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"Because I think you hit on something that's interesting. You know, I like fascinated with, you know, the whole situation in Italy with regard to the Vatican and the Pope and all of that. And how they just basically were enablers when Mussolini took over there. They knew the truth about what was happening with the terrible, terrible, you know, killings of the Jews and all that other kind of stuff. But they just kind of dismissed it off to the side, you know? Well, well, it can't be that bad. And so on and so forth. And then on up the Hitler. I mean, they were enablers, and that's been proven for sure that several of the popes at that time, especially one. This whole Catholic Church situation, you know, and the kennedys were deeply into the Catholic Church. And all of that has always concerned me. If I decide to write another book at some particular point, I don't know that I will. I'm going to look more into the whole connection between the Catholic Church and the underworld. Because Sinatra always bragged that he was, well, I might not be Catholic, but I'm like I'm Catholic. And all of that and he was such a bad guy. And so this whole thing was going with Nixon and Kennedy. You know, he's trying to play both sides of the aisle in terms of what he's doing. And I think I look more in that. I appreciate it. I think I look more into cardinal bellman. I assume there's a good biography written of him, and I'll see if I can't take a look at that. So I think you might have landed on something there because that connection, that protection by the by the Catholic Church and so on and so forth. Those underworld characters obviously a lot of money. Frank Costello in New York was feeding a lot of money into the Catholic Church, and that was interesting. So I appreciate you're doing that as far as an absence Sinatra goes. I devoted to chapters of him fighting for justice. And after was a mafia wannabe in the book I've got, you know, his photograph with several mafia, so he was like Melvin Belli. He liked to say, well, I didn't have anything to do with the mafia about the photograph, you know, they say otherwise. He loved these thought about that. But when I used to go to Las Vegas and hang out with the mom together, that's what Sinatra did, you know? And he knew all those guys. You know, that we're talking to him one day and helping them his career go forward and then killing all these other people and all of that. You know, mommy a back then too, it's interesting. And mom and people are buying a guy and we're kind of celebrities back then. You know, they couldn't be that bad, you know, Al Capone and all that. And they were kind of celebrities. And so, you know, Sinatra hangs out with those guys and then of course when Joe Kennedy calls in and say, hey, we need some help in Chicago and West Virginia, you know, and Sinatra wants to, you know, get in close with identities. And so he helps them go to connection in them, Marcelo, and the Inca, Travis gotta go with some money, whatever it was. I mean, you talk about people in problems with the 2020 election and people voting twice how they got the people in Chicago to vote about 50 times. You know, for candidates so that they could win the election. And so, you know, it's Sinatra, got away with all of that, except there was one woman who wasn't letting him get away with anything and that was Dorothy kilgallen. They were actually Friends. Early in his career, building used to go to Barbara walker's father's nightclub in New York City when the Sinatra first appeared there. And he promoted his career in her column. There's a picture in finding her justice of the two of them together just as happy as they can be, but then she turned on him. She talked to start talking about the bimbos he was dating and how he was a womanizer and how he was involved in the mafia. And all of that, he's struck back and said, lady was the chinless wonder. You know, she wasn't pretty, she was ugly. She didn't have a chance. He used a joke in his Las Vegas acting and it said, hey, if you run into Dorothy kilgallen, do it with a bus. I mean, it really got nasty between both of them. Because he wasn't going to put up with all of the ball that Sinatra was getting away with and everything like that. So I put that with that and finding her justice because it's so interesting. People should know the background of the man who connected Joe Kennedy with the mafia and there's more in there about him in terms of the kind of person he was and how he hung out with the kennedys. I quoted a book in hiding in her justice that Kennedy neurosis and it was written in 1973 and I'm very careful to use material that's close to the assassination. And it talks about the kennedys and why they were sexual predators that Joe Kennedy brought them up that way. And how they treated women and how they treated their wives and their mother and all that kind of thing. And so now they're thrown in with that because he was just a womanizer who had one woman at a time. Many women at a time and then just threw them away. And you know, he got yelled at himself and you may know by JFK because when they wanted on JFK was going to stay at Sinatra's home, y'all Kennedy put a stop to that. And Thomas rings and said, no, you didn't need to hang out with a monster want to be like Sinatra and Sinatra was banned from being involved with the kennedys. So if they call it a 5th pool of snakes that Marilyn and Earl got involved with. And that's why he died. And she was the actress that knew too much and you have, you have brought together, when we first, when we first did an episode about the reporter who knew too much, I don't know about you, Mark, but I never saw it. I never thought you'd be connecting so many different dots here. Bringing in so many different players. No, no, neither did I and, you know, it's interesting. The Commonwealth called a San Francisco, I gave a talk there about a week ago, and the man used the term crowdsourcing. And I frankly didn't know what it was, and he said, when he was introducing me, but Mark, what happens is you put your material out there and everything and then you hear from a lot of people who give you tips and ideas and large upon what you've found out and all of this and that is very much true. I mean, I'm so fortunate. I think there's about 8 million YouTube views of my presentations and interviews, including one of the Commonwealth club that has like 400,000 in a week. And so when I hear that and I'll bet I hear it when you're program aired, I hear from people who give me tips about things. Like Morris Wolfe, he watched the presentation of mine in a Dallas library and that's why he got a hold of me because he noticed the name Dorothy kilgallen. So I'm benevolent to do the two men of the truth like you who put me on the program because I'm sure that I will hear from people who will give me more information than I have had. I'm telling you it's interesting. I don't know if you remember in the film the Irish man. The narrow and that particular film would have such a hit about the mafia and everything and Jimmy Hoffa. There's a dangerous underworld character named Russell buffalo. And today as a matter of fact, I got an email from a guy who said, mister Shaw, you need to talk to me. I knew I was a very close friend of Russell. These things just come out of a sky somewhere or another, although I will tell you and people sometimes think I'm crazy. I think there would be sent to me some of this information. Isn't that wild? Yes, something's going on here, Mark. Exactly.
