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#120: Defend Innocence - Part 1 (with guests Shelaine Maxfield and Chris Yadon)

Parenting Great Kids with Dr. Meg Meeker

42:03 min | 9 months ago

#120: Defend Innocence - Part 1 (with guests Shelaine Maxfield and Chris Yadon)

"For thirty plus years. I've seen every type of child grow up instead of giving me what i wanted. She gave me what i needed which was truth. Don't let emotions win. Let truth win. Do your very best and you should have a lot of fun while you do better. You get at something the more fun you're going to have at something you moms. And dads are wired with everything you need to be a parent to a rape kit. Welcome to parenting great kids. This is episode number one hundred and twenty. And i'm your host. Dr mike meeker today. I have a really powerful and important show for you. I recently had the opportunity to interview. Chalene max 'field and chris yate on from the unique foundation. This foundation inspires and gives hope to women who were sexually abused as children or adolescents by providing healing services to education retreats support groups and online services. Chalene max field is the founder and president of the unique foundation which she established in two thousand fourteen after she and her husband. Derek became painfully aware of the long term impact. Child sexual abuse hasn't survivors. They envisioned creating an organization could help offer resources and services to provide healing education and hope free of charge as president of the unique foundation chalene guides the overall vision of their work and focuses on the individual experience of those who are directly served by the foundation chilean actively presents on both national and international stages with a focus on the hope and healing that are possible for survivors of sexual abuse and a call to prevent abuse. The max fields were recognized by utah valley magazine in two thousand sixteen. And we're awarded. Philanthropist of the year two years later chalene was featured as one of the thirty women to watch in utah. She is a devoted wife and mother to five beautiful children. Chris jaden is. The executive director of the unique foundation is previously held leadership positions in the startup tech and nonprofit industries. He brings a valuable skill set to the organization and is deeply committed to addressing the epidemic of child sexual abuse. Chris plays an important role as a spokesperson for the unique foundation. His assad after local speaker and has also been invited to present nationally and internationally. Chris has been featured across several media platforms we as where. He is often requested to contribute as an industry thought leader an expert. Chris considered his family as his greatest accomplishment. He's a grateful father of six children. Three boys and three girls he and his wife christie have been married for twenty two years before we get into this interview. I wanted to let you know that this is an adult centered conversation so if you have little ones around preoccupy them with something else as always i'll share my points to ponder so you can start using them away and remember parents. Don't just download the episode. Click the subscribe button. Because when you do that you will join my parenting revolution and every episode will automatically show up in your subscriber list. Not only are we on. I tunes but the pg k. Podcast is available in the google. Play store and unstitched so no matter where you get your podcast. Please subscribe today so you won't miss one single episode parents. Do you get sick of hearing your kids. Argue or your kids aren't listening to you or do you feel that. Sometimes life at home is kind of out of control. I did when my kids were young. I get it and i can help checkout disciplined with courage and kindness on my website. And let's help bring more order and more fun back into your relationships with your kids and if you go to the front page of my website. I have a free webinar so parents thanks for listening. This is episode number one hundred and twenty. Stay with us. I want you to listen in on a conversation. I had with selena. Max field and chris. I know you're really going to enjoy this one but it is heavy. I this is dr make meeker. Welcome to parenting great kids. We have a wonderful so today. It's going to be hard show but it's extremely important to talk about. I have a guest. Charlene max 'field and chris jaden and they are here from defend innocence. Welcome cast me. You really do the noble work. Don't you. I just love what you do and you have a remarkable story on how defend innocent scott started. Can you tell us a little bit. About what defend innocence is defend. Innocence is a nonprofit five. A one c three public charity and we educate parents and caregivers on how to reduce the risk of child sexual abuse. Can you tell us just quickly how cut started for me. I think this all started several years ago when my husband had leukemia. He had a friend that he met there in the hospital when they were going through treatments together and the closer that this friend got to the end of his life the more he wanted dirk to live for both of them do something good with his life and for me. It really stems back to that. Promise that my husband. Derek mason to a dying friend. And what year did you start. They really started in two thousand fourteen and we started in two thousand fourteen. That's when we incorporated but we started operating in two thousand fifteen and you just grown wildly. Which makes us realize what a big issue sexual abuse is. But we don't talk about it that much talk about some of the myths that people believe about sexual abuse. Yeah so some of the myths that are super common. Are it happened somewhere else in to somebody else. The reality is one in five children in the united states or sexually abused before they reach the age of eighteen. This means it's happening everywhere in every race. Every religion every socioeconomic class or difference. It's happening in every neighborhood. It's rampant in fact. The cdc released their most recent survey just over a month ago that talks about our high schoolers and they specifically highlighted that twenty percent of our girls are being sexually assaulted within the last twelve months of their high school. Education and eleven percent are being raped so that that first myth is that it happens to somebody else or some other neighborhood is just not true. It's happening at home. i. I'd say a couple. Other common myths are the whole concept of who does it specifically around strangers. A relatively small percentage of sexual abuse happens by strangers. Depending on the study you'll see between eighty and ninety percent of sexual abuse occurs from someone individual knows it's within that circle of trust that family Those friends Those acquaintances clubs things like that. So those are two of the bigger mess. There's a lot more but those are some of the big ones it's terrifying. it's terrifying as a parent. And i can understand why parents don't wanna talk about it. Because they think well that's happen to somebody else's kids and then when they hear that it happens from a family friend or an uncle. That's even harder because they trust those people. What percentage of sexual abuse perpetrated against girls happens from an older person or a a teenager. Because i think the one of the myths. I've always believed it's always an older man. You have a fourteen thirteen year old girl and a thirty year old man. So what what is the age range that men were assuming. It's men assaulting girls. Yeah it's a great question. I'll i'll share some statistics inch lincoln. Add a few. so let's start with with. Who's doing it so again. That varies a little bit by study. But you'll see between thirty and fifty percent of sexual abuse is what's considered child on child sexual abuse. That's where you have a younger child and an older child that perpetrates and typically the average age of older child is fourteen and then you're younger child's eight nine somewhere around there so that's the most common and people say well is that as bad or is that as hard as the adult. The reality is the answer's yes imagine being a nine year old or think back to when you were nine. Fourteen year old was keen to you right. They were your heroes there. He looked up to so that trust is still broken. The impact is still the same so a high percentage of sexual abuse is happening by older children. and other common meth is that it's predominantly men and though that is true The number of women that are perpetrating sexual abuse weather again child on child as a an older teen girl or adult. Women is certainly growing right now against girls against both oak against the okay. Now this is a crazy question but just for audience how you define sexual abuse. Because you've got a one end. You know older men who made talk sexual talk to a young girl and then on the other end you've got young. Girls were raped. So how do you define sexual abuse. I would say that the spectrum is actually quite large. It can be anything from inappropriate comments to exposure to pornography to rape molestation. There's really a broad range of it and for us. I feel like it's more about how it affects the child. You know because one one person might think something is not a big problem and another. It might be devastating to them so it's a huge range. I'll just add that. Our official definition is anytime. A child is forced or coerced into sexual activity that constitutes abuse. It doesn't have to be contacted. Can be non contact you know. It's we differentiate from things like sexual harassment. A cat call on the street. We don't constitute that sexual abuse in of itself right but when when someone in a position of trust an older child or an adult forces or courses child into sexual activity. That's how we define sexual abuse sexual talk. Yeah so so again. If i as an adult and forcing sexual talk on my child and it to elicit a sexual response from that child that certainly would be considered sexual abuse you know. Maybe a dad tells an off color joke and i. It's in poor taste but that's probably not second sexual abuse bit. I'm forcing her coursing. My child on purpose into sexual activity and using my position of authority or power to do that. That certainly constitutes abusing can be devastating to child are sure talk about sexual abuse on the internet because some people say well you know that person can't touch my daughter or sometimes they can't see my daughter so how can they abuse my daughter over the internet. I think there's just such a broad opportunity to educate people that feel that way and just because a person can't touch your child doesn't mean they can't access your child. You think about the many ways that people abused children it's not just physically sexually emotionally and mentally are part of that too. And if they're accessing your child and you know even though they can't touch your child they can get pictures of your child so is something we've got to be very diligent about very vigilant about all the time. This is the area. That's actually growing the most when it comes to sex sexual perpetration over the internet. So a big thing. That's going on right now. Is sex store shen and that almost all happens. Digitally or over the internet where someone courses a child into sexual activity. Maybe it's i course a teenager in descending nude and then i use that to extort something from that that child money whatever the things like that sexting the other thing to recognize that even even the contact abuse the in person abuse today almost always starts digitally through a text message through a chat chat room on social media it starts somewhere digitally and this is why monitoring and managing our kids technology and introducing technology at the right time in the right place is so critical as a parenting skill. You know one of the things that disturbed me so much as a pediatrician. I've been at this thirty. Years is over the past ten years. I've seen an increase in a beauce emotionally sexually Through social media to young girls. And i have begged parents please. Limit your daughter's exposure to the internet and please make sure she's older when she's exposed and that leads us to talk about the gab. Phone which i know is a great supporter of yours and the gab. Phone which we have covered right here. I don't know if our audience can see it but it is. It is the only phone that i strongly support. And i'm so excited about because they work really hand in hand with what you're doing because on the gap from kids can't access the internet so they don't have social media. They can't play video games in parents. Don't have to worry about their kids. I often hear this from parents. I don't have to worry about my daughter. She's a good kid and my response is always. That's the one i worry about. Because they don't want to say no twenty buddy and i read once that forty percent of girls who were fourteen to eighteen have sex. They don't want because they don't want to hurt the guy's feelings that's what a nice girl does. And so the gap phone protects girls from that and other cool thing about the gap phone is anybody. That buys a gap phone. Ten dollars are donated to you and so you are doing such incredible work. And and i think that we want to support you and encourage you any way we can talk about grooming. Yeah so i'll start just building off what you just said. The gab phone so grooming almost always starts digitally and Back to your comment about the gaffe on. Why we love our partnership with gab. Is it puts another tool in the hands of apparent to help manage so not anti technology were not anti technology. Your not anti technology. It's about introducing technology at the right time and the right place and the right age and so since so much happens. Digitally gab provides a tool to introduce that first phone that i experienced. Ease the child into it because perpetrators take advantage especially for young children the access they have on technology. They're trained to build trust with the child. They're trying to build trust with the parents and they almost always do that through technology so that building trust is one of the key grooming tools that they use they also like to single out or make a child feel special right right and when they single out and make a child feel special again often through technology it gives them power over that child to then move towards whatever form of perpetration. They're going to act on some of the thoughts. I just to highlight. You said almost always an often so as not always the case that that's the only way somebody can groom a child. They can do it in person. It's just we live in this modern age and we have so much technology it's children are various decibel unless we do something about that as parents to limit their access and Us things that don't allow them to get on the internet or don't seem to be contacted by people we wouldn't want contacting them. It can happen in in homesick can happen at On teams in public activities but more likely than not is through technology. It's just you can't let your guard down just because they're not accessing technology so you think about that and our kids are on seven eight year old kid so have a smartphone that have access to the internet. Twenty four seven so in my daughter's a teacher she said it's really hard to keep bones out of the classroom. Kids can't Can't concentrate they. Don't listen to what i want to say. But you think about that. That second third fourth grader could be being groomed right when they're in a classroom or their home. You know chatting with their friends on social media. And i think that parents miss that because we want to think that our kids can handle the internet that they can navigate somebody reaching out to them and saying wonderful things about them but they really can't and so that's why it's critical if we want to decrease sexual abuse of his and we want to have a real impact on decreasing grooming that. We really need to cut our kids from internet and social media. When they're very young. I personally don't think kids are able to navigate that children at least fifteen. So that's why this phone is so great because you don't have to worry about your kids can't get on the internet parents. I enjoying this conversation with chalen max. Field and christianity. We need to take a quick break. But don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more of his conversation cooking the same recipes again and again gets real old real fast but trying out. New recipes can be complicated and on top of that. 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She's ten years old to a friend's house and she's abused by a family friend but she doesn't want to tell anybody. How can parents be diligent about finding out if that kind of thing happens and how to recognize it. If it happens. I think open dialogue is so important. It's when we're talking about sex with our kids it's not this one conversation we're talking about consent and boundary caesar ongoing conversations that we have when the opportunities arise Not just because the child brings it up that maybe because something that the parents saw and wants to talk to the child about it one of the things that we do to make that easy on defend innocence is to educate the parents and caregivers. There we do that by little videos. Called kid chats we interview kids and ask them the difference between a versus a surprise and it makes it very easy for a parent to say. Hey come over and watch this for me. It's very kid friendly very family friendly and then you can have a conversation with your child. Has anyone asked you to keep a secret that made you feel yucky because if if an adult is asking a child to keep a secret if it's about a surprise party that's probably really appropriate but if it's a secret don't tell your parents or your be you'll be in trouble. That's a red flag and kids feel that kids feel that sense of fear. And maybe even guilt. So we're having these ongoing conversations with our children about boundaries about Tricky people. They're not always strangers. Tricky they're trying to trick. A child is very infrequent that an adult would need the help of a child. Very infrequent adults are very capable. Children are learning to become more capable. So if we're having these conversations with our kids and helping them understand how tricky people work and if they have a bad feeling they need to back away from this situation they can always talk to us when things make them feel uncomfortable and if we're building that relationship of trust and open dialogue with our children they are more likely to speak up and if we're telling them you know if somebody says that they're going to hurt me. They're not going to hurt me if somebody's telling you that i need to know because a lot of perpetrators will use that. That fear that. Shame or that guilt guilt to keep a child quiet and if our kids are constantly being quiet and they don't feel like they can talk to us. It's going to create a much bigger problem. So what i'm hearing you say is that parents have a huge role in. Teaching kids are in preventing sexual abuse of their child. We often hear that. Schools need to educate kids that if a teacher tells a third grader. Say no if a stranger approaches you. That doesn't really work because kids can be so manipulated and groomed. So i love that you are really getting through to parents to do. The hard part of the preventative work. The big responsibility does lie on parrots. Yes teachers spent a lot of time with our children but perhaps we should see them as people who reinforce the values that we're teaching at home instead of responsible to teach your children values and boundaries and consent there are children and if we're not the ones educating them somebody else's going to do that and they're probably going to get on media or internet and i would say you can't really trust either of those sources to give your kids the good strong values that you want them to have you're gonna put them at risk for being educated by something that you may or may not agree with if you're not involved in what they're being taught so we as parents if we're taking on that responsibility and relaying them to the messages that we feel are important that we've learned are important even those uncomfortable conversations those awkward moments all. We have to talk about this right. Now we're trying to make it easier for you to do that. And what i would say making to build up. What chellaney saying is the reason why it doesn't work to have the school system handle it or a church group handle it. Is these types of conversations need to happen regularly and there there's hundreds of them thousands of them over the course of a child's growing up years that are necessary to truly the only one that has that much access to the child is the parent. And so yes your church group can reinforce your school group can reinforce your you know after school program can can reinforce and they should and we're fans of them reinforcing but if they're the only ones talking to your child that say about sexual health your child's not going to get what they need. You know a a topic is complex of sexual. Health needs hundreds or thousands of little conversations from mom or dad or both to that child to help them grow up in a way that that really puts them in in the best opportunity to avoid not only being sexually abused but avoid sexually abusing others. Chris how important is it to have open communication with your kid. Yeah i think the best way to answer. That question is to actually share a real story from my own life. so i'm the father of three daughters. my oldest. When she was in sixth grade came home. And this is what happened. I was in my closet gotten from work putting some things away. She walked in and she said dad. What does the word prostitute mean right. Sixth grade girl as like. Oh that's you know that's an interesting question. I went on to explain what the word prostitute means that this this is why i want to highlight this important principle. Why did a sixth grade girls feel comfortable asking her dad. What the word prostitute means. She knew it had something to do with sex or was something sexual. Why did she feel comfortable. Just when dad came home from work asking that question. It's because we have had hundreds of conversations around sexual health before this conversation. Now consider the alternative. She's not the only sixth grade girl to hear the word prostitute on the playground. Right consider the alternative. If she didn't feel comfortable asking mom or asking me what the word means and she goes to google and types it in. That's a train wreck waiting to happen. So i think using that story highlights why it's so important to have those regular ongoing little conversations around sexual health with our kids absolutely talk about how we approach the idea with our girls of Giving consent to sexual activity or sexual talk. When do you start that. And how important is that. I think consent starts right when they're little one of the conversations that i had with my little girl even when i changed her diaper sometimes not every time but sometimes i would say i would ask. Who's allowed to touch this this area. Because i wanted her to understand that mommy can help her when she needs to be cleaned their mommy will be in the room when the pediatrician needs to look there but so she she understands and she has a choice and sometimes those conversations about consent have blown up in my face. You know My son had to have a mole removed that i was concerned about the and he hates needles and he would throw it right in my face that we always say my body my rules and i take a lot of coaching. I was really concerned that it might be skin cancer and it wasn't thank heavens. Just teaching them from a very young age is their body in their rules and We've been talking about how it's up to us to instill values in our children that we want them to have and they're eventually going to choose their own way and that's going to be what it is but if we're helping them understand that they have a choice. They don't have to cater to someone else's whims or desires. They have a choice. They have a voice and they can use both and it really empowers them on a on a on a deeper level to it does in a power to say no to somebody who said something in their classroom or whatever do either of you have a good example. How a parent response to learning about sexual abuse really helped girl. So there's a store on her website in fact recommend the viewers. Just go watch it. But her name's page she. She did all the right things in a situation but was still assaulted by a man. She felt horrible and even though she did everything right she said no she she fought back. She pushed on it right She felt horrible. She felt ashamed. She felt guilty. Her parents responded beautifully. They validated her. They reinforce that it wasn't her fault. They allowed her to cry. They cried with her. They experienced the pain with her and then they got her proprio help. And you'll see as you watch that video a beautiful example of how apparent response when something doesn't go right. And i hope if i've ever find myself in that situation i will respond as well as they did. It really is a beautiful story. And i encourage anybody whether they have a child who's been sexually abused or whether they haven't to go to your website and to look at page a story and to look at all of you do because the chance it they're going to run in to aid grow. Who has been sexually abused. They need to know what to do how to handle it where to get help. So it's a huge report source for everybody really. Can you just say what her dad did. At the end of the story. Dad did what we refer to as a confronted with kindness conversation. So the person that did it was a teenage boy. It was a friend of pages. He went over to the boy's house and talk to talk to mom and dad and you know to his credit. He wasn't angry or at least in express anger about the boy. His hope was that boys young enough that if he has a few conversations with mom and dad to help them understand. What happened wasn't good and wasn't right. The this will be the last time that happens in. So that's a confront with kindness conversation. I think it's a great example of a parent taking charge and think about the message that sent the page. That's what i was thinking about. healing healing. Yeah just the fact that they were willing to stand up and address directly and defend her. They took her side. They did kids. Need that trust with somebody that trust comes from knowing your loved and knowing that they can believe their parents. And you don't have that where the teacher is. Wonderful teachers are. You just can't have that. And i think i read a study once where there was a protective factor for kids. Being sexually active was knowing how their parents felt about them being sexually active and the parents didn't necessarily have to say anything. but kids. know what you think you can walk in a room and ten seconds. They'll know what kinda day you had to see them if you don't if you're matter happy so hits really feed off of what their parents tell them. So i love that. You're not only working in the healing aspect of girls who have been sexually abused. But you're working in the preventative side too. And i think that's an area that is really stumped a lot of people because we we think. How can we really do that. But it sounds like defend innocence as being very successful in doing that. Now under my points to ponder one. Don't be afraid to confront you know. Many women who have been sexually abused struggle with fear of telling someone about their abuse the feelings that come from sexual abuse or intense painful and they often feel too overwhelming for women to confront remember. The worst of the abuse is over and what remains is your feelings. The worst of the abuses over and what remains is feelings. Yes they're painful yes. You may feel shame around them but it's very important to have the courage to confront those feelings. You've already experienced the abuse so try not to be afraid of the feeling that remain when you're ready to let those feelings out or confront them. Don't do it alone. You must find a group like defend innocence. That will guide you and help you. You may find a great local councillor who can help you as well to don't be afraid to see many girls who have been sexually abused. Hide it from their parents. Want to upset their parents or feel ashamed in front of them. This means that if your daughter has become a victim of abuse she'll probably hide it from you. That's why you need to keep your eyes open. An intuition ready to recognize signs of abuse. These signs are withdrawal from friends and family melancholy. Fear of sleeping change in greats not wanting to be with friends or being afraid to be away from them so girls can go from one extreme to the other. If you suspect that your daughter has been abused you must act. Do not be afraid. Do not turn away from your daughter. She needs your help. Even if the abuse was perpetrated by someone you know or very close to you. Your allegiance is to your daughter. Not the perpetrator call a counselor organization like defend innocence. And ask how you should proceed three. Don't be afraid to speak up if you suspect abuse in a girl a neighborhood girl a girl of your a girlfriend of your daughters. Speak up if you become concerned that your neighbor's daughter your niece or a. What a friend of your daughters. Maybe being abused you have to speak up. Sometimes it's good to speak to a parent of the abused child but many times. This isn't safe so contact child protective service or a counselor who's well versed in abuse and taking care of girls who have been sexually abused the worst thing that you can do. Instant turn a blind eye to the abused girl. That girl could have been you or your daughter. Wouldn't you want someone to stand up for review or for her so be bold and speak up and be had. A girl feel might be being abused even if you're suspicious of abuse parents. You know that. I love answering your questions but right now. I'm taking more time interviewing my guests. I answer questions in another podcast in my blogs. So keep sending them into me. You can email me your parenting question to ask meg at meg. Meeker md dot com again. That's ask meg at meg meeker. Md dot com. I wanna thank chalene. Max field and chris from the unique foundation for joining me on the show today to find out more about the unique foundation. Go to why. Oh you n. i q. U. e. foundation. That's why o. U. n. i q. U. e. foundation dot org. So let's recap my points to ponder one. Don't be afraid to confront to don't be afraid to see. Don't be afraid to speak up so until next time. Parents always remember that great kids are raised. Not born this. Bobby producer of magny. Cours parenting greg. 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#121: Defend Innocence - Part 2 (with guests Shelaine Maxfield and Chris Yadon)

Parenting Great Kids with Dr. Meg Meeker

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#121: Defend Innocence - Part 2 (with guests Shelaine Maxfield and Chris Yadon)

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You get at something the more you're gonna have it something you moms and dads are wired with everything you need to a parent who are great kid. Welcome to parenting great kids. This is episode number. One hundred and twenty-one and i'm your host dr. Meg meeker today. I'm going to continue my interview with selena. Max field and chris aden from the unique foundation. This foundation inspires and gives hope to women who were sexually abused as children or adolescents by providing healing services to education retreats support groups and online services. Chalene max field is the founder and president of the unique foundation which she established in twenty fourteen after she and her husband. Eric became painfully aware of the long term impact. Child sexual abuse has on survivors. They envisioned creating an action that could offer resources and services to provide healing education and hope free of charge as president of the unique foundation. Chalene guides the overall vision of their work and focuses on the individual experience of those who are directly served by the foundation schilling actively presents on both national and international stages with a focus on the hope and healing that are possible for survivors of sexual abuse and a call to prevent abuse. The max fields were recognized by utah valley magazine and twenty sixteen and were awarded. Philanthropist of the year two years later chalene was featured as one of the thirty women to watch in utah. She's a devoted wife and mother to five beautiful children. Christie is the executive director of the unique foundation his previously held leadership positions in the startup tech and nonprofit industries. He brings a valuable skill set to the organization and is deeply committed to addressing the epidemic of child sexual abuse. Chris considered his family as his greatest accomplishment. He's grateful father of six children. Three boys and three girls he and his wife christie had been married for twenty two years before we get into the interview. I wanted to let you know that this is adult centered conversation so if you have little ones around you might wanna preoccupy them somewhere else as always. I'll share my points to ponder for you to start using right away. parents please remember. Don't just download the episode. click subscribe. Because when you do that you will get every new episode automatically and you subscribe list. I promise you won't regret it and remember. I'd love for you to write a review on i tunes and let me know what you think of the podcasts. Also not only are we on i tunes but the pg k. Podcast is available in the google. Play store and on stitcher so no matter where you get your podcast subscribe today. Parents i know that for many of you a big struggle you have with. Your kids is when to buy them a cell phone. 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One hundred and twenty-one stay with us. I want you now to listen in on the second part of a conversation i had was two max field and chris. I know you're really going to enjoy it. Let's talk about another topic. That's extremely uncomfortable for parents. We need to talk about and that's sex. Trafficking sex trafficking is horrific. In fact there's been a recent surge in awareness around sex trafficking. It does happen But there's a concern right now as parents focus on sex trafficking that we're taking our focus away from the most significant risk that their child faces and and it's okay that apparent wants to help a child out of trafficking. That's a good thing but sometimes we as parents used things like that to check the box to say. Oh we're doing something about this issue. The reality is the chance that a child will be sex. Trafficked is extremely low. What makes child at risk of being trafficked as if they're a risk of being a runaway their refugee or they're in the foster system or are they just had terrible parents. Yeah right so if those types of things are happening with your child then yes worry a lot about it. But if those things aren't happening the reality is your child faces much different risks than trafficking. And they're much greater risk of being abused or raped by a friend in high school or assaulted by friend high school or by a family member by coach or someone in their church than they are being trafficked so while you're working hard parents to to address trafficking which you should just understand that that's not going to really solve the risk that your child faces. I think it's easier to talk about because it's less frequent. It's not personal. It's out there and we know it's a social issue so it's easier to talk about but sexual abuse is harder because it might have somebody that we know and respect but we're going to have to confront who abused child. And i think. I've seen that. I've seen you know where an adult man who's a friend of the parents assaults girl but they don't want to bring it to him because he's a very good friend so it gets very complicated very complicated. I know that sexual abuse is extremely harmful to girls. Physically mentally psychologically. Can you talk a bit about what the girls are. Young women that you're dealing with who come into haven the retreats. What are the biggest issues. They're dealing with that are directly related to their sexual abuse. The women who come to the haven retreat actually a variety of different stories and backgrounds. That they come from. It's been my observation. That some of the things said they are dealing with a sense of hopelessness a feeling of broken nece. They feel alone a lot of them. Self medicate because they don't want to feel what they feel and in their defense people don't wanna feel broken they don't wanna feel Harmed and negative all the time in fear all the time so although there are a variety of things that they deal with. I love that we can do something to help them. We can give them hope. We can educate them. We can help them understand that their brains are wired into specific way to get a specific response out of them if they sense fear their brain is going to tell them. You're in a dangerous situation and they're going to have physical reactions. Maybe their hearts gonna start beating faster. They're gonna breathe quicker. They might sweat. But if we're helping them understand that that's a normal response. Your brain is telling you to do that and then give them the education and the tools. They need to work through that natural response. It's going to help a lot of them. I'll share a few interesting statistics to reinforce what shall lane Shared so sexual abuse survivors are three times more likely to attempt to suicide so that would be in effect right at thirty percent of them have attempted suicide thirty percent of them of also engaged in some sort of eating disorder. A twenty percent have been subject to a substance abuse addiction. Another one. that's interesting is eighty five percent of them have been diagnosed with a mental health disorder. So when you hear these types of things right these societal ills that we are fighting against every day when you when you're fighting against suicide what you're really fighting against is early childhood trauma in almost every case and that's the root of the issue with sexual abuse being one of them and so the most common diagnosis. Ptsd so and so they're dealing with these ptsd symptoms and use all these other behaviors like an eating disorder drug addiction to to self medicate her cope with those ptsd symptoms. That chalene destroyed. Well it makes a lot of sense and from my experience. Girls who've been sexually abused in a little bit of a different category from others who just have general anxiety and depression because one of the issues. I think it's hard for adults who have been sexually abused or the parents to to wrap their minds. Around is the fact that girls field responsible and the reason they feel responsible is because kids when they're young believe. They have control over their environment. They're very egocentric. That's why it's hard to convince bureau that they didn't 'cause their parents divorce or they couldn't do anything about it. And so when you have that sense that you are responsible for such a horrific thing happening to you. You're the self hates the self. And i think you're smart because if you don't get to the root of that. You really can't help that healing in a child if a parent finds out that their child has been abused. What should they do next. And what shouldn't they do. I i would say the first thing when you find out is to respond gently on with love. You should not freak out. You should not blame the child. You should believe the child even if you struggle to believe what they are telling you wondering how it could possibly be true. The chances of child lying about being sexually abused are tiny tiny and the the possibility that they are telling. The truth is huge. So you've got to respond with love and kindness. Gentleness you have to take a moment to collect your own thoughts because that's going to be a very traumatic for a parent yet. Yeah and the parent has all this guilt. And oh my gosh i. I didn't protect my child. How could this have happened to my child. I'm doing all these things right. And how could it still have happened. So it's it's a very difficult situation to be in. I have a lot of people reach out to me about this exact thing actually and i always direct them to their local authorities of authorities into their pediatrician. Because the the resources in different communities are going to be different and we want them to have access to all of them. Those are both great places to get those resources. But i personally would pray. You know i. I would go right to the lord and say yes what what can i do. How am i gonna fix this mess and I just think that just handling it as best. You can just putting yourself back i and doing everything you can to help. The child is going to be so important and that first response can be instrumental or detrimental in the healing process for that child. Chris might have some thoughts. Shall i know that just the way i'd summarize it is respond don't react. Involved professionals pediatrician mental health. Professional to help you navigate those waters. Lots of love. Lots of acceptance. Lots of i believe you lots of patients because they're struggling with it too. they have this confusion. This shame guilt this fear that can all be new to them or it can be all the surface for them so just responding with love and compassion is going to be so important and boys that hard. I mean i just for me personally. You know somebody. If one of our girls came and told me that i would think of my shotgun in the closet. I that's terrible to admit but it's probably a normal response responses. Where is he where is it. But if you communiqu that communicating kindness and softness and warmth having those very intense feelings is against your intuition. It's hard so you really almost have to think about it. I when anything like that happens to a child. Let me let me offer a ray of hope here. Research continues to show us that if a parent will respond and get the child. Help the chances that that child will suffer long term consequences. Ptsd go down dramatically. What causes the long term consequences that we talked about the suicidal id. Asian the drug addiction is when parents sweep it under the rug and hide it and then the child's left to deal with with resulting trauma. It's that resulting trauma. And it's intensifying over the years for something that never got dealt with and resolved that produces such devastating results for their life so You know in terms of the do not do is probably the biggest. Do not do as a parent is. Don't sweep it under the rug. It doesn't matter who did. It doesn't matter if it's someone you love just as much as you love. That child do not do not do not under any circumstances. Sweep it under the rug year. Giving that child a life sentence if you do and don't take the side of the perpetrator even if you love the perpetrator to you've got to be all about the victims of survivor and focus on them. 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Plus free shipping on any crate line at kiwi co dot com slash meg. That's k- i. W i c. O dot com slash meg. There's so much going on in the news right now and for parents it can be hard to know how to explain the issues to your kids when they ask questions now. This kids is a new podcast hosted by now. This and fourteen year old youth activist naomi wasser that unpacked the news. In ways your whole family can understand it. Also highlights incredible kids and families who are trying to make an impact in their communities right now now. This kid has covered. Important topics like body positivity bullying and staying healthy. Listen to now. This kids. With naomi wadler every wednesday with your kids friends. I believe it's important to include our kids weren't we're talking about issues that are happening around us and sometimes that's even political issues or social issues. It's important that our kids have our import when it comes to this. I like now this kids because it's really fun for kids to listen to and it gives a kid's perspective. We don't often hear about what kids are thinking and they all allows us to see life and issues through a young teenagers is. Your family can enjoy new episodes of now. This kid's every wednesday find it on apple podcast stitcher spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts in my mind and my experience. There's a little bit of a difference between girls who are assaulted by an outside family member than by a father. Say and i think it's difficult for mothers who are married to Believe the girl rather than the husband and they're in this deep deep conflict if you're a parent and you perceive there's ongoing abuse and it is probably from somebody very close to you that main and that parents may not want to talk about it. What would you say to that parent. Maybe we've got somebody listening right now. Mother who goes you know. I think there's some weird going on. I think it's my husband. My dad my brother whatever. What would you tell her. Trust your intuition. You've you've gotta listen to that. Were given those fillings. For a reason they help they help us be safe and it was like you were saying you know if you're with your kid within ten seconds you know if they're in a bad mood and if something's going wrong with your child you can feel that you have to honor that feeling difficult as the next moments or months might be. You've got to choose wisely if there's any doubt in your mind about what they're saying you have to really pay attention like maybe they're right. You have to just think of it if what if they're right. What is my responsibility as a parent if they're telling the truth and it might be some very uncomfortable conversations. That's one of the other things that we offer on defend. Innocence is Embracing the awkward confronting with kindness way give pointers and tips for parents to be able to navigate these conversations because we know that they're going to be difficult but they need to be hat. The you know. let me just paint a scenario. Meg describes what you're saying. So there's a mom and a dad and the dad is the one that's perpetrating. it's the child. Chances are that mom is also being victimized in some way whether that's emotionally sexually whatever right and so a realistic for for us to expect her to respond. Well and and the reality is if she's a victim as well the chances of her responding well or not not really really good. But there's something she can do and that is when she can't protect her child she can call on somebody to do a sister a neighbor. Sometimes when we aren't in place to help our child we can. We can build up enough strength enough gumption enough whatever to get someone else to protect their child for us because we're in such a mess ourselves so if that's all you can do. You can't do the checklist of all the things to protect your. If all you can do is engaged. Another trusted adult to protect your child. You're a hero in my eyes because if you don't address it you're really setting that child up for years and years and years of misery but if you do have the gumption to address you could be really starting hailing at that time and i just want to encourage parents you know. They can do so much more than they think they. Can you know they can have hard conversations they can. I think we're afraid of our kids sometimes. Would if they respond this way to mir what they respond that way to me. If you're a friend and you suspect child abuse of another friend's daughter what would you do. It depends on what you mean by suspect so first of all acknowledged that there are a lot of state laws across the country and even international in in our international countries. That dictate. What you should do. For example in our state where we're at if an adult suspects abusive another child you have a responsibility to report to authorities and so that may be true in other states as well so learn your learn your state laws and in fact. We even provide undefended innocence. Some resources that direct you all the different states to know what state laws are The second thing is She'll lane mentioned the term earlier. Confront with kindness. You need to have the gumption to go in and ask the questions and have the conversation one thing. We do not recommend though with confronted with kindness. Is if you're pretty sure that someone's perpetrating. Don't confront the perpetrator. That's that's a high risk situation. And it's best if he left the authorities whether that's law enforcement child protective services or some other Authority address the perpetrator around the issue. That's great advice. We need to wrap up here. I really appreciate your time as i said. Do such noble work and this is some plate. This is an issue. That's very very very close to my heart. There may be some parents listening mothers or fathers out there listening going chief with you know. I'm worried about this. I appreciate what you've talked about. But how can i recognize if my child might have been abused if they hide it so much. So what are some of the signs that parents should look for. I would say you're gonna notice a change in behavior. maybe there are more irritable. Maybe they're avoiding you spending more time in their room. There can be a shift in their grades. You know a students are now getting d.'s. Like you've got to trust that intuition and in when you're having those feelings of like i wonder find a way to bring it up whether it's Going on our our website and looking for resources or some of those little videos to watch with them. But don't be afraid of your kids you you can avoid lifetime pain for them and for yourself by having these conversations and again it goes so much back to those open conversations that we have that dialogue that we're constantly talking with our kids that were becoming that safe place that they know that they can always talk to us. It's really difficult for a child. Who wants to protect somebody. They love to speak about something bad that that person did to them but the more educated we are the better we can empower our children. Yeah on the physical side. So sh- lane addressed a lot of the emotional signs on the physical. Sign some things to watch for as if your child's engaging in sexual activity that is very abnormal for their age for example a young child. That's five or six performing oral sex. That would not be normal. It's not normal right. That should be a huge red flag. That says they've learned that somewhere. I need to find out where other physical signs would be. Things like toward tattered or torn clothing. If they're those are signs of a struggle which can often occur in an abuse situation. Also if you notice anything especially when you're young children that are odd around there. Jim taylor so any type of discharge bleeding Things like that you would. You would want to get checked out by pediatrician immediately. And get them proper care because those things are are clear physical signs that something may have occurred. So you need to be looking. It isn't something that you just go. It screams at you. You have to really be looking and it's okay to look because i know to physically. It's hard to prove sexual abuse because often the perpetrators know how to do it without the child showing any kind of physical science i just said we have to wrap up but i have one more question. What role do you think that the media plays and pornography plays on grooming. Or what am i what am i looking for. Impacting men who are going to be abusers i would describe it as an accelerate most individuals that perpetrate against someone else actually experienced their early childhood trauma and it didn't get resolved and so what happens is the pornography or the hyper sexualize material that is produced and delivered through. The media becomes their coping mechanism for their own trauma and takes them down. Pass that lead them to maladaptive behaviors. Maladaptive interactions As as such as sexual abuse. so it's an accelerate It's like throwing gas on a fire and turning it into bonfire so we absolutely believe that things like pornography play a devastating role in child sexual abuse and may not be the cause of it but it certainly an accelerate. Now where where. That's a little different things like child pornography child pornography itself is sexual abuse in and of itself and but other types of pornography that it's not child pornography or certainly an accelerate and throwing the gas on the fire if you will and that is growing and growing in popularity. What about girls. What about the effect of media on girls. Because we're really hyper sexualizing. Both boys and girls. What effect do you think that. That has on the sexualization of girls. What effect does that have on their vulnerability in being abused or just not have any. I think it does absolutely have an effect on our our youth. We do live in a very over sexualize time and we can find all kinds of things everywhere. We go whether it's ads on tv or at the checkouts down of a grocery store. It's everywhere and i think that adds a lot of pressure to the youth girls and boys to think that they have to be a certain way to get attention and this may not apply to everybody but as a young woman. I wanted attention. You know i. I wanted attention from older guys or somebody i thought was cute or or whatever it was and there was a sense of pressure and i can't even imagine how how hard it is for for kids. Now it's so much harder now but you. You're conditioned to think a certain way that you have to behavior or address a certain way to get the kind of attention that you're seeking in that it just isn't the case you're you will get attention in some of those situations but you might find it. It's not really the attention that you really want. If you're seeking for valuable relationships that are centred in in love and commitment. You don't have to dress a certain way to get that you just really don't and we have such a high standard of what we're supposed to look like and it's not even real. The so many things are photoshop. They're they're touched up tweets end. It's just an impossible standard and people don't really really understand that and yet we're all using these filters to make ourselves look more appealing to other people and that's that whole dynamic is far more effective on younger girls than older girls because their their identity is forming. And the who am i. What should i look like the whenever. Ask teenagers girls. What are the two most of the two biggest pressures three biggest precious. You have the always say being thin enough insects. I need to be sexy. I need to be thin. And that's i mean across the board girls were getting straight as and they're going to go to university of michigan versus girls dropped out of high school. It doesn't matter. There's an important message with this. Megan we have to balance these messages. That this hyper sexualization of girls and boys but girls It's in their face everyday. we we never want a woman if she is abused to think that she brought it on and there's there's no room for that type of shaming girls. It's not her fault. It doesn't matter what she was wearing. It doesn't matter how she was presenting herself now. Those things can put a girl at higher risk. But it doesn't mean it's her fault that she was abused. So we have to balance those those conversations when we're talking with our girls well boys and girls but girls specifically have three daughters. And i get to have those conversations with them and it's a difficult balance as apparent but we've got to do our best and there again is a bright spot here that if is apparent will engage in conversations about sexual health with my child. Early and often and ongoing. It really is the anecdote to the hyper sexualization that they're being bombarded with in the media they can give them a place to look at what they're being bombarded with and say that's different than what dad taught me or they w- than what mom taught me. I see the difference. And i'm gonna let that go because i believe what mom and dad taught me so. Even though the media feels overwhelming it feels so big it feels so feels like this unmanageable monster. The reality is you can make a difference as a parent and if you're willing to have those conversations your children can put the media in its appropriate bought and say that's not real. That's not what it's expected. And that's not what i'm going to choose amen. You're absolutely right. Because parents have the power and i really do want to leave it on a positive note because it really can be a big factor in preventing sexual abuse of their kids. And because it once they realized that you know madonna or beyond say you know. I probably shouldn't say but but artis yeah they do have an influence but that influence pales in comparison to the influence that a a mom and a dad says so. I know that you have a great partnership with gab. And i don't know if you wanna tell people how they can get in contact with you how they can learn about the gab. Phone so Anybody that wants to get in contact with us can go right to defend innocent dot org and we are also on facebook and we have a team of people who were probably going to be overwhelmed by the responses. But we've got some really amazing people. They're answering questions or directing them to the person that cancer they go to that website. Here's what they're gonna find proactive. Parents can raise capable kids. And and they're gonna find the tools to make that happen referring to gab gab. Wireless dot com is where you can go. And any phones purchased through the affiliate network through gab wireless. That's where they get to donate ten dollars to to defend innocent so you cannot only have great piece of technology you can do good along the way right and i think that both doing gab and defend innocence works hand in glove. So important chalene maximal. Thanks so much. For joining me and chris boden. I really appreciate your time. And god bless you in the work that you're doing it's just really extraordinaire. Thank you as a pediatrician of loves kids. I thank you for the impact. You're having kids everywhere. Honored to be now onto my points to ponder one give when you hear of an organization like defend innocence working hard to prevent harm to children or perhaps another organization. That's working hard to change something else in society that you agree with give to them. Give them whatever you can your time. Your money or just encouragement. Nonprofit organizations like defend innocence. Depend on us so that they can keep going so look around for a nonprofit is doing work you believe in and send them money or even a letter of encouragement and if you can't find one or can support to organizations at once please consider giving to defend innocence as well they need us to serve the backbone of any good country is the people who love it and serve it. We are the ones who create social change. We're the ones who care for the less fortunate. We can't wait for others or even the government to step in and help. We must be the ones to do it. There's one more huge benefit to serving. It teaches our kids. What really matters kids who grow up learning that life isn't all about them. Develop a solid work ethic and compassion. So fine those around you who need help and ask your kids to help you as you meet. Their needs three pray. The late great apologist ravi zacharias said the biggest changes in life. Only come about through prayer. We don't dramatically change people by talking lecturing or even serving them. We must pray for them. Please pray for defend innocence if we really want to bring about enormous change we must pray. I challenge each of you. Who pray to pray more. If you pray regularly at five minutes your prototype if you've never prayed before and would like to try simply start talking to god you will begin to learn about and see things you never believe you could parents. I love answering your questions. So please keep sending them into me. I post them in my blogs. And sometimes i send them right back to you. You can always email me any parenting question to ask at meg meeker. Md dot com again. That's a meg. Meg meeker md dot com. I wanna thank chalene. 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#122 Max Field - Director & Cinematographer & YouTuber -BrianVee WhyWeWork

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#122 Max Field - Director & Cinematographer & YouTuber -BrianVee WhyWeWork

"Welcome to why we work with your host. Brian veep as he speaks to people. Like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations struggles joys seemingly missteps hopes warnings and advice. Which would be an encouragement to us all to get up. Get going and keep on. Working working stopped working good. Now here's your host to why we work trying to beat a bribe. The and this is why we were today. I had the great pleasure. Speaking with max field also known as s v n three sold brother number. Three max is a director cinematographer. He's into sound he has much. Talent is an influential youtuber. But today i wanna find out for max knowing that he wants to direct his own feature film. What is he doing. What is the process to reach that goal to reach that dream in what he's actively doing each day to achieve it. Join me today. My conversation with max field. Spn three umbrella v. and this is why we work today. I have the great pleasure. Speaking with max field aka. Sbn three day finds sir. How you doing. I'm doing doing well. Max will you do favor. And and you and i were just speaking just mentioned it but tell us the industry that you're in in what you're up to nowadays even though there's a cova going on maybe what you would normally be doing. If this wasn't the case generally what i do. Is i work in the entertainment industry sometimes the video production industry. I produce commercials infomercials documentaries Just got my first directed documentary distributed on amazon prime Earlier this year are no last year but then i sort of like half. My income is my own self reduce works which have gotten a fan dais of thousand people. i mean yeah disorder it. It's a lot of everything. But i say entertainment industry because that's just like nice blanket term but You know i do the creative end. And i also do a lot of the audio video technical end as well Which as i've sort of spoken with more and more people who know that av technical end somebody who also writes and directs that you know. Both of those together aren't super common. So i sorta fill the niche. Where i take care of everything for a company or a client. There's no doubt that you're talented. And i'd like to get into that. But can you bring us back max to maybe what would have been your very first job ever as as a pre teen or teenager first job ever see. That's the thing is that i started started super early. I started at seventeen years old. And so you know. I i didn't really. I didn't grow up in a rough enough situation where i had to get. A job is like a sixteen year. Old so i immediately went into a just immediately went into video production and just you know i i i get it for the first year. Kind of not really. Take it too seriously uploading. Whenever i felt like it you know trying to meet people emailing every now and then. But i mean as far in regards to to manual labor and stuff like that Because i started so early. And i tried so hard so early because i didn't want manual labor job. I've never had one of those manual labor jobs in terms of wages mcdonalds. And all that and within a couple of years by you know. And i was only able to do that because i was a teenager with no responsibilities you know i didn't you know eighteen. Nineteen didn't have school or i. I did college for a semester and dropped out because they weren't teaching me about video production at all. So i had to find out education myself and so i went after all that and but yeah by my early i would say like maybe twenty or twenty one so it. It took a couple years for sure but by twenty or twenty and also. I had the privilege of of not needing job as well. And that's something a lot of people don't mention but by twenty or twenty one. I was probably making more than a job at mcdonalds would have gotten me with a high school degree. That's all you can really get nowadays so allies like well. Okay mardi doing this i. I didn't want to spend money on that college. 'cause seeing how expensive it was even community college expensive in comparison to what i was actually learning pertaining to what i wanted to do in life so So yeah that's sort of. That's how i started off and youtube was a huge part of that. You mentioned the idea of have not having to work having the privilege not to work. But i think there's you may agree or disagree. The idea of having children work at twelve. Whatever i mean the legal-aid some people do eliminate stand or sell cards. Do a bunch of things there. There's also some value in that regardless of whether you're able to do it or you need to do it or you don't need to. Would you agree with that. Like having kids start to work and understand the value of dollar would you know work ethic and all of that comes with it so actually well then when you put it valet in that case i guess i was working doing other things as early as maybe fourteen. Where a big way. I made money still not really working. But a big way. I made money was And this was before video. Game collecting was huge. You know after twenty fourteen kind of boomed but In you know own nine two thousand ten i would. I would go up to kids in school and you know like the old nintendo sixty four's and stuff like that. I go up to him and i be you know and these kids you know. They want money for pot. Or whatever. So i go up to him and i'm like hey you got in sixty four with all the games i'll give you twenty bucks for it and they would like try to like you asked me like twenty five. I'm like okay twenty five and so they show up with a duffel bag and sixty four ten games. I flipped out for one hundred dollars on ebay. And so great is right. That's what this is the idea of. What starts you. What gets you going and some people think. Oh my my professional career job. It wasn't until i was twenty five. Starting know what was the thing that started you when you were a kid and what really got your your juices flowing. I mean so it's weird. It's the concept of. I mean how do i put it the concept like you said the value of a dollar. That was that was instilled Since maybe eleven my dad would always show me. He had a a couple of basketball cards and baseball cards. And he showed me and they were in the top loader. You know the hard plastic. And that's another thing i do like. So for instance hear like you see how the card is in the plastic there and to sleep in itself to yet pennies. Leave you and so like this is probably like maybe two thousand four might dad showing me this and he was like. Oh yeah this is worth a lot of money. Because i kept it and the reality is it was. It was a michael jordan basic car. Not a rookie. Not auto not not anything. So it worth a dollar but i you know like you. You sorta get tricked into it and then you know as a kid. I guess the first thing. I went into in terms of money looking price guides and all that was basketball cards you get beckett magazine And then like you know you get into yu-gi-oh and then all the money flipped there and so it was a lot of. I mean i'll be honest. It was a lot of manual labor. The only time. I really got into manual. Labor was when i realized i needed to light properly to make good looking images and then so you get into all the heavy equipment. The one k. tungsten. The you know the stuff that you'd see on like a real cinemas that so it's it's weird. I you know. I sort of was able to get the this is why it's strange like some people would would look at that as a very you know a lustrous privileged lifestyle and all this and you know to an extent. Yeah okay but i. I had plenty of friends. I knew plenty of people growing up who were eighteen. Nineteen no job not doing anything but playing video games all day and they had the exact same timeframe that i had to do what i set out to do. So you know it could go a million different ways but Now just the concept of of not showing up. Not you know waking up hitting the alarm clock at eight in the morning and groveling every day to to work or school or whatever. Like i wanted to avoid that so much. I had crippling insomnia. And i missed probably seventy days one year of high school and then the next year it was like you know another sixty five sixty and so like i saw. It's not that. I thought it was above a regular job but i thought i couldn't do it. I thought like i didn't have the body. Do what job is going to keep a guy who misses sixty days. They're gonna fire your ass. You know so. I i had i had to make a living based around. You know okay. Work a lot like i was. I was willing to work a lot. But i couldn't control when i would wake up or go to sleep because of that insomnia and i couldn't have access to sleeping pills too young for that. You know now. I can but You know it's it's stuff like that where you know that sort of how life works you know little quirks in your life sort of put you in the past year on today. There's a. I was reading something the other day at some sort of path that i think i appreciate the idea of just wondering how school system works the value in it and what they've been doing compared to what has been done years ago and i was reading someone any just mentioned the the value in playing which is obvious but it's not always obvious in a classroom and allowing kids to play kids. Get so busy. I live here in south korea. Where even my own children ten to fall on more the work side of things in it isn't play because they have school than they have after school academies than they have homework and then it's like where do we squeeze in playtime as a kid is some sort of thing that you enjoy doing wasn't just video games as like maybe seven to twelve or something was something that you played at a lot that you really enjoy something that you recall. Seven to twelve super at ascot ball. You know because. I was one of the taller kids. I'm sixty three now And so i went to a lot of camps like every summer i went to a basketball camp for about a month And so yes. Oh basketball idolizing you know michael jordan. I'm from dc. So so the icon is gilbert arenas and so that was washington dc. Hasn't sports star like that in fifteen years and that's why haven't changed so because you know a special about gilbert arenas is that. He wasn't drafted and forced to play there. He signed to us. You know so it was like that thing of like. Wow somebody actually chose to be in washington dc. Because that's where i'm from the dc beltway area and so and so it was. It was one of those things where i guess that's where you initially learn about Work ethic and practice and stuff like that maybe You see you know. The stories are kobe bryant And i thought the one silver lining of when kobe bryant died in the plane or now the the helicopter accident was. Would you know the average person outside of basketball fan would start looking into this guy and how amazing he was and like the level of preparation that went into everything he did and unfortunately that didn't really happen You know people still you know like the average girl or the average guy who likes video games. He was a good basketball player. Or whatever but you know so then. That's and that's what separated me amongst other film people an art people and stuff like that is that in the film and the arts. They don't talk about you. Know working back-to-back. Fourteen hour nights up till four. Am but in sports. They talk about that all the time they talk about grinding your body through this stuff and and working when sick and you know working regardless of the condition you know a guy again like kobe. Bryant this guy who's who's having muscle spasms in his back would cripple any other person and he goes out there to play because there's another good player on the other team and he's like oh it's gonna look really bad if i don't you know and these guys are partially psychotic you know. They're not like all the screws. Aren't there but at the same time like that's sometimes being crazy is what enables you to be great. You know like and so one of my fascinations willing on it started with you. Know you know. Kobe in jordan and guys like that and then moved onto to penn and teller to Gone to tiger woods to Let's see who was another one and this is gonna kill me. michael jackson. Oh my god. Michael jackson you know moved on to these guys and you would see a lot of similarities in the preparation. They did in the creative divergence they had But yeah i'm not sure if answers the question or a where you know no no. It's not at all where you played and and your motivation basketball and seeing in these individuals their work ethic which isn't always at the forefront of people's minds when they think of that particular craft so when you started to get into audio and video. When did you. I know you went to for took a few credits when you realize that wasn't for you. When did you realize this was for you in that you were getting some traction was hurt. You gotta pay day one day. Was you gotta like on a video. How did that transpire for you. So it's weird i was trying to make Because i saw youtube. And i saw that other people were making short films stuff like that. You guys like like me bad. thirty five. Like he's a throwback for anybody who was around back then but he was like oh eight youtube and that's the kind of. That's the part of youtube that i really romanticize And so you would see these guys. Make little comedy skits and so when i was like thirteen. That's when i first got a youtube summer of two thousand seven i was. I was trying to make a bunch of shorts with friends and stuff like that and so that was the initial sort. Okay shooting editing. You don't care about exposure you don't care about framing you don't care about what's this shot me you don't care about. Oh is the script gonna pay off later. You're just literally just trying to be funny with a camera and so it's it's kind of a you can make some very quick like that and you know you're able to just get something out of the weekend and it's all good and then a couple years later kind of you know. I kind of lost interest in it. I would still play around. But i wasn't really doing as much as i did when i was in middle school and then and then one day I was in. I think it was in marketing class a senior year. So so this is what maybe three or four years later and they're like everybody has to a movie trailer and so You know like everyone else. Marketing is a kind of a big slack off classic. Nobody really cares. And so everyone's like. Oh i don't know and i was like okay. I'll do it because no one else is gonna fuck so so i do it. We we shoot it. I go home. I take into edit. 'cause i had like real editing software. 'cause you know back in middle school so i take. It edited every other kids thing is trash. And i was the only person who actually showed up with like something that really resemble the movie trailer. And so you know you know. I didn't really care about seventeen. I was disinterested in everything. You know. Depression all this. And so i m i specifically remember. The marketing teacher was like he's like do you view videos like is that what you do. Is that what you wanna do for money. And i looked at my and said. I'll do anything for money and so they're like. Oh you shouldn't say that a you know so that that's what i saw was that but zip you mean they're saying you shouldn't say that but but seriously i will do whatever but us so So you know. I sort of took that and then It just got to a point where you know. It's it's one of those things where Okay every kid is just sort of brainwashed into thinking. Oh will you need to go to college and so on eighteen now. And i'm like okay. I guess i'll do the the media degree like my dad didn't really care like what he's just going to college so so i do that. And that mentality is screwing over so many kids today. At least in america i don't know how korea's by so okay so but yeah not so. Let's see. yeah so. I'm doing that. And that's sort of how a transition i remember. There was a there was a gap. It was between semester zoos between the winter and spring semester. And i was just after the spring semester and i finished math and i got another see i had probably a two point five in college after three college credits. And you know i i and i wasn't gonna start again until september or whenever the new semester started so it's twenty thirteen. I'm like okay. I'm gonna really take his youtube things seriously. And it was like one day. I just woke up and bed like march twenty thirteen hours like do i don't do i'm gonna turn into like one of these other losers i say on the internet all day so you know so. I'm literally producing too shorts a week every week. It's like one hundred to a hundred and ten hours a week not a single day off. Nothing and i'm just working for purpose. I'm just trying to see if i can get something to happen because you kind of at crossroads where it's like a lot of people go through this thing. I think it's interesting a lot. Most people have this thing where they're like. Oh we'll me in a year we'll figure it out. You know ten years figure it out you know people they sort of like you know stumbled through life like that and you know i made the decision like eighteen and a half rallies like i'm not going to be the guy who stumbles into it. I'm just going to do it. And i'm gonna you know i'm gonna try. And so beyond. I probably produce man. I probably produced like sixty videos. Like written edited shot directed videos in a year. And you know the sub count went from you know. Maybe it wasn't so big at first it was you know the cell count was maybe two thousand saabs to. I don't know like four thousand and that's it You know which is big for some but in terms of making money off youtube. That's nothing and so. I guess that's sort of the thing when you're really really trying at something you know. And and when. I teach workshops on youtube marketing. What i tell people is it's not like oh you do this this and that it will happen. You gotta consistently produce for two to three years and you are guaranteed to see some sort of movement you're guaranteed to have routine following and stuff like that but a lot of people can't get over that hump and again the only reason able to do that. There's people with jobs. People would responsibilities people with families. The only reason i could do that. I was a kid with no responsibilities and and i saw and i saw that i was able to do it. I didn't quit on it. I kept doing it. And then by the time it was time to re enroll for some credits in college was like screw that i'm done and so and now it's probably like you know september october after i produce maybe thirty videos and You know so so. That's sort of. That's sort of how it goes but but it's a risk the massive risk and you know for like three years. There was such anxiety over. Like did i make the right decision and after you get over that hump where you start seeing some of the dollars role in a you're like oh thank god. I didn't go in debt for that. Thank god you know college. Or whatever. Then i was also realizing as i learn more and more and i started taking workshops or i started teaching workshops Where colleges how do i put it. Where we're college students. Sometimes yale graduates ivy league graduates. Were showing up to learn about how to write a joke. How you know shoot shot. I would go over suffer like my professor. Didn't talk about this at all. They just talked about mrs on and they talked about all all this shit that nobody cares about If you're actually trying to work on a film set on a film said they want people they want people who can move heavy things. They want the guy who can light. They want the guy who can you know You know accurately focus a lens using the measurements and all that stuff. That's what they want. They don't want mr creative and what. I'm what i'm alluding to are. The blue collar jobs of cinema not brighter writer. Not the director the producer. The guy moving the light the guy who knows how to organize all that stuff. That's the majority of the jobs. People are looking for In cinema but also you know. But so i see that these these kids showing up. They don't know. I'm teaching all these things. That professor didn't teach I did a video on. Eighty are and how that goes. I'm getting. I'm getting end Universities are arizona state university That was one specific. Which is the highest attendance in the entire country. They're playing my video in their media. It's a good show you know and now thank you. So so twenty seventeen two thousand eighteen. And that's what. I realized just me doing whatever like me like riding by myself. Not waiting for someone else's curriculum. i i have. I have surpassed what is required of a degree just on my own but that happened because of constant insecurity that happened because you know even now like are are you like. Oh you're an expert. I still. I don't think i'm an expert because you always have to surround yourself with people way better than you or else. You're never going to get better. That's kind of how goes. Will i said this to you before we started. You speak so clearly and listening to that the the video that you just mentioned in any of your other ones you on their you sound like a wise old man just bring in truth to people that is applicable to this industry right and if people are not in the industry you may not be interested but you may enjoy your movies which you're funny right. You're writing this stuff as well. You you like you have this ability to right to speak to present and obviously with your editing and all that goes in behind the scenes as you mentioned about a basketball player or singers or whatever. There's a lot of work that you put into it. So you are in in for you to be. What are you twenty. Six twenty. Twenty six right to twenty-six six. At like i said a while ago. I'm i was in still emon idiot but i was an idiot at twenty six and for you to be thinking like i got put in this time because i don't have this responsibility. I don't have those things to do. And i'm going to do this now while i can right like there is a saying. I think you know put in while the i dunno. It's not raining or whatever it is. What i say is what i say is if you don't do it now it'll never happen. That's what i say in that works. I like it and that's what you're doing and so i commend you for what you're doing in so i heard you say that your your your goal. You may not have used dreamer goal but your aspiration is to direct your own feature film. Would that be accurate to an extent. And i do it here and there little bits like i'm producing a video game right now. That's the length of two feature films But still not you know. It's not that shooting. You know it's not. It's not what i wanna do. Which is you know like the classic american film. I wanna make you wanna make the next not even like not even like citizen kane. Like i'm not really into that stuff. Like i'm into like josie and the pussycats account two thousand and one. I love that movie. You know i. I like not another teen movie like i like. I like all the stuff that was on comedy. Central that everyone said. Oh yeah it sucks but me and my friends. We watch and we're like do this. Great you know blake and you know like you know. Kevin smith movies and spike lee movies. You know stuff like that stuff into so. What does this look like you. What does this look like for you to be where you are now and to be young too. You know you're exercising. You're working out on the side. You're doing all that you need to do to gain that experience to gain the knowledge you say. You're not an expert but you're driving to be. What does that process. Look like for you to get to the opportunity to direct your own feature film in. What are you doing to attain that Talking with an investor in singapore. Right now i might get some good money to do an animated pilot Doing animations okay. Because i sure as hell there's no way we can get the money together to live action pilot because god is too much money and too much organizing and hotels and all that but you know through doing that work it you know it gone my talents out there and so you would meet people who meet through the youtube one time. I didn't animated pilot for someone that paid. You know a couple of thousand dollars. They put it up Wherever they were trying to shop at the net flicks you know But the reality is that everybody needs a big break. Everybody needs a lucky break. You know that that's just of how it goes and you're waiting for that one connection the you know you have a network of people if one of them gets a tv deal. I know that they're gonna call me to do audio. I know that they're going to to write jokes. They might call me to act you know. and so. that's a big thing like creating this this tightly woven web of people you see okay if one of us take off raw gonna take off and Need out it's sort of. But but the i mean the reality is is that unless unless someone comes through and and you know gives a blank check or someone comes through and says hey i spotted this and i wanna put you on unless somebody says that i am never going to be the star. People think this work ethic would lead to And that's that's the unfortunate reality And so i'm first generation entertainment. I don't i didn't have a single connection any of this when i started and so You know so. That's that's kind of thing. I- nepotism has only worked for me one time and that was doing an infomercial where i was underpaid To go all the way up to new hampshire to do a infomercial for An uncle geology company at. But that's you know that that's that's pretty much the only time that hasn't really worked for me. And so you know you kind of develop a thing against second-generation entertainment people you know you see people talk about how talented bill yellowish is or whoever and i'm like dude like her role families in the music industry. I could have easily done that. You know i do. I if you know if my dad was howard stern i would have been the next howard stern. You know like that's just that's kind of how it goes and so but now but you really respect the the first generation entertainment people. You really respect a kevin smith who maxed out three credit cards at twenty seven thousand two producers first feature. You know that game. I mentioned earlier. I'm probably ten twelve thousand in the whole for that and know. I'm i'm just trying to make it happen. But you know you gotta you gotta be smart with money you know you. Can't you can't wasted on a new car. You can't wasted on anything. There is a while memorabilia and stuff like that as you might seen and some of the videos But there was there was a three year. Stretch were barely spend any money. I didn't buy new clothes. I didn't buy anything for leisure at all And i didn't. I didn't start spending anything until i was making. You know you know not well under the five figures let's say and so You know but but that's but that's the unfortunate thing that everybody has to know going into it is that you know your talent might lead to a connection but you gotta understand. You're not gonna pop off like a superstar. You're not gonna pop off until the machine is behind you and a lot of your videos. You have things that have personal meaning to you. That other people would not really understand unless they knew you better. I see you have. Kfc chicken in there a lot is. Is this a personal faith. Is i saw with your your fred and bernie the bucket now. I mean that was just a thing. I mean i i i prefer popeye's more popeye's. Have you ever tried korean chicken. Do you have that not in your area. All no no. No korean fried chicken and chicken is delicious. Just so you know they do. I out sauce. I oh it's delicious. I am a very lower middle-class american raise sort of kid on my palate is very american the only east asian food i can eat is sarkouh japan and the food court as i can do. I'm sorry i know crean chicken. They stole the idea from north america. So it's not it's not like asian chicken spicy crispy. And i think it gives a good run for the money to any other chicken plant in my personal opinion. Do you have a script that you if someone offers you one day. Maybe maybe give a try. It's delicious believe me. I lived in korea for eleven years. They have some pretty delicious food But also some food. That i stay away very far away from but the chicken is just. It's a fried fried chicken with. Swindon comes spicier sauce Do you have a script that you that you have prepared and ready for an opportunity for feature film For a pilot yes for feature film. No one of the the the dub feature thing that i made tastes closed So it's an hour long one of the one of the things i did. When writing that was. I avoided because it was footage used from something else but what i avoided i avoided any character referring to each other by name. And so i have all the audio and all the writing done for a project and so if somebody came along i could technically produce that the right way i can produce out the right way and have a completely free copyright. You know somebody says oh. Put up You know two hundred and fifty thousand to get this animated. That's technically my first feature. You know not legit. Like i can. I can sell that to somebody. I can distribute on netflix I've talked to pay for about ten songs. Be licensed without audio but You know But then i have a pilot's script that's a. That's a twenty two minute things like a gen z seinfeld and so i got that registered by A for twenty five bucks. So i mean yeah so no. Let's hope nobody steals that. When i catch it around but yeah i. It's unfortunate like the only way people will listen to a pitch meeting as if they're a fan of you or you know you have a rich uncle you know But yeah speaking of work ethic. Think maybe you can talk about. Maybe your methodology. The reason why you're doing it. But i heard you're not you have a good for your youtube channel. But you're not making a significant amount of money in your words but you mentioned a moment ago half or something but you're making some money there but that's not the sole purpose of why you're doing it but you're you put so much time into that. So what is your reasoning for that. That interview was a bit dated. It was pretty cove it and pre-release it a thing. The so what happened was is that that tastes close feature that long feature gets taken down for copyright on youtube so It be put up on a on a patriot. And i and i like a bunch of people came on and now the patriots numbers probably triple overnight and so we get that and then you know from from you know small amount You know but it triples overnight and now it's now it's actually like you know. Make it a good chunk of money. It was the highest numbers. I had in the history of the patron then so a couple of months goes by and then i was like what if i made a trailer for this. You know because it's a feature you know because for the longest time. I was so against making a trailer for for something for a short. Because it's corny. It's like just walked the short it. You know it's only you know. It's only eight times longer than the trailer. But now i had an hour long thing so i was like okay. Let's make a trailer for it. And i put that trailer out. And what went from tripling so it was tripled then it tripled again and now it's making like some you know passable money and so that's why i said half now is because now. It's change the vhs tapes 'cause 'cause we had two features were produced physical. Vhs tapes and initially people will get those for thirty bucks thirty bucks back. Can you explain your reasoning for the vhs tapes as well bootleg culture vhs tapes. It's initially. We did vhs tape because We i did pok mon one of those movies and initially We would we would take scenes. Poke on we'd put in modern hip hop and modern r&b and we had we knew a guy who could who could convert things to vhs. Get them recorded on a vhs. Put it in a tape player and bring it back with all the coloration and i. I did it with the credit sequence of the first pokemon movie. We were like this vibe. We were like oh my god. This is cool then. I'm talking to a couple of people and they're like we should get some money together and do the whole thing and so so we did that. We i mean we only got like a thousand bucks together just to produce. Not you know not profit But we said as an incentive of you give this much you'll get hate mail you when it's out and so we produce vhs tapes the whole cover and then we also did that. Keep in tradition. We did that with the other. One tastes close which came out three years later. And so now on the second hand market because hayes close got so big people initially got those for thirty I was seeing people. Sell 'em for hundred twenty hundred and fifty two hundred and so it became. It became this thing where it was a for the longest time i was so into collectibles into you know yukio in christine aguilera michael jordan and all this stuff and all this keep the condition. Good and now. I'm making the things where people are like. Oh yeah i gotta drop to hundred on that. It's an investment it on so so that was really interesting. People people wanted me to sign it and it was a thing where it was like. It was a thing where it was like. How do i put it. I never practiced my signature as a kid. I i knew all these kids in school. Who would practice their signature. And i'm like you were a pretentious asshole. Doing what he wants that. And so i never did it but now like my signature looks hideous when i do so now i have to start thinking about that. And so it's it's weird. How stuff like that comes full circle but yeah. I had to sign a couple. The sign loans are worth more obviously than the regular ones. But now like i had a couple of friends that are like damn. I paid thirty one hundred dollars. This is this is the best return i ever got on backing projects. You know so But yeah that's what. I liked what i liked about what you said in what was true for you is from youtube itself. You weren't making as much money as you were with your blue collar job or working in the lights and editing and all the other work that you were doing which but you were still putting in the effort which i thought that was analogous to people who want to follow a dream wanna follow something they wanna do something and they might have to put in that time in not get see that. Return right away in for you. It seemed like you were getting your name out there. There is there was a purpose behind it. Wasn't i'm not gonna make money. And i'm happy with that but you're getting your your product out there but at the same time you're getting exposure and i just the idea of people putting in that effort even though they may not see the fruits of their labor right away. A lot of people can't get over creatively and it's kinda sad you know it's you know you have to work a lot of people you gotta work for free and cheap sometimes especially for your own stuff and you know people i see so many people just talk themselves out of it constantly as it's like. Okay well. I guess you don't wanna do that like it's not like a. We lost great talent. It's like no like you gotta have if you're gonna be a great talent. You've got to have that mentality of. I'm gonna work it. I'm going to work for. It was a business day. One for me. A lot of people stumble into it. A lot of people. Just make something randomly. Oh it's viral thing you know. I had made so many hours of content before stuff i was doing was getting clipped out going viral instagram facebook. All that stuff it was. It was a multi year process and You know seventy sixers had a trust the process where they're tanking and everything's going horribly. They're not winning but they're trying to get those draft picks and now they're like a really good team because they trust the process. Same thing with this. You've got to trust the process you have to. You have to be you know working at the most important thing in the world if you want it to be the most important thing in the world regardless of who's watching regardless of who seeing it and so that that's a lot of people don't see You know even people with production budgets. You run into some lucky stuff. Like i'll explain to other people. Were trying to do music stuff. Or whatever i'm like you got apple. Three mix tapes a year dude. Three which is about forty songs. Even that you know. I i saw there is a there is a. There's a hip hop artist named x and He he was really big in the you know the late. Two thousands early twenty tens. He had a project called forty days. Forty nights where he uploaded tucson's a day every day for forty days and so i saw that at eighteen and i'm like well dan. I got to try to do something like that. And so you know it. Stuff like that and What is your your hand in music. I i went on sound Soundcloud and Some of that music is great. I mean all. I heard was great. What what is your hand in that. Are you writing. You're producing i mean. Sometimes you know hip hop you're gonna take some beats a couple of times some stuff. I produced myself In terms of just the instrumental some stuff A friend will show up. A lot of it is pretty much sampling It depends on the track but but as far as recording and writing and mixing during the final mix master. That's all me your multi-talented do you have any advice. For people. Thinking of buying games From kids for twenty twenty five bucks when you're in middle school or even changing your job right got a little. You're changing positions doing different jobs. Do you have any advice for people who are getting into work one way or another the first job of their second job. No have sorry. I know you word it. Sorry know. it's it's good. No i don't have any go get a job if you want. I mean again. I mean there are a lot of people again. I reiterate this. It's not. I didn't waste my privilege that that's the way i look at it. It's not like i came from absolutely nothing. And i pulled myself up by boost wraps like i can't. That's that's not honest. Like i can't project this reality that like oh i was working two jobs and i did youtube on the side but you know i was awake Twenty hours a day. I can't. I don't want to sell anyone that fantasy. You know. there are people where you know. They're they're in poverty situation and they have to work two jobs and thirty six. They have to drop out of high school. If someone's in that situation they probably can't do what i did you know. And so. that's what i but at the same time. Like i know so many rich kids who you know. Just screw around all the time you know and then they hit you up like you know ten years later after high school who grew. Who'd you do the you know. And it's like dude. You wasted your privilege. Your parents had more money than mine. And so that's kind of the thing. Like like i saw and recognize the the the opportunity and the privilege at a very young age. Recognize a lot of things in a very young age when i was When i was fourteen or fifteen. I realize i'm never going to see these kids in high school again. I will after graduation. I will never see kids. So all i did was screw with people for the last three. 'cause i knew it wouldn't matter none of it would matter. It still hasn't come back to me. And i was always sort of you know like it's whatever like you gotta you gotta see stuff before everybody else does with the video game stuff. You know i was doing that in twenty ten collecting video games and flipping them and sixty four stuff. That didn't become a concept until like a widespread concepts until maybe two thousand thirteen fourteen once. Remember the ninety s and all that stuff started happening. You mentioned that you're not an expert. But what is a skill that you are working on to help you become the director that you hope to be an also. What sort of skill is absolutely necessary in the entertainment industry that you've seen so far. There's a lot of skills necessary to derail off a couple. Communication is key adaptability and just like the work ethic to block out pain and block out annoyance and block out this that persistence One thing i heard was emotional. Oh south empathy. That was another thing. I heard in terms of even if something isn't so good you can't beat yourself. You have to have short term memory loss of all the bad stuff and you gotta keep on An end but the thing is was unique about me is there are a lot of guys. Who are you know. Writer director people. It's it's hard to find a writer director guy who knows more about the technical end of cinema and that sorta that's was able to separate myself and really you know and be able to make high quality content and be able to teach others is because i just wanted to learn all filmmaking like so you want to be a director you know it's not just open learn how to write and direct in like think scenes and all that i ll word every part of the process. Another part is like never thinking. You're above learning something never thinking you know so i wanted to learn. How do they do audio. I wanted to learn. What kind of lights are they using. Not even how do i light something. What kind of lights are they using. That was impossible to figure out. You know five years ago because there wasn't like a million youtube videos on it you know how they are not five years say more like seven years ago but there is a million i was trying to light stands. Do they use. What's the real stuff. How do we get over headlights. What's a speed rail. What's you know you know. What our sandbags for apple box. How do we get a camera. Angled low how to. How do they get the camera to move so smoothly. How do they How do they make that. That live right here. Some of them might ask. How does he get the light to look like that. You know like just just all this stuff and a lot of it is it's kind of like mock apprenticeship where I got to knowing how to find the information yourself. I'd say that's another big skill but in terms of what i'm trying to figure out i don't know like it's it's it's been such a grind and you start you know so many people tell you you're ready you're ready over and over and over again to the point where it's like you know. I know there's still a lot. I don't know but it's it's trying to get to that level in two thousand sixteen all i knew how to do maybe shoot with dsl. Lar- use a couple led lights kinda kinda. Okay kinda lame. It wasn't so great. I didn't really know a lot about coloring. And stuff. Like that. And i hit a wall where i would try to hit people who are in film school. Hey do you know this. They didn't know it Cameras are they using. You know what. What is hollywood all the stuff and then i joined a cinematography for him. That had people who made movies i had actually heard of. I think of how many people say they're in film. Oh the only thing that'll do you know so but i was encountering people who made movies that i had heard of the had a talent you know and so i had this. Do knowledge. resource are this new resource of knowledge. And the big thing that prevented people from also pursuing that in my age group. Nobody wants to use a forum anymore. A forum is old school form. Lame i want to watch a youtube video. A lot of the guys busy and working don't have time to make videos. You gotta go where it's convenient for them to express their thoughts and ideologies and stuff like that and then from twenty sixteen to two thousand eighteen. That was a boom of knowledge. That that's where i i learned more in that phase than any other part point at time. And you know you. I i call up guys i wanted to learn about the sony. Cine alta cameras. Which were the cameras. They shot spy kids and star wars episode to episode three and some other early two thousand films and there was a guy via and i was like. Hey you wanna can you get on skype and explain this to me. And he's like mugabe and so you talk to this guy and you really try to focus. And he you know he has maybe a thick accent but he's really taken the time so you really trying to learn and that's kinda. The problem is like a lot of people. A lot of people say they want it. A lot of people say they want to do x y and z. But your knowledge really shows how much you actually want it to me And so it's and people are like why are you so mean people are starting out blah blah blah and. I'm like i'm seeing people doing longer than i have. That don't know x. y. z. So don't don't tell me i'm being mean you know like it's it's just one of those things is a and i'm not saying you seem like this is free but patience is a patience for you something that you need to work on because you're young and people are even though people are telling you you're ready but you're not given that chance yet is is patients one of those things that are kind of nine at you. Maybe i'm trying to. I guess the big thing i'm trying to do is i'm trying to not. I don't want to turn thirty without a single big credit to my name. I don't want to do that and so not only was success big. I wanted success young. I still want success. I wanna be a young successful guy. I want to stand out in that way. And because because i thought about Thinking about lebron james and how he came out he came out of a to the nba high school and he's eighteen years old. He's getting triple doubles wild stuff. And he's like immediately the biggest ever. I saw that at ten. And i was like wow you know. I want to try to do something like that. And so but what. I'm learning now is that you can't be a twenty year old entertainer without a rich family member without someone in the industry already. You know kind of you along unless it's you know maybe unless it's maybe hip hop or something like that where there's always people scouting and so on and so forth but even then there's a lot of nepotism and hip hop but but yeah you mentioned by thirty you know having your your name somewhere on a feature of some sort. What is your overarching goal. What would you like. Would you like an academy award would you. What are you hoping for mean. The funny thing is and i heard this set of you. Is that your found. It very difficult to find a pitch review let alone d- video right so it doesn't seem like you're looking for the spotlight but you also want the recognition like anyone else for the the hard work they put in so to say you know. I want an award. I wanna be up there. I don't think that's really your cup of tea. I think you're you're wanting to do the work and for people to appreciate what you do so. Do you have an overarching goal in might be a feature film but it might be ten of them. It might be a whole series of things it's you know at first. It was filmmaking. That's what i knew. I had a skill in. And you know i didn't do what i loved. I did what. I was good at going. All the way back to that marketing class and You know. I don't really put my face out there. We'll one because No one else knows how to work the camera. So i'm always behind it so you know you can't really and i'm a perfectionist. I always have to be in the viewfinder. I need to know what's happening at all times. You know like videos were on camera for my friends and the framing is kinda bad but you know that's not going out public so it's fine but in terms of i mean it's it's not that i'm worried about. You're the first person ever asked to show on camera. You're you're the first person ask honestly. So so. That's why i showed up sorry and so it's blur my face out anyway. So so there's that. But what i would say is sick the overarching goal. I mean this is another part of the reason. I don't put my face on camera and take cell fees and all that like i've been very low sense of vanity like i don't think i'm just like attractive. God i think that people should only not put a slight on anybody but like i only think people like you gotta be really photogenic to always put yourself on camera. That's just me. I'm not trying to project that onto anyone else You know like so so so you you like you work with a couple of models and It's like yeah. Well that's your job. You're supposed to be on camera. I'm not supposed to be on you know. It's like that separation but in terms of interns overarching goal. I mean like. I don't wanna get recognized in the street for some youtube videos. S does not you know. That's that's not lane it's like. Oh hey he did this thing and everyone's around like what the hell is he talking about. You know like if i'm going to be. If i'm gonna people are gonna come up to me. I wanted to be for something. That's like actually oh net flicks oh fox. Abc like a dinky youtube video with one. Hundred thousand hits. That's whatever to me. And so but the overarching goal is pretty much what i'm doing right now But with with more money to play with and more and more connections and more i guess more recognition As time goes on. I realize how rare it is to be a multimedia artists and actually get money doing it You know a youtube or not. Oh hey. I'm going to blog today to stream today. The legitimately like doing a craft and having a bunch of people on it and doing multifaceted craft not a one trick pony the more i see the more i realize how hard that is You know and i. It's always just come naturally. I've always wanted to do everything but the reason why i put so much stuff out there. I don't know what's going to pop off. And so it's just i think about howard. Stern howard stern everything. He was the king of all media right now as his tagline and he made a movie it did well. He did a book. It was the best preordered book in history. Obviously his radio show he did a tv. Show that everybody liked King of all media. And so. Like like i. I see that as like well. Let's try to be the king of new media. Let's try to be on youtube. Be great and video games. Be great in podcasting be great in in twitter and all this stuff at so. That's sort of what i Do i put it that. Sort of what i I look at their But yeah what you're striving for. I mean it's it's admirable. I mean it's not you don't wanna be one shot sensation you want to be recognized and it's not for something frivolous it's for the hard work that you're obviously doing and what you will do in the future max. Is there anything. People may not understand about you. or or the entertainment industry in particular that. If they understood this they would have a better appreciation of you in the work that you do in entertainment. I would say and it's not. I like how you worded that. Because i would say whether it's me you know sometimes people don't like the way that i go about things or the way that i talk Whether it's me or whether it's kanye west whether it's howard stern whether it's like any where it's michael jackson whether it's any big entertainer like you got to understand that the guy who can go up on stage every have all the is on them and be able to constantly produce and stay in their mindset and stay their workflow and be able to handle that you have to be different you can't you can't be like everybody else you can not be. Michael jackson definitely was like everybody else. You know you cannot be like everyone else. And that's you know and and some people appreciate that but but most people do not most people. Don't you know like that's that's what sort of annoys me. And sorta i get into little people say. I'm very competitive for for no good reason with certain things. But they're like you know. I'll say like like entertainment like kind of like this and some people roll their eyes. Like oh ya and it's like. I mean you could do that. If i only had like two viewers video and nobody cared who the hell. I was like a lot of people who i am. You know and you know. It wasn't like that. When i first started it and a lot of people can't see the light at the end of the tunnel and so it's just one of those things you got to accept that entertainers are going to be different and entertainers are. I should say successful entertainers. Maybe somebody who's seen some success in some money some recognition but entertainers gotta be You know you gotta understand. They're wired differently and was another thing with that. Tam hold on. Sorry having a bad dragging you onto no. It's as you think about it. Just it's right right like even an athlete has to be different but people that are doing these particular industries no matter what job it is right if you're talking about the garbage man if you're talking about the president of the united states these people are doing. These jobs are different than most other people because most other people aren't doing those particular jobs in is no different than it is for the entertainment industry. You might be a little different from. I mean like makeup of who that person is in what they're doing but the individual skills and talents The personality would ever goes in only certain. Not everyone can do this job or that job. It doesn't matter what job it is is. There's different skill sets that don't match other people's in for other people to understand it you'd have to have an appreciation that they are suited for that particular job the more you refine and define it. It's there's there's sharp contrast in with these different industries but not everyone can do these jobs and for what you're doing not everyone can do. You can do and appreciate what you do is is what you're asking because you're there to entertain to right you look at athletes as well. It's your there to entertain. It's like comedy. I've gained a great appreciation of comedy because comedians are going up there to make you laugh so china to be the fool in the back. Who who's criticizing the guy who's up there. He's laying everything out a girl laying everything out there to entertain you in putting hours and hours years years decades of work in into this particular act so have an appreciation. The just listen to the show. That's now that's not. That's a big thing in terms of it's the let's see you mentality. It's like oh you think i'm so bad. Let's say you do it. You know and that's something i've always gone by the thing. I just remembered That i missed out last time. Is that the reason why. I made the differentiation between something like a garbage man and entertainer is. There is such a low success rate for entertainment. And so i'd say the big thing that people don't understand when when like you know an entertainer tweets about something like oh that's weird that's different you know. Oh well we'll you're not considering numbers and statistics and all this stuff and it's like you gotta think there was less than one percent chance that i would do this. So if you're that person who managed to beat those odds other statistics don't they mean less to you. You know what i mean and so if you know it's like oh it was only a twenty percent chance that a lot of people are telling me with the game on producing now. There's only a twenty percent chance those all less than five percent chance and i'm like there was less than one percent chance that that you know. Fifty thousand sixty thousand people would would would look at what i do you know. Think about think about kanye west where it's like you know. Ten different record labels turned down than the first album begets. It's a huge hit. And he's like a big star now and like you know four or five and so you gotta think like like i don when comedy goes off on on some things. Some wild tangent. I don't i don't blame him. Like everybody told this guy or what he has the bravado or the ego or whatever. Everybody told this guy he wouldn't be anything and you know i can understand how somebody has. This sort of you know. Borderline god complex. Because it's like you know people told you for so long it would be nothing and then you show up you prove everybody wrong and so now it's like kinda go through life like you know everybody you know it's like russell west coast thing westbrook when What is it adam. As smith see stephen as stephen smith commented on him and he said i'm not into for the championships do know my life. You have no idea. that's i stay quiet about them and just stay in my lane. Do my job. Because i know what i'm doing absolutely i think part of it got lost in translation a little bit between steven a. and russell westbrook. Because it's strictly talking basketball. I i feel like stephen agrees with everything. Westbrook said from the standpoint of like these guys do need to be appreciated that they are able to come some of them came from very rough hoods and they were able to generate this multigenerational wealth and so so. Yeah that absolutely has to be acknowledged i think about it more in terms of you know not just athletes but i think about it in terms of popstars. I think about in terms of like you know you. You're taken seventeen year old girls and now they're the main breadwinner of their family and they do twenty million in one year and and all this stuff and so appreciating gotten any facet. Not just what you're into. You know what i mean like. I appreciate it. If again develop does that. I appreciate it if a singer does that. I appreciate it running. As long as you're not scamming people doing anything like that. You know i appreciate it on all facets if you were able to to be the guy to break the haunt you know. I generate first generation. I'm gonna make that very clear if you are first generation me and you're able to do that. I have a couple more questions for your max and this one in terms of adversity. You mentioned that you had a pretty good growing up but you suffer from sleep insomnia. Is there any adversity that you have faced that you use to encourage you. You work in might hinder you at times. But it motivate you as well. And how would you motivate other people in the adversity that they face you can't you can't use things like you can't find a excuses. I guess like or something bad happens to you you. You can't use it as an excuse. You got to use it as some form of a fuel. I guess our criticism and that's a big thing was sports do like using now. What time. I saw a guy. I don't know they were like they said. Oh you should never pursue success out of spite. That's just wrong. And i'm like litter shaquille o'neal russell westbrook have always said that. They've always said oh. I'm going to remember this guy's name that guy's name okay. Let's prove all these people wrong and that was sort of like me. You know i. I can't tell you how many people personally said to my face. This is gonna be nothing you know. I had an aunt. Well she's divorced now. She's not in the family anymore. She's not my aunt fucker. But i remember we're in the car you at. She was a professor at a university and all that she did some major that nobody cares about and so she's asked me in the car and she's like. Oh hey max. I've got a great idea. Because you knew i was trying to do the video thing and it was. You know it was out. It was maybe a couple of months into my youtube hair. And she's like. I have a great. What if you got a computer science degree and you do the video thing for fun. I looked at her. I said i don't want to be a computer scientist. I'm not some nerd. Screw that it was not not to say no. I think science is important programming. And all that i think is very important but it just wasn't for me that's the point and so you know so that the writing bill that will tell me. Oh we'll We'll my family member. Oh my god it was so they would talk to some random producer. This the other thing colleges meaning has entirely evaporated from what it was in one thousand nine hundred eighty one And so it's It's this thing where i will I was talking to this this producer. And this is gonna go back into the adversity thing. You said But they'll be like talking to this producer who produced nothing you've ever heard of. And she said that the four year experience for filmmakers very important in college and because it gives you it makes you well rounded gives you life experience and and all this stuff and it's like dude i saw i can't tell you how much life experience you have just like. Just watching. a homeless guy smoked crack. That dude that is like a world of what the hell is going on. You know what you are. A couple months ago. I was on. I was on the new york city subway. there was a homeless woman just pissing on the train. Dude that is more experienced. Any college will ever give you for real likely that that is the well rounded thing i get it i get why they say it. Okay you got an experience. A lotta arts you gotta develop yourself and they think that college is going to curate that for you. That's what she meant by that. And that's what i know now. But i was able to curate that for myself. Maybe other people aren't the thing with adversity especially with comedy because we were talking about comedy earlier. Is that all the weird shit that happens to you. you know. that's where a lot of your jokes are gonna come from. Your brain has to be broken to be funny. You have to be you have to be so like mashed ahead with awful experiences in wild thing do. The police showed up to my house at least ten times. When i was growing up over some domestic dispute i saw so much crazy. Shit you know and so it was a i remember. One time i was twelve years old it down the street. Us ac playing with a friend and His cousin shows cousins s. thirteen. It's skyla covered in tattoos. And you know. I'm like twelve years old. Mike this doughy twelve year old kid. I hope i don't do too well. He might get mad. Shoot me you know like like all this stuff you know and It was like. I saw a lot of stuff growing up and a lot of people who try to pursue the arts who came from a middle class to upper middle class neighborhood. They didn't see any wild stuff and to your point with adversity adversity. Seeing that wild stuff. Let's say that's the university. That's what really fuels you. That's what's going to make your creative juices work and so you know. But that's that's just kinda don't use them as i don't don't use it. Excuses use it. Use it as fuel. The reality is like i can't think of a single funny comedian. Who didn't have a an insane weird you know after childhood. I can't think of one. Because i look at all these guys stories. It was something strange. It was something where they're experiencing the world different from other people. You know all this stuff you know. I had a time. I put a poll on twitter. That was when you were a kid. Did child protective services. Show up to your house. More than twice ninety percent of people said no. I was like damn. It happened like four times for me. What the hell. It's it's all stop but you know it. We're in this. Were definitely in this twitter. instagram self. Psychology era were. We tell ourselves that things happen to your childhood. Your helpless helpless. And it's like that's so soft. Especially you know not to get too racial. But like like like i i talked to. You know i'll say like it. I talked to a lot of white kids from really nice neighborhoods and these are the saddest people i know. These are the status Ambitious people that i meet you know kids. I don't know how older generations are but like he's john's ears like oh well i read. I read a post on instagram. That said because this happened to me. I have i d and depression blah blah blah. And so you know it's like we we're in this era for jen's ears of like self diagnosing your problems and finding confirmation bias for why you're a quitter and that's what i that's what i hate. I absolutely hate. And it's you know. And that's what i say like i have a diverse audience. And that's what you see. Like when i when i go on a stream and i say i'm trying to be a millionaire. You know the white kids are like. Oh that's weird he's arrogant. He's that the black and mexicans are like me too so you start with less you pursue more start with less pursue more so That's sort of how. I've seen a broken down. Well it's funny. Because i think a lot of people would say that they're seeing that sort of occurrence with younger people but hearing you at twenty six. I think there's a there is a glimmer of hope for our future knowing that not all kids are thinking like that that your kid at twenty six but being young enough to realize in having your hand not too far away from your teens and almost into your thirties knowing you have a really good perspective on life is what i believe. Thank you therapists disagree. But that's how he likes therapist. I mean well no see. It's interesting because a couple years ago. I was getting really into psychology and i was trying to talk to you not therapists psychologists and. I was trying to talk to them. You know people that i knew through university connections and i'll try to talk to them about motivating other people because that's huge. You think about michael jordan. The thing they said is he made everyone around them. Better house trying to learn. Is you know it might seem a tad manipulative. But i was trying to see. How do i manage talent. How do i get people to do the right thing for them. And do the right thing for the greater good of the group you know and and and you look into a lot of that but on and so i would say some theories. Sometimes they confirm them sometimes. They deny like. I talked to professors to verify of my ass. I go to people and talk and ask before. I say things publicly and one time mistake before. I got the psychologists connection. I talked with therapists and i was like. Hey i'll give you fifty bucks fifty bucks. Just don't talk to me like a patient. Just i'm i have these questions about how the human mind works. Talk to me immediately. They're in their playbook. Oh how does that make you feel. I'm like i'm asking you like you know as that whole thing where it's like it's like dude just like don't talk like and i knew what she was doing. You know but one thing. I said to me was remember therapists aren't doctors. Therapists are not scientists so that was a big thing but now but now this lady she was trying to say. Oh this is wrong with you. you know There is we had a big disagreement. On what makes a human being mowder and and she's like oh so so. You work so hard like i work hard because that's what you have to do like you've got to work. We've been working since the beginning of time. And like i say to her. I'm like some guy who you know just like lives office. Parent's money sits in bed all day. Playing video games consuming consuming consuming consuming not doing anything. Not impacting anyone else's life like i'm sorry explain to me how he matters explained to me. You know and so. Because i'm busting my ass here trying to do this. You're trying to tell me that this guy's on the same level of me like sorry and that's where the competitive sorta thing comes out and a lot of people consider that screwed up. But i'm just like dude like i'm busting my ass and you're gonna tell me. Oh yeah he's just as good as you know sorry like is not how it works to me anyway and so yeah i think as a good director because that's like a manager right is in my wrong in a kind of standing. What director does but that'd be similar to business manager of sorts so a manager. Okay so and i tried management. I attended management. Buddy was hard to find people because he got today. When you're a manager you work for them when you were director of work for you. That's kind of the core difference there and so you know when you're a director. They're only there for a project for a manager. You're there for their career. And so i. I could have all the great advice and all that but not the end of the day you know there are similar skills. Absolutely you you. You'd be right but sort of With the management thing and again. That's that's why. I said the suburban kids. You know you'd find you girl who gets likes and she's inconsistent and all this stuff and i'm like dude i could. I could get you to quit your day job in eighteen months. If you listen to everything. I say you could. You could be a model or an actor or whatever. I know that you have everything that you need. Just just gimme eighteen months. But they never do it because they have a safety net. There had their parents. Have you know they have You know boyfriends letting them live rent-free they have all the stuff and so sometimes sometimes i'll get in the way a director as kind of being a director. It's more intense in the moment. Once you're done you're done with a manager. It's less intense in the moment. But it's just a consistent sort of grind That's sort of how i've seen it and and when it comes to a manager you have to convince you know you have to convince what's in their best interest for director. You're just trying to get the shotgun. You're just trying to get the project done. So it's i. I could talk about it more in detail if you like it will. It's what i like about what you're saying that you do is. You're trying to help people be the best that they can be in so that they in it's not you don't feel threatened by that you don't feel like they're trying to take over your position. You're trying to help them. Strive for their It's because i know they will take over my position it. It's it's sort of you know like some people say. Oh that's very very arrogant stuff but it. It's just look i've met. I've met thousands of people all trying to do this. do that. Whatever and it gets to a point where okay. I am different okay. There is something that sets me apart and you know a lot of people. A lot of people are really scared of verbalize themselves because they're afraid of the criticism that comes with that. I i don't really care Because you know if. I know that i'm busting my ass. That's all matters if i know that i'm working as hard as i possibly could. That's all that matters and so it becomes a thing. Where again i'm not. It's it's really hard to find multi talented people. When i'm hiring people like i don't know how to program. It's really hard to find a programmer. Do just you know it has problem solving ability and will consistently show up. That's really hard to find. It's really hard to find an artist who can do a certain art style and can show up for a decent amount of money and bang out one hundred drawings. You know like stuff like this like and so and so what i do. I do sound design. I do. I do writing i do. You know all this stuff that know. Sorta gives me a footing. Where if i'm doing enough jobs. I can just pretty much say okay. I'm the director too. I don't meet people that can do multiple things and it's it's like a thing where and you know the the big thing is some people more successful than you because they have connections and so would you take those things. Would you say that those people don't exist or those people exist but they're not willing to put in that work at all they. They have those raw talents. They have those skills they can program they can draw but they're not willing to sit down. I was watching a drawing yesterday with my son. And then the guys is just draw. Keep dry keep doodling. Doing you gotta keep doing it. And people are not willing to put that work in you. What i appreciate you above. You is the work ethic that you have. I think that's the core of what what drives you is your willingness to work and not all people have that most people don't have the level. Yeah no kid and they will do it for survival. Some people work to survive. But they don't have that level to succeed and to excel a lot of people don't have i like entrepreneurial mindsets where a lot of people don't like that it's all on them. It's all on their shoulders. People you know people really shy away from that and You know i. It's people are too afraid of criticism in the moment especially if they have friends who have big followings where they're making good stuff they don't want to try to to your question on. Do those people not exist. I mean ob- those people exist those get. Those people are are howard stern. Those people are kanye west. Those people are are jamie foxx. Those people are you know penn tower. That's those people. Are we see these people all the time and are there other people who are multitalented. Really good that hasn't been discovered yet. Yes absolutely. I'm just not running into them. I'm not saying that. I know the world but in my network of people i haven't ran into tonight yet You know to say that that i am. I am the greatest talent ever. You know like i. I think there are plenty of people who are more talented. We're not getting other michael jackson for another hundred and fifty years. I guarantee you. I am not the next michael jackson. You know you again. He was multi talented. But like you take out dancing and made it sound design or something like that you know and so. I wasn't insanely talented like i. The only thing that i showed any talent for was i. I could be funny. I could keep going for like thirty minutes. And i you know. I could sorta like i knew how to you know. Edit and direct seen those are the only two skills that i had going for me when i when i came out of high school i had no idea about audio. I had no idea about direction. I had no. I didn't really have a big on acting. I didn't know anything about lighting. I didn't know about cinematography or lenses. Or how how lenses. Work or aperture or shutter speed. I didn't. I didn't know any of this like you could. You could name something that you saw. And i tell you when i started picking that up You know i. It's the majority of what i do. What people follow me for was not stuff that i knew out of the gate. So you know. In terms of in terms of latent talent and what brought that out the work. Brought that out ryan i. I'm i'm i'm against the grind absolutely and so it's it's repetition. The biggest success is the ability and desire to practice. And so god. You know. Like i had a i did. Some stat was through my videos of of sound design and putting affects and mixing and stuff like that and it took me three shorts to finally have a level of sound design that one would consider like professional like hollywood standard professional. And so you know. I don't do like i. Don't meet a lotta people who one hundred and three shorts with variety. I can't. I can't beat those people. You know some not to say that there's other people again like i'm not. I'm not the richest guy i know. I'm not the guy making all the money. I know there's people with more followers than me of course But it it sort of. I don't know like like i just really have the desire but you know. Sometimes we're also seeing generational they like people don't like the guy who works really hard a lot of people find that intimidating and they don't want to hire that guy i. I'm sure i've missed out on jobs here. And there where people were were too afraid of of working with a guy who's like i'll take over you know. I have no problem doing that. And so a lot of people feel you know. I guess a lot of people feel challenge in that sense. They feel awkward and all that stuff. And that's just not the hollywood that i witnessed growing up where you're afraid to. That's another big thing. People are so afraid to work with strangers. People are so people feel like they have to be friends to work with people. What is that. it's so many times like like i. I hid up so many people. I i didn't know at all i hit up a guy who produced for missy elliott. You know a couple years ago and to to score a piece of my game. And i worked with him. I didn't know him at all. But now i do and you know. Is it awkward to work with people the first time when you don't know him. Yeah sure but you know. That's what separates the separate the men from the let's say have tried linked in. Are you on lincoln for guys aids. It's not really it's not a bad place. it's a good place to make connect. I'll tell you you could easily as as as you max. Field making connection as cinematographer director. It's a place you'll see. So i mean it doesn't take the effort is put your your thing up there and check it out and make connections. 'cause i've met some pretty interesting people that way and connections do come that way. It's it's a free resource and you don't have to pay for it. You can get the premium package and stuff but it's a way it's another way right. I mean i haven't run into a situation. Usually when a client wants me like i got zoom because of a client three years ago. Usually when a client tells me. Hey get this. That's how i usually get into something knives the same with facebook. It was the same with with a lotta stuff. But they. I mean i mean. I'm sure i'm not counting out but it's just you know i've tried a multitude of platforms for work and it. Just the youtube stuff is what brings in all the traffic. It's what brings in all the people and so so. It's like when you have one thing that works you know. You're you're less interested in trying things that might work. I like what you said. Go ahead no go ahead. Sorry the you said. I think universe for any job and you try two hundred three times right before you made something that you thought was professional. Take that for any sort of job if you're willing to do something a hundred times before you're going to get it right. You know throwing out a resume a hundred times. Most people won't do that. I know people that throw one or two and think all this is the end of it. And i get rejected. I'm done try one hundred. I mean try a thousand. I'd like to even know how many videos you've made in because all of these are steps toward you accomplishing your goal right. So they're all they're all dude. I've steps many. I've written probably five hundred scripts right five hundred scripts bra you know and and that was another thing like like i. It's annoying when people think they're working hard but they're not that pisses me off so much when i'm like. Oh oh yeah. He's a he's a good writer. Writes a lot. how how. How many scripts is your readier. Three three you've got to be kidding me. I write three and a week palm. And so you but but that's a thing like you. You get annoyed when people give you similar when people give someone else again. It's a competitive. Sports raised thing. You get annoyed when when people who you know are not putting in even a quarter of the work are getting equal or higher recognition that that you know. That's what i don't like like if there's somebody working just as hard and getting more recognition okay. That's that's connections. That's the luck of the draw. That's fine but when it's i mean it's still connections if you know for the other thing it's it's it's one of those things in terms of I mean i mean making sure it's an and here's another thing about so. Let's say that number is one hundred. Right of sound design knicks whatever's so that number is one hundred after twenty in the moment. I think this is professional. And that gets into that self empathy. You always have to think that you are doing your best shit. Oh and you always have to believe that And so it's You know and so but but again with the knowledge i know now i look back and but yeah at about one hundred which was And i hit a hundred. Maybe maybe like three years ago. Now that's when i started noticing. Okay like like this is. I found my standards. I found what i do. I have compared it with hollywood features. This is this is. This is where i sit. And that's another thing people people. I always holding myself to the standard of hollywood movies that i grew up watching. That's what i hold myself to the standard of and a lotta people would hold herself to. Oh i just wanna be okay. You know our aim for the stars on the clouds not sort of saying. I guess that's the kind of philosophy but you know it is what it is max. How can people reach you. How can they get in touch with you. Besides linked in obviously let's see a spn three on twitter spn three on twitter spn free on youtube. The contract graham what. Spn three it was. I had a channel called There was a pete. Rock song called soul brother number one. And so i got a ban twice for copyright stuff so it ended up being sober. That number three and i was like well. That's a mouthful so it became. Spn three and now people can actually find me through google. That wasn't that wasn't happening for years ago. So now so four characters a lot easier to remember than than fifteen but but yeah one final question max. Yep why do you work to get rich. I doubt that you will be. I mean you have the work ethic. You're young and you have. You have whatever it seems to take to do what is necessary to achieve those dreams in those goals however you wanna put it but with the work that you put into just to watch your videos to know a little bit behind the scenes of what you're actually putting in. There's no doubt that you can do that max field. Sbn three director cinematographer youtuber soon to be director of a feature film near you. I appreciate your time. And i appreciate the work that you do. Thank you hopefully an agencies the same way. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with brian. Be sure to subscribe follow and share with others so they to convene courage their work. I hope that you have yourself a productive joyful day in your work.

