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Car2Go Exits Five Cities as Peer-to-Peer Car Sharing Ramps Up

Business Wars Daily

06:28 min | 1 year ago

Car2Go Exits Five Cities as Peer-to-Peer Car Sharing Ramps Up

"Costumers wont so they'll keep coming back again and again salesforce bringing companies and customers together visit salesforce dot com business wars daily is sponsored by salesforce salesforce customer relationship management solution is committed to helping you deliver the personalized experiences that could visit salesforce dot com slash learn more that's salesforce dot com slash learn more trek scooters and rental bikes and there's another new formidable rival vehicles for rent from private owners that's right if you're not yet aware that you exchanged keys and takes fees turow says renters can save about thirty percent over traditional car rentals today the firm boasts that it's in here's the enable owners to make extra money from that car just sitting there in the garage or to buy car specifically for the purpose of renting them out the top platform is around you could choose a car sharing service like cargo which recently added full-size Mercedes benzes popular for weekend trips to the mountains there's public transit lifted newburgh live cities because of rising competition the company said it underestimated the investment necessary to succeed in what he called a quote quickly changing mobility land because car two go made transportation available and easy in combination with public transit the timing for customers in places with harsh winters is avoid the costly nuisance of car ownership in dense urban areas customers in Calgary met the news woefully with many saying they'd chosen to live in the inner city more Ford Fiesta the business model is the same as airbnb his owner set their own prices the company ensures vehicles against damage and theft helps owners and renters excape translated that means that since car two go first appeared on the scene about seven years ago many other kinds of rivals of entered the fray take Denver for example it didn't take Very Long beirut-born CEO Andre Haddad took over the company from its founder in twenty eleven dodd was particularly well suited to the job he we did it we made it to another Friday friends alas the car sharing service car to go did not the company one of the first to popularize what's called free float san-francisco-based tomorrow which according to the Wall Street Journal currently holds close to ninety percent of the market today to Rosa Unicorn valued at more than a billion dollars is particularly difficult or is it Cardi go which recently merged with BMW's reach now a similar car sharing service said it's pulling out of the you can rent a Tesla Porsche or even VW Camper van from the guy down the street you will be soon several major peer to peer car sharing platforms of popped up in recent years other mobility startups though it's made some people very angry traditional car rental companies complained that tomorrow in its ilk are auto rental businesses and should be taxed ever seen him to rent one you'd pull up the cargo APP locate one nearby a car that and rented by the minute the idea is to zip around for errands that require wheels but Kogo on New Year's Eve if lived in a big city of the last six years you may be familiar with cargoes initial offering little white and blue two seater cars parked on the street five thousand five hundred cities and fifty six countries it's attracted big investments from Google Daimler in AC which owns match dot com just like in car sharing is pulling out of five cities Austin Calgary Denver Portland and Chicago it leave the first four cities on Halloween it'll exit in regulated as such sound familiar just like the taxi industry fighting desperately against Uber in lift and this takes us full circle bounded Francis I internet marketplace bizarre in Nineteen Ninety nine he sold it to Ebay for more than one hundred million dollars only a couple of years later he then went to work doc for Ebay where his job was to turn stuff in people's closets into cash apparently he sees his job no differently now but the fancy evening dress is now a jeep wrangler early well-suited location to support cargo with certain levels of car ownership supportive city regulations etcetera so cargo is taking the back to car two go which is far more like a traditional car rental company than it is a sharing economy platform in the face of these changes it takes a particular it's from Wendy I'm David Brown and this is business wars daily sources it saving from Denver Calgary and so on and plowing them into cities where it's already found more success New York Seattle Washington DC Montreal and beating up and what seemed brilliant yesterday well could be obsolete tomorrow and couvert just last year fast company named cargo one of the most innovative transportation companies in the world but innovation transportation just keeps our executive producer is Marshall created by or non Lopez or wondering. 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#036 Getting The Most Out Of Your Money Abroad

The Millionaire Traveler and Investor Podcast

19:30 min | 1 year ago

#036 Getting The Most Out Of Your Money Abroad

"What's going on your artists? Mt. Back again for another video. This is gonna be a really quick one as you guys know, I'm going to Kiev on Friday. But I just wanted to touch on a couple of things I sent out a message asking guys what they wanted me to talk about. A lot of a lot of you guys came back and said, hey, this talk about these currencies in Livni's different countries. How do you know what countries that cheapest XYZ? So we're going to cover that today before I get into that. I just wanna say thank you to all the guys that I've done a coaching calls for, if he didn't know I do financial coaching calls for feet, and I've helped quite a few people already actually kinda surprised at the amount of people who have, you know, contacted me ask him for some help in their financial life. So that offer still out as part. Thanks, mar financials than website is going to be up pretty soon. Probably this week. So you guys can check that out. I do thirty unrest minutes a financial coaching I go over I send you a questionnaire, which you fill out. In also send you an excel product with one month's budget in there that way, I can see where your money is going every month in their from there. I coach you in tell you what is the right direction? You should take in your financial life. So if you guys interested in that let me know in can help you out. All right. The Email will be at the bottom. So as you guys know, I'm going to like I said, I'm going to Kiev next month so I will be doing video about key, a better believe, I'm going to do quite a few one of my buddies is actually going with me kind of last minute, which is good. 'cause I had all intentions of going by myself. So with him going is going to help a lot is gonna help me a lot what recording and getting a lot of footage for you guys. Get a lot of information out there about the about the Ukraine. I'm really excited. This is my first. Time going. So it's going to be a new experience for me and you guys as well. So be on the lookout, if you not follow me on Instagram, a thanks, Mark financials. You really should because like if you guys remember how was in Columbia, while in out, I intend on doing that as well, when many Ukraine, best believe, because of all information in all the research that have done on Ukraine is gonna be it's gonna be a blast. So I'll be there for four days. We don't get it in. And I'm going to record it for you guys. All right. So let's get into the video here. So when you're going to these different countries is very important before you go that you do a little bit of research, even if you have even if you have money it's always good to do a little bit of research on, you know, the currency the, the volatile. Miltie of that currency. Is it working in your favor with the dollar or if you're coming from England, the British pound? We're gonna do dollars today. Okay, 'cause most of my listeners in the United States, but, you know, shot out to everyone else that I talked to from France and the UK and all over Europe, but we're gonna do dollars today and what I'm gonna do is this website here is called expansion in what it in. This is actually a really good tool here. So what it does is it compares the cost of living in your city versus the city you're gonna go to so I used Dallas because that's where that's where I'm from that's where most of my family is. And it's very interesting if you guys look at this I mean you guys been staring at it for a second. But let's just go over this real quick. So this, right. Here is breaking it down. If you decided you wanted to live in. Edging. Okay. So based off at the data here is says the cost of living in Dallas, Texas. Is a hundred eleven percent more expensive than medigene. So. This right here. Let's me know right away that medigene your money is going to go, very, very long, this look at it. The food is super cheap. I've made videos up talked about how good the food is Aaron how stupid cheap is you can get a big plate of food for like four dollars. You know what I'm saying? We're talking like you have leftovers later. Okay. The housing of there's videos out there on YouTube talking about how cheap it is live in medigene, L PU Bado is the most expensive the most expensive district in Columbia in is not are not in Columbia, but in medigene, and it's not even super expensive like it goes down from there like you can stay kinda further away from from L PU bottle. That's where a lot of foreigners the go because it's the most has the amenities as like a. United States city, a bunch of shopping malls, a bunch of nice restaurants. A bunch of nice a hotels, there will people stay. This is a lot going on. But you don't have to stay there. You can go all the way around medigene, just make sure that you do some research on the place. You wanna stay and you'll be straight. And we look at transportation costs, obviously, if I if I was to live managing I probably wouldn't have a car because. The taxes so cheap. Okay. You can get check taxes stupid chief, I remember we took a taxi Lewis in taxi for like at least twenty minutes, and the taxi fare was like six dollars. Okay. Now you compare that to a place like Germany, which we're gonna go into. Attacks a twenty minute taxi ride in Germany is gonna cost you at least thirty five dollars as ridiculous. Okay. Granted all all of the taxes in Germany are Mercedes Benzes in fancier in obviously people gotta get paid. So it is what it is. But this video is going to focus on some places that are super cheap in them. We're gonna talk about some places where you would think they were cheap, but they're really not okay. It's move along. So this is medigene. So medigene is a good place to live. Look at this next next life. The ukraine. So in the Ukraine, the Ukraine is actually cheaper than medigene. Okay. So I haven't been to the Ukraine yet. But this is good news for me because I've been Columbia four times already. I know how stupid cheap it is there as you can see the food is even more cheaper. Compared to medigene. So I'm gonna look forward to that is the housing cheaper. Now the housing is is a little bit more expensive. I'm looking at these percentages as percentage goes up. That means it's cheaper compared to Dallas, okay? So the food is cheaper. But the housing is a little bit more expensive compared to medigene. All right. So I'm gonna be like I said, I'm going to be there and I'm gonna record all that for you guys. I can't wait. All right. Let's move along. Rio. So look at that look at that jump a lot of people though, to re a lot of people go to Brazil, they think is cheap in. It is cheap compared to the states, but it's not cheap compared to Columbia. All right. So as you can see here to cost of living in Dallas, Texas is fifty seven more expensive than Rio. Okay. So we're starting to get to it almost being comparible to living in the United States are right now this, this website, only compares different cities. So you gotta keep that in mind as well. So maybe you maybe you might not wanna live in, in Rio. You might wanna live kinda like, you know, somewhere farther out from the city, less tourist area in the in the in the prices could drop. All right. But with those cheaper prices you lose some of those amenities that you have in a real. Oh, DJ Niro. Okay. Could you got the nice beach? You got all the nice restaurants on the beach. You're drawing in a lot of people from a lot of different countries to network with. So you gotta keep that in mind as well. Moving along. Bangkok so. Bangkok. Is almost comparable to living in? In, in Brazil Bangkok is cheaper as we can see. You know, honestly, I don't really consider myself living in Bank, cocktail the truth. Because if you guys have been there is kinda if so many other good places to live in. In thailand. Everytime. I'm in Bangkok. I just give board. But I just wanted to do this comparison for you. You know, tech Dallas, Texas still more expensive, which is good. A lot of people decide they want to retire in Thailand. But you can use Bangkok as baseline, because it's gonna get it's not gonna get any more expensive than Bangkok in Pook hat in maybe even patio. K Dettori destinations. If you move out of the tourist destinations things get a lot of a lot cheaper. All right. Now we're quick. I just wanted to compare medigene in Columbia together. So this is you can do comparison as well. So the cost of living in Rio is thirty five percent more expensive than Columbia. Okay. So actually. You know, this, this is not necessarily a bad thing. You know, we're not talk about my goals in what I wanna do is, you know, honestly, I can see myself in a couple of years, you know, doing six months in Brazil, and another six in, in medigene and just go back and forth for a year or two and then venture often do some else. Okay. This right here tells me that, you know, if I'm smart, I can do it based off of my budget, and you guys can sit down, you know, what your budget in analyze it, you need to get in there. Help you I can definitely do that. But this is good. Now, we talked about Germany earlier, take it out. The cost of living in Dallas, Texas is about the same in Germany. Now, this is what I want. You guys to understand. All right. This is something that you need to know when you're in Europe are right. Any country that is dealing with euros. Okay. So I'm gonna pull this really quick. So the euro is right here. Right. And as you can see the euro is for every dollar is eighty nine point eight zero eight nine euros, which is almost a one to one. So actually, the euro is stronger than a dollar, okay? 'cause it takes more dollars equally. Euro. So any country that is dealing with the euro. Is probably gonna be at around is much as the United States. All right. So knowing that I'm may not consider living in a country where they were everything is in euros. All right. I would prefer, if I'm living in Europe, I would like to go to a country where they have their own currency. Okay. Like the Romanian lei, the chronic Czech Republic, the Ukrainian, her Vanni a- price price said they're wrong, but that what you want. So as you can this right here, as you can see this, this currency. This is a this is a screen shot of a APPA have my phone. There's a whole bunch of free ones that you can download okay. So this is not a necessarily one to one type deal. All right. I circled the. These in particular because I want to highlight that when you go to a country like Colombia like me. You're constantly watching the currency conversions on that country versus a dollar. So I can tell you now that right now is the is a very, very good time to go to Columbia. Because when I went like when I went I went in November. No. I went shit only two months ago. I'm sorry, I went to months ago to Columbia and it was around three thousand pesos to one. I mean, it was hovering around twenty nine three thousand so now you get even more for your money in Colombia, the same thing with the, the Brazilian. Hey, ass. All right. So when out went to Brazil, it was, I think it was three point eight to one. Now it's four. So now is a good time to go to Brazil, the Philippine peso this thing, this is a good. This is a good currency conversion rate because I know when I went it was like forty four or forty five pesos to a dollar in now. It's fifty two. This is amazing. This is probably the best deal right here. The Philippine peso actually have a buddy and this guy, he's been to the Philippines. He's been to the Philippines over seventy times seventy a he, he lives in, in California. Yeah. He lives in California and. He just loves the Philippines. He plies directly directly from Los Angeles to Melissa Melilla, and that's that's his country because he knows the currency is just amazing there. He everything is super super cheap. So that's why I tell you guys, you have to go to the Philippines, like a. Sidebar. K. And the recipes like you can look at these all the stuff. I know for you guys ill, look Swaran. Okay. It looks foreign because you probably have Embiid to entities countries. All right. So looking at a currency conversion app is good. When you understand the currency. Okay. For instance, I know the when we look at the dollar and we look at the krona case, a one dollar is nine point six krona in Sweden. What I know that really is not very beneficial because the still super expensive in Sweden. So even though our dollar is a nine of their krona that still doesn't benefit me at all. Okay. So I only know that by being there. That's why challenge you guys get out, and, you know, just explore these different countries understand the currency but come an expert in the currency. And it will help you go along way. Okay. Because when you are expert at the currency, you will understand, and you would know if you're paying more for something that you should. All right. And this is something that a lot of tourists. Get caught up in, you know, they think they're getting a good deal, but they really aren't. Okay. So become an expert at the currency in the country, you're going to before you go. Don't wait, if you get, if you wait till you get there there's too late. At least get a baseline, like okay I got a baseline idea on how much should be spending on stuff based off with the currency. All right last, but not least before I get outta here. This is a rule of thumb that you have to take to your grave, and you have to follow this, you actually have the follow period. RA never ever ever ever, ever, ever, ever withdraw money from a. Go, you know, we at the airport, and you do a currency exchange don't ever use them ever. Because those have they have the highest rate. All right. Another thing I wouldn't even don't even change any currency. All right. Don't go to a country you with your dollars and then exchange because you're, you're gonna lose you're always gonna lose because they got overhead they gotta pay the got employees. They gotta pay so you're not gonna get all your money. All right. When you convert the best thing to do. Whenever you're in these countries is to withdraw your money from an ATM your ATM. The ATM is gonna be your best rate period. Okay. The next best thing, besides having an ATM is actually on having a Bank in that country is either one or the other either, you have a Bank in that country where you can withdraw money or you're using an ATM to get the best rate when on your money, period. All right. Allergist Hardaway a couple times. All right. So keep that in mind. All right. I'm going to get out of here. I got some projects need to work on. But like I said, I'm going to Ukraine on Friday, AMT telling you is going down. All right. Baena help with financial coaching shoot man Email our send you the questionnaire in the budget. So product you fill out. I'm going to discuss what you the price in that Masenu envoys via pay pow. And I'm gonna call you whenever. You're ready. All right. So I appreciate everyone who's been following me. Been subscribing to me who's been listened to my story. I appreciate your. All right. So with off whether a do a I'll be guys haven't productive leak and stay tune. 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Our Animal Instincts

Hidden Brain

48:20 min | 1 year ago

Our Animal Instincts

"This is hidden brain. I'm Shankar Redonda. Many of us share our homes with animals furry feathered for security. Abandoning. The are definitely like my family members had this smart. Right him man. I got no kids. So that's my son. You know, he's my baby. Yet as much as we love our pets our behavior to what animals can be paradoxical, don't you think it's kind of weird that we're eating her cats me, and we have strongly and not eating meat on this. I think the more you love animals. The more you might consider being a vegetarian use bulldog was made by science. Do you know what I'm saying? I think losers roadhouse Balogh with mother nature. I don't think English bulldog is a part of other nature. So I'm walking hypocrite, and I recognize that and I'm okay with that. This week on hidden brain we explored the contradictions and quandaries of our relationships with animals. This message comes from NPR sponsor, KPMG revolutionize your enterprise with AI KPMG can help you harness the power of AI to unlock its potential, and deliver growth. More at read dot KPMG dot US slash NPR support also comes from Exxon Mobil, the company working to make carbon capture technology, more efficient, and affordable, so we can be deployed at industrial sites worldwide. Find out more at energy, factor dot com. When had hers son Adam was young. He had a pet mouse named willy one day Willie died. So how used this as a teaching moment, we thought it would be a good lesson for the kids in terms of in terms of understanding death to have a funeral forum after all, you know, he was a pet the kids really really liked them and they were very upset when he died until we had a funeral. We, we got a little cord box and made a little casket. We took him into the backyard, we buried him, and we actually had a little headstone for him, we got we got some rocks and, and made a little middle headstone form, a couple of days later housewife found some mouse droppings in the kitchen and asked him to do something about it. Well, my wife's a need Nick in the idea that we would, we would be sharing our house with with little creature scampering around that we're mice was not something that she could live with. So she asked me to kill the mouse and. I did. I went out and I bought a mousetrap. I put a little dab of peanut butter on it and put it under the kitchen in the next morning. I got up and the mouse was dead. And of course, you did what you always do with dead mice, which is you put it in a cardboard box and took it out in the back and gave it a funeral right? No, I threw it in the bushes to dead, mice, two very different responses. They were in different psychological categories. One was a pet which lot of people, including us, sort of consider Willie family member. He had a name and the other was a pest. He was freeze learning by stealing our cheese, and, and, and you generally being wet mice do that is that is to say pest, so, you know, there is a completely different psychological relationship between Willie are pad and the pest. How does all this a professor of psychology at western Carolina university? He's been studying human animal interactions for more than thirty years. He writes about the contradictions in our attitudes toward mice and other creatures in his book. Some we love some. We hate some. We eat why it's so hard to think straight about animals. I asked him how the labels we replace on animals. Good mouse, bad mouse pet or pests change how we interact with them. Certainly, one of the deepest and most important reasons that we treat animals differently is related to the categories that we put in. That's absolutely true. So here's a second story that also lays out a slightly related but different contradiction. Your family wants also owned a pet snake and a nasty rumor spread about what you were feeding the snake what was the rumor? And what does that reveal in some ways about the relationship we have with animals? I got a call one day from a friend of mine, who's an animal rights activist. And she said that she had gotten a call from one of her friends saying that I was going to our local animal shelter and getting kittens and taking him home and feeding to our bowl constrictor, who was likely a pet and had a name. Sam, what does this reveal about some of the contradictions we have about animals? You talk a little bit in the book about, you know, both sort of the abortions with which we receive this idea that anyone would dream of feeding kittens to two snakes, but of course, in your mind is also produced something of a thought experiment, and some questions about cats and snakes. It did and actually for the next couple of days. There was something that kept nagging me about that. And I was thinking, like, okay, you know what Sam eight? He was a car of our like cats. And what he ate was mice. And so I would go basically, to the pet shop and buy mice to feed to the snake live mice and kill them. I give them to the snake. I thought, well, wait. Minute, there's catch being euthanized at the animal shelter that are unwanted wouldn't it be more ethical for me to actually go to the animal shelter, and get the bodies of dead kittens, as opposed to using buying life, mice, wouldn't that be morally permissible with it be morally better to actually feed kittens to boa constrictors than to feed mice to boa constrictors? And of course, then that means you went out to the animal shelter and did what the rumor was saying that he were doing. Of course, I did not. We're, we had a pet cat at the time we still have that cat, we live with cats. I love cats. I would never feed a cat to a constructor. So this is a classic example of, of head versus heart. And I realized that moral consistency. Oftentimes leads us astray, and our interactions with animals. And that, that really haunted me ever says, like how can I how could I live in a world in which he was okay to feed? Kansas constructive, an interesting shocker, the original title of my book was feeding kinsfolk inspectors. But the editor my agent immediately made me change it because nobody would buy a book with that title. It sounds like the start of a bad Coen brothers movie. Does it snagged me a literary agent, but they wouldn't they wouldn't they wouldn't take the step. Tell me about another story that you describe in the book this guy, Jim Thomson. He's a doctoral student you Matt. And he owned, this very beautiful bird, and he started thinking about that bird, and then he did something unusual with this board, walk me through what he did. Yeah, he was a graduate student, and he was a very logical rational, rational person. And he had a pet bird as cockatiel as I recall that he really loved, and his mother had given him a copy of an animal rights magazine. I think it was animals agenda at the time, and he read the magazine it changed his life. So he became an animal rights activist hardcore became vegan, quit wearing leather made his girlfriend start doing all that stuff as well. And then one day he looked at the bird who lived in a cage, and he came to the conclusion, the intellectual conclusion that it was unethical to live with a bird in a cage. And so he took the bird outside, and he freighted and the bird flu out of the cage. And he said it was an amazing sight to see that bird took off. And then he told me he looked at me. He said, sheepishly you know, I know she probably died. I know that I was doing it more for me than I was for the bird. You know, it made me think about all the ways in which we sort of relate to animals in some ways, as, if there was sort of fellow creature. So, in other words, if he kept a fellow human being in a cage, it would seem absolutely unjust. Immoral and wrong and releasing that person from the cage would seem like the only right thing to do. And in some ways, we extend that logic. When we talk about the book, that's what he was doing. And as I was reading the story, it reminded me of another story you have in the book. This was a different story. But in, in some ways, it has the same subtext kooky was a twelve foot long Nile crocodile at the Miami. Serban -tarian a six year old boy wants fell into cookies and closure. And the crock did what crocodiles do. He grabbed the child pulled him underwater. What are the owner of the serpent Terry do next? Well, the owner of the immediately the owner of the serpent Terry jumped into you heard the people watching, you know, gasp in horror, and he knew something was going on. He jumped into the cage and try. And to save the kid, little David and failed and that night Hoss. Woke up in the middle of the night. I'm assuming he didn't get much sleep. He had a revolver, a Luger in his bedroom. He put the shells in and he went into cookies cage, and he put nine bullets in his brain. And by the way, he had had cookie for many, many years and cookie was a favourite of has an animal that he loved in a way that probably only herpetologist somebody like me, who's studies real tiles and likes them, you can understand. I argue that in some ways, it's the operation of a phenomenon that cognitive psychologists called curious deke's heuristic is sort of a mental shortcut, and it sometimes leads to good logical correct answers. But sometimes it doesn't in this case, it seems to be the operation of type of heuristic called the moral heuristic in the moral heuristic is revenge. Ange and at one point, the New York Times, actually wrote in editor about that event and the editorial writer, I think got it right. And in the editorial writer wrote killing cookie made no sense intellectually, but it felt right? Emotionally. And the reason it didn't make sense. Intellectually, of course, is the idea that a crocodile would do. What a crocodile does is hardly surprising. That's what crocodiles do is brain is smaller than a walnut. He is a creature largely of instinct, particularly when it comes to food, and you was doing what crocodiles do. He was not a moral agent, you know, which I would argue as one of the biggest differences between humans and other species. We are moral agents. So the interesting thing is that Haas the owner in some ways related to cookie as if cookie was a person that cookie was a moral agent, and in some ways, that's a variation of what Jim Thompson was doing with the bud wasn't it, which is your assuming that the animal has agency, and behaves or things or has human like qualities, and that, you're therefore obliged, or required to treat, this are the creature as if in some ways, it had human qualities. I'm sure that if you interviewed Haas, he, he, you know, clearly would know the difference intellectual level between a crocodile and a person but you're quite right. He's basically treated them the same way that we would have. Ersan, this similarly played out in a bizarre incident that happened in Tennessee, where an elephant named Mary killed. It's groom while circus parade in nineteen sixteen and they hung the elephant to death and to me that was the ultimate example of where we've anthropomorphized animals that we give it capital punishment in a sense for something that it was clearly, not morally culpable. So people listening to these stories would say, wow. Those really crazy stories. But as you point out in the book this, this tendency, we have to Astra per Murphy's animals is actually really ubiquitous you draw contrast between the way we relate to the giant panda and the giant salamander t-, tell me what the giant salamander is what it looks like. And how our attitudes toward these different animals are shaped by the ways in some ways that we anthropomorphized them the so the animals in some way, or similar the giant panda and the giant Chinese, Sal. Mander in that they're both endangered and they both live in China and they're both really special. Although in quite different ways the giant Chinese salamander is basically a six foot long bag of Brown slime with beady eyes to, to me, they're like they're striking. I wouldn't say that they're beautiful, but they're stunning just in their size and their. I don't know. You have to be charismatic, but I don't think most people would agree with that. But you're not going to see the World Wildlife Fund putting a picture of the giant Chinese salamander on their logo. Instead they use panda and the panda. You know, in some ways, looks a little bit like a human, but it's basically a faker and the sense that it has these giant circles around its eyes, which theologists called baby releaser. So we look at that panda and basically, logs onto that jams into that, that maternal instinct, that we have when we see creatures with big eyes, and impose on them that in some ways, it reminds us of human infant to for example, research have shown that one of the biggest predictors of whether or not people will give money to save animals is the size of the animals. Highs and certainly have twenty comes to is size. When we come back to walk pets, actually improve our lives pet owners were better off in terms of their psychological and physical health and non pet owners. But as a pointed out, so where people with Mercedes Benzes. Stay with us support for hidden brain and the following message come from American Express with the platinum card, you'll learn membership rewards points on virtually all your purchases, and turn those points into anything from nights out two flights away. That's the powerful backing of American Express. Don't live life. Without it terms apply to all benefits. Visit American Express dot com slash explore platinum for more info support also comes from Microsoft today. Artificial intelligence is helping us grow more food while using fewer resources. It helps architects bring our loss history back to life. Eight even helps us search for our next favorite beer across the globe. Innovators are using artificial intelligence to reinvent the way we work today. See how I is empowering business innovators at Microsoft dot com slash AI. When we think about pets in the United States, we often picture, cats dogs, maybe a hamster, how Horak says a relationship with animals, especially those, we consider pets is largely dictated by our communities and culture. So, for example, I've got a friend, that's out there politics who was born and raised in Kenya. And in the village where he was raised they kept dogs. The dogs were allowed to roam freely in the village. They really liked dogs that we would consider main dogs because they scared away, outta moles, and they scared away strangers, but they were considered pets. In fact, in his language. They don't even have a word for pet. And I went to ask him. I said, yeah, got would you like you know, let a dog in your house when you're living in Africa? And he said, no, I said, would you let a dog eat at the table, you know, and feedoms table scraps. He said, no. I said, now that you've let a dog sleep in your bed, and the look into horror on his face. It was like, if I said, hey, I got this really cool rat. I just caught dot the Hudson river. You wanna sleep tonight. In fact, I recently got some new data on this. So it turns out that in the United States, we have amongst the highest rate of dog ownership in the world. And there are enormous differences between countries in dog ownership. So there's about two hundred fifty dogs per thousand people in the United States and Egypt. There's about five dogs per thousand people, so these cultural variations in what people, what's except the wolves pet and what's not is just huge. I want to spend a moment talking about the relationships that we have with pets in North America. I, I know that people spend a lot of money on pets. But as I read your book, I was just shocked at how high that number is. How much do we spend on our pets every year? Hell. It's, it's pushing about eighty billion dollars a year right now. It's an enormous amount of money. I mean, that's, that's a fleet of aircraft carriers. Yeah, yeah, it is. And if you even adjusted for inflation, the amount of money that we spent on pets each year in the United States has more than doubled in the last thirty years per capita while the real increase in spending has been at the high end gourmet pet food for dogs. I mean you can buy food that you would eat. In fact, my tease my wife and I say, well, we're going to do is like, and we get ready for the giant decline is we're going to stack up on dog food. But, but it's also things like you know, pet daycares pet spas. There's a hotel that has zen room. You can get your pets massage and I don't know what else pets do is Enron. We're talking about dog parks. We're talking about Jule Collins, we're talking about pet fashion weeks. We're talking about all these things and the pet food industry calls this, the humanization of pets, and it really has taken off in the last three years. Another factor is. As advertising and publicity by the pet products industry that push the idea that pets are good for people that if you get a pet you'll be happier and healthier person is this actually true that owning a pet is good for your health, and your annual longevity. We have overwhelming evidence, now that for a lot of people interacting with their pet. Does have short-term effects on their physiology? Lowers distress makes them feel better. The question you ask. However, was different. That was our pets. Really good for our health and make us live longer. And here my answer is that we don't have particularly good evidence for the long term impact of pets on human health. I have a stack of reprints in my office, which people have found that, you know, people with pets they sleep better, that they that they go to the doctor last at the hip better wellbeing that they're less lonely etcetera etcetera, etcetera. But I have another stack reprints in my office that says, just the opposite, that people with pets are more lonely that they're more likely to go to the doctor that they're more likely to drink a lot that they're more likely to have ulcers, but you never hear about those studies in the news, they don't make the news. There's very little evidence that pets make people live longer. And one of the problems, we have is which direction the causal arrow points, for example, recent study by the RAND Corporation found that pet owners. In fact, were better off in terms of their psychological and physical health and non pet owners. But as a pointed out, so where people with Mercedes Benzes people with pets tend to be wealthier. They tend to be younger, they tend to live in nicer. Places in other words, the socioeconomic factors may be that it's not that pets are making people, happier and healthier, happier healthier, people are more likely to have pets. We have very little data to test those two different hypotheses. You present some really striking. Studies in the book, which, which talk in some ways or the downside of having pets. You say that some eighty five thousand Americans are injured each year, according to the CDC because they trip over their pets or otherwise are injured by them, and I understand your neighbor ad is one of those victims, they were in is one of those victims. She's a classic case she was walking her dog and leash wrapped around her leg, and she fell over, and she broker collarbone. I recently went on Facebook and I put I put a call out. I said, if interview of ever been injured by you a pet by walking your dog. Let's say you know, please write me a note, and I could not believe the response eighty people responded to me many of them were professionals in the field. Some of them, even sit me there x-rays, which. I was in some of these incidents were not trivial some of these incidents were life changing, so there are downsides to, to pet ownership. Shoot. There's a new frontier and pet ownership now and I want to play you a clip. This is from the company Sony, and they presented this account of a dog at a tech conference. Let's start with design. I. Adorable. He wags his tail wiggles years, lynxes is. And even does that doggie smiled that smile that dogs do when you're scratch, just right? And they kinda tilt their head and half close their eyes and they open their mouth a little smile. Yeah. That's so of course how I though isn't a real dog. I though is a robot. And it really looks like humans are completely indiscriminate when it comes to who we will consider and what we will consider to be pets. Yeah. The thing about I got an interesting history, Sony originally developed bow, and I've owes a robotic dog, and it does all kinds of things it'll fetch it'll signal you, it's emotions, it'll respond, when you call it to name the problem with Iboh is that it's metal in shiny, so it doesn't have for so, well, I had some real it was expensive, but originally costs about two thousand bucks. It didn't catch on initially, but I was recently, resurrected by Sony, and I've look. At the new promotional videos, if I bow and I'm ready. I'm ready to get one. It looks it looks pretty good. Oh. And there have been studies where they've taken, I bow, and some other types of robotic pets into things like nursing homes, and to see if they had the same impact on people living in nursing homes, in terms of morale and wellbeing as they do a real dog. And the results have been sort of mixed, but some of the cases I bow has actually done better in some cases than than an actual animal, and some of this. I'm guessing might have to do with the fact that doesn't have some of the downsides that owning a real dog might have Ibos not going to bark. Uncontrollably at night or bark at your friends when they come over for a party. I mean dogs and cats and pets can sometimes induce stress within families, and emotional, and psychological problems within within households. Absolutely, they can the other thing that I bow doesn't do is raise the pesky ethical questions that come with pet ownership. You don't have to. To worry about the ethics of depriving ibew of a sex life by castrating him. You don't have to worry about the ethics of leaving bow alone for long periods of time while your office during the day you don't have to take for a walk three times a day, and then pick up poop as you walk it. Walk it down the road. So, I think I've got some real advantages. So besides the many animals that you will, and that people already talked about, you also own a cat whose name is Tilley and you have what other cat owners might think is rather idiosyncratic way of expressing your affection for Tilli in the book. You write, don't feel bad Tilly. I love you. Even if you are a socially constructed parasite, really. Yeah. Questions Chia parasite. And this is the view that pets are basically a form of evolutionary, what's called nest parasitism, which we see in birds. So, for example, let's take the Cowburn Cowburn does, is it lays its eggs in another bird's Ness. Let's say a Wren's nest, and it then flies away and leaves, it's eggs for this rent a hatch, the rendent sits on the edge until it hatches and so that the Rin winds up raising the bird of the baby of another species. And that's what happened. That's how we got TIMMY. What happened is, you know this little kitten showed up one day on our doorstep. I was away. I came home and my wife had the strange grin on her face. And I thought I've never quite seen that look what is she had this grin? And she says. Come here come here career, and she shows me this lovely little cat. And we were hooked we were hooked. So what did we do? We've been raising Tilly ever since you know, we've basically been conned by tilles mom to take care of her nestling. You know, we don't share any genes with jelly, but yet the average pet outer over the life of the pet will invest roughly ten thousand dollars in their so we have ten thousand dollars worth a nest parasite living with us. And we get our money's worth out of her. Well, you think you'll get your money's worth because of course it's, it's having the last lap, absolutely. When we come back, how the contradictions in the ways we think about animals lead to paradoxes and how we treat them. This message comes from NPR sponsor indeed, when it comes to hiring, you don't have time to waste you need help. Getting your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes set up screener questions, then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs, new users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. Terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. This message comes from NPR sponsor, dis truth, be told podcast, a new advice show by and for people of color that helps you be you in a world, that doesn't always want you to be exploring questions, like, is it okay to feel joy when the world is burning 'em? I in love. Of with my boyfriend or actually sleeping with white supremacy. What would you do? If you weren't afraid. Checkout truth be told on apple podcasts kqeDorg, or anywhere, you get your shows support for this podcast and the following message come from the Annie E, Casey foundation developing solutions to support strong families and communities to help ensure a brighter future for America's children. More information is available at eighty CF dot org. How does all is a professor of psychology at western Carolina university. He's the author of the book, some we love some. We hate some. We eat why it's so hard to think straight about animals how the contradictions in the way we think about animals leader, paradoxes and moral dilemmas in how we treat them. Let's look at the very, very simplest case a millions of Americans like yourself own a cat. They care for their pet. They say they love animals, but you simultaneously say that loving your cat means subjecting other animals to suffering house. Oh my catches serial killer. She she's an indoor outdoor cat. And so when she wants to go outside, I let her outside, and what she does some of the time is kill small animals. Sometimes birds, more oftens. It's small mice and voles creatures like that. I am actually more conflicted by being a cat owner than I am over any other aspect of my relationships with animals. And of course, the cat is doing what comes naturally to the cat. The cat is a predator. You can't expect the cat to be behaving any different. But the fact that millions of Americans own cats mean that in some ways, they're at least indirectly sanctioning this mass murder of for example, you know, songbirds. Yeah. And mass murderer it is depending on the statistics somewhere between one billion and five billion birds each year or killed by our pet cat. Furthermore, cats are obligate carnivores. They have to eat meat. And so I've got a lots of friends that are vegetarians, vegans, and they're morally opposed to eating meat, but yet they keep cats and they have to buy animal flesh to keep their cats happy and healthy, and it's a big moral problem for some people, you ran sort of the calculations on this, and you describe them in the book mathematically, a cat consumes about two ounces of meat a day. That's about fifty pounds of meat a year by contrast, snakes. Early consume maybe five pounds of meat a year, or so, the impact of having a cat, the moral impact if you will is ten times greater in the moral of winning a snake, and of course, most animal lovers will be horrified. If you would've suggest replacing kittens with snakes, or maybe even as we discussed feeding kittens to ball. I actually developed a scale one time I was interested in this issue. And I developed the skill which I called the feeding kittens to boa constrictor scale, I was actually trying to make fun of psychological skills, but it turned out to produce some very interesting things. So, for example, most of my students that I gave the skill to said that it was okay to feed mice to bulk constrictors, but it was not okay to feed mice to cats which was interesting enough, and what I asked them why you know, why is it? Okay. To feed mice to a boa constrictor but not a cat. One of my students put it perfectly. She said, if my cat, eight mice, she wouldn't be like me. And that to me, I this whole thing about what we project onto the animals that we lived with my cats, eight mice. She wouldn't be like made. Well, she's not like you, girl, you know, but in some ways, bringing sort of cat food home, just like you bring your own groceries home allows you that student in some ways to preserve that Aleutian, doesn't it? Absolutely. She's preserving the illusion cheese preserving the illusion. Now, if I were a better person, perhaps, I would keep my cat indoors, which is a lot of my friends told me as I should make her an indoor cat. Well, I resist doing that. And my reasoning is probably equally fallacious this that if I were a cat, I would rather be an indoor outdoor cat then a cat that lives in a big cage and spend day looking outside through the window with the birds flitting around now. I know that by buddy, Mike Kako outdoors. I subject her to the tough things in the wild. In other words, shaky get eaten by a Coyote she she can't get hit by a car because. We live on a on a road that doesn't have any cars go down. But the life of an indoor outdoor cat tends to be shorter, even though she's had a long and good life. But I can't completely justify doing that because of the toll she takes on the small animal life. But I live with it. So the more, we think of animals as sort of members of our family. The more we think of them as being like us, in some ways is raises a profound moral paradox, does it not, which is that if we actually think of these animals is being like us how in the world can we, you know, in any good conscience, confine them to our homes can find them to cages treat them as if they were captives to do with, as we please. Well, I think that's a great point is something that I've been thinking about a lot lately, and I've really quite seriously been thinking about is it ethical to keep animals pets if we really think of them as autonomous beings, what right, do we have to take away all their autonomy by controlling every aspect of their life. What they eat where they go when they go and increasing, we're taking control of their genes, which created its own problems. And so I'm thinking increasingly that, that I'm wondering about the ethics of keeping animals as pets to me that the logic pet keeping is not that different than the logic of meeting. I eat meat, and I know the arguments against it are good. And they're better than my argument for eating meat, which is basically, I like the way it tastes. Why feel the same way about my cat? I love my cat. But she carries with her moral burden. It's my moral burden. It's not her moral bird. I'm the moral agent on the adult in the room. And I'm the one that has the deal with thinking about this stuff, although most people conveniently repress it, and don't think about it. I'm wondering how in some ways as you're pointing out, these contradictions are unresolvable given the contradictions that you've laid out in the paradoxes of being a pet owner some of the moral costs that come with being a pet owner. If you're coming out a most what you, you would lose them if they were to die. Would you get replacements for them today? Boy, that's a great question. That is such a tough question. I've thought about it. I definitely would not get a dog. I, I miss having a dog actually, my wife and I are both dog people, but we haven't had a dog for ten years as because our lifestyle doesn't lend itself. I don't think a dog would be happy living in our house, because we're away too much during the day. I can't stand the idea of leaving them in a kennel or cat's happy to live by yourself. And I think I think the answer is, yes, I think the answer is that I would get another cat. The moral dilemmas of pet ownership paid in comparison to the moral dilemmas posed by use of animals in sport, and has food Hal explore some of the deepest, contradictions, we have to what animals by looking at the sport of cockfighting, first of all cockfighting is more illegal now than it was when I was doing that work but it's just as brutal now. So, basically, in a cockfight what you have to chickens and you have to handlers and you have a referee in a pit, which is roughly fifteen feet in diameter. The referee says pit him the handlers. Let them go and the two Roosters try and kill each other one rooster almost invariably dies because they have gaffes, which are basically knives attached to their legs. And it's basically about gambling. There's money changing hands. And so, I. Entered this clandestine world then in live the net clandestine world for a couple of years now. Anyone who here's what you've just described would say. All right. This is morally unconscionable, we cannot allow this to happen. We need to ban this support. And it has been banned in all parts of the country and many parts of the world. But, but tell me a little bit more about what happens when you look more closely at the life of one of these Roosters, that's raised for cockfighting and you contrast this, in some ways with the life of your average, broiler chicken. Yeah. Well, I, I want to say that I do not justify cockfighting. Everything you said about it is correct. It is brutal. It is unjustified. It's now banned throughout the United States, and it should be banned throughout the United States. Not trying to justify to for me as I started studying cockfights, and how they thought I became really interested in their moral worlds. They also began to ask myself some difficult questions and one of the difficult questions was if. I were chicken if I come back in the next world is chicken, would I rather be at east Tennessee game cock, or would I rather be a mcnugget, another words, chicken raised in broiler house to become a mcnugget and to me? There is no doubt in my mind, I would much rather be a game cock than a chicken destined to be served at McDonald's. Can you describe to me how you reach that conclusion? What is the life off that game cock? And what is the life of that chicken that ends up as mcnugget? Okay. I let's take a game, cock they live long lives, and they live lives that are generally compared to a broiler chicken pretty darn amazing. They live on average two years or not usually fought till they're two years old for chunk of their life. They live in free range or they have way more room than a broiler chicken. They're fed incredibly, well, very diet. They get plenty of exercise, if they win a couple of fights. They will use. Him as a stud rooster and what they'll do is they'll spend their life chasing the hints around not a bad deal on the other hand, the life of a broiler chicken is absolutely horrendous, their life, only lasts between six and seven weeks. They're basically meet machines, which means that they put on weight so fast that their legs can't really hold up their bodies. And so they have chronic leg pain has been called the world's largest animal welfare problem. They're jammed into giant broiler houses with thirty thousand chicks broiler house where they'll never see the sun. They'll never get to play on the grass. They'll never get to peck. It bugs their lungs will be burned with the Monja. It's an absolutely horrendous existence and they will die pretty lousy death. They'll be crammed into a series of cages. They'll be hauled for miles in an open truck jammed into small little cages with their feathers flying down the interstate where they will be heading ups. Side down by their legs dipped into an electrified, water bath, too stunned them. And then they'll go through a karate artery set of blades that will hopefully kill them quickly. Although oftentimes, it does not so the life of the life of the life of a game cock, oddly is vastly better than the life of the nine billion chickens that Americans eat each year. I mean, that is a billion with a B you write in the book, white Americans will sleep easier at night knowing cockfighting is banned in all fifty states. Thirty five million chickens will be stuffed into Wia, crates, on their way to processing plants tomorrow. That's one day that makes you think doesn't it. Absolutely does. When I when I began doing my research on the comparative cruelty of cockfighting versus versus mcnuggets. I was stunned. I mean I just I, I was absolutely absolutely stunned. And I realized, you know, cockfighting should be. Legal, but the casual chicken eater is committing the bigger sin in their own way. Then is the rooster fighter. And by the way rooster fires. Love their animals. That was one of the things I had time wrapping my head around is like this guy's really love thickens, the comedian, Chris rock, once went on David Letterman, and talked about some of the contradictions and the way we think about animals. He contrasted the football player, Michael Vache, who went to prison for promoting dogfighting with the former governor of Alaska and hunting enthusiast, Sarah Palin Hsun Lewis's. She got the moose. Holding a dead. Michael vick's. Like, what am I? The white lady shoot a moose. Platinum want to kill a doll crime. He does sound like a double standard. How yeah it does sound like a double standard. We see the same thing in lots of areas of human animal to actors. So, for example, take cockfighting cockfighting is a sport of the lower socioeconomic status whites and Hispanics, it on the other hand compare that with the sport of kings horse racing horse racing is finally coming under the gun in the last couple of months as you probably know I think almost thirty animals were killed the CNN Nita racetrack in California. And this has been going on for years and years, and years, a number of thoroughbred horses at dine numbers in the thousands and thousands each year. But yet very few people get bent out of shape about horse racing compared to cockfighting. So it is a class thing in some ways, isn't it very much. So very much a class thing, we started this conversation how by talking about some stories and paradoxes and contradictions from your own life. And I want to end the conversation in the same way when you were in grad school, you will once asked to put a number of different. Creatures into boiling water. Why will you ask to do this, and walk me through what happened? Yeah. I was working at a chemical ecology lab. And we were interested in the chemical perceptions of in this case, it was reptiles, snakes, maybe snakes, and we basically were interested in whether or not, these animals are born with an instinctive preference for certain types of foods, and of course, they eat, live animals. So in this case, there was a another researcher in Utah, that was interested in doing some research for his dissertation, and he said, our lab, basically menagerie came at a big box, which basically said this side up, why animals in the box contained an array of animals that contain worms crickets? It contained some scorpions it contained lizard, it contained another snake, it contained and then a mouse. And so also the lowest ranking member of the lab. So they assigned me to basically convert these animals to solution that. Could be Dowd on a swab and exposed to these snakes. And so the procedure involves dropping these animals into water that was not quite boiling, and I thought, okay, I'll do it. And I dropped the first one in that I think was cricket. And it just died instantly. And then I did the scorpion, which was a bigger animal and it didn't die so quickly. And then I had to do the recall, it was lizard and know like lizards I like reptiles and it was not good. You know, it took much longer time for the lizard to die in the water, and I was getting upset. And then I was working my way up the file genetic scale, and then there was the mouse. It was a cute little mouse wouldn't alab mouse. It was one of these cute little woodland mice. And I took it to look at a mouse, and as I recall, I actually picked it up was getting ready to drop it in the water. I just couldn't do it. At I, I put the mouse back in its cage. I wouldn't told the lab manager, I can't do this, somebody else, who's going to have to do it that just haunted me for a very long time. And it really was the event that got me on this journey that I've been on for more than thirty years now about trying to understand why it was so easy to do the cricket and harder to the lizard. And I and I couldn't do the mouse, and I've never come to grips with it. But I've been chasing that down. Really the thing that got me thinking about this. I collagen human animal interactions. Why we treat some animals different than other. So one way that people justify eating meat and treating animals the way they do is that they believe there's a status hierarchy between animals and, and it's along the lines of what happened in your lab. So worms are lower on the scale than scorpion. Scorpions are lower on the scale then mice you once watched the Steven Spielberg movie ET with your daughter, and you came up with, if thought experiment, that probably ruined the movie for her. Oh, she's my twin daughters. They're both there and probably most listeners are where of what happens at the end of the movie, so and Elliot or running around California. They're buddies for, you know, the previous two hours and at the end ET's mom comes back to get them in the flying saucer. And, and ET that great big head and big is looks at Elliot. And he says he Croke he goes. Come with me. We'll go back to overcome. We'll have a great time. It Elliott says, now I can't do stay here in e takes off and it goes back to Arkansas. Good. And my daughter's what I was saying. I said, hey, girls, would if ET wanted Elliott to go back to work with them. And so he grabs Elliott, and he drags him screaming into the flying saucer because they wouldn't use in a research experiment. They went use him an experiment, this aids like virus, and being that people who Zork and Zorkin's are much smarter than Americans are much smarter than Elliott. Would it be okay? For ET to kidnap Elliott and take him in use them in biomedical research, experiment. Kids horrified. No, dad. No, no. And I thought the same thing. No. That would not be a good idea. But on the other hand when I realized was that our use of animals in biomedical research is based on the same premise, you know, we're smarter than other creatures. We're way smarter than mice. We're, we're smarter than dogs with someone smarter than chimpanzees at our own ways. And that's our justification for using animals in biomedical research. And I was first of the conclusion. Look, if we're gonna use animals research, we got you t- take it back this, Oregon use a case. Obviously, it's the same sort of thought experiment that I did. When I concluded we ought to feed kittens to bulk constrictors, you know, but I still can't wrap my head around that my heart's telling me one thing, even know watching is telling me something else. And that's the gist of a lot of our inconsistencies with our interactions with animals. How is a professor of psychology at western Carolina university. He's the author of the book, some we love some. We hate some we eat why it's so hard to think straight about animals how thanks for joining me today on hidden break. Thanks for having me. I really enjoyed it. To learn more about hat in his research, check out his blog animals and us from psychology today. This week show was produced by Thomas Lou, it was edited by Tara boy. And Raina Cohen team includes path Shah, Nora chorale and Jenny Schmidt. Our unsung hero this week is Kimberly Sullivan. She walks in our legal department and helped us last week with drafting some paperwork for an upcoming show legal work is often, not the stuff of TV courtroom. Dramas lawyers often labor in the dark at Kimberly mentioned, how sad it was that people regularly skip over carefully crafted legal language because they think it's all legal ease. 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Today's episode is an Instagram, live that Gary did with a fan where he discusses business and life enjoy. trank. All. Right. All right. We're in the building. How are you going? Very, well, how are you? Very good super excited to have you. Thanks a lot. Opportunity. I met you I. Don't know if you I'm sure you don't be called up I was on the web at two, thousand, nine, hundred, seventeen, eighteen I was the first time I see and I was like, wow, look at the energy this guy have. Ideas that are not conventional not textbook it's just so talks to the brain and the heart and I looked at ever since then you know have been a big Fan and a follower. There's a lot of questions the one here you know we want to pump them up however I just want to start with you know how was I was you're beginning was. Because everybody sees gabby today and it's like, wow, you know I want to be like him or but what they probably don't know. That you went through you know you started an immigrant and a wine. Shop and then you've done you I E commerce. So you WANNA give us a little bit of a for. People with understand where we're talking about here. I was born in the former Soviet. Union. So you know being a entrepreneur to be born in a communist country is very ironic and you know that very fortunate that we were able to leave the Soviet Union small group of individuals were able to leave in the late seventies we were. Lucky with having family here and. Political asylum was able to come here unfortunately for my family the late seventy seventies in the US were very challenging time. The economy was extremely Bad New York City was dangerous and it was it was it was a Brian lived in a studio apartment with. With with grandparents and with my grandmother and my great grandparents and it was definitely a challenge my dad worked every minute that I can recall I really didn't have much of a relationship with him for the first fourteen years of my life because he was trying to establish the American dream for US I was. To your point I was a very streak kid non-conventional I I was non-conventional pure entrepreneur not textbook and and I had a mother that was unbelievably kind. And and had incredible emotional intelligence and so I had this weird juxtaposition of like being. And dirt and a grinder, but have this framework of respecting kindness and gentleness and interesting combination. It created a unique variable I was very good at selling things eventually got dragged into my family's business. My Dad had a liquor store. Merchant. Fell in love with the idea of people collecting wine premium wine became deeply educated net all along the way being terrible student. No Real University have any interest in Gary V. Nineteen Ninety Four. then. She came into my dad's business. Realize the Internet was GONNA be a big deal. And started in ECOMMERCE blind business in nineteen ninety-seven, which went on to become one of the big companies in America in the wine business. That was my father's business i. Took it from a three to a sixty five, million dollar business but in but when I was thirty, two, thirty, three, I kind of realized I, had to go on my own because I wasn't getting paid a whole lot and acquisitions and and I felt like I checked the box really brought value to my father and mother beautiful. Ready my brothers, eleven years younger than me. He he graduated school and we started danger media, which is still run today, which is a advertising agency Marketing Agency Thousand People Singapore London New York La. Big brands well to work with. Yep. Budweiser and chase experience in the world and. It's That's going well, and then along the way, the two other things I kind of did during that time. I became an early investor and companies. That's why was late Web. So early on as Based on twitter. And early user of Youtube, the time Luik I was one of the most innovative people on Youtube when it first came out in the first year, I, was being written about in tech crunch and I was very much part of that. Web. Two Point Oh movement friends, Kevin Rosen Mark sucker brilliant. Sciacca a very interesting time for me learned a lot. And then, and then I became a prolific content creator around my ideas and wrote five New York Times bestselling books. Thank you one more successful public speakers in the industry and. And and produce an ungodly amount of free content with millie with really the hope of you know. Legacy to be frank. My friend you know I'm very. I'm very busy right now, there's a lot going on with Kovin but when my said Hey. Do you WanNa do this slobs absolutely a I do recall meeting aware of you and to you know you have an incredible audience in Saudi and and I you know my snapchat. Three years ago really penetrated. Incredible. People of Saudi. But in general I'm always interested in audiences of because I believe in my ideas like believe they come from a good place and I believe that they bring a lot of value and I'm proud that I'm not interested in funneling these people into a paying product non doing it for my legacy and and I think a lot of people benefit from it and it's been a good run and I'm forty four point. I feel the next forty, four years of my life. I'm going to be able to do a lot of incredible things that will be very selfish and very selfless and that is my framework. It's impressive I mean to be honest everybody I talked to was so excited. So you've left a good impression legacy. Definitely you're still young you still have. Heard one of yours you're talking to, you're saying forty four still. Old Yet and it's a baby and that's one of the things we tend to live our life you know like young. We grow richer point we got married and start a business or start working. That's what what's interesting. You know what you said he still an opportunity to try, and this is something you know what would you tell people feel like you're stuck wherever I am this is my background or this is my degree my parents wanted and it's a pity that I see that a lot of them. What would you tell them? How would you convince somebody like this? Who Thinks? It's game over thinks. Although they have lots of ideas but thinking you know it's not for me, I'm all. Over what would you tell them? I. Would Tell them that if they understand basic math. That they could become much happier. If you're thirty six. It is very likely that you will be living for another fifty years, which means that you are not even at halftime. and. So it's it's very it's very funny. I understand societal norms and by the way. I'm from the former Soviet Union. So you know I'm an immigrant I understand other parts of the world I've spent a ton of time in the Middle East I interact with hundreds of thousands of people a month. I know what parents pressures look like to get a degree to get buried I mean to have a baby I mean I think about. Credible female entrepreneurs I know that are getting pressured by their mothers to when you have a baby leader like as like what they're doing isn't it? It's crazy. So. So. From my perspective. I kind of make them feel silly. If somebody's really pushing against me, they're really dwell and the really sad. Aleka, you're wrong gary is bullshit. I really kind of almost insult them with basic math. You know I said look you're forty nine. You're probably got thirty six more years conservatively. That's the average in your country's each there you go. But with modern medicine that number keeps going up know. The hell are you doing? Why are we giving up and so and when I hear it from somebody who's twenty two or twenty five or the worst number twenty, eight and twenty nine, my friend Twenty Eight, twenty, nine, drive me crazy because a lot of people fear that thirty they fear. And I mean you and I are probably laughing right now we would rip off arms to be twenty nine absolutely of course. Of course. And and that's interesting. What you said because a lot of people think they will get happy later on. So what they're doing, they're trying to work hard trying to hustle trying to grind to be happy later on and guess what that might not happen because if he's working or she's working something, they don't they wasted now and later and I love the part that you always said, you know what's really important to be happy. So. If you're working a job and you're happy with it fine you don't have to. It's not like because he did she I have to follow suit, but it's just what's important is to be happy and I think this is something you always talk about the three principles of like of life. So what can you tell us more about happiness is definitely one but what else is important in life with these young people? I think happiness fulfillment and joy and Algebra one whatever word to use. Sometimes I talk I see people like Garry. It's not happiness its fulfillment I'm like my friend we're talking about the same thing. You know it's funny. The Way I think about that is I wish people spend more time with elders. Not. not, their grandparents outside non family elders. Tom Because I think. I did a lot of that nearly naturally as a kid and I've never really realized why and I've come to realize. What whether I'm an old soul whether it was serendipity of where I was growing up. But. In impeached an enormous amount of wisdom. Because what I extract it, and I'm talking about when I was seven nine eleven years old child child. But I remember many of those conversations that I was always attracted to elderly. And I was very, very close with my grandfather for the year that we when we came to America before he passed unfortunately, we very close. We spend every day together and I remember him fondly even always only four. And he was he was very kind and wise man and I I feel like extract a lot of energy and a lot of way I believe that. I believe that people are confused. I believe that they don't understand I believe that they don't realize that. There are unlimited millions. Of millionaires that are miserable. Three powerful M.'s neuro. There are millions of millionaires. Miserable. Miserable. And I think that if people understood that truth because they don't believe it because when they don't have money like that's okay. I. Don't I'll take it. But what they don't realize they're not unhappy because they're not as wealthy they're unhappy because they're insecure they're unhappy being because they don't. They don't they're unhappy because their relationship with their loved ones isn't good. They're unhappy because they need outside validation. So they aspire for Mercedes benzes and coochie belts and Rolex watches to close the gap of the unhappiness in their heart. They have complicated things when things are. So simple and so happiness to me over everything I'm willing to make that decision anytime now. And I think that's if people have that undermined analogies joy within this affirmative it's happiness. That's what they should see. So if doing business would help them reach their fine if making more money although on the point of money and sometimes you keep on buying because you think that's The happiness by last this much. It's second degree. It's the this people buy things the same way that alcoholic drink alcohol or drug addicted individuals used, they're using it as an escape is a mechanism. Exactly and. They're creating a new reality. Some people need to alter their brain to create a new reality others need to buy things to pose as if they're happy the amount of people on instagram right now that are making pretend they're happy versus actually happy is extraordinarily high, which then leads to the insecure even more insecure because everyone is. Creating these fake environments sled to a lot of anxiety we as a society decide, we want to blame the platforms. FACEBOOK spat. The reality is it's not the platforms fault. The platforms are empty we are filling. We are filling the pipes. Now many people are filling the pipes with artificial. Artificial content artificial flawed. Information and I am instead of judging that and spending my time on that. I'm spending my time on trying to speak about historic truth. In. Contemporary frameworks and and hopefully impact a person at a time to change your perspective listen. For fifteen hundred people that are on this right now. The fact that we're lives. The fact that. You know look look at the technology advances look where I am look where you are were together live right now for three four free. To. I don't think people understand how fortunate we are even during pandemic, even boring these things and so I, just wish people took advantage and and look at the glass half full instead of the glass half empty. And one of the issues. That people now are addicted to the likes even on social media. So what they're doing is just posting to get like an access by versus it's great tool if they. started posting videos early on although I own several companies, working media and digital. However, I was reluctant to do that because I was always worried what people say you know what if I'm good enough I'm not like one of these you know influences that I have but then when I started posting I felt so fulfilled I forget it's not about the likes and I love what you said. If you look for the likes, then you'll be affected by dyslexia. But if you if you ignore both, then just do because you love doing it and when I started doing that. Beautiful because I'm I'm expressing myself, I'm sharing whatever I have and I'm happy that people are benefit from it. So it's Unknown truths, right. So for example, right now, Dj Ango Stewart said Gary You need some sleep. The truth is I m eastern Newish European routes and we get bags under is I have no skincare routine and and my parents both went thirties. So that's why look like this. Meanwhile, the truth is for the last seven months because Kobe I've never slept more my life I'm sleeping ten hours a day so like like that's that people jump to conclusions to observations with no context with no understanding with no reality so for me I'm not worried about judgment because I know that Dj said that in they are. Coming from a nice place he cares I don't think he's trying to hurt my feelings. But I also know that nobody knows the truth. And they're making judgments, Basan hot takes observation or by the way bad lighting you know. Me I spent like I'm not jumping to conclusions. I spend my time guessing on. What's the actual truths and I used by gift of being a good communicator? To spread that aggressively far and wide, and and I'm going to be very happy when I'm ninety years old with the body of work. If I mean I think the other point that always creates frustration or at least anxieties is expectations. So one of the things I've done here is like I'm not station you know whether it gets likes whether I get the numbers really interest. I'm joined the join US under joining me is to post a video at the beginning I was very systematic. I wanted every other day but then I thought, why am I doing the just putting extra pressure? On myself. So the thinking today's like whenever I get inspired, I got speaking of do a video i. if I'm not fine, there's no expectation and I think the part of expectation we tend to be harsh ourselves and those with those expectations. So instead of helping us better, we sort of put pressure on ourselves I couldn't agree more. One of my one of my most important variables is on my greatest gift is my inability to over judge myself. After. That I wanted to. If a today, I don't good like I am very comfortable mice I have no short term. Monetary or numerical goals I live in my process, my processes predicated on half. I talk about what I want you know and and that's what I do. It's beautiful and that's what makes you. My next question is like you're a brand when when I started my agency people were criticized like you should not overshadow the ages. It's the brand you're not the brand and to be honest I believe that a while I tried to push the brand of the company however I see the other way around you are the brand and you've got the new media got several other businesses. But how do you build your own bland I? Mean what does it need to build a brand? How'd you build the brand? How do you become a brandon? I mean people think brands. Products as companies as merchants. Not As people why you ought about the words you say. You see the. Gabi. So how do we do that? How do we become run I? Think it's consistency of what you put out an honesty when we used the word brand with people, it's just the current slang term we use for reputation. We'd manifested in the conversation to this term brand and a lot of people. As you know this, they look down at the term personal brand it comes across maybe low brow food. To me, it just means reputation. You know how do you build a reputation ratchet? Action through consistency grew through big. Fan, yeah, it's one hundred. And you know this because you were around when I kind of emerged. There was a lot of people like cursing is not allowed. You shouldn't do that or you know I never wore suits or all these things that are now normal today I was criticized and told from kind place. Hey, this is not gonNA work. You're not going to succeed in the big business world by cursing or being aggressive or saying bad things about platforms and I said. Look I don't know any different I'm okay with that. If I, leave money on the table if I leave success on the table, I'm good with that because I'm not a good enough actor I can only be me I'm only comfortable I don't WanNa think about what did I say last time and I also desperately understood ten years ago that everything was going to be owned. and. We were all gonna live on the record and I wanted to be historically correct more than I wanted to be conforming. For short-term monetary gains through. Attracted the attention you speak the lounge today I mean you go on any street I mean it's just that's the language between every fucking. There's another fuck you know so. Again people tend to do frameworks and I think the frameworks keep us in sort of in the comfort zone. However, most of those who made it, yourself included declan all the the other entrepreneurs decided to leave portering Gabala start my own age everybody's are you crazy you leaping genius a an independent I. Compete with all the multinationals but I think it's leaving that comfort zone is what made it soap? Literally the conference on the only way to make it I mean do you have to be around you have to I? Mean I know. Your Comfort Zone because I think you have to all those who made it. I went against the tide. Against North. People today want to stay in the comfort zone. It's what I know. It's what I like. Maybe they're happy judging happens. But if you WANNA make it big, I think tax got to go against the norm because that's what nobody went sort of. If. You're talking about building a business for yourself for me. If you want like making big comes in all shapes and sizes, you know for me, my mother made it big her greatest. My mother lost her mother at five. And at her greatest goal was to be a great mother. And she did. And she did it in a real real way you know and She made it back and so for me. You know that's not going to get the attention of millions of people. But but I definitely know it to be true she. Failed Her big. In. The same way that I wanna be so big that I I have a different big I wanna make such an impact on the world through the Lens of entrepreneurship that. That little fucking statues and I want my birthday to be a national holiday like I'm going at all I want all. Three billion people on Earth to know who I am and be. Aware of me and and take what is good for them or leave and not be interested. That's my big very different than I am but but I know her so intimately well. So. Yes. I, think the way you're asking the questions very clear if you want to. Financially and fulfilment. Wise go big. There's two ways one way you so understand the proctor and gamble systems of the world that you ascend to being the CEO you understand a cold. Like it it's fun for you. You were a good student. You can go the other ways more me, which is that's visceral. In that environment. Way Outside of it and obviously you build your own systems, there's a lot of people that I have a thousand employees they will play in the beaner system I. Took would get fired at Bainer media but. Through. And that's and that's. This is what? They have something they want to do. They have a vision and they can't fulfill it anywhere but. Doing it themselves and I think this is this is wonderful. I know we have limited time. So one of the questions I have an honest a lot of people say it's like based where you at is opportunity. So for instance, you know in the US land of opportunity there huge opportunities at world might not be speaks all a lot of people would blame it on if I was like in the US or if I was like you and Sal Europe, I was like I don't know who subway. Do you think at all I mean realistic speaking is a place makes a difference or it's just an excuse people say for. Doing what they're capable of. I think a place can and does make a difference rules are different. Harder it's harder to be a purebred entrepreneur in Russia because Putin doesn't allow it the same way then America allows by allows you know every place is different. I do think the Internet is an incredible equalizer and has changed the game. And I also think that you don't like it luckily in most parts of the world you're able to lead. And able to go to the place where you want to go. So you know I I believe that the world is one hundred percent how you see it. And I agree with the way you're asking a question that people are creating excuses for non action. There's a lot of people that like to come up with excuses to why not and I always remind them if anybody that looks like you made it. Well then you got a product if you're if you're in a small. Town in Kuwait. And you're using that as an excuse if anybody in that town has ever gone to university in the UK went on to become A. You know I talked to a lot of people in very humble beginnings in the US ghettos and negative places, and there are people that have come out of those situations and of one. Or have been successful financially or professionally or happiness. So I think I. Yes I think I do think place is a factor. But I think my my mom and dad were born in the least likely place to build something for yourself and they left and started over eight shit. And so I do think people can do. Like that and I like to think of it as soil and see. So takes the soil and the had the best land. However, you can. You know if it's a good seed, an not-so-good soil in my grow as big as when when you have. So I always like to think of so if you could see by the good soil, you know then then I think. The magic kicking I think it comes down very, very, very, very, very simply to accountability. The second, you're not willing to be accountable one hundred percent for everything in your life. The second, you're not willing to blame yourself for everything that is going wrong. Incredibly vulnerable and so for me. I don't like what I do bad things. I don't like when I do things that don't work but I'm not confused I'm not looking around to decide I'm gonNA blame my parents. I'm going to believe my government I'M GONNA blame. The circumstance I think my accountability Lens is my biggest variable. My last question would be. How do you keep on going I mean one of the things I face this also coming from me. I get excited and go for a while, but then you reach sometimes like. I'm tired I'm exhausted and you start getting doubts. How'd you keep them going every day especially like you always lied you're always on conferences writing I mean if it's somebody like me who disappeared for a couple of days and then come back I, would you know that's that's excuse me which. I just I disappear too. I just I just You know if you look at my contract for two thousand eleven to two thousand fourteen, there's very little of it because I was building Bainer and then me the dodgers able to build eam that makes me more omnipresent but I'm not always thought me most of my content right now on my instrument, for example. It is prerecorded from two thousand, seventeen, two, thousand, eighteen things that nature I'm on when on I don't judge myself when I feel like I want to be off and then. Austin, on often because I'm grateful gratitude is my fuel. I'm grateful that I even have a chance to be odd and I think once you become grateful for even the ability to maybe be on everything changes. Yeah I think that's because a lot of people with the either. Either doubting themselves or they start listening to the people around him on sometimes you know. When you get criticism it's one or two just makes you. Okay. I am I really doing my. My I apologize I run to this by meaning but my number one thing. Is the inability to hear anybody else. Pro and CON my friend. By not hearing everybody's saying I'm a genius I'm able to stay humble by not hearing that I suck I'm able to stay self love it, and in those two variables, the contradiction of deep confidence and self love and humility at all costs. I believe. Is A bridge of incredible strength that is. Trusting Yourself. Believe in yourself and keep going Gary thanks a lot I. Know you're busy. You got to go. Thanks for giving us this half an hour. It was really a pleasure. Hope to see you soon and hope to see and Sally. So it's A back we'll get. That's thank you. Bye. All right over please leave a review and subscribe up on Apple would be a lot a lot a lot a lot to me. Thank you very much. Thanks Gary. Today's highlighted review is influential by Panini Pete. 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Saturday 31 August

