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"melvin bell" Discussed on Discussions of Truth

Discussions of Truth

12:13 min | 3 months ago

"melvin bell" Discussed on Discussions of Truth

"The material that she wrote, although she wrote a column about it. Nervous ruby was and how scared he was and all of that. But where did he go? And he went to New Orleans. And the reason she did is just common sense. I look unmotivated as a former criminal defense lawyer, and I've covered, you know, the trial OJ and Kobe Bryant and other trials and things Mike Tyson. And you look at motives and what happened? Well, in 1960 Joe Kennedy knew he was going to lose the election if they didn't win the Virginia Illinois. So he had Frank Sinatra connect him with Sam king Khan and Carlos Marcello and some of those bad guys and told them you help us win the election. We'll leave you alone when we get in The White House. Well, they did help. And you have a one. And then right away, I had an eyewitness at a breakfast meeting with JFK, Joe Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy when Joe got an order JFK to a point Bobby attorney general. And what did he do? He hated the mafia from the mcclellan racketeering hearings and all of that. So what did he do? He deployed departed Marcello, who had a $1 billion empire illegal empire in New Orleans to Guatemala. Marcel almost died, he got back in the country and now Marcellus says to himself, I gotta do something about Bobby Kennedy. He could have killed Bobby caddy, had him feel but what he says to himself. I do that. And he will come after me with everything the government has, but if I eliminate jam, okay, Bobby would be powerless. And the proof there is that that's exactly what happened. They never went after those guys. Again, and there's been some conjecture lately that, well, how did Marcelo orchestrate JFK's death in Dallas? Well, he did so through those underlings that he had. Those drugs there, including a guy named Joe campey, who was actually the first person to visit Jack Ruby after he was arrested in jail. And so Dorothy hadn't figured all that out. So when she was in New Orleans, I believe she connected Marcelo Oswald and then ruby with the one who comes in and silences silence as Oswald. He'll be a trolley, won't let him testify. He makes him look crazy and so they feel up everything, but there is only one loose end now. And that loose ends from Marcelo or over it was Dorothy kilgallen. Mark chill gallen was hot on the trail. You're also pretty hot on a trail. Sounding like Carlos Marcello, you've got traffic canty in Miami. I don't know who the kington was there in New York. But Marcello is the kingpin based out of New Orleans. And is it under, does it come down to a geographic a geographic jurisdiction that there's Dallas? Whereas this Dallas fall underneath under Marcello's jurisdiction, if you want to take, if you want to take this president out, you want to take this guy out. Is that why it's done? Because is that how Marcello feeds any of you talking about the voter suppression, of course, and getting the votes up, that's another issue, but I'm just throwing out is there a possible tie with the location, a dealey Plaza chosen, and I know you haven't gotten into the assassination per se. You're just getting into what kill gallon has done and kind of finishing her work. But with that, what are your thoughts in regards to that? Well, you know what, I got an awful lot of free search in the last 6 or 7 years as a 6 books on touching on the assassination. Nobody has ever brought up this geographical question about what the mommy was doing in those days. Again, that's just, that's just something I hadn't thought of a great deal, but it really was in action. For instance, Melvin bell has main client that was making Cohen. The Los Angeles gangster. He had the West Coast. Frank Costello, who was a very close friend of Marcello's. He had New York City. Sam dian kana, who was the first one that Sinatra connected Joe Kennedy with. He had Chicago in that area and so therefore they could help with the vaccine those votes in the 60 election. I know you lived in the car for a while. He was the kingpin in panther and in Florida. That was his territory. And then Marcelo had New Orleans. But it's treaded on to Dallas, which is not too far away. And he was able to end a control everything going on in there and we're talking about legal activities with prostitutes prostitution and gaming and everything else that was going on. You know, you can't mess around with those guys. I just tell you a quick story when I was with Good Morning America. And a roving correspondent and a legal analyst for them, they sent me to Philadelphia because one of the other kingpins was Angelo Bruno, who had the territory of Philadelphia and Atlantic City. They interviewed his lawyer, and that lawyer had agreed to talk to me. I was very surprised that he did because, as you know, there's the code of silence with the mafia. They don't want anybody talking about anything, but he wanted to talk about gambling in New York in New Orleans. So I went over there and I interviewed him, we put that on the air on Good Morning America the next morning was a huge hit. And so the producer said Mark, go back and talk to that guy. See if he'll talk to you again, so I called his office and a woman came on and I could tell she was kind of shaking. And then once I could tell she was crying and I said, well, are you okay? I need to talk to your boss. He said, well, mister Shaw, he started his car this morning and it blew up. You can't mess around with those guys. Nick pilecki, who, you know, the author of the book that became Goodfellas. And