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1900, McKinley vs. Bryan: The Rise and Fall of Empires
"It's eighteen ninety four in Cleveland. Ohio immigrants from Poland or gathered at the only Polish Roman Catholic Church in the city. Mass has just begun but two young men still linger in the hallway. Brother we late hurry. What's the point Baalbek? We must pray. Pray to God. We must pray for our jobs back up until recently vol deck and his brother worked at the NEWBURGH. Wire Mills was grueling. Work Long Ten hour days earned the brothers just eight dollars a week days ago. The Polish workers at the mill went on strike for better wages when the strike was broken. All of them including the two brothers were fired during the strike. I prayed and God did not answer me. Then Pravda dot say such things I did as the pre said I prayed. God did not help us. The panic of eighteen ninety three has hit the country hard but no one feels the pain of the economic depression more than the immigrants of the working class for polls like Volvach and his brother losing their jobs as catastrophic most turned to the church for hope but some are turning to other places must have faith little brother. No I must have proof the day we were fired. I went and bought myself a Polish Bible. I've now read it four or five times. We've been deceived. Priests have kept back what it says. What are you saying? I'm saying we've been lied to. And why would they do that? Why would they lie to us? So we keep paying them part of our meager wages. The pre-trade is the same as the shoemaker's or any other. How can you say such things because my eyes have been opened the truth? Now it's been shown to me. He pulls out a Red Book and hands it to chill runs down snack when he sees a picture of a devil on his coverage. And what is this? It's called the free thinker. I've learned so much from the anarchists and they're not as bad as the papers say. I have been reading their pamphlets attending their meetings. You should to all work Shit Leon. You're scaring me. No I'm not scaring the truth. I speak might be but you must not be scared of the truth all deck. I am not if anything the truth is given me courage. Give me the desire to learn more. I'm going to a meeting tonight. You should join me. Waldeck soon began attending anarchist's meetings with brotherly on the two consumed all they could read. Riyan then took things one step further. He began seeking out leaders of the anarchist movement. Such as the radical activists Emma Goldman the anarchist call for fundamental economic and political change. But for Leon Chagas. The change would not come fast enough. After the election of one thousand nine hundred he would take matters into his own hands with the squeeze trigger he would forever change the course of American history I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked game In eighteen ninety seven America was emerging from the worst economic crisis. The country had ever seen the election of eighteen. Ninety six ushered in a new era of prosperity for the country. President Mckinley follow through with his campaign. Promise of a full dinner Pail for every American families again had food on their tables but for many it wasn't enough. The masses were growing tired of prosperity. Not being shared by all the end of the nineteenth century was a period defined by change innovation and expansion. The very idea of America was growing for the first time. The United States expanded from her continental borders to become an American empire but the price of American imperialism was a war with fading Spanish Empire and further American expansion in the Philippines saw America on the wrong side of a battle for independence. Election of nineteen hundred would celebrate American exceptionalism and set the stage for massive economic and political reforms election would usher in a new progressive era. You will give rise to a new political hero and ultimately caused the downfall of another. This is episode twenty nine nineteen hundred McKinley versus Brian. The rise and fall empires February fifteenth eighteen ninety eight aboard a US battleship in Havana. Captain Charles e sixty sits in his quarters writing a letter home as he writes Marine Bugler. Newton plays taps to signal lights out to the sailors captains. Sixty lays down his pen and listened to the beautiful strains his ship. The main arrived in Havana weeks ago when the Cuban war of independence began three years before. Spain launched a brutal campaign to squash. The rebellion. American sympathies are with the Cuban insurgents the US Maine has been sent to both protect American interests and to check the tyranny of Spain as the buglers finishes captain. Sixty completes his letter before he can stuff it into the envelope. Electric Lights in the cabin. Go out for the captain. There is nothing but blackness and smoke. The ship is listing to the portside captain. Sixty gropes his way through the cabin into the passageway where he runs into Marine Corps. Private William Anthony Captain. The ship is sinking. I know private. We must get topside the to make their way to the main deck black smoke plumes from the ship. What's the time private time sir? I need to know when we struck explosion took place at nine Forty Sur. Les Centuries around the ship are we under attack. Sir We must assume that we are a war. Private things have been tense between America and Spain. United States has been supporting the Cuban revolutionaries summary to make a new territory of the United States. Spain considers the presence of the American Navy A THREAT TO THEIR INTERESTS. Sixty saw the writing on the wall. Now they're under attack place. Those centuries I need is on the water I captain. The captain surveys. The damage. One of the smokestacks lies in the water on the starboard side. The ship is sinking rapidly. His manner tending to the wounded choking on the smoke from a massive fire burning mid ship. Captains six no report of any ships but with all the smoke is really hard all those men to keep watch for now. We must get those fires out. Flood the forward compartment. The compartment already underwater. Captain There's nothing more to be done here. That their captain men overboard get boats in the water now. Most of the boats are badly damaged. And what we have. We must say those men sailors jump into the remaining boats throw through the smoke over dark water. They rescue who they can fire on board becomes fiercer. Suddenly the spare ammunition that had been stowed in the pilot house ignites. The boats are back. The wounded on board Sir. I don't believe we should if anything should join them in the boats while this ship is still above water. We will not abandon her a captain. The fires reached afford magazine. Told you get those fires out. It's hopeless sir. And if that magazine exploded will kill us. Whole must bannon ship captains sixty s reluctant to leave. His ship must think of the lives of his crew abandoned ship by the time the ship was evacuated. The main had sunk low enough that the deck was almost level with the lifeboats as his custom. Captain Sixty was the last to leave as they rowed ashore. The captain surveyed the bodies of his men floating in the water. Two hundred sixty eight men over two thirds of his crew were dead the Bugler Newton who captain sixty had listened to just a half hour before was among them. Taps was the last song he ever played on March second. Eighteen ninety seven two days before his inauguration. Republican president-elect William McKinley had been invited to the White House by outgoing Democratic President Grover Cleveland. They're Cleveland warned McKinley about the expansionist agenda of many in Congress in his inaugural address. Mckinley had declared we want no wars of conquest. We must avoid the temptation of territorial aggression. War should never be entered upon until every agency of peace has failed but the sinking of the main would force a reluctant McKinley to wage. Exactly what? He cautioned against a war of conquest while. Mckinley hoped to avoid war. Many Americans have been chomping at the bit for conflict. European countries like England and France were aggressively expanding their empires in Africa and Asia the Dominant Naval Power in the Americas the Spanish empire had been on the decline smelling blood in the water American speculators salivating at the prospect of Spain abandoning its imperial conquests. Trade routes mineral deposits and fertile land. Were all up for grabs. If Spain retreated from the region many speculators had set their sights on the neighboring island of Cuba. The fertile island was perfect. For growing fruit sugarcane tobacco many had hoped that a Cuban revolution would free the country from the Spanish Empire but the revolution had not been going well. The Cubans had demanded independence. Spain aggressively countered the rebellion the Spanish crown launched a scorched earth campaign burning homes and crops and rounding up the freedom fighters in concentration camps. This inhumane treatment of the rebels allowed American speculators to voice moral rage an advocate for war. Then the pro war element of the American press gave voice to that outrage and the expansionists and Congress began to beat the drums of war yet. Outgoing president Cleveland and incoming President Mckinley and both been unwilling to get blood on their hands during the campaign of eighteen. Ninety six Theodore Roosevelt had set of McKinley. He is not a strong man. I should feel rather uneasy about him in a serious crisis. Do Hope he will take a strong stand about Cuba. Mckinley had not wished to start a war with Spain. He himself had seen more. Mckinley was the last veteran of the civil war to serve as president he had written to a friend. I've been through one more. I've seen the dead piled up. I do not WanNa see another. But despite mckinlay's wishes American tragedy dropped war directly in his lap on February Fifteenth. Eighteen ninety eight when the USS main exploded off the coast of Cuba. Two thirds of the three hundred fifty man crew were killed. An immediate investigation to the main explosion was launched by the US naval board of inquiry. They concluded that the cause of the explosion was a mind place beneath the ship. The result of the inquiry was playing. It was an act of war seventy five years later that inquiry would-be challenged in modern investigation. Determine that the blast most likely came from within the ship they would come to the conclusion that the cause of the main explosion was probably not a mind but simply an accident a spontaneous ignition of coal store next to the Reserve magazine but in Eighteen Ninety eight without modern investigative tools. The mind theory was widely embraced and in the heat of the moment. The mere accusation of a cowardly dastardly attacked by Spain. Calls public outrage. This outrage gave wore advocates justice. Excuse they crave for action. The sensationalist newspapers a William Randolph hearst and Joseph Pulitzer cried out retaliation known for their yellow journalism. These papers exaggerated story played on public fear. Headlines proclaimed Spanish treasury they claim destruction of the worship main was the work of an enemy William Harris even offered a reward. His New York Journal Fifty Thousand Dollars for information leading to the perpetrator of the main outrage. The press convinced Americans that the Spanish were responsible and sway public opinion towards war. Everyone rallied around the call. Remember the main to hell with Spain. Congress also clamored for retribution. Many wanted a declaration of war. The pressure on President McKinley was immense and yet. Mckinley resisted a close friend. Later told the story that in private the situation McKinley weep like a thirteen year. Old Boy. Mckinley told his friend. I have not slept over three hours a night for over two weeks. Congress is trying to drive us into war with Spain. The Spanish fleet is in Cuban waters. And we haven't enough ammunition on the Atlantic seacoast to fire salute before pro-war expansionist the sinking of the main had given them all the ammunition they needed. There is a popular joke. A President Mckinley at the time. Why is the president's mind like his bed because someone has to make it up for him before he can use it? The men of President Mckinley Cabinet certainly knew this to be true. They joined Congress in the call for war. And when McKinley resisted some took action to sway his opinion Kinley Secretary of war Russell Alder secretly approached the powerful Senator from Massachusetts Henry Cabot Lodge. Lodge was a vocal advocate for American imperialism. Secretary of War Alger begged the senator to pressure the president to declare war for Alger. The reasoning was purely political. The majority of public opinion was behind the war if the Republicans wanted to remain the dominant party. They must embrace the popular opinion secretary alter worn McKinley that if he did not declare war he was in danger of ruining himself and the Republican Party. By standing in the way of the People's wishes the cacophony of voices calling for war was deafening and finally the president gave in on April eleventh eighteen. Ninety Eight McKinley. Ask Congress for a declaration of war with Spain primary reason. He cited in helping Cuba. Was It's close. Proximity to the country keenly said it is especially our duty. Ford is right at our door. He publicly accepted the theory that the main had been sunk by a Spanish mine. He chastised the Spanish government for their failure as he put it to assure safety. And security to a vessel of the American navy in the harbor of Vana on a mission of peace on April Twenty first eighteen ninety eight the Republican controlled. Congress held vote on the declaration of war with Spain. The Senate voted forty two thirty five for the measure. The House overwhelmingly voted for war. Three hundred ten to six critics of the declaration claimed the war was solely conquest to answer these accusations. Congress also passed the teller amendment which limited the conflict to solely aiding Cuba and it's rebellion prohibited Cuba's annexation and once the conflict was over the. Us would leave. Congress also voted to give McKinley fifty million dollars to strengthen the US military volunteers enthusiastically lined up to enlist in June. Seventeen thousand troops landed in Cuba meeting little resistance the conflict with Spain which became known as the Splendid Little War would redefine. Us foreign policy would also create new battle lines which define the election fight of nineteen hundred. Wicked game is sponsored by the great courses. Plus I've been having some strange dreams recently but it turns out. 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At the great courses plus dot com slash elections get free trial access to their entire library. At the great courses plus dot com slash elections is July first eighteen. Ninety eight in a small village in Cuban. American forces are launching an offensive against the Spanish fortifications atop San Juan Hill. The ninth and Tenth Black Cavalry regiments known as the Buffalo soldiers lead. The charge forced to abandon their horses. The buffalo soldiers must take the hill on foot but under heavy fire valley advances repelled. They find cover at the bottom of the hill. Hold this position. Then when the orders given we'll take that hill at all hazards but no orders have come and this captains men have suffered heavy losses from Spanish. Gunfire from above retreat would make them open targets pinned down with nowhere to run just then from the nearby jungle spectacle man on horseback emerges from the trees and charges toward them more cavalryman follow him and even more troops follow on foot. It's the First Volunteer Cavalry Regiment. Otherwise known as the rough riders when the spectacle man in the SOMBRERO reaches the bottom of the hill he jumps off his horse and Grins at the pinned down officer. Captain Me and my boys are here to help. Glad to see you but we can't move from this position. Got US pin down. That's why I'm here. Captain my orders to help you in the regular take that hill. I've received no such orders. And we're holding this position can't take those hills just by firing at them. Captain y you suggest we do have believe an idea. I'm tend to rush them. The rough riders are a rag Tag Group of Volunteers Motley Group of Frontiers Meant Ivy League athletes. Texas Rangers Native Americans they all enlisted for the adventure and glory in battle the spectacle man leading them. Theodore Roosevelt is determined to take the hill and the glory that comes with. I will keep my man line where they are. You will not advance until orders which say otherwise Captain Gina where the colonel is no sir have been in communication with no Sir than I in the ranking officer. Here an I give the order to charge a will not move without an order from the colonel captain. Do you watch men to die on that hill of yours? No Sir let my writers through when Theodore Roosevelt started his charge up the hill. Several of the Buffalo soldiers who had been eager to make the advance Join Roosevelt. And the rough riders. Together the Group of White Black Native American soldiers resolutely sprang up. The hill cheering running forward between firing shots. Richard Harding Davis a reporter who observed the charge described it this way. They had no glittering bayonets. They were not masked and regular array and were a few men in advance bunched together and creeping up a steep sunny hill the top which roared and flashed with flame. The men held their guns pressed across the breast and stepped heavily as they climbed. They walked Greek death at every step. It was a miracle of self sacrifice a triumph of bulldog courage which one watch breathless with wonder the Spaniards atop. The hill fled the charge and the rough. Riders took the summit in July of eighteen. Ninety eight feud or Roosevelt emerged from Cuba. A national hero. His legendary charge up San Juan Hill launched him quickly into the governor's mansion of New York and soon into Washington politics. The United States emerged from Cuba. An empire the splendid little war was just that relatively small compared to other conflicts. It lasted only three months and cost the. Us only four hundred casualties but Cuba was free. Which boded well for the speculators and though the teller amendment prevented the annexation of Cuba the spoils of war were still monumental for the United States. It gained both Puerto Rico and Guam. The American empire was born and President. Mckinley rained. The war was also huge success for the US Navy on May first eighteen ninety eight just ten days after the declaration of war with Spain the US had proven its naval. Might IN THE BATTLE OF MANILA. Manila was the capital and largest city in the Philippines. Manila was also the final resting place of the once. Great Spanish Fleet outmatched by the newer American ships. The aging Spanish vessels were soundly defeated. They sank to the bottom of Manila Bay. Symbolizing the final fall of the Spanish empire the Philippines were yet another new addition to the American Empire but taking the Philippines would soon proved to be the first dilemma of American imperialism. And a problem for mckinlay's relection most of president McKinley constituents craved expansion. Though he had been resistant to the war with Spain President Mckinley eagerly sought to expand the country through diplomacy so he set his sights on another strategic group of islands in the Pacific. He orchestrated treaty to annex the island Kingdom of Hawaii at the end of the Nineteenth Century Asia was emerging as a powerful market for trade like the Philippines who why would be an important stop on a trade route to China. It would also serve as an important military outpost. Japan was growing ever more aggressive in the region. A naval base in Hawaii would strategically defend the West Coast but Japan had also set its sights on Hawaii when Japan hurt the United States intention to Annex Islands. They sent warships in protest but this sign of aggression only helped president McKinley pushed through the annexation on July seventh eighteen ninety eight he signed the newlands resolution making Hawaii a U. S. territory as the country grew so did the president's popularity but a situation evolving in the Philippines threaten Kinley popularity and any chance. He added a second term. The Philippines were group of islands in the Pacific surrendered by the Spanish to the United States at the end of the Spanish American war but unlike Guam and Puerto Rico. The situation in the Philippines was complicated similar to the Cubans. The Filipino people have been fighting for independence from Spain. This put President Mckinley in a politically difficult position. Would the United States be liberator or an oppressor too many Americans? The Philippines were just simply unknown. Even President Mckinley famously said when we received the cable from Admiral Dewey telling the taking of the Philippines. I looked up their location on the globe. I could not have told were those Darn Islands. Were within two thousand miles. Ultimately McKinley chose to possess the little known islands. He'd taken from Spain. This decision would lock the United States in a bloody conflict. That would last the remainder of McKinley term. He would later say if all do we had just sailed away when he smashed that Spanish fleet. What a lot of trouble. He would've saved US almost immediately. The Filipino independence movement caused a political backlash United States. These islands wanted their independence and the United States. Deny them their liberty many believe that. This was antithetical to the ideas of America. Soon an anti imperialist league four it was spearheaded by men like the Titan. Andrew Carnegie Former President Grover Cleveland and even the famous author Mark Twain of the Philippine Occupation Twain wrote. I should hate to see the eagle places talons on any other land even the genius. Who Helped McKinley win the presidency? Senator Mark Hanna vocalise his dismay on December tenth. Eighteen Ninety eight annexation of the Philippines passed Congress by one vote but discontent in the Philippines was a bomb waiting to explode a war for independence. There would spark and McKinley would find himself on the wrong side on a sweltering night in February eighteen. Ninety nine a group of US soldiers were ambushed by Philippine forces. A tense firefight lasted throughout the night. The next morning the leader the Filipino Liberation Army. Emilio Aguinaldo attempted a ceasefire but the US army refused and went on a bloody offensive to destroy the freedom fighters when the fighting was done. One hundred ninety four American soldiers were injured. Forty four were dead. The Filipinos casualties were far worse. Over five thousand Filipinos fighting for independence died at the hands of the United States. After this event the conflict soon devolved into a long and costly guerrilla war as a consequence the anti-imperialist protests at home grew louder. Mark Twain declared that the. Us flag should be resigned. William Jennings Bryan mckinlay's Democratic opponent in the eighteen ninety six election quipped. We said we are going to bring prosperity and democracy to the Filipinos. We better not educate them because they might learn to read the Declaration of Independence President. Mckinley defended his annexing. The Philippines claiming it was not tyranny but rather benevolent assimilation. And his is the indigenous peoples there were benefiting from Christianity and Western society the Filipinos felt otherwise using guerrilla tactics to hit and run American troops. They delivered the. Us significant casualties Americans also suffered heavy losses from jangled diseases like malaria and during the darkest moments of the conflict both sides committed horrible atrocities. By the end of the conflict. Five thousand Americans would be dead. Almost twenty thousand Filipinos would be killed by America's benevolent assimilation. America's first experience of war in Asia was a nightmare. So McKinley wanted a quick end to the war. He knew that continued. Conflict would endanger his reelection in the coming nineteen hundred contest and he was right sensing the political weakness. Democrats pounced on the issue. Many Democrats pushed for Admiral. George Dewey to run as their nineteen hundred Democratic candidate. They felt that dewey. The naval hero from the Battle of Manila was the perfect choice to challenge. Mckinley competency in the Philippine disaster. But Dewey's early bid for president was plagued by Gaffes I. He claimed that being president was much like being a soldier he would simply follow the orders of Congress. He also put his foot in his mouth when he admitted to never voting in presidential election then papers balked when he made the claim to a reporter that our next war will be with Germany. Though he might have been prophetic the press at the time found that prediction preposterous do his ultimate sin however proved to be that he married a Catholic because of the bad press. Dewey withdrew his name from consideration in. May of nineteen hundred. Dewey's withdrawal left the door open for William Jennings Bryan the previous Democratic candidate and outspoken critic of the conflict in the Philippines and a man ready to reclaim his status as the true leader of the Democratic Party when the Democratic Party in Kansas City for their convention. Brian was there obvious choice. The vote for his nomination was unanimous. Then they settled on ad lie. Stevenson for vice president like Bryan. Stevenson was a strong proponent for the free coinage silver the main plank of the Democratic Platform in the eighteen ninety six election one landmark event at the nineteen hundred Democratic National Convention was when they welcomed the first female delegate when one of the Utah delegates was unable to serve Elizabeth M Cohen of Utah stepped in. She made history. When she seconded the nomination of William Jennings Bryan. Mckinley had sealed his second nomination long before the Republican National Convention in Nineteen hundred prosperity in the country had been restored United States at one successful war with Spain. The country was a growing empire. No other Republican dreamed of attempting to replace McKinley. Even Admiral. Dewey thought about running against McKinley now endorsed him in fact. The only person who thought McKinley should not run for a second term was McKinley himself. In September of one thousand. Nine McKinley had written. I have had all the honor. There is in this place and had responsibility enough to kill any man but out of a sense of duty to the country. Mckinley agreed to stand for reelection. While mckinlay's renomination was a certainty. That choice for vice president was not late. Eighteen Ninety eight then vice president Hobart had fallen ill with a heart condition. He had nearly collapsed on the Senate floor while delivering an address at the time party chairman mark. Hanna promised press nothing. But death on earth and stop the renomination of Vice President Hobart but Hobart died on November twenty first eighteen ninety nine complete the ticket for the election of nineteen hundred. Republicans would tap none other than the hero of San Juan Hill Theodore Roosevelt when he was not out of love for the rising political star. It was an attempt to marginalize. We could game sponsored by Ziprecruiter. Who asked me to bring you this message right now. We cannot be overwhelmed. 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Senator Thomas C Platt nominated the hero of the battle of San Juan Hill. But it was not out of love and respect for Theodore Roosevelt. Roosevelt had written his wave fame from Cuba to the governor's mansion of New York there. His progressive ideas worried. Many Republicans and Senator Platt Wanted Roosevelt out of New York politics by placing him in the vice presidential office. Plant believe Roosevelt would do the least damage to the party and the country mark. Hanna disagreed he said. Don't any of you realize there's only one life between this madman? The presidency. Hannah did not want Roosevelt to have the nomination and Roosevelt did not want either. He declared so openly and frequently and he said on multiple occasions that McKinley lacked backbone. He did not wish to sabotage his own political rise by SADDLING. A dead end job. Under the thumb of a man he viewed as spineless but senator plant proved to privately hate Roosevelt more than Roosevelt publicly hated the vice presidency determined to rid. New York of the governor. Flat began a newspaper campaign to promote Roosevelt's nomination. The public welcomed the idea of nominating a war hero and Roosevelt ultimately gave into the wishes of flat and the public. He agreed to accept the nomination. If the convention voted for him so behind the scenes plaque campaigned hard for his nation. Despite both Mark Hanna and Theodore Roosevelt's desires Roosevelt was unanimously nominated. Join McKinley ticket. Accepting was felt said he would serve the party as a dignified non entity for four years. The election of nineteen hundred became a rematch of eighteen. Ninety six William Jennings Bryan and William McKinley would face off again but this time. The election was riddled with third party. Challengers in eighteen ninety six. The populist party had abandoned nominating their own candidate toback Brian largely because of his pro silver posture. But this time the populace were split. Many again wanted to fuse with Democrats. Toback Brian but many other populace did not and those two factors elected to run businessman. Warren Barker other parties propped up their own candidates. The new anti-imperialist party also often toback the anti-imperialist Brian. The New Prohibition Party ran lawyer John G woolley other new parties included the National Party. The Union Reform Party the United Christian Party and the Social Democratic Party famous for being the first Socialist Party in American history. These socialist nominated union. Leader Eugene debs. Who in eighteen ninety four had been arrested during the pullman rail boycott but in November? None of the third party attempts ultimately received any electoral votes. It was still a fight between McKinley and Brian Justice with the election of eighteen. Ninety six Brian hit the campaign trail heart. He again gave a daunting six hundred speeches in twenty four states. He repeated his eighteen ninety six support for the free coinage of silver. He also railed against monopolies and trusts but the issue. Brian hit McKinley hardest on was imperialism. Brian preached that possessing lands and people without their consent betrayed the very idea of America. He called for a return to America's tradition of isolationism and. Brian was an eloquent speaker. Known for persuasively winning crowd. But this time William McKinley had a secret weapon his running mate who knew how to dangle. A carrot and hit with a big stick in the election of nineteen hundred feet or Roosevelt launched a stumping tour that rivaled. Brian's the tenacious Roosevelt made four hundred eighty stops in twenty three states. He painted Brian. As a feckless coward. Juxtaposing zone heroism with Brian's apologetic foreign policy when Brian attacked McKinley for denying the Filipinos freedom. Roosevelt's Slam Brian Hypocrisy. How could a man cry for freedom in the Philippines while turning a blind eye to violent suppression of blacks in the South on the economy? Mckinley and Roosevelt successfully dismantled. Each of the Democratic Party's planks the tariff debate which dominate much of the previous election became a non issue. Us exports now exceeded imports McKinley. Now campaigned making reciprocal trade agreements. Brian's pushed for silver which garnered support in eighteen ninety six now fell flat in eighteen. Ninety nine Congress had officially passed the Gold Standard Act and all but ended the debate over silver. Mckinley promised for years. More of the full. Dinner Pail a callback to his last election. Promise he had made America Prosper again and pledged to continue that prosperity for majority of Americans. Brian's bite no longer had any teeth in the end. It was America's booming economy in bold expansion that made voters favor McKinley. Military Victories had bolstered national pride and extended national borders. Brian try to cast the ongoing conflict in the Philippines as an unwinnable boondoggle but McKinley town of troop reductions and pledged an end to the fighting within sixty days and on the home shores people were working in. American innovation was on the rise in the election of nineteen hundred. Americans made their thanks known at the ballot box with fifty one point. Six percent of the popular vote and two hundred ninety two electoral votes. Mckinley won an even larger victory over Brian and in eighteen. Ninety six McKinley was therefore the first president since Ulysses s grant to win consecutive reelection after he won or Cannito McKinley. Your duty to the country is to live for four years from March. Mckinley lead the country into the twentieth century. He was the first president to appear extensively on film and the first president to ride in the automobile at home. American goods were ordered by Cadillac. We're now finding new markets across the globe by the Spring of Nineteen O. One the warned the Philippines was over giving the United States a new doorway into Asian trade also in early nineteen o one. Mckinley began planning a canal to be built in either Nicaragua or Panama. To increase the United States economic enable foothold in the region the twentieth century promise to be appeared of innovation and prosperity but while most advanced and the growing economy many in the working class did not. Some Americans were growing tired of corruption. An unfair trade practices animosity was rising between Americans and the bursting immigrant population. Tensions were rising. It was only a matter of time before the tinderbox exploded. It's September six nineteen to one in Buffalo New York and the city is packed for the Pan American exposition the purpose of the fares to celebrate the spirit of economic friendship. Throughout the Americas. It's a festival of ingenuity and adventure. President Mckinley himself is in attendance. Yesterday was President's Day at the exposition where McKinley gave. What many are calling the best speech of his presidency today? The president is holding a reception in the Temple of Music. Great crowd has gathered for a chance to meet the president but one of the men in charge of security. Is it worried Mr President? I believe this crowd is to grave. We may not be able to keep them at bay. Nonsense I'm sure they will stay orderly. I don't want to deprive them of a chance to meet their president. Mckinley turns and smiles at the crowd begins pressing forward to shake hands with the head of the American Empire in front. A man leads his little girl after the president who offers her tiny hand. Well hello there little one. I hope you're enjoying the fair as they leave. The president's smiles and waves goodbye to the little girl. Next in line comes boyish featured man with bandaged. Right hand. He sheepishly steps forward to the president. A short Italian man pushes past him secret service. Detective Jerry keeps a close eye on the Italian menacing look which Gary regarded with suspicion Italian aggressively. Shake the president's hand. That's quite a grip. You have there sir. Hans like these only come from hard work. And that's what makes this country. Great Italian grips the president's hand so long that detective geary must step forward to break the class. All right. That's enough. Let's move along. Gary guides the Italian pass to allow the next man the one with the innocent face and bandaged hand a chance to meet the president. Young man steps forward. The president smiles noting. The injured right hand reaches out to take the man's left but before their hands meet two gunshots. Strike the president. The first grazing has chest the second in the stomach. The innocent looking young man is self proclaimed. Anarchists Leeann show Gush the bandage on his hand concealed. A revolver. Mckinley sings back into the arms of detective. Geary and my shot kyrie seats. The president back into a chair on buttons his best. He sees nothing but blood. Yes I fear you are Mr President. The man directly behind the assassin is a hulking six foot four black waiter James F. Parker. He quickly knocked the pistol from the Sassoon's grip with a powerful punch. He spins the assassin around like a top third blow breaks the assassins knows. The fourth knocked out several teeth from his chair. The president raises his right hand red with his own blood and cries out but no one heard him on the president's orders yeary and other officers tear the hulking parker away from the assassin. The crowd cries for lynching soldiers and police. Beat them back and cultural. Gosh away the officers asked him why he tried to kill the president. He says it's because he's an anarchist. Was his duty eight days after the shooting. The president was dead of Gangrene Theodore. Roosevelt rose to the highest office in the land but Roosevelt was progressive and the Republican establishment. Feared what that would mean for the Party and the country Mark Hanna exclaimed. Now look at Damn cowboys. President of the United States Roosevelt would spend the next four years attacking big business corruption and the establishment which tried to fight back in the election of nineteen zero four. They would try to buy. Roosevelt's allegiance but the establishment would learn a hard lesson. That damn cow boy was not for sale on the next episode of wicked game in the election of nineteen o four as Theodore Teddy Roosevelt fights to shed the mantle of accidental president and secure his party's nomination the forces of opposition on Wall Street and in the Democratic Party seat to deny teddy another four years in the White House. Don't miss a single week of our march from seventeen eighty nine to twenty twenty hit the subscribe button and your podcast APP now. This show is supported by you. Our listeners please give us a rating. Leave a review but the single best way to help the show grow is to tell others share with your friends and family and find us on social media at wicked game pond. And I'm at Lindsey Graham. Another way to support. This show is to go to wicked game. Podcast DOT COM members. There get early access to add free episodes as well as bonus content only available to members. Find out more at wicked game. 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249 | Rough Landing
"They welcomed aaron monkeys cabinet of curiosities production of heart. Radio and grim and mild. Our world is full of the unexplainable and if history is an open book all of these amazing tales. Right there on display just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the cabinet of curiosities. Even if you don't think of yourself as superstitious you've probably knocked on wood or uttered a casual bless you when someone sneezes. It's in our nature to want to control the uncontrollable and superstitions are just one way that we exert that desire even if they don't really do anything at all triscuit aca phobic architects of the buildings without thirteenth floor while some commercial airplanes. Don't have a thirteen throw. Athletes even have their own rituals and superstitions. They may not change their socks during an entire season or eats a bit of grass off the field before each game. Whatever it is. It's clear everyone does something to put good. Fortune in their favor and presidents are no exception. William mckinley was a civil war veteran and a lawyer before he became the twenty fifth president of the united states. He worked his way up politics. Earning a seat. In congress in eighteen seventy seven he had run against the democratic nominee levi. Lambourn beating him by over three thousand votes a solid win but one that had left him. Earning half of what he was making with his law practice. Although he and lambourn had been political rivals they remained friends in fact they had become quite close while campaigning the year prior lambourn was a horrid culture list known for growing red carnations. Mckinley often spoke of how lovely his flowers were so lambourn being the gentleman that he was made a gesture of goodwill before one of their debates he presented mckinley with a red carnation which the candidate pinned to his lapel. Mckinley won the debates and then went onto win. Ohio's seventeenth congressional district. He was convinced that the flower had something to do with it so he made sure that whenever he went out on the campaign trail he had a red carnation fastened to his lapel and it worked. When the democrats tried to gerrymander his district to sabotage his reelection. He still came out on top. He faced minor losses after a bit of political skulduggery from the other side but eventually went on to become governor of ohio in eighteen. Ninety two is famous. Red carnation always close to his heart. The am mckinley continued to climb the political ladder and with his flower pinned to his chest. There was no way that he could lose his friend and fellow republican mark. Hanna helped him secure the nomination for president in eighteen ninety. Six mckinley fought a hard campaign against democratic candidate. William jennings bryan speaking to over seven hundred thousand supporters from his front porch in canton ohio on the evening of november third. After everyone had cast their votes it was clear. Mckinley would be the twenty fifth president of the united states of america and he easily won the election for his second term for years later in nineteen hundred the people loved him. most people leeann. shell goss mckinley. As just another rich man. Exploiting the working class. He became emboldened by a speech from anarchist. Emma goldman who inspired the struggling show goes to make a statement of his own one that would resonates around the world. He would kill the president's. Meanwhile mckinley and his wife had been on a cross country tour following his inauguration their plan had been to visit the panamerican exposition a world's fair in buffalo new york before returning to washington however the first lady had fallen ill on the west coast cutting their trip. Short mckinley rescheduled his visit to the expo. For a few months later his staff was wary of the trip. His secretary actually tried to cancel it twice king umberto. The first of italy had been murdered by anarchists a year earlier and such public events were considered too dangerous. Even with heightened security. The president wasn't worried though. He trusted his people and he had a red carnation pinned to his jacket for good luck just like always on september. Sixth of nineteen o one. Mckinley arrived at the panamerican expo. As he intended he loved meeting with people shaking hands and talking with everyday americans as he made his way through the crowd a twelve year. Old girl walk up to him. Her name was myrtle ledger and she had an important question. She asked if she could have his pretty red flower. Mckinley usually carried bouquets of carnations with him to give out to the public e- even kept them on his desk in the oval office. But on this day all he had was the single carnation on his lapel. Not wanting to appear unkind. He pinned it and extended it toward her. I must give this flower to another flower. He said before moving on without his good luck charm pinned to his chest. E climb the steps to the temple of music concert hall as supporters approached him for handshakes and well wishes and that's when a man stepped forward his right hand shrouded in a handkerchief. It was jogos. Mckinley went to shake his left hand instead and as they shook chill goss fired the revolver he had hidden under the cloth shooting the president twice in the stomach. Mckinley didn't die immediately. He underwent an operation to remove the bullets but the wound became infected gangrene spreads to his internal organs and he passed away eight days later to the superstitious giving away. His carnation was the worst thing he could have done that day at the expo however one good thing did come out of the tragedy to honor the late president. Ohio pass legislation three years later. Adopting the scarlet carnation as the official state flower. Mckinley might be gone. But thanks to dr li lambourn. We can all still catch a glimpse of his lucky charm. Superstitious are not. I'd call that curious. This episode of cabinet of curiosities was made possible by hendrick's gin made in a tiny scottish seaside village and deliciously infused with roseanne cucumber it's a concoction invented by master stiller leslie gracie who supervises each batch five hundred leaders at a time and believe it or not hendrix. Has its own cabinet of curiosities. Bears is an actual cabinet to which is located inside the hendrick's gin palace. In girvan scotland. This locked cabinet is ms leslie gracie stores all the curious gen concoctions crafted. There's a hendrick's gin cocktail. For all kinds of occasions to this holiday delight your guests with a delectable yet easy to make cocktail like the hendrix. Cranberry think of it as the perfect refreshment to sip on our on the fire on a cold winter day. And it's really simple to make to just one part hendrix to part cranberry juice and one part sparkling wine. Then you combine all the ingredients that glass filled with ice. Stir them lightly and garnished with cucumber slices. Mint and cranberries considerate for your next holiday party. This winter hendrick's gin escaped the conventional embraced the delectable find more recipes at hendrick's gin dot com. Great cocktails start with responsible measuring. Please enjoy the unusual responsibly. Hendrick's gin forty four percents alcohol by volume twenty twenty imported by william grant and sons inc. New york new york. It's unwise for employees in dangerous professions to goof around. It's not just about professionalism either one wrong step. On a structural beam. Steelworker can find themselves falling thirty floors in seconds flat. A fisher who isn't paying attention can wind up overboard or worse from truck drivers to loggers people who work in these fields needs to be at the top of their games at all times. That goes double for commercial pilots. Who are often responsible not just for their own lives but the lives of hundreds of passengers flying with them which brings us to alexander. Koya koya was pilots. Flying jetliners for russian airline aeroflot's on october twentieth of nineteen eighty six. He took eighty-seven passengers and seven crew members on flight. Sixty five o two from yekaterinburg in central russia to ghazni in chechnya. With a stopover in the city of samara he was accompanied by his co-pilot. Gennady your enough as well. As a flight engineer and navigational expert each member of the crew was experienced in their field. Boy of in particular was quite familiar with the kind of plane he was flying. He had operated numerous times. Before and knew what its twin engines were capable of as the aircraft approached. Samara clove dropped down to an altitude of about thirteen hundred feet. His instrument panel lit up like christmas. So air traffic control suggested he land using a non directional beacon approach or nbd which utilized a radio transmitter on the ground to send a signal to the plane. Think of it sort of like how bats fly where the signals are bounced around. Tell the bat where it is in space but koi of had descended too fast and too quickly. The plane sped ahead at one hundred. Seventy three miles per hour. Landing alarms blared as air. Traffic control ordered the pilot to abort the landing otherwise known as a go around but it was also too late for that. Toyota was too close to pull the aircraft back up. The plane touched the earth so hard. It bounced and flipped upside down missing the runway entirely. It skidded along before. Finally settling as the airport. Authorities and first responders rushed to its location. They pride the doors open to find a disaster inside the cabin. That was even worse than what had happened. On the tarmac. Sixty three people had been killed in the crash. Seven were carefully removed from the wreck and rushed to local hospitals but died from their wounds. After the co-pilot jer nov was one of the few survivors of the impact. He managed to help others to safety but sadly his heart stopped on the way to the hospital. Miraculously all fourteen children on board the plane had survived as had of when they interrogated him about the crash. He came clean about ignoring air traffic control however he lied about the reason for his rough landing citing it as a failed training exercise. Eventually the truth came out and it earned the disgraced former pilot a one way ticket to a fifteen year prison sentence. It hadn't been a training exercise at all claw. You had tried to land the plane blindfolded. He was so sure of his skill in handling the aircraft he bet his co-pilot that he could land it without having to see the ground you're nov thought he was joking surely with ninety four souls on board the season. Koya would not try something so dangerous but the man turned out to be serious and confidence. There was no blindfold in the cockpit so he had the crew. Draw the curtains across the front windshield. His view of the outside when air traffic control tried to assist him in his landing. He dismissed them. Choosing only to rely on his instrument panel the proximity alarms blared as the plane got closer to the ground one crew member through the curtains open in a panic giving everyone a glimpse of tarmac amir seconds before impact. Alex koya of only served six of the fifteen years he'd been sentenced to for his stupid and tragic stunt and it's viewed by many as an insult to the families of those who were killed by his negligence. Most tales of curiosity are a product of wonder or invention or lucky coincidence. And i think we can all agree how fun they are to hear but sometimes the most curious thing we can learn is just how dumb people can be. And how deadly those mistakes and that becoming. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the cabinet of curiosities. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or learn more about the show by visiting curiosities. Podcast dot com. The show was created by me. Aaron mckie in partnership with. How stuff works. I make another award. Winning show called lor which is a podcast book series n television show and you learn all about it over at the world of lor dot com and until next time stay curious.
