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"meridian moseley" Discussed on True Crime Brewery

True Crime Brewery

12:30 min | 3 years ago

"meridian moseley" Discussed on True Crime Brewery

"Vocals were horrified. When the folks showed up at a nearby pub Murray said on Knicks knee giggling, she also went up to some youngsters young boys who were playing pool and grounder hip suggestively against them. Couple were wearing matching hats drank vodka, Jack Daniels and Nick went onstage to sing to songs by Elvis, my boy and suspicious minds. Everyone at the pump knew who they were and what had happened to their kids. And it was so disturbing to people that the management asked McMurray to leave in some people are so concerned that they even call the police, it's Ed horri- behavior. Truce? Investigators were able to watch their behavior, and it was recorded on the pub C C TV cameras. So further investigation found traces of gasoline on the close of Marin and Mick Philpott as well as Paul Moseley. So the three were finally arrested, and they were charged with six counts of manslaughter for the children's deaths. So they did go to trial in that began in February two thousand thirteen some of mixed friends said that he had been driving them to a darts match a few days before the fire when he'd gotten a call any told them it was someone threatening to burn down his house with the children inside. So he was setting things up. A short time before the custody hearing Philpott at gone to see the headmistress of the local school, and he told her that is children with Lisa would be back in his custody soon and might be starting school as soon as that following Monday. And he told the same story to several mothers at the school. He even added that he had something up his sleeve, so not subtle. At the trout. Lisa gave evidence from behind a screen didn't even wanna look at him. Did she now she testified that Mick had been bided her with texts and phone calls after the separation, and he'd been very threatening one of the other reasons why she might have been behind the screen is. So she wouldn't be recognized so easily by the public true. Is this a huge story as you can imagine. You're actually might come out looking. Okay. She escaped him. Yes. She did. But still who wants to be asked about it at all, right, right? You want to remain anonymous if you can. And then of course, like you said there's the threats which I'm sure were a big part of that. Very definitely. Yeah. So then Paul Moseley took the stand. He said that Mick let the kids stay up done the night of the fire to watch. Britain's got talent. Dwayne the eldest stayed up later to play pool of them. And then after all the children going to bed Moseley it had sex with a raid on the pool table. He said that he lift. Okay. He said that he I guess that's out for sexual encounters. No pool tables. Yeah. Now. Okay now, especially when friends are over. Oh, where we'll send them home for. Okay. Yeah. This was her having sex with the with the neighbor guy on the pool table, not even with her husband. Right. Not that that would be any better. Really? So never mind. It's all gross and Moseley said that he had left a victory roadhouse shortly after the sexual encounter in the pool table than there was further testimony that Moseley had offered a relative thousands of pounds to help them leave town after the fire now mostly denied this. I don't know where he would have gotten thousands of pounds anyway, but it could be possible because he told people a lot of things here. Now Marais she seemed oddly confident when she took the stand she said that she had loved her children at would never do anything to hurt them. But she was unable to explain why traces of gasoline had been found on her clothing that she was wearing that night. Mick Philpott said. That he rarely washed only splashed his face with water when he got up in the morning. So he claimed that gas on his clothing and sneakers could have been there for several weeks or even months, so while took the jury listen, eight hours to reach a verdict or three were found guilty of manslaughter. The judge accepted that there had been no intention to kill the children. The couple of believed that Nick faux pas could enter an upstairs window and save them. Then he'd be celebrated as a hero and Lisa Willis would be framed for the crime of arson, but he'd been unable to knock large of whole new window in order to climb through the fire spread pretty quickly and in created toxic gases, including cyanide and the children died in their beds of inhalation right now. Okay. I already mentioned that. I think you should have realized that fires are unpredictable and there there could be death. Of course, any adult should know this. Know how he's figuring that his ex girlfriend. Lisa would be framed. Right because she'd have an alibi here. He point the finger at her which he tried to do. But there's no guarantee that she's going to be convicted of Aisin now. I mean, it's just a waste of human life. These kids died for no reason. It's just so it yada. Now he wanted to frame Lisa and gain custody of the children, but he'd killed six. The jury only heard of the previous convictions after the end of the trial. So that wasn't used against him. He was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of