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NFL Draft Day 2 Winners and Losers (05/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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NFL Draft Day 2 Winners and Losers (05/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports it's time to dominate your fantasy league law. Now here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie benn. There were fifteen wide receiver selected in the first three rounds of the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft in the first three rounds are in the books. Welcome to the show everybody. There were sixteen wide receiver selected in the first three rounds last year. Unfortunately none of the third rounders bernie good last year so hopefully that changes this season. We had some interesting wide receivers. Come off the board as far as running backs. Go only four running backs guys. Do you know the last time only four running backs were taken in the first three rounds of an nfl draft two thousand nine. Why did you say that so confidently. I had no idea i just thought of i guess right and it was correct. It would be really cool very cool. You're wrong about that. They've forgive me. I guess 'cause i never sound cool. Just say something confidently like heath. i love pizza a lot of it than i. Two thousand and sixteen only five years ago. Zeke in round one henry around to drake in round three also. Cj precise in around three three out of four ain't bad another stellar seahawks. Pick a but yeah. I mean what what did you guys. Think of rounds. Two and three and he did not get to chime in yesterday. So i'll give you the first word I was. I thought it went pretty well. I the receivers continued for the most part not landing good spots but there were some receivers taken today that i like more than than like half the receivers egging yesterday so some really pretty excited about terrorist marshall pretty excited about ron dale more You like them as players or as fits in fantasy options you mean yes all of those. Yeah so when you say half you mean how many of the five. What half of perc- well actually four for purposes this year. I don't hot take. I don't think you should be surprising at all of terrorists. Marshall is as good as jalen waddell this year. We're going to rank them in in a moment. The top five ranked our top five rookie wide receivers for twenty twenty one dave. Give me your overall thoughts on day. Two overall thoughts sunday to is I think it was. It was fine a little disappointed that the forty niners took trace sermon for you. Know my shares of jeff wilson and for everybody else's shares of he moster. 'cause i know there's so many people out there that love for moster Lot of running backs that we thought we'd get competition ended up not getting any. Mike davis net lanna. Still the main guy myles gaskin in miami. Still the main guy. Zack moss or devin singletary. Whichever one you prefer matt brita. If you're a weirdo still the main guy. Those are three teams that everybody thought. They're going to draft a running back running back centre there. The veterans that are. They're going to be useless so far. Not the case. And did you see the jets to really have anybody. I mean we could. We could say tevin. Coleman lagos saves so far. I don't think those guys are really good like i'm not. I'm not going into my fantasy draft man. I hope for running back in new york. It's about to change would be it. Depends on who they drafted jets have the second pick of day. Three the falcons have the third pick. And i believe the ninth pick of the own. Roddy this last night. That of feeling running back. They're really been four selected. We still have. I mean they can still take top five running back in the class right and how about that. I could see myself getting excited over the jets. Getting michael carter decided who russell wilson. He just tweeted s grij exclamation point. Wow that's great. How many exclamation points just one but then can't wait to see you all out followed by three followed by hashtag. Go hawks so four exclamation point. I think what he's saying is ha aaron rodgers. My team and i wanted to. Hey so did. Aaron rodgers took a little longer you know. The seahawks only have three picks in the draft could end up with more if they trainer but they started with three picks and they took wide receiver. Does that does that mean. They're going to let russ cook. That means that they're not going to be as heavy as we thought. I bumped their pass rate one percent. Because of average yeah. I didn't even know he was worth that much. If if we've been a little bit reading the tea leaves anyway. Like they are going to make this big change from last year and go back to what they were three years ago because of some they've been some talk that they want to do some things differently but the fact they only had three picks and had the needs they did and took a ride receiver. I i don't. I don't buy that. They're just going to go back to super run heavy and you know what they the change they could make trying to get the quote. But this is what pete carroll said. Well i don't have the exact quote but he said they will get the ball out of russell. Wilson's hands quicker so that could be the big change they make on offense just a different style. I guess ethridge could help them do that. Yup screen slants whip routes. He can also take. They didn't have anybody to return kicks pots and he can do that. Well if they don't want to do it. Why would they want tyler lockett to do what he's done it. Yes more part of his career and now they've got somebody who's young and fast who can do it. Well he's not going to be one of our lock it for this passing game. That's going up one percent. He's gonna be one of our top five rookie wide receiver. So let's get into that right now. Your top five. Rookie wide receivers. Dave what are you got. I've got jomar chase. I didn't change today. i've got devante smith. Second jalen waddell third. I've got terrorist marshall fourth and as of now cadaverous. Tony is interesting. Okay all of the four of the five first rounders. So heath dave goes chase. Smith waddell terrorists marshall on the panthers and darius tony giants first round pick. What's your top five for extra credit. I've tiered minors will in tier one. I've got march chase to to devante. Smith jalen waddell terrace marshall tier three at the top tier through. Its here threes much bigger than this but number one tier three rondo. More you want. Hear what shrager. And i said. We talked about this while we were waiting for you. Okay okay so. I went chase smith going with rogers riders to rogers on the packers. I think it's really hard only. Yeah it's hard to overlook how great second wide receiver in green bay has been in the aaron rodgers era. Yeah you're right because it used to be jordy nelson randall. Cobb owns and then it was davante adams and i think randall cobb So they've had absolute garbage wide receivers. Which is why they haven't been good. But i don't think allen lazard is garbage. i think i think they're going to upgrade. And and this is a slot guy here. That's not just going to go down field. It's going to give them a different element here. So eighty fifth overall amari rogers. I don't know. I can't say i'm gonna stick to this but by initial instincts. He's going to be a big surprise and he's going to be He's number three ahead of waddell and terrorists marshall. But i don't and then shrager said waddle chase smith waddell rogers rondell more. Look i i get it with rogers. He's he is an nfl ready slot receiver. He runs great routes. He's got good hands. Were he reminds me. This is what i said about. Van jefferson last year in a van. Jefferson had gone to green bay and been the slot guy in green bay. He would have been awesome instead of being what turns out to be bench receiver in l. a. Now i get where you're coming from on that. Npr leagues for sure. He's a candidate to be a top five rookie wide receiver. He's one of several guys. We gotta talk about you. I don't think anyone's going to take over waddell. Discuss the prospect pedigree is so different. But i think the amount of touchdown passes that The packers are going to throw is going to be a difference maker there so by the way i looked at the receiving yards for each team other than the top three because i just figure most people are going to have those top three receivers as their top three For the most part but the receiving yards for the for the teams that drafted wide receivers and number one was the texans and they obviously a big hole to fill. So that's that was an interesting pick that they made of nico collins in the third round six foot three big outside wide receiver who was the wide receivers receiving yards. No sorry the team's passing yards so like which which wide receiver which rookie wide receiver other than the top. Three is going to the team that through for the most yards last year. The texans through for the most followed by the packers. Now i think the seahawks The seahawks were to know the chargers. Sorry chargers were to they. That's another guy josh palmer. He's got a chance top-five right. I don't understand that it all. They have three josh palmer's on their team and all three of them are faster than josh palmer. One of them had six drops last year. This is another downfield guy and right. They they do have. That is a redundancy. But is mike williams just not really that good. And they're trying to upgrade their he i. I don't know like every measure. We have of efficiency says that mike williams is very good. Then why hasn't he been for fantasy. 'cause there's well they keenan allen and austin ekeler hundred entry of dominated targets. Yeah yeah. I was doing the numbers. So he's been yards per target good measure of efficiency. And you know he's been really good there but he's never had more than ninety targets he's never been higher than thirty second. Npr he did every year where he was. I think twenty third and non pr. Mike williams one thousand yard season and ten touchdown season. All right fine so anyway. Just back to all the receiving yards. Green bay was third or fourth green bay carolina arizona. The rams bunch of teams are very bunched up but of course the giants the ravens and the jets were way way at the bottom but yeah i don't know You know it's just buying into the offense. Buying the quarterback aaron rodgers buying into the passing touchdowns. That's why i'm excited about rogers. Rogers amari rogers for the from clemson. Going to the green bay. Packers would you be as excited about him. Jordan love was as quarterback. I number one of other rookies. I wouldn't draft them All right let's see what else. What else should we talk about. I think let's go to the running backs start the show and or you. Ten minutes into the show would ever. Let's talk about devante williams. And let's talk about trae sermon first. Let's talk about the pick. Six podcasts the nfl draft here almost done. If you want the instant reaction from a non fantasy standpoint the pick six. Podcast is your audio outlet for the immediate reactions trevor lawrence. The mr irrelevant. They've got it all and if you want to know how your team fair. They've got the draft grades on all the selections the winners and the losers the team by team grades like i said so. Follow the pick six podcasts. Wherever you follow fantasy football today are devante. Williams thirty fifth overall. The broncos traded up to get him last year. Believe it or not. melvin. Gordon was twelve thousand nine yard was thirteenth and he was about twenty on a per game basis and in the ten games that he played with phillip lindsay. He averaged twelve carries per game. So which running back are you drafting. I melvin gordon. Onta williams heath. I will draft. Melvin gordon before devante williams I don't have either of them in my top twenty five running backs. Now gordon fell from. I think he was twenty one. He's now right around twenty eight. although everything is Pretty fluid right now and listen. I don giovanni williams is not going project as a top thirty six running back but he'll definitely be drafted as one and be there in my rankings. Just think gordon was pretty good last year and and williams is probably gonna play a secondary role in less. Gordon gets hurt. I really like williams. I'm not sure if i've got the cojones as to rank him ahead of melvin gordon. Because of melvyn. Melvin gordon you. Figure will be the lead back to begin the year right and then if he does okay with it. It's just gonna take dramatic williams that much longer to get the role but it wouldn't surprise me. If by halloween devante williams is the trick. And the treat and melvin gordon. The trek was me trying to make a cool. Halloween reference. And i failed miserably. This is a pretty unique situations. We have these a lot of times where we have like a twenty seven twenty eight year old back and we and somebody gets drafted there and we think that is going to be better and eventually he's going to take over and we just kind of have to wait for that to happen. Usually when that's the case the younger guy has the better pedigree. Yup and this is a situation where we're talking about a former first round pick. Who has mostly been really good at least for fantasy purposes scores. Once had one of his best years maybe his like maybe the second best year ever in terms of efficiency last year and a third round. Pick second round. Pick third round second round pick. Second yeah thirty second round pick. You mean right yeah. i don't. It's unlikely that. Devante williams noticeably. Better than melvin gordon in his very first year in the nfl right notice. It comes down to how. Well melvin looks this year and he put up numbers last year. Did you look good. Doing it was the officiant doing it. I can up so now. Six years precarious. I mean that's a that's a decent place to start but there's other ways that we can try and measure his efficiency and see if he was Looking good doing it but for for the audience that we're talking to right now they just want fantasy points. They don't care if he looks good if he's getting a lot of work that's a big part of it. And that's what he wants. But most that's way to measure it. We would say that. Melvin gordon has is a more talented running back. Jamaal woods still. I don't know we think we are not yet. Seen any sign of melvin gordon skills deteriorating thought he played pretty well asked your i guess but i also was really disappointed at the way he finished. I thought he was going to have a huge finish as he was out and he got he got. Don't almost i think we're on twenty touches a game when lindsay didn't play so i thought he was going to be great But he absolutely was not. He wasn't that involved in the passing game. No running back on the broncos was Why do you trade up to take devante williams. If future you really believe i guess. But that's a sad price to pay for someone. That's not gonna do anything this year because they're not just for this year adam. Yeah i know. But i'm but it is a steep price to pay for for a for a team like i said for pick thirty fifth overall. You're not really planning on. They'll use them. They'll use them. I just don't know how much they're going to use them. And that's what stinks the way. Tell me if you agree with this. There's little chance. I think that there's not a committee at least it'd be in it. I think it's very clear. They strongly desire. A committee have about williams for dynasty is. Does that desire carry forward once. Melvin gordon leaves. After this season winning the though which player has a better chance of just winning the job outright and being a feature back Melvin gordon. Because all he needs is for twenty williams snuck quite acclimate to the nfl. Quickly plus in this is just being fair. As much as i like monty williams he split it north carolina. There is another back in this draft class. Who is exciting. In a lot of people had the fourth best running back in the class that he was splitting work with and he's still relatively new to the position i school. He played linebacker until his senior year. And now here he is. You know few years in college never was the workhorse and it kind of makes sense. And i hate to do it because no one's going to be excited to draft. Melvin gordon they might be. Okay drafting bob. And gordon if he falls far enough on drafty and there will be people who are excited to draft devante williams because he's exciting and he's new but you're right. This is a team that wants to use multiple running backs. I think if you a really crazy about jayanta williams. You've gotta hope that. Melvin gordon has an off field incident or gets hurt again or something that keeps them out and it just wedges devante williams into being a sixty five percent of the snaps guy with mike boone. Taking something away from him. I don't know if there's a scenario that plays out where giovanni williams is the guy saquon barkley style in the denver backfield. Yeah i'm also interested in his receiving role because he caught twenty five passes. That's the same amount as michael. Carter caught last year. I don't think he looks like that though he doesn't right he doesn't look like a three down back. I disagree. I think he's okay. I do for two reasons number one. I think he is a good receiver just because he didn't do a lot of in colleges amino twenty-five is good dave i. I was surprised by that. He's so physical and he loves to just ram into people right. that's that's kind of a negative. We've got to put the reception guests. At seventy. Thirty and melvin favor. I think so. But guess who's guess who might be the better pass blocker. Williams was a better pass blocker in my opinion the nausea and he n i think is the best among the best pass blockers running back in this draft class and he might be a better. Pass blocker the melvin. Gordon has not greeted well as a pass blocker. If i recall correctly. All right. let's go to the trae sermon. Pick forty niners taken late in round three eighty eighth overall. And who's the best forty niners running back now. I'll stick with most. I know it's not wilson and i know it's not sermon. I guess it's moster. But he's even more likely than melvin gordon to miss time and he's certainly going to split work i have. I have gordon at twenty eight moster to twenty nine. Okay ready for ready for some some twitter polls. Let's throw in. I think we should talk about sermon. A little bit more to be honest. I like sermon a lot. And i think he fits san francisco style really really well and he. I said on the show. The watch party a he has eighteen. Carry one hundred and forty yard two touchdown game one week. I'm not going to be that surprised at all in this offense. It's it's such a great situation. So the nice thing about williams and sermon is that they both measure up as running backs that we will draft round seven plus. And you'll be patient. Well just day williams yeah. I don't think he's getting there. Do you think someone will take him before then. Yeah i think so. Let them take him then. Yeah for sure. What do you do. You don't think so. I think around. I don't think i've. I don't think i'm ready to take devante williams in round five around six. Tell me tell me why goes eight. Wire with gordon. Tell me why this is different than jk. Dobbins in mark ingram and dobbins when it went in a much better prospect than williams. A lot of people thought that devante. I don't know if i should say a lot enough. People thought he was the best running back in this class. There was a lot of buzz about him being the first one selected. I don't think anybody thinks nausea here would have been a top two or three back. In last year they prospect. Isaac if you compare wasn't jk dobbins wasn't a top three he was and gionta was number one for some people. I i'm not sure Agree that that dobbins was a much better prospects than williams. They're both second round. I don't know how could he be that much. I if i'm comparing them. I would take dobbins over. I would do. I would too but it but ingram was coming off top ten fantasy season and is it really that much at all i'm saying is saying is dobbins. Didn't go in the seventh round. People were excited to take him. They if there was an injury dobbins who's going to run away with it and it wasn't very good pick. He's had to wait so long for him to come through so maybe it will be a mistake. I just i don't think devante was going in the seventh round and just for the record. There were people that were dropping. Jonathan taylor at one point last year during the season. To jacob dobbins no taylor. I'm saying like just on the topic of rookie running backs. They disappoint you. After a few weeks people get impatient. They let him go. That could happen here with both of the running backs that we're talking about. Where you draft sermon or williams and if you were around six in urine impatient person or before round seven round draft him whenever you draft him if you're an impatient person and you're not respectful of the long term process with these running backs. You're going to let them go early. Someone else is going to reap the rewards these. I feel like both of them have a chance to be good. Second half running backs during the season. This is fun player profile. Always the player comps the best cops for running back Oh they williams is marking right. No his best. Comp is a former rocco. Who know sean marine oh. I isn't marking on that list though. There's a list it's usually. Gff does a list that i think mark ingram was the best running back on the list for i kind of see that because williams is a physical back to do a lot of things. Well and doesn't have breakaway speed. Marito was steph. Yeah he's playing the hurricanes and they were all. I didn't realize this. But he is he and dobbins the same height. He's three pounds heavier than jk dobbins. Yeah he is three tenths of a second slower than jk dobbins yeah. He's not a burst lug. Yeah okay so now. Let's do some twitter polls here with some running backs. We have talked about the veteran winners and losers Let's update this twitter. Poll which running back and you taking. I in a half. P p r league. Melvin gordon gianatti williams. Mike davis or myles. Gaskin gordon williams. Mike davis miles gas day. This is a very easy. i think. Very easy polled answered. Say go ahead. i don't know i i would say gaskin. Yeah forty three percent. Williams the second twenty two percent. Mike davis twenty one percent. Melvin gordon fourteen percent. Oh i see so is that what got your wheels turning. That people are just gonna be ice cold on moment for the first time. I saw the results. Yeah i would take. I would go gaskin like today. Gaskin davis gordon williams. I i just. I'm not ready to commit to gordon. Williams it's probably going to be how they'll start out in my rankings. But otherwise yeah same order. Who's your favorite of these rookie wide receivers around on arizona. Terrace marshall on carolina. Josh palmer on the chargers maurie rodgers on the packers more harshly marshall palmer rogers marshall for you dave marshals. The right answer. We're talking this year or dynasty issue Marshall marshall enters different. If he's talking. Same it's i really like more a lot. I really like him a lot. I do too. I love the fit. I do too a lot. He could be like christian. Kirk and chase edmonds. Combine their stats. He's leading. He's got thirty seven percent of the vote. Amari rogers twenty nine percent. Terraced marshall twenty-five percent. Josh palmer nine point three percent. All right this one is. I thought i thought the results of this one very surprising. Who's your favorite of these rookies. Area's tony on giants allies. You're more on the jets nico collins on the texans. Yami brown on washington. Qadeer tony on the giants allies. You're more than the jets nico collins on houston the army brown on washington. Who's your favorite. This is the dawning of a daria age of data I am now at wide receiver. sixty one. how long. Do i have to scroll in the projections before i find one of those wide receivers names seventy-one good area's tony there. It is okay. So you're saying that. I like tony like a number three or number four receiver or anything like that. I agree with heath stash on your bench. I went into today with him right. Sixty fourth among wide receivers and pr. But he's my favorite of the ones. You named disobey drafting him in a redraft league. By the way you'd be one of these players not could area has fifty six percent of the vote. Alasia elisa bore. I think. I like allies in worm. Possibly more than tony Well they'd use if you were scrolling. Ed tony tony projected the highest right now right right. I'll tell you what. I said about more on the draft party. This jets coaching staff came from san francisco. So they've got a lot of the concepts that they ran in san francisco in mind for their offense. And when i watched allies more play he reminded me a lot of deebo. Samuel physical after the catch short area guy. Probably more of a slack idea could play outside but he works fine in the slot to moore's gonna theoretically bumped jamison crowder out of the slot. I could see him being a really reliable short area. Target for zack wilson. And that's and we that the jets should end up throwing a decent amount. It could lead to a decent target share form but there are a lot of other receivers on this roster and as long as crowder's there it makes me worried about just how much target share more. We'll get a rookie. You said something else on the show that i was hoping you were going to lead with. Which is that maybe he just pushes. Crowder out of new york can happen for two reasons one. It could be the better slot receiver to. He's definitely the cheaper slot receiver so they could save some money on the only one million in dead cap on jamison crowder contract. He is eleven millions. They'd save ten million dollars by cutting him but they can do it at any time to go to camp in but if crowder that it would easily easily be eligible. I think it would be too but hasn't happened yet. We also we spent yesterday's podcast pooh-poohing. Zack wilson i'm not convinced that he can but i read it. Somebody three years pooh-poohing daniel jones. So i'd hold that against moore. Okay fine yeah but would you. You not take allies and moreover corey davis would you now yet. I don't think i would even if crowder got cut. Crowder was by highest ranked jets receiver. Npr so I don't know. I still don't want to draft any jets but like how does corey davis fit into. What the forty niners have done. That's not the type of wide receiver. They've really utilized is he. Good run blocker. Probably i mean he played for the. That's the only thing he did most of the time i. I'm sorry i want to. I just want to talk about the army brown. Because i think everybody saul the hype riot a lot. I shouldn't say everybody sorry speaking personally. I saw the hype. And i i saw a lot of people really liked him and people thought diani brown at unc might go in the first round and he's back to back thousand yard guy back twenty yards per catch. A lot of people had him rated very highly and he just kept falling so he goes to washington and perhaps he's just a good compliment for terry maclaurin. He only fourteen percent of the vote. Compared to tony hit twenty two percent allies more fifty six percent nickel collins nine percent but you. What are your thoughts over on. The army brown is he could call him a steal but i have to say the same thing i said about just feels yesterday when everyone. Who's not in the nfl community. Thinks this guy is great but the nfl community clearly doesn't agree. That's maybe he's not a steel. That's not true of justin fields like he. A team traded the house up to get him pick ten the house. They traded overpaid round. Pick to move. I mean that's the whole league thing. He's not. He's the fourth quarterback off the board. And when so many are. He's my second quarterback he's my second quarter. You heard that all the time well he was fourth heard it from us in the strategy. Patrick mahomes to absolutely it could. It could certainly happen shawn watson petrol. Whatever but i don't know i'm saying is maybe people were just too high on the omni brown but if we're not maybe if the people were right then. This is a great pick. What could he do ashington. He's a fits magic kind of wide receiver and i. I really wish that washington had not gone out and sign curtis samuel because if that had been the case i think he fits better with. Its magic and cursing. You'll does but. I have a hard time seeing how he's going to make an impact with terry maclaurin. Curtis samuel already there. Well who do you like better. But chlorine i'm sorry not mcclure samuel. Or we'll say sandra brown samuel samuel brown's gonna be complimentary player like the numbers are great in north carolina twenty touchdowns in his last twenty. Four games at unc. Time deep threat. The type of guy that you want on the other end of ryan fitzpatrick yolo balls. But i don't think the target volumes going to be very good from week to week I think the only way he's got a shot as if maclaurin gets hurt. Gimme some Sorry give me some veterans who are winners and losers. Let's start with the winners and yeah let's save myles gaskin and and mike davis the biggest winners their winners right now. We'll macho with them. Yeah okay we've got. We've talked buffalo but after such a such an unreliable year from them. Are you really going to that. They're still relevant. Keeps them in the in the winner's circle. Yeah but would you drive the bills running back around i. Yeah that's the thing like. It seems more likely to me. That devin singletary or zack. Moss could become a feature back in the first month of the season. Then devante williams about those guys both of away. And i think what about at the end of the season though. What if you're what if we're talking about a bench spot. Well yeah williams. Taking the job for melvin gordon. Okay do you have any reason to think. He's better than melvin gordon. I can't think of one piece of evidence that was just that well. You can look at the talent. You're drafting him for the people who do think that heath and the people who are going. They're thinking about the talent that they saw north carolina. That's right. But but melvin gordon. Multiple times thousand yard rusher double digit touchdowns for former first round pick Twelve and boarded this williams good. Where's this melvin gordon. Love coming from. I did not you belvoir like. We're not talking about marlon mack. Here he was actually. This is melvyn. i'm talking about. He was actually top fifteen in pro. Football focus allusive. Nece ranking last year. Twenty first in yards after contact per attempt. Those are two metrics that that good i. The twenty-first is not great. Okay but at least he's in the top twenty four. I think that's solid. What's the top fifteen elusiveness kinda surprising. What's the minimum. I think it would depend on. What the minimum carries is if it's minimum five attempts. It's actually the number's higher. If because i'm including guys like aj dillon who had forty six attempts. Okay just accident pretty good okay so all right bills. Running backs are winners. Anyone else jump out at you. I think collar murray a winner. We didn't really get into rondell more and why we liked him so much. But i think that this offense is shifting toward even more toward being cuyler centric and not shifting toward. Let's improved that run game now. I know that james conner. I think a lot of people aren't excited about james conner. I think he's there to be the quad thunder to chase edmonds lightning but the best rusher in arizona is kylie murray and they have taken that one of one of the things i hated about the arizona. Offense was they didn't challenge downfield enough and i'm not sure if rondell more is that guy. I don't in fact. I don't think he is. I think he's a short area target where you throw him a pass get him in stride and he makes a play for the catch over seventy percent of his yards at purdue came after the catch when my favorite sats about him. He has lightning quick. He's short but he's strong. He does have some health issues. I think he can be a guy that can come up with some big yards for tyler murray Because of his after catch skill set and he's the type of guy that you can use also on jet sweeps and screens and easy passes that would be otherwise a carey to a running back. I think it hurts chase edmonds. I think it hurts. James conner just a little bit not a lot. I think it takes the upside of the upside. I had this year for chase. Edmonds was the thousand total yards and five touchdowns. I think he he hurts that. I think he's someone that's could potentially hurt. Aj green and christian kirk. And if larry fitzgerald comes back into He's he's an exciting young player. He's fun unfortunately. I don't know if he's going to have enough touches gain game to be a factor in fantasy moana. Bring back some big rich. Love from about breakout age. As an eighteen year old he had one hundred and fourteen catches twelve hundred and fifty eight yards and twelve touchdowns. Yeah as an eighteen year old. now he's been hurt a couple of times. Since then. And i wanna give played one more shout outs because if you look up rondell more player profiler it's a picture of ant man which is fantastic. Because he is. He's not tall but he's not small. He is a very very strong. Like this is a class full of guys that you can stretch and try to make a comparison to tyreek hill. This is my favorite guy to compare to tyreek hill. Very how does he does. He have the pedigree as a deep all receiver. Did he catch enough. Deep balls at purdue album tyreek hill came into the game like everything they were doing with him was close. To the line of scrimmage they throw him a couple of long pass smith it did in the preseason remember the preseason games the second year so not necessarily as rookie year rondo will be twenty one years old when the season starts at its impressive. That's good stuff. Emory hunt scouting profiled. Him said he's not a polished receiver. I i looked at him as a guy who was a great athlete. But i didn't know what kind of receiver he would be at the next level. Oh he i. I don't know that he would be. I would not be as excited if he was drafted into some. Stodgy traditional offense right like he landed in the place cliff kingsbury. This is your reputation you should be able to put him to the absolute best use and he should be in space constantly. Okay i got michael thomas as a winner you guys feel that. They named james winston. The i thought i thought terrorist marshall would made so much sense would have been great. Pick for the saints. Didn't happen when just before their pick But i mean the target share. He's gonna he's gonna leave the nfl in target share smile opinion and he's going to be up there at the very least if jameis winston wins. That job wouldn't surprise me if he's number one number two you know a great value. Npr would it surprise you if it went the other way though in terms of what if tatum hill still might get a nice target share but the catch rate that we're used to enjoying goes down because the passes aren't as accurate the touchdowns go dancing. Yeah i just. He's michael thomas. he's awesome. So i'd still be pretty excited about him right but i think i lo- bottomless. If i've been talking about. melvin gordon. I'm gonna talk bad about michael thomas. Okay just like this is what happens when we do show in the morning. I i am really concerned. That is going to be pre twenty nine thousand nine michael thomas and that's one hundred and four targets but one hundred and forty targets from tastes and hell still one hundred degrees and jameis. Winston is probably one hundred catches and eleven hundred fifty twelve twelve hundred yards and seven or eight touchdowns and he's a six through ten wide. Receiver veteran losers. Who are the losers irs. Well what do you call me. Christian kirk yeah robertson mike. Sickie all tied up wilson. Get sick is a great one. Good sticky jeff wilson. Jeff wilson's a good one I will also say. I think sam darnold's a winner is robby anderson a loser. I think there's i don't think so. The terrorists marshall fit and carolina's great love him. It is great. But like you've got the you gotta remember anderson lover. Antiterrorist marshall lover on that coaching staff. So be fine. And he's coming. So you have a robin lover and it's harassed marshall over and a dj more love. I i love everything rare panthers fans this darnold jersey folks. No i what i said was like everything we said about daniel jones on night one like. They're giving him everything he needs. They've done that for sam darnold now. Are we repeating ourselves if we say. Melvin gordon loser. And he was. He's a big loser. Definitely definitely a loser. Okay let's take a break we come back. We'll talk about all those. Quarterbacks went off the board contrast kellyn. Mon- davis mills all within four picks. Each other we'll talk a little dynasty. Go through some offensive line notes. We did have some tight ends. Come off the board as well and we should touch on tutu. Atwell hated that pick. I don't understand how the rams are good. I feel like they make so many bad decisions. Well they don't hardly ever have picks they're not used to it and they don't know what to do this guy's fast take him yeah he might be fine but you don't have a lot of pigs. Why are you taking why they've taken a wide receiver fifty seven overall two years in a row. They extend robert woods. I just i don't understand it And we'll talk about We talked about most anthony schwartz to cleveland. Give you a good stat on the wide receivers. Who have run a sub four three forty so i can explain the well pick okay. Well look forward to that. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. We know it's going to take many forms of energy to meet the world's needs while creating a cleaner future for all at chevron where lowering the carbon emissions intensity of our operations investing in lower carbon technologies and exploring renewable fuels of the future. We work hard to care for the homes we love but it's only human to protect the one we share learn more at chevron dot com. April is a huge month for combat sports fans. We had the debut of built on showtime last week. Plus two more of those coming on showtime three ufc cards including ufc to sixty one. The beginning of the twenty twenty one. Pf l. tournament and so much more in the world. Boxing but there only one place to get all of your content for combat sports. That's the morning combat podcasts. For the cbs. Sports podcast network. We're bringing you four. Live shows a week. Plus bonus content like interviews instant reactions and more make sure to follow mortal combat on apple. Podcasts spotify stitcher google podcasts and wherever podcast phone. Okay dave explain the atwell pick so you may have heard that they have a new quarterback in la. And i heard that yeah he. He's got a strong arm and robert woods is a great all around receiver. Not sure he's their best option for the deep ball. He'll get some deep targets but won't be someone who can really stretch the defense every single week. Cooper kupp is even slower than that they brought into sean jackson jackson. Clearly still that deep ball guy. He still has speech do it. The problem is is that he's ancient and he could break by the end of week. One enter to at well. Who is kind of a backup for. Deshaun jackson a contributor on special teams. Someone who brings speed the offense and this is a team that's going to make use of matthew stafford's arm in a way that they were scared to with jared goff with why not get an outside receiver. Why are they so afraid of a true outside receiver that can you know. Go one on one and go. That's why they didn't do it last year. Usually thought you were going to like. I thought we were gonna get some classic. Dave richard long story humor stafford having four daughters. They got a new quarterback in sean mcvay wife told him we have to go to his daughter's birthday party party and she wants a two two and he thought he was listed draft to i. Yeah dave he thought you were setting us up for a joke about explaining. I'm trying to help. People prepare for their fantasy dream. I'm sorry don't draft. You will okay governor. He don't have to well but it could end up helping matthew stafford for five passes this year. Let's let's play a game called draft or don't draft baltimore's rashad bateman is twenty twenty one. Yeah don't draft fourteen ground and you'd have a defense indicator the fifteen round fifteen round. I don't ever fifteen wrong. Because that's unfair to the team that has picked because in sixteen round around sixteen rounds. Then i think i'm probably drafting bateman in west round. And what are you going to cut him. Or what are you gonna got bateman. I went good bed last night. Thinking there's no chance i'm drafting bateman and then i was looking at this morning. I'm like why do i think that markey's browns definitely better exactly. That's what i guess what. You don't have to draft either of them. Well one of them is going to be the number one great but one of them has been the number one for the past couple of seasons and it wasn't until the end of last season when he was actually consistent for fantasy purposes right. This is slowing down the game. Draft don't draft allies. You're more draft. Don't draft in non pr jess cpr round to pick about the cardinals round to pick rondell more draft him. Draft him late. Dwayne s courage for seattle new not do not draft to at well for the rams draft already answered terrorist marshall for the panthers graft draft him ahead of robby anderson. No not yet. I don't know how healthy he is. Yeah the pick makes perfect sense. Because joe brady was at lsu. He knows terrence. Marshall can do terrace. Marshall knows with this offense is all about. it's going to be Not much of a learning curve for. Marshall i do get some terry maclaurin type vibes here as far as a receiver. Who is not drafting around one. Who can end up playing like one who does. But he's got to stay healthy and his name with tear scary terrorist marshall scarce terrace. Josh palmer chargers round three pick. No he would call a cop who's on the balcony What do you call now. You can't answer a dajo lose onto a balcony. I dunno terrace marshall terrorists marshall that is outstanding. Dave call a slower jalen guidon. What do you call diabe brown. Drafter draft don't traps by the way and christopher paso gave this pin a the josh palmer pick. This is a starting number two receiver in the nfl. Production hurt by bad quarterback play at tennessee. He's right he's off. The line runs. Chris browse deceptively fast and tracks it. Well downfield herbert needed another weapon. He could be there number three receivers soon as week. One and he can be their number two receiver as soon as week. One twenty twenty two. Okay drafter don't draft amari rogers for green bay draft draft. That's elite pick draft mahlon. If jordan loves the quarterback downdraft okay meco collins for houston only draft him. If only to my rogers. The quarterback has the exact same nico collins. I'm not ready to say draft yet. Would we don't think we should ask questions like that about the texans are we even. We don't jets. If it's the shawn watson he's cleared he's playing week one hundred chance that we like we're gonna take a break from this game and play a new game one more receiver. Can we just finished renewing play new game at that he schwartz for cleveland. Me the schwartz. Be with you know. We're not gonna draft him fun fun. What reid receivers who have run that fast have been horrible. Nfl players it's jj nelson and john ross and marquees goodwin names. So maybe i'm missing some but but there have been a lot of bad ones who've been that many but there have been bad wide. Receivers have been blazing fast. I can't believe how fast they are so don't be seduced by. The speedy does not go to a good spot in cleveland. Either hayward bay all right. What's our new game. We're gonna play a game. Called on the texans current roster or not or no texan. Okay okay dante moncrieff. I know you just gotta embarrass me. I'm going to say he's on the texans roster correct. Yeah chris conley. He is on the roster. You're right chris more. Oh no he's not on the roster he's on the russian one isaiah coulter. He's other asser. Alex erickson isn't it alec. Oas alex erickson a former bengal. No yeah he is. Are you just reading the roster kind of a game was this rob. Okay yes there. S they have like seventeen wide receivers. They have eight running backs. They have six tight ends. I don't understand how they have so many players. None of them are good. No no but that's not. That's not the way the restaurant is work. You don't get a at amount of talent and you can distribute amongst players. You want to game. Nickel collins is good then then he could be the number very easily be their second receiver. Adam you wanna play one. More texan no texan Fide devin funchess. He's not on the texans yes he is his. Name's nico collins moncrieff. Let's talk about the quarterback sort of a dynasty perspective. How are you ranking. How are you ranking kyle. Trask on tampa bay kellyn. Mon- minnesota davis mills houston side of my top. Thirty eight all below jordan. Love i. i'm sorry. I just met rookies. Only no okay. Mind is my favorite of the three. You named. i guess mills would be next and trask last. I would go mills. Trask monde but again they range from. I said thirty eight. I think it might actually be in the forty s now Forty four to forty. Nine ish i i. I hope we don't ever watch these guys throw. Nfl passes really. It's a nice thing to say. I don't cure mon- makes me intrigued. I don't think they're starters. I think they'll play if the starter's get hurt and i don't want anybody hurt. Did you watch a lot of davis mills. A little davis mill watched vary labor. Nobody washed very much. Yeah right right when we played thirteen games. I i'm not blown away by them. I i think. I i think what the texans did with. Both of their picks was just take the best available player that was on their board. And that's it and obviously they've got some quarterback things going on so it made sense to get davis mills but if tyrod stinks. Is this the week. One starter for the houston. Texans quarterback They also have ryan finley. Oh never mind. I would've gotten that one right. Yeah texan would say nope not all name. Somebody wasn't about the tight ends from dynasty standpoint. Here pat firearm youth to pittsburgh in the second round hunter. Long to the dolphins trout. Tommy trembled carolina trae mckinney to the chargers. All of them in the third round long clear. The hell is jordan. Yeah we told you on for. He's he's small brevin jordan. Six foot two. Which is what jordan reed was. That's the guy that Emery compared brevin jordan too. But he small and tommy trembles a good blocker train. The is is One of the best blockers in the class in line blockers in the class coordinated. Chris masoe does our scout discounting for us So keep that in mind but frame. Youth hunter long tremble. Mackenzie are you guys excited about these players in dynasty. No no not at all. Fryer move the only one who will be in my top thirty six in rookie. Only i would play farm youth in scrabble. A lot of points for that name long had a really good year. You'd only get five points for well unless you have double word triple word okay. I think we're done for the day. Thank you guys. Go get some sleep so Tomorrow tune in shrager you there. Can you tell us what to do. Programming noon eastern. We'll be live on fantasy football today. Youtube channel and then we'll have another podcast tomorrow night. Probably around nine nine thirty eastern. 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Episode #051  THE Game.

