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Poll Suggests New Yorkers Are Undecided On Who Will Get Their Vote For Mayor

The Joe Piscopo Morning

00:35 sec | 2 weeks ago

Poll Suggests New Yorkers Are Undecided On Who Will Get Their Vote For Mayor

"What's going on a new poll finds 50% Of Democratic New Yorker voters don't know which mayoral candidate they will vote for in the June 22nd primary in the Pontus Advisers, Court Decision Analytics, Pole entrepreneur and former presidential candidate Andrew Yang leads the pack of candidates with 16% surveyed saying they will vote for him in second place. 10% Brooklyn borough president, Eric Adams, followed by Maya Wiley at 6%. The survey finds, though, that 50% of likely voters are still unsure who they will support come June. The poll finds that Yang still has the strongest name recognition 85% of those surveyed Say they have

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ANALYSIS: So You Wanna Be New York City Mayor, Huh?

Brian Lehrer

04:18 min | 3 months ago

ANALYSIS: So You Wanna Be New York City Mayor, Huh?

"How Do you see? Large democratic mayor of field shaping up in general. So far, it is kind of overwhelming for people to get their minds around such a long list. I said We were gonna go down through the list, and this isn't even gonna be Complete list. We've begun having the candidates on the show already, and I keep saying to the listeners this June primary is going to come up on people faster than you realize. But my goodness the field is so crowded. With Eric Adams in Scott Stringer and Maya Wiley and Shaun Donovan and Kathryn Garcia and Ray Maguire and Carlos Man, Chaka and Diane Diane. Morale is and Laurie sudden. And that's an incomplete list. And now we're here. Max Rose and Andrew Gang may both be getting in are their lanes in this race like we used to say in the presidential primary, the conservative rain laying the progressive lane or how can a voter who isn't a political science professor like you begin to sort this out for themselves? Right. I mean, in some ways, it's both overwhelming and underwhelming at the same time. I mean, sadly, so many voters can't really fully focus Brian on local elections, just Jack because we haven't gotten past January, 20th And especially for voters of color, Knowing what the president has has said the types of people he supported his members of his own party, essentially trying to actively create a coup within American democracy. It's a very unsettling political moment, and a lot of folks can't really focus. Fully on a local election until there is a peaceful transition of power, which quite honestly is not guaranteed at this moment. And so once we get past January 20th it's a 2 p.m.. Then I think that there's a sigh of relief when we can start looking at. Okay. Well, who are who are the millionaires? Who were, you know, sort of waking up in the morning, saying I should be a leader? That's one bucket. Who were the folks who were currently unemployed and need a job. So hey, I should run for mayor too. That's another bucket. Who were the progressive folks who have interesting ideas for New York in some sort of some sort of managerial experience, but no previous electoral experience. That's another bucket. Then you have sort of the you know the politicians who have been elected to office once or quite a few times, and they want to expand that sort of leadership style. In a city that might be looking for something totally different. And so we have minimum four buckets. Obviously, there's descriptive politics. Some people think it's far time that New York City has female leadership. Some people want to make sure that there's leadership of color, whether it's another black mayor, Post Dinkins or if we should have someone from the Latin next community, and so there's lots of different angles. I think right now because it's so crowded. It's hard to Even hear what people actually saying. But also that's on the candidates, because because of rank choice voting, many people are reticent to attack their opponents. They're reticent to say any big, bold ideas. It's kind of a milk toast election as a as of now, that's not garnering any attention. From the vast majority of New Yorkers. And we know that municipal elections in New York City have have abysmal, embarrassingly low turnout for someone who will not only be the leader of New York but political figure on a national even international scale. Can I just? Yeah, e You want to say something really quickly about Henry's point about 1993 moving forward with crime. I think we need to back up just four more years and think about the Dinkins years and what Mayor Dinkins was was successful and trying to re imagine the police department in a more community policing way, and we have to be honest about the amount of money we pay out as citizens. For bad behavior of the NYPD and how bad officers are continuously protected on considered, I would say, terrorized particular communities, and the fiscal implications of that bad behavior, you know, goes beyond just training. It is a fundamental re imagining that mayoral candidates must talk about because there's something going on that Justin The top brass leadership. But there's some sort of corrosion throughout particular departments in the city that needs to be rooted out in a real substantive way that we just have never seen before. Well,

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"maya wiley" Discussed on Max & Murphy on Politics

Max & Murphy on Politics

04:45 min | 4 months ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on Max & Murphy on Politics

"The gifts and talents of our children. Let's expand that. Let's also recognize that. We have to invest in a process that engages those in parents and students and administrators and teachers and community because what was so great about the process that we engage in as the school diversity. Advancement advisory group is that we had everybody at the table. In terms of stakeholders we have parents. We had students including including some who are in middle school. We had a teacher was a special education teacher. We had principles. We had academics and we had advocates everybody and we and we did not agree with one another. When we walked into that room at the beginning of the process. We worked hard together but our recommendations were was it that hard work continue outside of our group and so really what it required was a mayor. Who's willing to say. Hey public we now going engage with these recommendations. You don't have to agree with them all you don't have to accept them all but we're going to invest in the engagement but here's what you do have to do. We do to agree that we're gonna make change in our schools that benefit all our kids. We do after that and you have to come up with ways that meet the goals but we will have a process for figuring out how that happens well and what works in different communities because as we sit in our report. It's not a one size. Fits all so wildly as co chair of that task. Force is very different than my wiley as a mayoral candidates very much very much understanding matt. Do you take those recommendations and make those part of your platform or are you so as a mayoral candidate. For example are you. Behind those types of big sweeping recommendations for desegregating City schools or use or resetting. Here as you consider your candidacy so look my candidacy. I'm running my wiley from always going to be my way so so let me just say that you might have compromised in the task force than you would mean. You're saying i'm a mayoral candidate. Here's what i want. do look. Leadership requires compromise right. I mean it does and it requires bringing folks together. I think what. I am going to stick to to What is going to work to achieve the goals that we sat out as a path. I the only reason i'm hesitating isn't about what our recommendations were it's the covert hit and cove it has. It's both ripped apart. The education system for our kids right. We're we're going to have to confront realistically and really look hard. At the fact that we're going to have kids year behind from where they should be through no fault of their own And our job one is going to be to really make sure that we are recognizing how an innovating how we support our kids. Not just the catch up but to really excel and and achieve in a way that engages in innovation in our education system and figuring out the ways that that also matches are other goals including because integration is educational. Excellence goal I'm my only point is. Kobe has ripped you know. It's it's just it's just shredded so much of what our system was including the fact that it's switch to online.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on Max & Murphy on Politics

Max & Murphy on Politics

04:12 min | 4 months ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on Max & Murphy on Politics

"On the largest public housing development in north america and i laid the groundwork hired the staff and helped create the process and the infrastructure to get it to a development that the mayor announced in a stand up with on castro who was then hud secretary about a major public housing development and every single burr. And every single borough every single borough would would would get the same service and i laughed in two thousand sixteen feeling quite confident that with a public announcement with creating staffing and with putting the budget in place. Not what's it going to solve all the questions. They were still when you do something for the first time in government when you get government to work across multiple agencies to do something it hasn't done before it isn't simple. I'm not pretending it is. That's why i was so grateful for the opportunity to push it But that's the point when i left. It was the fact that there was not a senior leadership in place that kept the eyes on that prize. And that's that's what that's what it takes. It takes the vision. What can be done but it takes keeping the is on that vision keeping folks moving on it and one of the things that people don't realize is a big part of the job in city hall And it's and it's part of why. I have to come in humble and i mean this public services a privilege it is a privilege it is a hard service because doing the work is hard. But it's a privilege and what it requires. Is the humility. Know that your job in that big chair is to move. The barriers out of the way for the agency gets a barriers out of the way as well as hold them accountable but a lot of it is moving barriers and that that is something that we need more in city hall speaking of barriers and and the ability and moving things ahead that sort of percolate. But but maybe don't go anywhere you mentioned earlier. segregated schools and that was something that the mayor sort of. Pull you back into some some service for the city into two co lead. A school diversity task force. You did a lot of work with with the other members of the task. Force and other members of the public put out a couple. Different plans The second plan which had really the the big sweeping changes to the enrollment emissions and things like that The mayor basically sat on that for eight months before the pandemic hit and then the pandemic hit so. We haven't seen any any movement on that. I'm wondering you know we've sort of outlined the reasons why there hasn't been moving on that. The mayor has died but do. Do you think now that you're running for mayor that that those recommendations will be part of your platform. How are you thinking about desegregating. The city schools. Let me say first and foremost you know As someone who's experienced it as someone who knows Both personally and professionally. That's the way we create excellent education as recognize that our kids are excellent and that and that we learn better when we learn together that i am out who we're going to keep moving forward and let me add one thing. I'll let me add one thing One of the things. That was so wonderful about the school diversity advisory group that got so lost. You know In in in the eruption as a response to the recommendations eruption i understand. you know. Change is scary. It's hard and we care more about our kids than anything else in our lives. And i say that with new who also went to public schools in new york city That what we what. We what we needed is a city hall that recognized that central to our recommendations in addition to saying let's let's expand how we invest in recognizing.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on Max & Murphy on Politics

