20 Episode results for "Mccormick"
Carnivals Panama Problem HBOs Hulu coup. McCormick spices seesaw situation. And Carnivals bailout problem.
"This is nick this is Jack and this is snacks daily. It is Thursday April second Dow dipped by a thousand points yesterday nonetheless. Yup I'm like yesterday. This is actually the best one. Yeah yesterday's was the worst one yet. That was also an April Fools Joke. That apparently nobody got right. Nobody tweeted at us. We expected some people to will forget about it. And let's move out. We sewage under appreciated. And in the meantime we made this one way better than whatever it was. We did yesterday our first story. You already knew that. Carnival cruises had serious problems. We're talking crashed. Ships quarantined ships and that overall empty and not cruising ship. Now it is managed to somehow have a uniquely worse situation than we even realize turns out. This company is not bailout eligible our second story. Hbo Just made a critical new hire the HR team just snag the Hulu founder to Hbo Max CEO. This guy is bringing new school media talent at the most perfect moment for HP turns out April is launch your own streaming service month. Who had any idea? 35-story McCormick has been making spices. Since the days of your great great great grandparents got baby spicy at support spice scary spice ginger spice. Now you've got McCormick spice. This publicly traded salt and Pepper Company. Perfectly leads one side effect of the corona economy. We're talking about the see-saw situation. We kind of made that up but we noticed. It's a thing now before we jump into all that Jack and I talk a lot about how appreciative of a bunch of things right now. My favorite part of my day whipping up the context and whipping up the takeaways. Right here on snacks daily for you every day. We also happen to love our plant based self-driving streaming network delivery APPs. That are all over the news right now but we also love connecting with snappers. 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It's not a research report or investment advice to offer or sale of security that's next digestive. Gupta Business News video financial LLC member Finbar's last SIPC our first story Jack. Whip your face out of the all. You can eat ice cream buffet over there. I love those self-serve saucer. Dozen cruises awkwardly realized. It's not bailout eligible so it's desperately borrowing money and it's literally mortgaging away. It's crucial this is like the data plan months ago. You show up to the concert. You go to pull out. The tickets turns out. You didn't print them. This is like my recurring nightmare. Which I'm ADN away football game and I forgot all my equipment at home. Get back on the bus. It's a long drive back now. Vermont. It's also the equivalent of. Hey I'm carnival cruises can I please borrow one hundred dollars sure? What can you offer as collateral pretty much just a bunch of tower sized cruise ships that you can't do anything with that's literally what's happening right now at Carnival cruises we've gone over the not fun. Anti Resume Carnival cruises lately. What's happened so far this year so far. It had a fender bender in a Mexican Harbert. Between two tower sized cruise ships belong to Carnival cruise and then three of its ships got turned into quarantine hotels because the cove in nineteen outbreaks. Well Carnival will be fine because there was this huge stimulus package and part of it's a government bailout right. Yeah everything will be fine. Everything's GonNa be no. Nothing is going to be fine in. This situation. Turns out like the entire cruise industry. Although there are offices headquarters are in Miami Florida. They're technically incorporated in Panama. Interesting sneaky. Little move there because that way they can avoid. Us minimum wage laws while they're at sea and then pay fewer taxes and it turns out only US based companies can get the emergency loans and bailouts. That are part of the two trillion dollar stimulus been. We're talking about the kind of like corporate work here that the lawyers over Carnival got a really nice bonus for pulling off and do not see this situation coming seriously. Backfiring Jacqueline I found fascinating about this. Is that it really. Is a unique situation carnivals getting no US business for the foreseeable future and it's getting no bailout funds from the US and then yet every month it has giant debt repayments. It has to do because those ships that cruises on cost about two billion dollars each. They borrowed to pay for them. Yeah you're not gonNA just drop cash on this thing and walk away with two billion dollars cruiser so they have to borrow even more to bail themselves out of this deep pickle that Oh and in terms of timing that means they're taking on debt at the worst possible moment. Carnival is asking investors to lend it three billion dollars and these lenders are like they know the situations risky. So they're offering a very casual interest rate of twelve and a half percent to pay back those loans. That is brutally high. I think we can all realize that plus carnival is offering a very unique type of hard collateral if carnival can't payback the money to the investors. It'll give away its cruise ships instead. Which is the big question if you're lending to accompany carnival who actually wants a crucial potentially as collateral. You basically need your own Great Lake just to park this. It's bigger than a football field. It's bigger than like the football season and you basically don't know where to put it now. The way this will really go down. A lawyer will be designated to represent all the investors. And it'll do. Its best to find somebody to buy these cruise ships and then split the money across all the lenders. We basically thought of three options here. The first one is China. They'll probably just by this because it'd be cool to half China's probably going to become a cruise company now or maybe Elon. Musk buys these cruise ships interesting so that it can destroy them because they are horrible for the environment. Third Auctioneer throwing it out there maybe oprah. She's got some stuff to do with their cash. That's a good option. So Jack what's the takeaway for our buddies over at Carnegie if only carnival weren't based in Panama knackers. You think of it that much but your headquarters. Kinda matters and American companies right now have five hundred billion available as part of this stimulus bill. We told you companies that borrow through the stimulus bill. They can take super low interest rates on one condition. You don't buy your own stock because that's not a cool move while you're borrowing money from taxpayers and since carnivals technically not American. It's basically wrapping up like a horrible credit card bill until the cruise industry returns to normal whenever the album and if the cruise industry doesn't return to normal it'll lose all of its ships and no ships are kind of only important to the cruise industry for our second story. Hbo Max Just Hired Hulu founder as its new HBO MAXI. This is a month before enters the epoch streaming wars. But before we jump into all that we've got to talk in prose and let you know. It is April which is national poetry month McDowell. Those a disgrace to the poacher. But my goal is to memorize one poem from Robert Frost and or one poem from Waldwick. Jack I got a better set up for you. I actually wrote you a surprise Haiku snacker. I didn't tell Jack this before. The pod ready to hear this thing ready to go ahead. Here's this next. You'll hear Chris very nervous. We speak you. Listen but what do microphones thing. Is it their teaboy? Bravo snacks. Tweet it out tomorrow. That's actually really good. In the meantime it also happens to be national. Tv binging months. Yeah poetry's gray. Tv binging is available for everybody right now and they're all doing also it happens to be part of the national launch your randomly named streaming service season. Which is going on right now exhibit AAC quimby which launches April. Fix Your Binge on your phone. It's five bucks a month but they want with Casper Mattress. Dial Ninety Day for retrial is a generous free trial. I think it's going to have all of America's customers for at least ninety days number two you got. Nbc's Peacock Launch April fifteen only for comcast cable users doesn't launch April fifteenth and then in July. It's happening for everyone else. Who's human being? This is the only place you'll be able to get parks and REC parks and REC. Emmy office I think are leaving up not too shabby and then finally rounding all this out for the season you've got. Hbo Max to be named HBO. Max COMING OUT IN LATE. May At fifteen bucks a month sounds pricey but let's be honest it's not. Dv H they can get away with a lot. We're not going to give you a raise. Janna because we're now adding onto the national crisis is that friends is not available to stream on any platforms until HBO Max Launch. There is literally like a friend's hole in the economy right now going on. I know an editorial note to the The people that HBO. Maybe you should have moved up. Your launch date from late. May to like right now because we can all really us. Hbo Maxim France Hall. The marketing team. This seems to be the moment. In the meantime we're going to sprinkle a little bit of context on what's going on with. Hbo Max that you should definitely know. Hbo USED TO BE A part of time. Warner and Time Warner got acquired by. At and T. Couple years ago in two thousand eighteen so facto transit of property that thing that means. Hbo is owned by a t and t the telecom company right and HBO's leader its longtime leader was a guy named Richard Pleasure. Who's responsible for? Game of thrones not bad. Why impressive little lies and a whole bunch of other top shelf binging content? The only problem was after. Hbo GOT ACQUIRED BY AT and T. The NEW AT and T. Corporate Parent wanted to change the beautiful. Hbo. He basically said we want more quantity less quality. Be More like that. Flex they're like. Can we stretch out? This game of thrones dating spin off with wives of West arose going on my third day dragons. Who Am I giving my dragons to so Richard Platt per was basically like I'm out of here that's the plumper left in the meantime just yesterday. Hbo Max Finally announced a new leader for Warner media which is at and T.'s. Division doing a lot of stuff like streaming video which is HBO. You got movies. Which is Warner Brothers and cable? Tv CNN TBS. Enter Hulu founder. Jason Co are taken the position. Pretty sure it's pronounced killer. Jason Killer nickname their run with Jason Jack. What's the takeaway for our buddies? Who are definitely not TV over at HBO Max. At and T. Is An old school company. That really need some new school town. Eighteen knackers it. Ceo and COO are exactly what you'd imagine the to look pretty much NBA holding conservative suit. Where Time Company and streaming is the future of media but they don't have the streaming town right now to jump on that Future Lar- Aka. The killer was at Amazon for nine years before founding. Hulu in two thousand seven. Which was a godsend to nick and me when we were freshmen year roommates at Middleburg streaming a real large amount of family guy in that thing in the meantime who's become owned by Disney and NBC and Fox jointly right now who just owned by Disney. But it shows that killer knows how to handle like different power people in the media industry as important our buddy Jay. The killer had this court in two thousand eleven. That basically summed up the whole thing. It was a criminal. History has shown that incumbents tend to fight trends that challenge their established ways and in the process they lose focus on what matters most customers. At and T. Needs a little bit of this guy snacks. We get a little update here. We're a little over halfway done today. Snacks Daily Pot. So if you're doing snacks challenge and seeing how far you can run in the first one episode exhausted all right time to turn around and run back and you gotta go back. Take a water break. Do yourself a favor. We're going to hit our third story. Mccormick spices is having a seesaw Korean. Economy Moment Little Bit. Good Yup a little bit of bad. It's a see saw moment. Snacker every kitchen should probably have a drawer stuff with McCormick. You know your mom would want it that. I can't believe this is a publicly traded stock on Wall Street. You've got aggressive kitchen real estate. We're talking Oregano turmeric curry paste coriander seeds. We've got curry powder. I have no idea why because we have the seeds. Knicks always picking the fancy stuff. I like this Real Essex Salt and Pepper Combo back for like ninety nine every grocery store. Knacker is a little spoiler alert. Here Jack. Scott. The taste buds of like a three year old. Turtle Connoisseurs Bison now. This company is proudly based in Baltimore Maryland since eighteen eighty nine where. They've been making spices mixed with Lacrosse. Sticks from like the Solvent School State Law requires a fifteen minute. Break every four hours of work so you can sprinkle some old ban. That's a critical thing now. The biggest flaw on the resume for McCormick is the one thousand nine hundred sixteen. Us Borough of chemistry investigation were investigated for black pepper purity problem. They called us at McCormick pepper and they don't like talking about him. We've actually shouldn't even abroad. Most famous product of McCormack in my opinion is old bay which is like in the state constitution of now about a quarter of its business is not spices but like condiments right they got Franks red hot sauces made by McCormick and French's classic yellow mustard. The rest of its business is like some fancy kind of custom stuff going on that you wouldn't expect them to be gotta section of their website bragging that they've teamed up with IBM on artificial intelligence. It all seems like they're overselling because basically they're just like helping you can cock special sauces like McDonald's special sauce if you're the cheesecake factory you need Salinas. Sprinkle on your stuff. You're going to the guys at McCormick. The earnings report for McCormick and its annual report. They show a helpful breakdown of the business. This is funny thing. We noticed about the annual report though. Is They actually show? What's in the gift bag for all the shareholder in ten dis and last year they were giving away truffle. Salt just want to point that out as an adorable detail to include an annual bar. The other thing we noticed when we jumped into the earnings report is that they love saying flavoring. The future pretty much as often as they can say this we noticed that McCormick is always playing a supporting role in whatever it is. They got a big picture of Sushi. But then the little sesame seeds there by McCormick. They got a delicious looking chicken leg with the barbecue sauce that McCormick spice third cameraman at the end of the movies. Like please wait till you see all the credits. He could see my name. Deborah you see the second thing. We noticed that was helpful. Is that the businesses pretty evenly balanced. If you look at the earnings about half of its business is homegoods sales like to you and your pantry and then half of its business is away from home like restaurants and caterers. Now it's expecting some interesting differences between the two for example. It's expecting double digit sales growth for home consumption business because there's all sorts of pantry. Hoarding going on because people are cooking at home during the recession and during the public health crisis but restaurants sales for McCormick are expected to plummet cheesecake. Factory has furloughed like its entire workforce. It's telling landlord is not even GONNA pay rent. Even mom and pop restaurants are shutting down and knock cooking. That means less spices that McCormack selling out to restaurants and other right so good business for the bad business for the away from home overall. This is a net negative for McCormick because it sales are down to percents. So Jack what's the takeaway for buddies flavor and flavor the future over McCormick McCormick's experiencing a classic see-saw situation knackers see-saw situation. You're gonNA start seeing this Yang Yang in around with a bunch of other companies right now. One side of the business is surprisingly surge in the krone economy but the other side of the business plummet four example. We've noticed pay pal seen a surge in people wanting to digitally or with touches payments but that's offset by the fact that fewer people are buying things in general overall transactions. Are going down so snappers when you hear that. One company's business is living. Its best life in the krone economy. Don't just settle for that information. There could be another side of the story where part of its business living. Its worst like sick. See-saw Situation Jack in your whip the salt and pepper and tell us the takeaways over there. Carnival cruise is cannot borrow money or accept bailout funds from the government because it's technically Panamanian impressive move to dodge labor laws and taxes. A really bad move if you eventually needed a bailout. Hp MAX LAUNCHES NEXT MONTH SODAS HBO. Max's new top guy. The founder of Hulu Jason Collage. Hey there killer. At and T.'s. And Old Media Company that needs some new media town energy four third and final story. I can't emphasize this. Salt and pepper is the best products of McCormick. It's been seizing scrambled eggs. Since the nineteenth century half of his businesses gaining half is falling it's a classic see-saw situation now snack time for a snack back today. This one sent in by Catherine Bill. Who is doing incredible work as a position in Detroit? Yes Detroit home of Henry Ford Hospital which fun fact is where my Nanna was born. We've got fun. Facts on snack bags. Inside of this Tax Katherine tells us the first ventilators crucial medical device that is in huge demand to fight cove in Nineteen. The first ventilators came out in nineteen twenty eight and they were known back then as iron lungs but there. I use back then was patients who were struggling to breathe because of polio. Interestingly those polio ventilators they use negative pressure but today's ventilators use positive pressure. GonNa leave it at that because we don't know what that means. I am glad Catherine is the physician and not US smackers. 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Olympians: Pat McCormick
"I felt when i was going to helsinki that i was going to win. Hello from wonder media network. I'm jenny kaplan. And this is encyclopedia britannica. Today's olympian is known as one of the most determined divers in history. The first diver to win four gold medals. She now dedicates her life to inspiring young people. Everywhere let's talk about pat mccormick. Pat was born on may twelfth nineteen thirty and seal beach california. She was one of three siblings and spent much of her childhood performing bold. Stunts like cannonball often nearby bridge pat honed her swimming and diving skills at the local. Ywca to afford bus fare to and from the pool had performed odd jobs around town like mowing lawns cleaning houses and iron includes in nineteen forty seven a coach from the los angeles athletic club named eileen allen spotted pat and invited her to train professionally pad accepted the offer and so began her lifelong dedication to diving. Pat's childhood daredevil. Streak showed in her professional diving. After acclimating to the ten meter diving platform she soon started practicing advanced dives. That only men were doing at the time she became the first diver to perform a double somersault with the double twist. Pats dedication pushed the athletes around her to train harder to in nineteen forty. Eight hat missed qualifying for the olympic team by a tenth of a point though she felt crushed by the failure. She was motivated to try even harder to realize her dream. Pat practiced eighty to one hundred dives. A day six days a week until the next olympics rolled around today high divers practice and harnesses the protect them from harsh impact with the water in the event of a mistake but pat had to practice with no aids. She wore t-shirts over her swimsuit to reduce the number of welsh. She got from hitting the water in nineteen. Forty nine at pat married glenn mic mccormick. A college wrestler gymnast who would also service her coach with him in her corner. Pat soon became nearly unbeatable at the nineteen fifty amateur athletic union. She won all three championship. Titles still her eyes were on her true goal. The olympics six weeks before the nineteen fifty two olympics pat participated in an exhibition where she dove into a pool. That was shallower than she expected. It was just nine feet deep instead of the usual seventeen feet. Her head crashed against the bottom of the pool and she wound up needing fifty stitches but she refused to let that stop her from trying to qualify for the olympics. The olympic qualifiers pat attached to sponged her head to protect your stitches and proceeded to dive. She succeeded qualifying for the olympics. In helsinki finland there her success continued. She brought home two gold medals one platform diving and one in springboard diving. I was so thrilled just to be there to be able to compete but it was really a very motivating to me. Because from that moment on i knew i wanted to not go onto the next olympics but i knew i wanted to do something that no one has ever done. And that's to try to compete in two olympics and when the double double before the following olympic games in nineteen fifty. Six pack up pregnant again. She didn't let anything stop her. From attempting to qualify despite missing months of training before delivering her son pat qualified for the olympics once again and travelled to melbourne australia for the second time hat won two gold medals and the same two categories. This made her. The first olympic diver win four gold medals. Few others have since achieved that honour pat retired from her diving career on that high note though she continued to participate in exhibitions and made appearances with other olympic champions after pack gave birth to her second child and nineteen sixty. Her marriage became strained in part due to her international fame. Patent glenn divorced in nineteen seventy-three since the end of her competitive diving days. Pat dedicates her time to children in sports in education in nineteen eighty-four. She was invited to serve on the olympic organizing committee. She agreed to participate as long as she would also be able to travel around the country speaking in schools she founded the pat mccormick foundation a nonprofit that works with at risk kids to encourage them to pursue their dreams. Stay healthy and help those in need hats connection to the world of diving lives on in her daughter. Kelly a fellow olympian kelly won a silver medal in the nineteen eighty-four olympics bronze medal in nineteen eighty-eight in addition to her olympic gold over the course of pats career pat won twenty seven national championships. The nineteen fifty-six associated press female athlete of the year award and the nineteen fifty-six james e sullivan amateur athlete of the year. Her incredible determination has inspired others around the world all month. We're talking about olympians to get manica in your inbox. Check out our manacle weekly newsletter. Follow encyclopedia manica on facebook and instagram. At encyclopedia were manteca special. Thanks to liz. Caplan my favorite sister co-creator talk to you tomorrow before you go. I wanna tell you about another show. I think you might lake. There's a new podcast. From the ted audio collective called body stuff with dr jen gunter join. Dr jen gunter. Obgyn and pain medicine physician as she busts. The lies were told and sold about our health. Is it possible to boost the immune system. Do we really need eight. Glasses of water. A day she'll unpacked some of the surprising cultural back stories behind medicine and explore how the body actually works find follow body stuff with jen gunter wherever you're listening.
CBS 2 News AM News Update 03-11-21
"From the cbs newsroom. I'm ryan baker with your thursday morning headlines with mass. Vaccinations underway sources tell. Cbs to govern pritzker believes bit convinced. At mccormick place will return as soon as this summer. Since last march one hundred eighty seven mccormick place events have been canceled. Those shows were expected to generate more than one point. Six billion in spending for the city president joe biden will deliver his first primetime address to the nation tonight marking the one year anniversary of the world health organization declaring global pandemic. Tomorrow the president will sign the past one point nine trillion dollar corona violence relief. Bill checks will start going out to millions of americans by the end of the month. Anyone making under seventy five thousand dollars a year. We'll get fourteen hundred dollars couples. Earning under one hundred and fifty grand will get twenty eight hundred bucks. Parents will also receive larger tax credits of two thousand six hundred dollars per child after all those heavy winds overnight. We'll see a few morning showers. Then things will clear up with a high of fifty nine download the free. Cbs chicago app to get updates throughout the day on our digital streaming network cbs in chicago.
Invention Trailer: Daedalus
"And. So we have Daedalus here. The mythic craftsman one of the maybe not the heroes, but an important character of Greek mythology, and he's skates with his son at Chris from the tower of his imprisonment any does so on artificial wings. We all know how that goes. Yes, it has a tragic ending but for a little bit. He soaring above the laborat- that he designed that labyrinth imprisons the monster the mini tar who's unnatural birth. He helped engineer, and they leave behind these wonders and they fly toward freedom tragedy before right? So Daedalus is this figure? Yeah. That's both exalted and devastated by the power of his own inventions, and this myth the myth of Daedalus. It's triumph and tragedy. The same time this is also really the story of human techno history. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. You've heard us on our science podcast stuff to blow your mind now. Join us for a brand new show called invention as we follow this path. Sort of like the path of Daedalus through the ages and around the world exploring the things made by us, the craftiest of all creatures for good informational each week will tackle a different invention, a different technological turning point in the minds the cultures and the necessities that provoked the change the show is called invention. Invention begins December, tenth and publishes. Every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you happen to find your podcasts.
JT McCormick | Why You Need to Get the Hell Out of the Hood and How to Write a Book Why Writing a Book Can Change the Game for Your Business
"On today's show. The founder of scribe media joins us to talk about the importance of being intentional. About who you spend your time with in why Napoleon Hill was absolutely right when he once famously wrote. You are the master of your destiny. You can influence direct and control your environment. You can make your life what you want to be. Oh you forgot where you came from. You forgotten to go first of all that is the point to get the hell out of the. Don't forget where I came from. I I keep waiting for. I never forget it. But the golden records into the goal is to get out of in. You surround yourself with those same people who have the mall minded mentality. You will stay right there with those individuals. You will never about today's guest. And the founder of scribe media shares. Why you need to write that book and how to write that book in White. Writing a book can change the game for your business. This guy's the founder of the publishing company who has put together books for the famous comedian. Tiffany Haddish and the New York Times bestselling author. David coggins today's guest. Jt McCormick grew up in poverty and he was abused repeatedly as a kid. If this guy was looking for excuses or reasons or justifications to not be successful let me tell you he could find them but in the game of life there are Weiner's and there are winners and cast. Jt McCormick is the ultimate winner when he could have chosen to become bitter heat. Shows to become better if you've ever wanted to write a book if you've ever wanted to upgrade your surroundings and to upgrade your social circle this is the show for you don't need a celebrity narrator to introduce this show this show too may eight kids co created by two different women thirteen multi million dollar businesses ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to thrive time. Shaw Yes yes yes yes. Dr Nation on today's show we are interviewing J. T. McCormack. The founder of scribe media for part two of our thrive time. Show rendezvous. How are you Sir Man Clay? You Know Hi. I'm always excellent. She wake up in the morning. And you're the ground you gotta be excellent and The listeners that are not familiar with your story everybody needs to do a google. Search for thrive time show. Jt McCormick because your story is incredible. But for those who might not have heard this show yet. Can you kind of now? You're at the top scribe. Media is growing very very well but talk to us to share with us the bottom of the bottom take the listeners to the very bottom how what was the lowest of the low for you growing up. The lowest of the low for me was it had to be when I got left alone with my three half brothers and sisters and we got left in the house for three weeks Their heroin addict mother left us in a house for three weeks and Dayton Ohio in the middle of February and no one knew we were there. That was that had to be the lowest of the low in in to give some context around that you know the story. My father was a black pimp and drug dealer. He fathered twenty three children. My mother was an orphan. I don't know where my last name comes from. And I was in and out of juvenile three different times and I to this day still have no college degree and I barely graduated high school so you have all of the reasons to be bitter but you have chosen to be better and I mentioned that because I mean you've gone through every kind of abuse imaginable. And but now you're the president and CEO of scribe media which is now a huge full-service publishing company that has put together. I believe four New York Times bestselling authors people like David Coggins Tiffany Haddish. I mean you. You have some huge authors. You've worked with tell. Us How scribe media started. In what scribe media is so our two CO founders. Actually started it. So you've got Tucker Max who's one of three people in the history of the world that have had three New York Times bestselling books on the list simultaneously. Tucker Max Malcolm glad well and Michael Lewis so the only three people who have ever done that so Tucker Max and Zack Oberland are the two Co Founders. And yet you know we've grown. Gosh we've worked with over sixteen hundred authors now. Most recently we just published the book for the Nobel Institute is in the Nobel Peace Prize. So that was a big win for us. We feel like okay. Credibility went through the roof on that one. If Nobel can work with us. Anybody can work with this but what is really set up for. Clay is what I call either use. So many people want to do a book but they don't know where to start. They don't know where to put fingers on the keyboard pen to paper and so what our system is set up to do is to allow you to speak your book. Sit Back. Grab your beverage of choice. Let's pull that content from you but the key is that when the book is done. It's in your tone your voice your content your book so that's a big win for us. We just want you to sit back. Grab your beverage of choice speech your book and it's been proven time and time again. One of the hardest things to do is to think in right at the same time he just wanted to take the thinking part out of it. Then you don't have to do. Any of the writings is so you're just speaking to you. Just speak the book now. I'm on the website right now. I'm on a scribe writing DOT COM. I went to scribe media DOT COM. And then you can click where you can kind of see the services that you provide and you have packages one package starts at ten thousand dollars. It's describe publishing package. One is fifteen thousand dollars. For the scribe guided author package. Thirty six thousand dollars for the scribe professional and I believe it's one million dollars to get high five from JT McCormick. Let's let's talk about your packages here. What separates a ten thousand dollar packets from a fifteen thousand dollar from thirty six thousand our package so real quick so if you did the ten thousand dollar package with us what that is is basically publishing only. Let's say clay. You went out and you wrote your manuscript yourself you said. Hey Great Gt. I've got all my words. I've got my content. I just need to flip my manuscript over the wall to you And you can do the proof reading and then from there we help you with your cover design the interior layout we publish the book. We get it up on Amazon Barnes and noble Ibook so on and so forth. So that's ten thousand dollars now. We've got a lot of people who truly want to sit down and be Ernest. Hemingway write the book. So we have a two day workshop. Here in Austin people come into town and we help you structure the outline. We put a writing schedule in place for you to where you can have your book written within about six months and then we do the also the publishing part on the back end as well again cover design interior layout so and so forth. So that's fifteen thousand and thirty. Six thousand dollar package is the one I walk you through the beginning where you don't actually do any of the writing you sit back to speak your book out to us and let us do the heavy lifting so you pay thirty six thousand dollars or you pay fifteen or you pay ten thousand dollars now now now. You have a book. One of the best way to market a book in how can author Monetize the book in terms of like speaking or additional revenue streams. So again if you have the book written now how do you market the book and and how can an author leverage the book and Monetize it so couple of things there? I'll dive into one very important when we work with our altars. We WanNA find out okay. What's the purpose of writing the book? You know if someone says that you know I'd want to grow my business. I'm going to do more speaking i. You know I'm a consultant. I WANNA hire more clients. Lead generation credibility thought leadership. That's who the the individuals that we helped mainly to be told we turn down about thirty five percent of the people that come to us then number the top two reasons we turn people away number one. They don't have enough content for book. We're just we're not going to sacrifice our reputation and quality on just slapping some stuff together for someone's book so that's number one. If you don't have enough content will turn you away number two if you lead with. I WANNA be a New York Times bestselling writer and sell a million copies. Those individuals are looking for fame. So we refer them over to the Kardashians. 'cause that's not our business. The people were looking to help our people. Whoever purpose for the book maybe you have a memoir and they WANNA pastor book down to their family legacy piece. That's why I did my book Maybe you want to grow your business. So the great majority of our authors are CEO's executives entrepreneurs. Those are the individuals we help. And I'll give you a few stories here. We went through all of our published authors in. We've got about fifty to one hundred authors. Who had never sold more than a hundred and fifty copies of their book but they've landed multiple six and seven figure contracts for their business so they're book did exactly what they wanted to do which was raised the visibility for them in their business. So a book. Let's just say that I work with you to have you write a book Or or maybe somebody out. There has a book and they do want to not maybe say a million copies. Well they want to sell fifty thousand copies fifty thousand. What would you say are like move number one number two move number three? What are just a couple moves that you would say all right drive time. Show listeners if you have a book and you're sitting on it. What are the best moves to get the books into the hands of their ideal unlikely buyers so you know with without going into a sales pitch we actually do? Have our author marketing packages well launch package where we help authors market their books? We you're GONNA how many authors leave work with. We've got a long list of media connections that we work with and we'll help authors get on podcast. You contributed articles. Help them with their social media. So we have. It's not just the book we have a whole supply chain. If you will will do the book for you. Then we'll help you market the book. Then we'll continue to market the book for you helped you get on podcast so and could be. We're working on helping authors crafters speech and speaking performance so they can go stages well. What does the marketing package cost for your book? Marketings Sir is twelve thousand dollars in its four thousand dollars a month for three months got it got it now. Let's talk. Let's talk about this. Let's say that I have my book. Why is a book more powerful than a business card? Why is a book more powerful than a business card? We're sitting on an airplane and you're talking to the guy next year your new airplane friend and you know they he says hey you know what do you do for a living and you bust. Let me let me let me show you. You open up your Duffel bag or your briefcase and you handbook and give it to them. Why is that more powerful than than a business card? So so I'm actually going to feel the story here from one of our wealth advisers. We did look for so we in. This is a very high profile wealth adviser one of the top ten in the country in fact so he told me he goes. Hey I would sit with Potential clients or clients. I wrap up my media. Say here's two of my business cards. If you know anybody you know. Pleased reform over. Let them know that I'd be happy to work with him. And he said I knew before they left my office. They through my business cards in the trash. You said I already knew that he said but then I started giving them two copies of my book and I said Hey if you know anyone please give them a free copy of my book. Refer over to be happy to help them. He said this business took off and the reason being is now he's perspective. Clients were incentivized because it made them look good. They're like hey you know use my guy he wrote the book on Xyz. He said his business went through the roof or credibility because now he wrote the book on his Niche in retirement. This is all very very true. Now what what excites me about your service is that I have. I have a team in house. Graphic designers photographers web developers proofreaders. All that kind of stuff so for me you know. I can just sit down and bang out a book but I also have a massive payroll people. This is what they do for a living and the average person does not have them. If you WANNA make my payroll for a month you could do that. And then you'll discover. Wow all those people get paid so it's a steal of a deal for thirty six grand to have somebody like you. If you don't have somebody like me doing it for you. I mean this is a great deal. I've heard of other services that make you pre by like ten thousand copies of a book. Five thousand copies of a book. I've heard of services that charge fifty grand some that charge seventy grand some that take years to get it done. How long does the process take? Suppose whenever show sponsors here Mr Paul who had reached out to you and said Hey I want to hire you to write a book. How long does the process take a couple of things? It takes nine months and that thirty six thousand. You don't have to stroke that check. All all at once is four thousand five hundred dollars a month over eight months in take a seven to nine months to have your book completed Paul Hood Your Show sponsor therefore you get to take a look under the hood and you're GONNA ask. Jt McCormick any questions that you want now J. Paul who has multiple accounting practices. He has clients all over the country hood. Cpa's DOT COM is his sight. Paul Hood meet. Jt MCCORMICK THEIR JT. Out If you remember me but I met you when you came up here and spoke. You know I'm the guy. Him called matter of fact. Let me make sure. I've got this truck. Paul you wanted to gentlemen told this story about when your dad would drive down the street you all were so poor. You had to pull over and pick up the road. Chill that you dinner right. That would be me my still tasting. That helps get stuff man. I'll tell you get tough when you eat that kind of stuff. No doubt Sunda. Yeah J. D. I just you know we klay helped me write a book and I've got that bug. So are there certain areas that that you guys specialize in Do you or do you think goes go. Better for instance in my case I I. We've gone one direction written a book. That's more technical none as a technical but how do people you know voiding pot holes in business and in life financially but also you know. I think I've got a story to tell that you know. Basically coming from from You know a mom that was on You Know Alchoholic Dad mom that was on welfare to you know I just. We just bought a twenty five Thousand Square Foot House that we do okay. So you know that that progression and what I've learned in how I've got there with the American dream. So you know in your opinion. Is there a direction that that a guy like me that you would recommend which which path you should take first and foremost I always ask potential authors? The number one question. What's the purpose of the book? If we're at the end of this process we've got all of your content. Beautiful Book defines success. And I'll use myself for an example for me success with having five copies of my book to be able to pass down to my children to have for legacy piece because I had no legacy. I've always been Just impressed with the Rockefeller's the Ford family who could trace checks generations man. I can't track thirty minutes so I I wanted my book as a legacy piece so the number one question I always lead with is defined success if it's to grow your business great. Then you're the expert. Let's dig into expertise. Make sure we capture those details that make for Great Book. One right off the bat. I gotta put this out there. Everything we do is non-fiction. We do we do not do Pictured all nonfiction nonfiction. Okay now Charles Cola. You have a very large business. Unit wife have built a Colo fitness together and JT. These guys started in one hundred fifteen thousand dollar house in Bartlesville Oklahoma and they trained to people from Charles. What five in the mornings from five? In the morning until ten o'clock at night I took some four o'clock clients from four. Am until ten o'clock at night six days a week. Sometimes he converted his house into a gym. His wife's cutting hair doing the accounting the finances. He's out there doing the marketing training. Clients these two just went through hell and back while getting people in great shape now they have three locations of Colo fitness dot com with two more big box gyms once come down to Texas to see you guys. They're getting closer to you down there in Austin in Dallas. They have another one in Oklahoma City with plans for many many more Charles Cola. Meet MR J T McCormick yes. Jt We met actually at a conference. I was the big guy. Muscled up guy. Had the gyms. I don't know if you remember that but my were conference. I remember Sir. Yeah you're awesome very inspirational story. You hit the hearts of many people. I think you did a great job of that. So thank you for for doing that. What question would you have appreciated well? Jt I just I I. We actually started a book with Klay. Never finished it and be great to get back in there for us. We've kind of achieved. You know a point where we can work as much as little as we and but we are wanting to grind and grow our company. Our company is a fitness center. That's focused on making Jesus Christ famous and changing lives through the fitness industry. That's actually witness of mission. Statement is to make Jesus famous unchanged lives through the platform that we have and You know we gotta stay twenty four percent profitable to grow But we would like to finish a book. That really does help. People make people lose weight. Get IN SHAPE. Also shares are heart. That mainly doesn't have to make a ton of money but just impacts people in a way that they can basically create spiritual formation about Jesus Christ and also lose weight get in shape and make a change in their life and I've done some training programs that have some of that wrapped in it like some little journals and workout sheets that people follow. We've got if you ever look like coal off. Fitness Testimonials House type and coughing. Testimonies are our results. We have thousands of videos of real people losing weight getting in shape talking about it online. We actually get one video every day at every location and He was just. We would like to eventually write a book that we can Platform to do that and You know I don't know the correct steps that probably be to call your company and then go through a questionnaire with them to kind of direct us but so I don't know exactly my question but I guess what are the next steps if Charles says. Hey I want to get started. Maybe an hour in the future. He may be likes the idea of coming down there for two days and then you ask them questions about a boom the Kirk House a book. What's the next step bro? I would say the next steps for Charles. Email me directly. I'll just put it out there right now. You Know Me Directly J. T. at SKRIDE MEDIA DOT COM. I've got the email in the company and I'm doing this because my man close it out in the on the on the show so I'm not GonNa send you off to our author strategy. She can go directly to me. Walk through what would be best for you. Would it be the the guy did author workshop? Would it be s? Doing the scribe professional will reach it. Have you speak your book? And then we'll just walk through what the the next steps are great. You know what I'm so passionate about you having a book whether we help here he does. What by the way if you have me help you. I don't make any extra money on the deal. You Use J. T. But seriously but when you it's a lot of work but I'm a serious it takes one hundred but the reason why they get so powerful is this is a true. True Story Awesome Story. I travel not as much as you do right now. You amber but whenever I'm on a plane people always ask what do you do? I have given people books. One lady owned a large chicken business in Tulsa elements in the name of it but a big fast food chain and she. She gave the book. She reaches out to me a year later and on the phone. And it's like sobbing my first book. Make your life epic and she goes. I have my husband passed away from heart attack. Our business barely survives. I read your book cover to cover and I have implemented everything and I just want to tell you think it was like a conversation a plane. Here's the book and her. It just was like a game changing thing and it was a book. It's awesome then. I was speaking at a church about two and a half years ago. A Guy came up to me and asked me for some advice. I didn't have time to speak with him because it was a big church. A lot of questions. I gave him the book again. I never worked with the guy. He calls me back later and says your book changed my life and you guys have. I mean how many we can ask the number. You have thousands and thousands and thousands of members and your marginal cost per book. If so he say Charles wants to print a book. That's two hundred pages okay. Jt Two hundred pages. What's the hard cost per book to print one of those just per copy? Let's say someone you say for every person who signs up you're GONNA get the cocoa law fitness book. How much would it cost per book to print a book? Once he's gone through the process of making you know book happen. We can have the perfect charges down to anywhere from a dollar. Seventy five two. Maybe three bucks a copy and then people take those books and they read those books and other out having coffee in Dallas. And what are you reading? And they on reading this book and then it turns into word of mouth and I guarantee you Garrett one hundred percent stone cold lead pipe locked. You will double your revenue if you spent thirty six grand. I guarantee you make seventy two grand in the first year for sure off your members referring each other. It is crazy impulsive. I've seen people running around at our workshops who are carrying around a tattered. Cover a copy of your book that you gave them An. Don't you see the relationship changed? Cpa's when somebody signs up to be a client and you give them your book. Yeah they do and the funny thing is is is they'll come in. They'll look at me and say you don't look like what I thought or they'll ask me a sign my book. That's just crazy. Works you get a book. I'm a bad person to put a goal on your list. I know I'm a bad man. I can't put goals on your list but I'm just saying I agree if I were asked. I would say it's a game changer. And this system is cool because you would they fly down to you in Austin? They fly out to you they can. They can come down for the two day workshop in. Here's the other piece. Even if they go with. Our scribe The thirty six thousand progress. You don't even have to come to us. We do all the interviews over the phone. Every will say we scheduled this out every Tuesday at three o'clock. We Your Book Cough Ninety Minute. Call and you'll do it for six weeks. We pull all the content all in. You're going invest about forty hours over the course of seven to nine months off or worse over seventy nine months Doing your book keep preaching it. I just use could you. You're you're you're you are closed the deal we've got about seventeen thirteen. Kind of like my Ben Here I feel like there's twenty two people maybe seven people. There's maybe somebody here wants to get a book written. There's somebody out there. Jt preached the good news of why everybody has to write a book. You've been thinking about that book. It's time to move on to actually start writing. The book preached the Good News. There take so so I'll I'll even say this. I'm GONNA steal this from my mother. My mother says to me. When I was a child she would never judge anyone because everyone has the story. And you don't know their story and that actually become our motto for the company now. Is We believe everyone has a story in. So if you don't share your story you're not you're not you're cheating the world of your story and cheating your internal world selfish so further for how many people have sat back to three five seven years wanting to write the books and they've never got it done Amen Hey real quick. I have a a audio clip of what the listeners out there saying to Charles Cola right now. I'm Makita business. This is what I hear again. Paul it's amazing. I've been able to make our listeners. It's of our listeners are saying this to Charleston. They're just they just they just they just want they want them. You're the fitness experts. You and your wife and either so much knowledge. There could no. You're right. Oh My Gosh. We need to keep pushing me over there. We need the hang on. I've known Charles for years. I've never seen him speechless. I don't make any summation never seen. Jt You don't have a backdoor commission deal going yet yet. I want one. But here's the deal. I mean seriously everybody out there I just I've seen it change conversations and perspectives having a book. Let's talk about the speaking career thing. This is not something I want to ever do again. Some people out there want to do it but let me tell you about the sometimes you you think a dog is chasing a car And it thinks it wants the car right but once it gets. The car doesn't know what to do. I found myself in June of twenty. I think it was twenty. Maybe Thirteen I had twelve speaking events in the same month. Ooh And so my wife would go with me to everyone of them and I would bring the one kid so like okay off. We go. We're GONNA drive to Springfield Missouri to go speak Riley's O'Reilly's auto parts so we go there. Nail it smash after the event. The event planner wants to follow up. People want to get photos. You want to sign your book. GotTa ship the book ship. The books back then. I did another event in Vegas than another event in San Diego. That another one in VEGAS THAN ONE IN PHOENIX THAN ONE IN TORONTO. Then one and Florida where? There's a pink hotel Saint Pete Beach and then another one in Fort Lauderdale and then one in Austin one in San Antonio and somewhere along there. I did one in Denver for UPS. And I thought to myself self. You hate traveling. But there's other people who love traveling but I had that thought like motion sickness. My ear stay popped for like a whole day. I can't hear almost plug for like a whole day so Vanessa. I'd have to fly in on Friday morning to speak on Saturday just so I could hear myself and then I would get nauseated for a good four or five hours afterwards. But there's a lot of people who are normal out there listening normal people who can chew gum and pop their ears. Who Don't get motion sickness. Who likes being beaches? Who like staying Nice hotels like meeting New People who like selling books? Who Like signing autographs? Who likes seeing the world? Those people out there talk to them about the speaking career that can come as a result of having a book. Jd Not not to mention. I'll start with the number. One thing is well almost every one of our authors who have gotten into this that have wanted to increase their visibility. Speaking hands down as soon as their book. It's done. They're speaking fee. Goes up five grand. Ju just off the book just because you have the credibility you have the book now but people want to book those individuals on stages who have done the book who have the expertise through have something to say which again and especially the authors we work with because so many people know that we actually validate these authors in look to make sure that they have actual content for the books not just a bunch of flop so the authors we work with their visibility goes through the roof. David Coggins Tiffany Haddish. How those books changed their lives. Oh Gosh I gotta give a lot of credit to coggins David. Goggin Scott offered a traditional publishing deal. And if you know anything about David Goggles ex-navy Seal Big Control Guy. He turned it down when he turned down on large advance to go traditional publishing chose to go with US and last year or two for two thousand nineteen. He had the most sought after book in America. Second only to Michelle Obama. How many books did he sell? Can you share that? Total on the show Gosh Well well over a million. I can tell you that Wilbur million New York Times bestseller. He nailed every category. You possibly could as far as cells do you make. Do you make money when the authors make money? Jt We we do not fly inside fee so when you when you pay us you keep one hundred percent of your book. Really yes now. Hey you're based in Austin Texas when you flew her to attend the conference. Did you have to hop onto planes or one plane? I didn't want to fly Dallas. I right okay. Okay okay so you had to do to two flights okay because this is the year. My wife doesn't know this yet. So this this show is not gonNA come out before. Christmas. She doesn't know but this is the year of the of the travel for us. We're going to do a little weekend trip. She likes that and as long as I have. No expectations and no specific time to be anywhere. So I'M NOT GONNA get frustrated with connecting flights might come down to Austin and harass you. I Love Lake Travis. Travis Man Make It happen maybe Klay you know you. You told me winning where we'll make it happen. Sir. I'm GonNa put you on your your in my phone but I'm GonNa put you in my phone as Austin Texas because we're going to Denver twice. We're going to do that. I'm surprised for Christmas kind of where we're going. And we love Austin Texas. It's very weird but it's Kinda my kind of weird. I think I keep Austin weird tell we live a ton of live music down there? Great restaurants what do you the thing is. It called the oasis the resort. That looks out over Lake Travis on the cliffs. The the always so yeah. We've got everything down here. We've got Acl which is a huge music festival. South by South West and we are the only city in America that had the f. One Formula One. Track that here so there's always something going on here now you again. I want to go back to the very beginning. I wouldn't want in today's show at the beginning because your father was a pimp. You were abused. You are abandoned. You don't know the origins of your last name. You are not white and you're not black. How would you describe what you look like? I mixed race. I'm half white half black so I am no more proud of the one then the other. But I can't tell you this growing up in the seventies mixed race not a good look black. People didn't maybe half white white people didn't like because I was half black. So there you have it. White people don't like me because I'm so pale. They're like this guy this guy no but seriously you grew up where black people didn't like it because you weren't black enough white people did you because you weren't white enough. I mean you've gone through it. All a what the end. Today's show. What advice would you give somebody out there? Who's been making excuses for decades saying the reason? Why can't have successes that I grew up? Poor the reason why can't be on time is because I'm always. I never was taught discipline. The reason why I can't write a book is because the reason why I can't do. The marketing is because the blitz people have all these excuses. They've been saying for so long that they now believe them. What advice would you have for someone who needs to hit the exit ramp on their excuses? You know I- Klay you've always let me speak freely and so I'm going to unleash on this one one. I am not a victim. I don't you can't change the past. I don't I don't care how much you think about it. I don't care how long you lay in your bed for week. Depressed and pull the covers over your head. You cannot change the past but you can change the next hour. You can change the next day. You gotta see this as well. We live in a country right now. Where the word White privilege is become so big and I find it very offensive because when we sit back let the truly call what it is. If you're born in this country jake race off of it. How just privileged in itself because regardless of where your political views stand I? I'M NOT GONNA make it political but there is a single mom with two children walking one hundred eleven hundred miles from Honduras trying to get into this country and or my worst day. I never had to face that I was born here so sexual abuse father was a pimp. Put it all out there. I keep it in perspective. I was born in this country therefore I have a responsibility to be successful in this country man and you have a great family now right you. Didn't you didn't grow up with a family. You're the one who's a breaking the the the cycle of perpetual poverty and family dysfunction. How many kids do you have? And how many wives do you have one wonderful wife? I've got four children ages six four two and one. That is awesome man. That is absolutely awesome. I I was unable to assemble a large audience so I will hit my audience button here. That's awesome. I mean that is just so exciting. Charles Cool are you hot? Take your JT. Mccormick has got such an amazing attitude. Does us to talk about you? Know hiring good employees and hiring people with great attitudes over skill sets. Yes what's clear to see that? Jt Has Been Mazen example. Having a great attitude being optimistic he doesn't come from the Best Education. The Best Background. Yup But he's personal success story because has taken on a perspective of a wonderful attitude. Positive upbeat motivating encouraging to everybody around him brings energy to the room like no other. He's a great speaker. Totally touched my heart. And I just think people have got to take on his type of personality if they've and you've you've kind of you quoted it and business. Coaching and hiring attitude over skill looking for people with positive up. Yeah it's don't look for degrees look for great attitudes coach ability and Jt's been a great example that great throws great inspiration to so many of us at the at the thrive conference. Oh thank you J. T. For being great example me as a business owner and entrepreneur jt. I I that I wanted to A. I guess I had one final question for. I was teaching my staff today. Devin you were in the meeting today. We were talking about this. Yeah tell them all successful entrepreneurs that I've interviewed all have these common denominators and they're very simple very easy but there are no one seems to grasp them one. They all have a to do list. True all of them carry a to do list. There aren't going when I do. They all have a calendar. They have to account to keep a calendar and a list. It's crazy there's a lot of other traits but another one is they. Don't suffer fools. They understand their network has their net worth and they will not let toxic ghetto redneck crazy. People show up in their life on a daily basis so you had to leave the ghetto but some people leave the ghetto and then they bring the ghetto with them. Jamie Fox has joked about this before on his comedy routine. Somehow some people will make a ton of money but they bring the ghetto within. They'll bring the rednecks with them. What advice would you have for somebody out there who is struggling to comprehend the idea that you become the average of the five people that you spend the most time with your network? Is Your net worth. What would you say to somebody right now? Who's on the precipice of success? But they are hanging out with idiots. What advice would you have for real easy? Let it go so what someone joked with me. We're actually wasn't even the joke they said. Oh you forgot where you came from you. You forgot the hood and I go. Hey first of all that is the point is to get the hell out of the hook. I forget where I came from. I keep mentally why came from because I can never forget it but the goal is not to represent the hood. The goal is to get out of this and it's you surround yourself with those same people who have those small minded mentalities. You will stay right there with those individuals you will never rise above. Get the hell out of the hood. I'M GONNA put that on a shirt that hey I got some claim that can be the title of my book given. That's my last name. Yeah get the hell out of the hood. I like that. I'm still in a that. Is Awesome brother? Thank you so much? If you're out there listening you've yet to hear part one of our interview. Jt McCormick just do a Google search for jt? Mccormick and thrive time show. And I will say this. I said then I'll say it again. I'll say it again. Now your interview. You not not not the questions. I asked but your responses to our first interview. We had to get the test of time currently as our favorite and as our best shot ever ever did the first interview we did with. You is truly on believable. I if you listen to that show and you have a pulse and you're going the wrong way with your life you're going to change directions dramatically now. Jt We've had as of today's recording. We've put out one thousand eight hundred and seventeen shows and your show is the best show awesome. Show everybody out there. Check it out oh yeah. Jt McCormick thank you so much for joining us again on. Today's thrive time show guy. I greatly appreciate it be on humbled and honored and because I'm not the most politically correct person in the world. Merry Christmas Christmas right there. I just want to say that about ten times in a row. Merry Christmas Christmas Mary Mary Mary Christ pause must I mean I just if you're out there today and you're offended by Merry Christmas find a new show Katie McCormick. Thank you my friend. Have a great rest of your day and now without further ado what there have always been people who don't believe they don't believe in hard work they don't believe in responsibility ultimately they don't believe in themselves they believe in shortcuts in luck. They believe that now side circumstances control who succeeds. And who doesn't it's just the luck of the draw but you you are not one of these people you believe that no matter what your circumstances tell the success is still possible and you accept this responsibility because you want to achieve something kwait before you can chase it from the moment your eyes open in the early morning you chase it into all hours of the night what others have given up when others have that it couldn't be done you've kept pushing shoe believe that success. It's not a game of chance. Success is a choice a choice that you make every single day. That's what you belief. Discover the world's most affordable effective business school today thrive time show dot com.