Monocle 24: Midori House

30:33 min | 1 year ago

Saturday 31 August

"This is monaco's house view coming up today. A compare and contrast of political kale's possessing both the united kingdom and italy italy italy still do better political chaos than anyone else and is it just because they've had more practice also ahead talk of a prisoner swap between russia and ukraine crane as president vladimir putin. The former prepares to meet president. Vladimir's alinsky of the latter for the first time is falling of relations really possible astle plus music with tribal bands and their fans with gangs people who live with dicks people like swayed ponce's and people like pope artists. It's something equally unforgivably. Fay american music simply didn't exist anymore for fifteen year old in britain. It's twenty five years since oasis's debut view album definitely maybe made a generation of british rock fans pick a team. I'm andrew mullah. Monaco's house views dots now welcome to monaco house view. I'm andrew miller joined first of all by monaco's culture etiquette monocle twenty four executive editor. Tom edwards woods and monocle assistant books editor milken xiaojian that we will start with italy because for much of the post world war two period italy and the united kingdom have seen polar opposites in the context of european politics italy was often perceived as an eternal chaotic tumult amid which no citizen could consume their morning espresso entirely certain that they would not be called upon the service prime minister before sundown whereas the u._k. When deigned to change at all did so stolidly slowly and sensibly sibley the joke as we go to where may be on britain wall. Both countries are presently undergoing sensational meltdowns of the politics. Italy is at least least used to it. I'm kiara first of all we will start with italy and you are appearing here as you often do as a a spokesperson for that entire country basically and try to keep it as short as reasonably can what has been going on this week. Wow okay what's been going on is that finally movement five stars dogs and p._d. So anti-establishment movement and the center left party look like they have come to an agreement to form a new coalition. Now i say this but this morning and prime minister khantay <unk> who's coming back to helm the new executive again looks i like he was going to accept the mandate and they were going to be able to come up with a solid kind of shed program but over the course of the day the latest is that move the five stars is putting forward a lot of requests that may once again for the future of this coalition into disarray so a few weeks six after the crisis first began when the far right party lega cold essentially for early elections and after we thought that we had come to a proper new government it may be all up in arrogant so shouldn't they at least put the coalition together before they start disassembling at this. This seem somewhat. <hes> don't even know what the word is on behalf of five-star. You'd think that but we're quite used to you ton. Uh-huh is is is a u-turn or just basically doing an eternal hundred eighty degree handbrake turn round and round in circles pretty much in a little field list. They are very secure in steady caused by the way what i'm trying to say it's not and the moving five stars may may well be doing this as a bit of a kind of negotiation measured. They feel like they've got the power of dementia obviously been able to get away with putting kante ahead of executive again <hes> and they're trying to constantly pulling and pulling and trying to get more ownership of this government over the their historic foes the p._d. So perhaps it's just a bluff tom to bring you in. If if we could move adroitly from the image of a feet five hundred doing eternal doughnuts what's on the forecourt of the italian wherever this metaphor is going and think instead of the the british rolls royce parked by the side loyd of the highway to brexit with steam coming out of its bonn and its wheels fallen off in apologies to rolls royce extremely sensitive about allegories of this kind joined. Is it weird being british at the moment well absolutely i think one of the funny things and karen i have joked about this in the past few weeks. Is that this so idea of <hes> u-turns donuts. Call them what you want. <hes> we associate with the sort of more fragmented dynamic false moving fast changing world of italian post. I will politics description of italian post-war politics dynamic like the practice seeing exactly the same thing here as you say that a british parliamentary rolls royce is definitely up on bricks. <hes> people are still playing fussiness with the truth with what they tell the public but there's still more moved we've biparti politics <hes> ideology personal political expediency so they think and this is on the right and left in this country but it's a race to the bottom and at least encourages me slightly about what kerr has been saying is that it looks like it's maybe won't end up with a super right wing government. What could have been the most right wing government. They've had since the war but we still end up with one if a general election plays out with <hes> in certain ways. Should we have one before the thirty first of october. <hes> we have the most right wing administration we've ever had in his country's entire parliamentary history and i just don't think we're privately prepared for that. Purely on domestic level and that's before we even get into what happens next on the european stage jared you get the sense that british people because they are so used to living in a system which is usually elite fairly sensibly and placidly organized things work pretty much as they're supposed to get the sense that a lot of british people haven't quite yet realized voiced how very very weird all this getting completely but one thing that i do think civilians have in terms of edge and being able to get to to dealing with these situations it's not we are also where the fact that these ups and downs in politics <hes> cyclical and that almost nothing is era irreparable and we've seen you know bill kony's days and we've seen salvini days and now we're seeing this new coalition. It feels like everything comes and everything goes and decay llosa's this is continuous but the extremes eventually swing back so if there is one thing that we can learn from the italian experiences that pops there is hope in the future well much to agree that what worries me is that the experience in this country is the opposite you know the entire postwar political period period has been dominated by essentially the push for a consensual ideology and i know that's drifted of late. This is happening. We're seeing this race to the extremes james. We're seeing huge jeopardy ahead but the public aren't doing anything. This is the one thing i can't understand. If you look i dunno sheila joan movement in france. People were tearing the place two pieces. No one's done anything we had a mealy mouthed but the protest is commandeered by i other even more bunkers people in the modules sitting back and watching it happens liaison no not itself just an expression of local political moore's and culture. I mean the the french do tend to react like that. If someone changes been note well yeah but i think this is what we need. A little bit of an i just feel like because is the state so much higher. It does feel unprecedented. I can't look back even to industrial upheaval of the seventies and three week and it was kind of thing. Look angry people go. Oh yeah people really took to the streets. It was volume encouraging violence on the streets but i just don't understand why they're such passivity from an. I'm including myself why why not why am i sat here with you. Andrew running around outside downing street with a sandwich board shouting. No can bring you in at this point is the weirdness of this the the lot of the british public those that have not followed. Tom's lee didn't take a nap pitchfork out of the shannon reported judy in ytl that that british people are still thinking in that way that it's all psychological that you know one side gets their turn in the other side gets his and that's fair enough. That's fine because the thing about brexit if it happens. This is not cycle. There is not a way back from this at least not for probably about another twenty years at which time we get to the inevitable and somewhat alte musik pumps line of all this which is britain begging to rejoin the e._u. and being forced to accept both the euro and shannon <hes> as a consequence. I think the issues that the threat it is still very much sort of metaphysical and on the horizon. No nothing physically tangible has happened. They will make you go. Oh my lord. My life is drastically changes have to get on the streets in protest. The general public is still following this very in congress sort of tortures legal battle political battle. It's hard to keep track. It's hard to say specifically what it is the angry about to then get yourself onto the streets. That's my thinking <hes> an ultra. No one knows what will happen with. Brexit exit will know that it'll be bad but no one can say. We must stop exactly this happening to our lives. We must get into the streets. It's hard to sort of motivate yourself to get out there just as a final thought on this subject before we move on cure. I was wondering if speaking as an italian as of course you do if there was any advice you you could pass on to our listeners about how to cope with living amid a political system. That was <hes> disintegrating. Yeah i mean i think not to go back to tom's point but there's definitely more of a <hes> <hes> tradition of kind of social upheaval in italy definitely i've encountered here in the u._k. And another thing that is very strong and it's only a little thing. Maybe i'm saying it because i'm the culture editor so i like to look at kind of cultural output but we are really strong at sutter and satire is not a thing that we see enough of here in the u._k. We just need to do more lambasting more impugning and to bring more people into <hes> the kind of pop culture debate and maybe the pub culture political debate debate and maybe they will feel that takes to the streets because this debate about brexit is so dry an an impossible to get yourself into somebody needs to break it down for people to understand and to feel engaged about i suspect the next couple of months ago to serve up with service with bounties <hes> role material for satire <hes> with that happy thought in mind we will move on slightly and look at russia now. The notion of prisoner swaps is involving russia tends to evoke cold war imagery of men in trench coats emerging from mercedes benzes and moskviches on respective sides of a fog shrouded checkpoint before barricades are anxiously raised in the freed spooks or return to their handlers but we might shortly be treated to a more contemporary variant ukraine and russia are reported to have been reported or maybe actually negotiating an exchange of prisoners taken by both countries do during russia's occupation of portions of ukraine this includes include the twenty four ukrainian sailors seized by russia in november last year malcolm. This is a fast moving story and a somewhat opaque opaque one. Do we actually know for sure if anybody is being free or anybody's talking about freeing anybody well. Here's a great thing. There are so many different reports so i did anything he's probably going to be right. It's all lies excellent ukraine's prosecutor general poster on facebook saying that the swap has happened then the president said that there's a lot of information and people shouldn't believe what the hearing then. There's always nice to hear from a head of state exactly then they said no. It hasn't in happened then. Someone said it has happened. There was lists of names revealed then. They said well actually the person. That's supposed to be released today still in the arctic so we it's definitely not happening happening today. Vladimir's alinsky ukrainian president said it's naugatuck today. The process is still ongoing. You'll probably be over the weekend but can i just preface with the fact that it probably nobody will happen and it's good news so at the beginning of the week those compensation that's thirty odd for thirty odd prisons will be released prisoners of conscience and some military prisoners <hes> and then someone said it's happening then it's back on the table and then suddenly they just went in with the v._i._p.'s they released the head of re novus and ukraine <hes> cure vishnevsky russians gave you came out on wednesday and he's in ukraine now and then alexander of the crimean filmmaker he went on one hundred forty something day hunger strike mike off being sentenced to twenty years arctic was moved to moscow again. There are contradictory reports but it's most likely his mosca and the ukrainian sailors were arrested off the coast of crimea in. I believe it was november. Two thousand eighteen they are also on the list and likely to release says all good news but there's just a lot of misinformation information out there. It is all good news and even if it's unclear quite how good it is but if we look at that good news more broadly the fact that russia russia and ukraine are talking to each other and working together towards a mutually beneficial end how wildly optimistic it is a wise to get about that well. I mean russia's not against tehran be like oh brother where they we've changed. Our mind leads. Take crimea back. Sorry for the misunderstanding exactly yeah. I mean they. They still don't get along and it's very difficult on the sun where the sort of unmoved mover is who initiated listen type process vladimir lenin has taken initiative and has made it as sort of like a milestone of his first <hes> you know a few months in office to make this happen and i imagine that it will then pave the way for some sort of discussions about ending skirmishes in eastern ukraine which is still ongoing and ill encourage other members of the international community to get involved evolved immediate so it'll it'll spark the potential for something but it absolutely one resolve all the issues between russia and ukraine kiara. It is clearly your day. Hey for providing london council to the citizens and indeed it's about to be presidents have other nations. It's just that as an italian you you do have a certain amount of experience of being governed by comedians <hes> some professional some accidental. <hes> ukraine is of course itself now in that position it has recently elected did an actual t._v. Comedian indeed satirist vladimir's alinsky president one one could argue that britain's done more or less the same but zielinski will shortly be meeting invited me putin for the first time not a man renowned for an expansive sense of humor. What does he need to do zilenski especially around that meeting to establish himself as an actually serious head of an actually serious country well. It's interesting. If you guerrillas example a guerrilla was i've never actually fronting in kind of official terms the movement he was always acting behind the scenes which is pro possibly and probably the reason why he's been able to maintain some degree of satirist persona because of all the people who were fronting removing five stars that has been founded by a comedian none this funny with all due respect to deny may be funny unwittingly so i think you must necessarily drop a little bit of that persona when you encounter office and moving i stars has really normalized itself when you think about bella scar neither he he wasn't a comedian but he brought so much of that undercutting kind of quite cross humid a lot of international national meetings and it never really did him any favours at anything. Tom is it possible that vladimir putin perceives this as an opportune moment to impersonate impersonate the good cop however briefly well yeah. I think that's quite a few narratives. It was interesting this week that you had the start of starts the week try. Donald trump suggested russia. Should we should be back to the g eight and integrate putin again and that was met with a stony silence or or outright cries of displeasure from from the other stakeholders coders <hes> i we've always about boots and he's a pretty canny political operator his genuinely excellent political opportunist notwithstanding that bo i kind of agree with what mel concept i think any doyle august positive this immeasurable gain here. If we go back to the you know the prisoner swap. I think it's it seems is to be expedient to be welcomed. We stuff we've been talking about earlier heart's risk of not having proper dialogue not getting around the table and doing things properly even if everyone when he's playing the long game if short term benefits why not enjoy them <hes> just want to go back very briefly on this before we take a short break milkin to where we came in in which is the bulk of the ukrainian prisoners at the heart of this the twenty four sailors as you pointed out. They were seized in november last year we because the world has gone mad and i've lost all sense of time. I felt like that was something that happened. A few weeks ago how we it is it that russia just lift twenty four ukrainian sailors their ships nearly a year ago and just hasn't given them back well not as weight is season crime in reminding. You do make a fair point. It is very strange but but again nothing is beyond russia and i think they simply kept these prisoners on the rap so well that haven't forgot about them and <hes>. I don't think the international community will make a big sort of offloading being released <hes> they will be more concerned with the v._i._p. Prisoner of conscience prisoners. He'll released alongside them okay. You're listening to monaco's the house view. We're going to take a short break now. In a moment a reminiscence of the britpop walls yeah <music>. This is monica's house view. I'm andrew muller. It is twenty five years ago that oasis released definitely maybe an album about about which the best and the worst thing was that it sounded like it had been recorded twenty five years before that it became the fastest selling debut album in british history and rocketed rocketed oasis to superstardom at the start of nineteen ninety four. They were the kind of band that blase music journalist ignored when they were playing in the room next door at the water. Rats in kings is cross and i wonder why my memoir didn't sell by the end of the same year. Oasis were headlining arenas around the world on route. Two stadiums here is more from monocle senior editor rob bound twenty five five years ago this week released definitely may be an album. That's being described as seminal and visceral more times than bad boy band leading brothers nolan liam gallagher. I use the f. word in interviews or smoked back then anyway packs benson and hedges two-day. It's gonna be the day that the gun throw it back to you. You should've somehow realize debut became the fastest selling album until two thousand and six sparked into life just by three great singles genuine rock and roll attitude and a campaign of belligerent banned baiting and interviews no competition competition anymore with a british blur not make them five years. Getting one right took full control monks yet. I bought definitely maybe sometime that month and there's a nice boy from sussex school in leafy. Sorry mad bad dangerous to know. Kenyan oasis were thrilled like nothing else. Equally intimidating and enthralling music music was tribal bands and fans with gangs people the light blue with dicks people that like swayed ponce's and people pope were artists or something equally unforgiving have a buffet american music simply didn't exist anymore for fifteen year old in britain the forty one year old writing this is not as ashamed if that dumb partisanship as you might think music meant more because we had to buy it colors were nailed tomasz else sleeve notes poured over lyrics inflections hairstyles walks practiced in mirrors. We used to swagger around the sixteenth century quarter school flicking v-signs signs of each other for god's sake actually that is embarrassing but the point stands and i miss this we like a bit of taylor swift and storms in the weekend but what do we love and how to shut it. Tribalism -'s awful right right but i miss the monaco. I'm robert mound and here now is raw bound who joins me and tom would care and milken have been compelled to leave on the grounds sounds that i don't think either of them were born when comment so who's interested in what they have to say about it <hes> and and before anybody writes in yes we do know that we have illustrated a piece about definitely maybe with two tracks there from its follow up album. What's the story morning. Glory never never the less <hes> definitely maybe twenty five years wow and yes i was that journalists who ignored them from the room next to you but it would be of course remiss of me and not least because i have several boxes worth of at home that memoir of the period called. It's too late to die. Young now. Thank you very much is is is there's. There's still a few left remained. It's still a few quite a few in fact <hes> i referring back to. I lost about twenty four ukrainian sailors on the music that does sound like an apocryphal story about mark coleman anyway eh family program about success we successfully maintaining a certain tone before turned up here eh to bring us back to the subject theoretically at hand which is the way that definitely may be and oasis pro polarized and tribalize a ah music in the mid ninety s and did they was sense because i was at the time working for amusement magazine. The late lamented melody maker which was it wasn't much own the front line of the brick walls it was. I think we're a key battlefield. You were indeed you'll you'll kind of kitchener. Maybe you're hitler. Hitler was <hes> was stay sutherland and he just finished brett anderson the founder of swayed <hes> who are kind of the pre britpop band in his second in his memoir he talks about how the press this sort of media pressure on him and didn't consider his band is probably public swept up in it and the battles thereof they they were the unwitting and unwilling sent yeah forerunners and he says state your your esteemed editor sister waugh's ause. He said that he writes some editorial before they even had a single out saying you band in the world or something we put them on the cover yeah on the strength of demo tape of my contribution to that was and i apologize dissuade for effect on the subsequent lives. This may have had we were going to put them on the cover. The original headline on the cover was the best new band in britain question question mark at which point i wanted pass the production desk and thought look seriously if we're gonna do the big and there is also that all joke about how the answer to any newspaper headline ends in a question mark is no so i just said look if we're gonna say it say it so my contribution to that infamous front cover was removing the question yeah yeah that's why when you flick through the end index of anderson's memo miller andrew death threat the the other the other thing i did that bedeviled swayed was i interviewed them for melody maker before i was about to leave the united kingdom for what i thought was going to be an extremely protracted period and <hes> matt osmond their bass player made the unwise remarked that god i could put anything in this story and they have no way of oh catching up with me so i mentioned in the pace because i interviewed them at the house they were both sharing at the time and i did mention that they shared this house with a baby goat named kevin and when i bumped into matt several months later he sort of belabored me about the european promo to what they've done just after that everyone else everyone else question felt the goat ed stuff named after a manic street pizza some so britain potboilers nj. Which tribe were you were you. Were you a dick or a punt or castle irish poems. I loved isis as well and it's very difficult. It's one of those things we you can't support to teams from the same city who even a team in the same two teams in the same league sued cannot be called me from that i single maybe that maybe that first edition of if <hes> that i cover the melody maker <hes> and that's a fantastic debut record but i remember by the energy coming off a racist and that debut album was incredible. It's fantastic singles. The attitudes swagger <hes> was a ceremony in that in that piece just played that tape. We just played. I was a fifteen year old schoolboy at boarding school in surrey. These guys seemed so unbelievable same you very much oasis oasis natural roll-call rhodia. That's very much the kind of person they hoped they were reading. Which troy were you were you wearing manchester city of a halfway house punts interesting and we've had this conversation before under you and i ran this table about the degree of fame enjoyed by people in that sort of critical periods fifties and sixties. What was this tribalism aw possible because it had its physical manifestation the station it wasn't just the close of course you can still do that with the instagram story. Whatever but there was you mentioned didn't the piece that you wrote in a minute about buying album and having the cover on this because there was these physical things could own you could buy in very limited literature you had the week he music press and you had posters ages and sleeve notes and stuff like that when you buy on tape cd or whatever it was there was there was a limited amount of stuff you couldn't real through endless photographs of the lead singer whatever on the internet or all their instagram account look how he and his brother have been fighting on twitter chat limited. You couldn't interact with them directly so they have seemed more remote and mysterious. Yeah like creatures. Yeah we should talk about the absolute key pitched battle of the brit pop wars which was the weekend that blur and doha's went up against each other for the straighten it number one spawn a both bands with arguably the worst single album ever released that was between <hes> blows. We'd bonzo dog duda ben pastiche country house and oasis status quo impression with <hes>. We have a short blast. I immersive short blasted the facts of each of them. Here is one of them back. Child sure what's your number the country house by blur and roll with bio isis rivals at one point four the number one neither of you without looking it up name constantly which of those won on the battle country has it was yeah i remember i should really some sosa great song and the best single of album just before we finish i do want to ask each of you just to pick this one album of that entire brit pop period you would recommend to impressionable younger generations. You may be listening to us as suggestions. The mid would all terrible. What would you pick if doug man style so second out which i think is fantastic. It is best if the central decade decade posters and magnificent from god. Maybe maybe modern life is rubbish by blur because it has a nice locomotive on the front of their <hes> skits. That's my air. You'll pick but my pick is the niece choice as the unwitting unwilling harbinger of the whole thing new wave by the orders i ah on that subject i do recommend to anybody wishing to read a reminiscence of that period other than my own leukotrienes book bad vibes is i. We'll grudgingly concede that does get us to the few rebound and tom edwards. Thank you both with adjoining me. Monaco's house view was produced by daniel. H s judea manages saying imp evans. The healthy returns on monday eighteen hundred london. I'm andrew miller. Thank you for listening.

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"Support for this episode of today explained comes to you from Tom's they sell shoes and also I wear and for a limited time you can get fifteen percent off plus free shipping on your first order of shoes, or I wear when you visit Tom's dot com. Slash explained. Liz, the pod, you host a segment on the podcast, the verge cast called this week in Ilan here. It's now a newsletter to is this true? Yeah, that's right. There's just so much news about Elon Musk that it can be hard to keep up. Carmaker tesla is now facing a criminal investigation over statements made by their CEO Elon Musk, musk, bombshell tweet last month about taking tesla pilot has set off an investigation. I don't for that is potential jail time as well as billions of dollars mosque under fire after taking a hit of marijuana. Mixed with tobacco use. The only game in town is his best thing that since Thomas Edison. Well, here's like a big broad question that I want to ask you before we talk about all the news does Alon musk matter. I would say yes, and I'll tell you why a lot of what he's doing does indirectly or directly affect people, even people who don't necessarily buy cars, like tesla or who aren't necessarily into rocket launches because he tends to be somebody who uses a lot of government money and government money comes from ause. All of us the taxpayers. Can you give me like some of his his sort of moonshot ideas? What are the craziest things that Elon Musk wants to do because he is a dreamer, right? This whole thing is that basically after he made his fortune from pay pal, he was like, I don't think people are dreaming big enough. And so he sort of moved into the transportation sector. So you have SpaceX which pioneered reusable rockets SpaceX is announced sending Japanese billionaire up around the moon. You have tesla, which made the electric car sexy. This is the new tesla model three, and it is the coolest car that's coming out this year. And then there's some other things that have been sort of floating around. So he released a design for something called the hyperloop, which is a very fast transit. And it's basically a train in like a vacuum tunnel. It allows you to get to very, very high speeds so that you could potentially go like seven hundred and sixty miles per hour. So it's able to move you from Los Angeles to San Francisco within city six minutes. Perhaps it's like a subway on steroids. He recently founded the boring company which is a tunnel, boring endeavor. That's meant to help with decreasing traffic in a city, notorious for traffic congestion and gridlock. Elon Musk's boring company today got the may oral nod to dig deep tunnel for a high-speed trip from downtown Chicago to O'Hare airport. And then also there's sort of the scifi company neural link, which is about brain machine interfaces basically about putting implants in your brain so that you can talk to a computer. Wow, very impressive. So this guy who spends his time dreaming about space exploration and revolutionizing transit and modifying. Our brains isn't a whole lot of shit right now because of a tweet. Yeah. I mean, look, if there's only one thing that I can get you to come away from this with it is the danger of tweeting and that the smartest thing we can all do is just never tweet. Because social media is such a huge part of this story and like so much of what has happened has happened on social media that it feels a little surreal even for Eli, musk. Oh, let's let's start with that tweet which musk says he sent while he was driving. Never good sign when you tweet while driving and it's particularly true if the thing you're tweeting about is the largest buyout in corporate history in his post must said quote, and considering taking tesla private at four hundred and twenty dollars funding secured at four twenty dollars. That's for twentieth share. When did he tweet that August, seventh. Now this is material information when you make go private offer, that's material public disclosure that you have to tell the SEC about and he just tweeted this. What made it even crazier is the fact that it appeared that he basically didn't have any money to do it, which is fine. Like if you were, I say, I'd like to buy that car, but you know, he has investors. The SEC is now involved in bothered. Discussing this with his board apparently. And then there was nothing for several hours. And then there was this blog post on tesla and my initial reaction to that tweet was like, I thought it was a, we joke like four twentieth Shera. But then it turned out based on the blog posts that this was actually to some degree serious. It was the most elaborate we joked you've ever heard. So there was just like it was just pandemonium. Shares of tesla, they're down since the Alon must tweeted that he wanted to take the company private. Some investors are pushing back on his plant, urging him to keep this company public. Just in case it's unclear. He's taking this company private. It's a publicly traded company. It was before that, obviously, private. What does that really mean? A private company isn't traded on public stock exchanges, and that's a really, really good way being traded on a public stock exchange to raise capital if you need it. And that's why tesla went public about ten years ago was was to get a capital infusion, but there are regulations about how a company that is treated like that can behave and how much they have to disclose. So for instance, every publicly traded company discloses its financials every quarter that's required there. Again, I mentioned certain forms that the company has to file with the SEC whenever it makes a public statement, basically just to try to prevent insider trading. How does he law on musk react to the sort of chaos that ensues after he's ends its tweet. This is again going to be a cautionary tale about social media according to Zia banks, who for those of you who do not know is a musician who sort of shot to fame with the song to onto several years ago. I can be the answer advance when to be above. And when you get to him the net this pampa in the shoes, actually staying Elon Musk's house because she was planning to record a song. With Musk's girlfriend who's also musician named Grimes. And so Zilly a bank's. She made a number of accusations about mosque about what was going on. What was she saying about you almost get the time she alleged drug use was involved when he had been tweeting. So that was that was pretty explosive. And shortly after that, the New York Times, does this interview with him where they mentioned that the board is concerned by Musk's use of Ambien and possibly other recreational drugs, and she was actually confirmed to be at Musk's house like that was something that that reporters did nail down. So salia banks says that, you know, musk is on acid. We don't really know if that's true or not. The company's sort of trying to figure out where exactly it stands. What happens next test, the puts up a post on their website, and I remember this it was. It was a Friday night. I had just finished eating dinner and they're like actually were were not going private. You know, we talked. Over, we wanna keep our shareholders involved. And there doesn't seem to be a way to structure that in additional. You know, our institutional shareholders can't necessarily participate in a private company. So we're abandoning the whole thing. How do people react to that? God, I'll hell breaks loose again. One of the things about being publicly traded company is people can bet on your company, right? So if I buy a share of tesla, I'm betting that the company is going to succeed in that my share is going to be worth more money. You know, at some point in the future. But one of the things about public markets is that you can also bet a company is going to fail or going to suffer a setback, and you do that via shorting. And if I do this right, if the the, the price of the share has decreased, I can potentially make a lot of money, right? And the short sellers are essentially betting against tesla, and it's something that you on musk has really heated. He's been on this campaign all this year about short burn, and you know, shortsellers had better had better stop roles. You know they're going to really regret it, but sounds like an empty threat, right? Like the distract really. And so that does raise some questions in some people's minds about what the motivation for that go. Private tweet was. Does he on musk face any consequences for sort of playing with investors psyches like this sort of on a whim? The first thing that happened was that he was immediately hit with a wave of shareholder lawsuits. There were a bunch of people who basically were like, this is market manipulation. I'm suing you for securities fraud and to be clear like any kind of legal action that's expensive, but then. The next thing that happened was the security and Exchange Commission opened an investigation, and there's sort of some questions about what specifically is being investigated and what the details are. But there are a number of questions about whether that tweet was actually a legal thing for him to have done. And now this week, the department of Justice is looking into that tweet to. Yeah, that's actually significant with a statement from a spokesperson for tesla. Tesla received a voluntary requests for documents from the DOJ. We have not received a subpoena a request for testimony or any other formal process. We respect the DOJ's desire to get information about this. The DOJ pursues criminal cases and the SEC pursue civil cases. A criminal investigation is pretty serious. And so that's the sort of thing that makes investors nervous. Like right after Bloomberg reported on the criminal investigation tesla shares dropped about seven percent. They did recover before the end of the day were only down three percent, but still that gives you a sense of the worry that people are feeling. So what's at stake for you on musk and even tesla them Tesla's not making money right now. The the company has never posted an annual profit. It's ten billion with a b. dollars in debt and billion. That's a lot of debt, especially if you aren't making money and that's troublesome and scary and like potentially can destroy. Tracked from the main mission of trying to put out cars. But the other piece of this is that this this company is really tied up in Elon Musk's personality, like people really believe in Elon Musk, they find him very inspiring figure it will call you the real Tony stark. You've got your finger in so many different Vance technologies. As I said, SpaceX tesla. Now you've got solar city and the solar pack that people put on their house. Are you sincerely trying to save the world. Well, I'm trying to do good things. Yeah, they love that. He is like dreaming big about what the future of transportation could look like. And to some degree, they have a right to to do that. Because again, like tesla revolutionized electric cars. They were like boxy. They were clunky. People didn't want them and Tesla's first car the roadster when it came out like it was a car for car people and it was electric. So that totally changed the game in terms of the electric car marketplace, right? Like that's why we have all of these electric cars entering the marketplace now, and now all the rappers I listened to, they rap about Tesla's instead of Mercedes Benzes. Yes. Feel plaza a more fucking, put up an attempt. Color, Satan. McClair tesla used to talk about pocket next. Tessema black Desta tesla. Was. Right? I mean, like it's, you know, it's really a status symbol, and it's like all of that is tied up in the idea that you Lon mouse because visionary and somebody who can really move us to the future. And so you know if he is implicated in some kind of fraud that potentially really tarnishes his image and Tesla's image, do you think that all of the controversy and now these federal investigations that have ensued since he sent this dump tweet just a bit over a month ago is the reason he wanted to take the company private in the first place? Well, so here's the thing. He's never liked publicly traded companies. If you read actually Vance's biography, which is really great if you wanna get a sense of like this guy and his history actually Vance rights for must going public represented something of a false chin bargain. Because even though an initial public offering like tesla had can raise a substantial amount of money, it comes at a cost, right? You have to do these disclosures. You have to basically open your books. You open yourself to the possibility of being shorted. There's just a lot more. Scrutiny on you and potential pitfalls that can come with a publicly traded company. And musk was very clear about that like years before this tweet. So why was tesla publicly traded company to begin with? I don't think they had a choice. Two thousand eight was that was a really, really rough year for the company. They were on the verge of bankruptcy. They just barely got saved. Basically, he got forced into going public in order to make the company continue. And I think he's regretted it ever since. Can Elon Musk save himself from Elon Musk. That's next on today explained. Neon. Sexual Kate out to England, must must must must was was was, was was okay. I'm here in the studio with all of the shoes that Tom sent us that we've been talking about all week laid out on the table. Tom's makes all kinds of shoes, high tops, low tops. They got this two panga Kenyon collection that's thrown back to California in the sixties and seventies, and they've got vegan shoes, don't eat them. They're just not made with animal products anyway. 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Globe last seen investigates the largest unsolved art heist in history. The theft of thirteen pieces, half a billion dollars worth of art from the Isabel. Stewart Gardner museum in Boston. Is weird is you on must come from? Well, he was born and raised in South Africa. He moved to Canada, and then he came to the US for college, and he's been here ever since he did make his his fortune through two companies in the nineties zip to which is not necessarily well known, but was originally meant to help newspapers, put their content online and then pay pal which people do now pretty well. And that pay pal really is where he made his fortune. And does he become like a Steve Jobs type figure after pay pal, or is he still more of like a behind the scenes type of guy. He's in the mix and people in the tech industry know who he is, but he's not like the kind of celebrity figure. He eventually becomes. There's this anecdote that he he keeps returning to, which is that he nearly died from malaria in the early two, thousands, and that re framed his entire life for him and change the problems that he wanted to work on. And so it's after this, you see him starting SpaceX. You see him becoming involved with tesla. There's some controversy about whether or not he counts as a founder, but you see him starting. You see the beginnings of of the sort of celebrity entrepreneur. He becomes ladies and gentlemen on behalf of all of my colleagues here at Tuzla. It is my honor to welcome to the stage Mr. Yulon month. And so what's the initial promise of Kessler? Well, the idea was essentially that you know, gas cars are ruining the environment exist. Why? Why are we making cars as because it's very important to celebrate transition to sustainable transport, really, really big automakers weren't pursuing electric vehicles because it was, you know, against their interests basically. So this was kind of like a standard Silicon Valley disruption in some ways where it was like, okay, we're gonna make a really, really great car. We're going to re imagine what a car can be. We're going to have it run on electric city because we think that will pollute less and we're going to just change the entire auto industry and how does he fund this thing? Can a billionaire just start a car company. Is it that easy? Well, all of his companies have substantial amount of capital from him, but he's also been very good at looping in other investors. And then on top of that. That one of the things that he's shown himself to be really good at is taking advantage of financial incentives offered by the government and working with government programs select for electric cars. For instance, there's a tax credit until you get to a certain number of cars produced that allows consumers to pay less for the cars. They basically get paid back by the US government if they buy an electric car because they're saving the planet. Right? Exactly. So he's been very good. Like finding these kinds of incentives and operating on them in such a way to keep his costs down and to make his products look more appealing. Like if you look at SpaceX like its biggest client is NASA and NASA is obviously a public endeavor. Right? And this week he announced he's sending a Japanese billionaire to the moon with SpaceX and Tesla's have become this status symbol for all the Ritchie's out there. I think his motivation was essentially to start with it as a status symbol, and then make an electric car for the masses, which is what the model three was supposed to be the. Tesla model. Three isn't just a new electric car. It's the culmination of over a decade of careful strategic planning to achieve Elon Musk's gold and the the low end model. Three is about thirty five thousand dollars, and that's not being sold yet. But the idea was that like, okay, we'll start with the wealthy people because we can make more money off of them, and that will let us expand to the masses. And I, I, I want to say that this is kind of not that unusual in the tech industry because like remember when the iphone launched and it was so expensive and like people were standing in line and it was a status symbol. People were stealing them from each other on the street, right. And like now you look around and like iphones have like what, like half the market. So it was probably a some kind of notion that he could do that with cars as well. That motivated this idea of the high end luxury product. Look, sexy makes people want it allows you to lake, you know, finance the company a little bit, and then you can make a mass market vehicle. So when when our liveries. Their next year. I do feel fairly confident that it will be next year. So the model three has experienced a number of production delays like he wanted to totally automate production and it turned out that wasn't possible. There's been a lot of reporting about accidents on these Sembler lines. There's been some skepticism about whether he can actually meet these very aggressive production targets he has. So the model three is actually filled with question marks, well, how's that making the company look right now to its public investors or to anyone. Here's the thing you on must because really, really strong fan base like the kind that you would see with like beyond say. And I know this because every time I read about him, the Email me. The thing that's been interesting over the course of the last I would say years. So is that for a long time if I wrote anything about Elon Musk that was perceived to be negative, I would just get flooded. And now if I write anything about Ilan musk, that's perceived to be positive. I also get flooded. There's like these two very strong camps of Elon Musk is a dreamer and visionary who's going to revolutionize society, and then you know, Elon Musk is this jerk and we don't like him and we think he's a bad CEO and it's really sort of difficult to get these two groups of people to talk to each other. But what I will say is that tesla shares have fallen this year fairly significantly. So that looks like some loss of confidence. And you know, there's been more and more bad press around tesla in terms of working conditions and in terms of their financials, right? Like the model three, the mass market car was the thing that was meant to get them to profitability. And as all of these production delays have piled up, people are like, well, maybe they're not. Maybe that's not it. Maybe they're not going to get to profitability on the model three. And let's remember their ten billion dollars in debt. And on top of all this, you've got you on stirring up all sorts of shit online ES. So he's been like tweeting angrily at shorts. He's been tweeting angrily at journalists. He's been tweeting angrily at a lot of people, and he called the cave diver who's trying to save some kids in Thailand. A pedophile. Oh God. Yeah, the cave divers now, soothing for defamation. I mean, it seems like he might be sort of losing it a bit. Oh, this is what's interesting to me because. I'm not sure that he actually is like Owen Thomas yesterday in the San Francisco Chronicle who's been covering most for quite some time. It was like, you know, musk has always been like this. This is what he's like, and that sort of lines up with what I've seen is well, like he's gotten choked up at shareholder meetings. Maybe a little cheesy, but at at tesla, we, we bought causing with love like we really care. I think a lot of other companies, they're both by the the marketing department and the finance department, and. There's no soul, you know. So like we're not perfect, but we, we pour a heart and soul into the park. We really care. He's just you. He's guys got a lot of feelings, but there's definitely like a narrative that Elon Musk is losing it, and that narrative seems to be gaining steam. And that sort of started with the shortsellers who are like, you know, it seems like you on Busk is maybe not a very good CEO and it's just been rolling on since then. I don't want to root for this guy to lose. It feels like he's mostly trying to realize future that we were all promised as kids and that's something to root for. Let's one of the reasons why I have a hard time coming down on how I feel about Elon Musk, right? Like there's this narrative that he's a villain, and there's this narrative that he's a hero, and I don't think either of them are true. I think that there's something much more interesting going on, which is that the sky is complicated. He may be sabotaging himself basically out of ego. From accomplishing the very things that he wants to do. Listen, like, I love SpaceX. I love those rockets. I think there is really exciting to have, like, you know, this kind of focus on space. Again, like to have this moment of like people getting excited about space exploration, right? Like that's cool. And like I have a hard time objecting to electric cars. I think that's probably a great harm reduction measure for, like, you know, making the world be a little less polluted. Like, how do I feel about Elon Musk's part of my brain like burned out a couple of years ago, and I pretty much just popped myself some popcorn and I'm like, all right, buckle up. Is part of the problem that he's experiencing right now. Maybe that he just has too many big, huge dreams and he's spread thin across all of them. I think that's a really reasonable question. It does seem like a lot of projects. It really does seem like more than one person can handle. I mean, one of the things that you might remember about apple is that Steve Jobs was thrown out of the company. You know he, he was running the company into the ground and he got thrown out and he did, of course, eventually return and basically lead apple to to to new heights that the company had an imagined before, but he did have to wander in the wilderness for a while. It's it's not unusual for people who are really good at being founders to maybe be not so great at doing the operational boring day to day of of being a leader. So you're saying that someone needs to get ill on Musk's some help, and maybe just changes, Twitter password and things will normalize for the. I think that that's a very real possibility during the sort of kerfuffle around will tesla go, private. One of the questions was, is somebody going to hire a number two for him because he seems to be doing too much. And the question becomes like, who. 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 Queer Brown Vegan | Season 4 | Bonus

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Queer Brown Vegan | Season 4 | Bonus

"Does your little one loves pop patrol. What about dinosaurs? Well, perfect because the new season of possible is here and guess what it's the Dino Rescue. I personally can't wait for my kid to watch each episode ten times a nights. On the plus side, all your holiday and birthday gift shopping is pretty much done because of course, there are a whole new batch of Dino rescue toys to pop patrol Dino Rescue, kick it out. It's going to be possum. Bourne. Look at us with a bonus episode, I love a bonus don't you a Brucie? Like with benefits. And it sounds very nice that the people at Mercedes Benz of are sponsoring us for this thing why do you think that is Chris? Well, for Star Allen they know we love Swish car? I love to swaddled in luxury as I'm. Taking between office office. For. Various engagements while in lockdown. Yes. You know I think Sudi great nowadays that so many of the bay car-manufacturer I starting to listen to people who want to be more environmentally friendly and sustainable, and so what's great about this new? Mercedes car is that it's a an electric hybrid. It's still good petrol and everything, but you can actually plug it in and drive it completely on just if it up to four two, four miles a time I'm just looking at the bump here while it goes forty four months on electric then is to Petro, which means you can go as far as like listeners. We've been devouring the bump these into seven we and. Did you realize I was eating that. Tool. Can you tell? I'm reading this new mercedes-benz clock in hybrids battery can be fully charged in as little as two hours at home. You have to have a specific Wa- books installed through Mercedes benzes charging partner BP charge master get that to our charging hit. Fair enough. Yeah. I do that. It's like it's like buying again a free books for your. Free. Three yeah, and Alan like every class the plug in hybrid comes with the latest mercedes-benz technology. So this thing isn't a backwards machine it's the future. It's not crunchy. And at this thing, it's a really great way we're moving as a culture that you know it's and it's actually interesting that what what boat here from Isaiah's and he talks about it that. We people listen when when they realized that people want to buy these things the market changes and I guess that's unfortunately we've got we've got to. Talk to people in the language they understand and in this way. Mercedes Benz listened and they've made this new. Hybrid. Electric car. They have an you're brilliant because you're very good and ahead of the curve with Sustainability I, think Alan educated me on how to. Recycle batteries for example. Where are you from Scotland and we're way ahead of the curve on that absolutely and you'll told you about that time I went to the recycling center and cried, you did an judging but no, it's very important and you'll be. I'm vegan which is a huge is it makes a huge difference to know on various levels ate less meat everything would be better Vietnamese. LAKOTA be happier for one live massively cut down the amount of and all things I, my husband is now Vegan and we. Just eat me occasionally but I could do better allen, and that's kind of brings me to Y. We're speaking to our guest because quite Brown Vegan is an instagram account run by Isas Anandas and he is an environmental educator and he his instagram look him up. He's at Quiberon Vegan so good so good and it's just so simple brilliant information about how to be environmentally better more sustainability. We both are fans of him. So we wanted to wanting to talk to him for ages. I'd also say a lot of these lake right now especially in terms of you know also in the black lives matter and the sort of post George Floyd world we live in everyone's a little. Scared just lots of new as being banded around and environmentalism is like that to all these different. Phrases and things going on and that's what clear Brian Beacon is does really well, he kind of makes everything clear tells you have. You ever wonder what this means and he tells you what it means an a really great resource for anyone he just wants to feel more. On. The nose. Yeah and his story is great and I think the intersection of Quinn and sustainability is one I've been fascinated him for a long time she we have a listen. Let's hear them. I, say us. It's so lovely to meet you. I'm so glad to be talking to you today. Thank you so much again for having me glad Chris. I'm over the moon as you know because we we're we're super fans like the. Stock you on Instagram we found profile didn't we and I think I just loved title Queer Brown Vegan I thought it was. NEAT and I love the way you present your ideas like it's really colorful and beautifully made I. Think it's a really good thing you're doing that you're. Talking about. Urgent subject but making it kind of. Fascinating and interesting and alive for people not to skating because that's one of the things we've. Talked about like, how do you? Do what you're doing, which is well, what do you? What what would you say? You do tell us what you how you define yourself. I would describe yourself as a queer environmental educated that provides accessible environmental education on content for anyone interested in learning about environmentalism is as you live zero waste. What does that? What does that mean? Zero ways you know for a lot of has a broad term of. The Way to define it but zero waste and lowest to me it looks into higher able to create redesign the way that you view plastic and so understanding it from an individual impact, but also a global impact. So understanding that reducing your waste in different ways but also acknowledging the fact that the plastic crisis is a global environmental justice that is disproportionately harming black indigenous people clerked me globally and now we have countries that. That heavily exploited by colonialism are dealing with the amounts of waste that is usually delivered from countries like the UK and United States with waste where do you know what are you? What are you talking to us from? Los Angeles. Oh I thought you are and I thought you were in Queens New York, is that I recently moved back home grown up but I'll be back in New York and twenty one. Okay. So you're. So you're I in La boy and tell us your story because your upbringing really affected how you have come to this. Place as the career, Brian Vegan doesn't it growing up? My parents had immigrated an one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty s onto la from Mexico and so we grew up low income living in a way with affordable housing programs or programs that are sponsored by the government and so many of these. In, Los Angeles are known to live in communities are already low income but that are nearby toxic facilities or places that generate noise pollution in some sense in. So my aspects of environmentalism grew at a young age because of like based off survival. So it wasn't necessarily because I thought about being was about others what we have. So have to reuse it and use what I have to, and as I got older I. Started learning about environmentalism making these connections within myself saying like wise the air quality in my neighborhood this way why? What is climate change? How does that interconnect to me and so the older are realizing my own identity great being clear and then I realized the people who usually talk to me or that represented in the environmental spheres We're usually straight white men and so I ask myself like Oh. Is this this is Interesting because I don't see anyone who looks like or comes from a community, and so the ones university I realized the fact that many of the classes were dominated by, of course, white students and not to say that it was bad. But it was to say that there was a lack of diversity representation within those movements in you know having the lack of support having to deal with certain spaces in the environmental field dealing. With Homophobia in like thirty remarks being told to me I realized that that wasn't necessarily space I needed to be an and so leaving after college that's something I want to cultivate it because had I known that there was a educator growing up or had had a mentor like that it would have changed my outlook in environmentalism but instead I had to go through all those hurdles and challenges to unlearn that things that I was taught. To really get to where I'm at today. So you felt that you were being given environmentalism from a very straight white mine ankle and you're like a whole other spectrum out here is. It's interesting that. As. Well, isn't it like do how poverty and like like I remember like growing up like I went to a very smart school wherever and money, and so if you brought in your lunch in a plastic pot, for example, it was kind of considered like you poor. So, there's so much attachment to. What did they do? What did they push wants? Did they went to the school lunches or? Like, yeah, it was just buy something or you know you just go out and buy something whereas like. and. So there's a lot of like use. The is about image know like if I can afford to buy this thing that I can throw away. Of. People. See people striving for that. Almost it's funny. Do you do you think that is I think the idea of consumerism is so ingrained in all of us you know whether would be in our television show our media art magazine anything read it's all about Centrum consumers at a young age even to I remember kids like shaming. We're having thirsted close or even does the fact of like reusing resource that is now seen today as like environmentally-friendly now, which is great to see that shift but back then I, think it's because we ingrained in our own children in our own parents consumerism is a good thing. Yeah well, especially in the say, that's like the kind of the currency celebrity and. Consumers Arctic the to. What degree I'm I wanted to ask you about what was I going to say I actually got really thinking about Dolly parton quote of many cutters when you're talking to buy. The laughter I went to went to school, but she loved all. A. You know that Song Dolly. Parton great. She's she's a big environmentalist. She's everything. She's just Dolly is you know have you ever been to? Dollywood. Oh No no, I really WANNA. Allen Comedian trae I'd love to out God. Let's China and. Go to Dollywood I went there on the the New Year's Eve of the Millennium Millennia. Well it did. I did. Could you imagine with this boyfriend that was disastrous and was obsessed? I can imagine it was a low key affair. It wasn't like wasn't the rip roaring You know into the Millennium Party I was expecting. Oh. No No. This is just kind of a nice night. Blah Blah then be like we didn't actually I took in the millennium. Well I, think I was just with him I re. I remember sitting outside Hotel Awful Hotel. Lee. Dollywood sitting outside in the car listening to the audio tape of doorly reading Dadis autobiography and I was like, oh. My Life Lake this is me going into a new century and. I never like hoping that dollywood finished but so we would actually be taking in the new century in a car listening to. I know what I wanted to ask you. When you were growing up and you know to sing seeing the world in a different way like what did your family think of you being like that they supportive for those kind of people as well within my own views of like what was happening environment they agreed they always knew at a young age and that's why I never understood like things that my parents were aware of like they never let me buy plastic toys Renault even though I asked him like the ninety nine cent store like they said, no because they're like it has led and I was like, what do you mean like they are just toys and they knew and so you know at a younger age, you are angrier. Don't they just don't WanNa give me anything in this live and so now that I look back, it was like a really interesting to see that they knew about the pollution but they accepted it and as immigrants themselves like to be able to even speak up or talk about injustices in their communities, very daunting and scary especially because of the fact that many income commute low income communities that have a black and Brown immigrants are afraid to speak up because of ice and deportation, and so we've seen it happen in different communities and different environments with other issues and so. That's something that like you know the you myself was like, why take responsibility for that but also understanding too like they didn't asset me in the beginning of who I was the queer person in. So it was really hard navigating that I did as the fact that that now they didn't growing up I had to really. Understand what that meant for me and how I was going to navigate and so in the future you know now we have a better relationship in everything and so you know it was really hard because I felt alone in kind of a devastated but having my siblings there to support me during that time was also a great mentorship for me to. Does tough US get just as where did your parents Awareness of pollution and stuff come from they grew up in Mexico. My mom actually she had just finished university to a teacher and so a month later after she guided her, she moved to the United States in Zozo devastating to for her to understand everything about education since she helped. Tutor can't that were in lower income parts of Mexico, and so for her realizing the fact that there was already a lot of development happening in Mexico City during that time in the ninety s and eighty s, it's now it's become more popular is She saw the fact that effects of gentrification. She saw the effects of what was happening with these communities being pushed up. She saw the fact that when you were pushed out of these communities nearby of toxic facilities, facilities or environments that are being devastated already by a development, and so she was aware these things in. So when she moved into the United States, she understood that life would was somewhat better from. What she had, but also the fact that she instilled a lot of the educational foundation I today the her own teaching experience and my dad was a farmer and like a cop during that time and so when he moved over the United, states became a gardener and so he still a lot of the values of how to treat plans like how to view plants in different from an ecological standpoint and so it helped me build that foundation of understanding the backgrounds of Environment I. Think for me it's interesting I I should couvert being up I'm in the catskill mountains up in upstate. New York right now I lake being amongst nature literally in an four. For such a sustained period of time longer than I've ever been since I was a child I actually and it's been really amazing just how you kind of get a little more in tune with things and. By. The light and but definite. But you see other more bs now than there were a month ago. Now these alerts coming I. Know that all that stuff's judy fasting and I think I have been more conscious. Of Lake up here we have A. We have a wail and are. A septic system and all that stuff. So we're kind of you know. which is a little. More conscious about things anyway in chemicals US I'm more I don't know become more sort of I think have become more conscious of the I guess 'cause axes, well, like I'm cooking all the time I'm. Doing all the things at home that I normally wouldn't do much and so I'm seeing the amount of things and putting in the recycling and then might've packaging European when you to your money. Isn't it? Kids, that's how you're supposed to absorb it whereas we just in cities, you just get moved away from it and you don't know like. I couldn't tell you I couldn't tell you what time of year you're supposed to eat. A cauliflower. That's what that's what what do you call that? What was being macrobiotic as you eat the food that's available at the time of year because my goodness poetry to talk, she used to be a macrobiotic and she tried to tell me once. Basic. Basic thing I say as I. Did with her once. On TV thing and I took cartoon to like. Contras daily somewhere lead you know and she was talking about macrobiotic ventures they. Showed into. Fence fries and stuff like that and. 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On lower incomes would not deemed important enough to care if it didn't care if there was a rubbish dump next to them all as that changed has that changed were that hasn't changed but the repercussions of it has changed that it's not just the lower income people having to deal with climate change and off all of that waste it's inescapable los. Angeles. Now, one of the richest parts of the world is currently on fire right? So The repercussions are coming in in these? Lab. That it com- be shipped away anymore. Yeah. Yeah. I mean is interesting with California just. A disaster. Natural Disaster I used to think when you know. When I went to Elliott was kind of having some trouble with the whole of barking and Hollywood issue I was just when it was it'd be mudslides and floods and fires I. This is God's we have saying Hollywood shouldn't exist we should. We should be making these trashy films but. I think it's beyond Dunkin. So sad to see the fact that you know growing up. I think when I started noticing la chain was like in the late two thousand like early two, thousand I think like. The. Youtube. High of like all youtubers removing the LA and so he's thirteen more development projects from a lot of cities and then more natural wildfires are getting worse. I remember the one in two thousand eight was like nearby apartment. It was like a few miles down actually saw the flames that I was like actually have to evacuate like I've never seen a fire this close in my entire life and then. It went from there to happening every year now, seeing the fact of like all these natural disasters and flooding and. Oh my God that have happened it raises the question of like is California. Actually prepared for a lot of these disasters and people are saying no, like they aren't prepared. Why Not I think it's the fact that you know they have discarded a lot of ecological practices that have been for fire for Fire Ecology like eleven business communities have been advocating for certain fire practices that allow the fire and the bushes to regenerate in a healthy way. So it prevents it reduces the amount of wildfires in. So now, California Los Angeles has realized the importance of that, and so now they're investing in opportunities to look into that, but it took over like thirty forty years to. That, this was going to become a large issue. Yeah. It's funny. Isn't it? It's like I. I read the thing that you were talking about just them which is. That the. Indigenous people had said for years you've got to listen to the land you've got to do like. Systematic burning so that Prevents the fires and now forty years later they're now deciding to do it and it's like you gotta listen because unless you listened to the land that you were saying Alan about being up in the catskills Yup. Come the answer will come through eventually in just a more torrid way. Yeah and so that's one of the things that has been happening privately a lot in the United States is You know main focus is on, and so the reason why you know climate change and Lgbtq plus rights are interconnected is because the fact that when we look into these communities that are mainly by communities, a lot of homeless youth are. Around forty percent I think in the United States are Lgbtq and law these youth are living in these areas and so while they're not also while they're also having to fight against assistant that depressive towards their identities and trying to survive they also have to deal with the facts of living in these neighborhoods that are near toxic facilities in. So with the lack of already medical access or medical health access for these communities LGBTQ. Of them don't really have that many options to leave especially since they fled their homes and don't know where to go next. Can. I ask you to just define what by Park is? Is a add on. It essentially contributes the differentiation of people, of color and by pockets, black indigenous people of color since blacking indigenous people, color values in their histories different. So distinguishing the fact that we'll talk about pse, it's different from. One of the things that you know people talk about is environmentalism and Veganism ICAN POA. I remember being cost. It's almost like you can't. Call yourself in environmentalists if still eat meat knows like why during a time it's eight me and I was like, why didn't they were like because it's not ethical unhealthy and it was made of industrialized chemicals in all these other things and then. I soon then made the change because I got sick with me every time I ate me I got sick and so then I made a food diary and made that decision to go vegan and I don't regret it since I went vegetarian I and are transitioning veganism but I think it was it was really good for me but the one thing I understood is that when talking to people about being. In the space in general spaces, like most men would say that it's like a gaping or You know we characterize as a masculine thing and so it's very interesting to see that why plants are seen as like feminine. So. Do you contracting? Thought that isn't that weird. But do you remember that was big documentary about food and it was asking? Guys about how they would worry that they wouldn't get an erection if they didn't eat me. And then they did this test and showed men, they go ahead or erection if they. Eat Me and Austin said, Nope, no problems on that. Wasn't, an earthquake Allen. is so funny because I. Actually realizing the cause the biggest. Sort of straw that broke the camel's back change me like you I was. To. Moved over was that I I read that Mike Tyson was the new face of veganism magazine. He's being Vegan on time. So my my associations VEGANISM IS A. Masculine kind of. I get asset sort of energy that I don't think of it is. I mean, I understand all that other stuff I just realized that that's why I don't have any kind of Family Association with with Being Vegan, it's considered wet for me. It's a terrible this when I was in the Al Award, you know that show about. When I played this person and this is really dirty can I say it can do. And there's a scene where I was like I came in started helping the palm to run the club and is do the sex scene with with with a boy with a waiter and actually to make it. So there's my poll who lives in Vancouver I go him he's knocked him play the waiter. And we had to do. We have to do this sexy and I basically time comes into office and I'm fucking this boy on our day. and. I just and Jesus goes for goodness sakes ridiculous and I just sit down and cutting on chatting still naked. Because I was like a crazy person. Crazy. You know. Anyway, the point is that. What's funny is that we did me and police obviously hilariously embarrassing both naked. Whenever we got to get you know assume the position of me fucking always we said hot dog and the Bun hot dog in the. Bun. So we kept saying to each other. But the thing was he's a Vegan has been forever and There was this there was a thing in the script by Vegan. ejaculate out say that. Word. In its truth. Can come tastes better right. That's the thing Vegan so. jotting made up this gag where I say. I said to. But Hey Paul, catch neighbor hypocrite. Yeah did you know I? Just guessed meaning you see see. Always better like oh Yes. Says, do you know what's interesting move on from that one move on from that once and Vegan come where are you going to pick this up off the floor and that's the kind of content we come here. We come here whoops. What's interesting is talking to your so calm and considered, and yet you are an activist and. Is that partly Decision to try and be like the calm voice of education or other things that really make you angry that you feel that you've been talking about for. So long US don't on getting anywhere. Christopher are you involved in CD? Yeah. I called I am growing up like I've always been very down to earth in that sense like. You even like high school or college I was like never really would say like I was respectful because that's who I was I always WanNa give. The the doubt, and so you know part of like what I started doing was seeing was it it was shown as activism in. So I realized that people were drawn to me because the fact of like the way spoke about issues or the way like you know they asked any questions that I was never to get annoyed but I think that you know this is so spectrum of like people's emotions and so. I think myself anyways like I haven't had it as worse than most other communities out there in the United States. So I understand for activists out there that don't have the time to explain that are maybe limited in their funding and ox access to opportunities out there I think that's what stems. So maybe the creation of that and so for me as a bridge builder or those who can give the space for others I really. Want to showcase that for people who are learning about Bellas into understand where people come from, and so I kinda myself as like the Level one teacher, you just enter environmentalism it. You just WanNa learn and then after I'm like, okay, we'll good luck on your journey like do you have to learn but it's up to you and not to me and understand that they won't meet someone like me or maybe some out there. But that's just because of who I am also I was to say I think because the so much in the USA right now it's just people in Britain, it's just people shooting each other is just very so much shouting and I think nobody listens when shoot it's so funny I just was I. so thing on Youtube the this film I thought I remember that director he shouted all the time and nobody listen to him. He was at your late with what's going on. Then I go away for a few weeks and come back on the set and he'd be shutting nobody be paying any attention. Oh, he's lost his currency's devalued currency because he just keeps at this level all the time and it doesn't make sense and nobody's going to listen. Yeah I think that's what what what is really important to bite. Activism our advocacy is that you have to listen to people. You have to understand where they're coming from rather than just because that's you know I think in terms of the environmental thing. So many people you know are overwhelmed with it and like overwhelming. What can you? What does it matter? The world's you know all these things and I think being corvette another thing I keep saying this podcast lowest something great tobacco. As that, we saw so clearly the air go so much better. That you know when when the world's Kinda shut down for a bit, we saw the effects of pollution and how we can turn that back and like dolphins and the and the canals of Venice. The highlight for me was actually fake a someone who was shut us. It was actually not. Saying. Fuck off. That's just thread for the the dolphins in the canals. Alejandro Dolphins putting his pool as a result of that. attack. God they're back to the two things that Spring to mind is like one Allen was saying the skies were clear and that was amazing. But also suddenly we've called this reusable plastic, which is reinstalled life with masks. And stuff and. Covert helping environmentalism was it not one thing is yes. The benefits in the sense of light Kobe lowering emission standards we sala differences in their from environmental standpoint like it's I guess you would say like it's a good view however I think there was a lot of people who fantasize the idea of how it should be kept that way we are people kept saying like we need more outbreaks or new pandemics to clear off equal but that then implies echo fascism with like it saying like. Yeah. Usually people who get are low income people people, of color, and so we're saying like, Oh will they should be the ones dying off until that obviously deadly. But the second thing is like the plastic pollution single PPA mass, right A lot of environmentalists I've talked about this. I advocate that you should responsibly take care where your mask goes from at in life but also ensure that you know if you need it for medical reasons, you should always wear you shouldn't have to. Compromise your own values or other people's lives just because, oh, it's plastic I can't use it, and so people have been investing reusable mass. I washed my mosques. And Mcginn still company the weren't ready dolphins and the canal. Well, not do that astle. It was a very. Fake. Isaiah has been lovely. Thank you so much. Thank you. Wasn't he dawning? Such a darling, what did you learn? What did you learn today though L. Morton Informative episode I think I. It was confirmed for me the kind of connection between poverty and the people who uninvited Manta's and the people who suffer. Morrison you know with. Cool. Like with an environment, like with all the things that are basically effecting negative things affecting us as a society, the people at the bottom are the ones that are. Being affected adversely Morrison that. People, and of course, poor people are mostly are bigger ratio by talk people, people of Color and of course, also acquire people. So it's like it was it was kind of a? Re affirmation of. Shit all is. Well I learnt. that. I learned that. You is about every little bit helps and he reminded me that and I wasn't sure if he would say that. So I thought that was interesting. I also learned Alan coming takes icons, including Gwyneth, paltrow and Suzanne somers she she was she invented the thigh master. That's big thing. She was the thigh Master Lady. Oh. Yeah. That was it. 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Steven Russell Pt. 2: Con For Love

