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Lin-Manuel Miranda On 'Hamilton' / 'Book Of Mormon' Creators Trey Parker & Matt Stone

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Lin-Manuel Miranda On 'Hamilton' / 'Book Of Mormon' Creators Trey Parker & Matt Stone

"From whyy in Philadelphia. This is fresh air. I'm David Being Cooley. In for Terry Gross Today we continue our end of the decade interview series featuring staff half picks from the decade. We'll hear from Lin. Manuel Miranda creator of the Broadway sensation. Hamilton he talked about some of his first rhymes. Back in ninth grade notice. My my voice went up two thirds. It's because at that time I was listening to nothing but the far side and my favorite rapper in the far side had that well there if she goes again they don't Miss TV opn. And we'll hear from the creators of another smash hit Broadway Musical Matt Stone and Trey Parker. They created South Park and Co wrote the book of Mormon. Hello my name is elder price and I would like to share with you. The most amazing mazing book. I'm David Being Cooley. Editor of the Website TV worth watching coaching sitting. In for Terry Gross. We usually spend this time of the season revisiting. Some of our staffs interview picks for the year but since this is twenty nineteen gene we're widening the scope and presenting some of the staff picks for the entire decade today. The focus is on Broadway musicals and our guests are some of the artists is behind some of the biggest hits of the decade later. We'll hear from TV South Park Creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker whose musical the book of Mormon premiered on Broadway in twenty eleven and became a major hit. The biggest hit of the decade was written by our first guest. Lin Manuel Miranda who's musical. Hamilton won eleven Tony Awards awards and the Pulitzer Prize for drama. Miranda wrote the music the lyrics the book and started on stage in the original cast almost five years years since it premiered in two thousand fifteen Hamilton remains the hottest ticket on Broadway. Miranda's first Broadway show in. The Heights. was a musical set set in a Latino neighborhood in New York similar to the one in which he grew up in two thousand eight. That show also won the Tony for best musical. Terry Gross spoke with Lin Manuel Miranda in two thousand seventeen after. He had left his starring role as Alexander Hamilton but his hip hop musical about the founding fathers remains a cultural phenomenon. Okay so I want to talk to you about Hamilton. And so let's start with my Shaw and this is Alexander Hamilton. Making his big statement about Ho. You know he's come to America he's GonNa make it and he's not giving away his shot you know and I I it's going to be in the revolutionary war in the new American government. Let's hear some of it and then we'll talk. So this is Lin Manuel Miranda from the cast recording of Hamilton. Moton away shots thrown away. Mock shot no one country young scrubbing way. To King's College Brag Amazing astonish brings the no Polish unheard with that knowledge. Assigning piece of coal trying to reach my goal was speech on impeachable fully sold the city streets get cold job munda manage on these streets famish fan this they would they run. And since this Lin Manuel Miranda from his cast recording of Hamilton. So you are so incredible at these like intricate rhymes that you do in the show. How did you assemble all these intricately? Placed rhymes for me The Fun of writing my shot was was Hamilton's declaration of purpose and I wanted to demonstrate his intellect and his ambition Not just in what he was saying. But in the way he was saying it so a prior to his arrival and singing my shot the other guys in that bar. You're right Lauren's Mulligan and Lafayette Are Rhyming at the end of the line. It's I'm John. Laurens in the place to be to pint. San Abbas bottom working on three we rhyme at the end the line and then here comes Hamilton. And suddenly you're getting a lot of internal assets and a lot of internal rhyming and not content is to just rhyme at the end of the line but you know have these big Pun esque lyrics. I know the action in the street is exciting. But Jesus between all the bleeding and fight white knob in reading and writing so it's their intricately tied together And if you consider that Hamilton is delivering this in real time suddenly like Whoa. This is the greatest freestyler who ever lived and so that that was the fun in constructing that and it was many days months of work To sort of make his his lyrics just that much more intricate than everybody else's because he was so smart. And so yeah. So do you use any tools like a rhyming dictionary Cadillac words. Do you have like list of words that you look when you were doing your research. Did you write and key words that you thought would be good to use in lyrics and so that you'd have a kind of storage box of like words phrases that you could work with. I would love. I love to tell you that. That's exactly what I did. That would seem like took such cares but honestly I kind of throw the kitchen sink at whatever situation. I'm in and at the moment I'm writing so I remember when I got up to Lafayette section and being like. Wow I don't even have conversational French So going and figuring agreeing. How do you say in French? How do you say How do you count to ten in French? I I didn't know any of these very elementary things and doing doing research just to be able to have it feel tossed off by Lafayette a mix of French and English while he is learning English India original colonies LANESE. And that was you know that amount of time that I spent for those two lines And also sort of a love letter to Lancelot in camelot. which is my my mother's favorite score So have him ending his line with Sim wa. which is lance lots Big Tune that's my little love letter learner and Lowe just him saying that so the answer is no I kind of I stop and research. Whatever situation that's that being said I did have Ron? Chernow's book as a guidepost. Do you do anything to be able to capture the speed without tripping up your tongue. Does he get harder or easier over time. When you're doing the same them raps every night and again? It's really fast intricate lyrics and you have to get them. Unbeaten do without stumbling the fact that I'm a performer. Performer helps me enormously as a lyricist. I I wouldn't give a performer. Something I couldn't deliver myself With the occasional exception Qaddafi digs. Who's just so exceptionally articulate and able to articulate at high speeds that I give them some wraps that I probably couldn't deliver the same way a- At that velocity but I'm not trying to make something as difficult to perform every night? It needs to proceed at the speed of that character's thought Because that's the only way it's accessible but you know it's interesting. I think the it was an enormous challenge to that show every night and yet who to blame aimed myself I wrote the part and and it was also the most thrilling roller coaster every night. You know I got to fall in love. I got to win a war war. I got to write words that inspired a nation. So how'd it has such an interesting connection to the White House for two reasons. Since the show basically originates at the White House you started off thinking of Hamilton as a concept album about Alexander Hamilton. And the first time you performed armed one of the songs the opening song from the show. it was at the White House. What was it like an evening of American music or something that Michelle Poetry Rian spoken word? Yeah and it was in about May of two thousand nine Fresh new administration and thrilled to be asked. Let's hear a little bit of that. Performance is at the White House from two thousand nine. Here's lin-manuel Miranda. I'm thrilled the White House called me tonight because because I'm actually working on a hip hop album. It's a concept album about the life of someone. I think embodies hip hop treasury secretary Alexander Hamilton. And you laugh. But it's true. He was. He was born a penniless orphan. In Saint Croix of illegitimate birth Became George Washington's right. Hand man became treasury secretary caught beef with every other founding father and all on the strength of his writing eating I think he embodies the words ability to make a difference. So I'm going to be doing the first song from that tonight. I'm accompanied by Tony and Grammy Winning Music Director. Alex like more anything you need to know. I'll be playing vice president Aaron Burr and snap along if you like. How does the best for Finn Son of a hole? In the Scotsman dropped in the middle of forgotten spun in the Caribbean by Providence impoverished. Disqualify grow up to be a hero when the scholar. The ten dollar founding father without a father got a lot fall by working a lot harder lobbying a lot smarter but being a self starter. Fourteen million placed him in charge of the trade and Charter and slaves will beat your slaughtered a caught it away across the waves on Hamilton kept his got up inside. He was long something to be part of the BRO. That's Lin Manuel Miranda performing the opening number from Hamilton at the White House with Michelle and Barack Obama in the audience. So let's get ahead when vice president elect Mike Pence attended Hamilton and He was cheered. He was booed when he was there. And then when the show was over Brandon Victor Dixon who now plays Aaron. Burr came out and read like a little speech directed to Mike Pence. And I'll I'll read some of it for our listeners. Who might not have heard this yet? This is what he said. Vice president-elect pence we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at Hamilton in American musical we really do we. Sir are are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us our planet our children our parents or defend us and uphold hold our inalienable rights Sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us all of us. Thank you truly for seeing this. Show this wonderful. American story told by a diverse group of men. Women of different colors creeds AIDS and orientations so you co wrote this that's my understanding you co wrote it with the director and producer. Don't have that right. Yes with Tommy and Jeffrey we got the heads up that he was coming That afternoon and sort of put that together before his arrival okay. So what was the conversation like between you and whoever else was involved about. Uh whether you should say something or not well. The conversation was this has been incredibly divisive election with A lot of hurt feelings. Disappointment and anger on both sides and the overwhelming sort of statement within that statement is We truly hope you lead all all of us. We're a play that tells the story of our founders with a very diverse company that we feel if you know reflects what our country looks like now and so so it was really intended as an olive branch please lead all of us and I was what I was really grateful for. was that Sunday. Mike Pence really was grateful for that. And I got in the Sentiment which was intended. He said I wasn't offended. I assure you that we are trying to lead all of you and so I was. I was grateful for his statements and for him stopping to listen. You know he didn't have to do that But he did and I thought it felt like a a civil dialogue between us so Hamilton is in part a story sorry about an immigrant and about immigrants and which of course relates to your family background. Your father came to New York from Puerto Areco for college and your mother basically making him not an immigrant because Puerto Rico as a Commonwealth but the experience of Spanish to English and displacement right or symbol. Awesome and your mother. I moved as an infant to The US from Puerto Rico correct and you grew up in a predominantly Latino neighborhood. You went to the Hunter College elementary and high school to have that right. That's right yeah so you you spoke in the past about this. Divide between who. You were At home and in your Latino neighborhood who you were at school with friends. What was the difference between those two us? Oh man I feel like we just stepped into code switch Because that's what I was doing. I think that's the interesting thing I mean. I think if you WANNA make a recipe for making taking a writer Have them feel a little out of place everywhere. have them be an observer kind of all the time and that's a great way to make a writer I wanted the lotto when I got into hunter To get a great Free Public School Education Sorta saved my family and and I was aware of it. I was aware of that. I was at a school with kids who were really smart and I also had friends in the neighborhood Who who went to the local school and I remember feeling that drift happened? You know when you spend your entire day with your closer friends become the ones you go to school with. And yet I'd still have sleepovers with friends from the neighborhood Make movies with my friends in the neighborhood and You know the corner of that I lived in was like this little Latin American country. It's one in which The nanny who lived with us and raised us who also raised my father in Puerto. Rico never alert needed to learn English. All of the business owners in and around our block all spoke Spanish and yet I'd go to school and I'd I'd be at at my friends houses on the upper east side upper west side and I'd be the one translating to the nanny who spoke Spanish So it's interesting to become a Latino. You know cultural ambassador when you're seven so I had that experience as well so you know. We changed depending on the room. We're I'm talking quieter because I'm talking hair grows so you. Obviously you know love rap and hip hop what were the first recordings that made a big impression. I rap recordings that made a big impression on you I've several I remember. My sister bringing home the fat boys when I was really little and also taking me. Due to the first hip hop movies I remember going to see beat street in going to see breaking as a really little kid being sort of dragged along by my older sister. My sister is responsible possible for anyone for giving me good taste in music I remember stealing her. Copy of black sheep's a wolf and sheep's clothing and learning Engine I and not on the New York transit line I think that's probably the first rap song I really worked hard to memorize in sixth grade. But then also You Know Naughty by nature and Queen Latifah the music. You love when you're a teenager is always going to be the most important to you And I I find that it's it's all over the score of Hamilton The quotes are big quotes They're big PUN. These are all New York East Coast Nineties rappers. And that's when I was a teenager so I'm GonNa put you on the spot and ask you do. I rhymes that you remember writing that you still remember today. Well Hello My name is Lynn but if you're dyslexic call me nil. My rhymes are GONNA kill. So I suggest you write your will. Then leave your to me. I am the pit to me. A coolness can't be ripped to me because they will be hitting the Mike Tonight notice. My voice went up two octaves. It's because at that time I was listening to nothing but the far side died and my favorite rapper in the far side had that well there she goes again. The don't misty Theo Paean and now the world around me it was. It was that cadence and and I think my rapper. Voices still influenced by far side But that that is Those lines were a rhyme. I wrote in ninth grade that I showed to friends wins and there were like all right. Stick to your day job. Come on. That was pretty good. That's funny so your father has had a political consulting company. He worked with of New York City. Mayor Ed Koch. He still has it and advising him on Latino Affairs and you apparently wrote Jingles when you were younger for this political consulting and company that your father owns. How old were you when you started writing them and please sing one for us? Well jingles misleading. Because it sounds like oh how are we to wake up in the morning morning. It's not they're not like I like they. Its background music for commercials. I was basically cheap labor for my dad. He would say I need thirty seconds of of some jazz for a sharpton spot that's going to be on. WB L. S.. or I need some bright salsa for a Fernando Ferrer campaign commercial you know I wrote music for for Eliot Spitzer before. We knew what we knew when he was running for Governor and whatever Democrat was running or my dad was working with I was writing the campaign music. I liked writing the negative ads. More than because it's more minor chords. You just hit the synthesizer politician ex. They voted against and ends with Bright Salsa Don Don Don Don Don vote politician. Why so you know who you're talking about the compartmentalized department allies you? The you were you were when you were at home. And Latino neighborhood in the you were at school when your friends were white and Latino and then you learn finally to bring all those parts together with the same kind of compartmentalization happening for you musically you loved Broadway shows and you loved hip talk and it's maybe hard to find people who win when their teens love both. Yeah I mean absolutely and honestly what a fantastic antastic question because theater is really the thing that began to break that. Divide for me my senior year in high school. I was the director of the school musical and I picked West side story painfully aware that there were not enough. Let the kids to play all the sharks and was at hunter or at least audition and so what that became for me was actually this kind of weird way of bringing my culture to school. I remember being knocked doubt When I first saw the movie and sixth grade that there's actually a musical number in the Canon about whether you should stay in Puerto Rico and live in the United States? Oh Yeah You know that's amazing when you're twelve and you grow up in New York and your family's all from this other island to have that conversation happening in front of you in an iconic chronic musical And so I had my white and Asian Sharks and I brought my dad and he did dialect coaching. You know while they're singing in America I want the things. They're yelling while they're cheering each other. On to be accurate. I want the accents to be accurate. Our guest is Lin. Manuel Miranda Maranda original star of the Broadway Musical Hamilton. Who wrote the show's music lyrics and book? He spoke with Terry gross in twenty seventeen and after a break will oh continue their conversation. We'll also hear another of our staff's picks for interviews of the decade by revisiting. Terry's twenty eleven interview with Trey Parker and Matt Stone Creators of the Book of Mormon. I'm David Cooley. And this is fresh. Air Monsieur you'll be saying no sweated it finally on the field we've had quite a run immigrants. We get the job done. So what happens if we win freedom to my people. If I'm given the Jack we'll be with you when you go to amass aby shot I SOCK country strapping shots. It feels like a memory where it gets me feet. The enemy the head of command expecting expecting expecting support for fresh air and the following message come from green from Amex ready to try something new whether it's grabbing Sushi Burritos reto on the go or spending a weekend. Snowboarding and Breckenridge Green from Amex can help you keep things fresh with three times points on restaurants and travel including airfare and hotel stays. It's built around your lifestyle so you can keep doing you with an extra boost of confidence. Learn more at American Express Dot com slash rush green from AMEX terms apply. This is fresh air. I'm David in Cooley. In for Terry Gross back with more of Terry's 2017 interview with Lin Manuel Miranda creator of Hamilton the Broadway hip-hop musical about the founding fathers one eleven Tony's and the Pulitzer Prize for drama. This interview is one of our staff picks fix for interview of the decade. So I have to ask you about Stephen Sondheim because you have a very interesting history with him first of all when you directing west side story in high school. He came to your class because he he was the friend of the father of one of the students in the cast and so John Wiedeman For assassins and Pacific overtures overtures. Yeah okay so there's that so you get to meet him in high school and then and you get to write the Spanish lyrics for the Spanish production of West side story and then you got to be in a production. In of Merrily we roll along which is great sun high musical that always needs to be revived because the original Broadway run was very short and so this was a a city center. New York City recenter encores production. In fact I want to play just a little bit of you in that. which was gracious enough to? I saw you in this in this reduction production so you're playing lyricist who works with a composer but the composer has kind of like sold out and you know he's just doing like commercial work and the lyricist lyricist now has come to think of the composer instead of just being. His friend and collaborator Franklin Shepard. He thinks of him now is like Franklin Shepard Inc because he's so much about like deals and making money in this scene like you're getting interviewed on TV. You're Kinda pretty bitter about the whole collaboration Asian with composer. Now do you to work together not please how do we work together. Sure and he goes and I go and soon. We're humming along. ooh That's called writing song. Then he goes and I go and the phone goes and he does mater mater yesterday. Romano Jerome undermine drove butter butter butter butter. Do It's Rome. Click Sorry Charlie early so I go and he goes and I go and and soon. We're tapping away. Sorry Charlie Secretary on the Intercom guest. Smith's thanks miss. Tell them to wait. We ordered where did the car we call it in the bank. We of course will get done. Sorry Charlie modern motorcycle. The stock motorbike. Mother won't hold. Yes yes Mississippi. Thanks sweet tell him to wait. We wire the car we ordered the coast. We send up the bank and the telephones blink stocks get sold. The rest of bustle keeps Arnhold. And he's into making movies. He's corporation night. So I play with my wife and kids and I wait to hear them movie bids Meditation in writing. He flies off to California. I discuss him with my shrink. That's the story the way we me and Franklin Shepard Pink I like this okay. That's my guest Lin Manuel Miranda. You're so much fun on that and I really think doing hip hop rhymes is great preparation for that lyric. Absolutely yeah and and Sondheim has written. So many. He's just like the most brilliant lyricist but What are some of the things you feel? You learned either from talking with Sondheim because I know he also give you feedback on Hamilton before you actually put it on stage. So what are things you've learned from actually talking to him just from like getting intimately intimately acquainted with his work. The thing he always sort of stressed was variety variety variety variety variety. When you're dealing with a constant rhythm no matter how great your lyrics are if you don't switch it up? People's heads are going to start bobbing in their stop. Listening to what you're saying so consistently thinly keep the year fresh and keep the audience surprised And you know that was his watchword throughout the writing of Hamilton. This time Song Long. That's closest to comic. Rap is in my opinion not getting married which is done everybody here because if everybody would like to thank you for coming to for the wedding you do mark do more? I'd appreciate your going even more. I mean you must have lots of better things to do. Another word of its Paul. Remember Paul you know the men get America. But I'm not because they've never ruined anyone as wonderful as he is. Thank you all offer gifts and the flowers. Thank you all for showers. Don't tell Paul but I'm not getting married today. Anyone who could do that song has an incredible tongue absolutely so so tricky. It's so fast in the words are so just kind of like dense unfunny and rhyming and So have you thought about that Song Lot in terms of of intricate rhyme schemes. And what human is capable of without totally cooking up. Honestly I think about that song more when people ask me. How did you think rap? WHO's GonNa work on Broadway? Nothing in my so is faster than getting married today company. So I don't know what you're talking about. There's so much precedent for the work in both quote unquote hip hop and not in terms of pattern for the stage. But what's what's amazing about. Getting married today is also in a master class in making lyric easy. There are continents on which you waste air. H There's no h is in that Because if you say her you've lost half off the air in your lungs so it's very Teasing peas thank. You always everybody here. Because if everybody's here I'd like to thank you all for coming to the wedding It's more about breath control than then being a it's not a tongue twister. It's very consciously Nana tongue twister. It's about being able to say it in one continuous breath and getting out of the way and in and choosing words that do not require any extra air or any extra tongue or a jaw work So it's actually not about trying into making it hard. It's about making it easy. So did you learn that intuitively or did sign him. Tell you that that was his intention to stay away from his many ages as possible and to to keep two things that could easily be said. I think I read about that. In a conversation he had at some point But I also knew that intuitively would've leave because of the hip hop artists liked who wrapped fast. You know they're not trying to make something that's hard for them to perform. They're trying to make something. That sounds impressive. Give joy to deliver trying to think of like a really specific early ninety s example Queen Latifah. It's not just that so you broke. It looks more like a fracture. Cats that rap but Latifah where we to crush that's Queen Latifah nineteen ninety two. And it's it's fast there's Queen Latifah's unit is us. There's plenty of people out there triggers ready to pull it. Why are you trying to jump in front of the bullet? Young Lady No Ages. So you learn intuitively that like the writer is trying to make something that flows easily off the tongue. So did the writer of Alexander Hamilton tried to avoid ages. You will observe served. Hamilton is not in any of the fast rapping that happens on stage right. It's George. Washington Goes Hamilton. Jefferson is the one that goes so he knows the doing trying French ingenuity influence in France. I mean so. We're not hampering anyone with Hamilton Lin. Manuel Miranda it's just been wonderful to talk with you. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you so very much. Likewise the joys mind Lin Manuel. Miranda is the Creator and original star of the hit musical Hamilton Terry Gross interviewed him in two thousand seventeen. Next up we'll hear from the writers of the book of Mormon another hit musical of the decade as our staff picks a favourite interviews from the decade decade continues this fresh air support for NPR and the following message. Come from Netflix. This new series. Messiah what would it take to make you believe Stephen something crazy when a man starts performing miracles and saying he's the Messiah One. CIA agent is determined to find the truth. No matter how crazy it may be messiah streaming now only Netflix six. When you travel to a new place sometimes it doesn't just change where you are? It changes who you are next on. NPR's code switch a story about travel and transformation. Listen and subscribe continuing annual with our staff picks. A favourite interviews of the decade is a conversation from twenty eleven with Trey Parker and Matt Stone The creators of TV South Park and the CO creators with Robert Lopez of Avenue. Q of the hit musical the book of Mormon which one nine Tony Awards including best musical. If you know anything about South Park you would expect that a musical written by Parker and stone would be irreverent. And you'd be right but it's also got heart. The story is about two young a young Mormons who are sent on their first mission to Uganda where they learn. Africa is not like the Lion King. Let's start with the opening song set at a mission training center center in Salt Lake City. Where Young Mormons are learning door to door missionary technique? Hello My name is elder price vice and I would like to share with you the most amazing book. Elo My name is elder grant. It's a powder America a long long time ago. It has so many awesome parts. You simply won't believe how much this book can change. Change Your Life Hello. My name is elder green. I would like to share with you this book of Jesus Christ. Hello my name is felder young. Hello did you know that Jesus lived here in the West you can read all about it now in this book. It's three note. Don't have to pay. Hello Hello. My Name is elder Smith. And can I this book with you for you to just Karoo. I'll just leave it here. It has a lot of information. Do Really Use Hello Eh love people. It's an amazing book. How the white kids? This will give you the secret to eternal lie internal life. Jesus Christ super by a single show him how it can be done. Thanks Pal ball believe how much is it. Would you like to change religions written by Jesus no yeah no elder Cunningham. That's not how we doing. You're making things up again. Just stick to the approve. How Jesus Christ? It's the people this is so the tree Parker met stone. Welcome back to fresh air. And congratulations on the book of Mormon. Thanks thank you did. Mormons come to your door and did your family let them in when you were growing up. They never came to my door. I don't think I don't know if my dad would of let them in. Either we live in we grew up in Colorado. So we actually we were around a lot of Mormons And we went to school with Mormons. And things like that but I think that the first time I actually saw them come to the door was in college. Actually I had some moments come to where I was staying in college since. Then we've had we've had a few and we always try to. I always tried to start a kind of a dialogue with them but you learn pretty quickly that they are trained impeccably to be able to handle anything but didn't hello. The idea. Was that that we you'd reveal that you're at the Missionary Training Center which is in Provo. Utah which is where they get. They learn all their language skills and they learned their. You know what to do when you do get invited into a house house and We found later missionary training center. They actually have like prop Living rooms like fake living-rooms with actors that you know it's like one of your tests going going to this fake Liderman sit down and do your spiel and do you have to deal with this in a in a real situation it's like it's like driving simulator. Yeah so I don't want people get the wrong idea about how you present mormonism in your show because you kind of challenge the credibility of this lose credibility of the story of the book of Mormon. But you love your characters and you think that eventually they do do good in the world not in the way they expect it to. But you're not about being like really kind of cynical in this and I really. What what I grew up loving Broadway for was was the fact that it it it at least you know all these classics you know? They weren't cynical they were. They were very optimistic and had offered this kind of they always ended with a big happy number and everything was okay. Okay and is that can seem I loved it you know. And and that's you know I don't I don't think anyone would wanna go see a two hour long warm and bashing and that's not not I wouldn't WanNa see that either it's just not obviously you have to have characters that you love and even if you can certain things have characters that you love to hate that's fine but You know everyone wants to see a little piece of themselves up there. And that's what makes a musical draws people in and so you know like we were saying about the whole thing about this. Even though this is about a very a devout mormon getting put with someone and getting shot around the world and trying to be very mormon people can relate to just that feeling of being in high school and getting out and thinking. Okay well now. Now I'm ready to just go tell everyone what's up and make my mark in the world and it's going to be really awesome and then you get slapped back down to reality you know. And I think that everyone can relate eight to that part of it and and also what the reason we knew it would work. Great with Bobby right away was because we all shared this thing where it's like. We Love The goofiness of Mormon stories. We Love The you know. Some of them are so incredulous and yet we really liked most almost all the mormons we'd ever met so have Mormons in the audience. Enjoyed the musical do you. I know I've gotten feedback. It's really funny. We can actually when we were there for previews and we were there That whole month where we go and watch it every single night. Try to change it. You could hear the pockets. It's of Mormon. You could hear where they work because there's some certain things in the show that are very specifically Mormon things you you either or at least ex Mormons you know like you could hear these people little group of people laugh and no one else really got the joke but at and it would just be some reference to something that's very mormon and and You know obviously. It's a select a group of Mormons that are gonNA come to this show have kind of embraced it And the official Church response the official research response was something. Along the lines of the book of Mormon the musical might entertain you for a night but the book of Mormon the book scripture will could changer will change your life through Jesus or something which is actually completely agree with the two totally very big hearted American response. It's kind of like there. The the Mormon Church's response to this musical is almost like take our QA D. at the end of it's like see we told you Mormons or that's a cool. That's a cool American response to like a a a ribbing you know a big musical. It's done in their name so It just that was like the end. We're like there see. That's what you're talking about. Because before the Church responded a lot of people would ask ask us about like. Are you afraid of what the church are GonNa say train our like. They're going to be cool. Trust us. They're going to be calling. People in New York are like no. They're not they're going to be. You Know Matt you guys are going to be protests. Like no they're going to be cool and I mean I mean I don't know if we'd totally new but we weren't that surprised by the Church's response. We had faith in them. Yes we had faith. We're listening to an interview with Trey Parker and Matt Stone from from twenty eleven more after a break. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message come from each raid investing. Your money shouldn't require moving mountains. 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The Book Book of Mormon one nine Tony Awards and their conversation with Terry is one of our staff picks of the decade. Okay time for another song so I WANNA play Klay turn it off which is great production number and you know in a lot of musicals. There's that big inspiring number where you're told to like you know be yourself an an think. Great thoughts whenever you're sad like put on a happy face or if you fall down pick yourself up and start all over again but this is called turn Senate off so if you're feeling something unpleasant just like turn it off. It's a song about repressing feelings. Tell us about writing this song and the kinds of songs that inspired inspired this one. This was a little ditty I wrote a first version of this Bazeley because I just we knew we had to have a big tap number. We've got a bunch of dudes and white shirts and ties. It's like we've got to have a TAB number but I just this is a great example of a Sunday I had just a little ditty for there was just this very repetitive. Off like a light switch. Just Click de. I remember bobby right away saying yet. Cool kind of runs in place you know Kinda like was the same thing musically over and over and over and this song expand and expand and then we all would sit in the room together and say well. Maybe it shouldn't just be there. It was all just stuff about gay thoughts and all those jokes and they were a great jokes in it worked but then we sat there going. Well what else you know. Maybe we should have other Mormons chime in and other things that aren't just gave but other and we started writing the other verses and then and Bobby actually wrote the verse about the the father the abusive father and then it grew and grew. And then Casey came in and turned our number CO director under and choreographer and turned it from a little tap song into giant tap sung and all this other stuff and so it was just this great song that you watched going from this little diddy to this big big Broadway number you know Kinda before your eyes. So let's hear it. This is turn it off from the new cast recording of the book of Mormon which was co written by my guests Trey Parker and Matt Stone the Co creators of South Park. Turn it on black allies switch Clayton. It's a cool little more in trade. I think we do it all the time. When you're feeling certain feelings that just don't seem ranked treat this pesky feelings like reading lights and turn off? I think it's just go back really wants so hard about that it when I was young. My Dad feet. My mom really bad. Every time the Utah Jazz. He'd started drinking and I started thinking Talmud GonNa King. My mom forgetting abused. I see Rawal scared in my soul was die in my dad would say to me now. Don't you Dare Start Ryan And turn it off ally. Just Click Trey turn it off. Turn my sister was a dancer but she got cancer. The doctor said she'll two months more. I thought she had time so I got in mind for the new I own at the apple store. She laid there dying with my father and mother. Barry last words were wear is my Barat her Turn it off the fear that I might get cancer to. Aw when I was in rain and I had a friend. Steve and I were close as two friends. Friends could lead to another night would discover art. I was having really strange. Nearly four steam don about us on a deserted I didn't see and she'd Wall turn it off like allied sweet. They're gone for you my head or aside test one I'm all manner now. Should be with girls at heavenly father's plan so if you ever rather be with a man at all well elder McKinley. I think it's let's turn it off from the new cast recording of the book of Mormon and the show was co written by guests Trey Parker and Matt Stone who also created South Park so every time I hear that Song Song I I I laugh Because it's it's ironic but it's also it's so Abedian so catchy and so I don't know the for me is is is is funny because it's so happy but it's about something that likely it's kind of the most tragic Educ thing. Yeah and I mean not just for you know like the character that things is played by Roy o'malley Who just kills it? That's he's amazing. is about missionaries Mary's overseas and obviously gay and Doug the Churches said yet. You're not just don't think about that. You know which is like no solution at all and but it's not even even if you're just they send and these nineteen year old kids around the world even you know they're just the sexual beings you know their sexual animals and they say just turn that off and there's just nothing in the the point in the story when price now. They've landed in Africa. They've seen some orders. They're really questioning. What the Hell's going on they go back to the mission he says while I'm having some confusing thoughts and this is the song that's given to them so the song is not supposed to really help you? You know he realizes it doesn't really get much he doesn't get much out of it. Just one more thing. I think that the book of Mormon has something of the quality of South Park in the sense that South Park is just kind of stripped down. Animation it's down to the basics and there's something so basic about the show it's a great music great performers great orchestrations really original concepts. But there's nothing fancy about the sets it's just like it's a very conscious decision reason that we did that is because we did did so many workshops in New York In the three years leading up to it and we do a do these workshops which were no costumes. No just in a big room with fluorescent lights and forty people sitting there and and it would kill and we're just like okay all we can do now is ruin this. So let's add just enough to make a beautiful Broadway show but not I'm not step on any toes. Been Great to talk with you again. Congratulations and the success. You've been having with the book of Mormon and thank you so much for coming back to fresh air. Thanks thanks thanks a lot. Trey Parker and Matt Stone speaking to Terry Gross in two thousand eleven their interview with Terry was one of our staff picks for interviews of the decade on Monday show. Fresh air is ending the decade with a holiday week series of interviews featuring staff picks from the decade on our next edition will hear from two beloved of journalists whom we lost this decade Anthony Bourdain and David Carr Bourdain was a food writer chef and the host of several food. TV shows the car was a respected in very readable media columnist for the New York Times. I hope you can join us. One final note since today's show L. was devoted to Broadway musicals. We'd like to acknowledge the Jerry Herman the composer of Hello Dolly and maim died yesterday at age eighty eight. Here's the song from the original Broadway cast recording of Mame with Angela. lansbury singing one of Herman's many famous songs. If he walked into my life did he need a stronger did he need a touch. It was I saw was tough. Did I give enough to the moment when he needed me. Did I ever turn away. Hey would I be there when he call if he walked him two Mile Long. Aw to his little dog you a little while did I all the stake Mutt land. Did I stress the CIA. Had there must have been a million thing that my gut to say would I the thing Gov one or two. If he walked him to Houma Today they should blame the Times. I Palmer here all black times on lost. What a shame?

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Inside Supercars - #275 Wednesday - Matt Stone

Inside Supercars

15:36 min | 1 year ago

Inside Supercars - #275 Wednesday - Matt Stone

"Hi Jamie Kelly layoffs with and you're listening to inside cows from the rice treks across Australia. He is inside supercars welcoming because CRICHTON. Valentine's Talk I've got met Stern. Just fresh back Fraga sees. You meant that quick away for a couple of days Now back in put ready to head down to the ad well. I'm sure it'll be another big weekend. Because you've got another debutante. You had one. Who did a terrific job over at Allied Enzyme Not quite a experience. Run-up check Gary Jacobson. Who has been a number of years? He was in your car and now this weekend. You Got Jake Jake Kostecki. Yeah very exhauted so Do our first round with the weekend. on cigarettes had been Q. Ten days fourteen nine and feel impartial. Voice I yeah. We're pretty happy to go to the GP with that Jake We'll be a challenging challenging. Debut for him because it is a very technical circuit and The nature of the qualifying conditions. I mean you know it's it's a one lap dash who is going to be very Fucking tough debut. But now we've got every tight-knit the dope now obviously you know it's a very different scene this year because the senior hats aims. Like yourself and triple eight vein. In Kelly's going down the tubes with the Mobley's now eight the full council to that seat. Yeah a bit to be honest. The mode of the model through God's people running Joe Bottle told me something different road win. You've got two young young meaning you introduce this category. This light Subic category in a shared. Drive is obviously a stating your team as well as For those two drivers yeah I look I mean I mean. It's good because having the young young guys in that day viewing You know the pressure's off for them. That's the whole point of it but also a little bit for for the team because where where growing with the drivers and You know the the result we need to The key having that the cage out relationship with Trip alight means that although way running a daily Green Dr appearing across parts out because We have the alliance of technical support with your blight which gets off tonight. Shed Data and information from two very successful drivers that are very successful theme. Which helped us to grow. Your thoughts quicker. Yeah make sure that we're getting over to. We need to GET THEM UP TO SPEED MATT. I'm fascinated with the raisin. Why the two model? Because he's the only model works or the the best model that works. Why don't the four? The three the one com muddles work at all in supercars. Look silly is a nice town to model from our point of view. Actually I cost saving measure Because by got a Wa single cocktailing is workable about the things that when you go from one car to you. Don't you don't double up in trucks and your chops and there's a lot of equipment that you do get Amazon bed or two And the transport is probably the big one because the one of the heaviest costs. Abbas just traveling a lot for crew people around the country and I would say the equipment and everything in the truck and dying from one to two. It's still just want a truck The crew guys but it You know you've got one on one eighty of course two times that are certainly level where it's not it's not doubled by running to and you actually Ama- caused some of the some of the costs of two different Two different entry. Sorry that's why to come to work. I can see how the other people probably coming to the same assessment From a writing point of view. You control your destiny. You've got your crews or someone else you know relying on someone else You can go to the teams championship in your own Two entries and try and you know set your lane whereas as a as a single team you've gotta with single entry and that determine you are lying so there's definitely a lot of things that make the two model in my opinion the right model And you know that's a cars eventually just another single cop. Go back to the same same drawbacks of being a single thing And then you know thing just search really so that's why that makes sense but But yeah definitely for. Who is the right number? We'll see cement. We see that you don't have to pay toys anymore. Is My understanding. The new deal is that a considerable saving look. It's yeah it depends on how you look at it like we We what we pay the same size as we always have but we get a hell of a lot more so much. Better off Much better system where you know for the fans you see a lot more rain tomorrow right thing. You don't have have showing up in practice practice to not putting on good ties because I watched their allocation You know what we what we got is live to Allocation and you know the extra cost of that allocation sponsored by a lot which was fantastic on their pop teams Which to me much better much. Better racing Much better You know tyou quality that benefit the fans 'cause you always whatever on Came in no extra cost then. Why not having the recycling of Tonga's way you know we'd do a lot of work in taking them back to the workshops grouping amounting testing them and using them. You know we. We've signed Labour content. And so you know definitely I think it's huge wing where it's a big A cost saving for a minute and a much much better improvement in all of these rising. The biggest change happened this year. I mean obviously there was an Arrow adjustment to both Commodore Mustang. But the biggest changes you was going to. I A control shock now. That-that's obviously had implications on the way when she worked but is it possible that it had more than that and in the plainfield so to speak. Look I'm sure we'll have like anything came in new and ever had access to the question At the same probably have more resources disposal and big a development but just didn't have the time to go and evaluate the d'ambra when whenever on Rolls Out Atalaya exact same package With old on the same amount of homework or Gaza. Val the size of that thing that we're doing equalizer And then there's the fact that even a thing where to do an extensive amount of and I'm standing up. They actually changes the principle behind it and the former Equalising point of view. I think it should be. It should be very successful long term and you know I think probably out of their way closing everyone at Adelaide By you know they will be as as you fly around with the damp people. Think about it and you know someone will have a better a better understanding and get a rod on different days and you're not out of the package of what we do. We using super sharks before. Us started this season. I'll look I have super shops Early early early days back in jail well we played around with Superfood And then we were running back in two thousand eighteen Unsuccessfully and then we said we had been clear of them since then but obviously now everyone going back to them there The same for everyone a better or worse equal shine. Thank yous. Burgum was talking about the Mon. Another podcast saying that. He thought they were having trouble with reliability did you. 'cause you're in a triple eight Chassis did you guys have any problems with have a handle. The the bumps look I think Certainly there was a lot all bits and pieces thing done over the weekend and then United said certainly some Quality Dan. 'cause went went back for You know a bit of a review and the updated off for the weekend I don't know that there was much in the way of. Fowley is the sense They'll certainly some teething issues with something. rolled out in this guy. Oh and you know. They're quite different to the the damper. That have been running. So you know. I think that experiment experiencing some other components a fatiguing because of the damper works. It's a such a against for different lawyer what we used to look. I mean I I would say like anything. You GotTa have faith in your shoes. you know. They did the job You know we we didn't have any major issues. Was A fixable. You've had Gary Johnson now on board and you would have already seen him. He's being around the series for a number of years by soupy to in the main game. I'm I I would think that he's sort of to make some pretty big jumps Which you think in performance look wait. We oversee You know we've picked Gary because knowing that we're going to have a dedicated be how entry without a lot program. We one of the other traits be able to really drive owning lost the same Got Some good results in ten and maybe to shoot out that it was certainly on tension with Gary to which four that that same direction this year. And that was the target that we sit But we a lot of reparation for the season and Gary tastic It's a fitness and going overseas. It doing up a rope Wilson. Training thing like it was certainly putting in A LOT OF EFFORT. We all work to make sure that we're one hundred per head but unfortunately out of all of after pro gary struck down with a bit of a medically shoe at the preseason Taylor band which the battling Look at where we I think. On making sure that carries one hundred percents so that we can push for one And you know maybe just south of the mark might be a little bit of a a little bit up Not IDEAL SITUATION SPA ALBUM. Gary specifically prevent You know that's that's GonNa put a few hurdles to us that we You know we're just gonNA manage as best we can and Yeah my show. We come back stronger every weekend. You've been managing qualifies team through different categories for some years. Now and obviously you with father who's very experienced motoring obscene it in mind. Nia Seventy years that one of the fascinating things that happens is when you see young people trying to help other young people process of teaching. Somebody else can do. An enormous have an enormous impact on somebody. And I would think with Gary's opportunity with Vice Jacob. He can actually a bit through that process. I think it'd be watching that. Yeah and I'll say we're very happy with this year because as you can imagine Particularly that super like how the old saying is the first person you think might start now. It's very important for us that we were working together. Because if you might sit up fighting each other you can't move forward And we're very happy with the three causes because you know the two so young guys over there. Not that much younger than Gary. Certainly I using You know a lot more experience in terms of what's expected and you know and he's not looking at them as a couple young guards in the why he's been looking at the same byte that they're always working really well So we're very happy with that vibe and that's interesting cheap that eventually moving cool because you gotta work together with the same otherwise indeed. I'm has there been any last minute. Changes to any this'll shade. You're waiting for you guys off. Any of those sort of things For the United States where We're business as usual They'll they'll always be a few little tweaks With the nature of the headline acts that event sometimes some of our commercial activities and whatnot get married around and I mentioned with the phone. Bill on pedic in a bit of a disarray A lot of movement and the changes to the schedule will take al changes But we have business as usual Tempest the extra of ours. The situation what you not other other things that that big of a deal templates basically but I would say. The international fact is a huge concern. That we all WanNa take. What ASLI so yeah. We'll just we'll just do Abington Devon's To ensure we take precautions that and make sure we follow any direction to apply to the event. Well thanks Pat Stein of a Mesa. We greatly appreciate you spending Thomas. Other foods personally catching up with the growing freight. I'll be there for four days in the food to sing your too young charges on track and see they development through the weekend so again thanks for joining us. Met started on inside the gas. Now are all delighted to play in Day. We will and that's it for inside. Subic House will catch up with your Damore. Show inside sued. 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BM177:  How to Become a Super Successful Author

Book Marketing Mentors

32:23 min | 2 years ago

BM177: How to Become a Super Successful Author

"If you're an author or plan to be one get excited because this podcast is for you book marketing mentor is the only podcast dedicated to helping you successfully market and sell your book. If you're ready for him, powering conversations with successful marketing, mavens, then grab a coffee or tea and listen to your host, international bestselling author Susan Freedman. Welcome to marketing mentors. The weekly podcast where you learn proven strategies tools ideas and tips from the most as every week hundred use you to a marketing Mazda who will shed their expertise to help you market and Selma books today. My special guest is a super-duper entrepreneur and marketing expert. Matt stone, also known as buck flogging is an author and entrepreneur with twenty years of publishing experience his primary focus is providing high-quality services to authors at an affordable price through his many sites such as a hundred covers and affordable book, cover design service that does custom work for just a hundred dollars book ads book writer, bucks, and several others magin, I have recently been part of a team of authors who contributed to the USA today. Bestselling book. Right. And rich, Matt, I am so thrilled to welcome you to the show and thank you for being this week's guest expert at mental or Bank years, Greg, for calling my super-duper, I think I might need to record that little snippet and use that it's part of my personal resume. I like that. We'll good Matt's. I read through your chapter in right, and grow rich and their many things in there that you said about yourself and how you've been successful. And one of the most successful techniques you talk about is tapping into your personal potential. I would love to talk about that, and is this something that we could duplicate for all selves? I have got a funny back story in that I was really kind of aimless and I was living in Maui. And I went there and spent time on the beach and reading Eckhart Tolley, and trying to figure out why was wasn't happy all the time, you know, my focus in life was being happy and I just kind of I don't know. I was up and down. I didn't have much focus in my life. I was working as a cashier at a health food store or something like that. You know, I found that this aimlessness was really the cause of my mediocre. Her life, and the even rainbows and WALE song under the water and the beauty of the Hawaiian islands couldn't quite get me there. I got a good kick in the pants from the guy. Some of you might remember the movie the secrets, Dr John de MARTINI. I was in that kind of wishy washy, if he did be as and one eight to wake up in the morning. And think my way to prosperity and a wonderful life. I went there expecting more of the same from him. And he was actually very much the opposite. He kind of reminded me what I'd always known, which is that happiness comes from getting a sense of fulfillment that says, fulfillment comes from having done something really difficult. Worked really hard at it overcome those obstacles and conquered it. And that's where that true feeling of fulfillment hubs for him. And so that kind of reawakened me and steer me back in the right direction. I became really eager and excited to take on big challenges face those head on something bad happened. And I didn't say, oh, this is terrible. I'm gonna stop doing this. I was no longer try to avoid the negatives of life. I was just too focused on learning growing progressing in life. Mastering something seeking new information. I became really a sponge and became almost obsessive about my own personal development, impersonal, bro. And it just happened like the snap of a finger and it was like a light switch just went on. Even if you find that you're struggling to feel motivated, or inspired to go out there and actually accomplish something you maybe your frayed of the negative consequences that you might encounter such as not making money or failing or whatever those fears and phobias may be, you're literally, a snap, your fingers away from completely reinventing yourself and going about life with a completely different outlook in mindset. And that's what happened to me. I don't have the secret for how to magically do that. But. I know that, you know, I heard something that gave me a realization and it completely changed my life and I'm forever grateful for that. I know to D Mancini very well. I've done many of his programs. And so I know exactly what you're talking about. However, just that you don't tell a travel agent about your feelings about Hawaii. I don't know. Forint doesn't sell the fantasy very well of a Hawaiian happily ever after. But it's being stood. The truth of happiness is something that's happens internally is not something that any place or anything else in gives you, you at something, the degenerate from within yourself. And that's a painful truth that I headed discover right there in the sand in the sunshine, it really does come from within your passion for what you're doing. And that's a great segue into that. You've become very successful in your own right? Having written twenty boots and lets you recipe to become successful first and foremost, you have to actually do it take action. And I think I would have had a lot more success had I not been so overly eager to write in published a book. I was writing kind of low quality. Quality work. I wasn't spending a lot of time on, revision I was spending a lot of time, professionalising those products. I kinda just was in the right place at the right time in my kind of obsessive work ethic combined with timing of the digital publishing age those two things kinda collided to help me be successful. But I don't think of myself as being this transcendent talent as a writer, and I did a lot of sloppy work, and eventually that sloppy were caught up with me, and I have a lot of bad reviews on my books. They quit selling and I found that the new publishing environment. I'm encouraging people to do things differently than I did them and actually really strive for highly professional books inside and out, making sure that tons of time and dedication has put into it to make sure that you have a great product. Because if you have a product that's not great when you got and try to sell that product. You're facing a huge uphill battle, but it more bluntly, he has many times before saying a people are out there, trying to sell and market a turn, and I think is really important. First and foremost that you create something that is really, really of high quality is close, as you can get it to what the high quality, professional books that are coming out of the big publishing houses, and what they're putting out the closest you can get to that level of quality, and then go out and start marketing it, I think you'll find that formula works, a lot better than going out and trying to market, a book that was poorly strewn together not so great title is mediocre the covers mediocre the book descriptions, mediocre, it's kinda short book. It's not really complete were it doesn't feel Wadey, like what we traditionally think of as a book, that's the main thing that people need to focus on these days is getting the product, right? I remembering that's alternately. What sells the book is the book itself. And the way you present it having a good launch, and then that thing will actually get out there and sell pretty well, it'll be easy to market. So that's all begins. I think with the quality of the product in it's so easy to publish these days that I think a lot of people are gossiping over the import so that and thank you for saying that, because, in fact, that's a standard that we liked to have hitherto Viva publishing is that anything that we produce around also produce we wanted to have that saying, look, conceal that, if somebody picks it up that they wouldn't know that it was self published, and it could be from a traditional publisher of very easily. That's the quality that we want from all those, my first book just to give you guys an idea of Powell I violated, as my first book that I wrote was I didn't even edit the book. I didn't have it. Professionally formatted I just converted the word document to appeal, and then I uploaded it without a book cover at all and sold it on my website for nineteen ninety five or something like that. So we're talking about really low quality really have asking it wouldn't want anybody to follow that formula. I just happened to get lucky. It was early two thousand nine you could get away with doing that. And people would buy it but it's a different world now and we have to get back to doing quality work if you want to succeed, I think reflects on you to whatever you put down is a reflection of who you are. And how you represented in the marketplace. So I think this important, you've most building and Email list, and something that you do very well, an unknown that something that many of our listeners struggle with, how could you help them? They came to you and said. What advice can you give me about building a list? What would you tell them think has been true for a while? I think it's more true than ever, and I think it's going to continue to be true. I'm just telling people nowadays at one of to say is something that is unavoidable. They may not sound like a fun thing to do to you. When you're the first time it may not sound like a feasible thing to do. It may sound like a lot of work. But I really think that this is an unavoidable thing that needs to occur. If you wanna have big success, not only with your books, but your business, the whole semi might have maybe some coaching or some products or service or something you deliver the whole thing really depends hinges on -bility to form relationships with people who have an audience of your ideal, customers, some people might call this influence remarking. I think that's a little silly sounding. You know, a lot of people have put in years and years and years of hard work. To build an organic quality following. They do a lot of podcasting. And they do a lot of blogging. They spend a lot of time on social media. Do all this work, and they accumulate nice Email list to cly of hardcore fans and followers that open their emails and actually listen to what they say, and trust, and like that person, there's no higher quality traffic in possibly get from any other source other than getting a strong endorsement in referral from somebody who's already built tremendous trust with their Email subscribers. So they're also people who are subscribed to their Email list engine the emails. They're opening emails. They're listening to those recommendations in they're going and making purchases. Those are the ideal customers in general, and to be able to get people to send traffic to you from their Email list, and get them onto your Yuma list is incredibly powerful. And there's no easier more expedient way to build a just a massive Email list, then building some relationships with people who already have an Email list, and trying to figure out how to incentivize them to send some traffic your way. So one example, might be something I'm doing later this year with a colleague that I built a relationship with I think, we're probably going to put a book together where there is over a hundred authors and each author's gonna contribute, maybe one page in the book giving some advice as to what is working for them, and their business, then all one hundred authors are going to drive traffic over, and they will enter their Email address to get this book for free. We're expecting to get thirty forty fifty thousand emails subscribers like this Safa'a project. I think the participants are going to be really excited to be part of it. I think the participants are going to get great referrals and leads. For their own business by being part of it, and we're actually going to have a higher end product for sale on the back end. So everybody who sends traffic over is actually gonna get paid a commission for any sales that are generated from the leads that they send over this may sound really intimidating and really complicated. But all we're doing is sending emails out to people in inviting those people. How do we build relationships with people in order to be able to do that? Well, we all got to kinda know each other by participating in other events together and just kinda making ourselves part of the community, just like Susan I are doing right now. How did I reach out to you the first time, I think we were part of a like you said, the right and grow rich book together, and then either you sent something to me ask if I wanted to, to promote something of yours or maybe I did the same for you with a give grow launch that we did that India author super bundle. But either way here we are community. Getting in working together. And that's just how it works in all. It was sitting in Email, the not so not as hard as it seems to have people who have any Malysz start to get to know who you are in our, to China plan and figure out ways to work together and take advantage of each other's audiences. It's really that's a wonderful way to collaborate. And I think that so much plot of marketing is about these days. And you see other competitive so much as collaborators and it's really lovely on light the law to an interested to find out Zola. Yes, yeah, there's people who are desperate to get in front of new audiences. They're desperate to find more promotional partners. They can collaborate with. So when you reach out, and you have that intent of wanting to work other and help each other, and a mutually beneficial way, they're really excited everybody likes to grow their network. They have. The same needs and wants and desires that you do. And I find it's really easy to actually do this stuff. All you have to do is be nice and friendly, be eligible and, and make friends just like you would in the real world. And once you've made a few, and you've had some success than people start contacting you wanting to be brands because they've heard of you, and they saw you having success. They know you have some promotional power now. So now they want to be friends, and the whole thing can really take very quickly and you can have a nice group, you know, a big launch team ready to help launch your books launch team to help you lodger product, you can put together a vents and collaborative ideas like the one I just mentioned all throughout the year, and it's just a fantastic way to market your business, and it's not something that you have to sit around doing for forty hours a week. I mean, I spend maybe a few hours a week, communicating with people who are associated with like that. It's no big deal and it works great. Listeners love to learn about mistakes and either mistakes. You've made or you see that authors make in general, what would you share with us terrible Bersin, ask that question because I've never made a mistake by just been perfect starting finish. The moment I was bored. I've already gone over one of the big mistakes, which is giving sloppy work in kind of falling victim to the fact that you can publish a book so easily. Why bother to spend money on editing or professional book, cover, or been released think very hard about what kind of book you wanna writer what categories you're gonna target or, you know, just a lot of people not putting enough thought an effort into it. So that's a big one, but we've already gone over that. So, I'd say, I think the second one in keep in mind, I have a business that helps people set up and run ads for their books. Even having said that I think one of the biggest mistakes that people have made, and I've got lots of data toback this up is they're relying way too much on, or at least hoping to depend on your typical book promotions and paid advertising to sell their book. They think that they can write the book press the publish button. And then start marketing the book using AMS ads book Bubby ads book Bob's looking promotion with them or, you know, my sight buck books, which has promotions and doesn't. Of others and just kinda pay their way to being successful. That is completely backwards. I would say months and months of prelaunch work needs to go in. I would say eighty ninety percent of your marketing should be done before you press. The publishing button think that's a big big change in mindset for a lot of authors who just wanna right? They just wanna right? They've written the book. They're eager to publish it. Maybe they're eager to even go ahead. Move onto the next book, which is another big mistake, I hate to see people writing in publishing new book every month when they really should be working on writing at one masterpiece. That is so good. And it's been a half a year working on launching it with a huge bay with all their might and all their blood sweat poured into it. That's something that you can build a business around. That's a book that can sell weekend and week out for a decade and be the foundation of something that completely totally changes your life. I see people that. Just that whole way of attacking things doing mostly just writing publishing short bugs ocean, too often and not giving the book the love and at the launch that it deserves. You bring up an interesting point because one of the things that happens with many of the also says that I come into contact with is they don't feel they need to should do any marketing, until I actually have a product in hand, and you'll saying, I'm -solutely not an I quite agree with you. I think once they've got the book cover. They can stop marketing like crazy. I like to see people finishing their books completely the editing on the proof readings on the format used on the covers done. And then once you have something in hand, maybe even been, you have a stack of proof copies that you've ordered. And in a physical copy, everything has total, complete with the book, but it hasn't been published yet then you're looking at I think six months of prelaunch. That's if you've written a really great book, you put your heart and soul into it. It's really well thought out, you know, is going to be tremendous illustrator of growth of your business that you have in the periphery surrounding. In your business. If you have something that if it's successful your whole business is gonna blow up and everything's gonna work really just wonderfully then that's the kind of strategy that you need to be deploying to really make sure that it succeeds. You don't wanna give it a chance to fail really going out there and making sure that people like I said people with an Email list people with a hard earned audience they've spent years building that on it's may connections with those people. See if you can get people the lineup to promote your book, when it launches offered to do favors for them in anything that you can possibly do. If you can't get them to do that think of some other way, put together some big event or something anything to get some emails subscribers that you can launch too, but really make sure to put the groundwork. And if you don't have any promotional power, I don't think you just throw up your arms in the air and say, well, I don't have any way to launch this book proper. Early instead of just thinking about it, and worrying about, I'm just going to press the publish button and see what happens. I think that could worked five years ago, and it did work for a lot of people. But that's just not the publishing environment anymore. It's just too many books being published Amazon's algorithm is betting for quality. I just don't think you can get away with that. You have to have a good solid lodge a rate product. I hope you're the message sharing the day's coming through loud and clear because I would love to see everybody putting more effort into the ball either book and the launch doing the marketing before the book is published not after I know covers on something that you feel very strongly about to consider little bit about that. Do love book covers, and I've made it my focus over the last year and a half. Now just been dedicated and fixated focused entirely on book covers as my primary focus, so I have a book cover business. One hundred covers where we do a hundred dollar book covers and now. A team of eight designers and we're working really hard to be the best in the business, but I'm not trying to be so promotional we already have more business than we know what to do. Our businesses coming investor than I can hire, and train people to make good book covers in what I've been trying to tell people about book covers now that I've overseen four thousand book, promotions and over ten thousand ads I really see the power of a book cover. I really developed a team I've or something that I know is going to respond well with paid marketing and something that's not gonna respond well with paid marketing, and I think that's give me a very unique perspective. And I would say that the main thing that people fail to understand, when it comes to book covers is what a book cover is in what is job is think a lot of people, especially in fiction, and I know you're most of the people listening today are authors of nonfiction, but in fiction, particular, the book covers looked at sometimes in an overly artistic way. And I just try to remind people what would a book cover is. It's not art known as ever bought a book cover to display on their wall. As a piece of art is just not what it's for. It's not art. It's actually product packaging, so that may not sound very glamorous and sexy and may not pill. You know, some of your Tissot since abilities, but at the end of the day of book is product packaging in, when I think about product, packaging, the first thing, I think about our girls toys for young girls. And what that I'll looks like it's a sea of pink. It's a funny thing because I think a lot of us want to create that book that stands out, we wanna be different. We wanna be unique. And I think what the girls toil teaches us is that because a lot of the big successful toys, like Barbie, because they've been hugely successful. And because they were pink now young girls associated, the color pink with something that is a. Girl's toy for them. It's kind of a funny thing in that you were to create a girl's Toyin package it and bright, green and make it look very different a girl, simply gonna walk pass it without even noticing it because it doesn't look like the toy for her doesn't look like a girls because it doesn't have those characteristics that in their minds. They already associate with being gross toy. The same is true for books and book covered. If you're wanting to create a very effective book, cover then you need to look very carefully at what is selling because what is selling well is what determines what your book cover should look like because it determines what that type of book looks like if ten million people have read, Eckhart Tolley power of now, which has a sort of greenish yellowish, look to it, then people if they see another book that has that type of look to it, they're going to say, oh, that looks like a book, I already know in red and liked, and I want more of that type of book, and they can immediately recognized. That is being kind of a new age spiritual book, that's going to give them more of what they want. And so, I think the most important thing with a book cover is that it actually. And Derek Murphy is done a great job of putting this in really simplistic terms. He say is best to blend in not stand out. You don't wanna stand out to be different. You wanna to actually blend in and have the look and feel of other bestsellers in your category? It's a small thing, but it makes a huge difference when ego about crafting, the right book cover for your book is going to sell the most copies. I'm going to be going up and down goals oils, now not all of them are only peak, but they're all have a little bit of pink in there and they're all clearly identifiable. They'll have a same general look and feel because how would a little girl knows the twenty for her if it didn't look like that, that you've talked to little bit about you services, tell us a little bit more. How what he can get a hold of you, if they want to learn more about what you want. You know obviously my focus now. I was the book covers I would love for us to come and visit and check out the site and use us for your future book covers that's one hundred covers dot com, just the numbers one zero zero in one hundred dollars in we do custom work with unlimited revisions than we just work as hard as weekend to make sure you get that, right. And I'm guiding the process. I'm the one telling the designers no, no, let's make it look a little bit more like this book covers that selling a thousand copies a day, rather than that process works really well, and we're just getting better so fast. And that's a great place to get a hold of me and to take advantage of my twenty years in the publishing industry and all that I've been through and all the promotions, I've run and all the advertisements, I've helped run for authors. That's the best place, I think to go and take advantage of all the knowledge that I've gotten, and we've got some books that are selling five hundred dollars a day, plus that we did the covers for. And I'm really proud of I think we've got a lot more of those in. If you were to leave our listeners with the golden nugget, you've given us so much wisdom already. But just going to squeeze you little bit more. What would that be? I'm gonna go back and say, just reiterate what I've said before I think the movement towards creating higher quality products. I think that movements all ready happening without me, telling you that your book needs to be good. I'll say the big focus eighty to ninety percent of your marketing should be before the book is published not after I think that makes a big difference. That's what's going to ensure the success of your book that also forces, you to go out there and build those partnerships and build your network doing those things is really important. It more important than the book itself. It's bigger than the book itself, and that network, you can go to the well on a gin and again, and again, make sure that any never you do successful. And that's how I've been successful all my success to that. If you can remit to doing eighty to ninety percent of your marketing before you press the publishing. Button. That's gonna make a huge huge fundamental difference in the success of your author business. Thank you so much for sharing. And thank you for taking time out of your precious day to listen to the interview, and I sincerely hope that it spot some ideas, you can use to Soma books, his wishing you much marketing success. The time is now to take action and finally build your book, selling empire, and the great news is that Susan is here to help you, visit Fook marketing mentor dot com and sign up for a free fifteen minute. Book marketing strategy session with Susan, she'll help you discover your first steps to marketing and selling your book only those who take action are rewarded so visit book marketing mentor dot com, and we'll see you again next week. Hi Susan, again with marketing tips. I recently picked up a copy of a book that I wrote several years ago, cold seven secret motivators that drive your customer to the buy button. Thought I wonder if there is some tips in here that might be useful for my overs, and guess what? So what is it that you need to know about your customers, so that they guaranteed to buy from you over and over again, when it comes to buying anything from simple needs to expensive machinery, different buying motivators influence, the decisions, people make understanding what these motivators all, and how they make your customers to simplifies any national getting strategy? Luckily, you don't have to reinvent the wheel tons of psychological research is already gone into identifying some of the most common buying motivators over the next few weeks. I'm going to share with you. Seven secret buying motivators. Some of them. Powerful and universal ingredients that influence customers buying behavior as a -ffective and savvy marketers. You job is firstly to understand recognize these incredibly powerful reasons for buying then when you Groff what drives you customers decision making, you can better position your products and services to appeal to their once a needs when it comes to buying anything it all boils down to the power of buying motivators. What buying Fatos? Why did I buy this? I don't even like it. Have you stood at your closet door? Pummeling the contents and also Kim night question. Sometimes the choices me make up puzzling, and inexplicable even to offense puzzling, and inexplicable, that is until you step back and consider your buying motiva-. Maters perhaps, he put choosed the offending outfit in question, because you thought it would make you look more professional in Hansson, your chances for promotion. That's the need for power and control manifesting pleasing perhaps he picked out that outfit with another need in mind. Motivated by the need for love and sex, you purchase clothing to make irresistible buying motivators of the reason that we as individuals make decisions. We make. There are lots of names for buying motivators. They cool motivations will reasons or influences to understand buying motivators. You have to know that what we're really talking about here is simply expression of somebody's needs purchase products or services in a certain way at a certain time to fulfill a need that. Motivated, them and not show. Chinon next time I'm going to war about those seven buying motivators until next time keep exercising, your marketing muscle.

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Be it Resolved: The COVID-19 pandemic proves that globalization is a failed experiment

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Be it Resolved: The COVID-19 pandemic proves that globalization is a failed experiment

"I think it's time for this toxic, binary, zero sum Matt Stone. We're not an imperial power. Where Revolutionary Powell. We are no longer in a world where you can pot out mood. Statesman to states land like a chessboard. You don't know anything about my background where I came from, it doesn't matter to you because fundamentally on the mean white man. We can't do this to the next generation because a miracle will cease to exist. Welcome to the Munk, debates podcast every episode we provide you with civil and substandard debate on the big issues of the day, free of spin focused on the facts and animated by smart conversation to arm you the listener with enough information to make up your own mind. Today's debate. It resolved the Komen. Nineteen pandemic proves that globalization is a failed experiment. Extraordinary alert has gone out across the NHS. An impending shortage of PP the government effectively confirming that there's a shortage of people we will be denying entry to Canada to people who are not Canadian citizens or permanent residents. We will be today terminating our relationship with the world, Health Organization the EAR risks failing as a project in the coronavirus crisis. That's what's Italy's prime minister has told the BBC. Hello I'm your moderator. Read your griffiths while the Covid, nineteen pandemic has brought our globalized world to a grinding halt borders closed supply chains vanished into thin air in the future of multilateral institutions, like the WHO in supranational organizations like the European Union seemed to hang in the balance. Skeptics of globalization say the pandemic has exposed the shaky foundations of our hyper connected world. We have to bring our product that club. We have to make product in this country. We can't be hostage because that's what we are. We can't be hostage to other countries China in particular, but also to other countries. Critics argue that globalization as we know, it has failed to deliver critical how supplies in the crunch it is also a system that benefits the one percent and multinationals at the expense of economic equality, the environment in democratic institutions. Supporters of globalization believed that the solutions to the pandemic whether they be economic public health or foreign aid. Why not indeed globalization, but in fostering interconnected inclusive world only through increased global cooperation in effect more globalization can we overcome the daunting challenges that lie ahead on this installment of the Munk debates podcast challenged the essence of these arguments by debating the resolution be it resolved the covid nineteen pandemic proves the globalization is a failed experiment. Arguing for the motion is Marshall our back. A writer and commentator on economics in a critic of globalization. He's also a research associate at the Levy Institute Arguing against the motion is one of the world's foremost authorities globalization, an Oxford professor former advisor to Nelson Mandela in a former vice president of a World Bank in Golda in Marshall. Welcome to the munk debates podcast. Thanks for having us. It's a pleasure to be part of the munk debates. I'm really looking forward to this conversation. You know if we think about all the issues that we're trying to wrap our minds around as this pandemic. Pandemic unfolds the future and fate of the global economy is is surely top of that list and the ideas swirling around globalization in a age of the pandemic, and what comes after is a vital question to consider its F- to people of your caliber available to us today to to delve into this to explore these ideas and themes around where globalization is going after covid nineteen is is a privilege indeed so what we're GONNA do. As per all these podcasts put two minutes on the clock for each of you for opening statements to debate our motion. Be It resolved code? Nineteen proves that globalization is a failed experiment. Marshall You are speaking in favor of the motion so as per debate tradition. You get to go first. Let's have it. Thank you rod as you say, I am arguing in favor of the proposition, my only slight quibble with it is the argument that the covid nineteen per. Per Se proves that globalization is a failed experiment. I think if you've been looking at what's been happening to the global economy over the last twenty years. There have been many warning signs suggesting that the the model is flawed and I think I would prefer to characterize Kobe nineteen as the straw that broke the camel's back. If globalization was a military campaign, we would describe it as being guilty of mission creep because what we mean by globalization has rapidly. Rapidly changed over the last twenty or thirty years, so in the first instance globalization was largely associated with the with a free trade trade of finished goods That's certainly the way it was in the Pre World War One period in more recent years it has expanded in a much more destructive direction. We had the localization of capital in the nine, hundred, eighty, nine, thousand, nine hundred, and that gave us our first warning signal. We had the Asian financial crisis. Crisis in Nineteen, Ninety, seven, Ninety, eight, that gave us one sign that maybe globalization had gone too far, but in fact that warning sign was ignored, and we quickly went to the globalization, of Labor, we had a number of companies that began to take advantage of this liberalized capital and liberalized industrialization to offshore a considerable amount of their manufacturing facilities, notably in the United States. Let's facilitated the Global Labor arbitrage. If you like which had two effects you had. Better significant rises of inequality in most of the developed economies and significant declines in living standards for many Western workers, we had the rise of the so-called precarious, which are people with the characterized by, but she no income security, no employee benefits, and all of this was facilitated by the fact that. If these workers didn't accede to Lower Labor standards. The jobs could easily be moved off. And that's all comes at a cost of. Enhancing Innovation Investment and moving to the higher end of the technology. And I think that's why. Companies are countries rather like Japan. Continue to prioritize manufacturing closer to home, they they do globalize to a degree, but they do retain significant clauses at home. Now you notice. I haven't yet mentioned a covid nineteen I will do so because those buried global supply chains, as we can see a become vectors of contagion and have disrupted passively to provide protective equipment to help our. Our populations cope with Kobe nineteen. I think globalization has also contributed to the environmental degradation, which is another symptom which cove nineteen is part you had localized farming being replaced by a globalized industrialized farming fords were being decimated through logging and the exploration for minerals and fossil fuels global economy, so you brought humans into formerly remote areas and close pathogens which have been in wildlife board generations so Kobe. Is One of those new pathogens which shows as nature striking back so as far as I'm concerned. It's hard for globalization advocates to claim success in given the multiplicity of a pathologies which I described Marshall. Thank you for that summation. Let's go to Ian now to get his opening statement. Arguing against motion be resolved. covid nineteen proves that globalization is a failed experiment in your opening statement. Please thank you very much, Roger. Far from covid nineteen, proving that globalization is a failed experiment. It proves the opposite. It shows that globalization needs to be stronger. It shows that we need more connective Ity, and of course that we need to harvest the goods of globalization while stumping the bodies in many respects, the world has never been more connected than this today and this debate online digitally is one representation of that for me. Globalization means the flows across national borders of goods. Goods of services of trade, and of course of ideas, many dimensions, and he's not new country to what martial suggests these have always been the different dimensions of globalization, and the potential space is soaring something like ten times, the level of digital flows this month as compared to the same month a year ago and we see it in different ways we see in the worldwide response to black lives matter protests in over one hundred countries within. Within one week, another aspect of globalization, the spread of ideas more rapidly than ever in the past we've seen this in the past with the spread of the metoo movement of Human Rights of democracy around the world, and so when we think of globalization, we should only be thinking about financial flows with trade flows. We should be thinking about a much broader set of different dimensions of it ideas traveling and we certainly of focused on the. The news reports of how covid nineteen has spread around the world from Wuhan into well over two hundred countries. Now in that respect, we've never been more globally aware, and of course we also aware that to resolve this. We need a global response. We need a vaccine. We need collaboration of scientists around the world, and of course to stop the next pandemic, which could be even worse than this. We're going to need much more global collaboration. Biz No wool high enough. That will protect us in our futures. That will keep out the threats posed by pandemics by climate change. And by the other great threats, we face for future, but what high walls will keep out. Is the technologies, the export opportunities the imported goods and services, the finance, the people skills, and most of all the ideas, and the will to cooperate, and so we in grave danger, my turning back on globalization that we turn our back on each other. We enter a Cold War. TWO POINT ZERO! We entered downward spiral. Of increasing nationalism and protectionism, and that would increase the risks of the next pandemic would increase the risks associated with climate change and would undermine the potential for resolving this pandemic. Globalization has brought more progress to more people more quickly than any process. In history of over two billion people have been lifted out of poverty over the last forty years by this not least in Asia, but also in many other regions. But globalization has not only progress. It is not only good. It's endemically also very bad. An ugly in my two thousand fourteen book the by the flight defect. I predicted that the pandemic would happen and lead to the next economic crisis, and that's because my understanding of globalization is that it spreads bads as well as goods, the super spreaders of the goods like airport hubs, or also, the super spreaders of the band's and we don't resolve that by stopping globalization. Resolve that by working together. This pandemic could have been stopped. It worked together. If we resource the WHO effectively if we'd worked with international institutions to stop pandemics, just like climate change can be slowed and we can move to zero Kaban, just like poverty can be overcome. I think we need to understand that. Globalization is both the source of progress and the source of danger. What we need more of is globalised politics, working together to stop the threats to harvest globalization and ensure that it's more inclusive and benefits everyone in the world. Thank you in a compelling opening statement in defense of globalization. Now look, it's an opportunity for this audience I think to hear. Hear, both of you kind of Rabat each other's opening statements as I'm going to put a second two minutes on the clock for both you Marshall in you into to hear what you'd like to challenge coming out of the opening moments of this debate, so Marshall I'm GonNa come to you i. what did you hear Indians opening remarks that you'd like to take exception with well a few. Few things he's right. It's wonderful. We have a globalization of ideas and I don't think there's anything at the nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties, which prevented a a Greek flow of information I'm own favourite bet I'm more concerned about the downsides that I think Ian chose to allied somewhat mainly financial flows trade flows, because yes, black lives matter undoubtedly, but one of the things that would help enhance slack. Slack lives would be better quality jobs for the lack underclass along these countries and I think globalization is often worked against it. We've had a very selective interpretation of globalization. The has been an emphasis on the harmonisation of industrial standards. The protections afforded by intellectual property rights and global trade agreements. There's been very little Hamas -Ation of environmental standards or labor standards, but it seems to me that. Is Actually facilitated the only labor arbitrage, but the lowest form of regulatory arbitrage in the form of in environmental standards as regards the health issues that he's raised I have not been as impressed with the response that the WHO as given I. Don't WanNa go trumpian about this, but I do think that their lack of closure in the the first. Two months of the of course you weeks of the crisis was was some. Unconscionable and it is true. We often hear being said that the viruses don't respect borders. Yes, as far as it goes, that's true. It's a bit of a fabulous idea, though because viruses might not respect orders, but people do, and it was be shutting down the borders that actually helped bring the endemic to a halt it to a large degree. Had We just persisted with them? Continuing everything as it is, the contagion would have been much worse. I would also point out that in Europe where we do have a Acquai-, Zai globalized or Or region structure of the European Union of the responses to the pandemic have been pretty ineffective at a supranational level contrast I think the countries that responded vigorously, and the national level did a much better job at at containing the virus that would be places like Germany example, but my point is that when push came to shove and we got to crisis point. People didn't say my God I'd better look to Brussels I've got to the World Trade Organization. WHO FOR HELP? They look to the nation state, and that's where they logic authorised. Didn't thank you. Marshall let's Bring you in an for your rebuttal of Marshall Statement. Is there a particular pointer to that? Marshall's made in? Also in his response to your opening marks that you'd like to draw a line under. Yes, thank you very much I. Don't think that I could ever be accused of. Not Focusing on the downsides of globalization arisen numerous books, and all my work is how to make globalization better. It's extremely imperfectly, but one doesn't make it better by killing it. One doesn't solve the problems of climate change by killing globalization when dozens solve the problems of pandemics by killing globalization, when resolves these things by working together more by ensuring we have rules and regulations that operate for the world, and that the biggest power, not least the US. Abide by these rules. We need to close the tax havens. Ensure that the H. is reformed. The whole multilateral system requires urgent reform. It requires not only the reforms needed to ensure they fit for twenty-first-century purpose, but they require the resources as well. They require the leadership, but that doesn't come from withdrawing from them. It comes by being active shareholders. These institutions which are owned by governments, these are institutions which can only be as good as we allow them to be. Global rules can only be as good as we allow them to be. And the reason we have tax havens and the reason we have a week. Who and the reason why we aren't able to manage more effectively is because our governments are deliberately allowing these supranational institutions to with not least the. The US and the UK where I'm based, I also would strongly contest the idea that the European Union has shown itself ineffective. If you compare the European Union countries responses to covid nineteen to the rest of the world, it's no accident that they opening up written is months behind partly because the left the European Union the European Union through. Brussels has given over three trillion dollars of support to countries and has stopped countries like Italy going into financial ruin, kept the spread low on the Italian bonds, relatives who what they would have been so I think maybe acted to eight, but that requires political consensus but I think if anything. What the European Union has proven is that it can be effected. Under this plan the European Union will borrow seven hundred and fifty billion euro on the financial markets. This would actually mark the first time that EU countries have jointly issued that at any kind of scale. The reason we have a disastrous global economy at them. The reason we have unprecedented levels of unemployment is because of these classes. If we want to restore the global economy, we're going to have to restore travel and trade and investment, and we'll the other things that globalization has brought, and as I'm sure Marsha would agree that is what needs to be done urgently. We need a better globalization if we ought to try and bounce forward. Forward to a better world in all respects so I. Don't see Covid Nineteen starring that that's a fairly experiment. I think what it's proven is that we need to rethink globalization have globalization in the future. Thank you the end. Well, look now. We get a chance to dive into a lot of your. He arguments and kind of pressure tests some of the assumptions that both of you have made in your opening statements and rebuttals. Marshall. Let me come back to you with an kind of push you a little bit on key point here because again I want to. This debate a little bit around where we find ourselves right now. Facing this pandemic Yin is making a compelling case here that the way out of this pandemic released the way to mitigate its worst facts is to double down on globalization to resist the desire to huddle within our nation states. Instead we should be uploading to supranational organizations to a global concerted response that uses the institutions. The knowledge pathways. Globalization has built over the last fifty years. Why isn't that the right? Right way for Marshall Well. The answer to that is because it hasn't really worked so far I support the aspirations, but you know as I indicated in my opening statement We've had one global disaster. After another we liberalize capital flows in the nineteen eighties and nineties under pressure from from wall. Street and global financial institutions that led to a disastrous economic outcome in Asia, and it was only when these governments responded with a a more nationalistic response and and actually. Turned off. These globalised closed or mitigated to some degree that we will get a resolution and likewise I. Think you know we had the same problems in two thousand and eighteen, thousand nine and I also worry about the lack of democratic accountability in many of these organizations. The protesters message loud and clear they don't want to. The plan free trade agreement between the EU and the USA is meant to create economic growth. The talks are secret effect that troubles many. Not even members of parliament are locked. See the documents. We have trade agreements that are being being slammed through national parliaments without any kind of real democratic oversight. We have local authorities within smaller jurisdictions. WHO's A legal systems are effectively undermined by these global framework which actually tend to prioritize the interests of large multinational corporations rather than many of the smaller countries, so the kind of globalization that we have as opposed to. In. Desires has actually exacerbated the problems not solve them as far as European Union response, let's see how things are and another year from now I think countries like Italy and Spain for example have been absolutely devastated by Hobart nineteen. I think it's too early to say that. There's been an effective response given. It's true that the UK and the US have been uniquely dysfunctional, but I would argue that countries like Germany for example have managed the response to the pandemic, much more effective, but they've done so at a national level. This hasn't been done at a global level. Thank you, Marshall. In, let me kind of unpack I think one of Marshall's. He argues here that that would resonate with a lot of listeners. It's that there's a a lack of trust in globalization. There's a perception out there. That globalization is really unfolded in the service of capital, big capital, and primarily elite interests and I think what many people have seen in the context of the public reaction to this pandemic as Marshall, as described as a kind of rush back to this perceived safety incoherence of the nation state. What's really driving it? Is it these altruistic use a narratives that that you've subscribed to it? Or is it something more self interested less connected with the the interests of of average people who have to now live with this pandemic. I think the answer is that it's both globalization can and has been manipulated, and I would agree with Marshall, and I was deeply vote for I. It was Nelson Mandela's economic advised I advocated that we did not simply liberalized capital controls of for example there are aspects of it, not least in finance, which are deeply stabilizing, not only the financial flows, bengals, the things like tax havens, but when you ask why these haven't been reformed and I've been part of numerous reform efforts in different areas, the G, twenty and others to join. Companies should pay taxes in the country where they made the prophets. Principle behind the G. Twenty communicate calling for a crackdown on tax avoidance by multinational firms. All comes back to the US leader with the reforms by the fact that the US one allow the always CD agreement, which is on the table and ready to be implemented on tax evasion to be implemented because the US is vetoing when you ask about the pressure placed on countries by the global institutions like the IMF capital count liberalization whereas coming from. It's coming from the US Treasury so to suggest that somehow the global world is worse than the national. National World is to not understand the power play. These global institutions and global rules are only as strong as the players that make them so it requires management. There are many brilliant aspects of the United. Nations could be much better, and that's obviously one aspect of it, and yes, it does in the end involve nation states, saying there live bide by global rules. It's like being part of a sports team. When the referee shows the Orange Card red car blows. Blows the whistle everyone has to following the rules, and if the big powers like the USA, we'll just ignore these rules then. We shouldn't expect them to work. If we ignore the rules of the W. H., show for example we shouldn't expect a pandemic management perfected the reason why Germany has been amongst the most effective countries, and this is true of all the countries including Vietnam for example, which is zero deaths is that they implemented the W. H.? Guidelines Very. Very quickly very early, and followed them insidiously the countries that ignored them like the U, k the US and Brazil have done the worst Germany has done well, but it's done well as part of Europe, not against Europe, and so I don't see. The Tradeoff of Europe is composed of nation states that are working together in many many areas, so my own view is that yes, it is certainly the case, the many areas of globalization that need improvement that. That have to be improvement and finance is certainly one of them, and they is a lack of democratic accountability in institutions because of WHO's making the rules often, but that is not resolved by killing globalization that is resolved by fixing the system, and if one wants to go the alternative route of killing globalization, they'll be even less rules than you. On world of survival of the fitness, the world of the jungle we have global bullies basically setting the rules you. You back to world like the world of the Cold War or like the world in the into period, and that's not a world, which is best the idea that somehow if your bondage globalization, the world would be in harmony is complete fantasy. We'd have much was climate change. We would have much was pandemics. We'd have more financial instability and we'd have much higher levels of poverty because the people that still haven't climbed the development curve would be condemned to. To stay at the lower rungs for their futures, so I don't see how a bonus shing globalization. If had that magic wand would solve the problem I think the only solution is to fix it Marshall. Let's hear you come back on those points their their key look. One of the most successful responses to the pandemic was in Taiwan I think they had about seven deaths bay are as in knows pretty well issued from in the within the W. H. O.. O. Because of the global politics, that is an instance of one example of global bullying by the government in Beijing I'm not against a forms of global collaboration. I mean I look at something like NATO, where you have a series of nation states together how decided to form a collaborative defense alliance, and and yes, the US dominates that, but it is a fundamentally good example I think of a globalised cooperation, but it's largely gun at the nation state level. You're listening to the debates podcast. BE IT resolved? The covid nineteen pandemic proves that globalization is a failed experiment. Speaking for the motion is Marshall. Our back, economics, writer and commentator and a research associate at the Levy Mix Institute of Bard College. Arguing against the motion is Ian, Goldin? Former vice president of World Bank advisor to Nelson. Mandela, and a professor at Oxford University. Now back to episode. Talk shows a bit about the rise of populism, and it's less attractive variant of authoritarian movements on the right I mean. These were becoming more entrenched fryer to the pandemic. In now arguably that the pandemic seems to have accelerated an emboldened a lot of these autocrats or wannabe autocrats in in their ability to us, national governments, national tools to implement and Mold far-reaching responses to this pandemic I entrenching their power, wise at just a profoundly negative work scenario for globalization, going forward on the increase in populism and the political changes that covid nineteen has accelerated I. Think what we need to understand is that it's accelerating. On all dimensions changes that would have occurred over a longer period of time sunny done that in the digital space I think it's doing that in the protests base, and it'll do in different dimensions of globalization I think like all of a dimensions of fist senses of injustice. The pandemic is accelerating inequality and this inequalities. Making people understand that angry. A and we've seen it not. Not least in the FIS-, the justified in my views protests against what we still killing in George, Floyd, the discrimination I think the potential for a new world, the potential for the pandemic bringing change has certain Negron, and there's a real danger as you point out that that will not be towards more open inclusive society where we overcome inequality and where we make globalization work. Work for everyone and for the planet, but Rav more populous than autocratic. This is up for grabs and one of the reasons. I feel so strongly that we need to defend a pin. This an integration coordination is that I think this response of hunkering down is one hearing in many ways from Marshall is one that people are making, but at least two downward spiral. Spiral it leads to done with spiral in which we are less able to work together. We enter code. Would two point zero? The world economy slows down and we have escalating threats, pandemic climate change and other risks, and of course, growing inequality within countries and between countries, and that would be a very dangerous world. It would be a world heading towards in my view dystopia. And so the stakes are very high. That were able to see this pandemic is an opportunity of solidarity so there to between the young and the old saw richie between communities, and within countries, and between them so Marshall before I go to closing statements I want you to respond to this point around the kind of future and fate of democracy of openness of parallelism in the context of the future of globalization because you. You have a contrary view. You actually think that there could be a flourishing of traditional democracy in an era of globalization thinker. All our listeners would like to hear how that in fact could be the kids well. A few points I bank one is that populism I think is a direct reaction to the kind of globalization. Uber Alles mentality that is sort of over the world in the last thirty years I don't think. That's any accident that it during these high water marks globalization that we saw the rise of breaks, and also the essential Belmont trump to the presidency in November, two thousand sixteen, I think he became the voice sincere, not for an increasing number, two Americans who count themselves a bigger among the biggest losers of globalization. The rust belt came out in full force for Donald Trump last night. It seems in four years the Russ Spell. has made a real sizeable shift to the right joining me. Now is every four years. We have an election country. There's always promised to do something for them, but nothing ever happens. We talk about retraining them. We never do they are is missed a what the economists like to call negative externalities of free trade, which to me sounds a little bit like You know what the the. Describes as collateral damage when the bombing missions goes astray from they accidentally kill a bunch of civilians rather than a military targets. I'm not talking about putting up walls although i. do think that we could start thinking in terms of facturing, there's no reason why we couldn't for example introduce more local content requirements into manufacturing processes to ensure that there's a a degree of high quality jobs that. That are left on the home shores. We used to have these things called national industrial policies of they were very very positive outcomes, and during the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties in the nineteen eighties, market, fundamentalism, and the enthusiasm for globalization British took off, and these types of ideas that came discarded I would like to see us turned back to that that would entail some intelligent. Collaboration among Labor governments and businesses together thank you. Marshall let's go to closing statements. Now you've think provided us with the the key pillars of your arguments, pro and con are motion today be resolved, covid nineteen proves the globalization as a failed experiment so Marshall. Let's have your closing statement now and your thoughts for our audience in terms of how they should be thinking about this issue, the future of globalization in the aftershocks of the COVID nineteen pandemic. What do you want our audience to take away from this debate? I think that in some ways I view globalization in the negative pathologies. You know constantly watched. Watched them grow. We've had constant warning signals, and there is never any inclination to say. Hit the pause button. It's more. Let's do more of the same unless expanded and to me. That's just a wrong approach of. If you've got a disease embedded in your system, you don't simply say well. I'd like to let the disease one ramp. You try to stop it in an isolated to, and that's usually the starting point for a cure, and as I pointed out earlier, the other problem I have with globalization. Today is that it is not largely address. Many of the issues matter to the vast majority working people the emphasis. Emphasis alkalis ation sense to be made much tilted towards a bat, which benefits our elites? The harmonization has been on common industrial standards, the liberalisation of financial systems intellectual property rights including pharmaceutical patents, and I said these kinds of harmonization's benefit transnational firms investors on Wall Street or the city of London and the holder of intellectual property rights in Silicon Valley's with the ask majority of people. There's a degree in which I think we. We have to take a step back in order to establish a better foundation going forward, not necessarily putting up wall so much as pausing and having the humidity considered that there may be. Be An alternative approach that eliminates many of qualities that globalization has presented over the last twenty or thirty years, and also included that. Thank you Marshal Ian I'm going to put two minutes or so on the clock for you. Let's hear your summation of this debate. What are the key points that you'd like listeners to leave this conversation with a new appreciation and understanding of globalization, the flows across national borders of goods, services, trade and ideas is a vital dimension of the world, and it's important that we understand it better, and we manage it more effectively. It has many good aspect, but also very dangerous aspects to. It certainly the case that the financial crisis of two thousand eight was badly managed by the financial experts globally, and if it had not been for that, we will not struggling, not have president trump in the white, house or Brexit in Britain, but some countries handled it very very well, and we're not as negatively impacted, and that leads to very important conclusion that national policies matter when it comes to the management of globalization, if you compare countries in the world all under. Under the same global system, you'll see very different outcomes compare China and the US for example, both in the same globalized world, handling it very differently within Europe, you can compare Denmark, which has one of the lowest levels of inequality in the world and very satisfied people in the same is true of many Scandinavian countries with people in Britain and inequality. Here is extremely high and rising, and of course we have high levels of dissatisfaction on many dimensions, same system different outcomes. Outcomes and that points to the importance of national policies, but global policies always important, and we really need to have global rules which ensure that finance does not hide its taxes and tax havens that ensure that we stop climate change, and as we dramatically seats today that we stop the next pandemic. This will not be done by countries becoming more nationalist and protectionist and undermining global institutions that would lead to far worse outcomes. What we've seen with the pandemic whether it's the. The range of food or not supermarket shelves with getting face marks from abroad whether it's seen that our future lies in trying to revive our economies by reintegration with the world that we need of as we need them for our health to stop the next pandemic, we need them to stop climate change, and we need them in order to ensure that we will thrive as humanity so if we want to prioritize people and planet. It's important that we work more with others. Sham with others, and by working together create a better world, and that for me is the benefits of globalization. It's good. It's bad, and it's ugly, but one dozen Hav the goods by killing it. That would only escalate the bad and ugly aspects. We harvest the goods. Improve globalization by working together. Thank you, in while Ian Marshall I wanna just on behalf of our audience, express my appreciation for civil substantive enriching debate. This is one of the big issues that we're all. All grappling with now it's complicated. It's nuanced. Both of you brought a lot of hard. One experienced in more importantly, I think the tone of trying to reach four shared understanding reach for in appreciation of the bigger issues and ideas that are driving the public conversation around globalization on behalf of the month debate audience. Thank you both for being part of this debate today it's been a great pleasure, a great pleasure, and thank you again rugged vote for doing such great job of moderating. While that wraps up today's debate, I want to thank our participants in golden and Marshall Our back certainly gave us a lot to think about a real treat of debate in terms of opening our minds too big issues, the forces that will shape the debate around globalization in the months and years to come the munk debates podcast. Is that place that special place for civil? 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Inside Supercars - #276 Thursday - Klimenko, Jones, Croker, and Stone