Finding flavors using AI: McCormick partners with IBM Research
"Welcome to text the nation's joining us is Dr Richard Goodwin. Principal researcher and manager of computational creativity. Research group at IBM research, quite a title. Thank you for joining us, Dr Goodwin. Thank you for having me, and you are doing some really interesting work having doing some really interesting work into using artificial intelligence comes to flavor and food product development, and you've had a well known name as a partner. Give us the overview sure, it'd be happy to so our group has always been looking into whether or not computers can help be people. Be more creative and creativity is kind of like, beauty and intelligence people think they know it when they see it, but it's very hard to define. And so we decided to look into the area of food because people are familiar with being creative in their own kitchens and trying new dishes, whereas they're not very familiar with being creative as in like a Jackson Pollock or a Picasso. And so we using this as a vehicle to explore creativity and food, and we've had the the great pleasure and opportunity to work with McCormick and their product developers and flavors and using all the data. They have to try to get a computer that can help there. They're product designers and flavors. Be more creative. Well, tell us how how this came about the they approached you to see what could be done with computers and trying to come up with some new flavors. Yeah. It was kind of a mutual thing. So we were we were doing work in this area. And one of my former colleagues, I was actually interviewed for a radio program and someone McCormick hurt it. And then followed up called us, and that's kind of how the partnership began. And they have a lot of expertise in in food, and, you know, creating new food products and stuff and our expertise is obviously more on the computer science side and the machine learning side. So we thought it was a, you know, sort of marriage made in heaven where we could apply, you know, their expertise our expertise in a way, you know, to help, you know, create more innovative products that people will like, and that are, you know, better for them. And so the results of this partnership are coming to market pretty soon. Right. Yeah. They should be in the next couple of months. There's. There's three products in particular for the new one line of products that McCormack caz. They're ones shan't, sheep pan and one Skillet pan. Beal's one's a bourbon, pork, when's Tuscan chicken and another New Orleans style sausage in vegetables. And these are just the first of what we believe will be a a a whole set of products that come out they they use a to assist the product developers in creating new flavors. So eventually, we would see this being used by all of this the five hundred people at McCormick that work in their, you know, development areas to help them create better products. And you know, it's like any other tool. The better the tool you have to work with you know, hopefully, the better the results that come out. Tell us how this works from the on the view from that from that perspective. I don't think computers can taste can they know they can't. And that's actually one reason why we think this is partnership between the computer and the person so to train a practice bell per flavors. They I will say getting undergraduate degree and food science or nutrition or chemistry, and then they'll apprentice to one of the masters, and they'll learn for ten years, and they'll observe what the masters do. And learn sort of tricks of the trade so to speak what the computer does actually quite similar. So as people are working nowadays to create, you know, flavor formulas and things they get recorded in computers and over the years McCormick has recorded hundreds of thousands of, you know, formulas for various products along with sensory results, which are you know, how do in taste tests, and and consumer tests and so on n eve. And how well they do in the market. And so the computer, you know, takes all this data the information about the formulas and the rummage aerials in the sensory results and learn the patterns of things that that work. Well, combinations of ingredients that pair well together functional substitutes like I can substitute. You know, starch for flower in a a gravy, and they'll still get thick gravy and other things and then it uses these to generate new suggestions, no like a person it is learning from the masters. Unlike a person can actually look at hundreds of thousands of examples, but as you mentioned like a person it also can't actually taste or smell the results. But we think that it's ability to actually look over so much data. And, you know, learn the interesting patterns is kind of an advantage. We can bring to the product developers to give them sort of a a leg up on creating better products. And when you when you say and look at so much data. Are you talking about different seasonings and spices from geographic regions? Typically, I I suppose a chef or cook. In in say Italy uses a certain group, and doesn't know about spices from a different region of the globe. Yeah. That's true. But but even locally that happen. So I like McCormick will have maybe three four thousand different ingredients that that can be used. And and sometimes those ingredients are just different versions of garlic. You know, they have maybe four hundred different kinds of garlic where you know, flake garlic powder, garlic chunk, garlic fresh, garlic Asian garlic's. They have North American garlic's. They have you know, garlic's with different grain sizes. And so it's hard for a person to actually know say three thousand different ingredients in detail. Really? Well, they probably have you know, a few hundred of their Goto ingredients. And they've only had some experience in the things they've been involved in. And so what the system can do is look over like the full set of three thousand different ingredients and recommend things that particular flavors product developer may not be. Millea with so just as you were suggesting that people in Italy might have a different set of Goto things than people North America. You can also be the case that the person down the hall has a different set of go to things than you do. And if the system can help, you know, bring some of that expertise from the person down the hall to apply to the problem that that you're working on, you know, then you can hopefully get a better result. I have read I think that among the occupations that may be in danger from artificial intelligence and robots would be chefs. What are your thoughts about that? How does this come into play there? Well, so we're really working not particularly with the chefs. But with the the flavor in practice, Bella pers-, so for them, you know, there's actually it's hard for companies. They actually get enough of those people there, you know, because it takes them ten years to train a person than they might work for twenty five years, and then retire there's really kind of a big demand for them. So we're trying to actually make those people, you know, more productive. So rather than this is not going to replace anyone, but it might make it. So that say a more junior flavors can perform more like a more experienced flavors. And so it may actually, you know, because the system can help train people, and can, you know, work with people to produce better results. It may actually expand the employment for peace. Who are flavors then product developers? Interesting now has the artificial intelligence come up with combinations. That have surprised you or the folks at McCormick. Yeah, they have. And it's often. Well, let me give you one example that I was told about that particular person was working on something for Italian pizza, and I don't know the details, but they were working on. And so they're thinking very much Italian. You know, the kind of a regular other things that you would put into something Italian and the system suggested that in cumin and cumin just not something you think of when you're in Italy, the person tried it, and it actually made the dish taste takes much better. And so to some extent people often have sort of cultural biases there, you know, when they're thinking talion, they're thinking of certain set of ingredients. But it may be that adding a small amount of an ingredient that's not typically associated with that cuisine can actually help improve the overall flavor. And so to some extent the the system doesn't have sort of the same. You know? Cultural knowledge that sort of limit some of its choices which can be good bad. So it may suggest putting something into talian dish that would people think would make think it's not Italian anymore. But it also can add small amounts of things that are not typically associated with a talian dish that actually then improve the overall flavor and make people like it, and the, you know, it might be added amount that doesn't really stick out so much but just improves the overall flavor, and so people still with being talion interesting is one of the benefits of your job that you get to taste some of these things. Yeah, we were actually very fortunate. We've been down to visit the McCormick research technology center, quite a few times. And we've got the sample number of things that that computers come up with and we actually got samples of the three products that are coming out on the market. And I had everyone over to my house the other night to to cook them up and sample. Them. And actually, I think everybody was very pleased with the results, you know, you despite the fact that we're not ourselves expert. Chefs very interesting now for more info on what's to come. I guess folks can be looking at the McCormick one line. It's called. Yes. That's correct. And eventually they hope to roll this out as a tool to all the product developers worldwide. And so it would be something that is available for all of them to use all the McCormick products. And so it's not the necessarily that a particular product, you know, has a inside or something like that. But that all the practice L are free to make use of the tool to, you know, help them do their work more efficiently, and hopefully come up with better results is they're gonna indication on the packaging about the involvement of the research. I actually I'm not in the marketing department. I've no idea. Well, very interesting again. It's the McCormick one line from IBM research, Dr Richard Goodwin. Thank you for taking the time with us. Thank you very much. Now, this how many companies out there have continued to innovate when it comes to building. A better radio. 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Schwab Goes Free
"It's Tuesday October. I welcomed the market fully. I'm back career and I am joined in studio by Motley Fool Endless Andy Cross and emily flipping. How are we doing today. Tuesday Tuesday starting a new quarter start of the new quarter and quite a start for McCormack spicy the spicy earnings Andy. Why didn't I buy this stock a long time ago. I don't know you could've bought it many year over the last years and I still don't own it very good money. Ah We'll talk about that. We're also in China but let's kick things off with Charles Schwab Schwab announcing that it is eliminating online trading commissions nations for US stocks ATF's and options now previously trades were four dollars ninety five cents starting October seventh trades will be zero as in free free shares Schwab down around nine percent at the time of our taping. Andy the ripple effect here e trae down around sixteen percent percent and TD Ameritrade down twenty three percent. What does it all me. I'll say first of all if for all the individual investors who are listening and members members of the Motley fool this is just fantastic news we've been talking about the fact that there is a race to the bottom when it comes to commission trade trade fees of interactive brokers real has really been leading over the last couple of years lowering fees and now Schwab as they've moved down to below five five dollars and fidelity is followed now. Schwab is really putting the out there and going zero for US listen stocks and Canadian listen stocks not ATF's and this is for for individual investors out there. This is great news because you should not be paying a lot if at all for your trades so fantastic news. Schwab is tiny together together with the book that has coming out by Charles Schwab who still chairman still owned eighty percent of the company MAC worth more than four billion dollars of the fifty billion plus company. His new book called invested is coming out tober seven so they decided to push the trade commission feed two zero and as you said this is having ripple effects because the other other brokers brokerage houses who have been following along this path over the years as costs are going to zero. They are not to follow along. This is not big business for these companies anymore the revenue that they will lose somewhere. Schwab is somewhere between three and four percent of their total revenues as these companies have moved much more to fee based solutions for their for their brokerage holders Schwab the biggest out there. They have more than three point seven trillion dollars of assets so it was very meaningful in the market okay. I'm going to push back a little though because you say it's fantastic news but when you eliminate all commissions don't you encourage over trading and if you encourage over trading are you going to have more and more investors stirs losing money the Metaphor I use if just because I enjoy fat free ice cream doesn't mean I have to eat like a dozen tubs is a night of fat free ice cream right so don't go crazy and certainly don't over trade but the the the fact that to invest in businesses we we have to right now at least use a brokerage. We shouldn't be paying for that that fact do that so for individual investors as Charles Schwab for for decades has been leading this push to opening to lowering costs democratizing investing ask the Motley fool has has been doing for for more than two decades. It's it's good news for Vigil investors who want to own business for long-term certainly matt good point. Don't use it to over trade. Please use it to over trade because that is one of the worst things as you can do for your portfolio returns forget the costs emily just the fact that trading. INADA stocks is not good for your returns the best way and tax money taxes but even if your tax free account or tax advantaged account over trainee. It's just bad for your investments because you tend to sell stocks at the wrong time and by the wrong time I'm so don't use this as an excuse to over trading but certainly uses an opportunity to try to lower your cost to be able to invest in businesses for the long term. You can't Kocides that enough. I mean I had a member post on the board today. For blast officers that I work on saying that because the portfolio had been squeezed I mean the market obviously over the past month or two months has just been volatile to say the least sold off almost forty percent of his or her investment and that's a problem right so if you have free trading it might incentivize Cintas. Is you to start doing stuff like selling when the stocks go down and that's not what you want to be doing. I mean we're buying hold investors and you look at the average returns for individual investors verses. This is the market it's always lower and that's usually always attributable to the fact that people are very very bad at timing the market very bad at making buying and selling decisions so the best thing you can do as always to buy and hold hopefully this just means that our members are not able to buy and hold for cheaper now. What's interesting about this from the market side. Mac is that so so some of the other competitors are Schwab down pretty significantly in the markets. Today Schwab is really probe from a from an expense to acid perspective the minute assets they have under management and with their their clients have with Schwab is by far the most efficient so from the cost side they can spread their costs and kind of swallow the hit the revenue better better than most of the players out there may be other than interactive brokers but so it is a real challenge to some of the other brokerage houses really get not just their revenue live from the cost the commission side but really continuing to use technology to improve the cost side and emily before the taping. We're talking about some other potential competitors who aren't yet public like Robin Hood the appeal of Robinhood. I know a lot of millennials and a lot of newer investors and younger investors use robinhood and the big selling point their free trade. What does does this mean for Robin Hood. I actually still think Robin Hood somewhat competitively positioned admittedly they got their start by offering free trade and nobody else was but they did a great job of building a mobile platform when nobody else had it and pulling in an entire base of young users people who otherwise never trade then had the ability to do so for a lot the cheaper and I think it brought in generation of investors that wouldn't have otherwise been in the market so I don't think Robin Hood is maybe as competitively positioned as they were. If everybody else was charging five dollars per trade but I will say that I still like the business. I still think there's a sticky base of users. These users are younger. They're less lucrative than the users users that big platforms have so just keep in mind. I will say I think to Emily's point that Robin Hood has a really nice attractive offering for the temple clients. They are ah yes they are bringing in and I think that's good and they have brought investors into the market. Hopefully investors long-term investors and that's good news. I think this is a challenge. I think this is a real challenge for them though I don't what they're private market valuation is today compared to what it was yesterday. I'm guessing it's a little bit lower. but Schwab twelve million active brokerage accounts one point seven million retirement accounts house three point seven more than three point seven trillion under assets so the real big player out there and they're getting more and more competitive league advantage with this move and in the use of technology and where they are pushing their their own business too. I think when look out long term I think that's those kinds of investments are going to pay off and and that might be a little bit more of a challenge than to to someone like Robin Hood than what it was. Maybe a few years ago when they got started and let's move onto spices. McCormick just is flat out getting it done once again. Shares up around five percent on earnings profits rising eleven percent for the quarter emily that has a lot of old bay that is a lot of a lot of spice their MAC yeah the real story here just operational efficiencies. McCormack sales have actually kind of had a sluggish start to the year. in this growth in sales was small much smaller than its growth in earnings so that is to say despite the fact that steals their their studies sales their you know their sound spices. They're doing their business but they're really showing that they have operational efficiencies kind of stemming back to their their 2017 acquisition vision of an butcher this reckitt Brechner yeah yeah so the Franks hot sauce people. That's what I'm GONNA call them. I did go to our our resident. McCormick expert before coming in Jason Moser gave me his insights and his thing was yeah McCormick the reason why it's been such an amazing performer as after that acquisition. I think it was something like four billion dollar acquisition. It was extremely expensive and people were concerned about the price at McCormick paid to to acquire them and they've actually done a great job of integrating that it's growing sales sales. I'm getting this operational efficiencies. His question was just okay what's next right so they need their their next newest greatest acquisition that might get the stock hammered again in short term like it did for record brechner but it also offers opportunity for them to grow sales and and further improve efficiencies in ways that they haven't been able to get in the brands let let me add the brands a lot of us think. McCormack and we look at all the spices in this mice rats but they're McCormick brands include McCormick French's gourmet grill mate's lowry's Zatarain's in Espanol so they have a lot of different sub brands within that McCormick umbrella yeah. This is kind of a company that when you look at history we we mentioned this the top of the show Mac. It's just been a wonderful stock performer but it's one of those companies that I think looking at the last five years able to grow revenues you know in the mid single single digits or you're talking like five to seven percent. They get these efficiencies. They continue to have kind of like cost reductions. Get a little bit more efficient on the distribution a little bit more efficient on the dish on the the manufacturing they make these acquisitions and you get a business that can grow their profits more like maybe twice maybe more along the lines of ten percent and you buy these stocks doc so the right at a reasonable price women when the market sells off did earlier this year after the announcement after earnings announcements or after the acquisition like that and you have a chance to really own very solid probably not as volatile stock in the market over many years. You just have to have the patients because it's not. GonNa get that the headlines that you might hear about from lots of the other larger companies especially larger Tech Company these days in the stock and as you mentioned his been an incredible in fact if you're out and about tonight you're hanging out with friends. You're at home with your significant other or your spouse. Here is a great conversation starter and by Great. I mean conversation. Ender McCormick has more than doubled over the last five years and is beaten the market over the last one five ten in in twenty year period so any it's not the sexiest stock and less market crushing returns are sex and they they are sexy. They're certainly spicy spicy. I mean when you think about just buying holding that the tax advantage behind that instead of trading in and out of positions and just letting that company in that management team do what they've done for many years and they have the brands and I mean it's very profitable they have great profit margins just a really good solid company by at the right price and hold on to it for the long term yeah and I just want to point out one thing in their Mac so look at the returns over one year beating the market right within that same period that had a drop of almost twenty percents so this is just a reminder reminder everybody going back to the point of not over treating these stocks will go up in down dramatically and they can still be good long-term investment so when a stock like like. McCormack's is down twenty percent because it had maybe a bad quarter. That's not your indicator. Now I can sell for free. I'm going to sell by later. No just hold that company and Yoga Market crushing returns. You know what's amazing about that. If you look long over the last five years the volatility of McCormick stock versus the market. It's much less volatile than the market so emily your your point is so perfect in between the course of certainly a day but up to a year any stock can be fairly volatile but a company like. Mccormick over the long term tends to be less volatile all told the market and for those investors out there who are really just looking for companies to generate returns for their make money generate returns for their portfolio. Maybe be a little less volatile. McCormack's McCormick's good way to go so if I'm a McCormick shareholder the stock goes down and I can make a free trade. I should necessarily make that okay. Do you have a favorite spice. I love all day. I'm I live in Maryland Old Bay and crab. That's that's the fastest connection right there for me. I'm obsessed asked right now with black pepper. I mean I'm looking. I am putting that on every I like that was discovered you say that as if recently discovered black black pepper normally I would sprinkle Bob. I am I am eating food that is majority flavored black pepper right now and do you. Do you grind it yourself or do you don't I don't so I have one that you grind and I have just this McCormack. Just the black pepper spice is just putting the black I don't really like doing that's ground is a little too papper. It's not consistent yes. I can't get my kids. I was telling you earlier. I can't get my kids to eat pepper and is making me driving me bomb while you're young. Give any advice vice there how to get my kids why I don't mean to pepper you at question here but why why is getting your kids to eat pepper because because Mac I love of spicy food and I want them to appreciate the nuances of Spicy Food and they are not doing it so if any advice out there please let me know my advice is to let them live their own lives. Is Anybody out there besides not about advice for me. It's not about us. Your glory days are over the long long long long. I don't take that from me. That's such a changed man by lot okay. Let's close with a couple of listener your questions on China now. Emily reports last week that the White House was considering de Listing Chinese companies from US stock exchanges now over the weekend. A A treasury spokeswoman said the administration is not considering delisting Chinese companies quote at this time in quote so we got a couple of listener sner questions on that Front Kathy owns a number of Chinese stocks that fools recommended and her question was if trump forces the delisting am I forced to sell and we also got a question on twitter from Andy W asking how force delisting would affect his ownership of those companies yeah I will well. I will say Mac when this news came out last Friday. I I saw it and I I just quit for the day I thought I broke out the box of wine a little bit earlier but I normally box. They called it a day and black pepper tasers pepper black pepper and the white wine. I I do at this point believe that trump is out to personally get my portfolio but I guess now other investors are starting to feel a little while but I will say this. it's great that they cleared up that statement it's not the Nasdaq for instance. It's a private company. So the idea of an administration forcing the delisting of companies buddies would really be unprecedented and to the extent that they could do that. It would have to be done in a regulatory manner now. The concern with Chinese companies have particular other than these companies just being being used as a political tool is the idea that they're not being held to the same accountability standards that American companies are and there are easier ways regulatory ways to get them to maybe maybe using a US based auditor for instance as opposed to using Chinese auditors a lot easier than forcing all of these companies to delist so I will just say that I think a take an act like this would be extremely unlikely. I think that's an overstatement saying unlikely. It's it's virtually impossible a lot of these Chinese companies. All of these trains companies are incorporated in the cayman the islands there are a lot of other foreign companies that are also incorporated in the Cayman Islands. So are you going there for ban all companies incorporated in the Cayman Islands inadvertently preventing the listing of other companies but let's just say so. I don't think it's possible saying the theoretical role that this did happen and all these Chinese companies are forced delays from American exchanges. Obviously this would depend on the regulations that were put into place and clearly we didn't get any color about that but if I can just ponder for a moment what that might look like it could mean that these companies would be forced to move to over the counter markets. It's it's also possible that over the markets but also be regulated. If that were the case what would likely happen. Is these companies within choose list on a foreign exchange. Hong Kong Kaku change is London stock exchange a different exchange and how that how they would handle that would likely be to retain your share ownership on a foreign exchange thin that goes onto your broker about how they're going to support that if not then it's possible that you would essentially be forced to sell your shares again. I don't think something like this is going to happen. I it's not a factor when when I think about buying these companies I think right now we're just seeing a lot of investors are personal portfolio is being used as a political tool right now and what is increasing tensions engines between the US and China agree with Emily. I think the chances are are are slight herb not very high at least again. Mac is just another example example. You see so much of the especially these days just a a lot of headlines out there that Dr Short Term Day trading essentially and we WANNA make sure investors out there who are listening truly molly. Full investors understand that you take the news headlines but you have to digest them. You have to understand what it means for looking at the next three hours of trade your free now trades are going free. Mac At least at one house right brokerage house right now and probably others are going to follow it so it does not mean you have to treat obviously so all jokes aside you. WanNa make sure when you see headlines like this because we know they're out there. You obviously take perspective that is healthier than just a day preferably three three to five years okay desert in question you know we don't really have a lot of stocks on this show so we could create some basket of Chinese listed companies or we you just say you're on a desert island for the next five years. You're looking at like McCormick or Schwab or black pepper. I'm not sure let's let's go. Let's go McCormick or Schwab. I can't say black pepper because I can't get my kids. EAT IT so I. I'm seeing Schwab. I just think it's it's a large cap company but the the scale they are building out in the size is they are at the at the rate in the size they are doing that. I think is just really impressive. Extra exceptionally well run very profitable with good returns on equity woody and a cost base especially low cost base that's getting cheaper as they use technology and is some point if interest rates to to move in the other direction. That's going to be good news for Schwab shareholders yeah. I'll I'll say McCormack. Actually I one of the things that we didn't mention is McCormick. It's a low dividend but it's a pretty steady steadily paid dividend in which is nice for investors and I. I personally think I consume enough black pepper to keep this business for the foreseeable future. Okay was always people on the show may have interest I in the socks they talk about and the Motley fool may have formal recommendations for against so don't buy or sell stocks based solely on what you hear. Andy and emily thanks for joining me. Thanks Mac thank you. That's it for this edition of market for the show is mixed by Dan void. I Matt Career. Thanks for listening and we will see you tomorrow breath.
CLASSIC: Fire in the Sky: Tunguska
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Was this massive explosion in tune guscott. You guys remember this episode. Ooi most certainly do. It's one of the weirdest things you're going to hear about really the trees that to me. That was one of the most fascinating things about this. What happened to the trees. What caused all these trees. Whatever it was to do what they did you know. I love a good tree story matt when the trees are at the center of the mystery. And that's gonna get today's classes including a wonderful appearance from joe mccormack of stuff to blow your mind fame. Guess what always excited about off. Air jews done some great episodes with us including the bicameral mind. Check that one out. If you haven't listened to it already but for a taste of mystery a taste of tunguska darisi a taste of joe mccormick. go ahead and check this out Just to be warned. This is not the travis walton fire in the sky story. That's not what this is. This is something completely different. Yes yes and better. Well that's up to you folks. From ufo's to ghosts and government cover ups histories riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Suddenly the north sky the sky was split into and high above the forest. The whole northern part of the sky appeared covered with fire. At that moment there was a bang in the sky in a mighty crash. The crash was followed by a noise. Like stones falling from the sky or of guns firing. The earth trembled and that was a quotation. That comes to us via a researcher named leonid. Pulic who heard this account at the norwich trading post in russia the account was read by our special guest on the show today The one the only mr joe mccormick who may recognized from forward thinking. Hello i everybody. It's an honor to be on the show of repute. Such as this. Why thank you. My name is matt and i'm ben and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know and today we're discussing something extremely cool something explosive and fiery and dangerous and deadly. Well fortunately as far as we know not deadly for any humans yes but there were probably several animals injured in the making of this event. Oh i'd say no doubt about that Yeah so today. we're going to be talking about the tunguska event. A while back mr ben bolan came up to me and he asked if i'd like to be a guest host on stuff they don't want you to know and i said only if we can talk about the tunguska event that was one of many of the conditions that came attached to this appearance. Those a lot of paperwork yeah. We're glad we could make it all happen but this is such a fascinating topic because we know. We know the facts and for decades. Afterwards people were not sure what actually happened. But as we go through the episode today matt. Joe and i are going to illuminate the events a little bit by talking about what we know in the beginning. The various theories that were proposed and What we believed nowadays actually happen. So this is not one of those podcasts. Where you'll walk away with way more questions than answers. We have the answer. Ladies and gentlemen We have the answer and as the mad hatter said to. Alice will start at the beginning and go through the middle and we'll stop at the end. Sound good that's so let's start. At what exactly was the ten guscott event will we should start by saying what tunguska is okay. That's not a word that pops up every day right. Well maybe if you're one of us three but right now for most people okay so the tunguska or the podium anaya tunguska. If i'm saying that correctly is a region in russia it's actually a region in siberia. I believe in siberia proper so a lot of people will say basically anything. East of the mountains is siberia not all siberia. There's actually a part of russia that is officially siberia and this includes the tunguska region. Right spot on the pod ca mnay which i'm probably mispronouncing is also a river that flows westward about nine hundred seventy six miles or for everyone outside of the united states and maybe to other countries Fifteen hundred seventy one kilometers to place called the river the name of this river Means tunguska under the pebbles there are a couple of different tunguska and their tributaries of the In it's called under the pebbles. Interestingly enough because it flows under these pebble field so it's not a an open river for the entirety of its run. Yeah and so in this region you have some you've a lot of forests you also have Peat bogs and swamps and so there's a lot of great wilderness out there. There's not that much civilization. Yeah that is fortunate. It is not exactly new york city As as you may have heard about siberia it's a pretty isolated place right now. Yeah it's a difficult place for humans to live their lives the only humans that really live out there are these Semi nomadic herders and trappers that survive off the land and they're few and far between there. What are they called the evenki. I guess we should also do a disclaimer that Of none of the three of us to our knowledge our russian and noel. I don't believe you're okay knowle's also Not a native russian speaker on what what we do know. aside from mispronouncing things here and there We do know that in this isolated part of the world. Something very strange happened a little after seven. Am on june thirtieth in one thousand nine hundred eight. You heard the quotation right. A massive explosion the way a lot of people at the time seemed to have described it and as far as we know there was nobody at ground zero this there there were people who were quite far away but still felt the effects imminently So people described seeing a vast light in the sky burning particles sky full of fire. A second son These terrifying apocalyptic visions and then feeling things like searing heat coming from the air and then Shockwave blast says if Described like cannon fire who and we also know that People from as far as forty miles away reported some stuff about this blast. So there's no argument here. Something definitely happened. It wasn't just a bunch of nobody's denying don't like No no no nothing to see here right because even burned people within thirteen miles of it happened and their animals that were burned. So they're obvious effects that you could feel. Nc yes some real into the world stuff there But as we know as we said at the top Years past in people weren't sure what occurred and in the absence of that No one was able to say what happened so people started saying what they thought happened. Door believed had occur. We assure something huge happens like this and you know you go to what you know what you believe right. That's kind of what humans do something. If you don't understand it it's just you go to your innermost beliefs. Sure i mean if something like this were to happen say Fifty years later. You can bet. I think that you apology would immediately come into play. I'd say that wasn't such a big thing back in nineteen. Oh eight. I mean there were vague. Ideas otherworldly visitations. But they didn't have the science fiction vision of flying saucers with energy weapons. Like we do today. yeah or Perhaps a nuclear strike something with that. Something looks like a second son burning the air. Yeah one might say that again today. But back then i mean they had no reference point for that. They didn't have nuclear weapons yet. We write that we know of all right. So that's a really interesting point though su if we talk about some of the things that people did believe we will see that. Some of these ideas came into play Decades after the fact and and one of those being the idea of extraterrestrials so you'll you'll see claims that some sort of extraterrestrial force either accidentally or purposefully triggered this explosion or that evidence of this craft this weapon or whatever. Oh that's the most important part that it was something made by it intelligence right that it was not just from space but purposely crafted and then sent here And then you can also see that when people started speculating that perhaps this was tech. Tesla technology right. Yeah so. I've seen this claim just Pretty low profile. It seems to me but around the web and various places. People speculating well. I wonder if the tunguska event the giant fire in the sky with that was seen there was nikola tesla the famed somewhat. Maybe mad inventor testing his so-called defray. Now tesla tried to disown the term death. He wasn't interested in that and he tried to distance himself from it but he did for many years advertised that he was trying to create a particle beam. That would be used as a weapon that could end all wars basically that it would be able to repel from a great distance. Any infantry invasion or air airplane attack That it would be a devastating weapon that would provide insurmountable defence to every country that possessed it right which i think is an interesting argument for deterrence ryan. We see happening now. The the logic of having a nuclear arsenal is similar to the logic here with his particle hitting really what he's talking about. Tesla is just mutually assured destruction Well it could be interpreted that way actually did a podcast with jonathan strickland on tech stuff about this. I'm not usually host of tech stuff. But i guessed it with him about Technologies that were believed at some point might end all wars world. He's tech turns out none of those of ever worked But so one way of looking at weapons to end wars is this idea of mutually assured destruction everybody has weapons so powerful that it's in nobody's interest starter war because the retaliation would be devastating to you. The other idea is a Prohibitive defensive weapon. And i sometimes get the impression. That's what tesla is thinking about okay. He's thinking about well. It's not necessarily so much that it would be a devastating retaliatory attack. But you could repel anything coming into your border. It would be almost kind of like a tesla steam punk version of the iron dome. That israel employs Supposedly to shoot down. 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Then we don't really know but we we Have more compelling evidence that says he didn't have anything to do with it. yeah. I am not even convinced. It's likely that tesla ever really had a particle beam. Look i'm just going to say if he did have a particle being. And i don't know if he did that would be the perfect place to tested in the middle of nowhere right if you assume that he was a relatively humane guy he wanted to be. It would be like the nuclear tests in the desert. You'd wanna do them somewhere where nobody was living. Thown say yeah. And that's that's a really good point because what if there were some sort of group that had technology Here on my notes. I had streets of head streets ahead. Because i was watching community earlier. Now use that phrase ad nauseam. But i don't know what that means. It's though man i'll tell you okay. It's just a lame way of trying to say something school So this idea that there would be some sort of suppressed technology that was being tested. Not necessarily tied to tesla. That's that's another popular idea Again it's an idea that as far as we know does not have any tangible proof at this time And then of course when weird with it there is the idea of an extremely small black hole. I haven't read a lot about this. But from what i have looked at. It doesn't seem very likely. The idea is basically that a black holes shot through the earth so we had a wandering tiny black hole that was just floating through space and at some point it entered earth's atmosphere smashed through earth exited out the other side. I believe share. I seems fairly ridiculous on its face. He was like there will be more destruction. Is something like that were to happen. I don't know well. And i think the is that there would be more evidence of right like we'd see It would have had more effects at both ends linear road. Exit wound honestly. We have no idea what would happen. If a black hole. Inter- i mean. I'm sure somebody could probably run some kind of simulation of it. But as long as they don't do it for real i think. Also the idea of these wa-wandering black holes all around the earth that that's basically sci-fi we have no reason to think there's anything like that near the earth in the solar system. He had just don't go near the center of the galaxy. That's all the question would be out could it In one thousand nine hundred eight maybe not but in two thousand and fourteen there would be ways to find evidence of those things if they existed this close to us. yeah there's another idea here. As an armchair folklorist. I found fascinating and it is the original local explanation for the tunguska event that depends on neither extraterrestrials nor matt science. Yeah that's right. We're talking about god's here everybody. This is exciting. There's no reason that the only mythology we should take seriously as technology mythology absolutely I mean i'd say let's talk about the gods on even footing with with tesla and black holes and aliens. Okay so what is the idea. What did the locals or at least the locals who believed in this believe happened at the tunguska event. Oh yeah well they they place the blame of this on a god named ogi which again. I'm probably mispronouncing a thunder god Whom they believed was summoned And in a visitation to the area cursed it There's an interesting Monarch chance that comes to us. Translated via diyer hoffman professor siberian ethnography at hamburg university The shaman is vastly zone cool and this has a bit of it's kind of invocation to od Do you guys wanna read it. Are you ready. Oh i don't know. Are you ready listener. Because it's about the epic in here. The god comes. The god comes the earth trembles in fear at the coming of the earth rises and falls beneath my feet like waves of water. Might lisa purification is overthrown. My lodge toppling. The god comes the god calls out. Blinding bright is tongue lashes. The sky is roar booms off the hills. The heavens ring rope is coaling his avatar from the lower world at my feet. Tears open at the touch of his fiery tongue. The god calls out heeding the god's call avatar night-workers spawn of darkness beast of evil heart from the lower world. He arises insatiable all of our and as wild dogs tearing entrails of their killed heating. The god's call the avatar arises men are really like that. That's that is awesome apocalyptic poetry. Seriously i wish i really wish we had more of that kind of imagery just a colorful imagery in our mythology. I got nothing like that here. I mean there are some pretty. There's some pretty heavily. I guess the right. Where would be epic or metal. There's some pretty metal parts of most religions. Oh yeah. I'm just what i would say. Is that you believing stuff like oh it was aliens or uh-huh tesla's testing is death. Ray has no poetry like that. So quotidian yes. So that's a that's a good point And also i like the idea that what we're looking at when we see these three different explanations Is a various groups of people are attempting to explain an inexplicable event. Through the lens of the way they see the world right yeah through a framework it also helped the place the enormous loss of life and property in perspective so they thought some shaman foolishly Called on the and that was the root of the problem. They didn't really talk about this for a while though We didn't really have an investigation. Certainly not nineteen hundred eight right no but years later. We finally did this episode of stuff. They don't want you to know is brought to you by dr pepper. You heard that right. 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Okay so i guess it's time to talk about what really happened in. Nineteen oh eight. What was the tunguska event. We note was an explosion fire. Heat thunder shockwaves from the sky. Was it in reality. Okay so it seems like the first scientific expedition to the area happened. In nineteen twenty one when leonid kulik hit the scene and he was looking for a crater because the basic idea in mainstream science was this was a meteor it was a it was a rock from space that descended descended into the atmosphere and hit the ground somewhere and blew up so with massive impact event And there might have been then. They're they're definitely still to. Some degree is today. Debate about what. The nature of this object from space was was it an asteroid largely rocky body or was it a comment like a ball of ice and dust But the main ideas something from space came into the atmosphere blew up so he wanted to go find where it hit and it turns out when he actually did get to find it. Because i believe there were multiple expeditions where he actually found it So once he got to the area it was not hard to find ground zero because there were about more than eight hundred square miles about two thousand square kilometers of trees that were affected by this explosion. Basically a bullseye shape so when you entered the area from the outer circle the forest turned into a landscape of flattened trees trees knocked flat against the ground all outward in the same direction going out from the middle. Obviously it would be pretty easy to know what direction you need to go. Who would be amazing. I would just say to walk through that. Yeah gosh so be cool. Yeah and so. He followed the eight hundred square miles. Wow yeah as you said. That's that's the rough estimates. It's more than that. Yeah i think it was more. It was like eight hundred and twenty eight hundred and forty eight hundred miles But so they they proceeded inward and found toward the center of the bullseye scorched tree. Trunks standing straight up with no branches just stripped branches gone like charred telephone poles. I mean what on earth but how interesting that they weren't knocked over the way the ones on the outside. Yes but the branches are one of the biggest pieces of evidence to because that only occurred. That wouldn't occur again that we have documentation of until he rocha mama When really yeah because of the the speed and the pressure knocked the branches off Before he could translate that to the trunk so the it's like getting hit so hard that your arms fall off before you feel it in your chest. Yeah so well if you think about this though what it suggests is not an impact on the ground right yet but an explosion from above. And here's where we get to what has become the accepted. Theory of the tunguska event In the year since scientists today are pretty much in agreement that what happened there. Something entered the atmosphere from space and it blew up before it hit the ground may just heated to the point that it completely exploded and then the downward shockwave stripped and scorch the trees below it. As the shockwave spread out it would turn horizontal and its direction. Knocked down the trees for those hundreds of miles and the the questions That this leaves us with their things. Like what would have happened if it had actually hit the ground Nasa has some pretty interesting information on this and and the current theory is that this was This rock was about one hundred twenty feet across and that it was traveling at a speed in excess of thirty three thousand miles per hour about thirty three point. Five thousand and that it weighed two hundred twenty million pounds now. These are all estimates of course based on Based on the best forensic data they can pull but Still even if at that is just in the area of of the correct numbers that that is frightening. The craziest number was the next one. They idea that heated the surrounding air to forty four thousand five hundred degrees fahrenheit. That's that's well. I mean it's it's very common for things entering the atmosphere to burn up upon entry. You've heard about this before. It's often believed that the reason is friction right. But that's actually. I recently found out. That's not true that it's It has to do with compression. Heating so travelling so fast against the The thick air of our atmosphere that it smashing the air in front of it So fast the air heats up to these incredible temperatures and the thing catches on fire the outside surfaces of it melted and sometimes if it gets hot enough and if it's composed in the right way all the conditions are just right. It'll just explode. See that's why. When i reentered earth's atmosphere i go slow. It's the long run. And i mean like i get down here safely but it takes a month easy. Really wanna schematics and baggers. How you do that been well. Say if they're going to build a space elevator one thing that's going to be disappointing about it is. It's gonna take you at the least days to get to space. You can't go fast up and down these thing. It's kinda and i think that's actually that's technological limitation at this point but it seems like you might not wanna go fast probably areas where you can speed up a little bit and then you'll have to slow down again speed up again. I mean if we're still talking human enterprise that'll be traffic jams peoples Space elevator pods will break down. It'll be really tough to go fast to go quickly when you have the technology but you know maybe we shouldn't. It reminds me a little bit of together. Remembered dune how they had The force fields for fighting. And you couldn't the force fields would stop a blunt. You guys are staring at me. I'm sorry i never read dune. Okay sorry It's all right. She's somebody out there leasing. Gentlemen you guys know what. I'm talking about but Going back to object to hand. Yeah really fast. So this is fascinating to me. Nasa believes that it exploded at a at a height of twenty eight thousand feet. Which okay so. I'm just trying to understand this thing that weighs millions of pounds. At least according to nasa explodes that high up in the sky in it still is able to wreak such massive destruction on the ground that to me is terrifying and it does make you think about nuclear weapons tests and other times. Nuclear weapons have been used in exploded in the sky well as with many great natural explosions. Science communicators often have to frame it. In terms of how many atomic bombs are how many hydrogen bombs They did. I believe this. The same quote you've got from nasa did they said basically that the explosion of this object from space release the energy equivalent to quote one hundred and eighty five hiroshima bombs which just boggles the mind And again that that further reinforces how astonishing. It is is a point that you made earlier. Joe that no one died as far as we know someone might have that we don't know about. There's there's no record that. I could find that anyone any person was killed. I'm sure lots of animals were so what what. Then what then do we. We arrive at when the in the ongoing debate over. What sort of space rock this is slash was. There are arguments that it was a comet and their arguments that it was an asteroid me a rocky meteorite And their arguments in in both directions. I believe the favored hypothesis. These days is that it was a rocky rocky meteor and asteroid type body based on fragments that have now been found and analyzed by which of course we mean rocky as in composed of rock as in the original records that later became the rocky franchise sent to us from space which i would be okay with but you know i'd be surprised okay. So here's my question. I don't want to sound like dumbed him over here. But from what. I what i was looking at there doesn't seem to be any kind of crater right. At the center of the bull's eye area there are trees standing up. There's not an impact crater anything. No so i just want to understand better. Why why it was why the thought that it was iraqi crater asteroid from fragment i mean because the it exploded and burned with such energy. I believe the thinking is that there were no huge fragments left to leave a gigantic crater. I did read there. There's one lake near the area that some people wonder i wonder if a very small fragment of the of the meteor Impacted here. Maybe it was just like a few feet. Wide impacting with high energy and created the crater. That's now this lake. But i don't think that's very well established as kind of a theory that really doesn't hold water And there are fragments all over the place also you. You could see what happened to this in dust that you can find all over the place. So i mean okay. This mass a lot of it landed on the surface of the earth. But just not not not not in a piece big enough that you can usually tell But yeah they found. They found traces of whatever. This thing was all over. The place in the peat bogs in the tunguska area under there are samples of rocks that appear to be meteoric in origin And i believe. I've also read that. There were layers of of cosmic dust. The kind of dust you would find after a large impact from space found in ice cores around the area dating back to about the time. Okay so nice. I seems pretty straightforward. This was an object from space. Maybe a comet more likely iraqi meteor so are are you saying. It probably wasn't the gods probably wasn't the gods probably wasn't tesla probably wasn't aliens or a black hole but that makes it no less creepy because instead what we walk away with. Is the idea that there are things out there. In space that with pretty regular frequency are going to come into our atmosphere in there that big and they come in with that much speed and energy and if something like the tunguska event were to happen over say a major city i mean the game over. Yeah and it could. It could easily. There's some geopolitical dangers there as well. Because depending upon which city it hits In which countries they are allies or rivals with Then it could escalate immediately. Yeah i i would say we have much better ability now to predict impacts like like now we have nasr's near earth object program that the tracks all of the objects within range of earth that will that are large enough for us to detect yet. So i mean we're we're somewhat better prepared than we were in nineteen eight but that's that's comparing of course That's comparing a little bit better vision. And no real protection to No vision and no real protection. I mean well no actually we do have a very important line of defense. Bruce willis is snow. You're going. I keep forgetting okay. Well let's see passes on. We are truly naked to the fury of the universe of the uncaring dark inky void. But but there there's some other things here because Let's let's explore this just a little bit. I can't remember who wrote this very strange theory. That was entirely speculative about Maybe impact events being the most lethal threat to intelligent life on planets and said. Hey maybe the reason that we have never heard from some other Intelligent life it out there in the vast chasms of time and space is because No intelligent life can survive on a planet long enough to involve that kind of technology before something s some impact of in occurs and blows a house of cards doubt that. That's one of those many possible solutions to the so-called fermi paradox. right gyro dogs of Okay so if we can set up a kind of basic probability of guessing how many alien civilizations we'd expect to see out there again all the variables we plug into. This are guesses rice. So there's really no way to know but he said well. There sure are a lot of stars a lot of planets out. There seems like there should be some life out there. Were listening it. Sounds like nobody's home. Yeah there's nothing coming in so either you've got to say well. Maybe life evolving on planets is fairly rare hoover. Maybe there is a lot of life but then becoming technologically intelligent is rare. Or maybe there's some reason they don't want to transmit or there's some reason that the universe or at least our galaxy is not very kind to the life forms that do evolve right and so the ones that do evolve the or at least have the potential to evolve. The technological capability to contact us are smashed by asteroids before they get the chance. And we're just pretty during lucky to have made it this far. We have to remember how long it takes signals to reach. Yeah vast distances through so perhaps there's somebody trying to communicate just hasn't gotten located then years later. God i feel so email right now talking about that but but we also know that impact events themselves aren't the only threats in 'em we can as as we can predict Now more than ever. We have Okay prediction skills But there are things that would happen so quickly that we couldn't stop them if we're talking about the end of the world right. So what if instead of travelling at like thirty something thousand miles per hour. Your incoming event is traveling at the speed of light. When something's traveling towards you at the speed of light you can't see it until it hits you. Oh thanks you. Yeah so what might travel. What what killer thing might travel toward the earth at the speed of light. Maybe a gamma ray burst And the pop quiz. They won't turn us into the hulk or she hog or anything like that they will simply and life as we know it. Depending on the circumstances. Yeah i feel like. I don't need to tell your listeners. This but that's the thing that a lot of people get confused about in pop culture. Radiation doesn't give you superpowers. It just kills you right. Yeah so far You okay. Uh-huh i'm okay. I'm okay. We know what i survived the the massive siamese that hit us a couple of days ago. I here we go Cme for a coronal mass ejection. My friend happens when the sun has. He's fun little things that it happens. When the sun decides to throw up in our general direction just a bunch of its energy and particles charged particles and they just fly towards the earth. they don't always fly towards the earth. Because you got imagine the scale of the sun to the earth. Pretty rare that the earth gets hit by massive. Cme okay are the dangers of that at the l you know it could just fry most of our electrical grid Depending on where it hits. And when i say fry i mean it could just take out the wiring. That's going along your street outside your house. It can just fry that stuff and Short-circuit anything that uses computer that joe's using just all the circuits in there can may even make your car not work sometimes depending on how your car functions. I mean mike car does a pretty good job of not working now. So but yeah but those things are pretty creepy and got hit by two x class There were two x class solar flares that shot off these massive. Siamese a couple days ago. I didn't even know that. Yeah and they. They both impacted earth. But everything seems to be okay. The northern lights went a little crazy. But okay well thank you atmosphere. I guess and timing and We no matter what we do. At this point technologically. We are sort of in the hands of fate or accident And that to me and to guys too i think is one of the most surprising frightening and and a little bit exciting things about the world in which we live. The tunguska event has been explained pretty well by this point However other impact events in the future are a statistical certainty. After you know after some amount of time it's going to happen The only question. What will the magnitude be. And what will our level of technology be. Will we all be on the same planet there. There are some big questions that we would like to carry forward answer But i joe have to say a thank you so much for agreeing to come on our show Joe it only come on if we agreed to Do the chant to og d- Who may or may not. I was just kidding about all that. I'd love to come on and talk about all kinds of weird stuff with you guys. I think that was a complete lie about this. Oh i don't know about you listeners. But i think. I would like to have drove echoing again. This was a lot of fun. please write us and let us know if you want us to do this again. 'cause i'm down. Yeah we We always love to hear from guys as you know our best ideas. Come from our audience. If you enjoy listening to joe mccormick as much as matt now have today than do go check out their podcast forward thinking this podcast covers all of the what. What would you say joe Well i would say that we don't take quite as dark and approaches you. Sometimes we're typically focused on On cutting edge technology in the future guest about science technology in the future. And what life's gonna look like in twenty fifty one hundred years. So are you saying the future is looking pretty bright I'm saying that contrary to the predominant mood these days. There's no necessary reason to be pessimistic about the future. Emu can go either way. And i think it's perfectly reasonable to not take a dystopia and attitude absolutely. Yeah because You know we often hear about the bad stuff. Because that's what sells but the truth is that they're. They're quite a few amazing innovations on the way in laboratories across the world are in places across the world. I mean tack. If ray kurzweil turns out to be right and they were going to say i know that gets under some people's skin there But do check out. Joe show if you would like to Write to us. Or if you have a question for joe we'd love to hear from you can find us on facebook. You can find us on twitter we. Ns the end of this classic episode. If you have any thoughts or questions about this episode you can get into contact with us in a number of different ways. 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The Birth Control Pill | A Matter of Money | 2