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44:25 min | 5 months ago

Steven Russell Pt. 2: Con For Love

"After all of Steven russells devious schemes and dramatic jailbreaks. He ended up in the loss place. One would think to look for him. Restful acres care center while in prison. Russell had been diagnosed with AIDS. And by all appearances. The disease had progressed into the final stages. Russell was a shell of his former self. The man who wants roped companies blind and plotted grand getaways now pasta days in a tiny infirmary bed as life slowly drained from his emaciated body. He no longer walked or spoke his silver tongue. It seemed had withered away with the rest of him. He could barely muster enough energy to write letters to his beloved Philip Morris throughout his life Russell's charm and intelligence had opened many doors that were meant to remain firmly shut now he stood at the final exit on the threshold of the great beyond Stephen. Russell was poised to pull off his greatest escape but he had no intention of dying. Not for a while at least and certainly not without Philip Morris at his side Russell's lost con- his. Ps The resistance would be to cheat death itself. Welcome to Cornutus Apar- cost original. I'm Alistair murden every week. We peel back. The layers of history's greatest deceptions and tell the stories of the hustlers swindlers and fraudsters. That orchestrated them. I'll dive into their psychology breakdown. The tricks and explain why anyone might fool. For a con- you can find episodes of con artists and all other pasta originals for free on spotify or you listen to podcasts to stream con artists for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type Cornutus in the search Bra at power cost Greek food for you listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at Paul cost and twitter at Parkas network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a fine style review where ever you're listening. It really does help. This is our second episode on Stephen Russell. A man who's ingenious financial gifts were only taught by his own. Dacian jailbreaks last week. We learned about Russell's early criminal endeavors including identity theft insurance fraud and embezzlement this week. We'll hear how Russell fell into a deep obsessive love with Philip Morris. A love that motivated him to embezzle hundreds of thousands of dollars and become the most prolific prison escapee in American history. Stephen Russell and Philip Morris had a meet cute straight out of a movie. Morris was in the jail library struggling to reach a law book and a High Shelf when Russell stepped in and retrieved it for him a Damsel in distress and night in shining armor. And that as they say was that Russell Felton instant connection with Morris. There was something about him perhaps his petite frame or his boyish blue is that made. It seemed like he needed protection and quite suddenly. Russell wanted to do just that. They fell into a flirtatious banters. They traded stories about how they found themselves in. Lockup Russell was facing three years sentence for insurance fraud while Morris had kept a rental car for too long and was serving four years for theft of service however Texas prisons were so overcrowded that it was likely they'd both be out in a matter of months. Russell had escaped from Harris County jail before and he was confident that he could do it again but suddenly he decided he'd rather stay the thrill of escaping. Hardly compared to the Buzz Russell felt around Philip Morris. He figured he could bear a few months in jail if it allows him to build a strong foundation for a life on the outside with Morris so like Russell had done many times before he got to work making the improbable. A reality I russell pulled some strings and was assigned as Morris's cellmate. In those extremely close quarters the two men fell in love beginning a romance that would last for years. Russell knew he wanted to provide for Morris anything he wanted. When Morris despaired over his legal troubles Russell promised to cover his attorney fees and when Morris complained that he couldn't get any sleep because a fellow inmates screen till night Russell paid someone to beat up the scripture. Just so Morris could have some peace and quiet. Morris was a nervous wreck in jail and cried nearly every day. Russell was a godsend with his prior knowledge of the facility and unshakeable confidence he sued Marris's bowling and kept him safe in a very dangerous place. The intense stress of being behind bars gave their relationship high stakes. There is evidence to suggest that a heightened state of anxiety can contribute to more intense attraction in two thousand three study psychologist. Cindy medicine and Penny. Frolic found that people who had just gotten off rollercoaster rated photographed individuals as more attractive than those who hadn't basically residual excitement from the ride intensified participants later experience of attraction in their tiny cell. Russell and Morris whereabouts as far from an amusement park as they could be however prison did provide plenty of emotional twist turns and sudden drops their harrowing shed. Experience might've intensified their feelings toward one another. The Jailhouse love affair continued for ten months. Even after they were a scientists separate eunice then in October nineteen ninety-five Russell was released on parole. This should have been a happy occasion but Russell was devastated to leave. Morris Behind Morris still had two months left to serve Russell plans to provide a life of luxury for himself and Morris but for the time being he made you working menial jobs in Houston. This had the dual benefits of keeping his parole officer off his back and allowing him to stay close enough to visit Morrison jail however he soon came up with a much more satisfactory arrangement. Russell masqueraded as Morris's attorney Stephen Russo. Esquire this ploy allowed Russell to have unlimited visitation time with his client and Russell took the rules even further acting as a lawyer. He called. Marris's parole of Sir and got his release. Date moved up a full month. Russell and the newly freed Morris settled in Houston where Russell began preparing for his next hustle. His plan was to secure an exploit a high paying job in the medical insurance industry. He landed lucrative gigs before with only minor deception but this time he ups the ante. Russell put a classified in the paper advertising. Just the kind of job. He was looking for hundreds of people. Apply to Russell's position but unfortunately for them the job didn't actually exist resumes poured in and Russell took pieces from the best ones to coupled. Together an impeccable. Cv for himself then. He set up to phone answering services with different area codes. Whenever someone called the numbers they were told. They reached a major insurance company and asked to leave a message. Russell within return to cools giving himself rave reviews in a disguised voice. Russell also spent hours at the Public Library researching health maintenance organizations or. Hmo's said that he could be convincing in an interview. Within a few months. Russell was fluent in insurance industry jargon. His rehearsal process was complete. He was ready for his first performance in January nineteen ninety-six thirty eight year old. Russell applied to a CFO position for North American medical management of Fortune. Five hundred company that interface between insurance companies doctors after all his preparation. Russell aced his interview with the Board of the company's top executives. A few weeks later. He got the GIG. A Russell was earning a very respectable. Eight hundred five thousand dollar salary almost one hundred and forty thousand dollars today but as soon as he reported to work he began looking for ways to skim off the top. North American medical management or NAM received about twenty two million dollars every month from insurance companies which they held for seven to ten days before distributing to doctors. Russell was thrilled when he discovered that the company had never thought to invest the twenty two million dollars while they held it. This seemed to him like an easy way to turn a profit. Russell quickly went rogue and set up a new investments account fanaticism every month. Russell bought stocks with twenty two million dollars from the company's account. Then sold them off to seven days now was quite pleased with the extra one hundred and fifty thousand dollar income that Russell generated each week. But unbeknownst to them Russell was pocketing fifty percent of the prophets of the top with the hundreds of thousands that he embezzled from NAM. Russell was finally able to lavish Philip Morris with the over the top opulence. He'd wanted since they first met. Then you life was a far cry from the tiny cell they shed in Harris County jail. Russell bought a massive house in Houston. They spent tens of thousands remodeling. Tamara SIS specifications. He bought a twenty thousand dollar. Cartier Watch and matching rolexes for himself and Morris the even got his and his Mercedes benzes each with a price tag around one hundred thousand dollars. Russell sped no expense. Really Nam was picking up the TAB. They just didn't know it yet for over a year. No one suspected that he was siphoning off company funds. However in April nineteen ninety-six. Russell made a critical error. Russell applied for a loan. Texas Commerce Bank the same institution that handled names accounts before approving the loan t went over Russell statements. They noticed that he had a suspiciously large. Summon his account in comparing Russell's account to names. The bank realized that Russell had funneled away. Roughly eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the company into his personal accounts. They notified NAM immediately the next Monday when Russell came into work he instantly realized something was off the company's CEO. Jeff Rothenberg was in the office which was unusual. Russell strolled past the CEO's office a few times and realized he was on the phone with Texas Commerce Bank. Russell grew concerned that something had gone very wrong but he kept his cool as he ambled back to his office. Packed up a few items and shredded documents. Then on his way out he's slipped into the CEO's office and Stole Rothenberg Bogus briefcase. Russell walked out the door of NAM never to return. When Russell broke into Rothenberg's briefcase his worst fears were confirmed. The CEO had a meeting set for the next day with the Harris County. A The gravy train had come to a screeching halt. It was time to cut and run next. Russell tries to outrun Johnny Law. Once again podcast has an incredible new series aimed to brighten your days and renew your outlook on life. It's cooled daily quote and it's a quick two to three minute daily podcast for you to get inspired by through the hustle and bustle and stresses of life. Finding the path to positively has never been more crucial and the more fulfilled. You feel the more grounded you become every day on Taylor quote. You'll be given a quotes meant to motivate and uplift. You'll also dive deep into the context surrounding the quote learning more about his origin and the meaning behind it. There have already been the number of standout quotes featured so far but my favourite has to be the thoughtful words of legendary comic. John cleese and I can't wait to hear what's next so whether you're jumpstarting the morning searching for that midday pick me up or trying to finish the evening of strong daily quotes offer. Some of history's most inspirational quotes whenever you need them. Three hundred sixty five days a year. Follow daily quotes free on spotify or wherever? You get your podcasts now. Back to the story in April Nineteen ninety-six. Thirty eight year old Stephen Russell's boss had just discovered that he embezzled over eight hundred thousand dollars to escape from the law. Russell raced home called his boyfriend. Philip Morris and confess that their extravagant life had been funded with. Ill-gotten gains it strains credibility to think Morris believed Russell bought the house and cars and jewelry and jet skis with just his. Cfo Salary. But to this day both Morris and Russell insist that he was completely unaware of his boyfriends embezzlement scheme the way Tillett Morris was furious when he found out and he wanted to abandon Russell before the police came after him to this was Russell's worst fear even the prospect of going back to prison paled in comparison to losing the love of his life. He pushed his sporty. Mercedes to the limit trying to get home before Morris left but even with his relationship hanging in the Balance Russell took care to stop at several. Atm's on the way withdrawing about forty thousand dollars in cash by the time. Russell arrived at the house. Morris was Gone Russell spent hours cooling Norris's friends and eventually lured his boyfriend to meet him at his sister's place there Russell. Trying to give Morris a briefcase containing forty thousand dollars cash but Morris refused. He wanted nothing to do with it. Finally Morris's sister agreed to take the money to Russell's ex wife. Debbie in Virginia Russell and Debbie had remained friends after their divorce and she had helped him out of a few gems before but she didn't want to risk being implicated in one of his schemes. Unbeknownst to Russell. Debbie turned the money into her lawyer. Who in turn handed it over to Texas law enforcement? In due course the Harris County. Da Launched an investigation into the eight hundred thousand dollars. That Russell swindled from NAM. Based on his past escapades the authorities knew that he would probably go on the run and that he might call in to check on the investigation. A series of suspicious phone calls to several Harris. County offices confirmed the theory knowing the Russell was tracking his own case the. Da filed a secret pockets warrant for Russell's arrest the warrant was signed by a judge but not filed in the clocks office. This way Russell didn't have a heads up that the cops were coming after him on. May Twenty Third Nineteen ninety-six just ten days after Russell fled from them. He stopped buying his house to pick up a few things unfortunately for him. He was walking into a trap. Investigators arrested him before he ever made it inside for the third time in four years. Russell found himself locked up in Harris County jail. Both he and his boyfriend Philip Morris which charged with felony theft Morris was released after his friends posted. His forty thousand dollar Bond Russell on the other hand was a flight risk and had a much higher bond of nine hundred thousand dollars by this point. Russell was intimately familiar with the INS and outs of the bail process. In Harris County. He planned to use this knowledge to get his sky. High Bond Loyd to something more reasonable from his cell. Russell drew a mockup of court order which lowered his bond a manageable. Forty five thousand dollars. He then mailed it to a friend who typed up and official looking version and sent back then came the tricky bit. Russell had to get a clock to enter his counterfeit court order into the Harris County system on the day of his July twelfth bail hearing Russell smuggled his homemade get out of jail card in his jumpsuit. As Sheriff's deputies escorted him and a dozen other prisoners to the courthouse. Russell saw a woman walking by carrying a stack of files Jackpot. Russell waited until the woman who walked a distance away before he slipped his homemade bond reduction out of his jumpsuit. And let it fall to the floor. Then he told the deputy the woman had dropped it. The deputy picked up the official looking document and said he would take it to the clerk's office himself which was exactly what Russell was hoping for. Russell's bond hearing did not go well but that was immaterial with a hard copy of his phony bail reduction in the system. Russell only had to get the computer records to match. Russell needed to get in touch with the district clerk's office but he knew they would probably look askance at a call coming from inside the jail. Russell avoided this complication by first calling a friend in Florida and then having the friend conference him in with the Klug once Russell was connected. He impersonated judge and asked the clerk to low his bond. Here Russell took advantage of a well documented psychological phenomenon. People are highly likely to comply with a request when it comes from an authority figure like a doctor police officer or judge a nineteen sixty six study by psychologists offering brotzman. Dow Impo Graves and price demonstrated this to startling effect. They found that when a stranger claiming to be a doctor called nurses over the phone. An awesome to administer an excessive dose of an unknown drug to a patient. Twenty one out of twenty two nurses agreed to do so since this kind of misguided compliance can happen in a situation with life and death stakes. It's no wonder that the club complied with a request. She believed was coming from a judge once. Russell convinced the clock to lower his bail. The only thing left was to get a bondsman. This time. Russell masqueraded as his own lawyer. Roger Bridgewater under this guy's Russell called local bonding company and said that he was trying to get his client bonded outs before the weekend. Russell as bridgewater promised to pay the bond first thing on Monday within two hours. Russell was free as soon as he was out. Russell headed straight for his and Morris's home and shared the good news that he'd made bail. He left out the measures he taken to have it lowered. Russell knew he didn't have much time. Before the Harrison County clerk discovered his ruse he wanted to make a break for it but his heart wouldn't let him leave Morris behind so rustle US Morris to come with him but Morris flat out refused to run off with Russell. He wanted to take his chances going through the proper legal channels given more time. Russell probably could have persuaded Mars to join him but he didn't have that luxury so he got creative reaching back into his bag of telephonic tricks. Russell called the district. Klug this time pretending to be a sheriff's deputy. He enlisted the clerk in a dubious prank asking her to confirm that warrant had been issued for Philip Morris's arrest using every ounce of his conspiratorial charm. Russell convinced her to follow his lead. The clerk agreed. And when Russell called back with Morris on the line she played her part perfectly regurgitating the Lai. Russell had fed her genuinely terrified by the prospect of going back to jail. Morris agreed to go on the run with Russell. They plan to go underground in Florida for Awhile and for that they needed cash. The couples scraped together about seven thousand dollars between them but that wasn't enough for Russell. He desperately wanted to recover the forty thousand dollars. He'd sent his ex wife. Debbie for safekeeping unfortunately for Russell when? He called her to ask her to why the money. Debbie told him she handed it over to the police and even worse. The authorities had tapped her phone. Knowing Russell might reach out to her Russell Morris. Plan TO MEET UP IN FORT. Lauderdale thinking it would be safer to travel separately. Russell was lying low in a Florida motel when he heard someone banging on his door and Yell Fire. Russell knew this was an old cop trick. He was caught thinking fast. He called a friend to get word tomorrow. Then resigned to his fate. He opened the door and surrendered to the authorities. He was arrested and taken right back. To the Harris County Jail Russell had already escaped from that facility twice so the guards didn't take any chances. They put Russell in arm and leg shackles whenever he was moved from his cell and made sure he was never allowed to use the phones without supervision. This time Russell stayed put in August of Nineteen ninety-six Thirty eight road. Russell pled guilty to felony theft charges for embezzling eight hundred thousand dollars from them. He was sentenced to forty five years and the system transferred him to Huntsville prison to begin serving his time. Deputies cautioned the gods that Russell was slippery but their warnings went unheeded. The Huntsville Gods didn't realize they were dealing with con artist royalty. As soon as Russell arrived at the unit of the prison in October he began planning how he would walk out the front door from his prior jailbreak experience. He knew he'd need a disguise. Ideally one that he could keep in his cell without drawing attention from potential snatches Russell fate some. I trouble to get himself into the prison medical facility from there. He stole a medical pass and used it to walk around freely. Doing RECON. Russell quickly noticed a few weaknesses that he could exploit. I the God who works the Graveyard shift at the front door. Security checkpoint was lazy and inexperienced and second inmates in the infirmary will white uniforms. The vaguely resembled the green scrubs. That doctors were just like that. Russell knew how he was getting out. He bribed an inmate. Who WORKED IN THE JAIL TO STEAL HIM? One of the white infirmary outfits claiming he wanted to wear them as pajamas then he bought green magic markers off of fellow inmates. A few at a Time Russell. Experiments it with placing the markers in a sink full of water and soaking scraps of fabric inside until he had perfected a method for dyeing clothes. Russell was ready to make his move. He planned his breakout for Friday December thirteenth early. That morning Russell went into a restroom and changed into his green scrubs as he walked out he ran right into an inmate who knew him. Russell stood there in his disguise with bated breath certain that he was about to get ratted out but instead the inmate just wished him luck. There was honor among thieves after this close call. Russell quickly beats a hasty retreat to the checkpoint that he had scouted before as he hoped. The Lazy God was taking a break leaving his station. Vacant Russell walked right by and kept walking until he reached the prisons Outta Gate. Russell tried his best to calm as he waited for the God to open the gate. When the God commented that Russell scrubs looked a little like prison whites Russell played it off with the joke. Who Don't shoot me. The God laughed and let Russell Through. He had done it again. Russell walked away from the prison and through the woods until he came to a house. Turning on his trademark Chom Russell convinced the man inside that he was a doctor and that he'd gotten into a car accident he asked for a ride into town and the man obliged then Russell Spun the same yon and got a taxi to drive him. Seventy five miles to Houston from there. Russell hit up his ex wife and Helen Temple. The mother of his old flame James The each Wyatt him two hundred fifty dollars which used to by himself new clothes as soon as he was presentable. He headed straight back to Philip Morris once. They were reunited. Russell and Morris resumes there earlier. Plan to run away to Florida. They had a friend drive them across the border into Louisiana where they spent the night but the next morning bruton new complication while picking up breakfast. Russell caught sight of his mugshot staring back at him next to an article about his latest escape. Russell quickly toss all the copies of the paper in a dumpster. But he knew it wouldn't be enough. He and Morris had to disappear and fast. They decided against going to Florida since Russell had already been arrested twice. Instead Morris suggest that they hide out in Biloxi Mississippi a transient sort of town where they could blend in with the crowd. Russell Morris lay low in Biloxi hotel while they figured out the next move. Russell studied classified ads from papers all across the country and decided that the best prospects where in Philadelphia he walked to a pay phone and called up Helen Campbell who now lived in Pennsylvania to let her know that he'd be in the area but while they were talking. Helen said that she heard another man's voice on the line. Russell suspected that someone had tapped her phone. He raced back to the hotel. Where he and Morris for staying but when he was still a few blocks away he crossed paths with the US Marshall and three police officers. Who are looking for him. Russell was arrested on the spot while Morris was apprehended at the Hotel. Two hours later. They found themselves side-by-side handcuffed to a bench in jail waiting to be transported back to Texas coming up next Russell heads back to prison more determined the never to escape now back to the story after a brief stint on the Lam Master Cardis. Thirty eight year old Stephen Russell and his Boyfriend Philip. Morris had been rearrested they was sent back to Texas to serve time for embezzling nearly a million dollars from the medical management company. Russell had forty five years to serve a felony. Theft and Morris was serving twenty years for his own part in the racket. Russell was transferred from prison to prison to deter any further escape attempts but he was desperate to reunites with Morris on the outside as soon as possible. They wrote letters to each other but Russell longed for them to be together in the flesh. So in December nineteen ninety-six. He began preparing for his most involved escape. Attempt ever Russell carefully researched special needs parole a Texas program that allowed for the release of terminally. Ill inmates. He starved himself at ten months forcing his body to waste away to imitate the symptoms of AIDS. Russell had pulled a scheme like this two years prior but this time he would take it all the way to the end as part of his plan he also created fake health records on the prison library typewriter and drop them in the prisons internal mail system to be added to his medical file every few months correctional officers transferred him to different prisons hoping to thwart any further escapes but this actually worked to Russell's benefit each time he was moved. He asked inmates working in the infirmary to update his charts with more diet test results. By the end of nineteen ninety-seven his condition appeared so dire. The prison doctor Mohammad Amir requested special needs parole on Russell's behalf incredibly down to a mere took this step without running a single test on Russell himself. The doctors glaring oversights partially explained by a phenomenon called truth bias. A nineteen ninety-four paper by psychologist. Mike Hooper Goon mcallister and Frank Hudsucker asserted that the unique attributes of the medical context may contribute to physicians developing a truth bias regarding information disclosed to them by their patients. Essentially doctors tend to assume their patients a telling the truth when they report symptoms and ailments this ensures that patients get the cash. They need though it can mean a few Malinga's like Russell slipped through the cracks. This bias certainly worked in Russell's favor in addition to requesting Russell be released from prison under special needs parole. Dr Amir also petitioned the court to dismiss Russell's indictment for his nineteen ninety-six prison escape on account of how close his patient was to death in March nineteen ninety eight forty year old russell checked in to restful acres care center a nursing home where the state of Texas sent terminally ill inmates to die. Most people who entered the facility didn't leave alive but Stephen Russell was not most people using the nursing homes phones. He quickly sets up an answering service in the name of a Dr Rios. He then called restful acres asdopted and asked to enroll himself in an experimental AIDS trial in. Houston this was of course made up. Russell was released from RESTFUL ACRES ON MARCH THIRTEENTH. Nineteen Ninety eight which was not only a Friday the thirteenth but also happen to be Philip. Morris's thirteen ninth birthday. He had a cab taken to a dealership where he bought a car. He then drove straight to Huston. Where Philip Morris was serving his time but Russell had a few loose ends to tie up before he goes see his boyfriend he stopped at an office supply store where he bought a copy of the Harris County seal and set of surgical scrubs then posing as a doctor. He goes some blank death certificates from a funeral home. A few days later restful acres received the sad news that Steven Russell had pasta way. Complete with official documentation. Russell had to die so that his relationship with Philip Morris could live as soon as he could Russell Cooled Morrison prison. He pretended to be a lawyer. And with his attorney client privilege. He secretly informed Marris that he faked his death. He promised to see Morris soon now that he had gotten himself out of prison his top priority was freeing Morris. Russell believed that a high powered attorney could get Morris acquitted on appeal to get his hands on the kind of money he needed. For Morris's Legal Defense. Russell fell back on his old habits of identity theft and bank fraud. This time his target was aren't Sandler. The man who had bought out his family's produce business fifteen years earlier Russell. New Sandler was wealthy which made him the perfect mark. After getting a copy of Sandler's birth certificate Russell flew to Oklahoma to get a driver's license in Sandler's name. He chose Oklahoma because at that time the state didn't require fingerprints or check the national database to see if other licenses had already been issued with his new ide- in. Hand Russell flew right back to Houston and tried to call Morris again but he received some bad news. Morris had been transferred to a Dallas jail to testify in the trial of a former lover. Morris's questionable dating habits aside. This created a new wrinkle. In Russell's plan he had found an attorney to take on Morris's appeal for twenty five thousand dollars but now the lawyer wanted fifty thousand dollars twenty five for the appeal and twenty five to handle Marris's Dallas appearance as Russell scrambled to come up with more money. He was desperate to see Morris in person once again he decided to masquerade as a lawyer so they could have unlimited visitation. He called up the Texas Bar Association and pretended to be Jean Louis. An actual attorney Russell said he'd lost his Balkan and needed a replacement immediately. He didn't even wait for them to send the card. He flew to Austin to pick it up then onto Dallas to visit Morris often more than a year apart Morris was a sight for eyes. Russell could barely stands the plexiglas that kept them apart and offered to help Spring Morris on early parole by which he meant escape but Morris refused he talented enough brushes with the law to last a lifetime and wanted to get out the legal way to that end. Brussel headed straight to a bank to take out a seventy five thousand dollar loan in Art Sandler's name but perhaps some of Russell's desperation pete through his usually coup facade because the bank are feeling that something was off they alerted security who in turn called the FBI before the federal agent could arrive. Russell claimed he had chest pains and an ambulance was called to take him to the ER often making a miraculous recovery. Russell trying to leave the hospital but police officers stopped him. They took his wallet but didn't think to take his cell phone once. Russell was alone in his hospital room. He called into the local. Fbi dispatch pretended to be a special agent and canceled own. Investigative detention after this close cool. Russell was anxious to get out of Dallas and head for Florida where he knew he could lay low but before he left. Russell puts in a call to the FBI to check on their investigation into him. He was relieved to find out that the agent assigned to his case was out for a long weekend. He thought he had a little time to maneuver. Unfortunately the Texas bar had also launched their own investigation the stunt that he pulled to get a ball card in jean-louis 's name raise suspicion that he might be an impostor so the boss sent Russell's Foto to law enforcement officers across the state one of these offices. Terry carbs recognized Russell a year prior he had personally returned Russell to Texas. After his escape to Biloxi cops was shocked to see the not only was Russell somehow back at large but the he had also faked his own death as a matter of professional pride officer. Cobbs was determined to put Russell back behind bars. After analyzing Morris's phone records from the jail. He suspected that Russell might be hiding out in Florida. He contacted Special Agent Richer Dis and let him know that he might have a fugitive in his backyard. Cobs also did some digging of his own. He read everything he could get his hands on about Russell and found a newspaper article that mentioned Brussels previous dealings with viatical companies on a hunch combs called a few Florida vehicles and got a hit from someone who had recently spoken to Russell. He knew he was getting close to Nabbing Russell. Once and for all meanwhile agencies had worked from copses tip and narrowed his search to the very apartment complex where Russell was staying when Russell went out and evening he felt a nine millimeter pistol pressed against his head. Russell had a long run from Virginia to Texas to California and as far as Mexico City but it all came to an end in Florida outside a set of pink stucco Buildings Russell was returned to Texas in April of Nineteen Ninety eight. A special prosecutor immediately refiled charges for his nineteen ninety-six escape in August of two thousand. It took a jury own of thirteen minutes to find him guilty. He was sentenced under the State's habitual criminal statutes which called for life sentence for three-time felons. He received nine thousand nine years for his escape. In addition to forty five years for embezzling nearly one million dollars from North American Medical Management Russell and Morris a no longer in touch but neither of them has ruled out the possibility of reunion once. Russell has served his time. He will become eligible for parole in December. Twenty twenty at sixty three years old for his part. Russell claims he is not planning anymore. Escapes certainly a breakout would be complicated with his current living conditions? Russell spends twenty three hours each day in solitary confinement locked up in a six by seven foot cell. He is strip searched when he's allowed to take his daily shower twice a week. He's moved to a new cell and God's search all of his belongings. The State of Texas may have stripped Stephen Russell his liberty and the luxurious life style. He once led but they'll never be able to take away the title that he earned the King of Con. Thanks for listening to Cardis Mu. Be Back next week with new episode for more information on Stephen Russell amongst the many sources we used we found. Steve mcvicker spoke. I Love You Phillip Morris. A true story of life love and prison breaks extremely helpful to our research. You can find or suits of CON ARTISTS. And all other podcasts originals. For Free on spotify not only spotify already. 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"Sodano show on ESPN LA meeting KYW's been lions hanging out. Ben had a sandwich or their immediate. You're saying you're hungry. Shared it with no listening. I got a goal this week is the spend no money on food. I went to the farmer's market, Sundays shut it down. And it's going to ride that off into the sunset. Okay. I this point I need a trash sandwich. Yeah. Go, my, my, my wife can make one of those for years. You made my daughter one for lying to her. So anyway, real quick before we get into the campus. Stands eating the thing out of the carpet. Kevin durant. I'm telling you, man. I've never been more proud of my wife than today because she is definitely good. Most of the time when it comes to these situations. Stories that make me want to have children. Having children is, like, okay, the best way to describe it is. It's super challenging, but also super rewarding. I guess that's right. Mike you your your, your father. You're going to be grandfather couldn't sit up in any better way. Man. Super challenging yet Subaru awarding. So that's just take talents to south beach. Same thing. Yeah. Jing reward. Exactly, by the way. Join us next Thursday June twentieth. The rock and brews, Redondo beach corner of Pacific coast. Highway in palace virtues palace versus boulevard, having NBA draft party. I'll be there with Byron Scott Mason, Ireland will be there before us. So we're they're starting at noon from noon to three, they'll be there. We'll do purgatory live from three to three thirty and then I'll take over Byron, and take you through the entire draft. We'll have chance chance to win opening night. Tickets to Lakers, autograph merchandise and all sorts of goodies. We always come correct with that stuff. So let me grab a couple of calls. You real quick, Jason LA wants talk about the conversation. We were having go ahead. Jason. Very quickly. I wish you all the time. I'm Jackie Burton. I'm not sure my tweets, but anyway, as it relates to the AD trade considering eighties injury history. I mean he's pretty much injury prone at this point. Like, isn't there a price this considered too high given that back? She'll let me ask you a question. Would you consider Lonzo Ingram? Somewhat injury riddled at this point, not in their first two years. I mean. Those playing fifty games basically the first two years each season. No del but I'm saying they're still young clears like Anthony Davis been elite. What seven eight years and he's been hurt. Right. Wouldn't you? But these way, better track record of actually impacting games, and even away, higher ceiling than those guys. No. But my question was just by the way and Anthony Davis, I'm looking at the numbers here. So if you look Anthony Davis last year played fifty six game weird season doesn't count, that was because he wanted to quit the year before that seventy five games the year before that seventy five games the year before that he was injured had had an injury issue, sixty one games of the Uber for that sixty games a little low, but not crazy. And then sixty six before that, and sixty sixty four his rookie when he was nineteen. Right. I would say that's more than what lonzo's put on the floor completely. No. My question is just is that something to consider? No, because he's better than those guys new NBA where a guys leg blew up last night, and people are gonna maxim out for four years. And the guys you're trading our guys who are also injury riddled, when an also want to just say that I think a lot of Laker fans are reluctant to trade, the young guys like that because part of the situation that we're in is because win Phil Jackson was there. We never had young player. So once all that, once everybody went away, and it was just we were stuck over the cap couldn't do anything. And I think that's where a lot of people are coming. No, I get in Ben. Brought that up earlier Dwight Howard stuff. But yeah, I mean this is the risk you take, like if you don't take a risk. What are you gonna do just going to waste? Lebron's career I will say in, in defense of our frontier. You know, the other thing in the new NBA that we talked about earlier is load management. Right. And we talked with praised what Toronto with cli- if the Lakers do this trait. They can't manage anyone's low because they are going to be a thin team, which, again, you guys know where I stand on this. I think it's worth it, regardless because of the upside of having to top five six five or six players team. But that is a very, very precarious situation healthwise both guys in theory you wanted to seventy five games. Right. Like I think you can take seven games awfully guy. I think LeBron's now probably closer to seventy but that's okay. That's fine AD to the said this year was a wash because of the weird stuff with wanting to trade, your before that seventy five games before that seventy five games. And by the way, Brandon Ingram the last two years, fifty to fifty nine. Yes. And Lonzo fifty two games. You know what I mean? Either one of those guys ever seen north of seventy in the hermit shears year he played seventy nine but that was it like then the last two years have not been he's been injury. Riddled part of it as we're learning from this NBA finals so to in year. Seventeen for thirty five year old LeBron's played into June. Every year except this year since I was shaving now build a team around him. That is thin. Say ship for success, if either gonna get hurt they are, but, but that's this. You're too. Today. I mean you run it back. You're still gonna have that same problem. So. I want to get to the D stuff. I mean, we talked about this to kind of start to show kind of the big picture problem with this is just kind of the sports culture, mayor of American culture to. Right. You're right. In japan. They work four day workweeks. Now, they work like twelve hours, but, like I don't know in terms of their famous people athletes musician their athletes work real hard bass player. Building someone up ripping them down and building uniquely American in Europe, though, there's people take plenty of AK shin. They take all of it, right. Like all that stuff happens. But I think that there is this culture of Matiz mo-, particularly in sports. But the other part of the equation is, and this is not getting enough play. Is that for as much as Bob Myers was out there crying yesterday, and guys were super sad and understandably so, again, not saying, all of that, or most of that was genuine, there has to be some of that, that at least maybe the cynic like me, things manufactured out of guilt. Not that they're faking it, but out of guilt because all those stories that came out, right? All those stories about their questioning whether he wants to be in the series or not. And basically questioning his desire, and his manhood, even to some extent, and all those leaks came from the warriors. Yes. And it's the media didn't make that up. I want to push back on something, I've seen you mention sort of. The toughness, the manhood that kind of thing. Yes, we saw the stories and it's it, it's never really been about Durant's toughness, when I say it, I mean, the larger critique and often think when it comes to injuries. It's, it's more about the fact that this is a business and honestly Kevin Durant would have been perfectly within his rights to, to not come back rush back for business reasons that is valid critique. Can we not get to a place -ociety where we are comfortable saying that we're seeing comfortably? It's okay. Kevin for you to sit out because we understand business issue. Well, we understand that you want to have a long career and not exacerbate an injury. And you want to play next year and get paid a lot and be on a championship team. Elsewhere the collective, we'd to live in space where nuance and perspective. We don't live in that world. So I had this conversation with your rival Pablo, Tori the other day we were in Toronto together for game two. And we were talking about just kind of the prism that we're gonna do this time in, and I don't think we're going to reflect back or the next generations gonna reflect back at us in the way, we handled kind of these first ten or twelve years or fifteen years of social media. They're not gonna look back at it finally at the way we've just kind of handled all this stuff and how everything out, it's permeated into all other aspects of society. These kind of reactions that we have. I think there are certain personalities. They're also better quipped for all of this. Like I think Joel Embiid crying again, we had this toughness competition. And I think of how it yet maybe for the different player that could have been could have been construed as like a real negative or would have impacted him in certain kind of way. Joel Embiid made his avatar picture of himself crying. He is of this generation is perfectly suited social media. You can't hurt him. Okay. Kevin. Durant is all too vulnerable vul- noble. I think and, and it really it's it I, I hate to blast of for. He's just has a different personality from Joel Embiid. He's not right. Everyone is going to be able to react all this the same way you talked about it to start during purgatory, right? Like you got you're like super Joan jacked up to be here on the show with us. And somebody sent you a mean message. And of course, you see it and, you know, some aides of radio right? Didn't feel great. No. That doesn't sound like it would feel great Matic. Yeah. A little over the top. I also feel like people are they don't see that, that phrase on Twitter a lot. And it's just like, yeah, I do who's tweeting at you guys. I do. I've got the mute it, and it's not even so much that they're tweeting it at me. I just see I what I do on social media. I follow. People from all sorts of different cities, that are just fans who I think are generally smart, but occasionally will re tweet some stuff or fight with other fans in their town. And I see that were getting that phrase getting tossed around and it's kinda gross in a lot of way. Yeah. Yeah. Like super grosser to when we come back tours Allen talk about Durant. Yeah, I was reminded of last night. And I think is part of now that part of the American quesion of Bill down build up Bush ripped down now build back up again. And we're in that phase and two things about terrain is wanna talk about quick. I wanna run that Jalen rose, Shannon. We actually never earlier about him. Basically calling out some of the people involved in this Durant situation. So we'll have that and Sam darnold. There's a clock on Sam darnold already. What are we talking about here? We'll get to that in just a few moments. But I got to tell you about my buddies at Mercedes Benz of Sinoe, best dealer in town man during the holidays, I need a new car winter Mercedes-Benz of Encino right there in the heart of the valley and get myself a new car. Great experience love the car. And here's the thing I went in there. And I'm like, of course, they're gonna treat me right? You know, I'm the guy doing the commercials, but no man everybody in that showroom. Got the VIP experience. Everybody got the MVP treatment, the white glove treatment, so see the most spectacular, Matori Mercedes Benzes and huge inventory. Of low mileage certified pre-owned vehicles. 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I wanna get to the Sam darnold like clock ticking things story that the, the jets are the strangest team ever. I almost feel bad for Sam darnold that he landed there. And there's raiders stuff that we talked about earlier, that's always fun because it's just the raiders. I forgot what we I don't even know is anyone remember what he's talking about the last one talking about the human element was play last night, right size. The American people, everything that's wrong with America. When you criticize the little found like it was initially started by Clinton. Yeah. And like every other politician in both parties. Now. Does it where you press your thumb against your index finger big the building people up ripping them down, and building them back up again that's the vicious cycle? Whether you're talking about actors in Hollywood, like Robert Downey, junior, young talent had some drug problems. We bring them down. He's now the face of vendors Disney, we build them back up again. Right. Right. Just a lot of people and two things about Durant that have always stood out to me. And I'm just like, wow, when amazing journey wanna live, did you guys know, big Chucky was no when Kevin Durant was eight years old and started going to the seat pleasant recreational center, and he would spend hours and hours there, because it was far safer and more more structure than going home was for him despite his mom's attempts to raise him. He lived in a tough neighborhood. There was a guy there named big Chucky affectionately, but Charles Craig, who was the basketball coach and really lit a fire. And Kevin to be a great basketball player. We'll Kevin's junior year at Oak Hill academy, the basketball factory in two thousand five Chucky was murdered. And that's where he wears the number thirty five because Chucky was thirty five years old. And he wants his legacy to go around the world, every time you see a Kevin Durant jersey with the number thirty five around the world. That's a tip of the cap to the man who really helped raise him right away. So that tells you to for a young person to go through their formative years. That's, that's tough. I serious stuff. Right. This year. Do you know Clifford Dixon was no Dixon was one of Kevin Durant's best friends had a birthday party dish? Murdered outside his birthday party this year. So you Kevin Durant life. And at the age of sixteen his father figure mentor the person you trust. The most is taken from him, and then at thirty years old, a person in his inner circle, after he seeing the world and back and is made more money than any of us will ever known our life. He still affected by this type of lifestyle and gun violence and all this is human human beings. He's a relationships is real life is not your snake. You're a coward. Let me put up your mean with the players should Beaune in a funny, ha twice social media last week county drain hasn't overcome anything and his basketball journey. Like, LeBron has like Michael Jordan has and Columbine cinema note about these things really actually, let's take a step back and write the grand scheme. I think maybe he was talking about just the context of basketball because in the conscious of just specifically basketball, which is not. That's not normal. We're all human Michael losses father. He's father was murdered. Brian bringing factoring, all that we forget that with these, I get that Ben, and I'm not trying to diminish that. But what I'm trying to tell you and not knowing what Colin said, Colin, but my underst- might m- my first initial reaction with that would be is he's talking about just the trials and tribulation on the basketball floor. Whereas Michael had to go through the pistons. Right. And that kind of stuff and LeBron had to go through the Celtics. Right. But my point is forget, Colin. Yes. That's all they're humans last night. The basketball narrative was put aside by the human element. I agree with you. And I do use a coward and snake, and I think that's what needs to be rethought bit sort of, like, are we going to bring in character critiques, because look, I'm still going to criticize like, Kevin Durant joined the warriors? I do not as a basketball fan didn't like it doesn't make me enjoy basketball, more characters different, and I think last night, you know, thinking about, wow. This guy what he's gone through playing through this injury. Because he loves the team that should make us not rethink again how we feel necessarily about his basketball career, Georgia, what he's overcome or his decision to play on this team in what is meant for the league. But perhaps his relationship to that team itself his character as a player as teammate look, the professional athletes have over a lot of them have overcome tremendous odds. And those are things I think, when we talk about character, and those qualities need to be taken to account. But, but I do think it's fair to criticise basketball decisions about, you know, teams at the play on some of them on the court and overcoming adversity doesn't necessarily factor into that route form the game of life heckling on the court. I'm all for that. I get that Jaylen said is to my point to, and I'd love for you to play that sound because it is part of this narrative that us fans have no somehow constructed around these players. They have to have their legs blow up on TV for us perspective. So here's Jalen set on I take this more. There's a group state property that I loved growing up. And one of the things I think it was host Gaynor sparks it people bring flowers to your funeral. But don't bring you suit when you sick. That's what I'm seeing for Katie right now. Everybody fake acting like they care about katie's best interests when they don't is phony to me, I just said, Friday night, or NBA countdown, that katie's workout did not go well for nobody involved, and then we're Katie got cleared to play people felt like they wanted assessing my character. Oh, you didn't know what she was talking about katie's clear to play. He's out there warm enough in doing dunks. That's adrenaline. It's a rush. He's a professional athlete that people having coffee in the morning or Expresso or sugar is going to be at rush. And then there's a crash and Steven, you can't be out there. Seventy five percent going against ended in the NBA finals, this angel. We got our pound of flesh as need. Area. As people who watch this leak faithfully. We wanted to see Katie give himself to us. We thought it was week that he win joined the goes day words, I didn't like to stay worth go to park. You want to best players to pick teams not join teams but he's go. Stay warriors now it was a quest for him to prove that he could be something bigger than just back the bag raining finals MVP. That's why all year we have said that Katie was leaving. Why? Because he was on the thirst for something that Golden State, couldn't give them we created at narrative, he would never be to do and Golden State, that's always going to be Steph Curry's team. So therefore, he goes there wish championships, but he got leave to still validate himself. So now congratulations world. You got your pound of flesh. He's right that pretty much summed it all up. You know. Shame. Because we miss out on pre sheeting loving a world class Hooper watch him ball out is one of the most beautiful things and all sports. It's two competing ideas there. Right. Which is Jalen himself admitted he doesn't heed wishes he wasn't ongoing stay. That's what makes it so difficult. Right. Because you do want to appreciate the player and everything is capable of and not impugn. His characters drivers competitiveness. Well also, it's okay to have, you know, to not like a super team existing I do think he made a ton of points there in the first one, I think is very important, which is we need to potentially. Rethink the way we talk about athletes in injuries. That is really my biggest takeaway. It's not about Katie the super team his career necessarily, it's this concept of toughness is concept of fighting through injuries comeback. What it means that is very fraught to me. I agree with you. This is what wanted Durant. Kevin's mom tweeted last night, afterwards for all of you question. My son as a man question is hard questions, integrity and question. His love for the game of basketball. You don't know him. He has a heart of a true warrior this to shell passed. God bless you all, and Muniz. Right. It's like. These guys put their life and limb on the line every night, and we do have to have different conversation around injuries and calling people out and stuff like that. Yeah. I think that hopefully someone listens and realizes the next time something happens like it's all cute, and fun and games to Detroit, somebody on social media. But there's a real person on the other side. Right. And we don't factor that stuff in, and that I think that's the problem is social media. Is it takes the? The human element out of it. Right. Because there's no real interaction nuance. There's no no real interaction. There's no personal interaction and life in general has as we've removed personal reaction out of almost everything. No to hate it. When we get asked on shows that we're on. Okay. Should he play through this? Should he put? I don't know. I seen Durant. I was on horn. And we were talking about I was having to talk about. We talked about through the lens of the words needed to which I'm vine they clearly did do obviously, but they would have won without him. But the question of should he play? I don't know. You don't know fans don't know no one has any idea what these guys what their actual hus- I will never criticize an NFL player for not playing through an injury, because I have no idea what he's planning. The guy's not let organizations off the hook because we know the warriors put a lot of pressure on down. And also the big reason why co is in Toronto because the Spurs put a lot of pressure on Koa and Barkley said that today on on. Get up. He was asked who do you blame about, you know with this situation? He was very Frank about it. You guys all morning. If there's somebody to blame that is there is somebody to blame the Golden State Warriors, putting caveat there, listen, that was not. Right. You know, if you go back and look at the last two weeks of the article comes out katie's worst nightmare. The warriors winning without him. Then you come out you read the articles, the warriors really unhappy with Katie wall risks his achilles. They're frustrated with KB now, this man has to be some type of weight. So I'll play into for Katie gin hurt and I don't care what they say about it. Yeah. He just kind of keeps on there. But no. He's right. I think that there is some blame as Mike pointed out in Charles pointed out on, on the organization coming up next we're back into half minutes. I will finally get to the Sam darnold on the clock story. The raiders also on the clock for a different thing. And we've got the Forbes highest paid athlete list menas, buddy, his her best friend forever. Aaron Rodgers is on the list. We'll find out where we're backing two and a half minutes. Data show here on ESPN LA meantime, been lines. Thank you guys for hanging out today, appreciate it. You break it down. So, well, Joyce sometimes out of these crazy theories. And you just like it's business. Oh, yeah. Thanks, sorry. Saying David Aldridge of the Atlantic, of course, longtime NBA reporter, one of the oh, jeez only person are seeing do a box. Score of a game like a baseball box score sat next to the NBA finals. And he does possession by position like you would a baseball game. That's cool ever seen that he's saying that. And there was a report out there today, too. I don't remember who had prior to this, but he's now got obe- marks had three teams. We didn't mention the teams would offer Durant, a full max David alter has these specifics. He's like, basically all the teams in the running for Kevin Durant. The to New York teams Golden State, whoever coastal elite. Yeah. They call still elite teams will offer him a full max like they are ready to do it. No matter what. And you brought up a great point in the break. Right. Which makes no sense. Lingers, not. Yeah. Why not though, what what's the worst? You can say no. Yes. In which case, Hugh, you throwing this year next year to the wayside, you're saying, you're not gonna compete. Right. But if you're training for Anthony Davis, you still got aunt that you can still trade for Anthony Davis. Kevin Durant work for eighty and signed k, yeah. Right. And you could sign K D. I mean they'd have to free up more space at the re-signed eighty they'd say they'd have to free up about twelve million dollars in space. So then into Quincy twenty you have in LeBron three of now into a pipedream. It is a dream, but all right. All right. I don't think it's going to happen because first of all, they'd have to literally just dissolve themselves of everyone other than LeBron. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't Katie eighty LeBron and the ram by they'd put him out on the court Kirk. We'll just jump back in right? Exactly. So there's that real quick Sam darnold. US's zone Joe Douglas is the new general manager of the New York Jets Meena. Yes. Yes. Just okay. Douglas said Tuesday that it's really exciting that twenty two year old Sam darnold was one of the reasons that attracted into the jets job, basically said that they're on their own kind of personal clock is building around. A young quarterback. There's a sense of urgency. We did that in Philadelphia knowing we had a young quarterback and wanted to put the pieces around him. I think there's going to be the same urgency anywhere but especially here with a young quarterback like Sam look teams. Have figured this out, right? You got a guy on rookie contract. You gotta try to make this thing work as quickly as possible. And he's a guy that certainly has the skill set to kind of make this thing work. Like, how do you see how did you see Sam darnold a rookie? And where do you think he needs to progress? I'm Donald fan. Okay. I liked him coming out of the draft and liked what I saw from him at the end of the season, you saw a much more accurate decisive quarterback. I think towards the end of his rookie year his decision making which at times been up and down improved. So if I'm the jets, I'm pretty pleased with what you got from him. And he's, he's people that don't heal peer people know this super mobile throws on the run. Really? Well, we saw some really fantastic to us on the run at the end of last year in December, but they didn't. Have that many pieces around him. They still are building around him, especially in terms of weapons. They had Jamison Crowder, who I liked as sort of an outlet for him. In obviously Levy on bell is going to assist a lot not just as a runner, but also Cusco excluding not happy about him being paid very much. They're, they're working it out, by the way, is the most annoying coach. And I don't say that just because he coached the team, I grew up rooting for I feel like he wants to be Bill. But I'll check without any of the reasons that develop check is Bill Belichick guys in the AFC as an earned anything to be calling any of these shots like. It's crazy to me. Yeah, I know. That's always interesting thing because Peyton Manning liked him like it goes a long way in the NFL, today's no seen him, more and more coaches calling their shots. I mean, in Houston, the GM, fired people believe that has something to do with the coach, their Bill, Brian getting what he wants. He wants to be patriots south. But look, this is the right you wanna hear this. You want to hear that the team is. Hoping to maximize their rookie contract of the quarterback because that's how successful teams the NFL built these days it's almost like the judge just woke up went o clock. Okay. What should we do here? No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Businesses usual. Yes. No. They had no plan to make a competitive team in this window with him darnold. And now they're trying to pick up the pieces in classic dysfunctional New York Jets. It's the best. They're the best like they that clock that train is always on time. You know what I'm saying? The jets train, which is that they are going to have a level of dysfunction. There was a story today on this nation about crazy, like a decade later. It was like a look back at what went wrong with the Mark Sanchez jets. They went to back to back titles. And I, I didn't I don't want to be the guy who trolls another media outlet. So I literally wanted to quote to though, well, they're the jets that's really when there's really no nothing go back and read keeshonds book throw me the damn ball. I read it last year. Cover to cover. Imagine the number one pick in the draft. Imagine this year Kyla Murray is terrible year. And then he writes a tell all book, and how they're awful. That would never have twenty nineteen Shelley Smith goes writing. It's fast. Sending read real quick. It is a fascinating read, but. Raiders are hard knocks. Yes. Is that must watch? Like I haven't watched hard knocks like religiously in a while. It's been a number of years. We talked about, as the Bengals basically are you a hard knocks watcher, like religious, watcher, meaning I am last season was excellent in Cleveland and enough date is in Tonio Brown. Raiders wide receiver tweeded. It's a hard nut. Life for us. And then get your popcorn ready. Oh, this great. Yeah. Gruden being grooten on TV. Does that mean like not a mass singer anymore? Or is he still amassing? Got a cellphone just like you. I like seeing Gruden on TV. I am going to watch our knocks this year because of the rain, we got about ninety seconds here. I wanna do this Forbes list of the highest paid athletes, and I guess this includes endorsements and all that stuff. Don't you give me some music here? So we can just roll out with it. Who is the highest paid athlete in the world? Take guests Renaldo number two on the list. Messy Tim out for number one three would be named are four is a boxer take a guess the Mayweather TD canal Alvarez to sign that new deal with zone v a tennis player. Federal federal six your quarterback. Russell Wilson six highest paid athlete in the world right now. Oh how these things are hawks number seven your BFF Aaron Rodgers. Lebron James at eight Steph curry at nine Kevin Durant at ten that is the top ten of the Forbes highest paid athlete list now, Forbes calculates, like endorsements. You'll. List Gilbert known giver was on the show weeks ago to catch them. Yes, it was so bad that it was good. Yes, that's the way I look at it, but now for any reason, other than that's Gilbert arena. I saw that. But to me, that's great radio. So I enjoy actually really enjoyed having you mean and Ben thank you guys for hanging out, George good job fund. She and my shut out to the women dialer g nothing dollars. Angels. Thailand. We gotta go. 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"So Donald Show here on ESPN LA was up your shoutout to the raiders we had the guy call in on Friday. Hey Donna you're not giving the raiders any love. You're not giving the raiders any chance and you know what I'm going to say. I was wrong now. I didn't know if they were going to be Denver but if they're going to Denver they gotTa beat him at home so I'll give them that. I was more impressed with their defense than anything else. I thought they'd be able to score points thought offensively they'd be okay but right defensively they were way better than I thought they were going to be and I think they deserve credit and deserve a little love today. They are who you thought they were well. No actually they are not who I thought they were to be honest with you again. They played great football. Yesterday I again. I I did not expect that to be the case with the raiders so I wanNA give them shoutout to start the show. we're going to keep tabs on what's going on with the dodgers. They are leading seventy. Three looks like they're going to clinch their playoff spot here tonight so we'll have that for you. Once it happens we can kind of react initially to it. uh-huh we've got a Lotta guess for it. Towards the back end of the show we kind of scheduled that way so we could talk dodgers early on hopefully my guess was initially. I thought this would kind of be over potential here in the first few minutes of the show but yet they are going to the bottom of the eighth now actually through eight so they're going to the top of the Ninth Yeah Orioles. Let's try to make it interesting. These score a couple runs here but luckily they moving on which one morning morning and then everyone can celebrate back. Take a breath back to the play offs not that that was really ever in doubt. I guess but it's just nice it's confirmation that now we can kind of like all right now the next step up and get ready for the playoffs yeah for sure I. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Obviously if you tuned in there's the Antonio Brown story so look. Here's what we know okay about the Antonio Brown around story. Antonio Brown is being accused of three separate incidents of sexual assault and rape according to to a federal lawsuit filed on Tuesday this was initially reported by the New York Times then followed up by TMZ and now everyone is kind of jumping on this particular story. The Patriots receiver is accused of three incidents of sexual assault in two thousand seventeen and twenty eighteen against a woman who attended college with him and in these stories he apparently sent some really lewd and nasty texts to to this particular woman now Justina Anderson of ESPN is reporting that Antonio Brown is counter suing the woman for defamation of character and things of that nature so. I don't believe this is a criminal case to my knowledge. I believe that it is a civil case to my knowledge. I'm still trying to read through some of the fine print here on this particular lawsuit but yeah I don't you know their their claim is that it's going to be it's well. It is going to be a civil lawsuit because of the timing naming of it right I mean I guess a criminal investigation could be potentially opened but I don't know if that's the case at least at this particular juncture. I don't want to speculate on any of that stuff. All the details are still kind of is coming out so right. It's Kinda scarce right now yeah so his former trainer a young lady whose name I'm not gonNA mention because I I don't WanNa do that. Even though it is in the report you can find out for yourself but I'm not doing that. is claiming that yeah. There were a couple of issues with sexual misconduct and rape. She's specifically cited those words so a very strange week for the NFL and Antonio Brown so we'll keep you posted if there's any new news to update on that but that is basically what we know at this point there's not a lot of particulars as far as the information's concern and I don't want to get into the details of this simply because honestly I it's. It's there's no way to convey. Just the word sexual assault and rape should stand on their own. You know as far as an accusations concern and we've also discussed the other side of this that Antonio Brown is claiming that this is all false that this is not true at all that this and his attorneys have said that the woman is trying to you know exploited her has used her relationship with him to try to exploit exploited her relationship with him to also gain access to other athletes and people work in sports so that she could then train them. They're claiming all that stuff stuff. You can kind of go back and forth on the Internet and see the. He said she said I honestly I don't. I don't have anything else to add to it because I'm not going to sit here in pine on something that is that what I just just said A. He said she said I don't think it does you any service. It doesn't do me any service like this. Stuff will end up playing itself out in the legal L. system so that's we're going to leave that at this particular moment but obviously a very odd week for Antonio Brown and the NFL so just a strange strange strange strange week so we'll see how this all plays itself out. I coming up next. We're GONNA get into the rams. Were you into the raiders. We're GONNA get into the saints Monday night football last night what this means now for the rams who have the saints coming in all this stuff. I want to get some Kobe Kobe talking. Kobe seen some stuff about Dwight yeah. You'RE GONNA WANNA stick around for that so stick around. 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Don't don't wait call Jacob at eight four four twenty Jacob Visit Them Online at call Jacob Dot Com. We're back at three minutes so Donald. Show here on ESPN LA taking you up until nine o'clock tonight Adam Amine Kirk Morrison stopping by a little bit keep an eye on the dodgers right now up. Seven three in the top of the ninth got got a couple of outs and a runner on first so the guys are anti there. I'm looking at him in the dugout. They're already to celebrate another playoff appearance bubbly waiting for them in the in the locker room it is out of the there's any doubt speaking of bubbly guy celebrate a lot of bubbly. was Kobe Bryant nine five time champion with your Los Angeles Lakers and look obviously. There's been a lot of talk about Dwight right. There's the shack stuff shack who when asked about Dwight's return earn Papa John's event and Shaq and Kobe going back and forth on twitter and then Shakeout of dropping an anvil on Dwight to end in that particular twitter conversation but Kobe took the high road he was on the talk today which is one of those afternoon talk shows on the networks and he was asked about Dwight okay. Let's talk about the Lakers 'cause they. Just signed your former teammate Dwight Howard. Things didn't go so well with you guys when you're on the court together. But what do you think he has to do differently. If you want the Lakers for the first time we played together in the first half of the season with very tough in the second half a season we wanted to play in a basketball team in the league and then unfortunately I tore my Achilles Gillies but I think he he's he's I think he's ready. I think he's ready for this next time around to do whatever's necessary to help him be successful and I think he'll do it so we're sending in the words of wisdom always get better. I think a lot of times it's professionals you start the season with out the intention of getting better as the season progresses. You know you always continue to work on your weaknesses as the season progresses that that would be my vice so Kobe tyrod good for Kobe now. Do I believe deep down inside somewhere. That Kobe probably still thinks it soft of course I do without a doubt right. There's no question Cindy. That's the case however I think as you get older right time goes by you learn. You know what I don't need to cause any grief for this dude. He's already dealt with enough. I'm good plus. My agent is the general manager. If I say anything anything negative is just going to cause a bigger stir because I'm Kobe Bryant exact. There's no need for any of that stuff. 'cause everybody's. GonNa come after him. Oh Colby is it true you believe Duct Doc Dwight and then I'm sure Kobe himself doesn't want that attend or anything no business smart choice. He does not want any of the talk show fodder. He doesn't want US talking about it and debating it for a week I take and Stephen a you know what I'm saying. He doesn't need any of that stuff like that to him. He's just like Bro. I I've been in this game. Were you long. I ain't giving anyone any material and that's smart. I wouldn't give anyone any material either so good on Koby. Look it's part of Shaq's brand to be playful and kind of you know a little petty sometimes and now that Koby can't be petty either but Koby is clearly clearly at this stage more of the adult in the room right it feels like even when they were both on the Lakers. I think Kobe was more adult. UH perhaps yeah I I think you could say that. Shack is always been kind of a big kid and I mean that as a compliment but sometimes that also means that you know he'll take the playful jabs a little bit too far but yeah Kobe did the right thing because you end up on I take and it becomes a topic for a week. Does that whole does that you do you do that. Let's not let's not going to twist it. I love you but you do and I don't blame you. 'cause I do the same thing. Actually I probably have done the same thing so there's definitely some of that so good good on Kobe. I love the Anthony Davis stuff. I need to get to that. This is kind of almost too short a segment to do it because I kind of want to do deep dive on Anthony Davis Anthony Davis has called out Lebron but he's kind of taking in charge a little bit which I like you know when you're dealing with an Alpha. You need to be an Alpha back towards that. Alpha and I think that's something you know. People say that's something you've got. You're just born with now. I think you can grow into that role so we'll get into that. We'll do that in a few minutes but let me get to Kevin Durant speaking of Alpha's and Betas and all that kind of stuff like my boyfriend. He prince likes to say Alpha Beta Omega but Kevin Durant apparently did a interview with the Wall Street Journal and in this interview with the Wall Street Journal he takes a swipe at Oklahoma City because all you know they're fake look at the way they treated me when I came back. Let me ask you a question. When you break up with somebody now. Sometimes it's amicable Michael right but even if it's amicable is still not one hundred percent cool. No never is right like maybe after years. I have gone by a different story. You know what I mean like but in the moment there's always something even if it's a little bit something of course especially if you're still travelling in the same aimed circles and in this particular case in this example. That's what Kevin Durant is doing now. This analogy was brought up to Kevin Durant on twitter and he's I wo- you acting like we were even dating stupid stop. You were there for seven years. You know what I mean like you. Were dating. You were super happy happy. You were the one saying you know that you weren't going to be Lebron. Lebron left to Miami and then you did the thing that Lebron on did but did the twice well and didn't do it as well right now. The results were the same he got two championships out of it but ah Lebron got respect when he left when he was done by the time he won the first one in Miami they were they were still villainous but but people were more like. Oh Yeah we have accepted it. Yeah we were like we like them now. Wish that started to shift. That never happened with durant. No it's weird too because he's sounds like you you never he never did anything like Lebron. Did where it's like you went and somewhere in announced to the world where he's going to go. Durant just basically went and did it the right way but no one ever gives him love. It's always Katie and Katie end and it's just it's weird and that's what another thing he brought up. He was upset about the way that that played out that not oh well. Why does it always has to be Kadian the warriors I wanted to join a family I wanted to be part of a group and this that and the other well look. Here's the other thing part of that is also on him to write. He also was the guy that sometimes is behind. The scenes would say some stuff about his teammates and that stuff will get put in print so as much as he laments the media. There were things that I know that he said about teammates that got put out there and then he tries to be like who me I would never do that heavens to betsy as he grabs his clutches coaches is pearls on his neck. Come on like we know how the game is played right. Some of this stuff doesn't just come out of thin air in these situations especially from beat reporters. I'm GonNa let you behind the curtain a little bit here in the business. If a beat reporter is reporting it. Here's how you know more times than not almost ought not not all the time because sometimes people get things wrong but more times than not. It's pretty accurate because that person has to be facing those people every single day. It's not like the random random twitter person that has like eight followers that says Oh yeah I heard Katy say the correct even though occasionally that's been right to easily and it goes both ways occasionally the beat reporters get it wrong and occasionally but following twitter. The difference is there's ramifications. If a B- writers reporting something okay there are ramifications because they are around the team all the time and they got a deal with that they gotta deal with these people face to face so usually when those guys are reporting stuff. There's there's a lot of truth to it and by the way it just feels like to me and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm the only one that it feels this way about durant and I want to get to the Anthony Davis Lebron stuff in the next segment plus the rams big weekend but it just feels like when I read that Wall Street Journal piece. I got less clarity about who he wants to be. He's complaining about working in the NBA okay and he doesn't love the pilots well. That's real life man not every every job that is in the quote unquote limelight. It has positives and negatives to it. There's there's pros and cons to that stuff. Everything at the end of the day is a job right. You know at at the end of the day you know the actors who gave me a million dollars. It's the job and whether or not they're super passion in about it comes a time where you know it's just every everything just kind of pas on just like all right you know. I don't like and I get it but with durant. It's he has more power to like like kind of step back away from just kind of be quiet and just do his thing and I thought Jalen Jacoby Today on their show on TV on ESPN. Two did a really good job of discussing that. It seems like he's always he wants the media focus on with the basketball aspect of it and not the drama and all this but there's a part of me. It's like Katie you play pick up like if you love love the game so much you can play the game and you can leave all politics and all the executives and everything behind but you're not gonna get your hundred dollars correct. There's there's checks he gets from. NBA But then there's checks he gets it's because of his like in endorsements and if you don't like the media and maybe you shouldn't star something called boardroom that is media-led lead driven about your circumstances that Oh yeah how about that on ESPN plus -scribed ESPN plus. It's only four ninety nine a month and you you know November. You can get it in a bundle with Hulu and Disney plus. There's I mean there's so much stuff with Kevin durant contradicting just I I don't get it like he's clearly still trying to figure out who he is and what his voices like. It's just all over the place that's my problem like Lebron. Found is voice many years ago and it really it started with winning the championship and then Trayvon Martin like that whole era like that range from Trayvon Martin to winning the championship. He found his voice durant has a voice. I just don't know what direction he wants that voice to be headed. You know like I I don't get it. Speaking voices uses voices are important especially with your kids man. What's the game plan tonight with your kids sports fans well. Here's an idea do what we do man talking rating singing it changes everything go to. I Five California Dot Dot Com to learn more. We've got two kids now. We've started this with my daughter. She's the oldest she's five now. She's in kindergarten. We do it with my son who is about to turn one years one year old now we talked to them. We sing to them my daughter at five. She can sing all the different songs on the radio. She can tell you what the titles are. She knows the lyrics each and every day with her. I asked her before she goes to the bed but doing this for years. Hey what's the best part of your day was the favorite part of your day the best part of your day today and she'll tell me. I was this I did at school or you know this my brother did this mommy or whatever or or something do it. You know that's what you need to do. You need to get those brain's working very quickly. We do it with the baby to we sing to him. We play music on the IPHONE. just off my I tunes tunes or Apple Music or whatever and man. I'm telling you get the brainwaves going. Get all those things go in early because you can't start early enough and we didn't know what we were doing as parents man you you just don't know because the first time parents and sometimes every kid is different like my son is different than my daughter and you got to do things differently but going to. I Five California Dot Com taught us everything we need to know and it can do the same for you so talking reading singing. It changes everything man. Find out what we found out by going. I Five California Dot Com. That's I the number number. Five California Dot Com to learn more right hand the dodgers seven straight division titles it is official now around all right all right all right good stuff so the AH finish off the orioles and now it's just kind of figuring out what's happening in the rest of the teams fall and who wind up facing correct correct just kind of figuring that that's Jesse by the way if you haven't recognized the voice. I'm sorry I should've mentioned that earlier. Hello everyone so you're elicited. Caspian Los Angeles so yeah so it's a good day for the dodgers. I think we all kind of expected this. It was just a matter of time but they have clinched inched pretty early on There's only nineteen more days. I think left in the season but that's still a long time. Clinton almost three weeks before before the season's over better than last season will re kind of collapsed in September that was two seasons ago because last year they had the eighteen and twenty nine start if you recall correctly yeah so they had they were in it in they had to fight their way into it two years ago right is when they had the the terrible collapse and so that's right yeah yeah yeah so that's Kinda the situation they're in but hey it's just easy now. Just come take a breath and just right exactly kickback. Have I said Russia were maybe a little Vino. Hang out at the house. Enjoy it and be good so anyway speaking of being good. Yo California football is good. The raiders won the Rams Won. The chargers won on the niners won. All California teams undefeated one. I mean balling this past weekend. So now the chargers got lucky but sometimes better to be lucky than good. He's act and you get more point. Is that going to Terry missed. A bunch of field goals made me wonder is Adam venit terry done because that would feel weird. I mean he's also like fifty nine years old. It feels like the rams now. That is a hell of a win you win on the road at Carolina against one of the top five live defenses in the league at least under my estimation Cam Newton Company. They're going to run the ball. McCaffrey was great. They've got some weapons and DJ more in Curtis Samuel by the way shut to Meena condoms who said I think it was Friday. She was on the show with us and she said Dj more the wide receiver for the panthers is really good but he's got little case of the fumbles and boom he fumbled gave the rams and opening their show the only bad news obviously Eric. Well see what happens there with Weddell. He had to leave the game show but I thought the rams look good. I thought talk girly look good and what people are. GonNa say Hoon ruin them in the end zone and band. Malcolm Brown got the touchdowns right people. We know the people that had him on their fantasy team right. This is but that's grateful. That's what this is all about most times when people are complaining not all the time because some move your real fans and I and I appreciate that but most times it's people complaining because they had todd Gurley on their fantasy team and they wanted the touchdowns for him now. Some of US are smart and decided to take Malcolm Brown and Darryl Henderson on their fantasy team now I didn't. I wasn't able to get girly because there's a keeper league and somebody who has girly but I did take both his handcuffs. That's called strategy but anyhow but I the girls look good at golf. Look good. I thought everyone one look really good. Sean mcvay clearly getting the tight end involving be scored a touchdown at I. I like this week one. It's basically the preseason for most of these guys because nobody played in the preseason but yet they go on the road and get a big win and here's the other thing. The rams under Sean McVeigh have been phenomenal on the road. That is a testament to good coaching. I appreciate you buttering me up your your welcome shot. That is is like you winning on the road. That's hard man in any sport but particularly in football were homefield. Advantage plays a big factor in college pros. I it just it plays a huge role so I love the fact that not only do they seem like they're always prepared everywhere but just on the road they have a different level of focus and attention to detail and all those things are the types of things that championship level teams do so if you're worried about the super bowl hangover or any of that stuff. I still think this rams team wins about ten games. Maybe eleven games got a tough schedule especially considering. What's what's coming next weekend right. You've got the saints coming in bit of a revenge game. The saints played a hell of a game in a comeback against the Houston Texans who are also very good team. I think they've got all the motivation in the world to take out the rams and they know they're getting a lot of questions. Everyone is going to be talking about what the Hell happened in the NFC championship game this past year so there's a lot of stuff there there to kind of dive into so but those great win for the rams much like I thought they opened the show a great win for the raiders and I didn't think the raiders are Gonna be able to pull that off because I didn't know what to expect defensively from them but the offense went about as you know with what I expected at twenty four points. They look pretty good in the run game particularly with Josh Jacobs Young Man is certainly versatile in the backfield and then the niners now the niners. Were like a gambling darling this weekend. Can there was a lot of gamblers hot on the niners this weekend. you know yours truly might've decided to for entertainment purposes only go in on the niners but it was good week if you're California if you love California Football Football Football and USC which I want to get to a little bit we're GonNa we'll we'll touch on that in a bit like thirty five minutes to get like more of a detailed appreciation of because Adam Amin who called the game will join us and then we'll get into a kirk on the back end of the show in the last hour kirk is GonNa stop by as well but look if you're not in on keeping Slovaks Right now and I know you're all looking at that and saying. Oh man this is Sam Darnold Redux. I mean I I. I don't know I'm ready to go there but I get why you'd go there. I get it and I. I don't know if people are going to love hearing this and I am not little. You've listened to me long enough. I've been here three years. You know what's up. I'm not the overreact guy and the newest thing is the greatest thing guy but I think he might be a better fit than jt Daniels. I look I don't know so if I'm completely overreacting but just it just looks like it's clicking more seamlessly with him so we'll get into into more detail with those guys about USC the Lynn Swann situation. You know what I don't feel like anyone around here before I get to Anthony Davis and Lebron. I don't feel like anyone anyone around here is going to miss the Lynn Swann era. He sang his swansong. Yeah look at that. I see what you did there. excellent job out of you. Thank you yeah. I'm looking for something appropriate it's been a minute used that don't agree with that again. You have to watch brought to your opinion on that deck in awhile so yeah I mean it didn't feel like Lynn was all in on the job right. Let's face it. I mean Ah people complained about Pat Hayden but Hayden may have made some mistakes but I don't think anyone was questioning his work ethic ethic by any stretch of the imagination whereas with Swan you know people were mad that he was doing the autograph signings and other places. They're like Yo the the schools in shambles right now like what are you doing and I don't care because Lynn Swann is all of famer and he should take advantage of that and all that stuff but I do think that there is a priority ready right like you should prioritize that stuff and it just you know that wasn't a good look clearly. He wasn't administrator wasn't someone who had been used to hiring processes that it takes at schools because look I know that. USC Football is what drives as the car here but you still got to hire all the other stuff you know you gotta make sure all the other stuff and those trains are running on done so I do think that at least he had the self awareness to be like you know what this is probably not for me and I'm good with that so I think think everyone for. The most part is okay with it. I I did find it fascinating that the new president of USC basically put out a a call out on in the newspaper and on their website and on their social media till hey if you guys have suggestions us for who the next day de should be oh man. I would love to read some of those responses email us at this this address and it is a real address. Yes I want to find the exact email address. Arash Markazi had it on his rush tweeted it out. Can you find what the actual email addresses yeah Gotcha because my my guess is that probably didn't go well because that email inbox is probably just flooded with all sorts of nonsense. I got it okay go. It's it's a D. search at USC DOT EDU okay eighty search at USC DOT EDU pretty simple to remember my guess is there's a lot of nonsense in that inbox but that doesn't mean that there aren't actual suggestions that make a lot of sense so just just looking at twitter at Kazaa. Ross tweeted that out last week the first tweet through two responses his twitter responses one higher. OJ Oh come on Lori Loughlin or low or no come on their one snoop. Dogg is only logical choice choice here. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm sure that email has been flooded with a lot without a doubt yeah so anyhow I mean I might as well put my name in that yeah for all. We know someone's name in the hat already. Maybe if what if you have someone sent an email I'm in an enough enough Joyce Donaldson there the my taking his take you seriously I mean listen. Let's face it. I probably have more qualifications. Lynn Swann does at least I know people in College Football Football Igor working. Currently that's true. It's it's more of a I felt like Lynn. Swann was just like the big name but he didn't really do as much I I've actually covered college athletics early in my career and many of the people I covered are still working in either football or basketball or baseball so I probably do at least have enough knowledge and I know enough people where I could just Kinda seek their knowledge. Look I actually think being in a D isn't as hard as one would think you you just have to be a good delegator and also be willing to listen I. You can't act like you know it all know. I know I try to do that sometimes. I shouldn't say I try to do that. Sometimes it comes across cross that way on the radio because I'm doing a radio show where I have to a pine but I do listen to your feedback. I started the damn show. Tell the story about the guy who called me out on the raiders and I gave him love and I said you know what I did. poop on the raiders a little bit on Friday. 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Maybe like a Taco truck. Is the move like I don't know if there's going to be like a Taco place open at that point like other than like you know chain places I know is your spot right here off. Olympic and hoover called El El Nino Yeah. I used to go there all the time my daddy close until like three M okay. That's a good spot and he got all the tacos kind of sack said yes. Is it walking distance now. You probably have to take your car. I don't think it's walking talking disc okay yeah that becomes part of the challenge but there's the TACO truck right across the street from the movie theater balanced good too yeah solid. It's not my favorite but it's it's fine. You know what I'm saying like. It's fine. The California Burrito has a French fries in it yeah. I'm not big on that. Though no yeah I mean I don't need any French inch rise to be. I I it's funny. I grew up loving French fries and then you realize how bad French fries are for you. As you grow up as an adult a lot of that happens as an adult you learn a lot of things are not that great for you you do and I learned that too but I still eat them. They're just too good yeah. I try my best to to just not do fries as often and when I saw when I do it I wanNA make sure like I'm enjoying it if I do. I want to enjoy it with like the traditional stuff like a burger or something. Maybe like steak fries steak blade. You rate your best. Fries is fast food stuff. I mean McDonald's still probably is the king of fries you know I don't love in and outs fries as as much as I like getting announced burgers in and outs burgers are amazing. I'll give you that the fries just I it just fresh. That's why I like them. They are fresh yes. I like that aspect of it but I I just feel like the taste isn't as great I can yeah. I'll give you that you know the definitely. The burgers are without a nominee gets. It's the Burger Fried Combo. That's that's that makes. It gained especially need. 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Oh Man yes so the dodgers become the first team to secure a spot in the twenty nineteen postseason so you know dodger doing a good thing you think dodgers will reach the Braids Record Fourteenth Street. I mean they had good spot. They have a great window because they've got a lot of great young players cody bellinger's an MVP candidate right Walker bueller will be a CY young candidate. I think for years to come out Cory Seger. I mean we've got all these young guys. Go and whatnot whatever agent like you know under the radar pickup all of a sudden booms it will I it was Justin Turner Down Max Muncie Chris Taylor. It seems like whoever comes to. La There's just something that awakes in them and they you know become the the reach their peak the full potential yeah and they've been dominant man. They've been dominant this year but yeah because of all those young guys though that is the real reason their windows going to be so long so yeah. I think they can not only rival the braves dare. I say they may be able to beat it like just depending on on health. Really I think is the bigger issue because Andrew Friedman and company have clearly shown that they are bad asses at building a baseball team and they know how to hold on a players or trade players they play it super smart and and it's it's I wanna be. I WanNa know how it is what the think when it comes to like these trade deals or these signings because it hasn't doesn't feel like they've really made a really really bad move. No it's funny Brian. Kevin Eski was in here a few months ago. We're doing the afternoon show and we looked. He found the list of the guys that Andrew Friedman the prospects Andrew Andrew Freeman actually traded and very few of them if any have actually amounted to anything so he keeps the right ones and then he trades the ones that aren't as good as you think. They're gonNA entity so it's amazing yeah. He's he's brilliant dude like I. There is not a basketball shoes. There's not an executive in this town and there's looking I think less need and and mcvay are really good but I don't know if there's anyone smarter per se than Andrew Friedman at what he does likes need and mcvay a right there with them but I don't know if they're smarter than him. Freeman has longer track record likes need and mcvay are showing showing it now but they still have to kind of keep that momentum going to reach that well unless I forget Friedman was able to do that with an temporaries to got into the world series with it's crazy and that was like their peers now it's since he left the Evan really done any job they've been good but not great right like a lot of the guys that he worked with are still there they've been in solid but they haven't reached those type heights yeah for sure because back then Evan Longoria I mean they they made they were the first team to wrap up a young guy with arbitration eighteen years like that like it was just insane. He was so ahead of the curve at that point and that's what he continues to do just like super ahead of the curve even with the dodgers and it doesn't always jive jive with what fans what but. I think it's hard to argue with the results at this point man like think about it even last year. I mean after the rough start a lot of that was due to injury more than anything else. They missed more games on the disabled. Is I think than any team in the National League last year so and yeah it took until you know game 163 to earn the division title but they were still able to do it and you know two years ago. They did it in game one forty six so this year they did it even earthier than that which is pretty insane so you're seeing by the pattern that they're going. They're just GONNA the clincher earlier and earlier every year. Well I don't know about that. Let's slow down. It's still a hundred and sixty two games. 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Episode 6- The 10 Biggest Mistakes People Make With Their Money