so on, it gave me a wonderful endorsement for this for fighting for justice. Yeah. And he told me one guy, Mark. Don't ever forget that anybody Cecilia. With Cecilia and rose like the guys were talking about their middle name as revamped. You know, they don't mess around. They have their own rules. And you violate those rules like that attorney for Bruno did and you're dead. You violate those rules like Joe Kennedy did and his son ends up JFK being killed. You know, really, in many ways that I get very emotional about this. Marilyn Monroe should have never died. He got involved with Bobby Kennedy and NBA MK and then was going to go to the media with all of the, with all of the everything they called her, including some national security. They couldn't let her live she should have ever died. JFK should have never died. It was Bobby, who was the one that caused all the trouble. And then with Dorothy, I mean, that's just a sad situation because she just ended up getting right in the middle of all of that. And her reports and her columns and her threat to write the book and everything is what sealed her fate. So Mark, your research shows that a day. If I've got this right, a day before Maryland dies, there's a, there's an FBI release and part of that document is that she was what she was being watched or monitored because of what you just said that she was going to be distributing information to the media. Is that right? Can you talk a little bit more about that? Have I got that right? It was actually a CIA document, but I had it wrong first as well. It was a CIA document. And you know, what's interesting about this is that it's a middle of everything going on. And the right in the middle of the warrant commission corruption, which I hope we can talk about in just a little bit. Is Joe Kennedy. You know, Joe knew that Dorothy the Maryland Monroe and JFK were having an affair after she sang happy birthday to him at Madison Square Garden, that famous photo of her doing that. But he could have stopped at. And so who was next because do I think go gallon wrote an article about Maryland, the day before she died? And this was my clue to investigating their own staff. She said, Marilyn is on the upswing. So you're going to Hollywood parties. He's in love with somebody who's a bigger name than her than New York slugger at Yoda madio. And so I said to myself, well, who's the bigger name? Well, it's the AFK, but that affair was over and then I looked into Bobby. And this CIA document shows that there was wiretapping of Marilyn and Bobby Kennedy's phone calls. They sent back some wire capping of Dorothy's as well. But it also showed that this current love affair had taken place between Bobby Kennedy and Robert Kennedy in the summer of 1962 just before Maryland died to the event that the extent that Bobby had Thomas Maryland. He was going to divorce his wife Ethel and Mary Marilyn Monroe with sounds outrageous, but that's what the report said. And then in the document, it also says that Marilyn was had had it with the kennedys. They were having both a dumpster and she felt like a piece of meat and so he was going to the media with that information. And also the fact that either through a pillow talk or even their egos or whatever, the Kennedy that told her that jam, gay, his administration was planning the assassination of Fidel Castro. Well, it would have been enough of me. He went to the media about the romances, but they couldn't let her talk about these matters of names on security. I mean, them telling her about it was in a hex on what treason. And so they had to get rid of Marilyn now in the day she died. I proved that Bobby Kennedy was not in San Francisco. He was in LA, he and Peter lauper, I have a chance of them. Being right there, very verifiable accounts. And they went to her home they begged her not to go to the media and when she refused, he was dead. Later on, and I have a new locality on Friday her justice by a woman who was very close to those I don't know what you'd call sucks that Bobby Kennedy was associated with the Kennedy family with associated with. And she describes in terms that I don't like to talk about over the year because they're so nasty in terms of how they set up the killing of Marilyn Monroe after Bobby Kennedy when he left at Maryland's house in ren with California, left the window open so they could get in. So I proved that Bobby Kennedy was complicit in Maryland's death. And again, you know, he just played with fire and those kennedys were so powerful, no investigation, Joe Kennedy covered that up as well. So let's get into the Warren commission Earl Warren spring justice Supreme Court Justice you talk about the corruption. The first thing that comes to my mind mark is this. And you've got J. Edgar Hoover who appears frequently in this recent addition in your book. He was definitely controlling strings, but the name that comes to my mind is Alan dulles. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and you know, I'm not one who likes to believe in the absolute truth is out there, no matter what, and I found it and everything else like that. No question in my mind being a Dorothy believer. And trying to follow up on how she researched and everything out them Marcelo was an orchestrated JFK is down. People can read, writing her justice and make up their own mind. Regarding the Warren commission, that was a big shock to me when Morris won told me about senator Cooper's allegations and everything. And so I went back and I looked at which I hadn't done and I apologized for it. I should have. Look at the audiotape here audiotape counts of dandruff and LBJ copying. On the day that the day of 7 days after