"This episode of American innovations contain some sexual content and is not suitable for everyone. Please be advised. It's may nineteen twenty three and a passenger ship is pulling into New York bay. An elegant middle aged woman stands on the deck. Anxiously gazing at the approaching shore. Her name is Katherine, Dexter McCormick. And she's one of the wealthiest women in America. She's also a crusader for women's rights, and Margaret Sanger's closest collaborator. Mccormick has spent the last four months overseas a shopping trip. She is told French customs for the latest, European fashions which was true technically. But it wasn't hats and dresses. She was after the Cormack was in the market for something much more illicit diaphragms hundreds of little dome shaped silicone cups for Sanger's new birth control clinic in New York City, it had been seven years since Sanger's Brownsville clinic was raided by the police and a lot of changed in that time for one American women had won the right to vote, but contraceptives. Were still illegal in the United States. The only place to buy them was Europe. So McCormick traveled to France there. She met with manufacturers placed massive orders. Had the devices shipped to her private Chateau in Geneva, Switzerland, she then hired local seamstresses to discreetly. So the diaphragms one by one into the lining of her dresses and cokes. All told she had filled. Eight large trunks with diaphragm line garments. Now there in the cargo hold of this ship approaching New York City McCormack has been greasing palms, since well before boarding and so far, it's been smooth sailing. Not even the slightest hint of detection. There's just one last obstacle ahead. Port authority. As the ship pulls into the harbor, a deckhand approaches McCormick to confirm arrangements, ma'am. Your luggage is already I arranged for you to be first off the ship with your porters. I so. Appreciate your help. Please take this for all your trouble. She hands him a generous tip, ma'am. This is more money than I see in a week salary may God bless you. Miss mccormack. Mccormick knows for past experience, that the US customs agents will be much more inquisitive than their European counterparts if she gets caught with the diaphragms she could go to prison. More worse, the entire operation could be exposed. It would be disastrous. Mccormick's moves down her outfit assumes, her most entitled posture, and heads towards the gangplank at the dock allowed, customs agent signals her to come over to his gate. That's why lady gave him moving McCormack's summons and indignant attitude to hide her nerves, sir, if you could get this, my car is waiting chiefs lady, what did you do buy out everything in Perry? No contraband. I hope I beg your pardon, you know, fancy artwork and whatnot. And or cheese. You people that you can just bring cheese into I assure you, there is no cheese, good God. If he only knew the agent looks at our dubiously. I'm going to have to look man. Mccormick can feel her heart pounding in her neck. She hands a Mckee to unlock the trunk and holds her breath. The customs agent unstrapped one of the trunks and opens the lid inside he finds several exquisite dresses, packed meticulously and tissue paper. And for coats on padded hangers, the agent lifts one of the furs and inspects. The him Cormick is horrified. She can clearly see the shape of several diaphragms protruding from the line. If this guy had any idea what he was looking for she'd be in serious. Trouble at a wrap this up. Quick, excuse me. How long is this going to take? I'm expected for dinner at the mayor's home. She isn't lying. At some point, she will have dinner with the mayor just not tonight. Does does the police Commissioner will be there to. He did say he might stop by the agent takes another look at the Cote pauses. Then closes the trunk and wave some through McCormick breathes, a sigh of relief. I still can't understand why women would need so many fancy clothes. They'll be put the could use. Trust me. She gets into the taxi and gives them the address to the clinic, a truck follows behind carrying the most exquisitely packaged diaphragms. The world has ever seen more than one thousand in total enough to last a clinic, a year, if it manages to stay open that. American innovations is brought to you by wicks dot com. I've got an idea for something. 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Any premium plan with wicks premium plans, you get more storage free domain for year and much much more. That's wicks dot com code for ten percent off any premium plan. For wondering this is American innovations, and I'm Steven Johnson on our last episode. Dr Gregory Pincus was on the verge of a breakthrough. He had successfully halted ovulation in rabbits, and mice. The project was finally ready for human trials. Only problem was they'd run out of money, those Pinkus, and Margaret Sanger had tapped all of their respective resources. If there was any hope for the birth control pill. They need a big influx of cash fast. That's when Catherine McCormack entered the picture Sanger and met McCormack during the early days of the women's movement Sanger's. Fearless advocacy for the cause at already made her famous McCormick, though new stood out for her independence and intelligence, the pair became fast, friends and collaborators and together, they'd done more to move the needle on women's suffrage than. Anyone else in America, but they stood alone by daring to believe that they could move it farther and permanently like Sanger. Mccormick thought a safe and effective oral contraceptive would give women control over their own bodies and the most important decision of their lives. They understood that the pill was much more than a means to prevent pregnancy. The fact was that women didn't have choices, and it was killing them until women had a safe effective and private form of birth control. They would never be free, but nothing ever came of their efforts and their lives pulled them in different directions by the time. Pinkus discovered that synthetic progesterone could be formulated into a pill. It had been years since the women had seen each other Sanger, new Pinkus, was on the verge of something that could change the world, but the project would die without funding funding, the Cormack could easily provide to Sanger. It was clear destiny was calling question was wouldn't McCormick except the charges this his episode to a matter of money. It's fall of nineteen Fifty-two Santa Barbara California. Katherine, dexter. Mccormick has just returned home from her morning, walk. She seventy seven years old now, but she hasn't lost an ounce for epic. Geagea versus the halls ver- Spanish style mansion, making your way towards the study when it made appears carrying the phone. Now there's a call for you. Take a message, please. I need to reflect in my journal. She says her name is Margaret Sanger, Henry that phone immediately. Margaret has been far too long since I've heard your voice. Well, how do you one better? I'm at it for China next week and leaving out of Los Angeles. I'd love to see you want. If I drive up, I have no requires face to fix your visit will be the highlight of my week. I can't wait. And now you've got me on pins and needles. Wondering about what you've been up to. A week later. Mccormick paces impatiently in the garden patience has never been one of her virtues. It's one thing she hasn't common with their dear friend Margaret Sanger who's about to arrive. She hears the rumble of the car and charges out to greet for old partner in crime, Sanger struggles to get out of the car. Could it be any harder to get out of these contraptions? We've both got an old and creaky. I'm afraid but it's nothing little sliced mango can't cure coincide. I want to hear everything. I'll skip the mango and cut straight to the gym and tonic. Thank you very much McCormack lead, singer inside massive estate through the foyer and lobby past walls, lined with photographs and paintings of McCormack's family, a family that could be traced all the way back to the Mayflower over gin and tonics in the sitting room Sanger brings her friend up to speed. There's been exciting new developments in their lifelong quest for the. Pill. A scientist, named Dr Gregory Pincus said it could be done. He's already proved that a formula might work and the success he's had with testing on rabbits and rats. It's real concrete progress the first they've ever had. I even brought you the latest report. It's all gobbledygook to me, but I figured you would understand it. Mccormick grabs. Her glasses begin scanning through the documents makes sense. Progesterone it stops ovulation, how ingenious elegant letting nature provide the solution, and we just need our little pill to help nature long. Well, I think because his onto something if this can be vetted, and then get through the human trials. It would be a victory for women everywhere. We're not there yet not by a long shot. And I don't have to tell you what kind of controversy will undoubtedly face in the process. A lot of people will want us to fail. Then I suppose we simply won't let them McCormack. Could make a promise like that. She had spent most of her life, standing up to people who told her things couldn't be done. She was very, very good at overcoming obstacles to McCormick the word no was just a starting point to begin negotiations. There was never a doubt in Katherine, Dexter McCormack's, mind that she was going to do something important with her life. She came from a wealthy background and could have easily lived a privileged existence with little responsibility. But Catherine had an active brilliant mind. And she was stubborn as hell. So she chose a different way to use her family's fortune. She pushed herself and took risks that were generally considered off limits to most women at the time Catherine had fallen in love with science. So she decided to go to college and committed herself to the study of biology. And nothing was going to stop her in eighteen ninety nine Catherine set her sights on the Massachusetts Institute of technology, but the college board made it difficult for women to enroll giving them additional requirements, and classes to take before even entering his freshman, as a result, only one woman had ever graduated from the university, but Katherine wouldn't. Be deterred. She met all their demands and aced, the entrance exams when she finally arrived on campus in nineteen. Oh, two Catherine was constantly reminded that she was not welcome male students and professors either ignored her found ways to single her out because of her gender. One case in point. Catherine was dismissed from biology class over what became known as the hat incident in the crowded lab of the Henry l Pierce building. Catherine sat alone writing in a purple colored notebooks. She was perfectly aware that the men in class where they discussed experiments and shared notes, but you didn't mind she was busy, sketching out the research. She wanted to do on the hearts of lizards the chatter instantly died as a professor entered the room before he began the lecture is, is settled on county. Miss Dexter yesterday. Sorry, I was I was checking my notes miss, Dexter. Would you mind? The whole class was staring. I'm not clear. What I'm minding sir he pointed to his head some of the boys snickered your hat your to wear a hat in class at all times. It is required of any woman. We've allowed at this university. We've had this very conversation more than one time. As I've explained it seems prudent for safety concerns to not have a large flammable object on one's head while conducting sensitive experiments. Miss dexter. Do you have a hat today? She reached under her chair and held up a hat. It was wide-brimmed feathered and cumbersome kindly put it on. So we may continue for all our six I respectfully, declined because it makes no sense. You'll stop your impertinence at once and wear the hat. No, sir. I shall not then, please excuse yourself. Catherine left there wasn't about given. She appealed to the deem and convinced him. It was unnecessary amd dangerous to wear hats in the laboratory, she went on to become the second woman ever to graduate from MIT with a degree in science. In nineteen o five her degree in hand. Catherine met a lawyer named Stanley McCormick. He was the son of Cyrus McCormick inventor of the mechanical farming reaper and a multi-millionaire Stanley swept her off for feet and proposed Catherine accepted. But she wasn't about to become a traditional housewife. She'd fought too hard for her degree to leave it all behind for marriage and family. She fully intended to marry and then go to medical school. But the fairytale romance turned into ghoulish nightmare within months. Her husband was diagnosed with severe schizophrenia and confined to a private care and its own gilded prison. A mansion in montecito California because of his increasingly violent nature, doctors, barred her from the property. So McCormack was rarely able to see him. She was devastated, but she also had something other wives didn't aside. Science degree from MIT, if she couldn't comfort her husband, she could try to use her knowledge to help them. Get better Stanley had family members who are also ill. Comex biology training made her wonder if there was a link. It was a bold idea and few accepted it in the early nineteen hundreds, no one really understood the causes mental illness, it was common to think that the insane were possessed by the devil experts in the field. Rebuffed McCormack at every step, but she fought them figuring out what could have caused Stanley's condition became her personal mission. But even with the science research, taking up much time she longed for something else McCormack was never going to be interested in hosting tea party bridge games in one thousand nine she found her social cause in the women's suffrage movement. She became a full bore activist. She first met Sanger at a women's rally back in nineteen seventeen. They were kindred spirits from the beginning Sanger told McCormack about her idea for contraceptive pill form that could change everything for women. And McCormick shared her passion. They became a daring team Sanger was the instigator and McCormick. The take charge organizer provided financial, backing they staged conferences, open more clinics published newsletters, when they hit roadblocks that came up with creative solutions, like smuggling illegal diaphragms. By nineteen fifty two when the two old friends sat down to meet and Santa Barbara. They had spent almost five decades fighting together by then McCormack's husband had died and Sanger is fragile health after suffering a heart attack. They should be resting on their laurels. But they both know they can't not with the chance of the magic pill. Finally within reach they may have looked like two old ladies having an afternoon tea, but they were still revolutionaries and this was their final battle the one they've been waiting for their entire lives. They could not sip this one out. I know we're close Catherine closer than we've ever been. But just like always it feels like we're out here. All alone, people are unconvinced frightened. You mean. Some things never change. I need you. You got it in you. I'm not dead yet. As long as I have a pulse. I have it in me. Now what about the funded? Well, that's the other huge reason here is the Bank of Catherine still open for business. Mccormick's miles. I was waiting for you to ask. It's three AM in Massachusetts. Gregory Pincus wakes with a start. You would would've cursed, but he didn't want to wake up his wife. He quickly grabs the phone. Margaret. I'm in Shanghai. I'm sorry. I, I would have called sooner, but I had to catch my flight, but I have news. It better be good news. I would say Pinkus wipes the sleep from his eyes he perks up. Tell me, Catherine will commit all that's excellent. I can't tell you how relieved I am hang on hang on. There's a there's a caveat. She's still in pro big with her husband's estate stats resolved. She'll be able to give us money state determinations. They can take months. Yeah. I, I know the important thing is that it's gonna come through. We just have to keep moving forward and, and have faith. My dear MRs Sanger faith is about all we have right now. Must move to human testing. We can't wait. I realized that it's just without the funds. It makes things more difficult. Just remember this, Dr Pinkus, if there's no project, it won't matter. How big a check, she writes good night. Pinkas hangs up lights a cigarette and thinks he's going to have to find some way to get the human trials started right away. Putting aside the lack of money. There is no public support for what they're attempting, and they were going to need women hundreds of who would agree to be test subjects women who would agree to take a drug that yes, was still illegal in half the country. It was going to be one hell of a science experiment. Looking for a new job is stressful? Even under the best of circumstances. 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Dr Gregory Pincus sits alone, guzzling coffee and chewing over the gravity of the task ahead. Everything is on the line. His project is foundation is place in history. All of it hinges on the successful launch of these human trials money or no money. He's got to make it work. He takes another big gulp of coffee and signals to waitress admitted top you up. Or maybe I should cut you off it. Is your fourth Cup? I can handle it. She rolls her eyes as she pours. Pinkas doesn't even notice his mind is already back on the project. There are so many obstacles the most obvious how in the world are they going to find human subjects willing to volunteer for the tests? They couldn't just put an ad in the Boston Globe, wanted females for legal science experiments. In most cases, birth control wasn't just a legal. It was scarcely even talked about, except between doctors and their patients, which gave Pinkas an idea if he could find the right doctor with an established practice perhaps, he could enlist his own patients as volunteers, of course, not every doctor would be willing to turn his own patients into Guinea, pigs not to mention breaking the law. So Sanger gave Pinkus, a list of sympathetic obstetricians. It made sense to go with a doctor who was already a birth control advocate, Pinkus, thought they needed to go even further. It was Sanger who had told them to have faith. That's what he went to find a doctor a faith, and he found one in John rock, Pinkus, here's a strong, but soothing voice greeting the hostess and looks up to find rock walking awards. It's easy to see why you so adored by his patients. He's silver-haired. Fatherly handsome, even his name, implies trust stability, pink, a stands up and extends a hand John. Please sit let me buy lunch. If you're here to bribe me, then I'll take it. The brisket is decent. Thanks. But I'll stick to the breakfast, special eggs over easy. Gotta keep things on topic. The well-done biggest and quite appropriate. I'll stick with brisket. Brock was possibly the most respected doctor in Boston. He was an expert in fertility, and one of the only doctors in the country, who had actually worked with gesture on the to admit years ago. So. So Pinkus knows that rock is an ally, a firm believer in family, planning and birth control. And most importantly, he's also a devout Catholic. If Pinkas can convince a respected Catholic doctor to join the team. It might give them the clout. They need to win over some of their biggest opponents the deeply religious rock ED's cream to his coffee and takes a sip. That's good. So you told me what you were up to. And I got to say the idea of delivering birth control pill is brilliant. It's been Margaret Sanger's idea for three decades. But now we have the science toback it up, which is why it's so urgent to keep them going. Pinkus, lays it all out for rock, if rock will agree to sign up his patients for the study that can move the research into the next phase of human trials. You've got all the funding World War cannot think is doesn't dare reveal cards he'll cross his fingers behind his back and hope for the best. But Pinkus, are you sure we can find a way to make this legal absolutely over scientists were testing a drug that can impact women's lives for the better drug that impacts fertility. A just 'cause I know you agree. I can hardly think of something more important, the ability of women to have a choice as to win. And how they want to raise a family saying. Revolutionary is, is not hyperbole you've aligned that notion with your beliefs hits the process, Dr Pinkus, even you must know that God always leaves room for doubt. The Vatican was a notorious critic of family planning even in the quickly. Modernizing postwar world, the doctrine at the time did not allow any wiggle room sex was for procreation only to use birth control was to interfere with God's plan. And that was a mortal sin and grounds for excommunication married, Catholics were counselled to only use the rhythm method or just stained from sex Margaret Sanger over the years had received letters from hundreds of Catholic women who begged for better more effective contraceptive, but they were battling restrictions, religion and politics. Pincus was aware that taking the project to human testing would face next to impossible odds, especially in Boston a mostly Catholic city for. They hope to sign up the first volunteers, but he felt those odds improved with John rock. Brock was already doing the work in his private practice. He seemed to be able to walk the fine line between two very opposing views without stirring, up controversy a man like that could be a valuable advocate. What do you say? John can I count on you? I need to comb through your research more. What's mine is yours rock, smiles. Why not? I've always said, religion, makes a very poor. Scientist, welcome to the revolution. Dr rock. Partnering with John rock was a massive boost to the project, but there was still the matter of funding, even with rock on board. There was no quick fix to their money. Woes. It's June eight nineteen Fifty-three at the Worcester foundation. Gregory Pincus sweating profusely, as he readjusts his time in the bathroom mirror. It's just before noon, and the temperature outside is well into the seventies, and climbing Pincus has been feeling the heat for months, getting rock on board has helped they are starting to sign up patients, but he feels like the captain of a leaky boat, plugging leaks, only to have another one appear. He's been keeping this project alive by borrowing money from the foundations other projects, basically, stealing from Peter, to pay Paul earlier this morning, Pinkus, talked over the plan with rock for getting patient. Urine samples from the doctor's office with no money for pickup, and delivery of the urine. It will probably be Pinkus, driving to meet rocks assistant in the middle. They'll have to unload, the urine samples from one car and put them in the other, it's the best I can do without a real budget. But today, Pinkas hopes things are going to change. Change. He is finally going to meet, Catherine McCormack. And if everything goes, according to plan, he'll have a huge check in his hands before sundown is just had to make sure there were no stumbling box. Nothing that could change her mind. So he's pulled out all the stops. Now he's ready to impress McCormack outside in the lobby. He greets the new receptionist a practice round. Good morning, Jennifer. Good morning mister doctor, Dr sorry. Good morning, Dr. It's clear. She doesn't know his name and why should she a temporary receptionist specifically for McCormack's visit, they had to appear like they were running a professional research facility. It's, it's Dr Pinkus, Dr Pinkus, I swore. I saw a rat up here. Should I should I be worried? It goes with the territory around here, it, it's fine. He didn't often devote foundation funds to extra personnel or sprucing up the place. But this too damn important. He had a crew in over the weekend to give the house and grounds. A good cleaning even the sun porch library had been reorganized. So what if they couldn't quite bleach out the stench of rats and rabbits, not to mention the clinging, musty smell of New England mildew that crept into the old brick colonial building? Let me know when our visitor it's, it's crucially important that be notified. She'll be a septuagenarian. He can see. She has no idea what he's talking about. And elderly woman, I'll be downstairs with Dr Chang. He's going to have to pry Chang out of the basement, the scientist, hated interacting with visitors. Unless it was absolutely necessary, but before Pinkus can take another step the front doors. Swing open in walks Katherine, Dexter. Mccormick she's a good two inches taller than Pinkus and his batch in intensity McCormack, welcome. I acquainted with your theories on on mental illness in relation to hormones. It's finally been born out. I'm just sorry. My field has been so slow to come around scientists sometimes let their egos takeover, Pincus, had followed mccormick's work for years. She was focused on supporting research, on a hormonal link to mental illness hormones was his field of expertise. And unlike most scientists, he thought her early bold conclusions head merit. Thank you, Dr I've been fighting men's prejudice. My whole life. Which frankly is why were here. It's damn time we got a pill. Mate, your reports are extremely promising. You've got my attention. I would like to show you more. I think you'll share my confidence with the results so far. The elderly Spitfire cuts them off. I've seen enough facts and figures for now. Thank you, instead, I want to begin with a tour of your laps, then I would like to review the resumes of your scientists, particularly Dr Chang. In fact, I need to speak with him directly Chang, will be thrilled to hear that. I also ish to discuss a theoretical timetable, if we agree to proceed with the project and Dr Pinkus, I will be reviewing all your data and making sure there will be no delays time is of the essence Pincus has had his practically spinning. An hour later McCormack and Pinkus are in the basement with Chang. They've been discussing the project in detail even Chang is wide eyed at the level of McCormack's knowledge. Gertrude Pinkus, I trust, you can forgive my getting so straight to the point it is my opinion that only someone who understands the science as you. Well understand how close we are to a breakthrough. Tell me it's true. You're, you're moving to human subjects. It's in place. We we're about to start recruiting volunteers. I'm pleased about that. But I do have one last question Pinkus is almost there. They've gone over everything. What more could this brilliant, wealthy woman want? Of course, I want to know how you feel about contraception, not just birth control, generally, but how it particularly affects women. It was a question. He can answer without any notes. I'm glad you asked whatever Pinkus. Says that day is exactly what McCormack wants to year when she writes out, a check for five figures Pinkus comes close to fainting. Catherine McCormack commits more than money to the birth control project. She commits time and vast intellect. She will be involved every step of the way as a fellow research. In fact, she's temporarily moves east just to closely monitor the progress biggest doesn't care if she camps out on his doorstep, he finally has a project that's properly funded and goes to work giddy. Bonanza badly needed cash there now about to enter the first big phase of the project testing the progesterone formula on human subjects. If the results don't line up with their expectations. He'll be back to square one Pinkus, tries not to let himself think that far ahead after all he still hasn't enrolled, a single human subject. In the study. When you use them every day is a little better soom video communications with the web's. Best reviewed videoconference service is used by millions to meet one on one or even with hundreds of people at the same time zoom. 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But the free women's hospital across from him a young married couple stares at a small medical tray with several white progesterone pills on the wall behind them is a large crucifix. Rock is about to recruit, one of the first women to the birth control study. But he has to couch, the language carefully. We're doing tests that will stop ovulation for a certain amount of time to see if we can trick your system into remembering how to get pregnant. I I'm not sure doctor it seems. It seems very experimental. But I can assure you it safe. I've tested it on myself. This is true. Rock had injected himself with the process to make sure there would be no harmful reactions and other women have signed up. It's a very important study. We need as many people as we can get. I just don't know this is entirely volunteer. Please don't feel obligated. I wouldn't give you something that's dangerous. I can't believe of little pill that size could have any effect at all. That is one way to look at it. Well, I if it will help me figure out why I can't get pregnant. I guess it's worth a Sean. Here's what things got tricky Rockin, Pinkus, couldn't legally say they were testing a birth control pill, so the term birth control, never came up with the test subjects. Instead, it was explained under the guise of fertility research, it was Pinkus solution for sidestepping. Massachusetts rigid anti-birth control laws rock was always a prudent and cautious doctor. It's scoured all of Pinkus, research, and read enough to be convinced. It was worth the risk. Pinkus and rock. I met in the nineteen thirties when they were both at Harvard, both for driven and Brian. But we're Pincus worked outside the margins. Rock stayed comfortably within the system as a doctor, he started to focus on fertility issues. He saw many women wanted to have children and couldn't he wanted to help like Pinkus, this led him to research hormones in nineteen forty four. He oversaw study that conducted the first successful in vitro fertilization of human ova. It made news, but unlike Pinkus rock wasn't self promoter. You never pushed his discovery saying they were years away from offering it to the population at large by downplaying the work rock kept his reputation as a level headed trust Dr intact, but he also had a different kind of status in his community. It was an active member of the church and a devout Catholic who attended daily mass. It wasn't as easy for the press to turn them into a mad scientist, the low profile allowed rock a certain freedom developed a reputation as the person to see if you couldn't get it also opened his eyes to the same things that Sanger McCormack witnessed for every woman who came to desperate to have a baby. There were many more who were desperate not to and profoundly changed his beliefs about family, planning women. He thought should have the right to choose when to have a child. It's why he was the perfect choice for this controversial project. By the end of nineteen Fifty-three, Pinkus, and rock had signed up more than sixty volunteers, but it turns out signing up the subjects was a lot easier than keeping them in the trials. The volunteers were required to submit to a battery of tests, including regular urine samples and Pap smears many women withdrew simply because they found the demands on their time inconvenient and intrusive, others dropped out after suffering disturbing side effects like nausea, headaches and stomach pain. But that wasn't the worst news downstairs in the Worcester. Foundations lab Shang swirls of beaker filled with urine Pinkus is making his familiar, rounds and checks, in what have you got for me? Jiang, I've only had to feel four calls from this McCormack today. She's like a nervous father, whose wife is about to deliver Chang, shrugs. That's an interesting analogy you bring up. Why don't you tell her? It's a boy, or girl step one or the other. For a moment. Pinkus doesn't register what Chang saying then it dawns on him. You must be joking. I wish I was it makes no sense. The results mean that the volunteers are getting pregnant or relating. It means the progesterone isn't doing its job, essentially the tests. They had done on animals were not translating to humans. It is a huge blow, and Pinkus, stock when they tally, the final results the numbers tell the tale the failure some fifteen percent of the women had oscillated using the pill compared to the ten percent Pincus at seen in the early stages of animal testing. They were expecting an even higher rate of success in the human trials. This was unacceptable, and it strangely didn't matter, whether they were on a large or small dose of gesture of it was a stunning defeat for the team. Suddenly the magic pill had lost all its magic. It was no time for humor. But. Knows if he has any hope of making it work. He was going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat. On the next episode. American innovations, Gregory Pincus must figure out why the first human trials for the birth control pill failed and fix the problem chance vacation to a tropical paradise gives him an idea that could solve all their problems, but it would turn into one of the most controversial studies in the history of modern medicine. I hope you enjoyed this episode of American innovations. If you did, please give us a five star review and tell your friends to subscribe, where available on apple podcasts. Stitcher NPR one and every major listening at as well as wondering dot com. If you're listening at a smartphone tap or swipe over the cover art of this podcast. You'll find the episode notes, including some details, you might have missed you'll also find some offers from our sponsors, please support our show by supporting that. And thank you. American innovations hosted by me. 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Donkey Of The Day: Tennessee Women Tried To Use $1 Million Bill At Dollar Store
"From ksl and amazon music the true crime podcast cold season two begins late on an april evening in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. Joyce ios headed home from a night out in her big also convertible. She didn't notice the little red mazda that followed in the rear view. That night was joyce's first. Horrific encounter with douglas anderson level. And it wouldn't be her. Last joyce's story is tragic tale of a woman who survived being kidnapped and sexually assaulted only to go missing shortly. After she pressed charges against level joyce's attacker. Doug level hired hit men to prevent her from testifying when they didn't succeed doug level killjoys himself. Her body has never been found for years. Investigators lack the evidence to charge level. For joyce's disappearance listened to cold season two and other popular true crime. Podcast like spy. Affair atlanta monster missing in alaska and paper goes on amazon music. The breakfast club bitch. Who's donkey the day-to-day dominated. Day for friday april sixteenth. Goes the a tennessee. Woman named amanda mccormick. Okay now amanda palmer was with a woman named linda johnson. Who was a relative. And i know you're asking. Who are these young ladies. Well they are two women who i guess. We're trying to close the wealth gap by any means necessary. Fun fact. Did you know that. The wealth gap in america. Today is over twice what it was in ancient rome. Okay to top. One percent of the richest america. Top one percent of rich americans control almost forty percent of all wealth in ancient rome. The top one percent controlled only sixteen percent of the country's total wealth. I'm using that example because that wealth gap one of the contributing factors the wrong falling and it will be one of the contributing factors the america falling. If this country doesn't correct it's cost now some would say america has already fallen. I don't think we've completely fell yet. But america has fallen off. Okay several reasons for that but in light of this story. Let's just talk about the fact that american debt will eventually ultimately destroy the economy. Just like you did and you guessed it ancient rome. America thinks it can just print money when it wants well They can print money when they want printing money. Whenever you want does not save economies. No no no said. Destiny's children see the roman emperor nero devalued roman coins by using less civil which allowed him to create more roman coins but he said a terrible example because roman emperors that came after him did the very same thing and over time inflation road around rome and that currency became worthless. Okay sound familiar america. Well it should okay. We on the path to russia bucks for everybody dollars you have in your pocket right now with all those old white slave owners on them in the future will be looked at the same way. Those strippers and sapphire script club looked at those russia books. Now we went to ancient when we went to ancient rome. We went to las vegas only to find out way back. Tennessee with amanda mccormick and lending johnson see. I was reading this article in the new york daily news this morning and they reported on this story which came courtesy of a smoking gun. Gami thinking about all this stuff so let me tell you the story number one. The wealth gap in america is so bad that amanda mccormick received a letter from a church. They didn't provide any additional information. You know what the name of the church was there anything but she received a letter from the church inside. That letter was a million dollar bill de here. What your uncle shala just said. Amanda mccormick received a letter from a church with a one million dollar bill in one million dollars. Now think about it. I'm amanda mccormick. I've been praying to god for financial blessing because the wealth gap in america's kicking my ass receive a letter from a church with a one million dollar bill. In how am i supposed to know is fake even feel as fake this country prince money whenever however wants to all i see is numbers on tv two trillion hair one point nine trillion people getting millions of dollars for something called nf tease which is just pictures of feet is just money being taught to run all over the place. Why wouldn't i think this million dollar. Bill israel never mind the fact that dolly parton is on it. Maybe it was miley cyrus or some other famous white women from tennessee doesn't matter moral of the story is desperate times. Make people believe what they want to believe and she believed this million dollar. Bill was real simply because she wanted to now. Amanda mccormick did any woman in tennessee. Who just got a million dollar bill would do. She picked up a relative which was a linda and went to the high end. Luxury brand stores known as dollar general dropping clues bond for dollar general okay when she proceeded to load her shopping cart. Full is several gift cards various businesses. And she said she was gonna use the money to purchase items for care packages for homeless individuals. She went to the counter with a shopping cart for all this stuff in handed to cash it. A million dollar bill which might have had pat some on it okay. Who in tennessee is going to turn down a million dollar bill with the legendary one of the greatest coaches of all time pat. Summitt on it. Okay goblet today. I'm making all this up. I don't know pat. Summitt was on tonight but i do know. The cashier called the police for suspicious incident. You think and. That's when amanda explained she was sent this million dollar bill from the church bla-bla-bla incident was classified by the sheriff's office as fraud by false pretenses but amanda inland. Linda were not arrested instead they were hit with what i think is a way more severe punishment for a woman in tennessee. And that is. They were issued a verbal no trespass warning prohibiting them from returning to the dollar general store that might be worth in jail for a woman in a certain tax bracket tennessee. Now know you're asking because the smoking gun asked the same questions. Why did amanda mccormick think of church would give a million bucks because the bible is full of miracles. That if i tried to tell you happen to me now you would. You would say to me. Excuse me mr please. Do you spell your first name nigga with a heart e. r. r. g. So if she was a praying for blessing and that came in the mail. The question should be why not. Why not. okay. Why should she not believed. The church sent this money. Well uncle charlotte. maybe because the united states doesn't produce one million dollar bills not six. We print money whenever we want to with all these trillions going around there has to be one million dollar bills because it makes it easier to county trillions. Okay amanda okay. Well here's the important question. In fact the most important question you thought the church really since you a million dollars you thought. America actually prints out million dollar bills but a man. Did you think that the dollar general dollar general. The one dollar general would have changed for a million dollar bill on. I rest my case. Please give amanda mccormick Sweet sounds into hamilton's you re ooh what what you won't play again. Oh god okay all right if you really want as well. I guess we'll play a game. Guess what raise all right. Amanda mccormick from tennessee. Got a million dollar bill from a church in the mail decided to go to dollar general a ball out. Dj envy guess. What racers i'm gonna with white explain. Why mccormick last name. In the fact that they didn't get arrested makes me feel Okay okay okay. I can see why you would say that Angeliki amanda mccormick. Tennessee received a million dollar bill in the mail from the church decided to go to general ball out. Guess what rice says. I'm gonna caucasian. Because i would have went to louis. Betim just like a nigga g both. You're absolutely positively correct manase heavy in donkey of the day this morning. Amanda mccormick was indeed a white through much. Got their man ain't Right online at louis vuitton with that million dollar bill definitely been luggage. The not getting arrested with the biggest absolutely all right. Well thank you for the ready to wear. Because i can never for their ready to wear louis. Vuitton is too expensive. But with a million dollars. That right to jail your doggy. Dial pound two fifty on yourself and say the bull. 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The Immortal Howard Hughes
"It's Thursday, June twenty-seventh often controllers. I'm Chris joining me studio from funds. Bill Barker, happy Thursday. Thank you for being here. Thanks for having that we've got some earnings. We've got one of the biggest movers in terms of stock appreciation. Today is a company that I don't believe we have ever talked about in real history of this five, and we will get to that. But we're gonna start with Rite Aid because. The first quarter loss for Rite Aid was worse than expected. They still don't have a CEO. So if you're looking for a job that something maybe to consider. Why in the name of anything are shares of Rite Aid up today, because I can't see a valid reason why this stock is up could be the announcement from Amazon that you can pick stuff up at the Rite Aid counter that will give you a reason to go to Rite Aid whereas before you did not have one or at least that was what the, the numbers seem to show Rite Aid, getting smaller and smaller as time goes by, and people not buying more. So the same store. Sales were basically flat. You could say that they were up three tenths of a percent, or up percent, something like that different ways to break them out, but essentially flat. This is a company that now has a market cap of four hundred million dollars is someone just going to buy them and put them out of their misery. Because it it's. It's hard for me to see how Rite Aid is a standalone public company in two years with the likes of Walgreens and CVS out there. I haven't studied exactly what's left here. Of course, there were a couple of attempts to sell the company and they were successful in selling chunks of the company off, and there's a little bit left and I don't know exactly how that is, you know, where it is. Geographically yeah. I mean, there's, there's some sort of value here, there's some sort of customer information and locations and is sooner or later, somebody will put them out of their misery. I think that's that's a fair way of looking at it. But they're still, you know, sell twenty twenty two million a year in revenue twenty two million that, sorry billion probably billion. Okay. And that's that's down peaked around twenty six several years ago. And as, as they've gotten rid of locations, and, and all they've shed shed revenue and what revenue they have isn't profitable. So I the sooner the better, I think that somebody else comes in and figures out exactly what there is to do with the, the remainder of this, isn't that probably what we're going to learn when they finally do higher CEO, I may because presumably the next EEO is either going to come in and on day, one talk about how they've got plans to reinvigorate the brand and turn this business around, or it's going to be someone that when we look at their resume we'll think to ourselves. Oh, this CEO has been hired to sell this company. I think it depends on what the board wants they're going to hire somebody who's vision fits with the direction of the board. And this is a company that has largely lost money, and most years over the past dozen, or so there were, there were a few profitable years going. If you go three to seven years ago or so, they were making some profits and since then not. So is there a new vision for this that can that can compete against CVS against Walgreens in a meaningful way? You attend to think? No, that's, that's a tough tough order. So who can who can sell this off in the most meaningful way, you know, what kind of CEO do you wanna hire for that job? If that is the job. I suppose the those that know the company will is the board should might might understand this to have some earnings power down the road. It doesn't today and I don't know how they get from here to profitability. But, you know that's. Our job. Let's move onto McCormick shares of the spice maker up slightly after a mixed second quarter report. Mccormick the revenue was a little light. And I mean, this was one of those mis by penny kind of revenue MRs, but they raised earnings guidance for the full fiscal year. And I'm assuming that's what's getting the weight here in terms of pushing the stock up a little bit, yet it's up a little bit. Of course, it's a reasonably strong day for the market. So why not you know, spend a little bit more for the stock than you did yesterday? If it's in the stock market. I think that's mostly there. There was basically, you're not giving them any credit. Well, they, they are sitting on top of a lot of credit, which is a pretty rich valuation for a company growing at the pace that McCormick is growing, and which is in a consumer Staples, you know, sect segment. You know the very name staple is gonna tell you. This is people people have this, the McCormick spices already in their cupboards. They'll replace them when they run out, but they're not going to change the way they use spices for the most part, they can continue to take their profitability and acquire the brands that they don't have, which is what has sparked their recent growth is aquisitions. And that's a in an area where they can continue to perform. Well, and when they don't add something new, they're going to grow, you know, two three percent ish. That's that's about where they grew over the last quarter adjusting for currency three percent. They've done a good job as you said, with, with the acquisitions, and it will be interesting to see sort of what's next on horizon. I'm looking at McCormick almost. I mean, the analogy I'm gonna draw here is to the beer industry, because it really does seem like similar to the beer industry, where you have these large conglomerates, and then a lot of smaller, more local or regional craft beer brands. It seems like McCormack might have a nice opportunity to do those same type of acquisitions in terms of, like, oh, we're going to pick up the spice brand that's big in the southeast or southwest or wherever, and then just sort of. Bring them into their network. Yeah. They've been doing some of that, and that is an opportunity. The Franks acquisition, the French acquisitions and look for more that, if it's company that acts in the future, like in his act in the past, which is to grow, and which is, what is also driving. The valuation of the company, people are expecting that this thing is going to grow at an impressive rate based on the p multiple here. It's it's a good company. But it's gotta have some plan that the organic growth isn't really going to drive ERI much. Now they missed a little bit of this quarter on, on the top line. And do you know why is it hard? Is it a calendar thing? It is counter thing. Okay. The, the grilling season started late this year. It did. Yeah. Doesn't it always starting supporting to the press? Release. Oh, wait a minute. Now, I'm intrigued what I always assumed grilling season starts officially. Memorial Day weekend. No, it starts after Easter. Okay, which was late this year. So, you know, years where Easter comes early. You're allowed to grill. You're not allowed to grill until after Easter is that it's in the bible, and somewhere in the it's not maybe not the version, you have. But apparently, according to the press release a slowdown spices and seasonings category, driven by late Easter, which delayed the beginning of grilling season. So there you are. You know, that's okay. That's fine. This up for you. Let's see this. I'm I'm just saying, that's you know, that's fine. If they want to do that. But now, now armed with this information. I'm already looking forward to, you know, the next year that Easter comes early because. I don't know is does McCormack have a history of saying. Well, look we'd love to take credit for the great quarter, we just put up but really it just has to do with the fact that we had an early eastern, then therefore, of course, it was an early grilling sees. No, it would be really cool, if they didn't even point assets, as you know, the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox came early this year. Nuff said there. Yeah. What do you grill on, on Easter of what's typically you as an American, you most girl on Easter, or right after typically what's on? My grill is just sort of the basics, you know, some sort of some combination of beef chicken sausage fish occasionally shrimp. You know what I've never grilled then that's that's on my to do list for the summer his ribs. I need to do some ribs. I want. That's are you qualified as qualified bar. That's a high by I don't know that I'm qualified. I mean I feel like that is something that you shouldn't do unless you're. You know, pretty good unless you've done enough grilling. That's, that's the more advanced stuff. I think it and you got to be willing to put in the time to do it, right. Which is unlike, you know, grill, burgers, or something, which is not a big time investment. I agree with all of that. Which is why I'm going to pick a date sometime later this summer and basically say to my family don't bother me all day because I'm cooking ribs. And this may take eight to ten hours. It may not take, as you know as long as that I would reserve eight to ten. To just be like, look, if you want dinner, that's what's involved stuff's going to need to marinate all weekend. And I'm gonna have to watch it. Yeah. Exactly. Don't bother dad quick programming note before we get to the stock the day, next week is going to be short week for us here on market fully. I'm going to be on Cape Cod. So we're, we've got a couple episodes, locked and loaded for Monday and Tuesday. And then it's look it's independence day. We got that coming up so we want we want about grilling speaking of grilling. Exactly. So we want we want folks to take a little time off and, and therefore, we will take a little time off. But we will be back the following week July eighth and ninth something special macrey air coming to you live from Colorado was market. Foolery. Wow market fully on the road in Colorado, July eight and nine. So, so just please make note of that. Again, we've been doing this podcast since January of twenty eleven and I don't believe we have ever once talked about Howard Hughes Corp and yet we are today, because shares of Howard Hughes Corp or up more than thirty percent on reports that the company has hired bankers to explore strategic alternatives. This is not a Rite Aid situation where it's four hundred million dollars. This is a five billion dollar company. And we'll get to Howard Hughes the business icon in a moment. But the underlying business here is what real estate because shoes made his money in the twentieth century on a number of things. But real estate was definitely one of them. Yeah, it is a credit to Jeremy Myers who's been banging the table for this in, in our little world. Molly full asset management. So it's a real estate company with spread around a lot of different areas of the country, and in some different projects. And the finances are different than a real estate investment trust, which it is not. And so it's a it's a company, which is not a retail and I won't go into the details of that, because all just expose my ignorance of exactly what's going on. Except to say that it doesn't really. Pay the kind of dividend that investors typical investors in real estate expect, and so the finances are a little bit more complicated. They, you know, takes many years to realize the value of, of some of their properties and the market has been somewhere between yawning about that, and just turning, you know, heading for the exits, and that has sort of culminated in their exploration of, you know, what are the what are the other ways where can we be owned where somebody appreciates the value of this company? I'm assuming that they're going to have buyers because I don't I don't see the stock popping like this unless there is an expectation that there are enough assets at Howard Hughes Corp that someone's gonna wanna step in and buy them, whether that a single buyer or it gets divided in some way possible. The notice that you are exploring strategic alternatives does not always translate into the sale of the company. It could be hey, you know which of these properties. Can we spin off in a way that makes the remaining part look more like what people want to see some thirty seven percent right now on the other hand, it's kind of halfway little bit more than halfway in between the low of the year, which was basically going into today and high. So anytime stock is pretty close to the middle of its fifty two week, low and high tend to think, well, this kind of boring, you know, whatever it could be where the little more could be worth a little less. Not, not real most stocks, or, you know, trading not everything is hitting new highs all the time. And, you know, now it's back to sort of the middle range where it's traded at different point. So maybe just a notification that hey. We're looking at ways to unlock value will make the market sit up and take notice. It's a well respected stock by analysts that cover it many of whom have higher price targets or fair value estimates than where the stock. You know it's up thirty seven percent today, but it's still not up to a lot of analysts price targets. If the stock itself, or the underlying business, it self is, boring, Howard Hughes. The man definitely not boring. No. For those unfamiliar Howard Hughes. Business econo- the twentieth century a billionaire investor. Big in real estate film production, aviation and the not just the producer of films. But also the subject of films as well. And probably the, the best known of those is the, the, the relatively recent film, where Leo DiCaprio played him aviator and. Cape, Blanchette believe one in a kademi award for playing Kate Hepburn. Yes. One of the many starlets that his path crossed. He he, he was successful in the movie business at least successful in making movies and not many of them were, I think, you know, classics or designed to be classics. They were more designed to introduce him to young actresses think he would have done would not have done. Well, in the me too era is my guess that's probably a safe bet. Yeah. And but he's yes appeared as the subject, not only of the aviation, but Melvin and Howard classic which got a couple of kademi word nominations, many years ago, the amazing Howard Hughes, Tommy Lee Jones, starring Howard Hughes and really timely Jones, played Howard us you can see that. I guess I can't I don't know. Like to me. The two that always pop to mind are Leo DiCaprio is sort of the younger sort of more dashing version, and then in Melvin. And Howard Jason Robards playing Howard Hughes at the end of his life where I mean she is Hughes was an eccentric. He believe had severe OCD and the subject of Melvin, and Howard was that ultimately proved to be a hoax that a man named Melvin Dhamar is that the last I think the lounge right came forward and said. That he had an encounter with Howard Hughes and Howard Hughes, rewrote his will and left everything to him. And that ultimately was proved to be a hoax, but Jason Robards really good in that movie. Yeah. He's got Hugh's. Got quite a legacy. He established. Charity, which is the second largest charity in terms of assets in the country and fifth in the world, at least in terms of disclosed assets, the heart Hughes Medical institute, which is located Chevy Chase Maryland. Yeah. Right. Right nearby. I had no idea. And, and of course, he's the inspiration for Tony stark iron man. Yes. I suppose we're burying the lead here. But yeah, yeah. I you were working toward that. No, I was not. But you had mentioned that earlier today. And I was like, wait. Is he is he really pretty far down on his list of what we were doing was his actual accomplishments, you know, now we're going to like the fictional rights stuff and in for a certain type of person that's what you lead Howard shoes. Never heard of. She was the inspiration for Tony stark really telling me. Yeah. He is the visual and. In lifestyle. Other than I think, Tony stark is supposed to be Howard Hughes, minus the crazy. Although he is an alcoholic twenty stark stark. Now, does that show up in the movies, maybe? No not yet. There's still time. I probably won't the kids don't need to see that it actually in the comic books showed up in the first couple of movies, there were a couple of scenes where, where Tony, Tony cut a little little head a little too much. Yeah. Which terrible problem to have. But not as not as unique, as Howard Hughes's issues, which would be tougher to be a superhero. I think given what Howard Hughes was going through. I think that's. Yeah. I think that's probably safe. I think we're at the end of this upset, Phil Varker. You can read more from him and Jeremy Myers and the rest of the crew at 'em funds. You can go to 'em funds dot com. A guarantee there's like one or two people out there that were thinking, here we go, and they were looking forward to another fifteen minutes on of Howard Hughes off the rail stuff. I'm one or two. I'm not saying more than that. Yeah. For those one or two. Sorry, this absolutely. Everyone else. You're welcome. You're welcome as always people on the program may have interested in the socks, they talk about on the motley fool may have formal recommendation for against don't buy or sell stocks base, only what you're gonna do it for this market fully show is mixed by Austin, Morgan and Chris, thanks for listening. We'll see on Monday.