Menace 2 Society Podcast

41:59 min | 1 year ago

Episode #051 THE Game.

"It is Friday November twenty ninth and welcome to menace to sports the rivalry edition the Special Michigan Zhigang Ohio state. The game addition really excited for this show. I think this is the best analysis I've had all year into a game into two teams and I'm really excited to talk a little bit about sports media. journ calm I can't call him. Analysts like lack of analysts ineffective analysts. We're GONNA talk about the dumb ass of the week coming up in this show also going to really dive in breakdown. Ohio state on Offense Defense Michigan the match up how I see what I see that needs to happen for them to win this football game and in what is really in my opinion. They're the only test they have left. I don't think they'll have a test and the big ten championship. So if they want that ONC- they want to be in the college. Football reality is. I think they'll be in the playoffs. They lose this game and win the big ten but that one seat is so critical. So it's going to be really really awesome to watch this weekend. I think Alabama's upset. We'll talk about that later in the show and I also want to talk about just rivalries in college football across the country that ones that I've been a part of that I've seen in and other ones that I haven't seen that are relevant and possibly even the ones that are playing this weekend like the iron bowl but really excited about the show as always as I mentioned if you're interested in joining the movement if you're interested in feedback or anything or advertising sponsorships reach out to me Zach at menace to sport or menace to society podcast dot com and and then also wanted announce that we're playing with video content. We're putting out some little teaser. Some some kind of rough attempts because we're really trying to get it all set up and I think it's going to be done after this weekend. Had to had to make this the priority for sure and then after this this weekend we're going to be launching video content restructuring the entire Patriot subscription services. Really the whole a platform and then launching a new website written content. So much going on and it's really thanks to you so I appreciate all of you. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving if you celebrated and even if not I hope you enjoyed time with friends and family and it's rivalry week man. Let's let's get to the show. Ken Swing Screen. Look out now. How can angle down the side on about this baby is over this task? It Smith Away from talk Menace to society. I welcome to episode fifty one in huge episode for menaces sports as we really analyze rivalry. Week we're GONNA talk about some of the rivalries in college football tours end of the show talking about Alabama Auburn which is upset alert down in. SEC country will bow knicks. Be Able to defeat. The two Willis Alabama Crimson tide. And Give Nick Sabin another loss in the rivalry game but before we get to that. We're also obviously going to break down. The biggest game of the year or the biggest game for for the Midwest will say the game. The rivalry Ohio State Michigan GonNa hear Urban S- thoughts from the Fox big noon kickoff and also going to play a little audio from what they are hearing in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center in Ohio State country but first we have to decide. who was the dumb ask announcer of the week? I have two submissions. Might be a co dumb ass week because they are equally as dumb but first considering the rivalry considering the takes that this former heisman trophy winner has i WanNa play the audio from the Desmond. Howard I don't know anything but and I WANNA heisman his time on get up on? Espn let's listen to what Desmond had to say. Who has a better Michigan or Ohio? Taylor team better this year than they were a year ago. Wow you know I think listen on the paper. But when they had some resistance against Penn state they didn't look like the dominant dominant team that we saw blowing every by forty one points they only beat them by eleven so when they got a little bit even Justin feels like bubble waist daycare Dobbins. I'm just saying I played a good team three times and won. You know what I think. I've made my point. How ridiculous is that? This man said first of all we already talked about the Penn State game game but I'm GonNa reiterate for Desmond if he's not listening for this to tag him on it. They beat a team by double digits. It was a top ten team and after turning the ball over three times they also beat Wisconsin pretty handily. You should look how your wolverines did against that team. This is embarrassing that this guy gets paid money and I get it name recognition He he won a heisman. That's that's his credibility. I don't know why that is relevant but before we get to our second take for Oh also oh is a high state of better team. This year he said. I don't think so what they have the best defense in college football this year last year their defense was Putrid Hor horrific. Are they better this year. I mean the dumbest human being in the world has never watched football. If they watched one game from us. Your one game this year. They was like. Oh Oh my gosh. That is much improvement on that football team. But it just before we get to our second contestant in the dumb ass of the Week Award let me remind you as listeners as viewers people that turn on the TV you empower these people if you want to listen to Gary Danielson or Desmond Howard or Booger McFarland or ESPN Game Day. If you turn it on you give them ratings which reinforces these jackasses in the media to continue tend to be in the media. I can't do it I can't turn on. ESPN fortunately that's why this segment is kind of went away. Because I can't watch it so I'd sometimes don't know oh how dumb these people are. Fortunately are followers. Our listeners are subscribers. Send me the tweets and audio and then I get to hear it but I won't do it I I won't give them my viewership my rating and I certainly won't be watching Desmond Howard tell me anything about college football. Because he doesn't know anything. It's like some some of these people. USPA inputs on the second. The second contestant Heather dench man. She's been on this show more than than most people heather tweeted. Why wait until that game to put them number one after the pen obviously talking about Ohio state jump and Lsu after beating Penn State? She said they had been crushing teams all season with with and without chase young so they fumbled three times win by eleven smallest margin of victory all season. What changed what is it as simple as another ranked opponent so she wants to talk about fumbled three times? It made me think okay. What does she referencing here? Oh it'll have state turns the ball over a lot that's why they're not better than Lsu. They won by eleven and a top ten matchup. They didn't allow six hundred yards to old miss. They have dominant defense. But so I wanted to look at it obviously sleep. That's her point right Ohio state. Turn the ball over more than Lsu. Why would you have them jump them? Now we'll have stay knows you both twelve turnovers so I'd say equally is sloppy with the ball actually decent nationally. But maybe Justin feels and Joe Borough. Maybe they're just fields is just completely lackluster. Bluster and irresponsible with the ball and Joe Boroughs phenomenal just feels eleven. Turnovers Joe Burrow ten. That's it so that is the the huge differential that is what made heather finish wonder why her employer's stock is going to go down one point as Fox big noon kickoff. Kicks Her ass kicks Desmond Howard's ass kicks curb streets us. Isn't it funny so I would challenge. You don't turn it on don't turn on. ESPN I mean you can turn on the Games. I I you have to watch the game if it's on. ESPN I have to. But I certainly won't listen to people as analysis show or pregame show. I won't do it so I challenge you to the same all right. Let's get to the game. Ohio State Michigan the rivalry. But before we we get to it. I want to start off. I WanNa hear Urban Meyer's words after I play for you the audio to get you in the mood for the game the audio to get you ready for the game the Audio uh-huh that these players and coaches in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center at Ohio State have been listening to at Nauseam all week to the point where you can't script practice you can't even I think because it's playing so loud but it does do this. It makes you hate that team and want to beat them even more so a little. Ll Cool J.. It's time for war coming at you right now. It's morning I can't be back I'm always Quite a win among different but how he liked her up in the ten year war in for everybody out there. The tenure award it was is this. You had woody Hayes. The legendary coach and his former Assistant Boesch Becker took over. I believe it was sixty nine. And then they beat the Buckeyes when they were number one and it was away it was not a big game. That's what we have to get. We got to clear the deck here. It wasn't a big game or big week. This is a way of life. I remember going up in that time that you go to school and I guess maybe I drank the Kool aid more than most but brady remember the state of Ohio. I mean that's all that people talked about. People say could lose every game but you have to win that one I actually she believed that. I think bazaars that is you have to. It's a very unique robbery. The respect is immense however this is the world this is not a big game. It's not a big week and that's a question I have Charles is that I remember that tenure or now and I remember just the way the approaches in Columbus and really the state of Ohio. This this is every day of the year. For example you go into recruiting board at Ohio State. No one else matters you know every player. That's being recruited by the team up north. You know everything. I study either workouts. I studied what camps are going to and every how about this every year during the season I would have one coach constantly watching film and everyone's today I'd go in there and check and see what they're doing offensively and defensively so once again this we have to once again cleared. That gets not a big game. It's not a big week. It's a way of life there. It is the words from the legendary Buckeye coach Urban Meyer. It is a way of life and the reality is the Buckeyes had been working on this game all year. It is time to find out if Ohio state can overcome their rival overcome this hostile environment the elements of the the weather and become a big ten champion in a week and become the number one seed in the College Football playoff. 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I know everyone knows that but in this game it's going to kill him. Unlike Penn state they were able to overcome it. I don't see this as that game especially on the road especially in the rivalry. I don't see this as a another game where they turn it over three times. They'll overcome it. The scariest thing right now is as good as justin fields has been throwing the football and protecting the ball when he throws it with one interception on the year here. He's fumbled the ball ten times now and that. That can't happen overall taking the backup quarterbacks out of it because honestly if they play Ohio state is screwed regardless of what happens. States fumbled the ball. Eighteen Times on the year. Michigan actually has been more careless with the football coughing up. Sixteen sometimes but Michigan has been more careless with the football with their their starters in the game. I mean. They've caught up sixteen times to less than Ohio state but shape. Patterson has been the one that has been the most careless and the most concerning not only. Is He fumbled at ten times. Also just like justin fields but he's thrown five interceptions and putting them in the bottom half half of the country as a passer states also seventh in the country at creating turnovers. They've created twenty-three turnovers on the year. And that's going to be a huge point of contention edged in this game. Michigan has been sixty six in the country. Giving it up. They'll be the difference in the game. Who wins the turnover battle? You say that a lot but I think in this game with what we're going to get to analysis allison wise. That is the difference. Thirty six degrees possible rain. The worst possible elements cold and rainy. There's nothing worse rather it. Be Snowing or warm and rainy you you can't. You can't contend with cold and rainy but looking at Ohio state on offense obviously we just said can't turn the ball over I. He has been phenomenal. Just it feels phenomenal throwing the ball. He's been careless holding the ball so I'm sure that was a point of emphasis this week in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center outside of turning the ball over the real question for me for Ohio. State is how can Ohio State Specifically Brandon Bowen. The right tackle in therapy for the left tackle cow. Well can they protect Justin feels when they throw it. And how much will they throw it. The reality is when you're left. Tackle supposedly your best athlete Best Lineman Best Pass. Protector is the lowest graded lyman on your team. Impasse pro and forty I in the big ten. You have a weakness and it's been identified after whatever eleven gains. The other concerning part is Michigan has four defensive ends with twenty one sacks this year in total. Now no one has a chase you know one in the country but Michigan four players in the top seventeen in the big ten at sacking taking the quarterback. They have eight players who would be second to only chase young on Ohio state with sixteen or more. QB Hurries Ohio. States pass has been a major liability to the point that they cannot completely let Justin feels. Loosen the throw game. That's what we've watched as was evident last week when they rushed the ball. Sixty one times against a good pass pass rush coming from the nittany. Lions and Penn State. They have allowed eighty-six pressures this year. And that's the only stat or analytic. That is not top twenty in America. When you're looking at Ohio upstate's offense getting the the main player in this game and really any game obviously? He's the quarterback justin fields. Well first of all Michigan fans let me tell you this. I'm I'm sorry to break the news. I'm sorry that you're conspiracies are not going to play out. But he's GonNa play in this game. He's not on the injury report he was gonNA play anyways. I mean in this game. You can't can't roll without your your feel general now. I think the key this game is going to be throwing the ball down the field and just it feels as being decent added him and share about at the same. He's twenty three or fifty three over twenty yards with now the key Status Fifteen touchdowns on twenty four twenty five completions and zero interceptions zero zero fifteen to zero over twenty yards. That's phenomenal. We need to see more of it. They have to test this secondary down the field now. Michigan's defense is one of the best in the country and will be the best. Ohio state is face to date there great. It is the fifth best defense in America on pro football focus. And this'll be a major test in a hostile environment for Justin fields. In the Buckeyes they average single. Digit missed tackles on the year which everyone knows. It's been my big stat. They actually only have one more miss tackle than Ohio state who is leading in the country and leading the conference. Obviously in Miss Tackles now what I think. People don't realize we talked about it briefly. Brian Day has an unspoken respect and rivalry for Michigan. Defense Coordinator Don Brown. Don't take that lightly. That is a major key to the game especially after he capitalized on that rivalry and on on his insights into Don Brown last year for five hundred sixty seven yards eight touchdowns at sixty two total points so Ryan Day was Offense Coordinator Boston College when Don Brown was the defensive coordinator and they had a a mutual respect and rivalry. And I think there's a little bitterness in Ryan Day when Boston College had a top five defense in the country. Boston in college on offense didn't have the skill and personnel. That Ohio state has so there was kind of a mismatch I would imagine he got his ass kicked in and practice quite regularly and that created a bad taste in his mouth and he likes to let you know about it last as more than likely going to ride the nation's fourth best rushing attack and grind out a poor weather game. That's probably what will it happened. The difficult part will be lining up against a top ten rushing defense. That limits big runs better than anyone else. Ohio state has played the reality reality. The game is when Ohio state has the ball. Can they extend drives the number one third down offense in the country against the eleventh best defense in the same scenario areo means one thing first and second down efficiency is critical. Not that it ever isn't but more importantly when you're facing such a good defense getting adding to third and six or less is going to be a critical part of this game. And if they do that the one thing Michigan has been extremely poor at is red zone defense they the need to keep drives alive get to third medium or short drive down the field and get in the red zone. Michigan is ninety second in the country at preventing touchdowns wants teams entered the red zone. So how has to get in the money's zone. They have to get down there and how they will do that. We'll be special teams field position and then first and second down efficiency agency to get to third downs that they can convert and face. It just feels is going to run a little bit in this game. He has to. You cannot not do that with him. Now we'll tell you this just feels ridiculous when there's no pressure probably one of the best in the country and although he has a decline in production when he's under pressure as any quarterback would he is actually pretty dynamic Hamic when he's been pressured also the I think the most reliable member of zone six has to show up in K. J. Hill. He's second in the big ten in in Ca- catching nine eighty two percent of his targets. So he is Mr reliable and he's the one they have to turn to in a game like this in an atmosphere like this the one something we haven't seen out of the offensive skill for the Buckeyes is dynamic open-field running the most dynamic starter with the ball and has been jk Dobbins as we've watched all year he forces and Miss Tackle on every twenty-three touches not exceptional but he's the most effective with the ball in his hands so the next question. I have for Ohio. State is going to be how they can get Chris. Oh Lavi in a shot play situation. He has eight of seventeen over twenty yards but the thing to watch. We'll see how they can get him to field as right side so as a receiver receiver a right handed receiver specifically and you're running down the field to the right to just fields right. Your dominant catching is your right hand. Because that's the hand that stops the Football Caja. Chris Alavi has been phenomenal when his right hand stopping the football when his left hand is stopping the football on Justin feels left side. He has not made a deep catch yet. He's zero percent. He's fifty seven percent effective with his right hand his dominant catch in. So I want to see how they can get Chris. Alavi two fields right and take a shot downfield the most reliable shot receiver downfield. Receiver has been K.. J. Hill though. He's only had nine targets on a little over half of Alavi targets. He's sixty seven percent. Downfield ben Victor forty-two percent off in Mac forty percent and then Garrett Wilson thirty three percent downfield so they have a slew of guys that can do it. It's a matter of if they can hold up in press arrest pass Bro and if they can execute that in this magnitude of game now I will say Michigan has a stood at corner they really have a duo of corners that are the best still have states scene but the Avert Hill Detroit King. High School is the most effective cover corner in the big ten this year. He's allowed to catch on every twenty three snaps in coverage that's outstanding. And he and Vincent Gray. The duo are by far the best island defenders. The buckeyes have faced to date. Vincent is fifth in the the big ten. He allows a catch on every twenty-one snaps so how can zone six attack the best corners. They faced my opinion. Michigan's game plan has to be very very simple. They need to load. The box. Outnumber Ohio State move the defensive line regularly with either pressures or run stunts on first and second down to to attack an average fundamental align. If we're being honest make Ohio state throw it down the field to beat you because number one. They haven't had to do that all year. And thirty seventh most explosive pass offense in the country and number two they will have to hold up in pass. Pro Longer and Michigan can try to get after Justin fields that has has to be the game plan when we analyze this game. It's going to be critical to see how the offensive line can move the line of scrimmage if you if you really watch the games and look at the analytics and study study. The film the right side of the offense align has been the best side and pass Bropher Ohio state but the worst in in the run game. Jk Dobbins averages almost two more yards per carry. Sorry at seven point seven yards per carry behind the left side of Greg stood Roy was offense align getting jk in the open field with their outside zone schemes and perimeter perimeter run game will be critical. Michael when he does. He can be an impact player. He averages three yards per carry on outside runs to the right and six yards and over six yards to the left. That's almost doubled. Production to the left side now. The interior runs his where it's even more evident. He averages eight point six yards per carry between the tackles to the left. He needs to the ride. That left side Jonah Jackson Mumford. And if they're going to attack them right up the middle and they have to win this game. This is going to be a toughness game so I really look for Ohio state to do that. And I look for Michigan to try to load the box and force justin fields to throw it downfield. They'll sit on routes they'll sit on intermediate routes short routes the watch out for the crossers. They'll have been worked on passing seeing those off all week really probably all year after how last year went. And then it's going to be about ten and Brandon Bowen. Hold up past pro when when it comes time to launch the ball down the field and how do they get K J hill on one on one. How do they get? It's going to be about that third corner. How can they avoid trying to attack two of the best five five in the conference and get a slot like a cage? Hiller Alavi in the slot and take a shot down on their third best cover player. It's going to be critical and then turnovers always turnovers. So That's how I see game going for offense on the offensive side of the ball for Ohio state and we're going to take a break right now and be back in a minute and talk about the other side of the ball in in. What is the biggest game of the year and obviously the greatest rivalry in all sports right back after this support for mets to sports comes from manscaping who is the best? Best in men's below the belt grooming manscaping offers precision engineered tools for your family jewels. I have to ask. Have you ever groomed your pride and joy. I I will tell you this after our tailgate this past weekend I had countless numbers of our listeners. Subscribers that flat told me they were like man that that manscaping stuff everything that you talked about. I ordered it and it was a difference maker. 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Offensively for Michigan. They you have a fifty five spot disadvantage in the menace analytics when they have the football and that is extremely concerning now shape. Patterson has to play. Well we all know that and what he has done well with his slew of receivers as throw the ball down the field. He's about the same field. Twenty one to forty five sixteen and two picks not as not as pawtucket lucked productive in scoring points on deep balls but in hitting them gaining junkyards. The question is how can Ohio state unsettling disrupt j unlike Justin feels when Shay Patterson is pressured he drops from sixty four percent completion to thirty eight percent completion. So how's things going to get after. Obviously that's the game plan with a guy like chase young. You would imagine when that would happen but the real question is how is Greg Maddison GonNa get chase young matched up on Jalen Mayfield. Michigan's right tackle. He's allowed twenty quarterback pressures pressure this year double his counterpart left tackle. Jon Runyan he is the greatest liability in pass protection in passing situations for Michigan. So how can Ohio state either get chase. This young matched up on him or with all the attention on chase. Young Kennedy Tyreek Smith Take Advantage of that Achilles heel of his Michigan. Offense offense the old line at Michigan has been horrific at times in Ed warners. Group have allowed forty nine qb pressures this year already now. That's only one more than Ohio states. Achilles yalies you on their own line so this is really about whose line can protect the quarterback editor to average. That's what we're looking at now. We'll say this. The into into your alignment the two guards and centers have been extremely solid and pass bropher Michigan. It's all it's all been the tackles. All three of the Interior. Linemen are in the top four pass grade wise lies in the big ten. So don't look for Dave on Hamilton or BB landers Jay Sean Cornell to get a lot done in the interior. Now you talk about the skill at Michigan they have some dynamic players. The most dynamic receiver with the ball in his hands for Michigan is Ronnie Bill. He forced his four. Some twelve miss tackles this year. He averages almost double any other receiver on the roster in yards after catch eleven yards after the catch now is one downfall to watch out for is he has butter fingers. He has seven drops on the year. It isn't as bad as J hamlet from Penn state but it's triple anyone else on Michigan's offense and what Ronnie Bell is not is a deep ball wide receiver ever. He's one of twelve on the year when targeted over twenty years. So don't expect a bunch of shots to runny bill. He's more of an intermediate possession receiver that makes a play after he catches the ball. Now they have some deep ball receivers Meco collins nine or fourteen sixty four percent over twenty yards Tariq Black fifty six percent over twenty yards. The funny one is Donovan People's Jones. WHO's I think? One of the best in the country overall. He's two of six on depots but he's also a lot like Chris Alavi over three when his left Tana's dominant hand so look for him to make plays when he's on the right hand side of shape. Patterson it's not something you commonly look at but you'll notice it and Ronnie Bell eight percent in over twenty yards so don't expect them to try to take shots to the reality of this past attack is how will that match up on Jeff. How Okuda performer? On Nico Collins that has to be the game plan get him on Nico Collins and then how can Sean Wade Blanket Ronnie Bell on those intermediate and short routes the other their key. That is less talked about when we look at this. Ohio state team is how the best free safety in the big ten and the third most effective cover posts safety Jordan fuller can impact hack these deep balls. That's what he does best. He is allowed a reception on fifty eight snaps in coverage every fifty eight snaps. He'll allow reception. That's third third in America. So his ability to read the scheme understand the passing concepts and really toy with shape. Patterson redes- is studying tendencies and be able to blanket blanket. The back of the defense is going to be huge and it should provide that last line of Defense for for Okuda Wade and Damon are net. Who has yet to allow a touchdown this year? The other thing I'm interested the DISEA- is how Josh Gad is trying to use the tight end nick eubanks on Pete Warner in the silver bullet linebackers because he is a possession tight end the Buckeye defense defense will need to sit on his routes. He is never been targeted over twenty yards downfield and I wouldn't expect that to change especially with the deep ball threats. They have out wide receiver mark. So it'll be how they can sit on his routes and how they can undercut his intermediate routes and don't allow him to make an impact in that intermediate idiot range. The in this atmosphere and whether Michigan will have to rely on a horrific run game to win the game jump balls downfield or not going to be as effective against the best cornerback in college football and another corner and Demon Arnett that has yet to allow a touchdown and that is the key. Michigan doesn't have a single running back averaging more or yards per carry than anyone in the backfield allow state not one guy against this rush defense at Ohio state. It will be worse than ever. So it'll be how. How can they run the ball? How effectively can they protect? Shay try to limit chase young and take shots down the field and who are they going to take them on on with. Who are they really going to plan to Attack Jeff Okuda I know Nico Collins is really good player in a deep ball threat? But that's the best corner in college football and then are they going to use runny bill to single up on Shaun Wade. I would imagine they're going to find ways to get Damon Damon Arnett and coverage. That's what I would imagine. They're gonNA try to do. And they're going to have to employ a quick pass game especially to get a rhythm for Patterson with chase young coming after them and the whole defensive line so it's GonNa be really interested in interesting to watch and I think I think it's an Ohio state victory but I think it's close and this is the most concerning matchup of the year for Ohio state state pre playoffs assuming it goes well the elements the past pro away in a rivalry game. This will be no walk in the park. But I expect the Buckeyes pull through win this game go on to win the big ten and take the number one seed in the college football playoffs. It's rivalry week. Man Get juiced up high noon. Ann Arbor Michigan the game. The House that university against the University of Michigan. Ah All right. We'll get to some Alabama Auburn conversation. We want to get the people as picks right back after a word from one of our sponsors right back after this. This podcast gas is brought to you by mybookie attention past President Future mybookie players for this week only mybookie is offering risk-free bet on the bears. Lions game simply choose the team against the spread for up to two hundred and fifty dollars if you win congrats. You've got extra grow holiday spending money if you lose. Congratulations to you as well. My bookie will give you your money Liebeck. It's a no brainer. Because you literally cannot lose. It's no risk all gravy. 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Make sure you do your part to support your team this season hop on the gravy train and get in on the action with my bookie I welcome back to menaces sports as we wrap. This thing up is rivalry week. Big Time rivalry week. And here's here's an interesting thing to note that I think is kind of wild is of all the rivalry matchups the three relevant rival rivalry matchups with playoff off contenders. Involved all have the team in contention on the road that makes for a scary possible outcome will how status to travel to Michigan in Clemson goes to South Carolina Alabama goes to Auburn. It's going to be really interesting so the one that I'm most outside of Michigan I think that's going to be the biggest game. It clemson at South Carolina. Is the real question. Here is can South Carolina. pull off another upset. Can they do it at home in a rivalry this clemson keep keep playing like they've been playing on offense the last four weeks or do they have a regression. Does Trevor Lawrence turn the ball over a little more than he has less four weeks. I think think that game is going to be critical to to watch to see if clemson plays the way they have the last four weeks. They're going to roll South Carolina. And then we're GONNA find out who they have to play. Virginia Virginia the attack. This weekend to see WHO CLEMSON's final. I don't know if you can call it a test but final game will be against before the playoffs but it interesting to watch that. Obviously Ohio State Michigan Oklahoma Oklahoma State. That's definitely upset. Alert and then Wisconsin ask Minnesota the winter that game to play the Buckeyes Navy Annapolis. That'll be a huge game. Also Oh but the game. The other relevant game that I wanted to talk about was Alabama travelling to Jordan Hare Stadium at Auburn. And here's the reality. Obviously this is a two talk of Iowa Lists Alabama. There is no tour. The reality is this mack. Jones though is not always not as dynamic a passer as he been performing on par with two statistically since two departure and when he was initially heard back with ankle midseason both around around seventy one percent. Completion percentage both around eleven yards per attempt both have a similar teed. Interception ratio is seven touchdowns one interception but Alabama so talented on the perimeter at receiver. That realistically if you just do your job you're going to be good enough on offense. Now if the defense can play there's a whole nother conversation. But that is d Erie Erie guarded or that disregards whether to as a quarterback or not. It's all on the defense and can they play up to the playoffs standard. Because that's not what's happening in Alabama right now but I'm really excited about these. These rivalries and I wanted to talk briefly before. Are we get the people's picks about rivalry gains. I've been a part of several Some small school wants temple. Villanova was one and I get it people. Yeah I don't care about that but it's a rivalry nonetheless. Marshall West Virginia was really cool that in state rivalry down the state of West Virginia. That was really cool. And then at Ed Florida. Florida has a bizarre three rivals. The Florida Tennessee rivalry was only because I think Tennessee was so relevant back in the Phil. Fulmer days with Phil Fulmer Steve Spurrier. So it's kind of lost its luster in the rivalry department. And then they really have the other to the cocktail party against Georgia. That's with SEC. Title implications every year. And then. It's the end matchup against Florida state. which is this weekend and it'll be interesting to see how that plays out with the Willie? Taggart mess going on on and Florida in Josh. Perry was on whatever Wednesday and he agreed Florida's in a pretender to an extent. I don't think they lose to Florida state but anyways really really. There's no rivalry that I've been a part of that compares to Ohio State Michigan. I also don't think there is another rivalry in in in the country. That I haven't been a part of the compares. There's some cool wants wants. Texas Oklahoma is a cool one. There's there's some Alabama Auburn the iron bowl is really important in the state of Alabama and in in the southeast but this rivalry up here in the midwest is just different dates back to her urban talk about it. I mean from the sixty nine year When Michigan upset the number one returning national champs number one overall team ever and they upset what Hayes? Ohio state Buckeyes is when it really started at the ten year war. or the between woody and Bo just so much going on in that rivalry that just makes it the best and so it is rivalry week. I'm excited for it. So before we close out the show WanNa make sure we get the people's picks knicks so this show might not be out in time for the first one but anyways people's picks he's got about ten games here so people ex Boise state minus thirteen and a half against Colorado auto state as at three thirty. So I don't know if it'll be out in time for that. But if not then tonight he likes APP. State minus twelve and a half at troy then on Saturday. Likes Georgia Tech at home. Plus Twenty eight and a half with Georgia coming to town Kentucky minus two and a half with Louisville coming to town. He likes Wisconsin minus three at Minnesota Alabama minus three and a half at Auburn. And I kinda liked that one to Baylor minus fourteen at Kansas Boston college plus nine at Pitt. UNC The tar heels minus nine at NC state LSU at home minus seventeen against Texas am and then. His final game is The West Coast Game Nine o'clock pm on Saturday. Byu minus three at San Diego State. 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"Hey for clan before we start today show we wanted to let you know about a little something special. We got going on at the end of august. Yes our one and only live show. You can get tickets right now. Ballers live dot com on august. Twenty eighth at seven pm. We're going live and you're going to be joining us all to be a blast if you'd better get to bars dot com. These things are selling like hotcakes. That's right we'll be at the crescent ballroom in phoenix. In late august. You can check it all out at bothers live dot com and once again. We're partnering with saint jude. Children's research hospital where ten dollars of every ticket are going straight to saint jude. Children's research hospital to support their mission of finding cures and saving children check it out at ballers. Live dot com. Hey this is. Patrick mahomes quarterbacks in the kansas city chiefs and you're listening to the fantasy footballers podcasts Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host. Andy holloway jason moore and mike grades. Welcome in all. We've got a great show. Thursday july fifteenth the nfl season inches. Closer by the day. Mike reid is here jason more. I'm andy holloway. Are we talking about the afc east today. No we already did that. My oh oh. Men don't have to do that again. We're talking about the afc west. Oh yeah that's much better more exciting for fantasy. Look if you're a fan of f. afc east team. that's fine. Yeah it this is just more fantasy football impact today on the show little bit more intrigue in terms of teams that will compete in the division. I think we know the chiefs are going to do it. But vegas is being pretty generous with the other three teams in this division at least two of them. Maybe i haven't seen the vegas line. So i don't know maybe they're being generous but i think there are two other teams in this division. I did see the vegas lines. Ooh oh they are being generous. Yeah well we'll see we'll see what you think. Nother jam packed. Show that we're right in the middle of our divisional breakdowns This is show four. We're wrapping up the afc today right brooks. That's right all done with the after. Today's divisional breakdown in the afc west. Have some nfl news. Talk about a couple of things at the top of the show. I want to let people know about first of all. We do have a winner slash loser for mike's autographed glamour. Shot big winner big time and you did. Yes biggest prize. That this show has ever given away by fizz physical size right which is value. Now i'll be al borland has figured how to ship it. Yeah i he's going to spend the next few days doing. But luke koch luke koch congratulations slash. I'm sorry you've won. Mike's glamour shot autograph. Please if you are inclined send us a picture of where you hang that thing also hang it somewhere very public very. oh yeah. I recommend the restroom we do. That'd be great. That'd be hilarious. 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That'd be two point four touchdowns per game. It's a high bar last year. We had three quarterbacks. Rodgers wilson brady. That's crazy that we had three the because since two thousand there have only been thirteen. Total seasons so last year was a lot and then mahomes pacing out for that as well now to be fair to the buyer. Sell coming up this next season. There are seventeen games and if you want to include people you've got to be fair to the buyer sell but my point here to repeat what andy said two seconds ago. My point here is that there are an additional twelve players. Who actually would have been a forty touchdown throwing a quarterback more game with one more game. That's right so the basically thirty seven just slightly over thirty seven Touchdowns thrown in sixteen games. So yeah so. They basically doubles the amount of players who over the last You know who would. What did you say well wolf. Additional players at is correct since two thousand. Oh okay so much more sense now. I thought you meant last year. There were twelve right on. The precipice was thrown such. You're saying yeah so there'd be twenty five in the last one. You still wouldn't be the the math wooden check for that to be what you would expect. Not for the by herself three doing it again. I went and i looked At at my stats to see how many players. I put over that threshold and i have to sell this. I actually have zero however that a lot. That's that is not necessarily You know. I bet zero. Were to get there. When i'm standing these players out I i'm i'm conservative. In their range of outcomes on you know every every player every position But i do think two players have a very good chance like like i. You know when you look homes. We look brady. I think those two are. They should be able to throw for forty if they have a great season. I'm buying this. Who is your third right now right now. I am mahomes. Rogers brady but i believe on seven with the seventeen game season the way these dak is coming back this year. He's a candidate for forty wilson. Did it last year. Josh allen. Got close So i think i will buy this one. Yeah i'm an easy sell. I have currently one projected Quarterback to pass the forty touchdown mark and the hard part about gauging from last year. Last year was insane with the scoring was was off of the charts. Which was one of those things you know. Historically you could have seen it coming where generally when the when the offseason is shortened and teams. Don't have a full training camp defenses. Suffer tremendously you. Saw it with The lockout before whatever of seven years ago or whatever you had a huge offensive output that you're covert hits. There's really no training camp or limited. I should say huge offensive output for twenty twenty. So i'm gonna sell and say that things were regress to the mean in terms of past total passing touchdowns across the league and even with the being fair. Of course chastened be fair to the or sell right. We need to care because there is one extra gain in two thousand twenty one. I'm going to sell okay brooks. We should keep track of this one. This will be a fun to return to at the end of the year and just see how it turns out. 