5 Burst results for "Mclaren Honda"
"mclaren honda" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Perhaps you'd expect a driver being paid handsomely to defend their team to the hills, but you know, if you look at McLaren three, four years ago, you say, well, the reason they can't win is because a wind tunnel is an up to spec. So that's why they're getting their brand new shyly one online for 2024. But we know that him will facility at Sauber is amazing, all those LMP1 cars at a designer and then go on to blitz circuit Della Sartre and all of that, it's a cracked facility, but they're not, yeah, and as you mentioned they're not operating at the cost cap. So some of that means they're slow with parts so they can design something pretty mega but then can't construct it, can't get it on both cars. But also if you're not operating at cost cap, you know, this is why the arguments for breaking the cost cap with the allegations at Red Bull are so strong because there is performance to be gained there. So if you think Alfred have taken it or sailboats, we should probably start referring to taking that decent step forward. They're now midfield contenders, which is no mean feat, considering that car would not do two or three laps without going bang in pre season testing, but now a bona FIDE midfield contender with some more investment with the more loving playing field of the cost cap. So again, if they keep on investing, they would expect them to start to begin to catch up. So if I could use a poor analogy, I'm an Aston Villa fan Martin and we've just signed a new manager in Unai Emery, and it's not about going and winning the Premier League in the next three seasons. It's about being the best of the rest, which I think is the next target for that Sauber operation that we did sign of the chassis. And then it's about what they can do when they're running well. They probably the Audi side is probably been through a couple of team leaders to find the right one and then you start investing together to build incremental gains with the engine and whatever. And then in their words, take on or be the best German manufacturer in what was that awful they did something like the rings of the new stars or something which basically means move over Mercedes. And I think when they probably put that out what they're anticipating is beating Mercedes at the top rather than thinking Mercedes have regressed to where they are now. Okay, look, let's take a quick break and when we come back we'll talk about how it might work from a team versus engine perspective, many teams do split those two bases and successfully in some cases and will have a look to what they could be doing over the next three years to ensure that they have the best drivers from 2026 to take on that three year plan of getting to the front of the grid. Those are stories are on the way. Okay, let's talk a little bit about Matt, your opinion on how it might work. Audi have their obviously their base in Germany, their motor sport base. But as you've mentioned already, actually, the henville facility, the wind tunnel there, which has been around a long time now, but I gather has been updated and is still used very much as a source of revenue. As a business line to rent out. And it's still very if not cutting edge is still very, very good. One of the best in the world. Many teams do split. So the world champions, Honda and Red Bull, Red Bull powertrains based here in the UK and Milton Keynes. And then some of the, I think the stuff that Honda are very, very good at. They would say the combustion engine side is still done in Japan. Also split, Renault, Alpine. If you like France and perhaps less successfully, you could say lots of teams split engine and team and some have it all under one roof. I know the Christian Horner recently has been using that phrase that Red Bull power trains and Red Bull is able to build a car and an engine under one roof. I think it was an interview with Fred. A Ted sorry when he went to his house over the break and he was talking a lot about Red Bull powertrains. It was interesting that he was making that and sort of before the re loving with Honda. I guess, but what's your opinion on how it could shake out? Because it's not like Audi are going to buy their way into Sauber. Close down their base, which is not the biggest, but nothing to be ashamed of and move it all to Germany. So they're going to have to split it, not a million miles apart physically. How do you think it's going to shake out? Well, the one Barrett that would be the enormous cost and two if in rising does retain this small percentage. He'll say that that doesn't happen. But I think it's an interesting discussion, isn't it? Because then where do you draw the line? So, you know, like you talk about Red Bull being based in the UK and Honda in Japan. But what about Mercedes with the engine being done at brixworth and end up being an hour's drive to the chassis in brackley? What about even Red Bull when they go with their Red Bull powertrains online? Well, they're still separated by a factory rule in Adrian newey. It might be masterminding the design of the car, but he's not over same engine. Look at auto sport, we