Your Printer Could Be Harmful To Your Health. Part I of a 2 part Series
"Welcome to another edition of the tech to I'm your host Tyler Meka's Today. Unfortunate. Enough to chat with. Dan McCormick. He's the print supplies partner business manager for HP. Hey Dan. Hey Tyler. Thanks for having me today. Excited to be here. No Problem Dan the current age covert and social distancing seems like air quality monitoring has been a huge focus for S- for so many people and with a number of increased printing from home I was really shocked to hear that some print supplies could actually be hazardous to your health. Could you explain a little bit more about what indoor air? Quality and how h preventing any types of these concerns as well. Yeah. Absolutely. It definitely should be something that's top of mind today's Day and age with a lot of people working from home indoor air quality or I the air quality within around which can affect the occupants within them. Many objects commonly found in workspaces and residences can give off emissions that reduce air quality including wall and floor coverings, aerosols, and light fixtures. Indoor, air quality is typically measured through levels of VOC's or volatile organic compounds VOC's. Include a variety of different chemicals, some of which can have short and long term adverse health effects many household and office products may omit the Oh sees common sources typically include paints, aerosols, cleaners, disinfectants, or even office equipment such as copiers and printers, interesting in-house House HP, trying to navigate some of these concerns. So HP voluntarily designs and tests its systems and to prevent emissions that would exceed ecolabel guidelines. We design and test are printing systems to meet very strict emission criteria including but not limited to blue angel, which is the I A Q or indoor air quality standard to meet the EP certification while ninety six percent of non HP toner cartridges failed those. Tests omitting until one, hundred, ninety, one percent of the overall limited VOC's clearly increasing your risk for those potential adverse health risks. So the benefit of HP is that with original HP supplies, you can help maintain a healthy office at home environment prevent exposure to those elevated levels, VOC's and meet or other ECO label purchasing criteria. Of Very, good Dan thank you so much to learn more about HP principlies and how they could also how you can do your part and in reducing some of these emissions please reach out to your connection account manager today. Thanks Dan thanks tyler.
Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 10/02/19
"Never miss a day of squawk box America's most powerful morning show with the Squawk pod daily podcast. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts and it. CNBC DOT com. My mission is simple to make money. I'm here to level the playing field for all investors. There's always the work at summer and I promised help you find money starts now. K. on Kramer Walkner may have money welcome to mark one like France ms trying to save you some money. My job is not just entertain. Educate teach and put a daily today the context of one eight hundred seventy three. CBC tweet me at Jim Cramer. Okay listen to me. I don't want you to panic. Don't buy by the prevailing year of the things we're looking for the economy then suddenly we've got some very negative data points to change everything and made a recession a whole lot more likely sure that may be the proximate locksmith cause of today's decline. Dow Losing Other Foreign Ninety four points espy plunging one point seven nine percent Nasdaq plummeting one point five six percent but the truth is a lot simpler. We were due for selloff. How do I know because that's what I've been telling you for weeks. On end see a little less than a month ago. I told you about the most important indicator I fall which is the SNP short range oscillators indicator. This is as a tool. I pay a lot of money for the tells you almost with uncanny accuracy. When the more overbought oversold over what many it's due for a pullback over so being she got to start by line when the oscillators above five almost always means? We've come too far too fast and you need to do some selling well when it's well above above five. You need to aggressively raise cash as I told you last month. Slater went to eight and extremely high reading told you do that. We were due for a bruising so I stuck with my discipline. I told you there was too much enthusiasm for the market instead. It was time to raise cash. That's exactly what we did for my Charles. Trust which can fall by joining the action alerts plus. Dot Com club where I said on a conference call. Don't like it at the time. I said to start selling. Even though you know what I had no idea what might go wrong. I didn't know what my D- rail the stock market. I just did it the oscillators almost every wrong wrong. Honestly I didn't want to get more negative. It was more muscle memory from the days. When I was a hedge fund manager working with Karen Kramer my now former wife then known as the Trading Trading Goddess Carrington pretend to know the ways of the Fed or any of the Economic Mambo Jambo a quarter point this point that or even who was in the lead in the presidential primaries but she knew that you need to sell when that Dr Nas later gets really high. I would be adamant that we own stocks companies. We shouldn't be selling. She sue do care if the companies are any good relevant the stock suck word. I can use one near thanks to both Mark Zuckerberg and Senator Elizabeth Martin who used the yesterday and and the president who says something a lot more scatalogical via tweet today Karen. Tell me at times companies were completely divorced from the stocks and Wreath Times like when the oscillators was extremely overbought so my fundamental analysis meant absolutely nothing to her and it had to be blocked now this I wouldn't budge. I'm a rational I went to all sorts of good schools Hustler for heaven's sake. I took economics with John Kenneth Galbraith at Harvard. I learned the hard way we worked for Wall Street and Intersects Water Street one day. She sent me out to get her a hot pretzel and Diet Coke at the Corner Carp. When I came back she'd sold sold almost everything we owned including my precious longer term investments I was living. She said hey if you don't like what I did. Why don't you buy them back but remember the oscillators settled right well. I didn't have the conference to buy them back. Good thing with thing because then the market rolled over big time just like it did over the last couple of days. That was the first time but it wasn't the last sometimes when the US later in temperature outside were red hot. She made me he'll get her a water ice Bam. I returned to the big positions. We're going sometimes when I screwed up she making me wear a post it on my forehead with the symbol of the stock that I'd lost big money one then she'd had me walk all way around the building and when I came back every every trading position was off the sheets we also know guy thought it was absurd that some ridiculous technical tools calling the shots here. I mean that was supposed to be my job but Karen head trader percent splitting that well. It's for the best. You need to be objective. You need to be clinical. You need to check your emotions at the door before you came and sat the trading desk with her. She always had ice water veins. What I go along with all this because the Oslo turn out to be almost never own empirical sure that'd be the rare event where the lead astray but the posted the Pretzel. The water is always trump whatever my homework was telling me stocks had become divorced from the actual companies that were supposed to represent. I accept that and I do now camry advice at the beginning of last month. When the oscillators hit eight she was his unwavering Allah. She was thirty years ago and once again again she was right. We didn't know why the market we get hit but the Oslo predicted pain for example. I had no idea this Ukraine story would break in Democrats would decide to go for impeachment. I didn't know the simplicity measuring decks plunge into recession church where he works releases two thousand nine. I didn't know that she workers would go on strike. Suddenly I didn't know that rail L. Car loadings would plummet. I didn't know that the president would press his bet in the trade war with China Europe as he did tonight after big. WTO Rulli against Europe for unfair unfair trading practices revolving around Airbus tariffs include a twenty five percent hike on French wine. Let them drink cabs. I didn't know that the Peleton and deal with stink to high heaven or that the joint would also get almost torn down by the appeal yeah pulled because of outrageous self-dealing horrendous dead that could've crushed us but the only thing I knew was that the Patriots would be in first place. Thanks to the release schedule. So what do we do now for now. We wait aftermarket becomes overboard. You wait until gets oversold then you pounds but you can pick it certain stocks way down like what the food source cameras say. Everyone has to eat. I got one guy in the food aisles later on coming up in the show these days which think about his Walmart target large grocers. Hey don't forget dollars. You remember that one. It's a nice grocery stuff. It's good prices anywhere the big you can work as long as safe safe yeah you think about the The Dominion. I don't forget it. I mean let's say now. You can't pick it anything. That's hated though if it's going to be hitting going the oils and you can still sell here because we are still not yet. Your mind is five getting there but only if you want to free up to buy something else that's where we are in the equation now as much as I didn't want to go negative when the Ostler hit plus eight. It's even harder to go positive when the markets cascading down everyone's talking about recession. Everybody's scared scared about impeachment oscillator worried Senator Warns GonNa tell you there's a wall streeters. You'd say they do what she does anyway. That's precisely when you have to start to hold older news in begin by no one ever wants to start buying our and things are at their ugliest. It's terrify. Let me give you one more example twenty one years go next week. I was nervous. I was worried I was selling so hard very oversold market much more oversold this by hedge funds down more than one hundred million dollars for the year and that was one hundred million dollars was a lot of money at the time. Karen hadn't been working ages. She stayed home to kids but she came back one day curious to see how the heck. I could lose money but that goes. I knew she wanted to know why I was selling. When the Oslo Guinness huge oversold reading she sat down she took the catalogs always went to catalogs drove me the land's end and then she told me to go get some French fries ketchup by the time I came back. She put hundreds of millions of dollars to work more than we had more than we could borrow. US horrified. She said if I if I wanted to sell everything everything should just put. I didn't the US later in the day. We learned that the Fed was holding emergency meeting. Mark exploded higher when the rest of the year made a big percentage of the money that we lost when the market closed cad the catalogs including the Martha by mail she looked. I'm Martha by mail. She walked out gave away. Nothing more never came back ever book. I don't know when the smartest bottom it's pretty ugly. I know she doesn't like it yet but she still thinks she likes to hear that recession. Talk likes to negatively respond. Twitter feed likes the hatred toward me. Even I ah pretty negative likes the fear still by so many hedge fund managers and commentators really usual rich hedge fund managers come on our trash the morning without revealing they missed out the whole all year they get eighty two games by Goss. Later still isn't down enough for me to turn positive so find some stocks that can work in this environment picket them slowly down that stay patient be optimistic for once and recognize the sun does come out. Let's moral at least the Wall Street. It's supposed to rain teeth teeth in Nebraska Thiessen. Yeah go big red here from Nebraska. My stock is a Mt American Tower Corporation not it's pulled back from two hundred forty dollars on a to twenty believing the CEO Story and it's got growth United States world wide but you're just another victim of the growth rotation and out of it. You know why community this is precisely the kind of stock. You've got to start picking doc ever cheap no stock just come straight up. Yes now that it's coming down to you say ooh that's scary. No you start you start because was five G. which the present by the way referred to today five G. He wasn't finished and that's because they're making Gnocchi over here and I. I think it's good stuff yeah. Don't be a grass of let's go to tent and Kansas Kent Nassar. Jim Thank you for taking my call and first of all I would like to thank you for being a lighthouse of sanity in the cements Red Sea of media insanity. Well you know it is kind of weird time nine but thank you. It's a weird time but it's weird. That's all what's up well. I'm almost sixty five and healthy not dependent on my portfolio portfolio but it would like it to work as hard as I have to to keep it earning money by my holding blackstone symbol Biak's. It's one of my major holding suspend a great. Give it in appreciation a stock up until last week when I see that has been a favourite target shortsellers I believe that Stephen Schwartzman's been impressive chairman and he's decorating inside. He's trying to be very bullish on the economy on these. They're buying up more and more holdings every day like a drunken sailor and it's shot in gray in there. Is She always very smart. Fellow Very Chattel by the way I like to point that out so sportsmen and I think this yields four thank you steph the knee length for telling me about this one twenty points ago and I've tried to be as fouzy mastic is she. Has I still like it. Yielding Forbes comes down. I would buy more. That's what you're supposed to do. I'll paint lows in the do. That is pretty darn ugly but I don't know when when is bottom but I say do some picking not aggressively but at this point if you do any selling you should put it into the other stocks and high. I- slater rarely raw and money tonight another tough drop on the average say are the capital markets losing the principal function on more free. My I take then from salt and pepper more exotic flavours. You can likely find consumer giant McCormick in your kitchen cabinets but his stock the secret ingredient to your portfolio and one ahead started Friday's jobs report. I've got one of the largest payroll players in land. 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HSA's commissions interest charges or other expenses were transactions may still apply see fidelity dot com slash commissions for details fidelity brokerage services his LLC member NYSE SIPC ED stock markets exist for reason though it can be tough to remember when your eyes are glued to the tape. The whole point is that they let you raise money to build the business that business gross the shareholders rewarded capital gross stream dividend stream but what happens if the market can no longer fulfill that function. I think that's actually actually we're seeing right now and it's not good so let me explain until recently you at three kinds of investors yet. Large investors called institutions. You had small institutions and yet individuals. Large institutions both traded known stocks. The Sport Susan's tended to buy stocks generally own them until something might have changed as for individuals Israel's they bought and help. That's what nearly everyone in. The business told you to do by never by an homework by the way now over the years. The Lord's institutions have practically traded themselves into oblivion racking up big fees the produce often returns for their clients hedge funds it meant to perform well and good and bad times have been serious under-performance at least on average. Don't take it from me. Warren Buffett hold these truths to be self evident and he's written about extensively in his annual letters this born solutions that tended over the last twenty twenty years to see a lot of many crashes real crashes scandals adopted a different mantra. It's the stock market's become too dangerous an asset class. So why don't we err on the side of bonds. Why not bonsor safer people on the vaccine made a killer you perhaps the biggest shift has been with individual investors though these days as the conventional wisdom no longer tells you to buy hold stocks instead. You're told it's too hard so you put your money in index funds that's new Gospel and when I say Gospel Ospel I mean it do not get me wrong. I Love Index Funds. If I see on twitter tonight that I blast next funds I'm GonNa come after you with everything I have. I think in Nice Low Cost Index Fund Bureau S. and P. Five hundred is a perfect place for your retirement money but if you have the time inclination to do the homework. I think you're also capable. We'll picking good stops. I don't think you're too dumb to do that. Like most people do still think about the situation. We find ourselves right now. Larson's -Chusetts tripping over their on feet sports tuitions are fleeing from the stock market and the bond market investors have little interest in individual stocks so how the heck are copy supposed to come public in this environment. Where's the cash GONNA come from. Sixty percent of this money in its market is now indexed. That's too much of a good thing. Index Funds Camp Despite NY P S. I'M GONNA repeat. They cannot participate in appeals the only by what's already in there right. It's what's in the index. These are passively badge. That's the whole point. If you invest in five hundred index fund by Uber lift or Peleton smile direct you can't index throw in the fact capital keeps migrating from stocks into bonds. You got a real problem here now. This situation would be fine if we only had a few. Ip -s right every once in a while we had some big ones but lately we've had deal after deal after deal and they're not done many of these of big wanting to the company's insiders and their new shareholders and of cost Barr Papa why so you gotta wonder if everybody's putting their money in index funds or bonds who the heck is left to pick up the slack pun intended without institutions and individual investors picking actual stocks by Chile's okay. It's become much harder for companies to raise capital. Maybe Charles Schwab's latest move to give clients commission. Free Trading will save the stock picking business. I don't know maybe there will be enough good. IPO winners Azuma video pinchers well and yes beyond medium. No it shouldn't be to save the day but honestly here's what I think. I think we're pushing day of reckoning here. We're private companies. Better start recognized that they may be better off steam private unless they are desperate. If investment bankers keep pumping out junk we really dodged a bullet by way with that. Uber Desperado brought to we work. IPO Sutra layer that we no place left to put it judged by the performance of these recent deals if feels like we're almost there there at Matthews Asia we uncover unique companies across Asia prime to benefit from consumer trends trends that broader international funds miss find out what a dedicated allocation to Asia can add to your portfolio at Matthews Asia. Dot Com slash opportunity terrible horrible. No good very bad day. We're sellers of course panicked responses. Some tepid data yesterday was the ugly PM. Today was the sub par payroll report and of course in just general final overall gloom. How do you protect yourself now. I've been warning you to raise. Cash into space should report back so now with the market being hammered. What should you be doing as is it retreats. Here's an idea when we started rolling over yesterday. What was the best performer in the market. Why it was McCormick. The world's is leaving maker of spices and seasonings with the stock that Nash rallied more than ten bucks or six point eight percent even on a hideous day now some of that's because the cub reporter and Okay Quarter in stock and pull back going into the report but there's another component here that we talk about the Cormon Cormack didn't rally in spite of yesterday so off it rally only beat close of yesterday sell off. This is exactly the kind of named at moneymatters loved the pilot to when they're worried about an economic slowdown in other words. McCormick beat the perfect stock for this moment and thanks to today's market wiped meltdown. You can actually see a little bit lower than it was. Yesterday two bucks lower so what exactly happened with the thing yesterday and why do. I think it'd be time time to be big in the stock as it goes down. Okay McCormick has an Uber Longtime Kramer favor you know that they dominate the spice aisle at your socal spoke so more kind of food service business where they supply the same spices and seasonings restaurants plus in two thousand seventeen in a just moment of brilliance they bought what a bunch of brands from reckitt bank keyser like French's mustard francs red hot which is by the way blocked by Moi those who I understand seem to put it on on a lot of different things hey the president I think mentioned it earlier today and a tweet. Hey even if his bid out there people have have to eat right and tell you from my days when I lived in Fort Fairmont one of the few ways to make the same cheap awful food. Taste different is dad spice. Thanks in part to the mustard hot sauce. You always used to buy you go. Buy Chicken livers in a little thing. They're the cheapest thing and you pour stuff one. It tastes different every night. Thanks in part to that mustard hot sauce transaction because spin- terrific long-term outperform stocks one hundred and forty four percent over the past five years roughly triple began the S. and p. five hundred of that scene. I recommend it again and again and again is the ultimate play on the stay at home economy and I love that record ink pen keyser delete. Dan was hated in fact unless game plan. I told you about him. Cornered the head of the quarter which repression call what maybe so confident going to the earnings report simple. The stock had backslid substantially over the previous six weeks and that meant the expectations would be easy to beat. That's what you're looking for you looking for a stock. That's down. I'm big and then combat's. Cj Be- Maureen downgraded McCormack from hold the cell August arguing that stock was fully even McCormick is best of breed the analysts believe that it had run out of upside which brings us to yesterday morning when the company reporter and okay quarter that could easily be described as frankly mixed all right so there wasn't great while McCormick delivered a seventeen percent earnings beat of dollar twenty nine basis. Their sales came in a little weaker than expected. Ah One percent year-on-year on top of that management lowered the fool your sales for kiss even as they raised their full year earnings forecasts now initially Wall Street's reaction was predictably lukewarm in fact shape more channels douay McCormick in August but he out there right. You're just saying hey stock deserves to be offered the today before meeting that it quote the shares can go either way but this is why you have to wait to hear the conference call before you make any decisions during an early season and that call measuring painted a much more bullish this picture than the headlines. Now not only did CEO Lawrence courteous who's really one of my favorites say everything you wanted to hear from chief executive on a day when the averages were tumbling based on worry about a slowing economy. I explain the breath and reach of our portfolio segment geographies channels customers and product offerings well. Let's just say wow balanced portfolio to drive consistency and our performance evolving environment and quote translation. McCormick is classic consumer staple that can keep hitting their forecasts even if economy falls off a cliff now even though the sales came and we can expect that the margins much better than expected hence the terrific earnings per share sure how they do it curses points to quote cost-savings led by our comprehensive continuous improvement program and favorable product. Knicks end quote no awards execution execution execution the SAUCEPAN here was food service division but that was more than offset by strength McCormick's consumer business especially of course here in the United States occurs healthy grilling season was hot to some right which which drove significant growth in grill mates stubb's barbecue McHugh sauce. I like that by the way and Franks hot sauce and yes French's mustard and we debate about French's mustard during the show when we were making debating and I've got take a Lotta people felt that the only thing they really liked about it was clue where you know. I mean Mr Mustard colonel mustard N. in library within. I think it's better than that. I put it on my soft pretzels when I'm in the box of WHO's game and once again record deals is paying off and I can't stress that enough stubs is going faster than the broader barbecue category Franks hot sauce so major distribution gains in record high the household penetration and believe not just because of this okay. This is very personal. They also have frozen chicken wing seizing blends dry recipe mixes candlesticks EXC just kidding. Ha of course the whole anxious portfolio McCormack's will double digit consumption growth. I regard is incredible as for French mustard billy in Predator brawl guy it's taking market share thanks to a courteous described as a focused marketing support. What does that mean the company's trying to get more bang first book for each dollar. They spend on advertising so when Francis created the aptly name French is national national mustard day although by the way the origins hotly contested by the national mustard museum they were getting the social media going courteous campaign earn fifteen times times. We're media value than our actual investment created quite a buzz around muster flavored ice cream bad with over one billion impressions then he continues news quote. We're we're making brand. Marketing investments like this across our entire portfolio and they're feminists was particularly in our third quarter consumption and sales growth in short short. McCormick understands how to advertise products in the new media environment and by the way. Just you know this this Franks. Has this whole on media you. You should look at what they say about this stuff. I mean people just love to talk about it. millennials finally in his summation courteously some of the sector change under powering the story. Listen to this quote. We're aligned with the consumers continued interest in boulder flavors demand for convenience and focus on fresh natural. Did you ever look at the number of ingredients in mustard. There's like nine yeah mustard anyway as well as emerging purchase drivers such as greater transparency around the sourcing and quality food. I've said this before. I'm going to say it again. millennials want convenience. They'll pay for natural goods and transparency about where their food comes comes from me like I said this is so great on Philly soft pretzels and I'm GonNa have two of them this weekend. When the eagles play the jets and it might be the most exciting thing that happens now good conference call can have what impact stock open yesterday morning up one point six percent it finished up six point eight percent in part because madge until such a good story in the conference was cool but while the call was good it wasn't rally ten dollars in a single day good so what else allows. McCormick Explode Higher Simple when the IRS pershing matters. There's reading came out of ten. AM The averages plummet as investors freaked out about a possible recession but McCormack's exactly the kind of defensive safety stock that people love the by economy goes into slow download. Suddenly that big earnings beat matter a heck of a lot more than the small revenues while the quarter had some hair on it beats me that was good. It was good enough for McCormack remain attractive as to safety stock. Don't get me wrong. This thing is less than taste of course just two or three years ago cells now twenty seven times earnings yields puny. He just one point four percent stocks run so much but the bottom line in an incredibly unpredictable market a straightforward consumer staple play like McCormack. It's just what the doctor ordered as long as the market remains choppy. I think this is kind of stock that you buy on the way down. It beats buying candlesticks ex- right in. Where's the candlestick from Colonel Mustard the library and a like an even more after today's pullback. Let's go to Joe in New York Joe. Hello Jim. Thank you for answering my call. I was wondering I bought Chewy. H W a a week ago and in the dropping like a rock. I thought it was getting authorities getting a good price. I was wondering if I should add more or sell it or just hold it. I wanted in your opinion well. Here's the problem with Chewy okay. It doesn't make any money and the markets switched and what happened is once market became possessed with in what is called consistent earnings. What happened is nobody wanted to buy. Two weeks you cocoa puff but you still see a lot of ups espn taking so well just say the man's man is giving me a paper towel in an open market straightforward consumer staple plight right and you know what I think rocks. I think back at your is all right. There's look for me. A buddy had one of the nation's biggest payroll players. One can paychecks paychecks. Tell us about Friday's job report. I'll see you then Charles Schwab helped by her in the golden age low cost. Oh my jd could now kill off the model title help build on focusing on the protesters and all your calls ratified skim now. The recession have made a what say timely come. Friday's non-farm. Payroll report is more important than ever. Unfortunately we got some mixed signals on the Employment Front. Everybody was focused. ADP Payroll report a sub optimal number from the nation's largest payroll processor but you know what this morning we also got results from paychex the second largest payroll processor with substantial human resources outsourcing division vision and we learned about some healthy business formation among small medium sized enterprises paychecks delivered a solid top bottom line. Even their management's raised their full year forecast orcas slightly. That's hell of a stock was able rally one point eight percent and then they hideous tape. Oh by the way is kind of baffled three percents you'll so what are these numbers me. Let's check in with the presidency and CEO of paychecks get a better sense of the quarter and his companies positives fister music. Welcome back to make money. Thanks Jim good to be here. Okay what I'm going to just say this you know I think I think that most of the analysts who cover you who've been negative quite wrong. I'm just going to quote from Wedbush firm but their headline is results better than feared muddy. Forty results weren't good. WHO's fearing is results given the fact that you've been putting up incredible numbers for years now yeah I don't know Jim we had a solid first quarter and and it really carried through from last year you know fifteen percent revenue growth part of that from our waste this acquisition but we had solid revenue growth nine percent operating income growth growth and really felt good particularly about our mid market sales in our repositioning of the company for technology and HR focused so we felt great about it now one of the things that we have well not just our network everybody the papers wherever had been convinced that we're having a serious slowdown and that there's going to be big offs and Recession Marty. I'm looking at your transcript and you talk about job. Growth actually ticking up a bit what's wrong with the end of the world picture well yes September. We released our small business index. These are businesses under fifty employees and it actually ticked up for the first time in a few years so we saw one. Month doesn't make a trend but we certainly saw job growth. Pick up a bit. It's down one percent from last year the job growth level for small businesses but that's because because it's a tight market and it's tight for small businesses to hire and retain folks but right now we're feeling pretty good on the business sediment yeah. When I read your transcript I said to myself oh boy I got a temper the negativity because you represent to many companies further you did a survey of your clients about the trade problems with China. What does that say about twenty. Five percent of our clients are in feel like they'll be impacted by trade and tariffs but three quarters of the clients you know these are businesses pretty much under fifty employees are pretty regional. You know their local businesses their doctor's office restaurants restaurants contractors. They're not impacted by the tariffs those that quarter that is we'll have a little bit tougher time leveraging train changing supplier roots supplier chains and so forth but three quarters of them will not be affected based on our surveys and I put melted the first thing I asked with the second which tells me that there's still good hiree if they can find people despite the trade war there really is Jim. You know we felt the other thing that picked up on our small business. Index was was the wage rate. The wage rate went up to two point eight percent. We've seen it around two and a half to two six that went up. The Hours worked went up so our feeling is that while businesses are a little bit concerned overall about the economy. The demand for their products is still there and they're out trying to hire the biggest challenges hiring people to fill the demand that they have. That's good news news well. It's quite different from the biggest challenge being there to fire a lot of people 401k's. I knew he got a huge business in that now. You probably get pretty good. Look about from union research. I people are people enthusiastic about investing here. They really are the retirement. Businesses is continuing to be very strong for US and you know we've introduced news. Online on the mobile APP you can enroll is a participant from the client. Their employees can enroll in four clicks on our mobile. APP that has double digit increases in participation participation rate in the client's. 401K's that's good news for the clients because they're getting more people into their 401k's good for retention and it's good for us mclane retention standpoint right so this is really helped us a lot. I'm going to encourage small business. People listening you should get this service because it is very difficult and cumbersome for a lot of employees to go to the 401K and this makes it easy as does the wearable watch idea which I imagine the the clients must be excited about they really are you know this move to. The wearables that we've introduced now takes a lot of the power of our mobility APP in our online APPs onto the wearables bowls. You Can Punch in and punch out as time clock. It has geofencing meaning. You can punch in from a different area. That client can set up. There's a lot of remote workers. It has you can do the number of things on your Smart Watch and that's going to continue to grow so we really feel like we position paychecks from the service business that it has been for a long time to be technology in. HR focused business and that's all good for us in our employees moving forward and certainly for our clients last question since everyone thinks there's going to be recession except for maybe you and me and the millions of people who are doing the hiring in this country the difference between Your Company now in ten years ago yeah big change very very much technology. You know we've always been about service but services changed its very much about the clients and their employees having the opportunity to do things themselves when and where they wanna do it do it on a mobile. APP which we're very happy with a five star mobile APP under paychecks flex and that you can do things now on wearables so it is service but it is an. HR technology focused company very different than where we were ten years ago and very much positions to support our clients in the value brand all right but of course very the same in terms of trying overturn capitalist shareholders with a great dividend. MARDI MUC- paychecks presidency. Oh great to see you sir. Thanks Jim. It's been fifty point since we've been behind this. We're we're not changing the money's back into the right. It is okay and then the lighting rose over. Are you ready Skate with Rodney in California Rodney. Hey Kramer Boo Foia Rodney. What's reasonable phone. Well reasonable calls as we we can both agree that streaming. TV is growing exponentially right absolutely agree okay so that I'm calling about is somewhere to Westminster dog show hanging out for the best in class. At the end of the day the trade debt trade district precisely stock the as it goes down. You can pick out slowly. It reminds me a lot about the FI- same deal but don't be aggressive awesome crucial end up being bird. Let's go to Joe in New York Joe Hi Joe. How about you. I'm I'm good I inherited file light solution from my father and it has recently taken a pretty significant. I was wondering mile life out at me. No no bile life. I gotTa do some work on violent. What is bio is anybody. I know e-e-e-e-no Smith more violence. Let me go to work on that. It's a guy picked up just today. If you want to know let's go to Cindy Georgia Cindy Cindy. How are you. I'm fine thank you. I'm a beekeeper here in Georgia. I'd let you down to go in a hot sometime. Get some local entity all minds. We know how hard it is. I mean I I got a high this year. I am so the peace born on my flight path so I had so many problems with my flowers. I it's a strain a guy got. I'm sorry what's what's up well. I was calling you about Christopher stock with the civically save therapeutics and wanted to know your opinion on stuff. John Jeff Jonas Dr John. I'm a believer jeff join us. This is the kind of stock this couldn't keep going down to. The market doesn't favorite growth and then it's going to bother me going to say why didn't I buy a little saints Therapeutics. Let's go to our Mon- In touch with Armand. Hey Jim got a question for you from Iron Mountain a good one and he's had a hard yield people just think it doesn't have the growth I like. The company records stored seven percent yield well. I think it's good. I like the Ben Toss to. I haven't talked about that enough and that's a dip cafaro tips doing a great job. Let's go to Henry Henry in Maryland Henry Jim how you doing today good day frankly. How would you from doing all right to the company I WANNA talk about. Se the it's gotten its act together had a little heart this death care you know it's not a happy subject but it is a happy while two could stop and that glazier is sponsored by td Ameritrade. Let tell me this. Why the heck would you give something away for free if you could charge real money for it instead. I know a lot of people were asking themselves that very question yesterday today. When Charles Schwab the big online brokerage house announced they were getting rid of commissions one certain kinds of trades namely stocks options rather than they money from commissions missions. They'll make money for interest. Income from clients bountiful cash balances margin lending and the selling of order flow now judging by the way the brokers reacting you think this came out of completely nowhere swapped punched percent competitors. Didn't these worse Egypt plumbing sixteen percent. TD AMERITRADE TV Murray mckinney be headed down more than twenty five percents. You can understand why investors decided to sell first and ask questions later to be fair. Swap up ended the whole. Oh Industry forcing everyone else to react at close last night. Td Ameritrade decided not to would offer commissions free trading then crucial pre-trading and then he did the same thing of course today today. Suddenly these companies have radically different revenue structures. All the models that Wall Street had drawn up a wrong safe to say the Wall Street isn't through all all three stocks got hammered again today so what the heck is queen on here swath charging five dollars a trade now. It's GonNa Charge zero a trade. Oh you can't do that simple. All these online brokerage houses are under attack from smaller privately held upstarts that are disrupting the entire industry like so many other industries have been erupt disrupted by technology of Surf Sake robinhood in California. They already offer free stock trading millennials love them. I'm I'm going to number of your competitors. Start giving something away for free while it becomes harder and harder for you to charge in other words this was inevitable. Schwab salt coming and chose to get out ahead of it leaving leaving e-trade and TV mercury didn't lurch just look at the action well. All three of the online brokers tax cut this rating yesterday. The whole group actually peaked about eighteen months ago. AH TRAFFIC RUN FROM TWO THOUSAND Sixteen through spring of last year Schwab E. Trade embar tree crashed head first into a routine all even before yesterday's breakdown swab stock at four and thirty percent from ties in two thousand eighteen each was off thirty four percent military dent twenty ninety six percent. Why because they're being disrupted. That's what it looks like to beat us routed now think about Amazon retail for these smaller millennial focus online online brokerages have been eaten them live Robin Hood's. Most recognizable won't six years ago or free free trading stocks. ATS OPTIONS CRYPTO currencies and it's been taking market share ever since as of last year they if six million accounts you've also got acorns. CNBC porter specializes in micro investing not to mention M one finance offers free trading and specialized in automated made investment but it's not just small venture capital firms that shacking shaking things up even a major players JP Morgan and begun to Dabble and commission pre-trading put together and it's clear the writing was on the wall and that's why Schwab would do as CFO explained not quote. We're seeing new firms trying to enter enter our market using zero or low equity commissions as a lever. We're not feeling competitive pressure from these firms yet but we don't WanNa fall into the trap that a myriad of other firms firms in a variety of industries have fallen into and wait too long to respond to new entrants. It has seemed inevitable that commissions would head towards zero so so why wait in quote sure make sense to me smart guy. What does it mean in terms of the numbers swab sacrificing ninety to one hundred billion in quarterly revenue only three to four percent of total total because commissions per revenue trade had been for years yet. The stock was down ten percent yesterday now if you're taking the day day to think things over. Td Mercury came out close side. They're going to get rid of the commissioners to each mentioned followed footsteps twenty four hours later. It's very difficult to keep charging money for something that your competitor for free free. This is starting to sound familiar to you. That's because we've heard the story before and a host of different industries all my brokerage space is just the latest business to be disrupted mostly by unprofitable unprofitable venture capital back competitors. If your investors only care about revenue quilts not racist really easy to undercut your rivals most recently. We've seen this new online food. Food Liberty Space for years dominated the industry with very little in the way of meaningful competition stock was incredible former but then all of these money competitors started expanding aggressively from the ubereats read supposed to be this door dash wow now needs to fight tooth and nail for every basis point of market share and their stocks being crushed. How about technology maker of Vissali Vissali braces that transparent removal ones that people absolutely love lines patents expired now. They're facing accomplishment for a small club another unprofitable venture. Cap- bad a company. That's trying to disrupt that industry now. Smiles direct has been a completely awful performance came public a few weeks ago but that's not much solar still line shareholders Uber. We're in lifted the same thing to the taxi industry as long as these leaner meaner disruptors can keep security new funding. They can wreck the margins of their competitors now. We've had so many any of these money losing. IPO's that demarcus got sick of them. That's really neither here nor there is the point is that there's an established pattern here. That's what Schwab was reacting to in other words while the market may they have been surprised by this news anyone who's paying close attention to the industry probably should have known it was coming. I think it's too risky. Necessarily start bottom fishing in the stocks not in this hostile markets. It's kind of disruption often results in prolonged periods of weakness for the incumbents that said if you put a gun to my head I would say well you please take the gun away from my head but I would look at Schwab because only six percent is commission right six territory so it's not really sacrificing much remember that CFO said was more like the three to four percent hit. That's very different from each trade commissions. Make up sixteen percent of the total say nothing emerging twenty four now one emergency got hit hardest plus you gotta figure. Swab is more prepared for this and their competitors. They was implanted and they also have the most incredible acid gathering machine. I have ever seen in my career bottomline. Thanks to smaller privately held players like Robin Hood which can lose scads Gad's of money to grow fast Charles. Td Ameritrade and E. Trade have been forced offer commission free trading but this is not some one off out of nowhere event. Schwab made the move because there's they were being disrupted and while this should give them more breathing room. I don't think it changes the core dynamic here at the end of the day. You don't want exposure to an industry. That's being disrupted now. Schwab is deathly position better than the other guys but it might turn out to be just the best house in very bad stiff. Let me tell you but you know what it goes down by. Quality Stocks Get cheaper and you do a little nibbling not all at once because no one's going to bought it but I gotTa tell you to sell now. You better have something to buy when you do a like say. There's always a bull market summer. I find it just right here. I am Jim Criminal. See you it to listen to. CNBC on your daily commute on your Alexa Device Google assistant instant Siriusxm one twelve tune in and the C._N._B._C. Mobile APP wherever you go C._N._B._C.
Introducing Longshot: Return Man
"Lancaster south carolina is in the middle of not much growing up near that rural town in the post civil rights south. I knew it is the hometown of a black man named jim dunkin. Who became a super bowl hero at the baltimore. Colts damp for the american conference dallas cowboy champs to the national conference and where his death even now almost half a later still makes no sense at all. Those story was that my brother went into the police station. Took a gun off. Police officer shot himself in the head. Most people don't believe that. I'm brian mccormick for the past three years at the rocco herald. I've looked back at a story. That's time later than ever. I was that could have happened last week. The tale of a life falling apart daca and please too close to the edge of money. Now have move on the search for closure for an event almost no one could believe rhea better fake but even fewer dared question and he got some time to talk. Never has been something that anybody's interested in offenbach until now it evolves rates the nuttal state of the person a child. That was scared to say anything. Return men from the hill. Herald mcclatchy studios an iheartradio coming january. Twenty six on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Wherever you get your gas and harold online dot com unusual about lancaster if you took away the date and time could you imagine that happening today.
Introducing Longshot: Return Man
"Lancaster south carolina is in the middle of not much but growing up near that rural town in the post civil rights south. I knew it is the hometown of a black man named jim dunkin. Who became a super bowl hero. The baltimore colts damp for the american conference. Dallas cowboy champs to the national conference and where his death even now almost half a later still makes no sense at all fifteen. Those story was that my brother went into the police station. Took a gun often. Police officer shot himself in the head. Most people don't believe that. I'm brian mccormick for the past three years at the rocco herald. I've looked back at a story. That's time later than ever. I was that could have happened last week. The tale of a life falling apart com. And please too close to the edge that much have years ago move on the search for closure for an event almost no one could believe rhea better fake but even fewer dared question and he got some time to talk. Never has been something that anybody's interested in often final. Until now it evolves rates the mental state of the person have a child. That was scared to say anything. Return men from the rock hill herald mcclatchy studios an iheartradio coming january. Twenty six on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Wherever you get your gas and harold online dot com. I don't think lonzo about lancaster if you took away the date and time could you imagine that happening today.