1896, Bryan vs. McKinley: The Battle of the Standard Bearers
"July first 1893 on New York City's President Grover Cleveland. Stand on the deck of his friends. Yacht the oneida savoring a cigar. Yesterday morning Cleveland. Ask Congress to call a special session. Then he sailed from Washington in secret. The official story is that he's on a four day fishing trip to Cape Cod and will return when Congress convenes only those on board. No the trips true purpose. The president takes another slow drag next hails trying his best to prepare for. What COMES NEXT MR PRESIDENT? We're almost ready to begin. And a moment Dr King. I trouble you for company. No trouble sir. Cleveland's second term just began already. He faces a sea of troubles. The panic of eighteen ninety three is the worst economic situation the country has ever seen. He's inherited an economic mess. Any intends to clean it up after a moment of silence. Cleveland speaks posterity. Not Judge me for what we do here today. Mr President you are all that stands between this country and absolute disaster. Your death would be a great calamity to this country. I detest the secrecy. I understand it how they will understand. I do not do this out of vanity. The country is in the midst of economic ruin. The Sherman Silver Purchase. Act passed on Republican. President Harrison requires the government to buy silver at an over-valued rate. This disastrous legislation has created a run on gold reserves are depleted banks are failing and people savings have disappeared to stop the bleeding of gold. Cleveland needs the law immediately repealed. But one thing. Stand the president's way. He has just been diagnosed with cancer. Doctor Do you truly feel that this must be done now? This diseases a bad looking tenant. I would have it a victim immediately several weeks ago. President Cleveland noticed a rough place on the roof of his mouth where he holds his cigar once examined. His doctors found a quarter size ulcer. His gums the testing of a small bone fragment confirmed it was malignant. If the dreaded news of the president's condition were added to national calamity it might sink the country entirely so to save the economy. Cleveland's fishing party five doctors and a dentist a save the president. They must do it all in secret. Doctor I don't know if I will survive this. We will do our best Mr President. I have every faith in your abilities doctor. I mean the office of the Presidency Sir. If your first term was any measure you will persevere and the country will be all the better for it. Yes but you know in calm water. Every ship has a good captain. Cleveland TAKES ONE LAST DRAG FROM HIS CAR. And tosses it overboard all right? I'm ready Doctor. I trust you can operate on a moving ship in might also be said that in com- owner every ship has a good doctor. But yes if the Captain Hall's steady I can take care of the rest for the procedure. President Cleveland Sat in a chair bound the mast because of his age and physical condition us only given mild as several. Molars were removed as well as the entire left. Joel to protect the president's signature. Mustache the hour and a half operation was performed inside the mouth without any external incisions then he was fitted with a rubber prosthesis to replace missing section of jaw and Palate. When Grover Cleveland address the Special Session of Congress on August seventh? No one was the wiser. You want his repeal of the silver purchase act and the public would not learn about the surgery until nineteen seventeen. It was one of the best kept political secrets in American history. But the repeal of the Silver Act had massive consequences for Washington itself a fiery debate in both parties that would define the election of eighteen ninety six for Cleveland. The repeal would amount would ICAL suicide Lindsey Graham and this is American elections. Wicked game In the election of eighteen eighty eight GROVER CLEVELAND LOSSES BID FOR RE election to Republican Benjamin Harrison as he and the first lady move from the White House Francis Cleveland made a prediction telling steward we are coming back just four years from today. She was right grover. Cleveland won the election of eighteen ninety two and became the first and only president to begin a nonconsecutive second term but the nation had changed by the time. The Cleveland's reentered the White House events during the previous four years of Harrison's presidency had turned the economic surplus Cleveland enjoyed into a massive depression at the beginning of Cleveland. Second term companies were bankrupt banks were insolvent and unemployment skyrocketing. The panic of eighteen ninety three was caused by a web of international and domestic economic conditions from the price of wheat and Argentina to the failure of the Philadelphia and reading railway and it hit Americans. Hard one and five of them were without work. Cleveland inherited a mess in was vocal in placing the blame on Harrison and the Republicans but throughout his second term. While Cleveland sought to save the economy he turned to policies. Many Republicans embraced leaving the Labor movement in many in his own Democratic Party. Feeling BETRAYED FOR GROVER CLEVELAND. His second term would be his last election of eighteen. Ninety six would become a realignment of the two major political parties. He would be a contest between the little guy and big business between the haves and have nots between silver and gold. The two men carrying the torch of their political parties were Republican William McKinley and Democrat William Jennings Bryan. This is episode twenty eight eighteen ninety six Brian versus McKinley. The Battle of the standard bearers grover Cleveland was inaugurated on March fourth. Eighteen ninety three but already signs of financial trouble were evident twelve days. Prior on February Twentieth The Philadelphia and Reading Railway Company had failed. Railroads were a massive industry. They're sprawling tracks and thousands of cars making up a significant portion of demand for steel and labor but they were overbuilt overextended financed largely with corporate debt with the collapse of the Philadelphia and reading railway. Many feared the banks backing them would fail to this. Fear drove investors in the US and abroad to liquidate their investment in American stocks bonds and other securities redeeming the proceeds in gold but gold was already in short supply because of Silver Republican president. Benjamin Harrison had signed the Sherman Silver Purchase Act into law on July fourteenth eighteen ninety pass in tandem with the McKinley tariff. Both these acts were compromised measures responding to competing concerns from industry and farmers and laborers the first of the to the Sherman Silver Purchase Act was a response to farmers and other struggling with debt. Who wanted free silver the unlimited coinage of silver silver as a currency? Would one drive up the price of crops through inflation and to drive down the value of their debt? And though the Sherman Act didn't completely enact a freeze over policy it did require the federal government to increase its purchase of silver by millions of houses. A month the Treasury would by the silver with special paper Treasury notes but the notes could be redeemed for either silver or gold at a government mandated exchange rate but the government rate was not the market rate silver was overvalued by the act and as a result investors bought silver from the markets and Mining Companies. Sold it to the US government for notes exchange the notes for gold from the Treasury. You some of the goal to buy more silver and then did it all over again. This investment maneuver is known as Arbitrage. And it's basically free money for the investor but disaster for the Treasury so when the failure of the Philadelphia and Reading Railway Company produced a run on gold the nation discovered. It was running out but despite this unintended consequence the Sherman Silver Purchase Act was popular among many of president Cleveland's Democratic supporters. What was not popular was the other act passed? At the same time the McKinley Tariff Act of Eighteen. Ninety this act to push by protectionist. Republicans tried to promote American goods by restricting foreign imports putting a staggering forty eight percent tax on some imported goods but many of these goods were needed by farmers labors. Many which were Democrats. The unpopularity of this tariff had almost single-handedly costs Republicans the election of eighteen ninety two so when President Cleveland Return for his nonconsecutive Second Term. Most expected him to fulfill his campaign. Promise eliminate the tariff. The Democrats had won the presidency and both houses of Congress there was a clear mandate for the tariffs immediate repeal. But Cleveland was also a believer in gold. Standard and with financial conditions worsening. He turns his attention to repealing. The Sherman Silver Purchase Act. Instead fighting through his secret cancer surgery he had the act repealed when it was far too late to save the economy. The damage had been done in. Cleveland's attempt to cure the country's economic problems had only created political ones in the eyes of many Democrats. Cleveland had betrayed his party and turned his back on the farmers and labourers that support it. In the summer of eighteen ninety four he would double down. It's July third. Eighteen ninety four and tensions are high in Chicago Illinois. Eugene DABS president of the American Rail Union Paces. The wooden floor of his hotel room a week ago. He ordered his union to strike. Now the pullman boycott dabs principle stand against the pullman palace car company has grown into a national movement. Rail lines across the country are at a standstill. Dabs is in way over his head. George Howard his vice president burst into the room. A copy of the Chicago Tribune in hand. Frustrated Howard reads the headlines Out. Loud to deb's mobs and control law is trampled on through the lawless act. Dictator deb's that's you. The lives of thousands of Chicago. Citizens were endangered yesterday. This is exactly what I warned you would happen. Mr Deb's Doboy me blame George pullman. We try to handle this matter without striking. We gave to request negotiate. He wouldn't even speak to US just two years ago. George M pullman. Business was booming his poelman luxury dining and sleeping cars where a symbol of prosperity. You paid his employees. Well provided them with affordable housing then came to panic of eighteen ninety three. He cut wages by twenty five percent but refused to lower his employees. Rent Eugene debs and the American rail unions stepped in to help the workers press for better wages but pullman refused to negotiate. We drew a line in the sand. Mister Howard when poelman ignored us we had no choice but to strike but now things have gotten completely out of hand. I warned you to keep this. Local only pullman employees. The workers living in Palmerstown are starving and injury to one in the cause of labor is the concern of all Labor to unite and stand by labor and they are uniting. Nearly one hundred twenty five thousand workers across the country have joined the ar you by boycotting pullman cars switchmen are removing pullman cars from trains railroad companies have stopped running trains for fear of breaking contract with Poland. As many as twenty rail lines are at a complete standstill. Call off the strike immediately. Mr Depp's if I do thousands of men will lose their jobs. The railroads have already pledged to fire any strikers. Fool listen to me. Judge was just issued an injunction against us then junction on what grounds interference with the Postal Service? That's federal. I made my instructions to the Union. Clear avoid all violence and leave the Damn Mail. Trains alone courts have spoken. They think the strike is over. No can't be not after all we've accomplished if we don't get the trains moving they'll use force president. Cleveland would never. He's a friend of labor here. That troops are massing down on Jackson. Street call off the strike at once. Or they'll arrest US long. Deb's goes to the window to see the troops for himself. He sits in silence. Mulling OVER HIS OPTIONS. Then he settled on it. No we will stand our ground. You suggesting we defy the law proclaiming the only crime the American Railway Union is guilty of is showing sympathy to the polling employees. We were arrested for that. Our nation has lost at very soul. Tell our people to keep the peace but hold their ground president grover. Cleveland always considered himself on the side of Labour on June. Twenty eighth eighteen ninety four two days into the American Railway Union strike. He made Labor Day an official federal holiday. He had been swept into office by a coalition of Democrats members of the new populist party and Labour supporters past events like the homestead strike and Coal Creek War and further solidify Cleveland's base of support in the pro labor movement these violent clashes pitted American workers against their employers the wealthy magnets and industrialists pejoratively known as robber barons. One of these robber barons was George. Pullen founder of the PULLMAN car company PULLMAN had a near monopoly on the manufacture of railcars his mistreatment of his labor force in the company town of pullman. Chicago drew his company into the sites of Labor activists. American Railway Union President Eugene debs called the struggle with the pullman company a contest between the producing classes and the money power of the country but when the pullman strike began in the summer of eighteen ninety four President Cleveland did not come to the defense of Labor. He tried his best to stay out of IT TO CLEVELAND. The role of government was to act as an arbitrator. A neutral third party that settled disputes but didn't pick sides but the PULLMAN strike was getting wildly out of hand. It was the first ever national strike with all realize west of at a standstill president. Cleveland's Attorney General Richard. Only DESPISE STRIKES. In his opinion they were no different than insurgencies but for only the pullman strike which he called debs rebellion was also personal only had been the director of several railroads and he knew the industry. Well HE PRESSURED President Cleveland to act immediately to prevent the spread of lawlessness saying if the rights of the United States were vigorously asserted in Chicago. The origin of the demonstration. The result would be to make it a failure everywhere else and to prevent its spread over the entire country for only there was only one way to stamp out. Deb'S REBELLION BY FORCE. But Cleveland was not willing to get involved so only hatched a plan. He claimed the strike had disrupted the US Postal Service making it. A federal issue only suggested that if the courts ruled the strike illegal it would put pressure on deb's to end it. The president in the meantime would be kept clean of the whole affair though. Aru's president Eugene. Debs denied only as assertion only strategy worked on President Cleveland. And though he didn't know it going along with his plan. Cleveland had sat himself on a collision course. With the American Rail Union and has Democratic Party Attorney General only won an injunction from the courts against the pullman boycott but Eugene debs ignored the injunction and continued the strike when small incidents of violence began breaking out. Only use the unrest as a pretext act. He cited a civil war statute intended for times of war which empowered the government to protect against domestic violence. Only use this obscure law the mail stoppage and DEB's defiance of the court order as fodder to press Cleveland to take executive action. The president finally agreed to end the boycott by using force. Cleveland SENT SIX THOUSAND TROOPS TO CHICAGO. Long with an army of deputies to make arrests saying if it takes the army and navy of the United States to deliver a postcard in Chicago. That card will be delivered. But dads warned of the tenuous nature of the situation telling a reporter. The first shots fired by the regular soldiers at the mob. Here will be the signal for a civil war. Bloodshed will follow and ninety percent of the people in the United States will be arrayed against the other ten percent and I would not care to be arrayed against the laboring people in the contest. Dams prediction came true at least in part on the evening of July fifth eighteen ninety four. The strike turned into a riot the presence of federal troops and cited a few groups of strikers to overturn and set fire to rail cars the next morning. United States. Deputy fired into a crowd of strikers killing innocent on our man from there. The simmering violence boiled over more fires. Were started the Chicago. Rail yards went up in flames. Ultimately federal troops led bannet charge against civilians though estimates vary somewhere between twelve and thirty were killed after the smoke cleared a are you. President Eugene. Debs was arrested. He would serve six months in prison. Only to emerge with even more radical views. He would continue the fight for Labor but not as head of the American Railway Union instead as a presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America when Cleveland Repeal the Sherman Silver Act. Many Democrats had felt betrayed when he use federal force against the pullman boycott he irrevocably damaged his credibility with his base in the winter midterms of eighteen ninety four. Cleveland's decisions cost him. Severely many disaffected Democrats stayed away from the polls and the others cast their votes for third party which had already made gains the eighteen ninety two election. The People's Party also known as the populist party primarily a party of farmers and laborers the far left platform of the People's Party was critical of big business. Pro Silver Call for government. Ownership of the railroads became the perfect home for Democrats angry with President Cleveland. As a result the eighteen ninety two midterm elections were the biggest political swing. In the nation's history. Cleveland had begun his second term with his fellow. Democrats in control of both houses but in the midterms Democrats lost over one hundred seats in the house and four seats in the Senate. Twenty four states failed to elect a single Democrat with another six electing only one each this embarrassing loss seated complete control of Congress to Republicans making it the first midterm in history that a president's Party boss both houses. What in the wake of this political bloodbath grover. Cleveland would not do himself any favors. His subsequent actions would further Alienate Party. Cost him the Democratic nomination and set the stage for the Republicans seized power. We could game sponsored by Ziprecruiter. Who asked me to bring you this message right now. We cannot be overwhelmed. We have to work to keep our loved one safe and protect our communities. We have to work to stay strong to stay connected to stay focused. We have to work to inspire to innovate to build new solutions. But for all this to work we have to work together. Ziprecruiter next employers and people every day but today is different so ziprecruiter's partnering with First Responders Government officials the medical community the innovators and manufacturing transportation and food distribution industries to make sure they are finding the right people for the right jobs right now. Let's work together. Ziprecruiter DOT com slash work? Together it's February fourth. Eighteen ninety five in a man has just arrived in Washington with a big idea. The economic situation across the country's dire over the past few months gold reserves have continued to plummet. This man has an idea to save the economy. These come to Washington. Dc to share it with the president. The man is escorted to the White House after the executive residence as he waits alone. The man takes a cigar from his pocket. Rolls it in his fingers. It will take one of the most powerful men in the country to fix the gold reserve crisis that is precisely why J. P. Morgan. The famous banker has come to Washington. Mr President Mr Morgan. I'm sure you know. Attorney General. Only Treasury Secretary Carlisle Gentlemen. Please speed what brings you to Washington? Mr Morgan gold in the Treasury's reserve president. Cleveland knows the reserve is running low. Whatever favored J. P. Morgan is asking for? He is not in a position to help while sir. If you wish to take any gold from the Treasury GONNA know Mr President. I wished to put gold in well. If you wish to buy some public bonds we will soon be issuing oeser. We do not have the time. The issue has already been decided. Mr Morgan the real issue. Mr President is that there is an investor in New York with a draft for ten million dollars in gold. I'm sure we can handle that amount. No Mr President. The Treasury only has nine million when that ten million draft is presented. You won't be able to meet it. The United States will be insolvent before the end of the day. The president knew the situation was bad but hearing the word insolvent drains the color from his face. When you suggest for Morgan we must act quickly. Sir I suggest a private sale of American bonds I will lead a syndicate of investors. Who will pay for the bonds in gold? That's no good. Mr Morgan. Congress will never allow a private sale. Mr President back in the civil war when I was in a mining village trading gold. I stopped at a saloon to play a game of Solitaire. There I heard tell of a statute that gave President Lincoln the authority to do exactly what I'm suggesting. This is news to Cleveland's ears even his attorney. General Richard Only unaware of the law only quickly stance and Fascism the book of revised statutes he flips through the pages and stares into belief only hands the book to Treasury Secretary Carlisle. He reads section thirty seven hundred allowed. The Secretary of the Treasury may purchase coin with any of the bonds or notes. The United States pond such terms as he may deem most advantageous to the public interest. This seems to suffice memorial. How much are you suggesting? One hundred million ought to do it. We'll put that much back into the Treasury in exchange for bonds. The president is apprehensive. Mr Morgan is there enough gold left on American shores to accomplish such a venture. My Syndicate will secure half of what's needed from abroad. And what have we that if we adopt this plan? The gold you deposit will not continue to be shipped abroad as it has been fired. Can you guarantee that this will not happen? Morgan raises an eyebrow with this request. President Cleveland is fundamentally asking Morgan to control the international gold markets during the life of the contract. It's a tall order but if anyone can do it. It's J. P. Morgan yes. Mr President until the contract has been concluded and the goal has been reached. You have my word. Cleveland offers. His hand Morgan takes it and with a single handshake. Economy is rescued nickname. Jupiter J. P. Morgan was truly a Titan Day. Even the very news of his deal with Cleveland calm. The market and Morgan Syndicate held up their end Morgan and his fellow investors agreed by sixty. Two point three million dollars in bonds in exchange for three point five million ounces of gold valued at seventeen dollars and eighty cents per ounce but the market price of gold at the time was slightly higher than the contract price netting the Morgan syndicate a three million dollar premium in addition to any interest on the bonds through his deal with Morgan. Cleveland bought the American economy away out of collapse but for many Democrats. The price was too high in their minds. Cleveland had sold out their parties. Values the Silver Democrats viewed bankers and Wall Street. Titans like Morgan as criminals by striking backroom deal with them without Congressional approval or oversight. Cleveland had colluded with the enemy. The charges of corruption were so straighten that soon. Congressional committees began to investigate Congress summoned J. P. Morgan to testify but he was cagey invasive. When one senator asked him directly how much he in profited from the deal Morgan replied that I decline to answer. I am perfectly ready to stay to the committee. Every detail of the negotiations up to the time that the bonds became my property and were paid for what I did with my own property subsequent to that purchase. I declined to state except this. The no member of the government in any department was interested directly or indirectly here with but few Democrats were willing to take the word of J. P. Morgan one of the most despised of the Gila Age robber barons still. Regardless of the claims corruption. The scheme had worked. Morgan's gold stabilized the situation and put an end to the panic. The success of the plan made the Treasury stable but left grover Cleveland politically bankrupt. While most in the populist and democratic parties were angered at the move many Republicans were delighted. Most Republicans had supported the repeal of the Sherman Silver Purchase Act. They'd applauded when Cleveland Use Force against Labor during the PULLMAN strike. The Morgan deal gave him even more cost for celebration. Cleveland protected the US dollar the banks and the barons own them and so- Cleveland's detractors labelled him a Bourbon Democrat likening him to the Bourbon kings of France beheaded at the hands of liberal revolutionaries too many seen Cleveland now had more in common with Republicans in his own party on June sixteenth. Eighteen Ninety six the Republican National Convention was held in Saint Louis Missouri. The wealthy industrialist Marcus. Hanna served as chairman of the Republican National Committee under his command. The Republican Party was a powerful political machine with a well-developed platform. Republicans were largely pro expansion calling for the acquisition of Hawaii. They also supported a revolution in Cuba. That would rest the island away from Spain in order to take it for the US. Nativist and the party push the ban of all illiterate immigrants the key planks however were high tariffs and the gold standard united behind these central policies. The Republicans would find their candidate and former governor and Congressman William McKinley. Call the idol of Ohio William McKinley. Junior's father had been a second-generation pig. Iron WORKER SMELTING IRON. From or but mckinlay's mother had wanted a better life for her son so she had him enrolled in private methodist seminary during the civil war. Mckinley had volunteered for service. Commissary sergeant risking his life delivering meals to soldiers in combat at the Battle of Antietam. He had driven his wagon through heavy confederate fire to reach the famish union soldiers. This act of bravery had caught the eye of then officer and future president. Rutherford B Hayes. Hayes assigned the young McKinley to be a member of his staff and throughout the remainder of the war. Mckinley had risen through the ranks. Eventually becoming Brevet major by the age of twenty two after the war mckinlay's rise in Ohio. Politics had been equally meteoric. He had I been elected to Congress in eighteen. Seventy six realizing the threat. He posed to the agenda. Democrats had tried to Gerrymander him out of office. Not once but twice still. Mckinley had prevailed winning multiple reelection campaigns and rising to become the chairman of the powerful ways and means committee in eighteen eighty nine. It was from this post that he lent his name and influence to advocate for the highest tariff ever post McKinley Tariff Act of eighteen. Ninety the same act. Democrats have blamed for the panic of eighteen ninety three Democrat. Ohio had retaliated by trying to redistrict him again forcing McKinley into a hard-fought special election to keep his seat. He lost that election by only three hundred votes dejected. He returned to Ohio and launched a successful campaign for governor. Kenley was popular even handed but he was sloppy with his personal finances. During panic of eighteen ninety three he had been hoodwinked into a bad financial deal by an acquaintance. The deal had left him with over one hundred thousand dollars in debt. Two point eight million in today's dollars but a group of wealthy supporters had come to his aid and footed the bill one of these wealthy men was mark. Hanna a millionaire by forty Hannah had brought experience and exceptional accurate having business and coal steel railroads and newspapers in eighteen. Ninety six contest he used his breadth of experience to lead the fight for mckinlay's nomination Hannah. Mckinley made a good pair with McKinley. Setting the policy agenda and Hannah ferociously running the campaign. Just as he'd done with each of his businesses Hannah was also an effective surrogate taking countless meetings. Shoring up support with politicians and fellow businessman. He also banked while the campaign pained print thousands of copies of McKinley speeches along with shipping campaign posters badges buttons to every state seeing the beginning of his work in Alabama. One senator predicted if Mr Hannah has covered every district in the United States in the same manner that he did. Those in Alabama. Mckinley will be nominated. Hannah's efforts paid off at the June eighteen. Ninety six Republican convention McKinley won the nomination on the first ballot to bolster his chances in the general election. The Republicans chose corporate lawyer Garret Hobart New Jersey as his running mate party leaders hope to get the neighboring state of New York. A PIVOTAL SWING STATE TO VOTE. Republican but there was another reason with a party fully committed to the gold standard. A political moderate hallmark might also placate any silver right Republicans who weren't enthused by McKinley. Sitting at the top of the ticket. Republicans called McKinley. The advance agent of prosperity the only candidate capable of saving the stalled economy and reversing the trend of rampant unemployment with the nomination in their pocket and the Party. United Behind McKinley. Hobart ticket Hanna and McKinley went to work. Meanwhile Democrats were not nearly as unified. The party was split over issues of gold and silver the role of the federal government. And how to move past the economic crisis where one plank in the democratic platform was not up for debate it read. We are opposed to the issuing of interest bearing bonds and condemn the trafficking with banking syndicates. President CLEVELAND'S DEAL WITH J. P. Morgan might have saved the economy but it cost him the nomination. Cleveland was out at the Democratic convention in the summer of Eighteen. Ninety six a little known Nebraska politician would use that occasion in his gift of words to sees his party's nomination and changed the face of the eighteen ninety six contests it's July ninth. Eighteen ninety six inside the Chicago Coliseum and the Democratic Party is at war with itself. The economic crisis has caused a tectonic shift in the political landscape. A faultline has split the party into Bourbon. Democrats with the northeast largely represent big business and the gold standard silver rights of the south and West largely represent farmers and labourers one by one men jockeying to be the next Democratic presidential nominee. Take to the podium by settling the debate over the standard. They helped the solve the debate over. Who will be the nominee? I is an avid white. Supremacist Congressman Benjamin Tillman of South Carolina when this convention disperses. I hope my fellow citizens will have a different opinion of the man with pitchfork from South Carolina. Tillman once called. Grover CLEVELAND. A bag of beef. He threatened to provide the president with pitch for lending him. The nickname pitchfork. Ben I am from South Carolina. Which was the homeless secession. Oh his if you like their only three things on earth which can his goose a serpent. A man with no knowledge whatsoever of South Carolina's Grand History. South Carolina demands the emancipation of the white slaves. Silvery Tillman likens the gold standard to slavery for the poor farmer though the crown mostly agrees with him on silver grown tired of Tillman's abrasive tirades and civil war references. Another speaker takes the podium. It's Bourbon Democrat Senator Hill of New York. I'm a Democrat. I'm not a revolutionist. My mission here. Today is to unite not divide. I therefore start out with this proposition that the Democratic Party stands in favour neither of silver standard nor of a gold standard. We should not attempt the experiment of the free and unlimited coinage of silver with the cooperation of other great nations hills. Lack of support for silver proofs is undoing many other. Democrats from the northeast degree with him. They are in the minority the majority of the crowd our civil rights and make their supportive. Silver no just then a freshman congressman from Nebraska takes to the podium. His name is William Jennings Bryan. The homeless citizen in all the land when clad in the armor of a righteous cause is stronger than all the hosts of air. I come to speak to you in defense. For 'cause as holy as the cause of liberty the cause of humanity William Jennings Bryan is only thirty six yet. He's already found his way onto the coveted ways and means committee there. He's proven himself a powerful order and he's used his gift to push for a very popular issue. Silver there are two ideas of government. There are those who believe that. If you will only legislate to make the well to do prosperous. Their prosperity will lead through to those below. The Democratic idea however has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find way up through every class which rest upon them if Republicans dare to come out in the open field and defend the gold standard as a good thing we will fight them to the uppermost having behind the producing masses of this nation and the world supported by the commercial interest. The Laboring Interest Tyler's everywhere. We will answer their demand for gold standard by saying to them. You shall not press down upon the brow of Labor this crown of Thorns. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold. Brian Speech is considered one of the most famous in American political history that day in the Convention Hall Chicago. It worked the New York Times wrote. Brian's bearing his graceful his face handsome his utterances clear and strong. His style is free bold picturesque and brilliant. No wonder that his oration move the emotional and enthusiastic civil rights and at ones turned the delegates to the boy order of the plant but Brian's victory was not yet assured when balloting commenced Missouri Congressman. Richard P bland a revere Democrat older statesman and strong silvery was viewed as the presumptive nominee on the first ballot. Bland took two hundred thirty five votes nearly one hundred more than Brian but not enough for a majority on the second ballot as lesser candidates dropped out. Brian gained votes for a total of one ninety seven but so too did bland with two eighty one. The New York Times described the horse race that followed in the breathless tone of a track reporter. The third ballot began suspiciously for Bland. But it soon turned. Brian's way bland. Gains were ten but Brian increased his vote. Twenty two when the fourth ballot began with the Shifting Alabama's twenty two votes from bland. Brian and California Idaho and Kansas gave their votes. The Brian. The end was in sight. The Illinois delegates left the hall while the votes were being completed. Everybody knew what that meant. The announcement of the fourth ballot with Brian leaning with two hundred eighty votes and bland. Next with two forty was a signal for a rumpus was stopped with difficulty after much. Delay the fifth and final ballot was begun as the roll-call proceeded for the fifth ballot and exciting seeing developed Alabama California Colorado Georgia Idaho. Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Mississippi Nebraska North Carolina South Carolina. South Dakota Tennessee. Virginia and most of the territories enrolled their votes for Brian. But when the fifth call was completed he still needed votes to recruit the line. The Brian men organized a march about the Nebraska delegates and under the inspiration or infection of excitement. Presently were able to collect near a majority of two-thirds Illinois came back into the hall to swell the list with her forty eight votes but Illinois did not nominate him. It was not until governor stone. Speaking for Missouri cast thirty four votes for Brian. The Blather skype was selected as the presidential candidate of the democratic popular conviction but not all democrats were happy with Brian. Speech wants the Democratic Convention had chosen silver as their platform. Gold Democrats went into open revolt. They attempted a coup and approach President Cleveland to run as a third party candidate but Cleveland was finished with politics and refused to go for a third term instead. He chose retirement and as a final betrayal to Democrats. Grover CLEVELAND. Endorse the Republican candidate calling McKinley. A sound money man but there were three parties in this race the Democrats embrace of silver as a key plank in its platform left the People's Party with a difficult decision. The People's Party was made up silver farmers and labourers. If they ran a candidate of their own they would split the silver vote with Democrats all but guaranteeing McKinley victory so at their conference in Saint. Louis they chose to throw their support behind the Democratic candidate William Jennings Bryan making the three way race. A head to head competition. The election of eighteen ninety six is often called the battle of the Standards Economic Policies. Were the hot issues and the Republicans and Democrats offered sharply differing views. Republican William McKinley campaigned on protectionist tariffs and the gold standard planks. One and two of the Republican Platform Democrat William Jennings Bryan argued the opposite low tariffs and the free and unlimited coinage of silver and gold but both these platforms carry political and economic risk. The panic of eighteen ninety three was largely blamed on two factors McKinley tariff and the Sherman Silver Purchase Act yet. Mckinley wanted to pass another high tariff and Brian wanted to again. Establish a silver standard. In order to win. Both candidates would have to convince the public to give their policy another shot. The two candidates also ran their campaigns very differently. Brian was a gifted order and traveled across the country. Speaking directly to voters he ran a grassroots campaign going town to town crossing more than eighteen thousand miles and giving twenty speeches a day. Six hundred and all the McKinley campaign led by millionaire. Marcus Hanna operated less from the stump and more in boardrooms McKinley stayed put conducting a front porch campaign where he spoke to small groups who visited him at his home. Meanwhile Hanna accorded big business as a result. An enormous amount of money flowed through their campaign while Brian had a six hundred fifty thousand dollar war chest. Mckinley amassed a staggering. Three Point. Five million with some estimates as high sixteen million equal to half a billion dollars. Today this money changed the campaign and the future of American politics at the time the country had fifteen million perspective voters throughout the campaign. Hanna littered them with over two hundred fifty million pamphlets seventeen marketing pieces. For every voter in America he also freely distributed gold bug lapel pins antitax. Imprinted a fake dollar bills with Brian face on them that read in God. We Trust for the other. Fifty three cents insinuating that under silver system. The dollar would lose more than half its value. Hannah also weaponized the in September eighteen ninety six. A report was issued by the New York Times from an anonymous psychiatrist whose analysis described Democrat Brian as possessing a relentless and mental vagabond age an intense over mastering and growing egotism and grandiose ideas that are almost if not quite delusional. The doctor then blamed this confused illogical mental state and what was called. Brian's bad hereditary history mckinlay's allies and business made their opinions known to including voting advice in notes attached to employees payslips. The business owners message was clear. The survival of their companies and therefore their employees jobs dependent on a McKinley presidency. Meanwhile Brian continued stumping. Speaking himself horse trying to convince the millions that came to see him that low tariffs and silver. Were the way forward but Brian was just one. Man Has Republican machine hired scores of gifted orders to campaign for McKinley including New York. City Police Commissioner Theodore Roosevelt so when the election was held in November of eighteen ninety six the result was clear. Money Talks Louder Than William Jennings Bryan ever could. Brian did well in the south and West but his victories. There could not overcome McKinley. Lead in the numerous and densely populated eastern states. Mckinley defeated Brian with two hundred. Seventy one electoral votes and fifty one percent of the popular vote but state by state. The popular vote was not nearly so close. Mckinley had an overwhelming lead in every New England. State New York Pennsylvania in Illinois. Brian won commanding majorities in the South and Mountain West sectionalism. In one thousand. Nine hundred America was as alive as it ever had been. As different areas in the country saw different solutions to their social and economic problems but mckinlay's first term in office would not be defined by his economic policy it would be defined by his foreign policy with a splendid little war. Mckinley would extend manifest destiny past the coast and into the he would seek to transform America from country to an empire on the next episode of wicked game the election of one thousand nine hundred as the country emerges from the worst economic crisis it has ever seen. United States expands its continental borders but the cost of American imperialism is a war with Spain and a campaign of aggression in the Philippines in a rematch of the eighteen. Ninety six election in nineteen hundred election sets the stage for a new progressive era and the election gives rise to a new political hero brings about the fall of another. Don't miss a single week of our march from seventeen eighty nine to twenty twenty. Hit the subscribe button anger. 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Introducing... Impeachment: A Daily Podcast
"Being an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast that's indeed dot com slash podcast on the media supported by indeed dot Com. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates the at indeed dot com slash podcast that's indeed dot com slash podcast terms conditions and quality standards apply this is impeachment daily podcast from WNYC. I'm Brian Lehrer. This is Wednesday October sixteenth every single candidate daily podcast we'll help you understand the political twists historical context and legal stakes at the heart of the impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump. I'm Bob Garfield and I so endorse Brian Lehrer. He's ongoingly violating his oath of office abusing his power we have to impeach president and majority of Americans not only support impeachment they support removal of those shoved aside and told to lie low on Ukraine even though Ukraine was part of his job so that the shadow foreign policy team including an actual US foreign policy the parade of witnesses this week is intended to see how direct the evidence is for the Quid Pro Quo Ping yet think about how slow the Muller Investigation felt right this Ukraine investigation is absolutely flying right now and team trump can are has been beloved by listeners for decades as an astute observer and conscientious broker of daily events his new show impeachment introduce you to a new show that's being made by the team who worked next to us at WNYC for those of you far from New York City Brian Lehrer place and second there are so many names to get to know in the last few weeks including a new one testifying before Congress every single day this week so we'll see art control it they are losing the PR war every day right now as one government official after another sounds the alarm about something terribly rotten taking to hurt Hillary Clinton and to boot trump seems to have bribed or storied his way to Ukrainian collusion by offering of all things changes that was on last night's debate stage now supports the houses impeachment inquiry it's one of the issues where they stand fully united and of course the impeachment news has continued if people remember the main plot trump asked Ukraine to collude with him on political interference to her Joe Biden after two years of denying that he colluded with Russia the money yesterday was by a senior State Department official in charge of Ukraine policy named George Kent One of these new names who said he was one State Department officials for excuse me former and current State Department officials who are all contributing a little bit of knowledge to this idea that the State Department was at the heart our guest on impeachment today is New York Times Justice Department correspondent Katie Benner Hi Katie thanks for doing this nice to have you on today Nice to be here the to develop over the last twenty four hours I'm thinking two things today the pace of the new revelations is breathtaking and it isn't stopping when you try to introduce you to these people and their place in the story but we promise not to lose the forest for the trees justice will take place only not Giuliani could really run things where do you see George Ken testimony fitting into the big picture said George Ta Kens testimony is part of this mosaic being put together by former art of the president's attempts to get personal things for himself using the levers of government you know we should probably take a step back and remember again why the station department is so important its primary function to further the policy political national security and military interests of the United States these force to work with other countries and hi to find ways to get what we want in a way that helps other people as well but first and foremost what is going to benefit this country in a national security also help him and they're each contributing a little bit to that picture and George can actually contribute pretty powerfully to it by saying that even so he was an expert in this area even though he should be running and helping contribute to conversations with Ukraine there's something about him about the way that he wanted to the government I then made him unappealing messenger and instead three other people who were more in line with the president the scheme and Fiona Hill former trump Ukraine expert and via Fiona Hill's testimony national security adviser John Bolton who was also shoved aside quat points here is that it's getting harder for trump to hang the revulsion with his Ukraine scheme on some kind of anti-trump deep state so I'm curious ride in favor of this Rudy Giuliani crew and now George Ken when it's so many people who trump appointed and these are all trump appointees I think one of the big agenda would take over and we've now heard similar stories from Maria von the former trump ambassador to Ukraine fired to enable close to her I'm sitting right now these closed door meetings where lawmakers are gathering a lot of information we only know a tiny little bit of the remember over at the White House they have not yet come up with new talking points it's really fascinating to watch how you have on one hand over on Capitol Hill for not in a military in a policy way and what they're all saying is the president decided this very very powerful lever of the US government could do you think we're seeing the deep state defense crumble before or is this very week well it's interesting the deep state defense is crumbling quickly for a lot of people of course you have to portrait of the president and essentially his fixer Rudy Giuliani. Today's Witnesses Michael McKinley another new name to the General Public Mckinley mation dribbling out too fast they're always on their back foot and then to some of the old messaging not only does not apply in this moment like the deep state defense it's clear that inside the White House there's an almost an incoherent response to what's going on because they're having a really hard time to your point earlier controlling the messaging too much things that they're being told these witnesses were coming testifying for hours and hours and hours down Pennsylvania Avenue over at the White House they do not know what's happening and more about the things that pompeo might not have already publicly said we do know that he's going to tell lawmakers that he was for a longtime concerned resigned and this is quite a story if you haven't heard it yet folks McKinley resigned suddenly last week as a very top aide to Secretary of state POMPEII now We know that Pompeo was on the call with Ukraine and that he originally did not want that known so McKinley is extensively the kind of figure who would know a lot more ambassador to the EU now the EU does not include Ukraine so that's not officially been in his portfolio but he was very involved with Rudy in the pressure of them had their careers derailed including Marie Yovanovic who was the former ambassador to Ukraine and tomorrow it's Gordon Sawn Land that people at
007 - Hunter McKinley - Apps for an AirPods-Oriented World
"Hi I'm your host Dave camp and this is future ear radio each episode. We're breaking out one new thing one cool new findings that's happening in the world of the World Voice Technology Power these worlds starting to intersect the second hour these worlds collide. What cool things are gonNA come from this intersection of technology without further ADO? Let's get on with the show all right so I'm joined here today by Hunter McKinley of Yak Hunter. Tell us a little bit about who you are what you do. Hey Man I'm glad to be here Yeah like you said. My name is hunter. Kinley I am the CMO of Yak. Which is the chief marketing officer So I do for anything that you see see public facing whether that's obviously podcasts. Or blogs social media and. I think you're most interested in airplanes APP store which is what I recently came out with But Yeah Lights. Yak is basically snapchat for businesses When you're in a remote team it's really hard to get on zoom? Call the schedule schedule. especially if there's different time zones so we built an APP where you can send a message. SORTA like snapchat and then the the receiver can listen to it or quiet anytime that they want zoo. And that's really powerful especially You know it's just talking to some guys over at spotify They said they have a team in in Stockholm in London and New York City. Well there's only he's there's only about three hours of time where it works for everybody so that's like three pm in the afternoon for him and so that doesn't really work especially when you're trying to get decisions sessions made and that's what meetings are for so then you you find that teams have these work arounds where they're having meetings before the meetings meetings after meetings so we just cut out all the noise and you just send a quick voice voice message or screen message and that's you know that's so cool and you know for those that are listening. I've been playing around with a few of the different APPS that they've made so they made this one app B. R. B. An it's basically thirty seconds sound clips that you can send one another and it's fascinating to me because I'm thirty a hunter I think is your twenty four right twenty four. That's right and so but it's cool because it's like I'm seeing now entrepreneurs that came up with a lot of the technology technology that was play toys. You know in college so you mentioned snapchat. This APP it's built with snap kit. which is you know their developer kit? That you used is to build the tool. And it's just really interesting to see the way that these this wave of entrepreneurs is thinking about things where it's like. Why don't we take some of the things that makes snap really popular and converted into you know just like a subset of it so to your point you know? I think that's a really interesting point around with remote work. You know you have time zone differences and stuff like that so rather than trying to constantly nailed down a time to talk might make a whole lot more sense. You know I said said in a tweet. It seemed a lot like slack for voice messaging but I think your point of it being like a snap might even make more sense than that. Yes that's exactly right you know. We started beer B.. And basically a weekend Protestant makers festival. We're really close to the guys at products on You Know Yup started from a Protestant makers festival actually this time. Last year we won the remote category. It was the very first one. So you know last week Snapchat was holding one And we needed to build something you know. We have already ready to go and so we wanted to put something out to the marketplace and really help out And Use and utilize snap it. We've never done that before and so that's where. VR came out. You know we we wanted to have the consumer play because we already have the Enterprise Tom. What's really cool about about consumers especially young kids that they're really into voice messages? I challenge you right now. If you were to. If you were to go to twitter and type in voice messages you would see especially girls. They love it because they love when their boyfriends send them voice message It's really funny to look at and read the comments. But it's catching on you know in Latin America and and Asia Most people like with their families they speak to each other. They don't text each other. That's something that's really unique. United States is that we taxed. But it's catching on. We were just in New York City. Not too long ago and everybody has air pods and everybody's voice messaging so I think so we're we're really hedging the company on and everybody will be voice messaging and if not us then who that is really cool and and honestly like for me this touches on a big theme of everything anything that I've been writing about podcasting about which is like when we gradually moved to this era where you know call it voice. I call it the era audio. I whatever it is. I totally agree with you that you look at the way that the younger generations are using like the way that their messaging. It's a whole lot different than what I think. People that are thirty and above are doing which is traditional SMS text messaging And and I think it's of take all the different use cases that smartphone represents today so messaging for example. And you start to come up with how. How does that call it a job to be done? Or how does that particular use case. How does it translate into this audio curable voice? I first world right and I think that this is so interesting because I think you're right where it's like. I might be accustomed to sending messages right now but I could totally see that within two to three years it becomes the norm within subsets of the people that message with. Maybe it's my friends. Initially and then it evolves hopes to be the way that I message with my family but I could totally see that evolving into this idea. Where rather than just like texting because again you have have? There's more context that you can do in in voice message. You can convey sarcasm right in you can convey things in. I think in a more efficient manner through through your voice and so it makes a ton of sense for me to this idea of. You're walking around with their kids all the time. And you know messaging evolves into this idea where you're just kind of relaying messages to and from each other and I just think that's a really interesting idea. Obviously you guys are keen on this idea too. Because you're building this actual idea out. Yeah that's exactly right when when you put it in the context of remote worth right so if you're if you're hedging your bets like we are that the future of everything whether it's consumer consumer or enterprise is going to be voice. I If you look at remote work everything's Text I whether it's slack or or any of these But they all fail and that's very obvious that's why have zoom that's why you have You know for videoconferencing. That's why these things exist because to a certain point text exhales and so the problem with that is like if you have part of your most teams are hybrid. So part of your team is remote part of its person so the problem is that if I have a conversation with my co founder under Jordan who sitting right next to me or entire remote team now lose out on that conversation you can't search for no one knows what's happening and so now I need to then have that conversation and then go back into slack and then type it all up versus if I could share that directly into slack which is actually hopefully coming out this week then everybody's on the same page and when I was was talking with one really big thing that they said was that they had what's called historical context I was talking to their their head of grand partnerships. There Emily and she you said that over a thousand channels and slack and that's really important because if a new a new person comes into the into the company they're able to search and go back and see the old decisions that were being made without having to talk to somebody like you're not saying the same thing three times and so the way that we're thinking about it now is that if you're having every conversation and every conversation that you have is recorded and transcribed and it's all searchable within slack within skype. Then everybody has access to it and what are the possibilities that are commanded. So that's that's something that we're really excited by the by products of having everything that you're using with your voice recorded transcribed and put somewhere that everybody has access to. I think thick. That's so genius and I agree with you. I think that now we're really getting into this idea of you know so you have all this information. That's readily available and I think the evolution of that could intentionally be wearing the voice assistant onto it so that you have you know it doesn't necessarily have to be say Alexa. Google Assistant Siri like these top level master assistance distance. But you could envision even having Sort of like a pseudo micro assistant. That's a shoe that slack channels so that you know because because just like you said you can use this is being recorded. It's being transcribed so that you can basically take that information and you can call it up intelligently so you can say just like you said that for a new employee for example you know. Give me a like relay all of the conversations that were had a that pertained pertained to this client or something like that so that you're sort of taking a lot of that information that's already housed in there and it might be stored in disparate areas But I can kind of see how that evolves into a way where you're using your voice assistant to more or less retrieve and fetch a lot of that information again. If it's the scenario where you know a lot of this stuff might not even be in front of a screen you might be out and about and you still want to sort of get up to date with the information that you're currently digesting through screen you know through like the actual slack interface but if really all you're trying to do is get the information there that like fed to you in somewhere another. I could see how that kind of manifest in itself itself where you're using the voice assistant as a way to sort of retrieve that information. Yeah we're actually thinking about that in a couple ways But she already hit on one of them which is is or calling. I think it's I think we're calling smart roll ups basically if I if I have three meetings you know quote unquote meetings. I sent three messages to three different people that say my designer my co founder under and my developer and designer. Hey I want you to do this. I said it's my developer Ham reporting this book. And it's my co-founder said. Hey check out this proposal you know. Let's say eleven seven. Am when I'm done with all these no quote unquote meetings. I can get an email that ties directly into my task manager in our case we use Asana so it says hey I noticed that you mentioned To Jordan that you want him to look at the proposal. Would you like me to assign the Task Jim an OB. Just one click and that's something that you know if you're if I'm just having a conversation with him I'm an office. That's not possible with soon as you start to go remote I and use your voice and have it all transcribed in Knox's whole new set of opportunity sets the first thing thank You know using AI and smart assistance. That's that's one way that we're looking at it and the second way which is more excited about We're looking to partner with bows. Ah or focus is being able to go down the road and say you know Hey Siri Hey Alexa you know. Send send a message to Dave. We've and then it just does it. So now you're not even looking at your phone. You're not distracted off the road because now that you have the air pods or in those cases the QC thirty five of the seven hundred. It's you don't even have to. You don't have to look at your phone. It's it's a heads up this by almost so those are the things that we're really excited about. Those are things that aren't really possible with face as to face conversations and with zoom. Obviously you can have it. You know record and transcribe but it's just way too long and that's the beauty of Or Yak is that it's such short snippets You know and voice messages. It's thirty seconds and screen recordings. It's forty seconds so because there's such short snippets where able to do a lot more things than other companies are unable. You know I totally agree. So can you give me a couple examples. Maybe like a power user of how people are using Yak today like give me me an example of of a specific either a remote team Just a way in which you're like that's interesting. Maybe you didn't even see that coming like 'cause I find that it usually to be the most interesting stuff with startups is you know. It's like you kind of You you make a tool available and then your users run with it. It may be a direction that you didn't really Sort of see coming. Yeah that actually happened this week. Typically we see people in creative agencies use use Yak in ways where they don't have to go to the second floor you know if they're working in different floors no they're distributed company if they work in different buildings they don't Wanna walk over especially developers. They like to stay at their desks and keep on task and designers so that's that's kind of been our main use case however just this this past week I was talking to a media agency and they were using its onboard their new freelancers which is actually really cool because before they said they were using loom and it it was kinda getting clunky and download all these apps they they give me a laundry list of APPS that they've tried and they all just sort of failed in some way and what they really liked about Yak because the our desktop version hovers over screen at all times so they can be showing their screen and sharing their screen to the person that they're sending it to their freelancers and they're freelancers can then open it and then follow along screen too because Yak is always on top and so it kind of solves all the problems you switch between tabs and that's not something that we really thought about You know we've never we've on boarded using you know zoom skype limb. We've never really thought to onboard award freelancers using Yak. That's not something that we used it for But now that I've thought that I've spoken with this company. I mean it makes total sense. You don't have to download one APP. You can voice message. Communicate communicate screen share You know we've been talking to up work because they've been having the same problem is that they're they're messengers clearly having having problems mm-hmm so they they WANNA have some way and we've been talking with them partnering in that way too with freelancers. It's just a kind of a one off deal They're not typically so you don't typically speak to them every single day all day long. Where with a freelancer? You talk to them every now and then you want to share your screen. You onboard them So that's just some really cool fool ways that we've seen people using it recently that we really didn't predict that's not something that we've been using it for so it's been really interesting to see how people are playing it out you know what's so interesting about that is that you know I'm thinking about myself and I can't tell you how many times a day I'll get up and it's like you found this happy medium which I I've yet the to really find. which is you know? I work for small business but I'll get up throughout the day. I'll carry my laptop. I have a Mac and I'll just carry it over because I need to show somebody something on my screen so I have really two options. I could could send them screen shot and then I could describe it in the mail. What I'm trying to communicate or I could just get up and I could like walk over and be like okay? So here's what I wanted to show you and I could describe it to him because the picture isn't enough and so this idea of being able to do a quick like twenty thirty second screen recording where I can describe what I'm trained to do. That is really really powerful. And I mean I'm in a setting that is small office where I can get up and move around quite easily but like so like obviously it would would be really beneficial. If you're in a remote setting but I do definitely see where you guys are really coming at this from an enterprise standpoint. which is you know a lot of these tools already? The exists but like you know just like zoom for example zooms great for certain things but like when you really start to get into the subsets of like why like different things that you'd want to you know video conference and share screens and stuff like that. It really does make sense to have dislike real micro oriented tool. Yeah that's exactly right man. I mean like I like I was on before this you know. We started off as a creative agency. We've been creative. Agency for almost five years is now and one of the hardest things to do it especially with designers and developers is to share your screen easily that you can like track it So we've tried everything from jump. Share to loom. These things are awesome like we still use both of them you know basically every day But it just he gets a certain point it just fails like now now announced. Send you a screen share now I am clicking a button then clicking another button to start reporting then I'm clicking another button I'm coughing and basically into sly and they say no Lawson slack likes so with the the the beauty is that it's always on screen so I click. We try to get this under three clicks yet to open the APP Click. The person sent sent. That's what we're trying. That's the goal is to get as few clicks to just send it because otherwise you're just gonNa you're just going to get like you say get up with your laptop and go walk over but now when a remote remote setting everybody else on. Your team won't have access to that won't see the decisions that are being so. Yeah I I agree with you. It's it's been an interesting shift in habits because even though we're in office together some of us are in office some of us Like today I'm working remote. It's it's an interesting shift to try to go remote. I and everything even even if they're sitting next to you trying to make that shift so that we everybody has access to it. Yeah no that's really really cool so hunter as we wrap up here. Why don't you share with the audience of you? Know like where they can go to learn more about Yak where they can follow you. Just give everybody the rundown of how to learn more about you and your company. Yeah the cool thing about Iraq right now is it's in closed Beta so if you go to Yak dot chats. WWW dot yahoo dot chat You can go to our website and sign up but there's a referral. Oh so if you just put in referral code just say PODCAST you'll get all the way up the list. I think our list is almost twenty five hundred now so you'll go from twenty five hundred all the way up to the top I'll expedite you and you'll get an email from me and You'll get a message from me right away. So that's the way that you can find out more about yet and if you'd like to follow almost everybody on our team is super heavy on twitter Like I was telling you right before this are we got funding off of twitter. Investors are all off of twitter on twitter. It's been really good to us. So that's the best way so my name is at Hunter Moonshot And then the companies just at yet chat. Yeah cool well I will You know it's like a nice kudos bonus to All the future your listeners. Out there that you know you get bumped up to the top of the line You know if you want to try out just note about twitter. AKINA agree more. I mean people that have been following me for a little a little while. I've been very adamant that a I think twitter is like hands down the greatest networking tool on the planet. And I think it like is a little intimidating at first for people because it's it is a little bit hard to start curate a feed but like once you get going to your point lake it can lead to accompany getting funded because you made the right connection. It's truly an incredible tool just like just like with product man. It's all about the community. Twitter is massive but The communities within a very very tiny we joined the remote community and the voice community and we have never popped off more. I mean the people are just so willing to help each other. And and if you're into the here ables voice space there's a couple of people like Antler And like obviously yourself Colin Barnes. These people are really leading the way incur- eating these lists. You can get involved in these. Listen just leave comments man. They are so willing to teach in and give you advice. And that's that's how we've made every all this this happened. We're actually raising our seed round now again based off of of twitter so yeah agree more. It's so cool. All right hundred well thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. Okay thank you for everybody for tuning in and we'll chat with you next time cheers. Thanks for tuning in today. I hope you enjoyed this episode of future ear radio for more content. Like this just head over to future docto where you can read all the articles that I've been writing these past few years on the world's of voice technology in here ables and how the two are beginning to intersect. Thanks for tuning in and chat with you next time.