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"melvin bell" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

04:08 min | 4 months ago

"melvin bell" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Thanks so much, Eric. Appreciate it. Now for folks who don't know anything about you, how did you get into this? Because anybody who's been alive in our lifetimes know that there's been tremendous controversy and confusion around certainly the death of president Kennedy, the death of Marilyn Monroe, and many people haven't even heard of Dorothy kill gallon. What brought you? What is your background that brought you to investigate these things as you have done over the years? Well, you ask about how I got into all of this and I have no idea in some ways very Quinn. President Kennedy was killed 60 years ago, you know, nearly 60 years ago or a little bit more. You know, I like everybody else. I cried my ears out. I was a Purdue university as a freshman. And yet over the years then, I bought all this material about J. Edgar Hoover saying Oswald alone. Oswald alone all of that and everything else. And then I had a real break with this because I knew Melvin Belli, who represented Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. I practiced law with him in San Francisco in the 80s. And when Belle I died, I started to look into his life and times and I found out that I could have a book there. So I wrote Melvin bell I king of the courtroom. And what I found out was the alarming, a couple things. First of all, he was very close with the mafia, one of his main clients was Mickey Cohen, the Los Angeles gangster. You're talking about but more than talking about Bella, are you talking about Marvin belli was close with the mafia? Melvin bell. Melvin Belli. Bella. Yeah. San Francisco attorney, but also he was known as a tort lawyer. He was a personal injury lawyer. How in the world I asked myself, I mean, you're a curious guy. How did he become Jack Ruby's attorney? So I started looking into that and what I found out was that actually he was a hired by those who wanted to silence Jack Ruby for his participation in the killing of Oswald and the JFK assassination. So take people back to their young people listening to this program, perhaps they've never heard of John F. Kennedy or Abraham Lincoln. We're not going to address those ignoramuses. And I say that in love. But there are plenty of young people that don't know the details that however many years ago, in 1963, at this time of year, Kennedy is assassinated, the man most believed had killed him, Oswald, was himself killed by Jack Ruby, obviously we're not going to get anything out of Oswald now because he's dead. Jack Ruby is a complicated figure. He owns a nightclub in Dallas. Kind of tied in with the mafia, and you're saying that Marvin belli, who was a prominent lawyer, I remember him on the Dick Cavett show in the 70s, I think, that Marvin belli was the lawyer for this Jack Ruby. And so you're explaining to us how that came about. And this is complicated, folks. This is one of the reasons Mark Shaw wrote a book about it called fighting for justice because it is complicated. And by the way, the complication is one of the reasons so many people have tuned out because they think it's too complicated. I can't I'll just accept whatever. We can't we'll never figure it out. But you have been really dogged at this. Well, I have and I'm sorry, it is Melvin Belli, but they used to some people used to call him Mark. So that's just fine. But what I found out right away was how did he become Jack Ruby's lawyer? And then at trial, he wouldn't let ruby testify. And he used this psychomotor epilepsy insanity defense that made no sense at all. And the jury decided, you know? Yeah. You know, this guy was guilty of shooting as well. And so they gave him the death penalty. So it was interesting to me because that just seemed too pat to me and I was concerned about Melvin bellies connection to the mafia..