Max & Murphy on Politics

04:09 min | 4 months ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on Max & Murphy on Politics

"From city limits. it's well-deserved break and happy to be back with you. As the snow starts coming down and we'll see what kind of snowstorm this is and how well the city government response to it. Always big question for snowstorm in while and we will see how it goes year but hopefully you are hunkered down on your way to it. So i'm going to be joined by maya wiley. She's a civil rights attorney. She's a former counsel to mayor. Bill de blasio. She's former chair of the civilian. Complaint review board police oversight body choose recently a scholar at the new school and also an msnbc legal analyst among other things. Mayer you there. I'm here ben. How're you. I'm doing okay. How are you good. Thanks good good good too good to have you join us here. jared sorry is missing you but but i'm happy you're here and and we'll talk more another time when jarrett's also with us so start off of forest. Just with the gist of whitey. Want this job. Why do you want to be mayor of new york city. You haven't run for elected office before but you've been At some of the big tables where things are happening. In city hall and elsewhere nationally locally. But why do you want to be mayor of new york city. Thanks ben thanks for having me. Thanks for that question. Because i know that this city can be one where we can all live with. Dignity and dignity means many things that means development. Without displacement it means an education system that sees all our children as excellent. It means you know up up public back in public safety. You know as we know we have all these issues and traumas that we're facing because of covid but the question isn't whether we'll recover from co that We must and we will but the question is how we recovered from covid because it just blew the curtain back on so many things that have been broken and problematic in the city for far too long. And i am running as you say as a nontraditional candidate because what i've seen both in thirty years is a civil rights attorney and racial justice advocate And my purchases twenty five years of doing litigation and policy work but also going inside city government because i believe deeply and the possibility of city being more transformative. Our problems is that it takes a leadership that is not going to be transactional. It takes a leadership that is gonna partner. It takes a leadership. That's going to listen and learn and then lead together with people of the city and that's something i've always done and that's something i cared deeply about and frankly i just i'm not going anywhere and i want my kids to not have to go anywhere and that or any of their friends or any of the folks in my community and so that's why i'm running you you you sit. And you've mentioned this Freeze a times about you. Know making sure. It's a city where everyone can live with dignity. Say a little bit more about that. Because i wanted to ask you about exactly sort of what that means and i know you just said it means different things for different people but You know if you're talking to voters and you say that in the end they said you will. What does that mean for me and my family. What what's your response to that. Well i have to start personally because for me. It's also personal. Like i grew up in a black segr- i well. I spent my early years. I didn't spend my entire childhood but in a black segregated neighborhood my formative years and the neighborhood. I still count as mine and it. I went to an overcrowded underfunded segregated public school I watched my best friend charlene whose mom was a cashier at our neighborhood. Grocery store disappear one day because the rent was increased and her mother who could always be found back grocery store who works such long hours..

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Epstein's alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell set to be arraigned next week

AM Joy

09:39 min | 10 months ago

Epstein's alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell set to be arraigned next week

"Maxwell. epsteins closest associates. And helped him exploit girls. who were as young as fourteen years old? Mental played a critical role in helping Epstein to identify the friend and groom minor victims for abuse. In some cases, Maxwell participated in the abuse herself. Okay if you thought the Jeffrey Epstein case was over after his apparent suicide in his jail cell last year. Thank again you'll remember that Epstein was the disgraced financier and convicted sex offender who socializes powerful men like Prince Andrew Bill Clinton and Donald Trump on Thursday, his longtime associate d'alene Maxwell, was arrested and charged for allegedly helping Epstein recruit groom, and sexually abused girls as young as fourteen years old. She has denied any wrongdoing. Here's more of what the US attorney from the southern. District of New York had to say about it. Max will and Epstein had a method. Typically. They would befriend these young girls by asking them questions. About their lives, pretending to be taking an interest in them. They would take them to the movies. And treat them to shopping trips. Maxwell would encourage these young girls to accept offers from Epstein to pay for their travel and their education. Making these young victims feel indebted to Jeffrey Epstein. Developing a rapport with Victims Maxwell then try to normalize sexual abuse with a minor victim. Joining me now. Our our sisters in Law Maya Wiley Professor at the new school and NBC legal analysts Barbara Maclead, former US attorney and MSNBC contributor and Joyce vans, also a former US attorney, and also MSNBC contributor so ladies first I love the all female panel, but I will say starting out I used to be a field producer for America's most wanted, and my beat was covering missing and exploited children. On, this and ask you if you could. How important is the role of the person WHO's The enabler? The person who is recruiting these young girls and my experience, that person was integral to abuse cases when I was a journalist covering these types of cases so. What what say you on that? Yeah. You're absolutely right, tiffany. This is this person and the person who plays the role that. Just Lane Maxwell accused of playing is a Predator is just as culpable as. Jeffrey Epstein or anyone else who sexually assaults anybody? The reason it's so critical to have a person play the role maxwell is accused of is because it's manipulation gain. We have three hundred thousand young people in this country estimated to be sex trafficked domestically, and what that means is finding young kids met male and female. We shouldn't pretend that it's just girls here. In this country who are vulnerable, who need help who need the support of a system hasn't provided it. These are young women who were disadvantaged in many different ways, and what the role that Maxwell played was to play on their need. Get them to trust and being a woman who does that is particularly important, because if you're a vulnerable young woman, you're more likely to let your guard down and believe that the person who is offering you help means it so her role. Is Pivotal in enabling essentially the victimization of a lot of young women and girls, and it happens all over the country. One of the things that so important about this arrest is that predators who are powerful too often go unpunished. So something I found interesting reporting coming out of the Tampa. Bay Times highlighted that this case is actually being handled by the Office of Public Corruption Unit so I. WanNa ask you, Barbara. What does that say about the scope of this? Nation is that. Link to anyone in the current administration. Is it possible that Labor Secretary Alexander Costa's entangled in this break it down for those of us who don't necessarily know how the inner workings of the Southern District. It's a really interesting detail. Tiffany of the press release that was put out by this other district of New, York. This is also true when the case was originally just against Jeffrey Epstein that the public corruption unit is involved, that's a unit that has specialized training and expertise to deal with public officials who get charged there a lot of nuanced issues that arise when public officials are involved and so it says to me that this case. Case at least touches in some way public officials. Now as you said we know that Alex Kosta had some involvement with this. We don't know that he is a subject or a target of the investigation, but his involvement in negotiating sweetheart plea deal a number of years ago. With Jeffrey Epstein could be a reason. We also know that Prince. Andrew has been implicated as recently as last month Jeffrey Berman. The former US attorney recently ousted. Ousted was demanding an opportunity to talk with him and Prince Andrew was a dodging that request to be interviewed. It may be that he is only a witness and not a subject or a target, but this no doubt touches some people who have positions of power, and that could explain why the involvement of public corruption unit or could be others as yet unknown I think four names I be looking at immediately or not public. Public officials, but enablers as Maya, was talking about. If you look at the plea non-prosecution agreement that was negotiated with the Southern District of Florida back in two thousand eight. You'll see the names of four individuals that Jeffrey Epstein specifically wanted to protect. Those are very likely to be people who were enablers recruiters I'd want to get to the bottom of their role. and I think that this case is not done being charged yet. I want to turn the Joyce. Barbara brought up Berman and his abrupt firing. Do you see any connection here with what the dismissal of Berman and the FCC case? So, Tiffany I think it's very hard to know. We know that. The Attorney General Poll Day late Friday night effort to usher Berman out the door, unceremoniously in the southern district of New York and that didn't work became public when Berman refused to go along and instead of having the Attorney General's political appointee in place. We ended up with a woman who was. was already in the office, a career employee, a career prosecutor who will hopefully be playing things straight up so it's difficult to make any sort of direct political line there what we do know is that this is the classic type of an indictment that looks like prosecutors aren't done. It looks like they're headed in further direction, and that's something that there could perhaps. Perhaps be powerful. People who are interested in shutting off when I say it's a classic indictment. What I mean is this indictment comes in six counts, and there's a I can't. That's a conspiracy count and the maximum penalty. There is five years, but there are also substantive counts and conspiracy counts of enticement and transportation of minors, and those counts actually range from ten. Ten years to lifetime sentences, and so as MS Maxwell, is forced to confront the potential charges. She's looking out. Does she want to go to prison for the rest of her life, or is she willing to cooperate and become a witness and look at lesser charges? Perhaps five year sentence that I think will give some powerful people some reason to sleep poorly. All right. Am I GONNA? Go back to you. What do you think that gain maxwell will do you anticipate that she? Said they say. It's hard to know. We're looking at a case as both Barbara Jo of a choice have said where there are powerful people connected to Maxwell and Epstein. There's the mysterious death of Jeff Jeffrey Epstein that has still raised questions in people's mind. And I think the question becomes. Where do you feel more vulnerable? Do you feel more vulnerable from law enforcement, or do you feel more vulnerable other ways we don't really know. We're not going to know, but the one thing we do know and I think is important to remember is this is an over for the victims? This is only the beginning of what will be a very deeply difficult. Possibly re traumatizing process that they have really bravely stood up and faced down despite the fact that I don't think there's any illusion for them. They will have to protect themselves from further victimization in the way, in which the defense will be mounted for Maxwell. So if there's any decency at all left in this woman, she will certainly spare them.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