Stats & Eggs, 11/19: Takk McKinley, come on down!
"Good morning i'm rob stats guerrero. Today is thursday november nineteenth twenty twenty. Here's what's happening with your san francisco. Forty niners it was good news and bad news for the niners on wednesday. But since we're trying to start your day off right let's start with the good news first. The good news for the team was that they got some help for the outside pass rush after. They were awarded tack mckinley on waivers. Mckinley failed his physical the bengals last week which allowed san francisco to put another claim in on him and scoop him up assuming he can pass this physical and the usual cove nineteen tests. He can join his new team on monday now. Mckinley himself isn't a vaunted pass. Rusher after all he wouldn't have been available if he was but what he could do is allow. Eric armstead to move inside on passing downs. Which is where he was far. More effective in two thousand nineteen when he notched double digit sacks. I don't think this is a huge move for the niners but it sure is nice to be talking about acquiring someone to help instead of losing another player to injury now. Speaking of losing players. The bad news for the team on wednesday with a javon kinlaw was one of eric. Armstead's close contacts which places him on the reserve covid nineteen list with his fellow. Defensive lineman as you heard on yesterday's episode there are a lot of people that will probably have to be added to the covid lists in the coming days because of when they found out. Eric armstead was positive. Now hopefully everybody will be healthy and back in time for the next game against the rams on the twenty ninth but we just don't know that yet before we move on. I wanted to sneak in one sound. Byte here's kyle. Shanahan murph and mac on k. Mbr talking about the lack of production from the previously mentioned. Eric armstead align is a tough position with production. I mean everyone basis it off sacks and everything like that at armstead knows that and he wants to play a higher level. We want everyone to play at a high level but by no means is arms numbers. Mean that he's playing bad football. I mean eric defends around better than anyone. We have and was good as anyone. I've seen in this league love to get more production in the past game and stuff and eric's working to do that but it's also just not on him That's that's a whole group of guys and that's what's been different this year than last year. Because you know. I'm not sure we had a super bowl pass rush and when you lose bunch of the when you lose all your guys and you don't have the same depth you know not having bog. Losing solomon not having ronald blair. I mean there's there's a number of guys and that affects everybody. Thanks again kmby. Mbr one oh four five and six eighty for that audio everything kyle. Shanahan said a hundred percent correct but the problem isn't with what shanahan did say it's what he didn't say he didn't mention that. Eric armstead is now getting paid. Eighty five million dollars. And i'm sorry kyle. It ain't to stop the run. No matter how good he is at it. It's not all about sex but it's about them a little bit and when you make that kind of money you can't get out produced by kerry hyder. I'm sorry armstead has been a disappointment. This season i know lost people around him. But that shouldn't matter when you make that kind of money you're saying we believe you're the kind of guy that can get sacks without all world players around you and clearly this season it has not gone that way for eric. Armstead always give you something to read something to watch and something. You might have missed something to read on this thursday. It's the bye week so there's plenty of good material out there for you. Take a look at the week by week. Breakdown of jimmy g. In the niners offense that the athletic put out yesterday. There's a ton of stuff in there from earlier in the year that you forget as the season goes along but it's a good refresher to figure out where we are offensively something to watch. It has to be what i mentioned earlier. Who is going to end up on the covid nineteen list. And when look eric armstead was positive. He played in the saints game and then flew obviously on the team plane. Back to san francisco. There's no telling how many people will register as close contacts with him on the plane and kyle kind of pooh-poohed it in his presser on tuesday but we could be talking about a lot of guys javon. Kinlaw is just the first of what could be many to come now. Hopefully they all come back soon but there is a chance. San francisco could be missing even more players. Something you may have missed. Check out this tweet for matt barrels. The addition of tack mckinley will now make eight former first round picks who will play on the forty niners defensive line this year. Nick bosa dion jordan. Solomon thomas ziggy ansah. Javon kinlaw eric. Armstead d ford and tack mckinley. Now i just wish eight of them were actually good. That's gonna do it for this edition of stats in eggs. Please subscribe to the niners nation. Podcast network if you haven't done so already to get this show and every show we produce today the gold standard podcast will drop with myself and love and black and we're joined by jason ponti of just about every forty niners thing that's out there. He's got his hands on a lot of forty niners pies so to speak and we answered three key questions for the niners who is safe. Who is gone and who has a lot to prove on the stretch of this season. I'm rob stats carreira. We'll talk tomorrow.
S01 - This Kid Life #6 - Kid Scientists
"Sci He's asking the questions and rather than just accepting an aunt saw going out and finding what you can for yourself hello and welcome to this kid life these this kid. I'm Jennifer macy. This kid liked this kid. Live this kid life. Qinglong this kid life life is a podcast for kids brought to you by the Sydney Opera House where kids talk to us about the ideas today. We're talking talking about in this episode. We're going to make a kid who invented a technology to help women with cancer. It's part Medieval Ama- pot medical breakthrough and it's being tested with big radiation machines at a hospital in Sydney. Her experiment is also being written up in a medical journal. And all this before. This young scientists has finished school. The first let me introduce you to our panel of exports. You'll hear the voices pop up during this episode. So let's meet them. My name is Kevin I come from a Campamento and I am twelve years old. I I'm ten years old. Hi My name's Zoe and I'm Lebanese. Oh Hi I'm Sarah and I'm ten years old. Hi My name's James Laughlin. Another nine years old I name is Suzanne. And I'm ten years I am Richard and I am ten years old and now to where it all began for kids. Scientists McKinley Butson the mini Olympics of science slat. The science fair the Science Fair at the University of Woolen Gong Sarah now at the Science Fair. And we've had to do these experiments at school and we've had to do all other stuff which took a lot of time and I'm sure that happened to a lot of other kids too and and I'm just happy to say that lots of kids finished. I'm excited to go look at them. So it's a competition. I wouldn't call a competition. It's to have fun but also to learn new things. It's not also about winning. It's just like people try hotter than others and those people will have a better the chance but it's not really competition to me. It's just about being here and having fun. This is where the top science students in the region come to compete and possibly take home. I am a trophy for the best science technology engineering or maths project or as you'll probably hear a lot in this episode stem stem stands for Science Science Technology Engineering and maths. So my projects about mobile roller coasters and learning from your mistakes. So okay so we're interested in the subject of yawning and yawning isn't annoyed theory so rich Coffee Cup size hole tate the longest August out of the top prejudiced cool soggy week. Things we by the there are experiments testing the amount of gyms. And you'll house. Is that the toilet it or you're fine. My Name's Curtis was shot twelve years old. Well a found that a phone screen has the most bacteria and second was the pavement. Because it's true of Pu spit. Gross dispatch Syria. It's a homeland and foreign screen. Touches touches everywhere is almost always touching and has lots of bacteria. But don't make this think you shouldn't use your iphone. All surfaces touch foods that such grant because we have great immune systems which is like a warrior inside of you that stops disease. He's so why do these kids love science. I'm Jana vel am ten years old and Alex Science because it's fun to learn what happens and why it happens. WHOA I like how this or science or is like explains Everything Alex Science because he can involving chemicals and reactions and everything? It's good because you find out all these new things and it has many possibilities and it's just good to find out about the weld allowed. I think it's great 'cause nothing can be impossible. Site speed of light is impossible to reach but you never know someone could discover any limits of science limit. I'm lost. Canine ten years old and I liked sides because you you can do really crazy stuff like explosions and stuff too. You'd never think you could would be able to do Cow To it in the end black he can do all different stuff with it. And and what do you want to be when you grow up an engineer because I wanna be a creator of things I'll on Ebay a scientist or mass tables at the other end the basketball court so the oldest students in year eleven and twelve with seriously complex science projects. One of them is the superstar. Science whiz sorry sorry. My Name's McKinley Bautzen. I'm from Wollongong and I am seventeen years old not I lay. Has she won this science fair a few times. She's won first prize in the International Sants. Aunts competition in the United States. I've been going to your w science fair since you too since my very first project. It's something it's one of the highlights of my you. You know I I. I started doing science projects when I was in need to. My first project was a cute little project called. Can I make my own sunglasses. And it originally started because I felt that I didn't have enough pairs of sunglasses. It was a pair of sunglasses which used to polarize. I could adjust the darkness depending on how I was feeling really. McKinley was just named the New South Wales Young Australian of the year for an invention that helps women with breast cancer. It's Cold Smart Ama- and it looks a bit locked. Fancy dress nickless with pieces of copper metal leaves that overlap. Cute little boxer. He it's flexible. So this is this this guy. Oh my Alma McKinley. Put It on a headlight. Earn Post Sophie's but how it works is to help protect women who are getting radiation Asian therapy for breast cancer so it looks like scales. I can imagine fish scales and it's made out of copper so it's a very Brosse Cola unquiet shining. It looks good luck and Amadeo show. Oh no wait a minute. A pangolin show you know that funny skyline mammal that lives in some parts of Asia and Africa. We Scales Everett's back. They're all overlapping scale. So they can conform to the breast. And you can squish them together or you can lay it over to conform to any Different shape whether that be a square or whether it be the irregular shapes of of women's breasts and they connected to a chain they have holds at the top of each of the different scales and wave them together With a little loop basically and connect them all together to make a shape shape and you made this by hand. Yes this was all made with my hands and two sets of plies. McKinley has been lucky. Enough to test the Smart Ama- at the Chris O.. Bromley pass pass a hospital. That's specializing cancer treatment. In Sydney the machine is a big scary thing. When you first walk into the room? And he's a bit intimidating basically there's a bed that the women would lie down on this machine Sort of looms over the top of them. It's it's hard to explain. But it's basically a giant L. L. which moves around them and can twist and turn for the different radiation types in so testing is it hasn't been tested on humans yet. It's been tested on something being which is called an anthropomorphic phantom which is a very big word but what it is is it's made out of material called solid water which is an ice but It's as close to the human body as we can get and so it has all of the internal structures of a human and so it's basically the next best thing to testing gonNA real person and you can test then how much radiation is gang throws. Yes so We Li- underneath the shield. A piece of Radio Gaffe Comic mkx film which another big fancy word. But it's basically if you can just imagine like a camera fill and what happens is when it is exposed to the radiation it changes from very light green to a Dhaka grain depending on how much radiation it has been exposed to and so and why did you choose copper. If you go to the the dentist you get a lead apron over the top of any x-rays and so I was originally thinking that I was going to be having to make out of lead but I decided to test multiple different types ops. Metal scientists did Aluminium copper lead and stainless steel. And what I was finding is that copper was actually twenty percent more effective than the lead at the skin surface And the skin surface is one of the most ancient sensitive parts of the body. And so I was incredibly surprised. I actually thought that I was doing something wrong. In my experiments because it's so accepted accepted that lead is what you use and so you know. I rented my experiments a couple of times and was still finding that copper was more effective than leading. So that's what led me to using this material. Where does the idea come so it all started with a conversation at the dinner table? My Dad does work in this field and the field of medical physics. He works with treating being cancer patients in radiotherapy and it started with a conversation at the dinner table in so dad was mentioning issues and I personally couldn't understand why this who is an issue. I couldn't win. Women undergoing radiotherapy breast cancer treatment. There's some side effects of treatment and so this can include skin burning and the chance of another cancer forming and so. I really couldn't understand why this was happening and I wanted to do something to be able to help these women. So what do our panel of experts at Lansdale Public School. Think about McKinley Kinley Butson and her invention. I threw absolutely phenomenal fantastic spectacular. Like the fact that it saves lives makes me feel really you mind. Learned that she made this and she was sixteen. It's very inspiring tonight that she can do anything that she really dreams of. And that tree must help people I like. How when she was having dinner with her dad and she was thinking about how she could would help breast cancer? Like she experimented with Smitty will times. I like how she thought of herself when she was little and she was. She said that she could be a scientist and now she is a scientist so she has has achieved her dream to be scientist. I think it's really useful because it reduces the chance of radiation in the other the breast which can save lives. I think is amazing because she has already Made a scientific breakthrough at the age of sixteen invention. Invention was interesting as she converted technology from the past to the future as we normally think that our future technology analogy is better than the past as humans develop every day. It's amazing how all auden technology can actually improve Elfi Of living longer her here like science. This is right. Yeah con say outside outside more. I'm more of a maths person myself I cover all subjects are like all of them including signs when it comes to science you can really they do anything. There's no right or wrong. And so I like how signs in science you can use your imagination and create stuff like being an engineer. 'cause it has this futuristic aspect and I think it can help lives like finding cures and I like in science inch. Everything makes sense like it. There's always an explanation for something. It's not really like confusing. Science expense. Our human mind and makes us think outside the box most experiments of come from creativity and curiosity. You WanNa find out what happens if something has something done to it. Have you done science experiments at home just for the fun of it but one time I tried to heat up plastic and it got very hot. I had my parents watching. I say it was okay. One time at home I would have cornflower on mix it with water and then it became this weird good that was solid and liquid at the same time. It's not exactly a fine but it's like black what's flick is like a substance when it becomes solid when you hit hard but then if you let seniors just like glide along you black it just sinks in is really really weird did but fascinated gear as she said I designed every day because I'm assess slime and I like to see it transport so do you make your own slime I mean school which has polyvinyl and and for act which is a laundry detergent and you Dissolve it in water and you just added gradually into the slide until it starts to solidify and once. I put a chip packer into the microwave. I took a turn. It like shrunk into this really really small pay by and I thought that was so interesting I just tested it out for the fun of it. I mean a scientist is like a detective and the Doctor Together because scientists neat are curious and There to solve things. You could could do things to help the world like getting making a plastic that would disintegrate very quickly because they're polluting the ocean DC that it's a big problem. Is that something that science could solve. Yes it's a big problem because or or the marine animals will die from it. I think a really big problem in the world is global warming. I think science can help that Using like efficient energy use fossil fuels and that is really bad. Why haven't people found out the I saw about what comes first the chicken egg? Why why McKinley Lee says being a scientist is a bit like being an explorer venturing out into the unknown and having to think creatively? Yeah exactly I mean I think science. He's asking the big questions and rather than just accepting an aunt saw going out and finding what you can for yourself but McKinley says it's hard for young people in science to be taken seriously. Ashley I find that people tend not to accept ideas. I think we're all these young. starry eyed idealists and one thing that I would really like a to be able to do is actually incorporate young people's ideas with the expertise of the older generations. This is something which we could really connect people who are order in the industry with these young people who have the idea to turn dreams into reality before we go. We're going to leave you with a super easy science experiment to do would harm with the help of your grownups. Of course I mean I mean you can let your grownups take part clarice and eight to make slam. You'll need shampoo of any type. Put Half a cup of Shampoo and a quarter of a cup of cornstarch in a bowl mix. Well add three drops of food. Coloring optional. Add One tablespoon of water and stir slowly Added five more tablespoons of Washer staring. Well off J. H.. One Nayed slime for around five minutes. Aw and you're done thanks clarice. That's all for this episode of this kid. Life a podcast for kids produced. She's by the Sydney Opera House. If you want more information about shows and activities for kids at the Sydney Opera House go to our website. The executive producer is bridget. Van Leuven Dom Evans is brilliant. Audio Engineer Sam Arneses. The production assistant and theme song was composed by Peter. Day Saint a special. Thank you to McKinley Butson. And all the kids at the two thousand Seventeen Illawarra coal science fair plus a big shoutout to panel of experts at Lands Val Public School and thanks to clarice for the slime recipe. I'm Jennifer macy. Thanks for having me and see you. Next time at the Venus impose.
Death of U.S. President William McKinley / Constance Baker Motley born - September 14
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Y. here everyone technically, you're getting two days in history today because we're running two episodes from the history vault, you'll also hear to host me and Tracy Wilson Hope you enjoy. Welcome to this day in history class from how stuff works dot Com and from the desk of stuff you missed in history class. It's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with quick look at what happened today in history. Hello, and welcome to the podcast I'm Tracy v Wilson and it September fourteenth us. President William McKinley died on this day in nineteen o one after being shot on September sixth of that year. Shot McKinley was at the Pan American Exposition in Buffalo. New York at the time, Buffalo is one of the largest cities in the united. States. Thanks to its position relative to both the canal and the major railroads. As another bonus. It was very close to Niagara Falls to become a major tourist attraction. McKinley had been reelected in one, thousand, nine hundred and he wanted to attend the exposition which had been postponed before due to the Spanish American war. These expositions highlighted a very particular idea. Of American progress it really showed off the United States is a place of innovation and culture, and those were among the reasons why McKinley wanted to be there. He also wanted to have a lengthy meet and greet outside of the Temple of music at the exposition. This was against the advice of his advisers who were increasingly worried about the threat of an assassination especially after the assassination of Umberto Primo of Italy on July twenty, ninth of nineteen hundred. McKinley was in the habit of having these handshake appearances after his speeches and addresses, and he just refused to give them up all his team could do was to add more security. They could not convince him not to do it. So the president was shaking hands on September sixth when twenty, eight year old Leon Togo's shot him twice foregoes was an anarchist he was inspired by that assassination in. Italy and he believed the McKinley was an enemy of the American people and that McKinley was doing what was best for the rich and powerful while ignoring the needs of the working class jogos at actually plans to assassinate. McKinley, the day before when he got there wasn't confident that he could make his shot. So he tried again at the public receiving line with his gun concealed in a handkerchief. One of the two bullets that he fired was deflected by a button on mckinlay's clothing and the other hit him in the abdomen. Security and the crowd turned on chill goes when this happened. McKinley. Though called out for him to be captured and not harmed. The president underwent surgery at the exposition hospital. They did not really have a surgeon on staff the doctor who did this procedure was a gynecologist named Mathew Man. Sues before the development of modern sanitary surgical procedures man basically felt around inside the president's bullet wound with his fingers he couldn't find the bullet and sewed the president's wound up. For several days after that McKinley seemed to be improving he collapsed on September thirteenth 1901 and he died the following day. Vice President Theodore Roosevelt had comes a buffalo after the shooting, but he had gone back to his family vacation because it seemed like McCain was going to pull through. He came back to buffalo and was sworn in as president about thirteen hours after McKinley death stiffer that window of time there was technically no president after an autopsy the cause of the President's death was determined to be an infection and gangrene. After a funeral in Washington DC mckinlay's body was returned to his hometown of Canton Ohio Togo's was tried for murder and sentenced to death, and before his execution he said quote I killed the president because he was the enemy of the good people. The good working people I am not sorry for my crime. I am only sorry I could not get to see my father. You can learn more about the assassination of President Mckinley as well. As other presidential assassinations and the November Ninth and eleven twenty, fifteen episodes of Steffi missed in history class, which are called New York. Super Week live assassination history parts one and two, and those was episodes. We interview author Bryan Young about his book a children's illustrated history of presidential assassinations. You can subscribe to the stand history class on apple podcast Google podcasts, and wherever else you get your podcast you can tune in tomorrow for some folks wrecking. For Fun and profit. 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Her parents will be Alva- Baker and reveal Baker immigrated to the united. States, from the island of Nevis. Constant his father worked as a chef at a private club associated with Yale University but their family was one of modest means. Her mother founded the new haven chapter of the N. Double ACP. Though there were a ton of black people in new haven when she was a child constance learned about black history through her church. In, high school she became more interested in politics, race relations law and black history. During this time she served as president of the city's youth counsel and secretary for new. Haven's adult community center. When she was fifteen years old, she decided she wanted to become a lawyer. She graduated with honors from New Haven High School in Nineteen thirty nine but she could not afford to pay for her college tuition. She began working for the local branch of the National Youth Administration, a job she got thanks to her administrative skills and experience in public service. After a philanthropist named clearance blakely heard her speak at a meeting. He offered to pay her way through college and Law School. She took up on the offer and she went to Fisk University then transferred to New York University where she graduated with an economics degree in nineteen forty three. Years later she graduated from Columbia University Law School. Constants. Later said that people did not leave she would be successful in the legal profession. But in her last year of law school, she was selected to be a law clerk birth thurgood Marshall, the chief counsel of the N. ACP legal defense and educational find or the L. D. F.. Over the years Marshall would become a mentor to Constance. At the time the L. D. F. was challenging the separate but equal standard that said public accommodations could be racially segregated as long as the facilities were equal. In nineteen forty six, she married Joel Wilson Motley, a real estate insurance broker, and they later had a child. She stayed at the L. D. F. for twenty years becoming assistant counsel, and then later the organization's principal trial lawyer. When she was principal legal counsel. She worked on civil rights cases that involved ending discrimination in education, housing employment transportation, and public accommodations. She prepared the draft complaint for the case that turned into the landmark. Supreme Court case Brown Versus Board of Education in which the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the L. D.. And Motley would go on to appear in state and federal courts around the country to argue cases on segregation issues raised by Brown be bored. She played an important role in many losses. The N. double ACP in major cases that coincided with the emergence of the civil rights movement. From nineteen, Fifty, eight to nine, hundred and sixty five motley was also a member of the New York State Advisory Council on employment and unemployment insurance. After the death of activist Medgar Evers with home she had worked closely she resigned from the L. D. F. and turned to government work full-time. She served out the unexpired term of New, York State Senator James Watson, and won reelection in nineteen sixty four. In office, she remained focused on housing employment education. In nineteen sixty five, she was elected president of the Manhattan borough becoming the first woman to head any of the five boroughs. and. The next year president. Lyndon B Johnson named her a judge in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York. Conservative. Judges and politicians protested this appointment but she was sworn into office in September of Nineteen Sixty six. Motley died of congestive heart failure in two thousand and five throughout her career in law and politics she was recognized for being a respected. And being dedicated to fighting for desegregation civil rights, demonstrators, other issues of racism and discrimination and matters as varied as first amendment protests, rights, and sex discrimination. I'm coat and hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday. If you have any burning questions or comments to tell us, you can find us on twitter instagram and Facebook at T. D.. H. podcast. Thanks for showing up. We'll meet here again tomorrow. For more podcasts from iheartradio visit, the iheartradio APP apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hi I'm David. Bluff. And I'm Steve Schmidt we're the host of a new podcast called battleground. 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Theodore Roosevelt and the Round-Robin Letter Incident
"Hi there I'm Zach Braff. Donald face on we're real life best friends. We met playing fake life. Best Friends Turk and J D on the Sitcom scrubs twenty years later. We've decided to Rewatch the series one episode of the time and put our memories into a podcast. You can listen to it home. We're going to get all our special guests friends like Sarah Chalk. John C McGinley. Neil Flynn Judy. Reyes show Creator Bill. Lawrence Editors Writers and even prompt masters would tell us about what inspired the series and how we became a family. You can listen to the podcast. Fake Doctors Real Friends with Zach and Donald on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts. History versus is a production of IHEART radio and mental floss. Roosevelt has been in the news lately. Not The president but the ship named for him. There's no question that the novel Corona Virus has radically changed the lives of millions of people around the globe as medical professionals fight to save lives and overcrowded hospitals and as delivery people in Grocery store employees had to work every day to make sure we have the supplies we need many non essential workers have stopped going into their offices and are instead working from home to try to slow the spread of the virus. I'm recording this episode of the podcast in my closet because close muffled echo so if things sound a little weird or different that's why even navy ships have felt the effects of the virus. Perhaps none more so than the USS Theodore Roosevelt a Nimitz class nuclear powered aircraft carrier that was launched in Nineteen eighty-four. The ship was at sea in the Pacific Ocean with more than four thousand crew members on board when cove in nineteen began to appear among the sailors. After the outbreak started the ship was docked in Guam but the disease continued spread alarmed by the situation. The ship's commander Captain Brett Crozier wrote a letter to senior military officials. He pointed out that in the cramped conditions of a navy ship social distancing and fourteen day quarantines. We're not possible which meant crozier wrote that. The spread of the disease is ongoing and accelerating he asked that the USS Theodore Roosevelt's crew members be allowed to disembark in Guam to the rapidly deteriorating situation writing removing the majority of personnel from deployed US nuclear aircraft carrier and isolating them for two weeks may seem like an extraordinary measure. This is unnecessary. Risk keeping over four thousand young men and women on board the TR is an unnecessary risk and breaks faith with those sailors entrusted to our care he ended by writing. We are not at war sailors. Do not need to die if we do not act now. We are failing to properly take care of most trusted asset our sailors the letter which crozier email to senior military officials was leaked to the San Francisco Chronicle and published on March thirty first then acting secretary of the navy. Thomas Bee model removed cruiser from command April second as crozier disembarked. The aircraft carrier sailors cheered him from the deck Captain Crozier who has reportedly tested positive for cove in nineteen was forced out because according to the New York Times Molly had lost confidence in Crozier's ability to command the ship effectively as it dealt with the evolving crisis after crozier sent a letter on an unclassified e mail system to twenty to thirty people which mildly said caused unnecessary alarm about the operational readiness of the ship and undermined the chain of command after cruisers removal. Molly went to the US as Theodore Roosevelt to assess the situation where he made disparaging remarks crozier which were leaked to the public under pressure. Molly resigned on April seventh. The actions of Crozier mildly and the Navy are obviously being hotly debated and there will probably be more developments between when I record this episode and when it goes out. I'm not an expert in the navy or in the military chain of command so it doesn't feel appropriate for me to dig into any of that here but the current news does give me the opportunity to discuss an interesting historical precedent for this situation. One that involved Theodore Roosevelt himself. I'm your host Aaron McCarthy and in this bonus episode of history versus. We're going to look at the round robin letter incident of the Spanish American war during and after the siege of Santiago one of the last major operations of the Spanish American war. Us troops stationed in Santiago. Cuba were beset by malaria and yellow fever. Thousands of men were sick and dying but the McKinley administration planned to keep the troops in Cuba until peace talks were over and until they were healthy. According to some sources there was a real fear that six soldiers would come back to the states and start a yellow fever epidemic. But the situation was growing untenable and near the end of July General William shafter commander of the Fifth Corps gathered all of his commanders to discuss it. Roosevelt later recalled in his autobiography that. Although I had command of a brigade I was only a colonel and so I did not intend to attend. But General informed me that I was particularly wanted and accordingly. I went as Edmund Morris wrote in the rise of Theodore Roosevelt's all agreed that it was critical and that the war department's apparent unwillingness to evacuate. The army was inexcusable. Somebody must write a formal letter stating that. In the unanimous opinion of the Fifth Corps staff further stay in Cuba would be to the absolute object. Lewis ruin of the fighting forces. None of the regular officers wanted to risk his career by writing such a letter and suddenly the reason. Roosevelt's presence had been requested became clear. He was a volunteer. Who had quit his post as assistant secretary of the navy in order to fight and he intended to go right back to being a civilian. After the war he had much less to lose by offending his former boss. President William McKinley McKinley Secretary of war Russell Alger to incur. The hostility of the war department would not make any difference me whereas it would be destructive to the men in the regular Army Roosevelt later wrote. I thought this true and said I would write a letter or make a statement which could then be published Theodore. Roosevelt obviously wasn't afraid to speak up. Theodore. Roosevelt wasn't afraid of anything except inaction as Alfred. Henry Lewis would write a Roosevelt in nineteen ten. Mr Roosevelt has often shown that it is better to do the wrong thing than do nothing at all. The best thing is to do the right thing. The next best is to do the wrong thing. And the worst of all things is to stand perfectly still. We'll be right back in an effort to spur the McKinley administration to Action and bring American troops back to the states before they were decimated by yellow. Fever plan was hatched. Roosevelt would write an initial letter addressed general. Which would then be followed by a round robin letter? A method typically used to conceal the identity of the ringleaders of a movement which would be signed by Roosevelt and the other commanders. Then they would leak those letters to the press in his letter. Roosevelt wrote that to keep us here. In the opinion of every officer commanding a division or brigade will simply involve the destruction of thousands. There is no possible reason for not shipping practically the entire command north at once. All of us are certain that as soon the authorities of Washington fully appreciate the condition of the army. We shall be sent home. Roosevelt noted that in the Cavalry Division. At least there were no true cases of yellow fever but there were fifteen hundred cases of malarial fever. Hardly man has yet died from it he wrote but the whole command is so weakened and shattered as to be ripe for dying like rotten sheep when a real yellow fever epidemic instead of a fake epidemic. Like the present one strikes us as it is bound to do if we stay here at the height of sickness season. August and the beginning of September corentin against the malarial. Fever is much like quarantining against the toothache. If we are kept here it will in all human possibility mean and appalling. Disaster for the surgeons here estimate that over. Half the army of Kerr during the sickly season will die. The men were unable to penetrate into the interior and moving them around the island. Roosevelt said only sick in them. Further to delay sending the men home was not only terrible from the standpoint of the individual lives lost Roosevelt wrote but it means ruined from the standpoint of military efficiency of the flower of the American army for the great bulk of the regulars are here with you. He closed by saying that. I write only because I cannot see our men who have fought so bravely who have endured extreme hardship and danger so uncomplaining Louis Goto destruction without striving so far as lies in me to avert a doom is fearful as it is unnecessary undeserved Roosevelt's fellow commanders. Then signed their letter which noted that they were all in agreement that the army must be moved at once or Perish. Adding as the army can be safely moved to now. The persons responsible for preventing such a move will be responsible for the unnecessary loss of many thousands of lives are. Opinions are the result of careful personal observation and there are also based on the unanimous opinion of our medical officers with the army who understand the situation absolutely. There are different accounts of what happened next. But according to Roosevelt he wrote his letter and an Associated Press reporter tagged along when he went to give it to general shafter who promptly push it into the hands of the reporter. As Roosevelt later recalled. I presented the letter to General shafter. Who waited away and said I don't want to take it. Do whatever you wish with it. I however insisted on handing it to him whereupon he shoved it toward the correspondent of the Associated. Press who took hold of it and I released my hold. Something similar happened with a round robin and when the letters the press they caused a sensation the McKinley administration was incensed by the letters. According history and Louis L Gould. The day after the letters were published. Mckinley wrote a letter to shafter. Denounced th round robin as most unfortunate from every point of view adding the publication of the letter makes the situation one of great difficulty. No soldier reading that report ordered to go to San Diego but will feel that. He is marching to certain death. According to Morris some within the administration even suggested court-martialing Roosevelt for his letter the administration had reason to be rotated on August. Third the day before the round robin hit the press. Algebra Haddish in order for the army to be moved back to the United States which meant that many newspapers printed Roosevelt's letter right next to an announcement that the troops were being brought back to the public. It looked the Roosevelt's letter and the Round Robin had forced the McKinley administration to act which wasn't the case by August seventh. The first troops were heading back to the states to quarantine in Montauk on Long Island New York. Nothing ever came of the suggestion to Court Martial Roosevelt. Instead Secretary Algebra published a private letter in which tier bragged about the rough riders performance. Saying they were as good as any regulars and three times as good as any state troops while Algebra might have hoped that the letter would threaten tears. Chances of getting the governorship of New York. His tactic failed. Roosevelt returned to war hero. He became governor and then vice president and then president. He didn't however get the one thing he desperately wanted the medal of honor. Those simple leave. He was denied the honor because of the publicity stunt he had pulled as Mitchell Yochelson writes for the National Archives pro magazine. There's no evidence for that exactly. Why the BREXIT Board Denied Roosevelt? The award is not officially documented. Yochelson rights certainly. No evidence exists to support the contention. That Algeria held a grudge over the round. Robin Affair or Roosevelt's testimony to the Congressional Committee on the contrary letters from the Word Department to Roosevelt indicate that they were more than willing to assist him in getting the Medal of honor. One can only assume that the BREXIT board came to the conclusion that the Roosevelt contact in Cuba was quite admirable. He was not worthy of a medal of honor later. Roosevelt would write that. I was recommended for it by my superior officers in the campaign but I was not awarded it and frankly looking back at it now. I feel that the board which declined to a word. It took exactly the right position around a century after his experiences in Cuba tier would finally be awarded the Medal of Honor. Back to the present day. We've talked before on this podcast about how it's impossible to know how tr would have reacted to situations today in this case however one of Roosevelt's descendants has a different opinion in a piece for the New York Times to Roosevelt tr. Grandson and chairman of the Theodore Roosevelt Institute at Long Island University wrote about Captain Crozier and the situation on the USS Theodore Roosevelt as a descendant of the namesake of Captain Crozier's former command. I often wonder in situations like this. What Theodore Roosevelt would have done tweet? Roosevelt wrote in this case. Though I know exactly what he would have done in eighteen ninety eight. He found himself in almost the exact same position. In this era when so many seem to place expediency over honor it is heartening that so many others are showing great courage some even risking their lives. Theodore Roosevelt in his time chose the honorable course. Hampton crozier has done the same before we go. I want to say a huge thank you to the medical professionals and the essential workers who are out there risking their lives for us into all of the history versus listeners. I hope you're well and safe and healthy. Please hang in there. We'll be back soon with another bonus episode history versus history verses is hosted by me. Erin McCarthy this episode was written by me with fact checking by Austin Thompson. The executive producers are Aaron McCarthy Julie Douglas and Tyler Clang the supervising producer is dylan fagin. The show was edited by Dylan. Fagin and low Berlanti if you want to find out more about this episode and Theodore Roosevelt Visit Mental floss dot com slash history versus history versus is a production iheartradio and mental floss For more podcasts from iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hey Everyone Jake Brennan from the Award Winning Music and True Crime. Podcast disgrace land. I WanNa tell you about a special bonus episode released on Joe Dodig. The gun toting mullet wearing poly-amorous subject. The hit Netflix series tiger king. Joe was more than just an accenture. Conmen could sing and as a singer. Joe's voice belied the tortured. Everyman experience some of the best country crooners hinting at a deep trauma resulting from unspeakable loss and violence. Most of which was for the most part left on the cutting room floor of the popular. Netflix series is on full display in this episode of disgraced. So if you've binged every episode of Tiger King in need just a little more joe exotic in Your Life. Make sure to listen a disgrace. Land on iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts.
