20 Episode results for "Matt Roberts"

WTA Finals Day 5 - More Shenzhen misery, but Shapovalov cheers us up in Paris

The Tennis Podcast

33:26 min | 1 year ago

WTA Finals Day 5 - More Shenzhen misery, but Shapovalov cheers us up in Paris

"Editon is podcast listeners is at one month since Katherine Matt and Myself Got Pisano's but yes yeah oh it is sleek Hi I'm John McEnroe Schoenborn Donovan Alexander's verify delayed us because they got involved in an exciting match Matt Roberts Hello and myself were all watching it and having authors refused entry into history exams and Matt Roberts well leads of other stuff to talk trail more sadness kid is a snow I mean it's always a risk with end of year events but it yeah I mean I have run out of I mean it's a good job that Hanane is now going to have to replace the current rescue who officially any warning she was five three against Belinda bench everything was because she's sort of slightly Winston held held the lower part of a back but the girls when she pulled out of the second round and she and she had a really bad gastro intestinal she couldn't bend down fish fish shorts what she was struggling with I seven five-set felt a little bit out of the blee but I suppose not in the context of this the tennis isn't it it it was it was I'm sure a lot more safer it kind of buried it but it was yeah I mean she went winner there at the time not employable the tool that had she not even more distressing moments of the of the two thousand nine hundred and season be the champion and then about an hour and a half later when she lost her first match completely cut multiple Sunday delimited suggests that maybe Sutphin Kenan might win it just goes you the semifinals literally they hardly the last four players who happening in the ATP finals which has happened more the actually it's too much to do with the sense that they play it slams full-time year applying every week since the US Open I mean it's it's not it's not totally surprising rarely Asia and Europe she's going back and forth in that time I mean I think she was they're on these planes with all these must be pretty unhealthy circumstance so before that we had who else plight ghost flight Addison's and I mean she she basically folks that up she took over and it did outweigh the performance there was nothing of that today was that she was clinical she was ruthless other she spectacular drop off against buttons a couple of days ago fill all the more inexplicable because it was prices were biting into the call it was great I mean convertible was it just had enough if the whole thing you know remember I I particular indoor conditions on but it was just a whole studio Joe Julian and Catherine we're going to town on it because give them summit to work with at least make even at least make it medium if you're not gonNA make it quick it's certainly would have helped a more level playing new tennis courts to know whether it's an exact signs in October two thousand nineteen or whether it's ls have you know let suck it and see type thing I'll say thank you also get players going on a court and disagreeing about whether it's quick in Te- tennis court Zora saying hey we wanted to meet him talking yesterday Catherine I think about convicted for being unable to hit through the courts and I was yeah yeah and Jim Courier said he thought they'd slowed it down for John is ner which is one of direct people talk about come to slowing down or speeding the coal if they wanted to but yeah I was really his tennis is often considered to be pretty much the best when she's on most of the time you on a tennis court and you play average thinks she plays I don't think she plays that that more standard level while she can qualify for the finals as she does consistently but it's not necessarily before the semifinals because tomorrow is Lina which is no relevance really it's an exhibition floor engine show doing anything in your life that where the stakes were four hundred and fifty ground back to you know what they should do the maybe they should just say whoever wins leak having massages all day long it would be such a shame that with nothing so can his teeth are down the rabbit hole right so now Switzerland which leaner in the yeah and it's bench against the winner of group just I have the mental capacity to get flays above the next Gen Final Davis Cup finals and that was that was one of my favorite room that's that's my favorite rule change there about twelve years old and they can do what they're told as far as I'm concerned Moans at a Nice Jenny what anything is Hubert I've said so this Sinus beep Catherine told me that two minutes and basically I'm suddenly in a tennis match were you get the App you get happened then you just talk to the APP if noise day yeah so basically you WanNa get yourself a sonus being if you are great sound anyway let's move on to finish Alvin Alexander's verve which was slighty it was up see jam packed with people but it is it doesn't look like camera angle which is head height to the players and you get to see well actually I think and it was it was a good match I don't think very played well I'd say I did feel like that yeah even even if it was only subconsciously I for most is one thousand just subconsciously look I I want that kind of match to matter to him got walking out from the NS jumping up and down and and very didn't really ready to start art and he probably should have won in straight sets but this is a big deal to him this is the thinking was Indian Wells on Miami one of those two Miami Miami and again got a long way to go he's got another year and a half's worth of Mikhail Youzhny phone several Catherine I still think it's looking quite rule I still think the way he's playing right I hate that both set in for that I'm sure usually is professional tennis player Hey I don't understand how someone whose job you can call he's standing over the net it's a four hundred eighty he didn't even have to move the ball is sailing there wasn't even any space between him in the net but it bounced before the net it in your rubbish clay you playing doubles he missed that fully turnaround your partner and I understand I understand the agony of hitting made reference to some of that he has been involved in so many of my ball renewal coaching that much against Scammell feace the Kopecky court but relative to the the first call Electrifying it is best completely electrifying and I I may be I just tried Smith Strides for sure to knuckle down just fine ways to win points by the thing he looks certain whether it needs to come forward off it will stay back and he they season but they weren't too many today and I do think this since he started in time for Chiappa Battle of like he is getting a bit of momentum and we do see it a lot where Amelia the Roger Federer Exhibition Road trip yes they said in commentary chiappa valve if anybody needs a proper grownup off season social media not allowed to engage in normal society but just to be and taught how to be a pro- professional plan not just a vastly in who needs to become a proper pro yet he needs to go on a have you seen a documentary the edge until I'm I did look that up the food the which which would being the the England thima taking forever they didn't know where they were going sh at the time booked to them to go on the most despair in the woods and they were they were going to like October fest something they will headed to the full gang asking oh shops I would I would urge caution with extreme with the top instead of giving them the water he pulled it all away talk comedy I brought him up on this podcast ABC's training regime with Gil Reyes where he thought about running elsewhere today we had Novak Chunk of beating Katamon Brilliant first-set tie-break nine as you call really bad case of the leg sounds really opened his mouth but anyway we would really have known about it if it's very hard that his in his defeat and yeah it's Halloween today which is what occur playing rough on the Delta night we haven't seen that one yet sits passes one so sit surpass Jackovitch a joke of it yeah he's not one hundred percent tool so good against the minorities I'd say it's a good opportunity there's do that the traffic lights I'm not going to be done on that because Dimitrov so category of what on Earth Are we going to see from him we you gain Assia world-beating rego demonstra over an absolute shell of a man this week Dimitrov he lost then it's as if he saw that message. Fu He's having the will the rules changed around go take no if you in the top twenty wow how has that happened semi final of the US hyphen is various. Doesn't get a job. He likes which I thought was during football in Spain for Associated Press I think it is it for two week tournament with twenty four teams in the future he being with his competition and he added he'd be happy for Federa changed we give Basel a by through the early stages of yeah tennis podcast you in her

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The Morning Briefing: Monday, March 1

The Briefing

02:16 min | 5 months ago

The Morning Briefing: Monday, March 1

"Hello i'm danny boyle with the briefing from the telegraph. It's monday march. The first and the brazilian covid variants in britain sided with the hunts on health officials are searching for mystery covid patients there thought to be one of the first in the uk to have a brazilian variants of the virus. There were as it may spread more rapidly and vague vaccines six cases of so far being detected in britain about public health. England's admitted it's got no idea who one of the knees nor where they were tested. There's now a scramble to try to find them and track down hundreds of passengers on a series of connecting flights from brazil. Last month our science editor. Sarah napkins with nope everything we know about the strain main. Tell him we understand that over forties will stop being cooled for covid jabs as soon as this month. More than twenty million people have now had the vaccine that means the. Uk's on calls to offer jobs to everyone in the top nine priority groups almost a month before its targets. You can search for progress by postcode now by this time next week. The biggest royal interview in decades will have gone out the due to conduct chess of sussex of spike kentucky for winfrey after they decided to leave royal life in a clip released overnight. Prince harry said he's biggest. Fear was history repeating itself which is a reference to the death of his mother. You can watch that and another clip for megan to and over the past twelve months. The world's changed and so have our bodies whether you will someone who's belly left the sofa and you've kept up with home workouts challenges all you'll seeing and feeling the effects of the pandemic on your fitness personal training. Now matt roberts has written us a full week routine to get you back in shape and just talk to mention a couple of other bits. You might like all the winners golden globes. It was the crown that cleaned up and the five crafts that you can do at home to help alleviate anxiety right. that's the latest from the telegraph. Chris will have your second briefing of the day this evening.

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Inside Supercars - Show 288 Matt RobertsTickford Racing

Inside Supercars

24:21 min | 1 year ago

Inside Supercars - Show 288 Matt RobertsTickford Racing

"David Reynolds. You're listening to inside sue because. From the rice treks across Crowley at. He is inside COS-. Talking Greg revealed. Another week and another week On track and assorted on the streets, and Craig it's. Slow News time, but we got the super to calendar out last Friday anything else. You're aware of around the world smoke. Well, it's sad to see, but we'll Davidson is appearing to be a target of a road rage incident, so that's a terrible for wheel on top of the news that he lost his drive also that Van Bergen is back in Australia and in quarantine ahead of. The. June as we are in June now. The June return of the series that's great news. He's following the government procedures for forced quarantine. Since his return so he will be back in his own simulator, so that could change. Performance is currently leading the e series challenger. A series. Championship. Interesting that a few weeks ago, I spoke with Cameron Kelleher on inside. Super Khazni inside speedway, and we were talking about the World Rallycross Championship and how they've gone a and shame. Van Gives Bergen. Has. Won, the. World Rally Sport e Series Championships congratulations to him. He's making the most of his time cooped up. He on the ground at the invitational series. And Chelsea Cla was also part of that rising so If you want to know more about the a series and had the rally. Red Cross you can go to inside Motorsport at Sport Sport, radio DOT com today you as I said we spoke to Cameron Kelleher who's in charge of that series and he went into a lot of detail about how they were putting together their a series, and and why just going with the regular competitors were going to pick the best draw as I could find, and also some media social media influences from around the world to to help. Give it a bit of Give it a bit of coverage back to the world of real motoracing that not involving just electrolytic the incident. Super to last Friday The calendar was released revised calendar for twenty twenty at instead of being a seven round series is now five of course I've had like soupy causses already had one red days at Adelaide. They had their first round with a CA- stinky, one two of the of the rices late support school. The five round series was obviously Adelaide next. Is Winton in July when they returned to drag followed by Tyler Ben Winning coast, the event will be Gerow. It'll be going there for so whether it's going to be a five hundred K.. Right Shit, I, believe Craig. To. Finally the last two events of Zig to will be fastest or layer tight so eleven. With a traditional. Crisis and then actually the hefner traditional to rise I changed to a single rice. Canning the single rice this year anyway and going to run. Yes, it has a double and then finally sat Adam December twelve thirteen. We'll be their last round of the super to series. I think will be three ranch to go. The third last infamous 'cause, so that's. Interesting to say that good to see Suda cast to. We'll be back on track. And as part of a preparation for in the cows returned drake, we talked to many Robert said. We tilt early this week two or last week rather to back. Donald from walken shows this week. It's Matt Roberts from ticket rising. Tells US see. The things that they've got to get ready and he's going to obey. When they return on track, which obviously we have very different environment. Where they will coast, one of the biggest things is? Long. WE TWENTY-THREE RADIO RE boost mobile. Alley Ford Mustang at James Coach on board. It must be great. We getting merely back to work. Back on the rice cows workshop. Vo Two Times. We go. Ahead of it saving. The, Counselor Guard. triumphal months ago on track it I recon. Air Just go into a colleague, fix. Some out of the ground. Diana Boys A. Little bit of work You know converting twenty three into forty four. All things that. You know, don't read to Black and silver and. Oranges and and whatnot and. Race, bickering trucks and bowls and bits and pieces others actually a bit of work to be done. Yeah should. You mentioned that you've been working your. Rejuvenating your workshop. It's a very large workshop or how many blogs on the aura jurisdiction? I'm. Fifty five in the workshop. Incoming probably ten plus every bit of a rape model and a rate that we. We. took the unity in Team to sort of. The. Go to win ahead. With the flow of the. Grew from there ended up quitting partition, old and bill groups and. went through the workshop. The actually come up with trait. Toys and Benches and whatnot kits. Quite a few of the Gods very busy in these periods. Thanks. About the Outer Cape Working. To do quite a few go because we have quite a few on now. There's actually born. To be working, believe it or not. Being thankful for working. With. Achieved a tremendous amount of You Know I. Can the factory. Had talked to them until content tactics. Anyone actually is in the area the. Dropping now it's actually really not Which I'm glad to be part of it. Well. I said they will look forward to doing that. As you know. Over the years I have been times, trump in in the orient minnows. Campbell failed up. How many have sort of been working through obviously vader restricted stock. To get this. Done. Yeah, we had at this time. We had a better house thousand king. As we into what? We. Call it upon you know. Thousand cuddled. working. So that's been good tonight. It's not. Just to get him into work. Having, we have been working on the. all that all. That was cool to a bit of a two sided. professional paintings and been different things that actually doing something. Different to. Today writing. Were any of the guys moved over to the the tick. Cobb business and doing some of the upgrades on the the raptors and mustangs, and those sorts of things, or was it a? Reunion shop or L. Off on the job, caper and homeschooling. Yeah I, don't WanNa. Well They rent with. The NBA. Slowed up everywhere. You look, so we haven't had to. Go into the automatic thought although I have actually. during the believe it or not, so I had a couple of. The WACO TO I didn't have much. decided to ramp up for them, they're fully equipped. They've got you know. It's rainfall. Guys on the floor. You know the mocking team behind any and. This the now. that. Call on the right a whole lot. We do do a little bit. you know when when it comes to the engineering side we do. offer them. They've got some big projects coming on pretty exciting Collaboration. yeah. Thing solely. workshop. reminding. So that they fortunate that. A lot of teams have talked to us about. Walk Buddha's. Bob would have likely happened if that job didn't come about, it could have really. Not, only the motorsport industry, but it really could have caused chaos wrought across all types of industries in Australia. Yeah. GonNa, look. Right and it's been probably go for me. yeah, like you say thankfully duct tape. Sustain the lot of the pack. it hasn't taken the full brunt of thanking me wrong is going to be some. Not just that other teams going to have to make them hot coal. Coming Month the the state where you you know with on. Lie We, can. Still no one really knows what the full effect is GonNa pay. we're only district the beginning really even now. We're trained on into it. 'cause, it's still a long road ahead. you know we're talking the other day at work? This is the twelve months. To right before. Sort of back to some. Sort of normality in you know strongly work for. PUT ON Put Up Day and just knuckle Dan and Gone through it really. So now that you are. Given a race dot dight, and there is some certainty around the first part of the return. What's the workshop looked like how a you managing to still maintain the four and a half meters to maintain all the things that are required in Victorian in the Victorian situation whilst getting everything ready to go to sit him out of smallpox. Fortunately we've? been on our agenda to trae wake within. lying at the workshop. We're going to be doing Li Li Breaks and lunch, break and dot. coms finish this. 'cause we have such a large team when they to the dog split Engineering Group Bell. HAVE DIFFERENT DOT com and the different going and lunch. You know the cool mechanic grew. Gauze. Cool it all. Time through with the machine, shop and fabrication. Etc.. We're fortunate. We've got A large workshop. I would maximize. The ruling. The Amana people in. A. Different. risk areas. I would have You know more people in in other areas and and. It's GonNa be challenging with Actually Code on rich, he's They don't say which breaking on now. companies we've. We've got Or automated one. And number put them trapped the workshop. I, uphold the. You know the treaty powder for cleanliness. Play. That 'cause. It's going to be coming forward because. You know everyone? Can Afford to have anyone. Come down the virus because it'll just. Shot down. And we're going to be. A back to full. You know in the coming wake. probably thought to bring everyone back now. Love at the moment. so you're coming or not you know I will say a lot of them went through. Cry and. Hopefully you can follow the guidelines. Direct Protocol. Interesting, Steve Richards is back at hyme in his. Well. He's in his old hunting-ground. Unfortunate for recharge. Innocent Victim. Of the Of workforce's in and around. Yeah unfortunate rich you he's. he's got a lot of contacts and. He'll land somewhere anyway. Lucky is gripe like You know I'm very Kinda to whatever. You look. You can always rely on into two counters. Food thankful we'll talking to you know just. Out of the blue and he's. Good on him at the moment. For him, one of the key things that came. About as photo that you can pay, have many his pitstops. You obviously will have gone up a a shadow of how you get your guys back to spayed. we he that you know obviously Ba'athists will require a full roundup mostly. Every time is be ties early that what you've been hearing. Her Her Back to the fact, that was you know probably. Ten years ago retired legal and start. Or whatever? I think it's exciting. really the right thing back in You know it's the right line as much as it was on the track probably. Thing is important in other times during the right thing in the last couple of years that now, and it'd be more important than. The pressures on the drive at stuff on the mark. And that was you know the? Top priority when we get back to the right thing. Picked up and gone. Up Gone for the last nine months. We'll get into mom rigorous training and Get, them Flinging the gun so? That it runs looking forward to. Change. Because made it to. Really need to. That's up to them to Mike in the challenge it. And I think it's good for the sport to. CHANGES IN THE COMING OUT WITH A. Big starting the head. In Dade. Ami guys will likely be in the? Remind a full gotten paid. Stop get back to two guns. Do you think? I think you'll see. Back to gone. Out Sprint Rice and When you get to zero rice. You be back to your full gun. but I think it I think they're talking about going back to just the. The full guys. The full wheel gone until young Danley. Gone you're doing? Repairs at the same time as doing wheels. You know Y- goes. On the right looking at during repent or If, you're coming in for. Labor rights and need to come in Qatar, only probably have a wheel fitter one. Thought. You can act to answer. To totaling the line I think that's what they're looking at doing. Nothing confirmed yet. Yeah White and say. The talent made was still a five hundred. Is that what you're hearing? I'm likely I'm not show. haven't heard what the basis is dean euros. Being very very cautious in projecting that far ahead in the calendar I JUST WANNA get. This I just want to get onto why rising with a couple of rounds. and. Just Hike I. Well The the three and euros as as were When the time comes and yeah I haven't been in the fog hundred. as an Indira. Matt, it's fascinating. Last year we saw the one thousand is the first Jiro and that that created a whole bunch of its challenges for everyone. Did you last year that at the moment you're GonNa have to implement to make sure the one thousand goes off without a hitch. Everyone. Everyone SORTA, well US two hundred. As the warm up. You drive a change practice you. Practice. lachey store. Lucky going one. Way Did? She so we were fortunate. You know we. We traded both the tenses. As meteorologist. We normally only one Georgia You know we. We actually focused on older one content which innate. To, you know to come on token nine. and. fortunate property. Wild with you know we had a very good campaign. We had all very fast cars during the right. as you as you were saying the too laid. I had a little bit of a new pop. Show when. You know the tremendous essential that. teakwood rising. County endurance rising We're doing quite low have. Back. Even you know looking back at the land same you know we. We caught up in fighting allies in Europe thrice, and so we Very methodical in the way we in our approach to. Run Texas very seriously and. You. Practice. on my. and. Geez amy or get a test a product about. No negative we tried to. We try to get that one across the lawn. That I often Yeah, it's tasting Dan to let him take. pay. After that which? At the end of the. Being doing these long time, the ready to go and now. In The called waves. Truck and guy, rice and Speaking of city as pack they've been rivers flying. As you know, the do a regular basis that towns don't cow head, which is due for the end of August We actually interviewed Clayton Matthews earlier this week. and there were a couple of things. that. He didn't allude to, but it might be that that not. My out later second one in this series for ferocity motorcycle, which will be pretty amazing, wasn't it? yeah, that went off for that couple. and. Everyone's looking forward to it again. It's it's quite good time It's a different element forever and again. And Doing ups in the Dhakal rising doc. It's a different elements. cancel I haven't heard I thought it was up to me. Seek around the county. We need to you know. Try and attempt to do it at least for you know just. That are trying to hold these rights and. It, you know produced inside gene. Just the local economies and they're the ones that we. Look at four and protect. Economy if we don't do that now, you know we've got not. Get a chance to go back there and he used to come. Trying to tend to have these rices Like I said. Looking. That far ahead and calendar. I think we of got to be a little bit cackled, but since the. Full Rights Don. Taken as they come obviously is. Rice tracks pike. You know enormous man of How To build them of they straight ticket. but yeah you sorta go. Guy For when the on comes if if if A. Person's clean guy for if it's not then looking down. Luckily, we gotta pull the. Guy someway saiful. Whether the. If GONNA be allowed to return. Being supported because. They're the reason why we can't get. Supported in the ninth important part of you know in sponsons. Important COPs now writing Backup. Matt does feel a little bit like Melvin. Doesn't that we? They got that Mexican, standoff, where supercars will they happy to turn up? They WanNa get the sanction fee. Towns will and doesn't want to have to pay the sanction fee for cancelling and the quaint government who are also a partner to. It doesn't want to pay the face. It almost seems like everyone's everyone's waiting. Until the trucks have to roll and Do we turn ride a lifted acquainted. Do We guy past Sydney for you guys down in Victoria? Yeah try. You know we'll go to be frequently for. You know light on the ground right now. It's just. Can't. Get. He's He's twenty five dollars and got it right seeing. trained on on that. If it doesn't happen all that money, they often. That's not the that's not what anyone going to do. I. GotTa be careful. The government's gotta be cancelled and because to time on. Tricky situation around five fifty. Yeah because when guy racing At this at the same time they've run. Health is is equally important. Obviously mentioned about getting the must stay James Courtney boost. Sate fitting with Malaysia. India. Attack Fold with the other Guy Ray. Waiting to. Hear from. The quake Queensland borders whether they have sort of relaxed a little bit Wired. We've got a little bit him up at plays. you know gravity? No, can I have a guy? On out any munitions, but Yeah, fortunately he's Pretty. Rice! Done by rights Taking Zealand. Dejected loaded. platform got on the US That's going to go. A lot of time in treatment. Fortunately for us, you know control chassis made. Plug. In cuddle and He's You know it's pretty these up whether it's. Easier woken choice it alcohol what he had to take nine so. I'm not too worried about heart. Probably what I'm more concerned about is you know I have. Read Halley guys. Sit Out because he's not going to have a lot of time, he's going to have. Practice. Ninety ninety two practice sessions before he shot the qualifying. You have. Time to get his head around what COM THEY What does? The high and everything is tightening now fortunately. He's he shouldn't tycoon little. Obviously they. Were coming out of the book. proven quickly. She will united in the top five. Recessions since the ban. had a strong clips who and he was on a good show I j you talk for top train. qualley wanted to. You know. The. or for him James To. Speak out where we'll less than You know just just. Like he's. Into results will come you with this. Going to just got to be patient and You know white everyone to Gel 'cause. You know being incoming with him is is going to take? Brandon would be one of the linchpins in that site and crew car everything. will be jumping with him. But we haven't own crews yet because. Like you said it's GonNa. Be a reduction in travelling. Stop, but Yeah Brennan certainly certainly. can be running giants phasing. He's doing a long time Same Pool. A lot of stress and yeah. Right so get on well together Saying you dramas, then with is pretty pretty gone. Yeah they both professionals like they said L. With what I need to do. Get the job done. Do you know James at all and have any idea what he likes and dislikes in a car and setup now? TIMES, You! You will learn crossing twenty day. Charlie was a customer of. unfortunately now they've had the. Chance to work with with you. Know we won't, be in my. for the LAS Norte knees lighting. His Hind by thing and. I've been around. finished will. woken in ten years. You know he's a why. Aren't bank. But yeah! It shouldn't hike into long TERM DEBT TO AL In a very easy going things and now it. Will how you guys. met S made wonderful Vha to join US tonight I get a chance to talk before city. Back in June. I'm sure that. You'll fourth will will be up there. Running up. The that's helping. We'll beheaded as well. Thanks so much for joining us. Matt Roberts of ticket rising We look forward to what she we watch it live. I'd love foxtail subscriber I've it might be on free to dot. Not Those Day tells you. Do you have any details on what's going to go live to obviously will. Now I haven't heard had had the TV in a work. On the I think it's going to be pretty big whether they on folks, so you're not afraid that way and Yeah kind of whites to get back rice inside. The fans will be watching the other way. We can hook you up with a folks. Healthy description might. Young. and. He's. Certainly a daunting job for Matt and for every team manager at least getting ready for this time when they've got excite prepared to get out there and rice. Get crews already before head without having too much in the way of social contact. It's a daunting task. Greg I'm sure you'd want. You not be wanting to say on me, wouldn't. Now. It'll be interesting how they balanced it, but the teams have been working very. Very well and being structuring it, and they've had time now to think about what the rules that are, of course, the rules being different between. Queensland. New South wiles for the Aubrey team. Brad Jones and then for the other team Standing Victoria so. It was interesting that the AFL made a decision that we're going to run, and because Victoria was the tortoise stone controls. They said that every other club had to a by. A by Victorian rule was for training It's very interesting to say. The Subic House having tried to put something locked implies, and it would seem that all the teams of work that help themselves. Getting started now is about the right time to get ready to go racing at the end of the month. Two for this week on the inside said because I hope you'll join us again next week when we'll bring you more interviews from those inside civic guys, that's it for me and good not from him inside super cazes produced by thunder media shooting next time for more or locking the podcast on itunes or mobile device search inside supercars. 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French Open Day 4  Heartbreak for Bertens; Wawrinka sends a message; Why are the stands so empty?

The Tennis Podcast

31:49 min | 2 years ago

French Open Day 4 Heartbreak for Bertens; Wawrinka sends a message; Why are the stands so empty?

"Hi, I'm John McEnroe's board. This is Martina. Navratilova I'm massive Lander. I'm stunned by I'm Lleyton Hewitt. I'm Andy Murray, and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Hello. Today. Four if the French Open twenty nineteen where you find myself Catamarca Matt Roberts. No David law. He's asked us to let you know that he's not just shirking his responsibilities. He's tied up with queens responsibilities back in London. Although we happen today. That, that's not what he's doing this precise moment. Matt he is. Hugh Jackman slash greatest. Showman sing along. Yeah. He claims it's for his kids, but we've had photographic evidence of him looking first of all quite miserable survey there. And then ecstatic to be then David Lowe holding glow steak. Never thought I'd see the day, Simon breaks, also otherwise detained because the British press of furiously white writing away following Jones's success. She three to the third round of the friendship in for the first time that's a full house. The her in terms of grand slam. Third round she had a few nervous nobles closing it out in a in a really bizarre match against Lauren Davis. Three very one-sided sets. I in favor of conscious favourite favor of David's third in favor of Concer. Again, she is three Matt to face, not one of the tournament favorites KiKi Burton's around three but to face Victoria, Kuzma, ver-. Yes, I'm breaks, I think the term is has slid into my DM's to find. Find out some information about Kosovo be some sort of correspondent, Matt or spun didn't I think. I think you're in mood mounting is may the bismuth Cosmo. We've got to get this right now. I think I am essentially her PR. She just doesn't know it. She just doesn't know it and I was Mike Dixon, if the Daily Mail on the phone, he's saying get me Matt Roberts, exactly because, yes, very dramatic and to be honest really unfortunate circumstances with KiKi Burton's who four games into the match and she was clearly suffering during those four games, she took to the chair and didn't play another point. She says that I'm shaking. I don't have any power and she eventually retired there on the spots. And the reason she's given is that she got sick in the nights. She woke up about three o'clock, and she was formatting had diarrhea had it throughout the day before the match. I thought she'd give it a go. But then it rid ugly head, again during the match and she just couldn't compete, and it was a really, really sad. Sites to be honest for someone. I mean it'd be sad for anyone particularly KiKi buttons. He's been such good Forman came in here has one of the favorites for the title. David Lewis, pick for the title Shia when she took to the chair is he said four games I think trailing three one. She was actually already packing up her staff before the physician. The doctor had made it to the core, it seemed clear that there was no way in this. They came onto with some sort of magic beans. There was absolutely no way. She was going to be carrying on. I mean I mean, I guess, at least it was clear, the decision was clear-cut for her seemed that there was no other option for that moment. I mean. She said its stomach flu. And I believe I mean, she looks pay. She wanted the sheet, and she looked to me like what she was having some kind of panic attack. It looked like yeah. That's what it looked like to me. She hasn't used as words and I think probably there, there, whether it was a panic attack, or not, if you're, you know, on the biggest stage of your life, probably the biggest tournament of life, given the hype around etcetera etcetera, and you realize you're unable to, to even compete, how could you not panic? I mean, see Merrin Chile in the Wimbledon final a couple of years ago so being Soviet into town, the, the change of ends the realize Asian that he just wasn't not any busy not going to win, but he wasn't even going to be able to give it his best shot. It's. The physical and the mental are linked and. Kiki buttons who supplier who as a journalist, put it to me today? You know, she would probably prefer to be on sixteen to being on cynical. That's just a personality. That means she will never hit the heights will always hold her back or conc- program. Herself to cope with it. I think she's already come ov-. She's already got over a long I think what was holding back from being the player. She she's now is was her head and she's got to this stage now where she's a top five player. So it's possible that she could then make that extra lead. But I just I just felt really sorry for that. She was she was sobbing and could see the red behind there is it was just such a difficult uncomfortable situation and then insult to injury. She gets put in a holding room waiting for Roger Federer to finish off his four hundred languages in, in press conference. She, she is ready to come to partially get school to the press room. But all old road is still bring away, babbling away in French and Swiss German. And in fact, I think he was still talking English when keeper arrive, she was waiting in a holding them for good twenty minutes because federal what he was saying. It was interesting. Yeah. I don't think he buttons where we wanted to come to press. Immediately afterwards offender, and the future if you'll hearing sound effects that you don't usually hear on twenty nineteen French Open daily pauses because Matenaer out in the open. We've braved it. It's because it's gone nine o'clock at night. And most of the crowds dispersed is no way would have been braving these territories at three pm today when I was stuck in an absolute throng trying to make it from Simone mature back to Philip chat Chatree. I mean, it was stationed re-traffic for quite long period. And I guess, through the people that had tickets to be watching tennis. We're preferring to be just sort of circulating the grounds aimlessly because there was an awful lot of great tennis happening today that people want watching. Needs to be some kind of rule. We were saying what we how people need to spend a certain amount of time. Duration rule just as much as anything to alleviate, the, the jams and the flow of people that is run on gas ground time limit on lunch that we spend twenty minutes eating your sandwich now. Get back in there and tennis. The, the good news now I hate to put any kind of positive spin on, on a great trauma and disappointment the Burton's, but it is to the benefit, Matt, if the great Victoria, mother. Indeed. I have I mean this. I don't really know how to feel. And I'm feeling shame to myself. It's the motivation preview wrong. I think that is got her this far. I think it is. She must have seen predictions thoughts. Stream sca. But that is a that is a very interesting match now against Joe Kempton, a huge opportunity for both. Kuzma is the kind of player who you have to get moving. Halla completely took her power unexploited, her pretty poll movement in Madrid sixty six love. I'm not sure come to will do that against because. Game plan is it could turn into a bit of a hitching contest. And he's got a twinkling is essentially backing Kuzma on that one. Well, we've, we've nailed the pronunciation of her name, that is step number one for the tennis podcasts association with Vittori mover elsewhere, we stick with the women's mar. I mean, in that our there was all sorts going on. We had Greg Oden show of marriage Schilit having Ciocca Thon out on so much eventually won by Greg Dimitrov. What else to be happening in what else is happening in that mad our Belinda bench got us in a spot of other? I believe she still in sports that much her much with Lorcy was moved to shut trae to replace that KiKi buttons, Victoria, coups move much that never quite going. I'm going to check the scoring that much Matt. Okay. Well, I can see it on a screen, but being out. See the school because I'm looking in a screen, and it's like a mirror affects and it looks like they're both left hand. So the school, I'm sure would be backwards as well. So I will wait for you. It's comes to that one. She is full three break up in the third, but thirty forty thousand seat through on Chateau and Liam Maya and Jaeger Schwartzman also looks embattled predictably three all in the fourth. That demonstra of Chile match reminded me very much of if you've ever seen a video of people holding electric shock bulls, where they then have to answer question, and then pass it on the other person. The electric short bowl was the lead in that match whenever they had the lead. They just throw it person. And I want to other ones that you have, and it was an absolute masterclass from both of them and how not to play with the lead and even I feel bad, because when Dench off his break off in the faith. I said. Yes. Nine. Another break, and so the match with a double break and law serve, and then chipped gave it back to hand in the match, but on a route bigwigs his first top thirty five win of the season and his first top twenty win since April twenty eighteen. Wow. Wow. Geneva qualifying? Wow. Where else where we next without seeing around, she, we stay on Simone. Mature I started table Steph no sits pass out there in one of the most entertaining much is I've seen close up this year really against I know Hugo, Hugo's gonna say, Gita, that's Pella, Hugo. I just don't want to butcher in Delhi, Delhi. Enter, I believe in Tennessee arrive, I've ever heard over think, and a frontal hadn't heard of before this week, despite the these eighty four in the world, and that's a real evidence of how you can get your ranking by playing pretty much exclusively challenger events. Yeah. He's growing away on the Chinese Shittu all a lot of his best results coming on clay. And as you said, God, his ranking up to eighty and it's just it's just outside of that number where you're going to be seeing them regularly. So we're only really going to get to see on the main tool slams with that ranking in the c- qualifies for some events. But good more of de Leon. So great dropshot dragon. Hang on to keep that name, we give that name to Jerusha. It has room for one in the bag competing for the new show in. And he's bachelor he just would he twisted his ankle really badly after onto win the first that yeah, it was just a remark. What effort from him and sits passer action at the end. He gave it a huge fist-bump huge role. He knew he was in Basle today. He did a spoke to him straight after the match in the in the corner of the coach, actually. And he I mean. Yeah, he, he kept on referencing the fact that he'd beaten a true clay-court specialists. He said, I'm not play clay-court, especially so to be a real clay-court'specialist that almost like a. Almost like a kind of right of passage for him at Roland Garros, and he said he was not pleased himself at the way he failed to contain his emotions, particularly in the third set you had an altercation with the net for which he received a warning. And a lot of boos from this much a crowd. I mean, he didn't seem tickly phased by that he's in his own little world isn't he although he does he does remark upon it when he receives a little crowd support. But he, he didn't to me seem cowed. A tool by the booing French I say throngs, but actually it was hard full am I couldn't get my head around the fact that the stadiums awful for that much. But yeah, we've made the point there. I think. Yeah. I think he cares. Doesn't. He what people think because he, there was that he gave of his first round match. He said, I love the fact that they really appreciating my tennis, and that I'm that I'm playing with a flourish may appreciate it. But I think in the moment, his his match instincts are so good that he's able to. To ignore that. But afterwards, you know. A minute after finishing the match speaking to you talking about it. Clearly, it must be on his mind. Reflective, I mean he's just an absolute treat to speak to. He's on a collision course not quite yet. But a fourth-round collision course with Stanford Brinker who dismissed the challenge of another would putting with putting Christian Garin in the clay-court, especially category. Absolutely. Just threw him out with the bins. It was it was stone levering of twenty fifteen. Yeah. He said it. He was crunching the ball and not missing. And that is a combination that yeah. Everyone. Can he will beat everyone if he if he's a obviously, a big, if but that tennis, beats everyone draw is going to have to beat everyone. To win this thing. Because Demetrio next then that sit surpass collision course and then the trio federa Nadal Djokovic, publicly guy. He can. I mean we might be getting ahead of ourselves. I thought this about we do. I've thought about over this year, he's ready to unleash his biggest invest tennis on the world. Once again and yet then the next match the next tournament, he's not quite had. It did you see his little boy in the crowd off towards. I didn't. He was signing autographs side, and it was absolutely packed and a real actor bit of a crush at the front. And this little boy, probably was really bad guessing ages. But probably about six or seven during a little baseball cap. And he was so being he was so being his, he couldn't reach just inequality and he couldn't reach up to, to get his to get noticed vice number and Kunis just having a cry. And STAN, literally picked him up by the by under his arms and put him on the crowd and he's still sobbing away. You can see the shoulders heaving as he subs way. And, and STAN puts his own. Round him and takes him to one side and signed his autograph in really, really got me. Brutal on the coast, then this that will solve company teddy. Contrast basically have in my notes for be afraid be very afraid. In particular, Stephanos sits pants. I just give me that match right now. He's just an obstacle on route to the match that everyone's to say, I'm looking forward to that much which one. Rancor. Yes, I'm looking for. And actually, they've played they played at Wimbledon and the US open first round. I think. Cohen them both. So there's the motivation for critical to try and stop that speaking of former champions, who perhaps a little bit unexpectedly. Catching is mcgary throw anyone. Yes, she caught my eye. What's that match quite a bit of that match today? And I was really impressed with how she wasn't just going for winners. He was building points. And she, I said that impresses, well and just a really efficient under the rado win, and, which is what we completely not used to sing from exactly what's been missing. And the problem is, she's got spit Selena next who in Maine, draws, she has a five one losing record against but. And she played on Sunday that, that actual be Friday different tournaments silliness, opponent Kozlova Lena is. Yeah. Her opponent 'cause retrea just ahead of the Joe match on Long Island this morning. So I mean I'd pay cause liver to get upset there because I really think fiddling undercooked for, for this tournament at best and it was quite injured and any, she loves it so much that she's props forcing the issue a little bit. So I reckon McGrath is coming through them, and despite that losing record she has against visiting Moog Ruth said, which I think's really positive it's the type of match I want to play. She's not had a huge amount of really big matches slams recently because she's not benefactor and now she's got one little bubble that made it through in, in straight-sets. She was nervous. They in that second set. She was racing ahead with an ended up somehow in a second set tiebreak with SARS best Tormo made it through the. What else have we had on the women's side? Kiki identity is gonna to and one to Petra, montichorno Montjuich see play there. But I thought maybe we saw Cheboygan in her corner. There were some good signs ROY Moore there. I think that's a massive disappointment for Madonna, vich push again. She's just doing her thing to into the Kuch making way through the door. In fact, that much on C you a Simone much immediately after sit surpass, and I was making my way through the bowels of the so much court after during the flash interviews. It's fast trying to trying to exit and it was sort of pushed to one side by security guard because of the oncoming push giver, and Cuccia. They were making their way onto court for the match and there wasn't room for for, for a berth of two in the corridor, and I was sort of ended up sort of straddled flat against the wall and an push broke out, laugh, she saw happening. She broke out laughing unusual. The rule is, if you if you see a tennis player pre-match, don't even make contact. I mean, the funniest thing in the world could happen. And they just wouldn't even notice because game face on, and she broke out laughing and the whole thing was completely hilarious. And I thought, well, she's winning that tennis match. Then possibly and quite possibly tournament to into for her. Ilise, Mertens one. She's she still in the mix. She's in the mix, but she's dressed like his twenty sixteen with zebra outfit happens. She's she's, she's inspired. Even team survivor one Vondry shiver is well, she's doing that thing if just quietly winning through that was a match between one of six teenagers in the women's draw made it through to round two as we are these noises that sound like Lori. Reversing earn fact actually, the very frequent sound of bins, bins bins being dragged around. Guarantees in there. Really stylish bins but I can't tell you how annoying it is just filmed the perfect link and one of them sales into the back of shorts ruining it forever. Moon hits the Cussing renew with a third back to the men's Nidal, one was brilliant. Apparently, it's a it's a superstition thing he likes to play one match every year on Long Island. He asks today that I was looking at his record. He's played I could only find the thousand nine every year since back going back to that he's played at least one and, you know he's lost his eighty eight thousand two. Now, the French Open, but he's never lost Longland and his his stats on island are just as dominant as they are. And I was looking as well. If you take his whole French Open record. He's now won just over twenty five percent of his sets here. Six one or six love. Which is another indication of his awesome dominance. Jor remains kind to him doesn't enough. Okay. Okay. Who had either might be trouble bycatch Menovich, but not? So he's very well this week or fan. I don't think he has the artillery to trouble in the night. No quite the artillery. Having but. But I think he's going to be mincemeat pray. Kiss. Nettles just not made his business. I think I believe it's going to take a either a herculean physical performance the like of which I need Jakovich could probably pull off all a bulldozing performance, the like of, which may be any Rinker, although portray can pull and actually we should say, on Grinker, he doesn't have a good record against doll even when he is playing that. Well, I think he's Bates him even though strain, Oakland final didn't even had ours was hampered by that back. If there's one player. Hits, probably don't I would say. Put a pin in that for now federal four three and four against Oscar order to let pronunciation by Boris Becker icon now not saying in a comedy German accent, I simply owned it, it, it was a decent match federal it. Good, I watched him in practice before the match, and he was he was doing comedy, grunting will I interpreted it? It's comedy Goerner thing because it seemed wholly unnecessary for me us playing dago Schwartzman. He was also blazing granting, but it seemed less less comedy. What was going on? But it was great fun. What he did in the match was channel is Pete Sampras by breaking right? At the end of each set. He just I think Pete Sampras isn't think he had four break points in the match three games and he broke in every gaming points. He was just just so officiant. He's just which is probably the opposite of some of the issues that he's this past match the Australian in big matches veterans, breakpoint version, I think, to bit of an issue for him. But today it was it wasn't a Big Mac about four hours, impress after say must be feeling pretty relaxed. Happy chuffed with the way things are going to the next he well, interestingly, he plays casper rude, and he was asked, what does he know about cash Peru? And he says, I know more about his father Krisztian rude, because Christine Roo's father was in the draw of the French Open in nineteen ninety nine when federal made his debut. No, it is a bonkers stat. I mean I do wonder whether someone's ever played a father and father, some unfortunately, federal didn't play Christian Ruud mind, goodness. That's the best stunt of all time is no status. Fact. Oh, I can't I can't take credit for it. I think I think Chris Clarry, modicum with that one but yeah, it's, it's a fantastic fantastic loan. Another line, we've had today. Cursive, pay is. That's the first opponent federal ever played his name. He sun begins with. Oh, yeah. The most incredible. And people come to the tennis focus for isn't it just needs to plan beginning with, with the complete the set the alphabet grand slam? I've seen he's sent him with axe. Answers on a postcard tennis podcast. Nishikori one in four sets over Joe Wilfred Songa is good, much never quite caught completely on fire, but there were embers there was no. Okay. And, and I I if he keeps progressing, I will be asking him about it, the pressure will be piled on. We had oh to bit of Frenchie wash. I do. Like for. Geez. Talking about Nico who pick your friend. She far away Chikouna. I was suddenly aware had one, because I saw his son on court again, seems to be the wheels him out at every opportunity, every time he wins. That he's into third rounds for the second time here and he's sixteen times as a big deal for my who to be in the third round and how is bad doing? Because when we started recording, and that I think was at eight all in the fifth it's no longer alive mats that we have a result. I'm scrolling. I'm scroll labor into this award winning radio. I'm scrolling. Scrolling goodness, me what cool on. This is scrolling. Fourteen Guinness meal menu unqoute nine keep going keep hold up the airwaves. So my who actually paid really well. And he was eleven Evans and Nori one in the doubles. Well. Carry on. It was it was cool to see my who playing serve volley tennis on clay court and winning with it. And I thought the irony is that he might be going further in this tournament than airbag, and given that they split so could focus on his singles. But with still seeking confirmation, which join to play bingo. So the last time you check the school. It was a tool in the fifth between Ben more NPR is that given the rest is. What do you think happened? I think one yeah, give me a school given. The I'm going to say eleven nine that is ridiculous. That is that is that the dot is correct? We should have just gone should've just said that with confidence. And then we wouldn't have had to look it up for it, and where we go from here is it was eleven nine in the fifth, man. That's I mean. Amazing. It was. It was it was a nother example of quite a load of choking going on which today. I tell you what, pass by the lotta tennis he has this year, and these two weeks was mounting his comeback from two sets down my mind went back to remember that year. Tommy Robredo won three matches in a row from two sets down. The Frank show and definitely couple of the against facing and macaroni. And I suddenly thought I Bez, two thirds of the way, if he can get this fit set. But as close that one else, any other Frenchie business that we want to cover or business of any nationality lying, frankly, before we just give it quick rundown. The order play tomorrow, more bad news in the women's draw that undress coups had to withdraw with a shoulder injury which is a different injury to to what kept around the same injury shoulder injury. But she said after the first round that it was fun. And then she put out of doubles, maybe this morning and then put out of the singles afternoons, Kenan gets a walk over there into the next round, but always worries me when young players having juries, because we've seen it so often, the main one that comes to mind in the men's Kakinada. Absolutely. So I really hope that she can get over. Injury troubles push through the injuries folks tempting to feel like, oh my gosh. Time's running out to get out there and play these play these stones but yeah play for tomorrow. Dominic team starts against boob lick on Shenzhou a lot of people saying that if you to give shelter tomorrow, you might be we disappoint pointed unless maybe a French, but as soon Williams is out there. She plays Karimi Norris pitchy. Patchy one Tokyo earlier. He said Serena is just crippled with those in that first round much she she really put him through. I think he was and no eight. And no eight of. He said it was an awful performance, but on within upwards, he said, she is still in pain. The knee is to calling causing but the he thinks it's pain she can play with. So we will say creaming our efforts, Maury Garcia, and blink Uva and Clinton employees rantings of on Chateau Asaka as a rancor starts on long land place to be place to be fully by Jovic against Lexington Mana on fees. That's Frenchie watch we'll be focused tomorrow. And then Hallett and Lynette elsewhere you very on mature studies again. Mature, I'm pleased to see that dope. Poachers world, Madison keys, sub linka and a smoker. Run of Austrailia Knipe match won by Anisimov over probably the star to the rose this season. For sampling was, that's a replay. That much parties out in court one, as well for Daska Fanini. Kyle Edmund kicks things of on coot number six. I believe he's a Hyun public Cuevas reading, caller win. He. I think I mean. Fencing, but that really is toss. The coin played. I mean, I think is going to be a lot of feeling feeling one another out. But if Carl has that look in his I had yesterday morning, then back in. You know what I think once I've seen him on the practical. It's, it's been the tennis podcast day for the French Open boot unison with telegraph are better joint breaks. Enjoy conscious press conference what she's good say about reaching the round of the French Open here for the first time we bought Tunisair with Matt Scott Rio with a y a reminder David asked me to tell you, these not, he's not just not at the French savings, fancier he will come here. One day. He's just very busy and important elsewhere, we will have on the Pocos won't be at some stage. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, it for a few more days, just until the kids, my only have Kuzma, for right? Yes. Get my change. My yours. Next tuesday. She's the newest depend coma. She's insatiably. I mean I actually can. Matt's having thoughts people. He's having with this dissociation intangibles dot com are executive producers said where he can be set twice. Right. And that tomorrow.

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Podcast: Church Facilities in a Post-COVID World

Exponential Podcast

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Podcast: Church Facilities in a Post-COVID World

"Hi my name. Is bill in our part of the exponential team. I want to welcome you to this discussion on church facilities with our guest john. Mahoney and matt roberts of building god's way bidding god's way is an architectural firm that works almost exclusively with churches and christian schools. Send us. oh. Donna matt welcome. Thanks for thanks for being with us today. Thank you great to be with you bill. Why don't you give a limited your background and kind of how you got started in this line of work and what you're doing now you want to jump in. I sure yeah absolutely. So my name is matt roberts. Have the privilege of leading a network of local. Churches called the genesis project and Our heart as a church planting organizations to plant churches in places where Maybe churches don't make sense in some of the hardest and darkest areas in communities of our nation and i currently lead our campus here in ogden. Utah and have been here for the last twelve years and do that time. We partnered with building god's way on multiple projects in multiple campuses and With this idea that ma'am planning a church for people who don't do. Church is a great ministry model but sometimes it struggles as a financial model and so we have had to really think outside the box and building. God's way has just become a critical partner in planting churches side of us in helping resource churches. And we've had the privilege of working alongside a many of the projects that they do. And how do we think outside the box. How do we think as entrepreneurs and how do we see church buildings as a tool of sustainability in maybe not just a liability for a church. Excellent excellent thanks for being here on myself a match coming from a pastoral background and training. I'm an architect and Been doing this now for thirty nine years. Hard to believe for a guy that's my age but that's the way it is so started out Back in nineteen eighty two and spent the first twenty years of my career. Doing performing arts type of design so got involved in a lot of Arts facilities various sorts Which sort of naturally lent themselves to churches because of a lot of the crossover to kinds of spaces and eighteen years ago. Nineteen years ago now. I made the switch to building is way became a partner of firm which later has evolved into an employee owned firm. So i serve as the chair of a board of directors as an employee of doling god's way and am involved on a day to day basis with design still along with a very talented staff of individuals young committed Extremely engaged individuals at billing. God's way on the design side that Work on our projects with me and in many regards. I've i've learned from them from our younger staff who really helped me evolve from from the past which was really a training largely that that sort of taught architects that the process of architecture was all about the architect. That's evolved into really trying to understand that The best process is really a collaborative process between those that are administering out of a facility along with the contractors. Who will be building and includes. The subs subs have a lotta great ideas. That are rarely tapped at bg. W we really learned from them and continued to evolve into a organization that has designed better and better and more resourceful and more flexible buildings from those other than architects. Those that minister out of the buildings in those that Built the buildings and so i have the privilege of serving as the president of that board. For a few more years. And then i'm going to pass the torch long to some really talented folks here at. Bg w how bg debbie get started. Was it. I'm guessing with the name building. God's way was the focus on facilities for religious institutions from the beginning it was it was started by my partner who's now retired Dan dan cook was a general contractor. An architect which is kind of a rare commodity. Today's world damn had a passion having built a christian school here where we live. I live even in utah and a christian school is a rare event in the state of utah and dan made the best of collaborating with all of the local resources including suppliers in the suburbs and turned that into building. God's way and i joined him shortly thereafter. Having come out of a private practice that i had and so joined a group of individuals that really branched well beyond the borders of utah. Most of our projects are around the united states in out of the united states. We've we've done projects in candidate in south america and so forth. So how'd you. How'd you get connected with building. Gods right by the way. I think it's cool that you're a church planting church and i'll email you later but I wanna make sure you take modification assessment. The last couple of years outreach magazine has asked us to put together their list of one hundred reproducing churches that and we're told me it's not about ranking them. It's about a community so we have a brand new list of a hundred every year. So i'll awesome and brooks if anybody else is interesting. You can put that link in the chat to the assessment. But how did you. How'd you get connected with building. Gods who yes. So we kinda wild man. We moved into utah recognizing that the state of utah was by and large just a place that desperately needed the gospel to be preached on one of the most unchurched areas in the united states and largely considered a place where we're church plants in church planners came to die. It was just a really hard place to to be sustainable in a mission because it was such hard Gross such a hard area to be in so when my wife. And i packed up a we just finished up at denver seminary in felt god calling us to come to utah In in a lot of fear and trepidation we showed up here not really knowing what we were going to find and just happened to move into ogden. We're building god's way was located and So just seeing a billboard driving down the road or a sign at the front of their building a really sparks curiosity and say well. This is clearly something that that maybe we would be interested in so have really had a relationship from the beginning Building god's ways been like i said a partner with us implanting. Planting churches has really helped. Bolster our vision to to multiply into do that. Well do that better. And we've done multiple projects with them at our campuses so as we've collaborated with them. We've used their services many times in our campus here in ogden in planting around the country. So it's it's been a great partnership for us because men that was just a skill set that we don't learn in bible college and seminary right like how do we build buildings and do it effectively in. What does this look like all. I knew we needed a building and it was great to connect with a group of guys who knew how to make that happen for so. That's great with city. Can what you're seeing. I'm i'm of the belief that we're in. One of the most dynamic times perhaps the most dynamic time in the history of the church in the united states and a lot of changes. I mean cova. We were just sensing and seeing a cross landscape than and you know when you've gone through a time where unprecedented is overused in and continues. Apply notes a significant period but There were in. You know probably One of one of the words that i've heard a lot is accelerating and that really has has certainly has happened. Have you seen what are trends. That you're seeing in building development building design maybe preclude Has been how's that change over the last year. That's really interesting that you use that word accelerated. We talked around around the office about this multiple times in the past few monsoon. Lot of those things that were happening back in nineteen just Picked up inertia. Things like the need for flexibility. You know we. We talked about flexibility but nowadays especially with the uncertainty of. What's coming at us. now you know. There's a lot of articles that put forward the idea that that we know. What's coming around. The band in the truth is not too. Many people really know really different for a lot of different churches and so but the need for flexibility is something that has just been amplified folks being able to be agile light on their sheet understanding how to do things and i think a lot of our discussions in years past were. How can we get the church through a facility designed to be more apt to meet the community. I think that's that is even more so now. How do we re-engage with community. How do that not just the community of people that are already included in the church but the surrounding community is how do we. How do we bring that connection back. Or how do we create that connection. And how does that happen in our facility. What are some of the things. I'll all of that presupposes that you have people who are willing to do that so great. Great architecture isn't going to solve that if you don't have the people there that have the heart attitude to meet the community and so but if the people already used the people understand that their mission -ly established to be able to spread the gospel and you provide them facility. That's a really good combination. So that's that's one of the things we talked about a lot. These days is how do we do that in a more meaningful way and flexibility certainly You know matt you've seen that it was just a pastors over the last year just in not knowing depending where you're at in the country. What's that you kind of parallel pressures. What's happening nets two years. What will look like a year down wrote. Yeah so what does what's less ability to look blanked white house at looked for you over this past year. I think you hit the nail on the head that for us as visionary leaders and pastors. We've had to move from kennedy's five ten year goals envisions in religious. Say what what are we gonna look like today which my guess is for all of us as pastors that has greatly changed from our planning sessions in december of twenty twenty. I don't know how many of us as pastors prepared a sermon series. Twenty twenty vision right in then. You just crumpled that up and throw it out. Hit hit march of last year where we go now in in. How are we responding today. In one of the things that we've said a lot around our churches is defined the discipline in times. Like this to let dead things die to take ministries in thoughts and ideas that maybe have been on life support inside of our ministries for a long time but we've given the illusion of life just through movement in activity and just keep going because that's what we do right and i think this last year has given a lot of churches freedom to maybe dream a new dream. There's probably been a lot of golden calves inside of our churches that just naturally were killed in. My hope is for our church for the church of america is that will see that. This was a blessing that maybe as all the indicators show were coming out of this smaller it may be stronger. Maybe with a focus in a determination. That wasn't there a year ago. And i think that's about. That's what flexibility is about to me into to our ministry is. It's not about trying to get back to where we were. That ship has sailed right the. It's about maybe an opportunity for all of us. I love the beginning of the book of joshua. God says moses dead. It's time to move forward right in in. Maybe this is a moment for us as a church to say okay. We've heard about a post christian culture coming. Since i was in bible college twenty five years ago right and i think that acceleration what we see is now we have to deal with this fact that that came upon us A lot faster and maybe a lot more unceremonious than we thought it was going to. So how do we respond in as don said anybody. Who's saying we've got this figured out when we know where you should go be wary of that right outta. We figure out in our context in our cities and respond. Accordingly listened to matt. You talk about that. Just the the idea that you know. It's difficult to plan and what you were saying about. Flexibility how does that factor into when you're developing facility when you're designing developing facilities that have a brick and mortar. Hunt them you know. Once that foundation sport wackos walls go ahead. you know. it's not as easy to To change how do you. How do you build flexibility in the end into the work that you're doing serving churches well i think You change the things can change and you try to set things up so that you don't box yourself in i. I remember in the olden days. My my internship years and the next fifteen or twenty years. I don't think i did too many buildings that weren't load bearing masonry wall. Buildings that was churches are all about was establishing rudeness to the community through the kinds of construction that we did that. It was their last forever to stand the test of time you know. I remember my architecture professors impressing upon us the need for timeless facilities. I'm telling you there's no such thing as time was facilities in our world today. I mean you know today. it's all about. How do we assess what's going on around us and make changes and that has implications in the way that we put building together. There are things that can be changed though to to bring a sense of of I guess more relevancy to a facility things that are easier to change things like color color is one of those things that oftentimes becomes a signal device to the surrounding community are relevant or not based on color of all things. But that's because we've been trained as americans to to use collar as a signal device to the surrounding community that were in on it. We know we know what's going on. And so you know what that's one of those things. It's easy exchange. Wait we we talk about that. A lot of times in design about the free tools of architecture is one of the things that are free that we can use as those kinds of devices to upgrade or change or alter. It doesn't take a lot to reinvent a facility and there's always going to be a need for gathering space. I think that gatherings base may change in the way that that short-term especially as people are learning or re learning how to gather but how does that space work itself out. And how is that going to shift and alter as as the future goes on so if you can go into a facility and we got a number of these under under design and construction right now going into open free span spaces or spaces designed for retail a lot of times you can. You can have flexibility inside some existing repurpose facilities that really assists an aids and doing that as opposed to facilities like i used to design which are all load bearing in fixed in place. It's a good way to think about it in embiid. You're actually building the flexibility in the way that the clear spans with And making that building be able to adapt in the future to whatever it might need to be instead of assuming that's that's gonna be footprint of the church for one hundred years or looking for those facilities to we're in asia right now we're two thousand. Nineteen was the biggest year for retail and office building availability too for repurposing and we went from ten thousand structures that kim available to the market to a number that was twenty percent higher than that last year. In two thousand twenty one is going to be even higher than that as people are purchasing their retail products in a different way as they're working from home even our office. You know where our lease is up a few years and we've been talking about how many days a week are people going to be working out of their houses and do we need as much space. And how can we use that space in our own offices to integrate others who are not part of us so that we can. We can become part of their community so so merging outside community with the church or with individuals who are of the church. I think is going to be something that we're going to really begin to explore a much more intricate way. I think in future back a little bit more about the ability of retail space that could be adapted for churches as from. Sounds like from what you're saying. That not only was an opportunity before it's growing opportunity for churches. But nothing's ever sewer bullet. Either you know. So what are like what. What council would you give to a church that might be To be on the lookout for something like that other things that they should look for things. They should be careful. Yeah so so going in In most of these facilities you are talking about a change in the use. The code allows the code official to the building to current standard. So what can be a trip hazard for a lot of tricks. If they go in blindly and just purchase a building they find out why. Gosh all the things we need to do. But going in nowadays with the with the cost of of products escalating with the cost of labor beginning to escalate now to In the time that it takes to go through the process of zoning approval and everything else repurposing can be a real time advantage in a real cost advantage and so thinking through those things carefully to make sure that we're not going to get tripped up by some of the code things that come along making sure that it's in the right location. You don't want to end up in a situation where you get a really cheap building. But it's totally in the wrong location at people won't seek you out or see you But we've we've seen some churches when we have just about ready to open down in atlanta where they went in at purchase. Lowe's store at lost out to home depot in that neighborhood and the low store became available and allow them to accelerate their building program to the point where they're able to get it done in a fraction of the time with far less site development costs so one of the big advantages of going into repurpose facilities. Is you don't have to go in and build a parking and change the water drainage and all that kind of stuff and so. There's some huge advantages. It used to be an architecture. I remember when i first got in. I would set aside about fifteen percent of budget for site development. Nowadays that's closer to fifty to a hundred percent of the cost of the building for site development. So you can find a facility. That has a lot of those things behind it. It's giving you so much advantage as good counsel to to not just assume though that there may be other things in bringing up to code or be that that make sure you're checking those up a madhav as a pastor a church planning pastor. How are you thinking differently about facilities now or maybe even. Maybe it hasn't changed that much. Just because of covid. Bit you what i found with church flying pastors they have more of the sending in releasing mindset. You know not. Let's see how big we can grow here kind of mind. How do you approach facilities as you're thinking about for genesis project absolutely. I think we see facilities as really removing the label of this is the place where we worship in. This is a place where we church and nothing else and really trying to figure out. How do we create hubs of community where we're planting that Can be an open door. A revolving door Again more and more. We live in a post christian world. And we've been seeing this and a lot of areas that we've planted You know we have a church plant in portland oregon and what we realize in a place like portland in the inner city. People aren't just dropping by church building because there's a cross or a steeple and say hey. I wonder what's going on here. By and large we live in a world of people who never grew up in church They they think what goes on inside of our church. Buildings is odd in. It's weird and you know. Media has taught them that. We're all kind of on this lunatic fringe as the church in. Its very intimidating to step through those front doors and i think from a missionary mindset. Probably none of us would ever go into turkey. And say hey. I wonder what's going on in that mosque. I'm gonna go check it out. I'm going to show up there at their next worship service and i just wanna see out of curiosity. It's very intimidating thing. What we want to create in facilities and buildings aren't church buildings. We want them to be buildings that are meeting the needs of the community that are creating a people flow and touch points that maybe aren't inherently Spiritual in nature right. We don't wanna bait and bayton switch people into coming into our buildings. The one of the things we say all the time is we want our buildings tool. That's used even abused inside of our community and when people come through our doors. We have one goal to elicit the question. Who are these people. And why do they care so much. Why did i have such a hospitable experience there because we know once we can elicit that question The the answer is what's profound right and so the the idea is how do we. How do we open up the idea of a church building for everybody in a lot of times that means just even removing the label. Low church because sometimes if it's a church building you're automatically telling a huge segment of your community that you don't belong here and so we really want to lead with an open door policy and go from there a love that missionary mindset. Maybe it could don or some more specific examples. I love love that approach or are there other specific examples of a facility can say. Here's here's what we did here. Here's here's how here's how that is connecting with the immune. A lot of comes down to partnering to with with different organizations in the community. It's interesting when we first started talking about this Offer dozen years. Well now. it's been ten or twelve years. We're talking about developing sustainable models like this. We oftentimes find ourselves arriving at the church to do a design and them saying well. Can you tell us what our mission here is locally. And who were supposed to reach and i said i don't live here you you know your community. It's time to do some lining work here. Let's talk about how we find out. We are here no going on in your community and its distasteful as it sounds to go. Ask your government leaders. Sometimes it's forming relationships to government leaders. Were doing one in black earth wisconsin right now a church that has gone to the school district and said what do you need. And they said well. We need performing arts facilities we. We don't have any money to build one in your facility. Could serve that purpose. And so what they're talking about doing is creating a performing arts facility that by the way that will happen to worship in as well but his primary focus to begin with to the community is going to be a place where people can come and see different aspects of the arts senility and for them to get in their path. We see that. With children's facilities to traditionally churches have struggled with pre capable of pre-k downright that works with a couple of different organizations lionheart learning cure group through the genesis group that have done pre k. In an excellent way so that the church can can be eliminated from having to be the primary business person involved in that relationship and instead they focused on the ministry aspect reaching kids so i think assessing understanding looking around seeing. What's going on in the community. Get specific to your community A lot of folks will see something successful community a that they've gone to visit and they'll they'll bring it back and think well this is what we need to copy. When in fact community may not have that need so really getting specific about your local area where the needs are so important to developing program that it's interesting that missionary mindset there that's part of what's underlying some of the significant shift that we're seeing you know the the the other model of okay. Who's the you know. Saddleback salmon sally that you're going to be coming in here and you know which. Which is you know. I think can still be perhaps of bible model in some areas but more and more we need to be thinking in terms of missioner's what how can we partnered with the community. But not so who her. Some of you mentioned some of the ones that you're partnering with how that gone partner are there any any pitfalls any any recommendations. You have with partnering with other organizations as you're developing facilities yet. We loved the idea of partnership because what we know even pastors even if i had the skill set to run a childcare center which i don't and my guess is most pastors don't Do we have the bandwidth right like is that pulling us off mission in who and what. God has called us to do now. We're the completely immersed into running a business and that's not who got his called the church to be. It's not what god has called us to be a church leaders in so we really believe in the model of saying let's bring in professionals whose Whose training whose expertise. Whose passion envision is to run these ministries really freeing the church up to be the church in. That's our goal inside of every business model that oftentimes man if the churches become a place of business in it becomes all about producing finances. And and how do we get our highest and best return out of these things. There's always that mission shifts that takes place right. We begin to drift away from who got caught us to be as the church in so in every situation where churches are using their buildings in new and unique entrepreneurial ways. What we try to do is is to connect that church with Not only a partner to run it but a resource of ministry right to do the best that they can do. I think a lot of times so when we talk about childcare childcare is i think probably the most exciting model that we see coming into play right now and there's a lot of indicators for this mainly because more and more we see mom and dad having to work especially in city centres especially in some of the places where we're planting growing churches is. It's almost impossible in our world for a young family to live off of one income especially as they're starting out in raising children and man. What an opportunity for the church to jump into that space into love kids to raise kids in in the gospel in the word of god but also you've got ten built in touch points with mom and dad every week. Drop off which we often say. This cup of coffee to a single mom dropping. Her toddler off at six o'clock in the morning today care is like the hands and feet of jesus cures up free cup of coffee to you in just showing that love but also gives us the opportunity to to do that well into do that with excellence because most people think about church childcare then they think about like this bottom tier of education if kids even get educated at all untrained unqualified staff in even a lot of church people who have been in the church for a long time have a bad taste in their mouth because they can save man. We lost our shorts on. We tried to do a childcare in the eighties. In it costs us money. We had to fire workers and there was infighting caused a church. Split you all of these horror stories that we hear that we say man. We can actually do this. Well do this right where the church is offering world class education for kids which oftentimes is more of a love language so a lot of the schools were opening right now. are built around coding in and sciences and mathematics which is crazy for me to think about that for three year olds but we're offering high quality education inside of the church which maybe is mom and dad's highest and best value of what they're looking for. But in the meantime we get to preach the gospel and proclaim the gospel over a long haul so now all of a sudden. We don't have to be frantic to give some type of a weird also altar call. It's you know during the tarrant night. You know we know that man. We have days and we have weeks and we have months to love this family in the preach the gospel without using words right. So it's one of the things that excites us about all of these models. Is this that if you bring in the right partners with the right expertise than we can let the business be a business while freeing up the church to be the church in it just cleans up that process in every situation so much more. I think that's one of the cool things. It's that that are happening now. Matt you mentioned that you thought the church is gonna come out of this stronger. Same belief you know. I think from an outside perspective of may not look like that. 'cause there will be. I think barness suggested twenty five percent of churches. Closing in attendance will be down. The initial energy of the church seems to be a being ignited in a way. That's really powerful in in. You know it exponentially. We talk about five levels of churches your one level one being churches in subtraction level to that plateau of level three being the addition churches. This is typically what we've championed in the past as what you should shoot for growth as big as it can't level four. What we call reproducing churches these are churches now begun to to plant or invest in in I guess one way to say it is not just investing in their own orchard. They're investing in in building other orchards. Level five we talk about multiplying and marbly these way to think about local five is is reproduction to the generation. Planting a church planted a church planted church and so on and my guess is necessary. I'm excited at matt. take excessive. i guess he's level four. But one of the things that i've noticed is there's there's a significant shift in the scorecard from three to four at level three the primary metric of success is around addition accumulation weekend gathering income. I mean that's why i think of. So the covered. With so disruptive the primary metric of level four leader level for church will So measure those things but in terms of their primary metric of success it tends to be around either sending in releasing or community transformation where they Caught us to the city. That's gonna change the how. How would you see that impacting facilities. A the three church that pay. It's our job. We just want to grow as big as we can. and we're internet suck up to one. That's no we're we're more about about sending in releasing i think some of that was certainly Evidence before covid came along we. We saw churches. That were willing to not not just sending an individual or a family out. But sending a group out in splintering off in subdividing like an amoeba might in sending them out but but leaving them tethered and bringing some of the things that were successful to the first group In terms of some of the decision so that they can learn from that and send them out and leave that tether their in place so that they can be successful in beget begetting beget and so that has continued forward. We we work with a number of different organizations that have got that down. some of that is Th the tether some of that is is knowing when to let loose of the tether as well too. We see some of that happening in today's world. It's interesting The the satellite churches Some of that involves. Naturally i think because an organization that has become big and knows their community knows the nuances within a certain city perimeter. And so they're able to go to other parts of the city and successfully plant in a geographically distinct zone in a better way than somebody can come in clear from the outside. I know matt's. The exception to that matt has gone out to communities and just in engrossed and become immersed in that to learn some of those things but a lot of What we see nowadays is doing it in a little bit. Different manner So i i think matt's models a little bit different though he's going to some of the most troubled areas of community and tackling things. That a lot of other churches locally won't tackle so different models there i. I was hoping he was going to tell the story of the one over in fort collins when he went over to fort collins with his group and we've picked my interest. Now matt tell us about that. Yeah so we have a incredible team in fort collins colorado actually a campus there led by The the man who led me to christ. When i was a teenager was my youth pastor and a rob kohl's is Leading genesis project for comments planted the church. There had been in a mega church model. Offer a lot of years and just came to the point. Where i'm the man. I just wanna love people. The way that jesus loves people and had an opportunity as a church to go in and to purchase a strip club. Are they went to the leaders of their community and said where where's the darkest place in our community This strip club had multiple murders that took place in the parking lot. It was a hub for sex trafficking. A place where as you can imagine girls in college community there. Colorado state university were promised a lot of things you can graduate without debt. You know you can just come and do this for a couple of years knowing that it was just a trap and The owner of that strip club actually a through a men's group completely separate of of genesis project on was invited to church had a radical encounter with jesus and realized actually being invited to his five year old daughter's kindergarten classroom. Where all the other dad's were talking about what they did when they went to work for the first time in his life experienced conviction in realize i can sell this building as a business. In perpetuate the damage. That's been done in community for the last twenty years or i can do something different. He began to reach out to local churches. And as you can imagine not. Many were purchasing a functioning strip club with all of the xs and os that came along with that but today and that campus is still there at that location just added a brand new twenty thousand square foot building onto the back of that strip club leaving that building as a place where Today i think five of the dancers that lost their job when we bought the building have been baptized in the very same thing you know. A place of death became a price of life and hope which for us is really just a. We always talk about this. That building is actually a very tangible picture of the gospel. isn't it old things being made new. And so we can point to a building and get. This is what jesus does in the in the human heart a redemption redemption story in the building and the facility itself yet again that the the missionary mindset is so critical. Because somebody might hear that story and say well. That's we're gonna we're gonna go by the club and you could. You could actually do more harm by displays and you know what i loved about your stories you have you now have five of the women that have been part of that. Have become part of this community so being able to That's the missed the missionary mindset. You know so yet you can't miss enough story that the the the catalyst the initial catalyst was that previous owner who had just he inherited this is us from his father. He worked in that strip club since he was fourteen years old. So for me to go in as an outsider and be like this gross and this is disgusting. And how dare you. Which i never would. But i didn't have a place or voice inside of that community right but now all of a sudden it's not a church coming in saying men were anti all of the people who are a part of this and this is so unholy and so unrighteous and we're gonna shut it down. The voice of that movement became the story of a man whose life was by jesus and now all of a sudden. It's not a church story anymore right. it's a heart story in. It makes all the difference in the world then. I think that's where we try to lead all churches right if there's not a heart story if there's not a story of transformation attached to your building you're missing the boat right like if there's people these days especially millennials that are more and more becoming the voice of the church moving forward. They're not excited about writing a check for a building but the moment that you can show that a building is just a tool in one of the things that we say often. Is this that. Bill could show up to your garage. Go into your toolbox. And i could probably find the tools that you use the most because they're oil-stained in they're beaten in like if i find a christine tool in your toolbox my guess is that is not a useful tool for that something that someone you that you never figured out how to use how to make useful and so we want to build buildings that get used. We wanna build building stocks that have a heartbeat behind them that when people walk in through front doors. They're not looking at architecture. They're not looking at design. They're not saying while. Look at this carpet. It's incredible but they're seeing. The story of the gospel played out in people's lives. All around them in can't help but ask the question to beautiful so beautiful metaphor the building as a tool the others. Sometimes we we're attended to. We tend to think will buildings are no longer necessary for the church and remember my dad every Anytime anybody's ever said that there were standing on building when they set it is but having the approach that it's a tool not an and it's not about the place it really is about the ministry. Don i wanna come back to something. We you mentioned earlier on in our conversation here. Duchy jane moon is a professor at asbury Friend of exponential. He wrote entrepreneurial church planning and also Michigan approach the marketplace which is a free book from from exponential but He As an advocate for for entrepreneurialism church planning he uses the acronym mints and so the amazon for monetize existing church resources to to incubate new businesses. Three is nonprofits as mission arms of the church for as kogo -cational pastoring for model income streams in five is entrepreneurial churches located inside the marketplace thinking about the first one of those monetize existing. Church resources are do you see are there examples for churches to To monetize their their facilities. There's so many ways but again it depends on the community and it really begins with a good understanding what the needs are surrounding you. There are times when the answer to a childcare. Facility is no but there's times when it's a big yes as there's times when we're doing one down in orlando right now. That is a built around the idea of athletics. Because there's a there's a strong need for a professional type of training facility officially run training facility and so they've got people on board who are contributing towards a olympic cool in the training facilities that are associated with that. That's not only going to draw people through there but it's going to draw income through their event center spaces. We've got one in portland right now. With a group of three churches that are consolidating in one central location that are going to be putting childcare. Event centers shared office space together in one facility. So again it depends and it begins with a good objective business. Understanding of is this going to is this a need or or are we building hoping they will come. We're not real strong build it. They will come type groups here. We think that they may come but they may not. So you better do your homework ahead of time from a business standpoint and understand things We've seen some incredible things. We had a church down in southern california that got stopped by the pandemic but this was a facility that was largely being driven by a an organization that makes replacement teeth of all things and they consolidate can consolidate their business right into the church and designed facility where they could do both of those things and joined conjoined those two things together so that the profit from the company that was doing the teeth and he was out in socio passer by the way that had the skill from his father. conjoined us. and so that line's been blurred now. There's a lot of people who are in business who thought very creative ways that they can join together with ministry to make that a profit center for the church but again it has to be done in a reasonable way so that you don't get in over your head committing to facilities than simply aren't need for the community so in a modern remind everybody if you have questions feel free to send them in and brooks will pass them along to us and we'll see if we can get those answered. I know that there have been some questions in the chat. That you you all have been answering for each other so that's kind of cool to see As well As you you mentioned about less currency and again that's what we're seeing and obviously exponential existed about sending a release. You know we want to see that. Become the primary of the church And i think back to Wrote a book called surge long probably twelve or thirteen years ago. now he really site the Every hall did this research back. I think in the sixties about proximity in this idea that we develop relationships four spaces and impersonal social public space and typically in the common see approach. It's been about the public space. You know it's been about. You know fact a lot of churches when they when they put their services online that they just created the public space they were just you know biting people under virtual sanctuary instead of But i think there are opportunities. It seems like there are opportunities for the personal been social space so is your is your designing spaces for people to actually connect. How does is there are there. Are there things you would tell churches to think about or to look for Don in terms of design and matt. You know maybe in in your facilities. Where have you seen people. What have you done to help. People really connect on in inserted that personal space and that social space. It's really interesting the way that you treat that question A lot of times people will focus on the the gathering space or we call it third place space where people intentionally connect but a lot of times. That does that's begun really in worshiped we've gone from Style worship to a very communal worship where we feel like we are together worshiping rather than there to observe worship and then we leave there feeling like a community and then the space is made available to us that that has a variety of different kinds of spaces large space space for navigating through that space but also some subset spaces where people can gather in a different form where they can come together and have small groups. Maybe even you know during the week they can utilize that space for a variety of your way so that space outside has become even more important. But but it's really a reflection what's going on inside the worship space itself. Now add to that one of the things that we talked about a lot at building. God's way is like the old model of building church. Buildings was very linear which meant to get to space be. You had to walk through a riot and kind of decode a building. And how do i get downstairs. And how do i get to the kids ministry in pretty intimidating to walk into right I often say like we're all used to living around the broken ness of our own homes right. Why don't you fix that drawer. That's been broken in your kitchen for the last three years because you've just learned how to work around it. You gotta pick it up and pull it out. You know you've got to work around what's broken not working in a lot of times in churches. We just have done that for so long. It is the way it is because that's the way that it's always been in. I think one of the things we look at church space is how do you create safe space. That people can walk into get out of without having to deeper because you might have people that never penetrate that third space or the lobby of your church for six months before ever walking into an auditorium or what we call a sanctuary which by the way is a very intimidating languages and it's very scary language for people. So how do we create the easy entrance and easy exit because if we don't connect with people casually and a lot of times we focus so much. I'm being sticky as a church. Which i believe in but we can't be handy where we're just like grabbing a hold of people like we've got allow it to happen naturally so that's one of the big things that as we designed a building were saying how do we create space that flows well and where people can kind of see the building as a picture of relationship like on my own time in my own comfort. I'll get deeper into this living about for now. I just want to stay on the outside looking in. Are we creating that easy accessible space reflection to community from the ymca which linear to be modern community soon coming to a central space clear front door lots of visibility and then being able to perceive everything that's going on surrounding that space and one of my roles at an exponential here's Just helping denominational never leaders navigate the resources of exponential so i talked to a lot of them and and again leading up to the pandemic one of the one of the topics that were seemed to be on the top just about everybody's mind were micro suppressions and and that again is just been accelerated by the pandemic we saw last year. Jd greer president's other about this convention Said hey were not going to be at least twenty twenty one. We're going to twenty four hundred house. Churches Dave ferguson from community christian were just kind of went all in on on small a micro expressions other community groups and that sort of thing and so there is the. There's an interesting change. And i i guess maddock should give microaggressions are on your radar at all and done. I've be interested in your thoughts as measured designing now. This isn't even another Way to be thinking about facilities is more training Place in it at a networking come as opposed to you. Know where this the one place where everybody would would work out but matters. Just curious are micro expressions. Is that something you guys have looked at at all absolutely It's a One of the things. That's interesting about our model. The genesis project is. We do a lot of work in recovery. We do a lot of work in in reaching people whether whether it's an addiction coming out of incarceration in the hard places of life and what we've even found is a lot of times we're designing our building around micro groups meeting right to where a we have a lot of people in our community that maybe don't have the home that that they feel comfortable they're willing to open up to an individual you know But are ready and capable to lead a group so even when it comes to utilizing our space. What we find is is that that micro expression of our church is actually using our building more monday through saturday than we ever have before and one of the things we say often about our building is we want to be the living room of our community. You know we wanna make sure that. There's hundreds of keys to our building that are floating around in our congregation. That people are ready and willing to use that because i think sometimes The house church model works really well in the suburbs where people have homes that are capable in their proud to show those off. Sometimes that model falls apart if we're not careful inside of communities of need that are struggling because people are living in situations. They don't wanna invite church friends over or don't have the capacity or maybe aren't allowed to have people into their homes. And so i think even church building there can begin to look at itself as a micro expression. How are we inviting in narcotics anonymous alcoholics anonymous groups. This a mother's group over here using our community as a hub that says come in and do community do life together and let us support that in. Create the space for that to happen How do we become the living room of our community. Were the majority of the people who live in our community. Don't have living rooms done In terms of design what two. What are things that may be a mind for churches that have become networks of a networking station or micro expressions. I talked about flexibility earlier in talked about it in terms of the way that you would make some kind of shift from one change to another permanent change. But i've seen some good examples in participated in several designs of spaces. I remember a few years ago going into church that we didn't design and saw a space. That was their lobby for your space. That was very easily and readily transitioning. During the week to ten individual people could meet. I was there on tuesday afternoon at two o'clock and four of the ten were filled with people and they had done it in such a way that it gave him a little bit of visual privacy. A little bit of acoustical. Privacy had thought through those things well enough to be able to make that work and they thought through the storage needs. What is going to take to take those chairs and couches in dividers and quickly and efficiently. Move them out of the way so that very same space became a gathering space for the twelve hundred seat auditorium space. So really important you got to have good storage nearby or otherwise. You're gonna end up with stacks of furniture up against the wall. Which is a cluttered unnecessary. Look and so i think. Churches need flexibility certainly in the long term but they need short-term flexibility because space can be transition. The complaint comes where we're going to have to find some people that simply do nothing but move furniture. Yes right that's right and that what a great ministry a furniture mover in the church. That does that sort of thing so i. I think that those kinds of things can be tremendously effective tools. As long as you're set up to be able to make those transitions as efficiently as possible. I have one more question for both of you. I'm gonna give you. I'm going to tell people about the featured shirts summits. I'm going to give you a chance to think about it. But you know Wayne gretzky's famous for saying his success was in skating to where the puck was gonna be not skating to where it is and so i be interested in what you have to What you would tell churches to be thinking about for the for the future where you think. Maybe things are headed. Were some things that maybe they should be thinking about that Just even a year ago. They weren't so. I'll give you a second to think about that. I i do want to tell you those of you. That are are watching with us today. That if you're eager to learn about emerging trends and innovations that are shaping the church a church multiplication and really worth thinking in terms of. We wanna do more than just survived. That really is at time To thrive in twenty twenty one and particularly in terms of kingdom all vacation and. I'm going to invite you to join exponential for the future. The church summit that will take place from one to five pm eastern on thursday march fourth. And it's a great opportunity to just Invite the leaders of your church to be part of that. It's free to sign up. Some of the top church leaders in america will be responding to some of the rapid changes that we're seeing in multiplication and and really walking through what needs to happen on a what what is happening on the on the cutting edge the other the other option. You have coming out of this too is you can actually host a roundtable with that same content. You can you a free host around table The you have the exact same content with part of the future shirts summit as well as additional videos and everybody that attends your roundtable also gets of a copy of that entire kit which is really an incredible value. And you see on the screen. They're the The website if you go to multiplication aback slash host. You'll see some information about the round tables and then also You'll see a list of of zoom calls. You can jump in and get your questions answered so yes. Thank you for that now. Want come back so you guys were gonna be. Where's the puck headed in a what. What advice would you give churches. And and i'm interested in both map from a pastor or perspective on is as people are thinking about the facilities of what advice. Would you give church leaders. Wake fiercer your answer on this awesome. I think one of the things that we see is Potentially that my generation as a leader being the end of what we have called fulltime vocational ministry The dynamic of the church is changing so rapidly and bill. You brought up. The you know the micro church movement. Home church movement the The facilities in. I mean you look at most church. Budgets in the two dominant ride items in each budget is facility in staff ryan. I think one of the ways that we need to move is how we raising up the next generation of leaders to be entrepreneurs to be people who understand that in order to do ministry. I need multiple strings revenue and income in my own life but also to know that tent making isn't just the responsibility of a pastor. It's the movement of church to think. How do we stay viable. How do we continue to do the things that god's call this to do community in a changing landscape and You know ivan look at the churches were planted right now in church. Planning in the past has been so dominant on a one leader. A passing the test in living into what. We always hope that they could do community. And i think we're going to have to start looking at that differently. At how are we equipping groups of people. How are we encouraging. Young women and young men inside of the church to think differently about economics in calling in ministry in moving beyond this model. That says if. I can't get a fulltime paycheck. I can't do ministry And that's we need to start changing that. Today i think inside of our own churches are staff and how we hire the training that were affording individuals. I know for me. Coming out of bible college and seminary. It was a steep curve to learn business in entrepreneurship and how to think on your feet on. So what are we. Investing in the next generation to ensure that there's at next group of leaders that array. Take this from us. That's beautiful i love. We can eliminate that clergy lated vitamin really empower the priest of all believers. You read the end of if asians one where the head of the church to fill all in all you know. They'll never be enough vocational pastors to do that so beginning to just help everybody recognized. We're all full time pastors. We are all going to draw paycheck from the church. And whereas god call you. That's really beautiful. Don what you were in terms of facilities and and you certainly mention this one. This opportunities retail spaces that are going to become more and more available Are there other suggestions things to think about for the church real certainly The kinds of space that is available to us now But but even in the planning of new facilities you know. How do we go about doing that. Differently. it's funny you know a few years ago. A lot of people were into creating fun environments or event style worship services and so on and so forth. And i think it's been kind of a sobering up of of getting down to the basics of you know we used to used to say well you know this new generation wants it to be real. They want it to be real on steroids. Now i mean real real and so getting back to real. How do we really connect to community. We really affect people for the gospel. I think is so important. As as opposed to creating a big splash event or the fun event and getting to that sort of thing and how does facility really accommodate that. How does that make that happen. i i think that's going to be more present in the way that we go about doing things I think there are opportunities out there for repurposing existing facilities. I think there's You know. I remember in two thousand eight. When when the in september whatever date that was september eighth tenth or win over all the financial institutions imploded. Suddenly there was a a vast amount of car dealerships that came into the marketplace and cartilage dealerships. By the way make really great churches really good exposures and so forth but looking around our community to see what's available out there. But but as matt has mentioned blurring that line between business between Those that are engaged in a secular way to derive their income and how they merged that personally into their ministry is going to be ever more present. And how do we do that. And how does the church facility accommodate that in the future We're we're seeing these odd combinations of tooth manufacturing and worship facility and kids and so forth all happening in the same facility. Let's that's just one slice example of weird things were seen going on out there. Where people are thinking creatively about how to make this hole in my life. And how do. I engage with troops to do that and what one of the things. Bill that that we see. This is bad business. Models oftentimes make a whole lot of sense for churches. So if i'm going to go out and start a business on my own. That pro forma is going to include rent utilities in before i ever break even right and so that may not make sense to me to open up visits the church opens at business all of a sudden generating eight ten thousand dollars a month in as just rent it paying back to us. It makes a whole lot of sense. So there's a lot of times a churches so used to bleeding in the read. All we do is loose right. All we do is pay out. Sometimes we can bring these models in. It's not rocket science of because we're utilizing our staff differently in. We're utilizing our buildings in a more sustainable way guys thank you so much. Those who've have been watching. I want to invite you a building. Gods booth in the hub there and would invite you to check that out and matt and diamond. I just want to thank you guys for this time today. Appreciate your input that you're doing awesome. Thank you so. Much god bless.