'cause man they you're right. I mean last year was an anomaly. And i promise you dak would hit that number last. Oh yes what would have been more than three Which would have been kind of wild but that was by herself brought to you by pristine pristine action dot com user code ballers. And they'll give you ten bucks and you can buy a sweet piece of gear like the antonio gibson helmet were given away. Our has gone to the news. News and notes from around. The league presented vice sleeper. Espn reporting damian harris sure-fire number one. Here we go again in the backfield. In new england we go. Drumbeat has been getting louder for damian harris. Yes but haven't we all already assumed he's the clearcut. Yes running back one for the team like we have sure but i guess my point is does it matter. Yes does it matter. If he's the cut running back why jason saying in the answers kind of know we all assume that. And you're not saying something like nobody's saying. James white looks to be the clear. Cut pass catching running back for the new. Yeah of course like being the number one running back in new england is step one of like three things. You have to to have any relevance cam newton being your quarterback scoring twelve times last year. That's a problem. Not young on third down and getting the ball thrown to you. That's a problem. I like damian. Here's i'm not. it's not zero percent chance. He has a breakout season. Like there's a. He is somebody that you could absolutely having the breakout category. Give them enough carries. Sure things go the right way touchdown wise. He's at eight right. He gets to seven or eight. And you're you've stolen him late in the draft in the eighth around. That's why it matters. It matters right now because if you're doing a draft if you're doing basketball and those types of things deeming is not a fourth round pick. He's not in that area where you're the you the known the really good running backs they're gone and sonya you're grabbing at players. I think there are the starting running back but your investing such a high draft. Pick that if you're wrong you just passed on an outrageously good wide receiver in that range but right now he's a he's in an area where this is fantastic arpey thirty three like that's wild to me guy who last year. They're only thirty two. Nfl teams right. Yes for congress. Thank you exactly So last year in his games that would put them on a seventeen gay pace of of nearly two hundred thirty three attempts. The i mean his eleven hundred rushing our pace. Maybe that hits maybe that doesn't but opportunities for a running back going that late. yes. I am extremely interested. It will He's like this will drive. Adp up the bigger question is where does he end up by august but even still i don't see him getting up past the sixth round at which point into sixth a starting running back very interested all right there. Next bit of hype. I do buy. I have bought all offseason. And i find to be maybe the best actual value at the running back position. We're talking about david. Montgomery who ended last year on fire nagy came out and said he wants twenty rushing attempts per game for david. Montgomery will get it who knows last year in that electric season. Sixteen point five bad offensive line. That's improving He averaged nineteen point three during a six game. Stretch during you know that run. But i think david montgomery is and more importantly will be undervalued in august in-draughts right now the rb nineteen. I think he's a steal. I really do. He may end up a my go grow. Might end up my guy because nobody wants. Mike just said oh gross. Yeah exactly which means that. This is why say his value will remain there. Yeah i mean. Look david montgomery is is far more valuable. We're talking about obviously different areas of the draft couple rounds part but damian harris versus david. Montgomery who was last year is running back four. I you know i. It is completely being disrespected right now at the three. Four turn I you know. I would rather take a shot on david. Montgomery being what we saw at the end of the year i don't project him to be that And also right there are are great wide receivers but we've seen enough on the field and enough involvement and the fact that the head coach. This isn't a beat reporter. There's the head. Coach wants to get him the ball a lot It's a good option for fantasy if you draft a wide receiver early or your the travis. Kelsey darren waller Team stealing david montgomery at the end of the third round or the top of the fourth round. I think you have something solid no matter what and you might have something great right. That's how i view montgomery. That's that's a fair way to look at it because even let's see i'm looking at my rankings. I have him project right now. Rb twenty so the rb. Nineteen on abe. I'm not far off of what people out there. Drafting believe about david montgomery but we have seen the upside before. I just am out on. I'm out on him repeating that again that makes sense. That's why you don't. I'm ranked to foia. But i'm saying i'm out rb one top twelve for david. Montgomery i would not take that. I do think that there is a pathway with justin fields. Where this offense is better. just in general Is is a higher scoring better. Moving pedder with andy dalton was last year. Yeah sure so well. Andy dalton nick foles. They're so close to me right which is where he did. Put up elite numbers with those horrible. Horrible bisky layer. Don't forget about that. We'll talk more about it. Sounds like meco collins texans rookie. Wide receiver should have a chance at a lot of snaps. Early makes a lot of sense when you look at houston's depth chart wide receiver They traded up to get him in the third round so familiarize yourself with the name. Nico collins Brandin cooks is on the other. Gross draft pick lists with. Maybe david montgomery and some of these other names benico collins. What he goes thank here. I love it and upside. Yeah there's absolutely. Upside is the today to pick a day. Two pick from a team that had very limited draft capital Just going into the draft and then they go after their guy nico collins. Yes he was. He became one of my favorite later round. Rookie picks up if it really is taylor. As the quarterback for this team for the season nico call is probably not going to be that in interesting this year for fantasy but he has a name that you should familiarize yourself with right now. Yeah more more for dynasty than redraft. But he's certainly good at nico collins an an ross saint brown for the detroit lions. These are two rookies that you might not be familiar with their names. But they're opportunities are wide open in front of them. They have very little competition and if they can prove themselves than they will be on the nfl field getting targets more than you know. A lot of other rookies all right. That was today's news. Notes presented has always by sleeper switcher. League to the fastest growing fantasy platform in the world is all right. Let's move on. Let's get divisional. All right we're in the afc west. Let's start at the top. The tip top of the league fourteen and to the kansas city chiefs coming in with a vegas win total projection of you wanna guess jason when these because you've been very close and you never cheat may be I cheated things. But i've not cheated this. I would say well when i did. You already see it. I did not. But i would take the over twelve and a half. Okay you lose sucker. You know. Only two losses. The raiders got him in week five and then week. Seventeen was really. They didn't play their starter. So man. That's the that's the way you want to beat the chiefs game to play the ought not play the martyr in week eighteen right. That's that's that's my like coaching strategy. Crazy staff from last year every single game from week nine through sixteen for the chiefs last year was the one score game seven consecutive one score games. Wow and they went seven or no. Oh so mahalo. Mahomes the goat there. I did to me that is. That's having the closer that's michael jordan in the final minute. That's kobe in the final minute. You've got mahomes and you end up winning those games. That's not anomalous to me. That is very novelist to me. 'cause you even you list. Those names kobe and jordan. Yeah they made a lot of buzzer-beaters they also missed alive on rivera. That in better yeah. That's better incredible. You not only pronounce the but knew it. Yeah baseball that was great until game seven. I want to know that. I know we don't have right now brooks but i'd love to know the historical patrick mahomes one score game totals. 'cause i doubt they're much different. He wins these games. Peyton manning wins those games. Tom brady windows seven. Oh sure maybe you all the ball bounces the wrong way. In three of those games you're fort your eleven five. Yeah is very different. All right They had the worst red zone defense in football last year. Number think when the other team gets into the red zone the defense back don't matter homes homes will take care of this. Let's pack it in. We didn't hold him. Let let them in go. I'm tired seventy seven percent of the time. Their opponent scored a touchdown in that situation and they got to the super bowl. Yeah points per game last year. Obviously the offense is incredible. Six in points per game. I and total yards first in passing yards rushing attempts. I mean everybody. Wanted clyde edwards helaire to come in and take over and give you the cream. Hot rookie. season didn't happen at all He did have to give you the kareem hunt season. No why look. They didn't lean on him. i think. That's there's two parts of it right part of it is. Could you get that elite season but part of it is are they gonna let him be part of the identity as the offense in kansas city and the answer was no. I think that's why people were more disappointed is because there wasn't a game where you go. I mean in that rookie. Year for cream on it was like oh. That's a kareem hunt game. Yes was maverick clyde game. It's always a mahomes game in kansas city. So that does not to say anything about clydes potential. But we haven't seen him take over and fly or Kareem's rookie year. I mean you have One like six or seven games where he had twenty plus attempt sound. I'm gonna look it up. The did clyde ever have twenty plus a yes. yeah so you had twenty five carries. He had twenty or more carries three times including week. one week. one okay. We definitely compounded into our feelings. About clyde 'cause it was first round. I running back for the highest scoring offense in the league. This is incredible. Andy reid running backs More often than not give you incredible fantasy football seasons and then week one twenty five carries for one hundred thirty eight yards and a touchdown i know he had the multiple Getting stuffed on the goal line thing that people started to debate about. But you go from that into not getting twenty plus carries a game. I think that that also factored in because before he before he got hurt he was a top twelve running back. Whether the something interesting to think about with this offense and with clyde specifically is that unlike you know the run heavy teams like tennessee. You can absolutely not include a running game and dominate in. Nfl game. Sure so you don't have the feature it you don't have to focus on you don't have to resort to at any point in time. If patrick mahomes wants the ball in his hands that can happen. You can lose. You can have a game like that like you're saying where where he's got a handful of carries in. They used somebody else in you know. You're you're going to have what they added. Jerick mckinnon they still have daryl williams. They lost damian williams. That's the other side of the coin. With the upside of clyde he's a multidimensional playing catch the football even last year. He was one of only fourteen running backs with two hundred thirty five opportunities in this quote unquote madrick year. So there is upside there. He's just not wasn't the focal point. Last year won't be this year. Yeah he's not going to be the focal point. But i do believe that. He is one of the best values right now because he's being drafted at what i believe his floor. Is you know he's right right now. The lowest i could see him finishing a full season. Or you know fifteen or sixteen games would basically be like running back sixteen and that's where he's being drafted but his upside is absolutely top five in this offense so you talk about possible my guys. This is someone where. When i have been in the third round and clyde falls there i just i really have a hard time not taking even if i've already gone running back running back or it allows you to take kelsey clyde edwards layer to me. He's he's a massive value because of the disappointment of last year and he was a rookie. Like we can't forget that you know pass protection and and all those things that we bring up with other players. He's only going to be more involved this year I don't think he's going to be less involved. So i'm i'm a. He's my favorite Kind of value running back right now. He scores he was The rushing touchdowns also really hurt him. You at four. Four total on the season So you have you know he. He was averaging touched on every forty five attempts. And meanwhile you guys. You guys like melvin gordon twenty f- touchdown every twenty four attempts. Jonathan taylor every twenty one attempts kenyan drake who kept. He felt like he kept getting stuff over. And over. Every twenty four rushing attempts. You have some positive touchdown. Regression coming for clyde edwards alert even if he is not hitting kareem hunt levels of twenty five attempts per game. I agree. I think there's a chance for that to happen. I mean it's a team. Much like with aaron rodgers and green bay a few years ago where they're very comfortable just throwing the football inside the five being throwing it to travis kelsey Shovel passing it to travis. Kelce kill that free can tap pass. Yeah passes so they do. They do creative things inside the red zone. They don't just hand the ball off but I mean it's it's a difference between him and like david montgomery right were montgomery could be the focal point of the entire bare office. He probably will be. That probably will be their offense or do you want david montgomery and they're both third guys so if you're like in the middle of the third you're choosing which one you want. Would you go cloud or david montgomery right now. I i have them two spots apart. I have david montgomery higher okay so But but there's tons of upside for clyde lobbying attached that offense they have rebuilt their offensive line like full like they watch the film then they threw what the super bowl through a new bucket and then they redid their offense of line they brought in the big trade for orlando brown. Joe thune their guard full remake. I mean that could mean good things but it it is a transition. They've got coming back from The cova dr I think they're only returning one starter. Which continuity is important for offensive line but the actual players right you in this is an upgraded offensive line. Which was there clear whole Last year where. You draft patrick mahomes. That's the question because we all think he's great. He's the number one and number two fantasy option. This year quarterback i'm comfortable. He's one of the. He's probably the only quarterback. I can say this about but because of the historical success. I am comfortable in the third round. Taking patrick mahomes if you want to do it. I'm not going to beat you up over it. I mean he's he's been a quarterback one in seventy five percent of all of his starts. He and i've had him on tees and it's great because you know nine times out of ten. You're beating your opponent at that position and with him. Not being the for third down. I could live with it. It's really tough for me because while you can easily argue that the value is there for someone as such a known commodity as patrick mahomes. I have kyle ahead of them encounters going into fifth. So i can't imagine taking mahomes. Where is this year is. It seems to me I'm going to be almost exclusively late round draft pick because if tyler goes up any more than. I'm just gonna wait to wait till the late rounds. Yeah there's no way i'm gonna give mahomes unfortunately I do wanna talk about the wide receivers. Because i think that there's a false narrative that is out there for the kansas city chiefs which is basically like this is the year for hardman or demarcus robinson because just makes sense but do throws five thousand yards and forty touchdowns how no one else catching the ball so great. I think that's the narrative. I think is wrong because it is. I'm going but i'm giving you the voice of public opinion without jason stupid voice. Yeah he's not putting. They're not replacing much. That's my point that sammy watkins was thirty. Six thirty seven catches last year. Right four hundred yards so out of that large pie. He really wasn't much of anything select. They don't need to prioritize mccoll hardman or democracy. Marcus robinson they can use both in the same type of A system that they had last year and you could still be sad. You drafted either. Yeah i mean in best ball. I get it. Because you're going to have a couple of big games that will be auto putting your lineup. And also because really i think makuhari demark's robinson this is a situation of injury like kelsey and tyreek hill have been healthy. The vast majority of games with patrick mahomes and if one of them were to miss time then someone has to step up. Maybe that is just clyde. And it's not these guys but that's why would you know in a basketball league. I would look at one those guys but not in redraft or or keeper leagues Okay mike do you have any thoughts on the wide receiver. Core team runs. Its mahomes. it's kelsey. It's tyreek hill and then it's an incline and then clyde and then moving forward they start against cleveland baltimore and then the chargers so that'll be an interesting star. Also patrick mahomes and doesn't so ups aren't going to matter and also since we haven't really touched on kelsey and tyreek hill much draft them in the first round in the end of conversation Before we get to the raiders. All right Look we wanna thank brooklyn. 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I feel about the raiders They started six and three. They had a week five win at kansas city. Five and four and one score games They hit the over. Who on their totals. Thirteen of sixteen games. Those number one. Nfl because everybody went into the game. Gonna the raiders and also called derek carr you cutie petunia and then derek carr nelson aguilar went nuts. They were tenth in points per game. This was a good offense. They were eleventh in rushing attempts fourteenth in rushing yards six rushing touchdowns seventh in passing touchdowns that is a top ten offense in almost every major offensive category. Does it feel that way jason. No way not even close. If you remember last year they were the wacky est wildest team where every time you expected something. They did the opposite when they beat the kansas city chiefs. It was like they score. They put up a forty burger on the chiefs. It was grand then a couple weeks later against it lanta. They scored six points in a loss. It was like you couldn't peg him and now this offseason they've been wild wacky just trading away their offensive line bringing kenyan drake. Doing all these moves it. Just look to us dumb. Outsiders look stupid I'm curious andy. What was. I've waited the whole show to find out. What was the vegas window. I would put them at like seven and a half seven. Oh yeah ooh that's right generous. In fact it was and a half at the beginning of the offseason and now at seven Here's the spoiler slowest in the division. It's good to visit it in but that's finished. Second last year the defenses rough as they still bad they still trying to factor in the possibility of aaron rodgers to the bronx. I don't know. I don't think so because i think we agree. That denver has the bones of a good team they do and so if teddy bridgewater can help be just a little bit better than drew lock. Then maybe they have a shot and we'll talk about them shortly. But with with the raiders. You're right the defense was awful. Fifty percent of the opponents drives ended in score so half the time. Their opponents had the ball. They ended up scoring. They had to score a lot. Like the. you know this points per game totals and those numbers can be a little bit deceptive when you're playing comeback football all the time jason alluded to it. They sign kenyan drake and john. Brown this offseason. They let go of nelson agholor leading receiver. And you know. Derek cars still. They're sending a car sending the car career highs in passing yards yards per completion and quarterback rating last year. Weird team. i think general like fantasy disliked distorts. What they've been able to have success with. Maybe just thinking dare cars. Not a franchise quarterback a lot of people don't believe he is but this was a pretty good year for them on the offensive side of the football. So derek cars not a big talking point for fantasy no. Nobody's out there you know. We don't even bring them up as a streamer very much right now. He's the quarterback twenty eight so basically everybody's getting drafted with higher upside in people's minds compared to derek carr. Well one of the things that is so great about darren. Waller in one of the is the same problem with their car. There's not a lot of weapons here or at least not a lot of trust-worthy target hogs. We hope that henry ruggs can take that step forward. Maybe john brown will be able to stay healthy or Bryan edwards remember him. But i trained last year. Like maybe one of these guys will do something but for the most part you look at this wide receiver core and you say this is among the worst in the leak. They they are. They don't have a lot there. Which is great. For darren waller. He's the number one target. But that's the problem with their car. Like i can't get mad at their car. Because is it his fault. You know what. I mean like that. We're not excited about him. For fantasy. when he had michael. Crabtree and amari cooper. He was good why he was good on paper last year. But what you're saying brings up. The truth is if you don't have wide receivers that could take that are probable to take the next step or established. You don't have a ceiling right like last year with nelson aguilar who is now gone. Forty six percent of the targets went to the wide receivers. That was the lowest in the nfl. Now that guy's gone hunter renfrow and henry ruggs and to be named later are going to be their top options. Maybe as john brown but this is not. I don't think people see the ceiling there. And i think they see jon gruden. Then they say you. He went out and got kenyan. Drake josh jacobs already. Had a ton of carries he wants the identity to be the running game. I mean clearly. That's the problem or a problem with the raiders. Is jon gruden. Tremendous in the both monday night football. I love having jon. Gruden up there on the sideline to not trust what this man is is up to hear it. It'd be derek carr steady. I will say that the majority of his career he's throwing for right at four thousand yards. Anybody then he's given you usually low twenties in passing touchdowns he had you know. He got the twenty-seven mark last year. But again things went crazy. You some kirk. Cousins with like thirty five touchdowns was wild last year so i. I don't trust the the coaching staff to put these fires in the position that we need them to be in for fantasy football. The wheels could also fall off here. Like if it's a very tough division. They have the lowest vegas win. Total and the derek carr screams like there's zero cabinet here so in all we have line is trash. If they don't like it they might move on. They they have really. They've done a great job. Disassembling their offense offensive line Which i don't know why they chose to do that but they did And that's going to hurt their car. Lot the the question to me is henry. Ruggs can he. Will he step forward. Because he's a screaming. Value late drafts He he he cost you nothing. You could drop them if he doesn't hit if he does take that step forward Into an that the option for a lot of targets if he had one hundred and thirty targets this year you could see a path for that because he's competing with john brown he just has to go. I mean it has to be a huge step up. Like yes i can. He questioned more than the will he. It's much easier to ask answer that. Can he cautioned but forty three targets last year to what you're talking about is It's going to be rugs but it's also going to be a group indecision and a car decision to get him the ball. That much yet in. John brown's probably going to be the one that actually earns the trust of derek carr. He's in practice. He's the best wide receiver on the team. Now the s and nelson agholor was less here. roaches shocking. Are you guys familiar with his grew. Gone yet dot com. No is just a clock that that shows you how much money he's actually owed. Oh i have seen that before. It's a it's a very funny counter but it just to highlight the deal. That they gave him. He still has six years remaining and still owed nearly sixty five million dollars. Wow that is a fun website. So if the wheels fall off this year for the raiders. They won't fall off. They don't offer gruden. What was the raiders on a hover board. What was the record this season before. Okay so there were seven and nine so they went from seven to nine two eight. Okay okay that's just middle of the road which is exactly what derek carr has been for fantasy outside. Some are twelve to sixteen like you probably can stream him in. Yeah let's talk about the the big question. Mark that people have the backfield they brought in kenyan. Drake a lot of hoopla josh jacobs. Adp has plummeted compared to last year. He's the rb twenty off the board behind. Montgomerie kenyan drake as arrive. That's a great question for you. Andy david montgomery or or josh jacobs. Take david montgomery okay. Yeah because Sustained elite play at the end of last year combined with the fact that he's he doesn't have the kenyan drake problem. If you wanna call it that. I'm not that worried about workload for josh jacobs. You saw the stat. Forty six percent of total receptions the wide receivers and then they added nobody of real relevance like. They're going to get the ball to kenyan drake in the passing game. He's four full years older than josh. Jacobs I think they can both work in this offense. Yeah the big question going into last year. Was the passing work for josh jacobs. It did tick up from twenty to thirty three receptions but that's still not enough to be relevant in that game and then you you project it forward and you say it looks like kenyan. Drake is being brought in to be more of the receiving back and they have always brought in a receiving back much to our chagrin whether it's jalen rashard whether day booker deondraye washington. So that's can drake right now. And so i think josh jacobs is fine. The kenyan drake news has overblown his demise. I don't think the mice has much value. The yes the target that ship. I think that's probably sailed for the career but it's at least gone for one more year and he's very game. Dependent raider wins. He averaged ninety three rushing yards and over twenty fantasy point game in losses. Just over fifty one rushing yards per game and under ten fantasy moise more losses than will this year. This josh jacobs is fine rb twenty. I think that that's an okay place to try to talk people into josh jacobs people jacobs last year if you soured on him if you drafted him because you can get top five and you got eight. And you've got the inconsistency and you were disappointed. Just pass on. that's fine. I still think he's b- too low and But you don't have to take the hard part is for when you're talking about the consistency of he was. He was either great for your team or he full on submarine. You're week are be forty-three against tampa in week. Seven rb fifty against the atlanta falcons in week twelve. I mean he's still one of the more consistent running backs if he's a b. he's sixty two percent of the time usable and he got hurt right he missed a game hurt And that is so whatever. I don't have to talk you and i don't want to go down with another josh jacobs ship in you know i'm trying i'm trying to raise your boat of saying like rb twenty. That's fine because you're not drafting him like you did last year. Where is he good. You need him to carry taste. Good player thank you for asking that question because we need to say that he has a very good running back. What about dan waller. Oh he's great dare wallers fund remember last year when we thought that these draft picks and henry ruggs in bryan edwards was going down something maybe derek carr just doesn't really want to throw to those play. Darren waller is just that much better than everybody. I would say this. If i was a quarterback behind that office of line and i could throw it to darren waller i throw him almost every look. How big here going to throw it to that guy. Baltimore pittsburgh miami at los angeles to start the year. Not the best. So where are you drafting. The wallers i am his his third round. Adp is perfectly fine to me while while our kettle for you waller. I feel more secure in in the waller having a the water the water. I'm more confident in him. Maintaining his incredible target share. Which in darren waller is not travis. Kelsey he was darren. Waller was down the stretch a league winning type of player when he was the tight. End one in three of six games. If you include week seventeen he finished. Just i absolutely on fire. But he does have games where he doesn't show up all right. The chargers were seven and nine last year won. The last four games of the season couldn't keep their coach's job they bring in brandon. Steely their new head coach. Joe lombardi taking over it offensive coordinator. That's a question. Mark for sees hunter. Henry no longer with the squad brought in jared cook but a great finish to the year. I mean seven and nine after the way they started. Vegas hasn't with nine wins. I mean just in. Herbert hype is real. Also great wide receivers. Great weapons in the backfield with austin ekeler What is your overarching opinion of this team. Mean is that is that when total surprising to you. That wouldn't totals not surprising to me. I think this is You know the cinderella super bowl contending pick while he. When i when i look at this roster i see a very super bowl yes i see a very very good team. They're You know. We've talked about this. A lot in the offseason. We talked about a lot last year while we were going through it but this projected to be really good defense and then they lost other religious defensive players and it was a very bad defense Assuming that they don't you know forty niners this thing just everyone collapse into injuries. I think the chargers defense is going to be great and justin. Herbert said you know i can do this. They brought in a you know a head. Coach is a defensive minded guy. So i i think just as the not for fantasy necessarily but as an nfl team they project to me to be very good. I when you if. I had to take an over under on the nine. I think i would go over even in attempt to do. I'm not as bullish. Justin herber last year was incredible quarterback. Six right now and drafts six round pick. That's a little too rich for me. Seems too rich for me to like. Is this you said for the nfl purposes in their defense that you like their team but is justin herbert going to take a step back e could easily take a step back for fantasy If you look at how he started his career running the ball through the first several weeks and then he got away from that which was good for. Nfl and bad for fantasy Now he was great. You know the shoe didn't drop for a long time With herbert last year and he's he's very good. But i. I do think that it's easy for him to take a backward step here with out having to always score you know. I'm looking through the game logs. And they lost. They gave up a twenty eight point. Twenty seven forty five twenty nine thirty one thirty one twenty an like. They're the they have to score more than thirty if they're going to win every single week last year and so he's out there sling in the rock and i think they're gonna be able to run the ball a little bit more this year so off. It's of line is so much like this is this is easily in the nfl. The biggest most improved offensive. Line the okay. Then let's move the conversation so awesome ekeler. How confident are you in austin. Ekeler currently being drafted at the beginning of the second round has the rb ten. Are you going on that. yeah. I'm i'm in austin ekeler. I think that he we know he gets the the ball pass to him. We know we know the offensive line is great. We know he's been good in fantasy. And we know he has very very little competition for the backfield and he's not going to be a three hundred. Carry guys not built for that. But he is the guy i mean. Joshua kelley injustice jackson's. They're they're not right. They're not even make the team right. They're not in joshua know. You mean no. I'm in justin jackson. Sure there's talk about. Justin jackson getting cut i read it was joshua kelley. They see we might. We might read articles and they're like no thank you but yeah i mean so i i don't see how i don't see a path for us to have a bad season i you know outside of everybody's path of injury Even if he doesn't score a lot of touchdowns which he has not really been a touchdown machine. He's going to be fine. He catches the ball enough. I think he could have an elite year. Really do okay. So let's put ekeler to the test a little bit because at the beginning of the second you might be looking at a wide receiver I guess hypothetically jason you have start you on this show. We kind of like zeke. More than consensus But you're able to get him at the end of the first round. You start zeke. Now you're coming back around and you have your choice. Adams's their hopkins is there digs. Is there are you starting. Rb are be. are you going zeke. And then one of the elite three. No i personally would go austin ekeler. Okay right. Now he's my running back nine. And i think that the those middle rounds of three four five the wide receivers. There are just so much better by comparison to the gap of the runningback sitter there versus the first runs all right wide receiver core. Kina now. And you know he's elite. Great he is going in the third round right now No real doubts about keenan. Allen fifth most receptions last year fifth highest target share. Why not throw it keen on. You know that's kind of the way it works. If he's healthy. Quarterbacks are gonna throw the ball because he's an elite route. Runner always open with sure hands. But mike williams. Do you believe in the sleeper potential. That i brought up a few shows ago. Could mike williams take step for this year to be more consistent ho. Yeah he could. I mean we're talking about the opportunity for henry. Ruggs or the opportunity for mike williams. At least we've seen mike williams do on the nfl field already He's got a quarterback and he is completely free and draft so he's one of my favorite last round picks this season You brought him up as a sleeper. Andy and i and i i love that. Take the broncos. Or they're five. They were five and eleven last year. Jared cook and the people want us to talk about jared. Cook jerk jared. Cook it's simple if he is not do in if he's not toast he's not old busted. He's coming into a team where you've got a good quarterback. He's a great end zone target. Is it replacing hunter henry. The opportunity is there for him to be a value as one of those last tight ends off the board. Or he's thirty four just or he's gotten at least thirty four and according to last year. Yeah this is. Ronny pro-football focus. He graded the worst pass blocking tight end ever so what timeframe mike of of all time all the time that they've ever looked at anything never seen it. That's good news for honestly reminds me. Jared cook could be jimmy graham. Yeah just go out there and catch seventy touchdowns and then go take seat. Can we talk about the broncos fan. All right you you could have been right mike. I mean there are eight and a half winds right now in vegas. They were seven and a half early in the offseason. That could be a hedge against the potential of rogers. Arriving right you know you gotta move that lineup. A little bit But that is becoming more unlikely by the day. Teddy bridgewater drew lock competing at the quarterback position. Okay let's say it's not rodgers. 'cause i have a hunch that if they trade for aaron rodgers he would start probably. Yeah drew lock teddy bridgewater. You're placing your bets on this. This is i wanted to call it a heavyweight fight but this is like nope. This is like a youtuber fight. This is to de- level youtubers fighting it out to be a starting quarterback. I'm a much bigger fan of the teddy bridgewater. Then i am the drew lock. So i think bridgewater will start more games than drew lock. I think they might both see the field. Yeah i'm gonna say as of right now. I think teddy bridgewater starts all season The organization probably wants drew. Lock to be the guy they want their pick to have worked out and they trade for teddy bridgewater. Yes but they want him to get that opportunity. They want him to level up the they want him to win the job but i don't think he will i don't think he can. There's a lot a long way to go up from thirtieth in total number of first downs. Thirty first in completion percentage This offense was twenty eight points per game. This was a failed offense last year. A failing offense less so they needed to make big changes they went out. They drafted devante williams in the second round. They signed teddy bridgewater. And they're hoping that that makes with the defense that can improve because it wasn't that great last year but that's what vic fangio's known for that you'll see some strides made and that they'll be able to gut out some winds. I mean they've they've had seasons like that before in denver where bridgewater doesn't turn it over. Maybe that's the plan. Keep them in games. Run the rock. I mean i was on the show today. They brought up us. And you know we have it in the uk. Melvin gordon is on that list. Because you don't know like the. He's the jug of milk. That doesn't look quite right fridge. But you haven't got the glance at the expiration date yet. Like your maybe. You're saying it could be week. It could be week four or give me week one. You take a whiff of that in the train in training camp. And then you get a whiff. I've already smelled savante. And i've already smelled. I've smelled devante williams. He smells delightful. Yeah you know. He's his musket arrived in the backfield is fantastic. Yeah i i. Don't think melvin gordon was taught about cologne. Devante just really been not too much so no it just smells right you know. He's going for the higher end. Cologne not bringing back a story from my child. One of the most embarrassing stories. And we gotta hear it every time you know when you just get into that seventh eighth grade and the yup the on someone got you some jakhar. I had some cologne route that green bottle and they started to throw the grown not grown up the the big kid parties right were boys and girls are invited. Do dancing and guys. I was so nervous. I got myself decked out looking nice right probably had some gel in my hair. I was covered in. I smell. you could smell me. And the worst part was i walked all the way to this girl's house. That was having the party. Knock on the door of the parties. The next week loan all decked out for the party on sunday mellon like alone. Were you a seventh grade or something like we did early. Babies you go. That's the great question. Well i went back home right. They're very sadly and then yes. I did go to the party last cologne or just the same. I probably doubled it. I mean i needed felt like anybody but you weren't super swamy like well since i'm here. I said hey. I'm going do all all cologne and stink jokes aside. I know that cease a lammi. he's He's and he's tied into the broncos he has basically said he. He commented on one of my posts. The devante started that. Melvin gordon is back. Yeah i'm in on it so that that really changed my outlook because i trust you know. Certain people are are plugged into certain teams. He is plugged into the broncos. And that's his viewpoint right now. Now that's subject to change. It could be a complete timeshare. Could be whatever. But when he called. Melvin gordon the back up to me i was like okay i need to. I need to maybe take a look at these guys started out and you can't really pay attention to his. Adp right now because devante williams will not go like the drumbeat is going new draft. If you're doing be drafting devante williams where he is is adp s and he has rising. Here's definitely rising led the nc double a. In broken tackles nineteen touchdowns last year. He is very good this. This isn't a player who he's if he gets his opportunity. You're like oh okay. There's gonna be some volume there. I'll get some fantasy points. No devante williams is a three down running back on a team. That saw melvin. Gordon who was okay but running back thirteen last year You put you take those opportunities for melvin last year give them to a fresh a fresh player who still has his legs with. It is is a great player on top of that i am. That's what teddy back there. He made my. He gave my davis who shot. This team is a scientific project about quarterbacks because they are as deep almost impossible both sides of the ball. This is a well constructed. Nfl roster but no quarterback and they bet against quarterback when they did not select just a feeling of the draft. And so you got it. We're gonna find out now real quick clarity on on the comments. Because i don't want these taken out of context. He was talking about. James conner and melvin gordon. He said both. Gordon and connor are reserve running backs And then he did say that. Gordon seems leaner upper body. Improves still dangerous and space. The team wants williams to be the guy. So they're go. We'll see when the milk expires. Where will to end up in. Eighty p a at this point. I don't know but if somehow he only makes it to the fourth he is. Oh my gosh. He's every going where gordon is and he will go ahead of gordon your by a lot. If if the drumbeat continues. And then melvin gordon. Go out there and lead the team for four weeks. No it happens man. It happens a lot but we'll see takes time. I mean running backs can take some time. We'll see what happens. He was not just another final decide the bonus. He was a second round pick. They traded up to get him. Are you talking about devante. Oh i thought you were talking about darrell henderson third room. But i do remember the arguments in the same vein and it can take time I'm rooting for him. I hope we get clarity fantasy players. It'd be nice to have another running back. You can count on his supposed to me. Situation per Football focus per per her pro football focus sixty three percent of the wide receiver targets. Were catchable last year. That's jerry jeudy and corden inside this guy's gonna level up denver together to lock that he doesn't love you. Yeah for sure to irresponsible. So assuming the teddy bridgewater is the quarterback these wide receivers. I think have a path towards having a decent season. You had multiple thousand yard seasons for the panthers with teddy bridgewater. And i think that's more of a offense of Schemed system versus These denver broncos. But i'm a fan of courtland sutton right now. You can get him falling into the seventh round pretty commonly and as a seventh round. Pick to get a guy who really broke out. Two years ago was You know elite option in draft last year. But then got injured and is back and is the leader of the team. I like sutton but it could be judy. Who who are you guys putting your money on. This team's identity is going to be like if all things go according to plan if they have a better defense than what. Carolina offered teddy bridgewater. If they have a better running back. Carolina lost mccaffrey. But i'm just worried about the. How many options there will be in in how big that pie will be talk about. Sutton had a successful year. Two years ago finished nineteenth at the position judy's weapon patrick's good fantasy a weapon in the offense. I'm i'm actually worried about the pie. And the player in teddy bridgewater. Not being big enough to give you an elite year. I will agree. That sutton is a value. I mean you draft him a wide receiver thirty. You get wiser receiver twenty. You're happy but i don't know if if he can go much higher than that. That's my only opinion. I'm taking the chance on courtland sutton over. And i would take him over. Jerry jeudy again. The red flag. You need to remember of that breakout year where you had a very consistent courtland sutton you could. He became a plug and play guy weeks fourteen through seventeen wide receiver fifty six forty one fifty one forty-five and that's when it was drew. Lock time for the denver. bronco scary. yeah and then judy. Judy basically had the green season last year. It was a combination of not great. You had a lot of drops ally yeah okay. Aj green didn't have a lot of jobs. Judy did both of them had separation measurable separation issues. Both of them had quarterbacks who couldn't throw the ball near them and judy like disappointed. Book also didn't get a fair shot. And i think that he's a great player. But i will agree with jason. What he's been saying over the last few weeks. Which is that sutton is the better value in the better bet And you know more established just needs to come back from this injury which was early last year and Hopefully everything we see in training camp solid now. Can you guys tell me that noah fant will be better and kaz. Obviously he's he was drafted re great. Of course. he is an extreme athlete than last year. He was super hurt member. His ankle was a problem for the majority of the year. Just always take hobbled can you. Because my dynasty him really really needs noah fant that takes that step forward as possible. I think it's possible. You get three solid weeks from no offence. Giants jacksonville jet start the year and then ship them out. Oh okay maybe you got me excited. I mean he's a talented player. That again i think it's going to be ping pong ball for all these guys. I don't think you're going to get enough passing volume to make you sit down and go man. I can count. On noah. Fant i can count on jerry jeudy. I'm that's my word. Yeah i don't. I don't see myself. Drafting noah fant in very many places of judy's elite. Courtland sutton is elite. And i know he was banged up last year. So that it's hard to weigh what he would have done if you were healthy but give me. A court was not on the team last year. You've missed the whole year hurt. I know offense still didn't break out. Who wins the division. I'm gonna go. Who who's your second place team in this division. I've got the charter. The chargers mike I think it's i think it's the chargers i will go with the raiders. Lorena think the raiders will will I think it goes seven and nine. Then they got to eight nails. I think is nine and seven this year for the raiders could have a couple of nine and seven teams in this new could. What's the toughest player. Who is the toughest player to project in the entire division. Gionta williams to me right now i. I don't know where to know to make the transition to harder. I think justin herbert is tough for me. Knowing mother is going to continue. Obviously i like the kid but top division I would say. I mean. I guess it's it's it's answer larry but mike williams of our guy who has had a thousand yard season a guy who has had a double digit touchdown season and has one of the upcoming quarterbacks in the league and yet he's even with herbert success last year. That excuse me. They did not translate to mike. Williams success sneaky s player. Well mike williams is probably the stink is played although he did not say stickiest. Melvin right now. I'll go henry ruggs As my sneaky. 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2021 FFPC Pros Vs. Joes Jacked Up on Mountain Dew League #4

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2021 FFPC Pros Vs. Joes Jacked Up on Mountain Dew League #4