197: Is your brand and its content binge worthy? A chat with Sterling McKinley
"This is the business storytelling podcast with Christopher. Tra- available on Google, spotify apple and Dora and other podcast channels want to play it on your iphone. Just ask Siri to play the KRISTOF trap business storytelling podcast also available on Alexa. Here's Kristoff today's episode. Business Storyteller Christoph, trap, your host, and author of contents performance culture. Now, available content performance that come in today I'm going to talk about binch worthy content bench, worthy branding, of course bench. binging anything comes in the context of watching something on. Netflix or. Whatever Amazon, prime video, and of course who wouldn't want their content their branding to be binge. Worthy. So who better to ask to come on the show as sterling McKinley, he's the author of the Book Bench Worthy Branding available on Amazon and everywhere else. You can actually just go to see trapped out online forward slash binge. Worthy. That will director Amazon. Easy to find that way where you can just search for sterling how's it going today I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. So, happy happy to have you on the show. So tell me what prompted you to think about The branding and what is that? Yeah. Well it's kind of a funny story. So I'll start off last year before the pain doing kit I was traveling from state to state and from country to country giving a talk and the talk I was giving called the feature of digital marketing a analytics. Automation and you know something just stuck I mean the talk win win great every hour. Go the crowds will be incredible. People be sitting on the floor and the aisles when I was done talking I had a receiving line of dirty forty people it was it was amazing and you know that went from city to city it just dawned on me like, wow, if people are responding this much to it, I should take everything not talking about putting in a book format so. That's kind of how I started next title been worthy. was kind of a a mistake I remember one day I was in the car, my wife driving in. A commercial. Commercial Kim on about something about binge watching TV or something like that. I said wow binge worthy and Kalaheo said you know we all WanNa make our brands been worthy. So the book I talk about how Amazon Netflix the starbucks are binge worthy brands, and by then I mean they create experiences are so engaging that are so enticing there. So customer focus their customers come back again against their brand. So thing about Amazon Amazon during this dependent lockdown is going up there making more money you know every I go outside my wife has another package coming you know because why? Because they're easy to do business And thinking about Netflix y'all are home watching a show. We know how there's a plan to watch one show and then want show becomes two, three, four, five full. You know what a whole season has gone. and. Then you know I think about starbucks. You Know People's Coffee Addiction Standing Alana works for twenty minutes. Why good you need the coffee and it's more than about coffee it's about the experiences starbucks after so offers. So the book about how to take some of those same principles about how to use. The personal brand to really build greater engage with your customers can once again when you being more personal when you talk to your customers as individuals neither group That's to create a real by that's going to help them come back to you again and again. Help digital marketing for your small to medium-sized. Reach out now and drop us a message, sc trap and G. Mail. Sterling not just your wife we get back. You're like every day from Amazon sometimes, I don't know that I even. Slave right. Super easy to deal with right. And more the Dunkin donuts got even though they're line is getting much longer. Well. So. But how do brands and then I'm thinking on the content side what brand comes to my mind who's been toward the end you know last year I, have to say this. Yeah I'm not doing any traveling really because the colon right everybody to stay. Or a lot of people are but last year I binge consumed the points guy appoints guy dot com I mean it was just like nonstop travel content, right? And other than that like how what brand comes to mind or how can brands. Stay in front of people and be actually binge worthy. Yeah well, you know I think it's easier than we think he would. Be So I mean there are a lot of brands think about chick-fil-a think about apple thinking about Disney Nike visa brands that always seem bid the forefront and I think it comes down to a few things that come out to wanted telling you a story. And not just telling a story but stunning story that really resonates with your wish assume it's so. These brands have become icons. Why? Because they more than your product? Damore just to service they become. Part of our lives. So you know in the book I talk about about Ai and AI is simply a tool. Multiple. And you say I think of the Terminator off the Matrix. Caves Hyphen robots and. That's just not true hopeless not but you these are just computer programs that can analyze information in data and find trends. That's it. Simply, just a tool. So you know one thing I do in this book, it trying to break down and say, Hey, is not this Gary Technology go take your job in. Your Life, but it's the tool and you know think about it every day we're using a power software thing about Google maps thing about watching that flakes think about shopping on Amazon, thinking about the the nest thermostat in your home these all tools using some form A. I. Think it's really really simple. We think about it and these tools are using a what kind of track our behavior the try to get an idea what we're doing and Affleck's new age. Now where instead of guessing what your customer wants said guessing, what they're doing is they're trying to go through tons and tons of data. You can use a our power software to help you analyze that data injured, you trends that. Your customers react to. So I think it's all about that, and then it's about taking those trends and then building those trans back into your marketing back into your branding. So. One thing I tell them on my book is personalization. For years even now people still think that personalizing emails having the city in the state. That's not enough customers of smart that now they can tell when the custom wouldn't accompanying using a software that seems robotic in assuming my email every day it's it's not real but I think a couple must do now is take that data that we're getting from analytics that we're getting from software, Ambil bill that end. So now your email should be more personal they should be talking to that person likes, and once again in the book I, go back to example of Netflix. Net flicks. Is Tracking our past viewing. Behavior and then showing the shows. US shows that are based on that past behavior. So I think companies have back this saying way stop guessing start using the data analytics idea of what their customers may like. It. You know it's interesting but I mean everybody's always worried about any technology taken your job. So really quickly I use automation daily and I'll tell you one thing if I had to ever change my title I would say I would call myself a supervisor of automation. Because even though it's automated, you still have to look exact whether it's doing it correctly whether whatever and the other thing is when it comes to net flicks. you know I like it I binge watch stuff on there. But it's not always correct. Yeah. Sometimes, it says roughly seven percent match and I'm like what I have not show. And, sometimes, it tells me to Walk Watch something, House that's ninety eight percent on. That's a chick flick run. I don't I don't like to watch them ever right right. So don't be too worried about that. But so how can how can people use a? What's the easiest way in the door to to use that to make your your brand bench? Worthy Right. Well, I think it depends what you're trying to do. So you know, I, like to say they I is not out about solution is not a one size, fit all an to say a can make mistakes he can't be off on the can't happen but Nacional book to that is not a set in forget it technology. You can't just buy the software Aaron no hit start and you'll change your business. It doesn't work that way it's good to give you information. Like. You just said you have to check that data to make sure that it's not biased that it makes sense for your customer. So The gift site I really say this find out what do you want to do? So I if your company that's new day I, it can be very scary intimidating you probably hearing something really big lackey in the press Lucien lack. Like I, Watson, Ibm Watson, something like that. So then called the tunnel money but I see start small say you know what? Hey, we have email campaigns. Let's use a I power email software that's going to help us increase aversion rates. That's easy way to start I think start starting small so your email if social media. Must again you know we can guess all day what content is going to work best. For audience or we can look at our analytics that are within. Our software like. INSTAGRAM and facebook. Or something like who, sweet, that's GonNa tell us what are the trends what are people responding to what times a day or the content, and then once again, take that information and build back into your marketing. So it really starts out how do you WANNA start? How do you WANNA start? You have a website. ECOMMERCE, you know the oldest ecommerce every homepage with the same, but you think about. Amazon that's kind of the game. Now, with I'd rather them they have a homepage that changes based on your behavior based on what you bought, what you saw so that same type of software is available for a smaller company. Would you can have a website if you're saw in commerce that changes based on? Your visitor based on logging information. So A it's like, I, say a Swiss army knife, what do you want us to do? I, Say I define your what would you want to do and then there are tons. There are hundreds of thousands of great software out here. Some that. Yes. In the process lucians in some a lot that are affordable that you can imply I. Think the first step is finding out exactly what he you to do. So we actually had a very good points We had the founder. Of, Raza Data I o on the show and check that out our ASA DOT IO. There's an episode. Back were almost two hundred guys if you haven't noticed stat so super excited about that. How many episodes we've had. An older awesome guests on there. But anyway so that's that technology. It's basically a I in email marketing right and what it does and you can listen to the show but really quickly. What it does I say this is the pool of content that I want you to draw from, and sometimes it's my content. Sometimes, it's other websites that it would link to, and then you have calls to action with the amount and then based on what the software knows about the audience and their behavior it sends them different emails, right? And so super easy to implement. Theoretically and I don't know what the price point is but there are tools out there that allow you to do that. What other tools sterling are you aware of that people should use or or what else email you mentioned Thad how about the website? Are there things on the website people should focus on when it comes to that or or what's the? What's the next logical step typically? Right for your website, I would say getting a chat is a really really important. So you know when a customer comes to website, they're ready to buy, and if they have to send email and wait for a response, they're not gonNA stop looking for another company got to go back to Google and they're gonNA do another search for another company and then you get back to. You you may still get them, but you know when somebody comes through website they already in their act. So I think chat bots are amazing There's automated chat bots, the economy just give basic information, and then there's power chat bots have more conversations so I think that's key there really captured those conversations were happening you something like like facebook they have a great shot buys well that you can integrate into your website. So I think for your website a chat Bot is a great way to go to really integrate I a into your into your website and I think you know we're talking about a guy we're talking about being personal but I it all comes back to. Having a awesome customer experience and you know I like to say that the new battlefield customer experience that's what it's all about in a guest people buying products and services. Yes. Companies competing brands by how your customer experience how is it houses for me to do business with your company. So I think really now you know consumers have been. In the way spoiled by companies like Amazon starbucks Netflix Chick-fil-a. They're expecting that same level of observers of being responsive from your brand so Like companies now are kind of force to really upgrade what they're doing. So I think chat bots are a great way to offer that that real time interaction with some is ready to interact with your company. And you know. See this is what happens when you got one hundred eighty episodes right already done we did have the drift content on the show. So drift actually is a champ by company and what's interesting about that is they're calling it conversational marketing. So take a listen to that and it's super interesting It's it's in the feet of course, and you know I know I keep mentioning it. It's also now available on Pandora Pandora podcast. And of course, all the other channels. So it's really here's my question for you. So I I'm trying to think, okay who am I been? Consuming right like what brand and things come to mind I mean apple I guess right I got. Air Pipe Rosen who recording on my iphone I got my head in front of me. I do actually have a computer screen Al Laptop, but not actually using them for this purpose. You know, and now now I recently my my own I Apple Watch broke. So Use Delta Airlines points to get a new one. But I want I want it that right I wanted the the Apple Watch not just another watch So am I binch consuming apple or is that not the definition? Yes I believe. So I mean, I think I've been thinking consuming large off content or services in a short period, but you know when they are really saying the book that is about. A relationship your customers and relationships aren't they only lasted day they'll last week or month their long-term. So I think what companies like Apple Awesome. They've critic ecosystem where there's I, tombs or Cloud or IPAD I MAC iphone everything and they keep you in that system. So yeah, you know what? I'm only by a MAC book every couple years. But so what I'm still in the system, I'm still using their platform so. You doesn't have to be lucky person everyday from company, but it's all about customer loyalty. So. You know all I by our MAC books are map pros. I had a few experiences in the past with PC's they data me from that day on you know what? I'm going straight without Max and I never left him since then so time I've only bought a link three new Max but once again, that's customer loyalty because you know thinking about thinking about apple and this is at companies have to be different in they have to be big on customer service right now there are so many different companies, online the great companies but my opinion, they have terrible customer service so good. A website is no phone number there chat Bot but guess what the Chat Bot is not man. So you gotta putting information hopefully three to six days somebody get back to you. You know sometimes I have a problem with my camera my came the camera I use a court, my podcast that's broken I. Wish I could cost the money in real time I. Wish I could go somewhere and talk to a real person. But apple has been called the genius bar she you know about and they had saved my but many times. My appeal was dead which I thought. You know what their talked face to face with a real person. They were able to take my appear in the back. You know I waited electronic store in Boston thing I didn't need and Loma holiday fix my laptop and not fixed it most simply fix it was free because it was still under warranty. So you know that's what I mean by that loyalty I don't buy a map book every day I don't need to, but I'll pay the higher price for their their computers because I know that last not only anomaly of they last I know they have support they have a problem I can call them I can text them I can email them to store or not back open. You know that's the kind of thing that builds customer loyalty an. I, think about if you're going into mall. When Moslem think. The, apple stores always crazy I mean you walk by and you lack man are the giving away free computers people are just in there. Why? Because apple had that strong brand people know they're getting a great piece of machinery at now in looks great that performs well and Apple. Once again to the great job of telling that story through the commercials, were there the website through the email everything once again, I'm drawn back again and again to apple because they have a really strong. Brand, and they have really good customer service. And what's interesting to just because we're been consuming any brand doesn't mean we have to love everything about him. I'll give an example this podcast you know, of course, it's distributor on all the different channels. Google. PODCAST spotify apple breaker or whatever it is the those are the ones and. A lot of traffic comes from apple podcasts. Here's the thing. I think it's the worst experience I think is like sticks I think it's terrible I don't use it. I Google podcasts at love that APP. So I hate that but then on the flip side I, I love play can say with any of these things go off. You know I could just go hey, Siri play the business storytelling podcast and they play it off the apple podcast right still. So interesting you know not everything has to be so black and white when you think about consumption, can we let's shift to? Content the content brand produces I mean part of bench worthiness also comes back to are you engaging with the brand right I? Mean you look forward to getting their content I mean is that How do brands do that? How do brands create stuff? That's not just superlative Vladan. Marketing Gobbledygook right. That's a great question ob us now for. Example you know once again, thinking about the home screen, you think about shows like orange in new black or think about shows like like now. They have live show stranger things thirteen reasons you know they'll destroy the bigger shows but you know if net flex looks at their their data, their customer and they got fine popular customers lack of show. They don't guess like traditional TV studios do movies do they don't guess was going to be a team show they look at the data and this I, know what we're finding Say Five hundred people the light to see strong female leads in a show the to show that are based in the city have a happy ending and they like seeing this actor actress they didn't take that data in a build a shore around it. So in a sense, they're billing content that's almost guaranteed to succeed. Now, sometimes, it doesn't the content phosphide, his face, but sometimes, the content does right well, why because? Before they start creating content, they looked at their customer said Hey. Our customers lack this less give him that. So that's what I mean. By Watson earlier, Stop Stop guessing you know we lose in a time now where Do to a technology with digital social weakened track so much on our customer. So we don't have the guest anymore. We should be recommending in creating content around that so. I want what you do that you kind of increase that radical slumped in. The person says, wow, the content that Iranian they showed this video. This song is based around what I already wanted while I'm already thinking about. So then I'm going engaged more with the content. So I, think that's a great way. Once again, going back to using a going back to looking at analytics looking at your data because it could tell you what topic you can create. So for a business, let's think about it. Okay fine you WANNA create content. Next question. What type of content is could be podcasts is it could be video is going to be white paper figuring that out but you figured out by looking at your website see what gets More is it the videos? The podcast is pediatrics whatever. So take the information, your customer, and then bill back in to your marketing branding. So once the I think we have to the aspect of creating content for our customers don't just sit down and computer does right article. You can do that and you can hope that a succeeds or you can have an idea. You can say, let me check I and the customer base life designed did been create content around that and I think that too is going to cut down on a huge problem. Our tiling is waste I. believe companies are spending millions in May the dollars per year. Creating by commercials bulletproof content that doesn't resonate with the customers when they go to step back and do the data do the groundwork first thing I'd say create that content that has almost guaranteed to succeed why because they know for a fact that people are resonating with that content? Of course, that's a cancer. Talk by lengthening content performance DOT COM guy. So check that out. If he still haven't gotten your copy, it's been sold in Asia Europe North and South America social listening on. Australia do me favor get your copy please so we can hit all the cabinets You know the one thing that sterling that I really think they need to add on net flicks is how sad you are when you're done watching twelve episodes working moms or whatever, and there's some shows it's like yeah, whatever. But there's some shows you know I'm done watching I was like that's it like I've watched thirty nine hours of the show role. Very. So like how do they measure that right that you know how do I feel when I'm done? Maybe. They look at the time in between the episodes I don't know very interesting discussion Certainly, it's easier said than done to create content. That's the bench. Worthy. Checkout Sterling spoke see trap that online bench worthy. It's all lower case. pushes you over to the Amazon Amazon page other than that Sterling Working People find you can people connect with you? Yes, I'm a website on sterling dot com is a great place. Also I'm all the major social media channels on facebook instagram twitter. Link Dan if you go to any of those platforms and you type in Sterling Mckinley, you can find me there in the best way to connect with me. Fantastic thanks for joining us and thanks for sharing your insights today. Great having. Thanks, everyone for listening. Until next time. Appreciate your taking time to listen to the business storytelling podcast.
Ep. 433 - U.S. Navy SEALs arrested in Haiti
"He doesn't just not using. You're listening to self lady special operations military on straight talk with the guys in the community. Safra radio on time on target. I would say I mean, quite a lot going on and special operations related news right now. And I feel like most of this audience knows exactly what I'm talking. Never dull moment. Yes. You've been following the news rap Fowler, Instagram, Twitter and involve some familiar name. So you wrote an article that went up yesterday as reporting this on the news rep dot com. I guess just for those not in the know, let's give the whole back story of what's going on right now. Yes. So this story started to break with Haitian newspapers and local Haitian journalists. And then it got picked up by the Miami Herald. Sensibly because they're so close to the Caribbean. And they probably have contacts down in Haiti. So they're kind of all over that story. And I think they did a pretty good job with it. But the the story that emerged was that a group of American and Serbian private security contractors were rested down in Port-au-Prince Haiti. This was just over the weekend. And when the police came and questioned them, I think they became initially suspicious because it was a pickup truck and SUV about a block away from the Haitian central Bank and it had the license plates removed. So that's an indicator all what's going on here. And then the police went, and they started asking them, then these oil white foreign guys, and they said they were working for the government, but they couldn't identify themselves, and it turned out they had all kinds of weapons and everything inside the vehicles. Pictures taken by the police show, all these m four rifles, and they they took these guys into custody because they can identify themselves. I mean, you can't fault the police for that. I mean, it seems reasonable that. There's a bunch of ours with vehicles of the license plates missing in vehicles filled with guns. You know, the police are going to take an interest in that. And to be honest. They stand out as white contract. Dominantly black for sure for sure. So it starts to hit the press the names start to start to come out some of the political people. The prime minister's office starts talking about how these are white terrorists and mercenaries and things like this. Some of the names that sir coming out. The one that jumps out to me or jumped out to me when I was looking like a blog. I think actually down in Haiti was Christopher Osmond. Okay. Chris Osmin was a navy seal. And then the Miami Herald picked up on another one of the names Chris McKinley. Who was formerly Chris Hebron of also former navy seal McKinley was seal team, eight and Osmond was seal team three, and you guys may remember changed his name after a you know, what you guys can do the research, but pretty much concocted story about getting shot by these park. It was a couple years ago. Chris Hebron at that time now McKinley he claimed that these three African Americans came by in a vehicle and started yelling racial slurs at him. And that it was because he bad mouthed Obama on CNN and then shot him in the abdomen, and then sped off in their car. And according to mckinlay's account, he like tried to plug the bullet wound gotten his car and start chasing after them. And then realized you know, OSHA, I'm shot actually, this doesn't feel so hot and drove himself to the hospital and the police refuted that they're like, well, this isn't shown in the security cameras from the nearby fire department the cellphone records from McKinley don't match up with where he said he was. And apparently I was reading new store yesterday. There's a police cruiser two policemen parked about sixty five feet away from where this alleged incident took place, and they're like why what are you talking about? So they charged him with making false statements to the police. And he was found not guilty in court. So you make of that what you will. And then there was a former marine can't Croker who works with Croker partners. Although Croker partners their website has this. Disclaimer up on it, and it says, although I'm looking at it. Now right here. Yeah. Croker partners LLC has no active engagements underway and Haiti is not in a position offer comments on recent developments in the country that said, despite the fact that they're chief operations officer was just arrested down there. This couple Serbian guys. One of them is a naturalized American resident so. He works for a company called k seventeen that I was doing a little bit of research on their downs based down in the Washington DC area. But what company was actually contracting? These guys. There was some sort of front. I maybe front company sounds a little too far east. But there was some sort of contracting company that they had to bid on the contract for an order to secure it. I mean that will all come out in the wash so backtrack a little bit. And speaking to my source on the subject what actually happened here was that these guys this group of guys had been hired by the Haitian central Bank. And if you pull down the article, you'll have to forgive my horrible French accent? But it is stop right there. The Bank della Republic, the Haiti Biard h which is it's basically the Haitian treasury department, and from what I've been told they hired these guys Osmond McKinley Croker and their associates to go down there and do VIP security to do like security consultations, secure like infrastructure type assessments security assessments, and to do armed security for city to city monetary transfers within Haiti so in this sense. Now, this is where you get into some of the grey areas. I mean, these guys were not down there running like some sort of five by night mercenary operation or coup or or anything like that. Like they have to look at it from their perspective. They look at it like, I'm contracting with the Haitian federal government. It's not like they're working for some criminal elements. So their minds everything's on the up and up. But here's the thing as it turns out, of course, is that your contracting with one faction of the Haitian federal government. It's not like you're contracting with the US government where we have a relatively normal remind federalized system where it's not like if you go and work for the Republicans, the Democrats are going to come in arrest you or if you work for a local state government that the federal government won't be in the know or something like that. Right. Right. And if you do a contracting armed guard work for the state of New York, it's not like the FBI is going to come in arrest you for that over some sort of like intro polit intro political feud that they have going on between the state and federal government. I mean that that's like the sort of banana Republic stuff that we don't have here in the United States, thankfully, but Haiti of course, I mean, it's a third world country. They are. Are destitute. It's impoverished corruption is endemic. I mean, I've talked to people I've never been there myself. I've talked to people who've worked security down there, including Jim west where security detail down there that was way back in the nineties, but I've talked to also a friend of mine who did a documentary down there. And it's just a deplorable situation. It's a really sad situation that the people who have down there have to live in. So that's just a little bit of context to that. And so the problem was for these former seals and marine when they went down there from what I've been told the central Bank didn't give them identification cards. The call. The Bank is Biard h the central Bank didn't give them identification cards and did not inform the local police, then tell them that they were there. So again from the perspective of the local police, you can't really fault them for for making this arrest. I mean, they were right to be suspicious. And once they made the arrest now. Now, these contractors are caught up in this the middle of this political feud because from what has come out through the Miami Herald looks as if the president's office hired these guys through the central Bank to do this extra security work. The prime minister on the meantime, the prime minister and the president or arrivals and hate each other and down in Haiti. And so the prime minister's office the second he sees this arrest using it for his political advantage. And he's saying these guys are foreign mercenaries here to assault to the executive office, etc. Etc. And that just isn't true. That's not what was happening there. So they get arrested on what on Sunday, I believe it was. And then yesterday they were all released and the the US embassy personnel escorted them to the airport and had them flown to Miami. And from what we saw because there's video of it on a regular commercial flight. Yeah. Correct. So I mean thank goodness for that. And I know Chris Osmin has this kind of weird obsession with with this company. And you know, we get into that just I'm just going to tire a touch upon it and the interest of full disclosure that he has had this long running very public feud on social media with Brandon Webb who is the CEO of hurricane and this audience knows Brandon because brand you know, right early on the he'll be back on a couple of weeks. And and news rap and soft. Operato or properties of hurricane. So essentially, Brandon Webb is my boss. He's he's the guy. I answer to if anything comes up and myself. I mean, we have editorial discretion I do pretty much do what I want. But as far as like business decisions, you know, Brandon is at the helm, right? So I think it's important to disclose that now despite Chris Osmin spreading these very like asinine conspiracy theories on social media about about this company, and even even revealing details of my personal life on his Instagram, which I didn't appreciate and people would send me screen shots of it. Like, Well, Chris Osmond, talking about your honeymoon and stuff. I'm like this is weird. Like this guy needs to get a life for figure his own thing out, whatever this is about. But I try to separate myself from that. I. Long story short as distasteful some of the things I think Osmond has done. I I would not wish Haitian prison on anyone. And when I came in here or when I was prepping, the do this this podcast last night. I was like well as I was writing this article that that we published yesterday. I was like thinking we're going to have to come in here and talk about human rights conditions and Haitian prisons, and you know, that US citizens are down there being abused. And I would not wish that on on Osmond or McKinley or anybody. I mean that is just a fucking horrible thing. And again, looking at it from their perspective, they're black. We were working for the Haitian government. Like, what's the problem, we won't work in for like drug cartel or something like, we've us alone. But I'm glad that they got released and that they're back in in the United States. Now as we understand it. These guys were arrested when they landed in Miami. It's not clear yet what the charges were they arrested for quote, unquote, you know, mercenary activities there's also the question of the weapons so they got arrested with all those those rifles. The question is how did they get their? We're those weapons. Acquired locally in Haiti because of the central Bank are allowed to be armed because obviously there's a high chance that that the Bank could be robbed or that. There could be a transit heist as you're moving money around. And there are quite a few guns and Haiti to say the least so maybe they were locally acquired. Maybe they were you know, property of the Haitian government, which were would that was and they were issued to these guys when they arrived in Haiti. But then there's a question were they brought from the United States. Then the question becomes we're they brought legally because if that stuff is an all blessed off on like you cross your T's and dot your eyes like that serious federal time for weapons trafficking. Just a little sidebar on that story. And I mean Faulk I'll just I'm just going to tell the story without mentioning the person's name because people recognize it, a friend of mine reached out to me this was maybe five years ago for years ago, and he's was going to meet with a security company again fairly not not a company that's known for like providing armed guards or security contractors. But a company that's involved in security say they say physical security here in the United States and elsewhere and has pretty instant name, brand recognition. He was contacted by the owner of this company who wanted to send this gentleman, I know. To Mali to conduct offensive operations like shooting people killing people to take over some gold mine or some some mining facility and one in my friend to take sniper rifles with them over there and go don't kill people at this fucking mind. And I told my buddy I was like, listen, bro. This has FBI sting all over it just walk away and any did, thankfully, but it just goes to show. It's like what we were talking about with contracting job in in Yemen with Dell Comstock, and I mean, I stand by what I said in that case like I have to encourage other veterans out there. Don't get involved in this shit like please own server. You said that prior to the interview at L Comstock. So we didn't even know Dell was involved at the time. And I remember you went on kind of a veteran. Yeah. Just like, you know, you may think this sound school. It sounds very romance. Antic? But I mean, don't do it, man. And I know that or I'm sure that is men and McKinley felt like everything was on the up and up because they're contracting with the Haitian government. But they probably were not aware of the political situation. And maybe not the social situation in Haiti, and you know, that proved to be their undoing in some ways. So even if they're contracts domestically like like, we covered the tiger Swann deal out at the Dakota Access pipeline. Like, man, you gotta be really really careful about this kind of stuff. And it's one thing if you're contracting for the US government working at the G R S stuff, or if you're a green badge or a contractor even working for, you know, ground branch or some other paramilitary aspect of the Central Intelligence Agency. That's one thing. I mean, you're protected by the US government. But you go overseas and you start working these shady contr. Facts. And you have to understand that first off whatever you do. You are no longer a uniformed American soldier. You are not working under title, ten of the US code, which which authorizes military action. You are not protected by the Geneva Convention. You are not protected by American law because you are outside the United States. You have basically zero protection. What's none whatsoever? So I would encourage young guys young Rangers young seals whoever it is. When you're looking at these contracts and taking them take them to an attorney have it reviewed. I a lot of people have this notion that you know, because this this contract and company is owned by a former seal or a former delta force green beret, whoever it is that it's legit. The reality of the vast vast majority of these companies as just a website that looks really professional, and we do risk mitigation and maritime security, and this and that when really it's just like one guy, maybe two guys, and what they do is they go out and just bid on every every contract they can find and what they're doing is trying to under bid the competition. So they will put in recklessly bids on contracts to try to get the secure that that contract for themselves. And then they have to fill the contract with a. Miniscule budget because they underbid everyone else. So these companies will make it look as if they have a bunch of former delta operators like hard core. Stand up dudes on standby ready to go fulfill the terms of the contract, but really it's just one guy working for this this company. And now they're going to be surprised as anyone else when they actually get the contract and they're like oh shit. And now they have to fill it out. They have to flesh it out with personnel. So you start making phone calls whoever's available, and you don't get necessarily the most professional people, and I'm not saying that to a cheap shot at the guys who are on this particular contract. And I was going to say in this case when you say make phone calls these guys both at a very big. So full media presence. I believe McKinley deleted Instagram. We know Osborne is big on Instagram. If you're out there, you know, talking about your credentials easy. Gotta find Dell com- neck is pretty active on soc. Media's that's actually an interesting point you're making their, Ian. Because I was told the same thing about the dapple contract. The tiger Swann not just tag respond, but other companies out there doing the Dakota Access pipeline contract. They suddenly got this money thrown at them to do site security for the pipeline. And I was told by several people that that's what it turned into that. It was a rush to find personnel. And they were basically just like finding people on social media. And like, it makes us and them DM's like, bro, you vailable come out here and do this and do and in doing that, you don't necessarily get the most professional most qualified people. Yeah. You're able unlike someone make no linked in profile, if something you see through Chris osmond's profile and all that that he is regardless of is reputation is legit as a navy and right. It's the fast easy way to do it. But it doesn't necessarily give you the best results. So it's a it's a weird situation. And that's why when you start talking about private security contracting companies private intelligence firms. So many of them are just a cluster. Fuck. I mean, they're really joke when when you start like you see the fat man behind the curtain, and it's like, this is not cool at all. It's really just a fly by night kind of operation. That's gertz. The the the line of the law, very carefully. But again despite all of this. That's just a little background. I hope you know, some other veterans listening to this can. Put in their back pocket and take with them before they get involved in something like this because I hate to see any of our guys end up in that kind of situation. But again, I I am glad Osmond and McKinley in Croker and all these other guys have been released from Haiti because they they would have been held in and really deplorable conditions. And they're human rights would not have been respected down there and the court system down there is also completely corrupt. So a quick search can show you that there they pack something like seventy six guys into a tiny cell when you're in a prison in eighty. Yeah. They'll just put you into a cage like, you're you're an animal or something. It's it's horrendous view two videos out there. So we'll see what happens from here that apparently these guys were arrested as they got off the plane or as the plane arrived in Miami. And again, we don't know what the charges were. I guess the FBI is going to do their own investigation on it. And we'll see where that goes. Yeah. So it's been an interesting couple of days. And I'm glad that we went. You went in depth really on this because I can tell you just posting about this and Instagram and looking at the comments on your article on news rep, there's a lot of conspiracy out there one which I saw was a several people saying that sound like these guys were going to rob the national Bank of Haiti. Yeah. An onset it's nonsense. And you know, you're not doing these guys any favors either by spreading conspiracy theories. You say that stuff enough times? I mean, I guess we shouldn't underestimate the power of social media or twenty nine teen. You say that stuff over and over again, some people take it to the truth. I even get a little nervous sometimes because people comment on photos of me that are floating around there say, oh, he's in the CIA CIA paramilitary this and that and it's like, no, dude, I have never been in the CIA. And when you go around saying stuff like that like if I get detained in a country five years from now, and you Google my name, and the first thing that pops up is Jack Murphy CIA, it's like that's not good for me. And so I mean, saying spraying those conspiracy theories about Osmond and McKinley in these guys like that's not good for them. And and it's not right to do that to them either. I know people gossip and Chris Osmin gossips to you know, he's guilty of it. But I don't know. I think we should try to endeavor. To do a little bit better than that. So then a lot of the other comments that I got were from people saying, you know, sarcastically. I wonder why Safra radio or news rep is covering this. Maybe it has a little something to do with Chris Osmond. And I mean, I tried to explain to these people we covered what was going on with Dell Comstock, which is somewhat similar situation. And we have a very friendly connection with Dell com- doctors hostility between us and Dell we covered it. We covered it objectively, and we covered the dapple contract covering this. Whether it was Chris Osmond or not like it just so happens that Chris Osmond has honestly talked Aww shit about our. Oh, and then in intern really bad mouth to all of us at the company. I mean, yeah. Put up stickers bashing the company and saying negative stuff about all of us. A lot of stuff that was proven not to be true. If you listen to this podcast, you know, anytime Brandon ever gets into that type of thing, I've never really gotten into it because I don't I don't know the guy. But I mean, I do think it's just. If you're gonna you know have an Instagram devoted to badmouthing, someone better, I've pretty squeaky clean reputation because now when you Google, Chris Osborne. So the first thing that comes up at least have your facts straight. If nothing else, I mean, personally, I've never addressed Osmond before and I've never addressed any of the gossip because to me it's about as interesting watching private do push-ups. This is like this is thirteen year old shit. Like, what is what is this? I never have either I've been in the room like people listen to podcasts Brandon has talked about it. But you really can't find clips of me ever addressed the only time Chris Osmond ever made contact with me as I remember on Twitter on fears lessened at some point when he could listen to it. But you know, and asked me, why don't have him on the cash than I had to be like, you know, dude, I respect your service. But it's not it's not my podcast. This this podcast. So platform is owned by brand and web. And if he's not interested in having you on. I'll put this out there right now. I if Chris and or McKinley indoor Croker wanna come on this podcast discuss what happened in Haiti I would be more than happy to extend the platform for that. And let them tell their side of the story. I'm not interested in smearing any of these guys interested in and telling the facts, and I report on special operations news report on. Private military contractors, quote, unquote, mercenaries all over the world. All the time. I've been doing this for years, and this story I would be definitely reporting on. A bunch of white guys. White Americans are could be black Americans. They're saying, yeah. What you're saying is true because they stand out in this country. I mean, a bunch of a bunch of white cats from the United States big touted up, dude. Stereotype of what a US contract looks. Yeah. I I would be reporting on this story, regardless. But I I don't have any personal animosity towards Osmond. I mean or McKinley. I wish I I wish Osmond would kind of like be more factual and some of his accusations. And I'd appreciate it. If he would not discuss my personal life, you know, publicly on social media like that. But if that's what he wants to do he can do that. I mean, so be it. I guess. Life goes on. But I'm not going to go out there and make up stories about the guy. And that's why I did as best. I could you know report this in an unbiased way and make this disclosure that he has some some beef with Brandon and with this company. Yeah. But this was just something that needed to be addressed. And I've never addressed the guy when he's gone on other podcasts with people were ASTA towards us for other reasons that I you know, I've chosen and you have to do not really get into. Now, there's been so many lies spread about the company about the CEO. And like a lot of the stuff that's been. That's been spread has been proven to be false. I mean, I was told like this company wasn't going to exist. But by twenty nineteen. My last month, we weren't going to. It's I don't know. I really don't. I it's like crazy ex girlfriend stuff. It's hard. It's hard for me to. Yes. I agree that stuff is insignificant. And that's why we don't get into it. This is very significant and a new story. And I don't think any of you could read this story and deny that this is the type of thing that we cover and it's conspiracy that we're covering this just because it involves a guy guy's been hostile towards Andrew. And again, if those guys wanna come on this podcast and talk about what really happened in Haiti and tell their side of it. I happy to do that. I'm just not going to get into the gossip. And fuck this guy come on, man. Like, I'm thirty five year old, man. I don't have time for that. It would probably make for an interesting show too to be honest. Because when we Adele Comstock on it was good to at least, go in-depth. Yeah. Yeah. Was and you know, people could draw their own conclusions. I think there's people listening to podcast who who feels that Dale really to they feel del really fucked up doing what he did there's probably other guys who took Dale side. And and you know, Dell's basically saying had this one. Guy not opened his mouth, you would've never even heard about. And again, I mean it gets into the grey areas of contracting from from DALE'S perspective, they were working for the Murati military seems seems legit. Right. But and he said he's like we're taking out terrorists were taking bad guys. We're doing the same thing. The United States government does. Yeah. You're not a soldier anymore. You're not in. You're not in the military. You're not you're not acting under title, ten of the US code. You're not working under the auspices of the a UMF authorization for the use of military force though, his past after nine eleven you are now a private citizen working private security, and you don't have those legal protections. So I definitely encourage all the other vets out there to consider some of these nuances and some of these grey areas in the legalities and just because the guy you're working for was occuren- l- in XYZ special operations unit. Doesn't mean that what he's telling you to do. Is legitimate and legal unlike them as far as I know, by the way, I mean, it's been probably three or four months since this. Dell com- stock came up probably three months and not nothing has happened. He has been arrested. I'm as far as I know Dale is, you know, normal life and hasn't had any consequences for the story that came out. Yeah. So far. I mean, we'll see what happens with that. I think they'll probably be some follow up stories to eventually. But man that was a hell of an interesting story. Yeah. But I was I mean, I could be wrong. You're you might think it'd be a little bit wait for them to do something this point they can. But I mean, it's I don't surprise. I I don't know. I really don't know. I mean investigations can can take a long time. But I have no idea. All right. Well with that we do have guests this episode. But we definitely had to address that Mike lampy. We're gonna get right into it. Back on the podcast air force chief Master Sergeant Mike lampy. You guys last heard Mike on episode three ninety one and we didn't get quite up to when Mike cross paths with previous guest of the podcast and the legend in the community, Mike Vining, which was later on in his military career as we were saying before recorded we really ended with some of your time. And wow, and let's get back into that. I know there's some unanswered questions, and we'll go there just to elaborate a little bit. Mike lampy was on the ground four and a lot of ways for the the birth of air force special tactics. And also got to see the birth of really modern American special operations. So I mean, we had a I had a great time interviewing you last time. And we got up to the point where you were in Laos. And you said that just before the we started recording. You said that you had had some inquiries about Laos and some other things wanted to elaborate on that before before we. Move on to some other topics in your career. That's correct. And yeah, couple inquires that got, you know, I think somewhere in the interview, you know, always start about being followed or flying. So one of the inquiry's was did I ever, you know, learn any flying skills or happened not to need to fly. And the answer is. Yes, now force wasn't my job. But the ravens, you know, basically were kind of accommodating in the sense that when we weren't staying up country based on, you know, the Dassler guidance, you know, you would jump on any plane going back down to bench in to spend the night. And then you'd go back through the same of that, you know, get backed up there. And you know, there was a necessary. Would I call passenger? Terminal or scheduled flights. You pretty much figured out which aircraft going prevention up to two twenty. Alternate was going there to you know, a Twin Otter ac- one twenty three porter. That's how you got the work. And then the same that, you know or same cycle with take place when your your head back. If you did spend the night or spend time up there, and so changed only we got jumper ride with the, you know, the ravens, you know, back cedar, they didn't have their backseat or we had a chance to fly back from long Chen intervention. And of course, during that flight, they basically myself, and Charlie and accept the other folks that. You know, transit back and forth. You know, they gave basic lessons on flying. No one. And of course, I was fortunate up, and and when I first got up there and doing the flight falling. You know, a couple of the ravens went to Jerry, Ryan and Charlie gay and say, hey, we like take Mike up on a flight to kinda see you know, what we're doing which would help him as flight volley skills because you know, and so I got to fly a couple mission again, please understand. It wasn't something authorized then. Yeah, it just happened. So I was fortunate enough to you know, plaque couple missions. So with raven facs, but it really helped me number one. And some of the things I was. Doing reference flight balling Nate with the triple C reference fighters and watch and the twenty eight out of log chip, and it definitely gave me a perspective of what the the raven fact was seeing what he was doing which helped me, you know, later on in my career, especially when I came back to Thailand at debt one fifty six hours, and we were running training for the Cambodians and Ford airtight. So if gave me that perspective from from raven fact, looking, you know, you know, from altitude, and then Jerry wine, they ac- commander also took me out a couple times. Again, got understand. This is authorized what's supposed to be doing. But he went out flu few, you know, strafing runs dropping bombs on. Targets. And so then you got I got a perspective of what it feels like to be in the back of the twenty eight and enrolling in scraping. The you know troops in contact were dropping offs. So. When I got into Thailand in teaching for their guide procedures. Really enhanced. My spill sets of what we were caging then to the Cambodians distance direction from whereas what and ticking out what apply see from the the air easily. And then basically talking the pilot down to another odd Jake or another rain feature eventually to where the chart was. So you are you're refining. The the what became the combat controller mission. I if I'm hearing this, correct? Well, you know, it basically enhanced my understanding of, you know, let's call J fact day but afford Eric guy right back dad for guy being somebody work and from the ground, but have the opportunity to work from the ground. But also the in the air again, not my mission. Now was what I was there. It's just. But. Since and and of course, getting the fly occasionally with the ravens, and basically, you know, they pretty much say, hey, you got it like, Charlie or, you know, whoever slide a backseat and let us kind of fly them a one back invention. Put it in the pattern. You know report down win then near craft over to them. So and then and then when we when I got into Thailand, the raven some of the ravens were there as instructors to train the Cambodians as well. As a lot of the key twenty eight pilots for train the Cambodian again. It really added to my my tool bag when you talk about being the guy in the ground supporting SF OT or seal tune or unilateral mission where you're putting in you know. Air strikes or talking fighters gunships, Mike forgive I forgive my memory, but the mission in in Thailand was that called the fed mission. Yeah. I would call it fit mesh. No, no. I'm just trying to think the mission to train the Cambodian was F E T. I may be wrong though. Yeah. Well, the the term I knew it from his like ankle is scoot program. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Support Cambodia out of tiling. Now, I'm sure there was other names to that. But, you know, get one fifty six, you know, I think you know, I've got over Thailand seventy three seventy four debt. One fifty six out became USA, US MAC, die detachment Udorn. And that's when they brought plenty Admiral to, you know, Kerr lateral. But I think if I recall correctly promoted, the one-star back and put him charge just MAG with the sole purpose of train the Cambodian forces. You know in the air side, and I. Discussed that a little bit. And that we in Thailand, you know, comback Kroll is responsible for training the Ford air guides. You know, Cambodian air guys at the four year school that we had that have been put together in the late sixties early six late sixties and seventies. And as well, as you know, we we're involved in training airdrop truce for the one twenty three's and you have the twenty eight and they'll once and the maintenance or the maintainers so is a robust field training detachment per se to train the Cambodian air force and has tremendous expertise and professional from all all ammo S's AFSC that, you know, worked at that detach. And and I I guess the Craig off in that unless you have any other questions. On that. No, actually, Mike. What is hoping to discuss a little bit was the how you got brought into brand X and just to set the stage a little bit for the listeners in nineteen seventy nine the US embassy in Iran was captured by you know, quote, unquote, Iranian students who overran the premises and took everyone hostage. And now this became a big dobacco for our government as far as how we were going to rescue our people and get them out of there. And you know, we've talked about this incident at length I think before with people like Mike Vining who are involved in the rescue effort. But you you were part of a you're part of that endeavor. But definitely came at it from a different perspective than I think any of the previous interviews we've done. Ransacked was kind of name that one of the guys that come back controllers came up with Hank was Peter de Holt same up with that. Because. Brand X started out. I guess if I recall is called project recognition out of mass headquarters and basically gentlemen's Major John Arne or captain cart. John Carney's the time was working as to twenty first air force. And he was given the task to bring select comback trollers together from different teams stateside to basically support. I and I wanna say in you know, was Paul blue light which was a precursor to delta. Yes. And and you know, a lot of interaction with the the ranger battalion which at that Time, inC was second ranger battalion. Hank who ten occur Wayne Downing was commander at that time? And during this this. Process. I was still in the Philippines 'cause I was transferred. You know, win everything, you know, went went to Helena Handbasket in Laos Cambodia and Vietnam Vietnam grants. Yeah. Transfer to the Philippines. They shut down our two cats or our team probably within thirty days. I mean, so everything happened April may timeframe and signed into the whole theme. So the end of may nineteen seventy five during that tour duty when I was there this project recognition, but we'll call brand X coach Carney wanted his people to be do qualified halo in scruple. And I just happened to be in charge of the scruple, Okker and Philippines now. I basically came over state size to be an ad joke. Scuba instructor Carney in many of the other brand X personnel and some which eventually showed up in debt one Mekos after desert one where the students, and that's the first time I had met on Carney or coach Carter who was head. And so when we graduation yet together from scruple school, he mentioned if I had an interest of, you know, maybe being coming part of this group, which he said, I really can't tell you much about. And I kind of told myself, you know, you know, sir. Yeah. It interests me. But I I've got orders to the seventh. Esa less in my mind, Germany, you know, consecutive overseas tour leaving. So maybe when I'm done with that tour, I be happy. To you know, entertain that. Well, won't be old. You know, coach party was able to change my orders. And so that going Firminy they all I was reassigned to Charleston air force Bates, and understanding what brand X was was a pickup team. So every time when out one of these eight breeze with whoever, you know, the the blue light force or the Rangers or a combination of both. He would select the individuals from each of the different teams be the mcchord team Norton team Charleston team Little Rock team, which way comback troll passport. And is that time and they would have to bring their equipment. And then they meet at a certain location be brag or wherever and they basically play. Dan and interface with their army counterparts. Go execute the mission. And then they would go bring their take their quickness and go back home to their base and so- coach Carney was able eventually to convince the powers to be headquarters. Mac in other air force fans that he needed to have all the brand X personnel that he wanted. He wanted to select at one base. And so I ended up being one of those individuals along with John corn Mitch Brian dick west and others. And the interesting thing is is we all served in southeast Asia to get you know, we were in Thailand together Philippines, together and some of us that worked in and out to get. So, you know, we've, you know, we knew each others moves on the on the chessboard for lack of term. And so when I got reassigned for the Philippines course, et make my wife happy because my wife's family. I'm really were was in France. And so when I told her we're not going to Germany. That went over like turn to Punchbowl. But I showed up I think the last week of October of seventy seventy nine, and I if I'm, you know, my memory serves me correctly were just finishing up the validation the final Blau Dacian exercise. I think Warren Burr, maxim or North Carolina with delta certification as the US's counter-terror has as I recall from Colonel Beckwith book, he talks about how they finish the certification. And you know, he went to sleep just exhausted from the whole processes because the squadron they had trained to conduct a number of hostage simulated hostage rescue missions. And he goes to sleep exhausted. They wake up in the morning. Because the incident in Iran had just happened like the day after the unit was validated. Yeah. I think I wanna say the unit that final allegation was like the third of November second or something like that. I mean all was together. And yeah, you're right than a hostage or take a four November. And then, you know, off to the races reference trying to figure out, you know, how how you go about rescuing, you know, fifty three Americans halfway round the world and the middle of the capital of Iran. Yeah. Could you could you talk about that from from your perspective? And you know, what you saw what you observed as far as the planning and training process for all that began. I can speak to my portion, of course, time on I think I was a e six promote ably seven at the time. So I you know, I was down what I call the boot level. But and it's a good place to be. Yeah. And you know, my involvement, you know, of course, there was only ended up being six of seven of us that really engaged in the planning and rehearsal for for Iran and went into Iran on the first aircraft and the bulk of my time as well as my other fellow combat controllers, we're working with the ranger company Charlie company, which was commanded by Dave grains, at that time. And I think sure we'll was the battalion commander. And of course, we did a lot of work with them primarily what I call the second night rehearsal reference the field that was going to be secured to receive the one forty. One's to Transload, the the the delta personnel and the hostages onto their after they were pulled out of the embassy and the other location, and so our involvement my involvement, primarily revolved around that, you know, we get some work on a couple desert type strips out was that out one of the lake that's by Edwards Air Force base. Also, we were involved in initially one of the scenarios was dropping blitz in to review. So we ended up going through those scenarios, you know, recovering the limits and trying to set up revealing points and working with the cease talion crews the. Navy crews as well as there was a couple other scenarios that we ended up jumping in with the out there in. Slips my mind, but it was out there in the desert. Huma early grounds with belt, and we were rehearsing a when I call and cross country movement. Delta with mules motorcycles allow those type things that again that was just a knows fair. Now, you know film wind all each delta. Was, you know, you know, focus pretty much strictly on taking down the two targets, and then to my knowledge to basically had that down, you know, to a science and well prepared I think execute that mission. If the we could get him into the capital city, which I don't think the Iranian set anticipated any of us ever are Americans trying excuse me try to do that. And also we worked with the engineers the wiz kits out from the agency. They had a place, you know, up in DC that actually Bill the remote control lights. You know? They were regular what I call being bagged whites that we used in the early sixty seventies Kamarck L Z's, but they turned him in to remote control lights with up antennas. And then they had a thing that fit in the one thirty up in the Coptic you plug in that could activate the lights about I think was about ten miles out. So we ran a lot of different tests. Basically run a Clinton esque fine airfield if I understand right? That's Brett those those lights that were developed and we test it. I think around down at army hunter army airfield, eventually were the ones that John Carney took in to the desert to desert one, I think it was about thirty plus days prior to actually swans you and the agency flew in on a Twin Otter with the many by and he went into soil samples, and in planet, the remote control lights in what I you know, again, my direction may be off I called like southern Elsie and initially when we were Verson, you know, we we were kind of focused on one Elsie in the desert. You know, one that the coach at survey, you know, and done soil samples on and as things evolved. And I think it was again, I may be getting ahead of myself on this. But I think, you know, for me, and I think most of the other six combat controllers wasn't until we get moved from Charleston through mind, and I think in the Wadi teeny, which was our initial stuff drop point. Egypt and then Oman if I remember. Yeah. With always Egypt where we kinda found out that what we're gonna have you gonna do to dual runways in the desert and allow. Yeah. And and to to my knowledge, at least, I was never on any rehearsal. That we, you know, prior to that that we had done dual runways on or in the desert and done, the the repealing, but as where we basically found out and myself and John corn and dick west, and but kansallis, you know, put our heads together, you know, because free of us pretty much had the responsibility. Once we landed into desert one into the rich inal LC's, the remote control lights, and we have responsibility kind of going across this so-called road rant through the the lake that and establishing the second l z second box and one and that became quite challenging as mission unfolded based on the time line that was giving us the regional time. I'm line was we had an hour from landing, you know. To, you know, get everything set up, and they had included the the tax and the portable tack, and you know, stab wishy inverted y for the received the helicopters. And again, you know, we're we're kind of focused on one Elsie now. Now, we're basically transitioning to run parallel desert runways, I didn't hand know that. Yeah. Yeah. That you know, that, you know, you know, again, I speak for myself. I was never involved in aim rehearsal where we were running. Dual run ways at night in the desert's not that we didn't do some on single type things not that we didn't do practice repealing back. The one thirty, you know, all those things, but you know, people ask did you ever do a full dress rehearsal on and my answer is no now delta had no doubt ran numerous full dress rehearsals on their takedown and and their movement from their height sites. If you know where I think it was dick meadows went in and up, and they were going to be transported by trucks into into the capital, etc. So I have no doubt that delta, you know, from aid Z, you know, had that thing wired down going net as you know, face on that but from the air side. We never rehearsed agency from my perspective. That's what Mike Vining said. When I asked him. I asked him the question as like, do you think the mission could have been successful? And his answer was if we had gotten to the embassy. There's no question that we could have succeeded in our mission. And I I agree with that hundred ten percent. And you know, I think people have said, you know, people actually more knowledgeable in the complete planning processes the long phone. The Tanner the weak link was always the helicopters and force as you're probably aware of you know, we went through a Hank two maybe three top jumpers. Eventually that was the crews that, you know, flew, the, you know, the nine helicopters launched to the nine helicopters to go into desert. Want and. And so two digress. A little bit. You know? So we you know, we did our planning team. We kind of practiced on the motorcycle that delta had provided us I think it was Yama on to fifty to, you know, help speed up things, and then we moved into on Sora. And eventually, you know, we ended up watching out there as you. Well know, and when we went feet dry. I think shortly after that is when the lead MC ran into the hoop. And of course, coach Carney had flown in you know, with the agency guys and they too have encountered a boots online line always. But the guy flying fear crafts includes a Jim Ryan, you know, said no from, you know, climb up get up hanging around fifteen hundred feet, you know, they L and you're both that dust clout. And so when when the one thirty, you know kit that of course, you know, it's like somebody rubbing sandpaper on the side of the the. The aircraft. And I think also at that time the HSEN Tanna had broken loose. So the load masters had opened the ramp and figure out a way to rake and bring that antenna 'cause it was beating on the side of the one-third. So as we so coach Carney was up in the cop with the active when the console to activate of Bowman. He just kind of branchy was the pilot said, hey, you know, just climb up, you know, but you know, that fifteen hundred feet or a little bit up in a if I recall correctly, the aircrew one thirty aircrew had been briefed that radar coverage. You know, didn't really start until two thousand feet so anywhere between you know, ground level and up to I guess two thousand feet that you wouldn't be painted on radio. So that's what we did. And then. My understanding is the radio operator on that. Or crap radio back secure palms back to the one thirties. Now, if I'm correct the helicopter pilots, you know, that launched off the carrier didn't get the same type brief. So when you kind of read the different narrative, so the stories they pretty much stayed in the boot they were flying. It's five hundred feet or thousand feet, which impacted obviously along the way where ended up losing three of the helicopters of the original nine that launched up the Kerio. And just to eight the picture for the listener real quick, Mike you guys the operators who were going to execute. The assault flew win on a C one thirty from Oman to desert one inside Iran, but the helicopters that were to ferry them along the next leg were being phone in from off coast off a carrier, if I remember correctly, and and then on the way, the helicopters went through a very vicious sandstorm. So when they arrived at desert one where the operators are standing by those heloc a few of them as my said, I think a couple of them had to turn around and the others were in pretty beat up condition. And then as far as the plan was concerned now, you have the operators and the helicopters co located they would have translated onto the helicopters flown to desert to a second staging site loaded up on trucks and the next day would have executed the actual. Embassy down if memory serves Mike, I just wanted to throw that out there. So people listening. Tracking along with what you're saying. Yeah. And that's correct. Thank the other point is zoned helicopters used at being pre staged on that carrier. You know, as we were running Ursel. So that the helicopters that they were using during all the rehearsals up to the point when we got the execute order state Numa. And so I don't know. I don't know what how the navy maintain those. I can't speak to that. But I do understand that, you know, all those helicopters that they had a very short amount of time to kind of worked out of the bugs, and, you know, take him for a few tests flights, but it wasn't the birds that they had you know, had tweaked and had flown during all the rehearsals. These are the pre stage telecopiers that were sitting below debt suit, Mike. Can you walk us through than from your point of view? What happened when you got the desert one? Sure. Now as we approached as one after we came out of the food the sandstorm. You know, the lights wrapped debated and and so as we're coming in on her protest the aircraft's coming pro. There was a vehicle or vehicles that were spotted driving down through the l z and so ended up executing a goal ramp which burn up about ten minutes of valuable time. From from my perspective of, you know, trying to get the L C established, you know, both L Z's in order to receive the remainder of the see-won thirties, which also were functioning as refuelers for the hell cap, you know, with its onboard. And so eventually, you know, the goal round didn't have any other incident we landed that was a very firm landing to say, the least and. And so as the opening up the ramp, then we're basically off loading were grieved by a bus, you know, this flashing the lights, and, you know, I don't know if he's talking horns, but you know, obviously that some of the operators or the the Rangers that were offloading shot out a couple of tires and sees the bus, and if my memory serves correctly now, we have I think forty six or forty eight Iranians on a bus in the middle of the l z. So that was the first challenge, you know, I challenge you, obviously, if we secured, a buzz with Iranians, and now we got for who's going to guard the Iranians and get the bus with the couple of tires flap off to the main Elsie or that the southern L Z work through that. Now, the other thing have see the ho- boo the sandstorm and went through the land site. So instead of just being when I consider hard lake that sand. Yeah. Actually now had a what I call few inches of suspended store almost like Telcom pout. And so you've got the one thirty with engines running that's kinda create its own, you know, dust storm for lack of term. In there, you know, 'cause they're not shut anything down. And so we move on over to the the Elsie where establish and visibility was pretty much nailed none because of some of the suspended dust or saying, so we had to go to some old techniques or, you know, decide where we're going to put the first corner life of the box in one and basically the compass heading and walk off. And then once you could see the guy any further work have good beat on 'em. He holds in place. And then you'd move up in that, you know, give them the Cup of setting. And so that took a while, you know, even though it was just four lights. You know, we're trying to get everything for SEIs, you know, for the aircraft aircraft. And so we've got that established and the first one thirty had moved up to sparking Arkansas at the other end. I call. Other Nailsea to get physician. In weight. And then we ended up pretty much on time receiving the second aircraft. But during this timeframe one of the ranger blocking teams had deployed down will call the road up to put the blocking to ensure no traffic or would interfere with the operations and about that time. They had a fuel truck. You know that pretty much ran ran their physician didn't stop and went through. And then I I don't recall they I think the used the law, and they shot up shot it with a law, which basically now you feel for without them. Dallas fueled had exploding out there, you know, semi on the approach path of the aircraft coming into northern L C. So. You know? So now, we got a bus with the forty some Iranians we got a fuel truck on fire, and you know. And we continue to receive one thirties and position them and the ones that have limits on it. You know, basically those hoses, you know, got pulled out and and and position, and we put the verge y in so we could taxi the taxi the fifty three so to connect him to the Levick, repealing processed. And again, I sorry about saying, and again, but, you know, vastly we got all the C one thirties on the ground and properly position and everything set up for refueling, the helicopters and each of these one thirties were also bringing in camouflage nets and other things that the the delta guys were offloading to staging point. To be uploaded on the helicopter. So everything there, you know, pretty much went has Scott. And then we wait, and we wait and wages, and eventually the first helicopter showed up and landed in the why and the real challenge is, you know, with fifty threes. They taxi kinda like an aircraft. And so if you can kinda match and now they're pushing some of the suspended dust, so we're kind of hopping them if that makes sense apply. What's kind of popping up to there refueling point as well as as your where, you know, fifty three, you know, especially when they they try to lift off or move. You know, they got about ninety not down wash you have one thirties engine running. And now the helicopters coming in with their down wash. And so what little you know, suspended dust or sand on Bloomberg is all up in the air. So it was kind of. Challenge seeing time for visibility and being able to, you know, see even with N B E N B G's, in some cases, you know, the ones we had really were pretty much ineffective from our perspective. We only just dust goggles. And I think it was the six telecopiers last helicopter that finally arrived. And when it landed. Pretty much to mind all waas Tyke relics that word saying with a high draw. Click and there was a lot of scurrying going on, you know, back and forth of the C P. About this helicopter. And and of course, you know, if you're reading. Colonel with book in the guts, dry, the minimum helicopters. They could basically go to the next site. The high site was six so that's all we had on the ground and six one was non off and in this process. And that's when the season was is to, you know, tack up, you know, everything back on the sea one thirties and watch. And I, you know, I was soom come back another day, and in that process, one of the helicopters on the that I called the northern LC receive, you know, ATC guidance to pick up, and, you know, thank execute. I wanna say executed a turn to go around. And we connect to another one thirty three few because one he was connected to that one. One that Lewis was flying could ten no more app gas pump. And so this guy needed more more fuel to make the trip back to the Carey. And you know, when he lifted up, and again, you know, it was a cloud of dust from my perspective. I could barely see what was going on my position. You know, eventually Kenyan coming down and crashing, you know, into that see one third and pretty much, you know, we had another huge fireball that aircraft. Also had been already loaded with the delta soldiers on board. And I think they had some fifty soldiers on there, if I recall correctly, and you know, it's just to the professionalism and the training the the road masters in the back, but also the sergeant major that took charge in the back because there's only one door anything could exit because of the fire, and they were able to get all those soldiers off that Bruening aircraft. And I think one of them went back and pulled the radio operator was severely burned. The helicopter come down on the front part is Kasich or the firewall, you know, where Ray you up raider set. And and now. Now, we're dealing with minus one thirty minus another second helicopter, and now we're trying to figure out, and of course, there's a lot of people in cages in this trying to figure out how you upload all the soldiers who are brought in by all the C one thirties and now the helicopter crews 'cause Susan was made that to reposition the helicopters or just leave the helicopters in place and just get the personal out. So it was. It was an interesting time trying to figure out, you know, I call decor procedures trying to count for people won't you got everybody. In the midst of still got the fuel truck burning is still got the fuss with the Iranians. And now you've got to see stallions and one thirty Bernie, and you're down a one three actually to one thirties because one of the one thirty came in and dropped off supplies and delta soldiers. We watched that out early 'cause it was going to be one of the lead aircraft or one of the main aircraft involved in night to going into that air field where the one forty one in the fifty three's with linkup. And so we're down to C one thirties, and we're down all the ELA captors. And of course, obviously lost a, you know, find, you know, Americans pay in the sacrifice that night. But you know, trying to figure out how do we get these people 'cause plan was never to leave as one fully load? Role right. Yeah. So so now, you know, pretty much I ain't got each aircraft. You know, pretty much take everything off the aircraft that wasn't tight down. In fact, you know, we hit uploaded the gun cheap. At the Rangers shoes, the motorcycle that that we used off and on you know, other things and that pretty much was coming up to reduce the weight. To take on the personnel. And and there are Clinton so anything that for lack of term wasn't mission. Essential was throwing in the desert offloaded by the soldiers, you know, by the aircrew by take. And eventually we're able to start the movement and do everything we could to account for the personnel on the ground through pretty much, not entertained communications, but going from aircraft aircraft trying to look for the troops aren't major or the the troop commander trying to make sure that we didn't leave anybody high. Also, we launched down to pick up the agency lights as I call them real control lights because they definitely get want those left in the we got those and we replaced them with the Chem lights, you know. And then if you of read in a book, the guts to try, and maybe another books that some of the aircraft released one of the aircraft's mistake and those lights that were put out there. They wind up on them or took a site. And where which I think it was the aircraft. I came out on long with many delta soldiers and. Couple of my fellow convex trollers tick west and Rex lawmen, and we pretty much, you know, as take off and you can matching we're moving off damn slow. And that one thirty was Franken is the engines far as you could. And then we kinda hit a burn burn. So we were up and then we came back down. Him and continued, you know, moving down the thing. But what happened is that pilot if you can kind of vision parallel runways, they got cited on a different set of life in. Box a light. So it kind of took off at angle, and that's why you know jumped off. Oh, and you know, obviously, I have no Jeter by aircraft saying prayers 'cause I shouldn't hell was. Dan, you know, as we're getting ready to take off. Then we get this word. Hey, don't move. You know, I I don't know if it was grenades or if it was blasting caps or something explosive. Had been couldn't account for. So they thought it was somewhere on there. The other thing is this is one of the aircraft that was a reviewer. So we're sitting on. I think it was a five thousand downs. That was partially, you know, pretty much done, but you can imagine the funerals in. So you're watching watching in there, and you know, you you're basically just trying to, you know, get it clean breath of air inside that aircraft. So we're we're Mosey down. And again, my hat's off all the one thirty crews held and airmanship do performance at night in the desert and finally, you could you could basically just feel the pilot and co file no doubt on back on the yoke and the one thirty just kind of grown. You know, you could almost you know, is gonna get out is gonna get up and finally lifted up, but boy are climb out was low as molasses Jan? Eventually, you know, it got the, you know, some altitude, and then they they pop the emergency hatches up above to try to get some air circulating in there. Because of the fumes from that. And we got back to Missouri. Eventually. Couldn't say, happier camper. And I think that goes for everybody. And then really the town in thrall personnel. Very taking place count pets out. You know, if anything was anybody was left behind other than the ones, we couldn't recover from the accident. And one forty one came in. And we stop the delta guys, and they launched back the brag. And then for me and the other comback goals and other personnel. I think it was another day or another day. I think you know. I mean, just you know, it's just all kinds of one's gather. Now before you know, we into an aircraft to go home. So so that that's kind of a short version of my experience. It sounds sounds hair raising Mike I was wondering I know we have to let you go in a few minutes. But we're you then involved in the the second endeavor. I mean, I think it was called snowbird to potentially go back and take another shot at this operation. Yeah. The codename. I was was Honey badger Honey badger, right? Honey bathroom. Yeah. And, you know, shortly after we got back to, you know, you know, Charleston. Coach Carney got a call and he jumped airplane, and they went up to. One of the agencies locations along with the the delta guys meet president Carter. But soon as he came back from that event, we want, you know, we started the planning for the second second attempt, and we pretty much went out the white sands New Mexico. It's pretty much where you know, I spent most by time there with surrenders Charlie company again, and obviously were doing all kinds of different rehearsals. And you know, you know, primarily revolve around, you know, their seizure position processes, you know, dropping jeeps drops and bikes, you know, all that. So yes. And then eventually, as you know, history says they released the hostages, and of course, all this. Time that were doing that the train up for the second Tampa. Of course, there what can, you know, waning C one thirty, you know, with rockets into the I think the soccer field or some area. There was one of the options and many options. I'm not aware of that was one of them. And I guess, you know. What I can close out on the one, you know, we continue on Grenada and Panama on another time. Is sports. And I say this, you know, that I think we have the right leadership. Up at this point staff, but you know, in congress, and you go back and his hallway commission was formed to look at what's the place, and why we failed to rescue the hostile and I would tell but that that was a up. I can't think of a more difficult mission cheaper hand, any military outfit. And I think the thing you have to take an account. We've we again, you know, we can't sprained we work. A what do you call it plying to joint force at that time? You know, everybody came together was doing that part. But today if you look at how they're integrated how they frame together, and how the exit to, you know, replying tune they know each other inside. Now, they know the units strengths and weaknesses. But the fact my point in the hallway mission, obviously alway condition brought about the formation J saw which was a a great move. And so yeah, thank you. Gotta think guys like Senator Cohen Senator Nunn. Goldwater congressman Daniels cheddar that have the foresight the vision that we really need to build a joint command and put these forces under one command and have them work and train sleep with whatever you wanna call it together to find tune. And that joint ability because nobody's going to go to war by themselves. It's always it's doing war. And then that's kind of the thing that I think America does better than anyone else. Militarily is working in a joint environment. Yeah. Yeah. We you know, I can't speak for now. But what I saw for retirement. You know, we were basically mastering the yard of joints. And you know, early on in my career. You know, you hear joint nece was was a, hey, you know, winning why call just to say, yeah, we're doing. Yeah. Now today and even back, then we really grew into a joint force in an empty to the forces the services around the different countries. And you know, again, I credit, you know, our leaders in vers-, but as with the military to have that foresight because in my humble opinion. If we had done that if the four set just been disbanded like to Sante raiders were then you basically would go back, and you know, relive history again somewhere down the road. Mike. This has been incredible. I think's thank you so much for giving us your perspective on this. You know, again, we're going to have to go for around three. I think because. As maybe people listening don't know. But Mike also jumped into Grenada, and Panama and was involved in other counterterrorism operations throughout the nineteen eighties. And then when became a visor senior adviser for so calm. So I mean, there's still much to talk about and we'll have to figure out your schedule. Mike, and and we'll find a good time for you. But we do appreciate you coming on and spend another good hour with us to talk about desert one. Well, it was my honor. And my pleasure. And as you and I look forward to the next interview. Thank you, Mike. Thanks. We'll we'll stay in touch and we'll coordinate for that. Okay. Thanks, guys. I think Mike lampy is high in the running for the most interesting guest, we've interviewed people people are definitely an enjoy this one most interesting man in the world, he got to got to do kind of everything from post Vietnam up until the early nineteen nineties really late nineties, and I always keep in mind. 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Ep91 McKinley Overbay on Battling Teenage Depression, Opening Up to Friends, How Parents Can Help
"Uh? Thinking to episode ninety virtual Ouch. I'm your host over main license marriage family therapist, certified coach writer speaker has been bother for ultra marathon runner in creator of the path back and online pornography extra recovery program that is helping people reclaim their lives from fiction if you or anyone that you know is struggling with pornography. Diction please point them to path back recovery dot com. There you can download short e book that describes five common mistakes that people make when trying to overcome pornography. Diction the end that's path back recovery dot com. Okay. Before we get to today's interview. Please take a quick second and head to Tony obey dot com. You can sign up there somewhere in the middle of the page to find out more about an upcoming program that I'm working on how to be happy, and you can follow the virtual couch at virtual couch on Instagram, and you can find out about today's show on Facebook page, Tony over bay license marriage, family therapist. And today's interview with my special guest, my wonderful daughter McKinley is on my virtual couch YouTube channel, so you can. Oh there and watch the interview if you are so inclined and while you're there, please subscribe and sums up and like all of that good stuff. Okay. And I hope for those of you who are in the US or US folks abroad anyone who celebrated thanksgiving. I hope yours was wonderful. And on that note, I made a bit of a big deal in my episode last week the one on gratitude, and at the beginning of that persona did some fun facts about thanksgiving, which was something I had done last year as well. But I did some some fun facts that a small percentage of people dressed up for thanksgiving. And I made a couple of jokes about dressing up any Turkey costume, perhaps as a pilgrim, and my wife was actually the first, but not the last text me and say that what it meant meant was dressing up. Not just in sweats and a t shirt that meant dressing up as in dressing up in looking nice when you come to thanksgiving dinner, not necessarily as a Turkey and or pilgrim. So I I did feel silly. But then I justified her that the article I was reading with full of graphics, and for example, when they said how? Long. It would take to burn off. Your thanksgiving. Calories issued a cartoon of a guy who was just dying on a treadmill? And when it showed the percentage the number of people who dressed up it did in fact show a guy in a pilgrim costume granted. It was a cartoon drawing, but it did show gain and pilgrim costume, so admittedly in that moment, I was all in on people dressing up as their favorite thanksgiving character while they were eating their thanksgiving dinner. So looks like I missed that one. So not so full of pride to say that that I that I was wrong. I was absolutely wrong. But I did say that I felt a tiny bit justified by my my concept of what it meant to dress up as things maybe we can start a tradition maybe next year. I will come to thanksgiving dinner dressed up in a pilgrim, custom. So my guest today. It is my second daughter McKinley over base goes way, Mackey and we cover that at one point on the pike cast. And I know it's absolutely nepotism to have the host daughter on the podcast. But honestly, I would love to have her and all of my kids. My wife anyone. On more. If it will be anything like what machi- was like on this episode as you probably read in the episode description, and you here in the in the episode machi- has been pretty open about her struggles with with depression since Instagram posts that she made a little over seven months ago. And I don't want to spoil anything in the episode. But for those who have and do suffer with depression. You know, that it doesn't just happen. One day. So Niels to say, this is something that my wife, and I have been aware of for a long time. And there have been some times where it is truly it. Oh boy. You always cutting onions in the room here. It's a little bozo. It truly has. It's broken my heart to see what she's been going through and wanting desperately to help. But sometimes not feeling like we know what to do. And somebody in the mental health field is is that being my job. You can know what you would tell a client or the parents of a client, you know, from sitting in front of just hundreds and hundreds of people suffer with this. Exact you know, I mean and no two people's depression. Honestly are like, but no one what to say. I mean, I knowing that I may have the training the clinical training or the again to sitting in front of people. But then when you're when somebody that you care about so much that that you love so much you can just feel helpless at times. And then you realize that this isn't about you that, you know, they're the ones that are truly pain, and you just want to sit there with them. Mm and just do whatever you can to help them know that things are going to be okay that they're going to be able to get through whatever whatever it is that they're going through. So I guess just bring it up to say that a lot of the feedback. I get is a lot of just about. Oh, it must be great too. I don't know for my wife. There are people that want her on the podcast and hear what that's like in Mackey. And I joke about that a little bit because you know, my must be fluent in EFT all the time or extremely pathetic or those sort of things or must be great to have the skills or the tools to help people my own family. And again, sure, it's nice to feel like you know, what you're supposed to do. But it's an entirely different thing to say those things and feel like they aren't helping and especially with somebody who who you just care about so so much. So I initially was going to bring her on just to read a post. She was home for thanksgiving thanksgiving break from college. And I was going to bring her on just read a post that she actually posted on world mental Health Day, and I told her, and I just thought the post was beautiful and she does read that if. You do follow my Instagram or Facebook accounts. I gave a little bit of a snippet there actually recorded her reading that and posted that, but I want to have a read into talk for a little bit about this post that she did on world mental Health Day back on October tenth. I think it was. But then we started talking, and I feel like she shared so much. Good information about what it what it was like for her as a teenager struggling with depression. Why it was so difficult for her to open up to others? What helped her what she liked or didn't like about how we is her parents tried to help? And I love it. She was really honest about that what it was like opening up, the friends and what life has been like since opening up. And and honestly about the struggles that even kind of understanding depression, more and getting some of the help that she needs or be like being open about it knowing that that doesn't mean that it's gone knowing that they she can still have ups and downs. And and then in and even those times not one hundred percent sure what to do with them. But so I just feel. Shared so much. Good information that this kind of turned into a little bit more of a long form interview. And it couldn't wait to share it. So and again, not just because she's my daughter, so okay with that said, I let's get to the interview with my daughter McKinley, aka macky over. Over. This is handle Friday, right? Cast with genes. Yeah. On. I think so. Yeah. His Barry white yet. These harry. Story right. Oh, my guess is my daughter McKinley, overweight Mackey. Well. Now, you're gonna catch. Yeah. Like, I'm I'm more nervous than what I'm talking to heads of state global politics. Because all sudden like man, this is big chance just out her dad's is a complete fraud. Take on record. I wouldn't air. Yeah. No. It's up to you. We're saying that. But it was funny to me as I will get I will get Email feedback and there'd be will it really want. Mom on the podcasts. Oh, go try. She won't because they want to know is the questions or sometimes like, hey, we've looked what it's like to be married to their there. And my wife's like your mom Wendy says they wanted to student