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"melvin belli" Discussed on Discussions of Truth
"On that. After a minute because I think you hit on something that's interesting. You know, I like fascinated with, you know, the whole situation in Italy with regard to the Vatican and the Pope and all of that. And how they just basically were enablers when Mussolini took over there. They knew the truth about what was happening with the terrible, terrible, you know, killings of the Jews and all that other kind of stuff. But they just kind of dismissed it off to the side, you know? Well, well, it can't be that bad. And so on and so forth. And then on up the Hitler. I mean, they were enablers, and that's been proven for sure that several of the popes at that time, especially one. This whole Catholic Church situation, you know, and the kennedys were deeply into the Catholic Church. And all of that has always concerned me. If I decide to write another book at some particular point, I don't know that I will. I'm going to look more into the whole connection between the Catholic Church and the underworld. Because Sinatra always bragged that he was, well, I might not be Catholic, but I'm like I'm Catholic. And all of that and he was such a bad guy. And so this whole thing was going with Nixon and Kennedy. You know, he's trying to play both sides of the aisle in terms of what he's doing. And I think I look more in that. I appreciate it. I think I look more into cardinal bellman. I assume there's a good biography written of him, and I'll see if I can't take a look at that. So I think you might have landed on something there because that connection, that protection by the by the Catholic Church and so on and so forth. Those underworld characters obviously a lot of money. Frank Costello in New York was feeding a lot of money into the Catholic Church, and that was interesting. So I appreciate you're doing that as far as an absence Sinatra goes. I devoted to chapters of him fighting for justice. And after was a mafia wannabe in the book I've got, you know, his photograph with several mafia, so he was like Melvin Belli. He liked to say, well, I didn't have anything to do with the mafia about the photograph, you know, they say otherwise. He loved these thought about that. But when I used to go to Las Vegas and hang out with the mom together, that's what Sinatra did, you know? And he knew all those guys. You know, that we're talking to him one day and helping them his career go forward and then killing all these other people and all of that. You know, mommy a back then too, it's interesting. And mom and people are buying a guy and we're kind of celebrities back then. You know, they couldn't be that bad, you know, Al Capone and all that. And they were kind of celebrities. And so, you know, Sinatra hangs out with those guys and then of course when Joe Kennedy calls in and say, hey, we need some help in Chicago and West Virginia, you know, and Sinatra wants to, you know, get in close with identities. And so he helps them go to connection in them, Marcelo, and the Inca, Travis gotta go with some money, whatever it was. I mean, you talk about people in problems with the 2020 election and people voting twice how they got the people in Chicago to vote about 50 times. You know, for candidates so that they could win the election. And so, you know, it's Sinatra, got away with all of that, except there was one woman who wasn't letting him get away with anything and that was Dorothy kilgallen. They were actually Friends. Early in his career, building used to go to Barbara walker's father's nightclub in New York City when the Sinatra first appeared there. And he promoted his career in her column. There's a picture in finding her justice of the two of them together just as happy as they can be, but then she turned on him. She talked to start talking about the bimbos he was dating and how he was a womanizer and how he was involved in the mafia. And all of that, he's struck back and said, lady was the chinless wonder. You know, she wasn't pretty, she was ugly. She didn't have a chance. He used a joke in his Las Vegas acting and it said, hey, if you run into Dorothy kilgallen, do it with a bus. I mean, it really got nasty between both of them. Because he wasn't going to put up with all of the ball that Sinatra was getting away with and everything like that. So I put that with that and finding her justice because it's so interesting. People should know the background of the man who connected Joe Kennedy with the mafia and there's more in there about him in terms of the kind of person he was and how he hung out with the kennedys. I quoted a book in hiding in her justice that Kennedy neurosis and it was written in 1973 and I'm very careful to use material that's close to the assassination. And it talks about the kennedys and why they were sexual predators that Joe Kennedy brought them up that way. And how they treated women and how they treated their wives and their mother and all that kind of thing. And so now they're thrown in with that because he was just a womanizer who had one woman at a time. Many women at a time and then just threw them away. And you know, he got yelled at himself and you may know by JFK because when they wanted on JFK was going to stay at Sinatra's home, y'all Kennedy put a stop to that. And Thomas rings and said, no, you didn't need to hang out with a monster want to be like Sinatra and Sinatra was banned from being involved with the kennedys. So if they call it a 5th pool of snakes that Marilyn and Earl got involved with. And that's why he died. And she was the actress that knew too much and you have, you have brought together, when we first, when we first did an episode about the reporter who knew too much, I don't know about you, Mark, but I never saw it. I never thought you'd be connecting so many different dots here. Bringing in so many different players. No, no, neither did I and, you know, it's interesting. The Commonwealth called a San Francisco, I gave a talk there about a week ago, and the man used the term crowdsourcing. And I frankly didn't know what it was, and he said, when he was introducing me, but Mark, what happens is you put your material out there and everything and then you hear from a lot of people who give you tips and ideas and large upon what you've found out and all of this and that is very much true. I mean, I'm so fortunate. I think there's about 8 million YouTube views of my presentations and interviews, including one of the Commonwealth club that has like 400,000 in a week. And so when I hear that and I'll bet I hear it when you're program aired, I hear from people who give me tips about things. Like Morris Wolfe, he watched the presentation of mine in a Dallas library and that's why he got a hold of me because he noticed the name Dorothy kilgallen.
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"melvin belli" Discussed on Discussions of Truth
"Book fighting for justice because, you know, frankly, I've had anything any children or anybody who's ever looked into the JFK assassination or Marilyn Monroe's death or whatever because years ago what 5 6 years ago, I came across this remarkable woman Dorothy kilgallen. And all I knew about her at the time and I admit this was that she was a she was a panelist on the popular CBS show what's my line on CBS every night at every Sunday Night at 10 o'clock watch by about 10 million people, which was a huge audience that and he was great at that guessing the occupations. And so when I was working on a book about Melvin Belli, who was Jack Ruby's attorney, you know, who I practiced wrong with have been in 1980s. The gentleman who was a good friend of Belle I said, well, you know, about northern kilgallen and Melvin Belli. And he said, yeah, she was at the Jack Ruby trial, and I said, I gotta look into this woman. Well, it was just, you know, the Pandora's box, to use a good term. She was a remarkable woman, colleague, dropout, became a celebrated journalist for the New York journal of America in New York City, had her own column that was syndicated to 200 newspapers across the country. She had a radio show listened to by a million people every day. And she had covered the doctor Sam shepherd case, which became the huge thing of television show and Moby. And the Terrell Lindbergh case. So I started looking into Dorothy in the first thing I found out was that how did Dorothy kill gallon know Melvin Belli? Well, Dorothy was at the ruby trial. And I'm like, you and me and anybody else who's ever looked into the assassination, she was there. In the front row, listening to Jack Ruby's testimony, not believing a great deal of it. And he has a statement that he has made. Not believing a great deal of it. And immediately, he turned herself towards the akaroa because he was the only reporter out of 400 to interview ruby adhesive trial. And what he told her then, senator New Orleans, and we can get into exactly what that investigation was all about. So that was the first book that reporter in it too much, which I'm blessed to say is the bestseller. And people still read that book very a great deal. Then I found the really trial transcripts and put those in a book called denial of justice. I'd also written a book called the boys and daydream about Joe Kennedy fixing the 1960 election. And then I was able to connect with deaths of Maryland and 62 Dorothy JFK and 63 and Dorothy in 65. And I was surprised that I could do that because I didn't even know that Dorothy and Maryland knew each other, but I was able to do that. And then I get the mother load here in February. And because I got a call from a gentleman who told me that he was a legislative assistant to the Warren commission member, doctor excuse me, senator John Sherman Cooper of Kentucky. And he said, also, mister Joao and the female, I