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Why Author Mark Shaw Sought the Truth in the JFK Assassination

The Eric Metaxas Show

01:58 min | 4 months ago

Why Author Mark Shaw Sought the Truth in the JFK Assassination

"For folks who don't know anything about you, how did you get into this? Because anybody who's been alive in our lifetimes know that there's been tremendous controversy and confusion around certainly the death of president Kennedy, the death of Marilyn Monroe, and many people haven't even heard of Dorothy kill gallon. What brought you? What is your background that brought you to investigate these things as you have done over the years? Well, you ask about how I got into all of this and I have no idea in some ways very Quinn. President Kennedy was killed 60 years ago, you know, nearly 60 years ago or a little bit more. You know, I like everybody else. I cried my ears out. I was a Purdue university as a freshman. And yet over the years then, I bought all this material about J. Edgar Hoover saying Oswald alone. Oswald alone all of that and everything else. And then I had a real break with this because I knew Melvin Belli, who represented Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald. I practiced law with him in San Francisco in the 80s. And when Belle I died, I started to look into his life and times and I found out that I could have a book there. So I wrote Melvin bell I king of the courtroom. And what I found out was the alarming, a couple things. First of all, he was very close with the mafia, one of his main clients was Mickey Cohen, the Los Angeles gangster. You're talking about but more than talking about Bella, are you talking about Marvin belli was close with the mafia? Melvin bell. Melvin Belli. Bella. Yeah. San Francisco attorney, but also he was known as a tort lawyer. He was a personal injury lawyer. How in the world I asked myself, I mean, you're a curious guy. How did he become Jack Ruby's attorney? So I started looking into that and what I found out was that actually he was a hired by those who wanted to silence Jack Ruby for his participation in the killing of Oswald and the JFK assassination. So

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"melvin bell" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

KLIF 570 AM

02:19 min | 1 year ago

"melvin bell" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

"Uh, you know the killing of JFK. I mean, for God's sakes. It doesn't take anybody with any brains to realize daily closet with just a death trap for for JFK. If you've ever been there, you realize there's only one way and And one way out. And it was interesting to some of the new things in the book are the fact that I found an architect in Miami that the night before in Miami. They had this security for for John Kennedy, where nobody in the world the U. S Army couldn't have gotten to him. But when he came to Dallas, the security was very lax. That is. That has always been a question that people have asked about how this was able to be pulled off and how security was so lax with the president of the United States, but apparently at a Secret service agent who was supposed to be assigned outside of his hotel door in Fort Worth the night before Who Decided to go out drinking and so you had the president who was unguarded for a while. Well, that happened. Yes. And as I say, you know, I don't like to use the C word, so I won't. There was a plot to kill the president, and it's very logical if you look at all of it. I actually had an advantage, too, because I practice law in San Francisco at one point with Melvin Bell, I who represented Jack Ruby and I wrote a biography of him, and I learned that he really loved the Mafia. They loved him, and so I started looking into his defensive, ruby. Which was to not let him take the witness stand and use that crazy insanity defense. The jury obviously convicted him. So then I connected that back to the 60 election, So there's a lot of connections in there. But I actually investigated this a little ass backwards like I've done with most things in my life. I looked at JFK's assassination 63, then Dorothy's death. 65 then went back to Maryland's death in 62. But by doing that it really opened a window into all of the research that I present in collateral damage. All right. The book once again is called Collateral damage. This is Mark Shaw. Mark. I know we only schedule you for the half hour. Can you hang around a little bit? Because I have a million questions. I want to ask you Oh, I'd be honored to Okay. Right here. Thank you. Mark Shaw is here. We're gonna bag trending topics. I just I got too much I want to know here book once again called collateral damage the mysterious deaths of Marilyn Monroe and Dorothy Kilgallon and the ties that bind them to Robert Kennedy in the JFK assassination. It.