Inside Supercars

16:36 min | 1 year ago

Inside Supercars - #276 Thursday - Klimenko, Jones, Croker, and Stone

"Naimatullah Jones Dick Johnson from team. Penske and you're on in Subic from the rice treks across Australia. He is inside supercars. Welcome back to inside because it's a day to twenty twenty Grand Prix and making your house or having we put away yes. Unfortunately but It's the White House. He might have inside the wall. There's of course there's well there's rain or snow or this drought till there's dust so this instals we mother nature. We can't help. Have you had any communication served as management around? Oh just a norm. That goes after the change. We'll keep you updated. They were very they. Were very very good. Sean same even sent one to forty in the morning. Your design. We're on top of the. We'll we'll keep you updated. We at this round Melvin. They liked the second cog in the wheel side. I really didn't have any sign. We we just go with the flow. Yuck knows amaze me that time crowds which racist to. How would you feel about that? Bryce here for liberty in a dream state. Sometimes I would say yeah I would say fans 'cause it's hot the other you know. We are a fan based entertainment sports series. We will end the Mike's Sport once or twice is because of the bars. I understand but you can't do that. You can't do that to the fan. How do we draw? I'd rather not race and make it up during the then Then rice in front of nobody because the battle what makes spoke good. It's the cheering in the vein new when someone knocks into someone else in someone else goes across the line. We don't do us but without the fans here okay. It's only hours. After it was opinion was pool so to speak. Have you had any relations to which why they'll go to picking up these four races? I think the full. It's going to be hard because it. This is the only place that we do do. Full I think they might. They might do around like a ball around or something else to pick it up on a pickup round I they. I don't think they will disappoint their fans because they know that the fans are very important and a big part of this series but I think they will try their hardest to make it up and keeping it in Victoria so that its own a slightly different tack abuse to Arabic's is is pretty busy social media stakes already. So your your whole nation sue because of might I consider today to increase their membership of equality Does that fit with you? Well so I look everything I do. I do because of my fans and the fans of soup because you know everything do might not be logical and it might be a bait and everything else but it keeps people interested in. It keeps people wanting to know what we're all about so I should because nate's to increase the the they have to show people. They're not what they think they are because people get angry. They get angry supercars. Sometimes it's not super guys fault. Sometimes it's just a comedy of errors in the everything seems to be a comedy of errors last year was mustangs this year. It's Corona Vars. What else they can do to keep the holdings back mixed reviews writes. Yes if I I don't know if we can do. This is just a personal opinion in two weeks. I don't know if it's going to the health department gonNA see that as well. That's long enough isolation to the team too been as we had zach bound right extol will wake in two days and I I I would love to say we going but I can't do with one hundred percent or on we'll sit back to white by email changes to what comes down shoot and see what is happening. Thanks pretty much bridge. And then we've been team manager had TGI team penske. The loss to the house is going into the truck it. It's sad ending girl three. Yeah it's it's a weird feeling at the moment we're just sort of casually packing up on a fraud. I which is I've been a little bit unusual. And it's a first for a million many years of doing this but Yeah the coolest thing might why above way we make decisions so Respect that in the Victoria and at all that stuff will move onto high playoff. Tickets can continue at the Knicks. It's far too early to be saying to Where the racist could be to replace The races from here but I think the retention is. He'll be an additional rice week. Yeah at this stage. The that's the belief is that the intention is to Find a gap in the calendar and Rachel. The Rice's mistakes would say maybe the possibility of all which results by saint since Victorian. Yeah to replace this one now that And obviously also found to really be speculating about either Tansy or or Hampton downs because Those are two away meetings and We have to work Tasmanian and New Zealand Governor. They're going to do about these events. Yeah look at a guy. That's a decision for the The category And probably governments and people around that sort of thing I guess the ideal scenario would be to For decision to be made before we ended up there but I guess the relevant People Mike. The Rock called the right time. So you'll boys this weekend we will. Yeah we'll behind on a fraud. I not which we'd goes is I mean some of US got some Some of our kids sporting events to attend this weekend and stuff that it'd be nice to To behind for the weekend weather data will be enjoying tomorrow being not being able to get some on cricket match for the the underlying reasons and Voice boys on big deals I got. They got their first hockey game. O Rama and may being high viable applies. Well all right. Well thank you been Kirkman George you and hope you get your chance to play them in New Zealand. We'll catch up with you later in the. Yeah we get down there and We can put on a show for the people down here with Matt Stone He's GonNa disappointment of now packing it all the while. You're getting. Yeah look at this according to come down here and get up and start out on track activities. Just to turnaround got harmed but look at the decisions in the hands of the event and the organizers and obviously Victorian Health So we respecting an abide by their decision I believe the plan is to reschedule the supercars portion of the event for later in the end we will still get out out. Yeah full season of Racing Y- that obviously opens up some some quietly pretty where you know the other tracks can perhaps come back and obviously it's too early in the piece for anyone to be making too much speculation but you know it's it's It's good to be a rescheduled and sort of essentially partnership because obviously the F. One cancelled from God's point of view. Look forward to picking out where we where we are now at a later point in the year and I wonder if it's too cold positions will sit in the record ballitser belonging to stab you. Look I mean from the when the when this event is rescheduled imagined they would start from scratch but as far as statistics sky is IT A. Is it an official Rice Yeah that's it's an interesting point a leave that for someone who cares more about their side of things that I do believe. Point of view you know understand. It's playing it safe here and the the Australian aspect of the The virus obviously not nearly as bad as the European and having an influx of Europeans Has created a bit of a bit of a situation so completely understand it and support. And we'll we'll just keep doing nothing and come back when we come back. Come back later in the year to do this round and hopefully I rising in Taza in a couple of weeks start now. Gary cool a few weeks to get his ankle right. Yeah yeah we planned it all just to forgive coverage on. Yeah look it's it's It's fallen and Gary Actually performs line wasn't in too much pain yesterday on track so we weren't too stressed about it all in terms of his injury but it is good to be outlet that recover properly Before Rolling back in to the next round of Tasmania in a few weeks. The other one could have anything always jake. Of course he made his debut. Yes look I mean Jacob probably feel sorry for him the Mars because he went out there yesterday and it's a format rolling straight into qualifying on day one. I did a fantastic job. In our opinion you know. He came back today having looked at his daughter and his video learnt law and he was ready to go out there and actually have have a crack at it. So it's disappointing for him that that we gonna take him harm By yeah as I said before win win. Supercars portion of this event gets rescheduled. Later in the year. They can jump back into the at and again you got a whole another track and do a whole nother event so is extra extra malls for him which is always a good thing. So we'll take the positives out of it that we you know. We had a good run yesterday with Gary Qualifying and twelve and Jacobson malls around here without without losing a whole rice meaning and we'll take that as as it is and carry on pentecost soldiers. You were founding gemstone smart minimum ratio. He didn't come this weekend. Yeah Oh that that that That monetary is up. Hip Dodger means decided to stay home Yeah he's got a couple of grandchildren a thanks to me now and I think. He sees his children off racing and he goes. He'd rather stay home and play with the next generation so I think he made a very smart coal this weekend by a long time and And we'll be good because now you go to council you actually just driving to the first reading potato. Yeah not not a scratch on him which is always good and not a lot of mileage Like anything will always Bill away from work to do on the cause. Because you know we'll always repairing them. We'll be trying to make them quicker so we'll we'll manage to fill the time problem Behind a couple of days earlier so the more time to think. Oh okay now. You obviously saved up to being a two car team this year. I'm one of the cavs. Are You RUMMY So we're renting super three. This year we ran The Toronto that we built For Jason Gomersall team along with myself we ran out at Adelaide. But that was the what's the word that was the basis of the final run for that around this one song for that that car and that? Tc and program As Jason an NFL team of modes more into super the series three series series this year. So we We do have full program running which is scheduled to debut in two weeks city multiple. Talk Yes at the next at that next round. So we'll We'll keep our preparations going for that and head down there and hopefully Not have some of the The international issues that we've had this weekend being around Racing Tauranga thank you. It's nine and I look forward to hearing that figure rain now ours so with pride joins one of the longtime competitors in this category and obviously great disappointment to have depending food. Yeah I think it's. It's very disappointing I mean obviously Safety of everyone seems Easing in the forefront of people's minds go prequel bryce. Alford by all accounts. Somebody's pulled up. Beat him decided snapping. They wants to at some stage of possibility of running with that crowd. Today obviously decided. That wasn't enough well and You Know Stanley from Subic Perspective. Very interactive with their fans and You know I think it would be a pity one of the things I love about what we do is how how much excess I get to. It would feel. We'd rising ran he a- applying any Being involved in any sport I should imagine not crowd. Yes sorry so It's wearing in uncharted territory with a bitty stuff at the moment so so everyone has a very different opinion about it. And and so in this instance waylaid by the call and so We're taking appointments from them. It's far too early to be talking about. This will be resheduled at some stage down. The right I understand really I. Tones will pick up a full races that I think for them to come back here and do all this again here at I. Another track supercars to get those flights on Though this is variously on We've got a lot of discussion to to to have to work at where we are Yeah so that'll be. Dingy course still sevens flights and We're not much change back. Checking police scoured things like that but otherwise you sort of pretty well radio voice. I have a couple of days Yeah we just sort of working through that now so we Regrouping get ready for the next one committee. You've actually paid at castle. I would struggle to remember one day the truth. I think this is a bit of a a sign of the times unfortunately and You know I don't want to make light of the situation but there's one person it's been diagnosed with controversial bars We CORONA CORONA virus. So I look at it and I find it. You know there will jumped on planes and flying back to Europe. Every drivers flew out. Yeah I told. That's where the disease is rampant. So if you're really worried about your health he stay exactly I. Just I don't understand that I I don't I'm not making light of the virus so any of that sort of stopped can't help but you know what some people are thinking. And and at the end of the day I one of the great things about a strategies would be removed from all these maybe. Nobody contained to a certain extent for the moment. So you know we just need to be aware of what's right for our fans and L. Employees and make the right choices on the light. Thanks Brian we look forward to receive. And that's from insight because tomorrow we'll be back with only John's inside. Supercars is produced by thunder media shooting next on for more or locking the podcast on itunes or mobile device search inside supercars the views expressed on inside supercars including the panelists and guests do not reflect the views of the network thunder media will sport radio any publication or broadcast of the show without the expressed written permission of fund. Media is strictly prohibited.

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The Bitcoin Podcast #239

The Bitcoin Podcast

1:00:31 hr | 2 years ago

The Bitcoin Podcast #239

"Now injury. Cast to our. Welcome to the pig dot care. Sure. Pettus the like. Chains. Bid. Best bickering podcast and say. Only thing. Hey, everybody will to thought man. Welcome to the bitcoin podcast episode number two thirty nine and I'm the first house, Mike Shinoda, and I'm host number two. Dan. I can't think of his name is black people think of any famous black people not a single one gory. Misrepresenting blackmails everywhere. Almost number to Washington. I'm host number three. Matt stone. Nice. And this is were celebrities for crypto. That's this vodkas called. He thought you're getting a big win podcast Iraq. So another holiday episode. Yep. New year episode where we don't know with overdoing this year. So we're gonna win it. Yeah. We're gonna win this guys. So I'm actually DEM teric hose number two. So just in case you Wanding. I dunno word make him predictions for the New Year's we're going to do do. I feel like we did that like last year last week. We not I don't know. I don't know. I did that on crypto cousins I listened to that. Good job grassy. Joy joy airy. Gary won't let me on the show. I'm abrasive. So the metric was the perfect guest. Was good was calm informative. Get do. You not kill the abrasive. I'm super braces. I was hoping you go fuck yourself. Go. Fuck yourself should be a cop. Maybe maybe that maybe go fuck yourself. So we have someone already on the line 'cause he opened them up. And he was here before you started the show. Yeah. Matt what's up? So gas. Were you what do you do where do you wanna know? I just got the channel mention on the slack. And I'm sitting here just in my apartment too much. I'm a Iran product management for nothing. New crypto day town acquisition start up the base in west in York City. Nice lucrative. Are you just me by are you a what is it called like longtime listener first-time caller, exactly one of those viz nice hanging out in a slide show on. Yep. Keep a low profile. What about twenty go ahead? Go you go first you started as how do you think about what do you think about twenty eight teen and us going into twenty nineteen crypto? I would I think. I mean, I'm trying to remain optimistic. I'm coming from the product perspective, obviously usability is huge for me. I work with you X zainur a lot of the products that I interact with from though the level at which I come into space from it's lacking a bit. So to me, I'm I'm kind of wondering why it so poor given the amount of attention like someone such myself provides to you Xs a whole, so I'm hoping this year is the year where you know. In addition to a lot of like, the underlying back end technology that we can start providing a little better, you X the space. What isn't that? What what do you mean by that? Like, what could you can you define what it means? That better you the. Yeah. The user experience. So when you deal with a lot of the applications lot something as simple as just a working with a wallet. I think you know, if you talk about trying to get your your grandmother, your mother, even just nontechnical friends to work. Interact with some of these applications out there they have to be pretty well versed in technical bone. So the space in at least, my friends, I work with a lot of people that are, you know, in financial services in sales. They know nothing about bitcoin. And it's completely foreign to them to try to explain you know, how private he's work. That's just completely completely foreign to them in. I think you know, if we're gonna get anywhere. We talk about like on your podcast on boarding all the time on ramping until the user experience gets better and becomes like dead. Simple for those types of people. I think we're just gonna building software four just ourselves. And as we all know, this thing's gonna blow up we gotta start bridging the gap into some of these other less informed, less technical folk. I ask them that. What? Is wrong with building something for yourself. I'm not I'm just being like, what's it called devil's advocate was without Pacino. Yeah. Dabble anyways. That's not how the line goes. But. A lot of people made a lot of great things because they were just like, you know, what I need to make this thing for myself. And then it becomes a tool that everyone uses or maybe even a software program that everyone uses what is so wrong with that. What's wrong will take in the hey, let's just make this easier. And as great for ourselves as we can get. And then if people choose to tag along the Nateg along I mean, then app only works for that one person rather than like a collective high of of creatives and marketers attacking the problem from the point of view of it appealing to the layman. You know what I mean? You know what? I mean markers from a value perspective that you have to have the larger community, the more viable the token because that's us interact with the system, and if it's just for us, we're relatively small amount of people. So the price could never really get that high. Okay. I think a lot of what we have is a, you know, a solution looking for a problem, and you know, the bigger the bigger this gets more people get on boarded it starts to like to to pivot. A bit becomes a little bit more about the largest gets more problems. We can start to solve with it right now is just kind of a bunch of really dispirit angles were were attacking. I think. I was within the greater blockchain community. I think there's a lot of solutions looking problems. I think if you just look at cryptocurrency, and especially big win, it solves a very very big problem. A huge problem. That's so big becomes convoluted. When people in power get a hold of it. I mean is it. That's a big problem bitcoin Sol's, and when you use it like actually send bitcoin to somebody that you do or don't know. And you see it pop up and you're like, whoa. And I didn't need a Bank to do that. I didn't need anybody's permission to do that. I just sent the money. That's a big problem. That's been solved. But from perspective, they end user perspective. Venlo does that shit. So. Yeah. But how do you get people to care didn't need a Bank? Yeah. But they don't. Exactly. They don't care. So that's the problem we run into what what if I said. Hey, look bitcoins. Ten years old. Now, what if I said cryptocurrencies need not be for the average Joe in my opinion, they were well in supply chain business business financial operations in generally as a ledger as a transfer value. Crypto may always be too volatile be cash, but it definitely will have applications in the future. Would if we approach it from this that POV. That I think that's going to happen. Maybe not. Completely gating the cash aspect, but businesses are going to get better. You see I don't know if it's just jockeying or marketing bullshit, but you see companies like pay pal doing internal incentive systems for the company, right? Like, they just they they run. They're running a blockchain internal blockchain system that allows them to. Participate in innovative projects gave crypto credits. Whatever their people going over the hill. They're calling it. And then they can redeem those coins for various things that the company offers, but there's no value of at outside of the company. So it's it's it's running a useful internal value trading system for companies, which they can leverage in various different ways integrate differences into it's you have central Asia across the company they can keep track up, but there's no real value to it. Ed, you'll see other companies start to do stuff like that. But there's never going to be value associate at those things because it's only within a certain company, it's very much like that insurance for internet thing. We don't have the technology to bridge that gap yet three thought we'd have at a couple years ago. But as we saw last year, and you know, if you look if you think back till like what we were saying in the beginning of two thousand eighteen it was this is the year of shipping product like we're gonna see so many things come out and be go live in production. And that didn't happen. Because it's really hard to ship. This stuff. What does it look like to you have? You have. In production on may net with a user base that grows. We have we had a few products the big the big ones ship things that are like final releases. And they're they're growing trying to grow versus people who are just trying to figure out how they're back and system works for like initially, and they're just kind of experimenting trying to figure out how to use the tech at a novel way with tremendous amount of money kind of depending on the valuation at the time. And product shipping a lot of products. They're just basically walked away from their initial ideas. And we're going to build this thing. It's gonna be awesome. We'll have it out next year. And they're like just kidding. We take this money and leave. So to go back to Matt's statement on usability and the stuff being usable isn't there like a triangle like usability security, and then something else in if you focus too much on one? Then you sacrifice in the others. As like a third. Yeah. What's the third? I don't lay that. A Holtz was the big one Louise is splurge. There's a split was like on canal in ease of use functionality ease of use security. Right. That's the trial Emma, and I feel like. If we're going to go hard in the paint on ease of use then were going to open ourselves up to having to create news, specialized blockchain middlemen, because they're going to be the people that we trust in the entities that we trust to secure that ease of use and functionality. So I don't know, that's the way it's going anyways. So I've been saying from months now feels like we're just going to introduce new move in. There's gonna need to be new plumbers new new systems of trust that we just get used to. And we've got new middlemen now. But there were daft punk helmets. Instead of. Much employment is going to be booming this year. I don't really know. How much Bill I've been saying this too much discussed to everybody, but you can't build Biddle when rain the guy down money in the ecosystem. Now I wanted to hear that with away from the I sale model and go back traditional these funding of like holding people to milestones. And having some tutelage, you think about people who did I see they don't have that the main benefit of most venture capitalists or investment firms of the tutelage that comes with it, and that connections, and the kind of people looking down and making sure you're doing things you're supposed to be meeting deadlines like that. Otherwise, you don't get money. If you give people just a load of money, and none of the tutelage than a lot of engineers just gonna fumble around. That's right, corvette. If you like auger when it first launched it kind of had us lick interface. But it really didn't when you kinda dug into it. It was not intuitive to to log into to use there some like, you know, technological constraints as to why things were slower, but in large it was it was it's still is kind of a difficult app. In the concept is simple as betting markets that should be something that if you get some kind of run the mill UI designers team, that's really focused on really just getting users to yell within a couple of clicks able to create some bets that that should be something straightforward just seems like the space right now is a whole it's much more focus on the back end technology, which it needs today. But if you really wanna talk about on boarding, folks, I think there needs to be a lot more concern and resources. Thrown at just some simple front end issues. I don't think it terms of like outside application of blockchain should be on boarding, folks. Too much. I mean that the the other application stuff the things we're trying to find babble use cases or build like the infrastructure. If structure of the decentralized web like web three if you will. I don't know if we should be on boarding too many folks like real in users that don't care yet. But as for crypto, currencies sure they can use it. That's fine. Go use bitcoin blockchain go use bitcoin treated with France. Use it save it so on and so forth. But like, I don't know how much we should be pandering to people who don't understand what's going on to other people for all these other use cases yet unless it's unless unless we make it dead simple. Like you're saying ever capable of doing that. Then Tim joined us and left. Sorry to join us back. If you want. You know what I mean? Like, it's it's the tech isn't there, clearly otherwise people would be shipping product or running into so many problems with trying to educate the user on how to handle and manage private keys that. Their intuition that came from the internet isn't good in this area. So. What do we do like, it's it's such an educational gap to get people to understand why this is interesting why it works differently. Otherwise, if we just give them the the use case that Yusuf we'd become custodians again, which is the whole point of not doing it of doing it this way. I mean, I always thought people got into space because of the price and there's nothing wrong with that. Like, you could be a millionaire. Cool. You got my interest. Oh, wow. There's basic attention tokens augur and status while there's a really cool space. I think I'm gonna poke around and see how these companies can transform the world going going further. That's that was always my entry point. I think that's the way it should should be. I don't think people need to be oh, I can be my own Bank. Now. That's cool. Okay. I guess I'll stick around. Let's not sexy. It's not going to get people interested. But it's a dense enough wide to perpetuate all do. I should've by cereal because there's gonna be a prize in there. And you don't care how the cereal tastes you're gonna buy it for the prize. And then you might stick around for the taste. You don't have a reason for it. Six. Prize? I don't know. It's it's it depends. Like, if you have a use case for like, I'm interested in this being this tech being able to help me as a content producer connect with my audience in a more direct way and have all this like community of people that have exchange interactions with value as well as like incentivizing people to participate and doing all this cool stuff and getting paid for it directly as opposed to middle man taking out all those all about all that profit. All that all the all the things that people who like my show would like to give me the platform that I'm using takes all that. I would rather I'm interested in this tech this intermediate and that type of stuff so that's just me as a content producer is interested in that. And there's a thousand other things that this could potentially visitor mediate like people with no shitty governments who can't control their money. They can they can actually store value and not be withhold beholden to the price fluctuations of their government. We don't feel that because we're not there to experience it. So like, we don't see it as something that's sexy or repair like those people trying to make money. They have a real use case. We don't see that type of stuff because. We don't have those use cases. Like, you don't need them. What I question. What matters you work in an product developed. What's a hard to us about coin base? I feel like it's pretty straightforward. Well, I think coin base says nailed it. They made it pretty dead. Simple. I think point base. But you make the argument that it shouldn't really be that arts Averis simple at you. Again, you make a payment. You either there's not too much going on there for them to screw up. And they clearly made an investment. I I don't know how many people work there. How many people are in their private apartments? But they clearly have a lot of people that are worried about current trends in user experiences on and they have successfully implemented that within the application it self. So I quite base example that did it. Well, but then again, I don't think they're trying like there the problems that they're trying to solve our heart on different sides of things not just really the core apps like the what the users interact with if I'm going pull though, I'm listening new crypto, I got my ten dollar referral fees. I got something by someone else. I didn't listen to any Andrea Anthony Lewis talks, and I'm inside the dashboard of coin base, and I hit send and a twenty digit code comes up. What happens? I bet you exile happens. You know, I think the u is great. But when it gets to that point where they have to send and receive money based on long digit codes. And if they get one number wrong if they get one letter wrong. There's no prompt says out this codes invalid, or this doesn't exist. Now. You do with bitcoin. The do check some checking on on fat valley formed addresses theorem has some check something. Most things have form of checks of if you if you enter a bitcoin address wrong, and the check some of the address that's built into the address as in check out the client can tell you that you entered it in wrong. So there's some there's some aspect of that. But like, there's still the user doesn't know that and the NFL wallet isn't good. It doesn't do that. Check some checking then there they could just sit it off into never it'll never actually go through. And if the wait days and figure out what wonder why their coins are gone through that so good you. I good. You X means the end user is informed. Every step of the way. It doesn't matter. How intuitive the navigation is or the dashboard the end user needs to be informed using the site. I would've auctions like you make he set defaults that are best practices, and then give them the options to change with the information available to for like why they would make that change. But like the end of the day. I think if this is important because at the very base layer, you have all of those options, and you can choose whatever you want. So if you wanna be power user that controls everything themselves isn't relying upon anybody do your own consensus checking by running your own node. You handle your own keys so on and so forth, you can do that. But if you want to offload some of that convenience you can do that too at by using a custodial service like coin face. And since you have the options, it's nice whereas previously before blockchain didn't have those options. You just had to had to use the system that you were giving. Yeah. But like we're gonna see a lot of those custodial services and middlemen these talking about because most people are fine by offline stuff, they don't care, but like for the power users for the people that do care for for the cases where you need that. Then you have them. I'm all right. With custodians middlemen. He will just don't care, and they don't have the time to care to learn this at the depth did not have one. So that's just the way things are naturally gonna go. So. In my opinion. Sorry, Anita throw that on. There has shirt if people don't care how how's the space gonna turn progress? Ten years in. Saying that like teen years is a long time. It is long time. It's a long thirty throw in saying. Is not even reflective of the fact that we're all. Time you being we're going to start a and podcasts for twenty years. So the space can finally mature. We're gonna be like podcasting. Fifties saying finally did it now. I don't I never set out to do this with like an end game in mind. They're like, yeah. We did it I live who who wants to be a part of something that takes twenty five thirty three years. I do as your shortsightedness, my friend. But ten years is not a long time that his longtime. We're not in the sixties anymore. Technologies and have to take forty years from assure you come out Twitter. You wait ear boom. That's yeah. That's adoption saying this if you times, and I want to try and like tell you why that's different right? We're not building something on top of all of the infrastructure that currently exists. This is it's said this before it's inherently different. And when you're that low in the stack when you're building that low level infrastructure, it takes awhile for people to transition into it, especially when they're custom to the previous one Twitter was built on top of the internet was the social web two point. Oh movement that was built on web one one point. Now, there's nothing that it did other than just use centralized infrastructure better for social interaction. Yeah. At this is completely different than time. It takes to have that adoption is completely different you, build something and it your arena. You're not reinventing the wheel you're taking centralized things. And you're making a decentralized, you're taking the concept of money, and you're making unblocked you're not you're not breaking down any barriers. Hear you saying that is alarming because it's very different. It is a totally new system is not it's not you don't understand what's going on. You don't know how it works because that's that's a clear indicator that you don't know. How different is. I'm not in the computer geek bubble here. I get it. I'm talking about from mainstream adoption, they're not going to see that they're going to get a hardware wallet. And they're going to say, well, why am I getting away from vim? Oh, why am I getting away from pay pal? Why is arcade city better than Uber? Why should I choose this over again, there's there's there's a truth in the fact that the use cases right now that we've come up with for using this type of brand new completely different infrastructure technology, isn't that different? And that's because people don't know how to come up with new things very easily. It's very difficult to try and come up through human use cases took a while for web two point. Oh to come around. Because people didn't realize you can do that type of shit with internet yet. It was basically just hosting web pages on the firebase or the fuck it is with strolling, Texan and fire tax. It was terrible sites. Just putting up information. People realize you could do something with it. And it took a while for that to happen. And it took a while for the for the actual hardware to be good enough to be able to support that type of stuff for the internet connection. Speeds to be good enough to support that type of thing streaming videos along time because you had to build the infrastructure to get to the point where you could do that. We didn't just have streaming video when we are on twenty eight baht modems because the the hardware the way the infrastructure was built was at there to support it that takes a while. And we're early in a brand new infrastructure, which takes a while to get to the speed usability transaction times, whatever the hell, you wanna talk about to get to the point where we have cool use cases that give you brand new ways of interacting and until then we're just gonna keep recreating the same shit. And it's not going to be better. No one's gonna use. It. Yeah. I agree with hundred percent like it's that. It's that's I think what we're having such a hard problem with this. Because we keep recreating shit that everyone knows and we have a better in terms of usability version of it using centralized infrastructure, and since no one really cares, then it's all speculation. The biggest news story that came out of Defcon four was come swamps. Like, that's where we are ten years into the space like give me a break. I mean, zero knowledge proofs for pretty fucking cool. But I thought it was fucking cool too. But I'm I'm saying the most newsworthy stuff unless people talked about was stupid spanked chain, and then like three weeks later after team laid off, and it's like, oh, I can while spanked. Okay. I was lost in the sauce for second house. Like, what comes wives on us? Are you talking about? Almost embarrassed for the space that we're we've been in this for ten years. And that's just that's like the the best thing in sliced bread. I dunno. I dunno Matt what do you think? Well, I think what Cory says interesting. How would you reconcile the statement you just made with the fact that so for not on boarding? It's like Mike girlfriend is not joining the space. She's not getting on coin base should not buying things. And all my friends might like crew New York City. It was not super technical. They're not getting involved there. Kind of indirectly responsible for creating a bit of a buzz that then ignites a bit of a fire within the engineering crew that surrounding thinking that this is an exciting space. Ultimately, we need more engineers involved to build at more of this underlying architecture, and if the star starts to fade bit, you only have kind of the core people who have been in it since, you know, back in the day since you know, since OC the white paper only that group of people. I think growth is going to be so slow. So I kind of feel like, although I get the point that we don't need to onboard everyone in their mother into space right now without that buzz. I feel like a lot of engineers that we need to keep building are going to start dropping off. Right. Yeah. You're right. There's a there's an aspect of that. It's think about there's the podcast and our numbers. For instance. We are our listener numbers go quite well with the price of bitcoin and terms of how many downs were getting every episode. But after every palm if you will every price fluctuation, we have a massive number of people who are curious start listening. And then when the price goes down a lot of people drop off because they lose interest in the technology altogether. That the new today the numbers after the pomp or larger than the numbers beforehand, and because of percentage of those people who come stay. And so these these ups and downs bring peace. In and the only a percentage of those people are end up staying because they were the types of people who were captivated by the technology and don't really like really cares about price. That's everyone. That's true. If you say, you don't you're you're liar. And like the people who really care about the tech as well as the price they end up staying, and they're the ones that end up continuing. Listen, if they could keep analogy going forward, right? And I I don't know how to reconcile those two things like we need people to come in. We need to incentivize them somehow to get them to get their foot in the door. So that they can figure out and start learning and understanding things. And then that I think the price is the best way to do that. It's the easiest way to that. That's for sure. But it's also the easiest way to like have a lot of people lose a lot of loop a lot of money. And so how do you reconcile that? If that's what you're going to use to get people into the space to get them attached, the tech is that okay? If like eighty percent of those people in that blue much money through bad investments. That's why options been slow ten years. We haven't we had. That's the way it's been a wash rinse cycle. I my personality when I approached people nowadays when I when they figured I work in crypto is as I say like which invest, and it's like don't like maybe buy some bitcoin by Smith theory and put it away. Don't don't look at it for a long time. Don't use any money you need. That's for damn sure. And in terms of like, it's going to be around for a long time. I it's my career and wait eventually we're going to have some really cool shit. You can do and then you'll start to use it. And it'll be the you'll understand why it's there Wedeman spending. All this time talking about it. I don't think we're there yet. So I usually don't I'm not trying to like proselytize everyone. Bring it coming into the space. Like, we kinda started out doing. Hold on. Let's think about adoption for a second. Let's try and break it down. How many apps do you use on your phone, man? On a daily basis fifteen to twenty monthly forty. Gored? I'm the no two two minute account. Just take it through. I would say I would say what Matt to set is probably appropriate for for me to don't be a Hooker man thinking us give your own answer. Don't don't steal up his answer. Like, do whatever I want. Hooker cello. How many do you use on the low end he's between three and five? Okay. How many new apps released on a daily basis on a weekly basis on a monthly basis on a yearly basis? Probably on a yearly basis what tens of thousands. So that means that amongst just the four of us here less than one percent of those apps. Have stand has stand chance of being used the next year. What's the big deal about adoption like I don't understand apps. Don't get used get used even games. They get used for like three months, and then people move onto the next what game is going to get my nuts warm next like use your banking app. Maybe once or twice a month. If you're if you got your finance, a streamlined, maybe you're in and a little bit more. If you're nervous about your checking your savings account like these things don't get used a lot. So what's the big deal? Crypto was I don't understand. What's Dopson supposed to look like? Option looks like take someone like Ken Bosak introduced the concept of crypto to them. Look how his life turned out. He ate it from one second in that take one a match co workers explained bitcoin them, and they don't give a shit that dynamic is way too broad. And that is what stopping mass adoption you need you need to create a concept in the cryptocurrency where every time you introduce it to somebody. They see the benefits and they get enthusiasm. They buy it right now. It's way too broad aggravated your analogies right now comes from a maximalist who's trying to relate to different things to support your arguments. But it's this is a broken system right now. We haven't figured it out. I agree with that. What what exactly did you just say anything to do with trying to define because that's what people do when they when they when they want to support their argument. They take analogies and examples from other spaces than they try to relate it the crypto. It's not the same tip a decent. Did that to start your argument? No, I'm telling you, this is why the I mean, if I take two different people in explain the concept the exact same way, it can transform somebody's life and the other person can not give one shit about it take about this shell like from these perspective is that like say you introduce the concept of crypto through some app. Right. Like, you can just use this app. And you can do this thing and people who gives a shit I'm use that app. And then they app is versatile. And then they say crypto is successful because that app is a successful. But like the whole space is much much larger than that. And so most people who are introducing the concepts doing very good job. They're basing it on use case of some app that sucks, and it's gonna be a while until we get one too good or one that is large enough to where like people get the idea and concept of explaining its other people because it's such a broad thing. Because it is so generalized broad that like. All all the things that can do are either not going to be very good or they're not built up enough or in touch on so many different things and not all those things are really really people are gonna care about a really good use cases for the technology so on and so forth, and it's going to be wild. We find those five to seven apps that people use regularly. And we haven't had context was like how's it going to the average? Oh, we get mass adoption if crypto works really well in B BB B financial operations in supply chains. That's great. But the average Joe will not buy it won't be for them. They're not gonna be anywhere near those conversations. Exactly. So, you know, if if I started this podcast, and we said adoptions only thing that matters. I didn't think I was gonna be podcasting in two thousand thirty talking about the same narrative when I can take this concept and go to Ken Bosak, and he gets he applied sinker. It changes his life. Why isn't why is it more people? I think the thing that I think the nuance in between what you're talking about is financial Boehner ability like, and that's a conversation have as real. But I'm sure I'm sure kin wouldn't care, but when it comes to crypto there's that three headed dragon, right? It's an investment it's much. It's it's technology when it comes to the investment. It looks pretty shiny sometimes when you're like holy shit. I can make a lot of money from this. That's why Ken Baden hell, that's why I bought him no kit came about because he denied the Bank account yet. I mean will then it worked for him as a money, right? But different people by now of all those three facets money tech and investment are taking care of for an individual. They are not going to give a damn about crypto. They're not it's going to be there. Just not it's it's gonna be a long shot unless they're curious like probably Joe blouse. He's just curious about it. And he fucks around with it. And he picks. Why do you care about that? Like what what what brought you into it? Why do you care at all? Gasp. I definitely came on late just the buzz was unavoidable around. Yeah. Like mid to late twenty seventeen so. After in YM still around. I definitely like boss a lot of money. That's for sure. But I believe that this is the future. And I just know that I want to be a part of it in some way, shape or form. So that, you know, ten fifteen twenty years from now like I was a part of this in one way. 'cause I do believe that this is, you know, one day going to be it's it just going to work like grabby at some point and just experience in kind of the the ground floor. It's exciting from a, you know, from from a builder, myself Granitz, not on blockchain or crypto at all. But it's still something that, you know, it's interesting. I think that's what Mike distinctive narrative that is different than than previous things. Like, the the reason. Why people should get involved in this stuff is because they have the opportunity to potentially invest in the new internet like not something that's built on the internet building on they're not investing dot com dot com. Investing something like that. They're investing in the actual infrastructure the internet itself, you couldn't do that before like you can't invest in. I guess you invest in like Farber Arbor companies that build servers like. Buying bitcoin or theory or something like that. But whatever whatever ends up becoming the thing that is what is used everywhere is investing in the internet, or what would be the new internet and how you do stuff at not. And then you're passively investing and all of the things that build on top of it because that's what you use. If you build on top of these networks, right? So like if you invested either you're kind of investing in the success of all of things that use if him. Or bitcoin to invest in bitcoin you invest in all the companies that use bitcoin. And and if if a if a few of those end up becoming wildly successful. Then congratulations. You you have you you've made it probably a pretty good investment because it becomes the new internet. And it's and I find that opportunity that that thing to be involved with what will become help people use technology excited personally. Maybe that's because I'm a builder, and I like technology computers, or like the idea that I'm getting in on the ground floor of what could potentially be how everything works later on down. The line is a really cool thing to me. And if you're if that's what you get in. And I think that's a good reason to get in. Because you don't you don't know what you're not saying, you know, what's going to happen. You're kind of making a bet that you like this thing could potentially happen. But it's exciting, and it's potentially lucrative based on whether or not just whether or not you're right, but. Like, it's the excitement of like, I'm participating in this thing that hopefully my kids and their grandkids are going to take for granted that because they're just grew up with in its transform their lives and cello means we're going to be podcast in for a long time that that will repod gassing about may change slightly. But like it this isn't a five year thing, right? Get your marathon shoes on my friend in this go go read a Bruce Lee book, it's about the journey. Not the destination outta known to Saint you ten years. A long time man, I pulled up the two thousand nine movie list avatar district nine inglorious bastards zombie LAN five days that's ten years ago. Man. Yeah. I saw shitting yesterday. Star Trek serious fantastic. Mr Fox up in the air. All these movies are ten years ahold Sherlock. Sherlock, holmes? Ascend years old homes as ten years old get this is going to blow your shit wide open. Cloudy with a chance of meatballs ten years old. The probably won't blow your shit wide open. I really brought that one up. On that one. I know kids that are gonna go. See Toy Story four you'd be like, hey, the first Toy Story came out in nineteen ninety five from the be like what the? I'm just saying like ten years a long time. I knew it. The only thing is I think Chila what you're falling into kind of the I don't know the court correct word for this. But it's kind of folly of our time is that like things aren't what they appear to be and that's getting harder and harder to discern nowadays because the price of facts is so dramatically low. And so basically like because we live in this time where everything seemingly moves at the speed of light doesn't mean everything is moving at the speed of light. It's Judah slow because there's the weight I like discern signal from the millions. Yeah, there's so much noise. And my thing is is like the internet taking forty years to mature. There was nobody in the eighties like dying their hair green and going to internet conferences going. Yeah. Internet in the eighties. Election do because you couldn't in it. But I think you're going to buy it. And then it go up massive price at a change your life. And you think I've made the right decision book and God. You do that back then it was just fucking birds. Like, the fact that you can't invest. This. That he's not going to do that nowadays the enthusiasm that people had in two thousand thirteen two thousand fourteen that's just gonna fade soon. You know, the people that got burned or got hacked. They're gone know, if we made a pie chart about people who are going to be here in in twenty twenty six twenty twenty eight is going to be people that are just like using it in the background for like trysofi Eliot, I'm part of the blockchain community, I guess, but they're not going to go on the blockchain read it and contribute or or follow Talib, urines, blogs or go to conferences, somehow, he has is gonna wane HTTPS have read it is. Right. It's just mass adoption to you guys is going to be implemented. For me. Mass adoption is like celebrating the end of banks and people investing learning about investing. You know, people that are getting rich off their returns like that. Those are things to be. Celebrated about and Oakland. Ten years is a long time to hold enthusiasm. I need a football team. People love football teams. We need something. That's only have a shelf life of three years. You can't you can't wait thirty years for an app to mature. We just had that conversation right coins on UFC. So there's a there's a step there you go. Like, Bruce buffer note. The fuck he was talking about when he is set when he said it. No. So, hey, wait. Are we supposed to be talking about what we didn't talk about what we think's going to happen to a nineteen at all. We just had one giant argument. Welcome to how we usually talk to each other. Anyway. Matt what he thinks that happened this year late now, Cory Kidd transit. Like, a we talking like price prediction, or adoption, or whatever the hell, you think is going to happen. She goes in nineteen. I don't know your your own unique perspective. I think we. Kind of just go sideways for a while. Unfortunately, I think both from a price perspective and from it'd option perspective. I think it's gonna take some these big like, you know, backed to go live in these ETF's to become real kind of bring back in some mainstream audiences that could bring on more engineering horsepower more investment from outside not just investment into like bitcoin itself, but in outside investment, non crypto funds investing in crypto funds just bringing on more engineering or expire more product worst Bauer. Think by the end the year, we probably have some products that work some products that are reasonably user friendly. But I think we're looking towards the end of twenty thousand nine where we start to have some really useful pieces of software and the price dips a bit. And you know, I think we'd. Probably end up somewhere below ten thousand somewhere right in the air. Nice. That's a good holistic prediction. I like it. He also join into that game. There's d. My turn your turn. I'm outside of the box with augmentation have put it on drug nast canes. That's the transitions on that. We're going to use. I think the canary in the coal mine is starting to seeing with institutional money being in them not being able to hide that anymore. I see that. This is gonna move long and slow for the next couple of years while rules are made that we weren't gonna like I think why say canary in the coal mine, I'm talking specifically about the WinCo by saying that crypto needs rules and everybody knows their buddy buddy with regulators. And I think now there's enough institutional money in this that they're going to try to put some laws down to secure their risk. And we're going to see some unique changes in the cryptos base from regulatory view that will do give access to certain people and restrict access to others, and it will be very historically concurrent with things the way the way things currently are. And that means the prices gonna move slow but volume will slowly increase, but I'm pretty sure everybody that didn't have the guts to stay in crypto as been shaken out in the institutions are in and they're ready to watch their money grow for years to come. So that's what I see happening twenty nineteen and early twenty twenty. Jello. And I think my my negative us will extend through the year. I think curmudgeon crunching all year it ready for. I mean, I I show up to the podcast because I believe in more than just money, but I did people the narrative is like, oh will the next wave of cryptocurrency isn't gonna come from price is gonna come from content creators who are being de monetize d platform. So is just going to appeal to extremists and anyone who could benefit from central money. So we're gonna attack like one party at a time to sort of mass, adoption we still have ripple out there people saying it's a scam. Some people it's not government still oppressive of coin base is still going to be the crypto benefactor of listen to Omar. He's probably one of the one percent of journalism who don't have money to people in in his pocket. So hopefully, the journalism continues the price I think will be not. Not much better than it is now I say distracted. I think is good because if you still in the crypto like like, Matt you're still here you'd be Bhatt in during like, you didn't even tell me lost money because you told me Baden at that specific time period, I knew but affected you're still here. And if you continue to be here, that's great. So I encourage people to stay in space. I agree with Corey where I think that this is the ground floor of the next big thing on just frustrated that it's taking so long and not not in terms of took forty years internet like things take time. It's a very of fickle community. It's very hot and cold, and it's based on cyclical patterns of the market and not, you know, people's individual interest where they're buying into technology during the due diligence and and reading the white paper of everything is surface level right now. That's where my frustration comes from. So it'll be a a, I don't know. Not an exciting sexier, but at it will be necessary year. So we have a great year in twenty twenty sexy like a print song or sexy like selene Dion in the late nineties sexy. Like a two chain song. I call her fat booty to she got fat booty. Okay. I like that on Jeep deep deep deep Lear from to change. All right. My turn. I think you're gonna see a lot of the earlier hyped projects. Diana fire because although their ideas were cool execution and greed associated with early money rise was doomed to fail them Bill. See a lot of that this year. I think out of all of the scaling solutions you're going to see a low level. Scaling solution rise at brings whatever that Shane is to to like a much much higher and like the market cap if you will and layer two solutions out of all the different ones that are working probably one of them will actually work, and it'll enable some use case that we haven't had previously that will get that will gain popularity the other ones will continue to try and do stuff and then keep the research going, but nothing will actually happen. I actually feel there's a possibility that theory will like gain parody with bitcoin if not overtake it for a small amount of time. The painting on the success of the previous things. I just said. So if those things come true than I think could either what say what is parody mean even? Like price was. Yeah. Or like the coin quote market capital gate into the same price, and that's dependent upon whether or not the other things I sit are true of the market. I think that RIC building new novel interesting technology with based in cryptography which enables a lot of human seduce it, but the humans associated with doing that shit will always suck Satistics. So the adoption is the hard part because we as humans are really bad about coming to consensus about things we should be doing and how do them despite when the ten allows us to do. And so that's going to continue to be a problem. These if the government rules regulation, taxing etc, which doesn't help people have any clarity around jumping in. So like people still aren't going to really know. Whether it's safe to put a shitload of money because they don't know how they're going to be taxed or they're going to build businesses around it because they don't know how to tax appropriately. Whether or not SEC's gonna come after them, and until we have those types of regulations, certain jurisdictions just aren't gonna use it because it's too much of a risk. Despite us building new technology that Abel's the do things the humans around doing them. They're going to impede us from doing it. I think they're going to continue to see that even more this year with no regulation because even Americans weekend fucking figure out our government. So. I don't know. It's it's going to be it's going to be an interesting year for tech. I don't think it's going to be that much of an interesting year for like the adoption of the tech. Can I offer an opinion on one thing you said at the very beginning. You said that I see os and greed led to a lot of dumpster fires. And I think that it's a responsible for a company that to try to maximize profit CEO's of billion dollar companies are still responsible for increasing prophet and a CEO who puts his own morality before the successive company. He works for should be fired. I think corporate greed is a myth. I don't think the ICO's were as bad as people make it seem. I talking about that. I'm talking able walking away with millions and millions and millions of dollars without doing anything. They said they were going to do for the projects that members money. They suck say corporate greed is a myth the lot of people say, oh, well, this company went out of business because they just raised a lot of money. What ICO's instead of going the traditional way of getting investors and focus groups and building an actual company, but the Pori clarify. Tonight agree with them. People should trigger should maximize profits. We're building new business models. A lot of these things that I tried to do our brand new ways of of their experiments in economics and a lot of ways and like everything else. That's experiment wise most of those things fail and so the early hype and associated with the tremendous amount of money. They raised early on is doomed to fail and somebody's gonna walk away with a lot of money whether or not they do that and fair distributed way where like the contributors get some of that money back where it goes to people who deserve. It is probably not gonna happen. I hope that they do. But the a lot of these failed economic experiments are going to give us. Interesting insight as to what works what could work, but people are gonna walk by greed is still will always be there people walkway at a lot of money and while being an asshole the same time. I just hope that the transparency associated with the tech will be able to see it. Me too. Toby can't just continue recycle the process people building projects walking much money and leaving much of people holding bags. Yep. Well, we're going to have to wrap. Bingo on a while. Thank you Matt ethics. Join us. Reshi these for opening the conversation. We we started out with predictions. And then we just went into our long argument. I feel like but people like it. Let me ask you a quick do you like this format or do you like us asking developer ex to come on? And tell us about project a. This stuff is sometimes I'm completely indifferent around the project that I'm kinda like, okay. This is interesting. But sometimes it's exactly something mentioned in. So those are kind of like hit or miss. So I would say. I like mixing up I like this format. Sometimes if you got if you have a project that you guys really feel passionate about thank your users your listeners due to than I'd say go with that. And if you don't don't force it do this 'cause this works. We're going to Rick rule the shoot at you guys one day just that our long of never gonna give you at that. Pretty good else dies. Well vendor calling. I've been practicing you don't know what I do in the shower. Yeah. We do. Thank you to listening to the first week of the bitcoin podcasts. Go it on year four. Now. It's an we're gonna jello. 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It actually is me, and it's a bad version of me fucking someone. That's what I would prefer. That's right now. Yes, come on. Yeah. Didn't offer short take that. I'll be honest. I wouldn't even necessarily hate the whole porn thing. They asked me fucking. Yes. Right. That'd be fucking. I've had. Yeah. Guess what? I fucked camera bad picture of you or porn, porn d'appel gang. Now. We've seen the Dave d'appel ganger porn Dapo ganger, you know, that's one of the funniest ever seen. But it's not necessarily like we don't make fun of Dave for that. It's more. Just a funny thing a bad picture if you Google, Dave and gross Dave came up. That's we're making fun of ham. It see this one because somebody bad pictures again, if you Google it's it's a bunch of. Yeah. Yeah. But it doesn't really affect my life. So I'm fine with that. I think I I don't think either is that bad. I've been like you said like, I'm not that word. I have porn Dabo Ganga's to adopt gainers in every industry worldwide. I I probably have the dictator Doppler gang haven't seen him yet. They're doing great job dictating. Not letting the internet into their country. But the I don't know if this one's this one's not that hard because it's either. One of those things where it's kind of we run into in real life. Where I get text from friends where they'll it'll be like their friends friend is on barstool Instagram, if you take it down, and it's hard to explain to them like this might matter to you for a day. But yeah, it's not actually going to affect even when there's like a viral story. Someone did something horrible. It's like I understand the Google search when you go for a job or something that, but if it's just like video like no one's going to be like, I remember your face. You're the guy who was chugging the beer next to the kid on Instagram. You're not getting the job never gonna happen ever. Very narcissistic of you to think that people are going to that you're that memorable that we post twenty Instagram videos a day. Yours is off the the first page within an hour. No one a lot of people saw everybody forgot about it. And it's always I I have I had to have it yesterday. That's why it's fresh on my mind. It's I guess it's it's a gift and a curse to the amount of attention. We get sometimes because you know, it doesn't matter where you know in a day. It's gone. And we understand that. And so I don't. It worked up about anything that happened. That's not going to matter in fucking six hours. Right. It's like the twenty four hour news cycle is dead. It's a four hour news cycle. So I don't get worked up about any bad pictures. I don't get worked up adopted gainer because I know it's oh, by the way, it's an ISIS. Yeah. Right. But dictator. That has got like freedom fighter for a minute. But so I know that none of it really matters. That's that's a horrible thing for regular person to me like someone thinks I'm gonna porn that. That's the core daily life. Like, I said man, I'll take either of them. The news cycle moves fast. Except if you're me, and then the last ten months later so on Matt continues. If people are being this is a good one. It was a really good one. I like this one if people are being strategically shipped from earth to Mars in groups of one thousand would you rather be a part of the first group when the last group. Lasker really no way that means like at one point you're one of the last one thousand people on earth. That's kevin. Remember my goal was to be the last. So I've probably nine nine ago. I'd oversleep that flight. No, I run this fucking me. I'll get the next one. There isn't one John. It's okay good. I don't worry about it. I I did that when I was in. I was studying abroad in Spain. There was a bus trip for the weekend to Portugal, and I over slept. Yeah. And I just like hung vein. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to be with anybody else. Anyway, I'm good at soon enough. I'm going to go on a vacation just by myself. Just go someone for weekend myself acute, wait. It's going to be awesome. Yeah. My mom's been encouraging me to do that to go on because my cousin just went to Copenhagen by himself. And she's like, you should do it. Because I because it is a weird thing when we get older where when you're in college, and when your high school and stuff like that your urine your friends lives lineup perfectly at all times. Yes. Whatever you want. You always have your friends there. Whereas now, it's like, yeah. Coordinators. It doesn't matter. So my mom is trying to get me to like take time. Actually, you just got to do something. Like, what am I going to do? My friends are taking a vacation with me sewing. Why would I want to do that? And she was like, we'll just go alone. And I think I'm warming up to the ideas. I don't trust myself alone. Well, that's the thing in a foreign country. We've talked about this how it's getting drunk is the most intimate thing you can do with the person, and I only get drunk with. So I really trust or really drunk. I go get a buzz on with anybody, but I'll get drunk. You're vulnerable drunk. You'd better be with you. You trust. And if I might want vacation I want to get drunk drunk, right? But I don't trust anybody over right? Especially like, we ended up in Morocco end up in a Moroccan prison. Right. Yeah. Know ain't looking to do that. I mean, and that's where you know. It's you're dangerous to be alone you end up making friends and strangers, but they ain't really your friends into much trouble. Plus us, I also I could see myself being like I travel all this way. And then I'm just like, well, I'm just gonna stay in the hotel and watch TV or something like, what am I doing here at home? Don't you think it'd be so cool though when the last people on our show, I see that see I feel like by the time they get down to even like the last like hundred thousand like they're going to mail it in on the on this planet like the your normal services and your normal like things like you ain't you ain't going to be able to get fucking seamless when there's only ten thousand people on the planet. That's a fair point. I think about you know, what? And the first thousand people's enough for me. Like, if you told me I had to be like one of the first ten people to go to Mars, like we're fucked, you know, but there's nine hundred ninety nine other people like we got a nice little crew. But that's at least not hunter. Ninety. I'm gonna hate. Yeah. But I mean, listen, yes, listen to matter. What we're gonna hate people. Whether on Mars or on platter. Earthlings are martians we're gonna hate. But what thousand people and I'm like guys, the smart guy that guy the doctor as the hot chick. I'm going to go after this guy is going to make my food. And I have a crew that I can rely on to keep me alive. Then I'm down to be because then it's like we run the planet. If you were the only like ten people I'd be like, well, I trust me in the nine other people to make sure that Mars is like inhabitable, give me a thousand people. We're good to go. But I think about it as like the haunting pictures you see on Twitter just on the internet when just regularly busy places are empty. Yeah. I think that'd be cool to explore that handle shit. Yeah. Cool to just look at the picture. Let alone live it like walking through Times Square. Just you. Yeah. That'd be cool as fuck. Yeah. It's weird. There's like the Bill for the the marathon bombing in the manhunt there those pictures of just like Boston shutdown. Yeah. That'd be awesome. If you walk on the street. Yeah. It's like the world is yours. This is my house. Yeah. You come to my house. But again, I don't know if I can order food. I'm fucked. That's really really the problem jellies. Yeah. I guess so, but it's like are there even any peanut butter and jelly left because our the peanut butter and jelly manufacturers still around. There's only a thousand people left on the planet, but they stock them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As long as I like, if you want to make the caveat that I can make sure I live my normal life, and I'm down to one of the last thousand we could just run a muck on this planet. Pretty cool. If you gave me like make sure there's a pilot and was last, and I could like just go all around the world to certain places. I wanted to do everything you're talking about let me just go to like, Australia, alone, or whatever. Yeah. Then I'm down house. Are you can lock your doors when you leave or I guess I'm gonna kick it in any way. So there's there's a walk debt shit break your way into it. All right last tweet before we get into our voicemails is comes from Keith is he is busy you're in jail, and you have to serve a year year of jail time. But you also have a smartphone. Available to you at all times the catch. For a day to count as served. You can't look at your phone. So every time you look at your phone doesn't count towards your sentence. How long does it take you to serve a year? I know my answer. I don't I don't think that long you think you can put your phone down. I think he was just sitting right there. It was able to get a year and a half. I think because I think I would like you'd be you slowly got drunk on your phone. I think you'd slowly wean yourself off it. But I think I think I could we might see I'm not gonna with that. I think I think six months you put a drink in front of me, I'm going to drink it. You put a phone front of me. I'm gonna use it. You know what I would do? I'd just break. My first day. Oh, that's me some self control nationally. It's it's really cause bare minimum self control. Like, I don't trust myself. I have no self control. All it takes is five seconds of courage. Right. I'm gonna break it. Then you're far. I shouldn't have done that. But you're gonna get a year. I think. Yeah. I think I think it'd be flushing drugs down the toilet. So he has gone. And then you're like what have I done? But it's one of those things where you know there. There's light at the end of the tunnel. If it was like attorney, and it was just like you never get to see a phone again. I would probably be harder. Then if you just thought up for a year, you I'll probably just be like, well, what am I going to do and get out of prison in the year? Sit on my couch. Look my phone. So I'm just gonna sit on this shitty bed here in in prison. And look at my phone as long as I'm not getting like beat up and raped and stuff like alcohol a year away. I don't want to drink toilet was a bum wine. Whatever it is. Yeah. 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Go I'm in college right now and warmer friends just told me that sometimes when he's laying in bed and he's under a blanket, he'll like Dutch oven himself like get under there and snow but only if it's a good one. And I was just wondering like what your take on this? How weird is it that this is just sometimes Dutch ovens and sell and basically hubs his own. Thanks guys, not into parts. Why? Why? I can't believe I'm going to be the one sheen on the second here. I can't wait. I have to defend myself here. I don't get under the comforter. That's not a whole thing. What I do is. I just do a little light breeze. It's still a little like a wasp fluff. It just fluffed the comforter like just give get punched in your face by your own far. Does why I don't know, man. I don't know just to catch your own brand. I don't like humor. But I like. To tell you is is I fucking. I I think my farts alone in my own room are funny. I'll just is really. Yeah. Farting in public. I don't like other peoples farts. I don't like farting in front of anybody. I just you and your. You and your private time. That's that's the most embarrassing thing. I do is laugh my own its in like the spell. That's what was embarrassing. I do myself. But there are other things. I'm sure I do people were like, that's really embarrassing for you. I don't find that embarrassing anything. I talk about whatever. I don't. I don't. I don't think. I'm that weird. This I admit I wear it. Yeah. It's weird. I didn't see that calm is. I getting under the comforter is kind of a whole thing. But just a quick foot. You know, what you laid out on the man. I know exactly what is a quick flick quick. Yeah. Usually they do that in like a laundry detergent commercial. And they're like they walked it into good, smell, John. Just does that with his own parts far? Thank god. You you're done with that that salad phase. That was rough for everyone around. I'm going to get us out out onto it. Don't just don't need to beets beans and beets and corn. It's disgusting. It really is trying to be healthy. And you become an absolute disgusting. Fuck I'm not trying to Dutch of it myself. I think your friends fucking disgusting creature. Getting onto the conference is weird. That's child shit. But you see every ever like stink palm yourself shot the J. He was on her episode last week. In mall, rats, you like jams his hand up under his Gooch before you shake someone's hand like as a prank like fuck that guy you ever just smell your own hand. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's stink bomb yourself, bats. Now that now that everyone's. Farts surly, smell my own balls, the balls is you ever do that. Sometimes we're fucking grow. Grossman was so gross. Like, why have you ever have sex was or anything? Yeah. But looking to edit this out, I'll do this. This whole thing is going to lead. It no doubt Brandon, please. But okay now, we're now. The part about the site too. Like, I'll do sometimes like in the summer of. I think like showered I'll sit on the couch sit like this. I know you like walked down the smell down. Just like I will lean them up on my elbows on my knees. And I have my head down basically intentionally. Really, why are you doing pretty strong stank 'cause you're still like pretty far away? All your nose is all up in there. But you can still catch it. If you don't shower, it's like if you don't John for two days. Yeah. That's really gross absolutely move, by the way that far exploit new voice. I smell I smell. Super-producer BC. So I heard this when walking back from the sock spray girl asking who's the best male heads put on a female body affected. A lot of different ways. You could go with this one. I just wanted to get your thoughts. Thanks beaver. Male head to put on a female body. So I guess you gotta use the thing. Are you trying to go like a feminine? Or are you trying to like make create like a Frankenstein monster and get like really Manley head on? I'd prefer feminine. Okay. So like Justin Bieber bieber's birdie already looks like a girl you'd previous pretty beavers prettier than Haley Baldwin. Genuinely believe he's got bad skin, though. Yeah. That's the math. That's better though. Bad skin the? Like imagine. If you put Gordon Levitt came into mind. Yeah. He girly. Nice little girlie face magin. If you put like Joe, what's kneeling men Nilo like that guy. Faulk family you student badge. If you put his head on his wife's body body, a Frankenstein monster creation, most masculine thing ever, don't speak that he wants the world. I don't even see that stuff. That's terribly. Imagine a his head in his dick on her body with harassing her tits. What a freak that would be the. I I'm kind of thinking now I like that. I think would be funny. I don't wanna fuck it. But I wanna laugh at. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're creating like an actual alien who else is very girly. Very feminine got the sauce. Features the Google gossip and celebrities, and it's like Kim crush. Yeah. It's gonna be all girl. I would put I think gossiping on there. You think so these guys soft face soft smile? Oh. Dancer. Well, he's got that. Joel you're gonna pretty focused strong after all gorgeous, man. Are you in some holder of fuck this guy that guy from vampire diaries? Yeah. Him and Nina Dobrev were the fucking hottest couple. I would just pay money to watch them have sex. I would pay money, but let me just in your bedroom. Jared Leto Jaroslaw could get I mean, he's like almost turning into Sarah nuts night Parker, and Matt stone. No, no. The what did you say before before trade arguments zone before Goodwin? Let let it let owes becoming a girl. So he's like, he's got the hair. He's been a woman before the transgender. He might be a woman he might be planning long con- this whole time. Next up. Super. Going on guys. Just recently started a new job. First day. I go into the bathroom like a bathroom share by pretty much the old building. And there's a sign on one of the stalls says reserved for this guy between twelve forty five and one fifteen obviously, I thought it was a joke, but I had to find out actually reserving shit or form. So so I go back later that day that time sure enough. Some dude is sitting in their go back the next day double check taken again. So apparently this guy reserve or the stalls in the bathroom for themselves at the same time every day. Just want to hear your thoughts with an absolutely crazy. Really a move. Absolute brilliant, movie said brilliant, wrong how much time did he give himself? What was it half hour? Yeah. I mean, listen, you got to this is probably for some people who are extremely regular. There are guys that they can set their watch to it with this shit. That's crazy. I watched I read I read your blog. Listen to your podcast exactly every day at blot one. I hit the bathroom. I'm jealous of that. Because I'll go I'll just go three days when open, you know. What's weird? Do you? When you get up in the morning. Do you always P right away? I said I don't do that in mom and dad were like what the fuck. No, not really. I mean, the people like this morning. I woke up TV in bed. Right. They would like baffled that I don't p right away. I was like, well, I haven't been drinking. I've been sleeping. Before bed. And then I went to bed a glass of water eight hours ago, then he'd. Why do you p people? I mean, it's it's not it's not uncommon. It's not like, whoa. This is great. But it's not like that you watch to it. Now. Also, it could just be like this guy wants a peace and quiet at his shitty. Job every day for half an hour, and that's around lunchtime. Or break time or whatever you can just roll up in there. I mean, it's great. It's just it's like reserving. It's like how you can reserve your own movie seats. Now, you don't have to show up at the last minute. Just like, yeah, I'm reserving my toilet. I'll be there at twelve thirty. Yeah. But if I guess people just listen to this. But I mean, if if this is my bathroom where a couple of months, we're moving and we're going to have real bathrooms. If someone starts putting scientists say reserved this stall up I'll go fucking P. And that's the only thing that time. Oh, yeah. I'll make sure I'm there at we're assuming you're working in the corporate setting where everyone's just a little well boy monkey or you can just walk in push around. I mean, not actually going to listen to it. But there's a lot of people who would. So you might as well give it a shot. It's like most most time you walk in. There you roll the dice and hope it's open at least here you've probably weeded out. I don't know ten twelve fifteen people were like I can't go in there. It's reserve to see this is this is probably the poisoning of this display environment. Where it's like when your co worker asks a favor, I wanna do these opposite late like wouldn't part of my take a sign on the door. Like, we're going to be filming. We haven't competing for it. Right. Well, I'm gonna fuck bathroom right now. I'm a lot of stairs. Now. You know, what the best example of that? Is you guys always have the follow up in Boston? These people who put like fucking bond chair in their in their parking spot. I am running right over your lawn. I don't bring your windows in the problem. But it's like, I don't even need to park near here. But I'm gonna park. Fuck you that shit is ridiculous. But there are many people who would probably be like, oh, man. I have to go to the bathroom, and it's twelve thirty. There's it's reserved. I can't go. That's that's crazy town that set me, really. That's social experiment. Should I bet? I guarantee you. There's people who'd be like I can't go in there. You're right. All the rules. Have have did is going from someone with no confidence in themselves. Have more respect for themselves. Have more confidence in respect for your to fucking listen to a fucking handwritten. Scientists reserved in a fucking toilets or some guy shade every day twelve thirty poop and don't flush. Yeah. Get out twenty nine in time. So he can have it. And it's just walks in there, and it's just wait for the door to open at twelve thirty zip up walkout. Don't flush look in the eye and be like, it's all yours. All yours, Mr. twelve thirty. Because if there's poop when a toilet broken to me, right? I'm not gonna flush it. And then use it. The someone's pope in this. Heavens. No, I can't use the guy went viral. He he he used. He was cooking spaghetti. And he said dishes are in the sink. I'm still going to have my spaghetti. He put the strain or the colander over the toilet bowl. And poured is his spaghetti into the colander. So it's like wasn't touching the toilet or anything. You know what I'm saying? So he couldn't put the colander in the sink. So he just put it was resting on the toilet bowl. Puertas spaghetti in all the water drained into the toilet. And then he just had his colander off the toilet. And I just I still was like this technically didn't touch nothing. Fading toilet. I mean, you can't have your food below the the barrier of the bowl, right? Protect really even have any food in the band. I don't even bring hot steaming stuff. I feel like that like walks up the fecal matter. The only thing you can bring into the bathroom is alcohol because it kills the journal. Yeah. But even bring a water bottle in the bathroom. I'll leave it if I've even p and I'm walking to the bathrooms leave it on someone's desk. Come grab my water bottle. I don't bring calls every year in the bar. You're drinking. You're not gonna put alcohol down. Germs get killed by they'll go, right? That's how that's how culvert, but that means that Connor is below the rim of the bowl. Yeah. Like all my below the rim and like an interim the toilet water. I can't have that like splashing can definitely occur. The water's going through hits the toilet waters up into your spaghetti that was poor people shit right there. No doubt. Last voicemail of the day is brought to you by bark box marked box is if you'd love your dog if you consider yourself a dog person dog owner dog lover, and you don't have bark box. You are a phony until you get a monthly delivery of bones toys treats, customized for your dog. You're not a dog person. You are a bad dog owner if you don't get bark box. You're basically a cat person. I get my ship. It's like my friends. My presence Sommese, Tom. I'm sorry. RIP me is my parents the Mattie. I said, no, she knows I tell them make sure make sure she gets, you know, this from this for me. 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Get that extra month for free voicemail before Joey who is it. She she were producer trae from Chicago. Crazy crazy. Basically what's going on metrics girl who can provide a month now and something shoes? You know, we pay there's a transaction. Basically what happens is you paid me? We became friends. Issue. Koreans history and pretty much came in for pastor with other girls were as you got a Turkey. As you got a Turkey, which I think is. Epitome of twenty and teen. Beaver that sucks. That's can't stand social media in relationships. I think it's a fucking nightmare who do you friend? Who do you like who do you post? Why did you say this? Why did you sit say fuck all that? But I can understand it. Then MO fuck out of here. I had a girlfriend who gives social media for a month during lent and. She didn't count van moa social media. So that's what she would. She would scroll like she deleted it screened for phone. That like just at the thumbs treadmill phone, which is sit in cabinet just scroll through. But like we never got a fight about it or anything is I feel like getting if you get in a fight. If you get I think, that's it. Have to break up to over because I can barely take the ones about Twitter and social media, and that's Twitter Instagram, and that's where people are trying to fuck each other or something like that. But it's like I can't even handle that let alone. You gotta talk to me. Like, I like, I got drinks. Once I needed a split the bills get the fuck out. And then MO is also it's the ultimate fake news. No one no one actually says what that payment is for. So you like, so if you're getting mad about something that you know, is a joke or alive or something like that. Like, you will you got drugs with this girl. No fucking split lunch. I work with her. I like, it's not real of all the I don't even count the most social media. It's not now, it's a payment system would have all social that's the least believable of all these thing to get upset. You got to put the word or the emojis. I. Shot on Stu screaming in the middle of the podcast coming over. I'm sure. I like Stu I like still trying to record a podcast right now. Man, the DIA also don't you can't just put all all shit on private. Yeah. Like pushing on private put everything on private folks water. But privates could sick of having my entire life in the public. The problem with privacy is what are you hiding? So then you're it's a fight. There's everything everything is a fight everything always going to be fine. I mean, I can't I'm just I'm just so done on relationships. Man. I'm here in everybody's stories. And everybody's problems people asking this question that question how do I do this? Which should I do about that. Did you hear this? Can you believe heats? It's never going to work for anybody. These things don't work for anybody. So unnatural I preaching it for years. And now I'm living. It's so unnatural to jam your life together with another person's life and expected to coalesce in exist together and be happy. It's so fucking pipedream unrealistic. It's never gonna work that ber, sir. You have the floor. You you might find someone acknowledges what I just said as long as you're on the same page like this shit is not going to fully work. Let's make it work like fifty percent, then you'll have as happy of a relationship as you possibly can have. There is nobody who was as happy in a relationship as a single person who's happy with their life true, and the grass is always greener as you're single you're like lonely, or whatever. But then then you get in a relationship, and you're like, Nope. I was wrong. This is terrible. So yeah, don't don't be upset that you're single because trust me your life will be worse relationship. It's just not natural. Maybe today. Maybe it was today not anymore. 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After shaking my hand saying that grows, but you came in hot. Yeah. I did like we were because we met in the stair stairwell. Your guys Astaire was extremely dangerous. Everyone's dead before. That's how we got this place. Got it on the cheap. Chiefs. There's a ghost no doubt for real early hunting is because first of all it's the steepest steps I've ever seen. I'm pretty sure that's not regulation airy narrow each is like thirty steps that doesn't make sense. You came in hot. Yeah. Why going down? Yeah. I don't know. Why Paul was sending you downstairs the studios are upstairs downstairs in a media. Wait a minute. You're coming with me real fucking office. Looks like a locker room. Locker sucks. I love it. But for you to question, why Paul's me, take me downstairs your question. Why there's jerseys all the fucking floor. Not great. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll go down in you're coming in hot. Yeah. And you had that big smile. Thank you have a good smile. Yeah. You can't non teasing. So you were smiling. Bam the fuck and hand Kate right towards me. And it's like I choice. Because I witnessed that because I saw the handshake and misinterpreted and I walked upstairs after fuck. I just hugged him. He definitely was going for a hug a hot fucking, sir smile. Allot came in hot right towards the middle of my chest. No, I like. Look, look when you put your hand for a shake middle chest. I can't go for the hug now because you're gonna fuck it. Right. No, see that's why I did. Like, I I'm very sick of of awkward white guy handshakes lakes, but like if I put it right to the middle right in the middle, and it straight out. We're not doing that. Where it's like, you're gonna shake my fucking fuck it. Fuck it, and listen, you may not like the handshake. But the only thing worse is the indecision this it's like is that a hug is that adapts handshake shaking, and we're avoiding all is sure it is true. That happens where you when you meet a lot of people when you kind of people know, you are the kind of automatically go for a handshake. I met my cousin's girlfriend the other night dinner. It's always awkward a platonic girls situation is offering you got there before me. I didn't know what she looked like she knew what I looked like. So she came from behind while. I was kinda standing at the bars. Looking for my cousin kinda tapped me I immediately turned around and just went for the hand. 'cause I assumed it was like a story or something like that. And she kind of gave me like the look at the hand look up. She's like, I'm Samantha my hands already out of my hand. It was incredibly and I get in my own head. So it's all I thought about all dinner fucking hook cigarette. Hannam so goddamn stupid. Like into a greeting is we too because I think a hug can be awkward at certain situations. Touched. Armpits and really like come up over the shoulders. Be granted here. Tuck. Where you do a very gentlemen like hug like that's time. He'll lower back muscles reason for that you're creepy. But that's the Vince Vaughn from winning crashes. They asked out hug that's awkward to you know, it's like. It's like there's really no good way to greet. Someone said don't ever do. And look, no, I. Just keep your distance speedily. The hi fi. I see I do that too. I'm so goddamn awkward. I'm credit. Unlike attempt social anxiety person to be around. Embrace. It was thrown. It was strong like you cracked by back. And then the fingertips kinda like meat hooked. Any like, you grab like some back that next to my shoulder blade, and that it was a little creepy. But I liked it. Because you have you have a young face. You only like I got meet hooked by young young. Boy, man, you're a young boy man, like your your fourteen with like thirty three year old hair. Right. Pimples. Pizza liquorice. Accurate. Know last night. Joey. Jelly. Outgrow peanut butter and jelly. Do you outgrow peanut butter and jelly for short term in like middle school? We were like, oh, mom, maybe peanut butter and jelly. Hit high school greatness, Joey time. I've been doing the triple Deckers recently. I put another slice of bread in there. Just double up on the carbs. That's cool load up. Sometimes don't even do the Jellison. Don't just go straight. Peanut butter milk telling you right now, the peanut butter jelly ratio. Always more. Peanut butter jelly. I'm a good seventy five percent lately with this girl that made me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. L A to New York flight, right? And I have to have like a peanut butter and jelly or something. Like that every sucks. So she made me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And she pulls out of her purse, and the whole fucking sandwich bag is smothered and jelly because it just leaped out because she puts so much buck and jelly, and it was so mad. He's told me, you know, the fucking peanut butter ratio. Who the fuck are you? I was so mad. Yeah. That was done after that. I like how the and then I bid I there's no fucking peanut butter. Jelly wearing pitch. Where it's at like jelly. The whole flight. Fuck you over. Fuck in what the fuck jelly all the hawk. The hawk outta here. Jelly bench. Is it called jelly and peanut butter sandwich. Jelly has been riding peanut butter coat-tails for decades, man. There would be no jelly without peanut butter. Jelly. Fuck. You jelly. I'll even do jelly. I'm gonna preserves the fuck. Am. I am. Mama laid. See? Fucking seeds. I don't care. Base in. Glass. It's. Hoke stored somewhere dust on the lid. Bro in there. After like, a holocaust. Holocaust, bro. My stepdad is one of the mountains of West Virginia. He still has farmers and his family and they preserve room. But I didn't know outside his strawberry. Maybe boys and Barry every now, and then I'll get that. Right. But I didn't know they like pear and peach and apricot like I use. When my mom got an apricot preserves listen lady. I'm move out of this book moving to the tree house for the week, you need to get your shit together, bro. They came to the house to visit. And they put like hillbilly bullshit, man. They had like a luggage back those Mason jars and it had taped on top with ink pen like APR ikat peach fucking pineapple. And I was like what the fuck is. It makes jelly. She jam or whatever the fuck. It was bright all of them. They're delicious. I ate all moonshine and fucking jelly from the hills of cleaner. Dick, weird mountain shit. In the in the balance folk, they love Mason jars like white women love Tupperware. That's like everything got started. Stonemason john. There's nails. Joins vicar. Every like everything's holds everything they remain. Ancestors. Screw the lids to like two by fours. And then like lightbulbs it put the jarring automobile. So big as in like like their their grand great-grandfather fauna civil-war-like. They have his thumb in one. Everything is just. Who's that? Stonewall jackson. That's your phone. He's the reason why we got a house pay your respect to the Mason jar you pay your respect co fuck yourself. True, right? This concludes the Mason jar portion of the show. We just went in on Mason jar, man. Fucking both. Right. So Joe you are. Yeah. You're the fourth member of a very illustrious club on KFC radio. Here we go. We have just the setup we have just been collecting the funniest Asian guys in the business. She's is Asia. Nope. Nope. We are racist. Age category as surf well. We'll see you. Ain't shit funny. Guys get over here. Well, the first guy who was in. It was Jimmy o Yang on Twitter as funny Asian dudes. So don't talk to me about categorizing you guys. Join it yourself if you're going to pick a Asian. That's the one right? So we had Jimmy o Yang. I love him. Ken John, Oliver, cans, Instagram recently. What can they go way back? Then. Because you're Asian. What he was actually a doctor and just doing stand up for fun. Well, not for fun, but pursuing. Yeah. And yes, we go way back. Can you talk to me then because he's he's welching on a bet right now. Right. Red Sox on from Boston Red Sox. Dodgers bet that he never totally agreed to tweet it. It was a one side. It was the daughters win. I would I would be in one of his movies for free. I was really to offer that up. Yeah. I never been in a movie or TV show work Marquette, anything I've done get out. Really? It wasn't a great says. Brown kidding me. And then if my club too. Sure. Compared to Brad Pitt. And remember that what he was just sweating and poured the water on his abs-. Yes. I do very poster in my college dorm over with who didn't follow up with Brad who didn't fall in love with Brad FICO. I dare anyone Eddie guy. Anyone any woman any man follow? With Brad and anarchy. With both for a good five years that movie changes you and a lot of ways that they say, there's the Kinsey scale and everything's like a floating. Tyler Durden, Brad, Pitt and fight club is like the proof of that. No one is fully straight. You watch fight club. You're like, oh, I get. Kisses blood? Fucking snatch to anything Brad Pitt fighting. Yeah. Yeah. Mrs Smith, but you don't talk about fight club before fight club. Like there was this hype. On on Brad, Pitt like it was like every woman's dream. You remember that one western where like I forgot the name of it. We're just like the movie trailer was just him looking at the sun. Box office smash. I forgot the name of it. But it was like all these movies. And like guys were hating on them. Really? Because he was just was more like pretty boy at that point like flowing hair. And there was almost like to Capri oh ask like kinda heartthrob, and then he like bad ass fucking. And then fight club came out. What did that come out? So you like that's kind of one of the first like bad movies. I remember seeing what's bad moving bad. Okay. Play like, no, no fucking. I guess that's by early two thousand two. Yes. So I didn't even see that. I didn't see I was I was eleven maybe ten that's crazy, man. It was that is movies fucking beautiful fire. Really really you're thinking of legends of the fall. Yeah. Very like, he's got the cowboy hat on the long hair the training a horse. He's fucking one man. Come on, dude. Leave some for the rest of us, including the kids in Africa. You're taking all them to got everything man. World War Z the hot zombie. Fuck Brad before anybody else. Dombi? We're that's like we were talking about recently. The most rewatching movies of all time. Yeah. And I I think it's basically anything is on ethics. It's not like I'll I'll I'll never pass World War Z. I want their climbing the wall fuck this apocalypse. I don't want to kill yourself viewer in his ambi- pocket. We'll probably jump into that. Simple. Want to become I would kill myself. Oh, you kill your like. I'm not. I don't want be is, AVI. I don't want to get by flush before I die your throat rip downshifts tough way to go. Hang out until I once I see zombie done. But could you really kill kill? If there's a clip zombies coming down for a big Callard when it comes to suicide. But if that resume. Apocalypse man, got note up really. What I call them in the movie comes zeke's. Yeah. And I think it's when they're like, don't worry guys. I got this one and the guy shoots himself. Maybe it's riding the bikes the side of the spoilers. I think I'd be like. Yeah. Someone just shoot me. Go suicide by friends. I mean, again, like would you would you hate if you go, you know, what man fuck it just shoot me and the guy shoot the leg? The shoulder like fucker? The other shoulder you fucking ASO. He runs out of bullets on trying to get a purple heart and his army war man like me, misery, man. Going John Kerry with and throwing them at the White House dies son of a pet. Oh, suicide always good for a couple of minutes. How would you? How would you go? What kind of suicide? Oh, boy, the tough questions. It's a jump. I've talked about I have a plane or some shit road. Have you ever bungee jumped I've skydived budget? Okay. I I hated my life, and it only did it because my son was on the bridge with me and my dad. Yeah. Fifteen. Wow. We did a New Zealand where you're supposed to do it. That's the home of my uncles. He's only buddied up one says like he did it in New Zealand. My bras. That's where it started perfected it. Yeah. They're like that is the only thing we. The kangaroos and bungee jumping. No, we don't even have those. Can't make Australia. They hate each other, by the way. Yes, got big lake. Under beef. Yeah. Call each other's those aren't even fucking horrible words colleague OT. We that's I guess Baras racial insults. Go I guess this is racial or is it necessary. I don't know. I don't know what the right word is. It's it's delicious cracker cracking. You all the cracker. That's considered a racial slur. Because white people. Because white people you can't really say racial story about white people. We've got gotta go on. Austrailia? They're all criminals, right? Ancestors slur, just lost everybody in Brisbane. Downloads in Australia. You had a good run with Chelsea lately. I'm good friends with Josh he's kind my metric. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you're going to look like antennae. You just like John surprise when I when I saw both you guys actually surprised with he'll get a fifteen year old son because I feel like you guys. He's got a daughter too. Yeah. But I just feel like especially Josh looked a lot younger on TV. I didn't think either you guys were like had older children's TV, bro. We both look very good. Fucking handsome guys. Well does. True. Fucking shrew, you're rich teddy. Boy, we got we got a boss here. The guy who founded this whole thing he used to be on speaker, ugly gross body at one Hunchback bald spot, and he got skinny bought some hair got a tan close the fit them done. Gyles? There's no such thing as good looking and ugly. There's rich and poor man. Yeah. That Chelsea run though. I was supposed to be chewy. Oh, yeah. I turn that shit down at first. I was like all right tells like because we met Chelsea year, I met her like a couple years before Chelsea lately, even took off and I met through John Lubbock. I tell the story all the time because I used to open for Jon lovitz, and this is about like, I dunno fourteen years ago, whatever and John was like whatever my space was out so thirteen years ago fourteen and he was I you have to meet, my friend. He's his Derek. She's my only friend on my space. Doc spot on. And then I went to it was literally like, Tom and Chelsea. Eight favorites. And he only had the two and the next thing. She started coming around and she was doing the show with us every Wednesday at the laugh factory. And then she just took a liking to me. And she's like, I got this show idea. And we're about to do it. And I want to be my sidekick to and I said, no. And this is when you know, someone's a genius like she knew what she wanted. And you knew it was going to be successful. Because I said, yes, we took a couple of meetings. And all of a sudden, I got this deal with comedy central. And I decided to you know, I didn't want to commit to something like that. Because if this takes off I want to you know, what I mean. You know what I mean? Everyone wants to don't show. So I said no to it. And that she in late into me on the phone. She was like, oh good. Good luck in this. Buck in town, you let your agents and your manager decide what you can do with your career. What Paul you're this fucking until it's gonna be fucking tip. She just hangs up on me. And I'm like fuck me. That's socked. Better. Then my my pilot didn't get picked up. So now, I'm really fucked because I could have been on this show that I'm watching it home, and I'm working at Nordstrom rack, and I'm watching the show actually blow up every week. It's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger than six months later she calls, and then and then next thing, you know, she puts she she's g still reached out made. Yeah. That's good. You didn't have to like tuck tail and like man, she she reached. She knew. Fucking smart, man. I'm telling you man, that panel is so genius. Because she just knew it. She knew that that the people at that panel were what drove that show and she allowed it. And that's what takes that's why she's a pro because you don't me like some people get a show are I got it from here. You're my guess, but I got it. But but she understood it's like these guys are killing. And I may let them when we were at it. You know, we started out as just a written blog, and then we wanted to get into video. You know, the dream would be to have a TV show, and Chelsea lately was like one of the one of the we always said we wanted to be like a pre game show for sports mixed with SNL mixed with an Chelsea lately was like an idea of just a host kicking it to panel members. Who are there's no it's not scripted. And it's kind of off the cuff, calm reaction. And you know, what like nobody else has really come along and done it like since which is funny to me. So cool. You said that because I think it went on for seven years, and and I'm. Telling you, she was like the new Johnny Carson. Yeah. She really was killed. If you killed on that panel. What I mean by Johnny Carson, if you killed on Carson, you people on but people on Chelsea if you killed on Chelsea man, your road your road life was phenomenal. If you sucked on Chelsea she wants she kick you off you never came back. And you knew you weren't coming back. 'cause she'd always tell Mike the talent Booker. She would always like inbetween when we went to break if it was a new person on the panel, they were sucking. She would call them over. And she would just wish we're like, okay? This is the last time this. You could just see if you enjoy the new panel. Would you be like, oh, we do? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'd always put the new person inbetween. We would always book into and you could just tell. Yeah. You could just tell Chelsea looking at a life. Fuck is this that you get on those who was the worst? Easy into. It was the best the best that just came on and killed it. Matt Bronner was good, man. Matt, bro. You should put him on your show. He was he was really good. He would come out of nowhere with some gyms. Okay. So who was the opposite? Man. I can't that. I don't like doing that a lot. Everybody except for me. Josh. Okay. Fine. You guys were just. All money. You would probably Johnny Chen. Sara, Heather, Ben like, those crisper. Angela Chris Chris Mets fan. I've gotta get him on here too. Right about the Mets that was the crew Teamster like we were the crew row. It was it was so cool. So you would know topics I head of time. And then if I if I year, she would do topics, and then we would all meet in like this office of and she'd walk in and here everybody's joke. And then she would go. Okay. I like that one. I like that one goes order, and then she noticed that the band tour is what everyone really gave a shit about. So it got to the corner. She's like, I don't want to hear your jokes. Let's let's say pointing to me that you even told the joke that had a time we try to replicate that it's like there's been a couple of times. We've had our producers forget to press record or something until like of that. And it's like all right. We gotta do it again. And it's like impossible to recreate I type of reaction and banter is one thing acting. Yeah. Yeah. We did a long time ago where we started because we have these, smells, and there are a few episodes where we were like, okay, we're going to listen to the voice mails. I get are jokes ready and then played on the show, and and basically get our jokes. And we've always tried like shoehorn, and it was felt awkward. So we start we were like fucking no one can hear the voice. Oh and blind every time because the banter is definitely the best. Sucks. Let's get into a couple. We're going we're flying blind here. So it could be played for me before the show starts. Yeah. So I got a situation on my hand here. My fiance calls me up and propose. You're a couple of months ago tells me from work today. Find hurry. So she got me what can the house right now? I don't wanna get too mad about it as she's really upset about it. I spent a ton of money on the rain, and I'm twenty six so. Dating the level of I don't wanna be angry at her. But you know. Yeah. That's the worst. When someone does something fucked up, and they beat themselves up. Like, no, that's that's my job. I get to be mad and a double when it's your girl. Like, it's you know. Women know how to flip it to. You're getting upset about the diamond. And she's like, I'm already upset. You don't have to like, I get it. You end up. College is paid a lot of money to tell me how much money I'm already Christ. Like, it was my dream to get married. I'm way more upset than you are believe me. I'm crying. Do you want me to die? Do you want me to die because I'll die because that's what I wanna do. Not kill don't type out fucking killing. Because it's obviously the diamonds more important, right? Right. That's more important, right? Because you paid a lot of money. Right. So maybe just kill myself. I'll kill myself, and then you can find your fucking time in and hopefully that diamond can suck your debt. Okay. Put the diamond on your debt. Okay. This guy dancer, he has his answer. I've had this wasn't about a diamond ring by that is your answer guy. You can't do a fucking thing. Because that's exactly what you're going to the only thing I could say to you is why didn't you get insurance for a diamond. A lot of thought about too by the way gambling, you get the right insurance policy. Like, I've always been like L, go ahead. And like again, just lose out Ranga. They'll be like. Yeah. I'm sure. Premiums. Go up, plenty whatever we'll have to diamond. Called earrings bits. You're mad at me. I'm looking to. Long. I was washing your Feqi mug. Fucking dead. Two two. This is the way it's unfair shit is is if the situation was reversed that you lost your range would be going in like, what did you lose your girl? Washing your fucking, Tampa even flow the same way. Rodeo up say, all right. You want me to kill myself. Oh, yes. Irresponsible. Prick. They I mean, especially in the ring is like, you know, I I have a theory, by the way, I call it reciprocity for the ring, I think that the whole ring cultures insanity. So my idea was that every dollar that you put into the ring. Yeah. She has to then contribute to your bachelor party, boom. So like, hey, listen, you wanna rock fine. But that means I'm going like Vegas with like twenty grand. And you know, what's going to happen? So. Unless you really want that ring because otherwise, you know, and then the guy's ring is like, I think mine was like one hundred fifty dollars. It was like, you know. It's crazy. And then I mean, you think about how many times you're dating a girl who's like, you know, maybe she's a little bit like flaky or Lou forever. And you're like here put like, you know, tens of thousands dollars on your finger. I'm just going to entrust that to you, even though I know that you like can't handle it's crazy that you just put that much money very expensive. Craig it's a very expensive way to get one hundred likes on sold even wanna put sixty grand on her finger when like two days ago, she was like, where's my tweezers? Did you lose your tweets? How many times it's been? Oh, I lost myself. I lost. Oh, it's my back. Back to stop in the middle of the street. So you can get down to one and funneled through your bag. And it's always there for the bottom of the bag. I found it. Bye. Battery must be dead. I don't should I call it. No. It's dad you'll be able to find it while it's fucking bag. It's always been fucking. Which is all hypothetical. That little small pocket. You don't really see it? Zip it up. What do we got? That was a good call guys got a relationship question. Work more port used as having the same political belief or having the same. He's rude. I was actually I thought he was going to say TV, I'll take it a step further. Those are going to be sports teams. There's a lot of a lot. So let's let's. Food tastes sports, allegiance television preference. Okay. You ready for this? You're gonna hate me for this. Oh, boy politics. Hang on before politics. Sports food. Tv you're gonna say something very annoying. I am especially right now, we're gonna. Voting. Very big right now hands down politics should be nowhere in your relationship. I'm sorry. We're going to say the opposite though being like that. So it's one of those things though, we're like I believer that everyone should keep their you should vote. Go vote. That's your fucking right? And and you need to vote, but your politics me personally. I like to keep that shit to myself. I bait and I don't wanna fight about it. I have my beliefs you have yours, but it's one of those things where you have to know at least a little bit like say, you're at you're at home. Right. You're married two years, and you're at home, and you're watching the news now you watch Monday night football and that fucking commercial came on. And you're like, I hope they shoot everyone in that caravan. A little bit. I do think there's a difference. So it's politics. What I'm saying? Like like, I don't want that to be our topic of discussion. No doubt. But I think there's a difference between like do you think that you know, we should how much should the public be taxed is very different from like Pro Bowl wall and killed him. Some of these transcend politics to like, oh, well, you sound like a bad person. So that I think if we're talking, you know, broad like, there's nothing you can say your side. Tax platform. Right. Doug. All right over right. I think that kinda shit should should stay separate. But I do think it it'd be tough to just say like, well, that's her political beliefs. And I'm okay, you have your right to believe that if it's some shit that you truly like disagree with I feel like deep down eventually that will probably take its toll on your really give it a world. But I think eventually it's going to rear its ugly head. Yeah. I to me on a practical day to day basis. I think TV preferences, these days it might be in relationship. Yeah. Sex more than who you hang out with more than what you like to travel. I don't want to travel whatever on a nightly basis, if it's like what I put on she rolls her eyes, and what she puts on fucking hate. Then you ever gonna get along that important in this day and age, it's true. But there's two TV's. Well, but so then it's like not a relationship. Well, yeah. I mean, I. Later on you, go to your bedroom and watch TV and I'm downstairs for the next four hours of primetime TV. I'll watch. Yeah. We are. We used to have a co host also Kira? You may have heard of her. Familiar with her work. She she used to say that her and her husband. They she's like, yeah. We we watch TV in separate rooms we order our dinner separately, and we sleep in different beds. And I was like why do you call them your husband, then because that's a roommate? You have you're if you're not I think you have to watch TV. And I know you're a big advocate of order ordering you. I think you've got to watch him. And I think you have to order food together. I think you can order food together. I think I have any problem with being from different places. Do you want to eat dinner fine? But I'm going to order. It's Mexican yours and pizza because I didn't want pizza tonight. We can eat at the same time. Why do I have to eat? What you're what you're feeling that night? I like that. Yeah. Separate dinners. I think would save marriages. You're right recipe. Recipe. The ring in separate separate debtors. Yeah. Just coming from a guy is about to be divorced. So maybe don't listen to me. But. Maybe maybe if we did the dinners thing wouldn't wouldn't have been saying, wait, you're about to be deployed. Unfortunately, it didn't go. So well it was. I could handle better. We'll just say that. But I do think TV needs to be to be, you know, first on the list verse on the list, I'll go TV one food to sports. I when I was a kid. I was we've we said like I say this. You're still a kid all right here. You're kidding. Really body mass to my my body baby fat baby fat. I used to be like I love Canadians fans if I run into those regularly. The red and blue. But I I think I think you could actually have almost more fun. Yeah. Because have a rival sports the egged bus ball a little well to an extent. It'll probably go wrong a lot here as a single person. I think. Again, the two guys who really shouldn't be given by. All right, Joe. We appreciate you coming through, man. So you got your number one. My number one is food. Like, I can't stand a person that just can't try new shit. And that's the male or female. It's just kinda like motherfucker. Why are you living right? Like, you've got a taste something. I don't take catches to soom that's going to sell. And also, I mean based on your peanut butter and jelly take. I would say the food certainly is near and dear heart down, Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick has the BBB and J. He puts peanut butter on both sides. So as the traffic jelly. So it doesn't seep out through C. You wouldn't have had that mess and you'll Bill checks. A fucking is Jean smart. That's really good. Yeah. The were just as all sealed in smartness. All right. So you you are at. The begin Friday night Friday night to show Belleville per show. But bombshell flipped and then you've got the break, the mold tour, and you're you're currently filming about the film. You're next Netflix special on the work. So big things pop. Give a follow on Twitter. Check out. What's this? I Joe Quitoco J O K O Y on everything Instagram. Everything is Jay, okay? Get the tickets and give them a follow. Very funny guy. We appreciate it. I love you, man. Thank you very much out. Thanks, Joe Koi. 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10 Trivia Questions on Fictional Sports Teams

