in a great love you. Looking apartment. But, but there really is bangs now husbands are doing their thing. Everybody's kind of just like basically the same exact person. The kids, not a ton to talk about in that realm yet. I know we're seeing more of Josh and max interacting a little bit. Yeah. We are seeing more of that. So we don't know exactly what those stories are billing to quite yet. But I think that we can we can take stock of where everybody stands, and let's start with, you know, the essential main character of the show, it's an samba. But if there's, if there's one who sort of at the forefront, I think it's Reese Witherspoon as, as Madeleine who NC one. She's unemployed fulltime mom now. She's not. She works part time at the community theater. Right. She had just brought that onto herself because she had spent a longtime being unemployed fulltime. Mar she wanted to build that into her life. Did we get a sense of what happened to avenue? Q. Did it did it? Go forward doesn't mention as really say, we always see is the inner director's wife wife. Yeah. We haven't we haven't seen him we haven't seen. I think. Joseph, I believe, is in the prototype. Josef Bachmann, played by Sanogo Cabrera or as hero Nakamura prefers to call him Isaac Mendez, the great comic book illustrator with the ability to, to see the future through to render the future through through his art. All right. Real back, perhaps avenues. You is the storyline of new Q will be instructive for how big little lies will end. So, you know, go back and studied the puppets. Now you're not going to do it. So hit we haven't seen him yet. But Madeline she's a realtor now. Yeah. Selling houses, and she's apparently killing it. Crushing the game. Yeah. She's doing really well, like printing money in Monterey. Yeah. That's what she says. Do you like that? This is something that she's poured her energy into. She seems like how do you feel like she's processing everything that's happened? Like she mental is like she has everything else in her life. Yeah. It's pretty clear. Yeah. She's really poured her energy into making sure that she's distracted perfectionism man. Yeah. She's feel that she's. No idea what you're talking about. But it's, it's not even like she's really kind of like mama bearing the lie. Mama bearing the five. Yeah, well, I think that she's she, she understand we see in this episode that things with Abigail with her with her daughter are out of her control at the very least whether you want to, like, make value judgment on what it is Abigail wants to do Abigail wants to be part of this startup this for profit for homeless housing. And she doesn't want to go to college, and mandolin takes that very, very personally because I guess Madeline didn't go to college. She was too young of a mom, apparently got it, so she, she didn't get the chance. And she's that her daughters gonna be flipping burgers. She's gonna be working, WalMart whatever you know, she's worried for for her daughter because she, I think she looks back on her own life and wishes that there were things that she could have done differently. I mean, doesn't everyone put that on their kids. Well, I mean, even beyond kids, I think grass is greener is one of the most universal feelings of. Like you're you're on your track. And you can't help. But think about what's on the parallel track. Even though you would hop over to the parallel tracking. I wonder what's on the parallel track, you know, there's a little tracks every parallel, which lanes and traffic knows this feeling the point is we'll never be satisfied always feel a little bit empty. Sort of like this dead air that just occurred us. You don't know how to respond to that. We got we got to work on that. All right. So battling Natalie. Matal then it just very dramatic pause. So Madeleine is she's boring a lot into this. And she seems like she's really trying to control the situation and it turns out that she was the one who got everybody to agree upon the lie. Which is kinda surprising to me that everybody played along with that considering Madeline was wasted at the karaoke at the charity event. And like what did she like sober up enough immediately to be like, we gotta lie about this, and here's the plan and everyone's like true. True. Okay. So here's the thing. If you everybody else was stone cold sober. I think where it was close enough, even if they had one drink a little bit lubricated to greed to something that is very traumatic that just happened front of their eyes and they only have a few minutes to really collectively figure out what to do. I just think that it's a prize at the person who pounded like nine drinks. Address, and three you when I watched the finale before we watched the premiere like right before she has, like three drinks in one shot in the aren't they are like small, I, but, like, here's the thing, I'm just shocked that everybody is following her lead on that, and that she had the wherewithal to come up with a plan in everybody else's again on that makes a lot more that makes sense. What do it's fight or flight? I guess, and they were all like you're flipping out because all of this stuff just happened. So quickly escalated, you know, in a matter of minutes. Yeah. So what do you do you all get together you huddle and say, okay, how are we gonna get out of this right either way the following her lead, it does feel like at the very least Bonnie, maybe she'll be like kind of catalyst for this. But she seems like the one who's like, I don't know why. Well, she has the heaviest burden to bear killed man. Yeah. It's a big deal now nothing is not nothing. It's not especially since she came out of nowhere. Did it book? I've been reading she. She has much more of a character arc. So it makes more sense, why she would be involved in this now that I have enough distance from both things. I'm seeing that are they kind of transposing the character arc from the book into season two does it seem like I don't really know yet. Okay. It's not enough of the season for me to really make judgment on that. She does seem kind of out of left field with the murder in the show versus how she's portrayed in the book. Okay. We'll see see where that goes binds parents are going to be characters in season two. Oh, so maybe there's, they're going to dig deeper into into Bonnie. We'll, we'll get into her in a little bit through through Madel in, even though this character is, is most directly connected to Celeste, and we'll talk about Celeste in a moment, think, Madeline leads us really nicely into just like let's stop bearing the le-. Let's talk about Meryl Streep. Mary Lou e Mary effing. Louise, mary. Louise Wright is the character that Meryl Streep is playing, and I'm so happy that we have seven full weeks of this character. What, what an instantly? Nomination. Oh, yeah. I think probably, I would guess a locked up an EMMY win for Maryland. Right. Meryl Streep market down everyone. I think I would I mean I don't know who competes. I don't know who competes when you've got Meryl Streep putting in fake teeth. I know to align herself, and maybe you didn't notice this brevity on herself to align herself very we's as played by Meryl Streep Meryl Streep is is has fake teeth to play this character. And I noticed instantly that something something unusual was happening with Meryl Streep's mouth that doesn't look like Meryl Streep's mouth, something is different here. And it turns out that she is wearing fake teeth for the part of Mary Louise this year. There's an article on Volker today that dives into that a little bit more and it was her decision. It was a Meryl Streep choice that she wanted her teeth to more closely visit line without Zander, scars. Yards so that she looks away. Perry's mother. And that's, that's true, dedication, right. Then ultra article is written hilariously either way. It's very funny read. And it does a lot of going back and forth between like gifts of Alexander Skarsgard, as Perry and Meryl Streep as Mary, Lou really wants Dylan to come into