02:35 min | 10 months ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

"To analyze police departments where there had been serious cases and make recommendations around systemic change that was necessary, and of course now we do have some discussion about what federal legislative proposals could be. Grants are powerful tools to write the federal government. That Department of Justice gives out grants to law enforcement New York City has a huge anti-terrorism grant department of Justice. That's a lot of influence, but you also need state laws to. To Change and state legislatures and governors have a role to play an absolutely at the local level since it's local government that directly controls their police departments. There has to be leadership, and will for a vision of this kind of police department, or else the calls to not have police are gonNA. Continue from communities of color. There's a growing chant around defunding the police and I think there are a lot of people who. If, that scares them, they should take that. As an incredible vote of lack of confidence in reform, and they should use it as a challenge to show that reforms possible. I, understand the impetus for that. I don't think it's a wise direction for us to travel, but I'm sure that when you and I look at the Floyd video out of Minneapolis, we both have the same visceral reaction. It's sickening. It's disgusting. It's absolutely reprehensible. It's hard to process I. Mean I grew up in law enforcement at least professionally. And the agents and officers I know and that I've spoken with. Are Disgusted by what they see, but it keeps happening, and it becomes very difficult to explain to people even though I believe, it's true that the overwhelming majority of cops are good and would never condone that type of behavior, and it's particularly difficult to explain the people when there are other officers around Mr Floyd, one other with a neon him to standing by. Mr Floyd is obviously in distress and obviously needed help. And nobody helped him. Nobody helped him and I think your point is, we are creatures who were driven by experience and there are. I think statistic is seventy four percent at least a two thousand nineteen poll, seventy four percent of Americans who say police do a good job and don't lie. Well if you are in the other twenty six percent is probably because you've experienced it..

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

04:14 min | 10 months ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

"And frisk practices by police universal. Pre kindergarten was just too exciting. To say no. and. He was offering me a job that was going to me to use all the parts of myself. Because, he wanted me to be his council and what he said to me, which was so was such an honor to to have him reflect this back to me, said I don't want you to be a general counsel I want you to be the person who helps keep the administration on mission, so it was an incredible opportunity to work with an amazing group of people at trying to solve some really big problems. One of the guests on my podcast. In season two was Tony Williams. The former mayor of Washington DC my friend and classmate from graduate school. He's been a dear friend for. Almost thirty five years now, but what you learned from listening to Tony and others Maya who've been in. Big City government is how complicated city is schools and transportation and sewers and jails and housing and policing, which is something. I WanNa talk to you about, but they're remarkably complex organisms. They are remarkably complex organisms and you. You may know it intellectually before you go into government. And then you quickly realize you don't really know it. Until you're in it. A New York perhaps more complex than any other city in the worry, hundred and fifty thousand employees of the New York City government I mean the size of most cities is just the government, not to mention the eight point six million people. Another indication of its complexity. The New York City Police Department is about three times larger than the FBI. In terms of law, enforcement officers, FBI. Thirteen, thousand or so men and women who are special agents at the FBI. who carry a badge? The New York City Police. Department has about thirty six thousand men and women as uniformed officers. That's an extraordinary force. It's massive, and it's not even the full headcount of the department when you add the close to twenty thousand people who were not wearing uniforms who work for the police department. It's a huge operation. In fact, after serving as mayor de Blasios counsel and Chief Legal Adviser You, actually became the chairwoman of the Civilian Complaint Review Board, which is New York. City's Independent Oversight Agency for the Police Department. You know a lot about big city policing. I was going to ask you to do a couple of things for us to talk about the New York City Police. Department Specifically and then to talk about policing generally. When I was leaving the office, the mayor asked me if I would share the civilian Complaint Review Board to which mealy said yes, but the civilian complaint review. Board receives complaints from anyone who has a complaint of officer misconduct, not corruption that's handled by internal affairs, but any misconduct that could include excessive for use of behavior, sexual harassment I only was responsible for the agency in its budget and staff, but as a board. Board, we sat on the investigations of those complaints meaning after the investigators in the office, finishing besting, they brought all the evidence to us, and we reviewed it, and made a decision about whether we could substantiate that there had been a violation and send it over back to the police. Department with recommendations for Discipline, we huge responsibility both to try to make sure residents brought cases if they thought there was abuse, but also. A complicated relationship to the police, department, because we were independent oversight, but we didn't have the power to demand discipline. We could only recommend it..

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

03:59 min | 10 months ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg

"Well when we were living, there was a low income black neighborhood. And that is the story of many cities where the downtown areas were heavily black and low income until investments came without creating affordable housing and black folks got pushed out. So it's a story. We still see today, but I lived at first hand because my parents both in terms of their politics, and my my father is an activist, and an organizer chose to live in a community amongst people that my father would be organizing, so despite the fact that my parents were educated graduate level, and therefore we had the privilege that came both from. A high level of education, and all that that brings informs of privileges and society, and we were certainly privileged in our neighborhood I was clear I had a lot more than my classmates, but my parents politics also meant they put me in the neighborhood public schools, so I was in a segregated all black public elementary school until fourth grade until my father died, and that's when my mother transferred me to a private, predominantly white school, and I saw both sides of the world at a very young age. You sit an interview onset. Though you were in the top of your class in your segregated school, you were still two years behind grade level. Yeah, AH! It's a painful memory not for myself. It's a painful memory. Because I was very aware when I was in elementary school that I had more than most of my classmates I was very aware that I. Started School Reading Ready. I would not have used those words as a child, but I knew the alphabet. My mother used to read me from Bank Street Schools Book Bank Street. School had these early reader books and. My mother would read to my brother and I and we had all those advantages that everyone says. You need to be successful in school and I was successful in school, but my mother also recognize something could not be working, and eventually had tested, and that was because of the structure of the public school system. It wasn't. We personalize it right, and we say somehow the fault of families, or it's you know that the parents don't care enough about education or don't focus on it enough, but the truth is. I was at the top of my class with everything. Any parent was supposed to do. And with every privilege my family had and I was still two years behind, and that's about the structure of education. It's about the way in which we do not sufficiently invest in our public schools. It is absolutely about the way in which if you're in a high poverty school, I don't care what your race is. I don't care what color is. If the school is high poverty, it's overcrowded. It's under-resourced, but I lived at as a personal experience, and then transferring to private school, and seeing the vast difference I mean teeny tiny little classes. They were so cute to compared to my big overcrowded. Classroom and just the real struggle for kids had every single day that even a privileged kid like me didn't have and yet. We all were behind because they're just simply was. Not, enough resources support. There were teacher strikes. Even the playgrounds I got a lot of scars that MSNBC MAKEUP has to cover up on my face because playgrounds were concrete, and we had very little play equipment now is constantly being sent to the clinic to get some stitches, and that was very much my reality until until fourth grade. Your the way you had put it my you were not from a broken family. In fact, your family was very much intact and.

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Parnas attorney asks William Barr to recuse himself from investigation