Trivia With Budds

06:51 min | 2 months ago

10 Trivia Questions on Fictional Sports Teams

"Get your pop. Culture brain's ready. Because i got ten trivia questions for you on fictional sports teams business trivia with buds known. Welcome to episode of the trivia with buds podcast. I'm your host ryan buds. Thanks for checking on my show and thanks for checking out my website. Trivia with buds dot com. It's linked in the show every episode. And you can go see all kinds of cool videos and pictures and blogs and other quizzes and just a lot of cool stuff over there so check it out. Trivia with buds dot com taken some new headshots and promotional pictures. Tomorrow so i'll updating the website. Probably by february. I i wanna say so. Be on the lookout for that. It'll be very virtual trivia centric and it'll have a bunch of new fund images to check out speaking things to check out this a review for the podcast that i checked out today. It is on the apple pie a apple podcast and it says five stars like the format. This was made on this past. Monday by bigfoot. Sixty one says really like the format questions followed by answers. Not a lot of filler. In between makes it great for a family road trip. Thank you big foot sixty one. That's what i'm going for. A lot of people listen to this show while they're cruising around the country. And i feel like it's a perfect for that kind of thing. So thank you for leaving that review bigfoot if you want a shark nato picture of From the movie and some stickers and stuff like that drop me a line ryan buds gmail.com. Say hey i was bigfoot. Red my review on your podcast. I'll make sure to get your mailing address and send you some cool stuff and that goes for anybody who leaves a review that helps get more Eyes and ears on the show. And i am grateful for you for doing that. Okay we're gonna jump into today's episode fictional sports teams. Give you the team. You tell me what franchise it is from here. We go fictional sports teams. I'll give you the name of the team. You tell me what franchise it's from might be a book a movie a tv show video game at cetera. Here's question number one. The springfield isotopes number one. The springfield isotopes. What franchise is that. From number one fictional sports teams number two that chug lee cannons number. Two the charlie cannons and question. Number three the rancho cain high. Toro's number three the rancho cain high. Toro's number three and number four mean machine number four mean machine followed by number five milwaukee beers number five the milwaukee beers question number six the flint michigan tropics number six the flint michigan tropics number six and number seven the south central louisiana state mud dogs number seven the south central louisiana state mud dogs three questions to go on fictional sports teams number eight. The washington sentinels number eight. The washington sentinels and number nine. The new new york. Mets the new new york mets. And your last one number ten district. Five in what franchise movie tv show etc. Would there be a fictional. Sports team called district five. Those are all of your fictional sports teams. Hopefully you were able to identify most of them. We'll be right back in just a second to see if you pulled it off. We are back with the answers to fictional sports teams. Let's see how you did number one. The springfield isotopes. That of course was the simpsons which makes sense because simpsons fan. Luke mckay wrote these questions. Thank you luke. For sending him to me number the canons. That is harry potter quidditch team. In harry potter that shuttling cannons number. Three the rancho. Cain high toro's that was bring it on the cheerleading movie. Bring it on. I'm received that on a date in eighth grade way back in the day. It's an okay movie number. Four mean machine. The longest yard that is from the longest yard mean machine number. Five milwaukee beers is basketball one of my favorite trey parker matt stone movies bastketball number six to flint michigan tropics semi pro semipro with will ferrell and woody harrelson. This is a movie nobody really talks about. But it's pretty funny. Semipro number seven d south central louisiana state mud dogs. That is the waterboy the water boy number eight the washington sentinels is the replacements a football movie the replacements number nine the new york mets is futurama. Futurama and number ten district five is from the mighty ducks franchise the mighty ducks. I don't know much about real sports but boy. I had fun hosting this one on fictional sports teams. Hope you had fun playing along. If you like the show lever of you get free stuff from me in the mail. Just let me know that you did it. By emailing ryan buds at g mail dot com. We have one more for you. Call the fact of the day and the fact of the day is before toilet. Paper was invented. americans used to use corn cobs. That's right nothing like an ice corncob to wipe your bum before toilet paper now. you know. hopefully you don't have to do that as we move. Further into this crazy crazy pandemic all right. That is the show for today guys so much for listening. Thanks for telling a friend. We'll see next. Time for more trivia with buds cheers.

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#160 Theology & Rhyming (with Tim Minchin)

Under the Skin with Russell Brand

26:37 min | 5 months ago

#160 Theology & Rhyming (with Tim Minchin)

"Hello i just want to offer you this short clip. I'm russell brandon. This is under the skin. Fifty minute section of my podcast with tim mention in this bit. We are talking about well. theology at. Tim is famously in artist. I'm i as you know religious not This is he's doing these costs to promote new album apart together. Which is gonna be fantastic. And i love this conversation with tim mentioned. If you enjoy this please over the luminary pass dot com and sign up where you get my cost luminary original as well as loads of other original content and remember funeral paying for the product you are the product you are being corralled an used and sold and your consciousness is being manipulated so two dollars ninety nine per month or per week per month in. That's not aged. We're doing some regions well uk nor uk his as we don't have dulles 'cause we don't have hollers i be looking around and they may even called a dollar here or era what it's called in mike country it's called not supposed are the northern irish accent so what has the same wash public person. I just relax role gonna die where limitless spice gal hoppy hobby and also sign up to calm for lewis to pip squeaks and not in our bubblegum superb. I'm to luminary. Cost calm guy. They now that. Get us the quote. Get your discount over. Do you know tim mention his australian. Comedian actor writer musician and songwriter. You probably know him for me. Fantastic musical matilda which won a bunch of awards including an livy. I was nominated for grammy. It was an amazing musical. I've seen it twice. Maybe three times musical ground obey also won awards. He's new album apart together will be released on friday. The twentieth of november a- part together a like that so nice name for an album about this time and see mentions very very beautiful like all like he started with some comedy parody songs right and i think that most people that do those things well is just a good song anyway like the conchords or who is it and i think about that are like trey parker matt stone songs are just really good anyway. Height your life. The you'll love is conversation. Atheism talk about spirituality is quite intent. There's points of it where it's a little wordy of its say but also i would hope sensor fraternity warmth. Certainly that's why i have him. I think he's incredibly accomplished and beautiful person. Here's some comments from a previous podcast. Which i say to you supposed to encourage you to listen to other podcasts of mine obviously and i suppose the next composed in myself up this from the very fox is put cost. Did you enjoy that jin. yeah. I like jaanus why. He's vague granted and direct. Do you see him as sort of shaven headed uncle. Why and he doesn't remind me of my uncle. Doesn't doesn't wanna remind you putting me and there's a new uncle transfer market for on calls and you'd blame right. We're going to boost the uncle. The uncle position is not. What enough support get yannis. Fox's right in there uncoached. Imagine you have great with him. He's teaching about politics. He's respectful of your views. He saw strong buy can take a joke but this is everything he won't from an encore it. Yeah he's a good one for feed pop. She's a sexy young like as he's did. Maybe how old is he every uncouth older unless it's one then families all no that's right. I'm going to them. I'm going on to them guys where you have thin. That's enough of by bay and your little tiny encore. This little this little. Tommy unqoute tin no no no icon f. The hat financed by the first time. I've always loved this. I think we were intimidated by him. Rosewood was our was one of china's still in because might have been arto who intimidate by huron gracie. No why not. he's cute. he's cute him. You know here on. Did you come at time when he came to. Pj in marlow. Well what remind you. So i want you wait. That one and henry were stopping the back from iran. Today was he like as in the amazing of course college. That's what i love here on. I love his wife. Victoria likes to. Maybe you're listening to this now and gloving with this proof and appraise approval and appraisal sharon upon them anyway so he would be a cousin or maybe a brother in my family transfer market. It's my game family transfers. You don't find your actual family. Sorry dat we're selling you with abuse us and make quite in a transfer deal to bring a new dad Who do you think is going to be very responsible. clean now. an ace maybe will buy wouldn't ship out rome brand for state. I think he got be loyal to the actual mom and dad. This is much more uncles. 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Nanny is coming over to help us with the artist's way on t. nine. He's teaching us about the environment and sister. Elizabeth galloway cannot bring in all right. Sicily's who are like. I have got lots of female friendships i think quite boundaries and respectful on they yet may go then. Some kind of sisterhood. Tom no sister all right. That big brother for mobile a nomination powerful e ville full. Well he wasn't we're in now is was the big brother for you know easter people. There was a you might even in a constructive nephews. Ready he was so stalin. I suppose was knee talking. Decided about transfers saint about any of that. This is a bow. Tim minchin my brother. My transferred in brata. You know what to do sign up to my mailing list brand dot com also zoom calls where we raise money for various different charities so sign up for that mailing list and follow me on social media. Should you decide to do so even lightly. I as you know if in thinking that we need to strongly regulate our use of social media cruises ruining lives. Now let's get onto tim. Minchin mar transferred in brother my ideological and philosophical opponent great songwriter. Great creator anza remember. His new album apart together is allen. Twenty from november trying to achieve equality with the annihilation of calgary successful route. That's exactly right in this era where turns out what's beneath the surface of people with maya the ideas that finance on the history. Welcome to russell brand and did this game. What is your relationship like. With your own creativity and the mystery of that creativity given your of devout rationalism i think part of my a rationalism allows full all coals for the wisdom of the the growth in it is that i think the journey is about becoming comfortable with this comfort actually. That's kind of Groundhog day this musical. That i wrote with danny rubin who wrote the movie Is really a meditation on how to live meaningfully in a meaningless universe. Really which i think is really now kind of what i'm talking about in a tv In groundhog day and even my album. I'm i'm trying to find ways to tell the story of a meaningless existence so that it's beautiful i think meaning is in narratives is in the stories we tell ourselves and i think religion is one story you can tell yourself. I don't think you need to have myth to tell yourself a beautiful story about leaving fleetingly in this universe sort of thing as for art it the question of how one creates and as you said the magic of that and it does feel magical. Sometimes it feels like extracting teeth. I feel i ought is a bit light consciousness. Consciousness doesn't particularly to me require an explanation beyond i am comfortable sitting with consciousnesses in emergent property of this extraordinarily complex neurology which we don't quite understand yet and any further hypotheses about what consciousnesses a what inspiration is though south eight inches may but doesn't keep me up at night. I'm not is not something. i'm pursuing. i don't i've kind of made. I don't think riding song is particularly different from doing some nice plumbing posibly out depending on the plumbing and the song i mean both need improvement in my own life of a flip off to the side to use appropriate. Colloquialism is because a healthy up. When are think are going to say something. We'll use as a quote to promote the show and extracting teeth. Creativity was want. Didn't want you to think i had either a peculiar twitch or secret agenda. Fuck this guy. Contact mentioned with this thing. It's bothering me now. This idea though about this. Obviously things you sit there really interest me because my assumption with the emergence of new atheists and then of us to forgive the term celebratory kind of yourself rakija basic cetera. Like was a kind of an anti establishment motif sufism over movement that was important an important way of attacking a law of entrenched ideas ultimately about domination about mystery about beauty. Know about unity. Know about us where you and i have a distinct views or opposing views. I suppose different necessarily opposing like is that i feel that consciousness that the the idea that consciousness emerges from matter requires the sore precisely the same kind of faith the opposite view requires and the idea that there is no cost i recognized that meaning is often a kind of confection because there's so multitudinous the presence of the universal in myth and theology whether that ultimately becomes about psychology or even hormones and neurology or neurology suspicion about protein bridges. It's still i kind of language. Still a kind of pattern. The other thing is because i've had sort of an difficult in way to attribute a particular narrative to this and of stance of objectivity around there. I recognize that beyond me limitations that term unless yeah i have experienced aspects of consciousness are impersonal the b. b. where i have experienced awareness. There's not russell by as a young man with psychedelics and of more latterly through so of yoga can breath based experience right so so so for me. The door is open like no more than or less necessarily than anybody else about that. My concern about the rational materialist post. Enlightenment view is that it leads to where we are. Now i would say the dominant ideology is not there. Is this mystery. And that we're all one. And we're only experiencing a tiny fragment of reality due to the limitation of our senses and all scientific data that we receive necessarily as filtered through limited senses. Even if it involves amplification of and the disruption of the laws of physics thermodynamics at the quantum level means that our objective understanding of reality is self limited and liable to change the more we learn. And i think when we remain to those kind of ideas. We remain open to changing society. And i think of post structuralism post modern that we're experiencing lately in this fight and tear. Politics movement is about literally the d. construction of power dynamics the bowl of out tyranny persecution and genocide and still now so for disruption. I think remaining open to this idea that we're experiencing a small part of reality. None of us know for sure what it is but what there are certain universal emotions love and and of course the shadow of that but the if we identify with that love and all of our right to love and the idea that this love is a kind of a longing for connection and perhaps even a longing for for for oneness for union which certainly linguistically that seems to be the case when when the word is analyzed across cultures across languages then presents us. Think we're very optimistic. Worldview or at least a hopeful worldview. And so that's yeah. That's i guess what i want you to spend a few minutes chatting about. Well you said a lot of things there. It's like yeah the i mean. Firstly i agree that the new ideas movement was another wave of iconoclasm take power away from palace structures that were damaging so when we get to the end of what you're talking about that just then we're going to talk. The conclusion of this is the world's a bit shit and we've ended up in this place and and what are we to attribute this spiritual decay. Oh this loss of community in this carelessness about species in the earth than the nuclear proliferation. And the emergence of i that might destroy its oldest oldest stuff that you could call spiritual to kai if you that would. I'm getting comfortable with the new ideas. And we'll celebrity artists. That i all i've ever done is criticized. Where where what i perceived to be. Arana's systems intersect with bigotry and prejudice. So with the exception of sort of the stuff that just logically disintegrates the idea that prayer has a causal relationship with outcomes in illness and stuff which is simply explaining. Why people think that's the case. Even though the data shows it's not the case which is talking about confirmation bias and being clever clever and talking fast. Have you ever met anyone like that. And and then and then but mostly it's about you can't use your religion decide you don't like the guys that sort of thing so am i is more about saying if you wanna have beliefs that by stone supernatural stuff. Then that's fine but if you want results you'll believe if you want to assert that you'll supernatural. Interpretation of this book has allows you to go into parliament and say therefore now abortions. Then you have to prove the existence of god and you can't so fuck off with your magic book right. So that's my kind of step in at that point because what i feel about. That team is the key problem that you've identified. There is more present in rationalism materialism and so of neo-liberalism politics than is in any religious ideology in twenty twenty. The a not one or the other. You could've size all of it. Did you criticize erroneous. belief across. Except one of those one of those ideologies is has no hope i think of delivering us different types of society and the other one does now like with the extraction of what you've identified with the extraction of like you know i believe in jesus or mohammed will boudreau wherever and therefore i decided. Don't be guy that's like. Yeah that's children's problems. But like but what i feel is the if you look at if we would have as best we can kind of orange approach to the problems of the world who is impoverished to suffering and who benefits and why these structures in place who is conserving preserving. Propagating the structures. Then we like the top. Punter popes and i are toddlers people that believe in nearly released ideologies economic the real fundamentalism. The real religion is an economic one and laid yes. We should like motion that of course all subject to but like a why would say if the if the objective is changed the world if the objective is make people bear like we were discussing the puck all our target. Not be the thing that's most likely to bring about change or not be critiquing the thing. That's most problematic. And i'm not saying this as i say at the beginning of your career. I think during the time that you've been in the public eye. The of emphasis focus change. I think it was a really worthy worth while tug and of course they're all sorts of people being persecuted and condemned and suffering as a result of matt religious ideology. Still but i would say the fig it pales in comparison to the hoover sufferings result of consumerism capitalism domination of surveillance tech etc. Yeah i i think what i think you and i would identify. Give taika one hundred books that you've read and i haven't and maybe thirty that i've read a new. How a basically think the same thing about any everything right an abroad away to talk about this. You can talk about the fact that you think consciousness bang emergent property of neurology requires faith equal and opposite to the idea that it was bestowed upon us by spiritual bang know that existed anyway pan psyches. It's a pre existing quality yet. And i that doesn't show with maybe it kind kinda doesn't matter. I don't think which one of those in this thing. I don't think you and i go into you. Know never be able to speak again in that on that one. That's not know the origin of consciousness together to know that basically the origin of consciousness is not known. and you can yes The the leading urologists in the world would say it doesn't require an explanation outside of neurology and other people at you would say it does. And that's fine. And i'm very very comfortable sitting with those opposing beliefs. And i don't feel like. I need to solve it to get on with things moral and what what we're really talking about is wishing yana that humans were more marl. Probably you define it as a spiritual you you talk about love as a sort of bigger idea than patye talk about love. And i'd like to talk about that. I would like to hear more about that. But i don't think it i don't think that rationalism is the target you're looking for justice i don't think religion as a whole is the target i'm looking for. I don't think religion has caused us to be where we are. I don't know how to explain where we are. Because i think there's a lot of good things about where we are but i don't think religion has got us where we are and i don't think rationalism has got his where we are what has got us where we are is selfishness and moral compromise. Now you can propose a solution right. So i'm a an atheist rationalist right i. I've made a hate some money. I'm a y. Powerful privileged guy. And all that. But i i would rather die than skip out on any of my tax obligations and i give a further ten percent to charity and promote charities. And i'm you know. I've i've had one partner my whole life and kind to my kids and so so i don't know as a rationalist whether if you had a world full of me you'd find your in a worse position on by the way i'm fucking asshole and shit. I suppose i'm not holding myself. I'm saying i'm your normal kind of morally-driven gun very interested in trying to ethically on this planet and fail in many ways. I'm not vegetarian for example and lots of other lots of other findings but if you had a world full of rationalists whose rationalism led them down the path of an ethical self-examination like it has me who alive trying to tell stories that bring comfort to people that hold a mirror up to people's grave and they're they're they're they a quest to find meaning in this universe and then you had a bunch of people you who site who touched god through lysergic. Acid thought amado magic mushrooms or whatever and had other experiences and believed that. Lavas the answer and that spirituality is what is very important whereas i go sure about that what that sound connected to jesus stuff. I don't think we would find any separation whatsoever in obviously the world is incredibly complex and and helping people serve their own interests and their families. It's almost impossible to unpack. But i don't think my central philosophy that there is no meaning to the universe and that betray and y'all central philosophy that we live in a web of meaning get any distance apart at all except that we can have an interesting chat. Yes i agree with that. I was just thinking though while you were talking. Tim which ideology is easier to create. Invisible hegemony with because of the kind of avert nurse of religion. And it's clumsy. Cartoonish hierarchies in vivid mysterious prophets is pretty easy to say all right. This is a confectionary less easy to see. That can the the the world that we arrive at. I suppose i use the word rationalism as an adjunct materialism and materialism in its various meanings there and say. I don't think you should that era you know your era. It's an objectionable leap. Because i understand. I'm a materialist but i'm not materialistic anymore than your average a more materialistic than your average voter smart. I appreciate that but there there is. There is a direct correlation between those two terms is the mathie in that. Materialism is underwritten by rationalism. This is what we can say. This is what we can observe. This is what we can calculate. This is how we live. That's materialism of the the faithful and the spiritual those who believe in the afterlife and garden equally problematic one of them is in material may as in fancy objects materialism as in no room at the table for the unknown. Right thanks for listening and go to limit announce subscribe to get real. Good deal cheers guys.

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History in Five Songs 49: Weird Solos

Rock N Roll Archaeology

30:08 min | 11 months ago

History in Five Songs 49: Weird Solos

"Hi this is Leeland, sklar and you are digging Pantheon podcast. History in five songs. With host Martin Popoff. Production. He and Theon podcasts. Let's rock out with Martin. Well Hello Welcome back to another episode of history and five songs with Martin. popoff brought to you by the good folks Pantheon pleased as always to be part of the Pantheon cast network been on a few people shows. It's been a lot of fun We've got a great family here. We are available on spotify Itunes, and over forty other podcasts platforms all right. So this episode episode forty-nine. We are just simply going to be calling. Weird Solos tell you a little bit about how these episodes sometimes evolve you know, go to our facebook page for this history and five songs with Martin Popoff. And Joe backed faithful listener came up with a while. I'll just read you what he said here, so he says episodes suggestion Best Solos not played on guitar, the harmonica on nobody's fault, but mine by Zepplin is my top one. The bagpipes on long wait at. At the top by a DC as well, so that got me thinking you know I always. There's more suggestions I'm going to read some of these, but the way these things sort of work is I'll see some of these suggestions, and then all you know all rise to the challenge and try to stump stump you the listeners and come up with some cool ones myself and and there's an episode I, don't Wanna put everything on the facebook and show you all what's going to happen? Because then that Kinda kills the anticipation, but I just wanted to say. just mentioned a little bit of where this sort of went from here so. The first thing that happens is Matt Stone Off. Put on I. Think the obvious is two keys, so I was going to do an episode I. I started looking for all these great keyboard. Solos I was going to do one just on Keyboard Solos in in more or less, a hard rock context, and then that led me to man I would love to find a way to talk about the fill line at albums. His second solo album all town on there, which has my favorite piano solo of all time so? So I started thinking Kay forget keyboards. There's lots of keyboards. Where can I find a bunch of Piano Solo? So I started thinking about Piano Solos? Then I started thinking about Dueling Keyboard and Guitar Solos and made a small list of those so through this process. We've got the germination of another episode. that might go to piano might just go to keyboards. might go to this idea of dueling keyboards and guitars, but I did want to mention a few more things on here just as a setup. I think we did this previous time where I want to mention a few examples that people brought up. That won't be the examples that I. I will be using in this episode so What do we got here? He's from Wick. Require male locomotive breath, so yeah, there's the whole idea of where and when we've got a good old Anderson and flute. Let's see yeah keyboard Intros so Steve. McNair brought up. You know Tony. Carey and Tarot woman. I started making a list of of the big keyboard intros. Here's one I. Didn't go play to check this out to do this episode, but I'm sure this is a good one. The KAZOO Solo on Saigon Kicks My Life Mike Me. Lucy mentions the why actually he mentioned that one as well but here's a second one from him. He mentioned the trombone Solo on Magellan's test of wills. He also mentioned the Violin Solo on Kansas dust in the wind What else do we got here Yeah, CH-! Joe Yes. There's Joe with mentioning that harmonica again. Then I mentioned Claude Schnell because I thought okay. You know I see I. could almost theme one of these episodes around Keyboard Solos in the quote? Unquote Deep Purple Family so that might actually happen as well. Roberto Vega mentioned sabotage Red Baron Let's see Don Airey your heap, so there's a bunch of these might WanNa do then then we've got skype. Sky Clad with fiddle solo, so there's GonNa be a lot of that. There's mention of harp player so there you go, so so there's a little bit of a clue of where this is going. So I just called it weird Solos. So essentially this is This is going to be a Non Guitar Solos. And some some cool things that happen over time that all, and all of these will have a different idea around them and allow us to go to a couple of places so okay, so let's get into our first one in this episode forty-nine Weird Solos History and five songs with Martin. popoff take a listen to this. This is black Sabbath with the wizard. All right, so I picked that obviously because we've got a harmonica as they say harp. Solo played by Ozzy. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Hearing hearing a little bit of harmonica in in black. Sabbath and you know this brought me back. I wanted to mention this one because this brought me back to You know this debate that I have quite often with You know people saying including Tonio me himself saying that Black Sabbath is a blues band and I don't find a lot of blues and Black Sabbath Anywhere you know obviously. They started as a blues band. We've talked about this before on the show. But but I keep forgetting and I wanted to play this here because I keep forgetting that one of the small little bits of proof or trace elements that they are somewhat a blues. Ban this idea of having this harmonica so this. This is pretty bluesy. Playing in here and and yes i. mean it counts as a as a Harmonica Solo I. Suppose in the wizard. One thing you know a lot of people know this, but I thought I mention this. One cool thing about the wizard is that bluish recalled cities on flame with rock and roll is is basically a lift of this song. To, Essentially, were a little bit jealous. That Warner Brothers had black Sabbath and Black Sabbath was blowing up and they wanted their own version of black Sabbath, so Albert in the boys essentially I. Believe this was an Albert idea, but the idea was well. If they want black, Sabbath will give them black Sabbath, and it's a little bit of an in joke. Joke kind of thing but you know that rift at at at at at at an Ed in a data down, and that thing is is essentially a lift of the wizard, and then of course bluish to call takes a whole different place anyways, but but I thought that was Kinda Funny Oh. You know one other thing I want to mention. On this black Sabbath one before I go on a on the evolution of these episodes. Is that I started looking for a man. Can I actually just even do a black Sabbath episode of Weird Solos and I didn't quite get to five. Maybe you guys can help me out, but You know I instantly started thinking of piano and I went and checked. You know driving driving a mail books yesterday. I, I was playing in the car rock and roll doctor because I knew that there was piano that that would be Jesuit Rough Cool Guy neat story there. He went on to play with Robert Plant, of course, but there's no real piano solo ended. It's more like just You know this barrel house piano. That kind of goes on in this one song, which again is one of the blues easiest Tsong-z Black Sabbath I. Think ever did rock and roll doctor, and then there's Rick Wakeman's playing in in Sabah. CADAVRE, basically the end of Sabir Cadavre, but again it's just sort of jamming along with Tony I wouldn't classify it as a piano solo one cool thing. You know that I. I did find her was reminded of a Tony. Does a True Blue Acoustic, Guitar Solo in in the Bill Ward Piano Slash Beatles type song. That bill were brought to technical ecstasy. It's all right so there's piano in that. But actually when you get to the to the solo section, it's actually Acoustic Guitar, which is a rare thing for Tony to do so please if someone wants to help me out and and tell me where there's perhaps a synthesizer solo I went and played Am I going insane thinking? There might be some a solo in here, but there really wasn't so if someone can find a sense, solo and anything else to to round that out to to Weird Solos in black Sabbath songs, a further drilling down this episode. Feel free. That would be cool Okay, so let's move on so yeah, so this is just called Weird Solos. This one is probably the least weird here, but I thought I'd mention it because it is kind of cool TAK-. Listen this is motorhead with stay clean. and. Okay, so there you go how we're. We're at the first really great motor head album, overkill, nineteen, seventy nine. I often posit this as the heaviest album of the nineteen seventies. I really truly think it is You know along with the likes of maybe Rainbow Rising or Or maybe even the Montrose album may be that I. Heavy load album also motorhead bomber. There's a little clutch albums that I consider the heaviest of the Seventies. Have we done that episode yet? I don't think we have that would be kind of a cool episode, anyways. What you just heard was a was a bass solo from Lemme now, that's not so strange. I mean basis sort of a guitar but but I like this because it's not a big solo like anesthesia pulling teeth. You know the the the cliff Burton, which precedes a song, and it's just totally Solo. This is Lemme playing along in a song playing a Bass Solo exactly like you would actually play a guitar. Solo I'm. I'm sure there's lots of other examples of Lemme doing Bass Solos but this is one of the most musical you know. When you listen to this, you kinda instantly recognize it. You know where the notes are going to go. It's a good musical solo that's incorporated into this song rather well, so that's why I wanted to play this so there you go weird Solo. It's not fast. Eddie Clarke on Guitar Lemme on Bass doing a solo This reminds me and stop me if you've heard the story before I mean I'm going to start repeating myself I'm sure in these episodes, but one of my favorite Bass Solos. Ever was. was the Pino Palladino Solo in David? Gilmour song a murder, which is from about face. I think it's nineteen eighty. But it's a cool fretless Bass Solo I had a base at the time I was in university in Victoria. I actually learned that on the base. It was so fun playing that but that's a beautiful beautiful basil I'm sure there's other Solos. All obviously all throughout all sorts of songs but yeah. I thought that was a cool one So there you go. That was motorhead. Stay clean. Let's take a short break. We'll be right back all right back again, POPOFF history and five songs with Martin. popoff this is episode forty nine. We're calling this weird Solos. This is one that was brought up by the The faithful facebook listeners take a listen to this. This is rush with losing it. All right. So what we have here is You know I I wanted to pick this. It's a very memorable solo. Rush. Fans love this Solo. They love this song. It's one of my favorite. Rush songs, even though it's a ballot, but it's a very very smart cool ballot. It's not cheesy, power, ballad, or anything losing it. It's just this really cool songs on my favorite rush. Album signals which is about You know artists losing their touch with age. There's a dancer in there. There's a writer in there. I think implicit is the idea of musicians You know so this is. This is basically what you get in. Here is an electric violin solo from Ben, mink. Ben mink is a is a well respected Canadian musician. He was in FM later on. He is a big collaborator with getty on his on his solo album. My favourite headache And he came back actually when rush pulled losing it you know back out of the bat back out of the dusty shelves played this song. Live on their on their sort of farewell situation. I believe it was twice. A Ben Mink came out, and actually played this live with them, and this is one of the magic magic moments for for rush. Fans rush concert goers is seeing Ben Mink reprise his role from losing. It so yeah, this is a really cool solo. It is electric violin and one of the things. I really like about it is. He basically sounds like Alex life's and he's got that same head space as Alex. Life Synon- here. It's a textural thing. It's a it's a slash and burn a delicate slash and burn. It's it's sort of a slashing angling. Can almost think of fly fishing when I hear this but basically He sounds a lot like Alexander, some dove tailing with Alex that goes on there. So. This was a cool thing to put into a song and it's violin which is Kinda cool? I. Don't know I haven't really thought about this, but it reminds me of what is it the music of air? which Mekong Delta had had a thing about and I think that's an old story, but I also think of Rome and fiddling as AS Roma Burns Niro, and all that so violent it. It strikes me I again. I suppose what it strikes me here is. This is another example of of making us ponder and an artist. You know perhaps losing his touch. Violin is one of those things that you know. Obviously you can play late into old age. You think of all the the massive. Classical history of violent, so that's kind of cool and yeah, just a reminder again at this juncture as brought up on the facebook page Sky, clad is a band that that used a lot of fiddle, and and then you know moving from fiddle to violin, because in Goth, everything serious. You've got my dying bride. were instrumental in bringing back the violin into heavy metal, so that was that was a that was kind of a gothic novelty, a touch, a a novelty touch that was put into a gothic doom band. This is you know the the whole paradise lost. My dying bride era, little bit of Cathedral but my dying bride is this slow Dumi me long songs, Goth band super super serious, and and they have violin in there. Know and around this time. It's it's funny. There was just there was also at least in Canada. There was a big revival in in Celtic. Music so violin was kind of in vogue around around this time. Not The rush losing at time I'm talking about the my dying bride time, so yeah, there was a lot of violin in the world. Around that time. Okay, so that was a that was ben mink again like I say he went on he he produced heart later. He's famous for his work with K. D. Lang. He's just a major super super You know mover and Shaker but but you know on the quiet, and all the musicians know him in Canada kind of thing so he's just a utilitarian just helping out Kinda Guy Guitarist as well. So, okay moving on. Number four will go a completely different place with this one take a listen to this this vie with touching tongues and. A All right so what you got. There was a voice solo from none other than Devin. Townsend this was a weird weird era. In Devon's life, he basically was a smooshed together with Steve. Vai Two mad. Scientists Duke it out. and they made this one record together called sex and religion. is a major label. Release was kind of a big deal I. Don't think it sold as well or was as big a deal as passionate warfare, but I. Basically, Consi-, like that was one of those big You know Guitar Hero albums you know for for the real The snobby musicologist guitar people passionate warfare, but it did quite well because it was a big era for that, but no this was. This was an album of essentially songs where where you know to. To. Big Talents were put together. I mean unknown. Talent Endeavour. A big talent that way, but he was just a kind of You know a a low key people realizing this guy was a bit of a musical genius. He was a very eccentric. This was a weird time in his life, but here he is working with Steve. Vai and they put together these these song full songs I mean this was essentially. A Steve is probably most utilitarian album that is more or less a solo album, although it's not a steve viable mets, it's the band called VI- but but. But but this is a bunch of songs. There's some humor on the album. There's some fast stuff, obviously some technical stuff. It's a very weird scotteri sound. They came up with a very distinct sound, but I love the album I wasn't a big fan of it to begin with but once I really got into Steve a little more and definitely a lot more into Devon through strapping young lad and whatnot to start things off. obviously Devon's a massive talent now and a and a big, well respected known guy But this album has a lot of fun stuff on it. And obviously this is one of the one of the really fun moments where where he basically sings something that sounds like a verse but but none of those things are actual words, so it basically comes out as vocal soul and I and I can't remember I I didn't finish my research on this, but I think doesn't doesn't what's his name And Anthony Keith Right. That's his name. from red. Hot Chili Peppers, doesn't he? Actually do a something like this where he just vocalise, and it's not real words at some point, but but this one really comes office more of a Solo, and then of course when you go down this road, you think of someone like Mike Patton and fantomas with his crazy crazy. Crazy yelping vocal. He's basically vocal as as a weird instrument, essentially is what I he he did in the FANTOMAS and he caught a lot of. He got a lot of notoriety for that. That was kind of a really cool ban. I saw them live. Once I was unbelievable. It was a very very odd I believe. That was at the the operas here in Toronto Okay. So. Moving on okay, no, I just wanted to mention before we leave that, so that band VI- so it was Steve Vai Devin. Townsend Terry Buzzy on drums. One of my favorite drummers, one of the greatest trump souls I ever saw was him playing with UK here in Toronto and T. M. Stevens on bass, so it was just a powerhouse powerhouse band of like almost like you know four of the greatest greatest talents that you could. You could get on their respective instruments, although Devon was was a singer on this I you know it's hard to say Devon is the greatest vocalist in the world. He's just the greatest all around. You know a guy who can make full albums on his own but yeah. Just this weird supergroup band that that burned out quick could only do this for one album sort of thing okay. So, moving on we are at number five in our history and five songs. With Martin, popoff Weird Solos This is the Best I've left you the best for last listen to this. This is the bears with aches and pains. All right so I love this Solo I've always loved the Solo. I wanted to I almost put it into our Best Guitar Solos. Episode, but when I played back, played it back I realized very little of it is Guitar Guitar comes in at the end. I still love it. It's still a great, great, little little lick of a solo in there. But no Adrian. Blue is one of my favorite artists of all time across all genres and this album, rise and shine, which is the second bears album they four to back in the eighties close together. This is eighty eighty six. I believe eighty-five the other on something like that, so so the the first two, the first ones just a self titled And then they make this one rise and shine, which is an unbelievable drop dead classic start to finish. It is so good, and then they made a couple later I think it's a car caught fire and Eureka, and then that's it so this is Adrian going back to to Cleveland and working with his buddies from Ohio. and I saw them live in Toronto at the Phoenix. It was So-so, good back in probably right around here eighty seven eighty eight great great band, and I'm embarrassed to say I mean when this this cool solo which throws. The kitchen sink at it in terms of Weird Solos when it does break into Qatar. I don't even know if that is Adrienne or the other guitarist in the band rob fetters. I mean it doesn't sound a lot like Adrian blue, so I imagine this one might be a rob fetters taking a solo, but they had the to. Those two guitars and vocals in the band Bob Nuys longer on Bass Chris. Do Sir on drums But yeah, check out this album again. This is one of my joys of doing. This podcast is turning people on a music. They might oughta known, but did you hear that drumming and that rhythm section when that in that area theory solo kicks in after the jokey bit you know, but but I mean. Is there a better solo to to illustrate this concept for this episode? Weird Solos I don't think so so I. I had to pick that even though again. We're stepping out of our little hard rock world there aren't we Okay so, that's our five. And I wanted to mention a couple of honorable mentions that I wanted to squeeze into this, but because it's a, it's a five Song format. I couldn't put them in, but go check them out. these ones I, even went so far as to as to pick where they are in the songs I'm going to tell you that to be helpful and you can go check it out so my first honorable mention was Tesla with Edison's medicine at two thirty to fifty four. You get a fair in Solo which goes into Guitar Solo. That's really Kinda cool. This is Franken Frank. Hannon's a cool Kinda hippie dude, anyways He's a great guy But basically the cool thing about putting Thera- men in Edison's medicine. Is it sort of this experimental electronic instrument? Jimmy page uses therapy as well I think it's no quarter, perhaps but anyways. It's this cool kind of rudimentary Pro predecessor to a synthesizer, and and it's cool using in the song because this is the song that is sort of you know the song that is about the The controversy about who invented electricity was Nikolai. Test Letter was at Thomas Edison kind of thing, and and so it's it's like you know using a Thurman as a solo instrument is almost like a metaphor for the story. So that's kind of cool so so you get a Thurman Solo that breaks into a guitar solo at believe for the second half of what I just mentioned there to thirty to fifty four. So that's cool, and of course another one. How can we forget good old jackal with the lumberjack so at one thirty to one fifty, nine of the lumberjack off of the debut album There is a chainsaw Solo. You know chainsaws, their big novelty thing so basically and we you know I mean Jackal. I remember seeing Jack Alive backing up aerosmith at the Skydome which is now the Rogers Centre and I think they had the bowl configuration. They were backing up aerosmith and You know They cut up a stool onstage, so that was Kinda cool with with the chainsaw, but obviously in the lumberjack you get a full-blown chainsaw Solo which reminds me of that a little bit of that that drill thing you get at the beginning of pound cake where Eddie. Eddie van Halen applies to to his guitar I think he takes out an electric drill and and plays it along the strings to start pound cake before Alex comes in with that thundering heroic drumming on that on that one. So. Yeah, so as mentioned as well I. I didn't pick up the timing of these in this more of a general discussion, but also mentioned when Joe brought up a doing this episode. Thank you, Joe Again You know you've got the ACDC bagpipes by Bon Scott in in. It's a long way to the top, but it's not really a solo. It's more of a used as textual instrument and a bit of a novelty thing again. You've got Kansas Robby Steinhardt. You've got all this You've got all this violin across across You know many of their songs. One, when that I, just sort of thought of the top of my head that that kind of fits this thing, but was a little, too. Is the the Saxophone Solo in foreigner's urgent That's a big famous one that everybody always thinks about all the time with those really super high notes that get hit in that one. And one other kind of funny one, I wanted to mention that just dawned on me before I, basically turn the MIC on was. Think of I think of biff talking in in Denim and leather. about you know. He starts bringing up the instruments. Saying. Maybe you want to learn the drums. Learn the base and they do one of those guys semi cheesy things of when he says drums reserves drum wax, and then when he says Bass. There's a little bit of base in there, so I thought that was Kinda. Cool that here we are you know pointing out the instruments in there and they're doing this stuff so. So there. You go that that is our episode. That is our fun episode I thought on on Weird Solos. You can check us out of course on the facebook page for us. history and five songs with Martin Popoff facebook and go to the regular facebook page I also have the public person page there and you can go to Martin. POPOFF DOT COM for all your book needs. If you feel you need anymore. My books recently. There's been quite a lot of activity in sending Outta anthem Russian the seventies ister cult, a visual history and and today I was working. Working on the final edits faithful listener Augusta has been helping me with this on a copy edit I'm finishing up empire. The clouds iron, being in the two thousands I just added this morning. the matter life or death chapter, moving onto primal rock, rebellion and British Lion, so I'm two thirds through that I saw the cover design. 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Be it Resolved: We Are Making High-Stakes Decisions About the COVID-19 Pandemic Without Reliable Data

The Munk Debates

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Be it Resolved: We Are Making High-Stakes Decisions About the COVID-19 Pandemic Without Reliable Data

"It's time to this. Toxic Binary zero-sum Matt Stone. We're not an imperial power. Where Revolutionary Power? We are no longer in a world where you can plot out moods statesman. Two States land like a chessboard. You don't know anything about my background where I came from. It doesn't matter to you because fundamentally on a mean white man we can't do this to the next generation because a miracle will cease to exist. Welcome to the munk debates podcast every episode we provide you with a civil and substantive debate on the big issues of the day. Brief spin focused on the facts and animated by smart conversation to arm. You the listener with enough information to make up your own mind. Today's debate be it resolved. We are making high stakes decisions without reliable data on Kobe. Nineteen country wasn't built to be. Shut down this is not a country that was built for this. America will again and soon be open for business a lot sooner than three or four months and somebody was suggesting. Hello I'm your moderator. Rudyard GRIFFITHS WELL KOVIC. Nineteen is spreading across the globe enforcing entire countries to implement lockdowns and strict sel distancing measures. Hundreds of millions of people are now confined to their homes and the global economy. Looks like it's heading into a deep recession. Some scientists believe that national governments are taking drastic actions with insufficient testing an incomplete demographic models possibly overestimating the threat cove in nineteen poses to public health. Others disagree the only way to stop the pandemic to enforce large-scale society wide lockdowns in social controls. All the information collected so far shows that Cova nineteen is an extremely dangerous virus that requires a commensurate response. Here's Dr Anthony Fauci. Us Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. What I like to see is when people look at what we're doing and say you're overreacting. The dynamics of the history of outbreaks. Is You never wear you think you are if you think you're in line with the outbreak? You're already three weeks behind on this installment of the Munk debates podcast. We challenge the essence of these arguments by debating. The motion be it resolved. We're making high stakes decisions about cove. Nineteen without reliable data arguing for the motion Stanford epidemiologist. John I need us. Arguing against the motion is the dean of Yale's School of public policy and health. Stand Vermont Johnston. Welcome to the monk. Debate podcast thank you for the kind invitation or pleasure. It's great to have you both here and an opportunity to have a conversation about an important issue. We've decided today to frame that issue in the context of motion. We both discussed this with you extensively before our conversation today. That motion is be it resolved. We're making high stakes decisions about the cove in nineteen pandemic without reliable data. John we're going to ask you to speak first. You're arguing in favor of the motion we're GONNA put two minutes or so on our proverbial clock and pass the microphone over to you. Look forward to your opening remarks covet. Nineteen is a serious threat. There's no doubt about God. We need to understand how serious it is and what is the best way to deal with it. At the moment where throwing extremely severe measures trying to do something however we have very little evidence base on how to guide our next steps. We really don't know where we are where we are heading and whether our measures are effective or we need to modify them and change them. There's a possibility that many of our aggressive measures could be doing more harm than good and especially if they are to be maintained. Long-term the consequences in terms of lives lost as well as major disruption to the economy. The society to our civilization at large is really very very real. I think at this juncture. We need to act swiftly at the same time we need to have equally swiftly to collect unbiased data data that will tell us how many people are infected. What is the chance that someone is infected? Eventually we'll have a serious outcome and die. How is the epidemic evolving in different settings and places around the world? And what difference are we making with the measures that were taking? It can make a huge difference and there's a lot that can go wrong if we don't get it writes in terms of having the right information. Thank you John Set Up Your point of view succinctly and I appreciate that so Stan Vermont to turn it over to you. Let's get your opening statement on our motion are the Howard kind of framing this discussion. You're opposed to it and that resolution is be it resolved we're making high stakes decisions about covert nineteen without reliable data. Think it's a matter of perspective I've eight. John and I would agree that we need more data. The data that we have available is suboptimal but that is to be expected when in November of last year krona virus this particular novel Krona Virus had not entered humans and we had no information. We learned almost nothing about it in December When when there was the denial on the Arctic Public Health Officials China and only in January information start to emerge at the time We had Wuhan China data. That suggested that over thirty percent of samples admittedly small samples were infected with the virus and We don't see population saturation through casual restaurant. Transmission very often flu often peaks a ten to twenty percent of the population as do other common respiratory viruses. Measles is more thorough. That's the super transmitter. So we knew we were much much less than measles but but at least as bad as flu and perhaps worse and there really is only one comparison in the last hundred years where we had thirty percents of forty percent penetration and that's the nineteen eight thousand nine hundred nineteen points at them. No mortality rates were very very high from south pandemic because if free day it modern medical practice a we didn't have antibiotics or actual super infection. We didn't have ventilators to keep people alive. You really can't compare Two Thousand and nine thousand nine hundred thousand twenty worth nineteen eight thousand nine hundred nights but in terms of transmission dynamics. That's the one that reminds us and we do have now. The China and Korea experiences the lockdown of the Greater Wuhan area and the greater area and the social distancing practiced in much of the rest the country's in China in particular delays extend in in Korea which uses light is somewhat different strategy of widespread testing. And then we have. The negative examples in both of those fanatics are declining rapidly in China Korea but then we have Lombardy region Italy and much of Spain where the intervention is simply too late or too undisciplined. So I think we know enough to respond to this particular pandemic. We're we know we're unprepared and do not have the capacity events later proud city or personal protective equipment p. e. capacity that. We need to respond so that we know. And we also know that broad based social distancing hygiene travel restrictions on testing an isolation hospital based control all has been beneficial in China and Korea. What we don't know is whether this model that the number of people promulgating to simply wall off the elderly in the Voeller Bowl do a very short term shutdown to try to minimize transmission. And then let everybody. Who's less vulnerable? Go back to work whether that will work. We have no clue. It's not been a tried and it's not seeded. My Metaphor is that we're in a California wildfire that a family Vulnerable family has decided to stay with a fire hose. Check their fire. Will they save themselves as some do or will they be immolated by the overwhelming bird wildfire? I think that it's easier in fact to have the harsh medicine of national social distancing strategy to protect the vulnerable to blunt the impact on the health system than it is to take a chance on proven strategy. Thank you stand so John as we discussed at the outset of the show. We're going to both of you an opportunity to kind of react to what you've just heard from each other so let me ask you to kind of respond to what you've heard from a stand in his his opening comments. I agree with standard This has been an acute situation at the same time. Collecting reliable data should not take time and should not really put a halt to our decision making an acting fast getting information on a representative sample so the population is very easy. It hasn't been done in some settings. For example it has been done in Iceland where they have a cohort covering pretty much the national population looking at the samples that have been provided. They see that they have an infection rate of one percent. And until now that we're talking only two people have died. This means about thirty five hundred people in Iceland being infected in two deaths which corresponds to an infection fatality rate which is lower than the common flu. Of course some people may be infected later but nevertheless these estimates that would be very very different compared to the original claims of a case fatality rates of three point. Four percent that were circulated and that really caused horror and obviously this is justified to be here. Three point four percent at the same time we have other pieces of evidence that that indeed the number of people who are infected his much larger compared to the number of cases. We have documented in many places actually most places with few exceptions around the world where justice people who have substantial symptoms who have come to healthcare and seek help or even to be hospitalized. These are just the tip of the iceberg. The Iceland experience in other other data from vo in Italy where the entire city population was tested showed that the vast majority of people are either completely asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic in ways that you would not be able to differentiate from common cold or common flu. It makes a huge difference while we are proceeding with aggressive measures of social distancing and lockdowns that may have tremendous repercussions especially in the long term to know whether populations are infected at one percent level ten percent level twenty percent level or who knows the solution to the problem is very different. It could be that. We need to continue with lockdown. But it's very likely that very quickly. We would need to abandon blind lockdown and focused on protecting the lives of those who are susceptible which we know very clearly are the elderly and those who have severe underlying diseases and at the same time allow people who are at very low risk and or have been already infected and have mounted an immune response to return back to normal life and not destroy our planet and our civilization. Thank you John. So Stan Opportunity for you just to react here to work you've heard from. John will the risk of having a debate between two scientists is that they might end up agreeing. I agree completely with John. That the absence of Austral- scale testing capacity is severely constraining our ability to have a more targeted response to this epidemic. In our country we were very late to commercialization and availability of a an FDA approved test We were several months after. China was testing at especially Korea where Koreans had a very aggressive testing strategy. And they were able to do a much more targeted lockdown if you will and so they knew where disease was emerging and where it wasn't emerging. They did not have to shut down their society in place. This was not emerge and the trouble here. Is that without available testing at any kind of scale. I'm an infectious disease allergist. I've been doing this since the early nineteen eighties. And I've never been so constrained in my ability to provide policy guides to a my region or my country or might world because I've generally had tools in honestly I almost feel like I felt in pre nineteen eighty five with the HIV epidemic. Where we did not have a test until eighty five and it was four years of infrared. Chal interpretation that happily the epidemiology was crystal clear. We're able to make early advisories about high risk sexual behavior but look what happened. Catastrophically to the blood banking industry where they continued to use contaminated blood because of lack of of a test and lack of willingness to use the opening logic. Eight on the Higher Risk. Individuals were restrict blood transmission. So I almost feel like I felt back then. Today I cannot Launch a major survey of the city of new haven or parts of the state of Connecticut. Where I live which do are not suffering much illness to know whether the viruses enter not enter those areas. So we have the governor telling the entire state the lockdown at it certainly is a reflection of the absence of of nation. It's highly plausible that the strategy in Wyoming might be different for the strategy in New York City. The strategy in rural America might differ from Urban America in the absence of widespread tests. Since we do not have it available. I can't take a magic wand and make it available other than advocate that our federal resources go into this intensive Intensively in the absence of that the more conservative approach when we know that viruses entered the community knowing how what a wildfire spread it could be and knowing how overwhelming it will be on our whole system is to do this for radical approach. You're listening to the munk debates. Podcasts BE RESOLVED WE are making high stakes decisions without reliable data on cove in nineteen speaking for the motion is John. Anita's epidemiologist at Stanford. University arguing against the motion is Denver mid dean of the Yale School of Public Health. Well let's get into our our conversation. I want to try to put my self in Income Service of the audience listening in in John. Maybe just to start with you. Kind of zero in on this word. phrase reliable data. That's in our motion. Today be resolved. We'RE MAKING HIGH STAKES DECISIONS ABOUT COVA. Nineteen without reliable. Data is the the average person right or not in looking at the reports on the infectiousness of the disease. The so called are not number and looking at the fatality rate and across a variety of different countries and seeing the both of those variables are significantly higher than the standard flu. Which in the United States kills tens of thousands of two seventy eighty thousand people a year and therefore you know our response or reaction to coveted is reasonable based on. This high are not numbered. The infectiousness and the much more substantial lethality of this virus vis-a-vis the flu the data on lethality of the virus That are circulating are extremely exaggerated. They pretty much pertain. To the cases that come to our attention and by definition these are cases that have more severe symptoms far more severe symptoms compared to the average person being infected which based on the Iceland Information and other similar pieces of data probably never realized that they have a problem they are either completely symptomatic or have very mild symptoms that they don't pay attention to clearly. We know that the infection fatality rate is much lower compared to people in four or any other similar numbers that have been circulating. Are The exactly the same or lower than the the seasonal flu? We don't know that we certainly could be a bit higher. It could well be and the only way to find out is to really get these random representative samples To be able to have a fair assessment of how many people eventually die among those who are infected. I wouldn't be surprised if that number is very close to seasonal flu. I cannot exclude the possibility that it is a bit higher Or even a bit lower in terms of how many people are are going to be infected. We have to be very careful about the extrapolations using the are the basic reproductive number based on the early courses of an epidemic the figures that have been released and most of those have now been peer reviewed range tremendously from one point. Three to six point. Five one point three is exactly the same season on Ferenza. Six point. Five is amazing contagious. We need to have a more complete picture of the epidemic before we can understand how many people eventually will be infected and I suspect much like what happens in many other epidemics. It's not going to be the same infectious density across all locations. It's it's possible that some cities may have a very large share of people being infected and others are hops rural locations or even whole cities will have very low rates eventually people being infected in the case of Italy. Which is the one plastic disaster? That one is talking about. We know that Bergamo which is the city that was most hit among any other city by far at about the time that the virus recirculating there was Champions League match where one third of the population went and then continued celebrations dancing and and embracing and kissing each other until late after midnight. We don't have this type of situation happening in every single city around the world and it makes a huge difference to compare a setting where an entire city is embracing and kissing which is obviously not the thing to do at the moment versus say that we're freezing every single citizen in place for weeks and months if if not a year according to some estimates. Thank you John. So Stan maybe you could give your thoughts on both the lethality and the are not number. I mean do you share John's view that this may end up having a fatality rate at or below that of the common flu I do not if one looks at more. Comprehensive Data for on one does see an indication an of a saturation of the population at a higher rate than is typically seen with influenza. Now that doesn't mean it's more infectious than influenza because there is no cross wreck immunity that is protecting somebody from the krona virus. The way that some people will gain some sustained just just on on the basis of the lay person listening cross infection. Can you just explain that? Immunity broths REAC. Immunity is something that occurs if for example. I was immunized with a strain of that particular flu season but the flu. That actually circulated wasn't quite the same strain but I do gain some benefit because the immunity that I- mounting again the flu virus even though it's not the rights strain is harshly protective or. Perhaps I had flu two years ago and I still have some recognition of flu antigens the strain that's circulating is different from that of two years ago but I get a little bit partial protection. We don't have that with krona virus because it wasn't in human beings before November of twenty nineteen and nobody has any immunity of any sort to krona virus so that probably explains why the best estimates are models are that it is at least as infectious or more infectious than flu. Similarly are death rate Ada. I agree completely with John. That The W. H. O. S. Two No three points. Four is based on a false denominator. So what I mean by numerator. How many people died denominator? How many people were tested? And when you don't have a representative sample of the population tested then all you know is the sick. People were tested. So that's a very artificial dominators. Then you have to say of the sick people. Three point four percent died not of the infected people. Three point four percent of people died. That would be a false statement. The better estimates are probably in the point. Seven to one percent range That's half of what the American or charity rate. Statistics are about one point. Three percents so probably somewhere in the half of that about point seven percent. That's still seven times greater than annual flu or challenge which is about one thousand so i. I don't think there's any way that we can say that. The mortality of Corona virus is going to be less than annual flu. I think we have enough data to say that it's going to be higher and higher by a factor of five to seven to ten full so I do think that we're in a bind and I think we're up against something where we're going to be filling the hospitals in the ICU. Beds as we are in New York. Thanks John John. Is there any interesting apples to apples? Data when we start looking at hospitalized cases so when the the denominator isn't the known unknown of how many people are infected or not in the population. But what happens? When somebody is hospitalized. And the fatality rates that emerged from hospitalization due to Cova versus hospitalization. Due to the flu. It seems that covert is having higher percentages in terms of ICU. Ventilator Intervention. Is that a reliable piece of data for public policy makers to focus on and make decisions regarding the hospitalization data is clearly interesting and we should pay heed to them. But I don't think that they tell the full picture. And actually they can mislead substantially what we know is that SARS coke to does tend to affect specific types of individuals so it has a very steep age. Gradient Influenza does have an age graded as well but for covered nineteen even steeper and it also affects people who have severe underlying diseases like chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or others and. This means that it's very difficult to to get a one to one. Comparison influenced for example. Kills many many children. We don't see really us in children less than ten years old and and we'll see extremely few severe cases in young individuals in the absence of underlying disease while we do see it quite a bit quite a lot with with influenza so the comparison is very difficult to make and I think that what it points to might be that a solution where we really try to use draconian measures to protect those individuals who are at high risk may actually work. We just don't know because we don't know what is the exact proportion of the people infected as we discussed before we don't know because we don't know exactly what is the overall infection rate and here. We do disagree. A bit with the With Stan I think it is lower. I agreed maybe higher than influenza my bed. If I had to throw a number would be point. Three percent like three four fold compared to influenza or point two percent which is to fall but again we don't have data to inform us. I think that we need to get that data and unless we do that. We're just speculating. Where using medieval public health. Just close the door and stay in your house. Yes we have to do it because we don't know but that's not twenty-first-century medicine public health. These tests have been available for decades. Both be CR and serology which should be able to get them. We will know if we get even small samples. Been re-presented samples whether we can't compare apples to oranges or it's completely similar or dissimilar. It could be either way stand you see any other reliable data just talked about hospitalization of flu versus. Cova versus other illnesses. Are there other sets of data that you have higher conviction around that surfaced as a result of different countries now dealing with this pernicious infection excellent question? These data are flooring in at rates that people like John and myself are spending a lot of our time. Trying to digest. I thought I might give a microcosm comparison. These are not affinity and these are not going to satisfy any of us on the debate stage but yesterday in the Yale newhaven hospital. Where ice locales is adjacent. We had thirty nine hospitalized Kobe nations. Today we had sixty eight so it was up about seventy percent and of these sixty eight patients thirty eight or in the ICU. And thirty two of the people in the ice. You are on ventilators. Three days ago there were seven people on Bentley's if you go to the small much smaller Greenwich Hospital near New York City. They actually have forty five patients on the leaves. We never see this in flu season. We have not even seen this in hand H One n one two thousand nine and flu so you literally for these sorts of numbers have to go back to the Twentieth Century Early Twentieth Century. To See something that is that is this severe and filling up the beds with such a radically ill and sometimes borderline lethal patients now. We hope we won't lose these patients but the father of one. My work colleagues at the School of Public Health died on a virus. I think it was yesterday so we are seeing the Lee Valley. Even with the best medical care that can be provide of planet and every year we have people who die of influence others question about that but the surge of patients requiring gentler. Torey assistance is on press. Thank You Stone. My condolences to your front of the loss. I think there will be only many in the days to come so John. Any reaction to that that that we're seeing some some characteristic in this disease that is especially burdensome for hospitals and for the healthcare system and therefore the reliability. The data needs to be kind of juxtaposed against the reality of the disease progression and how the disease affects Healthcare system and seemingly its capacity to overwhelm that system in a way. Maybe that the flu wouldn't so I think I would agree with stand that in terms of the burden that this epidemic and paused 'cause to hospitals We need to be very cautious and we need to prepare and be ready for the worst Preparedness for dealing with it at the hospital level is clearly indicated. There's no doubt about that but it is very different to take measures to boost your ability to take care of a sick people in a short period of time to increase your capacity for ICU. Beds for ventilators for equipment for for resources to plan in very limited time unfortunately in many places with hospitals that don't have resources to plan for your best response in an epidemic wave. That is coming. I have a hundred percent agreement on that point but this is not necessarily something that you can extrapolate to what you need to do for the entire population and the measures that you need to take the entire population. The comparison against nineteen eighteen. I think is is very flawed People who died in one thousand nine hundred eighteen about forty million perhaps even fifty million on average their age of death was twenty eight years old people who die with SARS Cov to the data from Italy show an average age of eighty years old and ninety nine percent of these people have other underlying pathologies. Have One two three or more other reasons. They could be dying actually talking with people who are leaving Italian response. They really get perplexed. On how many of these people really died from SARS COV to versus with Sasco to meaning that in infested environment where they got overwhelmed with lots of cases coming in and getting even to the point of having Nossa Kolmya infection having three thousand of their physicians? Medical personnel being infected. Many people who were in that hospital environment would be colonized with SARS COV to. It's a very different situation. Compared to influenza in nineteen eighteen the same number of deaths but vastly different age profile corresponding to even in the worst scenario one tenth of the quality adjusted life years for SARS Cov to compared to influence nine hundred eighteen. If you adjust further for the size of the population you need to adjust for an extra five. Fold if you take more. Conservative estimates of fade the case fatality as we are describing and debating it could be even less so clearly we need to act swiftly and protect our hospitals and prepare for the worst but this is one aspect of our response and we need to do our best and the second component is. What do we do at the population level? What do we do with a single person who is at high risk based on what we know versus what we do for the large majority of people who are at no risk very low risk stand? Do you have any other comments on this? This comparison or the analog of nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen. The only comparison I was trying to make was the magnitude of the saturation of the population with the virus. Think that the ability for this virus to a surge in population in just a matter of weeks and in fact thirty forty percent of that population that is very different and is more reminiscent of that especially infectious flu of nineteen eighteen. Nineteen ninety nine said earlier. That you can't compare the immortality data lineup comments on the age. Specity which is very different. John Correctly noted so. I don't want to overstate comparison. But if we're looking at history we don't have anything that spreads as fast as Rona virus. Unless you go back to that era and we don't have anything that is Filling are a few beds and demanding inflators or anything in recent memory. So what? I'm comparing to with a one thousand nine hundred ninety nine hundred. Am I accept John's points that there are many many differences between the two for one thing? They're completely different. Viruses one is influenza virus and they Have different credibly for age groups and the like but. I knew that John was correct when he said we don't have much choice but to do this present time. I feel that as the data are surging weekend make modifications public policy. I would like a small business owners of the manufacturers of America to get back where at like the tourism and hotel and travel industries. To get back I go walk in my small town urine genetic it and it looks like small business apocalypse. The only places I see. Open our our places that can do checkups food and our groceries. I mean it breaks my heart on the other hand if we had not instituted a broad based social distancing if we had not shut things down. I think that my hospital be much much worse shape. I think we'd be seeing mortality rates search and I think we would be in much worse condition. I am all for gathering more information just to validate on John's points. When you look at the total testing statistics in the city of New Haven we've done a paltry eighteen hundred tests and the test frequency Positivity rate is eight percents and John knows and I know and I hope all your listeners know that that is not possible. We're missing all of the a symptomatic and mile lease matic cases. We haven't even encouraged people to get testing if they think corona virus we've encouraged them to stay home and only come in to get testing. If if they're very ill so we are working from no coherent epochal epidemiologic playbook here and I'm as enthusiast. John has to ramp up our testing empower. Our health workers are public health workers to get the kinds of data that can help us truly track the epidemic rather than just track the sickest among us. So when asked a question to you to you both? And it's a kind of professional question which is in America. The world knew that a pandemic was a real and possible threat. We've known this for for years. Sars was a a scarring lesson that so why John Are we in the middle of a pandemic get. We have no kind of mass survey type testing capacity. Or how do we end up in that situation kind of driving with the front windshield blackened out In terms of the policy response. I think this unfortunate and it goes back to long term planning and It has been a perpetual problem. You know emphasis on public health. Unfortunately both in this country and in most places around the world is very limited because You don't think about it's until you see some acute situations like the one that we have at the moment. I think if things get control this may be a positive lesson for the future that we need more preparedness for public health that we need to invest more on public health. Maybe we can learn net lessons also about helping public health to solve other problems that they can be solved. If we had the manpower and the commitment we're still facing for example at chronic epidemic of smoking. That is not going away in most places around the world and public. Health is completely outnumbered against the propaganda of tobacco industry's even though we're talking about ten million people dying from smoking every single year if we had a world dominator of people dying from smoking which would include actually most people dying with corona virus because it hits preferentially people were smoking has damaged their lungs or their heart or were their health and total. We would really be stunt and I think we need to get that opportunity to think how we can learn about investing more in public health in giving it their resources that are required to do. Its job and to really keep us healthy. You're listening to the debates. Podcast be resolved. We are making high stakes decisions without reliable data on Kobe. Nineteen if you're enjoying this podcast review us on itunes. We also welcome your ideas for debates an debaters to feature on this podcast. Email us at podcast at MUNK DEBATES DOT COM. Thank you for helping us. Bring back the art of Public Debate. One conversation at a time now back to the episode. We'll stand your the dean of Yale School of Public Health so you have a An important national role I mean. How did America end up in this situation? Not just with the testing capacity but seemingly a botched rollout the lack of personal protective gear. The lack of masks it all just kind of it's bewildering that in the face of what is a kind of known unknown threat that currently the public health response seemed so. I'm not saying unprepared on the part of the professionals but the resourcing of the response seems chronically. Unprepared as Jones said there has been an unremitting drumbeat of warning that has come from the public health community on pandemic preparedness. We have a burgeoning human population when I was born in the nineteen fifties. There were two point. Four billion people on Earth. Now they're seven point seven billion people. We are crowding rainforest we are putting our natural habitats and we're seeing a steady stream of what we call zoonotic diseases that simply means of disease it was the whole to To a man or a woman so lease Zonada. Diseases are a steady diet if you will for the human race and they are not adapted to humans some of them are highly lethal but optically infectious. Imola virus did fall in that category We can't we know how to preventable virus and we know when it's most attractions and we can control it. And to spite this we have outbreaks in Liberia Sierra Leone Guinea. And we've had more reason efforts Tondo but we're better for P. aired rable of these diseases are especially Benchley. Lethal aid are more likely to jump continents. Which has trouble doing? They're more likely be chashma transmitted on airplane cruise ship or at a at a soccer match as John pointed out or dinner party which was written up in the New York Times occurring here in Connecticut which seems to have fuelled are epidemic and The reality is that we elect our representatives every two years and What they voters are asking them. As what have you done for me in the last year and I would love for the American voter to start asking. What have you done to protect my children? Might what have you done for The epidemic that is looming related to. I'm a change. What about the obesity diabetes epidemic which is a public health community up against cuts in school budgets? That wipe out gymnastics programs and and recess. Daddy it pressures of the shooter and processed food and soft drink Guinness Three. We have a lot of local threats in public. Al That are emerging from a lack of tentativeness to prevent were addicted to treatments will redeploy Tesla. Gm and Ford in anybody else to make more events leaders but we won't make the kinds of investments injured chronic virus vaccine that we could have made in two thousand three hundred thousand four when we already had the warning sign in front of ours. So I think that if this is a wakeup call it's a wake up call to prevent? All of our grandmothers told us in our mothers told us that a nounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and we call. That decision announced his modeling and John. You need us as an expert wax eloquent office until the morning so finally before we go closing statements. I'd like your advice to policymakers respectively. There's probably more than a few listening to us right now. So John What would you say to a state governor to a provincial premier to mayor of a city? What advice do you have for them right now? In this crisis I think that the number one. They should be home and they should try to to do their best in terms of preparing a hospitals in their jurisdiction to face What might be an epidemic wave that we don't know how many hospitals might be overwhelmed at the same time they should do their best to minimize exposure to the virus and at the same time. Some unbiased information on what is the status of the infection rate and therefore also of the infection fatality rate? Because this will be a game changer. In terms of What are the indicated measures that we will follow in a week from now or two weeks from now? I think that they should also take the opportunity to think what that means for their long-term planning as Stan said you know. There's so much at stake with the public health being undervalued that there's an opportunity to make a strong case about being better prepared so John just to be clear. Would you recommend to mayors and governors and premiers and presidents that the current tight controls around social isolation lockdown in some states and provinces? Continue until we have that data or is this something that can be adjusted based on information as it comes it. Personally I'm in shelter in place Situation Right now so. I am Adjoining you from from my home. And I'm perfectly happy to stay in in that situation for the next week or two but this is enough time to collect the type of information that we have been discussing about depending on that. What that information is it may. Well be that. The strategy needs to be readjusted more surgically more accurately to find ways to clearly protect the are high risk individuals at the same time the able to mobilize the rest of the community and not continue just blindly shutting everything down. We just need these data. We can get these data. They're easy to get We do have that week or two to inform ourselves and Mak- The best decisions and John. Do you know if the CDC is doing this or other university networks Do you know if this kind of survey data is being collected now. There are several players who are active in this field. I'm working with with a number of them and I'm sure that there's others who do that. without even me knowing it and I'm optimistic that we will have some better information about that denominator of how many people are infected which can make a huge difference in so many ways will grated. Stan what would your advice. To policymakers be right now. I mean there's an increasing debate going on between what's happening to the economy and the damage has been caused results of shelter in place of lockdowns and some pressure on the part of the business community and others to loosen up those lockdowns reliable data or not. I believe that if we had better data to track the true epidemic curve week who open up venues quicker and more effectively. I agree with that. For example if we see a sweep through community with reasonably reliable data and we'd see that community is no longer experiencing the magnitude of transmission. One could start opening up a segments Especially if on good test people and everyone in a workplace was negative and everyone in their household was negative. You could have islands of documented uninfected persons who would be congregated. App could work. But I'm afraid worse a number weeks away. We still don't have the testing capacity in new Haven Connecticut home of Yale University Fairly Sophisticated state health are. We simply don't have the test kit so it may take a while at navy any weeks before we're capacity with what we should've admirable a month or two ago. I should say that there are aside issues here. The lack of universal health insurance coverage is unadvisable for any modern society. There should never be anybody trying to avoid going for healthcare because they're afraid of a bill and that's how you get people circulating in the underbelly of society and being an artist of infection rather than getting the healthcare they need those for undocumented individuals as well I think we need adequate infrastructure and work force capacitation of state health departments. They've been slashed to the bone. We have rising trends in sexually transmitted infections in the United States because held apprentice cops in some venues. They're struggling with basic services in in public health epidemiologic tracking and I also think it's very revealing that the administration wants to cut the CDC NIH budgets every year Congress stood up to the administration but what kind of insight is to slash our public health infrastructure and our biomedical research infrastructure in this country when we desperately therapies when we desperately need vaccine so if there is a lesson to be learned. I agree with John. We'd considerably more data than we have. Now I am less optimistic than he is about our ability to lift the social distancing next few weeks I think lifting social distancing by Easter is predictably. Not Going to happen and if it does happen I think unleash considerably. More efficient. That were able to John. Is Your feeling too that lifting social distancing by Easter is not advisable in the absence of reliable data? And it certainly doesn't look like you would have reliable data on a national scale by. Then would you well if that question Is Very difficult to answer. and what? I worry is that we ended up in the same condition several weeks or even months down the road without having The type of data that would inform us to to take the next step one might say better be safe than sorry but I. I want to be more optimistic. That the If not nationwide at least I hope we will have some representative data that cover substantial ground and maybe even more information internationally that would allow us to pinpoint in in more accuracy. At what type of a beast we're dealing with. I cannot promise about what will happen by Easter because then I become an expert that trying to make predictions without data. This is exactly what the I don't want us to do. What I'm arguing is that. We need to move swiftly to get these data so that we have less of a blind experts in more of twenty-first-century science. I fully agree with Stan. We need more emphasis on preparedness on getting funds for Public Health for for medicine for research for for all of that and now is the time to get this type of information that we need so desperately and to do our best. I think we can do our best. We should do our best. You're listening to the Munk. Debates podcasts veer resolved we are making high stakes decisions without reliable data on cove in. Nineteen speaking for the motion. Is John Anita's epidemiologist at Stanford University arguing against the motion is ten vermin dean of the Yale School of Public Health. Let's give both of you just a quick opportunity to sum up. This has been a really rich informative conversation and the civility candor that you've both brought to it as a credit to you as academics and thinkers and publicly spirited individuals so Stan let's have your kind of summing up I well let me just say I. That open. Debate is the nature of academia. I welcome from a student from a colleague to be questioned on what I believe because if I am forced to fan I point of view I can refine my thinking and I and I hope. Come closer to a best estimate of the truth of the whole philosophy. Bayesian analysis is that you make your best judgment when you have certain amount of data available and then you can refine your probabilities based on new information. And I'm very much Beijing accurate. I'm GonNa just close by speculation in two thousand four. The global response on the SARS was very aggressive and drove transmission. Two Zero in places like Hong Kong and Toronto and long province where the epidemic seem to emerge and many other smaller outbreaks and we did not see the virus recur in humans in the next respiratory viral season the next temperate environments winter and I do hold a candle without evidence. I admit that perhaps we could accomplish the same here if we can limit spread in communities and essentially wipe out transmission by the summer or late summer if we succeed in this. Is it possible that this novel Rona Virus Will Not Recur in the next season now? This is a lot more transmissible than SARS was so I might be completely wrong but I hope that we might be able to be aggressive in our response to this particular outbreak and see if it's conceivable that we can drive it down to such low levels that there wouldn't be a source of global transmission in new respiratory flu season so that's a that's the wildest speculation you'll get on the debate. I would say Stan just on that point that would whether or not be reservoirs of the disease and countries in the developing world. Where they really do not have the public health tools to to chase the disease down to eradicate Will in an environment where they're simply not going to have a public health response and I just came back from Africa. Just a early Arch and I visited a couple of very under capacity to nations some of the poorest countries of planet and they have extremely low testing capacity. They have extremely modest intensive care capacity and one can expect the virus to run its course with high mortality weather. The global travel bans that. We're seeing a limits that is yet to be seen but it's plausible that for a different reason. Transmission will be low in those countries because they will have saturated their highest will of individuals and they will pay a terrible mortality rate counsel for that because of the Underdeveloped acid. So it may be for different reasons that we don't see transmission some of these venues. All of these speculative. I just thought it'd be interesting for your audience. Yeah absolutely so John we're going to give As a person that that kind of stimulated this debate with some of your thoughtful commentary in the media. Let's give you the last word. I think that we're facing a very serious challenge. We have a lot of uncertainty. There's just too much at stake. Both from the dynamic and the consequences and the measures that were taking and unpredictable factors and some chaotic consequences. If would try to speculate. What would happen long-term like you know this fall or next year or who knows five years from now we just need to get it right this time and I think that during this debate we agreed. agreed with With Stanton in many many points by we need to get evidence on what does virus does and how many people had kills and how widely spreads as quickly as possible. I really have doubts whether our society Economy lives at stake can allow having months and months of lockdown. We know that there will be severe consequences based on previous experiences of economic meltdown. That really costs many many lives. And in this case it's not just the one country it's The entire world in. It's a situation that is very peculiar. So if we have evidence we can act swiftly we can modify our strategy we can optimize it and we can be better prepared also for next time whenever that next time. Is You know this fall or or fifty. Five years from now who knows we will know how to get it right and We will have responded in a proper way. Well Johnston again This is the big topic of the moment. Both of you brought clarity insight and hard won experience to thoughtful interchange an exchange of ideas so on behalf of the munk debates podcast. Thank you very much for coming on. The show and million things are put that wraps up. Today's debate I wanNA think or participants. John I need us and sten- Vermin both. Give us a lot to think about the munk. 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James Carville on the likely outcomes of the U.S. Election