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Inside Supercars - Show 300 -Roll On - DJRTP and Tickford move to Townsville

Inside Supercars

19:18 min | 1 year ago

Inside Supercars - Show 300 -Roll On - DJRTP and Tickford move to Townsville

"New to Medicare start. Now, go to my healthpolicy DOT COM to learn about some of the top rated Medicare advantage plans in your area including plans for zero dollars a month implant premiums low out of pocket costs and expensive provider networks. If you're thinking about a Medicare advantage plan, my health policy dot com is a great place to go to find a plan that meets your needs learn more about your options even talk with a licensed insurance agent, my healthpolicy DOT com. Pie on fighting call talk everyone. Welcome inside. Shane van Ginsburg from the Red Bull Holden racing team hits. From the rice treks across Australia he is inside supercars. And it's warm. Welcome to aid inside supercars we have been. But team manager of the team Penske the show V powered team joining us on the line and it's great to have you on the show again. And I'm really wanted to talk to you about the logistics, what the logistics of moving the team from Darwin then on to Townsville. Yeah. Hi. Craig we. We Have A. Plan in mind with the logistics. Coming out Pete, a dollar to two events Will we were away. There was the possibility of that. We were dying to hit across to Townsville strike from. So we had some plans in places with the amount of panels that we talk across Stuff that we you know bits and pieces that we use as well. So we packed as much as we could in the truck So we're we're we're prepared to guy straight across tangible. We will have some stuff. putting a truck or a van. Driven tomatoes at tens we will next Wednesday. So distant other essential autumn's that we're running. Lou But role. We will well planned for. In advance and you're looking at what we needed to to try and limit out use of stuff here down as well. We we had the era. Now I understand the trucks leaving don on Sunday night. So will you planning to prepping Darwin at all before you start rolling now we even in our regional plan so we had to leave. Don. At, plan was to pack up here on Sunday night. Wine could hit down to Katherine gets him across to. Townsville light. Tuesday. So plan was to do all that work in Townsville for a couple of reasons. One just to give the go as a diocese rests while the in Dolon and then in travel and then. The temps probably ten fifteen degrees cooler for the three or four days of prep that we needed to doing intangible being that you are a Queensland based team and I know it is very fluid the situation across this country. You able to rotate stuffy either before roar even between the two towns full events. Yeah. We are. Basically because we're in coins lands your exactly. Right. We swap some stuff at. People's partners could come up and visit guys could duck back to Brisbane, for dial two in between events. At, this stage, we don't have any planes stuff. For the two events. All the goal has hero Kane and good to go to to complete the the foreign Iran if you look. There is a few partners coming up to join us for one of our planes or a couple of plane to die offs between the two Townsville of stage in what has this period done to teach you about. The short turnarounds. Are you learning about having short turnarounds ensue because For us the short turnaround seeing is not you had to between. Tasmania and Grand Prix events and use eland than events down south Previously, it's just in the preparation of what you need to bring away in the truck, this the extra bits and pieces and The good accommodation is always catered as well because roasted washing uniforms and all that sorta stuff. So just being well prepared in advance what we? Have learned from having to do in the past you Danny numbers. So how have you been able to manage with some teams? Chose to take some extra stuff could book on the cows potentially being something an APP others have gone a different direction. What about you guys? We are down a few staff on what we would normally have shore ever since sort of. multitasking with bits and pieces. Definitely more to do in between Tom's for the for the Gods fabricator working as a as a mechanic on one of the causes and stuff like that. So is a lot more forever onto do special. Did you change your strategy at all nine days? We have the same team, he that the to Sydney events as well. We we looked at the the numbers that we had to do had to use for Sydney up here and we by STS by staff selection on putting the best people for pitstops for working on the 'cause, the engineering strategy and we picked basically. Lucky would would've football team. We picked out eleven to do the job and I still got the same. Up here, Melbourne teams was certainly looking at the skill sets that will take you on the road. Did you have to take into account? Yeah that's exactly right. I mean we we picked because we've multiple skill sets wrought from the outset for the The senior. Isis. So that's carried Iran working quite well for us up. The Victorian Gauze. made the there in the middle of probably what's an amazing thing that they're doing for everyone in the category hats off to them go as. We've offered to help out anyone that we came. So then goes with everything changing so much been bought d think a the planes hitting fiend a baptist, the the two races the qr is that something you're in favor of. Look. With this season, it's the best laid plans probably no plans at all A. things certain Yeah there is talk of. For us it's it's Rodney. Heim, say you know in terms of? Farrah's it's relatively easy Lot of a Melbourne goes with a had vices in southeast coins for them. Now, we back to familiar biases as well. Look we plan it out and we try them the as best prepaid as we can when we know the details of where we're GonNa what we've gotta do. The New South Wales Wanda's is interesting That's something I. Super Because to. To deal within when they tell us that we're going Tabatha aware, we're going to rice them. We'll will prepare as best we can a mobile ED, how stressful is it for yourself when you don't have control of the decisions that are being made. In terms of way we go rising and and that sort of stuff when we guy. Does decisions being out of Al Haynes. Get told to the season and we know what's going on we just. Plain and work on it as best as we can some pots of a stressful, I don't think travel light. He's about to gone stress leave of that. It's You know we we put our heads together amongst a few of us here in the same group of guys we just planet at as best we can you in a position where you're talking often to the other team manages lie DOTTO had triple lights and Even, Maddie Robert Stay on their at take fit but is more communication and you'll level the normal. How long from from Tom set of once a week with a few of the gods. Take siege and say he goes travelling. United Anything Madhouse from. Subsidizing stuff during the event here in Darwin which we had, and we're happy to the handover over. So tiny really on a on a need basis and. Sort of some of these guys, you've spent ten to fifteen to twenty years. We didn't them quite well, and it's A. It's a hey gone or even how things Got Ben it's been a pleasure to have you on the show and thanks for your time today all the best as you head over to Townsville this way. Yeah. Now, always thanks Craig we are fortunate that it is being played out in the dose of the country that's for sure had not somewhere cold and miserable Matt Roberts from tick racing it's a pleasure to have you on the show interesting times at the moment for you and the logistics of moving the team around the country and wanted to ask you about today was what is the logistics of getting the team from Darwin and across the Townsville made Yeah. Basically saying that an. Experience. The whole team because it's something that we've never had to come back full. Onto tousled. Look. How the person Pay And we've Elsa towns go. You know. The the guard back in the workshop working around the clock to everything prided up to it whether it's engine gearboxes on. The Same Leo come. There's the workshop is still. Working since the fall right same on the same challenging Fortunately you know the the working to get in being John, him blanche odd because. You know they tried a lot of a lot of And you're up for all the same. Thank you. Because you know with that with that. God's helping out it Tom the you know not there and very. To as united right off during the on. The work on the Qasr you leave down and then what a two day drive to get. The Townsville? Isn't it? Yeah how to the truck the yet all late tomorrow look. We're GONNA do a little bit of service for it's not the right We'll just go hang back, move the volatile. Heads off and we. Came back from. rotating coming. Out Cornell when a as we take thirty on so that'll be there when we get. isn't that what the age on service and you know acting them on to talk about that is. Going on which very excited. because. We won you know won every time to have the chance of winning You know when? All ranked most important rice. I think at this point. the championship sites for off. Of the. Voice had you know? go to eat out at the. Mention. Now, you do have a couple of team members with you who's got partners backing Victoria who president have. You got a strategy of maybe rotating people through. Either before or after Tansel? Yeah fortunately We were able to get a couple of crew on a flight lost weight and their quarantine. Aiming Townsville. Yeah those causes they're going back. Quite. Pregnant. They had on Monday We'll have a rotation that sounds that weren't quite my hands one this GotTa who said Aqua? Radi. Craig plans the crew change in the swap start. With with with That you know we're because really good crew there Dana Daffyd the whole white. You know of this kind of fluid approach to the whole crew in the white working together and you know it. The garbage is working saying is playing all kinds appreciate their efforts enough. There'd been adapted whether the crew bro Chains or you know conroe chain go engineering role change Everyone being very fluid with the whole the whole Project and it's going it's going I. Could. Be Happy of why Ause Burton? Having rice paintings at the same track two weeks in a row is that something that the championship could take away or is it just there's too many racetracks you have to get to Be, you know. it's certainly a way of reducing You know said like trouble pointed you. Set Up. actually locked the approach and The the Category Kentucky Wife and the incident is actually not a bad thing. To the. you know we got to work. You Know Mondays right off the down one and you know we don't take it way in. and especially. For this weekend and I was going to say the same respond and have the managed change during the way getting around works, round the clock to you know to work at this and Yeah. Come out of the box with. Three thousand talk in you know unfortunately, the Jackson to get back and added on let one. it was United States. It goes. To the poll teeth writing and you know to have full shrunk conscious dying talk saint should up but not out no goals that has. All the cows in strong showing. Now knowing that you're not going to likely able to get back into Victoria and out for Baptist what would be your preferred scenario between Townsville to and Ba'athist. I think in medicate racing is It's important that you know we might that magic number Round because that's important to the same because otherwise the end of the day. You know nothing really in the as we know is about. You're not producing compared to the fans and Say I. Still Duggal coins and I was. Exciting is that sound probably not a lot of work to the chains that we just gotTa do it Yeah. Talk it out and we'll have parkway in a good showing. You. The. The head of and. Will. And Will you put some people in the New South Wales in ahead of Bathurst just to make sure you've got the number say Yeah. you know we have to do that regardless because of the Development series program that we're running. Ought to get Ross Finney back in a day. Always say you offering day say in in the Verse Forty Full Cop. Wearing thought it to him to get back into the car you the. Talent that you know it'd be unfortunate that I saw it had a broken theory that. he needs to come. He'll. He'll have ten. Matt, it's been a pleasure to catch up with you whilst be ferocious on the track and ferocious in the boardroom between teams. It seems like the old level team manager level it's been very collegiate. You've. Really worked to get. One thing that To the to. Breaking the daughter in Camden and the packers job And really, we can. We can just get on without the I did this year with. Mike. How That done. You know. quickly, continue that strong phone well. Thank inside Soup Mika's produced by thunder media shooting next on for more or locking the podcast on June mobile device search in Saad Sukarno's. The views expressed on inside supercars including the panelists and guests do not reflect the views of the network. Thunder media will sport radio. Any publication will rebroadcast the show without the expressed written permission of funding media is strictly prohibited new to Medicare start. Now, Gemayel's to my healthpolicy DOT COM to learn about some of the top rated Medicare advantage plans in your area including plans for zero dollars a month implant premiums low out of costs and expensive provider networks if you're thinking about a Medicare advantage plan my. 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US Open Day 6 - Serenas statement; Felix takes flight; Tsitsipas - What happened!?

The Tennis Podcast

1:06:51 hr | 11 months ago

US Open Day 6 - Serenas statement; Felix takes flight; Tsitsipas - What happened!?

"Hi this is Marion. Bartoli. Mats Wilander this is Mary Carillo. I'm stunned Rohingya and lighting Hewitt I'm Andy. Murray. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcast. And Welcome to the one hundred tennis podcast of twenty, twenty a year in which we hardly had any tennis and we're still come up with a hundred show. Sound quite proud of that. and. Just, by way of introduction for those, you only just started listening to the tennis podcast you in the US Open My name's David Law. This is Catherine where to go helicopter Catherine. Hello David. New Listen this is speaking. Yeah Catherine's a very fancy TV presented by the way if you just needed checking and she's just come back from wearing lots of TV makeup and being in the studio. No Right now I'm not I've chiseled off the first three inches of makeup. There is still some remnants. If, you'd like to the process looks like we have posted a picture or three on our social media channels today at tennis podcast. If you'd like to know how the TV world works, it was a bit of an eye opener for me after. Market Jim Carey's. The, mosque. and. The being woman world. Works David. Yeah. Yeah I'm learning. I'm only forty six, nearly forty, seven Just. Just learn all the time. That the voice you just had was Matt Roberts who's also past tense podcast math and yes and Not a TV presenter. Still, time. Right. So let's talk about some tennis showy and let's start with. Last night because this time last night. Matter the words Oh sit Sebastian Orage sits apostle win that and you know I think we'll probably be pretty quick. Thanks David. Three that was. That was agreed by the way. Yeah. That was part of a conversation in which I said Oh yeah. Now. That's GONNA be one sided. Surpass. So that's tell us what did happen because after Catherine went to bed. I helped you a little bit with the tennis podcast recording and editing and I just saw I think it was i. think sits the just got the break in the third set on the. I'm just going to hang on to see if he holds this and then I'm GonNa go to bed at two sets to one. Which I did. And then I woke up. To Matt's WHATSAPP which said. Wait until you read about passing charge it is wild yet. Tell us more. Yes. I was not expecting to still be up after it was light. I had my breakfast before I, went to sleep. Everything was very strange and that was all because I got caught up and swept up by churches comeback against sit surpass because sit surpass got himself to five one up in the fourth set church held serve sits passer free at five to lost serve had match points at five three, two of them lost them both with errors had triple match point on his serve at five four made three more errors had advantage on his five four made another era lost his serve lost the next two games church took the fourth set. Sit. Surpass. Regained some sense of composure in the fifth set after really spiraling both in terms of his play and his mental stability in that fourth said he was he was shouting his dad throughout that fourth set. Maybe, we'll come on so that relationship in a minute, but it was quite uncomfortable to watch at times. He did compose himself in the fifth set went up a break immediately lost it the only possible solution to the Max v set tiebreak it went there. To sit surpasses I three serves with double faults and Church won the tiebreak and completed the comeback it was it was completely extraordinary and I tweeted that it fell intrusive to watch it because there was nobody watching obviously in the stadium apart from the two teams. So if you were watching this match you were you were kind of getting a particularly intimate experience, but it felt excruciating an intrusive because it was so difficult to watch sits at Pasco through that it was it was almost cruel there was that we were allowed to watch this because it was It was a shock, an implosion that I've never seen him before and it was it was a really tough watch, but also also an intoxicating one. Friend wondering real all of that off without glancing down at any kind of nights whatsoever. It's like is indelibly printed on his brain. Yeah, you know I woke up this morning to a Reply to our. Promotion of that as of last night's podcast, the I reply was. Did you talk about sits upstairs. To try to explain, yeah, we did just a out of dates and embarrassing. How Did after explain we can't on this occasion do an emergency podcast because matters the only one who saw its and he's just gone to bed at seven a. m. and. Eight thirty am without having seen any of it. So we're going to have to wait until until tonight. So that's why you hearing about it now, but it was it's worth the wait to talk about it because the so much to unpack there isn't a an and starting immediately with sits surpasses tweet. How long after the match did sit surpass tweets the this is the funniest and saddest thing that has ever happened in my career I think literally ten minutes. He barely left the court and suddenly. That tweet popped up on his timeline I mean, he left the court. Talk just yeah. A rack of a human being they not allowed to wear. This is USA open unless they're physically playing tennis. There's a lot. There's a lot of. The shirt listeners I am enjoying all the sort of pauses when they remember that they have to follow protocol whether it be in a match when someone's hit a blistering winner march the chair. GonNa, pick up my towel. It sort of takes away from that moment and sit surpass was wandering off the call Anita put on my mask and it kind of should my. It kind of took away slightly from his sort of quite dramatic exit. The nipples can remain expose but not the nose and mouth. Maybe I'm, David. I will so. He didn't do a press conference some rating I'm not quite sure why. I'm not sure extraordinary. It was about two in the morning local time left alone everywhere else in Europe where it was seven, eight him but yeah, I, mean. I'm not really sure as to the reasons for that. I'M GONNA. quit on Bona cherish how how enough to do that I mean was it Sounds like. The choke of chokes really. But that also feels that little unfair to change. What's what's your feeling on? Well. Yeah I mean it was. It was a definite choke from sits to pass. But other than those moments, the quality remained very high for the match in Church certainly paid very good match and what I thought he did was make it a bit personal. Once he realized there was a chance of a comeback. He he started fist pumping in sits surpasses directional getting in his face and I don't really think of churches that kind of person but I think he sent there was an opportunity and that sits pass was not particularly stable and he's a he's incredibly consistent. Player from the back of the court when he's playing well when he's when he's off his forehand sprays all over the place but this was the best I've seen in place since two thousand, eighteen season, which was when he beat veteran Hallo in Shanghai and helped Croatia win the Davis Cup and looked like he was on the verge of a bit of a breakthrough really or another breakthrough after his initial one years before that and yeah, he was he was really great and it's a it's taken awhile to get to this stage because I remember speaking to him. In Australia at the start of the year when he said he said that he goes on the court expecting to play badly. At the moment which was the which was how low his confidence was I mean that is. That's as low as confidence can get I think and it's taken them quite a while to rebuild it and this was. This was being rebuilt I. Think he looked he looked like a different man when he was mounting that comeback. Remember talking to you about an press conference of his that you went to Australia and being really affected by it. Actually I mean, I'm not sure he's he's this word, but it sounds to me like he's gone three periods of depression over the post. Few months will certainly something akin to it. The the the no joy. No. Joy in the game to think of this. This kid that was so ahead of the curve, you know he was getting wins a big full players before any of the sort of official next-gen emerged before the words next-gen had ever been thought of Little Aden outed he was. Know One of the original. What he was one of the catalysts for the for the conception of the next Gen, and then he sort of faded from its lineup in faded from the conversation somewhat and I think he's been affected by that I. Think she think there were some personality similarities between him and sit to pass a don't think they necessarily fit into the the laddish tool culture. I think they the keep themselves themselves little bit maybe a bit introverted quite thoughtful people I think church probably keeps a slightly better balanced. Than Sits Paseo margin is just rocking back and forth in it green somewhere at the moment. but yeah, I am chuffed. GonNa, Charge, but I I worry for pass because we know he takes defeats halt. I mean it was off to the French Open last. that much that he lost the Rinku which was not a choke the tool it was just a sensational match where. A play had to win. He said he didn't leave his bedroom for ten days or something. You saw him go off into the. Student you. Day, he was wearing a shirt. we've, sort of. Sort of going. Is. Pack, yeah It's I do worry about the effect that this could have on him, not not in some sort of existential crisis as such but more just how it may affect his career because this sort of lost does give you A. Real. Trauma I think and and. At least it can do and I can't imagine. Until he wins big match where he doesn't do that. and I don't even think that that completely vanishes it a think it's going to stay there I think he's got to do it multiple times. Now he's got a close out big matches multiple times. He's going to get rid of this from his mind that's at least logic would tell me anyway at least my logic would maybe he works differently maybe. I think there are some players maybe are able to put things away in a box PA- for him to be that affected on the court. Of all the people. I would not have expected this to happen to him. A really wouldn't there is absolutely no empirical evidence to suggest this to pass is a things were antibiotics Kinda guy. He's he's let's well on this. Song as possible do you have an existential crisis. Said to you that a player is going to lose six match points and lose a match from seven for the match forty level up. I really wouldn't have put him in that bracket because I think he's found the foundations of his game is so solid. His Physic- Keleti doesn't let him down. He was dumped in shots in the net he was shanking. And a really. Really. Don't understand that. Was it did you coined the term shopping on? On twitter. Did I say he got the shanks. Oh Did I. I think. Moment of inspiration that we witnessed. Yeah that's the thing he wasn't just missing. Slightly he was missing dramatically and I agree with you. David. Sit surpasses a is a player who I think has set belief in his game and trust himself and and I don't associate those sorts of players necessarily with choking no i. mean he he never? Seems more secure than Zverev for instance. I never think oh we're going to get. We could get twelve double-faults in a minute. Hey, you know order something we'll just bright down dramatically it took me it took as you said, Catherine, it took for. His peak to find a way past day and and you mentioned that that's an interesting. Point of discussion I mean, obviously, we know Zehra of has had a grand slam problem that's been well documented. Doing need to now think that sits surpass has a little bit of a Grand Slam problem. Okay. His breakthrough came at a slam which I think is maybe why why we haven't thought of it so far because he did have that moment, he beat federally got to the semifinals but since then will certainly since that loss to Rinca his grandson record is subpar though apply of his quality. This is the first time I've thought that and I think think Greg was that ski said on on the prime coverage today the outside of the Australian Open he's only beaten top fifty player at a slam once. which were, which is a really. Alarming record. So. If we're having that conversation about Zverev which we are. We probably should be having about six passes well. Greg thinks he greg come comes down in the middle of the raging mostly on social media arguments about whether he should sack his dad. Not from being his dad's from being his his coach. Gregg thinks that he needs to bring in another voice that keep it up the. Post losses going I think even if Stephanos told him to go somewhere think post loss probably wouldn't listen but keep keep him. They keep him around absolutely having their but you need another voice which sounds entirely logical to me except that there's no point in bring in the voice if they're either not going to be listened to or not going to be allowed. To properly express their opinion. I. Don't know whether this is true but I have heard rumblings about chiappa valve the reason coaching relationships kind of ready workout will have an impact is because basically his his mother is his coach. And and she no matter who's both on board that the voice is drowned out or guided And I'm not insulting that necessarily she's done a good job he's a good player but. Kind of negates the. Negates the point to bring in extra. So usually, no. He I believe he's still involved, but he is not a New York. His his mom his. His moments. Donahue who sits surpass what sort of character would work? As a coach in environment. I don't really know nobody really springs. To mind. I have no idea what he would be like as a coach overseas had the relationship was visiting about I know he's very close to Marcus bypasses. And they've talked about the possibility of a coaching relationship in the paused with that would be full moon little informally at an. But Y- I think we sits pass it would have to be somebody has some kind of emotional. To sound pompous about it. But you know thinking about how to pass would put it some sort of philosophical connection to I can't imagine him having a you know the sort of relationship that it's reported the Marina Sharapova N- Thomas Hoax stead had which was. Outside of the confines of the court, we do not hang out and shots. We don't talk about life ci the fight whatever sit surpassed need somebody that will. Listen To pour his heart. Fit Dinner about his. Twenty one year old life problems and Anybody. Heard the interview we did with spanked answers at the end of last year will be uplifted I'm sure and. I can't I just got away from that. So happy talking to him so. I can't imagine he would be anything other than a good influences a person. I think I think the thing with sit surpassed though is this situation that he's got with his father and actually his his family more generally kind of. Being. So involved in his career is that has been bubbling away as a potential problem for a little while now I mean it was a it was the ATP Cup when it really blew up and then account remember where it was but there was a press conference where his mom came to sit in on it the day are. Weird today after sits of passage said that he thought they were to involve. There's definitely A. Definitely a little bit of a problem there I think even if you go back to Paris last year, the French Open that match against for Vancouver, was were outbursts. The First. to Roy I had forgotten about his mom going to that press conference and asking a question. Go that was with. Yep Yeah. Didn't feel like it did in many favors. I. I'm sure sits Pascal source it out because he's that good I mean I matt a title Fuller Myself I had him on my semifinals. Authority could be a real threat to Jovic and he's not he's not even getting anywhere near that but I believe in him a believe in what he is as an athlete and the player but crikey this results. Logically. At least to me is a really tough one to get over. So we'll see we'll see whether it may may do a lot of good that he's got another Grand Slam to. Thrust himself straight into and get on the clay and. Build his way back up but yeah, it's it's a tough one. The biggest story of the day today. Is. The match that we saw between Serena Williams and Sloane Stephens and it was one that you really built up to on prime video and you'll coverage today catherine and quite Riley and I found absolutely fascinating to watch the spectacle didn't say the whole match. From start to finish I was but I had it on throughout while I was. Gone about my various. Business with my kids and cooking dinner and all the rest of it. But I was I was trying to work out. The turning point because Stevens took the first six two. And it was close early on at least in the second set. And then it's suddenly turned around and I couldn't really work out from the the the passing viewing that I was doing. Water turned what changed it or you? Really. I didn't fight you met but I'm not sure there was a moment there was i. don't think. So yeah. It just sort of just the natural break of the set. As is so often the case because if the beauty of Tennessee scoring system. It just. It provides an opportunity for first. Serena to. Regroup I, mean all the cliches I mean her her serve picked up. Was the big difference in sets two and three to set one for sure. Yeah. Absolutely and I think she I think she physically won't. I think losing that I the way she did. Loosened her up. She looks luggage sluggish in the opening set and. Sloan Stevens look smooth as she does when she's. Playing the way, she can so smooth and he just I think Serena. As any one playing sign Stevens can was made to look sluggish because you just don't. Pick which way selene Stevens is going to hit the ball. You seem to always be made to be on the run. It seems almost impossible to anticipate no matter how good non -TICIPANT A. Reader of the game you are it seems impossible to anticipate Saint Stephen's. She. Always seems to have much time and she so officiant with her with even when she's on. A. Sort of physically fade in that regard whereas Serena grew into the march which I think is really significant fishery neurology. I think then catchily as much as it was important that she finally got a couple of straight-sets wins in her opening team much is I. Think it's just as important that this almost three sets and she won anyway I am. Concerned for Serena in the scar tissue of leasing close matches. I'm. I think that could be a factor in in the next room when she faces sicario again Zachary some debate at prime towers about the coupons ation of that. So. Yeah. I I think actually. Today's result in school on. Of Dream I've always really concerned on her behalf early in that second set, she seemed to be late on bowls and that's I mean it seemed to me mainly because of Stevens Stevens being safe, fleet-footed, powerful, and reactive. She talented she just she almost. She just looked younger and better than Serena really for Senna bit and Then as she say that service such an equaliser isn't it for starting and yes slow Stevens from the reactions that I was getting because I just asked on twitter where's the turnaround here? Just wanted a bit of a consensus because I couldn't follow it closely enough and most quite a lot of people did think nets Sloan Stevens, went walkabout a bit for a while and that second set I think it's a huge win. For William's really massive weight I mean obviously it's a big win because. You don't win. You're not GonNa win the tournament, the context of it as you say, digging out of a hole and. Yeah I think. It's a massive massive when. I was also impressed by just how calm Serena state because a lot of the. Talk. In the moment is that she gets stressed in Grand Slam matches I would. I would slightly wrote back on that and I think she's got stressed in grandson. For. Sure. I'm not always sure she's been stressed guessing that quite so much. There's definitely been a difference when she got there maybe the Chung Action Australia would be would be an example where she did get stressed early on in the tournament. She was incredibly calm today and I think that was that was quite a positive sign and it did make. Slightly strange match. I must say I didn't I didn't find it completely compelling like normally would with Serena like familiar Serena on the brink in a grand slam is about as compelling sport gets usually because you see after dig deep and fight but. I'm sure she was fighting and overturning the match because obviously she did but she didn't have to extend of externalize any of that. It was it was all from within maybe that in itself is a is a positive sign that she's able to. She's able to turn around while also staying measured and calm. I also think it's doing the of goods to be with her daughter with a her husband as well. But I mean had door to there the moment she one had autism shown and it was it was wonderful really the the look on the kids face and. I think that yeah. That probably keeps a calm and inspired at the same time. I got a really good feeling I so in after that win must say And as you say, Maria saccharine next, which is and she's the player that Beata last week wasn't it and she was winning that match and then a very close second set tiebreak and then a really bizarre one-sided third set which. A few people thought. Williams kind of tanked. Towards. The end of which I didn't say will but. Remember anybody saying that about before. So the an and this, this looks like a refreshed Williams to me. And just a final note on her and anti sister Venus. If you haven't on chance to see. Yeah. Doing courage you do recommend going and having a read of New York Times piece by our good friend. Christopher clary. Another good friend of as Mary Carillo, pointed in its direction and the headline on the pieces with more black women. US Open shows Serena and Venus, his legacy and just to pick out a couple of. Lines from this piece. There's a quote from Haley Baptiste eighteen years of age received wildcards wildcard and she said it's amazing to see so many girls that look like me playing in this tournament in the main role. And in the tournament, there were twelve American players who are black in the women's tournament. And power is drawn to the twenty ten US Open. In which Serena was missing because of injury and Venus Williams was the only African American player in the women's singles draw and. Ten Years on twelve. African American players in the. And that's The players quoted they all talked about Serena intravenous, and when you see there, which is lined up a forty year old and a thirty, eight year old alongside these fifteen and sixteen year olds who are gaining entry into this tournament it's just. It's just incredible. Isn't it? It's wonderful to say and to see some clear then he had and. Evidence that it's made a difference to the widest boat. Yeah. They stuck around long enough to. To, be present furthering legacy, not just to be watching it from fall which I hope they are able to enjoy and I do wonder if if is a is A. Small pause may vacation for for sticking around you know with Every day they play every time they play Grand Slam match. There might be another future. Professional play or feature Grand Slam champion watching them that sees them and thinks, oh, I could do that. That is possible for me. I'm not must just be the most incredible feeling. Wondrous Amita vacation I certainly hope it is and very very well could be. This very uplifting. Absolutely. I think in that same piece Francis, tear fo was quoted as saying that that that is an inspiration for him. And that's part of the reason why he's playing him what he wants to do. Well, he's I think he's the only. African American in the drew this year on the men's side And there was an interesting point made in in the article which I would encourage people to read about why there's been more. In the women's game compared to the men's game, and one of the main reasons is the. Tennis is a tremendous provide sport for girls compared to boys in America who often? Have more. Sports to choose when they younger whereas tennis provides that pathway. So that's that's one of the reasons overstay along with the inspirational figures of Serena Venus and these these numbers off such a clear illustration and this doesn't just relate sleep very much relates to raise but not just raise everything such a clear illustration of why visibility representation is important because. You need to see it. To believe that it can be. Definitely. Also makes me just want to remind listeners that if you haven't already listen to our the Gibson and authorized podcasts, please do make the time because. It's because of people like them the Serena revenus ended up playing the sport ultimately, it was out there who Who broke the barriers down who she was the trial blazer and to was a multiple grand slam champion. And that's what gave gives the opportunity and her is something you should hear about and Arthur. Ashwell. He needs little introduction but to really hear his story is, is something I mean I kind of want to go back and listen to them and it's not because we'd. Produce them. It's just because the the store is the and I was listening to clips from Leslie Allen Speaking in those shows and this. So many contributions there that I'm really proud that we did those shows and and so you're gonNA listen. Raul. We're having a good time tonight. Thanks because I'm on my second baron anybody that's followed. This podcast in knows about two beers law knows that that spells trouble And Catherine has just cracked open her third beer and she's she's got a proper beer not somehow little bottles she said to the proper way. So yeah we're. Grab. Your right Catherine. Cans Heintz right mislead people. Yeah. Anyway. You're. You can handle as opposed to me. Right now Phoenix Oj. has today beaten. What's his name again? On. Current Muti. My formerly favorite player in the whole world. You I was. So looking forward to this match against Phoenix, and it ended up being a bit of a dud in terms of competitiveness but it was absolutely magical in terms of the play of Phoenix Osceola, including him, hitting the tween from near the back fence and still recovering in time data passing shot from a dropshot. So. That was wonderful from. And also matenaer were particularly taken by something that mutated. What did he do? He hit not one but two bulls out of the stadium and washing it back. It was even better than I thought. It was because he got the first ball from his pocket and wet out the stadium he requested the second ball from the bowl person. It took one bound more active straight out the look on the person's face was hilarious as if to say. About. That that's like Baghdadis. Racket smash sequence isn't it? Yes. The the calculated reaching for extra rackets. Wow I'm. It was so one sided actually quite nice of fate except to it's to say look current is actually better than this. He's better than what we've just seen in the first two sets I hate to say. Well this is. Getting. So excited about last night, but the the the hype train for Phoenix. Same in the last two days just gone off the scale it has left. The station has no. Station is so far away. And I probably got more infused by what he said straight after the match than even what I saw on court because he was asked this. Incredibly long winded question by the on Korten view, which is just though. This is not gonna go anywhere this answer because you've you've asked him. So you've given so much detail in that question and you're asking him about his killer instinct and I thought this is just going to. Bat this back and play straight bats and not not saying anything and and it I mean it was a deeply weird question wasn't exhibits was given. He said Oh you such a lovely man. Of, clearly never met this before in his life. Got The. Most fantastic answer. That question didn't deserve that good nuns. I'm question myself as a media. Interview now because this guy in spite of himself has just managed to. Get the best answer for emotional same ev and the quite was this Phoenix said I'm here to impose myself outside the court. I'm a pretty kind person, but once I step on the cold, it's the best man that wins only one survives. You've got to step it up with that animal in killer instinct. Now. That is a fantastic quiet, and it also is a quote I was holding not expecting regardless of the question it just showed to me that's something he has been actively working on is. Not Being a nice guy, who's an incredible athlete but being a winner. What is your favorite podcast? Matt, they call they call this stuff in the Gulf world in no lane up, they call them. A killer rather than a dog I never understood why dokes the dog but I understand? Yeah. They'll dog's delight. And Dogs Fancy turn to look the part but you know be be lovely generally is the another podcast equivalent a fangs Yes Mary things. He's actively trying to develop his own fangs and he said it's almost like positive affirmation if I say it. I'm GonNa do it I think he has a meter he confirmed the phoenix ordinarily seem has fangs. I mean, the the the blue hit a humiliating tweet. Leading six one, five, love. Those. Are Fangs as far as I'm concerned. Ruthless Yeah well that. His. His words matches tennis at the moment and his tennis is smothering his opponents with his forehand and giving them giving them no time at all I think oversee whenever we see a younger players I think it's. Is Natural to try and draw comparisons comparison. The most obvious one is probably to talk of Asian terms of the movement and the and the smoothness of it or when the defensive skills but there's that safety hardwired into Jackovich's game and is part of what made him so so strong in tight moments throughout his career I think. PHOENIX. Seem is much more of a risk taker than than I realized he was with that four forehand. So aggressive with it and agree turtle and an occasionally he will. He will make errors but when he's not making them. He's such a false he's just he's just he's just on, you like a wave and the and there's no room to breathe and it almost becomes a bit federal like in that in that respect where it's Quick and it's Punchy tennis and. It's it takes some stopping and at the moment neither marry nor. have had any chances whatsoever. Even shouldn't you've made? New dully sorry, you've made federal and give them my points. You've made federal and Jovic comparisons there but for me. The better. Well, the the one that springs out to me is the dull I'm I've definitely spent too much time with Gregg now but yeah, he's I mean not just because of the whole fangs on the call sort of sweet shy unassuming guy off it as as a very crude obvious. Comparison, but but the four hundred is the Dalai, the by can being a bit flatter. The the this the. Cowboy looking wild risk, take shots that actually have have more margin have deceptive margin for repeat built into them because of the spin on them they. plop in the last minute. Yeah, I am the the. Competitive Instincts I think Yeah. So you I mean, it's not that we're it's not the with jumping on board the hype train or anything, but we just compared to federated dull and Jovic rolled into walk. Anyone composition three best male players on. Can. I just say take you back about a year and three months to Queens. Last year. or Yes. Clean this this year. David. Yeah. About Biz, almost two tube is one and a half years. Thanks. To Queens last year he plays Nick curious on the second court. And curiosities playing. Playing. Very well, but he's behaving abominably towards the end he is trying he's I'm not saying he's trying every trick in the book, but he's but he's he's doing everything that curious does is doing in terms of antics litter be trick shots with the anger on the colts and losing his temper four people. And it goes deep into a third set and I. You know kind of seventy five or something like that in the third set for this young young Latte and in never he doesn't blink once in in not once he let curious get to him the beats him and that that really struck me at the time even though I've. I think he lost his way towards the end of last year at times in some been some matches that I. Really. I. Feel a bit quizzical as to how he's lost that one always sticks with me because it takes such a lot to to deal with and afterwards. Career you never hear curious about word about him he loves him and how could you not? What's what's to not like about this guy? He's a great kid and he's just an incredible athlete. Well. is a might not have belly button. That WANNA get. He said today in his press conference something I found interesting which was that. For, the last last year or so he thinks he might have been slightly getting ahead of himself and looking further ahead in draws rather than just playing the opponent i. Associate that with him I've always thought he probably rose quite. To grounded and measured, and as you said, that kind of comparison adult taking everyone. Completely seriously and I'm I'm not saying that he wasn't taking them seriously but I think he thought that the results that the bigger results might come even slightly faster than they have I mean that sounds like. With dictators thing to say because he is still so young but. He was talked about from really really young. We've known about free eggs. Seem for a long time and he said he has had the justice mindset and realize that he still needs. He still needs to win these matches to get to the big matches is not just going to happen and and I think that's I. Think there's a shift in both mindset and also the ways playing now against these. Opponents who is better than he's going out there and he's trying to crush them and is kind of born out in more these set there about that killer instinct. Is He contended for this title as we stand now I mean look I didn't have him in my quarterfinals I'll admit that. But as we stand here right now. Could he win it? Kind of feels like this one contender that's the problem I think he's got. Yeah I think take Jovic of the equation and yes. Always apply that to every everybody else in would be a potential contender I think Jovovich and then I would say. Medvedev and team. Yeah and then and then maybe Phoenix. And actually, he's due to play team if team can be chilly tonight as we. Record Right now it's two twenty six in the morning here in the UK and at the moment we've got an sue bond stole more of a match between on Stupa and Severe Kenan, which is a match we rule looking forward to and and Jabbar was leading by break next level of five games on everything he wished it would be. And after this team against Chile CH-. So we'll. We'll update you on all tomorrow as to what we've what we've learned to what we've what we've seen and what's happened that lineup will look like. You mentioned Francis earlier on to mention his straight sets, win other Martin, foot you bitch, which is a fantastic win because t.f being. Treading water really for quite a while. This is a real. The floor is now I think he's so he's into the fourth now. Is that right? Yes fourth-round and I think he didn't think he'd never beaten through traffic before yet to to dead yeah of favor and he he went out and get crushed him in straight sets and I didn't see a lot of that match but from from what I read and what I heard people saying it was it was some of the best tennis cfo ever played and that is. Would suggest them. VASIC Pospisil a surprise winner over Roberta about history. Good. That's a very, very good. Win. It was that was in five wasn't it off for five cents two cents to one down against about east too and he looked like he was having a power outage facet pospisil look like like about Easter Goo had him exactly where he wanted him drawing him into long rallies and kind of sucking the life out of him, and then suddenly appeared to get a second wind pospisil was was prob-. Probably the best tennis I worked all day on this persona knows last couple of sets just hitting winners from all parts of the court and. He's he's got a game that he can impose when he plays and get forward and come to the net and. He's he's a man who's quite difficult to start when he gets on a roll as well. Yeah the the first season is funny that the the Canadian men having such mazing week and males around. Here off Delos. Week it's yes. No. One would have thought that if you if you said candidate, if you said before the US Open calendar just to tip you off in the predictions candidate are going to have a good tournament. An ARA OCCA- going to get a put round inch of final or whatever. And Postal now faces Alex door who I mean that could be a re-instituting match clash of styles and all the rest of it. And one today Olsen five cents. But didn't he had he had a love six, four six. Scoreline. Against Him in the second and third cents against Kern Hutchinson of yeah. It was really bizarre. Just, two sets where he completely checked out and he he came into his press conference and the first thing he said he's Adler to apologize. I thought he was going to apologize for his moustache but. He didn't and he apologized for his attitude he was he was really annoyed with himself that he has kind of checked out smashed his racket disappointed that he you know he doesn't. Himself better standards the that I think mono and kind of credit to him that he did manage to come back winning five hatch Nov.. I found. To whelming I must say I'm. Slightly bemused by by his. What he's trying to do on the coal is such a big guy with a big game and he doesn't impose himself seems to be the theme of this podcast trying to impose yourself well, action of really doesn't and. Demo- at points felt like he was out hitting him and I mean that really shouldn't be happening I. Mean I like a good player. Action of Scott Weapons he's unable to deploy them I. don't think slightly quicker. Helped Him I. Think he likes it to bounce. So he can kind of goes into his hitting range a bit more but. Yeah he's. He's another one who is not had the Grand Slam results that that you would expect. t.f effort by the way plays against Medvedev who is also a straight sets win over the man with the mullet. Today and Dr Group Life What was his name again? T T JJ. Wolf. John Jeremy Jerry. Isn't it Jeffrey John Jeffrey Joe. Granddad when he's Jj will fee sounds like. The school bullies brother. I did I did hear from Leon Smith on five live today saying that not only did he have a mullet like on drag Z. from the early nineties he also has a backhand quite reminiscent of Agassi's so. I'll be looking at the future. Today. Well, no straight-sets. Very Good Yeah Andre Rib love also, very comfortable winner and in the women's draw. Fatana Perron. cavs run goes on she beat Don Jr.. Elise Mertens beat Katie McNally I watched a little bit of that where now he was serving for the first set and didn't quite get job done turned. Still. There still little straits strides forward firm Nali. Again she hasn't had I suppose you could destroy her three-set loss to Serena here. Last year is moment. She hasn't had that huge breakthrough moment or result, but just steroids little steps and. I'm excited about where they might lead her. She's really cool. Of strides currently, the Muka went through today against the woman beat Johanna Konta, saronic hysteria, but it was so close summit closer than again than I would have expected to stay very very nearly one and it was a final set tiebreak. She had a match point Khustar she had. Three. I think three back to back in. I mean the one I. was. Macabre coming in. Your Way and it was just the sort of ten is the kind of wanted to get off facing give a round of applause because of the the construction of a point line. Ending with a volley at the net, not just to sort of random put away but a properly constructed my intention is to get to the net in order to win this point. He's Great Muka of. IF THEY HADN'T I. If the old pandemic hadn't happened in the rankings haven't been shot to hell she could have been in the end of atop turn. Is She in the mix. Yeah, who of the Lost Sixteen in the women's is not in the mix. I would say look of is not in the mix because I think Victoria's rank will probably Patriot in the next round I think he needs to be as a ring to get in the mix. Yeah. Okay. Fine. She. Agree with the because Merton. Her quarter-final opponent would be mertens or the winner of Cannon Ingeba? So who's not who else is not in the mix of the sixteen? Perron cover. Not Putting Mertens Perron cover click. Anything Murthy th you would be surprised if she reached the final. Mertens yeah would. Yeah I. Would I think Mertens is one of those players who tends to come. When she plays someone who is better than her that sounds like a weird sense. She hasn't really the ceiling. She hasn't had any really big wins. She's she doesn't have that super auxiliary gear. Seating. Yeah. No, she's. She's a very, very good plan, but she's sick. Oh, she saccharine in the mix. No, not until she's beaten Serena. Great I don't think Putin savers in the mix. She's a martyr Walmart No. So I think. Abbas. Absolutely in it. Radi. Brady's an outsider. The Brady's not curb in my opinion. And even she's the favorite with the book is apparent, which is absurd. David and I had some collaborative donald about this surfer. Or what would you do you think `British ability should be favored to beat Cupboard Labor will I Picked curb to win that match and not that much of a disparity in the old between them and I think. And I think you know. odds-on same as predictions. We don't know and then the same feelings. Anyway moving on. Feelings collaboratively dialogue about something else Andy Roddick. Agree to disagree collaboratively. What does that say settled the argument? Well, it's only going to dialogue. Sorry dialed. Into further, the dialogue he always says form and confidence over experience. Yeah I. Mean The completely facetious point that I was going to meet your what's up, but I didn't want to poke the already angry bear. Was, would you just? Repeatedly making the point the nose insulting to to curb. He's one grand slams. I was GONNA say boy did you pick? Martina Navratilova Jennifer Brady and I saw. A sausage typing I thought that was annoying. Also. silly. Fast is annoying but. I was GONNA say. Extension of the point you were making I was GonNa say, would you pick marrying Chile over-dominant team and then I remembered that you did do that Yes I did. Yes I did. Pacific in by the way has just somehow managed to win that set against Uber seven four in the tie-break or what a woman as she says she's in the mix. Issue in the mix. Signed no still. I I just I. Love what she wants to buy a don't see her. In grandson mixes. And hope that I hope I'm wrong. Look. Every mix as things stand I don't see her in a grand slam mix in my lifetime. Ext.. However, I really hyper on a really. Hope I'm wrong. So. So there's that. A. You're damning this we. Might not be as good a play residual. The is his brother breeze in the drool. Look I love on I would pay to watch her play above ahead of so many grandson champions but. Lifetime's. Running into sify Kenan and ilk. End. Final the final discussion. I, think we'd better just talk about human the Denisovich intimate abolish who have been thrown out of the doubles tournaments. have been told that they couldn't play today. And I. Still Don't completely understand what the difference between them and Adr Marino arena yesterday was circumference. Can you explain I think today's dialogue was less collaborative. So what it seems to be to me and I looked. For backup and guidance here is that the player hotels both of them are in. Nestle County. which is under a different jurisdiction to the Billie Jean. King National Tennis Center in the tournament, which is in the city of New, York. So the USDA have reached an agreement with the city of new. York with the help of Governor Andrew Cuomo. Choose to have these protocols and regulations in place for the players that are. Sort of separate to their little employee of existing state and. The existing city protocols coronavirus. And they apply. At the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center. Nassau, county in that almost forty hours have introduced. New if she new eat it about people that have been in close contact with those have tested positive for covid nineteen dictating that they have to entirely quarantine for I think. Fourteen days. And that would include. Key Denisovich Kirsten Flip Flip Kuenz the Ben wallpaper eleven if you will. I believe nobody is explicitly said this but the implication therefore is that the sole difference between Audrey Drian Marinas, situation and key humid- benefit situation today is that At the time that people were. Registering this slight shift in the situation I'd remember we know was already on site. At the Billie Jean King National Tennis. Center. Where is Christina Medina? Vich was still at the hotel in Nassau County. It raises the question for me. What would have happened if address marina would one is much yesterday would have had to stay. Live at the tennis center in order to be able to play his next match I mean I'm suitable a know it sounds silly but. Soon, if genuine will. Ellen niff- Allen. Peres. Who's a doubles player and Seems to be some kind of spokeswoman for. Lower ranked tennis player certainly on twitter. She often uses a platform to talk about ongoing issues and she said she understood that if men Reno had won and comeback to the hotel, he would have to have been also withdrawn from the tournament. So I think we can read into that. The only way from an arena to stay in the tournament. Yeah probably would have been. Staying on sites. Throughout the duration that he was left in, which is A. An absurd situation. Really. But. Yeah. Over Steve Overstay, they are right for the dictated by the. Policies of the various areas. Square it's quite hot. Hetero and isn't it that we're in the situation I suppose that applies to sign many aspects of the pandemic and to be fair USDA have have thought of so many things and then an incredible together this thing staged but. That one feels really uncomfortable. Now I think they didn't have a choice about the decision today and if the Twenty. Four hours but I think where this kind of ood started was when they allowed the pauvres eleven to play I, think I think by making that concession they they did make it a lot more. Complicated and I know some people are praising that decision because people. Did get to play the tournament and there has been an awful lot of four out in the last few days and and it all stems from that decision if those players had simply been withdrawn in the same way that Kita Pella had. Yes, that is still difficult on them but I think I think they would have avoided these these knock on issues. Yeah muddied the waters in created a situation which was. Ripe for this sort of drama and the inconsistency that we've. We've landed up with I have no issue with strict protocols whatsoever I I believe in them and I have very little time for tennis players or anybody objecting to the move complaining about them. Because they knew what they were signing up for and be this is the world we're living in the world that everybody else's living in I do they have a lot more sympathy with? Lack of consistency of rule application. And That seems to be where we've ended up. The USDA had no say in what happened to the Denisovich today. As as we've made the point. They've they've sort of tied their hands behind their backs a little bit and I'm you know I I'm sympathetic. It's the by and large they've. They've done really well. That was potentially a bit of a slip. But. Gives me. I'm very surprised that Milosevic didn't do an instagram live today. For the night vacation or done. So we've heard the last of our. I think she's got to spend about the next ten base in that hotel room well now in issue with them, not being able to get to Roy Moore isn't that? Qualifying, Rome is begins next week end of next week. So I think custom flip would be playing qualifying Rome as it stands at the moment she don't think she would be able to get there in time I mean. This. Isn't going away. Basically, this is going to rumble on. And there will be more repercussions and these tennis players in are locked in a room with Internet and devices. So yes. There's no getting away. I've just been thinking about how many giant Jimbo chocolate chip cookies I would get through if I had to live on site at Flushing Meadows. Be a lot well. Hang on he he wasn't seated so you wouldn't have somebody. Eight thirty to thirty second seed so you would have had a sweet. It just needed a blow up bed. Those are quite good. They stay suites decked out. So it's it's fine hundred. Unfortunately. lost. Anyway. Right. Well, there's another tennis podcast in the books. For another day. Let's just have a very quick look at the order play. For tomorrow what days it tomorrow Sunday, and it will starts with. Slightly, Bizarre Selection on authorized stadium I up video. Putin saver against Petra Martic which I'm sure it'd be a good match. But why that's got the stage over Angelique Kerber against Jennifer Brady I don't really understand maybe because marches the eight seed but I'm surprised over former champion. Is more going on there than it just being the highest seeds must be TV preference may be player WHO's made request. I Don us. It seems story after that. It's Novak chocolate against public arena booster in the evening. Good Evening Section on Authorized Stadium chiappa valve against Davidge Goffin that he's a match macho at Happily Watch. and. Even more save cameo soccer against the knit cultivate which I think could be a bondstone. Could be a late night tomorrow night. Yes. If if is fit I think she wins. She's not. Fit Enough I think cultivate wins or I think concert wins. There's my prediction. Right. What do you think Matt? I'm sticking with a soccer because I we winning the tournament so you too all in on a soccer because you have to be. Now. David. The right. There's your little highlights of tomorrow's order play. We'll be back with another one of these tomorrow night Katherine we will be presenting on Amazon prime video if you're in the UK can watch wonderful presenting. From the pre-game show from three thirty PM in the UK tomorrow. Greg. Greg Craig. And then we will be back. A new nominee I love them they're great, and then we've got with the new tennis podcast tonight and every single day through week two of the US Open. So Lisa Review on I changed enjoying them do tell anybody who might want to listen And we'll speech tomorrow by.