Killer Couples Pt. 1: Ray and Faye Copeland
"Due to the graphic nature of these killers crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder domestic violence and sexual assault. That some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. A woman awaiting execution on death row once said these words. My story is a love story. Those tortured with love can understand what i mean in the history of the world. How many crimes have been attributed to love the answer to that question too. Many to count whether it's a crime of passion committed in the heat of the moment or killing spree carried out by lovers. Were all familiar with stories in which love and murder dovetail thanks to the popular culture infamy of criminal. Couples like bonnie and clyde. We sometimes imagine that these romances while dark are built on a real connection but if you take a closer look at the real life bonds between couples who kill in tandem. You often find. They're rooted nod in romance. But in fear obsession and talk sic codependency if love keeps you locked in a cycle of abuse or turns you into somebody you don't recognize. Can you even call it love. And what does love mean if the person you love is also the one who destroys you. Hi i'm greg olsen. This is serial killers a spotify original. Podcast this is the first episode of four-part look at couples who killed over the next two weeks. We're taking a closer look at four. Valentine pairings who were driven to murder. I'm here with my co host vanessa. Richardson hi everyone. You can find episodes of serial killers and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Here on serial killers usually looking at just one monster exploring what moved them to kill and kill again but this month we're looking at love and some of its more twisted incarnations whether for money sex or a shared madness please couples work together to kill and conceal while from the outside. They look just like two people in blissful innocent today we're delving into the murder spree of ray and faye copeland. Some of the oldest people ever sentenced to death in the united states will explore the copeland's deprived upbringings. They're abusive marriage and how raise violent nature ultimately landed them both on death row over. The next three episodes would look at other couples. Whose victims and motivations differed greatly from ray and face but these pairs all have one thing in common and unbreakable bond of love. We've got all that and more coming up. Stay with us. Theresa's the young who personal story of fbi agent clery starling as he returns to the field in nineteen ninety-three one year after the events of the silence of the lambs. She faces inner demons and horrific predators. Now it's time to speak. The silence is over. Res the new original series permits thursday february eleventh at ten nine central on cbs. This episode is brought to you by zola engaged. Crush wedding planning with zola. Fine wedding vendor's shop. Invitations create a free wedding website and build your registry all in one place and all from the comfort of home join over one million couples and go to zola. Dot com slash. Love today. Use promo code save fifty fifty percent off your save the dates and free change the dates that zola dot com slash love code save fifty ray copeland learned at a young age that the world was unfair. Born in nineteen fourteen to oklahoma farmers copeland came of age just as the great depression was beginning but even before the crash of nineteen twenty nine in raise rural community. Neighbors were losing their homes and land foreclosure raise own. Family wasn't spared when he was in the fourth grade. He had to drop out of school to help out on the farm likely because they could no longer afford to hire help as a result ray grew up functionally illiterate surrounded by despair and economic anxiety. Resentment began to build in ray along with an moral streak that would define his adult life. When he was about twenty ray began stealing he stole hogs from his own father and then government checks from his own brother. Raise- parents knew about his crimes but perhaps because they were too preoccupied with their money worries. It seems that they struggled to discipline him. Instead they likely covered for him. Word traveled fast in their small community and they didn't want him in trouble. Still trouble found him soon enough. In his early twenties ray was arrested for forging checks and sent to prison for a year far from reforming him. His time behind bars only hardened his determination to get ahead by any means necessary. He'd seen firsthand where following the rules. Got you poor and desperate. But despite his disregard for the law ray was traditional by his mid twenties. Ready to settle down and find a wife who would dote on him in one thousand nine hundred forty. When ray was twenty six. He made a fateful visit to a doctor's office in the rural community of red star arkansas. There he struck up a conversation with a shine nineteen year. Old named fadullah wilson. The sparks flew instantly. Early on ray in phase seemed to complement each other perfectly. She was as meek as he was bullish and within days they began a whirlwind. romance phase. Upbringing was in many respects. The polar opposite of reyes born into a strict religious family fe grew up in a household. Her father ruled with an iron fist. She was used to a male authority. Figure telling her exactly what to do. And perhaps that's what drew her to ray who was confident and assertive. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or a psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for the show. thanks greg. it may sound cliche to say that we're drawn to people who remind us of our parents but research really has shown that the relationship between a child and their parents has a huge impact on how that child will approach relationships throughout their life attachment theory a branch of developmental. Psychology claims that a child's early experiences with parents or caregivers influences how they process emotions as adults. It also determines how they will bond with other people. Such as romantic partners are infantile interactions with our parents therefore create a model that shapes how we approach adult intimacy to quote john. Bobi the psychologist who developed attachment theory in the nineteen fifties and sixties. A child's relationship with their parents affects their behavior quote from the cradle to the grave. Ray may have reminded fe of her overbearing father and young as she was that was probably reassuring on some level. She knew how to live in harmony with this kind of man or so. She thought it wasn't just raised. Domineering nature that appealed to fey. She to grew up during the great depression and economic anxiety ran deepen her. Ray spoke about money with confidence as though we had plenty of it and seemed like he would be a good provider. As far as i was concerned raise word was gospel. little itchy. No he was really a penniless. Conman putting on a practiced facade within months of their first meeting ray and faye married. The couple had two sons. Everett and billy ray and move their young family to fresno county california craving a fresh start in the golden state ray and had two more children in california but becoming a father didn't soften raise rough edges and soon. His criminal impulses brought their life on the west coast to an abrupt end in the late. Nineteen forties ray was accused of stealing horses from a local farmer and fresno no charges were ever filed but the allegation destroyed his reputation in the community then soon after the birth of his fifth child ray moved his family back to arkansas. Within a month of arriving he was arrested for stealing cattle and sentenced to a year in jail and so began a years. Long period throughout the nineteen fifties in which ray was constantly in and out of jail for livestock theft and check forgery. The family moved around a lot during this time between arkansas missouri and illinois. the most peaceful periods for the copeland's were during wray's prison stints when he was behind bars they and the kids could breathe easy but when he came home things got ugly. It's not clear if ray was violent and abusive from the beginning of marriage to fe or whether it's personality darkened over the years but by the time the copland children were old enough to form memories. They were likely terrified of their father. When raised third son. How was a teen ray. Beat him with a pair of metal cow kickers leaving him with lifelong back problems recalling his father's violence in an interview with investigation discovery. Al said whenever ray came home from prison you had to be on your guard as far as what you said to him. How you set it because if you said it wrong to him you'd get physically abused. According to al. What was even worse was watching. His mother take the abuse in the same interview al-said that he and his siblings became accustomed to seeing face with bruises and black eyes and knew what it meant according to already treated his wife on lot worse than trash despite the violence. It's not clear whether faye ever considered leaving ray given the relentless abuse she and her children experienced over the years. It's likely that the thought at least crossed her mind but there are many reasons why leaving may not have felt like a viable option. Faye was a deeply religious woman raised in a christian fundamentalist family for the patriots. Word was law. What's more believed that divorce was a sin on a more practical level. She was also financially dependent on ray with five children to feed and so face stayed with her husband and life carried on by the nineteen sixties. Ray had a new strategy for cattle rustling. Instead of simply stealing the cows he bought them in a seemingly legitimate transaction but since he lacked the funds to actually afford them he used bad checks. That promptly bounced this scheme. Unravelled fast in nineteen sixty one. Ray was caught and sent back to jail a few years later. He served another jail term for the same crime by nineteen sixty six rate had moved his family to mooresville missouri and bought a forty acre farm. Hearing this you might assume that the couple's finances had taken an upswing but in fact the purchase was a stretch and the cullens. Continue to live a hand-to-mouth existence even as landowners ray and faye both took odd jobs to make ends meet him on other farms her at a local motel and sometimes they'd run out parts of their farm for pasture. By this time ray in face children had all left home and were no longer around to help out on the farm. This left ray no choice but to hire employees to pick up the slack but stretched financially as he was he had to get creative about his recruitment methods the precise dates get a little murky here but at some point during the nineteen seventies race started picking up hitchhikers rather than giving them the ride they wanted. He offered them work on his farm. Which many accepted. He also sought out employees at a local homeless shelter offering fifty dollars a day plus free room and board. It was an offer not many desperate people could turn down. And so the copeland's neighbors watched wehrley as disheveled. Drifters came and went from the farm over the years. Little did they know it was ray himself. They should have been keeping an eye on his hired hands. That said there's no record of any confirmed criminal activity during this time. It's possible that ray. Put his cattle theft on ice for awhile perhaps spooked by his numerous stints in jail but one report paints a deeply disturbing picture of rain phase disintegrating marriage according to forensic psychologist lenore walker who was interviewed by investigation. Discovery ray brought farmhands home and forced fate have sex with them in front of him sometimes at gunpoint walker speculates that this was done for raise pleasure and should be thought of as part of his abusive behavior forcing your wife to have sex with strangers and wanting to watch it. Happen is an act of such perverse evil. That is hard to make sense of but if this report is true it may have laid the groundwork for raise next scam after all if we could force forces employees to have sex with his wife at gun point why not force them to commit other crimes for him to ray resented the men he hired he felt they were living off the welfare money paid for by hardworking taxpayers like himself. He felt that they owed him something. He saw them ultimately as dispensable and with that in mind he hatched a horrifying new plan. Coming up. ray copeland's murder spree begins. It's vanessa from podcast. They say there's someone for everyone a soul to share your secrets with a companion to grow old with a conspirator to commit crimes with starting this february on spotify learn about the lethal and legendary lovers. Who fought the law in the podcast limited series criminal couples. If you've ever referred to your best friend or beloved as your partner in crime this exclusive series is for you beginning february. I join me for a collection of unlawful love. Stories from shows across the podcast network discovered the extreme beliefs of cult leaders. Tony and susan alamo enter fred and rose west's real life house of horrors and experience the madness and motives of the san francisco which killers fall for the most famous and feared pairs in history in the spotify original from podcast. Criminal couples. enjoy two part episodes every monday. Starting february i follow criminal couples. Free and exclusively on spotify people strive for personal transformation even metamorphosis. Some of them can't stop like moths to a flame is a deep dive onto the unto personal story of fbi agent clarice starling as she returns to the field in nineteen ninety three one year after the events of the silence of the lambs. She is still both brilliant vulnerable. Battling inner demons and the memories of a challenging shout are unique. Perspective is also a strain greece vice for light even as she has drawn to the dark unravelling mysteries larger than she ever imagined in diving deeper into the minds of monsters and men men just like the kind that demands lotion and baskets. Now it's time to speak. The silence is over greece. The new original series premiere thursday february eleventh at ten nine central on cbs. Now back to the story as the nineteen seventies drew to a close ray copeland now in his mid sixties was entering his golden years. Most americans retire by this time. Ready to relax reap the rewards of their working years and spend more time with their families but ray of violent and cold man who terrorized his wife and children had no interest in this kind of future even if he had. It wasn't an option having spent his entire adult life scraping together. a living. ray was in no position to retire but he had come up with a new plan to get ahead. He'd been caught more than once using bad checks to buy cattle and had no desire to spend any more time behind bars instead. He figured he could use his farmhands to do the dirty work for him. Ray had nothing but contempt. For the drifters he hired. He saw them as lazy men who never bothered to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and resented having to pay them for their labor but now he'd found a way to make use of them. One of the first unwitting participants in raised new scheme was a man named gerald perkins based on raise pattern of behavior. It's likely that after hiring gerald ray took him to the local bank and helped him to set up an account next. He drove gerald out to a cadillac shin and pointed out the cows he wanted to buy. He had gerald make the purchases on his behalf using the starter checks from his new bank account. Finally race sold the cows on to another buyer then ordered gerald to leave town. The idea was that by the time the checks bounced the cows and their buyer would both be long gone leaving. No paper trail back to ray but it didn't work out quite like planned. Gerald eventually confessed the whole scheme to police and so back to jail rey went. After he was released he'd learned his lesson. It wasn't enough to get rid of the paper trail. He needed to get rid of every single piece of evidence including the human being at the center of his plot by now. Murder might have seemed like an inevitable. Nextstep ray had always been violent and abusive with his family and among his neighbors. He had a reputation as a suspicious weirdo. He was snapping cold. All it took was a little desperation to push him over the edge into true evil and by the nineteen eighty s gray was desperate. That was when the copeland's financial troubles spiraled out of control their son ou- went to visit his parents in nineteen eighty six accompanied by one of his brothers. They knew that their parents were on the verge of bankruptcy and they wanted to help. But ray wouldn't hear of it. In fact he was furious. She shouted at his son's telling them to stay out of his business. Nineteen eighty-six proved to be a critical year for seventy two year. Old ray records indicate that this was the year he finally put his murderous cattle rustling scheme into action. Perhaps he'd been sitting on the plan for years not quite daring to start and perhaps the shame of his sons. Pity was what pushed him over the edge. Here's how raise new scheme worked. He hung around places were transients came for food and shelter. He talk a big game about money and job opportunities waiting to see who bit in september of nineteen eighty-six. Ray met a thirty one year. Old man named dennis murphy. He offered murphy money plus free room and board in exchange. He said he expected help around. The farm and importantly help with purchasing cattle at auction race story may have been that he was hard of hearing and couldn't managed by himself in the loud fast paced environment of a rural auction to homeless man in desperate need of income and housing. This deal must have been a no brainer. Once he had murphy on board ray likely took him to a nearby town and had him open a new post office box and checking account. Ray would have fronted him. The money for both from their the cattle scam began. Ray in murphy travelled together to rural auctions all around the county where murphy cadillac raise direction using his starter checks race sold the new cattle immediately afterward and pocketed the profit. He knew the checks would bounce but it didn't matter. There was no way to trace. Murphy's account back to ray now. All he needed to do was make sure murphy couldn't rat him out as rain. Murphy returned to the farm on october seventeenth. Ray struck he shot murphy in the back of the head with a twenty two caliber rifle killing him instantly. Murphy crumpled to the ground and race sprung into action. He dragged murphy's body into the back of his truck and drove out to a neighbouring farm. Where he sometimes did odd jobs there. He fixed the corpse to a forty pound concrete weight then heaved both over the side of a well thought no one would find him there just a month later in november of nineteen eighty-six ray carried out the plan again. He hired a new worker. Wayne warner in had fraudulently purchased cattle at an auction. Once warner served his purpose. Ray shot him in the back of the head and drove his body out to the same farm where he'd buried murphy. He buried warner's body in a shallow grave beneath bales of hay and drove back to his own farm. Where faye was waiting for him at this point we have to wonder. Did rape put on a facade for his wife pretending that warner and murphy had simply quit did she believe or play along with the lie. Preferring to keep the peace rather than risk a fight or did fe know exactly what was going online. The answer is unclear. Given these men lived with the copeland's on their land. It's hard to believe that faye was completely in the dark at the very least she would have noticed their disappearances but since ray made a point of hiring drifters with no close ties in the area fe probably wouldn't have found it strange if they moved on without saying goodbye and she worked regularly at a local motel. So it's possible. She wasn't home to hear the gunshot. When either of the men were killed however given what we know about the copeland's marriage it also makes sense that faye might have simply looked the other way after enduring years of abuse. She knew better than to ask too many questions. If this is the case then phase behavior could be attributed to learned helplessness coined by psychologists studying animal behavior in the nineteen sixties. The term learned helplessness. Now describes what happens when an individual faces a continuous controllable situation and gradually gives up on trying to change. Their circumstances research suggests that living within a cycle of abuse for sustained periods can lead to learned helplessness in the victim. Even if they knew what was happening she may have felt unable to stop. Ray if she couldn't keep him from abusing her and her children how could she keep him from hurting strangers. It's also possible. That faye did more than look the other way she probably wasn't directly involved in the actual murders killing someone with a rifle is typically a two person job but perhaps she helped ray dispose of the bodies and clean up any evidence afterwards in a nineteen ninety paper on joint murders for the journal of crime and justice. Philip jenkins described two types of partner serial killers the dominant submissive pair and the equally dominant team in a dominant submissive pair. One partner usually the man is the dominant partner and the woman participates to please him. She may or may not take part in or observe the actual murders. It's clear that ray was the dominant force in the copeland's marriage face admitted to him both out of fear and because of her traditional values if she was involved this was likely the dynamic whether his wife knew the truth or not raise murders went undetected for years since both murphy. And warner were drifters. It doesn't seem like their disappearances were investigated by forties. Or if they were. The investigation didn't get par over the next three years ray copeland hired and murdered at least three more. Farmhands twenty-seven year olds jimmy harvey and john freeman and twenty one year old. Paul cowart in the cases of coward and freeman and likely for jimmy harvey as well ray had each man opened up a bank account and buy cattle on his behalf. After each job was done race shot his most recent employees in the back of the head execution style by the spring of nineteen eighty nine when he killed cowart seventy five year old ray one of the oldest serial killers in american history. He'd been getting away with murder for three years and he was on top of the world. In his twilight years he'd finally found a reliable source of income that would keep him and his wife above water and as far as we can tell. The human cost of the scheme didn't trouble ray for a moment after all race saw the many hired as leeches on society. He resented them for relying on government. Benefits paid for by working people like him. This is ironic. Since ray himself made a lifelong habit of stealing things he hadn't earned self awareness was obviously not his strong suit. Soon ray was ready to strike again in july of nineteen eighty nine. He hired fifty six year old. Jack mccormick as newest farmhand as always. He told mccormick that he needed help. Purchasing cattle under raise instruction mccormick opened up a po box and a bank account then began accompanying ray to catalogs before we get any further into mccormack story. It's important to note that some consider him to be an unreliable narrator because of his own criminal history. His account is crucial to our understanding of the copeland's however he's a near victim who lived to tell the tale mccormick wants described himself as a quote common gutter tramp and drunk even still. He was sharp enough to pick up a strange fi but the copland farm and if the weird atmosphere wasn't bad enough his new employers had some strange ground rules on his first day. Ray told mccormack that he was not to receive any visitors at the farm. This seemed reasonable enough. But ray went on to tell him that phone calls and mail. Were also forbidden. This suggests that rate didn't want anybody to know that mccormick on the farm for obvious reasons mccormick tried to brush it off. He was making good enough money to put up with a few corks but soon mccormack noticed fe watching him as he went about his work on the land. His unease turned to real discomfort one day in early august. According to jack mccormack's account mccormick was walking past the copeland's barn what he throws a few yards away. Protruding from the ground was a bone large. Possibly a leg or an arm as mccormick looked more closely. He noticed something else a skull and just like the bone it looked human shaken. Mccormack headed back towards the house where he was met by fe according to mccormick. She seemed upset and told him that she enra- didn't want anyone going behind the barn. This story is chilling but seems odd. We know that ray drove is victims bodies out to neighboring farms and made a point of not burying them on his own land. It's possible mccormick. Made up the story because he was suspicious of the copeland's and wanted to get the attention of police. He was afraid for his life. Here's why after a few days. Ray announced that he was unhappy with mccormack's work complaining that he'd done a poor job of buying kettle sensing an out. Mccormick told ray that he didn't think the partnership was working and that he wanted to quit. It's not clear what ray said in response to this but the next day ray walk towards mccormick holding twenty two caliber rifle. Ray looked right at mccormick. His is cold. He said there's a raccoon loose in the barn. We gotta chase it out. He handed mccormack stick and gestured into the dark barn telling him to try and scare the raccoon out from where it was hiding behind. Ray the cormack notice detractor backed up close to the barn. Attached was to wheel trailer and on top of the trailer was a shovel and a piece of plastic uneasy. Mccormack headed into the darkness of the born. He felt the hairs on the back of his neck standing up and had an overwhelming sense that something was very wrong when he turned around race was pointing the rifle right at him with his finger on the trigger. It's not clear exactly how this tense moment ended. But it was the last straw for mccormack who persuaded raided taken to the nearby town of brookefield to close his bank account. Along the way they stopped to pick up fay who seemed surprised to sima cormac. Once the bank account was closed rain fe invited mccormack to come back to the farm and collect his belongings but by now mccormick feared for his life and refused to get back into the car with them. he skipped town soon after and ended up in nebraska but though he escaped with his life mccormack couldn't shake the feeling of dread that settled over him during his time on the farm he couldn't forget the atmosphere of evil that hovered over the copeland's. He knew he had to do something in late august. Nineteen eighty-nine mccormack called a crime. Stoppers hotline in nebraska. He told the operator the story about seeing human remains on the copeland's farm given his own rap. She'd mccormick was nervous about being arrested for the bad checks. He wrote for ray so he hung up as the operator tried to get more information but soon enough the authorities caught up with mccormack anyway. He was arrested in oregon for the bad cecchi wrote in an auction in missouri. On ray copeland's orders during his police interview. Mccormack explained the whole story. He told them he was afraid for his life and that he was sure was killing. People and bearing the bodies on his farm intrigued by the claims nebraska authorities contacted police in missouri. The sheriff's department in livingston county was bewildered by the call. There's was a quiet rural county with very little criminal activity but they turned up evidence. That seemed to corroborate. At least part of mccormick story. A number of bounce checks for cattle purchases signed by a jack mccormick. It was enough to convince them to look into the rest of the outlandish claims so much warrant in hand. The police headed for the copeland's farm. Coming up the authorities make a disturbing discovery about fe. 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Checks signed by mccormack that same day they tracked down ray and him to charging both ray and faye with conspiracy to commit theft in separate interviews. Neither ray nor faye admitted any wrongdoing at some point ray told the cops you'll find nothing on my place but in fact back on the farm the search was incredibly fruitful. The police found bank and livestock records showing suspicious. Irregularities along with raised twenty two caliber rifle they also found a variety of clothing. Some with name labels stitched into the fabric. Which didn't belong to either ray or fe the most incriminating discovery was a piece of scratch paper with a list of names written on it. The names each had a notation written beside them for victims. Like wayne warner and dennis murphy. The notation was simply an ex spurred by this ominous finding the investigators brought in police dogs and bulldozers. Searching for evidence to corroborate mccormack story about human remains over the next several days they found deer bones pig bones cow bones but no human remains still. The investigation was gathering steam within days of the arrest becoming public. The townspeople began to come forward with stories. It was clear that ray was not well liked in this community and hadn't done much to engender loyalty among his neighbors ray regularly worked on jobs like fixing barnes filling in wells which took him all over the county on this police able to put together a thorough list of the areas. Where ray was regularly seen just a few days into the investigation. A local farmer gave the police their breakthrough he recalled seeing bones sticking out of the ground on one of the farms where ray worked at the time. He assumed it was a deer but now in light of the rumors about he'd begun to wonder when investigators searched that farm. They found strange looking soil inside one of the cattle barns. Excavating the soil. They found three human bodies buried just beneath the surface and discovered a fourth body later. The men were identified as paul cowart. John freeman jimmy. Harvey all three. Were shot with bullets from the rifle seized from the copland house on another farm. Police found the bodies. Of wayne warner and dennis murphy. One man had been buried and the other was found at the bottom of the well by this stage. The evidence against ray was damning and soon fe was incriminated to the list of names was sent away for handwriting analysis. When the results came back they showed that the writing was phase according to a popular rumor about the case the police also found a disturbing piece of evidence. That incriminated fay a handmade quilt ashen. Out of the dead. Men's clothing at this point prosecutors. Were sure they had a killer couple on their hands. So on december twenty eighth ray and faye were both charged with five counts of murder both denied everything faye insisted she knew nothing about raise crimes. It's not clear whether she ever offered an explanation for the quilt. But as to the note she said that rain asked her to write the list because he was functionally illiterate he dictated to her. She didn't ask questions. not asking. Questions was a cornerstone of ray and phase marriage and it's crucial and trying to understand phase role in all of this the copeland's daughter betty lou recalled in a nineteen ninety news interview. That raise authority was absolute. He told us exactly what to do. And when to do it there was no discussion. That was it fe new her place. It's possible she either. Had no idea ray was killing. People were that she did know but was too afraid to do anything to stop him. Their son l. suspects his mom had some knowledge of race came but doesn't believe she was directly involved in harming any of the victims. This brings us back to the idea of ray and faye as a dominant submissive pair as defined by philip jenkins in nineteen. Ninety jenkins wrote the submissive partner in these couples may later described themselves as a reluctant participant or claim that they were brainwashed by the leader particularly. If they're facing legal charges this is effectively. What phase attorneys did at her trial in november of nineteen ninety. Fay pleaded not guilty. Her defense team said that as a victim of abuse they only went along with race scheme out of fear specifically. They said she had battered woman syndrome. Battered woman syndrome or battered person. Syndrome isn't a condition listed in the dsm five but it is recognized in the cdc's international classification of diseases. Be w s is the term used to describe a pattern of signs and symptoms that are commonly found in women who have experienced long lasting intimate partner violence or domestic violence. The criteria for be ws are similar to those for post traumatic stress disorder which according to the dsm five include intrusive memories avoidance behaviors and difficulty maintaining close relationships but there are other symptoms unique to battered women syndrome which are important to think about here. According to the national coalition against domestic violence victims of abuse may still feel. They love their abuser and make excuses for them believing they can change a case in point favorite fuse to testify about the abuse. She suffered at her husband's hands. Even though it was at the core of her defense her loyalty to ray was stronger than her will to defend herself even now. She protected him forensic psychologist lenore walker. Who coined the term battered woman syndrome. The nineteen seventies discussed phase case at length. In the documentary about the copeland's she said there's absolutely no question in my mind that ray copeland continued to control faye copeland at the trial and after the trial when they were in prison dots the strength of the bond between batters and their victims. But the jury didn't buy the defense argument and sided with the prosecution's case that faye was a willing participant on november thirteenth nineteen. Ninety fei was found guilty on all counts and sentenced to death tellingly. The loyalty face showed ray at her. Trial was not returned. When ray was told about his wife's conviction his response was nonchalant. he reportedly said well. It happens to some of them and soon enough. It happened to him at his own trial. In march nineteen ninety-one ray copeland was also found guilty on all five charges and sentenced to death but his punishment was never carried out two years after he was sentenced. Ray died from stroke at the age of seventy eight and in death. His holdover faye finally broke with ray in the ground. Fay became more willing to open up. Finally she admitted to the abuse she'd suffered from him over the years though raise. Abusive control over faith faded after his death. Her love for him did not in footage of faith from some time after the trial shown in the investigation discovery documentary. Fay said i only know when i was told. He's my husband. There will always be a love in my heart for him. What other people think. I don't care. In august of nineteen ninety nine phase. Death sentence was commuted to life in prison. She died four years later at the age of eighty two at a nursing home where she was living on medical parole. We'll never know the full truth of their relationship or to what extent phase culpable for her husband's brutal killings is there is a story of an abuser and his victim or murderer and his accomplice or both no matter what it seems that despite everything phase commitment to ray endured to the end her love or perhaps her loyalty and fear consumed everything else including her self preservation instinct and in the end. The relationship destroyed her. Thanks again for tuning into serial killers. We'll be back soon with two of our killer couples series to explore another story of a love that turns deadly because sometimes love doesn't destroy so much as it reveals for more information on ray and faye copeland amongst the many sources we used. We found the investigation discovery series. Wicked attraction extremely helpful to our research you can find all episodes of serial killers and all other spotify. Par cast for free on. Spotify will see you next time killer week. 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Stranded at sea: the crew members trapped on cruise ships
"Today. How thousands of staff became stuck on cruise ships around the world. In April, we made a polk cost about the Zaandam cruise ship, which found itself stranded at sea for weeks as country after country wouldn't allow it to dock because of the spread of covid nineteen on. Four. Guests have bossed away. One overnight respect to Guardian journalist era McCormick who along with her colleague Patrick Greenfield had followed Zander's journey and reported on its landing in the US, we were so excited to see these last passengers getting off in Florida after being trapped on the ship for for weeks they watched as other ships around the world managed to fly passengers home. Which Aaron thought might be the end of the story. And then we realized that they would let the passengers get off, but crew members were stuck on these ships. It is estimated sixty to eighty thousand crew members, and now stranded at sea on board cruise ships over the past few months. The Guardian has the reporting on their stories. My Day going to be turning three next month. We'd some very disparate so unhappy that I won't be able to be there. Just being in the dark and not knowing what's going on a lot of the crew, just not sleeping just really. Mentally drained. From The Guardian. I'm Rachel Humphry. Today in focus trapped at. The crease staff unable to leave ship. Actually, started because of a girl that I met from South Africa, a lot of people in the company are South. African and I guess she's A. She's a salesman because she sold me on it. Last of Taber will lease from Canada was hide by Gallery to exit art director on board the Norwegian star Krisha basically. We have a small department of what six people and we host art seminars. We host live art auctions, and we basically sell all the of the artists that we represent. So you, assailing New South America when the coronavirus pandemic began to affect decrees industry. What happened to you? I think it was March thirteenth. We heard in the morning. That are are upcoming cruise. That was supposed to be departing. The following day was going to be canceled. A couple of hours, after that it was basically all future cruises and the whole cruise industry has come to a halt, so it was. Everything normal relatively. Few hours later out of job essentially. Passengers on the Norwegian Star managed to disembark in Chile, but will the rest of the nine hundred strong crew went allowed to get off. While the boat kept on a skeleton staff. The majority of them including well were laid off very quickly. Life on board began to change. At first, we had some of the amenities open for us. We had the gym. We could even go into the arcade. Things like that because it was confirmed that we had zero case zero symptoms onboard so everything. Everything was good, but then that started to change the implemented some protocols where they closed the Jim. They didn't let us use a lot of the amenities. They drained the pool and that's when. Life starts to get a little more monotonous, so the transition from feeling safe on board and life being pretty good to be going. Okay I really WANNA go home. Now was a pretty quick transition. What was the plan for crew members? And what happened Ta? The initial plan was to leave Chile go up through the Panama Canal and make her way across the Atlantic to. The ship was was to go into drydock for to be refurbished in in Rotterdam. We got to. Miami and we weren't allowed to disembark because the American government had certain and the Center for Disease Control had certain regulations essentially saying. Any flight you had to get on had to be direct out of the United States to your country, and they disembarked and sent home a lot of a lot of the cruise Filipino a lot of crews Indonesian and Indian. They sent them a lot of them home. obviously doing the largest groups i. Than I was scheduled to go home, and I actually had a flight, and then the Center for Disease Control in the United States put through A. Another ban, which did not allow crews crew members to fly commercial from anywhere in the United States, so if we wanted to get home, the cruise companies had to organize a private charter flight me being the only Canadian on board at that time. There was obviously no way I was going to get my own private jets so I became very aware that I was going to be on for. A little while, and that's kind of when I started going Oh. No, this could be. This could be much longer than just a couple of weeks. Erin, we've just heard from will about how the CDC's decision stopped him from getting off in the US. Why was it difficult? So cruise companies to follow the new guidelines they put in a legal requirement that required the cruise ships to be responsible for getting the crew, every step of the way home including right to their door in whatever country they live in, and made them criminally liable for other people that might have been exposed along that path, so cruise companies complained that this was horribly expensive and they. They couldn't sign off on this legal requirement. But. It's not just in America. Where ships have been unable to disembark that crew people stuck on boats around the world why? Well, it seems like there's been layer upon layer of red tape. So you know I there is you know, will the country where the the the ship is currently sailing, allow people to get off the ship and get onto a flight then. Is there a flight and finally many home? Countries are making it very difficult, and in some places completely shutting the door. The island nation of Mauritius has basically closed its doors to crew and just. Just recently, I heard a recording from the captain of of one have celebrities ships, saying that the country had agreed to let crew comeback in, but the the requirements are so stringent. They're going to let a hundred people per day fly in, and has to be on Mauritius Airlines and cannot start until the middle of June and thus it's going to take at least a month to get everyone back then. They're requiring that every person The cruise line has to pay thirteen hundred dollars for each person that comes back. They have to Corentin them for fourteen days and they have to pass basically three cove nineteen tests showing that they're negative. and so the logistics of getting these people back into these countries are almost impossible. It's really going to be a lot of red tape. Someone who has found themselves in limbo because of the Mirisch in government's tough restrictions is a man. We Cooling Perry. He's been stuck on his boat since March. Without pay until recently have been confined to a cabin after corona virus was discovered on board. There was two guests which was tested positive covid nineteen. What has it been like to just be in your cabin for that many weeks? He's outlying. Our says were just a nightmare. You can imagine a you cannot be in contact with anybody you'll breakfast. Being delivered in front of the Dole does a fuck you on your bad, your bathroom and the. That's all you know for two months. And that was the toughest part I think for. This is relation when you describe it line that it makes it sound like you've been in prison for the past two months. Is that what it felt like? It was just like Jill. Sometime. You have people coming to see you from time to time it here. Nobody comes to see you, so you'll completely on your own. Denied you keep on thinking how your family's managing without you at home and in case something happened. How's it going to deal with station? Because full myself comes on demand in the family. Where leaves is only me my wife and my kids, so that was very tough and was making live, becoming more and more difficult on board because. It doesn't allow to sleep You keep on thinking the whole day. your thought. These just wisdom back in Mauritius. And here you don't feel good then. You are like helpless. Do Nothing. And Do you have any idea when you might be able to leave at this point? Honestly no idea of. Osborne is I know of since our government is not allowing any flight, the country so will most likely. Not going to be leaving soon from the ship to go back home. Arron! Perry is clearly in an awful and desperate situation. Have you had other stories like his. We have heard so many stories and so many different heartbreaking situations going on out there. We you know heard of our our ninth reported suicide There have been hunger strikes on some of these ships. Were there so impatient to get and they're? They're so tormented by what they're going through trapped on the ships. In some cases, there's been unrest aboard the ships where. The police had to be called on board because it sounds like people started like throwing around furniture, and and we have a a source. KRISTA Thomas. WHO's a former cruise ship ploy employees herself. She's been running a facebook group where she's been kind of gathering the stories of these people and You know she's tell us about people who are pregnant aboard these ships in there now approaching like their eighth month of pregnancy, you know she's had people who have family members at home who are dying of cancer, and their husbands or wives can't get off the ship to go see them. What is the mood like and how you able to talk to each other when you're stuck in your cabin? So what we did with a few friends that we know each other from before the is relation, and we have the numbers, so we created a group on on what's up so from time to time in the morning we chat with each other. We share our problems. We shall Soro's our worries to each other everyone share their problems happiness also when they've been able to back home. Some of our colleague wish loss the close one and relative back home. Also this also we've been sharing together, so that was very hard. We tried to keep each and every one more up. because you can imagine in a moment likes is It's very easy to have a very more down and you can do things that you're not supposed to do so we try to keep in touch with each and also to make each and everyone. To stay stable. domingues actually what we are doing. Accu Miami will was facing an uncertain situation. The US wouldn't allow him and his colleagues to get off so the Norwegian star sell to the Bahamas where the crew were divided by nationality onto different boats. A Norwegian cruise line has a private island off. The Bahamas called the great stirrup case, so we arrive there to about. Eight or nine massive cruise ships just bobbing in the blue water of the Caribbean and we had to do a huge multi ship transfer all via the little tender boats that usually take the passengers from ship to shore. And that's how I got onto the epic. What was it like compost the epic? We got there. They tried to assign US dirty crew cabins. Stains some with non-functioning toilets, no running water. sheets that had stains I. don't even want to question what they are. A lot of no windows very dark. We all basically went back to the reception and said. We know you have passenger rooms available. They told us they didn't have any available. Eventually, they relented and gave us. Passenger cabins you now been stuck at sea with no pay for well over a month. It must have been very hard to stay positive in that situation. It's tough because again. It's that The not knowing you know we're not stupid. We look and we go, okay, they they've got the obligation of of trying to get US home, but they've also got to look out for themselves and go. What can we do to? To minimize our outgoing cost so that the company doesn't go under and some of that was. Leaving us to sit in the ship in Miami port because they own their own terminal there. After twelve days in Miami will was transferred again, but not to a boat that would take him home to Canada instead. He found himself sailing in the opposite direction to Europe. Will was promised to fight from Barcelona, but the ship was not allowed to dock. Another flight canceled and will was getting anxious that point I just went. Is Anybody going to use commonsense and just let us go home and desperation will began sending Erin voice notes about his experience in the hope that media coverage of his situation would put pressure on the crease company to act name is William Lee's I'm thirty one years old from North Vancouver Canada a few days. I'll be not really celebrating, but passing my thirty second birthday on board today is. These seventy-second day on board since the cruise industry shut down. One of the most difficult things without a doubt is just a constant. Feeling of helplessness. that. There's nothing that we can do. This is the extent of week where we can do is reach out to the media and try and stir up some information about our story with the boat unable to dock in Barcelona it to January in Italy. By now will was losing hope of being able to fly home from Europe, but one day while he was reading on deck, he was given the knees the he had been desperately waiting for the captain. He did an announcement kind of congratulating us on on following the protocol working as team, he said the port of Genoa has given us authorization and clearance to disembark crew, and there was a big cheer throughout everybody that was outside hearing the the announcement. And, then I got an email from my company that said we're working on a flight to get you home. The. To the shape, how many days had she been see? The day that I stepped off. The ship was day eighty two. Yeah, so that number will always be. I don't know special or negative to me, but yeah eighty two days. GD When you when you got home was the first thing that you did. I fell onto my knees onto my stomach, and just laid in the grass in my garden for about ten minutes completely soaked because it. had been raining, but I didn't care. After this. Will might be off the ship, but if he is still very uncertain for Perry. Company to send a memo. which is called a potential starter of one of the ship in the Mediterranean while we'll have been able to get home. Perry is still stuck at sea and doesn't know when he'll be able to disembark. While I was speaking to him, he was contacted by the cruise ship with an offer of work on board from July in anticipation of the opening to customers in August. Missing his family, he told me that the news has left him with dilemma. But again my gene already three months no salary and I still have to survive dill, fifteen of July without salary, which is going to be very very very tough especially. You highly family relying on this money back home and I know also if I go back home, all sorts of that I've been working hospitality I. Don't have much waiting for me at home because we leave on tourism in Marisha, so I don't know what to do right now. I'm a little bit Not Confused but I would say. A running out of option I mean it's a very difficult. Situation, and do you worry that reopening the boat to customize well? Corona virus is still around is putting the health of those on board at risk. I wouldn't like to sound selfish, but I wouldn't say it's safe, but I think being exert every seafarer, and this is what I leave on so honestly I wouldn't mind if we all security measures music and put. Ahead Do welcomes against back again. Yes it's unsafe, but if you don't take risks, I. Don't know how I'm going to cater for my family, so I have to take some re somewhere somehow so. I don't have any option? Will How do you feel about cruise companies? Appetizing holidays customers again I think it's ridiculous I think. How can they? Be Thinking about. Bringing in more money and doing voyages, and and like the the cruise industry, and their company is back to normal and everything's good and life should be enjoyed when they've got people on board that have spent so long. Doing nothing missing out on their lives, missing out on their loved ones, the births of children, the death of family members things like that. And they're thinking Oh. Yeah, let's let's market that the world is great, and and it is, but that everything's back to normal, and and we are a fantastic company that you should follow and spend your time with when. You. Look at the crew and you go how you not got your crew home yet. Erin, what if you learn for reporting on this story about the cruise industry and how operates? You know one of one of the most amazing thing to me is how unregulated this all is, and how these cruise ships sort of slipped between the legal regulations of any country so? The ships are registered in what they call ports of convenience, and often it's the Bahamas. Where there aren't many rules, and then the companies themselves are registered in different locations. You know these are not the kind of countries that impose environmental safety regulations. Clearly, this is a complex situation. Cruise ships have been struggling. Disembark people during pandemic. At the same time, tens of thousands of crew have been stuck on board boats for months without pay. If anyone challenging this. There have been numerous lawsuits filed against the cruise companies on behalf of these crew for the suffering that they've experienced and those have been filed as class action lawsuits. I don't think they've been accepted by the courts yet, but there will be lots of legal action against the cruise companies coming up. We'll what do you think you're experienced? Says about the cruise ship industry. It shows that it's obviously a business and. They the people were making the decisions in board rooms. Not The crew on board for the faces that they are, but they see them for numbers, okay? This cruise ship has twenty three hundred people on board. X amount of people from this country X. amount of people from this country, and that means that per day were spending this much to keep them on board. Also. It's GONNA cost us much to. Repatriate them home. There are still people out there stuck on these cruise ships and Countries are not letting them go. Home or cruise lines are not doing all they can to repatriate them. Thanks to will and Parry speaking to me for this episode as we record, this Perry is still on the ship, although he on board and now allowed out of their cabins. Thanks to era, McCormick and Patrick Greenfield. Do you read that brilliant reporting on this story at the Guardian Dot Com? We can also listen to the Kospi made back in April with Aaron. Zaandam onboard the corona. Virus Hickory ship. This episode was produced by Elizabeth. Casson and sound design was by Nicholas Cox. Executive producers and Co Jackson and Phil Maynard. We'll be back tomorrow.