"Will aaron rodgers and the quarterback selections tonight into a tailspin. How will want interconference trade shakeup mid around wide receiver. Adp and we'll one half of the defending champs of the pros vs joes competition put on a show in tonight's festivities follow along with the live draft board tonight and listen to our analysis as we all the action from the twenty twenty one pros vs joes jacked up on mountain league number four to see who's gonna win a twenty twenty two f f. Pc main event team. We've got a great show for you. Feral elliott is here. I'm eric bachmann stick around your high stakes. fantasy football. Our starts now. I can't stay on the live and heard around the world. You are now listening to the most entertaining our of radio on the planet. Welcome to the high stakes. Fantasy football hour presented my f- p. pc dot com. With your hosts. Eric volkmann and farrell elliott the high stakes fantasy. Football hour is your home for analysis from the best players in the world and now because no one else was available. Here's eric both ben. Farrell elliott David wrong answer really acts. Welcome to the latest episode of the high stakes fantasy football hour by my f. Fcc dot com. I'm of course you're a slightly above average host. Eric ball's men. My co host is the definitive commissioner of fantasy football. He is ferrell elliott. Tonight we have the fourth of six extra special episodes for you this year. It's the twenty twenty one. Fm pros vs joes jacked up on mountain dew league number for draft tonight. We'll be covering it for two full hours. You can follow the live draft board at youtube dot com slash high stakes fantasy football Shot into the chat room right now. We got a bunch of great guys and they're great guys Who are were good. Love sniffing nothing but good thoughts and feelings towards the fcc so post the questions. You might have been there if you want to connect with us on twitter. We're at hss. I at eric. Baltimat- barrel is j. Farrell elliott facebook dot com slash. Is where to reach us. If you want to chime in and talk with us please give us a ring at three. Four seven four to six thirty six eighty two. That's three four seven game over you know. Email the show at the inbox. high stakes. Fantasy football edgy. Mail dot com. If you have any questions for us. Now's the time to sun. We'll try to get all the chatroom questions. Tweets and e mails throughout the show tonight. Thanks to our producer and mutual friend rob and of course audio engineer. My best friend. Bryce i'll let's get to the lineup tonight. Ladies and gentlemen the leading off from the one spot david strew meyer the f. Fcc joe leading things off and at the one on one. They got fantasy sports bob. Long right after that. The two The pro and the two spots. John kleinfeld there and dave buyer are drafting in the three hole. Boroughs cleaning things up from the run to daylight podcast in the four-hole one half of the defending champs of the processes joe's competition from last year hudson rivas fifth. Sports grid davis matic selecting six tonight. Danny mueller a baseball extraordinary f. Fcc joe is drafting seventh nbc sports edges own pat rain is picking eighth followed by the f. fcc joe ritchie missouri at the nightspot afghan fantasies. Jeff ratcliffe in the ten whole followed by the father and son team of robert and robbie russell at the eleven hall and then might take from fantasy prose picking twelfth as a reminder before we get to the Pick by pick analysis Tomorrow is indeed the deadline day for the twenty twenty one f. Fcc main event early drafts a lot announcement. When you pay for your team and full you'll get your address lot on august. I you have until midnight. Pacific time to get that taken care of tomorrow and remember if you already have it team. You'll get four hundred dollars off each additional team that you add onto your account so square those balances away and pick up more main event teams to take advantage of that promo at my s. p. c. dot com. Let's get to it. Ladies and gentlemen we are one round in. And here's how it went down christian mccaffrey in the one. Oh one to strew meyer. Now bob lung from big guy. Fantasy sports takes ezekiel elliott in the two spots. Tonight not the first time. We've seen this in proser joe's we saw him as akil elliott number two overall I believe it was last monday. He went second overall So it's not the first time we're seeing that surprise. Elliott goes at the one on tonight. Alvin cook at the one zero. Three to kleinfeld. Sir buyer travis. Kelsey the first tight end off the boards. He boroughs million of these best ball. Slim's he knows what's going on. Alvin kamara to Hudson reeve here. st one. oh five us what. We'll get into some alvin kamara chatter tonight to as well when we get into the saints. Tyrod kill the first and only received to be selected in the first round davis. Matic takes him at the one. Oh six followed. By austin equity danny miller at the one. Oh seven in waller no stranger to the first round is he goes once again in the first round tonight. Second tied the board pack patron at one eight and a bunch of running backs here In the It's finish off the first round. There are kenny at one. Nine to richie insurer. Jeff reckless takes saquon. Barkley at one naji harris a bit of a surprise there at the one eleven to roberts and robbie russell and jonathan taylor to mike at the ones we want to welcome in the kfc. Commissioner now Commissioned farrell elliot. I would love to hear your analysis on the first round sauce. Surprises here. A zeke elliott once again at the one. Oh two we see tyreek hill off the board at the one. Oh six year country the one oh nine and then nausea harris. That the one eleven. What stands out to you as you look at this first round. Here tonight commission With the news bulky. And happy. Sunday to you with the news of michael thomas this week. I suspected expected alvin kamara too much earlier in the strap to guaranteed eighty catches. No matter what alvin kamara would be my second running back so that's in current reeve What what do we call them about. The show is the mask out of the show or something like that. Yeah well nevertheless he comes in. I think he is picked. Everyone's pocket encouraging to see a wide receiver continuing to move up the board. That's what kentucky's made of wide receivers. And here we see. Terry kill going in the sixth spot. Darren waller. I was looking back over. Some of my early drafts getting garin wall or early. In the second round i think is places now secure in all formats As a first round draft pick. so yes. it's it's It's the same cast of characters. The deck is shuffled a little bit differently. Elvin kamara is the big steel of the first round for me personally. Yeah i think you're right. I mean they're normally going at the one. Oh four but again like you pointed out. This was prior over over the last three days. Eighty p for f. Fcc best ball swim dress. Which by the way shot the daring armani fantasy mojo dot com who we always site May we say his data as far as eighty. Pflp day that goes on the show. And if you wanna have access to their state status. It's a super inexpensive membership fantasy dot com if you playing in the f. Fcc you wanna get all the data you can from darren there Alvin kamara one. Oh four on. Average ezekiel elliott. I guess by the numbers you could say that was the biggest surprise is. Here's an adp of one seven. He goes five six earlier than that To bob lung saquon barkley. This is just where he's going now. Barkley the one eleven on average he goes to one ten tonight and now jay harris. I guess we can talk about him. A little bit farrell but He normally goes up to two. Oh five robert. Robbie russell remember from last year. They had the first overall pick and pros vs joes and they shocked the world Ravi russell said like look we're taking quite upwards layer number one they did It didn't work out. But you know people dip. Mccaffrey one on one last year. It didn't exactly work out for them either. But once again the russel's mixing it up here. harris goes about a half round earlier tonight and elliott's a lung wraparound earlier. Tonight as well and you know and saquon barclays case. I sure would like to see him. Return to the field and in full health you know. He was interviewed one of the things that that his expression on his face and his body. Language doesn't suggest that there's been a firm timeline implanted for his return. I think it's a wait and see situation. So that's a lot of risk nauseating. Here's who you talk about bulky and destroy after says. I have to have him who is that. That's yeah that's robert and ravi. That's they want to have their nausea harass. You cannot fault them for it. There's a lot of questions still be answered in pittsburgh when you have a wide receiver core with so much talent. That does different things and does all of them. Well you have a quarterback returning of rothlisberger pedigree. You have to think that the running back is so Explosive in both passing and rushing game the fantasy points will be rewarded to him. And it'll be coming drafters of nausea. Here so i have no complaints with harassed complaints with any of these players taking anywhere district Let's move on to the second round here. George kiddle is the first Pickoff this off. The board in the second round kennel goes battaglia here to go with jonathan taylor nick. Chubb is the other running back selected by the russel's by the way three Big apartments four teams go with Running back running back starts tonight. We'll tell you all about it as we move through the second round stefan digs is jeff ratcliffe. Second round pick. He gets the two or three to go with saquon. Barkley rich insurer grabs aaron jones. The packers rusher to go with derrick henry so he starts running back running back as well. antonio gives off the board there to pat korean followed by de'andre hopkins who danny miller. So mueller concerned with the deleted tweets of hopkins essentially mulling retirement over the vaccine protocols in the nfl. Clyde edwards allaire goes to davis matic and the second round back chiefs. He starts his draft off with hiree. Kill an quiet. Words layer. And then now joe. Mixing goes to Hudson current read one half of the defending overall champion. Proser cisco's by the way blessed to have a diplomat mandel in the chat room tonight on the blog. Talk radio feed Bip bland and hudson one. This whole thing last year is that f. Pc joe's they Deviated this year and drafted their own teams lab draft last week and Hudson drafting tonight. So we will see. A fifth lab is offering any smack. Talk in the In the chat room on hudson reads mix. And i could happen. Joe mixing to read. Calvin ridley to todd burrows here as todd starts off with titan receiver devante atoms to kleinfeld sir and buyer here with the To ten pick. David montgomery bob long and she starts running running back. Justin jefferson the final selection. All the second round here tonight. And p j number four throw some. I wanna point out to the listeners. Here todd boroughs. Who has this. Podcast run today. Like you follow him on twitter at Nfl best ball nfl You you look at what he did. There's always sort of this Belief that you have to get running backs early in best ball format because you don't have the luxury of going zero. Rv where you can just pick somebody up off the waiver wire These are slim drafts and If you don't get the touches early you really going to happen to hit. Get lucky on some running backs late what he did here. He avoided the position in the first two rounds. He was the only team in this draft not to take running back in the first First around does that strike. You a strange that that he a guy who's done so many of these would go against the grain and not take a running back at all no There is going to be one contrary and draft or that thinks he can get value with elite wide receivers. And i'm not gonna argue with. And i love so many receivers in this national football league and available in this slim format through from the sixth seventh eighth round on down as we move towards double digits so that would not be my strategy However i look at the second round. I see where david In the number one position that they would put together a christian mccaffrey and justin jefferson. And i will hold you back and see his third round. Pick and i'll hold for you. I don't say it. But i love what he's doing. There were just too wide receivers to start. Yeah a lot of green stickers on the boards the first two rounds i would like to have. I would probably go one and one here. But you know bulky. We're talking about this slim format. i revisited. My to slim teams that i have from preseason are from pre pros vs joes and i compared them some of the pros vs joes drafters and i came up very disappointed. with some of these teams that are being put together today so Let's see let's see how the tale tells itself out but i I think third round which normally wide receiver around. We'll we'll probably see a big bang for the holidays. Agrees to critiques Yeah we did see a lot receivers go off in the third round here again by the way tie broke chiming in in the blog. Talk radio chat room said like he didn't plan on. You know not taking running back. In the in the first two rounds but travis kelsey. He didn't expect him to be there. He drafted him as the one zero four and then in the in the second round. He said all the running backs he wanted mixing words gibson. Aaron jones nick chubb. They all went ahead of them in the second round so he turned out and ridley there so it was just. It was a case of you. Know look you don't necessarily stat out to construct the team a certain way but you have to look at value. You have to look at the players out there and oftentimes in the fcc address. Don't go the way that you think they're going to go. And it's the teams that pivot best off that like todd boroughs. That really reap the benefits at the end of the year in the third round. David's drew meyer. Ut's pickfair aj brown. He goes off the board at the thrill one. So now he has two receivers on that squad to go with mccaffrey. Jk dobbins bob lung is the only team to go with three straight running backs and start off the draft elliott montgomery and now j. dobbins aj jay and now decay in the third round. Decay metcalf to John kleinfeld seltzer day. Buyer the andrea swift Is the first running back selected by pod boroughs tonight up to three or four caltex tight end four tonight. Here's the number one and drafted by hudson kern reappear at three. Oh five bunch of receivers. After this. Any land to davis matt keenan allen to danny mueller allen robinson to pat terrain. Carry maclaurin to richie assurer amari cooper to jeff ratcliffe. And then mike evans to robert and robbie russell as the penultimate pick in the third round. Finishing things off is mike paglia are taking chris carson with the final selection of third around today as we move forward into the fourth before we get there feral. Why don't you tell us a little bit about why that. Aj brown pick made a lot of sense. The david meyer team set up in the one whole tonight. Well there's just two of my favorite receivers when you can put on a team with mccaffrey. Now you're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood and the potential of three hundred catches before you start figuring in. Mccaffrey does on the ground. So i think in the best ball Are drafter days is often running here in hudson kern read with kyle pits I would possibly waited. Take him one of those elite receivers and tried to hang on for tight end. Don't have anything against this boy. Those names followed up cow pissed or very very impressive to me. And i'd like to have them as a number one receiver on my club The balking what do you think about Number two team Bob long who's coming in with three running backs Montgomery a little high but You know this. This format is going. Get your guys There's a lot of yeh top wide receiver players that are off the board. Big big players I wonder who he can catch coming back in the fourth round. David montgomery is a player that normally get selected in this format farrell at the end of the third. Bob took him at the end of the second. Here tonight Which is which is pretty interesting that he gets guy. Jk dobbins on average goes ahead of david. Montgomery he gets jk dobbins to lead things off in the third round. So i thought that was interesting. We're seeing more of a traditional build. Their i think that david montgomery once again has become a polarizing player. We saw what he could do last year when given the opportunity But at the same time. This year they bring in damian williams so rick cohen coming off the injury. Say what you will about him. How he's limping around. And not looking all that great yet but he hit the presence of him is going to be a hindrance at some point. You would think the david montgomery this year. So obviously bob believes in david montgomery and if you wanna talk about that pick bob or anybody else remember three four seven four to six thirty six. Eighty two is where you can reach us. Show us what you think about the draft as it is going on tonight. We you know what. I'm going to hold off on on the on the patrick mahomes conversation for just a little bit since he went in the fourth round tonight. But i will tell you that according to the man on the chat room He says that Hudson river worships kyle pits and is beginning him everywhere so he loves no surprise there that That hudson takes kyle pits there in the third round knowing that he's probably not going to get back to him in the fourth round and it just makes sense this total. Get your guys draft. If you believe in these players you know that the You know how aggressive and how talented all these other drafters are. You know you're gonna get one shot at these guys and you gotta make it happen because if you don't you're not going to get a second shot here Big time receiver run here in the third round. We we talk a little bit about that over the last couple of address. We've seen a lot of receivers go off in the third round here. Only running backs in the one tight end was indeed kyle pits to relieve. Let's move on to the fourth round here and talk a little bit about what we are what we are seeing Who jones The other titans receiver goes off the board of before. A one to my tagliabue's i receiver selected tonight. Robert woods the number two receiver for the russel's At the four. Oh two nine. Tj hopkinson starting at tight end for radcliffe followed by josh jacobs at the four zero four. That is reaching the surest third running back now owns derrick henry. Aaron jones josh shakeups in this specific draft dj more to pat korean from nbc sports edge. That's his number two receiver to go along with alan robinson The second tied off the board tonight to the in the fourth round. Beg your pardon. To danny mueller. So mueller a guy who does a lot of these. Feral goes equa hopkins keenan allen and mark andrews. That is his construction so far he gets andrews sticks tied unselected. Davis matt takes. Chris god wants to his number three receiver so matic obviously building heavy Early wide receiver theme We're seeing that with one. Other f- f- pc joe squad. That'll get you in a little bit. Patrick mahomes now to hudson reeve With the Four zero eight tonight. Miles standards to tie boroughs cooper cup third straight receiver drafted by fester. That is john kleinfeld. Sir and his co. manager they've buyer dallas. Got it off. The boards bob long as the number seven tight end and the final tight end selected in the fourth round and good old reliable. Mike davis goes at before twelve tonight to david's drew. Meyer fairl the thing. I wanted to point out to. You is something that chain hallam who actually drafted in this competition. A week ago pointed out in the chat room tonight After davis matic starts off with highly kill and quite edwards allaire. you would think A reasonable to you know. Keep that chiefs train going. Keep that she's staff running to take patrick mahomes in the third round. Now he passes on him in the third take cdn lamb. He has the opportunity because my hoes makes it all the way back to them in the fourth round he passes on him. There and hudson river scoops mahomes up with an with the very next pick in a league. Where only first place. We'll get that twenty twenty two f. Fcc main event and second-place nothing What what do you make of davis matic ignoring ignoring but choosing to go with godwin in the fourth as opposed to patrick mahomes. Yeah he skipping him in the third. And i can make a case for that not in the fourth i. I would've loved to have had mahomes just and that would've probably started even quicker of quarterback round when you can stack those three players together That's pretty impressive. I like from stack standpoint. Where friend any wheeler stewart With the charge players all four of his players eker hopkins keenan allen. And they'll tell you the injuries Impressive players for me. And i can see where he's going with that bill team number nine ritchie. I impressed with with all these players. If he's putting together but in this format the runningback aaron jones and josh jacobs there's just not enough task catchers amongst those three running backs need to get excited about the build of putting the those three players Those we running backs One of the things that the chat was pointing out to me too. And i didn't mention this bob lung. Who writes the Fantasy football consistency guide every single year. And it has been nominated for best fantasy football publication in each of the last four years. i think that he follows sort of consistency prior to or you know over. Let's say draft trends or draft. Adp he's going to go get his guys. And i think that explains a lot. What we see with the david montgomery pick there in the in the second round The other thing. I wanted to point out in the fourth round farrell of between hopkinson and andrews hopkinson and ratcliffe and mueller gets andrews. There you have a preference between those players if you're drafting in a football guys drafter and fm pc main event. Anything like that. Do you have a preference on either hodgkinson or andrew which tight and you like better. Both ways are very good players. I am an andrew's guy. Because i believe display or played well last year despite all the adversity that he had to deal with especially related with the covert and his underlying issues of health anyway. hopkinson the bigger mystery. He's going to be a good target. New quarterback new coaches a lot of uncertainty. We know we're baltimore was last year. They threw the ball to andrews Eighty nine times about twenty. Five percent of the are jackson's total passes went injuries. Lamar will pass more this year. He'll pass more injuries. And so yeah. The injuries would be my guy in this spot just just on volume of low alone importance to get off. I said mentioned to vip. They'll talk about How he believes boroughs is off to a very hot start here with getting raped value on mile sanders. Here as the twentieth. Running back Off the boards. Todd gets him in the fourth round as the Four own nine pick live. Yeah four on nine for miles sanders and just looking at where he normally goes does normally go to four zero seven at running back. Nineteen so you know maybe a little bit of a value there. But the fact that hobbs started off with kelsey and ridley still was able to Square way those two running back there in the third and fourth certainly is going to help his team go very very far in this competition. Let's go out to be three three. Oh right now. Let's take a phone call on the high stakes fantasy football. Are you got falke thorough. Who do we have bob long. You don't bother fantasy fm wfan nominated Best fantasy football publication. Writer scribe over the last four years. So bob in the in the second hole tonight well. Let's just go through your drafting. Because i think this is interesting stuff we saw and i can't remember who it was on. Took ezekiel elliott at the one to leave. It was another pro lest we taking ezekiel. Elliot's one to a lot of people in the f. Fcc would've taken and cook or travis. Kelsey even compare there after the michael thomas news. What made elliott the choice for you. There well. Interestingly enough my very good friend. Jeremy broward who i spent all the woking columbus ohio And we were talking about the fact that him. And i both hasn't number two pick. And he said he took zeke and i said yeah i get that i go. You know zeke for three straight years was over ninety percent consistent In his was always one of the top three picks the down year. Prescott getting hurt. There's no reason to believe he can't come back to the be one of those top three guys and you know again. I you know you could. You generally just You know Splitting hairs between him and could alvin cook and camara and you know but they're all gonna get their their their numbers and i just felt like I i was gonna take that. I was going to go with zeke there just for the more done. You know definite consistency. i mean. there's there's some question marks in new orleans with michael thomas now going out. Yeah you could say tomorrow is gonna get the ball more. But who's also to say that the defense is aren't gonna put two guys on kamari time he comes out of the backfield because he's the only problem that they're going to really have on offense so i just felt like equals was a more secure more consistent. Pick but again i died. I wouldn't i wouldn't argue with anybody. The dow cook kamara was big a good pick there as well. Hey bobby you know one of the things that i always try to do in these dresses not pay more than it's worth but at the same time i wanna go get. My guys talked around to the second round. Pick dega montgomery dallas gutter There's several questions. I have about the eagles. This year The quarterbacks maturation hell he's going to play games designed offense to god is Battered is quite a target at tight end but zakar still there. Is there any hesitancy that that pulling the trigger on taibbi or did you wanna get your guy before it failed to what's fantasy. Football is my call the next tier how about the fact that i just ran out of time and i didn't get to go get my second time. I think we all their let's let me just be honest with you. I didn't wanna drive dallas gardner. But i'm not going to be that guy he's like you know so i was just like okay fine. I'll taking he'll be solid. You know. I'm not worried about him as a player I've got other You know good consistent tight ends at. I'll add him. I think that if that hurts can leave. Count and go to indy. I think that would be a great idea. which make dallas outer worth even more. And that's what. I'm hoping for like a lot of other people You know so. Like i said. I'm just kind of out there trying to you. Know get get consistent players I went three running backs. Because i love david montgomery and dobbins both of them last year in the second half of the year. We're over eighty percent consistent When you add that to zeke ninety plus that he should hit. I mean that's a hell of a trio to start with you know i've got some work to do at wide receiver but i think there are a lot of. There's a lot of value out. There inconsistency for them as well and i grew. You know i just took judy smith schuster at six eleven You know he's still. I think the main guy in pittsburgh but you know he did pretty well last year even with Know dante johnson. There you know big bins looking healthy and slimmer and should be a better year for him and that afc north. Everybody's gonna to have to throw the ball a lot to score points because there's a lot of high powered offenses division. Hey you're coming around the corner on the clock again. Yeah so You know again as kind of coming up to be my pick next probably gonna go with another wide receiver. Just because i see. I don't have any or i have just one st and a guy that i like and i was soon that The other guys not a well. I'll wait for him to pick but 'cause you know he may be listening but i got it anyway You know the the key here for me now is to really you know. The other person i i wanted in god was murray I wanted either. Patrick mahomes or josh allen tyler. Murray and win mahomes went. And then josh went right before me I almost waited to go get my quarterback but as you can see Jackson herbert and prescott of all went. He never would have made a back so All right so yeah. So i'm up so i'm going tyler voice here again. A very solid You know he's the one abeer. See wherever you whatever you wanna call it for cincinnati. They're going to have to throw the ball forty fifty times a game to keep up And so i feel like tyler. Avoid can easily mass last year's numbers which is perfectly fine to get him in the seventh round. I'm very happy about that. I think we may have lost bulky. But i'll i'll tell you this bob with Ninety plus catches from. Jesus schuster eighty plus. Perhaps in tyler. Boyd you might be carrying your wide receivers issues very quickly. Yeah like you said. I think there's a lot of good value wide receiver. Still sitting out there. That i'll i'll pick up later That i have in my guide under undervalued receivers that i think have potential to get a lot of opportunity this year and You know like you said. That's kind of how i've been doing. A lot of my drafts go far. There's here kind of going with the consistent running backs in the first three rounds. If i can get them if you know it just depends where draft from a lot of times. He doesn't fall into place like that. But in this draft. I felt like like i said i. I love montgomery this year. I i think they're both going to be Just so so good so consistent Very good players You know the you know Both of their offenses are going to have to you. Know use them as they did. And i said the second half last year showed that when they're given the opportunity they performed performed very well scoring that pr scoring method. And like you said to get all three of them. I want wide receivers but i just feel like you know once you get past round four. You really are starting to grasp stroz when it comes to wide or two running backs and i in that situation there. They're just not there and you can. Yeah you can have imagination and you can say. I can see this guy doing better. Roger projected towards results of not being present in these players career. I'm a big most or expand. And i i love them on my but you know we can't get him past a hundred and fifty one carries. That's his high watermark more either rear. Yeah yeah so it's it's just you know. Hey i apologize. i think i'm i'm back now. I i had some connection issues bob We know we can get the Twenty twenty one edition of the fantasy football consistency guys on amazon dot com. We all check big fantasy sports as well. Well one of the things whenever we have our our conversation on the shore. You're one of the things. I don't think we talk about now. Is the fantasy football. Expo what can you. What can you tell us about that. Oh man so this year so we did this two years ago and i think fairly you were you were in involved now. Did you come or have your own. And i was i was in. Cincinnati drafting kfc. But i realize know that you guys have an expo right up the road. Next year's net so So yeah we did it. Two years ago in twenty nine and we'd had about seventy five people who was a nice start with our first year year. We're getting close to four hundred people coming awhile. And i mean we're talking from mexico. Hawaii texas california over again You name it man. They're they're coming from all over. The place and i am just cited the community of fantasy communities all getting together. It's gonna be one big rafting party drinking or so. Many livers will be shot that we get bob. I know it's going to be a fun time. Obviously the Fantasy expo coming up and by the way for more information on that go to the fantasy football expo dot com held august fifteenth from ten until four eastern time that day. Check out. bob's work. At bigeye. Fantasy sports dot com. Don't forget to get the consistency guy that amazon dot com and follow bob on twitter at bob underscore long bob. It is always a pleasure to have you on and Link to To talking with you again good luck and all your leagues season. Thank you to talk to you soon. They got long ladies and gentlemen the consistency guy Which i think has proven fruitful in may drafts over the years beryl. We talked about seeing construction we talk about sleepers and breakouts and everything like that and always trying to swing a home run. Well sometimes. it's it's as easy as just looking back in the last three years and saying you know what this guy's probably being undervalued because he doesn't have the sexiest feeling that a lot of these other guys have and guys like david montgomery guys like you know. ezekiel elliott. These are the type of player. Sometimes i can carry you to victory exactly. And you he. He was on of the gutter pick. would have been available to him later. But who's to say that goddard can't move into this area of reception and or even past and compete with andrews hopkinson wants irks moves on. Let's cut up a little bit and get into the quarterback around which was around five year so far we already saw the homes. Go off the board and the fourth. Oftentimes you see something like that happened. The other quarterbacks are not far behind as it was tonight. Josh allen at five oh one to david true minor. Kyle right after that. The after mentioned bob lung your miles gaskin going off the board the second running back drafted by felt there and buyer lamar jackson. The third quarterback drafted in the first four picks of the fifth round to todd boroughs. Another huge receiver run. We saw one in the third round. Here's another one in the fifth round. Shumar chase ream tyler. Lockett to matic fee higgins to. You're you brandon. I you to pat corrine. Adam feeling sure and deontay johnson to jeff radcliffe as hughes number three receiver. noah fans and darryl henderson complete the fifth round tonight farrell. Once again darryl henderson going at the end of the fifth round. And and i think one of the things i noticed from this weekend and even draft last week After the camakers injury. I did see the mid stakes guys. The football guys players championship high stakes players. They were pushing henderson up into that middle of the fourth round area where we thought he would go but it it just. It doesn't seem to be taking pros vs josie still being a mid to late fifth round. Pick here and he's the ideal player that in this format. A pass catching back with a whole lot of responsibility and he's going to get that opportunity and Yeah i i like just player Better than Mike davis select this player For certain teams Better than some of the fourth round picks that win at receiver. I could've waiting got similar receiver and locked up henderson. My as my fourth round pick. Which is what i would have done moving on in to these six round ladies. You know in the six zero one. Odell beckham to mike hagler followed by dak prescott. The cowboys quarterback goes to the wild russell's here at the second pick of the sixth round. Kenny golladay to jeff ratcliffe has his number four receiver. Kareem hunt is the number four running back taken by reaching this year. I here in the nine hole. Chase klay pool. The fourth straight receiver drafted by pat terrain after he begins his draft with waller and gibson. Then you have justin herbert. Danny mueller Devante williams to davis travis e. t. n. back-to-back rookie running backs into yen goes to husband. Read here at six. O eighth chase edmunds after that. Third running back selected by todd. Boroughs logan thomas to Kleinfeld and buyer followed by schuster. You heard that pick right here on the show. And then james robinson off the board at the six twelve. So i think a couple of things i want to point out in this round Fairl travis has an eighty peop- of five 503 three in this format. Hudson reeve getting him in the six round is fantastic value. On james robinson has an adp of seven four. He goes off the board at the six twelve tonight. Which i you know. I guess is is kind of in early. Pick but not really when you're considering How close they are and how deep we are in the draft here. I think this is the closest. I've seen go to robinson since. Atm was drafted by the jaguars. As close as i have to in maybe just maybe these guys are listening to us. I doubt it though. But you know we're talking about a hell. We can't separate the players and in production and now i would like to have both the players and We were close to making that happen. If we got closer to the end of the sixth-round at the turn you know. I'd like to take a look at david's First round the first pick of the seventh round which i if permission he's that again bulky this tyler higby and i moved back to john's team at number three and ends very impressive team. I would like to know from him in the chat room. If he has time to communicate with us he might just have his eye on the ball but Logan thomas in and tyler he'd be i wonder how obviously he has. Thomas rated higher Because that's who he took. But i wonder how far thomas me me or separate on his rating. She if they're not very if he would take one or the other. I would probably passed on tight in there and added another wide receiver Or even possibly james robinson running back. Because that's that. Juju smith schuster. I think bob sorta bailed out his draft with that player that player who's been available To john and one of those tiny ends would have made his way back would've made his way back to john so i'm just curious about that. Drafted straight one of the drafting strategies. I think it was worth is pointing out here. That was Sort of took center stage in the sixth round. Was that of danny mueller What he did and it has all chargers all the time. He gets austin in the first round. Keenan allen in the third and then justin herb in the sixth round at shane. Helen points out getting that chargers stack You gotta wonder a guy like danny miller. Who does these things in asleep. I wonder if that was his intention. The whole time To try to target those players or if it just sell that way farrell. No i think it was. I think it was just intention hard time. I think it's also intention to get williams and the here probably cook tied in. It's a wonderful offense to be in business with the aim either damien knows what he's doing We we know what he does for a living just glad he can get his head out of computer spreadsheets. That's pounding the tax preparation and coming in here in in humble all of us in the in the drafting world without very much like his team in what he's doing. Your teams bid. Tyler was the seven. Oh one tonight. To david's drew myers says number one. Five and A bunch of receivers going off and this round as well. Tyler boyd who bob. Long robbie anderson declined felt buyer followed by deebo samuel to todd boroughs portland cutting right after that Is hudson rea- selection at the seventy five russell wilson. We'll be starting quarterback for davis and then trace sermon. After danny miller does not take a running back after taking equity in the first round grabs the second one here at the seven zero seven. Jerry judy To pat korean sterling. Shepard off the board as wide receiver. Thirty five tonight to rich. Sure in the ninth. Or the the seven michael carter and damian harris trendy running back right now going in the seventh round to rackliff and russell's respectively dj charq Final pick of the seventh round to mike take Interesting exchange between bethlehem mandel and todd boroughs in the chat room Bip lab ask todd. He's like why. Why would you take a guy. Like deebo samuel over colin sutton or jerry judy anti just simply a five violate depot more than i think. That's good i. I i i liked it. I liked him better. Uh-huh you know th that's not. The answer was looking for. he wanted a little more. Thank you sir thank you was. Bill is likely to throw in a follow up Chat room question. So was yeah. We'll we'll follow that conversation As it goes on to say this this is great for him because he's already got his trousers jobs done he just got off an airplane. He's just talking in and say watching this unfold and just enjoying it without the stress of having to formulated team here The twelve teams that are formulating. Squads are still back at it in the eighth round. Here jalen hurts mike paglia. He has the Number one quarterback drafted here From the fantasy prose maven devante. Smith hurts real life. Teammate goes to the russel's right. After that zach moss jeff ratcliffe another massive receiver here in the eighth round. That takes up half round. Cole beasley To ritchie missouri Should not to pat corrine from nbc. Sports i drafted that. Michael gallup is the third Cowboys receiver drafted tonight. Danny mueller will fuller davis followed by mike williams to hudson river antonio brown to todd boroughs as his number three receiver. Then number three running back for clienteles there and buyer will be rainy. Moster this pick brought to you by. Feral elliott in kentucky tennessee supposedly championship dot com fair. Loves them some remote most. You should love yourself from. Kfc michael thomas to bob long after that the final penalty pick of the eighth round might just vicky back to back. Tight ends four. David's drew myers. He gets his seventh and sticky in the Feral question for you in the chat room from lab. He wants to know how you feel about team. Nine now said that you liked it in the beginning but then back-to-back picks of shepherd and beasley no quarterback no tight end through eight rounds on this squad. Yeah believe ritchie picked up his wrong Cheat sheet sometimes. You can lose a page and and get off. Get off healthy. He's but you know it was just got a good memory. He's he's he's picking the players. I think he's I think he's looking at receivers in heaven studied the adp shepherd a Mid double digit pick would have been appropriate For that player he can bounce back. And hey you know shepherd. Finish the season with The last game of the year last year with ten or eleven catches. He'll score For this team a couple of two or three times during the year and you know co beasley the The darling of Of the media right now co may find himself in a in a new location and Who who knows what was in store for code beasley and team number nine issue number. Twelve is where. I want to talk about A little bit here This is my piggly air And he he ends up. Drafting jalen hurts in the eighth round earlier. Oh man what was. This was earlier this week. Howard eskin we bring this up on the show on friday. We did but overall we did. She goes insider. Okay well we're bringing up now. Because i think this is worth talking about giving the team construction howard. Eskin is an insider for the eagles. He was on sports radio ninety four. Wip midday show Last week the quote here. I've talked to people in houston and they're all but resigned to the fact that they're going to to trade them. There's only three teams and talking to people around the league diagnosed. That really have the strong desire. That would be denver. Miami and the eagles have the three first round picks. And that's what they're going to have. And this is the prediction. I'm going to make but on the information that i got when and i'll say when he is traded. I think there's a ninety percent chance that he will be with the philadelphia eagles. Now feral this is one source citing several unnamed sources. We really haven't heard corroboration of this from around the nfl for my knowledge but knowing what you know there it off side of jalen hurts game Knowing how dominant he was last year when he was given the reins to this This offense knowing what he can do is is this report enough for for you to dissuade you from from picking him in the eighth round like tag we are did because if watson does get delta the eagles all of a sudden it hurt spec. It's i i don't know if he would be part of the street and he would go back to houston. I don't know how that would work. But your thoughts here on this election You don't have to swayed me and come up with many reasons. Not to draft jalen hurts. I uh and i hope i'm wrong if i'm wrong i'm willing to live with it but i'm not gonna spend my round pick on this player The the jalen hurts is very very successful when the offense collapsed around him he used his athletic skills On a team that did not have a lot of athletes on the field by the time that he got now. This whole team was injured last year. We didn't see exactly How jalen hurts is going to fit in. I want to see him I wanna see him. Go through the progressions. I want to recognize the fact that he has to pass the ball. When it's not necessarily a fire drill. He has to run an offense. And i think you'll be very successful player. But i don't know if that warrants an eighth round draft pick i would pick him in this format because i don't have to pick when he's going to be good and when he's not going to be good and this may explain packers can't get traded howie roseman spending all his time working on this lot. Buster deal For watson but. I think if watson this coming here i think hurts perhaps staying here. I really don't know i haven't been able to dig into this when and find the connectors Look at the coaching tree. Try to understand that the front office. And you're exactly right. Watson must move from this team and i think I think texans have moved on and are just waiting for that trading partner. You're right. It could be philadelphia. So there's my long answer hurts. His not my player in the eighth round he has a player in this format. Never be available to me. Because i'm not gonna pay single. Digit draft position for me is effectively off your boards. And so he's not going to be a player that will ever make it to you in a spot your complete taking him in that happens. We'll players like that for sure Moving onto the ninth round. Here for david meyer. He gets brand cooks number. Three wide off way out of bed constellation after getting jefferson and aj brown rounds two and three and getting books as your wide receiver. Three here in the ninth round. Not bad well done through. My jarvis landry fourth straight receiver drafted by bob. Long remember. bob long did not take a receiver in the first five rounds. He is hitting the yellow stickers. Hard here as that is his fourth straight. Why don't selected matthew stafford. John kleinfeld sir and dave buyer marquees brown todd