knew Dorothy killed Calvin. And if you can imagine my ears perked up because there's not too many people around that would remember Dorothy. So this man was named amore soul, a very distinguished statesman and author, and we used to work for Bobby Kennedy when Kennedy was in the attorney general's office. And he started telling me about Dorothy and the fact that he went to parties and senator Cooper's home in Georgia town and said right next to Dorothy kilgallen and I wanted to yell and scream and I said, all right, he said yes. He could describe her as a bright lightbulb. He said he was even invested. He was even quizzing me during the meal because he wanted to know what I know about senator Cooper and the Warren commission. And all of that, and he said, yeah, and senator Cooper, mister y'all, I rolled with him to the hearings at the Warren commission. In his Saab, he was a tall man, had trouble getting in there, but we went to the hearings. I sometimes could sit in the back and listen to what was going on. And then he started just telling me, nobody's ever got inside the Warren commission. The code of silence they had in all of that. And yet I got an eyewitness who was right there. And he started telling me about things like the commission members know about Jack or at least connection to organized crime, but they don't want to touch it. It's more than as raw but Hoover and early war on the chief justice pushed the Oswald alone concluded Linda Johnson wants to cover up the truth and move on. And then there are other statements that they were going to go ahead and release the odd rat alone report for God and country and all these kinds of things. And so I was just amazed that mister Webb called me all of that, but the main thing that he told me about Dorothy to answer your question is that Dorothy knew about the corruption in the warring commission because one of the statements was I didn't find it here. The commission members say this Oslo the conclusion is good for God and country, but there is internal corruption and I don't know why, and that was John Sherman Cooper, who I found out was a very close friend of JFK's. And all of that information was credible. I've been able to substantiate it through all histories of Cooper is that university of Kentucky and university of Florida, so in fighting her justice, all of that in there, but the scary part of that is that wolf told me that Dorothy knew about the corruption at the Warren committee. So as November of 65, comes along and he not only knows about ruby's testimony at the trial when you can flex with his roaring commission testimony that he exposed. Now if he knows about the corruption and everything and he was writing this book Random House kind of a telehealth about the assassination told people, you know, the wrong people knew of what I know about the assassination would cost me my life. I'm afraid for my life and the country I'm going to get a gun at all of that and shortly after she got back from New Orleans investigating Carlos Marcelo, who she believed in orchestrated JFK's death. They found her dead in a row in a bedroom and she never slept in wearing clothes. She would have wanted to go out an empty second or a bottle was there. He had her makeup on her, her hair piece and her, you know, her things that didn't make any sense. It was a stage death scene for sure. But unfortunately, the conclusion was that she had died of an overdose. I threw it in my book that she was murdered. There were three barbiturates in her system, not just one. But now because of the new information and lighting for justice, I just know how much danger he was in as November of 1965 came along. So my question, the preliminary question is this, Mark, you have proven that she was murdered that the man that murdered her is still alive. He's been notified that you have the information. Bring us up to date in regards to that. I don't want to regret in my life is that he died about four months ago. I had been talking with him as a man named Ron pataki, who we had proven. Was certainly a confidant of Dorothy kilgallen. He was a Midwest journalist. People will read about him kind of looking to be with Dorothy so that he could move up in the social circles. She unfortunately shared with him a lot of her JFK assassination and evidence and we were able to find out that he was compromised, probably by J. Edgar Hoover because he was attacking within some trouble of some sort. And compromise the Dorothy by giving we believe in your Hoover. Information about Dorothy knowing that the whole thing with the army Oswald didn't make sense. It was more than Oswald alone. She knew about Jack Ruby and she also told him, you know, Kentucky called over that she knew about the corruption in the war in commission. Well, there's a book she was writing the Random House would have had all that in there. And so the copper there is that unfortunately pataki is dead, a very guilt ridden lonely man when he died, but he died before I could put him in prison. That Dorothy, you know, he was the reporter, and then too much. And therefore, you know, they had to silence
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"melvin belli" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Yeah. Please keep going. First person who visits ruby and his jail cell. And the commission should have known this is a guy named campese, who works for Carlos Marcello. Okay, hang on. Hang on. So this is big. This is big. Jack Ruby is in jail because he sneaks into the police headquarters, murders Oswald. He's taken jail. The first person to visit him is campese, who is a mob guy. Yeah. And civila were Marcelo's guys in Dallas, his empire stretched his to that. And so common sense wise, they're telling ruby, hey, guess what? We're going to do. We're going to get you a great attorney. And who is that attorney? Melvin Belli in San Francisco that I practice law with in the 1980s. They bring belli in. He goes to ruby, and he said, well, here's going to be our defense. First of all, no, no. You can't testify. I know you want to, but you can't testify. And second, you were crazy when you did this. It's the psychomotor epilepsy defense. Well, what is the jury do? They convict him. He's the last loose end that has to be tied up after Oswald and ruby R now, how many shots and who did all this and everything? Those are not things that I will ever be able to prove. But anybody that with a brain can see that there's a common sense thread from Joe Kennedy's double cross all the way through to the death of his son, and I'll tell you another way to prove that if you don't mind. Go look at the photograph of Joe Kennedy when Ted Kennedy comes into the bedroom, you know Joe had the stroke and tells him JFK is dead. They bring in The New York Times and he goes like this. I mean, he knew. He knew he caused the death of his son by double crossing the mafia. You can't do that. And so Joe knew that and that thread is common sense in my opinion. Well, so then, but just to backtrack, so I'm clear. So Jack Ruby, okay, so Oswald is arrested. Jack Ruby uses his connections. He's on the phone with people. He wants to kill Oswald according to your theory and it seems perfectly correct because we have to silence Oswald. We have to stick to the lone gunman theory and whatever, so I'm going to I'll take the fall, so to speak, and I will go and I will do so ruby kills Oswald. He's in prison, visited by campese, who is one of the soldiers for Marcellus, who's the enemy of Marcelo, who's the mafia enemy of the kennedys. And he is told, you know, will get you off on this crazy defense, literally. He doesn't get off. No, he doesn't. And I have an eyewitness who was there when Melvin Belli is having dinner in San Francisco and a waiter comes up and says, you know, Jack Ruby, a guy named Jack Ruby just shot Oswald. You know what, Belle I said? Well, now I guess I'll have to defend ruby instead of Oswald. He was on call. He knew, I think, well, I knew about the assassination. So he was a mobbed up lawyer, Marvin Belle I was a bum and a mother player. I was Vicki Cohen. You've heard of you write about him too. These are such dark, dark figures, horrible, horrible people. It's just difficult to read about them. It's painful because it's so dark. But let me ask you, ruby, so he goes to jail, what year does he die under what circumstances does he die? Well, supposedly, you know, I'm not sure exactly the date. Let's see where it's basically. 67 or 68. And it's of cancer. He tries to kill himself by running into a wall three times. The man is obviously has mental issues then, but they say that he had cancer. Whether he did or not, I don't know. There's no way to prove that he didn't, but he's the loose end, you see, that has to be has to be taken care of. And so why do you suppose Jack Ruby wouldn't talk? In other words, this is an interesting thing that just a few years later, he's pretty young. He dies in prison, where do you think he was in all this? I mean, he was obviously a very, very dirty, corrupt figure, but he goes to jail, expecting to be there for a very, very long time, I guess. When Dorothy kilgallen died, I witnessed a doctor friend of Melvin Belli. They're talking about what happened talking about Dorothy and all of that. And Belle ice says to him, well, they've killed Dorothy now. Now they'll go after Jack Ruby. I think Jack Ruby knew that if he said anything at all, talked about this, they would have killed him, and maybe they did. Maybe he didn't die of cancer. I don't know. I mean, does anybody believe that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide? Today? No. So, you know, those guys who can't mess around with them. I think I told you the last time that Nick pillage gave me a wonderful endorsement for this book. He told me that look at the mafia, their middle name is revenge..