Guest: Jason McCormick
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I was actually on his team back in the day. Flyer racing racer x podcasts presented by rental maxis with the Great Jason McCormick. What'S UP JASON? How are you? I'm doing great buddy just working away still working actually taking the time and wanted to talk to you. Thanks for doing this appreciate it. Yeah Nice to catch up with you and see how you're doing and I gotta thank somebody on Instagram or twitter. That just said hey man. What's Jason McCormick up to and I'm like I don't know but let's find out I'm stoked at that guy. That listener of mine wanted to find out more. But what you're going what what's going on with you so cool you know. I got a message to. I think it was Bob Bradstreet. I know there's a couple a couple of guys you but I know Baba he attacks me said so you know these are trying to get all the whole really well Steve Number. Well it's you know I don't have anymore because it's an old number so anyway. Yeah that's that's I guess I'll transpired. Know whatever number you have for McCormack is the same number. I've had since nineteen ninety-seven. I've never changed it so yeah just just same number so if you just didn't have it that's fine but I'm just saying now. Maybe I tried call no longer. I don't know maybe you have my pager number seriously. That's how old it could be good golf on a ninety eight team got. Okay Yeah so funny. So hey man. You're doing suspension service now up there in the Pacific northwest. That's cool. Yeah actually on site at the Washington motorcross track. It's been awesome Doing you know complete complete suspension jobs valley my own. My own thing tested a lot with Tommy Week You know a little bit with Ryan and a few of my other writers. Do that come up and do a little bit little bit here. And it's been awesome dude just kinda like trying to bring back. What what we did on teams to just more of an amnesty for local level. Which is nice. You know I'm not always at the track hard to hit everyone but I try to do the best Ikin. How'd you get into that? How did you get interested in that? Who taught you back in the day after you hung the boots up or were you doing that kind of stuff when you were racing. Still no no man you know when we had our our deal with rob. Rg Three you remember him. He's doing all our stuff at FM F.A.S.T. But he was working alongside with Honda. At the time. I think around that time I believe so. It really started just testing. I love test. I love to test motors screen. I love to test the suspension. Like I was I loved it so like I know the guys relied on me a little bit more on the testing citing enjoyed it and then I think after we You know after all the years I think it was just an interest in is called rob up one day after my wife carrying I got married. I moved down to California and two weeks later here. I was energy three so really I learned from raw but I understood the mechanics and the mechanics of it. Internally of the test I caught the concept of it. I just didn't know how to work on it at the time or do the tear downs right without applied yet is there. There aren't many people that are smarter than Rob Hendrickson in the motorcycle industry. That's a good guy to learn from. Now there's not and it was nice tests a little bit z back in the day because the Monster Cup like what we did What was it the Monster Cup? Now it was at the MGM US Open. Yeah yeah the US Open so that first or second year. That I did our ziggy. Did me a set of suspension for that so I worked with Ziggy for short time. Just for that okay. Oh cool. Awesome at factory connects you. That's good yeah so you were you down the so cal for awhile. When did you move back up there to start? Jam Are really in two thousand ten. I just had an opportunity. It wasn't something I was thirteen. Four it just kind of happened. Got A call from a guy worked at Service Department and Beaver to motorcycles. His name was Paul Favor and then a couple of other buddies were working there and they kind of shocked me out an idea of what they wanted to do locally and so I kind of talking with wife and I didn't know if there was a smart thing to do or something that we needed a change or you know it was about the time you'll economy was down in you know it was something that was starting to come back a little bit back then. I don't know it was just. I think we needed a change. In an exchange I can never settle like with much. It seems like like I always got to be doing something different or something new or whatever. The case is slow and here we are. I mean we. I spent two years away from my family. They say in California to try to get it up and going. That was rough. I'd go home. Maybe once a month and yeah it was. It was rough there for. I mean it's still was referee but when I moved them back up here so but this was the second time I moved her. In in the kids up the first time was with. Rg Three when we outsource. Rg three out of motorsport. Hillsborough with Scott Russell. Okay okay so that lasts that one about a year and then after that we moved back. Yeah we moved back then moved down to Menefee and rented David Elements House actually working with David Owen. At the time when he had his factory Suzuki Right. I do not think of you as a so-called guy. Jason maybe you are but I don't think that's that's you you know it's okay. It was easier for me to move and but the problem I have is. I like having all four seasons in California. There isn't a there's only there's only two and that's hot real hot and like hold dusty in. Yeah yeah well it's good. I'm glad things are going businesses doing okay despite the the slowdown right. Now you told me Yeah yeah this really slow. I mean it's I figured we would take a hit and you know I'm willing to like you know. Do whatever it took to help anybody could but you know it's actually his gotten better like you know and I just know everybody you know is working or if they got the time off as good time to get things done. The motorcross season comes back and go and again. So that's it's it's awesome so I'll just stay at my little tiny house for a few days during the week. Go home for a night. Come back for a few more days and then keep going till right. That's awesome. That's good to hear. Are you still riding much? Do you get out you test. It do you test no fat. I wait I'm now I'm to have and I don't feel the need like I don't WanNa go out on the track and for my just to go have fun even and feel everything jiggle in in Gigolo around I just ate it yes when I quit racing I literally quick wit Riad idea and WanNa be around the sport anymore and that lasted eight months and then my wife and I got married with calvary in and I got. I got one twenty five. That was that display motor sport. It was it was the. Fms Honda Replica. Mike Okay for ninety eight but it was a buddy of mine josh streets regional bike okay. So but you know. We put a lot of good parts on that bike. Yeah there are a lot of good parts that got on Josh's bike when that when on a semi when you all you guys were up here and you got. I think he went to Dave Rigs. How sue at that time? Didn't to build bikes. No dot point. I was working for Danny Smith. He got injured and I was off the road. I'd go to Loretta. 's for the quad nationals and Loretto for the amateur nationals. I was doing was back in California. Yeah runs Danny. Smith got hurt early in the year. I was done for the for the season. Okay that's right I grab remember I remember. Everybody came up yup to to Dave's house and they're building bikes out known in front of his house in the coldest sack quite funny seeing the rates going down the road seeing the semi setting out of Dave's house near it all these races. Yeah Really Right I. It's funny I'm Gonna. Things are going well for you that way for sure. And it's funny because Ryan Hoffman. Of course running shoe will now and and you're based out of there and it's just funny. How Youtube is bang bars ever? And now you're both making a living in the industry and everything else. I think that's pretty funny that you guys can't get away from each other no matter what you do. Yeah I know right I mean we spend that probably what ten to twelve years? Yeah being out you know what being in California or you know. He's doing what he's doing but then we all came right back together him managing the track. I started my little business doing suspension and the testing. And all that here. We are all back together again. And you know I'm doing Ryan stuff for him and I'm doing Brendan's his sons. And you know obviously Tommy Week. Tommy Tommy's bid Tom he's been a real big one big test or for me like you know. I'd like to try new things to try. That and and Tommy's great. He's very picky and and Very and it was nice to have him or even educate him even more to be more picky. Because the pick your then that means that something else I can that is good or bad or changing underway to change and that type of thing so that that aspect of things for me here local Gives me a real big variety of an outs- outside on everything for just the average rider? Can you still bounce stuff off? Rob You keep in touch with them. You can bounce some ideas off of you. Come up with something. I haven't talked to rob since. Gosh Dang it was Seattle two thousand fourteen. I think it was. I ran into him. I you know he was doing a lot. I think he was He might still been doing Suzuki Steph. Curry might have been worth. Ktm doing stuff. I haven't seen him for a while. Honestly I'm not sure I need to reach out to see I was doing and I haven't I haven't you know I just I'm busy with life. You know how you got your kids y trying to run small business and then now I haven't now okay so let's go on a time machine a little bit. Let's go back. Let's go back into into racing so you grown up the Pacific northwest strong racing community from Chuck Sun the Larson Brothers to land snail. Always fast guys probably forgetting some in there somewhere but when do you remember like getting good on a motocross bike and thinking this is what you WanNa do and you want to race professionally. And all that I don't remember you as an amateur McCormick. If you did really well read as or anything. But how did you amateur stuff start? We went down See for the world many. I think it was about nineteen eighty four. I believe okay. I started racing in eighty. Two May Have Eighty two mayors university to plan so after about ten months of Racine And you know recent PR local event. Here I went from beginner. Beginner to a sixty expert when they still had expert class that Okay and then we started venturing out and running bulky and wash your goal in a few tracks and then that's when we met Ryan and the Huffman's and you know he was doing the fifty sixty thing but he was you know him and I at that time Grew up in. They do more of the traveling than we were in the beginning but we he was fast and I was able to get his speed at a quick adequate time at a quicker pace. It seemed so back in eighty four. We went to world minis I believe that was in at the time that was In Orange County what What the heck was back the tunnel. Back Saddleback Yeah. So that was my first amateur national back then and I had one. I was leading I think that I believe it was the stock class. Sixty stock class. Okay that was Jimmy Button. Was there As we're less was there and I was beating. I went like I would like to one. And then I if I was leading the third race and if I would have wanted I would have got championship over those guys. And those were the top guys you know. Ezra how team Green Bay. Alright Cowie at the time. But now the Honda Wri he was on his CR sixty and my crafts and my bike went start and my dad threw a fit and cow. We were talking to CAL sake about getting a team green ride during that because I was beating their. I mean those guys are huge back. Then yeah for sure they were. Yeah and so you know I kind of lost sat. Saw in eighty eight is when I got my team. Green right saw on a getting off. It was right after I had won the sixty. Stop Class Net Loretta and I beat. Ezra Lusk in the sixty stop class and and I think I got second in the Maude that year. And you like forcing fest in the eighty class because we wrote also a back when we can ride you know four or five classes now. You can only right too right so I mean we were multitasking for sure. Would you hold your dad? Do for a living. He was kind of everything. Bill RIGHT MILL. Light a millwright and well. You know millwright at trait welder. I mean he was kind of a Jack of all trades really you. He was the guy that a lot of people would come to help work on bikes. And you know he had his you know they had their fun weekend. We all had our fun weekends so he had his buddy crowd that got together every weekend at the track and you know throwdown beers and the party when the their group got together. It was party So you were. You were pretty fast and as an amateur. I just don't remember that. But he sounds like yeah you were. You're on point now. Are you in Ryan racing together as a little ahead of you is the same class we race? We raced in the same class. Yea did he say that. That's the same year to he was actually a young enough so even ride that fifty. Maude he had some jacked up fifty dude that had like these fifty nowadays like the KT in the huskies do. That's what his fifty was back. Then as a from A to Z. This all done up just totally. It was it was pretty bad ass. Ralph Ralph spread the money to buy pretty bad ass did have been or were they doing something else. I don't know exactly at that time. They were running. Clark's France down in Roseburg. Okay all right you know. I can't remember the exact when Ralph Ralph so Ralph went partners with Leeches at the time to buy Wash Ugo and then you know then that they all Ralston solely bought it from that point. But Gosh Dang it. It's gotta be early nineties. I would assume yup if I remember right because I remember working up here and bill helping build the old amateur start. My Dad and I built that whole starting okay. The whole thing like my dad I built at so you know and I asked about the time. I think when Ralph was buying. I think he was buying it or something like that. Did you always? How far did you live from Chicago growing up? Most you know I think maybe the farthest was maybe a half an hour away out about okay. So that's your track growing up. I mean we're going to get into your. We're going to get into your results there at the national stuff of course. But you've always always read that place just your whole your whole life. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah he's come up during the week pouncing laps and Moto's the L. Yeah that's pretty cool. That's a nice nice way too quick to on a national level track so okay so you've got a team green ride in eighty eight and then at that point are you like. Hey I want to make a living at motorcross I WANNA do. This is what I want to do. Yeah Yeah it was for me. I guess that's all I wanted to do. Then I mean I really wanted to play soccer. Soccer was like something I really wanted to do. But I couldn't do it. We started doing a lot more traveling but it was only reason. I was able to do a lot of the stuff that I did was because of Ralph anne-caroline because we ended up traveling with them so when we didn't have the money we didn't you know there if it wasn't for them supporting what for me to go I would have never done any of it ever really awesome. Okay so no. We don't never done it so it was something I was saying before and I at a young age I wanted to show that appreciation and the thank you for Ralph and Caroline and for my parents to sacrifice a lot of what they could do so yeah and then Eighty nine or eighty seven is when I won that the sixty five stock broker. And then you know few years go by three titles Loretta. Zen One is a schoolboy class and the tooth fifty intermediate. Okay all right so yeah. You're you're on the way you're getting support from Cowley and all of that. Yeah so I am a teammate. Green writing eighty eight eighty nine. Then I just went through that growing spurt. Indiana's on my head all the time seriously so fourteen. Then I got Arnold one twenty five Fokker so Ralph helped with that. He got me to one twenty five for a while and then. Raf Bob even a to fifty even two fifty pin. So you know Ryan moved up and we're moved up and Ralph was and like I say Ralph. Carol were a huge supporters. That's Awesome. Yeah supporting me for many many years. Oh that's awesome. Do you remember a guy named Danny Elvin used to race? Yeah Dan actually. Yeah yeah he was fast man. He's a little bit ahead of you. I would've guessed but He came up to Canada and eighty eight and kicked our asses. That Loretta Lynn's of Canada. And and then Duty whole shot while Chicago one year and stuff. Yeah he was really fast so yeah. He was a little problem with empty. When did you first? Yeah Him in California for like maybe a week or two. Okay so you really make your Mark Ninety three. Is that your first year pro first year. Pro Okay yes. So you're on a Honda. Five hundred and for me as a guy that just following the series nineteen ninety-three. I'm still up in Canada and I mean you get six that broom you got eight to wash. Ugo like to me came out of nowhere. What did you ride supercross a little bit that year? Did you raise them to fifty nationals? Or what did you do now? It so when I found out when I found out that ninety three was going to be the last year. The seeds the five hundred nationals. That was something I always wanted to. Do you know watching award in Johnston all these guys. Johnny Marion in everyone on these bill bikes found. That's like do I want to be on five hundred right. Yeah it's so. It took a lot to actually kind of make that happen. And you're talking to parents into it for one seventeen. You know seventeen years old trying to talk to this international like this. You know this is not gonna be any more and I had to convince bones at pro circuit and had to convince Mitch Payton. Okay 'cause they. They were midst built. The motor boasted the suspension. And so we have you know. It was a collaboration of a lot of people saying okay so you were you. Were off cowboys. At this point you decided the Hondas. Okay Yeah I was on Honda's in a ninety okay. All right so you stayed on. Hondas right got it so I mean look. Obviously she goes your home track and all of that but you got eight though Roger. I ever national like. I mean that. That was your first national right ever. That was yeah that was my first I ever and Astle was ninety. Three hundred five hundred got four from the first moto. Yeah and I know yeah forty third the whole till the last few laps. Stanton got me. You were like She this is. This shit's easy easy. It's just happened to like when you. It's one of the things when you when you. I thrive on pressure. Excitement saw that person that will fold under pressure. I strive under like there's some about pressure for me that always. I always overcame and used it for me to do something so I never buckled under it at all ever fans are going nuts. Remember that they probably was so funny. Yeah that's what helps. You could see them. And it's like no energizer keeps you like in that mental mind like do all ask Smell Sill beach you in the overall though because you had a bad second motorised twelve actress. Yeah but but do when you look at that like I look at that and I'm just again home track but then two weeks later at broome you get sixth overall you go five seven like. That's way legit so you've been stoked. I was stoked because it wasn't home. Yeah it was. It wasn't home everybody was attract that I always Gosh it's just a doubt. I doubt too because you know not beaner ever for the first time but some about that dirt in somehow rougher got isn't it suited me you wrote on twenty five's forever after this but did you rod hundreds of lot. Were you good on a five hundred like did you like? Did you enjoy the week? Oh Yeah we still basically. It was about ninety two. I believe they have the series up here at the time. Call so Ryan and I would run away thirty five and two fifty but then you know when I was trying to convince everybody on the five hundred Hillsborough motorcycle at the time when Gary Rowe owner it got me a five hundred. Okay so he he dan mode one for me and so I had a five hundred actually probably when I was what sixty turning seventy or attorney fifteen to sixteen when I had one. Yeah so we would do the PAC west on so I ran three classes a lot of the times during our local series to make a lot of contingency money to help pay for whatever right right I was. I've been riding it for probably a good solid year so I I had. I had all three bikes to Hondas right around that time but I practice on the five hundred a lot because they don't want to wear out the other bikes so I would just ride the five hundred during the week. I was like I'll just I'll eating in third gear. And just you know right around the track so well at first we. The five hundred was a training tool my mentality was if I can write something that big and that much power and gain the strength and build a ride out. What is what is it. GonNa do for me when I fifteen or twenty five owner. It'd be like I can handle the crap out of it right so now when I thought I thought about that even back then so not easy buddy training me. Nobody tells me what I want. Yeah Yeah Smart. Smart so you know and I was thinking Loretta so I was thinking Polka. I was thinking all these amateur vets you know before I turned pro that I wanted to be like bill the last in the heat. I wanted to be able to be strong. So and that's kind of mentality on that five hundred Rur -pired into the five hundred miles from because that was the last year. And it just makes sense to me in my mind so to two top tens in three nationals. Gets you any help for ninety four? Nothing no you know what it did for me. It was it helped with sponsors like I. You know here's tires you name it. Whatever graphics you run a new at this point are you? Are you guys still right at this point Thank you know. Four so no ninety four. I wasn't UFO. Yeah Yeah Yeah I remember. That was the first year first year. Ufo Any national number forty one even because points carried over from the five hundred to twenty five so they they wasn't just divided from one twenty five to two fifty or however they do it. Yeah it was just a you got your total points. That's the number. Yeah exactly Oh almost wish. They went back to that a little bit is. It's me in ninety four. You only race three races. You get hurt no just. We couldn't afford it. It's crazy. Yeah Yeah Steel City while shoe go in Anaheim. Yeah that's pretty much it. That's when I got to know bill bill okay. The following year ninety five. I stayed down at bills for Gosh all winter. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. Probably from like October to the lease mayor May June. Okay live with bill and I did that for two two solid years. Okay and so what helped was Jeff Jeff and bill really involved with factory Honda? Then there were lambing. Lanston and Henry's bikes and they're doing all the dyno testing all the motor testy. Wa was a big part of their testing program. Then that's how a lot of that fast fired for me to go to California and then understand more able to train more in an understand motors. And then it's like. Oh my God dude. Imagine if Adam Motor that I could race and be competitive with. Yeah you know and it was great. That's got to meet a lot of those cliff white. That's how yeah cliff Michael Hooker back then too and Mike. Yeah met along the Subaru Crosstrek as I did pre-testing for them out at the Honda Trap. Okay I didn't know that okay. No yeah nobody. So what were you doing in ninety five or you just in a pickup. Or what were you doing? Oh yeah grew drove my truck down there. Okay got it yeah. Bill had a room and you know him and his wife took me in and it was like it was just like going to your family's house. They are so often. You know bill you know how Nice Bill and quite bill is like he's just so awesome. You Got Third at Wash U. Mike Brown one. You've got third what you remember about that day. Remember that day was oh boy. There was a party it was it was amazing dude like I was playing all these factors in my head and it's like I knew where had to be and as long as I got good starts which I did that you know as long as I keep a steady pace and don't buckle and everything will be fine and so that's about the time that was about the year I think that's the same year that they started doing a privateer awards thing. Yeah what My mom was telling me that there were people less right going up there and donated for travel fun to go and finish off the national sleep. Really Cool Yeah. It was only a couple hundred bucks and then when I I guess when I was the second moto in the top tier pretty much wrapped up as long as I don't land on my head people. I guess we're going up there in donating donate nice and he told me this later like I. It was all done so and I was able to go and finish the rest of the nationals. Here did you. Did you get some help from Honda at all like just backdoor stuff like part the back door got do? My motives were awesome. Bill and Jeff did the motorized cliff cliff know through down. You know some some parts. Yeah they help we. There was some other little trick things that you know. They were doing that. I had and made sure that they weren't on the bike when by got sold so that got sent back to Honda. So Eh the privateer did get a few things in. It wasn't a lot but was something that definitely was beneficial cliffs cliffs. Smartest guy out there. He's Super Super Smart. So Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Hook too right. Yeah Hooker building pipes ninety six Kawasaki. Ut Up with my buddy for net or do you get. Kelly helped as a dealership up there. Step up why do you switch to couch? Well that was at the time. So that was for Danny Alva default for orgeon. Okay so that's sort of the west coast supercross. It wasn't anything 'cause you're wanting to do their little program team thing you know and Danny was hurt. Janice hurry couldn't race and So they just kind of asked me if I wanted to write some calories for the West Coast and now heck yeah so I I did you know. I don't think I did very well but did you like. Did you meet for knit beforehand? Or how did that for net came together with Danny Somehow? But how does that get youtube or in a box together? Yeah we so I came down in a like a cargo van right. Yeah so he was just like in the cargo van and I just I think I met him down in California. Actually yeah and I know Danny was the Albans helped him out. I know they stayed with Danny. He'd stayed with Danny for quite a while. And then you know for net and I just started riding together to that guy. Was this awesome super. Nice he's one of a kind. Who ISN'T HE SPASM? But he's a Super Rad that I met. Yeah Yeah you're awesome like we just make it. We just we just hit it off. Yeah Yeah you guys are in a box van together. It was all tricked out. And you probably don't remember this but I worked for you at highpoint that year ninety six. Yes yes yes yes because I needed help for. Pernet naira buddies we used to race against each other yeah. I came down to try to be a mechanic from Canada. Wannabe professional mechanic failed as a racer and for net was like well. I don't have any money but McCormack who I'm traveling with you and I had met you. Mccormack might need somebody for the race day. And I'm like Oh really so we met. And you're like yeah. Hey I'll pay you one hundred. I don't even remember one hundred bucks. Whatever it was your bike was already done. Just had to guess it change filter that kind of stuff basically babysitting me at the gate and you went fourteen fourteen. I remember that and I remember. Just being like this is awesome. This is so awesome is what I want to do. The rest of my life like I was so stoked. And you're the first guy ever worked for. Oh Wow yeah awesome. Yeah and then and then I was like hey let's let's race Let's can I keep working for you and you're like I'm going home. I'm not I'm not doing the rest of the nationals. And I was like Oh so bomb but but I remember like being down there with all the you know Guzzler and all these guys and it just being like. Yeah like you were good fourteen. Fourteen is legit and I remember thinking like this is so cool. This is amazing. So yeah McCormick. You were your gateway for me to be a mechanic. Wow that's so awesome beard and then we ended up on the same team in ninety eight two years later on the same team exactly. Yeah that was fun for net was God was a piece of work man the stories. I have with him the ones that I can't even tell on the air but oh God I can only imagine. I imagine what that guy that year he was killing it that year to fifty nationals. He was doing really well just outside of the top ten and he tried to jump the Rocco's leap in the mud case. That Torres Thumb Ligaments all the shit and that was it. But but that was it. That's that was the kind of ending factor for him one. Yeah Yeah. It started having a lot of thumb problems at that year. But man he got eleven that hang down or something that year but he was doing a good job the next year ninety seven. You're on a Yamaha. Your number fifty two and dude. Who's doing your motors. Who is that guy? What was that guy's name Velasco Dude? They were sick. They were shot in this shit out of racist on that thing. Yeah that stood. That bike was amazing. Yeah the only downfall about that whole thing is nothing to do with your Rossett in Zoar. Anything that those guys put the thing was that Mike was so fast. I'm able to hang onto the suspension work till probably halfway mark either. Faded too much in. That bike was so powerful due to. It's just it didn't gel very well after half half way to the end. Yeah I was only able to hang onto for showed thing like I think. My best was to last lasting. I used to carry. Put a watch on my crossbar pad with Velcro strap and I would always know in time myself at a certain time by looking at it and it was always about the twenty to twenty five minute mark and I knew like Oh my God I'm GonNa I can't hang on well. Yeah there's a bike Suspension works really well but only to appoint after half about half ways and it was. It was just all over the place. I'm just think that Mike was so fast that it was just the combination wasn't clicking. I think if I actually actually did testing back in ninety seven that whole package would have been different like I would love to motor package but this suspension in right with Ross would have been a lot. That was a good bike the ninety seven Yamaha. Tv Goodbye for sure to and Dude You. You pulled so many starts. Oh my God McCormack. You're a front all the time. Ufo Gear pious fifty two. It was great. Yeah I was still like Ryan really right. Yeah that was. That was good. That was a fastback ninth goal of course that year. I remember I worked for Thai Birdwell so I got a job with bird while the next year through. Frenette REMEMBER HIM. Yes and it was local here. Yeah and he got Velasco to do the motor and I remember we went there and I was like Oh dude. Mccormack's bike is so sick. If it sounded sick to remember how throaty it sounded member. Just I don't know how much compression you had in that thing just sounded so bad ass and Velasco was like I'm not going to give you the McCormick stuff and we're we cowie's not saying bike and what. Weenie and I remember him saying you don't have enough money for the McCormack stuff. Like what would I do for Jason Special? We were like. Let's give them or something like that. It was funny so ninety eight. You've got to ask them F- Honda Ride. How does that come about? Who Approaches you one does that? Does that come together okay? So I'm going to go back to ninety seven real quick. Yeah so you know I did. You know back then we were able to do one. Twenty five and fifty and supercross remember. Yeah you can ride it whether or not you're doing east or West but you're able to double up and ride the two fifty classroom. Also so I did that a lot. I often I part of the year. I did have an antibody supercross So we went to Dayton no it was Gainesville they ran gainesville about INMAN middle of Yup. So it was. It was a chore. Get NEAR RIGHT. We had rig troubles you know. Billy Bean's clean. I travel to clear. Yeah Yeah So. We traveled together. My van broke down. His Dad came and saved us. We finally make it but do we were going on over thirty hours nonstop. Just make and we made it on. Practice Day so You know I did not have of Alaska Motor yet. Okay okay so this is this to practice Mike. Luba more no race bike Lou and then I put a practice motor in that to finish the weekend I finished tenth in the first outdoor. Yeah so that was the time I pretty much was gonNA quit. That was when my dad died. Was like that weekend. But wasn't really yeah. It was that weekend being in. Gainesville is when my dad was gone I got a call I call. I was so excited. I WanNa Call My dad and then I got the news. I was literally. I was literally going to quit. I was like I was done. You know he was my ride or die for sure. I depend on him for everything like all of us. Kids TEENAGERS DO WHEN. Your Dad knows pretty much everything. So you know I was on a trouser crossroads man and I HAVE TO SAY THEY I. I you know what save new was Doug Henry really because He he pretty much That's he pretty much forced me to come and stay at his place. Okay Yeah because I had stayed there actually doug you met him through bills and all that back then I guess. Yeah yes I would the pre Like Ninety six ninety five. I stayed at Doug's and that's how I started. Learn how to trade like I you. I didn't know how to you know I just wrote. All I did was black. That's all so that's how that's how that ninety-seven transpired was really because of the and in in getting Kinda trying to get my mind right in. Her mind was never right. Not for the longest time. I went from this happy-go-lucky joking dude. Nobody pissed off. All the time and started hating people started I was I had that he took a lot. So I don't know whether I channeled it to you know race and what I got on the throughout the ninety seven season. I don't know I I don't know I was just by myself. I just took my dog iron left. What's the dogs? And then you know. We had a really successful outdoor season here at top privateer that year and I say and then talking with a few the guys at Smith on teen that for the following year What was Danny LaPorte and yeah? It was Bobby Moore Bobby. Moore's manager I talked to them. They're okay so I talk to them at Millville and at the national and originally the head coach Ryan. I did okay. Yeah they approach and I and then he decided to take the Zinke the primary he. He was crushing on Tom. Morgan Cowie number forty seven. Yeah Yeah you guys together. Actually both were like really good privateers. Yeah yes so. Brian like really got top tier and supercross that year and I got a for outdoor. He got super outdoor. Yeah due to the North West. That was cool and Ryan. I've told this story a few times that year and Supercars Birdwell and Dude Ryan would jump stuff before factory guys would for reals. I saw like he would bust stuff out. You're like Holy Shit. Like dude he was good jumper. Yeah he was funny about that as I'd always let I always make sure to have him jumps up. I would do try to go ahead anything. So okay so yeah. Ryan was GONNA primal so then. Oh yeah that's how that actually then transpired because Ryan decided he wanted to go to Zouqi the primal deal with Roger cost her at the time and so then. That's how I got my math right because then it was either Ryan or me so if I did that then I was going to have the Mafra really. That's the only thing I had so if Ryan took the mapfre if I wouldn't have right bittersweet for you your dad passes away and you get this Honda factory ride. Is You know that's a little bit. But you finally get rewarded for your efforts right. There's always the same century we always talked about it. Yeah absolutely I would imagine right now. I didn't join the team till later on the two mechanics fired. Now's a shit show and me and Dave got hired Dave. Raise your body yet. We are the same time and I remember. They said to me. Do you WanNa work for Danny Smith J McCormack and I was like I. I work for j McCormack. 'cause I worked for them before and they were like. Oh you can't the next day they're like you can't and I'm like okay. All Right forget it. I thought you gave me a choice but I guess not but then I was like pick. Danny you know. And that's and then we came on the team and first of all ninety eight Honda's aluminum frame not very fast. Not very good likes. No I mean God I remember Varner was motor guy. My cooker was there. Hooker would always tell us jet the bikes one way. Varner would tell us jet the bikes the other way Sheikh. She hated Bobby. Moore always fighting. Always arguing. Dysfunctional team. Wasn't it? Jason was for it supposed to be the factory one twenty five team. It was very funny. Yeah Yeah I mean that's what it was supposed to be. Yeah Yeah you know when we went to Honda. You're well no. You didn't have the meeting with hundreds fine with us all with the Honda and we sat down and this was the one twenty-five factory team. And we're at that point your fucking bitch and do kid peak peak pro circuit lamps in Henry. This is going to be amazing right. Yeah Oh exactly. All I thought about doing. We're going to have motors like that. Because I know what those voters were back in ninety five and six. I was part of that. Rnd Yeah Yeah So. I'm thinking in my head at this point like dude. We're going to have that shit. It's going to be so pitching turns out the freaking eighty five or faster than our moon. It wasn't good. Aluminum frame choked off their boot and a weird funky sucking air through the intake and we had to bind the ninety five cylinders boy. They weren't good. Yeah well you know it's funny about all. That was Bobby Moore. Jump on the bike. I mean that guy can ride it. Yeah he was fast. Yeah he's still was fast every yes you are right. Yeah he was. He was faster still. He's fascinated at all. I remember Gorman one day we were all out of Gorman and he was fastest guy out of everybody and she lost. She lost his mind. Yeah I was like dude. This bitching are freaking team. Enters or faster than not I sit up our head of her ass but like I told these guys numerous times even bobby and Bobby d spikes or the worst bikes ever going to be honest with you. That's not what I expected a factory team. Yeah and I was honest with them. I said he goes. Yeah but I can write it but dude you're writing. Ability is so much is so much farther than ours. It seems like and you're retired. I mean you were experienced so much stuff still like does young kids still. He goes. Well you should be faster than I am. I said I get it. I understand that we should be but we're not and I'm not comfortable with this. I think the bike socks and I know what we're testing a couple of years ago with Clinton these C. C. You were coming from a different spot like you knew the by the Hondas one hundred could be right. Yeah and I don't know how much I was doing. All the testing after the supercross track and then we went to HP see. Did all the testing narrow. I'm like dude. This is a little better but I kept telling so I would try to get my cooker aside away from Barner we all Varner like it was like the the couldn't put a helmet on his head. Yeah it was a magic mechanic. Varner would be it'd be like. Hey what made you have on your bike? You'd be like one seventy two. Why do you have a one seventy two because my cooker told me to put a one seventy eight and you're like okay and then hooker comes by jet your bike? Why do you have a one seven because Varner told me to? And then you're just like fucked my life like as a mechanic you're like these guys hate each other. You know so I know they. They did to totally because apparently apparently cliff said. This is what I heard from somebody. That team cliff said. Here's lampson motor do this and Varner was like Nah. I got this I got. It didn't work so and it didn't work out that way. And I told my mic hooker. This is not working. No way inhaling said you know what you know two years ago when I when we did the stuff with bill and all this stuff and I know what those Moore's heels I know that this is nowhere even on the same planet. This is not even competitive so I don't even know how like how this is going to turn out whilst the SEASON STARTS. We're not going to be competitive to yeah. Yeah so into move on from that. You know here we start. The season ended up. Why fifth it at the cost fifty fifty four for a while Fast I mean we have some good rides but it was dude literally having a ride the bike so much differently than you normally would want to revive and also to be fair to Varner. The aluminum frame jacked up the motors. Well the you know when you were writing their steel framed and they had a little bit different design. But still yeah. Well then we ran to fifty boots. Didn't yeah so your mechanic got fired. Along with Brent Myron at some point right yeah. GonNa fight or something headbutted each other. I don't remember that's how mean Dave got hired. Well okay so my mechanic. He got fired because he was snorting coke. I didn't know that okay. Yeah he was. He was high all the time until he's from Brazil right so he got let go. And that's when we got hired at the same time because this guy and Brent Meyer and got in a fight or something so yeah If Yeah so Brent. Britney Brett ended up getting fired. So that's win. Yes that was like through mid service. What Super Midway supercross we both came on? Yeah Yeah so. You didn't know this so we were already in talk with border or not martyred but Mike Velasco. Okay on the side. No nobody even newest. Not even Dean Dean Gibson. Was the mechanic Dean worked for Ping. Yeah Yeah Yeah so they. All you guys didn't even know this at all and less and less. You finally figured it out during outdoors but we set. I had to like to practice bikes. Okay so I sat both of those Motorsport Motors to Velasco born with extra cylinders next year. Heads every I bought extra stuff just to have so when when you guys were in the semi and you guys were back east. Remember the shopping. You guys in Ohio Iraq seller. Yeah Ben David I had spare cylinders heads all that stuff to build the motor thinking it was still F- motor which none of it was and I remember sitting there when we're running at all. You guys look over asses. Ours was the only one that sounded totally different from everybody else. He you know. I remember that now. I didn't know what was going on. But something shady was going on because yeah the way. Dave would build his bike. He wouldn't put his motoring or or like I don't remember like he was. He would put his motor on a different time than other people or he would like remember. There was something going on. Yeah one part. They're not one part of that. Motor was Velasco. When when did you switch that? When what time was that? When was that that was a super cross? And did anybody catch you? Did anybody? No not one person unless Dave said something like Dean. I know I know Dave and Dean became pretty good buddy right right so I really don't know if D. knew about it. Nobody knew it. We almost got caught because we were at we were. We were at a fake being at Ted and we Jay was doing some charity. And then we got got it on. That thing sounded. Yeah and Varner comes go. See what do you have in that? They told me the story goes I. Just you know whatever trying to get this. You know like a once again editor ever this needle and all in all you got to put this listen this so dave acted like he got it. Put it in and then didn't put it in obviously and But you can clearly say he goes. He Goes Jay. He goes like this. He Goes Jay. We have I have everybody looking at me. I even have the Honda guys looking at me funny. Because they know that's left the motor real literally were called out almost got caught. Yeah that's crazy. I remember some us. Go and what's going on with that like something's going on but maybe I thought it was a cylinder. Maybe not a whole motor but I do remember learning dude. That's funny but then see. We had Motors from the that. Were in the race bike. Then set to me. Dave sent them to me. To put in the practice bikes. Yeah well and then again. The next year volen show no volen goes maybe two thousand voting rights and at some point. Bolan GETS MOTORS FROM ITALY. And just drop them in. You know he was there in ninety nine ninety nine so yeah he just gets motives from. Italy's he's so fed up. He just does what you did. I guess it gets really that's awesome. That's crazy I assume you would have connections. Yeah Bikes for fast. Yeah I just was It was NFL and Donny. Juniors a good friend of mine and they weren't ready. They weren't ready at all to do it. They were behind. It was a combination of that. A combination bad production. Bike and yeah. It was no chassis. Really Jack that whole thing up it really did but did so ninety. Nine US didn't stay there. You went to planet the planet so I literally wanted off the infamous knowing that sucks right totally because that's factory. Honda like you. Don't you WanNa stay with you know factory Honda and it's like Honda. You know dude. I got as a mechanic and I was like what the Hell is going on here. One-point FM F- told me. Hey you know you got the job come to California. We got a house for you to stay in. You can stay in this house and everything else and I show up at the house. It's full of South Africans. There's no room for me. I'm sleeping in a race shop on an air mattress and I'm like thinking this is this is factory. Honda really. I'm an air mattress. I got I'm just like Oh my God. It was brutal. You Dave do that in the shop. Yes Dave stayed there too. Yep Yep that was rough dude. Those were some rough times even in Ohio. Yeah Yeah exactly so planning Honda calls you. Yeah so ninety nine. I worked at our point. A truck that was going to be their first year was ninety. Nine Yeah Gosh it another name Blah Blah Blah but leases Honda also? That was the satellite team wasn't a factor team but Alexey. Even though I did get a few more parts you know from from cliff and then firmer those guys but Varner was going to be doing the motors and I told Shaw who owned. The team has had no ethene wages. I'm starting I said this is how I gotTa do it and explain to them what we did. Yeah I said I had to have either Velasco do it or having bills pipe do it or build. We still had to run the aftermath pilots. And all that stuff. So I I had said apply for silencer that I thought worked best for me to to Mike Velasco okay. So my bike for good all year all year long. Those bikes are good. Dave dated off on them. They're always always tuned. I mean they were. That was my best year to be honest. That was my best year started off. Okay Yeah I wasn't always the supercross rider dude like I had to work extremely hard in supercross. Even though I like to jump I liked the rhythm. It's just never came to be outdoor was minding work my thing so like I always looked forward outdoors. Come I would agree with that for sure for you. Yeah absolutely while shoe course win the second motor third overall. God I was. I was working for ferry. That day at Chaparral so I was a different class but man. That place was losing their mind with you. Winning that Moto Guy was off. Ricky was coming. Ricky was coming he but. I'll tell you I'm going to back you up racist before that okay. Okay so but it's creek when it was muddy that day massacre wherever running alley so that was it that seemed to that was not quite the turning point but it was a starter of knowing. Hey you know what I can lead and I knew the muddy anyway so Butts Creek. I had like a forty five second lead two laps and then when you go up the hill and he hit the finish line at the time was on top of the hill. Okay I got a rock stuck in my chain and like Oh my God here comes. Here comes brock and in here comes. Volun- is no shit. Dude I swear to God soon as they got right behind me. The Rock came out. It's like good like holding me back when I pulled out another forty five seconds bike blew up okay. So that in my mind was good even. Yeah and I gotta go even back to Mount Morris Dude because Mount Morris. I didn't ricky got the whole shot thinker second and I started like fifth or sixth or somewhere in there and got in a second. I was catching him. And now it's like dude. Energize me do like f a focus. That really didn't ever have crazy and I was catching my knock. Like four seconds down to two and they had that little freaking dip in the bottom corner in the back. I started jumping. Those willing and jumping over. The right and Ricky wasn't quite doing that yet. Now is real woman right there. Well I happen to skip the Little Hump and they ended in over the dip and I went off the track like I killed myself. I took the seal post for KALPA. I bent that thing out. I took the or you know the construction pen it out and then happen. They even know do. There was a creek literally. I was like five feet going into the little Paul on whatever they shit that was start but it gave me some confidence. Yeah confidence thing you know and I had some good motos never. It was never put one good weekend. It seemed to have one automotive crafts. You know maybe a fourteenth or twelfth. I'd get financing a seventh. And then you look at your results. You gotta fifty got a third. You GotTa Six Thirty Eight Than Twenty eight thousand thirty. Yeah guys. All over. The Damn border checks so delic- came out did it. So when you'RE GONNA. Happen crashed three times in that one. Motive in that one moto so when that happen I thought it was all over with right. So second. Modal CAME OUT DUDE. I attack got in the got into lead pulled out twenty seconds literally twenty seconds a notice around me and I do. I told in my mind. I have this in the bag. I got it in the bag so I it was probably two laps ago. Did I see Ricky? I kept pacing myself. He was catching. He was definitely catching me. But I didn't think he would have me into laugh so he caught me in one. My dumb ass backed up a little bit afraid. I was going to do something stupid. Well what I did stupid was. I didn't go one hundred percent. That was my mistake. Yeah Nanny gets me down. That fricking Hill looks at me. That's right yeah all right dude. I looked after that race so after that race I thought about it the next day or even that day probably sitting at the sandwich suits you know what I had a split second accuser. Just pop the clutch really right over. The top of my should have done so he passed me. We get the white flag and dude. I was pissed dude so I just stayed on a multi. Hopefully he's screw up win. The second motorised got second. I told myself that not I learned that lesson in a preach it even the state. Never give up until the checkered flag right. You never never never never give even if you go down five hundred times. You never give up today at the checkered flag. So when she came around you know that was something that okay I if I give myself from position Dude I want to try to either when this thing or at least win one moto and first I mode you. I see. I went from probably but panther eleventh twelfth and got in a fist and I jumped off the track off the truck son okay. So he doesn't show that people don't know that like I was in fifth do and I was catching. I was catching ricky and I was catching brock. I saw them there in my sights and I knew I was catching inside. Yes let's could have got third right. Yep and I knew that in my mind I guess there goes the second or second row or second moto but I jumped off the track so I ended up falling back to town and back again so if I would not have done that I I got the over the over all right so second mode when I pass Brock. Immediately my goal was to get past him as fast as I could in. Just go balls to the wall to the and that's what I did. Yeah cool awesome was cool to be there. It was cool to be there that day. We partied like rockstars at the house. After that I think work did you. You came to that too you. Didn't you know no? I remember talking to you after the Moto congratulating you but I didn't go to any party afterwards God you. We have four four semis parked nice. Yeah Planet to. That's a big deal to win a moto. You know what I mean like for a team like that. That's awesome for them. Yeah it was. It was pretty cool dude. He was yeah it was. I mean it was something that Chuck always wanted to house. You know down the road you know not that same year but down the road to have somebody least win or do it overall or whatever and it was kind of. Nice to be that flood first person to do that for him for sure. Would you have all you have all your wash? Ugo Plaques and trophies and everything you got all the good yeah my wife did it's funny my wife Carey she flicks me so much crap dude that I have. I call memorabilia. 'cause I save everything and all my racing stuff right up to me to her. Why you save this. Why did you save all? I got all my Loretta. Nice Nice. I think it's cool. I talked to some guys that don't give a shit and don't have anything and I'm always blown away by that I dislike. What like your compliments on pro motocross scale is incredible. These you and other people and I'm just like you should be proud of this. You should keep it. You know what I mean but yeah who knows different reprogram two year program Gear Pearl Grip. Yeah that was actually pretty good. Was it okay? Yeah between the UFO in the program. Comahue ransoms weird stuff I did. I did run up and I'll tell you what those Italians that love their jerseys. Yeah their jerseys. Were the best back then there were. They did everything all their printing was molded. Like into. The fabric was really weird. It was nice not having you know the print on the back and being hot and sticky. It was it was awesome and offensive. Very well it was probably one of the best stuff that I ever wore wore on the next. You Stay Plan Honda the next year. Yeah yeah the knock yourself out. She'll I believe if I remember. Shula was a big deal. I remember that yeah. That whole year was bad. You know we kind of put you know kind of the Kabosh on me to do on the one off. You know my own thing on stuff and then it was foreigners stuff again and then that whole year sucked. It really was bad. No honesty and I train even harder in the off season because I really wanted to be. I wanted to be more consistent and and to be honest. I was actually bagging. Mitch Mitch Payton Yup to come over and ride for him for nothing. Yeah and I was begging and begging and that year and you know it was I. It was good talks my result thought. Yeah so I couldn't back up what I was talking to them. Trying to get onto Mitch's team the following year. I had another year on my contract and I got out of it. Oh you did. Yeah Yeah I got out of it for two thousand and one. What'd you want says? Yuki what was that. That was my own team my own program. Oh that's right. You had was a pro caliber. Yes I remember that. Yeah okay. Yeah we did So I did as deal Suzuki And they gave me bikes. Rob Did all the suspension and I just did my own thing. I put my own money programs together. I think I put together. Like eighty grand cool. Yeah so just for myself that year and then they kind of wanted to see how I would do do by myself and then they actually helped me out even more for two thousand two. I did an off weekend race. It Denver for the arena cross. And that's when Darcy lanes was like the young crossing. Well him and I were were real big pal and I was being him and I was thinking I was in fourth and he came across me. Do Senator Punch me when I was even on the gas coming out of course center dude and blew my knee completely out. I didn't I already didn't have an E. C. L. To begin with for over ten years a lot of guys. Yeah Yeah Yeah so that pretty much ended the rest of the year. So two thousand and two Zouqi stepped up to help me some more And I still rent it out of my son mover. I bought a son mover. Even the two thousand one and I have a higher while hired. I I had to Eddie. Carlson in Isaiah Johnson Four. Yeah and Danny's Dad Ranch in in droves fun movie everyone. That's right I remember that. Yeah Yeah Yeah So. I'm pretty much stayed home and just ran the finances in the money and everything it Washington. They outrace them. Okay well how was that? I had surgery. I gotTA do some right. Yeah yeah so I tried to come back washed. You'll that year and it was a disaster. I trained hard. We recovered literally less than six months. But it just wasn't the same I suck dude I it was. It was disappointing. Metal thing on me. Where the bike's good did you like. This is awesome. Yeah they were fast bills. Did the motor. I mean we did it. I wanted to do it the right way. Bill and Jeff involved. We had the you know the one off pipes and silencers. I had a kit suspension. Like it it was it was for me legit for those guys to be able to run that in. Oh one I had all that same stuff. So Yeah Vice. Forget did you. Did you write a four-stroke ever? I did not write a four-stroke Tau when I went back. East and did the four-stroke nationals. Okay all right. I'm trying to remember if if I don't remember Jason McCormack writing a four-stroke ever. I must have missed that point three. Did you write a four-stroke? Yes okay all right. I forgot that time ever on a four-stroke dude was two thousand two during the Easter four-stroke nationals. I called up chuck who I wrote for and playing a Honda. And he gave me two to four fifties and I did forsook nationals in came shy of the championship by like I think. Eight or eight or ten points. Okay all right. Paul Paul Carpenter won the Carbondale. Well Kelly that was right after Kelly Smith and Steve. Math is dominated that series for a couple of years. Mccormick I'll have you know but I know with Kelly because he kicked ass. Yeah he was good at that stuff. Those little rights. He was good at them. Yeah yeah now did he did. He was he on. Ktar for those two years. I was for him after Red Dog and Ninety Nine. I went to Ktar a couple of years so good times. What what year. While when do you stop race? And when did you start? Your rights in result is two thousand and three. But do you keep racing locally after that now. I can brace aloke Western four-stroke national okay. In all three and four we did not go back east and do the Easter stuff again. Ok Yeah so just kind of stuck around a little bit here and there or whatever yeah the west coast supercross and just elected maybe outdoors at that point and that was to be honest. I I was kind of on the downhill portion mentally and physically like knowing it was going to be done pretty soon. So you know we just did the way you all the Western nationals. Had A good time I did my own program with C. H. Carmichael Honda. Down IN SACRAMENTO. Okay Yeah Yeah Wow indefinitely see personally and all that. You're probably still making pretty good money able to do that. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I mean it's Oscar system. Either you know on the podium or win in which you know you're winning. You're winning a couple of grand weekend. Yeah for sure Oh. And then plus plus I had sponsors pay you know pay me quarterly for support. What's kept the rig going and then I supported in all three had Oh Gosh Dang Mike Quarter. Oh my yeah my quarter row. We were buddies anyway so he rode with me and for me and my daughter had baggy gear at one time. My quarter raise baggy gear. I believe he did yes. He knows a great time dude. I had a place I had a place out in Calama with a bitch and track on him and I would ride all the time then we would travel. We did all our bike work there and we travel go kick ass. He was kicking ass like that was a fun time. That's what brought back some fun right. You know there was no there was no stress of like. I have to do good to write. Good for Bobby Moore gotTa ride good for Honda? There was no pressure right That's cool now's a great time. Yeah did you ever go Rod Port Angeles track? I have yes. Yeah I used to ride their birdwell. Because he's buddies up there so we would go port Angeles Mountain View. We were at mountain view a lot. He from a story right so we watched UGO locally a couple times. Good Times up there. It's such a strong motocross community. Pacific Northwest Man. They love it they love like when I go to Seattle now for the for the supercross like a lot of people. Listen to Papa Mexico and stuff and do this so many hardcore Modo Fan Pacific Northwest Cooler is. Yeah let's you know what's so good about it now. We're getting a lot of guys that have come out of here and been very successful and it's continuing to do that out of our area which is awesome. You look at the hill brother as you look at Rv. Of course you know. Yeah so many guys absolutely there is you know we got Carson Brown coming up and you kill him as he is. He's doing great did you. Did you have any run? Ins With a young Ryan Velo like did you member seen them and being like yeah. This kid's the do you remember that or Josh Hill Earnings O. Rien when I did my first year doing my Suzuki deal. You know one. I happened to be down at Elsinore in training day and he was out is team green ride with and he was on a super mini. And I happen to town of Park not too far away from that Ryan Road over and we were talking and he asked when I was going to go out and do a moto. Say I'll probably you know like we all maybe ten fifteen minutes you want your motor on and he said yeah one right. We staggered each other down. I was on my four fifty or no no. No no I was on my tooth fifty two trucks so we did EMOJI and that little son of a bitch the pace with me the whole time. Jesus Christ I started actually panicking because I couldn't all the way from him. Oh my God many you like. Maybe it's time to retire. Well you know when you've been around it now that for a while you know in your mind dude. He's GonNa make it do something you know. He's got it and it was just so cool even when he was sixty back. Then when I do a lot of Clark County fairgrounds at the time I assume lessons classes and I did one class with him. Longtime ago when he was on sixties and that was a long time. I think this you know before. He got super fast. We just did one session. It was really cool. It's awesome yeah you know and that was it. That was just that one time a long time ago and you never. I never even thought of like Ryan ever doing what he has done. Yeah Crazy Right. I know it is. It's just crazy how you know. Yeah you know him and his mom they then went. Down the motorhome. They did their thing and he got in with the right people. And you know you kicked ass. He did what he needed did what they needed to do to do it right. Yeah it's really cool to see such an area such so many strong great writers come from that from an area in the United States where it's hard to ride all year long. It's not a you know a Lotta rain and stuff. So yeah and then when I ran into Ryan so I ran into last year. Whatever you know. It's something that you you going to bring can remember when we did this this this but you don't WanNa be like guys reminisce. Like he probably doesn't even remember you know what I really. I don't think he might not might not. Who knows. He's he's a good buddy of mine so but but God. He's sometimes hilarious that way. It is awesome. Larry Ward said he called them one time and he was like is Jeff Ward and Larry just hung up autumn. How do you do you remember? Larry Yeah Oh yeah. I saw a picture of him. Wasn't he down Anaheim one now? He was in Dallas Dallas Dallas. He looks to say big bird. It looks exactly so yeah. I was picturing him to be more wrinkled. Throughout time. Like we a crapload await. I was like ricky fat before Ricky got speedy lost weight. Good for him. He looks a lot but no I still have. All my fat salary was a bad ass. He moved out early. But yeah another Pacific northwest bad ass lance lance great rider lance was a better writer than people probably give him credit for. You know so. He's still my idle duty. I mean that guy I still look up to him no matter what even back when we. I wasn't even still riding intermediates and stuff and we hung out with him back in the pack West Days Just to have that chance when I turn prone and finally it's like Oh my God peatland smell. Yeah for sure right now dude. There's a lot of stories about lance being ultrafast like in practice or practice during the week or whatever like he never quite got a full factory shot right but but he was fast certainly good. Yeah Oh good times well. Hey Jason thanks for doing this to fly racing racer x podcast presented by maxis and rental. I'm glad you're doing well and doing suspension and helping riders now career man really great results throughout so thank you. I do appreciate Stephen. I want to give a couple of absolutely I want you to the Huffman's You know really a lot of it. Wouldn't have happened because often caroline and also also Ryan you know Ryan. I got back together again after a lot of years. And you know we're back together here at the track. Yeah it's nice to have a friendship back and now we're supporting Tommy Week. And you know the rise Amex things get bad between you and him at some point you and it was that time where you know. I was gone. My wife and I got married. We have two kids and so it was that it was that. Time of of disconnect. Let so now we're connected. We're back here. We we reconnected back. You know since I moved back and it's just nice to have again. You know what I mean. Some of those friendships back that. We did not half for quite a while. Nothing was bad by reconnecting. Yeah reconnecting and so you know you know Ryan is supporting you know. Tommy Tommy weekend. His Ex program We're we're really trying to help him. Get that going big. And you know my wife. Carrie for Gosh. Dang putting up with my ass. She's the glue man. I'm telling you like she. She's amazing and my two kids my son. Eli and my daughter Eva. Just it's just awesome being a dad there signs where it's Ross and I'm an asshole but that's a bad thing but you know just all my writers you know a lot of my writers. There's too many to count As long as they know that I appreciate him and the dads that everyone I support and sponsor and even current customers. I appreciate everybody. That's awesome now for sure. It's cool you're giving back to. I mean like you said so. Many people helped you out over the years and and I know from being around then like yeah people would would give you money to help you get the racism and all of that and now you're giving back it's it's cool. You helping people out with suspension and your knowledge and yeah. It's really neat. Motocross is done. You will for sure over the years. It has yeah. I'm still in it. You know even though I tried to get out of it but you have before you go. Do you have a favorite? I mean look. Obviously you won the Moto in in ninety nine but you have a favorite washable. Is it that one? Is that one year won. You won the Moto or was there another one you know. It's really honestly gotta be that that day because my grandma was there. My GRANDPA was there no longer. Don't have my granny he'd just recently passed. All my aunt was there. It's the hug. It's the picture of the hugs. It's it's the whole weekend. You know what I mean so nothing can really top that on a scale. No well my favorite McCormick. Rice is high point ninety. Six fourteen fourteen with me spending the wrenches. Yeah you know. I gotta be honesty. I forgot about that. Tell You I'm sure you did. It was just one rake in where some random Canadian held a pit board for. You know but now it's funny. Because if you talk to Ryan Ryan remembers every all my remember the smallest little detail about something. I'm like do serious having Alzheimer's Shit. That's funny yeah. Some guys are like that. I know whenever Keith Johnson from New Mexico New England I mean those guys they wanna remember anything they just say you gotta ask Treadwell because my treadmill remembers everything that they did. So it's one of those guys. Yeah so I mean. I don't remember anything well. Hey thanks thanks for the time. Jason appreciate it. Good luck going. Forward mentioned business and again good stories. And congratulations and everything thank you. I do appreciate a Steve. Thank you good night. Thanks thanks for listening to the lied racing. Steve Ba'athist show don't forget to check out some of our past shows include motocross legends such as Boy Johnson Handling Jock. I mean it's it over to the side. The tendons were jerking and weird places. And I did biggest disappointment Danny store because he never said sorry to Danny and I were France. And we've never talked since Louis before the five hundred events Dave and I fly to Germany. Go down to stood guard. There's this little shop on the back of the mall. Factory we get their cylinders. Take THEM BACK. And you know off we go and you know we're in Nicosia. Cylinders is battery park for a handful of years before anybody ever saw in. Production Day McGill was all big pancake thing. And he's got the thing. He's completely laying on the gas tank trying to miss his tree. I mean he would have gotten even harder jumped farther. Is that tree? Hasn't been you know if it hadn't have been there. I love the guy. I don't think he's the greatest competitive sport ever had absolutely one hundred percent in my mind. I firmly believe that statement. I said about these modern day guys in Switzerland or Olander Belgium forty five minutes on the same bike. You're not beating you crazy. They're not doing it if they think they're so much better nowadays and they were in their pool so different bikes different times beasts from the East Damon Reg. It got to the point where I didn't WanNa leave home and once I got to the race I wasn't into it. I wasn't going to give one hundred percent. I'm not gonNA take the money here. Definitely an emotional moment for me just thinking to myself at the you know and it's amazing the stuff that goes to your head in a short amount of time of the things that you know that I was going to miss until you really open yours and you wanNA listen to what they're saying like beating a dead horse and I know from personal experience. Been anybody ever sitting down. Of course everybody did go circus. Mitch there's two ways to make the money one as you can sign for money or two. You can earn the money. I'm a high believer in earning the money. I think they ride better when they earn the money. So in time. Jeremy McGrath so mad like so disappointed so frustrating that I picked and I left every point count could kick myself to this day for not just riding around in big no problem. My and my ego got in the way you know. Show Johnny stuff that you see. You didn't WanNa ride. And he just wanted to look at it all day. I got a chance to test on that. I like that. Air I was in. I really do search Popa. Maximum tune store to enjoy these over. Eight hundred. Great MOTORCROSS PODCASTS. Day and minds.