The Financial Liberty Podcast

44:30 min | 1 year ago

Episode 6- The 10 Biggest Mistakes People Make With Their Money

"Welcome to the financial liberty podcast until you wake up from the American dream, financial uncertainty will be your American reality. Join Sam Legaspi and Cosa Komodo and their guests as they explore how you can attain financial liberty by uncovering truths. That have been kept secret. For decades have you ever played a game. And didn't know the rules. How can you ever win? Learn the rules to the game and intern learn how to win now onto the show. Hello and welcome to the financial liberty project with Sam Legaspi and Co's Sukhum Oto today. We are talking about money, and I'm just gonna head over to the guys because they are ready to go. Sam and Cho's. Good morning. How are you? Good morning. Being the financial game for over two decades. I like myself to a scientist, you know, in a lab that I've tested and experimented in so many things and things that work and things that didn't work experiment of financial success is an ongoing one that probably never really get solved. But I will say that through these many years of saying what works versus what doesn't I figured that? There are many commonalities that separate the successful retiree from the non successful retiree success is measured by how much money you have the quality of life. You live in the legacy. You're able to leave not only to your kids, but your grandkids and future generations as well. So today, I've got my trusty right hand man, co Suka Komodo to help me discuss the topic for today, which happens to be the ten biggest mistakes people make with their money. How are you coz on doing great here? Just watching the weather come down in the form of precipitation, and you know, what out here in the west. Gotta have that water. It's it's good for the economy. It's good for the soul. So I'm happy for that. As like chicken soup for the soul is water. Yeah. So we got the ten biggest you said mistakes that people make NAN. Like I'm from Canada today. Yeah. Yeah. That should be me since I got a bunch of hockey players, but about so, you know, because the world constantly leaves these clues for us to find in decipher and and oftentimes these clues will often be the keys getting all the things in life that we've ever wanted. But sometimes we just don't see the clues nor do we choose to see the clues. And the one thing I learned is I make a lot of mistakes, and I learned from them, of course. But I'd rather wherein from other people's mistakes when you absolutely, you know, it's kind of an interesting thought because. Money in law. Places is a taboo, subject people will talk about money, but they won't talk often. A honestly about money a typical example, right Sam as you go to the water cooler at work, right, everyone, there will brag about how much money they've made in their retirement assets or vestments that they have. But when they have that bad day with a lose allot mum's the word they won't appear at the water to there. So I kinda like in this show too. You know, it's like like the tabloid on money. Right. You hear the things that people don't wanna talk about like what they what they didn't do. Right. And there's a lot of lessons learned here through this show, so listeners that can't think of this as a tabloid of money in a tabloid money than the Enquirer of money. And you know, the reality is is that we only outlined ten, but I can tell you, you know, for being around for so long coz for you know, for over two decades for us combined close to three decades a little over three. I got jelly. I mean, we could probably create a list of fifty things that I'll absolutely you know. And I think that list is keeps growing by the week. And it was hard. You know, it was really hard to actually create just ten because I know we have limited time. And and I wanted to go ahead and compress everything into this workshop or to this podcast. And and you know with no further do because our time is limited. I figured we try to get through the ten because I'll tell you if people know who you, and I are we're gonna laborat- on each and every single one of these were just not going to go ahead and define it in and set and define it and move onto the next one rush gonna talk a little bit about it. So when no further let's start with number one. I think this is a big one goes not saving enough money. You know, that seems to be one of the biggest things is that people when they make that mistake when they look back, and they they they're five ten years down the road there. Well into retirement, they wish they probably stocked away a lot more money. And you know, what I like to say about that. As sometimes we run into people that that say, you know, I wish I had half a million or you know, you gotta get the six hundred thousand seven hundred fifty thousand and you, and I we always say that the endgame being beat the amount of money. You accumulate is a very important part of the equation. But it's not one of the most important parts. All-be-it very important. What's really important is what type of monthly cash flow, do you need? Because once you figure out your monthly cash flow, then you can reverse engineer and figure out at what rate of return. Do you need to generate off of a certain amount to generate that month Yash law? So oftentimes, we'll see people and we'll talk to him. And we'll ask them the questions. How would you? What would you do different? And a lot of times number one. We have. Say well, you know, I I wish I saved a lot more money because we run into people that are in their mid fifties or in their early sixties and to be quite Frank. You know, they're really behind the curve. You know, it's it's a formation of habits. We brush our teeth every day. We hated having to do that. When we were kids better. Parents they told us that's what we have to do. There's no arguments. There's no negotiations you just do it. And if you don't then you get to go the dentist and get needle put in your gums. Well, that's how life is. And that's how saving money is. If you don't create that habit of put money away at a young age. You're gonna have that needle in your gums. It's just it's going to be in your wallet. Instead, it's gonna be a lot more painful. That's a really painful visual a needle in my gums. I remember that now really stung. The needle in the gum trick. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, I had to learn that lesson more than one time. But you know, I mean, San we met a husband and wife a few days ago that, you know, they're one of the success stories, very, you know, they're rare. But you know, they weren't making a tremendous amount of income. They have a respectable occupation. And they've done very very well there, you know, mid forties to mid fifties. Depending on the spouse that you're talking about, but they've done a very good job of just putting money away. And so he made decisions like, you know, if he had to buy tile saw he wouldn't by the the high end one he would buy one from a different store that he knew wasn't as high in quality. But only using the tile Saul once or twice a year. He just you know, he he thought about what you know. What was the appropriate man to spend on something he did bunch tower out his home saved on labor, and multiply that sort of habits so many times and that allowed him to save money on an ongoing. Basis from the you know from this twenties and the same philosophy that is wiped held. And so today, they're just very very successful couple, and they can withstand any storm this coming their way while there's no question that being frugal is very very very important. And and in in speaking about that couple, I think I I know who you're speaking of if I'm not mistaken one of them. I think it was the wife kept a budget and was very religious about that budget was a monthly budget was zero budget that they they had if I'm not if I'm not mistaken, they started budget when they got married twenty some odd years ago twenty nine years ago, I think it was and in his very important because it it showed me immediately that they are financially interested they're invested in their financial future because they wanted to know where each and every single penny and nickel went, and those type of individuals are disa- calming, this society are pretty rare, sadly, not because a lot of times, you know, what we're we're given electoral. Or workshop in we asked people who have a monthly budget in here by show hands and very rarely do we actually see any hands go up. And so is really nice to see that. Because that told us right there at that particular moment that you know, it's not necessarily going to be an uphill climb for us to help these individuals reach what whatever they wanted to go and reach and they cared. They genuinely cared about their hard earned money. You can just see that they just stewards. They have a good relationship with money, and it all began with savings. And so, you know, this message falls on a lot of deaf ears. We can tell people till the blue in the face that they need to save money. And they're just not gonna do it. Because they don't care these people, you know, in contrast had a lot of care for not just their money, but their family, and where it was gonna lead them. And that was again, you know, almost thirty years with that decision rail anyway, so let's move on. And so after say after number one not saving enough money and these divisions wish they did. Save a lot more money people in general, I should say number two is one of the other biggest mistakes people make is that. They don't get outta debt soon enough. And I get it. You know, a lot of people get into debt soon as they get married by home with one another. They have a car they have to cars and and a yacht a furnace a home. So they run up dead, and he got kids, and to be quite honest with you how society works now days, it's sort of a norm to have debt, but what we've taught within two individuals is that having dead is not a good thing. And and we get a lot of individuals from time to time disagree with us in say debt is necessary. And you gotta keep debt. Going leverage is good borrow other people's money. But when it comes to retirement, you don't necessarily want to have to work for another company. And what I mean by that is is I I was in conversation long ago and this person who worked for the aerospace industry was asked. Hey, where do you work? And he also said what he said, I not only work for the space industry, but I worked for WalMart. I worked for target. I worked for Chevron. Mobile and we were all clueless won the world. I mean, you work for so many places and he said, well, no not really just that. I work to go ahead and pay off those cards. So essentially, he said that he was working for those places because he had to pay the credit card debt that he became a master repeat. It's and so, you know, oftentimes goes we see people, and they make that big mistake, and it's really difficult to to be thinking about retirement, if you've got about one hundred hundred fifty or two hundred or even fifty thousand dollars accumulates, that's really interesting story Sam because if you think about it another way to to to view that is out of the forty our work week, how many hours would you like to work? So that it's for yourself. So you already know a big part of the week is working for the IRS and working for the state that taxes you and solicit say thirty the week goes to that or more. And now, you you're also paying sales tax, and you're paying taxes in California every time you yet to get. Yes, you're having to pay for additional taxes that's worse than other states. And so now you. Go in the debt as you were talking about. Now, you're working for you know, all the gas companies you work in for the credit card companies, you're working for the department stores because you've got fifteen credit cards. And so how many hours are now? Are you left working for little yourself, and your family is you know, I won't be surprised if there's a lot of Americans that are literally working maybe one to five hours a week. Yeah. Bright with ninety. Because what the average American spends more than what they may go. They're probably working for all these companies, and and they're working for their kids, you know, college high school, but also their insurance their phone. They're working for a so AT and T Hisen. They're working for General Motors ally. They're working every Ralph's, right? You know, it's insidiously gentlemen. Because again, it's a happy. It's a bad habit. Where led to believe that it's perfectly the norm to be in debt. We can't get a car that we like we just go ahead and borrow we can fog Amarah. We got a little bit of income. We can qualify for alone. And so guess what takes you five years to pay off that car and then after the five years what you wanna go buy another car, see repeat the cycle. So if you're paying paying five hundred bucks a month to sustain your car habit in you magin, how much you would have in retirement after thirty forty years if you put five hundred dollars away in retirement instead of car all the time. So you just need to buy car cash. If it means that you have to buy something secondhand us. That's fine. There's guitars out there, and you get a much better deal. Yeah. We can talk about debt until we're blue in the facing kicking yourself on radio show his Radha time. But let's let's move on Sam. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that could be a podcast for future. It's benefactor's gonna be another podcast dedicated completely to debt, and y you gotta stay away from it. So going back to number three of the ten biggest mistakes people make with money is that, you know, here's one thing. This is interesting coz and thinking about this is people leaving the workforce too early. You know, we know a lot of people they have a severance or they're being given a an opportunity to leave the company through a buyout of some sort. And what ends up happening is. They actually look at that as as retirement, and they're looking at as a opportunity to just say goodbye to the workforce. And you know, what they're only fifty fifty one years old is still have a mortgage. They still have have children that they've got. Take your of and put him through school. They've got credit card debt. They've got automobile loans. But then yet for some reason another they feel that they've gotten the green light to say goodbye to the workforce. And oftentimes, we'll see this, and you know, these individuals they utilize a word retirement in a manner, which probably shouldn't be all that appropriate because they really aren't retired. They just been given an opportunity to take some money that was given to him by the company or their retirement that they put away for themselves in the form of four one K, and they're given an opportunity to find another position to earn money. And but oftentimes what we see is that we see people saying goodbye to the workforce. And and it really shouldn't necessarily be the case. Because after again about ten or fifteen years oftentimes, you'll hear people say, I shouldn't have laughed. Well, sometimes people are forced leave. Whether that's the case or not the numbers tell you what you have to do. So if you don't have enough in retirement. To justify not working than you know. It's pretty simple than you have to find another job or start a business anything to create income until you get your numbers to a point where you are satisfactorily wealthy enough to like of of an income producing, you know, activity called job or business. Now, we've had Sam we know we talked to people and we've seen what they what they done is some of them have acknowledged that they need to work, but they'll await like two years to look for job because they feel like they're sitting on top of ATM machine in the form of pension that they receive from the company that asan's leave and and they'll go spend that down. So I guess that's a different issue. But it's you're absolutely right. You've gotta know your timing. You've gotta know your number. And you've gotta know whether that number justifies, the timing that you're, you know, emotionally thinking that you wanna take as as early retirement in. You know, another thing that came up is in. It's been recently is that we've been encountering some people that have been told that their services are no longer needed at the company, and a lot of individuals are very very upset with regards to that decision. Even though Binatli they're in a position to leave that company and oftentimes right coz, we see people that are well into their seventies. And they're still working, and that's great. That's actually awesome. But you know, what's really interesting about all this is that, you know, ever since we were young there's this human behavior that we have to feel relevant in the workforce. And now thinking about this because we were in a meeting this past week. And you know, we were talking to a person, and it was very clear that they were in a position where life was going to treat them very well or the remaining, you know, one third of their life. They just make the right choices of new the right things and take that path of being diligent. However, they were really upset with what was transpiring in a lot of it's because you know, like, you said about five minutes ago is that there are habits. We wake up, and we have a habit of going to work and these habits all of a sudden get taken away. But also there's another habit that how'd that habit of relevance. We all want to remain relevant. And it's kinda like that movie Shawshank, Redemption, it's a prison movie. And I think it was Morgan three. Yeah. Yeah. He was a he was the the lead character named red. And he made a statement that that referred to leaving the prison an individual leaving the prison versus stay inside the prison. And he said that you know, personally, the prison is just a nobody on the outside. He has he has served his time. He was eligible leave any didn't know would be comfortable leaving because he didn't know what to do right right out of his element. And he's out of his element any defined that as outside on the outside. He's really nobody. But on the inside he was relevant. He was a very important man, and so individuals they are a lot of times they have restraint leaving a company and so difficult for them to retire a lot of times because on the inside there. Relevant. They spent twenty five thirty years in that position. People look up to them to for answers on certain things to a degree. They are leader they are mentor to others. And it's it's something that again, we we all strive for in human lives in human nature is looking for relevance. So it's pretty interesting. I just thought I go throw that up knows a little bit off the topic. But so that's number three number three moving on. And number four of our ten biggest mistakes that people make with money as his a pretty obvious one. But it really is an obvious. Is they they don't account for the obvious and the not so obvious in retirement. Meaning that a lot of people when they save any five thousand bucks to live off of bit don't understand that five thousand dollars net is really about seven or seventy five hundred dollars gross. So they don't account for taxes. They don't necessarily count for Latian, and they don't account for medical costs going forward. 'cause you know this. You know, this goes is that the average person when retired in starting around seventy they spend anywhere between two hundred two hundred fifty thousand out of pocket medical expenses. So if you don't have that in your portfolio right now, you're gonna be mandated go ahead and spend at one particular point in your life. And you've gotta get that going on. So a lot of people don't account for the obvious things that will be coming their way in retirement. That's a reality check. But. Yep, -solutely, right. And and here's another thought that might be kind of stench of that is so let's say you have a retirement plan and that plan was produced. During good times, meaning the market's going up and up and up, and you think you can withdraw certain amount every month. And then the economy changes the market changes. And now you're going through recession the plan doesn't justify that you necessarily maintain the same pace withdrawals. You may have to scale back. You may have to go into your budget and figure out where to cut some costs because times aren't so good. And so, you know, there needs to be a sense of reality. And it's a little bit disappointing to see sometimes people can alight hang onto the emotional. You know, their their dreams of living at certain life down matter. What happens, but the reality can be different and have to be realistic. And you know, what it's okay to have that particular lifestyle if you plan for it. And that's the other part two is that a lot of times. What goes on is that we'll get individuals speaking to us going. Hey, you know, what goes can I have a meeting like all right? Right. Great. And you say, well, hey, so give me, you know, tell me a little about yourself. And he's well, the guy tells you, well, yeah, I'm going to be leaving my company after about thirty five years old really when you going gonna do that. Because I'm doing that tomorrow say, okay? Or I've already done it. What are you gonna do? Right. What are you gonna do? It's going to be really difficult to to really plant or something of that nature. When when he's only giving you twenty four hours to plan the rest of his life. That's yeah. Longest vacation in the world. It's called retirement and a lot of people get kicked off the cruise ship are too early because of poor planning or lack of their of. Yeah. Sometimes they don't necessarily get kicked off the actually take themselves off. They just don't know it. Yeah. They take big swan dive off the edge of that boat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not funny. But it it happens far too often. Now, just planning it's all it is is just planning and in when you move on number five of our topic today. People wish they didn't spend crazily after their decision to retire. That's a big one because we know a lot of people, you know, friends, we know colleagues. We know a lot of individuals that would really like their ten years back because they're thinking shoot, I got that money ten years ago and. I really shouldn't have taken my entire family Europe. And when they talking about their entire family. They're talking about their their three kids plus their spouses, and grandchildren, and they wish they didn't spend twenty five or thirty thousand bucks to take off knowing that they only had about four hundred thousand dollars to begin with. And remember coz would number four they pull out thirty thousand that meant they really handed pull out Ryan. And again, it's right. And it's a function again of what your number is. So if you're sitting on, you know, a hundred million dollars, you know, paying for trip to Europe for all for the family for the whole family in and it costing fifty thousand dollars is not a big deal. But if you're not in that category. Let's say you only have a million dollars doing that. May you know, you may want to raise your eyebrow Lee question if that's the right decision. So again, it's a function of what your number is when I say number I'm talking about your retirement nest egg, right? Right. Right. Your retirement nest egg. And we talk about this one of the seven rules to finance. Title success Nansha liberty is knowing your number. And if you need fifty thousand or sixty thousand a year to live off of that equates five thousand dollars a month before taxes than you. Gotta figure out what amount of money. Do you need to have in the account at what interest rate or what rate of return that will generate that amount of income for you? And it would be sustainable needs to be sustainable. In other words, you can't say, well, I just need to my hundred thousand dollars knee. I need sixty thousand dollars every year. And I have one hundred thousand dollars saved. I need a sixty percent rate of return every single year order for me to maintain my lifestyle. That's just not gonna work. So it's gotta be a sustainable rate and disdain -able type of income. So that that seems to be because we see it a lot of times coz at the lottery affect a lot of times is that people retire, and they have in their hands probably the largest check that they will ever receive in their entire life and. And as we know the lottery fact, typically within two or three years people win the lottery, they end up losing all and you know, what we find a lot is that when people retire. They always wanna have that one thing that the always wished they had and we've seen it we've seen people take lavish cruises lavish travels about abeam his and her BMW Mercedes Benzes. And they wish they didn't do that ten years down around and it's nothing like buying expensive depreciated assets require maintenance. But a that's just me. You know, I just wish went back to the society of riding bikes. Walking. Twenty miles to work through the snow. Snowing. Rain howard. So what's the next one Sam? All right drawn social security, and you know, a lot of times Cho's is at sometimes we'll draw so security or people will draw social security, but there's a there's some rules that you need to know. And again, we talked a lot of people, and they say I wish I knew those rules, man. I love about government. Sam got so many rules. You know, I think rules are set up. So that we can trip on them and they get penalized. Right. Isn't that how the government makes money? Hey, I'm not trying to be a skeptic hear anything negative. It's just reality. And so we got learn how to play the game of money got rules. We gotta be on top of them. So that's why you're listening to us anyway. So yes, so security, right. So what are some of the some of the states that people make well, you know, I say majority of the mistakes are just not knowing when to take it a lot of people don't realize understanding you can take the earliest age sixty two. It's going to be discounted amount. Let's say twenty five to thirty percent penny on Yonne circumstances. But. By delaying. It let's say until the full retirement age, which is typically between sixty six sixty seven depending on your birth year. Euchre would in a sense guarantee. I hate using the word guarantee because that can kill people in trouble. But the government says you can increase your your your benefits six percent year by delaying it until full retirement age, which again is between sixty six and sixty seven. Furthermore, if you deferred even longer to the seventy which the longest you can go seventy is along as you can go at from full retirement age until the seventy goes about eight percent of year. So we're else. Can you get you know, squad on cool guaranteed returns from the government between six eight percent? So knowing when you know when it takes so security is really something to be thinking about and planning for the question, we get as well wind. Should I take it Cot's and the answer is well when you think you're gonna die, and we get that. Funny expression relic oil, I'm gonna die well well cracking up or they get the actually look at a seriously. Like, did you just really ask me that question? That's true. And it's it's fun getting reactions from people, right? Yeah. But I mean, yeah. I mean there want you explain to them like also coz at a lot of people they'll retire at sixty two they'll they'll take social security, but they're on the impression that they can make as much money as they want in income will. Yeah, there's limitations on how much you can make an income and still, you know, continue taking your benefits. So once you're past the age of full retirement age, which again, depending on your Berthier in be anywhere from sixty six sixty seven years once you're past that point than you can work to your heart's content and not lose any benefits. But if you're deciding to work beyond a certain amount before that age, then you're gonna have some benefits taken away doesn't really get loss as it gets prorated once you get to retirement full retirement age, but you won't be getting as much in benefits as you would if you weren't working so right, basically deduct one dollar for your benefits for every two dollars at your right of the amount of seventeen thousand six hundred forty earning. Come right? So again, he's. You just gotta be on top of it. Right. Right. Right. Well, just like a lot of other things got to be on top of so many things when it comes to money and seven to do did that gets hard to do on your own. So you need to have an expert all along your side to help you. Well, either you hire one or you become one knowing what I know. Now, I probably would never try to manage my own money. If I didn't know what I knew. So we wanted to be out golfing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So for the third time we're gonna go on a number seven here. And we're we're going to finally get into the performance category of our topic. And a lot of times we see this, and they have too much money in one particular stock a lot of times company stock, and, you know, the one thing I wanna make sure I mentioned to people as you take a look at companies like AT and T, for instance, AT and T was down over twenty percent last year in two thousand eighteen the entire map you look at the stock market. Yes. And p five hundred I mean, it was down a little over six percent. But. And yet AT and T was down twenty percent. And then you look at other companies such as PG ni Pacific, Gas and electric. They were down forty percent. General Electric was down over fifty five percent. The district manufacturer tech company. Western Digital was down over fifty three percent. And so even though the general market was down, you know, a reasonable amount. You know, little greater than six percent. You're taking a look at individual stocks. If you work for companies like gas-electric or General Electric, and H T and all your money your entire net worth as far as retirement was concerned tied up in that you wouldn't be very another. That reminds me of an individual we met Sam, we know him. Of course, we mentioned names. But again, this is another story. This is where the tabloid part of our comes into play here. But member that gentlemen, again, we don't mention names that all his retirement he worked at AT and T and every dollar of his retirement and his 4._0._1._K was invested in AT and T stop. And we asked him about this. I sure. You wanna be you know, taking that kind of risk. And he's like, I'm all AT and T I believe in the company, blah, blah, blah, and he just wanted to his own. In fact, a family member of his even worked at a prominent investment banking firm, and whether he was taking advice from that individual or not. But he, you know, stubbornly dis- one to keep all his positions in AT and T and from what we understood he just recently retired. And we, you know, I'm just wondering, you know. Did you take that twenty thirty percent hit in AT and T stock in your retirement plan because you retired right after that happened? So I mean, so I mean, if let's say he had that million dollars in there. Then you know, you're looking at looking at two to three hundred thousand dollars he lost. Yeah. Yeah. We kinda giggled from time to time when we see that because we see a train wreck happening right people. Forget about two thousand eight they forget about what transpired backout when when Lehman went out of business when WorldCom Enron, you know, all these other companies AIG. Had trouble the bake three automobile companies had trouble. They forget that CitiGroup. Went all the way down sub two dollars a share. And so if you allow you went up, well, yeah went out. But if you had your money your entire nest egg just set in that one particular company, you're going to be a lot of trouble. Right. Right. And people always sell. I mean, not always. But a lot of people sale panic at the bottom row. Yeah. So we all know, you know, the the the retail companies or the institution sell to the retail guys to the to the average investor at the top, and the average investors sells their their positions to the institutional guys at the bottom, and as a result, the institutional guys buy low and sell high see the money never goes away. It's still an assistant it just transfers to somebody else. Who's a better equipped better plan, you know, more knowledgeable? So it's a game. So the mine doesn't go away just goes to somebody else. Yes. All right. So moving onto number eight because that was number seven, and you know, this is one making bad. Investment decisions. This seems to be really generic when. But here's the kicker here because we all make bad investment decisions. You know, we all there's not one individual out there. That's made a really good vestment decisions been immune about investment associates. But here's the thing. Most people do not know what type of risk taking when it comes to their portfolio in retirement and a lot of times people take a lot more risk than they should be. And it's one of these these areas where if they understood some of the metrics that were allowed to be utilized to measure their risk. They would be in a better position to understand where they sat when it came to the portfolio, and what I'm talking about these metrics, and we're gonna have a show about this to Cho's is I'm talking about standard deviation. I'm talking about Sharpe ratio. I'm talking about the alpha beta, the are squared and how these pieces of information tied together gives you indication if your portfolio's optimize for risk and the return are you taking way too much risk of or are you taking way too much risk for the return receiving? Because we see coz at that so many people and we've heard this man my buddies making thirty. Yeah, it's the water cooler conversation. Yeah. They're making thirty five percent of my on their money. Why is it? We're only making twelve. And then of course, you know, you look at their portfolio because they've been so gracious enough to go ahead and provide their portfolio, and we kinda like whisper going, hey, do we tell this guy that that he's taken almost one and a half times greater than the market risk? If that thirty five percent, right. I mean, I mean, yeah, this is pretty bad. But then yet is counterpart is taking about fifty percent of the market risk. And as a result is generating very good returns. Because in retirement, you gotta be able to manage that risk. Right. And you said you gotta have the tools in place in order to be able to set to risk. What are those tools? Well. Yeah. Again, it'd be another show, but you mentioned a few alpha standard deviations Sharpe ratio. It's like if you're a cabinet builder cabinet maker trying to build a cabinet with. A measuring tape. You just can't do it you'll build something. But in going to be standing up right for very long. That's why I failed building that. Aw. Man, I use duct tape or it's like trying to golf without arrange finder or having any indication. That's my problem because. Her to knows how many years, I know. Let's go get one or maybe as golfing would just putter the entire around. It was funny thing is I can have a range finder. My score steel to sing. Yeah. Yeah. No, my range finder. Hey, dude was my what's my yardage, man? Anyways. All right. Let's go and move on. We're down last two here and the last two number nine, I think we're at, you know, here's here's what something really interesting toes. Is that a lot of people? I think we kinda touched upon it earlier as a lot of people like the hold onto their trophies in retirement. And we know so many individuals friends colleagues customers whatever might be that really enjoy hold on and that big trophy sometimes car sometime typically at home a nice phone. They've got history. They've put the Thailand themselves, and you know, their kids grew up in it. But laze gentlemen, reality is if it's just you and your spouse living in there, and you've gotta three thousand square foot home, and you're spending most of your time trying to keep it clean back Yuming mopping, and this and that maintenance, and it just goes on and on plus you've got possibly a mortgage payment that still what it was twenty years ago. You know, you're you're paying three four thousand dollars a month on it. It's. Insanity. I mean, if you need eight thousand dollars a month. All right, and they thousand dollars four thousand half of it is in the form of a mortgage. Then you got some issues you've got some issues because we like an to the fact that back in the seventies. When people qualified for homes there wasn't a FICO score per se. So what they basically did is. Hey, let's bring in your paycheck, and we can go and qualify you for one third of your net, take home pay. So if you may three thousand dollars a month net take home, which is really good back. Then you're gonna qualify you for house that would provide one thousand dollars a month in a mortgage payment. And so roughly and safely you can pretty much say that about thirty percent of your take home pay should be in the form of a mortgage. And a lot of times you'll see individuals. They are spending their take home check or their distributions from the retirement account and a half if not more than half of it a lot of times goes straight into the mortgage. And that's just not a very good solution or good formula. And again, as I said earlier in the show, if you have the numbers that can justify having that big a home, even though it's just you and your spouse living in there in this big old mansion, that's fine. Fine as long as you're numbers can justify it. But a large majority of Americans are not in that boat. So, you know, it's you gotta figure out what does make sense to hang onto in terms of trophy the trophy that I keep Sam is the one that wanted martial arts. Remember itch-free, I didn't have to pay for it. Just collects dust, but you know, everyone likes to brag a little bit right while like the brag about one is turn when I was martial. Art. Was that the picture that there's ten kids, and I was like now which ones you 'cause I couldn't tell what do you mean? Why because we all had a dorky looking haircuts. This is late sixties early seventies. Or we all look like Christie herring. All spock. Well for me. It was it was the hippie generation. Right. And I was the one kid that had Disneyland marine haircut. I mean, it was really bad. I had to I remember this girl rubbing her hand on the back of my head. 'cause she wanted know what a fellow like do not heard it on this show. That was my childhood. Wow. I wish I had one of those stories. All right. Number ten of the ten biggest mistakes people make with their money. And this is a big win. Ladies and gentlemen, if I had a drum roll, I would go ahead. And rub it in the back of my head with it. There you go, and it is making family decisions that eat into your nest egg way too much. In other words, giving money away to your family to tune where a destroys your nest egg that should be number one. I was thinking about that. But I wanted to end on a good note. We're speechless on that one. Well, because we got an entire story. I mean, we have any again tyre thirty forty minute. We had late maybe three episodes here because we probably have about one hundred people that we speak and a lot of times, right? Goes. This is really sad, we speak to people, and and we have great relationships with them. And and we've known them from for so many years, and and then they wither away. And and they're unfortunately in a position where they lost all their money. Not to the market, you know, not to gambling or or too many lavish cruises. But you know, somehow, they got to decide to have the wrong kind of kids gave they gave birth to their kids. Right. Well, yeah, there's a story behind that one too. But but no, I mean, it really is you look at it. And there's a fifty thousand dollar wedding that they've gotta pay for there's thirty thousand dollars. See there's a story behind are you into the hockey rink recently? Right. And some dude was wearing a wedding ring. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. Yeah. All right. You wanted me to go there. And I thought okay, I got to be really careful, but yeah, okay. I'll up hockey rank. And there's a guy there. I know. And and I go, hey, dude, you're wearing your your wedding ring on the wrong finger because he had it on his right finger and his wealth because married the wrong woman. Okay. So half the people listening right Nara getting mad at us. Clowning on this guy. Right. But it happens the other way too. Okay. So yeah. In fact, I hear more jokes like that. From the other the other the other, oh, that's hilarious real go team. And and and so here's here's the thing. We're gonna end off here and number ten oftentimes should be number one in no particular order is this really from worst best or best worst or worse to worst. But basically we've seen individuals make significantly bad decisions when it comes to their family and and giving their money to their family to a point where it decimates their retirement. And it's something that people gotta watch out for I will tell you there's ten items here, and that could mean potentially that you've gotta stay tuned because we're in identifying go over each item in each one of our podcasts, we could combine them or we can just talk about one. But I can tell you, right. Coz is that there's ten podcasts here this ten shows here because so important if. Not more talk about tabloid that'd be the one. But well, the wrong the wrong wrong. You know ring one just no just just, you know, relationships are always interesting. So your spouse has everything to do with. How successful you retirement's going to be how happy your life is going to be obviously, right or how unhappy things can be. But you know, I mean, Sam unite we've been through a lot of challenges in that side of things. And so we're or qualifying eligible talk about it. But here's the thing. If you're not equally yoked and all possible manage whether spiritual financial values children child rearing family. I mean, there's everything if you're not equally haute it's going to be hard and finances are one of the most important things where you have to be equally haute. And you know, if you have a partner who just doesn't want to play ball or cooperator, listen, I mean, it's problematic, and you know, and and I realize when. Choose mates. You know, we think everything's Rosie with everything's fine. And then, you know, ten twenty thirty years down the road. We find out it's not. But there's a cost that goes with that. And it's I would say destructive to a retirement because you've got. Attorneys that are very happy to take the case. And they'll take a retainer start charging you over and over and presumed your fifty thousand dollars a hundred thousand dollars million dollars into legal fees, just to get away from this spouse that you no longer get along with now, we can't control the kids that we have. But that's a whole nother problem. Right. There's a lot of guilt trips going on guilt destroys retirements. And we see we see people doing things for the kids that they have. No, no business trying to Ford doing and yet it happens because I don't know maybe it's peer pressure, maybe is trying to keep up with the Joneses. And or just feeling guilt that you know, you screwed up as apparent when they were kids, and then you try to make up for it with money now. But anything that leads to destruct retirement it, you know, Indiana. What are you gonna do? You know, you can live on the streets. And that's what's happening. There's such a huge homeless issue. We're hearing about it in LA. I'm not, you know, I haven't researched it. I don't know if these people that are on the streets have failed retire. That's, but you know, there's probably a study that needs to be there. But, you know, things what are you gonna do when you run out of your last caller, and you're still in your sixties seventies or eighties or you can go live. Why think everyone's gonna with Yukos? I do have a few rooms. But. See some really really really important. And you know, we're going to end on that note because I will tell you, you know, last last note on that note is you know, we discuss with our kids on a regular basis times. You're a little bit different. Is that young adults were meeting nowadays and immediate places are looking to get married, and unlike yours, and my generation coz where we didn't have debt when we got married, you know, you, and I didn't have that your significant other didn't have that your wife to be didn't have that today. You could graduate. You can meet a person, and before you know, it not only do you have that. But that person has debt to the tune about a half a million combined. Both of you got a mortgage payment, and you guys are just in your middle middle twenties. So it's a different story and actually the different podcast. So we're gonna go ahead and top it off here. And you're listening to Sam and Co's and on the liberty the financial liberty podcast. And once again, thank you very much for allowing us to enter your home and entertain you with financial information Chow. We'll child is coz I appreciate that. And Sam both you guys fantastic job. This was very informative a little dark, maybe but truth, right? I mean, that's the bottom line. This is truth and people need to hear it. So I appreciate that. And I wanna thank the audience for listening today. Thank you for listening to the financial aid project podcast with Sam Legaspi and co Sukhum if you've not subscribe to the podcast yet. 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The Conspiracy Farm Ep. 77 Illinois State Senator Neal Anderson

The Conspiracy Farm

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The Conspiracy Farm Ep. 77 Illinois State Senator Neal Anderson

"Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the conspiracy far where we don't start to conspiracies. We just had the water in. Now, your host of the most state of the yard multi in four five cast on the inter-web. I present to you fat Jeffrey will sit ladies and gentlemen. Hooters in the politicians have to decide what we're going to wh-what they want do they wanna keep debt spending. Or do they want to climb out of this hole, and and what is government responsible for? So it's going to take a little pain to get out of it. And ultimately, the voters are going to have to decide what they want. And of course, the libertarian cloth. So I I'm a guy that believes that really government isn't responsible for a whole lot and shouldn't be involved in the whole lot. Yeah. Right. And I'm sure that you're pretty close to that that level. Yeah. No, I'm I'm unapologetically conservative. But I have a lot of libertarian leanings myself. But I also believe in the idea of Representative government. And that's that's been kind of the hardest thing for me is I've taken votes that I don't personally agree with because I believe in that Representative government. I mean, people sent me there. To do a good job and represent them. And my my district is is very diverse. I mean, we go from the, you know, Moline rock island, the inner city all the way out to to Whiteside county where it's very rural and agriculture. So it's a it's a balancing act, and you you try to do the right thing. And let's really refreshing though, I mean because you hear a lot of holidays is just kind of even though in this constitutional Republic, you know, they are supposed to be exercise in the will of the people. But oftentimes they kind of go with with party lines. Or you know, what what the what they're inside kind of crew or whatever you wanna call it saying, so that's very that's very refreshing. You sell them with our constituents. Exactly. So let's cool that you know, like, you said, even though you may not necessarily agree. You're you know, you were sent there to represent the people. So that's really cool then. Yeah. Yeah. And now, obviously you are five firefighters. So I'm assuming over in the state of Illinois or the city of Moline. Yep. Has the firefighter paramedic union? Correct. So local. So that's something that, you know, you don't often hear of a Republican supporting, but the way I. Look at things is look if people voted for it if if the union or if the firefighters as a whole vote for it. I'm a guy who who supports the people that want to be in it, and I'm also a person who supports the people that don't wanna pay into it and don't want to be represented by and let the cards fall where they may. So I've always kind of been that way. Look, no matter what which way you have to go on as a state Senator and the way you're your Hartfield, but you being a firefighter. That's a very dangerous job. We just had one gentleman killed in one gentleman still fighting for his life up, you know, up in Clinton. And so it's a very very dangerous job just as law enforcement is. So that's that's a tough one for me to say, those people don't deserve a pension because they do obviously the they go through a lot of mental physical spiritual anguish, the stuff that they have to see, you know, you've you, of course, as a firefighter. Paramedic has seen some horrible stuff. But I think I posed this question to you before when we were golfing for a fundraiser. And what I had asked was what it makes sense. Is it a possible? Solve for the state of Illinois for municipalities that are having a lot of trouble keeping up with those pensions to say in the future just figure out a way and let the unions obviously, negotiate higher salaries for everybody. And then teach those people how to invest their money because they are getting paid a lot more upfront and that way that the pensions and everything on the backside aren't bankrupting the state or a municipality the problem with the problem with pensions as a whole is. Well, number one if it was easy to solve it. Be solved already. Right. But you know, there has been that idea thrown around quite a lot. As what you're talking about is either more pay or not more pay but just switching over to like, a 4._0._1._K style. The problem with that is pensions work a lot like she'll security. So I'm working now. My pension dues are paying for somebody. That's retired. Right. And so it goes on and on. So if we do want to switch. Amazing Ponzi scheme. If we do want to switch over to a 4._0._1._K style for new for new hires, new employees, that's fine. But we're going to have to find this huge sum of money to fill that gap and looking at the pension liability. You see kind of how big that that you know, that Bala cash it has to be so. You know is the pension system unsustainable. I don't think so I think I think if we make some tweaks here, and there we can get it back on the right path much like so security, but we have to make sure we're doing it the right way and Illinois has some of the strongest language in Illinois state constitution regarding specifically pensions. Article thirteen section twelve I believe says you cannot change or diminish any pension benefits. So that has led us to what we did what they did in two thousand eleven which was introduced tier two. They're not changing the benefit. They're only changing it for new hires. Okay. So those new hires have to work a little longer and pay differently into the pension system. The only other state that has language as strong as we do is New York, and they've actually addressed it quite well. They have introduced I think today twelve or thirteen new tears. Okay. So, you know, I think that's the way we're going to have to go unless the constitution changes. Right. And does that does that delay the pain and potentially I think it was in the thirties that Arkansas was the last state to file for bankruptcy. So I mean, if there's some wrong turns made, I know that they are. There are rules now where it's tougher for municipalities and states to file for bankruptcy. But it's still possible. I mean, if there's some wrong turns made if that were to happen if that were to take place worst case scenario, do those pensions go away, or at least get slashed, you know, quite a bit. And that's and that's the big concern. And sadly, I don't think politicians pay too much attention to it. They just wanna keep taxing and spending, which it's it's a lot harder for state to claim bankruptcy because the supreme court has you know, has stated that it's not that they can't. But they have the ability to tax. So you you can't print money, but you can print money by taxing. And we're seeing the ill effects of that right now where was taxiing and people are leaving people are voting with their feet. So so the tax base gets smaller the more their tax because people are leaving. Yeah. They're running you haul trucks and getting the hell out of dodge. Yep. And so with the tax base getting smaller that keep rising. It's it's really almost. It's when I look at it if I'm glad I don't have your job right now. That's a that's a very tough solve unless unless everybody. Everybody's gonna have some skin removed in this process. That's that's the only way I'd say getting better it's going to be tough. And I tell you why I do love this job, though is because especially in the state of Illinois my view on. It is is if we can come up with compromise and change that can get us out of the whole were in. What better what better message to send other people and the United's the federal government saying? If Eleanor can do it anyone could do it because truly if Ellen. I can't do it. Anyone can. Yeah. And I believe this with all my heart. We can if we're willing. If we have the intestinal fortitude to make the tough decision, I believe that you are willing to make the tough decisions. I don't believe so much in the folks at next to you up there in Springfield. Yeah. I don't well. I don't necessarily disagree with you. But you know, I'm I'm one of many as my high school football coach used to say, you know, if you do your one eleventh every player you'll score touchdown every play. Right. So let's get in the other ten guys on board. And I think we can do that slow-but-sure. Yeah. It is going to have to be a slow and steady race. I mean, not to put you in a coronary thing. But I mean that that's a huge debt obviously overcome. What are some of your just general ideas that to get out of that kind of try to hold your tax base is leaving in such huge numbers? I mean, that's really we're gonna get a lot of this revenue from I mean, we're kind of ideas. I mean, obviously, you guys are looking at, you know, marijuana legalization or recreation. You know, however that works, and that's going to be a portion of revenues sportsbook gambling. Yeah. What did what are some of your other ideas to get out of the whole, well, re revenues a great idea? I revenues always good, but the revenue that we need to create needs to come from employment and more more more. Businesses more jobs because those are the the sustainable. The marijuana thing is an coming for me. I'm one of the only Republicans on the negotiating team. I think you know, I think this is coming just about everywhere. So I I'm I'm for it overall. But I hate the argument from people that are here that we need to do this because it's going to solve our fiscal riders. Right. It's a ridiculous argument. We're talking about we have thirty eight billion dollar year budget recreational marijuana is looking at bringing in three to five hundred million dollars a year before the cost of oversight expanded on the juggler. Yeah. I mean, you you take away the zeroes, and it's like having a job that you make thirty eight thousand dollars a month. And you wanna you wanna get another job to make more money, and you find a job in you're making fifty bucks. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. That's the truth. So also, the the ES g program where they're talking about investing. The the the pensions. The block of fons more aggressively. And I mean, obviously, the volatility of the stock market things like that that could have. I mean that could be great you hit the gold mine with the pensions or you really quick, right? And generally speaking over the last several years are are the the amount of money that we're getting from our investments in the pension system has been pretty good. But the pension problem that we have all boils down to the state, skipped payments. They took pension holidays and then from there. It's it's hard climb in your way out. It's much like making the minimum payments on your credit card Bill, right? You're just you're never going to get out of it just paying interest. But I think if we can we have the, you know, were our pension system was modelled under the Edgar pension ramp to fix it. And then we took pension holiday, and then we slipped back down. So if I think we can re if we re Amador is the debt we have and reload the ramp is long as we don't miss any payments slow slow-but-sure over a period of time. I think we can we can fix it. Not just pay not just pay the interest on it. That's okay. Now as far as Trump's I'm gonna go to federal more as far as Trump's programs in his reworking the trade agreements things like that with Mexico with Canada with Asia has that helped Illinois at all in terms of bringing back manufacturing for as a state as a whole at all. Well, I don't know if it's necessarily Trump's policies that have. You know, specifically for Illinois. But I mean, you look nationwide. Obviously, it's it's done some good and some of the tariffs and stuff. There's there's been a little pain, especially with soybeans and soybean or something like that. But. You got somebody in there. That's not going to take any crap anymore, and you know, he's gonna fix this. And I democrat or Republican I always give everybody the benefit of the doubt. We'll see if it works. Yeah. Hopefully, it does. Right. But I don't I don't buy into the whole. You know, everybody does something, and they ridicule him for it. Well, let's let's see if it works out. Yeah. Good good. Now as far as your pro-gun stances, which I'm I'm a pro second amendment guy. Obviously, the the state of Illinois. I mean, there's a lot of people obviously in the state of Illinois, hunters farmers people who who enjoy owning guns understand the right to own guns. The reason for owning guns. But there's a lot of people in Illinois, especially lawmakers that Don I mean, how much of an uphill battle is that for you keeping the wolves at bay with with some of their attempts at taking those rights. It's been a big uphill struggle. That's you know, that's. One of the things that I'm really passionate about is is citizen tree have been armed the second amendment and an Illinois. There's probably no worst place to be. And it's been an uphill battle, especially with some of the Chicago Democrats, and I found that the most frustrating thing about gun legislation in particular is you have this mob of legislators and Chicago that when you talk to them off the floor, just, you know, talking as friends they've never held a gun. They've never bought a gun. They don't know anything about it. Which is why this summer I'm going to try to bring some of those people over here too or Springfield rock river. Let them see how the process works take them out shooting and one thing whether you're democrat, Republican or whatever one language, we all speak is a economy and jobs. So if they can see that especially over here that this is good employment, and these people are making a living, you know, hopefully that changes their mindset, but you know, in Illinois, we have the Foyt card. You know, we have all these, you know, all this red tape when it comes to a lot ownership, and I just the other day, I filed I think it's Senate Bill fifty eight or eighty five I'm dyslexic. I can't remember. But it's it's my Bill that I'm filed again to repeal the Foyt card in the state of Illinois. That's awesome. And so my wife is from Montreal Canada. She's a k- becua- never held a gun in their life ends up. Marrying a goon like me, you know, I'm a hillbilly, basically. Yeah. And I've always believed in guns. I mean guns of late. We're used to lay around their house when I was a kid there were four boys, and I had one sister. And there was a gun rack, downstairs and guns were everywhere. Nobody got shot in the house, and nobody horsed around with guns. It just we had common sense. She was terrified of guns. Didn't believe in them. Her mother didn't believe in them. They were just absolutely against them. Her father whose gosh, she just passed away at eighty eight years old this past year. Never touched a gun didn't believe in them. And I I had her go out and learn to shoot with my business partner in my law enforcer. He's an amazing instructor when it comes to guns, and he taught her how to shoot he started her with twenty two caliber, pistols, all the way up to a forty four. Magnum? And there was about fifteen guns that she shot that one day as a five hour course that she went through. And after she got done learning about safety learning, how to shoot learning which end is dangerous, which hasn't, you know, the common sense stuff that goes with it. She absolutely fell in love with the sport of shooting target shooting and understands why people own guns, right? So you bring it much lawmakers down here to Springfield and rock river, whatever wherever you bring them there. I think they're gonna come away and say, okay, we get it. Yeah. And I'm getting ready to introduce a Bill to hear probably in the next couple of weeks. It's modeled off of what I would just did and it will allow school districts to teach gun, safety or hunter's safety. Course, if they so choose, and I think if you look back, I don't know this for fact, but I'm willing to make a pretty substantial wager that any of these mass shootings that happened in the past any of these shootings in Chicago that we see on a daily basis, I'm willing to bet that not one of them ever took a hunter, safety course, has never had proper gun safety training. If you teach our young kids what a gun does and how to respect it. I don't think you'll see some of the stuff we see a lot. Of course, there are a lot more things that go into the, you know, there's a big difference, obviously between a kid that's growing up in the rough areas of Chicago with the crime, and that that culture that's going on up there. Unfortunately, and other kids that are in different. Parts of the state, and the thing that I you know, we've done research on the one I read, you know, when you go back through mass shootings about ninety five percent of the people that are responsible for that mass shootings in the past. Twenty five years were basically raised on drugs like Ritalin and Prozac and things like that. Now, I'm not I'm not saying that those drugs are directly responsible, but you know, the the the mental illness and a lot of the stuff that has exploded over the past few decades, certainly it has to be attributed to something I can tell you that, you know, a lot of people say that it is processed foods that are causing problems. There's a lot of things that go into this that are causing the human mind and the body not to work correctly anymore and things going haywire. And people are picking up guns and killing killing innocent children. And they're doing those studies. Now, what does it correlation or causation like, which is which is actually causing it? But I mean, like, you said champ, whatever they call the serotonin reuptake inhibitors almost every one of these there's some element of some kind of pharmaceutical or Ritalin or whatever in that that plays into this. So again, whether it's processed foods diet nutrition or these things that are literally changing, the chemical people's brains. And when you look on the inserts of these. It causes suicidal idealization homicide ID Asian. So it's like that's a that's a huge deal. Man. I mean, obviously never gets brought up when we when we see mainstream news and the discussion of gun violence. It's always focused on guns. Right. It's a tool just like a hammer or anything else a saw that's laying around in the garage. It's a tool, and so in the end something that's causing this in society, a combination of things whatever, however, we wanna break it down. But it's not the guns. No, that's true. And and my former seatmate who now just retired Senator Tim Bevins. He represented the district just north of me. He told me an interesting statistic. One time that the first mass shooting happened. I in a in a school happened. I think he said one year to the date after the supreme court ruled taking God out of public schools. Well, I mean, that's. You know? I mean, I remember growing up and say I pledge allegiance to the flag, and that doesn't happen anymore. There's a lot of that stuff. That's not going on anymore. Yes. And you know, it I mean, Paul Harvey. You know, what was it nineteen sixty four sixty three late sixty said if I were the double remember that speech? Oh, yes craze. And when you listen to that he was he was spy was Nostra domicile. He was Nostradamus moving forward. He knew what was coming. Yeah. He could see it plain as day. And it's it's it's scary. That you bring that up something I want to ask you about as as a former paramedic two questions, actually because we lived in Saint Louis, and there was a lot of paramedics that were getting ambushed and shot and killed and I need not estates. Now, there's bringing out legislation to arm EMT. Paramedics would you think about that? I actually introduced that Bill two years ago to allow firemen to be able to carry concealed on job. I I didn't go anywhere because the. They anti-gun is have control of the legislature right now. But you know, I find it ridiculous that I as a concealed carry holder. I can carry concealed when I'm not on duty. But when I'm on duty in more dangerous situation that I can't I mean that makes sense with Illinois law. No offense. Do you obviously? But like the gun restrictions like in Chicago. They think more, you know, restricting of guns is somehow going to help because I mean, they got some of the most strict gun laws in Illinois and look at this rampant shootings and deaths that are in Chicago. I used to live there in that to get into the home in square thing. But I mean, some of those areas are just absolutely it's it's worth it. It is fun though, debating some of this stuff when when we get a chance to on the floor some of this gun legislation. Perfect example that that Bill that. That I just talked about with the firefighters being able to carry concealed on the job. It got sent to a subcommittee, and I had a hearing on it. And one of the opponents was the police police chiefs association. Wow. And we were in the subcommittee hearing. And and I said chief what what do you have against this Bill? He said firemen shouldn't carry guns. That's what cops are for. And I said chief do your officers. Carry a fire extinguisher in their squad cars. I'm said, yeah. And I just stared at him. It's not the same. And I'm like, okay. Well, that's awesome response. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. They think they equate having and I'm not saying this to disparage any police officers because a locally trained police officers for twenty five years almost now. But a lot of people equate a police officers uniform with a higher level of existence and training, and that's not the case. Yes, they have to qualify. What their guns? Yes. They have to do some defensive tactics training on how to go hands on with people kneeled, do, you know, the average across the country time in one year span how much most police departments make their police officers do defensive tactics training, how many hours would you say in one year? Do they do a man I'm going to guess, and I would say forty when I had you on my original eighty dollars. And that's there's many that don't have that much at all. Okay. So now, they're taking people that don't know how to handle another human being don't know how to put their hands on another person unless they've gone somewhere and gotten training at a martial arts facility. Whatever done just a Russell, you know, grew up in athletes an athlete like you have. So now they've given them tools on their belts. That's the only thing they have to rely on when the proverbial Deng hits the fan. Right. So that's that's the scary part. But the uniform does not turn someone into into superhuman and actually makes them a target. Right. So there's a lot of civilians out there, including people who are whether you're off duty or an on duty firemen, which are not a civilian at that point who are more than qualified to carry a weapon, right? If civilian can carry a weapon around because of their carry it concealed carry permit. I I can't fathom. Why paramedics and police officers are firemen would not be allowed to just. Defies the rules of common sense that there are actually people against it. Well, that's the thing about commonsense. It's not very. Well, I think that those people would have common sense if there weren't folks who were pulling the strings, right? Well, right and concealed carry holders. Overall, the their they are responsible people. You don't hear of a concealed carry holder in a restaurant getting into an argument and shooting somebody just because they got an argument. Right, right. Yeah. So and which to your point about, you know, officers being target. I'm not against open carry. But it's why even if we did have open carry I would carry concealed. Yeah. I don't want anybody to know that I'm now that Saint Louis having lived there last ten years they've recently just it's open carry concealed carry. I mean, and they all the lawmaker thought it was just going to be this big nightmare scenario. And it totally has not obviously on the north side. It's just like Chicago. But you're not seeing like you said, no one's running before those laws happen. You had these kind of Googlers who stepped off their XBox? And then walked in a Starbucks with an air over the show just to kind of ever make weird kind of whatever they were doing. But. Yeah, per per that legislation when they just kind of open it up and conceal concealed open. It's been fine. I mean, like, I said, you still have your crime and stuff, but legal gun owners aren't aren't doing that Arnold part of the problem? Yeah. So what else do you got going on? Now. I'm sorry. The opioid crisis. Man, it's like they're they're starting to have legislation now to start to hold doctors accountable for over for scrubbing these these oxygen and stuff because I mean, as you know, the epidemic is what what is it seventy thousand a year the Vietnam war every single year. I mean, those numbers are just absolutely staggering. And. What's what's your thoughts on Oprah? And then we'll we'll get into like house of armed everyone's getting into how some of this heroines getting into the country. Yeah. I did it opioid roundtable last year to kind of bring in the community and discuss the issue in my district specifically luckily in in here in my district. It hasn't been quite as bad as you know, other places, but it's getting worse and we've done some legislation that can kinda help with one being if you're prescribed an opioid now you can forgo that and get a medical marijuana card. Instead, I think that's a good option. Another thing that we did was we made it more readily available for the kind of the Tele doc services for for psych patients and people addicted to opioids to be able to you know, Skype in and talk to a doctor rather than have to wait in line and see a doc. But this is. Is a societal issue. This is not going to be fixed with legislation agree. This has to be communities coming together holding people accountable holding their loved ones accountable, and and fixing it that way legislation is gonna fix this is far as, you know, getting as far as these things being so readily available in so almost over prescribed by doctors. I mean, it's not thoughts on on holding doctors responsible for any of these. Oh, absolutely. And and just like, I think that's definitely something. We should do is hold doctors accountable that that are over prescribing these opioids just like in the state of Illinois going back to the gun thing. The one of the biggest reasons that we have such high gun crime rate and city, Chicago is these activist. Judges are letting these people out with, you know, probation prosecute these people to the fullest and you'll start to see a downtick. There was a lady that bought three guns legally in the city of Chicago. This was about five or six years ago. She sold them, and then those guns were used in in a crime, the lady was given three months probation. Wow. That's not a deterrent. So I mean, that's that's part of the biggest problems. So basically, it was a felon given given felons giving her money to go buy the guns because you could over and they were going and using them in the commission of a crime. And, you know, something I've heard, and this is this is I live in Chicago used to teach in cabrini-green there's been rumors for years about. Just basically more of the south side, but caches of weapons just being found in alleys. And then people taking them in just I don't know if you've heard of that, I don't know if it's the room if it's conspiracy theory, but I mean as a part of, you know, maybe yeah. Have you heard anything like that just like? Showing up not specifically. But I mean once surprise me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it's you know, deliberate. Like, hey, let's let's let them kill themselves off. But that's kind of I don't even know if it's necessarily true. But when I heard that it was crazy, and then I used to work near this place called home in square and tell him what the little the little kids to teach us to tell. He was a teacher up there referee's Chicago. And she teach it was kinda history just contemporary world issues. Type stuff is not too long after nine eleven so yes. But, you know, this place called home in square, which is what they call kind of a black side of police black site. So supposedly people would go in and not come out and people would come out with not funny, their organs, some of their organs harvested. Oh, you never what the little kids. Tell you. That's what would happen. They would need. Some people would go in there. And either a not come out or come out, or I thought you were going to do the impression of a five year old telling you seven year old. I got here this do it do it. They were young. I I taught a little bit older kids that I was mister Jefferson. Have you heard about home? It's square. No, please tell this is also this is all also group of kids who thought Candyman was real the horror movie about the guy who was killing people in cabrini-green. So I just I just find it interesting because I did wind up at after I left Chicago hearing about home and square. I won't even say his name. There was a reporter who was kind of cool with it. He went in there and got kind of not roughed up, but kicked off and he was basically doing an investigative report on home and square, and they didn't like you'd be anywhere near that. He couldn't stand on the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street where the hotel was anyone even around it. So the way their reaction was tells you something's going on there. It was it was very odd. It was very odd. Because I saw that whole thing go down also. So it was very interesting. But yeah, the opioid crisis the heroin how it's getting in the country. That's that's stuff that we've researched quite a bit in terms of you know, it's not just over the border. It's not just the, you know, the the drug dealers that are bringing the Dan type thing we've we've seen some stuff being funded with well some operations. I mean, Iran contra obviously was funded with with drug money. So there's a lot of stuff. We've talked about this a lot of times with like a set of former Russian spetsnaz guy and just other other people who whether we want to recognize it or not there is almost a a black a black budget. If you will and underground budget that kind of like, you said, congress wouldn't give permission for Reagan. Those guys to do what they did down in Central America. So they started using drug money to do it. But it's it's drug. It's people. It's it's guns. It's Hugh organs Morgan's. I mean, this is this has been confirmed by a lot of people. So it's kind of interesting to start hearing about this kind of underground not to shadow government shadow economy, like into the trillions that does a lot of this stuff that you know, it's kind of off books, but. Yeah. It is speaking of opioids. I mean that the new stuff. Wow. I don't know if it's necessary new, but it's kind of making the news lately is the the carpet and all all terrible, man. I there was I read an article there was a. Firemen that responded to coal and just walked into the room and like brushed up against something and killed him. Yeah. I just saw a police officer on video Odeen just because he opened the bag and it just just. Yeah. Like a speck of it got into his nostrils and dropped him. And they had to give him narc can that bring him back and save his life? And there's I mean, I sat on the board here in Davenport for the opioid crisis stuff that's going on and the nightmare stuff. I'm hearing. They're they're hitting people with Narcan two to three times in one day because OD three times in one day. These people are I mean, this is a really really severe severe situation. So and that's what the addicts look for. Right. You kill somebody with your product. That's the good stuff. Right. Right. This crazy, man. That's that's honestly, unfortunately, really, really true. I could die. Let me get hit of that. Yeah. Wow. And they have and they have, you know, they have scooped up, you know, three or four hundred pounds of Fenton all coming across the. Border which is enough to kill the United States. Right. Three to four hundred pounds of knock. I mean, what they say they they made a bus stop near Boston that was twenty five pounds. And that's enough to kill everyone in Boston. That's the fact that that's even created the fact that there should be a death penalty for anybody who manufactures it in my mind. That's the stuff shouldn't exist on the planet. Well, that's another piece of legislation and we did hear a couple years ago. I voted for it. But I took pause to it being a being a medic, and, you know, having to go on some of these calls, and given our can the Bill was that anybody can buy narking though. So you can go get it over the counter. Oh, go pretty expensive and everybody should have. It technically. Right. Yeah. Well, that's the thought behind it. But at the same time like in in my brain haven't seen this stuff go on having to give Narcan are people going to start buying it. Now as like a safety net. Right. Like, I'm going to do this. And I'm going to take more than I usually do. So watch me and give me that this. It's ridiculous. I mean, honestly, and I got I got his keep your pardon me. You don't ever want to see people's lives lost like this? But at the end of the day man, this is kind of social Darwinism, dude. We got a thin the herd a little bit. I mean, if it's not that kind of they'll see if there's, but there's people I think things that I've heard where somebody would would smoke marijuana cigarette that had heroin laced in it, and all and they so they in no way, shape or form back. Then what you're talking about? It's to get messed up, dude. And I got my nerve game here. So I'm fine like that kind of logic. If if you're already playing with the group exactly so if that's not gonna take you out something else. Well, like, I'm going to I'm going to blow dry my hair in the tub. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Exactly. Something's going to take you out. If that's how you're thinking. So man, that's just it's just so sad. Because a lot of it is children. I'm actually having kids man friends from high school her mom's OD them like what? Yeah. Yeah. So moving on a little bit wouldn't wanna keep sending work on the farm bills agriculture. Served on agriculture committee. We've all seen and we've all heard the I mean, what is Illinois. The second corn producer in the US fourteen point eight nine percent. I forget what that stats from maybe few years ago, but we're huge corn producer. Yeah. And you know, that kind of monoculture farming is doing a lot of damage with the kind of stuff, you know, Monsanto those seeds that that GMO seed a is poisoning, you know, animals and people, and you know, that, but for Monsanto to shutdown farms because you know, they're allegedly. No, well, I've I've seen that allegedly poisoning. Well, okay. No, there's there's been a they have they have found studies to show even with rats, or whatever what know from tumors to kidney failure to organ failure. Which some of this GMO stuff does but even outside of that the health effects, you know, Monsanto shutting down family farms who have had their farms cross pollinated with Monsanto seed. And then the Monsanto comes in like, oh, you guys you're basically violating the patent and like, well, we don't have Monsanto stuff. And then they. Test their stuff because it's been cross pollinated farms of being shut down. You're looking at. I forget the stat. It was like almost one hundred two hundred million dollars in settlements that much Santo had to pay or that were paid out new. There's a new reversal of new law that was passed where you'd farmers can now sue Monsanto for cross pilot. Right. Yeah. I just seen that the other day, actually, which is which is a great thing for the individual for the family farmer. Sure. Now, they've got a defense and other can fight back, which is awesome. And it looks like Monsanto with the judgment for a massive amount of money from the gentleman that got cancer from glysophate or was it. Say I it. It's almost like the the coin is flipped a little bit on Monsanto. Yeah. Yeah. Monsanto had as of November twenty two thousand twelve months Santo had filed one hundred forty two lawsuits against farmers for violations of its tech agreement its patents and GM of seats and then involving four hundred and ten farms and fifty six farms that are small businesses in twenty seven states. So it's a little little bit of everywhere. And like I said the estimated estimated settlements where you know, four times they said the record judgments normally was twenty one point six million. Now, it's up to one hundred sixty point six million from settlements of Monsanto. So there's a lot there's a lot of legislation but litigation going on with Monsanto. And that's cool. If farmers are able to protect themselves better now because the one I saw was like farm Inc or something like that some documentary. I mean, the guy was like fifty years old. It was a farm that's been in his family for almost one hundred years. And he's like they came to my farm. They tested myself salt was cross pollinated and on the spot drained, his his silence like six or seven silence just pulled the thing. And just he's like, I just lost. You know, however, many, you know, just his livelihood, essentially. And then afterwards, they find out he was clean. But it's like, wow, how much did you have to go through to get exonerated? It's just crazy. How Monsanto's monopolize I guess my larger question is, you know, what are your thoughts? I mean on on how you know, how predatory Monsanto is with making sure almost every corn seed in the US is there's even knowing the military's health effects. Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously, I'm I'm for. Any legislation that we can repeal or move forward that gives more individual liberty is is the best way to go. And especially for farmers and in Illinois. You're right. I mean, we're we're the farmers are the largest employer in the in the nation agriculture is whether it's actually farming or, you know, John Deere, whatever be but. Yeah, I mean, the we have to make sure that. You know, people are not being bullied by the, you know, the big the big corporations, and then we find out, you know, Monsanto executives whether it's Republican or democrat wind up going up to head the FDA that USDA, you know, went to these some of these acronym with some of the other jobs are interchangeable commerce Justice department. Yeah. And it's thick it doesn't even matter. What political ideology these corporations went up putting people in these seats that wind up protecting them. And then giving kind of the farmers enough us the shaft a little bit. But it's the laws are changing. That's awesome. Yeah. I'm with it. Seen some of the the little and that was the weird thing some of the test they were doing on rats. It was it was only ninety day test. So it's like literally from what I've heard what I've read the the effects in the tumors and all these things start happening after the ninety days. So the executives are Monsanto like not we did a ninety day study and everything was all good that can say that none of their absolutely true. But the things start manifesting after the ninety day period. Some of these studies date Ninety-one, exactly. Being in politics. I tell you what that is one thing that I have found to be absolutely hilarious is the skewing of statistics is it's unbelievable. Yeah. You know? It's like well ninety nine point nine percent of shark attacks happened in shallow water. Of course, you do. Because that's where the people are. Make anything sound good. I think this guy missed his this is calling you need to go through some funny bone visit. So what is it? What is the right now in the in the state of Illinois Republican to democrat ratio? It's very lot to very little. I don't know the numbers. Well, actually. Yeah. I do. There's fifty nine Senate seats Republicans. Hold eighteen. Okay. So yeah, you're definitely on. And in the house. There's one hundred nineteen seats, and I think Republicans have sixty two. Okay. Yeah. So they have the Democrats have super majorities in both chambers. Okay. And the governor's office as of today, and I have this fact or fiction did anyone enter any legislation that would have been a vote on annex seen Chicago out of the state of Illinois and making its own state ever been brought in as a possible legislation. No, it has not. And actually believe it or not I've actually looked into that. And it's pretty easy to do is hit. It really is. So. Chicago so between Chicago and Springfield. Just make them kind of like satellite their own just individual district of Columbia places. No. But seriously as far as the process, I mean, it wouldn't be easy to do. But the process is pretty simple. It takes. I think it's. Forty percent of the population would have to sign a petition. And then once you got that than it would. It's a simple act of congress. I think that is crazy. So so it would take the forty percent. And then you guys to get control of the of of the congress. Oh, well, you annex Chicago and Illinois is about as Republicans Kansas. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. There you go. So I think that's something for you to work on in the future. I'm just saying start signing petitions plant seeds like that. I see that. I think he's hooked on that one. All right. Any more questions? This is this price it here forever. Because Illinois, just they're they're struggling, right? And the bridge we have one, oh, we have to talk about the bridge is the bridge actually going to make it to Eleanor. I know you could ask that time seventy four bridge. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's you guys drive by probably all the time. Is that federally funded? So most of I think it's I think it's eighty five percent. Federally funded. Okay. And then the the other fifteen percent is split between the two because the jokes bridge to nowhere. You know, constantly going. Why are you laughing at me you've never heard that lily here here a few years ago? I you know, I had to really push hard to get the seventy five million dollars from Illinois state government to kind of get the project going on the Eleanor side. And I was able to secure that. And I got people calling me saying, oh, we're just building the new bridge. So people have a nicer road to move over to Iowa. And and this and that and. Speeding up the accident. It's called the express lanes. Four of them. So and then we have one other question. At least I do on the the speed rail or light rail or whatever they wanna call it from the quad cities over to Chicago is that's something that you think is ever going to happen. Yeah. It is going to happen. And the hold up right now is you're having to deal with federal government state government municipal government and to rail lines. Okay. So trying to get everybody on board is a task. And it seems like we got all the ducks in the row except for one rail line. But yeah, it's it's coming. It's just a matter of when the funding has been appropriated. It's there and ultimately does that benefit anyone, but the Chicago economy? No, I think it really does benefit our area in the sense that we have Augustan is a perfect example. Okay. Lobby kids from Chicago go to school there. Yeah. Yeah. And then the idea. That the in the grand scheme of things eventually the idea is once it gets to the quad cities, then it will go to Iowa City and then Omaha. Okay. I'm originally from Nebraska, right? Play ball there. There's a lot of farm boys at love their John Deere stuff and hopping on that train coming to see the John Deere comrade every week. Well, the way I see it, you know, with the August, Anna kids being from Chicago and stuff. I mean, it's not cheap to go to Chicago. So technically probably most of those kids that brand new Mercedes Benzes anyway. You know, I was raised a little different than those kids for sure for sure. So. Well, neil. Thank you very much for coming in studio. We really appreciate it for sure what we were talking about off air little bit. You know, Illinois is kind of notorious for, you know, a little bit is, you know, what I mean, you seem like a very genuine guy, and please do all you can meant to keep doing what you're doing representing the people and stay out of the swamp, my friend. No, I appreciate it, man. And it was a pleasure being on. And I'm back on duty at Moline tomorrow. So you guys call nine one one over there you pricey my ugly mug careful on the job. All right. Thanks. Ladies and gentlemen base. Stay tuned. They're always be Ma.