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"melvin belli" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Thanks so much, Eric. Appreciate it. Now for folks who don't know anything about you, how did you get into this? Because anybody who's been alive in our lifetimes know that there's been tremendous controversy and confusion around certainly the death of president Kennedy, the death of Marilyn Monroe, and many people haven't even heard of Dorothy kill gallon. What brought you? What is your background that brought you to investigate these things as you have done over the years? Well, you ask about how I got into all of this and I have no idea in some ways very Quinn. President Kennedy was killed 60 years ago, you know, nearly 60 years ago or a little bit more. You know, I like everybody else. I cried my ears out. I was a Purdue university as a freshman. And yet over the years then, I bought all this material about J. Edgar Hoover saying Oswald alone. Oswald alone all of that and everything else. And then I had a real break with this because I knew Melvin Belli, who represented Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. I practiced law with him in San Francisco in the 80s. And when Belle I died, I started to look into his life and times and I found out that I could have a book there. So I wrote Melvin bell I king of the courtroom. And what I found out was the alarming, a couple things. First of all, he was very close with the mafia, one of his main clients was Mickey Cohen, the Los Angeles gangster. You're talking about but more than talking about Bella, are you talking about Marvin belli was close with the mafia? Melvin bell. Melvin Belli. Bella. Yeah. San Francisco attorney, but also he was known as a tort lawyer. He was a personal injury lawyer. How in the world I asked myself, I mean, you're a curious guy. How did he become Jack Ruby's attorney? So I started looking into that and what I found out was that actually he was a hired by those who wanted to silence Jack Ruby for his participation in the killing of Oswald and the JFK assassination. So take people back to their young people listening to this program, perhaps they've never heard of John F. Kennedy or Abraham Lincoln. We're not going to address those ignoramuses. And I say that in love. But there are plenty of young people that don't know the details that however many years ago, in 1963, at this time of year, Kennedy is assassinated, the man most believed had killed him, Oswald, was himself killed by Jack Ruby, obviously we're not going to get anything out of Oswald now because he's dead. Jack Ruby is a complicated figure. He owns a nightclub in Dallas. Kind of tied in with the mafia, and you're saying that Marvin belli, who was a prominent lawyer, I remember him on the Dick Cavett show in the 70s, I think, that Marvin belli was the lawyer for this Jack Ruby. And so you're explaining to us how that came about. And this is complicated, folks. This is one of the reasons Mark Shaw wrote a book about it called fighting for justice because it is complicated. And by the way, the complication is one of the reasons so many people have tuned out because they think it's too complicated. I can't I'll just accept whatever. We can't we'll never figure it out. But you have been really dogged at this. Well, I have and I'm sorry, it is Melvin Belli, but they used to some people used to call him Mark. So that's just fine. But what I found out right away was how did he become Jack Ruby's lawyer? And then at trial, he wouldn't let ruby testify. And he used this psychomotor epilepsy insanity defense that made no sense at all. And the jury decided, you know? Yeah. You know, this guy was guilty of shooting as well. And so they gave him the death penalty. So it was interesting to me because that just seemed too pat to me and I was concerned about Melvin bellies connection to the mafia..