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"melvin bell" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

07:19 min | 1 year ago

"melvin bell" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Authors mark. Show mark really getting into the weeds. Which is so much fun here you were talking about. Joseph kennedy. The patriarch hard to imagine a darker figure. I mean here's a here's a guy involved in bootlegging. I mean what's he would you say that he was a criminal or he just associated with criminals. I think he. I think he was like a lot backs in criminals or or let's say the mafia would those guys were celebrities in many ways. Johnny can tell you that They were looked about as bad. Guys mean northeast gallon. A friend of hers was frank costello. She used to have lunch with them. You know and get information her dad. She would have lunch with frank. Stella yeah and he gave her a. You'll see in the book her a diamond ring and it was so big. The diamond that she they went ahead and separated made into a bracelet or something. That's confirmed by her hairdresser. I mean they were celebrities. Vaccine melvin. bell was a wanna be a mafia guy. There were many people like to hang around them or say liked to do that. He would brag about the fact that he knew all these bad guys. It was kind of like an honor of some sort. And joe kennedy. Loved that during the bootlegging days and after that. And so all he had to do with. Say to frank sinatra. Get in touch with giancana marcelo. Those guys help us when the sixty election and then we'll leave those guys alone. You know these people were like basketball players or athletes. They think rules don't apply to them all right and so they can do anything they want to. I'm a leave the former president alone but there are people who believe that they like cake. Okay honestly one bad thing about eisenhower. Go ahead i will not. I always liked i but you know. They think that they play by their own rules. And joe kennedy thought that yeah. You know i'm going to show them off. The i'm bigger than you guys. I'm gonna sit bobby on you. Well it cost him his son because him. Jfk well Yeah oh excuse me one more thing. He knew it when they showed him the new york times front page. Jfk killed I have two sources that were right there. That quote this he just. He just slumped over through the newspaper on the floor. Obviously he was the effects of a stroke that he had had but he knew he had to have known that his strategy backfire and that he didn't really show the mafia he was lost. They showed him who was lost by killing jfk. Well again johnny. Russo makes it sound like It it was different in other words that it was it was. Rfk trying to get back at his father by going after the mob. But you're saying no that according to you it was joe kennedy himself putting his son k up to it. I i certainly think so. Now that would have been. I mean i respect john. It's a opinion but that would have been you know just suitable joe conduct. You know. I got all the money in the world. I can't be president. But i'm gonna made my son president and now it's like i m president and i've seen several quotes that say and suitable ones. Incredible ones were joe. Kennedy was basically living his life through his sons. Okay and and that's what. He thought he could continue to do. Probably you know twenty four years. If the if all kennedy's on the president's i interviewed caroline kennedy socrates in the city event about two and a half years ago and i didn't ask her one difficult question and yet she was nonetheless. Impressively evasive if even with the simplest questions that i can understand at this point in history how difficult it would be for someone. I don't even know why she submitted she submitted to the interview. To begin with but it is interesting because the darkness is so deep and so horrifying that i would think you'd spend a lot of time simply avoiding any of that stuff. I don't know if i were she whether i would read the book That you had sent. it's just so it's taunt dri. unfortunately you're writing is not tawdry but the facts are tawdry. I'm told her her husband as as read both books but that she didn't But that's a tribute to you. Eric you are a man of good reputation. A man is the truth and everything but caroline kennedy would talk to you. I bet you know you're one of very few that that's ever happened with. And she must have trusted us some way or another I think that's a feather in your cap for sure. You should feel feel honored about. I don't as i say. I never am interested in doing. You know anything. Any gotcha stuff and i'm not. I'm not a hard hitting journalist. I like having conversations with people. And i realized that i'm not the kind of person who's going to trap them into Saying anything for example. I could have asked you a question like one. He write your next book on. Who killed ashley babbitt. I would never do such a thing in an interview like this. 'cause i just want to have a good time so i'm not gonna ask you that question so you don't have to prepare an answer. I never ask them. But i do. I do want to say that the darkness. It's depressing when you think that a man that is on the fifty cent piece Would have been involved in this. And i think what it really does is it. Leads to a jaundiced view of all the great institutions. I mean i'm proud to be an american. I believe in. American exceptionalism in the sense that we are the nation that has held up the torch of liberty We've never been perfect. But i i would go so far society. Believe god has had his hand on this nation that we've been outrageously blessed and we've been able to be a blessing in many ways and so when people are confronted with these facts About some of their leaders particularly you know the the much vaunted figure the martyr practically of jfk it is depressing and it undermines It undermines the whole country. That's that's sort of inevitable for me. Well it does the you know. The world stopped when jfk was killed. It's it's it's it's an event of monumental importance And i get a guy seventy three yesterday just sent me an email from from canada and it's always bothered him and he's read one of my books now and he feels a little bit better knowing more about what he thinks happened. So i hope. I provide a stop in sync books. You know and people can read. They don't have to agree with me but they can read. What my research has has produced and and hopefully You know it makes a difference in their lives because there's so many people that are disappoint so disappointed as they should be not only With the jfk's death but northeast. and i think the same thing will happen with maryland's death now Where people will really feel like we lost. We lost really a remarkable woman and that should never happened in nineteen sixty two a quick. Yes or no answer since we run out of time. But is it worth reading. Norman mailer biography of marilyn monroe. Yes.