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In The Gate #456 - Back Into Form

In The Gate

33:30 min | 1 year ago

In The Gate #456 - Back Into Form

"He was one of the first horses to stamp himself. A Kentucky Derby hopeful now the connections of Max Field Hope the lay derby will give him a chance to make it in time plus we get a template of what American racing will look like when it comes back by examining European racing which is already on the way back. It's all straight ahead on this edition of in the gate. This is in the gate. Espn's thoroughbred racing podcast. My name is Barry who can follow me on twitter at be. Abrams boys or on facebook at Barry. Abrams voice you could also get us on our youtube channel by searching in the gate. Podcast you can find on. Stitcher soundcloud tune in the apple. Podcasts arap and of course in the listen tab of the ESPN APP for the full in the gate experience. Subscribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP. And please take a minute to rate and review the show. Those reviews really help others find us and as we look for positive developments during the corona virus outbreak. How about if the powers that be at America's best racing discover US while they're all at home maybe just maybe we'll make it into their fan choice awards for best podcast in November? He pushing for us. We're here pushing for you. This is the second in a series of profiles of horses who stand to benefit the most from the Kentucky Derby being run in September every year. We talk what a Shoulda Coulda for horses who showed so much promise on the Kentucky Derby trail only to be taken off the trail due to injury some of the minor some not so minor this year. Of course some of those horses who would not have been ready on the first Saturday of May might very well be ready to qualify for the first Saturday of September. Last week we talked about Suzanne from BOB BAFFERT STABLE THE HORSE. We discussed this time if he reaches his full. Potential would bring to the world's foremost racing and breeding operation the one major prize. It has never won. Here's Max field. Moving up on the outside to challenge Gouverneur Morris off the far turn and Max field strides forward and takes the lead by and a half to likes. In the final Furlong Gouverneur Morris second enforceable third. The rest are far back. Max Field Up. Breathtaking Ron at the top of the stretch. Kicks clear by six Max field to win the flavor readers feature at a four Jose Ortiz. Max Field of course is owned by Sheikh Mohammed Godolphin stable which has never won the Kentucky. Derby that win by Max Field. And the breeders futurity surely had Dolphin Thinking Derby that win followed a dazzling debut. Three weeks earlier in mid-september at Churchill downs. It was expected that Max field would move onto the breeders cup juvenile in November but a bone chip in his right front ankle. Derail those plans in fact it wasn't until mid February that Max `field returned to the Work Tab so clearly a Kentucky Derby run on time would have been all but out of the question but a series of breezes one of which was the bullet work of the day at Keeneland has Max `field ready to debut in the Matt Winn stakes at a mile and a sixteenth at Churchill that race now offers fifty points to the winner to give us more insight on Max fields progress. We welcome in his trainer. Brendon Walsh. Who joins us for the first time here on the gate? It looks like Max feels engine purring. Pretty well right now. How does he look compared with last fall He looks a lot better. Sorry it'll say better still owed a lot more in know last year very fortunate frame of a horse Even into the fall but he's got a lot stronger and food into into his frame On not sure. He's quite finished yet but he's grown into beautiful big big strong horse. Now you in February Max. `Field had resumed training. And you were saying publicly. Skip the Derby maybe try the preakness or maybe a softer spot now. Put aside for a moment. The reason the schedule has been torn apart. What did you think when you heard that the Kentucky Derby would be run in September well for one? I never lied. He said we were GONNA skip. The Derby Berry was always on the cards. It was just basically we were going to have to Go about Somewhat UNORTHODOX WAY. If we still went about you know basically I wasn't going to put the horse you know doing something stupid for the sake of making the derby is what I meant. You Know An and Brien Roche two-horse Off of the lay off but Yeah for sure When they decided to move it it was too early. Vantage gives us more time just able to To give the HORSA chance and and you know if if we we end up into Derby. We'll we'll have been able to go about it the way we want to To Bury didn't to us Any any home armadillo. Let's go back to that breeders futurity in October. What did you think when you saw that? Last of I move that he made. It was quite a quite spectacular. You know one was. I surprised probably was yeah You know what I mean. We doors was very good but that really good what he actually did for especially coming from year early. Run one time in the past. But you know this horse. He he's tended to do stuff like that tends to overcome some some problems as as good horses tend to do you know he. He did it that it was very impressive for you know. We didn't expect him to do what he did as a two year old from the outset like he thought he was good for him to win his maiden first time. I was slight surprise and then to turn around and win the gray one off the back of that. Three weeks later I have to admit it was quite a large pleasant surprise. Ran That final quarter and twenty four point six five which is really good for juvenile. How have you and your staff handled the shutdown the inability to race and even to move among different tracks. It's been of Berry as it's been tough on on everybody we've managed okay We were lucky because we managed to get the horses out New Orleans before the whole thing out really shutdown. Dare call what you liked that. We just felt that things weren't going away and we literally Adema there a couple of days before everybody got stuck down there so we got lucky there. You know it was able to get them more. Assist the Kentucky and you know some of the horses from Florida revenge to get them up to Kentucky to others were kind of when they those doors in Kentucky kind of the ones that were kind of left on there but at least we had racing in Florida and we had something to train the towards you know in Kentucky. We were to her advantage out of their more. Says that were into fairgrounds? They were running hard all winter or a little bit of a fresh nick. Do they her but I could see the knelt looking Whether the doing well you know the personnel. It's been hard on everybody but the whole thing's been hard on on everyone. There's a lot more. People have a lot bigger problems than while we add. So you know we've we've managed to get through with an hopefully we get back racing in Kentucky on Saturday and everything everywhere from saw their trainer. Brendon Walsh joining us. Here on the gate. He Trains Kentucky Derby hopeful. Max Field. Who set to make a season debut in the Matt Winn stakes until not too long ago? You didn't know a the Churchill would even be able to run be which day this race would be held. Did you even have a plan B. I think like everybody or you know the horse was still a little ways from being ready to learn anyway. So my plan I I kind of set a date my mind from the middle of May with all of the horses I was. You know calling me awful if you like but thankfully it. Oh gruden the end. But I kind of had an inkling. That was always going to happen if things went on. And you know that was originally. Set for Bait Artie. I believe it was a week later so we didn't have the specific race in mind but then we found out that that the whole race was going to be may twenty third and Kinda it said into our program radio. It's worked pretty good for him. You know he should be about as ready as we can get a sure he's going to improve for for adding heroic for having the road that we put you know. It's giving US enough time to get him to get his rabies. We can get him so Hopefully we move forward from there now. You worked in Dubai for years. And then last year you went to Dubai to qualify for the Kentucky Derby with Luke Parfait who won the UAE. Derby with Max Field Dubai came to you now. You obviously know Godolphin's accomplishments and you know that the Kentucky Derby is about the only major race in the world that Sheikh Mohammed hasn't won. What does that mean to you as you train this horse it means you know it? It has entered my because back in the day when I was working for them. You know which is is a long time ago like fifteen sixty years ago gave really really trying their best to win the Kentucky Derby. Do they put a lot of money into it and they bought some really nice horses in produce. Some really nice horses settled as well. You know look like there'd be types but they couldn't quite get it don't end it was a it was a major target. Or it's still is a major target for you know even even you know if they've always tried their very best to win and we saw thunder snow a couple of years ago. You know what I mean. He would have been a very legitimate horses. If what happened hadn't happened that's That's in the past now but yeah I mean it means a lot to them. It's nice to have worked for them. Berry and to not to to have. Maybe you know one of the one of their better chances of winning the race now this year so yeah it has entered my mind and it would be fantastic to do with for in a life not even so much in Dubai but even when I was in Ireland worked for them guys on and off for years and for people who trained for the metre and there were fantastic into see and Sheikh Mohammed is a is a great man you know not just rotate racing but what they've done with. Dubai as a city in general and and it would mean an awful lot to To them and to be if we could do with his horse and maybe beyond believable if we could do something like minutes early. Speaking of your fellow Irishman the Great Aidan. O'brien brought Mendelssohn to the Kentucky. Derby he finished last it was the first time. Aidan O'Brien had ever been at the Kentucky Derby itself and the word he used to describe. The running of the race was savage physical bruising race that type of which he had never experienced in person. I say that because Sheikh Mohammed in his Halcyon days when you were there brazenly wanted to train a Derby winner in Dubai and then ship him over to win that race. Knowing what you've seen now do you think such a thing as possible It's possible Berry when you say that you mean to bring one to buy and then bring them back though to train in Dubai and then ship over with like a couple of weeks before to run and win the Kentucky Derby. I think it's I wouldn't say it wasn't a possibility. I mean we brought close Q- Last year to to do by in any thought he ran a good race in the Derby. After you know I think with the right horse you know it wouldn't be a complete impossibility but it does make it very hard because you're You know I think horses like what Aden say about about the race and you think about all you you really have to have a whore seasoned forest. It's thirty difficult to come off of the Notre Program you know European or Dubai Program but I think if you have the right horse. It's not it's not a competing possibility. No Right I think the right horse and things were to go right you know. I don't think it's completely impossible but it. It does make a lot harder because you're coming from a different program a different style of racing to an extent and And then you've got all the travelers well but Is it an impossibility? Absolutely now you've worked for a number of top trainers and top outfits Godolphin of course and here in the states trainer ready can neely among them so certainly they taught you how to train top level. Horses did these people prepare you for the media onslaught that could follow if Max `field blossoms here in the spring and summer. I think that's I think very you know we were owned a lot but in I was never in a position. Where at the star of the media but of course you read all these things but you know I think anybody. That's Goss a derby horse race thirty favorite for the first time. It's it's going to be new to them to a point. I mean we obviously had close Q- Last year and there was a lot of following for him and the fact that he had wanted Dubai and all that sand on text as maxine may turn out to be probably not. But you know I think everybody you ask anybody. That's that's you know young younger trainer and when they came with their first real good shot of winning the Derby. Everybody's had to cope with it. But it's it's exciting because he's had a Lotta following the dice and you know a lot of people interested. So it's it's it's nice you know but we just take it as it comes and hopefully it comes because I think those then it's a good sign of Is Trading and doing certainly so. We wish you the best of luck going forward down. The Derby tro within Brendan. Thank you so much for a few minutes. Thank you very. We'll we'll talk to you. What will the new normal be in racing when the big tracks start back up? It's already starting to happen that way in Europe so we'll go there to get a look when we come back. Welcome back to win the gate before we get to our discussion on how our friends across the pond or getting back to racing or not as the case may be. I WANNA pass along to use some bullet points from a discussion. I had involving one of our recent podcasts. In late March we featured a story about some of the first residents of the State of New Jersey to lose their lives to cove nineteen. They were part of the harness racing community. One of them was John Brennan. An official working yonkers raceway was the first official New Jersey resident to die from the virus and then there was the FUSCO family. Four members of that family died within two weeks from Cova. Nineteen and among them were carmine. And Vincent Fusco both harness trainers a man claiming to be John Brennan's nephew. We could not independently. Confirm that he said that we had incorrectly. Stated that Mr Brennan had come into contact with the fuscos at Yonkers raceway. The man with whom I spoke claimed that Brennan had had no contact with carmine. Vincent fusco either at the track or away from the track I don't think anyone can prove the answer definitively either way but when I asked the gentleman on the phone why it mattered whether there was contact or not the man would not elaborate. He just adamantly repeated that there was no contact between Mr Brennan and the fuscos. It is worth noting now as it was then. That carmine FUSCO served a five-year banned from the starting in two thousand twelve from multiple drug offenses involving his horses. So I'm not exactly sure what we've cleared up by passing these details along but you can make of it what you will. As with. Many recent advances in civilized society from music to food to ideas television programs change often happens. I in Europe and sure enough in horse racing while American tracks that shut down to the pandemic are just getting up and running again. Some European ones have already begun the process. German racing resumed on Wednesday may sixth that Hanover followed by Cologne and Munich. France Gallup started staging events at Paris. Longchamp home of the arc-de-triomphe a week later. Of course the biggest shoot to drop across the pond would be British racing the earliest they can run John. I the day targeted by Prime Minister. Boris Johnson for phase. Two of his plan reopen the United Kingdom phase two includes sporting and cultural events for broadcast with no spectators onsite but since there is actual horse racing already restarting. Let's get a sense of how it's going from both a safety standpoint and a business standpoint by welcoming in here to win the game for the first time. Chris Baker a racing handicapper and analyst based in the UK. Great to have you here Chris. So first of all. What are you hearing about? How reopening these tracks and staging these races have gone from a covert nineteen safety perspective. Yeah the reports say far that the measures that have been playing pace of how to real big fights. It's very different for those that are in attendance. Very different for the drug is very different. For the trainers the media. You know partly can hear a pin drop as the whole cross the line. The strict measures in place to make sure that it's the as possible for those taking pump here in the states. Oaklawn Park in Arkansas. One of five tracks running in all of North America at the time twice broke it single day. All sources handle including more than doubling. Its RECORD ON ARKANSAS. Derby Day. Oakland took in forty one million. Us That day their record had been nineteen million. Set a couple of weeks earlier. What kinds of figures have you seen for Germany and France? I'm not sure on that show figures but people desperate for live sport you know having the UK you the lockdown is apparently. It's quite an impact on people's mental health and I've been forced to stay inside and the life. Sport really does have an appeal to lots of people from the enjoyment of watching the sports betting on the spot of course racing is is key industry in the UK contributes full billion to come to make an inside this this real violence about the needs to get the economy back on track versus public health and safety of the nation so in France and Jimmy trae sample that the the measures being taken. It's what you'd expect. And I I suggest Jimmy. It seems to be slightly more relaxed. Restrictions were eased recently and in top level football restocked in it the weekend. Of course the usual things masks and social distance and finished the more strict there is the threat from the government to revoke the license. If the streets measures on did say says yeah I just figures. I'm not sure but the popularity said gone down very well and looking at Australia and Hong Kong TV viewing figures of very high for the for the fans there. Because you know people at home that they won't watch they want something to look forward. They want some into enjoy believe. I read something that. Swedish harness racing is reporting a sixfold increase in international betting during the shutdown. That is staggering. The Big Enchilada of course will be racing in the UK and as we mentioned June first as the earliest. That racing can start up there. So let's start with some races that matter most to American racing fans the Royal Ascot Races and the Derby and particularly with Royal Ascot Racist. Can you explain Chris? How important it is that. Those races happen at a specific time of the year namely June. Well Boris Johnson and issued an they outlined in. This dispersed the due date of costs only if the spread of viruses control type. I June isn't guaranteed. Now is a strong so strong names strong opinions within the industry that racing con-continue and it should resume as quickly as possible so in terms that they key dates that I actually came as a blow to to the resumption of racing crew. I'd say committed as looking at getting the race ponding Organiz because they kind of put a best case. Scenario forward to racing stocks ended may with the classic trials the two thousand one thousand Guinness at the start of June. Meaning that Roy. Ascott that you've mentioned could go ahead as planned in mid-june that I cook the weeks between beginning and Roy Ascott. It allows us to get a preparation before Huge meats and ask which confirmed it will go behind closed doors. Obviously but they're really keen to keep the date implying now in terms of American interests. You Got Wesley World. Of course. You've got a fantastic record or last ten winners since two thousand nine including the likes of Lay Doria named Never Acapulco now. He's renowned for his two year old ruinous over in this country. But there's a lot of uncertainty about the two year old races this even if the two year old races being scrapped together because the united against the caught with get into them there is no guarantee that the trouble because the no surprise if travel restrictions where we're all changed so this is identified. Some of his old horse is having the best chance. So excited sprinter full wheel drive being aimed at the king stunned and Kamari the end the Commonwealth Cook based those run in debris described juvenile sprints. And it'd be really really untested if also could promote from Alaska. But they really. It really is still open. The APP so asking stemmed racing will resume on the fish the gym. But it could all change and you mentioned those key. Races Got Scott hopes and the dog that they've been about as possible dates in July now with this is an issue with not in the EPSOM race cost host the oaks and the Dhabi is a public space and so special distance. Ation has to be gained. You know to close off because said that the public con access it and said the racing can go ahead so this so much going on the scenes in order to get this race program of of the Cossacks. The other prestigious races back up and running. Now that's all going to be really squeezed. And no one knows how that's going to look like commend the season but as far as the spoil. He's GonNa make it very exciting tubbies huge group one racism prestigious race. It's taking space all taking place in the short on the dispensation has now been gained so said we'll defense stuff the twenty four hours allowing the oats and the dog to take place on the same day after the race card and I heard it might even be July fourth day. That has some significance here in the United States. Now here in America horses live and are trained at the track in the UK. Horses often live at their trainers homes. Literally many trainers have large tracts of land where they live and behind the houses barn or a series of barns for their horses now obviously that makes it easier to train them. Because you can control. Who's coming onto your property but here in the states grooms and hot walkers already live at the track in dormitories so they're already on the grounds all day all night with that not being the case in the UK does that make it harder to convince governments to allow the staging of races. Joan Guston leading train Hippie well-known listeners. Interstates he spoke this week about new market. Which is one of the biggest race in town in in England. The two and a half thousand horses trained in the daily observing strict social distance in measures. They the trainers and the train is absolutely. They come in that they can do this. This will racing camera zoom. It should gruesome and sue Johnson and some of the other leading trainers of set actually being the race calls. We'll be much safer than going to the supermarket or go into the actual station. Because if the strict measures are in place strict safety measures the fi the non contact sport that they'll be a very limited number of people and truck is behind closed. Doors as I said that they really are still. The Netcom said that being the race course would be safe. Then got into your daily business because everything's in place so I did have a tough job to go from and all being well. This will resume on the festive with with streets procedures in place in terms procedures. The gold standard really has been sat by Hong Kong and the Jockey Club in Hong Kong. And the good if we're really close together to create sort Racing Bobo. And there's been high praise for all those involved and by all accounts it's down to complete commitment from all those taking park so to make it work and procedures in place in. Hong Kong really strict. You've cost but the standard things that happen in every country like masks temperature tax stringent social distance and mandatory you've limited officials on cost in Hong come the jockeys being tested four times a week they have to to. Ms Old racing activity not just pre impinge race. They even have to submit to full with intended activity for the next day. So the about convicted by by security experts so hung really have set. The Standard I think about the other countries would have been in contact with Jockey Club in Hong Kong to take on board some of their ideas. 'cause it's really quite impressive. How the show go now. Of course in Hong Kong. They all helped by the fact that there are really two meetings that we they're they twenty. Two twenty talking is based very much around one site. I thought those hell. Then you've got Australia have carried on as well so different posts. Kohl's in between the different states but that that's been quite strict with jockey segregation may movement between states interest in the jockeys in Australia. They have to shower with five minutes before. Sorry how's the race course and not seeing direct contradiction to one of the idea has been put in this country. Where the jockey because here if if announced that the jockeys will not be able to you so on his shows because they've made the some scientific evidence that shows that could and spread the disease and so in these countries you have many similarities but there are some differences. Well I feel bad for Ali Bell having to interview the jockeys if they haven't showered at all British racing you were talking about. How the Two year olds may not have prep. And how can you run them at Royal? Ascot will British racing also known for its long distance prizes most notably the two Mile Ascot Gold Cup. Which is the centerpiece of the final day of Royal? Ascot Saturday each year stratovarius winning in two thousand nineteen his second straight Gold Cup and all the HOOPLA that went with that would horses be able to run two miles in June after the shutdown or would they be ready for such staying raises. Yes question again. Going back to the training. The training of horses calms has taken pace as normal with strict say should distance procedures. Say the train is the saying that horses off ready to now of course race that this is a different thing but if you're got was to take place to allocate to slot middle of June that would give a couple of weeks for trade Mr Pratt all possibly what happens in this country racecourse gallop say it's not it's not a trial and there's not a race but it's a day out of the race is full of whole and experience. The pray ring. They spend the truck inside my visit. We see quite nice coastguards and drum gusts again speaking yesterday. Did he seem to think that? Even if I thought was his normal time that would just about be time to get into into the status. Of course got well. Fresh trying to train has come in the whole ready to run that stuff already to be that with all these measures in place is going to say a safer that have become. We asked this because as of this recording the New York Racing Association here in the states is wrestling with what to do about the Belmont stakes. The third leg of the American triple crown which is a grueling mile and a half on dirt and New York is not sure that they can run it at that distance. If it's run anytime during the summer because horses haven't had a chance to build up to it. I don't know what difference you think. There is between turf and dirt when it comes to preparing a horse to run that far but as you say you know. Come to quite grueling nine-day content and it's so much of an. Yaron all these decisions key decisions. They make by goodman racing authorities. They will get things right. They'll get things wrong. The opinion is very split in England. About how the government under this crisis you some people saying it's a disgrace you've got some people say it's being under barely well. It's the same with everything. Every decision is made you behind side. That will tell us whether it was the right decision on and the many wall tips is really difficult. Time as a as a fun sport it will be a test to get it. Buckle Ronin if it's completely safe to do so if everything in place to do so because if that's not the case if the country not going against what the government is in they stop squabbling within which is clearly not happening in Hong Kong. And that's going to help. Nobody when you speak to somebody on the other of the pond about this you realize we really are all in it together. Thank you so much for a few minutes and we wish everyone in Europe and everyone here in the states the strength to do the right thing and get this done properly. Thank you so much Chris. Nocco problem thank you very much. Thanks once again. Chris Baker into Brendon Walsh. It was just a matter of time before the corona virus outbreak would show up in some thoroughbred horses names. Perhaps you've seen the internet clip of fictitious race that features all kinds of virus satirical naming games. But now we see the first such gag and a real live thoroughbred racehorse. His name is vouching an impossible. One to ignore. He's trained by Wesley. Ward who hopes the horse will socially distance by winning his racist by six foot margins or more it surely won't be long before Corona virus names show up across the rest of the racing world much like that Internet clip. We mentioned but what will make you. Think when off announcers tongues. Those names are unfurled. Will you snicker Guffaw or will you grow despondent and remember all the chaos? We've endured those names will surely pass restrictions on allowable racehorse names but will they make you say good job for good Lord. You can get us on our youtube channel by searching the PODCAST. You can find us on Stitcher soundcloud to in the pink apple podcast APP and of course in the listen tab of the ESPN APP for the full in the game experience. Subscribe now in the listen tab of the ESPN APP. And please take a minute to rate and review the show. Those reviews really help others find us. And if we're not careful some of those who find us might be those geniuses at America's best and maybe they'll include us in their fan choice awards for best podcast in November. Well yeah maybe mental start. Having babies you can get me on twitter at Abrahams voice or on facebook at Barry Abrams voice. That's indicated for this week. I'm Barry Abrams. We hope you're safe. Healthiest you listen to this. 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Calling All Three-Year-Olds - April 11, 2020

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Calling All Three-Year-Olds - April 11, 2020

"And they're all spendthrift farm presents calling all three year olds with. Bobby Newman. Oaklawn park takes center stage today. The two hundred thousand dollar oaklawn states is the main event and a stellar field was entered for the mile in eighth affair. It's an important step for these. Three year olds at the top. Three finishers get an automatic berth. Into the Arkansas Derby on Saturday may second and the winner gets a guaranteed spot in this year's preakness stakes a big field of thirteen was entered and six of the runners have already won stakes in their brief careers. Jason won the grade one hopeful as a two year old and he returned off a lay off to finish third in the rebel stakes. Last out he didn't have the cleanest trip that day. And has every right to improve Bob Baffert. Thousand words is a multiple stakes winner in southern California but didn't fire his best shot when last seen in the San Felipe stakes. This'll be as first time racing away from his home base in California those two should vie for favoritism but the race is really much deeper than that Tashaun comes up a resounding win versus software competition and could be ready to tackle these tougher foes plus they're up and comers background in Farmington road. Both of whom seemed to be improving with every start should be a great race. Speaking of the Arkansas Derby the probables as of now including a doll blackberry wine wells by you three technique King Guillermo Attachment Rate Basin accession silver prospector an charlatan. There are several others. Including Max Field and Gouverneur Morris that are being considered to remember that Oakland. Starting Gate holds fourteen horses. Max and the top three from today's oaklawn stakes get in so the other eleven spots will go to those entered with the highest career things. I'll be back with this week's top five list right after this word from spend three spendthrift farms popular safe bet program is back for twenty twenty featuring freshman sires. Brody's 'cause Cinco Charlie and hit it a-bomb three to one of these stallions. Watch their first. Crop of two year olds have greatest steak success on the racetrack this year. Or you won't. Oh the stud fee. When you're full was born in twenty twenty one serious deals on Syria stallions only at spendthrift the breeders farm call today to learn more eight five nine two nine four zero zero three zero or visit spendthrift farm dot com. This week's top five list of Derby contenders looks like this numbers. One and two authentic and honor. Ap The one two finishers in the San Felipe Bay both searching for where they'll make their next starts number three. Tis The law winner of the Florida. Derby he could show up in the Arkansas Derby on May the second number four and five Max field and Charlatan both pointing possibly to the Arkansas Derby as well Max field. We haven't seen him since last year is a two year old and Charlatan to two undefeated won a maiden race when on allowance. Race both in resounding fashion. That's you're calling. All three year olds segment presented by spend threat the breeders farm.

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Equine Forum - June 26th 2021

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Equine Forum - June 26th 2021