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Why Author Mark Shaw Sought the Truth in the JFK Assassination
"For folks who don't know anything about you, how did you get into this? Because anybody who's been alive in our lifetimes know that there's been tremendous controversy and confusion around certainly the death of president Kennedy, the death of Marilyn Monroe, and many people haven't even heard of Dorothy kill gallon. What brought you? What is your background that brought you to investigate these things as you have done over the years? Well, you ask about how I got into all of this and I have no idea in some ways very Quinn. President Kennedy was killed 60 years ago, you know, nearly 60 years ago or a little bit more. You know, I like everybody else. I cried my ears out. I was a Purdue university as a freshman. And yet over the years then, I bought all this material about J. Edgar Hoover saying Oswald alone. Oswald alone all of that and everything else. And then I had a real break with this because I knew Melvin Belli, who represented Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. I practiced law with him in San Francisco in the 80s. And when Belle I died, I started to look into his life and times and I found out that I could have a book there. So I wrote Melvin bell I king of the courtroom. And what I found out was the alarming, a couple things. First of all, he was very close with the mafia, one of his main clients was Mickey Cohen, the Los Angeles gangster. You're talking about but more than talking about Bella, are you talking about Marvin belli was close with the mafia? Melvin bell. Melvin Belli. Bella. Yeah. San Francisco attorney, but also he was known as a tort lawyer. He was a personal injury lawyer. How in the world I asked myself, I mean, you're a curious guy. How did he become Jack Ruby's attorney? So I started looking into that and what I found out was that actually he was a hired by those who wanted to silence Jack Ruby for his participation in the killing of Oswald and the JFK assassination. So
The Charlie Kirk Show
"melvin belli" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show
"Point USA advisory board, go to my pillow dot com promo code Kirk, my pillow dot com promo code Kirk. We were just talking about the Apple TV film about your father and how they butchered the story. I just find that so interesting because the narrative is a true one that your father had to go through incredible racial hurdles to accomplish success. However, there is a factual component that they just revised that he was married to a white woman. And I could just imagine the Apple TV screenwriters being like, yeah, that's an inconvenient fact. It doesn't really fit the narrative. Well, you know, it's interesting because the filmmaker is a guy named George nolfi, who did the adjustment bureau, who was sued before for things like this, but whatever. But in doing the film with my older half brother, the big, the big turning point in the whole thing, which is why Apple originally shelved the film was because he sexually molested my sister and I, so imagine you have this woman whose face is as white as your father did or the brother. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Got it. My mom took my father's son from his first marriage into our home for a few years when my sister and I were a little girls at that point to help because he was having problems with his mom. Imagine my mother's feelings, fast forward, 30 years, my father's not here. My mother is the only person alive who can tell the story of what really happened because Melvin Belli, who defended my dad is dead, Joe tunnel, who also defended Jack Ruby, is now dead. He defended my father. I have letters from these men. I have tons of, it's a crazy story, Charlie, because I think about my mom looking at Nia long, I think it is, playing her, and my mom's going, she's black, what am I the inconvenient truth? Well, the point is that they wouldn't want in a Hollywood film to show the protagonist that actually was treated well by white people and poorly. Right. Because that's life. That was actually life in the 1950s and 60s. And it's a mixed bag. Complicated. Yeah, that's right. It's complicated. It's true. Race is not. It wouldn't have made for the slam dunk. Exactly. Story. Exactly. But actually it would have been really interesting for the viewer, right? It was so much more interesting you would think because especially today, what viewers need today is to see how complicated life actually is. Your mother fought for him too. My mother lost other white men. My mother marched with king. You know? I mean, a totally. Like, she's an amazing woman. It's sick that they have to do that. It really is. That's such an important thing. Anyway, I didn't mean to get sidetracked by that. A lot of young women are listening to this. And they say, I'll get married later in my life. I'm gonna put my career first, you know, is there anything wrong with that? What's your opinion on kind of that overdrive of career that seems, it's the least married generation in history. Yeah, I mean, look, I understand it in a lot of ways. I put my career first for many, many years. I actually ended up my first marriage was a disaster. And so I used that to continue to put my career first. And I'm married to an amazing man now. I found him late in.
Casefile True Crime
"melvin belli" Discussed on Casefile True Crime
"But admitted that he'd read a short story named the most dangerous game. Which had left a lasting impression on him. The title featured descriptions of a board hunter who decided to start targeting humans instead of animals. And it had been speculatively linked to the first confirmed the zodiac sci-fi. As detectives chatted with Allen, they happened to notice he was wearing a distinctive looking watch. He claimed it had been a gift from his mother two years earlier. Detective toschi asked if they could take a closer look. Allen obliged, and delayed his arm closer to the detectives. The face of the watch was imprinted with a crosshair symbol. Written across the watch was the brand name. Zodiac. Detective John Malin axe finished typing up his report of the interview with Alan, concluding with the line. After interviewing Allen, it is the opinion of all three investigators that further investigation should be conducted. Ted kita, who had previously employed Alan as a lifeguard and trampolin instructor, told the inspectors that Allen was fired, after numerous people complained about his inappropriate behavior towards children. It was no surprise to kida that Allen was now considered a suspect in the zodiac killings. The thought of Allen's possible involvement had crossed his mind before, and he'd recently discussed the matter with another coworker. As far as they were concerned, Alan was a sexual deviant, a loner, and a likely suspect. The other former coworker, a man named Philip, was also pulled aside and questioned by investigators. He remembered discussing the zodiac case with Allen, who'd mentioned he was questioned about the like berryessa attack. In another conversation, Alan told Philip about a great idea he had. If a person were to attach a special light to the barrel of their gun, they would be able to see their target in the dark of night and shoot them down. Notably, this is one of the tactics the zodiac claimed to have used when gunning down David Faraday and to Betty Lou Jansen. Philip owned a brown corvair, similar to the one driven by the perpetrator who had shot darlene ferrin and Michael majo in blue Lake springs. Around the time of this attack, Philip was trying to sell his vehicle. He left at parked on display at a service station for two weeks, with the keys inside the station for anyone who might like to test drive it. One of the employees who worked there at that time was Arthur Lee Allen. But that wasn't all. Philip and his wife had visited Alan at his mother's house when he suddenly announced he had something to show them. Alan went to his basement bedroom and produced the gray metal box. Inside was a piece of paper regarding a person who Alan claimed had been committed to a tuscadero state hospital in San Luis Obispo county for sexually abusing a child. Riddled throughout the paragraphs were symbols. They were meticulously neat and resembled the zodiac ciphers to a T. Phillips wife was fascinated by the symbols and asked if she could take the paper home to study it. But Alan refused and shoved it back into the box. Alan's sister in law Karen told detectives that Alan openly detested his mother. Hated women and had never had a relationship with anyone his own age. Instead, he had a disturbing fixation with children. Karen admitted that Alan needed psychiatric help, but she did not believe he was the zodiac. However, when looking through the numerous letters sent by the zodiac over the years, one court Karen's attention on the Christmas led us sent to Melvin Belli, the zodiac had incorrectly spelled Merry Christmas with two S's. Karen had received a Christmas card from Allen, in which he had misspelled Christmas the same way. Detectives followed up Allen's old employer had the service station who put one concern to rest. Allen had been fired months before Philip's Brown corvair was left unattended at the station. Due to his habit of arriving at work intoxicated, missing shifts altogether, and being, quote, too interested in small girls. Allen had an always been an unreliable employee. When he worked at valley springs elementary school in 1966, he had only ever taken one sick day. On November 1, the day after sherri Joe Bates body was discovered in riverside. Despite the 400 mile distance between valet springs and riverside. Allen had mentioned to detectives that he'd been in Southern California at the time of sherri Joe's murder. Detective searched a try la that Arthur lay Allen owned in Santa Rosa. 45 miles from his mother's house in Vallejo. But didn't find any concrete evidence linking him to any of the zodiac crimes. Regardless, he had started to emerge as the most promising suspect so far. Our background check confirmed Allen had been in the navy in the late 1950s, but was dishonorably discharged. He also wore a size ten and a half shoe. The same as the prince that had been found in the.