at free reign. Now, surely doesn't say that she says that she doesn't want to when she shy and that sort of thing. So now here you are so for Stanley member ninety something episodes, Josh, so, but I almost feel like if I asked you what was it like growing up the das- arabists, you're gonna hat. You're obligated. Wonderful amazing. No. But I think it was. Hey, more. I really do. You're very you're very good. As separating being dad. There is certain us to hear. I turned on it went to just talk about before. Yeah. Yeah. This is his you're, you know, obviously, the mine where she says that you're a very good voice of reason. You know, what I mean like Indo nice to hear? One of the things that I talk about constantly, are empathy. And that you can't, you know, nobody wants to be should on this you that as a parent you want to say that stuff all the time. Obviously. Right. But I mean at at the end of the day. Teenager. You wanna be heard to do that true? And you're very good at that balance. I would say that overboard on this lot of times with it. Either sessions said Castro we'll talk about you know, I just would go up and lay on my kids floor and just ask them tell me about your day. Whatever I think when I think about that. I think about doing that in your own yet. And those are some of my favorite memories that I had the insult. Not just Florida feel like okay? Here's a little bit hard. If I. Wonderful now on her busy. Renault before work out cert- by null space down. Oh, not now man every time. Okay. Okay. Say hang out. See this is good. That's a legitimate. I did I didn't. So couple of quick things to love it. Said a on this side. And I said, yes, you're her own the nurse out on the side over here that no good side. You know, you're saying that your quote was different. It was. Okay. But I was gonna say you, look great. That's what it does. Really? Right. But you said it's because of. The incident president web, and what was your beans? On the catch. Catching sitting down eating bagel. Just trying to write getting ready. And then I dunno where for hits me in the nose and the nosebleeds for almost thirty minutes. And now there's implement side in on this site. So I have a good nose on this side. And not on that us. Look the same your own. Fair. Two different noses frisbee incident daughter. Mckinley nicknamed Mackey I always want to you. I tried to call he near little you went. Yeah. I try to everyone. Hugh, your why you just you make MAC. Yeah. Somewhere or December on that became neck? And I hate you hate it. But we try to get into changed to right? Everybody knew years machi-. Yeah. Going into colleges. Couple people are coming. A song of dove out every time. It says MAC it'll be McKinley. Right. Does. Okay. Zu Dir nineteen birthday December twenty fourth asked. What was that? Like, I don't have over. Sad. General's hours three hours. Yeah. Number twenty four met his birthday breakfast. And it was crepes and everybody would come over. And but we know you mother night did separately special. Mom wanted tons of yesterday. Tons of Chris maybe the dad was the one saying always think of Christmas. I really miss Oba's. You're sainted mother was saying no, we need to go overboard on your birthday and richness. Yeah. So the you know that you were actually your date with your new whiter yet. White you aided. I'm really I love the United State in the nineties. Remember it? Well, right. So you're currently freshman net. Are you Idaho study what I mentioned edge? You mentioned you literally home after the whole months area for Smith. Her house. Whole it's really cold her. It's the worst. I don't like the cold where you're yeah. No. I like it. Yeah. It's just I don't likely. He says the coldest eleven. As I'm watching. Eight thirty in the morning. Uphill no jacket. We're jackie. Bid Sunday OB film. Snow both ways. So super cold expert, which setting the joke is is ver- follies always joke there when we drop your older sister years ago, it was negative for the whole week. And I ain't never been negative negative. Yeah. Your sister house that it's really good. She never have. On this on the hollered been what you would hope it would be different about, Alex. It's because it's. A lot more like high school, just in the classes. I don't know for some reason it be it feel different doesn't okay super harder. Earl sudden. But. The atmosphere is different. It'll be his people want to be. Yeah. Which I like his in high school. Yeah. He had it had to be there almost an colleges that you paying classes. So people are. More. Which I like a nice each other's supportive of each other. Yeah. Just like, you know, what's going on that it's a risk. In its yet. Yeah, they want to be there, and they wanna be together for the most. So that it's not okay. Because you don't do not necessarily have the troublemakers in class. Is that while? Yeah. Like grown up his heart and everything, but it's not okay. You know, doesn't have. No, that's nice. Yeah. And you aren't we jump into this? And then we'll get to the stream hosts degrees. I won't have VN the description. So it's not like we're in this big reveal about depression. But you're in is the vision major elementary education, or what is it actually hall? Okay. So I liked talking about how did you come to that? So we take us back in mckinlay's the wave that kinda she at one point you want to be marine biologist. Remember that? That you're able you into a whole series of interviews, and you one what was that angry with Dave? So as incense tetris. Yes, all these women who are in the science fields. Right. Yeah. And it was like in. That's where you are heading and Sony appointment that was saying that scuba diving it was sort of by you. Aw, did that you're no. He has said that's. That's a big part of it. We have a pool. Right. A very friend of the water, actually K. I enjoyed it. When I was flow. And then I don't know one day. I was like well actually long segments califor- tag. Right. I would always do the whole thing. Like, no, that's something you when you MAC eating bond over that. So I was a supervisor. Thirteen or something like that? Shakes so okay. While on off the Channel Islands, and I remember what the Monterey, but. Yes, yes. So you were you were gonna be marine biologist. Still. I remember we went to the Monterey Bay Aquarium in. We would stuff over and over we right? I talked to someone on time and dolphin training phase ago time involved that too. Yeah. Yeah. So that was that's where you're headed in a little period where you're not quite sure what you wanted to do. Or was there really? Do that. And then I think once I kinda got over this reneging Olis' kind of important. Yeah. Senate. So tell me about I don't remember what you started. Earning. And why did you start was it just money job filthy lucre? No. So I so my junior year of. Yes. I was a year ahead meme just from Fred, I wasn't good at it. How well API calculus as junior. And I cannot do math is not can't do it the whole of your head. You're like he'll say. I was in two days. And then I cannot do this dropped the class after two days. Okay. But it was a block schedule, and it was every single day into costs. And so. Sign it. I had to fill up then. So like. Taylor because she was in this are appea- represented Asian class that was to houses have the same time. Those kale to take that enough. Elway about that senior. Okay. This point was that no interested events emission things. You really wanna do it? So we had life on their dealer. Was tutoring. She had her getting a job and she's the pay using her. Do it myself this day like you should just this whatever. Yeah. Little money. So I just went signed up started. Starting the age was what? They're greater that year babysitting. Yes. Always different about two summer youth. You loved it. Right frequent right. Yeah. I don't even know something like I never been around that age of kids of basic training. Yeah. But. Just like. Go in there. They get excited. Like, literally, just, you know, get around helping one after the other and teaching them helping them with what, you know, not just the night is I don't I just like there is. So are you talking about you and share experiences where you started understand what some kids are going through in their home? And you felt like that you felt like you all of a sudden had this a video, man. Teachers really make a difference. Yeah. That there's a couple different little ones clinically. So there like one girl on a field trip. And she dislike, you know. They always they tell me all day every second get dollar, you know. Yeah. So she liked cannot choose excited of anxiety in. Oh. Oh. And she's like about it like on the bus stop out teachers that their home again. We're never and and so I. Better. Let me know. And then ended up happening like in there and shoot shooting refer to as she's overheating that was your weight as as this units. Reading an ivory grand side and debris is reading. So I'd sit through that just Hoggard the summit used to say you did not care for. Unnoticed. Do you still? And then there's another girl that like notes your was totally happening. Then she would activates you use the phrase overheating Williams, she built site with us in like that, you know, having a few times they're out that year as realize like in that moment, you know, a little thing that, you know, just teaching them things for. Dessert every and then. There's another day that there's one girl that just I mean, she's being fight with everybody. Unlike shoot is just so upset, and I didn't know what to do. Choosing talking another kid in the class and she's into crying unwilling to do. So it's like you. So it's like you run outside edge start talking and she opened up to me. She's third grader while as she is all about like his view that she came from how she moved out of this longer. Just all this crazy story like. I don't know. I never thought about a third grader dealing with that yet for you know, sure that they'd be impacted by it. And so I didn't know what to say, I just hope to just hug your, you know, I'm your friend like I'll be. Little conversation. And then from that day forward is like she had a different attitude, and she's like walk in. They're not looking to fight. And she like she wants her day, and she'd she liked talking to make it as though sides. Thing where it's like. I don't know if she's a third grade. But she just needed a friend someone, you know. Bation? So I don't know just little things like that. Like totally changed my perspective on teachers, I wasn't a big fan of school in. But it's like you don't realize how much impact people in your life have even at that age. Yeah. Yeah. Whole new lights. Yeah. The the art you'll lighting. I mean, you've always been pretty good with that. Anyway, you you've had friends some view and and ask for help revive, sir. That comes natural or develop over time. I feel like it's a little bit of both. And I feel like hard even goes back to having doubt as they're hoping that always been. Like. Four were like in for your house. It's yeah, we're people, you know, listen and. That was just crying. The parents. And then I just like I think part of it is just the natural his people always listen, everything in and that. I think when someone I told me that that's kind of cool thing I work on it. Talking to me. I would like consciously make an effort to make sure I was seeing. So I regret out because I do like a lot of that is sometimes, and it's it's almost sad. Look back and say, we need permission to kind of nurture some of those things that maybe we would like to be better edible. But again, when you're young you, don't you're you're nervous about if I kind of go all in on trying to be good listener via good brand. Or you know, that will something I'm doing wrong that I'm you know, I I remember somebody telling me when I was in high school that I was good doing the announcements the I should. Yep. Who speaker one person said that and then examined that was like, oh, I'm in. When you're talking about the grownup when you were saying that they're saying, do you remember how you guys would mercilessly tease me for trying to teach you yet skills? Emotionally. Yes. Yeah. I kind of but yeah. I remember this factory. Newport Beach on vacation. Let guys. Like, you're just Mt. It's not EMT. That was funny. Yeah. You know, at least talking right? Yes. One of the one of the things on the part of the teacher L here. One really quick thing too. I cannot believe when I talk you your school. And I didn't realize it when you're learning to teacher that you're literally learning how to do stuff with little kids how to teach them, right? So isn't part of the homework joke about you're doing construction paper and crayons, and I mean have you into much of that yet? Yeah. So my jerky Lassie have the this workload packet every week in like there's part of it. That's all this it requires a lot of work in effort answering questions that that then half of it is literally just you Heller label, your apps, and that is a big part of it. His those little things are so important accents. Yeah. And then we go in that classes, while we have these like lesson presentations that we have to come up with the lesson in gender straight like a little activity to bring treats in you. Joe sailing. I will be snacks. You have to you have to a cool SuperBowl cine get the like is not easy. Like, we have all the hard. You know? But then there's also this side of the where you're not learning. How to let these Cape have fun learning. Yeah. If you went in and said, hey Kherson shopping now like overall presentations are always those five minutes. So maybe, but you know, I try. Okay. Good. It's one of the one of the things that I really was excited to bring Yuan is I wrote down the notes here. So we're ten which was world mental Health Day. And you you've been pretty open about on your social be Uman pretty open about absence of depression or gear. Would you say at one point you then said eight years on? Long. Right. Yeah. Was it was in senior high school? Okay. So there is one. Yeah. There was one day that I just decided like, I just really. I don't know. I felt like it was something. I would be okay with talking about. And then they started opening up to my friend. And I noticed how it was more positiveness. And so then I was like why not just throw it out there? So that was may twentieth. And I I like may twenty from you is as something mongering. Okay. What would you post that day? So you said. The quote behind for everyone. You need is fighting heart battle in that. I said today was reminded that we all go through things every single one of us a little over three years ago. I was diagnosed with clinical depression anxiety. It's something ideal at every day, something that hasn't been easy into something keeps myself in a few close others until recently. But that I'm not alone in it. We are never alone. Life is not easy enough. So okay. But we need to beat the each other. Always we all have stories. There's nothing wrong with sharing them. Don't have good days bad days. Okay. She was kind of always because you never know what those around you are going through, and then I should have pictured bracelet. I have little seventy bracelet on every single day. As reminder that there's lighten every day in every lint. There's good interbay look for it. And remember that brighter days are coming the sun. Always rises than more kindness. More love. No. And that. And that was I mean. Yeah, I the responses over well, I like. I think it may be my friends that I had like I so many people that hadn't talked to years of that daily new like reaching out to the just saying. Just kind of thinking before it saying that life because socially, everyone posted stuff, you know, ever knows that into it's like I had a couple of people saying that like your life seems perfect everything. So it's like. It's like it was so comforting to see that like. I yield crazy subjugates not, you know, as you enter just opening to meet in that like everyone deals. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's jealous that I you have loose. That was like. All about. And so I kind of just hammered an advocate for after not in. That's just like. Good listening thing it something that they once. I realized that was something I I was trying to work on like I just had worked on that ends. Like, I said I was mentioned like I feel like I'm a much higher her before. And it's like. But I've worked on so good. Yeah. Try to make a characteristic or one which which is it shows people say, but no, it's just Rhianna. You can that awareness. You can work on that of your bowls. The hind you can still have you're gonna have the feelings you are getting frustrated whatever. But then priority work on type. Yeah, I've tried to. We're gonna make it priority. I do truly feel like his now. Your DIA yard is a what I forgot about with. That was you know, it was so wonderful for me to see you post. That was obviously the dad, but it was the dare to be to that. When I am late under floor, and we are talking about open up your friends, or when you feel at times like your friends were not that you would say the aren't there for me? But it was basically like they don't get it. Or if you really healing down. We would say magical be with your friends. Right. And you're like they won't understand. They're gonna ask me why you just end that was when you were worried that if they know that under oppressed yet. Right. And not that it's not productive thought thing, man. I would only known earlier who knows everybody's gonna Chirs. If we knew they want to live there your, but I do like that that at its core. Would you tell you tell somebody now if they were listening, which of people are gonna be listening? Right. I don't. Yeah. It'd be listening Barron somebody in high school or apparent as a teenager. They're going to say he listened to this. Guess what's going to happen? What would you say about that opening up the friends or being more vocal about some of the struggles? What would you say? No, I just I feel like there's no her doing. Because like, I know there's all the stigma like you don't mental also. But. I don't know. I like for me. It was like I. For me. It's like it's clinical is like say, my brain is this thing that's always there. But it's it doesn't define me though, is just seventy not realizing that. Like, this is something I have to deal with and it's something that I will most likely deal with for the majority of life, and it's like, you know, yacht sucks. But you not you said that it is what it is. And then try to do the most things than for me. I realise that was opening up about it. And so it's like once I had accepted become comfortable with the fact that it was a trial. I would have to deal with. I had no problem opening up about it. Like, hey, this is what dealing with. And and it's like, we're all in beings of people are weighing more empathetic than you think. Right. So I felt like once did open up is like. For so long. My friends are you kind of had a suspicion. But it's like one side opened up about it. Then they felt like they could have unit for me, more and woken. I'd like that. Like people core do want to help. But they don't know what to do. It's like it's just it's not productive for anybody. Young feeling opening on it then open that door. For communication in either for me, which allow me to be there for you know, the whole thing just yet. So just say like, it's really hard to open up about it. It's not easy as some people might think differently. Look at you differently. But it's like, I think it's so worth it to just be open by the vulnerable to have those people, and then you know, as cheesy as the people that really do care. Everything power there for you help you. And you know, it's almost kind of host weed out like been the herd doesn't abrupt away and then no judgment on people. They don't know what to do with their key. Apple it notes. They probably have their own other stuff that they're doing innovate. Yeah. Someday. They'll they'll probably realize what how could I should've been there. I could have opened over that you that. I really liked that though, the so you're saying that you you would say talk about it open yet. This has thing you just have to throw it out there late. Again, other side note, but like. Hard for me talk about. So I just I just typed out that you know, that out. I read it to you guys. And I was like is that. Okay. And then I literally like more posted it yet. I just put my phone away cry when you read it to a little misty. Yeah. Yeah. I just posted my phone away as a deleted look at what anyone says, I just left it for the rest of the day that I looked the next day. It is like. You have to just have to do it. And I think it's worth it. Glad we went into that one too. So then I think the big thing there is that that doesn't mean been Mandela that's out. There will never have again. No. All right. But now it's out there Gasa with a lot of friends. You know, they wanted to do something in to try to. Obviously down any shells it. Yeah. Or maybe like, that's really fine. You should just anyways. Look, you get you don't feel like you need to do anything, you know. And it's like. Good on vents, and it just helped college. I mean is hope you'll have your mom, and I saw we wait pretty the college game. So good that whole way up of Ottawa. So we drove out there with you. And I really like it was fun. But it was still that maybe things will go. Well mine. I'm like, you know, right? Honestly is sung in a heat it. I'll be home rising. Biz zone over. Parents us navy. There was that reality of. Hey, I I'm going to do whatever candidate position. But it was like, but I was prepared. You will we're going to head. Whatever. About it. Almost the point where I felt like them to get to feeling we're going to run to go to the gym you come back into. Okay. And like. Like. Yeah. Yeah. I know. When anyone so harassment since you've been up, there seems like it's spent amazing here. How how much you've enjoyed it. I mean, there has been there was a little down period. Right. Yeah. And I still I mean, that's different. Now, you're gonna be more open about it. Is it all slack? Okay. I know that the down substantive there they're getting. But now it's like I'm hunker down to make it through. And then, you know, then what was it like when you had a down since you've enough there. Did you feel like oh here we go or like, settling boys? No excuse you days than it will be back. Yeah. It's kind of like, it's kind of just accept it. Okay. This is gonna be might be just as day by last couple of days. But I just you know, I acknowledged what I'm feeling that. I I. Yeah. Buckle. Cater we go. And then you know, now that like opened up about it is like I could couple friends leading you. I, you know, remember like he is or wanted states than I could. There's yielded. And I just held on the fact that had knew it would get better. And so then just try as what is like, you know, a little different homework. Get myself out of my groom, okay? Like just go step outside or like I'd open my window sit on my roof. I just try to do the little tiny things kind of the same camp except like really down for all. Those are still that awareness is even a little bit of movement was doing do you? So maybe you can address if someone's listening in their friends or they have a friend that struggles oppression when they're having one of those down days. What what what helps me? Oh, because I think everybody's wants to say, hey is gory banner just with us earth. What we has. So I mean, first of all just the whole don't you're not gonna fix that. You can't fix try. If you haven't thought of wait outside for a walk. Yes. Yeah. So I just I don't go into thing. Like, I'm gonna get you. Not. It's not how it works. And so I think. I think the one thing is just saying like like, I am here for you. And let me know if you need anything because sometimes I've down I do want stay center, you know, this. But I just you know, let me processes let me get through this. But then other times when I need to be, you know. To just. Pageant thing. And then it's it's the little tiny things that help to like one of my friends one day, she goes down. It's like she just she randomly showed up unannounced, and she just had some cookies, and she was like, I don't know how to make you feel better. She's like, but I know I like smooth. So here's some just, you know, and it's like not even that, you know, I didn't even really want hungry, whatever. But it's just the fact that she went out of her way to do that. In the moment. So much into shows. Like while risen really does is remind like is gonna be okay there there. You know? I don't know just little things like that. Like, you're Rambis story San Diego, the cuyamaca hundred king remember that. So when we're gonna go running race a hundred sixty two miles of these what the jungles of San Diego or the Boris San Diego. Yeah. I didn't know the ad for us. Right. They see you. And then that you were saying that he wants to go with us. You're feeling right. It was like I did. I don't know. I don't like to be by myself necessarily at times your way. At that time. I don't feel comfortable. I don't want to be by myself. And that was gonna mix like morgues ice up to your as Hanoch view is. And and yeah. If you realize we got another kid. Ego belly that, but when you as be what was eighteen miles of electric miles imac, you said I'm in and we ran among Randy the last eighteen miles of this race dark males the trails. I was that it seriously one of the best thing to but by far. Yeah. One of my favorite memories that I have I was was is low train but in care. Yeah. Kinda just going off of that just like as hard as you just have to force yourself to do little things. I just you know, like even just saying handling with you guys. Right. I didn't want you necessarily. We'd never talk about you know. When did I gonna get away yet? I bet your. Neighbor hard Nablus bid his own interest. But I was like I knew that I needed to. So yeah, just saying can go you've oughta ticket in. All right. We'll get him back. Yeah. And so they had a forced to go. But then it had nothing so hopeful in so fun in eater says the soda. That is. Okay. So is funny. Bits commerce launch. Good stuff already to think you like I didn't even think about the arts about with friends in about being vulnerable and opened up in that. I was I was gonna do was the one tenth world mental Health Day. And so what kind of led up to this house? This is our second lesson. Yeah. Yeah. So what let to dispose. I didn't have any plans that I just saw that like it was world, whatever. Yeah. And and then I like seen a couple of people at postings. You know, just say never misses an opportunity that I can like say something like, I didn't know. What knows? I want action say anything just like, hey, what they, you know, scientists again, I started like in my nose typing, something and then. Elegance. Pretty solid. Yes. Mayes those out there? P your phone record. You reading this on the pipe cast that recording. So that I can. Federal the narrator. You're you're right. So all right. This makes sense. Well. Okay. So all right. So can you read that poses October tenth world? Yes. About six months ago depression, anxiety, running alternate high life in all tied love I didn't want to be here anymore Yang ready to give up. But I didn't I'm still here. I'm still fighting life is so hard. But it always gets better. I can promise you that this this youthful worth sticking around for. I'm so grateful for every moment and opportunity I've had it slice apart and look for into so many more I cherish every laugh in smile at year. The good days Anna that there are so many people haven't met yet. They haven't done seen heard or experience jokes. I haven't heard places. I haven't been throwing outlined on the piano dogs. I haven't pet since I haven't watched and Sony Pictures. I haven't taken yet. So today, I'm happy to be alive. And I hope that you are to be kind always not only to others that yourself to check it on your friends often till the people you love that you love them spread love only love this world needs more lights, do everything you can to get in a matter. What you do or what you go through ever ever ever to Lavelle? You didn't get a lot of pictures of of a lot of the things that I had just turned. My most fear pictures ever might just a my friends of me place event. Just. Yeah. So like, I reach vulnerabilities, right? No, sir. Pitchers of the mom. Moment. I only have I don't know. It only close knew that you were so comfortable with us that we were right? In fact, have boasted you already know you would have been living here. Get our Sony makes your the the dogs, and I won't you on two dogs. General you home, your kids kids, and they're so much fun. You're around them right now with break, but cool things that were pretty pretty fun to cover us said song another piano, you this up. Did you even know all of the work that you were doing in high school when you were feeling down? I mean, you learn you'll learn how to draw draw. Well, you learn how you clearly have piano, you heavily tar to seeing you. Learn all these things what what was that about? What was on with that? I didn't even really I didn't realize. I was. There is the entire really. I just. I felt so hopeless. So I just didn't wanna do anything. I had nothing to do. I would just you know, a lot of paper. I start sketching something in that only century minutes. No, I don't use anymore sites out. It's like, I just you know, just little things like that. Had the art classes in school side be like drawing there, and it just kind of a distraction. So I wasn't even like necessarily trying to learn or get better at things like that. It was just like it just by mind off of everything out says the focus on so yes, I just like start drying. I was bit at first like now, I'm good. You're part of you is raising much that I put on the notes by way effort you make instructs right? You got to anything you just to learn. Split a heap while where every Sunday you made something. Yes, maybe more never Sunday review. And like, I mean appear Charlotte. I taught myself there was just like. I was just looking for anything like any little thing of hope or something I could enjoy or you know. There are slowdown. Second jets needed one little thing. That was like I like this. I'm good at this year running like super running for time. That's part is look back at you know, some I know that the same was like urge their data in our area. Here. You're tired of abuse the runs from the school. And it's like, you know, that annoying. I don't think it will. I think maybe. My siblings might think harsh with me out. You know, I was running my thing. I enjoy it. And so I was like, oh cool. We're doing this. And the I dug it I liked it. But he had you really your your school years. You earn over? You wanna fight K outright, a great or something you guys and everything after the government run that was pretty cool. Then do a lot of five ks. That's being really well, though, staus fun. That was your thing. Yeah. Yeah. Software year, really good than you start getting a bit certain. Juries right, which Denver, sweetie. Yeah. But that was your thing wasn't. I we still love Uber. When we would go out of town for whatever reason, and we would you when I remember sitting even Alex Jacob musical running Lee scored area or town, whatever or tried to catch a bunny, totally as Tussaud south. Yeah. Know anytime. Are on C mourn. Yes. Right. That was that was a Tony piano lessons. You didn't wanna take them? That's my biggest sometimes regret. But as play you learn to play I mean. Yeah. Because I like are you make your kids take this question may? No because I hated panelist. I didn't take them for a long time. I just hated them. Sounds like I really understood the basics of it. But I couldn't really play it. 'cause I just hated it. I wouldn't practice, and then I don't remember what finally onto let me not take them in. And it's like I didn't play for years completely forgot. And then it's like I took some little hitter panel class in high school. Didn't again didn't really learn anything. But then it got me thinking like kinda like this kind of cool if I could just, you know, sit down bust out something one PM. Then you know, when down whatever like, all, right? You'll try to link up and then. As from taking like we handle those super beginner books like panel books and stuff, and I would just like doing do know the story behind those. No. So I always want to play the piano and never took piano lessons than remember Ariza. Lady will come over Santa Montgomery to teach me lessons, and I would never practice and she would be like oh, keep stay with. Finally, I felt so bad wasting your time. So that was like oh by books, and I'll teach myself, I never did that either. And I almost obsessively collected beginner piano material win, I learned that will exactly which makes me so happy. Yes. We're finding them in that Russian. Yeah. I just worked on that. And I you know, I got to wrestling every single day. I got to the point where I could like, you know, I can cite right now can read pretty much crazy unitedly. Yeah. But I don't know because the kid question. I don't know if I'd want kids to just because I didn't get anything out of it. When I hated it does core that is like eight parenting issue a building of trust with your kid. I it all on them over Selma's now. But I feel all wills down to the way the piano thing works. I never have met someone who when they're adult regrets that they took piano. But I have talked to plenty of people may couch say with said, I don't feel it my parents gave me choice, and maybe there's even a little resentment there were so what a fine line to. Yes. I mean, that's a little nothing. But I feel like I would I will gladly play the piano with my kids. But not be like, hey, you have to do this. So if you're playing around the home thought is that my love of. Oh. Project that rather than hey, you have to do. So I will live it to say this. The no fund whatever kids like I do wanna do that do like the musicals opened up. They really changed on eighteen right? Right. The only thing that we didn't own the goat. So it was the last year this time, we ran they have thought and Davis. Less you're so yes, your import rain Bill Tinus. It was west. It was holes too, right? Thanks for coming on today. We cover way more ground than I thought it, right? Really cool though because I feel like I feel like you really did a nice job of expressing just that whole. What is like the open up about something that can feel scary or made sense? Getting ahead of myself, what me lessons, and I think that you know, so appearance are listening to this teenage daughter here early teenage son here because yours yours a beautiful woman. Young woman beside be that was like worried about opening up about it than in opening up on social media open up your friends, and again that doesn't mean that there are going to be tough times the head but make it easy for yourself. Right. All right. So, you know, be mom on the podcast. Thanks. Try this. I literally invited her today. Come watch us says just going on, and I was going to Roper and then I'll talk to. Okay, the pardon. Also when she hears that. All right. Thanks coach. We'll have you back. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Okay. All right. I've there's other things I should say that would be much more clever. But. I'm still motions flying. Pushes the day. Pushes things. Exciting discount. Tune in the tank. Until. 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"And it's time for Nicole Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive. The voices network Monday November fourth was unbelievably Donald. Trump's one thousand in eighteen. Th Day in office. He lost an appeal to keep his taxes private of it which he says he'll appeal to the Supreme Court. He was sued by an alleged rape. Victim Jean Carole for defamation. One of the Giuliani associates signaled. He's ready to cooperate with the inquiry and the House released the first two of dozens of impeachment inquiry transcripts those of Maria von Vich the former former. US Ambassador Ukraine and Michael Mckinley former senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike pompeo Donald Trump's newest rallying cry is read the transcript transcript. He's referring of course to the summary of his delight. Twenty fifth. Phone call with Ukraine's presidents Alinsky. He's even now selling shirts with those instructions. Ends emblazoned on them. Well we already did and you just confess to extortion. But the directive to read the transcripts is now coming from us regarding the volumes of testimony given in the impeachment inquiry deposition so far which are now being released every day from the first batch. We learned learned that Secretary of State. Mike pompeo has been caught in a massive lie in Michael McKinley testimony again. He's the former senior adviser to Pompeo. McKinley said that pompeo help trump and Giuliani oust Maria von Averge the respected ambassador to Ukraine. And that he had urged Pompeo three times minds to defend her but in an interview with George Stephanopoulos pompeo declared that he had never heard McKinley. Quote say a single thing about her ouster you know from the time. That embassador departed Ukraine until the time that he came to tell me that he was departing. I never heard him say a single thing about his concerns suspected the decision out not once not once George Ambassador McKinley. Say something to me. During that entire time period to more transcripts ups are set to be released. Tuesday what hidden gems will be uncovered with the next transcript. Release well for once. Let's do what Donald says We did and we'll continue to do so now. If you think that's heavy reading just wait. There's more in response to freedom of Information request battles with Buzzfeed News and CNN. The Justice Department released five hundred pages of interview summaries emails and other documents related to the Mullahs report. This is just the first dump of over forty six thousand pages to be released monthly in no particular order. The first batch includes interview reports and backup from three people. Rick Gates Michael Cohen and Steve Bannon Jason Leopold. Of course did the LEGWORK for Buzzfeed is feed and he's a first guest on Tuesdays. Nicole Sandler show which airs at five. PM Eastern two Pacific on the progressive voices network. The free podcast will be available at Nicole. Sandler DOT COM by six. PM Eastern Congress is out on recess again this week but there's lots of action in DC anyway. Of course the three committees working on the impeachment inquiry still in session although the four witnesses subpoenaed to testify on Monday all refused citing the whitehouse telling them not out to appear. The courts are hearing case to determine whether or not the administration's claims of executive privilege or constitutional immunity or valid. Well Tuesday used as the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November meaning that it's election day with key elections being held in Kentucky Mississippi New Jersey and Virginia. Everyone is closely watching. The result is a barometer of how the house impeachment is affecting races and for the status of trump's sagging popularity in suburban areas so November fourth twenty nineteen was that often the distance date. 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TR Vs. Other Presidents
"The only way is through a new podcast in partnership with iheartradio underarm players coaches and athletes share intimate and personal stories of performing at the highest level. This season Notre Dame women's basketball coach Muslim across battling a losing record every game knowing. You're supposed to win. That really weighs heavy on your shoulders tonight. I said at one point. Wouldn't it be great to be the underdog again? My husband said be careful what you wish for and here we are. Listen so the only way is through available now on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast. History versus is a production of IHEART radio and mental floss shifty adroit log heat cold blooded narrow minded prejudiced obstinate. Timid old psalm singing Indianapolis politician no more backbone than a chocolate eclair. A flubbed up with a streak of the second rate and the common in him puzzle with fat head brains less than a Guinea pig. Yes those are the words of Theodore Roosevelt's president of the United States author philanthropist avid reader and inspiration for the teddy bear. He was from most accounts a kind and sociable man. But if Roosevelt found flaws he was quick to articulate them. A fast and furious tore into put-downs designed to bombard the target of his attack with insults. That might require a dictionary to fully process. Roosevelt didn't unleash these particular tirades. Just anyone he reserved them for individuals. He held to the highest standard because they held the highest office in the land for Roosevelt's anything less than the naked harsh truth directed at the commander in chief would be a disservice to his country. When it came to other presidents Theodore Roosevelt. Pulled no punches. How did again? We're about to find out for mental floss and IHEART radio. This is history versus a podcast. About how your favorite historical figures faced off against their greatest foes. This week's episode is tier versus other Presidents Roosevelt famously tempestuous attitude towards politicians may have started with his impossible standards his role model for all things. Presidential was Abraham Lincoln the sixteenth commander in Chief of the United States and one of the few presidents Roosevelt had no quarrel with. He grew up in a household where Lincoln was revered at least by his Republican father. The`senior the. His mother Midi a southerner and confederate sympathizer likely other feelings fee had worked with Lincoln's administration during the civil war and even joined Abraham and his wife Mary at Church after Lincoln was assassinated in eighteen sixty five. His funeral procession ran through New York City from his grandfather's mansion in Union Square six-year-old Roosevelt. And his brother Elliott watched as the president's coffin was carried through the streets photographer even captured the moment a young theodore appearing out of the window. And what would be the first of his many eye witness experiences in history. Here's Clay Jenkinson. Founder of the Theodore Roosevelt Center at Dickinson State University. In North Dakota Lincoln in Roosevelt was the savior of the country. He was also a friend of his father and tr worshiped his father and his father's associations anthea regarded Lincoln as somebody who had the Moxie and the moral strength to do the right thing against almost impossible odds and he knew that Lincoln had paid the ultimate price for that that the bend the SAS naked in part because he grew in office whereas most presidents as you know. Don't Berlin office. They decline but Lincoln was one of the few who actually grew in a big way during the course of its presidency residents admiration for Lincoln endured throughout his life as President Roosevelt referred to him as migrate hero a degree of affection. He reserved for very few people aside from his father with Lincoln's portrait hanging both in the White House and in his Home Office at Sagamore Hill. Roosevelt was constantly reminded of Lincoln's legacy. I look up to that picture. He said and I do as I believe Lincoln would have done. He even kept a lack of Lincoln's hair in a ring. Which Roosevelt War for his inauguration in nineteen zero five it was given to him by John. Hey who had served in Lincoln's ministration and went on to serve in Roosevelt's Victorian thing and it would make jewelry into them so that's what. Hey does he keeps these at the as to made and he has them for quite a while and gives them the. Tr Aware is inauguration. And that's tyler caliber to the education technician. Sag More Hill Roosevelt's one time home and now a national historic site. Lincoln is kind of this do credible president and I think it is on presidency. Would've liked to been president during a time like Lincoln nation's in crisis and all these kinds of major problems as president. Roosevelt enjoyed having a memento of Lincoln so close to him but he was not so fond of one of the other presidents. Who would end up on Mount Rushmore alongside him? Roosevelt was famously cooled toward Thomas. Jefferson blaming the long deceased president for his ineffectual efforts and building a military force during the war of eighteen twelve an for Jefferson subversive opposition George Washington's policies while serving as his secretary of state but it was Roosevelt's contemporaries that received most of his scorn that rant about a cold blooded narrow minded prejudiced obstinate. Timid PSALM SINGING. Indianapolis politician that was directed at Benjamin Harrison are twenty three Rd president from eighteen eighty nine to eighteen ninety three and the same man who appointed Roosevelt as a civil service reform commissioner around the start of his term. Roosevelt had campaigned for him when he was on the Republican ticket. So where did things go so wrong for one thing? Harrison didn't really want reform for federal employees. The position was more of a figurehead role that didn't suit. Roosevelt and his high standards at all in his mind if someone was granted federal job. It should be because they deserved it and not because they were owed a favor for the six years. He held the Post. Roosevelt was defiant putting lackadaisical civil service workers and departments in his crosshairs. He advised Harrison to fire. George H Paul Postmaster of Milwaukee for granting jobs to his friends his investigation into the Baltimore Postal Service where Roosevelt found workers soliciting money for political purposes on government property which according to historian Edmund Morris was against the Civil Service Code put him against Postmaster General John. Wanamaker even more directly. Wannamaker tried to run his own investigation into the matter and reported that it found that no wrongdoing had occurred but a house. Investigative Committee Acting on Roosevelt's insistence found that Roosevelt was right. Here's Jenkinson natural instinct to read the job as boldly as possible and to make sure that he got himself in the newspapers and to make sure that he was on the right side of these questions and he wasn't afraid to take on his own political party he'd take it right up to the edge and whether just like so annoyed and disgusted with him. Because he won't he won't play the game you know you just couldn't play the game. And they wanted him to be a figurehead. At least and to be. They knew that he was like the Best Stump Speaker. They had that we could galvanize audience. They wanted him to be less hectic and to be less certain of things unto goal along more than he did. This wasn't how government was supposed to work government wasn't supposed to be fair. Cynicism and cronyism mandated that politicians did favors and the winning team showed support but Roosevelt in care. What party anyone belong to? He was on a mission. And Harrison's allies were in the way he had no problem taking them down that commitment had consequences for their relationship when Harrison and Roosevelt met Harrison took to tapping his fingers a nervous tic that developed as a result of the aggravation. Roosevelt caused him. There was of course the situation with the Money Soliciting Baltimore postal workers and the fact that Roosevelt went after William Wallace the postmaster of Indianapolis a man who also happened to be Harrison's best friend for hiring incompetent and corrupt workers because they were Republicans later Harrison would save Roosevelt. The only trouble I ever had with him was that he wanted to put an end to all the evil in the world. Between Sunrise and sunset. Harrison's overt displays of favouritism needled Roosevelt's perpetuating some of his most articulate insults. He called Harrison the little gray man in the White House and a genial little runt behind his back. Roosevelt managed to last through Harrison's term and would end up being reappointed civil service reform. Commissioner wants grover. Cleveland entered office in Eighteen. Ninety three. He left his post in eighteen ninety five and became president of the Board of Police Commissioners in New York City. His next brush with the presidency would come when William McKinley ran for the office in eighteen. Ninety six McKinley campaign had given Roosevelt pause. Before mckinlay's first term Roosevelt Roach was friend and Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge that it will be a great misfortune to have McKinley nominated. If I could tell you all I learned since his campaign has progressed. You would be as completely alarmed over the prospect of his presidential nomination as I am when it seems like McKinley would soon be named the Republican nominee. Roosevelt dashed off a letter to assist her baby McKinley. Who's firmness I? Utterly distrust will be nominated and this I much regret. Roosevelt didn't dislike McKinley. He noted he was an honorable man of very considerable ability and good record as a soldier and in Congress but we're Roosevelt. Felt Harrison was politically savvy. He caught the impression that McKinley was without a spine. He is not a strong man or as about said unless he is well backed. I should feel rather uneasy about him in a serious crisis whether it took the form of a soft money craze a gigantic labor riot or danger of foreign conflict. Roosevelt's tune changed slightly