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The Halo Effect

"From NPR this is hidden brain. I'm Sean Covey Danton. It's a summer evening in Northern Indiana. Three teenagers are in the car headed to a short sponsored volleyball game. It's nineteen, seventy eight. The three, our girls, sisters, Judy and Lynn, and their cousin Donna drive down US thirty three in a Ford Pinto. Judy is behind the wheel. She's eighteen, a recent high school graduate. Two years older than her little sister Lynn. Donna is also eighteen. Around. Six thirty judy slows. down. She's worried she might have left the cap to the gas tank on the trunk. She puts on her hazard lights. A few seconds behind the Pinto on the same road Raja dodger is driving a Chevy van. He's looking for a cigarette pack on the floor. When he looks up. The slowing Pinto is right in front of him. He's going about fifty miles per hour. And he doesn't have time to stop. At first Roger doesn't think the crash bad. then. He smelled gasoline. Leader reporters will recon testimony from third driver. Who saw what happened was a puff of flame about twelve eighteen inches long at the rear of the car. Almost, immediately. The Pinto explodes into flames. He said it was like a large napalm bomb going up. Is it Korean down the highway and finally came to a stop it was burning all the way. The eyewitness gets out of his car with a fire extinguisher and runs over to see if he can help. But he said the temperature and the heat was so intense. Did it was? Too. Hot to stay close to the car for very long. By the time, the first state trooper arrives the Pinto is coached. Inside the car linen Donna are dead. Judy is outside alive but badly injured. She's taken to a burn unit at a nearby hospital. She lives her about nine more hours. Before she dies judy tells the police. What happened. She also asked a nurse if our sister and cousin are okay. The nurse tells her they lived. Six months later, Judy Lynn's mother get something in the mail from the Ford Motor Company. It's a recall notice for the car her daughters were killed in. The Ford Pinto? Today we speak to afford insider who has asked himself with painful question. Should he have done more to get the Pinto off the road? Certain circles, uncertifiable. -able vote. Guilty of not protecting innocent unsuspecting people driving patently dangerous car. This week on hidden brain, the minefield of hindsight bias. Why knowing how something turned out shapes the way we think about. That came before it. And the insidious effect this has on our lives. Our story today starts with long ago events, but it's not really about the past. It's about how in the present. We think about the past. About the profound bias that shapes such thinking and the effect this bias has on our lives. We begin in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy. The American car industry was dominated by a handful of major companies. There was General Motors Chrysler. And there was another big one. Four. What makes Mustang number one personality. Elegance for a new decade. One, thousand nine hundred seventy thunderbird. The wagon mast. But the new decade marked the end of an era of carefree car buying in America. The country was shedding its innocence young men were being drafted into the Vietnam. War and the Nixon administration would soon be marred by scandal. Two. Books, Rachel Carson's silent spring and Ralph. Nader's unsafe at any speed were in the Zeitgeist. More and more cars were seen no longer as a symbol of freedom. But is a social problem. American car companies felt under siege from federal regulations at home and competition from abroad. Consumers would turning away from American cars Mercedes benzes from. Germany. Mercedes Benz. Engine Sleek Jaguars from Britain and small fuel-efficient Toyotas and Hondas from Japan. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine, alone. One million cars were imported into the United States. If. American, car companies wanted to keep up they needed to match with their competitors were offering. Ford's answer was an inexpensive fuel efficient subcompact car. The Pinto. Pinto. Just. This is an advertisement introducing the car. It shows a four presumably into horse alone in a field. The horse gets to its feet and gallops around a banana yellow for. A small garden? But you'd never know to look at it. It's averaged over twenty five miles per gallon simulated city and suburban driving but it's Frisky with a wider stance than any little importing. So you will be the commercial introduces slogan for the car. That would only become ironic later on. A little carefree car to put a little kick in your life. A little better idea from board coming. September eleven. The little carefree car. Ford's president at the time Lee IACOCCA had pushed for the Pinto when he was still a vice president of the company, he was set to have called the car his baby. The company CODE NAMED THE CAR PHOENIX. Again the irony of this nickname would not be evident until much later. To boost gas mileage and reduce costs, the Pinto had a stripped down minimalist design. Cars usually have a steel frame that supports the engine, the transmission, the wheels, and so on and a body that goes on top of that. But the Pinto had just one piece. The body was the frame. Executives at Ford was said to have mandated that their employees build a car that weighed two thousand pounds and cost two thousand dollars. Then in nineteen seventy-three something happened that made the Pinto a bonafide winner for Ford. The OPEC nations decided to cut oil production by five percent and continue cutting their oil production by an additional five percent. Each successive month until Israel withdraws from occupied Arab lands and the right of Palestinian refugees is restored. In October the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries OPEC slapped an embargo on oil ship to the United States. The move was in response to US support of Israel during the one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three, arab-israeli war. Soon they were major oil shortages in the United States. The price of gas skyrocketed. Because of the fuel shortage, General Motors has ordered additional layoffs affecting thousands of Workers President Nixon even announced a new limit on interstate highway speeds. I have called up all the American people to drive their cars. At fifty miles per hour. Now, what does that going to mean? It means it's going to take a little longer to get where you're going to go little longer to get to work a little longer to get the ball game a little longer to get the church. Maybe a little longer to make the trip to see your mother-in-law. Maybe that wasn't a good idea. You wouldn't mind taking longer. The oil crisis distracted American. Life in ways that ranged from the serious to the absurd. There's a governor who's wearing long Johns as professor in Georgia who says that if we changed the whole television schedule, make it earlier people go to bed earlier and save on lights and a Michigan restaurant man wants his customers to ride horseback to dinner and he says if they do, he'll might throw in a bucket of oats with the meal. All of this man that American started to covet small cheap cars with excellent gas mileage. Like the Ford Pinto. Sales Dukov and the Pinto became crucial to Ford's bottom line. By the decade that followed would not end well for Ford or the rest of the US car industry. For the Pinto it's PR. Troubles began with a recall campaign led by Ralph, Nader and a series of journalism. Is. The most widely referenced of these was in Nineteen, seventy, seven feature in the magazine Mother Jones. The article told the story of a woman and her thirteen year old passenger who suffered a fiery rear end crash involving a Pinto. The woman was killed and the boy was severely burned. The mother Jones reporter Mark Dowie claimed this was not an isolated incident we estimate. That five hundred men women and children have burned to death and Pinto's over the past six years. Who would not have been seriously injured if the car had burst into flames. That number at least five, hundred debt since nineteen seventy-one or slightly more than eighty debts on average per year has been hotly debated. At the time, NPR reported that Ford said the number was pure exaggeration. Seventy five. Eight hundred and forty eight deaths associated with passenger car accidents in which fires also occurred in some parts of the vehicles. Only twelve of these. Eight hundred and forty eight reporters for policies involved occupants of. Lita four would say Pinto's had been involved in thirty five cases of rear. Impact fires. Those fires the company said. It twenty three burn injuries and twenty one debts. An. Investigation by the National Highway Traffic. Safety Administration came up with similar numbers twenty, four Burns, and twenty seven fatalities. Today, it's still unclear how many people died or were injured in these crashes. Mark Dowie made other charges against the company to he wrote that Ford had rushed the Pinto into production coming up with a new model in just over two years when that process usually took closer to three and a half years. That's short and timeframe he wrote had consequences. For one because of the accelerated schedule crash testing happened after the basic design was pretty much set. According to the Mother Jones story, these tests revealed that the Pinto was vulnerable in low speed rear end crashes. Over the years multiple news organizations including NPR have highlighted potential problems with the Pinto's design. Instead of installing the tank to the front of the rear axle where the cars back wheels were mounted, it was placed behind the Akzo. There's virtually no crush area between the back of the car and the back of the gas tank. Just a few inches of the damage to the back end of the car brings the medal of the car or the object. It's producing the impact right up against the gas tank. Some have argued that the bin does designed wasn't much different from that of other small cars being produced by American car companies but there was one feature that made the Pinto stand out from the heard. The studs. They're up at the top of the tank. They are again directly ahead of the SPLASH PAN on the back of the car with no protection whatsoever they're one of the first things that actually gets hit with their designed in such a manner that as they bend forward, they can be pushed through the roof, the gas tank rupturing the tank. These were bulls that protruded from the rear axle menacingly close to the low hanging field tank. If a Pinto was hit from behind even at low speed these boats could poke holes in the fuel tank. If. That happened oil spill out and ignite at the smallest spark. One lawyer called the STUDS can openers. The final charge that Mark Dowie made against Ford had to do with the company memo that came to be infamous. The memo laid out a cost-benefit analysis showing that few leakage in certain crashes could potentially be prevented with alterations that would cost about eleven dollars per car. But the analysis determined that the cost of implementing these changes would not outweigh quote. Expected benefits. Here the word benefit meant the potential for lives saved and injuries avoided. In making its calculations four value human life at about two hundred, thousand dollars a number borrowed from a report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The memo did not refer specifically to the Pinto the calculations likely included all American cars. Regardless Mark Dowries coverage of the memo painted a picture of four as a company that was willing to prioritize profits over safety. The nine, hundred, Ninety, one movie class action is based in part on the story of the Pinto. It depicts a car company making a cost benefit analysis. Defective part. You make a decision whether to replace that park a recall or suffer the consequences of lawsuit with ever cheaper. Is. Ford faced a slew of civil lawsuits relating to Pinto Rear. End Collisions. There was even a criminal trial. In Indiana Ford was indicted for three felony counts of reckless homicide for the accident that killed Judy Lynn and Donna Rick, the three teenagers who story we heard at the top of the episode. Ford was found not guilty. But the Pinto never really recovered its reputation. The car would go on to become the butt of jokes everywhere in movies on late night TV and cartoons on newspaper editorial pages. In May of nineteen seventy eight, a federal agency issued an initial determination that the Pinto's feel system was defective the national. Highway. Traffic. Safety Commission yesterday issued a tentative finding that one, million, nine, hundred, and thirty thousand Ford does and Mercury Bob Cats may be dangerous. Not long after four degree to voluntarily recall one and a half million Pinto's. The story of the Ford, Pinto scene from the vantage. Point of today is almost a parable. It's seen as a warning sign about the risks of Hubris and avarice. But as I said, our story today is not about the Pinto. It's not about re litigating what Ford, New and win. It's about how we think about the past. When we come back what psychology reveals about the mind of afford insider who voted not to recall the Pinto. And is now haunted by the choices he made. This message comes from NPR sponsor three m three M is proud to provide personal protective equipment and medical solutions for use by frontline healthcare workers and first responders. Worldwide including over eight hundred million respirators supplied globally in the first half of twenty twenty learn how three M is helping. The World Responds a Cobra nineteen at three M dot com slash vid three m science applied to life. This message comes from NPR sponsor capital one. Welcome to banking reimagined capital. One checking and savings. Accounts have no fees or minimums and a top rated banking. APP. That lets you manage your money anytime anywhere. Check on the account balance deposit checks, pay bills, and transfer money on the go. This is banking reimagined. What's in your wallet? Capital one NA member FDIC. Then, joy came of age during an era of big changes in the United States I was marching for civil rights for women's rights. And against. The attitude of big business at the time. He had long hair and wanted to make the world a better place. He started with classes in his MBA program I was the guy who would speak up and saying, shouldn't we account for the employees or the customers in the situation? Room in Nineteen seventy-two. Then he cut his hair and took his first corporate job with the Ford Motor Company. He loved cars and he thought by becoming an insider, he might be able to shape Ford for the better archer started with intent. To try to change this lumbering behemoth from the inside out. He rose quickly at Ford propound by his expertise and his competitive spirit. About a in he was just twenty six. He became Ford's recall coordinator. So. You Twenty six and you you were playing a role to basically decide with cars get recalled I. Mean. That's that's astonishing. Never, occurred to me that it was astonishing. Yeah I guess. I was rather low in the hierarchy but It was an extraordinarily powerful position in the sense that if I picked up the phone called anybody and identified myself as. Denny Joya from the recall office people jumped. And it got to be. Pretty interesting to watch people who were ranked much higher than I was in the organization Leap to fulfill my every need but That was the nature of the job. and. It was very important job I had to track everything that might. Become a recall. And so I started a file on. Everything in and the information for those files came from field reports. Ford had a series of field engineers. As I recall the RETU- in every state. And their job was to fill out a sheet. Identifying potential problem. And they would send it to me. Danny would Porta crash aborts looking for patterns of something going wrong over and over again? Brakes, failing wheels, falling off, axles, detaching, and startling drivers. He had to keep a file on everything. But. He was always on the lookout for two specific things I had to criteria for deciding what should be a recall. One was what I called traceable 'cause. Something had to be breaking I, mean I'm an engineer. I you can't just engage in magical thinking because. Somebody somewhere says that there's a problem you have to have evidence. So I had to have documentation that something was breaking. And I had to see a pattern of failures. I never went to recall unless I had at least twenty. In. Other words he needed more than anecdotes he needed data. If he had evidence and could identify a pattern and then he would put the case for a vote to recall or not to recall. There were five people in his office and everyone got a vote. If they voted to recall, he would send the case up to a high level executive committee that would make the final decision. If the committee agreed with Denny's group he would then initiate a recall. By the time Danny became Forbes recall coordinator the Pinto had been on the market for about three years. In retrospect, we know so much about the Pinto that Danny did not know in the early nineteen, Seventy S. We know. It would soon become one of the most hated cars in America the subject of journalistic and federal investigations and eventually a national recall. At. Each twenty six, then he did not know any of that. Noori says, did he know about any of the early crash tests or design flaws that will later detailed in the mother Jones expose them to the Denny of nineteen seventy-three? The Pinto was just another car came up from time to time and reports. Early on the Pinto wasn't even drilled on his radar. Until. I, got. A filled out. Field report that was different from any I had ever seen. That had photographs stapled fronton back. From an engineer and he said to me. I spent all day on this godforsaken car. I can't find a thing wrong with it except that it's a tin can. By which he meant. It's a little car got hit by a big car. It lit up. What did you expect? The car had caught fire in a collision. Now then had an incident but still no cause and definitely no pattern. So he did what he always did. He started a fine on the Pinto. And began to track it. Then, his job as recalled coordinator seriously when he first started in the role, he would wake up at night and stare at his bedroom ceiling worried that he might have made a decision that day that hurt someone. That feeling eventually went away. It had to. You can't have emotions rise to the surface. If you're going to be an effective recall coordinator, you gotta get over that. How do you get over having an emotional response to somebody? Somebody dying in one of your products well. It's not easy but you do it. Not long after he started his fight on the Pinto, Danny had an encounter that challenges efforts to stay focused on the data rather than his feelings. It happened in a company warehouse that Ford insiders called the Chamber of horrors. That's where all the horrible pieces came that had broken and often hurt or killed somebody. I, was out there one day. When? High saw a burned up Pinto. Off in the corner under A. Tarp. I don't know if you've ever seen a burned out car I, have not no everything's melted. Holy upholstery gone burned away. The paint is burned off. The wiring is melted. The glass is melted the steering wheel is melted. And when you learn that that car. was actually a death vehicle. People turn your stomach. Still when he got back to the office and looked in his Pinto file he only had five cases involving rear end fires he had no identifiable cause or pattern. In other words, he was nowhere near his usual standard for recommending the case for a recall vote. But he decided to do it anyway. So despite my training. When I saw that car. And despite the fact that I only had five reports, I, nonetheless put it on the docket for a vote. And then when you brought it up to the five person committee. was there robust argument was there discussion? We did people have you know roll their eyes to what? What actually happened Oh I could that's a good description. Yes they rolled her eyes at me. Why are we doing this? Because you had an emotional response to. Seeing. A burned-out. Pinto. That's that's not good enough. We gotta have data. How many you got? What's the pattern? That's not a pattern. Those could all be outliers. If you're an engineer, you have to think that way. Now. There's actually you know you. You can criticize this, but you can also say this is actually the correct way to think because, of course, anecdotally things happen all the time that our ad syncretic to a particular car or particular situation. You know the the weather conditions might be bad something happens, and if you basically base your judgments on one key one case, I, mean presumed be recalling every car off the road because every car is probably GonNa have some idiosyncratic case where something goes wrong no. Oh. Absolutely no. Now think about this. We're looking at a car. That has been built in the cheapest way. Possible. And given this a cheap vehicle, you can identify fifty things that cost five to ten dollars to fix if you WANNA take a blanket approach and fix everything. Suddenly you've got a car that nobody's willing to buy. That's not okay especially in an era when the only thing people are buying. Is Pinto. When it came down to a vote Denny's office elected five to zero. Not to recall. Even Denny. Voted against himself. It wasn't until about a year later the Danny says something strange happened. I'm sure you. Like many of your listeners like some intrigue, here's the intrigue part of this story. Then he says at one day in Nineteen, seventy four, he walked into his office and saw report lying upside down on his desk. It turned out to be an old engineering report from nineteen seventy. The early days of the Pinto that showed why the cars were catching fire. By now, you can probably guess the culprits, the low hanging fuel tank and the stats that could rupture the tank. Can Opener It was what I call a slap your forehead moment. Because it revealed. That the Pinto's rear axle. was an off the shelf component. which is to say, it was used in some other application by the Ford Motor Company. That application was the Ford of Europe Capri. That car was more complicated had anchor points called studs. On, the rear axle to which suspension arms were attached. But when it was used in the Pinto, they didn't need those suspension arms so they deleted them. But they did not delete. The studs to which the suspension arms were attached. The bullets were intended for a different kind of car with a different design. So what happened when the car was hit from behind at the federally mandated speed fifty kilometers or thirty one miles an hour. The fuel tank got pushed and got punctured. By these four studs that were protruding. Wow. If the if the accident was anywhere over twenty, five miles an hour, it ripped the fuel filler neck out sprayed gasoline all over the place including. Into the rear seats. If there's a spark anywhere in the vicinity, it's going to light up. Secondly if it's anything over twenty, five miles an hour. It's GonNa. It's GONNA accordion the car doors get pinched shut. So you're trapped in a car that has just. Exploded into a fireball and you cannot get out. My God. This is a very. Ugly accident. Today. says. He still does not know who put the Engineering Report on his desk. But in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, he knew what he had to do. He called Ford's executive committee overseeing recalls. I said. In effect get ready. We've got a big one coming. Danny says four decided to see how the Pinto compared to other cars in the industry. According to Denny Ford bought some competitor cars with layout similar to the Pinto, but without the stock problem. And tested them. And what they found. Was the average speed at which those cars fuel tanks would rupture. was about twenty seven and a half miles an hour. Wait almost the same pretty close. twenty-five versus twenty seven and a half. So, what do you do now? The me put you in the position of being the recall coordinator. How would you vote? Would you vote to spend thirty million dollars? For two and a half miles an hour. Now, it leads to a really interesting dilemma. Because when you hear these numbers. You can get sucked in. You can go the math doesn't add up. In, yes. Human lives are at stake. But. What's the value that should prevail here? So if it's a values based decision, of course, you recall. Of. Course you recall. But if it's a business decision. Do you spend thirty million dollars for two and a half miles an hour when? The cars that have a problem. Are. Not. Statistically. Significantly different from the cars that don't. I don't know what to do. Still Denny had to make a decision. And for the second time. He voted not to recall the Pinto. Danny left Ford in nineteen seventy. Five. Three years later, four admitted there was a problem and recall the car. When we look back at moments in our lives that turned out badly. It can be easy to say what we might have done differently. We zero in on the moment things went wrong and say. That's what did it. That's the moment I would go back and change. In hindsight it all seems like common, sense But what it isn't so simple. What of these thoughts less about the past and more about us. About the comfort we seek in dealing with the chaotic and unpredictable world. Stay with. US. This message comes from NPR sponsor better help better help offers a licensed professional counselors who specialize in issues such as isolation, depression, stress, anxiety, and more connect with your professional counselor in a safe and private online environment. When you need professional help get help at your own time and your own pace schedule secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist. VISIT BETTER HELP DOT com slash hidden brain to learn more and get ten percent off your first month. When something good happens we tend to think that everything that led up to it was also good. If a rocket launcher successful than we assume all the preparation and engineering that went into, it must have been handled well too. And when something bad happens, let's say a plane crashes or a company goes bankrupt. Our first question usually is. Who messed. Up. Hidden. In this question is an assumption many of us make. If there's a bad outcome, then the processes that led up to it must've been flawed too. So when we think about the fiery accident that killed three, hundred girls in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, eight, it's easy to look at someone like Danny Joy and say there must have been something in recalled process that was rotten. Some big failure or misstep that he could and should have prevented. But engineer on sociologist Duncan. Says we shouldn't jump to that conclusion so quickly. He says this week thinking reveals something fundamental about the way we often fail to understand the past and plan for the future. To explain this idea, Dunkin tells a story. About another car crash, this is a terrible story and I picked it because it's a terrible story. This time instead of a Ford Pinto. The car is a minivan. It's the summer of two, thousand, one in Brooklyn Joseph, Gray is wrapping up an overnight shift at the precinct where he works as a police officer. I was actually supposed to play golf that day it was Kinda like overcast and drizzling a little bit in the morning. This is Steve from an interview of Great. Did a few years later with the staten. Island advance. When Gough plans are cancelled he decides to have a couple of beers with his colleagues around up in a bar in. that. And a couple. Of Is. Turns into. Twelve thirteen, fifteen biz he spends all day drinking and then he gets in his mini van and drops. So he's well, well the limit more than double. The legal limit and on the way home, he has a terrible accident. I remember going to hit the brakes as soon as I saw. If somebody by late. He runs a red light and he hits a young family. These, details are hard to describe. Maria Hariri's and sixteen year old sister across the street. The are killed instantly. Marinas four year old son is with that. His body is dragged one hundred feet under the vans bumper. Marie is also eight months pregnant. Later, her child is delivered by Caesarean section, but he doesn't survive. Joseph Gray is. faces a criminal trial and he is just you know understandably demonized by the media by the family of the victim by her husband. Eventually Joseph receives a maximum sentence of fifteen years. At the time a lot of people felt that wasn't long enough like Joseph getting off. Easy. What punishment could possibly be severe enough for such a terrible accident. But pay attention to this word. Accident. We want to think that this incident was caused by Joseph Grades Recklessness, and of course it was. But what how did think about are all the things that had to happen for the accident to occur. What if it hadn't been raining that morning and Joseph Gray ran golfing instead of to the bar. What if you went to the bar and got drunk but the bartender had told him, he couldn't drive and called a cab. What if you had started driving? But got stopped before he hit the Harare family. Let's imagine that everything that happened happened except that. Two minutes before you had the accident. Just Greg got pulled over by another police officer what do you think would happen he would have been One of these people who gets caught. With a high alcohol level driving and people say, oh, that's really bad. You shouldn't do that and you know you should. Maybe you should lose your license for six months and you should do some community service or pay a fine. But. Nobody would say you're a motor, you're monster. In this scenario where Joseph grade gets pulled over before he can hurt anyone there's nothing in his behavior that is any different. He behaves exactly the same way he did in the real life scenario when he killed Maria and her family. Of, course when Joseph decided to get behind the wheel of so many beers, he made it much more likely that something bad would happen. But in the hypothetical situation where no one gets hurt. It's not because Joseph decided not to drink and drive. In this other world he would have behaved in exactly the same responsible way. and. Nobody would think that he should go to jail for twenty years or else if they do then there's a lot of people. Should Be Kind Gel for twenty years anybody who's texting while driving or Anybody who's had a few drinks too many anybody who's distracted. All of these people are potentially. Going to kill somebody, and there's some other random thing out there that is determining whether something bad happens we're not. This. Idea that outcomes might in part be random and the result of good luck or bad luck. Can make us uncomfortable. When something happens good or bad, we are powerfully motivated to see the hand of intention addity and purpose. This bad thing happened because that bad person did something. Take that away from us and we are left not just with the terror of randomness. By the terror. Of meaninglessness. People associate randomness with an absence of meaning and often actually gotten this response people when I when I sort of walk them through this logic, they sort of look at me with this tired expression on their face and say. The Than nothing means anything right. and. I. Sort of. Find that to be. A strange response because. Meaning is something that we create. Right the world doesn't create meaning the world just does whatever the world does right where the ones who decide what it means. Right. So you know if you like randomly get on a plane or get bumped onto a different flight one day and the person you sit next to becomes your your your spouse. You know that will. Be a tremendously meaningful event in her life. But it's still random. In a complex world random things about to happen all the time. Most are mundane. Some delightful. A few are heartbreaking. We are mostly okay. When the random shapes, the mundane the traffic light turns red as I pull up at the intersection. But when it comes to good things and especially when it comes to bad things, the notion that wonderful and terrible things happen for no reason leaves US dissatisfied. Uneasy. I asked Duncan why he thinks this is. The short answer is I don't know. My best guess is that it's extremely adaptive. To believe that you understand the world, right? That you you want to think that you know you know what's going to happen because that means you can get out of bed you can take action you can invest in the future and I think that's probably where it comes from is that it's just a sort of adaptive response to the uncertainty of world. Duncan is not saying that Joseph Grace punishment was too harsh or too lenient. He saying that because we know what happened to the Harare family? It changes how we think about Joseph Gray's actions. Yes, we might be willing to concede that many random things had to happen for the tragedy to occur. But we prefer to ignore them when we make our calculus of right and wrong. We focus on Joseph Grays negligence because it gives us a feeling of control. We can do something about Joseph Gray. We can lock him up and throw away the key. We can't do anything about all the other random stuff. And that's terrifying. The same thing could be said of the Ford, Pinto Wants something terrible has occurred. It becomes nearly impossible to look back on the actions of the people involved with any sense of dispassionate. Our psychological defense systems demand a tidy explanation. We shrink away from anything that suggests messy nece randomness. Uncertainty. It's possible. There was negligence or. At Ford. Over the years some have claimed that four didn't intentionally make dangerous car while others have argued that the early Pinto crash tests reveal that executives at Ford new the Pinto was a dangerous car even before it left the assembly line. We reached out to Ford for comment and they declined our request. But our story isn't about the executives at Ford and what they did or did not know. It's about Denny Joya a mid level employees who says he did not know about the Pinto's fuel tank problem until he discovered mysterious report on his desk in nineteen. Seventy four. Up until that moment and through the end of his tenure at Ford in nineteen seventy, five denny followed a clear process for deciding whether to recall cars. Since, the company couldn't initiate a recall. Every time something went wrong with any car on the road. It needed a system for determining if a problem was a real problem or just a fluke. If Denny, wanted to recommend to recall, he needed to be able to show two things evidence that something was broken. And a patron of failure. The Pinto never rose to that standard. He sent up red flags about the car twice but both times he looked at the evidence himself and voted not to recall. You might hear this and think we're letting Danny off the hook. Maybe Danny should have resigned in protest when he saw the burned out Pinto in the company warehouse. Maybe, he should've blown the whistle to the media when the mysterious report done up on his desk. Or maybe he should have just voted to recall the Pinto even if it meant ignoring his standard. That last thought has plagued any himself. Certain circles uncertifiable villain. Guilty. Of protecting innocent unsuspecting people driving a Pantley dangerous car this tape from a voice memo Danny Santos in two thousand nineteen. It was in response to a call out seeking stories from listeners who felt haunted by something in their past. Am I haunted by those decisions? My answer is a resounding. Yes. And invalid. Not. Because after all of these forty six years later. I remain of two minds about whether I. Did the right thing in voting not recall Pinto. Denny's conscience is heavy with the same question that Duncan Watts his asking just because the outcome was bad. Does that mean that Danny did the wrong thing back when he was at Ford? Do. The terrible deaths of the three hundred girls mean that Denny's criteria for instigating a recall were bad. Or is it possible that sometimes bad things happen even when good people are doing their best This is very hard to accept psychologically. Bad outcomes cost a halo around everything that came before them and it's next to impossible to see through the hail to reality. Dunkin, watts again so the halo effect shows in in lots of circumstances where. You know for example, people who are good looking. Tend to be righted as more intelligent than people who are not good looking even though looks and intelligence have nothing to do with each other that is just something that human psychology does. And the same thing is true for success and failure. So if a company is successful, we look at the things that it's doing and we say those must be really good things right? Those are good processes. Now, the good leadership good teamwork, good communication, good vision good execution. And if the same company is not successful, we say. All those things were bad. This halo effect. Really is very deep and profound and Honda shake right. A process that led to some outcome. But really we're just reflecting outcome itself. And this really gets in the way of evaluating processes. The story of Danny Joya is more than just a story about a car company and a defective car. It's a story about how we think about the past and what that means for how we think about the future. When we look back our minds, create stories that explain how events came about. Retrace bad things to bad people good things to good people. We already know how things turned out. So it's easy to ten apart the good guys from the bad guys. But notice how this breaks down when we think not of the past. But of the future. Now, we don't have the final outcome to guide our conclusions. Now things look confusing. Messy. Random. Just like now, everybody's saying well, of course, we had a pandemic people warning about it. If only we paid attention to them, we would have stopped this right. So we really we have this view that whether we explicitly say it or not that. You know there is this thread that goes from the past into the future we think that there is this one. Trajectory that the world is going to take, and if only we were smart enough, we could somehow. What thread that is And that. Is wrong and there is no thread. There is just sort of an infinite cloud of possibilities. The future has not been created yet. What did that infinite cloud of possibilities? Look to denny in one thousand, nine, seventy, four. Let's try to time travel back to the Ford Recall Office. That year. Then he is looking through his files on Ford's various vehicles. He looks a little tired maybe from another sleepless night worrying about work. As we watch him perhaps he opens his file on the Pinto. We can tell it's bothering him, but it has not yet risen to a standard for recommending a recall. So he closes the file and gets back to his other work. This younger denny does not know what we know. That, the five he just put away will be the beginning of a long and terrible ordeal. Of course even in our imaginary time machine, it's difficult to ignore what we already know. Even. Denny who lived through it has trouble getting back in his twenty-seven-year-old head. So, if you were to go back in time right now to make that decision over again, based on the data that you're telling me, you could just go back with your with with maturity and experience, but not necessarily the knowledge of how things turned out for Ford. Would you vote differently? The honest answer is I don't know. I, two of Dunkin Watts about the Ford Pinto Story and shed with him. Then he's intuition. Denny's a situation where he knows something terrible has happened but the techniques and rules he had to detect problems did not alert in that there was a problem. So He's not quite sure right now whether to abandon rules or to you know except that sometimes good rules lead to bad consequences. If you accept the process that they had at the time as the right process. Then I think I agree with him right? Like it's very hard for him to to unlearn what he knows now. He can't for sure site that he would have made a different decision because he believes that they had a good process. And it just happens to be a good process that didn't work in that particular case. All of this begs the question. How much do we really understand about the past? How much can we understand? According to Duncan not much. That's why he advocates with something called epidemic humility. We should be humble about what we think we nought and even humble about what we can. And I think that if we if we were more comfortable with not knowing the answers to thinks we would. We would be less confident about the answers that we come up with and we would be less inclined to make confident predictions based on really shaky assumptions. Right and I believe that would help us to avoid some particularly damaging overreaches associated with Hubris. But where does that leave us What did we do? Once? We realize we don't know as much about the past as we think we do. In a world shaped by epidemic humidity, we would commission reports and launch congressional inquiries, not just when things go wrong but also when they go right. We would see that good outcomes can sometimes be produced by bad systems. We would ask how we can fix problems that haven't happened. We might also be more humble when it comes to confident conclusions when things go wrong. Yes it's easy pleasurable even to blame our political opponents or arrivals when tragedy strikes. But it would be more honest to acknowledge that the choices that led to bad outcomes will made in the context of confusion and doubt. The uncertainty we all experience when we think about the future. That same confusion was experienced by people in the past. This week show was produced by catch up next pop shop. It was edited Tara boy and Ranucolo. Team includes Laura Chorale Jenny Schmidt and Thomas Lou. Engineering support from Josh Noah. Our unsung hero this week is Erin Register. Aaron is an associate project manager at NPR, but a business cards should probably read. Verson who makes things happen? Erin is the person who brings together different teams from across NPR to make sure the launch of new shows and other big projects go smoothly. Her job is one part herding cats. One part people management bow difficult tasks that she handled beautifully. 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"I've. been. On, hang on HANG ON HANG ON WE'RE STARTED STARTING UP Yet. I say some top secret pre show stopped right Well Shit after an unintentional week long hiatus. Welcome back to evening skis I'm trying crowder nets mark edgy over there. Yeah Tuesday August eighteenth, and we once again apologize profusely for the technical mishaps that waylaid last Thursday's up. So skews out of nowhere not going to dwell on Matt still don't know what the hell happened, but it doesn't matter what is we're back and we're glad y'all are back here with us We're not if you watch the video explaining it, you know that I had like a little studio setup going and we're not in that. Now that part of that is just me being gun shy over what happened in just wanting to stick to what we had done before and what works you know. So enough of that, welcome to the skis. As you know, we like to start off here with the latest in American dumb assery. Do. What Would you say? It's S. It's the audio, the thing. Dan this technical stuff going to be the death of me Mark Anyway we'll start out with the latest in American dumb ass theory in tonight's no different except it's a little bit different because it's tougher. Because last Thursday's. ill-fated episode the Dumb Shit item of the day for that episode is just in my opinion too good to not circle back to agree. Yes. So last week, America conservatives were reminded of two things that they so infrequently experience themselves that they forget that they exist and I'm talking about hip hop music and satisfied vaginas. Rap, superstars. Cardi B. and Megan the stallion release their immediate smash hit wipe WAP which Diane's for wet asked Pussy. And believe it or not. Republicans were not overly. Thrilled I believe with content of it. You share your screen of us where you were on wwl. Am I God all right. I gotta get better at this man. I thought I. had it all figured out. Here we go. I think is the right thing. Yes. Here we go. Republicans were not into it. Can you hear it mart now? Now. Here recital ear explore WBZ's Lana. Nerb list. Yeah and we're still going to hear it. We're going to hear it. We're GONNA do this. Here we go. Here are similar to. In this house, there's horse in this house. There's some horse in this house. There's some horse in this house hold up. I said certified freak seven days a week wet asked P-word make that out. Game Week. Yeah you. With some wet asked Keyword Female Genitalia bring a bucket a mop for this wet asked. Give me everything you got for this wet. Asked me word. beat up. N Word can't you charge. So. They, talent this listening bishop you're trying to do it. No Shit Man. That of course that clip was immediately taken by the Internet and remixed into its own version of the song, which is itself kind of a BOP. Internet is something else but it went further with Ben Shapiro than just that an and I'm sure everybody knows Ben Shapiro was like. You know he's like a Hobbit in Ronald? Reagan's middle. Ours you know as as. As their Washington face while they silicon has, he has to be the top. Things. Usually, has at least repeal. But he he didn't just get mocked for this. He obviously doubled down on his criticism of the song and everything and in doing so he said. He publicly said that his wife who's a gynecologist I guess had informed him that. Wet Pussy is that's unhealthy like that's not a good sign you know his his wife. Is Not for me you know. She's direct. Yeah, right. Yeah. But she told him like she told him that that's not a good thing. You don't want that and he publicly stated this, which is just like. Imagine fucking ripping on yourself that hard not even known. You know what? I mean it's over saw. Or passes since the nineties like to reward those Ninni started with on. And Win Win. You know to get arrested or rap. If you've got arrested for selling that realms, we have the same. Always Zander Metro. Like do you know? Nineteen sixties the FBI did true year investigation kingsman because they Louis Louis was telling you access. The other song the in with with the these kids from Seattle is covered a race on they didn't understand the lurs nonsense that low. And is they? were. The stand it. That was what was making their kids. Second note they had cars there. The first generation cars they're banning the backseat it wasn't. Well you said, it was because I didn't understand it. But like that's that's in my opinion like everything outrages them is it's all just things they don't understand you know and they they react very negatively to not understanding something they get like confused and scared, and that makes them pissed off and that sort of their kind of life cycle of outrage I feel like. They're fear at right now. Look near the new slaves Jesus fuck you add now's of your spouse or. How many looking con Yay songs do you think any of them know are Reciting lyrics to they don't that they don't. They're not fans of as music. You know it's the exact opposite of like rat fans respect as music but don't fuck with any of his rambling lunacies or his politics or whatever you know. For them yeah. Favorite when that they like I don't know who knows at poll testing. GonNa stop as easy way to appeal suburban MOMS the outcome understand suburban moms like lake like. Thirty five year old were you know? Twenty, five were twenty in two thousand by so they chicken, they're asked to allow this. I don't know the same moves gonNA work. Out But a the one cars like I heard I was horrified is the day to socket we're fide. When I heard it. Accidentally all. About how? America, it's. Always America's. Kids it's always the kids with somebody. Think of the kids you know unless they're Mexican in a cage, but otherwise thank of the kids or getting shot in school otherwise think of the kids but. It they a lot of the debate if you had to like like if you look at the politicized version of the debate over the song about. Feminism you know it's the ones on the right side like this isn't feminism. This is bullshit. This sets women back or whatever you know whereas the left as it has a female empowerment anthem and embracing Feminine Sexuality, and all this stuff. Is. Just you know saying that that's bullshit. Is just a two minute fifty song. They had saw that silly about having. It be view meaning as thirty that. We make a mix of being willing to begin go. On strike. These didn't with W. Adams spot don't. Say. That wasn't the only aspect of the controversy though the video features. Cardi Cardi and Megan. cavorting with an assortment of exotic animals, snakes, and big cats and stuff like that and the latter drew the ire of Tiger Kings on Carol Baskin who spoke out. Her spoke out against the video saying that it encourages animal cruelty with its use and exploitation of big cats right at Cardi B. responded to Carol Bask in and said quote. I'm not going to engage with Carol Baskin on that. Like that's just ridiculous. You know oh Lord like girl you killed your Goddamn. which really really had for my Cardi B.. Hits. Ran General I like her. Like yes also she keeps. Real. But. But. Anyway you know I'm sure some how they will mostly in psychologically recover from this rap song that came out and they'll be okay moving forward. So. I wanted to talk about some of that because I found it also amusing but moving onto. To today's dumb shit item of the day we actually are turning I think mark correct me if I'm wrong maybe for the first time to the Democrats to the American left is this the first time? We'd featured our own party in the in the dumb shit of the day. Think it is. Often. But. We. Keep it real here on the skews it is what it is. You know those dumps Shit we're going to highlight it and this was an opinion. Pretty dumb. So this is from the Democratic National Convention was started last night. I'm not gonNA play the whole thing but here you go please fake Jesus let this clip work. Mark Yes. Yeah. Song. All. Not. You. Divorced. Backward. Fans. Mood. So look. Like I don't even know where here here's my main thing with this. I'm not really bothered bothering anything like that by like the politics of the song choice necessarily or whatever. But we can talk about that too because there is something to talk about their but I to maybe. As a as a liberal as a Democrat and as I, you know a creative person. If it's just upsetting to me a little bit because we're always rightfully shitting on conservatives for their lack of taste. You know the right can't maim. They're not good at the Internet. They're not good at jokes. They're not good at like you know they put out there like version of this is always very cringe-worthy and whatnot, and now that is true but I would just. Like to see us do a little bit better the Nishit right here like you can't look this and not laugh at it in my opinion because of just how it's just goofy. The whole thing is go I support the message behind it. Of course, I do know like they're going forward. It's all just. So book on the nose and poorly executed you know and like I just. I just don't give them any ammunition to point and laugh though way do all the time. A. Reasonable I don't the only thing that everybody resolve their definition. You're moving public service plumbing good replace expression the right and you give people stacks. Stop You must stand the anthem was let's ample belaid like. Looking, at what we're doing like the Nazis at least like faulkner in cool s you go bosses and Mercedes benzes mercedes-benz tanks. We get. Chintzy, red hats. But. Youtubers of blind you to resolve maggots Laney's cheating Shitty are original songs about rate trumpets and that's Terrible and then. Notable left wing party is trying to replicate this. Eight level. Of Music medium and this is like Nutley again, billboards great Stephen Stills. Great. So great of release together with that terrible backdrop although the orbs was amazing in favor of that. You could have gotten. Lake did want protests on about the void protests dirt bunch the Chemo Robert Hall students. Right. Now that we're not the target of this measure who this heart trying to love or this this type things but I don't think why anybody. But. Well, I mean like look we're talking about entertainers the right has like. Ted nugent and Roseanne or you know like what? Like? They've got. Tim Allen they've got a Scott Bio you know Clint Eastwood and as Chair. I But they're you know they're not pulling from the biggest list is my point I take don't have a whole lot of options. Armenta right. Right. Yeah, no I think you're right I I. Think you're right to I. Don't I don't think Clinton lately fucks with trump, but but the left though. has got like everybody else and like you said, these two artists themselves are both immensely talented. Awesome. But I'm just saying with that kind of creative brain trust you just you just hope it would turn out a little bit better even giving the limitations of the era we live in with the pandemic and all of that. It's just it's a pretty big stage in pretty high profile you know. We're trotting this out there. Little web video we wanted to like. But that obviously, that's just a little sidebar from the DNC so far I mean it's going on right now who knows what's happening while Y'all are here with us Bill. Clinton was. To Man. I at. The headliner last night, the first night, the convention was Michelle Obama who by all accounts crushed, which I agree with by the way she was a great great speech. She did a great job trump weirdly wasn't a big fan of it And he trump went after Michelle Obama for her speech and all the shit she talked about him rightfully. So on the same day that he Made. This big like gesture towards women trying to court suburban women specifically keeps calling him housewives even though most of women were, but he's really going hard after suburban women right now and yesterday was a big part of that. We he had this whole movement of honoring because today is the hundred year anniversary of women gaining they're out to vote in this country. so He's been going through this whole thing of honoring suffragettes specifically. Susan. B. Anthony who he made a big show of pardoning yesterday and just a big thing about like honoring women was really high on trump's list yesterday specifically. But then he kept that off with disrespecting and talking shit to the most recent first lady the end of it. So all very trumpy. Me Everything is, yes plays first of all lake. This wasn't some sort of I? Wanted to live a thinks about suffrage enough to be. Able finish studied or whatever believe. Women aren't grateful for being able to vote. It's taken as a granted sorta rights as a human being to is patronizing that little to Susan B. Anthony as Lou and not is executive part part. He sitting apartment is admission of guilt to attrition her actual trial, which was found guilty. She was charged. Using aren't honor Fi wish you spoke to jail she didn't pay. She told the judge to squawk never pay a dime of his county. The giants decided not to arrest her because if he did to get appeal the case, Supreme Court embarrassments, she probably would want late so. Anyway. She. Trump's grew up and at the end of story, it's a dulling. Yes I agree But back to the DNC. They got we got some interesting speakers lined up the Democrats do They're speaking spots being given to Colin. Powell John Casick Meg Whitman Cindy McCain I get all that and I'm not I'm not opposed to that because I get the idea you know you got prominent Republicans or former Republicans or whatever speaking at the DNC because that's how shitty trump is. But at the same time, they gave literally one minute sixty seconds to. who sort of this rising star on the left and? I may what what do you think? That's about. I think in general, it's probably smart politically. Because nobody wants especially. Is Not a convention Berkeley whenever it feels dead probably no one's watching it. But what it does create a second day narrative you'll see headlines The papers mar about. By solidifies moderate Republican support and IOS like mission structure. Castle Republicans. To be like Oh, they're binds not sincere. Honest. So probably baby trump saying that route leads would probably more literally I find it. Annoying. was new. PODCAST blow blowback about Iraq is the Iraq war history and you don't come out of it with a good Colin Powell. I and. So I don't know. I mean he's A. Coalition of American politics that doesn't worker requested to ask I. Don't know right mean. Yeah. That's a good point and also as always you know criticizing ourselves here but they on the other side or just still so much worse because when it comes to their speakers, they've got lined up I know they've got the. Nick Sand or Salmon Monari set that that former high school kid and went viral for getting in the face of that native American protesters in front of the Lincoln Memorial while wearing a Maga hat and all this shit came out lighter about how like all that was little out of context or whatnot and like you know maybe it was taken like it was maybe vilified Luma more should have but just like. Still wearing that hat and getting up in that guy's face to begin with is you know bad enough but also just the fact that gains him this headlining spot I don't know he's probably not headlining but this speaking engagement at the RNC. You know is a little silly and also they've announced that the the ever bodies favorite. boomer married couple the Saint Louis Gun couple which I don't know what else to call him. But the people who went viral it's just go got goes viral and then just to speak shit. The couple in Saint, Louis Missouri who went viral for coming out on their front lawns when there is black matter protests walking by the street and they came out on their front lawns brandishing. Weapons at them and then said lighter that they were. They only did that because they were. They feared for their lives because of the presence of the protesters and they had the route of the castle doctrine all this. They were just defending their property against these vicious protesters and they also are speaking our NC. So you know. We're so sure lawyer is a crappy his pants about yet but. On a criminal charges, talk about starters impulse. Not. As smart. They like the point is, is the perfect symbol late. Modern Lay Open Gary, your team culture because he did not use God's. You saw. The guy was holding a gun left handed pointing at. Fired you WANNA kill his life jammed as lamb and like Bernard his titties lot a purchase in. The. No not just pure. Pure. A fashion, his final race, litter? Rolex. Yeah do you do you think it's weird and I'm surely this has happened and maybe just didn't get. A high level of coverage or maybe I just missed it but it's kind of weird to me that there. Hasn't been a high profile example of people like that. Who Do that with guns because like there's been so many of them we see them all the time the fuck, and you know Mall Ninjas with their Kala duty gear on at the fucking Arby's or whatever. That there hasn't been a high profile instance of Swan of them. Straight up shooting somebody like even on accident because of how dumb they are with their guns like. I mean I've see stories, but it doesn't have on camera basically got fixed. We. Text. livestream himself revolves last week isn't the wrangling mean guys point there handguns at their at their job. I don't know why they loaded for the videos be. Loaded with they do it got sean. Went through his Mafra Day he became a hero facebook groups as liberate that stuff. He's a leedle end. Again. That's the standard they have for legends you now So moving on as a world without neutral modeling Arabia's. Unreal. So moving on the post office continues to be a hot topic in America, which is something they're surely not used to like. WHO has ever? You know. been this upset regarding the post office right but it's been the massive issue for you know wakes now and rightfully. So because of trump in his administration's outright attack. On the institution, it's so funny because last week is nothing we're going to talk about on the show trump just like literally came right out and said it I mean literally came right out and said it that. He's blocking funding for the post office in order to stop mail in voting. It's like I said like it's so clear that he's fucking with the post office worried about mail in voting and everybody on the rats like no no, it's not what it is. It's small government thing is trying to like you know just get the post office back in back in line fiscally and they're losing money and all that type of Shit, and then he goes on Fox, news and just straight up says like you know. They were holding this money from them. They need that money in order to be able to take all these ballots but you know if they don't have it if they don't have the money, you can't have mail in voting because they're not equipped to have it and just literally it's one of those things we've talked about foreign show where it's like he says the quiet part out loud in. I mean it's really big help because he. Loses. Administration Luth light or cases because one thing we exact opposite or on Cable News and say the exact opposite the ability to keep them secret or to plan your it out like it's it's it's like even you see somebody like Out No Sign of big movie deal but the news leaks off threat. Like one of those things really he gave me. You lose a lot. Baseball's filter and. So. People have been fired up about it. People have been going to the Postmaster General Louis Joys, Howson protesting in front of it and things like that against this. Ongoing news story for a while now and I guess weirdly that has seemed to have some effect because said, postmaster general came out this week and said that he was going to roll back a lot of that but he left some wiggle room in there. Right so yeah, I mean it may slightly. Some of these really somebody's news are like fire up the true believers in. Madrid fashion like Bill Maher you can enjoy all day. Monday. But Louis Louis Jordan here he did. He did not sign up to you're at a ratchet or whatever all he wanted to do was you know a few bucks himself and go home without being Apollo Villain. And trump going in the news and saying it's all part of a politically. Estimated it to like steal some. Stuff for my ups I wasn't trying to be the face. Of Villainy in a history book. So he he's trying to back public, but some of the. Undo. They the resilient was accused. Statements. That puzzles hours will not change but what occasion hours Laurien those the earth processing with the mailbox won't whatever she's already been removed. Over tunnel but still be approved oil as needed. was A me. And the post has a pretty strong unions late where trump's statements on the. Court illegal stuff. Trump card and give away the game so. Hopefully won't be lose his case for. The election. Yeah. person. Right well, you know. I don't know I mean what do you like? What do you think people need? To do today approach this whole thing I saw an editorial, l.. A. Times. Today talking about. Telling. People not to mail letters in October or something like that. Other than ballots was like urging people to not use the postal service for anything other than just mail-in in ballots because they're so worried about this whole situation Mike do you How big of a thing? Do you think this is gonNA end up being. So come back on all the romantic bowlen's sending people. WHO's. Just, mail bills. Right. WHO's right? writes what's so does that mean? That does that mean that you think it's At the end of the day going to. Like work itself out or not be that big of an issue. How worried are you about about this? Sh-. It's So. I was never liberals now though is like knowing student think. Course Ole surly like you saw. It wants the biggest deal about this Integrative Caucus Joe Mansur. Is the farthest right Democrat in innocent getting Jim Cooper who's a from sewer district is rural like this the they're they're coming out superstar swimming against. This must have been like this among like World Base I. So. I don't think it was ever GonNa work. But where civil? One nothing he doesn't like that. Ryan. Well Utah Rural voters like? fucking over the US Postal Service fucks over rural Americans way more than others. You know because like a lot of rural Americans I in my hometown I mean unless things have changed there's no you don't have. There's no ups or Fedex like it's just the post office. A lot of places like. In the planes and in places like that where you know you got a small town bit just as opposed office, it might be fucking miles. By A. Fifty fucking miles to. A Fedex office or whatever so. It's like roll services small government, the printed they don't really like that. These rantings you be the same way the aren't like a mailing would still be cheaper than city like a limited summer Los Angeles but there's probably like. Are People within a mile and year, and so I just lake bulk rates mailing a letter would even if you're Margaret fifty cents year it be be fifteen dollars a month. There's no you want to cure a connect the Roy rogue. Nation there'd be no eight run. It would. Right So. Trump is just you know he's been on one. Of course, he's been since two, thousand sixteen but another big thing with trump specifically was last night in a rally in Oshkosh. Wisconsin He said this what he said I was read the quote. We're GONNA win four more years, and then after that, we'll go for another four years because they spied on my campaign we should get a Redo of four years. So trump I am the he thinks he should have third turn like he's broaching the subject of. Of having. More than two terms and he's justifying it by saying way. Fuck him over. But like okay what I thought him over out of his first. He got his first term like he's in it he's been in it. And I know it's like fucking. It's the ultimate. You know fruitless endeavor trying to make sense of the fucking shit that he says, but like. What? I wish the Democrat steel. Is. That understand that things not a leading true possible doesn't mean you shouldn't advocate for them. There's voters here. Politics Boaters posits get. But here, aspiration I. Here's what I would do. I would build a wall t-ball the Brownie. Would against third terrific no. Yeah I. I think there should be possible to at they had. So the riled them up like where the opposite happens when sixteen, where he would say some British you might get done and here's the thing listing all this stuff. She couldn't do me Ostler give you their lives. And the there's also themselves. Well right and also like you know it straight up says point blank in the constitution that. No president will serve more than two terms. There's no Redo clause. In there but also beyond that like his justification is he should get a Redo because the Democrats spied on him but. When he talks about spying that was that was a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI into Russia's meddling in the two, thousand, sixteen election, which is also again relevant because the Senate Senate Intelligence Committee released their final report on the bipartisan investigation into Russia's meddling in twenty, six teen and. I mean on the one hand. It's a lot of shouldn't there that we kind of already know but on the other hand, it's like. Just it lays out a bunch of. Y oppressing shit like it's depressing all over again that none of that ever really amounted to anything you know because it's right there turns out a Bob Muller was a Have this Muck Liley? He wasn't super interested in. Solving, this were. Actually achieved anything because the said the the the Senate Republicans were in Bob Muller was and We, we can travel one and I love takes about rush thing is and isn't but It was never going to bring him down is garden variety graft corruption. Only difference is the pillbox the diller except for the was making more legal with Mike Care about any more than say Exxon by opposition or whatever. And I. Hope I, I. Dunno know now what? What, what is a? Big Mistake. Ever make it was very convenient for everyone right in the left like Mike. People elevated to be this cartoon super villain plot, right. People Right, Dick, to make it look impossible and. The far left it's looking. At and people in the center and did it to make trump look Cartoon. Subaru but. He's the melt fat bullets on it was what he was just basic bribery. The Russian. DC Get passed through? Been Pretty obvious rushing thirteen we do that shit to Voice of America is not evil the. and. If you will even understood what it was, you have been added impeachment hearing the mate sets, which is trump was gonna lift sanctions that he doesn't understand economics inches over humanitarian though it doesn't care about that thinks cynical bullshit as a false facade wanted to get down to business, and if you get grammar cut himself little rushmore comedy. Sure why not? Extend of it in. Russia's mart. Short. Help too late trump wait around the weekly spur enough. The weather women got a newspaper. So made their their they're. Nickname actually back to do that, I don't know whether negotiated with do that time usurping sign of weakening Strauss, but he's also Drops busy conspiracy theorists. Out like. A. Favorite, which the spirit of the knows is off as he's the central Eric Rene, it doesn't wake morning. Do Anything is still likes it it it. It. Just also cartoon ridiculousness had sent hearings about money laundering and bribery. That's about right but everything's gotta be cartoonish ridiculous nowadays, actually I want I want you to I. Want you to talk about too. cartoonish stories specifically, the first one is part of this story. Please tell people about that excerpt from this report about the sex show that trump Okay. So this is testimony might think by calling. It a reverse. Brown the United States Senate. Intelligence. Committee reports about current president of the United? States. So when you're grossed out by this Is. Not Me this is the Senate, the president and at near the sexual in Las Vegas. so It's a clothing puts show. You never really know what the show is going to be this specific as the brought, the young man Leotard Vice. Who to me? I would diagnosed him as bad. Baby now not. Google s apparently there's a into. Medicine Gay kids in the seventies eighties or whatever, and the side effects are I don't know the clinical term, your arms and legs. Of your body's yeah. You're probably kid leader Bodysuit and Michael Cohen describes the L.. And he was blind as well but he sang like Roddick. While he was singing, I forget the song. God bless America types. So you got a kid. Conditions and blind, but dancing seen God bless America. Is the woman Thong Bikini who was lars a big big beautiful woman offering sex wanting while he was singing so this. Port victim of some type of sex trafficking or kid is seeming while this woman probably giving them moral sex. Interesting witness prominent sign was not place I expected to do with an APP. So this is the presence idea. Go to the sexual. Yeah. Around trump drug him to this show. Looked over to me when he was speaking from assuming I'm assuming mean the song. And I'll never forget this you looking right in the face and he goes that's a tough way to make a living. Funny. That's funny. That's like the trump is hilarious but. I, usually in like very infuriating and also unintentional way but like you know that's funny. In the it's it's a good line. But Jesus, Christ my like this, like the Piston report knowledge stuff and it's like again that these types of things like I I know I know this gets parroted all the time but sincerely though like just imagine. Any, one of those two things this or the piston thing. Having come out about fucking Barack Obama you know like and they don't even scratch the surface. This is such a footnote, an afterthought. To trump's presidency that most people don't even even fucking know about it, you know and like. It's just. It's insane. It's wild and like. fucking. Shame kink shame and nobody I'm just saying you have the. President of the United States going God donkey shows and stuff, and it don't even register you know like. Tadao. There willingly I don't really have any problem as the. By the way, the calling number of dimmer, the name of the club, but based on testimony by the witnesses. They figured out what was a place called the act, which is now closed in Vegas. On missions the. Man another tragic casualty of covid nineteen, I'm assuming. That place. So here here's the other thing I said, there was too cartoonish ridiculous stories. I wanted you to Regale us with the other one is actually believe it or not from outside of America our neighbors in the great white north. Canada. And a little bit of political scandal. I don't know about scandal but situation right now with one of their top political commentators in the country of Canada who is apparently a sock. You WanNa feel like we're not going wrong for a few seconds tests. Every country has their their their variable ADC's So there's a a radical centrist. Like discrepancy. Hit right in. Like. Joe Roby. Was a little more normally right? So is it makes ed the sock? Now had the stock. So he got a little hot water this week because. He's a big of a like the Liberal Party, which is Justin viewers choir, which in the context of lean centers. Still there's a right wing guy seek named Jagmeet Singh are. Jagmeet Singh. Otherwise guy is politics. So it probably agree with a lot blended ed the sock started calling him a jug head sing. Now Jug. Obviously the dumb cartoon character. But it also people racist racist that it's the Swiss. Association of Immigrants Name and secondly pre races he's calling guy who wears carbon, right? Yeah. Carbon. Yeah. So it's been all mad as there because like like this bay supporter Trudeau and like making politicians go issue. So it's like there have been a royal in a huge slow controversy yelling about. And I, just don't it. Yeah. But you know and. Stunned last house man but. It makes her. Discourse, about the cardio. So. Yeah. I don't Know My. Damn world. What are you GONNA do Another. This isn't this isn't nearly as funny. Not even remotely as funny or cartoonish or whatever but in terms of. Like being reminded that we're not the only ones with all this fuck shit going on. Belarus is election you know or the the basically the dictator there they had an election, the Just. Just claimed victory even though that's not the case and there's been a bunch of protesters and they're cops suck to turns out Ben abusing the shit out of the protesters and that guy came out and literally said. Ed. They they'll have to kill me to have another election A. Poor choice of words maybe be my but now we'll see what happens. Well, how awesome can't the president of billers? What are the perks? It's probably better than being you know. The principal and Belarus or whatever. He probably gets a pension. Your children, your kids. Are At so We don't. Want Luckily was through. But they swore he won the election like a lot but everybody goes people screaming Rochat end. So they haven't felt I'd seen a single axle voter is. Right. All right. So let's see what jobs are up to over here get into the comments and stuff I say some people talking about The Quyen. where I come from I'm from I'm from Tennessee. Yes a deity, the goddess herself, the Almighty Dolly Parton. Bid Some opinion classic Dolly Parton Shits when she came out and supported black lives matter recently not everybody felt that way although before we get in as I, do think like Dali. So universally beloved in such a natural. Treasure that like. There wasn't that much of a backlash or anything even from people on the right because that's just how much people love. Dali. But not everybody was happy about this interview a Billboard magazine where they asked her about black lives matter and she said something like, of course, black lives matter. What do you think are she said something like what are you think our white asses are the only ones that matter of course, black lives matter something like that and And again to me if you know anything about dollar ever like really paying attention to the Dalai that's. Very on brand for her she's always been cool shit in that way and loves everybody but some people did get upset there was a Who is Deanne something? She's a a a hard hard right-wing gop candidate for something somewhere. You. Know I'm talking about she's always saying shit like this she she tweeted during the she tweeted earlier. George Fluids family was GONNA have a speaking engagement the DNC, and she said, how did they get George Fluids family to agree to that? Did they offer them free math? So like she's wild but she was one that will say boycott Dolly Parton for support black lives matter. Kind of what is put almond here's. A she had the number one country album, two, thousand, sixteen mark. Did. Not mean insult the Dalai I was like, what do you? Believe. In that. First of all. These. People are all for E. Boycotting Dolly, Parton but also they're always talking about boycott this boycott that. And the people are always screaming this. He's like hardcore rat wingers like dude. They don't give a fuck about you like you think they're gonNA. Kowtow to you to. to keep you from boycott in them and in doing. So piss off the massively larger number of people who would be upset by doing that you don't I talk to. Target target gives a fuck about y'all deciding not to shop there anymore like new Nascar held black is matter events. Do you know what I mean? They know the deal like they have opted to write y'all off. In favor of. The. You know the ball progress or whatever. That's a candidate and not one, but there's a bunch of late. Late. Late PROVOCATEUR, as. running for office Zaire to give them a little bit of like. A varnish. Respectable like Laura Loom one of Florida twenty-first. Tonight under underlaw rich mostly mostly what she's done is. Herself to twitter's had worse. She got bands and yell alongside outs Jones at a congressional hearing. shadow in. All, she's done just. Primary. So his campaign has justly rainiest. IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA win they're just trying to get on Fox News Times. Maybe get her twitter account backs the. Using texture singer so I've won wish that winning seriously but. Lula well again, like with her with her in the thank specifically I don't feel that very many people did take it seriously like you've got some coverage. There was a lot of headlines of stuff about the riots backlash the Dalai saying that whatnot. But I feel like there wasn't really much of a backlash because again, that's just how beloved Dolly Parton is, but there was another. Not that high profile, but somewhat prominent. Opposers to Dolly Parton saying this and people are bringing up the comments. and His name Stuart Baker because by unknown Hinson and he's a I've known about him for a long time because he he voices early cuyler on Squid Billy's. But also he's like wild, ass like. I don't even know how to put it like a fucking gutter ass Elvis. But. Country Artists like half novelty artists and he's got all this. He's wild. He's wild motherfucker and I'm not gonNA. Lie I've known about his shit for a long time. I didn't know anything about his politician. And I was a fan of his I like I liked his like his whole thing I like squid billy's alike where he does trae you call Dolly Parton. SLUT and fuck him forever now like Dude I can. It's Dali, against everybody as far as I'm on team dollar no matter who's on the other side pretty much forever and for always. But this dude, he went on a tirade on his social media after after Dali said this and yes, called her a freak Titi Bitch and said all kinds of just unforgivable Jimbo slut says she betrayed or heritage Percent Of. Black Lab Matt. and. I'll Colin people defending or rice traders. Now, that just all kinds of crazy shit and yeah, you'll never believe that but that didn't go over very well and I'm like a lot of his fans I'm sure are also on the right and everything and he got ripped in to hike by pretty much everybody and you know rightfully. So but also got fired by adult swim I'M NOT GONNA lie. I didn't know that show was still going even though I had been a fan of it must be for fifteen years now but either way he yeah, he got fired and shutdown because you know you come into quaint you best not miss man then he made another facebook post. Of course, he's victim buying the yet you destroyed good man. You're cartoon job that bad don't. Run your mouth. As Woods who joins US frequently said he was like coming in today and asked if we had talked about the my pillow guy and his his cova cure no, we have not. Mark. Well, you know about this I am aware of it but I haven't read in detail on it. A really solid vasan hooper embarrassing should implants new wells. Basically. Being like the you're not an expert, they put you on a board of his company. The year, the president you're pushing it because you state company. Sleep at night or twenty questions asked the. At. The Would use pushing. Work the new one one if. I. Don't know. Is it I'll ace said something like Alejandro? Yes. Those new doing they're pushing guess that's the. Best that one This is truly poisonous literally poisoned only. Which is Legalize it. Wasn't the president drink poison. The cold here but like it's like. People are big oil. Would he be? Right But also like, and again I I. I saw this embrace earlier but not I didn't look into it in detail but like. Is this guy really got like influence like he's like he's pushing this poison cure bays the fucking my pillow guy right like what? He's Also give me third day. Yeah I don't know what I'm talking about. We were just on here a couple of weeks ago talking about that That fucking ghost what that lady who's talking about being? Ripe in your dreams by ghost, and that's where that's where sickness comes from or whatever, and they're they were listening to to her so. I'm sure they do listen to the my pillow guy. Is. Considered A. here's another one. Yes. Robin Floyd Robyn Floyd said, Taylor Swift also talk back to trump. That's Taylor Swift. Publicly. Commented on the. Post Office thank talking about how people should care and house major issue and whatnot unlikely first of all. I'm not I don't listen to music. But I I. I've always been Taylor swift apologised A lot of people love tyler but she gets some backlash people who are too cool for her music or whatever else and I've always. I've always been a Taylor swift fan. Even I don't listen to her music, but also no matter what you think or feel about Taylor swift like. You. CanNot deny her platform is fucking massive massive. She got eighty something million followers on twitter some of my a lot of which are young. Blur, not, typically. You, know very politically engaged. So like I'm all for Taylor swift coming out with tweets like this Colin trump on his bullshit same people should care about the post office making them aware of it all that type of thing like fucking you swift the Mother Butterfly Effect for second of that moment ten years ago or whenever what Obama called Kanye Jackass but. Now. Republican and May? Get. get off the fence you say. Yeah man but. Now I'm all. You know I never went in for that and obviously I, guess you know. Of course, this makes sense for me but that whole like that saying. Shut up and keep to your songs. You know like shut up and dribble like that type of thing that people give to entertainers, Yom's I and I. Never understood that. Unfair. that. Accurate of left. Earth new. But the people saying that are talking about politics all the time all the fucking time it just seems their job like. The your par- you both longfellow pains understand what ski I it's. You know what it was like using. Be Don't want to hurt really for you on you that you're stupid east is. I. Think it. I think it just has to do with like. They want to just like. Watch Sports or whatever, and they get mad when a athlete has an opinion you know what? A main basically just like a conservative who's sports fan or is a music fan or whatever you know they would just prefer them shut up because it ruins their enjoyment of it. You know even though it doesn't make any sense logically like you if I ever everybody why do they have any less right to talk about politics than fucking you and your buddies? At Highway Department or whatever. And there's a huge asymmetries the thing is like A. It's young people resolve People will consume entertainment there a sixty watt college football. Play by eighteen to twenty, one year olds. late thirties, forties while listening to music summit teenagers. So you just listen to your opinions of people outside of your political demo, you need to consider us. Now. which the problem which? Is. George. Boundary said Hell even Riana made fun of trump this week on twitter and I'm not familiar with that one. But again, I'm all for any of it could go in on. The. Say. Here. Tyler's De. Dana Arielle Ahmed said Taylor Swift commands the Twain Army during this revolution. Julie, Rose Taylor swift is I good human regardless of what you think of her music? And Yeah I agree with all that Scott Right. Boxers and have dorito crumbs and my chest hair y'all can't see me right now but you do use got. You the mascot of all during this pandemic buddy. Yeah Corey probably waxes his chest idealising tanning bad. He's got to do all those shirtless buttocks videos. You know you gotTa keep. A say. I know the my ass so Lima Lame Oh Taco Polka. Are Y'all on twitch I hate facebook live and said, no DNC coverage. We talked about the DNC earlier in the show. STARTS TO TWITCH QUESTION I'M GONNA be honest about twitch specifically I don't know shit about it at all. Other than being sort of aware of what it is but I will say and I I you know I know we've been doing this show for few weeks. Now, I I've done it. I do intend to like broaden the platforms of it. Once I sort of get a better handle on that we don't have any producers or anything during this pandemic it's just me and mark and all the techs Shit I how small and string Ramal and everything's all the tax shit is on me and all that stuff. As I've told you four, I'm real computer Deng I am. I'm trying to get my arms around it and we WANNA find a way to do it on everything all at once. So if you come here and watch it which we appreciate, it won't affect you or anything but if you like like. Mr Mrs Polka Polka there don't don't like to fuck facebook live then you'd have other options like Youtube twitch and that type of thing. So you know it's coming hopefully I'm trying to figure out I'm just dumb but anyway. In an with that little PSA I guess Mark. Rate go it's seven o'clock. Yeah Buddy. Go. West. In Yellowstone. Are Is. That sounds good well. Thank you very much for joining us as always again. Sorry for last Thursday we will be here this Thursday. That's another reason need to figure out this other streaming thing, and so when Shit happens like having Thursday, it won't just shut us down. Because this won't be the only fucking platform of working with. so as a Yala Rats, good idea gonNA continue to look into it but either way thank you for being here today and we'll see the day after tomorrow rat hair sci-fi same time evening skews I'm trying that's Mark Levy by.