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"melvin bell" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

Newsradio 700 WLW

05:10 min | 1 year ago

"melvin bell" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

"Disposition toward Ruby. And then kind of let let out what their defense was going to be, and then pulled again and found out more people had empathy, I guess for Ruby After they let out the fact that I guess he was supposedly suffering from this epileptic fit or whatever, and that that led him to believe. Okay. If I go this this route, I'll get him off. And obviously it was only the deliberation was only a couple hours and they came back guilty as charged. And for the death penalty. I mean that No one. No one was surprised that Ruby got convicted based on this defense. What is surprising is that they've given the death penalty and there are a lot of people who believe that that death penalty was directed it the lawyer, um as much as it, Jack Ruby now, eventually, the conviction got overturned. Jack Ruby was going to get a new trial before he died, and I think he would have pursued this manslaughter defense and he would have probably been out with time served. How long was he in prison? Well, you know, it's 1963 when it happened. He dies in January, 67 So he's in prison for the entire 33 plus years. How long was the delay? Time between the arrest and the trial? Because today I think they'd be like three years before they got around to it. No, you're right. It's a good question, and it was only four or five months. Um, from the time that, uh, you know, we had to bail hearings in that period, etcetera. So this trial, you know, moved very quickly, um, with a lot of expert witnesses and all that to correct and that's right. That's right. And so to think about that, that that they all had to figure out like they had to, you know, do their interviews with Ruby. Had to look at all the documentation etcetera, and the fact you're talking about a trial that's happening in March of 64. It's kind of amazing. We go. Dan Abrams book out called Kennedy's Avenger. Done with the David Fisher taking a look at the trial of Jack Ruby, Assassin of Lee Harvey Oswald. Um, what conclusions do you come away with? Other than the fact that Melvin Bell I blew it? Um, that again that Ruby was not part of a conspiracy that, um that that Ruby could have pursued a very different defense. And I think done so effectively. Um, I think that there were a number of other factors like like Dallas at the time, which were relevant. Right, which is that this is a huge black eye for Dallas, right? Kennedy has just been shot there. They actually we're pretty proud of themselves, the police and how they caught as well. Right. I mean Oswald then goes and shoots. Remember a police officer? Yeah, um and David tippet and and he shoots this police officer, and there are eye witnesses and They call it in, and then Oswald starts running away and he escapes. Gets into a movie theater and an eyewitness spots. You know, a suspicious guy sneaking into the movie theater. The police didn't surround the movie theater. They go in, and they're sort of like going. They try not to immediately go to him. They sort of like our questioning different people to make it not clear to Oswald that they're coming for him. And when they get to Oswald punches, the car tried to pull his gun out. Um, and you know that it's all super, You know? Interesting. I think forgotten stuff. About the Oswald arrest. Yeah, well, ABC did a thing a few years back where they went back and covered the story as it was covered at the time. It was years back, as in Peter Jennings anchored it. And when they laid out the facts of the case and how things unfolded at the time, a lot of people who were conspiracy theorists said to themselves, You know what that does make sense. That probably is what happened. It was. It was well done at the time. I forget I want but 10 plus years ago, 12 years ago. I don't know. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. All right, Dan. I'm out of time. I got to go. But the book get it anywhere. I'm sure Amazon Kennedy's Avenger. Dan Abrams with David Fisher and thanks for the book and thanks for your time and have a great weekend. Thank you. Appreciate it. Audios 8 22 right now. Back to traffic. Yes, sir. Initially. The Brent Spence bridge this morning. Oh, that was so half hour ago. Really? Oh, yes. All better. Oh, for the most part dispenses all better. Yeah, That'll be all better in November. Correct? Yeah. That's got about Fox. Pretty much burned off to Yep, yep. Yeah, Everything's coming up Roses. Kind of Alright. What you got? From the UC health traffic Center. Your pain shouldn't wait. You see health, orthopedics and sports medicine offers. Same day appointments called for 75 86 92 scheduled there's an accident on South Bend, 75 cars are on both shoulders. In fact, they blocked off the left leg now just above 2 75. That's backing traffic Past Union Center. But much, much better across the branch. Spence Bridge on Southbound 75 DeLay times have dropped to write about two minutes North bound 75..