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"Hi this is Marian Body. This is Martina Navratilova. Mats Wilander at this is Mary Carillo from thunder borrowing. I'm letting Hewitt. I'm Marie this is Matt Yoder from Hartford Ohio. And you're listening to the tennis podcast. So big thank you to met Yoda from Ohio. Our kickstarter Becker who has been one of our introduction introductory back here on the tennis podcast for Twenty Twenty Match Yoda. We Need Star Wars character at a time like this fills to me and Catherine Whitaker is our faithful Jeddah in Putney Matt Roberts is in the south somewhere. None of us are in the same room for obvious reasons. And what you've just made an already incredibly portraiture situation David vote-rich splendid so. Thank you matt. Splendid it was. Well we need Star Wars characters and Matt's Yes we do so. Thank you Yoda for introducing. This edition of the tennis podcast. Look Yeah we're probably still gonNA make some silly jokes like that. At least I am because I don't really know how else to behave at the best of times let alone when we are all facing a global pandemic as we are right at the moment but what you can be assured of. Is that your tennis podcast? Just not the photo. Tennis podcast is here in just a recording. Wear Black yes. I should say my first beer of the day is an Irish stout yes and and therefore I can't be completely held responsible for the content of this podcast but yeah we we're going to cover play a serious stuff as well but we're also going to do what we normally do like. I've just not the phone over and etc but when we were with you last week we were talking. I think it was the morning with a day of Indian Wells being cancelled that that feels like a long time ago. Doesn't it is extraordinary. How quickly new normals emerge in times like this yeah? It was a week ago that it was absolutely shocking and soy's making unthinkable that an event is lodges Indian Wells had been cancelled seemingly out of the blue and within four hours. I end for the people were up in arms about the fights that Miami hadn't been instantly cancelled and lots of other events and been canceled in Two days later I was watching the the Cheltenham festival racing event happening my TV thinking. It is preposterous. That this is going ahead and now seven days later feels completely normal that pretty much any social engagements Outside of the home is unthinkable Let alone anything involving mass gatherings It's the the the pace of change and an adjustment is is something I've I've never experienced before. In in my lifetime Indian Wells was the first domino to fall really wasn't in since then every sporting event in the world is just gone before our eyes. Liam and a now. You're thinking as you said. Catherine at the time we were thinking was the right decision to cancel Indian Wells. Now you're thinking well what on earth would have happened. If they hadn't canceled I mean they would have probably got about day one day two and had to stop it halfway through the thing like the events that were going on that week had to had to be stopped immediately when ATP came out with a six week suspension. It was it was really extraordinary. How quickly everything changed in impressively precent. Doesn't it the the decision made by By Andy Models. I think there was a bit of reception in various coaches at the time that they had had jumped the gun. Perhaps that the tournament heads. Yeah Yeah had jumped the gun And maybe they had but as discussed in last week's podcast. Oh this is every reason to be overly cautious in to jump the gun. I mean in in terms of response to to what's going on jumping the gun and trying to to to get ahead of the curve seems to have been the the best response that that anybody is is been able to have to it so I think that decision by Larry Ellison and Tommy Haas and not tournament boo stand in time as as a very good one in a very present one since then surveying you up today if you haven't followed all of it was pretty soon afterwards that the ATP announced a six week suspension of the entire ATP circuit. Meaning that Miami wouldn't happen. That was initially announced on by Dade County the sort of the Wider County of Florida. If that change my bag is still packed. Ready to go to say that I mean everybody's been following that on social media that's all we've been paying any attention to on the tennis podcast feed so we've got so go. So how are we going to fill the other remaining and having to string out the The unpacking Sauger. For as long as I can. I mean. I'm quite happy to do that. Don't worry we've got guests today the minute he needs days when you've got the groove when I will unpack my one remaining seat case. I'm telling you we've got prompt attended. Coming up on the tennis podcast. In a matter of seconds so David genitive six weeks better content surreal knees struck line if the tennis hanging there. Kirk come for the Real Plaza and get through the Star and so we had this six weeks suspension announced that means no Miami no Charleston on the W. T. side this was an issue of the ATP announced on their own unilaterally. Canceling MIAMI MONTE-CARLO IS GONNA go and everything. Bassi up until the end of of April and bit by bit. The WTI came pretty much to the same conclusion but they tried to do it one at a time rather than just doing a complete block of canceling everything. That's where we stand. At the moment we have had another update today a WTI saying because of the ongoing Global Corona Virus outbreak the WTO tournaments in stood guard Istanbul and Prague in April Arcane to be cancelled as well and so everything is suspended on. Wgn Tore now until may the second they say we will make a decision in the week ahead regarding the remaining Wti a European play caught tournaments are monitoring the situation closely so it may not be the end of of the constellations even even now so here we are amid March. We know we're not GONNA get any tennis on the women's side until may the second so let's talk to a couple of the players who are out in India wells who were affected by this situation starting with the British number. One on the men's side Down Evans World Number Twenty eight career high ranking of twenty eight. I had a little chat with him before he went to Indian wells initially when he was still in Dubai and I sensed then he was pretty anxious about the whole situation the fact that he was going to go back to the UK just for a couple of days then flats California he he. He really didn't know what to expect when he got there so I asked him first of all what it was like when he got to think like nothing was was any different at the Stop I actually went to San Diego for two is a few members at the club. She said to me all year. We're not going down to endure wells issue because of the corona virus and I mean always on our. I guess you know they were. They were older members to in. This guys says always decided that Mr Tikey precautions and we go down there and as I'm sure you're not a tennis player not the most You know pretty isolated in their own world and no already set much until I think it was. It was pretty much the die before qualifying stay there was there was is that it was GONNA get cooled off. Alan. Yes big big room Sula started unethical cooled off for the the die before Listen to the Health Minister of I think it was California or cut Coachella Valley and he said that he might have statement about into wells. I would be the guy who would be calling off sedan Sort of happened. It was all very vivid surprise really but then at that I. It wasn't so much surprise if she knows all the severity of Then not long after the Miami consolation when it was a pandemic what was the week. What's a week been like since then because they were they were letting everybody stay? Weren't they in use Indian Wells for an stay in the the accommodation? What did you? What was it like being around the other players at that time? Yeah well I mean we started like there is a few few different people two different things so that was advised to not leave the country because remodel belt guest in back in and then does seem like he was defeating the jets. If people could have committed that would have been Miami really and then it was all pretty strange. You know I didn't make didn't like practicing one was we? Were supposed to be playing. It seemed you know pretty no atmosphere. There was no saying it was terrible so applies to be to be honest and I find it pretty hard too noisy to be motivated but everyone was brought to which was destroyed thing. I've always prided everyone was eating together. So it was all this. It was all surreal India wiles. And then as said when we heard W hite sugarcoated upon Devon. Everybody was booking flights that I think you know the wrong. Who was on the Wolf for Miami? And obviously they've called on the ADP side. They pretty much immediately called a six week. Holt to the toll now. That's that's a pretty far reaching impact for so many people I mean in even in our little ecosystem of tennis. Yeah you've had a good a good start to the good last year so you'll have built up some some finance that you can. You can weather a period like that. But not everybody's in that both I would imagine no I guess not a not much anyone can really do is right now. It's it's a terrible situation for everybody you know thankfully no one just yet tested positive Well not as far as I know. That's my thing is to keep everybody healthy. I think that's the reason why the tournaments have been I think consoled in on the six week pulls to the Tool the tournament it's You know obviously a difficult time for everybody involved like just said you know even dancer. People Work Torments Aichi sponsored of player? Who is a my fly? And he wasn't sure she was getting paid or not. You know which is the end of the day. That's what everybody wants to have it as they go to to work to get paid. Because I have stuff to pay for the livelihood. Juno Dot Com. Mr Bill could fail in for for anyone. Don't know if you're going to get paid in the NFC can't for everybody. Ron and in Great Britain and the world. Yeah I mean you. You obviously had a period of time out the game. We we know the reasons for I remember you talking about the time that you found it quite hard sort of just not having the purpose in a way is it. Is that something that you feel may might help you in a way that you've at least had experience of that. If if we're able to to practice I don't see I. If I were to practices stuff adultery the six weeks been been that much of an issue for me personally You know we. We can't change if we went tool could go onto Daylight Spain I think. The chargers for For everybody really literally doing nothing because it is a that will be. I will be pretty tough I as you know one guy who's in Madrid and he died on lockdown. I called leave and he said his you know not not good whole so. I'm hoping that doesn't happen but if it does then you know the Be Interesting to see how that works. I for for the tennis players in that Stan Evans and a similar question to Bethany Matic Sense. Who's won nine Grand Slam doubles and mixed doubles titles? In her career she felt her injury. Lay-offs over the years would help with the adjustment of so much off time and the other players would find a way through it as well. I'll I'll give some tennis player the credit that we're all we're all pretty mentally strong and we could figure swings out. And we've we've done this probably since we've been juniors clain but you know I think for the most part everyone's GonNa keep training. I'm back home here in Phoenix. I'm able to practice as the courts next to me are are still open and I actually have a gym set up in my garage so I'm doing garage workouts which is about to start posting their instagram with life. Because there's not much else going on of but it's you know it's crazy like there's no live sports right now. There's no you know there's people are sitting at home and you know they're watching Netflix reruns. I mean there's only so much news I know I personally can watch and then I'm like I got a I got you know. Have a little bit more positive new my day and You know still be constructive. I think for me personally prioritizing. My Day with things to do is still important like having that routine even though it's not my normal routine it's ha it's making a slightly different routine that I can stick to Dermot Day helps keep me inspired and motivated And just not you know Finding myself wondering why or you know worrying about the future too much. Because there's there's just a ton we can't control right now majority of it. We can't control and I think that's where you know I you know I'm challenging myself to sort of like. Oh what I can't control. And here's what I can control And that's you know for me personally. Reducing a little bit of the anxiousness in and negatively. You've had a great career already in an of some some good prize money along the way and in a long career. Not Everybody is in that position on the tennis circuit. D- do you sense people the players that you know. Maybe that that haven't had such such an amount of success award. I think so I I think again. I'M GONNA lump. You know some other people in different careers in all across the board that you know. Let's say you are living paycheck to paycheck or week to week. You there is going to be some concern on. What are you going to do? And that's I mean that's a massive one and I think players do fall on that that boat where it's some of them really can't afford to six weeks off. I mean you know the you know the the good thing about it is. You're not incurring extra expenses you know like for travelling and things like that but for most players were still. Let's even say you still have a coach. You still have a trainer and we still have regular bills. We still have houses and apartment and phone bills and of couldn't Netflix. You can't stop it. Net flicks now either leads. So it's it. I think there's definitely a lot of players that fall in this in this boat and They're the ones that are. I think you know a little bit more stressed as they as they should as they can be. It's you know it's sort of come together as not just as you know the world in general in each country but even the tourists come together in a sort of figure some some other options out see what we can do to work together even with tournaments with the tour with sponsors. You know there has to be something you know eventually. We'll all I mean I'm looking at positively but eventually we'll all get back into a normal routine and start playing again Started his tournaments. But you know. I think it's worth sort of meeting And figuring out what we can do in the interim I think that'd be really helpful especially for players that are sort of followed in that category of not sure how they're going to go too long without making money. It's very difficult. Isn't it for the Tours and the tournaments? I mean this is unprecedented. We've never seen anything like this. How have you found the decision making in the in the communication lines so far? I think that I think that's a challenging question because on one side you would. You would like to say I. We wish we could have known about some things earlier. Let's say even Indian Wells. I mean you have players that are getting ready to play in twelve hours. And could they have told US earlier they know sort of all this information earlier but like you said this is sort of unprecedented in. It's really you know everyone is sort of trying to get the best info the most current info. And what you know you got to weed through like what's exaggerated. What's not exaggerated like where? Where do we fall? And we gotta let everyone know Things and I think once once B. P. did get canceled. I think we were on a pretty good communication as far as at least for the women's tour another ATP. The guys were in touch with their player. Board reps all the players have been in touch with our player rep so I think once we kind of new ones. Bnp cancelled that was sort of the trickle. Down effect like we Miami. You know wasn't sure but it you know I. I was looking for a situation where we didn't wait till the day before Miami. Everyone flew to Miami and then waited for that to happen and then cancelled it in another twelve hours before we played so I think once the initial sort of confusion before was BNP getting cancelled or not cancelled was probably the only time wherever what felt like they were. It was a little bit. You know they had. There wasn't a lot of good communication After that I think it's it's definitely gotten better like we have open communication with the tour. There's a separate email if we have questions about whether it's points whether it's Prize money whether it's rain rankings. You know We can. We've been getting communication within twenty four hours sometimes within an hour on big questions that we all have and I think That's been really helpful for for us. And but the main thing was I think everyone was really trying to figure out where they want to be before. These travel bans Came into play. I mean that was. That was the big question. We're just it's an Internet Tennessee's an international sport. There's only a couple that have That live in the US. And maybe there's a couple of foreigners that have places in the US. But for the most part I think everyone sort of wanted to get home and get situated and be ready for sort of what was GonNa Happen Next. And of course we. We don't know from here. What will happen next to the tennis is not going to be played for the next five. Six weeks been told anything beyond that at this stage. I had not been told anything I don't as of right now. Did the I know some of the clay court the European clay court events did cancel themselves. I don't know that The I know the ATP made an official statement. I'm not sure if the deputy has officially Added the blanket six weeks in the WTI has done. It's a little bit more gradually in tried to take a bit more case by case but pretty much until the end of April So it's it's more or less in line now but I guess it'll be revised and considered again as we go along. Yeah so that's I and that's the thing that I have heard you know right now. The big questions are I mean you think of something. That's coming up later that you're like Olympics you know for ten is a you know for some sports. They've already selected their athletes. They know they're going for tennis. We take points up until French. Open so you know big question or even Wimbledon Champ. Sorry and it's like where Where does that fall like? Where do like if you were defending points from last year. If you know you're not like with like these are all the questions. I think that the tour is more concerned about right now. versus even trying to figure out. Hey in seven weeks. I think we'll be able to play on it Just because this is never misses never happened on this big of scale again. We've had tournaments cancelled. Maybe here and there but we figured out with. There's been another one that week. Something to that effect Never anything like this so I think we're just we're asking everyone in a holding position You know I'm communicating directly with Steve. The rest of the player board. And you know just giving my giving my opinions and thoughts but until then there's just really they gotta shifts through a lot of information. I'll I'll let understandable. Well Bethany thank you so much for giving us an insight into into your world at the moment and I hope it's a world that for everybody involved in tennis around the world that improves. And and wish you all the very best Daphne. If something changes in the next few weeks that we can jump on a call again knowledge give you the update so don Evanston Bethany mastic sense to pledge who've been right at the heart of things on the main circuit. I mean I think at some point we'd love to speak to to some players. Further down the rankings who who really affected financially and get an insight from for what they against because we we know so many people. I mean both of them mentioned in the course of the interviews that I did with them. The number of people that are affected the the ordinary person the street who who might be volunteer or might just work at tournament. Want us to time that we know so many media colleagues who who were kind of freelance spaces and frankly we're all freelance. You know we. We have had a lot going on over the years and have been able to to build some business but I mean it does affect everybody and Evans. They're referencing UMPIRES. Who Go week to week this just so many people very interesting to hear their views and then things have moved on again because they're they are best talking about trying to get back into preparation for returning to the tour. Catherine Dan Evans was saying that he was planning to meet Mark Hilton. His coach up in Birmingham tomorrow. He stained down and Cheltenham at the moment is is Evans. Where where he's based with his girlfriend and Hilton coming down from Nottingham. And now where do they stand given that? The British government has just announced that no essent non-essential content should be made. Socially between people does that many can does that mean economy. It's it's so difficult for everybody and and including tennis lies right now. Yeah I mean but in every country. The advice is is different right. I think in this country in this quad load of feeling. That too much is being left open to interpretation. I think people just groping for certainty. Right tell me what I can and can't tell me what say Kay Of the the the situation of tennis players and indeed people like us you know we work in a pretty unorthodox industry. There's no kind of is legislating really is is all it's all pretty unique issues and situations that we're all faced with An make we're having to to figure out navigate the uncertainties we go in. There are no there. Were no click on season. It's all just so so discombobulating I guess a Lotta people have this image. In the mind of any any top Athle- they've got gym in their house and they've got a tennis court in the back garden and they'd go anyone. They need on cool and all the rest of it well On. What saying the violins out for him. But Dan Evans is top thirty tennis player and he is going to be facing very real impediment to to continuing his training by the sounds of things let alone people in Italy. I mean I'd love to if there's any tennis players based in Italy Spain for that matter listening that that would be up for talking to his. Then please get in touch because I would really love to hear about what's going on there. I mean this I think one of the one of the very particular aspects of what's going on is that we hear sort of the facts of what's going on on the ground it's very difficult to get the actual inside feel event because we're all supposed to be keeping a distance from from one another. I so report on the news earlier where the reporter was interviewing couple along. Brighton beach and she said. Don't worry we came. We came prepared for this and she got out this extra long microphone extension stick. It was like a sophie stick but two and a half meters long and she did this interview to meet his way with this long stick and then she did this piece to camera where she was obviously standing about five meters away from the camera and she was really out of focus. It just looks completely bizarre but yeah I mean nobody can. Nobody can get into the hospitals into the flats worldly people in Suffice Latian. All of that. We know the facts of it but actually viscerally feeling is is really really difficult. Isn't it So I'd love to hear about. It is as much as possible And we all trying. We are trying but it's It's hard to get people at the moment. Because this is a situation whereby the the the measures being taken involve is ally slating from one another in that that makes so many things so difficult and I think this whole situation is reinforced in my mind. Is that when we when we occasionally get messages from people telling us to stick to tennis when we you know doing slams? If some sort of controversy comes up maybe we maybe we do it on that more than more than the tennis in on certain days. Well I think this this whole crisis has just shown how tied up ten is's with the real world really whether it be social issues or climate issues or political issues while this is a massive health issue which is impacting tennis. And we're GONNA look at it through tennis perspective and it's so intertwined because you know I think it's a I think it's something going forward. Where when tennis does come back we will. We won't ever take it for granted. You know we will always keep it in mind with everything that's going on in the real world as tennis players have to in this in this situation And the other thing that struck me hearing matic sands talking and Dan Evans about how they just wanted to get home. We should section unusual feeling for a tennis player. I think as much as anything so used to being on the road. It happens all the time that they spend so little time at home. Tennis says in indeed they you know they have a whole team of people around them doing things for them to get to the top of the sport. You have to be quite selfishly with your time. Your effort Your focus on that team a bill to get them in the best shape possible. Get them to the top on the road fifty two weeks a year pretty much but now tennis plaza realizing that then not the center of attention in their families and they just WanNa get back home they just WanNa how when they can and that must be very confusing and different experience for the tennis as I touched on it with with both of them about the mental health elements of it. And I think it's the same for everybody who is forced to to isolate. Who's forced to stop what they're doing to what from. I am I from home for many years. But it's not everybody who who finds that easy and and look with very much the lucky ones in in so many respects we we understand the struggles that many people are going to have the next few months and if if you're one of them really my thoughts are with you. We want to provide a bit of entertainment as well as as well as information about tennis and conversations as we can. We're not GONNA stop. We're going to carry on. That's that's what we're doing right now. And that's what we intend to continue doing But in terms of the wider future as Dan said later on to me. There's just so much unknown right now. Nobody knows what's going to happen next. I really do feel for for the authorities involved in all sports. Right now Evans said he felt that the the had handled things well in communicating to the players. What was going on as best they could with such a changing scene. But we're next because we know we've got no international tennis until the end of April. The very earliest may the second on on the women's side it means such a lot for the business for all those tournaments for the tolls for all the TV deals for. Everybody works in the Sports. Who who frankly relies on it for their income. And Yeah I feel for all these people that are posting information. I saw one of our colleagues. In the photography World Ella Ling was was was decided to open up her entire library to try to sell images. Now she's got an incredible library of of images from fifteen years covering the sport but this is suddenly what she is faced with because she can no longer travel the world and supply imagery to two magazines and publications and websites. That might want to buy them. So everybody's got to try to find another way of going about an living or at least bridging the gap until they can get back out there again but for the players this is. They don't have an offseason normally. That's very long and suddenly they could be faced with with how long it could. It could be months. It's it's GonNa be a very interesting process for them to to actually become tennis plas- again I would imagine whenever it happens. Yes it's the proper and his off season we've all been cooling for I e you wish the is that. Is that the message the learning to be done here? Who is GONNA learn the hard way? Football is one of the mid season. Break Yeah Yeah I mean. It's really difficult isn't it? Because the moment we have this kind of We have this known six week periods definitive six week period of night night tennis. We're all kind of reluctant to really talk about it. Defensively in those terms because we all fear and possibly even suspect that it will end up being being longer than that but let's just for a moment thought experiment wise say it is a a six week break and come the stars of May Madrid week tennis happening again. Whether it's behind closed doors or not. Let's say that the the facts we have the as we have them at the moment bear out and the Tennessee's in carries on started me and they've had this six week break. It makes things very interesting extremely interesting in terms of who comes out of the blocks and who I mean we may. We may get the most when they eventually do start playing again. We may get the most incredible level of play. Yeah if everybody's suddenly fully fence and fresh Nichols have gone and opportunity to potentially work on the game in these six weeks which they don't really get over the off season It will help players. Who are currently you know they small group of players? Who are currently Ingrid? This is gonNA. This has gone to benefit if the more time to get back just thinking out loud. Someone like Kennedy Corey. He has this every season nomo season for him. Couple months out on the sideline Bianca and Rescue. We oversee talk about federal but finally and rescue base point where she's just fully fit. She was watching herself. Did you see that on? She did an instagram post where she was watching her match from the US Open. I think against Mertens and she just put the bottom. Some text about this is the closest. She's getting to tennis for for a long. I love that. She's literally checking herself out. She's Lychee saying check. Ma'am everyone else's pasting these instagram videos about what they're doing time off in the time often she's it she's going. I'm checking myself out brilliant. He's way in kids do time he seemed trolled by Andy. Murray yours for his hat had had anything about Stanford ring to black media. Presence IS LULLS. I find really is Andy. Murray in any position. Talk about somebody else's hair boy. My my brother. My brother sent me a message saying question for the PODCAST. Sweepstake on how many bowling tennis players are GONNA come back with full heads of After this break e said we were looking for conversation to fix well but without a miracle skits and you show receive right Jamie Murray. He's been at home playing monopoly. Vows to master it over the coming weeks Andrea pick. Petkevich started a book club which sounds like a very good idea. Seven assists past posted got stopped by a guy while walking in the streets of New York City who knew my grandfather from his football days such a small world which is like the opposite. Self-isolation isn't it. I should say that stephanus posted this one or two days ago and let's give let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe America hadn't closed down at that point but it is just classics professor. He pasted something about Econ e Econ extraordinary things that basic people or something do you know? I'm an e Conte epoch. Things basic people. Yeah that was a and stories death. But he's old times I was about to shut my phone to it to see what you're referring to and then I realized I'm talking to you on it and I can't but anyway terrible Tasca best multitasking. Alex done his is a mustache. No He's created a tick tock accounts and I'm I'm wondering whether David knows what one of those is. You've got young kids David's. They mentioned tomorrow. They said that somebody at school had got one and they weren't supposed to have fun because they're not allowed to have one. They told me they're not allowed to have one. It's not a real. I have given them themselves. Rules were think fame's has painful. So what is the Tick Tock? The cat is it's a growing social media platform for like videos. Basically I don't know whether it's replaced vine think it might have done kind of remembers line was about four minutes. Five seconds long and seven Well these ones tend to be quite sure and cocoa. Goff's pretty big on and there's lots of people do dance routines and Alex Domino seems to be peel rally Looking confused posing that. We have a tennis podcast. Talk Accounts I'm just saying that we might get desperate. I'll may I can't keep up with all this stuff. I'm doing an ask me anything on Wednesday unread. It eight o'clock everything but I propose that date. I thought I didn't think all this stuff former going to talk about socialized Austin Duke about the Post David about the Post David talks about the Nineteen Alger Tennis PODCAST OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. I in no style Joe. I really wish we'd called it back. Eight years ago. A move starting this thing the the tennis and miscellaneous other stuff podcasts. Yes who would you if you have to? Let's say you got caught out and you happen to be at a tennis tournament when all the restrictions came in and you happen to be in a room with a tennis player who you then had to sort of isolate with he doing voice a date with Fuji Guy for and he told I wanted to say distance from I would immediately select for anyone with dogs for my shortlist but haven't got off the dogs with them for it to be of any use. Yeah yet at what yeah. Let's say a bad immediately dischord without adult you want associate socially isolate with the dogs rather than the human basically what? You're saying absolutely right okay. Yeah Yeah but my fiancee one. I will I mentally sift through tennis players with dogs Schwartzman's got dogs. I think he's I think he's a standout Khakis. Great Dogs nays speak. Spanish could practice a bit of the Spanish him. Yeah I reckon likes I can eat good. Argentinian food we have sodas. Unofficially during the day goes Schwartzman. Marie have we exactly know that we share the same culinary tastes? Jj Schwartzman indeed? So he's the leading contender. I should say that someone you wouldn't want to at the moment and we oversee wish him better is Bernard Tomic is. He's he's got krona virus symptoms and he's having to self isolate and also Yaroslava Shvedova is in isolation not because she showing symptoms. But because she was on a flight from Milan to Kazakhstan and someone that had corona virus. And she's in. She's in fourteen days quarantine. Now so it is. It is affecting any sorry I diego's dogs who have just opened instagram. And all excellent like really really accident. I think I'd quite like to go for social isolation with Andrea Package. Because I think I'd just learned loads of steph. Tounsi really clever. Yeah and I think she'd give me some really good answers. I just be out of all of Catherine's put downs and just say come up with some answers for me. I'd want somebody obviously dog and somebody who might have the same taste in programming. We're GONNA need to watch films back to back yesterday. Which three films in one day one of them? Which brought back you memories for me from the nineties and four funeral. That's the Hecker had folks David the hairdresser and just say or have A. He grown please. I can't believe they didn't say because I went through a phaser went to the hairdresser and said they'll have a Rachel. Please member the hairdresser vividly saying no that would work or knee. I think my yeah. Nobody really wanted to break it to me by. My mother doesn't shy away from doing so. She if anybody ever visits her house and looks around the living room and sees the picture of my graduation where I've got the hair she has to come upon it even if even if they're not even making an issue out of it she draws attention to and said accompany leave. You had that haircut. Is She happy for that? Are you happy for that photo? Pay On instagram. That sounds desperate content. Right now Davey D. Set yourself up my is going to be out in the universe. That's the why the why the interest that's the social isolation purposes only I think I might have some We'll get we'll get into it surely at least yeah. I WanNA social distance from. I don't feel that strongly then until well. I think you really annoys me on the tennis tool that. Why can't I just can't say it? We'll get it out of a lighter. We've got a few more drinks so it's yeah it's all a bit sort of its person. Isn't it ready? The Corona virus and the old corona virus. Yeah Yeah but we aren't going anywhere tennis podcast. We are going to be sitting in these very seats for many more weeks to come. We are going to be taking your questions. We still got our listener questions. Special that we recorded about three weeks ago in the world is normal. I'm slightly concerned about the tone of it because it sounds so jolly and a normal After listening about that to make sure it's appropriate but now on the on the they're all good tennis talking points and we will still a place vigilance in world come on deprive people of Giannini's and tennis is going to be back folks. It will be back with just under win so sorry. I had an appreciated. How much structure to my day. Tennis provides. It's not even. It's not even the watching of tennis necessarily that. I'm missing obviously am but it's it's all the other stuff that comes with it just following knowing that it's coming up in the afternoon waking up to it following a week's worth of stories now it's just it's just emptiness it is it is. I mean I know like in. In the scheme of the challenges that people are facing. This is absolute small FRY. Oh sure but I mean is it. It's the absence of sport is emotionally incredibly hard incredibly hard and it brings me back. There have been a number of incredibly eloquent articles this week along these lines Jonathan Lou in particular in the Guardian and Tom Ford is did one On the BBC's website but which expressed kind of always tried to say. Obviously they've done it for better than I've ever been able to about the places for in all our lives and this this kind of reflects whenever anything bad happens if all sports inconsequential sports not important will be kind of is 'cause it brings an awful lot of happiness an an an awful lot of meaning and structure and joy and despair and passion and Emotion to to people's lives and these things stays things matter the results he wins and loses might not matter but the existence of sport in our lives matters and the absence of it is being felt. And it's okay to to feel it. It doesn't it doesn't mean that you don't understand that there are more important things going on and more important things being missed more important things at stake. It is okay to sport and for that to be a hole in your life is it is in all of us my My son tonight's when I made him dinner. Whenever whenever my kids have dinner they? They're always allowed if the sport on. They're allowed to have the IPAD out. I I let them use my ipod to just watch. Whatever live sports on because I think that's okay. Is that why You know have enough WIFI to successfully record this podcast correct. That's why rod at the moment. Everything's fine nothing's on. They sat down my son. Who's eight years old said to me? Oh is there any? Is there any football on that? I said Oh that's breaking my daughter said. Is there any tennyson and I said no no? There's no there's no tennis on and it did serve. Hit Me that there's no sports on and I know in this grand scheme of things I we know all the all the things that people say that it's not that big a deal and it's not not compared to people being dying and And the going bankrupt to whatever might happen over the next few months but it is a massive hole in people's lives. There's no question and we need that glorious distraction and as you put it matter kind of framework to your lives to to just no. It's just help. She threw Disney. It gives you gives you a reason to be in so many ways and Yeah they do that too but we need it back. We need it back and And it will be that as well and I slammed gain with the lovely note today from a chat. Call Danny Rogers on twitter. Who WHO said to us? I applaud your decision to keep going with tennis. Podcast if you can. Although there's no tennis you haven't engaged. Audience have affection for you as a team and that nice he said people stuck at home needs some connection more than ever and I mean I hope that's true for a number of people that the justice doing this is some sort of help. It's helped for us after. Say WE PROBABLY GUESSED. We enjoy his company and talking and chatting about tennis. We Love the sport. We we enjoy this company and we enjoyed a good all-round or go to laugh And if you're listening in enjoying it with us then that's that's good enough for us while we promised we would keep going at the start of the year and we done intense stock now but but those were really nice words. Yeah and I don't mean to be a big upper ports or anything a in the scheme of things there's not much can do but if if we can provide any sense of continuity and levity in people's lives than I feel very proud to do that. And yeah it's not a self because this podcast provides exactly the same for me. I need to do this as much as we want to be. 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WTA Finals - Preview and Predictions

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34:43 min | 1 year ago

WTA Finals - Preview and Predictions

"Editon is podcast listeners is at one month since Katherine Matt and Myself Got Ta sooners beams delivered mass now has a TV thankfully against the US is quite useful having a TV to go with the sinus but yes yeah what about the Oh it is sleep I'm Andy Murray and you're listening to the tennis podcast win the WTI finals and you might be drinking Tequila with gold bits in it anyway eagle that right so let's have a look at the draw first of all we got lots to talk about today finals daily podcasts genuine accident we are wearing hoodies folks I'm a mid forties man in my Hoodie and aw the WNBA finals which start on Sunday in UK it's going to be live on bt sport I'm going to be talking about it and watching it which is going to be great fun for me anyway into see a check like that for the year end tournament for the women I wasn't expecting that question yes ain't pretty thank goodness this is audio only well the good news is that we have had the draws made today eight singles players eight doubles play I mean it's grotesque amounts of money isn't it but professional sports sort of is so I miss yeah the mall we've got four point seven million dollars check to give out to somebody going undefeated so Matt Roberts says plank he beginning that Ella that has gold specs in it really oh okay so you'd Mia APL people but but he's not and there are eight players that may win that sum of money which is double what anybody's ever won before this tournament the more dollars the merrier great I mean it it's it is obscene but why not you know the IMF pound why not be super deeper obscene how many beers could I buy with that I mean I could be too busy law for the rest are we going off we're going off track here this is another type of with whiskey that has like gold leaf goes it too key of my life on that more than two I think but I couldn't handle that so that wouldn't happen Hi I'm John McEnroe Joan board this is Martina Navratilova Amass philander. I'm stunned rowing this is Mary Carillo Oh cripes keep putting me on this but I was still giggling gold schlager draws we got the order play I've got other topics as well that they know nothing about and I can't wait to get into them and see the look on their faces but first of all let's look at the drawers is we have Shenzhen hosting the tournament for the first time they've got ten years day I'm going to be fifty six when and she's the name of the the SCHNAPS IT turns out fifty three point five percent alcohol spend he's counting a push covered Simona Halep Bianca and rescue an Alina Selena right pick your semi fine folks Catherine it's nearly double what the blocks are going to earn the equivalent events at the ATP finals at the two in a few weeks time Catherine are you pleased up for a full Matt Dan I come on man to make fun of himself I oh and we hear we do in dailies we're doing dailies folks how'd you do that we've accidentally wound uniform throw I W okay I will go with numerous alka and but in the bench preface my comments in this podcast with I haven't got a clue what's going to happen in Shanzen but I think it's going to be really good but that's all prefacing it's ending the podcast that I kind of I kind of feel like anyone who really says we confidence that they know what's going to happen lying because it is so open I'm beyond rescue and misfit Selena who they see conviction the largest has anybody as as any known person said that I think David might be about to go on then could Dante Hill she's seen pitches of Darren along side her hitting on the apparently slow court if it slower that should okay so I'm going to go for Andrew Ascii 'cause she's never lost anyone Alina and red grape bhatia soccer convertible Selena that should be benched Lina great surprise surprise and I'm GonNa go full how she's discovers said it's slow right that sounds like a winge doesn't it sounds like a very risky thing Donna Wilkes and live tennis for this beautifully crafted table head-to-heads which is just rookie my world right now uh-huh finals it's Friday night we now had a party it's Catherine which gets Matt Roett Says Myself David to the surface is like three I've picked benches to win the thing have I did I do that yes I think I did do that can I retract my my praise for the day tournament is not getting out the group what I did say benches tonight on hang on a soccer and but he just come for bank chicks is this year the benches beaten the soccer three times she she ended her US Open title defense aw that's just a high already for that moments allied going to second to bench isn't in either of the table when you need them Hannah Popo group push giver and Rescue Lips and also be too I was a study I think in Madrid and maybe in doing well as well so and Belinda bench never play variety heaven isn't it party against shake how was that never happened so you may maybe not for you right in the red group is Ash Bharti Patrick Evita Naomi Asaka and Belinda bench in the Purple Group. It zero wouldn't have expected that you've got conservative sevens fit Selena to you've got pushed over five SF Italina three eight people split into two groups for resolved solved a problem for all of us there doubled up oh welcome yeah twenty she's she's never played escape well she hasn't that's it's just a name type day eight day leave okay wait imagine what which at play there because of their Romanian the Romanian heritage of and rescue and the way when she won the US Open Each year ten K. for bench and assault and whichever too I said for the other group and rescues it's GonNa be quite interested to see we haven't seen her play anybody yet and be intimidated or seemingly second guessing it's interesting with lopsided head-to-heads when it gets too lopsided I think there's a tipping point I guess to upside and his dull at you know what's going to happen suit a well see yeah okay I'm GonNa go for undress hype and I'm GonNa go for with major thanks to trying to show off about their ostentatious wealth Roy because in it sometimes you gotTa Lena Lena There's the carrot that dangles before you witnessed yeah head-to-heads I love looking at the slightly weird head-to-heads that Renault's tables and you got a five nope was right in a corner you know she was immediately celebrating that as a Romanian victory as well as an Android GonNa Canadian victory that that is at the early stages of the sort of lopsided has had rivalries it's really interesting because you're thinking can they finally figured it out which is kind of what you've got with Medvedev and sit surpass at the moment really well to that and I'm also not sure how fei how his she's she pulled out of was it wou- ham with a back injury mid match I think wait seven mill on Well I'm just thinking about Gold Schlager Matt St want to want to the semi finalists question I was going to Asanka just hasn't been able to figure out at all so I do think that match weeks we're GONNA see in groups to issues where we absolutely fascinating I think it Eddie part of of Andros Q. in in her outlook as well as you know she genuinely feels I think both nationalities and Halid Reut okay great so I was worried about how we gonNA fill half an hour with chat about approach later by Taylor Townsend and how that was out but yeah I think I think Andrea will respond thing can I just wonder whether that that element of it might have affected to play at all I mean we haven't seen it yet maybe it would be surprised I that's the first match in that group Well for those two players they played show the I think that that is probably the match I'm looking forward to most because I I think it makes it more interesting all of us but I don't think on the court it Lim- pats began risky one bit what do you think a. and yet Switzerland has won the last three of them and ended up winning the title on all three occasions I mean I've turned into Matt this is good in her way through the field like a piranha in a dentist's fish tank he said she has more shots than Tequila bar is that was that Andreescu or something else onto my brain David you I remember trying to work out with a Catherine was more excited he's born legends gradually clear the stage the most successful inheritors maybe those who move friction Leslie through this peculiar lifestyle I and I think ASARCO and benches the standout one on the women's tour the moment also Halup has got a losing record against anyone in the drawer so I'm not sure about how fish actually as whereas Andress Goo hasn't played a great deal of rested herself a little bit since the US Open she lost that match two Asarco but deploys them with the easy confidence of a young Roger Federer any mention of post-coital cigarette not yet however haven't finished from Simon Briggs who incidentally sounded like he was on half speed the other day when he was on the podcast of the first few seconds he sounded like he genuine tasting little energy other than what they burn on the court we can see it with Andress Goo as well as with the most successful male challenger of the year Daniel Medvedev it's a bird it's your federal rare Serena Sharapova Santoro is center but then gadget her masonic self-belief offers a point of difference from other young players in Shenzhen Nine thousand nine hundred exists outlook on life but you know how high he was that day was talking about her in New York when he was like check me out remember that about Simon Briggs is general outlook on life that date or Daniel Medvedev generally the USO definitely a flip of the coin. Anyway listen listen to this ever and I will pick and rescue and Hallett yeah I think to win it I will go yeah you got seven please give it three I love these headsets and I think I've really interesting one for the group stages about Bianca and rescue in his column today and I picked task few lines I mean what is about undress skew what she does to Simon Uh anything anything you have to do I need to I how is Ashburton Belinda bench never played that is how Lena's fit lean and I always find interesting dynamic when a player has the couple Davis Cup to come after the season ending finals and woken up however here he this is how he writes says about Andro skew if she carries on like this Shinzan she will choose for me I've I'm thinking there's no reason why party Com win both probably but I think she really really wants to win the Fed Cup and that might be her priority for the rest of the end of the season if she if she was having to kind of pick I think she will necessarily but yeah I don't know for thirty I think Bharti's interesting because most players this is the end of the season but obviously she still has the Fed Cup right okay well informed the semifinals aren't GonNa Pick Ashkenazi and picture it is sexy it is enhancing my audio experience it's all the good things sons dot com I could say the freshness element is is a big one because she did look so tired in Beijing when I saw a few weeks ago Hashtag Andress q fam Simon Briggs fully paid up member yes and he's wondering whether SCR Piranhas T- think Coco's made the trip to Shenzhen Koshien she'll what I'm not sure what the quarantine either it was a match that was that was likely to happen at the US Open I think they were drawn to meet in the fourth round but then was one hundred and five she's had a bit of time off since then but it does it does concern me on the hard to half of some players but equally I think they're all going to be so pumped Lazar in China and and if coke is not there is coca the source of we'll have powers touched that dog and just great I'm not sure that was really any calls for long I think she'll pick up where she's she's been season rarely just beating everyone Simon Briggs has written doc is pretty cool so right game for who've you got from his it's not in the red group yeah however okay so Selena going through to get benches should now standby who've you undress good the rest of the locker room but we would be worried as to whether she's brought her Superhero Cape I'm just wondering what the dentist for this there I think all these players are going to be up for this if he can't get up four point seven million dollars days then you should go and work it out of a nap before point seven million dollars is on the line I would consider counselling and that is what David Law thinks if my opinion you typically armed yes not minute gateway to tennis watching Heaven and also how turn up and you go get the APP I think he's from Belgium and those a story last year I think that mertens and Cher were going to split Okay and then Bharti against bench I think I've backed myself into a very bench itchy corner Sir and Jank teams in the red and the purple groups and all starts on Sunday at I think I'd go italina Sicily already hearing grumblings about the court and address against Howard which I think just Asaka so okay Australian Open final repeat for the first match Recall yeah yeah so this Sinus beep Catherine that we both had delivered a Matt Scott One as well I couldn't believe how easy it was to set up because you know what four thirty local time which in the UK I think is about eight thirty in the morning with a soccer against virtus winning that Alexa Google Assistance Phillies instructions which friends don't always day yeah so basically you WanNa get yourself being if you are great sound some it's really easy to set out red group with Chan so how Ching Chan and Letitia chance the fifth-seeds and analytic Grunfeld and Demi Shir a couple of 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anymore apparently and then she goes and gets a different partner and wins everything where have I heard that before in a medical professional would be able to tell you in a heartbeat we got a lot of replace subjective thing couture said collarbone susie said I I- invoked feedback from medical professionals imperfect knowledge at the moment I want and something that you can talk to as well have a friend on TAP DOT COM right pens on the break to be honest helpful thanks Julie says collarbone none of these appear to be in any way medical professionals and finger can hey okay well Robin Daniels friend of the podcast says for the record you elected to break you'll it'll turn the latest pod let me strongly advise you not to I broke mine in the pain level was off scale agony is the word so I think that probably priced to any broken bone doesn't it I mean it's all relative here twelve years ago but we have another on the tennis podcast we've had on there it it doesn't count it's not ratified now it is apparently very funny this time so shy away bobble restrictive what a doubles partner that ship that is shared all Delis says little toe providing you can rest it it will heal the quickest I don't think that's true actually I think fingers and toes it can and it's we sort of about eight weeks hence now and it looks a bit sort of Waikiki pery the and St Saviour of playing together in the public rape the Brodsky and zoo and then Cova and Senio cover and stowed okay have you come up with one or are you going to I always thought the answer was called Abon right thank you matt they get the APP and then you just talk to the APP if you have any friends saw you just don't know that that's right because this thing works with Alexa uh-huh yeah did you say did you say that now nobody happened right I would so depths at some getting myself out of trouble with my physical ability so what it was the same Basilan Vienna this week and Friday night again did you did you say that it's very frisky frisky frisky Fritz uh-huh ju just feel with the things we've had Basel 'cause look things have broken they none never the The news was just inept achieved facial would you like to have if you have to have is a story line we were having in last week show turns to this Catherine went for collarbone I went for Little Broken B-a-e-n what Neither v Via Burkan Anything Berkman News Right uh-huh right we're going to be better tomorrow I'm telling you we're going to be really good always long but they're lost Taylor Fritz against and Cowan a move over against hi as well which I the first couple of days off for bt Sport I was is funny tournaments where you see somebody just put in an bombed storming win I find it really hard to get into I thought I thought last I thought the switch in the calendar to moving it before the finals would All the difference but I just I find the narrative of that tournament quite hard for the narrative narrative stuff and the other thing is these three person groups there are four groups of three players and so like I say last year you get Ash Party winning one losing one and getting through to the also was the the other tournament I want to talk about which was stop laughing which was losing to restore amusing winning the title Arena Linka who beat her in the round-robin didn't even make the semis why doesn't it just have the exact same former in the first round robin stage and you are sure they're going to win the whole thing and that was me with Dina your stress go and then she she went and lost to kick your buttons and she was out Burton's and Zhang and several inca very important I mean how do you how do you feel about zoo highs the tournament curry ron any any wicketkeeper in cricket you see evidence of how poorly taste I'll turn the microphones off my colleagues here because they're just not playing ball whatsoever right semifinal position high is keeper in a bit of an afterthought anyway which of course is the main thing is it's just this this format I they I think you're right I think just matched Tayfun was it should be you right the league it should be the exact same for months just won t down Yeah I didn't get it I didn't get what twelve players I I it was in Jim School now hit it on a bench right okay why am I laughing already but I mean come lead you've never up you don't WanNa be constantly thinking who's through and why it's just it's frustrating real there was a match today where around will be and obviously the only events where you play round robin but I kind of felt that springboard effect is just a natural consequence and is having a huge impact on that on the course of their career is I don't know I just it's it's an interesting field there's some interesting didn't get what full groups agree with those expecting to get a lot more into it as a result of the shift in the calendar is on paper I like the concept if the fact that these are the players ranked nine to eighteen most of them are probably a kind of on the APP anyway and it doesn't it doesn't feel like this tournament why is who had good seasons I just find it really difficult tournament to get my teeth into yeah yeah I mean it's it feels a bit like it's still something not quite right it still needs a Lotta Lotta tweaking there is that kind of springboard element of can act as a springboard for you the next snee- and so what was wrong with rancor he had to pull out yeah he hurt his back in I think he said in the final game against CFO last night Rinku withdrew kind of five minutes after winning the Mac she needed to get through and kind of twenty four hours before the Max she kind of wondering whether they could come up with some kind of solution for the crowd the next day they did anything extra ron in terms of an exhibition but yeah that

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ATP Finals Day 3 - Thiem Downs Djokovic In Classic; Andy Murray Interview!

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49:52 min | 1 year ago

ATP Finals Day 3 - Thiem Downs Djokovic In Classic; Andy Murray Interview!

"Hi I'm John McEnroe's board. This is Martina Navratilova. I'm mats wilander. I'm Sandra Wanka Enlighten Hewitt. I'm Marie and you're listening to the tennis podcast four. We've just seen the best tennis match. The O two arena has ever seen in my opinion. Catherine Whitaker is looking at me with wide eyes at that pronouncement. Because because we've just seen dominic team takeout Novak Djokovic in a thriller of two hours forty six minutes and team is into the semifinals for the the first time in his whole life and he collapsed on his back in celebration at the end. Matt Roberts is here and I'm delighted to say formerly the Telegraph our partners and now of the athletic. Do you remember Charlie Ankle share. Well he's back. Hello Charlie had a David so you come one night it and you get that. I know it's they knew trying to suck me back in. It was great. Yeah definitely the best match. I've watched the O.. Two told you. Yeah but I didn't see that every federal one which I would guess would be. The main combat had the great privilege of experiencing on his first ever trip to the year Marina del Semifinal. Murray row niche. I'm not on the today's tonight's match was the longest since right. Murray manage in twenty sixteen which was three hours and thirty eight. You're yeah three-set match. Who's that Murray manage? 2016 save me and my replayed Nishikori and that was yeah. It's about three hours as well. Yeah Wow and then he's he's hit died talking about Murray. This was so good I forgot to tell you that Andy on this podcast. In about often times they keep listening so fast forward. This bits good too. We know that we've got into anti-american up all right okay right so this match was if somebody gave me an option of the type of match I wanted to see tonight it would be exactly what we got because it was dominate team deciding deciding. I'VE GOTTA go red line. Health leather the whole match and Novak Djokovic. Just saying I'm not going anywhere. And and they just went toe to toe for two to forty five minutes. I think I mean briefly to sum up the match which one the first on a tiebreak team then and that was after team at being redlining it and then He. I still don't know how they do this. He's stomach that lost. I set of an hour and six minutes when racing. Enough to three love lead in the second-set levels of match I can't even remember what happened in the third salvo and I was commentating on antidote. Remember what happened. Tell me what happened. Would you remember years ago when when Jovic played team and it was almost a mirror. Image team won the first set in the tie-break and then I mean games. Yeah once it was rather more one sided from from there on out but yeah in that match. He failed to recover from the letdown after winning tie-break so say the facts that he was sort of better able to mentally regret. Today after losing the tie-break I I mean we were watching it together Catherine and after that first set which apparently is the recipe for great tennis match. Do that this. That's great yes. It was tremendous seats. Yeah we had chips chips. I never get chips. But we've assigned run at the prime media. Runaways offering matt refreshments. You have a runner. I I did the same thing about robots allowed to leave the studio of fourteen hours a day. BBC Radio Philip of our water bottle from the town. Whether in well anyway didn't think with that team because my went back to that match from two thousand sixteen it must have been nice just a completely different beast now it back then he was the kind of player who when he wanna say against someone like Jackovitch. You did suspect that might be as good as it got today. He's John I'm here. I'm on your level and I'm not afraid and he really stepped up and I thought it was just so impressed and and that was exactly what we were saying. We said this can go one of two ways. Now he could be. He could channel his inner demons for and I fall away in the second set or we can channel is in the Dow and get stronger. Got As much more pertinently. His innovative Rinca because short-covering as diesel like to take AAC my analysis to make it stand stands like his big brother isn't he like makes sense. Yeah and similar level. They cited similar star. Tennis and Reverend goes been the one who's always troubled Djokovic in the slams and you could have mentioned team stepping into it's not role. He's been twice the French Open yet. I must be gone that because of a c one was discerned that kind of extraordinary wind assisted match and then the other was when the judge mortis tanked in the final set. This was even. I think this is even more exciting than that French Open match. There wasn't that sort of wind distraction. Yeah that friendship and match on paper looked thrilling. That I don't remember I mean. It was intriguing ordeal without not much on that occasion as well team serve for the match and if I remember right he was forty fifty up and just got broken in the blink of an eye lost the next four points where having had those much points and then one on that kind of remind me tonight. He went into the match. Didn't do it and again you can. We'll that's that played the worst three points. He played all matched to start. The final set. Tiebreak missed easy volley a double foul and another Mr Connelly. And you're thinking channeling is in a demonstration. Can we rewind just the little bit was it the penultimate point this second set was as good. It's entered the top ten tennis moments. Live live watching moment basically when Jackovich's and that sort of retrieving mode doesn't matter who you you are. You have to hit more than one winner point. He had to hit three winners. I think he I think even when he went full on back and Missile it came back onto his toes on the baseline and so rather than stepping back. He just swiped awfully four hundred down the line and I can't. I don't remember seeing at the crowd reaction quite like it just a combination of joy but utter disbelief saying definitely never. I've seen dominic team reaction quite like it. He suddenly became the incredible hulk. Here's waving the arms stoking up the crowd. He is the most mild mild mannered. Sort of child man you lever. You'll ever see I mean eve- even by the time he was speaking to Annabel Croft often the post-match interview which was sort of moments after this incredibly emotional Herculean effort he reverted to being this Showing all shy in the corner as same pre pump. Now I thought like he much more so than there are a few points which year he really loud almost quite guttural almost like in a kind of Vava rinker kind of way and it was. It was great to see that because he he normally shows emotionally just annoyed loyd himself he's one of those things set such standards. You know you'll see him react. When he misses shortly thinks he should make Catherine's Afri- I first nations? What does he say conduct rewind on the I'm GONNA pay again the the thing about how he was letting out a lot that to me is is part of the change here? He doesn't doesn't get into that deciding set and he's still bring in and Jock itch was bringing it. That was one of the great sets of the year it was and and he's thinking about backup that Federer Win John. which would he ever done? That would have beaten big three back to back. Thank you so anyone does that So I mean it feels like a statement ahead of next year and how. How often do people make famous statement severity but to me his tennis so sustainable stain? -Able like we've seen team play flashes of the most amazing tennis. You can imagine hitting winners Galore with such power Woah blowing off the core. But he might just do it in bursts but he did this the whole match he was just on it relentlessly loosely hitting the ball hard against Jackovitch. who was his best self tonight? And I'm not sure we've seen that from team Kim before even the match against Dr at the. US Open which was five sets. He had a couple of sets in there where his level really dropped. And that's why it was such match but his level did not drop tonight and we talk about his best. Tennis is being tennis. That makes you go SP or hearing fifteen thousand people collectively goes mid meteorology is really quite something that and that's what I remember from various matches against rinker that jockey riches hammer remember one the head. The Australian Open the first time that the rinker did what team did tonight and take him on and just rip winners and and take total racket out of his hand. Really there's a video on youtube and its finance the compensating and he's just laughing in the middle of in the middle of the point because the shots swastikas coming out with. And it's the same with team we were kind of living the match. Dominic teen fanatic in the in the row in front of us and I think when any support team you have to be prepared for highs and lows because there's a lot of stuff that takes your breath away and there's a lot of stuff we think. Oh why if you down that dominated slicing you back slightly reigned in you know on that point. I mean just to get an idea of how tense it was out there. I think I think I'm right in saying that twice. Got Two points away from victory before team held on and then he had chance to serve for the match you. There was a point at which would have taken him to match point. When team had four hundred was called out who that point it looks jock which had a match point then? It was overruled at challenged Hawke. showed it to be good another amazing moment of tension and the other Hawkeye was on teams first match point. It had an ace and he really didn't discuss is how much he wanted it to be over then usually a play with do a Polka face and sort give joy to try and give up for facial expression that says. I didn't need this to be in. I've got this even if I if I had a second serve. His face said if this is very loving take that point win on the jock rich we we only to recreate exactly the same conditions from tonight on Thursday for Federal Jock. Vich already have to come back and I need to sit together chips and David Been Five. Oh I've come and she'd be for two and a half hours very important about that as well as the beauty of this result actually sets up the rest of the tournament much much better. Because now we've got a federal of its showdown knock knock out a sanctioning standards and number one situation is interesting again. I can't don't get my head around it but I know it's interesting if you get. If Nidal needs to win Tim O.. Matches now thank goodness Catherine's not only to win. Two more matches Jing did win those two in the group he would just mic drop and Lee Abdominal Muscle. Courtesy say we'll see you later splendid. There was another match today. So Yeah basie. ICT Miss Through. He's GonNa play dead rubber against Matteo Bertini. WHO's out in case anyone? It's not going to be much Matteo. Bertini eighteen e seemed show before it was sure we had him in the primary studio after his match and he was already talking about this off. Season plans yeah. He seems like a Nice Chap Disney delightful chap who survey three straight afternoon sessions which feels like a bit of a slap in the face three times on BBC and an afternoon session against Hetero exactly so he's had his experience and now he's going to go home but he was beaten in straight-sets what what was federal out today. I thought not that great in all honesty mistake. Bertini hasn't been good as I think. The culture too quick for him. It's been quite an overwhelming experience I mean he's he's the first of that I think he's loved the experience but he's he's pretty overawed by the whole thing he looks. He's literally exposed in the Movement Department and on his on his backhand side and he's talked about that hasn't he said that he when he came out against Jovic on Sunday. They said we've got to get better. I want to get better and they already started talking about the off season so I think thirteen was good today and and federal didn't need to be that good to beat him and wasn't it was an improvement in the serving department on Sunday. Not of the ground in my. He's going to need to get better Thursday or he just needs all of us to be there to make sure it says we're not gonNA have Charles Olive next time we're GONNA win. That one Charlie Djokovic Federer Journalists GonNa take him yeah I think he'll yeah I don't think seen enough of federate suggest don't don't quit played really well today. He lost the match but he was a really good level. Anyone else. He's winning that he dumped off the course job. Ashby didn't wave or in a how how rarely in his career can he feel like. He's played his eight. Nine hundred match and lost doesn't happen if chocolate. Quick as well. He wins almost what would have happened at that gun. Five question countries look at small too much did have a different cadence to it. If both plays nude it was the best of five. Yeah right match. I didn't you can apply that you can't get to the end of the best of three match and go by the away chaps play on for another tea. Cairns appalled Matt's laughing at me so David that when he played me I thought about buying another one. I didn't win. The uh-huh Louvers is Roberts. They weren't coming to all. I say that I I think the facts are pretty clear on that. Federal needs to up his game considerably to even make it a contest. I think but equally we were saying when those big three plates each other they tend to play well against each other. They do tend to up their game if they've been amid scratchy there on them so I do think federal world come out. Playing badly has done in his first two matches. But I agree with Charlie. I think Jackovich's level is is higher at the moment. Incidentally the reason why the it the pendulum is swung so much on the the year. End Number One thing is that you get a get an undefeated bonus. He's not just lost the two hundred two points for that he would have gained for this match. She will get a bonus off some some point some leave. The necessary would have made a difference. It's actually it's actually really quite significant. Okay is there anything else. Anybody wants to say about. Tonight's TYPIC- before we get onto Andy Mark Nut. Okay Matt. Not no I mean just that. We implore implore these players so often to deliver against the likes of Djokovic Federer and the Dell and how many times have we been pretty disappointed by performance elements from one of them so if it was right that we just law dominic team as we have been producing what he did tonight because laws law domestic competition. Titian as well tonight because nine thousand nine hundred twenty straight-sets matches and then we were coming. Do we think I mean oversee. Let them enjoy the moment. Does that do anything for how we think he will do. It grandsons next year. Does offer the field as there's a whole you know does that give them confidence or is it just still this best of three versus best in the field him you think. Just say I think he's a different animal and he he's been trending Edwards for so long now. This is like another step. Another level is gone out tonight. He's going to get to at least Grand Slam semi uh on something other than clay next year. And I'M GONNA go for grandson final something other than clay grass cool. Yeah so how might be might be grass. I mean leakage. Cuba reached a final last year. I think he hasn't done non-clay semifinal has the team knows best is courters get the the Dow visit is not good enough dominic. Now he's under one in the. US Open this. He would want to mention that. I'm sure do something I hadn't really realized when I think my semi Shelly said his game is so much better now. And it's come on so much of this year was was like next year. His first go the quote slams with his new game his slice back. I was working well today because it was a mixture jockusch. Didn't know what was coming next it. If he got stretched out wide. He didn't panic. He got himself back in the rally and waited until he had a chance to pull the trigger. Catherine does I think I need that much but didn't need to just diffuses it neutralizes. It keeps going until he can go back. Yeah Catherine convinced feet of the ground into our Piguet where possible of feet off the ground single-handed back on winners stroke yet. See Why all right okay. Well there's enough highlights for Catherine to have our own personal real dominant team from the night. So Andy Murray was at his cat store shopping outlet that that is just opened in kings road in Chelsea launching his new clothing line preview. Tomorrow's much is what we'll do that after. Okay we're talking because Andy Murray was in attendance at this shopping out in King Tro Castell Which is new clothing clothing label and he had his new logo on show which was a. m. c. i. confidently saying Kastoria for the last just twelve months? been getting that stories. Okay so maybe everybody knows. Based on any work. In in a custodial short I think I used it first and your copied and we were all getting it wrong is is what I'm yeah. I feel like like I've heard custodial right right. Well we'll check that affects But it looks nice cool. Yeah so gone. I will look at it if you see Mary's new clothing line. It's it's really nice very nice. I hope some of it is available in swept wing fabrics Friendy say oh I'm sure it is. Anyway he was. He was very jolly spirits. You can have listened to what he said to the assembled medium meteoroid which I was one because he's a new dad again time in four years and the first question was about that has it. Yeah it's been good. Yeah just it's just busy with got three three kids under for now to dog so keep an eye on all the time name but yeah it's been it's been been good sleeping fine and everyone's healthy teddy. No middle name is when my my middle name in which she loved the name. But my dad's middle names Baron his dad was my granddad. So yeah cap that Teddy. No my wife liked that. So yeah this time runs being really good actually first time when we went from one to two that was the first week or so it was a bit more. I don't know what I guess. A bit of jealousy and stuff but this time round. They've they've been brilliant. It's been good. Yeah exactly I hope not only when you travel and go on expanding changed the dynamic if anything it also. Yeah I I've actually I guess in the last probably in the last year or so when when we traveled originally with I also selfishly like it was something that I really wanted to around my daughter as much as possible but actually after the after we went to Ustralia the first time with are actually lost. Lost the the Of It was a really long trip and went home earlier than expected and for the first week aid as you know has been particularly likes also trying to wake up in the middle of the day and she's completely out of the So yeah decided that they wouldn't be doing any long-haul trips anymore because it's better for them so you know it's something that you have to factor in like when I'm looking scheduling and planning even for for next year. Also my offseason light. You know how much time to spend away from whole narrative so it's definitely something something that a lot more aware of now and we'll be factoring into any decisions that I make with her tennis Something something I I mean I think short haul light definitely lake and in and around Europe occasionally but you know some might tosses at school. Just now. She's she's she's really happy there I think it's fair to don't stop pulling her around everywhere one you know. She's she's happy and settled like a home. Just so they'll definitely come from time to time around your long-haul don't think so I remember you send us your children seeing you play. Does that apply to make keep going an extra fee basis. I don't don't know when we'll stop So yeah I mean I guess like no as well like after the last couple of years and stuff it. It'd be nice if the but it's not. Aw Isn't the priority for me. You know I guess a lot of that stuff is kind of you know selfishly. I would like to watch some for me to play ultimately. It's not actually see that important. So yeah I mean hopefully I can get a few more years my my body and see what happens after that to watch the final because they really have never really had a chance to see you you know being so happy winning titles in tennis court I think they were having dinner at Wykeham. Momma's gotTA shooting the final. They were watching the. They've seen me on the tennis court like on TV and stuff recently over the last couple of months but Yeah I'm not sure. They got the patience to to sit and watch a tennis match. How did you how did you body sort of from top off tonight so the big exertion four weeks Did did you take complete sort of rest of. Yeah I took I didn't do anything for like twelve days. Nothing called semi the heaviest weight I've been in my my career probably as well so My elbow was pretty sore afterwards so needs to take a break because of that As well obviously baby came Came to sort of five six days after we got back from Antwerp so But yeah overall it was pretty good in terms of how how the body fell. Just just a how this this problem with my elbow Which starts it in in Asia is quite an injury? Don't know exactly how I go to Yeah that seems to be seems to be getting better now weighing up being to Miami for treating Glaucoma or do you think that everything. Yeah I I think I'm going to go just not for that long. I think going to do by twelve to fourteen days there so from like Like the V six December twentieth of December and then coming home and spending Five six days. We're actually she going up to Scotland for Christmas And then I'll head over to I think leaving on the twenty seventh So yeah whereas usually usually I would have gone probably three to four weeks Yeah just reducing a little bit and spend a little bit more time over Christmas as well. It should be nice in terms of five-set matches Australia. And you've playing vice it might potentially replaying number five segment in a row so that that's the thing. I don't know exactly how that I'll be. I'm actually not worried from the hips perspective. Because I've todd zero issues with it so far so I don't. I don't anticipate that you know playing an extra forty five minutes or an hour. We'll we'll be bad for my you know the rest of my body dehy- that responds. I'll see when when my physio is always been more positive about me playing grand on slams and playing a term where you play five days in a row. He loves the fact that there's a day off to rest and recover. Your body gets a chance to yeah. She rest up before the next match was sometimes they can enter up. You know what you're playing back to back days or the there's no. There's no chance to to do that so so I guess we'll see response when I'm over there but also you know I wouldn't be on -ticipant and I'd be playing seven best two five-set that matches their like maybe previously would have been my my expectation. Is He puts on weight. Arthur anchovies that just by not training. Did you treat yourself pick out all so so. It was evenings with the issue because when the newborns being going to bed at like seven he's like sleeping keeping for like a three hour period and my wife would sleep upstairs and get like Oh period of good sleep sleep and before the baby would wake up not be on my own downstairs and just chocolate biscuits and stuff and then there was Halloween and I had my second. Second Daughter's birthday party was in the Then also my sister in law had birthday. So's does lots of just cake and John can no trainings. Not Good not good combination. I was eight and a half kilos kilos normally eighty four off-season in a in a way. Yes we pretty much going after it from here. I'm going to take probably five or six days off after Davis and then I'll I'll train probably get three weeks training and Three weeks training and from the beginning of December through the twenty first twenty second. And then I'll have a little break again there But that's something that I'm doing quite differently. Like intensive days off for computers as off in a row which I wouldn't have done beforehand so in the I'm starting to try and do a bit more but because I'm doing a no need to watch a bit betta finishing off I actually don't dogs normally. We got them dogs normally get them. How much are you looking forward to Davis Company in the Eagles stuff at home with his same? I'm feeling that you've had before the day toys. I'm I'm I'm excited and intrigued to see what is going to be like. And then you fall in that. I'm GonNa miss the atmosphere because I I don't think the atmosphere is going to be the same as what it is and even you know in the away ties the I played. The atmosphere is tough. But the atmosphere's like when I finished playing like you I remember remember Belgian final and when I play my first Davis Cup in Israel and stuff like that. So I'm GonNa miss that but I love being around the team and being around all the players and I'm excited to see what the new format looks like and I hope the atmosphere is brilliant. That's just my one concern about the. I'm not sure how that's going to be but from what I hear here. We sold a lot tickets. And we're going to have quite decent fan base over there. But then. How does that work if we get through to this quarterfinals who the WHO has tickets for that late? How many people have come over for Wednesday Thursday? How many of them can stay? You know. So we'll we'll see but it'll be interesting to see how it goes NAS mission team imitates and I mean Genuine hadn't given any. I thought in terms of the big like grip stages. I think we've got a good chance in the groups I think You know on paper might look like we have the strongest team but like Kazakhstan of two very good singles players around fifty in the world. You on play well and then Holland of God really strong doubles and Robin Hasse. Who's been struggling singles wise this year? But you you know he he can play well. He's really talented guy. So I think we can get through the groups if everyone performs and plays well. But it's not you know it's not not Gimme and for us because you know there's some some good combinations there in terms of Kazakhstan singles and doubles so we'll need to wanting to play well to to get through talk twelve months from now and what you think you would regard as success between now and then I mean I know birth. Probably not the answer that you'd be looking for I would want to be healthy That's what I would want. You know like I think over the last six months or so definitely last six to nine months like you realize is like what really is important and like the reason you remember like why I started playing tennis in the first place and what the reasons for that were and you know. I played tennis when I was a kid through. You know obviously all my professional career And I I played it because I really love tennis and I really enjoyed playing and being healthy allows me to to do that. And it's nice being able to win competitions and having a high ranking and stuff that's that's Great Basha the the the reason why is because I love and I need to try and remember that. So if I'm therapy in the world or seventy in the world like if I'm still enjoying an enjoying the preparations in and the training and all of that stuff feel competitive than you know to be successful me but I need to remember that. Sometimes it's difficult when you start playing competing and losing matches and you really WanNa do better so that would be successful. I could stay dave stay healthy and hopefully stay stay on the court home as it was before No look I think I can. I think my body's showed that I'm going to be able to do that. They'll be able to to play a high level so and that's where I just need to be smart with my scheduling and the amount of tournaments that I play and also like being a little bit. You know the beginning of the year reactive in terms of like you know if I plan on playing three tournaments. Let's say in the first couple of months of the year but only win one match in each tournaments will could add a tournament but if I end up doing with old and maybe I'd play tournament less which in the past past. I wouldn't have done that. I would've had my schedule and it would have been late right. I have to play in Indian Wells and Miami because that's what the tourist says and you know they're mandatory events and you must play them whereas I'm not going to be not going to be looking at my schedule and my tournament year like that at all anymore quite differently for the WHO can visit us a subject close to my hawk racing. Komo pass an alternate make you fear retirement and think Oh. This could be my life after tennis when I'm not driven when you sit in their you'll probably to kill me for saying this but we'd always said I don't want to end up. What happened with an compare that I knew papers I know is from tomorrow because he was obviously when he was playing he? was you know great shape and very thin and then obviously when he stopped take things went so yeah. It's a knit avoid that so there's only Murray talking to US lot in the in the shop. Nobody got free stuff. And that's why we failed to clarify exactly exactly how to pronounce the name of the reward. He sounds in good spirits. Isn't he sounds he sounded really chirpy and So looking good. I can't really believe like the idea of him still being professional tennis player. Just mad isn't it. When you actually something about that about is through? Imagine I mean he had like fellow innovation. He went to saint did. Yeah Oh there is amazing. How'd you I asked him about the success story? Deny about twelve months from now what what would success be. And what do you think success would be finally bury takeaway. Obviously yes we. He wants to be healthier totally get that from his perspective. What do you really mystically think? We're going to be looking at from any twelve times fitness. I think yeah he's looking at the slams uh-huh I think if next year he got a quarterfinal that will be a really fantastic result. I think anything beyond not as optimistic. It's not impossible because it sounded Murray but I to me that seems about the level that I find it absolutely absolutely fascinating. The way he said his trainer matlet little thinks that he will be better suited now two grand slams than he would tour events because he's playing every other day rather than every day so the best of five-set element is less of a concern than the every day and how amazing to hear him use the words and concerned about the hip as he did in that door discussion. You know he's confident that the hip will hold. Its getting his strength back getting all the other other factors of his fitness back. That is the bit of the unknown but to just to hear him. Say those words where he's probably not stop thinking about the hit for three years the fact that it's no longer even a consideration really when he steps on cold completely remarkable. I'm still slightly concerned. End About things like the elbow and stuff like that. How much where tear on the rest of the bodies compensator injury? We won't know that of course until he starts playing but it's nice in him looking just such good spirits and look in Ford's and now yeah. He's he doesn't need to do he's. He's got his documentary coming out. which will chronicle exactly what he's been through but basically he is proper tennis-star again? I mean what would probably be ashamed open third round. I mean obviously it depends on his drawer to be unseated. There'd be no you can really be disappointed could do. I think it'd be really difficult within this all about the dress. She called me. This is draw and we ended up game. That's not too bad up. Yep I would be disappointed in the second yeah. I agree with the goodyear behind say fourth round. He plays Novak Djokovic. I Yeah I mean it's possible right. You're going to be yeah. We'd give them a free party. Will that that practice Matt. Yeah Yeah that one you witnessed Oh dear so somber. Yeah it was hideous. I hope horrible chocolate is well interesting. Interesting counterfactual because I think if he hadn't played I think the only thing that forced him to go so public with everything that's going on with because he played that much different at seen it like he was able to hide all all of that uniquely. Australian isn't it no matter. Is these practice matches. Yeah it is one of the great unknowns of this year. Why He? He agreed to do that. Match that practice match opinion is our it was so public. Don't you think it's classic Murray though almost just flocking himself itself publicly just to find out where I am. I'm not GonNa just do it against some any old person I think possibly subconscious telling him and that he needed a reality check. Yeah that's what I want. Oh yeah almost unique. You just need to come out and yeah hit. Rock Bolton Bolton just go publicists documentary I also really liked tomorrow. His Attitude Institute to the Davis Cup in that we just heard how many people we've heard completely writing off before it's even started a Murray with sexual wise voices sang that there are concerns about it but I'm equally. I'm really excited to play. I WANNA give chance and I thought that was really quite refreshing thing and thank goodness. Mary's back to say smart things. Yeah it's very twenty nineteen. Isn't it that everyone just feels compelled to take elaine commit to it. Stridently with imperfect knowledge of checked on the ticket sales by the way after because he he was wondering what happens after the group phases. And they've they've said that there will be tickets put aside for the nations. Sounds that that actually get through so that they have their chance to to get some and as things stand the semi finals and final are selling well over seventy five percent and at the moment which which is not as pleasing so. Hopefully we'll be ridiculed crowd in Madrid the other talking talking about that. We didn't get a chance to cover last night because we were on air at the time and the tennis podcast. When rounded out came into his press conference was the exchange? You had with Ugalde Scana. Kinda gotta the Italian journalist who guest this guest room. Football thing isn't quite an equivalent in the last of the English language questions Ugalde. Who who is somebody? Who has these this long winded way of asking questions and he goes all sorts of different routes and never completely sure which way he's going to go but does end up often fun getting quite interesting answers in almost in spite of himself but but but but he does often answers that we end up using he said something? I didn't quite understand it but but he was kind of questioning. Whether Nadal's poor performance might be due to being distracted by having got married last week and you build a jumped on on social media reaction was to call it bullshit bullshit question and let me go to Spanish now. Let's Mussa question. Thank you very much from a a journalistic perspective Charlie. I saw Steve Fraser from the Times. She said he thought it was a perfectly legitimate question. What did you think it's one of those? I mean if I were thinking about asking that question. I'd be very wary and I would think there's a decent chance I'm GONNA get get shut down here. He might have thought. There's a chance I'll get a good answer and if I do that's a really good story. it's obviously it can feel a bit inappropriate or whatever I just kind of think you can ask the question but then it's also fair enough enough doubt to slap it down like I kind of in a way. I just think we don't even have to make anyone the bad guys just. He's asked a question and he's got a response and and kind of move on and you know he he probably I don't know I don't really know what he was expecting. The Dow to say you know. Ah Yes you're right. I was dropping short because fifty And and my wife is here but like I would say for me. The admin of getting married beforehand is far more distracting. I show slaving over seating plans and flowers but like you know man is stressful time. Consuming getting married in the aftermath nots among just showed up in a seat Redman is a new word learning all sorts. What do you both think I think it was bullshit question? I think that sometimes Bouche questions get good quotes so and a and a lot of journalists prepared to to take the hits of getting a getting a chastening response in order to get the get quotes and and sometimes we pray grateful for them. And that's great. But I do. Think Bullshit Quest Percy I. I didn't particularly like the question but I have. I don't really have a problem with him asking as like you said as long as he's prepared to get slapped down. I think it's perfectly fair enough. What did and I'm quite pleased? He did it as well because he was quite entertaining. And Yeah All's fair as long as you you take it on the Chin which about incidentally didn't he does do they slap downs really well. No doesn't he won a post fall. It can also be if he'd if he'd said like son of a bitch but they've if curious trained is hard to know if meaningless uh-huh horrifying admission that he doesn't like cheese big if adult press conference unacceptable unacceptable. Well so very quickly. Then the preview of tomorrow what have we got some are hotter. Nuno's doll will right okay. Who went in that? I would say Medvedev I WANNA say method of Matt. Scott his head in his hands it can go onto the next one if these ads verification. Sobat both tough to call tomorrow. I think We don't do my predicts thirteen instead can can I mean sits Pasco a really good record against various. He seems to cause him trouble. So I I think I might go sit surpass Zverev and and Medvedev I think sits pass sits Medvedev. I'M GONNA GONNA give it. I'm going to give him not dull. Does that mean we've all different COMBOS. No think they've done the same. What doesn't happen they say hang we've gotten adul- part from crashing out the tomorrow correct? I only this big. Charlie did the eyebrow. Well we gotta get a picture of that final point I've found out you all right about boomers Catherine Katherine. I'm not one nine hundred and forty six to nine hundred sixty four baby boomer. Yeah it's not me on the dictionary thing that phrase has been around literally literally since nineteen forty six big. Thank you to share in Sheaf who has sent me a link with all sorts of contextual phrases that I didn't understand you're in the say I'm a millennial generation X. Generation Resolution Foundation think-tank defines genetics as those was born between nine hundred. Sixty six thousand nine hundred eighty. They grew up in a time. When technology was advancing fast wasn't nearly as readily available as it is today because of this the generation straddles both she digital and non digital world and understands the importance of both? I am therefore resourceful logical and good problem solver editing out. Let's say everybody born at the years. Nineteen sixty four nine six eighty it properly. That's me folks. What's what what it's all about? Okay Charlie was been ladies. Have you with us on vis-a-vis here and the house athletic. It's going very well. Thank you into my seventh week and very much enjoying it. Good man where we love reading your stuff. We'll have soon you on the tennis podcast. Thank you very much for joining US Castro. No matter we're back tomorrow. We are brought in association with the town of graphic produced by tennis balls DOT COM and Mascot Israel with a why why tomorrow Matt tool of sat together chip matching downfall. It's ever GonNa Happen here the two because that's how we get classics. We'll see you tomorrow.