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Go after what you want before it's too late with Rich Cardona

"What is shaking fire nation jail D here with an audio Massa classes gonna make you sit up and say it is called up the hill f the hill in who's going to be dropping. These value bombs is a guy that's used to drop in value bombs. It is rich Cardona he is a retired Marine Corps aviators. I did there. He got his MBA and worked for Amazon, but abruptly quit at thirty seven years old without a plan. He now interviews C, suite executives entrepreneurs and veterans, and he feels alive. So what are we talking about? Today will the danger of settling why you need a Honda not a Benz in. How to collect the dots in connect the dots through networking fire nation, all this and so much more. When we get back from thinking our sponsor, visit capterra dot com slash fire for free today to find the tools to make an. Formed software decision for your business. Capterra dot com slash fire. Capterra that's T R A dot com slash fire. Capterra software selection, simplified, rich, say what's up to fire nation. And sure something interesting about yourself that most people don't know fire nation or what is going on? This is rich. I hope you guys are having a great day great month gray week all that good stuff. What lot of people don't know about me is I am like deathly afraid of raccoons like to the point where I don't take trash out at night because I'm scared. It's not a joke, man. Like, it's crazy. I'm like so scared is unbelievable. You need to read the book where the red fern grows. Have you ever heard of that? Yes. I read that book just because it'll help you overcome your fear of rational in very healthy way as long as it doesn't involve like end. Hope it doesn't involve me like petting on. And now I have a couple book ranch is in fire nation. You might be comforted to know that people like rich are those who help protect the lovely United States of America. Because as I mentioned the intro. He is a retired Marine Corps aviator, so rich. Thank you for your service brother and for today's value bombs. You'll be dropping up the hill f the hill. So let's start off man by talking about the danger of settling why should fire nation be as terrified about settling as you are about raccoons. It's it is that bad. So no joke, so settling I've really really believe fire nation, and everyone out there listening that we kind of meander through life thinking that there's a presupposed path that were supposed to go through whether it is school or working your way up the corporate ladder that you actually don't want to climb. There's just so many different ways that we approach things that are a lot of times wrong way. And everything I say in this class, by the way is gonna come from experience. I mean, I'm thirty eight years old, and I completely uprooted my life to do my own thing. And I am on fire because of it. But here's what I mean. So I had a sales job I had opperations job at a very very well known company. I'm sure there's things that your door right now waiting for you from that company. But here's a thing. I just did what I thought I had to do. I did what I thought I needed to do in order to derive a really amazing amount of income. So my. Family was taken care of. And I was just awesome, dad. Awesome. Father. I mean, husband all that stuff. And you know, I was just miserable. And I looked at all this time and rewound, you know, my entire life. And I'm like how many things have I done because I thought that's what I had to do. And look my character suffered tremendously at my core. More helpful guy, jovial guy hard-working and all that good stuff. But you just start becoming ambivalent, you know, just kind of indifferent upset and just not yourself and the longer you do keep doing things that you feel like you need to do not necessarily what you want to do. I think like pieces of you get chipped away. And now all of a sudden you're trying to glue it back together. And you feel like, wow, I'm fifty the helm I gonna do now. So so I wanted to avoid that. So that's why that's why I wanted to talk about it fire nation. This is such a real topic. I mean myself enrich or the same age right now. And you know, we both could have settled we both were officers in the military. We both got out. Good resumes. We could have gone forward, and Gus mid level management jobs and just gone for for the next thirty forty years of our life and died a slow death of our souls because we put this providing for your family above everything else. And the thing is fire nation, guess what you need to provide for your family. Absolutely. Because if you have kids they need to eat, they need basic shelter. But as all the other BS rich that we focus on the private schools and the kids having all these expensive toys, how many times have you seen kids playing cardboard boxes, and they were never ever happier in their life period. End of story kids don't need much to be happy. They don't know any better. I can go walking. Outside of my town here in Puerto Rico to one of the poorest parts Puerto Rico, and what do I hear kids laughing and playing and running in full of joy, and guess what? They're gonna go home tonight. And they're going to get some great food and they're going to sleep. They're gonna wake up and they're all again. So why are we putting this providing for our family at the highest pinnacle? When like you said rich, you're becoming a worse person. You are unhappy. You are not being a good father. I'm not gonna put words in your mouth. But I mean, you weren't as good of a father as you would have been if you're happy doing something that you did if you were full of joy like your kids are so talk more about that. Any why do you feel like we put the shackles on ourselves when we just don't need to or you don't know better. And we are used to having access to the things that we want when we want and the more dollar signs are in your paycheck or your Bank account more stupid stuff that we buy you hit the nail on the head, man. Like, I cannot tell you how. Many times we go food shopping. And of course, a hate going shopping inevitably there happens to be this random toil that my daughter thinks is super cool, and that toy seven ninety nine and we get home and things in the trash. Today's later. The best thing we do is go to the park, and we swing and we do all this other stuff and the same thing with the dolts man, like come on like how many how many cool gadgets, do I need being in video and videography and all this other stuff. Like, of course, there's some good stuff out there, and I'm gonna get into later, but bright shiny, objects, man. Like, the thing is we like to look a certain part, we like to play a certain part, and we feel that these things in a way define where we are, you know, in accordance with people like there's these categories of successful or non successful. And let me tell you man, I had an enormous house in Texas, and I moved in with my inlaws into their. Basement, and I never felt better. Because I realized I didn't need five bedrooms four bathrooms, and it was just ridiculous less is more men. Like, I'm never ever been more convinced that less is more than right now. Gary vanishing puts it he says, so many people are out there buying houses that have rooms in wings that they'll never use to impress people. They don't even like in that we're really comes down to like trying to impress. And there's actually something I was reading atomic habits the other day by James clear. It was talking about the the Diderot effect and the Darrow affect fire nation is actually a guy named Diderot believe it or not that was his last name. And he's a creator of the encyclopedia. But he was living a very middle class life back in the day. But then, but he was happy middle class life. Life was good whatever he had the encyclopedia. He was making his money living good community, blah, blah, blah. Then like the Queen of Hungary or something some somewhere. We're just like this guy. He deserves. More money. She literally gave him like a thousand pounds back in those days worth one hundred fifty thousand dollars now in he went and he just kept buying. He bought like, a jacket firm self, and then of course, jacket he needed boots. And then those boots he needed, you know, a better shirt and just went on. Well, now need a better health because and then it got to the point where that hundred thousand dollars was gone. And now he was in financial such a worse situation than he was in before all because he sort of going down the materialistic path which can be so unrewarding when you get to the end of it as sad thing. And there's so many people that are walking down the street right now in New York City rich, and they look at these homeless people sitting there who are begging for money in the saying to themselves that person's actually financially more stable than I am because I'm two thousand dollars in debt with college loans, and mortgages, and my kids school that person that person has seventy four cents in their pocket. They're in the plus there- aside litter. Never thought of it like that. That's crazy. It's probably true. Because I mean, they're trying to get their next meal, which they have a higher chance of doing the meal emanating that tonight, some believable, it's crazy to think about this stuff. But you're really testing my resolve rich with this next analogy that you have here because right now, I'm on a seventy five day challenge where I'm just eating healthy eating three meals a day. So plenty of food, but just healthy foods, and you like to say that there's lots of ice cream flavors. And that's actually, my weakness. I love Ben and Jerry Garcia, man. I'm half h kind of guy. I just love the half-baked. You say we need to be tasting. Lots of flavors to determine what we want break that down for us. Yeah, man. So I imagine you go into Baskin Robbins or wherever you are. And you see all these flavors, you know, chocolate tastes like, you know, of an tastes like, and you know, if you've got a combination of what those tastes getting samples of all of them, by the way. Exactly. So that's exactly the point. So you're interested in birthday cake. You're interested in that. Coffee, Espresso, whatever you're interested in mint chocolate chip. But a lot of times we stick to what we know. And the whole part of this -nology is I don't like playing it safe. I played it safe. Don't get me wrong. I played it safe. But now, I am literally like, I'm like, you know, someone snap their fingers I woke up, but here, here's here's what I mean by taste all the flavors. You live. Once you live once you need to make the most of it. And you know, like you mentioned, Gary, and it's so funny when I saw him and I met him. I told him I moved in with my grandpar- my in laws and he's like good. And like, I mean, it was so funny. But and, but you know, you have to there's an hourglass, and I hate talking about it, man. Like, I'm afraid I don't even say that D word. But like this thing comes to an end at some point. And you don't wanna be reflecting on thinking of these different flavors that you could have tasted all because you look left and right before you do in. Obviously what I'm talking about is what the hell you do for a living. All right. So let's really think about this. If I am in operations, and I'm good at it fine, and I can make money cool. You know, how many good things I could do fire nation. Like, how many things I could do that. I do that there's YouTube channels on my daughter watches that drive me absolutely insane with Plato. And I'm like I could do that tomorrow. Like, it's crazy. But what do you want to do? And what is stopping you from doing? And it's always after all the CEO's I interviewed which is what I do for a living. You know, everyone always comes back to fear. A specially successful entrepreneurs. What separates you fire nation from everyone else is going to be the ninety nine percent of the people aren't going to actually do, you know, they're not going to do it. They're not going to have the resolve. They're not gonna have the stamina. And most importantly, they are scared of what people are going to think. My father said to me when I started this. He goes rich, that's a hobby. What about your degree? What did you get your degree for you worked for Amazon like what's going on to show him? My Incan reports. Rich come on. So so taste the flavors. I mean, see what is out there. If you are literally interested in making dog Disneyland, then figure figured out. You know, if you are interested in being tattoo artist. Even though you are a finance guy three can do it. Because I really believe that what we do in life involves what we're gonna do on a day-to-day basis has to involve a level of play which is something that you would do anyway to just enjoy life. Now, there's a difference. Obviously, if I'm just gonna sit on my ass and play video games all day, and I have no intentions of being a professional gamer if I'm just killing time, that's one thing. But you won't know what you actually like until you decide to take action and tastes more flavors and rule things out and the narrow down the things that you like, and then be like, this is it, and that's how I got to where I am fire nation. I tasted a lot of. Flavors over the first three years of my life. I was an army officer for eight years. I went to law school dropped out and went to corporate finance. I quit was in real estate. I was tasting all of these flavors. In fact, giving the closing keynote this week in San Juan Puerto Rico here for the young entrepreneurs conference in my keynote talk because I'm not a young entrepreneur. Those are people that are under thirty. That's how they title and on me is five things. John Lee, Dumas wishy new at twenty five, and I'm going to tell you one of those things rich is patients patients, actually, try something experience it and say what not for me, try something else. Experience it. Nope. Not for me. So many people had that sunk cost Faouzi. Oh, I went to one semester law school. I know need to spend the next forty years of my life being a lawyer not true lucky for me. I made the decision that twenty thousand dollars was much better gone and dead to me that it was seeking a number one hundred thousand dollars over the next three years for a career. I knew wasn't gonna make me happy ever. And if you ever ever here. Fire nation. Read the book, the biggest regrets of the dying every single time across the borders. I wish I had the courage to live the life. I wanted to live not the life that others wanted me to live or influence me to live because man, I had this one trip in life. I had this one ride that's called life. And I screwed it up. Now, rich, you do not need a Mercedes Benz, brother. In fact, you need a Honda breakdown. Why being fancy can actually set fire nation back? Not propel you forward. It's simple right now. I have a Meson Moreno it's been paid off for a few years. And I'm thrilled about it. It's fast, and it's great. And you know, what like the seats are so comfortable. There's like a rich imprint in the seats, and it's great because I do a lot of driving. So here's a thing. You can go to a dealership, and you could find that Chang. That bans or whatever it is. And it's got all the bells and all the whistles, and and oh, wow. It's so safe. It's been crash tested and all like, okay. Great cool. Thank you so much. I'm getting the Ben's because it's kind of what we talked about. It's sort of like elevating my status, but the thing is when I get in my Marana or Honda, which was my first car like, I just feel something you know, like, I just felt comfortable I didn't look around and see their touchscreen. I didn't care that. It was stick shift. I didn't care about any of these things I felt something. Now when getting a Benz, of course, have nothing nothing against anyone who drives a Benz jagged BMW or anything like that. But if you fire nation are young entrepreneur. That to me is what I like to call over celebrating. And this this is if you watch football, this is the one thing that annoys me to death. If you're watching a football game. And let's say it's twenty one to three and you're on the team with three points. No, let's make way back twenty eight to three and brings it back to the patriots falcons game. So there's still a chance there's still there's definitely still a chance. But let's say damn you. Just crushed me. Anyway. No, no. Let's say there you are. And that team that's losing. There's inevitably a guy who makes a really good tackle. And then he celebrates. And I'm like, dude, just stop do ten just do a ten more times. And make sure everyone else around us putting that amount of effort forward as well. Because when you over celebrate you go internal, right? So like your mind shuts. Your mindset starts to shift you start to get a couple more. Nice things you start to just feel like the surge in success and status, and whatever it is. When in reality, you don't need to celebrate like entrepreneurship, dude and eight months into this thing. But I feel like I'm light years ahead. And it's a fifty year plan like you need to be ready to fell a million times. And just get back up every single time. You need to understand that your venture no matter how great of an idea, you think it is might not work out. Which is why I'm still driving a ten year old or eleven year old Nissan Moreno, I'm completely happy with it. So. Don't over celebrate play the long game and don't get fancy too quick. Because we've seen plenty plenty of people overestimate their status or success, and it fizzled out and the people that's why they say the slow and steady wins the race turnover Suhair show, I'm in. No rush. Kind of like what you talked about John about patients like just just be patient. You don't need to get fancy quick. It could your stuff up your twenty eight to three analogy at still completely works. I can promise you this. When the pages are down twenty eight to three and they sat the quarterback, nobody on that team celebrated. They went back to work focus to do it again. And again, and again, and that's the only reason they created the biggest ever comeback that will literally never be matched in the future for Super Bowl games ever ever ever in. That's why because they didn't celebrate that meaningless tiny tiny little part of was a huge compilation of what they're. Life was and that's why I loved recommend the books the slight edge by Jeff Olson and the compound effect by Darren hardy reading those back to back in that order. I just shared because they show you the power of just doing the small things, right? Every single day not getting too high or too low with anything and putting in the work ends going to your car analogy. I mean fire nation, I have an eight figure net worth I don't even have a car. I'm not a car guy. That's one thing. So cars don't make me happy. But I don't even have a car. I mean, Kate has a Honda Santa Fe. And that's what she uses when she drives to the grocery martyr wherever she goes back. I literally park next that I have a twenty seven hundred dollar us golf card that I just use the tool our neighbor. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not like stupid frugal on everything. I mean, I have this beautiful two million dollar dream house on the Caribbean here in Puerto Rico, but I'm not just going to go and just like have the Douro like okay now, I had this home. I need to have five Mercedes Benzes in three lamborghini's and a helicopter. Pat, and then a boat down the marina, and this and that no you don't do that fire nation because that's not added your happiness, just adding to your mental bandwith period end of story. So rich, let's not waste any time. Let's put some cheese on this crap sandwich, man because life it's full of unpleasant outcomes. How do we flipped that script? Yo our ISO. I once had an executive officer who told me. I forget what was going on. But he was just so, blah, any goes rich. He does you know life is a crap sandwich. You know, like, you just gotta take some more bites out of that thing and put some cheese on it. I'm like Elliot's put them chains on it. I'm like perfect. So I'm going to give you an example fire nation. I interview entrepreneurs I interview C suite executives, and I don't talk to them about their business or anything like that. I talked to them about them. And I think it's fascinating to learn from other people, etc. Etc. So. November. I think I had completed something like twenty interviews, and as I was downloading something I don't know what I came back. The next day. I was putting all this stuff on dropbox and my hard drive. My external crashed the thing with this is I lost all those interviews. So so that stung, but more importantly, I lost my trip to Costa Rica, all the video footage and photos from that. I lost the birth of my daughter. I lost all the baby pictures. I lost family photos. I lost military pictures from combat. I lost everything. And I said F it put some cheese on this crap sandwich. And I'm gonna flip the script, and I got on a train, and I went to New York, and I interviewed eight people in forty eight hours. I'm like the only way that this is salvageable is if I continue to create more content period, then you know, what years ago that would have made me quit. And it's just different now like life is just a crap sandwich period. There's highs and lows, but for the most part a lot of us complain about what's not working, or how unfortunate we are that were victim of the circumstance and Mark Manson is like my favorite author. And he kinda just talks about having massive accountability for everything that happens like everything that happens is your fault. If you look at it like that, then you're probably set up for success like the aspiration for positive outcomes. Can you can lead to a negative experience and accepting negative experiences can lead to a positive outcome. So that's something that I look at and I apply to everything I cannot tell you how many high profile interviews. I've had that have canceled. And I'm like, okay. Like, I don't let it bother me. I'm just like it's just I'm just going to reschedule it, and if they're not interested anymore or they can't and it's going to be a few months than so like what does that mean? I need to stop. And you know, just. Just stop right there in my tracks. Like absolutely not put cheese on every crab sandwich. I e and it's very tasty. John Mitch why you doing this to me, man? I can't eat ice cream for the next seventy four days. I can't eat cheese for the next these analogies that you're giving me right cheese ice cream, dare this whole thing. But anyways, fire nation, I hope huge he understand the value in what he saying because we're all going to get served a crap sandwich at some point during every single week that weren't entrepreneur puts a metaphorical cheese on that yo-. And if you think riches done dropping his value bombs, we get back from thanking our sponsor it's common to use online reviews to help us make choices in our everyday lives. Whether it's looking for the best brunch. 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Capterra that's CA P T E R A dot com slash fire. Capterra software selection simplified, so rich were back, and I want to collect the dots. I wanna connect the dots. I want you to break. Down a fire nation. Why is networking the most talked about strategy that nobody actually wants to do. All right. So working like it is absolutely by far the most important thing that I do on a day-to-day basis, and I don't like to network. I hate networking as a matter of fact, but through a couple of my interviews one of them's Dory. Clark. She's like look at you know, we need to look at a networking as relationship building. Beth Comstock is like we need to look at networking like just learning about other people. There's this like weird dynamic when it comes to networking, especially networking events. Which are just absolute torture for me. I need to go talk to someone and ask for something. Or hey, you know, the military and I'm getting out. I cannot tell you how many resumes. I like, hey, rich. Can you look at my resume. Can you send this someone like, no, no, no? Like, this is not how it works. How it works is collecting dots. And connecting the dots. Meaning meet people. Meet people find out what makes them tick talk to them a little bit about yourself have no expectations and move on. And then just keep in touch with them. Prime example. I have a there's a entrepreneur army guy. A he has a live streaming platform and he's dominating the wedding industry. But we had a good conversation. He told me he's been following some of my stuff, and we talked next thing. I know I'm talking to of West Point guy at a very prominent company who's in a position to make some big changes anyone at my help. So they're having a few of ants coming up, and I and you know, he wanted to enlist my help the first thing I thought was that was probably a really of this event is probably something very good to livestream. So there I go thinking about my buddy who I just met and hit it off with who's in weddings wants to move over to corporate a little bit. And nonprofits and everything else expand the pie for him and his company. I did it. And now, they're working together. Then the reason is I didn't give a about what I needed to do for me. I cared about collecting dots and connecting dots. And you know, what there's really really true and realistic karmic circle that I believe in and I don't do this. It's really weird when you do this with the intent to help other people you kind of hope it comes back to you. But you can't rely on to come back to you. So you have to even that is an expectation if you're like, well, so and so I hooked him up with this. So they should hook me up with this. No, no, no, no, no. You can't even do that. So collect the dots. Connect the dots. And I think people will understand that you are a truly altruistic helpful human being an entrepreneur race. We are all just trying to help each other. Our all just trying to make it people. Helping people is the only way to go. So when you think about networking don't think about who can get me this job who can get me this money think of who you can help. And I pray. Promise, you, I promise you things are going to start happening, and it's going to blow your mind below yoyo mind, fire nation and niche rich you just admitted that you don't love networking events. So I wanna give you a little live coaching. Now, you ready for it? Ten we're at a networking event right now. Okay. You in his own zone. Hey, rich. I'm john. What do you do? I'm going to blow my brains out. Thanks, john. Like god. I can't take that. I can't. I can't say that. And I don't like it. I I always say this. Sorry. Go ahead and coach me. Sorry. John nice to meet you. I do I interview C suite executives, and I try to humanize them and share their knowledge across the masses. Okay. That's not the best is not the worst. Now. Ask me what I do John. What do you do for a living? I help successful entrepreneurs share their genius with the world's the key thing to your first response. If he will ask you what what you do which is always going to happen. Is you have to always have them wanting more and being curious like I didn't tell him anything about interviewing or podcasting or what I didn't give any of that away. I I help success preneurs share their genius with the world. It could be a million different things. I have opened up this. Absolutes Lee massive loop that every human being going to want to close by saying oh my goodness. What are you talking about tell me more, and that the phrase that you need, and I'm gonna tell you using the word C suites is not part of that phrase. So just something to think about and networking event. Have a phrase leg that you can by the way use that exact long as true for you as well. And just see the difference in the conversations that you have and fire nation, I want you to be thinking about what your responses as well. Because that is key. It has to be very short, very concise. And it cannot open and close the loop at just opens a loop of curiosity. So let's move on rich authenticity. End consistency is not one or the other. It is both expound upon that. It is both. If I said, John I live in bridgier fire nation, if I said, hey, I live in just outside of DC. And I'm going to York you'd look at me. Like, what the hell are you talking about? If I said. I'm going to new you'd say what are you talking about? If I say, I'm going to New York to talk to some people that makes complete sense authenticity, and consistency are not mutually exclusive, so consistency. Everyone knows like I'll hit on this first 'cause it's gonna take two seconds. If you want to win you have to be consistent. Okay. Like this guy with this podcast went beserk, and he was insanely consistent. And now like he said he's in the Caribbean living in a dream house. And he has a golf car would spinners on it and dinners wheels that are about to fall off. All right. I was just imagining for my own pleasure. So so yeah. So consistencies key. I mean, come on like, you know, there's no silver bullet. You can't just say I'm going to start doing social media promote my brand and have one post that week. And just be like that's enough. Like if you really wanna win, it's consistency. And just doing, you know, massive amounts of the same things and understanding that in the long game you will win and you'll gain attention, but authenticity is the bigger piece of that puzzle. Authenticity is really this. Like, there are certain tips tricks and techniques. Okay. Like, I just got some coaching very valuable coaching, and you are right on the money. Okay. But if I frame it. In a way, that's not consistent with who. I am. I still obviously say it. But if I frame it in a way that's inconsistent. With who I am. Then leaves people kind of wondering, right. So now instead of leaving them the breadcrumbs the so funny with all these food analogies. I'm real never gonna forget this. But anyway, so I'm leaving them bread crumbs and wanting more like once I kinda switched my game up a little bit, and maybe like super sales motor not authentic, or my interviews are inconsistent the way, I interview some of these high level leaders, whatever it is, you know, it kind of leaves people wondering, and you don't want people to be take a guess as to which person slash entrepreneur. You are. So my approach to this entire thing is just being exactly like this. I went to an. Vent that I knew it'd be better to where a suit app, but I didn't care. I'm like, well, I remember when I did my crappy sales job, and I hated wearing dress socks. I sweat it through my shirts faster than I could imagine. And I didn't look as cool as I thought, and it was ridiculous. So I'm just going to go, and I'm gonna wear sweater, some jeans and sneakers, you know, and part of that is just authentic means being true to yourself. Obviously do what you want. How you want it obviously in a professional manner, depending on the environment, but consistency and you're often tizzy, which is really you cannot switch up what your messages about. Or what you're passionate about? I like to talk to leaders to kind of siphon their knowledge how they solve problems in their life, not the business necessarily, and I think those are very valuable lessons for people out there. Now if. My next interview, I go, and I talked to you about your balance sheet and all this other stuff. You know, I think that's less interesting. So I'm not going to switch it up. I'm going to be authentic. I'm gonna ask him real questions. I may swear and have it bleeped out like on a podcast like this. And that's fine. But I have to stay authentic, man. Like, you cannot give people the notion that there are multiple versions of you. Chris rock says at the best he goes, why is it that when you meet women were always meeting their Representative? You know, she's done up perfumes on point this and that, blah, blah, blah. She's not eating much dinner. And the next thing, you know, it's year later, and you're like what the hell does happen. That's your. That's your Representative just be you BU you. That's it love that rich. And we talked briefly about the slate edge in the compound effect on how really small wins every single day. How small victories can literally overtime late you on fire? So talk to us about your thoughts on this. So I'm not a eighth place trophy guy. I don't believe in that kind of stuff. And you know, I sometimes sometimes. My wife thinks my daughter did something really cool like. You know, a lot of kids get kind of the military thing in a way because like if you get eight th place in a war. Yep. Less are talking about your gravestone right now. Totally. So so here's a thing. Primates have a perfect example IRO Rachel Brosnahan from fabulous Mrs Maes Lago her creative agency. And I wrote them Email about five ws, you know, about me and what I like to do. And we'll how I would like to involve her in the process, and they were like, this is great. Thank you so much, and they're like, let me put you in touch with her publicist. I'm like, boom, I'm like doing cartwheels non-real life by in my head and I'm doing car wheels. And then I get in touch with their publicist, and she's like, unfortunately, we just started filming for season three, and I'm like cool a mytalk tune a few months that's victory man like period. Like nothing happened. Nothing may. Happen. But I got a response, which means that my proof of concept of reaching out to people and not giving an F it. It makes me happy. It makes me happy because I'm not scared. It makes me happy because I gave it a shot, and it makes me happy because there's the potential possibility. And I know, you know, this I know, you know, this specifically the small victories, you don't need to over exaggerate them. But you need to realize that it's always practice. Everything is always practice and everything that we do. And eventually there might be this big moment, and because you practice so much you're going to be so ready about investing in yourself. He sometimes you need to pay for help when it's needed. I mean, I look back to twenty twelve. There was nothing about podcasting to pay heavily in a podcast mentor to walk me. Step by step through the podcast. I couldn't follow the one crappy blog post that was out there back in twenty twelve. I had to invest in myself that allowed me to not fall. Down rabbit holes or get burned out or just quit before I even got going because I invested in myself, so talk about investing yourself and all of that jazz. Well, let me ask you real quick. So bad to ask a question a follow up question with a question. But do you really think you would be at a million listeners per month? If you didn't get your head out of your you know, what in the beginning and hired that person. No chance no way. So like, here's the thing YouTube content, all these things all the free content. There is out. There is is great. It's fine. But it's also not tailored to you. Like, I could watch Peter MacKinnon video right now. And learn some things, but there's also some things that he probably expects me to know. So is really really difficult, especially if you're taking a leap of faith, and your entrepeneurship, you tasted the ice cream that John can't have. And now, you're like, okay, cool. I'm going after this. You are going to everyone's always been in the job where it's like, it's a Firoz. I haven't learned anything while entrepreneurship. The same way, especially if you're choosing something that's not in your lane. It's a fire hose because you have so many different things to consider. Because now it's not only about having fun. It's about actually developing business a unique value proposition. Ana ties ING doing it. Well, getting the word out there and all these different things. Now. Shortcuts can kill you. So there's so many bright, shiny objects. Like, what you mentioned in two thousand twelve or whatever it was, you know, there wasn't anything per se. But now there's tons of it because sucking is good for business people. You know, like, oh Rhys has no idea what he's doing. This is good for business. I can get him to do this. And let me tell you some of the short Casado paid for actually increased my debt when I was living with my inlaws where I was like I'm gonna crush debt because I went out I got this. I got this camera thinking it would be better to just have the top of the line camera instead of using a little point and shoot starve logging. I got all these crazy audio devices that I could probably just use my iphone, and then I ended up selling a ton of that stuff back on EBay EBay gets chunk. And then I'm just like damn what the hell just happened. So here's the thing. There's a lot out. There, but you really have to go for someone reputable alike fire nation like talking to him right now. Like, of course, like I look at this. And I look at any of the services or the coaching, and the many many things that you offer. And I'm like, okay. This is valid I've interviewed Pat Flynn before like that guys ridiculous. I would absolutely invest, and it's not just because I know him it's not just because I've heard of him is because I've actually had an interaction with him. Now, there's a lot of other people who make promises to you. And make you feel slightly good. I'll John you're gonna hate this. It's the Snickers bar when you're in line food shopping. It is it is when you're right there. And you're like I'm hungry now. I'm going to get the Snickers bar, which doesn't really satiate you. Although they think it does. I'm like, I don't wanna be hanged -gree come on. Yeah. Exactly. So so you get that. But that really doesn't solve the problem. What you actually need is a good fully loaded meal. What your veggies and your protein in your arms or whatever? So. Yes, I'm so sorry. And I'm not at the same time because you know, your military, dude, man. This is what we do. But like the bottom line fire nation is that there's so many options out there. You have to be very very careful not of people who are disingenuous, but you have to be very careful to make smart investments that Taylor to exactly what you need to do. Now. Are you going to be able to find someone who handles all these things for you? Maybe knob, but you should make value stream map or priority list. And be like, okay. My marketing is absolute trash, I'm. Going to pay for marketing for the next however, many months with this consultant and go from there, and then maybe I'll invest in a quick -ment. 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John Mackey | The Art of Conscious Leadership

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John Mackey | The Art of Conscious Leadership

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Head over to the CHARM DOT com slash accelerate to learn more the charm dot com slash excel Thank you for tuning. Let's kick off today's show today we have John mackey with us. He's the CEO. and Co founder of whole foods a grocery store. We hope many of you have heard of his book conscious leadership elevated humanity through business just came out and it's such a great primer for being a top leader on a personal level for your team and for your business we loved it and we're excited to speak with John's Day. Well, welcome to the show John were so excited to chat about your book conscious leadership Johnny, I enjoyed it, and we'd love to just hear the back story of how this book came to be. The backstory's no big deal because we wrote conscious capitalism back in two, thousand, thirteen and. we had two chapters unconscious leadership in that book and account a lot of questions people a lot of leaders really WANNA. Be. Conscious leaders and they want to be conscious capitalist and he just they just wanted more. How do I do this stuff and so a lot of ways this book was an answer to those requests. That's Kinda, the back story, and what do you think is the difference between what we typically think of leadership and what you call conscious leadership. Conscious leadership is a lot more internal. It's about the last chapters called contingency learning grow and a lot of ways. The whole book is about that and most leaders there doers there are action people there they they have checklist and. They have self confidence and they move forward and their bold and we have sort of this idea of a leader in our minds, and certainly that is a leader but a conscious leader can still have that it's doing the inner work to develop their emotional intelligence, their sense of purpose, their integrity love. These are all skills that people have to work on to develop them. They don't happen automatically you're born with integrity you have to develop it 'cause all little children are are like pathological liars and from the moment a child learns to talk they learnt how to lie. And deceive. and to see exactly what are the leadership books I have read a lot of them begin with doing a lot of myth busting because there's these ideas of what conscious capitalism is or were conscious leaders or just leaders in general who they are and how they operate and you had just mentioned about leaders always moving forward stepping forward and a Lotta Times boldly with no idea how things are going to go down but they understand it If they're going to grow, they have to step into these positions Aj and I certainly have to deal with it in our own company of constantly stepping into uncertainty. How in the book did you want to approach busting some of these myths what we do bus some of this I mean particularly when we start talking about leading with love because I can already tell you on this tore whenever I start talking with sort of conventional media. The whole idea of leading with love is like come on everybody knows businesses just cut throat. It's this cutthroat thanks I can even be leading with love it, and that's one of the missing you have to bus that that it's this kind of metaphors that we use to think about business or war Darwinian sports games all hyper competitive and competition is part of business, but it's not the essence of business and so to bring love is. Hiding out in the corporate closet until we bust the myths and create space for people to feel like love actually is a good strategy in business and life it's not something we have to check the door because do that at home because we're going to war today, you have to bust the miss on the win win win because we are so locked into sort win lose binary thinking if people somebody's getting rich somebody else's getting poor. People, are either good or evil. They're light darkness and we those those kind of binary dichotomies really are myths that it's always on a continuum it's always more complex. You can have win win win scenarios doesn't have to be one person winning and everybody else losing. These are miss. This is the way and we construct the way we experience the world by the narratives that we tell ourselves that this is the way the world is, and so we act and react based on what our hypothesis or theory of how the world is. And if you have crummy story than if your narrative is not a very functional narrative than you're going to sub optimize so conscious leader has to do some mythbusters absolutely right now many in our audience have heard of win win scenarios but win win win scenarios is a little odd too many us who've never heard it. How do you break down a win win win situation or scenario while a win win is good for you and it's good for me we both win you can imagine situations that might be harmful for society. We have a win win somebody pays somebody to go drop toxic waste in the river they get rid of the waste that's a win for them. They get paid money for it's a win for the person doing it, but definitely a loss for the environment and society. So the win win win is good for me good for you and good for the larger community. However. We might define that larger community and when we think about most scenarios and business as you're saying earlier, competition jumps to mind, and of course, shareholder value profitability. How do you square those two where business is a very competitive space and of course, there's going to be losers along the way. There's another way to reframe competition upsides war or survival of the fittest and. To think of our competitors as helping whole foods market to innovate and help us get better because that's one of the secrets to y business create so much progress in the world and so much innovation. It's because of competition if you're not getting pushed, then there's a tendency in human nature to sort of. Get Lazy rest on your laurels. That's why when something has a when you have something that monopoly like the post office you may not get good service but when you've got choices and you can go down the street wholefood tested. We know our customers we don't own them they come in because. Our particular mixture of products and service and price and quality for some people is what they're looking for and other than like us. But we know that we have to keep getting better and serve our customers better because they can just walk out the door and go really just down the street to competitor. So we have to continue to earn their loyalty and competitors. Keep us. It's like I prefer to think of them as helping us. To get better helping US become more excellent. I think that's a more better way to think about competition rather than we're GONNA kill him or they're gonNA kill us the innovations at whole foods did that were pretty radical in the early days we were one of the very first natural food supermarkets. It was a completely new idea. The can open up a whole supermarket that was basically just trying to sell whole foods primarily produce and natural. Foods that that was a revolutionary idea in it's time nobody done it before. So it was a huge innovation and then making your stores beautiful kind of innovation because most of the time people wanted their stores to look like warehouses, they didn't want people thinking was expensive. I remember when Walmart was really getting going actually always say Walmart really did whole foods a big favor because they were the nine hundred pound gorilla that all the markets for scared of what Walmart got into food. So they just tried to figure out how to cut their expenses back and to make their prices lower to compete with Walmart, and they made their one of the ways they spent less money on their stores. They made their stores less attractive. We had a lot puppies initially, we were just mostly early early days we're selling to. Hippie. counterculture. That were young baby boomers who were cut out of the mainstream. and. Then the big breakthrough occurred when we started appealing to more middle class people who never would have gone into an upper middle class people never who are older these women were started showing up in there they weren't in. All our customers were coming in on bicycles and VW Beatles and Datsuns the. Precursor to Nissans and and then all of a sudden these people start showing up and CADILLACS and Mercedes benzes and like who are they, and they were these basically sort of upper middle class women primarily, that Colt, they like coming into whole fish because the stores were pretty. And and people were real nice to them even though they had long hair and maybe they eventually tattoos and piercings but they were so nice. And they just didn't experience that conventional supermarkets for a long time I think primarily because Walmart and that really helped foods start to penetrate into the mainstream and we were surprised that these people were shopping with us because when we talk to them, I said, why are you here and they said, well, you just have the best produce and your people are so nice. And gusher meat tastes better. So they were just there because they liked being there and that really helps his breakthrough kind of into the mainstream. Growing up, I'm forty six years old and I certainly remember the foods that we to get when I was a young person a young child. Hey, you're still young. I appreciate that but I can certainly remember the shopping experience in the Midwest in the eighties and certainly what whole foods had offered and how not only the foods that had come out with that. But that experience went along with it. I can also point to the employees of whole foods and you've also mentioned it in your answer there but the employees really regarded their jobs there and loved working there because of the experience that they were creating for the community and for how well they were taking care of. So if you're speaking about a win win win, you basically put it together and that answer. Johnny very a very astute observation, I think you're exactly right. We didn't have the language for that back then but we just sort of intuitively or instinctively did it and I always say in some ways, the retail businesses Kinda, simple retail food businesses simple is hire the best people you can find. Make sure they're well trained get some high quality food in the store. And the team members make the team members happy because they're happy. They're gonNA make the customers happy and the customers are happy they're gonNA keep shopping with you and your business is going to flourish because so many times customers don't like shopping and food because they don't feel like you're treated very well and they're not treated well because the employees don't feel like they're treated very well, and one of the big points in the book about being conscious leader is developing that vision. and. If you can think back to win you, I co-founded whole foods. You have this vision of a multinational multibillion dollar grocery store in your head or is that something that evolved over time with your leadership now was just a kid I mean I mean the origin story is I was twenty three years old. I moved into a Vegetarian Cooperative in Austin because. I just really was interested in counterculture stuff I thought I'd meet interesting people. There were about eighteen people in this communal living situation moved and started became a vegetarian started learn how to cook got super interested in all things natural and organic became the food for the CO OP. Fell in love and then one day I talked to my girlfriend and said, let's start our own store and she thought that was a super cool idea. She was twenty at that time twenty or nineteen or twenty, and so we did it was fun and I didn't know it but I'd kind of launch myself on my major path in life. No, I had no. Master Plan. I had no big vision in fact, the only reason after we opened a small store, we were too small. The store was too small and we relocated it merged with another small store and changed the name to whole foods. Market goes back in nineteen eighty that store was hugely successful and the only reason we ever got to a second store that store. was built in the hundred year flood zone in Austin. In the first year, it was all we had one hundred year flood and the store was eight feet underwater. There's so we opened a second store. We wouldn't have all of our eggs in a basket that could float down the river in another flood and that second store was successful in that. Led to third and I suppose, we began to think about growth when we took in venture capital money back in about ten years after we opened up the first store, one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, we took in venture capital money. That's when we thought we're going to grow this puppy we went to California we opened a store in Palo Alto California. Went to New Orleans and in Dallas and we started to start rolling. There's a lot more to it but those are the highlights for the early days and along with that journey, you've had to strengthen strengthening, grow your leadership skills to execute on that visit. The only reason I been semi successful leader is because I've made a lot of mistakes, but I've been smart enough to learn from him. And had a good mentor. My Dad was a I. Don't have any business background I studied philosophy literature, the humanities when I was in college and just took electives really and But I learned quickly I'm a really dedicated reader. So I just read hundreds of business books laptop information from my father. Made a lot of mistakes but then learned from him didn't repeat them at least not more than twice. And whole foods managed to survive my idiocy and We got the big decisions right locations were good locations and we built a good team of talented people, and then once you get a good team around you, they started compensating for my mistakes and my foolishness, and then together, we were able to build a I think a great company. It's that. Of allowing yourself to make mistakes and to learn from them I knew even for myself. A lot of people tend to think of a leadership role as a role that I can get into our. No one's GonNa tell me what to do because now on the leader and and. Everything will be good. But if you're an effective leader, you're throwing yourself into uncertainty you're looking at things bully knowing that you're gonNA be making mistakes and even know for myself. There has been times where I feel bad. Maybe we have letdown AJ, maybe I've made a mistake publicly and I get mad at myself but it's also in that moment that it's like if I'm having these moments, I'm not gaining anything out of this. And to try to reorient myself, look you know lifestyle going to be perfect and you're never going to be in a position where it's going to be easy breezing if you WANNA create. If you want to build things if you want to lead people and fag, the more you're getting knocked around the more you're you're getting out of this experience which you're going to be able to put in a book to help other people. To be a mentor. What is it in your leadership style that that you may be look towards? That allows you to be able to continue making those mistakes and it's funny. You even mentioned the role where you are. Now you guys are still working on getting the best stuff to your customers. That's an ongoing process. So I would say, maybe there's a bunch of things but three just popped in my brain. So I think the first one is I got my face slammed in the ground. So many times I I stopped having any thoughts that I was any kind of big deal. And I felt very just. You know I'm just a guy and maybe maybe a little smarter than average but. I was just a guy. If I wanted to be successful, I needed to learn a needed to get better. So I never fought that I was better or smarter and more able than other people that annoys enabled me to learn from other people and I was assumed that people on my team all smart capable people that oftentimes see things that I don't see. So I've often the second thing is I learned that if you have a really good team. They'll make you look good. And if you have a bad team I, don't care how smart you are the teams. You're only as good as your team, and that's why we have a chapter in this book called constantly evolve the team because if you can get the team evolving and getting better than the, you're gonNA flourish in the organization's going to flourish. So I've been always very dependent I've been successful because I've always had a great team around me and they've compensated for my weaknesses. And I think the third thing is, is that I've always deeply cared about the people I work with. I mean, these are people I love their my friends. They're on the journey with me and we're doing this together and I think they feel my love they think they know that I care about them. I want them to flourish I wanted to be happy and I do everything I can to help them be successful that creates loyalty and commitment, and so we're all we're all learning together. It's been whole foods what I will say it's not been a lonely journey. It has been a journey I've done with a lot of people that I love and love me and that I made it such a deeply rewarding and satisfying. Thanks for I've been doing it for. Forty two years honestly, and in the book, one of the things that really struck us was as a conscious leader, you are developing your own emotional intelligence but also looking for high emotional intelligence in your team members. Can you talk a little bit about your own personal development of emotional intelligence and then what are the signals that you look for the markers that you look for in team members who possess that high Q. I would say that if you'd known me. Thirty five years ago you'd have thought had almost no emotional intelligence whatsoever because I don't and I don't think I have very much the honest way that I've gotten more emotional intelligence is. A married I don't know how this woman ever married me but she did and she's extraordinary. And She took me on as a project that needed a lot of attention in terms of helping me to be a little bit. More, awake emotionally, my wife has been my greatest teacher. I've ever had in my life. And but I think in general relationships are the way we learn and our friends and the people that we love and care about us the people that really care about you will be the ones tell you when you're out of line. and. Those are friends will say, Hey, John you should never said that you really hurt her feelings you need to go apologize to earn their first reaction is hey, listen I didn't mean anything she should you know toughen up I didn't mean to hurt her feelings you know stop being so sensitive but if there's somebody that's caring about you telling you that it's like Jeez? Yeah, you're probably right. And Okay I'm going to go apologize and. So, our friends help us to learn and grow and they and I think a lot of my development emotional intelligence come from a of people helping me the other part of emotions into self awareness. And I've always been interested in trying to understand myself better. So I've been willing to do spiritual work I've been willing to do the meditation I've been willing to do the journaling. I've been willing to take workshops. I've been willing to read books about my wife teases me says, you know what? John is so much. More diplomatic than it used to be. He read a bunch of books about communications and saw what he was doing wrong and he stopped doing it. He got it from a book and she's partly right 'cause. I. Read a book and I'd say Gosh that's kind of thing I would say and what a jerk I'm still make mistakes by just a lot fewer than I used to. So that's my journey of emotional intelligence has been people helping me and me really wanting to. Learn if you WANNA learn how to play guitar you practice and if you WANNA get emotional intelligence and you don't have much you to practice it too because it's a skill and that leading with love is a then in fact, our whole book is about developing skills to be a more conscious leader and it involves practiced. It's Malcolm Gladwin I think is the one that said you gotTa Work Ten, thousand hours to be to master anything. Why should we think we're going to master? Conscious leadership and just to reading a book or or doing something for a few hours. Now, it's a journey to work at it. It's going to take you a long time to get really good at it. So I'm older than most people so I can just working at it longer. The last chapter is about contingency and learning grow and I've been trying to continuously learning grow since since I can remember and I'm going to continue to do that until I'm dead 'cause life's. A lot more fun if you're learning and growing absolutely and being open to feedback in an open to that growth, I think many people when they think of taking on that leadership role, they may enjoy bossing others around or being in control or power, and it's hard to receive critical feedback especially of your leadership and the way that people are perceiving you and it sounds like your journeys been no different. You've certainly made some mistakes, guns and feedback along the way that's been difficult. I don't like Boston people around to be honest. Power has not been something that's driven. May I actually like empowering people? I like the team that I don't have to. Boston I like a team that self directed and we share similar purpose they're adults they're smart. They're talented. We have discussions and they just do their job and I don't have to tell them what to do I don't get a big kick out of I mean I I still have to fire people but I don't. Enjoy it I find it quite unpleasant do that but it's just necessary sometimes. So there are people that are attracted to power over others. I have different challenges. That's not one of the challenges that I have. Personally I've had other challenges plenty of them but that's not one of them. I tend to think you can see those people rather quickly because if you're not one of those folks, they'll the way you choose your path is so incredibly different than the way the past that date shows. In order to operate and and the the gains that they wanna get in for life. Are you able to recognize that and when you're in the hiring process? Yeah. Let's talk about that. A little bit because hiring is is so critical if you're going to develop a great team than hiring really makes a big difference you know one of the things that I got self aware enough about myself is I'm actually. Personally not that good at hiring people and the reason why I'm not I'm actually good at leading people but I'm not so good at hiring them and the reason why am I gonNA hiring them? Is because I see the beauty and people I see their potential I see somebody and I see what they could do and That's actually makes a good leadership skill because I people want they don't WanNa. Let me down. John Really believes in me. So I'M GONNA. Make sure I deliver so that leadership skill but it's not a good hiring skill and so I surrounded myself with other people who I thought were good judge of character quickly I wasn't and I have had people in whole foods developed a group hiring process. We always have the larger team interview people I always say you can fool one person, but it's very difficult to fool the whole team. Because people can somebody can be charming and charismatic but other people have good bullshit detectors and they can pick it up right away and that guy's a phoney I can't believe he said that bullshit I never. Thought he was good. I'd never vote for that guy so I think a wisdom in that collective mind. Think that's one secret to hiring. Well, listen to not do it by yourself, and in fact, it whole foods whoever's going to be responsible will make the final decision on who to hire. We always want to glacier group to do what? We call a straw poll, secret Straw poll rate these candidates because say there's three candidates and we'll do a straw poll and we'll get a ranking for those and then the person will announce the Straw poll and then we'll talk about the candidates and then we'll do another kind of secret poll to see if anybody's persuaded or change their mind. Now the leader can override that group. They can still make the call they're responsible occasionally really they'll go against larger group I'll tell you something whenever I've gone against large group DOT exception. It was a mistake for the group saw something I didn't see and I was foolish probably my ego just said. In response able but I've learned over the years to really trust the wisdom of the larger group and I think that's helped wholefoods higher better. I have to say I think that process is why your employees take so much pride and honor of working at whole foods. It is one of the only grocery stores where I see people posting about going to work and posting about going to work at whole foods and showing that that pride in serving their community I always say people because because I'm on this book tour and I give them getting ask a lot of questions about this I I realized I started thinking about it I think there's two main reasons why? Our team members worked for so long and they're so loyal. The first one is purpose not as the first chapter in a book has put purpose i. And a good leader is able to communicate purpose to people because one of the things we know people want to feel like they're making a difference in nobody watches make widgets. and. You can earn a living, but people would prefer to earn a living and also feel like this is actually helping people I see one of my work is making a difference and people like helping people. It's a high to make people. Happy. So. We spend a lot of time making sure people understand how their work is actually contributing to people's well-being and their life satisfaction and the second thing is. People, want to be cared about. Nobody wants to go to work at a place and nobody nobody cares about them. So that is kind of an alienating process where you're there and you feel like. Not. Only don't people care about you. That most people don't like you even and so it whole foods. We create kind of warm and fuzzy place where the team member we care about our team members and they care about each other and if people feel loved and they have a sense of purpose, they're going to be pretty fulfilled at work even working in a grocery store, and so we have so many people that were one of the questions I asked when I tour stores when you know people are always nervous when they're meeting me as I always ask him and get a little bit of their story tell me your story and How long have you worked for the company and it's so often it's ten, twelve, fifteen years, twenty years, twenty, five years I met you I haven't seen you in ten years but I met you when I was living in. La Now they live in Florida and They remember that encounter I don't remember the encounter but but people have that because they know they're cared for and they know their works making a difference, they're much more deeply fulfilled. So those are two tips I will give other owners give people a sense that they're works making a difference and just make sure they feel that they're really care and they they are cared for. And if they do get both of those things right and you treat people reasonably fairly you're probably they may work for you. The rest of their lives because people are so hungry for those things it's not that common that people get that in a workplace. Absolutely. That's what I was just GonNa say in many in our audience are at a point in their career where they're moving into leadership roles for the first time and you know there are movies about horrible bosses and. We've all had those negative experiences with leadership. What have you done to create this empowering environment for your staff to speak up when they say, Hey, this person's not a good fit or hey, there's an issue that I want to solve as many in our audience or becoming leaders. Now, they're struggling with how to create that environment to empower instead of just being that terrible boss. The first thing to realize people pay a lot more attention to what you do what you say. You can't talk your way into empowerment. What you have to do is actually do it and mean it and you have to embody it yourself, and then people will begin to take it seriously, and if they see that they're not going to be if you're truly mean to empower them and you trust them to make a decision and if they mess up, they don't get fired but you talk about. The mistake and they learn from it and you encourage them then you truly are empowering them to people start to feel safe because if people don't feel safe, they feel afraid they're never going to make a risky decision. They're just going to keep their head down. So if you really want to unleash creativity and people's energy, they have to feel safe and they feel safe when they're not punished for making. A common mistake I mean should be punished. They're doing something egregious video get fired if you're doing something Regis but if people are just trying to do their best and there's an honest mistake, they need to feel like you've got their back that you're going to protect them and if they feel that way, then they're going to then you really are empowering them to come out of their safe place to do what's right by the business I take care of the customers. Yeah I think that's so important and when it comes to creating that longevity in your staff. Who WanNa stay there for ten fifteen, twenty plus years and be a part of the team that environment is crucial to longevity. You mentioned in the book a few examples of some private gratitude practices and appreciation practices that you use with your team. I love you could share them with our audience. I'll do appreciations first because that's the simplest thing to do, and it's completely transformative to an organization. In fact, if you got nothing else out of this talk, but you remember what I say about appreciations, you'll have gotten an incredibly important nugget here that'll help make your organization better. With whole foods does is we just end our meetings with appreciations. We end their voluntary nobody has to do them. But they're incredibly powerful for releasing love because when you give an authentic appreciation of somebody and that's really heartfelt. That person they may not have liked you before then they might have thought you were a jerk had all these judgments but you've just given this authentic appreciation and they feel care behind it that relationships going to change. They're going to say you know I, think I think misjudged Asia you know actually he's really good guy I can see that he really cares about me and and they start to reframe you in their minds and they they start to drop judgments. But of course, the real beneficiary in an appreciation is the person doing the appreciation because you cannot do a real appreciation I don't mean a fake one pretend one real one. Unless you open your heart and when you open your heart. The appreciation based on love. You just feel really good. You feel really really good when you appreciate other people. And I can tell you at whole foods appreciations. You're such a powerful, a unifying force that in our leadership group at whole foods. We used to do unlimited appreciations and sometimes they go on for a couple hours. And it's like this is ridiculous. We're over we're spending too much time appreciating each other we gotta get some work done too. So then we limit it to three can only appreciate three people. And that's still took too long because they'd been too much time when the free people. So now we just say look here's the deal just do one appreciation, one appreciation, and then you can get the appreciation done in a reasonable period of time but then they have to really think through the appreciation who they really want to single out for patient and then we can encourage them. You know if you have other people appreciate just do it anyway just don't do it here with the larger group just do it in private or cinema tax journey male or or give them a hug. Pre Cova OSCO. But appreciations really don't unleash love. If you WANNA leave with love start appreciations, I will tell you a story. It took me about a decade before I could get the board of directors at whole foods back when we were before the Amazon merger, took me about ten years to get the board of directors to begin doing appreciations. After we started doing appreciations I never had director ever leave I. Mean I had one retired old no director ever left. They loved coming to our meeting so much because they love the management, they love the other board members. They just loved whole foods market and it's kind of ironic when we got attacked by the shareholder activists their biggest criticism they came up with. Is Is. This board is they've been here too long they. They're all too cozy with management here and I guess if that's a bad thing than guilty as charged because we had a lot of directors have been there twelve, fourteen, fifteen over twenty years in some cases because they just really loved the company but that was apparently not a good thing corporate governance by. People who I don't know much about corporate governance. That's an example of the. Win Win Win in that the person receiving the feedback feels incredible. You giving that genuine appreciation feel incredible and the entire team feels supported and in many of us in our careers feel unseen unheard. We're working our hardest and maybe we're not getting the the big goals that are boss or teammates are expecting of us but even those small. Indelible efforts that we're putting into our job every day when they go unrecognized, you could feel unsupported and lose motivation. So creating that supportive environment and noticing even the small details to appreciate are so huge and we've brought to our meetings as well and it's been a huge deal. I mean many people think you have to celebrate just the big wins that's important. But even those small moments of appreciation were effort is well spent and someone went above and beyond go along way. It unifies and connects the team. So I'm really thrilled that you guys are doing that we've been doing them in our live programs for years, and one of my favorite results of implementing that is everyone is so insecure about what other people are thinking about them and how they're being perceived, and when you get that appreciation all of a sudden other people are calling attention attributes that perhaps you have not known about yourself for been thinking about yourself and now of a sudden. Start to walk with a little bit of swagger and because people are starting to see things in you that you have been tried to hide or try to cover up or have not even thought about the people are seeing and enjoying and appreciating of you. Yeah. You know one of the things about human beings were always not conscious of is sometimes we can be our own worst critic. We have an internal critics. It's always. Busting our chops for not being perfect for doing making mistakes and having somebody else let us off the hook and just tell us how much they appreciate us and seeing special things about us that we're not even wavy willing to admit to ourselves, and then they tell us about and it's like you know, I guess that's true. I never really thought about myself that way. So we actually it's a gift to appreciate people because. We on some ways are giving them permission to love themselves one hundred percent. Now, you mentioned something before we get to the gratitude practice that I think is also important because many of us are afraid of criticism and afraid of negative feedback and and obviously a long journey you've had your fair share of criticism as a leader how do you handle those those outside forces in that negatively and reframe it for yourself to be constructive and grow I, let me say that still growing edge for me my melot better and more skilled than it used to be. But I'd say definitely when I was younger and still does certain extent. The human reaction is when you feel like you're unjustly accused is to defend yourself right this like that's not true and that's unfair and they don't that's just completely inaccurate. And one thing is to see yourself very clearly and to look that information and say his true. And if it's not true and you know it's not true. Then you have to let it go and not bust your chops about it. But if you also look at it and say you know what there's some of that is true and I gotta I gotta own up to it, and then you can reframe it to see that criticism is actually a way to help you grow. It's a way for you to. It's a challenge I'm going to be better. I'M GONNA make sure that criticism disappears and I don't hear about any more in the future. So. We, we can either react defensively. Or. We can open ourselves to it and use it to help us transform ourselves. So obviously, the second strategies better but not I'm not going to say that's always easy to do, and it sounds like with the support of your wife and your team you also have that opportunity to ask them. GimMe. Some reference here is this really true. Do I have this blind spot that I might not see myself I try and what will we talk about that in the book because we talk about the shadow? Shadow is the part of our being that we're just not conscious of other people. See Our shadow make no mistake about it. Wait a minute. That's the our own shadow. What other people see it? And the people that love us the most are the ones that can help us. Deal with the shadow and constructive ways. I really think the significant others that are closest to bay see all the bullshit about us, and they still love US despite that and if we are open to it, they can help us deal with that part of us that needs to be dealt with because it. We're oftentimes we're not conscious of it frequently because we don't want to be conscious of it because it's it's ugly because it's part of our being that we don't want to admit is there and so we just push it out of the way we just push it out away refuse to see it. So part of being more conscious leader is simply taking more things out of the shadow and shining a light on it and getting an integrated into our fuller self, and the shadow can be our friend if we're willing to not be afraid of it or just deny it begin to slowly accept it, and that's part of who we are guess what I'm sometimes that way I admit it I'm sorry I'm going to do better I'm going to try harder I'm going to become more conscious of that make a joke that my always my wife's biggest project because she's always working on the shadow stuff in me. Every day seemingly but I know she loves me. So it I don't feel like her criticism is coming from judgment. It's coming from love that makes all the difference right I don't feel attacked I feel like she's just really trying to help me be a better person and even in your response what I loved was your openness and candor that I'm still working on this area. And you know many in our audience look up to everything that you've accomplished in your life and May may not believe that people in positions of power in leadership, view themselves that way and I think that's really important that you can recognize that it's still an area that you're working to improve, and you're taking that feedback constructively to grow and I think our audience can learn a lot from that. The private gratitude practices are another thing that Johnny night preach on the show here, and I know it's had a big impact in your life as well. You know what? The Alice talk about gratitude it's one of the aspects of leading with love. It's unlike appreciation which is more of a thing you do with groups you can do some gratitude exercises with groups and I do encourage that. But doing the private gratitude stuff I will tell you it's one of the most important keys to happiness. Because so many of us experience most of the time is we experience problems every day we face problems we face judgments where you've criticisms where things we're anxious about, and there's a tendency for ourself to contract. When we're under stress, the natural intention is to get a little bit down. And when we get down, we are basically shrinking in a way we're contracting and gratitude, and we start thinking about our problems and we start feeling sorry for ourselves. We go into victim stance. And when we do that, we're not happy. We're not happy when we're contract down on. Our problems. Gratitude reverses that with gratitude reverses the contraction we start to open up because when you when you start reflecting upon what you're grateful for the universe is getting bigger, we start reflecting on the beauty of life or how fortunate we are to have friends or to be somebody that loves us or having good health or music the beauty of music or touching you're seeing or just the there's so many beautiful things in life and just even as I'm talking about it. Now, I start to feel my being expand some and gratitude leads to happiness because when we're grateful we are more open to the universe we are more awake and you just feel better. So, what I do too major things pretty much every day. The first thing I do is I do gratitude in the morning. So wake up pretty early I have a little inner practice where I'm going to read some spiritual literature for maybe five or ten minutes, and then I'm going to do a gratitude exercise for two or three minutes. It doesn't take very long and then I'm GonNa Meditate. The whole thing probably takes thirty thirty, five minutes not that long. But if I do that every day and I got a good rhythm, good routine a no, my day is going to be a pretty good day because I'm getting enough to really good stark. And then I also do gratitude before meals and it's a good thing to do with the group. It's it's like, Hey, let's just do a little round of something. We're grateful for and really good thing to do with children. It's really good for children to do that by the way it's a great practice for them, but it's good for adults to do it as well and he go around you name one thing you're grateful for or two or three if you feel like it and you'll want your to get coal so people shouldn't go on forever but I always do it. If I'm by myself I just spent you know fifteen seconds thinking about what I'm grateful for. It helps me relax and I don't Wolf, my food down quite quickly either and if I'm doing it with my wife or somebody I love and we're having that gratitude connection, which is beautiful. Now, those are the only two things I really do but I know a lot of people do other third thing which we talk about in the book which is. Doing gratitude exercises before you go to sleep using by the time, I get in bed I. Am just so wrong I just want to go to sleep I go to sleep almost instantly since I get in bed But some People Journal doing a a gratitude journal can be very powerful because if you do a gratitude journal and you start to get down in life if you go back and open the journal. You see all these amazing things that you're grateful about four and life, and it's really hard to stay down. So the the gratitude journal is a great tool to develop and I could probably should do it. Some other time I might could do it in the morning, for example. In fact, that's a pretty good idea. Maybe I'll start doing that. Some people do it at night I just can't stay awake whether you start your day or end with it. Is that reset button for a lot of the stress that we carry with us and a lot of the negative focus that our mind tends to stick to in those stressful moments when we're contracting. We love asking all of our guests what they believed their x factor is and we define X. Factors win a mindset unlocks unique skill set for you. What would you say your x factor is is X. factor like superpower? Yeah. He'll say what your superpower I think my superpower. It I maybe two partial superpowers. One is. Very, creative meaning I generally can come up with win win win solutions I generally see a way out of a situation. And I. It's like I did with Amazon was when I can't just popped in it's kind of like. My subconscious mind working on something and it just a solution pops up and it's like, that's it. And I think that's kind of a superpower. The. Other sort of superpower is is that I'm able to really express truths about people in a loving way. I. See deeply into people's souls and then I can tell them what I love about them and I frequently bring him to tears because I'm telling them such a beautiful part of there being that. Maybe, they don't fully see themselves but when I express it, they see it. And I think that's the superpower. That's a gift that I have that's beautiful John, your company, and yourself have changed the shopping experience for all of us as we move into the future is there anything that you can tell us that we should be looking out for that will continue that evolution I can tell you that we're going to do some really cool stuff. In the next couple of years including something very cool in La. So in the LA in the greater L. A. Area and when you hear about it, you'll remember what I was talking about. So I think it's can be super cool and I do think it's going to change grocery shopping in the long run. So just remember I'm just giving you a teaser. Right, not going to tell you what it is. We'll stay tuned I. Didn't think we're in the death. Thank you so much for joining US job. We really appreciate it was a wonderful talk. Thank you. Guys are awesome. You guys are great. I. Mean do a quick appreciation. You guys are very conscious guys. It's not often when I'm doing this talk about conscious leadership and I'm talking to a conflict. So it's You guys asked great questions and it's obvious to me. You've got a really good business and I, wish you wish the very best. Thank you. Thank you so much. Likewise, greater success with whole foods is on the way and we appreciate all of those lessons from the Conscious Leadership Book and we've implementing them in our own business with great results facts if you guys decided to move to Austin make sure you contact me. Got It. Yeah. Definitely. Our guys you take care. So here is our challenge for you this week. We want you to take those exact same gratitude practices that our guest John Shared with us and bring them to your life this week. That's right. The entire week we want you to try out one of those daily gratitude practices for a week journaling about what you are grateful for. It's a great way to reframe your day, and of course, set the mood. We'd love to hear more this week. Shoutout goes our core confidence members and. They're fearless comfort zone challenges. I love see the pictures of them, giving it their all firing each other up and celebrating their winds keep up the great work guys. Now, science shows the fast way to grow your confidence is to consistently step outside of your comfort zone to become fearless over eight weeks our head coach Michael Guide you through a Fun Journey of Group coaching and support a build that bulletproof confidence stop letting life pass you. By. Fear overwhelm you or just a lack of confidence. Keep you from the life. 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"The. So now to show here on ESPN LA. Minimum hanging out with us here. Kirk Morrison our guest co host today. I so we're gonna play a game of ask, Dave, as we like to do when MC minutes here, Dave, Dave attell you? So I'm going to go through a list of free agents. Okay. Possible for ages. Now, I would prefer to build a roster out than adding the third max guy that is my position. So let's go with some of the guys that were already here, Rajen Rondo, yea, or nay Rajon. Rondo that minimum anything else? Okay. I'm good with that. Reggie bullock. Really even shoot. It's one thing to shoot is nothing battle shoot with the spotlight on you and LeBron James throwing that pass and everybody in the arena, expects you to make it where else. Yeah. Right. Knee. Rodney. I know he didn't have that huge of a length of addition last year, a lot about this stuff going on. But to me, and I'm not voicing just my own opinion. Other people around the team. I'm not so sure he showed that he can do that. Okay. You gotta name Kirk nods. Rodney hood last year did it and then spotlight was on. And it was like deer in headlights respective at a guy like Mike Dunleavy junior was in Cleveland for a little bit, right? Get no student hit them. Yeah. And they got rid of that year. They brought in cal- covert respective it and hit him until game through the bottle. But he was able to do it. So certain guys are built that way. Certain aren't funny. I got into a fight with her one time, because he said that about Mike Miller years ago, and I was like, and that was his reputation. I'm like I said, it's different when you're playing with LeBron though, like some guys will and Miller worked out. He went to more. No played on teams without a shoe. Yeah. All right. So let's go land Stevenson because of the Frank Vogel connection. I say okay, okay, let's go javale McGee. Wait until middle July before I say. Let's go out missing. Anyone in? That was in. That was left Moscow. Woah, Mike Golic day. Yeah. That's it. We're done with the group. Yeah. Pretty much. So let's go outside free agents. Patrick beverley. Really like him. I need the right number though. Right. And he's probably gonna wanna get paid you wants to get paid. Right. And Chicago's a lot of cap space. There's been some messaging coming out of his camp that he is the windy city's home born product back. All right. Toughness back. Get back grit and get that money. Right. And so I'm not so sure what if the Lakers ended up having to break up this money that they have? Now, I'm not so sure they have enough to satisfy him from what he wants and have enough to get other pieces. Let's try veteran, swingman and two time. NBA champion Danny green. Yes. My mind big time. Yeah. Especially the ten million dollar range. Bring him. Yeah. I think it works for, for him to how about alpha Rukh amino of the Portland trailblazers too expensive, maybe possibly to expensive. I like the idea of having a live body, his a lot of times when you Admiral players, they're older. Yeah. And. He's in twenty s and you struggled defensively. So that's intriguing. Yeah, Trevor Ariza former Laker. Yeah. And I think he could be had at the minimum. Okay. And you know, obviously they flirted with him last year. It was almost very nearly a Laker. Yeah. I think that could be possible Washington when they traded for him were under the guise of we want him to be part of the program moving forward. Then John wall gets hurt. Right. And that changes everything time line. Another guy we forgot Tyson Chandler, does Jalen, I would say, yeah, but I don't know how much less than thirty eight thirty nine. Rudy gay. Wouldn't be at the top of my list because of his age. I like skillset ABC's smart player. But it would be I would get a lot of teams hang or camp, Saharan me first before I give the money to radio. Okay. Jonas direct boat, Jericho Kirk sky, you'll should call. Cool guy. Oh. No, no, no, no. K what about a return to Los Angeles for Austin rivers? All that's right. Also agent I like him. I do in a Laker uniform defense is can create his own shot, any defense. Yeah. And shoots. Okay shorty about him. Yeah. Been through some some interesting teams role player the starter. I think we're both on your side with us rivers not. Not. Wesley matthews. Okay. Yeah. You shot Wilson Chandler. Okay. Justin holiday. That's intriguing name. Yeah. I mean, I think you could have something there. But. Yeah, that's intriguing. I like it. Darren collison. Yeah. Yeah. I think he can play. Yeah. Yeah. Shoot. And I mean, the same thing with Kemba like talking about maybe a little bit of a problem in the playoffs whatever, because of his size but he does better defensive instincts. I think yeah and can get you into offense when LeBron's on on the floor and he's played on teams with success. Yeah. Bench quarter. He's vet minimum for sure. Yeah, I love in scarred as I had to say, yeah, I'm not, not know how much he'd bring you love. I love your boy, Carmel incident -solutely. Drop. Something with the. No. Come on, like that needs to happen in LeBron playing together, camello shouldn't go out the way he did. He's one of the best scores ever to play the game bring him in. And by the way, this is the most mellow situation for him. Right. Lebron's here vet minimum championship squad, right him able to give you a game here there. That's all you need, right? Yeah. I'm with you on that. I made on the mellow train in that situation. Let's get to the phones real quick. Guys. Make it quick for Dave ready. We're gonna play a round of day. David tell you. Let's go to Frederik LA, go Frederick. Frederick. Hey Dave, how you going to have you believe father's eighteen you guys real quick day? Wondering isn't anyway way we can do a one on one with the workers. There's a way I don't think he'd want to do that. I think most of those guys, the Ford guys, I mentioned Colli Kemba, Jimmy in Cairo would all be interested in a two, plus one. Right. They get back into a ten year plus give one year of insured, in case unhappy because that way they just maximize their dollars that makes because then all of a sudden in two years, they can get the Kevin Durant deal, which is in theory starting at thirty nine and a half, which in two years, we'll probably be close. We'll be over forty that's my because it's gonna keep going up right? Maurice in Long Beach. Go MAURICE asked Pang hay day going on guide to be a part of the community to questions day one. What impact does the luxury tax have in signing any of these free agents? And then to one player, you guys didn't mention that would be a perfect fit in my mind would be. Parents. Roth what do you think about that day? So it was your second one. Terrence Ross is good name. That's a name that has been discussed in again. He has Vogel connection. He may want too much money. A lot of money for us as for your first question luxury taxes, not an issue right now, but the salary cap is, but they are below the cap line. And that's why they have this certain amount of money to deal with in future summers. They'll be able to go into luxury tax to resign the guys the have, but because they've gotten rid all those young guy outside of Kuzina. They gotta worry about luxury tax isn't really an issue the summer. Let's go to Ian and Redonda were will be for Anthony Davis celebration party. It's no longer the draft party on Thursday at Rockin bruise on the corner of PCH and Palo, Verde is boulevard. Ian, I will. I will be there gentlemen day. What do you think about mountain Brockman in Bojan Bogdanovic? And so I like both those names, I based on it seems when you talk to people run the league you probably ended up money to get one of them. And after that, you may only have enough money to maybe offer five or six million to the next guy. And so you got to really like one of those two guys, I mean, people are talking about them in the fifteen million dollar range. Yeah. Then, you know, let's say it goes up to eighteen then you down to like five million dollars. So if you are absolutely in love of one of those guys. Yes. But I'm not so sure they bring enough to make it better than trying to go for two or three us brogden the two I would brogden only because he defends more would be the guy that I would look at between those two but I'm with you. I don't think those guys necessarily put your over that he had a nice playoffs at times. He looked like their second best. What, what is that minimum right now? It if they're more than ten plus years in the league it the player gets around two and a half million. But the league pays half of that, okay. The salary cap. So you hit one point five retirement fund. And there is no mid level exception available. Now they have a room exception. It's worth just around five million. Yeah. Yeah. For eight, I think is the number of Jacqueline. Dean and Duarte. What's up dean go asked a question day? Lebron in good faith to two AD, also take a four million dollar pay cut to match with, you know, just in good faith to AD. And also, what about Seth curry? I think he's perfect Goodwin that we didn't talk about love Seth Kerry. And again, who knows what that number is. And you know, why would also Portland wanna let him walk. It's mid west conference finals as the bond, this isn't like baseball or football. You can't open up an NBA players contract and have. Hey cut it doesn't work that way. So even if he wanted to you couldn't do it. Let's go to Nancy in Huntington beach, Nancy. What do you got? Hey, dave. So Fred, Long Beach, kind of touched on my question. But I'm trying to understand the salary cap and why we just can't sign kublai lynyrd in free agency. He'll go over the salary cap. You can you can only offer what you have available on in the cap. So it's going to be anywhere between twenty three million and thirty two million depending on how they manage this summer, and then why for any other team out there offer him the full max that they have it. And so he would have to decide that you want to come to LA so bad that potentially he would take a pickup. You can go over the salary cap for your own players, who you have the right on your roster who bird rights for Hector Lassie nights. Actor. Jerry. I set the record straight. I need you to tell this man, we heat, boy, aka Georgia done knows that Davis is a much better player than doing ways. That's not what the discussion was the discussion was who is best. Hey, I ain't nothing. All right. I'm letting if I were so afraid of what hung up on you alone time ago. Hector just I'm not gonna take size here. But first of all, don't come on. Georgia show and say stuff of that, second of all way, way way way, was already a finals MVP. And thank you at the chamber ship by the time LeBron play with him a great player that if anything, LeBron owes Dwayne Wade for some of his maturity go. You go. So now what? Offensive taken offense to that. That's all. In the community. We in the community. We can fight a little bit at least fight right? Exactly. I'm talking about that. AD is gonna provide in terms of his plate and his skill set, much better acid than doing way with a. Fits better. I said that I said he's the, he's the most complimentary Abrazos. Heck does Hector? I hope he's better the way because LeBron size because he wasn't to ten. Right. So you better hope he's better. The way was Fitch matter. I said that, that was because I was asking his ethnic Davis, the most under player that LeBron is ever played with and you go back to the beginning Cleveland. Yeah, he goes to Miami. And you mentioned that look Dwayne Wade is already won a championship. But let's be was he is, is he has talented or more talented than Anthony Davis right down their primate is basically almost saying, if you've got these two guys in their prime. Are you taking Anthony Davis or wait? It's so tough Dwayne Wade's the proven commodity. That's the hard part is that you can't shield what he already accomplished Dwayne. Wade is accomplished so much more ready to go into Wayne way, but I'm looking Davis and it was like two years ago. We're talking about all the general managers in the NBA saying, I wanna start a franchise with this guy, jury out. I mean that's the because he's in Alleyen. Yeah, I agree. But that doesn't mean being accomplish. Sched matter and Dwayne Wade with not the best. Supporting cast won a championship and Davis would not the best point has made it to the second round the playoffs right show. Dave, thank you. Gotta run appreciate it. I coming up next. Speaking of who needs who, who benefits more of this new relationship, LeBron or AD. We'll get into that in four and a half minutes, Donald show here on ESPN LA. We've got a short segment here. So I want to get some of the questions, people are sending our way you can tweet us at Sodano ESPN at Kirk Morrison. Thanks again today mcminn for joining us there, Sam amick of the Atlantic is gonna join us in about nine or ten minutes. So. Here's the thing, I was trying to tell people to chill out. I didn't even forgot to even get to this because it's been Dave showed up man, people Lakers, Twitter Yanni to just chill. Yeah. Like, not everyone is gonna love the trade. Not everyone's going to be me who says the hell with it. You figure you pay the piper, when you pay the piper, and like look in twenty four and twenty five or whatever when LeBron's probably re probably change from be retired. He'd better be right LeBron's retired. So you say he's not going to Vince Carter. No one LeBron's retired. We'll this trade potentially look tough. Yeah. Because you won't have acids the deal to make the team better. Yes. But if this pairing of Anthony Davis, LeBron renders title, which I believe it will who gives a rat's butt like who cares. Honestly, the Lakers have been bad for six years. Seven years. Okay. So wouldn't you just take title, one title, wouldn't it calm you down for at least a little bit? You know, we'll tell you the people in Toronto right now. He just had a parade today. They're telling you like last year when messiah jury made a tray for they will do it all the way over again, quieter just there for one year and leaving people Toronto, I get it. I get the Lakers, aren't they have sixteen chambers the raptors but it's been a rough goat. It's hard not being able to go to the club and saying in the last six years that you haven't even been to the party having been. It's one thing to go to the club and then be get VIP service. They are not even getting into the club, right? Which is just the playoffs. So I get that you have to make it move like this. I that's the big agrees agreed. And what I would say to people that don't like other people's opinions like I think we live in an era, where. It's very easy to just dismiss. People's opinions and media, particularly in the media, particularly right? And I don't feel like that is the way that people should go. I think that you should treat people who cover row sport or any sport with the Monica of respect they deserve. There's a reason they are in the position that they're in, and you don't have to like everything they say, but you don't have to be disrespectful, or claim some wide ranging conspiracy every single time someone looks at this because all I saw on my social media this weekend. And again, I don't even understand why you even bother like who cares. People people think on this is what I saw. Oh, yeah. People love the trade for the pelicans now. But they were trashing the trade in February. Here's the difference, all those draft picks the Lakers got the fourth pick in the draft that that wasn't available in February. And by the way, the pick swaps, the unprotected picks and twenty five or whatever the hell it is none of that stuff was available at that time. Those things are valuable if things work out for the pelicans, okay? But it doesn't mean that the Lakers trade in the short term is wrong. The Lakers trade in the short term is absolutely the right move a hundred times out of a hundred. Okay. Now, what happens in seven years, whatever, just deal with. It is Lana championship, or maybe two who cares Georgia immediately when the trade came down Saturday for me obviously the football reference, I immediately went and sat down and. Just looked at the Herschel Walker trade now for all the people who don't know what the harsher Walker. Trae was. It was the Dallas Cowboys made a trade with the Minnesota Vikings. They just robbed problem this, the great robbery Evans thirty for thirty but the Minnesota Vikings felt that they were a player way they traded for obviously Herschel Walker. They traded away for four players and they try to multiple draft picks. Similar to what's going on here with New Orleans in Los Angeles, basically L as we gotta get our guy. We know that we're one player away from being not just playoff contender. We're talking about NBA championship contender. Who cares about the player before? I mean, the player that you let go into draft picks now and in Herschel Walker deal. We know the Dallas Cowboys did what they, they got Emmett Smith. Russell maryland. They ended up going on to win championships. And a lot of people are saying, well, because they fleeced Minnesota, no Minnesota got the player that they want it, right. It didn't work out. Right. I would do it all over again could right. And the legs are saying the same thing. We wanted Anthony Davis. We will do it all over again to. Right. The one guy to team up with LeBron's. And you know what? If it if it doesn't work out five or six years, we have been to the playoffs and five years or six years. Something has not been working, it's not going to happen now because this is how we're doing it we go onto Anthony Davis needed, man. My point is who cares. What? Know how Jordan people are going to say you're a hater when you're just giving your opinion and but you're also stating both sides of the store. He was just a hate or your fan. Boy, there's like, no, we just gotta understand that this team was desperate to get they were already Davis and they should have been and they've been desperate for a long time, and this was the only deal that they can do, because the free agency is just not for sure. This is a for sure thing, right? You got him. This is your for sure. Yes. Like you don't have to wait until June. Thirtieth in knock on doors very last year. Magic is going in the Bronx house, and I gotta beat her first and hopefully you come you don't have to worry about that now. So let's get to to get to this. Call real quick Eddie and Bill gardens because he has the question that I was going to answer now anyway. But go ahead he asked the question. A couple of questions. Can't we just picked up somebody's traffic by buying it? If we don't have you can only buy second round picks. Okay. Let's bio many as we can play Lakers have there have about three million in change. They can buy second round picks. Yes, they can't get the cap. I don't believe. So no around pigs. Do now do not count against the cap because they're not guaranteed contracts that by all at another thing we can't really have first round draft pick and take the time to develop these players, wouldn't it be better for us to get guys that can be part of the transition after the Brown James and at the same time one name you can't do that about. Eddie. That's what the G league is for. You know what I mean? That that's what that's or I was just going to set up my point. My point is this Russell. He's already been developed that we can stick it to magic. I don't believe I could be wrong on this money for the Angelo. I don't believe they might, but they don't I don't believe that, that relationship has been repaired enough, right with the agent and the player and all that stuff. That's just my speculation. But he was wondering his question was on the board. Which is what do you do after LeBron, you figure that out when you figure that out when it gets here? Right. You worried about are now you've got a shot clock. Lebron James prime. You gotta take advantage of, and if, as long as it renders championships. It's going to be a success, you just deal with the ramifications later. Yeah, that's one night Vegas, right? Yeah. You get that credit card Bill when it comes. Just let me know when they get here. I have a great night. We're bagging three minutes. We're gonna talk to Sam amick of the Atlantic. Get his thoughts on this trade next today to show here on ESPN LA Kirk Morrison hanging out with us. Man, it is the day that you've all been waiting for. Seriously? He's here. You've got a legit star pairing with LeBron James. Well, he's not here here, but you, you get my point Anthony Davis is going to be here in LA. The Brian gets that superstar to play with to end his career in theory. And it's now about what the hell else you do with the rest of the roster. We'll talk to Sam amick about that of the ethnic makes you support journalism support the athletes, and subscribe, so Sam what the hell would you do with the rest of the money here? George kirk. What the hell would I do? I mean first of all, I must wonder we got you know what I mean? That's a great question. Let's go. Let's, let's just assume that it's the lowest possible money here twenty three million. And maybe you can create another four with the Anthony Davis trade kicker. Yeah. I mean, I certainly I don't have concrete until on that front. But I, I tend to believe that if the fourbillion handy for the Lakers, and is the difference between, you know, one guy, another guy that I just acted Anthony would be willing to waive that trade kicker, you know, if you talking about the twenty three point seven figure then I it sounds, you know, like they're trying to put lipstick on a pig so to speak. But I think there's still a lot of optimism within the Lakers that you'd get high level row players are supporting cast guys. That would be the focus, I think, once you get past, you know, the, the shooting for the stars literally figuratively of quite Leonard, Kyrie Irving guys like that. If guys just aren't in the cards, then I'm not sure how hard they're gonna go after the Campbell's. And they've even the Jimmy's, I don't have clarity Jimmy Butler, that is I don't clarity on that yet. But I think the idea would be, let's not completely forget about the importance of depth and not get too. Best with the three star formula, especially when they have guy then calculate about who you know is not a star at this point. But he's very good player. Yes. I agree with you. In terms of you gotta go. Obviously, I'm calling the kosco route. Okay. You gotta go buy in bulk. That's what the Lakers are going to be. They got. They got a lot of this money twenty three million. So how do you divvy it up? And then what guys can you bring on my thing is if you know what's going to happen? Come June, thirtieth possibly, how does Thursday, kind of handle? I mean, kind of go about because I'm kind of, in a situation in which I'm not so sure. How Thursday kinda plays out with a trait already having been done, but it hasn't been announced the Lakers still hold the pick. They still got a pick and then gave it to the pelican, I'm still trying to figure out how to Thursday go with the draft. Yeah. I mean it's tough to get a beat on it. I mean the thing if you're Lakers, you just hope that they'd Griffin gets. You know, the pelicans GM get so excited about somebody at number four that he doesn't wanna move the pick because my read of the situation. Is he ended up the side, and that he's gonna move that take for, you know, maybe more substantive piece a young player, whatever it might be then in terms of the timing of the deal, you are then inserting another person at the table in terms of getting everybody on the same page and deciding one is trying to get executed, you know, in the kind of way most advantages from Lakers, and their cab, or does it just reach a point where you have three teams at the table is too complicated. And nobody's really, to help the Lakers anyway. So then they end up getting stuck not being able to, to get to that max money figure. So in that regard, you know, Lakers fans should root for that take stay put and have, you know, somebody go to the pelicans as planned at that slot beyond that I think it's just a winning game. I think it's a I mean on the pelicans side, which I know is not the focus at all guys audience, but, you know, they're famed should be pretty fired up. I mean because I've never seen a team pivot this quickly when they lose a guy Anthony's caliber. And this, I think is the. Good pelicans teams with a lot of stuff to be excited about, and, you know, for them. Thursdays, huge for the Lakers. It just trying to wait and see how the dust settles. Yeah. What I was talking about before you came on salmon. Same of the athletic joining us year covers the NBA insider, just done a phenomenal job for many, many years. So. These things aren't mutually exclusive. The Lakers did the right deal for themselves because of the LeBron time line. And the pelicans also made out really, well, because also of the LeBron timeline, he's not going to be playing twenty four and twenty five percent. I mean, here's the thing. There's a there's a Laker fans great on a carry when it comes to trade like this in by that, I mean, people back to this mastery, you know, there are similar elements are during that time, they the idea was, you know, we can't waste the end of Kobe's run. So you gotta get Kobe. Some held Dwight some help and you know, and they thought they had a super team that's on. But first of all, Kobe was older, you know, and then second of all we know what happened. That's you know, the injury the achilles happening, and it was a disaster see was hurt most of the time with the Lakers and Steve, you know, on his own was not a twenty six year old all NBA. First team MBA type player like a is. So they Laker fans have seen their breath, go all in, like this before and give up, you trashes and compromised. What's down the line from the president, and I'm with you, George? I think it was the right move. You know, you can't I mean LeBron still not only incredible player, but he's, I think, even once you, you kinda incentivize. With this type of talent. And you get a group around him that actually looks taper to be championship caliber, I think if he can stay healthy, then you, you're gonna get that guy even stolen ninety percent of what he was a couple years ago. But he's an incredible ball player. And this is the business they got in once they decided last summer to go ahead and, and, you know, welcome LeBron or Lakers, you have to make the most of the time, you can't be thinking about down the road and yeah, for the pelicans, this is a hall this xactly what they grew in shoot of guy he, he had all the leverage, the Lakers Pelinka. This only way out namely, getting dragged through the mud and, you know, and this is I do think a good thing for them Sam. We haven't mentioned fring bowls name at all. I mean he's mean he is the head coach of the team. And now he has to figure out how to not only mesh LeBron and David, I think we'll be seamless but now put the guys around him calculus must own a roster. But now what types of guys are we talking in order to make this team, what people consider a championship contender? I mean first and foremost, obviously, you need a point guard Joe, you know, that'll be I think entertaining, to see what direction they'd go. You know, there's trade stuff out there. Utah, seems to have the pole position on my collie, you know, and his days coming to an end in Memphis, and the Lakers, don't really have the assets to get a trade like that done, and so free agency wise, you know, kyri is Hollywood ending, right. Because the whole bag story with the LeBron and that's still does seem certainly not completely, you know, just impossible, but pretty unlikely but who knows. We'll see if that heats up at all the Kemba thing that's the one where, you know, I would probably go down that road. I'm not sure if they're going to be willing to especially the guy that is trying to get match money out of their supermax money out of Charlotte, so that price tag is very high. The point guards extremely important. Even if you're going down to Ricky Rubio types, or even Gordon, judges and always been heard lately, but he's the guy that jumped this summer. They need a reliable one that shit's the skill of those other guy. And then you got to build it out and don't build it out in the kind of zany nonsensical way that they did last summer. You know what I mean don't understand? They always like always defended themselves by saying, we only had x amount of money, and we had to keep our books clean by signing. You know, just guys on your deals and I get it. But the man it was just perfect storm of going out and getting every mission in the league and me steer clear of that type of approach. But, you know, point guard I go from there, but again, death is going to be important how many titles justifies the cost is one enough. Yeah. I think, so, for sure, I think one's enough because for one that just it would make the LeBron era actually an era instead of a, you know, kind of a mistake. I mean, if we had last year on repeat and, you know, even if they got in the playoffs, and they were getting bounce in the first round LeBron James, you know, says goodbye to the NBA, and it's after several years and went there was no high level success and trophies. With the Lakers. I think that's a major letdown. I mean because he you know, decided to partner with them, and you kinda fell in their lap, and they need to make the most of it. So I think one's enough because I you know, I have generally believe George it even like the rafters title. I don't care why lease. I mean one championship, they massive accomplishment for any franchise. I know the Laker standards are different and, you know, they their squad that has more than anybody, but, but I think you know, given all the different circumstances, you know, one would not only be enough. I still, you know, I'm not I'm not ready to say they have one coming. You know what I mean? Not this year, not next year. I need to see the rest of that roster. Yes. And that's a big thing. We see that roster. But if they don't win it this year because always look going into the season right now Laker fans are excited. They should be. But if they don't wanna title this year or the expectation of winning the title this year. How does that ramp up or in what year in which the pressure really, really mounts up? Well, on the first of all, like the AD thing. If they didn't do it this year. Then this year, better at least go pretty well. You know what I mean you're talking about de playoff run. You talking say energy between LeBron AD and you're talking relationship stuff being positive because, you know, for sure, eighty wants to be a Laker in my understanding is, there's no promises being giving you know, in consign the extension this summer is not gonna do that. He is gonna conceivably enter free agency next year, but there is right now anyway, there's a real strong understanding that this is a franchise that he wants to be with longtime. We just saw though with the cavity story on Boston like that, that goodwill can dissipate pretty quickly depending on what actually unfolds. And so if this year doesn't go, well, you know, then that's a bad thing for Lakers. They gotta make sure that be wants to come back, and then I mean, it's got to be of this year next year thing because I know LeBron superhuman, but he's not the whole father time element and just laying on all of them and. And so, you know, they can't waste any time Sam last one for you. What's your read on Kurai if anyone could have a read on him, I guess? I got a little bit of recency by us because I covered the final around the raptors folks, and they feel really good about their relationship with him also reacting to the championship parade stuff today. I'm a sucker for like that stuff. Actually getting my attention. And when, when his uncle the infamous, uncle dentist allegedly chanting, five more years, that would make me nervous, if I was the clippers you know, I'm not sure that I don't think allies gonna be shining five year deal with the rafters, but he's pretty comfortable out there. And so I don't have a hard read at all. I just know that the relationship stuff within Toronto organization is really, really strong. And so, I would I would look at messiah Jerry's future, if my size gonna stick around into why group pretty close, Nick had a good relationship with Colli Alex macaque, neither trainer didn't work magic with Kalis body load management, you eat kinda rewrote the book on how superstars can be handled when it had health problems. There's all these other relationships. To that. I think are important part of that program. They give the raptors edge. So I'm probably leaning towards Toronto. But, but, you know, that's just he's the toughest free agent out there to read just from a personality kind of until standpoint, sham. Thank you, as always. Always appreciate the time. You gotta, you gotta make of the makes you subscribe to the support journalism coming up next in four minutes, you and I will get into a little further. I do think that there is an interesting dynamic about Kawais future that not enough. People are chatting about Sam kind of alluded to it there. We'll get to that. And just a few moments back in four minutes on a show here on ESPN LA. Thanks to Sam amick, who joined this there. From the athlete. We just put up a Twitter poll on ESPN Los Angeles. How many championships justifies the trade so you vote one to three or more than three at ESPN Los Angeles. And you're listening to Caspian Los Angeles. Oh, don't do that. He gets very testy about that funky. That is that's probably you can play it. I'm just joking. Could play. You could not grew. Now full now. That is probably the one moment that LeBron is very touchy about. Get caught up in a moment. Yeah, anybody would got lost in the sauce and anybody a ratty pep rally anybody would. And I think that's I wouldn't that happened, George. I was two thousand ten right? That's when I really felt that the social media, boom just started. Well, Twitter had only been like two years. Eight years. Yeah. So, so Twitter was two years old. Right. Facebook was renting, but it was around Instagram wasn't even out, yet, even been out, yet, they were still doing testimony development. So that was like the really the first true sports moment to really go viral. Yeah, it was a human being like I'll die. What was our even a word back because I don't know it just the way that things circulated, but which was like the first time we actually saw him in the Miami Heat jersey. Right. So, yeah, he that is one of the things that he is that annoys him. And I get it. I get why would annoy him because it gets played a lot. So I have jokingly saying, don't play it again. But, you know, maybe I am because he might be listening. We don't I don't need that kind of grief. So I'm gonna ask you this. How many titles I asked Sam? He says, one, I agree. Yeah. He's one enough one championship enough to justify this trait were saying in the LeBron. Yeah. One champion the LeBron. So we're saying one championship in the next three years. I say just one and the reason why say that because this year was kind of the wash here, we know I think this year will be tough for them to women championship this year. I think you have to see what works and what doesn't work. We saw it in Miami, the first time the first year comp- you know, getting the team together. Right. We saw at the first year in Cleveland, getting the team together, I always takes one year. I'm really I'm throwing this year with the broad awash. All she, I think they're winning this year. I think this is the year you have to win it. I know that it's harder. But this is the year you have to win it because the warriors we know are not going to be the warriors this year. Correct. But I still. Don't see this year. Is this too many moving like I get that. Anthony Davis in LeBron are the just to office. I get it calculus. Anthony Davis really? No. Now I'm just saying he's Hurson alleyways. He's of he's Robin. Yeah, I'm terms of the, the all stars super team, you know what I mean. Super player LeBron is Batman Cran. Always Anthony Davis is cool being Robin. I just don't know that they can fill out a roster with the amount of depth that you need to win a championship in year, one of the LeBron aids. Very, very hard. That's my only now in year two of it. Yeah. When you realize, oh, I always say, you know, your sophomore year your junior year, you kind of know how to navigate things a little bit better than the first year your freshman year in high school college, and you have another year of the low of the mid level, taxpayer, mid level, you can add, another player, veteran type guy, right? Yeah. But to SAM's point I do expect a deep playoff run. I expect team sure at least Western Conference final. As least. Yeah. In this west to be in the final say Western Conference final now for me this, this me, because of my, you know, my background being in the NFL that I just don't put pass other teams getting better. I saw Portland get better this year. I don't know what Oklahoma City is going to look like next year. Houston looks they all the rumblings going on down there right now between James harden? Chris paul. I have to look at teams getting better. Because if you would've asked me before the season, do I think the Toronto Raptors are going to win the championship. No do I think they were gonna make deplane run. Yes, conference final. You know, maybe toward NBA final yet, but to win the entire thing that surprised me but they did it with a lot of veterans. I just don't know if they have enough in this first year that they can get collectively to be on the same page just the first year history is on your side. Yes. There's no question about that. That's my only, but now in three years. I believe that they will win one possibly two chimps in the next three years. So the question I was going to bring up about Kawai, and we'll people want to chime in on this at eight seven seven seven ten ESPN. We'll take some calls, but everyone is wondering about coli, right? Yes. And Damon Jones kind of sparked this speculation earlier today on get our, here's what he says. Yes, after AD trade on Saturday, had a conversation with somebody that's close to the situation that said that collide Leonard is now in play for the Lakers now is a lot of things that have to happen. The Lakers have to clear the cap space, although quiet Linda right now still, contemplating if he's going to go back to Toronto. And if he does that it'd be on a shorter deal. So you're saying that if he still certainly very much in play that he goes back to Toronto yet, if not the Lakers are legit possibility for him. Strong possibility. I was told by someone close to the situation understand. He's winking. Wink, both. It's okay. That's my Greenberg, Jalen rose chiming in and then Jalen chimed in some more. I need messiah stays. I think that's a legit chance to co Austin where do you think of messiah state? Well, I see I still have Greg on the clippers clippers and you believe if he doesn't stay in Toronto with the Lakers. Okay. So there you go. So that was Jay Williams who believes clippers and Damon Jones. Now David Jones, very tight LeBron. So when he's winking my assumption is look LeBron Stephen came on this show. Okay. And it might if we could find that like it's just hard, I guess it was the last time he was on during the playoffs, and he said, LeBron James, flew to Philadelphia during that series between the raptors in the Sixers to meet with Kawhi Leonard. Now that doesn't mean that, that's a done deal. But I believe Stephen a Smith, when he's telling me that stuff it ain't gonna happen, though, but I don't believe it's going to happen. Yeah, I don't. And the reason why you can leave a small. Yes. Liver of. Hope possibly Ford. I don't believe it's going to okay, you let me I heard just a few days ago, wind rapid went Philadelphia, LeBron James there. Lebron James was seen talking the kuwa- Linnet now. Whether or not that's true remains to be seen. And even if it is true, I don't expect him to admit it, but he's recruiting. He's ready to go each trying to get some help this summer to come to Los Angeles. You're hearing people Trump about how it's not a foregone conclusion that let it going to elect to go to the clippers that indeed he may want to become a loss Angeles Lincoln play along with the Bronx. My belief is is that if the bronze age was out there recruiting and being passionate about helping the Lakers returned. The prominence particularly in the aftermath of Magic Johnson, walk in the way, one would stand to believe that he believes the coach was ready in place that it was a fall on conclusion at Lou was gonna be the next head coach for the Los Angeles Lakers. So now that, that does. All right. So Tyler there at the end, but you got the gist of what he was talking about. Yeah. I just, you know, Damon's getting it like David knows LeBrun LeBron's. I I'm working, I get that part. But that's obvious about my sources who I talked to who are very close to Hawaii as well. Oh, you talking. No. Not even. Dennis is other guys who are even closer see people focus on Dennis because he's the most vocal group. Well co is family has been liking stuff on social media about the Lakers and the raptors the one thing is that he is an alum of San Diego State, right, aim. So you got to understand, there's people inside the circle. Who we know? And we still talk to their, the reason why that send ego state is still a jump man school Koa news. Breaking but as much as people are seeing that it's a possibility Kurai from what I've been told it's he won't play with the Lakers. That's just what I just because LeBron over the years, he's just he doesn't want to be in that situation. Why would he want to be the third guy, correct? In that doesn't make sense to me. And I get where people can say, well, he wants to he wants to be LA wants to do this. Look, I'll tell you this. I, I don't know what was going on in the mind of every time that we've talked he's always been very cordial. We sit down have just chopping up just cool. But I think he really doesn't know what he wants to do yet. I think he's really torn about it. He's got, you know, the house down in San Diego Rancho Santa Fe, which he's going to be at all off season. But I don't know if he just wants to return LA. Yet win like you mentioned. He can sign a deal to a point where he could be a free agent again and get even more money. That's why leaving Toronto. I don't know. I don't I think he stays in Toronto who needs who more LeBron or a d we'll get into that on the other side. Plus, we'll get to what's trending, including Kawai trending for a reason all that coming up in about four and a half minutes. But I gotta tell you about my friends at Reseda Benz of Encino the best dealer in town man, right before the holidays. I needed a new vehicle. My lease was up a winter Mercedes-Benz of Encino between haven hurston Balbo out there in the heart of the valley on Ventura boulevard and they got the deal done man. And they treated me like a king, and I saw well, I thought to myself way doing radio commercials. I'm of course I'm gonna treat me like a VIP. No, no, no, no everybody in that show got VIP treatment, man. 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100: Mercedes engine guru Andy Cowell on the art of creating the perfect F1 power unit