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

07:39 min | 1 year ago

Parnas attorney asks William Barr to recuse himself from investigation

"The attorney general in on whatever was going on there in the Ukraine I have never spoken to attorney general bar. You're about this investigation ever. I have been circumspect. Careful exceedingly careful. Not only that Parnasse knows that. I told a several times that I would make sure I would never go to the attorney general with it so I wouldn't compromise it. That's really on Fox News tonight making his own case while his has indicted one time. Buddy is doing the same Lev Parnassus attorney today requested that. Attorney General William Bar recused himself take himself out of the federal campaign finance case against Parnis. He's also calling for the appointment of a special prosecutor. Claiming prosecutors have refused to meet with him and receive receive information on the president. Giuliani and the other significant players here is a reminder of what parnes told Rachel Matto about the role all that Bill Barr played. Do you know if Mr Giuliani was ever in contact with Mr Bar specifically about the fact that he was trying to get Ukraine to announce these investigation into Joe Biden. Absolutely Mr Bar knew about that. Mr Bar known everything. The difference between white trump so powerful now. He wasn't as powerful in sixteen seventeen. He became the powerful when he got William Bar. That gets your attention as they say and with us for more tonight Maya wildly former assistant. US Attorney for the Southern District of New York now with the new school here in New York. And Rick Wilson Longtime Republican strategists co-founder of the Lincoln Project A SUPERPAC created created by conservatives with the aim of defeating trump and trump ISM. His new book goes a long way toward that very ideal running against the devil. A plot to save America got from trump and Democrats from themselves. We welcome you both tonight. Maya Wiley in normal times would love to have a lock accenture. Deal with the Fed's New York. Would there be an investigation. Launched as in. Do you hear what this guy is saying about people at the highest levels of of our government. That's a hard question to answer quite honestly Brian. And here's what I mean by that. I don't think there's any question that William Bar has earned earned himself and impeachment inquiry. So that's clear and that starts from his misrepresenting the muller pro report before. It's it's released knowing that Robert Mueller have some issues with the way he's handling it that goes to the fact that he himself has personally flown around the globe helping helping to kind of try to stir up some of the dirt that Donald Trump wants all kinds of reasons that we could list about. Why William Barr himself deserves some scrutiny? In some oversight that's very different from saying in in different world where Donald Trump was not president accident love. parnassus would be would have some kind of cooperation agreement. Or where William Sorry was not attorney general and that's because we just don't know enough about all all the evidence that the US Attorney's office has if your in the US Attorney's office and someone just doesn't have anything to offer you if they cooperate great. Meaning you don't believe they're telling the truth or you have so much evidence that you don't believe they can add to the evidence that you have or both you would have a legitimate reason not to enter into a cooperation agreement with someone and left Parnasse. We should remember eleventh. PARNIS is has some of his assertions and the Rachel maddow interview have documents. Those are documents the. US Attorney's office had and enabled him to share their other allegations allegations that he makes that. He says he believes but he doesn't necessarily offer any directed specific knowledge to suggest just that he could offer anything more substantive so. I think we have to separate out whether there's huge issues of public trust with William Bar and there's it's a question about whether I think the. US Attorney for the Southern District. Berman should cues with regard to Rudy Giuliani because he is the one who recommended Rudy Giuliani for US attorney spot with Donald Trump and appearance of conflict or appearance of impropriety. It is enough to recuse because we have to have the public believing in the institutions. But I don't want to go so far as to say that just by definition because left Parnassus is saying. He should have a cooperation agreement. He should have a cooperation agreement. Rick Wilson at a more basic societal level. When you think about it ah in the last seven to ten days we have come to know a landscaper from Connecticut? Who pardoned the double negative left? Parnis said he has never never seen him not drunk and now the European guy in the Maga- hat with a Belgian ip address. How is it that we we come to meet these characters? Surrounding in the orbit of the President of the United States there are some mystical gravitational force surrounding Donald Trump that attracts the worst griff tres scales scumbags roadside hobos incipient serial killers weirdos. These guys are attracted to him. Because they're like the d the D and E and F level operatives in this world and for whatever reason they feel empowered and it's pretty easy you show up at the trump hotel if you can afford the twenty two dollar cocktails. You're in the club. And so that's why we see guys like hide showing up and that's why you see all these all these other sort of oddball characters always surrounding trump and and and it's also because you know most of the people that that are in this rudy PARNIS orbit in particular. You know they come out of this eastern European whatever version of of of Hustle. Oh they're running is always inflected with whatever the sort of post-soviet corruption vibe and it seems to be very much definitional additional trump's orbit rick starting with you I want you and my answer the same question and I hate that. It's an a negative vein about the impeachment in trial. What are you girding for or resigned to girding for Mitch McConnell to choke this thing out as quickly as he can? There's no other option for McConnell right now if the dam breaks on any vote and the reason he didn't go for an immediate dismissal. Vote obviously as everyone else's covered was that he knows was if he loses one. It shakes the idea that he can control this process completely. So he's going to be very careful. He's going to move as quickly as he possibly can. He's going to try to make this as Dulles he can. Which I think is why as as clean with chain you earlier? He thought he thought he's GonNa win. By moving into the night. I think there's enormous public interest in this but on the optimistic side there will always be more information coming and these senators are not blind to the fact that trump lies to them all the time and that every time. They think they've gotten to the bottom of something with trump. There's worse things below it so I think you're going to see some skepticism building especially as the outside outside coverage continues to roll on in terms of both the story and the other revelations about Ukraine situation I can offer you my upwards of thirty seconds before I have to take our first break. I agree with

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"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

Mueller, She Wrote

10:55 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

"Still be an investigation but he would not have the power to intervene in in any way. I think the issue here is not whether or not we have sufficient evidence to say he should be criminally investigated. It's that as a member as a cabinet member as someone who has the constitutional obligation uphold the constitution of the United States in the laws of the land that his literally Suspending started of course with him spending the Mahler report and and and spinning it. In a way that that in and of itself may not have been peachable. But certainly as we heard from From Robert Muller That he that he did have concerns about how Bill Bar was summarizing his findings we know that I won't go through that whole list. But if you fast forward you know the his behavior in undermining the reputation of the FBI in in in personally going after what have been debunked conspiracy earthy series using the power of the office. Potentially we don't know but there was. There was there was his involvement in what his involvement involvement was in withholding the whistle blower complaint from Congress which was an extraordinary decision on the part of the Justice Department and from. I'm from some of the news reporting. There seemed to be indication that he had involvement in that decision. How much I don't know whether it was inappropriate? I don't know but that is pretty dramatic matic and in and of itself and then he literally it appears to be going on a donald trump defense Investigation spree including when we have an independent inspector general doing the job of determining whether there had been any political bias in the FBI launching launching the Russia probe in the first place and whether or not it was quote unquote spying on the trump campaign. I mean we were all shocked. When in addition to having an I she an inspector general examining that he goes and creates another investigation process by appointing? Mr Mr Durham from the US attorney from from Connecticut to investigate and most recently he just. I wrote that piece before. Bill Bar came out shallot the findings of of a of a lengthy investigation by the Inspector General and investigation in which he interviewed a hundred Trittin. Seventy witnesses reviewed. I think over a million documents Is is has a reputation of being extremely above board board and says he filed no evidence of any political bias in in the inception of the FBI's investigation into Russia. Russia interference which we know has been found to be the case both by the intelligence community but also by the Robert Muller report it's astounding okay and it makes very clear that he is using his powers of office in a way that is personally benefiting Donald Trump that is not the job up of an attorney general that is not his job and it it has been significant enough that I think it merits what is very rare are in our history which is a congressional inquiry into whether he himself has earned impeachment if if if in that process there's also evidence and that some of that conduct was criminal not only is that grounds for impeachment they can refer that to the FBI investigation. So I am not saying that that he is committed a crime but remember impeachment is not a is not triggered only by crime it is triggered by abuse of the office abuse of the oath abusive the role that is significant enough to merit removal. Yeah one hundred percent and and then even recently more recently that I think he drew that arbitrary line. There was a a foia request For Communications about about Ukraine and that whole scheme and Department of Justice in the middle of the impeachment markup hearings released I think one hundred forty seven pages of of communications nations all redacted and not just seems a defiance of court orders these are you know I'm assuming unclassified we don't know what's behind those there's reductions I mean we can guess but You know at knowing that for instance Mike Pence's call timber eighteenth call was Alinsky is not a a classified or you know for national security reasons but For probably hiding a crime or embarrassing political information so I mean it it it it just keeps happening and just goes beyond anything. We've ever seen an end. The they've given him till January eighth now. I think to release these documents and do a broader Release Of of other communications between POMPEO and Giuliani at least in the State Department. But it's just it just seems like a like just a blatant defiance of a court order which is is sort of something that the trump administration so far has been able to avoid doing But I think we're getting down to the end here when these court orders are going to oops force the release of some of these things and it just seems like we're going to continue to get stonewalling from from the Justice Department and the White House. Yeah and I I think this goes exactly to the second article of impeachment right which is a key obstruction of congress. And it's it is it is yes sir it's not the only instance Because of course you know we we had we have evidence of obstruction of of justice from the trump trump White House specifically from Donald Trump themselves in the muller report and in several of those instances Robert Mueller finding substantial santeuil evidence of obstruction of justice. And this is part and parcel of that same pattern. Except that you know remember for Don mcgann drew the Line Don mcgann actually comes out in the mall report as the White House counsel not willing to violate the law or take direction he believes is inappropriate from the president of the United States even though he was appointed by him him and that is exactly what we expect from public servants. It does not appear to be what we're getting from go bar and or or frankly from other members of that White House cabinet or senior advisors. I'm still shocked that John Bolton has refused to do the right thing here yet I a not shocked in that I don't understand what is self interests are not doing the right thing. But that's why doing the right thing about the moral character of the person. You put yourself self-interest behind the interests of the country that you have sworn to serve John. Bolton took an oath John Bolton I believe is someone who does care about the national security of the country and certainly the the information we have coming out of. The impeachment process suggests that there is nothing thing that prevents him from testifying before Congress or or or being deposed. And it's just probably the most disheartening thing to me is that we ha- we see we see evidence of people who've been appointed by the Donald trump trying to do the right thing and stopping short when it comes comes to congressional oversight power that goes directly to the separation of powers and the branches of our government and that is a central central concepts to our democracy. It is the it is exactly how the founding fathers kept us from creating a monarchy except we now have a conspiracy. I think is the only way to think about it. A conspiracy for making the presidency of the United States so powerful that Congress becomes simply a bully pulpit for having shouting matches rather than an oversight authority. That's based stop fact and that can get access to information that it needs to do the work of the American people and I think that's shocking. Yeah it definitely is and you know you. You'd mentioned Muller was alluded to in the articles of impeachment each one at least Implied into the totality of the evidence and pat and a pattern of behavior appeared to develop pattern review. And I. I suspect we'll see an explanation and more detailed explanation of that Implied totality of the evidence in the report. That's due out today. which is Sunday by by midnight from From the house stems so I think will. They'll they'll go into a little more detail but the you know. I think the the overarching theme is the totality Taliban of evidence and the pattern of behavior. At least as far as the impeachment goes absolutely agree with you all right. Well thank you so much for spending some time with today. NBC News and MSNBC Legal Analyst. Maya Wiley thank you so much. Thank you the pleasure. Alright everybody. That's our show. Thank you so much for being with us. Yes this weekend Pre impeachment weekend provided they vote on articles which I am assuming they will this week although we've had a couple of surprises so you never know So we're just going to I think motto said Friday night. She's like humility. We don't know what's happening. which is a hundred percent right? I'm just GonNa wait to see what what happens in and tell you about it although I do like putting on things But with the understanding that it's beans yeah to correct myself from earlier in terms of the impeachment rallies. I found this. There's rows you can sign up for Tuesday like you said Tuesday December seventeen and you can sign up at impeach dot org impeach dot work. Yes cool cool. Thoughts never me this moment in time. and you know thanks for listening in appreciate it and again if you have any corrections I forgot to tell you After corrections just go to mojo dot com contacts let let corrections and make us a compliment sandwich and we will read it out on the air unless you asked us not to so and we will be Doing a separate bonus episodes for For for all the funds non-political corrections that that we have for for our patriots and the nonpolitical corrections that we did get your compliments. And you're very sweet so thank thank you yes thank you very happy All right that's it everyone. Please take care of yourself take care of each other. I've been AG. I've been Jordan Cobra. Amanda and this is Muller. She.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