this. I mean, that would be incredible stone scars problem with still in scars guard as he can't do a great American accents. He's fine. That doesn't have to be American. I guess that's true because he could just be stone, scars he'd be like came over from Sweden. Why am I like even what universe in my living in where I'm trying to pooh-pooh, more stone Skarsgard? Yeah. Practically live in a glass house. How could glass house indeed Chernobyl just ended stone guard? He's, he's tied into the HBO family. I would be it'd be thrilled maybe season three let's just keep meeting. Is any power over still in scars guard or any other Swedish actors, Robin note to HBO. If you have the stone Skarsgard charm voodoo doll. And I know one of you does I want you to, to March that Rudol into HBO headquarters and demand a meeting and get him into the room, and then everything will fall into place beyond that Meryl Streep fake teeth to look more, like Alexander Skarsgard gonna win an EMMY that's an EMMY winning decision and his commitment. Yeah. I mean it's impressive. So let's talk about her. Let's talk about her chilling in how freaky issue and it's a, it's a, it's a very, funnily written article it's very I laughed a lot reading it. But there was there was a great point that it that it stressed in, in that Volcker piece that talks about, like, you know, beyond the utility of making mary-louise, look more like Perry's mother, and I think like that's a little bit debatable. I don't know how much of a job it's accomplished there. It is giving you some strange distance from this icon ick. Actor that you're, you know, Meryl Streep so well. And you've seen her in a thousand different things, and she's so recognizable. You know, she is one of the most famous human beings on the planet, one of the most accomplished, and gifted performers of our lives. And she's, she's dropped into this character and just like something a little bit off something a little bit different something, a little lake there was this sort of as the volt trapeze, 'cause it like this uncanny valley quality about her because you're like something's wrong with her mouth like that doesn't look like Meryl Streep, and I think it does in that regard. I think it does a highly effective job of absorbing you into the work that she is doing this character. Attling that always happens with her where she she melts into whatever she does, what makes her so good. Yes. So she's fully melted into the role of Mary Louise, who we see very quickly. Like she's I interacting with Celeste, like, she's, she's there when Celeste is having nightmares, and she's really at her side. She's defending Celeste in the car ride. With the boys, the boys are not treating their mother. Respectfully, so it's sending all of us up to be like, what a great support system. She has now it's like the first tube. Billy great screams from Mary Louise, she's screaming and defense of Celeste, she talks about how fine young gentlemen, started fine, young boys, a great lesson, take heed, but you get to get to see her fangs literally in the in the form of like you really start to notice the teeth. But you really get to see the fangs when she opens her mouth and goes, and you really get to see her chewing on scenery as she as she as she is sipping some. Coffee at the cafe, where Madeleine and Celeste are both going after drop off, and it's the first exchange of assume, many, but tween Mary, Louise, and Madeleine who they must've PAT's must have crossed the funeral but they don't know each other terribly. Well and gloves off right away. But in that passive aggressive way. That's so much fun where Mary Louise. She says very short, but I don't I don't mean that in a negative negative way. But maybe I do like she's like immediately dismissing nice. It's great. Yeah. It's so great because Reese Witherspoon is incredible. And I think an underrated actress I think that she's, she's, she's obviously icon IQ and she's super fun in most things that she's in. But I think often like, we underrate just how super talented she is. And to see her in this role with her brand of energy, going up against Meryl Streep as Mary Louise. It's really, really combustible. Yeah, I agree. I agree Superfund to see the two of them like little lenses that she's like snooty ING over everything. Everything about her aesthetic is awesome, just like the short haircut glasses the way that she her posture yet. The teeth. Yeah. You feel tremendous judgment just being in the same room watching her. Yeah. And you're not even seen by her. You know what I mean? Like I- mmediately, it's like a chill in the air. She has a line later in their second scene of the episode when she is going to, to look at real estate, and she's at the same real estate agency that Madeleine works at, and she kind of apologizes like it's a very old. Apology, non apology for the way that she treated her earlier in the episode and talks about how Madeline reminds her of an old friend from boarding school who was trustworthy, and had like this, like, false pretense about her, and she said, and you've just remind me of her so much. Yes. Brutal. Well, I have to sell you the dinner seeing with Celestin the boys where she feels like screaming. Yes. That's what locked me an where I was like, okay, this is going to be great. Yes. And I almost feel as though the director, new to where she was like, no. This is how we're gonna really usher everybody. I think everybody knew it was going to be great when they walked in Meryl Streep. Well, yeah, but, like, that's what really got me. I just I lose my mind over this quote, when she's talking about how little boys miss their fathers and all these other little boys, like have their fathers, but nobody ever sort of measures up to what Perry was, and then she talks about being among her peers and how all of them have sons, she goes, I felt so angry angry that they're mediocre. Second rate pudgy balding middle management sons are still Perry. I wanted to scream, so you know what I did. I did scree on here. Oh, god. Don't do it. No. Okay. I already got it out last night at the center like seriously. How chilling is that? Very so good. I don't know. I don't I don't know where it's going to go. 'cause like I, I can't like I don't think that they can. I don't know what the what the violent future of big little lies, is, you know, this isn't a violent show. It's, it's a secretive, like violent sort of undertone. You know what I mean? There's a lot of violence in the relationship between parents, less than that was always really, really harrowing, because it was so like it felt like so far away from the facade, that's put on by so many of these other characters to imagine that, that's probably something very Louise taken on or had you do. I mean listen. You can't just say automatically Perry was abusive. So he comes from abusive parents, we don't know that you can't make a blanket statement like that. But it makes you wonder where did he come from? Right. And so we're seeing that at the very least like she is, she's very emotionally intense to the point. Of being emotionally in verbally abusive in this very sharp snide way towards Madeline. And you wonder what she is grooming Celeste towards because is having murdering someone having these nightmares and Celeste, the final scene of the episode is went Celeste has that has that nightmare. And she, you know, she lurches. I'll kill you kill you. And Mary Louise comes into reassure her in the final line, so great. So who we planning to kill, you know, and I don't think means that is all right? Let's go kill someone. But I think she's, she's trying to dig into this sleep. Talk that Celestis having. Yeah. Which is makes sense. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about Celeste Nicole Kidman back for season two. Of course, she is, she's sands Perry, but not quite I mean, Perry is dead. Alexander Skarsgard, obviously still a part of the cast, obviously still filming new material for the show and Celeste is, is not far away at all from, at the very least the ghost of this, man. First of all, did you have any thoughts on how this Celeste story is playing on anything about that, that really struck? You think it's probably pretty true to life for anybody who has gone through something, this traumatic and lost somebody that they really loved. And we're very very conflicted over, even when he was alive. You know, I think. She had a really complicated relationship, which she even says to Jane later on. It's complicated. Right. And I feel for her in that way, she sees therapist therapist is like listen. You're, you're still acting as though you're married, but your husband's dead like you need to be able to move on. And like you're still blaming yourself for all of this. When in reality, he was the one, you know, that was the abusive triggering partner in the relationship. So for her to sort of be mom in certain spots were, Mary Louise is like, aren't you angry? Why aren't you upset and she's like, oh like she, she has a lot of different emotions going through? And I think that that's perfectly normal specially given what's happened? I think it's again another smart creative choice that we're were reliving this horrific incident through her nightmares. Yeah. And through her memories to there, you're seeing you're seeing like these flashbacks between her and Perry, which I love or like slow dancing. They were kissing gently tenderly, like she's watching Perry be like a really good, dad, humans are complicated. Jane says something like that to Madel in, in the finale of season. One where Madeleine is confessing to Jane, that she's had an affair with, with Isaac Mendez the great comic book artist you could see the future. And she, she's like, you know, she says, like I'm a horrible person engines that you're not a horrible person. Welcome to the human race. Yeah. And I think that they're like degrees of, of horror. Terry was was a nightmare creature. But there are, there are associated, you can have with something very bad that are still happy, like, you know, like your relationship loved him, your relationship to something awful can be really layered and can be like, like, like, obviously, objectively, not a good thing, but can still have like bullet points of goodness. And I think that we're seeing that through the Celeste story. And I think that that's, that's fascinating. Because I'm sure that we're going to continue to see like the nightmarish holidays in him as well even within Celeste nightmares. Like we see her like at the. Like in vitro is something she. Yeah. That's just a dream. She has. She's having some dream. And I looked at you like, oh my God is possible that hit gotten her pregnant 'cause they were trying for another kid season. One wanted wanted wanted. He wanted one way he put that out there. I was wondering if that had happened. And I don't know how much time has actually passed since season. Well she she would know by now. Well, I mean, obviously, but I think what we could have been excluded from is, is there is there a baby in the family that we just haven't seen yet. I feel like that would be a big elephant the room to showing us. But in the day like day of TV, like some sort of, like big eleventh hour reveal like that feels kind of possible would feel a little cheap to me. I was wondering in the book, she apparently had for Tillis issues and they exhausted in vitro and a whole bunch of other procedures. But then she ended up getting pregnant with the twins naturally. And that was sort of a fluke thing that they neither expected. So I think maybe that's a flashback, especially since leeann moriarty's, like partially responsible for the script in this this season as well. Well, she she asked, she David Kohler credited with laboratory all of this. So maybe she's just touching back on something that was sort of negative information in the reading, but didn't necessarily translate on screen from season. One. We see, like one of the aspects of the nightmares the police lineup of the Monterey five and there are still in their, their Audrey Hepburn gear and the person who's like picking them out of the lineup is Perry. Yeah. And Celeste lashes out. That's what leads us into the final scene of the season. I'm just I'm really fascinated. See where that goes. Totally obviously, they're gonna be playing with I think, as the as the show is getting more internal into these characters. I think like expressing that outwardly. Visually is a really compelling choice. I s I think it's interesting that we're noticing, how the boys interact with one another and Celestis sort of keeping an eye on them and violent towards one another. And that's something that, you know, is just sort of like a little Easter egg of information that sort of sprinkled throughout where you see one of them stabbed the other with a fork like rats not great, no, or they're fighting in the backseat, which I think normal, kids stuff, but, like could be worse. So, you know, it's interesting to see how this might shake out Celeste. Becoming more heightened in a wear of her kids behavior because of this, how much of it is, is grief related versus like their nature and their nurture. We don't know, we don't know from Celeste, I think we could we could go on and talk about Jane who Jane like obviously newcomer to, to Monterey last season had so much baggage that she was dealing with not knowing whose father was the just the trim. The traumatic events surrounding ziggys birth, and the rape and everything like that, and the severe trust issues. And in the finale, she simultaneously puts together that her rapist, ziggys father was Celeste, husband, and then this man is killed in gently dies right away, basically, and. You wonder I wondered at the very least, like how was she going to live with that in the second season seems to be doing okay? She's in a new apartment. She's got a new job. She's working at the Monterey aquarium. Which you and I have been in that part of the country to the aquarium, we have not been to the aquarium and sea turtles second, huge missed opportunity shut up him. Let me know what we're missing should we on our next trip to, to, to the Pacific coast. We should we put the Monterey aquarium on the I hear parking is a is a challenge, really. We're going to talk about it this much. I just feel like parking's a challenge, and it should be if that's true or not at like the no, I would like to have that validated. I would like to have my car valet or me, his, John, Mark valeted for me. We have gene's working there. She's got like this new co worker that she seems to be hitting off with his Corey, he's played by an actor Dame Douglas Smith. Yes. Who is he was in big love big little love? That's what I know him. Another age HBO show. The Bill Paxton rest in peace. The Bill packs areas or been Henriksen whose eldest, son. Family. Okay. Who's also in the Bye-bye man, which was directed by the great Stacy title, and her husband, written by her husband Jonathan Penner of survivor fame. They are going through a lot and our hearts, go out to them. So he's a new character here. Douglas Smith playing Corey and seems like maybe being built up to be some kind of romantic interest for Jane possibly, which makes me feel sad for Tom. What happened to Tom there? They even go to the same coffee. Shop this time. I don't think so. I think it was a different shops, and maybe didn't Gordon, Gordon Rinat has been didn't he threatened to like poll his friends from going to the coffee shop? Have any friends to train set to the whole episode drive him out of business. You knows what Tom seems to be Noar insight, Tom. Yeah. Fell down the stairs metaphorically for. You're not a lot of Zeki in this episode in Armitage very busy being a young Sheldon. He has more hair, though. He's got more hair. He's looking a little bit older. I wonder how much of Ziggy story we will get this season because of the actors other commitments. He's got a fairy prominent job that I meant imagine is also a very demand threat to any other