have the distinct magazine and the website. Has that necessarily changed from when we always used to be in the office together to now us communicating on Zoom and Microsoft Teams and other online software since pandemic not necessarily. So I don't really buy that as a barrier. I can see why it might be a handy excuse or whatever, you know, you think of maybe a better way to look at it rather than sort of the physical locations getting bogged down and that is the philosophy to use a really grandiose term. The concept that the approach, but that's why the McLaren Honda partnerships fell apart so much because one was had Mercedes sorry, because McLaren had designed this what it thought was a class leading better than anyway. I was size zero Coke bottle shaped package. The Honda engine barely could fit in. And so because it was basically crowbar in there, it was getting too hot and kept going bang all the time. So you can add these two class leading organizations, but unless they integrate well, it's not going to happen. So that's when you would say Sauber is still Sauber engineer is and there will still have this minority ownership and stuff. But effectively, if they're all using Audi headed letter paper, you'd expect them to run with the same approach and therefore they can integrate well and be harmonious. So I don't see it being a major issue. And in terms of Audi, bigwigs or the marketing department with the ideally wanting all in Germany, yeah, I get that, but does it really matter? I mean, it is the same way so I was speaking to someone and I'm sure people can take an educated potshot who it was, but someone very high up in the Porsche 9 one 9 program. I said, well,
"mclaren honda" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"I think the heart chooses bell off and maybe their heads, the rationale that says, well, logically, Brundle did do more ACTIV, but honestly, this was one of this was one of the hardest combinations are completely well, let's put it this way. I'm completely unsurprised that Stefan has got me all the way around. Oh, I've got to agree with you about something, haven't I? I mean, we're three in. I can't just be like, yeah, I agree. Yeah. Fair enough. I will give you, I will give you the chance to disagree on the next two, because again, that the next two are really close. So I'll give those two together and we can debate them as they come in in 5th and 6th place. In 6th place, his terrible years were 89 to 90. He started 23 times. He wouldn't win, but he would get two podiums. He is Jean a lazy in 6th and 5th on the list, two stints, 81 to 83 and 89. He would start a lot of races 46 races for tyrrell and he would get two wins. So now we're talking about a tyrol winner. And he'd get four podiums. He is Michele albareto. All right, Kev. How are these two close? We're talking about a double winner for the team, and John a lazy who only got two podiums, but these are close. Yeah, they are close. I don't think there is for me, they're not as close as beloved Brundle. I think it actually is a little bit of a hardened head situation again. When he came in, remember, obviously, fourth place on his Grand Prix debut. Phoenix 1990, you can't talk about a lacy tour without talking about that. The fight with Senna, when Senna went past and naively left a tyrol's width on his left hand side, going to the next left hander and Lacey field it. And send her out to pass him again. It was a great fighting feisty drive. And he made a really big impact. It was part of tyrol's last hurrah. I don't think a Lacey's entirely should entirely be credited with that. Harvey postel to the O one 8 O one 9 chassis were good cars. They'd already Alberto himself in his few races in 89 had already shown that O one 8 was a good car. It was a great talent when he came in, but I think it was a perfect car really. Really agile, great car to throw around. You can see him working, not the most powerful car but it's just something that a young feisty rookie could really attack with. And it made for some great. It did micro some great television at times and great watching. As you say, Alberto in the end, they're quite similar in that they're both inexperienced when they come in. They both ultimately blow away their teammates, our brethren had a not great first season against Eddie Cheever, I'd suggest you perhaps had a perhaps a tougher benchmark than a Lacey did. But then he was quicker than Brian Henson and Danny Sullivan after that. Now, I did look at the super times as well, which is the royal pace. And the tier was in 1883 with 3% and 4.5% off the pace. Whereas the 1992 was only 1.7%. A lot closer. Now, the caveat to that is obviously we're in the turbo here in the 80s, where they turn the work up in qualifying. And the normally aspirated cars were more competitive in the races. It's very difficult to compare the two, but ultimately our brito is the guy that he schooled two wins. They well taken wins the one in Caesar's palace in particular was done on. It was done on performance, he was a little bit more fortunate perhaps a year later for his second win in Detroit. But he got more podiums more wins. He started more races and they both made