bros. Followed by michael pittman to hudson ria. That's his number four receiver. Nicole hardman davis if he continues his onslaught of loading up on kansas city football players. That is his fourth one that he has acquired their curtis samuel to danny miller as Little goes off to to mueller. They're The blisters indeed The new washington football team member. Aj dylan the packers. Backup running back. Also the number two running back for pat terrain from nbc sports sides russell gauge Is the number five receiver drafted by richard insurance. That is the nine zero nine. Pick tonight shepherd peasley gauge In the seventy nine spots for ritchie mishra interesting stuff there the third straight running back drafted by jeff. Ratcliffe is indeed lombardi lenny for that And then you have kenyan drake off the boards. Who robert russell. Here in the ninth round with the and pick and jalen waddell as might take makes back-back jalen hurts in the eighth walked in the ninth. And that is the ninth round a lot. A lot of yellow. We are looking at here. In fact through the first nine rounds we do have fifty two receivers off the board and the f. Fcc for those of you who are not familiar with it quarterback running back I beg your pardon quarterback two running backs two receivers tied onto flexes this this format. No kickers no defensive but to see fifty three receivers and really the yellow is dominating this thing through the first half of the draft as we have reached the halfway point Moving forward We've talked a little bit of rain and cokes feral. Just now when we announced that he would be number three for. David drew my i. I don't know if you're giving your opinion on it. I really liked brandin cooks this year. i think that it's it's not a great football team with or without watson in houston this year and i know cooks is gonna get targeted a lot and i know that You know as far as consistency goes. This guy has done it in many different spots. And he's done it. Well new england orleans the rams i mean he and now the texans he does it well wide receiver for forty three on average going off the board at the nine six Certainly this process joe's draft would agree with the adp and that's cooked is a ninth round. Pick but fair. I think he should be going higher. I think he definitely Should be going higher. And this was this real still for this team who you're sorta cheated the draft a little bit too tight ends there two good ones and they were still able to get cooks at wide receiver. I think that was Various students pick their some picture in the draft When i looked at A friend hudson read. He gets another gift. Marquee ground goes. Is the fourth player to todd. Boroughs the fourth the fourth. Yeah the ports wide receiver to todd boroughs and markey's brown. We you know people that listen to the show all the time. We're going to get tired of me. Use hearing me say this. This is a six hundred sixty wide receiver and he will be a starter for his team if he produces it that that Threes up michael pittman for current read. Michael pittman is an eighty to one hundred catch wide receiver. Three indianapolis colts. That's what they have in mind for him. there's a lot of upside there That's the player that i would have taken. A mueller's team gets better and better every round. I don't think that he dreamed that. Curtis samuel be available there to no matter what Our mojo tells us about curtis. The the number is getting He's drafted more frequently in the eighth round. Do believe at least. That's what i'm seeing so it's interesting I see we're team number nine with jacobs on drake and team number eleven The russell they pick up kenyan drake. Which i think's wonderful player in this format and how i would've liked to have drake in jacobs on my team In this format yeah Yes and i. I will just second your your courtesy eddie. Love here with normally he does go at the ada weights He's actually gone as high as the seven hundred to over the last three days in this format and Going off the board at wire sewer forty. He goes off the board tonight at wide receiver. Fifty two danny miller here at the nine seven so good value there for newer moving on. Let's kick things off around ten with a pair of real life teammates ronald jones to mike. Paglia tom brady backup quarterback to robert and robbie russell Corey davis off the board. After that as the number five receiver to jump back with robert tanya finally ritchie and assure at drafts a tight end. I do believe he was the second to last team to draft a tight end and he finally gets his guy at the channel. Four and the packers side in robertson phony pollard. These third running back drafted by train. My guess is we're going to be a lot more green on his roster going forward given that he only had one running back selected through the first eight rounds. Tony pollard is selection. In round ten elijah more the third straight receiver drafted by danny miller. That is his sixth wideout. Ingram the final team not to take a tight end. It is davis matic from sports grade. And he gets his guy. Evan ingram the thirteenth tight end off the boards. Who joe borough to hudson rebe right after that followed by james connor. The other Running back in arizona. Todd rose did. Get the former in chase edmunds. So both the arizona running backs. We'll be on team. Run to daylight. This year for edmunds and connor Ryan tannehill Is the second straight running quarterback drafted by kleinfeld buyer stafford. And then ryan tannehill back to back. And she gets ninth and twelve quarterbacks off the boards pair of old Relatively speaking running backs off the board to complete round. That's melvin gordon to bob long. That's david johnson to david's drew meyer. Who now has taken to straight texans. He gets the number one receiver for the texans and he gets the number one running back for the texans or did he fairly believe david johnson is going to be the the texans running back that you want this year and fantasy or could it be somebody else. I believe. philip linzie will be number one. Running back for the season is over jones has been league. Good good player. He's going to get his run with this team but lindsay will provide them what they need especially With everyone believing that this team will be playing catch up playing from behind it. Especially if taylor seeds that job to davis mills the rookie out of stanford lindsay would be a desolate. Check target for young quarterback on a team that does not have a prolific tidy. And i think lindsay is your here. I wouldn't have had an argument with team the if they drafted both of them on the turn right there We do want to Yet you to the City round what does it round. Yeah around eleven analysis here and we will do that shortly before we do. I think we should go back out to our phone lines and take another call here live on the high stakes football hours coverage all the the pro twenty twenty one f. fcc pros vs joes being number four. This is jacked up on mountain dew. We're going to bring in our caller right now. And i do believe you know him very well. You follow him on twitter at best ball. Nfl it is the one the only running today light. Todd boroughs. todd. Welcome into the program. And what do you think your draft. So far man eleven rounds in Like but not love and But i've been able to do some nifty things but not a ton of value falling to me personally which is always a little frustrating. I've missed Like last pick irv. Smith would have been a great to round just missed them earlier. the et n. And you guys talked about those running back. I just missed them. So haven't gotten the value. I liked but i'm happy that i have a nice balance team as some good correlations. And i think i've made the best with what the boards given university of zone. Lamar jackson Paired with your markey's brown. That i was complaining about but you know you can't do all like that you can't Really pocos in it. And i think got great value with mooney out of chicago as your eleventh round pick. So i think you're doing all right here. Miss thank you. I one thing one move that i like you kind of touched on a little bit. There's definitely some uncertainty with the arizona backfield but to get it right. I think you're gonna have some really good scores so Taking edmonson the sixth and connor in the tent. I feel they both can pay off their Their draft spots Or maybe one pays off the six and the other one pays off the ten but if you get an injury to one of them the other one could probably give you a second or third So that's kind of a sneaky little correlation that i build in some teams todd when you drafted a lot of slim's a lot football guys out of the best ball tournament to the inaugural basketball tournament on your replaying at my f. c. dot com. Do you have a ballpark. And how many times you've locked up the arizona. Backfield of of edmonds and connor in those has advanced frequent. Has it just been once in a while. I'm not interested in football guys season-long where i have to choose which wants to start But in best ball. I don't need to choose I would say four five times out of fifty so far in the In the hundred and twenty five dollars tournaments something like that Just enough to get a flavor of it. I don't chase it. But you know edmund wasn't a guy i wanted to take if i look at the board real quick Wasn't that got you know i had hoped. Etf was gonna fall to me there. Or i was hoping that klay pool would fall to me there. But once i took edmund And then i didn't chase it. I thought about it in the ninth round. But i needed wide receiver. So i said well if if congress there at the end of the ten round Let me look real quick to see where he's been going. The last day he goes on average of like ten seven ten eight. So you know. I i felt that was pretty decent value and a and and it's It gives me one of those two is going to score from me every week And sometimes they both will We touched on this a top. Obviously when with bob. Long to zeke. Elliot i think that that kind of maybe best laid plans situation for you. Where you didn't realize travis kelsey was going to be there at the one on four. Was it an easy decision for you to take kelsey. they're over kamera or is that something that that you thought long and hard about. After the thomas injury. I thought long i have just been dressed in a lot of kelsey. Even when he comes to me. I wanna be weighed on them. But i don't wanna be over his own thirty tight end But the but the obvious obvious. And he's coming off like a career year he was healthy all year But they did lose semi walking targets hair to be really solid I did think about taking tie. Retailing said I thought as you guys talked about me. Taking ridley in the sector around. I really wanted to hilar- or Having jones in the second It didn't happen so You know. I just did the best that i could and took the best player on my board and you know and then that's the great thing about doing a ton of these. Is you know you kinda get very about it because you know how to dress can play out you know where the value is by position and you got lucky that the two guys that wanted swift and standards both made it to me. Todd you had commented in blog talk radio chat. Oh sorry yeah. Let's let's hear your pick your todd. Who who are you looking at now with your twelfth round pick. I'm gonna i. You know i got calvin ridley. I need a second quarterback I'm gonna take matt ryan to go with the calvin ridley and to go with a lamar jackson. That's finishes me off at quarterback and You know. I think that's That's pretty solid. did show. Lamar jackson and lamar jackson. Marquees brown matt ryan and calvin readily all members. It'd be run today like Basketball nfl squad for todd burrows here todd. Final question here Just just real quick you tick readily in the in the second round. You spend the btr who because they're all the running backs you wanted. Were gone. who is running back that you were targeting there as as it got closer and closer to your pick. Well the the guys that i on the most of In the second round clog edward allaire I think he got stoned at the goal line in unusual amount of time and they kept giving him the ball. They didn't bring in any other running back. He was going know one five one six last year. Nothing's changed in fact. The only thing that has changed his saying improved the offensive line. He's got his second year I think hide edwards hilarious I saw davis matichon a great pick. with I think davis. Maddox made a great. Pick taking clyde edwards hilar- To go with you listen to his. Podcast called run to daylight anywhere. You find podcast. You follow him on twitter at best ball nfl. Todd i don't wanna know speak for you but do you have a podcast coming. Sort of recapping. This draft shortly. Oh yeah. I'll do one on that. I've also got We i've been doing a lot of lives. Best ball Drafts with different partners or solo. Where i dressed in that hundred and twenty five dollars tournament I'm on the board again. Just give me a second. Oh yeah we'd love to hear the pick all right so I think the wise thing to do tight end is also getting very towards the end of the talent pool i'm gonna put in For either one of two tight ends here. i'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the guys that in my heart i think is going to be better And that's coal commit. I think i don't need much with. I don't think. I need him as much with kelsey. So i'll take the shot on the upside on the second year first round. It was the first round pick And and that'll that'll pretty much probably end me tight end to unless values there That's so great. And that's a great thing in this format you can take a third tight end Because of the dual flex and this is into tournament. Where you're trying to get team through to the end. I just wanna win this league. So i might take a third titan. Well we will see as we will cover it live here for your final five picks going forward it is todd boroughs from the host of host of run the daylight podcast and of course follow him on twitter at best ball. Nfl todd be good. Good luck to you in that basketball. Turn all your football guys leagues really all your leagues this summer. Don't be a stranger. We'll talk to you again soon. Man thank you so much guys as always. It's an honor to be part of this event. Jain hundred have you fad todd burrows by the way this is the type of player you know the pros get a bad rap feral in this format because they they don't have the experience that the joe's do and you know the pros obviously playing a lot of other leagues besides f f f f. Fcc leagues and and i think the joes are have have sort of Honed in on on Player evaluation they've honed in on adp they've honed in on a lot of stuff and when you have is where you can. You can have a pro like this. Who plays in a lot of different events in the fcc. He's the type of pro. That is gonna be tough to beat. In fact i think tara hold had his head his odd Fairly high so in this league those todd boroughs so good to hear from him. Good to get some insight from him and so brutally honest and say from him as well which we always appreciate on this program Let's get into the eleventh round fairly i. That's where we left off last time. It was jamal williams. Here going to David meyer followed by the hime hind. Pass catching running back out of indianapolis. Is the number five running back. Four bob lung irv smith off the board to fester. That's kleinfeld buyer there at the eleven. Three darnell mooney the The player that maybe has an opportunity opened up for him and chicago to todd. Boroughs at the eleven. Four with tavis. Murray backing up. Hudson reeves alvin. Kamara selection here at the 11:05 back. Toback titans go. David does go matic. Evan ingram and then gerald everett here now in the eleventh round Another g. Pick gus edwards danny mueller as his number three running back in the eleven braun. Trevor lawrence will be starting quarterback for pet kareem's nbc sports edge entry here as lawrence is his selection at eleven away Rob gronkowski back titensor rich and sure he gets in the th now gronk in the eleventh. Aaron rodgers real teammates or now Here rogers goes to jeff ratcliffe. You're at the eleven and alexander. Madison and john who smith finishing out for the russel's and mike failure Farell the Thing that i wanted to talk to you about here is the trade. That went down this weekend between the bears and the texans on the bears ended up going in dealing player that I really wasn't getting a whole lot of playing time With with matinees chicago bears. Those anthony miller he is now a houston texan. How does that affect your evaluation of darnell mooney of what we can do for fantasy managers here in twenty twenty one i. It doesn't affect it a whole lot. Because i think they already moved on from miller i think they were going to find a place for him. I expected it to be later in the year in notice guys like to bring everyone to the attention. This players caught one hundred and thirty balls and double digit touchdowns in three years. And it's just exactly what he needed was a change of venue or there's not a clear number two wide receiver. This is a great situation for anthony miller. I think somebody would be wise to take him on Moving forward let's get into the twelfth round right away here as i try to fix our video feed live podcasting. It's all the rage right Abuse yeah why. After be i have to be in this situation Bryce who normally helps this is actually commission tonight. So it's just me and rob essentially all right so the twelfth brown you have carson wentz going off the board here Followed by emmanuel sanders robert robbie russell adam trautmann be Tight end on in new orleans. How does caused a little bit about what what he can do for you. Now that Michael thomas is gonna miss a huge portion of the season kirk cousins off the board after that followed by the rookie receiver from arizona. That's rundown more. He goes to pat terrain here. Trained lance off the board Right after that. And then henry rugs going As the twelve eight pitch tonight. I believe no twelve seven hunter henry. The second time drafted here in the twelfth round followed by matt ryan. You heard that pick on the air from todd. boroughs kleinfeld files there and buyer goes devante parker. And then jared cook off the board as the penultimate pick up the twelve round. Strew meyer going with marvin jones in jacksonville now. Not the try jacksonville. Final pick in the twelfth round fairly. I feel like we've talked about a lot of saints tonight and deservedly so given the michael thomas situation. But what about adam trautmann. Now in new orleans water about adam trautmann with no jared cook and no michael thomas here could. Tv a player. That can really hope you win your league as he goes in the twelfth round. Proser cisco's tonight. New orleans must obviously think he is and they drafted high and i just. I questioned his college pedigrees. He's a former dayton flyer He passes the eye test and he has the triangle measurements that you wanna tie with strength speed height and weight I can't complain against this player. But now we're going We're going to the left and hunter henry goes later. Is that correct. Yes under henry hundred angry after travelling out. Everyone's gonna look up and be very very surprised. Is they see hunter. Henry running towards the poster outs And being the downfield target for new england patriots and it surprises me that he stays at The twelfth position once we see new england play a little bit of Ah preseason football. I expected hunter. Henry is going to shoot up. The draft boards What else are we looking at here in the twelfth round bucking that oh carson wentz. That's what i wanted to comment. Carson lynch joins jalen hurts is just a just For for my contain never well. Oh what what. What a great play of curiosity that is with Those two on his means fancy team so yeah not really like of course. Yeah my tagliatelle. By the way is is The spot he's the one who took both hurts and wednesday and he's not done at the quarterback position. We'll get to that shortly here before that. We are going to tell you what went down in the thirteenth round. Now you already know. One of these burrows made it live on air but the other picks are as follows baker. Mayfield off the boards. David drew meyer and then john. Brown ole smoke goes through bob long from bigeye fantasy sports at the thirteen or two devon single terry to fester that has climbed shelter and buyer here at the three hole. Coal commit your pick the top boroughs reshad bateman rookie receiver from baltimore. Goes to hudson reeve as his number five receivers wide receiver sixty two overall davis matica russell wilson and the seventh. He will be backing him up with. Justin feels in the thirteenth jalen. Rigor to danny mueller. Jalen rigor joins a pretty thick core of of wide receivers for mueller. So far that is his number. Seven receiver through thirteen rounds is jalen rigor. Gabriel davis off the board. The buffalo wide otsu pack terrain there in the thirteenth round ryan. Fitzpatrick is ritchie short. Second straight quarterback drafted kirk cousins and then ryan fitzpatrick followed by kwon smith. You defacto number one right up. Whiteout beg your pardon for the new orleans saints to jeff ratcliffe anthony. I served to the russel's nor fant is who they got at tight end in the fifth round. They now have another tight end on their squad in the thirteenth round his name is berkshire and jacoby myers off the board after that you new england receiver to mike pagel year that is his fifth receiver And that is your ladies and gentlemen farrell far. Be it for me to say. A quarterback is under drafted. I don't know if i necessarily have ever said that. What i look at justice fields look at a situation in chicago. A look at who he has to beat out for the starting job. I look at the investment that the bears made him. And i look at what he did in college. I really liked this player in the thirteenth round for for davis manicure. And i think this is a guy that not only will be good best ball. Pick from the get go. I think he's going to be a good football guys made event pick from the get go. I really thought that he would have risen. Updraft boards and it hasn't happened yet. But i think i'm gonna end up with a lot of justice field. That's my backup quarterback this year double digit around adjusted. Feels like him better than trae lanced. i probably liking better than trevor lines. You know when the question of a rookie quarterback it's oftentimes what's above the shoulders. These guys get into opportunity. Playing their first year are always the kind of Athletes physical specimen armed talent that you want in a quarterback with justin fields is superior in the testing aspect of the game and in his ability to translate football knowledge. Put on the field. And that's why everyone's excited about him in the front office staff and the player Brings a lot of attention from around the league. Because they're trying to figure out if how they're looking at quarterbacks works it's the league trend to push a guy like justin fields up the board everybody in the league with like having so if he's successful we're gonna see more guys like him Move through the draft and when we get to the nfl draft in april You'll see this kind of player. is a priority for nfl teams. I love the pick. I love putting them together with russell wilson and a seventeen game season Yeah you're right. Fields is going to get on the field and play early playoff in. He'll play like a veteran By game eight nine ten. We said that might tag earlier. Was not done at the quarterback position and he wasn't to a tongue of law is his third quarterback selected. I believe he is the only player with three quarterbacks on his roster as we head in to the fourteenth round almost had back to back new england receiver. It didn't happen. Nelson egos at the fourteen o to to robert russell paris campbell and white hilton real life. Teammates go back to back on stepper teams here. Jeff ratcliffe from fbi. Fantasy goes a paris campbell ritchie and assure right goes with ty hilton as his number six wide receiver. Pack rain is going to take. Giovanni bernard number four Running back here tonight. To join antonio gibson aj dylan and tony pollard. In his backfield's like jar one. We'll be backing up. Mark andrews for danny miller. Darwin is his fourteenth round selection. Interesting stuff here. From davis matic from sports grade is todd rosa's pointing out in the chat room right now that james white becomes the third. That's right just the third running back selected by davis madison. I threw fourteen rounds. He joins quite edwards allaire Angiography williams in that backfield. Eric hebron is the third tight end selected by for reeve. He joins cao pits and hunter henry on the squad. Eric runs the third drafted there by the defending overall one. Half of the defending overall champs along with this mandel terrorists marshall rookie receiver at lsu now in carolina he goes to burrows here in the fourteenth malcolm brown to fester John klein filter and dave buyer followed by irs. The number three tight end selected by bob lung and philip lindsay off the boards. David drew meyer with the final. Pick of the fourteen round and Fairly you know you look at this. And i think there is more of an onus for these Players to to maybe hook up with their own handcuffs and enclosed format. Like this where you're just trying to beat eleven teams and not say eleven hundred but he gets lindy here in the fourteenth david johnson. And the you've already gone on record saying you believe that lindsay is going to be the texans running back the draft this year. The are we gonna see a and their adp's at all or is this sort of what we're gonna see. Is david johnson consistently going ahead olympic. I think we'll see him. Get closer together. But this is a mystery and would have to ask for any mueller. Why he grabbed Philip lindsey here. He certainly needed another running back more than he need. Another tight end tight. End talent still available so i was surprised. I i've yet to see and many drafts Lindsay go after james. Quite lindsey go after brown. i think I think people fell asleep in fourteenth rounded team number. One david said it's a wonderful player. Could fall to him. So congratulations to him and And why it's not even that late. He's fallen asleep. We're looking at twenty after nine eastern time right now. We're going to go out later tomorrow. Night and tuesday so hopefully those owners will get their naps in and coffee brewed in time for the draft. Tomorrow so they will not fall asleep on the fourteenth from you. And i both like michael pittman for the indianapolis colts. This year. He goes in the ninth round tonight. as the first colts receiver drafted pittman. Going to hudson. Kern read the other two colts receivers. That went after that were to y. Hilton and paris campbell. They go back to back In this round here with the nature and rackliff you have a preference farrell on on on those players. Because i think paris campbell's the young guy who's trending up as far as his career goes but he doesn't necessarily have the talent that ty hilton does or should i say did because hilton's been riddled with injuries and subpar. Play over the course of the last couple of years compared to what he was doing when he was an alpha receiver in this. Nfl demanding the ball and making big plays seemingly every week. So on twenty twenty one dress farrell. Who do you like better. As the number two receiver for the cost of the paris campbell. Or the i liked them equally. And i normally have to take fulton in front of paris campbell. I think this is the most affordable stack of commendable passing attack a team that really gets valuable assistance from the running back. You talking about running back. Committee is bad for fantasy football. But it's great for these receivers are so many different. Looks at won't suggest won't kill the hands of the defenders as to what this team's going to pass or run these various running backs they're going to try it out onto the field in indianapolis to you i- hilton to meet still has a low gas in the tank and he took a discount to come back and play for this team. Paris campbell needs a break and deserves one and a slot receiver. That's been beat up for his entire career and has excellent skills. I think is the receivers that are gonna make carson wentz. Go and i i would like to Have as many of them rosters. I can't with Listen michael pittman league onto the fifteenth round. Do we go here on the h f our rashad paramount to david drew meyer. Their car will be backing up tyler. Murray car the second quarterback drafted by bob long for big guy fantasy sports. Oj howard the third tight on selected by kleinfeld sir buyer here at the fifteen or three couple of running backs off. The board barrington evans to top boroughs. Jd mckissick to mighty joe young. That is the team that hudson read. seem name hudson rivers using tonight as he takes mckissick there. Austin hooper third tight on selected by davis matic followed by. Aj green the former first round receiver for the bengals turned late round. Receiver for the cardinals. Little mini quarterback run here in the fifteenth round. Sam darnold soup pat korean ben rothlisberger to ritchie and assured that is his number three quarterback daniel jones through jeff ratcliffe Davy jones rookie. Running back beg pardon not the second year running back Undrafted free agent for the rams. He goes to the russel's here at the fifteen eleven and kristen kirk off the board. The final selection all the fifteen months tagliatelle from fantasy crows dot com one of the conversations. That's taking place in. The blog puck radio chat room or between. How boroughs and shane hallam. Who i believe. I spend the first hour for Draft his team. Last sunday is pointing out. That davis matic only had two running backs through thirteen rounds. Danny mueller Only had three running backs through Fifteen rows and. I think one of the things that chain pointed out here is we would seeing this more lately in these drafts four. Maybe five running backs max on some of these teams and you focus Your attention on the other positions. Now feral i. I don't think. Davis davis matic certainly a talented fantasy football player. He doesn't necessarily carry the best ball reputation. that danny mueller does although matt expense accessible in the fcc is well. Danny miller has been really successful for a long time. And i get the feeling that even though these guys are drafting back to back next to each other They may know something here. And and certainly building teams this way where you go light on running back. It's a great risk to win Given that you have to take first place in order to get anything in the pros vs joes yeah and that may be the incident. That's not a format that i've ever drafted in. That might be the answer there as to why Why he's making some of these moves. I don't question danny mueller. I only congratulate him and usually hand him drovers but you know we never allies. You're more pick from the ten th round and i think that is he followed up Samuel which we raved about that. Pick the allies. You're more pick here With michael gallup. So even gallup samuel and more. And i think that delivered everything he needed at wide receiver for him more will be a ascending player for the new york. Jets and many people are down on the jets. I think that Wilson will become a better quarterback as the year goes on and he'll connect with more quite frequently and more will in the second half of the season so should be the number one receiver gallup as we talked about the other night balki. This is the season That i think we could have our sixteen with a three one thousand yards in receptions and michael gallup certainly has the skill and certainly has the opportunity in target's share you achieve that for us and then Yeah the we're going to get to a running back run later. There's one running back that. I cannot understand why he is not going off the board. Yet as we move through these fifteenth ram. Let's get into around sixteen. We saw four quarterbacks selected in round fifteen sort of the quarterback round round sixteen. Definitely the running background is. We're seeing seven running backs. Go off the board. Here's who they were rashad. Penny to mike paglia air followed by using the third tight end drafted by the russel's here with the second. Pick in the sixteenth round. Chubu hubbard the jeff ratcliffe followed by tariq cohen to richie and assure a mo- alley cox will be the number two tight end for rain next to darren waller He goes there. And then damian williams devante booker. And tevin coleman right in the needs of the sixteenth round williams to mueller booker to matic and coleman to relieve ryan edwards the second year receiver out of south carolina. Now in las vegas. He goes to todd boroughs. Boston scott's The the one of the many backup running backs the philadelphia eagles right now. Boston scott is selected by. John kleinfeld there and they fired the marcus robinson. The chiefs receiver goes to bob long for big fantasy. Sports course the author of twenty twenty one fantasy football consistency guide and then to shawn watson number three quarterback for david's true meyer here in the sixteenth thrown fairly. I guess to charlotte watson's interesting cat. Because we know his upside how how good he can be. We don't know if he's playing. We don't know how much he's going to play if he does this season. And quite frankly we don't know what team is going to be on so to get him as the as your number. Three quarterback behind josh allen and baker mayfield. Hey that's great. I mean your quarterbacks are going to be insane. This your if watson place but i mean i. Is that the right team build. When you already have allen and mayfield you think that pick could have been spent elsewhere. Maybe on a third tight end maybe on another running back. Another wide out there carol. What do you make of the shawn watson pick. David's drew meyer at the sixteen twelve. It's pretty cool. I think you can I don't think you can successfully Play keep away in this format. But perhaps that's what he's saying. I'm not a big mayfield fan ten. I think if you're sitting there and you say we'll do. I did a two quarterbacks or three can't really make up my mind. Well wait a minute watson is still available and twos just as good as three but if my third is watson you know a player that was in the top three of the three passing a categories last year. Then then you want to have that player where i want to bring some attention to this trip Address round with the variety of running backs going off the board here. And we're here. We are in the sixteenth. Ram a starting running back from the new york. Jets that if you think about his role early on in his at fifty fifty. So it coleman In the sixteenth round The free agent running back that goes to the new york jets and in joins his coaches. That had him at san francisco and was one of their first moves. Actually they got. The job was to assign kevin coleman Makes no sense to me. How this player was available. Sixteen in some of the guys that went off the board Before he did. Yeah and i guess. I'll bring this up. And this goes back to our sort of our lindsey versus johnson conversation in houston because we do have the Blessing i guess you could say Or the advantage of having preseason football this here and you like that once these teams roll out with the ones on the field. Roll out with the twos. We're going to. We know how we value these players farrell. We don't necessarily know how the teams value the players which to me is even more important because if a team doesn't like you they're not gonna play. Well they're not. It doesn't matter how good you think they are. They're not going to help you in fantasy. And so if we see. Kevin coleman starting out there with the ones. Yeah we're gonna see his. Adp go up and we're gonna see michael carter's false if we see philip once lindsay running up there at the ones For you know two or three possessions for houston in the preseason. Then i think we could see a flip flop there. Especially if david johnson is considered you know consistently with the backups. Those are just two examples and this is what preseason will do for us. This year is is fantasy players is we are going to get to see inside the mine so to speak of these coaches and it will certainly help determine. Adp kevin coleman sixteenth round. Pick tonight. what is he going to football guys or a main event or best ball tournament. What does he go a month from now. After preseason starts i don't know could be much higher. We shall see. I'm we'll tell on that. Let's move into the seventeenth round the peninsula round all this Vs joes draft tonight. Jamison crowder is off the board at the seventeen. O one by allen. Lazard to bob. Long at the seventeen onto travis. Fold them to fester at the seventeen three followed by hayden. Hearst now hidden hearses interesting here because he is the only non wide receiver drafted within the first eight. Picks of the seventeenth round huge. Receiver runs here again as if we couldn't get more of yellow stickers on the board running out of yellow stickers tyrone williams right after that to hudson standing watkins. The davis matic. I'm raw saint brown goes off the boards who danny miller here the arming brown the rookie receiver for the washington. Football team to pat corinne. Dalton schultz is the number three tight end drafted by richie sure. And then you have zac wilson as the number three quarterback drafted by fade the noise fantasies. Jeff ratcliffe jalen guyton off the board. I think it's the first time we see jalen guyton drafted on a process. Joe's draft this season. He's off the boards. The russel's at these seventeen eleven to sean jackson. The final pick on the seventeenth. Round here to mike hagler farrell charge accent that marks eighty four receivers selected through seventeen rounds. Which is an average. If my my nashville there correct that's an average of seven receivers Per team now. It's not unusual to see a team with like seven receivers at this point but for every team to be averaging That's a lottery. steve. And i think the evidence of jalen guyton finally being selected in this draft It just proves the point of these guys love their wideouts and i think many of them invest case scenarios with the optimal scoring this year. We'll see a lot of four wide receiver. Lineups and who doesn't entire williams is my favorite pick here in the seventeenth round. Here's the player. That does nothing to score touchdowns when he's on the field. Sammy watkins may slash as a receiver from this. And i'm a big guy fan. I don't know if he has a path to field especially what did in the draft And there's some couple of receivers at least one from los angeles los angeles rams and went after guidon but You you can't really Pocos at it because it's gotten does play. He has the potential to be a game breaking down field Deep pass receiver apparel. How travis fog of look so awesome like top twenty five or top thirty receiver for a month and now he's an afterthought drafts thought pretty much the end of last season you know. He just couldn't get anything done. How does the player like that. Look so awesome for a month and all of a sudden it seems like the books out on him and he can't get anything done he's player. He played with a lot of physicality In in in a different way than any other player did philadelphia. If you recall defenses. Were getting ready to defend the smaller wide. Receivers the wards and that type of receiver that philadelphia's still out on the roster Follow them confused the defense and and he called the ball. Well you made some difficult Catches outside of the receiving window. And i thought he was very very good player Part they continued. The team continues to started the season with injury. They continued to get injured throughout the year. And it compromised. Everyone's play In philadelphia for them once again will probably interest in drafters moore interest in fantasy players. at the waiver wire in the best ball slim format in the f. Fcc over the last three days on monroe. St brown goes at the sixteen o seven as wide receiver. Seventy-five tyrone williams wide receiver. Eighty at these seventeen onto so basically with an half around each other which is really interesting. Because i think after you know the rookie hype train was going on. Rusty brown was going way ahead. Way ahead of the other lions receivers now in this draft girl. We we look at how it felt tonight on the seventeenth round for both of these players tyrod williams actually gets elected i at the seventeen five followed by almond ross brown at the seventeen seven. A pair of joe's very accomplished joe's takes takes these guys. You love tyrel williams. I know that. And and i feel like i've been drafting a more based on conversations. We've had on this show What do you make obama prostate brown. Now that the hype over. Is this guy simply going to have to get a williams or paramount injury to matter. Because he's still got jared goff throwing to him team should be bad should be throwing But i don't know what to make almond saint. I'll tell you what digital said about him. off air shortly here on this on this program but what he said about I think he's a very ordinary athletes. had an opportunity to show his skills are fairly high level in college and he got himself some attention i think i think he might be overdrafted in the nfl. And i think he might be over grasping finding his way onto the board sphere. I think there might be some other players that i would rather have. This can be disproven 'cause he could play faster than his time speed. He appears to be a player that plays with confidence and his in his pedigree would suggest if you'll be comfortable and have a good self image of themselves and that will make a difference In the way that he handles himself as a professional so i. I'm not going to say this player can't do it. But i can make a case for a number of other players. I would rather have this like the drafts. I just don't think he upsets their f. Pc co founder and former our co host of this podcast digital jersey said that he's of the belief that the saint brown guys. We know the story with them right. I mean the the bodybuilder who Who is their father. Who married his wife. Based you know. I don't wanna say purely but Wanted to find a woman who would be great for breeding elite athletes And they certainly have. And gisele is of the opinion that he thinks that these that these guys that academia saint brown. I'm chris brown. I know there's another one too that not necessarily they get coached up if they ball cup and maxed out athletically. And that's why they early and that's why they're able to dominate in college. But when they get to the pros and they're going up against the elite of the elite. They usually can't take that next step for like a lot of other rookies. Do for not matching out athletically in college. So he's down on saint brown to. I'm with you more more kind in the middle like i i. I could see him being successful. I don't necessarily think it's all that likely Especially on this team but We've never seen you know dan campbell. Jared goff the andrea swift williams. Tj hopkinson jairo williams. I'm brian all in the same team before And it will be interesting to see what kind of offense develops from those guys all in the same field. Hey we are done with this draft. Let's take through the eighteenth round before feral and i get into some team analysis here The first of the eighteenth round was banned jefferson. So mike hagler from fantasy pros go back to back rams number three receivers or number. Three number four receivers. I guess jared goff. The former ram goes to robert robbie russell after that big running back around here ramachandra stevenson to jeff ratcliffe their williams off the boards enriching unsure kenneth gain while to pat terrain followed by j. p. ryan to danny miller and justin jackson davis matic from sports grid selects him moving forward for the rest of the round here nico collins and other texans receiver through hudson current reeve marquez. Valdez can't link to boroughs. Hill and jameis. Winston seem made some real life. They go back back. The separate teams here. john klein filter and dave biotech tasted hill with these third to last pick. And it's bob. Long taking jameis winston with the second to last pick christopher the final pick mr relevant in this draft maybe relevant in the jets tight end room as well More to come on that going forward as we try to flush out that situation on the our but christopher earned him the final pick of the draft number three tight undrafted by david's drew meyer and it is in the books. As long as we are talking about david minor. Let's analyze house. He built his team tonight. Feral josh allen baker. Mayfield shawn watson at quarterback christian. Mccaffrey mike davis james robinson. David johnson jamal williams philip lindsay at running back justin jefferson. Aj brown brandin cooks marvin jones for shoddy pyramid jamison crowder at receiver tight ends. Are tyler higby. Mike dickey and christopher and i think i'm gonna agree with a lot of the points that you made about meyer throughout the program tonight. I love the fact that he didn't take a tight end in the first six rounds and still got tight. End tight end. Eleven off the board in higby and guisti in a best ball format. I think he's awesome. That quarterback with josh allen baker mayfield and the shawn watson as well running back so i think he's going to be okay. love mccaffrey. That covers up a lot of holes. And then get mike who could be a bell. Count atlanta you have james robinson and jacksonville who technically. We don't know how the engineer robinson could be undervalued right. Now that's just number three running back you then locks up texan's backfield still. Has jamal williams a guy who the cowboys lions running backs coach said one be