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James Carville on the likely outcomes of the U.S. Election

"I think it's time to this toxic Binary Zeros Sum Matt Stone. We're not an imperial power where revolutionary power we are no longer in a world where you can plot out moves statesman to statesman like a chessboard. You don't know anything about my background and where it came from, it doesn't matter to you because fundamentally on the mean white man, we can't do this to the next generation because a miracle will cease to exist. Thanks for listening to the munk debates. During the month of October leading up to the US election, we have changed the format for this podcast. Instead of a debate, we're doing in depth interviews with some of the world's smartest thinkers on the big issues driving the US election. From the pandemic to economy to the polarization of US politics and society. This mini series is called the monk locks. On this installment of the monk dialogues, we featured James Carville. US Democratic Party political strategist, and bestselling author on the likely comes of November third US presidential election. Here is his dialogue with Munk debates chair Rod you'd grits. Good evening. I'm rudyard griffiths, the moderator of the monk dialogues for the last number of Wednesdays we have been focusing on the US election we do that again tonight with the person that I consider as many do one of America's smartest and most experienced political strategist. His name is James Carville he as I mentioned is storied in his experience both in the United States and around the world as a campaign adviser, he played a key role in the election of President Bill Clinton, he's the author of a dozen or more bestselling books many of them are on our book. He's a prolific writer. James Carville joins us now from Baton Rouge Louisiana James Great to have you on the program got data disregard I. Wish I was in Toronto about bound up that place while James Let's dive in here we are less than a week from this historic once in a generation election so much at stake. So many dynamics play I've got to ask you off the top just to give us your read your sense of of how things are going to turn out on November third bunch going GonNa win. All right. But the question is how much in a question is what happens to the United States Senate? Polling averages now, five, thirty, eight, which it's about nine points but I mean what's happened so far in this race is not very much. If you look at the trend lines, they will steady before colby. May One of the things that trump puts out a people kind of have a tendency to believe that trump was cruising to reelection and Cova game and derailed him, and now he's in trouble is just everything to support that fax. Actually some of the Senate races people call me all day probably see more polls than all but five people in the United States and I think I'm hopeful that things are breaking the Democrats Way and we can kate this awful God awful in just humiliating. Moment that the United States is gone throat just really torn up about it. I worked in as you point out four to twenty two different countries. In literally, every place that I've gone people wipe the United States. I think we kinda big sometimes clumsy and you know can be full of ourselves could basically like what our country isn't. What is saying fun. And deadly had this. Very, shy about my opinions what's happening to my country but I I think that on a verge of a real breakthrough he i Asked. Our darkest hour is going to turn it off style really do. James, what about what could come after the election in the days and weeks following there's been obviously a lot of discussions real concern about two things one, the risk of a contested election One of the parties probably the party president trump fighting this election in the courts in state legislatures, and also what do you see as the risk of of violence of political violence spilling over into the streets when it seems that either side is just convinced maybe they're not convinced they can win but they're convinced that they should win. Well I have a expression health too much of our hometown y'all and we have to win by more than five s no jive. If distinct is close got admitted. That's possible. The steal it from. Then anything within spitting range were done. I hate to say that because you know we're supposedly a nation laws a constitutional democracy and in all of that, but let's understrength. We'll win by more than five. A point beyond which they can't steal it. In terms of the balance it depends on the aftermath of the election. It depends on how much we went by but this f though nationalism is really serious thing and trump is just exacerbated and made it much more serious as a result of him being president. And if the concern that I have. A lot of people do and I think the first step in dealing with this is to win this election decisively. Or Watch these. I. Like to watch these documentaries no world war two, and when you look at a beaten army. Not is installed riding. They have that vacant starving and hopeless look on his face I. Mean that's what we gotta see here. We have to beat distinct and beat it decisively. Tell people this is not who we are I hope we do. What do you think about just to give it some of the counter arguments as to why? Maybe we shouldn't necessarily be as optimistic as you are right now in terms of a democratic win, people are citing the large voter registration drives at the Republican. Party has been seemingly very successful at implementing in states like, Pennsylvania Wisconsin and elsewhere and that you. Know obviously you're fan of this president but he as a politician, you must respect or you must have some admiration for his ability to fire up his core supporters that this is a guy that campaigns with a lot of energy a lot of passion and it gets people are riled up heading to the polls. All right. Let's just take it out of. You say a great politician Okay he could rob people I'll concede that he won the presidency forty, six point one percent of the people behind it. He had a freakish distribution he had called me he had the Russians he had God knows what else but if so he wants then we had off the elections in two thousand, eighteen, these single highest turnout in off the election in the United States since women were grand right about. The single largest margin of an off the election eight point six percent. Breathtaking victory. He couldn't elect a governor of Kentucky our governor of Louisiana. He is barely ever polled above forty five. He's lost eighty percent of the off year elections east now on polling average nine points down. Republicans are running away from him like a devil rental. I totally in being coli honest here I am totally unimpressed with his political powers. Right he does have a real connection with thirty five percent of the country and the people he connects with tend to be the most declining demographic in the united. States. They're older non college white people and he's also activated in a way too. I couldn't imagine an entire class of people namely female college educated white next to african-american instead of the largest democratic voting bloc in the United States and you can find me one republican that really thinks that trump is. Doing their party any good at once around with him and other somebody Alabama I'll fall out his champ not just being an honest James we're going to go this questions momentarily but just a few other big boxes to tick with you hear. A blue wave. So there's some hypotheses here that Biden's lead here could be so significant that the down ballot affects really start to gather momentum going into next week's vote on Tuesday in the Senate could flip along with the house along with the presidency. What kind of odds do you give that right now I know you're very confident that Biden's going to win but how confident are you in a blue wave scenario? I think it's a real possibility ethic we're going pick up how seats. Certain and we already have the house. that. That than anything I think chances are better than not that we pick up the Senate, the margin is going to be really important. With fifty one senators and you want to do big things it you're really constrained. The United States is controlling state legislative chambers because remember we have redistricting coming up after this election cycle and dad state legislature chambers that we could take it in. North Carolina Georgia Texas Michigan. Probably missing a couple. So does a lot at stake in this election in all away from you know White House to the State House probably the courthouse to borrow. So I feel like it's a real possibility but a a case it here and say is competent I am at by just go into president this is going to happen. James. Finally, before we get to courses, you know youth throughout the the the race for the Democratic nomination for president were a critical of what you saw the lurch, the left's on the part of The party embodied in the candidacy of Bernie Sanders. What is your feeling about that faction in the party? It's a party you know well, post this vote in what to what extent is the Biden Presidency GonNa similarly have to lurch left to reflect the reality of the Democratic Party today and where the energy is in that party at this moment. But first of all Bhadra four hundred, fifty, million dollars as energy all around Cutter Democratic Party. The second thing is, let's assume that our hopes fulfilled and we do very well in the Senate the incumbent Senate Democratic Caucus is going to be much more moderate and pragmatic in the current one because who had become an ital-. Cal Cunningham from North Carolina John Ausra from Georgia maybe behaving taxes the shore. Mark Kelly Astronaut Marriage Zona John Hickenlooper famously batard governor of Colorado Steve Bullock the governor of Montana Al Gross. Not, even a Democrat independent from Alaska Jay maybe maybe Jamie Harrison from South Carolina. And the Democratic Party made a gigantic statement the primaries I mean Bernie Sanders was the best funded. The most energetic. He was in every debate he competed everywhere in frankly he lost now be right to the left of the party. The won an election that had a democratic performance of under twenty five and I know these people talk Toma. When you win an election in Kentucky come see me. All right Election in Georgia. I made a press loves to story just bluffed his story they're energetic they raise money take Organiz. But the voters voted. Voted overwhelmingly in a Democratic Party. And it wasn't close. You can go look it ebb literally across the board every election but by way to African American. To keep part is party and have now been already you know other people that contributed. It did this I look I'm a liberal I don't miss it at how I believe that the government has a significant role to play in people's lives. I'm not a leftist I don't want to shut people up. I don't believe in all of that kind of an old line liberal if somebody's got something to say say it. But I'm very you know bleeped that there's a real role for the government to plan housecat talk enough about climate I just about live at everyday I teach it everything else but we also gotta understand we've got to respect the wishes of Democrats across country today expressed themselves very decisively. In Berry authoritatively, you've done that for us James and I thank you. Okay, James. Let's go to the I emailed question it's. From somebody called James the best explanation for trump's two, thousand sixteen election is that blue states and the media took trump literally but not seriously while red states took him seriously but not literally, can you help explain to the majority of Canadians who are anxious? How did the United States get itself to this point? So maybe james just boil that down to something sinks. What created trump did trump create trump. Did did American culture and politics create trump. You know who's the cars and who's horse well, trump came along portfolio. He had a message. All right is a message that had a certain resonates with people it the. Campus is US enough. It got forty six point one and he had a distribution will draw. That is unique. American democracy is I'm not denying that. It's he came along and people thought it was they felt some angst and thought it was a way that they could be heard and unfortunately they went a little bit too far with it and I think that that without comey, he would have never one political scientist have really started that and you can look at Kathleen. Hall Jamieson. You can look at an in a number of papers and political science also Russians war very involved in were very helpful and. They had been this kind of. The Democratic Party in this is a problem. Of Urban potties in I'm choice a multiple problem in Canada is we give off? Otis that were better than other people that Boorda educated where the divers, where the tolerant where the hip and we kind of dominate the couch. You know we really had gave people rural. White. Real. White Guy grew up twenty five miles south of the lsu campus so far into sticks where the Pike Sunshine. And I. Think. Biden. Job of not giving off these noxious notions of cultural superiority. And I think that's going to help us some and I hope party number returns to that. In I think it's very much a attitude. You know sometimes urban left you know dominated left-leaning parties and we got taught a lesson partially. Blessing to detained was not worthy of. Mistake we made but we ll hope we. Learned to lash. Okay here comes the question from Sean more his washing live right now sean ass quote it was the economy stupid in Nineteen ninety-two James was your you're famous kind of encapsulation of that election. Shawn asks you what is it in twenty twenty? How would you characterize the central issue in this presidential race? Well, as essential issues, just just want change I. They just don't want to live like this anymore in let's go back and talk about the economy stupid in healthcare because in Canada, it's a little bit different when you go and you get up EKG PSA test how breast cancer screening that is one event in your life. Your Bank account is an event in your life a flawed Americans we have been church. So eighty percent of people in the country under share the no insurance. Healthcare is the economy to them, and that's become increasingly to case because healthcare costs have exceeded inflation rates over the years by a lot. And don't even get me started on the way people viewed prescription drug costs. So Hard Bar Canadian, given your system. To understand it our system, how the economy in healthcare can healthcare costs have merged in become related phenomena But the other thing. That happened before trump the president. Do they fail the inequality in this country is really bad but To, start to the growth dirt even when trump was president took in counties that Hillary carried. I mean think about White, west wears all the growth. And so everybody saw this very justifiably and it wasn't just you know people in rights and industrial bid network mid West everybody saw. That, the country was growing. And they weren't participating in it. And we have to figure a way and it's very difficult problem. To win the next Berta gross calms how how can we have more equitable inboard broad based growth because not doing us any good country when six percent of the people. Had, the benefits of seventy five percent of the girls in the country pulling that those numbers out about bias but it's a bit close shocking to architect good Astra, but I promise you. Okay. Let's go to the next email question We appreciate your candor James This is from Bill. Could I please have your opinion on the twitter facebook censorship of the New York Post and the White House on the hunter? Biden, Biden family corruption allegations. James, just a encapsulate this for those of us in our Canadian audience may not be familiar with the latest developments around Hunter Biden. Top was found at a repair shop. It was given to Rudy Giuliani who is the president's lawyer who in turn has given it to the FBI the Delaware please Fox News of the New York Post and others and a lot of media is refusing to cover. The findings of the material on that laptop which seemed to be now verified by friends of Hunter Biden, and friends of the Biden family. Do you what's your thought on that I? Mean you're favor free speech you classify yourself as a you know a small l liberal what what do you think about this? Okay. I'll take exactly what I think first of all one hundred news Los Angeles so does theory is that he flew to Philadelphia got on a train to Wilmington Delaware to a stripper computer repair shop operated by guys legally blind. And had a computer flow incriminating inflammation in forgot to pick the computer up and it stayed for ninety days and so two guy opens the computer seizes incriminating information, and somehow another figures out how to get in touch with Rudy Giuliani. Okay. At that point if you believe that then fan I don't know what to tell you but we're not on the same planet. So to take the story and try to take it to the Wall Street Journal and you can breed Ben Smith's peace in your time, the wall, Street Journal which is. Editorially is very extremely conservative, but journalistically, it has high standards. So then they take it through to the New York, post they have they can't find anybody to put a byline on a story. So to find some employees to head was a producer for Sean, Hannity said put byline on the story. Okay. Then you say this is censorship. FACEBOOK is not the government. Twitter is not the government if the government would say, you can't do that. The First Amendment says Congress shell past. If I if anybody works at a company, if you work at a law firm and you post something online and you you use a racist sexist time you get fired. It's just that simple. Now they welcome to I'm not that big. Did think that big tech dot monopolies I think that that we could look at ways to do that I'm not an antitrust act expert at all but conservatives used to be you know, let free enterprise system flourish what if you don't like facebook like Google. Didn't go get a bunch of get two brothers, Robert Mercer or anybody you go start building a better mouse trap. But the idea that somehow another? Dishes too heavy handed government censorship. Does Not true into story is preposterous really is. Computer repair shop at the Strip mall in Wilmington. Okay. Come on. Let's go to a question here from an audience member of watching right now I Harry van Mulligan he's asking do you agree that if trump had followed the science and in communicated as per CDC guidance like some other world leaders he would be cruising now for a massive reelection in short to what extent James is is, Cova this president's Achilles heel would be joe. Biden really have a chance if there wasn't two, hundred, thousand plus Americans dead tragically because of this virus if you go look at NBC while She, Journal poll, you, look into fivethirtyeight polling averages. He was profoundly underwater in January of twenty twenty and once that that the Democratic Party decided that it was going to commit suicide he was done that was his only hope. Then you have this national crisis at Com now any politician it says look I'm not doing that great and I have a chance to exhibit real leadership and so every. Governors around the country that exhibit relationship. What did they do? They shouted numbers go up they're going to get reelected if I was a raw pure political animal. And I was in trump White House. I would let me go in. It's a goddamn opportunity. You know you guipure losing these these women were loose. People this is a chance for you to step into the breach. Do this to show that you've grown office and everything you know what he might. He might have been able to make it. And now you got jared talking about bragging if you to Bob Woodward, they just released taper how they beat the doctors back at how did that s it didn't he came you know about clorox bleach in it was going to go away people just sought at just book re post and he attacks Dr Foul just got like a seventy percent approval rating. At. Forty three percent approval rating, and you have a person in your government that has seventy I would attached to that person like like a barnacle on the bottom of Boat Lake Ontario. The whole thing politically makes utterly no sense at all. Supposed to think that jared Kushner some kind of a political genius I, mean, give me a break. It saved any number of politician. Doing Mediocre who likes stepped up and look like they will leaders and look all right. Now, look what's going to happen next Tuesday made it was a it was a real. Forget. The tragedy of this it was a huge. It's the biggest swing and missile political opportunity maybe in my lifetime. A lot of people James a whole bunch of different questions coming here from people asking in effect. What happens if trump simply refuses to concede the election? This guy has you know operated outside of the norms, an of your politics now for four years, what's stopping him post-election from simply saying? You know I don't accept the result. This is a rig dot com and You know my lawyers are going to fight this to to to the end I'm not going anywhere. What would happen is on January twentieth they would be so many four star generals volunteering to execute extraction procedure at the White House. David go in and get him and throw his fat ass out on. Pennsylvania Avenue. and His supporters James I don't know his supporters. We we live in a democracy know we had a profoundly disappointing night in November two, thousand, six, eight you know when Anna an election you live in a country that is a democracy you lose you lose that's just the nature of the way it goes. That's what happened and I think if he loses to wait it I think he will away I. Hope he will. People are not going to stand for that. I mean, there's just not go stamping if he loses this election. And again, I have to be careful here because if he loses it Bildt little bit, they'll fix thing I don't have any confidence in the system but but if you lose it by as much as I think he will you won't have any other choice. Here's my charts, and by the way they have any number bone -able Republican senators coming up in twenty twenty two in blue. What person that wants to face reelection wants to like denied a willow to people. I WANNA now kind of call on you as kind of lecture and chief to help us with a bit of a civics lesson here, a bunch of questions asking. Basically can the Biden government do anything between the election and inauguration comes to especially to the pandemic? You know what happens in your system for that critical period here of of almost three months James I mean is this just like a deep freeze where everybody puts their tools down and No substantial decisions are made. What Paul System and I think this is true encountered true Britain most places would be election night. But you when did you move into ten Downing Street? No such thing as a transition you one day and not prime minister next. Prime. Minister It is a unique thing that is built into our system I. I think it's very proper to worry about it. It had in a period of time it used to be even. Before it was in March. Before you had a change of Pala took much more time than this. A lot depends on the margin. If he wins the popular vote by four and gets three hundred and twenty, five electoral votes, he'll be president. But it's Different if he went to decisively at. A lot of pressure. Are you know and if he tries to put out some crazy or something I, think it's going to be people that are going to refuse to to to follow it and I hate to say that. But I think it's a real possibility but I I don't know I'm not a I'm not a government expert I. Mean My life starts when the campaign starts kind of ends when a campaign is over I, walk out and move onto the next mission I as a citizen I worry about it and again I come back to the margin is everything here. Monk Debate podcast listeners this has rudyard griffiths, your host and moderator just want to thank you for making this podcast. Such. 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They don't at least at this point there's one or two maybe that have made some musings here in the final weeks of the campaign. But what is a future of this Republican Party and are you concerned I mean you have a two party system there you need two functioning parties to come together to present the policy options and ideas for America, where does the Republican Party go bob become quite funny. These never trump republicans. And they will say and I've heard any number of other Republicans said the only way Republican party can have a future as it has to be stride as it is. That is a very commonly held you. Among a lot of very prominent bomber Republicans now to give you know ethno-nationalism has been exposed. Will they do as Democrats did where it in two thousand during the primaries autographed Gigabyte? Can you win and when Bernie head is it single payer in Senator Warren was going along and she came out for single payer that was the end of the campaign attache Democrats had much of a problem with a single payer system. They just thought it was electorally toxic. In just politics in a two party system when a political party stopped being a coalition in becomes a cult. Then it destroys it's out. Multiparty systems you have you can have differences within the government, but in a two party system to different the coalitions about within the party I don't know I would certainly argue that I have nothing against the slightly nationalistic. You know government skeptic low tax kind of traditionalist party this. To that around America but that party no longer exist I mean actually it's more not as more like the Democrats now about. Our trade we've never had this is the first anti free trade president. We've ever had Republican Democrat. Do you think the trump kids have a future in politics there we've seen dynastic politics in the United States I mean the Clintons some ways were part of that husband to wife what happens to trump in the trump family after this if you're right and there is a definitive loss next week well, what I really think it. This is not have purply I. I want to be very careful I. think that after this is over the mouth thesis, the braces. The incompetence and everything will be dwarfed by one thing and that is the massive staggering corruption. All across the trump, the family to everything and I think the real problem that the United States is going to have is this. The Manhattan Da. Attorney General and way do new attorney general and suppose says, look. Trump says, if you leave me in my family alone, I will go tomorrow. Lago. All right I'LL DO TRUMP TV But that's it. If. You continue this. I'm going to travel around the country and you know what I can do, and you know how difficult can make life by you. So you sitting there saying look I just want to sky to go away. If we go through this and trust me tomorrow report people understand Malla saved all the evidence of obstruction of justice is no reason that the nets attorney general couldn't indict him now he could resign intense could party, but he could take a gamble in part himself and of this legal, he can't part himself in New York. State. In now you got bannon's indicted gonNA probably died parcel and they're just gonNA squeeze them to know in. So he's got massive massive criminal exposure and short a family does too. Though that but I wouldn't be surprised to do so that that's something that people is not been fully appreciated is the. Started the campaign billion dollars if fitted away. And they what direction it got three hundred and something million have gone to like a dummy corporation that nobody can find. They will bill into the tax payers three dollars for glass of water damage drank mar-a-lago I mean come on. This is a gift on a level in history. Unfold in everyday you see in these stories comes even late in the campaign I don't know how much effect are GonNa have campaign but that guy's going to have to negotiate his way out of trouble good and a lot of trouble. Question here from Keith in in British Columbia a bunch of other people basically asking you know you've witnessed now this role seemingly relentless polarization of American society. Where does this go James? What's your sense of where America's headed in the decades to come and does this political polarization ever resolve itself? The question is very good environment frightening. I'll give you a statistic I want you to think about this. The amount of geographical polarization we've had in this country is really staggering plus call a super majority county that is a county that one party carries by fifty points. So you have to win it by seventy, five, twenty, five to qualify they are sliding board thirty, one, hundred county account equivalents in the United States. In. Nineteen ninety-two. When Bill Clinton one there were ninety six super counties. In two, thousand, sixteen out of thirty. One, hundred, thirty, one, hundred, they will more than thirteen hundred super majority counties. and. So what's going to happen election night people that are going to vote for trump don't know anybody that's not for him. How could he lose? And this is built up over a period of time in American politics. And I come back to something I've said often tonight but I say it often because I think it's important. Biden's lent has to be decisive. And the American needs innovation and invention has got to come from American voters. And it's got to tell politicians that this is not the way to win elections and I would say, I'll get by very high marks. On At making an attempt to be unifier kind of respecting people and if he has a big win, hopefully, he can deal with this but this is a significant problem. It is not an all being neurotic to worry about it and I think it all starts. Everything Starts Hopele- next Tuesday night. Okay, this is from Adelaide she's asking on the assumption that votes will be counted for a few days and possibly weeks following the election. So here maybe she's seeing less than a completely decisive wind James How can we be sure that trump will be removed from the White House? How is the post-election period likely to play out? So you've answered part of that in the sense you save when It comes around to the inauguration. He's he's GonNa be out of there regardless But tell us give us a little bit more paint us a little bit more detailed picture of what happens between the election and and inauguration based on two scenarios. One your scenario of a definitive Biden win and second play out the scenario for US maybe where the election has been closer than you might have liked. Again I. It's not my kind of area of. Focus on the election. I. Think it's GonNa matter. You know if it's close a bubble have lawsuits everywhere we're GONNA have state legislatures trying to direct electors to vote we're going to have eight whatever mess. Now it'll be compounded it would be a nightmare and the courts would be full streets before the virus is not going anywhere has anybody taken a look at the American stock market over the last two days Can you imagine what will happen to financial markets? If we have paralysis in the United States after the election and I'm talking about less than a week now I can tell you what certainty that does the Irish knock will be. Oh I can tell you for certain the politicisation polarization. The United States is GonNa be gone. The only thing that can save us is our people. I hear that from you got some optimism here Jay, asking out what do you think trump's? is going to be as president He Jay's pointing out decisively tilting the US Supreme Court and let's face it much of the US federal judicial system to the conservative, right Or the mishandling of the covid nineteen pandemic. I mean James You, disagree with US president fundamentally his policies but. You know he he will have a legacy won't he? She will be the staggering unbelievable corruption. It'll be written in history books two hundred years from now. Just. Incompetent. I mean it did Mitch McConnell. Okay. So you did the Federal Society says appoint this Guy Judge Okay, you do that. They Ram it through your people have competency Supreme Court in the United States right now, problem any time in modern history? Do you call letters accomplishment? I wouldn't call it an accomplishment but it but it is a fat. Is a anybody think that his handling of viruses anything other than catastrophic I mean, really that's an accomplishment. Again I come back to to sing that will be and I'm very chiampou. Up. Many years from now. We're going to come out of corruption that we're going to unearth is going to be breathtaking. Already. Breathtaking. Start it yet. Let's see that. That shoe. May and well, Shirley surely dropped James. I just want to end by saying that often people in their minds See you as you know, one of the the tough kind of scrappers, fighters of US politics and and I'm sure that's true. You've led some storied campaigns in the US and around the world. But tonight I think you've shown that other side side that I've. 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David Sunfellow, Can the Scientific Study of NDEs Reveal the Purpose of Life? |413|

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David Sunfellow, Can the Scientific Study of NDEs Reveal the Purpose of Life? |413|

"Searcher are cord. Kenny from south park trip through hell. The news a war just broke out up on. Saddam Hussein my new partner. Your man is getting stood south park creators, Trey Parker and Matt stone show in dealing with hell is truly masterful. And it has a direct link to today's show because, as you know, be on the love and light aspect of the near death experience, which is overwhelmingly the most significantly reported experience. I mean like eighty ninety percent of people report that there are reports of hellish indie experiences, and they are significantly under reported, there under reported by experiencers who are undoubtedly afraid of facing the ridicule in judgement. That comes with saying, e L I was in hell and people are the yeah. Why were you in hell, what have you done wrong that I don't know about, but they're also under report about indie researchers? And this has an interesting twist to it because it says that. The data that were getting back that we're trying to rely on for trying to make all these interesting assumptions about extended realms that, that is subject to the same kind of personal human factors that we see in every other branch of science. So if you're an indie researcher, do you really want to report the hill thing, what do you do with that? What do you do with the often very Christian biblical baggage that comes along with that? Do you as some do kind of immediately distance yourself from that? Oh, that can't be real in the way that you're thinking about it, it has this, cultural overlay to me. Do we really know that? Can we really make those kind of sumptious and what is the endgame for making those kind of a sumptiousness about a consciousness that extends into an interferes and corrupts with the data in the extended consciousness round if you know what? I mean these some of the issues that we get into today's show with the very excellent. Davidson fellow in this game of trying to figure out again from the wrong end of the telescope. What's really going on in this extended consciousness realm. If we're going to play the game for going to follow the data. This isn't the data Jeffrey long his research, very much supports the idea that there are these hellish rounds. He in fact, here's a quote from him and says, quote, the most frightening things that I've encountered, in my life are not from fictional books or staring movies, but from near death experiences with hellish content. So he's not saying there's no hell, he's just saying that, you know, God is not sending people to hell, which is a common theme among near death experiences as a whole. I think they're saying something else. The way I read this data is, there are a lot of scary movies out there. And you may have to watch a scary movie that may be on your path to help your overall learning in guiding of your soul to where it needs to be. But. Don't take the fucking scary movie too seriously. That's what the data comes through over and over again and says, and that's why I guess what I'm saying about Jeff long as what you said, is technically true, but his overall conclusion is that it's not anything to be feared. It's part of your souls experience. It's a small movie that you will walk into and walk out of this is a deep dive into ND research, in how we might use it to better understand. Who are we? Why are we here in how we should make decisions around those questions? David is a terrific guest, whose decades of work in this field gives him a unique vantage point to reveal the big picture takeaways from these experiences, my niece, one time asked me, what is it about near death experiences that you've learned something new didn't you already L this stuff? And my answer. Was I learned to near death experiences that I didn't aren't from the other things. The first thing was a full picture, how all the pieces fit together. And the second thing was they emphasis that near death experiences give to certain aspects of our life. And the main thing that leads to mind is the idea of the little things in life are the big things stick around my conversation with Davidson fellow is coming up next on skeptical. Today. We walk them Davidson, fellow skeptic. Oh, he's here to talk about his new book, the purpose of life as revealed by near death experiences from around the world and really to talk about a lot more. I've had a great Email exchange with David just chatting one second ago. When I first got him on the zen caster here, and we had a chance to talk to each other for the first time, and I feel like a certain connection with someone who's really devoted themselves to trying to understand more broadly, these big picture questions, who are we? Why are we here where we headed and David has done that and just amazing ways compile thousands of near death experience accounts, both written and video? He's put together a very popular website. That is a real go to for a lot of people within the near death experience community near death experience. Researchers know him well and he. Really tackles things that are sometimes outside of were a lot of people wanna go in terms of the natural controversies that arise, when you look at these extended conscious thing. So with all that David certainly great, great, great to have you on skeptical. Thanks for being here here too. Alex, thanks for inviting me. So let's see, you know as much as I sketched out, a very brief bio of you, it is very brief. So who is David son, fellow? Yeah. That's a that's a big question. I guess boil it down by saying that. I'm, I'm just someone who has been my life trying to understand if the questions you know, why are we here was life, all about, where's it going. And that's been my main focus along with raising for children doing a bunch of other things. But the main thrust of my life has been to try to answer these big fundamental questions. Why do you suppose that is? I mean, I'll frame it up a little bit. Because I've told this story on the show. You know, I grew up in homeless pretty success oriented. And that's how my family raised me. And I think there was a good thing about that was after the normal things that our society says, but I always had in the back of my mind that I needed to get past that. So I could get to these bigger picture questions. So that's what I did. And I expected to find a lot of other travelers on that road people who had said, okay, I'm gonna tackle life, but also going to tackle, what are obviously these fundamental questions in life? And I found that, you know, people just aren't interested. Yeah. Right. Or there. In a very narrowly defined way that, you know, is like, okay church tells me that's how it is. Which to me is, again, not. I mean we even people who are religious in your religious. We're gonna talk about that for a minute. We'll talk about what that means for you. But a lot of us, there's a deeper drive like, hey, is that really all the answers, and I think you have that drive to what do you think that's about? Well for me way to frame, it would be through brutal childhood and basically, crawl out of that wondering what happened? Why did happen how can I put Humpty Dumpty back together again? And so that really was found nation. Started everything. I didn't inter- the world with the resources or well or anything like that for my family's perspective. Saul bottom line. Just to survive. So I crawled out of my childhood with women's in desire to understand what if this is all about in that visually, led me to Virginia Beach Virginia work if Eker Casey, and then I went through a period of about five and a half years. Dr is the sole type of experience, that took me down the rabbit's hole to all these other places in that officially launched me into. Getting really, really serious, or my own personal reasons of needing to understand what is this all about. And how we learned to live healthy, happy productive lives in this world. So that's my little bit, Mark on my background. Interesting. What do you think about the Edgar Casey material, it always has intrigued me what was it that, drew you to that? And what did you feel like you came out of it at the end? Yeah. Yeah. Well, when I in counter case in interior unknown, I was looking for help, and why don't we tell folks really briefly just in case they don't because it's a little bit dated now known talks about it. Although it's still an amazing body of work set all about. Well, Casey was a man who. Through a series of events. He actually had a health crisis. He was hypnotized during hypnosis he can stay at the time, but he was hitting ties. And then when he was in tic- got a slice back. He was able to tell the hypnotist exactly what was wrong with this body, what needed to correct it. That started the process with Casey, and he eventually became all trans site. He would go into these translates in men over the course of this lifetime. If what is called readings for teen thousand of these readings that dealt with all kinds of topics, including big picture, topics of life. But you what he became famous for were his health ratings, and he had the ability to basically when he was in trance to go into the person's body and diagnose, everything that was wrong and under correct problems. Anyhow, a lot of regulus healings result from the. Diagnoses that were given from the readings, and he himself would not remember anything about what was centering the trance time. So I came across his work and against the readings, and eventually ended up in Virginia Beach Virginia, which is is where is located and was there for sixteen years. So in Virginia Beach, and I've never been in been to the. Associated lecture research. That same organization. Okay. Awesome. So I want you to tell us a little bit about what that was like. And what it was like to stay there in studying. I know many people have had amazing experiences just being there, but also wanted just fill in a couple of details that, I know and you can elaborate on these correct me on, what are you making things is when you say he's doing these readings. These are a lot of times, I've letters. I mean, this is kind of back a day, you know, and people are just right in these letters in he would go into trance in the kind of medical readings that he would give give people an example, David, but he will do really, really specific things. Not like kind of general things he'd say, you know, take this particular route that you'll find in your with this, and then you healed over seven days. It's like you can't really make that stuff up. Right. Right. And the, the association for researching Lightman, which is the organization that archives his work in has a lie. Gary and they do regular conferences. They have all these readings on file, were anybody can go in and study them, including case histories tell exactly the stories you just mentioned. And some of these are off the top, you know, wild stories, for example, there's one where he did a reading about a number particular problem was, but heart of the diagnosis was finding this of secure herbal remedy in this drugstore, in some distant city, and this was a person written into him. And so he told them where to go find it. The pharmacist couldn't find it did another meeting. He said, okay, go back in this reference on third shell in the back, and that was the kind of stuff that he did it was, you know, just story after story after story you don't wanna put a pin in this because I don't wanna pull it into the interview right now. But one of the things that I really appreciated about the E mail dialogue. We've had is. Like take this Edgar cases story right there. It already starts to introduce some of the complexity the contradictions the impossible to resolve. You know, how does this extended consciousness thing work? And what does it mean to transcend space and time and is destiny? Really destiny in all these complicated questions. So, like I said, one of the kind of set those up in the background, but maybe in your story, tell us how that rolls into the near death. Experience science stuff why you were drawn to it, and what that evolved into for you, right? Well, there are two tracks. The first one is just Casey, providing the basic overview of light. There's a lot more onto light. And we realized there are spiritual forces were there are specific things we can do. Our lives to improve them improve. For example, Casey, recommended prayer meditation and dreams as a three main tools to use in your life. So Casey was providing a big framework about how to view light in general and how to begin to move through. So that's the general picture more specific near death experiences team fixture for me is Wally was at Virginia Beach Virginia studying Hazies worth dissipating in work study program. One of the speakers, they had was a guy by the name of Dr George Ritchie. And he came and told his experiences near death experience and at the time, it wasn't even called in your death experience was about nineteen seventy four seventy five about the time. Raymond moody was coming out with his book, and I didn't know what to make of this was, this was a professional medical doctor. Very well-known respected us particular area. It was telling about. Humbly might add humbly telling about this life changing experience, that he had he was he had actually died and counter with Jesus and told this fabulous story. So that was the bursting counter. I have with near death in. You're hearing near death experience turns out that this particular about George Ritchie was a mentor to Raymond moody and Raymond moody spoke like after life after life, which, of course started the near death experience movement. The modern near death experience movement was dedicated to Dr George Ritchie, who introduce him to near death experiences. So that's my first connection, bent Essex or why did it kind of grab you the way that it did? Heard anyone have an experience like his by that time become familiar with a lot of mystical experiences with classic descriptions of cosmic consciousness, universal conscience consciousness, Satory some things like that, and I was more of the mindset of, you know, the purpose of life really is to basically figure out how to get out of this world. And so here was in Casey didn't have that perspective. But George Ritchie talking about this personal experience in counry head with Jesus. And in describing all different realms, if he Bizet and what he was shown in these different places. Hell begin to give me a sense of what life was really about. So that basically helped begin to change my perspective on why were here and what was important. So I just wanna let folks know you've brought up Jesus a couple of times, and that's going to be very interesting topic for us to talk about, and I wanna get there, and I have a couple of clips queued up that you've already heard that I think we're going to have an interesting conversation about want people hold on, and listen to that. But I don't want people to be thrown either way, by the Jesus thing because I think you recognize it as a potential contradiction, stumbling block, but also opportunity in figuring this out. And I wanna let people know that you're not married to anyone interpretation, and we're going to have to figure that out as we go. But I guess what I wanted to do is return to the near death experience thing because I'm gonna suggest you David that one of the reasons that you were drawn to the near death. Experience is the same. Reason I was drawn to it because I never had in your experience. I don't know who's had a near death experience. And it sounds like that's similar to your situation, maneuver George, Ritchie you hadn't had or did you have any family members who had told you story like this. No, I had no direct contact with anyone at that time who had in your experience, and I myself either I went through the spiritual trail on the experience, but not the classic near-death experience. And by the way, this is an important clarification in my time with the casing, teary light, it came in contact with a lot of other psychic metaphysical type things. And so I recognized in near death experiences. There was something different happening with those experiences versus your typical needing trance-like it something different quality of the experiences different. And so that's another reason that it got my. Attention. That already spent. I spent like you said decades in the physical world, and eventually led me to the near death experience world which is what has become an last actually last several days major focus in my life. So that is interesting right there on think it you put your finger on it. I don't know if that's true for me. I'm not totally certain about the difference between near death experiences in other spiritually transformative experiences, but I have to admit aknowledge what you're saying they do seem to touch us. More directly touch, our heart more directly. They do me in, they do so many people that I've encountered, and I think that's kind of interesting. But I think the other thing that either consciously or subconsciously near death experience taps into forest is because we are emeged in this. Materialistic science as we know it driven culture, it gives us a certain confidence to kind of leave that aside and say, now wait a minute. You can't get past this. This person was dead. Their brain was not functioning in the way that you said brains are supposed to function and they had it. I think for me. There's a certain scienc- kind of confidence in the near death experience science that is satisfying. Do you feel any of that? I don't wanna put words at all, but absolutely. I mean, what how what I would add to that is that for me? You know, the idea all the data the data when it comes to near death experiences is more clear in my view. If you if you gather all the data in the room, like from transit, transects, or from mystical experiences from other kinds of experiences in the same room and. Gathered those together with your experiences as a whole. I think that clarity that comes shines through your experiences is much more for Matt and not just the fact that we're talking about people who have died and left their bodies for the most part in near death experience. You know, lastly talking about someone has died and left, there by which is different than a psychic who is still in their body. Directly connected to their physical by their ego, structures, personnel, and so forth. But in addition to that, you have remarkable testimonies of healings, verifiable healings of taking place, much in a much greater degree in your experiences than these other types of experiences that will, we, if people report, and I'm not saying, there's no value and all the experience. I think they're fantastic personal transformative value in the other kinds of extremes. Is that human beings? Have by as of body of were as a whole, I think near death experiences. Give us a clear, a clear insight into the forces at work in the week. And learn more on, okay? David, you sent me this book the purpose of life as revealed by near death experiences from around the world and you recommended to me and to any reader to sip in savor it bit by bit. That's kind of what I've done. I kinda read until I cry which minds up about three or four pages because I'm not a super crying kinda person, but these accounts as anyone knows who has dipped into him. They just touch us in a way, but you've done more than that with the book as well. You've kind of touched on some other areas in topics within this near death. Experience thing that need to be talked about, we'll tell us what your try. To do with the book, and what people are gonna find when they get. Okay, what I was what I'm trying to do with the book is I sent a pass for five years looking at all kinds of experiences and info kissing civically on near death experiences for the reason that just mentioned. So what I've tried to do with the is, is elected gather the best of the best stories, come across in this, you know, search down on them together in one place where. If a person wants to okay, look person asks, what are near death experiences about what are the main things they have to teach us. And then with me, the main focus, the on as practical application. What can we learn from these experiences that we can practically apply to our everyday lives? Well, here's a book that will help you understand the power the instructive clear power, these stories authoress on so that and not just that. That's the big picture. What are, what are those David? What are those, what would you say are two or three of the big takeaways, that you can say, in terms of, hey, this is how you should live your life based on this information. Right. Well, of course, the biggest takeaway is love is really what it's all about. We're here to become more loving and present with. While I guess, the name thing I would say that I've learned from your experiences in the main thing. Thank you. Is it it's not just about love generally is about love and very specific forms. Meaning learning how to love every single person thing we encounter in our life, and that includes the people, we encountered on a day-to-day basis. The cashier at the store. It includes the plants and animals that we, you know, aren't relationship with it includes the environment, includes our bodies ourselves, our minds or emotions includes outreach thing that is the main Russ of what near death experiences are I've late trying to teach us that life is about love, and we're here to learn how to express love to everyone everything polluting ourselves that we come in contact with in this experience. But whenever somebody says something like that it's kind of it almost sounds trite. You know. I mean so compared to what David compared to what? Okay. Love, everybody love everything. Love everyone until the curly baba being. Compared to what who is trying to do that extent? Well, I think probably there's a lot of people that are not focus on loving others or loving your arm. Does give you tangible examples of what does that mean a practical application and book is full of stories where people are encountering, for example, unloving action. What, what is was an absolutely where the great stories has to do with Kenneth ring in his talking about near death experience or that he knew where he was living life review? And what had happened in his case is used writing down the road in pick. Somebody was walking cross cross law who got in his way interrupted, his as we stop the got out and beat the guy. And then during his leg review, he was able to experience that situation from the perspective of the other person, but not just from the perspective, actually, in their body experiencing everything that happened. How many times he was hit how he felt about this. Interaction. And so the book is full of stories like this eliciting, what love looks like impractical application Zana's, your question. It does. But we're meandering into the contradictions right? So a love that story, by the way, and I think it's, it's gut wrenching, even as you tell it again. It's gut wrenching to think that I might have to experience everything that I've done both positive and negative from another perspective. And that I always thought this was the key thing about the near death experience science. If you will the compilation of that. Data. It's telling me that I will be the one who will judge that the re that I experienced on a twenty four seven voice inside my head. I'm not going to get away from that. That's going to be the voice that's going to be the me. That is now standing judgment. God isn't gonna stand a judgment. Jesus isn't going to stand judgment LA Buddha. Fill in the blank. They're not going to stand in judgment that voice. That's right now inside my head is going to stand. Not even in judgment, just gonna stand there in observe, what that means. And what that could mean in the same way that I could go learn something now and understand what it means in my life. What do you understand kind of where I'm going with that? Right. I would say it a little differently light. It's the way that near death experiences classically tackle. This is it's not so much intellectual observation exercises. Actually, you're literally, you are the other person you are the other creatures. You've interacted with in your experiencing how you're treating them from their perspective as them so this role in the body of the other person experience in that forces, much more educational than just observing whatever may be happening. So the lesson from that is number one that we're all connected in life together. And we're we are responsible for the wave that we're interacting with each other so much. So the actually will have the experience of being the other people in beings relationship with and that. Kind of segues into another thing on top of wall. What does love love liking practical application? And one of the main things that is very eliminating surprising from near death. Experiences is focus on the little things, the little interactions, little words, we say, little things we forget, an overlook having profoundly significant impact on the life that were interacting with so Bessette calling for us, not just to be sloppy with okay. All the a loving person generally with we actually have two of the anti to where we're becoming more conscious of every interaction where having is having an effect upon the rest of the universe, and often, it's the smallest things that we do in, in the course of the conversation is saying, some kind or mean remark that ends up turning out to be this hugely impactful thing. So that kind of rose the whole loving others into like a whole new perspective. At least for me is like, wow. I didn't realize that my actions hat were that significant, especially the seemingly small incident ones. You know, put a pin in this as well, because whenever one someone starts going down the path of up the ante in terms of what I have to do that seems to stand completely at odds with what I'm the overall message that I'm taking away from all this, which we can have a good discussion about a healthy discussion about. I don't have to do anything, you know, I don't think God is standing in judgment of me, and is demanding that I do anything and I think that's a huge shift that I would avoid making because I think it leads us down some paths that we can look at. And at least. Say that doesn't collectively feel right to the overall mission. And so as we talk about purpose as we talk about meaning as we talk about takeaway lessons, one of the things that I think, is a good way to start is to say, what are some ideas that we can maybe dispel, or, or say, you know, from the little shreds of information, we're getting back from collecting about this, this was what doesn't seem to be well supported in the data. So I'm gonna stick a pin in the you know, here's what you should do. The Anne in and switch over to the other side with that, and maybe touch on some points that are beautifully covered in your excellent website, where you tackle these issues and you have great titles to him, and I'd start with this one shifting gears, a little bit, how to deal with skeptics. And eighth Theus tes. Because I think this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about where the data is our friend here, but is so stacked on one side that it really can help us in terms of how we deal with those folks who just are completely in denial about this or are firmly attached to the idea that it, it couldn't be true because, hey, they understand that there couldn't possibly be God. So tell us about how to deal with skeptics in Theus. Well, that's another big topic. I mean I would start with the. I see it as my job at the job of anyone else in early convert Scott Ceric. Yes, I think that everyone is on their own journey through life. And you know, it's important to be respectful in disrespectful of that young. Ever on articles on this, and your very there, well written because they're hard hitting in. They get right to the point of saying, here's the date of the only way you can your position is to step past all this data. Well, what I'm saying that I think are general posture towards everyone should be one of loving, and trying to understand you weren't of the person's coming from will being blown China shop look. I'm going to convert you tell you this is what you need to know. That said, if you have people that receptive to wanting to find out what the data says there, the data as you said, is overwhelming. I mean, there's just no there's no question anymore about is there life after death this consciousness after this or more to life than what we during this interior world? And there's a section I have on NHL these Omya website that is. Full of all these different resources to tackle that issue from multiple perspectives. So I encourage anyone who wants to know more about the data the proof that exists in support of consciousness, continuing to his that page, and maybe a Lincoln included in the city. That books can go to take a look at there's just remarkable overwhelming evidence. It's I don't even. Even talk about that anymore because it's, it's point in my mind of what's the dense or laugh like after its new point here. Here's the ADA overwhelming, I gotta persist on this little bit further because one of the things we talked about for this was Michael Shurmur. And I was telling you, hey, here's a link to the interview I just did brother recently with Shurmur, and it's one of I think I've done three with them. And I said, he's one of my favorite frenemies because he does have a certain style about him. That makes these kind of dialogues entertaining in you shot back and said, you know, I can't stomach seeing the guy or listening to the guy, and I get that. I totally get that, too. I just think we need to become a more kind of real about it in terms of why it pisses us off so much and I can just start with myself, and that's just to say, you know, I feel for people who have been social. Engineered mind controlled into this biological robot meaningless universe shit, and it gets drummed in from the time they go to school, and it's dropped in every time they turn on the mainstream news, and you can trace the history of near death experience and you can see every time a significant study comes out. There's this just barrage of quote, unquote skeptical, but it's not skeptical. It's coming from a different place. It's coming from. Don't go there. Don't explore what you might really be kind of thing. And Michael Shurmur is either a useful idiot in that process or is a player in that process. So I think we do need to kind of understand that and provide somewhat of a counter to that, that goes beyond, just, of course, we should glove. Everyone and the way I also also look at it as we should be entertained by everyone Mike rivers entertaining. What role? He's. To play in this. Is supposed to play some role in it surely rear that. I guess what I would say about that. Alex is what's up setting about the Michael Shurmur skeptic person is their refusal to look at the data? I mean, I just think that, that if you're gonna be in my in my view, if you're going to be true skeptic, that means you really look at the data, you're, you're looking at the data, where say to support this, or that you actually have to look at the data to make that decision. You can't just say this data is not in my particular world. You therefore it can't come in the room and we're not going to consider that or this wasn't make sense. And I really don't want to talk about a young to bring it in the room, and you have to have if you're again, being up a true skeptic, you have to you have to have the answers for why you have shared death experiences. For example, why blind people can see, you know, in your death experiences? Why have these miraculous? Healings why? What is terminal acidity about you have to have explanations? If you're going in, you have to know about the day and bring into the room veal to discuss some might issue with a lot of the scout Dicks in votes out there today is they don't they don't know about the data and they don't bring in the data in discuss. It, you know, full on why, why do you think that is why does that exist? Why is it so prevalent? Among certain group of well, why do people fall for easily? My view is that is like is facing people have their own mindsets in worldviews set in and they have a comfortable life or more or less comfortable, I built around that. And to bring in some of the data that I'm talking about with completely challenged. Materialistic humanistic worldviews. And, you know, that's just something most of us are designed to do don't after you spend a lifetime. Building a world. You that allows you to operate in the world. The last thing you wanna do is let things in the room that's going to tear that apart. So I understand why people are defended about things like that. I can see reflections in my own life of having the same thing where I built certain patterns had certain ideas in my life that I thought were true. I built my life around those and I was bended against data. That suggested I was wrong about that. And in the end when I did open the door for that new day to come into the room. It did dismantle a lot of the things that I thought, and I did have to rebuilt my life in a new way. So I think that it's partially that I think it's also partly developmental that it takes a certain kind of flexibility and maturity to be able to, you know enter into the wild west of near death experiences. And, you know, spirituality this, like, not a it's not a world like this material. World is. It's like there are so many strange and quantum physics like issues that operate in this world that it's much easier to stay somewhere else where everything is so cutting Brian mixes, let's hone in on that for a minute. David specifically, what do you think are some of the challenges to that paradigm shift because I think what you described, and you described it really well, is something that a lot of folks go through, and I certainly have gone through it, but in talking to people that have listened to the show, so so many people have gone through it. What are your think we're holding onto with this belief system that most of us have engrained in? Why are we holding onto it so firmly because at another level, you know, when you look at what the message is that you're saying is coming through from the near death experience science. It seemed like a very attractive alternative. What is it? That makes not seem as tractive to us at that time. Why is it such a huge shift for so many of us? Well, again, I, I think it was down to that we've created a world that were comfortable in that are eagles are comfortable, and where we can be ause of our own world's the master of our own worlds, and the things that we learned from near death experiences challenge that whole system. It's not just about us. There actually are other forces at, at life that are bigger that, that we have to contend with. And I've, I want what you think. After all the interviews you've done why you think people are so stop or attached to materialistic world, which, which your opinion on that you deal allow more with the scientific minded folks than I do. And I'm wondering what what your answer is question fear, you know, I think it is exactly what you said, spin it slightly differently. I've constructed a reality that allows me to avoid the things that I'm afraid of and allows me to hold onto the things that make me feel less afraid you hand. I'm so built around those two not getting what I don't want and trying to get what I want that. I just live in constant fear and any thought of just jumping outside of that is just really hard hard to get in that space. And maybe there's a component there, too. If you have a mindset. Stilt on immature universe, and your the, the mini God. That's in charge of it. There is a, a lot of focus on your the one that has to maintain control the soul you. There are. No external forces irritable forces angels. God. Jesus, whatever that can help you deal with this. You are alone, you know in your universe. So it puts a lot of pressure on us to I think that we have to maintain this, or, it's all on the drain, you know, we can't kinda void some of the religious overtones because they keep popping up in a way that is just challenging interesting. Let's talk about God. It's something you talk about a number of different ways. We should start with what we think. We mean by God. But no, let's start with a different point. Let's start with Dr Jeff along who is. I've been on the show several times. And you do a beautiful job of representing his work understanding his work studying his work. And the wind data point, we can kind of throw in people's face there, is that Jeff long, of course, is this radiation oncologist in Louisiana, who I always love, you know, the synopsis of his story. He's a he's becoming a physician, you know, and he's going through all his coursework, and he's studying he comes across. He's cases and he goes, wow. You know, this person came back from the dead from clinical death, and he goes to his colleagues, he says, what about this, and they're like, hey man, just I'm studying for the test one, you know, don't don't worry about that kind of thing is what do you mean? Don't worry about it. It's kind of fundamental, but he, he kinda plows through, and he becomes a very successful doctor. But he hasn't his mind that this is important in a, a love because I think it relates to people like you and I who, who just won't let go stuff and. Say no, no wait a minute. I'm pretty sure that the ignoring of this is not a good idea. So Jeff long does that. And he writes, a New York Times, bestselling book, compiles largest database of scientifically controlled survey of near death experiences. But then he writes, this second book and in the second book, he goes right to the God thing and he doesn't do it for himself. He does it with these people have had near death experiences. Any says is their God. Is there a moral imperative to this is there a hierarchy to this extended consciousness that you're seemed to be placed into after having these near-death experience? And they say absolutely all over the place. They say it in as a matter of fact, he says it severely under reported by near death experience researchers and that God is actually more highly reported than the whole tunnel thing. Right. So our whole share death experiences. You go through. This light a tunnel. He said, hey, I'm sorry. Look at the data the data. That's their, the tunnel is no doubt there in a large number of cases. But God is there even more. So I don't know what that means and I'm not a religious person. I'm not Christian but I do think like you said following the data with regarded near death experience does bring us to God, moral imperative hockey of consciousness, however, you want to say it so let that be a launching point for any thoughts you have about the God issue. Well, the first huge sought for me is, how is it that we're like forty plus years into modern near death experience research. How is it that it's taken all this time for a researcher, like Jeff long to come out and actually knowledge the central role that God. Plays in these experiences. Why has it been ignored overlook or overlooked by researchers all issues? I think it has to do with the materialistic culture that were in the materialistic way that science is kind of forced to look at everything that it's just too hot topic for a credible needs stream scientists to take up because they're such a scientific bias against God and other spiritual things are just too hot topic to, you know, engage until just the last couple of years. So I think there are other topics like that as well, that really have been Noord grievously with serious consequences were just beginning to come around and try to another words. The stories themselves have been here for us. All these years they've been being collected in being analyzed database archive. And study. But we're just now at the point where beginning to drill into some of the bigger like Jeff did on this particular topic. Hey guys. Just to make a note of this. There's this guy presence, that's really dominant in these experiences, we need to acknowledge that and do something with it. Right. And let's drill into that a little bit more because as you say, it is under reported in under analyzed, if you will. So what these people are consistently saying in a number of different ways from wide variety of different religious or non religious backgrounds. They're saying in the term I always slip into to avoid some of the baggage that goes along with God is a hierarchy of consciousness, so they're there and they say, hey, there was definitely this power, this spiritual force, and it was way beyond whatever I've experienced as my ego myself. I am, however, you want to put that in any kind of none dual or religious thing they go, no. No, no, no, no, no. It was separate from that in it was higher than that. And let me ask you is there anything as, as a starter that we need to add to that? Because let's also knowledge that is a lot for people to swallow. It is gonna really that statement along is gonna piss people off in really send them rocking because we've kind of constructed all these different spiritual realities that says, no, it's just kind of this immortal kind of consciousness and we're all floating drops of ocean and Trump's of water in the ocean, which may be true on some level, too. But I'm just saying this data comes through, and clearly says something different that I think we have to deal with what are your thoughts on that or additions that you'd have to that? Well, what I would add to that is, first of all, not everyone has an account with a. A personal on the other side. I mean, the majority of people report that but many people do not many people have more generic, you know, loving, you know, more along the lines of some of the eastern traditions of, you know, cosmic consciousness being one with the universe failing ourselves to be one or. And so on a significant portion of these experiences reports of preying on in some form form of alight. Usually the way that most people experiences, but it's definitely a distinct being different from one cell yet connected to oneself. That is a dentist by is our creator. But then it goes step further like it's not just there doing nothing just emoting love, like the sun, it's actually actively engaged in our lives, and that traces back you look at, you know, again, Jesus comes up in that context where you have hit the way he described his relationship or talked about it is, you know, Papa personal relationship with this supreme being that is active in our world in our lives. So near death experiences honor the whole gamut they honor the personal God thing that many. Many people report, they also honor of people not having an encounter with the supreme being like that. It's more of just encountering the universe as everything's alive in its full of love. And so there's all kinds of different elements involved with this particular topic, and one of the elements that you just talked about, and let's rest here for a second. Is this idea of agency being able to affect this world if you will? And this kind of ties back to what we're talking about with Edgar Casey stuff, right? Because you can come at this agency thing from a number of different paranormal extended consciousness angles. So let me make sure I'm not just doing word salad here that no one can out. Edgar Casey is transcending our space time reality in every way that w sets kind of indisputable we we have no way. No other way of explaining. Ng what he's doing how he's getting a letter from Omaha in saying cookout to the drugstore that seven miles away, and on the third shelf in the back that transcends our understanding of space time. It's completely outside of our reality. So he's there it, he's then this is the important part, he is affecting this reality in that we can't even understand that we can get into kind of scifi kind of, you know, back to the future. If you change the time line how to there's a whole bunch of questions about that. Then there's a whole bunch of questions about that of, you know can only good effect that or combat affect that, too. Can you curse we up that whole thing, but now we switch back over here to what you're talking about. And we say now we have what is being presented as some kind of, if there is this hierarchy it's, it's known to us through the experience. To be way up there, and it's saying, oh yeah, by the way, I have agency. I have ability to affect your life, and we, if you will accept the evidence, we have some evidence of that, right? Because they crack and they do things they heal people. They, they say you will be healed after this. They say, oh, unfortunately, you will be healed after this. But unfortunately your son will die, you know, as a as a teen and all these things become true or, you know all these things. So I'm just trying to frame him up what we're talking about in some of the problems and challenges of where we go with this information, because if we are stuck in this time space reality, that is a small portion of consciousness. Then let circle back and ask the question of what are we supposed to do with this information, that is outside of that can be really use it in the way that we want to? Back to the whole purpose of your book. Can we really say that these things are? So just because we're down here in the bigger thing is out there. Now of I'd lost the thread. You know what I mean? Yeah. Let me all comment on. Davis thing were gave a great analogy for this idea of the invisible worlds constantly, influencing and being part of our normal world material were unaware of them in the example, that he gave the analogy gate was the microscope. You know, we for a long time, we had no concept of what the cells in our body looked like until the microscope was developed in all said, you can drill down on my gosh. There's cells Nak Tyrian biases. And there's all these invisible beings that are operating in our physical universe that we were completely unaware of until the microscope was developed. So the actually see these these days existed, and they were actually affecting our physical world, the point being than in the same way, that microscope allows us to see these hidden forces in the material world. There's a spiritual. That also is constantly interacting with us, which we are unaware of. All but we can see the impact of their presence. And of course, if you follow the data, again, the stories are legion about encounters that, people have with angels of other kinds of spiritual forces that, you know, he'll them or give them answers or a dream, or whatever it might be. So the point being that the data the stories are legion. They're everywhere, all around us, even though from scientific of point of view, we haven't been able yet to develop something allows us to tangibly CD's forces in work at work in this world. Right. But even if we were able to see those forces at work, we still have just an endless number of questions about what kind of conclusions. We could draw on that. It's back to the shut up and calculate stuff. We're talking now through all this technology that relies on these very fixed laws being in place in opera. Rating reliably and they fricken do, and we can't get past that. So it's hard for us. I would say impossible for us to imagine from the data, what that interaction is because it doesn't seem to make any sense. And then I would also say that I would jump over to our friends who are in the left hand path, which is kind of misunderstood. And I'm not a left hand path person but I appreciate many the aspects about it, and they say so wait a minute. Why are we limited than to only looking at the forces that manifest in a certain way? And I guess what I'm saying is what you're gonna call this kind of church -i good stuff. Why don't we look at the full spectrum of forces that are impacting our world? And let's take a step back from the highly judgmental. You know, this is good or bad, because we're living in a world of contradictions were living in this. This manifest destiny. United States kick ass. Take names conquer everybody. And then, you know, enslave, everybody. But then be higher in better than there's contradictions everywhere. We look so let's unpack that and chat about that for a minute. Well, I think the main thing here recently that comes up to me when you're saying that is, yes, in the same way that we have spiritual forces that are unseen. We have the demonic forces evil forces dark forces that are working our world. And those also needs to be factored in and need. We need to step into that whole Rena. And that's another arena that the near death. Experience movement has a whole has not really come to terms with in the same way that this personal thing is just urging on the scene as a of books are being written about it. Finally, we haven't really dealt with the reality. Of help and hellish experience and demonic spirits and Wessel about how do they in? How can we houses that within the grand scheme of things? The purpose of life was all that about. And that's that's entering that. I think we really need to know more about, and it has very, very tangible practical application in our everyday life. Okay. You've kind of right into one there in terms of the hill thing, let's talk about that you have an article on your website. It has probably the most comprehensive collection. I've seen of these hellish at experiences and they really grab people. They really grab a lot of people very interested in this topic. Some of the highlights that you point out from your data is that they are significantly under reported again by. As much as we like to praise this research, they seem to kind of want to dance around this issue and just under report it. They saw Assad is, it's not just the researchers problem is also a problem with the way our cultures designed that people are stigmatized, if they have this experience and they don't wanna talk about. Okay. Fair enough. But man, it's just wear people go with this. I think is really challenging as well challenge you. That's such a soft word, it's really difficult to because it brushes right up against some other shit that I know is fake and false from not don't know it's fake and false. But in the same way, in the same way that we can say, you know what the atheist dick, you're a biological robot in a meaningless universe that data hasn't just been falsified. It's Ben purposely insisted medically. Fed into the system for particular reason, there's really no other way for me to interpret that data because it's such a stupid idea. You know, it just is the your consciousnesses an allusion. We can break that down. And it's a silly idea. But in the same way, some of the Christian and other religious dogma bullets focus on the Christian dogma is completely corrupt and his falsifiable in a number of ways, and has been deeply destructive to allot groups and a lot of people and I'm not telling you anything that we haven't had an Email exchange about already. But, you know if you wanna go way back. Oh back to Constantine, the father, what a corrupt individual, what a corrupt system to that he put in place called the Catholic church in three hundred whatever it was in slaves. All these people takes way, all their power and really just substitute it with this church that has. Perfect reflection of the Roman church. But then fast forward with everything all the eagles, we've seen with Christianity, right up to the current pedal, pope in the sex scandal. And yet, you're asking us to read the bible, and use the bible as this fundamentally uncorrupted source of truth. The seems to be a real real mismatch there, and it is gonna rile a lot of people when they hear you talk about the way you do about hell, and that we should literally understand these hellish experiences to be as they're described in the bible, and all the rest of that. On american. Let me clarify you're talking about there. First of all, where I'm coming from is data and in this case, big data. So I'm not talking about only Christian. Experiencing Christian reports of the hellish rounds. I'm talking about that. You're, you're eighth Theus on the corner who ends up in hellish route. Or let's go back to Plato and talk about what, you know, there was a guy then it was called earth who was a soldier who had in your experience player talked about recording in Republic. He had part of his near death experience vision of the hellish round. So hell and hellish domains and realms do are not owned by Christians. The fact, one of the there's a fantastic book just been published recently by Buddhist American Buddhist talked about his experience as Buddhist. Fizzing kanter's Intourist. They will say on it to the hellish realms by the Buddha. Hell. So this is not just a Christian phenomena. Versing is important to separate hell from Christianity. This is collected human experiences happened throughout the ages. And the second thing the to begin to take a look at health from through the window of the big data. Let's get all these stories together. Put him on the table. Let's do it. We can to strip out the culture. The inappropriate started Inculturation of the various people that are coming to table with these stories. And let's see if we can identify the core truce that run throughout him that we need to learn from and apply to whatever to our particular light into our particular culture. That's what I'm talking about. And that's by the way. That's what the resource stage on the formula website that deals with hell gives a broad perspective of these experiences from all over the place. Not just visions. Okay. With. With you acertain extent. But I think we gotta do a little reality check. I wanna play a couple of these clips that I got from sid Roth an interesting televangelist, converted Jewish guy. Not that, that makes any difference. But it does make a difference that he came to Christianity, not from his cultural background, but, you know, he is brought up in the Jewish tradition. And some Christian guy comes along, though, it's got to be Jesus, and he goes, he has his personal experience with Jesus. And then Jesus leads him to Christianity. And here he is leading a bunch of other people onto what hell Israel L about now, you are about to know what hell has purposely kept hitting from you. It's hells fast kept secret. There he goes half, but near two thousand. You were at rock bottom, how bad was. I was so depressed. I had planned my suicide different times, and my life just didn't feel ahead hurt and pain rejection inside of me. And I didn't know what to do with it. No. But person there who were going to hear more from in a minute is her name is Laura Dadi inches written, this book about her hellish experience. And there's some really important things that I think we can add to our conversation in a super interesting level three kind of skeptical way. One is the experience that she's about to describe, and it is terrifying. And I just have a small clip from the overall thing is just more terrifying than the worst horror movie ever seen. But this was an experience that was not through near death experience, but was through what we would normally, call a paranormal experience yet again this base time shit. Interesting that she was at an evangelical retreat. I mean, the one thing I get from this story is the sounds like a woman of virtuous woman, who's living a good life into all the right things. And yet she visits hell and she has his experience, and it's a whole experience that only lasts a few seconds. She wakes up kind of where she's passed out in the retreat, but let's get onto her experience. Let me play that for you to always be pain into know that it was it kept ramping up. And it was going to keep getting worse and worse and worse. It was never going to end. That was the thing. It wasn't like could reach a pentacle in hell. It worked the same as in heaven, my full brain operated, and I knew I knew all of Matthew eighteen I knew every scripture that I'd ever read, I've read the whole bible. I knew every scripture that I've ever read in it made complete sense, and it was completely righteous that I was in hell. And there were people there just like me. Jesus is Lord refused to bang him. They say we love you, we love you, but this country's teach if you love me, then I'll be me. And I think that's why so many people are a little bit taken aback by these hellish accounts that come through from fundamentalist, Christians. So. Say about I was going to ask you can you can you elaborate on what you mean by that. Are you talking about the Jesus part or you talking about her experience in hell? Her conclusion from it. It's incredibly powerful testimony. But her vision about to me for my interpretation of the near death. Experience data. It's starkly in contrast of what near death experience. Researchers tell us go. Listen, my interview with Jeff launch said, exactly the opposite. He says, compiled all looked at all of it. There is an infinitely loving, God, not there to punish us not there to demand that we follow his creed. He says, all that does not come through in the day to as a matter of fact, he says that the data contradicts that conclusion and yet she is entitled experience. I'm not taking that away. But I'm just saying in this game of. Trying to figure out again from the wrong end of the telescope what's really going on in this extended consciousness realm. If we're going to play the game. We're gonna follow the data. This isn't the data. Well, I would I would suggest first of all, just to be clear your readers understand Jeffrey long history. History, search very much supports the idea that there are these hellish realms. In fact, here's a quote from him and says, quote the most frightening things that I've encountered in my life or not from fictional books, or staring movies, but from near death experiences with hellish content. So he's not saying there's no hell, he's, he's just saying that, you know, God is not sending people to hell, which is a common theme among near death experiences as a whole. I think they're saying something different. I think they're saying something else, and this is where it's hard because people are going to have to make their own opinion on this. But the way I read this data is. There are a lot of scary movies out there. It Hugh may have to watch a scary movie that may be on your path to help your overall learning in guiding of your soul to where it needs to be. Don't take the fucking scary movie too seriously because if it is a lesson. And I don't like that word. But if that's the meaning of it, don't go off in interpreted as some kind of reality, or you've lost the path again, because you do have to pick up, and you do have to tomorrow comes, and you have to do the best you can, and you have to Connor other people who even though they seem evil or satanic or whatever the hell, you think they're doing the best vacation, and they're trying to figure things out and they're making horrible mistakes, and horrible decisions. But God doesn't love them any less than he loves you at. He isn't waiting to. Fuck it punish them as soon as he gets their hands on them all that. I think I not only believe that I believe that because that's what the data comes through over and over again and says, and that's why I guess what I'm saying about Jeff long is yet. What you said is technically true, but his overall conclusion is that is not a judgmental place. It's not anything to be feared. It's part of your souls experience. It's a small movie that you will walk into walk out of. Realtor, your me point? I think what's happening here is that we're confronted using Christian extreme typical Christian experiences of hell, what we're confronted with his are these, you know, experiences like the one you to share, and the way that I've come to understand it as you have to separate the big picture, which is what you just shared everything is wonderful universities. Experiences a hellish experiences exist. They come in. Go don't get too excited about him. You know, and there's a bunch of things could say about that. But drilling down into it. You have these what, what would you say about that? What would you say about that, David, I'm very interested? What would you say about that? What would I say? Exactly that, yes, they're there. But they come in go the universe is perfect. It's all love so don't get too hung up on it. What would you say? Well, I would say that I mean, I understanding of hell hell. Experiences is that I would be us a big word here, I would say that they're fundamentally apart of the overall experience. You take hell and what hell and hellish experience represent out of the equation. And you basically the system collapses. It's the whole system. This whole creative creation, experience, at least as we experienced in this world is built in part on challenging conflict hellish tight experiences. Of course, we have them all over the world in this world. We have many versions of hell many, you know, in North Korea, wherever all around the world fame selves out right now in this world. So this whole idea of hell is a fundamental part of the whole systems about that said, I think you taking a step further back, people universally report when they have these near death experiences and they get into a place where eighty. Come one with Garfield himselves too big and know all things understand all things. They look upon the whole picture. They universally describe it as like wonderful spectacular astonishing. Everything is in its perfect place. Everything is beautiful everything serves the whole. So I think hell needs to be looked at from that perspective. Yes. Hell exists it exists just as real as this world does because this role also is a dream world is created by mental constructs various times. But that said it plays a part in the overall scheme of things that needs to be honored recognize me joinder stand it. So we can know how to live our lives in a balance more healthy fashion, as I see. That's, that's totally cool. It you've done a ton of awesome research, and anyone who goes to your website, read your book will see how you break this down. Approach from an incredibly open minded, inclusive ways. So you are not a dog Matic guy, and I really respect it. You are doing truth seeking of the highest order. So now we're having this kind of level, three discussion where we can, you know slightly disagree on things that no one ever gets too, because they get totally caught up in the stupid. You know, does it exist? Sid Roth you're gonna burn in hell, kind of stuff and you're not saying that you're saying understand acknowledged it, and I'm saying we're never going to understand it. So that's off the table. And I'm saying any lessons we take from it. We should be incredibly humble about holding onto those lessons too much. You know, the analogy I would make you said, you have four kids, I have four kids wonderful. You know, we all love our kids. We all learn from our kids. We all are incredibly challenged by our kids. If you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about. Everyone of. My kids needs different kind of love in different kind of discipline, and some of them need a hellish experience in order to learn a lesson, another one doesn't need any of that ever to learn the lesson, they're just either because of their soul of their makeup or whatever I gotta believe for me. That's closer to what this is about. So I don't understand it as a quote unquote, reality more, as something that I may need as part of my, the term soul's journey to more broadly understanding all that, I can be what do you think about that? Well, I, I think exactly true. And that's the way I think that these experiences, a specially the dramatic Jesus save me Jesus as the Lord of the world you can't get out of hell without his health. Stories. That's the way to understand, and the correct way to understand is that it's a developmental thing. We all need different things, and people that, are there, actually, there are actually near death experiences. I mean these are really rare that don't have love mentioned in them at all. It's more an Old Testament type experience like there's one Jewish in particular has tastic near-death experience. That is just steeped with Jewish classic Jewish Old Testament, imagery and experiences. And I think that a part of near death experiences are also developmental. It's not just a you go to these realms that exist, independent of yourself, but it's actually you're helping create them. And you go to the Browns hell or otherwise that are reflective of your particular state of consciousness, your particular needs at the time in the same way you just described how our children all have different needs. I think that's exactly what's happ. Happening with these these Christian experiences than hell that they this is what they need to help them up. And if you go back to the to the store, you played and actually listen to all the way through lorries encounter of hell, you see that she's got a lot of the basic elements, right? Like, for example, she concludes at the end. What was the term, they're reusing about the secret of hell, in secret basically, was once saved always say, you know, the normal Christian mentality it if you're saying by Jesus, once you're always saved by Jesus. That's the conspiracy of health part of it is that that's not true. You actually have to responsible for all your actions in your in. You can't just a eighty Christian or Sunday Christian, you have to Christian all the time. So I think the messages from these experiences, including all the drama in tear that come with some of them are meticulously. Early designed for the ticket person question and that includes the particular group of people that, that particular person belongs to. So lower comes back with her experience, her experience has not only give them to her personally. But then she's given a mandate go back until the people what you experienced in her case, it's her Christian mainstream Christian people. So these are the lessons they need to learn in the whip that they need to learn it in dramatic judgmental believe in Jesus, or you go into help highway, that's what they need an eye on the interview you did with bravery should shine his name correctly. Right. One point you asked him about do you find love is love the main message that you find throughout history and all these various experiences that have come down through the ages. His answer was, well, not exactly. I need it's not so much. I love but it's more the idea of these cultures are being led step by step to improve themselves to become better to become more loving, but they're not specifically at least at that time given the love mandate. And so I see the same thing happening with these kinds of experiences that Chris, plastic, Christian folks report. They're given what they need to make the steps that they need to make once they've made those steps, which includes having a God's gonna rain, tear down the I don't you know, learn my lessons once you master, whatever, is associated without particular Old Testament mentality. Then you move onto the next one where that fear, God, you know, begins, the dissol and WorL overtly loving God begins to shine. It's like your developing aspects of yourself and you're also letting things go that, you know, animal sacrifices whatever you're letting things. Go that, you know, no longer need to. Because you run in ways that, you know, you weren't when the experience first place. That's awesome. And I love this discussion, and we've had a number of discussions on this show about the nature of evil. And I think it's kind of really, really important fundamental issue that I think is up heart of this question that we're kicking around in a way and because we do see a horse in the world that we can't. Process in the normal way. I always go to the either the satanic ritual abuse ritualistic satanic abuse a particularly the abuse of children, you know, and the sex trafficking, and, you know, five year old kids being molested, and as a parent, you know, that person is then destroyed for life and their families. Right. And then they're killed and putting a snuff, film. And, you know all this horrible stuff that we know goes on. And if you don't think it goes on be brave enough to take a Big Joe and do the research and it's just they're much more prevalent on a worldwide basis than any of us want to acknowledge, but it's there, it's there, it's there still the reason I always bring that up is because it really gets to the core of it for both. Most of us we go. Okay. That's evil. You know, I don't know if drones striking Yemen Yemenis wedding. Is evil? It sounds like fricken evil but I'm not sure there's political complexity to it. But you know what? Ab- ducting that little kid from a playground torturing him in killing him. That's evil. What's the nature of that evil and one of the best answers I ever got? I think was from guy friend of mine. Connor Abib who's been on the show and has kind of an interesting background that we won't get into. But one of the things is big Rudolf Steiner fan. And he says, you know how Rudolf Steiner approaches that he says, look, there's evil and we all know it's there and we're all tap into that at different times. We make poor decisions. We have a moment of weakness or a moment of greed, or whatever it is. We tap into that. You can do that at you can do that over and over again in your life. Ed, you will have any life, and then you'll die and you will come back and you may choose to do that again. And you may choose to do that again. And again. And again, in it may be a process, where your choice leads you to do a lot of this stuff. But if we get past the idea that you have to pay for it that you're somehow piling up these incredible karmic debts. I think there's another way to look at it. And that is that we all learn in different ways at different speeds, and that light is always shining that we can always look to. It's just a choice that we make. So I see it as an addition by subtraction kind of thing, not that we're constantly compelled to chewed, try with all our might to do the right thing. All's we have to do is look up because the sun is always shining and other this a little preachy, but I don't mean it to be. I think we're talking about a philosophical difference. In terms of the lessons, we can take away from this and the lesson I take away. From it is, in addition by subtraction. God, the light the hierarchy of consciousness is always there. If you choose to ignore it, that's just your choice. And there's a lot easier way. And that's just go towards it, and that to me, seems what comes through is the lesson for me. And all this d have any thoughts on the nature of evil and how to get out of it. And whether we have some karmic debt to pay in order to get out of it. Well, the way that I would frame, what you just said. Alex is I would how I understand your experience is that there are two massive life changing life changing forces that we see represented in the potty as a whole and the first one is encounters with the light. And that's you know, everyone describes as completely life-changing, and that represents the aspect of, of near death experiences that deal with God loves unconditionally. Everything is fine in the universe. Everything is in folding beautifully. Everything is perfect, and that is now to like a one year talking about now that we need to im- by and understand, at some of the mental level the other huge pillar of near death experiences championed by the life review, and that is that we need to be responsible. We are responsible. Like it or not for everything every action we engage in their consequences. We experienced consequences. It's not doing it God reading on judge Alice is we standing in judgment of ourselves. How loving have we been in our life, and we're measured by late life review? So you have these two forces standing side by side. The one loving unconditionally everything is perfect just the way it is. You don't need to do anything God loves us. The rain falls in just the unjust equally, and then the other force, that's holding us accountable for every Stingl and feeling we have, and we experienced the consequences of those feelings as they reverberate throughout the universe. So as I've come to understand what we're after is a marriage of those two perspectives the middle path a very balanced healthy way. And that's that is the magic formula. To bring those into proper balance. So we can actually be engaging us world doing things making positive changes, but the same time, not being overly crazy judgmental condemning of ourselves or others. So I think it's a perfect marriage of those two forces is what we're slumming to learn how to well, if you needed anything more of a recommendation for this book the purpose of life as revealed by near death experiences from around the world by our guest David fellow. Well, if you need more than that, you're not gonna find it that was quite beautifully succinct at well, said, David tell folks about more about your mission your journey, your website, your videos. You've put up there, all that stuff, found, well, basically as this book is the combination of everything I've. I'm trying to do. And by the way, one of the significant things about the book is the book is only half of this story. It's a collection of stories, but at the end of every chapter, there are links, thirty of which take you to the video, the choppers based on so you can watch the experience or tell their story or the researcher say whatever they have seeing chapter. So the companion website to the, you know, is at least half of what you have the book and then addition to that there are various other websites that support all the things of his talking about inklings of the this cover today, like Helen hellish rounds at all about. I'm so my, my main things been trying to understand what life's about. And, and I ended up Ka-sing on you know, when I put all the pieces together near death experiences for me has given me the clearest picture. So I've tried to gather. For the best of the best information available from these experiences and put it out in a way that other people can sink their teeth into so they can apply to their lives and barrier bury a practical as that's what I've been trying to do NAS job of it. And I totally agree with you, that there is something truly unique about what's going on with this near death experience. I don't want to exclude other ways of understanding full spectrum of this consciousness that were a part of, but there's if we are going to take that step and say, we can learn lessons, we can draw conclusions from stuff, Manai Griffin ending es are kind of special place to and Alex, I would agree with you to everything else, all the information also plays a significant role. So that's one of the main themes that I see. In their experiences that everything, everyone has a place in the wire. You know, they all have an honored place in the in the choir unnecessary place, where not complete without all the pieces, and that includes all the other mystical experiences and psychic experiences archaeology and science and anything else. I think of they all belong at the table. They all bring let me, let me say one thing that clarifies the near death experience with a little bit more. My niece one time asked me two years ago. She said, David would with all the research done on all these different spiritual has what is it about near death experiences that you've learned something new didn't you already L this stuff? And my answer was, I learned to thanks from near death experience that I didn't aren't from the other things, the first thing was how to put an not everything's complete, but I basically got a full picture, how all the pieces fit together. For the first time, things didn't really make sense. Couldn't see how all these discordant pieces together and till started sinking my teeth into near death experiences and then they help provide me a blueprint with how the different parts together as like a plane gathering all parts of the plane is sticking them all together. So the plane actually flies just pretends, the flyers as implied in this case, if flies. We haven't Raqi was healings a whole bunch of things to prove that this thing, actually flies. And the second thing was they emphasis that near death experiences give to certain aspects of our life. And how to frame those think about those and the main thing that leads to mind is the idea of the little things in life are the big things that something that you find in other traditions, but near death experiences makes it crystal clear with that actually means practical application. So near death extreme. Have done those two things from me, healthy, all the pieces together to unified whole that make sense to me. Awesome. Absolutely awesome. Well, it's been great David, and I'm sure we'll, we'll stay in touch best of luck with all this terrific work, and thanks again, for joining me on skeptical. Thanks again. Davidson fell for joining me today on skeptical. The one question I'd guest tear up from this interview because we spent so much time on it. What do you make of hellish, dear death experiences, how those fit into your overall worldview, and do you feel like you've been open to exploring that data head on, because it does seem to me that a lot of times wanted to flecked dismiss it, and it can't be this. It can't possibly be that we know all the Christians are full of crap. So it can't be this. So it's just some cultural overlay. I'm worried about some of the assumptions that are being made. I'm worried about the layer of interpretation that's being a. Allied to this data. And at the same time, I think it's really exciting stuff to talk about limit of your thoughts. You can definitely find me on the skeptical forum, but you can also find the other places Email me, if you have a really good answer that question love to hear it of a bunch of interesting shows coming up on skipped co please, stick around for all of that until next time, take care and bye.