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Sophie Raworth

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Sophie Raworth

"Hello. I'm Jenny Falkiner. And welcome to the podcast about all things. Running. Welcome to run poured every weaken run port. I'm joined by a very special guest. And this amazing supreme women is literally on machine new joke. She's just finished reading the news on the telly. She's probably run to me here in the studio. She's a good friend of mine albeit far too fast for my liking. It is miss speedy Gonzales as so fear. Via you didn't run the air. I didn't run a divorce, but it's quite cold. I've got boots on as you can see not very good from a running gait Uttley disappointing. I run seventeen miles yesterday. The okay fair enough. I mean, you are amazing. And this is this is what gets me because you've been running for a while now and every year you just set yourself bigger challenges undo bicker revisions on longer runs. You are actually crazy. I'm completely utterly addicted. And the thing is who is to blame for my addiction. I mean, she'll just cut to the quick. And just really explain who got me into the running you. I know you didn't mean to, but you're on television twenty ten London marathon you finish the London marathon, you looked glowingly hadn't run any distance satori cross the finish line you interviewed on telly and you stood there. I it all to Karen at Matt Roberts, and I'm mmediately googled her. And I found her and I was training with about two weeks as you do this marathon running you have full time job you have three children, and you have a life as well yet. You. Manage to put in the hours in the training, and you've come to a little bit later than a lot of people as well. I can't really start running properly until I was I didn't even have a go at half marathon toys, the t seven thirty six thirty seven thirty eight after my second child. So I was in my late thirties and before I didn't know excise whatsoever. Nothing tool and people always think only must have been running your life at I really haven't had another child. So it was a good sort of four or five years before. I saw you finish thought. Right. Gone give it a go. And then I ran a couple of half marathons the great north run. Why did you start because they asked me to do not just had my second child, and it was sort of six months away. And I thought oh, okay. Will be good way to lose some baby weight, and I hadn't gone back to work. And I just saw as nice challenge and why not funded quite I found it hard. I mean, I go to training planet to very seriously trained properly and once in the trainer really enjoyed the trading in the end, and I get completely hooked. I know I love this story. So we kind of around that time as also we've known each other what nine years now, and I was doing three thirty marathan on really proud of that you've come a long not having done Amara from before come in trained. And now your way faster, the me the first one I'd do black out if you remember it wasn't great. I mean, the first one was a complete and utter disaster. I did I did the marathon the year after you, did it sure you were doing it again that year, and I've been completely inspired by you, Karen weird. Trae me, she trained you. So I thought this is going to do and she said you might be able to undo four hours, and I couldn't believe that. I never run before. I was forty two forty three. And I'd never done American Malev. Am I pushed it and pushed it, and I thought I can't have too much water because I might need to stop for the new. So I didn't drink enough water. It was hot blacked-out at twenty four miles. I was out unconscious for twenty minutes for the temperature of a hundred and six on oxygen. I thought I was going to die think they thought I was going to die and then. Did she finished it? I had two hours with them. Nice Cup of tea lovely lady looked after me and funding. They put they said they were gonna put me on a bus to the finish. What am I going to bust finish? I'm going to get to the finish six twenty two minutes. I knew that you stole. By didn't quite knew that you went through all that kind of expediency as well. And that you had two cups of tea you had. Genuinely was everybody said you can't hurt again it really scared me. I that was I the irony was I was running my first marathon to raise money for cancer research because I knew four women who had all died in the early forties of cancer, breast cancer, and they'd left children behind my children. My three children were at the finish line with my parents and my husband, and I was lying having complete Hanoch attack on oxygen. And I I remember him for the scions in the clouds thinking how ridiculous I'm going to die, and I've been running all the doing lists. And I'm gonna leave my own children now because I was just running a marathon. And they just kept me there and kept monitoring me. And then once those able to get up again, they said they, you know, go on the bus. But I did I actually didn't walk much of it. They said you have to work walked out of their sight in that. I thought I'm running go to the my poor parents had no idea 'cause I'd written my own phone number by mistake on the back of my race number and my parents were the finish line. No. Nobody knew or should happen to me, and they were packing up the Stam's, and I still hadn't appeared. And and they I think they are they really panicked. He knew what what it was that led you to collapse in the first planet. Dehydration. Just just it was warm and I didn't drink enough water. And I just didn't I didn't know the signals the signs. I just didn't know how to you know. Now, I go run a marathon more stations every mile. I have a couple of sips of water. And I keep going. I mean, there's the you can get in trouble just in the opposite drinking too much water. That's actually more dangerous because you just flood your system. So you've just got to know what you're doing and be quite careful, but the year after I was nervous. So I wore a heart monitor and as always in the back of my mind. I mean, it was it was twenty eleven it wasn't that long ago. So it was quite was a good early lesson. You've got to treat the distance with respect. And you've got to be careful. I am in complete all of you. Because you I mean, you had that scary experience of the star. But as you say didn't put you off and you coming back do your husband and kids run as well. My husband used to run, and he was only got me into it. But he hurt his. Voter she running in American, and he never got it sorted out. Now, he can't run he plays lots of other sport. But he has to do one or the other. He can't do. Both my children who are now. Fourteen thirteen and ten the two younger ones are really good runners and depart from with me my youngest in ten year old as part with me, and he's beats me. I've got him on the PB. I came back from a big run in may. And I was really really light. And I was I was very fit, and I got my PB personal best this year program. So I did my park run in twenty minutes and thirty one seconds. My ten year old has done it in twenty minutes and thirty five seconds, and I'm holding onto that because you is definitely going. He's going the right way. And I'm going to runway. Really fast for. Mary me one clues. Are you going to try and get under twenty? I don't know if that was a bit of a one off, I just did it. And then I'd I'd like to where you have to do on the treadmill because on the treadmill? You can absolately make it happen account run on treadmills a kennel. Do you run you run on trembles cannot do it? I can last about ten minutes, I get bored. Stupid and have to come off a just hate them. Does that button the stop? And I'm just saying I'm gonna press it. I'm going to stop. Okay. So here's the thing. So every year now on the marathan, Sophie I start together. And she's right. We'll do this journey and we do this for few miles. Just disappears. We have Bob one those year. That was I had a bad moment with you leave over trip Tova. And then I had awful moment of I had to didn't. He wasn't going to start. I actually feel really guilty. We were the lovely chef Marcus, he stopped. He helped you pick me pick you up. This is very true is true. And I'm slightly biased about it. No. You can't get backwards in America. I was headed. I mean, you just need to stop. Do find just keep running. Think if I thought for do I stop my words, no constant my watch. Because that also if I ever stop running I start my work, and I don't know the marathon account. I'm gonna go she's on the floor, and then you're up and that was right trip me out. There are some people are really evil on Maryland's cut in front of and this person. Tripped me up, but Marcus who's directly behind me just like scooped me up like, you would do a total. I remember your face back. And there was like do I stole keep going, and she did that kind of let. I did that to my child though. I mean, honestly, I do that to my child impart Krung because she's running with me, and we're going really fast, and I was on PB half mile before the end, she's our account. Do I'm on for a PB. What do you mean, you this keep getting and I had that awful moment to stop do? I know and I was ready flowing. And. Teach. I had a friend. He'll he'll skip. Yeah. Absolutely. There may be people listening who are sitting on the sofa on there. Like, I really wanna go at but it's rubbish weather outside. Would you still go whatever the weather because I love the way of life. Now. I love the training gets me out into the parks. I don't mind the weather. Some of my best runs have been in torrential rain, just laughing because you're so completely sold through. But that's wonderful runs in the snow. Gale force winds the lot be you don't feel that. You don't you? Don't feel a cold in the same way. And if I if I were out there walking got enjoy it is because I'm running I love it. What would you say to anyone just died? Just get up to school. I think ministers cliche. But you never regret a run. I think often you often go in unless you follow over. And so he doesn't pick. You you love that run in the end. I didn't for a few days after now. Now, you could doing again. Varied out fair enough is true though. Isn't it? Once you get started. There's something that just keeps bringing you back really is. There's a camera to about I've met so many people do pot run. So many people through that who've become my greatest friends met kept doing London mirth, and I did that few times. And then I got fast enough. I'm realized I had qualified for the Boston marathon you have to qualify with time. And I'm lucky because I'm a bit older the older, you get these is qualify as women particularly. So I qualify for the Boston marathon. And I went off on my own because I didn't know anybody who's doing it. I met a friend called Suzy Chan who's a bit of a legend in the world of Oprah running. Which is when you anything more than American anything ever twenty six miles becomes an ultra and she has done mad mad races all over the world. And we've became absolutely great. Great friends, and I ended up running the Sahara desert with her last year in April. We ended up doing all the abbot world Mejia's. There are six of them. London. Boston, Chicago, Berlin, New York. Tokyo. And if you do those marathons you then get a big metal a like a big mental. So we traveled around the world to attend any medals. Do you have got so many medals have racks of you have any more does Lou? No, they're all do you have a couple of framed that she my husband very kindly framed a couple. I have my have one. My Boston marathons framed. I have a couple of London ones my marathon disarm, blah, which I did in April. That's okay. So Meyerson into salve if you don't know as basically the toughest foot race is that what they call us. When cool strictly true there are harder ones. But it's one hundred fifty six miles across the Sahara desert six marathons in five days and on top of doing let in the forty fifty degree heat. You have to carry absolutely everything you need and the camp moves every day. So they provide you with what is called a tent, but it's it sleeps eight people. It's open sided basically blanket on sticks. They give you water and they. Give you Brown plastic bags because there's no running water. So you're in your running kit for you, don't change clothes verdant. I think are all the same kit for she must have absurd been Hunkin via the didn't think we were. That was the funny thing we had ten days when no change of clothes. No, no shower. No, Washington nothing. And I remember she sent some them really didn't think too racial today. And it was only when we got in a taxi at the end of this race. I think sort of seven or eight days driver was actually passing driver who lives. There had rolled down. All the windows yet, four of us in the taxi, and he rolled out all the windows, and it was at that point. We just went. We're ready smell. Little bit punching little bit punchy. But that was that was an extraordinary. So you go, and you just you run eighteen miles day one we did twenty four to eighteen three than they have the long stage, which is fifty four miles in which is is that one go. Lingo having done all these long day after day. So you the fourth day you do the long one the ultra fifty four miles. Then you have a day of if you complete the fifty four miles or the mongo or you can do in goes you can have Inslee in the middle in one of the checkpoints. And then you do a full marathon at twenty six miles on the last day. And it's it's not you're not running. You can't we couldn't run it all with. We've you have to walk some it because it's June's. It's uphill lots of climbing you mountain Jebel as they're called mountains where we're literally putting us up on ropes that the end of it, and you know, picking your way through rocks to climb up the mountain. So it's it's a mixture of running walking run half of it. I assume a lot of people don't complete as well. Well, Jean the completion rate is really quite high was so the thousand of us doing it, the will one hundred we need more women gun two hundred and seventy five women a thousand people in total, and I think a hundred didn't finish it. So out of given given the conditions and given. You know, you really have to fend for yourself. You gotta make your own food. You have your expedition food, and you have to have your own stove, and you boil water, and you mix it all up, and you've got to have all your medical kit with you and a middle. They have lots of doctors there, and if something goes wrong, but given the sort of the hardship of it and the thing the blisters the blisters of the worst thing. So some people one guy in the tent next to us lost the whole soul of his feet both feet because his shoes with the wrong size, and he just slipped around. And he still finished it a high on painkillers, but he still finished us feeling most excruciating. We'll see I think at that stage. I would then full light with the person who had gone to sign up. A few harsh words and their direction was none of it was it was under your breath. It wasn't that she Suzy. It was another friend was a friend of mine from work Susie said. Well, I've done that race three times before you not going without me. So she came her husband came into other friends of us. So there was seven of us in total by the time, we got there, and no we signed up after Christmas party. And it's like seemed like a really good idea. And I thought I probably went end up doing this, and it got closer and closer lyrical couldn't pull out and I really genuinely wanted to. I was so frightened. I've not been that frightened or of so out of my comfort zone. And I didn't think I could do it and about two days before spoke to somebody who'd done if years before he said to me just take it one day at time. So okay, I'll under an if I can only do one day at least all of got my dear what the marathon disabled is like, and I'll just have tried. And so when I did it, and I got the end of day one. All right. I'm still here can be Medina feet. Right. I'll try to. And they kept saying to me in the tent. You do you think you can do it? Now kept saying I'm not going to do to cross that finish line. You don't know. You just don't know. So it was massive. I cried when across the finish line. I was so emotional because I just couldn't it was. It was something I push myself quite hard anyway. But that was so far from what I normally do. And it just really taught me listeners. You couldn't believe what my body was capable of doing a lot of holes you back with. You're just starting out in running a lot of what holds you back your head. It's suicidal true. Because I would have thought on something like that you you would have been an inner turmoil Israel because you've been thinking about things, and mentally you've got to be really strong keep going. I was very lucky because I ran with Suzy her husband, and the friend had signed up with. So there were four of us who stuck together the hallway through so we did all of it together as most people. You don't tend to be the same pace. And you know, you you kind of get separated, and then you meet up again. So I had psychologically I had a lot of support lower through. So we didn't we didn't talk to which but we're just follow each other's heels. And we get checkpoints and you get water and just got into a rhythm and a routine. So that kept me going the only tough time I had was on the long stage, the fifty four mile and we've been going for twelve hours, and we had to walk a lot of that because it was so much climbing and we'd been with run three days before for three days before that. So we were pretty tired and the one one of the case I was with just decided in his wisdom. It was a great idea. Tell us exactly how much further we had to go and how long it was going to take us. And he said, we've only got another six hours and my feet were screaming at this point. I thought six hours, and honestly, I thought I was going to cry a really thought it was going to cry. We had to go into the sun jeans. I went ready. And Suzy's husband who's just so lovely and calm. And is we call him the rock? He just came. He walk next to me. And he didn't say anything really reassuring, and I kind of went through it. And then you just get closer and closer. And suddenly we were there. We did it. I knew afterwards you were saying you you should do it. But I don't do if like I am fitting. I'm sure anyone knows. I would love to do that. There's questions thing you can walk walk. So there are people out there. What people were couple of people in the seventies. Who will who you can walk it cut off times as a camel at the back? So the thing is not to get caught by the camel. If you see the camel, you're in trouble being overtaken by the rhino on day. Well, although once you get overtaken by the camel, you're out, so if the camel catches, you have stop by the cutoff times, a quite generous, very generous that she's so you've got plenty of time to do it and people do go literally walk it. So you could do as a totally different pace. You're an amazing experience. Incredible. It's just that whole thing of being stripped back to absolutely the bare essentials, go phone, your cut off all we had to survive on with the sort of food that we were carrying and the banter in the tent I had visions of roaming, the campaign making lots of new fridge, friends and chatting away and improving. My french. And the reality was I went back to the ten didn't move later hours on an ima Stephen back didn't move. I mean, it was exhausting as well after knife. You've done an TRE Martha or an event as major as that. Do you find that you just take forever to recover? No. Because I wouldn't run the London marathon about later mills it was ten days later. Yeah. I tell you what you were super skinny. I was really thin lost a stone in weight virgin because I had to carry a couldn't take any more a little my back. So anything I was going to eat was was a rucksack, and you're using so much energy every day. I had three thousand calories a day. I was probably using way more than that. I couldn't couldn't put the calories in and I was using the so far. So I lost away. I was surprised much weight loss. And would you again? Yes, totally. Hopefully, would no not now because there are other things too. I think my reservation would also be the it was such. It was such Brennan experience in such a great group of people. We did it with like to leave enough time between that one and another one just do it differently somewhat race it next time. I didn't really race it. I just wanted to finish it, and it be quite fun to give it a, you know, you you haven't even been doing running for ten years. Race it next time. Since you started doing all this running because you've only been doing it less than ten years. I mean, your fitness obviously through the roof. But have you noticed a change in your physique as well? Yes. I mean, a much stronger than I was before that's a found some of the stuff I'd written when I did my first marathon in twenty eleven and I found a blog that I'd written in the run-up to that. And I had forgotten. How much I hurt when I first started running and every time moment running my muscles hurt my joints hurt. And I got my TB bands. Which when you start running, you know, all about the band at the side between your knee and your hip all that stuff really hurt. And it seemed to hurt the whole time. And now, I can run seventy miles. You started host tool will run long distances unless I'm racing racing. It I'm fine. And my body's definitely got used to it. But I think what I find more than anything. What I love about. It is the confidence is giving me even later in life and also the confidence it gives everybody else who discovers running. And I think it's you know. You know, people talk about running for mental health. I think really helps your your head as well as your body. And I've got a really good girlfriend home who she was about about eighteen nineteen twenty stone. I didn't know she was she was much heavier than she is. Now, she refused wouldn't countenance running. And then she started losing weight, then she started going on a treadmill, but wouldn't run outside. She lost six stone. I think she's not seven even eight finally got her to park run. It took me a good eight months. She was terrified. She said. I can't be embarrassed. We'll look at me, which is not what it's like a tool people walk park run. I think that's a real sort of people don't understand that part run. You can go and you can literally walk it. Nobody looks at you. Everybody's really supportive and cheers you on particularly people who are at the back, and I took my friend depart from a year ago. And she's now done thirty forty. She runs it in about twenty four twenty five twenty six minutes, which is really good. And she. Looks amazing. She's lost so much weight. And she feels great, and you can see the confidence that it's given her. That's just a year of being out there getting out then she's she's a dictator. She done two half marathons now and room. Oh, I think that's a lot of people think it's too late when they concern point. They've never done it before they they fear that their their joints. As you say are going to maybe creek and little bit. And they're gonna do damage because there's all this all these people that go running and you're going to damage your knees. But I think I don't know about you. But money's don't touch with one. Is don't hurt tool own? They did a bit. It wasn't actually my knees. It was muscles pulling on monies. I think as long as you anyone who is not run who wants to run. I would always say to them go and get some shoes go to a short where they're put on a treadmill. And you just they'll tell you which shoes because you know, you and I both. You know, you and I both we four the same trainers. But you member that time we won't say, which bore the same. And we both got injured. We've both got real achilles must be this train. It was the trainer, and that was extraordinarily changed. Let's not name them. But they changed the model of shoe that completely affected both both of us manure the people and my kids went I couldn't run for eight months. And I couldn't unafraid as either you didn't think it was the training. I know it's so funny because we both got there and we had both been wearing the same. The shooting is key. Every time I've been injured. It has been a result of wearing shoes. That may be on. Right. I don't do you can read you can see. So that's crucial. If you're going to start running go and get the right trainers. So at least, you know, that your feet are going to be everyone asks me all the time trainers, I run in. What do you were you? I think Brooks Brooks. So I wear Brooks now, and I'm just religious about how to have the same ones. But they just work for me. And it just it really depends on your foot Pence. How you run I have my feet go over slightly over pro Nate as they call it. So. So I I need some bit of support, and I also have trail she's if I go into the country, which I'm been doing more and more of discovered this amazing app. Really cool. The OS the ordinance survey up, and you can know I put my phone, and I can plot routes in the country can pitch up anywhere and find trails go on a single road. And I go nearly pas on my own. It's wonderful upset shoes to do that. See? That's the thing. Now, you can't actually go running with your smartphone. And because. Presumably strives, the other thing that everyone seems to be used in our it's an maps your distance your time your pace is sort of Facebook for runs is absolutely brilliant. I am running the moment in training and the trainer can see I've done on strivers. So he instantly news. Whether I take her across is on. On to deliver the runs, but there are so many decent apps out there as well for runners, courage in strove, I think it's great for because people you can have your friends. You don't have you know, I have a couple of people following me. You can give other people encouragement, and you can see what they're doing. And you can do that runs, and they can come up with you and motivation. Do you know this year at the London marathon over half? The first time runners are women there are more and more women than ever taking running London. Doing a great job. Getting more women. They're really trying to encourage more women to do it. I think it's really important because a lot of women. I don't know why a lot of women are put off trying and it is that whole lured ought to be looked at. And you know, I don't want to be out there looking Houghton sweaty. And it's it's, you know, women should be doing it. There should be more women doing these other ultra races as well. The Richard times are changing more and more women are in and they're gain faster, and I need to up my game bit because people that you're dealing really, Jennifer. You are really fast. You know that you got to do the training. All is. I mean, that's the thing with. Running your first. Towards the end of the seconds. I'm just going to do the old quick fire. I mean, they're they're no that quick. But they're quite quite far. How many days can you go without running not many really not many. I run five days a week. And I have to have as part of my ever an online coach it I have an online coach who have any met three times in four years. He sends me a plan. Do what he says. So he I have to have two days off a week fine. Okay. I'm what would you do? What would you turn into? If you didn't get to run on the day, you're planning to I feel really guilty for really bad. If I don't so yesterday, for example, this is how extremist Iran thirteen miles, and it was really hilly and we climb two thousand feet, and it was quite hard work, but on my training planet said seventeen miles and they all wanted to finish. So I then drove back to London pick my kids up got home park, my car and went around for more. She's actually Chris. Just about. What's your mom gone? And they said running an his she just gone running. I said, yes. But not enough. I think they just kind of got in Scots gestation, I raise like she has actually gone to life Mahy. She's she's gone someone. She's always running. Yes. No. He's he plays quite sport too. So he gets he gets it. Okay. Fair. All right. We're quite equal on that one. When do you experience runner's high crossing a finish line and getting a medal with the PB? Yeah. Obviously, okay. At best race or event. Leave a really enjoyed. I'm gonna love the Maratha loved lost to man the whole. Oh my God. I haven't even asked you this. You actually race a horse. Come come. This. You're gonna do doors Taverners in Wales. Just Brecon beacons. You raise sixty horses a thousand runners and they had sixty horses ridden with people on their backs and he's going to be the horse new. They have twice in. This is the fortieth anniversary this year, and it started because the head of the hunt the Huntsman how to chat with the guy who run the pub, and they said, what would be faster over this terrain Amana remorse, and it's twenty two miles. And so said, well, let's have a Goethe's race. So they went off and they raced and it turned. Out that I think the horses one most times bar two. And then last year the runner came in. He did twenty two miles in his really hilly in two and a half hours. He got to the end and you have to wait fifty minutes because the horses essential fifty minutes after us they had to wait fifty minutes. And it got five minutes to go for minutes to go three minutes to go one minute to go and then with eleven seconds to spare the halls came. So poor man lost. He would have got eleven thousand pounds. I think as the prize to have beaten, the horse at year prize money seems to go, but it was hilarious. It was such fun and I did beat some horses. Oh well excited. I'd be the pantomime horse. We we raised a few horses run as a quite good 'Saints visa man versus worth my time point what you're running goals this year apart from that one. So I'm going to do the marathon I'm going to do membe halls. I'm going to do an ultra cool the north downs way, which has fifty miles which is sort of mad quite fun. And then at the end of the year might do another huge big ultra the American disabled if I'm all right? Let's see lazy. I mean, I am doing one. And I might run home a few days a week. Finally, what is the best thing about being a runner the confidence that gives you the freedom. It gives you to get out into the countryside, the sensation of being strong, and the cameraderie and the people on the community that you become part of few things there. Then you see if you are currently listening to Sophian I have a chat, and you are running along. And you're thinking of coming to a stop don't keep going. Stop. Two little stops. Yeah. Stop fan every. You know going, but you know, you can have a little break in the Sophie, thank you so much for coming in chatting all things running a love that you're no part of run pods. Run club is I'm very proud to be part of especially since you were the person who got me into running firm sakes. I know I know she literally lets me fall over it doesn't pick me up, but really feel bad. Now. One of the reasons I wanted to. Sufi Ray worth aka superwomen. Thank you so much. Thank you as well. For being a part of the wrong port run club. We will be back together. Again, very Cindy with another very special guest who also loves that feeling you get when you stick your trainers on header at the door. So join us next time to see what it is about running. They love so much. Thanks for joining us go on for sprint finish.

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Davis Cup Finals Day 2 - Midnight mayhem, but a proper atmosphere

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Davis Cup Finals Day 2 - Midnight mayhem, but a proper atmosphere

"Hi I'm John John McEnroe Martina Navratilova Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo Dunbar Wanka. I'm Andy Murray. Hi this is Gina Madeo and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Yes thank you to Jen. Amadeo who has introduced the tennis podcast today and is one of our kickstarter backers four to one thousand nine hundred ninety one of the reasons why we're able to produce this many shows and we can't thank all of you enough who've supported us over the last year Nearly one hundred thirty shows we've produced now. I think it will be that many. By the time we finished the year and the the goal is to produce just as many next year if we can do As many exciting things as we possibly can with this show and so our kickstarter will begin on December. The second in just a couple of weeks time now you can hear an announcement in the background there in Madrid. Because that's where Matt Roberts says in the middle of the night matt it has been a long goldway few. How's it going? Yes that was just to announce that Australia are coming into press which is not even the last thing that where we happening tonight. Because there's still a doubles match to go as I come to his temple midnight. That will be on core in ten minutes and it's all a bit bonkers but it's very Spain Very Madrid and if there's one city way can get away with it probably is this one but yes. I'm having to slightly keep my voice down because yes I'm in the media center. Want to disturb anyone but I am absolutely buzzing having just Just been on court for Dowell you were on court with Di was yes sir. It looks remarkably like current addtional. Just just to be clear. What time did you get there? Today I got on site about ten this morning Pakistan so just just the full team and these doesn't wasn't finished yet. The doubles is about to start. It's one all between Spain and Russia and then once that's all done mathematical leave and and it's about an hour and to his hotel maybe about four. Am Start Tomorrow with the Gbi on eleven. Yes now a tolkien. Brilliant ahead write this match. Let's start with it. The one you Washington right now. We've decided we we have to record now because we're it's on satellite. It's it's been proper Davis Cup tonight has not in terms of what we know. Is Davis this COP. It's been a home team against an away team and I think that this is you know sue the one side of things people may say. Well they go than it does it. It does preserve this kind of Davis Cup that people cherish so much others will say well. Yeah this is what makes us so sad sad that we're losing the home away throughout the year. You know it depends how you coming at it doesn't it. I mean I loved it tonight. It was absolutely fantastic festival we had Andrei Rupe live Beating Roberta Battista seven six in the third including seven zero tiebreak which was was mind blowing. And then we've had rough dahl equal things up against Kevin Hatching of in a really close one particularly the second set that Rab- live Battista match kind of had everything. It was such a good match and it was such an easy one for the fans to get into because there were so many swings of momentum. There were lots of breaks. Lots of breakpoints eight points. Lots of big moments and it just was absolutely perfect for the atmosphere which was which was special at the star. And then it just reached the kind of Chris Crescendo towards third set. And then there was this really strange atmosphere when about Easter. You've lost couldn't gays rack. You're on a ball in the in the tie-break as you said Rube left winning at seven seven love just cracking winners. And then it was kind of like Is this going to be a problem for Spain. We Com Russia win Spain fighting for second in that group. You know they might not go through. And then everyone kind of remember. Hang on a minute. We've got We've got I found out all things. Things might be okay and always think in Spain whenever around Madrid play doesn't expectancy since they're going to win round Madrid fans Goto the stadium expecting round. Were to win and I really got that sense with adult tonight. It was like a K- it's fine. We've gotten the doll. He will win. And that is an incredible amount of pressure on the Dow and yet he just performed so oh well like it was any other man. She was so relentless I ball allows and I'd like to see more Dow Hatch Knob. I think that's a really good matchup. Ah It works really well. They've had good Max in the past and this was another one and yet and the dog just does what an adult twenty fifth win in a row in the Davis Cup. He's only ever lost once to Novak. But Not Novak Djokovic Year Novak the first ever Davis Cup tie and then he won twenty five in a row since then I mean the man man is extraordinary ordinary and tonight he. I saw the first Sam and saw the whole match for the first. He was like a dog walk us just being given meet I. I'm in a week. He was just ravenous he was and it was. It was everything that the O.. Two wasn't sir. In the the first couple of rounds group matches he had there but I just felt when he went out. Although it was sort of a shame on one level for that event I thought correct. This is going to do in the world. Good he's had three matches. He's got progressively better. And now here he is looking fresh and ready to go. And you saw the way burst out of the blocks yet. This would. This was not possible without what he did to he. He played himself out of an injury and into form their his tennis is just right where he wants it to be. I mean you know. Let's not forget. He ended up beating the eventual champion at the two. You know he was. He was playing that well by the end of it and I just think he's developed his game so much. I just think you know. His backhand now is almost as good as his forehand at times and yet his foot work works so good that he's able to get himself as many forehands as possible Varied is served right right in the end of the tiebreak keeping serving out wide the whole match and then he hit one up not in court action of completely by surprise. Just an amazing sense of the moment and tactical decision. Asian in under that pressure Yeah he was he was he was spellbinding tonight and there was a really crackling atmosphere and watching the watching any member but I think the big three in front of their home crowd is going to be a very special and certainly that was the case in the Dow is such such appreciation for him in the second set hatch really started to get into it with him didn't he. He took him on. He went toe to toe. And I did feel that. Nadal was stunning to look okay a little tight at the end because as you say enormous pressure and let's not forget. They were one zero down Spain from that first rubber and he it's on him he's got to produce and you know just imagine if that has gone into a third set what would you implying apply and then well haven't even got the Dublin. It's seventeen minutes past midnight in Madrid. The doubles plans haven't walked onto the court yet. Yes we would not be talking now David. No we wouldn't so anyway. He got the job done. Didn't a Dow just just to remind on that rib love against Patrick Good match match. Rubella was cramping in that match they played a forty seven stroke rally that the Rab- leverage. Just hammering the ball around and Battista artistric wouldn't let it go and ended up winning the rally. I just think that is a fantastic win. I have never watched about Easter Goo match. In which the now the person did not end up broken I remember the overseas Andy Marijuana at the start of the year Then he backed up by kind of in just outlasting John Millman and now this one I don't quite know how ripple have managed to play through. That crampy looked pretty bad especially on his serve. After he was serving it was really having to shake out his leg and he looked at a lot of pain and yet obviously just throw salt rallies. I'm just going to hit winners in the tie-break break and maybe maybe that tactic worked against about Easter. Go to Tom. Wear him down. Because we're blessed channel. Tim single-minded tactic that he I needed to to adult. Yeah more announcements in the media center drama tennis podcast. You got a little bit of live as well So what else have we had today. We are still waiting for the doubles we. We don't even know if it's nodal dewey in the doubles the last I saw what was it wasn't going to be but to be honest I don't I don't know they you can you can. You're singles players are locked in When you an hour before the Thai stance oh you are allowed to change your doubles line-up so I don't have to be back for another match tomorrow at six? PM So it's it's pretty full on Canada a through. Do they lead the United States. Two Zero just a word on Vasic Pospisil who is paying amazing so Husni I mean he. He got a great win yesterday. Ebbing Fabio Fanini yesterday. And then. He's he's got him Bayton Riot Palca today that that guy was seven foot tall and and seventy missiles as an pospisil is just so athletics so good and Canada radiant. Today's the shape of has matched as well. Yeah Pospisil. His career has been really marred by injury. Hasn't it the when you see him play like he did what he has done this this week. So far you just think Awatif kind of Because he's got a good Cervi steady from the from the baseline and he likes coming forward. I really liked watching in place really really nice style and yet finish up. Valve is in a rich. Vein of form Overstay knocking while beating Bertini yesterday. A now taking Taylor Fritz and other another really good win someone with a kind of similar. Samora ranking Yet looking looking really good Canada. Although say that tie I ended in very wage circumstances in that Canada announced that the doubles would be chef of elegance and O'Reilly rally AC- teaming up kind of seems. I go this Davis Cup finals. And then about fifty minutes later. It was announced that they'd actually forfeited the doubles and USA would be winning six love six love now. The reason being the reason it's been given is because is that the players were deemed to be injured. Three of the four players now must really understand that given the go-to squads and you are allowed to change the lineup Frank anxious basically admitted in his press conference the Canadian captain that they did it to preserve more than anything. He says. They're not quite able to play what they up to their highest level. Because they're tired and they want to save them for the rest of the tournament now. I get that they want to preserve that players but does that not bring this. You know the integrity into question question little bit bearing in mind that doubles the whole point of it is that it counts because sets and games are going to count Italy. Sh- really should be fuming about this because USA get a sixty six on their on their scorecard So I'm just trying to work this out at the moment. Italy the USO S. of both lost their match. Choose to Kinda rory through correct. Does it when Canada. When Italy plays against against the United States? Who goes through is the is the winner of their? It will be well. Whoever wins weren't necessarily go through both if those teams will be playing for one of the two highest ranking loses a sanctuary in the round robin and they they go through to the quarterfinals two the of the teams but that comes down to sets in games and this is going to be a big advantage for the US to have a six love six love on their on that score cold? So I'm a bit bamboozled. Actually it's the why that has been allowed to happen. Why couldn't they figure out out some combination of players that you know at least able to get on cold? Yeah that's that's problematic and We'll we'll we'll have to look at live further into this and ask one or two more questions because that doesn't sound right to me As you say in terms of fans so we'll we'll see where Italy have to say about it tomorrow And also yeah have to ask the question as to what one thing I would say about. This kind of competition is things that are put in place at the outset of something brand new light is probably GONNA have to have tweaks to them because and I think that that to a large awesome has to be expected for instance the fact that it's going on with the doubles this time of night. I mean I know it. Spain I know it's It is the national team and and people are gonNA hopefully stay around and watch this doubles but is ridiculous. Really that twelve thirty in the middle of the night. They're about to start a best of three doubles match. which could end up three thirty in the morning and it could have been worse if data gone into a deciding set? So there's a tweak you know they're probably going to have to bring the start time for it's now they had to do that with the O two arena Seven ten years ago when I started the O.. Two I was. I think it's it's fair to say this because the O.. Two is a tournament the finals that we hold up a great example of a very well run event and and that's what it is but in the first last year people were missing the tube to get home because it was starting to late And people and people were just left stranded having to walk home. This was two thousand nine and we had that situation with qualifying where nobody knew who qualified When Andy Murray was in the group with Martine departure and even Murray was tweeting from home have I qualified enough after the dopamine match and everybody was standing around looking around and I think it changed I I think he? He failed to qualify single game a thing in the end. And you've got Dell poetry who's playing knock-about Out On the court would call us terrorists while they worked it out. I mean it was. It was comedy and yet a year later. They've got they've got got a computer system for it that that just you know a couple of punches of a button sorted it all out you know then we never have that now do we. I mean we know exactly the scenario going into the match is okay. They might be a bit tense trying to work out WHO's qualified and who hasn't You know when you head but usually it's just just written down and everybody knows where they are so these sort of adjustments will need to be made but I suspect that this is one really is going to have to be looked at pretty sharpish rush. Yeah and there's there's an awful lot it will say an awful lot about the competition if they do sputter error and change it that everyone will be able to accept that and as you said first edition not everything is going to be completely smooth. But you know people will be a lot harsher next the if if something like that hasn't been sorted out. You mentioned Australia. That's the one that's sort of kind of passed me by a little bit. I I I saw a few points. Event External Saving victory for them. They were two zero up against Colombia But Nick curious played and when was the last time to curious played a match that we barely even notice happened. I mean that's a measure of how much was going on at the same time but but Yeah he he played he played and when he won and he served well and it passed me by. Yeah it was. It was very strange having Nicaragua. Some Cole no no all the eyeballs on him But the most eye catching School there is that pays and Thompson beat Cabal Farah in the in the doubles so that was a three O.. A three zero victory in the end Australia which you know they play. They play Belgium tomorrow. Which Zhonghua? We'll just pay a straight shootout to see you goes through right now. That'd be very interesting to see. We have earlier in days. Well there was France. What's playing and things did not exactly go? According to plan for them did them there we were talking about who now bath a few days ago looking utterly unbeatable at eighteen cents in a row and suddenly they were right on the brink today went they. Yes I pick them to win the title and and within about half an hour. They're not that we're going to lose to Nishikori less Japan They they did manage to to squeak the win in the end and really before Spain. This was this was the story of the day. The France Japan tie it was on the one hand. Absolutely absolutely everything you would expect from Davis Cup. It was the underdogs punching above their weight. Making really good Mac Chevette and hundred. The percent passion and commitment from the players really good matches and yet on the other hand. There was badly anyone in the stadium. It was was it was really quite a sorry sight to witness the masters in an empty stadium radium And I are St- The French team about this and I said your your last match. Your last Davis Davis Cup match was played in front of Twenty thousand in a football stadium. You walked out and it must have been cool to full if that stadium. Adm to a few hundred people. Did it feel like the same competition even. And how did it fail singing the Marseillaise as I really love answer from Peo- Gabeira. WHO said well? It was nice because it was the first time I was able to hear myself singing. The mouth says yes and I was standing next to Niko as he calls Mo and you know he has a lovely singing voice and I was able to hear him as well and go on his rhythm see was kind kind of making making light of the situation but he was also pointing out something quite profound freely that it was a it was a shame now. The one thing that hasn't changed is how much the French players still love playing for France. You know not sure. They necessarily agree with the format changes. That definitely here to give it an absolute to give their all You know every time. They put on that collars fails special show and no matter atmosphere and stadium. They were mowing airbag words into it as they were winning. HP Finals for the first time. This was a really a big deal for them. And I think from from what. We've gathered Siphon officer. We haven't seen every team just yet but it feels like Belgium old Jim and France all the two teams sense of supporters. That have taken this change the hardest. I mean I know Australia did as a team at the time time. But they're they're and they're playing plan heart and then they give it a chance and as you say all the players the plaza to but but I mean France from what we hear Like Belgium decided we're boycotting this. WE'RE NOT WE'RE GONNA make a stand when not gonna go and I mean my S- Walstein. I think that's a shame but I also do understand it The the they love Davis Cup so much and they put so much into those home ties and they traveled and we saw them in Australia for the Fed Cup. They never turned it down and and they're the ones that find this. The hardest and I really do understand that and I think you know. If that's the stand they WANNA take it has to be respected. I kind of hope that in time when when they when this has had a a year of everybody's throwing the Heart Center it player wise and becomes A. It'll become a better event. You would think when these tweaks and made etc etc that may be the fans will come back into it because I mean for instance. It's not that far to get to for the French and I'm sure they would have a huge following not for the the anger and frustration. NFL So you know. I guess that's a wait and see and maybe they'd let's say we don't feel like that but that's my hope well grows young was was very much urging patients and saying you know we do need to give this event. A chance he was he was not exactly issuing rallying cry for the French fans but he was saying look. I understand your frustration. But we need you you you know we are giving our rule haven we you know we really would like to have more of you here. It was pretty jarring to see you know not many French fans in a stadium even though they share a border with the country this event being in and a not many Japanese fans but many more than there were fans in that in that stadium But yeah you're definitely right about certain countries have given this format MC change more criticism than others. There's been a lot of intrigue and curiosity from all sides and for some that's come out as excitement. mm-hmm really excited about these new changes I think think the US quite excited about about the new format I'm for others. It's coming out as criticism and scepticism. This is amendment that is certainly the case with countries. That have a Davis Cup tradition light Belgium and France and it comes. It comes from that tradition that they've I've had but I do think rose you're spoke. Well when he said you know we're prepared to give this a chance and I think I think that's a good message to be sending. Yeah yeah actually. Great Britain were in press conference today. Went and the whole team as well as Leon Smith Andy Murray I head. Ed speak in a similar way to how did a couple of days ago but he elaborated a bit. Didn't and and yeah. He feels quite quite adamant rated a little bit like grow Asia that give it a give it a shot so I mean the British team are expected to have pretty decent backing tomorrow. Yes they are that I think I think stadium three which is where Within the playing against Holland will be pretty much full and it will be mainly British support. Yes I found out in that press conference is that I am frozen illiterate given that the TV players were were dropping in lines from frozen. And I I thought something was up when Carl Edmund when Carl Lebanon said fair is our enemy and Dan Evans was trying his best not to burst into laughter. But I'll be honest. I thought I thought Edmund was just misquoting the famous Roosevelt's we have nothing the only thing we have to face itself. I thought he's just slightly got that wrong but then it turns out Mary was talking about let it go and someone called on that they were. They were dropping in these frozen references. which I I have a bit of fun but I think that jokes a little bell now? Yeah Well Pick Matt. I know that's I know that song of Bihar. You'd like rendition. I'm here well your your picture on our. ITN's suggests that you might be able to sing it. Yes if you haven't seen the gun of a look at the apple podcast APP. Uh when she updated to the new system which I did today because I wonder why people kept sending me pictures of my name on the on the APP with a completely completely different black who is about twenty five years younger than me singing in a what looks like in a band and looks really cool and has zero gray hair and I was. I mean I've been trying desperately to to to convince people that it is me But ought I've had to admit defeat so I'm needing to get it changed anyway. I wonder who he is. Hello David Laura. I wonder I wonder if on his podcast. Your face appears probably we've had we've had we've had a law swap. Yeah it's terrible mix up. I hope he's name. Is David Law. That would be great music. I know another one whose gopher and he's my favorite Gulf. Yeah so anyway that did you tonight. So what time to Great Britain play tomorrow. That's at eleven local time isn't it. That's that's at eleven yet The other is all Serbia Japan Novak Djokovic. She's debut and Argentina Germany you and then in the evening Cratia Spain. US Italy and Belgium. Australia I'm missing any other matches from today. The other results the Kazakhstan Holland which does put a little bit of pressure on GB. To make sure that they do beat Holland tomorrow you surprisingly Holland lost the doubles. Even though they've kind of got a really strong sat doubles players and Argentina beats chilly in in the first match on the main stadium. Way Wasn't wasn't full but aplenty of noise. because there's such passionate sets of fans and there's a lot of a lot of them living in Madrid. I think it's interesting how that works. Isn't it because yesterday there was a there was a tie which had a lot of people in but I didn't hear an awful lot of noise and and then this one I watched quite a bit of one of the match. She's in Chile against Argentina. And I thought crikey that sounds well. That sounds like Davis Cup and then it depend depend around and actually was. They were not that many people but they were making a right Al Din and you know that's what you want isn't it as and as you say. The small stadium would be more beneficial for for a match light that particular one. Yeah well Diego Schwartzman said it was one of the best matches he's ever played in his career which I can neither confirm nor deny having more tension was elsewhere when he was playing. But I but Nicholas Jerry lost virtually and I looked up his record. He has not won a match. Nicholas Jerry since July when he when he won the title in Bullsh- that is that how you say it that's right. He won the tie it. So he's not Wanna Mac. Since which is pretty alarming you know twenty eighteen gene Leiva Cop Nicholas January and he can't even win a match okay. Porthole Nicholas Not Thohari not to worry. Okay well the news. Everybody's all been waiting for is I've been looking up clutch from yesterday Yes and you know. It's absolutely vital that we we we try to work out. Whether it is actually a word that should be that is befitting fitting the the tennis podcast And I've been looking at So his a few definitions dictionary DOT COM uh-huh says clutch means to grip or hold tightly or firmly definition. That's not the one you had in mind. No trying to the dictionary right okay. I've got the Oxford English dictionary here. And this one says it's under the several we'll definitely proper ones. And then there's another one that says North American English referring to or performing as an important moment that will decide the result ultimate game or competition. That's the one I've also consulted the ebon dictionary. Obviously and it says to perform into pressure. Yes and we like this David. Well this one's got this one's got four thousand five hundred thumbs up in two thousand and nine thousand nine thumbs down so that's a win. It even one blow volt. I was GONNA say I've I've also oversee gun to the the authority. That is Paul Volts on twitter at tennis. podcast where last your opinions. And I think it's about seventy percent in favor. Yes at the moment at the moment I asked twitter and I think the I I said. Is it an acceptable term. I think the first response I got was yes and the second was no and I was thinking. Thanks twitter helpful as always you know I was calling joining some of the responses One or two people just saying yes. It is a word but up but I I hate hearing every time and somebody actually wrote. I listen to your pod podcast rich Britishness I do not want to hear that. Yes I stand by as a legitimate term but I can see that. It's maybe not a tennis podcast term. So I will. I will try to reign it. You know well no Ma you've got seventy percent of the listenership on your side at the moment. Sadly um so I think we have to let it go We would ask Katherine Wichita. But she's not here tonight She's been waylaid elsewhere however she has just been in touch so we know she's okay say And and it's important that the the that she is because tomorrow I need to tell her about something vern Jones's sent me. He said WHO needs Davis Cup. The cheese he's World Cup is in on in France. At the moment Oh my goodness Katherine Katherine secretly been doing yeah. I think so confusing. It's on twitter and somebody. I mean this is. This is the ultimate tennis podcast feature. Somebody is running a pole vault competition competition World Cup rating cheese against another cheek so rockfall be term Cam. Umberto sixty forty tonight all right. This sounds like the French equivalent of what Richard Osmond does on twitter with his world cups of crisps and sweets and films and things. That's a great idea. You give me another face right in. La well done Okay well look I would say I go to bed but Douglas hasn't his doubles. She goes on court yet US shortly it must've done by it. Has Why is earsplitting showing it. Your should still sharing Colombiere against Australia. Obama in the doubles What it is it is I can live score Sindbad of date? It is to all fifteen forty the Spaniards which is good and Lopez with two breakpoints. Okay Okay Right Oh so very interesting. Okay okay well that's GONNA be That's going to be some that. We update you on tomorrow along with their other match here on the tennis. podcast how you enjoyed it And Matt GonNa don't get beds that when you can And we'll see you again in about eight hours you'll be there again And this has been the tennis. PODCAST brought you in association with the Telegraph executive produced by tennis balls DOT COM with our mascot Rio with a y yet. We'll be back every day of the Davis Cup finals by records. And if you want to go to the Davis Cup by the way we still got fifteen percent off code if you go to Davis Cup finals dot com put in the code. 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Karen Weir