children, eminently, so sweet. I think that there is a story to be told and hinted at the scene between gene and Celeste where they're talking about Harry's estate. Yep. As a state, and how Celeste is trying to give Jane money from it because his biological son, and she doesn't seem to be cashing, the checks, she's not accepting the money. Yeah. She calls at rape money because it right money. So she's not, she's not feeling great about located. It's complicated for her to and other ways, obviously. So, you know, I think she still has that to kind of reckon with how that shakes out. We'll obviously see. But she does seem to be on the up and up. I, I wonder if it was a relief for her to know that he's no longer alive, feel like probably, I think I would expect that we are going to see scenes of her with Perry. Like I bet be invited in yet night. Now that we know who that character was now that we know that, that connection is very scared to see some of that stuff. I'm not excited for what that could look like. Yeah, I know I'm not either, but I think it draws moron on understanding her character that much more will you Cohen a moron? We have seen with gene in Celeste, and Jane is turn book. How are you? Not mad at me. You know, I slept with your husband. Right. I knew he was married. He was married at didn't know his married to you. But I knew he was married and I wasn't fine, obviously with the way that the night ended but I was fine with things getting to that point. I wonder where that's gonna go. I wonder what, what will the dynamic between Jane and Celeste be by season and was being very, very, very, very good to Jamie like marriages complicated. I don't hate you at all. I wonder wonder I wonder if there's going to be a breaking point for Celeste in general because she seems to be, you know, sort of gliding through all of this. Yeah. I mean obviously, she's very upset, but she hasn't like had her like freakout moment. Right. And will that happen? Jane will it happen at Mary Louise, we'll go to the therapist, more and really let it out. Will it happened to all of these people? We don't really know. I don't know. Bonnie, what's talk, Bonnie. What's. Zoe Kravitz and Bonnie is the one who is most obviously struggling with what happened. Yes. She's the one who literally killed Perry. And it would appear as though she doesn't feel like she can talk to anyone, including the women should feel very alone. Yeah. And I sympathize you know, I empathize ever kill anybody as far as. Certainly no centipedes. No god. You kill that. Thank you. I apologize feed into out there, I had to do. It was really. There was no other I tried to do it non lethally, like the size of my Pinkett ended up being killing and I'm sorry. Okay well struggling, and she doesn't feel like there's anything she can talk to based on the fresh death of last night for yourself. How do you feel about Bonnie, you agree with her? You would feel that way too. I mean we're letting everyone know about the centipede but well, I think oh, how would I felt if Bonnie centipede? Yeah. That's fine. Do that. No, I assume it, I think, with, with Bonnie, she, she's the one who kind of articulates like we could have just told the truth I'd be out of this. We just told the truth like it was self defense. Maybe I'd be doing community service or whatever, I think, detective Quinlan is talking earlier in the episode separate from the women and his talking about how she has. She's talking to like one of the partners in departments like it would be like twelve months community service like it wouldn't be that big of a, why would they why why would they lie. So that is the question. Why would they lie? And that hasn't really been outwardly asked, you know. Yeah. Turnley within the women within the Monterey five but I'm sure it will be. And I'm sure it will be addressed. I think Bonnie is the closest to asking that question because there's the scene remodel incomes over to both check in on bond, but also to check in on goal. Right. Because gale doesn't want to go to school. Sterry off that and Bonnie's the one who's like we should like why did we have a high? I now I can't even talk to Nathan can't even talk to my husband like they, they spent the summer at Lake Tahoe. Apparently she had an awful time. She was like very closed up and everyone else's sensing it. Nathan is trying to like be not even just like be intimate with binding. But just trying to connect with her at all. And sounds like we see we don't even just hear it. We see Bonnie and him have an interaction where she I told you just give me space just give me space. She doesn't say any kind of way that's like to hardcore or anything like that. But certainly we can empathize with, like why she feels that way? But I can imagine what it would be like from his perspective, if he's already spent a summer with her away in Lake Tahoe. And that was how she was feeling that whole summer. And now here, she is the start of the new school year, she still needs that space and she's still saying, like I need that space. I'm not ready to talk about it. You can imagine that being agonizing for a partner. Like I was like sitting on this thing that was like clearly rotting me from the inside out, and I wouldn't talk to you about it for, like, four months straight, and my interactions with you would be along the lines of, like I just need some space. Just give me just a minute. Like that would be catastrophic for the relationship, I'd have my own podcast about it. Let's with them everyone hell. So but I think, but I do think it's also very human. Like I think you can imagine like doing something so bad or at least you feel like it's something I'm sure bad guilt, and the shame, that's eating alive. And, and, you know, I think she always presented herself as someone with a strong moral compass wanting to do the right thing even if we didn't really see a multidimensional character from her from the first season. That's gonna eat away. Yeah. It's very caustic for her, obviously is very corrosive. And, and her husband's also kind of an idiot, he's a little bit of a tool, but, you know, do what are you gonna do really show it all Mr. sensitive, that would be add. But with, with Bonnie something that I want, I want to, you know, something that we absolutely have to track because Bonnie is the closest to the cops it seems like right. He'll she's like Carmel by the sea down on the bottom steps ready to walk in those closest to hollering at the police in being, like, hey, so total unfaithful move. Oh, yeah. What wondering just wanted to talk about unfavourably. There will be a more natural segue unfaithful. Maybe someday with enough support. I'm sure we could do anything, but Bonnie is, is like you say, like she, like, she's kind of, like, fording with the idea of going to the police like we see her, like near the station. We don't know if she's talked to the cops or if she chooses to talk to the cops, I wonder and it's something to track has, she already talked to the cops is that possible possible that she has already spoken with the police, and we just don't know that yet we, you know, the final, the very final image of season one, big little lies all the women on the beach, and they're together and their children are dancing in the in the water and everything and everybody's together. And we're seeing the flashes of we were watching this together last night, and you were so taken by it. The, the sequence of the ocean, just like pounding the rocks and then Perry powder. Perry County, the women, the women fighting back. It is. So Ella mental in this show's awesome. And the final thing that you see, like the ocean calms because Perry is dead. You see from the perspective. Somebody far away has is taking a picture of the women. No, it's not that it's just the, the cop has been investigating the female cop. And she's got the lighter that she flips. That's the noise that you hear it's not like someone taking a picture of final image of the first season of big little lies. There's like a