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"melvin bell" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

Newsradio 700 WLW

07:38 min | 1 year ago

"melvin bell" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW

"News radio 700 wlw. Alright. Makes it just about 8 10 right now. 8 10, Mike McConnell, 700 wlw Friday morning and I have a guest standing by. In the book. I got into my hands at 5 30 this morning just in time and Been kind of busy since 5 30. But Dan Abrams, ABC political analysts, his book out Kennedy's Avenger is what it is The story of the trial of Jack Ruby, who have you weren't around for this unaware or are unaware. Killed Lee Harvey Oswald. He purported. And I believe assassin of JFK. First of all, Dan Abrams. Good to have you on the program. How are you doing? I'm great. Good to be with you. It's my pleasure. Um, I was on the way to start. We should probably just kind of getting people up to speed on, um The background of the story, November 22nd 1963 Lee Harvey Oswald, uh, supposedly killed President Kennedy in Dallas. And I would say he did two days later, the 24th Lee Harvey Oswald is being transported from the local jail. Um Jack Ruby is in the garage, pulls out a gun shoots Oswald and he dies. Many believe was part of a conspiracy theory. But your book has to do more with the trial and the fact that they paid an expensive attorney Melvin Belli, a famous attorney at the time. Who came up with sort of a convoluted defense. Explain the convoluted defense essentially saying that, um Ruby doesn't even remember ever shooting Lee Harvey Oswald, even though millions of people watching on live TV That's right. And it was a controversial defense and in my view, not a very smart defense. But you know, you mentioned the conspiracies as well. A lot of the conspiracies Developed from this trial. There were questions that went unanswered in this case At one point where defense attorneys said the prosecutors, we stipulate that Oswald acted alone. We're not stipulating to anything. Another point, an FBI agent thousands Uh, do you know of any relationship between Oswald and Ruby? Objection. Question goes unanswered. So a lot of the conspiracy theories came from this Jack Ruby trial and and it was fascinating case you had a celebrity lawyer of celebrity witness He had a jailbreak happened during the trial, so we were kind of amazed at how Fascinating and action packed. The Jack Ruby trial was considering that the world watched him shoot Oswald Online television. Sure, sure. Uh, And it's kind of interesting because if you look at the details of things To have played it straight at trial. And here's what actually happened probably would have resulted in a lot less than a life sentence. Would you agree? Totally agree actually probably would have resulted in a sentence of 2 to 5 years. Can you believe that? That at the time what was called murder without malice effectively what we consider manslaughter would have been an up to five year sentence meaning if Ruby had just gotten up there testified, Yes, I did it. But I was in this, You know, emotional state. I was so upset about the president signed. A lot of people in Dallas would have been able to understand that And I think that would have been his conviction. I think that they wouldn't have been able to convict him of murder. But instead they went with this effectively an insanity defense, saying he didn't remember the incident. Yeah. Melvin Bell, I you know, high priced attorney you mentioned that the family agreed to hire him for $50,000. Was that in 1963 money or today money? No, that was