fifteen years before he becomes eligible for parole. Any showed no emotion at the trial. The judge told him he had been the driving force behind the fire and add it your guiding principle is what Mick Philpott wants Mick Philpott gets. And I think that's at the core. This whole thing this is just a selfish stupid egotistical, cruel horrible human being. I think that's a fair assessment. And like you said people could say he was great with the kids. But obviously he didn't care enough about them. If he did this who was great for the kids as long as it suited him. Right. As long as he could play with them in look good in. Yeah. I agree. Well, interestingly enough as he was led away his sister. Don, shouted Dymock die. So even their families are just done with these people here, and he actually responded to her by making an obscene. Gesture I'm assuming he gave her the finger, but I don't know it was blocked out in the video footage. I saw so most of the relatives have publicly disowned him and they've grieved for their nephews and their niece while having to live with cruel comments from people just because they share the Philpot name marine Philpott and Pomo xlii were both sentenced to seventeen years in prison in November two thousand thirteen an appeal by Maria Philpott against the length of her sentence. Now. Not the actual verdict was heard the grounds of the appeal were mainly that Marin was under the control of her husband and could not exercise a free choice in her conduct. But this appeal was dismissed so Georgia Osborne who served as chancellor of the exchequer under prime Minister, David Cameron from two thousand ten to two thousand sixteen said, it was time for government and society to question, whether it was appropriate for lifestyles such as the Philpott to be funded by the taxpayer. So the shocking details of his benefit funded lifestyle which came out during the court case led to allegations of Philpot sought to manipulate the welfare system by forcing women to have large numbers of children to receive state benefits. He received the equivalent of one hundred thousand pound salary when his benefits payments were added to the wages. He forced his wife and mistress to hand over to him. But I don't think this is fair because most people on welfare are nothing like the Phil pets. And a lot of people felt that way. Like, this is not something that you should use to make your case about the benefits culture, Ed balls. The shadow counselor said the chancellor's decision to link Philpott s- crimes to the welfare state was nasty and divisive. And I agree. I mean, the welfare state really has little to do with this goes just if you could screen everyone who's up for benefits from the state, maybe you could pick out the bad apples, but to link everything to the welfare state is incorrect now, I mean, this is a horror of human being. And it's a totally separate issue from people who are workshy as they say. I mean, that's the least of his issues Mr. ball said that they should have a proper debate about welfare reform, but to link these benefits was really just not proper, and I agree. Stephen Timms, shadow work. In pension minister said it's wrong to link Philpott s- acts with the debate about welfare and George Osborne should not be doing so even implicitly. So yeah. As as you said the comparison of violent manipulative man with others are dependent on government benefits is unfair before the fire in the children's deaths debate sun-filled putz lifestyle, I think we're valid discussions when you have working people practicing family planning so they can afford to support their families. It does seem unfair for someone like Mick Philpott and his wife to continue having children they can't afford to care for. But then when you get to the manslaughter and killing the children, just a whole different issue. Exactly. So anything else to say on this case? And it's so sad horrible case. And I don't know. The punishment really fits the crime doesn't. Now. What do you think should have happened? I think Philpott should have gotten life without parole 'cause he's eligible for parole. Even though he's been sentenced to life in prison his eligible after wet fifteen years. Yes. So I'm giving him life without parole. Okay. Court. I'm giving Meridian Moseley probably forty to fifty years. Yeah. But that's only my idea. Okay. Dick's court. Yeah. While I wasn't even sure I want to do this case because it wasn't a planned out murder, but just the level of neglect in the disrespect in the irresponsible actions are just just as bad as murder. Really? It's terrible thing. Certainly is. Yeah. Okay. We'll thanks for having the discussion. Okay. Today's show has been sponsored by DT real protection when it comes to something as important as you family safety, you deserve real protection from ADT. Real protection means the nation's number one smart home security provider is there for you. When you need them. Real protection means eighteen thousand employs safeguarding. You no matter how you define safety. ADT? Is there ADT real protection? Visit ADT dot com slash podcast to learn more about how ADT can design and install a secure smart home. Just for you the music for true crime. 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"meridian moseley" Discussed on True Crime Brewery