"From the rail to your radio this is the horse racing radio network and those consult look for the purpose must have been checking out closing. Does rachel she. Billy us squad. Welcome to the equine forum. The second full. They've opened up a five six lead with one furlong to run. They've let the field really. American freedom then gone runner or incur. Now here's mike peta. Hello again everyone. Good morning and welcome to the show. That launched this network the equine form right here on the horse racing radio network mike pence baron. The backstretch happy to have you in the saddle with me for the next three hours. Right up until eleven. Am eastern never too early for a derby countdown. Is it and i know. I haven't done one a very long time. While since the first saturday in may so here we go three hundred sixteen days nine hours forty three minutes and twenty seconds until the twenty twenty to run for the roses. But that certainly isn't stopping the folks at churchill downs from rolling out the red carpet one more time on this final day of their spring. Meet race here in the commonwealth will to ellis park tomorrow but churchill is going out with a bang later today seven stakes races including two breeders cup winning. You're in events. The grade one floor lee for the distaff division. And the great to stephen foster for the breeders cup classic. Now you go ahead and throw in some promising youngsters in the debutante and the great three bashford manor along with a mile and a sixteenth turf race named for hall of famer wise. Dan and you really do have the makings for one. Heck of a day of thoroughbred racing not to mention the fact by the way that the floor lee and the stephen foster have attracted the potential leaders in their respective divisions in that could be argued but they've attracted to good ones with lotrowska showing up on the floor. Lee in mansfield. Returning in the stephen foster godolphin president and racing manager. Jimmy bell is going to kick off today's show with me at eight fifteen eastern. He's gonna talk about max field and he'll provide an update on their belmont stakes winner. Essential quality looking forward to that visit at eight fifteen churchill downs director communications darren rogers at eight thirty five to time. Stephen foster winning trainer dallas stewart will be with me in the third hour of the program. Ten twenty five eastern and at ten forty. I'll take you down the road to the breeders cup with the truce kaz trainer fausto gutierrez the native of mexico opened his us operation in two thousand nineteen and now has one of the top mayors in training. Pretty cool story. He'll be here final segment of the show road to the breeders cup ten forty eastern time. This is also by the way at unsung heroes week. And i think you are really really going to enjoy this week. Segment coming up in the second hour of the program right around nine twenty. I'm gonna welcome in churchill. Downs keeneland clerk scales heavier torres. He has had that job for many many years and much like every unsung hero. I've had on the show. He does a job that is critical to the success of our sport. And it's the job you may not even know exists. I'm even going to ask him to share some stories about the jockeys who are the biggest pranksters jackson room so it should be a really fun segment again. That's coming up right around nine twenty eastern time poll question for this morning if your goal is to win a breeders cup race in november. Which horse would you rather have right now. The true ska. Or max 'field both horses are going to be heavy favorites for today's races at churchill in in their respective races the floor daily. And of course. The stephen foster. They're both four to five on the morning line. So if your goal is to win a breeders cup race in november which horse would you rather have right now. Go to at h. R. twitter horse racing radio network on facebook to let me know your thoughts if you don't do social media email me. Mike horse racing radio dot net. And i'll try to pass on the results as we move throughout the program this morning. Kind of tough call really. When you compare the two side by side in lotrowska you get a five year old mare. Who appears to who appear. Certainly to be getting better with age right. She comes into today's florida lee. Having won back to grade one races and she's a head away from being undefeated this year. Her only loss coming at the hands of last year's kentucky oaks winner. She dares the devil in the grade two area back in march. Her consistency is really nothing new. When you look at a record though she's won. Fourteen of nineteen career starts and she has the kind of early speed and staying power which makes her a very very dangerous horse. Max field on the other hand well first of all. He no longer has to deal with the expectations of equalling cigar ores in yada in terms of a consecutive win streak. He was a long way from realistically throwing his hat into that ring but he did begin his career. Perfect five for five before finally tasting defeat in the grade santa anita handicap back in march. Max field is now six or seven lifetime and rebounded beautifully with a very professional win. The grey to alysheba on the kentucky oaks undercard. He's not a speedster like lotrowska but he's very adaptable. He's proven he can win. From stocking position or coming from further back so from a talent and a consistency comparison. I think it's kind of a push. What about the trainers loose trainer. This is where it of starts to separate a little bit lotrowska trainer. Fausto gutierrez has handled a total of fifty two winners since moving to the united states from mexico and twenty nine nineteen overall. He's winning at a twelve point. One percent clip brendon walsh. The trainer amax field has won three hundred eighty three races and wins with about fifteen point six percent of his starters. Lotrowska is the only greatest stakes winner. Gutierrez has trained. If you don't count epifanio who won the grade. One eight grade one in mexico in two thousand twelve walsh's settled twenty five greatest stakes winners advantage. Brennan walsh on the ownership side. Max field is owned by shaykh muhammed's godolphin winners of countless top level. races around the globe. Lotrowska is owned by herman. Laura's saint george stable who is owned a total of from what i could see one graded stakes winner here in the united states. The aforementioned lotrowska but saint george stable can crow about one thing. The shake mohammad cannot lereah campaign a triple crown winner in mexico but still the triple crown winner who can pull off the feat. But even with that i think you have to say advantage godolphin on the ownership side when you're comparing the two. So where does that leave us in regards to. Today's poll question. If your goal is to win the breeders cup race in november which horse would you rather have right now. The true ska or max field. I think you lean a little more toward max field and this might be the deciding factor. Take a look at the leaders. In their respective divisions in the older dirt male division. Max deal will have to deal with another godolphin owned horse and mystic guide winner the dubai world cup. We may see him coming up in the suburban next week at belmont. He'll have to deal with silver state. Impressive winner of the met mile. He's currently on what a six race win. Streak is silver state but other than mystic guidance. Happy savers out. There charlatans out there by my standards is out there. Knicks go certainly formidable but other than mystic guide. If you're talking about a race like the breeders cup classic. Let's say they both go to the breeders cup classic mex- field stacks up with everybody else and who knows could stack up a mystic guide. Pretty well so that. That's the sticking point for him. How about the older well. And then don't forget about essential quality by the way who's gonna you know. These three year olds essential quality. Manda loon the horses. We became familiar with throughout the triple crown. I think essential quality is probably the best of the bunch all due respect a man but he'll have to deal with him too. But i think max fields sitting in a pretty good spot right now in terms of the older dirt females. Well lotrowska would have to deal with monoploy girl. She's currently on the sidelines. Let's say she comes back and we know that she can come back in a big way. Let's say monoploy girl does come back. Lotrowska has to deal with her. If she doesn't come back. Loose path is a bit easier. She'll have swiss skydiver to deal with. Who missed the tips with the fever. She'll have demean. Who knows good. Sprinting is she. Can't you remove the truce could going longer distances and race. Like the breeders cup distaff. And then you're down to the horse that beat lotrowska this year. She dares the devil as time goes by bonnie south all horses. That i think the truce go on her day can handle so again when you start looking at the the difference in the competition i think the edge there has to go to lotrowska. I don't know it depends. It depends on if monoploy girl gets healthy and gets back on top of her game then. The edge goes squarely field because bottom girls the beast. She's just that good. And and i think she beats lotrowska on the square as good as the truth. Is i think if it was a race like the breeders cup distaff. I think i have to give the edge to monoploy girl just because she really is that and we know that she can bounce back from adversity like she is done in the past so it's an interesting poll question this morning very interesting. Poll question if you're trying to win a breeders cup race in november which works with you rather have lotrowska or max 'field. I don't know which way the votes are going to go on this one. This could go either way. I think there's going to be people on both sides of the fence here. My guess is at mac fields. Probably going to get the edge but going to be interesting you know i talk about monoploy girl being able to beat the true san the square while she couldn't do it in the apple blossom starts back the truce gutter by a knows that day. It was one hell of a horse race. But i think i still give the edge tomato girl in a rematch. All right again very busy. Show going to talk with jimmy bell. The president and racing manager we could dolphin. 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My name is shawn benjamin garcia to ovation radio listening to the equine forum on the horse racing radio network. Top makes your wallet back to the site. The central trump do exist. Welcome back to equine forum on h. r. n. mike pence. Burn the back. Stretch with you on this saturday morning. Very very busy program. Three hours Still two hours. In what forty five minutes or so left to go. Take you all the way up until eleven. Am eastern and a lot of things to get to including a look back at that huge win by essential quality in the belmont stakes gonna be joined shortly by jimmy. Bell who is the president and racing manager of godolphin the owners of essential quality. They also are the owners of max. 'field who is the four to five morning line favorite in the afternoons stephen foster at churchill downs and oh by the way they are the owners of dubai world cup winner mystic guide. You don't the year that godolphin had last year was well. It was brilliant. It was so brilliant. Were voted the eclipse award. Winning outstanding owners of twenty twenty to see the position that they're in sitting here on june twenty-sixth of twenty twenty one. I mean come on think. Think about this. We get to the breeders cup classic in november at del mar and by the way we'll be there. Is your exclusive radio home again. This year the only place. You'll hear the breeders. Cup is with us here on the horse racing radio network coast to coast. Worldwide shameless plug. But you get to the breeders cup classic in november. Is it possible. I know it's possible but is it likely if all three of those horses mystic guide max 'field essential quality. They all stay healthy. The all come into the classic in good fashion. Let's say they'll go to the classic and not a race like the dirt mile. Let's say they'll go to classic. Could we be looking at a good dolphin. Trifecta in the breeders cup classic. It's certainly plausible. When you take a look at those three horses music to the ears of jimmy bell he would love nothing. More than to be able to tell sheikh mohammed. Hey we just had the tri factor. One two three in the breeders cup classic with me now here on the horse racing radio network jimmy. Good morning good morning. How are you doing good. Did that sound to you. Godolphin trifecta in the breeders cup classic. Wow did you did you Did you figure out first. Second third. But i don't know if i'm gonna touch that one i you know. I'm a huge essential quality fan right. I love a central quality. I love max fields story and you can't fault. Missed a guide for anything that he's done so i don't know how you separate the three well. They're probably going to have to figure out how to do it themselves. Because i don't think we're smart enough to figure it out from handicapping but the good news is that's a. That's one of the greatest problems you'll ever have to deal with the have Free talented cults. More excitingly in in three different barnes with three different opportunities so Very grateful for for all. That's kinda come that way. We haven't had a chance to talk on air sense that belmont stakes victory by central quality. You know here's a horse jimmy. He ends up the beaten favourite in the kentucky derby. I thought he was a cinch to win that race. He had a bit of a troubled trip if you will then he comes back five weeks later and proves that he is legit and improves. How good he is winning the belmont. Take me back to that that saturday afternoon. And just share your thoughts you think about it. Well you know fairness to quality. He's never had a bad race. He's had some unfortunate Trips but he's he's shown up every single one of them so as you well know is certainly in the derby of all races where it is at mile and a quarter where it is at twenty horsfield not only do you have to have the best horse but you gotta have some luck involved too. You know would you've seen a different trip worked out probably so but that's racing and that's the way it goes you take that and you move on and i think that really you know our feeling was going into belmont was just another opportunity. And that's really way we've viewed it. And i think he showed up on the right day and and showed His ability not only in class but his stamina as well and Take my hat off. I mean that was neat eater and you can tell by the way they drew off from the field that that was really throwdown. Just a link to the stretch. Very exciting to very very nice colts and You know just essential central qualities seems to have that will to win and You know louis fifteen so well and has that confidence in him and it was a race to the wire and you know we. We got lucky. We've got to turn the tables as far as Finding their way to wear circle. I know that you and my man darlie. Dan pride were ultra pumped up the whole team at darling. Godolphin was fired up for that win and rightfully so. What was the conversation like with shaykh. Muhammad after the race. Well i think it was really. I didn't get to speak to him personally. Just just you know just got got the thumbs up in the excitement of it all in as you well know that was probably a big day for godolphin near nationally as you can imagine. They ran won three and english. Darby that day charlie appleby sent over to phillies to run the just a game a great one For phillies on the grass ran one to there. And then you know just finish it off with essential qualities Exciting win in the belmont. That's really just very very reflective of of Shape mahama's breeding program and his enthusiasm for the international stage. And it. just sort of encapsulates all that all the good things that go on from the breeding to the way these horse race or the way their campaigned and also to shake mohammed. His his True excitement and as i said passion for a competing on the international stages and every now and then it goes right. Which certainly was that sarah. What's the plan with essential quality for the second half of the season. Second half truthfully the major objective is. I think you might. Well agree as the travers is a as a signature race for three year olds at midsummer derby and it's rightfully so back at the mouth and a quarter. It gives these Three year old colts our chance to recover that they've been on a pretty Tiring and difficult Derby trail if you will and You know that's that's probably the circle on the on the counter for essential quality. And i had easy work last week in churchill. Work again this weekend. And then i think. Brad's plans shipping. Sara togo with an idea. Probably the jim dandy and with the main focus being the traversed visiting with godolphin president and racing manager jimmy bell here on the horse racing radio network. Excuse me jimmy. Let's talk about before. We get to max field in today's stephen foster. Let's talk about mystic guide for a minute. Ultra impressive winner. The dubai world cup. Will we see him. What next week in. The suburban is that where he's going to that yes. That's exactly right. You know looking forward to it. He's we wanted to give them a longer vacation. Then he wanted to take which is usually not not the case for people or horses but he was ready to get back to work a lot sooner than mike wanting to after his trip to dubai back and Looking very forward to this opportunity and in the suburban to get back on the racing trail if you will and You know his his race out and oaklawn You know really sort of served notice that that transition from three to four was pretty dramatic and then obviously that was underscored his again. In fatty win over with the new world cup And you know trying to get that time. That's not an easy trip over or back to get back in racing Condition so. Mike feels very confident as far as his time off in tom. Back on to be ready for the suburban. You certain it'd be a big test and ghost see if we can can't start the second year off Starting there and then he tried to punch your ticket to the breeders cup a couple of contenders on the saturday program at churchill downs. Max 'field as i mentioned going in the stephen foster you have antoinette in the floor delete both of those winning your ends for the respected divisions. Let's start with antoinette for a minute. Gimme the update on her well. The update is four. Lee came up a lot tougher than we. Were hoping that that would be the update as you can see a little bit of a small extremely competitive sealed. The truce go you know coming. Run back quickly. But obviously showing she's grade one class and quality The interesting thing about anthony. Aetna billy feels and rightfully so is that she's probably equally effective on the dirt. She is on the grass and so we were unfortunately had to scratch out of the stake up on belmont data turf got a little too soggy for her and most she and michelin had to scratch out of that. And it kind of makes you sorta redirecting looking around differently and so Leo looking back to a billy said listen. You know there's still. He's been as effective On the dirt and no we we sort of looked at the florida lee and and unfortunately there are some other pretty strong start looking at the same way. so i think we're in deep there and You know let's just hope for the best but there's some obviously small but very very quality feel there. The rest of the horses and the competition are in deep in the stephen foster. And that's because of the godolphin color. Max 'field What this horse. Six seven lifetime. He's overcome all kinds of adversity. Jimmy we've talked about him in the show many many times. He's as tough as they come and now he tries to put it all together. One more time in the stephen foster. What are you seeing from him. Since that big win in the alley sheba. Well i think. I think really what we what we've seen is the turnaround in him mentally toughness wise or his trip out to california and the sandy the handicapped. Where he you know he got a length and a half and was third but more importantly you'll brennan came back jimmy. I think this you know. Nobody wants to lose. Especially your unbeaten streak. But i think there's probably Made him grow up quite a bit. He says i've absolutely seen a change in mentally Not an aggressive manner but in toughness mannarino in sort of a race fight ready manner and i you probably saw that in the alysheba that you know he really was ready to Pounce when asked andrew off very impressively and quite honestly he's he's trained very very well. Since theology of looking very forward to the stephen foster. Because you know a little unfortunate in wasn't feminist thing it just it happens to these cults. He had a little chip here. He that'll this any other. You've got to start and stop a two year old and three year old campaign and the whole hoping idea was to see if we couldn't get a full body worked for him to show you know that he is a very sound very talented very versatile cult. In you know here we are into our forth or so racist season in in looking like he's going to have a solid summer and fall to come so this is a big race to add onto what he's been able to put together and Looking forward to but but Brennan could not be any more excited running in Holding on for tomorrow or today. That's really interesting that the mental aspect of of max field and and almost refocus. It's almost like an athlete or a team. Jimmy that's on a big win streak and they get upset and they lose a game they get beaten an event and it kinda refocusing. I didn't know that the horses were like that too. That could give me focused again. I think so. And i think it was a great analogy. You know He certainly wasn't look past that race. It was amount of quarter of the first time shipping across country. You know all those elements that if you're going to be at that. Top f sean. You've gotta be able you know that's part of performing at that level And and i think that It showed brennan that you know there were some improvement to come from him physically. He's always continued to impress. But what he said he saw. I really see a different looking. His outweighs going about it and he felt like he saw the first glimpse of that in the alley sheba. So you know. We're we're looking in hoping to see that that that element doesn't continue but You know the feeling in the camp going in is that that it is. Yeah maybe the horses in california. Just kinda. Poke the bear Woke up the sleeping giant. If you will. We'll see if max continues that momentum later today in the stephen foster jimmy bell can't thank you enough for spending a little time. Thanks for the updates. All the best going forward and keep up the wonderful work godolphin. We're very very grateful. I'm very pleased and You know let's hope it continue. Keep it rolling my friend. Okay thank you so much appreciate chatting with you all the time you know that. Good luck jimmy. Jimmy bell here on the horse racing radio network. Just fantastic insight. I mean he has done such an amazing job and not just. Jimmy has a team surrounding him but Really he's the man steering the ship there for godolphin and has really done a tremendous job and they are loaded. You could really make case that they're staying there. With a breeder's cup classic tribeca in their back pocket right now but everybody has to get there. And jimmy's question. Back to me was great. Can you separate them. Who wins it. Can you put them in order. One two three. I don't know if i can not right now. I mean. I guess mystic guide probably the most accomplished. But i don't know max field pretty good too and and now you've got a classic winner in central quality so wonderful stuff. My thanks to jimmy. For taking the time here this morning when i come back after your lexus legends of the turf. All talk about the entire stephen foster program with churchill director of communications darren. Rogers still come. You're going to hear from two time. Stephen foster winning trainer dallas stewart and faust gutierrez who will settle the true scott in today's ford elite. That's all ahead right after your lexus. Legends of the turf. Brought to you every saturday at this time by the wonderful folks at of lexington there have been performances by horses on the racetrack that bear more than considerable note and there have been horses of the same milk over a period of time. 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There's one for a long to go feel the fully extended on the front end visitors running hard but it's still second roadster trying to hang onto third trustee scene but nobody catches mex field. Cook lied under the wire. The three winner over visitin second chess chief solomon or roadster. Welcome back to the boreham. Mike pinup baron and the back stretch with you on this saturday morning. That call you just heard courtesy of churchill announcer travis stone the alysheba max 'field cruising to an easy victory on the kentucky oaks undercard. He's back in action. Later today in the stephen foster. Which of course is a wind in your end for the breeders cup classic division. He is the fortified morning. line favorite. You heard my interview with godolphin president and racing manager jimmy bell in the previous segment. They say that. Mac 'field has turned the corner mentally since his first career and only career defeat in the santa anita handicap back in march. And if that is the case that is bad news for the competition later today joined now by darren. Rogers who is the director of communications at churchill. Darren good morning. Good morning mike Doing very well. You know. I said this at the top of the show that churchill is going out with a bang with this closing day car. This is fantastic man. What a program. Yeah we really are. It's been a wonderful spring meet. You know it was so refreshing to welcome back the fans after you know the past year that we've all endured and that you know they're the heartbeat of the game and it was. It was just great to see him back in and they came out in droves. They sought responded to our product throughout the spring. Meet and You know to to finish it with a twelve race program. Today that features you know seven stakes cap by the stephen foster It's the perfect way to go out. Go out on top. Yeah go out on top indeed We'll talk about today's program but let's start by looking back on the meat. That was if you will. I think they say the masters is a tradition unlike any other. I think you could say that. This year's kentucky derby is one that is unlike any other at least to this point anyway. Yeah absolutely you know at the time you know well. First of all it was it was it was strange. Capping The crowd but it beat having no fans you know like we did in twenty twenty five september There there was an event like any up but You know they have the fifty one thousand fans on hand We had good weather. It was such a great positive by and really it was an overall tremendous week and you know obviously but dina spirit cross the wire. I about a week later The game was kind of turned upside down with when word leaked out from the camp that the or tested positive And so you know. We fully expect that You know from a legal standpoint. This is probably gonna continue on for for a while now and I don't think it will reach any true resolution. But know the i can't i can't Express you know enough about what a great job. Then hoffman and his his team of individuals in the churchill. Downs racing office. What a great job. They did Putting on a great product throughout this This entire stand. We had a couple of great night racing events the the twilight thursdays by continue to grow You know the last two of for example. Thursday we had ninety seven hundred people out here on a thursday Going dollar beers food trucks music and eight live races. And it's just a great great if if if if anybody in the area hasn't taken part of the twilight thursdays when we opened back up in september. Check it out because it's really growing in recent years and it's been a lot of fun one thing that was different and i thought was really cool when it came to this year's kentucky derby is that when you came in you received a free program. They were free for the taking and all of the food and beverages including alcohol was complimentary. Price of admission is that was that kind of an experiment. This year. darren and something we might see more of in the future. We're going to talk about it. That was more dependent situation from a from a covert point with protocols but it was very well received in fact i know i know a number of different people That said hey. We'll pay twice as if you can cap the crowd at fifty thousand this year. So yeah i the one unrealistic parts of that is you know. I think it's very important for us to offer. We've always said it. Want to offer different experiences for every different customer base. And you know this past year we had limited you know capacity of about twenty five thirty percent in the in the churchill downs infield which worked out to be about fifteen to eighteen thousand people. They couldn't come over to the front side I missed people around the paddock area this year. And if you have that general admission experience which has to be at a lower point it's tough to role in an all inclusive food and beverage. And then you know how do you. How do you separate those folks. So we're we're we're gonna talk through those things Maybe be able to offer that type of experience in different segments of our vast facility but It went over very popular with the folks that were on hand at this year's derby. Yeah you know the logistics far. Better than i do and i know you mentioned that you're going to talk about it internally but i think that idea that concept not just churchill but maybe i'm big race days even like breeders cup where there's a a premium package that includes complimentary hospitality throughout the day. You know an all inclusive package if you will. I think that's a really interesting concept. And i think he may have struck something here. Yeah it was like you know. I wasn't you know going into it when you do something for the first time you plan you plan you plan and then you hope it works right and i i was. I was impressed. How very little lives there. Were that was the whole idea. Going in Was to reduce traffic At windows and that that was exactly the case so that was a home. Run on the on the operations team and levy restaurants are are concession there. Yeah and the food was fantastic. I i couldn't take advantage of the Complimentary alcoholic beverages. Because i was working by did hit the beef brisket stand a couple of times and that was outstanding. Yeah tremendous beef brisket sliders. What could be better than that And the kentucky derby. Ama's just perfect all right. Let's talk about what's happening on this closing day program. I mentioned the great to florida. Li got the stephen foster as well. taught me about the program in some of the highlights. The highlights you know. Obviously we have a twelve race program and and because what's russkoe is going to be A heavy favourite in the florida lee. You know that that race sits outside the sequence of the derby city six the late pick five in the late pick four you know to all stakes derby city six Pick five of the pick for and i. I just think it's very competitive We've got the kicking it off the seventh race is like flip through my program which of course mike is sticking. Together you can do at times One hundred fifty thousand dollar war tent for three year olds in on turf There's an interesting race where we see helium getting back to You know Off the dirt of course came from woodbine. was You know racing on the synthetic now a lot of people believe that the synthetics act more like the turf i think. Helium is very well spotted in here. Starting my dreams is also a little interesting For me it's not a move that has always been successful for trainer dallas stewart going from dirt to grass. But i think this isn't a good spot The horse will be forwardly. You know Position ready to pounce. And i think he's fast enough to compete in that race. The two year old races are very interesting with the the eighth racist. The wtop for the two year old phillies We've had some really nice performances for trainer norm. Cassie with some two year olds this me. One of which is on the ones and twos the eight horse Was a very nice winter. And its debut under flora giroux. It's six to one and normal was telling us recently that you know. He's changed his training a little bit with some of the two year olds where you know. Maybe he trained him real hard year ago and they might have been over the top now. He's kind of letting them I'm not gonna say race into shape but he's not training them as hard going into their first couple of starts and when you look at that perspective and you see a horse like on the ones and twos debut and win by liked to three quarters at six to one. that's impressive. there's room to move forward and i I i'm looking forward to seeing how that horse runs. The ninth race is the great three bashford manor going six furlongs for the two year olds and A majority of the worst is here. The colts geldings. I do find it interesting. That a twenty to one shot on the outlaw on the outside she's got attitude Could've of run in the debutante but chose to run here so that's an interesting move for trainer john. Ns i however going to be looking elsewhere. you know. I think i spread in this race. You know using maybe a a horse like a Norm kassy's glacial the four The nine red. Run for steve asmussen and very interesting horse for todd pletcher double thunder Debut winner at the a mama park Very interesting now. I'm gonna give you a bomb. I would not leave off your tick. The ten horse rising outlaw for for Jim chapin Debut at the maiden claiming level at indiana grand. But it was fast. That was fast enough. That works These young horses sometimes jump up and surprising. I'm going to include that horse underneath the my ticket. And of course. We have the wise dan on the card Really a showdown between setpiece and i'm like hot Brown some like an round probably has the tactical edge. This is a race With not a lot of pace but set piece for brad. Cox and judd mont. I mean they just loved her too downs. Winning three or four starts I remember the his debut was well mentioned in the us. Churchill and I think the sources a has a very very bright future and they show in it and then the last race on the program. The twelfth race on the card is the tappan for the three year old phillies I go a mile on the turf. And i just brian lynch. And and and toby's heart eight horse four to one on the line hobby air castellanos up You know if you look at that race to back at keeneland albeit it was sprinting and five and a half furlongs i just i think the source says in a bright future ship the belmont for the soaring softly yeah. I think this is going to be a little softer competition. I'm willing to forgive that. Takes the blinkers off and if we can get around four to one they. Toby's heart is a interesting and at that point you just go cash your ticket and head to the bar. Enjoy the rest of the the evening after What is going to be a fantastic stephen foster program the stephen foster again the favourite and their max 'field Darren is it is it mcafee and everybody else or dc and upset or in this race. No i really do. Think it's max field at all others. I mean i do appreciate the other. Get into their to You know to to to give it a try You know. And i wouldn't use a stone cold you know exactly but you know like like You know max field to me. He's just faster than these others. But you know a wide opinion of the second choice might be silver dust. And i just don't think the source as fast as he was a year ago now. That might be good enough to run second against this group But i i'm just not convinced he's good as he was during his six year old year so i may be looking elsewhere Underneath where i end up just yet. I don't know i got i got a. I got a few more hours to figure it out. Well listen man you. You've done a tremendous job once again with the meat and again. Ben hoffman the entire team at churchill. Just really really a great job with this spring meet and we'll look forward to the doors open again but enjoy stephen foster night and really appreciate you taking some time to to Walk through the program with me today. Absolutely don't forget it's an afternoon program know you said night but you know it's it's because we've we've we've used to run the stephen foster from two thousand twelve to twenty nineteen. In the evening we moved into the enemy. And it's an afternoon program. I post to twelve forty five and you can watch the racing all throughout the day on f s to america's day at the races perfect. Yeah twelve forty five eastern. I post and twelve races to take in including all those greatest stakes should be one. Heck of a day of thoroughbred racing really appreciated darren. Thanks so much and we'll talk again. Soon darren rogers director communications at churchill. Down good stuff really really good program. time now to get you set to bet the races and to do that we turn our attention to today's i bet. Now today's i bet today's i bet comes in rate five at pimlico with the post of to forty one eastern. It is number six hour nikki. L. who is two one on the morning. 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You can check out all of our shows on our website. You can listen at your leisure horse racing. Radio dot net and horse racing radio network on apple podcasts trainer. Talk this week by. The way was a lot of fun. If you haven't heard go back and listen it's it's a one hour show obviously every wednesday aspen and our visiting with trainer about their life and their career. And this week i had the chance to talk with michelle and julia. Now that's not a household name is not todd. Pletcher not steve asmussen but her story is fantastic and she is a very very bright young woman and i think she's going to have a lot of success in this game. She worked for some very prominent people including trainer. Kelly breen and she has really taken her lessons to heart and just getting started with their training career. Still looking for that first winter. But i know it's going to come shortly. Low probably be plenty for michelle. Julie also go back and check out the trainer talk. Show at your leisure. You can also check out yesterday's weekend. Stakes preview presented by nyerere bats. That's up there with the selections for all the big races and things to be. Bobby newman and the brits net dot com call in show as well as therefore you on our website horse racing radio dot net. I told you this second hour of the program. Well first of all before. I introduce my guest here to kick off the second hour of the program. I did want to update you on the poll question. Today's poll question. I think this is going to be really interesting to see how it all shakes out if your goal is to win a breeders cup race in november. Which horse would you rather have right now. Lotrowska or max 'field both horses gonna be four to five at least. They're both can be heavy favorites today. In their respective divisions. The florida early and the stephen foster but if your goal is to win breeders cup race in november. Which horse would you rather have. Right now june twenty-sixth true scott or mcafee. You can go to at h. r. n. on twitter horse racing radio network on facebook to weigh in or you can email the show. Mike horse racing radio dot net. If you don't do social media simply send me an email and let me know which worse you would prefer to have this point. Well i do get a chance now to welcome in dallas baker who is with bet makers technology group told you as i was getting ready for the second hour of the program just moments ago that there is a new wagering format a platform coming to new jersey and quite potentially to the rest of the united states. It is not new in other countries. But it is new here. In the united states i think is going to revolutionize the sport. I'll tell you about as soon as i introduced. Dallas who is indeed this week's industry star of the week. This segment presented by stuart morris who offers a boutique full-service bloodstock operation. He wants to his owners his clients and his team. His success he knows is because of you it would multiple stakes horses over the past several years including henley's joy our brain trust ghazi south bend and recent twenty twenty one stakes winners pacific. Gail and nick divest stewart. Morris is your source for success at the highest levels. You can visit the moore's consignment at all of the upcoming major sales without further ado dallas baker from that makers technology group is with me here on the horse racing radio network dallas appreciate the visit. Thanks smoke and I was listening to you. Thank you very well. I appreciate sitting through that. But yeah i thought who better to make this week's industry star of the week then you in the team at bet makers because i truly believe in what you're doing and i really think that what you and the team have worked tirelessly to put together. And it's going to be coming to fruition. I don't want to steal your thunder but you have worked tirelessly for more than a year now. I think this is going to be so good for the sport of thoroughbred racing. So take it away film in thanks. I mean we do too and that's a it has been great for our business but it's also a library because everyone at bit mike is as we've seiken before and as i'm sure everybody who's listening. Can i can tell where pretty good australian accent wearing valley vice company and being passionate rising followers for all of our laws lucky enough to work in this industry and also now lucky enough. Is you say the hopefully of Done something that can be Significant change and significant benefit for the industry. I believe we thought we fixed betting coming into play in a whole new. A whole new source of wagering revenue to the industry which with wrought modeling than Filters back down to All the participants the horsemen and everybody. Who's involved in this game of Of racing Based on a similar model that was introduced into australia public. Ten to twelve years ago when On wagering was deregulated and again same thing. That's the document up su All the Older loss watching varieties sports spitting writers. Whatever you want to define it and in that in that time in australia we've saying adopting the handle on racing Obviously this is a subject to inflationary seager but in general non visit a doubling of of doubling handle racing into intern a double a doubling the laws money which is you know obviously one of the guards to Bid to the health of the whole industry side. Hopefully this is With the legislation getting through the senate and now on the governor's desk to be sawn This is the starting point of that. that price happening in the us. Yeah it's great that this has advanced to the governor's desk and hopefully governor phil murphy will put his signature on there before too long. I know you're expecting that signature sometime in the next week to ten days. Is that fair to say well. Fingers crossed yes Oh yeah budget way here in new jersey. I've got the politicians one. Not more things on there are the but we've We've we've been getting through now where we sort of like fingers crossed that we can be full steam ahead for governor murphy to be taking the first base Leading into the hostile hype play on the fraud. I before that before haskell weekend and hassle obviously the feature is moments park and that thing on july seventeen these the next month. So that's that's the plan. That's the fingers crossed We've with the With with the legislation dropping. We've also got to put his things to get to filter through with the The the regulatory bodies save the dj and the racing commission but all things being equal and smoothly that sarah hopeful Hopefully we can have the first ceremony obey by governor murphy. Just as he did win the past the laws were repealed may have three or there. Thereabouts and with the whole thing is crossed. It's six dollars. Rising can have some of the success that sports betting don if we can have a more honest for that. It's been a huge success. Obviously we've with the phenomenon that is sports betting on the us for people dallas that are hearing the term fixed odds wagering for the very first time it is indeed exactly what it sounds like fixed. I- wagering will allow betters to basically make a bet and retain the odds at the time of their ba. It's different than parimutuel. Wagering were the fluctuate and it's not final until the actual race goes off. This is very much akin to betting a a future wager. Let's say right where you you get price eight to one ten to one and that's the price you get. If the horse goes down to two to one it doesn't matter you're locked in at that. Eight or ten to one Which is kind of a one of the things that really appeals to me about fixed odds wagering so walk me through the process. You get the approval. Everything's up and running. How are people going to be able to participate. And how does it actually work when somebody goes to make all guys of the what would happen from the lost soccer. The way he candidate morning values moments disease. Ample 'cause moments has been the track. We've they need partnership with. Dennis rises fantastic leadership and as he's been a shawnee in the ladyship pricing and rice the administrators in the united states of america. Naturally i went through boneless mating decide. These saturday Two weeks on isn't the right timing and it's high school die Three weeks so much. Say school die. the fields that have come out on weight inside or there abouts. We've had mach up today and probably wednesday afternoon. Worst case bush guys thursday lunchtime so from that song does markets directive and you have the marketplace so Just is the fiber so that the has still at the moment sotoudeh wa or whatever it is that would be you know. That could have gone up to two to one on the side. I was prices fluctuate around. It's a liquid marketplace. The it's always moving and these play becomes one of the salt is the saudi starts betting it's not just drawn back to the wind but it's also trying to assess the market's moving and whether the horse has gotta show or lengthened way you can then try to get the best price i like you as you say your whole smart ended up going off at even money. But if you've got three to one you put a holistic. Actually you think you've got extra facilities chances to increase the potential so you you the wing and of course then you still comparisons the will to the As an extra segment of the market. It adds an extra Potential for people to bet so. That's great for the customer. The customer thing. The ponta in anything. That's better for a bit better for the consumer is usually better for the Better for the beneficiary of that consumer and these guys is the rising industry side by szekely from the feature eyesight at least for the moment from pretty much not long after the fields. Come out fading out up and wrote that guys all the whites routes until the rice starts and it'd be basically then you just workout plus you want one that showed and zine which is great. That's something this Oh visual for short children's in the other the other dinesh during the rice you blows out so you can end up backing by them and vices them. Going around is a good win for you. If you can play the Getting that raw trust. So it's it's a lot like its stock exchange. Play where you're trying to Boy bought the lowest frost and still at the hospital. So it becomes a lot like that. But obviously you your back you. You're you back in your holes to win and yeah so you can bet all the way up into the rice and Hopefully in the senate is coming forward. I'm i'm on the on the on the horn way. Assigning all massey betting plans you know huge bidding cybele is really really looked into. They flew starting in two year old or something along those lawns He's like you know you you get atmosphere of trading for that. Let's all the way in the late up into the rices. And that's thinking itself creates a lot of and then it creates a great avenue for Full meteorite list like yourself to be talking about the actual movement of money on on horse racing. Which today is what i. What a lot of sizes moya number one type of it so it. It creates a rights marketplace and the grinding sought exciting starting life a whole supply reactor. Because as you say obviously with the type we should type needs to exist in great In in the bidding. Hi system product creates that extra extra level of it so you actually getting across rather than just waiting for the rights to jump. And it's united that they can be great variations in that site to fight it off against each other is a great way of getting to and you know anything you can see from the the ponta mike. It better for the monthly makes a bit of the industry. Where will people be able to make their fixed odds wager willoughby a separate website dallas or it will it be tied into the monmouth website. How does that work well. Well the legislation and idols basically wagering operators and rice strikes to So hold licenses for us. I know using new jersey. As the example i think is sitting on available licenses or something like that for a mom. So amounts in sports betting losses authorizes can can Choose to Of bidding wants to once the lowest approves and older rice strikes themselves have boston's as well. So the right strikes seamless of what's happened with the With the sports fitting schemes. That have gone out there. So that enables them to do that But the good thing is to about the legislation. One thing that we wanted to make. Sure the industry's protected. So you just can't have both mike and the and just betting on everyone's sane when they comment on They copied on civil qazvin us or other content without actually having emotional agreement in place with a track where that's important is to make sure that any revenue every revenues will bidding handled steichen on a on a specific meeting that some of that does go back to the track and they fool the holiest man. And you're not depending on what that sizemore the leaves that feels as an into similar by The revenues collected from from from tight money goes back to the back to the industry and the similar sort of rice yard outright depending on depending on what the site regulations all the way that the rice commissions in the tracks they decided to distribute. That's one of the most important things that happens with this that The boot mike. Just kind of go willy. Nilly bit on consent unless they have a pre existing agreement with the tracks. But yes i basically from new jersey point of view They'll be Whatever wise up right about the jump on board with it and The tracks themselves. If i have to do that To be able to offer that as well too and that's what the the legislation the night league legislation that allows that to happen but the good thing about it is it's an teen opting legislation that If you don't wanna play you don't have to play. So we've just grinding up to takes Particularly industry very well. Yeah it's brilliant. It's an exciting time for racing in new jersey. And i think it's gonna be exciting for other states across the country as well when this is introduced to those other states to have about one minute left dallas before after. Wrap things up. But i will ask you that question about other states. Is that the plan now to start looking at Bringing fixed odds wagering to other other states definitely. Yeah so we've had we've had discussions with lots of the other sites The general position was to watch and see what happened in new jersey Naturally i think that's probably nelson in the next stage is for for us to get it up and running fully functioning But in the meantime we'll be discussing that a lot of the other sites and we say the ag again referring back to the hospital after pasha works at saipan the sites that have been bryce sports betting we'll probably be the most likely site so embrace feed stones bidding hopefully standardized sites only required regulatory interpretation. Which would make the price just a lot. Quicker body fits require legislation high. We really hyped it the model that we've created spain three editing new jersey would be because i think that's fair adviser and operators and more importantly fares for the industry that and make sure that make sure that all the All the boxes of take tonight. Show that All the funding does the right spots. Fantastic dallas baker with bet makers technology group here on the horse racing radio network dallas. Congratulations on getting it to this point. I know it's been a long journey and can't wait to see what the future holds for. Fixed is wagering here in the united states should be exciting nor conway martin. Thanks very much shawn and Yeah look forward to look forward to talking in the coming weeks with people progression. Keep it rolling my friend. Thanks bye dallas baker. Here this week's industry star of the week that is. It is truly something that i think is going to be such a benefit to the sport of thoroughbred racing not just in new jersey but as it rolls out across the country. I think you're going to hear a lot more about six wagering and congrats to the team at bet makers for making it all to come together and dentistry the ceo and chairman up at monmouth park to a really good job. Everybody's part putting that together. When i come back. 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This is steve. kauthen winner. The triple crown nineteen seventy aboard affirmed. And you're listening to the horse racing radio network. Heroes in the world of sports are not uncommon. Often times thrusting themselves into the limelight through unimaginable. Feats that bible woods tiger tiger is back woods. The two thousand nineteen masters jab and breathtaking performances. Here's how you count the a three to one. Eight ta college basketball's championship trophy. It's coming home to kentucky. But behind every great hero there are others individuals who play a crucial role in the achievements of those we read about in the headline the ultimate team players content to stand behind the curtain embracing their place as a vital part of a sports success in horse racing. These are the unsung heroes once again. This morning i do have the privilege of welcoming a true unsung hero. In the sport of thoroughbred racing. He does a job. That many of you may not even know exists but it is vital to the success of our sport and vital to the success of those individuals who do indeed find themselves in the spotlight day in and day out. Please join me in welcoming javier torres. Who has served as the clerk of scales at keeneland and churchill downs for the past several years. It is vital job. And he is with me now. Harvey our first of all. Congratulations on being this. Week's unsung hero. A thank you for having me. And i appreciate you guys thinking about me in in In that manner well. I know you don't look at yourself in that fashion and you were destined to be in horse racing. You come from a racing family but the way that you fell into becoming a clerk of scales that that's been a journey for you. Take me back to the beginning. Tell me the story well like you said you said earlier i i mean i was kind of born into the race. The racing game My dad road races in mexico As you know my older brother retired. jackie A younger brother wrote road races. Horses for you know twenty three twenty four years and You know working in the back there in the morning it's more mostly you know in the morning morning time so i had the afternoons off so i was looking for something to do in the afternoons and i started working at arlington park in the paddock. The panic and i did that for a couple of years and then finally A job in the jackson came. Open the scales and at the time frank. Gaberone junior was the racing secretary in any approach. Me about you know. If i was interested in the position and i said of course so so i applied for it and turn off. I got the job. And i was assistant for a number of years And in my travels you know South for the winter to new orleans. I would stop here in kentucky and i feel a few times for the gentleman who's assistant carcass. Scales here dot church on keelan and And and Eventually the position of scales became available here at kentucky and once again The racing secretary been huffman asked me if i was interested. I said yeah. Of course he said well you know to five hundred and i did and sure enough. I got the job. And that's how. I became the corker scales. Here at church on keeneland and kentucky downs also so It just progress you know. I mean i paid my dues. I you know i work long enough. Where eventually whoever was clerk retired or or move to a higher position. So so that's got to be the scales here at at the kentucky trek so And it's i mean i think. Been the corker skills here. Church on cumin. I i wanna see maybe seventeen seventeen years. Maybe something like that has been here long. Wow i didn't know what had been that long. Yeah yeah. I started no not started counting in for keelan. I started in two thousand and three. So it's been it's been it's been it's been about that many years. So did i read somewhere. Havi era that even before you went down that path in and started working in the racing office and then of course eventually leading to being the clerk scales that you actually spent a little bit of time as a cook in the jocks room to i did. This was when i was i was i was in high school and i was riding horses during the summer at arlington for richard hazleton. Scott hazelton of anchor on tv. I worked for his dad in the morning and I would run during their break. Run up to the jack kitching because every everybody knows the best food any racetrack. Is the jackson kitchen. So i would run up there and get something for breakfast and it happened so when morning The the the young lady who was running the kitchen and gabriel. She was by herself in. She surely had someone in there helping her work and she said she sick. I said well do you need help. And she said gave you. Don't mind that we'll will soon as i get done at the barn. I'll come back and help you man. That'd be great so sure enough. I finished you know my horses doing them up. And i would come came to the kitchen and i put everything i started washing dishes. And and you know cooking burgers or whatever. It was funny. It was fun working in the kitchen. have to be about sixteen years old. Yeah you're not wrong about the best food at any rate track being in the room it. It's amazing you know. And people know there's another thing that people listening to the program right now may not even realize that you know in every jocks from across the country. You're going to have a kitchen where the jockeys can grab some food between the races. Usually it's not a lot because they're trying to keep their weight down but that food is simply outstanding. Exactly exactly yeah. I mean i mean every and everybody you know. All the race packers trainers and owners. They know The best the best food is in action kitchen A little story here and tetra. Thomas and owner He he always always called me. Goes making up there and get a burger. I said yeah come on. I mean they have burgers in the grandstand. But he always wants to get one in jackson. Because i guess he thinks they're better there. I can vouch for them personally. They're pretty good Especially here at keeneland. By the way where jill. Babe does a fantastic job with all of her food. She's incredible What does a clerk of scales. What does the job entail well Everyone thinks right off the bat. Kirk scales that basically that my job is to you know to way the riders before they ride and then the top four finishers act of the race after the race. They think that that's i mean. That's basically all the job entitles and so much more. I mean I'm basically charge of all the jockeys the mature they. They show up on time which is anywhere from thirty to forty dollars on on a daily basis. And then i got. I have thirteen ballots in the ballots. Are the guys that south horses. Primary job is the horses and their secondary jobs to take care of the equipment. Their helmets goggles boots. Make sure everything's clean and everything you know safe and up to par. So i mean you're talking about i mean in the in the room on any given day you know i'm responsible for fifty people you know and There there's a coordinator he he's in charge of maintaining the silks. Make sure they're playing. Make the right still go on the right track for every race so all that falls under my previous so i have to make sure that everything's basically running like a well oiled machine Another another thing that that my job entitles any change scratches ownership corrections. You know equipment changes everything goes through me The stores give me the change. And then i finally it through two different Outlets the press box The press box of the bookkeeper the announcer the tv department Like i said everything that you know you're at the track or if you even if you're not at the track and the little Scrolling thing on the bottom of every race that said you know gives you changes Scratched horses equipment changes. You know overweight at all that goes through gets channel through the through the kirk scales at the end of every race. We have to take down a rundown. Basically we have to put down the order of finish on a on a on a sheet Patient so the bookkeeper knows you know who gets paid what you know as far as jockeys You know who won the race. Who second who served so on and so forth so she can pay them according cloud. Wow there is a lot to it. it's not just weighing jockeys in and making sure that they're that they're the same way that they are after the race that they were before but that that is part of it too. That's an important part of the job. Yeah yeah i. I mean And and everyone always asks you know especially you know people who are new to the game or whatever and they'll see me out by the winner's circle and they'll see me wayne the like the top four finishers and they'll see who you know. Why are you waiting. And why are you in them and and claimed to them that in the program They'll carry different ways for different races depending on the condition of the race. So on and so forth the horses age blah blah blah. so what what. basically what. We're checking for the race is to make sure that they don't come back under that way. That's an a program for example if they're carrying one hundred eighteen pounds. That's the jockey with his saddle so we're making sure that he's not under one eighteen now. They're always going to be over that number because there are certain certain equipment that they don't check with. They don't check with their helmet. They don't check with their safety vests. They don't check with their over earth. That safety it's considered safety equipment. So that doesn't that doesn't count into the way so they're always going to be. You know three two three or four pounds over always and sometimes more when on monday. Where when it's raining they're gonna 'cause they're gonna be soaking wet so what we're basically checking for more than anything is that they don't come back underneath that way. Yeah that they haven't somehow gotten later during the running of the race. Exactly that's that's considered cheating basically and and knock on wood. That's never ever happened. Why was a corporate sales. I hope it never does the last the last time. Something like that occurred I wanted to say was it was in the belmont stakes Maybe ten twelve years ago. Maybe maybe for the back. It was a horse trained by kieran. Mcglasson i believe and i think we're jeep mirage. Where the horse and to make way for the race he had to had a four pound pad which the rubber pad that goes underneath the saddle to make the weight and during the running of the race the had slipped out from underneath. The saddle. Came out so when when we came back to scale he was he was under the weight so he i mean he didn't carry the weight during the running of the race so he got this and i wanna say finished third and got disqualified to last so i mean that's a big deal because you know that's that's that's a good amount of money for the owner you know and he and for the jockey to and caused carrying too but they went back and reviewed the film the pad accidentally slipped out so The jockey you know nobody got in trouble for. It was just a mess up. So that's the last time. I can recall something like that happened. Just incredible talking with a man who is indeed true unsung hero in our sport. that is happier torres. The longtime clerk of scales here in kentucky he works at keeneland he works at churchill. Downs and you heard him say he works at kentucky downs and talk about all the different jockeys that you're responsible for in the different ballots. That are all kind of underneath your watch if you will if you wanna look at it in that fashion one thing that's very unique about thoroughbred racing is that when for example the nfl both teams at halftime. We'll go back to a separate locker room. That doesn't happen. In horse racing. All of the competing jockeys are in the same room together. You ever have to be a a referee when the competition that he did. Yeah yeah yeah. You know what. I'm not gonna i'm not gonna sugar coat it. Yeah i mean like you said In any other sports teams both to their own locker room separately. You know i. I mean in our sport you know the competing jockeys you know after races. They come back to the same locker room so you know if someone feels like they they got. Maybe you know squeezed a little or you know. Put it in a tight spot. You know i mean you know. Yeah they they come back and and sometimes you know the the argument gets heated. And you know. I personally i. I don't condone any you know fighting in the room. I mean sometimes. I you know i'm i'm walking back to the room and i come back in. You know they tell me all you know the little scraps. I never saw it or whatever but in my presence i don't allow it. I don't like it to happen. You know i mean act can happen. And you know i mean they. It can get get serious. So i don't condone it to say that it doesn't happen. I'm not gonna lie it. It does because you know. I mean they're out there competing on on these horses going thirty five forty miles an hour. I mean you can easily get hurt or killed. I mean you know it's it's not. It's not something where you could take very lightly you know and i i can imagine being in a race getting put in a tight spot and you know i mean almost going down or something i mean you've got to be on needles needles and it's gotta shake you up you know so yeah i do i mean sometimes you know they just basically words or you know you know. Why did you do this back. And forth. And you know and and like i said in my presence i don't i don't i don't allow them to fight because you know they're like oh yeah let them do it no i i just i don't believe in it i don't like it. I don't like to see that you know but to say that it happens in like i said if it happened before i get back to the room or after is not my presence you know. I don't know i didn't see it. But you know i i don't know but you gotta you gotta understand like i said they're out there competing in it mean they can be down in hurt and and it's dangerous. You know so. I mean you could understand how how high the you know the the the level of their adrenaline. And it's gotta be you know. And i mean to turn it on and off. You know it's not. It's not easy. I can't i can't believe it's easy. So yeah i mean i am a referee. I mean one occasion during the breeders puppy churchill and i mean it was on national television. Have your salon cowan burrell. I mean they had you know there was situation there and i mean they started swinging at each other and i was caught in the middle and i think they hit me more than they hit each other but Yeah on occasion i. I got to be a referee. So yeah and i've seen you do your job. I've been fortunate enough to sit in the jocks room We do a lot of interviews with jockeys leading up to big races. And you're always a tremendous help to us. That is another one of your jobs. You work with the media. Horse racing radio network. Nbc tv g. Whoever it might be. That's looking to coordinate some type of interview with jockeys. You're the one who oftentimes goes back into the room gets. Jackie brings them out gets them to the area. They need to be handles a lot of those timings to. Yeah yeah yeah. I mean that is part of the job to and and i think i think i think it's good and i think and i tried to tell these young jocks in or even jockeys these jockey that come from you know South american countries that you know their english isn't that great. I i tell them. Listen you need to work on your on. You know speaking english learning english. You know so those those opportunities that you get to be interviewed. I mean you're well-spoken in people's understand what you're saying you know i mean it's it's it's only going to benefit them and it's gonna benefit all of you know in the in the industry you know what i mean. I mean basically the rock stars of of of of the game you know. They're the stars so any positive light that we can you know promote and and get out there. I think it's a plus. Plus you know and you guys i mean. Of course i mean you guys are putting you know our our industry. You know you're putting it out there to to the masses. So i mean and you guys are all effective or with you michelle. Everybody you know like you said. Nbc you know so. It's a pleasure to work with you guys because you guys are trying to make us look good. Make the industry look good and you know and and show you know. Show the betting public. You know the fans you know what we're about you know. Yeah i appreciate you saying that. And likewise to it's always a delight to work with harvey torres who is this week's unsung hero. Presented by clayborn era. Cut more questions before we wrap up this segment here. This morning After would you say seventeen years or so of being the clerk scales at at keeneland in the kentucky tracks here do you view yourself as more of a a father figure to some of the younger riders that come in there and you're teaching them You know about the way that they're gonna to handle themselves or is it more a brother figure where. You're you're almost Brother to brother when you're talking to them you know. I guess it depends. I mean because it's such a vast group of guys in their jockeys You know they're their ages ranged. From i i gotta jock as i think yesterday an apprenticeship just wanna raise things like sixteen seventeen years old and then i got the older doxa john court who i mean you know you know. He's a few years older than me. But you know. He's he's a veteran rock. And i mean the ultimate professional so i mean what can i teach john that he you know that he doesn't already know but yeah i mean to the older guys. Yeah they're more. Like you know. Like brothers like a coronary or rob alvarado those guys. 'cause we're we're closer in age but these young writers. You know the tyler. Gaffney owns Door tease boys. You know it's guys like that. You know if if i can if i see that they need to you know hold on something or tapping into something. Yeah i you know. I'll tell me if i see this. You know you know you should try. This is my you might help you or whatever you know as far as and not not not necessarily a writing point of view or whatever because i never road races but anything since like like i said English you know the better your english. It's only gonna help you. You know there's some of these jock did Like i said they that they don't put that extra effort to learn how to speak. Better english you know and you know it's only gonna help them. It's gonna help their business you know and so they do get interviewed there. Well-spoken people are understanding. And you know they're making that extra effort so stuff like that you know you know always be courteous you know say thank you and stuff like that you know just stuff that that might seem like a small thing but you know it's it's it goes a long way when they do it you know so we've started this segment talking about the fact that there are plenty of people that are tuned in that. Don't even know that there is a clerk of scales at a race track. And i think now they do. If somebody comes to you how the asked you about being a clerk of scales. What what are you going to tell them that. The the number one greatest thing is about being the clerk scales man. there's there's there's so many You know what honestly the my dad always said he said if you do what you love is not work. And and he's right. I mean because i i love. I love being at the race. The horses of course is our number one. I mean i think we're all in this industry for the love of the horse. I mean you you got and you take the none of us are there. Jockeys myself racing officials. I mean you guys have nothing to cover. So i mean we're there for the horse and and just being around the horses into being at the track is the best now my job. Personally i mean i get i get the hang out with these with these. You know. unbelievable. I mean they are. I mean tom. Per pound the best athletes. I you know. And they're great guys great people. I mean they're family. You know. I mean we're we're a family we really are. I mean i started thinking about it. I mean i probably spend more time in in the jackson with the jackson valid. And the guys. I work with then. I do my own family. I mean it you know. And so how could they not be considered family. When i spend time with you know so and we are we. Are you know they're closed. Yeah it gets heated but trust me at the end of the day they have respect for each other you know. Everybody congratulates everybody. Everybody you know. It's it's it's fun to be in a room you know and yes it's it's serious business work with. We have fun in there. We have you know we got some practical jokers in there and you know they played jokes and it's fun it's fun you know what it said. Brotherly come commodity that that you know that unites everybody in the end. It's fun you know. I mean who who look. We get paid to go and have fun. Who has they love. They love writing. You know biggest if you ask ninety five ninety seven percents of them if they do it for nothing they say yep we they'd 'cause they love riding horses you know yeah. Yeah who's the biggest prankster in the jacksonville. Ooh the biggest prankster. Let me think let me think At at it right now Kalomo pretty tunnel like he likes to. He likes to play Coronary and this is pretty good now. He can't take it very good but he likes dish it out And trust me. Everybody likes to get corey. Because he's so easy so easy to get so There's a couple of pretty good. I mean yeah. Fantastic stuff javier torres. This week's unsung hero presented by clayborn. Havi are listen man. Congratulations on this. Honor here. this morning and Keep up the wonderful work This sport cannot function without your job and without your dedication and efforts and everything you do. So congratulations and keep it rolling my friend man. Thank you so much. thank you so much for. I mean to say unsung hero. And i mean it sounds good in you know. I'm just. I'm just a small part in in a big brother and you know we all have the game and you got to do and keep it real. You're the best heavier torres here. Unsung heroes presented by clayborn. I'll be right back after this word from claiborne. Farm demarchelier offers readers rare opportunity. His pedigree includes nine breed one winners under the first three dance including classic winner. Galileo crow. A tv and rising star at two. He went on to capture. Victories at kema med belmont including the green three point nine ridge stakes by sire of sires new bowie whose top sons include the sensational sired night of thunder. The only stallion by do volley in kentucky marcia gay standing at claiborne farm. A what a fun segment. That was if you missed it. You can go back and check out the podcast later after the show on our website horse racing radio dot net and again my thanks to claiborne and to heavier torres for making that one possible here this morning if you know someone you feel should be an unsung hero. You can nominate them by sending me an email. Mike at horse racing radio dot net. Somebody you feel needs to be recognized as doing great work behind the scenes. Send them to me. I will do my best to have them on this unsung heroes segment in the weeks and the months ahead. I'm back to take you on a stroll through racing history with kurt becker. When i return. This is the equine forum. All it takes it takes is one race to start a legacy legacy the breeders cup challenge series worldwide. Races glenn utech stop chances to earn an automatic berth. All expenses and fees paid learned. Comes into the front on amazon to the breeders. Cup world championships. We're a share of thirty one million dollars in purses and awards weight as an owner. I love the breeze cup winning. You're in serious. You can get a free entry into the breeders cup and everybody wants to run into breeders cup rice automatic. Berth takes a lot of pressure off the breeders cup challenge series win. And you're in is probably the best thing that's happened to raising in the last ten years. Hey everyone it's the baron with this week's north of the border report presented by woodbine entertainment in this week's report. I'll tell you about updated post times preview. Today's grade three trillium steaks and continue down the path to the play watching wager. A world class racing from woodbine racetrack thursday through sunday with the following post times on thursday. Post time is one twenty. Pm eastern fridays. It's four fifty pm and saturday and sunday. The first race goes at one twenty pm eastern in today's trillium stakes for fillies mares. Four year olds and up dual hall of fame trainer mark. Cassie seeks his third win in the grade. Three event and he'll have three opportunities to complete his hat-trick crystal glacier dot kirwin has assembled a record of three wins and a second from nine career starts for live oak plantation heavenly kirwin also a daughter of caroline will no doubt appreciate a return to the woodbine tavita owned vicary. Barbara and john oxley. Before you're all bay rhymed off. Three consecutive triumphs at the toronto oval and twenty twenty including a five and three quarter length romp in the gray three maple leaf stakes on november seventh and finally sky gaze who has contested. Five of her nine career starts at woodbine returned to canada on a three race win streak that began last fall in ontario. In this week's path to the plate segment. We focus on three-year-old title forces for trainer gal cox following his recent mile and a sixteenth allowance. Optional claiming win the striking sam son. Farm home-bred now finds himself pointed to the historic on august. Twenty second listed at fifty to one. In the queen's plate winterbrook the ontario bread has now stamped himself as a legitimate contender. And that's your north of the border report for this saturday morning for more updates in racing information visit woodbine or follow along on twitter at woodbine. Tb i am lia germany and i love listening to the horse racing radio network. You're listening to the equine forum on the horse racing radio network brass hats coming on now. They strength no stress driving brat. Dubs perfect drift on the outside perfect drift. Run by them all at the pool. Perfect drift there that opens up quickly by three buzzards bay brass hat per charge from bob. Seek big shot perfect drift. Seek out of the outside of perfect drift. Hit to close on knows. A part of the stephen foster into one forty nine in one a late charge from the bomb. Luke crash late luke. Cry with the call of that race. Was the two thousand. Six running of the stephen foster seek gold golden kevin barral coming from far back at odds of ninety one to one to upset perfect drift brass hat and all the other contenders buzzards bay was actually the favorite in that race. Remember buzzards bay. I remember seek goal. We were sitting out backed by the paddock area. Doing the broadcast of that race. It was one of the first. Ever times we had broadcast race from churchill downs in the infancy of hr n. And to see seek gold. Who is trained. Then by ron mo- come flying at the end. What a thrilling finish that was. And it's a day. I will never forget the dollar win. Pay out one hundred eighty five dollars and forty cents on seek gold. Not bad for two dollar win. Bet seat gold. Calvin barral ramo quit. They're all part of racing history. Considering that upset in the stephen foster and that leads me into this week's edition of kurt bekker's stroll through racing history on kurt becker. Thanks for joining me as i take. Another stroll racing history presented by lanes end and she feet twenty eight rivals to win the richest race of the year. And one of the biggest fields ever assembled for a stakes race in the united states. Her name was mother deuce and later today. The new york racing association will remember her with the sixty third running of the mother. Goose stakes belmont park a brown filly who was described as blocking not particularly big athletic mother. Goose was folded in nineteen twenty two her owner and breeder was harry payne whitney a member of america's aristocracy whose father had served as secretary of the navy during the first grover cleveland administration whitney known for his integrity and described by damon. Runyon as the first american sportsman had already enjoyed considerable success with home breads in nineteen fifteen. His filly regret a daughter. A broomstick had become the first staffer ever to win the kentucky derby and now in nineteen twenty four his billy mother. Goose was emerging as one of the top juvenile fillies on the east coast. Mother goose broken track record on debut and have grace in maryland. In april of her two year old season she would prove that effort was not a fluke when she won the fashion stakes later that spring at belmont park followed by a runner up. Finish at belmont in the astoria on july fourth as the late summer campaign unfolded. All eyes turned to belmont in september. For the running of the futurity stays with a purse of seventy five thousand dollars. It was the richest race of the year in north america and it would pay sixty five thousand dollars to the winner. A total of twenty nine juvenile's entered the event to be contested. Six furlongs whitney had won the futurity on four prior occasions but never with a philly and a home bred. Filly at that mother. Goose would be part of a three four century. Trained by james. Row for whitney that day at odds of six to one the philly broke sharply state in the first light of traffic throughout the sprint and won by a head over longshot stimulus before a crowd of twenty five thousand still. There were critics mother. Goose had only one hundred fourteen pounds while others had carried as much as one twenty-seven she had barely held off a fifty to one outsider in the vinyl strives the winners of the whole the saratoga special the sanford the spent away and the adirondack had not even been in the lineup result of injuries in some cases and ineligibility and others yet history has proved that mother goose's win in the nineteen twenty four belmont futurity over twenty eight rivals was truly remarkable in a race which dates to eighteen. Eighty eight is still held annually. To this day she remains one of only thirteen phillies ever to win the belmont maturity and her impact on the freed as evidenced by her status as direct maternal ancestor of leading sire halo and superstar. Not dancer today. The sixty third running of the mother goose stakes go to the post at belmont contested as a great to abet for a purse of three hundred thousand dollars. Some of the greatest. Billy's in the sports history have won the race name such as ruffians. Gopher one serena's song and in two thousand nine in her first start winning the preakness rachel. Alexandra won the mother. Goose tom durkin gives us the call. I'll grueling pace from album prayer and flashing. They're still head to head for the aid. To links behind them looms preakness winner. Rachel adds actually goes there. She goes between horses and without sites of trust. It's rate cho- alexandra can now. They're turning it on kelvin. Barral cuts those and she's pouring it on in a dazzling display here. Nothing left for the other. Two coming down to the final sixteenth of a mile. Her march greatness continues rachel. Alexandra wins margin. Was almost twenty second. Time was one forty six and one five seconds. And that's a new record in a race which at the time was still contested at a mile. Innovate rachel alexandra. One by nineteen and a quarter lengths it stakes record of one minute. Forty six point three three seconds. Ask for mother. Goose herself she was nominated to the preakness the kentucky derby and the kentucky oaks as the three year old in nineteen twenty five. Yep she never returned to the races after her sensational campaign still. She owns one of the most memorable victories ever recorded by north american juvenile. The new york racing association remembers today. And we join them in saluting legacy. Please join me again next week as i take another stroll through racing history presented by lanes in and keenly for hr. I'm hurt becker Great stuff and we remember mother goose on this day as kurt alluded to the mother goose stakes taking place at belmont park always highlight of the summer racing season. At least for me as somebody who grew up watching the racing in new york and seeing the triple t era remember that was what the acorn the mother goose and the coaching club. American oaks the triple crown for fillies in new york. It was Really an unbelievable series. Not like that anymore. Unfortunately but the mother goose still tremendous racing. Wonderful stuff by kurt becker. If you want to hear all kurtz stroll through racing history segments through available via podcast on our website horse racing radio dot net. Just click on the shows tab at the top of the homepage and you can go back and listen to all of them at your leisure. I'm back with more this equine forum on the horse racing radio network your home for racing's biggest events the national. Hp is continuously working to protect the health and welfare of horses by advocating and funding research to help reduce see quite injuries. 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And indeed conversations with the biggest names in racing jockeys trainers owners more plus h. r. n. is committed to helping disabled riders through their support of the pd so climb aboard a winner today by visiting horse racing radio dot net dorado. An i listened to. Hr are and you're listening to the equine forum on the horse racing radio network. Welcome back mike. Berna the backdraft. Happy to have you with me getting ready to wrap up our number two huge third hour program coming up though. Plenty more conversation about the stephen foster program and so much more. I will tell you about that momentarily. But as i like to do in the segment every week it's time now to take a look at some notable dates in racing history on this june twenty six than it was thirty five years ago. That jockey. Sandy hawley won his five thousandth career race aboard mighty massa at canterbury downs that came on june twenty-sixth nineteen eighty-six june twenty-sixth nineteen ninety-two jockey. David gaul became the eighth rider in history to ride six thousand winners when road. Nana's nice boy to victory at fairmount park in one thousand nine hundred four on this very day jockey. Chris mccarron road career winner. Number six thousand win and disdain one the milady handicap at halloween. Hollywood park he was the eleventh rider to reach six thousand and the thirty youngest behind. Bill shoemaker and laffit pincay junior and one more -fornia june twenty-sixth two thousand hall of fame. Trainer lucien laurin conditioner of nineteen seventy-three triple crown winner. Secretariat died at the age of eighty eight. That's going to do it for the first two hours of today's show. Plenty more to come our three kicks off with this edition of in the room with sean clancy. His unique one. On one jockey to jackie conversation this week with jockey. Jose for rare at ten twenty five. I welcome in two times. Stephen foster winning trainer dallas stewart looking to complete the hat-trick later today and in the final segment of today's show. We go down the road to the breeders cup with trainer fausto gutierrez he prepares the saddle the ultra talented lotrowska later today in the florida league. If your station is leaving us at this time you can continue listening at horse. Racing radio dot net and in the louisville kentucky market on. Espn six eighty or on your computer or mobile device. Our three the forms next ten second pause for facial identification. This is h. r. n. From the rail to your radio fierce is the horse racing radio network ticket. Second quarter into the final furlong. There will be a fourth jewel in the crown. He's a credit to the american. Pharaoh has belted a grand slam in the breeders cup classic. Welcome to the equine forum other. It's wondering he'll go to work. He's the horse of the year was forgettable performance in the is world cup. 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From what eight nine ten years ago. It's out there for you head back and listen to them whenever you get some time. If you're driving around pot them up bluetooth him in your car. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Follow us on social media to hr twitter horse racing radio network on facebook and on instagram. Here's the poll question today. If your goal is to win a breeders cup race in november which horse would you rather have right now. Lotrowska or max 'field now. Both of those horses are heavy. Fortify morning line favorites for the rest of races later today. Lotrowska in the floor. Max field in the stephen foster. It's an interesting question i'm really. I'm curious as he. This all plays out in the very end because you lotrowska could very well. Now be the leader in that distaff. Division she already has the winning. You're in by winning. The phipps innermost most recent. Start monoploy girl would be a handful for the truce guy. At least you would think although the already beat her wants this year. But i think in a rematch. You give the edge to the altar tough alter talented monoploy girl but true ska just continues to get better and better and better so it's interesting if modern white girl doesn't come back lotrowska very well could be the horse to beat and if you're trying to win breeders cup race that's always a good thing max yield on the other hand as good as he is now. Six for seven. Lifetime is only loss coming in march in the grade one santa anita handicap. We'll have to contend with a couple of very talented stablemates of his lead. So much stablemates. Because they're not with the same trainer but the same owners anyway. Godolphin mystic guide. What are the dubai world cup. Who was probably at the top of this older horse division right now. I think you'd have to say that. That's legit in the central equality. Who won the ballon steaks. And by the way. Don't forget about hot rod. Charlie who will also be pointed out assume. Twitter run in the breeders cup classic. So mac field has in my opinion a tougher path to being a breeders cup winner. And of course that's all based on my girl not making it back for the breeders cup november. She is currently on the sidelines. But we know she can bounce back. She's done before and she can bounce bounce back very quickly. Interesting question h. r. n. on twitter horse racing radio network on facebook. If he don't social media you can email me your answers to the to the poll question. Mike a horse racing radio dot net all right coming up here hour. Three begins within the room with sean clancy. He sits down with. Monmouth park's leading writer. Jose ferrer then. I welcome in trainer. Dallas stewart to talk about going for a third stephen foster leaders later today and the road to the breeders cup with fausto gutierrez joining me to talk about lotrowska. That is all ahead. But it begins with this week's edition of in the room with sean clancy presented by this is horse. Racing dot com. This is in the room with sean. Clancy sean plant. And i'm in the room. Jackie jose ferrer in a career that began in nineteen eighty-two zafer are still going strong winning fifty two races so far in two thousand twenty one standing atop the mama parche standings and climbing ever closer to five thousand career wins at fifty seven day. Living proof that age is just a number. Welcome to the show. Hey how you doing guys guys this to me. I mean the movie star also with the movies here. Hey you know nice to meet you guys. Thank you so much to get me. She'll appreciate how it's great to have you back to the beginning growing up in puerto. Rico how did you become a jockey. Was that something you always wanna do or your family was involved. They're having that all come back. Your phone was call collins up a senior. My cousin killed sixty lopez A couple of more. Eric lumper's stadium up as we like five six riders and a family. I'm pretty much again involved through my uncle. He's open the door for all of. Wow we know those names. I mean those are i. Comic means in our sports so following them along when you were a kid just growing up wanting to be a jockey. Is that how that you just like found them here. Believe you wanna be a baseball player. I mean we all did we all man who at it. now i don't have the hikes at all to be You know baseball players. I become riding pharma steps. That was on. Because i always wanted you baseball player. Jackie for eleven. So five feet tall. So i might as well stick it on. Were please below. You know because my and so we've got a good king for sure. Did you ride in puerto rico or did you come to american. I start reading here. No i can't even more part ninety two. I was in puerto rico for a little bit not too much so here took them all. He got me here. jersey to we're going say on. That's i phrase right and Here making to come apart and they come easy it was. It was a tough getting started. Or was that you have doors kind of open for what was that like. That was tough kind of if you know you know you gotta be big time i you have you know pretty much foundation or you know lay the ground from there will really hot and hopefully you know people open to go for you but you know you gotta work and hot any anything you wanna do more. You know you gotta hot it. Yeah of course. And you've worked hard to get where you're and take us through those years. You've been very consistent staying mostly new jersey and Tampa bay downs. I guess for the most part no place. But even i'm i. I'm jersey in jersey to philadelphia for we used to be a well role. Start beginning beginning eighty to kissing racetrack and they tend to name to part. I know spark regime. But i wrote a couple of years here. I roll fires in cargo. You know these calls. I went to a call used to be called her better miami. I was there for another five years so more. All these goals are always calls me way when i was in power a out track so they knew me ways Open minnesota. wow you know what. I mean Yeah All these tracks you know be you know i used to be. You know you know kind one Once a week i was doing. I was running and In the bridge in islands to so place on ily england. Yeah you followed the circus right. That's what i tell me about it as little as great spirits you got to me you know different culture different states being people you know what i mean Yappier until different full environment is it you know. I think he's great experience. You know to meet You know be via part of you know people culturism stuff is really great and you're still going strong and fifty seven. Is that something you always expect it or do you just kinda take day by day. What's that like a journey. I put a time or year a moment. You know. I wanna be riding tire. No i just go to do myself you know. I've got two children beautiful wife you wife. She's beautiful and got two beautiful kids. I got fire all. Joey i gotta say real derek There's pretty much fuming. I always call my you know any funny my kids and my wife. Give me me the excitement and now see my kids enemy. I get really fired up. Ryan my to drink now. Seaman dance given how he's a gaming this individual. I'm just You know got middle stairs. Human strength on on all the community voice. Fill me fluids That's gonna keep me going. I love like. I don't know why retires. Wanna keep going. You know there by dame joined myself working hard. 'cause i work at heart a work out. I twice a day every single day. You know got me. Jim house like tom mon jim here. We're going to junction. I work in your mom's university. My follow is Is acquitted money there so outfits. Jim here so i was always trying to work out every day. And what what i am. I was trying to do something you know. Wait rum right bites. I like to live a lot. do you know. don't wait. that's what i love to how you keep up with these young kids. I guess right well try to keep all these days. You know like the the like puts out with the kids. Hey you gotta were heart you work law but you know a lot of kids you know instagram's in a facebook go out you know what time for that so You wanna work out actually do you. You're your heart you body later on when you're my age. You real awry. You compete. so that's what i'm doing. have to work. the heart is completely you younger them. The you know twenty four year and then myself. That's why i gotta do harder to work. But you know i. I love to compete. You know what i mean. Tom brady tom coyne. He's you know quarterback ready scored by forty two years old computer guys. You know twenty years. You only him so You know focus. Now you know what i mean so That's my goal. you know. Keep working hard. And take pity and joy. I love what are you doing what i'm doing myself do my family around me so pretty much. Just my foundation right now. You can hear it in your voice that enthusiasm. You're off to a great start momma and and this year mammoth. They've instituted basically whipless racing where you can only use it as a safety device. How has that affected. Your ryan is that is that changed. How you riders. That is that actually been a benefit to the way you're right. I think benefit to me. Because i came. Come back in eighties when you know when i start riding you know people are. You know riders They used to write you. Don't see barely heated with. They pretty much wasn't a beta position. I'm ri- you mean. Held the hoarder. The rains you know like five day or talkable part but then you can do all the great writer. You'll see them then. Never hit cpap a lame horse and right the man he's gonna he knows you're gonna be going sixty miles to handwrite it. Bam bam maybe smart you know it was it was to be of was like to you know last minute you wanna be waking waking up harder than hoses. So that was you know we. You know the is bugging as much to days to Use the you know. Let lives asham. I would say sure enough not enough. We've go through stink bomb in a response and they give you only get so basically. I was brought up that way now when they're being used rule year. It'll hurt me much because i know it was a a you know whippings writer whenever lecture. Yeah you know. I wanna fuck december. I used to be a final. You all gonna hit your head so you know. Believe him up and you believe in doing because you know he's like i was out with you know. Have a by them. If you hit a two three times response you hit a twenty times even more than what he did you know but you know some of the different but you know eighty five percent of the horses respond like two three time full bang. Don't wanna even more been an animal for you know you know so. I can't do that school now when they stopped the with. And i'm pretty much. What i'm doing kim us down. I'm thinking an my eighty you know. But i'm a that's what i'm doing just hammering. You know my style now. I know enough to do that after sure. Have you seen any difference in the racing. Horses thing straight or is there is the affiliates any safer. What's it been like minister. Bizzare made any difference. I'll be honest that'd be honest A little safety day be because wayne you he goes. You tend to lose your race a little bit. And when they host react to the game out you don't see that too much now you know host. Yeah you know what. I mean about the way thing when they hit something somebody punch you want something you move that way when the impact coming from so i don't see all see less moving around you know host ducking real heart outside inside from the whip. You don't feel pretty bad. I mean The only thing you hobbies up I mean you know you trust to pay people like you know. We hear the basketball game. You got thirty seven you coach. You guys thirty six. You know last quarter in the nfl. You go guys. I want all out you know You see a boxing match last wrong. Of course can't you say frazier on it'd be gay once. I wanted everything that's why at thinking. That's how we not. How not every horse. You know as much as you re yet with way. 'cause i was believed know the the we have that tool to all come in occasionally horse people Always got the whole thing of we. Real all you'd be the always doorman you'd be the horse way to communicate you. Send them because this is not a horse. So he's not like a dog you say fit said gonna still your animal when you're Raanan thirty five miles an hour. You know why they're so. We use to communicate with animals. Hey it's time to go and then you have the race who hold go back and the other thing to communicate signal you all right. So who is your yet so you don't so that's hobby meet until you've always. Is somebody gonna win. Somebody rose me so Yes that's about online. I wish we have a he. Looks like like top by six. Six six you can. You can post your horse. Me should've to something that you know it went for you. Know fifteen twenty times evil completely Out so you know this like you know. I mean a avenue between you know you can push me twenty dollars now. You can push me hockey play hockey. You monkey chatterbox the. Let's play hockey. Nobody does each other. Okay guys even all the puck nobody no contact all full both know that no play five foot flat football. You truly too much too much right. It was my personal opinion. I would agree with that. It was a bit of an extreme this going from open open policy to nothing and probably there was a happy medium between but it has been interesting to watch the races. I hear you think the horses do seem like they're running a little bit straight or you don't seem weaving around as much as maybe some tracks. I think it's been interesting Thinking about it really quite twice one clean fowl putting a gate that bubbling turns. 'cause right of the you know the whole the rings because you know they can way so people make better decisions. I think you know my freshman. You know aggressive where you've been stick to to the field. You've been more aggressive more fan. You hit rains lose because no matter what you were you are where you put your up. You push your host to a week to go the race going to get what i'll say your. How many talented. Your you rent is going to be updated lose. 'cause he called him. Prince william the twins so little different so you hit one. Rain is probably tango. It'd be so now hosts yet and so like going out. So you'll you'll see that i don't i don't see you probably see them a lot. We don't have the ship length. Lot right yeah. I i would agree with that. It's finishing to watch. What are they when you look back at your career or almost. Five thousand wins. Four thousand five hundred seventy two races. Which an unbelievable number your forty fifth all-time one behind the great don brumfield when you look back at your career. How much do you account to lock. And how much of it is. Hard work Libby both you know seen between both you know you always go to pay. But they used to. They used to have us as better. Be lucky than good. You know be like he's you know it's between you have to but you have to work hard to you. Have to These how the foundation to To get some kind of goals in life you know. I wouldn't be the best. I want to win a bunch of races but yet it will hard. You have to be lucky to. But he's he's better. Be looking good so you have no luck and work hard. You know a little bit of both. I guess right. It'd be both may be more. I'll be leaving. You know a few years. You know my favorite still showing. You know me How many how many. Oh you can't do another when we got our city that he's great he's great to be. 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Tiptoe down yet fox sports and for describing the final count onto with seeking seeking that saw posture. Welcome back to the forum here on h. r. n. That is a pair of stephen foster. Victories for trainer dallas stewart. He looks for number three later today with chest. Chief who is One of the main players against max field in that mile and an eighth test will see if he can pull it off. He is with me now. Here on the horse racing radio network. We'll see what he thinks. Dallas welcome my friend. Hey mike how's long but it's good pal. How're you excellent. Would you think number. Three in the cards would chess chief. Or what i hope. So he's He's proven he's proven warrior. So we're hoping that the mylan and be a little better for them than it was about sixteen and the al. She'll yeah he's been beaten a couple of times this year. By max 'field he'll have to turn the tables on that rival and several others. But you know it's not like he's been embarrassed. He's finished third behind him both times. And in the mine shaft and the fairgrounds whose only beaten three and three quarter length is the distance enough to make up that ground on a horse like knoxville. Hopefully hopefully johnny video shake him up a little bit. So i'm going to try. He's very good horse. So we'll see when you come into a race like this dallas and you have pulled off a lot of upsets you've saddled a lotta horses that have run big when it didn't seem like they were going to Chess chief certainly looks like a contender in here. But when you approach a race like this where there's a heavy favourite what's your mindset going into the race. Well you hope that you've made a step forward like we said. We hope that the distance is a little more beneficial for you. Know then if You know maybe max villa be offer staff you know you just don't know you hope match up good some way somehow but it's comes down to a horse race. Maybe we'll have a better trip than maybe you know a few things. Maybe we're going to get better. Just you know flat out beating so it could go all kinds of ways. That's why that's why we run them. I mean it's a big person. Six hundred thousand interest even foster so sure worked to try. Yeah winning. you're in for the breeders cup classic. He's gonna from the rail but he has a guy on his back. That knows that racetrack and certainly knows how to work out. A good trip from the rail. Tell me more about Going johnny here. Well we're we're glad to have him and just worked out like that. Science has been rodney. But he's at the ohio. Derby and johnny was available and we jumped right on. Glad glad to have him hoping that matchup good inform. What things are you seeing from chess chief since the alysheba that makes you think. He's sitting on a big effort. You know he's just a a strong consistent. Horse trains hard eats good. Looks good all the time so He's just a constant constant racehorse. Yeah he is all racehorse in. He's in the hands of the very capable dallas stewart. Who is You know just continues to click along dallas. I don't know what the secret is man but year in and year out you send them out and they just run well we show up show up and train them. We got a great staff. Have some guys. It's been a long time twenty years thirty years seventeen years. You know a lot of the same people that say they're in it out you know. It's a big big help chess. Chief is not the only horse. You're going to have on the saturday program. We also send out Lansdowne in the bashford manor. Tell me a little bit. More about lansdowne. Well we weren't that surprised when he want. He's very fast horse. He worked really well ran. Good and you can look at his work habits. Been working well since His made for and he should show up and run hard a good two year old race but he's a very professional type cold so that's going to help him out also. How long did it take you to know that he could run a little bit when you first got him into your barn. He was just solid in his like he came in prepared very well With the group. And i he he. He continued to be the other colts in the morning and he showed up nice with strong works. Passwords was extremely fast leaving the gates. So that's what it takes to your racist. We're kind of working backwards here. But you have star in my dreams in the seventh race. Which is the war chance stakes. Jose ortiz has the call. Tell me about star in my dreams. Well we were just hoping that it would rain. Come off if it if it doesn't look like it's gonna rain We'll take that horse to the indiana derby. So he probably won't run just hoping for rain. we're happy. I don't think going to get that. And i should say starring in my dreams. There are two. I ns in the middle there starring in my dreams Pointing to the indiana derby. You know dallas when you think about your two wins in the stephen foster and we just heard those clips coming out of the commercial break but macho again seeking the soul. I mean these were two horses that proved to be really really good. Did you know all along when i got him into your barn that you were sitting out some good horses with those two. Well actually macho again was a little bit tricky. He was kind of lazy horse. Wouldn't work that fast but he he I started running right from the get go. First time we ran him. I think he ran. Second maybe You know he was just very you know right spot on not in the morning but more so in the afternoon so Hey the almost be rachel. Alexandra don't forget about that. Great race motives rain which took down the rafters grad saratoga. That day on more jumping. It might happen but Anyhow that's right he was a real. Nice horse yeah. He was almost ad in the. I think it was was it the where the woodward woodward and he was a good horse and Thinking us all. I mean he was second in the pegasus. He came in though he was really fast He was the two year on training sale and didn't really get no no bids on so chuck capping and the guys liked him and send me meant to train and You know. I think he ran. Second the first time He didn't start. I don't know if you started at three or he started late too but You know he clicked it off right off the bat to also. Isn't that incredible. How many times did we hear that story. Dallas that horse goes to the auction ring doesn't attract a lot of attention and all of a sudden. They're a top class race for some units. That's an incredible story. Well he was one that He was a heavy breather. You know and the people that the to on training sales they all know any kind of believes in town and it may also scare. you know. it wasn't really a you know a choking sound but he made like He was just really just kind of it was kind of a really aggressive force and i guess he was just really into his breathing. Remind me a styling. I used to gallup styling. When i was working for wayne back in the day and he was like that and he never had a breathing problem but he would make some kind of noise a little bit when he was galloping but back to seeking the soul he was at the sale. And that's probably what scared everybody off so they did all kinds of diagnostic scopes and everything on it but it all proves negative. But you know the people just didn't want so he kept him and it turned out great for chuck in florida. Fantastic and joost island and other one. You mentioned that name. There's another horse that you know if you can look past the the the sounds that he's making when breezes and gallops then you know you get a pretty good racehorse yeah yeah listen we as trainers we don't wanna hear make any kind of cars. That was good stores. There's a hundred on horses. Believe do you ever go back and you ever go back and watch some of your your big wins and you know kind of pull them up on the internet and take a look at her absolutely. Yes that's what's your favorite little macho. Even though he got that was pretty excited. You know i it's Still kinda full my shoulders back a little bit thanking man. You almost might get there you know. It was pretty fun. Because she was a champion and You know limits. Wherever's just incredible to watch where she came from casts every horse and stay on and get that beat Get that win. Beat them all and You know the breeders coupling with her daughter you know that was pretty terrific You know there's been a few you know it's just enjoyable to kick back and watch from time to time when you think about the horse you know. Talking trainer dallas stewart here on the horse racing radio network dallas. Give me an update on one of your other. Greatest stakes winner some earlier this year. That's will secret what's going on. We'll we'll secret well. She's done pretty well. And she was third in the kentucky oaks. And we're looking at the indiana oaks for her. That's on july seven right plenty of action going over the dallas camp. Yeah yeah yeah. I like to see it. Brother glad that things are going well and good luck with that chess chief with all the contenders later. Today let's see if we can't punch our ticket to the breeders cup freising. Mike appreciate it. Appreciate it buddy. Dallas stuart here on the horse racing radio network and If i didn't let them go so quickly. I like to hit him up. Go steelers right before. I let him go. Big new orleans saints fan. is dallas in a rightfully so from new orleans should be in t- is really you know you talk about the consistency of a guy like dallas stuart in. Sometimes he flies under the radar. I don't think that you know he's not in the spotlight necessarily day in day out like a lot of trainers. But you look at his consistency. Every single year with his number of wins in the numbers stakes races. That he wins. It's it's consistent year in in your out. And i think that that's the feather in his cap that he can continue on being consistent like that. It's fantastic and my thanks to dallas and don't be surprised he has that tendency to pull a rabbit out of a hat just like his mentor. D wayne lukas. Don't be surprised if chess chief runs a big race. Under johnny v coming up later today time now for your ta spotlight segment. This monthly segment brought to you by the kt kt ob. 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Bunny south and she dares the devil. She handled all of them getting some revenge on she dares the devil who handed lotrowska her only loss here in twenty twenty one that coming in the very three starts back. It oakland park. Fausto gutierrez is the trainer of lotrowska and he joins me to go down the road to the breeders cup case. Time to go down the road to the breeders cup off. Well the truth go already qualified for a spot in the starting gate of the breeders cup distaff virtue of that by virtue of that big win at belmont park and fausto was with me now fausto appreciate the visit my friend always great to talk to you can do. The pressure is for me to be with you. man what a race she Ran last time out belmont Yes really she one nice fast. Think she's improve each race and now when we spoke before about she is. She's a horse with potential to to show that interest in things but do now. she's a a reality. no she's a horse. Two different tracks it jockeys conditions and all the time she improved on viva a nice show on a good for nothing seems to bother this mare. You point out the fact that she runs on any surface she has now one. Let's see is. I'm looking at it at gulfstream at saratoga at sam houston at oaklawn and she has now want at belmont to this rick she i raised she's poured. We got all the time with various patient corrective. Finally she's She's course to like to run is not important where these commentary go. Go be nice. And i hope to continue like this to try to have a great deal for she and now she's in the top one of the top of the division so now guys not cinderella joshi's Really hard to to now. He's got figures horses from the racism. I think she is the leader in this division. Fausto you had monoploy girl to contend with but she is now on the sidelines if she doesn't come back for the breeders cup then larussa all things being equal. She has to be the horse to be in that race. But i know there's a lot of ground to cover before we get to the breeders cup in november. How how beneficial is it for you to already have that. Winning your in breeders cup challenge race under your belt seem important because i understand who these racist to janine anina out of the the most off the dp shawna and how about benefits to win these racists an important and how she's improve improve each race do can t the times the speed numbers morton sheron me into a horse's to a big quality. No i think too in that moment is when the times are important. But he's not the most important the sunnis. How how the horses run here to do so nice. So hit at auckland in front of the memorial and the sweetest guy on how she five and how she she out the race. I understand to the. They're the real now or the really spatial forceful. She's she's very very special. Fausto gutierrez going down the road to the breeders cup with me here on the horse racing radio network lotrowska four to five on the morning line in today's floor. Delay that also a win in your end for the breeders cup distaff but as you just heard fausto talk about. He doesn't need the win in your in. He already has it but he would love to win the floor delay. She comes back on somewhat short rest. Fausto having won that race at belmont back in the beginning of june now here she is on the twenty sixth she hasn't worked at all. No published works sense that effort at belmont tell me about the strategy bringing her back in the spot. Okay yes race to. It's not already now not exactly program it but he's not not one of the how i explained you after she wants to build a good forum to she's right now. I nominate two weeks ago for this race. Even i wasn't arlington. Because they want a horror. And i remember today's the nomination for florida the list and they call to nominate with the idea to check the competence. And how does the race and to be present in debut when i in nominate i. So hush how she come back to the belmont and how she strain and how she's at the rate. Some issues complicate even to rain. In the mornings i decide tweets a moment to take a risk to twenty one days. Time with the horses inform. Maybe one week layoff of sixty days or the but when in my opinion when the horse ask you for garon it's time to run and these situations we'd see. Finally i got up to in one of the best tracks on the so. Why not eight seconds for six four. She's the morning line favorite. She asked to run. I understand to finally are racist and whatever it is supposed to happen. But i'm a hundred percent shoot to. She's reading on recovered after the bell. Look for these race. What do you think the key has been here in two thousand and twenty one cause she just continues to get better and better and better what. What's the secret for her to the secret to. She's more horse racing the in the real moment that when when she have five years is Some of the competence are have fought. you know. sometimes it's russian to the three to four bit complicated for someone. So i think she's. She's big she feel also happen. She her horns with better. We spoke about a when we remove the blinkers this another positive point because now she got more chance to relax in a real explosive. Not steve but now she had the chance to go around the other horses before the blinkered sheron absolutely in front time she because normally scenario the horses back to she now she got more control for the racists and she liked to fight and this is one of the important points combination with the real class is qualities to auto l. a. Truce very very tough. She has that speech. He has the tenacity. you hear. Fausto mentioned the fact that she loves a fight and She will not shy away from the competition if it gets tight down the stretch. There's no doubt about that looking forward to seeing her strut her stuff later today in the floor early. Fausto when you and i talked on my trainer talk program. We spent some time talking about the truce owner. Herman lereah who is He races under saint george stable but he has been a longtime partner of yours and this has to be special to do this with him kissing a normal like the horses and he's not happy with with these feely with today s. She's up. I onto the business for the races and buy some how breathe a lot of politics in mexico some well. Here's at kentucky and when you have these gain of very something someday from the chance to have these courses you know. I said earlier that he pulled off a feat that not many owners can say that they have done. He won a triple crown in mexico. Jeff's okay he's the of nerve. I'm breeded at mexico. We spoke talk about In mexico activity is smoking competition with the united states in mexico. Born to the hundred fifty courses. So it's one percent of the horses to burn here. Y- lose the quality for horses so so it's interesting. I think for the races when when have these courses likely to scarf she. She's second tokyo breath but finally she has started their career at mexico. And after come here it on all the the the biggest star to she finally she used to take the attention for the orders because he's showing finally when she run. Yeah definitely show. And and hopefully she puts on a show for fausto gutierrez and the connections later today you know when you move back to the united states and twenty nineteen fausto Could you ever imagine you'd be competing at this level so quickly. Really no even i. I'm a fan for the monem. Only for the skydiver because even mexico. I watched that is a nineteen december of nineteen. I go to the clips. Monday with fran and when more win three years champion really. I never imagined we run together to win her. I understand to. She's a real champion and she's a horse. We'd ib speak about one of the best in the history. It's a lot of things are she. Is that day. We defeat. Chee and i i i hope to do. We run a game together. More important to win or who i tell you. This is part of the racist. No that day we wind by knows like we lost by not sending these small mall these cells. How big difference. Magnum just knows difference between the truce gun amount of my girl in the apple blossom at oakland back on april seventeenth and if monoploy girl does come back and we know that she can bounce back quickly from any issues that she's had in the past and that would be one heck of a showdown in one heck of a rematch. I know that it would be great for racing. And that is something that Fausto i know first and foremost you want the truth. Go to win. But but you love the sport so much that that it would be great for the sport to see that rematch. Wouldn't it correctly you. Finally i repeat this def- ray. This is part for the racist. He's this is to make defense law because sometimes they are very nice. People tell to our just horses run around and run more win. But the person's to we like and we understand these we mow the sean and all the all the secrets and all the work and all the great history strut around racecourses. And we'll fausto listen. I'm so happy for you. And for the team and good luck with lotrowska in the floor. Delete and and moving on toward the breeders cup as well all the best my friend. Thank you for being here. Thank you thank you for everything again. All right fausto gutierrez going down the road to the breeders cup. Here on the horse racing radio network. Don't forget h. r. n. Your exclusive radio home for the breeders cup once again here in twenty twenty one. The only place. 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Blinkers Off 505: Stephen Foster Preview and Rapid-Fire

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Blinkers Off 505: Stephen Foster Preview and Rapid-Fire