mistakes. Alicia's kind of the fever option, but I think Alberto just delivered a little bit more. So that's why he's a terrible winner. Although I would perhaps suggest that a Lacey and ever look better than when he was in a tyrol. Just tell us it was a really great stat you gave us at the beginning of that piece that Jean lazy scored points. Of course, the old point structure as well, not down to tenth place on his F one debut. Where did he come into Formula One from and how highly rated was John laser? F 3000 champion in 1989. He was a common guy. I think probably in 89 90 he was probably the guy that everyone would have said, this driver is a future world champion. Obviously, a year or so later, said Mark Schumacher rocked up and everyone. Schumacher was just a much more complete driver of the lace. I think probably even Jean would accept that. Unless you just had a typical sort of rookie season or rookie season after some brilliant brilliant performances, actually Monza, Monza 1990 summed it up quite nicely, I was watching it early on. Bolsters two starts because as you remember that's the race, so don't worry if that horrendous crash coming out of parabolic on both starts for a 5th on the grid. He jumps past large amounts as Ferrari and then does a number on Alain Prost on the first lap to run third and actually he's all over the McLaren hondas as well. And he does it both times, but then on the second thing he second time well, going on to that 5 coming up behind burger. He just drops it and throws it into the gravel and it's game over. He scores 13 points in his first full Grand Prix of 1990 and doesn't score any more points. Whereas if you look at Alberto in 82, he's consistently backing out. It's not just that win. He backs it up with quite a few other good scores and podiums and things like that. So it's just, I think it's just a more consistent and more solid performance from albareto than a Lacey. But alas, it was great to have him on the grid in that car. It was great to watch. I've been patiently waiting. Before he had to say, but I see what I see what he's saying, but I disagree. You say it's the thing isn't it where it's the fever and the raw talent and the speed and the excitement versus consistent results point scoring. That kind of thing. I mean, I think it's interesting because I agree with Kevin the sense of the both very similar when they sort of join tyrol. You know, it's their first seasons in Formula One. I mean, what I would say is about Alberto in he joins in 1981 and he doesn't score any points. And Eddie Cheever is his teammate and has some F one experience. But it's not a lot. I mean, he did a full season with a seller and basically he, I think he finished one race and the rest were either retirements or he didn't qualify. So it's not like he's going up against a team at who has a vast amount of experience. But in 81, chief of scores ten points. So clearly the car at that point has an ability to get in the point scoring positions. Fast forward nearly ten years and you've got a Lacey coming in in 89. Points on his debut in France and then there is another two further points finishes that year for the remainder of the season. So he's coming to Formula One and he's made his mark. I think the most telling thing though is that in 89 Alberto actually rejoins tyrol for a few races. And scores two points finishes. He actually gets a podium in Mexico. So obviously he'd already spent the time with tyrrell before and the 5 years with Ferrari where he got several wins and came close to winning the championship.
"mclaren honda" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"You know, forget the first stint in 1980, but when he arrived in 84, he was part of that building process and I feel like he, together with Barnard and Ron and again, you know, I think he was a key part of putting the building blocks in place for the future, which then center benefited from in some ways. I feel like, you know, in terms of his contribution to McLaren crossed over his period of time there had a bigger impact into making the cloud and great, which I think was for me the determining factor. It's a really hard one because you're absolutely right. If you look at 91, for example, very few other drivers would have won that championship in a McLeod. I think Senna won their championship despite not having the best car. And, you know, the great you could count to that with prostitute the same in 86. So it is a really it is a difficult one, I think, to split the difference. I sort of flip flop, but it ultimately, to me, I just feel like in terms of the long-term success of McLaren cross made a bigger contribution in terms of putting the foundations in place. I think that the strong case for that, I would say though in sort of evidence defense, there are two occasions where I think he's quite key well, actually you could say generally, he's a Honda man, right? So he kind of was really into engines and the Honda guys warned her and in fact to the point where I think Alan feels that he was probably sometimes a bit hard done by because of that strength for that relationship. So in 91, I completely agree with you, but it wasn't just the driving in