when McKinley was elected. Gr was an ardent Republican. And you could never stripe. Republicans champ and so that would dictate it a lot of what he did. Mckinley appointed Roosevelt Assistant Secretary of the Navy in eighteen ninety seven. But the peace didn't last long. You felt that. Mckinley was unimaginative and unnecessarily cautious and and that McKinley was timid about going to war against Spain in eighteen. Ninety eight and Gee I really went under somewhat questionable campaign just sort of force mckinlay's hand to declare war against Spain when McKinley set. You know we've had one big war during my lifetime. I hesitate to to begin another one but tr read every possible story coming out of Cuba in the way made the Spanish look worst made it sort of a righteous issue of whether we stand for anything especially after the sinking of the main. So that's why. He called McKinley names and said that he had the backbone of chocolate eclair. He would later campaign extensively for McKinley. Second-term by this point. Roosevelt was more than just a supporter. After a two year term. As governor of New York he was the vice presidential candidate on the McKinley ticket. Roseville trump paid for McKinley. A really big way in one thousand hundred against William Jennings Bryan mckinlay didn't leave this psalm. In Canton Ohio ran that front porch campaign and sent out this voluble hectic crazy energetic vice presidential candidates do all the work on the Stump and Roosevelt. Cars threw himself into just head. Shoulders had the time of his life and took on Ryan and I probably would have won anyway. But it's Rozov. Who did the heavy lifting the campaign really found his voice in the American West. While doing you said horrible things about Brian. He said he was a human trombone. Is Church with my favorite thing? My favorite rose up in salt of all so he believed the McKinley was sound economically and he realized especially after eighteen ninety eight that McKinley could be manipulated or manage. Let's put it to pursue a more vigorous American role in the world. Then he might stick of intended when when thinks that Roosevelt would exert a little more patience with the guy on his campaign ticket but it's Theodore Roosevelt. We're talking about here for one thing. Roosevelt didn't really want to be vice president. He thought the office was ineffectual. And constricting I would a great deal rather be anything. Save professor of history than Vice President. He said here's Color. Berta man who cannot sit still put him in the vice presidency which is regarded as an idol office but Roosevelt's friends knew it was a step closer to the presidency. Senator Lodge urged him to take it on and stick by McKinley side declaring it invaluable for his future in politics. So why would McKinley select him as a running mate? He was more indifference than anything? Supporters Buzzed in McKinley. Zero that Roosevelt. Then the governor of New York and a war hero would bring some much needed fire into the campaign plus the New York. Republican Party machine desperately wanted him out of the state and so- McKinley and Roosevelt became the Republican hopefuls in one thousand nine hundred Ohio Senator Mark Hanna who viewed Roosevelt as a loose. Cannon was not a fan. Don't you realize he said there's only one life between this madman and the White House Roosevelt's concerns about? The role proved accurate. Mckinley never consulted him on policies and refused to let him interact with the Senate as a liaison as he had done with his previous vice president. Garret Hobart Roosevelt meanwhile found McKinley glacial decision-making process infuriating. But he wouldn't have to endure it for long on September. Sixth Nineteen O. One Kinley was shot in the stomach by anarchist. Leon show Gosh. He died of gangrene only a little over a week later. According to an eyewitness when Roosevelt heard the news and McKinley shooting a look of unmistakable anguish came to his face and tears immediately filled his eyes world. Yar was was in upstate. New York you have presided over the Senate for. I think five days before they adjourn the now he was sort of just wandering and giving speeches and going Hiking camping and writing and doing all the things that funerals does and he got the word that McKinley a shot and he made an trip to buffalo to be at McKinley as bedside and then he realized McKinley was probably going to recover so he went back. Thought it was unseemly for him to hang around a sick man's bed and so he went back to upstate. New York and he was on Mount Marcy. The highest point in the state when he a messenger came running up the path and informed him that the president was going to die that night. Roosevelt race to buffalo to buy McKinley side although he would be too late to see the president before he passed though they had their differences. The tragedy overshadowed any political divide following McKinley. Assassination it was time for Roosevelt to step into the role held by men. He had often criticized. The so called Madman was now in the Executive Mansion without experience afford him. A New Perspective on the challenges of the job of course would it? Prompt him to bite his tongue when it came to his successor. Probably not. We'll be right back. Hey guys it's bobby bones. I host the bobby bones show and pretty much always sleepy because I wake up or three o'clock in the morning. A couple of hours later on my friends together. We get into a room and we do a radio show. Was You're alive? We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world that we possibly can and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country. Artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music too. So wake up with a bunch of my friends. I Ninety Eight Point Seven W. MC in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you. I heart radio APP. Imagine what it would be like to disappoint someone with the standards of Theodore Roosevelt. Just think about that for a moment. William Howard. Taft didn't have to think about it. He experienced it firsthand. Taft was Roosevelt's secretary of war when Roosevelt Left Office. He selected taft as his choice for the presidential nomination. Taft was named the nominee in one thousand nine hundred and Roosevelt believes he would welcome advice with an open ear. Not Quite Roosevelt felt. Taft was a little too careless with his image. Seeing taft fishing and golfing. Instead of shaking hands and kissing babies he urged taff to put yourself prominently and emphatically into this campaign of his recreational activities. He said I am convinced that the prominence that has been given to your golf playing has not been wise and from now on. I hope that your people will do everything they can to prevent one word being sent out about either your fishing or your playing golf. Roosevelt had very particular ideas about how a president should behave and what kind of image they should project presidential candidates weren't supposed to be seen enjoying themselves. I never let friends advertise tennis and never let a photograph of me in tennis costume. Appear he said and Roosevelt believed that. Taft should allow his constituents to see him smiling. Always because I feel that your nature shines out so transparently when you do smile. You Big generous high-minded fellow. According to Color Berta tear had tight control over his public image. Very much thing with politicians today but a new concept in. Tr's time it's one of the things that made him the first modern president but he was very aware that you are going to be written about newspapers. Your image is going to be broadcast through. Newspapers people are going to see you even the ones that you don't interact with so if you're playing golf like William Howard. Taft did that. Has Its own connotations. If you're playing tennis that has its own connotations. Roosevelt thought it was feminine. He wanted to be seen as feminine so he. He doesn't allow anyone to craft playing tennis. If it sounds like Roosevelt was acting as an image consultant for taft. Well he was he was Roosevelt's handpicked successor and his success or failure would in some way reflect back on Roosevelt's legacy according to Jenkinson. Roosevelt was right to lecture. Taft about golfing because average people. Back then couldn't afford to golf was a rich. Man's sport takes time. It takes money privilege. Roosevelt said if you want to be the leader of people you have to narrow the distance between yourself and the common man not accentuated by being photographed in a aristocratic hoppy. Roosevelt had incredible political instance. He wanted to be photographed climbing mountain or being lowered on a rope in front of a waterfall or killing something. Because then that would be something. People could really respect but if you're photographed doing something that only the privileged to do. Then you're sending the wrong signals the country. It's not hard to imagine that Roosevelt's nagging irritated taft. The presses spin on things may have also rub him the wrong way. They decided that his last name could be an acronym short for take advice from Teddy. Taft beat Democrat William Jennings Bryan and tear was sure. His successor would continue his legacy of Reform Roosevelt left on a hunting trip to Africa for a year allowing taft a chance to make his own mark in office so tr was not as good a judge of character as his life. He'd he loved to have untapped was an incredibly able. But taps really wanted to be the chief justice of the Supreme Court And that's what he was well suited to and it was his wife belly forced him to accept the presidency. He didn't really want it but she was emphasis for him. And so t are bought. The taft would continue his policies. What he didn't realize the taft was not strong. He was big but he wasn't strong and so in the Republican Party of the time there was the progressive wing of people who wanted reform to end child labour in to lighten the burdens of or and. Clean up our food supply and so on and then there was the stand. Pat Wing. Rich capitalists. Who just wanted governmental. There'd be there. Handmaiden get out of the way and Roosevelt was able to hold those two tribes those two factions of the Republican Party together because he was a war hero because he was our first cowboy president because he was Roosevelt. But Taft wasn't able to do it have enough firepower enough charisma attach choose and he chose to move back towards the old stamp Patchett. P Morgan Rockefeller wing of the Party. Tasked didn't live up to Roosevelt lofty expectations. He found it easier to be complacent with existing laws. Then became combative. A former lawyer. He wanted to remain within the boundaries of office whereas Roosevelt was keen on exerting as much control as he could taft possessed none of Roosevelt's firebrand policies. None of his aggressive attitude towards improving the country at the end of the Africa trip. He wrote to Roosevelt to complain. I do not know that I have had harder. Luck than most presidents but. I do know that thus far I have succeeded far less than others. I've been conscientiously trained to carry out your policies but method of doing so has not worked smoothly. Poor Taft bemoaned that he couldn't even lose weight in some ways. Taft was like a sibling looking up to a bigger brother for approval. He invited Roosevelt to the White House. But Roosevelt refused. I don't think it will for an ex president to go to the White House or indeed to go to Washington except when he cannot help it. He sniffed timing again. Taft would make advances and Roosevelt would rebuff them. Taft would later say Roosevelt's chilly demeanor. Deeply wounded him. Taft was also faced with a fight between his secretary of the Interior Richard Bolinger and his chief. Forester Gifford Pinchot show who had helped create Roosevelt's conservation policy. The results was pinned shows. Firing had felt that he had assurance path. The Taft would continue the progressive initiatives particularly on conservation questions and went taff. Didn't Roosevelt felt angry. Betrayed and somewhat righteous and plus. It's just the case that rose couldn't stand to be in power he just couldn't stand not to be the guy who is the youngest former president because he was the youngest president and made a stupid mistake by renounce it got third term. He left at the height of his powers before he had finished all that he wanted to do. The friction grew worse when taft finally made a sweeping change advising the government to sue the monpolistic. Us Steel and Industrial Behemoth Roosevelt had tacitly approved of in nineteen o seven in order to avert financial panic. Not only was taft slow to act but when he did it was to try and reverse one of Roosevelt's decisions and irate Roosevelt actually penned entire published essays devoted to separating his policies from those of his one time. Friend THE PROBLEM. Roosevelt's decision on the. Us steel situation was probably a mistake. According to Jenkinson the key players in the merger concealed their true motivations from the president economics was not tr strong suit and he acted quickly to stave off the panic. But if he'd had more time to read up on his options he might not have approved the merger still. Nothing stopped him from defending the decision had made. It became abundantly clear that were manipulated and that it was probably An unnecessary thing and maybe an unethical thing done he just got more and more and more righteous about the same was true about Panama. When the Wilson Administration gave the Colombian government twenty five million dollars through just a gigantic hissy? Fit over that and broke with the Wilson. Ministration poison pen was not Roosevelt's only comeback. He decided to challenge taft in the ultimate arena of the presidential election Roosevelt nounce. He was returning to run in nineteen twelve vying for the Republican nomination. Against Taft those references to a club dub and someone with brains less than a Guinea pig. Roosevelt was referring to taft. The incumbent was quick to retort. Calling Roosevelt. A honey fogler or someone who gained an advantage by cheating as well as an egotist a demagogue and a flatter and after Roosevelt said he was no longer going to attack taft. Personally Taft proclaimed having called me everything in the category of bad names that are mentioned in polite society. He now wishes to indulge in less emphatic expressions. She'll know their friendship is has been damaged and frayed by all of this but now it was really a tragic business because taft loved Roselle he actually wrapped and said he was my closest friend by love. Pr and Gr was much less emotional about it was. He was really caught up in his unrighteousness so they begun to call each other names and you know. Roosevelt was great at insults aren't called about fat than all the other things that he said a puzzle with. How did the public react to his insults? Especially with Taft. Because it's not like you're insulting. Just anyone when you call them a Guinea pig power brain. You're insulting the president. Well most of most people didn't know about this. Most people were so they knew that the are was this like this cowboy that he was shot from the hip and that he was not afraid to punch somebody metaphorically or physically if necessary certainly that was his public persona that he was a Christian warrior and that he was not afraid to take on trusts or anything got his way and he loved that. Andy circulated those stories. He was glad that they circulated because they felt that they gave him a political advantage. But we know more about as they did because some of this was in private letters. The Republicans tried to curb the rivalry offering to arrive at a compromise and find a third candidate. Roosevelt would have none of it all name. The compromise candidate who will be me all name the compromise platform it will be our platform after a controversial convention that saw the Republican National Committee word. Taft the necessary delegates to guarantee his selection. Roosevelt could have been gracious in defeat instead he remained in the race breaking away from the Republicans and running as a progressive in his bull. Moose party the sniping continued up in the newspapers. There was like public was following suit in Roosevelt. Wasn't sorry he knew that is only path. Victory was to bring down the sitting incumbent president of the United States and so he wanted the public to share his view. The taft really wasn't up to it did any of his remarks come back to sort of bite him or like. You never really want to burn your bridges. And when I lecture about this Erin I always say that the tr the post president was really a very unpleasant person that he just couldn't stand not being in power and he didn't realize this when he left he wrote all these letters to his children. Like I've had my time of Luke Wilson and you know. Nobody's enjoyed this more than I have. And it's time for others. There's a weariness about me in the country. He didn't believe it. He actually thought that he was the indispensable man indispensable or indestructible preparing for speech at Milwaukee Auditorium on October Fourteenth Nineteen Twelve Roosevelt. Was shot by a would be assassin named John. Shrink he survived. He even finished speech shrank later. Said he shot him in part. Because William McKinley had come to him in a dream and ordered him to do the deed it seemed that Theodore Roosevelt's clashes with presidents. Both past and present were far from finished. We'll be right back dear. Young rocker is more than just a podcast about music. It's a memoir of how it feels to survive highschool when you don't fit in and the freeing feeling of picking up a guitar for the first time it's also advice for anyone who is for was young and his ever felt weird or alone. One of your rocker fan wrote to say. I truly wish I could teleport back to two thousand can give my younger self. This podcast and write your cellulite is just as pockets. Johnny ramones weird face on my wall. Another said thank you for sharing your story and letting my daughter No. She's not alone and that it will all be okay. The clubs pod mass says about you. I are this. Podcast exploring a relationship between gender rage and the power of music looking on earth. Time capsule containing forgotten strain of teamed him. Dear Young Rocker is written and narrated by me Chelsea Ersan executive produced by Jay Brennan and comes to you from double elvis productions listener. Dear young rocker on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts in competing against each other both taft and Roosevelt lost it. Was Democrat Woodrow Wilson who secured the nineteen twelve election. And Unfortunately Roosevelt didn't care much for him either. Both men were from similar backgrounds. Their childhoods made difficult by challenges. Roosevelt had asthma Wilson. Dyslexia both men lost their first wives to premature deaths. The to worked together when Wilson was president of Princeton and Roosevelt was involved in trying to encourage the sport of football to be safer for athletes who are risking their lives with minimal safety equipment and at one point. They even kind of liked each other. When Wilson was elected president of Princeton in one thousand nine hundred to Roosevelt wrote. Woodrow Wilson is a perfect trump. I am overjoyed at his election. Wilson was bookish and self-aware Keeney Roosevelt appeared to be larger than life. He is a real vivid person who may have seen shouted themselves hoarse over and voted for million. Strong Wilson said I am vague conjectural personality more made up of opinions in academic pre possessions than human traits. And Red Corpuscles in the face of such self deprecating commentary Roosevelt's still have it with both barrels Wilson. He said was a good man who has no way shown that he possesses any special fitness for the presidency. Here's Jenkinson just belittle or Wilson and treated him shabbily and undermine most presidents when they leave our graceful to their successes but John just couldn't be in. It wasn't a partisan you as equally awful to Wilson says. He was tapped as it often did. Roosevelt scorn stemmed in part from a president who deviated from Roosevelt's well worn path in a treaty with Colombia a few months before the opening of the Panama Canal. The United States proclaimed sincere regret that anything came between the friendship of the United States and Colombia like the Panamanian coup Roosevelt had sent a ship to support to Roosevelt. That was an admission. A sign of institutional weakness. He would never have allowed that. It was an open. Defiance of his decision rankled him even more in a press release Roosevelt called. Wilson's handling of foreign affairs such as to make the United States. A figure of fun in the international world. He criticized the treaty and with the help of Senate allies. Blocked the treaty's ratification when the treaty was finally ratified a few years. After Roosevelt's death these sincere regret clause had been removed but it was more than a difference of diplomacy in his heart. Roosevelt was soldier. He lived for combat the verbal physical or territorial when Wilson was faced with the decision to bring America into World War One. Roosevelt criticized his cabinets pacifism writing to his friend. Arthur Lee Roosevelt said that it is not a good thing for a country to have a professional yodeler. The human trombone like William Jennings Bryan as Secretary of state nor a college president with an Astute and shifty mind hypocritical ability to deceive play people and no real knowledge or wisdom concerning internal and international affairs as head of the nation on another occasion. He bemoaned Wilson's lack of action following the German sinking of the Lusitania and told his son. Kermit that a lily livered skunk was occupying the White House. Speaking to the public at large about this thinking of leukaemia he said this represents not merely piracy but piracy on vast scale of murder than any old time pirate ever practiced. Roosevelt said that the act constituted warfare against innocent men women and children traveling on the ocean and to our own fellow countrymen country women who are among the sufferers. It seems inconceivable that we can refrain from taking action in this matter for we owe it not only to humanity but to our own national self-respect a little Wilson's manhood over this that he wasn't a real man because he is Nancy. I think he called you. Know made all these Slurs about the volatility of Woodrow Wilson. Because Wilson was trying so hard to keep the peace in Wilson said that he was gonNA keep us out of war. Roosevelt's view and Roosevelt turned out to be right by the way Roosevelt was. We will have to get involved in this war. There is no way the United States America's going to avoid the moral or one so we may as well get ready for it and if we're prepared when the war comes will be able to fight it more. Successfully victory will be more complete to dilly dally around by the time you get in the war. You'RE NOT GONNA be ready for it. And that's then that's going to be a delay in that means you're not going to be able to control the postwar arrangements in Europe. You're going lose some of your leverage over the postwar writing to his son Archie. Roosevelt was even more accusatory placing the blame for the victims of the Lusitanian directly on Wilson shoulders as a nation. We have thought very little about foreign affairs. We don't realize that the murder of the thousand men women and children in the Lusitanian is due solely to Wilson's abject cowardice weakness and failing to take energetic action when the Gulf flight was sunk but a few days previously just a quick fact. Check here though there were reports that the Gulf light had been sunk it was actually just damaged and towed in. Okay back to the quote. Wilson and Brian are both abject creatures and they won't go to war unless they are kicked into it and they will consider nothing but their own personal advantage in the matter. Wilson however did put up a fight when Roosevelt goaded him into one the way to train. Adversary Roosevelt is to gaze at the stars over his head. Wilson said the men reconciled if ever so briefly when Wilson decided to join the war. Roosevelt came over to the White House and over. Lemonade pitched himself as going back to the army to take his post as a commander of the rough riders which had barnstorm to the Spanish American war in eighteen. Ninety eight and helped perpetuate Roosevelt's reputation as a hands on combatant. Wilson eventually refused which once again drew Roosevelt's Ir Theodore wars kind of changed since San Juan Hill. It's not done that way anymore there. There's no room for a Voluntary Cavalry Unit in France. Warren Wilson wouldn't do it just through rolled out who was naturally puck nations figure and one of GLORIED WAR. It threw him into a complete tailspin. Just wanted someone to punish. And there was Wilson and so he wrote increasingly awful these And then wondered why Wilson wouldn't send them over to France with a rough rider. Wilson later said he believed Roosevelt's caused was born out of Ego and self aggrandizement secretly. He may have also feared Roosevelt becoming a war hero. Once more could lead to a White House run in Nineteen Twenty Roosevelt's four sons wound up enlisting one of them. Quinton died in the skies over France. It was Wilson who confirmed the news via telegram. Roosevelt wouldn't live to see the remainder of Wilson's second term. He died on January six nine hundred nineteen. Some of his remaining days were spent offering editorials for the Kansas City star about his repeated criticisms of the president while it concerned Wilson it's summarizes Roosevelt's feelings about the office. He treated with such reverence. The president is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. D should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or his bad conduct his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal able and disinterested service to the nation as a whole therefore. It is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile to announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by. The president. Right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile but his morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or anyone else but it is even more important to tell the truth pleasant or unpleasant about him than about anyone else. Roosevelt was fiercely critical of the office of the presidency a role he believed needed to be contextualised and challenged constantly which could be one explanation for why he assessed other presidents so harshly but there is another possible explanation where his insults criticisms complaints and admonishments fed by ego by essence that he theodore Roosevelt could and did do a better job. Perhaps they feel like a lot of his hostility. You know was about sort of people to live up to his standards for what he thought the presidency should be but do you think his standard was just like it should be me. Just think of it this way. Who would you followed him? Who has his mighty potency and his power of language and his patriotism. This is nobody. Franklin Roosevelt in many respects save the country maybe save the world but he was a mere shadow compared to Kiani always lived in Envio. Tr's vitality NPR's cheer political joy at being in a good slugging match with his opponents or perceived opponents. So I think you know we. Sorta locked ourselves into a problem because what follows. Tr Wilson is a more kind of professorial figure and then the whole series of harding and Coolidge and so on these are just nonentities who released power back to the legislative branch tr was meant to have trouble no matter what but it was his own personality problem his own righteousness in his own sense that he was the only one that really puts him in such ugly light in the years from. Nineteen Nine Nineteen nineteen. The Roosevelt wasn't fighting just for the sake of fighting or to have his own legacy polished. He fought because he felt it was the role of citizens to confront government to force politicians to defend their positions and remain culpable to the individuals. They represent Theodore Roosevelt. Didn't want to fight other presidents. He wanted other presidents to fight for him. History versus is hosted by me. Aaron McCarthy This episode was written by Jake Rawson with research by me and fact checking by Austin Thompson field recording by John Mayer Joe Wiegand voiced Theodore Roosevelt in this episode. The executive producers are Aaron. Mccarthy Julie Douglas and Tyler Clang. The supervising producer is Dylan Fagin. The show is edited by Dylan. Fagin and low BERLANTI special. Thanks to Clay Jenkinson and Tyler Zeller Berta to learn more about this episode and Theodore Roosevelt. Check out our website at mental floss dot com slash history versus. That's mental FLOSS DOT COM SLASH H. I. S. T. R. Y. VS history versus is the production of iheartradio and mental floss for more podcast iheartradio. Visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows the entire first season of this time tomorrow is available now to binge from start to finish in this new IHEART series presented by team of business join me. Voloshin and characterize as we explore the exciting possibilities of the next generation of connectivity from cities to future farms. You'll find out. Just how much could change with future five g? Networks this into this time tomorrow on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. The only way through a new podcast in partnership with iheartradio under armor players coaches and athletes share intimate and personal stories of performing at the highest level. This season Notre Dame women's basketball coach Muslim McGraw's battling a losing record every game knowing you're supposed to win. 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Markovian Parallax Denigrate
"If you're listening to this you obviously like podcast and you probably like music to on spotify. You can listen to all of that in one place for free. Sorry and guess what you don't need a premium account. spotify has a huge catalog podcasts on every topic including the one. You're listening to right now. Here are a few things you can do on spotify. You can follow your favorite podcasts. You never miss an episode download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are you you can even easily share podcasts episodes to instagram stories. How cool is that just search for clouded on the spotify APP or Browse podcasts in Your Library Tab and follow me so you never miss an episode of clouded spotify the roads leading music streaming service and now it can be your Go-to. Eh podcast two on August Fifth Nineteen ninety-six a number of UN moderated usenet groups were bombarded with posts that to most people glaze ban. The majority of the posts had the same header Marco Vian Para lacks denigrate were followed by a seemingly seemingly endless string of words that didn't make sense together then around two thousand six. The new theory emerged from Internet detectives. Cadets messages have been secretly hiding deep government secret. Are you ready to jump down the rabbit hole <music>. They tried to say the come up empty. These so called word puzzles have confounded and frustrated all those who have searched for its meaning on today's episode of clouded we try and tackle the indecipherable. We have four questions. We will attempt to answer number one. What exactly happened on August Fifth Nineteen Ninety six number two. What are some explanations number three who is Susan Linda our number four what is supercomputer known as the will souls what exactly happened on August Fifth Nineteen ninety-six the Marco Vian Para lacks integrate is considered by most to be the first Internet mystery. This is mainly because it appeared online before the Internet as we know of today existed. The mysterious post began appearing on what is. Known as using it usenet is sort of a messaging bulletin board system that was implemented in nineteen eighty and still widely used in nineteen ninety six WCHS on August Fifth Nineteen Ninety six several hundred strange messages began popping up inside of different discussions across usenet. It has become known as DEMARCO Vian parallel x denigrate because a majority of these weird posts had it in its subject line. This was followed followed by a series of words that did not make sense when read as a sentence. Here's an example of one of the many messages that was sent Jitterbug jitterbug McKinley ape break newtonian inferring cau- Update Cohen air collaborate ru through sportswriting Rococo indicate tussle shad flower Debbie Sterling Pathogenesis script for her Advantageous Novo A._T._T.. Most Chairperson Dwight Herzog different pinpoint point dunk McKinley pendant firelight uranus episodic medicine diddy craggy flogging very AC Brotherhood web impromptu file countenance inheritance cohesion refrigerated Taymor phen- Napkin Inland Genero name -able yearbook Hark. What are some explanations? The first thought that comes to mind is spam strangely enough. The very first spamming incident incident in Internet history occurred a couple of years prior to M._p.. On Usenet in one thousand nine hundred four over six thousand members in different usenet discussion groups respond by two lawyers. This ban was employing people to get in line for Green Card before it was too late the dual you're spammers claim to have made one hundred thousand dollars from their spending and that's part of the reason I'm not buying the spam angle on this usually Lee spam is Test at a Chat Bot why create this program only to unleash it to a set of people who probably were not going to interact with your program. If if you're creating something like this you want feedback on your hard work. This was not the way to do it. There's also the possibility that this was the work of an early troll someone who found pleasure in causing a little bit of chaos if this is true there will never be a way to confirm it unless the perpetrator someday it comes forward with some proof that is not happy who is Susan Linda our only a a few of the original messages remained from the original N._p._d.. Attack and one of the email addresses in one of these messages cut the is so keen bloggers. The email in question was Susan Underscore Linda our at W.. O. R. F. Dot U.. W. S. P. Dot Take E._D._U.. And if you're a national security buff the name Susan Linda Our will jump right off the page to you. Susan Landauer is as an American antiwar activist and former U._S.. Congressional staffer WHO's charged with quote acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign government and difficult and violating U._S.. Financial sanctions during the run up to two thousand three invasion of Iraq. Susan herself claim to be a C._I._A.. Agent she was incarcerated in two thousand and five and released the next year at the two judges ruled her mentally unfit to stand trial. The government dropped the prosecution Asian in two thousand nine thus the conspiracy theory of M._p.. Being a government agent was born in the conspiracy flourished online and grew rapidly. The Internet seems to be fertile ground for growing conspiracies but this conspiracy was put to rest in two thousand twelve article on the daily daily Dot Com written by journalists Kevin Morris in this article Hit The fifteen second rewind button on your podcast player whenever need be there is a science fiction book series called the well World series written by Jack Jack l Chalker the series involves a planet sized computer known as the willow souls that builds our reality on top of an underlying one of greater complexity city but smaller size. Here's where the series of books in our own N._p._d.. Connect the well of souls supercomputer was built by a now extinct Therese DeMarco vegans who developed the well souls with the goal of creating a new species that would transcend their own. My next question was why why would they want to create a new species world. Here's what I found the Marco V._N.'s achieve zenith of technological advance to the point that they had material sharia wealth limited only by their imaginations they quickly grew bored with material utopia and decided that in their development they had gone down the the wrong path their solution was to return to the primitive roots not as one race but as thousands of races in the hope that one would reach supreme contentment this lends itself to the theory in our real world where you're listening to this podcast that we are currently living in a computer simulation. There are some compelling reasons by this might be true. We won't go in depth here on the podcast about this idea but I do highly suggest you do some research search on your own. This then made me want to look up the definition of the word para lacks denigrate the definition of paradoxes quote the effect whereby the position or direction of an object appears to differ when viewed from different positions the definition of denigrate is to attack the reputation of defame when I put all three together made me think what if there was a glitch in the Sim software we are currently living what if the I tried to communicate with us but we as humans can't understand it. Would we see the truth of what we are and where we are if we change our position of you we then like what we saw will disparage it by saying it wasn't our truth for more information and to get some links to articles pictures and videos regarding this story please visit cloudy Mysteries Dot Com follow us on twitter and instagram at crowded podcast unlike our facebook page lastly. Please give us a review wherever
News Brief: Impeachment Transcripts, Election Day, Climate Pact Withdrawal
"This message comes from. NPR sponsor. Xfinity some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like Xfinity X.. By get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make WIFI simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply. The impeachment inquiry is happening behind closed doors. Of course but now some of the transcripts have been released. That's right one of the transcripts is of the testimony from former. US envoy Voy to Ukraine Marie Ivanovich and it is clear that she felt president. Trump wanted her out. We'll have the transcript from Michael McKinley testimony that was made the public. He's the former top advisor to US Secretary of State. Mike pompeo McKinley resigned in protest. Feeling the diplomatic core was being undercut and get ready. We're expecting more were transcripts to be released today. NPR diplomatic correspondent. Michelle Kellerman has been following all of this as it develops good morning. Michelle Good Morning Noel. So there was a lot of interest in what ambassador Ambassador Yovany which said behind closed doors. What did we learn from her? Transcript or we learned a lot more about how she was ousted from her post and and why that's important certain. She told the committees that she. I learned that trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani was targeting. Her from a Ukrainian official who told her to in her words watch her back That official also told her about Giuliani and to Soviet born American businessman who wanted her withdrawn. She believes that in part for their own on personal business dealings and Von describes that as a dangerous precedent You know of course presidents have the right to choose his own combat later but Ivanovich suggested that trump made the decision based on untrustworthy figures including a former Ukrainian prosecutor who spread a false story about her and then retracted it. Okay so she had a lot to say and then. There was the testimony of Michael McKinley. The man who resigned he was a little bit of a lower profile. Figure than Yvonna. Vich what did we learn from his transcript. Well his testimony was mostly about how all of this played in the State Department. As you mentioned he was adopted advisor. visor to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and he saw pompeo is doing some things to improve the department but when he read what the president said about ambassador acid uvarov which in that now infamous phone call with Ukrainian president that she would go through. Some things was his quote McKinley tried to get the secretary. Take issue a public statement of support. He said look. She's still on the roll she's still a employed by the department. We should just say something nonpartisan that we we respect the professionalism in tenure of Ambassador of Ambassador Ianovich that didn't happen and McKinley said the silence had significant moral moral effect on morale at the state. Department okay so today. There are some others transcripts that were expecting these or other key. Witnesses whose are they and and and how might they shake things up. So we're talking about Gordon Sunland and Kurt Volker. These are two who played more of a central role to what the House committees are investigating that is whether trump was withholding military aid. Depress Ukraine to work with Giuliani and dig up dirt about the Biden's and look into discredited theories about the two thousand sixteen election. Meddling these two men facilitated contacts between Giuliani and the president and The incoming President of Ukraine Gordon Sunland was a political donor. The current ambassador to the European Union. So he had the access To the White House that others didn't Kurt Volker was the part time. US on Voi- WHO's main job was to help cranium resolve the war fueled by Russia in eastern Ukraine. Okay so there will be a lot of interest certainly in what they had to say. Michelle Lemme ask you. Lastly about a story. That's been developing since late yesterday. So we have news reports courts now that there's a key player in this investigation who says he's willing to cooperate with impeachment investigators. Who is this person? What is he offering quickly? So we're talking about left Parnell harness. He's one of the two Giuliani associated to is at the center of all this including the smear campaign against Ivanovich. He initially refused request to cooperate with the committee. That twenty had a lawyer who once worked for trump but as Reuters. I reported his new lawyer has opened a dialogue with the House committees to due to cooperate but also to reserve his constitutional right to avoid. Self incrimination okay. NPR's Michele Keleman. Thanks so much. Sure thing they are. Today's a big election day. In four states voters are going to be picking new governors or state lawmakers L. makers or both and we're talking about Kentucky Mississippi New Jersey in Virginia and we should say we are just a year out from the next presidential election in some of these major contests are shaping up to be really close today like in Kentucky where President Trump was rallying last night to support the incumbent Governor Matt Bevin with trump right by his side Bevan with speaking to a crowd crowd in a place that basketball fans know very well the legendary rupp arena where the University of Kentucky wildcats play basketball better. This is better than the final four. I'll tell tell you. What in terms of energy? This is extraordinary. Thank you Kentucky. It is critical that we go top to bottom run. The slate votes straight Republican Kentucky Kentucky Races in Virginia and Mississippi are also expected to be pretty tight. NPR's national political correspondent. Don Gonyea is online from Kentucky. Good Morning John. Good morning morning. I'd say you're at the president's rally last night. The President of course has his own reelection to worry about. He's also got impeachment. To think about. Did he seem able to focus. On the governor's race. The the president did talk about Matt. Bevin is here to help him. But he's also making this race in Kentucky very much about Washington about his own battles last night night. He talked a lot about impeachment. He called it a deranged witch hunt. And he's linking the Democrat running for Governor State Attorney General. Andy share to speaker Nancy Pelosi and to intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff and to the impeachment proceedings for sheer. Doesn't represent you you. He represents the Washington swap at. He's backed by the same people trying to overthrow the last election. Okay so president. Trump is is trying to connect to Andy Bashir to Washington to the swamp. How is busier campaigning? In the face of that so Bashir had a big lead at one point in this race and in the final days it has narrowed its very close and while The incumbent Republican Bevin has embraced trump. Bashir has tried to you. Just keep talking about the issues that he sees as important to Kentucky voters things like healthcare. Listen to this ad of his. The actions of our current Governor Governor Tara our families down they harm those most in need and they don't help those. That are forgotten. When I say I'm going to be governor for all Kentuckians? I mean we can do so much better and as governor. I'm going to ensure that we do all right he's trying to focus on the issues Kentucky's close And that's notable because it's a red state why they are some of these races so close down especially in Kentucky. Democrats still have a registration advantage. So people don't necessarily vote They don't vote. Vote Republican Democrat. I'm sorry at all in federal elections but in a statewide race A Democrat has a chance Bevin has has been massively unpopular because he's picked fights with teachers over their pensions and Gus. He's tried to cut Medicaid expansion. and Andy Bashir is from a well own family his father. A Steve Bashir was Kentucky governor until just four years ago. Okay so tight race we'll be watching it. NPR's Don Gonyea. Thanks so much don pleasure. The trump administration has formally told the United Nations that the US is leaving leaving the Paris. Climate Accord this withdrawal will take effect after a one year waiting periods. That's one day after the twenty twenty elections if a new president is is elected he or she could reverse this decision but for now the United States stands alone when it comes to pulling out of the climate pact. Andrew Light is a former State Department official who helped negotiate the agreement. That's one of the ironies of all this even though we're the ones pointing to these potential scenarios problems with the countries we seem to be the biggest problem so so what does all this mean for the year ahead Robinson. Meyer writes about climate change for the Atlantic. And he's with us in studio this morning. Thanks for coming in absolutely. Thank you for having me. Good morning so the. US has officially officially notified the UN. We knew this Wisconsin. We've done this is coming for a long time. What does it mean now so it means it means actually efficiently definitely leaving okay? The next year the day after the presidential election actually The US will withdraw from the Paris Agreement. Now we could then reenter could have as soon as the as the the following year so the next president could immediately take a state of it's not president trump But it means that there will be a time next year where the. US is not in the climate negotiations where it's not participating in words not able to bring to the force of American diplomacy onto other countries in into other moments of climate negotiations climate diplomacy. Let's talk about the forest of American diplomacy. This all makes me wonder whether other countries that have signed that have signed onto the accord or using the US US backing out to backout themselves. So people were worried. We're GonNa see that what actually seems like is happening is that the the bigger risk is that countries will just go and decarbonising urbanizing prepare for climate change by themselves and kind of leave the US behind so a great example here is that solar panels for instance were invented in the United States. The United United States still has many of the patents for them yet at this point Germany and China basically control both manufacturing and kind of the whole global supply chain for solar panels because they have climate Emma policy and they buy the most and so if they were to decide to really lean into that and to kind of prepare even more climate change than they are now and to cut their emissions and decarbonised urbanize even further They could wind up basically having this whole global industry that even though the United States invented it has no role in the modern version of. That's really interesting and that could hit the US economy. I would imagine it absolutely could because at this point you know renewable jobs actually renewables generate more jobs in the US less than fossil fuels do or than cold as at least And over time you know more and more energy jobs are going to be in this renewable space. AH in preparing buildings. Climate Change and building sea walls and all this kind of the more we let other countries take over manufacturing and take over those industries. The more jobs will be other places and not here. Okay Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo announced all of this on twitter. He says the US has its own way to deal with climate change range. Do we know what he means by. Its own way. We don't. I was shocked. He said that you know these two things we've done We've cut coal and moved to natural gas and that's like moving from coke to diet diet coke in away and then some states have their own climate policy but the trump administration is trying to stop those so. I really wasn't sure what the secretary was talking about. All right I would imagine you have a couple. We'll follow up questions if you have the chance. Robertson Meyer covers climate change for the Atlantic.