back. I think it was anthony win. Said he's the one be there Receiver i guess the question mark here for me. Jefferson brown and cook. Hey that's great for your first three. But marvin jones rashad perriman jamison crowder. Not so sure. After that. And and and i think that's you gotta be week somewhere. I think that's true myers week. Here's the wide receiver deft. I think we started bragging about him. After philip lindsay and it went to his head he went out and got perriman watson. The we don't know about crowder and heard who. I wanna believe in and i got no reason to think that that i wouldn't have made that same Play there. I think there are receivers that in the jets room that i would have liked to have taken a risk on keeling. Coal plays with a lot of confidence. Caused a lotta balls at jacksonville. I think jamison crowder days in new york or as complimentary player now and not the same kind of receiver that we've seen in the past. I think teams going a different direction. Young coach Young offensive coordinator. Defensive-minded coaches turned it over to young coordinator. I think they're moves to draft and free agency suggests that Jamison crowder is not the same receiver that he was less. You bob long over at big guy fantasy. Sports kicks his draft off while he didn't kick it off with the quarterback position. But as quarterbacks are kyla murray their car and jameis winston running back. Ezekiel elliott david montgomery. Jk dobbins melvin. Gordon hines Receivers juju smith schuster. Tyler boyd michael. Thomas jarvis landry. John brown's the marcus robinson allen lazard tight ends are dallas qatar. Jared cook and zach earth's I you know it's it's weird that he built the running backs to the way he did but i think he explained himself very well and i think he's you know they're very very good. Might be the best in the league with elliot. Montgomery in dominance quarterback. I think he's gonna be five with marie car and winston the tight end position. Now i mean it sounds like erz is probably going to be back with philly. I mean that news could change tomorrow. Who knows but he gets got her and erz here to lock the phillies situation. And i like jared cook as well out in los angeles so i think he's going to be good. I like the receivers that he took here. Some of 'em smith schuster boyd. Landry love all those guys michael thomas. i'm not so sure but he is a pick to win type player Again i would be taking the eighth round So i think that's the question mark for me but i think this is a fairly traditional bob. Long consistency draft We we see a lot of players on here being selected ahead of adp because of what they've been able to do over the course of last year's just last year I don't like the land your big at all bulky. I think that Landers numbers suggest that you could their steady. But i don't think steady wins the day or wins this league here. I happen to like the thomas. pick I trust that he will return after six games. That'll give him eleven games in this format to find his pace. And we've talked in leslie about How i believe the head coach in new orleans can make a receiver in and design. A is his purpose to design a game. Where hey we're gonna feed the ball to this player. We saw it last year with kamara. So last year was sanders even We saw callaway before he got hurt. This is very very easy. Leap wide receiver that. He's picking up here in the eighth round and if he has its it'd be has an elite wide receiver for eighth round draft capital for eleven games in this format. I think that's a smart move. john kleinfeld and dave fire. Let's see how many smart moves they made tonight with their squad. Matthew stafford ryan tannehill and tastes them. Hillock quarterback running back valve in cook miles. Gaskin most devon singled. Terry malcolm brown in boston. Scott receiver davante adams became metcalf supercup robbie anderson devante parker travis folding and the titans are logo thomas smith and oj howard fair. I don't have a whole lot of quarrel with with this team I know that you love gaskin. I know that you love her. He most certainly The running back situation. There's probably good for you. I think it's all right for me as well adams picking got it goes with the risk of rogers but you're also getting at the end of the second as opposed to the end of the first which is where he was going before the rogers stuff started But i think this is a very balanced team. I i like the squad put together by clients ulcer and buyer. I like it. My guys quit on me for the sixteen seventeen th and eighteenth round just picks it all boston scott. The giant killer is like. I like to get the elton because He gets play houston twice and so. I'll make a case for boston. Scott he gets to play the giants twice because he's a noted giantkiller but. I don't think there's enough opportunity. We discussed the the the only place on the howard Is in the best ball concept. And so i can live with that I don't necessarily understand what tastes them. Hill being drafted. Especially when you have stafford tannehill. I can think of wide receivers that are going to catch sixty balls maybe more towards the end of the year and then the first of the year That would help his team More than travis folding. Although you know. I admire travis. A great deal Todd boroughs a guy that we admire a great deal ad best ball. Nfl on twitter. His squad ended up with lamar jackson and matt ryan quarterback the andrea swift miles. Standards chase edmunds. James connor guarantee evans at running back. Receivers are calvin ridley. Deebo samuel tonio brown marquees brown darnall mooney. Sarah marshall brian edwards marquez. Valves scanning and then the tight ends travis. Kelsey co commit and hated her. This is I don't wanna say a more traditional Basketball leagues builds. But i think we can see what todd boroughs was doing here. He says value in the first couple of rounds built up the running backs early after that and then took a lot of receiver darts and which should be successful. You would think by enlarge going forward over a seventeen game season. I call combat and thirteenth. I think that's a great pick. I liked the hayden. I pick in the seventeenth round. I know you do to farrell. So this is another again. Todd boroughs lot of experience. Drafting these teams and it certainly showed the squatty built tonight. I think so too. I don't think i can add much to that. Bulky except Bring the kinchen to Antonio brown around did he get into. Antonio brown went in the eighth round. Yes we talk more about markeith round but anyone that watched Tampa bay which is everyone that watches football anyone that watched brady throw after the bye week. Realize that the downfield passing game became alive and antonio brown going to thrive in that situation when they pick up where they left off. I think that's a fascinating pick right there. It's it's a team that has a lot of What's the terminology mouths to feed. But you know what not. A lot of those mouse can get open. Downfield like antonio brown. Can you are right with that Totally dead on accurate and that was the what's what's pod borough stay. Let's move on to the defending one half of the defending champs here. Hudson kern read at the five spot. He is defending his title. Patrick mahomes joe. Borough as his quarterbacks alvin kamara joe mixing chavez. Upn latavius marine jd. Mckissick and seven coleman at running back receivers are jomar chase portland sutton mike williams michael pittman sean. Bateman tyrod williams nico hide. I'm kyle pits. Hunter henry eric. Hebron it's a really good team through really good team. Yeah he gets early. I chimera them at five. Which i think is great. He gets too high volume running backs early. He gets a what what could be a an excellent wheat tied in in. Kyle pits here in the third. He gets the number one quarterback off the board. And he's still locked up his stains backfield. He still gets meco collins and pyro williams in the seventeenth and eighteenth which i think is awesome not to mention seven colon. Sixteen by and large i. I'm not a huge fan of the mike williams picked. But i get that. The chargers might be using him a little bit differently in the new offense this year. But i just look at this team. There's not a whole lot of holes. And i think he was fortunate to get enough value falling to him and he took advantage every single time it did. I would have drafted pittman ahead of williams lo and behold pittman slides to him. When he comes around we've already spoke about a hundred henry. Maybe i could have found somebody better than bateman hebron to pick. I think i could but those players i don't think will score often for him In the seventeenth round tyrone williams up at tyrolean scores three or four times for him in the year and hard to say with nico collins but why not give that player Give that player shot in the last round. We've talked about him. Potentially being this the number two wide receiver of for the texans end latavius murray. Here that's the great thing about kamara You get to back him up running back. Despite the fact that latavius thirty one years old. espn the standalone value. his value. With as as in the value of all saints was increased with the the early season. non-availability of michael thomas. We have about eleven minutes or so left in the show. Try to rip through these last few teams for ladies and gentlemen. Russell wilson and justin feels. Go to davis matic. As his quarterback clyde edwards layered devante williams james devante booker justin jackson running back receivers tyreek hill. Cd lamb. chris. Godwin power lock. It will fuller nicole hartman henry rugs. Sammy watkins tight ends. Evan ingram gerald. Ever and austin hooper. Davis matic was responsible at least in part pushing receivers up the board tonight barrel. He took some Some some homerun picks running back late with avant they booker and justin jackson. I think it's going to have to have some injuries for those guys to come through. But i love his quarterbacks. I think waiting on tight end like he. Did you still end up doing very very well. There with ingram. Everett and hooper The question is the running back that are they gonna come through because the receivers will carry you So far but can carry you all the way with those running backs. Trae sermon is is gamble. He talked about most or two now. being available. so sermon should get touches. Tough in between the tackle runner Gus edwards same situation the same description I think this I think this team Looking at the wrong column bother mccall hartman I i think. The usefulness of this player has been has been shown in the super bowl. I think everything room could benefit from heart transplant. He really wants to be an nfl field. So i'm gonna go with. Gerald ever is being my favorite pick Eh tight end position in the tight end is going to score here. We've already talked about feels. Show we talk about rugs being a very good player and coming forward Good to pick up booker here. We don't know when the availability barclay We'll show it's head in twenty twenty one season. So good out to pixelbook moving on danny mueller squad. Justin herbert trae. Lance are the quarterbacks running backs often trae sermon gus edwards damian williams and soman j. p. ryan receivers the andre hopkins keenan allen t hagans. Michael gallup curtis samuel larger more jalen rigor. Aj green on rostering brown tight ends mark andrews and blake darwin fairly. You kind of touched down the the running backs already. I kinda agree with your assertion on both sermon and edwards. The chargers stack is live on the scene. He's got a ton of great receivers. And i think the difference separates this team for me Then davis from davis maddix. Even though i think both of squads are similar. bill's. I happen to like the running back a little bit better On daniel edwards damon was grabbing damien williams on a lot of spots. I think somebody j. p. ryan is is is consistently underrated as the defacto backup to joe nixon as well danny miller put on a clinic tonight and i think that this team has is going to be one of them to beat in this league. Well sure not gonna like this team better now than i realized. It's danny's name align rich. No i think. I think danny Put himself in the forefront of this league in the eighth ninth and tenth around with those three receivers gal samuel and more I don't like treat pick. I don't think that's going to help him like jar. Win is a mystery to me And i can understand what people like him. there's there's players at the end of the draft. That i would have done things. I would have done differently but i don't think you win. These drafts hit the end of them. Obviously you can't argue with what he did and how he built this team In the first eleven around since impressive hat korean. Nbc sports edge dot com You have Trevor lawrence sam darnold quarterback positions until you gibson. Aj dylan tony pollard. Giovanni burn kenneth game while running back. Alan robinson's dj more brandon. How you chase klay pool. Jerry judy lewis. Guess chenault rondell mor. Gabriel davis the army brown receiver. There in waller and mo- alley cox are the tight end. receivers again going to carry this team. Some of the best in the league After we just got done talking about magic and mueller steam koreans is right up there as well running backs. I don't know. I mean dylan is number. Three i love is the number two man. I dunno tony pollard. It's elliot goes down. Yes sure but if he does it how much does he get on. The field bernard to logjam at the situation at at running back in tampa. Same thing you could say about. Kenneth gain well Waller is going to be a stud. I don't know if i would have waited as long to draft a backup tight. End getting mohali tax there but the receivers are good. The quarterbacks are a little shaky as well I don't know if i would have spread if i would've loaded up on receivers so much that it able to spread out depth and the other three positions. Patrick is going to challenge with this team. Gabriel bass player that we both admire but with the acquisition of emmanuel sanders. How much will he get to do for the buffalo bills Bernard catch fifty passes could be a nice complimentary player. But he's gotta do more than that since he supports running back mojo alley cops and mystery. Yeah i don't That's the the thing when you you put these glorious receivers on a club and you get to the ninth round and you're looking for running back to you've gotta pick one that you're sure is going to play insurance going to touch with dylan and pollard. Rumor that moving onto team nine ritchie and assure up kirk cousins ryan fitzpatrick ben rothlisberger quarterback there's henry aaron jones josh shakeups kareem hunt tariq cohen daryl williams at running back terry maclaurin adams feeling sterling. Shepard kobe's lee russell gauge ty hilton that receiver robertson rob gronkowski and dolton schultz at tight. End I think the story here was was what happened around seven shepherd beasley and then gauge seven. Eight nine not sure. I understand that especially the shepherd and the beasley picks really hurts. Your receiver got The tight end. I'm not adult and scholtz guiding jar. One is going to be the guy there this year. Talion and might be enough. I like waiting on. Quarterback can getting cousins Fitzpatrick rothlisberger issue number. Three your your three quarterbacks. There and the running backs are awesome but failed. The receiver depth is going to be hurting on this team when you consider that only drafted six wide receivers and there's number three sterling shepherd it is. I would've liked to have seen today. Area's tony go to this club and phone from the and it doesn't appear that tony was even drafted in this league and i But that being stabbed with the seven eighth and ninth pick you know. Shepherd could easily catch seventy passes again beasley If he gets on the field in buffalo or wherever he lands is proved last year that he's an eighty catch guy. Russell gaze caught seventy two passes last year. These guys don't excite us. They don't get our pulse moving but they could Give him some of the numbers he needs. And then he really rally gronkowski's your perfect absolute perfect best ball tight end. Quarterbacks are great. ty hilton. i would have drafted Earlier than the fourteenth round. So i think he rallied. And you know we talked earlier about rico and actually being a slot receiver That reality may be moving more in that direction. With the fact that miller just took his game to the houston. Texans so i think this I think this team definitely got better and There may be some real numbers in those receivers that were poking holes it right now. Pay the noise. Jeff ratcliffe well with aaron rodgers daniel. Jonesing zach wilson's his quarterbacks saquon barkley michael carter zach moss leonard fournette chubu hubbard and reminder stevenson at running back stefan. Amari cooper deontay johnson. Kenny golladay corey. Davis trick wants smith paris campbell. At receiver hines or tj hopkinson and adam trautmann fair This is a squad that i kinda depends upon the health of saquon barkley because if this guy starts off slow or is not himself. You're relying on guys like carter moss for to get it done. And that is not going to be enough to contend. Even though i love the quarterbacks receivers and the ends on the squad all of those running backs have players. That are serious. Factors to cut into their playtime moss. Moss biggest problem to overcome is his Running quarterback that takes touchdowns away from him that the goal At the goal line. Corey davis good player. Aaron rodgers is just ticket right here. His lottery ticket No i would've put this team together a little differently Tip the cap to the trade. Quan smith in paris campbell. Great late ads and He likes his giants You know so that maybe these giants will come forward twenty father and son duo robert robbie russell picked eleven tonight. They used to select that prescott. Tom brady and jared goff. Running backs nausea harrison. Nick chubb damian harris kenyan drake alexander madison and xavier jones. Mike evans robert woods devante smith and manual standards nelson aguilar and jalen guyton other receivers tight ends are no offense. Anthony purchaser and cj use among So you look at the squad. Love the quarterbacks. I think he did a great job in running back as well. The receivers maybe not my favorite guys in the world. I mean evans woods shirt but the monterey smith is your number three could be good. I guess i could be wrong about him. and then You have seen. I mean aguilar's fine. I know you like guidance farrell and then the tight ends june offense good but i probably would have gone earlier than anthony berkshire to back him up so a team that i think has potential natural. It has enough to take the whole thing down here. Better picton furniture. I believe in people who's been around league for five years and he hasn't put it together And this could be his last. Ross i would be willing to bet on him. One of the receivers that i've talked about in in addition to coney Or tony is josh reynolds. And josh reynolds goes to The same tennessee. Titans is fifty two passes last year. I'm not so sure that. I or is is going to be the number one target Reynolds in the slot could add especially With the to All pro receivers in jones and aj brown Taking down The the the defense's it's it's a great situation that the slot receiver position can be very very productive for tennessee. And that's what i might have That's what i might have gone poor. I like reynolds hands. It like the ability to be slippery around the goal line and score touchdowns fifty to sixty catches not gonna get it not gonna help you in this format but Reynolds could be a surprise touchdown maker for till see final team. We will look at night as might pagliara. From fantasy pros he ends up. Getting jalen hurts carson. Wentz and hunger by law as quarterbacks running backs jonathan taylor chris carson daryl henderson ronald jones and rashad penny receiver. Julio jones odell beckham. dj chart. jalen jacoby. Myers chris kirk sean jackson and van jumpers and then The titans are george. Kill and johnny smith so let me just talk a little bit. We'll where i'm coming from an on. This squad hurts wentz by law. I don't worry about those that triumvirate at quarterback. I mean it's fine. I'm not. I throw it out the window as quarterback being concerned for this team the running backs like taylor like carson you. When i both mike henderson we both think he went too low here so that was a good pick. I personally starting to like ronald jones. A little bit more I feel like high stakes. Owners are have undervaluing him. I think he's coming up. Eight p a little bit right now. So i like him as your number four running back and then of course. We're penny to go along with chris carson. We obviously with the strategy. Was there. Odell beckham is your number two receiver. I think i'm more of a fan of that. Then the hive mind right now. I think a lot of people would tell you that. That's not going to be good enough at your second receiver. i know the emphasis on levinsky chenault and jacksonville right now but i think. Dj turkey can't overlook him with the best quarterback he's ever had in his career. I don't like myers. I'm not a christian kirk guide to lock up the sean jackson and band jefferson on a team. That should be throwing the ball a lot that helps out receivers and then kill john. Smith are really good as well. So if you peel back the onion a little bit on paglia team. I think we get inside the mind a little bit right here and and see what he was doing and i happen to agree with with a good portion of it. Very cleverly built team and yes drafters are what. I don't understand what ronald jones has to do. A young player was approaching. Two thousand yards rushing. He caught some balls. Twenty eight last year scored a lot of touchdowns very very young player. He'll come back and play with more confidence. Everyone's obviously focusing on what fornet did in the playoffs and. Hey that's what you do in the playoffs. You put your guys that been there before and you. You're wiley veterans and you give them the chance to succeed and he did that wrong. Jones player the future for tampa. And i'm a i'm surprised that This draft was able to get huge value on jones and huge value on henderson. He's going to be rooting for the rams and tell you that We i know we went a little overtime tonight. So if you are listening live This your your sound will not work but this will be On the podcast as well so you can download that shortly here in listened last few minutes of the show One thing we never want to do is cut off the definitive commissioner of fantasy football team. 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2021 FFPC Pros Vs. Joes Mike Honcho League #1

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"Will there be a first round. Shocker into nights live draft. How low will saquon barkley be drafted this evening and kim. The joe's keep the title on their side as we begin our pick by pick coverage. Follow along with the live draft board tonight and listen to our analysis as we call the action from the twenty twenty one. Ffa pcc pros vs joes mike konczal league number one to see who will win a twenty twenty two half. Fcc main event squad. We've got a great show for you. Feral elliott is here. I'm eric bachmann stick around your high stakes. Fantasy football our starts now have found the price Broadcast live and heard around the world. You are listening to the most entertaining our of radio on the planet. Welcome to the high stakes. Fantasy football hour presented by my f- f- pc dot com with your hosts eric ball spin and barrel elliott the high stakes fantasy. Football hour is your home for analysis from the best players in the world and now because no one else was available. Here's eric schmidt and farrell elia and salutations to all of you bulk hollick's and ferrelli x. As we bring you the latest episode of the high stakes fantasy. Football hour brought to you by my f- f- dot com. It is that time of year again. Ladies and gentlemen it. Is that time of year as we kick off pros vs joes. Tonight i am. Of course you're a slightly above average host. Eric bachmann my coast is the definitive commissioner of fantasy football. Farrell elliott Tonight as the first of six special episodes where you in twenty twenty one f. fcc pros joe's mike konczal league number one draft night. We'll be covering it for two hours. You can follow the live draft board at youtube dot com slash high stakes fantasy football shadow to the chat room right now. You can post any questions you all might have in there. You can connect with us on twitter at hss atmospheric walkman farrell is at j farrell elliott. Don't forget about the kfc at camp at st and of course kfc dot com facebook dot com slash. Hsf hours where you can connect with us and if you want to chime in and talk with us give us a call. Three or four seven four to six thirty six eighty two. That's three four seven game opa. We'll try to get all the chat room questions tweets All throughout the program. Tonight thanks to all the hardware card producer. Mutual friend rob and of course our audio engineer and my best friend right. It's just wanna let you know next. Monday is the deadline. Pretty twenty twenty one f f. Pc main event early drafts lot announcement. When you pay your team in full Or or pay off your teams. You just put a deposit down. You'll get your address lot on august. I basically a month plus ahead of time before the the live events in vegas or if you're drafting online you'll get your dress lot in plenty of time So you know how to pressboard if you already have a team in the main event you'll get four hundred dollars off each additional team you add on. You can square those balances away now. We're registered for more at my sipc dot com tonight. We have a very tough lineup For you hear what the pros anjos sides of it Leading off tonight is the The defenders mike sh- open adam crow worse than the deep end fantasy football. Podcast drafting in the one spot left and right after that at to shane. Hallam from the fake pigskin is picking third hitting cleanup is the f. Fcc joe mike read sigmund bloom from football guys who is defending his league title from last year which means he'll be participating in the f. Fcc made event this year. He is drafting. Fifth ahead of mike guzzi lack and joe skoza at mistakes howard vendor from the fantasy alarmist picking seven j. reid and scott connor from the chasing the hell podcast their joe's picking at eight Billy muccio from fantasy data is ninth gesture. Bossy is out of the whole tonight. Evan silva from established but run is the final pro at eleven and of course ryan lips taking twelfth tonight. Let's get into the draft. Picks themselves as we are already One round deep into this eighteen around swim draft. No kickers no defenses. No excuses This is a best ball. Big for the uninitiated and These guys we should be able to get the full Draft in tonight before we sign off the evening Chopin crowd were sleep. Things off at christian mccaffrey. The one on one no surprise there been basically the de facto number one pick in all the f. fcc draft so far delvin. Cook the one to two norian at the To travis kelsey first tight off the board chain hallam takes him at one. Three derrick henry goes to migrate at the one four segment bloom. This guy is no stranger to drafting tight ends in the first round of the f. fcc pros vs joes. He takes the second tight end off the board. That is darren waller tonight there and waller at the one old five Alvin kamara follows that pick up and take him at six Excuse me ezekiel elliott howard vendor. Not sure jim bowdoin was influencing him on that. Pick all the noted cowboys fan on the fantasy alarm Bender takes ezekiel elliott at one. Oh seven austin. Heckler is j. reid and scott. Connors pick at the eighth overall selection. Now get a pair of receivers. The first two receivers off the board we get tyree kill at the one. Oh nine to billy muzo and then stefan digs to jeff bossie who takes Second receiver off the board with the tenth overall. Pick two players. That have actually been falling drafts. A little bit In the Football guys players championship in the f. Fcc inaugural best ball tournament. Saquon barkley and jonathan taylor. Still make it into the first round here but barkley goes up one eleven. Jonathan taylor at the one twelve gotta wonder in and I think there's been a lot of discussion about barclay on rich eisen podcasts. Within the last week or two Refusing not really refusing darting around answers to how healthy is knees. What is projected. Timetable is and how much he expects to be doing. When training camp starts which is just around the corner ladies and gentlemen Wouldn't answer any of that. The giants have already said they're going to bring around slowly. This is something that fantasy football players high stakes fantasy. Football players will have to figure out How they're going to treat sikwan barklay in-draughts this year you're gonna take him You know as a top five top six running back or are you gonna let them slip to the end of the first round Could be a great value. Obviously and and you think about the start you could have if barkley is healthy if you're getting them at the end of the first round is evansville did here Then you pair them with an early second round. Pick as george costanza would say. Now you gotta team so. I think this is interesting to see where barkley is going to go. A lot of fluctuation is my project projection As we get closer and closer to The live main event traps that planet. Hollywood in las vegas for the f. Fcc jonathan taylor's another interesting guy to because he was a player that i know a lot of people were high hyping up early in the drafting season and that the fcc drafting started there for twenty twenty one back january while the class. We're still going on and people were really hyping up. Jonathan taylor based on his really strong end to the twenty twenty season Factors to consider the addition of marlin. Mac the resigning marlin mac obviously. And then you saw jordan wilkins there. And then he stealing passes these were all known quantities back then. I'm not sure why. Now taylor is not being selected as a front half of the first round player being selected as back half of the first round ryan. Lips makes him his choice here at the one twelve. Let's get into the second round littered with running back here late in german cam acres off the board lips so he goes running back running back to start one of four Teams tonight that have started off with running back running back acres to lips. De'andre hopkins is who evan silva paired. saquon barkley with Deandre hopkins goes up to a one. And then we three straight running back. Nick chubb to jeff to your body antonio gibson to billy muzio and inclined edwards allaire to read and connor remember quite edwards hilar- last year was a guy was going in the mid. First round of a lot of drafts a lot of high stakes stress and he let Those owners now. He had a solid season but not middle the first round season and we saw him slip off a a little bit and now he's bouncing back a little bit more reading connor. Take him at the two five tonight to go with austin. Ecuador catches a lot of receptions that field so far for beating. Connor devante adams the You know potential shrapnel from the will they won't they story with green bay packers and aaron rodgers. Adams is the first packer Selected tonight as he goes at two. Oh six to howard bender. Then you're looking at george kendall to guzzi lack in gozo as the third tight end off the board the first one in the second round and this is interesting too because i wonder if sigmund bloom had he had the opportunity who drafting right after lack goes it if you would start off with waller and kill any event. He doesn't get the chance because kiddle goes with kamera goes lack ends goes there. Joe mixing is the quasi consolation prize. I guess we're seeing the move from. Not getting george king he gets Waller and mixing and start off his draft. Mike reid yellow is not a harris Off aboard to pair with his derrick. Henry talented backfield there For for read pair of alabama running backs. They're actually. I'm michael thomas to shane hellum. And then you have decay. Metcalf eleven norian. Let's go with his dalvin. Cook selection aaron jones these final selection of the second round as chopin crowd worse. Happy pretty happy. Getting the fifteenth running back off the board Aaron jones to To pair with christian. Mccaffrey it's interesting to and i don't think you really consider this a whole lot. Although i know that fi weeks are in play but jones. Mccaffrey both have the same by week. This year So chopin crowd. We'll have to figure out something in thirteen as the for their backyard and we thirteen as the draft goes on here to make sure they are not getting skunked in that back. They'll every other week you know health permitting it should be really really good. So if you're looking at the total after two rounds you're looking at three tight ends off the board. You're looking at six receivers off the board and the rest. Were all running backs running backs going heavy in this draft everybody loading up on volume. Everybody loading up on On on those on a lot of coaches as much as they can to try to win that twenty twenty two f f. pc made event team and only one team can win it. That's one of the great things about the pros vs joes is. You will see a lot of home runs swings rather than Swinging for contacts or trying to get a double off the wall. One team will win something in this draft tonight. The team that wins it will get a free f f. pc main events To the twenty. Twenty two version whether it be online or live in las vegas and second-place gets up. Kiss it so it's it's a tough pill to swallow. But that's why we get the best players in the world going up against the best fantasy analysts in the world and the draft and one of these teams will walk away with that main event entry moving on in the third round. We're seeing a little bit more yellow on the board as receivers start going off a little hot and heavy here calvin. Ridley is the three. Oh one tonight to mike. Show so. Mccaffrey mike chopin. Adam i beg your pardon you have Mccaffrey jones and ridley from won tonight. Justin jefferson joining loved. Norian squad that's decay metcalf and dalvand cook and now just the jefferson. they're so pretty electric playmakers on that squad. We'll have to see how that turns out for noriega. Not only is the season goes along but the rest of this draft unfolds. Chris carson off the board to Shane hallam now. This is his number one running back that he selects here. And it is. I'm just looking at the adp. And by the way. When i talk about the p on this show wanna give a shout to daring armani the webmaster fantasy mmo dot com compiles all the great F. fcc data on there if you are playing in the f. fcc and you don't have a subscription and fantasy mojo. You're not doing it the correct way. It is extremely cheap. And you get a lot for your buck there. So make sure you're subscribing there as i go to the adp over the last five days in Invest ball leagues You're looking at chris carson not being selected until running back nineteen At these three. Oh nine hallam Knows he's probably not going to get them in the fourth round so he takes them a three. Oh three there. We'll see How how that unfolds Just see how he feels out the rest of his backfield after taking carson at the three. Oh three wanna take a pause from the live by pick analysis right now and we will go to the phone lines and Take a caller caller in the nine to five you are on the high stakes. Fantasy football hours live coverage of the f. Fcc pros joe's who do we have the pleasure speaking with right now. Hey bobby building museum here from fantasy data how are you billie it is good talking to you This now correct me from wrong. This is your first four a into Into the pros ursus joe's right it is. Yeah it was Very blessed to be selected in here. I'm i'm honored and looking forward to distract pretty much. They got the email from darren so Lot of lot of tough teams in here. A lot of great drafters and and looking forward to seeing how this shakes out. So you knew you were going to have the nine pick. Obviously it's tough to prep for the nine. Pick because there's eight guys before you and nobody knows what anybody's capable of and these drafts. What was your what. Were your thoughts on what you were going to be doing with the nine pick Did you think tire hill was was going to be a possibility there. I mean he was the first receiver off the board So you had your pick of the litter at the position. Why was why did he'll make the most sense for you there. Yeah to my board. When i went into the drafts. We're going to be off the necklace. Tyreek hill I'm a little higher on equity than than a lot of folks are How retiree kill is my number. One wide receiver In my twenty twenty one projections Nothing settle happy. That i was given either of them. I've seen you know pretty much players from the four slot to the false slaughter are interchangeable depending upon people's preferences and and You just never know what's going to happen in drafts kind of the widest range of. Adp that we've seen In in years so You gotta be on your toes. But i'm happy to land Tyreek there who was number two my best spot when you when when you looked at the The other drafters in this league. Because you draft lotta f. Pc leagues to and obviously in the industry. You you understand where a lot of these guys are coming from What what is did you have a certain amount of expectations of knowing what these guys were going to be doing in the stress and knowing which players they were gonna target. I mean how much scouting did you do Against the eleven other players that you were going up against quite a bit and you see some of the drafts that they've done either whether it be mocks or or whether it be f- pc's or whatever. Maybe i'll see you kind of have a little bit of understanding but That's all kinda throws people for a loop. I you said earlier. They're gonna swing for the fences. They're not really going to Hit singles i think where your words and But i i think that it really changed things i expected a really Green dominant board. Which is what we're seeing already That's one of the downfalls of not grabbing one in the first round of i just feel in best ball you can make up later in that position Taking some some later rounds and And then capturing you know the top of the receiver chains and the top of the tide and board especially in these times bringing leaks. Can you can you kind of tell us because you've done. Flimsy done football guys but specifically about the slim because this is the format we have tonight was what are what are some of the mistakes you see people making i mean are they loading up too much up. One position are leaving themselves naked at other physicians. That's really gonna cost them. You have a specific beliefs. You need this many players at this position. This many players disposition In order to maximize your wind potential. What are some of the mistakes that you see drafters making in this type of format. I think the number one mistake that somebody will take three quarterbacks and comparing it to whether a normal format or at twenty eight that they may have been used to in the past Slim format changes back. You're not able to do that. I if you are. You're doing a desperation. I believe. I think i think that's number one And i think from there are two number two air that i see people make is Pushing position off our because you will get people on the board who are smartening. Identify it and we'll select Maybe push push the position a little bit just to you. Know make you lose value so I think you have to build balance while still kinda swing for the fences. But i think the three quarterback selection is the biggest mistake. I knew drafts. billy we We know that you are co hosting the fantasy football fan analysts obviously with Bradley stalled there. You obviously are doing youtube stuff for fantasy. Data's well can you tell us what you're working on right now. What's subscribers fans. What your What what everybody. Who utilizes your data your fantasy data as it were What they can expect coming down the pike here. Yeah we actually have a pretty cool. We're calling the fantasy data Video challenge and we have different analysts from twelve different sides We're gonna be doing a slim format here on the pc. The best ball format Inside tournament and they're going to be hitting video submissions for every single pick. So you're going to get a thirty to forty five second. Blurbs of y analysts chose that pick from round one to round eighteen hundred. I think sixteen or seventeen picks whatever it is and i'm going to swipe it. I'm gonna i'm gonna edit it altogether. So essentially you have an eighty people video That's gonna be time stamp. So people can click on anybody's name and see that analysts talk about that individual stuff that is exciting. That's something that we haven't seen fourteen. That's awesome billy. Listen i wish you the best of luck the rest of the way in this draft. Not only in this draft but in your In all your football guys you're all your f. Fcc leagues as well. We will. Of course all follow you on. Twitter asks s f f muccio and we will Check out at f f f me at f f panelist as well and fantasy data. Nfl three of the twitter handles that are must follow. If you're a fan of billy billy thank you so much calling into good luck the rest of the way. Thank you have a good night. Billy muccio ladies and gentlemen the co co-hosts. I'll fantasy data record co host of the f. f. analyst Podcasts as well as the youtube feed for fantasy data along with bradley they wanna bring out Another caller again right away. Another drafter tonight. Ladies and gentlemen You know him from football guys. Dot com does the audible. Berry does everything. They're really Doing a lot of great stuff. He's a returning champion of this format. A league format from last year pigment bloom. Welcome onto the show man. Oh it's great to be doing this kind of feel like this. The kickoff this draft every year. I look forward to. And i think that it's the most unpredictable. Which makes it the most fun. And it's so like you have your like an og with this like you've been doing it for a long long time. Last year was the year that slipped from a twenty eight round best ball to an eighteen round slim. How difficult transition was that for you. to go up against not only five of your fellow analyst but sticks f. fcc joe's in a completely different format that we've never done in this contest before the old twenty eight round format felt like it gave you a larger margin of air. Everybody had a few players in their back pocket that they had thought they had a good chance to help out. At addition of me you could even trap and build doing that. You could harvest value players. Who could score for you. Some weeks in the twenties and i think that made durability more important because you couldn't do an ideal build you really going to have to count on more players than you used to draft so It just made you tighten up. How do i mean i. And i said this to you when we announce your first round pick and endearing waller at the five spot. I feel like every year in this. You always take a tight end. In the first one it used to be brock. Used to be your guy all the time steering waller this. Why do you always like getting those elite tight ends early. Well the tight end premium up the ceiling. The position and i feel like there's only a few players who are going to give you more than a game or two of feeling tight end score and having that near bill just gives you a much higher pop and range of possibilities. You have to count on yourself hitting a wide receiver or running back later. And i think it's a lot easier to do that. Those positions applied it I joe mixon is a guy that has been at basically polarizing since he entered the league now for a different reason when he entered the league than he is now. Because now it's like there's the joe mix and stands out there. Then there's the joe mixed in haters and this is a guy is probably going to be now in the have the most talent surrounding him right on his nfl team that he's had in his whole career right. It sounds like he's gonna get a huge workload. You get them tonight. At the two zero eight i mean to me that seems like a pretty good value How high would you go for. Joe mixon this year segment. That's probably about as high honestly You know i was just happy to be able to get Expected lean running back. I knew nixon building last year is a little bit scary. But everything in this offense arrows pointing up. We know he's going to get all the opportunity. That's all you can really ask for in best ball in the mid second round. Is those lead backs drying up. And i think the position scares scarcity. He just dictates the you have to come away with these few running back in the first round to give you a chance to hold it down because then you're gonna be taking players that you really kind of have to hold your nose to take it running. Back as you later in your graph. Say one last question here for you. you get chris god when here in the fifth round there the tampa offense obviously looks awesome. We we know how deep the backfield is. They're bringing back antonio brown this season for a full year you have. Oj howard coming back office. Tornadoes is the advice that you would give high stakes players fantasy football players out there like look we. We don't exactly know who the best tampa skill position guys to own fantasy so just try to draft a piece of it or a couple pieces of it because it could prove to be pretty fruitful. Godwin's that bruce arians slot. You really saw the and breezy Get on the same page. This season went on. The offense came together. I think he's going to be the most valuable part of