Mueller, She Wrote

03:22 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

"No it is going to be a tiny Dick. Can't it's GONNA be okay. Just calm down okay. I I wasn't here last week and you know you know what I'm saying. Yep Giuliani Yup. All right I'm going to do since partners is apparently a wire. Now just GONNA be superseding parties. All right I'll do superseding. Are you allowed to Also do do you deal Parnis hold on which one have you did. which oh I did superseding Parnis and I did superseding Freeman and yeah I mean if you WanNa take up a spot on your team? Yeah to do a fruman plea agreement or parts partners APARNA plea agreement. Yeah they'll give him one. I know I don't know either. That's why I just put the superseding partners but Manam link thank. But I'm going to see so upset with myself on both or both please yeah also plea plea deal prepareness harness superseding Preceding and plea. Yeah Okay Bases Mama Ner ner I'll early back to your dean during now vans isn't going to be able to indictments until he gets his stuff in March or June marched. Sometimes we march June. So I'M GONNA say point trump inaugural alright because tissues looking into that. Who's James and then I will to Tom? Barrack Neil sorry trump inaugural not trump work. Yeah yes totally. And then you're doing barrick yes and I'm GONNA DO Brady. I mean bring back Brady seat for you to go to more to more to you Okay I will do a I would have bring Russia. Back into the mix the Rancho Russian. Oh Nice I don't think any Russians are going to get indicted by bill bar until after the semester is over but that'd be cool yeah Oh who's Zuma last one ski showed I WANNA pay my last one. Oh popadopoulos already. He went to jail. That guy just wanted to go again and now. He's running for office still isn't he. Yes is your Mike Levin seat I don't know Orange County seat I think. Yeah Yeah. Gross Yuck let's go with Jaz Lane. Oh Yup where she been. You know hiding out God who knows that is the biggest question Rutan. It just seems like we're they all hang out all right. Let's do I'll do you. I guess you know what I WanNa do the fucking NRA nice do it. That's how we play fantasy me. We'll be right back with the interview with Maya Wiley. CYSTIC stick around. Hey everybody it's a G. In the segment of molar she read is brought to you by skill share. Every time I go on.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

Mueller, She Wrote

01:55 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

"Right. So as as I said the the prosecutors have asked the court to remand love Parnasse for lying about his one million dollar payment in the southern district of New York that he received from Russia with love Which incidentally is our music So that's happening Russia's funding the Ukraine shakedown makes sense. I mean that's it seems like all Russian idea. All in Dr Hill testified that these this is all Russian. These are Russian talking points that are being spread by Republicans Also federal prosecutors skiers are looking into partisan freeman and they're now focusing more on NAFTA as we know we've reported on this last couple of times they've been Looking at some of the like the CEO and then this other guy. They questioned who they wanted to replace the CEO NAFTOGAZ Ukrainian oil and Gas Company which this indicates that the federal prosecutors federal prosecutors have said. This indicates kids they could be looking into bribery charges. in the efforts by Giuliani partisan firm into replaced their CEO at the friendly executive that can help their business prospects. The law called the Foreign Corrupt Practices Does Act is written for fucking Giuliani was written for and it. Basically it prohibits a US company or individual rule from giving anything of value to a foreign official in order to obtain or retain business. and that's exactly what Rudy was doing it. As part of his firm and himself so he's doubly in trouble The sequence of events surrounding Nafta gas appears to meet many of the elements necessary for a foreign bribery charge according to former federal prosecutors quote. At anytime you're excuse me anytime you have some international the business angle Thoughts understandably turned to the foreign corrupt practices. Act Says Harry Sandik a former prosecutor in Manhattan US Attorney's office so that's So we kind of knew that they were investigating Nafta gas but now prosecutors are coming out and saying this could mean. They're looking into bribery charges. It meets all the checks all the boxes for for for for bribery under foreign corrupt practices. ACT SO keep that in mind and are you ready to play the fantasy indictment league..

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"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