the car, you know, he pushed really hard to make sure McLaren and Honda were pushing and that Hungarian Grand Prix pole position lap. And I think he even said it himself, this is because of the work we've done. It's not just send a special. He brought the point where McLaren Honda had actually responded to William dren in 1991. Everyone remembers that as being, oh, we'll say they've got those points on the board early and then Williams were faster, but actually McLaren did strike back and was a big part of that. And also remember they got their rear diffuser wrong on the 1990 car and had to do quite a lot of work on that. And I think it carried them a bit through that situation as well. To argue against myself, I'd rather doubt that I'd rather doubt that committing only in a race by race basis in 1993, rocking up on the Thursday and demanding a million quid a race. I think that probably didn't do an awful lot of good for McLaren's development or continuity. So I think it's always the end of his time there when he was even when he was delivering on track. He was when he was trying to worm his way into a William's seat in 92 and three. That probably didn't help McLaren. But yeah, as you said, you can argue either way. I think my favorite is Prost, but I still struggling to get away from it and being the number one in this list. What do you think then, Alex, do you have not, you've been very, very neutral so far. So where were you at? Fortunately, I was already deciding in my head that I was going to be so bold as to become judge in this argument. And I have to say having heard both of your positions. I think I would go with karoon. I think I would swap them around and have Prost ahead of center for two reasons. One, the building up into the McLaren CP team and the work that he did then. And also because we've argued that Fernando Alonso isn't in this list for being a destabilizing influence of having a negative impact on the team and Senna has that name and I'm sure there are. There is that as well with frost in terms of the collisions and the fact that it boiled over at times. But just for those two reasons, I'd swap them around. And as you know, I'd like to annoy you. Well, no, to be honest, I was thinking I've been, so in the Ferrari one, I was argued out of Kim your argument was on my list and argued out in favor of Jacky ickx, which again I'm very happy about that on a personal note. I'm certainly not going to be too upset about Alan bean coming out ahead of ahead of it. And I probably wouldn't sort them around if I rewriting it, but I'm perfectly happy with the outcome of your decision. I respect your position. Well, you've got the opportunity to if you're going to rewrite it for having Niki lauder had Lewis Hamilton. Well, we need to give it a while. Let's see, let's give it two or three years and see if Lando Norris can get some obviously he signed up for a million years now with McLaren, isn't it? That's just been recently announced. So, you know, from a car and can keep coming and bring all their facilities together and he can start winning races and world championships. Maybe he'll force a rewrite of the feature anyway. Indeed, indeed, well, thank you very much. That's our podcast for today. Thank you, Kev. Thank you, karoon. Now if that animal scores, thank you to the listeners for listening along, but just before we do go, karuna's written the cover feature that will be leading auto sport magazine. I don't know when exactly the podcast will be released, but it's.
"mclaren honda" Discussed on Past Gas
"Not part of the quote. Microdosing. What is a race car asking ourselves constantly? What does speed even mean? I wonder if there's engineers racing engineers that have dabbled with psychedelics to try to 100%. But it's sad though because racing is a very buttoned up kind of sport where you probably want to hear that sort of stuff be talked about too much. I had to take a drug test to work in NASCAR last week. Yeah, but this is the 80s. 100% of these people are doing Coke. That's so weird that you had to take a drug test. I know. Newly portal is focused into designing the march Judd 8 8 one. He said the rival turbocharged cars had far more power, saw philosophy was concentrate on aerodynamics as the prime design principle. The result was a revolutionary car that became one of newey's favorite designs of all time. Driven by Ivan capelli and Mauricio Google that's the name that starts sexy and in nerdy, huh? Yeah. Driven by Ivan capelli and Mauricio, Google man, the 8 8 one took the race world by storm and changed the direction of F one design forever. The car was aggressively modeled with multiple never before seen features as knew he noted. It was the first raised nose car. The first with properly sculpted front and rear wing end plates and then a fusel was quite advanced. Making it far more aerodynamically efficient than say the McLaren Honda MP4 slash four. And it competed against that year. Wow. March head Ian Phillips said, Adriana arrived with a colon in his hand that blew everyone away. Because it was near half the size of anything else. Half the time, we didn't know where it was. Well, I remember when monoco there we were about