Casefile True Crime
"melvin belli" Discussed on Casefile True Crime
"Were found. It was close to midnight on Tuesday, October 21, 1969. When a phone rang had Oakland police department, 12 and a half miles east of San Francisco. An officer answered and was graded by a male on the other line, who introduced himself as the Zodiac Killer. He then made a strange request. He wanted one of two specific defense attorneys to appear on San Francisco talk show, the Jim Dunbar show, the following morning. If this request was granted, the Cola said he would be open to negotiating live on air. To prove he was genuine, he provided knowledge about the zodiac case that police deemed to be legitimate. Investigators agreed to the call as demands. One of the attorneys he wanted to speak to was Melvin Belli. He was famous for defending Jack Ruby, an American nightclub owner who killed presidential assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. Bellaire agreed to appear on the show. The next morning, the Jim Dunbar show went live to wear at 7 o'clock. Hold the other guests on the show were canceled as Dunbar and belli made small talk. After 49 minutes, the phone finally rang. The caller identified himself as the zodiac. But Belle I asked for another name they could use. He told them to call him Sam. Talk to us. Just tell us what's going on inside you right now, saying, I have Alec. How long have you had those headaches of Sam? And a long time? If I killed a kid, if it all boils down to the question of you're giving yourself up if you could be as sure that you wouldn't get capital punishment for my son. So.
Discussions of Truth
"melvin belli" Discussed on Discussions of Truth
"Became a criminal defense lawyer of some node and then a legal analyst for the Tyson and Colby Bryant and O. J. Simpson cases and all of that. And then I began writing my books in 1992 and the first one was a biography of Mike Tyson. At his trial, I covered that for the networks and for USA Today. And that was my first book. I was very upset with the verdict in that case. I didn't think there was any evidence against him. And I've just been publishing one book after another. I think next year will be about 30 years of doing this and almost 30 books. They say I'm a prolific author, which is nice to hear. But everything changed in 2006 when I wrote writing a book about Melvin Belli, the attorney for Jack Ruby, who, as we all know, saw on television shot to Lee Harvey Oswald, just after the JFK assassination in 1963. And so I knew mister belly from practicing law with him in San Francisco in the 1980s. And I was very quizzical Ian as I know you would be as a curious guy. How he became ruby's lawyer because he was a personal injury lawyer. And then how he defended him with some ludicrous psychomotor epilepsy defense that made no sense to anybody, including the jury, wouldn't let ruby testify in all of that. And so what I found out about bellei and his main client at the time was a mafioso named Mickey Cohen made me really curious about what had happened how ruby how Belle I became Ruiz attorney. And then I began looking into that whole situation and went back to the 1960 election and onto then coming in contact with Dorothy kilgallen, who was the most credible reporter about the JFK assassination because unlike me and all the other authors and experts and everything who's written about the JFK assassination Dorothy was actually there at the ruby trial. The only one who interviewed Jack Ruby. And so taking her research and including it with mine, I've written the books. First of all, the poison patriarch about Joe Kennedy in 1960 election and the bestseller, the reporter of a new too much about Dorothy's investigation of the JFK assassination then denial of justice that exposed the ruby trial transcripts for the first time and showed that ruby was part of a plot to kill the president and the new one collateral damage, which for the first time I looked at something nobody else had done. I looked at the JFK assassination in context with the mysterious death of Marilyn Monroe in 1962 and Dorothy kilgallen in 1965. You have to realize they died within 40 months of each other. And based on my research, which was a little aspect where frankly, because I looked at Dorothy kill gallons, I sorry, looked at the JFK assassination first that was 63, then Dorothy gilg Allen's death and her investigation in 65. And they're Maryland in 62, but it really opens up exactly what happened with the JFK assassination, which of course we celebrated with the celebrated. But the 58th anniversary was yesterday. And it really opens up everything because when you look at it that way, it changes what we've known about the JFK assassination because each of the three deaths are connected for the first time in collateral damage. And that's amazing how you've been able to connect those. I want to get your opinion on this, and I think the last time you were on the show, you I'm just going to throw this out there. I've recently I've recently had on his theology within the past 6 months, he joined my show..
The Moratorium
"melvin belli" Discussed on The Moratorium
"No no salmonella lab dinner tonight the green turtle. Bob asked him for a ride to the library to look for some lost item. I e a watch a timex watch all. This is still just circumstantial true. That's that's definitely are for sure. Well they caught up with bob later and compared dna from the crime scene as well as directly to bob barnett skin hair and saliva and the results were conclusive. That bob barnett was not the man who killed sherry joe bates so all of this led nowhere yes another frequent rabbit hole just took me around in circles aches as ross holiday there is another. There's a whole List on this zodiac killer dot com. This is where. I was telling tom votes website. There's a whole list of things. That is the case against bob barnett. That still sounds suspect. Barnett was mentioned. Several times in sherry joe's diary which is still in police custody and ultimately leads nowhere. But there's a lot of compelling evidence that makes you think there is unfortunately with all of these aspects and some of them had raw solvents case i think mountains of circumstantial evidence but nothing that ever really directly links them. I think i read somewhere to that. They tried to test the skin That was underneath Sherry joe bates granted. There was no dna testing. Done in one thousand nine hundred. Sixty eight but I think that it was too degraded to get a dna profile off of as of like though the nineties. But what do i know. It's with science today. Who knows what's possible right. I think they've got hair to which was sandy blond and raw sullivan. Had sandy blond hair but ross sullivan died like in nineteen seventy seven. A really young age is like thirty six. What did he die from. Say just curious but he died at a young age and people are saying well. You know we didn't hear from the zodiac after nineteen seventy seven's which also makes roth sullivan seem like a prime suspect. I think the last letter was seventy four though. But he did go on a hiatus though between those letters like between seventy seventy four seventy today changes mo and continue killing somewhere else or was he in a mental institution. Da at i think all of them assumed that zodiac was probably incarcerated fearing allen have been incarcerated during a time but wherever the zodiac was he must have been unable to either kill more people in send more letters because he was incarcerated or he was locked up in a mental institution or something like that. Otherwise i don't really know why the hiatus that would just come out of nowhere. What he would just let her after letter after letter than nothing. It's strange and compelling so closing the book on raw sullivan and you were talking about arthur. Leigh allen now. Why was gray smith so set on alan like we said he did not fit the description. Why was he so set on him. Gray smith was so certain. I think that arthur was the killer. Because so he goes to talk to melvin belli but mellon i is at home. He's waiting on Valet show up but he strikes up a conversation with his housemaid show and he tells. Hurry i'm here to talking about zodiac. And she's like oh. Yeah you know aria. He called and she said the zodiac called melt advice she answered the phone said eac was their earth. Zodiac malibu was sorry and zodiac tells her that he has to kill because it's his birthday and she tells gray smith says he said he had killed because of his birthday gray smith being that it was christmas time now granted he could have been incorrect..