"Hello there welcome to run poured. I'm jedi falkiner here with you. Perhaps keeping you company on training run for one of the many races coming up. I am intriguing myself for some races. I've signed up to two merson's this year and a fool hours in october and so with that in mind i am one of many if been thinking of their weekly running schedule and for this well. I've recruited the help of someone who actually helped me get my mouth. Pb which was a while ago. Two thousand ten. She's an incredible run coach and she is going to offer you advice today at. Please welcome to run poet karen. We're by jenny hallelujah. I'm really well. Thank you and you'll be pleased to know. I'm still on track with the program. You've given me and i have done my run this morning. That's i was gonna ask you how that was going but that's better do it. Because otherwise it might be in trouble at the star of the podcast and that wouldn't be a good start. No and karen. And i first met at like maybe go twelve thirteen years ago or something like that. Certainly like a different a different toy goal. And i came to you when you were a trainer. A personal trainer. Matt roberts jim and and then i discovered that you are a brilliant running as well is. Is that how you got into this. I knew that you actually you. You had a completely different introduction into the world of fitness. Yes i did. Many many moons ago. I had a different career entirely. I worked in the city of london. I was a management consultant. And then if you remember the the the major global crash but in two thousand the night. I was made redundant from that and i decided it was a great opportunity to do something completely different. And that she interested in so i Did my personal training qualifications with At the time and then began working in his chelsea. Jim i was already run then very much. A recreational novice runner. And i was doing some volunteer coaching at my my running cop down in richmond. Run harris you ashley we should. We should let know this. You were one. That's the original park runners as well aren't he. I have that great privilege a serendipitous accident in the right place. At the right time. I was Frightened of putin here and he said. I'm doing this come along so sassy invest turned up on that fateful day back in october. Two thousand and four and i am now forever apart reply Seizing a great privilege to be. That stayed involved so i still volunteer. Now i live up. In the peak district ambassador Support astronaut lacoste number of events in the sheffield area. Do you think like me. I think since that of time since maybe two thousand four two thousand and five. I think more and more people running i mean maybe it's just because i love running so much more and i. I think i see more runners to you. I think definitely i mean. There was a time when you could enter the london marathon and just get in pretty much. There was the times. I don't know when you first did it. But they she's been magazine. Came out and you ended in the august for the following year. And you hardly likely to get in. I mean now is. Many many listeners will know it's practically impossible to get in through the ballots. There are many people that tried united even nine ten times Gossen so. I think that shows that there's a massive or has been over the past ten to fifteen years massive growth in in recreational runners and another endurance sports as well. I think we see runners because we run but Triathlons cyclists Promoter swimming massively grown recently as well. You're into quite a low of these as well. I mean you have done some mega challenges. If way to hear what parents don't you will be in oak on. Start really the more you might as well in comparison to what a lotta people done you know. It's it's not crazy. But i have done. I'm on Which is american at the end of the manning three forty seven which is probably one of my best judgement so amazing so that softer having some three point. Eight coloma citizen On cycle hundred ninety kilometers. I somehow managed to squeeze out sub four hour marathon which was really happy about a done comb rates which is in south africa which was an amazing experience this historic race. That's like fifty plus miles through the hill just over just over double marathon Double marathon so it will on on road which turns of ultra runs off. But it's more for the experience in south. Africa is very historic race of one hundred years old. Now it supported the whole way televised A twelve hour. Which i think. A lot of people choon into watch. Because it's heartbreaking literally blade. Blow the store at twelve hours. If you haven't i the line you haven't finished and you could be fifty odds away and you don't finish you. Don't get a medal and just june into see the hulk break at the end. That is so nasty. Yeah but it's to the history and the great the great Bruce ford dis is won it so many times at undone in so five and a half hours which is unfathomable to me. He's also right both in pot run in south africa. So i've got to meet him not yeah. Comrades comrades should be on people's bucket list. It says it's amazing amazing race today and so you. Have you know you have your running experience. You're definitely qualified. Although interestingly when we were chatting the other day you were saying that your attitude to running has actually changed in recent years. I i honestly love to what you said because you said that now instead of chasing a pb you just wanna make sure you enjoy running. Yeah it's an. I might experience working with many recreational runners and is the people. Do go through a journey. So you Stopped for whatever. Reason you're running. And i i was the same. You saw achieving. Because it's new to you and you get false whatever however you are you will improve initially and then it's very easy these days to get caught often. I cool the obsession with running. It can easily become an obsession that lord of pressure social media straw vo these things. Now they dry omarosa compulsion in people and people you know they get worried. If they haven't looked at ron or run hasn't been false. Noth- what will other people saying connecticut looking for q likes and all these kinds of things very quickly for other people. It doesn't move from something that they did for The challenge the enjoyment to something that they feel compelled to do. I know i definitely went through that. I also got to the stage. Where whatever i was doing was was not enough. Fight around my first meyerson night. He was like what. What can i do next. It's foster will will crazier. And then i got into triathlon. What my way out through the distance is a man and then doing motor running. And it was actually only when i stopped at. She got got engine to stalk. And so why. Am i doing this. That realize the love the love for it. The simplicity the purity of running. Is you know what. I what i love about it. That will go and it was. It was chasing things that didn't didn't matter so one of the biggest learning things for me was i actually. It was my third attempt to nine man so i completed to And i was on my third one. And i go. Dna did not finish. Because i actually had a stomach bug. And i didn't realize that i had it when i started so i did swim. I did the bike while. I was really struggling on the bike. I didn't have any energy. I was fully usual. Nutrition strategy That really didn't work. I just felt really lebanon energy. Got off the bike started. The run Did a half marathon of the marathon distance. And i was just feeding rubbish. I am couldn't take on nutrition. Got to the half marathon point which was kinda back in the race village and just walked off the course. I just can't do this. And there was none of that usual. Sort of a new head discussion mountain a man get on with it. You know just suck it up type thing it was. It was just just had to stop an unknown behold then spent the next twenty four hours quite a while and i had a stomach bug that dna taught me a loss in the world didn't come to an end. The i hadn finished his mind United was a few few supported While dynamo did you couldn't help it and all this of stuff but they didn't come to an end and actually i learned a lot from that amazing that become the most important thing to us at that time. Actually they don't really matter. You know being healthy having having your house and being able to run when you want to enjoy it not pushing yourself into injury an analysis or those things really came to the full for man. I radio understood it. And i try and help. My athletes go through would not go through. That advised them against those kinds of situations. But what i do see is that people need to go through it for themselves Sadly the you need to come out the other side of the obsession and it does often mean that something has to go wrong A big event. You don't finish all Sadly sometimes even an injury that that stops training for a period of time. So that when you do come back you chew while. I just appreciate the i can run again so i think that that is a price. I also think it comes with age because obviously we started working together. And i like wisdom comes with that and it's more about going out and running and just enjoying it. You knew that such a great great point. I think that people forget that. They're running because they love it and suddenly they're running because they're competing with other people and some all right. I think if you're competing against yourself and you really want to improve and you want to get p. b. and you're striving as you say for for you know the best you can be but unfortunately sometimes the joy is so tight of it because all you can see is beating other people. Yeah yeah all guessing something. That doesn't that doesn't really matter this idea on. I'm saying strava but there are other other apps out there that do it but guessing guessing acknowledgement from people. You know you see people posting some crazy things and people giving crazy things in terms of. They've just walked down to the really shop and someone gives them kudos. I don't think it's helpful. And i think i think people need to look their use of these kind of things but ultimately a do you run it. Should it should enhance your life. Not be a stress in your life and the way to to avoid becoming stress in the life in your life is to switch off from some of these things but also just wake up. They feel like running today Yes you might do know. It might be raining all you're tired but it's it's actually listening to to your body listening to how you already fading and not having this potion that you have to do something now. What if you're training for an event that raw days where you just didn't feel a bit man i need i don't want to go out. And then then yes you do have to make the effort but it's having a breadth of experience in when that's when that's a good effort to my eight when it's good to do that a. wenatchee it's detrimental to your whole your whole life style because people don't really understand the impact in particular recreational runners. Most of them holding down fulltime jobs. That cares i. The children will pass over to parents or or just other family members that tried to do one hundred one things that traveling all these things. Impact your ability to train. Well if you've had a shocking day at work you're really tired. You know you've got to take the dog to the vet. Annual training program says go out and do a coolest he session which involves hard intervals. The worst thing you could do is gonna do that because you won't put quality into what you need to do is either go out for an easy gentle ron or even just go out for or even just go. You know what. I really need to boston bed because actually in the longer term that will help you perform better in your training units. Really good advice because so many people feel guilt out missing run. That's isn't it ridiculous that sometimes you'll go. I can't run stable half to have to feel. I feel terrible if i do. Yeah or when they shoot who in and try and squeeze in so you end up dead instead of having rest day later in the week maybe doing three runs in a row or something and then you get injured because your body's just not able to tolerate that amounts of low davis such a short period of time so ultimately don't beat yourself up if you can't go today just you enjoy the relaxing kind of alternative. Go out the next minute you can. I suppose is it. Just go back to the program and just missed that session. Is that what you should too. Yeah very much. When if you're working to a program you know an session has been missed. I very much encourage my athletes. I worked with to not be a slave to their program and to actually say a well that was may be understand. Why it was missed. Stood a little bit of reflection. I missed it well Because i suddenly had a really busy day at work or whatever orange juice so tired i couldn't face going out but not trying to win in an screw up the rest of the plan because she you want to make sure. If you've got the coaches rising your plan that the sessions will have different objectives will be easy sessions overhauled sessions. Hopefully you a good coach. Actually most of the sessions will be easier job. I ninety smooth percentage will be released hard sessions times of intensity. But you don't want us to screw up that over program You just skip the one that you've missed them. Pick out the program when you can Consistency is k. No single session is more important than if you've got say sixteen week program or an eight week program. Whatever it is do you can hit. Eighty percent of those sessions consistently. You're going to be fall being far. Better state fitter healthy. Ah come race day than if you shoehorned several sessions into the last couple of weeks. Because you've missed. Many great advice there will look sense. We're talking about training plans. I might as well ask you a few questions apart. Them since you. You're you're very good outlet. You've written a training plan as well. How important are trading plans. I think for recreational runners. They are important at certain times. So if you have an event that you training that you want to be tickly. Hvac for than i think they are essential actually and they should give you a good balance. So most recreational runners do too many miles at a medium pace which is not useful. It fatigues you but doesn't give you the adaptations over longterm to get faster and faster so what we what we should see in a training program is an eye so the fuller the philosophy of polarization where you do most of your training. I didn't easy comfortable pace on a very small amount. Sometimes as it was five percent of your title volume will be false. But it's hard you what you want to do is the stuff should be false. The slightest shot stuff should be slow conversational pace greeley easy. We need to get away from jerusalem the junk malls in the middle of where we do so that this medium kind of effort that it adds fatigue but doesn't say doesn't help necessarily improve your strength. Your muscular endurance. Oil will be a two match all the things that we're looking to to improve with different talk. Sessions would which would be in a program so recreational run as a tourist for this. They just go out. Run a fine if we come back to running full health than just going out and running is fine. But if you're training for invent or you want to get better than you do need to be a bit more scientific about and than the training program will come into play. You know the Them a couple of times. I've i've trained for some races. And i've just run a few times a week and i've probably done the same re- same run. Maybe just gone a bit longer one day and actually i haven't gone go faster. I haven't got fitter. I've struggled and actually had to start walking quite low and i couldn't. I couldn't understand why i was going. I five times a week. Sometimes sakes getting worse. But actually what you've highlighted to me as well you said you know five or six times a week is too much you. You need to quit that. No no you definitely so again. It depends on the level that your your competing at a elite athletes will obviously run every day or they will have rest days and sometimes they'll run twice a day you know and that will be good club runners that that might Six or seven times ever over week but with still with arrest day but for most recreational runners who are looking to get better have jobs have caring responsibilities. These kinda things may wanna do a bit of strength. Where maybe i know you like playing. Go as well jenny. Maybe doing a bit of at four runs a week is enough and then if we start talking about owed athlete so i'm putting myself an yourself in that foresee does that mean. We're old for over four old. Where we're masters masters athletes jenner. Okay go with a yet so we need to make sure we includes strength training so especially women it become so important as we get premenopausal who Stop fluctuating our ability to create a maintain muscle mass is massively diminished. So strength training is essential and as essential. Can't get the adaptation. We're looking for bill that strength from running alone so i'm afraid it's time to embrace the waves and getting the gym. So if you're doing that as well for runs to strength sessions. A week is what i would recommend. How do we change when we get to forty and beyond. I mean some women. Sophie ray worth less mcandrew. They're just getting fitter and louise minchin fainter and faster and you know it's almost like they're stronger. Light their power. They get older. And how do we change as we get by each will. The big issue is with perryman applause. Wish can stall from unfortunately from late thirties for some people but Menopause usually as happens around fifty fifty one fifty two from ten years before that we start getting fluctuations in all in a whole an eastern is the is the big ones. Estrogen is great for us as women. it's protective on a number of ways it's It helps us build. Muscle mass gives that at that impetus How Inflammation or these kind of things that really good That starts fluctuating in different ways. And eventually we lose it and it's so important that we understand that We can do things to help that now. Lie in anything in life there out lie so there will be some. Some women appear to absolute derived with making no changes. But what. I hear more often than not and i do. What with lots of women over forty is that things they used today. The diet they were following the training they were doing. It's not working anymore than putting on ways that getting aches and pains That not getting faster and the the big problem with that is often that we what we do or what they do. is we start cussing calories. Because we think that's going to help snooze way retrain more and it becomes Horrendous vicious cycle of where we are actually breaking the body down. We need to just go right there ways now. The things that i need to do differently. Now you need to focus on your protein intake and making sure it's it's a good quality on high pricing tight much higher than you are often be towed by i'm Excising women even up to two grams per kilogram of body weight. I mean tons of proteins. Back that is law which does mean for another active women you might need to supplement with protein shakes and that might be necessary. So proteins important the strength impetus so lifting heavy weight. It's not your your. You're balancing basically bull during bicycles. Type thing it it you need to be actual saying dead lifting moving heavy objects to really get the stimulus into the into the muscles to to just stand still even without trying to get get stronger. It's just to stop was losing what we've already go. You also need to make look at the stress in your life and unfortunately once we so they get to that forty in conjunction with united rentals taking a it can be a stress repairs for the people managing or caring for aging parents. Still got kids at home. Kids guy into university is a whole lot going on working long hours and just stressing body. So another woman whom i in cortisol can be massively chronically elevated in women a name we do more training and the training impetus raises cortisol as well so that encourages fat storage and all these kinds of things so it is a really good time to just take check of your life and try and get much more balance you need your yes. You need your running. Yes you need your endurance. Yes you need your trying but you don't need as much as you think. Women particularly predisposed to endurance aware. Better osset than than men wandered. Say of less training. But we do need to sure we manage your cortisol levels trying to get them to come down. Good sleep time for yourself. Time to relax as well as you know the training and the strength training but less lexi's more quality over quantity and looking at your whole lifestyle. And i say you're investing in your in your future rather than you know your future health rather than sort of morning or or using something that you had before we can still keep guessing bid but you just need to approach in different ways. Yeah is is it too late to start doing running and weights. If you've never done it before and you get to. That never never never never too late. I mean you want you. You won't be care. It's everything we get really excited and we throw ourselves into things and then we get injured so it is take advice it. Is you know speech someone who is used to working with women over forty That understands there are plenty of united. Great male and female train is out at. That can do that. And you need to build out slowly soaks away. The i might be able to move is certainly not a way the Beginning of could install with but an the other great thing about you. Start these new things and you get besser. So you're running. Times might be going downhill slightly. And you're more interested in age grading the natural absolute numbers with you running. I mean certainly minded minus long-gone. Times never gonna get. Pb's again but with the weightlifting. the i'm doing. I'm still getting better. I'm still progressing. And that gives me that. Little buzz used to get when i saw that running oldest that you're saying though it made me wonder if Girls have it bad. Doumen ever get affected when they turn forty two he gets. It is a struggle for them. Yeah they do. It is a but unfortunately the research that is generally don around fort signs for many. Many many years has not considered the female population. Atoll in fact we're often written off when it comes to research because we're too complicated because of the fact that we have menstrual cycles so it's hard to control floors so that's being lawsuit research that don on his then you know Interpreted in mainstream media and an even run his magazines and things like that. But when you look at the underlying population that was involved in the studies. It's often men often college age men khazar easy to recruit and some loudly nutritional stuff so it gets reported on is actually pre diabetic men. So a lot of the stuff around fasting and that kind of thing is you know. It's not also doesn't apply to women we need. We need carbohydrates to fuel. Ask if we don't then Levels res and we get the facts storage and all these other things just talked about so it is favorite cafe. What your age Look at the population that that was in involved in the experiments. If you can understand you'll find that it didn't even look women. An physiology is different so it's important to take everything with a pinch of salt and the other thing as well to say even that even as women win one homogeneous greek poet. What works for one woman won't work for another woman is so it's very much an experiment. One when you try. Something and good coaches will work with you as an individual. And that's that's another reason to what the coach as opposed to just download. The training program from the internet was something which esteems you all alike every other pass. That's gonna use that program. Where is a coach that rights and individual program. They will speak to you and they will understand what works for you what we tried in the past. What's your injury history. What time do you have available to try and to the other commitments. You have other sports. You do all these kind of things which would mean that. That person for is very different. From what another person is an. Can i ask you know when you do a training plan of any sort. And whether it's for ten k. For half marathon or from our there are different types of runs you should within the week or within the program create talk through the different types of run so it's not just go on run five miles every other day. It's it's much more structured than that. Yeah it should be again. If you want to improve and just having said that jenny you cannot be on a training program or year long and this is. This is the other thing that often recreational runners do. They don't have the period the down time that just running for fun so solar program for your event Might be sixteen weeks for athen and then stop the structure training and just do running for fun because she knew that period of time after the race. When you're running for fun. I mean you feel great because you feel really your fittest and every time i've run a marathon and it's been really hard the next day i've wished the marathon. Was this coming weekend you from like. I think i'd smash if we can but actually that period then when do of anything to train for. I'm just running for fun and is just the moose joyous running you can do it. The guys that way people get some so the mini depression date mean that so the medically but they you know you get the post meyerson blues where you do feel very fit. But that window straight off the meyerson. You'll bodies so fatigue so tired that is window where you will do yourself massive injury so there is a badge volna the i hate the saints down at running clubs though people will do that. That that meyerson on on sunday and then they'll be at the club training session on tuesday. Look at me over in the marisa. Now i'm his train on. It's so risky so risky. So don't do that but to come back to the question about the types of running in a training program. So as i said i do subscribe to polarize philosophy which means you do fos running late running in. Stay away from this of gray area in the middle but you all looking at so the meantime volume around about eighty percent. Ac two ninety percent of what you're doing in total and that total will be different for the event you're doing just you'll running lifestyle about eighty to ninety percent. It should be easy running. And by that i mean conversational pace so really comfortable Very manageable almost. You could finish every ron and saying you know i could just keep going. I just need to stop now because of both got and do something else. A then you have the the false training which would be short towards maybe longer into quality session. It might be a it could be. If you are caught reiner and you decide. You gonna talk a false five k. That would be your coolest sessions for the week. So five percent. Five ten absolute maximum fifteen percent of your total volume should be that really hard false running and the gay and what often we see often. I see recreation run. This as more often than not with men is they. Don't do the easy running. They never do easy running. They do hard running. They don't even sit in the gray area in the middle. Just go out and beasts themselves. And that's no good either. Get get very fatigued again. Not gonna perform to the level. They need to uneven. When you say. Ron slowly they don't run slowly enough now. This this is universal. This is women are men are generally say when i say conversational pace run easy. No-one is running easy. No one is running at conversational patriot. Really everyone thinks they run slough. They're they're walking you to your lake ad. I'm i'm running too slowly. But that's that's okay you get you get elite athletes that can run four minute miles or comfortably fireman and miles and they will do some of that running eight minute mark. Don't be afraid to adorn a couple of to your your pace per mile in anything. You know achieving anything. You're saving grace is if things when you run really comfortably you teach your body to metabolize more fast to be more efficient metabolising fat. So that you could prolong your call up a hydrate stores for longer at any one time. When you're running you are metabolising fan and hydrate doors but if we could train the bodies be more efficient Using the facts tools carbohydrate is stored in the muscle as glycogen liver that who lost a little bit longer but of course when you are doing longer longer runs you still need to take in some form of of carbohydrates how replenish stores but it also intend to stress on the body. It's much much lower so you can get away with doing more volume assamese year intensity so so that that is important but as soon as you off going slow enough for those easy wrongs in the heart rate is a little bit too high and perhaps even approaching the level where you start building up to cast is a product than than you not. You're just adding fatigue without guessing a useful adaptation from that session. I'm just thinking of some of the sessions that you've encouraged me to do and there's one that you've determined to do which is a fifty minute easy run. That does not mean. Is that slow chatty yet. Okay right and I might not be mass. Loathing should have been a bit slower. But then within that i had to eight thirty minute fast runs eight thirty seconds. Eight thirty eight thirty second facts onto that would have been a bit. Loved me an excessive so and you said to do them randomly. Now i actually. I thought going to be so hard. But actually i really enjoyed it because i found that the i i do is thirty. Seconds for me is me counting to fifty. Every right pacers one a two. I o was what i run but it's fifty paces so it was actually quite easy to do. Every time i go to a long straight stretch. I'd go right to it here and then back to easy running which really helps you recover. And then when. I was ready to do again so i was doing them. I did like to back to. And then i'd have like five minutes and then do it again. I really enjoyed it. And i felt good. I didn't i didn't break dote didn't break down to a wall just kept going and i can. I can notice a difference. Do these different style sessions and also is more interesting. Yeah absolutely love. That you've just said mentioned that session so there's another. There's another school of thought. I've been studying so i'm doing a masters in coaching as well at the moment. Which absolutely loving. But this is a whole philosophy. I'm sort of embracing around the unstructured speeds work where the idea is the old fashioned way of doing speedwork where you might do ten times. Two minutes with with a woman into a full recovery It's very restrictive and athletes rival to almost anticipate and control and therefore potentially restrict the effort. They put into that. Whereas if you take back control the way you give people free flow to literally run how they fail you. Cannot she performed. Besser so i love that you just said that you went into nudity says seconds iran each thirty second when you felt ready for it. So i guarantee that you ryan probably the if i if i'd say eight times thirty seconds one minute recovery in between you would possibly go board. Which would have impacted your birth hold the pace which would have or you analyzing that. You weren't running fast enough. When you were dot would demoralized. They saw the free full. Your the one in control you put in the best speed when you want. All i've done is i do is to them on each visa seconds but do whenever is is brilliant and that's part of this new way of working. I'm exploring a bit. So i love that. You've enjoyed that you know i really enjoyed it. And then and then. I had to do a five k. The other day where. I had to increase speed for every kilometer and i love. That's something i always really enjoyed doing. And so i did. I did on the treadmill which It was buckling outside so i went to the gym. Did it on the treadmill. And i felt really really good because i could visibly see the. I was going faster. Recession every kilometer as well i would find it hard to monitor as much But at least on a treadmill i felt completely in control of the speeds and enjoyed again and again with that one. So that's the progression. Which is a fatty cossack session but It teaches much better pacing races as well so You know when when we signed on the start line with full of adrenaline and usually people go out to false and they think that you combined you think you combined time so when you get tired later. I'm racing doesn't really happen like that. You need to have your own strategy but by doing these these progression runs. I mean it's a good training affect but will so it really helps give the athlete confidence that if you start a little bit easier. You can keep progressing unfinished strong. Of course there are times where people day start out too fast and call complete session or the last kilometer united drops off when they really struggle with but that in itself is a good learning. A point is too fast start tax. I know say again. If i said if it's a great session for days that you not feeling quite so say good and it can be adapted in that way if you will if you are having a really great day but loads of energy slept while you've eaten while you can start to foster really challenged yourself and say you know how so you can get at the end but says if you're feeling rubbish you haven't slept you not eating. Well you saw. You may even do the. I walk and then gradually build so it gain. It's one that you should. You should do very much on how you feel on that day. Give yourself permission to. If it doesn't feel great you don't stop Or you don't progress quickly. Instead of doing fifteen seconds per kilometer each time faster it might only be five or but they don't need to be equal either. It can be just however you fail as long as you are. Gradually getting false. Three that run. I find it really interesting as well. You said you could actually get a pb introducing walking because a lot of people think there's a shame in this slowing down to a walk but there's no there's no toll whereas no a tower invasive. This is one of my soapbox things that i love to talk about because there is no shame in walking. You are still self propelling yourself. And most people most recreational runners in a marathon or long distance event will at some stage. So why not walk according to your schedule than raw than when you're forced to walk because you're tired so i actually ran my mouth p. Bay as a run walk. I run four and a half minutes. Watch thirty seconds throughout. That's good discipline that you stop to that contained yourself and remembered as the discipline but also it distracts you so i run five k to start with so i run about twenty five minutes to start with just get warmed up and get in into the into the swing of things and then as my wash onto that twenty five is really easy to monitor so twenty nine and a half minutes i to stop to walk for thirty seconds. I'm what you find. Is that your laps. Time per mile doesn't really come down. It might come down a little bit but that's not completely overruled. By fact that you can finish much stronger and you don't drop off the pace because when he changed from a walk to run run to a walk. The muscle patton usage is slightly different so the fatigue the constant pounding that would build up. If you were just running. Non stop isn't there and it's it is it does take discipline because clearly on an event you will come to your walking everyone around jobe. Be no come on keep going. You can do a new kind of muttering under your breath. This is what i'm planning to do. You know this race meeting and you walk. And then you'll live tight that people again when you will ever take you a guy but eventually when i did it you know i just stopped saying these people. Eventually i ran away from them because they slowed whereas i was consistent with my pace. They're out. Because i could maintain it so i do recommend It's not for everyone because you do have to have the mental discipline to do it but if you want to try something different if you know pat shoes you've got a nigga. Oh your you're not faces you like to be. This is a really good strategy. It's actually it's come from a guy. I'm jeff galloway in state is where he's a coach out there and i read bass a long time ago and thought that makes that makes so much sense And you know you do it in you training. It means you have focus on four and a half minutes a time but that was my chosen ratio. You do different. You can do whatever ratio you lie. You could do nine minutes to one minute walking but for me. I just found that fashion seconds was heart. Rate didn't come down too much just enough to give me a break An idea coach other people to to use message. Say you could do whatever ratio works for you. These brilliant tips. I mean obviously we are no you know in the summer early summer. Ultimate quite a few marathons i mean. There's there's races all year but a lot of people have embarked on that sixty week training plan already. And what are the tips you have if you if you for just sticking to the program. I mean for just sticking to the plan a no kind of came board and not being distracted and not being put off by the rain. Is there any secret tip. The huge really recommend. There's reason a secret magically. I should say to any of this. You have to think about your motivations and how realistic you'll proposed plan is and that's why scale scaling back bay consistent at three runs away if you know. That's realistically what you can do. Roth the van. Say yes indy. Five runs away can do that for the first four weeks and then you drop down to two or one runaway. Whatever so you know be realistic about what will fit into your life. Baby realistic about what is happening in your life at that. Stage don't embark on meyerson. If you ought moving house guessing married getting divorced divorced any major life incident going on because it needs to be your priority and that's also why you need time box your training program. It needs to take your take your focus. Be your priority full that that block of time and if you're trying to do a number of other things than that that's not ideal and you're gonna find it really hard is gonna just at your general stress load remember. Training is a stress. We think of is being a good stress. And if it's the right level for you then is a good stress but if it's adding to becoming burdensome then it's not something that you want to you want to be about doing sabet on honest is the right time to be doing it as you say. Their masters are racist different things throughout the year. Leave it till next year. Leave it to for something sure to that. You know you can fit in eight weeks. You could train for ten night weeks where to give some good focus so think about that but also remember why you're doing it and if you're doing it for the love of it if you're doing it full because it's a an event you've always wanted to do maybe choose to go abroad and do you know big city myerson or You know just some way. You've always wanted to go for the the general experience. Have something more than just taking a ticking. A box as motivation. Such a good point is there's nothing wrong with doing something shorter and also. There's nothing wrong with just going running for fun as we've said on. I think that's a lot of people put pressure on themselves because they feel obliged to do a race because it's whatever analysis doing but you've just got to think what what would work for you. What would you enjoy the most definitely and for some people another thing that's been revolutionary for may is moving up north. No that's not what everyone can do. But you know get off the roads guests on the trails Gasoline fellows if that if that you know if you can get to them experience nature. The great outdoors Racism are on trial are lots of events afoul races so racist tend to be five to seven pounds to enter. You don't have to book in advance. You took twelve z coach. Change things a little bit But you know usually turn off of an evening. You run your your your rice. The you know that they can be three miles. That can be six miles. I mean that hard running but no one no one will judge on your time will know even measure that currently a united states with these trail races. Just do something do something different If you've had enough or you don't get the enjoyment. Asser the road running. I mean obviously down down where you all Win wooden pau richmond park and gets off the trails around the outside where everybody else is going across the middle gigabit monte. Doesn't master time time time in nature that's that becomes more important element. You still organizing all your amazing running holidays yes Unfortunately everything was cancelled last year. So they just being carried over. So i do. I do both in the peak district. This year of one in september which i do the good friend of mine. 'cause we combine it with yoga so goal trial running on yoga retreat In november with another running weekend up here and exciting to really people are the new trial running. Just don't have the confidence Two guys just get off the riott goff. In the hill in we walk the hills are promise in only the very very told in the fell. Runners will run up some of these hills. We woke the hills. We stopped retired fighters. It's about it's about enjoying it says perfect. It sounds great and looks. Thank you so much for coming on the so much advice before i let you go. I have to do the run port. Quick fire round which is facing at first up which trainers you running karen security. And all of my go-to trainers and what's your favorite time of day. To run warning really wiser gets it done. It's quieter less likely to find things to distract you from doing it so now it is up to sign up for running in the morning until this evening. You haven't you've distract isn't very very much. He's very easy. It's very easy to be distracted and not not do it. So yeah get it done in the morning. And i knew even some incredible places in the world. Where's your favorite place to them. Hard one and i like to give a vote to spain from our thin. So in terms of my favorite marathons. Happiness barcelona and seville so they Spain seems to put on great maratha. If you want to travel but in terms of just running somewhere lovely i'll have to say the peak district that there is some beautiful trials and stuff pan am what makes beans so good for marathe. They seem to have rating noise atmosphere. They're a good size about ten thousand people. So as you well know london. So decec- five plus which is just too busy for me personally but ten thousand is a nice number in those were around not number on the taqwa softwoods and a little bit to call to set it up right. That always helps as well. I was surprised. And when do you get a runner's high. When i have had a great run in the in the trials so you get off a big hill. Stunning views is stop. Any type pitches atlantic. Nice descend. i mean there's nothing there's nothing better is nothing better than that and finally last question. Why do you love running. I love running because it gives me space. I have to say honestly now assay on long way from getting pbs anymore and it gives me space. I am. I'm because i started running pre gadgets. I don't run with music. Poke costs or anything. I just never have never wanted to. Because because that's when i started in didn't exist so i do love the space and the head space. It gives me. When when i run on a couldn't tell you i think about but i do think about all sorts of things funniest how you can go and you can be really busy in your in your head. And then he can come home and go. I have no what i thought too by. Although i would like to just highlight that may be at listen to anything when you run run. Close a great companion. Definitely the h. Two there right now. Say i just. I started running before. There was any of this gadget trae so i just just have never used it but i know a lot of people. Typically long sleigh runs which is pathak because that is when you should be you know not necessarily focusing on what you're doing and you can fill your head with some great ideas and get great tips and listen to something. Then yeah he. I'm trying to encourage people to listen to run. Put your nautilus but new england. And you're into sessions jedi and your long slog runs in your own sleigh runs a let your listen. Karen is being sued of lee. Thank you for sharing all this brilliant advice. Because there's so often. I'm asked about training. Plans and mast if we can get guest to come on and talk about this and give really like genuinely helpful advice of. I think that's exactly what you've done. So sankey really appreciate it and if anyone wants more information or new. It's at run with karen on instagram. Isn't it yeah on on. Twitter and facebook on my website is just wrong with karen dot com does what it says on the tin indeed. It does your officially in the run. Put run club so get back that on your list of achievements as well thank you so much and if you wrote running keep going gone. Kiko it yeah.

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Episode 490 - Adharanand Finn

Marathon Talk

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Episode 490 - Adharanand Finn

"It's Wednesday the twenty ninth of may two thousand nineteen. I'm not in yelling. He's Tom Williams. This is episode four hundred ninety of marathon talk. This show MO Farah and Steph, twelve Italian that bridge, ten K titles that they offer militia Courtney and Chris had triumph over the mile. There's another high profile positive from Kenya and change Williams looking to break the land's end to John a growth, recold, Sarah dungeon interviews down, and thin trading talk all about Tom's top Tapeh tips to himself and Facebook Friday is about a healthier happier. You Tom Williams. Welcome back. What you've been up to I've been very strange reason when I was on was that I missed two in a row. You miss two weeks. And y'all haven't haven't listened to holy rate you in last week's episode. Pitching, what did you say? Of course we didn't. Shed totally. We shared the Thome Williams ever. Ever. I mean, we're gonna talk about it later this show, you haven't much time before comrades not feeling good. I'm feeding me. Go to our data. My to make lists to show, the beginning of my comrades training figured that if I could make my ten longest runs total two hundred miles with the average of twenty miles each with the longest one being a marathon. I'd be probably. All right. And that was based on probably start at the fitter being for five years. And I've got insurance background, because that is kind of almost all lighted probably averaged thirty miles of week in total for the whole since January recommend everybody do not by came from, from a half, decent base and figure the long run to do it. So nineteen miles on Sunday. Monday Monday yesterday felt right? Walk couple of hills. I had my cough was picking a little bit. I planned always plan to shorts of probably between twenty and twenty five K two weeks out. But I actually lost a few miles from a long run earlier in the training, which meant if I had done the plant run outland out of being about one hundred ninety six miles out of the two hundred which is totally fine. With by thought I scheduled my run so that I could tech on end if I fell right? A fellow I thought tack on. But my right. Calf was just twin in. I thought I you don't want injury to Lansing want so walked couple of hills later on partly on what hills. Anyway, comrades, every matter, partly protect MacArthur. Yeah. Felt good. Some feeling feeling remarkably positive. That's a good place to be. Yeah, sibling. You've got fifty six miles to run. I tell you what, I've had to protect myself from my typical confidence. I'm pretty confident person and actually the response. I think if I've been doing it without my dad, I probably would have cut a few callers few more corners, because I'm not really bothered about whether I blow up on all those things for me, but I didn't want to repeat of two. When I meant to be looking after my dad, the last thing I need dragging meal. Paulie Shaw is meant to be the way around says, yeah, there's been an element of come on. You need to be the, the grownup here Gelber, so yeah, I'm pretty pleased. I'm pretty comfortable for excited. I'm looking forward to getting out there. Can be good if something you've done it. You did it. We did it together, two thousand eleven it's a celebration of humanities, and it's up to being incredible experience. Can't wait. Actually quite envious often, you know, it's one of those times, he think I remember when you said, on to go dads, and you should come with me, come with me as well. To come. Of course. There you go. It was really. Yeah. Yeah, good. It's one of those things, I think, for me 'cause I'm running with dad. It's one of those things it will definitely have an impact on me for the rest of my life. Probably every single day the rest of my life, like, you know, the journey, we've been on together over the forty four years of my life and the journey, he's been on personally from discovering, exercise these mid to late sixties to now is a seventy three year old in less. I don't know Egypt's over. We didn't f- in the first mile Shih-ming, we get close to or to the finish line. Then it will be an experience that will probably impact my life every day for the rest of my life, which is rare that you have those, you're aware of those experiences in advance, isn't it? You know, getting married is like that having kids when you know, you're gonna have the kids like that. There's not many things that it advance, you go right on June. The ninth something's going to happen. That is going to change my life ever. Mental when you think about it the best. I mean. Yeah. I'm still. In envious is the wrong word, right? But I sometimes sit back and think I'd love to do something like that with, with one of my parents and an Ecorse. I don't see a few e even see a future that might be possible. Maybe you didn't five years ago. And now is definitely tend talent about it definitely ten years ago. I would have said, this is categorically impossible. I will say anything you like that these absolutely no way this could ever happen, and certainly ten years ago. Not not quite five seventy telling me two or three years, go down her try. And if you remember got injured and didn't look like it. He was a super injured seventy one year old. Even point you. But at that point you saw he'd be it would be a not for the one of trying, whereas ten years ago, you know, wild horses couldn't have gotten to do it. What gives us? Hope doesn't it? I think, yeah, I think for me it really the work is done, whether or not, we do not is down to a little bit, and luckily judgment. But the work he's done. He he's fit enough to do, as long as we don't mess around on the day, and get something drastically rawal. He trips down the stairs, the flu or something. Real test me, kind of anything is possible. Believe me, if my dad can can do comrade at the age of seventy three. Just about anything is possible. Well, I'm really confused to zoom. Looking forward to it. Most of all our hope Brian apps de wipes, the floor joy to do much along runs of me like you Bailey, cardiovascular. I'll be much easier than him. But in terms of that, muscular, endurance, and the shock on your legs and fat could give you experienced on you your experience and your experience should should, and plus it helps with these things to have this backlog of training, even if he has done specific preparation. The mean reciproc- insurance preparation, might not be there. But that's okay because of the way in which you're going to run it. I'm looking for Dedic on you in bending. You in bash them me. That's what I read. What Iran, you went here where you buy dipped under eighteen minutes pool park. Run recently. Yep. Trying to do that for a while. And then I thought I'd go down again, this loss last weekend's couldn't do it. Eighteen o four. I made the classic beginning mistake of trying to go out to us. You'll have at this age percentage of our full. Well, what I always find is this intensity of with, which you go out. So I just can't hold it. But with fitness comes the ability to sustain it did, so the five thirty nine five thirty nine and then at six something six oh, something. That's good. I mean you're seventy nine eight grade. And once you start getting into the rage grade, you're cooking on gas than my lifetime. I think my lifetime PB age grade is seventy seven. So you've you're in better shape for that, that I've ever been in mind highlife, the older than you. We had. It's just looking and I did a session in the week. Also eight time three three minutes just vary. A little bit. But it was indicative seven four. When you stood there. What you do you like just the sunshine territory. I've listened I feel a little bit nervous here. What I purposely did it to see how the last two would would feel because oddly, they were quite similar to the previous ex. Yeah. Well, actually, no. Because other than three minutes I slow down. You know. Off. And I fell off Carter started to feel on the fourth, and then the fifth, and then the six and then the last two. But it was one of those sessions, which was really indicative of your lack, my lack of specific fitness, kind of, Sean, this, this light directly on the biggest gap. Okay. You can, you can run that pace you just can't hang onto it even when you having some rest. Look into work. Anyway. 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That is four draws great day. He says the buys kicked the last five goals to get up for the wind. That's really exciting, isn't it? So only would call to and who being playing each other for since eighteen ninety seven. You do the math a now level pegging on the number of games. They've won each grief. I've ever been to Ozzy. No rules came no haven't even when you in Australia, the go-to. In the was when Liz finished her in the KOMO th guy. That's awesome. That's my I was in Perth. And I went to watch, but it wasn't what's the kind of Fremantle Fremantle dockers or something, I think I went to see when I was in Perth about eighteen years ago really good in Egan said attack she says to recent photos of my recent long weekend in Girona in Spain. There's no running on this whole as just completed in Milton Keynes marathon, my second in four weeks. So it was on my birthday to which I received my Mt. Twenty six point two vest. And I'm sporting in the photos of I is my tempt, her leg, cut a log pose the second on the same beach side gym equipment, which is my own Excu exercise apart from the long walk down from up upper hill to our villa side, which include well, of course and I went for the cocked leg. It's actually not a bad, call leg Marshall, what you're doing. Your left hand apart from that or your right hand but it looks good. Yeah. That's nice. Isn't it? Really? Sandos as my standard. Some look. Oh, okay. Next up, Matt Roberts, given up in little quiet. In two thousand nineteen I have tache the pick of me running around the Bacelona Formula one track. The day before the Spanish form, new grand prix. What's unfortunate that I get to do? This is my day job run around Formula one tracks. I've managed to get around about six twenty one circuits so far subtly this will be the last one for wall. I'm about to have some surgery, my first and I'm unlikely to run again this decade. We'll keep this, this show to keep me sane over the next few depressing months. Tell you what their look that there is stood on the Basle. Oda F, one track debut full, the Spanish Grand Prix gray in hands really big trainers. Big hands, math and talk twenty six point two teasha good work. Nice, right. Speaker kitchen on the world on you. Trust you anymore. Doing sort of new is sort of nearly new trust the process leisure. He designed exclusively for us by Sarah out of your success, who, by the way, his done, this week's interview I believe, yes, down. And wait. Listen, so she designed his teacher, t-shirt leisure teasha is now law. She can see if you picture of pictures of these are social media will link to our of your success dot com on our website. In fact, I'm set while I was at my one minute, I had a green of green multis so kindly sent me. I've just been to the gym in it came back, hot and sweaty, so actually not Saturday now. But really nice only. Very good. Yeah. Earn? I said, C, right, Facebook Friday show sponsors, thrive to track a range of botany Marcus. We asked we said, was simple blood at home blood test at home. The results can help you make moot changes. What's the one thing you hope to change about your lifestyle this year for happier healthier? You Ruth Webb said, new job away from teaching with definitely made me, happier and healthier. Lisa form to work life balance less work, more life, and or less bad food into my gob says Lisa, that feeling if I don't put it in my mouth. I can't eat it. She says, Mike Houston, just one you left leg, make sure it rights matches the right one though. Brand new look be. Could be mountain cloud. More sleep telling my phone off more late at night. I tell you what sleeps, funny one and. Listen to a few times, recently to some brilliant interviews. We've met Walker sleep diplomat. Who does we recommend that show is really good. One of the issues that never seems to be addressed. And maybe it's because you can't about it is in certain times in your life sleep, isn't, Matt has great, set sentence of he gives a choice. Kim self eight-hour sleep opportunity, every night, I get fully supportive of it. But sometimes particularly when you've got you've got young children that can be impossible. And I don't know what the solution to that is. What do you mean what the solution is, what, why if you're for your boy, you kind of wonder into rooms smashes you in the face random points through the night plucks, it does tell you what you do more with our kids like. We'll talk about later and trained talk a little bit. But it's actually sometimes in modern light in what were. Here's the thing for me. It's about who controls my sleep. So my kids control mind. Well, exactly so trillion nothing about other, that's exactly right. Isn't it? Because other people we listen to this thinking who or what controls my sleep and for some it might be. They worked shifts the sun at, like be they're caring for an elderly parent. You know, for others it might be difficult young children for others. You know, there's always. Always a set of constraints around you sleep, you know, you work hours, your job, your family, your home. It's very rare that we can control for we think about it except for your like childhood teenage. And if you're lucky you're twenties where you're totally unappreciative of it. Yeah. In beds, eleven o'clock, whenever you want, like when I was a student, I'm not gonna even get to lecture. And I was totally. If I if I tell my, what was one of the student twenty two year old self and it being it would be lovely sleep because it doesn't biz in what life like, hey, what we, let's get a world since we had a sleep compensation and on the show is near what are we? See we can lie doing other another expert in sleep because. And you're right. It's so overlooked. That would be let's, let's tell you what just on that. No. They're awesome things that people can do. So the things we've spoken about the constraints around what you can and can't do. The troublesome thing is, when you can control those things, and you don't do them so switching telly off, just go to bed if training talk. So let's, let's park that thought till train talk. It's time to run. All you have to do hashtag about you wanna social media, and you'll feature right? You're on social wall, which is our favorites to read out on the show. I off this week, TJ Jones onto our pod with coach Clair task started comfy pace and get faster every kilometer for five K jump done, says, TJ negative splits and fell in control all the way that worry about times, feel your way to a steadily increasing pace. Ten ten yes. She says hashtag. Thanks coach. Hashtag sweaty all of its Hans end. This is on Twitter, went to hard blue spectacularly racer short to ten. Brilliant. Sure, what did you blow to? Let's go. Scott McNeil on Twitter twenty minute positive split. He says fresh shambolic personal worst at the end number marathan turns out losing last four weeks of training matters. A lot also is that are more boring marathon route in the world. He says. See that they wanna put one out of ten. I think think, though, I have to say, I do think your appreciation of American is inversely proportional to your personal performance on the days in it. So when you have an absolute fly negative split pace it perfectly PB, that's the great American vialed when you have in your words, shambolic, personal worst. The courts doesn't normally seem so much fun Naomi and lex marathon, talk, search off to knocked twenty three minutes of my previous early time. Yep. Completed edinburgh. Four forty four twenty with strong issue next ten out of ten. Nice could work. She says it's most spectacular you've ever seen in life. No. Nor foster on Instagram, which marathon in sixteen weeks, what better time, start with hill training, heart down hot up easy down, easy up repeat twenty-five second difference in both ups and downs between hard and easier training says Laura or a non workday. But that was definitely fun. Nine out of ten. Rub. Davies lots of that math into chat. Chats? Run camp at comrades at big Williams. Ninety forty five BG Williams. Small man. Oh, it. Oh, brian. Brian, Gerard Williams nineteen four. Jerry, jerry. Hey running running comrades, Jerry. Darkness. Sunrise sunshine. Beautiful rivers and get the kiss, the drew grants my seven hours support pass so quickly because it was fun. Well done amazing runneth amazing running Gareth Boyd nice night after say, my Bolton's can be disappointed. Now having heard the beginning of the show at mabul to fourteen on Twitter feed. Inspired the London ten chaotic crack famous six by three minutes at mind. Yelling session, Tim him except for fact, markets now, eight three minutes you heard in the beginning so you only did three cores Cape up boats. It was the vitality London ten thousand we took these from fast, running dot com. So that we can serve Farren Steph to retained ten k road race tiles at the vitality, London ten thousand safe running thousands turned out to run to the sun. Bathe the British capital for Farrer. It was his seventh winning seven races on the famous central London cost twelve to two seconds. We're personal win the women's crown for second time. Just twenty four hours after say a world mile record running hand in hand. In fact, just bouncing over to that for second. She did run that in the what's it called. Westminster mile vitality. Westminster my own press release said it was a special Dave abrasions, nationalist, twelve to she and her husband, Joe more would smashed the Guinness world record for running, a mile Wassall thing, hands completed, the course in four minutes and fifty seconds to beat Ecuador five twenty four seven last year. That was brilliant, so twelve double Olympia, and who won five thousand two bronze at the European champion Lhasa tougher than I expected near the end. And I felt I felt drove Joe drag. Me a bit to the line. But I think we've good standard now to finish areas incredible. According to. According to Joe never met before. Just how behind start away. We went. Wash roller skates on. We found that quite easy. He said, actually, we've got different styles news, heart stay in sync. He said, but it was great fun. Brilliant. I would've liked to have seen them run. Like in training together. But all the time now, thing is, it's quite nice isn't if somebody like Steph, twelve double Olympia kn five thousand two brooms at the European championships. Best inches done world record-holder holding hands. Appraise the Westminster my of the day before wasn't an Bruce, Chris O'Hare, who has PB of three fifty two, which ran in New York a couple of years ago. He won the elite Westminster race in four minutes on the nose brilliant overtook on the line, the young Jonathan Davies say fast running was given the same time in second place pool. This pool AC track ace and marathon tool in on the show. Recently Melissa Courtney won the women's race in four thirty one then what's take down nor meal. Exactly taking down the firm favourite lure Amir, who ran for thirty two that's great. I did see the finish of that, and Melissa brilliant, as she strode away from Laura MIR fantastic. Well, not like don't it should blow smoke. But the part runway brillian. Well, I took a few years, too. On. I remember the first couple of years, the Parham wave we, we really little bit underwhelmed by how many people enter it, but I think we had to part ways this year with seven hundred people in, total three ain't gonna PS h started. I think. Now we did briefly this news broke just as we recording the show last week. We didn't have much on it at the time. But. I don't quite know the correct adjective to describe, whether it's disappointingly, not surprisingly somewhat expectedly like. Which one is it the ethics integrity unit. And that's that Bahrain's unique Kerr the two thousand and sixteen Olympic silver medalist in the women's marathon has been provisionally suspended after testing positive for E, P O. There's a ton more on this story on the ever brilliant. Let's run dot com. That means that the two top finishes from the two thousand sixteen Olympic marathon have been busted for the gold medalist, your mama, soon going tested positive in February twenty seven seventeen. She was alternately banned from the sport for eight years after lying folks defying medical records. Thirty five year old unique occur round six forty six in the half marathon and to twenty one in the marathon LeBron's medal at the two thousand fifteen world championships. This this. I find really I mean. Koa is the wife of Joshua kick Chem. I who also coaches half marathon world record holder. Abraham Kiptum who last month was suspended by the for biological. Passport violation. I think he was actually at the London marathon event and was winning wasn't the chucked out a day before something and was sent home quite rightly so. Yet. Again, we're seeing examples of the world's best marathon and half marathon, runners fooling foul of doping violations. And what strikes me every time is. There's there has to be a distribution network and. Is going on. I did read something else. Interesting in the week about the situation. Aaron clinics integrity initiative. Jeff got him. But that was really into the, the exact detail of the guy's name. But taking bribes for telling Kenyan athletes when drug allegedly international athletes as well. Yes. By the way, king information about saying, okay, we'll be a drug test at this point, which enables kind of just makes mockery of the entire system, but it's not the first time Tom that we've said the system and the sport of the top needs a bit of a shake-up does the shakeup doesn't needs to be something different. I don't see anybody doing. I mean, London marathon, Wilmer, major, I think, in London marathon, a great they seem to fund testing do more stuff, but it needs more than just testing. Because testing is fairly point MRs near catches a whole Notre high profile people, but there's a lot more doing wrong. Again, call not more. There needs to be some kind of no idea what it is. But what point does athletics? Just lose all of its credibility, like at what point when you when you watching the, the marathons acquainted this is the women's marathon when you're watching the women's marathon in Tokyo. What point you go? Okay. I accept. They are the one-two-three because that one-two-three much. Although by by the way, the situation, she's not lost. The metals metal from don't think some metal either from Rio. I think they're both still got the medals. Let's run say since some going, Coa both fell EPS EPO tests after the impacts the needs to prove their opening prior to twenty sixteen in considering we've heard nothing on that front regarding soon going tested positive two years ago. It's unlikely that she ochre we'll, we'll be forced to give up those medals. So they're still gold until madness. Yeah. I saw them both running running down holding hands crossing the line. James Williams like this story image that see how it's going to roll this week, actually. Shifting isn't he is shifting James Williams oath to run a is attacking the world record is, is a world record fasters. No time. Is it will best owned bit confused over this. For lands end to join a growth if things go to plan say athletics weekly. He will consign the controversial current Mark the history. So James Williams, two-thirty marathoner from Belgrave, who need an extraordinary performance to beat the world, recurrent world record, which is nine days, two hours and twenty six minutes sets by rid two thousand two athletics. Weekly say on the dubious circumstances. And with any of the stringent record wreck ratification requirements needs today. I'm afraid I don't know anything else about that. No, I don't either. But nevertheless, he has Sal, I'm sure I saw James Williams that said, look. I'm gonna forget about any questions about that record. And I'm going to try and beat that record that record is nine nine days in two hours, which is like a hundred miles a day with all the climbing. I'm looking on Strada. Hey, we'll put linked to straw, Instagram nothing on the show notes. I mean day, one hundred sixty five kilometers with two thousand one hundred percent. I mean is two hundred thirty seven point eight kilometers with hundred with fifty meters day, three hundred forty eight kilometers with a mile of I mean. Toy. He's eight off record to be. But he's going for it. So, you know, massive massive good luck to James, and we'll have on the shows are to be great talk. And it's one of those things is that as there's not many things you look at these days ago. Is that really possible like holidays? People could run lines Jolla grow, and they might take a month to do it or whatever these new things, but it's positive causes possible, but to do in that time my word, lazing very, very impressive. Speaking of doing things in good times, should we podium in up to it together act together to the podium, you need to make sure that your marathon is on our events pages. I set marathon talk dot com. Upload your finish time by Monday night. Yes, it is stacked in fifth place at the Liverpool rock and roll marathon in three seventeen fifty nine on the men's podium is Daniel Matthews. My first marathon enjoyed it ran on feel. Was originally aiming for sub four for what but training went real? I'm super happy with that result. Ran three seventeen. Well, dodge grant grant, go great as going. Yeah. Okay. And number marathon, ran three fifteen twenty one to four place. Highs and lows wind Rayo son and sick hall roll the dice went I want thirty two hoping for three oh five no point dying wondering is on the cards. There we go. He says he didn't carry defying a five year old for the five hundred and fifty meters. Evidently beyond my sorry state. She climbed down the line brilliant. In third place at the Liverpool rock and roll. And again, just nipping under three hours to fifty nine fifty two Andrew ferns, my third hometown, interro my fifth in total. My first sub three with seven seconds to spare. Oh, actually, Kevin Francis. He's second and third second and first of the podium this week. So what I'll do is. I'll read Kevin jobs. Oh, and then I'll give it. I'll give the Rio fifth-place shout whenever he's done. He's done now. I see. First and second first and second. So e was top of the table this week, Kevin Francis in Maratha, who ran to forty one fifty nine didn't they run quicker for the first team to make up for the wind on the turn even effort throughout despite a poster up guys to bring it home. That's very well run pace. Kevin riches. The top this week's marathon tour. Listen to Kevin frontiers. Kevin FRANZ with Kevin just jumping in was pulled Benham me, who should have been in six place, Edinburgh than who ran three thirty three nineteen. He said, aiming for a PB of three twenty six Heitmann, tear wouldn't Dan, who section the star. Like a maniac. Ali rush bloom, okay? Time for the women's podium in fifth place. In fact, let's check them. Alison leave a manage telling muddy Fisher. Survey. And then we go core in fifth, lace, Alison Tonle, Edinburgh, marathon festival. Three fifty one twenty eight officially. She says, windy, even on the Tom Williams just a bit breezy meteorological schedule fourth place. Vivian for the end of marathon, also three forty five eighteen a painful positive split in sunburn sunburn in Scotland, but great support from family and friends in third-place amount of sterling in Liverpool three thirty eight fifty five. Great marathon, course with life bans, every mile in second place, Mattie, Fisher number Matha vessels, three thirty six flats not quite the target, thanks to vicious headwind, from mile eighteen solid baby PB in a lovely coastal route more to comes as many top the women's podium at MIR survey gin apologies me if I've got surname, long, Vermont city marathon, three hours, twenty four minutes. Thirty seconds start the day with no particular goal in mind and had a great day despite muggy weather zoomed by. My husband about eighteen but quite a PR, but a great day night, and could work presuming pass. Your husband really. Really? Talk podium. This week on training with a we'd give I tell you what really we thought we'd have word with me for my taper four com rates. I'm covering me about what is it twelve days out from comrades with hard work in the Bank, and no time left to do it? If he's into taper weeks can be a treacherous time for those of us with powerful, inner homers, the devil makes work for Eitel hands. And suddenly, we have more time and less focus, and the temptation can to get the party started a little early only to arrive on race day feeling worse than you did on your first training done that so many times, I've just totally let go between my last kind of key and the race. And honestly, I'm sure I've been fitter. I'm sure but mama conditions gone down at toilet, and I felt worse than ever going into the race. So this word with myself, and we talked about sleep earlier, in an ideal world sleep would never be compromised. In the real world. It be hit and miss, and Mike to seventy four and there's just nothing you can do about it. And I've never been one four I know some people might go and sleep downstairs, or whatever for the kids in potted, Selim sound like I've never been one even where we do have kids. I've never been one for taking it that far. So that is, is, as my four year old's going to win four in the morning and want to read a story. And that's kind of it, but you can't commit to slight sleep hygiene, so phones downstairs. I think we're both very good at that you'll get. Something I struggle with minimizing that caffeine in the afternoon, the evening often cheeky flat. Why in the afternoon Cup of tea watching the talian evening, caffeine does really impact your sleep and something else? I can middle of the road of turning a brain offers early as possible. So just answer a few emails, or I'll just do this eight o'clock or nine o'clock, and that can be Indian eat real disciplined to do that as well. Because, like yes reasons for reasons for not doing it often can be so strong that you feel like you need to do it. Yes. Simple things like lock the phone away. You know, look the way I've done this number years, just put the phone away. Don't even take up says, not even near me. That's really good. If I try do all the thing for me, which is weakest of all of those threes. Third one turn your brain offers earliest possible. So I can easily beat my phone away, and I can easily not have caffeine afternoon evening. Just switching flicking that switch in your head. That says, okay. It's time to shut off now that I'm gonna read a book. I'm going to watch something on television super engaging. Number two movement. Too many of us lead, and this definitely is me extremely century lives in the absence of exercise in the absence of anything's going to go for a run. Some of us, this is definitely me. I have a proper office job where I'm sat on my backside all day. And if I end up getting attacks you'll get your lift of the train station, sing Traynor deriving in work and driving home, I can do you know I could do. I don't wear it anymore. When I used to wear Fitbit quite a bit, I could do. Fifteen hundred or two thousand steps on Felli said today, which banning anything and so, and it's really important, I think, to keep moving during your taper excise goes down. But keep moving joints, moving, especially for your old codger, like me or you. So I think using human power movement. Whenever possible is really powerful so stairs, instead of the escalator, working to the station or getting stop earlier exactly that does help that taper lethargy little bit still moving, and you don't feel quite so. Lethargy and little India, little shed a whole time walked to go to a cafe for lunch or something at work, walk to further away, or whatever it is. We have time for goodness sake. Don't do anything new like sometimes played badminton while I'm doing that tape week, and I can fall into the trap of doing some of those things like the weekend, we went to like a village fater friend's house. And there was like this. Kids boys, versus girls, kids, tug-of-war, then it was like mums versus downs tug of war, and I'm like, no, don't go near the tug of war with all those really competitive dad's about twice your size. That is not what you do doing during Tapeh week. That is really right? Stress plan planner leaf you travel requirements really imports that an in fact booked, our seats on the plane earn today, so that we'd definitely sick next to each other RAV waiting for paid about thirty quid or something seeds Bravo, waiting until the checking opens when it's free. But then we sit next to each other then that causes stress all the way they're back. So we get your race and travel stuff done. Avante really important speak to people who've done the race, y'all doing before an ask them some things about it. You know, like how long was the star like how do you have to keep the toilets or what's the bag drop like all those things to try and minimize the, the race based stress in advance schedule. I'm terrible. I mean, they call me last minute dot com work, and it is terrible for blogging, the last minute, and that does cause stress. I really have to work hard to not just leave it. And also schedule, some fun things through family and friends. You've probably got a little bit more time to do a few more things that we all went to the similar cinema yesterday. Sunday and watch. What are we secret life parents to was really good? But the four of us, and I just think scheduling some fun stuff can really reduce the stress and, and keep your elax, which is mind off the race. Good. Finally, I think nutrition maximize your to. It's really important because you can't one of the things I find a taper with nutrition. Is that if you get your nutrition wrong when you're easing down into a race not only does it make you feel bad like over? I mean, from a health point of view. Yes. Oh, not, not psychologically. But I find if I think need to eat more or try any differently, actually, doesn't really help me feel in, in really ready to tackle the racer going to absolutely looking. If you're like me, you've got partial for. Terrible food and stuff. So, like I will left him own devices, just junk, and it's terrible and noise me and like many people, I think all the time, I'm training and focused. I've got a goal. I'm really coming when you could food on John bladder, then assume as you like, great works on thanks fee up in that kind of week two weeks three weeks between your training peaking in the race. You can just go to parts a little things next week. We've got. Monday, Tuesday meeting with work, and we're going out for dinner in the evening. Normally for me. We've gotten dinner would have a bottle of wine ever been a laugh and probably have a bit too much during. And then our junk food never really late night. So I'm gonna I'm driving to it because I know from driving. I wouldn't even have wondering street water if I'm driving, and that will create a situation where I won't make those batch about going to bed early, and food, and you can undo so much, and it's, it's so easy, isn't it? So really reflect on what's working training. I think so often eaten ten long runs in training in certain way before or whatever it is you felt great. And then for some reason, I mean you did this to be fair comrades did you remember you had, like a pasta party the night before the toilet, eight times to thirty eight times? We never done it in training, you know, you react well to, to ever as gluten posture, what we will ever it is. And they Scoffing scuff in the past the back the night before I know difficult when you at somebody else's has exactly I need I need to eat something. But what? But it's home reasoning like my wife and I can your wife is well would have said in that situation. Sorry. No, it will make upset my stomach possibly your little bit more like me. I didn't know I'm very socially most. I feel grossly uncomfortable. No socialist situations saying no to something checks cheesecake. Oh, yes, please. I'm trying to please people being social. So when they we big I feel really uncomfortable. So, you know, me to say no. Yeah. You've only put in five months of training for the biggest to run. And then somebody force feed you like Manton of pass the night before, and you feel so bad that you can't say no. Here's. A couple of introductions you might notice already. I'm not Morton Tomo Holly. My name is login, and I work on designed for marathon took stay, I'm here interviewing main guest, Darren and Finn darned is the author of several running books and he's being math and took a few times poor to tell us more about these. He was on episodes, one hundred seventy eight hundred seventy nine talking by his first book running with the Kenyans discovering, the secrets of the forces people on earth. He came back on two hundred seventy two and two engine seventy three to talk about his next book, the way of the runner journey into the obsessive world of Japanese running when he's not writing books. He is a journalist of the guardian, and he is, of course, runner to listeners might be interested in his rather impressive math and two fifty. And they he is joining us to talk about his latest book, which is on may the sixteenth twenty nineteen and is cooled the rise of the ultra runners journey to the edge of human endurance were Madeira Island. Could you start by reminding the listeners briefly about your running background and how you got into running? Well, I mean I ran quite a bit as a kid I was. County a cross country and track. So I was going to run in the Olympics wasn't that good. And then about seventeen eighteen distracted by other things, and ended up giving it up. And then. Well, fill the time it was perhaps choices, but now looking quite young any thirty five and I suddenly, just realized time was owning out to do these filters fulfill all these running Bishen I'd been harboring all these years. So I put my running shoes back on and just got back into ten ks half. Marathons and things and then ended up, I was a journalist by this point working the guardian I was kind of had in my head. I'd love to write a book, and then I just came up with this idea that I realized, I remember looking online and couldn't believe nobody had written a book about the Kenyans where they lived and how they train their lies like, and I'd had this fascination Kenyan going back into being a teenager. And so just go that'd be that'd be a book. I'd love to read their loan. Right. So I picked it around. And go got go an advanced to Kenya for six months, and many more more of ins-. Well, I think I'm sure many of the listeners as I have, and it was definitely a great, great gap to fill really fascinating learning more bites how the Kenyan canyon system worked. And how mazing the runners from there and I mean, progressing from that led utility mindlessness will lead to the second one. Why did you move onto the Japanese after the Kenyans? Mean partly, it was the publishes winning Kenyans did very well came from you to not running. And they were suggesting ET appears good. Joke felt like a very similar story big differences, as well. But I wanted to do something different. And then I remembered having been in Japan in that spell when I wasn't running and witnessing naked in which is. Long distance relay race, and being amazed by how To's and how the whole town had come out and become part of if you weren't running supporting my brother visiting my brother who lived. There wasn't a run of the he he was running in the race. Doubt into that more and found out as a whole fascinating world built around accidents and the corporate system in Japan. And how running is such a huge thing in Japan, but they purchase a completely different way. And every now and then we get glimpses of this with Yuki carry G or. The Japanese records broken a couple of times in the last year and the mazing results in half marathons and things. And, and so I just decided that, that would be a complete contrast to Kenya and fascinating contrast as well. Something again, nobody had written about I was, I was intrigued by so I just thought that was an actual follow. Absolutely. Oversee listeners will probably many of them would have read and other episodes. They can can go back. Obviously, we'll have to resist temptation to talk about those. Ski. What inspired you to write the book by ultra? Yeah. So it's role that time, I, I consider myself, although Olympic dreams that long since vanished. Fairly serious. Whenever anyone talks about ultra running. I kind of thought it is. I. I, I mean you look at the time we were running, you work out how fast running it's twelve minutes and mile, that's not much walking. And that's not really running as I hadn't really hadn't really appeal to me. But then I did one. And met some really brilliant people on on the ground, and it was a six day race stage race. So you really get time on those races to get to know the other people, and, and it just really piqued my interest and I realize it wasn't a take my kind of nerdy running hat off. Here was. From purity running point of view wasn't still was interesting because it is an opening isn't just about running a slight in some ways, it's a misnomer. It's running is, is part of it, but it's a whole adventure, a whole journey whole experience life experience, going even one onto is a is a life experience. They with you going into another way beyond running the running five percent. There's the eating is the war is the hiking, emotional breakdowns support from your crew the landscapes so many elements of it. So I realized once I realized that and also the other thing that would track to me was the fact that is such a booming sport of the moment when I dug around in the figures in the last ten years as being like thousand percent increase in the number of participants, and that's globally, and that's been steadily rising even before them, but it's been a real boom in the last ten years. And I just thought what what's going on? It's quite an extreme thing to do one hundred miles, or even fifty miles is, it's an extreme things people doing it must be some real toll must be some meal appeal. And I just thought that was interesting dynamic going explore. And let's see running does play a role in all trending and depends on the distance, you get like fifty K or even one hundred gay trackways a lot more road races. Lot more running if you're doing one hundred miles in the mountains running less if you're doing. Three thousand. Something like that, where it's pure survival. The running becomes element, and it becomes more by your mentality and your perseverance new insurance. In your will to carry on, really. So how important was it for you to go on a your own personal running journey said, dude and one and I'm not sure. Might want to say more about what it was the Meiji do the first Alturas. Well, but in the book you interview, the real ultra stars, could, you still have written the book of you had just spoken to them and not not run on yourselves? There's a great quote. I hope that were just because you're bed met, you offer -nology phonology bird expert, and I found that in Kenya. If you ask the Kenyans way, Kenyans, good, one is give you a seventh because we ran to school because we have a passion for running, and it's the same ultra is about the experience of why they do it different people give you different answers to really get a proper insight. I find just gotta do it. And it was one of the race. I'd been to watch the twenty four hour trackways in to the before I did. And I was trying to ask this guy who done it before was preparing for the race. What it was. What it was that what you find out there. And he said, you just have to do it. Just do it. And that really made me think God, what you're going to discover out there. It's going to be very personal in different people go completely different experiences to me, and so I do a lot of people. It's not just my experience. I wanted it to be my experience into with journalists experience. Now, you say some of the top ultra news in the world. Also, some other people who were mid, Pat renner's back pattern as people who were supporting the runners race directors agents. All people surrounding the sport, and talk to them about the issues doping. Cheating. The different types of races controversies on entering all these kind of things, but and actually initially, I wanted to be more generous dick exploration than my own journey. I don't own any would just be in the background reading everything together, but I realized eight experiences were so extreme. They were just so. I just wanted to write about them, and I felt like. The bring the kind of insight that you can't get just from asking somebody about somebody is. This. They're going to sit down and tell you every minute detail. I just felt like. And also, I was the threat that kind of tied everything together because I would go to different countries different runners. Come on different people, but they would appeal once the, the key story going to find this thread between the whole of the whole book, I realized after was me and as much as I had been tended to so much about myself. That's how it ended up it does it does make for a good read, actually, because it becomes it does make a bit of a page. You are wondering what will happen next run and make the finish. And what's going to happen? So it does it does it does work. Well. Doesn't come across. I realize interesting because say I was of my fairly serious Cup on. But I would tend up at a race, even even more so much. But half marathon down a race look around and see him I going to be ten till five here. See my rivals. Ultra ultra runs often, I was almost right near the Bank. I mean a real different experience. I was not as capable at all Tra and that was really interesting to me really humbling, but also told me a lot about myself and about about the juror. Drew june. Toughness, that's changed toughness of people who on the surface, you meet them at the start line. Maybe they're bit old. Oh, they don't let my in shape, and they will pass eighty miles into the run going strong on the side of the trail. And there's a there's a kind of inner strength that some people have that can really surprise you amazing. It does come across in the book. Posse person yourself. I think it's. Some real casualties running out trace. If you can keep going or even just gonna watch one million. People really struggling does seem like there will always be drama after say from from reading it. So you talk about how you how you wanted to bring across from infant, huge range people and experiencing yourself, who hoping the book will be is for people who've never tried, and ultra curious or you hoping that the, the kind of the pro end and the restaurant is who read it as well. What, what are you hoping people will get out of him remorse books for wider audience? I think so. But then I also want to pass the test, and that people really that scene in the Kenyans I've had, I've had some people living in Kenya weapons into ends up being confronted with them. They like. And the same with the attorney, I won't the furnace, like reading this captured this is like, but really I'm not really writing them for people with the fascination of human capable of humans doing that. I never be a large proportion of the readers will be run. But they might be altering they might be people who are considering all show, people who just light high was what those what would you? I think that's a question, almost overriding question in the Kenyans it was wire. They say good here. It's why people even doing this because that was the question I had I just didn't see the attraction for killing myself for twenty four hours or forty hours or even longer in one go just keep going through ridiculous environments that are not built for any. But there is an attraction, there is there is something going on there. I think anyone with fascination in human really human existence will could could find interest in there. They may not pick it up. So when who's got no interest in running, but I feel that if they did they'd still find. I can see that amount of to admit, I am not an experienced entrepreneurs a tool, and I find absolutely fascinating. I can't see myself passing it to people who don't know about it being been oyster. Safeway. To find out about I'm wondering, whether it makes you want to run a Notre n- more or less. Gosh, I makes me kind of more fascinated to follow it. It probably does make me a little bit more. I have to say I mean it's not wholehearted. Absolutely. Because I think it makes you realize even more high tough, it is. So, I think because you always then wide open. You didn't have these already knowing what you're getting in full. So I think my always going to more wide open. Makes me think Mike nece super super hard. But then I love the, the feeding of SaaS faction everyone has at the end of conquering those difficult moments. I remember marathon run. Quite a lot of Harper seemed so much more just the emotions and feelings of so much bigger and then do hundred. Marriage and feels the job. Really? I mean, I'm not saying any harder in, in some ways my going forward, I've just as much desire to run a pass merit and to do one hundred miles fully. So I fully. Fully respect and, and still attracted to Mertens. But in terms of that emotional state, you get into doesn't is no comparison, try new going to go to very very dark places and it's not going to last for ten minutes or twenty minutes. It's gonna last day. So where do you stand on the debate of runners love to debate, which is the hottest distance new with the, the aerobic pain of the eight hundred versus the speed, endurance of the marathon? And I think marathon, versus ultra is another one that people who is curious, if I work where the Houston, now on the earth depends on how hard your how competitive you're so if you're just joking any distance and the further you go, the heart is going to be like, anyone could juggle annual but a lot of people jog a mile. But if you trying to break four minute mom, for example, and you're just trying to finish an ultra birth, and then then when talking about the a whole different skill set. And like I say running is ultra running is not even really about running. So I think impure Huntington's when a fast marathon is just as hard as winning a competitive ultra. In terms of running intense. Willpower, and you landings about yourself, d- don't know. Because in American, you still running most people still running at some point to some degree. You're not in this point where you kind of sat down where you like a hole in the middle of the night on top of mount in the wind, howling around, you starting to get hypothermia dealing with situations, which no Vining this known bending abilities longer. Matt mean anything, you're what matters you ability to poll of up. Tell you, you can do this get going. And so that's a whole different skill set. So you just testing different things. I think I mean if you kidding a on a fifty mile to on, it's probably similar to American tens of he's, he's gotta train phrase going to be fit. And then he's got to plan his strategy and he's got to go for it. But once you get to the really long distances or if you're amid Pat rented, like with the ultra, and it's just all about mind, eventually, you start off feels easy. The first four five hours, you're joking along eating food, enjoying the scenery and feels fine. But, you know, it's coming some point something is going to happen say, what, what makes it great ultra because eve. Evokes you running fairly high standard. But then when you converted you weren't able to run as, as high up the package, you had been on on the roads. So what do you think makes great ultra? One thing, some people just discover when they start going further that, just to physically you just have the ability to keep going. So they might they might have been ten case of Mertens a bit, better Americans. And then they just find try and ultra just right at the front, some people just have an, I'm not sure what that is just slow twitch muscles, and even slow at which. Whatever. But, but then there's this whole mental side of, of turning, and I think what I realized eventually is quite emotional. So I would have real highs in the race would be feeling amazing like really just buzzing and passing people skipping through the field. And dinky I was going to get into the top ten and win the race. And then suddenly I'd crash I'd be all upset, and I'd be crying towns multiple times on Saturday crying, and I realize that the really good. Auburn is just keep on this level emotional level. They're coming they're doing well they'll just keep on the practicalities. I need to do that when they're not feeling good. They just tell themselves you need to do this. You need to do that. Maybe if I carried on maybe that comes with experience speaking NICKY, Spinks the other day. And she said initially she was much more up and down. Now she just this whole kind of system, which goes through, and her mind starts playing games with she knows through experience, that she's being here before and she knows how to deal with it. And I was one race manage to successfully. Not how crisis and it was all about just staying mentally strong. So, yeah. Anyone who can stay level, emotionally and mentally level. But the emotions that interesting because I realize that the end of the whole experiment experience just how up and down I'd been compared to the, the really good. One is Damien hall is a good example, any bit of dessert film, the dog film about his attempt to come top five in the which I went spoiler. But at any point in that race he looks the same. He's talks the same sounds just like he's out for one. Everything's fine joking. If you'd see me at different points, it'd be like, two different people. So, so he's he's, he's very good. I think he has that mentality just build stay level when through the crisis, but also to good times, and that's interesting that you might not know into two starts as say, some people just naturally. Good physically. And then there's the mind element which one on ninety ago and then say that sounds like visibility to Prentice as well. So even if you get your first one ROY sounds like improve experience in his training, say my training amazing. But I live in Devon's, and we have the coastal trails another thing is descending 's trail skills parenting skills. They're big factor. My first couple of series travel races. I was losing so much found on the descent. And then I had this experience by learn how to run dissents and suddenly, I was making ground with no more effort. So, and some of the gray Aldrin's, particularly the one is famous descending. I think that's a real a real skill and it's. Really good fun as once you get good at the sending I mean racing down a mountain some of those dissents can lost out just running down down down down down, skipping jumping. It's like a friend Tom pain who's in the book here. He sings the Marian brothers himself. He's going down the hill to make it even more. He's a computer. Definit- skill and people probably seem videos on the amazing videos of killing a doing I mean I found near and post definitely something I want to perfect learn improve. But does look mazing when it's done. Well. Mean you can move from being hopeless to being pretty good. And as we've mentioned, you've covered the Kenyan and Japanese runners literacy ultra stars seem to be from the US in Europe while we say, more canyon and Japanese alternatives, all Japanese altruism, they tend to be the. Stay on the roads more than the trousers and good trial was in Japan, but the top Japanese Trevon tend to be one hundred K time time races on, on flat. Concrete lutes, which is generally Mike experience, Japan, the way to run. In Japan is round small concrete loops. The Kenyans Kenya's Nydia paeans berry upturning exists, and I do document my in the book of my attempt to introduce Kenyans and running to each other. And there's a whole variety of reasons why that doesn't go smoothly. Some of it being. Financial Kenyans idioms running purely as a job. It says way of making a living making making money and the moment there is money, no training, but it's not in there in the same way that it isn't marathoning, and it's not easy for the Kenyans to understand, they'll get the heads around, and they also have this idea that the further you because you get more to run American generally a half marathon and a tank as the prize money gets more the shorter the distance. They had this idea that ultra running, if you're gonna fifty miles should each being paid twice, but you get one American doesn't, but I think there'd be totally capable of doing at least at least up to send point. I think like I say, once you get to one hundred miles and mentality and running becomes smaller positive thing. Can use going to have less than vantage? But, but at the shorter ones we're running is still a big part of it. And then there is the famous comrades marathon in South Africa, which is about ninety kilometers on a road a hilly road but still road and they can use go down and do that race. They usually think they can do the back of American training. And so don't actually do that well and one. None of the very top Kenyans are going to go down and do it. Whereas the top South African is running. Marathons South Africans actually pretty reason, you don't see them running marathons because we'll training ultra but on the road and basically comrades marathon. So there's some amazing South African Ultraman is just spend the whole year preparing comrades. And so they beat became his. But there is there is definitely an unknown element now. I mean the race I tried to get can use the north face fifteen California, which is a fifty mile trail hilly trello trip not mountainous hilly, but I think it would co, and I think that's the kind, of course, I've area, I think they could do really well and. And so I tend to out, but we got scuppered by the wildfires in California last year. But we got maybe maybe next year. Yeah. Say it's, it's a really interesting experiment in the book as you say, part of it is not knowing about it. And part of it is the money son's little logical to me run for the win more sense. Fair enough. I think what, what do you think you more? He anyone. Well, that is true. So I mean as you saying that a lot of things very well known in the book for in your journey to qualify for the UTM the altruism on blow. Which is kind of major it burns, it self as the world summit of tro running, and it's a lot of hype and sponsorship, brandit. So that's quite contrast to allure of the low key in more, like wild side of ultras. Is there a danger of losing these elements most shit come in? We're actually would it be better thing if more big brands, good involve prize money and people knew about them. That's an interesting one. I mean, not I think both true. I mean, I think in mode running trail, any, this is you have both at the same time, and I think I think it would be great to get Mason even bigger with the athletes being more professional getting Kenyans involved making, maybe some kind of series. I mean, the different competing bodies and groups trying to set up their own. So there's Salam the golden trail series, then you Tim, Bs hitting their trail World Series and it feels like because there's no over riding governing body. It's fragmenting a little bit. Which seems a shame and is being led by the sponsors. It'd be great if there was. I mean I know the Ida bland kind of taking tro running and ultra Winningham board. But I feel like it would be great if there was a more coherent series, but at the same time, you don't want to lose the quest roots, racism, sometimes the real adventures where, you know, your go to navigate yourself, you can. There's a real like I said, the first race I met some amazing people and you do spend gets an oak people spend time, people, particularly in the smaller races, because you're much more of a community bond between your grades and just some people. The whole spirit of ultra running is about getting out there into nature getting Las getting testing self against the world. In some ways that feels a little bit contradictory to getting sponsorships brands in creating a lot of hullaballoo. So I think there's space for both an I enjoy, I do both in the race in the book, I do some very small local races. And I do I do Tim be which is one of the biggest. I enjoyed them by equally. I think I think I had great experiences in and option. But I really liked to see it become more professional. I'd love to see in a cage fairways. Millon say obviously, you're part of the title is the rise of ultra running. Do you think it is still a nation will ever hit the mainstream and yet could it be in? Would you. Of the Paris limpets might be one hundred two hours. I know a couple of Ultraman is a win. Don't get find them get themselves getting hustle skis. They told me that, that goal there already had that it's going to have already the young enough to be it's twenty twenty four they're kind of that's their big goal in the distances. The one hundred Kato world trail championships with once about one hundred and that's getting bigger each year. So, yeah, it's definitely becoming more movement stream. And I think as a spectator sport with with drone footage and running through these amazing landscapes. I mean is very what you're. As an event now on television, because those kind of, you know, when these long, but the Heke or even a cricket match or base where you can dip in outfit includes TV for twelve hours. You can you can come back who's winning go away. They can cut to the other events pick, but it is very watchable. And also the, the drama is quite we talked about the drugs. But even the elite level, you get runners flying suddenly crash, very dramatic. And you get these people who minutes minutes behind catching up, then it's never foregone conclusion, it's in some ways, it's, it's more exciting than American often, you do, get dramatic marathons but often when someone makes a break to get away that clear, you know, there's not that much more that can go wrong feeling stroke ultra and someone being clear. I mean, you Tim. Shoe was classic example. About ten of the stars were leading, and they all ended up dropping out. At some point, all sorts of things happen to the manga stung by be nothing fell over twice as Neo cone. Other runners just completely had came complete existed. And we're like, claps the walking. I mean, there's real drama plus potential drama that I think would be great, and also Olympic event, so there to showcase in some ways from the organize point-of-view showcase their cities and landscapes. And you go, you got an opportunity of your most beautiful national park and the whole world is watching the whole world wanna go on holiday. Run it. We're coming. Just Finally I keep too much longer. But we took about the different sides of ramming, whether they're low key or the sponsors. But seems another side when you're running, this can beauty and using eating and chatting people and the peaceful landscapes. But then this extreme suffering and is, is, is suffering necessary. And do you think that, that she would be more of a competition to be the hardest? I mean, the Marathi Saab claims to be the toughest Barclays. Buckley, marathons, which seemed to be the toughest where no one can most people have finish? It is, is suffering really key part and will that continue to be to kind of race to get even tougher. I mean I feel like. Many different brunches to running. So you do get like I said, most popular as the most the biggest ultras in the world is comrades, which is not that extreme. Kilometers on a road. It's still a big effort to close. But yeah, it's not in the league of the Buckley marathon, where five thirty three people finished in over forty years, or something like that. Mercy is a lot of the years nobody finishes the race. I mean there are racist like that. I mean, I find that whole brunch of ultra on its own these races that are just so extreme. They're just there to the challenge is just finish. The spine race is another one jasmine Paris from this year to me that if I was going to say the race, I would really really, really wouldn't want to, I think. Two hundred and sixty eight miles in January along the way. Just I, I think I'd try the longest race in the world, which is the self transcendence three thousand one hundred mile on a single city block in New York. But so, so I didn't I didn't there's more is trying to do buckling, Barclays kind of its own. It's no world. I think it'd be hard to. There's a there's a race in a tunnel. I think it's a two hundred dollars as in the tunnel. Going to keep coming up with these extreme challenges and things that. Going to push you to the I think the biggest growth in running is more is more in the ultra mountain running things that Jim be the western states is the big one in the US other that has a limited field, but racist similar to that. Mrs that offer entries of that are growing. And I think suffering is a big part of that. But it's still a race. It's still something. You're gonna start out thinking, you've got a decent chance of finishing. I there's also this also basin. Interesting to see what, what else people come up with what is next few is going to be another ultra if say, which is it another false math, which sounded like it was still on the list? What's the next thing you? Yeah, I haven't seen nothing planned race wise. Ultraman is quite often. Disappointed. When I say, I'm quite keen to go back and do American, but partly because I feel like I could pretty much time but maybe only one more time. I know what I'm saying getting because I thought I was getting thirty five wasn't but while I'm still young enough to be able to do that. But I definitely will be doing all again, for sure. I mean, I'm ready jealous when I see people lining up for one hundred dollars, I know where they're going and what I think I'm one of these people do. Throughout the year. I can't see myself ever during the morning, not even that seems to often. But. I just I just say, I'm quite emotional. Takes a lot emotionally. Have line. I've got a whole series of. Running camps, which I organize, I was just gonna plug matching tell us because now book outrunning start this year. I'm doing an ultra running training camp in south Devon, which is. Basically any not. It's not super hardcore it's too long days back to back, and we'll look traveling technique and. Definitely downhill to take me, one of my strong points. And have some fun with that. And and you know. Fuelling strategies and all that kind of thing and just talk about people who interested gets no me and spend time with me, grilling me on, on things. I've learned along the way. So that's I have a website, which is called the way of the remedy called. And I was going to offer a ten percent discount on that camp to American listeners. Thanks very much special. Gift. Thank you from us. The listeners we'll put the link to that ownership knows as well. So they say when if anyone decides to sign up just mentioned that I heard this American tool. That's good enough. That's the secret code. Thank you. So finely you not totally. It's not going to be up just all tras. So maybe one of your future events might be a mild mile. Yvonne to the several times before having been on. So if you had the six months, perfect training just for the moment, just one hundred just flat as I can at the moment. What speed but you do interesting. So I remembered, I said, four thirty five bef-. Yes. Now. Having done altering training think that's going to slow me down. And also the fact that I'm older. I keep going on about it. On listening. It makes me feel. I'd be slower than before anything against that is. I, I talk about it in the. I do get mud running fungus a lot better. Actually, my park ones being even though I haven't trained tool specifically for them even while I was in the middle of ultra running training, I was running close to my fusses over. In the form work, I've been doing being it's been brilliant, and there's information on that in the book, but I still think I'd be a little bit slower than bef-. Then, then I imagine it would be. Just going to be more this. Perfect training. I've run for twenty nine mile in my notes in Maine, but then I was much younger, I'm gonna go for four forty slight slowdown K E are going to be running. She doesn't just because Liz planning on here is a she has thirty four but she also has a four forty maybe you've meeting outcome, second slow down sped up. I know. But let's, let's say maybe she had the same coined Voda, but that sounds very reasonable. So we'll, we'll put you want that as well. So you book on the sixteenth of may were linked to their thank you very much for, for coming to speak to us. Thank you. Right. Close out Marwell. Yup. To well, looking for some, some races holies got this dick Yetlis idea that her should should race each other over. I think it's ten miles. We think would be an ideal distance. Just as a fun night. Because we probably even the matched. So the longer we go, of course, in distance sees the superior specimen, given her tr- about Jesus keeps on grinding. Isn't she? What's the loser? The forfeit loser. What the other one is like face to attack. We, we haven't gone that far yet. He needs something you need a little bit of spice you need a little bit because otherwise, you'll just below it was no Spicer. You involved a needs to be a little bit of something to keep honest to make sure you both try. I wouldn't need it try. Anyway. So we haven't we haven't found anything yet. But tonight, I'm going to watch at my daughter's sing with the kingdom require which I'm really looking forward to actually. Yeah. The kingdom require fabulous choir that sang. I think they sang at the wedding of Harry and Meghan. Yes, it did. Yeah. They're, they're huge apps, del massive, and they sing amazingly well. And my daughter's school won a competition to sing with on the national tool. Wow. I know. So tonight's the night. That we are gonna go and watch. So we're all a bit emot-. Great. Yeah. We are looking to it billion in boom massage. Singing gospel choir. Pretty likey. Tell them Tom so excited. He's falling down the stairs. The office closing up everyone's going. Well, that's good luck to. That's absolutely amazing. I will be, of course grappling Mina Homa between now and June knife back next week show. We can catch up little bits. And by the way, I think we've got Steve way lined up for four conversation for next week shows no pushy, Steve. So podiums. We had these races that you'll basing in running over the next four weeks. Again, I think this weekend coming up so diverse June in western Sydney marathon, the Stockholm marathon. Also on the first of June delay plans, Coniston male marathon, that Derry wound city marathon, cork city marathon style valley marathon, all on Sunday, the second of June. That's a busy weekend. Nice. Then we can after subtly eighth of June the Heineken race to the tower. The roll Seattle marathon Sunday night, the strut third marathon, the life of the Hampshire, Hoppy. And of course, the comrades marathon. Who? The following weekend. It's the Manitoba marathon. That sounds good. The T alpine marathon, Nixon Stein, son. The fifteenth of June Sunday, the sixty nine and then in we can fall on Saturday. Twenty second of June. I think is the Saturday American I've always wanted to do we probably in. Every probably is one of the first marathons when I first into running, I saw, like in a magazine somewhere and really liked to do. Maybe. Two times the problem kids, and it's a nice place to go to Trump's. Oh. And we can do weekend away to Trump. So. To run the marathon. Share the better. Oh times single. Right. I've actually have to run for my train. I hate running between. So let's rip out there. I'm williams. He's Martine yelling in that was Maratha talk.