118: Rise Above Hell & Reach Great Heights Through Belief, Gratitude, And Hard Work - Jevon McCormick
"Welcome to noble warrior. My name is ck len noble warriors. Were interview hartson entrepreneurs about their spiritual disciplines with deconstructing mindset mental models actual tactics. So you can take them. Engineer your life with more impact and fulfillment. If you have any entrepreneur friends were reinventing themselves. Who could use more inspiration. Please share this episode with them though thank you for. My guest is mccormick. It was born to son of a black penn father in a white orphan mother. He's made millions in the stock market. Even though he didn't go to college he serves as a board member for conscious capitalism today. He's the. Ceo of scribe media a multi million dollar publishing company where more than seventeen hundred authors including members of the nobel peace prize committee. Now seemed to let david coggins. Who's blockbuster book can hurt me has so more than two million copies giovanna. We've talked about why he said negativity never solve anything in spite of being raised in a negative environment that could easily led to cynicism how he found his calling in business at the back of his father's car why he focused on god health family business and investing only in his cutthroat with everything else how he broke the intergenerational pattern decree his greatest accomplishment that is his family how he uses gratitude to bring himself and he's employees back to focus why he's unstable childhood became the source of his extraordinary q. And social intelligence white confidence was all he had and how that brought him and fulfilment why he printed only five copies of his book in santa making it public. I and why he believes listening. A surrounding yourself with great people far smarter than you is the secret to running a multi-million dollar business and why he thinks llosa celebration on why people process and prophet and going three layers. Deep is the way to go. You also show with this. His three step advice to young people who are reinventing themselves doing this time. Please enjoy my conversation with giovan. Jt mccormick the ceo of scribe media. Please welcome driven mccormick mcmahon. Ck what's going on sir. Thank you so much for being here. Dimond i so so appreciate from the moment that i heard about you toya stories in some some of the time that we converse which each other You you're the real deal but if you can bring us back to a little bit for those that don't really know your story bring us back to you. Know the circumstances that you were born into an how you face the worst of humanity. Just paint the picture us. That would be really great place. You touched a little bit there in the introduction. Yeah my my father was a black pimp and drug dealer in the nineteen seventies and in addition to that my my father also fathered twenty three children. So i'm one of twenty three. My mother was a an orphan. She grew up in the nineteen fifties institutional where the kids were routinely. Beat abused neglected when my mom seventeen years old they gave her a they give twenty dollars a small suitcase and they said good luck to you. There's world in. She had never been outside those those four walls. So that's what. I came into the world to in. I grew up in extreme poverty. Now when i say extreme poverty. Us poverty because being poor in the united states is a lot different than the importance. Some other countries But for here in the united states we grew up very poor. I was that kid. That at times i would eat out of the trash can to have something to eat. I was that kid that. Because i got free welfare lunch at school i. I would eat friday at lunch. And i wouldn't eat again until monday at at lunch. Man i was gosh as in and out of juvenile three different times as a kid. One of my dad's prostitutes Sexually molested me from the ages of six seven eight years old. I don't have. I've got a ged. I don't have a college degree and herria man and so there's a there's a lot more between there. There's the there's the base of it. I i mean. Sounds like a movie literally. It sounds like The pursuit of happiness the time when he stuck in a subway. It sounds like you know part of the madman episode. The are flashing back But the way you tell it is you're just rattling off some some scrip i mean. How did you guessed how. How did you maintain this optimism. Because you know. I feel it like you are a beacon to light in. It's so easy for you to go down to space of cynicism and no possibility. How did you go from that in my mind. Darkness to the positive person you are today. I feel a lot of it is just you know what you don't know so at times i didn't orbis poor. This was the circumstances. There were other kids around me who were in the same circumstances so a lot of it was just. This is where i am in. What do you do to to make the most of it you. You found peace and happiness within some of that that chaos and in that fractured Upbringing get wrong. lada ugliness. In between there as well. And i like you said it goes off the script. Well i look at it this way. It was my life. That's how i grew up. I am not a victim. I refuse to let my back real. Allow me to be a victim. I can't change the past. i can't change any of it. I can't change who my father was a can't change who my mother was. You know. I even share this with you. I am truly the product of an abortion. What i mean by that is. My mom had an abortion before she had me. The abortion was so bad the second time she got pregnant she made the choice to say. Okay i'm just gonna give birth to this child versus having abortion i. I'm okay with that. That doesn't that doesn't bother me. I i've i've spoken with my mother and i've told her you know you. You should have never had a child in in. that's okay. She shouldn't have she she didn't. There were times where my mother and i were raising each other. We were learning things at the same time. So i'm gonna lovling challenge you this a bit because the way you phrase. You'll like walking buddha almost right. Hey all these circumstances happen. I'm just going to rise above agree with you. One hundred percent and in that moment when people calling you names when they're being racist that you when they're beating you when you're hungry when you're humiliated when you're being sexually molested. I mean like it didn't just happen right so that was a dark space of mature receiving all of those abused. The worst of humanity has to offer. How did you go from that darkness to equanimity and ultimately to forgiveness. Love my my the day extrordinary path that you took on. It's it's funny you you. You rolled off. He said the name calling. And i hadn't thought about this story in quite some time. I i remember as a kid because i'm half white half black and i remember as a kid you know white. White people didn't like me because i was half black black people like me. I was half white. I was never black enough. I was never wide enough and but one particular time you know. Kids would always tease me. Call me oreo cookie home. Zebra chocolate vanilla world colored confused half. Read all anything you can think that has they can make zero yeah. I walked in the class one time and at my desk. This kid had put a mature age on this. This kid had put a polaroid picture on my desk in. There was a picture of his zebra man. Crushed me crushed me. Because there wasn't anything i could say i had learned to be. You know quick witted and and make fun of other kids and in joe can go back and forth. But when i saw that picture i'm half white half black and you. You call me a zebra. I just remember. I felt just decimated at at the time But i you say how did i. Rise above. I took all those little things that were happening to me in going on and i always found a way to use these positive. How do i get better. How do i learn from these circumstances. You know what one story that. I recently opened up with and 'cause i never told the story before it was embarrassed of it. My first lesson in business came from a place in it was one weekend. My father had me and we were out collecting money from prostitutes. I was sitting in the front seat. I just remember it was cold outside and we pull up to the first lady and he cracks the window. It's every time i tell the story. I can smell the heater in the car. Every time we tell the story so he cracked the window is she. She slid through Stack the cash is. She has my dad. Hey can i come in. I made my count. I made my money. And he's like no no you're on a roll. And you know. He encouraged her back out there. He keep going. You're real positive. And so he wrote up the window. We drove off when we went over to the next lady and she slit her money in and it was short. You know her. Her stack wasn't as big a my dad. Lost his damn mind. Get your ass back out there. And they called her every name you can think of and i remember when he rolled up the window. We drove off. I said to myself Am nine this. I said. I wonder if i treated the prostitutes better and let them keep part of the money. Could i have more prostitutes and make more money in volume because they wanna work with me. And then ultimately. I'd be the king pimp. If you will and then i thought okay but wait a minute a lot of other pimps are going to be mad because i'm going to take their women and i was having this full-blown conversation with myself nine. On how do you scale this business. And when i when i look back i feel like i was. I'm doing in life exactly what i was meant to do. Which was was business in because at nine years old prostitutes. That was my early entry into the business world and i. I wanted to know how you did it better. How do you put people first. How do you treat them better. How do you scale it But i directly to your question. I always tried to find the positives in negative situations in. I can go back so far as a kid and remember that. Be putting up the christmas tree with my mom. We had this little three foot christmas tree because we didn't have much money and we literally had maybe fifteen decorations in my mom would have up one decoration. Stand back look at it in because it would take so. It seems like we had more decorations. But that was a positive. And i always tried to find the positives in every negative situation that i was in. I appreciate that I guess. I guess what i'm getting at is so i'll make it personal also. It's it's when you're in. Our place is easy to train your inner dialogue inter narrative to say our show. You as a from place to do something right. But the way i experience you is not that it's not our show you rather as hey learn from the positive coming from love and compassion and and then use that as a source of fuel rather than you know our show you as a source of fuel so curious to know how you perhaps at one point you were in that i'll show you know that source of fuel to then you transition to you know. Hey coming from a place of love and empathy and compassion. So it's more curious that internal narrative shift if there was any the place of love in in not feeling a desire to have to prove something that really came later on in life because everything for me was having to prove something mainly to myself. It wasn't anyone who was proved that. Okay i'm not going back to. The hood proved that. I can make money proved that i can figure this job out proved that i can see it was. It was always proving something to my myself. It wasn't out show you. It was more proving that i could do it that that regardless of the circumstances i could do it and will be here. Here's what became very critical for me. I always believed if i saw someone else who had already done it. Okay then i can do. It now is believed that in regardless if it was true or not. I believe okay. They did it so then. Why can't i do it and i. It's even this ck. Even i've heard so many people say well it's not fair that A minority has to work a hundred times harder than white person to achieve the same success in for me. I've always looked at it as okay. Great it may not be fair. But if i got to work one hundred times harder and i gotta be one hundred times better. That's exactly how i see it. I'm just one hundred times better than you. So i'll make myself shine again that's me. Where's the positive in this. 'cause i learned a long time ago. Life isn't fair didn't it didn't fare. It's never going to be fair. So put that shit aside and focus on okay. What are we going to accomplish with this. Yeah there's a phrase. I don't wish it's easier wish you a better. That's why you've taken on even this. You know the dark place you talked about. If i go to my bed right now and i pull the covers over my head and i sit there and i say okay. Why me. why was. I born to a a pimp father. Why am i wanted. Twenty three kids. I was my mother and orphan. Why is it to this day. I still don't know where my last name comes from. I have no my mom. Got the last name mccormick in the orphanage and we don't know where it comes from what you know so i say why why why why doesn't change anything i can't change the past can't change what i was born too but i figured out early on okay i can change tomorrow. I can change the next day. I can change the next hour and that became the focus. What can you change in On that because i can't change who i was born to can't change my race. Hell god knows to this day. A lot of people out. There probably don't like me. Oh well and so i focus on what. What can i have a hand in in changing. Yeah so so. If you don't mind gains to so i'll contextualized my question. Did the internal dialogue the internal the tone of the internal voice determines equality wants quality of life And sharing in personally the tone. My internal voice. You speak to me. Is this harsh critic. Nothing is ever enough in. My experience of life was not complete misery. Even though on the outside you know have all the chievements accomplishment in all the beautiful things right. And then i had to take on this journey of changing this tone or team rather raid transformed this tone into more loving nurturing such that my my experienced life is more fulfilling that way. Some curious note was there any. Like how does your internal voice speak to you. You show up so bright. I appreciate that this actually was developed in in my childhood because of the harsh circumstances i grew up in because on any given day i was gonna get into fight someone. You tease me. Didn't like me. You know called me half free. Whatever Make fun of me because i had holes in my shoes. Whatever the case. I remember i used to get teased a lot for having a white mother. I remember at times embarrassed that he used to be embarrassed. Had a white mom. Why you know that that was ridiculous But i remember had to make a choice early on you can wakeup timid in meek in a week mindset or you can wake up confident and at times competence was all i had. It was free and you know it didn't cost me anything in so it was okay. I'm going to be confident today. And confidence got me through life. Sometimes because it was all i had i mean not ahead food. I mean not have had money. We may not have literacy water but add confidence in. That's confidence got me through many a day because when you walk through that alley you walk to school. You walk through some of those halls at school. All you had was confidence on your shoulder. Because i didn't have the nice clothes. I didn't have lunch money. I didn't have a good home to go to dammit. I had confidence in. That's competent today. When i talked to myself he asked me. What's the internal dialog. One of positivity one of confidence one of belief. I don't hope. I don't wish and i don't use the word luck so i don't use hope wish or luck. Those three words were eliminated out of my vocabulary as a kid. What's the difference between bravado and confidence. You're gonna laugh at me is i. Don't even know where bravado me. I will don't run. I sit in meetings to this day. And i'll stop the medium by okay. What's that word mean. I don't even know is great. I i mean to me. That's a sign of someone. Who is confident if i if someone who knows everything pretty much for sure that this person is pretty insecure so the fact that you shared like hey. I don't know what that means. Chose real confidence. Bavaro means like a like a empty. Like puff up when there's no substance right versus you. My my confident person. Someone like you can easily say. Hey i don't know it's okay rise because you're secure with who you are so is coming from a place of insecurity the others from a place of authentic security so for you. I'm curious know because you didn't have anything right and yet you're able to be confident. So i was curious no was it. Bravado was more like authentic confidence it was. It was authentic confidence in a bit deeper into that. I realized when i got separated from my mom. And she didn't know where i was and i was supposed to be with my dad. And he was in england. No one knew where he was and i got left with my dad's prostitute at times. You felt like you know what the hell's going on in and you felt like no one loved you. But i always remember saying to myself and this. This is powerful. I feel e everyone can benefit from this my opinion even if no one else loves you the world you should always have one person that loves you in the chew and that became the confidence. Okay i love me some me so that's I i often remember. I love myself you if if no one else loves me. I love myself in that confidence. That love of myself Actually even believe it's what kept me from doing drugs. It kept me from being in alcoholic that coupled with the fact that i grew up in in just seeing extreme addiction in realizing okay. Don't want anything to do with that. I i saw just deep heroin addicts in your. I won't nothing to do with that. So love of self confidence in again. Both of those in my opinion choices. That's that's not something that you don't have to learn that. You just have to wake up and say i love myself and i'm a confident person today. You don't have to learn that that that's not something that that someone has to teach you. Okay here's how you take the the hammer and nail the nail into the piece of wood. You have to be taught how to do that. All you have to do is wakeup intel yourself. Is i love myself even if no one else does. I love myself and i am confident today. Yeah our mindset. Really powerful tool as a terrible. It's a great service by terrible master as the saying goes what you share is something. That's very simple to execute to do but for those that have a mind. That's being a tyrant on their life. It's not as simple because the inner resistance is there so so What jt share is a simple step. One could do as a way to just sell program oneself. I i love myself and so on. So is there anything else that you want to say about way to cultivate this inner self. Love yourself Compassion so there are two programs. I call them programs. That i've used for for myself in in. If you allow me. I'll go. I'll go through both of those formulas the the first one you heard me say. I don't hope wish her luck. We'll walk you through where that mindset came from. When i was a kid. And i would hope my dad was gonna come pick me up. You never showed. When i would hope there was something to eat when i got home. It never produced anything. So i stopped hoping and i i switched out hope for belief belief forces execution. If you believe that you can get out of the hood than you've got to execute to get out of the hood if you believe that you can have the career you want. Then you've got to execute to to have that you can't just sit there and believe without execution. I'm going to have the big house one day. Okay with you believe it. What are you doing execute to get it so. I eliminated. Hope is c. k. You appreciate this. I've got a friend of mine. He's a pastor and he tells me one day he goes man drawn. I said Hope in my servants sixteen times. Last sunday he goes. I can't eliminate hope from for my sermon. Follow me here i said. Do you want me to hope. There's a god or do you want me to believe. There's a god. He's the pastor. Ck looks damn. I never thought of it that way. I said see if i just hope. There's a god. I don't have to actually commit to living a godly lifestyle. And just of hoping god things real but if you believe then you have to execute that godly lifestyle that you believe in and then and then wish mass just a a horrible word You can wish that you have the big house. Wish you had the career but it's not gonna do anything you can wish on a star all damn day and it's not going to produce anything even in our house I've got four kids ages seven five three and two so we have a lot of birthday parties when we put the cake on the table. We don't say make a wish. we say. Make your goal. And so there's no wishing in our house so the the word wishes that re ranks right up there with the f. word I i rather my kids say the f. word to me and say wish and then luck there was just nothing lucky about About my life growing up. So if you look back at that i did. There's no lock. I don't believe in luck. There's there's execution there's belief if you believe you execute then that's that's where so that's that's one of my my formula the second one Mindset choices in hard work equals success mindset. We all hear that alarm clock. Go off at four in the morning. We don't want to get up. And i've had people say to me. Oh my god. Jt had how do you get up at four am you know. I'm not a morning person or you're right. You just hold yourself. You're not so if you tell you before you go to the second formerly. I'm actually curious because you have pastors. And you know. I'm curious to know if you have any spiritual believe that you know that you draw your inner peace from like that or or less. Just you know. I'm the captain my soul. I'm the master of my fate. I got five pillars in life. That i live by god. Health family business investing. If it doesn't fall within those five pillars i. I don't do it so you noticed. Number one was was god. No one introduced me too. God when i was a kid. I didn't learn about god. Till i was about thirteen years old when i lived with my uncle But i look back now. And i see what i've made it through. I see where what i've achieved. Were what i've become and for people who say well you know i. I don't believe in god for me again. I don't push my views on anybody for me. I'm kinda like hey to get through what i got. There's got to be got out there. So i i'm i'm a big person of faith and i believe in god yeah info and then Let's see how do you. I guess commune or you know. Have that cultivate that relationship. To your own inner spirituality was. Do you have a daily practice. Every every morning every morning. First thing i do i get up at four. Am first thing. I do Similar prayers first thing in my prayers Generally consist of gratitude Thank you for waking me up. Thank you for the gifts. Blessings talents and abilities. You've given me thank you for my family. Our home my career Thank you for bringing me to to now. And it's it's a prayer of gratitude and thank you more than than asking in here. This is very important to me. C k i. You know this you've seen people do this when something goes bad. Everyone wants to pray to god when we have a loved one in the hospital. Everybody wants to pray to god. We go to prison. Everybody finds god. I'm the opposite. I tend to pray even more when things are going great in my life as a show of respect in gratitude for wow look at what you've put me versus it because my belief is when those hard times come they do for all others. God's going to be there. Because i didn't just pray when i needed something i didn't just show up when i sat transactional relationship right right now. Now it's color you right into the bank for a loan. Hand some money. That's right it's it's funny. I've looked at it like that. Banks will lend you money when you don't need it when you need it. They won't let you money and it's kinda the same thing with god no one rarely do people pray harder when things are going great and everybody finds god when things are going wrong everybody and so i truly commit to praying even more in giving more gratitude when things are going great for me in giving my lifestyle. There's little things. I give gratitude when i flip on the switch at home in the light comes on. I even tell my kids. Hey you see that came. That's right it's magic. Have hundred years ago. Yeah you know. There's food in the pantry and the refrigerator i. I didn't have those things with in growing up. So yeah i pray more harder Give more gratitude. When things are going great for me. I i appreciate you saying that is because you know in my research. Union mentioned this part at all. So that's why there was a missing puzzle for me like how did j. t find so much grace and love and compassion. Not only for his past himself but also share with others like an e. 'cause you just preach hard work and determination than and like yes and like worse the source of that yes. I so appreciate mentioning that to go on that further to. Here's the other piece to this Sometimes we pray to god and we ask for things and when it doesn't show up in the form of which we ask for it where like. Oh there is no god. God doesn't listen to me but we never take the time to sit back and say. Oh i'm healthy. I mentally stable. I've got my arms and my legs. Maybe got already gave me the blessing to go out and give me the ability to go. I'm executing for for myself. Maybe that is the blessing It didn't show up exactly the way i wanted. And i wanna double stitched and i will so it didn't show up the way we want it and we're like others no god and i'm like I woke up this morning. And i'm mentally capable. That's the blessing. Let me go out and execute. Yeah yeah i mean there. There's a lot we can kick off from from from there. We can get into the metaphysical in in a moment So i'm curious because you had also publicly said for forty five years you lived in inauthentic life dope and it wasn't until the last few start living out alphabetic life and it's very obvious you know based on all of the talks you made your owning your pass owning your neil. The your new name right. Well you're only in your new name on on all of it. So i was curious. No well one thing. I did forget it ask. Did you take any any kind of therapy or anything as a way to really the traumatic past experience especially sexual abuse molestation part of it. No at all. actually. I would say so. I tried back in my thirties to go in. And this may be arrogant of me. I'll i'll own it or minded. I'll say i don't. I don't believe it was arrogant. I tried to go to therapist in. I remember going in. And i asked a lady and i remember i asked her. I said hey do you by chance come from a two parent home. And she said yes. S okay in. She went to university of texas to to get her phd in. I said a. Did your parents pay for your college. Is she said yes. And as soon as i said how. How's your your upbringing. As a child she goes. I have fabulous parents blah blah blah. And then she got in. She cut me off and she said well. We're not here for for me. We're here to talk about you but what it did for me and like okay. What are you going to do for me. You don't know anything about the fractured chaotic background. That i come from. That was the last time i went. I just felt like you don't relate to me in what what steps could you possibly give me to be able to move forward now again. That could have been very close minded and arrogant. But i tried in granted was one time i walked out. What actually worked for me. Was the biggest most therapeutic. Thing i ever did was when i did that. Book for my kids When when we did that book in. And i remember. I never wanted my book to be public. Never i wanted to. I wanted five copies as a legacy piece for my kids. I wanted it to be passed down the legacy piece for my great great grandchildren. But i never wanted that book to be public and through a lot of conversations. A lot of encouragement a lot of support people meant you gotta make that book public. There's a lot in there that can help other people and the help other people is what got me. I thought okay. If if people truly believe that this is going to help other people i'll make it public man. I was so nervous when that book went public because there were just deep stories in there that i never want anyone to know. I didn't want people to know that my father was a pimp and drug dealer and father twenty three children. I didn't what people who you know for all those years. Everyone who just assumed. I was puerto rican it. Guess what. i'm half white half black so for all those people who thought i had a degree i guess what i know In so i was whatever i had to be to get to wherever i wanted to go in life and here. This book was now going to tell that no this. This is who he is. You know i was a monster in relationships. He i mean a beast couldn't hold a relationship didn't know how to treat a woman horrible in relationships Paradigm with my wife. Now we've been together nine years i. It took me forty years to finally have a healthy relationship. I just did not know how i didn't blame. Anybody just didn't know how to do it. And but the skills and skills man didn't have the tools that didn't know how. I always wanted to be a good person. I just didn't know what that consisted of And what was funny is what i found for me. Making money was easier than a relationship because money has no emotion. All i gotta do is keep making it. Let me just keep making it but a relationship. I gotta deal with somebody else's emotions and i can't even deal with my own it so Yeah i was. I was a monstrum relationships. I wasn't fully authentic. But man. I always always no no matter what i always wanted to get better. I always wanna to learn. I always wanted to improve. No matter what age i was that i can remember always wanting to to be better even in school when i struggle to read. Why struggled at math to this day. Ck i don't hold a pen or pencil. The the right way. I read excruciatingly slow but i always wanted to improve. Yeah oh i mean that that curiosity and desire and determination is is the firestone in you. It's my friend is very easy to see. So i'm curious to know in terms of the ptsd st or the trauma. Is there anything else that you did that. Really help you step into that than the book so or or was the book the singular catharsis that have you young starting to really own the past on who you were an own or the you know the thing that even you did to others as well so so. Ck i got two stories. They'll make sense. Work work with we here when i share these so for me. Everything has always been a learned. I'll make it happen. I'll figure it out so just follow me on this so back. When i was twenty three years old i had got promoted to be the vice president of the northwest region for payday. Loan company twenty three years old. It literally had no business being vice president of anything. Twenty three but the gentleman. Sit me up. Because i work hard. I work my azoff. And i earned promotion so i get up there in portland oregon and i'd never been in the old man here in portland. Oregon never been there and and but it was beautiful thirty days after being there the owner of the company calls me up and he says hey. I want you to go down to eugene oregon in open up a new office and i immediately. Yes sir i he said you need anything for me. No sir he said okay. Make it happen so i hung up the phone. I sat back in my chair. See here i said to myself. Where in the hell is eugene oregon. I love that you just say yes and figure it out so then i just went through my steps. I said okay. Step number one. Figure out where eugene oregon is all right step number two in this. This is like ninety three ninety four xl this one this. There's no mapquest in else to be. There's google maps and so step number two drive to eugene. I get eugene. I pull over in a parking lot like okay. Step number three. I guess i gotta find a location. I didn't even know what a commercial realtor was. So i i drove around walk around and i looked at it. I saw size said for lisa's. Okay called numbers finally. Got someone to help me. But that was the checklist and then and then the light went off. And i go wait a minute. I've got three of these offices in portland. They all look the same. All i have to do is replicate that here and so that but that's high learn now to your point was. Was there anything else that i went through That was there -peutic in in opening up. So i share that story with you. This story will make sense. So book comes out. January two thousand seventeen and may of twenty seventeen my two co-founders tucker zack say. Hey you're going to go to san diego and speak. I said okay. Speak to and they said you're gonna speak on stage. I said the hell. I am igor about what they said. You're going to tell you story. Oh no and they said no. No no you're gonna go out. It's a national e event. You're going to go speak as i said. Okay i'm in wait. Hold on hold on. There was a switch in your head from. I'm not a speaker to speaker. How did that happen soon. As easy as i guess i'm doing this now. I guess i'm doing this now. And then i sat and i was like okay. What do i do. And i and they didn't help me. The they didn't instruct me. So i said okay i. How do people speak on stage. So i literally googled. Jolo steam the pastor. Td jakes the pastor. Kevin hart the comedian and jerry seinfeld. The comedian and i watched their stage presence. I watched to see what they did how they did it. How they perform a my takeaways. Were okay don't put your hands in your pocket. Don't look down and don't say And that was where my three takeaways said. Okay i got that part. So then i went and i wrote my speech out just kind of wrote my story down and said okay. This isn't so rehearsed it rehearsed it rehearsed. It stood in. The mirror kept rehearsing out to san diego and i remember staying in the hotel room. Rehearse rehearse rehearse so then moment comes get on stage and i deliver my speech thirty minutes man. I remember afterwards. I damned iran stage. Go behind the curtain. The gentleman back there he says. Hey look up a screen back. There and i was getting a standing ovation. Oh wow and then this lady comes running up to me. And she says hey. Who's your speaker coach. And just like you saw me when you said provide bravado. I was like what the speaker she goes. Who who trained you on your stage presence your delivery and i go jolo stain. Td j. heartened jerry seinfeld and so what was interesting about. That is when i told that story on stage and that really opened up to where. Okay man i just own the hell out of who i am where i come from what i endured in. This is a damnedest thing. I just so people just stood up on in clap for me because i shared my story. Now now. here's the other part of the c k in. This is very important shortly. After that that that day someone came up to me and ask me what my speaking fee was again. I didn't even know people got paid to to do that. I you know i knew jerry. Jerry seinfeld and kevin hart two comedians. You know european and make them. I didn't know people got paid to tell a story on stage and so i was offended when someone asked me what my fee was in many why i don't understand because when i was a kid and i needed money in my mom money. No one would give us any money here. I was now all the money i could ever ask for money on top of money. I need any money and now you wanna pay me to tell you about when i was porn. I needed money in that. Really the irony of that really got to like. How dare you not to this individual. But in my mind was a house. No one gave me shit. When i needed it when i needed money and i was hungry now. Now i don't need the money. And and i worked myself out of that situation and you want to pay me to hear about when i struggled and that that was a real eye opener for me On this podcast will number one. Thank you for sharing. That story mean. You're a natural storyteller you It's is interesting how you approach. Life is complete opposite of how i approach life. meaning. I need to kind of neo survey. The landscape studying the books and see the best practices lay out the the mental models. And you basically have very little Inner resistance you just say fuck it. Let's figure it out opposite way. I'm a burden the ships guy okay. Let's go are we going to do this. It's now to be fair in in scaling the company. I don't treat it the same way. I live by this premise. When it comes to business know your numbers your company. You don't know your numbers. You don't know your company and so i. I live by knowing your numbers so i actually before we go into the company part. I wanted to to rewind to for you to reflect on your hero's journey you probably know the hero's journey archea okay cool so reflect on that one of the thing we see on this podcast is used. Moon is the source of superpower. What would you say is your diarmid path. Trajectory of you're like what are you here to do the big question so if you need to take some time i i actually this. This one has his. I believe i was truly born to do business. You know i told you about. When i first learned how thought about scaling a company and then i remember when i was twelve years old. I'm again a date myself on this back in the day. You could get a magazine and you could take out the insert in order the magazine and you could check bill me later and then you you you'd send it in. You didn't even have to put a stamp on it. I just know postage was paid so you send it in and then they send you two or three issues before they cut you off when they realize you were to pay the bill so i would do that with business magazines and i would pretend that i was a president of a company. I don't know what company i don't know what type of business title confident president of a company. I didn't even know a ceo existed didn't even know what that was. And so. I is far back as i can remember. I always had this thing for for business. And you'll you'll love love this when i was I was working at the insurance company. It was my second job. I was the boy pushed a car and i was a filer is a one day. I'm walking by this conference room. It is said free lunch 401k. All i saw was free lunch. I'm like oh hell yeah. I'm going to go free lunch. i'm there. I didn't hear what the topic was free lunch. So i'm pushing my cart. I remember saying to myself okay. I'm gonna go there free lunch while you're on some pushing the cart and then someone was walking by me and i said hey. Where's conference room. 401k i know that free lunch and learn 401k mid there's a free lunch and learns to cover 401k. I thought 401k was a conference room and so i went to that lunch and learn in her. Two of the greatest words i had ever heard in life compound interest when i discovered that you can take a hundred dollars in turn it into a thousand and thousand a ten man. That's the mind blown. Oh i'm like you gotta be kidding me. I'm like this is better than drug dealing like literally i'm sitting there like this is legal You can literally do this and so fell in love in. Wanted to find out everything i possibly could about a stock investing in so i feel like with business in investing those. Those were my calling. I do what i love to do in this world. But more importantly above both of those given my background given what. I've achieved what i've been able to accomplish. I do believe in my heart. Part of why god has given me. This is to show others. What's possible i i will. I refuse to allow anyone to refer to me as a motivational speaker. A what's possible speaker. i'm not here. I'm not here to motivate you. I've but i am here to show you what's possible that through i went through the the sexual molestation the juvenile the being separated from my mother. The being left with my half brothers and sisters for three weeks in no one came for us through the hell that i've walked through. I'm what is possible for my lack of formal education. I still found what's possible in life. So i i believe i have a great responsibility. Not an obligation a responsibility to show and teach others. What's possible i mean. You certainly doing what. I mean every interaction that i've witnessed you personally so i'm curious to know though so that was clear to you that that that path then northstar is clear to you. How long ago was far as far as business in terms of business. Oh me out of there. what's possible. Oh showing what. What's possible that showing what others what's possible. That probably came to me man. Seven years ago. When i was at the software company i became the president of software company. It really hit me that. Oh i'm in a position to be able to go back and teach kids that have gone through some of the hell that i went through and say. Hey guess what. We can be more than a rapper. Athlete or drug dealer. No one told us about this business thing. No one told us about entrepreneurship that you can be an executive so it hit me back when i became the president of a software company. And that's when i started going in and mentor skews at the juvenile halfway house in The juvenile prison. Yeah so so. That door star became clear to us seven years ago. I know i want you wanted to come on the show ensure someone that mistakes that you made right so so now that north star is clear. What are some of the the detours mistakes you have made as as you navigate this path of showing others. What's possible resolve for your family for people that look up to you for you know people not you know the biggest one. We touched on the bit earlier. You heard me say. I do my best. I don't have a lotta regrets in life. I have remorse for how. I treated women when i was in those relationships. That's that's probably the thing. I'm most remorseful for a but even even then i'm remorseful for what they had to endure from me but it was still a learning lesson for me in So that was one of my biggest. Mistakes is just how i conducted myself in relationships. I just in in so much of it was fear it was anger. It was frustration. Because i never been to my wife. No one actually knew who i truly was. So i was constantly on the see saw and balance beam of you know. It's like i want to trust you. But i don't fully trust you and and nobody's ever really stayed in my life in i. It was always pushing pull and internally with my own mind and then then now you throw somebody else's emotions in here and they got needs and wants and i you know so i it's Very remorseful for how. I conduct myself myself in the those relationships. That was a massive mistake. The other big one mistake. Go ahead mike going to the bid because Conceptually get you. Don't need to show the specific details but rather the lessons that you learn writing suit. Maybe can concretize how you have said certain things differently. How would have skills that you have learned. Pick up along the way because out on this podcast. We talk a lot about relationship as one of the deepest spiritual path one could take on. Because it's not easy to being a human being. Now you as you said involve another human being. You know the egos collage and all these other things. So if you could share some of the lessons in more concrete how amazing number one lesson takeaway for me was if i'm being very direct in having to own. This was almost every serious relationship that i got involved in collapsed and went awry because of me in the moment was everybody else's fault. Her you you you. You said this you did that. And if i if. I'm looking back at it me. I didn't know how to hold a relationship. I didn't know how to communicate. I didn't know how i didn't know. Give and take. I didn't understand how to incorporate someone else's feelings Show respect you know it that those were the biggest takeaways for me. The number one was realizing okay. You need to look in the mirror because You're the problem you keep blaming everyone else but you're actually the problem and that that was the biggest takeaway even now love love. My my wife love coming home to saying personality every night. Love coming home to hear him. My my kids are coming to the same house Just what what most people would call monday. I call glorious. I love the structure. The routine the disciplined that consistency other things. I didn't have as a kid. And but but i also know how to incorporate your feelings. I know how to love my wife. you know if we're going to go down into the basement. Ck i'll give you this one in. No one knew this until my wife about two years ago or on. The couch. Watching tv is christmas. Time and my wife i dunno. She's probably on facebook or something. She looks over at me. And she says hey. I've got a question for you then. Ck told me if. I'm when i when i go. She goes how come you never allow me to initiate sacks. Normally i got an answer for everything you know about thinking about it then. I got yoga. Yeah here's how we're going to address this in. So i was stunned. I was like interesting. I don't know so. Let me think about that one. I get back with you. Two weeks later. I come in. She's in the kitchen. Hey i got it figured it out. She's like figuring out what why. I never allowed anyone to initiate. Why number allow you to initiate sex. As said when i think about it. I never allow anyone to initiate sex and i said and i realized why that prostitute used to be the person who always initiated sex in. This was just two years ago. I never realized that. I had never allowed any woman to initiate sex with me and it wasn't until my wife actually asked that i had to think about it and remember that prostitute always initiated it. And it's so. It was an in those relationships. People didn't know those things in those things cause tension and those things called for at times for me. They caused panic united. Want people to to to know that or know that about. You know who who's going to win a date or get into relationship with the guy who's been molested that was a pimp in It was rough. It was like i said could beast monster in relationship. But i never wanted you to know why i was. Yeah thank you for sharing that. I appreciate the trust that you put in in in me and the listeners I know tucker max's pretty public about his His practice with psychedelics. Wasco and things like that as part of his path to be a better human being and under his pockets with do talk pretty openly about this type of things. Well for me. personally. I needed to. I'm a super cerebral person. In case you haven't notice so i had to learn all of my social skills Stu acquisition rather than you know. Naturally blessed with a so the medicine is been actually tremendous instrumental for me to actually see. What's it like to be in relationship with me. So i was curious if you had any experience with that and and that that may have shown. We're giving you some insights about a way to transform as you call yourself the monster relationships who loving nurturing compassionate human being the biggest thing for me man on that let me back up to two things. One you said you had to learn your your communication skills or whatever we oughta now. I learned my for some interesting places. My dad met. Everyone loved my dad he was he was a pimp and drug dealer he was he was a beast to women sometimes but man. Everyone loved him. He couldn't drive ten minutes without someone waving them down. Hey we're scoring. Everyone loved him. And i would watch and i would study. He made everyone feel welcome even the prostitutes that he would be horrible with through whatever mind blown reason. They loved him in in But i watched his communication skills. I watch how he addressed people how he listened to people how he made people feel in. That left an impression on me. So yeah we. We all had to learn our skills man. I just haven't learned from the pimp so but to the other you know what's helped me. Most of all is actually having going into a relationship where it was all on the table. Hey here's who i am. Here's what i come from. Here's how fractured my background is in. If you can't accept that then let's get into a relationship in. Let me back up a bit on this. This this isn't something. I've shared a lot. Maybe i don't know before i met my wife. I was dating a lady here in austin. If i said the name you probably would know who she is and she she was a white lady or still is widely in in in so we We were. We were dating for nine months and i don't know how the topic of race had never come up but one day it did. And say yeah. I'm half white half black whatever. Nothing really came two days later we get on the phone and she says hey. I got something to share with you. Okay and she goes. Hey i'm in love with you now okay. You know kuo whatever. She goes response. Okay well it was. She went route right quick with with she goes. I'm in love with you but in so it didn't really give me a chance to respond. Anything she goes. I'm in love with you. But as she goes but We we see each other anymore. She goes yeah My family would never accept you. Because i was half black. And i've dealt with that my my whole life and so i. I was offended. I wasn't angry. I was at peace was the first time i heard it. I had made peace with with that at eight years old. I learned eight years old. Everyone is not going to like you you. You may have heard me talk about this before. Ck when when that lady in the welfare line my mom and i were standing in the welfare line and we are waiting for our monthly allotment of food. Stamps are hand out in an older white lady. Looked down at me. She looked up at my mom. Is she spitting my mom's face and she called her a nigger lover. And i remember looking at my mom's face in in just watching her wipe the spit from her face. The tears coming down her is the humiliation. She had no one came to her assistance. No one asked if she was okay in the hardest thing. ck is. she can leave the line. She had to stand there humiliating because he had to feed her victory son. And i remember saying in that moment. Everyone's not gonna like me. And i'm not gonna spend my whole life trying to make everyone like me and so when when back back to the story when she said that you know my my family would never accept you. I was a peace with it. Because i made peace with that back at eight years old and i realized everybody was going to like me so What was interesting. Though is i went into the relationship with my my wife kind of with a chip on my shoulder Even on our first date man she goes. Yeah you know. I'm just looking to make some more friends and i literally. I pulled over on the side of the road and i say i got all the friends i need. So if you're just looking for a friend. I can drop you back off and she was like you seriously. Oh yeah in. She was like well. Let's see reuss goes so we went on the seven hour date and they'll through the course of day just told her about my background. We're not every detail in the first eight obviously but so so some very significant pieces. I hey i'm half white half lie you know as an issue in in so What was therapeutic for me. Back to your question is the fact that my wife was the first person who really knew a lot of darkness up front of where i come from in accepted yeah. I'm kind of speechless. Because i think relationship is such a key components you life whether it's your with your significant other with yourself first and foremost of course with others and also and now you are in a role of being a ceo. You're you know in the role of being essentially apparent to the rest of the employees. So what do we go from here. And you know when i do want to actually mentioned one thing as part of your superpower tucker max very publicly said about. I don't know if you saw the actual video on your own website. He he was acknowledging. You how extraordinary not just your e q. But also your social intelligence as party a superpower so you draw the correlation between how you grow up all the worst of humanity has faced chew your development of the superpower that you have iran q. As as well as social intelligence kind of percent hundred win when you on any given day are worried okay. Am i going to get beat up today for being mixed race Okay is this prostitute going to molest me. If my dad leaves how can i maneuver and get my dad to get to to take with me. Take me with him and not leave me here with with her When when you're just any given day trying to figure out the angle of oklahoma going to eat today the social You know it's funny when he first brought up each you to me in Social until i didn't even know what those things men What's what's at in. He laughed he goes damn. You're so good at it. You don't even know what it means. It's just something you do in it came from you know. How do i learned these these lessons. Here's to your point of social. Go back to the insurance company. I used to push my cart in. There was a black guy there he was like the head of hr in no matter. Who asked this question. He would. They would say hey. How're you doing today. He would always say tremendous every time did matter who asks them did matter the time of day he was always tremendous. And i remember in that moment. I said okay if he's always tremendous what's my word in my words. Excellent ice i any given time any given day. Everyone in the company knows aid drawn. Hey doing excellent. I what i picked up on is you never knew if he was having a bad day. Or if he was having a great day because he was always tremendous. So you just knew that this interaction with him he was going to be tremendous and so for me i picked up on. That said you know what. I'm always excellent where it is served me is. It's a very positive way of thinking because some people say you know it's it's it's monday it's well well-documented with me you can get fired for saying thank god. It's friday around me. thank god. it's monday thank god. You woke up on tuesday because somebody didn't thank god. We had this incredible company. We get to work with and so if you have the type of career or you feel about your job or your role that you've got to trey two for five year in the wrong place so if you feel if you ever feel like you got drop a thank god. It's friday that you need to go find what's gonna make you happy because this obviously isn't it or you know it's monday. Oh same old shit. I don't those people around me. That that's a very negative pessimism. So actually i have a follow question. I'm very curious about this. Because what you just said you have a very low tolerance of entitlement assistance like oh my god surviving my day right and at the same time you also have tremendous love and compassion for human beings. So i'm curious in how how you actually ride it too because I i get both Let's see if i can ask a question and better way right so coming from where you came from. Do you have any kind of tolerance for any kind of complain from your wife from her kids from your employees of anything at all. I have had to grow and learn into that because i did have a very low tolerance. I'll share funny story with your at my my house even so maybe it's a saturday and kids each eat lunch about. Let's say i don't know we go somewhere. We're running errands throughout the day. And four o'clock comes around and gets hungry ingredient in my my wife. Say the kids are starving kids. And i'm like the hell. They are starving. I do you know what. It's like to friday at noon and you don't even get into. I go into this big. And i had to catch worse okay. But that's not their life. That's i era relative right. They're starving yeah right. They're like wait a minute. We usually have a snack somewhere between this and this in so but yes. I'm very more so for adults. We always humans especially adults. We get caught up in our own bubbles. We get caught up in our own surroundings. But when i hear people complain about their and it really doesn't happen here. It a scribe too much but any anyone complain about the role complain about what they're doing in life whatever it goes back to the mindset thing man right now right now. Ck there's a single mom with two kids literally doing this right now. Walking eleven hundred miles from honduras to try to cross the border into this country man on my worst day of being sexually molested of being left alone with that prostitute of being left with my half brothers and sisters on my worst day. I've never had to face that. I was born here. I was born. So i'm ahead of the game. I was born in this country. I just i keep everything in perspective. Man i you know i know if i walk outside of my office door right now. I'm looking over there. If i walk outside. I know within a one mile radius. Shit somebody trade places with me in a heartbeat. Hard hard to find complaints. That will come out of my mouth man. I i look at life is. There's a challenge. Let's overcome the challenge. I don't see should his problems. I don't see things as I just do my best to look at things in a positive light in in realized while there's somebody trying to get into this country right now there's somebody in a hospital bed right now. That may leave. that hospital bed met. I'm blessed my kids are health and your wife's healthy. The company's doing great in god. I've made so much money A phenomenal life. You do so. If i'm hugh you're right there's the microlenders mackerel whenever you feel any kind of. Let's say negative emotions. You may want to have the impulse to complain. Use zoom out to the to the macro to compare now own this immigrants from honduras trying to cross the border thousands of miles versus where you are and there's a way to snack. Snap byu back to gratitude. Is that what. I'm hearing and i don't mean this to be disrespectful i you said i i find myself in a place where i may want to complain. I don't ever find myself there. I just don't do it. I it's i guess because i've done it for so long. It's just natural to me that i'm not going to look at something from a negative position because negativity has never solved anything. You can only solve by. What's the how can we get through that it. That mindset alone is a positive because you're trying to get through it. That's not an oh this is happening. This happened to me Well because because my parents got divorced. When i was to my god you're twenty eight years old and you're telling me about your parents getting divorced when you do that no i refuse in. It's not a comparison. I never when people say you know. I had a hard life but nothing like yours like yours. Go no no no. It's not a comparison. You had your journey your journey. I have mine. we don't compare yes. Okay great let's go there if you don't mind. How do you find an other people story because again if you look at the absolute. It's pretty obvious. Who has it worse but subjectively maybe for them. Relatively they still. It's still really lays the worst for them. How you devan fine empathy and compassion for someone else is quote unquote hardship. Does that make sense when it does totally. I usually because people will usually approach me this way while. I don't have that background that you have to Reliable i i. My life was not that harsh in let people know. And this is what. They're shocked by. When i gave you the Honduras example. I rarely dip back into my own past for inspiration. I just look around me. The mom trying to get into the country. The person who has cancer. That's i've never had cancer. I've never experienced it. I haven't had any family or so. I don't know what that's like. But i know that if you're going to chemotherapy in this draining the hell out of you. I know that. I am blessed that right now. God's given me health summit to focus on that in. So i rarely use my own. Background is a place of gratitude. I just look around in in. See you know the the homeless community here. In austin i drive i see some of them and i say to myself man. I was like a half hour from that growing up. That could have been me. And i take my mind to a place of i get to go home to this gated community beautiful family. I it matter of fact. Let me give you a human aspect on this for me Last year not this christmas. But last christmas i'm driving home. I left the office early. I'm going to get home early. We're going to make some popcorn. We're gonna watch christmas cartoons blah blah blah with the kids and it was about thirty eight degrees which is cold here in texas and it was rainy. And so we're we're driving in traffic stopped. I mean i'm talking. Stop to the point where. I had to put the car park and i'm furious. I'm like what the inside text my wife. This all hit. I left early. I'm about to lose my shit. In the moment. I sat down my phone. It hit me. I said you ungrateful little punk ass. You grew up on bus stops in the winter with three feet of snow. You know what it's like to be hungry. You know what. It's like to to have to get dressed in front of the stove of the gas stove because the electricity is turned off. And you're sitting here mad. 