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"Support for this podcast come from cdw in. Dell technologies. Betsy WGC we get the migration see to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging like DECAF gotta do it gotTa do it slowdown frowned cdw Jeez experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with Dell EMC solutions that offer speed and agility. Do It have you done it? Is it done yet Netanya RT orchestration by cdw People who get it find out more at CDW? G.. Slash Dell EMC. What's up everybody welcome to show me the meaning wisecracks movie podcast. Name. My name is jared joined here with the wisecracked crew out. Ryan South Film fans and Austin Yoyo. Yoyo today we're breaking down the nineteen ninety nine film South Park bigger longer and uncut directed by Trey Parker starring Trey Parker Matt Stone in Mary Kay Bergman. As always, we're going to go around and get people's first impressions the movie woes alike, the first time you saw this movie perhaps over twenty years ago, and what was it like revisiting it for this podcast, and if you do like the movie, what's your favorite song from the movie Let's start with Austin. Yeah I haven't this literally since like ninety nine. I was I was not a huge south park them. So one of my best friends growing up I was actually like the best man, his wedding I'm the godfather of his first son Danny Danny. If you're listening love you brother Amiss you he was a big Fan of South Park Right. So he was the one that kind of got me into South Park and he was the one that was really encouraging that we had to see this movie because it was uncut and. All the swear words aren't gonNA be bleeped out. So we have to see because we're fucking like teenagers at this point. So it's like, okay cool man you know fucking thirteen year olds walking into this theater. Oh, that's what we used to do we and then this was also the time when I was learning how to buy tickets for PG PG thirteen movies but then you would sneak into the rated R. Film so I don't remember which, Yeah Yeah exactly I don't remember which. which is Great. That's actually like emulated in the film right that they have to get an adult to buy them their tickets. So I don't remember which movie we bought tickets for tickets for something. We did this with Blair witch project to I will. I. Will I will fondly remember that? And we watched the film and it was just so over the top, it was everything we wanted it to be you know as like middle class White Yuppie angsty like he was also the guitar player in my Punk Band that I was in for like eight years that started shortly after the SOS like it just spoke to everything that we were like fuck censorship and all of the parental advisory stickers and I don't have much memory of Tipper Gore and stuff like that. But I do vaguely vaguely vaguely vaguely remember this parental advisory thing being a debate at the time I was probably just not socially attuned. But so I remember it just spoke to pretty much all of our concerns. So rewatching this last night was actually I was a little bit hesitant because I've become less interested in south park over the years like I did blasphemy well. I dip in dip in and out right? Like I dip in and now and. You're talking to the host of respect our. Number One south park podcast on the Internet. But if we were all just circle jerking, then this. would be super boring wouldn't it so? It's right. So No, I haven't been like super into it. So I dip in periodically and when there's like a special episode that People Talk Shit about or when there's something that we do on wise crack I am like, okay I pay attention and so I it's not like I'm ignorant of it but I haven't been up on it. So I was like a little hesitant watching this is going to be good and I'll be honest I left my fucking asks off I thought it was really fucking funny. It was better than I remembered. It was better than I expected. I think there's lots of stuff to get into about the larger brand that is South Park and we can talk about like what Parker and stone are doing, and if we think it's good as bad as it overly cynical etc I think there's great information there but in terms of a product I think it's really fucking hilarious. It's really well made from what it is doing and I really enjoyed watching it will. Rock and roll song though Oh shut your fucking face on Fucker, of course. Although the although the Brian Boitano Song really does make my heart sing 'cause I. I dated a professional figure skater for a really long time and so I'm I'm really into the figure world for a bit so that also touches my soul little bit as well. So but the uncle fucker song because that's the one when I think about this movie that's that's the song I think not the blame candidate song. Or anything like that. Even though that was like the. Oscars, on this shut your fucking face on Kgo fucker because that's like the first time you hear them swear in this cartoon and that's the moment where you're like, oh, and even the kids are like wait what did he just say did he just fuck and then all the sudden they just go on this litany of swear words. So I think that's why. All Right Ryan. Well, I mean obviously jared, we I mean you know each other are as huge South Park, fans? I this movie is basically about my life too because I had a very strict Catholic mom wouldn't let me watch anything and and I do think that it contributed to my personality it. It really exactly what happened to the South Park kids where they'd only get to see anything. Didn't they go sneak often see this bad movie. I was extra curious is I can see anything and then here, I am look at me and So. Anyway. To me is a perfect film, it's like so funny everything Austin said true. The songs were amazing incredible satire and I feel like it's a perfect Adaptation film or whatever you WANNA call. The sense that whenever you take a TV show and try to make a movie out of it. Almost every time it sucks to me this is the perfect version of it isn't terminator two. That's the perfect sequel. This is the perfect May. Adaptation of a TV show to a movie because I don't think even have to be a South Park Fan be familiar with all the characters to really get into the story. No. What's going on and because it is kind of an origin story in a way which they're smart about and the animation is amazing. It's better than your average south. Park episode I still holds up to this day. It's perfectly shitty in the right way but also being. Really you know there's a lot of dynamic three d kind of animation stuff and they're going to hell and the war and the intro is incredibly well animated and I just propsed to Matsuda. Trey Parker man they're just geniuses the they're they're almost their batting close as close to a thousand for as much output is they put out than anyone else so I love this movie and my favorite you you stole my fucking answer you uncle fuck. Fuck. But I guess I'll go with. The the eyes of a child that was pretty funny. It is it. Is Of a child which one is I think a even deleted or something, but it will come on spotify every once in a while in the cracks me out I was GONNA say because I've seen this movie tens of times and I don't remember the eyes of a child song Yeah. So I saw this movie when it first came out in theaters. I was in fourth grade or something like that, and my dad took me to see it 'cause. You know none of the other kids in school were allowed to see it and I felt so privileged that my dad was willing to take man I remember going to see it with my dad and my sister and my sister's friend and Holy Shit. We were laughing our asses off the whole time all. The minutes of this movie. That's another thing I love about this movie is how tight it is. There's not a single wasted seen in this movie it is just so tight This is the best one of the best American musicals ever produced I. Think this is an American music. Immense say what I just said. I was at one of the best American musicals. The Best American musical sensing in the rain I I imagine. I imagine like someone like Stephen Sondheim watching this movie in a movie theater and like him acting feeling like solitary from Amadeus looking at. Trey, Parker like you some sort of Mozart figure just saying that you know this person is so enormously talented as if he was. Given a gift from God and yet he seemingly quote unquote squanders it on Fart, jokes and toilet humor but I. Yeah and I agree with Ryan, this is the Best TV to movie adaptation I mean with the show, it's been on for twenty years over twenty years and has been as successful as it hit as it has. You would think that they would make more than one movie but I'm glad they haven't because they nailed it the first time. I mean once get cancelled for doing whatever it is that they canceled for. They'll probably make another one right doubt. Going to be doing different Shit you think you'd like they don't do like one sendoff. That's like, okay. Finally, we pushed the envelope and you canceled us here's our big buck you to everybody I can see him doing more more self they're doing tomorrow or the next day we were there during the pandemic special doing kind of made for TV movies ask like imagination land I can see them doing that more but I don't know about a feature film. That's a whole I. Think they are pretty burn out on that as from from what I gather. My guess is that they are more interested in video games being the future of south. They don't have to worry about actors. They don't have to worry about any contribution they make probably more money and the South Park. Video Games are awesome. I've played both of them three times. So. Good. I just don't I know all the songs in this movie by Heart. The reason why we chose this as my last pod for show me the meaning is because it's just a movie that I loved talking about and I just love to watch because I was thinking about like, okay. What should we do from my last episode was thinking? Well, you know Austin brought up Solaris we can maybe do that would be an interesting. But Yeah? To, watch two and a half hours of Solaris when you can watch eighty two minutes of the South Park. Movie. Real quick as you want to Interject Patricia from the chat said, the eyes of a child song is the son that plays over the closing credits. Euro. Oh. Okay. I thought the closing credits was like a rock and roll rendition of what would Brian Boitano do maybe that's like. Maybe, it's after that your shit ten times but you haven't watched the entire credits. You know I'm not a credit by. Stolen. There's a thing in l. a. where people sit through the entire credits as to show respect for people they know on the screen, but I don't fuck with that. I'm just like art movies over. Names up there. Thank you right. Right. Right. Exactly All right. Let's go into a recap. So Stan Cartman Kyle and Kenny are swearing up a storm after seeing the new terrance and Phillip movie asses of fire causing outrage among concern mothers and South Park? When Kenny accidentally kills himself recreating a lighting Fart on fire stunt from the movie he sent to hell to spend eternity with Satan and his abusive lover Saddam Hussein and response. The mothers of South Park Blame Kenny's death and their children's behavior on Canada taking their case all the way to Washington DC after coaxing the US military to incarcerate terrance and Phillip candidate bombs. The Baldwin residents causing Broth Laskey and the Clinton administration to declare war on Canada ever the POTTY MOUTH CARTMAN is may be test subject of an experimental technology known as the ship which gives an electronic shock. Every time an obscenity is uttered. This combined with stands need to impress Wendy by getting political inspires the boys to unite all the kids in town to free terrance and Phillip before their public execution. Meanwhile in Hell Kenny learns that Terrasson Phillips Death will fulfill a prophecy that will bring Satan and Saddam Hussein to Earth ushering in thousands of years of darkness the boys free terrance fill up but Sheila and the rest of the moms meet them on the battlefield and despite Kyle's pleas to stop his Mom Sheila Kills Terrance and Phillip. Saddam and Satan descend on earth to enslave everyone. But when Saddam Starts Belittling Satan Kenny tells Satan that he Has. TO STAND UP FOR HIMSELF TIRED OF SADDAM'S. Manipulation, and inspired by Kenny Satan Kill Saddam and grants Kenny a single wish Kenny wishes for everything to go back to normal like it was before the war. So all the casualties of the war revived, the mothers have a new perspective on censorship and Kenny flies off to heaven and of movie are you guys before we continue I want to give a shout out to story blocks for sponsoring. This. 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Well, I think we should start this off by just talking about Oh one thing I forgot to mention my favorite song is actually up there the song that Satan Sing. which is like the fucking Disney princess a what is it the Little Mermaid Song basically. Right. It's like little mermaid mix with hunchback a note predom- when he's when housing is out there out there right? Right exactly. Yeah. So let's just talk about the obvious Meta narrative going going on here. So in the film, the Kids See Terrance and Phillip Asa fire film based on a TV show of the same name that is known for foul language, Potty humor but the movie version features much more profane language. Similarly, the audience sees South Park bigger longer and uncut a film based on the TV show of the same name that is known for fouling which potty humor. But in the movie version, the language is far more profane and The absurd outraged that the parents experienced in the film brilliantly reflects the reactionary outrage that is that the show has been criticized for since it began but also anticipates the audience's reaction to the obscene are rated language that they had not previously seen in the show I mean, I very much was like stand Cartman Kyle and Kenny when I watched this movie I mean. Some of the parts I remember laughing at the most when I saw this movie in third or fourth grade or whatever is the hilarious mixes of curse words like testicle, shitting rectal war or Ashram Angle fucker like the things that these kids will just pull out like it's Like it's like the ultimate one up and those are the things I would call my friends. It was amazing how? How how insightful movie was and how it insipid how kids would wait a second? Are you saying that you were influenced by this movie to call your friends names in you corrupt you were corrupted by this movie is that what you're saying I kind of was. At the end of the day, you know it doesn't hurt anybody fuck fuck, fuck. Ter Oh, my God. You're watching this and another thing about this movie is that. Not only is the movie hilarious. Not only does it promises it. It gives you what it promises, which is more obscenity more of the gross out humor that everyone comes to understand the show for its uncut, but it also just nails its place in popular culture and what it represents and. And really addresses, all criticisms levelled at it in such a entertaining. Insightful Brilliant Way and I think that whenever you make a movie, you know movies supposed to be Kinda like this monolithic thing if you make like one movie that is supposed to be the. Elevated experience of experiencing South Park this show that's gone on for twenty years. Yes. There's a show, but there's also a movie in the movie is supposed to be this monolithic experience that encompasses everything that the TV show stood for, but it communicates it to you in eighty two minutes and I think that. This movie does it brilliantly and as much as the show has evolved over the last twenty years? It still is. It still brilliantly comments on the shows place in. Common in contemporary culture, what is what is the show's place? T think well I I, love it 'cause because I was just comment on what you just said because this movie came out at the perfect time and the show's evolution right? Because it was it was at the height of its popularity and there have been a bunch of. New Cycles of of people of I, guess Christian organizations getting mad at it and stuff thing in that it's corrupt and the children. So they kind of really were striking while the irons hot on that whole in terms of that whole thing if they made this movie right now. South Park as much as I still love it. It's not in the Zeitgeist as much and it's kind of everyone seen the been there done that kind of thing and I think that they comment on that in the season's now in a way because basically the they'll have entire shows are forget exactly which ones but it's basically though the gist of it is does give a shit about this. We could you know things are reality is crazier than a South Park episode basically. So what the fuck are we doing, where is our place? They kind of have been going through an existential crisis in the last couple seasons. So I like how they've evolved Meta narrative and what they do. But Yeah I think that this movie came out with perfect time so. Do you think are people worn out with the stick or do you think that there's just because there's never going to be a lack of resources for South Park to comment on this hour long special that's airing tomorrow or Thursday whatever whatever date is wherever you are around the world is going to be on the whole Cova pandemic right which you. There, sure. GonNa mix in the irreverent well, actually, it's not gonNA be mixed in. It's just going to be entirely reverend across the board. Right so there's not an there's never going to be an endless supply of material for them to satirize. So you do. You think there will be well yeah. The life is of is they've done a great job of adapting with times in my in my opinion and also I feel like the first couple of seasons were not as current event focused and stuff, and now they've really gotten into the groove of commenting whatever's happening at the time. So I've. Arguably more relevant win. It's like literally when the show is airing week to week, it's like a relevant show. You're kind like. Okay. What are going to say about what's happening right now but then you watch those seasons a couple years later and they're not as relevant obviously like anything. So. And Yeah, I think it's just like any show on the twentieth season people get the stick, but it's still the core fans love it unlike a Simpson's which has definitely died off in quality and viewers over time right to answer your question Austin. Sorry. What was it was the question was what is their place in in contemporary culture I guess One of the reasons why I revere the show so much not only because I think the writings great. Not only because I think I mean, Trey. Parker is a mazing talent with his songwriting and his sense of humor and his voice acting. There's that but there's also the fact that South Park has this hall pass. They can pretty much do anything. The only thing that they've ever been told they couldn't do was show Mohammed onscreen which ironically they had already done that calls young couple of seasons earlier but in general. They have a thing where it's not just that comedy central's allowing them to do these. It's that. If ever they say something that's so outrageously offensive. No one's really gonNA care in the six days to air documentary Trey Parker puts it really well, he says that you know no one is going to go to the water cooler at work and say oh. My God. Did you see what South Park did last night it's so offensive because people will say, yeah, it's just South Park I mean that's what they do. There's no other show on the air that has that same hall pass that ability you know it's like the Mel Brooks thing like Mel Brooks Mel Brooks allowed to make blazing saddles and make other kinds of off color humor that perhaps as an aide as well. But people at least I think I could be wrong about this people are still allowed to publicly think that blazing saddles is funny even though a white Jewish guy wrote it where and. I think that South Park has that similar privilege of being able to criticize anything were race relations, politics anything and they'll get away with it. You know because they're south part and the reason why it's so dear to me is because I don't know hall passes like that are being given out anymore and so I I think it's important for Matt and trey to cling onto that and keep making episodes just. To have that voice exist in the world I definitely agree with that last part I back on on that, they get a total hall pass like it is a little ironic to me that at the beginning of the show every all the critics were basically these evangelical types who were worried about the children right and then a bunch of people that the show was forward be like. All right, fuck you. And now, I heard I've seen a ton of pushback on South Park like pieces and stuff in terms of Wyatt's quote unquote problematic you know and so from the left. So it's kind of like that which you would think is what the par a big part of the audience. and. So that's kind of interesting cultural shift. I mean have you not seen that Jarod people downsizing? That's partly why I came in with some apprehension because I have read. So many think pieces. Let's say since twenty fifteen. When they really started to confront like microaggressions and PC culture and stuff like that. So many sort of. Reactive responses from quote liberal left progressive types that have been very outraged at how irreverend South Park is right and so that's part of the reason. I came in with some apprehension I was like Oh fuck like because I haven't seen much of the show right I've only dipped in pure looks like is is the show for my memory? Is it some sort of scourge on society that is like shocking progressive norms and is like some sort of evil thing or is it like a someone just set in the chats? Jared Nineteen, ninety, nine shout he said South? Park will save the world I believe so is. There something like that, we need this kind of irreverence in this sort of like cynicism to all institutions, and so I came in with exactly that kind of I didn't know, and that's what that was the lens that I watched this film through and I don't know that I would say South Park will save the world but I do think that there is something to say about needing more of those quote hall passes Needing More Artistic. Freedom, without having to constantly triangulate through the gatekeepers of what art can do an how art can be expressive avenue. So one of the things that's I think special about the show. Is that yes, I am aware of some of these think pieces and I am aware of some of the criticisms about that. But so are they and they're all very very. Self reflective in some of the episodes of the most recent season. So there's actually one episode that is kind of a reverse of the South Park movie. Actually take the structure of the movie in some key scenes, the movie, and they invert it to where now instead of this was in season twenty two instead of Kyle's mom blaming Canada. It's now Kyle who blames Canada and basically it's meant to be that Trey and Matt are now. Saying Fuck. You know we look at the world around us by the way they I mean they they hate trump they should on trump constantly in the last couple of seasons and they look around the world and all of its problems and like the you know the rise of the alright and all that stuff and they do point the finger at themselves and say, maybe we 'cause this, we don't really know what to do about it and I and you know there are other things like people have criticized the show for trivializing global warming. Well, they also address that and when they had the return, of Man Bear, pig Al, Gore in season I believe twenty two. And where you know man bear pig becomes real and all the kids in south feel like dufuses and Al Gore's right. So I appreciate that. You know they are conscious of this they work it in I think rather brilliantly and hilariously into their work. There's also like many seasons ago in there honey boo boo episode a called The Bar actually point when they basically the end question of the episode is looking at television like honey boo boo saying how did shit get this bad and then at the end kyle says, you know maybe we raise the or we lowered the bar so much where we created this arms race of crass content, and so that's another thing. I really appreciate about the show because if it was just throwing the middle finger up in the air to everyone without any sense of conscious or any sense of self reflection, I don't think it would be a special as it is. Can I? Can I? If if I'm going to also now play the. Caricature of myself that we have branded me as the problematic voice. there is an element of the show that is problematic. The bit where Cartman is in black face for a second There are things but the question is, what does the word problematic entail in the idea is that it's meant to say that there are certain cultural expressions that we think ought not to be that way. Now it depends on how you police that right? Because now I'm using language like ought should which are all ethical sort of like morally loaded terms? So the question is is When you have a hall pass is there an artistic responsibility that you have when you have people who are so influenced by what it is that you're producing what is that artistic responsibility and then should the artist constantly and I like what you said how they are self reflective in their where that means that they are showing that they are aware of responsibility that they have as this like very big like having this big soapboxes. But then that's the question is is should people just simply bow? Down to subjugate themselves to institutional pressures or is there some sort of like weird struggle like this tension dialectic between freedom but then also recognizing sort of social responsibility and maybe the maybe the series learning and over the course of twenty three seasons that yeah, they're going to make some quote problematic mistakes and then they're going to try to correct them and then they're going to fall back into the problematic ditch, and then for me, that's what's interesting about the product is that it's able to kind of. Navigate through those stormy seas whereas a lot of artistic output doesn't even attempt to navigate that difficult dialectic in what I wonder is is what is the role of like responsibility in in social production and all of these other things that are coming together and do South Park, to say fuck you to that and they're just totally cynical because fuck you'd all norms or is there something kind of cool that they're doing? Does that make sense you know? I would say the last four seasons have. All been about this journey of looking inwards and trying to. And trying to fight this nihilism that people accused them of and they in a sense accused themselves of and Again I mean. It being problematic. I mean look I'm I'm Jewish and like it heavily has the most anti Semitic comedy or antisemitic jokes or anti Semitic jobs than any other show on television that I can think you allow like you're cool with it. Sure. You love according just lie. I love it. Yeah. Having, said that you know it's Cartman is certainly not the voice of reason in the show I think the show is responsibly structured in that it has characters like Stan and Kyle who are more the voice of reason, and Cartman is obviously this narcissistic psychopath that we're not supposed to identify with as the moral center of the show and I think that Throughout the season's most. most notably in the last couple of seasons I think they've been questioning whether or not. That's actually been effectively communicated or people really are latching onto Cartman and looking at him as some sort of moral exemplar, which is scary but I would much rather them. You know. It's funny like I. I'm about to say something I'm about to say. I'd much rather them do it and then apologized later. But that's the exact ethos that I criticize. Silicon Valley for that I absolutely hate is like you know the just do it and then apologize later for some reason when it comes to content and freedom of expression and comedy are more willing to allow people to just go buck wild. Yeah, Austin's answer question I. I'm on I'm firmly on the fence of of they have little to no responsibility of that you're talking about. But I there's there. The good thing is is that they're smart and they're good people you can t. The my opinion you can tell from the show I and just how they deal with these serious issues but most importantly to the problematic question. This show is designed obviously to be obscene and amp problematic from the get-go. Mind that is a very cathartic human. Human. Nature thing that you would like people like to laugh at themselves and other people and even if it's fucked up and mean, and that's a long tradition and mankind and I don't think it's going to stop and I, it's it's People policing that I think has had a backlash effect that leads I think to like stuff like Donald, trump and I'm on that in the context of the film that leads to war with Canada a really loving peaceful fucking nation. Right. So here's here's my question and this is directly related to the film now. So there's a sense in which they're also being serious, right? They're like when you are stupid, it leads to stupid results, right stupid consequences and they're clearly saying that the parents and censorship is stupid and what does that lead to? Well, it's like an argument him absurdum it leads to fucking war because you. Can just simply demonize you can just simply objectify the other that is the bad and then you can justify anything you do like going to war and killing millions of people because your on the side of good and they're on the side of evil, and so it's a really easy and they're saying that stupid, here's my question though that's serious and that's a really important critique but does the trivial leising of that by making it something that is kind of silly in by just saying that there's stupid. Does that not an end. This is literally just asking this question open ended like I don't have an answer here. Right? Does that trivialize the severity of what critique could be just reducing it to their stupid and what I? What I am thinking of in asking this question is has the discourse because it's so much of the daily show, South Park and all of these kind of like irreverent comedies and satires they basically just critique something that we see that might be better better critiqued as being evil or wrong or something along those lines, but we just say it's stupid. So constantly hear people on like the fucking young Turks like you here Jank just freaking out about how dumb Donald. Trump is and I'm like, Bro Nobody cares i. mean maybe a bunch of people who like the Young Turks pat themselves on the back because like our the smart ones Donald. Trump and the Republicans are the dumb ones but to me that doesn't really seem like a very useful form of engagement or social critique. So what I wonder is south park almost kind of lowering the bar used that term earlier jared is lowering the bar of how we can critique by just simply trivializing it through the language of stupidity or is it good? Is it like when something is so fucking ridiculous and evil? All you can do is laugh at it and say how stupid it is like is that good? They're not come. It's South Park's on hamlet or something where they're coming at it like this is GonNa Change People's hearts and minds I think that they're coming at it from the low bar of this is a stupid cartoon with Fart jokes. Oh. Wow. There's actually something to it. There's substance to you gotta look below the surface look below the far joke and you'll see what they're actually saying with this stupid cartoon. So I think that and I think that that's powerful stuff and not everything needs to have that weight I think you're describing So yeah, our guys before we go any further I WANNA give a shout out to our sponsors over at skill share. 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I wondering if kind of reducing the argument to they're just stupid rather than they're evil or they're bad or their other ethics that we ought to live by does that kind of Does that kind of serve a does that negatively kind of serve what critique could do because it just reduces it it just it reduces the seriousness in the movie saying that the mothers are stupid because they're not taking personal responsibility for what their child children see. Or? You know I, I, hear what you're saying. I on one level. I appreciate when people do this through narrative much more than I, appreciate when people do it in something like the daily show where it's literally just you know like here's a Republican talking point cut to Jon Stewart making a funny face and being sarcastic. Like that that I don't think I've never been a big fan of the daily show I'm not really a fan of of that kind of criticism. I do think by veiling it within a narrative elevates it a little bit. But I see what you're saying and I also think that South Park has a very unique sense of irony and sarcasm like I'm reminded of the episode where they have tiger. Woods and they're playing the New Tiger Woods PGA golf game. But the game that you're playing is his wife beating him up for cheating on him and all throughout the episode. There's all these people who are trying to figure out like scientists, heads of industry. All these people are bringing their heads together and trying to figure out why is it that rich men want to have sex a lot of women and You know like an and then You know it's it's sarcastic. It's absurd but. It does. It does highlight perspectives in society that In a clever way that we don't often hear. We don't often hear people talking about like, Hey, you know we're guys and maybe like there's a character in that episode that says, Hey, you know what we're guys and maybe you know if you were. If we were as successful enriches these people we might. React similarly and then someone says there's a turning the punch bowl. Right. Does that answer your question at all in you know what I'm thinking it Kinda does in one the things I'm thinking too is in this film one of the big contradictions that they're trying to point out it's like, Oh, my God, you're policing a saying the word fuck an ass in cocker or whatever it is that were saying but yet at the same time the as totally cool with people getting fucking murdered all the time right so like death and mutilation and things like that those things are acceptable of bombing country a just for maybe kind of silly. Geopolitical positioning or economic interest. That's good. That's on the side of good. But we a cartoon if we bleep out the word, fuck all of a sudden everyone's freaking corrupting the youth. But the late night news that is free that is accessed by everybody is viewed as like some sort of patriotic responsibility when it's on the side of the good. If it's advocating the invasion and destruction of other cultures leading to the deaths of other lives, and that's like a huge point that they're trying to make right is they're trying to show through hypocrisy critique kind of what the issue. kind of like what some of the fundamental contradictions are if you will of American society in American culture and kind of like American public concern and I think that is a really important point that they're making. I think it's also worth mentioning that I don't think this movie. This would not have been the movie version of south, park if it wasn't for Columbine because Columbine was I think the big event in which people were actually blaming South Park for the actual manifestation of like violence and murders, and I think that Trey and Matt having grown up in Colorado and I think that Matt went to a school. If not combine those them one of them took his sat's in columbine cafeteria. Yeah Okay that might have been Matt. Then because I know Matt is in bowling for Columbine but Yeah I mean had that not happened I don't think they would've had to react so strongly to what they were being accused of because I that the I mean Columbine happened ninety nine to I thought the Movie Way before. Oh is that right? Yeah. It was April of ninety nine that it happened but there's definitely some confluence and I think that the film came out a few months after. So I don't know if there were edits I. mean it it. It was kind of serendipitous or coincidental but nevertheless, there's definitely a sort of convergence there. Absolutely, I mean the whole censorship wars had been raging on since the mid eighties right and then like fucking Marilyn Manson was really one of the big targets after columbine but that's just because he was. Target for ages even though the Matrix was a huge one too was it joe yeah anything that like anything that could scapegoat the responsibilities or scapegoat the real contradictions that drive people to these levels of despair anything that is like an easy out that would fit some sort of political agenda was used by a lot of these these forces. So even though the film may not have been made because of the columbine events, it was coming out of a lot of kind of concerns that the columbine event also sparked with regards to censorship and. I don't know. I guess this leads to my big question like is there a place for any kind of censorship should should there be any kind of censorship whatsoever you know Nothing. So nothing in my opinion. Yeah unless it's calling for violence. Or something like that. That crosses the line obviously. Yeah. So then here's the should we fucking censor? The news that's showing fucking invasion or invasions of cities and end like just for light graphic. Images warnings. Yeah. Graphic images, warnings usually usually news does a pretty good job of saying you're about to see something graphic but. Winner on twitter and Shit it's kind of hard. You're like going down like Oh. My God I just saw someone die. Can. Grow. I. Know. A lot of people die Waleed, sunny to it's fucking sucks man. Yeah. Those images they get burned into our brains right but then but then I wonder like like avengers movies and I think we've talked about this before like fucking whole cities have destroyed thousands and thousands and thousands of lives are lost but it's like it's almost like euphemistically right? It's it's you don't really see the heads exploding in the fucking glass shattering and cutting their faces you just see a building. Fall down and it's like Oh. There were ten thousand people in there and it's like, Oh, well, then we must do we have to do to save the world and it's like motherfucker ten thousand people or one hundred, thousand people or half the world's population were just fucking eliminated but it's fun and it's just totally trivialized because it's in the context of a product that is I don't know like acceptable. Because it's Disney or some shit like that and I think that's one of the things that this film is kind of like in a way even though it came out well before that in a way targeting, right it saying we're saying the word, fuck. But yet you guys are constantly pushing out products that are violent that our imperialistic that have no care or concern at all for any sort of sanctity. Of Human Life. If there is such a thing as a sanctity of human life and that's the issue that I think the film is really trying to target is that contradiction and then what do we do with that is the question you know do we then do you censor on the other side and say, well, we can't have you know like easy access to films where like people's heads are exploding like? Fuck in awesome. Total recall. I think they're saying that just like point your blame in a different direction. But I don't think they're necessarily calling for violence to be censored. This is why I have. If you don't like it turn it off tattooed across my back. Yes. I would say South Park for me is like knowing Ryan in sort of like the the bit that we we've been together for what three years now doing this podcast almost man like fire if you would've told me like what is the cultural product that speaks most to? Ryan. Soul I, one, hundred percent, his head South Park. Your heads at. Yeah. Lately, that's been the answer for me I mean, I've been watching South Park a lot lately I mean you they got three hundred episodes. So by the time I've seen them all I've forgotten the ones I started with at the beginning. Do. You think it's because you're fatigued with like. What we could call like a institutional control with with. Political correct culture and do. You know and I'm like I'm like on I'm like Jackie and when it comes to like really like off color humor, you know like when she talks about how like racist jokes kind of create intimacy and stuff like that I mean like I kind. Of. Racial Humor and anti. Semitic humor that was leveled at me when I was in middle school and elementary school and it was just honestly something that I thought brought us together in a kind of obscene way But yeah, I guess my question to you Austin is like I mean. If you were like you know the grand censorship that the head of the Grand Censorship Bureau and in our next dystopia. Fascist. I'm stalling in the in the your. Your stolen in the future. Would you censor south? Park yeah no no, no no but but here's the thing. I'm also very aware that I am comfortable just one in my life I've had a very privileged life and I'm not trying to say like white privilege I'm saying Yo I'm a middle class Yuppie from Orange County. My life has been fucking good. Yes. I've had personal shit personal tragedies by mom was fucking her grandma, my grandma's paranoid. GRANDPA. died on my mom's lap when she was twelve was raised by a single mother. Yeah. I had some shit but I was made to feel like a prints. So my life has been very, very, very comfortable relative to a lot of other people. So what I wonder is, is there not a sense in which I'm speaking from that level of comfort where like something can quote offend me but I can. Deal with it in a way that it's kind of like I'm very nonchalant and I kind of touched the world lightly. So it doesn't impact me as much as somebody whose identity is wrapped up in this thing that is being lampooned, and so then that's my question is, is not, should we censor it but how is there a larger sense of social responsibility where we can? We can develop the tools to navigate? What happens when you feel offended what happens when somebody Lampoon's you? What happens when somebody directly attacks that identity and then even bigger questions like what happens when a political system is structured to make it so that your life and the thing that you are doesn't have franchise or has less franchise has less access to the privilege that somebody like me is able to to benefit from even in the sense of just having a safety net of comfort knowing that my family is always there I've got a wonderful network behind me if some tragedy were to strike me and I had to lose both of my legs knock on wood like I wouldn't just be left floating out in the C. With no help whatsoever right. So that's what I wonder is is what what can we do to ask these bigger questions and I think censorship is a solution bad solution to a larger set of problems, and because censorship is just an easy dismissal. It's an easy way of scapegoating of blaming these are the bad words, those of the bad people and it's always filtered through a lens of like power interests, right so like when Tipper Gore in them are are trying to impose censorship, they're doing it in the name of the republican moral values that again like this town in South Park at the beginning of the movie, it's this Nice Christian town. It's this Adila Country Society it's fucking Arcadia. Perfect like pre lap, Sereni denic state, and then all of a sudden the bad word comes in. So it's like that's the issue is one of the power relations that are structuring how even ask these questions in the first place that would that would be my concern so To, sum it up if I were the stolen, no, I wouldn't censor it but hopefully are fucking world would be structured in such a way that people wouldn't have. They wouldn't have that level of attack. Thrust upon them in the first place fucking totally naive. Maybe. You'd have like mandatory media, uh. Media analysis re education. So yeah. Ever everyone is is part of a wise crack. That's right. wisecracks are just ubiquitous and so everyone can navigate those fields and and really it's about giving people voice right in in giving people power. That's one of the things about democracy and and if everyone is supposed to have a voice but then you start to realize that there isn't a symmetry and people don't actually have. The capacity to. Exercise that right that that putative formal right of democracy and free speech then what happens and so I think that's the larger set of concerns that a product like South Park can unveil and that's why I think censorship is really Altamont a bad solution because it's just used in wielded by certain power Sadat's the problem. All right guys. Before we go into the mail bag I, WANNA give a shout out to. Our sponsors over at Shudder. So Shudder is the world's premier streaming service for horror thriller and Supernatural. Content? Shudder scary all year round, but they like to be extra for Halloween. So this year they're turning thirty one days of Halloween into sixty one days a two month celebration of their favorite season featuring weekly original exclusive movie premieres. So some of the they've got awesome some classics like Halloween, Hellraiser, Texas, chainsaw massacre. Exclusives membership. 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U. D. E. R. Dot Com and Promo Code show me All right while I was going to go into the mail bag but I think Austin wanted to take this little bit of a different direction. So what do you think Austin first of all I just want to say that in our chats right now, you would cry at the love that you've been getting like millions of PROBAB- probably would I know I? Just WanNa say like from my perspective. Like I hope you and I'm sure you know this but I hope you realize how many lives you have literally changed like unreal man I'm not exaggerating when I say this I'm like sometimes people say things like, oh, the Justin bieber album changed my life and a lot of its rhetoric unless somebody was like maybe like depressed or suicidal or something like that, and it's somehow affected them in a positive way but literally jared by teaching people how to think critically and by giving them resources to empower themselves into navigate this like really fucking complex world. You've literally impact people in a way that I think is quantifiable and so I I tweeted yesterday I said Hey it's jared last show. We're recording what film is going to be his swansong. South Park bigger longer and uncut a fitting farewell. Don't you think and then I just said, feel free to send your love here I'll share with them tomorrow on the cast, and so I'll just read a couple of these just from people sending their love. So this is from a Oh. I don't want to read out all the hands because I don't know if people are like private or something like that. But. Sad that jared is leaving. He's been the voice of philosophy and my head for the better part of five years between you and him. I may not have I may have mentioned it before but you guys sparked a passion for philosophy. I never knew. I had and all the better for it wishing jared the best. Allen says, super. Sad but I hope jared does what's best for him I'm excited to see what he does. Next Spooky Daddy says going to miss that ginger are you ginger? Day. Walker. Brittany says wishing you all the best jared wisecracker has always been my Go-to pick me up and helped inspire me to put all my literary skills to use on the daily. Cheers Michael Says I'm sad jerry leaving but wisecracker has inspired me. It's one of the reasons I took my education degree and my tutoring business. I'll never forget that he was willing to talk to me and to help me with a paper on online writing. Thank you, jared. Thank you. Wise crack. ADB Abba Czech. TV says fuck yes. I. Remember Jared claiming that this movie was to be was the true league Meta in the cabin in the woods podcast. So that's I think it was a perfect swansong. A suspiciously slippery cucumber says, please just tell jared to keep in touch if his next big careerstep keeps them online in some capacity we wanNA keep supporting his work and the wise crack crew. Also I personally love it. If he took over Ryan's goodbye from Hollywood California for a last Hurrah and then dawn commented instead and as always piece. So Mike says super sad jared's leaving but excited for him as he tries something new have been loving wise crack content for many years now and it's all started thanks to the man with the crazy hair and a great dog. Thank you. I just got another dog. To Yeah to close this chapter of my life and to start a new one I decided to get another dog. So his name is Dougie. Jones Bauer named after season three of twin peaks which Ryan probably still has a sign. Are they going to be. Like a dual account for them on jazz going to be on the same Instagram Account I got upload some pictures he he's a little stinker. He's. Zooming around peeing and pooping everywhere, then passing out and that's just what he does all day. Awesome. Awesome. Okay. Guys come. Later I got a couple more literally using all. My might not to break down tears but. I got Brian let me just to get through a couple more these. And then and then kick it over to you for the final word. But so Christian says, tell him. It's been an honor to find people who are not only just as obsessed with the same things that I am but are infinitely smarter when I disagree with something that is being said by guest I've found jared to be the voice of reason now go live your life. Leon says sad that jared leaving but let them know that wisecracker has changed my life. I never knew how much I'd learned from the intersection of philosophy and pop culture and how much it would enrich my life plus he introduced me to the awesome artists like Ryan's game show and you. and. Then I got a few more shoot. Okay. So Bobby says a really sad that jared is leaving but honestly I'm just glad and thankful for the work he's done his work has added so much value to my life and wish him all the luck in the world for whatever we going to do or whatever is doing love anonymous. Missing your hair send jared. All my best. Thank you to him. The guys at wisecracks were giving me an insight into philosophy. That's from Casey, the accumulator, and then I got a couple of gifts of people crying and shaking their heads and all kinds of things but Yeah. Man I hope you know this going forward that you have literally left an indelible mark on the world for good and I hope that you find joy in that you know. So I was nothing without my team including you guys. So I mean, it was a it was a team effort. Oh, captain my captain I feel like this is like dead poet's society. While I was there as I was the third employ. Maybe. We'll know that I mean kind of the first employees really well. Okay. Well, that's even better first employ I like the sound of that. So you know I've seen it from the beginning and when I think when I started I, think you guys had like two hundred and fifty, three, hundred, thousand subscribers and I remember take we need more subscribers yesterday there was something like that and now do what? Two, point six or seven, million, point nine. Million I. Remember the one million. Party, and then the two million parties. So it's just the idea that that every video. The wisecracks uploading now. Goes to almost three million people's inboxes somewhere you know and is fucking awesome like it's grown exponentially I've never saw that it would get this far I don't think you did either but it's so fucking awesome that it did and you're. Like I've known you since since college obviously we have you know you're my good friend from there but now you're jared. Cool Crazy and and yeah, it's we've had great times I think in. Thanks for taking me along for the ride and thinking me to to bring me along changed my life for sure. Yeah Man. Well thank you guys so much I mean it's really all I can say Austin, you know love, you man I've only met you once. But Yeah, I. Hope you'll stay in touch and reach out when you come back to the the West Coast. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA make a movie together. One day jared. It's GonNa Fuck and happen. A hundred percent like they're. It's not a maybe we will make a movie together one day. I WanNa I. Think my next project is going to be catapulting Ryan to a kids show phenomenon. Dude I'm there. Let's go. This I will help the next the next Ernest P Worrell is hooking Ryan An, and he just needs the right produce. Jon Cherry I think was the director's name or something like that. Okay. We'll guys I appreciate it into into everyone who's riding in. Thank you very much Is it's it's been. You know it's been my life's work and I'm super proud of it and should I of course it would be nothing without the fans. So thank you to everyone who's ever tuned in anyone who's ever written into the podcast anyone who's ever left us a voicemail which you can still do at two, one, three, five, three, four, eight, zero, seven, of course, all of our patrons super super big. Thank you to you guys and yeah I mean I'll keep you guys in touch with. What I'm doing next I, don't really know what that is right now other than feeding dog raising a dog. Yeah. If you could give if you could give people one final like maybe like a book or like media to consume what are things that have really impacted you in your journey because you weren't a philosopher when you started this but you you have learned so much like who are either some names or a book or immediate like what his, what has helped you the most kind of navigating thought. Yeah. you know I think. When I first started out it was like a lot of being really inspired by Nietzsche and You know and then kind of, as I've been doing it more and more being more inspired by Steph, ski and like recently the you know to be honest I read a lot last year and I have not been reading a lot this year. But one of the books that I read at the end of last year I, think maybe even. Austin recommended it was Orthodoxy by G K Chesterton which I really really loved and has inspired a lot of thought and But no I mean I would say honestly, like the best thing I ever did was just find a really good accessible introductory texts to philosophy that just gets you really excited about it like I. I mean I read a short brief introduction to philosophy or brief history philosophy by Robert Solomon and You know I had. pages highlighted that book and annotated, and that book would You know lead me to the original source material text, and that book inspired you know like the first thirty episodes of eight bit philosophy, and so I really encourage people you know there are some people who you know the craziest thing is that some people who watch wisecracking stuff it's been around long enough to where there have been people who got interested in philosophy because of wise crack and then studied philosophy and now have degrees, and now they know way more than I do so It's kind of an interesting thing. So I mean, I'm still plugging introductory texts as a way to find the original tax and to really expand on what you find most interesting. But that's really been the most rewarding thing I've ever done The last thing I want to say is that if anything sparks passion, you know me and Jacob came into this trying to make a media business and obviously it wasn't the smartest thing in the world to focus on philosophy. But that was where my passion was and I think it ultimately rewarded us by just chasing what? What you are passionate about. So you know there were many many times during this journey where I was very tempted to make content that was a little bit easier to make a little bit more Vapid I. Know Many people who are much more financially successful than I am who made stuff that borders on fake news and You know I would say, just resist that temptation as much as you can because I think that ultimately you'll be rewarded with something much more important if you just chase what you believe in and what you're passionate about. Well, that's what's so awesome you built do it is that you've made this very. Entertaining incredible sight umbrella or whatever you WANNA call it like. You know that every whiterock video, a ton of time was put into researching this stuff. Maybe not show me the meanings where we'll watch the movie and I'll just say what I think about. You know what I mean like like your average video on the site takes a lot more man hours, brainpower research and stuff, and then a lot of other things and so and and then more importantly I think is people relate to you personally as a people there are a lot of there's a lot of jared's out there that. See you see how you kind of thank and how you present these videos and these ideas and these breakdowns and they relate to you and I think that. That's a testament to you know. You can see that in the subscribers and the views, all these comments and touch Lotta people. So thank you man I really appreciate that. America is what we're going to close it out So thanks, everybody you know and like some people have reached out to me on Instagram and I've tried to respond to everybody and people. One person said to me I can't imagine a world without jared. being on the Matrix episode don't worry I'll probably but my way back in. For. Some for something like that. So don't worry I'll probably make an appearance every now and then. That sounds good All. Right. You want me to do the goodbye. All right goodbye from Hollywood California. Peace guys.

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Speaking libertarianism with Darcy Gerow

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56:59 min | 5 months ago

Speaking libertarianism with Darcy Gerow

"Well thanks for sitting down with dursey for chat. And i'm sitting today with darcy gerardo. E was the deputy leader for the libertarian party of he's been a columnist for the standard reading for libertarian. Point of view most often was a local organizer number two for the ppc for a little while with the maxime bernier. And it's just been a outspoken on alberto politics looking forward to chatting with you because of just the ongoing big agonizing. Painful libertarian question. How can libertarians. Ever bloody get anywhere aside from being a vocal but fringe group. I guess in politics well if you know my my wife married to a libertarian. political guy. She tells me that they should. They should serving less libertarian but But yeah. I don't know. I mean i think we have the right ideas. There's nothing there's nothing that libertarians or even libertarian-leaning conservatives or doing that is necessarily wrong but it is difficult to organize libertarians whether the most inherently difficult herd of cats to try and keep together. Because you've got into individual minded people who tend to change under authority. So which is the exact opposite of what is a good malleable group to get to merchant order. I'm surprised timo and still managing to stay sane with his efforts over these years with it. Oh yeah. Tim is a tim's hero really. I mean the the fact that he's He hasn't given up. He just keeps logging along. And and and yeah the the yet. Libertarians are independently minded. People obviously Definitely kind of an alpha personality So they don't they don't like to take orders sometimes. They don't like to be organized. Or i shouldn't say i don't like to be organized to follow kind of the standard procedures that other political parties do but But you know but then again. There's there's still difference between libertarians. And the and libertarian party right. i mean there's There's there's lots of people other doing you know libertarian-leaning activism you know. There's a few organizations in canada. Definitely planning in the states that are that are doing that sort of stuff and you know even a question amongst is should the rotarians be in politics at all well. That's one of the challenges. I i ran for the libertarian party. In two thousand sixteen. I wasn't an illusion that i was going to unseat a real alberta member of parliament but i mean the goal is to get that perspective of speaking. He's been government One of the ones. I really wanted to get under case for supply management which is such an overdose policy in canada. So i did hold my member. Parliaments veto fairly said a couple of forums for was on that so it's a role there. How much impact hasn't elections as difficult. One of my challenges i had though was i did do degree of door knocking. I didn't do it fulltime. As if i was going to win a seat but when i could i vote but more stores i would spend my first twenty minutes if they give you that much time to try to explain. What the hell libertarian. Is i mean to us we. We've got already. But i mean the libertarian. Party liberal not quite classical liberal. What's classical we can just go on for a long time to even tell them what the hell i am. What you've tonight you've lost them already. You you've yeah for sure you know that you spend you do spend a lot of time you know. The libertarianism is unique. From what we call modern liberalism or conservatism and Know but it has. I really believe that it does have the stronger foundation as far as Principled philosophy goes. I mean all the you know a lock and human and you know all the greats like Hayek can every new basil yet. Absolutely go on. And on i mean all the you know there's all the great liberal literature is now you would call the preparing. That's classical race such which again you don't have time to explain it at door. Yeah you don't have time to explain a door and and and people don't care so i don't know what it takes for. You know to get you know. I think door knocking is important. Like if you know if if the actual retiring party was going to make some progress that's a that's an area the do need a stronger. Ground game But at the same time. I mean libertarian. Ideas like supply management. I mean that was You know that that that blew up the conservative party that issue right with gloat up. He'll absolute governor and bananas. How can you guys call yourselves conservatives. Even then of any stripe yet still pandered to that soviet style policy and that is what that policy is is soviet style yet and big just will not ban on that thing. Though i know i i guess I was at the farmer's market a couple of weeks ago i was able to buy some new zealand. Respite butter you know. I paid a fortune for it but but anybody who's had you know either irish butter or new zealand butter. I mean they. You know that that in itself should be enough to blow up the whole supply management idea. I mean at home. I raised chickens in a rural area. We just started that this year let people got into that sort of thing but nice free rein. They're locked in those old coop. Say i just do it. Because i feel bad for burns you know so. At least they're living well there as well and they they they run around and get those free range eggs and we sell side locals casino gene in. I can't eat day. Hit as they are. But if i were to expand actually allowed to sell these tickets till i hit the magic number three hundred idly then he was chance that's all i'm allowed to own without a quota. Okay and as soon as i. Three hundred and one chickens i have to get a government is a quota to allow me to sell and raise these things i there is a market for things like those butters or eggs like that. That people would go by but you need a large farm to make it commercially viable. But you could. We got the land in a multi thousand chicken facility where they going to degree of free ranging and people would pay an extra price for those eggs. But it's illegal. You can't do that and it's disgusting. Why the hill chantey. Yeah it is disgusting. I don't know where you get a lot of this week. If you look back through canadian history. I mean we went through this We went right from mercantilism to crony capitalism. We we never really get you know. We've progressed towards free markets but yeah those quota ideas. They're such an archaic backwards thing Excluding people from markets and. i don't know. I don't even know what it takes to. You know to get that across to politicians. Like i really. I'm at a loss for how that sort of these simple ideas. why do. Why do these people were electing not understand it. Yeah well i think they do understand it but unfortunately Supply you know the dairy cartels are and they're strong and they're powerful. They're smart and the i mean it had conservative conventions. They've got their documents out there. They corner these candidates. They make sure they get them to. They're smart targeting one. They make sure they've had their claws in every one of them. They never targeted us at the last so we wear to maybe more the threat fair enough but i mean i guess you gotta get into the people. That's why i like that issue because a lot of people don't even understand that that's happening. Do you understand that is illegal to sell milk in this country yet. Understand that it's illegal to have more than three hundred chickens not most people. What three hundred one chickens. But it's the absurdity of it. Yeah oh for sure. We communicate that to people. Like i grew up out in bc. We bought milk off of our neighbor right and after you know after we quit getting you know fresh milk raw milk. They would call it now. you know i i i never really drank. I've never i've never had. I haven't had milk since physically right. Now it's illegal anyway. He can't jingru a dairy farm in rockford. Cowdery that's this moment in. Her father worked mostly on your gatien district but they had a few milk has what they had was a cream quota so he could melt the cows get the cream but he didn't have a quota for milk so they would feed it to the pigs the ditch literally they would pour into the ditch hit. You know whatever. The family consume great. But after that use the pigs. Report the ditch. Because it's illegal to this stupid legal to sell. Yeah absolutely and into your jeans still to this day like she uses whipped cream to eat cereal. 'cause she can't stand you know store-bought in blake water getting into that. I mean that's one of the kind of the simple issues libertarian. Because we need to get the people on the ground. I mean the politicians. They know they respond to their masters but the bigger massive voter plenty will engage them. Yeah i mean if you can engage them in a guest that's you know Big uphill climb. I mean every late. We saw with the this american election yesterday. Every election is the most important election of your lifetime. And you can't you can't afford to vote for principals. you have to. You have to vote for you. Know the lesser of two evils. Whatever might be and So yeah. I don't know. I you know that's something we always struggled with. And we struggled with the -tarian party. I struggled with it With max and the ppc where where do you where do you. Where's inroad to to those big gains politically. I mean if you go back Reform era Or you know. Even in the east awakened the block was formed originally You know. I don't see those types of opportunities in in politics these days it's tough libertarians. Again our officers their own worst enemies One of the issues. I from being in the forums and so on again what you portend trying to manage that defining ourselves and then we start fighting with each other weird in artist. You're an objective district. You ge- activist asshole. I'm not staying in the room with an splitting with him in a small group already a note he hates libertarians. More than other libertarian. The state so one libertarian convention and one fellow decided to come out on the stage stark naked yet. I understand that what you're making money i do. But just because you can doesn't mean you should ability search starts to to flop it just gets. Yeah and theatrics aren't always the best way i mean like i i. I want people. If that's you know. They want to take their clothes off on stage. Go and do it. It's not for me But that type of that type of theatrics it. It does kind of dumbed down. The the the libertarian idea. You know i'm a. I'm a freedom loving guy i want everybody to you know to do whatever they wanna do. As long as you're not hurting somebody else and basic tenets of yeah like the base the non aggression principle kind of thing but it just so happens. I personally live a very kind of traditional conservative lifestyle. That's who i you know So i yeah. The liberty the libertarian. Party in the states though There they are doing pretty well. I mean just into mash defect from the republicans to the libertarian party. Certainly much larger. They're bigger they are well. Yeah for sure. Yeah i mean. They're you know they're an actual Contender in a lot of ways. I mean they got a lot of down ballot. Not big tickets like president or vice president. But yeah i mean. They're they're assaulted organization they are they are the third party in the united states is one of influence. You're saying you know some of those times perhaps gone back when reform was getting going and i know it's was a young reformer back in the east stickney behind preston manning. These t shirts presidency. There's young people have reality yet. Go to a town hall. Meeting and the average age was like eighty or felt like it anyways to me as a twenty something year old kid yet but i was also never a social conservative. Never and i'm very secular and that was the battle between the libertarian minded in the reform back then and even into the earlier in kurdish. The wild rose party in that yet and self part libertarians. Yeah yes upper conservatives. I should say is the term yet. It which i you know. We were raised the late nineties getting into that. Pretty parker and matt stone that brilliant quoting him to share the other day for matt stone. Just in You know. I hate conservatives but i really fucking hate in your about third party and you're grabbing a spot and that was kind of hoping they even grow into a more influential part. C parties are getting more secular kind of getting away from the social issues that uc p. But moved into the bloated crony capitalism. Big business issues which are still a frigging problem. So we created one problem for another the Yeah no god. Bless timbale to be honest. He's doing he's doing a good job. you know just consistently. They're doing his thing The the the problem is that a lot of conservatives like i know elected conservative peace who had a lot of respect for timmel. Right and and libertarian party. I mean they see it as a great vehicle for Advocacy and that. And that's all. I ever really thought as to be honest. J.j yet changed. Yeah so but but maybe but maybe that's all it is i an advocacy group. More than anything. I don't know i would like to see them. Have some success. I would like to see the libertarian party. Reached that can. I don't know what it is in canada where you get the per vote subsidy I don't think it happens anymore. I think about did they. Okay well whatever it was a bar. You'd hit where you could get a bit. There's a percentage a hit and do get some sort of funding. I would like to see him hit that. Not because i believe that it that that funding should exist but if they were hit that that would put them on the same kind of playing field as yeah exactly the greens these other these other political parties. That are you know it would make them a real a real force you know to to keep moving forward and You know it's do it. They need what they need. Is i mean they need some. They got good leadership and tim. got lauda. You don't good good liberty minded people involved With what they need is some organization. They need to create some kind of targets specific measurable type of targets and the needs to be some sort of you know. I don't know what you call it. A coaching plan to make sure that you know people in different parts of the country. Are you know fulfilling on these measures but and that's just what all political parties i mean that's just what The tell you win. Elections is you know. How many doors did you knock on today. having hands. did you shake those. Are you know those real results right. Metrics yes metrics and The other thing i guess. If you can't win the racist. Can you influence the people who have i mean. There's other reasons that people don't think of such as nomination semi yet if your group perhaps has swung the ground level thing and you gotta return minded person into the liberal party or the conservative party. The seat gambler terry party necessarily get there. The have that group has had an impact on. Yeah we'll do. It would be nice to see you know liberty caucus in In the conservative party or in the evening the liberal party. I honestly do think. I do think there's room for. I think there are a lotta christian era liberals still Believe in you know some sort of fiscal responsibility. I think that that there is room to you. Know to expand the liberty conversation into into the liberal party but again i don't know i mean may say my my my poor wife you know she just shakes her head sometimes right because it's it's not it's not the barong it's that is that you're fighting a battle that nobody cares about. You know feel like it. I think we do. I was to actually. Jeff give this political game. Somebody else asked me about for two zero t. You're always on the fringe parties. Why do you insist on swimming upstream. But it's got sense fashion way but incremental changes still better no change. Somebody's gotta do it. Almost saying cliches. But if you don't push it it it's gonna slide further together way for sure for sure visit to the jeff. There's no endgame that's the thing that is not political people expensive to this sort of mindset is not like a video game eventually you get the princess. The flag goes up. And you're done you win this day. You lose that day but the game never stops you. You're just kept going and going and going and in. It's yeah absolutely. I mean if you depending on who. I'm talking to you i wear the different type of Libertarian rape You know so. I'd be a a mentor kissed over. I can be like you know depending on who. I'm talking to the reagan era conservative. You know let's just scale back government to this point but once we get to that point i'm going to be pushing the scaleback back in you know if you if you were to scale back to know ten if you were to scale government back to ten percent of what is right now that that's the time to have a real conversation. Vote need this at all. Like let's let's let's have a real roth bharti and kind of conversation of what you know. What not what. Public policy should look like but she public policy to exist at all. I mean that's a long theoretical road to to assure you still set the site there and then see how far you can get well. But that's kind of saying the site is set for you know let's Let's a ball income tax rate. Let's have that conversation right. That's a good libertarian. Conversation to have and There's lots of people i think. Both sides of the political spectrum versed in economics. They can. They can have that. They can have that conversation once income taxes gone. I mean then than what's next you know was the next kind of milestone you wanna reach and but yet it is. It's an uphill thing you keep you keep pushing for more and we. We have had success. I mean you know a lot of it is our and i think part of the problem with reaching out to left wing or liberal. People with libertarian ideas. Now is that most of the stuff. That was a libertarian. Ideas that appealed to the left wing. That's all been the you know for the most part it's been accepted. I mean you know anti-war marijuana legalization. Keep marriage we pioneered that. That was the really statement that kind of went viral. And even in american circles with beck as it was nice encapsulation or at least in the social end of things. I want to see what gay married couples protecting their marijuana crops with guns. Yeah yeah. I think it was an donald trump. Junior has it up on his instagram k. Now and i think it was. I think it was one of our graphics to be on. Yeah it was a mean kind of when it was brilliant door knocking. The hard part was trying to explain. New person would have liberal libertarian. Is much less so that kind of put it into the problem with that was with those three statements. Everybody's gonna agree with at least one of them but almost everybody's gonna disagree with you. You don't end up drawing in people you make them nod their head to then shake their hand. You still get their frigging vote. Yeah but it's still getting other. It was just fantastic and it really shows where we're at all three of those back to that line of europe bugging me. I don't care. But unfortunately contemporary liberal in canada wouldn't like that firearm aspect of real liberals them contemporary liberals been ruined. It's i that bothers me more than anything in a firearms. A you're a conservative class. just a social conservative. I have a problem with the married couple or and the pot you know do they anymore. Though i mean those those ones have kind of been and as you said that is part of pushing to to get that out. And i think vince great. Yeah i know. I have you know i have friends. That are very socially conservative and I gay marriage isn't a. It's not a thing for them anymore. It's it's not a it's not an issue means they don't want you know even even You know other. You know abortion you know. There's a few things that that's going to that divides libertarians more than anything. It's the to bore shen and borders right. And i mean you'll you'll see a lot of And i and i think that's where libertarian theory. It does it there. There's a few separate paths. You can take their and i don. I don't know what the right answer is to those things. But what i do is that the we're the ones Looking at it from a from a Will you know it's not as strict. It's not a strict ideology that way. I mean we were look you can you can dissect these issues for To these issues to to find an answer this actually the works for most people right a rare one that can handle all of them. Fortunately they're rarely one of my league mentioning him offense. Paul hinman political mentor in past years. When he's leading the over an alliance with during the wild rose party on now. He's lea leader of the independence party. Paul is a fully observant mormon. He's conservative person. Socially personally when it comes to things like worship gay marriage but he's also the one who told me. I have to read the law. My best here yeah. He is very much of the are my beliefs. This is how i feel. But i don't feel it's the state's place to impose these beliefs if i wanted to anybody you said. Hey i'm interested in the book and he'll pull you aside. Well let's go have a candidate coffee and have a glass of water and chat about it. Yeah but until you ask whatever that's fine that's your business and he's got his business week feels there is a world where you can live personally as a very socially conservative person but not feel that. It's this policy exception right now. I would like to see more audience. Not necessarily i mean. I'm very i don't know i i i've ever really seen like social conservatives of taken up the the free speech mantle you know. They're they're the ones you know they there because they want to defend their religion. They want to defend their right to be able to say things that maybe i don't agree with what they want. They want to. They want the right to be able to voice their opinion. And that is you know. That's a huge. That's a huge step in. You know if you go back to the sixties or whatever. Where was i mean. They were the ones trying to suppress severi speech on the shutdown rock and roll ghanians and discussions. And now the. Yeah so. I mean i you know i'm i'm an optimist i think. All libertarians are optimists because You know as a libertarian. You believe the people are able to make the ray choice for themselves. They don't need to be monitored they don't need to have decisions made for End up in education so as an optimist. I you know i think that the world is moving in a libertarian direction. You know as you know. We have a lot a lot of stuff that we're trying to figure out great like there's a lot of conversations you know that you know like around free speech you know there's things going on where governments are getting in the way of liberty But for the most part i. I'm i'm very optimistic. That we will iron that out you know and that both sides of the you know what you would call. The traditional political spectrum are moving in that direction. And so maybe it's just us putting our ideas out there or at least keep having these conversations it right. Do you see your side pushy. Towards smaller government. If i see better and i you're absolutely right. I were not pushing towards smaller government yet but these things. That sort of thing does go in cycles. I mean you you know it wasn't that long ago that You know the liberal party was the small government party and then it became the in that it became the big government party league with pearson when he came in with the healthcare that's large role for the government for sure if he goes back to like deepen baker as as Conservative he that he his big thing was pension was. Pensions is big thing. Was you know monetary controls You know he was a big government guy right and In so these things do want cycles i. I don't see our current conservative government. They're not a small government party either but I think it will happen. I will it's going to happen one way or another is the problem you collapse. It could collapse exactly in and we are. we are on that path. And i don't again. I don't take a pessimistic. Look at that. I mean if you you know the canadian dollars in a lot of trump right Canadian debt is is is totally. It's mind boggling than the unfunded liabilities in the cpap or employment insurance That stuff's all going to start unraveling the The government can deal with it. It's not politically popular to deal with it. So i doubt it will. It'll probably turn into a big problem and then something has to change so whether we can walk into volunteer voluntarily powerfully in and make changes beforehand I don't see that happening. But it's not a bad thing if if things go south. Either i mean philosophic a full tehran price law. There's a certain futility and indecision over hit and i think anybody even a little bit of economic knowledge. No so we can't carry on like some kick you borrowing like this. we can't keep kicking. That can down the road. It's gonna crash and that decisions get made for you but it's not should be on your terms when you get to that point and well. It's not but you know like canadians don't have anything anyway. I mean let's. Let's be realistic. The average canadian live hand to mouth but they live paycheck to paycheck. Personal debt levels are are personal debt levels horrifying the we we have nothing to lose like at the end of the day Some people have savings The average canadian doesn't But again most most canadians who have savings it's invested in companies have assets. They have Real estate they have those sorts of things. So if you know the dollar collapses it's not like we just need a new waited make transactions. That's not that's not the end of the world And but it will. It will happen if unless they unless they don't change course. Maybe something's got to correct the elite some sort of real property or something during that transitional period you if there's inequity between the top and the bottom during the reset. Oh yeah you're going to see the week really hard time. Well i don't know. I think that the weaker people standard-bearer chance that the people who You know construction workers oil guys who go and take pool resources to the ground. I don't see the labor. I know i don't see them as weak but but but i mean those are those are people. They're still gonna be going to work right. I mean the ones dependent on government largess all right to the bottom of or something. Nobody likes top. There is a welfare class of their own and they are going to be in excessive trouble as well as a lot of people in paper shuffling positions. Well those yet. I mean the the bureaucrats should realize that they're in trouble. They should leave their bureaucratic jobs. They should become part of the productive. Economy you know so that You know i mean you know as a so so that they can contribute to what what kind of Social and Infrastructure things that the government should be supplying rather than just milking they're milking they're bureaucratic jobs waiting for their pension But yeah and then the people in the welfare trap. That money's dry up but again you know. It's i have lost sympathy for people who legitimately need help and i want to help those people i i don't want but i don't wanna i don't wanna take what take money from food off somebody else's table by force to do it i you know In the correction when it happens will. I think you'll see decent people like yourself myself. I'm you know. I'm ready to feed my neighbors if they need it right. I'm ready to help them out. If they end up versus the hand out. I mean people about compassionate conservatism. I mean most humans. Feel a the. Just wanna be our choice. Who choose to help. I mean i was pretty clear. A lot of that to charity isn't over the question. it's just we don't need the state the gun to my head by neighbor to shame me into it. I will choose will. Yeah want or not want to help and in fact i mean the the honorable way of going about it is without going. They know the even if you're a person that needs that help. The honorable thing is to accept charity from your friends and family and neighbors. That'd be the role of the church. It used to be the role of church. Yeah and and. I think the the church that i go to they are still involved. You know they do a lot of stuff in and in fact. That's what you know that type of charity work is what brought me to the church. You know But you know it. There's been you know. Now there's a stigma like like taking money from the government that's acceptable taking money from Or take you know getting help from your neighbor. There's you know that's all. I can't do that. A wait for the government to help me out in that and the amount of damage that is incurred on a community because of that type of attitude. I mean that it needs to needs to change as cultural and again. Yeah if we bought a out that might be the catalyst elitism better. It ended another generation talking too long game here. i well. Yeah but maybe not. I mean lake in covent. Take a little while we'll it i don't know i mean i think something better exists. I think those. I think those systems are in place already. The churches still exist a nonprofit organizations charities still exist. I don't i don't think people are gonna wait. You know say the canadian dollar collapses say the government loses You know their their power their control. Whatever they say the government just the federal government particular provincial governments are credible sources of authority I don't think people are gonna wait for researchers. They're not gonna wait for something to happen. They're gonna go out and make something happen. Unfortunately those are the types of incentives we need if things are going to change a number of dystopia divisions that could come from that. And if if we're talking about what's weak or strong survivalist meet as like my acreage. Just see part wagga chickens. it's better. i'm getting bs next year as an independent septic system and water. Well just if the shit really hits the fan. I've got a degree of independence. Two for just the necessities of life. And i like that too. But i don't i you know i mean we have the internet now. I don't see supply chains breaking down to that to that point. We i just a very excellent thing to bring up. We've got a means where we could at least do an trade amongst each other. that never had before. I mean yeah. We're selling eggs through facebook. I mean it just is a sideline which is true. It could be a fantastic tool like. I think you've got a nicer vision of human nature. Libertarian details own firearms you know but but for protecting was i may already have because not every person may feel that they should trade for my product stronger. They take it. Yeah yeah no i do. Yeah like. I say i'm a i'm an optimist i i don't own firearms It's it's kind of been a sticking point with in some libertarian circles. Because i'm i consider myself somewhat of a pacifist be honest alto delivered exactly. You don't have to. You know. I mean i want but in but some people are into guns i want them to have all the guns they want and i i can understand why going out in the bush and shooting guns. That's fun. I totally understand that. It's not for me I don't know. I think i think again. The libertarian party is You know maybe pandered a lot to gun owners trying to get that part of the corner that market and And so for me it was it was always a ilias sticking point. 'cause i i don't i don't know anything about guns to be honest. They you know you don't want i'm the person you don't want to have a gun because i don't know how to use one. I don't know how to clean it. I don't i don't know proper safety bigger bigger questions. Something i kind of funny ironic after the black lives matter. Defunding the police so on which has some merit some things so when we're talking about community based individual placing the as much as our police culture has some serious issues to deal with problems. They're still these better trained been a lot of the individuals on the ground and we saw for example. There's a whole bunch of issues sprouted when the protesters came into that area. That guy and his wife were. He said she had her hands ghost. Yeah it was great. And they're protecting their property which should be a right yeah. It's the same time you know. These are people that are dangerous with firearms taylor. A little scary. They were terrified. Could a passive situation something very tragic quickly yet so again you're finding that balance between entrusting people with some very serious ability to harm yet Well i mean mean. I like if people wanna these if they want to have a serious conversation about defunding the police i like. I'm the guy that wants to have that conversation. Also why it's over those protesters but that's there's the consequence if you're going to really defend i mean these people are going to protect themselves. You might not like the way they're going to do. Yeah absolutely yeah so. I live in a condo complex. Look at town town house kind of thing and you know if we're relying on the police the police aren't actually gonna prevent any crime from happening in my my home or in my complex react community yet. It's reactive exactly Being all i could see. I could see defunding. The police. it. The calgary we have City police say defended somewhat You know your buddy cianci is he gonna actually cut taxes to compensate for that So you take this money out of the police budget. It it's Taken out of your property taxes. And then you hire like if i was to have that money and hire private security in my condo complex That's actual that's actual safety. That's that's actual. Somebody they're making sure is. Nothing happens preventative. There's a burglar is driving by his place. They see the fellow who's sitting there reading a magazine a trained individual to respond and protect the property. That place going to go further down. Yeah so i mean. That's those are the type of ideas like those are real conversations to be had. I know a lot of libertarians and conservatives. They just take that the police thing. And it's a terrible idea but i i. I think it's a conversation worth half a passing the motivation. I mean in just reducing the size and budget in general okay. We're taking also ten percent of the arts budget and we're taken ten percent out of the auditing staff. Whatever gives started on the app. I'm just being nice. I'd rather get rid of her saying if it was. A couple of the motivation was to reduce expenditure. Yes i can live with that but with this motivation right now is more thumbing their nose at an institution they do not like and i kind of figured that it's hurting offices and potentially making the more dangerous absolutely this without adult yet know for sure but yeah it's complicated. I like the private security idea for sure. We get challenged. The people were ninety. We've got an anecdote last year with a really challenging year. It was about a year ago now. Pub got robbed twice. The first time i've been i've done very well in a rural area. I did have an archaic alarm system. But i got out of the habit of setting it up and just locked the doors. Leave the place for the night. These guys broken selling a smashed window. They got in. They stole a bunch of liquor. Bit a penny cash Hooked toast drop to an atm and tried hauling. It didn't manage to succeed. Did a lot of damage in the process and the cost us thousands and they was stressful and terrible and they ended up either way that that happened. These guys left a big mess to clean up. I've got a lot of damage they used. Crowbars to smash cameras inside the bar things walls we got through that these guys on a crime spree they robbed a number of partisan hilaria break creek and further up. Same bunch and you see on the video cameras. They were all dressed the same we later. They hit us again. They waited until we fixed our doors and everything else. This second time. I did learn. I'd set new alarms. They were on we cameras. We changed our practices. The atm was open so they couldn't see cast. There is nothing to take the details. Were open because they tore those wires. Yes here there's nothing to take. The liquor is locked away. There's nothing to take care so these guys broke. They set off the alarm. It was a week later. I live a hundred and fifty meters norman off but i'd had trouble sitting at night. Just didn't think if i had to get robbed again. So i just kind of slowly dressed ready vehicle sped down. The road passed me while i was getting ready to leave those arrived at the bar. They'd smash the door. They got in realized that. I take everything value. So then they just took a crowbars and smash the shit out of my bar before they left in two minutes. But they smashed mirrors the cash machines my terminals magyar everything. They just went to town and thousands of damage to my place getting further on this whole thing for one thing. I responded that night. I was not on our yet. I didn't encounter them. I miss them by a minute. Literally as her hammer determined later. Because i just slowly got dressed in king down and they just spent down the road why we got four of those guys who did that. Washington's tributary guys girl. They get charged later. Two of them been charged with murder. Since then which are two separate mertz. Yeah one was a probably you heard in the news. They're trying to find the body of sheen smith. Change smith was one of the burglars actually and his buddy an amber crombie was one of the other burglars. He killed shane through the river. And they're still trying to find the body that you've been seeing justice. Shane science and everything of that. These clowns and there was another fellow. Abercrombie amber chrome. He has named wasn't he went. Shut a nineteen year old up in airdrie because he was a apparently a killing his girlfriend or something. So what i'm getting at is. These guys works seriously screwed up and clearly dangerous people yet. If i actually met them that night the second time it would have ended really really badly because law enforcement officer. I was on and i don't think these guys would have held still either. I would have been beaten to death of those warriors. Or i would have shot all of them or any combination and be done. So you're getting to the end of a long story. And i needed protection for my business property but i wasn't trained willing enough to do it and we wouldn't have the means to keep ongoing security in a rural spot like that. So that's where we start getting into having of larger police force and a communal sense. Sure except the police force isn't security. I mean it other preventative again. See if they responded that alarm. It'd be sure. Yeah yeah yet. Had they responded. Why didn't they respond. Well our response times. This gets farther up. Because i do believe in some more. Private security are response times. Every forty minutes of corruption can get there that fast they can if they happen to be reading a ticket up the road and just happened to be close by they would have but they had a huge area cover and we can't spend enough to have enough police say a long story but he skied a complicated issue. It's a it's a complicated issue there. You know when you you're always going to have some sort of Deviant people unfortunately. I don't think there's any getting rid of that and But there's no there's no perfect no there's no there's no formula a full answer. I know you're not but unfortunately there is no formula for dealing with those types of people. There's no perfect answer. There's no perfect system. I guess you know. But i believe that whatever the answer is it should be made but people who are impacted. Whatever the solution is it should be made by the people who are immediately impacted. It should be made by the people who are in that community you know it should be separated from even a municipal government but definitely a provincial government. Definitely federal government. You know it should be Those types of decisions on what how things should be policed. How security should operate should be done. It should be done on a local level. Very local letters different needs in different areas as as part of the problem blanket police forces because they can't necessarily a doubt to the needs and it's funny because we have a block watch and i was a rural crimewatch. We call there. Is that organization but we were talking about assistance on patrol thing. I'm getting it together. Which never did get rolling through when that was happening to me. The other places getting robbed as well so citizens and boy. The police did not like that at all at all was that they're worried about vigilante groups. They're worried about because we were talking about we'll are places are getting robbed and it's been happening. A lot to rural properties around there and a couple of locals might just put in shifts most drive around and watch the what. What are you gonna do if you encounter somebody in the midst of something and if it's dangerous people like these guys. Do you wait forty minutes while at best than you were just a mobile alert system. Yeah even that is what's that is That's not bad. That's preventative things in the vehicle. Goat around late may reduce it is but we empower the individuals. That depend is it. I've just i'm poking into this. Because i find your individual firearm thing because you understand the derek dangerous firearm. Yeah yeah no i. E for them. There's definite need for them. I mean i want. I want to guy with a gun protecting me I'm just not i. Don't you know. I just guns just on my my right so you can hire somebody else to do something. That's outsourcing. that's kaplan or are you hiring trained security professional or angeles few extra bucks we. Well i mean again. Maybe it's a maybe it's both of those things this phone number terry discussions. I you know it's just. There's just no simple answers but there are no simple answers. I i i see defunding. The police can work. If we can empower individuals yet over surp- for sir can work in a lovely empower empower communities. I mean did defunding. Like i like that conversation because that is all this is a defunding the police. When was the last time you heard the left. Talk about defunding. Anything cuts cuts the any big government program. Well they're not going to cut taxes on the police just poured into something else but well and unfortunately yeah that is there. That is their mo right now but But it's it's a it's an issue that I think the precarious could potentially it. Just it opens the door for. Libertarians are for the most part on what we would consider the right of the spectrum to some degree and And these people in the left talking about defunding the police. I just think it's a it's a great opportunity to walk in and say okay. You want the fund. The police here. I can give you like murray. Rothbart the model on how you actually do this. Eroded in the in the late seventies right circle that. We've talked libertarian. Thanks so the social issues. This is a contemporary issue. That's hitting big in the news. Maybe going to close things off. How can we as libertarians in the party of the individuals. What do you think they should be doing that to jump on this because the issues hot now you something else. It's going to be in the scroll this is a good one. Which should they be doing what they what should they be doing right now. You you know for for libertarians. Classical liberals Minner types the they do. They need to build coalitions in the they have a lot of coalitions on the right but not enough to to to form any actual political influence here and Have have conversations like we're right we know we're right. Okay look thing so yeah we like pixel anyway but don't make a person wrong like have that conversation you know if you're going to like pick any kind of subject in your door knocking the minimum wage some not gonna door you tell them you're libertarian. They say well. I think the minimum wage should be whatever fifteen twenty thirty dollars an hour. Whatever it is it. You have to understand that what that what that person ashley wants is for people to be able to succeed for people to be able to make money and saddam. Just start giving the statistics on how the minimum wage is is backwards. So it doesn't work get what they're saying and then build on that like yeah. Want people to build a feed their families to. That's what i want. Here's how we're going to do that. Here's another way to accomplish. Seem rather in your face while you're eating it for me for being on my porch. Slant yeah we're we're we're good being right we're not we're not good at At it properly explaining our our ideas are foundational. Kind of ideas are appreciate that because that is part where abrasive people just not gonna change. You need to change the others. You have to if they aren't going to swing nothing's changing. Yeah absolutely well. They've got a lot of means to go yet. That'd be a good group of people with a lot of good ideas. If they can get together. I look at things like the buffalo declaration for example that a handful of members of parliament put up yet document. It's not binding. It's just ideas really. Evocative to some libertarian document. That would Talk about an policing alternatives. If you can get some people on board. Abc's should be. Yeah it look. The police issue is on you. Know there's is only one of many more would have every issue where You know today. That's it's the yet. Yeah yeah that's what they're talking about today and the other thing. Yeah i mean myself is libertarian. I have a hard time keeping up with the news cycle. Time i've by the time life thoroughly thought through my response to something. It disappeared out of the news cycle a week ago and it can be pretty fluent. Oh we'll solve all the world's problems yet. I think we covered a few today. Starting to run long and again turn the ears. Long enough libertarian issues here. We can cover more at another chat. Sometimes anytime thank you very much thank you.