Mueller, She Wrote

11:30 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

"Play. That's friends without the our best fiends. All right welcome back hot notes. Yeah we haven't had an NRA update in a while Jordan from you and because we had two of your things today Nuno's and the NRA yes so Is say you go with the NRA. Al Cover News okay that sounds good. Newark Attorney General. letitia James Will. She's the best in the world She she yeah she's making a pretty aggressive stride in her investigation into the NRA and their masquerade is a law abiding interest group The office issued a wide ranging subpoena subpoena. This is out of reporting the New York Times in that subpoenas requesting a bunch of different things are related to questions of campaign. Finance payments and end payments made to board members also tax compliance issues. There's really a lot of stuff so I'll go into each of them a little bit in the second. One of the specific things are looking into is is the NRA's transfers of money between other NRA controlled organizations which is interesting so like the NRA Foundation for example and our foundation had had thirty six million dollars diverted by the NRA for reasons that could only be presumed to be sketch so just moving money around between their themselves selves essentially It's also known that the NRA foundation has transferred two hundred million dollars to the NRA between two thousand and ten and two thousand seventeen so the yeah. The question here is obviously because donations to the foundation are only the ones that can be tax. Deductible is the NRA donating money to to itself from its own foundation and trying to claim it is being tax deductible that way and the answer is probably yes. That's going to be my guess yeah I don't think James will be looking into it real hard. If she didn't have a feeling that there was some sort of malfeasance yeah tax fraud going exactly and I didn't. I didn't know that only donations to the foundation were tax deductible. So it's very it's interesting. Just they're just trying to shave off money like every step for the process. I think because it's a five four political organization. Political donations are not tax deductible. And so that's why they have. That must be why they set up the foundation. Yeah so the people in entities could make and write off these donations and then just handed over sue themselves that is really nuts. the Attorney General of DC or the foundation itself is chartered because NRA's chartered in New York. That's why Letitia James has it and then in DC. They've got Dan our foundation so now they're just stupid. Yes charter everybody in Texas or something right. Yeah yes said the last time it came back and blue states. I don't know because trump is a New York just getting Florida man. Donald Trump is fucking Democrat honestly throughout a lot of his life for whatever you want to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue that was his only successful successful investment than the NRA But now I'm just kidding. I don't think that they have ties at all that well they do have ties for sure but not not not that intense that was just suggest But point is attorney general. DC is also not going to be looking into the NRA foundation so hopefully we can be looking out for headlines from that office to although there attorney general in DC. Is that Jesse. You know it's not just the No federal turn general in DC right the District of Columbia Lombi Attorney John. Yeah Yeah and and I could totally with his name. super-quick I'm just gonNA keep going So this is also looking for documents documents related to the internal communications about NRA's SEC filings. And on top of that communications about or between lean-to political consulting firms one is called starboard strategic and the other is on message. And so. What's what's the complaint surrounding these companies? He's basically It was filed by giffords. which is a gun control group by the way So they alleged that the NRA paid millions of dollars to the star bird basically as a way to give money to Republican candidates as advised by the other group on message and when they did this they were circumventing the laws that restrict town much groups like the NRA can donate to political campaigns. Yeah so basically just funneling money through a different organization essentially Gifford's good good. Carl Racine is his name. Yes thank you yes it is. Yeah it's Cartridge Jesse was the federal After US attorney US Attorney General Attorney General. Cool thank thank you Gifford's sued the F. E. C. for failing to act on that as well so there's two lawsuits just related to those two companies and their her interactions with the NRA Because they're making the claim that those two companies were functionally indistinguishable essentially again another scenario. Were they just have another company that exists for the sole purpose of having a funnel of money. That can just go on unaccounted for as it should be and did they bring up the advertising. I was in groups that you have reported on their house stuff. Yeah yeah that is also another part of it too. They have bad as well. 'cause theirs and that one is interesting because Ackerman McQueen I think is called. They're also pushing back on the NRA saying that Or will there there's the NRA assuming them saying that they over build them and then Ackerman McQueen is like throw US under the bus. We did do this. Shit you know so it's like a really messy lawsuit that has a a lot of different branches and we haven't reported on that one specifically in like months. Yeah so maybe I can look into that and see if there's any updates on that case But yeah they did mention that to. This is just like large wide sweeping subpoena. The subpoena also asked for documents related to NRA's filings the IRS and. That's a part of the continued probe into the NRA's as tax tax exempt status And if they really deserve that or not ultimately makes me wonder if tissues James going to take advantage of that New New York law that forces the tax return state tax returns to be handed over because she could find in any of the this NRA documentation there was trump super pacs involved and then trump personally or trump or temp organization or anything involved in the trump family and that would give her cause to go under this new New New York State Law to get the state tax returns from the New York state taxman And she could Turn those over to Congress under this new law that would be bad ass. That'd be a fan of that. I like those beans because Ritchie. Neil hasn't asked for them in the House Ways and Means Committee. I don't know if he has to if it's a push poll if she can just give them or if he has to ask for them or if the Intel or of the Financial Services Committee Eighty or some other committee can get him or if it has to be ways and means There were three committees. I think listed in that law joint Like Senate House financial the joint finance oversight or something like that I'd have to look at what the an I know. One of them is house ways and means after the third one is. I think it's a Senate committee Senate Financial Committee so there was like a A dual a joint. How a joint finance a Senate finance and then the house finance but re routinely hasn't asked for them and these are the committees and he said it was determined have like basically carte blanche authority to ask for those documents? Right like one of the reasons under the new tax law. Yeah but in the regular old the law. It's the House Ways and Means Committee that has carte blanche to Actually I think it's just congress but it became the house ways and Means Committee because that's where taxes are research that but I think that's I think that's the case Nice. Yes yeah well. There's so much in Intertwine Nation A.. Worked or her Telugu between between those committees between those cases that are in the courts between you know what now one attorney general Charles soon to be two is going to be looking into just in the intersections that all roads kind of are leading to the NRA to a degree in some way. This so they're going to be investigated for a very long time. I'm thinking I'm also interested. In how the trump inaugural which tips james is also investigating thing might tie into that Yeah because if it was born out of the other right yeah if like one of the main issues is funneling money into places where you're not supposed to have unfettered access to funneling money into then that falls under that umbrella for sure doesn't it Most definitely most definitely in most yes. Yeah they have a way of moving money around. Yeah it's really interesting. Yeah See that's going to be fantastic When when we hear the results of that investigation and we will because she's shame she's not behold into this Jagath? Yeah Bill Bar Chen Jag off in a while. We're getting some some vintage Slang Jack. skeeving showed Jagath. And I'm going to do the you know the UH sign for telling somebody off. Yeah that's not a flip you but a different. It's more like A. What do you like? Grab Your Bicep and then put your fist up in the. Yeah that's a good one could gesture. And and then when I flip people off I I use the like I don't do the flick off. I do the flip off Russell. The fingers are all the difference flip offers so flick off is when you do this thing. That's what I say around the Middle Finger. It just doesn't seem tall enough when you when you don't hold your fingers away. got a hold the other fingers and police to like have a higher hire middle finger more triumphant middle finger. Yeah that's true. You could like pull attend in that way to train and go at a two fiercely if you're holding on the other one back talking about obscene finger gesture injuries I will thank you for that reporting a Hope they're fucked and I really think they will be eventually have yet so they're already gone bankrupt and that's just wonderful right and one of the reasons. Why maybe they're they're transferring money all over the place to to Yeah so Let's see what I'm going to talk about noon today but we already know that. The entire Ukraine scandal was likely funded by Russia. Aw Okay increase. We just found this one million dollars payment from a Russian account to love Parnasse. And we'll go over that in the fancy indictment league. He failed to disclose as part of his bail agreement. He was supposed to disclose and his wife was supposed to close all of his stuff and he he just didn't tell them about a million bucks he got from Russia and account in Russia still But the Republican ranking member member of the House Intelligence Committee that investigated the Ukraine shakedown scheme Devon Nunez as we know is involved in multiple lawsuits but has yet to disclose how he's paying for the legal fees uh-huh involved in these multiple frivolous lawsuits so every quarter As a politician you have to file a campaign finance report and the one Nunez filed for third quarter with the FTC shows shows he paid a Fresno Law Firm. Three.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