that. Offense and the most consistent part of that offense. So i'm gonna try to take him every time i can in the fifth round. So obviously you do all the great podcasts. All the great work over football guys back com. I the the host of on the couch. Can you tease anything. That you have coming up for the For the listeners and the readers. Yeah you know we are got preseason watchlist coming up from seasonal night you every year where we're going to all thirty teams and just getting are starting understandings training camp As our brains are receptive to everything that we're gonna learn over the next month and i. It's all fun. I will i this year. It feels like More than ever we're welcoming more people into the old and i'm just happy to be part of it. We are happy that you were part of this program tonight segment. We all follow you on twitter. At sigmund bloomed. Good luck the rest of the way. So you just went with robbie anderson now to three street receivers for you It's got a good bill. That looks like you could repeat as your league champion. get into the twenty twenty two f. fcc event as well good luck in twenty twenty one version. Thanks so much for calling him and we really appreciate it. They sigmund bloom. ladies and gentlemen Awesome to talk to him. and formulating. A pretty. good team. Here as well we will. I promise you i promise you. We will get back to the live draft coverage but we have another caller right now from the four one two that i wanna make sure we take four once you're on the ats f. f. o. J. who is this. hey seen how. I'm from pigskin dot com shane. It is good to talk to you. I know so. I listened to The chasing the helmet. Podcast that J. reid and scott connor had About a week or so ago roughly and the cast and it seems like both of you guys showed a pretty mutual respect or the three. You showed a pretty mutual respect You know wondering that. How much value guys. We're going to get in the draft that the other ones were in right but it kinda paid off your in the front end here. Picking third their ace right now. So you're not necessarily stealing your guys. are your each. You know the the players that each you guys are targeting. How do you think your draft is going so far six rounds in. I think it's gone. Well you know. I was really hoping travis. Kelsey would with ball threes and learn. What's sigmund just fed. I i really wanted to get a tight end early. Because it's much tougher later And so for me that that was really kind of kicked off. And then i could. Kinda execute plane gets fouled players. I think i'm gonna position to make a big dent for sure I talked to chris. Carson pick I thought. I guess i thought it was more of a reach until actually looked at the data and the data would say that maybe it was like a half round early. But you know the importance of getting your guys in this draft and thinks for you As long as you've always been in this you will always just gone out and gotten your guys eighty. Pb damned right. I yeah it's important just to get them like especially if they can third. There's such a wide chasm until you pick again so i definitely picked some players know picking carson over swift and dobbins I think he's a little bit more reliable. I think he's more underrated. Picking michael thomas over kevin ridley or justin jefferson. I think there's some more. Offside there michael thomas so it has been a lot of a kind of finding the players like you know within almost almost a full round in and taking that player Because you're going you know. Spend around the half before have to pick again. So i haven't carson's and a really nice situation. Yok seem to want to go back to running the ball more. I mean people have gotten scared off because he gets hurt a little bit or this and that it's best ball When he's on the field he's usually a top twelve running back. He's an rb one and i think that's really really hard to get that consistency at the end You know in the third round where i was picking talking with shane. Hallam here from the fake pigskin Mile sanders this guy. That was some people took it. Is the number one overall pick and now. I'm not being ton. But i did see it done last year. More than once you get in the fourth round here now phillies obviously notorious for having a running back by committee but sanders seems to be the lead guy in any of those other guys. Go down your fourth round pick. Your has has a pretty good ceiling. And i think you draft for stealing more than anything else in the pros vs joes so your mouth sanders pick. How how do you do you feel. I don't agree with what. I was getting Actually don't feel good at all but you know i was looking at My davis who are bender took. I was looking at savante williams to jay and scott and we talked about before too So maybe they did spend a little bit there. I am upside but I didn't expect mile standards to be there. So i'm pretty happy with that because i think what jalen hurts You know when you have a running quarterbacks that really opens up lanes for the running back to run When defense is really have to kind of spy or contain then. I think my is going to actually much better with jalen hurts than he did. Carson wentz helped us always the issue there To you know to swings at running back for me For upside that if they they both stay healthy they're definitely gonna outperformed this adp You know where it took them as well as the ready piece. I'm pretty happy to take that shot in a contest. Like the pros vs shows. You took the first quarter worst tight end off the boards. Just pick the third quarterback off the board in this contest. How important is it chain to be elite at both those positions. I think it gives you an advantage. I have always been a late round quarterback guy. I've gone to the pros vs joes and so i can wait. I can always wait and this year. Really evaluating my process actually prepared muscle west this year. I was always over prepared and this year. But you know i'm gonna. I know my stuff. I'm going to let it kinda come to me and It was a time there in that fifth round. When i felt like there's not a receiver i love is not running back. I love. let me take carbon. murray Even over josh allen. We haven't had a quarterback one repeat in the past decade. So let me take a guy that has qb one overall upside if you get that player You look at last year. Mandel and curves at one. The whole thing got josh allen you get that. Qb one Then you have a really good chance of winning. You're here and that's where i think murray could provide Hudson current real the defending champion of overall champion of this competition with Diplomat mandel from last year. Obviously shane you're in the hsf f. o. r. chat room now. You've probably already saw it. But he asks in there he wants to know why you took no fun or no fan. I beg your pardon as a title nine here at the seven zero three You know. I once again i think if you can kinda firm up that position i think it's gonna make some other teams weaker tight end. I think no offense is probably the most proof. Receiver on the broncos. No matter who their quarterback is. I think he's gonna get a lot of play So i think for the division. I think it's gonna get a nice week week They'll he wants to love a lot of my options in the seven. A lot of the guys. That was considering i think are gonna come back to me and the eighth anyway. So i'm happy to double up on tight end and not really have to worry about it for the rest of the draft while everyone else is trying to you know. Find one or two or three more that they really neat saying i. I know you are a little bit. you have a Disadvantage let's say in this draft because this draft all these other eleven guys are focused. Spend twenty twenty one. You are living in twenty twenty two twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four with a lotta your football analysis. Can you tell the listeners. A little bit about that. I'm into we still have you. You know yeah. I'm still here like i really have been watching a lot of college football basketball lately so It's definitely much different. You know. I have a podcast the debbie marketplace Where we talk about college players drafted some high school players this year so It is a little bit different than You know i. I try not to go to rookie heavy. It gets tough smell. I imagine you'll see me. Take some rookies here. Later in the stress Shame we all follow you on twitter at chain p hallam. We obviously also follow at debbie marketplace. And listen to the podcast as well. Thanks so much. you're calling in good luck. The rest of the way seems like you've got a really good start to a squad here that could bring home a main event so so good luck to you and good luck to all your league. This year frank. Thanks for doing this. I appreciate it. Shane hallam ladies and gentlemen drafting third spots. Tonight we wanna keep things rolling here on the phone lines out to four one five and get their analysis. Who is this live on the high stakes fantasy book. All our boys howard vendor here. It is the robust guy himself. Ladies and gentlemen howard vendor drafting out of the seven spot from fantasy alarm. So i i said this at the top of the broadcast when you take ezekiel elliott with jim. Bowdoin right next to you in your ear poking and telling you to take elliott felt like it did did it really did You know. I mean he. He was like sitting right there. And if i'm gonna talk about you know my pros vs joes draft With jim on the fantasy alarm show tomorrow at least let start off on a positive note for me right. And he can't rip on it you know and he's going to have to look elsewhere. You're planning on adding any other cowboys. The rest of the way but it would certainly make the show. Maybe easier for you less entertaining for the of us Devante adams in the second round. I am definitely on board with aaron rodgers. being there In week one for green bay. I think you are with that selection right. Y- you're i support right now where it's like i mean really i gonna play He's not gonna sit out the year he doesn't want to sit out the year. If they're really not gonna make this move and and send him anywhere. i mean. we're getting so many mixed reports you got all these guys who are saying he's done he's never played for them again. i just heard You know. I'm on green on the football diehard. Show talking about you know the fact that he doesn't think aaron rodgers plays for the packers at this point. You know crapper get off the pop man because I draft to do. And i'm not gonna sit here and let davante adams with through because listen even jordan. Love is the quarterback. There's still speeding. Atoms all the all the targets in that offense So moving on here in. And i wanna talk about your fourth round. Pick in mike davis. So this is a guy that i think A lot of people benefited from when mccaffrey went down and then kind of forgot about he's basically the the guy in atlanta i know there's some alison people out there. But you get a guy. And mike davis who who howard not only looks great but he catches the football and he should get a high volume offense. I guess the thing that i would be concerned with atlanta doesn't seem to be like a a very strong team this year. You think he's still going to get volume running back position if they end up throwing a cow. Pits and kelvin really I you know. I do think he gets enough work. I you know. Listen i get it. You know atlanta's offensive line. Probably could use a little bit of a makeover Their defense as well. But you know what i think. That's what you know. arthur. Smith is doing. I think he's You know she's surprised a lot of people. I think With such a quick ascension through the Through the coaching ranks And getting that coordinator job from tight end coach to coordinator And now all of a sudden he's a head coach you really have to respect the The the game plan that he implemented there in tennessee. And i have to think that as a head coach. She's smart enough to affiliate himself with a a good solid defensive coordinator and really get that plan straight and set away because you do have offensive weapons to compete. Now i think arthur smith the smart enough to shore up that defense and And you know play the game the way he knows it needs to be played talking with howard vendor from the fantasy alarm you can always hear them on the fantasy alarm show on sirius. Xm sports radio howard you draft it in this format. I talked to San about this a little bit. You drafted in this format when it was twenty. Eight rounder with kickers and defenses. Now it's eighteen rounds. No kickers no defenses this easier to prepare for now for years a little bit harder knowing that every pick council a little bit more with you know. Ten selections out the window Yes gets a little tighter there but you know overall. Actually i prefer this. You know it takes away to me. It takes away some of the random ization you know you could sit there and you know. Twenty eight rounder. And you can you can hang out. You know eleven different receivers because you know. How many do you need to really pop off in a given week so it kinda takes away a little bit of that rule that aspect so i prefer this. I prefer the small roster. The tighter game You know it'll just it'll keep everybody on their toes. I think i don't know what's going on. do you ever have matt. I'm right now. I made a live picture earlier when we were talking before. You're like i hope you take some cowboys. So i took michael gallup right there right now. I'm sitting here. You know. I tweeted it out. I mean this is a great great draft room. It really is great. Bunch of guys solid brains on all of them and I tweeted out. I said You know everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth and i mean really Every you know for the first four or five rounds every pick right before me you know or like two picks in front of me all my guy and i was just like damn. I'm like you know playing on the fly right now. It's been It's been entertaining to say the least. Well you end up getting kenyan drake here. Obviously that's another pass catcher to final question for our Playing in the in these in these four minutes before do you end up putting a premium on these pass. Catching running back kenyan. Drake where you're like. You understand like this guy is not probably going to be you know putting the ball twenty twenty five times game. But because most of his pitchers will be catches and obviously the went out and find him and gave him that money and they're talking about using moore's receiver. You gotta put a premium on these pass catching running backs. And that's something that has helped you in the proser joe's and in the past it's getting these pass catching running back in the mid rounds right now like you. Just the ninth. No i haven't had enough success in the pros vs joes Tournaments here and so. I normally go very running back heavy and i don't really buy into these pass catching running backs so i said well damn if that's not working for me. I better shift strategy here a little bit. Maybe taking wide receivers and focusing more on best player available as opposed to the heavy running back plan. I usually doing best ball. So i took a couple of shot here. It took a couple of swings You have to figure you're giving eleven million dollars to kenyan drake eight and a half million of that is guaranteed so you best be getting. Your money's worth here out of him and listen. How many times have we all been josh. Jacobs owner saying. Oh god only throwing the ball. They keep saying you're gonna get more involved in the past attack if this doesn't like since that up for you Kenyan drake is going to be the pass catching running. Back for the raiders You know you're clueless. Yeah you can't you can't help it you're right. I mean like you've done all you can to inform everybody. So i get it. No question. And you will be informing everybody sirius. Xm fantasy sports radio tomorrow afternoon. We follow you on twitter at rutto. Buzzed guy. Congratulations to all the accolades. The fantasy alarmist has been able to acquire over the last several years. Howard i know you are a big part of that. Keep up the great work. We will talk to you again. Real soon man. Thanks for calling in nice for so much. Appreciate you guys. Have me on our vendor ladies and gentlemen the fantasy alarm Wanna bring in the probably the most special guest we will have all night. Tonight he is the co host behind stakes. Fantasy football our joining us for the live analysis of the pros vs joes draft tonight week. Number one micon show. It is my mic honcho. farrell elliott farrell. Welcome to the program. Oh you've gotta love most special lotta designation to have you. That's a that's a thirst for me brother. Hey this is a good looking bored. isn't it. well it's an interesting looking bored And here's the thing. And i think you would agree with me on this A lot of times you well okay when we had the twenty eight round draft With the kickers and defenses. I think the joe's really really dominated that format Then we switched to slim's and i think a lot 'cause all the all the The players the f. e. c. players. That would get into this contest. Played the main event. They played twenty around managed drafts. You know and now you're talking about an eighteen round best ball. I think it level the playing field that a little bit to make the the pros a little bit closer than the joe's it's weird for the uninitiated because he would just assume the pros the ones that dominate this well. That's not always the case in fact most of the time it's joe that's winning whole thing like last year. Read the mandel defending champs. They want Two years i in this. It's really escaping me right now. I know it was joe that wanted to years ago to. I'm have to look that up and find out who it was but you have now. You have an eighteen round draft. And i think that this is level the playing field a little bit for the pros and and You know not only for something that they're more accustomed to but that the joes are even less accustomed to and you see a lot of the players who only do main events and and football guys stuff. Now they're trying to get involved in the slams so they can go out and dominate. And i think we're seeing some of that tonight that's exactly right bulky and the joe's have situation a long history and resume of a lot of play. They're playing more. They're playing earlier in the calendar year. And it shows better feel for the players. You know the the professional guys whether they're writers broadcasters however they make their mark and fantasy football and make great contributions they are basically dealing with your whole fantasy world. Where our joe's or definitely zeroed in on winning the f f pc in all its varied formats. And that's the difference. So you know when that's your purpose of being in fantasy football this to win together. Pc i i think. That explains their dominance over the recent years Danny miller and jeremy roach the twenty nineteen champions for the pros vs joes iv remissed. If i remember. I'd be remiss if i did not remain mention that and then Twenty eighteen every look back in the history of this twenty eighteen was caleb alcorn and sean isaacs joe's again who won the whole thing back then So it is been a a situation where the joe's really have been dominant. We're seeing that again tonight. all right so farrell as you look at the board. I don't know if and we'll get back into the the will pick up the tenth round here After we had a bevy of guests come on which we really appreciate But anything stand out to you. I know we saw a lot of running backs early. We saw darren waller at the one five segment bloom. Talk a little bit about that. Kyle pitch i normally. I'd say i'm surprised but nothing surprises me. Kyle pits anymore. He goes in the third round tonight. The quarterback slip a little bit. We didn't see a second quarterback off the board until the fifth round. And when you stop. Patrick mahomes third but then for golf in the fifth round. I'll stop talking here. What do you think has stood out to you as you look at this draft board immediately impressed me that the first Nine rebounds and ten rounds That i looked at this very very similar to what we're experiencing football guys in the main event so you. I don't see a necessarily see a best ball strategy. Play here is beginning to take form where you're seen double tight ends but but even in the pc main events there remain investor. Slow drafts that are off. You'll see that. So i'm a little bit What kind of bored here you know. Some of the guys that have talked All season long about the concept of We got one of the greatest Proponents of stacking in this drought is our boys. J. reid and scott connor and You know. I don't see that much of it. And maybe they're trying to get it and maybe we'll see more of a developing over the next year round but that's kind of what's surprising me so for getting back into the pick by pick conversation here. I can tell you that ryan lips. Let off the ten. Th round with evan ingram that is his first tight end. We'll see if that's going to be problematic now. It was still tight end. thirteen Spent like he waited till there's twenty tight ends off the board but gets a second tight end in evan. Ingram at the ten one leonard. Fournette is the third running back selected by evan silva that goes with saquon barkley and kareem hunt. Jalen waddell the rookie receiver For the dolphins goes to a dolphins. Fan jeff garin bossy as he gets a waddle as his number five receiver urged. Smith joins tj hopkinson as the tight ends on billy muccio scheme for fantasy data a larger more and other rookie off the board read and connor. That's an interesting pick to adam. Trautmann a guy. I really like. Feral howard bender takes him as his number one tight end at tight end fifteen. I like trautmann this year but maybe not as my number one tight end right. I don't think that he would be my number one tiger in either and i'd like to catch up with the board and see who else's available it looks like our guys from new england Are still available here. And that's where. I would yelling there. Howard he's he's taking He's taking a shot with a player. Here that i have a lot of great respect for and i. I'm proud to see the player in the league. But i remember that. The player is a date and flyer. There's going to be a learning curve. When i can drop the player From the sec. From the big ten That kind of experience in trauma been in the league now. He's no longer rookie. But still that kind of experience that kinda levels where. I'm going to look for. I see a lot more potential. I think that i can count on. Especially in the best ball would put in traveling. There tends to lift heavy. Murray pick after that's guzzi. Lack goes a lock off. The handcuffed there to alvin kamara darnall mooney followed by trevor lawrence. Cover lawrence the number one quarterback for mike read their aj dylan jarvis landry and then justin fields completing the tenth rounds. Let's talk about murray here for a second feral And i think reading connor talk about this on his last chasing the helmet the importance of handcuffing but not necessarily getting your own guy And and i think it's fine in a in a twelve team league. We are just trying to give yourself a chance at the playoffs. But this is not your average. Run of the mill twelve team league because second-place gets nothing and so if if you're going to backup running back sometimes the best way to do it is go after somebody else's Handcuffs right and get their backup running back your thoughts on on doing something like that rather than handcuffing your own running back out and get somebody else's and really get loaded for bear with an extraordinarily explosive team. He is defined role or something. It's not as Precious as a role a ronald jones. Who still on the board there. I think it becomes if you have kamara. And you realize that. Murray even murray thirty one years old is still has stand alone value in that offense and perhaps are drafter here thinks that in the maturation of Jameis winston and the different kinds of sets that both these players kamara and murray. It'll be on the field at the same time. It's not the move i would've made With some of the running back still available there but he can make a fine argument for it. He's got it nice crew of running backs from gaskin james robinson and alvin chimera so you know perhaps He could make that argument But i wouldn't have taken more either. Oh there's your tight yeah exactly in that eleven found right now my goodness lot of going off the board Just real quick Trevor lawrence your number one quarterback. I know it sounds a little crazy quarterback fourteen off the board here tonight for mike read but feral if he is if urban meyer really turned turn into something big in his rookie year any turns out like a top six tux. Top seven fantasy season. I mean all of a sudden this is looking like a really good pick now. There's some risk. We'll talk about mike. Reid steam a little bit later because kyle pisses loan tight end right. Now he's got a lot of rookies actually here on the theme in addition to pits lawrence. He's also got andre harris. He's also got jomar chase. Devante san same devante smith so a lot of youth on this team. I know that much youth is something that i could stomach on this team. But he's certainly going broke. I think perhaps our man. Here's been drafting. a lotta dynasty. Just can't shake the urge. but you know. These guys are Ex- exciting players were dealing with full season schedule here so that we'd be the rookie players you you think in. This group would develop as the season moves on and play better with with the season Along season so. Perhaps yes. I i like. I would like to see what he does a quarterback. I would like to other quarterbacks that link up with Trevor lawrence either schedule Or just whatever philosophy. You can come to put other quarterbacks with him so the stories not told their it'll be interesting to see who he puts with lords. A lot of people were on the chopin crow. Worst team one here. The from the deep end fantasy football podcast but Not loving the the the fields pick so much in fact current even the chatroom says don't like fields in tenth for team one right after stafford needs running back cooling after white-hot start She oto who also has drafted here before in this competition as an f. Fcc joe he says basketball changes it a little bit. But i agree fields as early. Do you think feels those early. Their quarterback fifteen in the tenth round feral. No i don't. He'll probably add a third quarterback. But i don't think fields is early. I have a lot of respect for this player. And if you look into research the research this player and begin to understand what he did Anthem combine what he did with the intelligence test. What he did with His continual coaching Off outside of the team with his individual private coaching. He's working down in In houston. I believe with noted quarterback coach down there. I think what you've got here is a player that's going to be even a better. Nfl player than he was a college player. It's going to come is gonna come quickly so i can understand why fields would be attracted here and dual threat player into the situation. That needs you know ed chicago bulky real world of sobol. These guys need a win real quick. They need this claire to come out and play well early coach general manager. Everyone on this team. he's players. Step up. I don't have a problem with that. Yeah and it's gonna make my boy ellen. Robinson look even better if justice gets on the field early and and makes Makes robinson look like a stud once again all right. Let's get into the eleventh round here. You've kind of cheese earlier with all the running or with the tight ends that went off the board here tony pollard to show and crow whereas followed by ronald jones delib norian. Then you have trail aunts. Who kern reef says he loves. Trae lance in this format trae lance will be backing up cuyler. Murray for shane hallam squad in the three hole. You have david. Johnson going off the board In the at the eleven afford florida migrant then The tight end run begins lake. Darwin sigmund bloom. Johnny smith to mike guzzi. Lack and joe skoza. Jared cook to howard vendor gerald everett to j. reid and scott connor Then matt ryan the hime hines to muccio tear bossy respectively. Michael pittman off the board as the loan. Receiver selected in the eleventh round evans silva got him as number six and then rob gronkowski. Brian lips he goes back to back. Tight ends in end. Grim and rob gronkowski. Do you have a favorite tight end in the eleventh. I mean i know you talked about the new england tight ends earlier. John smith is your favorite tight unselected in the eleventh round No my favorite tied interested in the eleventh round is gerald everett. Ever i would have taken In this is our boys reading connor correct. I would probably take in henry and Hope that ever would work his way back around to me. I don't know I'm surprised in this format that that those players are available and that the competition. Let these guys get them so late. What a great job hunter henry. Excellent downfield catching a ball catching tied in Gerald everett ready to explode. And she and shane helms offense. This is a fantastic opportunity of these guys that In these number digit rams to pick up tight as i say as the board I i really am shocked at michael pittman on the board and you live with around makes me wanna go google and see if anything happened to michael pittman. This is a player that should be going. Musher here as well as Is his associated. Receivers with the colts. peirce gambling ty hilton because it appears that they are still available as i scan the board a lot going on in this round That This is very very good players here now. In hudson kern read is going to be a little bit upset with. When i tell him the trae lance is going to remind him this year trae. Lance is going to remind him this year of one quarterback named case some hill down in new orleans. Because i think that's what's look like with Garoppolo in trae lance in that offense is going to resemble winston and Okay so i. I'm just kinda curious here. Trae lance is was a double digit round pick. He goes as quarterback sixteen. Are you saying that. And just i want to understand. Make sure i'm understanding you correctly Is that i mean. Is that just a waste of a pick in the eleventh round with trae lance represent value to you a little bit later or is he a guy that you would stay away from completely this year and fantasy dressed because of the garoppolo factor that you just Just got you know. Smoke signals from the west coast. Give me indication that they want to ease this player in not as a number one quarterback but as what they've seen in new orleans and they also want to run the ball Four hundred and fifty to five hundred times. They can't those running back health thing. Trae lance will contribute in that way but i think if Garoppolo good and have a role in this office. He wouldn't be on this team at this point. And you know he's not a very celebrated pick by us and fantasy football but he remains with a role With this forty nine team. So i from everything i understand I don't necessarily agree. With how if that is how the niners use them. I don't necessarily agree that that's how they should. But they're going to try it in a different way to win. In that division. You gotta remember bulky. Niners last year was six and ten. you know. so they're trying some new things they're going to bring it all together and I i don't think trae lance Cameron wisconsin kirk cousins. Matt ryan to go later. That's not the case it. I would have made it interesting stuff. All right okay. Farrell good analysis. Let's get into the twelfth round here. Alexander madison or no beg your pardon. Let's get into the Start of the twelfth row. Not the last. Pick ball devante. Parker is going to be going at twelve. Oh wonder ryan lips. Jamal williams and darrell henderson after that williams to the darrell henderson to jeff bossy kirk cousins is the second consecutive quarterback drafted by muccio his quarterbacks now matt ryan and kirk cousins. You mentioned reading connor that you thought maybe hunter henry would be the picking eleven to maybe ever. It would make them twelve well. They got everett in the eleventh and henry and the twelfth. So kind of work. Out the same way just flipping back and forth between the two everett and henry their back to back tight ends for those guys cook and carson wentz Beg your pardon carson. Wentz is the selection for howard bender there as his number two quarterback your corey davis and jd. Mckissick going off the board to guzzi like skoza and bloom respectively. Austin hooper the second tight end drafted here in the twelfth round followed by a rookie. Rahmael more arizona. He goes shane hallam. Russell gauge who we think is going to be the opposite receiver to calvin ridley atlanta love. Norian takes him there. And then you have. Alexander madison the backup to Dalvand cook in minnesota show and A crowd take him there with the final pick of the twelfth round. Feral there was a blurb about jd. Mckissick i thought i thought this is weird. Coming out of the w. f. t. I heard peyton barbara lost weight. Because he's he's taking The the running back job very seriously there because You wants to lose the weight. Be a little bit more spry speedy catch passes and then i heard jd. Mckissick put on weight. Because he doesn't want to be known as the speedy spry guy that catches passes. So everybody's sort of evolving into like a feature back there. I guess that's that's what i'm gathering from that you like mckissick in the twelfth round me caught eighty balls last year but there's a lot more competition this. Yami brown curtis samuel. Obviously there as well I i don't know. I don't know mackenzie can repeat that. Perhaps he doesn't have to for being a twelfth round pick. We love that player last year. We were on the podcast balking. We told everyone to get him in the in the line of affleck's play Yes in this format i like. Jd mckissick. He has a skill set after catching the ball and he proves that he catches most everything thrown in his direction. He was very shifty around the goal. Line russia's inside ten yards. Jd mckissick was hard to bring down. Kinda reminds you a little bit about danny woodhead Players like that that were slippery rather than power runners down Inside the five and ten yard line jaded mckissick. Good football player. The perfect for me for moving on here into the Or no. I didn't want to move on i. I wanted to talk to you about russell. Gauge I never really thought. His value would skyrocket given the presence of how and still Calvin ridley there as well but And the and the fact that he was never really the the quote unquote sexy. Pick right Even when When julio jones would go down nobody was like clamoring like oh my goodness. I'm getting to give whatever. I can to get russell gauge on my team But do you think this year could be a different story for russel gage given that atlanta teams should be passing quite a bit given the fact that Kyle and unproven rookie Even though as talented as he is. I'm just kinda of curious in your thoughts and what you think of russell gauge in swim draft as a twelfth round pick. You know i. I like it. I'm okay with it. I wouldn't have made it because when you when you go through the thirteenth round. Almost every receiver taking their. I like a little better than russell. Just because of the explosive aspect. Not having to put on lineup. There's some interesting things going on there. In atlanta with the receiving core is how they're going to use Jv on hawkins we spoken a little bit and probably too much About the player. Williams was drafted as a core but actually is game some rhapsody slot. Receiver there Actually player out of boise state. I admired as a kick return about pets. What he was going to be able to looks like you're gonna find other ways to put the ball in his hands. So i really would like to see I think russell gays has done what he's going to do for fantasy players last year. Seventy two receptions. Were a quiet. Seventy two receptions. A good player is he makes sense and looking for other spout cans in this drafters lineup. I don't necessarily see them. But i think he's got Is receivers jar jarvis. Landry russell gauge. He's he's bringing in some receivers that are going to catch about seventy balls and they're not gonna be that exciting for and i would like to see some Explosive youth in his receive record in the rest of the way By the way you are listening to the high stakes fantasy football or live coverage of the twenty twenty one f. fcc pros vs joes if you don't normally listen to the show. I can tell you that we broadcast every friday night at ten nine central Live on blog. Talk radio dot com. But you can also get on demand streaming available for listening anytime via if i were dot com apple podcasts spotify amazon music audible. Google podcast amazon. Alexa stitcher tune in speaker on your iphone or android and also Just added to the iheart radio network so exciting stuff there for the hsf. Our we love to have you hop in the chat room going forward on any of our shows that we broadcast during your always. Get a special High stakes fantasy football player on every episode moving on to round thirteen. It is called off the board here at the thirteen over one. That is the second tight end drafted by Deep enders show and crowd worse. Then you have. Ty hilton's who love rishaad bateman back to back rookie receivers. Four shane hallam. He did say it when he called me. And he's like look. Probably be drafting some rookie. Later and i beg your part. It's three straight rookies. Because he wanted me trae. Land to the land more and bateman. We're officially in rookie. Boat for these fake pigskins. Shane hallam devin. Single terry off the board. After that to mike read that is his number five running back followed by a little mini receiver. Run here paris campbell. Who sigmund bloom. Marvin jones to guzzi skoza trae. Kwan smith you howard bender Then you have emmanuel sanders to read and connor. Darren evans philip. Lindsey couple of running backs. They're evans two zero. And lindsey two-tier bossy followed by henry rugs to evan silver. And then eric hebron ryan lips will have his third tight in in round thirteen fair. Would you like i mean you know eighteen rounds. I don't know if you want to have two tight ends three and some people would say and we'll see what chain helen does here in sigma boom after they take ends in the first round. Maybe they all know i They've already backed up there. I'm sorry about that. I'm looking at this wrong. But you will see some teams if they draft the elite tight end. That'll be it for them and say well listen come hell or high water kelsey waller bus from me and my team's dead in the water. Anyway i'd much rather Build up elsewhere. Do you like having what you know. What ryan lips did here. He waits until round ten to draft this first tight end. But then he goes three out of his next four picks using the Picks on tight ends. Do you like that strategy. There for him. I particularly do win. When i ran a do affleck's situation these titans with our one point five points can can produce points in any games especially late in the season. Especially with the young quarterbacks. We gotta illegally go young quarterbacks in the league Gifted tiny it can catch. Balls is the greatest friend for the young quarterbacks. I see nothing wrong with it. I like Our team took gerald everett i. I continue to like what that they're doing. We're in this draft of the thirteenth round You mr silva is in the eleventh position. Is that correct yes correct. He's he's gotta have the biggest smile on his face of anyone is he's waited. He waited on pittman and got him and now he's waited henry rugs and got him and you know henry rugs. It's is going higher in I believe a higher draft position in football guys but in this format. He's more valuable player. So i that's a real steel into thirteen round with the is the second year raider. Yeah i'm i'm just looking at again. The data After over the last five days according to fantasy mojo dot com henry drugs on average wide receiver. Fifty three at the eleven twelve Evan silva gets in as wide receiver sixty two at the thirteenth while. So that's two full rounds values so nice work there By evan silver. And that by the way you look at his roster right now. He's got a lot of talented receivers on that squad you you'd think we talked about rugs and pitman. He's also got hopkins. Amari cooper marquees brown. Dj chart training cooks. I mean there's i mean number. One receivers is that on that squad. That's at least five. Five maybe sixty confident and and certainly will. We'll see what happens with with las vegas this year but that is a lotta targets and once again this is a standard starting lineup for For the fcc quarterback two running backs two receivers a tight end to flexes. So i mean he technically could be flexing out for these receivers each and every week after the The scores are tabulated Let's move on feral and talk a little bit about the The fourteenth round here as it is now completed Having colon Goes to ryan lips. That's his number five running back there anthony. I is the second tight end drafted by evan silva to hunger by low. A backstop joe borough for Gervasio another dolphin there for the corn sins franchise gabriel davis off board billy museum and then zach earth's the third tight undrafted by read and connor looking forward after that it is three straight running backs the new tampa bay buccaneer. Giovanni bernard goes to howard bender joshua kelly goes to guzzi lacking goes then james white to segment bloom. They're the patriots. Pass catching running back. You're seeing mckissick and james white drafted by bloom to out of his last. Three picks pass catching running backs baker. Mayfield we'll back up trevor lawrence for mike read. And then you look at cuba hubbard to shane. Hallam there and by my count. That's four straight rookies that he is drafted Hearst the third tight undrafted by lev norea and then you have romande stevenson. The new the new new england patriots goes to shop and crowd worst At the final pick of the fourteenth round barrow. How do you look at this chargers. Running back situation obviously not clear I think what what was the status like an najah harris are like the only two running backs being drafted And i don't know what the what the drop off was but it's basically them and then you gotta wait forever for another charter or another steeler running back to get selected. What do you make up of the the backup situation behind equa because he wants down last year and trying to figure that out was kind of a mess. You like kelly. I mean justin. Jackson gonna make the team that there's other guys too as as we look at the chargers backfield behind cler i with the rookie was selected. There's going to be one odd man out between the rookie and knows that. I can't recalls name on the tip of my tongue but you put kelly and jj into that mix now. Kelly had a wonderful camp really turned some heads last year. But it's still too early to determine if he's going to be the backup running back. He's the guy that i'm going to bet on. He had issues with ball. Security last year hurt his confidence a little bit hurt the confidence that the team had in him and some of the trust but i think is a very very good ball player and he did a lot without a traditional training camp for pre season last year. So i'm betting on kelly here. I don't believe he had to be drafted this early. I think he would have gotten more value some other players and you would wait on josh. But you know what If if he likes kelly. As much as i do. I can understand. You're asking me. And i would have preferred had james white. They went right behind orgy over. Went right in front of him. Because those two guys are going to have tremendous roles with You know with their respective teams coming up to shoot that rookie. Running back from the chargers that was on the tip of your tongue was larry roundtree. No surprised hallam was one presenting that in the chat room as maybe you wishing about drafting him to. Maybe you still have them. I don't know. I probably sorry. We should be talking about players not drafted yet but we are anyway Everybody knows that they're doing here. Jalen evenings off your yeah exactly. That's that's my point. Jalen rigor The the first selection of fifteenth round to show and chryslers defenders take jalen rigor as their number six white daniel jones backing up dak prescott for lebanon brian edwards. Finally not a rookie for shane. Hallam although is a young second-year player pencil breakout like brian edwards. In las vegas. This year i do. I don't see the defined row or the the opportunity for him. Like i see for rugs especially with kenyan drake fair but ever is very good football player and he will have games in this format especially in the red zone. He's an excellent talk After he goes his real life teammate. Derek carr goes and that is third quarterback drafted by mike. Read out of the four spot here. In the fifteenth round williams fitzpatrick goes to sigmund bloom. Here in these fifteen that is going be backing up time. yeah. Tom brady Already has brady. He gets fitzpatrick as backup cold. Beasley off the boards. Guzzi lack skoza followed by terrorists marshall the carolina panther to howard bender nelson aguilar to read and connor. Here at this fifteen away then we have a backup seattle running back rishaad penny going to busy data dot com. Billy muccio tennis well after that. Who gervasio another rookie. Running back sam. Darnold follow by tariq coin to complete the fifteenth round darnold silva cohen to lips farrell. Kenneth gain well. We talked a little bit about this. With with chaim hallam about his mile sanders selection in the fourth round. How he did. I said he should feel good about that. Considering where the draft capital you