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October 15, 2019
"Urban has been exactly three weeks since Democrats announced they were going to begin the process of impeaching the president. And here's where we are Democrats are conducting a series of hearings and depositions. Good Morning I'm Anna Palmer and welcome to your political playbook audio briefing stay tuned after the show for a Message Association of American railroads and I am g Israel's history see what powers smarter safer freight rail network learn more at A. R. Dot Org the President's team has a plan and I intend to support them as strongly as possible and to give them a reasonable time and space to achieve our mutual goals Graham said meetings with a National Security Council lawyer about Rudy Giuliani's Ukraine efforts desert area also tweeted that former Pompeii adviser Michael Mckinley who Mike Pence is expected to lead a delegation to Turkey in the near future Senator Lindsey Graham back on with trump yesterday saying he was on a
Introducing American Elections: Wicked Game
"The twenty twenty presidential election will be unlike any other in history. Recent events have turned what we knew would be a circus into perhaps a crisis but presidential elections are no strangers to crises. American politicians have been viciously clawing their way to the White House since before there was a White House. There have been scandals assassinations affairs. Backroom Barnes as remarkable are the times we live in now when we look back. Politics has always been game played. Dirty American elections. Wicked game is a podcast. The reminds us that they're really never was a good old days of presidential politics. We review all fifty eight presidential elections in US history from the unanimous election of Washington in seventeen eighty nine to donald trump's surprise victory in two thousand sixteen each episode explores the ruthless and remarkable in American elections. You're about to hear clip from the American elections wicked game episode nineteen o four Parker Versus Roosevelt rough rider. Teddy Roosevelt was many things a scholar. A conservationist of progressive and a thorn in the side of just about everyone. He was also pretty good with his fists as you listen search for American elections wicked game wherever you listen to podcasts. And be sure to subscribe. It's a cold summer night in eighteen. Eighty four outside Nolan's hotel and Mingas Ville Montana weary traveler strides through the streets. You sauce it from the road. He's had a rough year. He recently lost his mother and his wife to escape the pain. The traveler has treated himself to a private soldier. Horseback rides the badlands and prairies. And the Dakota Montana territory's he's been riding long and hard tonight. There's only one thing. His heart desires quiet drink. But as the traveler approaches the entrance to the hotels tavern two gunshots ring out from inside one of these places traveler stops in his tracks annoyed. There's clearly trouble in the tavern but it's a cold night and there's nowhere else to go so he pushes open the door and walks in any way inside. There's a small group of customers alone. Bartender doing his best to deal with an unruly drunk shabby looking fellow when abroad hat with two guns one in each hand. He sees the traveler walk-in. Hey four eyes. You thirsty the is used to people making fun of his glasses. It's been a recurring theme throughout his life. But tonight he's not in the mood. So ignores the drunk fellow and slides up to the bar a drink place but the drunk doesn't give off you stumbles toward the traveler and calls out. Yeah get four is here a drink. As a matter of fact four is is going to treat everyone here to around. The traveler lasted off and get some distance from the drunken fellow. He sits in the corner of the room by the stove as he warms his hands. That traveler notices a clocking on. The wall littered with bullet holes. He shakes his head in disgust. Just then he feels the drunken fell slide in behind him. Hey listen you son of a bitch when I say you're buying around you're buying around? Got It the travelers. Patience has worn thin. He slowly stands and calmly replies. Well if I've got to. I've got to traveler clinches knuckles and throws a swift hard right to the drunks John. As the drunk recoils both his pistols go off. Luckily no one's hit. The traveler quickly throws to more punches. Quick laughed and hard right as drunk falls to the ground travelers. Snatches his guns and on the way to the floor drunks head smacks against the bar. His body goes limp. Heats the hardwood with a Lapthorne. This drunk picked a fight with the wrong man. A natural fighter. The four I travel took an interest in martial arts early on and carrying down obsession with him into adulthood. He studied various disciplines from boxing to Kendo. From wrestling to judo he would practice them his entire life. I as a student at Harvard University then as governor of New York and finally as Vice President of the United States under President William McKinley after mckinlay's tragic assassination filled or Teddy Roosevelt would become America's twenty-sixth president but to keep the White House and the election of nineteen. Four Teddy would have to win the fighting on the campaign trail. I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked Game Theodore Roosevelt did not like the name. Teddy in fact he despised it but he was a larger than life man with a larger than life personality and despite his distaste for it the name stuck it was a rare example of Teddy. Not Getting his way as a young boy. Teddy was weak. Frail and sickly. But he devoted his time and energy to developing physical and mental strength. Not only was he a martial arts enthusiast and an athlete he was a published author by the age of eighteen by twenty three he was a renowned historian and New York State Assemblyman. By thirty eight he was the assistant secretary of the navy and a thirty nine. He was the colonel of the first. Us Volunteer Cavalry known as the Rough Riders Roosevelt and his rough riders played a central role in the US victory in the Spanish American war. His Valour and bravery on the field of battle launched his political career and made Roosevelt a household name. This national renown catapulted him on the way to the vice presidency but on September sixth nineteen O one. At the Temple of in Buffalo New York President William McKinley was shot twice in the belly by the anarchist. Leon Shalgham at first appear. Mckinley would recover. Roosevelt himself was confident of this. So shortly after the assassination attempt Roosevelt left buffalo to join his family on a trip to the Adirondack mountain range in New York. Mckinlay's conditioned though took a turn for the worse on September fourteenth while Roosevelt was climbing mount to haul us a guy delivered him a telegram. It read the president is critically ill. His condition is grave. Oxygen is being given absolutely no hope almost immediately. Roosevelt began the four hundred mile long journey back to buffalo traveling down the mountain on foot then journeying south west across New York's mountainous terrain by carriage finally arriving in Buffalo by train while on the journey Roosevelt had remarked to a traveling companion. If it had been I who had been shot. He wouldn't have gotten away so easily. I'd have guzzle him. I by the thrust of an assassin's bullet. Teddy Roosevelt became America's fifth accidental precedent. You would use every ounce of grit determination and strength in him to deliver results for the country and make the office his own in the nineteen o four contests. The Democrats would learn a hard lesson about Teddy Roosevelt. The same lesson learned by the drunk man in the Montana tavern anyone standing in Teddy's way was to take a beating. This is episode thirty nineteen o four Parker versus Roosevelt Rough. Reiner hey everybody. I'm Patrick Wyman. The host of wondering show tides of history tides of history takes you deep into the roots of our present day world and brings you the lived experiences of people in the past in our latest episodes. We've been talking about the Holy Roman Emperor Charles. The fifth who in the sixteenth century controlled more of Europe than any ruler in more than a millennium but Charles's reign was full of calamities wars everywhere from North Africa to hungry to the Netherlands and genocide in the Americas. 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The Pro-Life Case Against Abortion
"Yeah. Joining me today is the founder and president of live action of prolife organization which advocates for the dignity of all human beings. Lila rose. Welcome to the Rueben for having me Dave debate here. Well, I'm glad to be here to you would reach out to me like a year ago about having a civil conversation about abortion is that even remotely possible. We're going to do it. We're going to see because we do I think most people watching this from the beginning. Just from the way I injured you know, that we have a different position on this. And that's okay, I've had this debate and this conversation, I don't even want to call it bait I've had this conversation with Ben Shapiro and a series of other people, but this is the one I mean to me abortion is the one that is the most polarizing and sort of. Just makes everyone absolutely crazy. So let's put it that bear. And here we go. So just tell me a little bit about yourself first before we get into the specific I head up this non not for profit. But that's most of my time in life. But I'm also big into my family. That's really important to me. I got married last fall and actually seven sibling. Wow, really pro-life. Anyway. And then I live in Berkeley right now. Berkeley, California born and raised from San Jose, wait a minute. Wait a minute. What are you doing up in Berkeley? Yeah. They okay with your alternative lifestyle up in Berkeley. Yeah. It is very alternative. But you know, that more people are open minded on this. Then I think we give each other credit for because people just assume they they have like an opinion on it wants to engage and have a conversation. People people can be very open minded. So there definitely are people that are just kind of your stereotypical Senator ways. This is my ideology, I've had some really good conversations in Berkeley. So I think people find it really interesting to see how people have either evolved or not evolved or changed or not changed when it comes to abortion. Did you come from family? That was I guess you said family was was pro-life conservatives Republicans. They would I I definitely think they'd benefit as conservative they weren't necessarily activists. So when I started live action actually started as a teenager. It was kind of an odd thing because they were not out there doing active, active, activism are doing activism any really political kinds. But they were very people that. Care McKinley really cared about other people that cared about education. We were home schooled to turn it of lifestyle. They're kind of like hippies in a different way because they are all big family home school. We had like chickens. We got some chickens back. You can play with the chickens later. So okay. So you've got into this topic. I mean, you started doing activism related to abortion when you were in high school. How did that possibly come to be? So we again, kind of I was actually taking college classes when I was twelve like, we had a really kind of mismatched patchwork education, we did all kinds of where I was going to some high school classes, college classes, so there's a lot of free time and flexibility in my schedule. And I had a lot of passion ability to pursue things. I loved and what I found out about abortion. I was just very very concerned. I was really interested in all kinds of human rights issues. I was really I was involved in volunteering with children with disabilities volunteering with homeless ministry house building and in Mexico into famine relief in his year. So I was really into just wanting my life to be served give back and when I about abort. And I started to really consider what was happening. So there's three thousand abortions every day in America. So that's a million a year. And I started to look at the fetal development and see just how amazing this little life is even in the first trimester that this is a life and just the violence abortion does so that life, and I was learning all this in my early teens. I was deeply struck because I thought if this is really life, and these are really humans like you. And I are humans, and you and I started every Dave back in the day. Very fashionable. I'm sure in Europe. But we all started that way. And I was just thinking I thought I realized this is the greatest human rights issue. I can get involved in a lot of other causes. There's a lot of things to care about. But this is life and death for three thousand people a day, and they're people that are not protected by the law. They're seen society of less than not human and women girls. I mean as a woman as young woman, very limited time, I just thought I'm being told that taking this life is a good thing can be a really good thing for me. And I thought how can this be this violence violent act? So that really inspired me to begin live action. And the idea was I just need to get a group of friends together to do community education, basically community organizing to educate other young people in high school in junior high about what abortion actually is about embryonic and field development about the risks to. Women. No, one talks about the risks to women about the way, it's harm society. And how this is not peace and Justice. This is actually violence and injustice, and if we want to be better together and be more loving and be more more compassionate, we need to radically. This all together from our society. This soda. The Rubin report comes to you with support from our friends over at Bravo. Company manufacturing in the second amendment, the founding fathers, guaranteed and individual the right to protect themselves owning rifles, and awesome responsibility. 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I mean, what what was that like to just put yourself as a young person out there because I get so much Email now from from kids that are in high school that whatever their issue is they're starting young libertarian club. And just the amount of hate that they deal with and all that. I mean, we definitely got a lot of rejection, and because very few people like when we were pursuing schools to give presentations at schools or even churches meeting rejection from churches wanted to go and develop this very professional presentation on the facts, right? And we got training, and we really did a research and we developed this whole program, and literally it took a whole year to convince the first church to let us come in. And give it presentation to the to the youth group there, and it took several months and two years to really start getting schools to allow us to come and give presentations, but we did make why would you be getting pushback from churches that I seemed were completely ideologically aligned. Well, just because you're. Ideologically aligned in theory doesn't always mean are aligned in practice. So, unfortunately, even in church, and a lot of Christian communities abortion isn't talked about women are having worshi- even some people are encouraging women to have abortions even pastors in some situations privately behind the scenes their daughter gets pregnant, so there's some really awful things that happened like that. And there's this fear of offense. It's a fear of ending their congregation or it's just wanting to be Mr. nice guy all the time or missus, MRs nice guy or nice, girl, whatever. And so people are frayed to talk about the tough things. Even when according to the research has been done the people who are having abortions as many people identify as Protestant or Catholic as secular and not no religion who have abortion. You have people who are maybe not going to church every Sunday, but who has some sort of fake background who are not really educated and not really empowered. So they're also having abortion. So that's part of the battle is getting. This message forget your religious label is getting to people that really touches their hearts, and then you make inroads in the church community provide the support for women who based on expected pregnancy. Were you shocked just how hard it was just getting the conversation going because the way I always frame this. If you listen to broadly speaking, if you listen to how the media deals with this is if you're on the right that means you hate women, you ought to somehow control women, and if you're on the left, and you're pro choice that means that you hate babies. I mean, that's basically how it's framed and not just through the media. That's basically how our politicians framing it. How did you find you could sort of get past just the box that people look at this? I mean, most of our most of our impression of what the left really says in the right really says or what abortion advocate, supposedly really are saying, meaning just a normal person who identifies as pro choice, like their representatives in media versus what we see. Or what we think are the representatives for pro-life often displayed in media are not the actual fullness of the position, and they're not actually dialoguing. So the benefit of being a teenager at the time and talking to like sitting down with past or going to the school administrators and trying to get in roads was that I was able to just talk to them as a human to human and discuss what we could bring to the table discuss our program, and it wasn't too people debating in five minutes segments on TV show, something when people actually talk to each other your communities things change when they actually have a respectful dialogue. It doesn't seem that way. Though, if you were to watch TV or look at news headlines because it looks like the world is so crazy. Polarized. So okay. So if we were just sort of starting from the beginning here, if you were sitting across from somebody, let's say they were neither here, nor there on the issue. They didn't feel strongly their way or they just wanted more information. What are some of the things that you would be telling them? So I would start by first of all finding the common ground with them. I'd say do you think and Dave do think that it's always wrong to intentionally take a human life an innocent human life? Is it always wrong to intentionally take an innocent human life and pretty much like ninety nine point nine percent of I'm going to wait on answer. So that we get to our our differences. I think it'll it'll have yes intentionally wrong to interact directly taken innocent human life. And I was like, okay, great. We all great. So number two of Boertien is the intentional direct taking of an innocent human life. And that's usually where like really tell me more about that. And obviously the last. Inclusion of being therefore abortion is always wrong. But then we have to pack will lie is abortion, always the intention direct taking of an instant human life. Well, first of all, we know because science shows us that a unique individual human life begins as a single cell embryo at the moment. Fertilize Asian like you, and I both began our life that way. And from that moment are sex was determined our color, our hair color within three weeks, our heart. Started to be within six weeks are nervous. Our brain waves are starting to can be detected within seven weeks, you believe it. Life begins at conception. It's not I wouldn't call it a belief. I call it an acknowledgement and acknowledgment that life begins at conception. And then we know that you actually look at abortion procedures. There's no debate. I mean, they intentionally directly dismember disembowel destroy that child that life that human life in the first second third trimester. So because of those two facts. Abortion intentional taking of innocent human life is wrong. So okay. So there's a lot of a lot of ways we could go here. So. All right. Let's do some of the more science stuff. I. In cases, where there's a threat to the mother less. We'll just rifle off a few of these what what position do you think is right or just or fair. Yeah. That's a very important question. And there are certainly cases where pregnancy can be complications or severe complications. If those were to be the case, the intentional direct taking that innocent, human life and abortion is not a medical treatment. This is a big confusion that often happens in kind of pro-life pro-choice soundbite debating lingering actually talking to each other because they're like women need abortion for health. And when you actually unpack it early delivery. So in some severe cases, for example, if there are. Ruptured membranes are infected members inside the uterus. So those are attached to the baby in some cases, you might have to persevere infections at starting to form you might have to deliver the baby early. That's not an abortion that's not targeting the baby's body for destruction using forceps or using drugs. That's delivering the child because she's she or he is touched to a part of his body that's causing fiction. So that would not be an abortion pro-life pro-choice agree that in some cases that may be necessary. And but for any other case like, for example, if I get chemo get cancer, and I need chemo. You don't have an abortion, you might choose to undergo chemo, and that's in targeting, the cancer cells might harm the baby and the baby there might be miscarriage. But that's on an abortion. So you can do any number of treatments as a woman who's pregnant who might have complications or my other conditions, but the direct taking of that life going in there and targeting that baby for destruction is not a medical treatment wrote. So are there no cases where it's a direct threat to the woman's life that then? There. There are cases where the things related to pregnancy might be threat, and like, for example, ruptured or infected membranes. But in that situation delivering the child early that's not going in there to tear the child apart with. I mean, the way abortions are done abortion aren't done through ineffective child wasn't ready to be given birth to right. And that would really tragic case. But in that situation, there should be careful management of the pregnancy to try to allow that baby to live for as long as possible in the womb. So that there would be a chance for the baby to be delivered alive. But the point is not using just a forceps in a lethal injection to kill child before delivery, but trying to give that child a chance, and if the child were to die after delivering because he or she has to premium too much of a premium preemies keeps getting pushed back back as twenty one. It's twenty one weeks now that some babies and a half that conserve is after birth. It's mazing they're so teeny. But we should at least give him a chance. And that's that's a total mentality shift. The mentality shift is are we going to attempt to save this life this life of the child as well as we treat the other. Or are we going to just say this life is not a light? Right. And we can target his or her body for destruction before birth. Okay. So that's dealing with health of the mother. So what about cases of where it's health the fetus or of the child. So I know somebody within the last year or so that had an abortion a little bit after twenty weeks. I think because the child had severely severely. Underdeveloped brain. And the doctor said this was not going to be anything remotely close to a to a functional life if if it survived in the first place, so where do you stand in a case like that island? I say if there was a toddler with a severely underdeveloped brain is it okay to take the life of that toddler. Because you have a severely underdeveloped brain. Or you have even a life threatening condition like you have a terminal illness. Does that mean you should be killed? You know, like, why don't we treat you with love and try to eliminate the suffering and not the sufferer or try to serve the patient and not see them as somebody that we just kill. So I think we need to total mentality shift. And if we acknowledged that these are humans like a toddler an infant as a human if infant as a human then before birth that same child, whether it's weeks or months earlier in their development is a human humans beget humans. You can't it's not like a different species. This is a human individual unique life. They deserve the same. They deserve the same care and protection that an infant does. So we shouldn't. We don't leave infants today. We shouldn't leave infants today because they have a life threatening condition or because they have a severe disability does the state than oh. The mother or the parents. So let's say anything if the state let's say there's someone like this case, I just laid out to you where this person they just disagree with your premise there. They just feel that they should be allowed to do what they want. But then the state says, no, you cannot have that abortion. You have to bring this child into the world. They now let's assume that the child survives. It has all sorts of problems that they don't want to deal with the state force them to to bring it to term. Do you think there's any responsibility of the state there because this is where I find a little bit of the conservative argument to be tough because it's like, well, okay? I get it you you're trying to protect life. I can go with you on that. But then at the same time, if you're if you're using the state to force that well, you also don't want the state to be supporting people. And now you have a little bit of a chasm there in the logic. What are the first things? 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You know, I think it's just about consistent it's about so this is the logic side. And then I'll address what you describe as the compassion. But I think we have to be logically consistent 'cause we kind of like our brain start turning off. I think sometimes on this. If he he or she is a human life before birth and science could conclusive about that the United Nations declaration Universal Declaration on human rights has that all members of the human family. Have these rights and in article six it says that these are anybody who's a member of the human family has ranked to be seen as a person under the law. These are members of the human family smaller. They're more dependent. They're they're they're very fragile. You know, they need time in nursing to grow. But they're members of the human family. So they deserve to be treated that way. But nearest in the case, you mentioned, you know, I think it's obviously very complex because if you're if you're like sub socio economic struggles you're not able to care for seriously child series disabilities or life threatening condition your terminal illness. Then yes, I think that there needs to be a pre Shen for that. And in our society, our communities should be supporting those families, and the families really not able to care the parents really able to care there should be a way that they can place that child for adoption or find other caretakers for that child and the state Bill, or do you think that can just be done with churches and? Synagogues and other best private or might people closest and most intimate in the community. So I'm a big believer subsidiarity. So this idea that the best resource are the best solutions for community will be meant as localized as possible. That being said there will be situations where the community isn't available or somebody feels somebody. And so I do think that there should be backups. I think that I think a lot of the systems we have in place. They're very 'perfect like for born children for infants for children who suffer serious disability for infants or children from families that are not taking care of them, you know, with addictions or abuse. I think the foster care system needs a ton of work. I think that but in grateful that it exists. You know, I'm grateful that we have some programs some state programs. I think the more localized in the more. We can power local communities the better. So not against those things. I think they need to be improved. But I think those same thing should apply to the child before birth. It's not again, we have to be consistent if this is a human life. They deserve protection just like a born life, whether you're before birth or after so when we talk about the science part of this if something and science, I mean, a lot of this has to do with the way people just view, I think the nature of reality. And really, you know, what science I believe it's all here, which is why this topic is so difficult to talk about if science could somehow prove to you that say that life in essence doesn't begin until three weeks in could that shift your position on this? That you know that the egg meets the sperm AK conception. But then for three weeks, the whatever that is at that point. It actually doesn't qualify as as life by sort of technical scientific term. Even the questions of little bit of a contradiction. Just because you said three weeks from something when life against we'll three weeks from let. I wrote up the question because this is where everybody's definition of everything. I think is you know, you can look at three week fetus is obviously very different than what it's going to look like at six months and. Dave massive head deny, right? Like humans are supposed to look different at different stages of development. But but I think look what is the Ivy specialist trying to get in a lab. What are they obsessed with getting when they're trying to create life in a test tube? They're obsessed with getting the meeting of permanent egg fusion that moment of fertilization, then they have a single embryo, and they know that and they'll tell their client, the family, we have, you know, ten embryos you could implant three or whatever. Right. I mean, they're obsessed with getting that moment that special moment in test you because that moment means something and the science on. This is conclusive that moment means is you have a unique individual life that needs nourishment to grow. So you cannot survive outside the womb. It can survive outside the test tube in needs needs a ton of support to grow. But if you give it that support, and if you don't interrupt his or her life kill it. Then here she will become. One day, an adult, you know. One day will grow into the person and then eventually pass away as we all know, we die. So that it's human lifespan, and that's conclusive. There is the me that I always find it hard to get my way out of which it's like they'll show like a month old fetus, and they'll say that everyone agrees that this is life, and then they'll show or you know, or the people on everyone on the right basic will agree that this is like people on the left will say this isn't life. And then they show, you know, like, a speck of something on Mars all these to say this is life. Human life. I mean, there's a lot of life out there. But we're talking about something very special, which is human life. And that's why like even the United Nations, and I don't know if they're United nation fans here. But even they have set. Reasons actually are contradictory in their policies, but their their principles say all members of the human family, all members of the human family. So and I look it's not just right versus left. I think on this. You know, I'm from California. I live in Berkeley right now. I went to school at UCLA, I've met people on left, and right who are pro-life and in the pro-life movement, there are atheists there are secularists. There are people who are more left-wing who are also pro-life. So this is, unfortunately, it seem in the media, and it's our it's because the Democratic Party has abandoned pro-life ideas, which is really sad because I think you there are pro life Democrats out there. I think a lot of Democrats are pro-life actually the majority of them want abortion restrictions, but they're not getting their day. They're not getting representation, you know. They're getting crazy senators like all the democratic senators who are running for office Kamala. Cory Booker kissing Gila. Brand. Warren Santon Bernie Sanders. I mean, he goes he's not democratic. But he basically all of them are the most pro-abortion people ever there for their own. They months road to. Okay. So let's let's bring that to sort of wear on that because they are making my life difficult because I often describe myself as grudgingly pro choice. I view this as I think I do this probably as horrifically choice as you do you think it's a choice per se. But I've you the idea here as probably horrific as you do I don't think that something at eighteen weeks is not a life. So when I discussed this with Ben my Ben Shapiro, my position this was I think a little over a year ago. And the clip really took off my position at the time. Was that at twenty weeks? They've there's more than ample evidence that the fetus can start feeling pain. And I would view that up until that point that I would leave the choice with the mother that that that it's not a good choice. I'm not defending the choice. I'm not moralizing about the choice. But that that's just the position that I would want the power to be with the person that is here now. Now, Ben said to me something that you already alluded to which is which if well if you're saying it's a life at twenty weeks. You're obviously acknowledging it's a life at eighteen weeks and to be logically consistent. I had to concede that point because yes, I am acknowledging that I'm just allowing the life. That's here. Now to sorta supersede in the in the decision making. Mindset like, let's imagine. I mean, there are women that killer infants there born they're born alive. Infants I mean, there's this horrible case than Texas poor girl who had gave birth and stab the baby to death. And now she's being tried for murder that very severe penalties, which is a whole other debate. Right. But it's like, why did we why aren't we consistent on it because the infant or the twenty week old could feel pain pain, the kind of ticket to legal protection like my -bility to feel pain. Because what if I was paralyzed I couldn't feel paying right? So again, I don't think it's I don't think it's a perfectly airtight logical argument. My my deference, though is to the mother now, I would say this. This is why I prefaced it by what you just did with with the Democrats right now is that they have now gone seemingly so far extreme on abortion. Where it's now we're talking late trimester. And then there was that really awful video of the the governor of Virginia. Yeah. Talking. About decisions that could be made after birth. They've gone. So extreme that I'm finding I'm finding I'm finding holding what I think is somewhat moderate position on finding to be very difficult. I mean, I hear you. And I think it's because they're actually being consistent. That's the thing on on abortion. I don't think that you can have a when it comes to looking at when like begins when life should be protected. I don't think you can have a moderate moderate position. It's either it is a life, and it should be protected here. She should be protected or here's not a life. And we as a Dulce the strong people on their own the mom or the doctor. We get to decide when that life deserves protection or when that life can be killed. So I think that actually in a way as as repulsive as the Democrats like crazy abortion thrown months and leave the infant to die after birth as as crazy. It sounds to most people there actually being consistent because they're saying, well, it's a helpless dependent. Infants. Fetus, lush embryo? I decided the adult when I can confer on the value on this. I get to make the final medical decision right as a medical decision. So leave me alone. Like, leave me alone. State. Let me do what I wanna do. And I think that they're actually being consistent. If they really think that we have the right to take some lives. How much this discussion is juice that you think people don't really think through their positions because like I thought about this a lot, and I get you. I really I hear you. And I find this. You know, who knows what I'll what I'll think in twenty years, and we're and who knows what you'll think in twenty years or whatever. But that, but that's what that's what really thinking through an issue is about. And there's also an irony here because you know, for someone like myself, if you take a classical liberal or libertarian position on this you believe in the individual above anything. So my position has been well in the individual I'm looking at it through the woman's choice. Now, I get the argument I've heard this from a lot of libertarians while if you really believe in the individual there's an individual right there. The fetus is the individual. But how much of this is just that people? Don't people don't want to do this. I think it is a lot of that. I think that most people would actually come to the pearling position, and I probably positioned at. So I think weighted down with these like political, you know, edge to it like, well that means you're like, a Republican, and you love Trump, you're pro-life. It's like, no that's actually not true. You know, pro-life says all humans are all human lives are precious and how the human rights. I mean, I think that's the pro-life platform, you could say and that starts with obviously and ends at natural death. But yeah, I think a lot more people would be more open minded and more with. Willing to acknowledge human life in the womb and see the violence of abortion, if they had the conversation, but we just assume that the other side is wrong. We assume and people I think when it comes to pro-life pro-choice, they assume that's just what the crazy Republicans believe or that's what Trump thinks. That's what Trump is doing or they don't really, and they're afraid I think the only thing is fear people are frayed. And even what you're saying Dave about being moderate on this. I think there's a sphere of women are going to be setback. Mothers are going to be step back. If abortion is illegal. If abortion is rejected societally Joey's framed as a woman's right issue or women's health issue. Right, which is extremely misleading because I mean, the first key part of the Hippocratic oath on healthcare is do no harm and actually the originally Hippocratic oath, which is the all doctors and medical personnel had to take this oath saying that they would actually not administer worship because abortion is doing harm to the second patient to the to the child it's killing that child. So we have to have a paradigm shift on this. And we also have to see that there are there is responsibility. That is involved. I mean, I'm not saying that any woman who gets pregnant she has two parent that child and be involved in that child's life per life. Because that's that may be something that's really difficult for her something that she's not able to do. But I think we need to take more responsibility for each other. I think that's part of the message to going back to the question that I earlier do think that a sensible thing for the pro-life movement to do today. And this is a strange hint that I might be giving you would be would be focusing more on what's done after. So we frame that before within whether it's done through the church or some other private organization. But if the focus was there, so that you could take the pressure off all of the men and women who. You know, they're sort of somewhere in the middle. But they really concerned that if you're going to force people to do this, you're going to bring all these unwanted pregnancies and all of these things out there, and then you're gonna have or you're going to have more women going to back alleys and all that stuff. So that if you're focused maybe was there a little bit more may maybe that would do something really just spitballing. I mean that that is the problem minutes, focus. I mean, again, this is totally that misrepresentation. I think of our our work and out the movement's work to people who disagree. I mean, again, people who disagree are likely not going to be getting their news from people who are pro-life people who disagree are going to be getting their news from organizations like the New York Times pro-abortion the post the insurance board pro-abortion explicitly aren't support abortion. You're not gonna get me to defend mainstream media here right now just giving me Redmond. Point is that you don't know what's going on in the pros movement because people haven't taken the time to look the probably movement has thousands more than more than abortion clinics. Thousands of pro Bono confidential pregnancy and early childhood care support facilities places where they provide prenatal support they provide ultrasound they provide parenting classes, baby clothes diapers. And then when the child is still an infant they'll try to help place for jobs, we'll try to resume work, they'll do all kinds of amazing things. And there's thousands of pregnancy centers across the country better designed for this and the social safety nets that we do have in this country are designed for for for young mothers and for young families as well. Those those exists churches that are doing support connected to pregnancy care center. So there's a ton of stuff out there like here in LA. There's several of them, and I've gone tiered at them when I was a student. So they're out there. They're just not getting any press people just don't know about them. So what about? We do care we care about where you have to be consistent. I agree. You're pro-life. You can't just be like I just love the baby before he or she was born. We love the baby period. We love the life period, and there's work being done for children both before and after birth. So what about the sort of nitty gritty legal parts of this? Because the discussion about abortion often is just framed through Roe v. Wade. Right. Well, I don't have to ask you where you where you fall Robie weight. But it is one of those positions where again, I say, this is grudgingly pro choice, and I hear you. And I really I do hear you on these arguments. I really do. But as a states rights guy because everyone every a lot of people think that Roe v. Wade was about making the and legal inches in. Which isn't the case? This was that it was federally. Mandated. So it's stripped away states protections road away. Basically said you can't ban abortion in your state. You're not allowed to abortion as a right? You could you need to allow abortions. And that's actually part of the the women's right in your state. And look I mean, you can do this. You could kind of walk back to another human rights of us our country profit at both profited from and perpetuate, which is slavery. And you had this this this situation where you had some states who saw the person the slave as three fifths of a human literally three fifths of a person. And then you saw some states who said, no these persons. I don't think states should get to decide that some humans are persons and other humans aren't persons. I'm with everybody's a person if you're a human life, you're person. Now, how we care for you, protect you is going to be complex. That's that's a whole other. But I don't I'm about. I'm also for states rights. You know, I think we're very big diverse country. Think localization is important. For laws and for both was safety. Nets community how communities are governed. But I don't think that we should get to decide whether some people live or die. I mean interesting because this is where because we don't have these conversations. And if you don't hear people explain that properly because you hear a lot of people on the right? We'll say that they think it's an overstep by the courts of what the constitution should be laying out in terms of states rights and the individual and all that you're saying that even though your I states, right? So you don't even think this is state's rights issues. I mean, again, it all comes back to is. He is here she a human life and do all human life. Those are protection. I mean, it I know it's hard to be it's hard to be considered that way because we have these competing concerns, especially ones that have been heavily Brandon and promote it like this idea of women's rights. This idea of choice, I'm for women's rights, by the way, I'm for choice. I'm for bodily atonomy to the degree that I'm not interfering with somebody else's right to live. But again, I can't. Interfere with somebody else's right to live. And if I have a child within me that is a responsibility. I do have a degree at least other people should be helping me with it. But that doesn't mean I had the right to end the life of that child. So let's go to some of the seriously unpleasant parts of this. When when we see videos of what an abortion is like and all of these things and undercover Planned Parenthood things where they talk about, you know, throwing body parts into a guard. I mean, horrible horrible stuff. I I I wanna give you an opportunity to dress. Some of that, obviously not that shocking to you. What's going on here? 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I mean now they would say we don't make that much money off of them. So it's not really selling, but they're making like seventy eighty ninety dollars of body part. And if you've got five body parts that you've got a heart liver, brain know, you could be making four hundred five hundred dollars off of each fetus, the baby and on top of the five hundred or four hundred or six hundred dollar abortion. They're talking about a thousand bucks, plus an abortion, then all in profit or all in net money coming in. So it is an industry the government's funding. It people don't realize this. But. National Institute for health has a budget hundred million dollars in the last reported year goes to research on aborted baby body parts. So think about that. The government is literally how this has hundred hundred million bucks millions of dollars which is for these researchers. And so they're gonna go by they need their stuff. They need their body parts. So where do they go wash facilities, and they're going to be like, you know, it's profitable for the abortion visibility to do business with the middleman who then hands it off to the to the experiment. You know, the person experimenting on these on these children's bodies, we're player bird food into the equation. So they sell they've sold body parts and they continue to sell body parts. In fact, the district attorney here in Orange County shut down the middle man that was doing business with Planned Parenthood to buy body parts from them to then sell them off to medical experimenters who are doing experimentation on on them. So Planned Parenthood is one of the biggest abortion. China. I mean, a lot of people don't know this about 'cause they're like. Rose. I'm there you always hear people say play it's less than one percent of their activities or something like posts given that three Pinocchio, you know, like. Slate has called it very misleading, but they do one one or three percent. The fact is Planned Parenthood is the biggest abortion provider. So they're they commit over three hundred thousand abortions annually. That's almost a third of the national worship rate the biggest single chain that is doing abortions. That's nine hundred abortions a day nine hundred lives taken a day up to twenty four weeks. So even past the point you say, you're okay with these are children that are viable, but all of the abortions are are wrong are taking innocent human lives, and that's a lot of dead bodies that they could do business with middlemen to get them off to. Labs with experimented on. Is there? Any country in the west that are doing the laws in a better way. A better way within Europe nation, some Malta, you know, Malta has really better my title that has ever been referenced this show before. Well, you know, also really pro-life, and they're very noble Shen is permitted in the country. Ireland was very pro-life until abortion activists a lot of them imported from the UK and from other countries when there and said, no, this is going to be we gotta legalize it. But listen, let's just back this country. Like Malta are their numbers on how many women are now actually going to back alleys, and what is actually the state doing after two. That's a great question did because I think that is a fear that motivates like abortion pro choice. People will women are gonna go to back alleys. That's actually, that's actually a myth that. All these women are going to do back alley abortions. If abortions legal before abortion was legal legal in this country, the abortion suppose deaths from back alley abortions. We're in the hundreds not the tens of thousands that were claimed. And the reason we know this is first of all the CDC was reporting in the hundreds, but tens of thousands at were claimed that they said, we'll tens of thousands of women are dying right now, we're fabricated numbers, and the people that made up those numbers later on it's minute. So Dr Bernard Nathanson, it was born abortionist. He helped found the national abortion rights association, So Nero, and he later became a pearly activist this guy, and he said we made up the numbers we were just trying to like get our agenda through. So we literally made statistics out of the near. What was it that changed him? There's an inch. I mean, there are a lot of things that changed him. But eventually because he's doing all these abortions. And eventually he just saw an as he was looking at the alter sound of what he was doing in the child basically running for his or her life from the suction. He just was like, I can't this is all of a sudden it clicked for him. I mean, it's kind of a mysterious thing why didn't click before but it clicked for him. And he just thought I can't do this anymore and at the same time he was having his own faith journey like believing that human life is is made by a God creator who loves us. And that also was beginning to move his heart on it. But so it took him years to kind of have a full like one eighty on it. But eventually he became a pro life activism said I I was a mass murderer. You know, he wrote books about his experience that I I took seventy thousand lives and share that through we discussed little bit about the belief part. And you've mentioned that there are non believers. That are pro-life. You really never hear about that. Do you find that they have different issues that they're thinking about are struggling with or meaning religious background because you get the general picture of someone that's pro-life is usually just like a Christian conservative. I mean, that's that's generally, what is you don't find that many. Or you just don't see publicly that many atheist or just more secular pro-life people. Well, first of all, I wasn't always identified. I didn't always identifies a Christian when I was like in high school and as a teenager. I actually ended up becoming a Catholic in college. But it was after my own journey of discovering. What I believed and whether I knew for sure what religion identified with if at all I knew that. It was wrong intentionally taken innocent human life. So I think again if it goes back to the facts of this and it goes back to being consistent. Doesn't matter. Your worldview, it doesn't matter your religious background. It doesn't even matter. Your political affiliation. Nothing matters, except do you believe human life is? It should not be intentionally killed innocent human life, and is the child in the womb is innocent human life. But that being said, I think there is a growing amount of people even in the pros movement who don't identify with a religion who are atheists. I know these some of them firstly atheists or part of, you know, very left leaning causes other causes who are pro-life and see it from a scientific and logical perspective and for McEwen rights perspective. But there are a lot of people have faith are pro-life. I wish there were more. Just because you know, there are people of faith who are out there being Christian, and they're not doing anything about pro abortion. This is the greatest rights issue. There are thousands of children being killed every day and women facing unexpected pregnancy at churches, and it's not talked about enough in churches. So just because you're Christian conservative doesn't mean you've got it all figured out, you know. Counterparts on the pro choice side of this that are willing to have this discussion because originally when we think you reached out to us or maybe it was on Twitter at first about coming on the show. I thought all right. Well, I should do this one as a debate. And then I thought about a little bit longer. And I thought you know, what? No, let's let's do one just with you. So we can hear your ideas without it know without entering the fray. And then I'll find somebody. It will be a lot easier to find someone on on that side, right? And do that. And then maybe we'll do this debate. Then or a conversation or something? Yeah. I I'd be happy to do it. But I wanted to do it separately first or so that all the ideas can be out there. Do you find that you can find people on the pro choice? I'd of this that will debate you in in an honest and even way because I don't have to tell you. I'm finding it harder and harder to find people broadly on the left that will do these types of debates without attacking you, personally and your motives and things about it. It's really hard to find people willing to debate about this. I have been on. Shows like radio shows TV shows and Planned Parenthood has been invited. And every time they've declined like planets, spokespeople or representatives. And I was actually on a live radio show. It was somewhere in the midwest. And the Planned Parenthood director of that midwest affiliate was on the other line like she had been she had been invited. And when she heard my voice, and she heard that who I was like as a pro life activists, and she heard me talking she literally hung up like she she ditched out of the dish the show. So I have seen in the pro-abortion world. I call it precaution. Because I don't think again, there's there is no good on this. But in that pro-choice world, I it's very hard to find people willing to have the debate especially on live TV or in a longer format where it's filmed or people can watch it later. It's so interesting because of that I just find so consistent with everything that's happening on the left ease on every issue. If you wanna talk about climate change, they won't talk about it. 'cause you have to accept their position. I again, I say I say that as someone that's not fully where you are obviously. But like, I'm finding it more difficult more difficult that their state they're in an odd way. They're staking out religious position. It's interesting. It's like, it's a new fare sees, you know, it's like I'm so holy I'm so right. I'm not even going to deal with your dirty people that don't don't agree with me. And like, I'm the one who's pure? I'm the one who's compassionate. I'm the one who's correct, and yeah, it's really vicious, and it's really bad everybody. You know, what do you think the pro-life community generally thinks of Trump at this point? I mean, he's probably in a weird way in the biggest supporter for you guys in modern times some level, right? Yeah. I mean, he has been very supportive in in many ways. I was very skeptical when he ran for office. I did not vote for him in the primary, and I was really concerned. I thought he was potentially just kind of tricking all of us. They're trying to check people, you know, even. He had Mike Pence come on as the Penza super pro-life has been consistently politically for years. I was encouraged by that. But it was also like it's just like your token pro-life Pence, you know, on the ticket, but he has administration has done some very pro-life things, which I'm really great before. I find it really sad though that. The one that's most pro-life as far as the policies concerned, keep key reverse the Mexico City policy, which is international funding for abortion. He defunding Planned Parenthood. Looks talk though, because I was actually I think one of the first things that he did, and it sort of went under the radar, and then I saw these people arguing about it. And it's like, so we were actually funding abortions over not overseas in Mexico over beyond our borders. For some reason, we were using American tax dollars to do that do we know why why was that policy even in place in the first place that has nothing to do with? Whether you're pro choice or pro-life. That's just like why are we funding abortion anywhere? Why are we finding these type of things outside of our population control is a lot of it. And that is rooted in eugenics so early Genesis in this country where also Margaret Sanger and her friends, she founded Planned Parenthood, and they wanted to they used or sterilization, like she promoted four sterilization, Margaret Sanger, the founder of parents. She actually. Designed the one child policy. She wrote out a proposal for a one child policy fewer appearance. You're not allowed to have more than one child. The state would force you to only have one off spring. And that's what China's doing right now. I mean, they've kind of expanded to me to show policy, but it's it's really horrific. I mean, it's idea that the government gets to decide what happens in reproduction. So the whole thing about pro choice, actually the opposite of it. It's like so not choice that you are not you're forced abortion or sterilization. And somebody's developing nations. I know stories, and these are anecdotes that we don't it's hard to even know the full body of research on us or no what is actually going on. But I have anecdotal stories of women who went to family planning clinics in Mexico or family planning clinics and some African nations that are UN operated funded by husband in the past Monday by US tax dollars, and they were without their consent or knowledge, we're giving UD's placed in them that they didn't know how to deal with. I mean, they would years later this one. Woman had migraines all these health conditions. You didn't know what was wrong with her finally discovered this old UD in her that have been there in the her for like fifteen years and with potentially could be life threatening. So there's all kinds of weird stuff happening where the rich word, I suppose that depends. How far you wanna go down the rabbit hole of what these the rich elite. Maybe you're doing about their like looking impoverished countries. And they're thinking what are we going to do with impoverished countries or countries that are struggling let's have make sure they have less children like why not better education access to clean, water better infrastructure, less better democracies? Why are we just going to try to kill off or limit their ability to have children? I mean, it's a really terrible approach to very very I think in many ways, it's racist. And it's and it's it's it's discriminatory. Just because people are poor against them because you're poor. You shouldn't have children. It's one of those things. I mean to be funding these things beyond our borders United's. For remove the UN for second. But for the United States to be doing it such a strange thing our borders. I mean, we'll get whether you whether you're for it or not doing something within your borders is one thing doing something outside your borders. Are I think we're we're gonna go save the world America's gonna save the world America can do good in the world for sure, but you're not saving the world by going off and helping other people kill their offspring. I mean, that's just not good. So what is the funding situation? So yeah. So I you hear a lot about this about how much we either give tax dollars for abortions and Planned Parenthood or they say, no, it's ninety nine percent private or extremely confusing information that again, it's one of these things it depends who you follow on Twitter to basically decide what you think of this. So what what do we need to know about funding here, the basic numbers? And again, I Swain what the opposing side may say. So we for for, you know. Maybe show where the disconnect is. But there's over half of billion dollars being going to Planned Parenthood from taxpayer US taxpayers sources, so that's federal money. And it's shifting going down through the states being distributed through title, titled ten historically. That's what President Trump just cut actually his administration and through Medicaid largely. There's all these other teeny little pockets dreams streams of money as well. So Planned Parenthood says, well, we're not they're not funding our Boertien because we're using this to reimburse for older sound or reimburse for condoms or reimbursed for a pregnancy test or whatever the problem with that is those reimbursements are helping fund the infrastructure at plane parented where they're committing abortions. And some of those other services like ultrasound or pregnancy tests are done around the abortion service over the precursor base. And it's just the money's fungible. Like, it's kind of like saying we're not going to fund the. Funds stake people eating steak because it's wrong eating cows honor turning environment. Whatever right. And so we're not we're, but we're still gonna find steakhouses half of a billion dollars a year. It's like well. It's only paying for the ketchup and the French fries and like just like come on guys. Like, it is funding a corporation that has increased abortion numbers over the last ten years and a lot of their other services have actually declined. Is there any other funding with the US provides the outside of Planned Parenthood? You mean to abortion provider not typically unless they find ways to reimburse for similar things that Planned Parenthood is doing. So there's there's a high amendment where in actually take that back because some states like California, you can reimburse directly for abortion. So that's the state money. So we're talking federal money this half of a billion dollars some Planned Parenthood. If you're into applying in California, if you qualify, you could reimburse for an abortion, even late term abortion in our state and other states. So that's a that's a. A big chunk of money, and it's hard even track that money because every state tracks differently. But, but yeah, I think the fact that they're funding the infrastructure for Planned Parenthood their funding the ability to market itself build relationships and communities put the turn the lights on hire the staff it all helps them increase their worship business. Do you know the numbers or the specifics on like states that right? So I get your position on Roe v. Wade I would assume a state like Mississippi still probably has the tightest laws around when you can have an abortion versus a state that I suppose California that probably has the most lenient I'm just picking those two. But I'm guessing I'm not that far off. For example, higher recently passed the heartbeat Bill which would try to ban abortions Wentz. A heartbeat can be detected the problem usually with is that's at just three three weeks, basically twenty one days amazing quickly like most women don't know they're pregnant at that point. They don't even haven't even necessarily Mr. period yet. They might just start to be missing it. So anyways. Yeah, I think there are states that are trying to ban abortions like past the first trimester in the first trimester. But they're being hit with challenges because that's where row kicks in a row says row Endo dough, which of two different cases, and then Casey Planned Parenthood these different legal precedents after row that basically say if you're a state, it's really hard for you to ban or nearly impossible for you to ban abortion before viability or if you create too much of a move discrepancies. When is by ability, right, right? And that, you know, medical advance. Parents have pushed it further and further back you now a child can survive twenty one and a half weeks. It's incredible. Who was born completely preemie, and that may continue to push back again, it's so arbitrary. It's like why does that define whether or not you should live or die. You know, how advanced medical technology is whether or not you could be killed or not through. You would argue that then this law and Ohio the Harvey laws, basically, you would say that good first step or something something we celebrate any of any laws like that. And there are some states which are also trying to limit abortion by making it making abortion facilities have to have standards like hospitals. So that's another thing that is made some progress in what sooner ample ambulatory hallway. So you're able to fit your a structure through the hallway. So that if there's a woman who starts hemorrhaging, which has happened happened sometimes with Borden, she can be carried on a structure or the doctor has to have visiting privileges a nearby hospital. So she goes to the emergency room afterwards. I just knew a friend who recently had to go to the emergency room who had had an abortion, and you need to have the doctor be able to accompany you or know who your doctors have admitting privileges. But again abortion advocates are against all of these things they think abortion facilities, basically should have as few regulations. Like a dental clinic or even less, actually like tanning. So you know, because again, it's this idea that the women's right don't interfere whatsoever. And you know in the what's the what's the most lenient. If Hieaux is sorta doing it right in your estimated, what stay would you say is sort of the most out there. Well, New Mexico's really out there. It's abortion through all nine months for any reason very few. So that really real. So that means that you can have a perfectly healthy eight month yet. Fetus. Yes. Yeah. And you don't have to have a medical excuse. You don't have to. This is where I just I can't nothing left there like. Yeah. I mean, it's happening. People don't even when New York happened or their numbers on how often that happens say after it's really after that twenty weeks or something like that. It's really hard to chuckling notes in the tens of thousands. But it's hard to know, exactly. Because some of the state reporting California doesn't report to the how many abortions it does or how they term they are. So the national numbers. I mean, we know tens of thousands. But we don't know beyond that we don't know what else is happening in some of these states when New York did is already being done in seven other states of worship through nine months. But we just again people just don't know media is not reporting on the New York thing, which just happened. And there's a very I thought it was very chilling video. I mean, I tweeted it even though I wasn't thrilled to do it of all of the state legislator legislature of cheering this Bill. So that Bill allowed it under any circumstances in New York, they said, well, if there's a health or could be emotional health or mental health reason economic reason that the mother and the doctor decides. So that's really saying it for any reason. Because if if I go and say, I'm not feeling like doing this because I just think it's not convenient for my life right now. It's not good for my life right now. And you got the. Abortionist assign often, which you know, they're making up to twenty thousand dollars relate term abortion. Then you're good to go. Unbelievable that they had the statute necessarily re the Empire State building is in paint or something because. It was lit up in pink. To celebrate the late term abortion passage where I say they're making my what I would against as a pretty moderate. Yeah decision. They know you're saying twenty one weeks now because scientists advance that feed is could be you know, livable. And it's like all right. Well, I'm talking about the twenty week pain thing. And if that had I could probably we did this long enough, you could get to move forward on that. Well, let's say sixteen weeks, and again, I'm conceding that because that was the exact conversation had with Ben. And he said, well, if it's at eighteen weeks, and I can't I can't deny that. But then when they take such an extreme position. And I think this is what's happening all over the political landscape right now, we have sides taking just extreme positions all over the place. So we get pulled in ways that maybe aren't the default places. That's true about policy decision. How do we deal with environmental concerns? How do we deal with healthcare? How do we deal with task ballsy? What do we do about the poor? What do we do about homeless? There's so many what do we do about education? You can have extreme policy positions. But with prolife it's not about policy. It's about fundamentals. It's about do. Human beings have the right to live. And does the state is at the state's duty to do their best to protect them. Even if it's a complex situation because in a situation where you know, there's for example, child abuse, right? If family is abusing their children, the state isn't inspecting every home to see if your child of half. Right. So similarly, if we made abortion illegal, and like the state's going to be inspecting every pregnancy they'll have to have to deal with we'll have to deal with that complex situation. But it comes back to are. We about protecting human rights the right to life or not. And that's why with prolife. I don't really see it as one extreme versus another. I actually see the Democrats position right now abortion through all nine months. As the logical consistent argument coming from the idea that human life in the womb does not have value does not have legal, right. It's really given the devils. Do there you're saying this is what you guys want. This actually make sense. We were protection at nineteen weeks. Why should it have legal protection at twenty? Right. So we'll more for you. And then I promise you, we will do this. If I if I get someone that will have this conversation on good faith. We will absolutely do it. And I welcome people to give some recommendations in the comments. What kind of cost is this ad for you to just do this. This is not the type of thing that you're gonna get invited to the parties. Berkeley, the cool parties in LA and everything else. Just putting yourself out there on something. You know, I I know about getting hate online. What is this cost? You. Gotten my sheriff online over the years and death threats and weird attacks and stockers and just very fake porn website set up about me and just very weird things over the last ten years doing this activism and doing reporting on this. But you know, it all kinda put it on perspective. Because I think look we live in one of the freest and most prosperous nations, despite these horrible blights that we're struggling with the past. It was slavery in the past. It was women not even having equal rights under the laws, man. And now, we have abortion. So we are dealing with our crap we have we have the stuff to deal with. But I feel very privileged. And so when I do experience attacks, I put it helps me to put it in perspective, you know? And then also just the incredible reward of seeing lies being saved. I mean, I've been privileged to see lives being saved because of the work that we do like women who learned the facts, and they've say, I could never do this. I've just not going to have an abortion. I'm canceling my. And we get pictures of the newborn, and you know, there's. Like crying like, thanks. Thank thank goodness happened. Thank God this happened. So it's incredibly rewarding because we're dealing with life and death. But so it's extremely painful because we're dealing with really horrific violence, but we're also seeing wives be born and live and thrive. And that's what it's all about. This is what it's all about. This exactly why I do the show and throw the came in here, and we'll continue this conversation and for more. Lila, you could follow her on Twitter at Lila Grace Road.