F1: Beyond The Grid

1:03:55 hr | 2 months ago

100: Mercedes engine guru Andy Cowell on the art of creating the perfect F1 power unit

"Hello everyone and welcome. Once again to the old rouge of podcast land, it's beyond the greed with me Tom Clarkson we're off to spa this weekend. One of the greatest challenge is on the calendar for both man and machine more than seventy percent of the lab spent at full throttle. So it's a power track in the truest old school meaning of the words, and it's one at which Mercedes with all of their engine mods. Still in place one last Hurrah will expect to go very well and they used to success. Yes, they are since the turbo hybrid era was introduced in two thousand, fourteen. Mercedes of one, ninety, four of the hundred and twenty seven races have taken place a seventy, four percent winning percentage per Mercedes high-performance powertrains. The sister companies to the racing team haven't even better strike rate when it comes to pole positions, their power units have taken one hundred and and one polls during the same period. One, hundred from sad's GP and one for Mercedes powered Williams back in two thousand, fourteen that's eighty percent of the racist on pole. And this way my guest is the man in charge of Mercedes. HP. Andy how. He's worked at the company since two thousand and four, and he's being the engineering and program director since two, thousand and eight. It was Andy and his team of boffins that oversaw the design and development of the all conquering power unit that is rewritten f one stat books over the last seven years and in what is a fascinating chat you're going to hear how Andy Did just that and why? After all of that success, he's decided to leave the team at the end of the year and look for pastures new. But Andy's F one journey stretches further back. Mercedes we'll also hear about the other teams he's worked for and how the art of developing race winning power plant has changed in the thirty years that he's been in the. Job and I promise you. It's truly fascinating stuff as there is thoughts on what makes Lewis Hamilton so good but to start with, we spoke about the very different but vitally important challenge Andy was involved with in the early part of two thousand and twenty with hospitals in the UK and around the world needing to support patients with covid Nineteen F one engineers from several teams. Again, Project pit-lane an initiative to US F one engineering to deliver much needed medical devices to the front line almost overnights Mercedes high performance power trains went from building race engines to lifesaving breathing devices and Andy was right at the forefront. Amazing, project to be involved in. I, think we all class owes a super lucky to be involved in that. As you mentioned the Mobin grump Ray was was canceled on the. On the House of the Friday morning, and then over that weekend, there was the coal from the government from Boris to to the Engineering Community of the you cater to help out intimate ventilators and there were lots of ideas coming along lots of enthusiasm in our business and our industry to help out where we could with the Formula One season on hold and with. su-nam if covert cases anticipated in the country, everybody wanted to help on the main contact came through University College London Engineering Department there on Tuesday late Tuesday coal from professor Tim Baker to Ben Hodgkinson who's head of mechanical engineering here. They've known each of the ages and ages. Ben's also visiting professor there. So he went down on Wednesday to a meeting there and what Ucla realized was that a help before needing a ventilator could be a CPAP. Device said continuous pulsing fairway. Pressure device that he's a relatively simple device the device that we reverse engineered was a simple mechanical device, the pump. So powered by the oxygen supply that same in most hospitals clifford it into the oxygen rail and then pipes to a mask that provides pressure to inflate your lungs and oxygenic. By Wednesday afternoon Benway's token to me quite excited saying look this is something that H-. HP. Indefinitely help with is the style of product that fits up also mechanical engineering capabilities. We send another three engineers down. Wednesday evening, we started researching at a Wednesday evening sat on the Sofa I. was looking at the service manual for the device that we were reverse engineering a little bit lecture evening at founded device on Ebay fifty pound by on Ebay Nuneaton, which are perations, director lives. So he picked up this morning and it was in our cat scanner by t break on Thursday. Being tested on a test rick that one of our awesome development engineers a pulled together with the test engineering department and being disassembled more inspection of the material, and then put back together and then back on the test rate to make sure that we could successfully take it apart and put it back together and it still worked and so a at in a reverse engineering process where we knew that for the medical approval for this device, we needed to show that we had exactly mimicked the device that was used ten fifteen years earlier. Under volume challenge. We realized you know this this was A. Covert patients I think the initial approaches, the hospital, and then sort of nasal oxygen. Little Clip plastic pipe with two prongs that goes who knows that stop step on and then CPAP is the next step which just helps inflate your lungs and the patient was the fifty percent. The patients would recover from C-PAP, which then hobbs the number of people that need to go on to mechanical ventilation. So his sort of intermediary medical support a week we quickly realized that it'd be thousands that would be needed. So, very early on, we were saying to the operations team. We're GONNA, need thousands of these things where I'm going to need to make them in days. So it's a thousand per day, get your head around that. So while we're engineering rural so setting up the operations infrastructure to make thousands of as a day and the government order ten thousand and by the fifteenth of April with the ten thousand flair generates from. Fifteenth of March Melbourne Grand Prix through tough fifteenth of April and May ten thousand. So it was incredible. It's a winter in the in the blink of an eye those four weeks on my friends and family with in lockdown hours, driving empty roads to the factory to try and help out and try and think head on what do we need next? What will we need next for development the system on a few trips down to central London to Ucla Hospital for doing well patient tests avoided the Paulie patient task clinical trials. But the wealth patient tests where the clinicians that were were supporting. This idea were actually the ones with the mask on. Just. Not fracking when some of the pressures were a little bit high we didn't pop anybody's lungs but I, think became close some of the tests but you know the whole experience of driving down to London with no traffic nobody Abou- going into a hospital during the testing then coming back into the factory and working out what next what needs to be done it was it was a hugely rewarding project. We sound even now a few months on very energized by it. Did you find the whole thing? Quite exciting? Yes. Exciting is is sort of the. That's what you get. Old Town isn't that the? Bigger, eighteen maybe. It certainly had all our attentional focus and the hours that that there were many projects being worked on within Formula One within that project pit lane umbrella and that ours everybody worked were immense. You know I spoke to lead some amazing work and. He sat you know this is the hardest working period of my life. Never pose many hours into another thing. Did that everybody you know when you're awake or even. So the office sleep you with thinking about the project that you're working on. What could you do to make sure that the engineering was robust because this this is a medical device where you want to help somebody and you don't want to go wrong. You don't want to hurt the person by the application of this medical device whereas motoracing racing. That's just a sport isn't that Is always another rights and there were many of the engineers that were saying you know that Crikey, these decisions are critical to life life is way way more important than Managing Indiana forgetting getting pole position race has the whole experience made you wonder what else f one skills and tech could be applied to in the outside world yeah. Absolutely and you know they're already examples of technology organizations within Formula One helping the medical sphere nothing McCarron applied technologies. Is the clear example but absolutely, the approach that the motors boy environment takes. Difficult technology development. This is time is what we're all about and the reliability requirements to win a championship against a tough opponent means that your quality standards need to be really really impressive your in factory prove out needs to be impressive. A lot of that is based using computer aided engineering the testing you can do very restricted, and therefore the instrumentation you put onto that test needs to be very robust and very, well thought-out so that definitely get conclusion. The number of times I've said to engineers I don't mind if the conclusion is the opposite of what you imagined. Yeah. So we've lost power rather than gain power. What I care about is getting a conclusion and swiftly because learning and that's progress and so that pace and thoroughness and. Determination to unlock the challenge that's in front of you. I think can be applied to the medical world and all other industries quite frankly I think every single industry wants to solve the problem quickly. Right Heart of Formula One thing on multiple I loved the way that you know every two weeks you guys are all throwing mud at each other in the pit lane near project pit lane everyone came together with a similar a similar goal. You said you've spoken to Bob Ballot Reynaud and everyone working for the greater good and it was an extraordinary. Can I say reversal? Some species as species that comes together and when there's a virus attacking our species, we do link calms and and work together and trying to the best for. Do the best for our planet and big political. And we pull knowledge together. Well done with that but let's talk racing now and your career you've been involved in the design and build a Formula One engines for thirty years now, and can we just start with how has the job changed in that time? I guess there's two aspects that the jobs changed. A lot more sophisticated. There's a lot more people involved in. A lot more computer aided engineering a great deal more thoroughness and I think bats because if technology progress engineering advancements but also the the value of the prize thirty years ago the value of winning a race and the brand coverage felt less on I. Guess from my perspective, you know joining us up as a graduate engineer that years ago with the drawing board to work on and very much during a broad range of engineering because there were many engineers in the sport and to concluding Mercedes benzes managing director. You definitely don't have a drawing board behind you task. You don't have to log onto Katiba but your trying to provide the environment the encouragement moment the motivation for people to achieve a great deal, and often it's about helping people if the motivation he's not going so well and and setting vision. So the industry's changed about. My role within it has. Changed a lot as well. Do you miss the design process? Guess what bit of it? I I love the challenge of a clean sheet of paper with limited restrictions and just thinking about the purity of of what you're trying to achieve, keeping it simple and getting to the race quickly, which you need to think about the likelihood of success of you'll solution the ease of manufacture, these of bill, etc that whole journey innovations the the key thing innovation is when you've added value for our industry, it's when it's at the race track in qualifying and therefore going into the right stand you've done you job. So I I enjoy that whole journey. Amal. Lucky Chap I. Get to. Help stiff the recruitment and development of the director of the department heads. Decision Making for where we invest stuff on the number of graduates apprentices that are coming in and saying that grow. So it's I'm as a huge amount reward saying individuals coming grow and deliver, and then you see them. You see them walking around the factory. Three. Inches told than they were before because they've got pride and that delivering an unsolved not. So that's great to observe and say when he started, could you have envisaged something as complex as an mg UK or an M. G.? H.. I guess. That sort of crept up on US soaps knows the answer thirty years ago the the area that I I worked on was the pneumatic system. So the valve return spring. That was the first key area that I worked on and I thought that was pretty complex making that reliable for the Ford Cosworth v eight engine the engine that that Schumacher took to the title ninety four. Yes it was the predecessor to that yet. So I worked on the five trying for that. Yeah it was. Fun Times that was created in ninety-three. Powering McLaren as well as Benetton Complex politics there. Was Fun. Meeting places. ASSHOLE. season. So we're. Enormously. Experienced a force. Always. From behind, Schumer right should deal with. The most. By that attempt to passenger back a little bit. Nice. Fight. This is. Driving identity. See. Taking place. Cost. Dame I stood Chinachem goes through into third position with the supreme pulsing maneuver, anti, center who has gone. To for now can. The Williams in front of. I was working on the McLaren project. So I came I came with the graduate scheme I was designing. Fatigue tests rakes for connecting rods on Sunday cold into the chief engineers office and asked to work as a integration engineer on McLaren project, which is exciting. It was is a privilege to work with that team. I was working for Chris Willoughby who's now the commission's Directorate Calls Today Guy and. He and I were working on that. So we were so to Kempton, the center wins versus the the Benetton Winston failing reasonably smokin saying the politics and. Getting bigger on the side of the McLaren car and The. End of that year trump testing silverstone supporting attract test wearing my red trousers during the day the only engineer looking after two cars running. Track tasked and then. Driving back into Northampton to James Mill road and then doing detailed design on the cylinder head for the ninety four. V eight engine you did everything you didn't tell you very well. But you did your best that lots of things that was quite fun. When were the engine rakes the most rewarding because that actually sounds all encompassing and quite fun because you're mixing a bit of racing and trackside adrenaline with the drawing board. and. Then I, suppose we then started getting higher revving engines didn't ruin. The late nineties was that an interesting challen? Yeah. It was. A say I worked on on the valve train and camshafts been at half the speed of the crankshaft, and so it was very exciting on the cylinder head rig saying the camshaft speed Goto ten, thousand RPM for the first time, which means crankshafts twenty thousand dollars pm. And the challenges is the vow train engineer was to always make sure that the top-end of the engine could run quicker than the bottom end of the engine. So. Little. Bits of pleasure an extra digit come onto a digital display but the significance of that because you know when we first introduced pneumatic vow system on the engine, we were pleased to be at the teen and a half thousand dollars PM. So to enjoy the journey up to twenty thousand PM Cranks Bait was caught fund but I think the the bit. That I've typically enjoyed is the is the pay hair Mercedes the journey of seeing Mercedes take a hundred percent ownership of the Formula One organization and we created a V eight engine, which wasn't really in in in two thousand six. But then with the recruitment of some more people than the strengthening of the organization became very strong in two, thousand and seven. PM GOING UP and up and up with an well over twenty thousand dollars pm as we were racing. Can we just break that down in Layman's terms? How do you increase the RPM because I assume that at the start of every season, you are at the limit of what you think is possible. So how then redefine that limit the regulations at that time were. Naturally aspirated engine. Fixed capacity, and so the way you create more power is by pumping more air through the engine. So more airflow through the engine, there was no restriction on the fuel flow rate. So the more ads that you can pump through the engine, the more fuel you can put in with a more created power you can get after the engine, the quicker the engine's running the. Shorter the Paradis for combustion and so having very fast good. Controlled combustion was was a challenge that is you spin the engine quicker The friction goes up and so the challenge for the top and bottom end engineer was not only to hang on everything that was spinning and. Piston going through this cylinder head, but was to reduce the friction as well or to manage the friction. So the challenge was, yes make it last at high pm but make sure that the frictional losses are not going up significantly and just stealing all the energy that's been created on the top of the. Piston. So there is this sort of I guess three way competition that performance guys trying to make sure that they could have good strong combustion in shorter periods of time as the. Engine, Rpm went up the bottom end engineer making show the could hang onto the Piston crankshaft designs require complex connected rope designs, heart keeping the Piston together, stopping the rings fluttering and so on. That was always a challenge and the top-end again, just old about hanging onto the bits, making sure that the cam profile walls followed by the vowels and you went just watching the valve into the Piston and so on. But Jews of energy weren't just being consumed because the friction cavalier's going up. If you could create more power but not squander all in friction than the crankshaft power went up and then the drivers a happy man life was that simple back then was quite a lot of trial and error because I'm assuming you're simulations simulators were not as good as they are now. Still. A little trial and error. But. was, there was more back then I think I think the industry's good apt embracing. The best simulation that down there. You need to understand that time is important. So there's no point having a pace of simulation. If running a combustion simulation takes three months to run. Way Way too long it needs to be days to run the simulation. So, accuracy, can you get out of the simulation in that sort of time period and a? Ball has got a high level vertical integration, some great supplies which point if you continue into shape, the manufacturers will manufacture it for you. quickly, the volumes small, you got the build capacity you've got the test rigs and you run it and this many many times when I've set, will this done the simulation? We think this is going to be a good direction but we'll let the engine tell us. Yeah and so it's a great engine taxed that gives you the real answer as to whether your. Initial theory and whether they assumptions that you've pointed to the simulation on whether the setup of the simulation is robust enough and whether that matches how exciting see put it all on the Dino and away you go get still do that today thing is cross. There's an element of. We all know what directionally correct. Sometimes, we're surprised by some of the little subtleties simulation house called veteran veteran better and things like the. Can't systems faster and will tolerate more complex shapes engineers naturally just working the three. D.. World of cat instead of the two D. Wilder drawing boards, and so the precision of the shape and the fit of everything is is is way more intricate and. Yes it's managing the loads. It's managing the mass of the that the total product but yes, you got to do a test on the diner. Have you had some quite spectacular blowups on the diner? Most of the test cells have got dents in the walls from bits of engine coming out and as the test track as well in the World Cup. They are bitter tarmac missing as well from. From from engines that have worked on. Amazing final thoughts about your time Cosworth that victory you had with Stuart Nobel Green in one thousand, nine Johnny Herbert. How close was that engine to what was going on illness? For example because I'm you've studied what Elmore were doing since you've been at the company were you all balking of the same tree or were you all doing things quite differently in the late ninety s I think the majority of the foot always going from with to more. including the found the original founders I would say that it will always Mercedes funding was helping promote direction of flow. But you know the fundamental that the the more engine was was chasing was. A very neat package. So those engines were incredibly lights incredibly. Enjoyable Titanium is that right? Yeah. and Aluminium Beryllium Pistons and so on. Elmore you know with Mario's passion for technology development and pull Morgan's -joy of manufacturing infrastructure, and the you know Roger Penske and Mercedes investment support to hugely capable. An adventurous company and the designed. At, powerful and very compact engine exceptionally lightweight, and that was that was been enjoyed by the Marion's of by the. News of this world in terms of integrating them into a race car, we observe the common. So at Cosworth. In Cosworth, we've observes the commentary and there was a bit of an organization change. Their Nikkei's was the chief engineer on that. Now engine for Stewart and we realize we're with thirty kilos overweight an nick gotta a chunk of aluminium machine to size that was the two kilos with a handle on it. He brought that into the engineering efficiencies guys. We need to take this out of our engine because that's how much overweight we are owned. By the way we can't lose any power and we must finish the race that was quite an exciting time. Investment was larger at calls with to go along with that. So we've gone from sort of the H- HB. ERA into. This CK era, I was the prefix for that engine. I was looking after the top end of the engine wake changed the valve train from tap it buckets to finger followers, which took a lot of weight out report fiber Cam, covers on, and we just we just all work really hard to take the frictional push if combustion performance up and. We'd all got thirty kilo chunk of aluminium in the back of our heads in a nick was a great motivator. Nikki's is an awesome technical engineer and motivator of a team of people ending credibly hardworking engineer. So he that project and delivered that how close did you get to pulling out the thirty kilos? You need it just out of interest smash there. Were over the phone with the remember the numbers, but it was an incredibly light engine. Byron Payton was working on the bottom end of the engine and changed the whole architecture at the bottom of the engines take way out the crank case and so on. I was working on the head with group of people and the five train actuation. Everybody's excited because it was new and we were being challenged but we've got the freedom to do new things and all of it was exceptionally late and not well proven now not to the. Do today so it was. Yeah. REFU- scary moments not season. It was a lot of fun look. We'll be back with Andy after this short message whoop is the twenty, four, seven, all encompassing health and fitness tracker that helps you monitor critical daily metrics, light your heart rate, sleep, recovery, and strain. To help you get your workout exertion goals and optimize your performance. We've his asleep piece of equipment that you just slide onto your wrist connected to an APP on your phone and trust it to analyze your activity levels as you tackle the day ahead. Each morning whoop gives you a recovery school which you can access fire checking. APP It takes data such as your heart rate variability resting heart rate, sleep tracking, and Calorie Burn, and it customizes its recommendations for exercise and rest for the day ahead, that are personal to you helping you to be more in tune with your body one day at a time if you've been trying a new fitness regime for some time and of hit a plateau. Utilizing whoops inbuilt strain coach can help pinpoint those days where you might be able to push yourself a little harder while still ensuring your recovery scores in a healthy range right now, woop is offering fifty percent off with the code grid at checkout. Go Whoop W. H. O. O. P., DOT COM and enter grid at checkout to save fifteen percent sleep better recover faster and train smarter optimize your performance with whoop today. Right let's go back to Andy. Which of the engines you've worked on in your career a you most proud of CK's one of them for that year. But I think the journey into twenty fourteen has to bid the power unit. I'm most proud of to change the. Terminology that was probably the biggest overall challenge. None of his new power unit was going to look like as we set off, can we talk about that journey? Then with that engine I mean what is the jobless? When confronted by completely new set of regulations we were involved right from the early regulation setting the FAA Jill Simone Envir- artists to to Paris to discuss. The FAA for a couple of years that this idea that we should go to an energy based formula. So instead of old running our engines quickly and chasing after the engine and having high revving engines, we should have to charge direct injected engines that they've got a hybrid electric propulsion element to them as well. But the fundamental gills presented was that be a fixed quantity of fuel for the race and the beer fixed flow rate that you could pump the fuel into the engine, and so it was all about conversion efficiency, a hugely different challenge for you. Yes. But we always worked on efficiency within the constraints that we'd had before. Yeah. Fuel flow right wasn't constraint. PM was a the thing that you tried to work on them when the PM was cat then he was about combustion efficiency and friction reduction all of which aw. Agency based on the curse journey had been very much an efficiency based challenge to come up with something that would deliver that you know point three, point four, a second, a lap advantage, and so the FAA was saying, right? You can have hundred kilos for the rice, hundred kilograms and our these everybody. Happy with that. Okay, do we need any more regulations was the next question? All the engineers and the room said, no, that's fine. We don't need any more regulations. Let's just go have lots of fun but then from a financial perspective and from a trying to stop being fooled working on stuff that doesn't actually make much of a difference to efficiency constraints were were put on you know. So the number of cylinders, Van Angle of the engine, even the ball size and so on. We had a sequence of meetings to discuss dimensional constraints and system constraints and throughout that head of thermodynamics got called Nigel McKinley. WHO's incredible engineer? He was basically listing the technologies that were good for efficient say and so I was pushing to sell these technologies to have some freedom. These other ones maybe we can cross these off and all the manufacturers were doing that all the ones that did actually end to end others that with they're considering whether that that intro not. Sort of eight manufactures and the I think. That's a really important point I was. I was just GonNa say it wasn't Mercedes designing. These rules was at coming up with these rules. You're all in the room together with Ferrari. Yeah For Ari Reynaud Volkswagen. Scape Mario was they're considering that culture with wherein the room so many many organizations with the Putting in. The end of the day was FAA finally concluding on what should be done and how far in advance of fourteen o we hear what year you talking about the the initial such regulations was gonna be fatigued, thousand and thirteen. So we set off with it being a one point six liter inline four engine with the target of thirteen a those regulations were two thousand and eleven, but they came out so he could start working but the discussions, a regulation discussion started back in two, thousand and ten. For me one of the things you need to help an engineering group you need to give them a set of boundary conditions to work within the FAA do that beautifully forest. But when the F. I haven't yet published is useful to come up with what you assume or you think the FAA will will come up with. So we released here our best guess assumption on what the regulations would be. We set at team off pulling together a single cylinder reset changing. Based on that assumption. That was you know I was getting in the taxi going to the airport from from the FAA matings be pending that and working out what I thought would be the regulations and we you know it was a small team not much investment to single cylinder going which in courage his people to stop turning the simulations to that Mu heavy boosted high pressure though off pm concept of this engine and direct injection and the in that poll caracteristics and and so on and then stops people designing specific bits and manufacturing those bits and building those bets and testing it and learning and just completing that. That learning loop. Gaps that going and the get that gun on the project. The sooner that the world goes from theory into hard experimental data were you immediately convinced that this was the right way for former one to go given the increased costs that we're going to be involved given the lack of noise. was there ever discussion just to continue with V eight but make it more of a hybrid with more influence from curves and things like that that there were discussions of different concepts, different approaches, the the desire of the F. I n.. The desire of the manufacturers is to try and align the mission of the Formula One power train engine et with active the road cop how train engineer and with the Road Car world heavily focused on grams of co two. Hundred kilometers or whatever the country measure is but. Vehicle efficiency then. Coming up with a power train set of regulations that focus on conversion efficiency all the time that we're using liquid hydrocarbon based fuels the more you can do to get Betcha conversion efficiency from that chemical energy and propulsion energy. The less you need to put in your tankage week, which is just a good thing, and so the FAA were very keen to get all the Formula One power unit manufacturers focus that way, and so were the manufacturers I think things like noise. We overlook that we could have done more to focus on that. But if we look at the no, I think he was step change that was the problem. Is the step change in the fact that GP to it's still got these. Ridiculously. Noisy Cars in two, thousand, fourteen. You know the sounded like a back anals rattling around in a biscuit tin. Going around the track. This many engineers worked in Formula One in the Va and the tenure of got damaged hearing. On the weren't many children sitting in the grandstands in that era either those you know just all loaded drum cattles watching watching the race I. Think I think the sports considerably more environmentally friendly and it's more of a family spoke to go and watch now which I think. Is a good thing and fundamentally to have for Reynaud Honda. Mercedes old racing with devices that convert approximately half chemical energy into useful proportion energy is a great achievement can absolutely see that but was it immediately obvious to you that the likes of Cosworth were no longer in the game it was just too big too expensive. Now, Cosworth were very keen on the technology. In all those meetings because with were pro technology pro openness they saw that as an opportunity for them to spot the silver bullet and chase that and do well compared with manufacturers that would chase all the obvious things. But I get a little bit of performance from each of those obvious things I traveled with Tim Route says too many of the meetings in Paris. Eurostar from some pancras Inter God and all. So many times. You know he book two tickets for one of the meetings and then the next meeting, our books, the tickets, and we'd sit there and we'd chat about life the universe and and the regulations, and he was pro the technology to give culture with the opportunity to differentiate I always used to seeing as a sponsor in the background. Yeah. That was a sponsor that wanted to do it There were rumors that Volkswagen Audi would would be that organization with a big pot of cash that would. Reinvigorate. Cosworth, didn't happen which is a which is a great shine. A great company. Imagine what we're all getting on the plane to Melbourne twenty fourteen how much anxiety was there in new in your company about what was about to happen. Huge been an incredible journey in the in the summit. Beforehand we We realized that we would know we're struggling to do a single transient Latte struggling to pass off engines and we'd got eight cars waiting for this power unit. We we've got four teams and the whole company agreed to more hours. Law Supplies we're doing more we stopped everything that we clash this unnecessary. We just focused on mobile twenty four lanes, and so the whole business have this sort of moping twenty fourteen is it. That's what we've got to chase I. Guess Track Testing was properly scary going to harass for testing that was. Scarier journey the unknown as to whether any of the cars are going to come out the garrick. By the time we're done Herath and to lots of Bahrain testing we've got more confidence, but nevertheless getting on the flight to Australia was a nerve wracking moment which struggled to pass off all the engines. We didn't have the amount of hardware and in Melbourne that we'd we'd really like to have been in this competition. It's it's about being the least bat. You, look at your. You look at all your issues, all your woes, and it's about hoping that you've got the car that gets over the Line I. You know even if the drive is going to push the thing at times and so it's relative and if that point we know that we were going to win the first six races. All of us are the same no way we're GONNA finish the first crisis out via that'd be an a huge achievement. Were you surprised by your dominant? Yeah absolutely. Absolutely. We were hearing rumors. Reynaud having good combustion efficiency Ferrari doing well, you know the first day of Testing Herath will though we rolled out the garbage first Ferrari were they were doing pitstop Polo s we didn't have a calibration robust enough to do it pitstop pull away you know we. To roll, Jin Julia, to the Gary each time whereas they were doing lots of laps that powertrain sounded very sweetly calibrated. So yeah, it was a bit never I can. We haven't go a lot 'cause running on the first day we call wiring, loom us and and so on, and you don't away you are on performance. going. Attract clog harass you got no idea toll on on performance Israeli anyway went Bahrain in the second test in Bahrain where we could say nine hundred minute everybody must be trying by now and we we took a few performance. Thanks to Bahrain which gave is a good step forward and we could see the and industry speed looking reasonable allow day of the Bahrain test to we we blew opole engines. Just, before lunch another one just after lunch. At the end of the day so we were. We've got a few cat wants to look cap, and that's what we focus on. You focus on your issues. You Focus on challenges that you've you focus on the decisions that you wish taken differently earlier in the year you never look at your success day. Strange well, what do you remember more the countless wins I actually add it up and the OPT to an including the British Grand Prix you guys have one, ninety, three of the one hundred and twenty-five hybrid races we've had since the start of twenty forty. So. Is it the fear of failure rather than the lure of success that drives you guys on? As a species chief a great deal. Over the thousands of years, the human races achieved a great deal and that's not through having parties to celebrate the successes through spotting the opportunity spotting the things that would be useful being creative and being tenacious and you. Dwell. On the things that aren't yet working, you focus on getting better the misfire Lewis in Melbourne lack to the grid a rubber tube had split. So the drop cheap that goes over the spark plug in the coal drops into. That split you gonNa tell me that costs about fifty or something. To think how much the failure cost you know. Misfire, and having to make the call. Sweeter retired retire we need to save the edge. Got No idea how engine no run on five cylinders he may go points but. The time you just have to make the call no bringing men sorry DNA. Championship favorites is thicker Roessberg who's going to confirm that favoritism. Count Sunday. Prayed for. One Hundred Bertha. Powered victory in the former world championship Roessberg takes the season. By Long. Long Way I was super lucky I went onto the to collect the constructors. The van in charge of the power. Unit. Bill. Go into this new era of you engines hybrid engines. And full. Is Up to receive the constructor's traffic. I. But if you look at my face, I'm miserable. All concern covers the DNA of. Well one was I was thinking don't fall off quite high and the long way down. That'd be really embarrassing that the. In misery my face was Lewis DNA. Ship onto what's going on that we've got problem how we're going to fix that. She don't look the successor Ramji think about the issues that need to be worked on and then Canada two issues. First Time is is GT cycled really been stretched failure of a small component in the module. Big. You know that rebel when ranks and the most powerful beck was having breakfast on the Monday morning where my my young sons that's why did you read Baldwin? What's fascinating is hearing you remembering this encyclopedic knowledge of the failures are almost get the feeling you remember all of them over the last not there have been many listened to that podcast. When you compare the Power Unit Two, thousand and twenty, two that one in twenty fourteen where have been the biggest little bit everywhere. Forty four percent them efficiencies then now were racing over fifty, the reliability come up with junk. Masses probably. Probably bit heavier. The NYSC slimline exhaust twenty four ten went great power. But we're good for packaging and mass. But low babe everything just. The base fuels got better the combustion efficiencies way way better friction losses is down heat rejection managed bats a to make sure that more of the energy goes to the. Toubon will electric machines war away more efficient, inverted, more efficient, factory, more efficient, and understanding an order of magnitude better, and the way the energy is deployed. So managing, you know maximum power the soon as the drivers got enough grip at the rear of the car and then blending the off towards the. End of the strike to look after energy around the lap. So that whole control of energy recovery, energy deployment, failure analysis, manufacturing expertise, and things like balancing the turbine. We reading an easy solution in terms of that By Georgia we went for Walnut we thought for my vehicle package perspective would give an advantage, but that turbochargers not easy to put together and to balance and so all a hit rate on manufacturing and assembly all the components is an order of magnitude better. Skill SACRI- course every single to pop in the businesses called an order of magnitude better then know. Championship. Winning two thousand fourteen engine next to the championship winning two thousand and nineteen engine. You think, Crikey us that's a true Mundus change. You know it's. stone-age guideline age you know there's a dramatic shift just looking at it from the outside. Let alone look inside the guts of the thing. In terms of shake grunt. How much have you found in that Mukarram a lot number Can you give us? You're not going to give it to you. Can you give us a percentage increase? I. Think. It'd be. Forty four percent officiency up to fifty percents I'm the fishing say in terms of continuous zero energy change in the battery condition that's over thirty kilowatts. And while we're talking grunt, can you just explain talks about party mode you call it strap to I think the rest of the wheel, call it party mode. What does that actually just the mode more where we're delivering the most power to the crankshaft so everything is working not for looking after storing energy. So the ignition of the engine is running at the point where combustion is about to be unstable. The MGK's delivering the full hundred, twenty kilowatts. The pressure in the exhaust is as low as possible. So the engines delivering as much as possible and so the battery state of charge is dropping. Its dropping at an alarming right and so is the point way way giving you everything an. The is the engine last longer and longer in that in that mode is not a race mode. It's up his qualifying modus and overtake or defend mode. You're always gonNA use it for one or two laps in key three. You're going to use. Star. For. You don't need to use it the rest of. Your leaving HP pay at the end of the year. How difficult decision was a big one? Mercedes is a company that I'm hugely to have worked for the people have incredible grip of people and I'll miss them but it's time for changes Sixteen years feels like a long period of time doing largely the the same thing. I like that you know at the stop mentioned about enjoy the clean sheet of paper challenge of design I think my personality likes the threat of being dropped into something that's challenging and and scary. Did. Project PIT. Lane influence your decision about your own future help confirm the my decision was the correct one. So I one hundred monitors in in January and project pit lane. Popped up in March and that journey. Project PIT lane was a Going up ago, something different that lit the bonfire in my belly in my head thinking every second of the day about c-pap in about anything else that project Lang was working on and that's the challenge going forward. I do class myself as I've been one of the best jobs on the planet at the moment. A lot of my friends especially on mom thinks I'm as mad as a box folks to. MANETTI in everybody's saying, well, what you're going to do next what you're GONNA do next One, hundred percents and yet but thankfully, it will. It will give me a big challenge. Hopefully, I can help companies and organizations and ultimately people. You really haven't made up your mind. You don't believe. What. Sorry to be everybody. But. You know how the silly season usually focuses on drivers but you're such an influence you've had such an influence on the success of HP and the whole Mercedes grown preteen. That way you're going is almost as juicy as you know is Lewis Hamilton going to re-sign for goodness sake I mean any phone calls from Italy from France from Japan from. And in Warwickshire in the UK. What's You're looking at me down to help Tom what would you think I should do? I don't know I I really whatever interest you. Nothing that's the key thing. Would you. Miss Formula One if you didn't stay them and what would you miss about? From the age of five mochis bullets been, you know huge huge part in my life. So multiple will always be a part of my life but what part? That's the thing too so town I guess. Twelve months, netease period, and you notice in in January, which was contractual timing rather than anything else I always keen token to. Talk into Marcus and still got king the transition vh be pay was managed for the best interests of hatred. As rekeying how took over from the beginning of July, Marcus and owner asked me to stay until the second unit was was installed to try and how we've takes us through to September. I got September type in November and December two to make a decision on. A. Coal. You were talking about motor racing being motorsports being part of your life. Since the age of five I can't really remember what I was into the age of five but you clearly can what are your earliest memories I guess my dad building racing cars and the guarantee guy. Now, my mom being front to death is willing hacksaw going. Sprints and hill climbing with my data a very modest level meeting. Amazing people. And I. Remember. You know polishing the car young kids around racing causes is not the safest. Thing, I made racing cars, and so we you know we were given the job of Polish in the car I. Saw I remember vividly the ten of green turtle wax Polish and the polishing cloth. You know Polish the car and then you get job of the talk pressures and then you. You get the times and And just the whole environment really, and that's what you do it weekends scratch. You head about what you're GONNA do ahead of the next an you tried to get better and it's about personal bests. I think that was the that was the key thing you know what you'll be doing against your pizza and the Camaraderie as well. You know something goes wrong. Everybody's in there to help. So back, then the world's Eurostar, you could have gone down the chassis side. You chose the engine such power unit side. Why did you choose that site because you even think were part of the rain on scholarship back in your unique days so you've obviously flirted with that side business but chose the. My my father spotted the rain out scholarships game and I did it as a year from university met some great people at Raynaud's and that we're on the scholarships game back to university. So to degree out. Applied for Gelson, you know I applied for lots of conventional engineering jobs until going to rain on I didn't dream. The was an engineering job for me and my just bowl. and. I got I guess the short list for meat cheese from WIZAR-. Six thousand pounds a year offer from Adrian Reynard, to go back to his scholarships game or a thirteen thousand pounds a year graduate placement. Cosworth was those numbers the difference in those two numbers that and the fact that. Culture with was more of an established engineering organization, the GOP something called graduates gaming the. EMP D. S. accreditation on Lago there for three or four years and become a professional engineer, and then may be going to racing cars as I joined. Cosworth I was not class myself as knowing a thing engine. Engines what you you do a little bit were calm but largely by the engine. Create, the car. So what promised myself that I'm I'll get out of engines at some point going into the chassis side. Exclusive. I'll go to more topics. Can I ask you to do the impossible because you have worked with the greatest drivers of the ordinary you? We talked about center we've mentioned Schumacher you're obviously working with Lewis Hamilton now in your McLaren Mercedes days oversee we had Mika Hakkinen their common threads between that list of people have just mentioned. WHO's the Bathurst is the best to. Ask Standing Natural talent, and and inquisitive curiosity and tenacity you push for progress you will push for people to his viewpoint. In a nice way and as an individual, he's not competitive to the point of being Nasty Amirah. Some individuals on a push competitiveness to the point where bubbles I it's just not being sporting. How big a part has he played in the team six Lewis is a true sportsman and motivator of the team. An outstanding talent is exemplary performance makes everybody look up and go and. I need to be at that level I need to be operating my game level. But he's little comments. You know he's comments in debriefs couple of years ago in one of the debris after the race I was in the factory here. And he says, I I were a little bit down down on power. Guys was the GPS I. Then, he says, they are. Now you're listening, we need more power those little messages. Awesome of pulling the team together and spokesman ship. He doesn't WanNa get away with things he wants to win Farren Square he just wants to sports failed to be level and to be fact on I think that's what he wants in Formula One downside of Formula One on At My. Louis tremendous is as an individual under a racing driver. That's fascinating. Final topic is on the subject of diversity. There's a welcome Dr Towards Diversity in society and Formula One within your organization, and I just would love to get your thoughts on how we get more minorities interested and involved in engineering. Is a really important topic and I think we need to get into schools we need to get into homes we need to help people realize unfortunate that I grew up with motors for didn't to posh schools went to the local comprehensive school and I never dreamed there was a career in in Motorsport I. I didn't really realize. So how do we? How do we get all those kids at school? How do we get old eleven year old kids on their parents to realize that there are careers and? And, we need to go to schools that are in a city schools. The schools that feeding into the posh independent schools and into the Russell great universities. Those organizations have great careers offices in place already the funded I think we need to get into the schools that don't have the careers offices we need to get into the areas of the country where they just don't realize what the opportunities are. I don't think that sort of you know from year seven onwards, those eleven year olds. How can we help them through that year seven, eight, nine education to the point that when they pick the GPS as they do pick things that provide them the opportunity and they don't just say mathematics and physics as something boring the all the geeks do they actually say as As the opportunity to provide an interesting career, an interesting five, hundred career engineers provide the tools for the world, the infrastructure for the world and I think he's a great profession on I think it would be awesome if Formula One can go in and touch. With our school is unenthused those schoolteachers that than enthused those children and we all put effort and energy into go to talk to them and showcasing and giving them work experience and so on. So it requires people like yourself going into these schools and actually lecturing telling people about the opportunities that were. Put across the right way isn't it? With all these messages, you know how you how'd you land in such a way that it's the explanation? Puts at the right level in the right sort of context and Formula One can do because. You know as soon as you say, it's Mercedes. Formula One. Formula One. Project PIT lane type project, it will instantly capture the attention of the kids, and then if they open in sentences are interesting and then it's you could do this but you do need these. You need to get to know the SORTA techniques and these topics, and then the world can open up in these sort of environments. It's not just motor sport. You know the aerospace industry and you know if you if you look at what's going on an electric cost multi planetary species challenge the SPACEX the Tesla. All these type of industries, and there are companies doing that sort of technology in this country this countless opportunities but people don't realize and people don't realize and they they tend to have a negative feeling on their own confidence and their own opportunities so. Boston we should get in there. We should do that sort of stuff and I thank you so much what a great I really appreciate your time. I. Hope You enjoy that conversation as much as I did, and he's an inspiration, and as is the case with so many great leaders. He's brilliant at breaking down even the most complicated issues into manageable bite size chunks, and in this way he reminds me of Mercedes technical director on the chassis side James Alisson. When you hear the way Andy speaks it's little wonder they've been so successful, we can only try and guess what he'll do. Next I think it's fair to assume the Andes had offers from every F one engine manufacturer. He's too good not to, but does even want to stay Formula One time will tell but whatever he chooses to do I hope he continues to share his passion for engineering with the younger generations and inspires boys and girls from all backgrounds to become engineers that's not only what Formula One needs. It's what the world needs look at project pit lane. Andy. Many. Thanks for your time. It was great to chat and thanks to to Mercedes for the help with setting it up. That's almost eight for this week. But before I go, let's have our weekly rummage through the virtual mailbag and I love what you had to say about last week show with Johnny dumfries you enjoy the occasional throwback to the eighties don't you? Jamie Willis said this. Thanks for another brilliant interview. I was lucky enough to be at brands and eighty seven for the thousand kilometer race. You discussed what to drive dumfries was seriously quick interesting that cheever said he made a mistake not taking a Ferrari test role and dumfries said his mistake was accepting one well, Jamie. Yes. That's a really good point and I think you've just summed up for a little one in a nutshell timing is everything. We also had this message from F, one travel guru Lyndon Swinestein High Linden. The first time I met Johnny dumfries. She says, I thought he was the truckee at Dave price racing his language was horrifying and he had a broad south London accent I was shocked to be told he was an old. Yes. London Johnny certainly went a long way to leaving his socratic roots behind him in the early days he didn't use them to get. Ahead quite the opposite in fact, as his days as a painter and decorator will attest, and finally let's hear this from Steve, who says Tom Johnny dumfries best guess. Yet he's James Hunt esque and reminded me of why I started racing all of those years ago Great Guy Zero Bullshit very funny and I miss that era of racing try and do Johnny Herbert. Steve hadn't thought of Johnny Dumfries Says James Han task. But there are similarities you're right and by the way of already spoken Johnny Herbert have a look through the back catalogue because I think you're going to enjoy that one. Twelve oaks, that's it for this week. But please get your messages coming because I read each and every one of them, and as ever I'm at Tom Clarkson one on twitter, you can use the Hashtag f one the on the grid. Thanks for listening. We're looking forward to having you back next week for another conversation with another big formula. One. Guess. The only greatest produced by F one in association with audio boom until next time. Keep it flat out.