True Crime Fan Club Podcast
"melvin belli" Discussed on True Crime Fan Club Podcast
"You guys don't step down as speakers. Keep linda chat. But i'm also not seeing speaker quest so if you wanna pop up in give your thoughts feel free to. I'm always open happy to hear from everybody. So then the letter. He sends over to melvin. Belli was a month later essentially and he basically says it's a letter like a plea letter. He says he's afraid he's gonna kill again. And he's asking. Melvin to to help him to intercede of course how's he going interested if he has no idea who you are and so the letter ends with him saying please help me. I cannot remain in control for much longer. But i don't necessarily think that that was an actual letter requesting help. I think this is just another Cleaver attention right. I think it's part of his cat and mouse game that he is very much Not wanting to be stopped because he he enjoys it. Think about The golden state. Killer justice the angelo. He was always from what victims who survived his attacks. Said he was like whispering things to himself about not being able to control himself. Not being able to stop but again. I don't think that he wanted to stop. I think that this is exactly what he wanted to do. Very similar in the sense like mentality wise to be k. I turn harp on it too much. Because i know that case. I'm extremely interested in just from the psychology standpoint of it but Demonstrator thought the same thing he blamed the loss of his actions on what he called factor x And there was a way for him to dissociate from the crimes he committed and say like. Oh dennis rader. The man is god's varying and he's a good husband in good father but factor acts is. What makes dennis bad boy if you will But i you know. I think that that was just a way for him to say i know society wants an explanation answer. The only explanation i can give is that x made me do this. I'm in that will be okay. Because as long as they know. Dennis was a good guy than.
True Crime Fan Club Podcast
"melvin belli" Discussed on True Crime Fan Club Podcast
"Headed to Presidio heights neighborhood in san francisco When he gets to an intersection at washington and cherry the passenger ends up shooting him in the head and removes a piece of his shirt. So taking a trophy if you will The man just walks away before police arrived. And this is one of the things that's played up in. That movie that jake dillon hall is in on zodiac. Because this is where people take that if they had just run a little faster or if they would have trusted their gut we would have caught him right in there So he ends up. The passenger gets out of the car starts walking away And then the police arrive but the broadcast is that there's a black man who's the suspect of the crime and there's an officer who ends up passing who he believes now is zodiac in. That's a white man who resembles everything but the skin color of the description but he lets go So witnesses from that because it was done so openly in public that there were multiple witnesses. Who did see him and were able to give a description of the killer. And that's where we get this sketch from that everybody sees For zodiac so this initially was not linked to the zodiac. Because they thought oh this was probably just a robbery gone bad and they chalked it up until he sends another letter to the san francisco chronicle just two days later on october thirteenth and he basically says i'm zodiac and i'm the murderer of the Also he didn't say. I'm this odakyu says i'm the murderer of the taxi driver and includes the shirt that he the piece of shirt that he took from paul stein. He denies if he left any fingerprints in claimed that the police sketch was inaccurate because he wore a disguise but That i think is just merely a distraction to keep police office trail. I don't think that he was. I'm pretty sure he wasn't. There was multiple people who follow this After the fact you know and he may have worn something but may have taken it off. 'cause i can't imagine that you get out of a taxi cab wearing a disguise or like the hood thing that does zodiac is known to wear or was known rare and just expect people to not see so who knows. Yeah then he sends more letters on the eighth nights and then On the twentieth. So the eighth and ninth. He sends to the chronicle and then on the twentieth of december he sends a letter to famous attorney. Melvin belli The one that he sent to the chronicle i was basically another piece of the cabdriver shirt a greeting card with a cipher in Which had three hundred forty symbols and then added dez july august. September october equals seven. Which was what. A lot of people think is a reference to more victims. There's likely more victims during those months. That happened but obviously we don't know Then he sends a seven page letter a few the next day to the chronicle. This is the longest letter that he's ever scent and that's the only one they have. And he basically says that police stopped him near the crime scene. But let him go. He also includes a bomb recipe diagram of the explosives. People are obviously high alert during this time thinking that he is now going to escalate into bombing and You know getting a bigger audience..
Most Foul Podcast
"melvin belli" Discussed on Most Foul Podcast
"Am the murderer of the taxi driver over by washington street and maple street last night to prove this heroes a bloodstained piece of his shirt. I am the same man who did in the people in the north bay area. The san francisco police could have caught me last night. They had searched the park properly instead of holding road races with their motorcycles. Seeing who could make the most noise. Now i'm pausing what his letter said just to note here you know. He's making it clear that he was there watching them as they were searching for him. So he's trying to. I think again generate fear and also taunt them. The letter continues. the car. drivers should have just parked their cars in. Sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover school. Children make nice targets. I think i shall wipe out a school bus some morning. Just shoot out the front tire and then pick off the kiddies as they come bouncing out which i mean this is just the equivalent of pressing the panic button right. I mean mentioning targeting. Kids on a bus has a way of freaking people. The fuck out naturally on october twentieth someone claiming to be the zodiac called the oakland police department and demanded the f. Lee bailey or melvin. Belli appear on a local morning show. Unbelievably belly actually did it. And i think this really speaks to. How gripped people were with fear at this time that you know a very well-known lawyer like this would just go on a morning show waiting basically for the zodiac to call and he used that fear to manipulate people in demonstrate his power so while belli was on the show someone claiming to be zodiac called a few times and they arranged me in daly city. Which again for context. This is like the south side of the city's starting on the peninsula area so a completely other part from where most of the crimes take place in far away from where the final crime had taken place but unsurprisingly kodiak no showed on november eighth..