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"Hook" by Blues Traveler (w/ Amir Blumenfeld)

Punch Up The Jam

1:12:22 hr | 1 year ago

"Hook" by Blues Traveler (w/ Amir Blumenfeld)

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You're talking yeah. So here's Intro Song Day. I like the song. You know him guessing. Now though okay just lightly the bedroom you know him From he's a CO founder of had gone all the music to know how to complement to song versus. Just go on to. What you did was perfect? I was hoping you do I. Also for a second thought. It was the vitamin C Song Song. Yeah it's that it is Taco bells cannon. That's right which is really good. Do you know why I played that Song because I'm smart. That's right yes second. I'm here came in and I was like we play a song. Sounds like those like smart Raisin Bran commercials. Okay I'm here. Thank you for coming on of course thank you for waiting until I was ready and then finally having me on am fully ripe edged and I think that's only can you you please sorry. I'm not trying to offer your choice. Can you tell me why you're like Hook by Blues Traveler. It was IT IS I. It's still is my favorite song. That's not a jail. No that's not a joke like when I was growing up favorite songs like mine is hooked by Blue Stragglers. You you I was just an eleven year old Jew from the San Fernando Valley and my brother had the four CD which is the name of the city by Blues Traveler. Yeah there's basically really three good songs on it. Run around the one. Everyone knows. Yeah well I would say run around and Hook are the two that everybody knows. Maybe maybe fair. Yeah so run around is good I listened to run around Roxanne trailers something like that that the Dolphin and it loves the golden retrievers. Yeah okay good around the world. That's a different song. The right time to rule. That's the third song anyway. 'cause that there's you WanNa give me a run around. That's the one and then the song that I love my favorite was hook not the hook. Just Hook yes. Hook the Robin Williams movie. Yes and it probably all we both came out in like ninety four. This is ninety four. Yeah the same year as probably years old son. Yeah okay so this was much better than so. I didn't like this it. I didn't like cool music. I didn't like like my brother lives in a Bush and I'm like no that's too intense for me. I'm eleven Clinton. Yeah I was born in eighty three so as eleven and ninety before came out runaround hook right up my alley loved him. Look can you explain to me. I'm just so excited about this because a it's painting such an eccentric picture of you as a young. Oh boy oh really eccentric. It doesn't it doesn't make sense knowing me. Now that I loved blue stragglers Hook I feel like if you told me my favorite songs Hook at eleven in and I looked at you I would be great. That man will grow up to exclusively take care of his facial hair and have a wide collection of FIDORA's antique rifles. It's interesting okay. So the Fedora thing. I've never had but I do like Jason Mraz with the rifle thing. It's too extreme too many weaponry. I don't like the weapon stuff stuff okay. Okay Fully shaved face. I guess I did have until I could grow beard so here. We are now but you don't have intricate designs. Oh Yeah Oh. You thought that kind of person selects Bluestar Chinstrap. Yeah never did that. What do you call like when it's just under the ball of your Chin soul fat so so I either? I defied the odds or you're wrong about what kind of hysteria close-minded ask trail. I don't think blue travelers douche music. But maybe I'm not maybe I'm wrong and I am a do. Maybe I maybe think everyone's a dish that might be a me thing. Yeah what I will say is part of my research on on this. I was hard pressed to find too much about the song I did find a little. But since we've already segue into this the lead singer John Popper which sounds like a fake name right. Gastric bypass surgery injuries. Though you film no did he have that. I think he got from very fat. Really Skinny so I'm assuming he's okay. Yeah well maybe I don't know I'm going to tell you this part okay. He's a proud libertarian. Ryan and an avid collector weaponry including firearms old swords hopper working ten thousand dollars American. A considerable war candidate got it. So that's why you thought the rifles and also two dollars so I loved his singing his harmonica playing. Did he play the Harmonica. Yes okay I have more respect now not seen the video of him performing the song. No I just listened to the song I felt like that was enough fucking guitar. And then he does the Harmonica Solo and then and he starts. Singing and singing sounds like the harmonica. This is the only song past nineteen eighty. I can think of that. Has a rip Oren Harmonica Raid Harmonica Solo. I'm so excited to listen to it. If nothing else to scream the whole time I love it well. Those are shocked to find out this album for for that you mentioned six times platinum. Yeah well I was one of those platinum so I bought a million times one hundred thousand or is it a million I think implant familiar. Holy Shit it. I would guess their original band name was blues band travelers better. They changed it. Can you guess after Hill. Why why did they change it from Bantu traveler because heels? Exactly true once you find out. What is traveler the movie north with Elijah? Wood luck that. It's the second part of the name of go. Zor The traveler cluster. I see I see okay. The Primary Demon Horse Yeah. Obviously I'm not reading that off my notes. I know y'all know that. Yeah I knew that. Of course just like I knew clearly. This is a fedora band. Based on nothing Eh. I mean popper definitely were fedora invest. It feels right doesn't it. Yeah but he was a bigger man so I couldn't pull off those look. It's also interesting. You said that because they're wikipedia. Yeah page I don't mean maybe the Stru I have no idea. I don't know anything clearly but They say attributed the lack of the group becoming even and bigger than they were to one of the members. I don't even have his first name. She hand Mike died a few years into their success. I know I didn't another and they list poppers quote struggle with obesity. There is. There's the baby the gastric bypass situation. Can you imagine your weight getting you draft from your record deal. He was a big dude. What does it matter if he's greater harmonica and can sing? I wasn't offended by it but I guess they thought it hurt his marketability. Fuck fuck off. Sorry you're right it's stupid it's all he's old female singer he can look whatever whatever he wants. I I mean I hope in two thousand seventeen. We're like a little voter. Yeah it's crazy to think this was twenty five years ago stop. Is that true for starting. That can't be right. I'm thirty thirty. Made me say I wanNA feel old. I'm thirty one year. Old Hook came out in ninety four. Yeah I knew that already and I don't don't feel old at all I'm GonNa tell you why now I actually played pocket bells Canon in D Major. Because it's a great song. Oh because he uses it in the song the Chord Progression of Hook. No wonder I love both. Yes so if you don't know the song we'll get into in a second but the lyrics of the song whole premise of the song. It's all commentary maybe even satire on the BANALITY AND VACA snus. Who can say that's a song about songs so it's over? It's like a interesting satire as you said about `Bout Pop Music Wall being very pop music itself and becoming popular yes and now here we are adding a third level of Meta commentary. That's it doesn't matter what I say as long as I- podcast with inflection. It's true that's the first line right. Should we should make that up. I mean I think you're writing the punch up right now. Oh my God Marc Maron Ira Glass like what is this serial Joe Rogan. We're GONNA punch it up and I'm afraid to try but I'm down to give it a go. You'd have to punch the fast part which is like the rap. Yeah it's not. I wouldn't even call it a wrap. I was calling her. It's more of us a ditty. Scooby Doo pop up. See now I feel like we're in the blues traveler vernacular right so in the same vein that the lyrics are just like. Here's some lyrics because none of the ship matters the hooks. What you came here for? The music is kind of saying the same thing by saying what if we took the most pedestrian basic chord structure structure as implemented in Canon in D. which is a one five four three? I mean this is to really basic chord. So change the not the sing the notes to me parallels cannon right Yep but then how is this hook so they changed the key. So that'll sound a little different to you. Because it's the I think that's in d major and then I think Blues travelers in a major God. This is so they just like this song. This is really fucking good right definition of good is I guess. Are you not listening tonight. Like Oh this is great. I don't I hate to be negative on a song. Someone loves but I guess if I were to try to put in the most political terms I would would just say that I fuck off just practicing. You'RE GONNA say I would say no offense but you're really stupid the no fence now I would say that it just reads like but rock to me which was like it could be any song specifically. It's like AAC Carrio key at us like a podunk town. One Stop Light Towns Strip Mall Mall Bar Karaoke night where the guy goes and sings all every song because no one else ever sings. Give me like a song that you can view in the same exact way so like hook is basically like okay. Great idea on understand how you treat it because to me the songs in a plus plus okay. It feels like a blues easier to princes. He says if you want to come. That's okay what about one headlight. What's that week and drive home with one head like you don't even know that saw it's happening here my like ninety one years old combat? Even Jacob Dylan Bob Doing son Yes. I know they're Thurs own now. You don't know okay song. I know it's one society you and I do you. Yes it definitely feels like. There's what chips on the floor is someone's wearing a fedora. There's there's some eccentric facial hair in fact. There's a harmonica happening at the same time. Doesn't that elevated a little bit above two princes. You know it. I'm maybe I'm getting mixed up with this band and the Blues Brothers. Okay that's fair. I am describing the visual blues brother's just to set like to set the tone of where I'm coming coming from the context. I'm I'm like I grew up like kind of like a comedy nerd and a music like dumb ass so like I was like yeah I was like ooh. Let's watch SNL. I hear you but then when it came to music I'm like I just love top forty pop music. I think that this is there for for what this genre is. They're doing it. Well I just think that this is a genre that loses its appeal at least to me but especially really now that it's twenty six years old. Okay it feels like a little too accessible and maybe a little too normal formal me but maybe I also am a pretentious Dick. Yeah that's possible okay. You don't remember the song coming out either. Well I actually have not tried ever heard this song long before. So why was it on your list of songs that I can choose from. I think listeners suggested it okay cool. So they're smart. They're smart clearly so when you're listening to the song you had never heard of before. Yeah interesting yeah no when I when I clicked the sections for this episode. I was hearing it for the first time. Or let's start because I like it too much to just like I have to save one one of the things that is from Devon D. Matia from Patriot. WHO Says I've only ever heard hook on the radio and I was always half listening so I didn't even know it was called Hook? I've always just thought of it as that. Blues Traveler Song. That isn't run around and after actually paying attention to the lyrics this time is this song song just about how hard writing songs just about. Is this song just brilliant song about. How songs are catchy? Yeah it is just about that. That's right Dan. It is just the greatest. Did you like fucking adaptation or is the movie just about making a movie. Last time I check that was a pretty well respected film. I mean actually. I do love Kaufman so again you are proving the point that maybe I am a pretentious. Okay so here's how the songs start. Start this great. It's good right off. The Bat feels like I'm out of High School Party and someone picked up guitar awesome. That's a great to have you uh-huh oh her Monica Solo propert like Greg. It's beautiful I swear to God someone's going to come out carrying a chicken. That's Great I. I love chicken. I absolutely appreciate that. You were unwilling to be discouraged by thank you know. I mean this is my favorite favorite song. You're not going to be like you're not going to prove to me that I don't love it. I don't want to and I feel like so often when I have a different opinion someone especially if I'm negative in their positive they feel suddenly and like I'm barrister ashamed and I don't think you should. I think you should stand by your opinions right. Stand by your man. That's a great man. Is John Popper now. Let's hit the lyrics. It doesn't matter what I say EH. Neta funny clever but musically interesting. It doesn't matter what I say as long as I sing with inflection and he sings that with inflection what he thinks it was so how much inflection. It's virtually impossible to understand what you're saying sure to me. I hear it but to you. Maybe not also. Your favorite song is my favorites and this is my second time ever ever hearing. That's true are you not taking by the juxtaposition of I cannot think of another term but rock style of music within this delicate. I I don't know semi Yodel like like at some point. It's vibrato maybe a little Tremolo and then other times he's just like I. You know what those words mean but sure and it sounds great to me next line. It doesn't it doesn't it wasn't like I love to eight comes from a place in his throat that makes me think he just drink lots of milk and his waistline that makes me think that he drank more than one glass of milk. You Thatch even twenty nine. A mere ninety four he's sending you're chuckling just to get into the episode okay. I'm willing to go on but I will say at this point as a listener I would have skipped the song. Lost me by seeing that. Just a teeny bit to passionately. Although I do respect that perhaps this is all joke and that you would've you would've missed a harmonica solo which is not even singing so I feel like even you would like that part are Monica so you do not remember the Monica Solo. Forget her Monica. So I'm just shocked that you go folks like a girl who loves her. Mom doesn't I mean again. I think the song should be universally adored so next time. Thanks you. It's not true. Okay yes you're GonNa have to tell me what he just said. Yeah absolutely that makes you feel. I'll convey some inner truth vast reflection. Okay so it doesn't matter what I say so long as I sing with inflection. That makes you feel all convey some inner truth or vast reflection which I think he's trying to tell us with the way he's performing this. That's what I'm doing what I'm saying but just because the way I'm singing it makes it sound like I'm reflecting. I'm feeling it so hard. You assume I must be singing about something real which is better better than a song about a fucking car right. Are you billy ocean. Most songs are about like a Louver or a lifestyle or out castes. Track record it's always sex drugs okay. Every songs about sex or drought so you got to give him an Adeboye some gaps for making a song. That's not about any of that stuff. It's about singing a song kind of clever. I think it's clever is that you just said Atta boy and depths to expressions haven't heard since nineteen th I. Yeah I will and I also think it's hard to criticize his vocal performance because it's potentially all just for the sake of the bit. Yes but it is so funny he commits can is like he just actually has has moments of silence in the middle of a run. Yep He's so committed to sounding so committed but he's good. Okay the next line is I can keep it up as long as it takes close. But I've said nothing so far so so it sounds like he's engaged doesn't accent now and it really doesn't matter you are. CV hadn't on the run. Yeah so if I'm doing my job it's your resolve that breaks. He so it's like it doesn't matter that I've said nothing so far as long as I'm doing it like this y'all keep listening is true. I kept listening to that. became my official favorite song got hopper upper pops me I lost my virginity to John Popper and not like he was playing in the background. No I'm saying he fucks Ling's that's right and I have to come on this one part that he actually. I think I have to assume John. I'm sorry if you were trying to sing beautifully and I assumed you were deliberately trying to zing paddling or at least ham it up so fucking hard that it can't be serious but then there's one moment where it kind of falls apart where he for a second. Does this beautiful. The rain here are that can run and go right back into cheese land. Oh interesting to. It's all good so it's interesting that you liked that one word more than the other words. You don't alerts the way. The data are not eric the way that the note he the dissension right. So it don't matter you are. You don't hear how that is complementing. The cord under it and how far more interesting way than every other note so far I do not. There's no party do. That's what I say to. Every fucking line of the song was whole line. This whole fucking songs do the guitars. Great Armata is ooh the singing definitely just singing. You just make one category because it all sounds good because it's all popper and it's all now. Oh what's the up to paper. I heard even. Though he's a prob libertarian. He was rallying for Bernie. Interesting Bernie Bro. If you lose a lot of weight is your voice this change. Oh that's a good question like. Could he sing the song today and sound the same I mean. I don't hear any part of this vocal as like contingent on the size is of his body. But maybe 'cause I saw Brian Wilson recently and he sounds like Randy Newman but that might be an age thing. Your Voice. Yeah definitely degrades as you get older. No question I I mean I sent Shittier than I did when I was like nineteen really. Isn't that sad. It's that quick interest eleven years and here we are an old maid maiden voyage unmarried carried. Thirty okay I have to also comment on the way that he has his accent on the second. Half of this verse. That suddenly sounds. I hate to keep referencing. That Parker Intrigued Ellen. But it very much. Sounds like a sal trace Dodoma Parker knowing park correct. You continue today you just sit there. And he's the other did you switch them and then I switched. I'm like no shoes right and now that I'm talking about it. I don't need Parker and Matt Stone. Yeah no it's Trey Parker and stone and now I don't remember if you said that originally either way honestly someone needs to who I am out of control. I wasn't that stone. Yes it is harder could just not. We don't know if we just change the order of train. Trey and Matt said shape I think stone coming from a duo that always came into specific order. I have a very low tolerance changing that order and luckily this is all recorded. I don't know if you saw the microphone on your face but we can go back and listen. I'm doing my job. It's your resolve. That breaks listen to the like. Do you hear the South Park of this. Oh Oh yeah I can hear that if I'm doing Derby Madrid. If they're stealing our jobs they took our jobs. They took our jobs. Yeah Okay and now finally chiller Hook brings us back. God the socks. Yeah why not in time and is that not out in time. I think it arrived quite punctually by that. Listen to the background Vogel here okay. So the hood brings you back and in the background vocals. I don't I don't have any volume in my hand so I'll just guess this is on and then the backup vocals were like. We're GONNA go our own way. We'll meet up later. Is that him earth. That sounds like him to me. So he's lowering his own on top of it yourself so he did what's called Bulgarian throat singing his throat. One cotton that's awesome to three tones to harmonize with himself. Bulgarian are- in throat singing. That is the thing that's not what this is. I'm absolutely full of Shit. You should affect me. The problem is I don't know anything so you can let him. I'm like a four year old. I'll believe anything you say about music. Zik Not in the world not about basketball that I do know stuff everything that yeah the balls are orange. Oh it's like three balls playing at the same time yes multiple. They do that sometimes. Times in double overtime referencing double Dutch guts. To Rove's YEP okay. I can't get over that background Vogel and it. Also how not hooky this hook part supposedly is how do you in your head. Will you be walking. This thing brings him Camac and then what. He's just out to the back song. Yes I will sing the chorus because again you're guessing the bridge. This is my favorite Song Long. The bridges the hook of the song which brings me back the this song that supposedly put the rap raps Gila do part. That's the only reason this song longest famous I will say that one hundred percent confidently definitely helps. But I wouldn't say it's the only reason do you remember the Harmonica Solo. Can you believe every time. Gosh you believe me. Correcting yelp perhaps incorrectly. Is there a worse. Look then correcting someone in Yubing raw. That's the worst thing do Home anytime it should middle name at this point. Somebody once told me that you should never correct anybody even if you're sure they're wrong because even if you're right you look like a jerk and if you're wrong then that's the worst thing I feel like. It's the golden rule and when I say something wrong I want to be told except on this podcast. Never tell me. I'm wrong unless you're actually on it but I do not want us to see something wrong on air and then get a thousand tweets about it should so annoying. I can't stop myself corrected people even though like. I know I shouldn't be doing it in real life. I want people to do that so I do that. And I have had it go quite badly many times so I probably shouldn't. It's not worth it. I was the best case. Scenario is you're right and they're wrong then you just walk away being an Arab with them. Yeah I was at Moma sitting in front of one of my favorite help. Help Help Art McKie's fuck one of my favorite paintings big dancers you know and all but sure it's the naked people it's meeting I love. I just sat there and like thirty minutes or so beautiful and then this lady because behind hi news like hi. Can you. Now sit there. I'm trying to take a picture and I was like that's pretty common and hops but like no problem and she's like yeah it's just my grandparents and now she's like while she's trying to hurriedly take this picture she's telling me her life story and I was like okay. I would've moved anyway but it's fine my grandparents just like you know we still have time. They're growing up and they just had this picture behind their toilet uh-huh and it's just like they just left Picasso the toilet and everything in my body was like. Don't say it but it just came I was like you mean Matiz. And then she got was like yeah whatever and I was like right. This wasn't a good luck ever. She's right whatever. Learn for me you. You mean your bathtub not your toilet. I tell that's what I detail about. Trey Parker mets. I'm like Oh eight no you surely mean the sink now. I'm wondering if you did say Matt Stone. No Matt Parker and stone. Listen may I have probably yes. We're you still wrong. Also yes yeah. Yeah I have to be right sometimes with both fucked up worse case scenario only okay right he will even the playing field each word wrong on account of three. Okay one two three Bono. No no big Joe Ity. Sorry continue listening to the chorus. Yep still awesome awesome continue. I have no notes popper said the whole Chorus Hook brings you back. Yes for some reason on the genius page Hook is with a capital H.. It's gone so interesting I ain't telling you no lie that's right the huck brings you back on that you can rely. That's right. Is this like a really shitty Pied Piper like rumpelstiltskin. What's happening? This feels like a riddle. Does it not it's Clever Self Referential Meta Song about singing clever is a strong word is clever. I if it's meant as a comedy I think it's funny. Okay if it's not meant as comedy you think it's funny you said it. We got it all right. She admitted it funny. Song Awesome Harmonica Solo. Her words not mine. You don't I think it's just funny even if the words weren't meant maybe or maybe not to be funny. That like that doesn't tickle you. It'll a a in a good way. Perhaps tackle sexy tickle okay or sickle eight honestly. This is a really cool moment for me during this podcast because I feel like maybe never very rarely have I been privy to a guest who has just genuinely such a different opinion than me. Yeah it's cool right it it actually has got a cool. I'm not kidding. I agree to me I would. I would hear this and be like come on. We all think this fucking shit and to have somebody be like no. I think there's this great like it's kind of tight. Yeah and I wonder if the majority of your listeners side with me or you I don't know I mean I post on Patriots on beforehand. What we're doing so that they can comment and pretty much? Everyone that commented was like fuck this song. Okay that makes sense. I don't know if that's a product of me. Having carved out a specific corner of the Internet that just mirrors what I do most listeners agree with their host. That's why they listen to the show if they hated what you said they would have stopped listening by now. Oh and the sun was really popular it was and I hope there are a few people out there. Like Amir's right. I'm glad he's just back down so mean to not to meet popper. Of course you could me too me popper come on the show. Can you imagine talking about your cannon for an hour and I get inside of it well I fit can shoot me. You think he knew knowingly stole cannon. Indeed this is this is. How cool is that music? People do that all the time like. Yeah that's what happens it's poss- I mean. I would say knowingly because it is so exactly the same court structure but I also could see that maybe It was just such a common structure. He also love that pocketfuls candidate so I wonder if you could recommend songs that also do this like wait. I love all these songs. I no idea they just were all se. Most songs use a combination of these chords in different order order so I looked up song I will come back. Yes and I love all pop songs. I will come back and talk about the graduation song. Yeah I've been wanting you that song it's do like I do like that song but only because I think I do have nostalgia attached to that that's right. That's what I'm saying like you're tasting. Music has nothing to do with anything since Star Wars. Like if he's US star wars today for the first time you look fine. I guess I just watched a growing as a kid. I think star wars if nothing else goes to the world building hold up a really watch it as a child though you're biased next line yes in fact Beck. I don't mean any of this. That's funny Songs so good. Perfect the engineer you guys dying. She's dying of agreement with me. She's dying because he's oscillating between the most like I'm not like Aaron Neville Eddie Vedder Tavernier's Leonard Cohen Meets Billy Bush Day. I fuck fuck in a bar and create this beautiful harmonica music voice. I think all all the way you did the impression was grabble. That's like he's pulling the depth of how but also there's a water burger there in an airport guy. Fieri has a show. Yeah poppers a little guy. Fieri is what I'm saying. It's like guy very good saying if a Turkey Burger had a harmonica that's described the song like of course guess what's on the side Bacon. Nice in more epic Kevin Bacon backed. I don't mean any of this. It's like a bloody Mary with a hamburger on top. There is something amiss. I am being insincere. In fact I don't mean any of this still my confession draws you near I think the part the part of why I can't find this. The funny is because it feels so fucking self-satisfied despite you think he's loving the fact that he's being so clever I mean he's pretty going for pretty hard. Yeah actually fuck you but you're gonNA keep listening because it's so so and I agreed with them and eleven years old and thirty six. I fought upgrade with F. You were radicalized okay. And then the second verse is to which I'm excited to see the vocal stylings. Okay you the so that one is like a Hook Peter Pan Reference right before we can even get to what he just said. I need to call it tension what he said because I will after I tell you that after that first line I was so delighted by the way he thanks to you to share. A moment of that was funny. My eyes were closed. Your eyes were so close. I was just looked like letting joy over being an awesome awesome wave. Looks like a child hearing music for the first time. It's like I knew got seaworld and I was going to try to drink. Some of seawater Shamu spits towards us. It's it's nine thousand nine hundred four. This is cruelly. It was all good because it was Wales and pauper because global warming didn't exist so what he said was to confuse the issue all refer to familiar heroes from long ago no matter how much Peter loved her. What made the Pan refuse to go which is like yeah famous line from the songs the fact that it's like oh he is referencing? Hook this the no all. He's doing he's literally even saying he's about to do it. I'm GonNa make you think this song has some hidden meaning by referencing. Some random thing that you like. And then you're gonna read into far more than it deserves in which is clever. Yeah except that. The song's name is Hook. And he just referred to Peter Pan. I do need to fact. Check this but what you're did come out. I WANNA say ninety two so it precedes this. Believe so yacht randy one fuck. You're correct though. I precedes this so I think that's is kind of cheap shot to be like we're all still basking in that movie we loved. Oh you think he's just Rubio. Am I right guys anyways. Yeah Yeah Oh you're saying he's like. It was so hot when I was a kid he was. I'm not having to say when I was a kid because otherwise it's creepy as yes but when I was a kid I was like Gimme a roof. You're one of those. What else did he have a burgeoning movie career? I mean if I had to gas. He wasn't white. Yeah and that would hurt people's careers especially Leland but even today Rubio Real I don't like that one what I'll say you don't like the movie. No I love of the movies. You don't hear me say Yeah Anti Your Lilly again. When I was a kid when I was kid not now now I only find Robin Williams about now only defying? Why people attractive? Oh come on you're thinking it Yeah I actually made me mad. I'm angry now I'm GonNa just go back to the of course. Okay a great because you know it's parts coming up the base. Sorry we need to revisit with. Did this okay played it and then I can hear it stop now. It's about to start no Shit Maria. uh-huh nobody talked during the Harmonica Solo. Faulk the reason I keep saying stop. I don't know Enough Blues Traveler to tell you if this is how he's he's saying or if this is him doing a bit just nod other singers yeah. He's doing a riff every single time. He's allowed to do a riff as a singer. That's an even save thing to do. Even if he just every time he has an opportunity to extend to note and tweak it he takes it okay. That's that's pretty self indulgent as a singer. That'd be like if every time you played guitar you added a little lick a tiny little solo. Everytime singing's is self indulgent. It's weird it to be like your hamming it up but you're also singing into a microphone every singers hamming it up. No one's being. We need to unpack this singing. His self indulgent at all. Because it's always you yelling into a microphone. There is no singing is yelling for some yeah. Singing is half yelling doing half making it sound. Good I guess and then next yelling is what you'd think sexy yelling always into a Mike and the Hammy don't you think I don't know the spotlight's on me Bro. Why don't you take a seat so then in your mind? All Art is self-indulgent a talking self-indulgent podcast for sure of but we. That's a known thing. Yeah I think even just on the base level speaking no is self-indulgent no be a performing self-indulgent because speaking performing conversation intersection can have a conversation with one person. I'm talking about performing in front of an audience. Okay so it's like look at look at me. Perform your mind syncing as in sing. I seem to understand Dan. Yeah singing in in of itself is a look at me move. Yeah that at that point no-holds-barred you can do anything just ham it up. So you just downstream yes. Yes Okay Steven Tyler. Screaming all the time but he doesn't scream every note. The reason the screaming is good is because it's juxtaposed with calm singing okay. But if he's crammed scrummed of course the past tense of screamed scrimped if you stumped every note do you see what I'm saying. I guess it would turn out as awesome as this John. You know what you've earned it. I won't talk for forty six seconds. God it's only forty six seconds. I was hoping three hours played. Start over start around talking. Jesus Christ it has to be appreciated in silence. All right go okay. Okay got ready here. We go. I'm just going to close my eyes because I don't want to interrupt agreement. Yeah Yeah you're saying that was bad. That was the best part of any song ever. He was so good all right. How about just music? Just the talent it takes to play that harmonicas. That was incredible. No the question that was technically extremely impressive. offsite grew Dr Tonight. Technically like the fact that he did that to play like that on Harmonica is bat. Bat Shit Crazy. I mean he hit like really really high fucking. I got to hear that night again. Think you can do that. I have no idea literally no idea. I have like like one of those stands while he's playing guitar with all that's happening. Yeah crazy yeah I wanna say has called them. No I'm not gonNA pretend is off the charts. It's actually no one knows but that's GonNa save minor only reached once during the hooks popper. That's on the WIKKI. Jay Miner only achieved one entire. Thankfully we recorded it. As part of I think the greatest Monica Solo ever I mean. I don't know the Harmonica Solos. I know maybe what I don't think twice. It's alright I feel like maybe some classic Dylan Song has a Solo. Is there a change. I am probably multiple songs. The thing is not the the skill the talent that was pretty incredible. It's the curate eating or I. I don't know the creative choice. I think it's very funny. I think it's I don't know if I've laughed that hard. I thought you were laughing at my reaction not to the actual music. I actually wasn't looking at you because I couldn't handle laughing any harder than I already was. Loud close is we're very close. I was off. OFF-MIKE IZAAC literally laughing so hard to that point where you're about to vomit because of the harmonica solo just the choices of notes and think like This is a good choice to put in the middle of kind of again. Don't the actual genre is going to have to say but rock jam. Yeah Harmonica Harmonica. And there's also just the nature over her Monica. Is that like at times. You kind of hear the mouth part and like Allah Kazoo. You know what I mean like you hear like a mouth in there. Yeah look like a tongue has to be slapping against would at some point during a Harmonica Solo. I'm not sure it would. I think maybe the edges are would but I feel like it's probably Metal Paul who knows in any case. There's this one in the middle where you hear like you can hear him possible guitar while doing the Harmonica. Or that's gotta be someone else right on this recording. I would highly doubt it but has he done this live. Maybe you could you have the next Dan. What are the point? That's actually called. I think mostly it's that it sounds it. Sounds like laughing I agree. That's so funny that you bring it up that way. This part sounds like a mean like a video meam like Viner I talk doc or whatever that someone like fucked up the audio sound batch insane he stays up there doesn't he. Go even higher fucked up in a way. That sounds so funny because later goes reminds me of the recorder trying to play the Jurassic Park theme song or like a Dialup Modem brings it back to nineteen ninety four. It sounds like he was like really inspired in. ooh Don't pick up the phone you'd hang on give me my home on on a major or whatever the fuck diet is a chromatic. I don't know I don't know if enough about music you don't know anything about music. No I know one percent about music I know enough to sound like I know what I'm talking about but if any musicians actually listened. They're like this bitch she's interesting. Well you didn't study this. I actually did. If you must know. Must Know I did got to college your music but I guess that makes sense. I studied ECON and I don't know anything stands to get blaster East. Sing in the con- Building I don't know what ECON stands for economics. That's what I knew I was pretending to not know for comedic. Effect is ice. I can't speak anymore about Monica Solo at move me which is great because we're coming up on the speaking as part of the song. which has Italy power skittling? Bopp Abdu up rap type situation twelve I broke into chunks. Don't worry is this bare naked. Ladies Chic it's sort of the same thing this is the I hate. Haiti always uses expression. But unfortunately it's never been more true than now. Blues Traveler walked so bare naked. Ladies could run let's cool because people love the. TV is not the is he singing the same tune as the harmonica. Is this also forty. Six seconds down I was twelve. I don't know the whole section interest. This is just the face and drowsy and doing like this the same. Oh Oh you mean he's following the melodic line at the Harmonica. Oh that's a good question. I wonder okay probably can't track it said suck suck it in suck it in suck it in Renton or and Berlin and Berlin. Henry th so something lady who was beheaded or something. Yeah we know something or other friends. England three you're supposed to know. Stop here Frago Prussia. Eighth thank you. Obviously we don't talk about the seventh. No God he's been canceled. It's almost the time. He was tutored in eighteen. Forty three I mean they also have been probably makes if you're beheading people that's much worse than anything that's happening happening today. Make a desperate move or else you'll win to see what you're doing me no and then begin to see what what you're doing to me audit this. MTV is not for Free It's so pcs you're killing me. So desperately I sing to the of love. Yes so I think it's all gibberish cool. It sounds cool and it makes no sense. Correct is awesome. I mean I think again. He's continuing his point of. It does not matter what I say. You will listen to this. It's the same thing as fucking Ladies Yeah took it a China. The Chinese chicken thought about attend and is John Popper Canadian as well wonder on popper always from Charleston. Ohio okay close to Canada. Not Quite do you WanNa hear something that makes me feel weird. Is that the rest. So that part of it but it's actually this noise break. He's fifty two now interesting. Yeah would against older really. I just feel like I can't imagine this person being fifty two. I imagine fifty two and nineteen ninety. Four I guess he was tortured. Stephen Rin Tin Tin and cold in. Just because everybody when you're eleven and there's the big twenty-seven-year-old he might as well be fifty. That makes us fifty now. Relatively tell eleven year olds were fifty pretty much in fact probably probably eleven year olds. Look at podcast and GRANDPA listens to. Yeah I have an eleven year old niece and she definitely sing. Thinks that's what his dad listens to stop. We're not Kony more fuck. I was never cool. Continue to days. Episode is sponsored by Netflix seeks but more species equally their new podcast cast. Because I watched this podcast features. The stars of some of the biggest shows on Netflix like Bobby Burke perhaps you've heard of queer eye and they read the inspiring true stories of how real life actual people like you and me and everyone we know are affected by their favorite shows and movies. 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I know strong bed being the country. That dragon impaired do with one. Big beefy arm remember flash videos from nine hundred ninety nine dollars. Yeah okay all right. I runner DOT com. I do remember home. Star runner honor dot com for details of the characters song. Sad weakside team girls squad. Ah My stomach lining that's fine. That's fine we can't all be here. You can't be the hair off my story all the time and you don't know one headlight. So I guess for even in what did he say. I'll tell you to hide or slide. I'll do is I'll decide and let it ride until I've died and only then shall I abide this tide of catchy little tunes of hip. Three Minute ditties. I WANNA bust last all year balloon. Burn all of your cities to the ground. This is starting to feel like a manifesto that we find after someone's committed a horrible atrocity. No Oh yeah but this is the opposite. He's committed something awesome a horrible awesome city. Could you they say that's really obvious that Monica because you could be right. Monica Solo wonder if there's some elements of it but maybe not exactly all the way through I mean it's it's all the same chords underneath. Yeah that's really talking back in at some point I was too distracted by the manifesto nature of it. The song is continues to be awesome and great allow flawless piece of music. So this his this is going to be a song. You're like no this is on. They'll do anything the last things he said in this. I mean what do we call it. Section it's not big enough of a word the last part of his his opus here. What I know that's too late? I found I will not mess around and less I play and then hey I will go on all day. Hear what I say. I have a prayer to pray. That's really all this was and when I'm feeling stuck and need a buck I don't rely on luck because the hook brings you back it. It doesn't make sense on purpose but the way he says it is very cool and musically. Good to me to hear when he does it that way. That's fair although I would contest the cool part but everything else I think you're not you're fine to say that's cool that's cool you know. What is cool diversity of opinion? Hey folks WHOA. You're smoking a cigarette. Rica chair joint to jazz cigarette. Maybe cool okay. Finally we've arrived at the last twenty seconds of the Song Boo the worst twenty eight seconds of my life because it's ending I guess a complete again. I hear that yes sorry. He went from literally screaming as hard as he can't Gaye singing. I would be shocked octave. He didn't get vocal notes after performing this even ten times and then he goes into just one more time. Sorry you like being tickled you it. And it's actually us that's being tickled Let's fucking with the musical. Go in start talking something emotional about that performance. Yeah I mean he's definitely giving it his all and like not. He's winded by the end of it because it's like singing harmonica yelling. I'm winded by the end of it. I feel like there's a video of him doing this live and it's definitely a sweaty ordeal. I will say assuming. His weight had anything to do with his fitness. Which is obviously not always the case? This would be much easier to do as a non in heavy person. Yeah no wonder. Let me phrase do it as a fit person because a woman's like this especially that harmonicas all requires a credible amount of stamina. Yeah but truthfully performance of any kind. I mean you've do live shows. Let's standing and talking for an hour so tired. It's weird at singing's really doing anything. You're not singing and dancing. During that so self-indulgence Jesus Christ musical Improv. Must be the hardest because you're singing and then also dancing and then also off book thinking of things book live show thinking is is what is really is the hardest songs. You're not really thinking your take on autopilot a pony but then when I'm talking for an hour straight that's harder because as I'm thinking so that's why my protests you don't think before you talk that's really cool. Thanks and you're not telling me no lie. Do you like the song better now than two princes or you say they now that you've dissect today you accurately rated or think it's actually worse than you did. Oh I mean keep in mind. You're thinking I was talking doc. Even though it's a flawless masterpiece. But what do you think about it. I think it's hull areas I actually think I think it's so funny that I love it. I binged on like a musical front a low that I could not hate it more. It's torturous on an entertainment front. It made me laugh extremely hard so in that sense minus tennis F plus. I feel like this is the kind of song that if I was like fucked up with my friends it would be very funny to put this on casually especially if they're musicians. Yeah because I think they would get how funny this is even songwriters or singers. Anyone that understand every choice he's making is like the most absolute bat shit and same thing but is he doing in uh purpose. I think so because clearly I mean I don't love the way he sang this but technically that was like a fairly impressive vocal oh cool performance and then that Harmonica Solo is incredible as well. So it's like I know you're good at this so the fact that you're doing it quote unquote poorly has to be a choice right. I I hope so for the sake of the eleven year old me that love this song I hope I was ahead of the curve and realized how funny and brilliant it was grade. He just like how he's super talented with no taste. That's the other option. and that's obviously super subjective. That's my twitter bio some stands to reason. That's what popper's emo is as well. Can we also listen to this by you. Like right out here. Blue's extremely blues traveler. That feels like I'm about to go into parts of the Caribbean. Don't don't don't don't them so you were saying with Ron's yes and I also talking about the ride not the movies. Course which does have a different soundtrack agree. Don't correct correct me. You're right. That was me doing the thing I just said my twenty twenty resolution. What would parker do would matt still? So then I'd ask you. How have your feelings changed about the SAR? Since my love for it I knew it was my favorite song. I haven't heard it maybe a couple of months and then it's like Oh eight this song on still kicks ass absolute or probably as you said at ten kicks but it's an epic absolutely unit of Song. This is a real bacon nature of to eleven eleven out of eleven flawless victory. So then I hate to even ask but if you were to punch it up. I'd make the fast. diddy song about the Lakers. So it'd be combining two passions so you'd keep everything else the same yes that'd be like shack shack in Shackleton if you're are we talking about like historical like until now Lakers or like the current Laker lineup. I love them both equally. So if you WANNA sprinkle some from the ninety four team you know Maggio Josh John. Popper's era some now because we got such things citing new. Don't forget of course. Anthony Davis you can't forget David. Ah New town go way back. Show shock attack. Yup Yup can't throw a free throw. It can't three three and he caught him. You want to be so so far a paint defensively and then we go back there. Sure Yeah No. Even further because Phil Jackson Shacks and then we go way way back. We Got Minnesota Minneapolis. Lakers that's right the fifties George Mike and Mike. Yeah I can write that thank you I know okay. So here's the question is everything's the same except the bridge is about the Lakers. That would be the goat song because it would have the hook which which is awesome. Obviously on that you can rely as he says but then the quick part which is like sort of. It's like candy. It's like empty calories salaries because he's singing about fucking history sugar. Yeah why don't we kick it up a notch guy. Fieri style Bam flavor town liver town which is also lake town in Los Angeles man. I was just thinking what you're seeing. What does that? That's I love. La Yeah and. That's about the Lakers. Then I can die happy. Okay this is GonNa be the most specific and strange punch-up I've ever done but I am looking forward to it. I guess it's just for me is just for you Amir but considering you are the CO founder of the network this podcast is on. I think you've earned it. Yes excited to make this with that said. Should we get jabs Cameroon's to this. Oh my God. In addition to that one in addition you already have one Yes I heard a song that I love almost as much as that Song Day. Yes well so. In that time in ninety four I really loved to songs Hook and Sophie B Hawkins as I lay me down. Do you know that song as I lay me down to sleep. Yes I pray anyway. That's not the song my song I can't get by on my own. Never into how can I it. Can I get you alone but yeah love that song it starts really good and it only gets better pay now I I need to pull up a DM from her. I love that song alone so good right through it an instagram story and hand. Wouldn't you know I guess. Somehow she saw that. Who is she exactly? Nancy Wilson simply took it from heart is God. She messages me. Oh my God how did you find. I have no idea. I have to believe that they must get notification when someone places your Song Instagram Story. That's incredible she might okay. Hey My dad I guess was in a band with her sister. Anne in nineteen seventy. Your Dad was in a ban with an nineteen nineteen in one thousand nine so I and making hand one more complications with a mix. This is so random the drums. I guess he doesn't drum with heart heart anymore but he drummed with heart for a long time. This guy named Ben Van Smith Ben Smith Okay. He rarely randomly played drums on my first EP. EP when I was nineteen. Wow so you're connected to Nancy. Well no so nancy new neither of those things and messaged me perfect usage of our song going alone in that post earlier. I love your hiking video and others as well. You're hilarious keeping one from other video to follow you. That's a great question Yep and when I just went to page at keeping the option to follow her back so I'm going to go ahead and do that. Sorry your problem. Oh ooh she's getting on social media works no she was famous people. DMZ You follow ups. Get slow play this. I didn't realize you follow me. Okay that's really funny though. Isn't it that that's the song that got her to. Dm Me and started this whole trial of attitude. What did you use it during probably some dumb video my dog and arouse hall or something saw? Aw I ever posted on instagram stories. Yeah how do I get you alone. Indeed Great Song great choice thing. It may already be on the playlist. But I don't mind putting on their toys because that's a long Slaps and whips a song so nice. You should listen to it twice there you go. What's your song? You're not gonNA know it. That's why I wanted to do it because I don't think anyone knows it and they should It's by my friend Hailey Blais. She's a very small indie artist. The song's called small foreign faction. Hard aside conflict can change their sanity it. It's recorded in like a Lo fi way. That sounds very cool early. Two thousands like broken social scene era type of vocal processing assessing. And then it Kinda comes off halfway through the song you know like the killer style. I love that about it but the real reason I chose it is because this one line the kind of Hook of the song. Hey I never wanted anything and I never got it. Oh I never wanted anything and I never got it so you wanted nothing and you got it. Yes Very Yogi Berra esque. I just think it's so clever and poignant and I feel like maybe that is what Hook is supposed to be into quite hit. The mark worked for me. So it's like Kinda my fucking throat under the bus. Don't even right joke. You can't have everything. Where would you put it very similar to? That is very funny. I didn't now that I'm writing it down and pretend it's my own. Can I tweet that giving him. No credit quote me because I said it to you. Thank you Amir Blumenfeld affeldt twenty nine. I'm your thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. There was actually a true joy a lot at Basang song which is sort of insulting. But I'm glad that I brought you the joy of Song to listen to and laugh at. No I don't even. I think it's supposed to be laughed at. I hope God I hope improper. I'm so sorry I was very popular the man and I really I love your energy and your about something that I was being real took about so thank you. Yeah where do you want to pull to follow or listen to just keep listening to this show and other shows on the heads. Never what a consummate professional hell. Yeah you want to follow the show at punch the Jam Damn on everything. Great pictures on Instagram. A really good instagram story. Not Really I don't use the script stories on that account. No but I do my personal account. Okay y'all monster meal all these years to Laker. Wow Crossover epic. I'll see you next. Take time to now. Premier puck accepts APPS now from the bridge forward. It's only about the Lakers. Somehow I did make my brother. Text me all of this information. The rookie season moves with Kuzin. We will win and now we got eighty. The Brow is on the team when it comes to camping. MVP MVP obviously it's GonNa be on agent gaming traced titles on the show. There's no one besides himself makes decried how I feel inside because Lebron is my rider. I enjoy my guy back for the second time. He's online with goodbyes over highschool coli. He's a catchy little to Georgian humor shitty still balloons. I WANNA burn downtown out screw so hey looks like my uncle ray say across the NBA delivers rings agrees agreement. Still on the to and next thing that uh-huh okay. That was down six podcast.

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Be It Resolved: Men Are Obsolete

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Be It Resolved: Men Are Obsolete

"I think it's time to this toxic binary zero sum Matt Stone. We're not an imperial power power. We are no longer in a world where you can plot out moves statesman to statesman like a chessboard. You don't know anything about my background and where it came from, it doesn't matter to you because fundamentally on the mean white man, we can't do this to the next generation because a miracle will cease to exist. Welcome to the munk debates podcast. Every episode we provide you with civil and substantial debate on the big issues of the day. For you've been focused on the facts and animated by smart. Conversation. Arm You the listener with enough information to make up your own mind. Today's debate be resolved. Men are obsolete. Hello I'm your moderator. Roger Griffiths well since the beginning of human civilization men have been the dominant sex. But now for the first time, a host of indicators suggest that women are not only achieving equality with men but are fast emerging as the more successful sex of our species. Women now make up the majority of university degree holders, and while women's participation in the workforce is on the rise. The opposite is true for men joining me from a new study claims one reason behind the steady decline in United States marriages is a shortage of quote Ed. Attractive. Men, Cornell. University. Measure women chief executives had made more than their male counterparts over the last five years that's according to a new critics of the argument that men are in decline argued that the age old power structures associated with maleness remain as entrenched as ever they say that men's still retain significant control over the workplace, the family and society at large on Thursday the last woman with a viable shot at the nomination, left the race leading to the reality for many women that no matter which party wins for four more years, the house will once again be occupied by a white man. ON PREVIOUS MAIN STAGE MONK DEBATE Roy. Thompson. Hall in Toronto Ford Leading Female Public intellectuals examine the question of where the sexes are headed in the twenty? First Century. Here for your listening pleasure is an abridged podcast version of this memorable monk debate. Welcome. The monkey debates. My name is Roger Griffiths and it's my privilege to act as both the organizer of this debate series into once again serve as your moderator. And Tonight's ladies and gentlemen we want to expand the focus of this debate for the first time beyond geopolitics. Beyond International Economics to consider one of the big sociological questions of our time. That being the decline of the performance of men relative to women in the family in the workplace in schools and universities, and in once all-male bastion such as politics and business. Is this abroad and permanent trend in post industrial societies such as Canada, one that will fundamentally reshape family life gender relations our workplace. And Society at large or and it's a big or. Are the millennial old power structures economic political cultural created by men four men still firmly embedded in our society suggesting that. Men. And maleness is anything but a spent civilizational force speaking I for the motion be resolved. Men are obsolete is senior editor at the Atlantic magazine the author of the definitive international bestseller. Tonight's topic the end of men leasing. Gentlemen please. Welcome Hannah Rosen. Joining this Rosen on the pro side of the debate is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist the author of her own big book on this subject are men necessary and as we know her so well celebrated New York Times Columnists please welcome her first time to Toronto Maureen Dowd. Now let's get our second team of presenters out here centerstage. She's rightly lauded as one of the world's top public intellectuals. She's the author of a string of iconic books on gender and culture. She writes regularly everywhere from the New York Times. To the Hollywood reporter, we know her well ladies and Gentlemen Camille. Paglia Poly is debating partner is a cultural phenomenon in her own right. She is a cultural critic TV critic at the Times of London the author of a big global bestseller and new feminist anthem how to be a woman to rex from London. England. It's now time for debate to formally get underway our speakers as I mentioned have six minutes. Each as is customary the pro side we'll speak first and Arosa Europe. Surprising number of men out there. That's really not good for us but we'll try. Our men literally obsolete of course, not if we had to prove that, we can never win this debate for one thing we haven't figured out how to harvest their sperm without. Keeping them alive. It's the end of men because men are failing in the workplace over the last few decades men's incomes have been slowly declining while women's income slowly rise. Last year only one in five men were not working something that economists call the greatest social crisis we might face partly this is because the global economy has been changing rapidly and men are failing to adjust. Meanwhile, women are moving in the opposite direction in two thousand nine became the majority of the American workforce for the first time in history, and now in every part of. America. Young single women have a higher median income than single men, which is incredibly important because that's the age women and men are sizing each other up and deciding what their futures are. GonNa look like as one sorority girl I talked to about her boyfriend, put it to me and remember sorority girl not the president of the Women's Studies Center men are the new ball and chain. It's the end of men because men are failing in schools and women are succeeding in nearly every country on all but one continent women are getting about sixty percent of college degrees, which is what you need to these days and boys start to fall behind US earliest first grade and many of them just can't catch up. It's the end of man because the traditional household which was propped up by the male breadwinner is quickly vanishing women and men learn their social roles at home manhunter woman gather man breadwinner woman homemaker but that whole hierarchy is completely broken down. Now we have a new global type called the Alpha Life, a woman who earns more money than her husband in the seventy S. this was a totally rare-breed could rarely find her, and now she makes up about forty percent of American couples. Women are occupying positions of power that were once totally closed off to them. The end of man, even more prominent in the working class when I speak to working class communities, the women in the audience look at me like what I'm saying is totally completely obvious the working classes where the men are losing their jobs and losing their roles in their families. And women are doing almost everything creating virtual matriarchies in the parts of the country that used to be our bathrooms of Macho traditional values, and when I asked these women, why don't you live with the father of your children? They say to me frogging because he would be just another mouth to feed I. Heard that many times many times when I was reporting. It's the end of men because men have lost their monopoly on violence and aggression. Women are becoming more sexually confident something might appreciate more aggressive and both good ways and bad going to war going to jail playing sports, and in the case of the real housewives of New Jersey, beating up anyone who knocks the drink out of their hand. We don't want to castrate man we don't turn them into. UNIX we don't even want feminist them that much. We just WANNA keep whatever we love about manhood and adjust the parts that are holding back. Good evening if men are obsolete than women will soon be extinct unless we rush down that ominous brave new world. where females will clone themselves by Parthenogenesis as famously do Komodo dragons, hammerhead sharks and pit vipers. A peevish grudging rank against men has been one of the most unpalatable unjust features of second and third wave feminism men's false failings and foibles of an seized on and magnified into gruesome bills of indictment ideologue professors at our leading universities indoctrinate impressionable undergraduates with carelessly fact free theories alleging that gender is an arbitrary oppressive fiction with no base in biology. It was always the proper mission of feminism to attack and reconstruct the ossified social practices that had led to wide ranging discrimination against women but surely it was and is possible for a progressive reform movement to achieve that without stereotyping belittling or demonizing men history must be seen clearly fairly obstructive. Traditions arose not from men's hatred or enslavement of women, but from the natural, division of Labor that had developed over thousands of years during the agrarian period and that once immensely benefited and protected women permitting them to remain it's a hard to care for helpless infants and children over the past century. It was labour-saving appliances invented by men and spread bike capitalism that liberated women from daily drudgery. What is troubling to many books and articles by feminists journalists in the US this their putative leftism is an implicit privileging of bourgeois values and culture. The particular focus clerical in manager skills of the upper middle class elite are presented is the highest is. The ultimate evolutionary point of humanity. But Rosen's triumphalism about women's gains seem startlingly premature when she says of the sagging fortunes of today's working class couples that they and we had quote reached the end of one hundred, thousand years of human history and the beginning of a new era and there was no going back close quote. This sweeping appeal to history somehow overlooks histories far darker lessons about the cyclic rise and fall of civilizations which as they become more complex and. Interconnected. Also become more vulnerable to collapse. The Earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal after the next inevitable apocalypse men will be desperately needed again. Oh, sure. That will be the odd gun toting Amazonian survivalist, Gal who can Russell game out of the Bush and feed her flock but most women and children weeks nothing men to scrounge for food and water and defend their home turf indeed men absolutely indispensable right now invisible as instruments feminists. Who Seem blind to the infrastructure that makes their own work lives possible. It is overwhelmingly men who do the dirty dangerous work of building roads, pouring concrete, laying bricks, tarring roofs, hanging electric wires, excavating natural gas, and sewage live, cutting, and clearing trees, and bulldozing the landscape or housing developments. It is men who have and weld the giants steel beams that frame office buildings. It is men who do the hair raising work of in setting in ceiling the finally temperate blake. Less windows of skyscraper is thirty stories tall every day along the Delaware River in Philadelphia one can watch the passage of vast oil tankers and towering cargo ships arriving from all over the world. These stately philosophy are loaded, steered and offloaded by men. The modern economy with his vast production and distribution network is a male epic in which women have found productive role but women were not an author. Surely modern women are strong enough now to give credit where credit is due. Green out you're up for your opening statement please. I've never debated before and I am so scared. Even. Though I grew up in the shadow of the Washington monument the jutting Freudian symbol of a capital under male dominion for centuries. I always knew that men were doomed. That's because I was raised on a steady diet of them. Pay Towels I love film noir film noir has one. Boat rolled deadly is the female. Guys who could be framed easier than Whistler's mother tangle with women who are trouble. And the guys always end up looking like they took a Hayride with Dracula. Film. Noir is about lady killers and women who are ladies and the women who aren't ladies wind up killing the lady killers. The men seem under dark spell as they know, their futures are all you stop and that Fem Taus have the right to pursue happiness in all directions. A classic film nor exchanges man you're never around when I need you woman you never need me when I'm around. These mesmerizing black widows make love to their prey and then consume them, which is actually a fairly common practice in nature. Since we're coming up on Valentine's Day on mentioned that there are more than eighty species that feature Leach Babes that devoured their male lovers before during and after mating. Praying Mantis is green spoon worms. There's tiny female Mitch you plunges probiscus into the mail midges head during procreation. Her spit turning his insights to soup. which she then enjoys an apres sex snack. Beats A. Cigarette. The male or weaving spider kills himself before the female has a chance to kill him. Turning himself into a plug to prevent other males from copulating ensuring his genes are more likely to live on. Even more ingenious gene wise or the whip tailed lizards and the Rio Grande. Valley, in Texas who procreate on a purely female basis, no males require. would. detangle gender web. As the great, IDA Lupino said in. Roadhouse. Doesn't it ever intern? Man's had that women can do without him? Women. Up finally clicked their Ruby stilettos three times and realized they have the power. Norman mailer used to be terrified that women were going to take over the world and punishment for being bad to them over the centuries. All women need it. He said were about one hundred seamen slaves that they could milk every day to keep the race going and have the earth all to themselves. Dream on Norman. All women need is a few cells in the freezer next to the Cherry flavored vodka and we're all set. Men are so last century. They seemed to have stopped evolving soaking like Achilles his tent. Evolutionary Biologists were predicting that in the next one, hundred, thousand to ten million years men could disappear taking video games game of thrones on a continuous loop and cold pizza in the morning with them. The Y. Chromosome is renowned evolutionary biologist David Page, told me fell asleep at the wheel two, hundred million years ago and headed trick the cliff but page and others have now learned that suddenly about twenty million years ago the why woke up and veered away from the cliff appearing itself with duplicates of its own genes page deduce that the wise set to itself I don't have a lot left but what I have left, I'm going to keep. While the wi-with shrinking, the X. formerly considered a state pristine relic was growing larger and stronger acquiring new bunches of genes, some of which play roles and producing sperm. So all those centuries when you guys were asleep at the wheel, we were tinkering under the hood. When I wrote my book arm unnecessary. My Mom told me to change the title to men are necessary period. You'll hurt their feelings she said. So I want to end with a truism, the comedian Sarah, Silverman tweeted recently der men just because we don't need you anymore doesn't mean we don't want you love forever women. All men obsolete if minerals the than personally respond to this level of obsolescence holding ninety nine percent of the world's wealth totaling sixty six of Forbes's seventy. One most powerful people in the world list being every single Pope American. President. And Secretary General of the UN I'm in charge of every military force on earth. If this is men becoming obsolete I'm intrigued to see what they will be able to achieve. Once they've downloaded some manner of software update. Men are doing quite well, all things considered. Of course I understand the general argument here we basically got shifting global labor markets that increasingly favors someone who can spend ten hours a day wearing a headset eating reese's pieces and making emotion intelligent Chitty chat. We favor them over someone you can break a pig in half with their bare hands. Whilst men might not currently be lessened, the future does look one hundred percent female. except. If true that would suck as much as when the pastors one hundred percent male. I don't have many rules in life of than do not eat fetish cheese that tastes fizzy. But my big one is be polite. All harm and wrong in the world occurs when people forget to be polite ladies remember how annoyed we wear where men said that women were obsolete how those millennials of men treating women like second class citizens seemed impolite and we took a lot valium and essentially self harmed by getting massive perms. Let's not now do the same thing back to men. Not these because the statistics that suggest that men are becoming obsolete aren't the kind of men that I wish would become obsolete asked hats in private jets furthering the various sundry causes of evil, but essentially working class men. Given the my feminism is a strident be fueled by cocktails and see. Marxist I'm kind of not really out for women with soaring prospects dumping on working class men who are essentially just standing around and going wherever the jobs lopate pig having gone and wise my wife Making A. Huge dry the I'm confused and unhappy. Look my feminism is neither pro-women nor anti men but thumbs up for the seven billion thumbs up for everyone on this little blue green planet trying to get through the day in a world of infinite trouble. The idea of equality isn't some fabulous luxury that we can gift ourselves. When we're feeling morally flush equality's not humanities cashmere bed socks it's not a present like champagne absolute human equality is a necessity like water because if we look at a map of the world where every nation struggling with poverty child mortality and political instability is. Martin red. It's notable that it's bright. Red Shaming rash coincides almost identically with the most unequal countries in the world in the twenty first century humanity's greatest resource isn't oil auditorium gold. It's brains anytime. We make choices a society to line section of society. We waste these billions of tons of brains, a million ways for the world to be better, and this is equally true when men said for one hundred, thousand years women will never happen as it would be now for women to say for the next hundred, thousand years, men are obsolete. If we're feminism is the simple truthful observation that women should be equal to men than the future is that we must do everything to achieve that whether in some cases, it's men helping women achieve equality or in other cases, women helping men achieve equality we need with urgency to stop terminal things in terms of problems of men and problems of women and start seeing old problems for what they are the problems of humanity. Women cannot win if men are losing and vice versa because we all live quite near to each other. We keep having sex with each other and giving birth to each other and being related to each other when half falls the other half staggers if working class menace struggling, the first people will impact on a working class women. It's easy to forget this but we are the same species. Women are not from Venus and men are not from Mars I know because I shared a bunk bed with my brother and unfortunately for him at the time I discovered masturbation he was not thirty four point eight, million miles away. Anyway. If you become obsolete. I. Meant you become obsolete then as anyone who studies popular culture will tell you it won't be for long they'll be phased out for ten years and disappear, and then some hipster will find one in a thrift store and go oh my God. We have men. Won't it can amusing if I had one of these back in my house. And suddenly men will be fashionable event. Then you'll have to pay nine hundred pounds for them on Ebay and people will start making them on its two bits of wire beans. Do we want that. No. Women gain anything for men becoming obsolete if we are the only ones trial thing in work and education economy politics and business. But yet, we still retain our old kingdoms of homemaking and child raising. Do we win nine because if that happens then we will be doing everything. And I don't know about you. But I'm quite accurate. The question is are men obsolete a my conclusion to this question is no. Because we. Get. Fat. I've seen you diligently taking notes through these opening statements because you spoke I wanna give you the first chance to rebut something that you've heard on the other side. What jumps out is you at saying look? You've got it wrong Idea that like somehow this is being mean to men it's like if you were up to me, we would just put all the damn factories back all the places where the men have lost their jobs like talking about what the truth is not the same as being mean like there's this thing about men where you're never supposed to say that they need any help. Or you're never supposed to say that they're suffering in any way because that is mean or that's degrading them. It's just the truth like we just have to face the truth that like there's a certain kind of men or sort of disappearing from the face of the earth you gotta try and help them when you can't help them unless you tell the truth. So He Is Very, even handed there, there is none of the rank or they spoke up I think in your book, but this does seem to be there. There's an unfairness in so far as the only man who gained voice in your book are those who are willing to confess their victim status. Felt that there was a kind of at absence of the very strong voices of men that I hear as I listened to sports radio which I do around the clock you listen to sports radio yes. That is the only place where working class men can be heard in our culture at you men are calling from. Trucks from highways from construction spots. Men who have not graduated from high school but can analyze an incredible detail. Exactly. What was wrong with the defensive line with the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday Okay Do. You hang out at construction sites. Chuck. Since my since my first book, Sexual Personae, I have sung the praises of construction as Sublime Mail poetry and I think that the indifference of the upper middle class feminists. Okay. To the actual Labor that is going on all around us by these men who are very galant in their silent service I think is a distortion. Let's. Come into. This is your self-described Marxist. So yeah, surely you have a classical Marxist analysis here. But I just want to say that although the nobility concern is amazing get ripped off my double glazing putting last times. Do you recommend dacians not all men are trustworthy builders I just WANNA points out. The Irony of the fact that it's taken for women to discuss the end of men like why are men discussing this? I'm looking at what they do. Well. Because they just pretend it's not happening they sort of crawl off and pretend it's not happening, which drives me nuts. It's just funny multitasking anyway we doing everything and also. Kind of ending come on. Come on, come on, get a plan together. What will take come on? We're going to help you. mcallen address what is happening in the UK as much as North America, there is now you line it up education work participation family life. There is a type of man out there who was who was falling behind and it's fallen behind in a pretty profound way what's driving that in society it? Capitalism obviously I mean. That's The thing I think's very important is. Liking. Feminism is gone along they very important. So that speech that we stop talking back problems of men and women and talk about problems if humanity, this isn't a question of kind of women overtaking men a question of the economy changing the global economy is changing and I think it's a massive diversionary tactic that we kind of. Rephrase it as men against women where it's you know it's the underclass in the peasants that need to revolt against the oppressive. Impressive. I'll say I'm fairly neutral on whether the end of menace good or bad. I don't think the end of man is like totally awesome and women win and like Yay some parts of the stuff I described in my book like terrorist. DADS around or or that women have to do absolutely everything I'm just saying it's happening I'm not saying it's awesome. I'm just saying it is you know I don't accept this dark view of men fading on the World Economic Landscape I, just accept it and. Part of my opening statement I didn't have time to read is that I've been calling for twenty years for revalorisation of the trades in modern education I feel that there is a very banal. Compulsory College track these days in primary schools would funneling a smart students along to a university curriculum. That's extremely. What is needed is much more of. Something like this, going on in Germany which is cooperation between primary schools and industry and and really occasional technical training going I think that the upper middle class has to get over it social snobbery about manual labor because I've been teaching art. Folk looks at the other side. Say I couldn't agree more I mean that's why I talk about this. It collides perfectly with the huge problem of income inequality, which is like the biggest sin that's going on right now all over the world. So so you keep saying, look these guys are hurting these guys are hurting these guys are hurting, and then maybe someday someone will do something about it. I always talk about Germany because has like great respect for the dudes who can make the perfect excellent refrigerator whatever like I wish we had such great respect for those Jews Chameleon of. Just, I've been teaching for forty years in art schools. We're we're people work with their hands and out of an Italian American culture where to work with your hands to make beautiful things into the not just art objects but things with fabric. And metal and basket weaving and so on leather. Do we need to raise up the. The cultural status of manual labor and. To me one bill central points about the low esteem with which working class men are held is partly due to this shift to a very snobbish a white upper middle class elites sensibility in. Feminist putting the south of this is not feminist realities. Manufacturing era is over feminist. Didn't like create some figure in about the working class man the working class man is rude right now no. Just stick it for the idea of of middle class. Activity feminist of which I'm not one I never went to school but. Can we not have both the idea that we could revive? Thing is with men and women. Have created something we can keep and preserve thank keep going and then women can go off and create new in the to confront by is not like one system has to win out over the marine let's come in on the on this point I'm just Manliness today that iconic image of the construction worker it's not really as much of the male identity. Now, as it was a generation ago now, I think we just need to. Reassure men and You know that they can lie back and relax and relinquish some of the burden of responsibility that you've carried. So sturdily from LINNEA. Try on a frilly apron over your wife beater shirt. See how fetching looks while you fat which. Rather than being a boring necessity, you are now a luxury like ice cream. Now Camille. This is this is what you rally against. This kind of ornamental is ation of men. You think men are quite different in terms of the trajectory of civilization. Yes. Yes. In fact, one of the things that kind of rankled me enhance book one point where she says that's manhood has receded that pickup trucks are now mere accessories. Okay. In other words. That really bothered me because it's simply not true of the contractors who arrive at my suburban house. The law on the roof. PICK UP TRUCKS ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE By Road Win. I'm talking about Brooklyn where you walk into a shop in Brooklyn and no doubt Toronto and in that shop, it's like this sort of ornamental is masculinity. So the dudes from they have a beard. They by flask and a playboy like that's all the shops how they sell lumberjack shirt flasks and playboy that you know there is mental like in other places I. Just as a student of history I just have a sense of foreboding about. Processes that are at work in the world I think she thinks incredibly pardon me. It was all due respect naive. To think that we are moving towards some sort of. An Economic Paradise Women are going to gain control I think that the women's advances One of many things in the West that. Jihadists consider decades I think one of the targets of of jihadism and that. I studied entire life, the the fate of Rome and how Rome thought he would last forever but there will be determined bands of vandals very fast moving who were able to bring that culture down I. I'm concerned by anything which undermines the the identity or prestige of men because. I do believe they're going to be political consequences A. To a culture where women are women who are who ten? In general. The non-militaristic direction you think that we're heading toward a nanny state mentality where we're just going to cater to to to to social needs and this need. There's no necessity for us to remain vigilant about the future. So I. Concern. So what so what would you have us do dislike plug the men's ears and pretend it's not happening. Just be like it's okay. It's okay. Now you're okay I, I want to build a men's sensitive masculine identity again I, I want to Liberate Education I. think that I think that. Our Primary School system is construct like a prison and that it teaches absolutely nothing accepts socially approved in trendy thoughts. That's almost totally favors girls and so bill you are actually honest about the boy is until you actually allow people to hear the word that boys are like seriously suffering anxiety. In America people been talking about the boy prices since nineteen ninety and we pretend still it's not happening because we can't accept this idea that boys might need help that boys are suffering. So we're just like, okay everything's okay. Yes and it's not okay as you point out with Christina. Hoff. SOMMERS raised these issues. In many people said, this is not true and now it's become ups. Okay that yes boys are in crisis in the in the as far as I'm concerned the way to do it is to really look at our educational system I think that. It's toxic. It's toxic for creativity. Produces, clones okay. It produces a people who've been deprived of energy and thought that we have extremely. Mediocre Educational System Right now that we're dealing down mail initiative and is compounding this problem in and I I totally acknowledged and overall point about the this long transition between the manufacturing base and the the White Collar Your hands. So what I'm trying to understand is, do you think this is a moment of phase it will pass. Qualities of maleness and male identified will reassert themselves. So therefore, things will be better in the future I. Guess No I. Know I say male not going to reassert itself until we until we revolutionize. Educational System and other thing I've been calling for is is for us to be looking at. The way young women are put onto a male track in terms of their own college and graduate and Postgraduate Education. There's no room in their. We go room for an ambitious smart and talented young woman to decide that she would like to have children early. So I've been I've been calling for for colleges and universities who profess to to endorse women's rights to be much more flexible. Point and hardship. Marine come in that because. Luckily, we're not the United States where what do you get three four weeks maternity leave I mean there are a lot of structural barriers in American Society in Western society that prevent women from being a successful as they would like to be. So it doesn't that suggest that men aren't obsolete. Yes. While obviously, we should be more like Franson in that respect in terms of healthcare for women but. I went in I just wanted to tell a funny story because I spent a lot of time in Saudi Arabia. And So the last time I was there I was doing feature for Vanity Fair and traveling around and. So I had brand at the grave of the of Eve the original eve was in Saudi Arabia. So I asked my guide to take me there and he just looked at me like I was crazy and he goes you can't go there. You're a woman. For a second night, tried to reason with him and explain why a woman should be allowed to see scrape. But. Saudi Arabia at least is still more modern than the Catholic. Church. There's a lot of work to be done there. Sh. had. I can tell you when I come in on this point which reach the structural barriers that suggest that I mean you've written about this these structural barriers maternity leave how the workplace is set up so that you know work hours the very structure of modern professional life often these antithetical to a lot of the things that women want to do and how they wanna live. Yeah. So we're actually the worst. We don't actually have any maternity leave that's paid at all and we're maybe one of three countries that doesn't. So it's actually very pathetic and so the American workplace actually doesn't recognize the person as a whole human being who might have other means but it. But if I had my druthers I actually wouldn't like do the Swedish system where you have A. Year of maternity because that puts also to pressure on women to behave in a certain way and they actually have a more gender unequal workplace than we do I. Think what you have to do is actually Sweden two point. Oh, which is considered kind of gender neutral proposition like you have men and women can take time off which is i. think what Canada just did or you? Do at France doesn't like focus on child care rather than just maternity leave. So you create a thing where it's not like women. So the employers not only looking at the women and saying, Oh, they're the ones who are going to scream and take a year off. It's like everybody's job to take care of the children, not just the women's job even though women like do it more. You're listening to the munk debates podcast. If you like this podcast, check out our other episodes, including debates on everything from the US election to be effectiveness of Covid lockdowns to whether it's time to de-fund the police. All free to download or stream on our website munk. DEBATES DOT COM. We are going to go into closing statements that was a great discussion, and as we agreed beforehand, we're going have the closing statements in the opposite order Chattan more is going I you're up three minutes AK two things. One Life on earth is an experiment we are blue-green. Petrie. Dish and to if you add pull the oppressed minorities of the world so that's all the women, all the lgbt people, all the disabled and all the people of Color Facts about. Eighty to ninety percent of the world straight white men the patriarchy have shaped and ruled our world for one hundred thousand years on what is basically a skeleton staff. You know they are a tiny tiny proportion of the world. They are basically the night shift, the holiday cover, and in that time they raise the Pyramids and put stonehenge in the middle of soulsby planes invented the Gods and the rickenbacker guitar and New York and twitter, and free two, zero and LYCRA. Yada Yada Yada oppression. Yes. But you can't. Shit dumb. So Back to life on earth being experiment, and the most fascinating experiment that we have the potential to run right now is a seeing what women turn out to be when they're not afraid and they are empowered and not impoverished, and if achieved equality and then be what is the consequence men will turn out to be when they have women as their equals and finally debate these things together what will meant an into? How will the triumphing feminism? Make us all evolve? I'm so excited to see. One little boys won't be like when they grow up in a world filled with female presidents and female sports, stars and abandoned, they call the new Beatles, all female and he's friends scream at that banned in the way that girls used to scream at the Beatles and then how intern girls will change when they see boys reacting Mike Batt the kaleidoscopic dizzying wonder of everything that can happen makes me so excited we're so early on in the experiment of what it is to be human on earth and we have so much to look forward to if we hold on of. We are on the brink of being able to turn into a whole new species. When we merge physically in the old fashioned way, we make that most astonishing precious and or inspiring thing at baby a new human, a small infinite future. Imagine what we will make when we emerge on every level by merging our intellectual and emotional chemistry into the first ever society that is equally male and female. We collaborate on humanity 2.0. How will this change fundamental ideas of gender and sexuality? What is normal and natural? What is actually female and male? Basically I'm imagining a world full of Moonwalking Pan Sexual David Bowie's genetic money's here and. I've genuinely never heard of any better plans for the future than that. So if you vote against this motion, that is scientifically what we guaranteed to get guaranteed literally back if you don't although bearing I do get on a plane at six am tomorrow myself goes straight to answer. Thank you. Well done cabin up next Maureen? Dowd your final three minutes statement Blues Okay I'm going to talk really fast. I didn't want to mention this the first time around given that you're my host but in order to prove definitively that men are not necessarily, I only need to words Ted Cruz. I come here seeking refuge from the apocalyptic terror of Ted Cruz Thunderdome. How. On Earth did the Canadian almost destroy America. Canadians are usually so nice. For centuries, it was widely thought that women were biologically unsuited to hold leadership positions. It was felt that power was best wielded by men because men were impersonal unemotional forthright and reasonable. Now, it is highly unstable male male temperament that is causing alarm male politicians are engaging in sneaky caddy. We'd be ditsy shrew ish behavior that is anything but reasonable and impersonal. We can't even count on men to be effective tech geeks given the situation with Obama's rollout on healthcare. Women are affected by lunar tights only once a month men have raging hormones every day. As we notice when Dick Cheney rampaged around the globe like Godzilla. Rob Ford you're hot mess of and Mayor has had many wild outbursts that if he were a woman would certainly be liable to steria from the Greek for womb. But who but a historic excuses himself for smoking crack by saying he was in a drunken stupor. and. Then talks to reporters about his adventures with lady parts. I do want one of those bobbleheads though. Ted Cruz, it's a scary mean girl through a hissy fit over obamacare shut down the government for sixteen days in cost. The American economy twenty, four, billion rand Paul. The Libertarian Senator from Kentucky Grew Sulky and needed a fainting couch would win Rachel maddow blasted out that he was a KLEPTOMANIAC with wikipedia. The most emotional member of Congress is speaker John Bainer who starts blubbering into his merlot at the slightest sentimental provocation. Unlike his Macho Democratic counterpart Nancy Pelosi. He's not adept at math and counting he keeps acting ditsy bringing tea party bills to the floor of the House that do not have the votes to pass. If. You. WanNa, talk about catty behavior considered this can Jannati refuse to call Terry McAuliffe after the Regina Governor's race to congratulate him. Men. Plates. Ruffin heedlessly with the globe. They almost broke it. So we're going in a different direction hack. They wouldn't even ask for directions. And no Sarah Palin that still does not mean you. So, you had eight minutes, eight seconds left. Let's give Hannah will pass it over to you and I will give you a little bit of grace speak last up next those Palley Camille your three minutes please. The nineteen fifties when it was unheard of for women to be ambitious for a career and. With the arrival of the women's movement in the late nineteen sixties now. Young women feel that every career path is is open to them. What I'm concerned about is that feminism has painted into a corner and is now a completely invisible really I mean there are there are sites on the web where that attracts. Committed feminists but they're completely invisible. Feminism has absolutely no. Important profile right now in in the US. I feel that feminism has drifted from any sense of what most people are looking for. In in for value in life. The career is extremely important, but ultimately, other things become more important as you age I. Often Walk on the New Jersey shore in a very working class. Area the wildwoods and I'm very moved by seeing these working class families, multi generations. Vacationing together. Something, that the upper middle class ceases to do s, it becomes more affluent people take their own separate vacations and I see their. The joy that elderly people take in and what they have rocked. Multiple generations vacationing together and these people can barely get to the shore. To, the edge of the water are sitting in these deckchairs and watching as their. Grandchildren and great grandchildren are running around. No. Matter. What you've done in life no matter what your status no matter how much power you've achieved how much wealth point comes where it's all meaningless there's nothing left. But a sense of what you've intruded to life itself I'm very concerned that the western obsession with career success and with status and wealth is actually a perverting and distorting our sense of the of the spiritual dimension. Of the meaning of life itself I think that feminism needs a major correction back. First of all re. Lifting the. Value of children all this talk about child care and maternity leave and so on. But in point of fact, the feminist movement second way feminism has acted in a way that has tended to denigrate this the stay at home mom and in fact, in its obsession with abortion okay. has made it seem as if as if it's anti-life. Thank. You Camille. That's applause. Does creep up on US faster than we might think. Hannah Rosen. You get the very last word tonight. I'll take it. So I think fit. There's some confusion there about what you're voting for if you vote for us. So when we say men are obsolete that doesn't mean they're worthless or we wanNA stomp on them or we hate them. It means something different and I'm trying to think about it I think about it as being outmoded. So so let's say the twin combustion engine technically makes the bicycle obsolete but that doesn't mean that we hate the bicycle we wanna throw the bicycle away. It just means that you want to use the bicycle. Want to while recognizing that there's some need for efficiency and change and I think the same is true for men. So you are allowed to preserve the parts of manhood that you love and value whether that's craftsmanship or you know macho nervous or eating nachos and playing video whatever it is about their manhood that you love you should preserve at the same time recognizing that there need to be some adjustment if men and particularly men are going to survive in the modern world secondly, I think he's think that by voting for. US You are voting for some kind of crazy triumphalist feminism and women want and we stop on your car heart jackets, steal your pickup trucks and we're really happy about it but that's not true. It's like I said, it's neither good or bad just voting acknowledging reality. So when Camille said that we don't recognize these things as valuable anymore, we don't have vocational programs to respect men I totally agree with that but that means that you should vote for our side because then you're just recognizing the reality of what's going on. Thirdly I think that you think that if you're voting for us your somehow blinded to the fact that men are the majority of CEOS or pope's or whatever like popes who cares about folks but anyway Yes they are. That's absolutely true. But that's just a moment in time. If you look at the trends, it's completely obvious that that world is knocking last. And finally I would say you should just be brave enough to tell the truth about this. Especially, you men out there don't pretend it's not happening. I mean I have a husband who totally still speaks to me even after a year of me talking about the end of Man I have one son who's still speaks to me and another son doesn't but that's beside the federal. But I would just say like hiding our heads in the sand pretending that there's no boy crisis and there's no crisis in working class man that there isn't a crisis in masculinity is not the way to go I would urge you all to acknowledge the truth and vote. Well. That wraps up our podcast of a memorable monk debate held at Roy Thomson. Hall in Toronto Canada Back in a time when it's still was possible to argue persuasively in person. Prior to the debate, we pulled the audience on their views on the resolution. Be It resolved men are obsolete? The results were sixteen percent only in favor of the motion fully. Four percent opposed when we pulled the audience at the end of the debate, opinions had changed dramatically forty four percent agreed that men are obsolete and only fifty six were opposed the pro side game twenty, eight percent, and so they were declared the evenings victor's. participated. In this main stage monk debate Cana Rosen Maureen Dowd Commute Paglia Catlin more. They show that even on a contentious issue is possible to share opposing views in a civil and substantial way. Thank you for helping us bring back the art of Public Debate one conversation at a time I'm your moderator bread. You Griffiths. The Munk debates are produced by antica productions and supported by the Monk Foundation. RUDYARD griffiths Maryland Missouri ric and Pristina Campbell are the producers the month debates podcast is mixed by Karen Lynch. 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Horrorvision #1 South Park S13E8: Dead Celebrities with Brucker from Film on the Rocks

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Horrorvision #1 South Park S13E8: Dead Celebrities with Brucker from Film on the Rocks