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Hour 2  Clarence Hill (07-08-20)

The Dan Patrick Show

46:16 min | 3 months ago

Hour 2 Clarence Hill (07-08-20)

"Iheartradio is your source for the best most unique golf podcast around full of insight and great conversations like playing around with me, page Rene. Hank Haney podcast the shack show with me. Geoff Shackelford get a grip with Maxima and shame in farm next summer, and I'm Shane Bake and also the host of the clubhouse was Shane Bake, and you can check out all these amazing podcast on the iheartradio APP apple podcast wherever you listen to your favorite shows. You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox sports radio. Yes, indeed I'm Chris. He's Jason We call him j Mac and we are filling in for day right here on the Dan Patrick Show. And Jay Mac let's move on to the NBA. We're all obviously excited about the restart I think is going to be tremendous. Obviously, we're hoping and praying that they can get through this thing 'cause they face some real obstacles nascent over. Yeah, he hasn't been shy and I and I. Respect Adam for that the commissioner. He hasn't been shine address now credit Chris. Can I jump in with some rule? You just said a phrase that I haven't heard a lot of like. We all need the NBA Chris like when you disconnect from social media, and you go out in public and talk to other dad's other young guys. The number one thing I hear man. We need sports back. I mean Chris. It's getting really bleak. Listen I get. It's been four months in quarantine, but Chris I mean at the end of the day. It's not good for everybody's mental health. If all they do is, watch the news and listen to that idiot leader. We've got and then go on Social Media Chris. We need basketball badly. I'm rooting for this bubble. Maybe maybe more than any team I've ever rooted for before in Sports. History I'm not kidding, and that includes my jets in a couple of AFC, title games with Mark Sanchez but I digress I'm rooting desperate because I want do to be healthy desperate. I think this is actually a good time I look if if for some reason I want sports. Obviously, that's what I do for a living I love sports sports has been a huge part of my entire life right. I'm excited about the NBA The major league baseball, and of course the NFL startups. Okay, so I'm height, and I hope that these guys get through it and we have a great restart are a great season. But I'm not desperate if they don't have sports, this is the time for people to look within and find other hobbies do other things you know. Look at yourself. Look in the mirror. There's other stuff too I agree with that, but. The day. We? We grew up watching sports. We grew up at the end of the day. You played sports all day outside with your buddies. You know you hung out with your parents. You had dinner and then maybe a flip on a game for a little bit before going to bed. I. Don't know about you. I'm not watching any TV lately. I mean maybe like you know. What was it Britain braveheart gladiator was on, and I start showing my little kids gladiator in my wife's like we should, we should do this. And I'm like there's no sports I can't turn it on and say let's watch Lebron, dominate against some over overmatched opponent like sports is a unifier like Chris. We get together and watch a game. And I, it's just it's depressing at the end of the day. I listen I like you. A getting religious read books. You know talk with my family e books. There's a lot of stuff you could do. But Chris has been four months can I get a basketball game from our back just like you I want it back you speaking of that. Lebron James just posted a recently. Opposed on instagram and it's. It is interesting to see these guys working out. With mass going. You know. Have you run with a mask or done any workout with a mask not? I've I've worked out and stuff, but it's not. It's not that bad. Really. Yeah, I've run. It feels like it would be very uncomfortable, but I guess I don't know. To know the breathing obviously can be a little labor, but I run like I try to run almost four miles like every other day and done with a mass a couple times of done it with the mask, and it's not noticeably different on your time. At least necessary I mean you're not. You're again. I wouldn't say when I'm out. I'm going to be a real I've my mask whenever I leave the House I. Bring a mass, and when I go into stores or whatever I have mask or yes, but when I'm outside, if my family and I are myself going for a walk or I'm sitting out at an outdoor restaurant with a couple of people I'm not wearing a minute. That's understandable and I'm with you on that. The CDC has really screwed up this whole mask narrative member at the beginning of like people don't need mass. Everybody we're mass. They'd really bungled this, but you're right when you're outside running. You probably don't need one. I will just say you know when you're running your breathing heavier in the droplets come out of your mouth, maybe a little further because of heavy breathing running. And if you run by an old person, you don't want to infect them. so let me ask you this and I don't think this is on the table, but do you think they should play with masks? I've been invited to play. Pick up basketball in my first question, was you guys were mass like our good? My Wife. My wife basically put the Kibosh. Poll up whole. You not play basketball with a bunch of guys who haven't been tested. Are they doing temperature checks and like myself? Yeah, I got tested. I have not. Got Tested, and I didn't have thankfully because it knows one. No, it was a blood test. Okay, Prick me and got it the next day and. Good so, but let let's Lebron posted a picture of him at the Lakers facility working out. He's just kinda standing. There looks like near Midcourt. But he's got a mask on, and he's ready in the caption. And he tweeted out or put out on Instagram is war ready? Here's what I want to get to the HASHTAG. No revenge season continues soon now. Let me start this and I know you're gonNA. Weigh in. I as you know I. Think you know I like Lebron a lot. Big Fan of his game obviously what he does off the court. It'd be great if you WANNA fourth ring. I picked the clippers because I do it objectively I don't i. don't I always what I believe over my with my hand over my heart, I think the clippers are the better team. We can get into that later, but there's one thing I don't agree. I don't think Lebron needed to put out this Hashtag. Revenge season. Continue soon and here's why because when Lebron has done that in the past. It's backfired. Right I can name two times off the top of my head last year, when he came back from the groin injury, and he said you know playoff mode activating right right, and then they lose to Memphis way. He was good. He was good. He was five, but but they couldn't even beat these weeks. Sisters Lonzo Ball and. But I'm just saying like you still usually by himself. He can be teams like Atlanta and stuff like that, so that backfired on him. They didn't even make the playoffs. And then, of course when I went to Miami, not one not two, not three, four, five, six, nine seven. And, of course they get to in four years, so that backfired on him so. I just think Lebron's just go out there and play. And do it on the court without all the hashtags and the Braggadocio. About that I don't mind that Chris. I kind of like it you know he's. He's firing back at the whole washed king narrative. This is his way of talking to the media without talking to the media, right? This is him saying Oh y'all said I was washed last year when I was thirty four. We missed the playoffs after I had gone to eighth straight finals. You, you thought I was washed because remember he was doing. Washed King that kid from Akron or whatever whatever the hashtags were, and now he's own revenge mode Chris I love this even when he lost. On opening night to the clippers, and then on Christmas Day to the clippers, a lot of people say oh, Lebron kicked out, quiets over. He's not getting any more rings, and then that Huge Win March Chris Oh that that was one of the best games of the NBA season where. season. When does it override the two losses? I mean you saw I think it does yeah. I think what happened late matters. What happened the especially when one guys that helped you win? Who is six threes scored twenty four point. Yes, that Avery Bradley won't even beater, land. Don't be too I'm just wondering. Can I ask you is Lou Williams going to the bubble? There is still chatter since you. You mentioned it I. Think like two weeks ago. I have been digging around in La and it. Lou Williams not a lock to go to the bubble from whatever. Well look like you said. We don't know and Lou would be loss. There's no doubt about it. He is big for them in the clutch. He's efficient for them in the clutch. Here's the thing with Lou though. the Lakers soil hunted. Lebron a punted way they hunted for Liu and we were wondering what what is doc, river giddy out. You've got enough talent. Okay, that's good as Louis. They have enough talent where he doesn't have to be there. At the end of the true, but Chris and this is where I wonder about chemistry. That's the big word for the clippers. Okay? Lou Williams has been a model citizen on that team. He was there several years. Years now last year when they took the warriors and push them in one a couple of games, a veteran, a you tell them you're gonNA. Push him aside in crunch, time and play I dunno Marcus Morris or whatever Moore's twin. They have or Reggie Jackson over the guy who's been there Lou. Williams is really the veteran voice in that locker room. Nobody listening to Paul, George He hasn't won a playoff game rounded six years. been there for five minutes Lou, Williams, he's like were their leaders in the locker room I'm not automatically taken him out and crunch time, but if it becomes a problem and they're hunting him and he's not. He's getting abused. Yeah, I'm taking him I'm so. This is about winning baby. And I would think Lou wants to win as much as anybody else because I still got Leonard. Who is good in the clutch? I still Paul George who was pretty good in the clutch. I got Pat Beverley who we know is the defender. I got mantras. They got enough guys. Landry Shamet who can hit threes Nah I mean. All please. They got more depth than the Lakers. And none of those guys are guard, Lebron. Across I kill Rain Chris. I can't wait. Garden the Brandon the clutch. You're going to do the same thing they did last time. Matchup punt the weakness whether it's shamet whether it's Lou. They're going to be attacking one of the no, but my point. Is there going? Look I think is going to be a wonderful series and I definitely think it's going to be clippers and Lakers. I think the Lakers have a shot have. They have they're not the favorite. Most people were picking. Wait a wait according to Vegas the guys who've set mind. Our the Lakers are the favorites over the clippers I'm tied to make some shots. You're not worried about Vegas. Aw, no, Vegas. Vegas Vegas Magus Magus I mean seriously come riddle. No I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT VEGAS I'm worried about what my eyes see. I am I. See that the Clippers are better. Here's the thing Jay Mak. You've got an answer me this. There's two reasons. I picked the clippers over the Lakers. There's two DS. Depth. And Dog Oh. The dog thing is so silly. Opera war depth especially with Avery Bradley, leading leaving, and they have more dog especially with Avery Bradley leaving. He was one of the Lakers. Dogs I need that dog and the key factor for the Lakers jared. Dudley alluded to it. He said look. Obviously he didn't say this, but clearly the bronze, their best player in their most important player, but we know Lebron's going to deliver right. We know what he's going to give us. Anthony Davis in fourth quarters. J Mac. Anthony Davis is will be critical against the clippers. The clippers have guys that can match up against Lebron Kuwa- Leonard Paul George Marcus Morris, not shutting down, but keep it, so he won't just dominate and abuse him and totally take over the the series. But. They don't have a guy that will match up with Anthony. Davis and so in the fourth quarters Lebron play well, but he's not gonNA just own it. Anthony Davis is the guy that has to take over a here's the problem Jay Mac while he's averaged twenty six points against the clippers this season three games. He's scored eight points total. In the three fourth quarters, twenty one total minutes in the fourth quarter eight points. I need more from a D. and you do, too. If you think the Lakers are GonNa win it. You feel on that just to yes. I'll get to that in a SEC, but this whole narrative that like Lebron and the Clippers Lebron has dominated the clippers this year. Okay, in three match one and two years his lines, twenty-eight points nine assists. On Christmas Day, twenty, three, ten, and nine, okay in on opening night, ten nine, or are not great number for thirty five year old on near triple double, come on. That was even his league averages. What are you talking about? An opening night did struggle a bit shooting I game with basically a new team, eighteen ten and your narrow Lebron has been. He's been governing. They didn't even hit a scoring average. What are you talking about doesn't meet. It is scoring average because he wants to get whether it's. Whether, it's avery. Bradley whether it's Anthony Davis he needs, to get everybody lebrons thirty five. Chris can't do what he did in Cleveland or Miami. He just can't physically at thirty five do that anymore. He has become the looter. Essay the NBA. The one game, they beat the clippers. He topped his scoring average the two games where he. said he didn't need to hit scoring an average, they lost so apparently, not all about scored twenty eight degrees. It's about how many points you got an aboard. Or How many points you? Your team through assists this? No, you can. If you're assisting avery Bradley six threes. Yes, certainly can Chris Bubble Avery. Bradley, he's now. He's not going to be in the bubble, but we you mentioned dogs, and the Clippers got these dogs. What Jr. Smith, they know dog, dion waiters, we know. He got dogging him and a lot of other stuff too though. But Alex Caruso has got some dog and him listen man you. Keep talking about dogs. Do? They ever is much dog. Is the clippers okay? I will answer that. Go back and watch that March game on Youtube Lakers clippers show me who had more dogging him other than Patrick Beverley I don't see a lot of dog, and Kawai and what George, and maybe you can say was just regular season. I don't see the. About what kind of dog you got mantras, Herald, he's not a poodle. Montre modulus heralds got doll. He's a dog. And Patrick Beverley also. Patrick Beverley so much more dark than his bite, and he's trying to get people injured out. Here I'm Pat. Beverley he's got on. You do hurt. Lakers speaking a bite, J. Matt, Cam Newton is biting. He's barking axes barking. The question is will he be able to bite because he's done with something done with what that's the question. You'll find out next on the Dan Patrick Show. Kristen J Mac. Be Sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick. Show weekdays at nine am eastern. Six Am Pacific on Fox sports radio the IHEARTRADIO APP you own or rent your home. 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No, but yeah, but anyway we're brought to you by Mercedes benzes Kristen j MAC filling in on the Dan Patrick Show and Mercedes am g given one hundred ten percent isn't just possible. It's mandatory. They squeeze every last drop of performance out of every last coupe sedan roaster, an SUV visit MBA USA dot com slash am Mercedes am. Driving performance all right J. Mac. Let's go back to the NFL and we talked about the BROWNS Braggadocio right revenge season continues soon. Yi and Lebron's got three rings and four. MVP's tobacco. Braggadocio, even though I really didn't want him go in there. I say just do it on the court because it's backfired on him before, but at least he does have the hardware to back it up Kamdoum. Not so much I. But CAM put out an instagram couple grams and I'm GONNA. Read it to you Jay Mac and I want your viewpoint. Here's what camp said. He was working out at the time to I'm tired of all this humble. Expletive. Because when you're humble, they start taking advantage of you. When you don't say nothing, they start taking advantage of you. The HYENA can do can be doing that he can do. The elephant can be doing already. Do the Giraffe the antelope? The chimpanzees gorilla can't be doing all that they do. But there's one expletive lion in the jungle and we're he roar, everything stops. And I'm about to expletive roar. J Mac I mean let's be realistic. Cam Newton's feelings were hurt when the franchise he played for. His entire career basically kicked him to the curb, and then nobody wanted him I mean. Teams are jumping to grab Jamison. Andy Dalton and nobody touched camp. and. This is where. I took a lot of heat when I went on cowherd show and I mentioned Baker Mayfield so obsessed with phone and social media, and now I've been proven two years later. When Baker Mayfield said Hey, man, Dalom back. My phone usage is social media okay. Cam Newton needs to take that lesson and applied. He's listening too much to social media. He's reading his instagram comments. He's reading twitter and he's watching Youtube. All these takes and it. Just you could tell this is impacting him. It's getting them. That's why he's putting out this nonsense camp. This is about one thing. You're throwing shoulder. You had surgery in two thousand seventeen. You had surgery in two thousand nineteen, and you haven't been the same. That's it. If you can get the shoulder, right, you will be fine whether that means releasing the ball half a second quicker, not taking many hits changing your style, forget about the social media nonsense Cam. This is about playing quarterback. I still think cam can have a resurgence. We know the talent is there you don't win MVP. You don't go number one overall. Do what he did it. Auburn immensely talented. Forget about the social media nonsense Chris. I think that's step one step to focus on your shoulder and your game. And he's. I see I. DO I was saying J. Mac months ago. When everybody when auto reporters were saying they're not. They're not interested. They are not going there. And I didn't I wasn't predicting it was going to happen. I was just saying. I would like to see. Happen I was saying it should happen I was saying why not? Why Not Cam Newton and Bill Belichick in New England together, so I'm glad this happened and I do think that if cam is healthy. He will have a resurgent year. He will lead them to the playoffs if he's healthy. I firmly believe that I think it's about Oh. Can you play lifetime? Play on. If you sure he's going to be the starting quarterback in week one. Yes wow healthy. Healthy, he will be okay. This see here's what people are forgetting you. You kind of mentioned this a little yourself. Cam New People are forgetting. You glossed over it I should say yourself. People are forgetting in twenty eighteen. You remember this two thousand Eighteen Cam Newton in the first half of the him. He's an was a monster and the candidate. Yes, fifteen TVs four picks sixty seven percents completion with North Turner. And they were six into the panthers. And then he got injured now he played through it. which is a credit to him, but he obviously wasn't able to be very effective, and then he got hurt after the second game last year, and the rest is history, so it's not like you have to go back to two thousand fifteen to say the last time Cam. Newton! Good! No, you're one hundred percent. Right Chris. Let me add that. When they were six into, there was a Thursday night. Game Carolina at Pittsburgh and I'll never forget it because I bet it unlike doing all this gambling. Gambling stuff for Fox and I was like listen steelers. You gotTa take them here. There's a no brainer. And they murder destroyed absolutely eviscerated cam in the panthers, and there was a hit by Tj Watt, and you can see it on Youtube. He puts his helmet right into camps. Shoulder cameras, never the same. There's a crazy picture of it and you're like. Oh, my Gosh! Just helmet right to the shoulder cam never recovered. He hasn't won a game since that one. Since that defeat in Pittsburgh, he has a one one NFL football game right and. The key is him being healthy, but here's what I say. I I like the fact that came at has not let the haters or even the fact that teams didn't weren't lining up to sign him I'm glad that he hasn't let that take away his confidence. I liked that, so you need confidence. We know that you need an ego. We know that. But as in the words of. A guy that we both talked with. That we're talking with him now Kevin Durant in the immortal words Kevin Durant. To Soomro. Bro. Like? You didn't sigh for twenty five million. You decide for thirty million. You just signed a vets minimum deal. You are you're not even been? You haven't been given the starters job yet. Just. Go out there and let you play. Do the talking if you do like I said lead the Patriots to the playoffs. If you do have a resurgent year, then talk about rory. But Now! is to. Let me ask you since we don't know about his health and Chris. Because Twenty eight twenty eight teams basically would like We don't know about his health interested. What makes you confident? He's going to be the starter in week one. Look and I never liked to. Fly off the handle off of instagram videos. With. This is L- is hitting nine thousand, nine hundred. Twenty three footers against guys at the YMCA and putting it on Instagram I'm not saying that's going to translate, so let me let me put that out there I. However we know the shoulder. As you said and the foot those are the problems right the Liz frank fracture in his foot. When you look at the workouts, he was doing Jay. Mac you see I mean. He's balancing on a a ball on his foot. He's lifting with his shirt. Like the things he's doing and I know it's just a small sample size in. He puts out what he wants right. He's putting out what makes him look good, but what he's put out, does make it look like he's healthy. In those two places that we were concerned about now he's taken a Lotta hits, and if maybe I'm. I'm not worried though about the wear and tear on his body just because I. Don't expect them to run is much. He doesn't need to run as much, but I think he can still be a good quarterback. Especially, because here's the thing, people are like well. Can he be Brady? Can he do what that office does? What does that office do they adjust? That Bill Belichick and Josh. mcdaniels adjust. They do sometimes their twelve personnel with two tight ends. Sometimes they're spread off. Sometimes they run I. They adjust sometimes week to week sometimes season to season era era, but they adjust, they will come up with the offense for Cam Newton. Here's my only thing stood them. Jarrett's did on the kid from Auburn. been was with them last year. He knows the playbook knows me of the annuals. Eve J MAC in Jarret Stidham like that then they would have never signed cam new. Seriously if you thought it was gonNA, be the next Tom, brady or Tom Brady light even then you wouldn't go out could just be signing cancer versi all of a sudden, because he's a bargain basement deal when you get a former MVP who you like, you said was good and twenty eighteen for the first half. Why not take them well speaking of quarterbacks? Let's get to our man in Dallas. Clarence Hill who who we know is all on top of the Dak Prescott story on top of everything cowboys related. He's the cowboys reporter for the Fort Worth Star telegram does a great job. What's up, brother? Welcome to the Dan Patrick Show. What's up, guys how you doing appreciate you guys this morning. Great to have you on the man with the answer, so we go get right to it. I'm GonNa hit you with this I because the reports I've seen are that essentially the cowboys and Dak have of agreed on money around thirty five million per year. The hold up is the cowboys went. Backwards score. Is that correct? You know the biggest sticking point again. Let's say this before Patrick. Million got a half a billion. A half a before. He Got Happen Billy, yes, the biggest sticking point was years, not necessarily money. The biggest sticking point was year they had offered deck, a little more than thirty four million right under thirty five million, but it could easily got thirty five million, but the sticking point was the cowboys wanted to do a five year deal by salary cap deck. Deck wanted to a four year deal to wants a four year deal because that's what was all the new money. They're looking all the quarterbacks and deals. They've gotten over the last couple of years before you deal, so he wanted to be in line with everybody else it before you deal four year extensions against that was before Patrick Mahomes signed for ten years and. Billy. That I, mean look. I I like that I think he's a franchise quarterback, but he is not in the same sentence or Zip Code as Patrick Mahomes, but is he gonNa make this. Take him up to closer to forty million. or I mean. You know no one's ever expected him to get more than Patrick Mahomes even if he would've got. Thirty five million and became the highest paid quarterback. We all knew. Their pets are gonNA. Pass him okay. We already knew that sooner decided contract people's pass, and probably the Song Watson to that's just how it goes. The next guy gets the most money you know, and so that attack of homes has already passed him. In just a month of negotiations, no one expects him to get packed. Deck. Tech home with money, but what it does is it does raise the floor I'm you go from an ideal that you know? Russell Wilson Pay quarterback and thirty five million a year. Now you got Patrick Mahomes. You know average new money for. A quarterback. That that is the floor, so no, but but now with him getting a thirty four point, one million dollars this year or the franchise tag and next year, the franchise tag be thirty seven billion for him if they don't get a deal done. Why would I up thirty five right now? Well, let me ask you. This clarence every quarterback who you've mentioned here and has been mentioned in that thirty five to forty range whether it's Russ. Patrick Mahomes Jared Goff, all these guys they've been to a super bowl or been in the MVP discuss Dak is in neither. Rain you change that to been MVP discussion to fit Carson Winston. I. Didn't you get a? Traded up for the guy. They're not GONNA pay. Game Show back. So so really really what you're saying their first round pick. Up. Russ was not, but he went to super. Offers big bottom line is did. If you look light, you put deck under against Carson with Jared Goff. I thought of that quote on hold, he's been to the super. Bowl even though golf looked off of this. That coach k. k.. If you just look at his numbers, what he's done, he's you know and then cars wins certainly how many playoff games cards with one zero? Okay I just WANNA. Make sure we own that same page tank, but but but but the difference is. Is that this problem? I was talking about them radio show last night, you know. When you come in as a fourth round pick, I would have to prove yourself you coming in the first round pick. He always give you the benefit of that. Where he was picked number one overall, and so he continues out, prove himself or their their doubters about you know what he can do it ceiling because he wasn't a first round pick because he wasn't and because he came round. Pick you look at the numbers you watch the game. He's certainly fares calm very well to those quarterbacks, cars, wins and a jared Oh. And you know it's funny to me because he you go back to viewers ago. The San, Francisco quarterback with five starts became the highest paid player in the League. No and no one costs that they just we're believe when our guy and we gave him money, everybody the highest league. Yes, he's been super bowl, but he had done nothing contract. Okay, and so let's not change how this thing works. If you believe when your guy in these or what it is for the quarterback position what you have to pay with quarterback, then you commit your guy will. Clarence is pretty clear. The forty niners were desperate. They had to over pay. They were a dumpster fire, but is Dallas. Desperate you're. Dealing with the fact you get, you're dealing with all this other stuff. The fact how these things that have worked and really what has happened over the last few years is the next guy gets paid. The next quarterback up. He's played. Just pay quarterback money. All these guys were this. Kirk cousins. Your Golf Carts winterless. Get paid. They get paid to current market value. quarterback was now dexter. And his not his fault that you know going back to. It went from twenty nine to thirty five. You know he that's quarterback. The cowboys fetch quarterback, and so they're gonNA pay him that and then vein in about the cowboys or the ones of dinovite him, but the quarterback. They're the ones who have offer him Russell Wilson like money already, so let's watch it about what money's getting worse. They've already offered that type of money. Now it's about. Can we agree on that number again? That number because this is how the market work has now risen little bit because my pets Oklahoma side for the cowboys fall. They didn't get that done before his rookie deal was. Able to do in jared in rows were able to do, and he was able to do what they were able to sign their quarterback to an issue with two years left on his deal and so they. Cap and do things like that. The cowboys should have gotten done two years ago. You know that you know Jerry's history better than anyone. He's tended to buckle on these contracts right before the deadline approaches. Yes, Do you think that'll be the I've felt like all along that. They were going to go ahead and say all right back. We'll just give you the four years. Do you think that is what is going to happen before the deadline? You think that plays on the franchise tag. What I think things that work I. Think Number One that Patrick Mahomes has shown deck, and the cowboys did you can sign a longer deal? Part of the before. Your reason was. That's what everybody else is signing for. You want to for four years and you get back out there. Because of new money's coming new contracts coming I mean with the TV network contracts coming, and it was a possible chance that they're going to Legalized gambling which. it's our camp and all that other stuff that you don't WanNa. Miss those opportunities well. They've Sean. You Petras homeless showing you that. If money with me, I'll take a longer deal. You know. I'LL! Take, a longer deal you know. I think the parameters been said you know if you WANNA. Take a long the deal, then you need to make it worth. My while can clear it's. Ordeal to do that, but I do think of deal will get done. Let me just say that. The Big Day report yesterday. They have not talked to have not renewed. have been no talks with the cowboys. Just March. March okay, but didn't get deals done, so it won't take long for them to get it done if they get the same room, but they have not talked. Why did they sign Andy Dalton? Clarence if they're if they're GONNA make if they're going to back it up and give them the bring. Outside. W what. They wanted to back up. He wanted to come home. You know he's from Texas. The teachers who wanted to find a situation his family lives in off season because the Kobe. He really couldn't get out there on the fridge, marketing and search. For a starting Gig like he wants to, so it was just the best situation of both parties. Andy Dalton is no threat today Prescott. Claire's ill cowboys reporter for the Fort Worth Star Telegram ECLAIRS. I love the way you shot down J., Max. My favorite cowboys guy. I love you cube, but I still either makes a mistake you're from the. Nineteen eleven what you know. Rose. Clare's you from Fort Worth Star. Telegram Gray. Job, brother, thanks. Urban I which NBA team has the best chance to win it all this year. A Hall of Famer has the shocking answer a shocker. I will share with you next on the Dan. Patrick Show Fox. Sports radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio, DOT COM and within the iheartradio APP search F. S. are to listen live support for the Dan Patrick show comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans home today so much more than it was yesterday, but rocket mortgage home is still. Still, all about you. 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They're to be singularly focused. You know every day the fact that they're young fact that they work out a different way than older veterans do I. Just think that they're going to be. They're gonNA flourished, but Denver's the Boston to Milwaukee. He's I think. Of the world. He said also in our interview with him when I asked him who he thinks going to win, he said one of the DS Denver or Dallas. And to call him earlier in his his spiel that we just played. I don't know why. Because I, don't agree. Chris. I don't know Kenny Smith personally. Is this him trying to get attention? I'm just curious. Is this I'm trying to cookie roles? This is nonsense. Dallas or Denver first of all Yokich. Have you seen the reports? He he lost forty five pounds, or whatever it is getting onto before can't even get into the country right now. I mean obviously he's GonNa play, but we don't know if he's been playing basketball. The Way Denver look terrible in the second half of the season. Since January one there. Are Bad. They're like below average team then for as no chance in the bubble none. Dallas I. You know I like Luca. Danni which I, glad porzingas will be healthy. I. Don't know about the rest of their supporting cast you trust. Anyone other than Luke on that team. I mean assuming porzingas. Nobody else has proven and obviously. Luca is young. Look I agree with you I. Think is crazy. I would be shell shocked. I would be floored. I would be flabbergasted. I would be. I I'm looking for another word. Denver or Dallas wins it if they even get to the finals if they win the West, one of those teams I think it would be I with anybody. I can see Dallas pulling a an upset of the clippers say. But I can't see them taking down the Lakers, I can't see taken down either team. Let me go here. 'CAUSE 'cause I I think, look clearly. We both agree that there's only three. Now there's only three teams that are going to win the title. We agree with that right. Bucks Lakers clippers. I think pro, yeah, well most part I mean I, I do think like yeah, win the title. Yes I would say that I think a Boston. I wouldn't be shocked if somebody upset. Milwaukee in Boston, upsetting Milwaukee Yeah I was like. I think Milwaukee will win these but I think there. I wouldn't be shocked if Boston. Toronto I. Don't know if they're tough. I mean. Toronto plays as hard as anybody in the league. They're well coached. They've got something to prove got a better record this year without Kawhi get by did Lash Notice Toronto Gut Down Florida early and they've been together. They had to though the whole time because they're you wonder if maybe that'll give them a slight edge, just slight edge I. Don't know how much. But they I was way wrong about the raptors this year they've been. There legit so I, look I could see somebody upsetting Milwaukee in the east, but I wouldn't see that team beating the Lakers. The Clippers so I. I think it's one of those three teams I. Agree with you. Here's what I want to throw at you. Though based off with Kenny Smith's it. If Let's just let's go along with his game. Go along with his folly all right as as the Great Walk Clyde Frazier would say. As Say Dallas does. What would that do for Luca Danni? As we already know, he's going to be a future MVP candidate, probably an MVP winner at some point. he, he has a I I would say. Lebron is the best what twenty year old twenty year old. We've ever seen in the league. But has accomplished more than Lebron at this young age. What would it do for Lucas legacy or just Lucas stature? If somehow they were to win Jay Mac I mean that would be you know. If they pulled it off this year like I already Luca Lot and know the listen. Larry Bird stuff followed around Dirk Nowitzki for awhile. Calling right? Yeah, and the white. If he was black I gotTa admit I wouldn't compare new Larry. Bird, but he's not so. I do think keeping it real by the way. And like listen to Larry Bird? Stuff's going to follow Luca I just want to say to the to the young guys out there Larry Bird won three straight MVP awards. He was the best player in the League. Eighty four, eighty, five, eighty, six, three straight MVP's. We've never seen that done. Since then now Lebron had to, and then derrick rose one and then Lebron to more, but I'm telling you. Luca Danni pitches coming he he has the chance. I would say to be an a top twenty player all time. I would say that's a ceiling for Luca Dodge. The look the dude is fantastic, and like I said I think Lebron was better, twenty year old and Lebron. You know people would say well. Lebron was a better defender, no doubt but not at twenty. I mean he's still was probably better than Lucas and defender get by an athlete. He wasn't a great defender early in his career, and he became that Luca will never be a great defender, but if he were somehow to win. This championship been again I'm just playing along with Kenny Smith. I what you'd have to I mean the thing about Luke. It would be incredible because he doesn't have a great supporting cast either. So. He came to staples for Lakers. mavs and I was there early on the court watching Luca, he makes. It looked so easy. He's not super fast. He's just quick efficient, and just it's like Ding. How does this guy get every shot off? He's Riley. Fun To watch I'm a huge fan of Luca. Danni, he's sneaky, strong, sticky athletic got a little bit of a of quickness obviously doesn't leap, but he knows how to use his body, and he's crafty man and he. He's great I think Lenny. Kenny Smith off on this one, but it'd be big. Eye cybercriminals are not going to let the cove nineteen crisis. Stop them from using tax fraud to take what's not. There's with the extension of the tax filing date to July fifteenth. 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Peter Robinson Interview - PLUS Episode 1 Sneak Peek

Apollo 11: What We Saw

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Peter Robinson Interview - PLUS Episode 1 Sneak Peek

"I everybody on Bill Whittle the writer and presenter of the epoch twelve part series the Cold War what we saw which tells the story of the Titanic Twentieth Century Struggle all between two competing ideologies from its infancy at the end of World War Two all the way to its conclusion with the fall of the Berlin Wall and then the Soviet Union itself itself you'll transport back in time feel what it was like to live through the end of the Cold War and understand why that struggle was a battle for civilisation itself. I thought you might enjoy a sneak. Peek of what's to come followed by an interview with the man who wrote Ronald Reagan's famous tear down this wall speech. I'm talking of course it's about Peter Robinson. Make sure to subscribe to this channel so you don't miss any episodes and comeback here January thirty first for the full release of episode one. You certainly won't want to miss it thirty years ago. The Berlin Wall was torn down by the people that had had divided for three decades Berliners. Were you fork. They were euphoric. Because the Berlin Wall was not merely a wall between east and West Berlin. It was the wall between East and West period it was the division of humanity into two different camps and since names and labels are always changing and morphing not to mention carrying decades of emotional baggage. Let's reduce it to the most simple emotionally neutral terms on one side of the wall. The eastern side were the collectivists who believed that society takes precedent. Take over the person. This collectivism was advertised as new scientific. But the fact is that collectivism has been the default condition of humanity since humanity began. You know the actual newcomer to this clash of visions where the individualists on the western side. The first government in history dedicated to the idea of the individual Joel being more worthy of protection than the state had just turned one hundred and seventy years old. When the forty year conflict known as the Cold War began world in ruins after the defeat of Nazi Germany imperial Japan and Fascist Italy these two ideologies come into head on conflict here in Berlin quickly? They became evident that Soviet leaders were not interested in free unified Germany and we're determined to induce or force a Western powers to leave Berlin. Certainly the American and Western people do not want raw but all history has taught us the grimness that no nation has ever been and successful in avoiding the tears war by refusing to defend its rights by attempting to placate aggression from the east the collectivist idea known known as communism had slugged. Its way for mile. After bloody mile limping menstruating and then running across Eastern Europe from Nazi High Watermark Mark at Stalingrad the individualist ideology arrived by sea storm and ashore on the beaches of Normandy and after being staggered once or twice was racing across western Europe in gasoline. Fueled Red Ball Express. Part of this idea was known as capitalism but that was merely the economic system politically gli morally economically and practically these were called the forces of freedom for the simple reason that that's what they were and as the collectivist nightmare known as German urban national socialism wavered collapsed and then imploded these two anti-theft ideologies met in Berlin for it was in Berlin where one world war or had just ended that the next World War was about to begin. No one felt this divide more than the defeated. Germans themselves to them. The Wall all this war of ideologies head immediacy not felt anywhere else the nation and former capital Berlin split half one camp occupied by the armies of the Soviet Union and the others by the armies of the United States. Great Britain and in a rather generous gesture France there was nothing. Theoretical about about the Berlin Wall it was cold thick high and deadly and it was a daily reminder to those on both sides of the sheer monumental luck took the city block you lived on determining the fate of you your children and their children no wonder they went at it with hammers and Crowbars and even bare and bloody hands but all of us who watched it happen filled that giddy. Euphoric mind boggling sensation. That had nothing to do with living in Berlin or even Germany talk top story. The Iron Curtain Between East Germany and West Berlin has come tumbling down. This has been a city physically divided for twenty eight years but now it's come together the end west in a spontaneous outburst of emotion. We all cried when the wall came down because with it collapsed from our shoulders. The death sentence that we'd all been living under because you cannot possibly understand how the world could be locked in a life and death struggle for half for century unless you can put yourself in the position of those of us who lived through it or live through any part of it is see when the Berlin Wall fell began to dawn on me like it began on all all of us. There is going to be an actual future. And despite all odds we're gonNA live to see it and this is what we saw And the world afraid of the proudest boast Dan. I'm Defended the only answer to communism is a massive offensive communism. PA system of international control. And can you and I have rendezvous with Mister Gorbachev tear down this many times a day I get asked Bill Euch Suave and handsome devil. How is it that you know so much about everything in the answer is very simple? I have a very high level of confidence and a very low level of awareness. But there's some good news. I had to spend twenty five years poking around trying to get all this stuff together and mostly I just pretty much fake with you on half to. There's a streaming service out called the great courses plus what it is is a bunch of unique perspectives from engaging experts in their fields on a wide range of topics and other other subjects like American presidents. You can get one on exoplanets or travel photography stress relief and with the great courses. You have the flexibility to watch him or just listen to him just about anywhere just as one one example they've got a featured course out now called the skeptics guide to American history. 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We've been doing this series as a ten part history lesson and it's nice to take a little break from the history lesson and talk to somebody who actually actually made some of the history Peter Robinson has been doing amazing work up at the Hoover Institute. He hosts uncommon knowledge on national view on Linus remarkable show US had many many different aspects of his background are fascinating but probably the one he's best known for is that he actually wrote the words. Mr Gorbachev tear down this. This wall that Ronald Reagan uttered that really seemed to mark the beginning of the end for the Soviet Union. So Peter at such an honor to pleasure to have you on the show. Thanks very much for being with US bill that it was such a generous introduction that I'm a little read. There's no place for me to go down but now you don't have to worry about that. I'll cover I'll cover the lowering of the Bar So let's just start with something to warm us up here and this may be something you can relate to so I'd like to start off by kind of full disclosure kind of thing. I was twenty eight years. There's old when Reagan gave that speech that you wrote but by that time I was already a world renowned idiot You attended Dartmouth in Oxford. I graduated Magnum cum laude from Dunning Kruger University. I'm telling you all of this because when I was a young man in real time I was convinced that Ronald Reagan was going to get us all killed. He was just is going to get us all killed And and I was in the theater department hung around with actors and I was passionately involved with things. I knew nothing about what you say about that kind of thing. Did you ever similar experience. I I really didn't to be honest. Bill I was conservative. More or less from the get-go I caused a little bit of trouble in college as a conservative writing. Conservative pieces for the student newspaper where that came from. I don't know as for Ronald Reagan. You're in pretty good company in nineteen eighty three Eh. There was an a what was. It was the nuclear freeze movement and there was a demonstration in Central Park at which Bruce springsteen headlined and and for years maybe still today. I don't know but for years. That event held the record is the largest outdoor political gathering in the history of the country so there were a lot of people who thought what you thought bill. And Bruce Springsteen was one of them so so congressional things should now elster ashamed. Suppose I can put it that way. I've had just to speak a few times at the Reagan Library. No fooling about this I I go out afterwards. Every time standby Ronald Reagan's a burial site there and Bow My head and apologize and an everything I'm doing with the work I do is to atone for this so peter here. Here's what I want to talk to you about throughout about this entire sure subject. We talk about the Cold War and and you hear terms like body counts throw weights merv full gaps. Gi UK. All all of this the stuff. It's always talked about in terms of either weapons policies or politics sometimes even economics bomber gap missile gap. But the thing that never ever seems to be discussed is the morality gap. It's always portrayed as if this was coke versus Pepsi. You know red team versus blue team but one of the things is I've been doing is constantly dipping into a thimble full of the of the ocean of atrocities that were committed by the Soviet leadership. Eight or ship against their own people and no one ever seems to talk about the moral difference between these two combatants. That is a very profound point. And I'm glad that you're going to include that in this history that you're doing I once heard Anatoly Sharansky. Natan Insurance key as he is now now. He's an important figure in Israeli politics but he was a Jewish refusenik and he spent years in a Soviet prison and Ronald Reagan helped to get him released not him personally but he helped to Jewish refuseniks released and Anatoly. Sharansky visited the White House and said to Ronald Reagan in the Oval Office. That when he gave his speech people would smuggle in on little screws or twists lists of paper quotations from the president's speech and the prisoners would hand these from hand to hand to hand and read them and gave them hope because he was telling the truth he wasn't engaging in calculations big power calculations relations or real politik. When Ronald Reagan gave a speech? He told the truth later. I did the you were kind enough to mention my interview interview program. On Common Knowledge I interviewed of Natan Sharansky as he is now just a couple of years ago and he said that he doesn't to this day he doesn't understand how Ronald Reagan nuit but Reagan he said knew the nature of the Soviet regime that it was effectively. A gangster regime that Ronald Reagan understood that better than any other world figure or politician of the day that Natan Sharansky ever met. And Wha what I the if you're foreign policy professional or if you were In the Defense Department was your job to worry a great deal about throw weights and multiple reentry vehicle. Were heads and so forth. That people had to do that. That was important but what Reagan brought along long was a kind of moral imagination. You've already explained the moral aspect. Our Society had had has many many faults but if you compare our society with the Soviet society it was perfectly clear that one was fundamentally good trying to live up to its own ideals and the other was to use the phrase that President Reagan used in nineteen eighty three was when he gave this speech. The other was was an evil empire. It really was at its most basic level a contest between good and evil. He saw that and was willing to say see that. That's the moral. Part of Ronald Reagan's moral imagination. The imagination comes in by the time Ronald Reagan became president. We'd had what fifteen years depends on how you count it of detente coexistence and it was considered the the sophisticated realistic point of view. Right to imagine that the Soviet Union would exist essentially forever therefore we had to be adult about it and manage. The relationship and Ronald Reagan could imagine a different script at. He told Dick Allen his first national security the adviser Dick Allen told me that they were chatting and this is before a Reagan became president but he said now Dick Would you like to hear my view of the Cold War will. Of course I would said Alan well now. Some people say I'm simplistic but there's a difference between being simple and being simplistic. My view of the Cold War is this we win and they lose and at that time. That was a shocking thing to say. Ronald Reagan could imagine a world at post Soviet world. He could imagine a victory for the forces of good over the Communists. I I mean trying to get all of your insurance in one place. It is literally worse than Stalingrad. Yeah that's the world I live out here. Look our friends over a Gabby have made this a whole lot. 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You have the best rate out there already so take two minutes right now to start saving on your car and homeowner's insurance go to Gabby dot com slash Colt and for a limited time. If they can't find you savings on your insurance you'll get ten dollars Amazon gift card that's G. A. B. I.. Dot Com slash cold gabby dot com slash Colt terms and conditions. Dishes applies see site for details. Amazon is not a sponsor of this promotion. You're so right about The the attitude of elitist. When when you talk about but things like the forces of good and forces people they they roll their eyes as if you just emerged from some barnes someplace and covered with a butts right i? I cannot cannot stress this enough. The American public is not capable of understanding. How horrible the leadership of that country was they just cannot believe it Duh? Dutch Reagan Save lives as a lifeguard when he was growing up. Joseph Stalin on the other hand personally signed forty thousand death words. That's just the ones he signed. Khrushchev ordered his own. NKVD troops to shoot down his own soldiers with machine. Guns and Dwight Eisenhower wants through a a golf club in aid barrier rapes. Hundreds of young young women and and Allen Dulles had a consensual affair with the Queen of Greece the these differences are so monumental that it took somebody with Reagan's imagination to to really at least get a grasp on on. Just what kind of people he was dealing with us right. He's against somehow. I'm how he intuited this. I even now I don't he didn't. He didn't read book after book after book on Russian History Soviet history but somehow he knew the nature of the bad guys and by the way you make a very very important point every Soviet leader from Lennon through Chernyenko that is every Soviet leader. Until oh you get to Gorbachev. Right was a killer absolutely personally responsible for many many deaths. That's that distinction. It was it was a country and empire that was run by effectively Mafia. Hit men they were killers yes and and I think you could make the case that one of the reasons. The Cold War lasted as long as it did was American and Soviet histories were almost a negative image of each other. For instance Soviet Union land power had been invaded so many times been burned and raped and pillaged through the Soviet Union. So many times that the idea of conquest and defense was so so integral to their world view that they could simply not imagine or credit the the statement that the United States was not interested in taking territory or or or or taking a bite out of Russia conversely as a as a trading nation whose history consists of. You know our invasion history is the British came down and burn the White House. It's about it That's right that we could not understand why the Soviets were as paranoid as they were about everything we thought we were dealing with rational players. We would see things like the Berlin blockade didn't make any sense whatsoever. Stolen already had what he wanted but we never ever fully understood. I think at least until Reagan. Anyway that we were looking at not a reflection of ourselves but an inverse image of of each other There's a great deal to that for sure. Sure there's a great deal to that. I remember. I should have known this. I suppose but I remember reading up on this in the White House and I grew up thinking that the biggest invasion invasion the biggest military event in the Second World War was the Normandy invasion not at all not at all the biggest military actions took place inside the Soviet Union right. The Germans invaded the Soviet Union with more than three million troops on three different fronts and the Soviets lost something like twenty I think the estimates the newer estimates are even higher something like twenty million of their citizens and soldiers in that conflict. We lost a little under half a million It was it it was a regime. This is one one reason why we couldn't believe they would use nuclear weapons and we now know that. They had quite realistic plans and they were used to death. They were used to destruction by the way I said. The regime is evil. You have to add that. I want to distinguish between the regime and the ordinary Inari long-suffering Russian people who went through that Second World War One Russian in six not just wounded or spent some time in privation nation. Lost a home or or spent some time Hungary. One Russian in six died during that conflict so the regime is bloody and hard hardheaded and used to death theory used to death and the poor people are long suffering and beaten down. I ended up marrying one of those long suffering Russian citizens married a Russian. I did a For a wonderful wonderful woman Natasha and Early in our relationship. She said What she's speaking about Putin but she could basically been speaking about any of any one of these leaders she said Putin loves Russia He just doesn't care about the Russian people and and that's a real important distinction I'd like to. I'd like to talk to you about a few specifics if you don't mind Sure uh I it heard about George Kenan's long telegram That was the telegram that Kenan sent from the Moscow of US Embassy in Moscow. When asked about why the Soviets weren't going along with the World Bank and so on and George Kennan who was largely unknown at the time wrote a five thousand five hundred word telegram in response to the Treasury Department Not State and outlined exactly how the Soviets thought what they would what they were positions would be an covered so much detail that when I'd finished finished reading it I I wanted to read the entire telegram verbatim? Could you talk a little bit about about canons insight. Not only into how the Soviets it's would-be h-have but the thing that took my breath away. Peter was that he he closed. This is a telegram. Close this telegram by saying the most important thing is for us to believe in ourselves selves to have self confidence not to become the communists that we're fighting and and basically keep ourselves above all of this bloodshed right. That telegram represents cents an amazing moment in American history. Fit probably best to take a step or two back. The background here is that Franklin Roosevelt is president resident throughout the Second World War and for much of the Second World War. We are alive Beginning with the When the beginning from the moment we enter the war we are allies with the Soviet Union? Joseph Stalin is our ally the big three were Winston Churchill Prime Minister of Great Britain. Joseph Stalin the premier of the Soviet Union and Franklin Roosevelt President of the United States. Carry Truman as vice. President Listens to Roosevelt. Give his speeches. Praising the Soviets sees our military leaders working with the Soviet military leaders and so when when Roosevelt dies in April nineteen forty five. Truman totally unexpectedly. Certainly he never expected it becomes president he feels Truman felt. We know this. This is one of the enduring things about Truman who was a great man in my judgment. Truman feels he's a little man by comparison with this historic gigantic figure of American History Franklin Roosevelt. He's replacing and all he wants to do is pursue the policies that Franklin Roosevelt set in place. What happens the Soviets hits instead of holding free elections in Eastern Europe? The way they had promised to the Red Army is in eastern Europe. The Red Army stays they. They hold a few elections. But they're mostly sham elections and very quickly. Communist regimes are established across Eastern Europe. And Harry. Truman is watching this process. Thinking something is not right here to large events take place to help change. Truman's mind one is that George Kennan. A diplomat who spoke Russian was deep student of history. A beautiful writer too by the way it absolutely you can tell when you read this telegram. George Kennan writes this cable and it lays out Soviet strengths but weaknesses and described sets. Out The policy of containment. The Second World War had just ended the American people who've been through depression and now a war. The idea that we would go to war with the Soviets that was never going to happen. Kenan lays out containment. Don't just hold them where they are challenged them challenge their system and wait all the internal contradictions will eventually inch will bring it down. It may take great patients and this is going to be a great challenge for the United States. But let's have confidence in our own system in ourselves and do that. And he sets out in that one telegram the policy that the United States essentially continues for the next four and a half decades until thirty years ago ago. Next month the Berlin Wall finally falls it was an amazingly prescient act of of Diplomacy Harry. Truman reads that APP. The second event was that Truman Truman has a political problem. Truman head. Here's why in my judgment. He's a great man I he has to come to grips oops with reality that the Soviets are not our allies that they are not going to pursue up keep in good faith the commitments that they made to Franklin Roosevelt contrary they are adversaries he has to realize that. That's a hard thing to do in those days. Of course communications intelligence since all of this was much much harder to understand what somebody on the other side of the world really was doing intending and then Harry. Truman had to build the political support in the nation for pursuing a Cold War. These are two very difficult things to do. Second Lachey fat summer of. Oh let me you see forty seven. Perhaps I think it was the snow. No summer forty six. Well I've got the year wrong. It was one summer of the other. Harry Truman goes down to Palm Beach where he spent vacations and he says he's leaving to Clark Clifford. One of his aides pulled together a list of all our agreements with the Soviets during the second can world war and how well the Soviets are living up to them so truman is still trying to get a grip on. What's actually happening Clark? Clifford has a young assistant called. George Elsey see George Elsey died at very great age just a couple of years ago I got to know him in his final years and he told me the story himself George Chelsea said to Clark Clifford Mr Clifford if you just pulled together a list of agreements. That isn't going to go far enough. Let me spend some time going around the government talking talking to people and pulled together more comprehensive report and in those days George Elsey said the White House. The White House only knew what the Pentagon Hennigan was doing when George Marshall came over to the White House and brief them the State Department ran foreign policy unless a bigger part in at that point. George Marshall Secretary of State but Pentagon has to inform the white at the White House is sitting by itself trying to figure out what's happening in its own government let alone. What's happening with the Soviet Union Union? So George elsey spends a couple of months interviewing key figures in the Pentagon at the Treasury and the State Department and what he discovers is that virtually every person to whom he spoke has begun to realize that the Soviets are up to no good but believes that he himself was the only person who sees it. Everybody was seeing it but there hadn't been any crystallization of this sense within the government. George Elsey writes a report it goes to Harry tr they printed. George Elsey told me this the printed I believe twenty copies copy number one was for the president copy number two was for a the Clark Clark Clifford I believe Clark Number Three George Elsey showed me his own copy of this document when I visited him down in Irvine California a couple of years ago and it details what the Soviets are up to and high American officials saw and Harry. Truman read this thing overnight overnight and then gave the order for all those copies to be gathered and put in the White House safe because Harry Truman having realized what was happening now had to build political support for a Cold War and didn't want this thing leaking causing trouble with politics before commend himself. Got On top of the larger problem of swinging the country behind him their their their their story after story here but the main point is that in in its March I believe nineteen forty seven that Truman he holds meetings with the leadership of Congress and this is very important bill to remember in this time. I'm of political polarization. In this country in the election of nineteen forty six Republicans recaptured both houses of Congress for the first time since since nineteen thirty two and they did it in large part by running against Harry Truman. Truman now had to call these Republican leaders down to the White House else. Lay out what was happening that the Soviets were establishing communist regimes across Eastern Europe that they were placing pressure on Turkey and so forth and come to an agreement with them he then goes and gives a speech to the nation before a joint session of Congress and lays out and announces that the United States will support report the forces of democracy around the world and asks in particular for immediate aid to Greece and Turkey and at that moment Republicans Republicans and Harry. Truman who really frankly loathed each other decided to put politics aside for the greater interest of of the nation and begin that to my mind. That speech is the moment when the Cold War begins before then the Soviets are pushing and pushing and pushing. That is the moment comet when the United States stands up and decide and declares that is going to push back that Cold War begins at that moment at their eclipse. You may want to include include sound clip of this in your history of the Cold War Truman. Truman's delivery is flat. He only gets a smattering of applause. Is Two or three times you can see you can hear you can feel that nobody in that chamber is happy about this as I say the American people had been through depression and the Second World War the last thing they want to do is commit themselves to another international struggle. They do it purely because as they consider it their duty. You mentioned that Harry Truman was a regular guy who thought he was fulfilling shoes up of a great man but one of the things about the Franklin Roosevelt was he was so convinced that he could finesse and flatter Joseph Stalin the way he financed and flattered everyone else in the American system. He called him uncle Joe when was sure he said basically said I can handle the sky. He hadn't a clue Harry. Truman had a much much clearer view of what he was doing with. And I think it's because he was a regular the guy and it seems to me that kind of pre-stages Ronald Reagan's outside of the Beltway view a couple of the basics of it. I couldn't agree anymore in my judgment. You may have a different view. Bill that my in my judgment the two heroic figures of the Cold War are the president under whom it begins. Harry Truman and the president who wraps it all up in the end Ronald Reagan. And what do these two men once. A Democrat Harry. Truman one's a Republican when Ronald Reagan won considered myself a liberal by the standards of the day. That's Harry Truman. Ronald Reagan is of course a conservative. But what do they have in common. Harry Truman never went to college. Ronald Reagan attended a small college in the Midwest. They both come from the middle of the country right. They know small smalltown America they know mid western America. They know Americans who are hard working and honest and decent and they both both know a lot of history because both men read constantly so there. There's you can't imagine Harry Truman or Ronald Reagan holding forth and the Faculty Lounge at Harvard Yale just inconceivable. Both men no middle America ordinary American small town America. That's the America they carry in their minds and the one thing that that's what they brought with them but perhaps even more important was the things they weren't bringing with them neither one of them had been exposed to this elitist. Kind of you know foggy. Bottom you know. Harvard School of Government. Sort of idea that we're all just a bunch of swell Chapson and we can all just get along. They weren't. They weren't a part of that echo chamber that said well communism is inevitable. We'll probably thought that communism was was probably destined to win that thing and we just could hold on as long as we could. They didn't have that elitist blind spot. That was personified fight Bhai Roosevelt and on through so much of the State Department. That's right that's exactly right the There's a great. We know so for example in in Whittaker Chambers Book Witness Chambers who was a great journalist and a major figure in the fifties and Sixties but during the thirties became a communist and was a Soviet spy. I'm sure you'll go into that at other points in the podcast and chambers broke with the communist Communist Party and wrote a memoir called witness which was one of Ronald Reagan's favorite books he could quote passages from witness almost by heart and in witness. Cygnus whittaker chambers writes that when he broke with the Communist Party he did so with conviction that he was leaving the winning side the communist side to join the losing side the Democratic West. He felt he had to do that that his conscience gave him no choice but he felt certain certain the communists would win and the West would lose. Now this is a brilliant highly educated man contrast that with Harry Truman. There is a a moment. As far as I know it's only recorded in the diaries of James Forrester. Who was are the when the Department of war was reorganized? As the Department of Defense he was the first secretary of Defense and during the Berlin blockade that you just mentioned a moment ago. Bill is nineteen forty eight and Stalin trying to choke off Berlin. And there's a meeting. In the White House that Forrester writes about and Truman goes around the table table and listens to the military advice and he hears from one figure after another that. The military situation is untenable. If Stalin is going to choke-off Berlin he's going to choke off the rivers. He's going to cut off rail access to Berlin. There really isn't much we can do about it. And Truman listens to this and forced her rights done in his diary. The president made one statement. We stay in Berlin period and he. He did not believe we were going to lose. He didn't know how we would save Berlin. Of course they then put together the Berlin airlift. which is a great moment? A huge technical feat at the time aircraft flying twenty four hours a day for nearly a year to Pearl to supply West Berlin to fly over the Soviet troops supply West Berlin with food and fuel and so forth. But at that Moment Harry Truman knew one thing. WE'RE NOT GONNA lose. We're not going to back down. He was one tough son of. And I'll tell you about another one Ronald Reagan. There's a wonderful moment. Eighty one or eighty two fairly early early in the administration. There's a meeting in the Roosevelt Room. Under Jimmy Carter. We had a two track negotiating position on intimate intermediate range nuclear missiles. The Soviets had played about six hundred short-range missiles in eastern Europe capable of striking western Europe. And we didn't have any short range. Missiles in western Europe capable of striking back in eastern Europe and Jimmy Carter came up with a quite complicated negotiating policy and Ronald Reagan. Scrap that for the zero zero policy if the Soviets would remove all of their. INF's we would agree not to put a single one in place. and and Paul Nitze very distinguished. Good man Patriot. Highly distinguished diplomat. Paul Nitze meets with the president. He's it's about to fly off to Europe to negotiate the Soviets and Nitsa says Mr President I don't even know what to tell my Soviet counterpart you're saying that if they agree to destroy Roy and investment that has cost them hundreds of millions of rubles will agree not to spend even one dollar and Ronald Reagan replied. Will Paul so you just tell the Soviets you worked for one tough son of I wanNA talk about that one tough son of because I think that a great deal of Ronald Reagan's negotiating credibility toward the end of the Cold War towards the end of his second term was generated by something happened right at the beginning of his first term for people. Enough familiar with it. There was an air traffic controllers. Union called PETCO things. The Professional Association of air traffic or something like that And these easier traffic controllers had signed a contract when they were hired saying that they would not strike because they were in a critical industry. Well the pet controllers didn't feel like they were getting enough money and they threatened that they in fact going to strike and Reagan. Said if you guys go on strike. Anybody who doesn't show up on work on Monday morning is going to be fired and no one believed him. No one believed him because that would mean shutting down pretty much. The entire air traffic system of the United States. All of it and the Soviets Soviets were watching this wondering how Reagan was going to back himself out of it and when the day came in and and many of those controllers didn't show up Reagan just fired with them and it meant grounding a significant portion of the American Civil Aviation Fleet We ended up bringing a lot of military controls in but it was. It was tough going for a while but the Soviet saw this and they said this man is willing to make this kind of a dent in American society and the economy and because all all of this chaos and turmoil because he said he would. That's exactly right. Nineteen eighty-three the Soviets to continue that story. Sorry but this is further to your point. Bill Nitsa presents this zero zero option to the Soviets and they walk away from the negotiating table and the president's fallback was if within the Soviets didn't agree to this position than the United States begins pudding. I N F missiles in Europe and Europe much of western Europe exploded loaded. There were anti-nuclear. I mentioned earlier when we began. The nuclear freeze movement in this country was huge. It was enormous in Britain and West Germany Italy as well and I know that because at the time I was writing speeches for Vice President George Bush and we flew over to Europe and he gave speeches about the importance of sticking to who our NATO commitments and we drove through a German city and crowds jeered us and threw rocks at the vice president's motorcade. The staff I was in the staff bus and bricks came in through the window shattered the wind. We all had to climb down on the floor. It was hatred really was real hatred anti-americanism and Ronald Reagan couldn't have done this without Margaret Thatcher and helmet. Kohl of course hit but Reagan put those missiles in place and that that co Soviet that to got the Soviet intention George Shultz my colleague here at the Hoover Institution whose ninety eight years old felt that. That was a very important turning point that the the Reagan called the Soviets Bluff put in those missiles and that was when George Shultz felt the Soviets finally understood. Just how serious here is. He was glad. You mentioned Margaret Thatcher because there was practically a once in history certainly once in a lifetime trio of three world leaders. Who who had the moral clarity to to change this equation from a military equation into a moral and spiritual one? One was Ronald Reagan. The second was Margaret Thatcher and the third was pope. John Paul the second. You're speaking earlier about how dissidents in Russia or just regular Russian citizens would try and write down. Just fragments of Ronald Reagan's speeches this and share them amongst each other as if you could elaborate a little bit. What effect does does something like? The president of the United States of America speaking to the Common Soviet citizen WHO's been through fifty sixty years of absolute terror. What does that do right to a population that has been so strangled old of information of any kind? You have put your finger right on the central point. Use the word a moment ago. Bill Terror and there is John Paul. The second in nineteen seventy nine. This is the year that Margaret Thatcher is elected in the year before Ronald Reagan elected. He's named Pope and his first visit is to Poland and essentially the whole population of the country. Turns out to see him during his several day I think he spent seven or eight days in Poland. It becomes the motto all of his Papacy. If anybody remembers a phrase from John Paul the second this is the phrase be not afraid. Well of course that spiritual advice we Christians Catholics like me were. We need not be afraid because we place our confidence in Christ east but it's also a political message all they have over you is your fear be not afraid. The entire Communist system rests on fear and spoken to an of Poles and Russians that they saw in John. Paul the second and Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. They saw leaders in the West. Who understood who saw that? The system was simply simply a it was in some basic way a terrorist organization in that the Soviet Union relied on fear all right now l.. When Reagan gave the speech that I was associated with that I drafted the tear down this wall speech that was at at which was opposed by the State Department National Security Council? All the experts speak fight over that speech and the president overruled Mendez. And said I'm going to give this speech. And when he says Mister Gorbachev Tear down this wall what effect does that have a day or two. After the speech I went went to the White House a mess and sat down for lunch. I was the first person there and the next prisoner came in with a good guy. Peter Rodman was his name. He was a disciple of Henry. Kissinger a singer on the National Security Council staff. But I- tensed because Peter Rodman had been one of those who fought very hard to suppress that speech. The speech had this strange effect that the moment President Reagan delivered it. Everybody recognize the fit fitness of it. That it was that he had in some sense to okay so the first thing Peter Rodman who fought this speech for three weeks he sat down and turned means. Said Well Peter. It looks as though our speech was a big success. Okay it's our speech each now but then he then he said then he said That our intelligence services had picked up cable traffic between Moscow and East Berlin in which Moscow was instructing the East Berlin regime to increase points or increased crossings of the Berlin Wall and that the president's residents speech had made the Soviet Union understand the way Peter Rodman put it was what a public relations catastrophe. The Wall is all right. I heard that about forty eight hours after the president solidified the speech and nothing for years. I've always wondered are always wondered what affected that speech have what what effect a words ever have is is one question but over the years. I've met a number of people who were in East Germany when the President delivered that speech and the all say something similar what they say is that when they heard those words at first. It didn't even make sense since the idea of saying get rid of the Berlin Wall is like saying down. His up and up is down. Just didn't even compute. That wall was such a fixed ext permanent feature of communist life but it happened. The president of the United States said tear down the wall and what that means means is that the day before he delivered that speech. Those people couldn't imagine life without that wall and the day after he delivered that speech they found themselves wondering is that well permanent. What might life be like without it and so I have come to the conclusion? Uson that with Margaret Thatcher and the pope and like Vincent in Poland and vets Love Hall of Hovel in Czechoslovakia by telling the truth and challenging the Soviet Union Ronald Reagan helped to make new thoughts. Thinkable he enlarged the space for for moral imagination and bear in mind. What happens of course when the Berlin Wall comes down thirty years ago? It's not Gorbachev who tears it down. There are protests the begin in East German churches. They begin in Leipzig and then they spread very rapidly across cross East Germany and culminate in a demonstration of over one hundred thousand people right in the capital of East Berlin right within sight of the wall itself and the East German regime goes into a panic. Emergency meetings of the police bureau and it's in the middle of the night they are passing one decree. After after another trying to mollify. People settled situation down. It's in the middle of the night that they passed the decree that has something to do with border crossings and the member of Police Bureau whose job it is to brief the press. It's something like one in the morning and he's groggy and he reads this thing and he gets a question. Does that mean the border controls are lifted immediately and he looks at this piece of paper and he said well yes. They are lifted immediately and this was broadcast and within in seconds east Berliners starts streaming toward the checkpoints. Go on foot. They go by bicycle. The few who are able to afford cars drive I have to the checkpoints the guards at the checkpoints have received absolutely no instructions. This takes everyone by surprise. And of course there's a tense moment because those guards could shoot these people and instead one guard decides to act like a human being and he opens the the the the gate at all. The other guards do the same in at that that moment the Berlin Wall ceases to function and I like to think that the speech the President delivered not quite two years earlier helped to make that possible helped to make possible in effect for ordinary German people to get rid of the wall themselves. I just finished misreading. Evan Thomas's book called Ice Gamble and he's writing it from a left wing point of view or he's basically saying that Eisenhower dithered his way into world peace and so on. It's a very positive look at Eisenhower. But it's a very negative look at the CIA at the military industrial complex. That Eisenhower spoke of on the way out. And here's here's the thing. Peter Evan Thomas makes the case that I've heard many many times from people on the left and the case goes something like the Cold War was a giant misunderstanding. Understanding the Soviets were always far weaker than we were always and it's only our military industrial complex in their in their love of money. Money and these cowboy arrogant idiots at the CIA who are who are launching these adventures that the whole thing was a giant misunderstanding. Mostly caused by by our paranoia and fear and if we'd only listen to Sources about how weak the Russians. Actually were then they would have come to the Cape table as soon as Stalin. Stalin died and fifty three and the whole thing would have been over in a couple of years. I fundamentally disagree with that position. But I'd like to get your take on it because it's a common one and it goes back to what I opened this conversation. Conversation with the idea that these two teams are like. We're like a coke and Pepsi. There's no fundamental difference between the two of them they're just too big armies and The whole thing is fundamentally tally up. Misunderstanding that few is wrong from beginning to end and top to bottom and insight out it begins with the notion that after the Second World War the Soviet Union was so badly destroyed factory. Production Agriculture ripped up wanted. Six is dead. All that is true that all at wanted was a buffer zone behind which to rebuild and peace which we had given them but which yeah well the Red Army. They did not need. That could have held free elections in Eastern Europe and there could have been ways of choosing to make Poland very the giving Poland no new military the Soviet Union there are two two explanations for why the Soviet Union did what it did but first let's be clear about what it did. It's subjected East Europe to four decades of communist control and poverty pretty impoverishing those those people making economic development impossible. It continued as an expansionist power from the beginning from the end of the Second World War. You're right through until the Soviet Union finally collapsed itself. It has its navy. At the beginning of the period is just a coastal navy it develops by the one thousand nine hundred seventy s a deepwater fleet capable of projecting Soviet power. All over the world they developed client states in Africa and Asia. They develop a client state in Cuba. This is an aggressive expansionist power. They were Communist. My friend Stephen Kotkin who is the brilliant historian Dorian Princeton historian. He's written two volumes the definitive biography of Stalin. He's now working on the third and final volume. Stephen Kotkin has spent all all his professional life in archives studying the inner workings of the Soviet Union and I said to him what Stephen. What's if you could boil it down to one finding what what's the most impressive important? Finding from all those years of studying documents in the Soviet Union itself and Stephen replied immediately they were communists they really believed it behind closed doors when the leaders had nothing to prove to anybody and and you would expect them to be at their most candid with each other. They were still talking about the worldwide revolution and the workers revolt and speaking and categories stories of Communist ideology. That's one explanation that they were communist and they were the second. Complementary explanation is social needs since explanation. Asian he told us this when he's his famous address at Harvard University. It was at the beginning of the Reagan period and soldier needs and said the internal dynamic. NAMIC here is this. The Soviet Union is a week and bankrupt. Country Internally. Don't make any mistake. They have a very powerful military military including nuclear weapons. They have to the regime has to be expansionary because that is the way it looks it justifies itself itself to the Russian people themselves. Look at us. We're standing up to the United States. Look at us. We're projecting Russian power Soviet power to Africa and Asia and this was the only legitimacy to the extensive they had any legitimacy at all that they had with their own people. The Berlin Wall fell on November ninth nineteen eighty nine nineteen eighty nine November ninth. And I often. I mentioned talked to college students students I ask. When do you suppose the last person was killed? Trying to escape over the Berlin Wall. And they'll say oh I don't know maybe sometime in the late nineteen sixties they have. There's this feeling that somehow or other the whole that the the city the East German regime the whole Soviet enterprise the communist enterprise was getting softer her and actually they were becoming nicer toward the end and the answer is that the last person was killed. Shot down in cold blood trying to escape over the Berlin Wall in February of nineteen eighty. Nine I've spoken to several people who had been in East Berlin during the the entire time and they said that when when you went through checkpoint Charlie into East Berlin it was like the beginning of the wizard of Oz run in reverse. Dorothy comes out of black and white world opens the door and there's this burst brilliant color and they said that if you went from West Berlin and East Berlin was like stepping through a door and all of the color just disappeared. Everything was was gray. The people were gray. The clothes were the building was gray. It was so devoid of any kind of sense of of humanity. Even forget happiness happiness and yet I understand that that people in in Berlin were a very big part of you being able to write that speech. That's right I spring of Nineteen eighty-seven I received the assignment. The president of I was told the president is going to stand in front of the Berlin Wall. And he'll talk doc for about half an hour and given that setting he ought to talk about foreign policy. That's that was the guidance received from the senior staff. I flew in Let me see. I think it was April April. Yes April I flew to West Berlin with the pre advanced party. That is the there. Were some people from the White House. Press Office who are going to be liaising with German press people from the secret service who would be talking about security arrangements and so forth and I went there with my notebook and the spend a day or a day and a half in Berlin first up was the site where the president was going to speak climbed. A platform looked over the wall from West Berlin and West Berlin was a modern prosperous town full of color people well dressed driving having recent model cars. I was astounded. By the number of Mercedes benzes. Everyone seemed to be doing well. And then you look across the wall down unter den and Lyndon which was the main was the Pennsylvania Avenue the main Zarem oneal a street of old Berlin. And but now you're looking at East Berlin and it was was astonishing. It felt the absence of motion. There were a few soldiers in the near in the foreground marching back and forth. You look down. Auden Linden issued a few more soldiers few people on sidewalks way off in the distance car or two that seems somehow to be going slowly and then the second second. An overwhelming impression was of grayness. Somehow I there was no color. The buildings the building seemed they were gray and Brown they seem to be slumping. They were clearly badly maintained. You could see shell marks these many. Some of these buildings hadn't been repaired. And since the end of the Second World War and this was now nineteen eighty seven more than four decades later. And so there I felt. I actually actually for me. A young speechwriter. Who needed material? The first my impression was that I was really shook me because I thought to myself. I've never been in a place where you could. The air seemed heavy with the weight of history. This was the border. This was the dividing line between the free west color movement activity people enjoying themselves and the communist east all grey array very little activity very little motion. How do I write something that? How can I give President Reagan material that is equal to the sense of to the sense of moment in this spot? Well I talked to various other people in fact I talked to the ranking American diplomat diplomat in Berlin and he was full of ideas about what Ronald Reagan should not say and he said don't make a big deal out of the wall. They've all begun used to it by now but for me. The the big moment moment was that in the evening I broke away from the American party and got in a cab and drove out to a residential suburb of West Berlin. Where a couple of Berliners we we had never met but we had friends in common because the desert else who was his name he had had a career at the World Bank in Washington then he and his wife Ingeborg had just retired back to Germany so they put together they brought together a dozen or fifteen of their friends? A couple of students students there is a physician and professor different walks of life purely the so that I could meet some West Berliners. I've been talking with officials now. This was a chance to meet ordinary people and we talked a little bit about whether in Germany and German wine and so forth and then I said look I was told by the American diplomat. Matt here that you've gotten used to the wall by now but I've seen hat wall how it is that true or you used to it and there was is a silence and I thought Oh my goodness I'm committed just the gaffe that the diplomat wanted to make sure the president didn't commit but then one man. Dan raised his arm and pointed and he said my sister lives just a few kilometers in that direction. And I haven't seen her in more than twenty years. How do you think we feel about this law? And they went around the room and every person told a story about the wall and they hadn't they'd stop talking about it but they hadn't gotten I used to it at all. They all hated it every day. And Ingeborg else lovely woman. I suppose she was in. She just died a couple of years ago. She was charming and kept the conversation light. But at this moment she became angry. And she said if this man Gorbachev is serious with this Talk Glasnost Perestroika. He can prove it by coming here and getting rid of this wall and I knew the moment. She said that that if Ronald Reagan had been there he would responded to that to the decency and power and truthfulness of that remarks that went into my notebook and that became the basis basis for the line. Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall. I didn't get a chance to talk to the then former president after the wall came down but I did talk. Some years slater to Mrs Reagan and asked what what his response was and she said he was very touched that it wasn't corporate but it was ordinary Germans who do with their bare down that wall and I yes and I thought it was very appropriate. That the the inspiration for that line for the call to tear down the wall came from a a German woman. Peter Thank you so much that was incredible by the way the car you saw moving so slowly was undoubtedly trabant and I'm sure the guy had his yes and was flaw. You know he was. He had the he had the accelerator. Mashhad grounded all three cylinders of that piece of crap. We're probably vibrating. Their little hearts up. You've been a friend for a long time mend And I'd love to do this again some time. And it's an absolute pleasure and honor speaking with you today. Bill you just Holler. I'll come running deal on. Needless to say it was a great honor talking to Peter Robinson a man who was actually there and actually made real history. And it's kind of fun to talk about Khamis. Well if you enjoyed that interview with Peter. There's a a lot more to come head on over to apple podcasts or spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts and subscribe to the Cold War what we saw. You won't want to miss throwing second of it.

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