Newsradio 700 WLW
"melvin belli" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW
"News radio 700 wlw. Alright. Makes it just about 8 10 right now. 8 10, Mike McConnell, 700 wlw Friday morning and I have a guest standing by. In the book. I got into my hands at 5 30 this morning just in time and Been kind of busy since 5 30. But Dan Abrams, ABC political analysts, his book out Kennedy's Avenger is what it is The story of the trial of Jack Ruby, who have you weren't around for this unaware or are unaware. Killed Lee Harvey Oswald. He purported. And I believe assassin of JFK. First of all, Dan Abrams. Good to have you on the program. How are you doing? I'm great. Good to be with you. It's my pleasure. Um, I was on the way to start. We should probably just kind of getting people up to speed on, um The background of the story, November 22nd 1963 Lee Harvey Oswald, uh, supposedly killed President Kennedy in Dallas. And I would say he did two days later, the 24th Lee Harvey Oswald is being transported from the local jail. Um Jack Ruby is in the garage, pulls out a gun shoots Oswald and he dies. Many believe was part of a conspiracy theory. But your book has to do more with the trial and the fact that they paid an expensive attorney Melvin Belli, a famous attorney at the time. Who came up with sort of a convoluted defense. Explain the convoluted defense essentially saying that, um Ruby doesn't even remember ever shooting Lee Harvey Oswald, even though millions of people watching on live TV That's right. And it was a controversial defense and in my view, not a very smart defense. But you know, you mentioned the conspiracies as well. A lot of the conspiracies Developed from this trial. There were questions that went unanswered in this case At one point where defense attorneys said the prosecutors, we stipulate that Oswald acted alone. We're not stipulating to anything. Another point, an FBI agent thousands Uh, do you know of any relationship between Oswald and Ruby? Objection. Question goes unanswered. So a lot of the conspiracy theories came from this Jack Ruby trial and and it was fascinating case you had a celebrity lawyer of celebrity witness He had a jailbreak happened during the trial, so we were kind of amazed at how Fascinating and action packed. The Jack Ruby trial was considering that the world watched him shoot Oswald Online television. Sure, sure. Uh, And it's kind of interesting because if you look at the details of things To have played it straight at trial. And here's what actually happened probably would have resulted in a lot less than a life sentence. Would you agree? Totally agree actually probably would have resulted in a sentence of 2 to 5 years. Can you believe that? That at the time what was called murder without malice effectively what we consider manslaughter would have been an up to five year sentence meaning if Ruby had just gotten up there testified, Yes, I did it. But I was in this, You know, emotional state. I was so upset about the president signed. A lot of people in Dallas would have been able to understand that And I think that would have been his conviction. I think that they wouldn't have been able to convict him of murder. But instead they went with this effectively an insanity defense, saying he didn't remember the incident. Yeah. Melvin Bell, I you know, high priced attorney you mentioned that the family agreed to hire him for $50,000. Was that in 1963 money or today money? No, that was the 1919 63 money and it was for it wasn't even from $50,000. It was pretty. You know, the promise that that bell I was convinced he'd be able to get $50,000 from selling the story from doing a documentary, etcetera. The family didn't have $50,000. Okay? Did he ever get the $50,000? You got it. You got most of it in the in the form of you know, Ruby sold his story early on. Or the family at least told this story. Early on. Much of that went to pay legal fees. I think that probably got him about 20 plus 1000 of it. Um, but you know, the family ended up firing enough to the case. Yeah. And then back to the conspiracy theory idea. There are people who would hold hold of the fact that Ruby was sent there to kill him and silence him before he spilled the beans on the real story of the Kennedy assassination about Oswald. But Oswald wasn't even supposed to be there at the time. Ruby walked into that garage correct. No, Ruby wasn't supposed to be there. So the reason if you believe I thought as well was to have been transported much earlier in the day before Ruby ever got their correct, correct, correct. Oswald was supposed to be transported at 10 A.m.. On Sunday. Ruby happens to be at the Western Union down the block. Sending 25 bucks to a woman who had been begging him has worked at his club to send them money. Um, sending or twenties Got a receipt for 11 17 Oswald shot at 11 21. So this notion that sort of like you know he was planning it. But most importantly, two days earlier Friday night when Oswald was arrested, Ruby was there at the police station if he's there to shut us walled up. Why don't you shut him up the night you arrested, right? Would you get Why would you give me two days? We'll talk to the police. Why would you think you'd have another opportunity? Exactly? Exactly. So that's the most convincing evidence to me. You know of of why Ruby simply could not have been part of some grand. If we put aside you know, the fact that Ruby is not the guy you hire. You know, just to get an example on the Friday night when Oswald arrested that the police states right, the prosecutor's holding a press conference, Ruby is chiming up timing in correcting the prosecutor about the name of the organization that Oswald was affiliated with. What hit man is there to bring attention to himself calling out the DEA? Oh, you know what? Wait, wait with sir. It's not the you know the this Cuba organization. It's that Cuba organization. It just makes no sense. He kind of comes off as kind of a doofus and a loser. He wants he was and he was a blabber mouth. You know, he was sort of a tough guy Want to be right? I mean, he served as a bouncer at his club, you know, got a lot of fights. Which was very into proving he was Jewish very into proving that the Jews were tough. He talked about that a lot wanted to show Jews aren't week. Um and, um, you know, and didn't have a family didn't have kids didn't have a real relationship. He was obsessed with his dogs. In a way, which is actually relevant in the sense that his favorite dog we referred to as his child. He actually when he went to the Western Union left this dog in the car. Anyone who knows? Ruby said he never would have left that dog in the car. He was planning to go kill Abu. Because he knows he's going to get arrested, arrested the simple or or killed himself exactly. Back to the bell. I thing apparently. And I didn't know they did this back then. But I guess I always did. They kind of pulled people in the Dallas area as to what they thought of. I guess they're they're overall..
Tipsy Tales
"melvin belli" Discussed on Tipsy Tales
"Two thousand five hundred suspects over a period of years this is the last known murder linked to the zodiac killer however he continued to write letters for several years taunting the police on october fourteenth nineteen sixty nine. The chronicle received another letter from the zodiac this time containing swatch of palestine shirttail as proof. He was a killer which pretty much already asserted and also contain a threat about killing school children. Here it's just shoot out the front tire and then pick off the kiddies as they are bouncing out so this sets off like the whole city like on watch because everybody's worried that he's going to find a school bus and takeout original footage if he can anew to see original footage of the The police cars and the parents and the kids and he through everybody up in crazy town over that and the police. The sheriff would just like follow the buses around and parents were picking their own kids up and probably other people's kids up and then he writes another letter taunting mom pretty much saying if you believe. I was going to pick off kids. You deserve a bullet in your head or whatever something like it just something to that effect and it was just like. Wow he just had everything everybody just like he was and he knew it he knew it. He was getting so much attention from this Then october twentieth nineteen sixty nine zodiac calls. The oakland police department demanding that one of two prominent lawyers and they portray this in the movie as well. F lee bailey or melvin. Belli appear on. Am san francisco talk. Show kate on k. g. o. t. b. hosted by jim dunbar belly did appear on the show Dunbar appealed to the viewers to keep the lines open eventually someone claiming to be the zodiac galled. Which was really weird. I'm i'm. I'm wondering if that's the actual recording and they made wonder i meant to look that up but i didn't but if it is they have like his voice his voice all right. Several times said that his name was sam belly agree to meet him in daly city. But no-one arrived so and that was also portrayed in the movie. I thought they did pretty good the movie. Did they kept it pretty true. Yeah fat facts. I mean you how do you. You can't dramatize that anymore. Yeah it was a good movie. It was pretty. It's like an all star cast cast and me and our watched it the other night. I was like i know we watch this movie before. But why don't i remember all these details like like prior fell asleep or something which happens. Yeah so if you watch. That movie zodiac robert. Downey junior plays the chronicle reporter. Paul avery jake. Dylan plays young robert gray smith and mark ruffalo plays detective. Dave touchy on november. Eighth nineteen sixty nine zodiac mailed a card.