"I need to see him like go to the whitney and win before. I'm really like over. The moon excited about his chances. You know to go with a race. Like the classic. I i look at maximum thing. I think you're really good. You might step below like what it takes to win these through dudes named jerry who headed by some race in and they wanted to share gentle website players who picks the goal was. Make the money to cut out rests. They put the plan into motion personally. Make the expert. Picks are free willy race track better beginner. Does you wanna go to win as a warning. Heathy exact There's only one site keep coming back to all end up at the post. Make sure you used the website. Battling at the most church gulfstream park's toga tricks in between there's only one type racing needs to know your best plus it's got to catching game that no one never gets to dot com to all the needs stack com leauge dudes dot com all the events rice through that calm as good as it gets to dot com. All the meads is induced. Dot com leads. Residues dot com all the betson dot com. It's yes what does well. Gee you an alternate blinkers off man. What is up everybody and good to be back. it'd be back. I've i feel like i've Well this is my second show show. I shouldn't feel like an it is. Yeah ricky's rockets earlier and then now leakers off listen we finally got to give back to our format right back to the format of doing stakes races and covering those big stakes races. So it's good to kind of be back to normal so to speak. Yeah it did feel good to look at you know. Pulled the ppo for this weekend and think all right. There's like here's a bunch of horses i know. Here's a bunch of solid horses years so we're starting to see that it is getting a little bit back to normal. And of course. This weekend highlight of stephen foster steaks and of course the floor released too big time. Breeders cup win. You're in racist one for the staff to one for the classics. And he got he got serious players in both. You know that's that's a key. Got max failed in one truce getting the other and i think it's time we stop sleeping on the truce in so to speak in terms. I don not say that we have but just even if she's not like a monoploy girl or she's not the you know. Brad cox sheet the devil like she is. She needs to be recognized. Stop worse in the division. And she's going to showcase. It must hope this weekend but yeah it's a big weekend. Of course how derby with some of the also you know some of the horses that you probably remember from from the triple crown trail especially the derby trail You know the the the winner of the peter pan promise keeper todd pletcher and their this view in there. And there's been some news. Yeah let's see. Mark says bob baffert have as many horses as parker. Yeah that's a. That's a reference to news came out. You know charlatans been retired not a big shock on that one and life is good. life is good for todd pletcher. Now because that's who's got this horse. And bob baffert is it does not so Sounds like know. Life is good still. Might find a way to win the travers. But it won't be. Bob baffert thing you know you think about east coast racing especially for three year olds. That's where it's at Whether it be the school or the traverse or the jim dandy racist like that. So when you're banned from naira which bob baffert is right now It's it's hard to if you've got a real good three year old. It's hard to keep it with bob. Because you're not really gonna run at del mar with with a big time three-year-old. You know you're gonna come out to the east coast. You got that in. Also racist like the whitney like country grammar. That's worse for like all right we'll baffert will have that one. No country grammar is now headed towards a new york. The whitney and also dodd self. Yeah big time changes going on i. I don't think anybody's real surprised by you. Hate to see it right. It's it's just tough. Tough luck bob. We haven't talked about him and a few weeks of eggs so it's good to have you back in the in the spotlight. My favorite is and i i. I didn't make a big deal out of it but on twitter and stuff but like like was it last week horse racing nation like posted. There's like i saw the email blasts. Come out because i subscribed to it and it's like checkout. Bob baffert newest two year olds. You're like what are we doing. Are we living under a rock. We're just like supposed to be like so pumped about his now is two year olds. I mean are they even gonna be his ear old and say like six months from now. It's really crazy some outfits or just kinda businesses normal going on like normal. This is the normal article would post this time of year. So we'll do it again if it let's put it this way. If magic was posted article like that it would be taken down immediately in. We would have phone call about novelist article. Like don't do that so Yeah i didn't get a chuckle out of that as well. It's just like i. I don't know why you would do that. Tone deaf right. Like i who in who wants to read about that even if you do posted he worked on it. You know like an age thing is like if you're posting something about two year old. What your mind goes immediately to three year olds next year's derby. Well guess what bob advocate. Run the kentucky derby next year so why is it. Why should it matter that was kind of the business of the article. I feel like you're mark coming up in matters. I you know yeah. I don't know i don't know it's really it's really awkward. And then you know you got some owners district like all. We're sticking with the mets and some are already jumping ship even with her upcoming two year. Old so i think that will get less and less horses. Go into his barn as we move on. That's what i you know what you would logically think would happen. Who knows though. I think crazier things in the sport. And maybe you never know you may. Maybe we don't need horse racing. Because god forbid they do anything major you know. Maybe it's just a matter of these trade or these owners just starting to gradually make that shift and become more f- you know whether it'd be like with with life is good or whatever like they start to see it more and more horses okay. We'll do we'll do two. And then they say no. But like you said bob baffert got you went down from an outfit of one hundred dollars to five or whatever and then it just slowly gradually kinda goes away. Yeah now and i think that's. That's kinda the thing right like it can be self correcting but it's gonna take all of them. Were the vast majority of them to do that. Which we haven't seen we've seen a few kind of and i think that trickle down effect will start to happen. Especially if these other guys you know sit like like say life is good goes to pletcher and just dominates when he comes back You know people say okay. Well you can't have success. You know without bob. So and that's the thing we don't really know how good these horses are. That are going away from baffert to other places right. You know and that's kind of the thing you're going to see as well and that's that's that's gonna be a big part of handicapping kind it's Honestly like when the bar. Servants sources went to other trainers. And it's just like let's see what they are now and some of them like forensic fire. Yeah he's pretty good no matter what you know and some of them were not like that. So we'll see what happens on that front as well. True yeah it makes it very interesting with live is good. You know how. What kind of is he not mentioned that the obviously the horse has issues. You know so. It's not like it. Even not even the baffert situation like housing income off of that kind of lay off. New trainer knew everything. So we'll see but obviously it's exciting to think that considering where he's going we're gonna see a lot of him like this is a horse. That's going to remain soon as healthy. We're going to see him a lot this summer and fall for a new trainer. Todd pletcher fakey. Everybody joining us right now on live on youtube facebook and twitter. If you are listening to us after the fact make sure you tune into these all those social channels and you can get notified as soon as we go live on this before we get into the big weekend. of course. we had a lot of. If you're looking for podcast it's going to handicap races. This is the podcast for you. Go all over the country before we do the best thing you saw the day. I'll listen if my name robin sparkles in the eighth race. Today at belmont park was unbelievable. This source. I always pick this worse. She's just super super consistent. And today homo set the track record for six hundred long. I sprint on the out of there. At belmont park goes to wire and just lease the whole way ran as fast as she could for as long as she could and it happened to be six alums definitely as long as she could plus some he was really really really impressive. Performance robin sparkles that that was promptly stakes at saratoga. A really tough allowance. She just dominant. So that was the best thing i saw. That was also watch and of course about to make your mother robin sparkles. So it's even better name right name ame for us. We love that show. So let's a quick update here. I saw today. It's not that. I'm still currently in my parents basement. Although they've been they've been great. Great airbnb hosts for me. But no my my moving in my closing date keeps getting pushed. But i wanted to give an update thing assault today the in sixty four man. I keep getting more games and i'm on. The latest game is super. Mario sixty four now we talked about. We talked last time. I think it was about. Mario kart and we got mario golf course. That's been fun. But man super mario sixty four. And i'm telling you like there's levels and things that i'm seeing that i don't remember as kids i just don't i zero replay. It's like oh my gosh. I didn't know you could you know. Shoot from that cannon over to that secret of spot and there's you know i had no idea up to thirty one stars. I believe we fought for the second time we lost so dumb working on that but cohen loves it. He doesn't play it much because it's tough but he likes to watch me and yell at me to stop dying and things like that but it it. I mean it's this doll jets bringing back memories of playing this as a kid but also say there's a few times from like only like i didn't know i'll get specific for your per second. You may not remember this. You enter the castle the beginning go into the castle you go through all the different doors you into the castle and you look up into the sky to the light and you can go to like a secret level that you'd like fly around. I didn't. I had no idea that you could do that. So literally never knew that. And maybe i did. I completely like have push back in the back of my mind but yeah mind blown so there have been times. Like how the hell this after google. How do you be this level because you got to get the star and no but it's been it's been. I don't know what i'm gonna do without the sixty four. i mean. the graphics are awful but it's kind of fun. It's the longer you stay there. The more you know you may have every game in the on the whole planet in sixty four like every time i talked to you something different so i think you're on your way to becoming like a twelve year old boy. It's getting worse and worse and worse. I sent a picture to end the day of be played in sixty four. And they're like wow. I like what you've done to your house. It was like well get the nineties theme going on in your house. I'm like well it makes sense. 'cause my parents basement so that is the nineties theme. That's happening right now. It's funny just real quick on that. I got together with a couple of guys from high school last weekend and they were like how you doing. I said well these parents right now with no contracts. That's like the worst ono out. No i know. I know trust me. It's like eight we go. We go anywhere if i go out to eat something. My mom is always like three. See someone like jared living at home. Stop saying he's at least gifts of god takes please like he like when you're out in. We have a hometown. Six thousand seven thousand people and so if you go out like sometimes i'll go visit my mom and we'll go out to lunch or something is always that kind of leg awkward thing when you read it because you always run into people you know so i if my mom was telling people what we see. Hey how bad that would be. It's like it's like like well. I figured that was about to cut you know the website that was definitely gonna happen eventually and so i'm like damn it starts mom but it's pretty damn funny because you like the other day she's like you should go the go. Check out some furniture you know. It's like your guide. I'll tell you off air. You'll die but it's like he works out like mom. I'm not gonna go buy furniture from so he can help you out a deal. You know so it was pretty fun. It's pretty it is a pretty amazing though. Go back to four mark. I totally agree the best goldeneye. I can't even tell you. How many like four split screen. You say that you like someone you know you. Buddy has at a big screen. At that time. It was like the big massive flat screens or the big screens. You get like oh. Let's go play it on then you your your spot. Kill each other. That and mario kart the battle of mario kart. That was something that i remember doing a lot. But yeah that it's been it's been it's been the venture over here but no hope we're hoping fingers crossed a week from tomorrow closing so we'll see How that goes so. You'll know at this time every single we every week. It's a new one. So i get a new closing date. So oh yeah. I know odd job by the way. Hol- piss everyone off because you couldn't shoot them us too low. The natural like aim was go over his head. I exactly what exactly my favorite was an eyeing on mark. You're going to have to help me with this. It was when he did the battle. And you did the oh. The the level with a bunch of different the project not A bunch of doors could hear like shut opening and closing all the time and people go in and out and then we would do like the. We'd always do the mines. They proximity mines which was always fun. Because you get pissed because you can't see them that silver Like covering so you could never see them so anyways. Everybody's listening to this year the love and this conversation. You're hating it so we'll get. We'll get into some horse racing here in the second mark. I'm seriously waiting for you to give me that answer. I let's let's get to today's show. And i'll poverty if he gives us an answer on today's show. We're gonna preview the six hundred k. stephen foster stakes at churchill downs. They were going to read i of some of the remaining stakes actions we weekend build on park churchill. Downs and this'll churchill downs on saturday race. Eleven the stephen foster stakes grade two or six hundred k for four year olds and up going one way. Eighth miles is a breeders cup event. Here's putting your in challenge race win and you're in the breeders cup classic in the horse looking to do that right here. Four to five morning line favorite number eight. Max filled very heavy fair. We have to have favorites. The ford elise. We'll talk about here a little bit in rapid fire to breeders cup challenge races too heavy favorites at four to five. Max filled really should win this race. I mean if you lose this race here your top. Contender is six three six. Two one is a silver does warriors charge and visit of course maximum wiped. You know just killed that. Whereas last time so max ville to me is i mean horses. Lost wants has got to win here right. Yeah i certainly just don't see how he's going to be unless he just doesn't show up in. It's not a situation. I still am not like completely sold. Max feel like a- primetime readers kept classic contender. But how does he lose to the sources. If he does how do you go forward him thinking. He's any kind of like elite prospect. At all like to me. I looked at. This is like okay. I think the biggest chance of him losing his either like us to jess not great pretty inconsistent horse or what if like warriors charge goes gate to wire on him because he does look like they have a pace advantage. But we're charges been freddie shitty for a while now right if we're being honest love him but he hadn't been good. I mean he certainly shouldn't be max will. This looks like locked to me. Like i think max built wins this thing easily. It's hard to really come up with like other than like you're saying the fact that he just doesn't just plain and simple fire. Max filled this hard to come up with scenario that he doesn't doesn't win here. I mean really the way the ray sets up i mean he should be able to. You know i guess the one thing if you want if you wish they had any kind of confidence and worse charge because he looks like he's gonna be the load speed. Of course. I'll ask you about that. Of course you needed him to to advance didn't get. Nhc see you need him to win and he missed the break and never ran step and so you know it's hard to kind of get have confidence that he's gonna do that. I'm sure for you. You're done your way done with them. but he you know from a pay standpoint if he breaks he should have an easy lead to himself right. Yeah there's no doubt about that. And and really. He's never had any trouble breaking other than the day that he's loan. Loan leader in a mile at lone star park in a grade three race and if he wins i make like five thousand dollars and get a seat on the day and didn't break very well so and not better now though. Yeah so horse. Named mo- mosa one. So i think he could have held off mo- mosa if you had decent trip there but he's got a hold of max field here so listen honestly. I do think the voice will get in front. I do think the hersal turned for home ahead. I just don't think he's good enough to hold off maximum even if he would have won the sex and mile less time out i would have that same feeling was not really hard feelings for me. It's just. I've got a pretty good gauge. On the talent warriors charge in. It's not good enough to be. Max 'field i just allies feel about it but i did put him in second because of the pace advantage Past that it's like really anybody can finish second. Like if you took max out of this race it's a real good allowance slash grade three event. Right that's what it is in the favorite probably four to one. Here's the thing. There's a lot of pressure not not literal pressure on him because he doesn't give a shit. But a lot of pressure maximal because one of these horses if he doesn't win is going to get a free trip to the breeders cup classic and they don't need to be in the breeders cup classic. So max does maximal should. He's he's good enough. He's probably one of the top you know. He's definitely top three horses in training right now. He's got to win this race. And so to me you either singling max the movie non and forgetting about it or you're playing against them and you basically have to play all of them because it's just really if he doesn't win who is it to me. I like the pace of asia. For warriors charge. I don't have any trust in him whatsoever. I have a sneaky feeling about silver. Does he just like. He's capable of running really big races. He's also capable of running very poor races but he is cammy. He likes churchill downs. He runs their a lot. He can wear this distance like he should be key if he won the race. I wouldn't assume max 'field doesn't show up. I wouldn't be shocked. I guess is my point. So i'm playing field as a single. Because he frankly. I mean what's crazy about this horse he's little. It's a weird. He's a weird hours seven starts. He's never ran at this distance ever. He's ran a mouse extinct. He's trying a mile on debut. You're in a mouse sixteenth. Every other time and then of course he ran in amount of quarterly loss in the big cap. Finish third course. Not it wasn't it wasn't like a terrible effort it just didn't win but he's never random out as i looking at dal sheba. Which by the way was at churchill downs. He's never lost a churchill downs. He's he's been very very good. He won the for charity. Hurry sorry he won his maiden he won the matt win. And of course he won last time out now sheba. He's looked pretty damn good at churchill downs. I think he's gonna be tough to beat. i think he's gonna be almost impossible to be. Where i i agree and like i said i i honestly cases like let's see if we can try to beat this source and it's like silver dust one you land on right and then you go through his rails. Okay like he he kinda burst onto the scene as far as being like we kinda take him serious. Last year at the fairgrounds he won a couple of races in a row. You start to look like like who did he. Well he got it twice okay. That's at the time we're like a decent. But now we know he's he's really awful and then he got beat by my standards. Captivating moon he got by owen dale and ever fast he got beat tommy atop by my standards again. He gets by my standards. And i mean you're seeing a pattern like would you be excited to play owen. Nail against maj. Well you said that you said this is a this is a good allowance slash great three and. That's the kind of silver dust is. He's a good allowance slash great three horse because you look at his past. That's kinda raises. He wins and if you remember the race that he did win last time out and give them credit for a win. Win is a win. I don't care what what you're in. We talked about that. Ben ali at keeneland. That was arkansas derby day and it poured on at keelan that day and it was one of the worst. Ben ali's history of the race like it was so bad. They all finished in a blanket. There is only four of them and they all finished right there together and he was just kind of the lucky one to get up in win. So it's it's not even like yeah. Okay he's coming off a win but it wasn't like a. Wow that gives you a lot of confidence for the raised next out. So yeah honestly. If max bill loses this race just out on the beach or the farm somewhere and let him live his life like he doesn't need to be running anymore. That's how i feel about as in the words of our good friend. Paul is texting him about we. Were talking about this race. He said if he doesn't win this race in its onto stud duty. Because i don't know how he doesn't win this race. And i agree. You know by the way you gotta love. The fact like jose ortiz man. Like he needs to be on the source permanently. After this. Jose and max filled to the perfect I i just love the way. He ran road on road him last time out. There's no pressure to get to the lead or anywhere near it. He did his thing he ran. He's going to be really tough here. So max failed to me. Let's talk real quickly. Because i think that's pretty easy to come up with How how much like api if he does what you think he's gonna do considering the fact. That field is not very good but he like you consider it's legit contender in your mind to win the classic in in the fall my horse that we don't know they can even be healthy at that time because he's historic record but if he is is he there no not for me not yet now he goes out and well no. I'm not going to say that 'cause he should dominate this group. I need to see him. Like go to the whitney win. Before i'm really like over the moon excited about his chances You know to go when a raise like the classic I i look at maximum. I think you're really good. You might be a step below like what it takes to win the classic like. Can you finish third or fourth in it share alike. You gotta be really good ninety nine times out of one hundred to win a race like classic. Sometimes you can get lucky and get a sneak in their field. That's week but i knew he was really really good. I don't be great in that. That's what i think he's going to have to end up in question here south. Bend the horse that obviously one. That got fem. Sorry finished second in the ohio derby last year Horse that kind of was on the you know triple crown trail so to speak for a bit As a three year old. What do you make of this horses. This horse have any chance likes churchill. Downs i mean obviously with bill motte decent trainer twelve to one though getting the price. So any thoughts and south bend. I think if you're wanting to put the worse in second or third It's not the worst because you wanna try to get a prize. You know underneath max for sure and you do kinda know the south bend is gonna just kinda sit back make iran. Maybe the other horses get a little tired. If they try to chase. And ron with mash with max field where south can just kinda let everybody go and then make his late and try to get past sources but you know as far as like winning the race or getting close to winning it i i just don't see it. What do you think about playing like a eight over like you know. I guess either opinion if you want to display a cold or play like an eight over six seven or eight over five six straight and just hammer the shit out of it because it does feel like you're going to have to hammer in order to make any money but it does definitely pretty logical exacto. Exactly what you should do. You should play. Max spilled over i to me. Six makes sense because of the pace advantage and then five. Because it's just like yeah. You're kind of the best of the rest so a yeah like an aid over five six would make a lot of sense in this situation or even if you wanted to get a little crazy will not even crazy if you wanted to. Just try to get some prices in there. The eight over like a horse like the one at an you. If you want to throw the seven. You could do that as well. But just the one in seven kind of saint just horses that are going to drop back and hannah iran late and hope to pick off a few tired ones made. It can get up in second as well. So but yeah. That's exactly how you need to play it. You gotta put it on top you know and then try to get some prices home underneath and kind of play a large exact a. Unless you're going to try to step out on that little trying to beat max field i i don't really know the angle you're gonna have to take to do it but you know if you've got something i i would keep the wager small if you're gonna go against him put it that way but you know at what probably gonna be three to five. Many people are going to try to take a shot against. You know the nine horse we used course we were we idiots and we how he tried to play it but visited. It was a horse that we keyed in the second spot. Of course we didn't the way we played our exactly. We try to beat max field that day and they all sheba but visiting it was a decent price that day that i liked and ran a really big course now to set to finish second to fill. These are worse if you want to just play that exact again. Six one morning line. you're going to. I don't think this is going to get any respect. I imagine that that those odds float up. I mean we're in one hundred buyer career. I easily hundred last time out. So if this horse likes the source again back that up at back that exact up again a should be a nice exactly. Because i don't think that horses to get any respect. But no you. And i are both on number. Eight max filled. We think he's going to punch his ticket. To the breeders cup classic presented by whiskers in wishes sanctuary in tucson arizona. Very near and dear to our guy who wanted to go ahead and if you consider donating to them ww dot whiskers and wishes dot com. There's only there's currently thirty five cats in need and even ten dollars would go a long ways towards saving alive whispers in in like the letter in wishes dot com helped save one of halters favourite. Cats you have a few gets here for now but no sears whiskers in wishes dot gov currently thirty five cats. Ten dollars go a long ways to donating their sponsoring rapid. Fire the in tucson arizona. After you donate go check out the inside. Track the twenty twenty one. Stephen foster wagering guide features in depth analysis of all seven stakes races on the card included. The six hundred case doing foster we just talked about featuring max on the course of three hundred thousand dollars floor at least getting ready to talk about plus get us. Race varies houses. Betting suggestions in multi-race plays for churchill. Downs entire saturday card. Let's go to the race five. Which is the floor lease. This is worth three hundred k. For fillies and mares four year olds and up going amount nate. That is early on the car. Like i said raised five. And it is a brewers cup. Win in you're in event for the breeders cup distaff right literacy tries to punch her ticket in to the distaff also at four to five another heavy favorite but she might have a little company we have ever ever taught two to one for mcpeek. You've got eight to one by six to one point of honor. Maybe a little bit saltier of filled than we saw in the previous race. When you say. Yeah i mean i definitely think so because point of honors. Of course it's always ran against pretty Pretty tough company every time day definitely an up and comer that runs pretty well at churchill. Downs and then spices nice. Todd pletcher kind of a horse. Had a ton of hype. last year. never really lived up to it this year. Two for two so far One one at the at pimlico last time out so yeah i think i think there's some definitely some interest. I think there's definitely a little bit worse to pick. If you're going to try to beat the favourite that being said who's gonna run with lotrowska early and if nobody does how are they going to beat. That's just the way i look at this. I was really surprised to see her. Inner back here. I didn't know if this was the plan or not. But she really didn't break a sweat last time out of belmont so i can see her around pretty well again. Beer i again. I if the source gets out by herself yeah. I don't see anybody catching so the truth is going to be awfully tough here. I know it's one of those situations that you're like okay. Well not only she the best horse in the race but she has a very clear pace advantage as well so there's really nothing up against her here. It's a. I mean let's be honest. It's another situation that it's dealing away. She gets beat if she just doesn't really run her kind of race. I mean these horses haven't really been able to touch what she's been able to do Earlier you know especially the last couple of races like we've talked about a lot in the past and it's like we've come to a point now where you're like okay. She's like mom girls in my a. She devil kurds too. Bad scott skydiver. i dunno. she's scratch. Last guy is the worse you want right now. Because she's writing the last two efforts and so you can't deny the what she's done and she's deserving to be the favorite who's gonna with her to be honest with you. I think the to me that that are interesting. If you're gonna play against his vices dice at eight to one just because that horse i mean obviously a million dollar horse upside a lot of promises for the source looked really good has looked really good since returning off a very long layoff. It's we didn't see this horse. Since august came back inland ran. Well came back. A pinnacle ran well again. I is obviously going in the right direction. Is she good enough to win here. I don't know about that. But i think she i mean she's interesting and then the four horse advertisement mcpeek hate the price. If she was a better price. I might pick her because she is very good at churchill downs. He likes us distance. She's dangerous if you're sucking down to two one on her is just. I can't do it. That's the problem. I think she obviously is like okay. I can. I can try to beat the triska. You look at this this horse okay. Three back they face each other and she was beating tuna a quarter to back. She lost is she. There's talking about any time. And then she never went up and face. The truth wasn't even close up of belmont. Now every talk did win a you know a small stakes churchill last time out really really impressively but every time she steps up to face the top one or two three horses in this crop. The she's in she gets be and it's not a knock on the four. I like her as a horse I watched that live in a person win. The ruling to park oaks. My dad and i were both like. That's that was really nice. She looked great that day. Look great in the paddock. All that stuff. But i don't think she's as good as truth and i think that's what it comes down to. I'm with you. I think spices nice. I think aches and one is a really really bad morning line. I think it's going to be more like three or four to one on them worse. Unfortunately but i think that's the one where it's like. We don't know how good she could be and she might you know she's got that next step in her. She could maybe challenge but again she her problem is somebody's going to need to do the dirty work. She's not naturally fast enough to go with the six early. And i don't think she's going to be good enough to catcher. I if the six gets the right trip so yeah all signs for latrice for me. It's another boring pick. But i just can't ignore best horse in the race and also course it has a pace of an yeah losers lasix for the first time the first time in the united states and last time mountain runs career-best and really the hard knock anything about the worst. Is there anyone other than like four and five. You make a lot of sense. Anyone like this of honor or antoinette have any interest in you whether it be. I mean maybe on top might be a stretch but underneath antoinette. From me is a little bit interesting underneath because the horse has ran stakes races. That obviously you ran the cca oaks last year and fish third pairs license crystal ball. I mean the the board here. The source has been good on dirt. Wouldn't be completely shocking course. Point of honor making a first date. You start for shug. Any of those horses make any any sense for you underneath. I just can't get aboard point of honor too many disappointments over her career. I think she's a very nice Failure guess mayor now but just a lot of disappointments underneath. She certainly makes sense. But you probably want a little bit better of a price. I think vault underneath is kind of the same type of horse like the chess cheap for the south bend that we were talked about in the last race. Just kinda late in get a piece of things I know the horses in a row but it was against a little bit less or company. So now i think he at this level. That's what she has. The second or third source tend to want. And i think you'll get it. Because i do think the four five and six. We'll take most of the attention so volt would be worse for me to use underneath at a price. Give me help me. Understand what antoinette is doing in this race i don't know the horses made six hundred k. In earnings most of that coming on the turf the horse is a great three winning to back on the turf Grade one placing on the turf. The horse like i mentioned she won the air tokes. She did finish third. Ceo which is a great one on the dirt She's finished third and a great to the fair grounds oaks so obviously very very nice words to have been run well on the surface but seems like she's been are at her best especially lately she ran terrible last time as you kind of rain just got tired like dolphin they thinking. Hey let's try to get her to saratoga on the dirt. You know what's weird because you you. Obviously you have spots on the turf coming up. I mean some are racing. it's the turf that that's that's where the source shine and there's going to be spots everywhere you can enter her and add to show up here is is definitely odd. It's not like her. Dirt races are awful. But they're definitely a cut below the turf races you and and that's not a good sign when you're facing the faster email older female in the country right now so. I was shocked when i was in say february and the source was ready to run. And it's like okay. There's limited spots. We can run around the term. We might as well get started on the dirt. But i can't see this running on the dirt again. After saturday and less something really unexpected happens so is really shocking injury for me and by the way it's not like the horse was stabled at churchill. Downs if this like oh we'll run out of our own barn big race now they shipped in from belmont. I don't know. I don't know what she's doing this race. I guess we'll find out. But you and i are both number six not a sexy pick but she just seems like the one to beat number six the trista. I was going to raise ten. That's another great to on the card. This is of course. The wise dan great to you were three hundred k. Four year olds and up going one sixty miles on the turf in here we are. We gonna maybe a little bit more competitive of race. Eight to five on set-piece you've got to one and some like it. Hot brown five to one a. Rod comment field passes five to one. Those are your main contenders of the race. I would get this race. And i made some money on like a brown last time out made me look really smart and here i am. I'm sitting here trying to make myself not pick this worse. Because i know how this works likes to disappoint but the horse has base advantage again. I hate to be broken record. But i picked some like hop around because the pace advantage is just too much to overcome. I think for some of these. It's it's a solid field but it's not a field full of monsters. And this. I mean looks to be out on the leave easily in this spot and then the other horses could go with them. Maybe the too but that's kind of a rabbit situation. I mean the twos not going to be a horse. That's really gonna matter one way or the other and the number eight field passes on our shoes me trained by the same die as some like it hop around so that they're not going to hook up. I think some like it. Hot brown absolutely controls the pace jose ortiz back aboard again. He was bored last time out. Like you mentioned a very good pick and that works one. Something like high brown won the dinner party stakes them. We'll go here. And i think he makes it sooner. Oh i i. I kind of wanted to pick set peace but into the day. I don't think he's can run down some like it hot brown. If he gets that lonely lonely leap horses not want to in a row since two and he wanted turf way park on his throw to well trying to get to the kentucky derby and that that that was the fear for me it was like listen towards likes to write like renna flashy race and then likes to lose. But i i'm with you. I i too. I picked michael brown. Because you know that was a big reason why i liked him in the dinner party or seemed like alone speed and he was and he did it off but he can have saved his speed toward the end of the race. And then here. It's like a who's going to go with them and and really the only you set these horses that i considered and he's definitely could win here. I mean obviously lots of like about the source but it just kind of feels like this horse might be left with a little bit too much to do trying to chase down a horse that was loan on on the lead. You know jose's gonna give him a very right. So i know i mean. I think we're going to sit here and look gabrielle again. I think he's gonna win two in a row. I really do. Let's go to raise eight now. The mother goose at belmont park on saturday gray to decay for phillies. Three year olds go on. One was sixteen miles on the matrix. Their field of five even money on the secret worse always korean as right you don't you don't know about the source but now you do chad brown train. A guy named pratt to ride nine to five on. Clear for steve asmussen. I read ortiz. And of course make mischief at four on the rail. That's really how does the jails are you. Shell fan twelve to one. No i remember. I picked the gel in that forward. Gal and i was pretty high honor and she ran one of the worst winning races for steaks. I've ever seen so bad. And i said i will never touch that horse ever again. Her whole career at our next erases. She's got the five fifteen in the quarter eleven and a quarter so that work off. I was so lucky that that the former gallivan this year so now i am going with number two always carina ricki ricki secret horse all. Listen i hand. This is going to be very interesting. Because i'm i'm super high in the worst great debut a great allowance when maxed out. We'll try stakes company for the first time but reason why i'm kind of excited. Clairiere is in the race and she's a really really good barometer right because we know exactly what clear areas. She's pretty darn good. But she's not great but you have to run well to beat her. She's consistent so let's see if always corinna can just kind of toy with clear air like she has the first two races and if she can then we've got a match up always green averse mala thought to look forward to its hair tova. I agree always corinna as domin tested whatsoever. But we are continuing the stretch out here from a mile two miles sixteenth. Like you said. I think it's perfect analysis. 'cause clairiere is very much like we know like we know what she is and we would. Frankly we know what we know that fairground circuit is because we saw it on display with travel. Last time out we saw of course in the kentucky oaks with travel calm and clever ear. And we're i mean. I just feel like it is what it is right there. There good not great consistent. Great i mean of course travel awful timeout but yeah i i just feel like always korean to me is the pick. Because you just don't know what she is and and and frankly she's been untouchable. The last two starts jose ortiz is going to churchill downs. We're talking about him. Having a big day at churchill but guess what you get maybe brat not bad not bad for brown. So i i like always korean to. She seems like like you said if she goes in wins winning. Like we've got a serious serious contender here the battle with mouth in saratoga. Yeah and that's that's the whole bright I would say this. I'm not going to single always green. Because i just think clairiere for asmussen. I don't think he sends this force up to belmont with no chance. Like if i wasn't doing really well. I don't think he would ship the up to new york for the race. So i do think claire offers a little bit of intrigue. I would play both of them at a big four five but yeah as far as on top always karina. I think she's going to be tough to run down i finally. Let's go to this'll down on saturday race. Nine the ohio derby three with five hundred k. Going to one and one eighth miles field of eleven lineup for this one and you know a lot of these horses number one promise. Keeper at seven the two keen fury. Of course ninety two or said everyone loved and the kentucky derby and then didn't run in the conductor six to one on the reds too one. Keep me in mind. Proxy wholesome its favourite horse and five to one and massacre masquerade. Who ran a really big effort last time. Out at eight to one for our stall eleven is this. I mean this is i feel like oh yeah. By the way the bob baffert also used to run by betraying my hosier for rudolph in here at twelve to one. So what do you do at this field because you have a lot of horses that most of us know they remember these orders from either the triple crown trail or whatever. How do you approach the ohio derby here here. We finally get a race. That's the is completely wide open. You could make a case for a lot of a lot of them. Are like your little pet horses whether became fury who fell in love with the king promised for. Who's one ten both. Keep me in mind. He keeps on coming every time. You know he's going to get there on time proxy. He's got great talent. He'll put it all together. You know so. There's a lot of different things you could do. I listen. I really was impressed last time out with the number dead master as we were standing on the rail when this course just did what we thought was a pretty equal legally matched allowance fielded at churchill. Turns out. it wasn't this was on kentucky derby day by the way eighty wins by eleven and three quarters franz away from them. I can seen anybody in this field that has had that kind of burst right so if he can can of repeat that effort i think he's gonna go on and win this thing. I don't have any dreams of eight to one. I think it'll be more of a four to one seven two type. That's still okay with me. But i really liked number ten mass parade here. I think he's going to be. Hey you know what. I went into here thinking. Oh wow i finally got a price and now you've ruined that for me because now you've picked them and now you're telling me he's going to be four to one but listen as good as the guy all on my fantasy team. We thought he could win. We we said we were right there. We knew this would be the one to beat their and this is not the as always anything special. But he'd beat the l. doors Just feel like when when when stall has a horse like this kind of hasim right there. They're awfully tough and it definitely feels like this is the kind of horse that he's going to run another big race. Another one that i wanted to pick was promised. Keybridge obviously coming in off the race to racist to wind. I should say he's been tough. He's obviously gonna take you know. Take another step. Bob ran well. And the peter pan. I didn't eat much there. But i don't know i can with you. You look at him. You look at i guess. King fury in lexington was pretty awesome. But again i. He ran a big number that day. But i mean. I'm okay with sitting on the sidelines of that one and you know you look at like the reds and horses like that. Keep in mind who likes to finish third and fourth like proxy. Don't get me started with him. That's like you're you're ri- mask. No one's wanna raise like that and so to me. He's got the most upside. And even if i can get for five to one i i would much rather play that at four or five to one that i would rather than i would like to play Keen fury at ninety two like all day. All this race is missing is like soup and sandwich basis then all the bad horses last i liked problem would be in the race. All the little pads for no reason other than it's just they. They've just crazy. I mean if we had those two this would be like baby the best race of the entire year but instead it's just one not the well you know you need. You need like like like this is. This is the various that you have the article you do every year. Like this horse can't win the kentucky derby. The five horses can't win and they're all in this race. I feel like so. This is like the perfect race for that. You need all those horses to get in this race because that's what it feels like it. Definitely the derby is kind of the core code easy route to kind of bypass all the tough raises and kind of get awards a big big person obviously but also get going to get the horse to the brewers scupper saratoga or whatever the goal is because you have fields like this. And i'm not i i asked you that. Do you think any of these horses like even if you aren't picking promise keeper here like is promise keeper a horse you're like i'm gonna just like keep that horse sort of in the back of my mind because he definitely has the look of a horse of a pleasure. That's getting better at the right time. Yeah i promise keeper. I like mass parade. i like and today debut. Isa's question proxy proxy. Okay derby well. He got a against midnight bourbon. Who finished second in the preakness. He got a link in a quarter by mandolin. Who's going to be the kentucky derby winner. He got me by three and a half to heart. Charlie who was second in the belmont. I mean and then of course he sucked against inquiry but if proxy ever figured it out a he probably could there is no probably he can eat with some of the better ones. But i'm not going to bed him on the road him trying to figure his shit out like now. Is there one day. he's gonna jump up and win a race like this. Yeah probably but you're going to go broke until he does you know so i mean but if he was to win here and look really really good then yeah he's going to jump in and jump into the conversation. Well that's what's that's what's crazy about the source is okay so you look look this last. Four in the com- e- finished second urban. Who happened to be looked like the winner of the preakness finish second to mandolin. Like you said gonna be duck every winter finish you know he finished fourth but it ran away and haradh obeys ran well and the derby hierarchy who would have won the belmont basically every other year than this year and like you said was whether it'd be sloppy track or whatever like to your point. He's been he's been really tough races and face them really good horses who have proven to be very good horses proxy if you can get like if you can fit five to one hold steady your higher. I'm not gonna hate you for picking horse But i'm with the little bits. Like i need to like i can. I can allow myself to get the by this horse one time. He's shit is figured out but he definitely has the look of a horse. That could figured out the very good like he's been he's kind of got the makings to be that gonna worse. He just never has been that or so away to see approach with him as well. You and i are both on number ten here masquerade parade. Don't we have racist. Dot com free picks in our premium. Slick on a products pay get racing dudes premium button on the menu dot com to learn more. Remember if you haven't seen it yet. Go check out. The premium section at racing dot com. We offering weather reports for every track running in the united states. I'll it's the world because ask whether as well And we also of course have a wagering cat gooding. Check that out within your dashboard. Ricky's rockets around the dashboard. Now so bombs bracing dudes premium. It's all there on the dashboard. Race jews dot com. 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Like what the quick Probably getting a diaper for the little right The magic mike show that did churchill down saturday late pick force. of course. that's a great car to delay pick for you one announced today. Go check out the magic mike. Show for more information on that holzmann We're getting closer to saratoga. Starting we're what three weeks away now so we're planning. Our trip is getting closer. Hausa fill that i i mean. I haven't thought a lot about busy. But i mean like saratoga. It's happening right. it is happening. We're going to be their opening weekend. And then we'll also be there whitney weekend so there's goes again so yeah. We got two trips coming up. National pot national horseracing fide case in my mom's in the background. That's that's great. I mean that's that's what we should have expected anyway. So we got two trips to syria. Yoga coming up. Maybe drivers to who knows. Let's see we're going to try to go up as much as we can this year. I think everybody is excited about it. So yeah three weeks away. Three weeks away. Mark ma the meatloaf. She's doing doing great. Yeah this dc mark. these are memories. These are memories that i'll share forever me and my boys so know it's i could keep drinking lots of these in. Just you know. Remind myself that there's memories be made now but no saratoga can't wait. I mean i'm thinking like we just bounce around saratoga delmar sir. Toga del mar. We'd just kind of keep that know we're stationed right in the middle of the country so we can hit those up beasley sort of easily. Never easy to get to del mar. But yeah so easy as air toga. Frankly for that. They're both bitches to get to for. Anyone anywhere is a bitch to get to for us. So i know what you mean. Well i mean the so already. Like i mean you go like dallas or whatever and then or if it's chicago and then you new york city and you're there but like i told toby you you hit the airport. Then you got dr another hour. Del mar at the airport. Don't end san diego. The drive are like it's not exactly easy to get there. And like you say you gotta you gotta delay over no matter. What but els parque see kentucky down change logo. No that was. That was some hard hitting update today. Downs they get together. They got a new owner the kentucky downs and so they got a new logo. Wow so now. Look i mean i never thought it was one of the things i never thought i q one of those like you never thought they knew until he solve the new logo. When you're like yeah. That looks lot better. So don't it. I was an email to us. Conduct their old logo bad. Well they'll they'll go was looked like it was like it was designed by you. Know an jeff again you. You thought it was like it. Could they kind of represented what it was until you like this kind of whimsical meet. And then you're like. Oh well it is actually kind of cool so i'm not here go I don't have narrow here. 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TimeformUS Pacecast | Episode 83 | December 22, 2020

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TimeformUS Pacecast | Episode 83 | December 22, 2020

"Hi everyone welcome to the december twenty second edition of time. Formulas pace cast on david arrigoni. I'll be joined by my co host. Cousy well this week on the show. We're going to do a brief. Recap of last weekend's racing just highlighting a few stakes races that i think are worth talking about the today. Show fairgrounds one by the returning max field race that i do Turned a lot of people's heads. Horse that i think many are looking forward to and twenty twenty one will also discuss the grade three. Mr prospector. gulfstream race that we mentioned the time formulas forecast last week nimble discuss some performances. That achieves some noteworthy speed figures in the queen's county. Akwa can also a two year old race in the springboard mile at remington. And then after that. We're going to dive into the eclipse awards. Craig and i have a little bit of a debate and a discussion about some of the eclipse award categories. Probably not too much of a debate. Because i imagine we agree in a lot of them. Only a few seemed like they're really up in the air at this point. We'll talk about that. And how reviewing our ballots come the end of the year because we're just a few days away from the new year twenty twenty one so craig. Let's start things off with talking about some of those raci- races and i think we saw some nice performances this weekend. Yeah we did for sure actually got to see one in person on friday and then then there were several one saturday of which we're going to talk about a few and i guess we just start with max field. He still undefeated after i think. That's what's his fourth race Did it pretty easily watching the race of visually. I mean i wasn't blown away. But i realize the pace was pretty slow in. That wasn't too hard to figure out why mexcio was just a half length. Also after that opening quarter mile we do have the fractious coated blue. But i dig like seeing the versatility from him Got out of the gate. Well he's usually been pretty far back in his races. And to my surprise the figure actually turned out to be a one twenty four. Usb figure which is a career best for him in continues this pattern of progressing in every start at least five points. This was actually the minimum. So he's moving in the right direction. I'm not sure what the future holds. I heard some pegasus. Talka- i guess we'll see when they come out but he he certainly didn't do anything wrong. Yeah i think it's an interesting point. You make it out the running style that he used in this race because he had been more of a closer and in some cases a deep closer in his priorities that i was watching the pre show at the fairgrounds before this race and watching the horses. Warm up and i mean i'm no expert in horseflesh but i think anybody could seeded max. Field was just extremely keyed up on the track both in the paddock and then once they got out on the track in the warm up for this race i mean he was sweating up a little bit and he was just prancing never stops moving before the race and it's not a surprise a horses behaving that way shows uncharacteristic early speed when the gates open. And now it's also not unusual for horses coming off layoff keyed up and i think that's what we saw with max field because he really drag floor on. Show up into that forward position. It's not like for almost asking him to get up there and He still finished off the race of the way. That you'd wanna see your still on his return You know. I'm not sure that this was the toughest race in the world and like you said the speed figure was okay. I know some people would expect to see better from him in subsequent starts assuming that he continues progressing but this was certainly a good starting point for him. It was an again. I mean i have no knox whatsoever on the performance. I don't think that the trainer wouldn't fully cranked up in know trying to run a one thirty first time out for a smaller purse. Oh yeah i got no knocks on this. When and i expect the better effort next time on another horse that i think we can look forward to in twenty twenty one assuming that he stays in trading. I've seen nothing reported to the contrary is the versatile. Sleepy is todd who won his second in a row when he took down the greed. Three mr prospect or a gulfstream on saturday. And there's just a lot to like about this or is he can seem to perform at any race track any distance really any running style. These days as he came from roy off the pace of that prior started. Kim linden again. He came from off the pace to win here and beat a pretty good field of sprinters he did. He be couple graded stakes winners in here. I and did it. You know a workmanlike effort which is usually what he does in. He's just a really cool worst. He's run at so many different tracks this year. I can't even remember all of them. I know it started iran if honor park in one he's one at charlestown when gulfstream wanted. I think it was keeneland. Worry one last time. And just the really cool warsaw. I've become a fan of his since. Iran's second huge odds in the oklahoma derby last year and he's done very little wrong sense. I mean he tried that seeing the needed handicap. Or you didn't run very well. But otherwise each is kinda worse. I can get behind yeah and the performances. The horses behind him i thought refine a forensic fire. He ran his race but he ran his typical speed figure. That's just under the one twenty mark. He's hasn't really gotten back to those gargantuan speed figures that he would run on occasion for jason service but again this was another solid effort from ferenza buyer. I thought i read ortiz. Gave them a good trip from off the pace we had talked about the pace scenario in this race. And we handicapped it on the forecast last week that it just looked like there was not a ton of speed on paper but there were some pretty fast horses in the mix and the fastest of the fest was definitely winds of change. Who was sent on a mission. This race he really pushed them early. The others just had trouble keeping up and things did fall apart a bit at the end but wind up change actually held on pretty well just missed third. Yeah he was a horse. I actually mentioned on the forecast. And i probably squandered a little bit of my bed on sleepy. Is todd does. I did put a few bucks on him. You know it's kind of root for mayor for a little bit. Because i don't know that it would have been much different the crazy. It was but this the last thing on sleepy is todd. That's a really strong. Racy came out of last time. He actually finished ahead of through timber and we know he came back to win the cigar mile. So that's one more keeping an eye on onto another race for the older horses at acqueduct this the non-grata mcqueen's county going a mile and an eighth on the main shrek. Add back side of the moon. Who to me was a little bit surprising that he was the price he wasn't this race. I assumed he'd be somewhat co favored with the runner up here musical heart. He was a decisive winner of this race by open lengths and got a pretty eye-catching speed figure but there was a situation at work on saturday that i think was really benefited. That got the kind of trip that he did. Yes that was quite a ride to be to be fair to his writer. Is jose luis condo. Who just gunned them out from. The start took advantage of a break. And i mean we're talking about an eight year old here. Who was in his forty seven. Th lifetime start and he'd never been i after a half mile in a recent is entire career and only once. Was that close in the six furlong race where he was at the six foot one point in a race so i mean you have to give the jackie all kinds of credit when he sees something like that. This is just something. The horses never shown he wound up with a one twenty eight tied for usb speed. Savior you know. I don't know how much stock i wanna put in an. It's not want to see him. Somebody commented on twitter pegasus. Next you know. I don't think he's ready for something like that. Sometimes circumstances dictate the figures as much as awards themselves. But i don't wanna take away from. He's a really cool horse that we talked about on the show before. He just always seems to run as racist. Is this this time. He ran a new top. Which you don't often see at this age but good story but not one i would likely expect would be repeated. He's just a really cool horses you mentioned. He's at eight year old. He's rod forty seven times now. He won one minor stakes in the past. I believe The maybe the jazz stakes back in two thousand eighteen or something like that But he's a horse that just always shows up regardless of what barn he's in. He's run some good races for rude. Rigas who he's with now but he was even a good horse. Felipe for leo o'brien when he began his career in that barn. Back to two thousand sixteen twenty seventeen So he's just a horse that always runs his race. Now there is the situation of the track and what i perceived as the track bias. On saturday at acqueduct. Wear in my opinion horses that road. The rail had a distinct advantage especially in racist. That were going longer distances. Like this one and going to turns. I think any kind of rail bias is always more pronounced because you have horses saving ground around both turns and writing that advantageous inside path. And as you said beck side of the moon got great ride by jose lozano but also heaped just out broke the field like you almost beat the gate. I wanted to watch the replay of the start again in slow motion because it almost seems like he might have busted the gate open before the starter hit the button but he just timed it perfectly and credit to jose lozano though for not taking away that that advantage that he took away from the start because many times riders come out with a plan like oh i have to have my horse and stocking positions. I've got a wrangle in back. Even if he breaks well but wholesale is not the kind of riders do that. He plays the break and allows the horse to go forward. That's what he did with back side of the moon as for that one twenty eight time formulas speed figure You know it's cool to see a horse like this that kind of number. I have my doubts that he can do it again. Given the track by a situation that i think he took advantage of But still he's just an easy horse to root for in a nice to follow. Let's wrap things up in terms of the race recaps with the springboard mile from last friday at remington park. This is the one that craig was referencing that he saw in person. And i call this race on saturday up to watch it on on friday night. But i was watching the replay in the morning the next day and this was a pretty cool thing to watch. This horse. senior boost guitar was making just a second career start. He can't get out of the gates. He lags behind the field early but boy does this horse some kind of finishing kick on him. Yeah this was a horse. I actually i did another podcast with with my buddy dino colon this source was fifteen to one on the morning. I'm in. I make my top pick just based on his debut. I never really thought. I'd get fifty to one to be honest. But he was a horse. Who won first time out. He was dead last ten lengths behind with just about two furlongs left in the horse. Not only one. He won in a canter by a couple of events and it was a case where he got a ninety eight speed figure that day but i had very little dab out spine a new. There was improvement coming. But i wasn't expecting improvement to a one sixteen time for usb figure which puts him right at the top of the two year olds that we've seen i think jackie's warrior may be ran a point. Faster one of the sprints but otherwise he's right there with all the rest of them in. I mean i'm not sure. What the making this sorts he doesn't get out of the gate as you said both starts now but maybe that's just the style it might be that they don't wanna mess with that too much because he seems perfectly happy loping along at the back in once he gets rowen i mean. Is this an eye catching kick. You could see midway on the turn that this horse was gonna win easy. And he was still well in the back in the pack and just one of those races. We don't get a whole lot of Triple crown trail potential. When we see the springboard mile. I know it gives puede sides a very few amount but in a couple of horses have made it to the derby but no serious contenders. But who knows this. One really looks like a runner for todd singer. Yeah and The speed figure came back pretty impressive. I mean that one sixteen that compares very favorably even the major grade one stakes races like those the computer in the breeders cup juvenile. And i have no reason to doubt this figure. I know some of the horses in behind making that switch from turf to dirt cowen who was second and outdoor who finished farther back. So i mean maybe you could wonder a little bit. What was behind him in this race. But i mean it looked to me like a legitimate just glancing through the charts from this day. I mean you can't deny that. This was visually impressive. So that certainly supports the notion that he ran a fast race. He won by almost six links. Yeah they ran. I think there were six rates friday night and they were all routes all right in a row and all this was really easy speed figures to make the really good hunk of burning love won the last rates right after when this one got a one nineteen time for usb figure which is basically would have been running all year when he routes on dirt. I think he's one about six in a row in in that kind of a condition. So i don't really have any issue with the speed figure. It was super easy to make. And i just think we're talking about divorce ear. Vanna should mention This source also has the pedigree to be a good one. Because he's a half brother to runaway goes to is another good one for the same connections todd venture and the owner. He was a winner of the someone park derby from number of years ago but won a bunch of other stakes races in new mexico. kentucky bred but half brother to that horse. So certainly seems like the sky's the limit for him based on the way he started his career. Okay let's move into the second part of our show on this tuesday and that's gonna be a discussion of the eclipse awards. Both craig and i received our little packets in the mail. And i've taken a glance through it with a contender past performances. Some of the stats on the owners and jockeys and trainers so. We'll get to that in a little bit. But let's just start by talking about some of the categories the within the divisions and i guess it makes sense to start with horse of the year. You know there's a pretty solid contender. I think the leader of this across all the divisions would have to be the breeders cup classic at kentucky derby winner authentic. It seems like he's probably The leading contender for this award. Yeah i i don't even really have anybody. I would consider a close second to be honest. The there just wasn't a whole lot of superstrong campaigns out there this year part of that i guess was because There were a lot of broken schedules due to the kobe. Nineteen and a bunch of pause racing schedules and schedules thrown off but in any year. It's gonna be hard to beat kentucky kentucky derby abc classic winner. So i think he's the obvious choice for that one yeah. I don't have a whole lot to add. I mean as we go through some of the other categories. Maybe we'll come upon some horses that could be in the top three or make be finalists for horse of the year. But i think it's pretty clear that authentic is far and away the favourite for that award. And i imagine i'll be voting for him. Let's just go through the categories as they're listed in this this booklet that we got. I don't think either of us have to spend too much time talking about the steeplechase award. I mean number one. I know a lot of people. Don't like to cast votes in this category because many fans of thoroughbred racing aren't really following the steeplechase horses and furthermore. There was just an extremely abbreviated season this year with them not being able to race in the springtime and running some of those hot meets in the befall. So they really just had those great ones at saratoga and seemed like mosquito who one of them and was third in the other. He seems like the leading candidate for that of war. But i don't think i have too much else to say about that. No we agree on that one. It's the same one but yeah there's just not a whole lot to go on. I had to think about why the nominee s looks of short. And i realized there were very few races run so they would move onto the next one so in the two year old male category. Obviously the breeders cup winner is always going to be the favourite for this kind of award. And that's certainly the case with a central quality. Who's done nothing wrong. He's undefeated his three career starts. He beat his main rival jackie's warrior. That raisin i mean in my opinion the only to legitimate contenders for this award are essential quality and jackie's warrior and as much as i respect jackie's warriors credentials and like him as a resource and think he actually had a great race in the breeders cup. He's just not the kind of horse that you can vote for in this kind of eclipse award category. Yeah i would agree with that. I think accomplishments matter more than what we think in some people actually think may be seatac. Each warrior ran the best racer better race in the winter. But regardless to me. When i vote i'm looking at who won the races for the most part so i had to go with this. Central quality there jackie's warriors. Second and i think we make three choices. I haven't officially put my voting. Because i do want to wait for the raises in neater this weekend but the others i would consider dr shied vol- brooklyn strong but probably going to go with fire as will fire at will as my third pig just for winning that breeders cup juvenile surf. The also won the bill. And you know it's a close call. But i think that's where i'm gonna lay. I've got no problem with those. And i feel like land on pretty much the same three in that order so move on to the female version of ad category the two year old fillies and again. We got a similar situation where we had some horses trade punches throughout the year horse. That won the breeder's cup juvenile fillies and did it. Pretty decisively was request. She beat her rival from the present data the office whereas out of the office had beaten her and that preparation the present So they're one on one against each other but venus one the more important race so feels like you kind of have to side with her. Unless you're looking at the turf war. His aunt pearl right. I yeah. I would use your exact same logic. That's why i picked the was i. They split grade ones. But obviously the breeders carries a little more weight. So i put her i. I am a little bit on. Who i'm gonna put second. And third between perot and day out of the office just because they pearl is also one agreed once you want a great too and that just that she won. She was very impressive. Ran really nice figure so my heart is. I'm probably going to put her to ahead of day out of the office. But i have to think about that one a little bit more and i understand how sub might want to argue. That at pearl is worthy of winning this award because she's never lost a race. She's really untested in her three stars. She beat some very good europeans in that breeders cup juvenile fillies turf. I tend to side with the dirt horses though unless that's in a very weak category or unless there is some reason that there is not a clear leader on that side of things Otherwise i'm i'm going to side with the dirt horse over forest but i have total respect for pearl. I'm very much looking forward to what she can do next year. Yeah i mean really young credentials. I guess you could make the argument for ramp pearl. But i'm with you. Dirk racing is still the most important racing in this country. So it's always going to get a little extra credit with me moving onto the three roles We already went into horse of the year and authentic strength there so i don't think it's any surprise that he looks like the overwhelming favourite to win this three male category. Yeah not much to add to our our first thing and i think the second my second votes pretty clear cut as well. I think a kids the wall for chore. He had the most impressive impressive campaign and honestly was up there for worse than a year. Had he somehow pulled off the breeders cup classic but he didn't show up but i still think he had the second best year for third topic. Kind of drops off in a hurry. After that i landed on domestic spending tentatively. i'm a little weary to go to deter forces but just nothing else was jumping out at me. It had a better record this year. Your against the other ones that you consider for those spots underneath or horses like nepal who had his campaign cut but looked like potentially the division leader early in the year. And then you've also got a horse like happy saver. Who just has that one grade one performance but it was a win against older horses. Maybe a suspect field of older horses in the jockey club gold cup but he's a horse. That is finishing the year undefeated. He's more so than i'm looking forward to when he comes back in two thousand twenty one. He's not really that. I would consider as a leading candidate for this eclipse award. But as you said it kind of does drop off after authentic and the law as far as accomplishments go with these three year old males. Yeah and the dow. He just wasn't around long enough for me the other one definitely the other one. I was considering for third things. Get a little more interesting as we get into. The three year olds philly category. Because i think you've got a decision to make there are two legitimate. Candidates in comedian and swiss skydiver and camin obviously was the more brilliant campaigner sharad some gigantic speed figures. She won her races by open. Lengths did it very impressively but all of her grade one wins war around one. Turn and then you've got swiss skydiver didn't win as often as gambian but she did win many races and while she's coming off a poor performance the breeders cup she still is the preakness winner against the males. Yeah i landed on swiss skydiver here. I certainly considered give mean but edgy said. All her wins came around one. Turn and whether. I don't wanna talk about a whole apetit. Does have that cloud over where he had a couple of positives this year Albeit none of them were in her states. Wins one was in the kentucky. Oh one was in allowance race but even without those i was gone with school swift. Skydiver she just. She ran all year long. She shipped all over the country. She won arguably better racing including the preakness she was second to the boys in the blue grass state. So for me. She's the topic with demeaned. Second yeah i feel like sometimes eclipse award voters get a little bit too. Caught up in just the last race that these horses ran which is often the breeders cup in the breeders. Cup does carry a lot of weight. But i feel like sometimes certain voters allow it to to overshadow the campaign that horace had leading up to that and swiss skydiver had quite a campaign. I mean kenny mcpeek. Radyr ten times half of those races to grade one wins but five graded stakes wins in total and having won the alabama and the preakness against legitimate horses. I mean we shouldn't go with it. Go without being mentioned that she beat authentic and the preakness and he's going to be the horse of the year. So i think that that accomplishment really does what mean did around one turn. I'm not so much considering that cloud hanging over comedian that you mentioned I get it. And i know that some put a lot of stock in in that reporting and those positive tests as far as these accomplishments go and evaluating horses for these awards. It's kind of a similar situation to what we dealt with maximum security last year when he was the three year old male winner. Personally i feel like i kinda have to lay that stuff aside But regardless of that feel skydiver her accomplishments just slightly trump could means no problem. And i certainly am not eliminating of mean as we'll talk about a little a little later on i moving onto the older dirt male category in this one. We actually had horses. Who put them putting some nice campaigns. But i think there is one standout and that is improbable. Who won three grade one races this year. Which is simply more than anybody else. Yeah that's how we can say about me. He was the best of a so-so lot. I guess is all we can say yeah. He also ran. Second the breeders cup classic which is better than second in your typical I thought he ran just fine in the air to me. He's a complete stand out in this division. I just don't see anybody else. But in one where it's going to be kind of annotate. It'll be open. i think he's going to be clear. Cut winner. But i want to say i do. Take the second and third choices. I make pretty seriously pitcher. Never know in some of these tighter divisions even the worst is you pick second and third votes in canopy. The swing vote here so for second i went with coma a bird. Feed season only ran. Free times all sprints but he was perfect win so he looked good. It was unfortunately he wasn't able to finish off a year but i still think he had more than the rest at more on his resume than the rest of the field. And the other horse. I went with just based on its breeders cup by dirt. Mile was knicks. go Normally i would not pick a worse like m. i think it was the only states route. Said he ran in all year. But it just shows how much of a how much the records of the others are lacking in here. Yeah i agree with you. That improbable is the standout is a little more difficult to make those second and third choices. But i'm on the same page. There are ones that. Take seriously as well and i leaning in the same direction as you. I'm considering those two horses. The one other that i drove into the mix global campaign because he does have that grade one victory in the woodward and he was third in the breeders cup classic. And i do take in the money finishes in races like the breeders cup classic. Pretty seriously when you're trying to make decisions among horses that have similar credentials because in finishing third there. He did beat many other horses. Who would be candidates for this award with a three year. Old male aboard So he's a horse that I think can be considered underneath but improbable does look like the right one to win this award. Yeah you make a good point there. I want to say about the breeders cup. I mean we have a lot of greed ones in this country. But i do think you have to give extra credit to the triple crown races in the breeders cup races. Just because that's where most sources are pointed the very best so when you finish second third knows races. It's almost like winning a grade. I'd just a regular great one moving onto the older dirt female category Kind of a similar situation to the males where we had some horses put in some nice campaigns included among them were midnight zoo. See you want a couple of great ones early in the year fighting mouth. Who looks so good. Over the psalm. Round california sarah getty empress who was terror on the sprint circuit But at the end of the day none of those can really compare to breeders cup distaff win and that's a motto girl achieved. She's just bottom boy girl which means she always shows up always wins the racist that she's entered in and she started four times this year. One all of them Is just hard to knock that campaign yet. Is achieved the clear cut winner. I'm sure you mentioned both i. I'm putting midnight. Be sue seconds. That obviously she had an abbreviated season. But i'm giving her credit for that. Saudi yacht race where who knows. Maybe you'll be eventually declared the winner. But in any case he he ran very good second. And what was i. Think at twenty million. Bowery against the boys so i count that when women women's my thinking for third i haven't really decided yet it'll be between cervetti empress in valiants probably volumes for me. Who really came on at the end of the year when they re one spades the second into breeders cup this they ask so. That's where i'm leaning. And i suppose some people might consider casting a vote for modern girl. Maybe not as the winner of the horse of the year award but one of those horses. There should be a finalist. I could understand that. I typically go for horses that if they're phillies there ones that have run against males of. I'm considering them for horse of the year but in a year like this with a lack of clear cut options. That should be a contentious about horse of the year award. I can see casting about for montemar. Girl is one of the three. Yeah i would think. Almost i think he's probably odds-on to be one of the final three just given the racing. We saw this year moving onto one of the more debatable. categories. I think and the male sprint award. You've got the breeder's cup sprint winner. Whitmore obviously but it has to be pointed out. That was the only grade one victory this year for with more before that he had been a little disappointing. It seems like he might have been off form. He did win one grade three early in the year and the count fleet but this is a category. You've got a lot of horses with either. Just one grade one winner zero. The only horse that really stands out among those is coma. Who won two great ones but one of them was at a bile have to weigh a bunch of factors and make some sense of it. Yeah right now. This is one of the categories. Why one see wait to see the race on saturday. I don't know what nashville would have to do. But i would feel a little odd casting a vote right now without seeing how does he obviously doesn't have the accomplishments of some of the others but also short within is in there that it probably won't change my thinking but i do want to hold off. Maybe somebody wins by fifteen lengths and runs a monster figure. It wouldn't take a whole lot more than that this year. Too for me because it was an underwhelming group this year Out probably get the wrath of some of the horse people out there. But i'm not picking whitmore i. I'll probably go with them second. I'm going with the coma. I just i think he was the better horses year One that the three races two of them in grade once. I do tend to count the one term dirt miles as sprint side. That maybe that's debatable. But i've always done it that way. Which basically means a cigar bio on the met mile can kind of count towards that sprint division. So for me. I landed on the coma. I have no problem with that. I have not decided yet like you. Unlikely to pick a horse coming out of the malibu no matter who wins that race. Because i just think they'd still be a little light on accomplishments unless the performance is just so overwhelming that stands out as one of the fastest of the year. I guess in that situation. I might consider it. We'll see because i'm the horses in. There are capable of running very fast races but among those that have run already. Whitmore's is a little tough to pick. Because he did get that. Breeders cup sprint win. It was eighteen to one that day His prior accomplishments were hardly befitting of an eclipse award champion so reluctant to lean so heavily on the breeders cup and ignore some of the accomplishments of other horses. That have one more great ones and as you said the coma has. He's got that carter mile when those were accomplished against legitimate fields and the carter was by seven lengths. I know it was in the slop. But he beat grade one fields in those races so I could really consider him. I haven't made up my mind yet. I suppose you could also look at horace like volatile who kind of like the coma had a career A career campaign that was cut short. He ended at three for three this year but he only has that one great win the vanderbilt in that just not not quite measure up to the colas to grab on wins. I think the others are kind of hard to make a case for. So we'll see what happens in the malibu. Yeah i want to say for now. I have forensic fire third in. Its his voice. I've really grown a light guy. He ran well again this weekend. root against them because of the decent service factor. But i just think he's been a real warrior. He showed that he does have some talented moved. The barney kelley breen and it just keeps running. Well why he won a few races year he ran third knepper years cup sprint. So he's the one i have penciled in and third and i should mention the other horse that i could merit some consideration is sees the rocket Because he does have multiple graded stakes wins in second and the breeders cup. He just lacks grade. One win and it's always tough for me to endorse a horse. That hasn't run a grade one race. I know that that's sometimes at the discretion of the graded stakes committee and some of the grade. Twos seem strong as a few of the great ones that we run during the year but I've got to go by what they're actually rated. Yeah and i'll i'll this the speak figure guy. I haven't talked much about steiger's. But i do consider him a little bit when i make my picks in here and the breeder's cup sprint was just it was the weakest breeder's cup sprint. I remember which kind of the me demoting whitmore down the second. I guess a little bit in similar easy rocket. He hasn't won a grade one in the races. He did win. Came back really slow. And i could even say that for volatile who was really impressive than the non graded stakes are angry one category but the one grade one that he did win before he was retired which this that race with the crazy slow pace and it would hard for me to elevate a horse that that was his only real win where it was a race which is no peace. He was able to walk on the and hang on to win moving onto the female sprint. Category things get a little clearer because it seems like it's going to be hard to deny. Gimme in this aboard. After the performance that she put it in the breeders cup. Filly amir sprint yet. For sure and that's why i mentioned earlier. I mean it's not. Like i would never vote for jimmy because of some pretty minor positives i would say i think he earned the awards. He was definitely the best. Sprinting female. So i made her my top pick in. I thought the other choices were pretty clear to. I went when sarah getty empress in second. He was clear a second best in that breeders cup. Helium mayor sprint. G ran some really good races earlier in the year winning room winning or running second in some spread so i have first second day. I went with glass slippers. The turf sprint winner. Who is actually just a really good horse but it would be hard to elevate or higher for one visits a grass sprint. This isn't the same level of you know people just don't consider highly yet as and it's just one race it's just one of the weaker divisions we have so. I couldn't put her any higher than third do that. But i i have no doubt cheese true. Great one philly. Yeah we have similar thinking here. I frankly just web at the exact same trifecta in that order from the breeders. Cup sprint camis. Getty empress bells the one. The last year they just have one grade one victory But i think they're surrounding accomplishments. Make them worthy of being finalists in this category inconven- just seems like the clear winner onto the male turf award and this is another one of those that i think is a little bit up in the air. There are many possible contenders. I think because you had a wide range of forces win at least one grade one race in this division including a few three year olds. Who did so personally for me. I would narrow things down to channel maker or austrailia who won the breeders cup mile and alpha who started out the year as the division winning the pegasus world cup turf. Obviously he didn't finish out his campaign and kind of tapered off a little bit But to me they seem like the three with the strongest accomplishments. While we're pretty close on here. I think i'm probably gonna settle on channel maker If memories are he's the one with the to grade one wins. He did it later in the year against good fields and he did it on a yielding and affirm turf course. So that's why i probably going to settle in. I the zulu alpha like the second best to me. So i have him as well where we slightly differ. The third i had was in still regard. Just as eh that win in manhattan the good second in fort marcy. But once you get down the third. I think you're kind of splitting. Hairs can come up with about five forces that that i could pencil in third even considered factor. This just because of its your body of work. How many times iran and how many races he won this year but the that's the direction i'm going on. You did mentioned the three year olds. But i didn't really consider any of those because they weren't really competitive against older horses and didn't run particularly fast yet. I i agree with you. That channel maker. He's the right. Pick in this category as you said. He's got those two grade one. Victories and i mean he ran a fantastic race in the breeders cup turf against two of the best europeans to come over to this country. In the past couple of years tarawa add magical. He just missed finishing second in that race. He just has the strongest accomplishments. He stays the best fields and run the fastest speed figures to me. He just looks like the right. Pick here and we pretty much agree behind him. Zillow alpha. I would definitely use him second or third the one of their horse that i would throw into the mix. I guess is united. He does lack grade one victory but he is just ahead shy of winning five grade to raise this year. They were all in california But he was the clear leader out there and he obviously didn't run this race in the breeders cup. We had a slight stumble on the far turn and Wasn't really persevered. With at the end of that ray so i'm willing to forgive that and i've never been the biggest fan of united but i can't deny that in this category among those that are His accomplishments do stack up pretty well. Yeah i kind of forgot about him just because the lack of a great one. But when i think about. I don't think they've run many great ones at longer distances in california. So i did one mention. That was a good point. You made about the breeders cup for channel maker. Because i was actually the deciding factor for me without well. He ran into breeders cup on top of those. Do great one wins thing onto the female turf category. It's kind of a similar situation. Where like order of australia could be considered a contender for the male turf. Award about craig and i don't really consider that we'd wanna vote for there are definitely some females that you can vote for that came from europe to win breeders. Cup races Those beating or doria and probably more likely to win this award tarnow. Who won the breeders cup turf and did complete an undefeated season having prior to that won two group one races in europe among the americans. I think it's pretty clear. Leading candidate is rushing fall. Who did not win her breeders cup race but she did just miss the breeders cup filly and mayor turf and prior to that she did one to grade one races yom Don't always like the go with a horse who just ships over in wins one race Beat the breeders cup race. But i thought tarnow wipe proves she was clearly the best so i i went with her first semi not only. Did you win breeders. Cup racy beat the males doing so so it would be hard for me to pick somebody else maybe of rushing fall it had a longer campaign with few more wins. I coulda done it but unfortunately she didn't. She only ran for time so it landed on her second granted. Those four races were great. I her thirty three wins in. I would argue. She might have been best. In that. breeders cup zillion turf at a distance. It was maybe a hair longer that she wanted to go but no knocks on her whatsoever. I definitely will flit her second. And the only one left for me was dari. I put her in third similarly. You know he only ran the one time but the come over in our best. I always struggle with things like this whether to pick rushing fall or charnel wa. I have no disagreement with you. The tarnaud ran a fantastic race in the breeders cup turf in that performance. Certainly trumps. Anything else that any other affiliate this category has run. But i do kind of lean towards the viewpoint that this is an award eclipse awards. They're generally four the american horses and as long as there's an american horse with legitimate accomplishments i try to give that horse the benefit of the doubt. So i think i would lean towards giving it to rushing fall like you. I wish that she had one more great one win. I wish she had a run a raise. The first lady at keeneland In the fall and collected another great one win there because she does just have the two. But what i will say. Is that diana they sarah toga i mean. It doesn't quite measure up to the breeders cup because it didn't have the european participation but that did collect some of the best filly and military forces in the country for that one race with mean. Mary insisted sister. Charlie finishing behind rushing fall as well as starship jubilee who also has her own credentials. That not necessarily for this award but she was one of the favorites in the british. Got billion mayor turf. So i could give it to rushing fall. I think i would lean in that direction though. I really can't fault. Anybody who gives it to tar. Because i do get that you point as well. I have no problem with by that leads in the other direction. F for me. It was about a fifty one forty nine percent call. I mean if turnout wasn't in here. I would pick up rushing fall over a dari as i did for second and third. I don't want to bank on one race. Oh yeah no. No problem with anybody taking rushing fall when i won't be surprised at all if he wins. Let's finish things out by briefly discussing some of the human categories mostly trainer and jockey. Because i think those are the easiest to make decisions about know things get a little trickier with some of the criteria used to determine things like owner breeder an apprentice jockey as far as the trainer award. I think there are some clear candidates. I don't know if there's a clear front runner and you can highlight many of them by looking at the leaders in earnings this year. I mean obviously steve asks stable an amazing year racking up more than four hundred victories over nine hundred million dollars in earnings he is the leading earner among trainers. But you've also got brad cox and bob baffert who had a fantastic season with a smaller. And you've got chad brown. Who's won this award. Recently in recent years. I should say perhaps chad brown didn't have the strongest year for his barn. But i guess he's a contender once again. You've got some you consider that lower down the list. I think the ones. I just mentioned are the favorites. Yeah i think you pretty much nailed a malwa. I'd be in the maske that i am. I tried to come up with an algorithm where i consider overall earnings. I consider grade one wins. I consider graded stakes. Wins in even doing that. It kind of puts evacuation out of the top three so I don't know if this is how with my votes or not but for now. It's where i'm leaning. I kinda scored them with chad brown. Getting a narrow. Advantage over. Both brad cox in bob baffert. I'm going to take a deeper dive and looking more at the individual horses but for now. That's where i'm leaning because it's not just a word it's not an award. I wanna give out for somebody that wins. You know with one or two horses. They went a whole bunch of races. And you say it may have been a down year for chad brown but it's a really good year for anybody else. That mooch trainers would love the hat so for now. I'm leaning chad. Brown brag cox. Bob baffert net order. Yeah i mean one of the metrics dialect like to look at is whether they don't provide. You could do some quick math. I like to divide the earnings by the number of starts to see you know the overall quality or the best sense that i can get the overall quality that a stable put out among all their starters. And if you look at it. That way i don't think it's any surprise. The bob baffert stands out from the competition. Just among the top fifty. Trainers by number of wins if you divide their earnings by the number of starts but efforts at sixty thousand dollars. Chad brown is second with twenty. Two thousand i mean. That's because bob baffert basically as a stable of steak sources and not much else and the others have more of an arranged quality from top to bottom. So you're going to get that kind of result bob efforts. I mean. Say what you will about whether you're a fan of his stable or his horses. But i think he has to be it for me considered the leading candidate for this award just based on accomplishments. I mean he leads. The charge was fifteen grade. One wins that was not just accomplished with one horse. He had a number of horses. Many different categories winning grade. One races So i mean bob baffert makes a lot of sense. I can't really fault chad. brown pick. He had a solid year for any top trainer. Not like he did last year when he had bricks and mortar campaigned horse of the year. And many other grade one winners. But he's definitely running ashes. Brad cox. I guess if i was gonna talk about some other. Trainers had notable years for them I point to mike maker who only achieved three grade. One wins but he did have fourteen graded stakes overall. He's right up there towards the top of the earners list and it just. He had very strong meets in new york right there for the saratoga training title and also bill maat who. I was kinda surprised when i looked at earnings per start. He was fourth on the list behind. Bob baffert chad brown and brad cox and he had four grade. One wins number graded stakes wins a solid year for him. Just not sure. It's enough to make him the winner of the train reward. I've got no problem with bob baffert in the end. When i do a little deeper dive. I may very well go with me. Obviously at a a strong year and we still have the malibu where he had charlotte coming back. I haven't checked la brea dec- who's in air so i really don't think you could go wrong. Pick in any of those top four. It's just a matter of which you put the most stock in whether it's you know the biggest wins at the top competition. Or how many good graded stakes sources you have or just how many races went around the country. So there's no clear cut criteria in a kind of beauty's in the eye of the beholder. I think it was far as the jockey award goes. I know i have a take on it. But i'm interested to see how you're looking at it greg because i think that there are number you can consider kind of like the trainer award but personally i i see too that i could narrow down to be curious to hear your take because i had it narrowed down the three. It's obviously i read ortiz using the same algorithm. I talked about. He kind of stands out above the competition. But again i do want to take a look at the individual. Horses does matter to me when i make my vote and then the other two would be joel. Rosario and also we size who i think is under the radar bit. He just doesn't have that name but hebrew some really good horses year one attic lot of big races so tentatively the way i haven't penciled in eyebrows ortiz louis says in joel rosario the would have the same three i think i read ortiz and ario for me are a cut above just kind of looking at the number of graded stakes wins overall in grade. One wins jaw. Argo does somewhat surprisingly lead all jockeys among grade. One wins this year and he did win them on many different horses for different stable. So i do wanna give him credit for that. I read ortiz wasn't the best year that he's ever had but he's obviously right up in there. He's kind of like chad brown and the trainer category and other solid year for him. But certainly not a stand out like he's been in some previous years and lewis. I as he's right up there when i look at the earnings per start metric that i was talking about George was number one on that list. And i read trees actually third lewis eye drops down to sixth. He probably didn't ride in quite as many graded stakes races as those other two did but for me i would make those my top three. I would have louis sayas solidly in third. And i have to decide between iran and joel and for me. I'm leaning towards drivers dario. Because you know i read ortiz. He had a good year for him. But i think for the kind of writer that he has had an exceptional year and just looking at the fact that eleven grade one races was pretty close up there on the earnings list to the top despite having fewer amounts iran. I think it's i think it's an award to give him. And also i don't wanna i don't wanna get too much into personal impressions that go aside from the data but i read. Ortiz gets a lot of great mounds and georgia's reo rides for many different bar. And it's not like he's a stable writer for one guy like iraq can be with chad brown. Although i read does ride for other barnes as well. I want to give them credit for that but jewelers. Reo earned his grade. One victories with some amazing rides. And i do want to give credit for that. So he'd be my winner in this category. I've got no problem with joel. In fact i voted for last year. In a maybe. I have a little guilt about that. Because i've read was such a a landslide winner last year as the top rider. So but joel. They'd have a better year this year than he did last year. So maybe you swayed me. I'm not sure. I'm gonna have to give it a deeper look up. I admittedly did not spend as much time on the the humans as i did on the equine part of this as yet partly because we still have some big races to be run in a couple of our close calls for me but i think we have the top three nail down pretty good yet and as far as the owners go want to spend a lotta time on this because you already said to be beforehand that you want to look at it a little bit more. I do too. I will say as a point of general philosophy with the owner and breeder award I tend to go more with owners and breeders that had multiple horses rather than just one good horse so you won't find me casting a vote for the combination of spend thrift meyer stores. Madigan starlight racing campaigned authentic. I would or sakata's who just campaign to the law. I would look more towards owners that had multiple good horses in their barnes and there are many from which to choose. I don't have a top three singled out just yet of a few that considering clara vich who won last year Godolphin three diamonds the leaders in earnings per star till among those with the most wins. But there are definitely others to consider. So i would look at if you'd for metrics but kind of use that kind of of outfits that had success across the board. Yeah and the tough thing for me with owners. And the reason i said i need to take some more time it's are so many partnerships out here I gotta look back and see how you know if somebody's half owner of one horse in full owner another. How much credit did they get for the half. And i really wanna ask some people about that if it's actually really hard data yet because we don't get stats presented to his like that. We get them all listed separately. Every single partnership is listed separately. If they're not exactly the same so it's going to take some work. But i i do wanna put some time into it and give it a look. I don't know if you have any thoughts about apprentice jockey breeder. I'm not really prepared to talk about either one. You don't make decisions obviously and look data. But they're not ones that i've really. I've done to form opinions yet. The apprentice jockeys always tough and especially this year when there obviously was not a clear standout. Yeah i mean. I did give that one book. I'm probably gonna side with alexander. Chris been the win that win. I actually think always card. Alias is the best pre apprentice out there by by far to be honest is based on wary rides. But he'll probably win that award next year would be my guess. I think he still has some time left. You comment on that. I think you know more about that than than i would. But that that's where it landed. There is a guy carreira. Who's been riding in ohio mostly. Who has the most wins and generally. That's where i slide with but in this case is a lot of those winds were racked up at mountaineer. Fissile down mahoning valley. And i just think the racing in maryland. The delaware where chris van has been winning is just on a much higher level so i gave him a little more extra credit. All come out. And say i'm not familiar with all of the writers in this category. I'll probably go and watch some of their biggest wins to see if i could just get a sense of what kinds of writers they are Just to get a brief sample of that before. I cast ballot but considering the same ones that you mentioned the one of the writer that i would throw in there as charlie marquez. Who had some success in the mid atlantic region has won races in on the new york circuit since coming here. So he's one that i would consider. I agree with you about louis cardenas. I think he's shown a lot of promise. But doesn quite have the credentials to win this award yet. So we'll see what happens in the future. But i want to do a little more research. I yeah i'm with you. And i have charlie marquez second so all right well that's the clips of discussion for this week and i think that might be it for our podcast this week because we're not planning to record one on christmas. Which is this upcoming friday. So time for him. It was forecast this week. We'll see about next week for doing pace gas. But gotta talk to craig about that But we'll decide and tweet that out when we have that information if we don't talk to you before then then everybody has a happy holiday and i wish you guys premature happy new year as well and thanks for listening throughout the. I know that we have a lot of fun doing this. Yeah happy new year. Merry christmas happy hanukkah whatever it is you celebrate Enjoy your time in this. What's been really rough year. And i also want to give a special shout out to craig. I hope he doesn't mind me mentioning this. But i just got first christmas gift in the mail. Today it is from my podcast co host. It is a bond raison breeders cup hat. I will cherish it forever. So thank you for that craig. You're more than welcome all right. Thanks for listening this week. Wherever you could always catch us. Dear dot com spotify youtube and soundcloud. Riveter podcast just make sure to subscribe to the daily racing form janelle. Thanks for listening to everybody and have a great holiday season.

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Oh yeah absolutely. There's usually one paint Race every not quite every card at least every other car to usually go the minute maid minute maid orange juice and few other beverages That coke food zone and snow. Crop was their product to and They flew me down to the houston. And i walked. I can't remember if i with the intercontinental hobby but I all i remember is sliding glass doors opening and feeling like a blast furnace had just hit me in the face and i and i said well. I won't be coming here to work. That is not the. I i'm I'm i'm a. I don't know cold weather Preferences to hot weather for me at least at time my life i couldn't i could not see moving down there for anything. Yeah the only place that similar is is he know when you walk out of the fort lauderdale airport. I feel like because the miami airport when you walk out it down below everything when you walk out of the fort lauderdale same feeling you get that just that blast of hot air as you. Exit knitted a similar feeling. Here there was a group that came in last night and the sweet next door. The announcer booth is and so i. I was walking down to get coffee. And they're the age was blowing so hard inside there. Suites at their their window is all up because of course it was so sticky outside and that's just very very very common for us this time of year and i remember i think it was maybe three years ago or so. It was very hot. It could have been more than that was very hot at the beginning of the saratoga meet and i was talking to to our friend andy sterling he said when i walk outside. My glasses fogged dump. That's how hot it was. And i said yeah. That happened to your generally from april through october there. So but now. What doesn't affect the corridors. This too bad. Luckily we run at night here. I don't know how they do start to thirty five everyday. But that's you know. They're made their their tough brand up there north texas. I guess Well let's take a look. Nick at this cross country last one before the summer break and it's an all stakes version Last week again proved you know too. Tough to tame like darlington and Let's see if we can't get through this. And i suppose in a what it some degree we should maybe talk the foster because the question. Let's do that. Let's talk about whether max field is in fact a solitary a that week. Lean on to make this thing into a pick for. Yeah you know. And and i think the best approach with max field is is to do that is just be aggressive and assume that he's better than these horses because i mean on paper he really is. He just looks. He looks like a complete layover. He looks like four to five might be value. Based on the alysheba. I had been kind of a maximal detractor. I would say to an extent. Because i felt like he was very overrated beating up on very weak courses at fairgrounds. And you know everybody was sort of seduced by the the word undefeated is just so overused now Even when you're using it on a horse that is undefeated it's just it's a label that people really seek out. That really means very little. Given that it has no context. So i felt like backfield took a big step forward in me ali sheba and he might just be a little bit better horsa churchill. Then he is anywhere else. Wouldn't be all that surprising. So i think he has this field over a barrel. I don't see Him really having much trouble. Obviously there should be a little bit of pace. If warriors charge can get out of the gate and one piece which did not happen. Obviously down at lonestar. He looks to be the pace. But it feels like max field will always have him in his sights and he's just a he's a much better horse warriors charge so i think it would be. It'd be awfully surprising for things to go any other direction. I think he's one definitely not very good all right. So that That sets us up to look at the other four raises essentially as a pick four and it starts with the bashford. So let's let's go there. Yeah and this is it starts with the yes. Oh bastard manner which looks like a very competitive race which you know a lot of times. These early season two year old races or not. They're not quite as competitive. Sometimes you'll get one or two horses. That really ran significantly faster than everybody else. And that's not the case at least based on buyers beat figures everybody's sort of in the same range you know roughly around sixty in years past week scoff at horses that that todd pletcher ran at monmouth or in other jurisdictions and brought to new york. But that's what he did with double thunder and this is the worst. It looks like she's jeez relatively solid. He sat on top of the slow pace and pulled clear to win that day but it looks to have some talent so to glacial for norm. Cassie who's quietly had a very very good. Churchill meet looks to have some really talented two year olds as well and this is a horse that they paid the series money for a frosted hundred and forty thousand dollars after working sharply at the The march sale and came out and delivered. Didn't really get much support that they the windows but the pulled clearly to win at seven to one. I've lied enormous four. With two year olds at the churchill. Meet which is just very very solid and i source overcame. Some adversity coming out of the gate. I think he's clearly the one to beat. And i think that given all that happened in that race i'm not overly concerned with him Having to come from a little off. But i think the same can be said for vodka and water also thought landsdowne was an impressive debut winner. Show i think you're going to have to go deep year. I'm gonna use every bit of the one two four eight nine Just as as as because. I think you're gonna you're gonna be able to narrow it down a little bit the other to churchill legs including the foster and This this one just looks pretty wide open to me all right so one. Two four eight nine to start in the bashford and Let's then go to this down and talk about that group In the ohio. Derby and i thought this was Thought this was not the not easy. No it really wasn't And you know. I think there are a couple of things going on obviously. I don't know where matt parade last race came from but if it is duplicated he's going to be very very tough. I mean that was a hey. I'm i'm a fringe derby player type of effort Just powering clear that field. And i know it wasn't a particularly robust bonds should not necessarily come back and run all that great sin southern passage came back and basically validated the speed figure before running fourth in the in the matt win but Regular guy came back and kind of dropped twelve point so that being said i mean it. It's almost irrelevant. Given the way. Mass pre grand. It just seems like a stretch to expect him to run like that again. This is a tough for field from top to bottom. There's some real horses in here and there are some derby competitors in derby types. That are getting lasix now because we're past that stage and if they can be treated with it in ohio so i'm keen fury's of course it's gonna get a lot of support and deservedly so he was an impressive winter of the lexington granted with a huge pace setup that day but i ran what i thought was an impressive race and kenny mcpeek was willing to run him in the kentucky. Derby off of Of that race of surprise when he didn't make the derby that mcpeak rerouted to ask it or something like that given the way he campaigned to sources in the past. But all kidding aside and maybe in what looks like a very realistic spot promise keeper one a historically week running the peter pan but But did so in solid fashion looks to be a pretty obvious source in here. I think one that you're definitely gonna wanna use Now we're off percents care He's a bad horse and lost to a particularly bad horse. Last time in barton I i don't see how i could use him. He's going to be a bit of a price by. I thought this was another where you're going to be relatively deep. I mean i'm use the one four. I thought the reds was a little bit interesting. Coming in from the pine ridge. I thought he grant ups. A winning race in the in the casio to back was a bit of a questionable cube. But he certainly put himself in position has the right kind of running style. Keep me in mind is gonna come from way out of it. The blinkers are going back on. I don't. I don't even think he was a good horse with blinkers. So i'm a little. I'm skeptical It looks to me. Like proxy is done as well. So we're not gonna mainly focused on four in ten. I'll use seven eight. Nine in. Some capacity is backups but i think promise keeper masquerade. We'll have the right kind of trips. Pays wives and things heat up imperial position so one four and ten as your principal all right. Let's take a look in new york and Before we talk new york Meaning the race. That is in the sequence which is the wild applause the night a thought about the mother goose. It's you know. I remember going to belmont with my dad twenty one years ago and we watch secret status in the mother. Goose goose and this is not my father's mother. goose. I will say but it is It's a race. where always corinna looks like. She's in position to wire the field. I don't really know if she's any good. I think she's good enough to win this race whether she's good enough to compete with mollified or potentially even her stablemate search results. I don't know she sat on a very solid very strong inside. Last time powered clear set a slow pace. you know. I hope that they try and create a little separation practiced very good front end rider. I i would imagine he will clear the only other horse like i could see. Winning illegal does look like she's moving forward a little bit but this is just a vastly different group of forces and she's faced last time both claire and always greener a lot better than than what she's been facing so i'm expecting it to be pretty doll in always greener to wire the field. Okay interesting This is another place. Where rusty arnold turns up and that phillies okay. Yes she's not bad. I mean it was That was a that right. Economy is is You know good about it. Obviously if somebody pushes green i guess you know you could look for you. Maybe hope that the problem is make mischief is gel or the other horses in the industry with speed and i don't think to riders in new york. Take their horses back on. A higher percentage basis and eric console and joel rosario so it's going to be very hard to expect either those horses to be ford replaced make mischief. Maybe might be ridden for a little bit of speed to make it harder for always created a clear by I just don't. I think the pace is going to be very much in in always greener favor and i think pratt's very good on the front end so it's gonna be it. Looks relatively boring to me I'm expecting it to be kind of an always carina wire job. And we'll see where she lands next. I would imagine if this goes well. They'll look potentially alabama and see your letter take on some of the heavies division. Yeah exactly all right. Let's talk about the wild applause. These are three year. Old fillies going a mile on the grass and Got got some you know you got some horses that are going in the right way and Some that You know are still kind of underexposed How wide we gotta go here. I'll tell you this is an interesting race. I think you probably have to use. I'm gonna use three And mid known for chad brown was very impressive in her north american. Yes she came from well off. The pace was a slow pace and she just obliterated that field now you look through that field. There wasn't much in there. It was not a particularly tough race. She kinda did what was expected being even money off of sort of you know modest european form ag- even though she was a group three winner the mile question. There's not really anything. Pedigree that would indicate a mile should be a problem. Obviously chat around. The guy would really trust in this kind of scenario. So i don't think it'll be an issue. She's probably not gonna get a ton of pace to run out in here and might actually end up finding herself as the horse. That's tasked with setting the pace. I think that'd be great. So i think the easiest way to get around there when you're trying to get more distance contrary to what a lot. It's modern trainers seats. You think it's going to the lead some kind of hopeful that she's written for a little bit of pace out of the gate. Love's truck was very impressive winner on debut and the on closing day saratoga and then came back and won the tap in over invincible gal. Who of course this takes place now. Great place as a three year olds herself so I think you have to use minoan. Efg love's truck. And i was very impressed with rate by. I did not think the by could be competitive in the soaring softly. David aragona picked her and she ran very well now petras. Reo with can sell riding a- bubbled on ice. so i'm gonna use those three the The two three and seven. Who looked to me like one of those three a win it. I know all the one hilltop last time. She got a great ride and a tremendous pace setup. She is probably a little cut below. Some of these i think as she steps up a tatting class that they're both hundred thousand dollar stakes races. Looks more like one. That could have a great next to it bye. Bye-bye stands to you know to to be the pace. And and you know frank o. Can meet her out there You know off the dogleg. I if if there was a little bit more if there was more lickin here and there just i guess i'm just looking up and down ice. There really isn't This horse of larry h. Men's the home-bred the flintshire philly. I think You know this may be aggressive and and and a lot to ask in a third career. Start but i think Runaway rumors okay. I you know. I was impressed with the ray she ran on debut. She beat a terrible field but she did it in in you know about as impressive a fashion as you can coming from last after breaking someone slowly With no pace whatsoever and field. She was week but it was really more of a of a how the race was run type of situation and then she was very game. Let i'm coming from well off of it to get the job done over spongy. This is a big jump in class. No doubt about it. I mean there's a. There's a difference between even melissa type stakes sources and new york bred one other than so she's going to have to elevator game but she's a talent. There's no no question about in my mind and I think there's there definitely some opportunities at least amongst new york branch for her down the line you see her becoming one of the one of the real players in that division but i think she deserves an opportunity gets okay company There's no no doubt also that she's been. She looks good on the sheets. For sure she's been wide very very wide in both prior starts and And has that sort of relentlessly rodman. So i i could be including her at least as a backup if you feel a little more strongly. Get her in that line. she's going to be. Yeah exactly and then back to churchill for the wise dan. Which if we're all singling Max 'field then technically. I mean the wise. Dan might be considered. You know as the anchor leg for our purposes and this is a good group it is a good group and there's real competition here for setpiece. Set piece was very impressive in winning. The overnight stake last time a- back on that say steak laden car to churchill He wasn't going away he's now won. Impressively two in a row. He's a horse with talent. Brad cox has also campaigned him in about as unaggressive fashion as you could. But greg cox also likes to win races so he he's somebody who banks a lot on high percentages and set pieces being racist where he's been very heavily backed and this should be another one although you know the their voices in here that that are actually a lot better than their recent running lines. Look and to me. The the one that really qualify under in that category is feel past because field pass ran very very well in the maker's mark mile and then came back in the man of war and you know that was race where people like me thought he was going to get the lead and that this was going to be kind of an opportunity for lewis is to dictate the pace to everybody else which he so good at and it ended up that That he couldn't leave from channel cat and tired late going a mile three eight. I actually like them quite a bit on the cutback. And i think he's very dangerous going now on my on the sixteenth which is probably a little bit better for him be assumption also when horses like this running races like that is that oh mike makers just better with everybody as he stretches them out and that's also not completely true so i feel very dangerous. I'm gonna use him new set pieces well a some like it. hot brown. The other mike maker trainy is coming off a win in the dinner party. He's another one that had some running lines that were a better than they looked given the way he had been involved in some hot paces. The league really looks like his for the taking here. I don't imagine anybody's gonna go to wild trying to to keep him from getting to the fine so i would imagine that that he's a horse that you'd probably want to use So i it's going to be the to makers and and cox for me with the the one three and eight and hopefully we'll get better. This is a ticket. You're gonna punch a few times. We'll hope for for the best price in the the bashford manor and max field of course to get the job done. Maybe the best of our prices in the wild applause because It looks like a race. It looks like a sequence that you can lean on max field and then hope that you're right just a couple of times well to run down starting with the bashford manor one two four eight nine with the one for ten in the ohio derby the two three seven in the wild applause and the one three eight in the wise dan and Max field is the eight in the foster will. hopefully that hopefully This fosters This this wise opinion fosters One of the laws of when when we get to the end we will hope so. Because you're a wordsmith and poet just sort grabbed me by though lapels. Although i'm not wearing something with lapels nick anyway are you now. We've seen the nhc tracks today. Are you going to the nhc of course with your being dragged out of saratoga for the nhc that is commitment. Not only my going for the nhc. I'm going to del mar before it. I wonder i thought about that the other day you mentioned to me the you might try and parlay the together and this is a first. This is the first time. Delmar for you in the summer. Yes i've only ever been There when there was nothing happening. And then i was there with the breeders cup and so this is For and it just so happens will be there for Pacific classic weekend. Yeah that's going to be great i. I don't i guess delmar in november. I've been to delmar november. Once domo in november would probably be like running a saratoga in like a. It's just not. There's no vibe. There's no none of what makes del mar. Del mar exists in november. So i mean you've only been two del mar in my opinion when you've gone the summer so and you're going to get the best of it in terms of racing too. So that's that'll be. That'll be a great trip and the tracks were announced today. So that's something to look forward to and two weeks of steve big out of saratoga. During the forty days stint that's not Not not very often. Well we've also got a problem because I realize this morning or this morning last night. with with when tina said to me To to mom. And i quickly said yes and then i said wait a minute. Let me look. Don't be weakened opening weekend. I i it's like you gotta be kidding so i've got i don't know. I think this happened two years ago. What i did was that was the crazy you know with the the hundred eighty degree. Yeah sane I think what we did. Two years ago was we went to opening day and then after opening day We drove down to ocean port. And did the show friday the the haskell eve show friday and then that haskell day and of course actually haskell ended up so crazy. We ended up at the beach all day. Because the you know the race didn't go off until you know what time it was like. Seven o'clock So it was kind of funny and We'll see about that. And then i got to be back on sunday because we've got television with and i'm already i've already been replaced by It seems The lenny shulman's going to sit in for a couple of weeks while i'm away. So yeah that's that's That's half the minutes been. It's been years now. Since haskell was run out. I mean was run on opening opening weekend but that was back when opening day was a wednesday. I remember my sir toga. Trip was in two thousand nine and opening day was going to say wednesday. The twenty ninth of july. I think it was bill martinsburg and then we went up to. We went down for the haskell on. We left sunday morning. And rachel. alexandra. When the haskell that was my first for sarah toga trip and so yeah it'll be. It'll be an action packed. Calendar that's There's there's a lot going on those last three weekends in july and it's right around the corner made up here on out. It's something every week to suburban is next week. And that's actually shaping up as a really nice rates mystic guide happy saver potentially country grammar and then the following week stars and stripes and the following saratoga. So you're not here. We go well. And i haven't even included that. I'm being recruited by by judge. Coker bill coker out It in rochester is recruiting me to come out and broadcast from finger lakes on non new york derby day. Which is a monday to Pass up now that we're all able to congregate again like hey come on come on. Let's do this. Let's do that together. I think we all thought that being hundred percent attendance at different things. We thought we were. Probably you know three to four years away from that happening again but it is awfully nice and it's good that good things started trending this direction that the pandemic was rough enough. Well we may. We may have to go out The last time. I was out there. Gary wanted With it at once. More and Drove out actually had a really fun day Out of one hundred and one figure that truly that's right and in fact In fact gary gary going out He's got that horse of eddie of eddie's Jouda job is running in the Yup and he's going to run in the new york derby and he should you know stretch out for him. should really work and in fact eddie yesterday and gary gary's nine hundred ninety nine hundred jasmine ask nine. I think you pick jasmine s quiz. The jazz after the better worse than people realise she'd also been horribly disadvantaged by slow pace her last couple races so it was Yeah it was a good spot. A very very nice twice A couple of quick notes actually a hammer standing by but this is now triggered a few things you talked about the nhc Del mar ellis park golden gate gulfstream monmouth saratoga and woodbine will be the seven tracks used for nhc when we get to bally's in august And then you mentioned this. And the triggered eddie f and of course. Eddie fs verb seafood Lobster rolls and the whole belly clams and you bet right in saratoga But Their win yesterday gary now at nine hundred ninety four wins so he's six away from one thousand eddie cannoli. He's magically delicious. He's sitting at nine nine nine so neely very well. I think he's got three got two or three in today So eddie's gonna hit His thousandth win as early. Yeah he's got a three in today. Now he's in the fourth fifth and the eleventh. Unfortunately he's not in the Kelly's landing he that would have been trained probably that that would have been great if had had a hit is the Actually one of two millionaires that An eddie's had three grade one winners named the other two Bushfire pain that ridiculous one. That won the ashley a couple years ago. I keep wanting to say out for a spin but that was the that was the dallas stewart won that one. At least valentine was no salary. Valentine actually you know what. Sal that i think. She is of great that you now that you say that. I think she did win. That's yes look at you. So he's got four grade one winners because He had a foster winter breaks. Stir offred's yeah actually does so ironically braids. Her is named for the owner. Joe sutton's grandson. Joe suddenly sits in the second row at astros game. I played joe. Sutton's daughter taught at the school that i went to how funny and he's actually he got brady that's great. He's got a fifth grade one. Winner abscond won the town by canadian. Greet one exactly there you go. That's that's it's worth seventy percent at american around the barn and tells her friend that she wanted great want but nobody else in the barn tells anybody winter so ridiculous. Nick tamra everybody and tam one two one five neck Thanks for a great first half of the year. We'll talk in two weeks. Sounds great my good luck. Thanks for having me nick. Several the for 'voliti never ends rick hammersley standing by dave. Good morning. how you doing. I'm doing great. I'm doing great i. I can sense the excitement in your voice. Why would that be why. Because i i actually get six days off. I think and you know what i tell you. I think They people people should follow you. It's a good time to take a break in racing. You know churchill's ending. We're getting ready for dalbar saratoga. You know maybe. It's time to puff up the bankroll little bed. Take the family out for a little road trip for ten days or so weeks and Comeback rash with like you get ready for the the second half of the year. The good time to take a break. Yeah we've been doing. This is always been whenever tina's whatever team has done with school. it seems to coordinate perfectly so And the same courses. True at christmas time She you know it's funny. We were just talking about The trip to del mar in in august pacific classic week and And then we're gonna. That will move over to vegas. And she's going to stay like i don't know two three nights in vegas before she goes home. There's no need for her to hang around while i'm while i'm broadcasting the nhc And so she says to me she. She started watching this Pretty actually it's pretty entertaining Show about a vacation villas. vacation Places and they do a budget one. They do a luxury one and they do a unique one. It's three fairly young kids to two girls a guy and it's quite fun We've seen we've seen. They did one votes and floats and they did one. I dunno tree. Houses are whatever. Anyway they they were out there out in wyoming or at some State park and they were in this really cool mercedes many. It's it's like a big minivan small. Rv it's you know it's not as big as an rv but it's not as small as a van. Have you seen these. It like the amazon delivery trucks exactly. Yeah yeah yeah little bit bigger than a surfer van but not quite an rv. i gotcha. They're of tall limb. It's it's called a. I want to say a sprinter. And maybe it's a mercedes' whatever it it's got a cute little name it's really cool and i it's gonna drive that out to california when you know. No no no no but she for the first time ever. She's acknowledged that That she'd be interested in in some some sort of a r rv experience. That which i've been pushing for a long time And so now. She's interested so she says to me you know we're already going to be out in california. Why don't we do that for like you know. The i looked it up actually have to do it for seven. The rentals are seven days. They operate in the western states. Like in ten western states You have to take it for seven days minimum but with that that particular thing sprinter or whatever the hell it's called so i said i said tina said i'm glad that you're looking forward to the vacation. I'm going to be working. I have a radio show to do. It's the middle of the prime pacific classic week. And then the nhc but also travers we and and she's ready she's ready to you know do something out of city slickers where where you know. We're going to be You know we're going to be looking for for curly's one thing i crazy. Well you can. How many places have i done this show from across the how many national parks and places on the road. If i can do it you can do it. I mean there's there's nothing like it get in something like that and hit the road Got plenty of errors for you. Wanna do you know national parks in utah wyoming colorado You know you'd have a blast and and he literally you could. You could find some local station and set it up and go in and do your three hour show from there At some local station somewhere and get back in the van and get the road so It's it's it's twenty twenty one. You don't have to be the all you can do it from the road so i'm with tina do it. We're gonna we may. We may have to carve out Song to there may be casey. There may be a two week vacation in in in the next year or two. You know what's funny is. I have well to Chad nicholson and And mike lake how they're both in wyoming right now so of course i get you know. Get the house. Where do i go. What do i do. And so there Hopefully getting ready to do some rafting down the snake river and get little yellowstone sanson buffalo and You know you just You know there's nothing like it out here in the west. We you get your receipt those things a lot but when you come from you know east to the mississippi it's a little different world out here but it's just get addicted stand out in the wilderness and different things but Anyway glad you're glad you're common To the real del. Mar in august Start shopping for sunglasses and Para short do not show up in a coat and tie. We'll go through the the dress code when you get here but Anyway glad you're coming for that you'll enjoy it or looking for you to be great. It's funny. I heard you with was cooking breakfast when i heard you talking to marty and mentioning knows Those claims three claims out of as a two year old race. Three hundred thousand dollar claims in the same race and Same owners team trainer and interestingly enough. I got a phone call that afternoon from from one of the parties who had a horse claim and as asking that legal. We just got a horse. Three of them Same person You know and i said well. I mean to say if they allowed it. I'm sure it's legal you know. I'm sure they didn't decide that day to turn on. I don't know the role in kentucky Which is another one of our crazy things that we were trying to get straightened out. So just take that crazy role. So they're allowed in get. I found out. I called up someone who work there and i said what's the rules in kentucky. You're allowed to take three horses paraiso. An owner trainer California you get a train ticket drop to claims the same worse you can take more than one worse than the raised in arkansas. You can only when one parade for owner and trainer. So they're all different but Yeah there were a little worried that if it was legal and this and that but I've never heard of anything like that. Now we have a lot of claims that go on volume wise in hot springs but never never seen three horses for that tag. Go in the same race let alone be at the same Same connection so kind of cool and You know There's something to be said about climate horse. It's ready to roll rather than taking out. They also i. I i know if i was gonna if i was gonna spend one hundred grand with somebody is and whatever i think. I just assumed blame a couple high fan and you know raise the next week so i get it. Why not i. I understood immediately. The you know the the appeal and yeah he paid a premium for for you know. Some of them it. It's you know at the same time if you if if you bought one if your bread one for forty and then you had the upkeep you know until until it becomes a racer. That's another thirty thousand or so so you know figure. Somewhere between fifty and seventy To get you know a horse to the races so to have three two year olds that you know got experience and cost you three hundred thousand. Yeah you paint a little bit of a premium. But you're in business. You're inaction so i the i understand it so it makes makes some sense. Yeah i totally agree so Well we're we finally came to the end of the santa anita meet last weekend and He goes Very collective side just to say okay. Good move onto to to Look at me for nine days racing. Three or four this week and for maybe for this week five next week something like that. And they end on the theft and then low behold they got an eleven daybreak until del. Mar steve anderson wrote an article. And just as you know unprecedented and and you know finally You know been calling for breaks Out here for a long time. And as far as i'm concerned there should be tendered. Ten eleven daybreak. Every you know three or four months just to refresh everybody. But going into the delmore me here. Which starts on the sixteenth. I think similar to insert toga starts but You know a lot of is going to be on down mark just to see if they can you know. Get it going after a little bit of a sluggish meaning. Santa anita Did out well. That's cars at the end. That were that were a playable and and well but I don't mark gonna have to step it up. They're going to you know. Most of the meat will be four days which it needs to be and some of those horses you were talking about earlier as well from kentucky. That have nowhere to go. I think you'll see a couple of those Barnes simpson's sent some horses out to the dell mark. Let we'll have david on. David jerkins when you get back and I talked to him last week. And they're excited to hopefully get some guys to come out and dave them but We'll get david on racing secretary there from damore when when you get back and he'll go over some of that some did find points but I think maybe fifty sixty horses from from from kentucky headed to del mar as as a you know a different location to go just because of the circumstances so You know anytime. We get like that and a new meet out here. It's it's good so Keep an eye on that once again. Now at a los alamos you know. The biggest thing going is they. They're the last fashion of the two dollar regular pick six so Keep your eye on that The the it'll start out there will be carryovers. They'll start out you know sixty seventy thousand and then that'll that'll triple or quadruple go in. But they'll they'll last the last of the last Two dollar a regular pick six carryovers so keep an eye on that and also be reminded that Yeah it's it's a meet that Is for some of some of the smaller trainers. Give them shot to win a pot and actually the persons are very very healthy for their but good horses do run there and do start there. You'll see some two year olds from some of the bigger barns Not afraid to run their because they like the surface or maybe they train their and some of the bigger trainers have their off their ops. Upstate stabling their so You know it's a fun meet and Little short one here. There's a couple more couple more meats coming up with with Later in the year with del mar but I mean excuse me later. The with los in between so many other but check it out But i said kind of a break your head and into dumb which which bodes well for the racing down there and Good cards this weekend Churchill churchill ends on a on a real big high. Excuse me but still down the card. It doesn't came out pretty good. And you're talking about the ohio derby which is great but the race before that with the only raise the lady jacqueline. I can't remember them putting up to fifty for gillian. Mary eighth on the sturt. I can't remember this race. The era leafy being this is As full of a race and competitiveness as they drew this year. Well let me. Let me actually Address something in there. Because i just checked with todd pletcher spices. Nice is scratching from the lady. Jacqueline in favor of the floor delay. We probably figured that Staying home at one three hundred and his home. I got to run against A little bit tougher but y- you know you probably maybe if you'd have been You know a five or sealed in in In cleveland and you know been two to five she would stay but this is not an easy bunch share. So you know. Take a look at that. And starting to see in the p. P. is this as as we've seen crystal ball Previously trained by bob baffert. There's a few of those in in coming up So she's there She'd be she's worth a look. Jilted bride that steve asks in iran really big and At oakland you notice some of those horses that have run run of really really transferred their forum to other race tracks Brad cox can. He's got so many of these Get rid of elle's you is in there so nice a nice and ice bunch in there so you know if you're looking at Harare logistical on the rail with joe. Bravo traveling joe You know take this race before you you step in To the ohio derby and say shades of of years ago this used to be a good prep race for the hassle Way back when. Tom how schools run a little bit later in the counter and in july but I remember king glorious. Ran ran here before he won the half. Go i think skip away. Ran near Frisk me now. Ran here so it was a big theater into the hassle. I think walkie brew ran this race one in this race but great rendition I heard some of the guys going over it. I i which is to see. Somebody's raises some of these sources. Have run in the peter. Pan the arkansas derby the kentucky the kentucky rates the lexington I'm settled on some proxy in here. Come back in for coming. Back from mike steadham once again with with with joe bravo It's a very tough sealed. I liked him a little bit. Some of the races horse are coming off good performances in the slot. Not sure that how that's gonna transfer and then You know you gotta be intrigued by by the l. stall horse Masquerade and these these teams either bust as they go on but this horses feel especially in the mile distance that he's going to run a big one but Very contentious rates up there at the down. Rarely pull those bp's but But does out and The guys comments about the about the rates is there and at churchill so I know you got Pablo coming up. So we'll let you go but Enjoy the vacation You know give us a call on the way. I knew i gave you a spots. Check out there and and lake champlain. I hope you get up there but enjoy yourself and everybody take a break and get ready for the second half exactly. That's exactly the plan hammer. I appreciate it. Thanks for a great six months and we'll look forward to a big summer ahead away. They go everybody on your twitter machine. Rick hammersley and lots of planning already in place for kentucky downs. Not that far off for hammer. And he'll be he'll be motoring east We've got about five six minutes left to close out the first half of the year and pablo morales. We've had have haven't been able to catch up the papal the last couple of weeks so great the finish the first half with him pop. Oh good morning. Good morning feed had a couple of a couple of good Form to win ideas actually a canterbury and it was certainly helpful to have it as a reference at of at a venue where not everybody's familiar and I thought it was. I thought it was alright. Are the north the the The price play was was that king of miami to win had rank. You know second. So that was you know. Some of the other parts of the sequence. Were you know favorites. But the king of miami that definitely find some things off and wasn't that you know just filter and press the button and he was ranked second so he was definitely usable. Let's spend the last three or four minutes here. The looking at tomorrow sequence at churchill and the foster the feature where max field is going to be a very heavy and i gotta go back to my. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to reboot it because Brought it up about twenty minutes ago half an hour ago and it's been sitting idle so i got a reboots. I'll let you lead in and pick some spots At churchill tomorrow. I mean just speaking with with immigration stephen foster i mean max killed was on the top horse on for him to win interesting chess. Cheap is ranked second and he's a little bit of probably twelve the one and then overdose was was third. Just you just never know kind of what. You're going to get with silver dusty. Tie throwing. It seems sometimes had some gator shoes and sometimes you just doesn't cooperate. Those are the top three plays on On formed a win for the foster. Just backing up on the wise dan I'm only going to go to comment and field pass They were both qualifiers. Meaning average equity feet figure and their average formed a win for both in the top three. So i'll try to squeak by Just with those two and then you know the the two year old race is i'm not gonna go into a lotta with limited data set but i will say backing up into the The war which seven you know obviously starring in my dreams and helium. first time turf So you know use those as you want on pedigree the The interesting horse here seat is l. Kabong act i love how was ranked number one on on one way and it was you know it was royal prince and next with the top three choices Maybe maybe some prices in the mix there i. I like a forward going horse like that. And if the algorithm is already identifying alka buying as a major player that's very encouraging it's a. it's a great sequence tomorrow night at a churchill as it always is on definitely looking forward to playing along and then just to go over the nightcap the tap and sake you finish it off going. You know mile on the grass Nothing too interesting here. I mean toby hard invisible. How the horse. It was interesting from underneath standpoint. What is spoken to win identified with bullseye beauty who's Fifteen the one on the morning line. So maybe in the knicks underneath if you're playing the Verticals i'm also Pulling up since. I knew you were already on on the mark For churchill. i pulling up. This'll down and i was curious to see what we've got when it comes to that ohio derby with the the big bulky field and by the way speaking of You just mentioned the tappan. I do see our friend One of our friends on twitter responding About malloy and i Saying that he did think necessarily that that she was gonna run in the nightcap. Which i would be very disappointed so i just reached out to wayne catalano and For confirmation from from ueno whether she's whether she's actually going to go forward This What's interesting you pulling up this down for. Better pulled up steve giving us Alternate Ideas that filter looking at you know races between them on sixteenth in a mile and in a decent data set there with five and four starts for us forces and they've got it ranked keep in mind masquerade and helo hot bride fury fourth king. And they've got king fury it's got king fury In the mix too. This is interesting. I'm i thought keep me in mind wasn't going to have enough pace to to run in here Well i've bow make final decisions for those of you that have not downloaded four two win dot com with the number to form number to win it. Download it and to free races a day and You'll play around with it as we've been discussing for the last couple of months and Basically a speed valuation a algorithm. 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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - May 22nd 2020