blink. There's like a blink of a somebody taking a photo from a distance really. I mean well anyway listeners correcting clink of the lighter. Yeah. So it's clearly her, but we in this episode to that we get front we go. Back to that moment, we'd go back to the and we see from her perspective. We see perspective. See the detective is further away, and whether that's like something that's like playing into because this is a show that plays visions and not quite hallucinations, but plays of that sort of stuff, we're, we're kind of left to wonder, I think if you know has did that inspire her to already like talk to the cop? Is it something that she is? Remembering and thinking about, and like, yeah. Knowing that she's been been wonder watched all along basically, I wonder she's, you know, the show is at least setting up our expectations that she's the one who will crack. Yeah. Yeah. Fastens like the one who has the most obviously to lose. Because she was the person killed Perry. Right. So, and then we I mean, I think it's a natural progression. Go-to Renato, right. Yeah. And what's up with we're not? I mean tone in this episode, but I think it's interesting, the meeting, they'll have in the parking lot about being called the Monterey five von is noticeably. Absent from this. Yes. And run out as listen. Listen, I'm friends with one of the women who talks to like the, the lead detective. And like they're the cases open, but it's not really being advocates like we have nothing to worry about. I don't know. We're not as kind of all over the place for not like went up to her second grade teacher funny. Yeah. Like my daughter was bullied, Laura Dern, so great like in a power like or one hundred photos. Yeah. Just like singing at the cameras, Diana Ross song. So, you know, I think she's definitely more in sync with a lot of the moms in the school, obviously from all the events that transpired. But she's still sort of power hungry and kind of nuts younger. Yeah. So I don't know. I I'm very excited though at the prospect of her being more included internally with group and getting to see her interact with these people on like a more level playing field. But I think that one of the one of the clear themes at the season premiere is establishing about the future of the show is of like the first season is about how a big lie is formed, and how that can become like a bonding agent. I think that this is about, like how a big lie, dissolves in phrase, and in that same way in that same way. Like I feel like found way of looking at it. I like it. Well in the same way, I feel like Renova is like the first friend of this group, too. Favor with the rest of the group that are really like her that much until the moment. So I wonder how that wall that wall play out. There's not a ton to talk about with or not just other than like, it's great to see her with group, a little bit more drinking and playing with train set. Yeah. So let's say the husbands a little bit. Gordon played by Geoffrey. Nord Ling aka, Larry moss of twenty four season seven fame. Forget the name of his character in Mighty Ducks three. But he is like the new Gordon Bombay in my that's right. I've been sitting here this whole time trying to figure it out. And you couldn't tell behind all the copious amounts of whiskey. He's drinking in the trains, that he's playing with the guy ducks fly together. Yeah. All right. So Gordon's playing with trains. That's it. It was great. It was a great moment. A little troubling. I think that he he's been an expression as a character of like, kind of, like he probably like a self model manly man, like he should be more successful than he is in his life. And he's less successful than his wife feels, it feels like that does not play elegantly with this man feels like he's got a little maybe won't outright say, I've got a problem with that. But it seems like he's got a little bit of a problem with that. And that's probably part of like what fueled his confrontation in season, one with Jean Madel in adult comes to them, at the at the cafe and really throws down. It's like like he needs he needs something to do. Yeah. So it's something to do right now is my trains, a little kept a regular Bobby Bokola, right? They're looking for the blue rocket the comment or the blue racket. I don't remember any either way, I will say, nothing further about that Gordon's doing that. Nathan is worried about Bonnie. He's still like. I thought that it's, it's somewhere between. I don't I don't know how I felt about the scene alternately overall scene between him. And. Yeah. Felt that you know what it felt like big little lies fan. Thick. Yeah. Like fan fiction, husbands. And it's just like another like stereotypical Nathan Ed have like this like weird tension. Seen that probably didn't really need to happen a little unnecessary. Yeah. Yeah. It's not book. Yeah. Keep saying that these valuable seeing definitely I think weakest of the episode for sure for me and his laptop ING away while he's doing that. Maybe the weirdest seen the actually is. Yeah. This where we're Tori. Who is the great comic book artist Isaac Mendez wife played by Sarah Sokolovic, which I cannot pronounce correctly. They interact the look of it just a look, which is probably how you say where. Editori. They meet in the grocery store, and she is like, hey, all I'm treating recognize me got got breast enhancement surgery. And he's like, oh, I forget exactly what he says she was like I was feeling really self conscious and he's like, oh, 'cause out your breath. No, my nose such, she got implants, to distract from her nose, which was funny. I thought it was just a funny moment, but are we are we building gearing up for like a reveal infidelity side of things between Madeline or they or is she gonna try and sleep with it, or is that going to try and sleep with her going to be successful or is it necessary to do any or is it just going to catalyze us towards like the confrontation between Ed and Madel in which felt like it was happening in the first season finale, but clearly did not like it seems pretty clear that the traumatic event of the of the killing of Perry blocked that converse. From happening, and there may be one thing that I'm thinking about is like, we'll be something that's like made explicit later on in the season that part of the motivation like the subconscious, I would say the subconscious motivation for Madeline to put such a lid on killing Perry was like, now, this is a new project. I can I could focus on this rather than having to confront blowing up my marriage, which was like going to be like the next thing that she had to do like that. Little y pales in comparison to the big little lie happened with with period. I don't mean that like any kind of militias way necessarily. I mean like is that, like, you know, sort of, like internally kinda just snap into that mode. I mean, I think she'd been operating like that beforehand. Yeah. Like it didn't really come to a surface until avenue, Q challenged and then all sort of unveiled itself, so I dunno. We'll see. So those are the husbands as scars is still around in flashback form looking terrifying, but looking tear. Thing as usual. There's the kids. I don't feel there's much more. We need to add about the children Chloe looks older. Khloe looks a little older still DJ. What did you think about the music in this episode? Yeah. Did you have a favorite is there something that we're going to be listening to all summer long? I mean, it reminded me of how much I love like old Motown hits your, your big Emily FOX loves the Motown. I do she comes by. Honestly, your father loves the Motown the Motown. Yeah. I mean, Motown. I'm just taking a speech mannerism from rob sister. He likes to put in front of a lot of things. God, it all right. Well, all around by the spinners great excellent sort of song to usher in everybody's? I sure have you ever seen them do the donkey role? Impressive. Let me see that dunk. Another time, okay? Another time one interesting parallel. What is it? Neil