Mueller, She Wrote

12:50 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

"So that's that was Doug Collins calmly responding to being mad that he had to come to work on a Friday much in most distinguished response learning and of course headlines Headlines in newspapers everywhere The next morning had the photo that's going to become famous of of now they're sitting there and collins like a second but it was weird period period menopause. Yeah okay I yeah I know I don't even know what that means. But not the name shaming periods. You know what I mean right yes. Yeah but yeah. He's insane. Yeah and there were a lot of insane things that happened during those hearings. I love the debate style. Better Gohmert wouldn't stop talking about the steele dossier And he kept saying. It's why we're here right now because of the phony dossier but that's why we're here impeaching trump It's got nothing to do with it but we did learn something new you about Christopher Steele last week when the report came out Jordan you have that story. Yeah so this is interesting. HORWITZ's team uncovered and included information about previous contacts that steelhead with one of the members of the trump family over the years Who we now know to be Ivanka? Ivanka trump so the two back in two thousand seven apparently at a dinner and what they were doing is just discussing the possibilities of them working together in the capacity of him being an intelligence master whatever thought he was good then it was good enough to work with them then and then they I guess met again the next year in two thousand and presumably to continue that same conversation because I wanted to hire him And sources says that are familiar with the meetings said Ivanka and steel were discussing. What steals intelligence firm Orbis Business Intelligence could provide to the trump organization directly exactly as it geared up to expand its real estate arm into foreign markets so they were having multiple conversations about hiring him to? Yeah I I guess just help them. You know move into these different markets address rewarding the same as I said but with confidence I guess is in the intelligence aspect of it so nothing. Nothing actually went through though they didn't really it doesn't at least not from what I've read so far. Yeah yeah no no deals. Were like formalized between tween them but it does it is a glaring indication that them trying to discredit him either means they were incredibly short sighted when they previously were looking at soliciting his work. Or they're just lying because they're back to the corner and then we also have all the accusations that he was biased IAS Christina's bias against the trump family and and came out when I believe Horowitz had gone to UK to interview him and he said if anything. I have a favorable the trump family. Because I'm really trying baby. Yeah my prediction is if this story gets more traction and the people started asking more questions about it they're going to say the trump side will say yeah we thought about using him but he's so incompetent that we didn't give him the job and then he did the dossier as Hit piece because he was mad at us for not hiring him. I bet they'll say that. Yes if they even bother with it at all put replying to and there was an article that came out like before the report was released. That said Chris Steele was notified about a piece of information about him. That would be coming out in the report and didn't give him a chance to respond to that and I'm wondering if that was the piece probably. Yeah Yeah So the articles of impeachment passed the judiciary next. We expect a robust last report by tonight. Sunday night at midnight With detailed explanation of the articles and I'll go over what we expect to be in that report with Miwa Wiley later Because you know they alluded the articles of impeachment allude to Muller but don't mention him by name and they are trying to establish a pattern of behavior and looking at the totality of the evidence and. I think that that will be more in. We'd be explained in more detail when this report comes out we don't have it as of this hour And she and I will. We'll also discussed McConnell and Graham this weekend To McConnell was like well. I'm just going to be working with the president on everything and putting forth what he wants in the Senate trial trial. And then Lindsey Graham saying. I'm not even going to pretend that I'm a fair juror. Something like just absolutely ridiculously like I don't even know I. I can't wait to see his face. When Chief Justice John Roberts administers the oath to him? Just like and what's the what like what's he swearing on right like. Maybe it's just a Bible cover but inside is like a playboy magazine pitcher trump the one with the Malania in I don't know I don't know what he's going to swear it but it's just interesting Because he's you know he's purportedly man of God and Trying to be fair and all this other stuff and he will be required to take an oath that he's GonNa do this judiciously fairly. He's already said with his mouth else. I'm not GonNa do it so I wonder if anyone will bring that up just kick it off with a bunch of dry. It should be in the opening arguments if if I I would I would put it in there. Yeah because I mean and sadly like there's the Republicans whole strategy in the House of Representatives For impeachment because the House has sole To to impeach the president in the House had gone on with their defense that this is a sham process. And there's no due process and it's fake and it's a kangaroo anger record and of course they're accusing their enemy of that which they are guilty of. Because that's what's going to happen in the Senate and so it's GonNa be. That makes it really hard for us to be like. This is a sham process. Because they'll just be like well you started it and so I you know I fear for that but I'm interested to see how they How they write that into or discuss it in the opening arguments if they touch it at all? Because it's it's hard to defend against a sham process defense offense and then go in with that knowing. It's a rubber stamp in the Senate and that they all right before they even see it or hear any evidence. They're just GonNa vote a specific way. Okay Yeah I hope the Democrats into this just knowing that. They're not going to get the outcome that obviously they want in that knowing that they're just GonNa go through this with as much dignity dignity as they can and just be professional. Just get it done and yeah I don't really have another choice. You know. No the other choices. Not sending the articles to to the Senate and I'll go over that a little bit later in the show But Tuesday night Tuesday first of all during the day. There's GonNa be a rules. Committee hearing during which the House will hammer out the process. Ask to send. The articles voted on by the judiciary to the full House for a vote. Pelosi says she has not whipped any of her caucus Meaning She's not trying to persuade the great I know she wants to let members vote their conscience so she said that and then Tuesday night there. Mass demonstrations planned on impeachment because Tuesday night it is believed to be the eve of impeachment in over four hundred cities there's a lot of different Protests and demonstrations not protest but demonstrations demonstrations for impeachment. Is there a Hashtag or some sort of rallying by signed up for the one in Saudi Arabia which I think that does sound rate but yet I know it's happening running On Waterfront Park in San Diego tonight actually after we today. Oh it's not the Tuesday night. No they said that they were going to do it. The one that I'm taking about had organized a bunch. The Sunday before Oakdale expected to happen now. There is no vote on the calendar yet scheduled in the full house I think they're just taking it one step at a time. I don't I don't presume to sort of postulated or hypothesize that that means they won't vote So I just WanNa make that clear but There are tons of demonstrations. You can just look them up yes on on the on the move on is the move on. Yeah yeah I got an email. That says San Diego in Treatment Rally Typo in the subject line. That's the president. It says the House will probably vote on impeachment a few days so we will rally at noon to one. Am Sunday December. Fifteen two thousand nineteen that means right now right now. We're right now so it's happening at Waterfront Park on the west side of the county. ADD building got it yeah. I'm sure that there are Tuesday's demonstrations planned in our town to over four hundred four hundred one I think was the last count in in related news. I wanted to wait to see you. Know talking about withholding articles from the Senate or you know sitting on them for a minute. I was all ready to wait and see what the Supreme Court said about the three trump tax cases before. I made up my mind on an impeachment timeline personally during last Friday's Supreme Court conference. They they considered granting cert- s- In both the Sivan's and house oversight Mazari's subpoena cases and they were considering a stay in the house. Deutsche Bank of capital Subpoena case. They have granted both sorts. They will hear arguments on the merits in March And we should expect a decision in the June July timeframe unless they decide side to come out with a decision sooner and they granted the stay in the Deutsche Bank cases well and then of course January third we have the District Court of Appeals hearing the more grandeur and materials and mcgann cases as well. Those haven't made it to the Supreme Court yet January third presumably. They would make it in the march timeframe I and so all five cases would probably be if they decide to hear all five. would be heard in March with Decisions out in June the June July timeframe. So this leaves us with a couple options. I mean obviously the. I think that they will vote on articles of impeachment this week in the full house Probably send them to the Senate after the Christmas break One option is that we can just allow these this tax to come out right in the middle of the campaign and just make it a public thing a and and that just helps us with the twenty twenty election Another option people are talking about. We can impeach him again. I don't know how politically what a good idea that is. We're all kind of sick of it And I hate to say that because I don't want to be but that doesn't belittle the fact that it is tiresome It is tiresome factor. I do think though that to remain consistent again with the reason that I think they're continuing on with impeachment currently is because they have to they're morally obligated to so it does raise a really interesting question of what different avenue than can they exhaust after this then if it's not going to be through Congress again right and if they are morally obligated to impeach which is why they're doing it now why wouldn't they be morally obligated if federal CR- Financial Crimes Times came to light or his loans were underwritten by Russia. Or something you know something really like smoking gun type Shit. That's insurance or our stuff will come out and so then you have to say well if it was our duty to impeach for Ukraine shakedown scheme. Isn't it also do you impeach for these crimes. And then of course there will be the arguments politically made probably on both sides that say. Hey we're in the middle of an election year. Now we are by you know. Presumably by the time any subpoenas worked their way through the courts. It would be you well past the election If they needed to do additional subpoenas although they might not they might have everything they need in in these subpoenas and then of course the Vance stuff we probably. You won't even see that's going to a grand jury and that's part of his investigation And and it's interesting because that puts him passed a statute of limitations for misdemeanor fraud. Which means he would have to be able to prove felony fraud in his cases? Were you know once. He got The eight years of business tax documents from from his ours and so then does he indict a sitting president because he's not under the Department of Justice and he's not beholden to Although some might argue the Department of Justice Federal Courts aren't beholden to it either that Office of Legal Council member that says you can't indicted sitting President So we could have trump tax stuff. Come out and an indictment of the president of the Manhattan District Attorney's Office right in the middle of election season in the argument would be like..

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

The Beat with Ari Melber

01:46 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

"Okay I also disagree with for with something. John Flannery said he predicted at the end of the day. People will go home and will change their minds and possibly vote to remove the president. I'll on make a bet with him on that. I don't think these hearings have really changed anybody's mind if you thought the president was horrible for all the reasons set. Your three very articulate panelists outlined. Then you can continue to think that. And if you think for the reason that I will articulate that the president has a defensible case you can vote to reelect him if you want to be impeached. Then you're going to believe that too and I think at the end of the day the House is going to impeach him largely if not exclusively on partisan lines are and that the Senate will vote to acquit him. It takes a two thirds of those senators present. I'm assuming all one hundred senators will be present so it takes sixty seven votes to remove move. A president there are forty five Democrats two independents who who vote with the Democrats assuming they all stick together as they probably will that gets them to forty seven. There is no no way. On God's Green Earth based on the evidence has been presented the twenty Republicans are going to cross over to remove to remove the president. So let me then leading to what you were what you were talking about by saying that you know I. They all refer to patriots coming forward to give give testimony. And I'M NOT GONNA up quibble with that at all. I am not going to Impune. The integrity of career diplomats or for that matter even political appointees who disagreed with the president about what was in the country's best interests and I actually don't think it's appropriate for the president to tweet about them. It said I don't think he's to intimidate anybody yet. Doing to try to get his public message..

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

The Beat with Ari Melber

02:27 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

"That is such a good question and honestly. I think it's one of the reasons that we may never have sort of satisfaction regardless of how all of this plays out politically politically. At the end of the day. There will be no satisfaction because there is this huge group of people with firsthand relevant information who we will just just never hear from and that's not satisfying and it shouldn't be satisfying for either side. So the actual answer question. Why don't they have to testify is because they are invoking an argument for constitutional or absolute immunity? which is a little bit different than executive privilege we've also heard about? I'll give you the two second shorthand hand version of that. The idea is that the president's close circle of advisers are essentially his alter egos right. The president cannot be subpoenaed to come come and testify before Congress for good reason right you. You don't need him to have to sit there and take questions from Congress. He can show up if he wants to be. Can't be compelled. The idea is that his is close. Circle of advisers are essentially his agents. His Alter Egos. So you shouldn't be able to subpoena them for similar reason now. Executive privilege is similar similar idea but it's limited to specific communications so executive privilege would say you have to show up to testify but if there are certain communications certain conversations that you've had that would delve into for example advice. That one advisor was giving to the president. Those may be protected. This is the first time that absolute immunity or constitutional immunity has been raised. It has been raised from many administrations Democrat and Republican. It is being used in a particularly aggressive way in these proceedings and it what is most frustrating. Probably as it's being used right now because it is keeping otherwise relevant witnesses with good information that would shed light on a lot of these issues from having to testify excellent and very interesting. The next question is from Ron's Hausky and it tracks with the Watergate case which ended among other things ultimately with an attorney general going to jail and two of them and other ritual inclined needs and other important interests. The United States aches being addressed. Not only through the binary question of what to do about the case of the president and Mr Sikorski asks. Can anyone be put in jail for this. Yes in fact. I think the president should have been put in jail because I think there is no constitutional bar.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