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - May 22nd 2020

"Welcome to the weekend stakes preview on the horse racing radio network presented by naira vets and Buber Morris now moving up on the outside from fourth to third the second by a head. And now alongside the leader Gouverneur Morris enforceable and Max field both moving behind that out the quarter pole gouverneur Morris has taken the lead from American Butterfly. Here's Max field. Moving up on the outside to challenge Gouverneur Morris off the far turn and Max `field strides forward and takes the lead by a length and a half to likes the final Furlong Gouverneur Morris second enforceable third. The rest are far back. Max Field off. Breathtaking Rod at the top of the stretch kicks clear by six. Max Field to win the Kleber breeders featuring for Jose Ortiz. Now here's Anthony. Stabile and Bobby Newman. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the weekend stakes preview presented by narrow here on the horse racing radio network on the big. Am IT NEEDS TO BE L? In New York Bobby Newman is down in south Florida. Our producer Leila Pena is in our Lexington Kentucky Studios Seven stakes. Coming your way we get the road to the Kentucky Derby back started in the Matt. Win The grade three derby points on the line Churchill downs and all stakes leaked. Pick five over those five a couple of the great race place as well. Bobby Newman a fantastic sleep. I am really looking forward to that late. Pick five and the return. You hear that dulcet tones of our own. Kurt Becker on the call the majority from last year the return in the Matt Win of Max `field it's going to be a great card of Racing Churchill downs tomorrow and it begs. The question is at the road to the Kentucky Derby or now is it the road to the Belmont stakes which is going to be run. Eleven weeks prior to the Kentucky Derby this year on Saturday June twentieth as one of Eddie. Murphy's characters in coming to America in the barbershop scene said Well yes Beaumont. Stakes will be Saturday June twentieth. We'll talk about that in a minute. Everything getting back started as you see retracts opening left and right north and South East and west all points in between Hogan used to say Yea and tomorrow all the action the bulk of the action will be at Churchill. Downs all is down there. We'll see how `field dozen his return is five stakes wonderful card. You can watch it all on America's Day at the races. It's the only place in fact you can watch churchill downs nationally during their spring summer. Meet catch all the action. America's Day at the races kicks off right around one o'clock tomorrow spiteful. Addition of talking horses coming your way as well on Fox. Sports to starting at twelve thirty. I believe Believer Anti Sterling and Jonathan Kinchen on that broadcast so you can catch tomorrow. The coverage starts twelve thirty over on Fox sports too and then all weekend long they bounce back and Forth Fox sports one sports to there's local affiliates as well And the base the place to play all the action of course is over at naira head on over the naira bets him in that to sign up for a narrow bets account last night and he'll be using the Promo Code. Hr and twenty and with Nyerere does deposit match up to two hundred bucks a year. Deposit two hundred bucks once you bet. Four hundred bucks is a two hundred dollar. Wagering credit in your account Head over to an IRA bets dot com for more details. I know there's a lot of lot going on over there. You just head over to the promotional counter I noticed some free piece for these races Of course our friend over a prisoner giving free. Pp's for all of the Churchill. Downs races. Ed Rosa told us last night on the prison dot com calling show that in fact all of the races that will be covered on America's Day at the races going forward will have the free. Pp's posted from prison as well. So good stuff over there and of course this weekend all we can long at Churchill downs last race cashback so once you have your account you download the APP to your phone the last race of the day. You've got twenty dollars to win or more on any horse. In the last race at Churchill downs. This actually works for the next three days Saturday Sunday and of course Memorial Day on Monday. If you play and you'll horse finishes second you get you twenty bucks back. You can get that every day if you play every day and your horse doesn't win any of the three races they're going to give you twenty dollars regardless so head over to our DOT COM. There's a lot going on America's Day at the races. We got you covered here. We'll get into those stakes in just a little bit But Bobby you mentioned it is at the road to the Derby is at the road to the Belmont stakes. For the first time the Belmont stakes will be first will run the Belmont stakes on Saturday. June twenty four weeks from today one would say a per- perfect placement of the Matt Win. When you consider for the first time in a very long time the Belmont stakes will not be run. At the test of the champion distance of a mile and a half of the we wanted a mile and an eighth shoot up to sixteen. Starters can be in gate for the Belmont stakes. I'M A BIG BELIEVER. That will get the sixteen. We may even get an overflow. When you consider that it's a mile and an eighth which is a little more palpable to some trainers this time of year and having not had the preakness and the Kentucky Derby to get these horses ready for the mile and a half so the mile and a half and then of course it's the first leg of the triple crown. It's stolen American classic. And there's a million bucks on the line. There's a lot of factors at play. The also the fact it other than the Matt Win. There's only one other three-year-old big race between now and Belmont stakes time. And that's the Santa Anita Derby and that's only two weeks prior to the Belmont so it really kinda hamstrings. The horses are the connections that were thinking about running in the Santa Anita Derby because that would have to come back two weeks later ship cross country and run against likely fifteen other rivals in the first leg of this year's triple crown so I'm interested to see who from the West Coast. Maybe skips the Santa Anita Derby and go straight to the Belmont stakes. I certainly would think that would see. At least a few from tomorrow's Matt Win in the Belmont stakes in four weeks then The ones that were not going to see in the Matt Win Horses we already know pointing for the Belmont. Tis The law Nidal Charlatan solely balante just to name four of the real big ones. Tis The laws probably pointing toward the Belmont before we ever knew when the Belmont was. Barkley tagged mentioned that you know they were hoping to take the New York path to the first Saturday in September and Kentucky. Derby Day will now the they at least have part of path with the Belmont stakes on June the twentieth and then after the Belmont stakes the question is what happens between the Belmont and the Derby because there are eleven weeks now between the Belmont stakes and the Kentucky Derby so you know you would think that the winner of the Belmont as well as the horses that run behind him or her will run again at least once between the Belmont and the Kentucky Derby could it be at Saratoga when they come out with their schedule and either the Jim Dandy or the travers whatever they decide to put those racists. Maybe they'll just stay in New Jersey and go to the haskell which is scheduled for July eighteenth so four weeks after the Belmont but still seven weeks before the Derby It's very interesting this year. What we've got as far as looking at the triple crown schedule and of course after the triple crown getting to the Breeders Cup in early November keeneland. Tis the Law New York. Brad Barkley Tag. Sakho togas stables. This story sound so so familiar and if it does it was seventeen years ago that those connections teamed up to win the Kentucky Derby and the preakness with the gutsy yelling funny side. One of my favorite horses of all time he could not win the stakes third to empire maker and ten most wanted to see a slop on June seventh. Two Thousand and three. He could not be the first triple. Crown winner in twenty five years. Tis The law went to the Florida Derby and asserted himself in the Florida. Derby certainly made himself one of the top contenders. Bobby mentioned three or four of them. Here here is his law taking that Florida Derby the rest not of consequence with five sixteenths. Doron on the outside. Tis The law bids up boldly now the challenge at t Indian for the top Chevron. A huge number cuts the corner and tries to fight on Gouverneur Morris as loosen charging on the far outside less than a quarter mile to go many Franko sets down his. He's moving away. Chivalry is out running at you. Indian for second GOUVERNEUR. Morris is now four if less than a sixteenth to go in the Florida Derby and it's time to respect law to the law. Is Your Florida Derby winner? He won by three over chivalry. Second Take Indian third then Gouverneur Morris and independence hall to complete the high five in one fifty flat. Pd L. O. Is On the call of that Florida. Derby was all kids the law. He's been the mile in eighth. He has a win at Belmont Park. He took the most prestigious two year old race with all due respect to the Breeders Cup. The we charity the American Farrell. He took the champagne at Belmont Park in just a second start of his career so he has plenty of experience there. It's home pretty much for the tag stable throughout the year. Belmont Park and his the log on to try and defend the home turf and get the job done something his well his stablemate his buddy funny side could not do seventeen years ago. Bobby Newman and that's when the Belmont stakes and I think the most intriguing thing about Tis. The laws that Barkley tag is said that this is a horse who likes time between his races. So th this schedule works out almost perfectly for Tis law because he'll run in the Belmont stakes on June the twentieth. And whether he wins or not he will most likely run about a month later. Either in the Haskell or whatever they have at Saratoga whether it's the Dandy of their travers and they will not mind taking seven weeks off between either of those kind of races and the Kentucky Derby in early September as other horses may be one a little bit more racing to stay fit. Tis The law. It seems like this horse who wants that month and a half between racists to really fire his best shot yes he doesn't you know. Tis The law the local favourite here of course in New York New York Bred Barkley Sack Toga. A fantastic story. Of course there could be two courses. One Newman standing in his law and the entire teams way. And it's the silver-haired Fox Bob Baffert the hall of Famer. He's of course the trainer of the last two triple crown winners American farrow and justify no stranger to success and failure in the Belmont stakes. He's one a few. He's lost a few. He's coming to guns. Blazing couple of undefeated ones. A lot of people were really more wowed by the dollar over Charlatan. They each one of division of the Arkansas Derby. Here's an adult under Joel. Rosario and Dole has put his head in front wells by. You is going to have to battle back button. Doll has taken over a clear lead. He's now two lengths in front at the top of the stretch King Guillermo up outside of wells by you three and a half to Farmington road and finish the and code runner madal still has to get a final furlong. He is a length and a half in front of King. Guillermo finicky fierce runs a big one in third and adult is two lengths in front king gear and finished the fares. It is doll undefeated and the Arkansas Derby winner Dalwin by two and a half king gear. Second Finnick affairs third and Farmington road finish for it. That wasn't a doll. He ran his record to a perfect four for four answered the mile and an eighth test with no problem in his division of the Arkansas Derby. Bobby will talk about him in a minute charlatan. Making just a third of his career was in the first division of the Arkansas Derby. And here's VIC staffer with that call Charlotte and now a quarter mile from Arkansas. Derby glory leads by four lengths basin continues to run in. Second Governor Morris's third then to the outside and Ano- door final furlong left handed whips for Charlotte and he leads. It's a three length advantage over basin who is running his heart out but he is just not good enough and Charlotte ten is going to run them off their feet and win the Arkansas Derby. We will see you. In September. Young Man Charlatan wins by six basin. Second and finishing Governor Morris. They had two big big chances for hall of Famer Bob Baffert Nidal Charlatan. A perfect seven seven combined. Dave both in the mile and an eighth. Everybody's been mile in those three. We just talked about. Bobby Newman. They gotta cut back to the one. Turn now which could play a key role in this year's on steaks it certainly. Could you also going to have a lot of writers who were maybe not used to those big sweeping turns Belmont and the one turn mile and an eighth type races that are going to be converging on Belmont Park on Saturday June twentieth? So there's a lot of play. I think post position just like it does every year for the Kentucky. Derby will mean a lot this year for the Belmont stakes one turn mile and an eighth. It's another thing where I I wouldn't think you'd want to be caught down inside unless you're you know you're a horse like Charlatan who could probably out sprint the field early on. It's really going to be a lot of funny. Throwing horse like solely allante. Who ran a very good second in the Tampa Bay Derby when we last saw him trying to close from way out of it into a pace? That really didn't favor his kinda running style. I think he's going to have something to say. And I would not be surprised. If a couple of horses in tomorrow's Matt Winn stakes jump up with big efforts and they look like they have something to say in the Belmont on June twentieth. It's going be a lot of fun opening day at Belmont Park Wednesday June third. Just about twelve days away. Can't wait for. That should be a good time before we go to break get into the stakes action. Let's see another guy who's looking forward to Belmont opening up. And that's Lewis is. He is the subject of tonight's blood horse news update and look at the top headlines from blood. Oors DOT COM size draft Kentucky Derby appeal suspended fifteen days. The Kentucky Horse Racing Commission has suspended. Jackie Lewis is for fifteen days for as Roger. Last year is Great. One Kentucky Derby by Woodford reserve after the Ryder withdrew his appeal of that suspension. The regulator issued its decision May Twentieth Suspending Sayas from May Twentieth June third. Four his right aboard maximum security in last year's derby size who the country with one hundred and thirty wins. The season currently is writing and Gulfstream Park. He began this mentioned. His scheduled may twentieth. Maximum-security reached a wire. I in the twenty thousand nine Derby but was disqualified for interference. When he came out several paths near the Five Sixteen Paul. In the mile a quarter classic me fourth Churchill downs stewards ruled at maximum. The maximum security veered out. He directly interfered with war of will and chain reaction appearance with long range toddy and Bodey Express. He was placed seventeenth behind long-range taty country house. Who reached a wire? Second was place. I that wraps up addition of blowers news update. Bowlers daily has the largest subscriber base of Emmy Thurber Industry Latronic daily newsletter. Keep up to date on what's going on in our industry all the president of the changes and especially now with racing picking up throughout the country. Download the free blowers daily APP. Wherever email sent to you today get started right now. Go TO DOT COM backslash daily. So Lewis is when an eye on beautiful Belmont Park's opening June third withdraws his appeal takes his days and he'll be ready to roll when big. Sandy opens her doors in twelve days. Bobby and I think that's a good move by Lewis Sayas and his agent care McLaughlin. Mine as well take those days off. Now get your mind right. Get up to New York and boy. His good is just about anyone in the country right now if not better than anyone in the country and I think he's going to continue his winning ways when he gets to that tougher circuit up at Belmont Park. All right let's take our first break when we come back. We'll give into the stakes Jackson. There's an all stakes pick five. Which means is all stakes at Churchill? 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This is the weekend stakes preview presented by Nyerere bets that quarter of a mile to the finish. It is diamond King America on the outside diamond. King narrowly American anthem has all out and second then back side of the moon. Wicked trick is out in the middle of the track as they pass the ball. Diamond King in front American anthem runs in second. It's diamond king with the lead American anthem giving Jason Back Side of the Moon Diamond King from off the layup to win must I made. American anthem was second then back side of the moon and third the one the only the voice of the New York Racing Association John Embryo on the call of the Stymie Diamond King. I'll tell you there's five stakes at Churchill downs tomorrow afternoon. They're all tough. I don't know if there's a tough one the blame. We'll get to that in just a little bit. Welcome back to who we can stakes preview presented by Nyerere bets here on H. R. and I'm looking forward to seeing. Everybody opens June third. I gotta be honest. I'M GONNA play favorites here. I can't wait to see Johnny one of the most selfless nicest helpful. I mean somebody who just wants. What's best for you before anybody else? He's just an amazing person a great race caller and a mentor. And I cannot wait to see John when we opened the doors back up on June. Third haven't able to see him since this whole thing went down and it'll be great to see him. I can tell you that. He's a great guy. He's a fun guy to listen to as well I mean but even before he got the full time job at Nyra as the announcer when he was he's been backing up for seemingly thirty years right now and He's always been pleasure to listen to. It didn't matter whether he it was his job or whether he was backing up. Tom Durkin or even in the Marshall Cassidy days. John Embryo has always been a pleasure. Listen to you know. Exactly what is going on in the race he's got great inflection and he's just he obviously cares about what he's doing he's just a pleasure to listen to work in You know once upon a time we got to see him on TV and it was a pleasure to watch him work as well. Yeah he's the best these. The absolute people say that a lot about other people. He's the he's salt of. The earth is the absolute best. Can't wait to see Ghanaian here. Those calls starting June third. We'll hear travis stone tomorrow at Churchill downs and the action kicks off and race number seven. The Sean One hundred thousand dollars it's a mile and a sixteenth for the phillies and mayors. There's a field of eight now action derosier on the burden at DOT com. Show last night and you can watch all of these. Churchill rates America's Day at the races all weekend long informing that there was some rumblings that the forty five morning line favorite Dunbar. Road may come out of here. You joked on red brand radio yesterday on her biggest fan I loved on borrowed And I gotta be honest with you Dunbar. Road coming out tomorrow would really hurt me. Because she's my lean if Dunbar road runs tomorrow. She's my single in this salty. Pick five secrets. I think there are other ways to go in every other one of these races. I think all of the other favorites vulnerable. She's Hickory to me. She's my pick if she runs if she doesn't think he got gotTA use two or three of these phillies see. I thought it was. I thought it was a to philly racer to Philly and Mayor Race between Dunbar road and number eight. She's a Julie who's the second choice on the morning line thing. That intrigues me about. She's a Julia even though when she faced on borrowed in the Spinster and was soundly defeated by her. I think she's a Julie may end up being the lone speed in the race tomorrow if she can clear number three. Aw Emma who has shown speed at times? I think she's a Julie will be the one in front when they make the swing for home. It's only a mile and a sixteenth. She hasn't run since October. But dunbar road her biggest Biggest hurdle hasn't run since last year. Either she's a Julie has been working a lot. She has eleven works off the layoff Mostly down in New Orleans and a few over a keeneland like I said. I think she's going to be the one in front Dunbar. Roads going to have to pass now dump by road. There's no doubt about it in my mind that if they're all fitting running their best race she's the one to beat but just because of this I picked. She's Juliane top. I would use both of them if I'm playing the pick five. Yeah if Dumbo road stays in. She's my single. If she doesn't I'm going to be using she's Julie I'm going to be using vaulted takes the blinkers off at show all Rosario second time for Brad Cox off in November layoff. She ran into day at Oakland. We were covering the show the race. On Redmond Radio Speed was king at Oaklawn that day on closing weekend. Vault got blamed got in front and kept on going It was a speedy Speed really held. I like her a little bit. Those would be the two. I would use Maybe on a ticket I would. I would use them but done by roads to be my single if she runs if not. It's Volvo and she's a jewelry for me Ray. Seven goes as the Sean Race Number Eight. The return of Breeders Cup Juvenile Filly turf winner. Sharing is in this tappan named of course after the Great Race Mare of the mid twenty teens flatten turns Churchill. Downs feel the fifteen entered one eighty evil war. We'll see if the todd pletcher runner gets in. Tell you what you gotTa Breeders Cup winner coming back making her first start of the year. So you looking at about six and a half months. Since we've last seen sharing she's found some place to launch her sophomore campaign. I agree and I'm not even sure she'll be favored. Tomorrow number. Fourteen alms. I think is the best filly in the race. She's undefeated four for four but boy she is number fourteen and that is not a long run to the turn going one mile on turf at. Churchill at so take a shot against her. I'm going to take a little shot against sharing our use them both. If I'm playing pick fours and fives think a long shot number. Six in good spirits has a chance to go wire-to-wire but I another long-shot number five hendy woods for mark. Cassie and Declan Carol. She is to for two in her brief career. Both at a mile down at the fairgrounds. She comes from a little bit off the pace. I think there's enough speed in here to set it up for looks like she's going to. She can continue to improve and if she improves even a little bit. I think she can give the big names of sharing an alms. All they can handle from a much more favourable. Post position you know. It's it's funny. I you look at this. Raising see the accomplished phillies right alms. A three time stakes winner. She's undefeated of course. We have the Breeders Cup winner in sharing outburst three in a perfect two for two in North America for nearly she wanted to grade. Three Florida oaks last time out walking. Marrakesh just got beat to outbursts. She just got beat to abscond. Who's also in here? They ran one two in the grade. One the town up at Woodbine last year is two year old. But the truth of the matter is you can make a gigs. I was able to make a case in here for everyone. Except it's easier for me to say except I thought the one was tough to make the eight the eleven and thirteen if any of the other eleven including a eve of war won this race. Got IN I. It would not surprise me at all. I'M GONNA use all of there's a ticket where I'M GONNA use all of those so I have a little bit of expensive ticket. There's a horse in the race though. I think you need to use. If you're using longshots your horse. Definitely I worry about her getting cooked on a speed tool the other words. I think you have to use the number ten. Pass the plate for Paul McGee and of course your selection The horse you're going to use a little bit the five I'm sorry you you mentioned the five Hendy Woods. I think us in good spirits to Hendy Woods. Markazi will be more appropriate than him. Winning the tap in the newest hall of Famer Markazi Would Be. It would be very appropriate to win. One after is Great Race Mare named after various but pass the plate started a career and a sprint against a nice looking shook filial a gay and crafty woods. Then one two in a row WANNA keelan want to Churchill downs. Those are the only two times Julian Peruse Readiness Philly. His daughter are temple city. Her next three races one was on the dirt. I guess when you're that talented on the turf you almost half the try to dirt. She didn't run poorly. She didn't want as well she'd rolling turf next to start quite. Frankly the start in the in the in the lottery memorial. I think Corey lowery pulled the trigger a little too soon in the Bourbon at oaks. When she tried the all weather she came running late now. Leper Ruins phillies like. She's a little tough to ride. She's reunited with Peru and Julian Peru is famous for being able to get along with these sources of the first one that comes to mind and Sadler's joy always time that move which adler joy perfectly Maybe another sadler joy here past the plate. I'll tell you what twenty one morning line. I don't know if she'll be that price she's one. That'll be on all of my tickets. However I play the race in and to be honest with you. If she's hanging on the Board at eighteen or twenty one. I'm going to have to make a win better hard because I've always been a fan of her. There's some pace in here. Some of the other phillies didn't draw that well namely alms. I'M GONNA use a bunch. Sharon can obviously win. I'm GONNA take a little swing and trying to get past a plate home as at a huge price in recent the tappan race nine the blame flat mile out of the shoot another huge field here fourteen another race bobby. I think half the field can win this race. It's a very tough race. A very talented feel a lot of speed in this race. I'm having a hard time figuring out. Who's actually going to be favored in this spot? I'm leaning toward number three global campaign who I always think that Stan huffing is crew. Thought was going to be a really nice one. He debuted very impressively at Gulfstream last year. Only two times as horses lost the horses. Who finished in front of them. Were Code Honor Tax and Tacitus and if any of those three were in this race they'd probably be favored so global campaign making a second. Start off a layoff. I think we'll sit a good trip just in behind the speed going. This one turn Mile Iran very well last time out in a basically a stakes caliber allowance race at Gulfstream Park. But I'm not worried about him. Moving technically up in class other horses. That are scaring here. The seven silver dust is very accomplished. Eh Against Good Competition Owen. Dale making his first start of the year extraordinary. Jerry scratched out of a race yesterday to run tomorrow instead. American anthem at a price has shot. Mister money did not one well on the wet track at oaklawn against toms data last time out but his previous tries would all make him very very tough uneven number. Fourteen diamond king who Is One of the speed horses in here. If he doesn't get cooked and dual he could be as I think all of them would be used on my ticket but my top choices global campaign. Yeah you know if you put a gun to my head and said make a top pick it would be global campaign. There's another part of this the one and the only things you didn't mention that and they're all fantastic points the sources three for three around one turn and with his style where he likes to sit off the pace. Make the one run. These one turn mile races are right up his alley right. He's never been a mile in fact but he's won. Both of his starts at seven furlongs. He won the on eighth. Peter Pan at Belmont again. That's one turn. We'll see that in four weeks for the Belmont stakes. He happened to beat last year's Beaumont. When a Sir Winston in that race so you know. They tried him in the Jim. Dandy belong break to the allowance race at Gulfstream where he ran well he picks up Jose Ortiz. Yeah I mean he's the goods I like. I WANNA use a few of them in here. I have another horse at a huge price and I'm definitely using. It's the to Bourbon resolution. Another horse his one turn race is pretty good. No one. The Ben Ali around two turns but he won the race at Gulfstream in February of last year twenty nineteen off of the June layoff from the prior year and then he ran this year in the Sir Shackleton and quite frankly they just got away from him. It was his first start since last July. So it was I start eight months. He came running late. He's GonNa get to Churchill downs where he's at the board a couple of times he's like. I said one for one of the one turn mile. There's enough pace in here. I don't think he'll be that far off of it in fact I don't know if he'll be a too far away from global campaign he'll a huge number two so I'm GonNa try and get him home especially you know if if if Dunbar road doesn't scratch and she runs and she wins. It's going to get off to a talking start so you may want to try and get one or two of these bombs in there. I think he'd be the one in here. You mentioned silver dusty. Moving knowing del ever fast ran really well. Last time. Short structure the mile. He showed a lot more speed than ever had down at Oakland Park. First Time for Jackson who gave him a brilliant ride to get second in the preakness back aboard for the first time. I don't know if I want to let him beat thirty two one I owe nothing too long range taty because of a John Court claiming foul. I would have got nothing in the Kentucky Derby last year. So Yeah this is a wide open race. Mr Money's a wind machine was a the sheen for six months. Last year he's three for four Churchill. Lot of ways to go a wide open blame race number nine tomorrow at Churchill downs right. We're a little more than halfway home. We come back time to Talk Matt Wind Kentucky Derby Points on the line. We'll wrap the card and the coverage of Churchill downs with the war chant as well. You're listening to the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets here on. Hr N that and watch the races worldwide from the palm of your hand with Nyra bets. Sign up for NYRA bets. 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They'll deposit match up to two hundred dollars of your initial deposit match dot com for more details Bobby Newman Tulloch folks about the point system was originally was not supposed to be that many points but Churchill downs and the Kentucky Derby decided to bump the Matt Win and there are some real derby points on the line tomorrow afternoon race ten while the win obviously was never supposed to be before the Kentucky Derby but now since it is they have put eighty five points on the line as far as the road to the Kentucky Derby the winner of the Madelyn will receive fifty. The runner-up gets twenty third place. Ten fourth place five in past years fifty points has been enough to guarantee a spot in the twenty horse field in the Kentucky Derby now there are a lot more quote unquote prep races. They're not really preparations they stand alone. These races But there are a lot more races leading up to the Kentucky Derby this year that are going to be worth points so including the. I'm sorry to interrupt you but including the Belmont stakes right and the Belmont stakes. You get one hundred and fifty points for winning and I believe you get sixty for being the runner up which in the winter obviously would get him but most years that guarantees that the runner up in the Belmont stakes would be would be guaranteed a spot in the Kentucky Derby But there are a lot more. I mean now the Santa Anita Derby is is hasn't been running. That's still going to be one hundred to the winner. The Los Alameda Sturdy which was never getting points is worth twenty two the winner the Haskell which is usually after the Derby one hundred to the winner the Pegasus twenty two the winner Indiana Derby twenty two the winter the bluegrass which they're negotiating in Kentucky now to have a keeneland meet in the first half of July just before Saratoga opens the BLUEGRASS will be worth one hundred two the winter and then of course the Ellis Park Derby and the shared belief fifty to the winner each. We don't know those dates yet. So it's a really a lot of excitement but what we do know about the Matt. Winn stakes is whether they planned it this way or not. It is perfectly timed per for the Belmont stakes. Four weeks after that win is the first leg of this year's triple crown the Belmont stakes and then he still have eleven more weeks to decide what you WANNA do. Tell the Kentucky Derby so this Matt Win maybe more than any other year is a very very important three year race. And you you could add. You'd have to assume at Saratoga. That's GonNa get points as well somewhere about a month before the Kentucky Derby lots of points available so this becomes that much more important especially for a horse like Max Shield. Who's just getting going now? And I think a lot of people would agree this race in all likelihood goes through. Maxwell he has to negotiate the layoff which is a lengthy one. He didn't run since October of last year. So you're looking at well over seven months for this son of street sense. Of course the Kentucky Derby back in two thousand and seven Brennan Wall strains for Godolphin will hear from Godolphin president of US racing operations Jimmy Bell tomorrow morning on a loaded equine form presented by foreign paint doc on trainer Grand Motion Talks About. Breeder's cup juvenile fillies turf when Sharing Return Ruidoso downs. Gm Jeff true previews their upcoming meet and offering Terry Finley. The founder of West Point orbits racing and reflects on Memorial Day. That's all tomorrow morning on the coin form presented foreign paint dot com You'd have to think MACs field would be the one that would wanna get going the most and if he shows up with that rate especially from last year in the British maturity He. He's GonNa be right there at the end of this Matt Win Tomorrow and it certainly looks like he's been working well for his return to the racist. China Brendon Walsh. Long Series Of works both down in Florida and in Kentucky and they've gotten pretty fast since his arrival in Kentucky. Those works over Keelan interesting. I think this race comes down to three horses and all three of them only have two lifetime starts in their careers. Number One. Mystic Guide number two pneumatic and the favorite number. Ten Max field. My top choices actually. Going to be number two pneumatic. Who won I? What I think is the most impressive maiden race of the meet at Oaklawn Park back on February fifteenth. The runner up third place. Finisher I think the fourth place finisher all came back and won impressively in the starts and pneumatic came back on April eleventh with a very impressive win going around two turns and facing winners for the first time I think he's just bred to keep getting better and better as the distances stretch out being by on. Komo out of a tap at mayor and I think pneumatic can cause I wouldn't say the upset but the anytime you're going to beat a favorite light Max `field it's A. It's a little bit of an upset. So I think pneumatic is my top choice. I love the way number. One mystic guide ran last time out breaking his maiden at the fairgrounds. Obviously these are much deeper waters in the Matt Win. But he's got a great post position and that last race that maiden races about as good as any of these other horses have run speed figure wise and there's no reason he can improve his fifteen to one on the morning line and then Max field like you said. He was so impressive. Coming from far off the pace in the breeders futurity last year and just blowing the doors off that field if he runs that kind of race off the layoff. He's obviously the one to beat but there is that small question mark of whether or not he'll run that race tomorrow so I'm just using him as one of my three. I'm using numbers. One two and ten but number two pneumatic my top selection. You may be forced to live in the pick for the pick. Five to root for quarter. Who is here right? The other Chad Brown. The other. Bob The other. Godolphin in here Mr Guy who's GonNa be fifteen ten fifteen points higher than Max field will be on. The board. Yeah pneumatic is probably pneumatics. The question mark in here because of pneumatic keep I say the question what. He's the wildcard. Rather because if he keeps improving boy Max fields going to have to come with a big shot off of the layoff to keep up with this improving son of uncle mo who as good as he wasn't his maiden win he came back and look even better once they stretched out and he's finished the job both times very nice. Final quarter for miles. You know. It's very rare. You see a horse. Go One on nine and four for furs maiden win making up ground right not. He didn't even do it on the front end so you have to figure. At the end of that race he was he was coming home nicely and then stretch out and go the go that one turn that to turn short stretch mind. That's warm impressive to. He didn't have the entire length of the stretch in Oakland to win. Last time he didn't need it he was You know when when they got the eighth pole which is which was really the sixteenth. Paul he was well on his way. It taken flight at that point so this big stretcher Churchill. Yeah I think. The wildcard is pneumatic. He could very well be the goods. And I think you'd be remiss to leave off of of any of your tickets. You have the US Max feel. I don't know what you do with the other horses who we've seen a lot of at this point. I think we've seen we've seen attachment rate enough. I don't know how how much trouble he got into last time it says bumped. I. I don't know if the source really wants to go to turns the mile and a sixteenth. He may be better at the middle distances. What do you do with major fed who you know? He ran well in his division of the risen star behind modernist he was wide around there and then Louisiana Derby Day. It was tough to make up ground on that track and he did it. He didn't break. Well you know I just don't know if the Mile Sixteen is long enough for him. I know he broke his maiden going amount on the sixteenth. But I think maybe against a little bit better Class A horse. He might need a little bit more distant. He's the kind of horseshoe look at. I do anyway for the Belmont stakes for the Kentucky Derby where that Mile and an eighth at Belmont with the five furlong straight run to the first turn might be more than the two turns. Churchill especially from that draw but there are a lot of dangers in here You like three of them. I can make a case for five of them. I'm trying to find a long shot to give you in these numbers as well because a lot of this chalk looks tough but know. Churchill downs has been known to spring up senator to in its storied history necker island speaking of Churchill. Downs is over four in his career. When he doesn't want to Churchill downs at Churchill? Now he's two for two. We broke his maiden and then he won in the slop. He's another one. I don't know how far he wants to go. I didn't love the ride last time. I wanted them to be more forwardly placed from the rail. It didn't happen He gets Tyler Gaffney Leone back aboard gasoline wrote on one time we had no real chance in the swell. He's a son hard spun so you would think the mound sixteenth. We'll be right in his wheelhouse. He's going to be a big number. I think he'll get ignored. He's the kind of wish you WanNa get into your number. I think but I think new medical Max field is likely going to win this race but maybe you get necker island gimmicks to juice things up race number ten. The Great Three Matt Win Fifty Derby points to the winner race number. Eleven wraps the car. They'll pick four pick five all stakes at Churchill. The war chant flat mile on the turf for the three year olds another full field of fourteen. There's a and here as well. We don't have the star. Power of sharing in an alms in here. But like we do in the tap in. But I gotTa tell you about. This is another wide open one. You can make a case for seven or eight of these. And that's what scares me about. This race is then. I think it's so wide open either. Have to do a major spread and really pair it down in your other legs of the pick four. Pick five or you just got to take a shot or two in this race. And that's what I'm GONNA do. Even though I think more than half the field can win. I'M GONNA only use two horses in this race. Number One south bend whose twelve to one on the morning line and number nine smooth like straight south bend is going to be my top choice. And I'm kind of a sucker for this source. He hasn't won in quite a while not since October of last year and he's never won on turf but his turf starts have been pretty good and he's drawn well down along the inside reunited with Julian Peru. Who's been aboard for all three of his starts? I think he had much chance last time out in English Channel. When he was caught wide every step of the way he should be able at least save ground around the first. Turn tomorrow in the war chant. There is some speed in the field and one of the speed horses number nine smooth like straight. He was actually favored his last two starts out at Santa Anita and ran good races. Although not winning races picks up the services of John Velazquez for the first time and I think that may help him. A lot is shipping out to Churchill downs in first time actually outside of southern California so one in nine for me with south. Bend my chops choice. We're running out of time. I think any combination of one two four five six nine twelve thirteen to win this race. I had a tough time with this race when I do I Trust Joel. Rosario pixellated getting a rider change. Joel Rosario I think there's some space some some pacing here. I hope he settles. I hope he makes one run. I think he's like the Churchill downs course for a little bit of the longest stretch of some of these other places. I know fairgrounds. He just missed last time I also think that a quicker pace is going to help the sources 'cause I'M GONNA TRY PIXEL BUT AGAIN. I think of eight of them couldn't win it race. Number eleven goes as the war chant. One more break when we come back. We'll have a few minutes to talk about a couple of graded stakes race place. The Daytona and the trolley winning Ham. You're listening to the weekend stakes preview presented by naira bets here on the Horse Racing Radio Network that and watch the races worldwide from palm of your hand with Nyerere Bets. Sign UP FOR NARROW BETS. Today and take advantage of premier perks with the best live racing misery plays in hd exclusive promotions and earn points on every bet sign up for today with the Promo Code H rn twenty under the positive match up to two hundred dollars again. That's H. R. N. twenty with Nyerere. Bet You can bet any track anywhere at any time head over to an IRA best. Dot Com aims. The Spring and summer meet is live at Gulfstream. 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Although spectator free churchouse offers great wagering opportunities with big fields and horses coming from all over the country visit Churchill Bounds Dot Com. You'll guys they call me Jersey Joe but it's only job. Bravo me whatever you like. Just so happy that you're listening to horse racing radio network this weekend. Stakes preview presented by NIAGARA ABETS CHURCH BRAHM. United cut loose on the outside has chosen vessel is up to try and get by. Brown storm on the inside of their multiplier from the back of the field. Cleopatra Strike at Oscar Dominguez United Storms when he has company late in the form of Cleopatra. Strike will be to win the San Marcos. I'm Anne Frank Monroe Monty on the call of the San Marcos United Man. He gave bricks and mortar. All you could handle in the Breeders Cup turf last year. He'll be the favorite in Charles Winningham tomorrow at the Great Race Place. Welcome back to the weekend. Stakes preview presented by naira bats race number five before they run the Charles Wittingham Daytona grade. Three five and a half furlongs on the turf back in your old stomping grounds bobby late. Pick five kicks off in the Daytona. So there's two stakes in late. Pick five nine race car to the Great Race Place Tomorrow. Post time twelve thirty Pacific three thirty eastern time field of seven in the Daytona where land? I think it's a two horse race between the five citron and the six wild man Jack they both have similar speedy running styles. Just because of the odds I think number five citron will be my top choice. I also wild man. Jack is coming off two races out and Dubai usually like to give them a race back in the country before they fired their best shot so sister on my top choice but I would use. Both of them in the horizontal. Wagers likes to strong as well I I I really wonder who's the aggressor right. And if I had a bet my money I would think that victory. Spinosa is going to be the aggressive with soprano who has shown I mean. There's last two starts his versatility. He won the grade one big crosby when they were able to steal on the front end. You don't see a lot of forty five half's in grade one Santa Anita on the dirt on dirt and he was able to go get the wire that day when he was left alone on the front end and then last time out in the San Simeon at Santa Anita in March. So you saw big layoff. It didn't matter. He was able to sit just off of a little bit of a more contested face and get there just in the nicotine time. I think his form as well. You see that record sanity the turf. It's it's a little dirtied up by those downhill races. He's a little bit better in these five and a half long races. I like CISTERNA lot tomorrow. Race number five goes as the great three Daytona race. Eight to Charles winning hand the ball. The Eagle has this one named from a mile and a quarter on the turf. That'll start right on the turn. And then they'll make their way around to stretch a couple of times another field of seven and united we heard him loving and Paddle Rightful Hall of Famer Richard Mandella. He took the San Marcos back in February. So he's going to be dealing with just about three and a half close to four month. Layoff six to five on morning. Line what are we thinking about him? Well I think he's going to be a shorter price than that and I had a hard time finding anyone to beat them. The only thing against united is the fact. There's not a lot of speed in the race. And he comes from a little bit off of it but the speed of number three bold endeavor doesn't look like it's quite good enough to beat a horse like united and that's why pay Flavian Pratt to ride united. He's ridden this horse and slow paced races in the past. He'll just have to lay a little closer. The source fires a good shot almost every time he goes to the races six to five morning line. I think we're GONNA see three to five and I can't get past him. I hope I'm hoping there's a little pace in here. I'll give you my selection in just a minute because it's time now for the naira bets. Best Bet if it is the NAIRA BEDS. Best Bet bobby seven to choose from where the land for the naira bets best. Bet I'm gonNA take one of the toughest racist a handicap than ninth at Churchill downs and it is the blame and I think that the standoff trainee global campaign is going to get a good trip in behind the early speed. I Trust Stan. Huff and everything that he does with horses like this global campaign picking up the services of Jose Ortiz. Second start off a layoff and we'll look for him to capitalize on a nine to two morning line from just off the pace in the blame. Tomorrow we've talked about trust earlier in the show right. I say when I have a wide open race I trust and Joel Rosario. That's why I took picks late in the war chant. He's not an IRA best best. Bet It's the other Ortiz Brother router. Tease Junior who has stayed in Florida. I'm sure he'll be New York sooner rather than later takes to flight out. West for in Chad. We Trust Chad Brown rock emperor place. This is a horse. I've been a fan since day. One with a better attribute won the Belmont Derby he had no chance in his trip and those Saratoga Derby invitational. He had less of a chance last time in the moonies when the turf course was playing rock solid for speed on now he gets a mile and a quarter he gets the services of maybe the most accomplished jockeying. Orlando tease junior and hoping to get a little bit more in there appears to be on paper and maybe synthesis can help me with that rock emperor the number seven in race number eight. The Charles Wittingham rock camera mine. Naira Bets Best Bet. I don't think I've been more excited for a weekend of racing than I am for this weekend of racing. We look ahead Valmont. Opens in twelve days. The Belmont stakes will be run for the one hundred and fifty second time under a little bit of a different circumstance on June twentieth. Lots to look forward to have a great Memorial Day weekend everyone. Let's remember why we have Memorial Day? Bobby great job as always. We'll do it again next week. I appreciate a pal great weekend. All right everybody have eighth. Try and celebrate the holiday weekend as best you can start a summer. Hopefully lots of good things to come. Certainly on the racing horizon all right. That wraps it up for Bobby and on the big anthrax. Hope you have lucky night when all your photo finishes have a healthy and Safe Memorial Day Weekend Baltimore for the Equine Forum. You've been listening to the weekend. Stakes preview presented by Nyerere becks.

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Part1:Jon Green

"Undermine my confidence in those two So i went. You know an added in a couple of others you know as bs and cs just you know but domain expertise and that's a tough thing to do to go run down a horse in space like that not easy and absolutely gets there under ardo nice opportunity for a as well to to get on a horse for chad just thumbing through here too. I'm mentioned sayas. I should also note the maiden winner that looks like there's plenty of upside that untreated the team valor. We talked about a little bit. Yeah easy easy winner. Six the five and one off by widening land. Eight and three quarters chart says yeah. That was one of louis. Sayas other other other wins along with michelle lean and then went from within and and it was sayas who got nipped by guy ardo in that in that florida oaks. I every where we looked jumping around a little bit. But that's part of the weekend recapping rich me by the way. Top of our two will go through everything with rich from his perspective The the california action was really fun and it was kinda cool that most of the other venues had had reached the conclusion and then gave you the opportunity when when things are flying when there's racing going on at across the country like that and you're trying to follow things at three venues it gets a little hairy you know it's one of the reasons you play. You know the big multis because you can put the ticket in. At least you've got you know you got your your feet in the water no matter what at least you know. Ideally ideally you. See it through but if you get knocked out you know. Then you've got to kind of reboot a little bit but that's one of the benefits but when you're going from you know from screen to screen up and you know you got four once and so you can quickly flip around but it it. It's hard. Let's let's admit Not not easy to keep track so that i thought it was kind of fun that things had pretty much you know the decks it cleared out For the saint carlos the kill row the big cap and that nightcap. You know it was nice. Just that one screen up and you know and have a nice pace. The late afternoon portion of of these cards and the racing was the racing was really engaging after after the the san felipe. a and things that started with the phil d'amato in that going global The irish Important that one. The the china doll and there were a couple of other a couple of other performances leading up to the the san felipe. Pay But you know. The the san felipe bay played out. You know kind of the expected then to get to the the stakes portion and there was a very good performance by the whisper. Not the allowance and that horse did look like you know a uneven money type and put in a good effort that there's some upside when we reach Maybe now that. I've got another opening. Maybe we'll get bought this today but we'll have to ask about whisper not because that that horse looks like there's there's real upside to him But then it brickyard ride for those that read the way my analysis of it brickyard ride looked to me like loan speed and was in position to you. Know to lead him on a merry chase and that couldn't a played out any better. And i gotta tell you the bedding was bizarre. I how does how does brickyard ride five to one and the horse that you know that most had most recently handled the the weird part about this coming out of that cal cup sprint him. In the tiger slug slow. Go to sue closely. Slow go goes off at five to two he. He had just beaten by three links. I don't i didn't. I was delighted to what to build things on brickyard ride. And then for santino. Just the know. He took control and to quote shape. Ribbon improved his position. I was that what race was over in in the i. I don't know seventy five yards. I said this is over. Just was obvious so i was. I was thrilled. Good for the cowboys. What an eyesore this is greg. Lewis and You know now over three hundred thousand seven for thirteen really nice. So that kind of You know made the the afternoon from there. It unfolded dan blacker with hit the road. Who i j when some of you may have seen. I put up a tweet on saturday night. It occurred to me. The jape ribbon has told you. I mean life is good. Okay baffert three year old in telugu kind of telegraphing and the ownership and there was a lot to recommend but jay made it very clear early on. This was a horse that that was going to be central to the three year old storylines this year the other two winners though on the great ones j told you about the road last year well in advance that he had all the tools and was going to be a a an important mile type competitor. And he's on a roll. Obviously dan blacker first grade one. There was that adorable video of christina oliveras the blacker routing him home around and then there was idle and jacob. You know. There's another one i mean. Jay has talked about idle for months. And you know is it. Is it big cap quality level of old. No but it you know it it. It's what we have these days. And that's a horse that's still that's still on the improve and still developing max 'field max field ran okay The fact max. Field and independence hall independence hall in particular who ended up fourth here beaten two lengths and change. I thought that that independence hall particularly was a little compromised by his position he was he had to basically not check but pratt had to keep him and he was pretty much bottled up for over a mile easily over mile. And a. it's little tough. Sometimes when when you gotta worse on hold on hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on alden horses. He knows where he is on the racetrack. The don't don't think that you know he doesn't know when they turned for home when they go into that. Turn that you know this is. This is usually the where they ask me but instead he's he's on hold on hold on. Hold these on. Hold a little tough. And max field drew. They they were they had they had in a position that could have taken advantage. And you know it seemed that. I probably should watch it again. I watched it a second time. But i haven't watched it just only watched it live once and then the replay wants. This is probably should watch it. I because independence hall was my i. I was focused on independence hall. And that was who i keyed off of. And and actually the took a swing at the at the rainbow payout. And i only went kind of little little miscue here. My as were independence. All and max field and rather to horses were idle in express train. But i didn't back them up for another eighteen dollars and eighty cents. Yeah but i'd already spent. I actually hit spent spent the more than i like to actually on one of these. You know on these jackpot payouts but anyway that's that's that's just me idle and rosario it just felt like having the outside flow was the preferable voyage and i express train to and those good it was a good race and then the nightcap That i i. I was shocked that the funded went off at that price over to one. I wrote then again the way i wrote it up that that's one of those scenarios that i've talked about a lot. That's a horse. That debuted at two then was gone. Has had plenty of time to develop was actually even gelded on top of that he's dialed in. And the you know. The p graham watson whiteman three headed ownership monster and i read through the clocking report and it was obvious that there was a ton of speed in this race and funded based on that debut back at del mar last summer looked like a worse. That was gonna come from off the pace you had. Rosario what was there not to like. And you knew you know with the other baffert that was you know had a bit of a buzz. The run happy Cold that following see and samantha. Segel's horse well. The the patron doro who had nice morning notes and there was mr impossible who i thought was the worst beat vantage point. The why god. I or you know there was just there. There was too many horses with sharp gate works. You knew there was going to be a nice pace on and so the funded ended up being a really nice way to end the weekend. Frankly so far i just. It was really a satisfying afternoon. If you like to play and he likes of participant you are around the game and was certainly the the personal stories as always They they they resonate so we got tons more to do. Let's in fact case. Let's stay here. Let's get john green in and we'll start. We'll start some recapping and really the win between cassie family and cassie team. Whether it's you know mark The mark talked about sending source up to To the you know the cassie training center mitch downs. Who runs the show. There does a great job. mark also crediting Is down at Palmettos for for getting the horse going and we'll talk about the family side of of father and son green because i mean the green group. Of course we've talked to land. Fox's john You know what the green group does for horse. Owners and industry stakeholders in terms of their accounting and management advice but It it's more fun to to Len john About successful horses on the racetrack and helium. Absolutely makes the most of his three year old debut. It was a turf debut of course as well wins the tampa bay derby john green joins us john. Congratulations to you and landon and everybody thanks so much. It certainly was like you said before somebody was phenomenal weekend of racing and Obviously you know winning race like the tampa bay. Derby is just the cherry on top. But if you're in the business and you didn't enjoy this weekend bracing. You may want to look for new vocation because to me. It was just top the bottom. It was phenomenal. It was just absolutely phenomenal And also thanking for mentioned and You know the family affair You know with with with me. And and dad and mom and and my mom is very quick to remind everybody that that she owns fifty one percent of all the green family asset. So i leave out of this conversation. I would that i love that So know because it so often. It's it's you know you. And lander are referenced most readily but All right mrs This green is well. What's your mother's name. I don't even. I not even aware lois lowest green. Actually my mom. My mom actually managed the racing operation. you know when we started. She was actually the general manager in the eighties through the nineties And then it wasn't until i got out of college You know where. I started taking over some of the management of it but but mom really you know when we were in the top three win in wins in the country. Back in eighty five eighty six eighty seven. That was all my mom that was that was all under my mom's Guidance and leadership so You know we just taken that operation a little bit different direction but I have a lot of A lot of you know very high mark to try to shoot for every year Based on her past the success. I love it. Well the success portion. i mean. we'll we'll we'll talk more a about helium Because there's so many different there's so many different combinations that Dj is involved in and so many different ways to promote the to promote the you know the industry including things like the empire racing club which you and your father and and the aaron your to have been and mark have been so great to help them get off the ground With proven strategies talk about helium and this is one of these horses that has been affected by the way in which in the winter set in and had plans in a kind of interrupted and moved around and there was already plenty of questions to answer. You know making a first start at three going a mile and a sixteenth Never been on dirt. I mean there was. There was already plenty of plenty of sarah's going into this talk a little bit about You know from two year old two three year old and taking a swing in this spot. Thanks studio this is really as much as we run. This like a business and we've really tried that you mentioned my dad's a cpa. And i'm on the financial planner by trade and and we really tried to take the analytics Involve the analytics and decision making and stuff like that and unfortunately sometimes You know man. Plans and god laughs and And and helium was up in canada. And you want his first two races rather easily on the on the cepeda there and we were all sets of running in in the gray Steak and you know he was. He was the favourite and that race. And if he won that we would have been you know can Sovereign two year old year And then it snowed a weird snowstorm in november and cancelled the race and then because of kobe protocols they canceled the last two weeks of racing up at woodbine. so we were kind of Lost a little bit. We regrouped ship them down to fairgrounds browns and we were going to run them in the lacob and About a week or so before the race he just wrenched his ankle After a workout and it was nothing serious but it was enough to to make a take a step back Mark kathy to was credit said. Let's bring the home. He brought him to his His home facility and watch them train. And and you know x ray and everything was fine after about two weeks but this time of year It's so critical. I mean you know. Two three weeks of training is is like gold in your pocket. You know And i think a lot of the people around the country especially at oaklawn new york finding that out where you know. You missed training Dates and really behind the eight ball so we had to pivot not once not twice but three times with this worse and it just testament not only mark cats. He's training ability but also this colts ability. I mean he. He not only accomplished all of those goals. You said first time on the dirt first time going to turns You know integrate to going from just lifted steak. That's a lot a lot for worse overcome and then on top of it to be you know four or five. Six wide The entire race and still have something left at the end that that's when that's when we sat down and said you know what in our thirty plus years of being in the business and marks forty plus years of being the business. It was really astonishing. Just how much talent is called has been able to overcome those obstacles now and a portion. And then there's you know being out there as you know midstretch and looking like a winner except for the oncoming and potential of hidden stash at certainly certainly at the sixteenth pole. You have to think will the source is. We're going to be second and the source is going to go right on. By and jose farrar. I fifty six years old. Hasn't been either hadn't won a great at stake in ten years for our held him together made sure that he he was aware and more or less actually surged away. That's to me. That was the most impressive part of the whole performance. No no question and you know. I'm laughing when you mentioned jose rare because You know. Jose won his first race with us back in the late eighties. I mean that's how far back on relationship with hosego's claimer and and and you know who they've won a lot of races for us at mahmut back in the day and When we were looking for riders at the beginning of the year. Because we've we've run some sources at tampa this year and when we're looking for a writer In the beginning of the year you know it was going down the standings with my parents. And i said oh rare and we automatically assumed it was jose son because they've oldest. We are so but for loan. The oldies in excellent shape He really you know good. A great job of in the beginning part of the rates of of allowing helium to find a strip in the racetrack built comfortable with so he kind of went from the three of the four of the five have You know on the backstretch just to find proper footing for Because again but you said the never run in the dirt before he trained on the dark but he's never got dirt and his face and that's an experience also for a young worse that That that's a little alarming. I know you know that they mentioned with life is good about how he was looking at the the infield tote board when he when he won because you know that was a new experience and and we can. We can argue yourself. Whether that's really the reason why or not but but be that as it may young horses especially really county young horses sometimes their attention you know wings. And they're looking at other stuff or they get focused on things like getting dirt in their face and they don't know how to handle it so the fact that jose was smart enough to be able to find a strip for this horse. Helium run down and feel comfortable with and then getting front and not relax on. Could the horse was like okay. I'm done past everybody You know that was fun. And and jose knew he had a little bit left extra because hidden stash was right on our tail. I mean he was right there And he didn't sashes a nice source. I mean we're looking at and the people are looking at tampa bay derby and saying well. What did you beat. There's going to be a couple of horses coming out of that race That'll that'll show up in in the derby. I'm very confident of that and You know. I think that helium show. You did what he was supposed to think beyond what he was supposed to do he he. You know if he ran second in that race like you said we would have been very happy and said we got something to build on iran. Second and you know. Let's look to see what our next spot is But he had something left and he was kind of toying with with with with with the group adult. There is still powers away and You know wins and sets off a an interesting an interesting postscript because yesterday upon further review and marty mcgee you know talking to to mark and now the aftermath includes potential for him to essentially not run until the derby and that the immediately raised some eyebrows. But i did see that mark actually had a little bit of a modifier as well saying that. There's potential for that but you know we'll evaluate as we go and you know. This is a gambit that's been tried. The last couple of years off of tampa bay derby wins including By top pletcher and it it really has not amounted to much me. Talk about what will go into this decision. Yeah and and you're absolutely right It would be very unorthodox decision to make And i guess we have to kind of look at it again from a business standpoint and say how do we get this particular horse helium. How do we get him to improve. Twenty percents because in reality if you look at regardless of what metric you look at whether it's the sheet numbers thorough grab You know the buyer numbers or even the eyeball test. We have to improve. Helium has soon proved by about twenty percent to be able to knock heads against life is good or You know or or some of the top worst. That are that are out there Because right now we've only run three times. Only its first going long and all the things that we mentioned. So how do we get divorce to improve twenty percent and it not easy at this stage of the game. So we're going through the the analysis right now and saying okay is training him in to fill in the blank. The arkansas derby the blue grass the you know the the the would is that going to help us. You know improve the verses ability and and you know by twenty percent or is it. hey we would. We better make sure that we give them as much time as possible. And over these next eight weeks we can train them Enough where we'll be able to improve you know the metric that we need It's unorthodox but i think when you look at who's ahead of us You know as far as odds wise in the future great life is good essential quality. I mean those are all you really outstanding verses. And i haven't even gotten to you know midnight. Bourbon proxy hidden stash and medina's the horse's like that so regardless of you know what happens between now and the first weekend of may we have to step up our game and i know it hasn't worked in the past for other people but it's almost like an and i use this analogy but because i'm not a big gambler but when people go to the casino and they go to the wheel and they'd say oh look you number. Fourteen came up three out of the past four times. I'm to bet on number fourteen because it works for. I'm not going to bet on number fourteen. Because it's a hot number and i want to you know The upper thirty six numbers. Or whatever you know may come up. The problem with that. Analogy is every time the the well spin. It doesn't have a memory of what it did before. Okay he doesn't know what king air mo- did before for what pletcher did before. He has no idea what the sources before him did. All all we know is that he is his own athlete. He's animal and if we feel like that. These next eight weeks will be best served for him. The bypass some of the Derby preps he's earned it. He got the fifty points already. So we don't need to prove that he deserved being in the starting gate for the kentucky derby. We just wanna make sure that if he isn't it starting Gate of because like derby that we've given him the chance possible to be successful well and that that'll lead me to a wider conversation. John green with us. Dj stable of course and he liam's win the tampa bay derby that leads me to previous experience and kind of a wider discussion about the way you and your father and your mother and lois have approach the game and how much how much knowing the derby you know. The derby lead up and getting to derby. How much of that. And how much of the experience going back. Twenty years to song and a prayer. How much of his travail weighs on you in making these decisions. Yeah you know. That's a very good point and prayer. Was the first horse that we owned a piece of that. They've ran in the derby and he was fresh off of the florida derby victory And and and you know we can go on that experience and don't forget our our our young trainer joking like our. Our training trainer marketing. He's had some experience with the big races also You know he hasn't won the derby yet but but he's one three thousand races you know in other grade other grade one wins and he's a hall of famer so we're not only not only have the benefit of of our own experiences but of his experiences. And then you know we have over four hundred clients. That are in the business. We've been able to kind of pick their brains. Also of you know how they either succeeded or didn't succeed. You know going into the derby so all of that information all that knowledge is is kind of getting processed and and and put down but to go back the song and a prayer You know a horse. That was fresh off the the The the florida derby and You know. In retrospect in hindsight he probably shouldn't have run into kentucky derby because he was really a front running. Sprinter that just caught. Good track that day and and and absolutely was able to carry speed You get seduced into you know wanting to run the horse do the kentucky derby because you've never been there before You know we were arguing. Bobby hurley who was a successful athlete and and he also wanted to run in his first kentucky derby so there were a lot of factors going into it as to why we ran that horse in the derby the one takeaway from that experience though was we promised ourselves my mom dad and i we were never going to run in the kentucky derby again or any great one for that matter unless we really felt like i had a chance because as you know you have so many starts at these horses and if you if you over tax them because they're running against sources that they just aren't fast enough to run again that's when they were tendency to over stride and hurt himself well and for those that That either know came to the game subsequently or are you know fairly new or just. Don't remember the song. And a prayer experience wins the fountain of youth and comes back and and participates. Not just in the florida derby but also in the bluegrass and in the bluegrass had to chase millennium wind. All the way around And then you know the derby You know you got to go He was thirteenth in one of the best in one of the best fields Assembled for the derby in in memory actually and At also of course a a derby that ends up being one of the fastest in really in fifty years probably so unfortunately by the time you get out of out of derby he only has one more started them. And and that was it before you know before going to study but that was in the jersey shore and then his career ended but You know you had you got the fountain of youth. Windy didn't run. Well in the florida. Derby and then ran okay in the bluegrass. So i i you know there was no reason necessarily not the run in the derby right exactly. I think we we've learned from just from a management style that these horses only have so many sorts and You know when. Marc asked us about specifically about helium. It basically talked to mark every day and we go over you know different sources depending on you know what we're shooting for or they're doing and when we talked about helium he asked me a very frank question. Which is you know greens. What are your goals for helium. What do you want to do it. and you know we huddled and talked about it and and basically they were two races. That are on our our our agenda with him the kentucky derby and the haskell at our home track at monmouth walk and not to say wouldn't run and other races but those are our primary goals with him You know thankfully. He's out of that of a really good mayor but he's by ironic. Who was an unknown i And not a commercial salient per se yet and so i don't worry about padding his resume to become a sounding across back yet. It's not like we have to worry about well. You wanna play win You know any of the other derby candidate dirty preps because it's going to make it look good when he stands at stud. We have the luxury of not worrying about that with him right now. All we wanna do is run him in the kentucky derby and then hopefully another race and then the haskell and at that point in time it. We've given him the best opportunity to run well in those races than i think. We've managed him well well from a from a wider perspective Give us a part of the The ninth aboard over these twenty years. Talk about how. Your approaches has changed and know what what has happened in around. The industry. That you know is the greatest influence in how your approach changed. I think that's a that's a great question. I think the that in the beginning like a lot of people we came into the business not known a lot not a lot of the players and we're more interested in in the claiming ranks the the quick action. The the you know running down for the fourth race on a on a wednesday And hopefully get your picture taken and then claiming a horse on thursday and trying to do it again a couple of weeks later and and when we looked at the economics of that it really didn't make sense so we shifted gears and started buying better bred horses and we again had to be nimble and ship years because all of a sudden we went from. Hey we can go to a sale and if we wanted to buy up worse At a certain price point for one hundred hundred fifty thousand which is a lot of money. Um i i mean we could do that. We could go in and buy kind of our top prospect in that price point and then the game change because you have really successful partnerships like you know west point thoroughbred and centennial and and and eclipse and then you have other partnerships now at a bigger level where Windstar is starting to partner with china horse and and you get the avengers that are buying and all of a sudden. You can't outspend people so you have to look elsewhere and say all right. Are we gonna try to outbid some of these big guns and spend all of our money for Two or three verses or do we have to reinvent ourselves and kind of be the oakland a.'s. And and tampa bay rays of of horse racing and and look at you know different analytics. And that's when we started buying athletes and buying athletes from first your salaries and we've had our best luck doing that You know way back in the eighties. We had a billion do it with style. Who won the ashland for us. A great one and she was first From the first crop of pancho via who again never really succeeded at study after that we just had the best one You could say the same thing about recently by. Jaywalk was champion philly champion and won the breeders cup juvenile filly race and she was out of the first proper cross traffic and again you can say maybe cross traffic isn't a successful sounding but she certainly was either the best and now helium where ironic is only had really hume full of of of souls in the first couple of crops and And and now he's the best of that group so we're finding that if you if you take athleticism first and then pedigree second That seems to be a better alternative for us Than than trying to outbid people for the next great nyquist or the next. You know the next uncle mo where the next happier we we can't we can't afford to knock heads with those big organizations And bigger individuals that want to buy those so we have to be nimble. I think that's that's the takeaway that i tell people all the time but it's our clients are people from empire racing club or or You know or or anyone else who who asked the question You have to be flexible. Be nimble because there's not one plan that is over he's gonna work because you know what there are a lot of really smart people in this business that can out smarten or outspend you so you have to kind of you know constantly change and be flexible And be a little unorthodox sometimes because the only way that you're going to be able to stay ahead of the rest of the group and you know even even early on you. Some of your early successes going back. That same philosophy hat to apply because i think about You know about a philly thing about a mayor like Career oriented that was by career and actually get paid a lot of money for that horse that she was seventy five thousand as a yes. June two year old from you know cats career right. Yeah and and that's what that's when that june sale with the leftover sale. I mean that's right through a lot of verses that either didn't make it to any of the other sales for weren't fast enough or just you know we're we're kind of picked ogre so that was a lot of money for for that modestly bread worse And even you know mo- green who now going to sound silly but agreeing who won multiple graded save raises for. She was an uncle. nobody she was from. Komo's i crap and people weren't sure about on komo so so so you know it's easy to look back now and kind of say. Hey we'll that that of course you bought an on komo. What no kidding that. The horse was good. But that wasn't the case. So i i think you have to be flexible in and a little unorthodox and you have to trust that the people you have around you know what they're doing and that that goes from marquette All the way down to you know. We bought this horse helium. We bought helium privately from both hunt. Who you know is probably one of the most successful pinnacles in the business but both also a friend of ours for for almost two decades. I trust them and when we talked last year when the pandemic was going on and they weren't sure if you're going to have two year old sales at the time bo said hey i got four or five years on farm at the seventy that i have. I got four or five. That you guys really should come down and see Mark win over and watch them train. Two or three times. We landed on three horses One of the two of them. We bought One caught me. Who's a twirling candy new york red that better than a surplus for us helium And the last one that we didn't buy because we couldn't agree on a price was miss brazil who just ran second in the bush. Yeah for yeah for dr exactly so so you know you have to have these connections with people also and people you can trust because there are a lot of people see that that that there's a lot of people that come sail times you know they. They see green comment or they you know the joneses coming to dismiss coming and and can't wait download of warsaw but people like you know. Bow hunt who. We have a longstanding relationship and we trust That gave us the impetus to go ahead and buy these sources and and you know my parents. And i was site on seeing. I mean we we to this day. I still have not laid pans on helium yet. Because you know because of the pandemic. And i've been stuck here in new jersey But helium doesn't know that he doesn't care he doesn't know john green you own somewhere or land greener lowest he. He's just a really good athlete. That boat picked out for us because he was training the horse for you know for four or five months and really thought that it would be a good fit for us so happy to be hooked up with the right people also know that that's a message that gets reiterated All the time. And you know if you're going to be serious about the game in a you know in a long term Getting you know getting an organization putting together a team you know it certainly. It might not be the first order of business for for people to think of bought In other we've we've discussed it before when you've been on and and when your dad joins us About you know the green group for instance and what you know. What a an experienced. And and very Industry specific accounting firm and adviser can do for you. and that's That's one part of the equation. I mean we've had over the years. Whatever dressed that portion of the conversation you know having you know having the horsemen team and and if you're going to breed having you know the the farm where you keep your mayors and the group that that starts your eurlings making decisions about who to go forward with who to sell. If you're on that side. I mean it it. It's gotta be people that you trust them implicitly. And you have confidence in and that everybody's on the same page and have you know. Mutual interest sir are at heart no question and and and also you know. It's a little sincerity. You also have to have a lot of patients because you know this weekend. We've been building our program for years and your and this weekend. We were fortunate enough to either own ourselves or have bread Six horses six different horses running at stake races this weekend. Guy and i was all excited mom and dad role excited for a great day of racing because we was draw. We figured we were going to have a couple of gracious that we really had had reason to cheer and at six o'clock in the morning marquette's he called me and said hey i i got i got bad news for you. The horse That you really liked the two year old you know Spicer that that you bought for over two hundred thousand dollars I breathe in this morning and he had a heart attack and died on the race track. And that's the way our day started was. Oh my god this force that hand handpicked and you know had had a bad heart valve and after a three furlong breeze dropped edible heart attack and you forget sometimes that that's part of the that's part of the top businesses that these are athletes and and and they get hurt and they get sick and sometimes unfortunately they they die And you go from like you're waking up in the morning expecting the highest of highs and i can't wait to watch the races early and you start off with the day like that and then the ended on a high note like helium winning a great to and and you know being in the conversations running in the kentucky derby i mean that's how quickly things change in this business over a twelve hour window. We went from the lowest of lows to the highest of house. And don't have the temperament to handle that then a it's a gut wrenching business down and it's the the heiser our second-to-none and the lows are unfathomable. It's i talk about this all the time and and it's one of the to me. It's one of the central characteristics of the sport and of the industry that That scares and intimidates Critics People that that that that don't have the wherewithal to to deal with you know with you. Know what essentially is a a somewhat anachronistic lifestyle that You know what it what it what it lacks in in in modern effect it. It makes up for in the the emotion and the gratification when you know when you're successful Absolutely absolutely i mean i. I woke up this morning and came downstairs. And i said i wonder why my right hamstring is bothering me so much and and it was because my wife said to me because you were you were slapping the program against legal so hard that you probably bruce no. That's how exciting that's exciting. Get when you watch these sources run and they represent your colors and they also represent you know all these plans that that you kind of put together and and it's great when a plan comes together like like a horse like helium There's no there's no way to describe it. It's to make to make me. Speechless is hard to do. And and that horse in that race was shut down on inspiring You know accomplishment for us and again. We've been fortunate to to win all kinds of great at st graces. I can't remember being excited. As i was an emotional as i was watching him win the way that he did Because of all the stories that were involved because of jose ferrer there with two sons and white You know watching him win. And mark kassy's. It was a five year on bursary. Marquette father passing away and the breeder Gabrielle called her own. Her dad was the one who took this really successful campaign. Three generations of of mayors on that family and he specifically took that merit to ironic is of all of overseas. Because he felt like i would have You know enough distance and speed to be able to run these kind of classic races when nobody else would think of ironic as as a as a as a quote unquote derby contending scaling. So it all of these stories that that kind of get mixed eight to one and then when the horse for wire i and it such an emotional lip you know how it is. I mean you you can sip business. I for a longer than i have. Even there's no describing was the highest of legal highs meeting there you go with a with a modifier job green patriot league graduates. We know about party. Well it's been a. We're we're looking forward to wednesday. In fact The raiders moving on and facing bucknell in the in the semi's and navy got knocked off so The maroon of seemingly have a pretty a pretty clear path maybe so excited for it And and the ncaa tournament is such an exciting time and it coincide with the most exciting time of the year in our business and and just as a fan of both industries. I mean it it. It was like waking up to morty gras every day when you know when march madness hits not only basketball also in in the racing industry under this is this. Is the pinnacle of sports for for guys like me. It's the most exciting Need a period of time in the industry. You got a franchise and You've got a whole lineup and This opportunity with helium. He's going to try to improve From destin's experience destin was the horse That i was region for earlier that todd one with he was the first to win the tampa bay and then wait for the derby and he actually ran well in in derby and then turned around and got beat in the most harrowing beaten in belmont history. Maybe when when rice got beaten the belmont. And i i could still. I could still see. Aaron wellman's sheets just complete complete blank. After after that. Beat was i think it was. It was a creator. I think creator is at the wire yeah. I was aaron with With the twin creeks Team right was Randy when they were they were destined together. Well i excited for you and for your father. Tell your father. I i've got stuff to send to the dropbox and he must thank. You must think. I'm i'm a complete tom. Tom but We'll we'll get that done. John green and of course watch for john With my man. Jobe anka and the td and podcast the writer's room weekly as well and you may be the guest this week for for your. I finally have been earned greek. I don't i'm going to do a three hour consultation but always worth it just to say that but thank you. Thank you for having me on my really enjoyed it and also for plug in our our podcast on wednesday with with the tbn. We certainly have You know enjoy doing that. that that podcast as well but we hold yours as as the ultimate benchmark on how we're going to hide you can follow john on twitter. John green twenty twenty two and watch for the each week. Joe and and john and alan kerala when the team and whoever they bring on each week for the writer's room as well and for the green group For all your financial advice needs whether you're actually whether you're in the industry or not they they. They're not they're not exclusive a owner said to equine interested parties. John green everybody. Let's take a break. Top of the hour. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 12/21/20--Weekend Recap