'cause you're sitting in the six figure car with thousand dollar shoes on going to a gated community with a beautiful family. Shut the fuck up. And i sat there. I i put on christmas music. Enjoy too so so so. That's when the comes out inside your head to do a little smackdown in. Here's the thing. If i had to say what that equates to for me. It's self accountability. And if you look at in our country right now man accountabilities just lacking it. Everybody's trying to blame somebody else. Give excuses reasons. It's just pointing the finger very few people in take accountability. You know my wife. Scott friends are like. Oh well you know if i was such and such person in i had my own cook and i had a a nanny in. I had a personal chef. I could be in shape. It's just always a reason. Yeah it's always an excuse. Thank you don't go to the gym because you don't have all those they okay. It's in that it's it's rapid through through our country. It's always someone else's fault and you know we could go back to the beginning this conversation. Okay my dad was black moms white. This is what i'm working with. I don't know if you play poker. Here's the best way. I can say this If my life was a poker hand. I get delta. Two a three a six eight. But man i went all in with my hand. And that's what you have to do in life. just go all in. I'm not gonna make excuses. I'm not gonna blame. The dealer dealt me any hand. Nope it's what. I got a play the hell out of this and going all in in i. Just i refuse to make excuses reasons and dam. Sure i'm not going to be a victim. Yeah i mean that. That's really obvious. You might ask you some more questions about company culture and so forth. Yeah awesome thank you so if you tucker talked about your superpower like he's you know you have this like literal superpower you know in terms of like social intelligence services where people that want to. They certainly don't have your background a very unique background. How would you say to them as a way to cultivate their social intelligence to do really in my mind to petition. What that phrase means is the ability to understand what the other person is listening for and speak into the lessening. Is that an accurate definition you. You're you're pretty much doing it. With in the podcast. You're you're sitting here. You're asking me questions you're seeking to understand unfortunately for so many people who are in quote unquote leadership. They have the mentality that they're supposed to have all the answers. They have the mentality because they have three letters after their name. Cop hd nba es whatever the hell else that all of a sudden they're now this leader in and i'm like i made the joke. The other day said look man. I had three letters after my name long before. Ceo somebody looked like what ged. I said so. Three letters didn't change much It's it's listening. It's actually listening. It's surrounding yourself with people far smarter than yourself being being willing to admit that. I don't ever want to be the smartest person in the room you know. Here's a good one. The they gave out a at some. Ceo ward last december this past december. And i remember. I'm on the phone with the people. And i said look. I don't understand the whole. Ceo ward thing. I don't actually do the work i go. Yeah i support the the company and and i move. Some roadblocks and obstacles makes decisions sets some direction but the actual execution comes from the company. As so. here's the thing you only give me an award. Give me an award for hiring. Because i figured out how to hire people who are smarter than me in. I live by this. You're only as good as the great people. You're surrounded by. That's it in so it's listening paying attention truly listening that that i don't have all the answers. I don't need to be the smartest person the room. I don't wanna be the smartest person in the room. And that that in itself will help raise your Each social whatever it is it will help raise it because let go with the fact that you're the ceo and embrace the fact that your role is not to know all the answers. Tell people that. Hey guys i don't know but we're going to hear we're gonna figure this out together and we're gonna make some decisions. Yeah embrace it. So principally hundred percent agree with you and it's all about listening really listening for not what's being said explicitly. What's been said implicitly was set between lines but for those people who are listening i say driven i agree with you to be better at social intelligence that empathy at each hugh. What books tactical things. What could do to cultivate that because right. Now you're let's say use a professional sports analogy. You know you are the nfl level and you tell people just work out then you could be an nfl and right right. What are the steps. You know what. I mean like fontham knowing what you know. What are the eighty twenty skills. Do this do this do this to start off. Here's what i would say number one. I ask questions truly seeking to learn. I have learned this about people. Generally when someone ask you a question when someone asks you a question the first question is at what they're actually asking for now now. Don't get me wrong You can even see this with kids. If you've got an ice cream cone you'll hear the kids. They'll say oh. I like ice cream. They actually ask for anything like ice cream because they want to see if you're gonna offer them some and it doesn't actually change a lot of as you become an adult so a lot of times people will come with a question and it's not even the question that they're actually looking to ask so. I always go three levels deep so someone comes to me and says hey. How do we Xyz immediately. I i i'm no for this throughout the country The company. I rarely will answer question first time. So if you come to me with the question will say hey we gotta look into this you know. What are your thoughts on doing. This for xyz. And i'm like look. I've got my thoughts. But what are yours immediately. Gimme gimme your thoughts. Then as they're giving me their thoughts. I'm going to ask another question about their thoughts. So we're going to have a full blown discussion now or whatever this you've come to me in rarely am i ever gonna give a direct answer. I'm just gonna keep pulling information from you that that's the key for me. Someone asked me yesterday. What makes a good negotiator in in business. I believe it's actually listening in asking questions. It's not so much you know air everybody's quick didn't want to tell you the features and benefits of what they're trying to sell and the fact of the matter is okay. I'm going to listen to you. I'm going to ask questions from you. i. I have to learn but we're quick to want to you. Know push our initiative when you have featuring benefits this is why you should buy it I want to listen to you. I i wanna understand what what you want. So the the key that the number one thing that i would say to your point what something tactical when someone comes to you with a question asked what. Their thoughts are about the question that they're they're asking. I appreciate that. That's very tactical under note of joining. Scribe how did you know that this was a soul impact fit and i use that phrase specifically because professional. Ceo could easily. You could easily join any other as asics and do this. Why did you pick scribe as you innovation. And how did you know that there was a cultural fit for your style as was as well as what you want to contribute. So it didn't necessarily know there was a culture fit in in truth be told. I didn't even learn culture until i was at the software company and prior to joining scribe. You know when. I was in sales. I learned it. Okay and cells all you have to be worried about yourself. Kind of goes back to that emotional thing with other people as i say i just outdo me and so make money. That was it so i learned okay. I won't be the number one salesperson. I learned culture at the software company. In i'll i'll i'll lead you describe in how this came to be. When i was at the software company i was hired as the lowest paid person in the company. I was the sales guy. And i sat on a fold out metal chair in a storage closet to make my calls within a fast within two years i became the president of the company and we scale that company from that storage closet with thirteen people to well over one hundred people in. We have offices in. Austin houston dallas in monterrey mexico and to this day. I don't write code in so where i learned. Culture was as the sales guy. I should have been fired. Seventy different times. In the reason being is i was a toxic to the culture. I was so good at selling. No one could tell me anything. No one could say anything to me. It was all about. Hey i closed it. You need to deliver. Get it done but i then got promoted to. Edp of sales marketing so then not only was iot toxic person. I created a toxic team of sales and marketing like. Hey we're going to be the best in the company. I don't care what anybody else is doing. But we we're gonna do this. And then i got promoted a president in iran. And i remember i walked in one morning on. I'll never forget this. I was the first one in the office. I turn on the lights. I looked around and said holy shit. I'm responsible for all of this now in. Hit me like okay. I'm only as good as the great people. I'm surrounded by m. I got to put people first because if i don't have great people around me. There's no way i'm going to be able to do this. And it took me back to the book. I read in my early twenties thinking grow rich. And i'm gonna paraphrase. It took me to the story of henry ford when they had him on trial and they said that he was not fit to run a company that big because his lack of education. And i remember when i first listened to. The story really touched me but he he he was on trial and they were asking them all kinds of just nonsense quite you know spanish inquisition. Who knows in. And then he finally got fed up. And again i'm paraphrasing. He stopped and he said look. I assure you for every question. I don't know the answer to. I am surrounded by people that i can go to. And get the answer and hit me on my. Oh i don't need to know all this. I just gotta make sure that we're surrounded by people who know all the answers who can guide the guide the decision making that we can have a council with and make decisions that will best serve the company. And that's where. I i learned that you know are made the decision. Okay you had to put people. I if you don't put people first none of this matters so i operate by people process in prophets. So go so. I'm going to lovely challenge you again right because you said yours you know solo high performer. Rhys soul team of high-performing quote unquote right outcome driven culture. You know screw screw everyone else you know. Let's let's just go get it. That's that's that's how you rise the position of president and then right now you are saying you re thinking back you know you got the the president title and you flip the switch to servant people first. Ceo at that moment. That's a huge jump from. Because what you were were what you were doing was working for you in the smaller scale like it could not be that easy as in our. I'm gonna flip the switch to now people i so if he can't see ck I hate to say it man. But not i don't hate to say it was truly like when i flip that switch on to turn on the lights in the office that day. The same switch went off my head that you can do this. All by yourself better surround yourself. Now i'm going to be fair. Here's the other part. There was a gentleman. I worked with literally to this day. One of the smartest people i've ever met man is brilliant software engineer. He had a an engineering degree. You know he. He had the master's degree he had all the credentials and he was great at what he did. But i became the president. He sat in a room with me. And this goes back to the your your Proving people he sat in a room with me and he said hey. I don't agree with the decision to make you. President is. I think it's the it's the wrong decision is that i think it's a bad decision. He said but i will get on board okay and i remember sitting there. I'm like oh you dared out me. And i remember thinking that and i said okay so you know i'm gonna prove you wrong. And he said okay. I'll make a deal with you. You prove me wrong in. i'll buy you a drink. I'm like i don't drink. And he said that's the highest compliment. That i can give you is to buy buy you. Beer said okay so he myself in at the time. Our chief architect. Were on a massive cells cau- in wichita kansas out. What company is in wichita massive cells call in we closed the deal and i was leading the presentation and everything we closed the deal. So we're at a restaurant afterwards. And he looks at me he says. Hey kind of beard you like. I said you know. This is like two years after. I had been promoted. My when you don't drink. I always told you i'd buy you a beer. If you prove me wrong angle. Prove you wrong at what he said remember. I told you. I felt that that was the wrong decision to make you president. I said yeah. I said i. Will you beer man. I was one of the greatest feelings ever. I loved that that feeling. When i didn't drink beer but but a symbolic gesture juster in so that in itself you know. I realized i was still in that. Prove it moten to to your point because he was one in is still one of the smartest people i've ever met an good man to. I mean he meant. He took his kids on boy scout trips. He adhered talk to his wife. He was so nice and loving in just a really in. I regret that. I never told him. You know if i had to say had a regret that may be one. He was a good man you know he was hard but he he was a good man. And it's i learned. I learned a lot from him. But i realize oh i got him here. Oh okay the the lady. it doesn't finance. She's she's she solid. And i realized okay. You got all the pieces now. We gotta bring it together in have a true team in environment. But like i said man. I should have been fired back. When i was the sales guy. Even the mvp in fast describe now. Actually something just came to me speaking. I guess i didn't really connect dots until i had to hear multiple times that when you are clear about your northstar in your clear about the goals you wanna hit and you're willing to put in the work too hard work hours all these things to make it work. You don't hold your own identities as gospel so to speak. You are very fluid about the approach you take. You can forgive about the past stain. The president just be extremely fluid. Is that an accurate. Recap of hundred percent hundred percent if we write it down. It's happening unstoppable. It's i refer to myself internally always said to myself okay. I'm like a flood of water. You know you can take your glass of water and you can drink it great But a flood of water. It doesn't matter what's in. Its way it's coming through over around underboard water it's coming in always we internally have always referred to myself as i'm a flood water. I'm coming no no matter what i'm coming in a force to be reckoned with Reminds me of that. Be like water. My friend bruce the quote. I don't know if you heard that before. Yes yeah yeah no. I appreciate that. So so in that though so i have a question as mit perhaps a spiritual question or mental model question but we are human beings. We'll have egos right. How do you make sure that the ego for that that desires the recognitions. The you know the respect in the all of that not to flare up and let it run you like. How do you master or discipline your ego so that you are serving your innovation rather this desire to be respected and start. Does that make sense it. Does i feel that. It truly goes into a acknowledgement. In what i mean by that is a. Here's a great example. I don't give a damn about being named joe ceo year. Ceo this what's important to me. Are the awards that we've won based on culture. You know best place to work in austin because it's a it's a blind survey that our tribe members we call ourselves a tribe that are tribe members take in based on their feedback is how we rank in when we hit number one in austin. That's huge because oh wow where we are doing something right so the the approach is all the little things i say stuff like this. No one works for me. People work with me. No one's boss three letters after my name. Don't don't mean anything if you are in leadership in this company you are a direct support. We don't have direct reports. Somebody's reporting to you. Your role is to support people because you're in leadership so it's a whole mentality that you take on of the acknowledgement. The cred all the video awards at meaningless. The goal for me is. How do we create this incredible company culture where people are just knocking down the door to wanna work here Where people can sit back and say. Wow you know even if i want to. I can retire from this company where we put people first win last year in twenty twenty when we went shelter in place in march. You know this. Most companies in america took massive revenue. Hits we were different two days after we made the announcement to shelter in place. I announced to the company i said. Look regardless of what happens. No one in this company will be laid off because of this virus in. It was important to me that we do that. Because in that moment people needed stability needed reassurance because we had people who had just had babies just bought homes people whose partners and spouses were being laid off furloughed so i can only imagine what it was like to sit home like. Oh my god what's going to happen with us. So i wanted people to know you were safe. If nothing else you are safe here. No one will be laid off in. I remember sitting back way. All right now we gotta pull that off now. We gotta make that happen. And i'll be damned. C k twenty twenty our best year in company history. Yes that's awesome. I love it so when you when you watch other company leaders. Because i know you you you know you speak at yohanan. You speak throughout the entrepreneurs all the time. How do you discern when somebody who like you. Who is the real deal. Who's who's you know. Basically flipped org chart in being the bottom to serve house. How do you ensure that will one your executive follow sued as well not. Just say yeah. Yeah yeah i get it but still do you want the ego. Ick stroke and also. How do you look at other entrepreneurs who who may say. Do these pretty words but not necessarily being that like how do you do sern some of whose imposter serving leader versus authentic serving reader. So we had the incredible position that you know every every monday we have our executive meeting so in in that executive meaning. You know there's accountability. There's your we you are living by the principles and values of this company. And if you're not then you're you're not fit for the role so those monday morning meetings every monday we all i. It's it's all about Ego checking making sure that that were in service of the tribe in in the company again. I don't really care the leadership that just means you you serve and support great. It's all about the people that you serve and support when i'm out in in public or meaning other executives or i'm never really interested in those individuals i'm more interested in their executive teams or the people who they work with. Because i feel like okay. If you're doing what you're saying you're doing it will show with them just like this. Here's here's a great one. Everyone celebrates jeff bezos. And as they should he was the founder. He was on his hands. And he's out there. You know putting books in boxes. And i get but very few people if i say the name jeff. Wilke know who that is jeff. Wilke was was Jeff bezos is president of the company. Since like ninety eight so much of that success that you see it wasn't just jeff bezos. It was jeff wilke and all those people who were there that contributed over over the years. I've always said this ceo's in my opinion are over. Celebrated it takes a team of people to execute. Yes c. o.'s. Set some direction yes. Eeo's make some decisions but you've gotta have the right people in place to execute if you don't have the right people none of it matters. Yeah you don't know this. But i i used to be the chief culture officer of a of a startup we. We went from idea to two hundred plus people and um so everything that you said definitely resonates deeply with me People we are what we make in a if the ceo or the founder you know. Have the right alignment right. A clear idea nor star as well as the right team around them It's it makes them much much easier to succeed and it wasn't if you don't have the right fit you know especially amounts to the founding teams It's very easy to no matter. What amount of capital raise the the direction goes to be very misaligned and then the chaos would be ample pfeiffer there as well totally only got its to touch on that a little bit there When when i use you said cap capital raising. It threw me off there for a second. We're six years old. no debt. No loans no venture capital no private equity were profitable and i tell people all the time i go. No where the real damn unicor. Not we work. And so because it's In this world of profitability. You know it. it's i. I've just struggled to see wire. Company celebrated that have never made a profit isn't the goal to make a profit. And you know you've got some massive names out there that ogres the lifts the slacks have never made a damn dime and that's mind blowing to to me But to your point is well When when we're talking about the mindset of people the way you interact in leadership. I will say if i had to say was influential in something. It's the words that we speak. We literally have an internal Language bible everyone knows. everyone knows. We're not saying hope. Wish your luck that will. That didn't come out of anybody's mouth in in this company as a non negotiable non-negotiable does not we. We actually have a language bible. Even this think about this second. I know you've heard this. You can see it on. Tv commercials customer satisfaction. Is our number one driver customers. Actually think about this for second if my wife goes to girls night tonight and she sitting there with five ladies in someone said hey. How's your husband. If my wife said on he's he's a satisfactory husband. I'm gonna be pissed off. I don't want to be a satisfactory so one says. Hey how's your dad is he. Dead is satisfactory. But it's the damn thing in business. Were striving for customer satisfaction. Is our number one goal. Really they think of the mentality of that. I don't want anyone in here to be satisfied when people to be fulfilled. I won't be able to be happy. Were striving for customer for film it. We're not striving for satisfaction. What a low bar. That is awesome. Are there other tactical things that you could share. You know other maybe practices or how you run meetings and things like that as a way to cultivate this empathy this desire for service more you came from a very different place and basically everyone had their own journey so in company settings everyone's going to have different skill sets right. How do you you know Escalating and towards his mastery of the skills around empathy and compassion and service. So i i probably myself operating from a very common sense. Third grade level in one of our company principles is ask questions. I don't believe there's a stupid question. I gotta give love to my third grade teacher. Mrs dudek she said there was no dumber stupid question. I've been asking questions. Ever since. I build issue that you know that was porter that was ninth grade. English kids She didn't mess around. But mrs said there's no dumber stupid question. I've been asking questions ever since. May i've built a career on asking questions and so the culture here yet. And i say this to people in interviews. Everyone has worked at a company where you can get fired for asking too many questions. Everyone's worked at one of those places here. You can literally get fired for not asking enough questions if if you make a mistake in its by way of you didn't ask a question because you didn't wanna look dumb or stupid. You're not a culture fit. Because i will sit meeting and you saw this firsthand. So this isn't just me preaching rhetoric you saw when you said bravado. I don't even know what that means. I sit in meeting. Still people have gone to harvard. Duke law school university of chicago. I'm sitting in meetings. And i'll say hope timeout. What's that mean. Tell me what that word means in. We'll i'll stop a meeting. So i understand and i want people realize i'll stop with meeting. Ask a question. Everyone should stop meeting to to ask a question if you don't know what it means. More importantly like i said i from third grade commonsense level. Every everyone's gonna sit here. Oh man yeah. That's that's true when i say this. How many times have you been sitting in a room and you wanted to ask a question and you didn't ask a question and then someone else ask your question and you thought oh good. I'm glad they asked that every time you have a question. There are three to five other people in the room to have the same question in the bigger the room. The more people have the same question. So when question pops in your mind as the damn question. So i'm very big from a culture standpoint on asking questions. Optimism is one of our values putting people first impeccable attention to detail Things that you don't actually learn in school are things that have served be a very very. Well here's another word. From a customer standpoint. People will pay up to a hundred and twenty thousand dollars to publish their book. People are not paying to think the penis to no end so when world on a call with an author when we're interacting with an author new. You dare say think. They're not paying us to think they're paying us to know if he would. People have said well. What do you mean. I said i'm gonna give you the the ultimate example c k if you and i right now decide. We're going to go climb mount everest. It's about eighty thousand dollars to hire tour guide aka sherpa and they're gonna take us up this mountain so you and i are thrown on our backpacks were high five. Yeah we're not gonna. We're going up the mountain. Whatever and then we turn to the sherpa and we say hey. Are we going this way if that sherpa says no. I think we're going to hold the hell on my back family. What do you mean you think. I want to be told no. We're going this way whether permitting we're going to base camp here whether permitting we're going here and if the weather gets too bad or coming back down this way i'm not paying eighty thousand dollars. Think i'm paying eighty thousand dollars in. No you want someone with certainty yes Yeah who is not wishy. Washy exactly out the approach so little things like that. It's all little. Things added up that that make the culture that makes the difference that set the tone. There's no one big brick or iraq or anything like that. It's all the little things that you have implemented in you do it with consistency. The can i. If i had to say there was one word. If people in say will what's one thing consistency you have to consistently execute on those things. Was there a mistake. You made that really cement at those lessons. You wanted aware. Okay my uncle bobby. When i lived with him he took me in because nobody else had nowhere else to go so he took me in. And my uncle bobby used to own duplexes rental homes and this is back section eight welfare in back in the day there were no guidelines like people could just treat the house like shit and then when they move you know they did have any guidelines you didn't get kicked out the section eight program today get kicked out of the program anyway so people would move out these houses in ck. They were horrible. Imagine the worst episodes of orders in dirty diapers stacked up in the corner ranted food in the refrigerator. They were just nasty picture in. My mind has yes and so my uncle bobby would say okay. You guys need to go clean the clean out the houses so he dropped myself off in a couple of my cousins and literally. He'd go play golf and he'd leave us there and he tells us okay. I'll be back in four hours. Six hours is so we had to clean everything. And that is where i learned impeccable attention to detail so my uncle bobby would show back up in you know. He'd checked ernie dust or crumbs in the corner. He'd walk through look at the floors and just check everything on this one occasion there. There was such a fine crack in one of the windows. Like you couldn't even see. It was in the corner in the ios. Hey how can you guys didn't take this window. And i'm like cool bobby. You can't even see it. He says what this means here. Also represents what's in there. So if i can see it from out here that means the inside of this house isn't clean as well and he said you need to have attention to detail everything you do and that stuck with me and i thought to myself. Wow so you now. I walk around. It's it's one of our principals in the company by way of local bobby impeccable attention to detail. If if i'm in the Restroom and there's other offices here in our building in there's paper towels on the floor. I pick them up. Put them in the trash. What am i so great. That i can't bend over for two seconds and pick-up some a paper towel. Put them in the trash so yeah impeccable attention to detail and that's a lesson that i learned it didn't come from business. It literally came from my uncle. Bobby and and i teach my kids. They run around the house all the time. Impeccable attention to detail. so i. it's i feel that is is served me very well do you. So this is a totally a curious question Do you so my some of my ceo friends would basically intentionally put themselves in hard really difficult situation. So you might for me is like i watched the ceremonies and things like that just physically intense spartan race ice bath right this type of situations some other. They will basically become homeless for for a couple of weeks. Some which say c k which is bullshit. Because you when you know that you've got twenty five grand bank hundred thousand five hundred thousand dollars in the bank. Never really truly homeless. You're not putting you you. You know that there is an into what you're doing. I've always been intrigued by people. Say oh well. I want to. Experience would is like to be homeless when you don't have anywhere to go and you don't have any money then you're homeless when you know that you can get up off that park bench at any given moment and go home. You know homeless. You're just choosing to be in a situation right and the circumstances but not the actual experience of desperation. Things like that exactly. That's the homeless. Problem is when in take offence to it. Because when i was thirteen in i was on that bus stop in all i had was that little suitcase. I was homeless there. There's i didn't have a job. i didn't have any money. My mother my mother was in texas. She didn't know where i was. My dad was in england. He didn't know where i was. I had nowhere to go. So when i hear. Ceo's role play being homeless. Let me get the hell. Out of here i am. I managed to get a reaction out of. I did i did. So maybe may maybe a let me phrase in a different way. Are there things that you put your executives or your kids in a simulated environment. So then they can have maybe not the actual experience but a simulated experience of hardship or adversity. Or you know difficulties or challenges such that. They would have more wisdom and insights and gratitude. Do anything like that out. How i haven't done it with my my children yet. My oldest is seven. So i haven't done with him. Yeah i very much plan to but here with the executive team constantly. I'll say i'll make up a scenario okay. So this. This happened so and so resigned. Whatever can't get a hold of me where do you wanna do you know. Slack me the plan. What would that look like. What are you an execution this. What what are you going to do. this this past monday i literally i sat there and said hey Serious for you. All if i resigned. Who's going to take over the ceo responsibility. What do you guys wanna do. You got some interesting answers versus shit. I'm out watering right. I'm out in someone else say. Well i'm gonna try to figure out how we get you back i but then it's okay. Put all that aside. What do you all do in in. What was interesting is like well. We probably ended up having to bring someone in from the outside. That said okay. So then what. And i took him do this. I said remember. Our company has been built on its current structure. I said if you go bring someone from the outside then you also have to realize that you're going to have an exodus of people who are like. That's not what i signed up for. They don't know this per- that person doesn't know the culture and you could see their face like oh never thought of that and so we will go through scenarios like the head of really testing the thought process. How would you execute this. what would you do. But don't know. I've not put them in any type of wasco situations or anything like that. Well and and being half series when i when i asked this question because adversity reveals one's character in you came out china and bright in spite of all the serious challenges and molestations. You know people being violent you and so forth so even though it's not the real deal things like spartan race or ice bath disciple type intense type things does give people glimpses or you even glimpses of okay. So this is how they're alike on their adversity kind of a thing. So that's why i question you know it's it's interesting to think about this last year. Ck the virus disruption the protests the election current time. I don't feel the need to put the team. Under any additional stresses joy. It's what what i'm looking for. Now is to create an environment of safety support Consistency in people again. World may be on fire but you all is well. It's crowd that's a very wise. The statement you just made right versus me being an emotional savant asking you about questions on challenges way you just may actually is a very. Why stay man. You mind if i ask you some rapid fire questions cool with you. Thanks so much What's so these questions came from the audience. So what is one of the best investments at you have remained you could time relationships etc so when you said investment i'm gonna give you. The first thing came to my mind. Because i don't see my wife as as an investment. She's the greatest blessing i've ever had. And then second to that or my kids but when when you say investment me firstly i think of our stocks. So it'd be you saw excited. I got Back in man. What was this thirteen. Maybe two thousand thirteen. American airlines filed bankruptcy. And i was going through there. I love business. I love studying. Why did this happen. What was going on. Why did see ios make this decision. So i i'm a student of business. I can watch documentaries on business all day. So american airlines filed bankruptcy. And i'm like damn another going down. Twa how paint him went out now. American airlines what's going on. So i started studying their financials and i'm like wait a minute. They've got four billion dollars in cash. I'm like they're not filing bankruptcy. And so i started digging into it. They couldn't come to terms with the pilot's union. The file attendance union hell. I ain't even though the baggage handlers. Had a you so. I'm like oh they can't get all this together so they just said okay. We're gonna file bankruptcy. Stock went down like twenty five cents. And i said man. They're going to come out. They're gonna come out of bankruptcy. I said or somebody's going to buy them. So i got in in again being the the ignorant person that i am. I don't say that as a negative no one had ever taught me that. You don't put ninety percent of your net worth in anyone investment so at the time i could ninety percent of my net worth into american airlines and i said okay i just need to stock to a dollar is so the stock went up a little over dollar in then. It came out that the bankruptcy attorney approved american airlines to by four more Before or either forty more jets. And i said see a new. They were always when we give you approval by new jets. If you're going bankrupt in the stock jumped up like three bucks. I'll sweep the stock. Got up to about five. Then word came out that night. United airlines it was us airway us. Air was thinking about a merger. Boom stock went up again so long story short. Got in thirty five cents got out at thirteen and change best best investment. I ever made awesome then in here. Here in the office to mandate is we have a channel called investment channel. I post. I literally post every stock that i buy so everybody can see i tell you what i bought how much i bought when i'm selling it. So there's no bullshit of like a someone on one of the financial channels we recommend but they don't actually own the stock. Nope i show you how much i spent. How many i bought when. I'm going to sell it what i'm gonna do. Everyone in here knows. I showed in two thousand sixteen. I bought think it was like thirty. Five hundred shares of amazon for seven hundred and forty nine dollars and it is documented on there and people see it and you know today. I think amazon's probably like thirty three hundred share. Wow that question wasn't meant for specific investment. But i love. I love the direction that you're taking like investment to me. That's what came to my mind so you said rapid fire. I'm thinking okay. First thing comes to mind that. Stay in time giving. Yeah since since you have nothing to lab on your on your ears as one of your clients. I think could be a really interesting exercise since you love investments so much that you have you know on angel Like a like a syndicate right. So you can essentially lead. Have your own fund so people can invest with you Any any other Investment that you wanted to mention in terms of time money relationships best best investment is is like i said creating your three to five pillars. What it does is it in life where you know. You can't do it all. it's just a fact. I love golf but until my kids are all old enough to take golf lessons and play with me. I'm not going to spend four and a half hours on a round of golf and take that away from my kids. So god. Health family business and investing. That's man if it doesn't fall within that i don't do it. That's that right. There is the best investment. I've made in my life. There you know when people are running around talking. Ck you've heard me talk about this ad. People running around talking about work. Life balance work life balance. Everybody attacks work. Don't work sixty seventy hours. Don't check your emails in the morning. oh we should. We have a four day workweek. No one checks themselves on life. How 'bout you not watch friday through sunday and have the nerve to wake up on monday pissed because you haven't achieved your dreams and goals. How about you not go to the bar thursday through sunday then be pest on monday because you haven't achieved your dreams or goals so no one checks themselves on on the life side things. Don't complain that you're twenty pounds overweight. But you're you just went through the drive through at mcdonalds in you know when you say work life balance everyone attacks work no one attacks. What what they're doing life and think about this last time you heard someone say then. We've been studied our 401k. All weekend never. I love how. You're such a advocate and defender for the higher self dairy versus giving forgiveness to the human side. Right the the the the lower self sort of thing. So i appreciate that Okay next question Any specific advice for people who have been laid up due to covid who. Yeah these are simple questions of course. Yeah that that wouldn't is. Because there's so many facets to it you know. I dare to even try to answer that because my wife and i were just talking about this last night. If you're a single mom and you've got two kids and your kids are having to distance learning and you got laid off. What are you supposed to do. So there's so many facets in answers and details that go into that i. I don't know that i can even touch that one. I will say this. i'll give one scenario. I'm a single person. I got laid off. I'm collecting unemployment. And i'm studying every damn thing. I can get my hands on For the craft. That i'm interested in a marketing. Beat investing be what whatever it is man. I eight eight hours a day. i i'm you know obviously sending out my resumes. I'm trying trying to find employment but the rest of the time ho man. I'm doing nothing but immersing myself into the craft that i want to be an expert at beautiful. Thank you what does. Jt do when feeling focused on feeling unfocused here at the office. I'll walk around and look you can see part of a behind me. So we've got this massive wall in the conference room. We call it the the stadium and it's nothing but the books published in here a walk around and look at what we've accomplished you know. This company was founded in tucker's condo. And i remember. I started with him in a going to his condo to for the company. And i look at what we've become now. How many people we have the the year we had last year. We short answer. I focus in on what we've accomplished as a focal point to know what can be done in in. That's where that that brings me back to to be able to focus Even when i. So that's what i want. I'm here at the office. I'll walk around or walk around upstairs. Look at what we've accomplished. I see how many people we hired. And i get to work with and that helps me bring me back to that perspective and gives me focus when i'm at home Somewhere i sit in parts of the house that most people wouldn't i go sit in a corner of the house that for what wouldn't no need to sit there but i look at the house from a different angle. I may go sit in my daughter's bedroom in look the house from the different angle i. It's always attached to gratitude. Gratitude brings me back to focus. Is the short answer Even even when. I go outside man to take out the trash in the garage. I look at the fact that you two cars and their three car garage I admire myg roj. It's just a garage you know. Yeah it's got the the the nice floor and stuff like that but I'm thankful i have a garage. And so gratitude always gets me refocused. Thank you for that. When you're dealing with someone else who mean who may feel a little entitle may forget about this gratitude that you talked about. How do you gently and kindly remind them about you. Know being grateful or you don't you or you don't do it so gently i'm not always very gentle about that one because none of us are entitled to anything in its for me. Life is a is a true blessing in. Were not entitled to tomorrow. So if you get it. It's a blessing. Take advantage of it. Make the most of it So what do you say to them. Though used you say exactly that. Yes i i say that in sometimes i do. I'll give you want in in my in when i interview so so everyone who gets hired into the company has to be interviewed by me. I'm the last person that you speak to before you're hired and i always ask people i said okay. Most of the people have done some type of research on my background. So they know you know some of the story. I said okay you you know my my background. I know where i come from. Fractured blah blah blah. I said no. Give me the hardest thing you've ever overcome. I said don't tell me was a thesis paper when you were getting your degree. I only hear shed said give me. Give me the hardest thing you real deal. Yeah what what. What's interesting is. Because immediately they start they they realized there in a place where oh he led with you. Know my background. So they can't come with some little soft ass story so they're going to have to dig deep and give me something in depending on what it is that that really shares a lot about this person i remember one time we did a group interview and it was only time we ever did it. We did a group interview. And i went around the room and i asked everyone in the rest of hey. Why do you think you're here. Why do you. How do you think you made it to this point of the interview and i remember one lady said she goes because i went to yell and i was like ooh ooh there was such a part of me to just wanted to write them which you just need to go ahead and leave now now polite. You're i let him finish out the interview. But i'm like you realize that has zero to do with you especially with me like that. Holds no bearing when you being here whatsoever. Oh my gosh. that's a funny story. Thank you very okay last question then we'll complete to more ck. I'm sure you got two more of that. I i could speak to you for hours due to war or just you know while spring. So what are some bad recommendations you hear out there for young professionals that just like drive you like. Oh my god. I can't believe these people are giving out such bad advice. That makes you skin. Crawl that kind of advice. It's the here's what a immediately popped in my head. I say rapid fire questions and give you. The first thing comes in my mind. I was the president software company. We were. I think they were having like a hackathon or something and i hung out on. I wouldn't hack and shit. But i was hanging out with everybody. He i weren't hacking shit hacking some but one of the guys there he heard me say go look into ultimate goal is to create a company where people can retire from sets goal. Said if you go back to our grandparents or great grandparents. They worked at jobs thirty four years ago. No one does that anymore. People used to actually pay off thirty year mortgages. No one does that anymore. The average person is in a home five and a half years at sad when you think about the memories that are made in house. The christmas is the thanksgiving's the birthdays but then he said to me he goes. Oh man. I'm so relieved why he was my guidance. Counselor told me that. I should find a new job every two years in he said. How long have you been here now. They said eighteen months. I had already started looking at. Why would someone give you that dumb ass advice if you find a great place that you love working. If you're making the salary that you enjoy you love people you work. Why would you leave. And he goes. I thought that i was supposed to emily. Oh no that's that's a horrible advice. Says that was the first thing that i thought about it. A matter of fact. I was talking to a person just yesterday. One of our tribe members asked me. If i'd speak to her cousin and their cousin called me and he said that he was thinking about leaving said. How long have you been at the company. Said three and a half years. So how old are you twenty eight. I mean you need stay to your at the company for five years and he said why i said people your age right now said you guys have worked at seven different places by the time. You're twenty eight years old. I said when you're thirty and you've been there five years you can walk into an interview and say things that other people can't you're loyal you're loyal you're looking for longevity. You're looking for a company you can grow with. I go very few people can say that. Now and people people say it but the resume doesn't show it. Your resume will show it if you stay there five years. And he was like wow. That's i go now now. You've you've just increased your value in the marketplace. Just by staying there for five years you'll be thirty it thirty. It's not the so. I have a question personally. You effectively have two jobs. You have the role of ceo and you also very generous in going out and speak and speak to people like me as a as a speaker. How do you balance the two well like. How do you reconcile in your mind to do. Both god to a well god l. family business in investing you prioritize man you can fit in. Here's something you said. Share some wisdom. There's no success without sacrifice. I don't care who you are. You will sacrifice for success you have to. You cannot be success without sacrifice in. i'll take it to the highest levels. Watches lebron james. Everyone seems lebron. James hundred million dollars a year has his own shoe championships but no one talks about that wind. Load lebron james on an eleven game road trip. He's not with his family. He's missing his his kids Games in in plays and activities. He's not there. he's not there for family dinner. He's not there to tuck them in in so that sacrifice so doesn't matter he's making one hundred million dollars sacrifice and people can sit there and say oh well for one hundred million dollars. You know i do well. That's great but you know what you can't recreate the bird the actual birthday you get. I don't care how much money you have. You cannot recreate the actual birthday. And so he sacrifices. Now i'll take it up a level. Look at these presidents bill clinton george bush barack obama when all three winning office they all had young daughters at the highest level in. We know the role of a president. They miss birthdays. They missed events. They missed holidays. They miss family dinners. There is zero success without sacrifice. You will have to sacrifice something. The goal in life is to find the things that are most meaningful to you in be cut throat with everything else. Don't let it get in the way. Don't don't don't do this. Don't go to dinner with your friend that you haven't seen in in three months and you're you're enjoying the mall. Gosh see you and forever but how you doing whatever and then your food comes out and you actually have the nerve to sit there and take three pictures of your food because you're going to post it on instagram and we all know you never get the first one right so you take three pictures. You posted on whatever social media platform. Then you set. Your phone does so see. What do you do in what i do. I pick my phone up. Oh i got to like how sweet sweet. So i put it back down so so what else. What else is going to pick it up. God forbid i get a comment on. Now i gotta say what the hell one. Nobody gives a fuck what you're eating for lunch. I don't air. You're wasting quality time with that individual spending time connecting with that person showing them. You appreciate the fact that they took time out of their day to spend with you in your posted. A picture of your who is still in my mind is still altman gift. The presence in the time they can never ever get back. You always always make more money can can. I can always make more money man. But i cannot get back more time in. Its for me man having my my four children. It's like having a human calendar you just see how fast they grow my seven year old. I it just seems like yesterday that she was the same age as the two year. Old here they are at a seven year old a two year old man. You cannot get back the time. And i'll be damned if i'm going to waste my telling you. I just checked in at the gym or taking a picture of my food or or posting a picture at the beach insane gratitude. If you're so grateful enjoy the damn moment instead of trying to impress everybody that you're at the beach i i look forward to hearing this particular point as your kids grow up. Because they're born into this whole world of social media and you know might status is based on the number of hours and likes and so forth. i. I'd be very curious. Know how you're be parenting. You're young kids. And i'm gonna i'm gonna try to keep my kids off trial my wife and i talk about this If it's up to me my kids won't have a phone until somewhere. Maybe seventh eighth grade The other thing is and this is again. Some people won't agree with this. My opinions what we do with our kids. You know my kids go to private christian school different set of values in so for for me. My goal is at my kids. Don't have a cell phone until they're in seventh grade I don't want them to be on social media in feel that their self worth is built on many likes they got such bullshit. I do you like yourself. do you love yourself. I don't give a damn if someone that is just connected to me on whatever. Social platform likes. My post. likes my outfit. Do you like it. And i told my daughter. All the time she'll come out and travel outfit and she'll say dad. I am i pretty. I said yes but do you work hard. I say because. I know a lot of people who don't work hard in. That's not a good combination. Should be work hard. Are you kind. Are you smart. tell me that. And she's like yes said. Okay it then. You're pretty. i love that. Always a chance to 'cause you're acknowledging her for the effort versus the looks does looks really didn't have anything to do with. She was giving this right gene versus the effort. The kindness the gesticulation the words as coming out of her own sovereign self her own agency rather than this thing. That's inherited thanks to compare that she's got every it's interesting every day Sometimes two three times a day. My kids i say okay. What are your things. I'm smart. i'm great. I'm a leader. Hard work greatness positive attitude and stand up for yourself in the to recite those two three times a day. I love it. John j. t. Thank you so much for sharing so generously with us with me your presence your time your hero's journey from the darkest places where you are today. I mean honestly i. I'm really inspired just the kindness that you exude the president's you have this. This fierce stands for agency for sovereignty that we can thrive in spite of whatever circumstances challenges to comes our way and you do it with kindness and generosity and respect. I just so appreciate you as as a new friend as a as a as a guest. someone that that i look up to you. Inspire me to be even more open with my own past our humanity as a teaching tool to share with others that day too can overcome or to achieve their dreams. So thank you so much for being the light. Mir-mira kate i- incredibly humbling to to hear that. I appreciate it this. This is good stuff. Bear scrape conversation. I feel like we without the food. We get to go to lunch together. Sure sure i look for in person. Hopefully at some point we get you do this again. Excellent you you tell me when will make it happen.