to start and it was like, where's the car? Where's the car? And I moved my suitcase in there it was. Hidden by my suitcase. If we ever meet any English driver that we've ever mentioned on this podcast, they're going to hate us. No, they're going to say. Let me shake your hand. You spot all. Even though the 8 8 one didn't bring much a championship that year, it was a seminal moment in terms of aerodynamics becoming the key to F one car performance. Phillips went on to say, the more chain a one was years ahead of its time and I regret a team wasn't good enough to deliver Adrian. As March officially became Leighton house in 1989, knew he was promoted to technical director, but things didn't go well the following year. Their new car, the CG 8 9 one failed to score a point. That season. It performed well in the wind tunnel, but was unpredictable on track. Financial tension was also brewing. And so despite having the hottest designer in the sport, both physically and otherwise, Leighton house fired nuy in the summer of 1990. Nui's first major chapter in F one had come to an end. But he was just getting started. Well, now I want to hear the next section. While you're in luck, Joe. 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All right, so Adrian's out of a job. But this time, though, Nui wasn't printing out resumes. He was a hot commodity with interest from multiple teams. And while they're currently struggling to keep up in F one, throughout the 1980s and 90s, Williams was a perennial powerhouse of the sport. Williams technical director Patrick head always admired Nui. And so an Adrian left march had quickly signed him as Williams chief designer. With more money and better drivers, the two quickly became the dominant design partnership of the decade. I just realized that if your name is Patrick, you could go by pat or Rick. Or trick. Trick. Trick head. Sounds like a basis for a new metal band that toured with corn. The trick is a sick name. Yeah, crazy town. They add shifty shellshock and trick head. If you said that to me, I would believe you. You're damn right, you would. By mid season 1991, Nui's FW 14 chassis proved to be a vast improvement from the previous year. But reliability issues and the dominance of Ayrton Senna prevented Williams team driver Nigel Mansell from claiming the championship. In 1992, though, that changed mantle took the driver's crown and Nui secured his first constructors title. In 93, new east cars won again. This time with Alan Prost Manning the wickedly fast, FW 15 C the wickedly fast for more on those legendary F one seasons. Check out our series on Senna. On top of these stellar victories Nui was settling into the role as a father and husband. In his biography, he describes the period before the 1994 season as one of the best times of his life. He describes the time before he got married and had a kid as the best time of his life. No, no, no. On top of this stellar victory. So is that the same time? He likes his lights his family. And his garage family is winning two years to that. I'm sorry, James. It's okay. Do you want to go camping? Soon? Yeah. Cool. Yeah..
"mclaren honda" Discussed on Formula 1 Grid Talk Podcast
"That some once he's going Merger back he can he can get the maximum performance alviti colleagues and as we saw an allowance race seeking to for his life is going to be a bubble difficult around the strategy defense from from cows. We'll see why does Respect for the shares High previously was from his lost in myth one Because he's just a driver drive earns around for a couple more years gets a chance some of winning races gang collecting more on a show about or your voice. It's always been close years komo just show ever since. He won his second thailand. Two thousand and six at it the same barragan. It's not going to be the share. It could be a yeah. He's gonna record san diego just about building for twenty twenty two which is teams against. I'll take i can get this year while star the the the thick vowel with like off enough to mind as where they are. So yeah. we'll see the other thing. Yeah for all right. I'm thinking of the great weekends to no things will be much better track for them But we'll see you never know what he's done well here in the past system while here when he when he drove false scindia lonzo despite a winning some really good results without some incredible moments. Think being out seven four year in awful mclaren honda when had no rights anywhere near a bus so fat player that guy. he can really But team that. I think could be in for good weekend this weekend. Aaron is alpha towery. Now the slip down to sit in the constructors. They got a honda power unit in the back of the car. Gaza usually to this quite well. Here i think you sonoda. Even though we struggled the season i think. There's chuckle sudanese. High-speed scott runoff. The cam makes mistakes and yet it kony's let's just say so. I think he's got plenty of those busted. Yeah i think he has reminds me of saute the way he but some of the same as kind of uber flamboyant and it was crashing every over. The weekend was always something crazy gang and he's very very similar to that did he. Did he pick up the win to.