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 12/21/20--Weekend Recap

"Narrow maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for horse racing news interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host jason. Be around a good monday morning. Me all winter solstice day. And welcome to the jason morris racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. I'm your host as beam. Happy to be with you here on this monday of Christmas week if that's your thing if it's not monday Here with you to recap some of the weekend action So the plan for this week and next week is. I'm going to take thursday and friday off. I didn't take thanksgiving or black. Friday off and i was even starting to think i can still do a show for thursday christmas eve and then i'm like now you know i should actually take my days off when i have them and then you know i should so i'm not gonna feel guilty about that. You guys are going to message me. Tell me no. It's fine jason. We don't need to show on christmas eve talk gut but Yeah so we're gonna do shows today tomorrow. Wednesday next week will be our year end review. we will some of this week. Talk about santa anita's opening day. Obviously maybe early in the week next week Talk santa anita's opening day. Recap kind of things. The twenty-sixth is a sunday this year. And it's just it's looking to be a pretty good day of racing so and then Probably tuesday wednesday. Thursday of next week will be our year in review. We'll look back at some of the guests that were on the show. Some of the stories of twenty twenty In racing and all that kind of fun stuff. I always liked doing it. It's a fun couple. A day shows for me I hope you guys enjoy it when we do do it. And then i'll take new year's day off next friday and then after that it will be twenty twenty one and we'll be raring and ready to go coming up on the the five year anniversary to of When the the barn starts five years doing a daily podcast. I've been starting to explore. How i wanna celebrate that little milestone and so we'll have that i think it's january ninth or maybe it's like it's somewhere in the early middle stages of january. So we'll do that. As you heard. Ed mentioned on friday if you listen to the jury or if you did not tell you right now at an i are going to go to sam. Houston race park for their big weekend of racing. At the end of january they get underway here. Just a few weeks on january the eighth and so we're gonna do some social media stuff some video stuff promote all that kind of fun stuff I'm excited. I've never been to sam. Houston i've been to houston twice. I've been through it coming back from florida each of the last couple of years but never actually stopped. I know they are having fans in attendance. So i'm i'm a little apprehensive about how i wanna. I told that. I'm like you know i'm not going out to restaurants and stuff like there's a lot of down there so you know i'm a warrior. I know other people aren't and that's their prerogative but so i'm still trying to negotiate how how to best to do that but i am excited to go and get on the road so what. I'll probably do for that. Week is probably drive down there. You know i don't really fly back. I'll probably drive down there Friday saturday sunday. And then we'll kind of do a week of shows that are very sam. Houston texas racing centric. We might actually sneak over at delta downs for a day after afterwards. I'm kind of excited about that too. But yeah we will we will. We'll do A fun week of shows from the road. I'll just come right back home after that and Looking forward to it. So i always. I mean i'm on the road so much during the year but i do think that sometimes it's fun to have these these little outskirts. There's more to talk about. As far as what i'm up to And i kind of like the idea of. When i was down in miami last year we interviewed a few different folks from gulfstream. And all that. I think it's kind of fun sometimes to regionalize the show for short bits of time. So that's That's all coming up in the coming days weeks and months here on the j. b. hrp but do wanna look back at some of the action from the weekend. Hope you guys had a good weekend i am. I didn't do much of anything. What did i do i want. I bought these new thing. They're not new but they're new to me are ropes. My old trainer in portland used to use them with me when she would train me. And they're really good for your arms and legs like you can do a lot of different exercises and they give you the kind of basically use. Your body weight is resistance but because of the ropes you can kind of adjust it and I just find that gives me a very good workout. And and i like him so i started doing that last week in my arms are still sore from doing those for few days. But that's good. Soreness is progress but yeah just a very quiet weekend sat around and watch racing all day on and much of friday of course friday the remington park Big card and i tell you what this was We talked a bit about the springboard mile. And it's it's derby points race and so you know it's It's important race and the favorite was the out outdoor door. Who i told you. I didn't like at all and and the other one that was gonna take a lot of money was cowen who again both were trying turf and things and all that and you know i kind of ended up. Landing on the cock- source. The ten joe frazier as long along with the number one and even the number two is a possible price horse. Well the number one senior or got pat down pretty severely down to seventy two. We actually just under four two one. Three ninety two one and i know ed was on. The horse. scott was on the horse. A bunch of other analysts were. Brian's spencer who does a lot of work Following remington was on the horse. It was Word was out. And it's so interesting. Because i feel like you know in general. I always want word not to be out on horses that i you know pick and lake because you want the highest price possible. There's a lot of people who take it as though it's a really good thing because it's a sign that the connections and people in the know Really liked the horse. And so i'd rather be right when you know. Most of the other people are are wrong. And i was kinda thinking about. I was to rationalize myself into accepting the point of view of. Oh it's a good sign when people are betting your horse and in this particular instance. I think there's some merit to that. I don't know if all the way down to four one was a good sign but because the debut was a local remington won. The horse certainly got overlooked in in that sense but the horse closed from way off the pace in a sprint. First time out which is not an easy thing to do There was actually a tampa. I stor who made some insane turf closing move on sunday if it was the nine forget what race middle of cards somewhere but But it's not an easy thing to do for a horse to make up a ton of ground from off the pace. And so to me i kinda upgraded the fact. The horse got a big speed figure to cause a lot of times when those kind of raises happened. It's because everything falls apart up front and so the time and the the figure not all that great and so. I think that a lot of the tote action certainly indicated any apprehension. That i maybe had that maybe the horse just you know beat up on remington horses and got to you know maybe a good setup that day that ended up clearly a lot of people like the horse and then the effort of not breaking very well circling the entire field and winning by six. Who and also the second place. Finisher cowan was another three clear of third leg. I mean it was a drubbing that this horse put on everybody so it sounds like i forgotten. You know there's been a lot of changes in the rules and medications and what year what tracks are allowing lasix. And which ones aren't and all this kind of stuff. So i guess what happened with this particular horses. This one did run on lasiks. In fact i think all but one or two of the horses ran on lasix in this race. And i think it's like if you're on lasix she get derby points. I didn't know that was a thing but apparently it is. I read a few different places so it sounds like twitter. Fisher said that he's planning on going the fairgrounds route in terms of preps an and sounds like he will get off the lasix to earn points. i just i mean i know we've heard like all these different things about lasix in twenty twenty one and twenty which i guess it's almost twenty twenty one so i guess that's that's going to be happening now but i just didn't i guess it just didn't set in my brain. I didn't. I didn't realize that that was that was a rule and something that's happening so Yeah but apparently they're going to to take the fairgrounds route. I mean it was an awesome performance. really really awesome performance. And i'm kind of excited to see what this one can do. I mean it was. You know it's obviously a pretty decently bred horse by mineshaft kentucky bread and all that but you think smaller time remington park is not a huge huge track in terms of the national prominence theme. But this is a race that's produced a couple decent horses and so why not. I guess it's going to be interesting superman man. It was e- That was something to be said. Might my main takeaway of the race was kind of trying to figure out. You know the association of the is is is. Your horse getting pounded the windows. Is it a good sign. I suppose yes. Is it good for your betting. I would suppose no. In terms of the actual price you may be should be getting. I think we can agree. The morning line was not good clearly just from where it showed up and the fact that you know a lot of the tout's were on the horse also kind of indicates that i always i always tell you like and i don't mean that as not a demeaning thing in this particular instance it's demeaning thing when the people are going around quoting the morning line If i remember right. I saw ed scott even talk about how it was not going to be fifteen two one and so they get some some credit for that. But when you see the tout's that are like oh fifty one more own scores reserve and a five like they knew their their tout's love to throw round a morning line price that they were never going to get because somehow they think in the public's mind and i'm sure it probably doesn't some people's that it's going to resonate with like man you know so and so bill likes a fifteen to one. You know blind. Bill that the capper he likes a a fifteen one shot now. He doesn't that horse was never fifteen two one at any point. You're you because you can never bet a horse at it's morning line price. It was never fifteen. Two one in this particular instance and so and really i mean you you you you you just you never getting the price. You're only getting the price the final price right. That's the way para mutual works And so even if a horse gets bet down from ten to one to five to one. I know it sucks but you are. You never got ten to one at any point. You thought you were but you never truly did anyway. Let's let's start our weekend. Recap over at the fairgrounds where super santa saturday was going on and finally some a little bit of a break in the weather had a fast track in on the turf course for the big fairground saturday Yet wait all the way till race number. Thirteen the finale. To get to see the star of the show max field who was making his fourth career start and obviously horse who's been plagued by unfortunate injuries but To a try to run his record to a perfect four four and Was hammered at the windows but all the way down to one to to clear second choice. Sodom and at seventy two and a seven to one on captivating moon stake. Listen back to the great. John g duly with the call of the tenacious from super santa saturday. Oh fairground they're often. The nature stinks of twenty twenty locally owned broke sharp cool bumping right there with a bid from the rail and there goes max field up after the front and dinar is right there to cool. Bobby just leans max field. At the clubhouse ter- saving brown is locally owned who broke sharp with sunnyville in fifth. Just inside seven furlongs to go. The trailers are captivating moon with rojo heater. Cool bobby so cool bobby. By three quarters max maxine. The wrong ruin the godolphin blue right there. Tracking cool bobby. Who puts up an opening quarter in twenty four point six three seconds so the back of this historic new orleans. Track ken cool. Bobby generates the paints. Who bobby the target for max field. Who's might there and dinner is running third locally owned and forth captivating muna fifth with a rent cap sunnyville some eight from moving either call bobby still prompted thereby max field and we'll co remains last. They went past the half-mile pole and forty eight point. Thirty nine seconds until the far. Turn cool bobby maccesfield right outside just inside three furlongs to go max fields. Move to take on. Cool bobby as they come to the quarter pole with dinar in third son of a looks to gain thorough captivating moon and the trailer load owned they strengthen past the quarter pole. Three-quarters one point twenty seven seconds. Much field has taken on even the final furlong and a half from cool. Bobby second half. The inside charging is dinar and sunnyville looks to move up between horses as they pass the sixteenth with the wrong drew. Max 'field maxwell comes roaring back on top to take the tenacious stakes by three. So max field stylish victory. I didn't think it was anything to get way too excited about. But i thought it was a very workman-like win. I think he got ninety eight on the buyer number. I'll be excited to see what his His prison that figure is that's pretty on par terms of prison numbers with what he is Run his previous one. But it's obviously been you know very spread out campaign. He had that huge win in the breeders for charity. His matt win win was was solid from well off the pace and he does at once again. Obviously much closer this time kind of employed a new style which you know in general not always but in general i think that the best older handicap division horses the who can lay pretty close and stock but obviously a lot of the baffles in recent years have been go to the front and never come back although they have at times employed a forwardly placed sil- wasn't on the lead but overall i mean his ones tend to go faster lee. And try to catch us now. You know but i think i'm thinking of california chrome. I'm thinking of even dortmund horses. It had some pretty natural speed but maybe at their best were were able to stock from that. I you know they're that second tier of of the field. And if that's something. Max fuel can employ now. They weren't fly but it wasn't like it was a crazy slow pace. They went forty one of the half. And he's just laying a length off of it and so you know. I wanna say that that's a little bit of a new dimension for him but if you look at his other rate or at least his last race in that win he was eight but he wasn't very far back he was only two and three quarter legs behind At the first three calls and so yes he was last but it was like a really really tight knit field. But prior to that you know he'd been kind of Falling back a little bit further and his races. And if this is a new dimension for him i think it could be an advantageous one. If it's one that he can reproduce the horse that was lead cool. Bobby i thought for a split second might give him a real tussle down the stretch. But max 'field the able to pull away say a lot. You often see class coming that last eighth of a mile which into me. It's when you know when when you get a situation where you get to horses that turned for home. And you know after seven eighths of a mile there you know the the other horses still kinda there with him but the class. Your horse will often continue that same speed or close to it for a longer period of time and a more fluid stride at the end instead of bobbing and weaving in. And you know and to me. That's something that mexico might very. Well move forward on You know as seeing as this was such a long break between starts but that's that's unfortunate because of the injury has been his mo so. I'm really curious to kind of see how he runs. You know really a second time off the lay off the only time we've seen him do that was after his career debut in the pre fraternity and by the way that was maybe as best race of his career so You know i think. He certainly warrants to be in the the older horse. Division conversation is going to have to prove himself a little bit more I thought it was a very nice performance and You know and like i said he. He did what he was supposed to do. But i think there's reason to build. I'm never going to get too excited over. A one to two shot beating up on a small field. But i think it was a good first step and you know. We've had walsh the show a couple times and he seems like such a likable guy so i was Easy to root for connections there just before that race there was a debut. Horse unleashed by brad. Cox judd farms. Praet who went one nine and four thick. it was. Yeah one nine point. one seconds. rallied from off the pace. Real big debut for that one and would not be surprised at all. That was a two year old. If we see this horse lining up in a race like the lecompte or or maybe they try to win the allowance and then go to the risen star or something like that. But who and it's it's a six furlong debut but man it was It was something nice. Delete s scoring a a winnie the blushing katie stakes. Able to shrug off on early challenge from launch. Qura and hold off. Secret message was starting to rally late and get their like at a lot of good maiden special weights kind mixed in between the stakes races on saturday. The fairgrounds Joe sharp and logical myth beating cross-border by just ahead cross-border On the mike maker trainee I honestly thought it was gonna win in midstretch but logical myth with a A really really gutsy performance able to To get the score and that one arca destined the merrill sheer over just might Remember we had michelle level on earlier this year Trains just might. That horse doesn't win very often. but he's tries his butt off. I mean really really does and the sugar bowl it was quick tempo. A schizo effort. Christopher davis who had on the old barn show way back when going wire-to-wire and the nice perform it's for For that team. So congratulations to them. And then letellier memorial joys rocket short price thought for a second. I was a big fan of the four. In here for chris block but Thought they might have had joys rocket on the ropes turned for home but she found another gear for ricardo santana and got the win but fun saturday at a fairgrounds. Of course you know every every few weeks now we're going to have those big fairgrounds weekend's Lecompte coming up in the risen star in february and of course louisiana derby day coming up in march. So we'll talk more about the fairgrounds meat as we go throughout these wintertime months. And we'll talk more about the the weekend that was including gulfstream park. Up next on our weekend. Recap the jason horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires not only offers the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device but we also have great offers for our players visit twin spires dot com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick or assistant win. Sheri- thoroughbred to harness. We present promotions for all types of racism and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers to find out what offers are available to you the jason beam worst bracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation. Join host jason bean. Has he discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every monday through friday. The show can be founded twin spires dot com or on. Itunes spreaker stitcher or wherever. You get your podcast from the jason beam horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires back here on the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires monday weekend. Recap addition of the show. As i mentioned last week i was going to do a guest for tuesday. And then i. I don't wanna bug. I know not. Everybody celebrates the christmas holiday. But i just didn't want to leave. People be during the holidays like forgive. You know -tations. I think this year in particular. I'm sure you know. A lot of people are not getting to spend a ton of time with the family because of the restrictions and everything. So it's just gonna be. You mean but luckily i feel like i have a lot to talk about it. It'll probably be a more Handicapping betting wagering discussion on tomorrow's show Wednesday show will probably look ahead a little more to santa anita and I also want to read twas the night before christmas. So we'll do that. On on wednesday show which will be our final show before the extended holiday break but Like i said i I don't know it. Just i i. I didn't feel like having any gifts bugging him. Hey can you come on my show two days before the holiday and like i said there's a lot i want to talk about. I my favorite thing to do right now. In terms of you know prepping for the show is to just watch social media and to watch what people do and say in regards to racing. Because i would say nine times out of ten. They're these great examples of what not to do and they queue up in me of how to of of things to discuss. That i think are not only what not to do but are things that i used to do and that i think a lot of people still do I never claimed that. I'm right on everything. And but i do think that. I can provide you with a good insight and a good analytical look at handicapping betting in your ticket construction and all that kind of thing In kind of an mostly non-judgmental women. I'm judgmental on the hard fact stuff but in reality if you want to go to the track and blow off five hundred dollars making terrible bets like honestly more power to you. I'm not mad about that. But i think for most of our listening audience that are into the betting side of things they like talking about you know how to maybe improve their game And that's the feedback. I get on a near daily basis and so We're gonna stick with With that kind of analysis. I think there's i think there's enough of you know here. We're going to look at the seventh race and handicapped elite pick five. I don't think you guys need that for me. I'll talk about the racist. But i just i think there's enough of that out there and honestly i think that's where a lot of the fun is but when it comes to theory and You know ideas dialogues. That's that's kind of the pocket. I wanna be and In terms of what we discuss in not only the wagering embedding side of things but also just the sport itself you know. I mean i. It's kind of what i talked about last week. As far as the weekend. Recap like i don't want it to just be well max field. you know. look nicely and did this and did that. And i'm hoping that we can add something of uniqueness whether it's talking about you know the bedding sequences leading up to that fairgrounds. I was kind of check in and out throughout saturday. So it wasn't like i was following it Leg by leg and looking at kind of how the sequences played out gulfstream on the other hand. i definitely did do that. And so i think that i can hopefully provide a little more insight into that kind of stuff because i do think it's a a really important part of your betting improvement to to look back not only at the wages you made and where you may be made mistakes from a not so much even from a result standpoint but from a standpoint of a man you know i i went four or five deep in that leg there and really i just had the top four or five. I wasn't going to make any kind of advancement on my ticket in that leg. Even if i was right And so you start to look at you know and by the way that that doesn't mean that you have to think. Oh i should have just tossed all the four forces. I liked and picked all the bombs that race. Of course in that example. That would have been a winning move but in the long term you know maybe the answer was you know what i really liked the five the best out of all of them. They're all right about the same price instead of going. Four deep there. I should have just singled the five who i liked best and that would allowed me to spread much deeper and some of the legs and maybe get a more of a price in a leg that i thought was the more contentious Even if you're result would have been lost this time. I think doing that kind of thinking and analysis about your tickets will help you the next time. And also maybe make you realize you know where your ticket wasn't as advantageous. I mean look back through a sequence look at the races where you're you know one deep two d. three every race and kind of say. Okay what was. I going to move forward. If i won with any of the horses i had there. You know my ticket growing inequity or is shrinking shrinking and multiple races. I mean it's it's time to get out of the pick four or five game. 'cause you're not doing it right And again that's not just because you know that doesn't mean if if you go nine deep or you go the all button or whatever and you know you get the occasional fourteen to one twenty to one and stuff like that. That doesn't mean you were right and smart image. You got lucky which is part of this game but you want to put yourself in a position to get lucky You know the right way and at the right times and you know and so you get what i'm saying because if you have the all button a very big chunk of those numbers would have resulted in losing equity that particular race and we'll talk more about that tomorrow because like i said i think i kind of want to have a long discussion on that stuff and tomorrow seems like a good day to do it. Over at gulfstream. Park the Feature on the program. On saturday the mr prospector and pretty damn good group assembled for this. I thought contentious race frenzy. Fire ends up going off as you're just under three to one morning earth post time favorite you get seventy two on diamond hoop so i was stone cold against You know as we talked about on friday but to sleepy. Is todd five to one coming off that win where he was split up the rail and they had the spill at keeneland and five to one seven to one lasting legacy who was second in this race last year behind diamond hoops. Let's take a listen to our buddy l. o. With the call and often the mr prospector out wide mind control was well served at the start. There goes long shot. Wind of change put into play of the favourite. Sleepy is todd gets away. The best with ferenza fire just on his outside that the inside goes cool. Aero diamond. hoop says midflight. Lasting legacy is toward the fence. A gap of three. That's catchment racing inside forensic fire. Who's toward the back of the field. Haikal majestic downhiller next and edna's last as they head to the half mile point with the advantage wind of change on a mission. He's off the lead by four lengths. Cool aero is clearly second toward the rail. Sleepy is todd has now moved up to take joint. Third zenden is between horses in mind controls on the outside. It's lincoln after the fence. Lasting legacy coming into the clear to launch his bid. Forensic fire is next diamond hoop. We'll have to pick up his feet and do it soon. He's links better than eban minutes. Last judgement haikal is still far back and the trailer is majestic done hill and the leader is still wind of change. When they've changed in a big numbers gone awfully quick and he's got classy individuals charging him cool aero ferenza fire in the clear now up on his upside mind-control lasting legacy and sleepy is an act like care. Sleepy is taught now to a narrow lead forensic fire takes his shot on the upside. Second sleepy is taught almost home. Sleepy is todd wins. The mr prospector. I gotta admit sleepy is todd is becoming one of those horses who i never give much respect to and he just continues to run well and and do good things. I mean you can even argue even in the awesome again. I mean it was kind of up against it from a pace and class standpoint. And i know that. He folded the tent leave but he was mixing it up early on with maximum security in those types like like i just i looked through his. Pp's and like the travel that he's done the charlestown classic on whitewater and by the way he's i mean last time comes from last this time. He's up a little bit closer. I thought kathleen gave him a very good ride in this one kept him close up saved a little bit of ground and then and then split runners decisively. It was just a really nice effort in this horses. Just going so so well right now. Beguel silva deserves a lot of plaudits for for what he's done with. Sleepy is todd. who's now made oversell. What seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in fifteen starts. I mean it's It's thirty thousand dollars. Studies he's pocketing home so The fact that he's traveled so much of canterbury remington sam houston fairgrounds fodder park lonestar. Charlestown sandia keeneland alcohol street. It's a crazy you know Swiss skydive aerienne travel resume but I mean just go and really really good right now and got a good ride and it was a good spot. And you do that with a horse. That's got some got some talent and they'll they'll win for you. Sometimes i thought frenzy fire. Was you know. I read kind of made the big move and i thought for a second. He was the winner before sleepy. Is todd got loose and then my control. We talked about you know i was. I was glad to see him. Get back into the been a little bit you know. I said. I felt like he was going to run a bigger race one of these times and he's twelve to one and you know he ran. Well i would say. And i'm not great but well To finish third ahead of a wind of change certainly lasting legacy a little bit of a disappointment but he had some trouble in there and a diamond hoops. Just the a no show. I mean really just did not fire which you know that happens. You got to be forgiving in this game. And if you're diamond hoops fan or you know if you do you're gonna get probably a bigger price depending on where he comes back next time but yes sleepy. Todd is just a horse. That's rolling right now and you got five to one at your final price right at the morning. Line mischa pete And you know. I was trying to think of this. This is definitely a hindsight race. Just because it's like coty just so he he very much fits at this level and he's going to be you know significantly bigger price than forensic fire some of these other top ones Think he ended up getting a one hundred beyer speed figure for the effort and certainly a horse. You coulda had you know i. I didn't necessarily love him In this particular spot but looking back. It's like man he's he's not the toughest one to not have particularly. I mean the race shaped up kind of like we thought it would right. When to change what blasting out to the front Thought maybe cool arrow would be up there. Forwardly placed but honestly i thought. Cpi todd would be a little bit more forwardly placed and so his versatility just overcame and it sounds like they're thinking about going pegasus with him. you know it's again i. If tis the law regresses it just seems like kind of a wide open race You know no express of course anymore. i'd just think it it kind of a shaping up that way The finale at gulfstream. Saturday was twenty one morning line shot. That was down five to one for leper. Ruin right to the front for jackson who continues to have a very nice Twenty twenty capped off a twenty five hundred dollar pick five rainbow six jackpot which was the mandatory payout over five million in that pool. You got back seventy three hundred for the the twenty cents a few Were fortuitous stuff. I saw they didn't drag the post time on the jackpot. Either so that's good at that's Continuing to be a gulfstream park practice the other big stakes race on the saturday. Car the vyborg. Ac steaks and Field of nine in here favoritism going the way just tentatively a traipsing figure to be your early pay center always shopping in great island also got some good support on capitol chris at ten to one. Let's take a listen back to the va. That's the nine of them as they go. Four furlong from the finish fifty seconds for the opening half mile. Traipsing has the lead three parts of length lady. Pandas second always shopping is third. Grade island is now fourth from gun. Society in between horses and court return capita cruises. Next can't believes being asked to quicken and not doing so yet. Still tobacco chelsea's cross. She's still held up in traffic as they run to the top of the stretch. Three-quarters one fourteen and one may turn in. Here comes the run from always shopping. What go under tease junior to take the lead toward the inside. Traipsing is now second center in great island with captain. Crews cam believes kelsey crosser next but this is over. It's always shopping. Todd pletcher for poli racing to win by three conclusive legs. This would have been the leg where. I was gone out of everything because i didn't like this at all and got to give credit to todd. Pletcher doors just seems to have turned a corner on the grass. You know they tried to get this horse on the grass last april and it got washed off. They got on the grass and a stake in the horsemeat. Kind of an early move but was cut you know dueling early on before fading a little bit and now subsequently. They tried the dirt a couple. More times didn't work. They've put back on the grass and the speed figures. Were not all that great coming into this race but the result were very good and then this particular race just sat a really nice easy trip and was able to accelerate away. I mean traipsing was a little bit of a mystery from not having offering anything after that early start and kept a crazy thought came with a nice run and actually did get promoted up to second for into the exact because great island shifted out at the eighth pole and kept decrease had some good momentum and to me it looked kinda like and i say this is a captain. Chris supporter The capture chris was kind coming in. Just a smidge as great island was coming out. I think it made it look. Maybe a little worse than it did. But i i think i thought the four was going to go by the nine to kinda come out like that. So i kind of agree with the deke in that particular instance but Yeah fun fun. Little saturday. at gulfstream park. You know of talking about the the you know the rainbow six and you know how you can look back and see. Okay you know how how do you. How do you get to to that particular to a win in that particular sequence and i would have as i said i would've been knocked out of everything with always shopping because to me. That was a a race where i didn't like the two lowest price horses Really i didn't like the three lowest price horses and of course they ran one to four. Actually one three four if you count disqualification but You know that's going to happen. I it to me. It's one of those races. Where i think a lot of people probably went three deep or four deep and they probably did it with those. You know the there was two horses at five. The two one of three to one and That would have been a race where i would have gone with. Captain craves either as a single or maybe a sprinkle in the five chelsea's cross. You know i go too deep just trying to beat those horses and and if i'm wrong so be it Because i just didn't think it was a race that was going to grow any kind of equity throughout the sequence. But i would have been you know total bust. Oem there You know the rest of the sequence was not that alagic dylan rocks was You know a force. It was bet down for maker here. One in there Sonar was a third choice and You know wire-to-wire but like i said it was not a a crazy sequence And sleepy is todd at belief. I walk kentucky. Farrow is the one that is you know five to one but the twenty one the morning lot especially in a last leg i think is going to get overlooked favorite. There's a lot of people that when they when they map out there. Pick fives and pick sixes. You know they only. They have so many horses that they get to the end. And then like crap. I only got enough budget for for a single or maybe two or three or whatever and so sometimes they get a little a little chalky at the end. And i know the horse was bet down to Fifth choice but you know people see that twenty one morning line and there's a lot of people that just get dismissive of it Especially at the end of the sequence. I think they get some of it. To be honest. I think people just get tired from handicapping at the end of a six. you know. Pick six type sequence. Just you know. It's just kind of part of human nature. We had low. Sal they had that Two dollar pick six carryover somebody out. There took what had been one of the more painful beats you know if it's one of the The elite computer things than i'll feel bad for but there was one person live. This was on friday to this two-horse paying one point. Three million and the horse opened up in midstretch after doing a fair bit of work early on i mean had to work to get the lead and keep it and i just thought was going to be able to get it out and got ran down in the last couple of months it ended up paying over a quarter million so you know if it was a regular john q. Handicapper the definitely Hope they had that ten along with the two but man one point three million bucks is a lot of clamps lauderdale so a tough tough for somebody out there to to get nipped for what one point one million. Just one point one million. Aw aw i've been live. I i'm trying to think what the biggest i you know. We always hear people talk about their biggest scores. I'm trying to think what the biggest ever live too. I know in pick six. I was live to thirty seven thousand one hundred with duct which would have been one of think three tickets. It was a cute little carryover and my horse was right. There turned for home and had momentum. And i thought was going to win and ended up getting beat by horse. I didn't have. I had there was three horses that came to the line. I had two of the one. I didn't have one i think i've told the story before but Yeah i'm trying to think if that's the biggest i've ever been live too. I think it might have been. I think that might be the most. I've ever been live to cause a lot of times when your life to a crazy. Five figure thing like that. Sometimes it's when you're you know if if you have a big spread in the last race and there's one big outlier and sometimes it's because you had the big prices earlier in your life to a completely logical horse. I mean it just It varies but man the Oh god million dollars leading and midstretch. That's that's tough. I mean that's just you know we always joke about a life changing score depending of course on who you are but i think for a good majority of people in the world that one point one million is a changing score. But you never know. Hopefully for this person was wasn't an could settle for the two hundred eighty thousand a paid the low south feature. Of course the agreed to los alameda security and favoritism going the way of red flag was coming off that big victory down at del mar last time out. Spielberg looking to rebound. I ended up going off your nine to five second choice at six to one on patrizio and a settlement positively couple longshots outside of that. Let's take a listen back to my coronas call to low south for charity western and positively collided after the stock positively check back to laos and patrizio goes back there with him the great one western and spielberg the first three degrees. The judges on the first occasion with red flag behind them fourth positively moves to fifth and patrizio. Six than last at the seven eighths. Paul where the maiden will set the pace the great one leading from weston followed by spielberg outside red flag. Positively five or six lengths off the lead and petrosky outer his inside trails onto the backstretch. Pasta six furlong marker. It's the great one in charge by one length western second spielberg three wide bird. Red flag the fence. But i'd buy crew. Theo and lost a bowl is positively at the five eighths pole in the los alamitos. Thirty where the great one remains at the top end of the field leading by a length and a half from western red flag is making progress along the inside. Spielberg continues to chart a three wide costs by the half-mile pole two and a half lengths. But tricky o v into the far turn and bread positively brings up the rear three eighths from home as they sweep around the far bend. And it's the great one in front by lincoln. Three-quarters from spielberg followed by western. Red flags on the inside spielberg is being able to move a couple of lengths. Clear of red flags. Now being guided off the royal by spinoza and patricia was staking his claim down. The extreme outside three sixteenths left to go. And it's the great one still the leader by two lengths from spielberg a gap of three or four lengths to red flag who has hosted the white flag but tricky getting past him a sixteenth left to go and spiel burgers ranging after the great one. The great one tries to klingon as spielberg throws down by gauntlet. Spielberg comes up that great. One photo head bobbing finish tied at the great one or spielberg with rookie. Oh rubbing on. Stoutly third clear of red flag. So the great one reaching for the line. Spielberg nails him in the last jump from the court of the comments. One bob and lost bob and Bob won the. Bob is a flopping pratt and spielberg teaming up to to get the win and red flag obviously one of the stories in here just not really firing that big a one and it kinda. You know one of the beauties of two year old racing. There's just a lot of changing going on right now and there are a lot of learning You know honestly of foldable favorites because people have such a short resume to go off of and you know a lot of times a big win or in many cases a big loss can really shift the dollars dramatically whereas you get a horse a tom's day or something like that who maybe doesn't fire. It's best shot. People are still going to bet that horse next time back maybe not as much but certainly much more than what a two year old who had a good debut but then didn't fire second time out so spielberg able to get back on the great one. I mean if you had that one you don't get many thirty three to one shots that are cleared midstretch and look like they might be home. So that's a. That's a tough one if you were a part of that team but By baffert wins the fraternity for billionth time. In what was it i think. They said he's won. Thirteen times something crazy but in narrate reflect back to the drawing board so Just a quick look at the weekend. That was mentioned. No guests tomorrow or wednesday. Tomorrow we're going to have a long discussion discourse. Let's talk about betting. Wagering and wednesday's show we will Talk santa anita opening weekend. We'll talk some other weekend. Action will read the twas the night before christmas which is a little bit of trish. We did it last year. We did it a couple of years ago So we'll do all that this week. If you have questions comments you can always email me. Jason charles beam but dot com. Got a ton of emails from you guys over the weekend and i got back to all of them so really appreciate you guys Checking in having discussions really makes my weekend go a lot better so we will see guys back tomorrow. Have a good monday everybody.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 6/25/21--Weekend Preview

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 6/25/21--Weekend Preview

"Maximum security has been defeated for. This is the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for horse racing news interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host. Jason be rather good friday morning. The all welcome into the jason beam racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires onto this friday june. The twenty fifth in a fair bit to talk about. We certainly want to talk about the big card coming up. Churchill on saturday. Headlined by the stephen foster grade. Two stephen foster six hundred thousand bucks and Kind of a fun race fund field i. It's interesting when i opened up the optics plot to look at ray. So i'm i broadcasting and colonel debris brassica which panned out on my map. Looks like it's right about the center of the united states. So i'm about halfway down to tampa from from oregon but i'll talk about my travels here in a second but when i when i last night i was looking at the. Pcp's to prepare for for this show and looking at the Churchill card and i was looking at it without the morning line and so when i first opened the optics plot. I was like wow. Who's this four horse sprawl man. He's going to be one of the big favorites. But then i was like okay. Well max fields in here. So he's not going to be a big favourite but like his optics plot is pretty damn favorable and very comparable to tobacco fields. So that i see the like of out. He's tend to want it. I'm like who who i mean i do. You know you look at the. Ps and i talked about this a fair bit but i think it's. It's it's so important to become a good line maker on your own and not a morning maker but a you know. What kind of price am. I really going to get a horse. And obviously we talk about using the double probables and the will pays on doubles and stuff like that to kind of get a decent sense of those things but first of all. we're always. We're all going to be surprised. Sometimes at money some horses take. It could be that we thought a horse is going to be a big price. He's bet way down. I feel like that's normally the case. 'cause people get married to the morning line in the sense that all all the morning line is is one person's gas on what the final odds are going to be and when that person's wrong so often people oh ten to one morning line. It's two one. Oh hashtag and no hashtag. Bad morning wasn't that they knew now. Sometimes they do. I've seen a few at gulfstream breeze. The last six months where horse be twenty one in the morning like off four to one or three to one and looked like it should be twenty two one to me and you know there's going to happen sometimes but i do think it's important to refine that skill of you know learning where about a morning lines going to be you know we had david aragon on the show several times and david does a wonderful job in the morning line and he will heal readily admit sometimes when he misses align and how. He's confused by it doesn't get it it's cetera. And you know the even some of the best at the job like they're gonna swing and miss sometimes so and just as you are the horse player but if you look at race you know you see max field is four to five okay on the morning light. Is he going to be four to five in this race. Feel of nine. it's a great to. There's some decent horses in there but he you know he figures to be a strong favourite. I don't. I don't think it's a crazy line. I think it might mean. I feel like with you know he. He's a horse. Whose gotten beat recently right in the sandy handicap and he bounced right back and ran very well now she by. He was one of two that day and that was a six horse field. This is a nine horse field. So a it's harder to before two five or it's hard to super low price when there's more horses in just because of the spread but it all of course more so depends on the competition level. But if it's you know if it's the same level of talent underneath him in a nine horse field you would think that his odds would float up just a touched as opposed to six worst horsfield just because a few other competitors. But when i look at this race to i max field is four to five. Well we've talked with a lot of morning winemakers when we always make this point often. I even asked her any perry this today. Like is it easy to take your handicapper. Had off when you're putting your morning line hat on and vice versa. Because am i going to get four to five on max. Field isn't the same as do. I think max field at four to five is a good price bad price. Whatever right You know if. I'm all of a sudden really really interested in sprawl as a potential up center. And i'm hoping to get ten when i hope backfield is four to five. I don't know that he's four to five. It just doesn't seem like he probably is going to be pretty short because it seems like he's just a little ways ahead of everybody. It doesn't look like there's a number of horses in here like silver dust sprawl and warriors charge on his best day. Obviously things are going to be a little different for him than his last are. You would hope Southbound on his best day is can run ice race. But you know max fields just a little ways ahead of them. And so i suppose if he hadn't have run so big last time out ca- speed figure why is he was never a speed figure monster you know last fall and spring and and into into this spring you know. He was always kind of ninety six. He ran three straight ninety. Six ninety nine in his in the british maturity was big. But you know he just he really had made the jump up triple digits. In the last time he really jumped forward at one. Zero five and so I would guess the probably going to be money for her. I think the line is probably pretty good now. You know so now. I want to handicapper in a horse player. I want to kind of judge that on. Okay you know. What are his chances chances that he's gonna win this race. Sixty percent of the time could be. Maybe maybe he's play if that's the case so We'll talk more about that race coming up a little bit later on one. Talk about the ohio derby as well as this week premium jury. Because as i said. I've been traveling and i drove. I pre recorded the interview with leo. I got a lot of nice emails from you. Guys about leo and people using the new email address really appreciate it. Beam podcast. G mail dot com. Got a lot of emails from first time e-mailers which was which was great. I m yesterday. I was driving all day Went check them tonight. When i got to hit checked into my hotel and plug email so love seeing that left here from you guys and You know like. I said it it just makes my life a little bit easier to have show emails and personally mel separate so really appreciate everybody Making the switch over to beam podcast gmail.com. I had a couple of people that message the old account i just said hey just a reminder and so i know that's going to happen to don't don't don't sweat if you guys forget because you know especially those who email somewhat regularly i. I'm the same way. I have a certain address that use what people and you know. It just takes a while to get used to but we'll get used to it and we'll get it all squared away in the coming days and weeks and i really appreciate everybody who who wrote in and who of course listened to the show. I have so far. I've had a pretty unfettered trip. But that was that's with an asterisk So the first. My first day of driving. I drove a talent. Oregon is where. I stay when i'm down at grants pass. It's a little town right by ashland and medford and i go due east in decline with falls and through this little town called lake view. And then you're out in the middle of desert for probably three or four hours until you get to win a muck in nevada but the last little part in oregon has this road. It's called dougherty slope and it's like a it's some kind of volcanic valley that was created. And so you have this. Huge valley like this expansive miles miles miles miles wide valley and then the slope up to the top of the hill is like straight up and down like it's it's very little slope more so just straight fall and the road that goes up it. I remember it from last year. I was shocked like how scared i was last year. Because you get so high. It's like a thousand or two thousand feet and there's no. There's no like railing. there's no you know guardrail. And so last year there was no with cova. There was just less people out on the roads so they were literally didn't run anybody on the tire. Drive up the slope. This year there was like five cars coming down. I just kept thinking like if any of these cars veer into my lane. I have to the way. I'm dead. But i guess that's the case anytime you're driving right like somebody goes head on. You're probably in deep trouble. But anyway so i get to the top this year but i did what i figured out was. I held my hat up with my right hand. So i couldn't see the how deep the valley was below that helped like because then it just looked like i was driving up a road that was very winding and kind of scary but it scares me to make this drive every year for for the foreseeable future but yeah and so then. I'm driving through nevada. And i start hearing this noise like digital you know under the car and i'd had the same thing happened in virginia last year. My the coldest splash guard or a. There's another name for it. But essentially it's a big piece of metal that goes under your car that prevents water or debris from getting up in your engine last year minded like the back. Half of it dropped down so it was like dragging on the ground. I remember driving around virginia mike. What is that noise coming from my car but my car felt like it was running fine so finally took it in. And they're like yeah. It's this this piece of. I don't even know if it's metal or heavy plastic. That's metal so they you know took like an hour and they fixed they. I think they actually put a new one on and got it all set up and it was like sixty bucks so then as i'm driving in nevada yesterday i hear this noise again and i'd actually heard at the night before coming back from grants pass but it stopped like after a little while and says like oh okay. Maybe it's not that but then it started again and because the early parts in oregon you can't go more than about sixty. It seem like it only happens. When i get up to like seventy or seventy five so at an off fast if your tires go lower or what but So i start hearing it again. And i'm like no i pull over. I look under the car and sure enough. I can see it kinda hanging down and it's you know it's two inches off the ground or so but i guess when you said when you get going i guess you're you your car rides a little lower or maybe it's just because the middle of the road peaks or something but anyway so call and all these like calling his auto repair places in america. And i'm like look. I'm a traveler and coming through you know. Is this something you guys can fix it fix somewhat quickly in the first guy in after lunch about one thirty or two and this was like ten. Am sound like oh god. I'm going to wait around for three hours for this. So i call other guy at the auto parts store just to see if they have like the bolts are the pieces for this particular thing. And i'm telling them all these mechanics. The called three mechanics and then to couldn't even do it that day and then the other one was saying before hours and i and i realize it's not an on demand mechanic world so then i thought i go well. What about an oil change. Place at least diagnosis. Because they could see under the car they got the little underground things. So i call this place called pd q. In win amok nevada. And the guys at yeah bringing in you know. We'll take a look at it. I said is this something that has to be on the car. And he's like no but you wanted on there and you know especially if it's raining and stuff. It's like well. Summer's not gonna rain that much. So i'm thinking in my head like maybe have taken off and put it in the trunk and i'll get it fixed once kind of settled. Because i just with the long road trip like this. I don't wanna be fallen behind on hours right now. Know i got stuff to do. I've got a prep for the show. I got places to get there and the guy underneath looks at it. He's like oh it just slipped out of its bear and it literally the guy like had to reply to things and i was out of there in five minutes. Didn't charge me. They gave him twenty bucks instead of your lunch on me today man because i was expecting to wait for hours and hours and having to one hundred bucks into this thing and so Got right back on. The road drove all through northern nevada through elko nevada. Which is you know. They're pretty bare in towns and eventually got into utah at to drive through the salt flats which is really cool. If you've never been there it's There's a town in. Nevada right at the border of utah nevada. I think it's called. It's like west andover west west west over something like that but like all the vata border towns you know. There's a bunch casinos there because people from utah drive over and then gamble there so dry through that the salt flats are cool. It's just like it's so flat. It's like this real bright white kind of color. Just unique landscape drive through salt lake ended up going to evanston wyoming last night stayed for the night would be made do travel video. So i added that real quick and Looked at the races for today's show. Gary back up and adam today drove all through wyoming. Which i actually really enjoyed the wyoming stretch of the drive. I mean there's really no cities there's you know. There's rock springs and green river and laramie which are kind of you know. They're all like forty fifty thousand people towns. I think are thirty or forty thousand. And she's a lot of kind of long rolling hills and lots of cows and cow fences and stuff like that. But it's just it's it's it has its own brand of of pretty does wyoming at least other in northern wyoming of course with the tetons and everything's incredible but got into nebraska nebraska of courses very flat. And there's there's really not a lot to see pulled over and went to some. There was like a historical marker there of where there was some massacre at a battle one hundred fifty years ago and so i took a peek at that and got to a current here. And then tomorrow. We're gonna drive all the way down to memphis. But i think they actually enter for tampa's races next week. They enter today on friday. So i'm kind of nervously excited to see those. Like i feel like somebody told me i tweeted that. You're going to update your your twitter bio because i haven't put tampa bay announcer in it yet. I told him. I said i can tell them this. My thought on that was like i feel like i shouldn't put that until like i get my license. Get paperwork stuff done here. I guess like any job or never feels real tire. Kinda their right but Excited to see the entries. Come out like that will kind of make this all start to feel a little more a little more real and we'll be broadcasting of course from from tampa all next week and got a local guest set up a book some other guests on the show. Tomorrow as i'm making my way down to tennessee but Yeah it's it's been like. I said it's been a pretty good trip. Weather's been pleasant. It's got super hot. It's supposed to get like super hot. And oregon and washington like back home in seattle supposed to be one hundred this weekend at grants pass one hundred twelve on sunday or something crazy hundred nine or something. But it's been mostly. It was mostly cool today. I think here nebraska's like seventy seven kind of humid but not Not unbearable for sure been enjoying the trip and like i said it was nice to get to the hotel and see a lot of emails from you guys on folks who were right in to say hello. Give me yes of song recommendations which is always appreciated. Some folks had some restaurant recommendations and one guy sent me. Not be recommendation i wyoming. It's funny when you work in racing. Or i mean i guess if you're just involved with racing like people love to like send racing-related advice on stuff like i'll be honest like on road trips like i don't wanna go not make asian. Don't want to think about horse racing. If i don't have to so. I know racing more of a lifestyle than a job. But when i can sneak away for a little bit i kind of liked to but Anyway so that's just a quick update on what's going on with me and with the traveling stuff I know. I know a lot of you like to hear about and i'm sure some of you don't but will You know i remember a while back. Somebody left a comment on the like the i tunes. They're like the host just talks about himself. And i thought what the jason beam show that's gonna seep into it. You know i. I've always come from the old howard. Stern school not from dirty stuff but like his whole thing was just like he wants to be as open and honest about his life as possible. And that's kind of how. I go so a lot of what i'm doing or what i'm up to. It certainly does bleed over into the show. And i always get a lot of good feedback about it and so i just i'm gonna keep doing it and you know if if you get sick and you can tell me that and we'll move on other stuff because there's always other stuff to talk about like we'll talk some about the churchill card. There was a really good actually. I've talked about this before we do our commercial and get to the churchill. I got a really good Message from a listener. Seeing find here we go He actually tagged me inside the pylons in this but i thought it was just a really good question slash situation that i think comes up for For a lot of people. And so. I thought i so i answer because i was driving i saw it and after i saw it It already answered it and the good thing was for at least for me was i was gonna kinda give the same answer. So the the guy tweet and he says i played a big double four six at canterbury. I wonder if it would have been smarter to play a four six all pick three because i have no idea who wins the next race. Any questions on that. And i think this is something that when we have a lot of these betting conversations i think one of the the wanna say struggles but i think one of the questions a lot of people have and it's probably something that's really i actually thought about doing. I'm going to diverge this. Which i like to do. Is you guys know. I thought about doing an entire show some time where we discuss a card but not in a handicapping way. I used to do this with some of those like we would do. Saturday pre early in the pandemic. When there's just nothing else to do recorded extra saturday show But like i thought. I thought it could be interesting to be like okay. You know racist one. Two three four five you know race to. There's a horse. I really really like and you know would be kind of a centerpiece horse for me now. The horses three two one is this horse to key. In doubles is horse deke. And pick threes or horse kia. Pick five now. The answer could be. Yes all those right but i think i think it would be good to go through the process of looking at it thinking. Okay well who do. I like who i think is gonna win the first race okay Abc looked pretty tough. They look they all look very logical. And they look like the winners. Do i wanna play a daily double with three x combinations into my my single horse and the combinations are all the fe most the lowest price favorites. No of course not I'm most likely if my horses three two one. I'm most likely going to probably you know better or close to better. Just about the horse to win and i don't even have to win the first race You know 'cause are the doubles gonna pay twelve dollars for a dollar for each of those three horses. It might for one of them. It may for two of them but it probably won't for all three of 'em especially if they're abc depends on twelve horsfield. I might get close to twelve dollars on the favorite no and so you know but it also might be a situation where maybe in legs three four and five. I think there's you know. I i would go to deepen race three. And there's a couple of really big prices and maybe a little more spread with some big prices four so now the pick five becomes more interesting because yes. I don't really have a great opinion. The i and i wouldn't go three d. with abc. We've talked about the the three d. plague of how many watch when people post their tickets and their three deep and a leg so often it's one two three and they're basically just saying this leg is. I've just trying to get through it. I'm not trying to gain any equity. I'm not trying to you. Know do any kind of advancing. But what i'm saying is if if that's all i can see for the double and it's all i could see for the pick five to me. The five becomes more of an interesting play. Because at least i got some pinched later on that are going to hopefully counteract not getting any equity in that first leg up but again you know. I think it's really important to kind of way how you think your ticket setup is structure is versus what you can do. Here's something a lot of people don't think about. Let's say playing a pick four and i'm gonna go single single five by five for a dollar safe so it's twenty five bucks with twenty five dollars to win on either. The two singles pay more than the pick for. If it comes chock chock in my five who the five that i have in each of those next to lake are they. Abcd are they. C d f g h. They big prices. Are they a mix of it. You know what are they. Because if i have a twenty five dollar ticket now you know for me to get to three to one i got. It has to pay a hundred bucks to get to know eight to one that has to pay twenty-five and so on so you can. I just get eight to one. If i can make more two hundred twenty five bucks if i just single hit the daily double those two singles for twenty five bucks. These are the things you want to weigh. When you're deciding how to best take advantage of your opinion you know where what pools. What wager types. Maybe give you the best vantage so when this the guy tweet at us saying hey i played a big double canterbury four six. I'm looking through the race. Like i said i was driving so but there was a sequence of racist where it came in four six. It was ten to one shot jazzy times. And then he s the source star. The north was a huge favourite in the next lease was one to two. It was like a state auction race. So the double paid seventeen dollars and ten cents for the double which played a dollar to win ten to one. You get back eleven. Want to about what's fifteen sixteen v. Yeah so paid right about kind of what it should be paid a little more than the parlay and that's obviously you're only paying takeout wants versus the partly you're paying it twice but the the email questions questioned good one so his question was i played this big. Let's say he played it for ten dollars. So you know a big double can mean hundred for. Some people can meet five for others for math sake. Let's say he played a ten dollar straight four six double right so actually how. Many horses are in the next race eight okay. That'll that'll be alright so he so he's going to you. Know he'd he'd have made one hundred and seventy dollars on his ten dollar straight double. Nice little hit right. Everybody's happy with that. So his question was should. I have played the double or gone. Play the pick three with those same horses and gone all. Because i have no idea who wins in the next race and so that question first of all you guys a lot of you know my opinion on the all button and kind of you know. I'm not a big fan of it. So he saying he has no idea who wins an x ray so i can interpret that one of a few ways one. He just has no opinion or two. He thinks it's maybe a wide open race and every horse can win it. So if you think every horse can win it you certainly don't want to lower priced horses right because now you're going you're using eight units so let's say instead of playing the ten dollars straight double. Let's just say he was gonna play a dollar pick three single single also it would have been eight dollar ticket You know is. He had a seventy dollars worth of daily double equity coming in. How many of these horses of the eight would yield a one dollar. Pick three payoff. That pays more than one hundred and seventy dollars. Obviously it'd be a hundred and fifty something because he's playing it for eight dollars of ten but you get what i'm saying. Ten to one into a one to two who of course everybody's going to be singling in the pick three. It certainly not going to to the favorite Who's four to five and in fact the favorite did win the pick three paid twenty dollars for fifty cents so he would have got back forty dollars if he played one dollar. Pick three single single. All as opposed to the hundred seventy if he just played the double with his strong opinions right. But that's the favorite one in the favorite by the way the four to five phase probably win that race half the time so half the time he's going to be not only giving up one hundred and thirty dollars profit one hundred twenty dollars a profit Extra that he could have won. just hammering. the double you know he's gonna do. He's gonna happen most of the time now. The second third choices ran second third. And i don't have the will pays in front of me. But if i had to guess probably paid fifty sixty bucks for fifty cents so even if those three horses who are the other three complete logical the next horse after that's twelve to one. If any of those three win he still making less than two hundred seventy. He would have made just hammering the double for ten dollars so really the only horses that would have made this a profitable venture over the profitable venture. He that he had with. The double are the ones that are twelve to one. Thirty four to one eight hundred four hundred fifty nine one. How often are those horses winning that race. Well you know they will sometimes and if it's and when he. He made the comment about. I don't know who wins this race. You know if you legitimately thought those horses. That's a chance like merit with with playing a pick three to those horses but if it was just a matter of like you know. Hey i just don't have a strong opinion here. I'm just going to go all in and you look at the form. i mean. obviously horses thirty four to one eighty four to one thousand five to one shots. Don't win every thirty fifth race. In general you're talking about. He's gonna probably have thirty to forty times where he's gonna lose money on this before he gets the one that makes money and because of the one to two shot in the middle even the eighty to one shot. It might not pay more than five or six hundred. It's not gonna be enough to cover the significant difference in profit that he would have made with the double over the long haul the one time that eighty four to one shot jumps in there and wins Especially if you're using eight or ten minutes to get there you know if you're going three or four deep and you're just using those prices you're now saying you don't like any other favorites but also you know you're when you hit you're going to really get paid but is that gonna hit enough to to be profitable and so when you're when you when you use the all and use these big spread legs. Of course you know. You're hoping that the the big bomber comes in but you know if your opinion is good especially with a ten to one shot single. Now you know the other question is okay. Well what would you have gotten. You know if you just bet ten bucks to win the ten. Well he'd gotten Twenty two dollars times five. So you've got one hundred and ten dollars so by knowing that he liked the six horse in the double even though it was a big favourite You know he ended up getting back. One hundred seventy one dollars instead of one hundred ten that he would've gotten if he just spent the worst to win And so to me the double is is the right move in the spot though like. I said really big odds on favorites like that. Sometimes they don't become the right play just because everybody's going that way and so. That's what i mean in the pick. Three if he's going to go eight units deep for a dollar. I mean eight eight combinations. I should say for for for a one dollar minimum more. I know the minimums fifty cents He's using a fair number of combinations and one of the legs. He has the horse that everybody has and four of his eight runners last leg. You know most people have even though he got some good separation in the first-leg But when you have that really huge favourite in the middle leg of a pick three often it's going to be and by the way the first race where he got the ten to one. There wasn't a clear favourite. There was two two to one shots to six to one shots to nine to one ten to one in a couple of twenty two to once so the way the sequence lined up with two odds on horses coming up after it a lot of people were going to be going spread single single or spread single to or spread to single or something like that. That's the way you talk about when we talk about reading sequence some of that is just the odd lots like you know as we say not every ten to one shot plays like a the same attend to one shot in that auction race. Were starved and one at one to to You know there was a four to one who is kind of logical second choice. And if that horse wins obviously everything jumps up payout but it might not be as crazy as you think but if a ten to one wins or one of the twenty two one shots wins it. It becomes unless of course four to five wins than maybe isn't as big but i hope all that make sense. I really do but i just find it so interesting to talk about the idea of kind of mapping out sequences and you know how to best take advantage of your opinion because i think it's such a crucial part to this game that's just for so long not been talked about and you know you're you have this ten dollars and you have these opinions. How do you best maximize now. Obviously your best maximization is going to be. You know pounding it and being the most narrow to that opinion. But that's not always feasible. You're not always going to be just you know knowing it's gonna come in ten to one eight two one four to one and just having being there is going to be spreading but you want it to be strategic spreading and you want it when you're spreading no matter how it comes in that it's going to justify the spread in that race you know if you're going eight deep and you get a four to five shot there's no justification for your spread right because like i said an example half of the horses four of the eight that he might have used that last leg we're gonna cause him to make less money than if you just hand embroidered the double now. A lotta people's come back to that is but what if the long shot wins. That's true in a very singular nonsensical sense like yes. What if what if. I go in the lottery next week you know. What if a supermodel comes up to me and says you know jason smart handsome guide to go on a date with you. That could happen. Probably not very likely but it could now. I know a thirty two one shot. A horse race is not completely out of line but you are. You can't be banking your bets. Long-term on hoping really outrageous results happen and when they happened that you have right and that you're right. That's a bad way to play this game long term. It's bad way to play short-term Hoping for chaos is is way different than betting for a chaotic result in actually taking a little bit of a stab their you know. Those are two different things We had j. Let's on the show to preview this this card and i it was nice to see king of miami was his longshot. Alternative did get the win. Fifteen one in the mystic lake derby teed. Td dance had not the greatest of trips three to five snuck into the exact. But the horse that i liked in the race before touch revenge at denied the two ended up running. Thirty get randomest in cinco starts out and went wire-to-wire i knew parlor was a bad favorite though knew that right but then it came second choice third choice for choice and the try for dollar one hundred twelve. That's not too bad. I guess for second choice. Third choice for choice in nine. Horsfield but good andrzej for for tablet king of miami. That was a good pick. I'm trying to remember who i who was the horse that i said i thought had a good chance in there. I don't even remember. It's been a long couple of days my brains. A little bit fried. Why don't we take a quick little break. Take just a little too commercial break. We'll talk a little bit about churchill's card and also this'll down and all that kind of stuff like i was listening. I'm just gonna go out screws shooting commercials go to twin spires twin spires though the best we love when i was driving i was listening to the nhl radio lowrider. You guys know. I follow the hockey pretty close and actually soon as i finish. The podcast human watched the game. Six for vegas montreal. But i listened at various points in my drive to the radio. And they're kind of about an hour to and they all they all go through them and you know like they all literally talk about the same four five topics now. I know right now the playoffs. There's only two series going on and the playoffs and they're going to cover it like talk about what the kentucky derby like you know everybody's talking about the derby the week of the derby. Everyone talking about the breeders kept the weakest breeders cup. But when i think about doing these weekend preview shows a part of me wants to i. I liked to do them just because i like to follow the big races and also be. I wanna make you guys aware of just kind of what's going on this weekend. A lot of you guys are racing fans. But you're not like checking the entries every day and you know i wanna bring detention and promote. What's coming up. But i think most every podcast is probably doing a preview of this race or a preview of that race. Like i would much rather talk about the things we just talked about with with canterbury and you know structure and and all that kind of stuff. Then i think just kind of handicap and the racist. I i definitely want to discuss the racism preview and recap them because that's part of what the sport is. But i like hearing from you guys. We had an email from one of our email. Sean who talked about the interview with leo. He was asking. You know he had a good question about How people choose singles. And i told you i'll talk about that more maybe next week but i think for a great majority of people. Their single is the horse. They think can has the most chance to win. It's not there may be best contrarian opinion it's maybe not the best value horse. It's just who they think can win. The most. You know a lot of people are going to single max field and that's fine especially you know depending on what your opinions are in the other races but there's a lot of people that are gonna single max because he looks like the most likely winner in that sequence and i would argue that you know. Sometimes a single is more about the situation than the horse is weird as that might sound You might have a sequence where you have maybe a couple of favorites and races nine and ten race. Eight looks wide opened. You like the three horse. Who's the five to two morning line favorite. He's probably gonna go off around that price but it's a race where you could see seven or eight horses winning but from your ticket standpoint. It might just be better to single there because everybody else's spreading so even the eight two ones and ten to one's aren't gonna play all that huge because everybody's going four five six seven deep but you make a decision to go against the grain and even though you're seeing on the favorite and most of people are going to have that horse they're going to use so many more combinations to get to that horse whereas now you've gone narrow and now you have they you can open things up and you don't like the horses that they're all single to later on so it almost doesn't matter that they got through that leg with the five the two shot because there's no way for your ticket to hit and for them to hit what i'm saying because you know para mutual we wanna be right when everybody else is wrong and so i want to expand more on that idea. Maybe next week talking about you know when do you single wide you single and you know if it's forty five shot and you think the horse is gonna win this race like of the time. It's not bad single. Afford a five shut. It depends what else you do on. The ticket are there. Are you generating value in other ways but a single on a four to five still moves you forward from an equity standpoint. You got the right horse for the minimum but you also want to think about. Where's everybody else singling. And if they're all singling here you know because the thing is whenever there's a big odds-on favourite everybody's everybody's singling that horse right but they're also thinking in their head. Okay now how do i get value down the street and the other legs. Most of it's gonna become from spreading and hoping they lucky. So how are you gonna be on the same singles everybody. And how are you going to differentiate your ticket because believe me playing paint playing thirty six dollar tickets to make one hundred twenty five or one hundred and fifty bucks just a road misery. Because it's you know it's just. I see so often on twitter. These guys will post their. Oh my pick four for one hundred ten dollars hundred twenty dollars and it's like yeah. Okay they want but like they have to be right. Every third day i would've picked for. That's hard to do anyways. I've i'm probably rambling a little bit. But let's Take a quick time out. We come back. We'll talk a little stephen foster card and little ohio derby. It's the jason porsche racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires the jason beam worst racing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation join host jason as he discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every monday through friday. The show can be found at twin spires dot com or on itunes stitcher or wherever. You get your podcast from the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires not only offers the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device but we also have great offers for our players visit twin spires dot com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick four bonuses to win. Sheri- thoroughbred to harness we have offers and promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers. To find out what offers are available to you all right back here on the jason being horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires and a look at the stephen foster stakes race. Eleven comes up at about six o'clock eastern three o'clock pacific. I'm in central time right now. I tweeted yesterday. This is the most confusing time zone. I i've only lived in the west coast and east coast. Time is in louisiana for three months. But for the most part my long term residencies ve always been wester east. And it's just so easy. 'cause it's always plus three or minus three but now you're thrown in twos and ones and forget about. I'm i'm and like i mean i don't even know what time it is. Why don't even know data's near zona right now could be anytime any day but it goes off at six eastern. I'll be in eastern time saturday. So that'll give me a. They'll give me back square. But anyways the stephen foster. Of course as i said max fuel the favourite i. I was really excited. When i saw the plot position for sprawl who ran a pretty good race last time got beat by mighty hard. It was kind of that. Put like night. Ops to me is a little booth hanger. And i know that sprawl didn't have the best start anew. He wants to be a little bit closer up. But warriors charges in here too i think or warriors charges spot on the plot. Maybe got backed up a little bit because the bat start last time So i don't know like i wanna like sprawl. Strictly based on plot and below his race to back was big. But it was in the slop and it was against lesser class and so I'm really torn on kind of how to approach that Silver dust in here. The all was very cool. Silver dust and coming off a win. The bonaly didn't he scratched though in another race at the gate. Recently was that the was at the alysheba and he scratched out. Last time i forget necker island shows up here for sti- he won last time out for chris. Barton chris. harman's barnes going credible guns. This meet thirteen for thirty four. And i think mitchell merle's been one of the ones they've been hooking up with so bit mitch get rich. Ed likes to say necker island shown up in this race Chess chief was off the pace. Victor to back in the new orleans I always thought he was a horse. That maybe going to be good going close up on the front end. Maybe the inside post forces his hand a little bit but like i said with warriors charging there and was sprawl with some speed. I feel like and max field. You know he's not no slouch and visit on. The outside you know has some early pace so I'm a little perplexed by this race just as a whole it wasn't one that i had a real strong opinion on Other than intrigued by sprawl the The wise dan however some like it hot brown is a horse that i have way underestimated. I think as a general rule and he kind of had a perfect trip last time in the The dinner party stakes. I know he. He's not a need the lead type but this race. I mean who is the who's going to be up there with him other than maybe the eight. 'cause like there's no there's no like real true speed horse In love on the outside did was forwardly placed last time out but prior to that really never had been and so. I wonder if with ten post. They're going to try to send that one because like on paper to me like it kind of looks like the three in the ater like default speed and the optics plots says that too. So i was thinking kentucky was a little bit of a logical option as a a closer. I know a spooky channel had a bad trip last time. Maybe he's one that can improve a little bit. I just think sometimes these races that don't have a lot of pace on paper. Sometimes they play out where they actually get some pace because you know the writers are like well heck nobody else is gonna go. We may as welcome all right. The bashford manor stakes for the two year olds seen two year old stakes. But i just assume at this point with two year old stakes delight steve asmussen going to have some maiden that just crushed everybody in its debut and i know he has that earlier on in the car. He's got one here. That red run. Who was a pretty nice maiden winner Was a short price that day. He's also got the one down toward the inside but that horse has been second all three times but that does not mean. Can you can't win these two year old steaks. We see maidens win these two year old steaks all the time even big graded two year old stakes. Because there's just so much movement and quality elevation of talent that happens elevation of talent. We you know what. I mean improvement. That's there's a lot of improvement that happens quickly with these type of With two year olds. And it's just it's not out of the question but everything you see. Is you see so many of these horses right. They just blitzed maidens their first. Start out they go gate to wire. There's three four five like there's five of those horses that just went wire-to-wire or like right on the lead and pulled away in their debuts. And so i stink at these kind of racist because it's just like you're trying to project so much. My general opinion is just trying to beat the favorites. Just because so many of the horses are kind of improving now in the debutante. Aspirin has wicked halo. Put up a monster number in the debut at lonestar They made four to one on the morning. Line is plenty for aspen. Also four to one Who they give all the money to. I looked surly. Oh the horse. The norm gase horse norms. Actually got a good one in the bashford manor any has On the ones and twos here in the The debutante so hoping for big weekend for norm he's had a very very good churchill meet himself and Have on the twos. Was you know kind of stayed out. And clear and was just much the best in and beat Tisza plenty of who came back to win in. Its next starts so Helium tampa bay. Derby-winner comes back in the war. Chance stakes of all things You know kinda took some money last time out in the matt winn stakes against folsom and folsom was pretty good. Obeys was okay and helium was kind of okay. Went to the lead is opposed to ran from off the pace Gets tyler gaff leone. They make a rider. Change this time for the war. Chance excited to see what healing i have to root for the tampa bay derby winner now. So it's like in my contract. I got to do it so looking forward to the the churchill to make card though just a regular afternoon car but long one and so good races on their over at this will down. I looked at the ohio derby. But the lady jacqueline before it is kinda the one i'm most excited for heraldic shows up in the lady jacqueline and does coming off a little bit of a disappointing effort last time now i know spices nice as cross entered at churchill and the floor to right. I forgot talk about fluidly fluidly. It's like lotrowska in bhutan. They're going to be big big favorites. And i didn't have any real control but i know spices is cross entered in that race or not sure where they're going with her. I haven't been on the road. I didn't get to do my usual deep dive of nusa. We'll see what about you know. Some big names ozzy going to this'll for affiliate race. That's not a graded stakes race. The ohio derby great steaks rates rate. Three for half a million dollars. Promise keeper coming off that. Peter pan win to me. Looks like it's probably going to be the favourite deservedly. So i mean i know keep me in mind is low on the morning line and ochieng. Fury had some buzz going into the derby. People were excited about him. He'll take a little bit of action but oh the reds forget about the reds reds was in the the pine ridge a but to keep in mind like he's really just never done anything to warrant being a low price at this point right i mean i know he was running against better horses and he kinda made a little bit of a move in the derby but didn't make any move in the preakness and i know this isn't the derby or the preakness but like even before that you know. He was getting thumped by good horses. But i i don't know i guess i i'm seeing a horses just one career race and I don't want to be going with short prices on those type horses so But should be fun to watch. The thistledown was buddies with matt hook for matty and the folks up big teeth. This'll damn we're gonna close out this station to the program. We'll be back on monday. We'll have shows all next week down from beautiful tampa florida and again. If you wanna email beam podcast gmail.com the best way to get a hold of me. Thank you so much for listening for emailing inter-acting and for just being you we'll see you back on monday.