"What the? Parents. New Favorite TV station Tom this time tomorrow that will be told. To taste John's. Watching so much trash this time the trash is gonna sit them in. My parents. Then bachelor degrees. Turn L. Everybody walking the horse soup and welcome to a new horror television series So pretty much recently start a new tier on patriotic allows you to force me to watch whatever the hell you want pretty much what whore TV and I'm going to explain some saying because this episodes a little different from that but you can forced me to discuss an. Episode of Hor Television, basically, these episodes aren't going to be weekly nor will I be picking them? They were released an order of donator picks from Patriot, dot com slash for soup as I received them and their release on Fridays. So the segment is one hundred percent run by you the fans and without further ado go ahead and introduce yourself because I've A. Guest here. Thanks so much for having me My name is Brooker and I host a movie podcast, call them on the rocks. We do a different movie each week in we come up with drinking roles, Dula. But at Trivia talked about our favorite scenes, get into deeper messages and we always debate whether or not the movies deserve a sequel. So have fun. With them and drinking rules is kind of like the main segment of the show in such a lot of fun to come up with drinking roles for movies. But I'm really excited to be here and talk about this this episode with you. Yeah. Thanks so much for coming man at pretty much what you guys as the fans should get from that is that. He does a lot more for show than I do. 'cause I just I just shit on the stuff. Yeah, we are a movie positive kind of podcast is always fun to kind of Pooh, Pooh, on dumb shit occasionally so off. So yeah. Pretty much I feel like this episode needs a little bit of explanation because I'm starting off a horror TV segment and the very first episode is South Park dead celebrities that thirteen episode a release in two, thousand, nine Obvious. I'm not going to say yes to all dumb fucking requests like this. I'm just going to throw that out there right now light if it's horror enough of it's not a horror television series and its horror enough and I'm like, okay I'll agree to that then I'll do it but I'm not going to say, yes to all the dumb guy, know someone's GonNa try to send me fucking something fucking stupid outlandish and I might say yes to South Park episodes depending on what they are but this guys don't don't get to fruity with. This one, this one walks the fine line. So I feel like this one is it could have gone either way but I feel like I don't know your podcast but I feel like it might be enough to be kind of. Spooky and that's what I want. It reiterate my fucking podcasts. So if I say no. But this one. That's fine. I'll say, yes to most things, Trey Parker and Matt Stone just because I never actually surprisingly enough. This isn't the first time I've talked about south, park on this podcast like. In full episode for actually did at the time like I did like four Halloween episodes like one episode let make sense. So I mean like isn't the first time I've covered this but you know I'm pretty excited to get into this. You Wanna go ahead and get into the broker. Yeah, absolutely. So in this episode, cows little brother is haunted by dead celebrity until Michael Jackson who. Doesn't want admit he's in limbo decides to live out his fantasy of being a little white girl. So this episode starts out Kyle's dad plowing cows mom, and then I'd comes in he's like I saw ghosts in my room, and then you know Mr Broth loss is just like dude, fuck off get out go away. There's no ghosts you'll be fine, and then it turns into fucking Poltergeist Yep. Immediately just like I can't fucking escape this movie I cannot get away from poultry guys always fucking trees attack and windows and show covered poltergeist last week, and the really irritating part is that Dude Koch he was on the Patriot and pick a movie tier and he told me a new poltergeist and any now it's the movie tier and he told Media Poltergeist episode of fucking South Park Ges the one two punch. Yeah, it's really just a big fuck. He's treating it like it's a wine and cheese combination maybe. No. He's treating this like it's a fucking game like my life like I. Don't have to deal with this. And relive it over and over again. Wake up thinking Oh God do I have to watch something else that has to do with fucking poltergeist? Doing Gail dance for me talk about poltergeists. So. Much but you know there's still pretty grand billy mays ghost appears in the room advertising mega scrubber mold mildew even those impossible Weinstein's gone in a flash to billy to billy mays goes was perfect I. Kinda really loved that not not. GonNa lie. And this was not not long after we lost the great the late in gray billy mays. Yeah and we got to see a little more of him beside all the reruns of commercials that they showed, which they actually joke at a little bit in this episode. Definitely I had it took a lottery of restraint not just introduce myself as Brooker here from film on the rocks the talk about. Whatever respected you a lot more if you did the. Do it occasionally. Maybe I don't know but yeah, that was. A that was if you were to make this episode, a drinking game that would definitely be wind whenever the whole Billy mays here comes up or the the product that Cartman just loves it was a poll two-way. I, think we'll get to that in a little bit but yeah. Yeah. So the the Pronounce it right. To pull away or to to pull away I feel like I'm Butler way to pull away FUSCO. Fuck it. I'm not buying product now but. You don't pronounce the E. Pulled away to T- way to. Chipoko, stupid yeah. So, billy mays the fair faucet shows up, and then billy mays trust men some stuff in disappears as I, crisis brothers, arms, and then you know, of course this the sends I to therapists and he's like a C- dead celebrity surrogate a little six senses limit. Not, enjoying a don't like that movie either and then the therapist is like a you see any dead celebrities at the moment. And he has one of my favorite lines like just. Make Man. It is so inconsequential to he just walks. I was like, okay he just walks away. It's all that happens with Ed McMahon but you know it's fine. Fine. So cal heads over his bud's house and he's like, Hey, you know my my brother he keeps seeing dead celebrities at an cows like, oh. Yeah. You know billy mays in others and then carpets like Holy Shit Dude. You just say billy mays. And then for some reason like I, don't get this at all because they all watch a Lotta TV. But for some reason, standards know who billy mazars yeah. I. Wonder. If that was like a like a generation thing I, don't know that was kind of like 'cause like their kids. I don't know of something like at. As cartman new cartman new let's because he was He was part of the target audience for one of the products but for one of them but I mean dude there was there anyone in two thousand nine the didn't know who billy mays was like two, thousand, seven, two, thousand, eight period probably not I. Mean I think he even had a show on the Discovery Channel Two sets yet him in that other guy, Sullivan? Who've it's the other guy that sold other products just like billy mays did they had a? Like the the discovery channel had show just them to it was like a documentary series just them being the spokes salesman and Oh Shit I do remember that actually. Yeah. That was a thing I, remember like an observer like a raccoon bit one of them in a stunt or I don't know. But yeah. So that so and I also just read Wikipedia I just did not know that off hand so. Mighty mend it. Did he mighty men the raccoon by? Force the was the call it, the Flex Shield or whatever that like black sprayed stops water coming out to slap that right on there you're like sprayed into your walls and stuff was was was that the mighty men was that it was it Might not necessarily was it. Yeah. That was definitely I think that was mentioned in this episode, the mighty men but effort was pretty much a second ago because he was like an mighty men dear asshole I I don't know what he was trying to mighty man but he was trying to mighty meant something you're wack you're raccoons in. Yeah. Mighty men you're goodall raccoon rooms as billy mays product. So we get this Cipolla away segment now because. You Know Cartman, has to show Stan I think maybe Kenny you know what exactly billy mays is so he's like, okay you know they play these reruns all the time I'll find him he goes through his Tivo were shadow to Tibo and goes back he finds this and he's like okay. So Japan away this spray will get all the bloodstains out of your underwear for meeting to Bolt Ley and carbons like, yeah. Do this shit changed my life? This. Where would I be without Chippewa? Is just they really nailed like all the sticks from those from those type of commercials. I did do a whole like blood in a little cup in just like pour it over the underwear and every day it was fantastic. He's like, okay. So we need to go find billy mays goes because there's like the greatest person ever obviously and Kyle for some reason Kyle's really hung up on the fact that Cartman keeps eating food that makes them ship blood. Is that really a problem though I don't think so I think we should discuss this I. think it's also kind of just like a little like joke at these kind of infomercials because these infomercials makeup problems that people don't actually have. So people aren't actually getting their astle torn up so I don't. Know now, bring it back. You're obviously not an eater of spicy foods or things that make your asshole bleed because I will say that on multiple occasions, my asshole has blood I don't know maybe I'm like who is was it stand that the golden ask maybe I, just have a golden asshole so. So the thing is I thought I had a golden asshole for a long time like a long time and then one day just hit and use. It never comes back. You don't get that getting too old for this shit yeah. So. So why? Why why is the bloody? What side do you do you fall on in this bloody? asshole debate do you think he should assess the situation and not eat foods that cause his asshole to tear open and bleed or do you think that because he has a solution to his asshole tearing open and bleeding or at least a solution to the evidence of his asshole tearing open and bleeding? That S-. You should be I mean I. Definitely I mean, realistically. Yeah. You should just avoid the food because I mean the the spray isn't fixing your asshole. So. The food's really good. I mean I don't know man there's other things you can do but I don't know or maybe try seagate like an asshole transplant like golden asshole transplant from someone in your golden. Well. The way I see is that they're both a little bit wrong cartman. Should be carbon should be switching out Schipol for something actually good that will make your asshole bleed because I'd make my asshole bleed for some things not apply. As to be worth it, it has to be really worth it this however was not. So I'm kind of on the fence here. Yeah. If it was something like I don't know. I can't like. Really Nice steak yet it's worth it but it Relates some sort of like fast food thing like this. I don't know why is your asshole bleeding over a really nice steak I. Don't know why is it bleeding over burritos? I don't know I. I'm having a hard radio. so much more sense than the steak I probably agree with you on that but I, just haven't had this problem I have i. don't know maybe it's a I don't know. A BLONDE HAIR, blue eyed golden asshole child you ju- you perfect man. Can't believe this up on my pedestal just laughing at people bleeding from their hassles. Fuck you, fuck. Curia fucking high and mighty throne. Dick. So up next the gay show on the planet ghost hunters, what is that? What is that oh? My God, allow it. It's warm. This was my favorite part of the episode not GonNa lie this whole parity on taps. It's so fucking good like this is my favorite ghost parody in the world. It's fantastic. They showed to the Broth Foschi house is ghost hunter start pissing their pants no. Like what is Oh, like God. One of them shits himself. No, like, oh, it's warm. It's in the back of my pants now smells. It's IT'S AZTEC? I don't know if you saw. But the actual host of taps solve this and he thought it was hilarious. He actually encourage people to watch this episode because he thought the pair was so funny he wasn't offended or anything he thought was really adds say he he didn't Tom Cruise? No No, no no he did not do that. He was totally cool with that was hilarious which watched a fair amount of those. But not all of them I watched the one with the dog whisperer what's his name again oh, Vulcan. CRN Ramsey. Yeah. Yeah. So Gordon, Ramsay the the dog whisperer I watched the one with with that. I've watched like a handful just like I don't know since I was a kid they all do that same thing like what the fuck was that did you see that band and they all like? At their hair even though they're all bald what's going on line and love that you're in this in south park evens it just starts with them in their own conference room planning stuff still going what is that? So it's just like these van that was like driving on the way over there. Just like holy. Shit did you hear that? Did you hear that it's like these guys are paranoid late? They're actually the FBI's about the light catch them for something all the time. NO THE GHOST FBI don't be an idiot, Bro. Sorry. The what was that? Stupid. Ryan Reynolds Movie The. D is about to get them or something. So God, see you say right around I just watched Amityville two thousand and five last week. So Oh My condolences. I'm on some other Ryan Reynolds go stuff that makes me uncomfortable I'm on a different level. Okay. So these guys, these hunters, they all chit themselves and they run out the door for some reason stand isn't too impressed with them I don't get why but I end up at the hospital again because he can't stop seeing. Billy. mays and that we hear a debate about whether or not you should each polio away whether or not you should be considered your asshole. I'm still kind of on the fence in that but then. The midget from poltergeist shows up. This isn't like dude. I cannot fucking escape this God damn movie. In. Any sense of the Word Fuck and? Is here dude, fuck and Tangerine isn't a building. Shkin scape it. ABS So tired of this shit but you know what? She's here I have to deal with it. She explains that you know she's like Ed Billy mays ghost is in there and you know the animated Poltergeist Tangerine is doing a great job because she's going in between talking and whispering just like the do in the fucking dog ship film which I I've talked about this before on the show I just last week but God I hate the whispering poultry guy so much it makes no fucking sense. Yeah. Like. When you watch poltergeist, it's been a really long time. But yeah, like this I just can't get over I really hated winters whispering and movies period and the, and it's like there's point to it and poltergeist because they're talking like full force one scene, and then all of a sudden they're like have to whisper south ghost can't. Here's they're fucking ghost. What are you talking about? Talking about where are you getting this information? That's useful. Like told you. If you whisper a ghost can't here they probably fucking hear your thoughts. Are you kidding me? Yeah. It's this is the inter dimensional being like fuck your whispering this. It makes me so fucking angry but I'm real I love map Parker and trey stone so much for you know recognizing that and just going in between like they're standing in the hospital room and she's talking and then she's like. What happened but oh, my God and I'm like, yeah. Perfect. 'cause that's the fucking moving. Say. She's a specialist in spooky stuff I think. That's what the doctor introduces are as it's like Oh, yeah. Well, I can't really handle. We have a specialist in the spooky paranormal. And then Tangerine shows up of God yeah I just yeah it's bad engineer details good though because they actually give her the Tan Gina Name Tag. That's a good point. That's a good point I. Think I missed that that that's a good observation. You gave her the name jagged everything I'm like Oh God. So she starts her could say on starts to talk to the dead celebrities added group finds out that Michael Jackson's ghosts in limbo with the rest of them and you know he's like I'm dead. Skin condition. Ignorant. Ignorance. Dangerous is like you have to convince Michael Jackson he's dead he's in denial. In denial his. Try to convince them and I'm surprised they didn't even go farther and they cause in the poultry guys. They have this thing retain Gina's all like, yeah who's the one that the? Most scared of you have to be really aggressive to her tell her you're gonNa spanker and I almost wish they went like that far too like tell Accu GonNa spank him onto. Which you kids is act most scared of. Kyle you kick the baby. Is Like I don't I don't kick the baby. Would be great. They kept on. They kept a running joke of the buddy assholes when they did late like blood just like like a busted balloon everywhere like what the fuck man. If they did like a nightmare on ELM street like death where it's just carbons asshole just spewing with like a giant waterfall of blood and. Bad asshole. Yeah. That's great and billy mays us to clean up the situation with is like pool of Japan. They'll get. He slaps like that that like force Flex Shield wherever on it just stop that blood coming out. No I it's like it's like, when would a helicopter that like puts out fires as just drop a giant like Amazon yeah. Yeah, just drop a bunch of AAA over this pool of asshole blood. It'd be a good episode IV okay. So yeah, there's there's jeter convinced him he's he's in denial nineties leg and that dead. Ama- child. And I'm white. Think, he says, what was he like a white girl I think this what he says yeah that's the whole running job at this boy he's Just Ama- child and why but yeah, the whole time is this like emily. Yeah The lack in Malacca wailed. So Michael Jackson goes starts fucking screaming bloody murder and then Tangerine goes flying out the window and dies and good God i. wish this happened in. Poltergeist. I wish he was not around for more movies. I wish they just throughout the fucking window Dir and all that like bullshit with floating house and eating house and skeleton baths just throw her in the skeleton. Bath Yeah Yeah but. With this, we're going Darth Maul you here. Except when we? All I would love to see her get chopped in half. please. Is it the as the Bolt Agai supercup that we need the Super Gut yet just fucking quite gone comes in. Shops fucking jobs tangerine ride in half lean against. Exactly, have five with all of them. So Kyle. Just wake up after Tangerine flies out because I think that you know he's good. Now he's not possessed anymore and then they find out that actually I is Michael Jackson now own it's it's really the opposite of what you want to happen to your little brother, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's opposite. Believable. Want to have to anyone. Really. So brooker as a as a blue eyed. Blond haired white boy, would you be satisfied if Michael Jackson all of the sudden your brother. If, he was all of a sudden, my brother I mean. You know I might take the opportunity to talk about him work through his issues with him out. I'll take the I shoot at work through his issues. But this is like dead Michael Jackson A. That's true. Spiritual version. So I don't know how much changing there is there. That's true. Yeah. No. If it's like, okay. If it's literally like the the the spiritual possession yet known thank you gotTa this. This. We know we know I'm getting bibles I'm getting rosaries I'm getting like whatever can. You think of Bible now Rosary is going to save you from Michael. Jackson. I mean it's better than nothing right? So I mean it's it's me doing something. When you're in a boat that sinking, all you have is a cup, but you're still throwing water out. You're doing something that's. Yeah. It's like when your name is Tangerine and you're in a movie about ghost and you start whispering because you think that ghost gang exactly. Okay. Well, we're in this limbo plane. Now we meet all the other dead celebrities and there's a good amount of them, his like during the whole like two, thousand, nine like Holy Shit because it was literally like this episode was played on the fact that a lot of celebrities died in two, thousand, nine but also. I know I feel like if if we went year to year and looked at it, I'm sure the same fucking amount of celebrities died in two thousand nine as every other year I think it was just big ones getting old and people were like Holy Shit Nfl like they were. It did feel a little bit clustered though because I've felt like did yeah the Pelicans affiliate the Michael Jackson. The fair. Faucet were pretty close to each other if I'm not mistaken. and. I'll go ahead and put billy mays higher than either of them the ability the billy mays was rough I making just be I. Wasn't he only another look this up wasn't he only like I. WanNa say like fifty, th seven, fifty three wasn't that old yeah. I think he died of a the officials empty he was only fifty. How the sucks I, think the official one Official up top seed say like heart disease and yeah something like that. Yes. I did see that I don't know if you're a football fan or anything but I did see that had Steve. McNair boards. I'm from I'm from. Nashville. Tines Fan and I saw the has Steve McNair. He was another person who died in two, thousand, nine, hundred, I saw Steve McNair on the airplane say Oh Steve that I know that they were sticking to. Finally caught on it. They were sticking to celebrities from two thousand nine but I was kind of shocked that they didn't have Steve Irwin on the plane or something because I know he didn't die in two, thousand, nine, hundred, thousand, six, but Yeah. But they they already, they already poked at him in the in the hell episode the One when they were poking out the the sweet sixteen months with Satan. That's true. So I feel like they already poked the. St Stephen's Irwin's dad and then there was like I get. Yeah. Is Two thousand nine. We're we're on a bigger and better we're moving better data we're not rehashing Matt, what are we lazy. Where were you? When Michael Jackson died I think, do you remember the moment? Trying to I remember later that day I think officers in my just in the car with my dad and think maybe came over the radio. But and it didn't affect me super hard because like I'm a little bit younger in like I just didn't grow up listening to his music that I just knew he was extremely hot king pop in, and so I knew how much of a? ICON, he was to some people. Oh, that's a big one. He was the King of Pop then also around the time he died like in lake middle school and stuff. This was a really big thing where everyone was like Michael. Jackson pedophile like that was what everyone knew him for. They didn't know him for his music. It was like all the eleven to thirteen year olds knowing him for like Oh he's. A WEIRDO and he changed the color of skin and he fucking fucks little boys or whatever. Yeah. That was definitely the the top cool thing I was going around and then four late me me and my friends we will watch lot stand up comedy and Cat Williams head that whole bit on Michael. Jackson that's yeah. Yeah. So that was something that we all like washed in saw. So that was kind of like. Our knowledge of of Michael Jackson. Yes. On my my reveal was like I was watching the news kind of popped up and then I remember who texted me and might even been like my friend bree or something like that. But someone text me and they were like, Hey, that pedophile diagnose like talking about Michael Jackson or like yeah I was like I just saw that and that was the end of the conversation and like it didn't go I didn't have like I listened to his music like sometimes like I liked it was like cool. But I, was like I didn't like it wasn't. I was an avid Michael Jackson. Listener. I didn't know a ton about him I was just like. Oh. Yeah. Everyone talks about him for fucking kids. So I think he's bad I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Same. Yeah. Doesn't sound good but I didn't know anything about him but I guess back to the episode when we get the the golden butthole revelation because Kyle's he's still stuck on the underwear thing he can't fucking get over it keeps bringing it up like Hannibal Boras talking about his his mask game show on the last Joe. rogan episode add Kyle is just going on about this and he's like, yeah well, you know Cartman if you alarmed when you first his blood in your underwear like were you alarmed that what was happening carbons like yeah, and he's like, all right. But. Y You keep doing and he's like well, my mom. Uses the GPO, my new Eric I was like what the fuck isn't like your mom uses it. Your mom removes the blood from your from your fucking underwear and he's like, yeah, this is what normal people do you have a fucking problem? You get a solution idiot. It's basically it's happening and I don't have a problem with it. Yeah. I might be a landing moron. The was Kyle Stan that was bringing out the I was I was definitely kyle think. Definitely Anymore Kyle on this argument, but that's okay. Oh, you're wrong. You're so wrong or going to agree to disagree. So, they decided the Michael Jackson has always wanted to be a little white girl and a children's pageant. So of course, you know what would do you do? The yet I mean, this is the obvious solution get dressed up as a little girl and then. Do, it, look let Mike do his thing and when. You have a problem. Find a solution. So whose side are you really on? Their boasts solutions they're both solutions to the same problem but I- Bud. All right. So Michael his talents that he likes to climb and sing trees That's what he does and she thinks that people that don't are ignorant and you know just too easy steps billy mays can climb over these seats and kick you right in the fucking balls and you know what? So there's also another story. So after like Michael Jackson died a little bit of time passed this South Park. Episode came out and that was actually an ongoing joke like in school at the time with me like I was around at also with me and specific I took to the with too easy steps. I can climb over these seats and kick you right in the fucking ball's line. I had a fucking field day with that, I use that line for so long That's fantastic. Always Nice when you get those nice little goto things like you shut the fuck up, I'm gonNA climb over these. Kick you the fucking balls Edson live man it's like right up there with That's just lettuce on the fuck you sandwich. Sir Right up there that's you probably haven't seen it because no one's seen it but it's this movie called. Dumb Blink from two thousand fourteen. Terrible but the ginger guy from A Christmas story is at which I didn't find out until later I didn't realize it wasn't later in like one of our group chats someone was like, Hey, you know those a fucking ginger guy from beaches are like bullied from Christmas door and I was like wait why you're looking at pictures it's like, yeah, dude fucking him and he is literally just a bigger version of that and don't blink and I wish I knew that like when I was watching it but I was still like Oh this guys are awesome. But like it, it would have been a different viewing. Damn, well, that's actually kind of like. Well, I guess he's not doing too well in a shitty movie guest but. Doing terrible. Guys good place in line. Wasn't in a good place in life in two thousand fourteen I'm sure he's like dad now he killed himself in that movie i. Don't know where he isn't real life Jeez looking further roles in any somebody with yellow eyes. You can't. You can't do it. So we watch this a typical creepy pageant, Shit. You know some typical old man Juergen off to three year old just what you see it every child pageant and that Michael Sings. A song about being a blonde little wacko. He's like and jazz. And Yoga. And? Shum Mon.. They really nailed it the whole gag they're really excited because they're like Oh these guys just really love Michael because they're fucking coming in their pants over here and there judge CD the MOM show Blue Kiss at the judges Oh God too much that not enough and then the cops pull in and you know it's a it's a really good scene because it's like mid judge you know the cops just pull in like no discussion anything they're like all right guys. Let's get you out of here. It is right out A. I love that I love any time like a movie or TV show or anything does something like that like there's no dialogue like you know it's what should happen and everyone's like, yeah of course, a cops gonna come in and pull these people out and they just come in there was like all right buddy. There's no. A setup like called anybody early putting. Anonymous, no Miranda right nothing. All right. Listen let let your pants or down Sir like. Listen Idiot can see the semen on your pant leg. It's right there. It's on your crotch it's it's all over the fucking table. Would you talk is everywhere? It's like it's like on these girls. At this point these guys are just like spewing their fluids all over the fucking room. Sir. This. Is a Wendy's yes. Sir Let's also talk about how many times I've been in a establishment that I've worked in and people have legitimately just been jacking off in there. fucking seats. Happens entirely too often wait really I can't tell me do a bitter night is not a bit a real fucking thing that's happened in my life many times you just look over in the corner of a place you're working restaurant or something like Oh there's a guy jacking off at the bar to someone sitting across from them this great. I. Could say their experience that that is that is now discussing. Oh Yeah No. Dad happens some people just need to go to jail for Durkin off a main. The last time that happened in my life was probably like three months ago while F- that's insane cabins very often it's fucking. Yeah. I wish it would be like South Park where a cop which is right be like all right buddy just take them out because everyone in the room would be fine with it in the room be like, yeah we all saw that dicked result you've fucking coming over your pant legs of the table and like splashing your shit ever take them out of the Fuck Hattie. Guys like John Doe from seven is he's writing in his notebook so I jerked off at Friday's today so. Yesterday jerked off here is just a jerk book man is it Jerk Book? I threw up on the bus and I dropped off after. Sisterhood of the traveling come filled pan. Oh. Yeah. It's the life that we live in fucking America but not in not in Brookner's of America apparently, you live the cushy America life where you don't see people jogging off at every fucking station. Please right into Horse Su. If you have seen somebody jerking off because I feel like that. This is just a novelty of your life that this can't be just a me thing. I almost beat someone with a bat actually I. Think about it this happen not just three months this month and half ago. Right right. Behind my work this homeless dude was jacket off to some fucking girls in the back and I had a dude, get the fuck Outta here and he was like, all right and there's also mid pandemic and he's throwing his fucking wings all over the floor and whatnot like is grow says bones on like no dude seriously get the fuck out right now he's like all right and then I walked back to my car grabbed my bat and I went back and I was like get the fuck out of here right now Sir Richard at least put a mask on your car. If you'RE GONNA jerk off I, mean just common decency yeah dude come on like There's a dumpster right there at least go in the dumpster closer doorman a love like that's like like you just at least do the bare minimum please. The. Bare Minimum. You're right. He's sitting next to a dumpster doing it. That has doors that they already fucking someone got bolt cutters and fucking. took the lock off. So now we can't lock that door. So now you just walk into throwaway trash and there's some dude doing crack right next to you dame. So interesting life man that's no one else lives life. She's fuck dude a feeling him just've alone over here in a dumpster jerker I am just I can't say I have that's alright. So I needed And he does system. So then the Golden Ticket Cartman sees the judge eating chipotle and he's like wait. She might not know because the last judge has just a female judge left obviously. This female judges into into Michael Jackson as a little girl as most would be and. He's like, Hey, I have this golden ticket. She might not know about Chapel A.. And Be Real. She doesn't know Yep and I. Love How she's kind of like ashamed of like what it does tour like well. I used to eat I used to enjoy it, but it's too hard talk about or whatever it is that she does. She's a little ashamed but also this is one of the most romantic scenes I've ever seen in TV history. You. Know they really have. They really have a heart to heart. carbons he's like, Hey, you know I know you want each polay. She's like well. I love it but I just oh, carman's like. Can't stand the bloody all the bloody asshole underwear, Kanye. Oh, my God you know. And they kind of they kiss a little bit. You know they have this really nice moment and he's like you know helped me out a little bit scratch my back I'll scratch yours monetary mono You know I might give you mono from my bloody astle underwear but don't give me your mono and they pretty much. You know Michael Jackson wins the badge in. Mike and I got it done. That's My Kid I don't. Let's not do that. Let's not make Mike and. There's really not make that thing I'd rather not is that where I just found the line says, okay. That's the of all the things that are the line that is the line. I'm drawing the fucking line at Mike and I can't do that. That's too much for this show. Of Sorry Bruckner you're you're out and you're and you're recording I'm gonNA finish this episode on my own here my door slam. Okay. Thuc you man. So I'll Michael Jackson's spirit is free now because he won the little girl pageant and all the ghosts are ready to leave limbo had overdue internal damnation but they have kind of what was it a layover or something a camera what they said I'd never been on a plane I don't know plane term it was. Just waiting to take off and a love they even have like the pilot over the intercom does the whole pilot speaks? So Ladies, gentlemen we a little late here. shouldn't be too much longer. Just tight And that's the end of the episode. Episode it's Great Yeah, I I liked it. Billy mays here I'm kidding but yeah that. was. A. Lot of fun to watch was it was pretty funny as like I, said I loved all like the ghost hunters shit because I I don't touch me like on a on the spiritual level. No Pun intended and I was just 'cause. I've I've watched a handful of those shows. This is exactly how it is. They nailed it. Dad's really good I really liked tangent getting murdered. Like. Finally somebody did it Dow is my favorite but yeah, the ghost hunters pissing themselves as a child pageantry on the fuck and money. It's a really good episode. It's not one of my favorite south park episodes but As, far south park episodes go give it at least seven seven point five. Yeah. Yeah. I I say that's fair. It's good. Today's for coming on the show breakfast for having me this was a total blast go ahead and plug stuff and then we'll do a little sign out and all. Touchy spiritually before we get out of here. Sounds good. All right. So My podcast is film on the rocks. It's a movie podcast and we'd like to nate drinking rules phone with movies. You can find us on Itunes spotify pretty much anywhere that you listen to podcasts and follow us on twitter at Feminine Rocks and that's Film on my costs. Thanks Chechnya spiritually. 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Inside Supercars - #261 - 2019 Owners Reflections

Inside Supercars

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Inside Supercars - #261 - 2019 Owners Reflections

"The matter of pulling together the whole Jordan and putting on what I can be a brilliant. We'll be honest with herself next week as usual and say okay this stonking result. But what could we have done. Better Passion for rising again looking like my job back to doing it because I love rice it kind of really exchange. Welcome to incisive Kaz shine. Dan Ginsberg from holden rising thing inside certificates tiny went Ville. And it's getting very close to Christmas. Great it's Simba Hits were into summa. You wouldn't know when hate is around across the country and it's not getting above about twelve fifteen degrees in some of the capital cities in date and we saw snow in pots of Adam. Alvin tonight but anyway so A week on the vacant testing. That's the vehicle. Aerodynamic tasting is underway on sand. Okay at the Air Force Base there just outside to wilmer so Very applicable doing it coincided with so much of it concentrated even though the majority of teams down in south the ones that count at his the homologation teams day. Jasim Pinski food team in the triple eight olden factory dame about they they are along with him that's all works and anything being out release said about it all yet. Craig haven't heard anything to this point in time name. One fascinating story broke in news. Limited papers across the weekend was that Woken shore could have Bam W in twenty twenty one. That would be an interesting spanner in the works. If all of a sudden the you know they have to start worrying about what a BMW might look like and having to do all the testing over again for another make good for the series though to have another make and paps if there's got to be an open over at Woken sure that explains more. Chaz Mostert decision to move doesn't as you well know and have followed that Chaz is go to a huge reputation in amongst BMW with the with the stuff. He's I've been doing overseas in the last three years. He well and truly shine a light. Broadly in fact Charlie labradors this year. Unfortunately at Schnitzer became very impressed when Chas drove with the nicotine at The twelve hour and jazz did have another couple couple of drives overseas in America. And Wow it's a it's a real curveball isn't to suddenly have. BMW in the Series Hill would be amazing. I mean and we have to go back to the late eighties. Our single maybe early nineties when BMW. Las Hit factory cows on the track. Back in the days of poor Morris Sir starving for them. I think. Everyone's memories with the cows that Arabists retro this year sandown the GPS obvious BMW's. That's the one that always comes to mind for most in Dade indeed Yeah fascinating To the fondly now only varies canoes. Brian Cavell on the driver. Front goes jazz as you mentioned with the Walkin shows Then his tight place being taken a ticket in the tape car with Jecklin Brooke Mukasa swooping around of Deliveries Ahah with now the Butler car Becoming coming a truck assist car for lejos with yet sort of out there and see If Reynolds GonNa do the series again which would be good very good sponsored scandia. Step up with him Matt Stone. We've got told Heisel recourses left after Matt after a couple of years matters coast to announce WHO's GONNA be driving? His two cats aim got many of the pieces in in place. In fact I've also I think just starting to get in the ring saying we'd like number thirty four to take up Gary Number so he'd run thirty four hundred thirty five with Gary Jacobson. Zion got out It certainly GonNa be interesting to see you for lies. Pieces work out the other New Zealand driver of course basis Andrei Harm Ghana. This weekend continued his fine form. Winning the opening round at Punahou Kelly the New Zealand v Eight series title yet it To Rice wins in the third race abandoned with wild weather calling Having to call it off it certainly great to see that series continuing on. It's it's been through some rocky times. I know it's important that we do have a fatal because obviously I series with full very fine New Zealand drivers we renamed. Does guys here before Ming well in the name of that fatal system as well the avenues at coast was just about to break is only control shock. Front it's it's Not being confirmed yet but it sir all but news out there that the superficial satisfying built charges over system is going GONNA be coming into the series branded. Probably Patos who've been around for some years in in a number of roles as a sponsor and it's another of the parameters being taken out of the system I have mixed feelings about it. But if he's going to genuinely reduce costs in the long term Jim then I think it's a good thing I think they were talking about two corners thumbing like two thousand dollars a shock which is gonNA be dramatically cheaper. The only trouble is that when. Hey we'll get it in their head that they can come up with something drinking their way of shock spring setups at. Maybe he was time doing that so this week. We've got of course the number of hearts of yours from your time rather newcastle pits. You are very busy. Creggan talking to tame on his You have have quarterly stove them. Yes we spoke with been climbing Roland dying Brad giants just to name a few and we got the thoughts about the vk testing and where the state of the nation is actually at this point of time. So that's I think Interesting insight into how. Some of these miners are thinking. Did you speak Gary Roy. Just because she's fondly the supercar and yes spoke to him on the Friday morning so we've got a few short words from him and Yeah he he I think he summed it up. He's not done on yet and tiny Also in that second segment we speak to Gary Jacobson. WHO's as we previously mentioned yet to be announced his future? We have a few words from todd. Hazelwood has now feature was determined but he was being very tight lipped over the Newcastle weekend. And and just a few BIBS and bulbs from different members sold pedic would have been of course similarities of his final round after the threes in this series. She certainly added something to it. I'm I'm sure she would as many others would come at Robert Croly saying she probably didn't make as big the impact is is. She thought she she should and bay. I thought she would because you know she has. They don't appear Demon Indy cars and you know they on easy things to drive. That's right in fact. She has flying out of Australia. They were already and he's on her way to join the Polish team. Well it's it's great for the series. In fact I have somebody leaving series to golf and race for the Porsche Factory. So that's a one of the things off the bright. We'll come back with looking to in hearing hearing from the team owners in circus. H Wait joined the inside Motorsport team as I look at all the news from across the valley and around the world the sport with Interviews News and opinion go to put money back into the sport at the lower levels to develop the kids and bring them up. You can't rely conclude lock for Daniel Record is all manned. Were found a few nights tips and money. In and sending cities direction needs to be a stratos for broadcast on community radio and on law on Sports Radio DOT COM the views expressed on inside supercars including the panelists and guests do not reflect the views of the Network Thunder Media Will Sport Radio any publication ray broadcast of the show without the express written permission of thunder media is strictly prohibited. Dick Johnson from the team. Penske inskeep. And you're on inserts surpassed took me over cheering thousands to speak to a number of the team owners at the season and the future team owners included included Betty Clinico of Erebus Brad Jones of Beija and rolling dying triple eight race engineering. We started by asking him. A series of questions about the outcomes tells of the vehicle ero tasting coming up very simple as that they era testing and the and the outcomes comes from it or run smoothly in and we get a Hopefully really really good set of set. The numbers equals as they can be the next Jason. Fred Jones Tom. It's always interesting when we make significant and even change what it does to close the field which I think it impacts on a for sure so. It's hard I do not actually getting the contests I think that in the right direction they somewhat limited by lack of manufacturing you from bar and a different way wing But when you talk to civic is who do the day on the college's I feel like it's you know it's pretty pretty decent change range so that's one thing the other part of it. He's finding the balance between the Commodore and the and the Mustang and you know it's imperative parody that we get those guys with the same sort of numbers and same sort of track performance in terms of air so While it's important that we we we knock a bit often. It's really really important. We get a ride and if we and we have another year like we did this year. It'll be a problem. Changes changes that are being made and therefore seen by supercars small adjustments to the existing era. I agree with that. I wouldn't talk about what has to happen because I tend to go the board so I want to be placed with. Their neighbor has a great advantage. You know you have a good driving. You can usually usually take a small percentage of advantage in basis but not win it. Just swamps you. And that's what happened to. She doesn't matter how good your drive was. We've got great great drivers and the best we can do seconds and thirds and it's kind of lighting and next year that they get it right. It's not my job to tell them how to do it. They have to do really isn't expected to require teams to undertake alone X.. Work in the off season to modify the castle components rolling dying again gives his opinion any changes to the cause very small. Yeah it's not GonNa take any time The changes that are looking at so. That's that's not Brad. Jones explained testing procedure. They don't necessarily provide provide for each race will have space in weaknesses in different areas of the rice. WELL WE DO STRAIGHT LINE era. So we don't do it in your so different Shaikh so identical but they're going to generate the same number so similar. I'm very close and say you know it can can be six and a half degrees negative camera. As opposed to five and a half that similar right there might be a huge difference to the cast so I just need to be close enough that I am majoring yardstick for me. He's having limited through the field. Not Having the same manufacturer pretty much dominant from fifteen to loss. What is the cost of doing business? In Twenty nine tainted eighteen and twenty twenty liked the viable income. Streams is more challenging tonight and was five years ago absolutely crap. Actually you're going to the same sponsors that the Super Tuesday going for and the and soup because themselves so you've got to have that that different age then to want to come to you. We lock we have been with for a while and the fact that this happened many many many many years ago they took away funding. That would have kept the field. Centuries centuries was cigarettes I mean cigarettes has billions to burn and burn. Anyway I mean even if it was you know not even the actual Sierra zero kind of showed their day logo or something but You could find good sponsor of mine sponsors monsters. Do you literally have to sell yourself. It's challenging assignments and it's the environment woman. The economic environment in Australia is not brilliant The swamp share market is tougher than ever. We general consensus is that. Yeah we don't really have enough free to a television at the moment and the combination of those factors is definitely making the income side of it more challenging and costs meanwhile of employing people logistical costs to guy with rising which are absolutely nothing to do with the cars continued to increase. What are the is? The level of engagement twin. Civic has awesome. The team has been like this season. It all depends what day you talking because you have one of the owners roll up in arms together and then in the next day they they have what I call transport companies and you know. They'll a lot of them talk but they wouldn't when it actually comes down to it. I think they get a little scared. That it's going to backfire on them. And you just have to find your mission statement and stick to it and stand up to that one mission and once you do that. And you've got that finalized you guys the next one. You shouldn't try and do it all at once I think. No relationship between the teams collectively and supercars is to is extremely good. We've got some very competent people because at the moment and and I think the relationship that they have it broadly is with with all the teams is pretty good. I feel like they can make in Spain unfairly targeted this she. I feel like the work. That's coming out of the commission has been Being very good and we stay on and and Neil Crompton Getting Nielsen Lee at the end of his tenure i. It's time really because I think a lot of good work is done and out of that is not everyone's happy about the Mike up of the group and and the results that come out of it but when not he just for one team where he for all things and just because it's probably not that happy about it might mean that we're doing a good job. I'm for everybody. I might go up and talk to someone from SIP because this is a problem that I have Neko. Yes yes yes yes but by the end of a very busy day. That's the last thing I don't remember. Nag Them Bayton. Keep nagging nagging. And you'll get through that they could do better on the the communication side Ride Jones. Who's on the board? And the cavs commission said he feels work has been done that she has been somewhat underappreciated. Chang I feel like you know pretty good And it's a funny relationship but we we're working through one thing's for show people that I come into contact from that side or that are in the middle. I work pretty hot at trying to make sure that the best result is tape or is the level of engagement interaction between the teams in television production. Ever really been a a big. The problem about the communication could stop appropriate. There are certain media people outlets the do it. Probably none of us have a problem problem that we need to be able to talk to the media and help the media. Help US get messages through. And I think they tend to forget that there are teams down the bottom of the great there needs to start taking the medallion talking to them and getting their here. They slant on things because some of those people down there brilliant geniuses but you need a pass to go down sometimes. Yeah okay I mean Yeah I. I sent him my toe room on the other side of the world and watched winton. And then I'll watch the indy five hundred and then I watched the six hundred Challah Salad and I felt like the quality that we produce is equal or better than the other the other two to Rice meetings at our watch. I I if your vision is about how we go about producing content and putting it out there then. I think we're very very very very capable in that area. If you're talking about the little shows in between that I don't want him. Television product is it is put together by television so the relationship which they the teams have with that I think has has always team pretty good and you might have the dispatch every so often. But that's all right off etcetera in terms of terms of TVs television television. Guys do their job. We all appreciate that. They have to do that job and trauma with them wherever we can in my experience I mean certainly this team does I feel like we get the middle of the stick. I think supercars is in charge of the relationship. We have with the television. They come in. They go out they they feel muscle doing something spectacular and they walk out now. Don't think they really is a communication they would all we adjust this subject Meta. Yes not all depends August if someone's coming into an if something crashes happened in the coming to talk as they should be More involvement velvet between team and come title or the media that comes in from Tei from perspective. And I've heard other team is really the sport anymore. So that if you divide it up the airtime and divided by the man 'cause we'll then that's what's fair but at the end of the Daiei people tune in to watch might arising not not nine point three seconds at one particular car. So you know I'm not. I'm the Harbor Saint Joe where you're going with this but I think it's a pretty good from my side. You know we have a we get what we deserve. What about the risks to me? How do these odors see the liberal of engaging five journalists are concerned? I think they doing a wonderful job at the moment. I think they going to the right subjects. I'm jake the right people and talking to getting the write stories you need journalists over there falls on the outside and they're not scared to ask the hard questions and not not an and actually delivered to the public finances not just take. The Hud hasn't been followed away in a file but actually put it up the public to make their mind up on as long as I say on his In terms of the rest of the media I mean my my biggest regret is that there's not more independent media out there. It's a sign of the Times. Really and that everyone seems to consume an musing very bite size and Quantities these days that are by twitter or instagram. Whatever whatever that to be honest not really part of my world and I? I regret the fact that there onto many independent media outlets as there were when I first came here sixteen years ago. But he's rather concerned that some stories choice of not perceived attention from the they deserve. I feel they'd been twisted buried and then buried again in the tombstone. Put up even little forget about it because we never going to go back to it and that's wrong. I'M NOT GONNA give names but there are certain journalists who you say you. Just you'll say sentence like like. Oh Yeah I think you know. Days crash was not his fault and the you know he's got a deal. Superstition Bat the Red Jacket Anymore. And he'll just take through the woods and jacket and turn into a totally different story and then decided to put whatever he wants and that is not on either the drive old all the the main order the team or the other journalists because it gives a bad ninety journalists out of the teams James Look at Fan Gagarin twenty nine and beyond I feel that the vast majority of of fancier as engaged as us as ever frankly the any differences that you get. Yeah there's one hundred cable with warriors making a lot of noise to be honest and that's why I honestly pay any attention to them because the vast majority of fans don't have time or inclination to sit on social media making a noise and and therefore those people let's says the old saying is the silent majority but it's also it's not just a majority of Vaas Lost Majority Jersey fans to come to the racist switch on television unnoticed rising comments on social media. They might look at some of it for sure because our social media numbers as a sport in turn himself now video views that sort of thing pretty amazing. They don't feel the need to comment on everything. In a polarizing fashion. One hundred people are In different other sports. So I I worry that policy that these formed on a pack of what a few people say who Who wanted a better term keyboard warrior? I when I see opposite team being given a hard time honestly I just sorry. Just move out over here honestly. I just smile because still the highest merchandise sales of anyone in pit lane and and have had for many many years. So that's more telling to be honest to me than than some people who feel motivated a a slag assault for another team or drive as whatever I I've Over the years. So I'm we engage very well with the real the real fans who coming to watch us who are switching on a on a regular basis on TV David with my team. They've got a great. I mean fans to us one of our main. What would you say Daniel? Yeah there. You're a lock blood. We are not trying to put this through sue. Because they didn't have the people buying a three hundred dollar tickets putting bombs on this and buying the products of the sponsors. The sponsors wouldn't sponsor the cows wooden rice and we would be nowhere so when you come back to the fan who's willing to pay full price ticket is I liked blood and we can't just ignore them incite. Well they can watch. It has to be more interaction with fans. I've always stayed WANNA dress Ford or holding for small and the last right rationalization as everyone who enters puts half they get into or they get another chicken there put it in and then at the very end they draw out of Ford and holding a little tiny little ones and to offend and that can be the most amazing thing that ever happened to them. It's a good good thing for holding who think foreigners would think wouldn't cost them hardly anything if they have that that thinks onset so little things like that and trading the fan as opposed to loves motor sport just as much as we the game on any teams and drivers not someone who's just ticket to go to a movie. Yeah pretty good pretty good for you. Yeah I mean Yeah I. I don't wonder ran watching what other people engaged the measuring. Stick for whether the fan engagement any good is any good. I think he's a man of people that come to the races and don dwindling at the moment so there's a lot of things that contribute attributed to that but I think the strength of our team is the chain and Berry I mean I'm not even going to put myself vinick. My strength is that I can put together. I'm today. The bans Manley directing during the weekends. I very doesn't need to do that. Interacting interacting but I feel that to give back to the PAPAL UNIDO and a way to do it is to go out and talk to the people and and you know if they're doing agreed we'll go so am I. Good morning how are you have a great day. Get Your sunscreen. Or that's what they want. They want to feel like they. They wanted a naked in this series. They won it is part of the Jani Pike Jerry or you can go and sandy hook into the giants for them. They're still GONNA pay extra money to do the they do it and they love it they just they just want to be needed to people that they idolizing this sport and we do it. Supercars does do stations and everything else but you know if I was head of Subic as I would. Once a year have fanned picnic where you have you you drive as anyone can bring a picnic with them to some huge pack in Melbourne. That you know they could up jumping houses and stuff the kids and it's not on I'm tracking off track and it's away from track rate wakened and white owners and say the cruise enormous have three legged races. And do all that type of thing and just keep back once a year. You're not going to do it. During the Watson I feel is a level of sponsorship engagement at this important time. Sponsorship is really difficult and for a lot of reasons I think any sport that you're involved in a stop to get engagement and so way Stanley working on it from a business perspective. I think more Friday would help us. But that's not going to change anytime insane so we need to run down the hatches and made sure that when we do another TV deal we get something that that he's probably a little bit more. Aw has more free to air contain. I can only speak for ourselves and we got a very engaged site. We've always worked hard at it and sponsors are are very engaged whether it's talking about the sort of big too with red at Boland holding or whether you're talking about some of the others supported us for many years like yeah Caltex with us since two thousand and five and And they have remained. Engaged through thick and thin was the opportunities and strengths of civic chasm teams as aid into twenty twenty good question super cavs strike detained. Yeah but changing the fans of his strength they should accept nick sets and stop trying to be an one field or whatever it is or or one long glitz and glamour. We're not blitzing Lima. We're you know flip flops and Figgis and beer and that's what we are. We in the soon realized that. Not Trying to to to wrap it up in gleacher and diamonds. I think they get back to their basic basic words. Though understand they will do much better in the series will be much better. That's the opportunity to sit down to Dresden. The staff and understanding you never gonNA address these people up and corporate usually is not the top of the the TRAE. It's usually these see will give the tickets to the secretary. The secretary gives them to the sun. And it's the ones you like the multiple come here not the people who make the decisions we gotta carry on providing riding great racing a regular basis and Most people in the in the around the world still look at our category as doing that. More often than than most categories in the world. Great product continuing tape to unshowy day. That there's an awful lot that we can do better than we learn every year and try and do a better job not safe on. I'm not sit on our hands. And as a as a sports there's more to this failure media deal in the offing at some stage which will have the the effects of really laying the groundwork for what the next five six plus years looks like so. That's pretty very important to US collectively next year. We're getting income back out of the business again now robin not even getting it sprayed. So it is. It's it's it's where it's at the many moving parts that contribute to that God. I feel like we're probably getting off topic a little bit. But we're getting point with with the the network the'll where and it's a right time negotiating now so we'll see what comes comes out of. Having a twenty nine from a business point of view it was a failure. There wasn't I don't think he was a year where anyone financially made anything. In fact I think it was a year way haunting sector convince responses Tuesday or not to give less money or not say yeah we will get our sponsors on Tuesday. We'll get them in. I just don't think it was the year that I particularly want to remember. It was like the Quainton. Yeah that's it that's it you know it was not because we were bad we would would compared to a lot of teams. We held Iran. But I just don't feel that we had the chance to get the top step up and it was it was like we will rising odds disappointing. You very highly. We haven't been on the party and once painful with a couple of times and I feel like we've made progress in some areas we haven't and so But at the end of the day if he just looked the results I'd say it's it's disappointing and what about the bigger organizations because let's say a twenty nineteen look like to you civic Okay I mean you know for me. A lot of that gets linked to financial. But I think that Um Yeah there's been a lot of things go on in the sport stuff that's happening with paint good honestly I don senior in right. That's sort of stuff from a business trip. Electric Light is pretty good. I mean it said I'd say probably probably a night. Well I'm not the cosmic entirely opposite. I should think about what I would wear. I would tell you exactly the opposite. They'll tell you that it was a success because that's what they tell you to the pretty covers. I don't know what you're gonNA find. I think they they had the hands full with all the penalties the the everyone yelling at everyone else because they will. If you come down to the trees it was not a parody. In the House of the beginning of the year and as the progress what we thought was parody with just kind of took away our advantage at bathurst and I think it was. I'm trying not to say what I want to say it in a way that. Get into trouble but you sing. Is Iran elaborate changed to have a break because we're all naked and You know like old teams means. There'll be a lot of change pods on the car because we'll have a different aero package that the control shock-absorbing there's a lot of things. Just get get an ounce. The new shocks. I'm not you're on the coach on the Commissioner got a nice funnily enough the press releases so look at. What's going to be good about twenty twenty? All I can really say that target will be run inside the top ten and ended up with two or three times during the year. That will be a step up from what we currently. I feel the biggest thing that might difference is the fact that they'll get the a ride between the mice all right. So how do you write season. Twenty Nine Thirteen P. Guy you John McCain on the show and you're embarrassed by what happening towns whole appeal. Apology weren't happy because she was an amazing year for Anglesey. Truthfully say there's ten percent left if people are really really really passionate. Even I have my off days where it's like. They they still have passion. I don't think it is as big as it was when they first started. which never is for anybody? But it's a different series than when we started when we started when I came in the game was I that was it and the passion was there for the the you can make a fool Rises it's going to decide by another car where there was a lot of bumping and grinding. And if you've got a clean comback you're either us. Why wasn't going fast enough? You know. Why didn't junior Bush position nowadays? It just seems a little political critical a little too much sometimes during rush you throw your hands up in the air. He cut penalized for that than the other guy's respond human. Got Nothing and seems to be you know for the integrity of the podium. Now the integrity of the right is he's controversy good for the sport. I mean Kayleigh controversy. As in my opinion he somewhere AH keeps people talking about it. Got Right back to England versus the battle of the creek in at the end of I is three and you had Hoffa people saying Oh this terrible the rest of it and everyone looks back at it now and say how wonderful it was so people. Some people have got bad memories about what they said at the time and but a bit of a bit of control a bit of rankle. Why is Ni- bad thing really as long as it? doesn't doesn't get out of hand on a on very personal on a very personal level. But you've also got to take into account some of the rankle that we've academy over the last few months has been self-inflicted so by the people involved. Well then that's that's up to me. I don't think it's good but then again he said Roland a guy these back room and they're WANNA become public. You wouldn't like that either a dining. Thanks I just about sport and I say unfortunately so Yeah I I think the businesses is in a pretty good spot. You know. There's a lot a lot of things going on the TV deal. He's going to be and we'll see what comes along with that but you know the business is rolling along and in better shape than it. Debating views h wait joined the inside modest ball team as they look at all the news from across the Scalia and around the world. Yeah I mean it means a lot and through the years a lot of reference this race majors six hundred miles around here is no easy task. Rather play. The boys in the fall would start with the family inside modest broadcast on community radio and online at Sport Radio Dot Com the U.. Joining the conversation. Post your thoughts on Radio Facebook page Miami Roy Jones From the cool dry racing team in you're listening to insult civic house whole garages here. We are at Newcastle. The end of the season. How do you wrap up twenty-nine team but what from a performance perspective probably ordinary? What about from business? Perspective many businesses strong and always husband because we continue. What got good people but Ev results really. We have struggled struggle. The sheet sorry when I results saupiquet results MINOA categories that we've entered into who suddenly starch full name. The fall thousands of good taste house. Assegai guy so we'll press on that diversification that you well. We actually spiked to Barry about it earlier. In the year that has been part of the platform of what you've been doing in the business has no well. It has been but I mean look. We've always going down the route of the younger by drivers mechanics. I sort of people. I'd say a business is this model and with enjoy doing that with reasonably good success with it but we just now not to have enough funding available to be able to do that at the coast vices at this stage. That's I want change but I've got a good grasp on that's I you know. I think we continue. That brings more young young goes and goes along the way we go again. What was the business? So what was the impetus to Gary Rogers to guy with young people and to really have that focus. 'cause on young people Think otherwise enjoyed hanging around young playboy having a few laughs and doing things with younger people look on have debating against older men in fact all person but I just enjoy that sort of That volatility views are supposedly. One of it would. Because you we've Abra everyone talks about your drivers but the the number of engineers that have come through your shop. That probably started as a junior mechanic is also quite high. Well Yeah we don't. I don't really have a lot of engineers we really have a lot of work as mechanics. people start Pepsi's mechanics engineers others that come along with an engineering degree but I think mechanical playbill evolved to any good rice as tough as out of the sweep the floors. They're all auto. As far as I'm concerned. An think one one is really better than the other team. was there a time when rising lost. It's fun or Saupiquet. Rising lost its fund anti-grenade got in that route to Mesa garage has been enormous fund for me. It's still is obviously it is. That's one on me. What do you want to achieve out of the next phase of Garages Multiple Success? What's success look like? Success was when the first one I've in the lawn but not only that when you have some fund you do it with a good group of people to me that is the ultimate success. We all know you think. The world of Gap Tanda. But you've also always had a huge respectfully Philippe. What was it about Lee and look at all good? Gaza God locked. Because we've had success some peps more than others on certain days but to me there's no differentiation. They're all good guys with that. Found in north certainly enjoyed the company of all of them. Carry all the very best. We'll see what TCI are in the early at least is is twenty twenty. You see today tomorrow and the next I because way on any wages smartvestor I we're hearing Newcastle. You'll last weekend is a fulltime driver for the moment in the supercars. But can you some of your feelings as you approaching this weekend. Yeah mixed emotions kind of definitely kind. Have a chapter closing in my career. But that's pretty happy to be here in new castle so I don't know it's just enjoying it and Yeah looking forward to the to the next chapter in my career. It's exciting chapter before we. I mentioned talk to you about that. What have you learned about yourself? Living Austrailia and touring cows cars yet was quite unique category. And I'm really lucky to have been able to race here. You know to honest it's been really special and Yeah I learned a lot just adapting to the car that was quite challenging but really enjoyed it and really enjoy the category to a lot of fun. You know everyone everyone in the paddocks really friendly and Yeah the championships competitive and good. So it's really good to be part of and living in Australia was definitely not too bad as well so Yeah all all in all like a very positive experience. How are you going to go through those European winters again? You just gotTa be pining for the Queensland Winter Route Twenty eight degrees well actually. I never really experienced like Queensland Wind. Because most of the off-season I anyway spent them in Switzerland so Yeah it's it's definitely you know I've I've been different but you know I'm happy to move back home as well you know. I haven't been home for the last twelve years and just Yeah being bacteria is going to be nice as well so go to Porsche. That's it's quite a team to be associated with isn't that it's quite an organization absol- pinching myself a little bit to be honest because it's such a legacy team legacy brand end in racing and For me to get hired by them is really special. You know a lot of drivers dream about an opportunity like this to happen to me is really cool and You know just GonNa really embrace it than the yet tried to do best show by Ken in hopefully ever really long career held US hetty. Set yourself up between when you finish and imagine your half packed already and and do make the move home. How do you think about the prep? That's required for the next season. Yeah it's a pretty busy actually fly home next week and Yeah pretty much straight back into it. with Porsche right away I think my first thing is like on the fifth. So yeah it's going to go appre quickly and It's going to be pretty exciting. I think I'm just really excited to start it. You know when you go to buy soccer to pre special see that than the especially the racing you correct formula. You're right now is just a lot going on in the yeah in the championship. Erasing it as well so we really busy and it's good to be seen racing in Australia or a lot of people particularly fans Stein onto stained. Just you're not just a rising drive your representative full. XYZ brand on the Chi- the team you dry full and that's also a lot of extra time away from what's it like in Europe and particularly a brand luck Porsche. That is so high profile. What's that Ambassador Role Gates big? You know it's Yeah I've been used to and you're GONNA really lucky to be here with Harvey Norman as well so these are things I'm used to but definitely reports you know to a little bit different than carbon just different. I've never really been associated with anything like I don't know I can't really say I'm just really excited and yet to get going if you told them what you want for driving around Switzerland still deciding more difficult choice than the any other car brands. Exactly we'll look. It's been a pleasure watching you in Australia. And I guess we're GONNA be seeing on the television set a lot more as the formula three sorry championship continues on. Thank you Gary Jacobson. And that's coming to the end of the rookie season Hattie some year. I've enjoyed it. I feel like I've lieutenant a lot more than what I thought I would. I think that the extra laps in and working with a big team like Kelly rising has transformed me by in and and out of the car. So I've actually really enjoyed the challenges at the brought the side of the year Being a rookie facing Largescale of good drivers tonight. I agree talent drivers We we had a parody issue at the side of the year where the area was really working very well and the ultimate and you just had to thought that a default hot as you could and then you the opportunity to even be. They are still rotting on that high. And then we got to Thailand Bandon and the female Arrow adjustments and all of a sudden oldest spayed came and all the extra reward for all the hard work was starting to make more sense saving. I I was working out of the start of the year and struggling. A bit wasn't really happening and then made year on it and all these results start to come and start signing south this this is why I say yeah really enjoying it. What do you think has been the biggest thing that you've learned during this year the ability to hustle? Like not just in the COBB. Working with you tame hustling the team and asking the constant feedback on what you're oh doing. Not that you doubt yourself but you WANNA try and be the best you can be and just landing the craft of getting the my stat of yourself. I think is what my K.. Hey Focus was and I'd like to admit to myself that I can improve Every day with what I do and it's an intense way to live you law but it's rewarding outing when it starts to go off Yeah I think when you step back from it all and I'm sure we'll get to that stage soon after the rising sun at Newcastle. That you know. I'm incredibly proud of having the sponsorship to finally do this having the opportunity from todd and Nick Ron and Rick Kelly to even get on the grid and then in taking a deep breath upon reflection about just being out there fighting in the category that I've wanted to rice in a whole lot since I started Kata in it's is just such a cool experience. I looking forward to obviously to keep doing these sorts of things but Yeah the learning will stop. When you think about the the ultimate last Rice Newcastle? But everyone I spoke to from probably Ba'athist was saying the Nissen's nations really same sorted. Now the tough Cada Pasini. 'cause they so quick hetty feel about seeing the end of this car. It's it's a little hard because it's it's hot because it's a lot of work that's gone into the car and you'd like to think that you've played your role in helping an assist. The team is understanding what they need to do to the cause with main To get the speed and I felt as a rookie of sort of actually brought a bit more than what I thought I could and Lots of internal discussions with just three with myron personal engineer and Scott Sinclair and todd and and voicing my opinion and then actually transforming opinions of what I think. I need into my car and sort of gone on my iron pathway in the second half of the year and being able to show some speed with my aren't agenda so it's a little bit hard to think that it's all gonna come to a grinding halt often newcastle. And then that's it but I'm sure that there will be some super two two teams out there. Maybe in the future that will get the reward of all the hard work that was put into this car for this year. And maybe it's not done yet. The development might continue. So you never know what's twenty twenty nine still few supermarkets wise. Yeah that's it's an awesome question to ask and and I can understand people wanting to know because I'm excited about what I've been able to do this year and I want to continue to build on that into twenty twenty I've got fantastic. TASTIC financial support from a range of different backers going into twenty twenty S. I obviously I'm I'm excited to announce what I what I'm doing but I have to keep tight lists like anyone else is the moment of a boring sport when you've got to keep you talk show but look I'm excited about about what I'm going to be doing in twenty twenty and I'm excited about to continue this evolution of learning how to drive these costs as fast as possible and get some better results. You come from a speedway family and is a speedway season in between now and when we might see you again I know we will in a saupiquet. What's the Playing for the speedway. So he's not gonNA give it a try or where he standing from Spain twice because perspective we need to remember slow things down a bit. My Dad was a very. You can talented speedway driving. I modified production so holds a really special place in in Mahatma. God allowed God to the track. I think it's pretty cool. Hey can turn up to the tracking all the rising down and then got harm lighter meetings dumb ways been four days at least at a racetrack here in civic as yet to rot so I love what speedway's about and obviously I've had experience in the past driving the full ten sprint coffee. GW rising. And I'd love to do that again. You know I think when you look at the budget request quadros versus the budget to Rice. Sixth rises it's pretty affordable. You Know Ten grand would probably get you into a coffee six races this I I have to keep my sponsorship hunting guy but Yeah I'd love to Rice in the spring at At toowoomba and end at Brisbane had to trek from as not as Nassir. When you don't know what you're doing like I am like finally done six rises in these caused but get to where I love that track and it's fast and flying doing so the ten second times they? I think my last time I was there got a personal best time of eleven point. One second in some trying to crack the ten Yeah I would really much love to rice alongside. GW racing again and and I paid a lack is from what I've heard is taking a step step back and getting into more of a management role that same sort of similar to what Todd Kelly's done this year if for Kelly racing Yeah it's a rice spring car again and I think has a lot of benefits that keeps you pretty shop. You got nine hundred horsepower. You're on a slippery surface and and you got caught causing left and rotten islah jobs. It's it's pretty fun. I think it's an awesome form of sports to be involved in an at soda is up a bit rice in our our year long. Feels the same jumping something else. That's completely foreign to I would love to Rice's sprint car again. And it's definitely go for me just to keep shop fit and to continue you too. Have Fun and he sponsors out there getting contact you with the via socials. Yeah I would love that. It'd be great flogging but you never know like money's taught for everybody these days I understand but if they can then I it's. It's a pretty cool experience Gary all the very best for Christmas and New Year we look focusing you in two thousand twenty. G's love touch. Everyone Andrei and one percent performance group blog cliff in the background. Everyone's is going to be getting emotional with this loss. Rice ever taught hazelwood coming to the end of the second season. How do you sum up your position? Very good is smacked in the guts by Gary Jacobson Nas. But I'm not look second year in this in the guy who's really good for us I think You really for me. Felt like it was another fishy and I started having the same environment. Obviously but the challenge of understanding cow. I'm getting my saddle but proved its challenges but I think showing glimpses of spayed 'em am potential of what could have been achieved the second year end cy. If you're really plays have gone in and out of show what I can do off the track and on the track is is being placing. Did you realize the goals you set yourself. The beginning of the automated just want to have a consistent year and and be able to have migrants where I could shows to the Mangum Gore's at Mike Business and more capable of doing the job and I feel like I've been out achieved that all throughout the season. I was sitting Jerry a bit of a disappointment for us where we just didn't really get a result at all and ahead at championship. Set US but other than that. I think it's quite a solid year. We'd finished in the top fifteen at every ran up until Beth a so so I think for US small single saying that's A. That's a huge effort where you look at what the team. He's gearing up full. Hattie think they next step's GonNa go knowing doing the you're not part of it. An interesting phase for them. I'll see wish him all the best in hypoc guys really well for him because Being part of that family for a long time now and can I appreciate the work that they're going to be out full come next shelves expanded. Cows hyper guys. Well from what about yourself where we say you driving. I you see him on the grid. Nick shoot which is pleasing So yeah you know. As we've Lost Waco's I would think do unfortunate caught sight. See much as of right now but I'm really looking forward to the future and what lies ahead have a great Christmas Christmas and Hyping we're speaking to you about a new seat very soon. Yeah thank you very much appreciate. Thank you well. Sunday night you counsel. We're caught up with David. Kelsey hetty sum up. It's been a very very interesting challenge for you. Twenty nine hundred eighty yeah. It's been a very very challenging year. It hasn't probably one of our best use and for reasons some in Arkansas out of our control but look we fought to the end. And that's what these teams all about. Never giving up and prove that this weekend with two rice wins positions. And that's that's what makes this team. What is just when you think it's all over? He cut me with new era. Peggy tells has the planning and the the working through that yeah. That's right we we still prepping your car to go air testing The following week. So yeah they still Still a bit to do yet and hopefully we can do a better job of it this year. And make sure that next to you. We're not told me about some of the Hetty hetty balanced up going on now. I'm going to help them. Take this stuff out that I'm going to try and engineered by the end of the season. Look at the end of the die. this categories about aero poverty. It's not about coming out of the Air I test. We something that you shouldn't have it's about coming out of there with equal amount of downfalls equal amount of drag and Dan got into the race track and fading them with the tools that are available to that are available available to the teams to to get an advantage. And that's that's what we won't we won't era parody and we'll we'll sort out the best way to finish a years with the wind and that's exactly right we had Strong causal we can get I shine shine and both Jamie showed that all weekend in qualifying and racing so a very satisfying way to finish the not. We didn't get all the big accolades that we wanted. And that we we go writing about the end of the day. You know we come gated to win races. And that's what we did one thing you do. Is You brought in a lot of trick bit too long. I didn't share this year. Your you know your team has You'd have a stall steering wheels and all those sorts of things. What's it been like to be part of that process? It's been big for development. You know we were on the back foot early Fought against a very very fast car. so yeah. We were pushing out behind the scenes developing lots of bits. Some that you say that you don't see and You know I am very satisfied Although like I said before we didn't we didn't necessarily get all the big accolades that we want but But yeah it was was on a real a real challenge in a real battle and some way very enjoyable behind the scenes to have come a long way this year. We had a lot of talk about going from Double Holtz Doubleday a double spring dampers and and triple springs which he goes running back to the single spring. We're going to have all these sort of talk again. When we go to control troll damper which is one that you're not currently using? Yeah look they'll be some some more sort of differences Again with the control. dampers things that we can do. Did you see that we might not be able to do so. Yeah look it's just GonNa be another challenge every every every year is. There's there's no such thing as easy year in Motorsport well. There is Christmas Christmas and hopefully get a bit of a break around in. Everyone's looking forward to Tom. Yeah all the teams will be pretty bugged. Come they told me the side. Yeah everyone needs a break and come back fresh next to you. Debbie County or play. Catch Chase Nike after the break will become erect. Final thoughts on this week's inside CIPPICO's h wait. Joined the inside modest team. Is I look at all the news from across Australia. And around the world here in Formula Three. I think the fantastic environment may be doing away from the Dynamo career in such as fast. It's because an astrologer is taking targets. Were back in the first win. They're the PD doing inside noticeboard broadcast. Don't you really radio and online sport. RADIO DOT COM. Are you joining the conversation. Post your thoughts thoughts on our facebook page and ask a question. Email insiders at sport radio DOT COM dot AU supercars this is Ryan Story Story from DJ team. penske enjoyed show. Welcome back to inside Civic House. Next week we start on a series. It's well maybe annual event it certainly is a second nea. We've run a number of interviews with drivers fathers and Coa sits. They play a very large role because they are the ones the conduit to get the lead singer. And and in some cases lashes into MOTORACING and they're one of them the probably the one with the biggest accolade in that. He's two sons have have driven a considerable number times in Subic houses Richard Davidson. It was a wonderful chat. I had with him early this year. And he's got a very strong history st not only for himself his sons but of course his father and his grandfather caught extraordinary The the the pop of the Davison niners played Austrailia motorsports. So they'll look forward and that in coming weeks At after that will go to chat with Sam Davis Crawley. Who of course you know? He's a father of guilt. You slide father team Chris Quotas Cam's father and follow on for the in. The New Year will be wide McLaughlin. Who has been around the series for about the last six seven years along with these on as he's climbed the ranks and these are all the stories to Sir are interesting in their own right but given insight into the world of getting allowed through two fulltime motoracing so look forward to that in future far title thought mine would be rand social media? I've never been a great fan of it and I'm really pleased to say that the whole thing he's being drawn into question now. Not An in stride in Motorsport and soupy cows in particular but across the world with the many comments when I particularly equally locked was from Sessia Baron Cohen who has called into question the whole of the facebook instagram. Google and that I certainly believe firmly that we need to fix it up in our own doorstep in stride in Motorsport and make sure in the wider stacks stance of the world that we no longer have the height. That's being starting at the in. The white is an derogatory. Just even as not hateful. It's just the derogatory terms uh-huh and phrases too often done my keyboard warriors you done even but they naming say cry. My semi final thought. Not only for today's show but for the a year almost my attorney centers around methodist and reports. None speak put a report that they considering cutting the two hundred and fifty fifty kilometer rice and paps running it as To one to fives or variations. They're super twos. This is facilitators. Tao's I'd be disappointed. Say That happened. Obviously they looking at ways of bringing the cost standing soup to and there's gotta be some thought given to it because you need a peak crew you need a whole extra level of infrastructure and supports whilst I understand hand I could do it for cost cutting measures. I think it is the closest thing that the main guy the Super Two drives get to a main game Event with a pitstop and having to get through that aspect of rice thing which you don't get in a sprint round. I agree I'll have in fact. I had a conversation at some link. It was Thomas Randall. Who as you would remember? Followed ash walks many laps in his particular soup. It's a race on the Saturday at Bathurst. I and it was incredibly good training as a talked about For him getting ready to Rice in his first thousand kilometer rice and yeah it it obviously. He plays a wonderful pot in driver's education. Learning to pace yourself so a stint. And you're very right. I think that they they need to give real soldiers to possibly and probably retaining anyway. That will be enough this week on inside sippy cows. We look forward not tuning in to listen to our drives fathers until next week. It's not for me and good. Not from him inside. Supercars is produced by thunder media tune in next week for more sport. RADIO DOT COM dot A._U.. Or locking the podcast on itunes or mobile device search inside supercars.

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Wait, Are We Still Talking About Ice Cream?

The Dave Ryan Show

2:14:02 hr | 11 months ago

Wait, Are We Still Talking About Ice Cream?