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French Open Day 7 - Osaka's Grand Slam Streak Ends; Serena Stunned By Kenin

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French Open Day 7 - Osaka's Grand Slam Streak Ends; Serena Stunned By Kenin

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If you include glorious preview show, the whole back catalogue is available if you'd like to dove into it, and get them out of date, tennis news. But yeah, we're going to be bringing you up to date Tennessee's from day. Eight from glorious absolutely scorching Saturday here in Paris myself, Catherine alongside. Matt Roberts with thanks to a distant David law for step into the breach last night after what was a very distressing experience. I'm pleased to say he it's in the past. I'm fine. Yeah, it was upsetting. And I'm, I'm slightly further upset that the I I've seen sort of seemingly no reaction from the French tennis federation from from Gaitho J about about the situation of because it was really, really serious in the incredibly lucky, I think no one was injured in which case the very lucky. But an overload of people were very, very distressed and to, to see that I looked a little bit disappointing. I recognize the, the argument that caught one is already Chadrel to be knocked down to this is only a problem for the next seven days and probably any to the next couple of days, or maybe even today because from from tomorrow, midst the co one OB not in use for the main singles action. But nonetheless, I would have liked to have seen it addressed in slightly more meaningful way, but bottom line no one was hurt, and that's an immense relief. And I'm very pleased to be back on the tennis podcast today to talk about Matt the world. Number one, crushing out at the hands of Katharina Seneca, and perhaps not surprisingly, so I mean on on one hand, you know, I was interpreting her previous struggles in the opening rounds as evidence of her being invincible, even when she. He's playing badly. But maybe they were in fact, evidence of her not quite being in the right form to win the French Open. I feel a fool. That's I feel a fool. Join the club. Yeah. The singles number one don't tell by the devil was number one. And sydney. Arc of a self said that I felt that there was an opportunity today. I send she wasn't reading into what we were reading into Asakusa smashes. We were seeing it as evidence that she was probably going to win this thing. But senior said, I felt like she wasn't playing with as much confidence. I went on the call with a game plan to disrupt her and with belief that I could. East that lying from Sony algorithm is thought? Substantiation to something that must be Lander said an infinitive yesterday about he thinks that oldest all these admissions is great as they are the medial, these admissions feeling pressure and around -cially at terrible terrible own-goal. Because you'll you're revealing your weaknesses to opponent. I mean my feeling is that emotions on weaknesses, but I mean senio Cavoe obviously, smelled an opportunity and took it. Yeah. Perhaps, but I think mainly, I got the impression that scenario was just simply reading into south because results, less own terms of, maybe what she'd been saying, and for me, the, the great thing about a soccer as much great for us. She's so honest and Oakland and so forth impressed. I, I do really think for her because we've seen a press conference today, it was almost we were just talking about it was almost like a cathartic experience for it was she used it to put today behind. Away. She's in credit ratings appointed about it. She said on a on a disappointment scared of one to ten I'm a hundred and disappointed. Math yet. But point taken. Eight point taken and press conference started out with a great big dark cloud over it. She was really. Appointed did it feel strange in the room, visit assertive did it feel like adult side, live, disappointed, Japanese journalists that aren't gonna get space in that paper that they would have been guessing Asaki continued to, to progress, you know, these results have an impact on everyone. Yeah. But she did open up as the press conference went on. And she started to gain a bit of expected on clinical season had been her best one yet. About three yet. Not a not a great sample size that, but. It's a step forward on clay for her. It's a it's a step back in terms of what she was hoping to do. And, and she admitted that trying to win kinda grand slam on her mind. And she thinks that may have had a negative effect and the best thing for her now. She said is losing, because that's that's gone. Now that pressure. She said, this really endearing thing about, oh, well, I realize now, why so people have done it, yet it turns out, it's really helps really hauled, but it was quite shocking to be welshing ho and not seeing her summoned her best because I mean she was sentenced to down and I just casually tossed out too. Unfortunately, many people us definitely gonna win this. I didn't have down to my mind. And there was a lot of evidence as to why we should think, like that because she's been in this situation so often, but I think I think it just puts it into focus. How incredible her run has been because this, this run could have should have ended earlier. She's been on the brink so many times and yet because of who she is because have special she she's manage the pope through just today. She didn't have it. And we now have the answer to the question of how do you beat name a socket at a slam? How do you how did she and will it work against Madison keys in the next round? You're watching like a whole Matt. Yeah. I've just I just think Madison keys, coin. Coasts are major keys in that she always peaks, these. Gilbert Stanley name possibly possibly Ruini. But it's true her record these SAM's is so consistent. I didn't have time to fully look at the stat, but I think of the past seven slam. She's been the most consistent player in terms of reaching the second week four around, obviously, her barrier seems to be quarterfinals semifinals, especially medicine cases can can she win a slam but not having to face sunk, you'd think we'll be helpful for, but Sydney Aqaba. Credit to because she played a three hour ten minute match against Sakari and came out today looking like the more energetic one, there's something Sokha, kept saying about how tired, she was almost as though there was like a weight on her because of the whole number one because of everything she was trying to achieve, but she admitted senio Covad had reason to be tired as well. And she didn't let that get to. It's another good effort for playing doubles isn't it feels like those pros. The pro Colin for singles players playing doubles longer longer longer. Yeah. I like it. No. She's, she's a, she's a player who uses her doubles skills you see on the singles coach. She plays with riot. See, and it just makes anything I just give it just gives her knowledge have handle experiences of matches as we told there are still number much is that, oh, well just getting underway or yet to get underway because they were should Jolanda lost on. Today. Serena Williams against civic, and we both likes vacant. We do we. I mean, that might be the last time you mentioned mostly, and if it's not we might come back for, for an emergency pod. But that's what's gonna head of ash party against Petra Petra bitter. Andrea Petkevich that is still to come on season. Lynn, the winner of those matches have dismembered just mentioned to meet in the fourth round now might be a while before Petkevich and, but you get onto them land, because Dominic team is embroiled Matt. He's very much embroiled. These two sets to one and four five against public Cuevas. It's not where you want to be no more. Sure to make of teams level in this tournament. Really, I thought he was going to really have a good, French Open. But he's now lost a set in every match and his I kind of saw his role in this draw as to be the one who might take some lakes away from the Dow. Of Asia's junk, racist half. But if he gets there. You. He's going to have himself to take Djokovic away, and I think face would be his next match on feast soup by ridiculous. Contrast has been recently efficient versus under the radar face to it. Yeah, it is, is movies is a thing. I think. I think I think he's a big threat to team if team comes through this, and I wouldn't have thought that at the start of the tournament teams tennis just doesn't seem to be to be there. Thanks to be that. It's, it's sort of an of ten at the moment for team. And we'll know it needs to be a ten out of ten to, to contend mafia said, wreath ac- efficient against horn, his fellow Frenchman that was Chateauguay earlier also much. We saw some Mona Holly this morning finally at a straight sets win. And if I like she was trying to lower her average on court time with a sixteen six one win over leashes Ranko a very limp e leashes rancor, apparently, she's got a reputation as being a bit of a an injury exaggerated. But she looks pretty convincingly injured to me. Looked very good. Indeed. Yes, who has been who's had the had the Lurgi a little bit. She's had a stomach bug through the first few days, one of one of many see the McCullough below. That I've seen if she is. I'm sure she's in a suite of the tall. Yeah, it was the kind of performance he needed just a best of the week. I'm not sure it was a plus but it was better than in a previous matches. She says she thinks about the win. Here, lost says she thinks about lifting that trophy every single day every single day. And she said in a an initiative, it came out in, in the New Yorker this week really interesting insight into sign a halif, she said that the night that she, she won the title last year, she slept with the trophy in the bad longside, and the next morning. She wake up, and it was the first thing that she saw. And she just grinned for me to I'm say pleased to hear that. She enjoyed that moment that win every much every bit as much as she hoped she would because so often these feelings a bittersweet aren't they all either bittersweet all the same disbelief the able to appreciate them? I think that was the case for. Murray when he went his first Lama and winning one is first Wimbledon. And it, it was such a contrast when he won his second Wimbledon title. It was zippy something much more Pule about emotion is always the next thing to win. Isn't there, particularly if you win wrote on Garros because within a month? You've got another grand slam. Yeah. We'll I remember interviewing halibut Wimbledon and she said, I feel it. Wimbledon's just come TC the the, the tennis stories. Just relentless, give me a moment. I need to stop time turning, so I can enjoy what I've just done. I found that. I mean so we'll be is so, yeah, of course you want to go and enjoy something. But it's all silvery. Transient somehow. What else did you see on trae? He was saying, don't Cheshire the conclusion cry innovate which turned into a really good match. I think started getting really good late yesterday evening. Our eyes were on a texture. Jim was elsewhere about cryan vich fought back in that third set yesterday looked like he was gonna take four sit surpass ended up leveling them action. They resumed today at five or in the third, and sit surpass came out today, and he misses he was low on energy levels really low paid for his big match against for tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone was on their entered into seats about that one. But I think I think renovate she's underage implies. Go scholz. He's quite stylish with it as well. And he just had an absolute stink co any wins for the full four unforced errors, and then sit surpass raised in the tie-break. And I think he really felt the importance of getting it done in four because of his energy levels being quite low an ill-timed stinker. Yes, we will. I had one at lunch. Oh, you didn't go for the for the child, because I feel yesterday meet penned up badly today. Safe option? Trout's dreadful. Absolutely pile of Marsh. Save for the remainder of this tourmament, I will be tempting t proved that they read that a person can survive on chips chips alone. Today was actually my first meal without chips. What did he have rose potatoes instead with the lamb? Was it? Lovely lovely. How long was the key behind you? To be honest, right? Okay. Well, I just keep getting it wrong. Chips. It is for me from now on what else have we go? Well, season-long Lynn. His see was still think Dominic team could be seeing dominate team for an awful lot longer. We seen sashes VAR of Josh should we joke of it. We probably joke, which was, I keep I keep sort of bumping and down the running order, because it was so, so on, on notable in it in its efficiency, and I mean, it was just brilliant. He was just Berlin. Yeah, I've not I've not works, the huge amount of Djokovic this tournament because there's more of South Korea say, who am nimbly avoiding. Not much about sees the world, number one hundred forty seven I think he'd probably admit to being surprised finding himself in the third round. And by name means disgraced himself, but talk, which is he's just too good for guys like that. He is. And he's doing a very good job of. Winning matches efficiently and easily. And it's, it's easy to forget the pressure surrounding him. It is told me that he is going for a slice of history, which she stakes that would really elevate him. I'm not sure how he can be innovated much more. But this would be it. This is Bill. Feels. He needs to be elevated year. And this is this is the thing now that can alter his status. So too haven't done. I really fixate on the FOX the federal hasn't got that Olympic singles gold, I think, in his mind that is being because, you know, in an adult has has that an impact singles gold Anne has the head to head against federal. These are all things that, that will be strice against, you know, just the grand slam title you count. And I think those are important for Jovic and this would be an enormous and so far. He's yeah. He's doing a fantastic job of just coasting through. I mean he's had a kind draw, but he's making the most of it. And now he gets to play his true for. Can I knew see will be sort of wield on for that much in some kind of wheelchair or stretcher role? I mean how is he going to have anything left off to four and a half hours against Buna rich today? A brilliant brilliant match. I think church served for it in the fifth. Yeah. And had had a stink. God, he's big and strong straight. He's built in the verve Rinker, mold isn't he and the comparisons to Reverend. I would say go one further in that he's a bit of a late bloomer, because he's twenty nine and I was I was just feel like he's been under ranked for so long. He's had is had he's got weapons whenever I walked shame. I think strips good. And yet, he's never used to that about people true. But this year, he's had a load of top twenty wins. I think this year, and this is his best result, a slam and giving into I mean I, I watched what Lord of that match with born a chore at shown on court, fourteen was it fantastic. Atmosphere is a brilliant match. Any any he was. He was great. But I, I just cannot see how he's going to have anything in the time to take on Djokovic, which is your nightmare opponent. If you've got nothing. But there was something very cruel about washing that match single the effort, they were putting in knowing that your officials just waiting in the next. Yeah. But all other things being equal. If they're both going into that much the same number to stresses. If freshness is drift, somebody that could trouble Djokovic, big beefy strong, nothing as a match up more so than shortage. We saw we saw convention absolutely tight church apart. I think it was in Shanghai last year in the final maturity was in his best form beating Federer in the semi's. But then he came up against Joe conviction. It was like that whole Nishikori thing, okay? This matchup just doesn't work for charge. Junk fish just does everything better, but strove with a big serve and a huge forehand. You'd think could punch some holes. Because he's going to be walking lot. My grandma onto go for that one as very, very hung on he'd made it Matt into round four. But what was he doing? Slow against Shenoy vich. And we will no it's not ending their and, and here. And here he is. And then he finds it. So he loses the third set. Fine yet you're expecting that and then he pretty much time Zohreh it seems he gives a breakdown in the fourth, you know that sets gone he knows that sets gone. He did make it through in five to those unnecessary. This was over. Dijon live. It did beat him. Halos Jisr positives to their positive boys to cling to in an ocean of doubt for Alexander's VERA, but boy is he a frustrating watch at the moment, continuing continuing to be. Yeah. And I'm just getting a bit tired of it. I just think part of me when I wash when I'm watching thinking, okay, this is really compelling. This is a big seed in a battle. I want to watch it but equally I'm thinking, well, this is so police. But we've seen this over four why can't he scenario surrounding me? Just. -posedly because he doesn't have a coach with them. I know his dad is very involved. But I was watching of that much. We've Philander I was putting your theory to that, that he's pushed the Lendl button to seen that, that by pushing the Lendl button, he was sort of saying, well, he thinks he's me a needs that won't extra ingredient next shoe sprinklers. Something special to get him over the grand slam line. And actually need to give a lot more than that. And lenders lenders not the guy to be the today the pod, he's not the guy to do any yards. He's playing golf in Florida. Whatever he's doing stocking up on period, tone. I mean he might yet make an appearance. He knows going deep. I think is what he said, would be the zurve going. Deep would be the circumstances that he said today, you'll see him for the girls, right? Okay. He's coming tool, even if even if it goes deep, right? So we could have the scenario where on exempted wins the French Open, and his coach even Lindell is not if he's not going to win. Right. I just. Worrying about. Let's just and the thing is he does get. Alight verify like that. He's quite charming, quite funny. It interviews. But this aside from, which is really quite defensive about everything, and you'll get asked the question already answered that and the Ken miss doesn't necessarily they don't wanna read now cream. The it's that element of his approach to press conferences. The I find extremely read, actually, I'm really take issue with that because the, the arrogance of it to you sort of saying, well, haven't you attended every single one of my press conferences in the past? And if you haven't how day you and why haven't you read the transcripts? Yeah. It's, it's so dismissive, and arrogant. And it. Any other elements to I find really charming monster saying he thinks he needs to have more of a sense of humor about his game he needs to sit down and watch that live which match with the coach. Date night and sort of have a laugh at it. Have someone take take the piss out of him and say, why didn't one did he back cans? Why did he gave that short? Then that was ridiculous thing to do. What are you playing? There was one good sign in today. He said something along the lines of I obviously haven't figured out what best to five means because I seem to think that it means. So that was quite funny, but. Equally yet figure out what some means, and what are you doing to try and figure it out? He because his, his game is joke of it's like and joke vich like you sort of metronomic efficiency, and that's what he that's what he's game is built for is not. Yeah. The grinding from meters behind the baseline is just not a good look for someone who's got so much to offer. It's it's frustrating, but he won. And he plays Fanin any face Fanini and. I think Fanini is a factor here. I mean he's already exists any his second time ever into the fourth round of Islam. Is that right now? You and I, I if I I don't know. Recessed zone, the ever reached the quarterfinals slam once. I was placed so leave the stats to Matt. That's what we've learned. He's nearly that. And if were to beat him, it would be by far his best win ranking wise at a slam. I think I mean today is his best friend wasn't exist. News is second best win ranking was k- note to self again two months. Yeah. To me Juma was his best win at a slam ranking wise zone. This very of that's not the same Arizona's verve who's number three in the world. Been number three in the world and won. The was one mousters curiosity. Yeah. But yes, I think Fanini goes into that mashes is a favor. I agree. I think beating Roberta bautisa good today. Full sets I think it was that felt big. There's a, there's a year, econ cheat beating relative Battista get econ go out there and gate on just gonna be flashy. And, and you know Wayne with my focus and concentration, and yeah, it goes my way. Oh when you've got to go out there with the with the game face on with a suit of workmanlike acid cheese to, to your job. These words we associate with five even any but he did it today. And you'll say I felt like it could have fallen away from him when he was two sets love up the nanny TC gets the an could have gone. Oh, hang on mainly. Could go off it all sorts could start going down. He didn't he studied the ship and he just proceeded in an orderly fashion towards the finish line. And these are things that you just don't say about Fabiani. Yeah. I thought I was too lightly outcomes of that match one we'll pay that finishes has his best tennis and had too many options and was able to kind of pick by Easter in a way that we've seen federal to quad law that didn't happen, another likely scenario, I thought it was probably see store, which is grind Fanini down after we long Samphan, any would basically, give up that didn't happen and to his immense credit Fanini just thought I need to go into War, I need to go into the trenches to beat this guy and. He did that. And that is, that's a really positive sign that Feeney's able to put use that kind of tennis before, we have a quick look ahead to tomorrow, Matt. You've you've got a need darling. And I suspect you want to talk about it because she's actually done a thing. Yeah. The one. Mentioned least might be the best. Very young. She she's had a eighteenth birthday seven weeks in between. Last two victories. Yeah. Is it ego? I e Negus we at tech via tech. Of Poland, and she beat Monica pre from a from a bagel. I set I was I was very tempted to message. What's that group saying, why do I always? Possible predictions, and the worst possible people. All your sports producer, Thome hit works incredibly hard, and he's pretty much chained to a desk in a windowless room. And and today he decided Ryan for the week of this. I haven't seen tennis bull strong. I'm going to go out and I'm going to watch some tennis and Annabel Croft zone. She says that Twitter, she's she's going on about a real fan of everything. She saw her on route to that, genie title at Wimbledon last year and Saotome days. All right. Got caught number one, and I'm going to check out the future of tennis in Egypt spits, actually. Nia takes seat. And she leaves his five games in a row comfortable in court. And he comes back, and he goes, I don't feel seen the features tennis. And then maybe he's just some sort of bad luck. Yeah. Yes. I mean she's great. She has a lot of to. She has a she has an incredible kick serve, which is such a weapon in women's tennis. Some stays. Yeah. So, and I'm really interested. I need to watch more of it. But I'm really interested in that. She's played clearly well on graphs. And with a kick serve really transfers, well to the clay, you see more of her against next on the drug. I'm just to see me night. She's got some. She's got some. Which probably pad news. A plate that we. Match that must not be named. Brief, it doesn't exactly bring up t- many memories, how is McGowan Bolsover who I can't quite remember, her first name? But I've decided she's, she's my. Allio. Ena. Anti ENA Bolsover unexpectedly of Spain. She is taken to the court against Alexandrova at the moment. I quit. I mean yeah, she sounds cool. Yeah. She does. But we didn't she's one yet. So we'll avoid talking about high too much. She takes on the wind of the one of Anisimov against begging also just getting underway say this quite still to be resolved a Nissim over another one with the Lurgi because she pulled out of doubles yesterday. With the thing, a viral infection, I think so responsible for this Lurgi the meat supply, they had role count, that is where it is going wrong for me yesterday with my raw cow lunch. It was literally bleeding. Of course, the plane it was disgusting. Anyway, tomorrow, it's day. Shut trae features federal dole back to back in the middle t matches if the day on the shed you're quite interesting at she starts off over there with the multi each against Canetti and rounds off with Moog Rita against Stevens. That's not where to put that much. But. I don't know about all the factors that go into that will replay. But yeah, I'm putting agree, Steven's second or third second or third. We all know these that the, the Prime Sports, that's where it'd be putting that much speech. Kim clauses. That much show today. She's I said, if the both play their best to wins, she said Stevens agreed. Agreed. I mean disagree with Kim. Clutch feel that way about every match Brits. David, I, I believe when she plays Ben's, she's the best tennis plant even Serena, even Serena, I would still say Serena. Mainly because of three to serve. I just think she can. Hold her service game so easy. When she's playing well and that. Agreed hasn't been we talking about a best that doesn't exist anymore, possibly. But I I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just saying there is the question she has played some, the old very good match in the main one, I think of that. That if Serena finds that level she she will win every match. She plays, I think including Stevens, but agreed Mugabe Stevens. Tomorrow's fascinating, not much to go ahead, Ted's one. All never played on fly. That much is the pick of them on chat trae for me this the against Mayan doll against London. Ray of avoided that because I know nothing. Nothing about I think he's first name is one. Yeah. One on that. Oh ocean? Tinian. Good on. That long is the place to be it starts with from through survivor of several Stover, which is great. Dropshot against the just the, the great and essays this Avesta. And then straight concert against Donovan or speak to her today. Sri nice don't advocate. She didn't give me anything. I said, oh, what would would you expecting from that concert? I'm expecting a great match bit specifically. Tennis wise tactics was, would you expect to you? I'm just not great tennis match. K she went all Amanda. Good luck donor. I'll see you tomorrow. And then it is sit pass against Brinker. What's happening man? Well, I'm salivating peddling. If this much appoint. Then we'll just go. Yeah. Yeah. The thing about STAN arguably impressed me even more against Trump atropine did against Garin because Garin he he was just firing winners all over the place. It was insane. But today he showed what he's showed in grand slams before is an ability to play long points to hassles defend to make matches physical and that's something he mentioned tomorrow that he wants to make physical against it surpass, he, even though he's giving up while ten twelve years on sit surpass, I still think he thinks he's got the physical agent that match he doesn't say an awful lot to the press. Denver rinky sued if one of these people that really likeable but then you think he's saying lot, but he's really not saying much at Olen said, if I did a shoot in with him off the, the, the, the demonstra of resumption today in dreaded is a transcript it wouldn't have given you anything until about the sits at pass much. But boy, did he ever Clinton is. I, I mean he looks me like. Ridiculously confident man, I think it went unknown. His draw is horrendous nothing. He's going to I'm not changing. I thought you were predicting. That matt. Definitely a hundred percent in the makes something he did mention that really helped him unquote. One was the crowd. I felt so energized fun of a pack stadium. Well, I can confirm that it was packed give impact about four thousand times. But, but I'm saying I hope longliners packed somewhere. I'm sure it will be. But I was worried that if that was on shed trae, we've seen a week that the lower bowl of shut trade, the proceeds are just not full fetters plane, basically. Eric CEO, French is is really campaigning hard lobbying near fifty to introduce some kind of bums on seats policy, which have a Jew positive impact. And if alleviating the the. The, the crowds, and the, the buffalo necks and also. Have we providing better crowns, these glorious cinema tennis matches and the leash they could do is move the VIP area up obeyed, so the, the optics of seeing the core and empty seats round the call. So it's full ride at the tone, but the optics of no on there by the core is just really bad must be sort of funding for the players, Mary. Carillo. Privee. Proposed a an elevated walkway system. A, some soda Salesian and yeah. I mean do it my position off the s today is do something something needs doing look into it's difficult under the site is the size that it is. But. Figure it out kids, something needs doing. So this week's edition of the tennis podcast is brought to you in association with arse who have centers Casteran the Sonos beam this speaker that Tatchio television, and so you can feel like you within a tennis match. It's, it's amazing. They've also sent one to Matt. His tally doesn't work look at his face. He's not very you haven't even got Italian. David. Storm, watching the tennis is we, it is good map. It is is worth waiting. Five heard. Yeah. Yeah. If you choose tin with troop lake right? You can go anywhere in your room and it will make you feel like you're Anna tennis tournament from any seat from your phone, or with voice commands viral exit, which for the people of a Lazier persuasion. Maybe like myself, it's topnotch perfect for gonna look send us dot com. And we're back. I'm not ninety mean one thing, it means that I've had a very disappointing dinner involving some soggy vegetables, and some lamb and Serena Williams has followed name soccer out of the French Open matinee. Currently watching live pictures of Sonia slash severe cannon. We're going to urge cle- figure out what we should be calling a by because she has just beaten Serena Williams, and is being interviewed by for recenter on the Philip Shatri court had died is watching on. She's really Moceanu. She can barely believe it. She Oviously was containing an awful lot throughout the course of those two cents during which she beat Serena Williams because paulie, wishy feisty and composed for those two sets. Yeah. But it looked like a serious deal together with the line, didn't it? We don't we don't actually often watch tennis together really doing something that rarely happens that we got up to unity. But we were both gripped by what we just saw because that's that's Serena, whatever isn't it? Whenever someone is trying to beat her. You're not just trying to win that max. You're trying to your plan. The oars Serena, and Kenan is the perfect personality, type to have to handle that you, you put it so. Well, what you said about how you con- intimidate Safiya cannon. Yeah. There's a bit. Daniel Collins Vassar isn't Shane Serena Williams. That's very small essay, that's a huge part of her tactics. When she steps on kind of school is to try and intimidate your opponent is one countless matches of the is. It's been the it's been the expediter and civic. And it wasn't having any of it if I called her both on your answer fail already. In this minute and a half of podcast. She's not having any of it. She's impervious to same as Daniel Collins, it probably is extremely grating. If you're at the other end of the tennis, cool, but always ineffective. I notice the perfect personality type for an upset, we are mind auction. This went back to Melbourne with Daniel Collins playing Angelique Kerber scoreline when we started watching this similar canon was up a set in the break and use it to me, Matt, who's your mind, the on, then I said, Kennan because she's not going to be intimidated by the situation. But then to her credit when Sweeney did break back. We both thought okay now Serena away with this, but Kenan kept it together and go another break. And that was a huge the admirable Kenan will now play Nash party, who's one three all say during the period while I was eating my disappointing dinner. The still remaining unquote is NS move against bega, she baby. She serving for it. They. And it's amazing. You much is said to me thinks he thinks she has the best background in tennis. I feel quite strongly about. Absolute marvel her back, and she do anything with it. I'm gonna make sure I get see that up close on will will it be Monday when she next base. And it's a my ever will play both of yes, we need to she has one. Nevermore never in doubt. Well, I mean, the French Open app doesn't know anything about you click on her name, where is she going to have to do a lotta scrolling here? Live scrolling. That's what people teen into the tennis, postal we'll call it was she he she is he click on Eliana flinton the name now you click on only ended Bolsover six to seven five over Alexandra, you click on her, and it says, wait nothing height, nothing main hand nothing. They don't even know which hands. She holds the racket in. I think we will need to do a little bit learning about Elena. Bolsover say that is the expected round of sixteen much reading not going to be in it just as a final thought Matt. What does this mean for Serena does is it kind of meaningless in terms of the grass cool season? I put the question to you. If you minutes ago, do we think she'll play a warm-up tournament on grass because evidently not playing a lot of matches at the moment is not panning out brilliantly for her. What does it mean are in a completely unprecedented situation? Her career. Now, I think she's, I think this is the longest stretch of slams that she's played not one, one. And it just feels like every with every passing slam. It gets harder. But this, this, the French Open without much warmer, poem clay. And how these favorite surface was always going to be the one which would have been the toughest coming up. She's probably got her two best shots, when would in the US open. But who say the most pressure that foreign, it's the ferry evidence me, not least because she's admitted to it, but is very evident how much he's feeling the pressure we sued for the body language from her not much that we not used to seeing sort of doing that squeezing her thumb in full finger over the bridge. If a news thing that people do, only in times of Maine, strat, Heddon, strife. Yeah. So Hoddinott mean she's gonna come to press shortly. We'll have listened to what she has to say. If there's anything notable we bring it tomorrow. Of course, the knee injury is another question, Mark. Patrick more Toby said to me few days ago that, yes, she's paying playing in a certain. Have pain, but he believes that it's, it's not anything to be hugely concerned about, so lots of question marks will she get to twenty four months? Oh, he's, he's done a face at me. Like, all right. It's not fair question here, though. I have I have to do my bit come on. I still think she will, I liked the Andy Roddick quoted he gave us on the podcast, just because I know how damn stubborn she is. So, yes, I would I would say she still will. If it doesn't happen this year, I think. Income might be changing my own. So I think these two next to slams are going to be so fascinating in the crew. Meanwhile, the David Lewis at the boss, even when a slam this year opened. And she is in the mix once again, we've been the tennis podcast, fourteen association with the Telugu for their executive produces tennis balls dot com with rare with a Y, and that really is it for tonight. We'll be back tomorrow.

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French Open Day 9 - At The Champagne Bar With Mary Carillo

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French Open Day 9 - At The Champagne Bar With Mary Carillo

"Hello, everybody. This week's addition of tennis podcast is brought to you in association with sewn us who produce those incredible speakers. And we've been sent one Catherine to get family. Sonos beam is my second already have one regular sewn awesome. This is it's, it's an addition to my Sonos family. Very welcome. One makes you feel that your tennis tournaments sit in your chair Phil at the balls are whistling buyer. They've also sent one to Matt but his television. Bring him into become sation, but wasting. Wasting go words good. Have it Suns dot com. If you'd like to have let hi, I'm John McEnroe and board. This is Martina Navratilova. I'm Mats Wilander. I'm Sandra Rohingya enlighten, you. I'm Andy Murray. And you're listening to the tennis podcast. Hello, welcome today. Nine of the French Open day. Nine of the French Open daily tennis podcast myself, Catherine rich alongside might robots. And because yesterday, we declared or other my father declared that the French Open was over because the rink is said to pass couldn't be told we have to think about what we could do to. Extend those Hines for another day. I think we've managed it woke America. Really? Oh, very nice. I understand you're leaving met. I am leave the rookie of Roman garrels and you're leaving anyway. Because tournaments over. And yet, we play on named his run perfectly true. I guess that's true. But here's what there's my own private theory about. Why met is leaving they keep watering these courts and the grass isn't coming up. So he's just going back to England. Is that is that your reason it's t- long on the clay for a Brit? There's a couple of reasons. One is I literally have run out of clothes. The and the if only journalists abided by these fools of cleanliness. Yeah. And yeah. Grasp season starts Casey's was pretty good. It was great. And the veteran says the playing on plays is the best preparation for playing on gross because because he thinks it's possible to play on grass Fatu long is possible to have to you can sort of grow rusty wild playing. You're saying on gross you'd like her shit, the bowl clay you properly swing through the ball. And if you spend too long gross, you end up. Yeah, this is your shows exactly on clay, you've swing fully and freely. So he's doing that'll McGrath's washout, everyone else out of this is the surf this is this is the games classroom, as far as I'm concerned. This is where you learn how to move had to attack how to defend headed transition. This is to me the service that teaches more people how to play tennis in any, and I think, is the most enjoyable for me. It's the most enjoyable surface to watch tennis on because you. You see, so many more strokes and patterns and see what someone is made of two. Yeah. Because you've got a you've got to win a match on clay. You can't just bum down serve. You've got a you've got to think about it, and you go to construct and it's been a joy to work, so many of these matches on clay up close. That's for me. What separates the Frank show from from the other slams? It's also the only major where they speak French, that is also the other three majors were, you know, all I speak as American, thank goodness is the major, I speak French, but it's a little bit much isn't it here? Identify speak. French. No, it it's sold destroying conversation in French, and they speak back to you in English. I can't take it anymore. I always tell people the best thing to do when you show up in another country you go to a children's, you know, you go to you turn on the TV for children show and they speak. Nice and slowly and they use their hands. Not that it's ever helped my friend. Mine has only gotten worse over the years, I to Dimitri Zevulun earlier, the coach of Joe contests of the last eight or nine months. He had never done a press conference. Never looked like it never seen a journalist before in his life, the poor thing. I mean actually what he had to say with who's pretty good. He was pretty insightful about about Jake onto the look on his face when he walked into press conference during two, and so we're about twenty five waiting British journalists, and he obviously was just rethinking all of his life, choices that led him to that moment, what has he done for Joe? What did he say? She's done in Houston. He says that it, it it's I mean digging through the long pauses and the quivering lip. And the sort of I, I wanted to stop mitt into you and just give him a hug hug, and tell him, it was going to be okay. And it would be oversee. And he'd probably never have to do this again. He's probably going to go until Joe all the wrong things that she loses doesn't have to go through that experience again bless him. I think I mean he thinks it was all there and he's just only had to unlock it. I think he's not giving himself quite enough credit there. I think keeping things extremely simple for her learning that it has to be about her. He I think he has to make her feel like the decisions the tactics coming from her is almost, like, you know. Therapy Fugate to therapy, the therapist, never told, you know it's very annoying. We'll eat out. She always let she just leads you in the right direction or he and then you can come up with it yourself. I think that is what they've gone going on too. I want answers, I, I want, I want somebody to tell me the answer is twelve yet, but yeah, no good this I've always compared coaching parenting. The whole idea is to make yourself up. So the whole ideas, create this fully foreman being who knows that his home problems and knows how to stand up and knows how to win and lose. I mean that's what yeah. I think I think that is the ultimate coaching and how much was coming to using Soviet off for the coaching. I got the impression that the heat doesn't really believe in she, she doesn't really necessarily she doesn't believe in it, but she's convinced of the merits of not engaging with it because I can't imagine ho become becoming reliant on that. If it's something that she that, she is doing regularly. And I think I think it's paying off me, please give is not a fan of it about how that could have harmed risk of Tiso chances here, the feather, she cheat on this. Yeah. I still is still back at being a good thing. I just think the inconsistency is a bad thing. I mean, a ridiculous thing we're to how big of story is Joe Konta in your country compared against Rafa and Roger interesting. It's a tough time because there's a cricket World Cup going on which we're, we're actually pretty good at that. Now. Simon Briggs his orbit checked out of the tenants. He was talking about the cricket on the tennis book guy. He's, he's sneaking crooked analogy in left. Right. And center. So he crickets happening. The women's will cuff is about Typhon quite good at that. So we unexpectedly quite good at a few sports at the moment. But I think onto makes waves normally we'll get a sport. So you sit down by cycling rowing backwards. Yeah. I think the telegraph leading with Joe control way leading, which are content whenever she's doing well and she seems happy, she does seem happy. I like that. She allowed herself. Well, except you said to us, it really stuck with this, that pretournament press conference USA, minor holidays have blanket when she's winter happy. There's a there's a there's a. This is the perfect amount of happiness. Yeah. Joe contact now the continental tire perfect level. How about Raj? I mean how I mean here's a guy who's, so he's going for twenty first major and look at look at it. And Serena is so fraught trying to, you know, tie record and go pass it. I mean, they have a totally different Rogers. He is not fraud is a he's not. He's not fruit for women is, is never even occurred to him to be wrought. Exactly. Right. Isn't that something and he doesn't fight fraud? It's just it just doesn't occur to it's really remarkable. Is it a great mind game that he's playing with him? So the, the whole yeah. Just feel like I did in January two thousand seventeen. Oh, did I win that glass? I did. Yes, say, sure, yes. Is it a big mine game? Is it a big sort of tricky playing on his own mind note needs of bother with that certifying by it? I, I don't think he's I think he's genuinely. I've gotten to know him a little bit and Paul Annacone. I worked with him at tennis show, and he's told me stories like, yeah, he's who lose a really tough match to want to go out to dinner that night. And, you know, unlike poured Stephan, Assisi policy was I, I have to tell you, I I was heartsick for him because I love that match. But I loved his react. I love how much it gut at him. I thought that was the greatest re-. I mean I it was hard to watch, but, boy, it just says so much about how ambitious this guy is allow me to provide you with more evidence there of Mary, because listening to the daily friendship open because we'll know that I've staying the same. Tell is definitely sits pass the dream of the mkx. You'll double I think is, is there's no one left in the menstrual Sparty remains she can do it for the mkx. You'll there's no one left in the men's draw say. The double is off. It will I mean we've never really on because Madonna wasn't staying time. Kiki buttons. I'm Stephanie sitter pass in the breakfast room and I thought I could be I could be dining champions in two weeks time not happening. But I suppose deficits us this morning in reception. He was set up is at me look, I was waiting for taxi. He was dressed in sweatpants, and a hoodie and the hoodie was so shrouding his face that he looked like a nas- goal from Lord of the rings. He was face was literally in darkness, and he was crying, and he was crying. He was crying yet. His head in his hands. He was crying, the sort of glancing destroying every now and then he looked kind of restless. He had this tattered looking backpack down beside him and eventually, he picked up the backpack. He won't off into the Paris not sunset. It should have been sunset. But like eight o'clock in the morning. Bushy that ruins the story. He walked off into Paris, seemingly aimlessly. And then about thirty seconds later. He tweets what did he tweet -ment retreated? I'm always a loner. Yeah. I I'm a loner always was, wow. This one of the most poignant moments of my whole life. Not only what he wrote when he posted after the match, but then he also be also used the Samuel Beckett Tatoune from Stanford Rinker. I mean this guy's we we use that Mary when we didn't get nominated for a British podcast award. And, and I see I see that you to have to we, we've quoted amongst ourselves, many times on what that group. But I thought that message on to its on Instagram wasn't it long posted congratulating STAN and saying, this was something you could never explain experience before. I thought that was gonna be a kind of catharsis for him. But sounds like this morning. He hadn't slept a wink and still completely thinking is a pitcher of utter despair utter despair, just it was, we alone was whose father was a line, there was no CC pasta, and it was actually the first time I've seen him in the hotel allowing the whole time he's always been this, Dan. You know breakfast is data be talking talking talking him in Stephanos. Is there sort of you see sort of furry Brown trying to take it all in really intense look on his face, but it's Dan who is doing the talking? And then he was a line in the McHugh reception, the dream of the McClure double. Dying. That's. Yeah, but I love that he's using his social media to actually send messages that mean something under the understands because he admitted the other day when he posted these messages in ancient Greek. He doesn't even know what they mean. You gotta like that, just throwing it down. There's no attempt to be cool, which is what I like about him. So Healy Wimbledon, I think this, I think he's got the goods. I don't know that it's this year, but I I'm such a believer hip, you know, my theory cuts, and treasure with Matt about apex predators. So should I throw this? All right. Jared, featuring only this only happened because I'm doing a story about sharks, and I went into a deep dive as she does as. Onto and shorts ruled the watery world. And then I read on and it sounds like orcas love eating sharks. Orcas are the emperors of that particular ecosystem. So then I start going even crazier further. And I look and see polar bears rule ice, but mountain lions Ruth, snowy mountains and eagles air in the air. And so now I'm thinking, that's who is the apex predator of tennis. So I, I'm thinking, all right. Top of the food chain used to be Raj. Right. But then Rafa came along and was hungry to play him. And now Novak Djokovic comes along and he has an appetite for both of their games. So he becomes the apex predator, and he has no natural enemies, right? Except himself when he went away, right? And he and he lost himself, and he's his hunger. And now he's got it back. I feel he is the apex predator of men centers and touring. The use to be the apex predator. Of women's tennis. And will she ever get that hunger back enough discuss with Matt Roberts can belly contain the key of the tennis in of tennis, analogy heaven? He's a brilliant theory brilliantly explained. So are you saying that in order to be the next apex, predator men's tennis? You've got to be hungry for everybody every game and everything. And how do you become hungry for your Vicki's game? Correct. Well, that's thing. I mean, the great thing about CC poces he has been able to beat the best on their best service. I think that he could. In fact, I don't think he was born to just be tennis player. I mean this guy I think he there's something kingly about him. Don't you think he wants to rule? And that's why to your to your question Catharine can he win Wimbledon? If not this year, I here's his problem. His toss is so crazy that he can't always hit it spots. Once he the we did it. We did a thing Jim curry nine did a thing on your showing how variable his his his tosses. So. And I mean so he's not even serving as well as he possibly can. He's not volleying as well as he possibly, how easy to correct. Is that the boltholes it, it takes the weakest part of my game? About your tolls. I, I mean, I've spent hours just tossing bull often, I cannot do it. You can't toss it. You have to place it. It makes my I've done a lot of tennis coaching. And that's why I always tell everybody don't toss it, please. And is that is as simple as that was? It's no. Right. Okay. But no, I got into this thing with Paul. Annacone Hoya also work with the tennis show poll thinks Taylor frizzes the unamerican who's got pretty snappy game. He thinks that Taylor. Sometimes Russia's his serve, you know, it gets he loses his timing a bit. And when I, I had a very good teacher Beckmann. I'm is playing tennis. And he said, you look at any great servers rhythm and here it is. It goes down up and, and swing down up and swing. And you want you want you going back? You watch the rest of this tournament from your cozy couch. You need. Great, no matter if they, you know, if they loaded with their back foot or the front with that rhythm down up and hit. That's works because it means that you're loading. It means that your arms are up if you're if you start doing down up in hit. Right. And the right correct. What takes how do they fit as long as you arrive at down up and hit? I want you to go. I want you to go home and try this and see if it were, what do you think I told Serena that one believe it or not choose about sixteen or seventeen years old? And I told her how great I thought her Serb was, and I went into this down and hit theory with her. And she said, I'll remember that. Now, she probably didn't she probably blew me off. But I, I am taking partial credit for Serena Williams. Outstanding historical service exactly. Exactly to is exactly that rhythm eve disclosed just close my eyes, and my skating coaches to say exactly the same to me about the rhythm of the jump. I can hear it. Wait till Sousse, about, she his, his legs better on his serve because you said, you can't have a great if you need great footwork to hit it. Make me bust out laughing. How we're talking about sushi. Isn't it amazing? How good is this still like one huge area of his game, which quite easily improved Voss? That's what I'm saying and his volley. She tends to you know he likes being at the net and he knows how to get to the still. Sweeny as so he'll probably get that I think he could become an apex predator. He and Wesley Kumho that could be the apex predators of the doubles tool Wesley cooled off. West. We're at the champagne bar. Can't always hear Wesley coup. His doubles. Jess, I'm not as for millions with his work. Are we? I didn't think it will. Right. And that one yet. Thinking that I'm familiar with his world? I'm familiar with his existence in the five that he plays doubles with Steph no sits a pass. You know, this is the second time you've received coaching advice on the podcast for Mary Carillo because when we were going through this podcast episodes to clip for the affirmation, British pocus awards that we did not win. We shows a clip of Mary explaining to you. It was the three you'll three rules. You gotta hold serve, you got to have a weapon and higher. We and you've got to hide your weakness that didn't win a war. It was down. And hit a wall officially. No ordway. So let me ask you this. Do you think first of all that drug, which is the apex predator of Ben says, and do you think Serena Williams can get back to that hunger to become? Well yes to question. One Djokovic is unquestionably. I would say the at the moment I mean he's one allows he's one of those three slams and look good today. Looked very good today eighteen then it's a food is not the apex predator tennis. This is going to catch on. I just know it is it the Hunga that's missing from Serena though, if she's just not I don't think I think she's more hurt than she allows. Yeah. I mean totally he's been doing a punching more totally today if he seem that. Okay. Yeah. Kidding till he's just one long sentence. He's everywhere saying, oh, so we knew was never gonna win this slam. She's like she crook. She's never going to happen. Well, I mean, I don't think the beginning hopes up Patrie, she obviously, she's so mad shy. It's, it's she put so much pressure on herself to do something for eight weeks a year. I mean that's, that's a lot. I mean so if it is it possible that of Djokovic? There won't be apex, predator men's tennis. And we'll we'll see more of what we see women's women's sit down. That's what do you think? I mean that could happen. Oh, I'd like to see that happen. I'd like the men to go through a period of having is I think it's just a feeding frenzy. Yeah, it's great fun. Great fun. The, the double that Islam is the Ashburn. Singles doubles double gray with believe it hasn't been done since he Kenny Kafelnikov, did it hasn't been done on either side. Since you've. Gani kafelnikov. Here won the singles doubles Bonzi one three today in three sets over fears Sonia Kenan unin, what to cool. Glad that problem is going to emerge again in the student. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, that she's out. But I need some time to figure out what's a cool her. I said that I said that this weekend. I said, Sonya Sofia, you're getting more and more famous everyday pick a lane. And what did she pick for Intr? I interviewed her in Charleston, the, the first clay-court tournament green clay tournament this year. And I said, you're clear this up, what do you want to call you? And she said, Sonya with that. But then for network per purposes for because her name is in the draw. But come on. She in the press come Jesse. She said, sonya's in the house. She didn't say Sophy isn't keenness to distance has so from the Russian nece because she reading it that in the boat in the in the press conference yesterday, didn't she? I don't know if it was a Russian journalist, that was quizzing her about her Russian heritage. But she, she just said, I'm a proud American. Let's up there. No. She waves. The American plant. Yeah. I was I was quite impressed. Like today, pine Ashburn not at eleven o'clock in front of pretty sparse. Crowd on this. And he couldn't have been more different to playing a Williams with all the eyeballs on it. She really had to bring her intensity to that match. And I thought she did a pretty good job in that second set of fighting get make another match because about he was doing use your little tricks and Kenan. She's really go. Something about it. She's frisky. Yeah. She's got every now and then she can go from frisky, pouty. Then she tends to go back to frisky. He's gone interesting. So because she doesn't look the goal. Yeah, that's very busy. She looking at. I don't know it looks like all right. I'm not full thing, right? All right. Anyway. John macaroni call that. I call that match with John and he had clearly he had never seen anything quite like that. And then all of a sudden, it's she gives him nice extension when she does in fact, the head to the sky, how many how neat plays in this torn amount has Jones said the woods players. This kid come from about nowhere actually, he said, something great. We were doing the Ben walk. We did the brink OCC post-match, which was is. And then we did some Ben wa- player and Johnson something that was great about pair. He said he makes the hard shots look easy. And he makes the easy shot to the card. Is brilliant? It's pretty good Ashburn t now plays at Madison, keys when I asked her about that much that is going to be repo. Which is just I mean, she's just five minutes. And I said, I said, if you go you go to play doubles now because the double is on. And she said, yeah, beauty. So cool. It's unbelievable. I love her and David's fixes win the grand slam. Has David has stated pixie pounds to win a major this year. Not hitting the tone. Neck is only on the line. Rush Bharti to bold moment. He hasn't actually picked to, to win any specific ones. So if he doesn't take win modem we're going to force him to humans. If she wins, a double slum, he's gonna pretend that that was incorporated in the prediction, his, his, his shifty character. Yeah. That would be a slimy move. But we'd have to give him some kind of credit for. Madison keys. Ks was good major keys coming out again. That's pretty great. And I think she's very good on Clinton. I think she I mean obviously hard is your best service. But this though because I don't know. Do you think the worst services grads? And I don't know that she believes that, but I've asked oh I wish to play Guinea, Redeina in the third round last year. And I believe that. I think I've asked Lindsay about it than to damn import, obviously doesn't coach anymore, but they're very, very close have breakfast at my hotel. You're not the only one with. By the way. Anyway, the people in your hotel list of press. I see her every day mind. So. Okay, you win. No well anyway, but Lindsay said her. Her footwork is it's, it's not yet there for grass Madison, people look at Madison keys, and say she should be a great or player. She should win Wimbledon. And, and Lindsey maintains that her footwork is obviously good on a hardcourt. And it's also good on clay. It said it gives her time to set up as well. You can understand why, why Matty has had a lot of clay-court success. Yes. She has a really long swing on. Pretty extensive swings. You know. But she's got nasty plays ashes. Gregarious game. I love her game. Oh, I mean she thinks occurred to her. We need to defeat Vokes book people to find somebody that's somebody's fantasy about Ashby, his Ivanhoe. She's lovely she's lovely. She's a Ripa. So keys both the the of the to final is still yet to be decided Halpin, Spitak yet to take to Anisimov, and Bolsover, you working for an American channel hit tennis channel has been unable to, to get get the goods from Anisimov over press conference wise, have you had any better luck, she's very media trained, isn't she? Oh, that's too bad. I you know, I, I don't know if I've told you I blame Chris Evert. I blame Chris. No Chrissy Chrissy, have I told you the story, So Chris Evert she's sixteen years old. And she gets to the semi finals of the US open, and she was very shy, and she really was overwhelmed by the whole experience, then she started playing the Virginia Slims circuit. So she would have to go into the crowd. You know this failings of microphones and stuff. So the Virginia SIMS people would go in there, and, like, cut it off if somebody asked if she was dating or if she was whatever, and so Christi got used to that, you know that she got protected by all the, the organization around all that. And then other players started asking for the same treatment. So may I have accused Chrissy to her face like ruining everything. Because everything became media train like you know what they're going to ask you about this, and all you have to say is this. Now Cruces, by the way, fabulous interview. Eight does the. The. Is it's funny though, because it feels like it actually is trending in the other direction name you saw plenty of others Halep is incredibly open. So. She stands out. It was a bit of hope it. She's she seventeen. It's an incredibly weird thing to do. I was struck by with Dmitri's AVI. Low-volume. I mean if you've never done that before stepping into a room full of strangers bombarding with questions, it's deeply weird. I gotta tell you also, I, I'm just remembering Catherine. Andrea Yeager arrived on the tour. I mean, there were most of the ball, children were much older than she was, and people would ask her these questions, you know. So do you have a boy, and she's like I'm fourteen years old. She just kept saying, I'm fourteen. I go to bed. I, I don't know. I'm not going to the concert. It was fabulous. Like, so I think we have to give the only thing mature about a lot of these places are tennis. A lot of other stuff is and I say it is with deep respect. It's that process has been retarded bit. You know. That's like so, so I think we've got to give some of a chance, but yes, you're right. She's not like she's not like a lot of the others eager switch tank. There's a fan of Pink Floyd. That's pretty mature, isn't it? She, she's a fan of pink flu that's solid. That's very strong. That's from out of the files. Have we discussed the Bruce Springsteen factor would just going back over? It's, it's real. It's a great great, great distress that she's from freehold, Bruce Springsteen, I had to break that news to John McEnroe on the air. Not. Not. Well, he lost all enthusiasm for this for the subject is he been to freehold? I mean how how? How much Bruce Springsteen memorabilia, is there in freehold? I mentioned it so Netflix Kono. I always how is she avoided it? Oh. Was she not to Bruce Springsteen in school? That's a look come on some of these people, we I still feel like burping some of the people you're talking about pets. So let's give them a chance. Okay. Well, the signs of benefits via take in terms of cultural education, and it's good. Good player. Oh, she's going. She knows fun. Your big. He he jokes. You strength skill like a hot potato should just run out of his tournaments. I ride, and she was gone, but it's okay 'cause he's got severe take. Now sphere. Ego, you're big on the fat, and there's some over. Straining open blew me away with how she dismantle Lenka. That's the best match of hers I've ever seen. That was remarkable. Okay. That was the first match. I saw a place that really lifted my expectations. Now. She says she's got the best Bank, tennis, tennis. Yeah. She's definitely part of the itchy in the mix. I keep hearing you talk about the mid makes his now eight. I mean, not says the mixes, everybody petro Matei JR. Thank her game. She's stylish, man. She's stylish. I don't think she's going to win this tournament addio thinking Martin's has got a wheelchair. Mary's hurt her. My fellow predictions of the pie. So enjoyed I have to give a big shoutout to the tennis podcast. I think you were having a very good friendship, and I didn't know you were going to be good on clay Shaw, your work on hord. I didn't know you could switch so easily notably. He's all about the money. Ability linked to. Conte's. Dmitri's avalon. Yeah. Takes a long time to come out, but there is, is very interesting. Just quickly before we let you go, and do you know your actual work here today? Probably oh she do that. So on the men's side of things we're going to see federal of rinca, and that's on court, Susie its own cluelessly, which is where it was for years ago. Correct. That was a very windy day. I don't know if you remember that, that was a really but that was. Standpipe grade that was a doozy on Susan will it be the same again. And in which direction. Yeah, I, I don't know. That's a that's a bit of a jump ball. But I I'm going to stick with my garage. I mean, did you send that picture? There's a picture of samba rinca in that cryogenic chamber after yesterday. Wearing he's wearing stuff to covers ears and era about his face. And he's got on gloves, but he's bear. I asked Martinez. Number two about that. She's been in one, but she says you can't stay in there for longer than four minutes gets cross by the in there. Prime USA jig, Greg decided to juice, a feature that invokes him being filmed in a in a cryogenic chamber and physician reason he was wearing a ladies road in this feature. And nobody I sense that he was HALE tick like second day, and I had another chance to watch the feature before I three two, so I'm sort of live on. And then Greg's Ed ski in, in like a pathetic links road, sort of jumps out of the screen at me. And then, and then I have to do live broadcasts. Asking too much it, it haunts me. Mommy wants me there on long land, because Nishikori in dull around Chatree, what do we think of that? I, I, I don't know what to think. If are, are. We reckoning that this could be Rogers last fringe group. And if so, do you put him on long? Well, we've been theorising that I think he's playing on clay next year because the picks I just don't know. And, and in two years time he's nearly forty. You have to countenance the strong possibility that it is lost. So he might that, they, they all okay with him playing his last French Open much on Long Island is this. I love court Suzy end. I know that Rogers agent doesn't doesn't mind that court either. So, so maybe all will be well and the rate and the weather's supposed to get colder in clam here for the next couple of days. So they want to stay. I mean, I'm sure he wants to play it for sure. Too much famous federal. No, I would say STAN, I think hot sunny days are perfect for Rodrick. You know, I think the. Rafa I'd say, no joke of each of the three of them would probably mind less that heavy conditioned Trent. But do you think Matt? Yeah. The great. I just think if you're weighing on those two matches. Better. Reverend I'd sit a much better much better match the maybe. The home of the better matches has been maybe that's the that's my an an I don't quibble with this much 'cause I love it. But they tend to I guess they feel that they have to play the big names on the big cords. But the better matches can be outside those little absolutely happens at a lot of majors. Like that's the pity of it. No, I'm not a big enough. Name fisher. That's the messaging here Saint in J. Contour are they? They have a chance. Yes. Yes. But I, I, I'm I would think Sloan will come through. But yeah, it's the way drove, I'm impressed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She kind of is a little bit like Meru to me, she can be a little up and down. There's sort of an up and downing to how aggressive she wants to be. But yet, I I'm, I'm. Give everybody a shot at this point on the women's side on the women's Mary's little about the makes its. I've learned so much from you to this week. The everybody's in the midst in ecosphere tech news five thirty fifteen. I Milo this in the same way. When played. That'd be ready for this. You dig some infallibly, Fanini news two cents love down against Alexander. Vera of three four in the food columnist game five isn't it? Well, actually, we need to apologize because we have not as a podcast. We have not covered Esso's in glory with predictions for team on fees yesterday speak for yourself. Well yesterday we said, we said if that matches three cents, we know nothing about tennis, and then the final score jury said. And David said Memphis, was gonna win. So maybe it will maybe this does back up. Our theory. No. Who's this up David's theory? He's, he's signs of frustration. His freeness with expressing himself in the Serena Williams, ousting situation is a sign that actually he's letting loose of it, and he's feeling more at home with his place in the tennis world than he's ready to, to do with thing. That's true. Actually I my worry about an is why like she. She does so much apart from everything else about him. He's got a nice thick skin. You know, and he doesn't mind if the fans are against them, he does much he wanted. It looked like he was trying to throw his own father at it was resume beacon outta hey, that's solid stuff right there. Please leave my cord Dag. Nobody. I mean he seems any plays games with his opponents and he's a little the locker room. He does all that. But. Verify that I don't find that to be the most attractive part of his have his character. I wish I hope that goes away at some point. But Zariff Sasha were so much I think he'd skin is a little too thin right now. You know he he gets angry. He gets frustrated at your knee. Asked me that question. Roger Finn has been answering the same questions for twenty years in four languages. I mean that's part of the least favorite thing about for his own says to those questions. Basically, what he's saying is what you mean. You haven't been to every single one of my press conferences before now how day but see and the other way that's why I'm thinking. And I, I hope Sasha's verb wins majors, don't get me wrong Lendl tale. He's coming for the grass. Right. He's coming, David law, yet, because allergies are so much better around gross. Right. That's true. Content. It sounds like you've on still I like to think he's very much part of the team because he can do Sasha some good. I hope. Yeah. I hope I hope some good from a fall may maybe Lendl at a distance is the best Lendl. Nice. No, we'll find out, but no Michael Chang, till the night story about Evonne that after he beat him here. He saw them a few weeks, later at Wimbledon in bond, went right up to an congratulated him on winning his first major. So let's give us. John Michael Chang. Ashley all him about whether the Nishikori underarm serve at gone, as promised, he said, well, Ashley could be quite good tight against an adult, so we'll see. Yeah, I ain't curry underarm serving. I also think as much as case got a great five-set record. He plays to many times says I'm not sure that's his rate is five set records, good. Because he gets himself situations. He's, he's bad. He's he gets himself in situations. It shouldn't be in these great getting himself out of them. Right. What a skill. Like I find that fanny hope with Nishikori everyone always bangs on about his five-set Recco. Right. It's not a good thing. That's right. That's how I feel. I mean I lost quickly entertaining nobody and there were no close calls. Nobody had to check the marks. I was I was knocking out spectators much. Mary got one less thing to get home before we let you go, and decent proper work. Andy Murray is going to be making a return to tennis in doubles apps that the queen's globe, we believe alongside Feliciano Lopez. So to queens champions playing the doubles alongside one of I mean, good luck ding, the shed at that event, because it's already a tight ISSA thirty two draws so never going to be some big names playing on court number four hundred and twelve on the first couple of days. But how excited is Judy Murray? This is happening. That's all I wanna know this deletion. Where did she call him the Louisiana locally cion? Mother's day gift. Andy is giving to Judy and I'm very happy about it. It's a gift to us. Oh, of course, it is. Of course, it is none, that's just on the huge, as you know, I'm a huge anti Mary van, and Judy Mary fan. And if I knew Jamie, I would probably like that guy to we've been their dogs, we've missed. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely now. So very good news all around. That's to come on the gross which is Matt will be in a matter of hours in clean clothes. They say it's not buying. They do washing machines in friends, and then you could have maybe I, I know they'll always in evidence. It's the grand slam says, no time. All right, man. I'm berry. It has been great pleasure. See might we might come back a little bit later on day just to wrap up the day's events because obviously eagles via take on for the big comeback. She's now, she's, she's broken the hand serve. She serving one five so we'll, we'll need to cover that later on and icon. I can't hope if things very Fanini is going to five and this, you know, there's still too much is yet to be. They might not be back later. Mary, it has been as a ways a great, great pleasure. Thank you. It's been a pleasure for me to have the to mind palaces that are Matt Roberts America rely on this podcast together. David were missed an appropriate amount. It's a absolute pleasure and stood against. So this week's edition of the tennis podcast is brought to you in association with sewn who have centers, Catherine the sonar beam. This speaker that Tatchio television. And so you can feel like you within a tennis match. It's, it's amazing. They've also sent one to Matt just his tell it doesn't work. Look at these face off, is you haven't even got Italian. No. No, David Nova, servicing storm, watching the tennis, is we, it is good map. It is is worth waiting. Yeah. If you choose to tin with troop lake right? You can go anywhere in your room and it will make you feel like your Amer tennis tournament from any seat, and he can control it from your phone, or with voice commands viral exit which for the people of a Lazier persuasion. Maybe like myself, it's notch. Perfect for gonna look send us dot com. I'ma back as promise, just Matt and myself is the crowds pool. Pastas on the way out of Roland Garros because plays finish the days finished very dramatically with Karen Hudson of winning three full sets overcome Martinez put show humanity to explore a new area if his body to receive medical treatment on his is I didn't see huge amounts of that much the, the patches that I did see were. Involve komati. They'll put receiving I drop treatment, which we had a bit of a chats amounts at my and you. Down to a usually esque racket in the heads moment, it was a restrained use that he didn't. He's sensibly used the string sort of the strings rather than the frame. But yeah he pulled a bit of a us need today. Two thousand seven that usually when he smacked himself in the head with his with the frame was wrecking co himself open. Wasn't that extreme? But it was it was it makes me sad. When I see what forget angry at himself. But there's something so perfect about patrol being kinda last one playing at night soldiering on trying to claw back into the match that even if he had clawed back into it wouldn't have finished the night, kind of fell appropriate in that in that way. But also kind of sad and emotional, but. But this has been a bit of a bonus Keiko Susan really Fidel Putra. I'm not sure anyone I didn't doing the things he has done. So I think he's going to drop out of the top ten at least he's back. I just hopefully knees not too bad, because he has co strapping them up and Cowan hatching obviously, you just pointed out on Twitter is on a Parisian streak is ten in a row across two different services because, of course he won best seat steer on Indo heart. And then now he's won four matches on the clay. Here's a ten match Paris winning streak. Factional actually is much treating that as a surprise. Maybe I think the eighth seed Hutcheon of the Tennessee, but had form hasn't been that great. I think actually there's been a couple of pretty extraneous factors responsible for faction of not playing as well as we were expecting this year. I believe he's been ill and the exact nature of the owners it sounds like maybe something something a little bit like. Dangelo fever sort of energy draining type thing he's changed his racket, which can be Evison troublesome for. I mean has been. For many plays down the so I don't actually think. I mean, it feels out of the blue, but I don't think it ought to feel out the believe that makes sense agrees. I think he just hasn't had the right conditions to be able to play the ten Tennessee would have liked this season. And as, as we just said, kind of winning Paris seems to be this poison chalice that. Seems to grab a lot of players. I mean he's lucky not to be in the Jack. So wilderness frankly, isn't he? Yeah. So hatching off through to play Dominic team and very of who we were following early on in the coast with Mary he is through in four cents if I be if they need to face Novak Djokovic. And I mean, frankly, this big win isn't he lost women Monte-Carlo? I think it's big that he didn't get dragged into a fifth set is is big that he wanted tool, and an equalled what he did he lost year and he had some pretty big things to say in the press conference in the ranking is by phone, his best ever winning a slam. He hadn't even been in the top twenty five at a slam. She's Anini Fanini knocking on the door of the top ten and as we know claycourter and yet in suppress, and he was pretty relaxed and he was asked about having kind of the expectation not on his show to so much this tournament. And he, he mentioned sit surpass and he says the best. Thing for me was sit surpasses K caught season because it feels like slash season. Indeed. Yes. Because it feels like now sits past the kind of a leader of that generation, I. Editorializing quite a lot here. I think what he will say, probably means there is sit to pass doing so, well, his made me bloom in angry. I'm blooming hungry to, to show that I'm, I'm still I'm still the, the exciting young thing happening in tennis right now agreed. Because he mentions sit surpass and how happy was for him. But then he also said, but he lost yesterday. Reminding, you will you'll system. The issue with the manages, they shed a manager for a while. I mean that always folk untenable given the rivalry and eventually something something did gave I think right at the start of this year in that manager Patricia pays now just with Stephanos passan's verve is rumored to be in the process of signing with a team mate, which is fetters management agency, or they nothing's been announced or confirmed in that regard and various made allusions to having to do lots of sort of legal wranglings behind the scenes, which has been, he says, one of the contributing distracting factors in his in his forms. There's a lot going on between him surpass. I love the very brought him up. Oh, same out, prompting love it. Yeah. I love it there on one another's mind. I mean, I think sits prices owns boroughs minded, a lot more than the reverse. Definitely definitely sit surpasses his own bubble. I think in that way, isn't he he's biggest motivator? Whereas, I think very does kind of not get jealous necessarily, but I think he sees what was going on things. Hang. Yeah, but by Shelby me, but yet to continue the Bruce Springsteen chat from early on in the puck costs, which teen who released bones around his best album, and then had a had a huge management's crisis, and then produced arguably actually an even better album in Donna's on the town lights. So maybe maybe a management crisis. So what you need. Why leaving Paris just as the Bruce Springsteen analogies are starting to flow? I don't know it came being. I've been thinking a lot of steam with imagine move, and I have just interviewed we sat in her press conference together off to she breezed post Eliana Bolsover her name, which does she play with. Right, right. Yeah. Right handed Eliana bolsa an absolutely breezed poster much. It was moved over to the Simone. Mathieu court came into press. You've been to a number for press conferences, Matt, I think your assessment is this one was a little more giving she, she loved the few questions lightly opened up. She was asked about Drake seemed to live. And you know what that means because that was anything she sort of gave way bit on that means that Drake is going to become to her, what baking is. Not getting anything resort hit the baking button hit the Drake button. Let's try and get a bit of the diversity after this. Yeah. She's into joy not into Bruce Springsteen Matt suggested in my favorite text of the week there with me him suggested, it was desperately scrambling for potential questions. Fin forty one years in a day since darkness on the edge of town was released. I wonder how she celebrates is the. When when I go. Absolutely nothing from questions. One into politics, me, sled. Just go for it. So just ruined my career right here in up through about Samana high lip. And she told me she's a really tough player, but she's looking forward to the match. Great wall, Smyrna Howlett, who has broken serve sixteen times in a row. She broke seven times today against attack eight times in our previous match against Seraing Cohen one to end round too. So good luck. Holding you. So that was one of the more interesting lines in a press conference did say, look OB practicing myself again tomorrow and the other interesting line. I thought was that she said she was watching the Hallett much before. She went out to play her full round much today, and she was watching Hallett drill the back cans down the line, and she thought, oh, I'm going to try and copy that in gopher yet that was a nice line. I felt like shouting out my already thinks you'll backgrounds better than how about it. But I mean it is. I wonder how that would have gone down. Maybe we just need to disrupt those press conferences, a bit just for out of a sort of pattern and. Say the three to play. Hallett hatching three to play team is very through to play Jacovic. I think that wraps everything up apart from the order of play for tomorrow, which I can read out view, if I can just leads them into not my phone Stevens unconscious start things off on shan't trae at two o'clock. I must point out the weather forecast for the next few days is apocalyptic, or is it? So all of this comes with an asterisk, I think, tomorrow is more stormy. So I think we will get player just think it will be interrupted Wednesday. Looks like a right over eighty nine thousand nine percent chance of rain throughout the day. So Steve is gone to kick things off. And then it's Nishikori against an adul- on Philip Chateau run, long Lynn. It's Rinku federa followed by von drew chevette Marta. She's not in the mix. So let's not both. It's okay about has it, obviously voter. You should is winning that that's, that's another step two points out, drew. Von drew, one of teenagers in the in the last eight in the women's draw along with some over, and they all the two who have not dropped a set in this moment. So good in, in foam wise, could we think she villain for not fun of? No. I think probably. Hollywood is gonna absolutely veasley in disappointing news. The double double that not just the double the double is not on fresh pot anymore. She envy, toria Rinker lost to the Australian, champions stews and Jiang. They will play babble Schmidt Denisovich the second seeds in the quarter-finals, other quarter-finals flip kipnes loss, and medical Pesca. Shoddy in Malton. Maltin? There in the men's doubles scoots finals Rajiv arm. Jason's Bree Levin seats. He was British representation having a really good year on that. I think that probably think she looking in the race in. Mix there there in the London rice thing, we can say that which I think I think you're in the right also in the makes agreed are the doubles. Cool two finalists doin, Zhang, kgab, Rosca. Gee, I can see that I've started down this doubles doubles rate. I thought they were the semi final stage have a names to charm pronounced, but I'm on this worried. Now, I'm plowing on alive tip savage, punish it that is love it in the doubles coots finals against Kravitz. Not lenny. Kravitz Kravitz, and MS and the wrong hours app. Does not have pitches of either of these t- there from Germany, Zhang and got into mixed doubles. Now, I think mixed. To wait because absolutely navy's listening to this podcast anymore. Those there's one bit of gossip from the match mentioned Smyrna sitting in chose box. There was a moment in the press conference wasn't a couple of days ago. And I, I have heard rumors before. I would never I would never you know, broadcasts substantiated rumors but presence in a place books. But that's how it started with Mon feace in Australia's newest I mean frankly, if you sit and someone's pose books, you know, you're going to get asked about it, though. Going to be questioned say. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. To be updated on a few Tipo costs when it's been. All skiing, the tabloids gossip questions if you'll know here. Hey. I mean what you'll Bank? I mean, I'm sure you could. Logo. So for the sake of the tennis Pocos we'll, we'll look into it, folks. We'll look into it earnestly. We've been the tennis podcast brought to you in association with the telegraph, those actually produces tennis balls dot com. With Rio with a why tell you friends if you let it tends podcast, if you like tennis, why wouldn't you like the tennis podcast, probably dancer to that is, if you just sort of hate me, David. Yeah we'll marry night. One eight. Yeah. It's been quite coast. It's been quite a days months, twelve days, it's been an absolute pleasure to share them with you. I can't believe you're leaving. What I'm getting to pay to Katherine, Wichita monologue. From, from this moment would. No, I mean David will step in because Simon picks this gore, plenty of, of guest, we can pull cooler upon but they will pale in comparison to the hive minds. That is Matt rob is a great pleasure. And we'll be back tomorrow.