Young's harvest moon. Right. Which was in the first season one as well. It was at least in season one season, the finale on the ground lying on the ground. It's Neil young playing. I feel like we're like berries. Like get up. Come on. Get your stuff together like figured out like she's sort of, like like Celeste has been beaten up, and she's in the bathroom, and Perry decides to take the kids to school. I felt like it was it was playing in a more in a happier moment in the marriage, but maybe not whatever either way, it was in season one, and it was like the actual Neil young version. There was a bit of it in this one by Cassandra Wilson. Yeah. Which surprisingly enough, she has a deeper voice than Neil young does. But it's, it's sort of brings you back. It makes you cognizant of former soundtracks and what was going on before there's like a parallel there that I really love, then we had sue John Stevens pop up at one point. And then, of course I was saying the Diana Ross. Song as saying she's doing her photo shoot. Those are sort of, like the, the bigger songs that are noticeable. Let's get into some feedback. We gotta start wrapping this thing up. So let's make sure that we talk about some feedback that you guys sent in again best way to do that post show. Recaps dot com slash feedback. Feedback form Twitter also works complete at Emily, at Emmett, I am at round Howard, you can tweet at the post show. Recaps Twitter account at push recaps. This was from Leo rule. Forever seem psych somebody who agrees with you about Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah. I don't know if that's actually the case, please. Correct. On the issue. Wrote in and said, so I know why Perry is the way that he is mother is a piece of work. Do you think that she's turning the twin boys against the with her subtle shade? And undermining her with her son can do. No wrong attitude. I mean it's funny because the, the scene that we get about Mary Louise talking to the boys with Celeste presence is like you have to obey your mother, do you feel like she's she's turning their heads at all? In other ways, I could see. That for sure. I mean, she's manipulative enough and how she's sort of walked through the first ups owed. So why wouldn't she try to make herself look great? And put others down, sorta seems to be her ammo so far Barbie, up wrote in and said there was a callback to season one episode one, which I think that this. Ties nicely to what we're talking about with that Neil young. Not necessarily the specific thing. But the fact that there were a lot of call backs. Yeah. I guess the point and this is one of them is Barbie uprights in when Madeleine meets Jane in the first episode of the series, she says, I like you already you're an intrinsically nice person. I have knows for these things. And in this episode Mary Louise burns Madeleine with I find little people to be untrustworthy. You seem nice person you're a wonder what does that mean you're a wonder she wants things. That's what I know. And I think that's what she mean wants and on staff, you want in on stuff, you, you want what you don't have, and those desires drive you to pave the way that you behave. Yeah. But it's just it's, it's very fun that you, do you have turned around on her in terms of a snap judgment. Well in the first season Madel in his such power player in her interpersonal dynamics, and here we now have this very powerful force who is. Who is entered Monterey and holds the mirror backup to Madeline. So I think that we could go over it with a really fine tooth comb, going back over the episode and looking at all the different ways that there are echoes from season, one through season two, I'm sure it's going to be all over the place. I really do think that there is this quality of, like we're on the other side of the mirror like those everything crumble? Now what we, we broke through it with Perry's death. And once we the audience, we're allowed to know what that was. Now. We're seeing everything like the kind of like the twisted funhouse mirror version of what's on the other side of that stuff the affirmation Michael j Clarke wrote in its. Hello. Please power rank the three remaining husbands as characters. So that would be Jeffrey Nord Ling as Gordon Adam Scott noted survivor fan, as Ed McKenzie and James Tupper as Nathan, the floor is yours. And we how would you rank the three of them? And why I think Ed gets number one pick. Yeah. He's been a source of strength calls. Madeleine on her shit, but also very kind Ed Madel in or kind of like the dark real world versions of Ben Wyatt. And Leslie, Nope. From parks and rec. A very dark version of them. Okay. All right, fair, still number one. Got to give it a Gordon number two Gordon's number to lift capacity for drinking. It's impressive deep deep deep deeply deeply deeply troubling. Great with trains. I actually think that he's probably not a bad guys, probably three really kind of crap. They're both terrible can tie for third. It wasn't even there for gale, he was like a deadbeat dad. He's a DVD. Yeah. And now he has a second shot at being a dad, and he seems to be like all better. No. He's just like walking around bullying people upon reflection of the season finale of season. One great voice, great voice. Excellent voice, really great voice. You were told me Adam Scott was overdubbed. Yeah. Gingrich. It doesn't sound like very nicely. It's like the voice just like it doesn't really match. What I what I hear from Adam Scott, when he's talking, and like people their singing, voices can be very different from how they talk conversationally. But that's true. Still, this very jarring. I mean, these are all set. Everybody knows that about me. Everybody knows all about the Wanda voice, Dave Baker writes in who's going off the deep end. I let's limit that to the Monterey five. Okay. So let's say Madeleine Celeste, Jane, Bonnie Renova, who is going to fall apart. I mean, we kind of just said that Bonnie seems like she's dissolving f- Esther too obvious, and might be too. And in a way, like is that falling apart if she goes the police, or is that, like reclaiming some sandy? Yeah, I don't know. What's your definition addle in? I'm gonna go with Madeline. We're also being set up to think that everything's crumble, maybe burst. But I think that she's going to she's going to go the deepest really. I think I think that she is going to be revealed that she was the one that created the lying would already has been, I know. But like for everybody to know there's the potential for that. But there's also the thing with eggs, that she has run away from the affair is behind her. I think that there's a lot there. And I think. I think that Mary Louise for better in likely for worse, as forcing her to confront some of her some of our own last one from our great friend Brendan Fitzpatrick, who binged the entirety of big little lies on Sunday. Brennan. Season. Brennan. Seem seems like a fun way to do it. He wrote in and said, who is your favorite of the five and why? And why is it Laura Dern Renova after this episode because she's insane? The way she just casually. Throws out the bullying of last year to the new teacher was so awkwardly funny. Do you have a favorite of the five of the Monterey five? I mean, I think madeleine's my favorite because she's just so boisterous and crazy. Love Reese, Witherspoon. Yeah. I think she's I think it's like a wonderful role. I. Yeah. I think she's great. Yeah. Scrape. Yeah. Cosign? I mean, all of them all, but weekly weekly Reese, Witherspoon is tremendous and I'm very happy about it. Correct. All right. So feedback we'd love to get that from you guys moving forward again push recaps com slash feedback. And all the ways to tweet our way. Any predictions for the future for the next week's episode episode to it's called the telltale hearts, very Edgar Allan Poe, the heart. That's beating beneath the floorboards. I don't know. Right. Do you feel like Mary Louise has the ability to get physically violent? I don't know kind of wondering if that's I don't like her shot against Bonnie. I gotta be honest. No. But I, I can see her like slapping, last Celeste being stuck in like this same group of being like it's my fault. I did this. She's already a battered woman. I could see something like that. Yeah. Hope not. I hope not too. Yeah, I could see it. Emily before we close out because we are about to close out here. I wanted to know if you would like to join me in taking one last moment to thank our sponsors for this episode, and those are friends over at truecar I would love to now every car comes with its share of stories that ding in your bumper when you nervously picked up a first date, remember, when you pick me up for our first date, I didn't hit anything, you didn't hit anything might car got totalled on a different incident. 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Mrs. Graham