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - December 18th 2020

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Weekend Stakes Preview Presented by NYRA Bets - December 18th 2020

"Welcome to the weekend. Stakes preview on the horse racing radio network presented by naira vets and gouverneur morris now moving up on the outside from fourth to third the second by a head. And now alongside the leader gouverneur morris enforceable and max field both moving behind that at quarter pole gouverneur. Morris has taken the lead from american butterfly. Here's max field. Moving up on the outside to challenge gouverneur morris off the far turn and max 'field strides forward and takes the lead by a length and a half to likes the final furlong guvener. Moore's second enforceable third. the rest are far back. max 'field off. Breathtaking run at the top with a stretch hicks clear by six max field to win the klaiver greeters already for jose ortiz. Now here's anthony. Stabile and bobby newman. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the weekend stakes preview presented by narrow bats here on the horse racing radio network on the big aunt needs to be on new york. Bobby newman's down in south florida producer. They'll pena back in our lexington kentucky broadcast studios the final weekend stakes preview of twenty twenty and we have managed to navigate our way through a year that is one we all never forgotten. I for one. I'm kind of surprised we. We got as much racing done as we did as i welcome in my cost bobby new and happy friday evening. My friend and can't believe we got just this one weekend stakes review left in twenty twenty. It's been a very strange. It's been a fun year in some ways. Obviously it's been a tough year in many many ways but on the racing front I can say very happy that we got racing every week here on the network and on a on a selfish note we got to pay attention to some tracks that we don't normally look at that closely. We don't look at fonterra park on a regular basis. We don't look at will. Rogers downs on a regular basis. Very happy to get to cover racing from both of those venues throughout the earlier. Part of twenty twenty. Yeah thanks to all thanks to everyone who got a horse ready to go over. Who cinch the saddle. Who rode who turn the lights on in. The building kept the lights on in the buildings. A great testament to our sport was everybody just pitching in and piecing this together. I'll say it again. We had a thoroughbred racing card each and every day of twenty twenty in the united states. And that's just amazing amazing thing. Considering everything else was going on in the country and in the world will have one more. It'll be a little bit of a different one as well. Usually we have racist saturday and sunday. We're gonna have some friday night races while the weekends here at six o'clock on friday. It's quitting time so we got some steaks action from remington. To come your way tonight and then tomorrow we'll hit act gulfstream fairgrounds and los alamos. You wanna play. Well play any track from any place any anytime over at bats dot com head on over to open an account the promo codes. Hr and twenty. They will deposit match up to two hundred dollars just but four hundred in the first two weeks and they'll put two hundred back in los alfio thirty. We're gonna cover it in a little while. That's the promo tomorrow. So but twenty five dollars to win on one horse in net loss on municipality on the narrow is app only if you take it hits you can run up to an additional twenty bucks over the narrow vets dot com for more detailed. This is a simple one. Twenty dollar win-bonus twenty five to win on horse and you'll get up to twenty dollars back and we'll be in your account by monday Even do all right so tonight the trapeze goes off right around right around. Ten o'clock central time splits it at eleven o'clock here on the east coast so few minutes before eleven o'clock flat mile for the phillies phillies Field of eleven set to go to post here. You're going to see some. You know some some some big enough names. Of course the asthma sources. they're brad cox in with peak shipped. One in you're gonna see these in both of the two year old races that we're going to cover a little bit of a couple of wide open racist started with this trapeze for the phillies. Bobby and this is a race. That looks like it's just loaded with early speed number one miss twenty seven. Tis splendid news. Eight fast and fine worker nine credit enhancement all front running types. That are a few others and here that are more forwardly placed the not and i just don't see how it doesn't play right into the hands of the kinney mcpeek trained olivia of the desert. She's coming off a win. In a nice allowance race at churchill downs going one turn mile last time out but she's running around two turns already in her career in fact she ran behind simply ravishing in the alps. Abidi's acumen three starts ago. Didn't have much luck against simply ravishing in crazy beautiful and those good phillies did not much luck against coach in the rags to riches or next starred but woke up with a big effort last time out and i just think she's going to get the same type of trip tonight or there's plenty of pace up front. She sits about four five links out of it. David cabrera new rider aboard this evening. He wins a lot of races in the midwest. And i think he's gonna guy to libya of the desert back to her second straight win. She can certainly when they have these. They have the the pick fours and fives. The pick. five begins in the pick four rather begins in the race prior to the trapeze in the uc. There's an all stakes. Pick four. And i'm gonna use three horses in i love. I love playing this. Pick this pick for every. I'm the us three horses. I'm using bobby's topical of the of the desert and i'm going to use the to steve asks runners. The five silver devil broke her maiden locally going flat mile which do we elliott aboard by three quarters of a length But the ones that we is going to ride is the number ten simply sovereign who broke her maiden temper at remington by daylight daughter from american foul came back in a mile race and was the best she was going to win just got bothered. They rightfully took a winter down. Put her up. And that was going the mile now she kinda regressed a little bit from the sprint figure to that figure last time outgoing long but i just think she may have needed the race so she had the two month break. She comes back less than a month. I like simply sovereign the best again. I'm using her with silver devil. And livy of the desert desert race eleven goes as the trapeze. The colts and geldings going robinson sprint board mile. There are kentucky derby points on the line and now there's something interesting about these not. All of these points will be awarded because of lasix which i found out. And you could. If you're interested in reading more about it you can go find it over blood or whatever other outlet you us get your information another field of eleven here. Another flat mile Another very very interesting. Heat here Got asmussen with cowen. Who most recently was second in the breeders cup juvenile turf sprint. He burke leslie ward real kick in company at i. Six the blinkers come off the source goals from a trio of turf races. He was third in the breeze. Juvenile turf to the dirt. His half sister bianchi's earned over a half a million dollars on the dirt. He's it's it's it's an interesting bunch of of juveniles and i think what you're referring to as far as not all the derby points being handed out a since the kentucky derby is run without lasix only horses in stake races getting points that race without lasix are eligible for the points in my right on that i believe so. Yeah okay so if that's true then only two of the eleven runners entered tonight in the springboard mile or actually a eligible for those kentucky. Derby points number four gushing. Oil is eligible number eight. Cowan for steve asmussen. All the other runners in the race are running with lasix this evening. So they're not eligible for the points. Very much respect outdoor for wesley ward. Who comes out of breeders cup juvenile turf race at keeneland in his last start. All three of his starts are on the turf but he's worked very well on the main track so i. I don't think you'll have any problem. But i think number ten joe frazier for brad cox is the horse to beat in. This spot broke his maiden very impressively on the main track keelan in his debut then was only three to one trying winners in his next start. He caught a sloppy track. Going a and a sixteenth churchill made the lead ended up fading to third beaten about six lengths. that day. He didn't have lasix that day. He is getting lasix tonight so we can assume that he probably bled in that last race. I think he'll run better this evening. Joe frazier five to one on the morning line to improve off that churchill effort and win the springboard mile i don't ordinarily take courses on the stretch out in these races senior booth cadore from the rail ten to one top fincher. This horse flew home last time at seven two when he shipped over from zia park ventures home base to run at remington. He rolled home though in five and a half. Oh look at that time. Three and three. That's a sharp time anywhere but really place like remington park. I think this sources Is very dangerous tonight. The respect the to number one dude Perfect three three. They've all come against. Oak breads but source has plenty of experience at the track. His race around two turns was sensationally. Won by six lengths in the stretch out race. He certainly always. I'd wanna use. I think you need to use the two favorites. I think you need to use cowan. And i think he needs to us out the door. I thought about joe frazier a little bit first time late. Six brad cox is a big move. He doesn't he doesn't do often. There's all of his sources usually debut lasix or wrong lasix. Big number for him. So i i don't want to do but i gotta use five and here. I'm news the one to eight nine and ten. I make the number one senior boost. Cadore the top pick tonight in race twelve the remington springboard mile. We've got one at accurate for this weekend tomorrow. The queen's county nine furlongs hundred thousand on the line that goes race nine a ten race card field of seven in here. They're going to bet two of them about the four backside in the mood. Who got the money. When he was reclaimed. Really claiming reclaim them to back out the money. Last time he beat musical heart that day. Kinda random down. Musical hot was claimed out of that race by actress. These to figure that renew their rivalry and they figure to be The two most heavily bet horses in the race and they both have a big big in the queen's county but another horse that has a shot. I'm gonna put on top is number six four worn for your saint louis and eric can sell. I think forewarned unfortunately for him has been very ambitiously placed in much of his career in running against horses. That egypt has no chance of beating. You seahorses like maximum security spun to code of honor. Sleepy is todd. harper's. I ride owen. Dale in his past performances. Those are all really top of the heap handicap horses. and forewarned. Just simply isn't quite as good as those sources But when he doesn't run against those kind of runners he runs very very well and at eight to one on the morning line. I think his good races are every bit as good as those back side of the moon or musical heart. So i'm gonna put four warned on top for an upset in the queen's county. I couldn't get past the two favorites. Who good on you for looking for a little bit of a different play. I just musical heart. And the favorite i do think backside of them will be the favourite when all centered i musical heart a little more tactical speed and that was enough for me. I thought it was the two favorites on plan. Pick pick them just using the to try to move the changes up. He's rebounds he would say. I will take musical heart over back side of the moon race number nine tomorrow at the big eggos. As the queen's county will take offers break we'll come back with some gulfstream and los al action over the blood horse news. Update you're listening to the weekend stakes preview presented by nyerere bats here on hr in that and watch the races worldwide from the palm of your hand with nyra bets. Sign up for nyra bets today and take advantage of from your perks with the best. 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Welcome back to we against our bets. Here on the horse racing radio network. Big in bobby. Newman taking you through a fantastic friday evening before we get back into the states action. It's time now for the blood horse news update and a look at the top headlines from dot com saratoga derby big mover nude rated stakes listening its first year eligibility to receive a grade saratoga derby invitational stakes will make a splash as a top level race. In twenty twenty one saratoga w tara racecourse is alone race to be upgraded to grade one status in the listening braided enlisted stakes racist for twenty twenty one in the united states unveiled december. Eighteenth by the american graded stakes committee of the thoroughbred owners and breeders association saratoga w was added to the new york racing association schedule in two thousand nineteen as the middle leg of the associations. Turf trinity racing on the grass typically. We'll be bookended by a pair of races at beaumont park the belmont. Derby invitationals stakes. Great one and the jockey club derby that wraps up this evening edition of the blowers news. Update the december nineteenth and twenty sixth one hundred and eighty six page issue of blood wars features the urine review look at the news racing and milestones for twenty twenty also included twenty twenty three auction digest as well download a copy of the issue now from the blood horse magazine via the app store or google play. Don't miss their special going on now. It includes a free twenty twenty one blood horse calendar go to lawyers dot com backslash winter this year's winner of that saratoga derby invitational domestic spending went on to win grade one in the hollywood derby to wrap up the year It's been a good race Frodebu on the inaugural running last year and twenty thousand nine and it's only read one. Nothing was downgraded. So that's a good thing. I would have been harsh in a year like this thing was downgraded from one to two. I think there were other ones. That were downgraded But it was just a matter of time for the saratoga derby invitatinal. The fields are so good and and they're big fields. it was. It was more matter when not if the oaks invitational was upgraded to a grade. Three so for those of you don't know a race needs to be run twice before can be given a grade and the oaks given a great three. The derby given a great one up at the old spa is ten inches of snow on the ground. And you look outside. And you see all that snow and it's thirty degrees it's nice to think about saratoga. Let me tell you so It warms the cockles as they would say to think about the old spa day like today. It's plenty warm. then gulfstream. Sure they'll run. A couple of saturday stakes borges goes as race nine mile and three sixteenths for the phillies in mass Mile and three sixteenths at gulfstream is still just to turn starts at the top of the stretch. They go past the wire around Interesting bunch of fillies and mares in here just to feel the nine. There were all entered for the turf chad brown. Chad's birthday today. Happy birthday chat. He has great island with tyler. Gasoline phillies to race win. Streak in fact. The only time she got beat was in her october. Nineteenth october of nineteen debut behind Eventual graded stakes. When i mean mary she's one two a row. One a church on september. One keelan back in october. She's making her greatest she's making her stakes debut Always shopping going back to the turf after just missing in the mile and a half dowager keeneland last time out there. The two phillies disfigure to take the bulk of the money with number two traipsing. Who just missed in that read three long last time. Yeah and the top two. you mentioned. We'll probably have to pass traipsing who i don't think it's quite as fast mean. Quite as talented overall as island are always shopping. I put great island on top for a couple of reasons one I think she's going to appreciate the mile and three sixteenths distance more than maybe always shopping. And i know that's hard to you know it's tough to figure being that always shopping ram so well in the mile and a half grade three dowager in her last but that i just like to kick that great islanders been showing at a mile and a sixteenth. I think that the more distant she gets the better. She's going to be and to me. It looked like tyler. Gasoline probably had his choice between the two phillies. He's road both of them last time now. He's won twice on great island and Always shopping time he wrote or was that second place. Finish in the dowager offer. Did this choice between the two but all things being equal. I would use both of them in my horizontal but i lean toward great island is the one i would press. Yeah i said it any better. I'm with you. I like great islands turned a foot. I think always shopping's race. Last time was a function of how slow they went I bet on blame. Debbie blamed debbie goes to the front and was able to just fifty three and three one twenty and change for the three quarters and always shopping was just on our hip the entire way. They hooked Always shopping just could not get by blamed. Debbie so now you know the cutback. They went so slow with two months ago. I thought great island A little more of a potent punch. She's well she's one two in a row for chad and leone. I went with great island race. Number nine goes as the via borges. The tenth is the great three. Mr prospect seven. Furlongs out of the chute at gulfstream. Interesting race here fulfill the twelve mind control multiple grade one winners outside. He ran away from the rain in the cigar mile. Like forensic fire did here. It is todd. We talked about on race day earlier this week. He shows up off his win. The lafayette on the breeders cup undercard diamond oops finished sixth in the breeder's cup sprint. He won the greater phoenix. To starts back the return again of haikal who missed some time from a third place with memorial finish twenty nineteen return a couple mile efforts he cuts back to a sprint. The also makes his first start for trainer. Todd pletcher care. Mclaughlin used to train the source cod has them. Now of course with karen retiring his jockey lease is gonna ride. Haikal little something for everyone in this mr prospect. It's really a fantastic race and there are so many different ways you can go. You mentioned several horses that ran in the breeder's cup sprint a forensic fire diamond loops in their lasting legacy down along the inside they all have shots slee is todd. He just runs well everywhere. He runs almost every time he goes to the races. It's a it's a wide open affair. i don't mind controls can do. He has races in his past performances. That would beat this field also as races recently. That looked like they'd run last in this field so i don't know what kind of race we're going to get out of him. I'm very interested in seeing what haikal does. And i'm gonna put him on top and take nothing away from karen mclaughlin because i love betting on horses the kirin trained but it just seems like everything that moves to the todd pletcher barn for the first time seems to run better than they had been in their previous starts. Haikal has nine works showing at palm beach downs since moving to toddstarnes so they have been very patiently waiting. There was never a doubt that they were going to be running at gulfstream and probably pointing for this race otherwise this horse would have been up in new york and looking at something at the end of belmont or the being in a back with dr. Maybe something over at keeneland churchill. So i think they've had this race in mind all along sources looks like he's working very well at palm beach. Towns attracted does not yield a lot of very quick times in the morning. I think we're going to see the best effort that we've seen out of high cal only negative that i have. It's not the fact that he hasn't running awhile. It's the fact that he comes from so far out of it. And i'm not convinced there's going to be a rocket ship pace in front of him. So lewis i may have to work a little magic and getting haikal into the race a little earlier than what he has been in the past. Yeah and that's why. I like my boyfriend's a fire. I don't see none of pace in here and more often than not when those when these sprints develop that way. He's the one that takes advantage because he has enough tactical speed to lay up close and not have as data deficit to make up. And i quite frankly it's really. I'm not a math math guy when it comes racing. This was all about the math. They're not going to go fast. he's not going to be far from it. He's potent. He gets around not junior rhythm in one on him a bunch of times. I just think forensic fire this race. The way it's supposed to unfold. Plays right into his hands mazing. He's never run at gulfstream park. Of course infamously trained by jason service and for the first twenty four starts of his career. He never run at gulfstream park. I found that. Very very odd selfishly. I was hoping he would defend his gravesend. They got the call them in the gravesend last year. And it's it's it's a couple of weeks who knows maybe they'll run back But i like free fire. I just the he lays up off the spin speed looks a little on the cheap side. Cool arrow up some speed wind of change You know these horses that that that appear to be overmatched in here Horse like ebben. Maybe even zenden. I thought i those frenzy. I sleep the ice. Todd could win you know. Cpi todd has the one race at seven. Furlongs it was last time when he got a wicked pace close into other otherwise he doesn't have to be too far off it. I thought they would have to frenzy. Firi- lee is taught for me race. Number ten goes as degrade three. Mr prospect will wrap this segment with the los alamos futurity speaking of downgrade graces with a great to for a few years now two hundred thousand online at all mile and a six team field of six. It's a field of six and it brings back the horses. Who were the the major players in the grade three. Bob hope at seven furlongs at del mar red flag ran away with that race. That day for john sheriff's victory spinoza pressing the pace and drawing out to win by over seven lengths. In to be honest. I think that the race that red flag ran in the bob. Hope is probably as good or better than any southern cali- california two year old has run this year. That race points amount. Is i think the top two year old in southern california at least at that point and he beats spielberg. Who is going to have to face again tomorrow and spielberg was three to five day. Now there have been things written. That spielberg was coming back on. Short rest was just two weeks after his previous. Try and breaking news. maiden and. in. Retrospect you know bob baffert says that you know maybe brought back to fast easy to say now because there's always excuses after the races. I do know this if red flag runs anywhere the same kind of race tomorrow that he did last time out. The others have zero chance of beating him zero. He's just way way too fast for the field now. That was by far the best race of his career. He's not really bread to go to turns being by tamra coups out of a stormy atlantic mayor but trainer john. Sheriff seems to think that the extra distance won't hurt him at all. It's just more of getting around. The tight turns at los alamos for the first time but he's even money on the morning line. I'm not going to get creative here. I think he's just better than them. He could win. I don't know if. I want even money on the to pour for richard mandella. Mike smith makes his return to the saddle after. Its covid positive. Test source sprinted twice on the dirt. Del mar went long at santa anita and dumber on the turf. She's gonna try them along on the dirt. One time i just wanted a little bit of a different look to the favorite. I put petroleo on top. A red flag could win. Spill could win. I'll take patrizio to take the great to los alamitos thirty all right. We'll take a break. We're halfway home when we come back. It's all fairgrounds six saturday stakes down the by you will cover them all. You're listening to the weekend stakes presented by naira. Beck's here on. Hr end the races worldwide. From the palm of your hand with nyra bets. Sign up for nairobi. Today and take advantage of from your perks with the best. Live racing minster replays in hd exclusive promotions and earn points on every bet. 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But in the final prolong joys rocket opening up on farsighted by two and a half lengths joys rocket passed the sixteenth pole farsighted in second then rock sprint says it is joyce rocket ricardo santana junior to it farsighted with second rocks princess across the line in third than it was guate- qian fourth off. We go cross the line in the fifth position. Our own kurt becker. On the call of the song bird rocket. she's had some year. she's one in the slop. She's one on a fast track. He's one on all weather. She ran second on the turf. She does it all. We'll see if she can take memorial at the fairgrounds tomorrow afternoon. Welcome back to the weekend. Stakes preview was ended by naira bats. Don't forget hr and twenty if you're opening a new account over at naira bets dot com play any track anywhere at any time. Hr and two promo code beck two hundred get you under just bet. That's actually bet. Four hundred in the first two weeks you get two hundred backwards up to two hundred dollars deposit max you over the narrow bits dot com for more details. If you've played that loselle futurity that we just talked about that at least twenty five dollars to win you'll get up to a twenty dollar winners bonus if you pick a winner apple we to play it on your phone. The mayor bets at the vets dot com for more details. Alright a half. A dozen louisiana stake races at the fairgrounds letellier memorial goes race number four field of seventy two year old fillies. Go six furlongs joys racket your sixty five morning line favorite. She gets lasix for the first time hall of famer steve. Asmussen gives his main man. Ricardo santana junior out. These two are perfect. They want to together. For the second. In the bolton landing together and turf again phillies very little wrong this year. She's done very little wrong but she's kind of going to be up against it as a big favourite pace-wise because she's gone to the lead in all five of here starts and so far. The you know the only time that the only thing you really have to worry about her is giving up the lead but for the first time maybe career she's got plenty of speed opposing her borrow number five grow who i don't think is nearly as talented is certainly fast. Early number six double. Whopper gets the lead basically every time she goes to the racist so i think it just plays right into the hands of number one. Mariah's princess fulfill bauer and miguel. Mariah's princess broke maiden last time out at the fairgrounds going six furlongs. She was drawn toward the outside. That day got a nice stalking trip powered home to win by two lengths and a pretty quick time. One ten and two. I think that same type of trip although breaking from the rail is all she really needs to be the one to beat in the spot. I think she's just gonna fall right into a perfect based scenario and i'll look from mariah's princess to get back to back wins fill bauer and miguel. Mena teaming up here charlie. Penny made her main track. Well her dirt debut a winning one last time out of churchill downs she at least expelling ten and woodbine on the the pita then she got her lasix she gets expect tomorrow. She ran really well. Churchill last time out on the dirt. And her i try there. She gets the advantage of that. Pigs dual as well. I can't imagine she's gonna be too far behind. She could be the first one to come calling on the speed. I liked charlie's penny I guess joys rocky can win but for the first time it certainly looks like she's going to be facing some adversity on the front end tomorrow afternoon. Riots for instance the other one. I'm gonna try trolleys penny to see if she can work out the trip from outside the speed racer number. Four goes as the letellier memorial down at the fairgrounds race number six the sugar bowl. This is the colts and geldings version of little kelly. Memorial six furlongs again on that main track a field of seven entered here. Gagetown was a nice looking debut winner. Got a nice price on them to read cox andrew. He was five to one when he wanted. I asking he gets lasix. He's got up gaudy seventy-three beyer speed figure your on debut. That's a good number. It doesn't match quick tempos numbers though he ran out. Eighty seven hundred eighty six at parks and then became back quick for the nyquist on the future stocks. Friday breeders cup undercard. Conway was second to The nice looking. Clark chad round. Your old motivated These to figure that. Take a bulk of the money tate. From the mike stem barn gets lasix for the first time and stood them. Sources are running very very well down at the fairgrounds to start to me. This is a real fun race in. There are several different ways. You can go i. I don't think there's any doubt that number one quick tempo looks like the quickest of the quick at least early on and he may be just the quickest of them all for the entire way. He's gotten lead. All four of his career starts and there. Isn't anyone else in this race. Who's ever gotten the lead early in the race so quick tempo should be able to clear this field. He may be just too fast and run them right off their feet. But i was really impressed. With the way gagetown ran in his debut he was working at ellis park. Which is not where. Brad cox i scream was during the summer so might have been a reason. That gagetown was five to one day. Maybe they thought that you know he was a racer. A couple works away and the word wasn't quite out on gagetown but he won very professionally that afternoon. I think he'll run even better tomorrow than he did in his debut. I don't know if he can get too quick tempo but if anyone can. I think it's gauged town and i think you'll be a better price on to put him on top. I think that's probably the best way to put it right. I don't know if anybody can get the quick tempo but if anybody does it'll be gauged now i think that's that's this race summed up perfectly and the problem is quick. Tempo has been fast on the all weather at all and ten on the turf at woodbine on the main track at parks on the main track at keeneland. He's just a fast horse and there are no other fast. Horses here gauge towns. Because problem is he may be the one. Do the dirty work tomorrow. He didn't have to do that in his debut. So that said. I'm going to try a one two and i'm going to try and get tate. Second in the hopes that gauge towns the pressure on quick temple early. And maybe even take and turn the tables. I don't know he's getting lasix for the first time. It's a big move for this marne who's already got caught numbers at the meat olive oil one two and he here. Quick tempo over tate might even turn it around for a few bucks race number. Six goes as the sugarbowl ray seven we go to the turf. Five and a half furlongs for the richard sherman memorial Again he's turf. Sprints dave yield some interesting results so far at the fairgrounds a field of eleven set to go to post the archerd dust. Archer does come off a couple of subpar efforts. He made his first few starts for steve asmussen from the georgia varo born and they were really good ones at monmouth park. But he didn't really fire in the belmont turf sprint invitatinal race where the pace was very slow When the speed dumped his writer at the start. But i have an excuse for the belmont. Turf invitational bobby dowries. Last time at akron. I got no excuse for you. My man he was awful. Yeah he wasn't very good. And i i don't know if he's going to come back to his best effort tomorrow. He's definitely one. That has chance. There are several others in here that you can use number ten fast boat had the misfortune running against leicester at keeneland. His last two starts in leominster. Release the king of the keeneland turf. Course for the most part except for breeders cup day and this horse wasn't far behind him. He's logical little. Bit of screwball though in number seven nitrous the other steve asmussen trae stu elliott aboard. This one only raced on turf twice in his career needed. That hit the board neither of those races. The last time he ran on the turf he ran on the at kentucky. Downs which i don't count bad races at kentucky downs against because as two different kind of course and the ups and downs in the long stretch and some horses love it and some horses. It's just a complete toss race. This horses dirt races are easily as good as the rest of the field's turf races running against horses like lasting legacy the coma whitmore rocket and actually not running poorly against those top sprinters. He's by tap it out of a city's mayor the breeding says that he should be able to handle the turf. I'm gonna give them another shot. He's six to one nitrous for me in the scherer he could certainly win Fast boat can certainly win. I thought i thought this was a bit of a spread race. Hollis might be able to get in front of them and keep goin'. Thought guilds men can win. I'm gonna ride the hot hand stadium and suarez the emboldened. This horse is three for three at five and a half franz five and five and a half almost he broke his maiden by ten. He won a virginia bred stakes race and he wanted laurel. Now the argument here is they've all been restricted. Racist is went. And i have no argument for that. But they've tried this horse. You know this horse. This year is a three year old ran against large large and came back to win that loaded fort lauderdale last week. That was around two turns. They ran them in the saranac around through turns where he got beat three and a quarter lengths in the bag. That day right. They ran them in the kentucky down race. And that's really the only race he didn't fire so i'm not going to hold that against them either. Look at his sprints. Last time he wins. Atlantic beach behind jack and know the jack noah got loose on the lead last year futurity behind eventual breeders. Cup on a four wheel drive This horse is a serious serious sprinter. And i think he comes in a little dirtied up with all the restricted races on his card and the couple of not so great efforts going long. I think the sources really really dangerous. Tomorrow he's getting to a distance that he really enjoys. I like him bowling fifteen two one in the morning line. I don't know if we can get that. I would love to get ten to one on them. I like emboldens. Maury seven goes as richard scher memorial. We'll take one more break. 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The thing you guys ask for the most at least me The hr and fantasy derby gonna air at three o'clock eastern we will then have coverage of this year's actual kentucky derby rebroadcast from four to six and then the fancy w will rea- from six to seven so fantasy derby three to four six to seven Look back on kentucky derby coverage from four to six. That's next friday. And there will be a year in review addition of the forum next saturday system special coverage christmas week. We're all getting a little bit of a much-needed breather again. You catoon keep it tuned here series two nineteen x two one stream. It live horse racing radio dot net. Right we got three racist to go for the final weekend. Stakes preview of twenty twenty bob alley back on new year's day with the first twenty twenty one edition of the program forward to that At the fairgrounds tomorrow reached nine. The buddy deliver memorial seventy five thousand on the line. Milena a sixteenth on the turf. Catherine removed cross entered in this and the two nations later on the dirt is one of my favorite things about About the fairgrounds and mcfeely was mcfeely. Might be the first thing i've ever seen who's fifty to one. Cross entered in two races on the same ever seen that before Big field of eleven here Again a lot of familiar faces. This is kind of stopping rounds of factor. This turned into one of the top middle distance turf horses last year. Brad cox trains got thought matrix in here. Cross border comes in for mike maker. The brad who's been a little more of a distance specialist as of late and they're both very very good horses and horses that you wouldn't be surprised seeing them in grade one grade to grade three efforts in fact they've print prominent in graded stakes in the past. And you have a horse like tenfold. Who's been very good in graded stakes on dirt. Whose trying this race. I went to number eleven stack. You gem for jim baker. James graham spectacular. Jim first of all loves it at the fairgrounds is finished. First or second in three four career tries on the fairgrounds lawn safe for the times that spectacular jam is just simply overmatched and placed in races. Where there little over his head like the grade one turf. Classic like the great three fairgrounds at the fairgrounds last february. This very very good. And i think he has a little bit of a pace advantage over these other. Classy individuals like dot matrix and cross-border sailing solo figures to get the lead spectacular. Gem is going to be sitting second to him and be getting. I run probably taking the lead at the top of the stretch and hill. Be the one that these other classy individuals will after catch. And he's a horse. That could be tough to catch so spectacular gem just because of the pace scenario. I'm going to take him to win. The buddy filiberto. I've been waiting from the run ten. Fold on the turf. It's taken him five years three years. I like tenfold. I'm gonna tell you who i like. Though i think dot matrix getting back to a place where he's done some good work. He's run really. Well the fairgrounds in the past. And i'm not gonna hold the muniz memorial from from earlier. This year against him he got left Kind of refused that day. And i thought maybe he was done but he came back with some big efforts to summer. He ran well belmont opening week. I thought he ran well in the bowling green when he was probably a little had to move a little earlier. You know what he's one unlike cross-border who i do think appreciates those added distances. Despite the fact that this was a rated stakes when are going along. I think these middle distances more suitable for him he gets laundry room back in the boot brad cox. I like dot matrix tomorrow with that. Said i win. Cross-border win sailing. Solo might be loosey goosey on the front end. But i do think that cutting back getting some place relief and giving back to the fairgrounds. Just doctor orders for dot matrix. I'll take him to win race number. Nine the buddy the liberato memorial race number eleven the blushing k d. Seventy five thousand online milena sixteenths on the turf for the fillies and mares. It's this earlier on race day. We wrapped race day with the rosa. I mentioned i like a little bit of a pricing. Isn't price prices. I thought she was going to be but again. It's another big field field of twelve with you. Land in here bobby. I thought this was a real tough race to handicap here. And i give a slight edge to the favorite number eight secret message simply because she's moving to the brad cox born and it seems like everything that moves to brad cox a run significantly better than it had been previously and she had been running pretty well for trainer graham motion prior to this and running in some in some tough graded stakes competition. She was only three lines behind rushing fall in the jenny wiley just this past summer but like i said i time for brad cox seems like everything improves when they make that move and i think secret message will do the same. She doesn't really have to improve. Be the one to beat if she improves at all. Then she's easily wanna beat it in tomorrow's spot. The wral philly quick with israel landed in here now. They've gotten they've gotten rain on and off down in the by this week. There always seems to be some give to that ground. She's ran wants to fairgrounds. It was a good third place. Finish earlier this year And she's not get the best of ride when she was fifty to one and she got to links jimmy grams reading there. Well the last two starts church. I want keelan both courses labeled good. She's going to get some new ground. She's gonna get a little pace at and she's only get a jimmy graham ryan really well. He's had a fantastic year. But especially now when this week saw this philly this man she's going to be turning seven and a couple of weeks she's just seem to really turn around again. She had some good form a couple of years ago and she runs her best races when there is some new ground and i think she'll get a little pace in here. I don't think it'll be a wicked pace. But they're going to be enough pace to keep her in the game I like her a lot tomorrow. So number one quick witted for me. I think like bobby mentioned secret. Message can certainly win. I also thought beautiful trauma. First time turf thomas on the far outside we'll see what The ego scenes does it probably has just blast off from out there Might not be a great gauge. The you handle the. But i thought she was a little interesting comments. Good numbers go into detail about twenty percent. Those are the three for me. But i really like quick with it. A lot race number eleven goes as the blushing k d. We wrap it up with the tomatoes and max. Fields return a mile and a sixteenth on the dirt. Seventy five thousand on the line a field of six or seven depending on what the connections of kathleen moon do Yeah this is This is an interesting return for a horse. Who when he's on the racetrack as good as they get this max field. I think it's a two horse race between number five salmon and number six max 'field Max field through. No fault of his own has just been a very fragile horse. And he's a horse that instead of having past performances showing kentucky derby belmont stakes haskell breeders cup classic things like that he's going to have past performances that show the map win and the tenacious as most recent starts and i'm not taking anything away from them. They're just simply not the same kind of races as the you know the derby in the haskell and the preakness and all those that that they were hoping that max v will they be able to take part in but max 'field in my mind is just a better horse these horses and his winning the matt win. I think would beat this field very easily. He obviously runs well awfully up because like seems like every time he runs is awful. Lay off and i think he will run well again. he does not get the base pay scenario. In fact both he and salmon come from a little bit off of it and cool. Bobby maybe up by himself on the front end. But i don't think cool. Bobby is quite as good as either on amac's field so i would use both salmon and max 'field and my horizontal plays but i think max fields too good. Yeah i think max feel can win. I think he's up against it As far as the pace goes. I don't think Simon is going to be that far off. I think is going to be laying second or third. He's my top pick i do. I doubt that maxwell's the best horse in this race now. I just don't like the dynamics of the tomorrow he can win. He'll be on my pick. Four hundred five tickets for shore but so will salmon and solomon's the top pick. I may even throw cool. Bobby and listen. We've seen crazy things happen. I know cool. Bobby really hasn't shown a pension former go along but man if he gets in front and nobody presses him. We've talked about how well jimmy graham dorado maybe jimmy graham can steal on the front end I like salmon though solomon's top pick. I think he kind of turned the corner and his last starts for steve asmussen all right all twelve in the books time now for the best bet visit is the naira beds. Best bet figured away. Bobby i'm going to the very first race. We talked about it is tonight. The trapeze for two year old fillies at remington park. And i think the fast pace will play right into the hands of number to olympia of the desert. Look for her to get her second straight win coming from off the pace for training trainer. Kenny mcpeek well. If you're going to go kind tomorrow the via borges down at gulfstream park great island. Chad brown tyler. Gaffney on will be saying that a lot this winter i have a funny feeling down to the championship me to go free park. Great island in the vehicle gays reached number nine at golfing. Tomorrow is my narrow bets. Best bet This has been an unusual year. It's been unbelievable I'm glad we got through it and it's been a lot of fun doing all of these programs that you my friend. You've made a very tough year a little easier. I can tell you that same can be said for you pal and i hope you have the best of holidays and look forward to seeing you on new year's day. Yeah we'll do this again on new year's day again special holiday programming next week at the network equipment forum comes your way tomorrow morning. I will be back bobbing back on the air for race day on the thirtieth of december until then hope you have a happy healthy blessed and safe holiday season. Happy hanukkah wrapping. That up. Merry christmas happy kwanzaa. Whatever you celebrate. Four bobby newman opportunity philippine. I'm the big a anthony's to be. We have a lucky night. I hope you went all your photo finishes. Hope you a fantastic holiday season. We'll talk to you in about ten days. Have a great night hr.

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Episode 101: Dubai World Cup, Florida Derby

Racing Rundown: A Horse Racing Podcast

59:17 min | 4 months ago

Episode 101: Dubai World Cup, Florida Derby

"Welcome back to racing rundown episode number one hundred one. We're getting into the hundreds now on. This is a very very loaded episode. We got a couple of two straight weeks of huge episodes with water racing. This week is worldwide racing dubai world cup festival. Is this weekend so very excited. We have eight races from that made on car. We're going to preview eight of the nine races on the dubai world cup card very excited for that. We also have some derby action this weekend stateside to one hundred point. Preparations including a one of the premier prep races in the united states to grade. One florida derby so very excited for that but we have a lot to get to on this episode. The first thing that we're going to do though as always turn it over to eric For this week's allowance segment as we get closer to the derby Obviously we're going to get into horse set. That aren't gonna make those races because timing plus. We certainly want to devote some attention to horses. That aren't just dirt routers and and spread things out. So i shoot tours is i have from this began From both both in the fairgrounds in one on the grass both with very good pedigrees very turf pedigrees. So you know. They're probably not going to be hopping onto the dirt anytime soon but horses to watch down the road for for. New york's turf triple series the colts in in the city. So we'll start with with phil here. Gam's mission divo- lead. This is the first horse refers. We've we've both covered on this segment of chad. Brown assistant of the very impressive win came from last closed super nicely when the pace wasn't necessarily there and beat a fairly well. Well-balanced ill good fueled lots of competitors in their if closed really wealthed. But we're really impressed. Me is also layoffs. She had it rian since last september on derby week. When if you remember there was another Story that broke her main on derby week on the grass that also Just juvenile fillies tiffany pearl amp pro a Against mission really good. second that day In a couple of horses that were behind in that field of comeback in one sense then so a really strong till that she was and now she just broke her maiden. It's clear that distance is going to be her friend ongoing amount of sixteen the longer. Probably the better Got a really nice closing kick. A by noble mission obviously As a full brother frankel right there so tons of good pedigree behind this. The silly and i imagine she's probably pointing to an allowance. Maybe keeneland could be a target for if not churchill. Certainly want to keep an eye on their games mission. The other one is a horse. Who took him a while to break his maiden career start number six was when he finally did this past guinness hidden. Enemy for steve. Asmussen an amazing year by galileo. Not often you see a horse in the. Us vij galal alone breaking their maiden by galileo also out of a grade one winning in a coma when the spinster shoot thousand nine two thousand ten two thousand eleven time there so you know boyne top to bottom distance top to bottom turf top to bottom in took awhile going but got two mile an eight for the first time in excelled closed really nicely. Got up to win by a neck it was. It was a nice a professional when she was only losing a good horses in his in his starts before Before this one. And i did speak you buy lengthen a half of that day so he. He's a really good horse is certainly want to keep an eye on. I know we took him to break his maiden. But like i said only losing two good horses and you'd probably just a mile to get his footing but now he's good and i certainly think he's one to watch on for obviously students things. Highly him he random. A states doesn't made last year so hidden enemy for the boys. Games mission for the females to to to watch down the road and now we're gonna move onto recapping reece's from last week in the first one that we have is the new orleans classic agree to on. This was one by chess chief and to to give put into perspective. How close this race was. I had actually turned off the race. Assuming that owen had won this race. And i did not realize the chess chief was the winner of this race until i looked back at this on monday morning. New turnout that. Just get the nose in that race. That's kind of a bit of a random fact about how closest race was chess. Chief had kind of been spinning the wheels since he had run a poor effort in the oaklawn handicap. Back in two thousand twenty. Hadn't run into stake between that. And then his third place effort at the mineshaft does a pretty good run in there. He ran third behind. Max field and was second tucson amon. Both of those one of those horses was in this race ottoman disappointed. Max field obviously was not there. But like i mentioned this was a recent how to power vacuum in it and chess chief was able to to take advantage of a very light field. Which is the type of horse chestnut chief is is going to be thrown a screw seeing that within before is never wanna steak. He was second in the west virginia derby in two thousand eighteen behind mr money but outside of that. That fuel wasn't very strong was fourth in indiana. Derby again a horseshoe is running in some of these light fields but first time he gets a stakes win and you know like i mentioned. This is what what it was to take to get chess chief a win here owen. Dale ran his usual. O'neill race disappointing. Runs from enforceable solomon roadster. I thought didn't run bad. Considering he was often year. Plus long layoff disappointing. Run from the canadian horse in my boy expected to see a lot better from him probably wasn't as highly touted as i thought he was going to be. But overall these horses aren't gonna make too much of an impact on the classic. Divide the handicapped division but You know it wasn't a nice run goodwin for chess. Chief gets his first career stakes win and this is what doubts to does. I mean you can keep trying and trying and trying and trying until he gets that a decorated stakes flynn with a horse in that stakes. Went in with a horse. Know obviously paid off your chest. Cheats are knocker Jack perfectly these horses are going to too much of an impact on the and captivation. That doesn't mean they're not gonna show. I mentioned only deals. Still gonna run senator third in race like the you know the alley sheba churchill or on kentucky derby day at churchill stuff like dat. That's where you're going to see these horses And if they find an easy field they might be able to win those but you know with was in dubai this weekend in what we've seen with a couple of horses earlier this year certainly not not going to be too much factor going down the road and now we're gonna move onto a horse. Who definitely is going to be a factor down the road Colonel liam who has turned into the like. We've talked about the last few times we've talked about him on this show who is turned into to the one b horse in terms of the top. Three four year olds going up into the twenty twenty one saratoga new york racing year when we have a lot of those big grade one races and currently is true. To form he ran. He's following the bricks and mortar path to success. Not saying he is going to be bricks and mortar but winning pegasus turf. Win in the muniz memorial manhattan. Excuse me not manhattan turf. Classic on kentucky derby day is most likely the next spot for him. Same distance as this munis memorial would expect him to love that just as much as he loved this distances. Turn into a really. He was always a really consistent horse but now he's turned into a really consistent horse that can win horse races as opposed to to run nice finishes behind them. He todd pletcher done some nice things with him and this is a horse who we're going to hear a lot from going forward this year absolutely. I mean that was about as good as can be you you one professionally one easily and he just to bet on the day now is getting churchill. He's going to have a big chance there. It's gonna it's gonna be really pick against and the rest year because he can work out. Any trippy. wants he has fletcher turner's country. I read tease. The best writer in the countries so a versatile doesn't really need to come from white back if he needs to be on the leave. He can probably do that so close in any case he wants he just ignores and like i said gonna be hard to pick against runs underneath have thought. The runner up to emmys was with longer shot. That at ran big. Maybe one to watch this summer and some great season grade threes but really was the colonel liam show. Hi national don't the way it is Throughout the rest of your recapping the fairgrounds oaks now. I'm going to echo something that eric said on twitter this past saturday which is basically a brad cox is going to win. Its third kentucky. oaks trophy. I picked against travel calm in this race. Originally i wasn't going to post a post rachel. Alexandra sakes i was thinking that you know just. She just needed the race. And i wanted to get back. A- was going to get back on her always plan to then. I talked myself back onto clairiere. Clairiere didn't run a bad race. I will mention. I'll leave Talking about travel called. Eric i did want to mention one thing about clear. Though you know. Obviously travel calm was the best horse on the day. I'm not really making any excuses. I don't think that clear was going to be travel calm. But i will mention that She did get a little bit green or she still a little bit green and you saw that with her little Incident that happened midstretch where she kinda veered around. And you know. It was acting like a little bit of a young thrilled. And that's probably a what she still. She still doesn't have that many runs underneath her so she definitely still a young horse. Only four career starts on her so very much well within the right of her to do that and A hor- syringes very much One that you would not be super surprised to see that from but hopefully she'll get that corrected. I will say though that she is going to love getting more distance and if she gets that fixed then i'll take both these horses out of this race absolutely. I think i'm the same. I don't think that travel column is victim. Much do cto. The length of this victory the margin of victory for travel nine victims of the talent gap between her and clairiere. Because we've seen them raunchy close races before travel column got away with easier barrier was beaten herself up tons and tons of. Tom reasons that a travel calm was better than clear. You're on this day. Travel column also has reasons that she might be just better because going into their her win last fall she had already had a couple runs wasn't as fresh as clear. Stolen leader half link. Fence was coming off a layoff when clear eat her. This time last time in the clouds indra she. She had it on her way this time round. I e. she's yolks favourite. I think that if the rightful favoritism and i wouldn't be surprised to hear one at all. But i wouldn't a i also wouldn't be surprised. See clearer windows. Because she's she's very talented as well. These are think the top two right now in this three year. Old filly division. I think it's these two. It's a little bit murky everywhere else with horses. That are you know on the bench. Still now thought dead at the office were supposed to be running in preps neither one of them have actually been entered in any of the races. They were supposed to be entered in. So it's a clear top. Two and i don't think there's that much of a difference with why when we get the it's gonna be really excited to to see how that plays out and now we're going to move onto the final race of recapping from last week in the louisiana derby the first one hundred point preparation. And i just wanna say before we get to anything. Congratulations to our friend. racing friend of racing. Doug o'neill on getting another kentucky derby starter. doug has. We'll talk about some of the other. Races has a chance to have a really really good kentucky derby entry you know. We usually talk about with multiple horse. Entries guys like pletcher baffert on the old times. Lucas but things fall right with stuff. That's happening this weekend. Doug could potentially have even up to as many as four horses not saying that we're going to get as many of them but he can have multiple. Horses entered on the first saturday in may so. Congratulations doug he's under really good year With the three year olds. And hot rod charlie perfect example even though a lot Doug was serving the suspension. This weekend still horse was trained by him beforehand and will go back to doug. O'neill congratulations a whole team on that. Really really good. Run in louisiana derby from hot charlie and i both eric and i were skeptical about him coming in here. I said you know that. I thought he was gonna run fine in louisiana derby. I didn't think he was going to win. It just looked like the local horses. Were going to continue doing what they've been doing There had been the talk out of the fairgrounds that this is a really good group of young colts and hot rod. Charlie came in here wired them going a mile and three sixteenths and he said a track record at the fairgrounds not a distance that they run a ton of but still. That's something that that's not something to take away from the horse. He still ran a wire-to-wire race. Going track record time also something that the pedigree may not necessarily suggest ocoee wants to do. He is by oxo. I realize that. But he's out of the mayor who produce natoli so you know there. There's some some one turn sprinter side on that dam sights to see him be able to do that. Very impressive. nice run underneath from midnight. Bourbon eric's been talking about this for since he won the lacob stakes is a really consistent. Horse he's on his way to the kentucky. Derby disappointing runs from proxy and mandolin. Proxy is still you know. He's a tablet horse. We said this many times about tap horses. He's not right mentally. Unfortunately it looks like it's going to cost me kentucky derby spot manned lunar just looks like just looked like the distance got to him which is very very surprising to me because it didn't look like the distance was going to be what did admit but You know. I can't really point to anything else in that race. He's going to be moving onto the kentucky derby. I'm skeptical that he's going to run well there but in terms of top two. They're both going to the derby. Hot rod charlie. I think can on fine race midnight. Bourbon not really sure where he's going around he will be in the starting gates so that that is something that is worth taking for with him at the end of the game. One one hundred point preparations down. It's nice to have that out of the way we're starting to get your picture. This great green by hot rod. Charlie at those sentiments of jack You know that we both really didn't like to last week Not that he wasn't gonna run. Well we just didn't think he was going to win He improved engine. Rosaria might add wrote a huge raise. If he's on him in the derby gotta give gotta give him some consideration. Not just because to resolve. This is a good win. And i know you know you jack. You mentioned the patty green but as for my own three sixteenths and it's pretty clear that the mile and a quarter is going to be no problem for him. He's big rangy. Aung striding cole who covers the ground. Very efficiently gal out huge. So he's gonna love the distance there on the nineteenth cute. I certainly think he's you know. I'm not here to label derby winners or who's gonna run. The greater trace their lives on derby day. Who's gonna be peaking but this is a horse. He's probably not going to be savored. he's probably not going to be five to one problem. Close to ten to fifteen so because of that he's going to get you. Know drew my attention for sure. I thought midnight bourbon rain. Great ease one that a month from now. Each run third in the dirty from last in the derby. I wouldn't be surprised to see either really consistent horse though. I really do admire his consistency there. third-place obeys a no jacket in touch on him. Because you were talking about the favorites. This was a good run. He closed really really nicely east on the outside looking right now. But we've seen it before the louisiana derby don't acquire enough points today running a prep dark insider or the lexington and are able to make the race at a country house to the derby winner of it. He did it. My boy jackson was one of the fanton. Two thousand eighteen. He did so. There's there's a pap. There is precedent that obey six. Could try to steal a dirty spot on that final prep weekend and then proxy. They'll be the last time. Because i don't have anything to say about mandolin. Proxy i'm gonna guarantee right now. He wins graded stakes at some point in his career. Whether that'd be this fall for next year he's going to win. That is that is a guarantee we can look back on it. What happens easy very very talented horse. But he s mental issues. He needs to sort out right now. The only game he figures that out he's going to be very good actually does remind you of his stablemate mystic guide. Of course we'll talk about in a moment in that sense. They need time for when they get that time. They're going to be really really good. And there is one more race that we're going to recap just before we move onto the do barrel kind of of saint louis race stakes at santa anita one by the grinding grizzled of southern california united. We've been talking a lot about how this is kind of a bit of the changing of the guard but not necessarily just yet with this Handicapped turf division out in california. United gets another win In the stakes at santa anita. He's a been so consistent throughout his career whether it's running in breeders cup races or you know lower level grade threes like this. He's always gonna run on a race when he's in southern california. I'm forgiving him for that eighth-place finish that he had in the breeders cup turf. He's never horses going to run well outside of southern california and for him this year. Breeders cup is in del mar so you can probably expect to see him. Run another race like in two thousand nineteen say the word ran a really nice effort Behind united got beat less than a length by him. Master fox hounds. Eric's going to touch on him. Good good run underneath from him. Those two horses that will likely you know these three will probably come back together again at some point you could also throw acclimate in there. I don't have as much. Saeb acclimate as the top three in this race. But probably you'll see those four come together again and you could see same outcome or you could see complete. Reverse order giving giving credit to united where credit is due nice consistent horse in a good win for him this weekend desperately. You know he's a he's a veteran. He's been running huge every single time. Nice to see him. Pick up another win i. I was really impressed. Did award though. I thought he closed nicely. Where the pace when the pace wasn't really there for him East continuing to run good races in his starts in southern california's. Great one winner already. So i think kinda shows just general and we'll touch on nastro. Sounds just sick. But i do. Just want to say the. The stock of turkey's new general in this country has improved immensely over the past few months and i think in the west coast especially these are top. Three who are not slouches. I wouldn't necessarily pick against to by The classic field. We'll talk about later. I wouldn't pick them there but the horses decode run good races no matter where they if they new york i think they could run rate there. I think there's some really talented horses master of fox hounds. Good pace wasn't there for him again. in i honestly think he wants a little bit shorter in distance mile quarter mile three gates donald way of two mile and a half but nonetheless. I think he has a lot of talent. So now we're going to move on to buy sell hold. This one's pretty baked basic from this week and there weren't too many races to draw from a out of this week. And i'm going to be buying hot rod. Charlie as reasons of already alluded to i'm gonna be holding on proxy I echo everything that eric said about proxy. I've liked proxy for his last three races and thought that he was at some point. Going to get the grade graded stakes win. I agree that that's going to come at some point and for myself i'm going to sell mandala In terms of selling him in terms of the kentucky derby don't think he's going to get the distance and i this race wasn't really encouraging for that That notion for me. I'm buying hot rod. Charlie you know. He made me believe not not taking him for any big reasons down the road that i've certainly not going to disregard them. Like i disregarded him is time. I do also want to mention is the cover hot rod This really does credit. The likes of roman century medina spear in my opinion really validates them standing needed derby. Not this weekend of course next weekend but only get there. I think that's gonna be a big talking point at least for me. I imagine a lot of other people that california's not something to mess with diana horse. You might not even be the best horse. Ner to trout's to field in louisiana pretty easily I think that it is a testament to how good those horses are for me. I don't have a cell this week. I there was no horse. I really Thought fit that bill. As totally destroyed. I would agree with jack mandolins for the derby. I'm out on my whole dominate. To clear h going to be a big have a big chance in the oaks especially if there's good pace in front of her and master of fox outs nether horses. Probably wasn't benefited too much by the pace e still learning. He's only four you know he's he's still getting good in. My opinion already has a great lakes when in southern california so lots to like about him especially if he has doesn't have to run against united at someone. That's when i really really Dilated on and now. We're gonna move onto going to do by and start with the first of the eight racist that we're going to cover on that card in the first one is a goodall mile this race at least for me and we're going to sorta run through these really quickly just for the sake of time but this for me Seemed really cut and dry. The good often mile Is usually a race where you get Lower tier american stakes horses and get catch lighter fields. And they're able to win a race horse like cold front is one that comes to mind. Mr freeze probably would have done it. Last year of this race had been run. And there's a there's a horse if it's that bill in here snapper sinclair horseshoe is you know doesn't have the greatest consistency or here in this country. But you know he fits the bill perfectly of that american horse when he catches if he were to catch a light field in the united states. Could win a graded stakes feel nice. Thank god catching a light field in in dubai at may don is certainly gonna help them and on. I'm going to pick him to win. This and i think that's fair logic for me i went was one of the locals here has developed mile. He's one of the really You can pick up your freight for me. Going with doug watson midnight senses a horse who has been kinda made on stalwart for the last two years. Us last summer and fall go goes too well but then he got back may donning took out a group three. They're on their their super saturday card. It was a really nice win. Probably the best race. He's really ran In dubai which i think says a lot he's only ever lost once in the uae. It was the second one is six other. Starts there He loves the mile. Loves me don. And i think he he has a really good shot in your. I'm afraid of the americans especially stat snapper sinclair of the locals. I really like midnight. Sands and i think he has a huge chance to win this one and now we're going to move onto the dubai gold cup this racist one for me that was also pretty cut and dry a looking at the last race Not the one that may don but to go into the red cedar on saudi cup day The the winner of the race gifts of gold is not here. He's in the world cup but the second place secret advisors another dolphin horse And there's nothing wrong with picking dolphin horses At their home track. And we're gonna definitely be visiting that angle again As we go through these races you know. I tossed around whether or not it was gonna pick secret advisor or spanish mission but ultimately i decided to to side with secret adviser just because i thought he did think he ran a nice second in the red sea turf and i think without the there were horseshoe even though i don't think that If you were to run the race back again that gifts gold would beat secret adviser. I think without him. He's going to be that without gifts of gold supervisors gonna benefit and without that without that or someone to pick him on top here and i was between the same horses well secret advisor in spanish mission and i ended up on the same horses. You jack that's a theme. I think that will be following a little bit this episode. But that's okay secret advisor to for to me. Don's ran excellent races. He ran a good through last arm. Out key never really stretched out to be miles which is kind of my biggest concern by any race. Going amounts record is. He's also never really Communication at you want to stop. So he's a good horse. Races in europe earlier are towards the end of last year. he's only two runs. This'll probably would have been favored in probably would have won this year ago. So he's back again. he's in. he's in good. Form i know is coming off a couple of losses. But you don. I also think you just hours over this field and in a way. 'cause aren't really any other superstars. spanish missions. good. But i don't think as good as by and now we're gonna move onto the next raciale quals sprint. This race is very interesting. there's a lot of. there's a lot of different ways to go in at very weird For definitely some of the american rec- cowan in here are three road. Going up against a you know some some top european sprinters international horses but Cowan definitely is a horse who looks like at his best is probably going to be a turps merger. Probably not the spot for him in here. I'm gonna pass up within him. I'm gonna go back to the winner of the saudi church. Set the turkmen on saudi cup card. The name of the racist escaping me. So i'm not gonna not gonna fumble with it and try to find it out but The winner of that race space blues we talked about him is possibly one of if not the best turf sprinters right now in the world and you know there's nothing i liked that last race. A lot don't really think there's anyone in here who's going to be able to run a good enough to beat him really liked that last run again relatively simple races but at the end of the day he's a nice horse and i don't really think it's a bad thing to go back to him at all. You know if you listening talk about this horse. I believe he's the best spinner in in europe in probably the world. He's just accurate. Wasn't i know. His last wasn't overly impressive far far from his best career He was coming off the bench He was going. You know. I wouldn't say that race was further than he probably wanted to do. Coming off the left is cutting back to six furlongs here. He's gonna light that a lot He has a great finishing. Billy only concern from your release. You use one at may don. So don't love abby. Either good horse is coming second race off off the layoff which is always good angles. I just it's hard to look away from that. Being said there were two horses. I do wanna mention of the americans. Look at the ten trutv. Our graham ocean This is a horse. Used to be a mile or once in graded stakes for simon callaghan until the california a couple of years ago. They cut him back sprinting in his last three races and he's not a bad race sets short. He's losses last. Two buddies ran really really good in those start self. I truly don't think he's one to overlook here he's going to be coming late and usually americans in this race especially the longer prices own seem to run really good races here final comment. This is the other three zero not counting acklin express to just like i said he's fairly decent last year a sprinting in the uk. Some really racist picked up a stakes when even against a field of he's already raining his own horses twice and he said aboard both times running dynamite races. I think him into our excellent horses look at underneath of space blues in here to get some value. And now we're gonna move onto the you eater we. This has one hundred points for the derby and this is the first of three that we have on the on this episode. That we're going to be previewing in this one This is one that i did go international with In here local horses once again It really came down at least for me to rebels. Romance and mogi moheb was the horse who was the winner of the uae. Two thousand guineas rebels romance. Beat him in the two thousand guineas trial and then went on to run a disappointing for place. Finish in the saudi dirty. But there was a speed wasn't really caring too much that day. So i think that excuse coupled with the fact that he gets back to may don attract that he had some very nice success over. I do like if rebels romance wasn't here. I was thinking for a while. That moggi was going to be the horse that i was gonna pick but now the rebels romances here like getting back to me. Don like that win that he had over leave and I'm going to pick him to rebound off of that. Disappointing effort In the saudi derby and get. Get the job done here. This district is on italy We'll talk about another 'isms art. I think is pretty tough. This was probably the toughest one handicap. Yeah fourteen horses. I was there. Were seven horses. I thought had a very very strong chance of winning that i saw myself picking. I only went with a bit of a longer shots. Because one i don't have too many tribes picked on his card and i felt like this would be the best chance to take s the seven new treasure for john. Gosden i mean just a horse turf spreading throughout his two year old campaign jim bolger over in ireland was privately purchased by saudi arabian connections in spoke to run in the derby in that standard will keep him with gaza for this race because he ran a really really good third in that saudi derbi was in only linked was finishing really really well and it was clear he likes the dirt is probably the biggest question giving his pedigree but he actually got over it well and based off his pedigree his sire new approach the majority in his runners do better going mylan quarter mile and a half downside dirt pedigree which is probably where he got that from his dan broker made gonna violence three eighths at belmont park so that goes to show you the distance in this horse's pedigree and he was sprinting is a year old and then won a mile last time and still ran. Well i think he's gonna love my own three sixteenths here. You likes the dirt. He's gonna get good trip. Frankie dettori board lots and lots of good here plus will probably be a good price treasurer on top for me that being said i think you could pick any of japanese runners in here and have a good francisco to in jolo. Starion picks up that now. I think he's super dangerous. And then of the locals. I do agree with jack. Etta that rebels is probably the the the best of those given that he's going to be scratching out in distance as well and now we're going to move on to the golden shuki and this is a race that a lot of times tends to benefit american horses. Obviously there are exceptions. But you know looking at this racist another example of some of the the lighter. American sprint horses That can can catch a later graded stakes field and win that you have horses jack yaupon. That have done that And i think that this is the perfect time to look to one of these horses. I'm going to go wild danjaq. He's been a horse who's been super consistent throughout his entire career You know didn't wasn't even my intention to go back to doug o'neill but you know some nice horses this week. That doug's running. While jack is one of them and you know it just that last one that he had was really nice. It was his second. Start back off the lay often. He didn't run to well. On the turf. I've generally tended to feel that he runs better races on the dirt. Then he does on the turf you. He does get when he does run on the dirt. You was a fourth place finish behind collusion illusion in the bing crosby last summer an obviously really liked that stakes when he had last out So going to go with him in here but You know there are some really really interesting international horses in here. I thought about going back to matera sky because Matere sky has such bad luck when he runs in some of these races but he he ran a really really nice race last out but ultimately wanted to go with one of the americans now just because it looks like that they have a really good shot to win. I'm also with there. Jackson on unweildy. Jack on was absolutely not intended. But it happened while this is a good win. Last time out this horse at santa anita us obviously likes to ship to may don. I know he said that course record on their turf course but nevertheless goes to show he's a. He's a big fan of dubai. Any teams like the best horse in the japanese are really really dangerous. And i don't like any of the other. Americans i might add yaupons a little bit overrated to me. Send in jalen journey both in over their heads here. Japanese are scary. Metairie sky justin for sure and red-tape readily la tomato kicking all four very viable picks. I'd go back to just in. That's who i had in the in the saudi sprint. Last time out he had some traffic trouble cleaner trip. He runs much better in my eyes this time. Now but that being said ivy wild wildness. Jackson class of the field. And i don't think he gets beat and now we're gonna move onto the dubai turf the first of two longer turf races on this car. This is about a mile and an eighth For the american viewers eighteen hundred meters And this race is. Eric talked about. How the u e was one of the toughest races on the card. This i think at least in my opinion was probably the toughest because you had some really nice horses in here. And there's no real set favourite horse in here but i ultimately went to horses. Probably gonna be very well bet on this race. But i didn't really care too much. I'm not really looking to get super wild This week and it may don and i went to to to kind of you could say the easy pin here. But lord north He is coming in here off the layoff. But you know didn't run a bad race in the breeders cup turf. You was fourth behind to world class. Maher's channel maker who is probably going to run a nice race in the classic And then you know. He was fourth Looking to to the champion stakes at ascot race. Where the track was super wet. So that's a complete toss race for him. There group one winner last year. Royal ascot The prince of wales sticks and obviously some nice runs behind the in some of the other groups stakes over there so lots of good things to say about north and for me it was relatively easy to go back to him in this race and once again. Same horses jack. The battle between the lord's in my opinion lord north glitters lewis. Letters is has been really good displaying in winter at me don so far just running good race after good race. But i'm i've been really skeptical of the horses in this division locally they have not been good and the fact he's barely been feeding them is during the or losing to them. We're north world-class horse at one point when he wanted to wales at royal ascot last year. Release like he was about to become a world beater. That didn't really happen but he's also not really ran a bad race other than that soft that software at ascot on the champion stakes. So he's a good horse he's gonna love the firm ground. Mylanta needs right up his alley in my opinion So just lots and lots of good. Hopefully another winner for johnson got john gosden. Frankie dettori i guess a banking on them pointed this weekend and we're going back at least on my angle in the sheema classic to going back to that john gosden angle hoping for another winter there. I'll with mr. If the winner the saudi derbi he gets back or excuse me. The saudi cup key gets back on the turf after that Really really nice win in the saudi or saudi cup. Excuse me for Those races over charlatan but to go back and look at this. This was a group one winner in france. As a three year old he won. You won the front new their equivalent to the french darby And you know looking at that. He only has one bad race in his career. That same champion stakes. That i mentioned with lord north that you can completely toss out Software of course is Any person knows European horses do as as any american viewer would know. European horses do not want any part of soft turf so you can imagine that there are going to be. There's a lot of problems with him. I had heard some things that you know. Pedigree may not be something that he wants to get the the full mile and a half in this race or the equivalent of that. I really don't care too much You know this is a horse who looked really good toward the end of the french. During that was a race was a little bit longer than a mile and a quarter and he looked just fine there. So i'm gonna go to him in in here and for me. I'm not on the same worse debt. Don't worry i'm on krona genesis. This is pans best horse right now in the crazy thing is she probably won't be favored I think the interesting to compare. The gamero can foods in the european pools and the japanese pool in terms of how they did. This praised the europeans. Probably gonna look towards like mishrif in moguls. Americans are probably gonna hammer channel maker just a little too much while still letting mistress favor and give moguls money cronos. Genesis probably gonna be one nine to pan. This is by far away their best Traces last year The khanin in the super impressively and racist through beaten less than a length by all died contrary to most famous towards the crown winner in their highest. Earning most prayed one horse winning of all time. She so good soaking it. She loves loves for brown. Lots and lots of good so no worries here Trainer always good shipping abroad. Lots to like about promo genesis. Follow japanese race to any amount. You certainly know that that she is the real deal. And she's gonna advocate timing like i said earlier. She probably going to be good price especially in american pools and now the final race that we're going to preview in this is the big one of the twelve million dollar dubai world cup very excited for this race in the american contingent does a little bit weaker than the one that came off of the saudi cup but still looks very strong and here are the favorites going to be mystic guide. Most likely for this race Misguide has been so consistent as of late You know as we talked about. As eric mentioned with proxy you can compare a lot of what proxy did To what mr guide has done throughout his career took him a while to figure it out but once he was able to figure it out. You know we see two graded stakes wins in jim dandy and the razorback and then a second place finish in the jockey club. Gold cup too. Happy saver where he was giving up. Ground You know you could could make a point there that if he gets a better trip in that could be the winner. But i'm here to make excuses for that. It was still a nice when even before that new racist he was losing. He was losing two good horses. Lost to the likes of country grammar and even tap to win who is a horse's nice stakes races. Before so lots of lots of class of this. I just looked like the the razorback at least for me you know. He was coming off off of a significant layoff in that race over very wet tiring surface at oaklawn and he won by six lengths. Going a full second faster than the derby favourite essential quality did so really really like mr biden here. Not just because it's a light lighter field not too many big name americans but just because i think mister guide is really really talented racehorse I think that he's going to flourish. Here there's not too many of the the local horses that i think have the potential to beat him and then of the other american horses. I think he's better than them with. I'm there on. Mr died towers over the sealed. In my opinion. This is not a dad. Fueled by any means but he just physically in in the way he's been working just constantly improving with each and every start interest gives me every indication that he's going to run you. Trays loved the mile and a quarter. The one time he ran it. I might add in jockey club gold cup behind app savior. Who's gaining on him. There so tons to like about nick guide in you just compound that with no real other superstar in this race. My my one value horse here would be the other godolphin against the second-string dolphin here for andre fob. Ninety coors a free rest winning streak The biggest hobby. I've been he's never ran on the dirt but he's the data. We adore out of the an atm. Air dinner running menu on the grasp. But once again there's there's terror pedigree found so he's gonna probably like the dirt probably gonna run a fine race. He's gonna love. The distance is classed a little bit but he certainly good wildcard wars in my opinion to look at here especially in a field that outside of mr guidance is very much wide open eating consistent. And now we're gonna move onto some of the american races now we've got. We're not going to be able to preview. Every single race gulfstream park. We got some of the best ones on the first one we're gonna talk about is the appleton this racism mile on the turf And this one was pretty difficult for me for me to look at their rely. I think this is very wide open. And there's no sure pick in here and it felt like to me that i was going to have to go with a horse that i'm not super comfortable with but at the end of the day i'm gonna swallow the layoff with the chad. Brown trained seismic wave I really like when seismic wave is at his best. I i really like the runs that he's been able to put in a win in the english channel second in the poker second in allowances saratoga this summer when he runs his best race. And i know that that's a big ask for him to run his best race off the amount of layoffs that he is. But i think that this is a light enough field that he has enough talent in him that he's going to be able to win it. But i do acknowledge that this is a very hard pick to chance because seismic wave is off that long of a layoff. And he's not the greatest racehorse but at the end of the day. I think he has enough to this field for me in this one very very much challenged one of the harder american racist vic speaking. I went to frost mourn for Any happened a rough meat. He's also forty one at street In in twenty twenty one for their champions need so that's not great but this is a good horse Allowance at churchill. Off of a pretty sizable layoff In in november super nice win and was turning the tropical part in trump's tropical. Excuse me of ride comment and consecrate. I know they didn't run while out in southern california but they're still good horses in. This was a good run. He's gonna have a nice pace setup. He's always been a horse for lots of talent. It's just interested really stood in his way but he seems like he's in good form cycle right now. Picks tyler daf leone which is obviously a very good thing that goes trade and i just think there's lots to like. I think this is a good field for him to be able to be that being said. It's why i like jack's pick. I wanted you to ever dangerous. Who won the brian station. Last fall at keeneland readers tough weekend. I even talk to you. Oh for our roger from the rail was pretty solid especially grace stable. The one that got to pick somebody. And i landed off. Ross more and now we're going to move onto the next that we're going to preview. Which is the panamerican. This has raised ten on this gulfstream card a mile and a half turf race And this race gives me the opportunity to go back to one of my favorite angles in racing. Which is when. Mike maker has an entry. Always take the horse. It looks like they're they're going to be the longer shot and so i'm going to go with temple was second in the wwl. Mcknight back in january regressed a little bit to be fourth at least numbers. Wise in the mac garamba. I do think though that the macaranas a lot better for temple on paper than it was it's a lot looks a lot worse on paper than it actually was He was but he was only beaten to lengthen quarter. He was a nose away from being third in that race Nosed out by moon over miami and the horse's defeat him phantom currency in of the see both do have some some nice races underneath them and says some good things that you can say about them going forward. I like cross-border too but Temple i think it when i get the opportunity to take a longer mike maker horse really do like that. He also picks up tease which is definitely not something that you can ever turn down when you get on the potentially the longer price mike maker horse not something that i can pass up in here. Yeah it was hard for me to look against. Might make her in here. But i did There were some. There's some classy horses in. You're not the most consistent not the best but some classy horses. But i'm going with. Also i think's going to be a bit of a price in the churn and burn for ian wilkes often allowance when going going a mile and a half at gulfstream in criteria. Here is elise. I have agreed. State start but that was the first time he's gone to his career. Any obviously floors to and wire-to-wire he was finishing full of run ran by far the highest speed figure of his career. And it's been a bad horse but you've been running on dirt. Even turf sprinted once who's going around mile and he just wasn't he flat every time it's the distance is what he needed a guy he excelled and i think it can replicate that performance. Here it's also obviously. He's getting into his own as a horse up four years old. He's got finding his best stride. Kind of fits. the pedigree. Their leans map was one that had it took a while to get onto That should be loan speed so turning. Burn for me here. Hopefully at a bit of a price in the panamerican. I think the mayor duos good mood over. Miami's good but i think turning burn i think get i run on all those forces and now we're gonna move onto the gulfstream park. Oaks was relatively disappointing. There were a lot of big names that have been floated around That were supposed to enter. Horse's mouth thought endowed of the office. Unfortunately on those horses did not show up here and it's a little bit of a light race but at the end of the day This does have oaks implications so we will be discussing it and you know ultimately looking to this race. This is the race where. I went very favorite heavy this weekend. But this is a race where. I'm going to take a shot in here just because i don't really like any of the horses. That are kind of favored. You know malfoy. Trust her out of that race. Don't really like crazy. Beautiful that much cone lima's on the dirt in here. Don't really like her switching over so at the end of the day. I looked to one of the longer prices in this race. And i'm gonna go with bogle earl The dale roman the shorter president to dale romans. Train horses dale has a twelve to one worse. Lend low lady. Also looking to the shorter price looking at her career runs. She was beaten on debut. Three quarters of a length but use fourth but horses. Who finished in front of her Winner won by three quarters of the length and the second and third were both naked in front of each other so She's to next away from being second in her career. Debut while beaten taber hall on in her second career start came back going a mile and a sixteenth on the dirt One by four and a four and a half lengths. Excuse me Shell did that over. The surface at gulfstream She has two runs over the surface like horses that have success over the surface and just at the end of the day. I was looking for the best. I take a shot within here. i don't like to many of the favorites in here and at the end of the day. She may not win. But i'm looking. I'm looking to beat some the top horses in here. I can't blame you. It's very wide open race with all the horses missing. I originally actually liked no for quite a bit given. I thought she needed that last store. And he was going to probably gonna be better going to turns but i m reversing course and going to a horse. That honestly probably is going to take a fair amount of money in here. And that's the name of for todd. Pletcher a pleasure on the turf. Recently in it's paid off three wins in four starts in general her last night by de cuba. A win is a win. Johnson ran a batteries at all but go back to two earlier in her hurt her a vial some when she was trained by todd pletcher Her first start to second need three-quarter blanco in six one. She lost a whole. He might stir the daylight winner of the deal and she comes back and wins by five and a quarter lanes on the dirty gold screaming. This time. no dirt starts on a on a on a track. I should say inch ran. Create every time In obviously is running good on the turf but she's a best race in my opinion Have been on the dirt. The most julie appealing to me. The winds have been on dirt. So for me i. I'm really excited to see her. Get back on that surface especially seeing what you do on the turf. Her losses of only been two good horses for winds have only been against good horses so lots to like about her. As long as iran can get out of the gate from that real position really nice and in established. Good relief position. I think she's going to run huge. Hopefully when obviously bright out a hard time believing she didn't run a good second or third Otherwise and now moving onto the race number thirteen. The orchids stakes. This is a race at You know we're going to go back to the last weekend. We had multiple stakes on the gulfstream card with warlike goddess This is a horse who eric urged people to take her in her neck. Start so i'm going to heed eric's advice here and take warlike goddess. She ran a worse on paper than actually fifth-place finish in the very one stakes. She was only beaten to or she was only beaten three and a half lengths in that race around that My math may be wrong with with a length or so but about three links in that race and she's getting more ground here and that was a lot worse on paper than it actually was. Julian peru also. Didn't have the greatest ride in there so gets extra distance. Probably going to better luck in here Like we're like goddess in here. And you know going to going to stick to that because when erica says things like that and i have not listened him before hasn't worked so i'm gonna listen to eric this time and hope that We get some better luck in this race. Absolutely i mean. Let's hope once again. It was kind of the same case last time out in that the very one stakes. The pace was not there. But i think that they're going to learn from that. They're not going to have her lasted if they do. They're gonna make your move earlier. I have a hard time so much to one of the best trainers in the game and he knows what goes wrong with a horse in a race it's clear that is what went wrong with warlike goddess was trip and in the distance. Well she stretches out a guarantee they're going to be making sparta moves this time round. They're not dumb enough to let her get each weiss. They're going to win this one i. I'm once again very top in for me if you if you listened regularly i'm i'm one hundred percent a rich shape pace of the race handicapper. I'm always looking at the race shape in rarely i mean ninety nine out of one hundred times i will pick based off of how the race sets up an. I'm avoiding that here with a lot about my confidence in warlike guys here there's been horses you're the five soil for christoph. Amonte is coming over from europe. Where she's on three race winning streak and really been pressing crystal coming off an allowance when you have support Stakes placings This winter and spring delta's kingdom in always shopping so tons and tons of good horses. But i i think i once again. Adamant that warlike goddess is good enough to beat this field and now we're going to move onto the final race on the gulfstream card. The florida derby. I have a preview for this. It's going to be up on youtube within the next day. So i will lead this to eric. I will just say though that. I am going to be taking the favorite greatest honor in the florida derby. And if you've been listening last two months how many greatest honor in his last two wins which is probably why talking to you and to me that i'm going against him but i am because with greatest honor. It's an the pace both times that he's been really able to benefit from peace fountain of youth was know super hot but enough for him to go into good. Horse does not need the quickest paces in the world to win Off the piece. But i think it's gonna be slow this this this this raise the soup and sandwich collaborate. They're real you're only speed and they're not exactly looking to to break any records they're going to be doing it at their own rhythm and tempo everyone everyone else is a stopper to close there. There's really no no other forces that are gonna run holes in the wind. So i went with a long shot and i can't believe this horses twenty two one on the morning line of all and that's what he goes off their post time. He's snaps napster gift. You better be at least putting this horse in in some exotic place for show. Because there's no way he doesn't run a good race. That's the soup and sandwich for cassie to answer to starts We've we've covered with with both of those winds on our our maiden allowance watch segment of songs praises every time he yes to turn experience those one at tampa he's gonna probably flourish on the mile and an eighth. In my opinion that's going to be optimum distance in. He's putting tons and tons of good numbers speak. Here's times fractions digital during impressive If you watched it allowance when at tampa it's really really boxed in. He had nowhere to go when he got through. He took off marchesi. Marchesi always has nice things to say about his courses. It's always a little confusing when it comes to your handicapping but i mean nothing but good things to say about soup and sandwich so i think he runs cheer at he gets. I run on greatest honor and thinks he went stabbing said in greatest honor runs on accepts more wants and i certainly would not throw them out of the derby pictured even little loss. And now we're gonna move over. We got three races turf way that we're going to preview all of these on the all weather surface on the first one that we're going to look to is the animal kingdom. This is a six and a half furlong off stake for some horses that you think can be correct that these are grass horses but getting a race under them at turf in the first one that i'm going to look to is the horse and i'm to pick this reason. I one that i'm going to touch on is out the door for turner. Wesley this is a horseshoe going into the breeders cup. Eric will tell you was very highly touted going into the race Didn't run a bad race at all. Good nice third-place. Finish fire wills a really really good turf force. Don't let that fountain of youth performance discourage he's going to be a really nice tur- force he also lost to the place battleground. Who himself is a really nice horse. Don't didn't love the remington park but that was on the dirt. He's not running on the dirt. This time. i would expect him to run a lot better than he did. In that and run similar to what he ran when he was running kentucky doubts for that reason. He's going to be my pick in here. And this is a good deal i highly. I know it's only a sixty five thousand dollar steaks but you gotta tune in to this one. This is a fun field of forces that are on. The rise can be good. Dirt can be good turf sprinters. Lots of your ongoing with the two. R's ac and pray for redemption as if you watch this last this horses last race and you bet on him especially you know how bad it was. This was a really bad race. I don't know if it was. I wrote tease or if it was the horse himself. But he was loaned to be a rental egypt took off when forty four and four for the half mile in a mindless keith race. It was just bad before that you had to really nice winds one on the grass one on the unimpeded up at woodbine going. Six furlongs in looks amazing in both. I'm hopeful hill revert to that especially given he has the all weather in sprinting experience under his belt and in run a big one. Here he's gonna have some company on the front end with some of the other speed presences in here. But i genuinely east faster than everyone else. Here they'll be able to sustain that Jumped enough going six and a half in in pick this result. Plus i obey ronald as in writing detroit meteorites credit. He's ever net so that's another extra addition often happen the source. And now we're gonna move onto the bourbon oaks. The kentucky oaks prep on the turf way card and for this race. It gives me another angle that i really really like to use a horse. Who has success over the surface a turf way And i'm looking to the jonathan thomas trained into vanishing daughter of intimacy. If this horses won two straight at turf way to for two. So she loves the surface there This is another one of these wide open races but I like that you know. She's seventy two on the morning line. I like that. She's around that odds And like i mentioned always like success over the surface to windsurf way. It worked for me the last time we did a race One of these prices at turf way with hush for storm going to take that same gamble with inter vanishing in this race for me. We haven't really been able to talk about. Brad cox that much in our in our previous so far so i might as well go to one of his forces in here in adventuring none golfing warsi top plenty bucket dolphin. We haven't been a couple of races in in dubai so might as well give them a a. Us horse adventuring funny story with this. She's three races in her career. Every single one of them has been taken off the turf and it makes sense. They want to get around the church to five hundred mile. Not a sire all out of question. Great one winning mayor right there on the also Started her career on the turf In in britain so she has that experience adventuring though really broke through in her last one one by six and a half on. The derek was really impressive. Set a great stalking trip and they just drew off even more impressive. You look at some of the horses. She's lost too early in her career. She lost to at second asking finished. Second to was we'll see gr- who is one of the as some of those points on tro right now so she's been keeping company to sit good stocking trip behind the leaders in given that pedigree give they wanted to put her on the. I've good she'll take to be just fine so boston like about this philly thing. She'll probably go favorite. But honestly i'm okay with that and the final race that we're going to preview on this episode is the jeff ruby six hundred points for the kentucky derby trail. And this is the other doug o'neill horse talked about. We had a lot to do doug o'neill this week and definitely a this horse is going to be one that we have a lot of things to say about. Both eric and i like the number twelve hockey dad in this race. Doug o.'neil he's ten on the morning line. You get anywhere near ten to one on this horse. Bet him anywhere. Just throw some kind of small wager on him. Whether it's even just a dollar show wager. Bet this horse in some facet. This horse has three wins in four career starts and all three of those have come in his last starts lost on his debut but three straight wins since two of them on the turf. He looks like a. He has won on the dirt. Also so he's not a horse. It's out of the question for the kentucky derby ten to one right now really really like those odds really really liked the consistency. And i think that he's gonna take to the surface at turf way just fine. You know there's a lot of horses in here that are coming out of some states efforts tarantino gretzky. The great was a great one winner at two. Hasha storm was the winner of the john. Battaglia the local prep of this race and like a king for wesley ward horses. That are all in here. That are going to have a chance there. Lower than him on the odds board But at the end of the day. I think hockey dad. There's a couple of courses in here that are coming out of allowance races that i think are better than some of those steaks runners but i think hockey dad is the best of that group and then jack said i'm also really high on hockey dad. Your three straight wins. He obviously needed the first race news on huge sense especially getting up to turns. Last time i was very very impressive. He'd be some pretty nice calibrates in that spot. This is i run against company. That's probably the biggest concern. In addition to the outside post but in terms of the outside posters pretty long run to clubhouse turns he should be able to get good position in the spot that being said this is a tough tough rix. I'm i think every single one of the top four from the battaglia memorial has a chance. I think that Tarantino has a huge shot in here i think a dynamite. The eleven as a big chance in your i think institute a wide open race but i wanted to take my shot. jack just happened to land on the same horse here. In hockey dad is gonna love the surface. I might add. He does have his turfing dirt leans. He's his damn has produced winners on on synthetic surfaces already in nyquist Hasn't had many offspring do that but they've been Surface has not been an issue with him either so tons and tons to like about hockey dad in this spot. I think another worst annoyed. The longshot Close second tarantino. He ran some good races down toward of behind. Greatest obviously ships into the easier spot. Easier to get the derby points if he runs second here. He's one hundred and in the derby starting gate. So if you're looking for kinda the same for pig probably tarantino but you're you're shot should definitely be the twelfth hockey dead and with that being said. That's it for this week's episode. We'll be back for some more kentucky derby action next week. Recap in these races as well as super saturday kentucky derby three one hundred point preparations Including the derby favourite as of now essential quality getting his final prep in before the kentucky derby so we have all that to look forward to thank you for stopping by. Good luck this weekend. We'll see you next time. Have a good one.