had to invest in mile standards last year and now. He's getting them here. At the end of the fourth round almost a fifth round. I saw should feel pretty good about that value. He didn't feel great about it. And and that's maybe more of an indictment on sanders but You know you have gained. Well their carry on johnson. Also there as well How are you treating the eagles backfield right now. I mean is is sanders and investment for you in the fourth round or would you get somebody else later just stay away in general i drafted sanders early But i've been away from it lately. I am warming up to the idea of Giving jalen hurts a shot on the roster. Our beloved bobby sangram is in my ear. Every day about jalen hurts. And i think bobby's right about a lot of things and he may be right about hurts. And i've i've paid a lot of attention to this players training and and i've been impressed with her. So there's where. I think the ball's going to go both in the air on the ground So if i end up with any any other eagles it's likely to be hurt. And maybe the tight end dallas older somewhere along the way. I don't know about you. But i'm looking at these a couple of teams here. I think it's just too. Yes two teams right. Now that three quarterbacks and they're back to back the number fourteen. Mike reid number five teams stigma blooms from football. Guys dot com lawrence. Mayfield car for read brady fitzpatrick rothlisburger for blue farrell eighteen rounds in your investing you know essentially a sixth of your picks into a position where you can only play one per week. Is that overkill. I i think i'd be going one or two quarterbacks. I don't think i could bring myself to drafting. But now we see loved norian and also get a third quarterback here to maybe. I'm missing the boat. Maybe the way to do. It is a third quarterback if you are indeed waiting until round eight or round ten to take your first one like boom and read it. I'm gonna get three guys in this format with the people that do it. I want them to make a case for doing it. I want them to tell me right. Now which games they're gonna start. Which quarterback i one of my favorite periods of quarterback is Carson winston and ryan fitzpatrick was another excellent pairing. His back pressed god in the car I if they can make a case for why they're putting those quarterbacks together I like it even better. The brady fitzpatrick rothlisberger trio How many how. Many years total of quarterbacks is that. i think. That's that's pretty cool. Can you get you get a hundred and twenty years out of that. I thought you might be able to I liked Sometimes too if they're the right to and they link up perfectly in schedule I think you're in a really good situation These The western division of the. Afc that after they'd have to play the redskins this year might give me some Might make me want to stay away from some of those guys. They're going a little earlier. I don't know just a thought that. Yeah if i if. I'm gonna get three. Quarterbacks is because they make perfect sense on the week week i. I'm already sitting here trying to predict which one's going to be my leading score. We but we yeah. And and i mean i guess you you don't have to necessarily worry about starting them in this format but you do still gonna kind of project. The the matchups a little bit in the schedule. Which is what we have access to right now. Moving on into the sixteenth round lottery supervisory receiver heavy round serving shepherd ryan lifts for shod paramount. Evan silva john brown at the sixteen o three to jeff tear bossy devante booker wanna talk a little bit about him in a second here billy muccio. Then you have Christian kurkin marcus. Robinson going to read and connor and howard bender respectively daryl williams one of the backup chiefs running backs the guy. I've drafting a lot of actually to my own detriment. Maybe but it makes me feel better than talented guy like mike uzi. Lack is drafting him. In the sixteenth. Round ben rothlisberger Mentioned him to sigmund gloom. That's his third quarterback allen lazard to mike reid. Jv and hawkins the rookie running back In atlanta going to shane jalan followed by deshaun watson and van jefferson the complete the sixteenth brown devante booker. Saquon barkley We talked about this earlier in the show was was was not really talking. A whole lot about was avoiding questions about how his niyaz when he's gonna be ready what he's going to be doing when training camp starts when he's going to get on the field. The giants already previously to this that. They're gonna ease back in they don't really have a deep roster in the running back Room behind barkley but devante booker there. We know it can catch passes. I don't know i. I think i should be targeting devante booker in my late Like billy bush tape there because that that could prove to be pretty worth well even if it's only for like a month i was pleased with play raiders displays contribution to the raiders last year and carry ball is one hundred twenty eight hundred thirty times good yards good yards per carry and the team. That was a little difficult to get. Yeah i'm i'm all with booker here. If you don't trust barclay i see barclay in a lot of our dress going later and later in that first round if you don't trust barclay This is how you steal someone else's handcuff and Yeah that makes perfect sense to me. joe care of us by the way i think that's a grand pick in that round. He needed receiver and he got one that may turn out and has been predicted about one of the guest on our high stakes. Fantasy show may turn out to be leading raider receiver. so i. it's a terrific pick there. Yeah i'm kind of with you on that It it's it's hard for me to disagree I mentioned the daryl williams thing And she is a player that I drafted in a few spots. And i'm wondering like am i doing wrong because you know. Obviously you want to get the back behind Quite edwards allaire in kansas city. Because of how high powered that offense is but at the same time. I guess the more i think about it. Is there that guy you know. I don't know if he is or not. You have Darwin thomson there. Be jerk mckinnon. They signed him you. I'm maguire's there right now. I i think he could be one of those players this year And i i shouldn't even say this out loud because i'm not gonna wanna hear that that everybody thinks is going to be the guy and then they just end up doing like you know an exchange of two or three guys back there you know with mcguire mccain and williams or whoever you think williams's the guy. If that words allaire was the was the go down. There's going to be part of a committee. No i think you're having buyer's remorse and it's perfect time for you have buyer's remorse as you prepare to make your trip for drafting season to kentucky. Now let me tell you. All right We went through a situation last year with with with the c. h. he he's in a situation where A lot of people consider that they wasted a first round draft. Pick on him. And then i don't. I don't feel that he had a player here. That had a hundred and eighty one carries costume balls show some explosives explosiveness but that production was compromised when through the front office Coach in the formidable coach. Andy reid is. He had to compromise season but putting levy on bell on the field. I don't believe that's going to happen again. He's not going to compromise the ages performance again. This year i we talked about it. I think this past podcast that we have friday night. This office will support in the league type in the league. Wide receiver a quarterback that can hit every receiver. And that's not for fantasy purposes just for his football purposes as who's third target is an one dynamic running back c h a better year. The other guys are just complimentary pieces that are not fantasy valley. The draft sharks defenders Mike chopin adam crowd whereas leadoff round seventeen. The hilton it. Round here of our Pros joe's coverage tonight moe alley cox Goes there then you have jacoby myers and nico collins so you have a guy that was a big time waiver pickup last year followed by a guy who is gaining steam and going up draft boards this year's rookie in nico collins. He goes to shane hallam here. Oj howard is gonna go to mike reid as his number two Beg your pardon number three tight end there to go kyle. Pits and austin hooper Then we have a couple of lines. Receivers going back with that. Tyrel williams to sigmund bloom on rossing browns. You mike cousy lack and joe skoza the rookie quarterback for the jets zach. Wilson is the third quarterback drafted by howard bender. He has justin. Herbert carson wentz. And now zac. Wilson byron pringle to read and connor jamison crowder to muzo. Then you're looking at j. P. ryan to gesture bossy Cam newton these third quarterback. Evan silva and then. Aj green sir ryan lives. I guess i gotta take back. What i said about three quarterbacks farrell now we have one two three four. I seen with three quarterback. So i guess i didn't know what i was talking about and by the way. That's only twenty nine quarterbacks drafted. They're still technically three starting quarterback out there. Well no there's now we have a six team that just selected their third quarterback and that is quarterback number thirty. So technically they're still two starters out there all right so we look back around seventeen. There's a buzz about nico collins in the In the block radio chat room right now talking about how many dynasty shares. Shane hallam has meco collins. I current reef saying he's garbage points gold because they're going to be down in every game And i'm kind of with. I was you know. We got the kentucky Rookie draft going on right now. I've been targeting nico count. I've always been getting him. But i like this player this year. Not just for dynasty pharaoh but for redress to eighteenth round magic. He's going in some of the same areas as receivers with question marks and opportunities by drake one smith Collins is a casting freak We shall see I if the if the ball can be delivered to him now. If you believe that watson's going to play quarterback how great for great opportunity. This is so it's still to be determined. But yeah you could do a lot worse things than columns here and who's our after That took williams. That took Daryl williams or tyrel williams tearaways. Terrell williams of sigmund blew my friend Congratulations sigma bloom. Now there's a man with a good long memory. Last six games at cairo williams was on a football field converted a touchdown in each of those games. You miss last year. He's ready to come back with a vengeance. And i think this is a this is an excellent player To be basically ignore ignored in in many of our drafts. And what a great player for this format minutes. That's a pick that i think could score six or eight times across the season for you. the draft is complete With mr element being the browns who shop and crowd worse. We'll get to the eighteenth round and a little bit but one other player as long as we're talking about flyer wide receivers here in the seventeenth round. And by the way there was a bunch of them picked jacoby myers in new england. You think he's going to be the number one receiver there this year because it seems like The buzz Over the last. I don't know month and a half. You don't really hear a whole lot. About new england. Receivers except for jacoby myers and he could be the number one guy there you subscribing to that theory absolutely not. I think he's a limited ballplayer. Think we've seen the best play out of and Nelson aguilar will get a lot of targets. We'll see if nelson can catch them doesn't necessarily holland is what makes all the tough ones and doesn't make the easy ones but with the tide in centric offense what they're going to do with james white jacoby myers is is just a a relative You you used to refer to tidy and that was a green bay and moved onto philadelphia's a catch it and fall down player. I kinda think that's how myers is as wide. Receiver is not a player to get excited about. I don't support you in this for man. Hey i'll tell you this. Tory hope turned a hall of fame career out of catching it and falling down which kept him and kept him on the field. So it can work tori holtz in the hall of fame right or am i making that up. I know i yeah. I think that's maybe not so sure. Well okay in any of probably. Probably i'm sure he has. Yeah maybe gave. The isaac bruce Induction speech i have no idea Okay so the acs brown. Let's get to this year. Darrell johnson to ryan lifts quarter. I'll patterson to evans silva to complete his draft. Cj zoema to jeff tear abbassi. It's his third tight end. Marquez eldest gatling debilitate muzio. Dwayne eschede to Read and connor then denzel men's the jets receiver. That's kinda fallen out of favor. I guess based on the latest reports. They're our vendor. Goes with the jets stack and i know. He's adjusts jets fan. He gets back wilson and denzel mims as his final two selections tastes them hill goes through might and guzzi. Lack and joe goes a tyler. Conklin the tight end From where is he with jack minnesota. that's probably what. Yeah minnesota's kind of conklin. Yes thank you sammy. Watkins is Mike resulting schultz. The third presidents elected by shane. Helen and then a pair of receivers ended daria slayton to norian. And the i'm brown to mike show and adam kroger's talk a little bit of the jets backfield here pharaoh high johnson's There's been a couple of positive reports about positive reports but just saying that he's been getting some run or he did get some run with the number ones there. is is that. Is that backfield a mess or is it. Michael carter there. I you know i. I'm gonna stop myself right. Now you're gonna say. Tevin coleman is the guy own right. I'm gonna say they've coleman and carter two players if you believe in either one you should own them. Both i believe in devon coleman just like the Coaching staff does. There's no dust settle them free agency when they signed that player. That should tell you something. They familiarity about it and you can go You can go to youtube. Punching kevin coleman seeing and catch the ball and run run past and around players doesn't necessarily run through players but he's got a wiggle and escape ability and he doesn't get hit much. He's perfect zone blocking scheme that they're going to utilize their Kevin on be all right and carter was an excellent college player. Big yards per carry of unbelievable. Almost eight yards per carry seven point seven seven point eight. There's no reason not to like that player in this format. Having both of them would be fantastic. 'cause our draft or have both of them are just want He Well well you know what's interesting here is ryan lips has kevin coleman and then he gets tied johnson laid but he does not have michael. Carter michael carter went to howard vendor who Again lakes. he's a jets fan. And now he's got three jets on his team Wilson carter and all on that squad very interesting stuff there. But yeah i mean i think you look at you. Talk about a coleman carter stack barrel. It's it's a pretty affordable one that can get in this format having coleman fifteen o seven running back fifty six michael carter in this format running back thirty seven hundred and we're not gonna draft capital that you that you have to invest And especially when you consider it being best ball you don't have to worry about starting which guy and which week whenever they grew this bats well crew the stats for you so i think that there is something to be said for that cheap. Stacks all about cheap stacks One of the things that i like doing this show or you know this coverage on this show when we switched to the slim. Yeah we do the twenty round draft. That's all finding good. And it's it's you know and and it's really a to go through that deep of a dive but it does not always give us a lot of time to do team by team analysis. Well now the slim's we can do that. And i want to go through that right now here with you farrell and just get your thoughts on each team The in fact. You know what i'm gonna do now. I can't i'll maybe i can't do that. I'm gonna see if i can tweet it out Right now The if you go to at eric false man right now Because the the the youtube is obviously cut off because we can't fit all the the picks on there. I'm going to tweet out the draft or the final draft poured For the pros vs joes competition for league number one and you can go there and look at the the full. The full board And then You'll be able to look at it and give your honest analysis here so i'm just gonna go through this. The tweet is out there right now. i'm gonna give my analysis on on the Defenders here depend fantasy football. Podcast hosted my show and And adam crowd worst here. The quarterback matthew stafford and justin fields be running backs or christian. Mccaffrey aaron jones tony pollard. Alexander madison reminder. Stevenson receivers are calvin ridley julio jones cooper cup. Jerry judy mike williams jalen reagan. Van jefferson brown. Tight end tyler. Higby co commit bo alley cox fairly. I i listen. I'm a packers fan. But i think justin feels is going to have a great season this year. So i really liked the quarterbacks here obviously the pairing of Mccaffrey and jones is awesome. But i do kind of agree with the btr chat. They left themselves a little bit naked at running back here To getting pollard as their number three in the eleventh receivers are really fantastic And i liked coal. Committed to take a step forward this year. We're getting some buzz and molly cox a little bit. I think tyler. He's gonna have a great season so if they can keep the running back corps relatively healthy. This is gonna be a tough team to beat. Yeah they're very very light at running back and they could have done things differently with pollard in madison you seven. I like both those players but not on the same team. Receivers are very very good. I think this team is is You know is in the upper quarter perhaps but Their lack of running back up going likely end up hurting moving on to lead norian team the f. f. p. c. joe drafting out of these second spots quarterbacks dak prescott daniel jones shawn watson running backs taliban cook josh jacobs. Trae sermon regime ozturk ronald jones. Receivers decay metcalf. Justin jefferson jarvis landry russell gauge ty hilton jacoby myers area. Slayton tight ends are logan. Thomas robertson and hayden. Hearse fairly look at a quarterback's here. And my goodness prescott and lost in fact that oh Daniel jones there as well. Which i mean you may not even need him. If prescott watson are performing up to stuff They get the san francisco. Backfield essentially or lebanon gets his san francisco. Backfield here with sermon. And most you already have Cooking jacobs as the top two running backs. They're I i guess. I'm not a huge fan of the receivers. But i don't have to be a huge fan of the receivers in this format because it's best ball. I like logan. Thomas robert tanya. I don't know about the hayden. Hearst pick but i think this is a very competitive teams here that we see built out of the to spot. I like that hating her. Speak a great deal on a For reasons we talked about and everybody knows that we think it's going to be in the slot. And i it's going to be out there with you The running back is forty. Niners sensational Pity to put those two guys together and you said ronald jones is understand. Yes sir yeah. So there's there's my running back from down at tampa young running back to push the thousand dollars last year. I don't believe that team's gonna forget what he contributed. I i very much like this team. I would i would like to have. I would like to have this team. That's their quarterback comes back. What a great situation. They're going to be yeah. Shane jalan kinda echoing your thoughts feral in the chat room right now. He's better watson plays. That team can be scary No question like that squad built by lev nori and the f. fcc high stakes player there Chain how we talked to him earlier in the broadcast from fake pigskin dot com You are looking at tyler. Murray and trae lances as quarterbacks. Chris carson miles standards james connor. Aj dylan tuba hubbard. Jamie hawkins at running back the receivers. Michael thomas renton you will fuller rondo more rashad bateman ryan edwards and nico collins and then the titans travis kelsey. Naw fan and dalton schultz. Obviously the titans are awesome. I know you don't like the trae lance pick kyla murray can cover a lot of that up The receivers there's a bunch of them. But i mean there's young. It's tough to project guys like rondell more rashad bateman nico collins when their rookies and then the running backs they don't you know nobody. I don't think there's an anchor. There i know chain would probably chris carson would be anchor and i could see how that could work out. I don't really envision him staying healthy over seventeen game season and then you have mile sanders. That could be part of running back by committee so if he hits on the running backs and and and You know one of those rookie. Receivers this yeah. This could be a competitive team. But i think there's some holes here holes not even kelsey collar marino a fan patch. I like what he did with rondo. More rondo more. We'll find his place with this team. And we're dealing with seventeen weeks season. Correct your bulky. So we're in a good situation around no more to emerge. He's going to have to get a great deal from kelsey and kelsey and fan are gonna have to score foreign every single week. he Actually shane in the in the chat room. said it's not sexy on paper with two tight ends. But i like my team stacked murray connor and rondell lance and lance with brandon. Are you so there is some stacking. There could come into play sometimes tacky stacking cans debut for sure especially if you're moving my and that is a joke ladies and gentlemen Mike reid is up next in these. Four spot here trevor lawrence baker mayfield and derek carr at quarterback derrick henry. Dodge a harris chase edmund. David johnson devon single terry at running back. Receivers are mike evans. Tamar chase devante. Smith curtis samuel miko hartman allen lazard and. Sammy watkins tight end. Kyle pits austin hooper and oj howard farrell for this squad as the rookies go. So does mike reid. I mean harris hits Jumar chase devante smith You're you're looking at a lot of rookies on this squad and not back into the draft rookies. Like we saw was chain hallam. These are front under the draft. Rookies tomorrow number two receiver. the aren't they. smith is number three receiver najah. Harrison's number two running back caltex number one tight end so. He's obviously counting on the rookie class. Now these guys are talented. But i sometimes. I feel like you can take too much of a risk Unnecessary arrest and. I don't know if mike reid needed to go as young as he did Certainly it's got the talent to to do it. We'll we'll be production match the talent near one I'm not sold. You didn't have to do that but he probably got on a roll and he's probably the guys that he's been studying and he felt comfortable with them and i can't come i you can't complain about the talent level of these players so he's in a situation with the do that like what he did it. The tight end situation. I'll say it again. 'cause this is going to be First one since ditka so it gets it gets pretty nice to get to one thousand yards receiving. So i it's gonna be it's gonna be wonderful. I think that He's going to have a very exciting team. He's going to have a thrill Watching this team and you know he may be like We're sitting at the kentucky derby and here comes a horse along the rail That has a straight run to the finish line. 'cause he may finish very very strong and like the kentucky derby there's only one winner in this draft to and if if if this happens with my greed with all these rookies he could be said winter we will see sigmund bloom from football guys dot com cool to talk to him earlier in the program. His quarterback tom brady ryan fitzpatrick and ben rothlisberger. The running backs are joe mixing. Jk dobbins gus edwards jd mckissick and james white running wide receivers robert woods chris godwin robbie anderson howard boy darnold mooney paris campbell's jairo williams heidegger. Darren waller blake. Darwin tyler conklin. Feral sigmund blue won his league in this strapped last year. And i think this draft as we look at it. We see how he did it. We see why he did. He clearly has the chops to succeed in this league. I think during our money from fantasy mojo has him ranked as the number one pros joe's player of all time. I don't eat. I look at this. Yeah i guess. The the running backs aren't greats. But i mean mixing could be on the snap on the field for eighty percent of the snaps. This year he locks up the ravens backfield with dobbins and edwards gets a pass catching running backs and mckissick. James white late. The receivers are deep and good. The titans are very good. Obviously waller leading the way there and brady fitzpatrick and rothlisberger. I i guess. I i really can't pick out a significant whole significant thing that's really gonna hamstring this team value in every pick and when you have eighteen players and you gotta score ten. You've got ten scores here every week. You can't put these guys on the field and not get production. All of them are going to produce them thirty. He's gonna ask some magical weeks. Especially or what i expect from waller i waller was what the ford player in this thing tonight fifth. He was number five. This one in this thing you know. Yeah i expect waller to have a year than last year. We still haven't seen the best that he has to offer it going to be fantastic. This is a great draft for this boy. Yeah i agree. I think they move. Did a great job tonight for sure. over to my guzzi. Like an goes as whole hummers and goose eggs franchise. They were drafting and number six tonight. ryan tannehill. Jalen hurts and tastes of hill. Are the quarterbacks alvin kamara miles gaskin james robinson latavius murray joshua kelly and daryl williams running back receivers. Aj brown allen robinson. Kenny golladay core davis marvin jones beasley almond rasping brown. And then the tight ends. George biddle in jonah smith all right so this is another squad that i like. I think that you know. I pay some whatever that's fine but the combo. Hannah hill hurts. Boy i really liked that. That is going to be really really good to help him for every single week. The and he locks up the saints backfield. He gets james robinson who again i know they got travesty. Tm but robinson still going to factor For a lot of smashed in the backfield pharaoh. I know you like miles gaskin. You look at those top three receivers. Kenny golladay no stranger to the trainers room. But he's the number three there and then you get potential number. One receivers in corey davis and I guess you could say on ross brown late. I don't think he'll be the number one but there's a non zero chance of it happening. Sarah williams you have late to as as getting a piece of the chiefs backfield Whether he's the backup or not. If edwards allaire goes down and you could get some good weeks out of daryl williams so this is another team You know only too tight ends. But they're killing johnny smith. I i think that's going to be fine that yeah these fine italian. I absolutely loved what he did. Receivers i thought there was some players on the board that could have helped him sixteen seventeen eighteen a little better. That's just me Yeah it's very very good team we don't like to take some hill picks but You know he wanted three. Quarterbacks human got you like winston for that position right in new orleans nine yes sir Some he'll do a workmanlike job last year when given the opportunity Jameis winston dome for five thousand yards in this league. He's not gonna be consistent like drew brees and going to have to work differently to be successful but Yeah i got a coach that knows how to coast in those preparing offensive game. Plan is going to be nice to watch. James wants and who dr mike luzzi like One winston went undrafted in this era. Only thirty listen only thirty quarterbacks selected tonight so we are looking at two missing. Starting quarterbacks i don't know who the other one was. We'll get the We'll get the Chat room in on that to see if they can find the other houston quarterback. We're watching watching got draft okay. You're counting wasn't there okay. Yeah i mean. I'm i'm calling him. I just don't know who the other one was Who's the mike. Cousy like in a chatroom right now. Saying hill was his regret. Pick from this draught. And i'll tell you this if hill if your last pick of the draft you regret that one. That's fine if you get the other things you could regret the all you want. It doesn't matter at all. So congratulations to Micalizzi like on that Regret pick in the eighteenth round now. Ours is gone through that now. That is a fantasy football team. Name right there. Feral howard bender from fantasy alarm dot com was picking seventh tonight. He gets just herbert carson wentz and zach wilson as his quarterback the running. Back ezekiel elliott. Mike davis michael. Carter kenyan drake giovanni bernard receivers davante adams even beg your pardon keenan allen adam feeling michael gallup trick one smith. Terrace marshall demarcus robinson. Denzel mems tight ends. or adam. trautmann. And jared cook now. I guess if i'm going to Pick a weakness here. I'm gonna stay the tightening He waited until round ten draft. His first one. He got the fifteenth. One off the board. He goes right to it getting jared cook in the eleventh round. But i don't know if that's enough. You're i mean you've got you gotta have some really good production has a position. And that's all you're going to have all season. I don't know if that's going to be enough to get it done now. We'll say this. I think eliot is in for a bounceback season. I think people are sleeping on. Mike davis i. I like micheal. Carter in the seven to get pass catching running. Back kenyan drake in the ninth and then another one. Giovanni bernardo in the fourteenth. I think you could have done a lot worse. And then there's some upside with some of these picks right terrorists marshall your client smith michael gallup. Even michael gal could be a thousand yard receiver that he's getting in round eight so i think there's a lot to light to with our vendors draft. I think it'd be had to do it over. I might have gone tight end earlier. He wanted to go tiny chinese earlier and he would have tried to Find the third. One which i believe which i really believe was out there. Probably cincinnati tidy ended. I'm high on some of the we're we're in a you know howard was on being interviewed when i joined the show tonight. And and howard work had debate me about his roster. I would lose. Because he's well and he's well-planned he knows what he's doing and he can tell by listening killing that he's got a real A real fever for sassy football and loves to play so he he knows the player. Yeah he got trapped a little bit there taibbi when you're he's got the Got the young kid of dayton still to be determined what that player does and he's got a thirty four year old with the chargers who i think will do well but we'll see sometimes To the kid. Karn amount Shane hallam Pointing out in the chat room right now farrell. There was no detroit. Quarterback drafted jared goff didn't get selected in this and also heavy bridgewater and drew lock. Neither one of those players selected no broncos quarterback. They'll lie No lions quarterback in this dress. Which should mean right that we're are no no. That's it right you're supposed to. I think yeah just those two okay perfect well. We got cracked that case wide open. Let's move on to say reading. Scott connor steam and the eighth Position tonight josh. Allen and russell. Wilson quarterback They start off with four straight running back and then they never touched the position again. Awesome macadear quite edwards the andrea swift and devante williams the receivers. There's a lot of them. Chase klay pool with discus chenault antonio brown lodger more emmanuel sanders nelson aguilar christian. Kirk byron pringle and dwayne average tight. End gerald everett hunter henry and zakar. It's now i'm assuming. And i don't know this because i i have been doing this show tonight. I'm assuming that they probably stream this this pros vs joes Or at least in a podcast that they'll be putting out later. And i would love the here. Their thought process here because i think it's pretty clear with the strategy was right for them. Get the volume in the touches early with all the running backs. Get a couple of quarterbacks pollen the hell outta receivers right beat because it's it's about ball and then they ended up waiting to get Waiting anti-dam but then they made sure they got three of them in everett henry and earth. This to me is a tough team to rates. But i think it's a very exciting team and i. i think it's sort of a wild card of this draft because of how dominant it could be in the backfield. Not just with running back but with quarterback It it's just the receivers and the titans has to come together. And i guess if you get enough of them farrell. It could come together and this team could be pretty good a loved what they did it in and they gambled they waited and they were awarded. Immensely and zakar will eventually find a home wherever that may be. And it'll be pretty exciting. You know any team with klay pool on balki is is it his favorite of mine. I think these guys. I think playing in this event means a very very great deal. These guys they thought this out. I don't know you know. I'll pick on them for picking pringle. They had better choices out there. All in all of this very very good team. I agree we hear this team could win it. Every i think i I forgot about working at misspoke earlier. But in the shane waldron offense ever just going to be fantastic. And i think these guys May have known it. Even before i knew it. But it's It's a wonderful pick two things in this format that you can get these titans where they got a great job. Moving on here is we are coming up on the final. Ten minutes of the programs and billy muccio talked to him earlier as well from fantasy. Data dot com and the fantasy. Football panelists Podcast you have Matt ryan and kirk cousins as his quarterback Running back then tonio gibson travis. Atn's zach mosque aaronson evans rashad penny and devante booker. Receivers tyreek hill terry. Mclaren odell beckham. Juju smith schuster deebo. Samuel gabriel davis james and crowder marquette zelda stanley hide on artesia hopkinson and herbs smith. Now this is sort of like the opposite of the team that was right next to him right in read and connor because while he's pretty strong and very deep at receiver and and t- tight tight ends and high really like hockey bit this year and irv smith is backup. I think that's salad. But then you have matt ryan kirk cousins. Who i i remember correctly. I think those are my top. Two quarterbacks scott fishbowl this year so obviously. I like those quarterbacks And then you look at the backfield antonio gibson he a monster this year. Ecn you're not really sure what he's going to be. Get some as the twenty fifth running back off the board and the best around but then zach. Mom there into evans probably only worthwhile. If there goes down rishaad penny only worthwhile. Chris carson goes down and maybe not even then and then you get devante booker. Which i think. There's something to be said for that but this is sort of the opposite. You're you're looking at dominant with the past catchers but the backfield maybe leaves a little bit to be desired bosio steam. Yeah and then. The guy's tried to catch up with it too late and i would have liked it better. Say it stayed with their original plan and then picked up some guys that they knew they could occasionally get points from such as james white but Yeah these are some very good Very good receivers. That they've got a like. I like what they're doing. They're the running back situation. Just got away from. Yeah i think so too But that's not say. It's a bad team because i i think this is a a still a very competitive team. And we'll be following a billy announces when he puts that out And you can check out the links to that at f- f muccio on twitter. Jeff bossy the corn spins Franchise here from the ten spot. Joe borough and by lower our his quarterbacks the running backs nick chubb damian harris. Neom hines daryl henderson. Philip lindsey kenneth game while small j. p. ryan receivers to fund dig. Cd land dj. More t higgins jalen waddell. John brown dallas goddard. Mike the sticky and cj zoema so. This is another team to where. I love the tight end. I think the wide receivers are very very good And then he went with the with the running back lottery. Tickets late right. I don't think hines Certainly a lottery ticket. Because he's going to passes. He's going to do what he does. But henderson lindsey gain. Well p right. All those guys will need injuries In order to to factor and now that could work out because it's not like mixing or sanders or johnson acres. It's not like those guys have to go down with a season ending injury even if they missed two or three games. That's still significant for these running backs and outside of his pop to he didn't use a draft pick higher than round of around eleven on to get any of these guys so i like what he did there And then the quarterbacks and job. I i don't know i loa. I've gone back and forth on him. But i do like joe borough quite a bit this year so good effort here and a good pro good production That we're gonna see how gervasi from ten whole. I agree and i love the to appear to your book. This is the only kind of game that i want to have to. And he's putting together with the opposite type of young quarterbacks so he's got two young quarterbacks they're playing for teams that are going to have to be explosive two with his feet borough as we talked about this last night they gotta get some wins and he's going to be throwing that ball all throughout Those contests cincinnati bengals. You know bengals running into baltimore twice as when to have to step up for jeff. But i like this team. I liked the fact that he uh he stacked dolphins and he has the seki. We always warm at that. I would like to have the second. He caught sixty balls last year at the tight end position. You just never know when l. is going to catch him. I think he might catch more this year. But it will still be a radic and inconsistent and but jeff. We'll take advantage of that. This established the run dot com co founder evans. Silva was picking eleven. Tonight he gets lamar jackson. Sam darnold and cam newton as his quarterbacks he gets saquon barkley. Kareem hunt leonard. Fournette jamal williams as his running backs. the receivers the andrea hopkins. Mari cooper marquees brown. Dj chart brandin cooks. Michael pittman henry rugs. I'd perriman quarter. Will patterson on then mark andrews and anthony perks at tight end there. We talked about how he killed it with receivers really like that. I think the quarterbacks you did a bang up job there to getting Both jacks all. Three of jackson darnold newton fee along. Newton hangs onto that starting job So i think that's something to be a little bit concerned with their off. I and interesting guy. I don't know if the if the preseason Hype is going to carry over into the regular season but certainly silva has his finger on that mark andrews. I think he's gonna be solid. Honestly you get the stacking. They're not only lamar jackson. Mark andrus but marquees brown on this team as well so a lot of ravens there he gets barclay to fall into his laughing at eleven In barclays healthy certainly That is going to be a steel there but the story of this team and where it will live and die is all these receivers and certainly a lot more likely to live and die with that lineup. This this draft is contributed to fancy football in so many ways and he knows what he's doing and has an idea of what he wants to accomplish. I love what he did with drugs. I loved what pipleine. I you talk about the hype for the first year We hear a lot about it. And i'm a little bit amazed that an undersized taibbi n Who runs a four nine. Five is getting this kind of attention fantasy football when there's other guys that That that aren't but Nevertheless we'll see what tennessee does with him and Yeah i would have liked to have a little more tiny Final two team. We're gonna look at tonight as the f. fcc main event. Joe ryan lips and he was the first one to take a quarterback tonight he gets patching homes to go with aaron rodgers The co- call the state farm signal. Callers i guess the running back. Jonathan taylor cam acres david. Montgomery melvin. gordon. Kevin coleman to re cohen and anti johnson of running backs there. The receivers deontay. Johnson's tyler lockett court. Lund's sutton devante parker sterling shepherd and aj green tight end rob gronkowski and eric ebro so farrell. He is obviously elite at quarterback. Even if aaron rodgers does not play which let's face it you're going to The the running backs to really good taylor acres. Montgomery even gordon to people are really discounting gordon with all that devante williams love and i and i get it maybe will be the the the starter there. The guy's gonna touch the ball the most. But that doesn't mean melvin. Gordon's going away. So i think he's solidly four deep at running back and maybe even deeper than that. We consider coleman and cohen deontay johnston power lock. Gordon good trio receiver. I think parker's okay and then obviously drops off the shepherd green so maybe a little bit of a question mark there but i think we're this team you know how good it can be is going to be determined by the tight. End play because anger rob gronkowski and airfield about when they're all at the peak of their powers. Yeah they're awesome. But how often are they gonna do that this year now. He only has to start one week obviously in his best ball format But i i don't know i think that might be the weakness on this game here. I think it is too gronk will have those games from week to week. That can save that position this to me with the excess italian. But i'm not gonna. I'm not gonna blame on this. Tidy installation pay. Perhaps as much as you are balking. This is the absolute perfect collection of best ball players. Every one of those sterling shepard shepard at the last game of the year a tremendous performance last year and they caught eleven balls. It's a situation where every one of these type players has. That breakout opportunity. I i love this team. And i think he picked up players value just because the football guys for matt or our main event for matt at some of these players are out of favor and i think they're going to deliver for him and then you know hit the stars align right This could be your team You are my co host and you did a great job tonight fair. I wanna thank you for hopping aboard. Remember to everybody check. Okay if the best seat dot com and And make sure that you're jumping in the main event there It's going to be a great time whether you're drafting online. At home or in cincinnati or louisville look forward to it. And i look forward to talking with you again tomorrow for another two hours a little bit. We'll do an hour later. We'll do it at nine. Eight central tomorrow But two hours and another great Pros vs joes draft lined up. I can't wait for it. Thanks for hopping aboard tonight man. You live a barrel elliott the commissioner kentucky fantasy football state championship joining us tonight. All right that is going to do it for our episode tonight. I wanna think during our money the f. fcc our producer a mutual friend rob audio engineer. and my best friend bryce and of course all of our listeners. Thanks to billy moves. The segment bloom shane. Hallam and howard bender all for joining the program tonight tomorrow it is the shake and bake lead number two. We'll do an hour later. Like i just said tomorrow night. Nine eight central the joe's j. flake mike stenhouse key and amy palmer. Jason on and aaron laser Robert trends brad. Petri and darren larsen. We'll all be on the show or the joe's and then for the pros. You're looking at jeremy. Browne jason petropolis rich rebar ryan. Drake dwayne mcfarland michael. The only and scott bear it registered for the inaugural ball tournaments today at my f. Fcc dot com dynasty started for the football guys players championship going strong ever. You're getting one dollars off every additional main event. You have that you'll get on your today. Main event early bird The main events early draft laws and expires in eight days. Forget about dot com. You're another episode of the high stakes. Fantasy football hour presented by my f- f- pc dot com. It was broadcast live and heard around the world bulky and pharaoh. we'll be back next week with more analysis interviews then advice from guess much martyr than they are. Thanks for listening. And we'll talk with you next week What thing. I should clarify to and maybe i will in in tomorrow's fcc email that is is going to go there are actually seven pros vs joes leagues And may i said this Not only get started early on the broadcast. But they're seven pros jobs. We only cover six of them live because of the seven. Th league was one that we added last year. That is a slow draft. And we're not. We're not going to give you weeks upon weeks coverage Chris coverage of a slow draft so There's still will be a prize awarded for that of three main events team but we will not be covering that life. We have five drafts. Left to go for pros. Joe is this was a great start excited for a lot. More drafting action excited to be here. Right here Be right here with you listening and talking with us and and figuring out the mystery that is twenty twenty one fantasy football season. Thanks for listening everybody farrell. Now talk with you tomorrow.

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