Retropod

04:32 min | 2 years ago

Mrs. Graham

"Retro pod is sponsored by Tito's vodka. Drink responsibly. Hey history lovers. I'm Mike Rosen walled with retro pot a show about the past rediscovered Katharine Graham Kate Friends Mrs Graham to everyone else was revered figure in journalism and on the world stage she used to run the Washington Post. She battled Nixon. She fought to publish the Pentagon papers she defended the First Amendment against all comers she was even portrayed by Meryl Streep and Steven Spielberg's film called the Post but it was her fierce leadership during the pressman strike stuffing newspapers commanding helicopters playing hardball Goshi table that is perhaps the most ripping resolute moment in her life. It began with a riot. Mrs Graham was sound asleep. Union contracts had expired midnight on October first nineteen seventy five and Mrs Graham. And went to bed that night ready to continue negotiations in the morning then the phone rang at four forty five A._M.. An executive at the paper delivered the news depresses had been as Mrs Graham described it later Pearl Harbor D- The precedent set one press on fire in dismantled others. They beat up the foreman holding a screwdriver to his throat. The first decision Mrs Graham made was to let her chauffeur keep sleeping. Mrs gramp drove herself to the pills toward the fire trucks and smoke on Fifteenth Street in northwest Washington Agreements Eighties on the street outside the post making her way inside past firefighters picketers and TV crews she went directly to the pressroom water was everywhere. They were smoke during the strike picketers burned her in effigy. Others physically attacked post employees. Mrs Graham feared for her safe but she would not be pushed around Mrs. This is grammar team got to work putting the paper back into production. Getting the paper printed with the post presses in disrepair was the first challenge they found nearby printing presses to produce the paper but there was a huge logistical problem. How would they get the page? Depletes past the picketers one post executive a former green beret in Vietnam had an idea helicopters could land on the roof and whisked the plates away with permission from the White House. That's just what they did several days after the riots the post presses were operational again and Mrs Graham posted fancy salons Grande Dame Washington was right there working for hands Nessie with she knew she needed to appear calm and the violence toward for employees strengthen her resolve to keep fighting as negotiations dragged on the strike lasted four months eventually. Mrs Graham decided to make a final offer to the union. It was declined. The Post announced it was hiring replacement workers. The union was wiped out several hundred people lined up for job interviews the next day including many black candidates who previously weren't represented in pressroom. The first new hire was a black doc man. Don Graham said his mother died in two thousand one did not view the episode as something to be celebrated or that she had even one the experience had been brutal for everyone involved one pressman committed suicide mrs his gray was accused of having blood on her hands a charge. She flatly rejected if the crisis was not exactly a win for Graham perhaps it was something more profound. Here's how she put it in her book. It is ironic that I who have never liked. Confrontations should have been faced with this major one she wrote I hated by which I always found unpleasant and invariably feared losing. I had no choice but to become embattled. I'm Mike Rosenwasser. Thanks for listening for more forgotten stories from history visit Washington Post Dot com slash retro pod.

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Who is Michael Ovitz?

Corner Office from Marketplace

12:39 min | 3 years ago

Who is Michael Ovitz?

"This marketplace podcast is brought to you by Dell, Dell, small business technology advisors, no, there's nothing small about your business. That's why they offer one on one partnership and reliable business PC's with Intel core processors to help you get business done, call eight, seven, seven by Dell. That's eight, seven, seven by Dell. Everybody. It's Rozelle. Thanks for downloading another episode of the corner office podcast. This one is a special bonus episode with a guy who's not a CEO anymore, but for a lot of years was one of the most powerful people in Hollywood's name is Michael Ovitz, Creative Artists Agency, talent agency that he co founded and ran for twenty years represents Hollywood A-listers like Meryl Streep, George Clooney, and Tom Hanks, Michael Ovitz came into studio to talk about his new book the other day, it's on his life and his life in the business. It's called, who is Michael Ovitz. Ready to go to work mclovin. Thanks for coming in studio. My pleasure. Thanks for having the title of this book. Who is Michael Ovitz and I'm gonna paraphrase you except in radio, friendly language. In a big part of this book you come off, it's kind of a jerk. Well, I was pretty honest about what occurred and what was some of the good things that we did. Some of the bad things look when you're in a service business year in a place where you can't please everybody all the time. You have a fantastic project and you give it to one studio, you're going to have a dozen others really upset with you. We weren't in a place where you could win a popularity contest. You're there to please your specific client and to get their dreams made. And there's out along the way. I jumped ahead a little bit. I want to back up and talk about how you got to be where you are. You started as a kid doing tours in at the studios over on the west side. It was. I got the bug when I was over at the universal lot. What was the bunk? But what caught you? I think being over there with all these creative people and watching them take ideas and turn it into something you could read, see or hear was pretty extraordinary to me. And to this day, I'm still captivated by that ability for people to come up with concepts and then realize them into things that are entertaining or provocative or hedge occasional and your role in that equation as as the agent and a dealmaker was what we were the facilitators. And we came up with this concept of pudding, creative people together. So if you personally had an idea, we wouldn't let you just sell the idea outright and lose all of your leverage. If you had an idea. Gave it to us, and we thought we could put it together. We would put you with other creative people to answer Ansett and then try to create something that gave all the creative people much more leverage against the bar, which is which is the innovation and the disruption that CA brought to this industry. Right? You got a writer and an actor and a director and a producer you packaged them, and you got him to the studio and you had the whole enchilada. The whole concept was to not let creative people sell their wares individual and to hold onto as much rights as we could for their ideas. The thing about the entertainment business that is difficult is the combination of personalities