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US Open Day 7 - Djokovic Defaulted. Our Reaction.

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US Open Day 7 - Djokovic Defaulted. Our Reaction.

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The fact that he is out of the US Open having been defaulted in the first set against public arena buster having hit a line judge in the throat with a tennis ball. Is just one of the biggest stories that I think I can ever remember at a Grand Slam tournament and it happened a few hours ago Catherine Whitaker who was presenting the live coverage of Amazon prime video at the time and sat with Tim Henman and Greg reside ski to try to make some sense of it. All is here with US Matt Roberts and I were both watching Catherine's coverage and Amazon prime video coverage and absolutely open-mouthed throughout it was an incredible. News story that has riveted Rep. that. has reverberated all around the world and. Where to begin? I think the place to begin is just to tell you what happened to recount what happened, and this is a match that began I. Think I came to five all. And I saw that it was love thirty two on Jackovich's serve at five all and at that point. I saw going to tune in now this this sounds interesting and it had reminded me that Jim Courier earlier in the day on on your coverage. Catherine had said that maybe if Karenna Busta played a little bit is you simone the Australian Open a couple of years ago and just Behaved like a backboard, maybe jackovitch might get frustrated. Later. Turned out that he had already by this time by the time I cheer and had taken a heavy full apparently hurt himself. He'd also smashed away a bowl anger into the whole kyw cameras That looks pretty. Pretty. Worrying from his mindset point of view. But what he did at fifteen fourteen when he was broken for six five by public arena buster, hit a little passing shop past him. He swatted a ball away in frustration behind him without looking and it struck this line judge in the throat and the sounds that she made thereafter we could. We connects you see on cameras on the on the TV that we were watching. We could not see. What had happened to her? We just knew that she was in trouble and she was making some really distressing sands and jackovitch raced straight over to her. To See what? What? She was into and and we didn't know at that stage. I didn't at least know that he was responsible for it. What were you saying at that point Catherine because you're in a TV studio did you how long did it take for you to be aware of what actually happened to her that he was the root of it? Well. I like you David was paying only. Modest attention to the early stages of the much as it had been quite hectic. Day In the studio up until then it was both Greg, an Tim's birth they say, you know as exhausted by the balancer by that stage with as he said. We'd had the build up with Jim, courier and. Everybody knew they knew? The patent of that much is he's going to be maybe there would be a tie-break or seven five-set, but it was going to a three sets for Jovovich and the theme of the discussion with Jim Courier was. What hope in held public renewed to have. That citing that Joe Simone Australian, Apron performance which just didn't even win. was was Jim Carey is only reply when I when I said what you know. Tactic. Could. Possibly deployed today so I was. I was not on high alert or even medium or even sort of. I wasn't even For any happenings. But I came to it. I started paying attention to a little bit city David because if the injury time-out taken by Novak, Djokovic in the any injury timeout. Means that there's a possibility of a retirement which means I need to be the chairman hopefully. Hopefully Tim and Greg content themselves away from the sort of seventeen birthday cakes. To to come and join me on high alert. Say we luckily. Thanks did Never Vich is injury timeout on his left shoulder area as a result of that folded he took we were there an imposition, but we only were aware. Of the incident when we heard the cries of the line judge that had been hit actually when we saw. Jovovich of the bull swatting. As you say because he does do that he's not the only one other players due to. But because he does do that, he'd done a couple of times in the match once he said David's. pretty pretty viciously but not in the direction where any human beings were standing I didn't really think anything of it, but then there was this really. Really alarming cry and very quick response from Jovic and The everyone's blood run cold. Frankly yeah. When a few degrees cooler. Actually. Strangely enough given the drama that we've. We've all enjoyed for the past few hours. It was actually less dramatic than I initially thought it was going to be because that sound. Was So alarming and she clearly, she clearly was a we we haven't had an update that this evening on the loan judge We think she's Okay Nova talk which in his statement which I know you'll come onto seems to suggest that she is Okay. But it was. Yeah it made your blood run cold and it was very clear although the details went clear straightaway away. It was very clear that something very serious was happening straightaway. it was clearly accidental but as you said to Tim and Greg, Brzezinski at the time. Intent is irrelevant in terms of the decision to be made fi the rule book. In terms of the need to default Novak rich and what followed thereafter, once the lines shipping accompanied away. The followed a lengthy discussion between Jackovitch and the referee on caught. Now. It was to know what was going on. We couldn't hear it completely on the on the TV sand you could hear occasional words you could kind of get the gist of bits of it, but it seems as though the decision they might pretty instantly know you told me enough towards the Tim Henman Gregory Sense. Qihua. Category immediately that is a default as soon as I saw it and realized that Jackovitch had been responsible for this lounge getting hit I knew instantly that is the default and any other decision would have been an outrage. But there was a lengthy discussion between the referee and know that chocolate and did appear as though he was making some sort of. Case and about. The situation which she finds himself in the condition of the Lions judge, and whether the might be another option for a decision to be taken other than a default. That's that's how it felt to me I don't know whether that's how. How that all kind of to you at the time is, is that right? Yeah, pretty pretty much buying on. It was twelve minutes the discussion between Jovic Daytona referee and Undesirably the ATP supervisor was there as well. Twelve minutes which. which is very interesting because how without have played out there been crowds in the stadium because obviously you couldn't have had twelve minutes of of standing around and whether they were negotiating well, they weren't negotiating but whatever collaborative dialogue was taking place, it could not have taken place in a stadium of of twenty three, thousand fans they would have had to explain what was happening. They would have had to have announced he was been being defaulted. Close to immediately really. So that was just an interesting little. Quirk the whole situation. But Yeah it was a twelve minute discussion. It was disappointing. How little of it? We could actually here everybody was overhearing snippets. Matt's definitely I think heard the word hospital was. Definitely, some discussion from Jovic he was focusing in on on the the outcome. The consequences the severity of the injury to the line to Address A. He can possibly have known at that stage when we don't know now several hours later and busy said. Is irrelevant is irrelevant in the situation you know the rules, the rules state the action. If deemed reckless. Oh, dangerous. Regardless of the consequences, it's an immediate default and Tim Henman he has as intimate experience as possible to have of this situation. Cooled it straightaway he said that is said that is a deeper. And I spent about twenty seconds trying to play it. Cool in my mind thinking is a defer what is he on about I can't let on the right now what he means and then finally the DOTS can only defeat and Defer. Yet they called it straightaway and they said, this is not this. This is not innovation withdraw. Kovic as much as it might appear to be one, this is stemmed just softening the blow in giving him time to adjust an except to nuts that's a luxury he wouldn't have had with the crowd. But yeah, the the no negotiation happening that there was no wiggle room. There was new for concession The was no. Yeah there was not licensed for leeway in those roles. It's very. Clear and just Austin him and he's been the nineteen ninety-five Wimbledon he was he was twenty one years. Twenty, playing a doubles match two sets to one busy. told me about seventeen times on today. We had a one that much she sits up. and. He hit a ball away carelessly recklessly and to on the air and she was fine but it was quite distressing at the time she was quite upset and it was immediate default and Tim Media the. Recounted that story which was very He was completely. Open about all if that clearly is probably the most embarrassing one of his embarrassing moments in life I mean, I don't know if Tim's embarrassing off court moments he got the word used wasn't it when you? He said that the first question, the press comments after that was, how does it feel to be the first player in the hundred and thirty years of Wimbledon history to be disqualified? And you said to, well, how did it feel and and he said, yeah, as as embarrassing. As, clearly horrible floor. But yeah, he was very open and very transparent about the experience. and. We wish we should say first of all let's hope the the line shows is okay because you know it was it was really upsetting at the time and and my daughter was what she made the time and I kind of wanted to share out of the room. Because I didn't really wanted to hear that. I mean. Fortunately, the line should got to her feet and we hope that she's absolutely fine. So we we should the best. Subsequently when game set match was called Nova Net chocolate departed the scene. We. We got a statement from the USDA explaining the decision which just followed all the the correct wording of the rule book says there is no leeway as you say, it's just it's just one of those things that's an automatic default. Within waited and I remember you saying in prime videos coverage, we'll bring you the press conference when it's when it happens when it's live. And shortly afterwards we heard that there would not be a press conference. And pictures emerged of Novak Djokovic getting into a car and driving away. With and without doing a press conference at all. And a lot of discussion followed about that decision and some time later. He released a statement which says an reads as follows. This whole situation has left me really sound an empty a check on the lines person in the tournament. told me that thank God. She's feeling. Okay. I'm extremely sorry to have caused such stress. So unintended. So wrong. Not Disclosing her name to respect her privacy as as for the disqualification Anita go back within and work on my disappointment and turn this all into a lesson for my growth and evolution as a player and a human being apologize to the open tournaments and everyone associated for my behavior. I'm very grateful to my team and family for being my rock support and my fans for always being there with me. Thank you and I'm so sorry. Now jock itch put that out on his social media channels. He did not come into our typical post-match Press Collins I to be out, I talked to him directly. and. So that's that's the only communication we've had from him. My fading on the subject is that. That's quite a good apology, but it's absolutely not the way it should be delivered. I think he should have been immediately into a press going. So at least I understand it's very stressful. It's the shock and he would perhaps have. Struggled to articulate himself quite like that in the moment but. Tim Henman said at the time when he was seen driving way. For jock Itch to not frontier and. Just admit his fault and apologize and to in essence run away. IS JUST GONNA make it go on longer. And prolong the problem, and that's certainly how I felt about the situation and I and I'm I think it's really disappointing that he didn't. Just come up in. An address, the media already do. Yeah I mean the way to back up. A rule violation is not with another rule violation. which is what failing to attend a mandatory press conferences. I know it's hard. The law senior today. But it is required. It is the rules it is part of the job and. I think everybody would have understood if he needed. A whole heck of a lot of time before coming to that press conference. To establish, are we felt to get over the shock to speak to the USDA to speak to? Well, not the USDA is the the referee and the whatever. But it is part of the job and that was. A rule violation on top of violation, which is is not right. The. The statement that he's released. Exceeded my expectations. In some ways I was pleasantly surprised by that features the words I'm sorry. A wasn't quite sure like with the address tool. Who Hall that they would be something as explicit is A. I think they should have been the first words. don't think. The first words that statement should have been about how he's. How he's feeling I think they should have been about the the line judges and the the sorry judge in the. The consequences of his actions. They did the line about not disclosing her name to respect her privacy is somewhat bizarre and. The I find they lie about I'm extremely sorry to, of course such stress. I find a little bit pointed the the choice of stress I mean maybe I'm reading into. What selection too much. Maybe it was. Drafted quickly in and put out but given given the all meet people that he employees one while the suspects that's not the case he caused her. Will be unintentionally physical home. And I'm not sure stresses. Is the right word see to select there but? He said sorry and that's important. I. Don't think I. Don't think necessarily needed to hear in that moment about learning and growing. and. sadness and emptiness. I think that could have come at a slightly late today and this could have just been a straightforward. Sorry. I acted recklessly in the heat of the moment. Since though personally that he needs to change. Is Important because this is not just a one-off. This is not a first time he is he is he is thrashed a ball away in anger. The the only differences every other time he has got lucky and this time he got on lucky in terms of actually striking a person about the court. As you said, he's not the only person who does it but he's a repeat offender doing this exact thing Matt I think you. You found an occasion in the archives when when pretty much the same thing happened except he didn't actually make contacts. In such a great way with lines with a person around the court. Yeah. As soon as this happened my mind when to the ATP finals in two thousand, sixteen when Novak Djokovic was involved in a press conference exchange with the mcclement who was working for the mirror and Him about an incident during a match at the finals where Djokovic hit the ball in the direction of his team and at the finals, they're sitting very low. They're sort of level the player boxes, any bounce the ball into them, and miss them and miss people in the crowd, and he was obviously asked about that incident in this press conference by Neil McLennan and Neil also referred back to an instant that same year which was at Roland. Garros. Where Djokovic was playing Thomas Bird Iq and flung his racket behind him in frustration and missed the lying church because the line judge step of the way of the racket that was the only reason. It didn't hit them. Anyway. So Neil mcclement put this to Djokovic shouldn't press conference and said. We saw you similarly venting frustration Garros throwing your racquet does it concern you one day that will cost you dearly if it hits someone Djokovic of it said you guys unbelievable. Wise it unbelievable because you're always picking these kinds of things. McLennan. Doing these things Jakovich I keep doing these things. Why don't you get suspended then? No mclemore you were close weren't you jackovitch? Not suspended. So if I'm not close I'm not close. Lemon ball had hit a spectator. It could have been serious Djokovic could have been yes. It could've snowed in o two arena as well but it didn't Know Lemon. You're not concerned about your mindset Jackovitch. I'm the only player shows this frustration on the court that's what you're saying. No McLennan you're one of the talk ranked players in the world. So. Normal Clements said you're showing this frustration I'm asking you. Do you think it's an issue for you and your it said it's not an issue for me. It's not the first time I did it and that was the end of that exchange. But what I think that shows and I think as you both said, it's right to point out. Djokovic is. Definitely definitely not the only person to have. Thrown rackets and hit balls and potentially endangered someone by doing that. But it has been a pattern throughout his career of slightly slightly reckless behavior in that way, it does it to me. It's always it's always felt like something like this could happen and he and those quotes I think show that he's been he's been quite unbothered by the potential consequences of it in the past and his almost felt like. He's he's above the potential consequences in his responses there. So So. Yeah I think I just think the conclusion of that is that this is an issue which has been brewing for coverage for a number of years and I agree with you maybe maybe now isn't the time in his statement to talk about self improvement, but I think there needs to be. A recognition and it is good that there is recognition from him. That something does have to change. It's just a shame. That it's taken this incident for him to realize that when they were warning signs long before this and just to. Add to I. Think my my my disappointment that he he didn't do this face to face with us in the medium with with his fans with everybody. Other people that have done this and I think of Dennis chiappa valve smashing the ball into the empire's face. which was a horrible moment. At how? He. Came into a press conference and I'm sure he was he was helped along with some Meteo as well but he he he just fronted up and he just. Didn't offer any excuse whatsoever for his actions. I needed it face to face. Even, David Nalbandian when when he kicked the line judge on the court with him and admitted, he told me to shut up when I tried to advise him to apologize to the crowd. But at least he spoke and then he went into a press straight afterwards. And Tim Henman did the same so I just feel like. I know it's stressful a no SA- stamina just devastated you are. But when you're the leader of the players, you're the council former presidents and your now the head of the professional tennis players Association. You don't run away. You're not just leave the leave it all there and and golf into the night with a statements left behind you. so I'm disappointed with that Maybe maybe he'll think on that as well as part of it but. Yeah ultimately. Absolutely right decision made on the court and. It's just a it's just an enormous new story. Yeah absolutely. I think it was on the the knees, the BBC News at ten in the UK which. Is a real marker of a cut three. You story transcending not just the sport but sport. And I, and I, can't help it here the. The what will joke which is words in fight in the pre tournaments altuva article interview the Crista Clary did with Jovic a couple of weeks ago. When he I think that was probably setup. By. Jovic people the ATP whatever's which is sort of mea culpa about the the tool. And reflection on that in him. Doing his version of holding his hands up. Trying to put it to bed and actually. He ended up coming off his defensive in and. Speaking of. An s sorry. Focusing on the fact that he had good intentions the the fact that he had no ill intent, he only meant well, and it just feels I don't know whether it's ironic apt. That his sort of US Open bubble. Journey. Has Come to an end. with an incident. which it's sort of defined by the his intentions are relevant. Were relevant. I don't know whether I'm looking for poetry whether isn't any. Poetry is it sort of tragedy I don't know what it is. It's it's. Another in line of things like this where he hasn't fully. Just taken responsibility and and I think of. Any does tend to go. He does tend to things things go wrong like this he can just. Just. Leave I. Think it happened at the friendship and didn't it lost that Max she was just out the door. He, he has all this stuff happen Andrea Tall. He just leaves and goes to back home to to. Belgrade. Now this I mean I get I get I. Don't know what it's like to be in his shoes and to be under that sort of stress and upset at the given time but but it's even though it's not the right way to do it. He. Accepts. And welcomes the power doesn't he caught the power he seeks the power I mean very explicitly in the last couple of weeks been. Spearheading Co presidents eating a an organization to give plays more power. and. With. Great power comes great responsibility. Public arena buster is into the quarterfinals of the US Open. And he's. He's Default. Absolutely. The headline in all the papers. I was so glad I didn't Napa through this first set, which was my original plan the. The late finishes. The last couple of days we're catching up with me today there was my very much my middle Sunday feel the day and yeah I genuinely didn't think that they would be much. Anything of Note Matt floated the idea of nap on the tennis podcast Wasser he was He's very gainfully encouraged by David I was on air at the time, but obviously would have encouraged had I been available? Yeah. You let let down the Golden Puff. So, we're going to have a new grand slam champion. In men's tennis. In a week's time. Just. Say IT David just ask the question that you want to ask. I want to ask I don't even know that I mean the mixes the mixes everyone as you tweeted out now is it dumps he's now out. Who's going to be the question? Is it going to be public arena buster I mean. In the mix is Alex Moore in the mix nothing everybody's in the mix. I think it's true when I look down on the field now the mix. All bets are off like. Again, this could be looking for poetry whether isn't any because my brain is no longer functioning. On well sort of any cylinders, but it's I was thinking of the gets. Gets bigger the more you take away from it you know the old. Joke. It sort of. What is soothing? It's it's a, it's a Christmas cracker line. That's not funny. And that sort of the mix isn't it? You take someone away from it. And it's become enormous. they didn't didn't enjoy that analogy to thanks. You couldn't see his face while I is laboring my way through that, but he wasn't pleased trying to follow it. As we come to you right now schoolwise Dennis chiappa valve is a set down to up against Avid Golfer. A deep into the night job fakes because after this is a the controversy against. An nightmare soccer match. So it's going to be corrected buster against the winner of this Chevelle of Goffin match. It's going to be born chart. She was beaten Jordan Thompson in straight-sets tonight. Mix for about. Two hours. Mix Two hours and could always be on his CV. Quite right and so born charges against Alexander's Zverev I think they played here the US Open a few. Church has a I believe three one positive head to head record against. And Yeah you're right. He beats him the US. Open on the grandstand court three days ago. So that's was that the year with the socks yes or there's very change to socks by then after the after receiving reasonable amount of criticism for diversity negative feedback about the exactly. Right. Okay Fortunately he's never gone there again. Right. Okay. Well, it's the other half of the draw tomorrow in the fourth round. Would Bertini Against Roy, left not be good. taffer against. POSPISIL AGAINST Fix. OJ On the same against Dominic Team Oh. That's the one. Just. As reminded last night, it turns out the marriage didn't beat team. Digging up. I really had a terrible terrible twenty four hours. In the L. prediction states. Keeping anyone in the world right now feels that they accurately predicted day seven of the twenty, twenty USA been David. I'm not not too many people when as hard on Angelique Kerber. To lose six, one, six, four, two, Jennifer Brady who I'd been categorically writing off less than twenty four hours. What what has anybody Matt in all the predictions competition there about thirty odd people did anybody not pick jackovitch that's something I'd love today I accidentally did Catherine's had erased submitted. Different email address. The other version was going to be wrong as well. Did I sit surpass. That is a question David. I will endeavour to find out the answer I'm not. It's more. Okay. Yuli Putin saver is going to take on Jennifer Brady who was just fabulous against Koerber who did not let her have it. She just was wonderful Brady and I underestimated earn I admit it. Putin save a beats Petra Martic. So they're going to the court at least I've got put in saver in the quarters. That's the only good news got. And then the winner of soccer in concert against shelby Rogers who got to self a big shock win against Patrick Uva Shale. And that's that's why per Jesus says, everytime show be will just comes up and it is new mattress time before he before I say named like that on. 'cause she's from Charleston and scoot show be and you know. For British person? I, know. It's very difficult to resist saying her name is if she's a character in in dynasty. Was Not expected that tonight. She says. She saved much points against Uva. Her moment there was overshadowed inevitably by what was happening in terms of Novak Djokovic default. But as you said, this is This is a massive massive day or for her she had knee surgery in twenty eighteen. You can. You can literally see the scar on her knee and. She's now back in Grand Slam Kalsa fine or which she did reach before the French Open a few years ago and yes she. She was brilliant and it was a it was a real to and fro with with Patrick out there who had four match points believe double-faulted on one of them. But but shelby roaches equally paid her power in winning that match and taking it from Kavita, and I don't know I see a little bit of similarity with Jennifer Brady in terms of A. An an American player who has sort of gone up another level in in these last few weeks and turn themselves into. Certainly in Brady's case, I believe a contender for this title based on what based on what she produced today. I mean I was thinking before the joke of stuff happened Jennifer Brady was the story of the day intensive her performance. Her slashing the ball but with such control is incredible to watch and she she took cover up heart in the first set in the second set was A. Really, good contest both players playing well and Brady having to overcome a little injury with her leg as well which hopefully isn't isn't too bad but. She's she's an incredibly fun player to watch someone who has. Over the course of the year with teaming up with this German train. Michael barone going to training Germany and. Just Really, really committing to that has transformed US coal store and. She did that yeah. I mean that that second set was a great. For German tennis training because curb was also very good in it. It's really unusual for floor an American player especially one. So what did the American system? You know she's a US college player You know had was really productivity if the US tennis. production line. And she had good solid career going and could've treaded water line down had had a good career in had peaks in it and moments to remember N-. Trophies to the cabinet. For for for lifetime and she she decided she wanted more and was capable of more an make a lot of sacrifices and bold decisions in order to or specially hasn't achieved it yet but she could she could do she is in the mix. And to have, yes, Spencer off-season narrating she spent Christmas over in Germany and spent the entirety of looked down there I'm. Full of operation for va Jennifer Brady and her forehand is fearsome. Donna might there was a lovely moment actually in her post-match interview where it was just presented to what she just accomplished the first question because she's wearing a mask. You couldn't say his smile, but you saw her smile or is. It was it was just a lovely moment of realization. This has happened. You know it suddenly. All became clear I I have done this. I. Go to find this to the grindstone and she was she doesn't strike me as somebody who's particularly grand in her in her. Demeanor about celebration, but she just she just looked so happy in that moment is really tough for her. She was also, what are you GonNa do we do day off in the bubble and she goes the US. What what? What is the US Jennifer his what I wanted to? Defer. Yeah. Well, what's right it's all too young for me this stuff. So. She's into the quarters pleasure in Server I. Want to know what you think is going to happen tomorrow between. PHOENIX OJ seem and dominant team. Please that question beef a month. I. Think Dominate Team's GonNa win it. I think Dominic team is going to win I picked him to reach the final. So I have to carry carry through with that and I believe he's now probably the favourite for this tournament with Jackovitch. Gone I. Think. It's as we've discussed incredibly open but I would back him I. Think he's I he's moving through the gears in this tournament and improving with each round. And I believe that he's been. He's been waiting for this kind of moment to for for raw to open up a little bit and I'm not sure he's going to. He's going to give that up I think he'll step it up again against your team and I mean come it's a match. I'm incredibly incredibly excited to watch and very, very thankful for Labor Labor Day weekend in the in the states, which means it's got a day session scheduling, which means that it's that we can walk without being in the middle of the night here which I'm thankful for because I think it could be. Electric because both players both players are suction credible hits of the ball from the back of the call and I'm. I'm already getting excited at the sort of shape and tempo that some of the rallies might have and the. ATHLETICISM that will be on display I think it will be like futuristic tennis. I. Think when they're when they're the best in those rallies and But I am I, am backing team to come through it a little bit more experienced and I think that could be the difference that never played each other before. I'm just reading which adds to. The appeal Tomase, just the the unknowns and because. Same has been so spectacularly good and then team really did step it up last night watching both team and beating Chile and Brady beating Kerber and to a lesser extent OC same beating Murray because I don't think that's quite fair on Murray to judge him necessarily on this week but it did feel like. Time is moving on a little here and we are seeing because curb. It did not let Brady have it Chile won the third set last night and was. He's not at his best, but he was he was pushing and then I that's the point I went to bed and I just woke I'm gonNA get into bed thinking I still think team will win this the way I've seen those couple of sets. Evolve and sure enough six three dominant payments through. Just fail line where we may be entering a new stage here and some blaze are are the force and other players. Maybe, that time has passed. You know they can certainly prove that otherwise but but I found it very interesting to to witness. What about you Katherine? Do you see your team? You think he'll. He'll win this match. Do you think you win the tournament from him? I think he ought to be. Yeah, I. Think Kerm. Ran The first person depress off to the drug of incident with with Alex Verve is very of. Who to he announced his given time for press as it was no docking it no docking being the first one to face the heavy what happened question and he? I mean. He he said the right things. Sensitive, enough about their lounge and everything but he's is were lighting up. He was if he wasn't wearing a mosquito been able to save salivating. Which is which is a Reaction You WANNA see provided. You're showing the you know the appropriate respecting concern for. The situation and the condition of the line judge. But yeah, it's very of Wigham from thinking Oh algorithm in the wrong half of the draw yesterday. This is the this is the good off the draw to be an array. Lucky me. say I mean the? As. Well, yeah. He really really was I mean his his his opponent dovid Davidovich Keno sustains quoting unpleasant looking foot injury in the third set ended up. Finishing the match on and underarm serve because he was unable to push up on on the on the overarm serve. so that was distressing but but frankly. Verified run away with it before Davidovich Surf Akina sustained that injury very good and frankly very various should be thinking just as team is I'm sure this is mine too lease. Now however I, think it's just a bit more tree for the Dominic team than it is Friday zone is very of, but there's a lot of people in this drawer that should be. Now expecting themselves ready to go when this one. Eighteen aces two double-faults says a lot I would say about about that way that match wins and it be really interesting to watch him against charge because he's GonNa be playing with pressure. He's supposed to be church, and as you say Matt Church has got this good record against him. I didn't want this to happen with Novak Djokovic today it's. Most importantly because of the line judge but the whole thing is. Is Sat and it's it was distressing all of it. But what it does mean and I think jock itch being in the drawer and chasing another piece of history seeing anybody could have knocked him off they're interesting storylines but. Now that we are in this position and you look down a draw with these players left in who have never had that moment that crowning moment in their lives, a one of them is going to have it in a week's time. It does mean that the second week of this tournaments from men's perspective is just. It's going to be really interesting. Every single turn every match becomes fascinating now because none of them feel like, right? Yeah he might win this but what does it matter because of it? She's GonNa win it anyway this. is the ultimate for all of these guys and and I think it just makes every match must see and I think one of the things that makes it interesting that. So many of the players that we would have put in the tag just below Novak Djokovic as the favorites to win are still in the tournament. Oversee sits passes gone out but teams there's various their Medvedev's their rupe labs there and I think some of the frustration that come with the next Gen in the past has been that they've often bombed out early in grand slams and not even put themselves in a position so that if some sort of fluke was to happen. They could capitalize on it well. The fluke result has happened and most of them are still there now to capitalize the Medvedev and team have played. Grand. Slam finals against members of the big three slightly exclude them from that. But certainly verve Rube live here now, and this is their time and it's it's very, very intriguing free-for-all. What do you think sits passes disperse levels. At the moment. Do. You think he's just drowning in a sea of foam. Oh. Well. Funny. You should say that because his tweets today was about seating in American hot dog. On the ball in the zone had in the game as usual. I'm caught released. Because he had a big smile on his face and he looked like he was just. decompressing in in in New York actually quite healthy. We action even though it's probably unhealthy if that makes sense. Yeah. Sedate. So. Yeah. That's that's pretty much it. I think for today. Let's have a quick look at the order play for Tomorrow Starts Maria Zachary against Serena Williams's Catherine said it's Labor Day weekend. We can in the USO all the the highest profile matches are in the afternoon section. So that will be on at five PM UK time noon local time in New York Zachary against so in a Williams. I'm still getting Serena I've got us. Win The title. So I've gotta carry on anybody got Zachary so. No I think I am going to Serena. May Too I think I think the Saccharine beat Serena last week but. Serena was in a winning position in that match which suggests that. She can get herself in one again I think. Based on what we talked about with her performance against Stevens I think that that's potentially A. Launchpad, for playing even better. So I'm an backing Serena then it socially seem against team. You both have gone for team. I'm going to ask for Felix and then. In the evening session, it's tear fo- against Medvedev which again you know you just look at the opportunities are available for these players. Now, suddenly Mertens against Kenan after that on Louis Armstrong corded Vasic pospisil at eleven o'clock local Tulsa four PM UK against demon ore boss, pospisil demonstrators, a match styles I'd really like to say. Corn Against Peron cover. Bertini against rebel than as Aranka against Muka and there's also the Jamie Murray Neil sqi doubles quarterfinal second on on court seventeen. So so much to look forward to tomorrow Kathyrn, we'll be presenting it providing she wakes up on her third alarm. Because she tends to sleep through the first two already tomorrow. Yes. Yes. Birthday David. Happy Birthday. Oh i. My kids have been making a fuss today. About something from West Rummage Albin shop, it's brilliant. Of out the best time of day. Cake. Chocolate Cake Haas. Lovely. Your birthday was like today today the seventh woods it is, but I can't. On the Tim and Greg Birthday Party. Career. Did you have any of the Tim and Greg So until about forty five minutes ago were an hour. Again, we started recording this podcast. The only thing I'd eaten today with a slice of. Tim. Greg's joint birthday cake baked by Laura Robson. and. If you told fifteen year old me that I would one day be saying that sentence. She wouldn't have believed he. Now Yeah. So I did and just tomorrow I will say tomorrow today I will be commentating on BBC radio a via the BBC sport website probably from five in the afternoon UK time with all these matches and then we're on five sports extra later Catherine, would presenting telly. And let me tell you folks if you didn't see today, she was amazing I'm not looking at it because she'll put me off and make me feel embarrassed but she was so. Catherine go sleep. And Yeah. Matt's gone about another four hours of work to do because. It fits your body clock now doesn't impact. You're into going to bed at seven hundred into submission. On the first day yeah I was supplying. Of Dizziness and Jack Symptoms for about forty eight hours. Much back on track now. Splendid I tell you. It's currently to twenty two. And I've got a real feeling that Dennis Chevelle is going to just drag me into this match. The way it's got to. It's amazing and then it's conservation against. ARCA. I mean come on. Okay. Well Goodnight Katharine Good Night Matt Good Night Listeners. Thank you very much for joining us. We would like to remind you as well. Zeus is a US Open tennis podcast mascot an amazing dog I've seen the pictures. Even I know it's an amazing dog com even noticed in about dogs and Catherine you'll back that up. Yeah I mean. No pressure be got been amazing dog if your name is Zeus. The. Succeeding. Say Weldon Z. Listener a listener for medicine actually got into. Instead satellite, which is. The. Clave tennis put funds in Marine. Yeah, it's very good So yeah, thank you to all of you live tonight an interview if you're enjoying the show and do tell people if you think that they might enjoy it because you know we want more listeners and hopefully that will be something eligible as well. Right I'm going to bet. Wash the teddy's in bed. It's going to be amazing I'm not GonNa do anything tomorrow just going to sleep all day and watch tennis all not say tomorrow.

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Roland Garros Day 5 - Ostapenko reborn; Shapovalov combusts; Pas de bulle  Paris

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Roland Garros Day 5 - Ostapenko reborn; Shapovalov combusts; Pas de bulle Paris

"Hi. This is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo I'm stunned rowing I'm letting you I'm. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcast. We'll fix today was further evidence of what we said with absolute conviction a couple of days ago, which is that you lay north Penco is going to win twenty twenty French Open because she either loses first round all wins the thing. And today while a couple of days ago she won her first round. So obviously ever realized Illinois's depends is going to win the French Open. And today she backed that up by beating the second seed, Caroliina applicable and how she was. Extraordinary is the story the she was extraordinary or is the story please give it was poor. And disappointing again. Both Christopher was poor and disappointing. and made looked so one dimensional and even that one dimension was not great. Usually one dimensional players. That one dimension is at least tip top. And Look Puskas can be but not today but she all of our weaknesses were exploited by Ostapenko today. I couldn't. I couldn't believe how good a how completely tennis play Elaine Ostapenko looked. Better player today than I remember her being twenty seventeen when she won the title war, what was she doing because I didn't watch her. She was constructing points she should patients in touch in court craft a drop shot was a thing of beauty. She wasn't just you know the default narrative with Penco when she starts winning matches is she's just Hitting a Purple Patch, blasting people off the court and she still can do that. And it's a joy when that does happen but she doesn't just pull the trigger the first possible opportunity every single time because she doesn't. choosen needs to has her serve is still a weakness. The the could get exploited but not as much of a weakness as it has been I just I just couldn't believe what A. What a complete tennis players watching today yeah. I think the best Ostapenko performance I've ever seen is still that French Open final of three years ago. But she looked to more well rounded and more complete tennis player in this match today and I think that bodes very well for the future for as as Catherine said, I was so impressed by the movement and the defense because it allowed her not to have to just go for it. When she was in defensive positions, she could actually played defensive shots and she had slice forehand I didn't know where she's developed this from but shut slice forehand that caused. All sorts of trouble shouldn't we know what to do if that ball and yet loads of drop shots good point construction really really focused throughout she didn't she didn't have any sort of lapse. Oh, loss of concentration, and even when she maybe didn't convert a break point, she then knuckled down and just show she convert to the next one and it was a really really mature performance and you know I think of course, fiscal wasn't as good as we know can be but it was a very familiar performance from her at a Grand Slam, which is why don't think that's the story I think the story in the future for. Will be if she can get it together. If we keep seeing this all the time it's it's not really that much of a story anymore. Yeah Advisory in the newsletter predictions this fortnight grace she got to go first yesterday with her prediction for today and she went first to pancakes applicable I. Think all of us in unison said, aw, come for that. You know what? Point is an upset Nelson upset because I think we will saw that would probably happen today because obviously he's GonNa win the title. But. The yeah. It's it's grimly predictable and if it feels that way for us. It must feel absolutely horrible I kind of hope it feels horrible if that doesn't sound too. Sadistic it feels horrible for place Gobert she's. soul-searching. Does she get a pass because of the injury to. The one that forced out of the room final was if a hamstring or Asai. She wasn't wearing strapping again. She played it down herself, but we know plays can do that oversee Serena was playing down her injury doesn't doesn't always mean that it's not there just because they're playing it down She didn't look inhibited. So an don't think she said after that was a factor So yeah I mean it's just just another very typical risk of. Performance a little bit depressing away but I was lifted by Ostapenko and I was thinking back to that twenty seventeen run I mean. I've always kind of put down as a little bit of an anomalous Grand Slam results, but actually thinking about it in context that was the first slam. Of the Serena had decided to. Break. From the tour because she was having Olympia and see Serena hasn't won the slam since she's come back. If you think about it that twenty seventeen French Open was kind of the shering in of a bit of a new era and we've since had lots of first time Grand Slam champion Balti- Kenan Asaka Stevens. You know so many players have one that I slam since then and I think. Ostapenko the PENCO thinks that she herself kind of inspired. A lot of that younger generation to performance slams. She's kind of seen them overtake Os as a level as regressed quite, and she's talked about. Really feeling bit put out about that and kind of wanting to get back in that kind of mix and. That is very encouraging words I think from hose. Well, it's. It's it's a signal of a really, really good positive place that she's in mentally I think and in all seriousness she plays Powell DIFESA nights to go sleigh Stevens today I went around early on predicting. But acting the outside court exit of former finalist lane Stevens. If. She wins that she plays. Petra Martic on a multitude is Nice Nice Lounge but. She wins that she would play either Zhang Sway. See Borough. Anyone can fill me in on the that would. Chloride. Thank you. ORLA Fernandez Petra commuter. OCCAS-, she wouldn't go in the favor against convicted for a but. You know those are the players standing between the semi finals. So we'll do you know I'm not saying I am joking about saying Japan, who's going to win this thing But she needs to be in the conversation now. In. Seriousness I, think one hundred percent capable. The fact she's already done it before and from what you're saying she's a better player than she was then and let's not forget I mean she's just described in her post-match press conference that she was fearless back. Then you know she just just went for everything can earn it went in. That's not exactly how I mean the sheer fact that she knows that now. Tells you that there's a lot more that goes on inside the head than than than would have done back. Then I'm just interested in I. Don't I don't know whether and we can have the answer to this, but it'd be interesting to. To think about it a little bit more and do some tortoise and people as to where this has come from this improvement in form. Now, for late year when she was being coached by Marian bodily and we interviewed Bosley, just after the Australian Open and they were still together at that point and she would. She obviously did some good work with that because she got her back in in. Was it the Lynch Fine La. Thank in fact I think she did back to backfire. And There was definitely something about Ostapenko that she seemed to me to be taken seriously again or fully engaged, and obviously I know she's had the heartbreak of losing her father which was really really tough. But she seemed then to be building toward something. Obviously, we've then had the lockdown period, but I think she's now being coached by Thomas Huckster who's just moved minis coach. So many top players hasn't I mean. Everybody pretty much at one time or another as being a he is coached on the women's Guy He's the X. that's announced his engagement the day after your break up. And you know and that was. That was a sort of. A surprise. In. The words Laura Robson that that he got together with Joe Country in the first place, and then it's also a bit of a surprise just how quickly that's ended and these ended up in Ostapenko camp but. Talking to JD married today on on Five Live sports extra. She felt that he's the sorts of coach that could really make a difference with the player like her just super experience not afraid to just. Put in some basics as to what he expects her to do in a couple of basic tactics and techniques and I I kind of imagine it would be in order if this happens and your defending this is what you do because I mean he coach Mercia over for longtime there are sentenced similarities. Okay. Shop over wasn't quite as go for broke but she became a claycourter and that's remarkable given what she was an and I think just. To the short term reason. So maybe why Ostapenko is is doing well is that she's very mentally fresh and not jaded. She didn't go to New York for the western southern open the US. Open. She said she's been basically playing on clay now for months and I think it took a little bit of time to build some form lost early in Rome and went to Strasbourg and did okay there and now she's arrived at the French Open with. Sort of feeling comfortable with the clay under her feet and also not fatigued by this difficult world that these tennis has living in the moment and you know we've. We'll get of players talking about the sort of stresses of the bubble in the kind of thing she just hasn't had that weighing on her for as long as some other people in this prescriber, for example. So grace spent I with the prediction she went us to Penco congratulations grace and then we we see did next to David because we we took pity on his his church on his I. Mean You really you really made yourself seem like a charity case? Yes you David all he had the full orchestra out not just the violin. So we let David go next All sorts of. Also talked him out of making. What would have been a horrendous era if picking chloride. To, beat. Daniel. Collins. An paved the way David fuel moment of triumph coming. Loud that matters isn't they? But. What's she doing claritin? No, she's any seventeen and it's not all about me but I mean. You know she was. Full shaving. She take into the cool correct. Send. Suddenly I'm looking down the draw and What's what's the name? WHO's plan against a Danica Collins is in the next round and I'm thinking well, what what was the school then? Did she retire? And turns out no, she just lost six, two, six three and I'm thinking. All on you spent three hours beating my finalist nine seven and the third is. World. It was entirely predictable David Yeah it's title is oldest time. David. Seventeen year old. Unable to to up. A big win because it the emotional and physical toll on Shea. Yeah, you sent a letter offs. Yeah. Anyway. This was supposed to be my opportunity to give you a moment to to gloat. Oh. Yeah. So anyway. So, yeah, and in the end I went for Fiona Farrow also because Matt keeps telling me is good she is and frankly. Play before today David I. Actually saw the Paloma final that she won, but I can't say. You know. Sometimes, you watch the tennis match, you Really Watch it and other times you end up finding that you the matches ended and you must have been three of the different things and you don't really know too much about what went on and that's how I felt at the end of that Paloma Final Radi wasn't concentrating probably on it. So. I saw of winner, Heather Watson. It also felt like Watson played really well in that match and and so I'm kind of thinking about it through that. Lens? I went for thorough just because. Matt So. She's really good. And I don't trust myself anymore. I. Lost All. My confidence folks I've got predictions yips and. Really sad sad case detail was starting to get I mean I know this sounds silly but I was really just doubting everything I thought comparing himself to Vince Spadea. When losing streak anyway. I watched the match tonight that she won against Elena Rebecca Cana and I loved the match. It was fantastic I mean rebecca is six toll. She hits the bull so hard on the serve the full on the backhand. But, farrow is just. Just one of my favorite types of player. Just. An athlete. A thinker creative. Good. Looks like good technically constructed groundstrokes once the on just about slapping the ball and hitting incredibly hard but. The. Shape and is designed behind everything and she would you can see her thinking a couple of shots ahead almost and setting things up and she was having to do that in the face of this power coming at her and she and also it was it was a really good atmosphere inside the Chateauguay courts all all the fans that were in the complex were in there pretty much cheering her on and so it did lead to some properly comical. Winners from Rebecca to stone cold silence. Contrast which just I felt that they were almost passive passive aggressive. Silences. But no pharaoh winter break down right at the start. She went to bright down at the start of the third set and she found a way to win. You'll remember your glossing over those moments of author, despair David now that it's all ended up okay. They all may blips on your radar, but at the time. When she went In about four minutes I just I was just becomes. Here we go again. And I'm sure she was thinking about say. David. So is she going to be you'll you'll you'll go now? Is She gonNA every other day A you can own. Mexican. Again. He's. She's. TRICIA Maria. Well. Beckoning. Yeah, she's also into. She One stumble so that is that is to buy informed clay-courters meeting in the third round. Really Righted Z. She still David doesn't have a clothing sponsor Fiona ferry. So. Thinking Hey, she could have either. So if your name brandished across. This is weird. Yeah, all the ten is podcast that would be less. This is getting Stephanus. Password. Anything that lack of clothing sponsors. One of the reasons why she's quite a fun player to walk, she's got a very relaxed vibe on the court kind of. Kind of Bouncy and just up things and she doesn't really look like she's playing in this ultra competitive grandson. She kind of looks like she's just gone down the GM kind of with a tennis racket and found someone to play with and and she's also a really really good competitor doesn't take away any any of that side of game but she's just she just very easy to relate to and she's got to. She's got a quick loose arms where she gets a lot of power on that full. Body in a way that you get the sense that if you handed or baseball bathroom cricket bachelor anything, she could just play it. All right I'm sold on I'm sold on fear Inner Pharaoh. should stick with the women's for for oil saying that's why we all Sutphin Kenan one today against on a book on the Romanian David you compensating covering this on the radio alongside Judy Murray. Kind of A. Similar similar story with with cannon win winning through sort of relying on her competitive instincts to to get over the finish line she does seem. As much as she still doing her has stressing in stumping around the call and the the whole monks of Kenan there. They resort. So this shadow of self doubt that seems to be following her around which is. which is disconcerting to see that in her it's a very different feel to what it was an Australian and I mean, obviously, she run the tournament there. But even if I go back on every other time, I'd seen Kenan play before she won the Australian Open it feels different to that as well, and it may be maybe it's our perception of her maybe it's what we know about her having lost six love six love to rancor in Rome but. She first of all, she did really well to fight back from a set down against a poke down who hits the ball really hard the remaining but so was she she played. Reasonably. Well, can into to get into a winning position, but the the closing stages were just an ordeal and adore deal to watch and a an an ordeal for her. Very, very entertaining at the same time because whereas we found it funny how she stomped around. Monkeys about who who might be upset about a body language in Australia? In this instance it was just so amusing. To see her forty three match points and suddenly she started missing as she missed four shots to to to to. Lose serve off or to offer the offer her opponent to hold right at the end and. So miffed what she that she hadn't taken these chances thereafter when she did all the right things started hitting winners she'd hit a window winner and immediately thrower arms up to say, well, why nothing you do that two minutes ago when you had the chance to finish the match and she was so hard on herself, I, just see her playing. So on the edge all the time and what used to be. Coming across his just she's in every point in every match, and therefore she's a real threat to all the big names now that she is the name. It ends up failing light my word. She's on the edge of combusting any points here and we know that she. Prepares for matches and she's in tears because she's got a self. So worked up about what's coming and how much she wants to win, and that's what comes across. You know how much it means to but it's it also makes me anxious to watch now. And I didn't used fill that that I don't know whether it's me whether it's her but that's what ends up happening. Yeah. If you screen shotted her face of as soon as she won the match point, you would have thought that she would have lost the match. She didn't. She didn't look particularly happy at all and then it was slightly could when. I. First, words of the core interview were great to match and her face was saying it was as she felt the exact opposite about the closing stage I think she was quite pleased with her overall level in the match but just because those closing stages were so vivid doing that encore interview. Totally felt a little bit strange. She she plays Arena Barra. Now of Romania, twenty, five, hundred and forty two in the world I know nothing about her. There's a lot remains in the door on there in the women's draw, they've got real depth these days. But yeah that. I mean obviously that feels like a massive opportunity for cannon but on the other hand I kind of thing, that's a bit of a nightmare for her it just. Ramps up the pressure doesn't it? She's a grand slam champion facing the world number one, hundred and forty to. One hundred percent expected to win that an dating that's the ideal situation for her just at the moment. and. Again, I think the the fact that she she's the classic case of the hunter becoming the hunted, but in her mind more than. It seems and. I think this work for her to do to just adjust to this new situation and actually was I mean I don't know her opponent either at this stage, we'll read up on watcher play but it's one of the lovely things about this event is the number of players have made a real breakthrough here players right two hundred and fifty in the world. Where we think of The Egyptian player that we saw. After a couple of days of the tournament against Bush Giver and and there are many of the player Cocoa Golf. These great stories and people to find out of bounce and and it's an opportunity to learn about who they are did Margarita play today. Christine. Applicable. So yeah. That was straightforward plain sailing. She's through and she faces Danielle, Collins was she gonNa make Daniel Collins. Pushing signed that. Grow fast remember that much. She played against the Denisovich on London a couple of years ago, which ended with the Finger Wyche. I think it was twenty seventeen. When we was playing is defending champion actually choose knocked out by by Madonna Vich in that had been. It's not a sort of perfect comparison but Medina vich indulged in slightly Danielle Collins. S. Antics and mcgruff. The crowd. And worked them a little bit and so. It doesn't take much for the French crown guests on the opponents of. The one that they are cheering for, and then when they sort of tried to give it a round of applause as she departed the court, she whacked fingers if I try and get around now it was a really lost epic Roland Garros. Finger Wag there have been I think to. T EPIC Roland Garros Finger rags that I can in my memory anyway the federal one. Yes the Federal Finger Argon the mcgary finger wag they're both Annapolis didn't didn't grew say something like, Oh, I've heard that she speaks twenty five languages in the press conference afterwards just kind of. Slightly taking little. Sore Irani. S. Saba linka one, two day of Kazakina. Seven six, six, `love announced Chaba straight-set saving. Now he'd been a soldier Bert will play Sabir. Lenka. Could there possibly be a greater contrast of styles than that? Maybe a sort of Nicholas Nicolescu Salamanca. But Anyway, I'm very much if Jabour sub Blanca that sounds great and fights a lot of these great collins mcgary -ther. Petukhov of against Leyla Fernandez Leyla Fernandez seems to be happening. You picked the wrong youngster David. Yes all the other Canadians doing very well in this tournament. Ones we maybe didn't expect. Yes moving onto other Canadian fourteen. Today we have lost the number nine seed Dennis. SHEP follow of playing his a top ten player for the first time in his correctly. No. Yeah 'cause 'cause he lost his top ten ranking a week after we got it. because. Easter. Something without even doing anything about to start. It's got it back I think he's the talk I think he's a top ten seed here but he's yes, he's a number nine, zero eight. He has unfortunately Lohia. Top Ten ranking. Things this week because he's lost in the front shaping in the second round? In five hours to Roberta CABELA's Buena how close to. Accurate. Pronunciation is that Matt? You're pretty good. GotTa by Bina. Oh. Crikey that's not very good tools. All right. We should tell them before said, he's known about Fifty Times on the day cut up I S. noted. Thank you know that. Okay. So I spent the whole of those five hours thinking Oh. My God I'm going to have to probably learn how to say his name held. So cut by by INA. Shovel. We can get shop of our lows Qazis gone five hours. Listed with the much I because we've had some very interesting comments from him off the of the match how? I dipped in and out of this one I, I watched the deciding set I watched his two seven volleys from thirty. All serving to stay in the match and thought what on Earth is he playing here? What was he playing for the whole match? What was the story of that match? Will light you I was in and out but the bits I saw shop out of was really struggling to hit through. Biased by I mean he's he's a kind of play the Spaniard who I find a little bit a little bit hard to talk about without sounding really patronizing because he's one of those players who You would describe as a maximize and making the most of what he has and really consistent and those things will true and he has an incredible attitude in relentlessness to his game. But in comparison to chiappa valve, he is limited as a tennis splash up about a lot more options in his game, and frankly the match was kind of on his racket. But. This was not totally unexpected based on Chapa valves recent form and Grand Slam matches I hadn't quite process the fact that he keeps having really long matches. It slams he hasn't had a straight-sets either loss or win since last year's US opens and nine straight matches. All either four sets of five sets he does he does have this tendency to get involved in lengthy matches. He was he was quite frustrated today I thought know whether it's a new thing or whether I'm just noticing it for the first time because of the lack of fans but he's incredibly vocal between points kind of really shouting at himself and I don't know whether this is as I said something that he's doing more recently whether he's always done that. But I kinda got the sense. It was a more recent thing. He cut he cuts frustrated figure on the court and more hair about his kind of general mental state at this tournament he's he is frustrated and. Think, he was also a bit annoyed that he would the conditions and he couldn't hit through CABELA's. He didn't like the heavy ball and the and the and the slow damp courts and it just didn't really suit him and I think in totally at one hundred, six unforced errors was he was trying to play the match on his terms, but he just didn't didn't have his best tennis on the day and. He was very close to winning. He served for the match twice in the fifth set didn't manage to serve it out. There was a controversial moment involving call that he thought was out and the empire came down an quote and quote it in and Shop Valve has since put up on twitter a screen shot of Hawkeye that was used I think on American TV broadcast showing that Hawkeye thought the ball was out and saying when Hawkeye going to be used on clay now that's. I'm not sure he wants to really be getting involved in that topic I. Think there is a genuine reason why guys not used on clay because it is not accurate enough and they are developing Fox ten I believe to be used as an electronic line calling service on clay but Hawkeye at the moment just isn't accurate enough but I think representative that tweet of a bay frustrated. Dennis trump above and you you ask the hard hitting questions. Matt's here is Here is Matz. And shop evolve post-match I think you came to the net over one hundred times today and I noticed that use volleyed on the last couple of the points of the match just wondering what was the thinking behind that strategy today. I mean. It's impossible to hit a winner with these balls. So figured I might as well come tonight because it's just. Not, GonNa sit there and play. It's our much. Yeah, that's honestly while was coming in there's snow pointed to stay from the back. I think you said earlier in the tournament that you didn't want to talk about the Frank Chapman Babo compared to the US bubble until the end of the tournament. Just wondering on your thoughts on that now whether you could explain, explain the differences and. Honestly, I think they're not doing a good job. You know. There's there's really no bubble. Especially in the second. Hotel I heard. Know Scheduling is absolutely awful I mean after after a five hour match, the play doubles now she's like it's just trust scheduling. It's disappointing I. Mean you're in a grand slam I don't want to sell spoiled. You know, but it's just you expect some. Some help from from from the tournament to to help you compete I, mean, how am I supposed to? Come out and play doubles. Now after five hour match, you know they could it's a first round as well. They could schedule the way better way easier. I mean it's just it's it's not acceptable. And the bubble as well. I mean it's just. There is no bubble you know you can. You can leave the hotel you can go to the city. There's no problem. There's nobody stopping you so. It's New York was on way better Matt Roberts the King of the gentle grilling. Poverty phrased pitched questions. You say. Great. and. He wasn't. He didn't even need. PROBING INTO THAT DID A. There, it was all there waiting to come out. It seemed to me like he was waiting for someone to ask him not to. Mention the words into. Matt Roberts and he went off on this on this rant about it. As you said, it was he was obviously waiting to get off his chest but before we will drill down into our reactions to what he had to say that there were some not dissimilar comments from Alexander's vary last night. He finished late last night came into press after we'd recorded I think But this is what he had to say about the bubble I think he was asked to compare it to to New York. He said Yeah you can't compare the bubble you just simply can't New York I feel the tournament because that was the first they wanted to impress US players they wanted to do. Something amazing which I honestly think they have the hotel was obviously not a five star hotel. But how they've done everything in the lobby everything with the Games with the Gulf simulated with the basketball with the mini golf or Alex with all the different kinds of entertainment stuff how they did the outside area with massive screens how did the food trucks every day? A different food truck? How they did just everything. If I like a massive camping trip with all the tennis players, the onsite stuff was amazing. Obviously, the sweets helped how did everything on site the entertainment on site with quite incredible as well the spacing incredible here nothing really has changed to a non tournament except that there is less people we still have a players areas. We don't have the entertainment that we did in York the hotel is not really a bubble. There were other guests staying there in the room next to me the guests, regular guests staying there were souvenirs every single day that they come from the Eiffel Tower and stuff like that. I love he's nosing in on on what? To receive news his neighbors are coming back with every day I mean. It's pretty clear. There isn't really a bubble. I don't know if the F. F. T. ever called it a bubble don't think they have. Been, balloon. Yeah. Because it is. It's not a he doesn't have any of the defining features of A. Of A bubble. What was your initial when all said what he said my? SORT. Of initial reaction to it well, slightly. Off The call and he's lost, these are going to be quite emotional reactions. Probably said, this is probably sort of extreme of how he feels about it. But I thought it was interesting because most of various comments were about the stuff that was laid on for the players and how that isn't the same at the French Open and yet no fee tracks no food trucks no mini golf notice kickball if you WanNa win ATP fly funded event of the year again David Feet feed trucks. Eight trucks at cranes. So I thought it was interesting. CHIAPPA valve talked more about kind of the safety element of it and his concerns about people coming and going and. So is clearly kind of two two pronged issues that plays feel about the bubble of not having enough to do maybe in the bubble and that's probably. A bigger concern for the players on a day-to-day basis, spor- to the realistically less of a concern in reality I think the comments about people being able to come and go and those are quite concerning I think, and especially, if you know if it's all on the players to take personal responsibility, you know it's possible that if a case comes in later in the tournament could be serious issues in terms of jeopardizing whether these matches can even happen. So they made me made me slightly uneasy about the next few days ahead knowing that. It's possible that players are not being very strict with themselves in terms of maintaining social distancing and kind of trying to maintain some kind of bubble even if there is an official one. I think. I think some of what he said does sound spoiled. But I will say think he. Has a point. I think it's one of these things if it's a bit like when you lose because of an injury. Probably. It's just so unwritten. It looks bad to come in and save lockers an injury and it must. Hurt to kind of have to suck it up. and. From a journalistic point of view I'm very grateful that he's said what he said. Because I want to hear about how the bubble is from. You know if I were his PR person, I've Wouldn't be delighted that he said that because I think bits of it. Do sound a tad spoiled i. think the shedding stuff about. Having to play doubles after five sets a I mean, it is not unusual to be scheduled to play. Doubles match off to your singles i. mean that's what you'll does we signing up for potentially when you enter the doubles and? Talk to employers play the double exactly and. Told you to play for our Stennis. So yeah, I think I think that sounds just kind of. whiny. Emotional. Forgivable whiny. But that kind of detracts from some of the quite important points the the he was making that and all of them really echo what we've been trying to put our fingers on about about why this feels so so different to to the US Open and while the USA is embracing being Grand Slam in in a pandemic, the French Open is. Seemingly, ignoring being a grand slam in a pandemic. I, think is trying to be itself but with whatever restrictions that placed on them and it doesn't that kind of just fit alternate with their own respective identities they actually go if you think about it because an and actually if you look all these events, the same thing Wimbledon has a conservative and. Thought through process of having had pandemic insurance. So it didn't need financially to run itself I mean it couldn't anyway I know that it couldn't but it ends up giving lots of money to all the plaza looked-after. That's very Wimbledon. The US Open still wants to have this the show and it wants to be able to make the players go. Wow. and. It has the space to do it as well. That's the other thing the French. Just open just doesn't really. It's not too bothered about that I'm in. We're putting the tournament on. This is a wonderful tournament you turn up and play. Don't does your choices, but there's an incoherences y have they. On the hotel's front, they've been stricter than the US Open. They have said everybody no matter how big a superstar you all even if you're prepared to pay for your own security, etc, you have to stay in these two designated titles. What is the point of that? If these hotels are just open to to anybody and not? Not, any kind of bubble what what is that achieving it doesn't seem coherent to me at all and as much as it. will sound spoiled from ultimate Nina tennis balls to be complaining about that. I think they absolutely have have a point. I mean look I agree with you and to me, the common sense thing to do is to create a bubble and to do it I guess more at the US Open did it. I think where I would probably come down on this is that if the French Open gets to the end of the tournament and they've not had a big covert problem and fingers crossed, that is the case based on those. Comments from shop of Alvin Zverev about the the measures that are in place in the fact that they're not strict as the US. Open, I would kind of feel like maybe they've got a little bit lucky with at all whereas at US Open I felt fairly confident that they were doing absolutely everything. They could in terms of maintaining safety and keeping the event as secure as possible it is going to be interesting isn't it? We've also had the the the the stories breaking the phenomenon va Dusko intends to to sue the the. I mean that's it's just words at the moment. But but he has signaled his intention to to do that. For his removal from the tournament and I think that's something that diminish Jim who was talking about as well. But obviously, that's kind of a watch this space. Situation I've read this sort of. The the skeleton of his argument of why he thinks he's to legal case but. Yeah. We'll. If if the moment arises, we will drill down into that in in some detail. We had never Jovic the top seed playing today against record is Branca's walked were baron cases Alz. Prior to the match Matt they were thirty three to one. So had David elected to go. Gamble. Big. On Barranca, today, he could earn himself three engine thirty three thirty points be decided not to go big. Brian Kiss. Mama had. About ten minute period. How Great? We're all. Like David, it might pointed up and everything. Yeah. But I come on that match and I mean it was just not remotely competitive jackovitch again for the second match just looked. Fabulous he looked so focused right now there was one little moment where smashed the soul of his shoes with his racket in frustration missing. And knocking the class but. Just generally I'm an and it may be partly because just the the opposition he's had so far. Blank is very similar to the first round opponent. Michael Emma. Good players just. Don't have the tools to hurt him, but he just looks really focused and ready and determined actually determined to. I think. Probably it's it's a manifestation of of the old resilience of. Things having gone against him in his mind which. They did in the US Open, his own fault but. I think he wants to. Put the record straight by coming in wooden this thing. Now I think he's if one, the US Open I think he I'm not so sure he he would look quite as granite will does he does right now he looks as though he he wants to win this as much as ever seen him on a win something it looks absolutely determined. To to go and take this. That's interesting. The looking at the top of the draw. I think the only player. Of the player left in it. That I would give even the slightest chance against Yokich is set to pass. He was very good today discuss. I'll just quickly jump in with one more name before David talks about sits surpass I know. David. Works that match with a big smile on his face And I think you would have to say about Easter Goo would have a bit of chance against Djokovic given. Because the head to head and the way he can. He can match Djokovic consistency from the baseline I think he can straight Djokovic I certainly wouldn't be addicting him to win that match but I I would say he has. More chance than anyone else in the top half of the draw probably sits surpass. Yeah I think those two names. Less. Sorry. Do you think has less of a chance on play then he would on a hardcourt even though which is better on a hardcourt? Yes I think. So I think all of his wins maybe against Jackovitch have come on a hard call Yes. So I would say so I think about taste to Google is a better player on a hardcore as well and Helps, helps him get the most out of his game in that matchup whereas I think maybe Klay would be a decent surface for sit surpassed to play Djokovic on I was watching the today and. A different experience torturing him today compared to that first round he seems to have settled and adjusted to the conditions and it was a reminder of how how well he's game does actually suit the clay he's got time on the ball and it doesn't. It doesn't really impact his sliced can which I think is. Watching, Hardcore Grad school I think that shot communicate expose but on clay doesn't really have to hit that so much and he's he's physical and strong, and there's just there's just a lot to like about his game on clay and. Yeah he was. He was really great in in control today against an opponent who is very good. clay-court vast pushed him pushed much closer in Hamburg last week. So I think sit surpasses maybe kicked on another level to what he was sharing in Germany even last week. Yeah. Needed today to be straightforward I. Think of the off the what he did a couple of days ago a couple of nights ago really because that was really late finished for him. Wasn't it and his first round against me now plays bed name next expect him to come straight out and then it's j- Juneau who could be lurking in the fourth-round David that we've not even talked about. Greg. He's still in the tournament for who who would griego to play. Well, Dimitrov now plays Kara, bias Buena. Earlier. Today. How was it great sort of good that. The winner of that would face the winner of sit surpass Beden. Oh now, that'd be really good to watch. So so we would have had Dimitrov. Shepherd. Valve a rematch from the Rome match. Yes. But we WANNA straight-sets a Dmitrov in his second round match. Yeah, it would I mean off to failing to remove his trousers it'll it'll be. Better from that. Was that he had that classic incident of not properly undoing the ZIP on his tracksuit trousers and thinking he could get them off over his shoes and he was he was doing what's he came onto call he was sat down in his chair trying to take off his tracksuit trousers and the umpire called for the coin toss. So suddenly not only was he struggling to do it he had time pressure to try and do and that just made things even worse. Tangle with it, and then he walks to the coin toss with one one leg in tracksuit trousers and the other lake sort of stuck in and. Have continued the process of trying to remove them. Well, the coin toss was was going on and the only thing that saved him was that he slightly started out on the end not falling over while he was standing on one leg trying to get off that was the only thing he really. Oh totally he really panicked by getting up to the the coin. Toss. We all know that moment is like slightly niece get lost Strength Fund your way out for Turtleneck. and. There's a split second where you think well, I'm just going to be stuck in this. Forever my life now is having my head in the sleeve of Turtleneck. I could see that moment. I'm going to have to play the match with one trouser leg on. But. luckily, luckily found his way out of that pickle and he wasn't very straightforwardly and still in the tournament and we're not talking about him, but we have just talked about him. But I would like to see supposed immature of please that would be great with respect to curb is Bina. That's lost time doing that today. Rube one today he plays Anderson. Rube love could struggle. Jovic. Nine. Well I. I'm really impressed with him I. Think he's he's he didn't. He did incredibly well to get through that match against query the other day I what a fighter years Blair he's got great heart. You know it's not. He's not played. I. Don't feel like I've taken a huge notice all over the years because he's he came along and then he disappeared will health and probably his body was a bit too young for what he was trying to ask it and now he's just Built his game up and I always think back to that match you and Catherine watched in the pub together in New York last year when he beat curious in straight-sets that that match will always occur to me with regard to him Miss Pulps. And New York. Car. Couldn't. Heroes I like the. I would say that I like the way he goes after the ball he said of done he beats himself before match sits down Downhill Medvedev on hard court in which case got chance. So I I'm I'm trying to work out whether whether Jock itch on a clay-court also caused a similar problem, but I think it was still probably sit up a little bit more fame to have a go at the ball and he's got the the necessary violence and his game to hurt most players. So I'd actually really like to see that if he would play well against, Djokovic should be a good match you dreams could come tree, David? Liz anybody stunning with Jay respect to Christian Garin Karen Hat Chenoweth. Gallon is drug is next opponent. Yes. I'm looking up the first name he seems to have to initials Daniel. Elahi Gallon Your. He's the chesapeake coming noory burns. Today. I think against Tennyson Burn. Yes. So, that is took of his next pray. and then it would be Garrincha and then. We'll see after that tomorrow's order if play is good, this is the the most exciting looking order play we've had I think say for the tournament Casper Rudin, Dominic Team I, appreciate your help. Anisimov over a replay of last year's Quarterfinal Carolyn? Garcia installations lease mountains, and then. Stefan Steph step the first name. Travel. Steffano think. Stefan I was GonNa say Stefanos and then I thought Oh my God I just assuming that old Italians a stefan. Nice defined Nature Valley against Rafael. Nadal long learn is fit Alina against Alexandra she belts the Baldur's Alexandra for rinker against guest on H. He's yeah. He's the only French man left in the drawer and I think he's ranked somewhere in the two hundreds. It's not been not been a good to them, and this was also the first just getting all my frank facts out the way. This was also the first time they haven't had a seated woman at Roland Garros I think since I think since the late eighties so it was kind of gives you gives you a sense of where French tennis is at the moment. Series. I. Still Think Garcia recede because it's ludicrous that she's not oscillated. Chris. Vernon Kagan and then, and then it's verve against checking a that could be interesting very interesting and then syntax against. Kiki buttons. Much Simone. Mature. Bouche against. Learns a Sinaga Data Fritz Norbert combos against Yeager Schwartzman. And Martina Trevisan Mircea Sakari elsewhere anything of interest yanic sinner He Faces Federico Corey on court fourteen just keep it lonely UNAC- center I. Think he's doing things he might be happening. And he's an he's bit re Blake is not fade live on wiry is looking at him thinking where does that power come from? It actually, it's a very similar type of Physi- can power. I'm just looking I think I've slightly misunderstood I thought rib levels a quarterfinal opponent for. Jovic itch and he's actually a quarter-final opponent. It would appear. FACILIT- surpass. Yes. But but yeah, I mean. So even if sit sebastian maker and. I'm wondering about rupe leavened. Sits about because they played that final in Hamburg. So, this is all sorts of mental baggage law. We love our new drama to come. This week is no and it's Bertini? Bertini. Roberta sister they are the likely options for Djokovic in the quotas. So. I think that's it for today David. You're not going to get the the courtesy of going I in the predictions are not now you're on a big role. Bark. Come back home. yes. Take it. GonNa take a long hard look at the play unfortunately. Now you've got there's more pressure. It's a different kind of pressure, but you've got something to lose now. So you know we'll see. It's a soul about mindset now now i. Feel like I'm on a roll. Yeah can warn British all day role. We wish you well tomorrow David. But, with no mercy now that you've got you one victory. Enjoying the PODCASTS I'm sure if David presenting it's a tell your friends you know tell you. And leaves an I change review that's something I never never say to do is leave an it review tell your friends and tweet about us. Take talk about us. Everything, he like really starts. Dude. Just keep enjoying tennis protocols, clubs your and we'll be back for another one of these smart.