True Crime Brewery

04:51 min | 3 years ago

"meridian moseley" Discussed on True Crime Brewery

"By the time of join staff. Investigators had found gasoline at the bottom of the stairs. So this was when the first clue came out that the fire had been deliberately started. And then of course, they looked at Philpott right away road. But it was Lisa Willis who's arrested after Philpott to make comments and suggestions that she was responsible for the fire as an act of revenge. But it was soon clear that she had no grudge against Marin or the children who she had actually cared for and treated as her own. So she had an alibi ended up being quickly released and ruled out as a suspect, and she seemed much more upset than Marie did. About her own children. No kidding. And she loved those kids. Of course, she taking care of them as their own for years as well. Some mickan Morad said that they had been with their friend Pomo xlii until one thirty AM when he left to return to his house. They said that they had fallen asleep in the conservatory while they were cuddling on the sofa, and they were woken up by the fire sometime after four AM, they exited the house from downstairs door, then they found a ladder and attempted to rescue the children who they thought were all in the back bedroom upstairs. So let's go out on a limb here and say, okay, we've decided we're gonna start a fire in this house to frame the ex girlfriend and get custody of those kids back. But then they don't even make sure that they know where the kids are. Right. So it's so careless. So the they might not be able to rescue them. Anyway, exactly. I'm just wonder was there Kahal involved. What was going on here? He was a pretty heavy drink. Ker? Yeah. He was wouldn't surprise me that alcohol was involved. Well, and Paul Moseley was involved too. We believe the other thing that recently, varnished, the stairway. Which was a great accelerator for the fire. L G. Yeah. I could imagine even if you think in we'll just start this little fire by the front door, and they'll be smoking will rescue the kids and be heros, a could spent pretty quickly with advice on the walls, and it did. And it was. And it was it was a fireball basically flew up the stairs into the bedrooms and the two parents weren't upstairs near the kids either. Nope. This is just a complete disaster though at the hospital. Mick Philpott was overheard telling his wife that it wasn't meant to end like this and in the back of a policeman. He was hurt asking rid are. We sticking to the story. Well, that makes me suspicious. Well, police were immediately suspicious. The evidence led to the couple's arrest on may twenty nine. I they were arrested for murder, but then the charges were later changed to manslaughter. How do you feel about that? I mean, I guess that's all they could do because there was no sign that these parents wanted the children dead. No. But I would take the stance that they should have known that setting the fire could have resulted in children's deaths. Yes. So I would have gone after them with murder. The I'm not sure how the law works in England that way, but I would think maybe negligent homicide, but whatever the case is this something you can try with. Yeah. We don't Bruton. I dunno know, no will in turn those arrests. Brought about a chain reaction people who knew the couple felt like they could share their suspicions with police. Finally, investigators put the Philpot sup in a hotel, and they bugged their room. So they were arrested. End. Intern those arrests brought about a chain-reaction people who knew them felt like they could share their suspicions now with the police. Investigators put the Philpot s- in Tel and they bugged their room on may nineteenth just over a week after the fire they listened as Philpott told Marie to perform a sex act on their friend, Paul Moseley. The thirties would later accuse Moseley of taking the guests lean can away from the scene of the fire. So he was in on it. He definitely was they believed that Philpott was using Marie to give mostly sex to keep him on their side to keep him from talking pretty cheap, doesn't he? Well, these people are not the best people bunch of idiots by that time. The thoroughly investigated Philpott s- background, and they knew that he had a history of reacting to things with violence and dishonesty if a woman left him, and they knew that he had a history of reacting with violence and dishonesty if a woman ever left him, and this included his attempted murder of Kim hill because the media was focused mainly on Nick and Meridian Moseley was not in the public eye much. He turned out to be a father of two who is living with his long term girlfriend Helen, and he was a longtime friend of mix both

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