"Would. Let's get this party role and Let's stop. Second, did you just call it a blank show? I did and I don't Todd Dave. You're jabbing so much to its. I didn't think that part, but I was thinking. I could change it to morning show if I wanted. Very very much you. Whether Jenny. What's your first song of the day? I decided to it when wonder so I'm going with back here by BB. Mak Let's do. Per Song of the day on, Haiti. Hope. You enjoyed your long holiday weekend. The weather is Kinda sketchy. It was Kinda hit and miss. It was better than we thought it was going to be you know. I think that's true. With some good afternoon. Weather on Saturday had good afternoon on Sunday. Good afternoon yesterday, and we're talking about all the things that you could go. Do like you know the things that were semi kind of opened? You could gather ten people, or or whatever We're going to talk to a restaurant owner here. A couple of Saints Game Marc Jacobs who wants to give his side. Side of the whole restaurant thing I saw little blog little video heated, and it's really interesting to get the restaurant People's perspective on that speaking of restaurants. Let me just tell you where I got the best pokey ball on Sunday. Night we ordered carry out at Maynard's over in Excelsior, and it was worth. It S Pokey Ball. Have ever had did not expect that no I thought crave had them? But I think mainers might have had on this one I'm not really sure. Genuine to stillwater over the weekend. This weekend did I I. Really didn't do a ton, but I did get out to so water. We went to Leo's, which is like a Burger moult kind of joints, and we got Minnesota ice cream, but we just walked around. It was kind of weird, though because it felt like a Wednesday afternoon, not a memorial weekend so water there was like no one out you saw like your old school cars driving around here and there, and that was like the most excitement happening in stillwater. went to Home Depot yes. Weekend I had to go to two different home. Depot's because I was looking for stuff because we're going to my wife's like. Let's do a raised garden bed, and I pull up to the Elk River One and everyone that wasn't at a cabin was at home depot, doing everything from they had doors. They are carrying out because they're doing home improvement projects. Dirt and everything and I couldn't even actually find half the things I needed at the one place. I had to go to the other home depot this time. Everybody's like okay. We're home. Let's do some projects. I read somewhere online. You know certain things that you should and should not do should hire an expert for certain things and from personal experience. I know that I can fix a toilet. Yup, I can fix it toilet. I need to hire anybody. I can hang a light fixture. However, prostate surgery is definitely something. I should have left to the experts. Don't wash your hands every and is not only that just I slipped up several times swat. Mirror with. What I looked like a surgeon to you, I thought that's what would it be if you're doing prostate surgery? Yeah, don't do that yourself now. Jenny were you out with the boyfriend this weekend I was yes, I was with him. Most of the admit what you told me. It. I can't believe you. Okay well I. Thought Maybe I would finally make the debut of his face on my weekend and five picks blog right so I go to play Sunday before we go to still water. Guy Looks like. We talked to him for the first time on Friday. Yeah, and I walk into his place, and I don't even recognize him. At first because he has shaved his facial hair off all gone. It's all gone. He looks probably a solid ten years younger than what he is and I just didn't want to take a picture and make that be the debut of him. Without the facial hair, so I did not take a picture with him, because he's just so much more attractive with facial hair and. Attractive? Without it. Could he have one of those full big ironic beards, one of the big ones like? Now like. No not like the brewing beer type of deal, but like it's a little more subtle. He had been rocking. mainly. A mustache would just like stubble. Dodger, but it's all gone and I just I. Don't think I've ever seen his upper lip before, and now I have, and it's not what I thought. It looks like. I. Just decided we'll hold off till he grows a little more facial hair to post the picture out women or Saint speaking of faces and things like that and looks. Women are saying that they don't have to wear makeup above their Mao above there. I've not below their knows anymore, so 'cause they're covered with a mask, and so they go out or go to a meeting or whatever I guess on zoom, maybe have to. Are you wearing make-up less than you did before Jenny. Not really because we still do pretty much everything normal with the morning show so I still wear the same amount of makeup every day. Okay Gotcha. We are here for all of this week. The rest of the week on Katie WB were actually talked to a guy is really interesting. His name is Marc Jacobs and somebody choice on instagram sent me a video blog of mark a restaurant owner. I think in Woodbury and maybe Golden Valley also, and he's basically saying hey, we gotta get back in Business and here's what we've done and blah. Blah Blah our restaurants not opening on June first. I'm a little confused on that. I that they were open for outside service, so there could be, and he could tell us for sure but I? What it was because that's the whole problem is how many restaurants have a big area outside? That's the thing. A lot of people just have like a little area or no area at all accessible right, especially downtown and I think there's a lot of if you I know this I know. There's a lot of people who listen to our show that are in the restaurant business that are either not working right now or working very little or cut back on their hours. mine for example Jenny view worked at BUBBA gump. Still which you used to, they wouldn't be open so if you are in the food service industry, check out what mark has had led to get your opinion on this. That's coming up in a couple of seconds on Katie WB. Also, because it's Monday, it's not Monday Tuesday new murder Monday on a Tuesday coming up. A few minutes you have, there's a story that has actually just this past march. The murder of the Lady of the lake and it is one where you think is going away and I promise you. It goes a totally different direction right if you're and did like the true crime, podcast and shows and things like that. We've got that for you texting his on. You need to reach us for anything. Shouted the Steve He says I. I drive a truck to deliver to hospitals. I listen to the show every day yesterday I put on another show by accident. That show is so dumb. They laugh at everything so glad you guys are back. Thanks Steve for doing what you do. If you're up early and you're working, you're back at work. We appreciate what you do, and if you're not working, we're here to kind of help. You forget things and make you smile. Smile and make better pick make feel good coming up on Katie me. We'll talk to mark restaurant owner to get his perspective, so if in the restaurant business don't move. We'll have him on an annual good morning. We love to eat I. Mean we're like you? We've love to eat. We put on the. What do they call it? The fifteen and I we do carry out and Carson Door Dash and and we really all. All love the restaurants and little hole in the wall restaurants, the big restaurants, the chains we love them all and I saw video the other day on Instagram, forgetting Marc Jacobs. He's a restaurant owner and I think he's in Woodbury, but I think he's got a couple of different stores around, and I thought Oh. This guy's very eloquent, and he puts everything very well from the restaurant owner's perspective, so I got a hold of mark. And I said Yo mark. Will you be on the radio? And he said who is, he did not and I see. What do you want kid? So? He agreed to be on the show to kind of give his perspective on things I really like the way he put it, and it made me think a little bit so on the phone right now I hope. Marc Jacobs Good Morning Sir. Good Morning. How are you guys? Thanks, you clarify for me. Mark you own a couple of restaurants in town or managing restaurants. So so we own it's my brother and I. We own rages grills in. Northeast Minneapolis, Woodbury and then we have shuler's golden values while okay, so basically in the video you're talking about how let me ask you this one on June first. Is Your restaurant going to be able to reopen or not? Reopen restaurants reopening limited Louis on June first. So yeah, so so we got outdoor seating. Only which is that was issues we weren't. We weren't expecting that in our issue. Is Our woodbury location at northeast? Minneapolis, Ham Patios but it wouldn't obviously work. size-wise are Golden Valley. Location has no patio. At the moment. We were fighting the battle. Check that thing. So. Are you planning on opening it all on June first? Yes Oh, the plan is as of now the city of Minneapolis and it would be working on. Kind of extended into the parking lot. I think quite a few restaurants in the twin cities are doing matt and then the Golden Valley location now The mayor's working on it for us. and trying to get some seating outside for red tape. 'cause I was thinking that it was. My first thought is that I was like okay. You don't have a very patio. Maybe there's a chance you could have your parking. Lot is a red state doesn't allow that. Well. Originally. I mean. If it was normal. Business. Times would not be able to do that. As soon as they came on, they said you know. We spoke to a couple of sitting members right away literally as the governor was speaking and giving us flail where we started talking to people and they they were like they were. GonNa work with US and so all three cities so far have given us already that pretty much. Go into the parking lot as much as we can. Get, a really good message that watched and I don't want to try to. You know retail his story. So what is your message that you wanted to get out to people and to the governor and to authorities about I mean about the restaurant business, and what you guys are going through right now. You know the most difficult part for us was when we went through everything two weeks ago. and this is not just from I mean this is every restaurant who had spoken to on the they posted videos, and all this as well as you know. We went and spent money trying to get a restaurant faith and we want to make sure that we're providing for customers estate experience providing staff. Will we are family with to be honest with you? Is there family to us, we? WanNa. WanNa. Make sure everybody is healthy. Coming in safely, you know maps gloves whatever needed to make sure that we are taking care of you know we've had barriers that are being built distancing tables, and all that and You know to be hit with outdoor. Only it was it was. It was quite difficult for us, and then to see you know like I know Jenny said she wants to stillwater this past weekend. You know we we we went on. We went to saint cried and we. Pulled into Wisconsin and to see what Wisconsin is getting from Minnesota Right now eight. It's crazy to see the numbers. They're getting over. Memorial Day weekend, so people are. Starting to repeal or then flocking across the border to Wisconsin, because restaurants are more open over there, yeah, yeah, it was crazy. Know like like you know genocide of well. It's still out ghost town this weekend and you go right across the border and you see I mean these these bars are crazy, but it's like you know we wanna make sure we're safe here and we want to make sure we weren't expecting to open full full on. I can tell you every restaurants where I was like our goal with twenty five percent or fifty percent that was really our goal tried to just to show people what we can do, and what we can prove in control sakes. So what capacity does arrest of the average restaurant? Can they obviously if they open at ten percent capacity? That's not going to be able to pay the bills and pay the staff so twenty five fifty percent would be more manageable. And well we well, we're expecting. We're not expecting curbside to go anywhere I. Mean we've got. We've got curbside just order I mean we're. We're expecting. We've been telling our staff. Starting training today with our staff at locations is where we're expecting curbside to be there for another. I would say at least another year Reno, but I mean we. We gotta get phased one in. We've definitely the P. P. loans that are the government. government won't get an eight weeks to to use up the money which is at this point is it's impossible to even closed this whole time. He had all this money that they gave you. Because that like so you can keep the business going, but then you have to actually use it cracked like and then or or that's that waits for forgiven correct. It's two and a half months according to your twenty, nineteen been two and a half months of payroll. You have to US seventy five percent of it up in eight weeks, but I mean we're not. We're not even close to full staff right now. We're trying to bring back as much as we can, but our staff needs to make money as well which has been. It's been really great with the amount of support you get from the community. People are tipping great that are coming out there doing the curbside. They're keeping their keeping rolling. You know thankfully, but you know I mean how how long can you know? How long can we? How long gotTa be alone? I mean it's pretty much gone. Talking to Marc Jacobs is a restaurant owner of a couple of restaurants including rage, as and somebody just texted me, they said all mg rage as has the best chicken wings ever is data fat. Would you say market? I would have to say that as a fast. Okay good. I've they given you any idea? Mark is when you can open up indoors for you know limited capacity. Is there any date set for that? No, you don't honestly. We're we're kind of preparing for now that so this is a big curveball and we all. We all supported and we want WanNa. We want to do that. I would assume I would assume probably going to be about two weeks after June I I mean I, think he's GonNa. I think governor was going to have to make a move, and because we're obviously, there's a lot of pressure at this point from us, and there's GonNa be a lot of restaurants. Unfortunately, there aren't gonNA survive this and they've already. You've already gotten the message from quite. Quite a few my God yeah. We heard of Luna closed down, was it moose eighties closed down. Probably some that people don't talk about quite as much that have also closed down. Hey, mark, thanks for air on your side of it. You know what there's always you know. There's a counterpoint to every point but I think he made a very good point, and we'd love to see you guys thing and come back inside and enjoy dinner safely. And I hope that everything works out for you and your staff and thanks for your Aaron your side of it, mark, Thank you guys for having absolutely flag your restaurants. One more time rage as and Reggie's Shuler's tavern, golden back very cool market lock. We'll try. We'll stay in touch things going. If you if you have any points about that, then send me a text at Katie WB one, five, three, ninety one. Maybe you want to say Oh, yeah, we forgot to mention this or he's wrong about this. Hey, you know what? It's an open discussion so and even taxes anytime Acadian. Wb One, five, three, nine, two, one, coming up in a couple of seconds I gotTa Make Donald's training video called the clean it that parodies beat it, and it's a training video by gleaning about cleaning all. It's called. Clean it instead of beat it. I got that for you. Also sleep. Gomez has a message to graduates from. immigrant families and Jaylo on some benefits of being quarantined all coming up on Dave sturt crunchy today by country hearth bread sat. This is McDonald's training video. That is you know training people to clean, but it's not called clean be it's it's called cleaner to the tune of beat it. Check it out. A. Doesn't. Take the million. Spurs! Teen. Okay now see. The video became picturing somebody like McDonald's gear and they're like little spray bottle. Wipe everything down. They're using the room as a microphone stands, and they're dancing with it i. it is the video anywhere we. Training out Dave Ryan Dot Com. Check this out There's really there's a couple of cool. Really cool graduation ideas that I saw we talked about a week or two ago where the graduates road up on a ski lift to the top of a mountain got diploma then rode back down the. coolest one that I saw I think took place in Phoenix and they should do this down at Elko speedway. The graduates lined up in their cars and drove over the finish line to get their diploma at a speedway and Phoenix that cool. Very cool is all great till Philip Gunda about one hundred seventy miles an hour at his dad's SUV. Funny car the principal. That's really cool. You know what I would call. If you are yeah, graduated this year I would call Elko and say hey. I get an idea. See if that works out. Speaking of graduations. This is Selena Gomez. Message to graduates from immigrant families those. The immigrants I want you guys to know that you matter and experiences are a huge part of the American story I'm a proud third generation, American Mexican and my family's dirty and their sacrifices helped. Get me where I am today so regardless of where your family's from regardless of your immigration status you have taken action to earn an education to make your family's proud into open up your worlds, so I'm sending all of my love to you guys, today and congratulations I hope that you guys are set off to be everything that you want to be. that is kind of cool speaking of something. Remind me this of school on our absolutely Minnesota's segment coming up at eight o'clock or so this morning. Are we talking to the kid who's eleven years old? Yup, and just like graduated with a math degree, and he graduated from Norman Dale and believe he's going onto University of Minnesota in the fall. We have to ask him for his doctor. I don't know but. He's a kid loves numbers, and he is amazing I. Guess Re to Elliott. Who went to normal eleven years old and got a degree in mathematics. It's crazy. That's coming up in a couple of minutes also at eight o'clock this morning. We're doing birthdays because you know. Birthdays are a little bit better. When you can hear your name on the radio. Get a little shout outs, not gonNA. Make it back to normal. It's not like you got your party back down to chucky cheese richer local bar whatever but you get a little shout on the radio. If you know somebody's a birthday today, then send me a quick tax with how old. Old They are and your name and their name, or if it's for you than just send me, hey, it's my birthday and here's my name and here's how old text to k., D. WB one. That's short code, five, three, nine, one and Jaylo some benefits from being quarantined. Here's Jaylo. We've been making the best of it. There's been some really scary anxiety. Fill time you know uncertainty on that, but I'm also realizing a lot of things you know. I'm realizing you know what I mean. Call my mom every day. Need to call her every day. Even when this is over, because I've been speaking to her every single day and This is over, and we get back to work. Whatever that new normal is. I want to keep that going? We set a time. We're like every night at seven thirty was sitting down. We're having dinner and I was like you know there's certain things that. I've discovered during this time that I definitely want to keep going so in that sense. It's a blessed. I get that I. Think People are spending obviously a lot more time together. Jennifer have you called your mom lately? I have not call her, but she did. Call me yesterday. Because unfortunately she fell in our pool and dropped her phone in there with their her. Sophie like somehow facetime me on messenger something i. don't even know. It wasn't on her phone, so we did talk. I'm not sure yet. She was asking me for any tips and I'm like I don't know does putting in a bag rice store? I'm like I think that people still do that, but I'll also. A lot of phones are water resistant. When you say your mom fell in her pool that means she was walking in the shallow end with it, or she was walking by phone in one hand and natty light the other hand. My mom is not a drinker I. Don't know where I get my drinking skills from. It's definitely not from her, but no. She was cleaning the pool out, and she was talking on the phone, and she just fell off the deck in foul right and so. Drum all right. This is a there's a meteorologists on a New York. Station is names Matt, Brickman, but he used to work here. O. Channel Four, right? Yes, with practice. He's doing the weather and his son won't stop interrupting his segment because like everybody else. They're doing the weather from home. Here is a clip of the starts, okay? Hold on one second this, let me do this. They. Send arranged. You don't need rain boots now. Can. Fine. Okay honey one second. I'll be right there. On lunch on. Say when rain's coming, so he put on Ringo's. Doral and finally remembered the song from the eighties, Fab from. Take on me here. It is being played on a washing machine at two guys played sound effects from the washing machine. Here is take on me on a washing machine. I that I have to video I'll put my Daveramsey. DOT, com. This is this I got a new name that I think the first person to coin. This word born nineteen so in other words. You're so born that you're doing crap that you would have never thought to do before so I, think we should start something on twitter Hashtag, boring teen, but then how would it be spelled B. O. R. E. A. N.? T. I. Any. Teen Hashtag bore because it looks like borey eighteen I feel like it has a strata. Be Boring with teen on the at bring team, but I get what you're saying. It doesn't really roll off the tongue way. Are I n teen with Woodwork theat. Man Into it all right last call birthdays. Birthday's coming up in about twenty minutes or so get a birthday. Shout out here on Katie WB, make sure text the person and say hey, listen to Katie at eight o'clock those on for you text me birthday and workday person their name, their age, their city, their occupation I. don't care whatever you wanna tax to Katie WB one. That's five, three, nine, two one. We during murder Monday in a minute. Murder Monday on a Tuesday is coming up next. Killing of the Lady of the lake. Right sounds like a good one. We'll do it next. Radio true crime, the defraying shows murder Monday. Hi, this is Steve, and this is called the murder of the Lady of the lake. On the border of the State Line Between Arkansas Tennessee a few hours from Memphis. Historic three story, six thousand square foot home perched on the banks of Arkansas Horseshoe. Lake the home is called Snowden House and lays the land that was once a rich cotton plantation. Snowden family is known as an influential family. The has deep roots in the south. Robert Snowden was a colonel in the civil war who served directly under Robert e Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and after the war was known for helping form the city of Memphis to what it is today. Another member of the same family is also famous for being an owner of the famous peabody hotel. snowden houses known around the area, not just for its beauty, but for its notoriety, the grand white columned manner was used in the nineteen ninety four film, The client starring Susan. Sarandon Tommy Lee Jones. Today's. Barney Liar. Four Percent Herod's then high you only. Two years later all the good family fortune. Turned into tragedy. In nineteen, ninety, six, just a few hundred feet away from the main snowden house on one of the other out homes, lived one of the families, many daughters, seventy five year old, Sally Snowden McKay, and by that time. McKay had turned the property into exclusive bed and breakfast live family members, owning bits and pieces of property, and of course the prophets, but then tragedy struck in September. When seventy five year old, Sally entered her home with her fifty two year old nephew, they were surprised by an intruder who shot and killed the to. Set The house on fire and fled. The killer was a seventeen year old boy whose family lived on Snowden property. His name was Travis Lewis. He claimed that he wasn't the one who shot the two, but pled guilty, and was sentenced to twenty eight and a half years in prison. The tragedy still wound. Then in two thousand four sally. McKay's daughter Martha. One of ten grandchildren bought the home and land from family members with the goal of reading the home back to being one of the region's most impressive properties. The home was updated while keeping its charm and continuing to be a thriving bed and breakfast and eventually wedding venue Martha also discussed selling the property which she lived in. She had already began selling some of the family's property and was maybe ready to sell the home in two thousand fifteen, mentioning that she was considering selling the home for a bit over a million dollars. Then just a few months ago on March Twenty Fifth Twenty twenty. Police responded to a report to the silent alarm coming from the SNOWDEN home. Lease arrived. They found the house's back door open. They walked. Martha McKay was dead. And killer. was still in the house. Get ready for. Twist Than Fiction next true crime stories, the DIV Roy and Joe's murder Monday. Martha K loved Snowden House. The Grand Nineteen thousand nine hundred family estate. She owned on Horseshoe. Lake at Arkansas just a few hours from Memphis. She'd restored and reopened it as an upscale bed and breakfast. Twenty three years earlier, tragedy had struck the property when her mother and cousin Mervyn. And all this time later. Mark McKay who was lovingly called the lady the lake. Instead. It's March. Twenty Fifth Twenty twenty one asylum alert at the home sounded. Police arrived at the scene to find her bloody body at the top of the stairs rapid blanket. cleese than her as come from a room and saw man jump out of an upstairs window. And run across the property his car. Jumped in. Vehicle got stuck. So? The man jumped from the vehicle. Into Horseshoe Lake. He never came back. Hours, later Arkansas the. Pull the man's body out of Lake and more surprise they found. It was a thirty nine year old man with a history. It was Travis Lewis. The man who, at seventeen years old, killed Martha McKay's mother and cousin and now. Twenty years later. Still Martha. Martha was known to be a forgiving woman, and was set to have befriended Travis Lewis while he was in jail and when he was released on early parole in twenty eighteen. Martha quietly gave him a job doing work on the property, his mother. Had always worked on that property, and so it just seemed to make sense. But. Before her death. Martha fired. Why Based on Martha's diaries drivers. His mother actually warned Martha about her son and said that she was worried that he was going bad again and. Martha also had sold a chandelier for ten thousand dollars in cash which she stashed in the house. And Travis just happened to be there that day. and. Shortly thereafter, the money disappeared. When that happened? Martha fired Travis. What police will never know is if Travis plan to kill Mark McKay that day or a few is there just to rob the house once again? Either way. Lady of the lake is now gone snowed in house is now for sale for two point two. Million Dollars. This is murder Monday. You could find out more about this case online right now at Dave Ryan Show Dot com, he Sivo and make sure to subscribe to murder Monday on Itunes iheartradio. Shows. Let me get this right, so this woman's mother was killed by this guy. He went to prison for twenty years. He gets out. She's like I forgive you I'm going to hire you to do odd jobs around. The House gave him when he was in prison Oh. Yeah, exactly! And they did a toxicology on, and he had like a weed and math and cocaine in his system. Oh yeah, forgave him hired him than she fired in once. He stole ten thousand dollars from her. And then he was breaking into a house. Probably still the ten dollars deal something else because there was i. didn't I didn't say but there was like a bag at the top of the stairs Barbati the had like a bloody knife in it, and like something else from the House Sudani Killed The mom and her mom's friend, and but then twenty years later killed her daughter Yeah and then he jumped in a lake and drowned Yup. Yup We should would have jumped in a lake and drowned like twenty five minutes ago. That's the wrong way. He should jump into like I saw no kidding. Good murder Monday. Check out more on Dave Ryan Show Dot Com keyword. Stevo DR weakened in five photos every weekend and my minor special this week and you want to know. I saw Dave and I am I moved I put in water filter Animal Jenny. They're all they're all average. Typical Pictures Newark, but I put the filter on with the with the monochrome or the black and white and. Wipe it all the way over and got the noir so check. Those out seems much more dramatic. They're like taking in the olden days almost. Yeah, Dave I'm digging this I. Feel like you're becoming VISCO girl. You turn and becoming an instagram model as well. I think I think you do this potential here Dave. Thanks so much What was it? What's in your weekend? Five photos Jenny. What you put in there and not a ton I got caught in the rain working out on. Saturday and I've tried to continue to work out, and then I took A. A video of myself and I had an umbrella over my cameras to save it, but then he just started down pouring, and there was no saving anything I had out in the open, so then I ran to my car, and so I did take like a screen shot of the video, so it's kind of blurry other than that. There's nothing too exciting. It makes me want to check it out, yeah! I think that I have the prettiest picture of our front yard that you've ever seen. It's something out of home and Garden magazine. It's it looks like an oasis, but it's in our front yard and you can do it too, and that's one of the pictures I. Have a my we five pictures. Home and Garden magazine that good. Yes, look at picture jetty, and then you'll get back to being go. You're right Steve. Is that good? I don't know about that. I'm tempted to go check that out. It's on our Dave Ryan show dot com under each of our personal blogs weakened five photos. Hey, a lot of people talking about restaurants reopening opening carry out curbside. That type of thing so we're GONNA. Do the restaurant carry out? Out Price His right. Here's the way it works. If you win and you plan you win. You get a tip Ado which let me tell you something we have not been able to. People's in stock. Go nonstop I, had Carson making him the other day, and he made probably about one hundred of them, and we've only got a few left, and then every time they sell out. We order more parts for so you want to get one. Get One I know that you were busy because I saw your hand earlier and it looked like a claw, because he just all the little nitpicky things. You have to do to make this clip Ado right so if you want to get one carrier Poop, call me out a win on. We'll get to. People will go head to head on restaurant prices. Right? I'M GONNA play with right now as an example round so Steve's GonNa give us an item from carry out from a restaurant. We're going to have to price it. Okay here we go. Let's we're going to go somewhere. Really Really Nice Johnny, go to Maynard's. That sounds. FIVESTARSOAP. You're getting a firecracker shrimp. You're getting Mr. Jimmy Burger which is ground, shock Cheddar and American cheese fried onion, lettuce, tomato, and special sauce served with chips, and you're also getting key lime pie. What is the takeout price from Maynard's and Excelsior Jimmy? Go I, say thirty five. Dollars one dollar, Steve. Jennings over his closest. It's thirty two four data. Strategy all right, so we'll give Jenny can get on the phone with people to call the win a clip. Do six five, one nine eight nine K.. D. WB other on with you Dave. If you want me to ready to play, okay here, we go out. Let's stay at a Maynard's and excelsior I have chicken strips with ranch, barbecue or honey mustard. Okay, so you get to pick, and then also you're going to up the order. You're also GONNA. Get waffle fries instead of. A best, so you're upgrading. That's I can't tell you how much that cost punt. It's extra money. What is the Maynard's price on that eighteen dollars and thirty four cents? Steve you're way over day. Really Yeah, it's well ninety five. Are you kidding? Chicken Strips and Waffle fries had ninety five, the chicken strips, and then a two dollar for the bonus and. And I've been on the phone. Okay? By the way shoutout speaking, carry outed Maynard's. We did carry out on Sunday night and I think Carson got the wings, and then I got the Susan I got the Pokey Ball. Best Pokey ball of ever had shout out to the kitchen staff over at Maynard's excelsior. They got what have been able to I, believe. Rogers Okay Gotcha. Day's coming up in a second still squeezing your last minute. Birthdays at Katie WB one, five, three, nine, two, one I, though got a couple of people on the phone hopefully to play, carry out prices right Jordan in waverly, Jordan and good morning. How are you? I'm dead. You're driving our. Jordan I am yet. Where are you headed to work going down to the Costco? He'd been working through this whole thing. Okay thanks for doing what you do, have an opponent on the phone to you. I guess I do I. Have Josh at Rogers Jordan Good Morning Josh. How're you doing good work today? Josh I'm waiting in the car for my boss to get out of the meeting. Okay okay. We'll try keep you occupied while you're waiting here, we go. Jordan you'RE GONNA. Go first here is your first item. CARRY OUT PRICES RIGHT? Come closest to the actual price without going over and win a clip ado here. We go, okay, WE'RE GONNA go to Al Loro Mexican restaurant in Burnsville for takeout. We're getting Jimmy Chunga, which is to flour Tortillas, deep, fried and filled with your choice of beef, tips or chicken, Rice or beans. We're going to go chicken A. we're also going to get chicken tortilla soup and we're GONNA. Get Chapel late cheese dip with chips. What is the price for that from O. Mexican, restaurant and Burnsville Jordan, what do you bid? Twenty one. Okay, Josh. Own. I'M GONNA go for about three dollars three dollars. Okay, okay well I think actually, Jordan. You're close. The actual retail price is twenty eight, sixty, three, oh. Yeah, OH, yeah! She Wins Yeah Okay. Okay Ron one the round one we're GONNA do two to three. You guys. Do you have a Dog Josh? I do not have a dog. I got a cat named Carl okay perfect. What a great cat! NAMED ELEVEN! All Right! Do you dog Jordan? Selah. All right win this Stella. Here we go round to. Did nothing by the way this is from the restaurant. Walk at the park in St. Louis Park. You're going to get a lettuce wraps as the appetizer chicken water chestnuts should talk you mushrooms and more, you're also getting a small edge, drop soup and getting the chicken low main, which is ignored pods, carrots bamboo shoots. Bean sprouts and onions. What is the price for this from walk in the Park Josh your I I'm. Thirty four dollars and fifty cents Okay Jordan. Act Thirty four take you. All thirty four dollars. Over okay. Go again both. Go again. Josh Your I. I'm going twenty six dollars and two cents. Jordan. Dollars Twenty seven dollars is close to the actual. Retail price is thirty two ninety seven. Josh. Lovely parting gifts. To. Shorten your the way it makes sense. The Jordan wins because she's the one with the dog. Anyway, so we'll hold on John. Hold get you. Have a good day, Josh. To go okay. Sounds like the guy who takes us Kaffir Joaquin thing yeah. To use the clipper due still. I've seen my neighbors do that. They put their cat on a heart and take a walk the funniest thing ever. Yeah, all right. Let's do some birthday on Katie WBZ, here we go. Let's see we got Zoe Rochester is ten happy double digit birthday, sweet girl from Daddy Mommy, Violet and Maya Love You so much Aka, and Woodbury is six years old. Happy Birthday to my nephew, McKay loved you so much birthdays we've got see here. We've got a bunch of them by the way including anniversary Tony from northeast Truscott Yep he's got a birthday to got an anniversary today and right now. My computer is not being my friends. I'm going to try my best. Do these guys go Tina and Sarah James Birthday yesterday? Happy Eighth Birthday to our daughter Hannah from goodhew. Mom and Dad love you so much eighth anniversary from Tony in northeast, happy twelve birthday, Lexi, my sweet daughter from Circle Pines, Love Your Mom and Dad. Happy Birthday Lynn from Bald Wisconsin. love you from your favorite daughter. Hannah couple of more as I scroll through here. Happy Thirty Fourth Birthday Joe and Hannah. Love You Melissa in Brooklyn Center Ninth Sobriety Birthday. Happy Birthday to me and happy birthday to my mom Marnie from your son Donovan I would say her age, but she would kill me. She would happy birthday. Libby is forty one years old from heavy forty, the forty fifth to Scott Love. You Mr is my brother's birthday today. Heavy thirty Fifth Birthday John Love Two percent Lucy and bugs also. Blake has got a big birthday today. He's fourteen years old day. And that I'm proud of him and that would greatly. Glove from his mom and there you go celebrity birthdays today. I'm going to name a birthday. Tell you tell me how old they are. Yup Right Stevie. Nicks Stevie Nicks today get says she's sixty six years old civic seventy two years layoff Lenny Kravitz got a birthday howled one fifty six today. I'm just guessing low and everything Matt Stone. Creator of South Park, he's four. He's fifty is close. Forty nine Lauren Hill is She's forty seven. She was in the Fuji's with WHO's The guy that we had come on and sing with Lena Y. Whitecliffe came in and he was. He was the band with her. He said she is like certified crazy. That's what he said. That's not me. and Brandy Cyrus Majlis. Less famous older sister is twenty nine. I forgive you for not knowing because I've never even heard my brand brandy, Cyrus, be honest with you. She is thirty three years old today. doing birthdays every day. because make it a little more special during quarantine. If you WANNA, Texas one or better yet go online Dave Ryan show dot com. Fill out the form and we'll do birthday. Shout on the day of the birthday, K.. We're doing a new bid on the show. It's called something to look forward to. So. We say that in quarantine like you know. We can't really go on vacations. Even though some people are friend of mine, my trainer Brent Went Colorado and South Dakota see and other something to look forward to. We're kind of coming out of some of the weeds on this, but we're going to give you something to look forward to every day on the show. Is it going to be at eight twenty every day? We know we talked about kind of switch up. Just because we have a lot of different things that we do, so we're kinda throat in all replace. Okay, so we do have something to look forward to at eight twenty. When I tell you that what does that even mean well? It could be a special song. It could be a special interview. Be a special game giveaway. You never know what it is, but it's something to look forward to at eight twenty, so if you gotta step away from your phone and you get a step away, radio be back at eight twenty four something to look forward to. Let's play quick song. We haven't talked to a kid from of the. We've found a kid whose name is. Who is more impressive than the three of us put together when we were eleven years old. GonNa talk to Elliot about the amazing thing that they have done and are doing at eleven years old, coming up next on absolutely Minnesota on one zero one point three Katie Wbz high school yeah high school. Was So long ago. You know I can barely even remember graduating. I suppose that's mostly because. Well never lack math and I didn't like it so I go to North town and drink afford it with my buddy. I thought school with just a pain in the neck so I learned a role the do Banal. Jack. Graduated quite a while ago and I'm in charge a hammer down at home depot and I can't afford to get my missing tooth fixed I drive driving a the Arrow nine, hundred eighty six. My, mom. My Dad did to to make me graduate and enroll that the you but. Just pretended that I was dead. Set on the couch, watching WWF and lots of. Gaza the mall where my life for just one big Buddha, a car, but I wish listen that or more in school than would be the one cleaning the room. And this is what feels by. My Own. I wouldn't. That Tony Rav. Hi Word Know, so, while if by to dry snow well, you know I didn't graduate from High School, but I think that learning stuff is really overrated. I got a good job in. You know benefits or Hello, Domino's pizza. Have you heard about our topping special? Well did okay got an a an art which qualifies made agreed out. I might have been lawyer or I might have been a cop, not a hooker working at the bus stop. Everybody know that I. was the Bob But ten years later I'm still living with my mom and I sometimes have the swallow my pride. I sometimes wish I had a double y. What it feels like. By Ed UK. I wish I was and insanity. To. Now Of Salaries. What? He did. Just sat in on the. Game show now work at leave. Qualify to be a D. J. and I. Staff. School, Sh more dude, you know people depend on me in the math and history and Algebra when you. We're. GonNa use that stuff. Janitor? Thorough. Time to fight the battle against kitty vomit. This This is the Dave. Ryan show on one. Oh one point three Katie wbz. And here's a story. That's absolutely Minnesota. That's Yeah I love. The story I saw this over the weekend, and I give credit to all the news outlets that covered it I because I saw on think CBS News Dot Com. And there is a an eleven year old kid. That is going to just graduated with an associate's degree in mathematics at norm, nail and I saw this kid I'm like we want to talk to. His Mom or dad see if we can get Elliot on the show. Welcome to the Dave Ryan in the morning show eleven year old by that smart genius. Kid Elliott and good Morning Elliot. How are you? Pay thanks for being on the show Elliot. What what age were you when you started to get a love for math like you have? Well. I think that. Non Issue, but by one house I was staying to weed and I believe around that time I started. Carrying around like love, letter and number love to liking small plastic figures in the sheep, those different characters. Okay, cool, so you had a love number did I hear also that you learn Swedish just for the fun of it when you were less than five years old. War. Now Elliott. When you graduate, tell me about your degree in your experience over at Normandy. Del was weird going to Norman. Dale College with all these old people. Well, Like I, I would go weird at the stars every semester with everyone thinking. Hey, who is it kid kidding? Someone just classes parents. Eventually just. Just kind of like a twenty year old I fit in like one. So. You can discuss I mean you could sit there and hold conversation with a twenty year old at Norman Dale. While you're on breaker at lunch or whatever and talk about things like that. A twenty year old would talk about like math and adult stuff. Four that is amazing. What you love so much about math because Elliott other certain people that struggle with math I was never good at math I tested into what they called developmental math I went to pikes peak. Have you heard of pikes? Peak community college before Elliott is the Harvard of the rockies. Actually. Yeah, that's. What is it about math? Can you describe what that what you love about math so much? It always looks like clockwork. Every time you do something, it always turns out exactly the things you can predict what happens next in math, and but for subjects like chemistry and biology can't do that. That's also why like physics. Oh, because there's always an answer I mean. If you have a problem, there's always one answering. It's there's only one answer in math. Is that right? Well technically they're to me to more. Actively Paulino meal then acquainted the fundamental field of. You're always have and season. I was just GonNa. Say that myself. Elliott I like their brag. I Know Pie till about the tenth place. Who what place? How far do you know pie? About thirtieth. I like top of your head. Ninety six. I think he's an excuse to. Every Zero, two, one, nine, seven, zero, six, nine, three, nine, nine, five or something. I just I just google that he nailed. Eliot what you know with all this. You know what I hope. You still get to do kid stuff and you know you know like. Do you know run through the Spring and do all the DEA still do a lot of kids stuff elliott. But I always try to be safe while day for example. I don't like to like. Go on fast moving objects where I can easily fall Austin like this single for able I'm really terrifying and. I'm and I also developed this. He'll bicycles at the event. What happened? If not like any of those. Just as they always got off the close, Yeah. I went there I know Elliot it's scary. People are always careless with those electric scooter. Yeah, that's true. That's injured all the time. Well, you know, be careful where helmet Elliot. What do you plan on doing this now that you've graduated from Norman Dale with this is if you just turn your one. We're talking to Elliott Elliott, has eleven years old graduated with a degree in mathematics from Norman Dale what do you plan to do in the fall and in the future? What does the future hold for you Elliott? Well I'm hoping that this semester. Back to in person classes because I really miss those. and. It's also going to be really convenient, because all my classes are in your team kind of building. Right, is that correct? Right and then. Like physics class which I'm really excited for quantum physics. And the Grass Tyson is that cool? War Yes see genuine to the U. Them. She never even saw the physics building. So true. Elliott I have a question for you. Though because you're talking about science and stuff, do you like the mathematical part of Science, or do you actually like science in itself? Because I actually really liked math, myself I hated science though. Now? Or Science because. It feels like it just gives it even what uses all aid hat? Very interesting as a career. I mean you've got so many options at at eleven years old with the path you're on, you can do anything you want. Don't become a DJ on the radio. You promised me Elliott. I promise. You? I mean you've got so many options and you can change your mind down the road, but right now today. What do you think you WanNa do when you're twenty five years old? Long things either become a fixer mass effective, a mathematician or theoretical food S. Okay that is so impressive, so impressive Elliott going to give a shout out to your mom and dad has they have raised a great kid, and also shot at you Elliott for just like inspiring us an amazing us. So what are you doing the rest the summer? Elliott you hanging out or you playing switch? Or what are you doing this this summer? which are both correct and also trying to keep in touch with my friends, too? And I asked. What like about two and a half megabytes worth of my bookshelves so that? CAN YOU GET A lot? Of Busy Eliot thanks for taking time to talk to us and. Good luck in the future and we'll be watching to see what you do okay. You are more than welcome. Have a good day, Elliott. You know you, too can learn something from the eloquence of this kid I talked to you to sound like you're both half in the bag half the time. You don't answer your. Daughter. Red Wine last night white wine. For the Booze and I did it what to say to Elliott. I'd be like man. What's the trick? You'd like my ten year old? Actually focus like that and I know that that's like a weird question. Ask ten-year-old, but you look at something like that. You're like that's someone who did he naturally do it or I think he gonNa Natural He's got a Web page and I'm looking at all of his accomplishments if you look. Look Elliott Tanner. I think he's had his own web page has got all of his accomplishments on there and I think he's. He rolled over at four weeks old, and then started walking at seven months or says I word at seven months, so he has been doing a lot of stuff at a very early age. Thanks again Elliott for being on the show coming up. We're promising you every morning something to. To look forward to and I've got something. It's a surprise coming up next. We're doing something kind of cool that we thought you know. People say there's there's nothing to look forward to I'm GonNa tell you I loved this weekend. This weekend was so great, and even with the weather being a little bit sketchy I was like I last week. Just like you were really looking forward to the long weekend did. Did everything from ride. The motorcycle we wrote down to Henderson some. What are you always see in a small town Jenny from small town Fonda lack not in real small. What are you always see in a small town? A hole in the wall by you always see that, but let's say you're sitting on the bench in front of the hole in the wall barn. A guy comes by on a what. UNICYCLE DON'T LAWNMOWER One More LAWNMOWER, tractor or four wheeler. Sure enough. We're sitting on the front porch of the roadhouse. illegally drinking of course. There was a cop right across the street and he didn't even look at Cross and bat an eye so i. feel like we're all living in LAS. Vegas rules right now I. Don't think the care because we brought our own beer down than the strangers I had to buy a six pack of beer to get Boba. You want one and I'm like. Yeah, so there. We are illegally drinking on. On the sidewalk in front of the Road House across the street cop. Now I don't WanNa. Get anybody to trouble so I could have made the story up or maybe I didn't, but they batted an eye, and there's a forceful of people with a beer in their hand. Right across the street. The Guy Comes by a lawn mower, or it was a tractor for wheeler, and I'm like I got. Got To get a picture that is my weakened and five pictures, so check that out We also get a couple of birthdays to do before we give you something to look forward to. We're doing this every morning. Something to look forward to do that. Next birthday somebody turned a big four zero yesterday. That is Mona. She is forty yesterday and Happy Birthday Vanessa from your salvos team and And, also here kwb something to look forward to every morning on the show it can be an old interview can be a classic song. It can be a throwback and be a big prize. It can be anything, but it's something to look forward to stay to put together a jingle for a whole day. Actually Dead D. would you like to hear love to hear this? Okay? Here we go. Half. Having something politics. To. Do. All right, let's do it. This is a classic prank. We played on Falun. We had Nick Jonas on the phone and then Nick Jonas found out that he was talking to fallon from Katie and nick doesn't like her because she insulted him on the radio. Well, the whole thing was made up. It wasn't even Nick Jonas, so as you listen to this interview. It's a guy that doesn't even sound like Nick. Jonas but fallon really thought it was here's. What went down on something to look forward to on Katie, WBZ. Okay, because this is a big deal. We are privileged to have our boy Nick Jonas on the phone and Nick Jonas. There's a rumor that Nick Jonas might become a town soon for special Katie. WBZ little concern so were talking to nick. Jonas and I think as soon as they put him on hold, I will pick him up and we'll be read tacos ready then Yep hello. Nick Jonas. Good you know what I was? Just thinking of but we're going to talk about your new music second, but I was thinking about how last month I saw you in New York you out there for the big IHEART meeting and we're listening to all kinds of different artists and you play that show under the bridge. Obviously you remember that. The Best Time I love performing in New York the best place to do it. Wear I was GONNA. Ask you when you're touring. Are there cities that you look forward to going to? Or are there cities up? You're like Oh. God I want to Cleveland again. You've land. Up I really do enjoy New York I. Think it's got a great energy to it. You know really is the city that never sleeps the best time when I'm there. Do you get to the point sometimes where where as an artist you're on stage, and you're doing a show and you can't remember where you are. Have you ever shout out like would up Atlanta and it gets real quiet because you're in spokane has ever happened. It definitely happened. I'm not at liberty to discuss all the details. Days We also know. The Fallon about your new song. You got the name of the new song Okay Fallon called. What is it find you okay, and this is the I. Mean you've you're? You're great songwriter and you WANNA talk about. Jeremy Microphones on I'll be honest with you. Can you. Fallon! Yeah I'm sorry. Her name is salad. Fallon, Yelich, Jimmy, but it's my real name yeah. No I'm just I'm sorry this is pretty awkward. I just you know I. Really Prefer if we could get fouling off the mic or just out of the room, so we can continue the interview I'm just. Remembering a few years ago, I came to Jingle Ball. She was talking trash about me backstage because my voice was really quiet, I was under the weather, trying to preserve my instrument and Do you remember talking serious about me so I? I really don't think I can I don't. I don't. I don't know that that happened, are you? Are you serious? Yeah I can. Speak with her I thought I was going to be talking to today, but Badin that I thought you're kidding. Nick. That literally never happened. Balance a lot of things I don't even do your meal I didn't do your interview. I think I was actually. How do you remember that name? Though that Fallon 'cause you did come to jingle ball a couple of years ago and I remember that the Oh. Yeah, you were a little bit quiet, but While while I forget cities, and in places I can never forget voices. You know music what I do so whenever I hear someone for. It's pretty instantly recognized valid. Watch her. Leave the room. I mean that would be preferred. We'll definitely the room, but. I will leave there in because I. Don't WanNa make you uncomfortable neck, but if that ever happened and I don't do that to anyone, 'cause I like to respect people just as much as I like to be respected. I'll apologize to you. Because that's terrible. I wouldn't I would never do that to anyone. I'm really sorry if that happened, but I will leave the room because I definitely don't WanNa make you uncomfortable. I we all. Make mistakes inside. Steve will continue to talk show. Fallon will walk out. Yeah listen I think that would be in everybody's best interest. Okay all right and I tell you that that fallon is believing all this, and this is all made up. This is not Nick Jonas. This is who are you anyway? Is I'm tucker a friend Dave. I literally was like I wouldn't have I might do it. I guess I don't think. That made me sick at my stomach. Or you know what I'm going to actually see if fallon would walk out of the room, but fallon actually looked so sad and hurt that. I was like okay. We've got to let her off the hook. It's funny now. Though, right, yeah! I guess. Taking back even. Say I felt so terrible. I'm Mike. I look. We didn't make him glad. You picked me Jones by the way because. Of. For that reason I said He. We get an interview with him all the time I was like, and then he put me on the spot asking you a song man like I liken no song. We've. Tucker. Acting Youtube. I've ever done in your life cutter I'm GonNa. Tell you I'm going to tell you we had her. I don't think you sound much like Nick Jonas at all and I thought if anything. would be like this is not Nick Jonas, but you bought it all the way I wouldn't. Get. My mind I'm thinking God. IHEART does a million things have I'm never gonNA. Be Able to do any of our I. Again because Nick and China's has it out for me. Mick Jonas would not come to jingle ball. Jonas said I'll come to Jingle Ball, but if Alan, there I'm not coming. Hey, listen you you. I. Owe you want your Burger Buddy so I, appreciate! That don't worry. We'll make it happen. The day in the morning show is hideous beasts. Hey, don't feel bad. Valid. Fallon Prank me many times by Ding Dong ditch by stealing office paper, and planting it in my car, and then having the boss accused me of stealing office paper, and putting it in my car and I had to walk out and show the boss. There is no office paper in my car, but there was because Falun and Steve put it in there. So don't think don't feel bad valid by the way she's on. Vacation should be back next week. All right coming up on WB there's a big debate raging raging about the most popular checks mix piece so I'm GonNa. Tell you the winner on the social media debate on the best checks neck. Checks mix piece is at the mini breadstick, the right chip the Square Pretzel. Corn Check Sweet Checks and Circle Pretzel Win I make homemade checks makes once in a while I. Throw peanuts there, don't they have a checks? Mix It in the bag. That's got peanuts in their. Muslim dull. I have peanuts when we do it all so well. When you homemake again, there's always peanuts and it, but I think the ones that you get the brand from the store. They don't ever have the peanuts in it. What would you say? Is your favorite piece going to name them again? The mini breadstick the right chip. The Square Pretzel Corn Checks. We checks in square. Circle Circle. Pretzel nine used to be the ride chip, but now it's the many breadstick Steve. I like the. Technology do the Square Pretzel. The winter for you coming up in the second also the best ways to get out of a speeding ticket. I got five ways that you can S- things you can say and do to get out of a speeding ticket. It's coming up next on. You can't make this stuff up on your smart device on your phone on your speaker on your Alexa on Syria. It's all on iheartradio. Sponsored today also. Arthur diamonds. Is Okay If, you are getting speeding ticket near pulled over. There are excuses that you can use that. Actually work. Researchers ask people named several various excuses they used, and whether they work they save. The best excuse is to claim. You just didn't realize you were driving so fast that they say it works thirty two percent of the time. It's also those popular excuse we use. I'm late for work works twenty percent of the time. There's a medical emergency works twenty percent of the time. That's a lie though that's trouble, Karma. The if you then the COP will be like. Oh, well, let me escort you to the county hospital. Then you're like Oh God now you to run to the hospital and faked the whole thing I really have to use. The bathroom is used seventeen. That has seventeen percent effective. And another one seventy percent I didn't see the speed limit sign. We have a cop that listens to our show in Tyler. And he says the the best excuses are say you're on your way to a funeral or just don't speed, so there's that one here's one is ner texted. This went in I, got out of a speeding ticket up in saint cloud I said. My best friend was at the Saint Cloud Hospital having her baby, and her husband was deployed in Iraq and I didn't want her to be alone I made the whole thing up. Oh, I'm going straight to hell, but worth it I don't feel. At least you're on. The I asked Tyler the COP I said. What's the best excuse that you got from? A speeder said the best excuse I got is a competent old lady saying I need to go. I got the diarrhea. which is a great excuse? I mean sometimes. You just gotTa get home. You just have to honor. The checks mix thing so There's a big argument over what is the best checks mix piece. We've been sitting around for the last two months basically eating snacks. It makes sense that we've developed some deep opinions on them. Last week. Somebody on twitter posted. What looked like an innocent question? What is the best checks mixed peace? And she included a picture of the six pieces. The mini breadstick the right chip the square. Pretzel, corn, check sweet checks and the Circle Pretzel well about seven thousand people chimed in with their opinion, and the winning piece might be a surprise. The Ri- chip. Was Far away the big winner. I believe that because they make the mixes where it's just the Ri- chip. Now do they really? Not for sure, you know if you make it at home, it's really better because you can put all the worst hersher sauce in there that you want to all the salt that you want to book guy. By the way I'm become. The master of the smoker I smoked brisket yesterday and It turned out really good mouth off the bone. It yeah pretty much did. It was like Oh my God. That tastes good a restaurant, so I have a friend. He's a chef. His name is Jim and whenever I have a question about cooking or anything I always tax gem. And he's like a master chef. He's really good, and then I thought I've also got a friend, nate, who's good for my apple questions anytime I get an apple. Question we we text, nate and they'll get a friend Mike? WHO's like a master cabinet maker? And I was hanging pictures on the wall and a coat rack down at Alison, my daughter's House on Saturday, and I wasn't sure what screw to us to get it in the stud and Blah Blah. Blah shows I, texted my friend Mike, and so I've got three friends. That's way below him. Oh, it's way below which scrutiny totally, but but he'll always give great advice very patient, so I wanNA. Ask You Jenny. What expert are you to your friends? So somebody's like what beer goes best with Scotch. What are they? What are you the expert on that? Your friends come to you for. A wine related like asked me what Perez was. Something asked me give me a meal. Okay? HOW ABOUT PIZZA OKAY! Rad box wine. Okay chicken wings. White box wine. Chicken farm. You could do I would go a white box line. You've just saying red and white box wine. You're not actually doing any kind of pairing. Asked what I was an expert in I am an expert in box wine, but there's two types of wine red box online. Why Steve What about you? You're the expert that fringe club the you in for what? Oh God. Oh, yeah, like if there's like a little like project and they want someone to do manual labor on the one. comes. Pro. DOES PEOPLE GO TO STEVE WILL? They say I can't get this to work online. How does this work for us with our air coworkers? But that's like nobody else. Really nobody else I falls me. I'm not really an expert on anything. Once in a while, people will ask me about airplanes or plane, crashes or David here. That plane crash whited crash. 'cause I'm kind of good at that. Think about that for a second and then tax me. Let me know. What are you your friends go to expert for. Susan is everybody's insurance. Go to expert. Susan knows everything about the insurance industry. She's worked into for twenty years backwards and forwards. Wonder whether you should do this whether you should take money out of this whether you should get the whatever then Susan knows so go ahead and. And texter I got a friend. That's that he's the H. Back Guy. Something's going wrong with your heating and cooling serious yet mean, but that's also what he does for a living, but that's like a specific thing. Yeah, you would never ask me that question I wouldn't know what to do. What would fallon? Be Expert in restaurants? Oh yeah, that's so true. Yes, because you're like okay, I'm over in Saint. Paul. What's a good? Good restaurant I should try and she'll be like. Oh, well, this one has this and this one. Has This and this one? has this exactly where to go and what? You'd like and Blah Blah Blah? So ask yourself think about that for a second. It'll challenge for you. Do you think you are the expert in the all your friends ask you about and then text it to me. It Katie WB one, five, three, ninety one. One the reason I do this is number one because it's entertaining number two, so I will then compile an expert lists I will now have your phone number next time I need a question about fishing or lakes or bowling, or whatever your expert and you're going to get a little mystery tax from local Dj say and so, what do you do with this again yet? Dave actually just Robert Colorado Anything Colorado they today for. Sure I. Get that a lot. I get like people who text and say I'm going to Colorado next week. I've never been there water five things that I have to do in Colorado so I give them the list there. My trainer Brent from snap. He was going to Colorado last week and I said you. You GotTa stay at my house a little. Little families had a couple of kids and a wife. He's got some time off he they both really deserve it. I said stay at my house out there and there's all kinds of free touristy things to do around Colorado. Springs so I gave him some tips and so yeah any tips on Colorado. What about you? We'll be back in a couple. Couple of seconds on Katie WB, a sporting events that what is one of the most watched sporting events in recent history and people loved it. Did you know about this one? Maybe it's slipped under your radar. Tell you about that when this week on campus to Dave. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have Sydney who is a fourth year senior over the U. of. Of M. With her report this week on campus. It's a special edition because she's been on a lake, so it's this week on the lake the time around and she's been on a bender. Let me tell you if you follow her on social media so I'm excited for this one or we'll do this week on campus. Slash Lake next on, Katie, WB. The Dave Lyon Show presents this week on campus. Sydney worked in the Promotions Department here at Katie WB and now she's You know seen you're over at the U. OF M. and senior years been a little bit weird, a lot weird with all the quarantine and stay at home orders, and all that kind of thing, but Sydney's now loosening her restrictions. And did I don't know I want to put words in your mouth, but goal crazy this weekend and this past week on campus Sydney. Hello, and where are you right now? I'm in Saint. Michael! Lake, bb or BB Wake I. Don't know which way it goes, but I've been here for like four days. Okay, I m picturing you in a bayliner with with swimsuit on sunglasses and a long neck bottle of bud in your hand right now at this moment, but I'm GonNa Guess. You're probably inside the lake home right now. Oh I'm in bed and I'll be here for the remainder of the day and that's my girl. Let's get your report this week on campus. Slash the lake. Yeah I'm convinced that manner crazy and girls are not crazy. That's been like my consensus. 'cause know I've been called crazy so many times I boys, which is fair because I am a little crazy. There's been two boys in the last twenty four hours have just done the absolute most and one is. He did it to himself, but he also did it to me because I was a victim. In this case, imagine that me, not causing problems, but being victimized. WHAT THE PROBLEM STARTER! He invited everyone overtures apartment, just to hang out casual and I had well. We were talking or anything. I thought he was really cute, and we might have kids maybe like the other day. So I went over, and I was excited to see him, and then when I got there, he decided to have like three other girls over that he was also talking to. Oh, so, it turned, and I had no idea until like. I was right there and forefront of it. And then the girl like was one of the girls. Okay, and so not the girl, but one of the girls was not happy about it at all, and she texted him and was like. I'm so sorry Blah Blah. Blah and then he she was like I. Hope you're not with the other girls, but the other girl was me. And, he was so. Bad look on his part, so this guy. Basically he had who was three timing it and you're one of the threes. Why did he invite? You guys all to the same place. I don't really understand that concept. You Know I. Don't think he was thinking that. When through it all I think he just thought it was going to be a good time and there was you know. Oh. He said he's saying friend. Actually okay. We're going to help you sitting right now. He's sitting next to you in the bed right now. So Sydney. Do you think you've one? Is that what we're getting to have you one question and Ending of the story. The grand finale was that I'm the winner. Oh, my God! Okay, he's an F. Boy, right so we're what happened to the other two girls. Did you like pitch them in the lake? Or what did you do to them? They went home. They went home. Okay, right? Around one on this week on campus now, what is what else is going on on campus or on the lake? While you should be on campus normally, but what's going on? Yeah, so I got another Texas morning from a friend and she goes to school at University of Tennessee's so different campus, but still same concept is that boys are crazy and she been seeing this guy for like six months I want to say, and they also recently broke up, and she's like very confident, and like she was like no, whatever like I'm going to move on I'm GonNa get over this. And she just like started ignoring him, and that did not sit right. Right with him so now he's been playing again the victim card and he thinks that he is in the right by being able to like texture unlike walker phone, and then this morning he blocked on everything and should like. I had the block you on everything because you post with other people to make me mad like Hebrew things with her so like. Why does he have the right to do that? You know he does not have the right at all I. Don't think. Exactly so again sack back to route as manner crazy so now Sydney anything with your studies or graduation. The report is called this week on campus. Is there any paperwork filed or graduation? Anything going on at all academically. No I took last semester off, and I was GONNA do summer classes and I said might want to take that one off, too, so don't think this would be the time to take summer classes. You can't really you can't go to Cowboy Jacks. You can't do all your normal stuff. Don't you think you should maybe focus on your studies for the summertime? I mean that's a very fair point. My parents brought it up. I'm getting that unemployment money, so I'm going to have plans. You might as well live it up because basically after college. Your life is over. Got To grow up. You might as well do it now. Well! Someone told me the other day that they think I'm going to be nineteen forever. Which is I? Don't know if that's common insult, but you're not nineteen twenty one, aren't you? I'm twenty three? That makes it even worse, twenty three. Yeah. So graduated last year. I graduated in twenty nineteen. What happens? I backpack for a year and then I transferred, and then I dropped out, and then I transferred again, and then I dropped out, and then I transferred again now here. Okay, you know what? When I was your age, I was a grandfather of. I had so much I've grown up so much. I had grandkids in four different states. It was crazy Sydney? We always love hearing from you on your report your academic report this week on campus. What are you on Instagram? Give me your instagram so people can go see you. Yeah. It's The Sydney. Monroe, and there's two is with Aetna Sydney. So as why D. N. E., Y., Y, ammo, N., R. O. K. Sydney. Thank you so much for this week on campus. On What One Point Three K dwp. This has been kiss week on campus. On one point three Katie wbz. Rachel from Crystal Minnesota and it's time for Dave's dirt on one point three K. D. WB brought to you by country, hearth breads, and the trending topics over the weekend role about DOJ. You hear about this one specifically whether she should be cancelled or not. Here's the story just a day after her remix of the weekends in your eyes, drop some skeletons from her past. Past emerge, they were rumors and various screen shots that seem to indicate the DOJ cat spent considerable time on message boards and chat rooms, including four Chan, which is known for being the home to trolls, racist and basically badland the bottom of the Internet barrel, and there was a matter of elite song that features a racist term now the conversation around canceling DOJ. Got So loud that she had to address the rumors with a statement under instagram. She said I want to address. What's been happening on twitter I've used public chat rooms to socialize. Since I was a child, I shouldn't have been on some of those chat room sites, but I personally have never been involved in any racist conversations I'm sorry to anyone I offended, so somebody went back in like dug up something that she hosted years ago. I guess I mean that's the thing is that that's is that? She totally was a different person I. Don't know if it was racist or not what she did, but that's what the. Whenever you become famous. There's always someone that digs up your pass and I think we've all said it on the show before like there's probably things in the past we've done that. We would never do nowadays, but we've adjusted with the time so canceled. Culture is so aggressive now and I do think that people deserve a chance to explain and change while I think that's true, I mean depending on what you did, and how long ago it was. was I mean for example you know we use the the really good example of really mainstream movie Napoleon dynamite. Use The R. Word several times, and now sure that everybody was in it. We didn't even blink back then, but everybody who was in. It probably would be embarrassed about it now, so it's just. I mean things change I. Don't know what she wrote, so I can only say that that she was the victim of the cancel culture. This is Jennifer Lopez on some benefits of being quarantine Jaylo. There's been some really scary executive. Fill time you know uncertainty all of that, but I'm also realizing a lot of things you know I'm realizing you know what I didn't call my mom every day I need to call her everyday. Even when this is over because I've been speaking to her every single day, and this is over, and we get back to work whatever that new normal is I want to keep them going. We set a time like every night at seven thirty sitting down. We're having dinner and I was like you know there are certain things that. I've discovered during this time that I definitely want to keep going so in that sense. It's been a blessing. Carson I Carson home from college and he got home. You know he'd be home by now anyway, but he's been home since spring. Break like middle of March, and it's been great having him home I know, he really wants to go back to school in the fall, but here's the latest. A lot of schools plan to reopen campuses. The students which does not sit well with every parent, one public health doctor compared placing teenagers dormitories it. It would be like sending them on a cruise ship. Has Your all breathing the same air dorm rooms with two roommates, one roommate, sometimes three roommates. They're tiny I. mean they're just enough room, so it would be like on a cruise ship. Colleges are also afraid of lawsuits if they become a hot spot, but also they fear financial ruin. The campus turns into a ghost town. I also heard My wife has told me that she had heard. That college tuition will finally stopped going up because it's just gotten so ridiculously expensive, and somehow this pandemic will cause tuition to go down. I don't know how that works better is because there's not gonna be going able to go to college. I wouldn't I I tell you I. Mean Carson. Is GonNa live in an apartment in Boston this fall. But I would be really nervous about him going back I. Mean he's young and he's healthy, but still eileen nervous about him going back to college and living in those conditions, since he is an apartment, though and not like a dorm situation. Do you think that he would want to be living in the apartment and doing online classes from the apartment there or would you rather stay in can't hassle. He would. He would much rather be in Boston with his online classes. But you know we'll see about that all right. We got some bad. This is a constitutional lawyer explaining why businesses can force you to wear a face mask. Here is clipped one. It's complete nonsense when people say that they have a right not to wear masks that they might as well say that they have a right not to wear clothes. It strange that these people say I have a constitutional right not to wear a mask at the same time, completely disregarding the rights of private property owners. It's the thing where we have a family friend who doesn't like math Malini alone. But his wife said the perfect thing When you go to the gas station, no shirt, no shoes, no service. They just added mask to it. You know I will wear masks. There's run a little bit late, but there was a video of lura goose reporter over time. Eleven yeah, and I I don't think it's doesn't matter, but he's at that bar in Wisconsin a couple of days ago and all these people a bunch of like. People are yelling at him to take off his mask and like take off your mask. Take off your mask and one. He turns to walk away and one woman actually grabs him by the shoulder. And it was disturbing. It's like your right to not wear. A mask also gives me the right to wear a mask. If I want to not be harassed Karen move. Why do you care that much? Because they? I don't know I think they say that he's instilling fear and a lot of people think that the media are instilling fear and there some of the honest with you, there's. There's a lot of news. Stories Ebb. Read where it's like I'm not going to read this. Because this is like the murder Hornet story, but they're just trying to get you to be more fearful, but I don't think the mask is one of those so all right? We'll be back in a couple of minutes on Katie WB I think we have a war of the roses coming up. award the roses coming up in a couple of seconds. Who is going to send the roses to? And what's excuse? This time we'll find out as we catch another cheater on war of the roses. Getting you the evidence, you need to bust a cheer. This is Dave Ryan's more of the roses at one point three. Thousand you know how it is when you first meet somebody. You're so excited and you're just can't wait to see him and you. Everything reminds you of them, and you're selling love, and you think about each other all the time. He text each other, and he can't wait to get together and do your thing. You know what I'm saying, but then you get married, and then it all just. Some. People are in relationships for years before they get married. Sex drive can still die down before that is very true. I mean well before you get married. That's kind of what we're dealing with here because we're catching up with zoe and i. read your email is real short, but she's expanding a little bit. Zoe, tell me what's going on why you want to do the roses on Jonathan. the basically we've been together. Fill while now probably like six months and at the beginning like you said like it was fireworks. Much time together. We always had so much fun together. And frankly likely couldn't keep our hands off each other. so that's. That's the way it should be in the beginning because you're so excited because all new everything, right? and like I mean we even had running joke. That like we would do it like anytime anywhere like we crazy each other. They're now just say you'll do it anytime anywhere. That means okay. Didn't what was the couple wasn't there on a bus not too long ago? Unworthy roses the did it on a bus lead. They met on the bus on the bus that it's right. Okay, I, all you yeah, where's the weirdest place that you and Jonathan ever did you'll thing. Will one time. We were at the park And you know one thing led to another and. We of sound like like a chain link fence and we kinda you know like I said. One thing led to another, and we had a nice little time there and. And that was great. Okay a chain link, fence and apartments. Visualize where their people around. Yeah, it's a cargo people around, but you know you're kind of up against it, so it wasn't really you naughty. But but since then I mean, let's let's cut to the sad part here, and and this is the problem in the last what month or couple of months or week or how long has been going on now the last couple of weeks? It's just things have really really really slowed down like I barely even fear anymore, and what I do select come. Come over, and we'll watch a movie, and then he'll go home. You know and it's just like I. Understand you know after a while the passion like so down a little bit, but to go from like everything to nothing is it makes me I. Don't know makes me confirmed that. Maybe he's seeing someone or something going on, because it's just weird, okay? So, you don't really have anything more than that. Except it's just weird that you went from like all the time seen each other very passionate to now it's like hardly ever, and if it's like if you're not getting it with me, must be getting somewhere else because I I mean my. You know like I. My needs diminished. I'm like hey, come over. You're still ready to roll and the Jonathan is like does he say's working or was he? Say's Dylan. flaky her. I mean I. Don't know I, feel it. We can call him and see. We can get a hold of him. And then which are you? Which player? Use this time now I'm going to be the roses company again just because they don't live together so okay, okay? You're calling from roses or flour company. Yeah, they all do the same way last week. which is a local flower shop? Blah Blah okay all right. Let's call them right now and see who he sends the roses too. Jonathan. Jessica with. How're you doing today one? Where are you calling? From a floral department we're doing promotion and your name was in our system. He must have purchased flowers from past, and you were selected at random. Basically, the promotion today is we are giving some of our customers, a free dozen long-stem romantic roses to send out the anyone anywhere at no cost to them, and it's basically just us saying hey, next time you purchase flowers for a special event your life. Hopefully you'll think of US correal yes. Yes I know it sounds too good to be true, but it's just our way of saying. Thank you for being a customer in the past and we hope you continue to be a customer with us. Say. It sounds too good to be true. It probably is not at all Wilson those after whoever you would like again. No cost to you like I said. You say a name for who would send those to okay. tend to first name as Bailey's last name. we. Note for you if you'd like to leave a little message for Bailey can do so. Happy Three Week anniversary saying I do to you. Has Been The easiest? And Best, decision, Of My life. Love Jay Very. Hard Very, very, Long Carlo. Has Your Wife. We got married three weeks ago. You're married now. WHO's it? That's a really good point is going to surprise your low bit because we're surprise to. Jonathan I mean congratulations on being married. Did you think that you should maybe tells zoe? Because there's this what's going on here? It's it's Katie W. B. in the Dave Ryan show calling and Zoe was wondering why. You've kind like drop out of her life. A little bit I guess we've got the answer your. You Got Married Zoe listening right now on the other phone here, Zoe say hi, so Jonathan will know that we're legit and you're on the phone. Are. You. Kidding me you're married. Hello I have a hung up probably a good move. I'd say so he the real weeks ago. That means the whole time you've been together. I'm assuming he's been yeah. Big Time usually takes a while to plan a wedding. That poor girl Bailey that he may God so. Whatever you feel that Zoe, but at least you're not married to him. What about this? I, think God? This is terrible, because I don't think we've ever had anybody that I remembering. Years and years. Doing war of the roses turned out that they just got married. They've been married before, but just got married that you had one. No idea no I. Don't even know why why. He would even be seeing me for the last few months. If you. If you have a theon time, and now he's like. I can't even believe this. I am in complete thoughts. About how badly might feel right now if we can get her on the phone? Is got the radio on Whoa. We ever had anybody get married. Have we ever had anybody during worthy roads? Grows what a sleaze bag in the. Growth but I didn't like seeing someone. That was smell well. Now you know the where he disappeared too because. Yeah. I'm so sorry. It sucks. I. All Right Dave Ryan in the morning. Show award roses every single morning. CHECK US out online on Dave Ryan Show Dot Com for all of our weekend in five photos. Did something really cool yesterday was really proud of this I forget where I saw it, but they asked anybody who could play a bugle or trump to play taps in their driveway CDs. Might have been CBS started the whole thing, but I'm not sure and so. I asked the neighbor across the street. I said Hey. Your kid plays trumpet. Do you want to have his play together? And he's like I. Don't think he's GonNa WanNa. Do it and the kids like maybe so we got our boy scouts shirts on look more official. Yeah, and we went outside in the driveway and we played taps, and if you WANNA see the video, it's on my. I think it's on my instagram. It's definitely on my facebook page so I sat on your instruments. You're also doing a facebook live tonight. Dave I am six. Seven o'clock. Susan are GonNa, go again. Walk Susan warm up your arms. What time is it going to be again? I think it's a six o'clock six YEP that's been. SPATULA family. You want to go on a walk with seasoning on day. I take leave it. What do you think you guys will talk about tonight? People that we should have married. We'll go through a list of people mary. Oh well, she only dated one guy before me Alan. so she probably should married Allen There's another guy named todd. She probably should married, but then she got stuck with me. Mine would probably be either Leslie. Or Rhonda. To yeah, it doesn't. That sounds like a made up name? I. Get Mad at me. WHO's Leslie and WHO's wrong? But we asked this earlier. This is really interesting. We talked about things that you are an expert in. And your friends always come to you because they know you're an expert in it like bad for Fallon. It's always restaurants Fallon going to be downtown Minneapolis. What restaurants should I go to? She'd be like well. What are you in the mood for you? Blah Blah and like narrow down. Give you a good restaurant, or you're going to be in north loop fallon. What's a good restaurant North loop? Steve is kind of the computer guy, so if you're like I'm having trouble finding this online or whatever he'll be like. Oh, I can find it for you. I'm an expert of a plane crashes people. People always call me and say here, but the plane crash. What happened and I usually Kinda have an idea. Jimmy's an expert in boxed wine. Yeah, I, really I. Don't think I'm an expert in anything but I do think that people come to me just to talk I'm the person that if you have a problem going on in your life, there's no judgment and I'm here to listen, so you are a judgment free zone. She really is no I don't think about Jenny I. told you any stuff that it's like probably shouldn't tell her but i. tell her about border with my problems anyway. So I asked people on on the radio. What are you an expert in your friends? Always ask you so somebody says everybody comes to me about food. I'm a chef and all my friends want food, advice or want me to make him food. Another one airports I can go to an airport one time and have the place completely mapped out for the bathrooms to the best restaurant another. Another one an expert of the Minnesota State Fair. My Dad owns a grocery store out. There I've gone all twenty five years of my life I know it in and out and I. Love it My name is Julie I went to e Marin emt school so I get a lot of friends asking for medical advice. I'm now in cosmetology school, so I get a lot of questions about hair. Here's one I'm a nurse at a dermatology clinic. My friends and family asked me questions about skin, and if they're moles, look weird, but they rarely listened to me about wearing sunscreen. I'm guilty. Better and that's like I should've worn it. Yesterday didn't another one I fix. Cars work on almost anything in the house. Love running my chainsaw I worked at Caribou for ten years. ANYTHING COFFEE YOU'RE. Caribou drinks related, and then another one one hundred percent theme park vacations I specialize in Disney. However, I am also proficient in universal. Studios I could be a travel agent and I'm proud so Texas. What you could be expert in your friends. Always ask you about is Tina in today she is. She's right next to me. You can text US enough for Disney facts to. She knows everything about Disney. Hey Tina! Yester-, what is the must ride ride right now in magic kingdom, Magic Kingdom. Yeah, I think the most popular one is probably seven dwarfs mine train, but I'm always like Space Mountain Kinda girl. But ever weights like three hours for that Dang ride. In Epcot. What are they doing with? The? It used to be the big giant Golf Ball. It was spaceship Earth. What are they doing? Spaceship Earth I'm glad you asked day of they're currently. They started a refurbishment right before quarantine, so it's going to be closed for like a and a half or something. Ride that's so lame and slow moving. That is my favorite ride at Epcot, getting ready to turn a big birthday I. Think it's twenty five next year, so they're trying to make. It looks pithy Gina. What do the initials Kat mean anyway experimental prototype community of tomorrow that a guy or a girl in that Mickey mouse suit, good question Dave. It is Mickey, mouse how? Grow Up, Tina all right. We're going to talk to Tina and his second. She's GonNa play where you can play along to. It's called the. What do we call the Game Genie Game? Rapid fire questions can. Try it next. On Katie WB and now it's time. For Jenny's game was got less speed round trivial. What's it called? Rapid fire question. It's pretty much. Jetty Weather Girl Jenny takeaway. Okay, so I have three different subjects. This time it's going to be NFL teams, famous landmarks and states. I'm going to pick out of a cup, so you don't think I'm like altering it to WHO's going at the time so I will have. Steven Dave go against each other. We're picking out of a cup and you will do famous landmarks. Got this one what I'm GonNa do is I'm just going to simply name a landmark. You need to give me the country that it's in. So if you say a city that's fine, but I need the country to go with it as well. Okay all right. I'm going to put sixty seconds on the timer, and Dave will go first and then Steve I'm not gonNA. Say Your names because that just confuses. Push back and forth so dave goes I and sixty seconds here we go. The Eiffel Tower Paris France. Stonehenge Ireland. Leaning Tower of Pisa Italy. Sydney Opera House Australia. March up to. Peru. Mount Rushmore America. Mount Saint Michael. Greece! The Great Pyramid of Giza. Buckingham Palace England. Golden Gate Bridge. In America. Taj By new. You're going to say that one. I can't remember where it was A. Game Works Madrid now. The calcium that's in Greece Italy I answer. The Statue of Liberty America. Christ the redeemer. In Brazil. The Acropolis Greece. The blue domes of. Our, that's an. Eireann. No. Victoria Falls. Good that South Africa. Venezuela Zimbabwe Eritrea falls. Who Kept Score? So I did not, but I. know that Dave one that. In your face Latortue. Yeah, that was good. I knew you were going to say. Taj Mahal India Depp. Carson told me the other day. My kid he's dead I WANNA go see like one thing before I die, I'm like well. You got plenty of time. You're nineteen what you want to go see. He's like I. Want to see the Taj. Mahal because it's so perfect and beautiful, and I'm like it's a really weird thing to one across the world to see and go for a long flight, but I think it's probably worth. US Super Long flight, and they're not serving drinks on flights anymore now or parental or pretzels. What the hell are! We GonNA FLIGHT TO INDIA ANYWAY? Who's going up next? WHOSE NECK so now? Tina goes against Steve Dave. You've made it to the finals. Teen Again Stephen Picking, out of a cup and your is this topic is going to be NFL. Is Your thing Tina and I did this specifically since. Fallon's on vacation today because I know that it would just not working her all so what I'm GonNa do is say the team like the mascot or something like that so I'll say like. You have to say Minnesota. No, you have to say Minnesota. You'RE GONNA get wrong. If you say Minneapolis or if I, say packers, you'd say Green Bay Wisconsin packers to that I know. You letting you know that that's how it works so seeven low-tar. Going first awesome here. We go six seconds on the clock. The Dolphins Miami. Patriots New England. Cardinals. No God Arizona. PHILADELPHIA! BEARS CHICAGO? chargers. Falcons Atlanta Cowboys dowse. Saints New Orleans. Lions, Drake. Texans. HOUSTON. Forty niners San Francisco. Chiefs. Browns. CLEVELAND. Rams Los Angeles. Bengals Cincinnati. Gas. Giants New York Ravens. broncos Denver Payton's. Spills Buffalo Panthers. Carolina. Jets New York. Stevie ID so much. Good you only got like two wrong. You Got Eight. Teams thing but Tina. What are Donald Duck's nephews names here we do that. Let's see. that. Go! Back against date. I've taken my lines for this. You've been on the radio all morning Taco with an. In your face, not all boring. I'd put him back in just a little while ago. All right, your teeth look just incredible. Nice okay guys. The last subject is going to be state, so I'm going to say something famous about that state. You'RE GONNA. Give me the state. Okay. I'm ready. I'm pretty sure. Dave was pretty good. At this last time, we played it so debut. Go I once again. Ready I! EVER ADDY GALA! This is the only state where the tropical forests boy. It was in this state that Rosa Parks started a civil rights movement by. Though Pazzi no Alabama. This state is known as the most popular destination for retirement Florida. The jazz capital of the world resides in the. Louisiana the cartoon show. The Simpsons takes place in this state. Springfield Illinois. Springfield right, but not to say. The state is larger than any European country Texas. The State is referred to as the diner capital of the country. NEW JERSEY! That's right. Eight. Hundred languages are spoken the State New York. This is the state is the number one producer of honey in the nation. Kansas dicky bond set might enjoy living in the state due to the highest producer of copper in the country the Anna no Detroit. Michigan now. This is the first state to give women the right to vote. Yeah. Three Steve Sorry. Let's go back. What is the largest producer of copper wire the dicky bond set? Arizona no kidding. Earlier that the. Number, one producer funny, as North Dakota, really Yup. You did get diner capital of the country. You got it and Dave Got Springfield write for the simpsons, but it's Oregon Oregon. Now can I. Can I question that because I don't think on the simpsons. They ever say what state they're in. I don't think so either. Dave's right about that, but I will look. Again. Seinfield but they never say so, but that's all right. I swear when honestly I was googling fun facts about certain states, and that was like the number one thing that came up for Oregon where. It was revealed in one of the episodes called the burns. Cage Springfield location was finally revealed to be in the middle of America. The one the producers said that it was based in Springfield Oregon but who knows or not really okay, Google, it real quick doesn't matter I want anyway. It's one point three Katie WBZ WE'RE GONNA. Come back with some news. You know the great. The great thing is guys. Remember. When we started doing good news, it seemed like there was so little good news. About two months ago, we started doing a segment called good news, and it was always like. Oh, the soccer team! This high school is raising money or the seven year. Old Girl is you know selling lemonade to raise money whatever it was and there was nothing really like solid good news now. There's not a whole lot of advancements but I think there's much more good news I. Don't think we're that. That I read a survey that says were much less sad, anxious and depressed as we were a couple of months ago when everything was started, and we didn't know what to expect I mean a couple of months ago. I mean we really kind of sat around and thought you know the to twelve medical center and fairview south. Dale is GonNa have tents in the parking lot full of dying people? and. We really didn't know and it didn't turn out to be anything like that. It's still sad that so many people have died of course, and it's still scary that there's going to be a second way very likely going to be a second wave, but we're still going to do good news because you know what got to have it, I like it I. It news and we'll do that for you next dateline. Show one on one point three Katie wbz. We do have some good news for you and one of them. One of the stories is Denmark is letting people into the country to see their significant other, but they gotta be able to show a love, letter or other proof of the relationship, so like okay, get itself Diane. Is that is going to be enough to be like yeah. That's Oh. Yeah, that's Diana Right. Nobody writes love letters anymore. So really. What do you have messages? You'll love tax love tax plan to actually do. Send love little tax back and forth to Andrew Jenny now. They're just sexual. No lovey, okay, have you guys, said the l word yet together? We have not got napper. No. Did you ever say it too. Soon I was dating one girl. Burn down the Daycare Candy. I can't remember. I said on the phone one time I was like I. Love You, she said No. You don't David and I'm like Oh. That hurts other response. I was expecting. Some time because you're trying to get things going on the phone with her, so now I mean think already had things going, but I just said and she corrected me and is turned out. I didn't love her right, but she was right. He asked like this to the pandemic is bringing back the Milkman. Yes, old fashion milk delivery is becoming a viable job again now. And with the return of the Milkman, we should see a spike in paternity tests if I had my cliches Yup. Always say I am the Milkman style because I like nothing like my family see the funny thing is. There is no milkman anymore, so you gotta say the UPS Guy More Schwann's Schwann's. Delivery person that guy to. sex doll company in. Florida says it cannot keep up with demand since the pandemic began I suppose that's true. People say they're looking forward to spending money again. With more restrictions lifted in the whole, the things people want our vacations and meals at restaurants, so I don't blame them. What restaurant or you go into going to ex when it opens up and going to Steve. I'll probably could crave get sushi emily. Such great Sushi Jenny Probably Logos Taco who good one. There's one excelsior also. Did you know this? Is True. There's a myth going around that hand. SANITIZER can explode if you leave it in a hot car, it is not true although it is flammable. If you hold a lighter up to it and a couple of more good news stories, one hundred one year old, a World War veteran, and a seventy three year, old daughter, both live in the same nursing home in Maryland and they both got to. To Celebrate Memorial Day, together after they each of Covid, nineteen, one, hundred, one and seventy three I love this one, although the kid is headed down the wrong road, he's a seventeen year old kid in Orlando started his own radio station when he was eleven, they still added. He's been raising money for frontline workers by charging five dollars for a song request in less than a month he's. He's raised thirty thousand dollars higher at radio station I. Don't know how that works. I mean it's it can't be licensed by the FCC ED. Think so probably broadcast like down the block, or whatever Here's one side effect of the crisis. That's Nice robocalls from scammers are way down because a call centers that run them have fewer workers right now back in February. There's about one hundred. Hundred, sixty six million robo calls a day in the US. It's dropped by about half that since then Pizza Hut's give it away a half. A million pizzas to graduating seniors and their families and a chick chick-fil-a in San Antonio rolled out the red carpet, and through a commitment ceremony for five employees. Who are graduating this year. That's kind of cool. Have you seen the line of Chick-fil-a? I'm sure it's exactly like the one that raising cane's that I always go by is worse cable any worse it came. Out of the parking lot into the road or wherever the thing as each day you're like. Oh, I'm not getting that line. We have passively Hugh on Sunday night and I think it was probably twenty cars deep. We drove by the one over by Eden prairie like by the old abandoned Burger, king, and that line was like like. The wasn't around the block, but probably again about twenty cars in line and Mike. Why are people wanting dairy queen so much like? This weekend for what had has been I should say, but it was also kind of Muggy and I feel like you just go get some ice cream during that. Don't know this, but NERF I guess bought Super Soaker, which may be, that's always been a thing because i. just stocked up on a whole bunch of super soaker balloon launchers. Balloon launcher because you said that it's pretty amazing. It's okay I'm taking it back. It was cool at first, but it's the kind where it's a hand balloon launcher where you pull it back. has this feeling like a slingshot one? And it shoots. Wow, but it's not like you know the t shirt, cannon or balloon cannon one like back in the day where you pull, had two people holding yeah. I used to do that for the timber wolves. That's what did you do Jenny? I'd slingshot t shirts. I used to be an interactive squad at the Tim Rules and we slingshot t shirts. It's a hard job. It's stressful you're trying to. Everyone's excited. They're looking at you. Like hundreds of people are staring at you. And if you flop slingshot, they all have embarrassed. Turn Red and you got off that court. It's as you can. Oh, that's funny. I don't know if I told you this. A couple of years ago I had a pair of timber, wolves, tickets and I was parked in our parking garage and I left him on the dashboard. And I came back after the show somebody had broken the window and put another para. Timber Wolves tickets on schedule. Do you. Listen Milano posted something on social media and immediately people roasted her for it, and we'll tell you about what than was coming up next on Dave sturt on one at one point three Katie. WB An on your smart vice, in Amazon, Alexa and everything wherever you listen, we're there, except maybe on your cassette. It's one on one point three Katie being. This is logan out in Woodbury. Minnesota and you are listening to Dave, sturt. Hogan I appreciate it. Thank you appreciate that David is brought to you by country hearth breads. Let's get started list Milano posted a picture of herself wearing crochet mask, and of course, the Internet's like you. Knew so stupid. Let's go little holes in it. They called her out for Sporting. What they thought was a useless face. Covering one person said Eliza. That mask is as helpful as a screen door on a submarine. The actress was quick to set the record straight. She said mask has a carbon filter in it, so yes, it might be crochet the totally safe. She also posted a screen shot of the carbon filters. You put inside the mask. She told another user that the mass was made by her mom. Cool, good idea. You know what I've been watching lately. Is The buzzer networked with old game shows and you see Betty. White was a staple of old game shows back in the day, and it's amazing to look at her forty forty five years ago, and she looked oldish then and think that she's still alive while she's doing very well. They said she's keeping busy in quarantine. They said no one's permitted inside her home. Except those who must chess helpers were great with her. Her Rep checks in with her several times a week and we always have laughs. You know how old betty white is now. Ninety, four, Ninety, eight, Ninety, eight Jenny ride yeah. They say she's got a beautiful backyard with a number of wild animals, visiting ducts always come by to say hello. They WANNA leftover glass door and look in, so they go on to say the viruses afraid of betty. Glad she's doing well always good when you hear like an old person that beat the virus like the hundred and one year old that beat it in the like. Yeah, all that stuff goal. Benny was on Golden Girls Right? Okay. I mean she's been on so many different things. I've actually forgotten that she was on golden girls 'cause she's just such a cultural icon now. I think that it was the last big thing, yeah! She was in the proposal with Sandra Bullock. The best part of that entire movie is when they do the scene around the fire, and they do ski ski mother in their dancing to that song around the fire. It is well. It's Sandra Bullock. That's singing. It's like through the window to the window to the. Like Chan and Betty Weiss just like going with it even though she doesn't know what's happening. boys to men were on Song Land last night. I saw that. Yeah, that's. Always been yet, they they actually created that the next hit song and one song writers. Life actually has changed forever if you Miss Song Land It's such a great show on NBC you can actually catch up on last night's episode. It's now streaming and don't miss new episodes every Monday on NBC but yeah, it's a great show or the new song every time and yet voiced men were on, and that's really cool. I Love Boys. I remember when they had their big song. I think it was end of the road. It was either end of the Road Rotor I'll make love do and they topped the charts for fourteen weeks then they did another song. Song that beat that record and then one sweet day with Mariah Carey beat that record so boys to have spent like a total of two months or more, maybe whatever maybe six months on top of the chart so I'll make love to you and once weekday with Markelle which F. Fourteen and sixteen weeks respectively. Wow, don't you set new records for the total number of weeks at number one? So if you missed song land, you can catch up on streaming and go check that out. It's actually a really. Really, really cool show speaking of music, even though he's topped the charts around the World Louis Paul, these still lives with his mom and dad, and that's had its pros and cons during the whole lockdown. He says that he's actually drawn a lot of strength from his folks over the past weeks. He says obviously you worry for them going out, but it's just that thing of view like you have to. My mom is a nurse and has to do, and that's our view of it. This is my job and. And this is what I do I think if she was more panicked or my dad was. I probably would be a bit more worried, but their demeanor has been quite reassuring to me. He also jokes about potential of fiscal altercation with the MOM and Dad Says Dad's been doing. Push ups around the House and I saw my mom polishing some knuckledusters I thought right. I Bet a wall out I've been doing squats, I. Know that obviously lose capacity I, wonder if his parents will be in the background during. His performance at our virtual star party coming up on June fourth. You know this. Is that funny because he is going to be doing it from his home, star. Party is of course presented this year by white cloths. Seltzer, and normally we do it at the myth this time we're doing it. Virtually and we've got John Legend Meghan trainor Louis. The Alec Benjamin, Love Services and Powell food. It's a free. Of course it's free. It's online. We don't have any idea. How would charge you and even if we did, we wouldn't do it anyway. It's only on Katie Dot. com starting at seven PM, and it's coming up on June fourth, so it's from white claw. Hard Seltzer made pure, so June fourth is not that far away isn't win. Is June fourth because today's the twenty six to thirty days ago, so it's like a week from this Thursday yet? Because it's also the last day of school for my children as hard to believe, because usually we started talking about star. Party on new, year's Day and we hype it up. Very Paul Spring and then by the time rolls around. You're like we get. It. So, this time starts a little bit different, but we're still doing our thing because that's what we do. It's been tradition on. K. WBZ for a very long time. That's another audio here for you, this is. I like this one. This is Take on me played on washing machines now. This is played on the keypad on a washing machine. You'll recognize the song when you hear it here, we go. Okay so there's that okay. All right okay McDonald's has a new training video about cleaning, and it's called. Clean it to the tune of beat it here it is. Player. Just. Off. Actually have Dave Ryan show dot com to okay cool. It's really funny. At the end of a long weekend. We usually talk about what movies did at the box office over the weekend, and there's been no movies for a long time. I really hope they open back up again soon because I love the movie experience and I think if I went and was socially distanced, and they sterilized the seats between each movie I'd really love to go back. You know there's nothing like movie popcorn you can make popcorn at home is not the same as movie. Popcorn Jake bond set. Fallon's husband gave me a movie recommendation. because. I watched that movie called Don Wall about the guy who climbed this like on climate, mountain in Yosemite and I'm not a big climbing buffer zone late. Really interesting, so I told Fallon and she said Jake loves this movie called Free Solo, and it's about this really awkward kind of really very awkward. Have you seen a Steve? I've seen clips of it because I've heard seventy people talk about it that like. Like he because he's in a relationship, but it's a very weird relationship to because he's such a weird guy he's he's weird, but he's really likable in some way, and he has no fear. I mean he's standing on top of a ledge. That's about sixty six inches, wide and free climbing I guess no no ropes nothing and he doesn't just Klein. He sprints up, doesn't he? He went up this like really. Really difficult face in like three and a half hours, so it's really incredible. If you're looking for a movie to watch in quarantine, watch free Solo, even if you're not in a mountain climber I'll give you one not to watch. CARSON LOVES TO WATCH ELVIS MOVIES BECAUSE HE studied music and he wants to find out what the big deal is about Elvis, so we watched a couple of Elvis movies we. We like them all then. We watched a hard day's night by the Beatles on Saturday night. He did not like it. Why because it's weird, old school British humor with thick British accents, and you can't really understand him half the time, so like parts, and this is a classic. He's like I watched big over the weekend. We introduce it to our children for the first time PG's changed guys, you mean. They use the F word. The S. word. The B Word I heard all those words. They also like you know basically a thirteen year old and a thirty year old having relations had to fast forward through that sex scene. Awkward because he's like a kid. That's twelve then all of a sudden. He says I want to be big, so he gets to be a big person like a twenty five thirty year, old guy. Yeah, and then he's hooking up with a twenty eight year old woman. Yeah, and then at the very end like when he gets dropped off back at his mom. Oh, yeah, and then like the kid next door. The MOM's like. Oh, my Gosh, when broken to my house, and he's the whole time, and the mom pulls a knife on her own kid, and that she's crying, talking to the redhead he's everything will be okay. Many mother mom would say like no, it's not my kid was kidnapped. Letters. That's camp. Thirty four and it's brought to by Arthur's jewelers. Hey, I want to know that the twin cities pride five k coming up later this summer, obviously not a lot of five. KS being run to do in a virtual five K so I'm just online. And you can just google. Twin Cities Pride Twenty twenty, and he'll take you to a link to register and sponsor people, and it's one of those runs where you were going to count on you to run it at your own time or whenever you want to run on the treadmill. You WANNA run. You know in your neighborhood tomorrow or whatever you go register so raising money for that one and go check that out and I thought. I couldn't find my rainbow to that I wore last year I. Think I threw it away. That's why we. Don't know Jenny. There's somebody might have kept it I. Don't know. I couldn't find it so I ordered another rainbow to two, and I'm going to be running my five K on the stage here in the performance room. The Sky Room again on Katie like I do. Walk for animals five, Cadillac. Did Not ask for you to continuously on five ks on it David why. You know what the that safety. It's a break. It is for performance. For Dave Rind runs laps around. Those oppose all right. We love ICE CREAM AND Getting Warmer Sensory scientists came up with a seven step process that's supposed to give the ultimate ideal ice cream eating experience, so the one downside is takes longer, but if you're really serious about your ice cream here, the steps number one take it out of the freezer. Defrost for about fifteen minutes because it's too cold. The Aroma molecules don't release and smell plays a huge role in how things. Is like when you take a stake off the grill. You're supposed to let it rest for a few minutes, so all the fat will be reabsorbed back into the meat, instead of becoming liquefied. That makes sense. Get. Second separate scream. Do not take too big of a bite half a teaspoon per his ideal. Best, they say yeah I don't agree either I wanNA mouthful. Place the spoon upside down in your mouth, so the ice cream hits your tongue okay, I get that one role, the ice cream around in your mouth and pay attention to how smooth creamy texture fields. Breathe in through your mouth while the ice cream is in there. The air passing over it helps it hit more of your tastebuds. Don't swallow too soon. Twelve seconds in your mouth is ideal. Always true. Are we talking about ice cream yeah Steve's mom? Okay. Each spite to build up a quote. Full ice cream taste profile, but you don't want to have in there too long because then A. Little ice cream buzz where he like you breeze Yeah Right Off The top my head, favorite flavor of ice cream is anything like peanut butter, cookie dough anything. Yet peanut butter cookie reece's pieces. Yes, yes, or recess peanut Butter Cup is all delicious Yup I've always liked mint chocolate chip, but I like pretty much any flavor of ice cream except for like fruity flavors, I'm not really like a strawberry blue bear I. Try making homemade ice cream at home. It did not go well like I. Don't like the thing that actually spins it. How in the world try to make ice cream at home, but don't have the equipment. How how? There's a recipe that I found online and Jenny. Maybe you know what this is, too. You get all the ingredients like you usually would, but if you don't have like the blender thing you put it in a bag of ice, and then you basically shake it in a towel for five minutes, and it becomes the ice cream now. That's on Youtube. I watched people do it. I could never successfully do it, but it's possible just because I know how to improvise. Making cocktails does not mean I know how to improvise making ice cream bowl. That's what you should probably do on your facebook. Facebook live on Friday. You're doing to land for radio, Ham, a facebook live tonight six o'clock Steve Yes. Six six o'clock walk around the neighborhood with my wife Susan, and will answer questions, and we'll talk about the people that we should have married and who had made us actually happier and things like that, so we'll do that tonight on facebook. Live the Dave Ryan in the morning show sticking alarm alarming. Your phone love the heavy there six o'clock to night on facebook live. We'll be back with Dave's dirt to go in just a minute on one zero one point three K. D. WB. Hi this is parish from West Palm Beach. Florida. You're listening to Dave sturt on one. Oh, one point three K. D., WB. You're not listen to my good friend Kevin. Rolston down in West Palm Beach shows way better than our way better. Wow, parachute! I love you. Though glad you're listening on Iheartradio Shadow, you listen on iheartradio. Shout out also to everybody doing their thing. A country hearth bridge at a nice weekend back in the bakery, getting the bread and the stores stocking the shelves work in the. The, books, doing all the signs product all the marketing and flower together, but all that stuff. Yeah, and stuff. I was GONNA. Call him though is going to ask them where they're getting yeast. Because it was at the cub the other day they they're out of yeast, unlike wallow country hearth, they must be going into cub. The probably the they shop at has got the yeast. Or they just get in a different way maybe. Could Be I. Can I tell you about the adorable little moment that I had with my daughter Alison yeah over the weekend My daughter Allison came over, and so I, told her because I'm going to play the Ukulele for her little baby she's. Going to have a baby in two mottes her due date, July thirtieth so I said I'm going to play the UKULELE furthest little baby. We don't have a name for her yet. and then hopefully when she grows up as she gets you know comes out, and she's born and all that stuff. Maybe when I played the Ukulele she'll smile and look toward the sound whatever so I played this song for her I'm a Ukulele yesterday WanNa. Hear it. So the video is on my instagram. Dave Ryan Katie be and I. Think Allison was part happy? And our partner, there is yeah, just didn't like being videotaped what it is. You think so maybe. because. I feel like she's more of a private person. Don't you think? You know she is. The I th I think that. When she was little, she was embarrassed by the fact that her dad was on the radio. Because people would ask her about it and talk about it, and now she's just lost all interest. She's like Okay Barrett. Find like Carson used to listen to the radio every morning he'd get up. Take a shower sitting his towel in his chair in his bedroom with radio on. Listen to Dad, and now it's like he doesn't even go near the radio when I'm on it anymore. He might listen later, but he doesn't listen to it when I'm on like. Oh! Paris embarrassing. Sometimes a stroke shut up, Jenny. That's not really and that's Vallon John Krasinski. Is Getting slammed for selling his youtube. Show some good news viacom CBS. He had started the show presumably just to brighten up people's lives during the pandemic, he did eight episodes in charge nothing for them. But there's talk that with the sale. At least some of the contents going to air on CBS all access, which is a pay service and John is with the show as a producer, but he's not hosting it anymore, so here's some of the got salty salty comments. He's been getting on twitter, so he made eight youtube videos comprised largely of unpaid contributions from fans sold the brand to a major conglomerate and isn't even GonNa. Make it anymore just cashed out. Does this rub anybody else the wrong way kind of in this one this will lose the heart of S G N and become just another corporate money-making, watered down version of what it once was. I mean that part could be true, but. Due to Jenny were really following the the two girls. What is it the Daddy? Tell me what the latest is explain. What caller daddy is I kinda know what it is, but not like you call. Her Daddy is very sexually explicit podcast. Barstool sports owns and honestly it's pretty hard to sum up everything that's going on, but basically they demanded more money did some. And some kind of shady stop behind barstools back even though they were under contract bar, so basically gave into everything that the girls wanted one of the girls was being influenced by her boyfriend, and said No. We still want more. They got super super greedy, so finally the girl Alex. She's the block on the podcast. She just decided. You know what I'm going back to Barstool. I'm taking the deal doing the podcast by myself and I. Don't know you think that you'd hear some like. Lies between everything, but when you listen to podcasts between the host and the president of Barstool, everything sounds truthful. What's out there so I? Don't know if there's way more that goes into it than to be able to sign him up in like a minute, but basically the girl one girl going back. The other girl is out of luck. Satellite sorry screw you. Screwed so do you think she like you know like screwed herself by doing that? Or do you think she'll bounce back with another show? That's like really good. The problem is is that Barstool owns the IP call. Her Daddy is still the other girl can go off and do her own thing and I without a doubt. PODCAST company will pick her up for a podcast, but she has to completely revamp what she was doing on her part podcast because Barstool owns like. Famous quotes and phrases. Well that's the thing I mean everything that we have a contract here at radio station that any kind of an idea or content that we come up with while we're under the contract to the radio station belongs to the radio station. So if we come up with a bit called, you know, know your wife, or whatever and is really big hit. And I laughed. This station could still own the rights to know your wife like I. Don't know if it's still true. It's like if even if like you. Dave invented an APP. Technically it says it's still says it just like that, but like that they own parts rights to it. What did they come to me and say we own clip? Do they do? Technically they do not own clipper, do technically I believe. Don't do no, because coming up with the clippers. Who Was not part of my job I? Did they said we need you to design something for the pet world and I came up with a clip ado than they might own it i. Tried to take my clipper. Do Away Oh man, you Taylor swift on them. I think it's one of those things that they don't care about. S. Don't care, don't. Mind, Iheart I think you're right. Make your mind. Tiger Woods and Peyton manning took out Phil Mickelson and Tom Brady in a charity golf event that raised more than twenty million dollars Brady had a couple of bright spots, but otherwise he was bad, and even split the back of his pants at one point, but people are desperate for live sports, and it was called the match champions for charity tiger. Peyton Phil and Tom Brady was aired on a bunch of different networks. And, it was about five point eight million viewers making it the most watched golf telecast in cable, TV history I actually just saw a clip of it where Tom Brady hit like some shot woods while that to probably no, but like he hits shot at the surprised that it went into hold so perfectly, and he's like who am I holy bought because you know Tom, Brady's throwing a football, but I'm guessing not very good at the gall. I'm GonNa Totally Watch that I love shows like that. Watching regular golfers is like it's okay, but watching like amateurs play with pros. That would have been really cool. They had microphones to like talking while going. I was just going to say the exact opposite of what Dave said I was going to say. There's nothing more boring to Washington. Gulf my dad used to make me watch golf with him growing up and I love to spend time with him, but I was miserable watching golf. Golf Jimmy I do, but not well so if you WANNA call it play Golf Shirt Yup I participate in the Gulf sports, but I don't play very well. I have a sane when I go out. You're seeing that mean were Bert and Ernie are in there. It's Bert and Ernie. MEAM and Ernie says the Bert you see that blank burt. You see that s word Burton. Okay, so it's a mean. The goes around I saw a couple of years ago and so now whenever we played Golf Carson and I and I hit a good shot. I always sell I always. Yell at him. You see that blackbird. He doesn't think I'm funny I. I like to make a long Putt or get it up on the green I'll be like you see that length, burt, no response, no reaction all right that. Is it for the dirt on Katie WB back tomorrow today. Show really fast for whatever reason thanks for listening to the show. We'll check out the Minnesota goodbye on the Minnesota Goodbye this morning. What are we talking about in the Messiah? Learning about Johnny's love language. Yes Jenny and the toilet seat up. Is this morning's Minnesota Goodbye, so check it out. It's wherever you get your podcast on Iheartradio. Just just google just search Minnesota. Good Vine, you mobile. Check that out. We'll see you tomorrow. The Dave Ryan in the morning. Show on, Katie WBZ, the twin cities number one hit music station. It's on, Google play. It's on your on anywhere. You can listen to the radio. We're there whether it's on a radio whether it's on Siri whether you got your Bob Dole smart device whatever check us out, just say hey, Alexa or whatever you call it. 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