the 1919 63 money and it was for it wasn't even from $50,000. It was pretty. You know, the promise that that bell I was convinced he'd be able to get $50,000 from selling the story from doing a documentary, etcetera. The family didn't have $50,000. Okay? Did he ever get the $50,000? You got it. You got most of it in the in the form of you know, Ruby sold his story early on. Or the family at least told this story. Early on. Much of that went to pay legal fees. I think that probably got him about 20 plus 1000 of it. Um, but you know, the family ended up firing enough to the case. Yeah. And then back to the conspiracy theory idea. There are people who would hold hold of the fact that Ruby was sent there to kill him and silence him before he spilled the beans on the real story of the Kennedy assassination about Oswald. But Oswald wasn't even supposed to be there at the time. Ruby walked into that garage correct. No, Ruby wasn't supposed to be there. So the reason if you believe I thought as well was to have been transported much earlier in the day before Ruby ever got their correct, correct, correct. Oswald was supposed to be transported at 10 A.m.. On Sunday. Ruby happens to be at the Western Union down the block. Sending 25 bucks to a woman who had been begging him has worked at his club to send them money. Um, sending or twenties Got a receipt for 11 17 Oswald shot at 11 21. So this notion that sort of like you know he was planning it. But most importantly, two days earlier Friday night when Oswald was arrested, Ruby was there at the police station if he's there to shut us walled up. Why don't you shut him up the night you arrested, right? Would you get Why would you give me two days? We'll talk to the police. Why would you think you'd have another opportunity? Exactly? Exactly. So that's the most convincing evidence to me. You know of of why Ruby simply could not have been part of some grand. If we put aside you know, the fact that Ruby is not the guy you hire. You know, just to get an example on the Friday night when Oswald arrested that the police states right, the prosecutor's holding a press conference, Ruby is chiming up timing in correcting the prosecutor about the name of the organization that Oswald was affiliated with. What hit man is there to bring attention to himself calling out the DEA? Oh, you know what? Wait, wait with sir. It's not the you know the this Cuba organization. It's that Cuba organization. It just makes no sense. He kind of comes off as kind of a doofus and a loser. He wants he was and he was a blabber mouth. You know, he was sort of a tough guy Want to be right? I mean, he served as a bouncer at his club, you know, got a lot of fights. Which was very into proving he was Jewish very into proving that the Jews were tough. He talked about that a lot wanted to show Jews aren't week. Um and, um, you know, and didn't have a family didn't have kids didn't have a real relationship. He was obsessed with his dogs. In a way, which is actually relevant in the sense that his favorite dog we referred to as his child. He actually when he went to the Western Union left this dog in the car. Anyone who knows? Ruby said he never would have left that dog in the car. He was planning to go kill Abu. Because he knows he's going to get arrested, arrested the simple or or killed himself exactly. Back to the bell. I thing apparently. And I didn't know they did this back then. But I guess I always did. They kind of pulled people in the Dallas area as to what they thought of. I guess they're they're overall..

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