creates a high likelihood of conflict. It's concentrated with a lot of really talented human beings and everybody wants to get their way and get it done there the way they want to. And it's. All a version of of a power play playwright, who's got the influence who's got the ability to get the deal done. The picture made power is critical on. It's one of the things we tried really hard to maintain, and arguably, you shifted the balance from the studios, the buyers of the product to with this packaging thin. You guys came up with to the creators, will the whole concept was to shift the balance of power from the buyer to the seller, and the clients needed that leverage not just for financial reasons, but for creative reasons. You know, the biggest fights in the entertainment business are creative fights. No studio wants one ending the director or actor writer. One another ending. We felt that the creative people were always right, and we felt that they needed to be backed, and we felt that they needed to have the support of an organization behind them which they hadn't had for a long time. Could you have been as successful as you were without the and I think this is your word obsessive nece, right? Your your detail oriented and and mission driven, which led to, as as you say in the book, if your funeral was held today, twenty five thousand people would show up to make sure you were really dead. Yeah. Could you could you have been Michael Ovitz without that drive? I, I don't think so in that timeframe and a really flush economy with the amount of options available. We had to set a stage that we were all knowing and had the ability to execute and could deliver almost anything. And we couldn't look week. We couldn't look vulnerable, couldn't allowed to have any chain. Any Lincoln that chain. Look, wink. When you're done with all that and you look back in your little older, you wonder if you could have done it a little differently. Could we have done it a little differently? Probably with a little less of the aggressiveness, but I don't think we would have built the company in the period of time that we did without that push talk to me about Hollywood today. And first of all, the balance of power has it, has it shifted back to the studios into the outlets with so many outlets for content now? I mean, look at television for grandma. Well, I think that the businesses completely different than the business I was in. I don't. I don't recognize the business today compared to what I was in. We were in a a business that had a flush economy. You could build movies, stars, you could build careers. There were people going to theaters. There was a movie star system and television star system. Today, you've got entire viewer patterns that have are being dis- erupted, totally this whole concept of watching television show like one used to from the inception of television up through the early two thousands where you'd watch a television show aid a time and date. And that's when you got to see it. It's completely different viewing patterns. When you see Netflix spending, I don't even know what the number is. Eight billion, ten billion on content in a year Democrats head spin. When you think back to the day, not really. Because if you look back, we had that collectively, it just wasn't as focused or centered as it is right now, they have. No choice. But to do that because they're heavy hard pressed to get original content from the people, they're driving out of business. They have to spend money on original content and they're doing a really good job a word here about money. There's a lot of it in this book, you call it a scorecard for success. Does it have to be that way? Doesn't have to be everybody has their own definition of what they want and how they want to run their life and comport themselves. Accordingly, I have a lot of friends where money is completely irrelevant to them. There are a lot of people that do extraordinary things in life where money is a secondary issue. When you grew up the way I did money became a scorecard, and when you want to show his get out of the valley, money is a is a pathway to be able to put you in a position to try to make the kind of social change or business change that you'd like to make it. Equates with leverage, frankly. As you look at Hollywood today and the metoo movement and some of the social changes that are happening, you're in a position of power in this industry for really long time. Could you have done more in your time in power to make it a better place? Well, we it's really difficult to have these conversations today. Looking back thirty forty years when we started the business in seventy four, these issues weren't brought to the surface like they are today. They weren't as apparent. We also didn't allow a lot of the things to occur that for some reason have happened in recent times. We didn't send clients into meetings on escorted. We had forty percent of our staff were women. We, you know, we would hear things sometimes, but not very often. I think what's happening right now is good for the business. It's been a problem that's been an undercurrent in the business from day one. This is not a. New issue. It's just finally come to the surface. I think a lot of brave women have come forward, but we didn't see a lot of the behavior has blatantly in those days as you see it today, we just it never came to the surface. You're still dabble, right? You do venture capital. Now I'm working. I work up since two thousand one. I've been working up in San Francisco between San Jose and San Francisco. It's been the most extraordinary experience. It's very similar to the heyday of CA up there. It's brilliant, young people flush with capital men and women, young men and women. The want to change the world and coming up there is the gray hair having had some success in some failures. It's really interesting to work with them. They're particularly interested in the mistakes. They wanna dissect them, analyze a, make sure they don't do it themselves. But every day is I learned something different. And I kind of feel like I discovered up there what ponts daily own was looking for the amiss the business down here I tell you what I miss. I miss the people that I worked with. They were really gifted and it was fun. I don't miss the stress and I don't miss the. The three hundred phone calls a day, and I don't miss knowing where I'm going to be three months in advance every minute of my day, and I don't miss the pressure of knowing that whatever I did I was going to offend somebody. I don't miss that at all. But do I miss one thing? It's if I do miss one thing. It's the people that I worked with. They were amazing that that thing about, you know, three hundred phone calls a day or whatever it was by the time I got to the end of this book. I was tired, I fired for your, you know, I got tired right around my fiftieth birthday. I got tired. Michael Ovitz book is called, who is Michael Owens, Michael. Thanks a lot. Thank you for having me. There you go. That was my conversation with Michael Ovitz the co, founder of Creative Artists Agency feel like what you heard, maybe leave us a review on apple, podcasts, telephone, please don't know anyway, thanks for listening. The corner office is produced by Bridget Bonder this episode by Maria hall and horse marketplace is produced by Nancy for galleys starring yet. As is the executive director on demand. Deborah Clark is the senior vice president and general manager. I'm KAI Ryssdal we will see next week with another s. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by Dell. There's nothing small about your business, your passion, your hours, your reputation, it's all huge. Your partnerships are even bigger with Dell, small business technology advisers. You'll get the tech advice and one on one partnership to help your business grow because with reliable Dell PC's with Intel core processors, you can focus on what matters most getting business done. 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