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Equine Forum - May 23rd 2020

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Equine Forum - May 23rd 2020

"From the rail to your radio this is the horse racing radio network by unfurling laid at six. Think outside second portable still regard plumbing. Please don't duck either way. Victory Cal Buddies Kobe. Real quiet give leg-weary victory of real ways to one hundred twenty the Kentucky Derby Welcome to the equine forum presented by foreign paint dot com for outside of run. Jack About Giacomo. Surging ALEX CLOSING ARGUMENT. All those finals dog to win. Derby won thirty-one traffic final time Terry. Now here's Mike. Hello everyone a very pleasant good morning and once again. Welcome to the show. That launched a network. This is the forum presented all month long farm paint DOT com here on the Horse Racing Radio Network. Mike Baron of the backstretch happy to have all of you tuning in across North America on Sirius to nineteen. Xm To a one on our affiliates in Lexington Louisville and across the country and all of you listening digitally. You're doing that on our website at horse racing radio DOT net. Will you know there's certainly no shortage of headlines in thoroughbred racing this past week the big one of course involving the Belmont stakes which for the first time in history will be contested as the first leg of the triple crown and will be run at eight significantly shorter distance of a mile and an eighth as opposed to the mile? And a half that we're used to seeing. I'll talk more about that in just a minute. In other news racing secretary Ben Huffman and his team at Churchill downs have put together just an unbelievably tremendous eleven race card this afternoon if features five stakes races including the grade. Three Matt Win where we're GONNA see undefeated grade one winner. Max `field make his highly anticipated three year. Old debut in the colors of Godolphin it. I'll visit with Jimmy Bell the president of Godolphin. Us operations coming up in just a little bit at eight fifteen eastern. We'll talk to him about Max `field and about all GMS who is going to take on sharing returns in the one hundred thousand dollar Tappin. Stakes sharing the winner of the breeders. Cup Juvenile fillies turf will be making her three year old debut later today to and that should be a lot of fun to watch Graham motion. Her trainer will be with me at nine o'clock eastern that card by the way at Churchill also offers a five hundred thousand dollar guaranteed all stakes pick five races seven through eleven so something for horse players to look forward to speaking pick FIS by the way and speaking of news of the Week. Charlestown announced this week that they will now be offering horse players. A fifty cent pick five on the last five races of the card with a ridiculously low twelve percent takeout. A Horse Players Delight. If you're a pick five player and if nobody selects all five winners seventy. Five percent of the pool is carried over to the next racing program so kudos to West Virginia to Charlestown for putting that together Our friends at Keeneland here in the bluegrass made some headlines This Week. Applying to run for a short five day summer meet. This is pretty cool. July eighth to the twelfth here in Lexington. That's going to allow them to schedule. Ten graded stakes which are traditionally run. During the April meet which of course had to be cancelled due to all of the concerns would covid nineteen the great to Bluegrass in the grade. One Ashland would be part of a unbelievable card on July eleventh and the Breeders Cup by the way still on schedule to be contested at keeneland November sixth and seventh in the first Breeders Cup challenge race in the US. Going to be held at Santa Anita coming up on Monday Memorial Day eleven horses have been entered into the grade. One shoemaker mile a win and you're in for the Breeders Cup Mile I'll be joined by Breeders Cup Executive Vice President of racing nomination store at Delgado at nine forty eastern time this morning toward the end of the program. She'll give you an update on where things stand with that challenge series now would tracks like. Belmont starting to at least announce their stake schedules. We've got a little bit of an idea of what we're looking at those racist she'll give you an update coming up. Nine forty eastern Ruidoso. Downs kicked off their meat yesterday and they run through Labor Day which is when they will host the most famous quarter horse race that you see in the sport the three million dollar grade one all American futurity and I'll be joined eight thirty five eastern time by General Manager. Jeff through to look ahead to what you can expect it. That rude Ruidoso downs meet Promises to be a blockbuster meet as always and this. Of course it's Memorial Day weekend a time to remember all of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice and service to our country and who better to reflect on the true meaning of Memorial Day than West Point graduate and founder of West Point thoroughbreds. Terry Finley I'll talk to him nine twenty eastern time so busy two hours coming up Jimmy Bell from Godolphin Eight fifteen eastern Jeff true from Ruidoso. Downs eight thirty five eastern time. Graham Ocean at Nine o'clock Terry Finley nine twenty two and Dora Delgado to wrap up program at nine forty. Of course our industry star of the week presented by Morris in between all of that so We're GONNA cover a lot of ground for you here this morning. That to the triple crown for a minute and the announcement from Belmont Park that the Belmont will be run June twentieth. Am I the only one disappointed that our sport couldn't come together to create a fall triple crown poker? Would that have been of course? It would required all three tracks working together. Which doesn't often happen in our sport and sadly it didn't happen here either. Churchill downs announced in March. They were the first ones they announced. In March that the Kentucky Derby would be Labor Day weekend Saturday September fifth the stronach group announced last Saturday that the preakness would be rescheduled for October. Third a month after the Kentucky Derby and then this past week naira the final domino to fall announce that their decision to run the Belmont stakes on Saturday June twentieth. And they would cut the distance mile and a half two mile an eighth in order to do that. So for the first time in history the will be run as the first race in the series of the triple crown. You know that doesn't bother me. And the reduced distance doesn't bother me as it did so many people who reacted out social media after the news came out this week. But if you're GONNA run the race four weeks from today then yet you have to cut the distance from a mile and a half because you you. You can't get a horse ready on short notice like this to go a mile and a half and do it safely and the Belmont by the way hasn't always been running a mile and a half. It was running a mile and an eighth in eighteen ninety three and eighteen ninety four. Now I know we're going back a ways that was at Morris Park. It was initially run in Eighteen. Sixty seven at a mile and five eight so the distance doesn't concern me and I think that the move to shorten the race considering it soon be run June twentieth. The right the right decision my issue with this whole thing is with the timing of the triple crown races and again. The only one disappointed that our sport couldn't come together to create a fall triple crown with a more traditional scheduling of the three races. The Belmont on June twentieth leaves US eleven weeks for the second of the triple crown the Derby on September eleven weeks and another four weeks to the last leg the preakness. I'm sorry but that is not a triple crown and if a horse. We've all three races this year. I don't see any way that you consider that horse a true triple crown winner and it's not because that the races are being run out of order but it's because of the timing of the three races and keep in mind the triple crown hasn't always been Derby preakness. Belmont thousand nine hundred thirty gallant Fox won the preakness eight days later. He took the Derby as the second leg and completed the triple crown three weeks after that in the Belmont stakes but he won the three races in about a one month span. Not Fifteen weeks like we're talking about here in two thousand twenty. That's ridiculous that is not a triple crown and you know looking at a fall triple crown and what might have been if all three entities have chosen to work together. Take a look at it now. You gotTA understand. Nbc dictates a lot of this because of their scheduling and when they can fit things in and they have been a wonderful partner for horseracing their TV schedule in the fall is largely revolving around their contract with Notre Dame football if you take a look at what that would look like in in best case scenario if you were to do it as a traditional fall triple crown traditional scheduling of the races. The Derby on September fifth is not an issue. There is no notre dame football. Obviously that's already locked in two weeks later September. Nineteen if you were to schedule. The preakness there as it normally would be two weeks after the Derby. Notre Dame plays Western Michigan. That's at two thirty eastern time so it does there might be a little finagling on the part of NBC. Wake this work but it does work you can still if the Derby the preakness doesn't run until almost seven o'clock at night that you give you plenty of time to get that out there on NBC and to make that work three weeks after that you run the Belmont stakes on October tenth. That's a no brainer. That's easy Notre Dame play Stanford at seven thirty now. This is all the swimming. There's even going to be college football this year but you have to go into it with the assumption that those games are going to happen when you schedule this and if you run the Belmont as the third and final leg a mile and a half on October tenth and you have a fall triple crown five weeks in between all three races. It leaves you one month between the end of the triple crown and the Breeders Cup at Keeneland November sixth and seventh. What's wrong with that Nella? I wasn't privy to those conversations that went on behind the scenes when Belmont and Nyra were talking about. Rescheduling the Belmont or win the stronach group was talking about rescheduling preakness but they moved it to the fall. So it certainly looks to me like Pimlico. Stronach group are willing to play ball. Doesn't look like Myra was. They were hell bent. I keeping that race in June for whatever reason doesn't look like they were team players here doesn't I don't know if you consider. Churchill a team player and again not being privy to those conversations how much churchill try to work with the stronach group and naira before they made their announcement of September fifth. Maybe a lot maybe not enough. Maybe not all just some to think about again. Disappointing to me. That somehow our sport and these three major entities couldn't come together for the good of sport to put together. What would have been an awesome thing? A fall triple crown and because of that fifteen weeks in between the three races come on. That's not a triple crown. And the Horse that wins. All three is not going to be considered a triple crown winner. And that's my poll question. Do you agree. Do you disagree with that? I want to hear from you you can go to. Hr on twitter horse racing radio network on facebook to let me know if a horse sweeps all three races in the triple crown this year. Is he a triple crown winner? Do you consider him a triple crown winner. That's probably a better way to say. Do you consider him a triple crown winner and you have to choices absolutely and no way. Let me know your thoughts. I say no way not even close not even now ridiculous. Very disappointing All right again very very busy program. We're going to cover a lot of ground We may touch on that subject again later in the program with one of our gas but when I come back I'm going to be joined by Jimmy Bell President of Godolphin's US operations. He'll talk about the talented Max deal making his three. They've you can't. 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Here's Max be old moving up on the outside to challenge Guvener Morris off the bar turn and Max field strides forward and takes the lead by a length and a half to lake. Look Final Furlong Guvener. Moore's second enforceable third. The rest are far back Max. Field Rep taking rod at the top of the stretch Hicks clear by six Max field to win the flavor and readers feature at a four Jose Ortiz. Welcome back to the equine form presented all month long by FAR PAINT DOT COM. Mike Penner with you from my home studio my producer. Lee Dela Pena is in our primary studio in the heart of the Bluegrass Lexington Kentucky and happy to have you back with me as Kurt. Becker brought him home with the call of the breeders futurity at Keeneland last October. And Max `field remaining perfect to for two and breathtaking was the word that Kurt used in the call and I think that's appropriate because this son of Darley Stallion Street sense has been nothing short of remarkable and everybody has been anxiously awaiting the return of maccesfield since he had to scratch prior to the Breeders Cup at Santa Anita this past fall. I know nobody anticipating this return more than Jimmy Bell. The president of Godolphin's US operations and he is with me now. Here on the Horse. Racing Radio Network Jimmy. Good morning my friend more and Mike. How're you doing? I'm doing well excited to see McAfee back in action later today value. I think quite a few others and I almost wanted to replay. That stretch called the of the flavoring beers dirty. Again that that It was breathtaking. And sort of. Get your juices flowing again anticipation. And that's certainly what we've been doing for quite a while but Days here we couldn't be more excited as I was listening to. Kurt's call coming out of the break I could. I could envision that move that Max `field made in that race and just sweeping by horses like they were tied to oppose Jimmy But impressed you most about field that day at keeneland well you know again In both the first two starts you know. He's a little tardy leaving the gate. And you Kinda your heart rate drops a little bit when you see him leave the gate. They go boy. You know in this grade one race like that. It's a little hard to make up all that kind of distance as you. Well know it's a short run to the finish line of Sixteenth poll. So a lot of times when you come out of that turned. You better better paid your spots. And the movie made beginning from the three eighths pole to the to the Top of the stretch and straightened away really was breathtaking. You don't see many horses that can truly circle field like that and just you know switch leads and draw the way did so Yeah it makes you makes you dream a little bit and and that was a legitimate grade. One performance yet. A Horse that Godolphin Brad. Obviously as I mentioned by street sense who stands at Darley here in in Lexington out of Bernardini mayor of Velvety. Tell me a little bit about the pedigree and the way this meeting came together from Max Field. Well as you know it really goes a little deeper than that it's you know. Velvety Miracle. Caress cat was a fantastic foundation. Mayor of the great harborview breeding and racing operation and You know as as you just mentioned Bernardini's got to be an unbelievable broodmare sire. And here you see at once again. You know his his Probably one of the youngest SARS that have soured as many grade. One winner says he's done so phenomenal breeding obviously on the bottom side and and straight senses certainly made his own noise as as a Siren. And we really really hopeful. That Max build is a type of horseshoe dream out that you always loved to see A young son of one of your stallions not only do well but nowhere. He's GonNa end up to yeah. We were all disappointed. We didn't get to see him strut his stuff in the Breeders Cup at Santa. Anita I told Brennan Walsh's trainer after the race that maybe that was a bit of a blessing in disguise. I in some respects because he could look forward to the first Saturday in May of course. Now it'll be the first Saturday in September but tell me about what these past few months have been like for Max `field sense scratching from Santa Anita Breeders Cup. Well you know you're exactly right. My you know you remember talking about it out the Breeders Cup and you know you always like to think. Perhaps there's there's there's the silver lining to this pretty dark cloud at the moment. And that's that sounds good philosophically speaking but Obviously a great disappointment At the time but it was never even a question mark as to what we're going to do and and Giving that time off and you know had that little ship removed it's given brandon all the time in the world to bring a horse along that that needed time you know. We always said he would does a two year old. Be a bonus because just he's a very much Is Our big tall or the likey immature looking but very balanced two year old? But you would envision what he might look like when he really hit that growing spurt until now is a three year old and and this time off You know to his advantage to the first four five months of the year. He's developed so much in filled out especially through his hand and got so much stronger and You know he's always had a phenomenal. Mental approach mental attitude. He's he's that's probably one of the greatest attribute mental toughness but the ability in time to really develop physically probably been the biggest key to where he is today and We really are. I don't know if you seem seeing on video. That was in the T and but he's certainly filled out the way we had hoped and He's a proper looking three-year-old. Obviously Jimmy you WANNA see him win today and you WanNa see him remain undefeated but I know. There's bigger goals up the road. So what are you going to be looking for when Max deal goes to the post later today? Well let's You know while while we're grateful to have all this time to sort of develop and catch up now. What he's done in the morning has been so pleasing every time. He's very willing very generous in the morning shuts off just like that when he comes off the track all the signs you WanNa see. He displays But let's be honest. He has run since Breeder Futurity at Cayman last October and He's stepping against very battle-tested horses that have all had at least three races this year. So that that's a question mark but you know. I think he's that type. Of course that doesn't need a lot of practice runs. Obviously you could tell his two year old career Surprisingly in his first race that he was able to get the job done there so I think that he's got the added benefit of a very good mind and I think that's probably going to be as big a factor as you come back and sort of not always stick your toe in the water. But you know you're probably get right to do some swimming here so I think he's physically ready. I think he's always had the mental capacity. And you know you just hope that The time off. There isn't too much rust. They're men and I just I. I have a feeling that he's ready to perform so again. You know it's rare that you're going to sit here and say you have no excuses but today we have. No excuses might have something later this afternoon but we're just very fortunate to be in a position where are both physically and mentally talking with Jimmy. Bell here on the Horse Racing Radio Network President of Godolphin's US operations. Jimmy let me go out on a limb here and say that if Max field doesn't win the grade three met wind today. You'd be okay with number one mystic. Get getting the victory the other one racing in royal blue. Well that's an interesting conversation. Actually Misty God missed a got. Is You know his his Got A lot of attention and breaking his maiden. I don't know if you're sheep follow or not but You know both have very very similar. Sheep numbers in their first starts. Their second starts In breaking his maintenance the second start going to turns misty guy got got an eight. I believe eight on the sheets and And and when Mexico won the breeders thirty guys seven three quarter. So you know they`re. They're both shown phenomenal ability. But what we really didn't WANNA do Is have to run each other run against each other again so early in the year as well. So the entry of Mr Guide into this race was an was a last resort Mike stem is a very conservative guy by nature not wanted to really just want to break your maintenance jump into deep in but you know we all had to. Kinda shuffle a deck here and and with racing on hold and so many places. They're just this was really the only opportunity to run at that time since then. Belmont came out with their book. There's a nice allowance race on June fourth going and sixteen amount eighth. I believe. And that's really what we prefer to do. Some misty guide now the race to point towards. We're running the allowance race. Belmont and and These won't see each other all right. Well there you go you're have mystic get and Max `field not going to match up here today but How about arms in the in stakes? Another godolphin runner been brilliant undefeated. Now she has to take on sharing he returns after winning the Breeder's cup juvenile fillies turf. Tell me a little bit about arms. Well it's hard to improve off a four for four so she's one of those you know. We started sprinting. In the first two races and then stretched out to a mile and and Senator to California Jimmy around at del Mar and you know she won that very impressively When you go when you go three for three and want to give her every opportunity. Winter gave her a little rice down. Fairgrounds in anticipation of some big races. King them back up in New York so again like everybody Mike. You know we've had to kind of reshuffle the deck and You know again. There's so many top horses ready to run with nowhere to go. And now when you have some racing dope enough you you look up here and you say GonNa run against the Beers Cup. Beautiful winner here In your first start you know of this season. So a tall order. Graham's got a great philly and sharing Eddie Canal. He's got a nice feeling there as well as done nothing wrong. And unfortunately you know we're in the fourteen hole there but No this really has shown nothing but class and everything she's done so This is a jump in the deep end. But we're going to know what we have come out of this race today. As far as the quality of what she can do against the top phillies and quite honestly we. We thought she deserved the opportunity to be running spots. Like this Oh You know very very nice cities if Philly of an empire maker mayor that has really got a great turn of foot and Again I keep talking about this mental disposition. She too has a great great Mental Outlook Yeah. It's so important and often overlooked with these good horses arms. Has IT MAX field has it for sure You also have three horses scheduled to go to the post in the war chance stakes which would be race eleven as the final race on the program right after the Matt Win picks shared sense in Herodotus are all going to run in there all three or go to run their. Maybe maybe three different reasons. But they're all GONNA show up As you can tell actually shared sense was the possibility for the Matt. Win and speak with Brad Cox Jimmy You know again. We're not looking to run their own horses against each other. Not that we don't but in this particular case with Matt when we really wanted to The focus had always been with with Max build and and secondly misty God if there was no other place to run and share sense You know he's a very very competitive oarsmen. A very very tough allows race down. Oklahoma's last art and back Cox says I've always wanted to run this this little cold on the grass. I just have a feeling that he may really take the turf. Nothing we just discussed it a little bit further and said this might be a great time. 'cause you know really as we say we surely didn't want three in the win and trying to spread them around quarterly so he's he's a an unknown factor and with ability Of A nice mayor collective. Who's the daughter composure and Another street sense. And you know Brad Cox just said let's let's give this a world which so this is unchartered territory for him but think he's got the to to give a good account itself and You know pixelated cities colts. It's done nothing wrong You know has the closing ability in and of course Harare this was last week. Starts shows the ability to kind of control the pace and These turf races you know. Kinda Kinda gotta get the right trip to begin with so we've got some in the front some of the middle and some we don't know yeah well three horses in the royal blue in that war chant and again a very busy day you'll see a lot of royal blue on the race track at. Churchill later this afternoon Jimmy Bell. Nice not to spend some time with me here. This morning Jimmy. Listen Good luck this afternoon. The one thing I didn't get to and I have to get to a break is To ask you about that Godolphin philosophy because you have to be feeling so privileged to be part of that team because they just do things right From the top all the way down. And we'll do that at some point in the future but good luck here today. Go get it done and appreciate the visit here this morning. Thank you so much in order to be a part of the team and and thank you for everything that you do as well. It's great to show these stories. Thank you right Jimmy. Jimmy Bell here on the horse racing radio network like all of our guests appear on the program. We're GONNA send Jimmy a gift. Courtesy of embraced the race. The apparel for the horse racing lifestyle. Where would you love and embrace your passion at embraced the race dot com time now for your lexus? 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The Hollywood park had been especially groomed to be as fast as the one armed paperhanger in a four room apartment. Two hour deadline. The anticipation was high amongst the patrons on this day for the import of a possible record breaking performance trying to emiss- Kenney said lately and openly that his or swaps lower citations world mark. One thirty three three four. The flat mile record that had stood since nineteen forty nine as the horses broke from the starting gate. It was expected that the very speedy Bobby Bronco with longer than the saddle would go to the front ca. Try TO STEAL IT. But Bill Shoemaker got swaps out of the box like rocket down along defense and he was not about to allow himself to get shut up by the speed horses outside of them going into the turn. Swaps established a clear. Lead going into the clubhouse. Turn shoemaker realize Longdon with resigned to playing the waiting game settling in just off the pace with Bob Rococco Schumacher turned that strategy to his own advantage while keeping lots of horse and reserve setting the early fractions swaps out on open. Lead all the way down the backside while turning in twenty two and three quarter forty five and one for the half and eight and two for the first six panels as the field swung through the fire. Turn the glistening California Sunlight Longdon Betas expected. Move with Bobby Bro. And with a quick burst of speed got his mount setup to shoemakers boot on the leader. The shoe went to the stick cracking the flank of swaps with hard liquor swaps. Responded we get and move clear the wreck cells worth on four your old hell sway during the run down the lane and all is right now on the timer which flashed one thirty three and one is. He hit the wire a new world record. 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And what a great caller he was and we remember world champion win a lot of cash. Who won that race in one so many big races and looking forward to visiting with Jeff through the general manager of Riodosa downs? That comes up here in just a minute But want to remind you that if you are looking for live streaming and replays from nearly any race track out there. All you have to do is check out. Rt AND DOT TV. The race track television network are has the most HD content of any streaming service and is available on many devices including TV's PC's tablets smartphones coup and Amazon Fire TV. And how about this as a special treat for all of our listeners if you use the Promo Code Capital H. R. N. All capital Letters. You're going to get the first seven days of live streaming and replace absolutely free. Just go to Artesian DOT TV and sign up now wells. I mentioned Jeff. True is at Ruidoso downs. He is the general manager. They kicked off their me yesterday. They'll go through labor day when they will host the all American to three million dollar a grade one race and jeff boy. Congratulations on a successful start to the meat and looking forward to the next couple of months. Thank you my good morning. We're looking to looking forward to it. Also yeah it should be great. You know that all American when you think about what that race means not just to Ruidoso downs but what it means to the sport. As a whole it's it's equivalent to the Kentucky Derby Right. It's certainly our version of the derby biggest race of the year. It probably drives most of the the yearling purchases and a lot of the speculation throughout the year. Ken We breathe or buy a horse. That can you know go that quarter mile and September first. You're the first Monday in September and say it's You know it's the cap of our triple crown all three races which are run here though so and I believe Mike and I've looked around a bit. I believe it's the richest two year old horse race on the planet There's a big two year old race in Australia but at three million dollars there's not Not any that. I've found that topic. Yeah the money is great and you know the the races leading up to that day on Labor Day throughout the entire meet you have all the trials and the yet the Rideau so derby which is on June. Sixth there are several highlights drought the meat. So Jeff go ahead and fill people in what they can expect. When they tune in to the races at Route Elsa downs thereto sedans is You know tucked away in the mountains about seven thousand feet here in South Central New Mexico. We run those traditional dates memorial day to Labor Day every year and we start off the meat like we did yesterday with Radoslav futurity trials and what that means. Is You know the triple crown is made up of the Rideau so the rainbow and the all American. We have a two year old and a three year old division for each of those triple crown events. The two year olds obviously in. May Most of them are non starters when they enter the trials so we have. We had two hundred seventy seven two year old. Puerto Horses enter the trials a week ago. We split those time trials into two days so the five fastest from yesterday and the five fastest from the trials later. Today we'll come back on June seventh and run fridge. Million Dollar purse will run derby trials. Eleven of them on Sunday and ten of those horses will come back and run for about nine hundred and fifty thousand. So that's the first leg we'll come back while the fourth of July weekend we'll run the rainbow the same way. So the Rados is three hundred and fifty yards. The rainbow is four hundred yards and we get to the American. We'll run those time trials in the middle of August with the plans to come back to the finals. The futurity and the Derby On Labor Day weekend that's had a quarter mile and a horse that wins all three few charities. We'll get a two million dollar bonus. The horse that wins all three derbies will get a one million dollar bonus. And you know it's a pretty lucrative racing program business and you've got a triple crown futurity winner you're talking about nearly four and a half to five million dollars in total purses for the summer. That's a pretty big incentive and it's what drives our our horse sales is what drives our Quarterhorse Business Nationally. You WANNA say nationally-know. We're primarily a south western oriented business and it's one of the courses came from That's where they're they're dominantly. Bread predominantly Raised and bred here in the South West and and our program kind of anchors. The Business Talking Jeff through the general manager of Rita slowdowns here on the horse racing radio network again. They're meet began. Yesterday it runs all the way through Labor Day. Jeff you're like so many other race tracks or I guess every other race track you are operating in what we call a new normal doing it without fans in attendance which means that the product is made for TV in some respects and People can wager on it from all over the country. How does it work? How are you handling this new normal? And how can people access the the racing? And how can they wager on it? Re those sit downs has Has the good fortune albeit not this year but the good fortune of having very high on track. Attendance and handle about fifty percent of our total handle is done right here on the racetrack in typical years. So not having fans is pretty painful to us but to answer your question. I mean we have re purposed much of our marketing money. Much of our focus from it on track event oriented resort. You know weekend event To digital platform and we we put some money into our eighty w partners Promotional Ski Schedules We're talking to you today. We're talking about how you can get to read though so through twin spires. Tv G expressed bit naira bets and two dozen other eighty w partners. We've done some things internationally with fixed odds worse racing partners but you can go to the race RIODOSA DOT COM website. Run on the top banner. You can find the program the the link to the RT in live Live streaming and replay center. We've got tips and selections and we've got history and how to bet. We've Kinda repurpose our schedule. Our promotions to a digital presence changed our our pre game show to a studio show instead of one. That's live out in front of a the fans and the in the grandstand so it's You know Mike. I hope it's not the new normal. We recognize that You know there's an evolution to do this thing and to getting back to our regular normal which is a lot of fans in the grindstone. Because that's what makes radio so work. Yeah and you know like so many other tracks. You have to be adaptable in this environment. That we're operating in and it sounds like Jeff you've done just that you mentioned the wagering were folks income wager online now to help make up for the the wagering that you would lose. Would people typically onsite? But the thing I like to is that you're offering free programs on your website which I guess you kind of have to be hard to sell them but boy what a perk that is you can go there. Download the program and just watch and wager right there at the race. Riodosa DOT COM. And what more could you ask for? Well you know we're we're not teen and Saratoga and DEL Mar. We're not above the fold nationally. We have some. We have a lot of following regionally and we have about two hundred thousand people come to the racetrack every summer. About half of those folks come from Texas and primarily Lubbock Amarillo Midland Odessa. El Paso In Texas you can't even open an eighty w account unfortunately and further in New Mexico and Mexico resident while he may have a AWA account he cannot wager on New Mexico content. I mean that's a quirk in New Mexico law. It's a you know in my view. It's a travesty in Texas and I can say that because I am a Texan but you know. Our digital capability is somewhat limited. So we felt like we had to go over the line and and do what we can to promote Our product to a larger of broader audience and putting those programs out there for fans to download for free. It's an expense to us but we feel like it's worth it and it's an investment to get folks to take a look at Rideau sedans. I mean some of your third but players. That may not have seen quarterhorse racing. I would just tell you that there are. There are fewer variables. Handicapping quarterhorse racing partly. Because it's a short race and specifically because we've got a bunch of Non Starter. Two year olds that have only had schooling works which are on video and a couple of other works in preparation. So you know. Part of the thing with quarter or steel. Can I buy or breathe a better horse than you? And can we point to a race early in the summer without ever trying these horses and win a Big Pot? I mean that's the challenge for gamblers. It's following that mantra of connections breeding preparation conditions and And trying to decipher a winner. And we think we've got a good product and You know we've got a few high volume players that agree with us and there's a lot of guys like the Edberg Arts of the world that That have taught us how to best and it kept puerto racing and it's watching replays and and digging into the connections and the breeding will. I'm glad you bring that up Jeff. Because we earlier in the conversation we drew a parallel to the all American and the Kentucky Derby and if we were talking about being just over three months away from the Kentucky Derby we would have all kinds of rankings and we would have debate over which horses were true contenders which forces might be pretenders on the first Saturday in. May How about the all American is there. Are there some things there that people can grasp on to follow horses along the road to the all America or is it completely different where you have horses? Just kind of emerging. From Week to week you know even during the summer There are races around the country. The certainly the Rados if utility and the Rainbow futurity speak well to the horses that will compete in the all American but their horses come from California Oklahoma from Texas and Louisiana. That have competed well there and when you see them come to the mountain how they react to the mountain. The altitude the change in scenery the You know the thinner air the racing surface how they adapt this area in this. Climate will say a lot but typically if you look and I've done it over the last twenty to thirty years where the horses that win the All American come from it's primarily the rainbow futurity the rainbow trials or run the the fourth of July weekend typically and horses that compete. Well in the trials even if they don't qualify to the rainbow typically do well in the all American trials and and. I can't tell you why I can just tell you that. That's the case. And when they get to that quarter-mile trial that last hundred yards is a tough go. I mean the air is thin. These sources have been going summer You're looking for a horse. That has the breeding to go that distance while a quarter mile may not sound like a long distance. When you're giving it a hundred and ten percent that's about all I can. Do you know when he lucas told me one time he said look good. Horse can give you a sixteen. And he's talking about thoroughbreds can give sixteenth of a mile at one hundred percent a pretty good horse can give you a eighth of a mile but a really great horse can give you a quarter mile at one hundred percent with these quarter horses. It's one hundred percent all the time. So what you see at the wire is is what that horse is and you know a quarter mile for two year old first week of September. That's a tall order and when they do it in twenty one and a half seconds. It's It's something to see. Just a special special event in their. Ob several special moments throughout that me about it runs through Labor Day you can go to race riodosa DOT COM to learn more to get free. Pp's into place your wagers and we encourage you to do so. It's going to be a lot of fun and Jeff. True with me here on the Horse Racing Radio Network Jeff. Listen I really appreciate the support of everything we're doing here on the network and We'll talk with you later on the meat and we'll keep We'll keep people informed as to what's happening throughout the remainder of the meat to my friend. I invite all your favorite players to give us a shot. it's a fun thing to watch and if you ever get a chance to come up to the mountain we'll show you a good time. I'm all in Jeff. True here on the horse racing radio network enjoy the weekend. Jeff thank you all right then like all of our guests who appear on the program. We're going to send Jeff gift courtesy of embrace the race the apparel for the horse racing lifestyle. Don't forget that you can wear what you love and embrace your passion by going to embrace the race dot Com. I'll get through another break when I come back to your industry star of the week and I'll get you set for the second half of the program. This is the form on the Horse Racing Radio Network your home. 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My first grade one win as a trainer so just brings back great memories and She she's just been a wonderful horse to be a part of. Why is she so special? What makes her so good. Yeah I just think she's so honest you know. She tries each and every time You know what I mean. Doesn't come up with excuses. She so tactical you know being could be on the lead comes off the pace and I mean she just has that will to win the desire and I mean just to see her and obviously we. She's a seven year old now and and she's three three and twenty twenty and it just it just seems to be getting better and better as time goes. What did you see in her? That led you to claimer in two thousand seventeen for just that sixteen thousand dollar tag you know claiming that Gulfstream's is is a tough you you go in for so many horses and and I mean we were just looking for a horse that we could bring back to woodbine maybe win a race or to have a little fun with obviously never anticipating anything that's happening now but you know when We got out for a Lotta horses prior to her and when she came along I liked their forum She had predominantly been sprinting and She had just kind of started running. I mean beyond five furlongs and and She just kept seeming like she want a little bit more ground. When I washed the replays and and I just thought you know what I may be. Stretching her out a bitchy might Might really kind of appreciate that and you might see a little bit better of a horse so we dropped our hat in the bucket and we won a three way shake for that day and the rest of the history if you hadn't gotten out shook for the horses that you tried to claim before her. Do you think you would have gotten her? How tough to say you know. Probably in all and all probably probably not got one and it might have been about bad one we would have been kind of scared to go back in again or Just kinda matter quota mean what what made the case be but I'm sure sure sure. Happy that We their shift on the other ones. That's for sure because we didn't want to take so the sovereign awards were supposed to be held in April but because of the situation would covid nineteen. They were postponed and the Jockey Club. Canada I thought did a phenomenal job putting together a virtual sovereign award presentation which was available online as you're watching the presentation and you see her name as one of the finalists for Champion Female Tur- force which I think she was probably the favorite in that category horse of the year. As you're watching that horse of the year announcement. Tell me about that moment. Where were you what was going through your mind there? Yeah so I'm in my living room Kind with my family and we're obviously watching that point so I'm kind of on the tip of my like rocking chair that I kinda got there and on the side. My wife got me kind of almost like isolated from the family because of Cova nineteen coming through the tracks. She's a little kind of a little. You know what I mean strict with some rules at the house. So he's got my own little corner set up so I'm on the edge of my seat at that moment. Waiting kind of Get Him in here. Who the winners it'd be and obviously you know what I mean. You're going up against the horse of Pink Floyd that's I mean six for six already horse of the year. So you know it's GonNa be a cold call and I it's not a shoo-in I mean. Obviously I was a little by and I thought you know she. She deserved to win her being a grade. One winner and and being a you know she traveled to. Saratoga ran a good race in the Boston. Spa so a soon as they kind of announced just prior to them announcing the name they flash up you can see the horses a picture of the Horse because the Philly come up and I could tell it was her and my son. He was sixteen Joshua Him and I just exploded. And then we were like yeah and Just embracing to be honestly. I think that's the first time I've hugged him since arriving from Florida In being quarantine in my own house where the two weeks mandatory isolation we have here in Canada when arriving from the US or out of province so it was just a thrilling moment and then my wife kind of goes through US afterward. How did you guys know she? It was her name going to be called right. It was just an unbelievable feeling and in the only thing that would have topped off honestly if I was able to kind of obviously share that moment with the owners because they've been really good to me. showed a lot of confidence by long-needed to kind of continue to train the Philly They could have given her. Anybody obviously North America But they chose to kind of keep her with me and and I appreciate that and It's I mean it's just it's been a great Great right yeah. Great Ride Indeed Kevin Itar now the trainer of Canadian horse of the year and starship jubilee. Congratulations to him and to that very special mayor into the owners as well our number two features Graham motion coming up in just a couple of minutes Terry Finley from West Point thoroughbreds with a Special Memorial Day tribute and then Dora Delgado from Breeders Cup toward the end of the show. Get to all of that when I come back right after we pause ten seconds for station identification. This is the horse racing radio network from the rail to your radio. This is the horse racing radio network. Talk Bigots Kentucky Derby big in the wrentham roses five welcome to the equine forum presented by Foreign Paint Dot Com animal kingdom. His town sing lights in the Tomas. Ascot animal kingdom on the outside. Who goes going? Ma'am I tell Nice. I'm running I'm all kingdom. When American firing line put third to the Finnish American? A fuck tugging now. Here's Mike Welcome back hour number two the equine form rolling on very busy morning getting ready to welcome in trainer Grand Motion Momentarily but WANNA remind you that if you missed any portion of the first half of the program or any of our shows you can go back to our website horse racing radio dot net. Listen at your leisure my interview with Jimmy Bell from Godolphin in the first half of the program along with Jeff true from Riodosa downs. Again those interviews available for you on our website after we finish up at ten. Am Eastern this morning? They'll be there horse racing radio dot net in horse racing radio network on Apple podcasts. A poll question of the day. The answers coming in quickly on twitter and on facebook by the way you can go to. Hr In on twitter horse racing radio network on facebook if a horse sweeps all three triple crown races this year. Do you consider them a triple crown winner. Gave you two choices. Absolutely and no way I fall on the side of no way. I don't think there's any chance that you consider them. A true triple crown winner even if they sweep while three considering the spacing in between the races But it looks like most of you disagree. Sixty three percent saying absolutely keep those votes coming in all update them later in the second half of the show. Well Graham motion is with me. Now he has saddled More than twenty hundred winners in his career. Four Breeders Cup winners and one of them returning to the races later this afternoon in the tappan that is the ultra talented. Breeder's cup juvenile fillies turf winner Sharing Graham. Good morning my friend. Hey Morning Mike. Thanks for having me. Yeah thanks for spending a few minutes Look sharing was so so good last year. And let's start by looking back on that win the juvenile fillies turf. You join me afterwards. I know you were ecstatic with the performance. And you should be. Yeah I mean look. It was a thrill me especially to train to mum That was a big deal for me when shared account one churchill. So you know to come back with her daughter and essentially neater just. The Breeders Cup is so special to me anyway so I'm thrilled to be a part of it and when you win one it's extra special. No doubt all. She rattled off in a row. Capped it off with that win in the juvenile fillies turf and now she makes her three year old debut coming up this afternoon in that one hundred thousand dollar tap stakes at Churchill. Take me back through the past few months since that Breeders Cup win. What have they been like for sharing so originally would targeted the Tampa Oaks On the earth and the first time I breezed it down a Gulfstream. I thought she came back a little stiff. Not ghosting Palm Meadows. I'm sorry on the turf. And maybe she overdid it a little bit that day. I think she went a in forty eight and change The grand was quite firm so and then I put our heads together and just decided we'd get it back to the fair hill where she could train on the synthetic Which she's familiar with and kind of had the idea pointing for the hilltop pimlico on preakness we can so. We're really not behind schedule It was great when the tap and he showed up on the schedule at Churchill. So this is kind of been our targeted percents and really. We haven't had any hiccups She's pretty much pretty regularly every week and done things very pleasingly. I would say we always talk about that. Development Graham of a horse from two to three and how significant those months can be What were some of the things that you were looking forward sharing and hoping to see as she moved into her three year old season well possibly you could even say it was a bit of a surprise that she was so precocious at the two year. Old he's grown a lot over the winter. I mean even sort of before the Breeders Cup. She'd grown a lot from the summer but I think over the winter. She's really matured. I think the often you'll see sort of a much bigger mature mayor But have traits changed. Which is really encouraging. She's still very kind to be around Very level headed and I've just been pleased with her works. I've worked with rancor WHO's one of my better mares pretty regularly. It's not often that you breathe three roles with older horses at this time of year. So you know. I think that's a sign of confidence that I have in her and I think he's handled everything very well so I'm pleased. I'm excited to get US started. It is not an easy race. I mean fact that it's a hundred thousand listed race really it could be a group to In the middle of the summer. Yeah it came up really salty as they say and I had a chance to visit with Jimmy Bell from Godolphin earlier. He talked about arms who is undefeated. She takes on sharing in there But she's not the only one you have to worry about size up the competition for me. No look at the great race. It's a great betting race. I think the fact that you know Grad getting back to racing. It's tough for us as trainers and owners because the race is are so competitive but I think the flip side of that is that they make great betting races great spectator races. Very exciting to watch They're really deep field. And I think I'm sure I haven't looked at the other races closely today but I'm sure you can say that about all the races today certainly the allowance race that I mean might as well be a great three the the the boys allowance race on the graph. I think it's sufficient for tough. Yeah super tough you know. Look that's the thing I mean Ben Huffman Told me last week that you know it helps when you're the only show in town but these fields are so good and horses come from all over it it. I thought makes it difficult to get into these racists from a trainer in an owner perspective? But once you're in you better have your running shoes on. Yeah and I think we all kind of knew that going into it but I think that's good I mean I think that's It's not meant to be easy. These races and I think from from the betting public and the from spectator point watching on television. I think it's thrilling race. It I think it makes makes really deep exciting races and this is what you're going to see a bell on to. I mean this is really like Saratoga in in June oh man yeah. It's a good way to put it Graham motion with me on the horse racing radio network. Grammy Mentioned Training. Schering's mother shared account to one the fillion turf in two thousand ten I know you talked about this back around the Breeders Cup time. And you said that she really didn't resemble her mother a whole lot. How about now that? She has grown up in developed as you talked about earlier. Are you starting to see more? Shared account her at all yet. Definitely I mean he had account was kind of a big lanky mayor Very Athletic And I would say sharing kind of filling that frame Very similar type. They have very similar disposition. Very kind I mean. They were shared account with easily. One of my favorite Mez. Partly just because you had this very kind demeanor and shows that trait with her grand motion here on the Horse. Racing Radio Network is a busy morning. I won't keep him too much longer. grandma throughout that poll question on twitter. You're never wanted to be shy about throwing out opinions on twitter Looked away the triple. Crown is set up this year with those three races and the large spacing in between the Belmont and the Derby and then a month to the preakness which will be the final leg. I say that if a horse all three wonderful kudos great job. You're great three-year-old. You're not considered a triple crown winner. Obviously most people are disagreeing with me on twitter. How about you? What do you say well? I put on twitter earlier this week. that it's going to be triple crown with an asterix and I think that's true. I I I don't think you can deny the fact that if a horse is capable of doing it. It's still an amazing feat. I I still believe they'll go down the triple crown winner. But it'll have an asterisk next to his name. Yeah I think so too. I just think you know look. It's because of the order of the races. I pointed this out that in nineteen thirty gallant Fox won the preakness is the first leg then took the derby and the Belmont but he won all three races within like a month time span and now you're talking about what eleven week gotta be more than that it'd be Fifteen weeks I guess in between all three races and that to me just doesn't add up to a. I think you're I think you're disrespecting the other triple crown winners if you put him in the same category yeah. There's no doubt there's been debate over the years about whether the triple crown should be changed. I mean part of what makes the triple crown. So Great. Is that the time between the races. It's it's very tough to do it. And it's not supposed to be easy and we went to years and years. Everyone's saying we need to change it because it is so hard to win it but actually that's ultimately what makes it the typical crowd. But I I don't take you know if a horse is capable of doing it this year. I still feel that. They're going to be a triple crown winner. I don't get the criticism of what the race tracks have done. I think everyone's played the hand that held in. What's just an extraordinary year? And I think quite frankly we just be grateful that you know it's going to be able to compete in these races even though the timing is going to be odd Yeah I think my only disappointment came with not scheduling a fall triple crown with the more traditional scheduling of the racist. Which I think could have been done when you look at the NBC television schedule with with Notre Dame football. I think it all could have worked out if everybody wanted to jump into the same boat and play together At least all three racetracks and I don't think that was the case But that was my only disappointment. Naira did the right thing by making the Belmont shorter since they're going to run it one month from today you can't ask courses to go a mile and a half it maybe touch on that for a quick second grand before. I let you go because people have been complaining about their reduction in distance. But if you have a horse's pointing for the Belmont your one month away you can't get that Horsera- to go mile and a half. Can you know? I think they did the right thing. I mean the only thing you question is maybe perhaps it shouldn't have been called the Belmont this year. Perhaps it should have just been the Peter Pan and maybe we don't run the Belmont but look. I'm not questioning anybody's done. I think everyone's tried to do what? Just been excruciatingly difficult complicated year and I. I think we're so lucky to be back racing. I feel extremely fortunate running church so and really look forward to Belmont Opening. Up and I'm appreciative of all the you know the hoops people have had to jump through in order to get us back racing and hopefully we'll get back racing in Maryland next week. Said he's trainer. Graham motion here on the Horse Racing Radio Network by the way. Graham celebrated his twenty eighth birthday yesterday so Graham Happy Birthday. Thank you Michael. Graham Ocean here on. Hr Grandma appreciate the visit. My friend good luck with sharing and all your runners today and moving forward to appreciate it. Thank you enjoy the races today. Great Racing Yep you YouTube. My friend Yeah it is great racing. He's right about that eleven races at Churchill downs. They have that five hundred thousand dollar guaranteed all stakes pick five which is racist seven through eleven although stakes races and The return of sharing the return of Max `field Who was also undefeated. Sharing is gonNA tackle. The undefeated alms in that race I mean come. On what more could you ask for? And then you throw in As Graham said his allowance race earlier in the program and he's got two horses in allowance. Races he has English be just Howard You throw in by the way. They're both in the same race or in race five together. That races as Salty's is it comes in. He said that could be a greatest stakes race. Yeah really really good card at Churchill. Coming up later today Coming up next Terry. Finley from West. Point thoroughbreds is GonNa join me. A course terry a graduate of West Point He'll spend a little time talking about Memorial Day. And what this weekend. 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Then Terry Finley of West Point thoroughbreds not only does he own west point thoroughbreds but he is a graduate of West Point in his served our country so terry first of all good morning and let me start by saying thank you for your service to our country. My friend so good morning. Thank you very much and Up Past that also long to all the veterans across the world And a lot of veterans in our business too so I say thank you to them. Yes so many you know Terry as somebody who is graduated from West Point in has i. I know you still do an awful lot with west point and you do everything you can to support them When when you think about Memorial Day what. What does this day mean to you? Well I tell you I was thinking about our talk today. You know. It's tough because there's so many things that we give. Thanks for and you know so. I think I think it runs the spectrum. What does does give us a chance. All of us to pause and to reflect to really give thanks to all those people in the past and that gave the ultimate sacrifice but now are serving. You know we we we think about it. And they're over two million people that are serving in the armed forces now today. You know that I mean. That's an astonishing number there. What three hundred sixty million people in America? So I think that over two million. They put the uniform on every day. It's I think a testament to our great country. You know I remember Terry Back when Uncle Cy was in the Kentucky Derby he was owned by wounded warrior. Stables chip. Mcewen I partnered with chip to host We at that time. Hris had a box it at Churchill box of six and I donated it to wounded warrior stable to host A group of Gold Star families and wounded veterans And it was rewarding things. Yeah one of the most rewarding things I've ever done and you know to to talk to those parents of the children that were lost into to talk with the veterans who had lost limbs and were just so positive and so thankful the be at the Kentucky Derby that was I forget about horse racing. That was one of the most rewarding things I have ever been part of in my entire life. Yeah so I definitely agree might get It it's tough when you try to put into words. The pain and suffering on one side but the real optimism for a great future All all those people that That are part of the other Gold Star family network. You know I I was thinking about it since the first world war there's been over six hundred and fifty thousand Americans that have given the ultimate sacrifice close. You know that that's an amazing number but so Y- of all the things you think about. You think what comes to mind. A lot for me is the fact that they've all those all those people that serving and to give the ACURA ultimate sacrifice right. They did it for us and our military now. We're going to do it for future generations and that's the beauty of America is is. We're we're constantly trying to get better I but the overriding factor overrunning thought is that freedom is not free and the great thing about Memorial Day's we have a shot to pause and to reflect and to to really give. Thanks and I do know that that means a lot to the people that Are are today wearing the uniform so I- I urge everybody you know To continue to pray and and to give thanks to the service members in our past our present and also a the kids who are are growing and are getting are going through their life that at one point in the future. They're gonNA join the military because really we need a strong military and there's no other organization. I mean bar none in the world. That's as strong and as as it is as effective as the military in America. So it's it you know we we do have our problems in our country But the one thing that every one of us can be proud of is our military and The all the service members that we have. So I You know those kind of things and thoughts really bring a smile to my face every time Every time I go into Memorial Day weekend and I'll be thinking about all those people over the next couple of days as I try to on a on a very regular basis but especially on Memorial Day. Yeah very well said and I can tell you this Everybody that Terry Finley Took the time to meet with some of those gold star families that I was privileged to be involved with it the Kentucky Derby back in two thousand fourteen and Terry I know that meant a lot to them and I don't meant a lot to you too. So thank you for taking the time to do that and You know look I mean. This is a as you said. A data reflected data to remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice. And we will do so over the next couple of days for sure And we thank each and every one of them for their sacrifices but Yeah look you are involved now with horse racing. And you have built West Point thoroughbreds into one of the premier ownership groups in the game Walk me back through how Terry Finley goes from being a west point graduate to now being one of the ownership titans in the sport of thoroughbred racing. How'd you get involved? Well I think I I spent eight years in the military but I always loved the Horse Business. I remember as a kid I worked at the race track and you know I worked on a race Horse Farm in New Jersey Colts Neck New Jersey and I always in back of my mind that if if I add a shot you know if there was some way and there was some how I could get into the business and I could in a sustainable way I was going to try to do it so I got out in nineteen ninety four And I I said you know if I'm ever GONNA I I've gotta do it now and I just remember I said. Let me give this until I was aged. Thirty five which was probably six or seven years after that And I'll I'll try to make it sustainable and You I'd say you take it back to the military you know one of the things that the military teaches you and I think is very beneficial to young kids the put the uniform today it teaches you to be persistent and it teaches you to to to push through and the and keep going and I I you obviously you have to have those traits to be successful in any line of work or any endeavor and I really think it's helped me with my outlook In the racing business especially the first of my career when things weren't as easy. I'm not saying they're easy now. But you know trying to get something started in the business where you didn't really have a background And any contacts in the business. That was a challenge. But that's the beauty of our business is everybody has a shot if you come and you work and you work hard every day you do the right things on a regular basis you know you have a shot to get In our business to a higher and higher level and for that I really appreciate the you know the business in the industry and you know what I've gotten a lot I've got a lot out of the business And I really endeavoured To give it give to get back to the industry and I see more and more people across the industry that are really intent on giving back to our great industry and for that you know that brings a smile to my face as well Mike. Yeah great words Terry and listening to you talk about the persistence aspect of it and getting started in the business and not having any contacts or knowing anybody and having to do it ronit it took me back to when my wife and I moved into the twenty years ago. Yeah and we didn't know anybody. I just wanted to get involved. I am not good around horses so I couldn't work around horses by remember sitting down with on. Never Forget Bennie. Belen Ruthie Bowen. And they took time to make a list of all of the different people. I could go talk with in in the business and they were. Gd Van Cleef and Nick. Nicholson and I'm thinking. There's no way on earth these people are going to WanNa take take an appointment with me and you know what they all did. And I'll never forget what what Benny and Ruthie did for me. I'll never forget all of the people that took the time to meet with me when I came to Kentucky and it sounds like you did things the same exact way. Well yes I would say and You know one actually. That conjures up a thought. We're not as nice to people who are new business as we probably should be an industry whether you know we're talking about people who are looking to get into ownership or or to make a career out of out of our business and I think that's probably wanted to areas of upside that that we have right we need new blood and and and news thinkers and new ways of doing things and the way you get there is as you bring people who who are new And they don't really have a feel for business and the inner workings I mean. We all know that when you look at this business from the outside the barriers to entry and the complexities are really substantial. And I I. I really do. I try to do that. I try not to downplay the fact that you know. I've been around the business for over forty years And I think one of my responsibilities and our responsibilities is to get people in to give them a good view about business and I'm not talking about just the good stuff I'm talking about the good the bad and the ugly and I think when we do that we have you a real good shot to get more and more people in our business but we gotta be nice to them up front and we can't look at them as just a new be. That doesn't really know anything about a business. That's the way we get people. I filter in. So I just bring it up as an aside talking Terry Finley from West Point thoroughbreds here on this Memorial Day weekend program Terry with that in mind is one thing. I hear from perspective new owners who are hesitant to get involved visit. Look you've gotTa have millions of dollars? It's the sport of kings and that perception is still there with thoroughbred racing. If you get involved with owning racehorses can you make money doing it and should that be your mindset going in or should you look at this as being a hobby and let's go have some fun and let's not lose a bunch of money? Well I I think the vast majority of Snow Mike. It's the ladder Very very difficult very difficult. But you know I I say to people look especially with the turbulence in our industry over the last fifteen months or so and And the turbulence in the world you know they'll be contraction of our industry. I you know to what extent obviously we'll we'll find out at some point in the future but but that's GonNa afford us some opportunities especially owners to run for bigger purses albeit Although albeit they'll be fewer racehorse book or Race tracks open so you're hoping that the economic model gets a little bit better but you know no doubt. It's a very difficult model and what I think most of the of the really good partnerships and there are quite a few of them out there or the people who get owners into the business. I think the right thing to do is is is to put in front of them the fact that this is a lifestyle investment and I think when people when they hear that and and they look at the numbers and and and they realized. Like it's it's the whole compendium outside of the financial aspect. I think they feel a lot more comfortable And they as they venture into our business and disgrace as owners. Well Terri. I'll end this interview the way I started it. Thank you for your service on this Memorial Day weekend and appreciate you spending some time with be here this morning. My friend all the best and you. Can you got like my best to you and and to the team and let's go win some races. Let's go do it Terry. Finley West Point thoroughbreds here on the horse racing radio network. Yeah some heartfelt words from Terry talking about Gold Star families in the military. And I know that that is something that is obviously near and dear to his heart as it is for so many of us out there and we remember the fallen in those who made the ultimate sacrifice on this Memorial Day. Weekend get to another break. I'll come back and talk some Breeders Cup with door. Delgado that's next on the line forum on H. R. N. Presented all month long by FARM PAINT DOT COM when it's time to paint the fences in barns thank farm paint at foreign bank. You get the industry's best. Coatings and paints factory direct at low prices. Barn pain is your source for quality paints coatings dustless arena footings and more you can purchase online or drop into a farm paint store near you with locations in heart of bluegrass country at seven hundred slain in Lexington Kentucky Columbus Ohio and Sandusky Ohio by factory direct and save at farm pain dot com. That's FAR PAINT DOT COM. 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The National HCA is a coalition of over thirty individual affiliates in the United States and Canada comprised of thousands of thoroughbred owners trainers and breeders committed to the positive future of thoroughbred racing while working to increase his popularity and uphold the highest standards of welfare and integrity stopped by the visit. Ceo Eric Camelback at the National HP headquarters in Lexington Kentucky and see what the HP? Pa is doing for you. This is Bob Baffert. You're listening to the horse racing radio network. You're listening to the Equine Forum on the Horse Racing Radio Network presented by farm paint com sweeping the top of the dockside following hip. Old Justin behind the leader saw what to get second there between as Tom. Durkin with the call of the Nineteen Ninety Nine Breeders Cup Mile. Silic getting the victory the only horse by the way to win both the shoemaker mile and the Breeders Cup Mile and we'll see the shoemaker mile later this weekend Monday as a matter of fact at Santa Anita it is a win in your end for the Breeders Cup Mile Division the first in the United States here in twenty twenty and kicks off the Breeders Cup Challenge series which is still in a bit of flux if you will because of race tracks altering their stake schedules with abbreviated meats and such but no doubt we will get many of those races if not all of those challenge races in as we make our way down the road to the Breeders Cup November six and seven at Keelan. Of course will be there. Is your exclusive radio home once again here on the racing radio network just one hundred sixty seven days away from the Breeders Cup and that will approach quickly Dora. Delgado was when the now she is the vice president of racing and nominations were Breeders Cup in Dora. One hundred sixty seven days is going to be here before we know it. Good Morning yes. It's coming up fast and you know we've all been like you said in a state of flux while we wait for racing to get started again You know even even though it may not have spectators attendance. Were I think everybody across the country? It's just breathing a sigh of relief that we're getting back to a somewhat state of normal. Yeah I think you're right about that talk about the challenges that you in the team. Breeders Cup have been facing trying to put together and keep this challenge series schedule intact with all the alterations and changes. You know. It's really been a complete work in progress. We've we've been very flexible with the tracks that they've tried to sort out which races they're going to have time to run which races they need to drop. Hopefully we're we're All indications seem to be that we're going to keep the majority of the challenge schedule intact That we planned out. But we're still waiting on a few tracks just You know keeneland just announced. They're having missed this small summer. Meet with all the triple crown races kind of moving around. We're we're trying to stay flexible in order to to get the most benefit out to our horsemen if we have to add a race or or drop away somewhere else where we're trying to hold off as long as possible before we had something set in stone. Yeah how important is it to get things finalized quickly so that horsemeat can make their plans. That's right yeah I mean that. That's that's we had twenty nine horses nominated for the shoemaker mile so you can see. There's a lot of interest in getting those forces into races finding that right spot and and getting those win and you're in The event at Keeneland in two thousand fifteen was An incredible very moving event. We had great participation. I think everybody would just really love to make sure that they're there at the end of the year because it's GonNa be a You know what we consider a shining beacon and the horseracing landscape but especially this year. Yeah we touched on it I guess about five or six weeks ago when you join me here on the program that the Breeders Cup is indeed still scheduled for November sixth and seventh here at Keeneland in Lexington. People can go buy tickets. If for some reason. It doesn't happen. Tickets would be refunded but All indications by what's happening here in the state of Kentucky Right now are that we're going to be good for November six and seven so raw keeping our fingers crossed and Again very much a moving target. But we're hoping that everything comes together as planned absolutely. We've been working with the state and local authorities working with a couple of doctors on on adapting. Qianlong's Kobe protocols to the Breeders Cup I was just out of keeneland yesterday. Very simple process. Go and get your temperature taken and get a wristband. These tracks have moved mountains. Getting getting the protocols in place in giving their government officials a sense of of Security knowing that you know everything's going to be done the right way to make sure we. We limit the spread of this disease. You mentioned the large number of nominations that were involved with the shoemaker mile. Coming up on Monday. Which by the way you can watch on. Nbc S N. Beginning at six o'clock eastern time You mentioned those nominations story. Do you think that's going to be the norm with many of these challenge? Races now As racetrack start to open up and start to alter these steak schedules will. We see an overflow of nominations too many of these races. I really think. Tell the the suspension of racing. Excuse me during this. Spring was A little bit of a tightening of the of the purse strings so to speak so a lot of these. These trucks are looking at you know. reducing the first values in some cases just to make sure that they've got enough to to have enough Money in the account to make sure all these states get to take place. The American graded stakes committee has lowered the minimums for graded races just this year. So in order to make sure that we keep the graded stakes schedule as intact as possible. So I think you know. They're they're definitely going to be an accelerated View of trying to get in these raises trying to make sure you've got a spot and getting them all run. You know this this race. The shoemaker mile we actually have four Breeders Cup alumni that race with us in two thousand nineteen Chad Brown sent out courses west sorted marquette. I mean I think that's GonNa be the case as we look over the summer is is really sending those horses. Where where those spots Come up for sure. Yeah taught degree emotional earlier in this hour and taught to him about Breeder's cup juvenile fillies turf winner sharing returning to the races and the tap and stakes at Churchill today That card is tremendous. And you'll have many horses that are on that program looking toward Breeders Cup Challenge. Win And you're in races later this summer and into the early fall as well. How about the the situation with the international horses who may attempt to come here for the Breeders Cup or maybe even for some of these challenges Dora. What's the situation involving them so I talked with the USDA the Over the past week there's no restrictions on in any international horses coming into this country The issue comes into being with their handlers Right now there's international travel ban. We're hoping of course that's lifted fairly soon So it it depends on each track at they put in self quarantine rules. Those those handlers would have to come a couple of you know maybe a week early get clear get tested. Get all their their tests in order so in order to be here to receive the horses when they actually shipped in. I think that's a that's definitely a moving target And hopefully that. We won't have a resurgence So bad in the fall that that whatever Travel bans are in place. Now we'll be put back in as far as forces traveling within the country that seems to be a fairly simple Operation as well get your Kobe test before you get on the plane. Present those findings to the to the host track. When you get there. They'll do temperature checks and and and make sure that we're following all the social distancing and the bars not sharing equipment that sort of thing. These tracks have worked really really hard on their protocols. And it's shows yeah it does show and it's it's great to see all of that coming together and you know Breeders Cup in. My opinion is one of those major sporting events. It not just in horse racing. Obviously all of sports and you know every major sport is going through and trying to answer all of these questions now you look at baseball and college football and the NFL and all of these entities who are trying to put the pieces together. And you're it sounds like you guys are in the same boat but not only do you have to do it internally as an organization at Breeders Cup you have to get all the race tracks on board too so I can only imagine what you're going through. Yeah we've we've been in deep into contingency planning you know since this thing started. We're just trying to make sure we've we've accounted for every possible scenario going into the event And we WANNA make sure that that all of the horsemen. That are that want to send. Horses are simple comfort and and Understanding that you know not only their horses will will be taken care of it there. But they're essential stable staff will will not be in any danger. So it's IT'S. It's a lot of moving pieces but you know. I'm I'm a hundred percent confident we can get this done. Yeah how late in the game could you wait Dora to make a decision on Breeders Cup? If for example worst case scenario we had major spikes again around the country and things go back in the lockdown and just the the absolute worst case scenario. How late can you wait before you have to say? Hey you know what? We're not going to be able to do this. Yeah we've you know one of the contingency plans we of course work through. Is You know what if that should happen. What up the Derby has there on September Fifth? There is some sort of spike afterwards. Or there's some issue where the where the state says you know. We're just not comfortable having people together. You need to do at least social distancing or maybe you just have only participants attend so I think we can we can play that by ear through the Churchill downs. Meet the keeneland meet and still have time to to adjust on the fly. Pre entry is two weeks out from when horses Or started two weeks out from the event horses generally ship in the weekend before. So I think we've got time to to make those adjustments and get the word out to everybody Dora Doug Ottawa Breeders Cup here on the horse racing radio network door before I let you go. I'll just tell you that Our new puppy was sitting right here next to me at my home studio one of the benefits of doing the show from home. And he's not happy that you were Frankie. Haven't been out to see him I now. We're dying baby. He's so cute to stop out and see him. He's he's waiting for you in fact so we will definitely absolutely door. I appreciate the visit and keep things rolling in the right direction. I know you will I think for all you do. All right like all of our guests who appear on the program Doors interview brought to you by embraced the race dot com embrace your passion. Where would you love at embrace the race dot com time now for our monthly interview with the folks at four roses? Bourbon bring in Masters Distiller. Brent Elliott join me a few weeks ago to talk about what they are going through in light of Covid nineteen and he started by giving me an update. We're back up and running with steelers running the We're still bottling now. Our business centers course are still closed. Because we can't really control know social distancing of our guests and we don't WanNa put our employees SORTA guests at risk so we're just kind of playing it by ear there and that's doing our best to ride this out. Yeah it's it's been a trying situation for so many people and I know four roses certainly not immune to that. Let's talk suburban than than Brent. Now that you're bottling and everything's back up and running your job is the master. Distiller is to do what now at this point? It's about the same as ever. I've been focusing a lot. Last couple of weeks on Single barrel selections and every week is different. It's you know all the control whether it's bottling story mingling blending but last week up focusing a lot on Two weeks on sliding barrels for single barrel. So and that's that never stops whether this the celery shutdown or You know spring fall summer. Whatever it is. We're always on a lot of single barrel and we're selling more and more every year. So that's been consuming. A lot of my time here recently is going through hand selecting batches and looking individual barrels and giving those two bottling to go ahead and use for for balling single barrel. That's interesting what? What are you looking for. Brent when you start looking at those barrels part of the I guess the magic of a single barrel is that every barrel aged differently. Each one has its own flavor characteristics. So I know the consumer expects variation from barrel to barrel. But you don't want to have something that is so far different from the typical single barrel profile that you you're forcing consumer to buy something that will surprise them so you WanNa keep it within that sort of a range and that range. The flavors are always mellow smooth. That's true for all of our bourbons but we're looking for a Nice Ri- Backbone Nice. Why spice some delicate fruit of course A nice finish were caramel vanilla and oftentimes. You'll see some cinnamon nutmeg. And some baking spices come through. So I know it's hard to to taste when I'm just describing words but that's kind of the best way to describe the flavor profile of what you'd expect from a typical single barrel and what we look for in batches and barrels that we we select for for that product. Right you're the best brother. Keep up the great work and thanks for taking a few minutes. A few minutes with me here this morning on H. R. N. I thank you Mike. 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Episode 106: Kentucky Derby, Kentucky Oaks

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Episode 106: Kentucky Derby, Kentucky Oaks

"Welcome back to racing run on episode number one hundred six. We finally arrived. At the one hundred forty seventh kentucky derby this is the preview episode of the entire stakes card at churchill down for saturday. We're only going to be talking about few races at other tracks. This is going to be mostly focused on friday and saturday for the kentucky derby. Both of us are really excited for this There's a lot of things that we're going to say about the kentucky derby. We'll get to those. We'll get to all the races on the undercard. Undercard races are spectacular. Oaks as usual as great in kentucky. Derby is definitely one of the toughest kentucky derbies in recent years You know maybe if you go back through the years you could find some. You'd be hard pressed to find a job that may be harder than this. But you know getting into all of this. It's gonna be really exciting but before we get to everything else We do have to turn it over to eric for this week. Segment of made watch. Because i don't know if you might have seen some things about some really impressive three year olds but you know. I think that possibly could have escaped your mind. Do you think that could have happened eric. I sucked if you're a person follows recent to any extent you've probably heard about what happened at santa anita this past weekend On saturday with flight line that natan victory i. I'm going to be honest. That was the most impressive debut win or or maiden score any worse we talked about on this segment by far and we talked about multiple graded stakes winners on this segment. But we blow anyone out of the water and really in my life. I don't think i've seen a horse. Just flawless on debut flight line. A one million dollar yearling purchased by west point thoroughbreds. Now he's owned by a couple of other high highly. A very notable connections horrendous racing's farm summer when equine who own chasing yesterday in inbred aero gates so high level connections. John's other training broke. Well went to the lead and then just torch this new one of my thirteen weeks Some some some horses from the bathroom born. We're we're we're behind their horse. Richard mandel born was who's been given some some some kind words used being about eighteen nineteen lakes by flight lining in your was flat to the boards. Pushing this horse to win by that much worse was doing it effortlessly. I mean careening away. Just just i mean i'm at a loss for words. Basically it's just that's how good he was in winning this. He's done excellent pedigree by cap it out of a graded stakes winning their and feathered she actually won the edgewood on derby weekend a couple of years ago and was also fourth in the breeders cup. Juvenile filly so she's multi Multi surpised in tap it. I mean they can run on. Anything could honestly do anything. I really never seen. We know how good of a sire tap it is and has been. I really could not me worse with as high cruising speed as light line has just this war. Seems like he could be really anything. He could win anything that he's quitting because he just has so much speed and power count. Final time was huge. All the speed figures game nak. You'd i mean we're we're looking at a future superstar. Flight line is just a question of what's next for him. What he's tapped is a big. You know john sadler as course eared up. It's pretty funny. John's adler bonus racing. I wanted to favorites for this weekend's kentucky derby and rock your world and rocky world might not even be the best three-year-old in their barn because fight lines that good The other two year old certainly not as impressive but Certainly has i think a lot of potential. Also a seven figure yearling in first captain for shug. Mcgaughey also owned by west point thoroughbreds zone by santa farm as well Would progressing in bobby. Flay sleep read this horse as well. i captain. He's a son of america Graded stakes twenty dan. Four bobby flay Twenty fifteen i believe is when she ran a lot of degraded stakes in two thousand fourteen. Twenty four fifteen x pedigree on her one of her first foles offers captains by curling. It wasn't the most impressive mainland but he was going seven furlongs shorter that you probably wants to go. He's going to be a a route kind of course In really down the stretch. It didn't look like he was going to do much better than third but he really geared it. Get it into action late in the race. A picked up his really nicely in the final hundred yards. Final one hundred fifty yards and got home winning by less than a link horse. That was second. I believe was a seven hundred thousand dollars. Yearling so beat. Another highly regarded horse in the process in by the numbers didn't come back so much shorter than he probably wants to go. He's got a great pedigree physically. He looks like a stand up and show them again. He can get a horse to win. I out you know. He probably has good one on a sand. So first captain the other point there were certainly Garnered absolutely no attention because of what he's state was also able to do on concert or not steaming. They put common ownership. Nate was able to do on the other side of the country but nevertheless let's point there is absolutely locked and loaded with too nice nice colts for the summer and fall and now finishing up with the main segment we're gonna move onto previewing. The races from churchill downs of for kentucky oaks and derby weekend. We're going to start off with the friday entries and we're gonna to start with the alysheba stakes which is raised six on the card And this is one of the races. Which i think for both of us was the toughest to to pick because the this isn't a difficult race to look at but just for both of us because we're both kind of look the same way. Max field is going to be very heavy favorite in this race of rightfully. So i think Because you know you look at his career against company that he's going to be facing in this race and it's flawless against this kind of company. He lost us in any to handicap. Which is why. I'm against him in this race but looking at him against grade to grade three company. This is not a hartfield. This is pretty much the same kind of feel that he was running against down when he was running in new orleans in the winter. So i see on paper why he's going to be The favorite in this race and why he's the most likely winner. But i'm was just so put off by that run in the santa anita handicap. I haven't been a high on max field at all. Since the tenacious and the sanity handicap did not help me at all. But it's so hard to find a horse in this race that i can justify beating him chess chief who won the new orleans classic last out. He got by max 'field earlier in the season. Roadster is you know. let's put it this way. Roadsters very very inconsistent solomon lost to maxwell visited is a horse who i bounced around visitors coming off of a race at the topeka at turf way so don't entirely trust him and attachment rate is attachment rate. So it's really. I'm going to be going with max field here. Not because i respect him. But it's because i can't find another horse to beat max 'field within this race and i think that's totally fair. I mean i was thinking. I'd be in the same boat but ultimately i could not bring myself to to actually pay him. I'm gonna go with chess chief. He such a good race last time out. Closed up really nicely. Shootings beat the dust field but it was one. Hundred percent is best career race horse for the longest time. Didn't really seem like he could win. And i always wanted to this last three. We lost amax field In february in the mine shaft. That wasn't great but he was gaining late for sure he was coming from so far back I think he's going to have a better time in the least is of course. He's been writing out of his mind as of late in the certainly was able to guide this. It was because. I think that he was able to win the new orleans classic. Last time out. I think because of that They hope there should be able to replicate here. That being said this isn't a tough race for all the wrong reasons. I think on the races. For friday and saturday at churchill is the one the least excited for and now we're going to move onto a race. It is definitely very exciting. The edgewood this features. The return of breeder's cup juvenile fillies turf when her aunt pearl. If you go back to our post breeders cup Show you hear how high both for on aunt pearl really going into the breeders cup but you know. This is a female who has done nothing wrong. In her career she's winner. Churchill already She want derby week in last year's kentucky derby so she's one over the surface before she's undefeated dot. There's really nothing on paper that you can knock her with her breeders. Cup score was spectacular on the horses. That ran behind her. The breeders cup have come back to run some good races this year. So should be good horse breeders cup and really at the end of day. It doesn't matter who she beating in the breeders cup. She's just superior on talents that that's really all that needs to be said. The edgewood is not a race the gets along with two year old fillies or excuse me with three year old phillies the best but we did have the winner of the breeder's cup juvenile fillies turf when this race last year so hoping that that bucked the trend of champion turf phillies at two losing this race and we can get a win with amp pearl in this race. Probably be a of of the weekend in a pretty easy to see. Why just very very talented. And this is a good field. I mean you look at the like gift list was really good. Second in appalachia mass. Timeout opposed snubbed. One two hundred zero at fairgrounds xyzal is really interesting. She switches to the turf for the first time Decide that poor run in the fairground. So so there's good good phillies in here. Amp role is just an absolute standout and should be able to get a really easy lead. Just walking around torch. Over-funded says for hopefully a trip overseas tour alaska. If we can be so lucky. I think if you're if you're trying to fill out a nice exactly in this field your best values probably gonna come from posting up the one She seems like she. She's figuring things out really nicely. Lost a good tilles in her first two career starts and then has put together. Really nice winds down louisiana so i think that'd be us one to their in pearl posting up even though emperor is going to be basically in a whole nother race by the time they hit the wire. And now we're gonna move onto the recent. I'm personally the most excited for of friday. Add more so excited than the kentucky oaks. Even though that's really hard to say this is the other grade one and this is a great one for older females going a mile and a sixteenth and this is really what i'd like to call the acid test for. She dare devil. She's coming out of that win in the Not that that was a breakthrough performance for her. Because she won the kentucky oaks. That whisper career breakthrough but she won that race last time. The horse that she beat lotrowska came back to beat monoploy girl. This is kind of the proof. It moment for a double The top two are down and out or not down and out but their their stock has fallen a little bit and cheaters has a chance to pop up and take over this division. So that's kinda why. I'm very excited to this. Recent there's several horses in here. That i think have a very good chance to challenge her and beat her in this race. I think she's very beautiful. I will be going against her. I will also have a preview for this over on racing. Run on so. I'm not going to or i should say over on youtube racing. Run out on youtube. I'm not going to go much further into this race. Just say that. I will be picking parasites and direct you to my preview this over on youtube and for me i I'm also going to cheat. The devil idiot is a bit scary. Now that she's beaten. The truce seems to be on top of her game right now and see nigga. She wasn't his area to but also lost the spinster. Pretty poorly last last fall. And i don't know if that was if there was some overriding circumstance that that really caused that loss but it was tweaker horses than than an israeli face similar horses. What she's facing here she's not unbeatable is kind of my point. We're also looking at a race. Where five of the seven horses have never lost race at churchill. Downs and one of them hasn't ran there and the other has placed in her to starts at churchill downs. So it's it's a tough bunch. I'm going with the with. The veteran done borrowed chad brown I think the fact that she is still in training and kicking. It says a lot about what they must think of her at five already grade one winner so i think they need to keep racing her. She picked upgrade to win last year. Come third in the breeders cup distaff. What we there's no reason to really turn around and run around five. But i mean we know peter brands you know he's in it for the for of the action but there's with with the form that she got lost toward the end last year. You'd think they'd retire her but obviously they see something in her. Words are good. And i think she'll get a good set of there should be enough speed in this race to to really support her. Her late closing kick. I think she still has a lot of talent as she shown it out. A lot of coins in her career An even just after he didn't have the greatest trip. Montenegro was much the best that day but still only beaten just about too late in the process a dumb borrowed was so she still has that talent in her. And i think this is going to be a good field for her to to try and beat that being said it's tough group with with all the horses that that that have shown up here it's going to be a fundraising absolutely. This is another. The next race is the eight bells and this is another very Fundraise also very tough reason very wide open. I'll be got twelve three year old fillies and there's is a lot of horses in here that you can make a case for to win the also not clear cut horse that i think has a good not not saying that. I don't think a lot of chance to win this race. But there's not a clear horse that you can say this is. The horse is gonna win this race. That's the point. I'm trying to make right here and ultimately With i'm taking a bit of a shot here. This is probably going to be a big shopping and taking on friday. And i'm going to go with caramel. swirl From the bill maher bill. Maher got two horses in here. I'm going with the other horse from his barn. You've got obligatory who's coming out of stakes. Run caramel swirl is coming out of a very very impressive maiden victory. She won't by ten and a quarter keeneland not cutting back from her. Most recent art where she was started in that was going a mile and a sixteenth at gulfstream And really just the fact that i like that last run in her runs against horses in her earlier maiden races horses beaten by mala thought. Another horse you beat her taper hall is earlier in this car on friday so taper hall wins other than you can be sure that that validates the form of caramel swirl in this race of paper hall wins. That's another point in the corner of karlsruhe but even if taper hall doesn't win dat last win was really really good for caramel. Swirl enough for me to jump on her in this race for me. I knew jack said the lock in was his favorite are most a racers excited for on friday. This is it for me other than oaks with with thought This is just a fun. Ranks twelve absolutely graded stakes caliber. Three year old fillies who the majority of them really are sprinters. There's no horse here that that didn't like the day miles race. Where he's he horses. That could horses. But they're kind of tweezers on distance so they end up going to winter mile. This group of spinners absolutely natural nature even more than point. I think that the pace is going to be hot in here. The four you four likes to fly five windmill will be up there and then everybody else i mean there's tons of horses but those are probably the two biggest speed presence so i wanted horse. I knew becoming from probably off the pace. And i'm taking another good of a shop. I think she'll be lower price than jack. Jack speak and that's nine little tootsie thomas Coming off a poor performance in the fairgrounds oaks but before that to very nice wind at fairgrounds One of them was going to turn. But her sprinting. One where she broke her maiden was really the one that that You know directed me to picking her spa because she was excellent that day. One by four barely than ask for run kick clear with these. Beat you for who has since then won a couple in a row An an obviously the allowance. When was finding all. I think that my oldest keith is a bit too far for her on distance so cutting back to sprint distance where the the pace set up should be favorable for hint for her to be able to work out a nice trip. excites me. I think she should be nice and you know she hangs around that each one morning line. I think that'll be excellent value under hopefully though she floats up a little bit and we get something close to like twelve or fifteen and really hammer home and is upset winner. Now we're gonna move onto race ten on this car. This is the twin spires turf sprint. Typical turf sprint race. It is very wide open. And there's a thousand different angles you can go with in this race for me gonna go with somebody for peter miller. This is coming out of a good second place. Finish in the san simeon He was beaten less than half a length in that race before that ran a a good fourth place finish in the thunder road and won his first start of the year at santa anita and overall in his career. He's been relatively consistent. He's got a couple of last year. He had a couple of seven place in a stake at belmont and fifth inning churchill. But those were both races that he lost by four lengths in the charges makes it look worse than it actually is go back. Even further into inte- last year good runs at gulfstream in the apple in the appleton and the canadian turf. So this is the worst usually runs a good race. And i'm going to bank on him continuing that good form that he showed in the san simeon here in another tough curve sprint. Got somebody is great lot or sitting here with good wins over the years. I'm going with a horse. Let's coming off to some of his worst career performances nets diamond dukes I mean he was so good in summer of last year and then getting into the fall. I should say what is winning this race. In september and then winning phoenix really looked good and then burst up sprint. You know. He got shuffled wide throughout. That wasn't a great race. Mr prospector dole extremely disappointed. Really have many uses there. I'm banking on him getting back onto the grass and funny easier company because those were not easy races. Obviously the biggest cups. Princeton be his toughest and mr prospector. featured sleepy dodd and forensic fire in my control. Those are a great states winner in two to grade one winners behind him. sometimes isn't going to be deep waters year. He gets a little bit of class relief. Once again another horse that should be able to benefit from a quick pace in front the mown down ressam doing Last year in this reason. I hope he's able to do because he really does. Show excellent affinity for the turkey. Just don't take to see him do it a lot and i think that's kind of what as so many people That look against him in because the form but when he does get on the grass you run some some exceptional runs. And now we're going to move onto the big race of the friday card. Of course the kentucky oaks I didn't eric. And i did not do joint preview for this like we did last year. there is a preview. But i will be talking about my of this. Because i did not do the preview. A we we've been talking about mouth. Basically since she won the zell it would be foolish in my opinion for me to get off. Thought after all that we've said about her this is a very very good kentucky oaks field though and it it feels really weird because this is an easy selection for me and i didn't have to take too much time to think about it but you look at the horses behind mouth. That travel calls really good clairiere. Her rival really good resource. Search results is run. Some good races at ecuador will secret Loss in the ashland. But you know before that she was very consistent down at keeneland. The ashland was not a bad run crazy. Beautiful is coming out of good race. At gulfstream. santa. Anita philly are not the greatest but you know morass had some races where you can look at and maybe a little bit form from her malloy's another one that i you know. I have respected a little bit in her career but overall it's just that that this is a race it seems to be Mouth thoughts to win just because mouth thought is so good as a three year old Back every single raise. She's had to deal with some not every single race but leicester races. She's had to deal with some kind of reverse at adversity and she's handled it a as well as you could have expected. Her to ashton was really good. Dan was elwyn You know if you want to go back and hear us. A gush about that was l. That was back in december when she won that race. So it's really hard for me to go against mouth out here so i'm not gonna do that. I'm going to pick mouth that even though she's going to be the favourite. I'm gonna swallow all that money That she is gonna take. And i'm gonna take mouth out here and if you know me you know i had this canadian probably november of last year in a go. Check out my youtube preview of course to get more insights than napa valley thought. Cutting derived knows my favorite horse in training by far And i be surprised to see. You're losing. Its use it winning by open links. I'd be more surprised. So i'm excited though it's gonna be a tough race indeed classy as they come and i don't think anything that stands in her way. We'll be a problem. We've seen her last year. Racism i have no reason to believe it will be any different this upcoming friday. And now we're gonna move onto the saturday card four the kentucky derby weekend this is kentucky derby card at churchill downs and this is a very Fun group of races that is going to be the under for the twenty twenty one kentucky derby obviously the big races the kentucky derby. We'll talk about that For a little bit in a few minutes. We do have a big preview That we will direct you to but You know looking at the undercard races. He's some fun races in there. Some very tough races and we're going to start off with the first race. Which is the distaff turf mile. This is a mile race of four females. You have Rain not raining but Former grade one winner got storm. Who's probably gonna be the worst to taste a ton of money in here Whenever got stormies in a race to betting public always goes to her. She used to be reliable. Don't really trust her too much. Even though i don't think she's a terrible horse but you know looking at some of the other horse in this race. There's some very interesting shots you can take care. And i'm gonna go with a bit of a horse so i believe is going to be longer price in this race. And that's abscond for eddie chameleon if you look at this phillies record She's very consistent throughout occur. Only one bad run. That was in the breeders cup an besides that never been out of the money. I can forgive a horse for not running a great race on a breeders cup stuff tends to happen there and forces ten rebound after not running a great races and breeders cup competition. And i think that's definitely the case with gone. You know you look at some recent raises a good thirds in seconds all across the board. She was second church last year. Which is the big reason why. I'm picking her behind sharing only a length and a half behind sharing. Which is why i'm going to be going with her in this race. Sharing obviously the talented philly. She was in twenty twenty only a half length away from her. She's got the experience over the surface. So that's why like abscond in this race. And i'm looking to another all very consistent. Filly from the chad brad. Chad brown born and she's knows at chad bradley. Had brown and brad cox chad brown born a blowout of four hundred performances all by less than the last three by a neck and neck in a knows. She's a hard trier and she's the only losing two good horses. I might add. But she also her. Last raisins has set some freakishly quick paces instill stuck around in finished off nights. They just lose Buy i buy a note via on both occasions. obviously hasn't ranson slash november in the matriarch with sagely foxtrot tra hadn't ranson the matriarch. Naw she did was come back and win. The great one. Jenny wiley also should be able to go up Instead of pretty good pace given there's not a lot in her shouldn't have to fast. He did in those last two to start. So hopefully she can. She can go said easier pace. I know she'll be there at the end. It's just a question of if she wants to hold on. I do know though. I'm going to be having to be holding my breath a little bit because there is a good chance you could come get caught picked off at the line like she asked her last three races. And now we're going to move on to the derby city distaff which is race seven and this brings probably the lock of saturday and that is good. Mean in the derby city distaff. You look at mean. She's been perfect sprinting. Literally perfect has never lost a going one. Turn in your only lost one time in her career had those disqualifications reinstated by the arkansas racing commission. So the only loss that she had in the kentucky oaks. She was disqualified there because of another positive but Besides the point with that race you look at her runs in her career. When she sprinting acorn that was one turn mile test spectacular and it came last wall absolutely brilliant. Most recently paid workout. She's all second back off the layoff. Which means that. She's going to be even more fit and ready to go than she wasn't that i start. I see no reason why she loses. Even though you do have a couple of horses who have run well in their career churchill in bellsa one in -sconsin gamine for me and for probably most people i mean may not much else i have to say should be able to go out and set. The patient wants as consonants. Does the one two very talented fillies. Both also pace is number. One else in there doesn't want the lead is not much more in to everybody knows the name. Everybody knows how good she is in. Everybody knows she is not going to lose going one. Turn so you mean for me. The derby city distaff. And now we're going to move onto the pat day mile which is another a one turn mile race but definitely one that's gonna probably shake up more like a sprint race. On this is probably the toughest race besides the kentucky derby maybe even tougher than the kentucky derby on this car Twelve horses in this race and it's going to be A fast one early. There's some fast horses in here. Noble reflection jackie's warrior. Both of us. I believe are banking on That to kind of unravel them early. I'm definitely banking on it to unravel the pace early with jackie's in for that. I'm going to take my shot in this race. My shot of the derby weekend on. I'm going to go back to that. Has been talked about many a time on this program going back to sit on go Not a lot of good things for him as of late. But i'm gonna cling onto the last angle that i could find with him. This force hasn't been able to run a one turn mile since the iroquois last year your member. He won the era coy in a race. Where the pace absolutely blew up. I think that the pace is gonna blow up in this race. He's going to one turn mile at attracted. He's wanna stay. Cresa he did lose the kentucky jockey club at you look at that one turn mile seems like it was really really good for him. in the iroquois that's the angle i can find with him. I think it's going to be an absolute blowout pace. And for that reason i'm taking shot would sit on going here and i'm also going to be looking against some of the favorites in here. We go with the horse. I'm admiral stupi single digits on the odds as average to fund another one. That's gonna be coming from off the pace. It's all he's ever done his career and i mean really. His name was so-social. Good going six furlongs in march on. That's why i picked the santa anita derby. I thought easy language when that race. Obviously beating eleven lanes put still red. Find that day and i think getting back to one turn especially one term miles going to be huge Blinkers are also coming off. That'll that'll that. Certainly is a strong angle from baffled bargains at thirty two percent or the last few years when he does that so defended for me that the cutback with pay setup with ira junior. I went ad. Which i mean when you have ira teased hopping on a horse. Especially for the first time you definitely gives you the confidence in the world and moving onto race nine. Which is the american turf. This is another race. It is very very tough to look at a gonna fit the angle. We've talked about this with some of the three year old turf races earlier on in the year. With volt the annex his win in the cutler bay and then you had the transylvania keeneland. This is going to be a year where these three rolled grass horses are going to be beaten up on each other and they're all good but You know everyone's just gonna alternate their victories And this is the first time where we see a lot of these big horses. That are talented. Come up against each other and for that reason you know there are several different horses you can go with your bob baffert even has a turf horse in here with a very good shot. I don't know the last time that. I've said that about a bob baffert horse in a turf steak and that's not to slide him as a trainer just because bob baffert usually run on the turf very often. But he's got a horse in here who's got a chance. But i'm not going to be picking him. I'm going to pick annex in this race. He was undefeated at gulfstream. In this spring three starts including two stakes wins in the palm beach and the cutler bay really liked his win last out You know he beat scarlets guy. Who came back in transylvania. I have a lot of respect for scouts. Go against him here. Just because i really did like that last effort for annex You can't go wrong with a bill maher and he's got a. I rather teasing. Here's i'm going to take my turn taking my shot with iraq. Or and i'm gonna go right back to back for the third straight based not not the most sound I mean how often do you see. A trainer win three straight on a single car with let alone and some of the toughest states of the year. But since you're is a very nice horse. I did very intrigued by it. He's got such a good turf pedigree In just a good pedigree. In general which i know he ran his first class to them. Were one last year and then one in january or very strong but he was ultimately beaten tasking peak repeat amande few future stakes winner in his second start lost to roman centurions that was also in the dirt i might add no there and now he's back to her freeze on now. Was that much easier company. Absolutely but just the way he did with how little fleeting and ask that gives me tons and tons of confidence in this horse at who we are able to improve as he gets stage company for the first time. I really don't think bob packwood bringing in here if he didn't have that kind of confidence in himself a little bit worried about the trip because standard try to talk. I think in a race. That doesn't have a ton of early speed book. Certainly it's always hard to establish good position. interpret santa full field. So that's something he's gonna have to work through. But i think he has the talent to do with that being said it was very tough race and i i really kind of land. He's taking the horses are here. And now we're gonna move on to race number ten which is the churchill downs stakes. Seven furlongs This is a sprint race and You know this is another one. That's very wide open. Charlatan did not come here which blew the race wide open. There's a lot of different horses you can take in here. Lot of were sue. I think are going to take tons of money and for for this. I'm gonna go back to a horse that i used on last year's derby card and that was Tap into picked him to win the pat day mile didn't quite work out for him. But this is the horseshoe coming back in his first start since that pet day mile a got a victory in a sprint. Stick down tampa Which i like that that win for him you know. He's been progressing very nicely. Second back off the layoff. Four mark asi always good thing Always a good thing. We can get any worse back off a layoff and this is a horse who has not lost to too bad horses. When he's running in elements that are to benefit for him. And that's sprinting. Back second in the allen jerkins last year Third in the pat day mile. That was going one wants to go one turn belmont stakes completely. Discounting british attorney. Not really taking a look at that at all. Nice allowance wins at gulfstream and belmont actually beat a mystic guide dubai world cup winner Way back when back when mr guide was not quite a dubai world cup winner but still good horse and his obviously has gone on to be what he is so. I like tap into winning here. I'm against whitmore. I've been kind of sounding the alarm on him all winter. I don't know that Whitmore's going to be able to carry on a and b a top tier grade one grade one sprinter horse. But you can't count him out because he does run some good races and then their horses like Flagstaff who you can probably count him to run a good third and then even further back up former grade one winners like basin and mind control so this is a very very tough race But i'm going to go with tap it to win here and i'm enjoying jack. We we match up on picks. I know we did it with me. But this one's tougher route to get to but you know he's just such a good one turn horse such where he's always done his best work in. I think you really go back to the last summer in his especially that allowance when belmont shirt was going around and sixteen but it was still very good. And then last time i'll either turn raise probably the best career rafer visually from a metric standard. Just really impressed me. And i think seven along certainly right up his alley so should be able to really nice trip. I might add not too much speed here. Should be able to go out. And i don't think it will get official. Get away with a alone l