The Beat with Ari Melber

01:47 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

"There are differences in fact. But that doesn't I mean at the level of precedent which we care about. If you're honest that hobbling the president's commander in chief and national security powers is something that everyone is comfortable approval with that. Is I think a really important point. And it's similarly so let me say one thing about that. It's why it's absolutely dependent dependent on the evidence and the allegations right. So it's not just that it's national security every single weather it's bribery whether it's obstruction or a or broader abuse of power every every single one of these requires constitutional level. Not The your point earlier about the mailbox felony and so here. The reason it's such a powerful argument is because even remembered Jennifer Ormeau Williams right works for vice. President Pence said unusual inappropriate. She was deeply uncomfortable and and and it had been on a dozen calls with presents and never heard anything like that. And you have the fact that it was a bipartisan. Addison decision it was a bipartisan congressional appropriation. So we're already getting outside to that. Boundary Presidential Power. Right so this goes to the constitutional nature of balance of powers. And then you have. Was it legitimate to be concerned. And all the evidence every shred including from the witnesses that were trying to be very helpful to trump like Kurt Volker were like the Department of Defense over and over again said no no no. It's good.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

The Beat with Ari Melber

02:39 min | 1 year ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

"Good evening good evening. How're you? Did they sit here. Wow what a wonderful warm crowd. It's great energy. I don't know about you guys. We've been a little busy. I've been working so it's really nice to be with a bunch of citizens who are interested in having this conversation. I appreciate you all being here and I'm going to tell you very briefly what we're going to do and then I'm going to bring out. A member of democratic leadership from the Congress has also been busy so we really think we have a lot to get to but just to give you some expectations. Since we're going to bring Congressman Jeffries. Who of course is New York Congressman? Not yet he's going to hear the applause. One more minute congressman. He really is back there. Ah But we're going to bring him out and have a conversation about what we've learned this week and we're we're going then we're going to bring out some really talented prosecutors that you'll probably recognize both from their a public service as well as some of their expertise on air and really go through. What is the case on multiple grounds for the potential impeachment of president trump based based on newly discovered evidence? Now you can you clap or at various points. Obviously but eventually you'll get tired but but it's not just that side because if any of you have seen any of the work that we try to do our journalism at the beater on MSNBC AND NBC News You can't understand stories or cases without understanding standing all sides and so then we're going to be able to hear from someone who's also very talented and experienced. Who has been a formal Republican witness even in the recent Judiciary Committee hearings on the report and get that perspective? And I think that's really interesting and important and then we will get a final closing argument. Went from the man known affectionately around. MSNBC's Robert Redford and some of you know what that means. And if that's that's what I'm talking about and for those of you who don't know what that means you will be able to find out the only other thing I'm going to mention is we're GONNA take questions and Through the HASHTAG impeachment debate. You could literally start firing them off now you. This is an on the record public event. You're obviously welcome to share your thoughts post pictures etcetera tre and you can use the Hashtag you see right there impeachment debate both to share anything but also to do questions we literally have our team monitoring that and that's how we'll take questions both from inside the hall all as well as this is an inclusive. MSNBC PODCAST event as well as for people around the nation who are looking to be able to listen and hear the answers. So because I have other things to say but I'll get to them later without further ado. Please join me in welcoming Brooklyn Congressman and a member of Speaker. Pelosi's leadership congressman. Hakeem.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

The Beat with Ari Melber

04:06 min | 2 years ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

"Listeners. We haven't done this on TV. But we're doing it right now, I'm joined by Nick Ackerman, and Maya Wiley people, I think, you know, if you're listening to our podcast, thanks for coming on you guys. I was great to be here having I wanted to run through a few more things here as a year ender as we think back on what has been quite a year to both of you. I when you look at the Miller probe so much happened. What's going to matter? What do you think will be in the history books? I think which really going to matter are the fact that you've got three cooperating witnesses that Muller has turned. They're going to be testifying. You've got Michael Cohen. You've got Rick gates, and you've got Michael Flynn, all of these people are very close to the Trump orbit and are going to have a lot to say over the next coming year. And I think their testimony is basically going to fill in two aspects of the Muller probe which have already come out one his the conspiracy that was charged against the. The thirteen Russian intelligence operatives for breaking into the Democratic National Committee, stealing documents and emails, and essentially putting those out there releasing in staging the release of those documents. And then you've got the second conspiracy, which has to do with the use of social media to suppress the Hillary Clinton vote during the two thousand sixteen election. So I think what Muller is done is. He's set up to big canvases. He's set up three major cooperating witnesses, and you're going to see a lot of other people who are going to testify as well that are going to fill in the blanks on both of those conspiracies over the next year. But I agree with neck, I'll add some detail because I think Michael Flynn who has been sort of the quiet person for the year, right until until year's end because of the sentencing in the blow up because his lawyers made a strategic mistake, quiet. But legally stupid legally stupid, but extremely important. I think to Nick's point around the conspiracy because you know. What Flynn was first of all paid by RT Russia today, which is considered literally a foreign agent by the State Department is RT was connected with the meeting and Julian Assange is at the Ecuador in in London Ecuadorian consulate on August seven second which was the same day that Roger stone than have the information about more emails being forthcoming and Flynn was also briefly on the payroll of the Virginia subsidiary of Cambridge Analytica, and what we have to remember is that Cambridge Analytica which had Facebook data, of course, and was hired by the Trump campaign. Also shows that some of those Cambridge Analytica data that they got from Facebook was accessed in Saint Petersburg. And so I think the point of the year in the news cycle is that there's so many of these details are so critically important. But it's hard to keep them all in one. Frame when there's so much information coming once vote for you hunting or central both of you hitting the fact that it's the cooperation around the conspiracy, which is partially charged and that that wider effort to really potentially steal an election, which is different from a lot of the other noise. We've had which which is important too, many various ways, but may not be important to history the same way, that's all the serious stuff. Let's let's roller sleeves up a little bit. Here. I've gotten to know both of you a little bit through the process of doing this show where we say on the show. And I think some of the listeners are really grateful for the contributions you guys provide what has been interesting or surprising or fun, even hopefully have some fun when we're here about about doing this about stepping out in this way, because I'll say my view, and you get yours for our listeners. You guys are not quote, unquote, pundit people both of you have quite an impressive record career legal service public service. And now at this. History. You're on TV a heck of a lot for I think the reasons of what's going on. So what does that transition been like that for you Meyer? Are you getting stopped downtown New York walk us through that?.

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"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

The Beat with Ari Melber

03:53 min | 2 years ago

"maya wiley" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

"On the radio. So we actually have people who aren't getting facts at all anywhere from anybody. So that I think is the bigger problem is how do we penetrate to have a conversation with one another about what is actually happening, and I'll give you one last an anecdote because my my daughter's spent some time in Arizona, she may never speak to me again. And she's years this light Brown kid from Brooklyn kind of going. Wait, you think what? And she was having a conversation with a with a van driver. A bus driver about the about the tax Bill, and he started saying some stuff that was totally like planet Mars about the tax Bill. It was crazy. And she she was sixteen at the time going, desperate, not true. And that's not a thing. But this is my point she sixteen talking to a forty five year old man, and what he was saying made no factual sense to her because she had a few. That's a deep societal problem and the news alone can't solve that. That's that actually becomes how we have conversations point. It was much more important that she able to say as a person with the relationship. Not a relationship to him as a dry, but you know, what I'm in interpersonal interaction to say. But we is that true. I don't think so because I actually heard it was x y z and him going you heard that and she's like, yeah. That's what I heard. That's a that kind of human connection. We don't have an none of our news outlets can mimic that necessarily unless we're actually trying to have a kind of dialogue. We're having right here and right now. So I mean, that's my fear for the country. It right is is the way in which we have a segregated reality of portrayal of the world. And Trump just gets to take that let let reality and paint, it even more aggressively and more broadly. Well, it's the. I think that raises two points one, which is a type of skepticism or information literacy that you'd want people to get from the schools, and the fact that there's a political movement trying to under undermine that is really problematic. But you want to be skeptical of everything everything you read, whether it's in the New York Times or on MSNBC on FOX you wanna bring that. So that you come out with all the sources, I mean, that's what standard liberal arts education would countenance. It's why in the aptly titled Jay Z song ignorant shit. He says they're all weirdos deniro's in practice looking at themselves in the mirror backwards. Only believe half of what you're you're lobe captures. And you don't want to believe everything you hear even for people that you are liking feeling affinity towards the second. Layer to that. I think that's great. So Maya Wiley gets half the room clapping. One person. Who's like, I know that. That's fine. With that. The second point though that I think is a inexorable antidote to what you're saying. Even if you take pessimistic theory of the case that that's a big problem, which is there are still reality based bubble events. That will fact check even that level of complete fiction. The problem is it doesn't apply to everything. So people who are being told lies about a caravan three thousand miles away that bubble may never pop. They may live and die having a belief about that that was put in their heads. But if they're being told something about. Katrina, which was famously covered one way on FOX. I mean, they initially tried to say it was going well, and it blew up in their face on Fox News.

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