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French Open Day 3 - Osaka escapes. Watch out; Zverev struggles but survives. Murray/Soares split

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French Open Day 3 - Osaka escapes. Watch out; Zverev struggles but survives. Murray/Soares split

"Hi, I'm John McEnroe's board. This is Martina Navratilova. I'm Mats Wilander Dunbar, Inca, I'm Lleyton Hewitt. I'm Andy Murray, and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Welcome along to three of the friendship. Been third day in row were Matt Roberts and myself risk. Find ourselves in the media restaurant is sort of become our spiritual home from home. It's Paris's Putney exchange, and it's new and improved this time, because we have cheese and we have meat cheese, meat and Coney shown, and industrial quantity of butter, which is how they serve the cheese meeting corner shown here in Paris. I'm not complaining. It's absolutely fine. I wouldn't mind a sort of utensil with which to distribute the buzzer, but apart from that. All good. I love vinegary corn shown. It's like Andy Murray, dinas knew how do your strawberries. Everyone says with creamery says with my fingers apparently supposed to be spreading the BUSTER, with offing. The way she say that. Yeah. There's a great, I think it's a Wimbledon and one of these promo things, and they ask all these players. How'd you let your stories and they say with cream and then marriage just goes with my fingers? Well, that I mean we very much in the spirit of that way we meet cheese, butter and pickled vegetables with our fingers, and it's great it is. And we have an interesting day of tennis to dissect to my, it's not quite over because count won't vis took to the Philip Chettri about four minutes ago. I mean what time is it now? Eight pm eight fifteen pm in the ado wonder if he was given the option. He and his opponent would given the option to, to switch to moment, which finished hours ago and Gail said thanks. Well, yeah. The Konta person who would prefer the spotlight and the stage of being on last on trae to thinking ahead and actually thinking what would be sensible for his tool and wanting to pay on get as much down on another cord? He's in hurry. This five love food fifteen maybe it was the right decision after that, it certainly is a twilight zone match tonight. And not is because. Play his gone, so slowly on Philippe Chacha today, not least, because Alexander's Vero took about seven hours longer than he ought to have done to, battle pas John millman in five sets in the first much of the day out there. But also because wall Samana Hallo defending champion got involved in three sets of I think we want to talk first of all my about the world. Number-one Naomi soccer he came out onto Philip chat show, her first ever match might call her first-ever time playing a grand slam as a world, number one. And she loses the first set six love to all bit at tough first round opponent particular play Anna, cowardliness meat. And it wasn't a six love set that was less one-sided than it sounds. It was a six love set. That was an absolute demolition job. She could bury. Find the string. She looked flat. She listless. She looked so far away from winning tennis match. It's untrue. And yet she fought back. She twice had to break back to prevent schmead deserving out the match. She took it to a second break the second set tiebreak, and she eventually won through in a fairly one sided the that, but it wasn't a match, which at the feel of on this soccer will will definitely make it three one way or another it absolutely felt like she was going out for a big portion that much she was on the brink multiple times. And I've just been in her press conference and the first line of press conference, which always -cation your was learned so much about soccer and thought processes and what she's feeling and the first line was that was the most nervous I've ever been in my life. Just she just came out straight away with that candor. And which is extraordinarily considering this is a woman who has played grand slam finals. And yet it was the Frank show around one which was most nervous experience. And she was asked why. She's, she's never done a university, French oral has she met that is a very good point. Yes, I was just having the thought process. Ever been in my life anyway. I digress. And he's giving me chills just thinking about carrying tents, and she said, it's I could give logical reasons. The fact that it was all the reasons you've just listed her first national chat trae, number one slam for the first time, she's won the last two, and she really really, really does want to win this one, and yet, she said, I'm not allergic person, I can't explain it in those terms I just was. But the thing that struck me most about washing soccer today was how badly she played in that first set. And yet, I still think we saw the reason why she is so special and so good because lowest ebb she found strength, and she was four five down in the second-set schmead level was about to serve for the match. She was head in town at the kings vans, and she didn't and ironic. Thumbs up to her books Andy Murray s Murray style sarcastic books. Yeah. Demonstration look at what I'm doing here. Isn't this isn't this terrible was was how she explained that? And yet, at that moment, she came out and played her best game of the whole match to break back. She then handed it straight back with more errors. And then she did the same thing again broke back playing really. Well, I, I find it incredible the way she's able to find that strength. And we saw it in the Australian Open final when she played Petric bitter when she will sobbing into a she went off the call. Didn't she when she lost that second set in the final, and she came out and put an amazing third-set? It's an incredible quality that she has. And it wasn't a really was tennis wise a pool performance poor performance. I mean she found what she needed to the back end of the second and an. The third and she'd broke in the spirit, I think, schmead liver by that point, but tennis wise, pretty poor performance. I was really thinking she's still not nailed the sliding. She was doing a little bit of it. She thought she was better at it backwards and forwards than than the lateral sliding movement. But I mean it's clear, she's, she's not spent a lot of time on this earth. And I came away from that much thinking, well, Naomi soccer movement in the French Open. I really now feel like she plausibly could win the French Open. I completely agree. She she does have a tough draw as Rinker next possibly Sakari before we've been talking about a second week, Sakari think one through in absolutely. Blistering serious demolition job. She's now a plate, she's in the category of player that does demolition jobs rounds if slams as rancor I mean, I think we would just about expecting to get the better of panko today, but Matt hit me with the stat. This is this is. I mean it deserves drum rule. But I haven't got the means means to produce that, but yes, Ostapenko ze Frank show record by match wins per year. Twenty fifteen zero twenty sixteen zero twenty seventeen seven twenty eighteen zero twenty nineteen zero talk about efficiency, and sort of go bigger. Go home efficiency is the best possible depend on that patent. But. If you if you Elena spent four years again, Elena, you can have all alone. Elena alona. You can have seven wins at the French Open for the next five years. How would you like them to be distributed? Absolutely perfectly in keeping with her as this incredibly, streaky player, who would either be. Awful really awful all incredible and take their academic hand and records demonstrates it beautifully. And I think someone replied on Twitter saying that she's never won a doubles match chair or junior, Matt share. So literally, the only seven matches that she's one took it to the title. Wouldn't it be fantastic? If she in a weird way never wins another job. Not quite up six nine. Adele has lost a couple of months, you say but it's sorta the opposite records in adult. Yes. Yeah. And David I saw put on Twitter that it similar to the question here, Tim Henman about whether he would rather be really consistent or have sort of one slam Chile would you what you'll career for marriages? And I think this question is Austin in twenty fifteen of the year off the ranch won his US open. Title, and he said, in a heartbeat. Yes. Should have gone on to reach more than finals has now. But. Just shows that being to pay just for one week is put to it. It elevate. She doesn't it. Gravestone will say French Open champion. Absolutely. And on that. Bleak bombshell. We move on. So as a ranking now plays. That's right. Yeah. And as a soccer didn't know that she was, she's she was that was sprung on her press. And she said, okay, she hadn't looked to the draw. And what was the reaction? She said she thinks it's going to be one of the toughest she's had this year because she recognizes that Seraing because playing really well and a very different match to one shit today and has had recently. Had to do her on-court post much interview wearing a very elaborate poncho heavens at open pretty much the moment she finished her match. She had you have to stay on court to do this quick interview in the corner. And she saw on the screen that she was marching in what looks like a sort of Handmaid's tale type item. Is this an opportunity for us to cover outfits map because since possibly third gate? We haven't we have an update dated people on the other one strategies been circulating the courts, Roland Garros this year, Carl admant. I don't mind. I don't mind it as a thing, but on car. I just don't think it's very Kyle admant. I mean it's a suit of floral top. I think I don't think our Edmund things. It's very hard to either though does he because he was asked about it, and he said, what ended up talking about the French? Revolution in press, which I think, is an avenue intended to go down. But that was where we found ourselves, the French revolution, which my French of seventeen Eighty-nine my French teacher said, if you want to get into any apartment block in Paris, and it's got a coast just type in some combination of seventeen Eighty-nine near will get in. So I've always always kept that in mind, whenever I'm in Paris. Kept that in mind for the purposes of breaking and entering whenever the need might rise. Yeah. My, my feelings on coil admits outfit. And if you haven't seen it just just find us over computer and have a look at it all Bush, the book of ridge, it is a floral, top, and a sort of polkadot parachutes other apparently, that bees or flies or wasps or something rather than polka dots. And apparently, they're not flowers this skeleton linked to the French revolution. I think that the top would look great on a lot of people not. I think the shorts with great on a lot of people. Not Kyle admit, I think the combination of the two would get on everybody. Yeah. Agreed. But I do think it's quite nice to have an outfit, that does kind of get you interested in talk. Would you see a lot of very bland outfits? And I'm in favor of a little bit of experimentation and something a bit different. Can I just say one thing on the south? Yes. Please. Please do. So another one of the potentially logical reasons why she might have been. She said. And I do think this was a factor that she said, almost wanting to prove people wrong. I think she has noticed that some people have been saying that she's had a bad year, since you're strain open, and she doesn't think she has. And I think performing on clay is a big motivation for to show. Look, I'm backing up their strain open. No matter what anyone else, says, I am and she in the best way to be able to demonstrate that would be having a run here, just sort of further convincing me might win the friendship in because I think. Defines is so often, a trait in tournament winners and chip on the shoulder of some sort is a is a very potent motivator. And I think coming through much like this for hers really significant because we saw that in Melbourne when she shakes away in a match where she was in all sorts of other she somehow managed to figure out and then produce brilliant, tennis for the rest of the tournament, and I asked to impress about that match. And I said, does a performance like this while you're not playing well. Almost met you feel a bit. Invincible. This just having a chance. It was me now in a lot of people. And because the traveling Japanese press pack is huge unreal with for soccer Nishikori, especially and taro Daniel who's not doing so well at the moment against Gilmore fees enjoying the prison sunset. Yeah. But I just thought says she said, no, it doesn't make me invincible. But it does give me a lot of hope for when I am playing better because she knows that she can women this. And what is she going to be able to do when she's playing well? Doc is gonna win the. None of us have predicted today that I changed my mind, the persuasion of Simon. Briggs last minute went for push. You went for Halla. She couldn't in three sets today, Matt. Yeah. Didn't see a huge amounts of it because other things going on. But yeah, right for my prediction, when she did when she was pushed into set then she got a crucial break at the start of the third. I think that was very, very important. And the bits I did see I thought she was playing playing okay. But I think Tomjanovich really, really to play well, interesting comparisons. I mean say, lots of non comparisons. But in terms of what Naomi soccer saying they're impress about the desire to pre people wrong and her feeling that she has had a good year in spite of people's perceptions of such very valley's, undeserved said, very similar things impress today, he says, I'm kind of getting bored of this narrative about the body era. I'm having a needed a bit vendetta dome of the rate. He said where am I in the race? And, and the resulted in the room where people pondered whether or not that was a rhetorical question. And he went well, I'm in the top ten in the race which I kind of felt like but year yet, but you'll the guy that's always telling us that your future world. One eight. I know because you've told us that being top ten in the race isn't good enough by your standard. So don't try and fool me with being top ten in the race. And if the ended now he wouldn't HP finals defending his title. He has been telling us that was a good year. He has had a year below expectations. And I do also wonder how many of those two fifty points, he just wanting Geneva have catapulted the race a little bit. I reckon, he will. Yet he wasn't. We could go any was sixteen seventeen or whatever. Himself in a really tight spot against John millman today, ended up in five sets well over four hours. He won through. He really battled really for this is a guy that has looked, flat and lacking in fight at times. This is there are, there are positive signs in that respect, but tennis wise, Matt. Was he doing is he doing? He has become this six foot six inch counterpuncher? He has weapons. Why isn't a using them his confidence? Is it just confidence because it seems so obvious? Yeah. I think it probably is confidence. I think even I saw a little bit of him in Geneva last week and he was doing it then as well. Even when he was winning that title. And it's just not going, he's going to scrape through matches like this, but he's not going to cause any damage Shifa keys because for one he'll himself out, which is what he did when he was playing really well, and primesee Buddha, gone further than that quarterfinal had he not exhausted himself. So this year, when he doesn't have the form and confidence coming in to I mean I was surprised at how Chipper he was of the veggie. He said yes to come into the US boost which I wasn't teams as pretty chip. When you go there, I'm sure the, the relationship he has with, with Boris Becker, which, I believe, really close one, actually, I think they're sort of always on the phone to another. I'm sure that was a fighter I was expecting him to be for guy that thinks he should be winning these grand slam titles getting taken to five sets and four plus hours. Probably unnecessary five sets ready with respect respected to John millman in the first round should be pretty annoyed about it. I mean I can imagine even Lendl saying. No, that's not you know, that's not the plan here. The plan is grandson, champions, generally tend to get the job done early and conserve themselves, in, in the early rounds but Lendl ain't head. No. He is allergic to clay. He's developed. Allergy to the first week of the French Open, that is, that's what we're being told. Yeah. Apparently he might be I think he'll definitely be back for Wimbledon. And if he goes deep, then he might come back for the period and, and brave the pollen what, what worries me about serve about this sort of ball machine mode, that he seems to go into is that he's doing it in really tight moments. And I think tight moments are where you display your true colors. If you like because that's when your natural instincts, kick in anything, right? I need to take this match now. And he's not he's just grinding away pushing the ball back not taking the initiative, and for guy who has so much to offer much power. It doesn't doesn't make a whole sense. But he to me out there like a guy with all the tools, but the needed a really good coach. Yeah. As far as we're being told he's coached by even Lendl aren't believe even told him to go out there and play like that. So I I don't I don't understand the current landscape if Sasha's verve no, I'm we should we probably should say that we always do give Lendl of credit for his coaching skills. It is it is possible that, you know, just because it worked with Andy Murray doesn't mean it, it's going to work with various. Yeah. And of course, as, as you've really could make the point made the point before Andy Murray was an awful look closer. He just needed that last crucial. But that lost tiny push didn't he that final lost ingredients sprinkl, sold very of needs more than does. It's a fair is in a very different place in his career to where Andy Murray was when my report, then it's a bigger risk. It doesn't if. If Lendl doesn't give him what he needs. Where does he go then? Yeah. Well Boris now that you've mentioned that. But I think he's, I think he's already getting stuff from Boris. I say he's tapping the Boris. Yeah. Whatever whatever I. The rich seam of Boris. Move me on Matt meal, just one funnel comment about for oversea. We should say he won credit him full doing that because it looked like he was gonna lose. And even when he's playing badly, his background is still a mouthful. And I just think Jamila must be having a lot of regrets because those short ball. Approach shot and he could have gone to the four hundred and he went back cameras was deep in the fifth sets hit a perfect lob over moments head and didn't lose another point after that he then one Berkman so out to love. And I just think moment could have that shot back. He would go to verse four hundred because has four hand, I said, maybe it's stilling Geneva someone came back and said, I think it's twenty eighteen. Which I thought was fair point. Whatever you do. Sasha's very don't go on Twitter all day for tennis. Great content. Great content. Don't portray one three in four sets? The first nNcholas Jerry Noche aim in that Nicolas, Jerry. Very good clay-court player. Caroline Garcia, one three over on long known as Capri in straight-sets Madison keys wanted commercial medicine case. Thing we didn't talk Madison case enough. I was looking at her record. She she in the mix. I think she's in the mix. She is in that top section with a circus Akari as in Katrina loaded top section of women's draw, but she has reached the quarterfinals or better in four of her last six slams and semi finals halos. The she is very consistently slams, and she had a very comfortable win today. Think of consistent, I think of her is all or nothing. Yeah, but I think she's I think she's consistent at the slams and kind of all, or nothing the rest of the year. And she won Charleston didn't cheat and this year. So. Okay. So I'm we'll revise will keeping my eye on Madison keys Fabio Fanini one through keeping an eye on him. Be under Sepe, which is a we, we say that. That's the sort of grand slam. Right of passage. Yes. Yeah. 'cause folded that the near this up this year last year when he had his run. Sub Alenka one. She did she beat civil Kover. I'm I'm sad about the fact that lots of things Saab linka winning. And that section of the women's draw is incredibly open because comes of eight lost in that section and ver had to draw other tournaments breaks contact within the mix. He did. Next time. He's doing that. So one of these people reached the quarter-finals sampling. Makoba Anisimov, Verka stare stowe's Alexander begau impulse over so about your pronunciation MC over Matt. Mc mc? I I'm not correct. I don't know. I took a shot. Okay. Great. We'll stick with. It's all about confidence. With ferns Asians learned that from Greg. He all my gosh. I never apologized. I apologized on. But you did an Instagram stories. So so within twenty four hours, I've set myself up now. Greg, apparently, it is Ramos, louder. And I sent my professor apologies meeting on. Kazakina, one congressman's, we've only talked about his outfit. We haven't talked about the fact that he won. She do Brit corner Stewart. Okay. Call been one. He wanted positively aren't conditions as you so nicely. Put it was freezing yet. I mean it was it was like we've been transported to a different climate to, to what we were in last night's at nine thirty pm when that much was cooled off a bad Lloyd's, five all in the fifth. Yes, sir resumed today with this sort of sudden death type format. I was kind of thinking with us because you needed to have a fast start. But equally didn't want to have a faster and not leave anything in the tank, it was this really fascinating situation. And cardamon to is immense credit played it so. Well, he just didn't miss, and he won. Eight of the ten points and return shoddy serve really. Well and won the two games that took him into the next round. Found the confidence and calm that he had today. But I went out and wolf was hermit breakfast. I was gonna say eight cool spread I it was. I mean he's thoroughly convinced me that having fooling Lynch, plus a panel Shukla is, is, is the way to achieve great things in your day. That's more he was dining for breakfast today. And, and boy did that work out for him. But then I also went out to watch his practice on corner born this morning. That was I was up around about ten AM. And I just I watch him and I thought, oh, he's gonna win this. I thought I felt like he had a hundred percent confidence and always signed every autograph. It was this a usually my anxiety radar. Goes off against ROY sort of a sense of fellow anxiety ridden person. And I didn't today felt like he'd sort of created this bubble around him or something, like it hit new toys himself. I just suddenly suddenly felt like oh, it's fine. He's got this. That's frustrated because I agree. He does seem like an anxious person. And this was a situation where you'd think that anxiety will come out having to sleep on that on that match and. Yeah, he played so well in those opiate ten points but he handled the situation a lot better than Jeremy shoddy. He said he felt like it was really significant that he was serving I, he got to put the pressure right back on right back on. Jeremy surely be I was I was so impressive today. And I, I really hope you can carry that threes quite as next, which is tricky. I think really tricky. Yeah. He's, he's in section of the drawer with some very experienced coaches. Because even if he gets through that is probably team after that brutal section I and I hadn't even considered as section because. I thought he was I lose shoddy apologies, Dan. Evans lost in four perky, stiffen Davidenko, which is a really good showing. He is still in doubles alongside Cam. Nori. He did not put on a plucky showing I mean he lost in, in three sets to. Somebody who Frenchman could Ben TRE sheet venture venture. She is. Pronouncing that funnel tea which goes against what we learned. It goes against everything I prepared for, in my university, French oral shudder. Yeah, it was a set you. I think, and I, I don't to be. There's anyway, not to be her on camera. We for this is really rare. You see a top one hundred player play that badly ever, I think it was awful horror show. He he couldn't find the call. And he said that didn't he said, I just couldn't play today. And but what was a bit frustrating was that he didn't really want to engage in an analysis the match she he basically said, I wasn't playing well, but my opponent played really well, and it oppose opponent, Franks qualifier played well, but he didn't play six three six love six too well against camera Nari. Who is, you know, kind of established top sixty fifty player now and it was a really really bad performance, and I thought given the he could have been facing cares in the first round. It was up for -tunities, but we kind of thought. He probably padded the question away impressed by whether he would rather play the curious, but any work any worse. And I think it would have suited his personality of it more than being the favorites in, in that match. Yeah. I mean when I was about it on this is before he, he knew he was replacing an curious in the jewel, but I often Bundy said it. Yeah, that's a shame. I would have liked to play curious. I was looking forward to, to getting on a decent court say, but I mean it had a couple of days to get over it. And by that point, I just, I don't know whether the best thing with, with a performance that horrifying is to just treat it as a an incident vacuum. A move on straight away or that says she really unhealthy need to deeply analyze it to, to ensure that it never happens again. I, I don't know. I know his parents were watching today, and they, they live in New Zealand. They bet ever get the chance to watch in play and not just. Inside breaks my heart little bit any other we need to we need to wrap this up 'cause I've spent forty? Going down avenues that I should never have embarked upon any other notable results. The one of the world's oldest tennis matches happened today between the seventh oldest the seventh oldest in grand slam. Open era history, seventy seven years, three hundred sixty three days and one by the elder of the two year old Yvo convicts, beating thirty seven year old Feliciana Lopez in a match took a while it was kind of cruel that they were playing for so long. But I mean if kind of sticks around, which we think he will with that serve. He could if he plays federal in two or three years time federal still giving. They could get that record. Just be the seven. Some in college could ain't react trick tennis records fooling. All the serving records every time he plays. I'm reporting some kind of geriatric tennis record being broken just very quickly. We should probably took on Jamie Murray, Bruno Suarez lost in the first round today. That will be the end of their punishment. That's the last match ever played. They lost thirteen in the unseeded Italian pairing Suarez is now good team with Mattie Pavitt and Jamie Murray is going to team up with Neil scope. Ski, he's confirmed that the relationship they've agreed for, for the remainder of the year. I don't know what's gonna happen to Kinski it feels a bit. Mila bandy, doesn't it? That chain of events, but it seems from the quotes that I've read that Jamie's decision they bring being the loved each today's very accepting of it. They've had some great successes together, mostly sort of front-end did in their relationship. Although if they've had plenty of OB slightly less significant grand slam since their first twelve months together, but it's been a very successful partnership. But yeah. Run at schools. Got them both. I slam. Yes. I think they were both. They both been immense. Men's doubles mixed both been knocking on the door with previous partners. And you might have thought that if they both wanted to win a slam they would have wanted to team up with someone who ready want them and stubble slam. But as it turned out, they folks really successful pairing, as you said, couple of slams number one in the world, but it did kind of feel like it was this was coming with the sort of sliding results that we've seen this year. Yeah, it did it make it. It's only about it makes me sad and having midseason get a percent off, you know, our in first round of the Frank show. And it's a shame that is that is happened like that. Yeah, yeah. But we wish them well with new partners. Interesting, they've both pedal with, with plays significantly younger than than Jamie is thirty three Bernice worries. I checked today's thirty seven yeah. So maybe it is time for them to sort of aggregate town. The yes. A bit t- t increase longevity is because if Eli either college can keep paying singles to these forty and they see compress on. Forgiveness Nase how long? Yeah. Well, I suppose the Bryans both so that they haven't opted for younger models in a cow alongside. But my interpretation is that Jamie's just desperate Wimbledon. Yeah. Desperate to win men's doubles at Wimbledon. He thinks it's more likely to happen, if you make a change than if he sticks, and he's winning he wants so much he's willing to gamble. I could be wrong. But why wouldn't why wouldn't it be desperate to mobile? That's mind tation order plate for tomorrow. Features eleven hundred champion ref on Long Island. We think that's okay. He's on long. Learn 'cause movers on. He's made way for the often coming 'cause mover indeed and. Yeah. Federal takes is spot on trade. Let's see if let's see federal gets along match later on in the tournament putting out them because I think they think is, it's probably last year could be his last year. And therefore, they don't want to risk him going out on long, then, like he did court won Wimbledon, like and his loss, loss hair was on Longland his funnels Reverend content was on London. I just don't think they'll risk that, but it will be interesting to dependent on champion. I'm all for equity in judging, but and I must say fairplay to the French Open this year because I've been doing some research, scheduling about discrepancy of matches men's and women's matches on the show courts. And every day, so far, it's been too into on chat. Trae long Cima mature and possibly even on court one as well. I agree. And I think that's really key point. Particularly goes tomorrow, because they surely must have been the only way they could have gotten a dull onto shed trade with probably been to sacrifice the women's much four it because in all honesty in Levitan champion adult is probably more shut trae worthy than Stevens. Yes, finally lost Jae, she takes on source Ribas to all sore amount. But they've decided it's more important to have these to have the equity. In judging. And I think that's fantastic. And I agree with them that you have to have Nishikori Songa on Chatree second round match. That is, let's just hope Shetrit doesn't fall apart like it did last time, which is, I think. Fortunately, every other side, but I think it was the pig Jin screen or something fell down onto the cramping foul. Yeah. And there's a picture in the MAC. So fingers crossed the new show trae holds firm. Federal takes someone good alter. All also great night. Let's wrap this road show up, we've been the tennis podcast put to you in association with telegraph, with our executive producer tennis balls dot com. With rare with the why are official lovely mascot, friends about cost, if you like it if you don't, then why have you made it this fall? But if you have friends and yeah, would you like to listening? We're enjoying doing daily podcasts and we'll be back tomorrow.

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Madrid - Here Comes Djokovic; Bertens Earns The Spotlight

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Madrid - Here Comes Djokovic; Bertens Earns The Spotlight

"Kyw am John McEnroe and board. This is Martina Navratilova amass Philander. I'm Sandra Rinker. Unlike you, I'm Andy Murray, and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Welcome to Catherine's back garden. That's where we're recording this week's tennis podcast. And we've just been the last three minutes revealing our football fandom woes because Matt's team has just lost nil for the weekends. He's looking for the next season Catherine's team just about this relegation by the skin of the tape and my team in the playoffs, and they ain't going up. So anyway, let's talk about tennis because that's what's better on. The tennis podcast is really I'm David law. Matt Roberts zehr caffeine with because here we got loads to talk about it was yesterday the Madrid men's singles final, and it was pretty routine in the end wasn't it as a final goes could compare think to to what we probably expected to be because I mean all the way through the tournament that being also drama or epics brilliant week. I think is one of the the best musters one thousand weeks the I can remember in recent years. I think the first time this year we've had four top ten plays in. In semi final. And so yeah, just sort of seemed the final would be some kind of epic. And it was a bit of a letdown because it was just a wreath Lewis mercilus performance from the world number one. I mean, it was it was it was a tactical masterclass, which are fun. Very interesting. Given his main coach Marion vita wasn't into lost week in Madrid real tactical masterclass from from Djokovic. And just I mean, Stefan pestle Steffano sits I I'm really trying to retrain myself because everyone's now making the point it's Stephanus. Someone has to reach the top ten before you really get in trouble pronouncing the name wrong. Great skis earnestly carrying ship of love. Toped ill. He'll have to just. Nine years, calling Thomas Burke, the wrong name. People still doing that. They what is the right? Birdie, buddy. Yeah. This rabbit hole is problematic because you always end up at shofar chevelle Dini, which is technically how you supposed to say. Lisa for his name. I think Thomas bird each tried to sell to the nation for about ten years. And nobody seemed to go with that. So in terms of the actual tennis, not just the names. Incidentally, they're still call him Djokovic. I mean. I didn't pronunciation thing. I just think that's an Americans thing. Jim Carey still speaking to me about that. Okay. Do them about it that six years ago anyway, so the the the week itself. I just find it so interesting we'll start with the men's tournament. Because that's where we begun the conversation. I just find it really interesting. The way that jock itch is just now surfacing after really four. Very very quiet months by his standard sub-standard by his standard. I mean, he doesn't move holidaying than he had winning over the past few months since since you're straightening into that forty four day break before working up in Indian Wells. And and then set off the Leasing cO sharper in wells that that he regretted these preparations will send me that he wouldn't prepare that way for for that period in the season again, and then proceeded going another day to the Dominican Republic. I think I mean, all sounds great. And before they stole, you know, in the prime video CD, we will making a big joke. Afoul chocolate. She's been taking too many holidays. And now he's sort of three holidays one grand slam amass to series, and those of those are great numbers living his best law. Perfect years worked too much when you do make. Yeah. I mean, I in a you predicted Jovic to click into give him when this week, David. But do not know. Oh, oh, this is wasn't allowed to set the agenda. That I said federal would win the tournament that as well. But I did say the jock which would win the French Open because and I kind of thought it would happen more in Rome. I thought Rome would be wary made his his move and started to look like himself. It's the peaking that I find so interesting. And and and that's what I want to talk to you about is is where do you think that he he he sunny trying in Indian Wells, Miami and all terms he's trying to win them. But he hasn't got the edge that he has when there's a grand slam on the horizon because I just think I don't think the Dow's lightness and the Dow is a different animal together. He will he only knows one way to put the foot down and keep going until you hit a brick wall Djokovic is has another another gear altogether, which I think he can only find when it matters more than anything else to him. And that can only be at the slam these days, I think in the past it used to be at master series. A look he can still win those things because he's that good. But I think he found it when he needed to win the Davis Cup six seven or eight years ago whenever it was the. Finals when he's needed to. But look what half money plays. Verve in the to that edge was missing from him. A knows very was brilliant. But that edge wasn't there? Click into gear Wimbledon last year hatching of managed. I always talk about simply because that's that match the Wani played against down in the final of the Australian Open the one he played of the last two days that is jockey vich is level than anybody else has that kind of tennis ability to to beat anybody doesn't matter there. Yeah. He's kind of like a distance runner. Just timing is charges need to the finish. He's been he's been comfortably watching race ahead of him since Australian Open and now he's thinking, right? I'm gonna get gonna get my legs moving, and I'm going to going to pass all of you. And it was the team for me where I kind of thought. Okay. This is Djokovic means it now he'd had that day off had Negus chill h when he gave him the walkover and quite often that can disrupt with them and. That was there was a time a couple of years ago, we had a quote, a final against Nishikori in had woken. They came out and played in the Dan, he was ready flat and lost. But against team used just honest right away. And all the signs Djokovic signs that he's playing his best the the defense. The defines the sort of just desire to make an extra bowl. It was all there and the focus in the tie-breaks beat team because team was playing really well I team had a great week. But. Djokovic doing things now that he wasn't doing it Indian Wells, Miami Monte Carlo, and you have to think that the reason he's doing it is because Gareth is in ten days or whatever. Go back to being team of a couple of years ago. Made him feel like he had to go for too much. Maybe we've been talking all week and the couple of weeks before tickly of anyone bustle about how team seems to believe that he's getting off now without having to read line is game. He feels like his his ninety percent is good enough. And he doesn't have to be at one hundred percent throughout much to beat the top guys will jock vich got him feeling. Put Leon will. They team did lead with a break in both sets. But he always felt like he was under extreme pressure throughout its that relentless wearing pressure that Jovic applies to Uni made dominate team lash out he made him feel and you had to go too much in and gave radical show selections that weren't really on. And that's what he that's what he does to people that best. And it's what he dates a little bit too. To Steph Stephanos sit surpass in the final, but more that was just merciless attrition in a he he knew that sit to pass had very little left in the legs. And he just maneuvered him side to side, and then teed off on the backhand down the line. And it was it was a most cloth. Stocks them playing their game. Does he he puts the bull so deep so regularly on to the sidelines? They don't really have a chance to do what they want to do. And I didn't they end up being really frustrated by and that's when the team thrashing comes out when he just thinks. Right. But I've got to tell and go for stuff that you might be out of put it off for a little while but chances of doing over a long period few and he's the best playing the game. He wants to play. He makes other debt him doesn't. They so you you really have to see Djokovic not teeing off and playing shots as not comfortable with because he's the one setting the tempo and Cree and sort of dictating great quote from sits matches at that. He said that just got the best backhand he's ever seen by human being. I wanna know. Move back ends. Have you not seen? Raising. Yeah. I mean surpassed a little bit like after the strenuous defeat in adult, which of course, he avenged in the Madrid semi finals. I'm sure we'll stoke about but he Litz after the Jovic finally just as he did of that in the dorm completely show. And I love he goes into these much is expecting himself to win totally expecting to win is all my sort of. Assuming that who went and yet without seeming arrogant. I don't know. I know that's not scientific, and I'm sure some people define American. I personally I find him charmingly in doing. He's just so earnest. Everything he does. And it's it's completely unfiltered using if two heats what anybody thinks of him and how how how can you not like that? But yeah, I mean he was crushed. He was he was crushed. I think it was that same feeling of all McGuinness. I wasn't even in the match. I wasn't. I didn't even have a chance today. I think if he'd he'd actually been less heartbroken had it been in no biting seven six third loss. The he just looks like he been steamrolling and it hadn't even occurred to him that he might lose in straight sets. His game diffused would not have occurred to him. And I mean, the all the evidence for him would have been the on brightness. And I probably will win because he'd beaten him before. And it was Toronto last year. Wasn't it again? That's not that's not Giacobbe yet. And the other elements are that he'd had a really good week. He'd come off winning the tightness AL, and then he come in he'd beaten Vida's go who's a good player on clay in front of his own fans. Then he goes and beaten vary in just one of the she's the makes you so happy that you love sport. I had a lot of people talking about the the football this week. And and talking about those incredible comebacks building. Well, let's talk about seems other than as like good teams. Poland Spurs knows incredible rescued victories from the jaws debate. I mean, I could go through the details that and and we. Yeah. Well, you went right. Hugh, bolan reading actually wasn't born in my well, that's who your heart is town or even worse healing. My point is that I've had so many people say imagine if you didn't like football after the week that football fans of just to enjoy an all year, and while we were watching sits surpass against VERA. And watching these two young players twenty one and twenty just go in it and also poor in the heart at the same time because we saw some some of the things that makes very very watchable the way he was digging into himself and prepared to have a little bit of a head to head would sit surpass and have a complain. And you know. And it was just glorious. It was a joy to behold, I enjoyed his client afterwards saying, you know, I got better last week than I did this week. And then I got better in the first round second round by the time. It's friendship, and I'll be perfect. Between Jovic this week of the Djokovic put the thrust is on when they several stages further. But I really think that was a corner turned in crucially the fire in the belly was back for joke. Mean it was by Chuck rich back from saviour of this week. It's been missing we took a couple of weeks ago. Didn't we touched upon wooded told the German press about the reasons why it might have been missing all of which sound entirely understandable. But. Yeah. The fire in the belly was there. He's game. Did just. It was about the game. The game came up short. I just wonder if he needs to adults. I detail something is he how much is it about this the struggles, and sort of seeming that once he puts those to one side, he he will return to sort of the expectation that he will win grand slams moma's to serious. But who sit Sebastian a better player that was how I came out of that much feeling. Yeah. Got a lot more options. I think in more ways to beat you very of if he's if he's really not firing from the back of the court. He gets a bit defensive and he stands like five or six seven feet behind the baseline. You just think he's just kind of baseline. We'll see doing is win these points. But I do wonder whether I mean, nobody is picking to win the French Open. And I think maybe the Australian Open most people were picking Djokovic is very was kind of next given what he'd done in in London. I do wonder whether for the east into the front shape and mix by saying that he's. Same knicks. Because of course is in. He's going to win it by saying that he's not in the mix. I'm tentatively predicting that he might be in the mix. The mix of way of getting out of putting his head on the block. I don't think he's in the mix. But I wonder I wonder whether. The lack of expectation for once at a slam might help him all whether it's just gonna be another really feel like the jury is gonna be. A big one because he's going to he's going to foresee, and he's gonna be susceptible as another personal crutches. Countries on crutches. Solidarity of I just felt this overwhelming night to go over and hug her. She's happy for six weeks. That's the snow's on the U allowed today. He's going to be susceptible thirty rounds. I think is. If he wins the Cup to avoid Garin. He's more Garin O's, very. What is the makes? Jock. Whatever you wanted to. He's full. Oh like this. Sipping. Vague. Okay. He's he's falls behind adul- Jovic fed team team will surround me it just rolled off the tongue adult Jovic federal instantly regretted. He's fooled ahead of federal. Yeah. I think so sit surpassed something that struck me talking federal, I know it's very easy to make comparisons full one thing that does strike me is is their respective bills. Now annot sits about is much taller than federa. The win federal was coming through twenty years ago. I always remember looking at his forearms and thinking how how weak he looked you know, he's so skinny and I used to think how is this. Yeah. How is this frame to on that suit of level? And remember speaking to pass told the trainer, and he said thing is his grip. We do grip tests with a machine that show that he has the strongest grip on the circuit. And this is when he was a teenager. And I I find that really interesting. And watching sit surpassed the way I mean, his back end. It's these single-handed their thing beauty, aren't they? If they're really struck well often, they can be Radic never feel like his is going to be a Radic. It always feels like he's in total control of it. It feels like it. He it can absorb the power of his opponents me he'd got the sledgehammer two hundred coming in from various, and he was handling any. He also has control. He has the most beautiful flight on the back end the way it loops. It's got power for the loops and always just dies within. A couple of eight of the baseline. So he feels like he's got margin. Power control spin, everything usually adult smells blood when he sees a single-handed backhanders. Does. And even more extreme examples is to be able to take on the Dow who's gonna zone shot a guy who's just. Owned him previously. And it was it was really interesting to watch doubt had just demolished Brinker who most people would say probably has the best one handed backhand. And he just broke it down by warring could all of Reverend could and not just back can but you'll never you're right. You never you. Never. I never sits at passing thing. Always gonna miss about Ken in the way that even with federal sometimes we'll almost expecting the shank, but you never expect. That would sit surpasses he's so solid from the baseline and yet he can do all the other fancy stuff as well. He's got the movement that someone like fervor dozen Tamil. I mean, he's not a bad move sits pass. It looks like an Olympic athlete despite being fa six foot four. I mean, I think sort of me into relative to heighten he's in the top percentile. I think I mean, I know you've got I mean there guys a bit. I mean, I think is very actually six six which. Generally speaking considered a bit t- tool fit. But I think he's been the one of the presenters sits passer physics forty glides around the court, and and particularly his loaned to. Movement to the net. He's lightning fast and joy to say up. There brings us onto his doubles the fact that here he was erased, the semi finals in the doubles. I kind of when you told me that he was a few weeks back that he'd given that speech would Wesley cool Hoffman. And he was planning to pay all these masters one thousand doubles events. Honestly. I'd still. Yeah. Right. And here he was going out onto the court. What time did he finish on semi finals night in the quarter-finals yet twelve fifty seven AM? So so he's finished nearly one in the morning and he played pretty marathon. Singles. And then he's out. Ten five in the champ. Stop. He wanted to win that doubles desperately. I mean, yes, beaten it on on the same day that he finished his doubles. But sort of twenty three hours later, I mean by my experience he was just settling into the rhythm of Madrid. Really? I mean, no one people doing things that you wouldn't know me doing one o'clock in the morning and three fifty seven eight am after I would have been second by second round victory of Philip kosher eyebrow thing three. Years ago. Everybody loves say, everyone is delighted about it. So then the same day if it's the comes anyplace Rafael and the Dow and beats him, and it seems he's going to be physically spend enough left in the tank particularly against dull somebody he's lost to all three previous occasions. They've played never want to set any manage to break his serve ones. Whereas I think sits at his broken fourteen times in that previous meetings. And you know, we all remember I think we're all three of certainly matinee were would both in the room for that sits pass press conference of to the Australian Open semifinal where he was added total loss just that the figure of sit surpass sat this search ING for. For food words to try and describe how he was feeling is was really affecting. And he just I felt like he physically couldn't go through that. Again, he emotionally couldn't go three driving force leasing Donnelly. Again, I certainly think he could have gone through feeding his hopeless against dollars e hat on the previous re-timing. He he had to get a bit closer getting closer. Impressions are coming out. The the doubles elements generally we've suddenly saying absolute raft of players both Madrid. And in Rome playing doubles. It does feel like there is a shift to. Whether that statistically, we. Sounds miss with with this in the in the providence day today. And she said that she made the point that tennis plays like sheep, and they tend to just copy what the top guys doing in particular for the last ten to fifteen years Roger Federer who hasn't played a whole lot of doubles as an Olympic doubles champion Stanford Rinker in. I'm sure he could be will doubles number one. If he fancied it, but basically doesn't play doubles. And so pretty difficult to think, you know, I can do something that that we're federal cone. But but now. Changes coming back into fashion, isn't it? Shop valve is playing. He's been playing alongside humble pawn in the teaming up with with double specialists, and I think that's working because some of them have needed singles ranking to to help them gain entry on combined kingdom knee to to gain entry into certain into the most vents, which can be incredibly competitive. The ones with the smaller draws Michelle valves been doing. It's very, of course, playing with his brother that sort of a natural in Dominic team reach their final image with Diego Schwartzman there. One of my new fading. I do wonder how sustainable it is though. Because I mean, he's great. I love seeing them play doubles. But do we not think that? The amount of tennis sits pass played this week in the end had a detriment. Detrimental effect on him in the final. He was running on fumes in the final. But I mean, yucca Vick said it himself is basically sense that he was tired take his legs away. I think that playing as much tennis is he's been playing in his shed, you can we count. I think if he plays fewer events, I think which is more important play less doubles or fewer event. Well, he says that the doubles is helping sing grandma David with his in terms of his certainly net game. He says max is actually improving the technique on the volley just having the confidence to come to the net, which when you accompanied him to the net that almost improve your groundstrokes as well because you're hitting them with good Ford momentum. I think it's going to be good for Dominic teams all because probably the one area that he is liking bit is is feel. So I I think that'd be. That'd be good. I'm I think it's brilliant. I think if you can manage your shed, you'll there is a way to incorporate a decent amount of doubles. And and he couldn't limited slams could he and I don't think he will. I think he could try, but he said he's not doing this. You only play mixed with Sakari in essence you a question. Was it not a factor in that final? I think it might have been. But I also think it might end up giving him a better chance when he's not playing doubles that slams to win them because of all the additional skills that he will have additives game on kind of and the fact that he he's he's almost playing much tennis in a week in a mass the series if he goes deep in both events than you have to to win a slam with five cents and everything. He's he's building fitness as well. I think net wise, it's overall really good. I think possibly every now, and then it will lead him leasing matches that if he had slightly fresher legs or bit moose leap. He would have won and pulse ably. I think even if he did have more than the legs he would have beaten of it yesterday. But it would have been it would have more of a contest grow net wise overall. He is a better player for the doubles that he plays the good. Yeah. But the thing is I mean, I I count stress how amazing performance against the Dow was from sits at pass. Honestly, I think that was I think that was better than his performance to be federally. Melvin I mean. Given the background of the fact that he was so confused and show Schultz and just dazed about how even to play I'm beat him. And he's done it on clay. I mean extraordinary performance surpass and not just the tennis as you said the movement. I didn't think he could move like that on the clay code as well and doubt. Now, the Dow's all right in the. No worries about the Dell. Why think the Dow's still has a few worries about an adult? So like a wind his name. But he you know, he's a bit of a glasses off. Mt. Bloke in the press conferences, isn't he thought it was interesting off to the past where he said this was about my level tonight. Like, he said if I was paying my best I would've won that which is kind of an. Unlikely. Kind of agreed with him. He said he actually found easy to play. Alan clay, this time he said, the it was in the bowl didn't quite feel the same as it folks in the that Australian Open semi final. Yeah. Exactly. But you had a bit. We'll talk, of course, Klay does give you equally. You wouldn't be failing that about an adult his very best. So. I don't I'm still not quite hitting the panic button. Because there were the reasons to be cheerful fervent adult funds, not least that rink performance. Which was I mean, it wasn't a much. No. Confused by this week because after the ring conformance, I thought have I even allowed it to end to my mind, the franchise in favor, of course, as he can play like this on client no-one's him. And anyway, lost his next level. And then you're richer on the Toyota. Okay. Maybe he's the Frank show from favor, but. D confused rhymes big. Isn't it rhymes big finito? Dow the one year he Pedro girls without winning any tournament in the European psycho swing with twenty fifteen and he that was. Who? Yeah. Signed trusting Rome is coming folks and Raja header is going to be. He it starts today as we speak perky Instagram is weighed in on social media to announce his going against his using social media platforms. Strategy. Maybe maybe maybe that was somebody knocking on his door with a. Are you playing Rome? Well, just wanted to let you know. So anyway, yeah. Roach veterans in rhyme. He he looked pretty good didn't AMI beating dominate team. And then it turned around. I mean team showed again that he doesn't panic. Most of the time. Jerko vis. He was I think that does show just why when they're all at the best you're which is the best really because he he can take it out of the hands and he stops them. Play stops them being selves neutralize earth. Sexy nickname. If it gets he's three holidays grandsons. And a is in the space of four months, then good luck to neutralize law. That's me next week taken four holidays in your life. These cool to see federal again, I I thought that we would see him playing on clay again for kind of farewell tour, but he's pretty serious about this. I mean, he was paved to lose the team beautiful can have I actually think he is playing bit on clay right now. Because it's kind of a farewell tool, really? That's not to say, I think he won't plan of the air. I you think this could be his last class. He ain't playing next year. I didn't think the Olympics on. I think there's no chance he plays Klay next year because is all about winning Olympic singles gold. He's changed. His. By all accounts. That's that's what drove the the eunuch late day on the the Olympics in in Tokyo. I think he's feeling good. And he saw you know, really wanna play Rome. I miss I wanna play an-and apply. But the thing is Madrid is the might not have any more chances. I really did Madrid is the clay van with with the lease similarity to wrote on garrels. So it's almost different where it is hard to all these conclusions. And I don't think federal compla- as he did in the against team. I don't think can pay that in Rome and Roland Garros where it summit slower he turned in. Much volley possibly even overplayed it a little against team because he he sing it. Come. I think he broke it a couple of crucial points where team picked him off on the return made federal stranded up in up at the net, which he don't often see it will be interesting to see how he how he tackles very, well, we'll tell you all about that in next week's tennis podcast. Sorry. The women's draw KiKi buttons the champion. I love that. Don't you the champion? But how drooping a set resort? I first woman ever to win Madrid without voting ascent. I missed that stat. And she. It's just a generic David has she will. I think somebody heard me signing federal last year. I'm going to be taken away. Right. And she four grand slam champions. Yeah. Real who should be Ostapenko number when she went to grand slam two years ago, isn't it? Yeah. Sloan Stevens, Patrick bits of Manhattan. And I think those well some run from kinky batons who I don't know. I don't know person. It wasn't just delighted I mean, even some Hallett McLean. She I five on the way to pick it up. Yeah. It's really nice. Isn't it? I kept on. I was just kind of seeming Hollywood come back in second set. And at least take it to decide when of course, if it had been how it would have been the favorite. I saw a tweet from Chris Clarry new times saying that few years ago gave was chatting to Dutch journalist, and yours them with a the Netherlands had any tennis prospects. And they said oh will on the women's saw this. There's this one go, but I'm not sure she's got the head for it. Which I found really interesting because that's a biggest asset her head. I mean, let's be honest hurt her technique her her short making is not. It's it's unorthodox. Isn't it? It's not you know, we the prepping for men's matches on Saturday watching that women's final in. They was all sorts of analysis of KiKi button service motion going on in its you'd never teach it it's not it's not that pretty certainly her short production mean boys effective. But it she's a monk Somoza is Greg. We say an absolute maximizes. She is hard working. She is she's rinsing her talent. And that's that's mental. That's mental talent. And so I'm surprised a no she's emotional on the court. But that's not a weakness. It's a strength. Yeah. But I think all that is quite new as well. I was listening to the w Teigen side, Picasso KiKi buttons and traitor. Let's just getting inside and breaks his cheated on us as. She's just the. Kony does a soup. It is a good. Cleaning only info, so we can give it to you and KiKi. He buttons says she used to think of good season was like having a good performance in a slam. That was kind of that was kind of you know, she done what she said out to do for that season. But now she's much more ambitious. That's the difference to me is I think whereas you said head I think the biggest thing holding back was her own sense of self worth. I quit tennis too. I think she righted itself, particularly highly. I don't think she back to self to be a champion. Really? I think she thought she's a good player. But I think she held herself back. And it's when you say rinsed the talents out of salve. I I mean, I oversee she is doing that. But in order to do that she's had to completely lay a new framework ambition, an expectation for self. I don't know how big a factor. Raymond Slatter would be in that coach. I mean, I know him as a person I think he's just too. Puff fits as a lovely. And he I could imagine him just being explained to her you, you don't believe in yourself enough, and you need to because he knows that he had a limit as a tennis player when he was on the tour, and he I would suspect TB out to give her a keen sense of what she's capable of. And Mike goodness. She's right up that I mean, she's a proper clay-court plans. She she definitely. To goodness. May I wasn't immediately. Kiki in t-, giggle. Giggle to it. It doesn't even take complete with with the suggestion versa. Just to KiKi. Dee. Don't break. My home. The how many set about? Days do. No, she's beauty ration- than my generation. Forgive him for not knowing she is so right, David. He's not just about. Taste is not is not to. Clearly is. That like Tiki closet KiKi. Dee. Well, I mean, if we're in the exchange, we could do a little stroll pollen say how many people have heard of KiKi buttons run around the corner. Tennessee, Paul the world. I don't think I mean, I put this on Twitter. I think if you don't really interested in tennis. I think is zero chums that you've heard of KiKi Burton. Yeah. They'll be casual tennis fans that have not heard KiKi Burton. And I honestly think she's. Yeah. I mean like I have said to immediately regretted that. But I think shy very own. She's revised number b. I mean have revised number, but. Both gave me when I saw two. I mean, you better start working at you mix parameter. Who would you above KiKi Burton Samana? How would still? Sloan stevens. I mean buttons brushed signs days. Stevens is on a game. I would I would put Stevens the French Open ruined what she was last year show. Yeah. Okay. So three is. Bishop madrid? I mean, I've just said that we come to conclusions here in betrayal. But. She's in the mix. So yeah. And actually still come back to that. The fact that Madrid doesn't feel like the barometer that you can really trust maybe lend up being that. But it's so different. It couldn't be more different as a clay-court event. Really at out chewed on set of feeling of an indoor arena to the French Open. It's so different. And just a shoutout to keep it for hitting the best worst shot of all time. Did you see it in the final where she had a smash on top of the net? And she she hit so badly that it actually hit the back of the cold, and therefore KiKi one the point. Oh, no. Get out the wave it. But it hit a full off. The point to keep it was. Five times on the way to. She just completely and it went flew long. Love to someone on Twitter. Was you know, when you when you're learning rules is an empire that is a rule that, you know, about but never to actually implement remind me you've probably mentioned the gamma fees shops of the might be better than the public Cuevas the live commentated from each IPE last week, David. I haven't heard about it, but I can be described etc. He. The ball goes over his head. And he leaps in the night takes both feet off the ground facing the wrong way and smacks it back sort of with his wrist just snapped his wrist back and fires it down the line for winter. It was like the public waivers one except his feet went on the ground. We stop the podcast. Okay. I'll look at it. After the any other takeaways from the women's tournaments in Madrid. Specifically did anybody catch your eye, Hugh, maybe one expecting to see do big things the state of the season or did anybody under perform? But in the bench has kind of impressed me all say's. And but I didn't have to take the high expectations for clay, and she'll didn't either, but she found a level against Hal, which was extraordinarily how it was just playing sexual high level. And I thought I mean, that's a level that you might be able to touch for a few games for someone else. But. Thanks for a whole sentence that second set of how that also beaten Asanka seven five in the third. Nice. It'll rival rebates shake she's winning. But still I think reasonably positive for soccer. Result. You'll missing. Yeah. There was there was a result. But caught my eye. Regular followers of the tennis podcast will know that this is the year that we got introduced to a plan called Victoria, Kaz MOVA at the start of the year when Matt decided to put her in the quarter-finals of the Australian Open in his predictions that didn't quite material left-handed on revenue it. Yup. Right. Definitely. In the flesh for the first time this week. She did it again to the deputy inside. I couldn't anyone great interview on the website. She with the with the next big thing, Victoria could move. And I mean, Matt Scott about five copies of it with him. But yeah, she has made some strides. However, there was one particular moment that slightly under at this week. There was a blip. I mean, you need you need twelve games to win a tennis match minimum because my one twelve points. Six. Didn't win any games. No games building. He's review ever lost six love six. Yes. Several times yet. It didn't build any character to be honest made me want to quit. I lost. Have you ever been triple bagel triple bagel ones by call us? Carrie donor to love sets, you agreed to order said. Yes, you make three right? Yeah. All the names. Days. It was literally last on. It was in my orca two thousand we were playing inside the bullring state, right? Physical prime then whole to right? I'm ben. I mean, it was one of those. It's one of those courts every time you hit the ball, it sort of reverberate, surround the arena, incredible acoustics. So even when you hit a shot hits the back fence. It sounds amazing. Right. That happened quite a few times. But it was his it was Klay. So I'm quite sure that if I got him onto the artificial grass of the head. Myself in sully hillside. Take quite a big swings. Surface. How cool. Oh, definitely. Right. Say say come come late, July. Is happening because MOVA rising really annoying thing about call us bananas is the number of times I called his shots out. And he challenged them from the foreign because he's an fi and he everyone of them rights. Two thousand. Genuinely was because I've holiday played any clay court tennis realize I cannot tell whether the ball is in around when land I couldn't tell and he would come be convinced. It's out it come. It come on. What's his game style? He's baseliner does move a lot. But my God he made me move. And all that move, particularly well, as you know. My doubles results from Madrid. We had a title four. Into cow over team and Schwartzman in the men's doubles final in the women's got to thank his partner in the speech. Catching surpassed say cost a bit of shade on team in Schwartzman. He sort of said what an still be sort of said Dominic Diego. I know this is just a bit of fun fee playing doubles. If you if you played a bit more of it, you could be really good team. And the women's doubles final was won by. Oh, what a partnership this is away and bubble. Restricts of. Yeah. Seen that six three six one ever Dubrovsky and Zouk six six one. So they're the champions and strips of I did say that it'll message on Twitter's said of thanking the fans that they've won they sort of were hiding behind flowers, and then they sort of revealed very happy faces. I get the feeling of that SU way. The match is broadcast live on the. And you know, live scoring and everything goes into surprise. Shea still without sponsorship, by the way, say getting their folks. And could we sponsor, well, you know, get you coins? Right. Wouldn't that be interesting? I wonder whether she can accept off stuff. Well, let's find out. But discussable that is. Right. Okay. So we get to play one friendship in much. Shea is what we wants to patch even full outfit who's going to. Okay. Punches to draw them. Okay. Right. Come up with a better proposal. David Liu drawer. This guy. Well, is it? But anyway, this has been the podcast is. Well. Oh, yeah. Last week made everybody cry. Length. Bye. Miss the winning goal in the Spurs game. I missed the moment of drama in Spurs. But it was very peaceful in poignant, and he was presented with a very big photo of himself by LA has bad chest. Yes. I mean that did happen. So what a career how will you remember? Oh, a moment or a unaware what sticks out. Will you may quit to do roofing needed? Knee construction, his old coach she's to to lock him in a cupboard ninety him Bredon milk. And he thought it was too much like hard works. It went to work on a construction site turn up that was quite hard work and went back to the cupboard. I I I looked at the top ten in two thousand three the end of two thousand doesn't he spent literally. The average height into three which is kind of phrase first season tool. Never tight. Well, five of the top Tam run to six foot. And now only one of the top ten is under six foot Kanishka Corey and six top eleven are six foot four above daily. But for has actually said himself he thinks that people his high under six foot will become extinct men's tennis extinct, so strong. You know that shift? He's lived through that shift. You know, the numbers bad at out. But what what will never become extinct is the attitude of avid for the way that he down Evans is it his approach Dunston just finding qualified for road. I'll tell you the one of the things that sticks out for me. Just what Leon Smith once said to me said this is the bloke. I wanna bring our juniors to watch above all of us in terms of attitude and just had a carry yourselves. He's gotten a chip on shoulder all feeling of being done by about the generation each had competed. And he said they made me better better player. I wouldn't have achieved. What I did. She had I not been in this era. One of my memories of just how humbly could've. The ATP tour did some interviews with the players the world's will find. I think maybe his first year in London or second year. And they said told applies who you think's going to win this tournament and Thomas Bodorik says I think I'm gonna win Djokovic says, I think I'm going to win defray says nodal Federer. Roddy? I that's a great career. And we will wish him the very best in retirements. She's fooling doing away with crutches this week big week, folks. Here tennis podcast brought you in association with Tanna graphics. Could you produced by tennis bowls dot com, and our mascot Rio with a why we will be back with another one of these shows after I'm which is just ongoing we speak. So we'll be back after that next week. Thanks for listening. Let's.

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